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TRP has hyperbole and shit posts. It also has a handful of genuine bigots who can't tell the difference. But that fosters uncensored discussion, and you get a lot more stark truth out of that environment, than one that's constantly reserved and repressed by political correctness. (I.e. Pandering to never offend women) TRP has a lot of shit. But it's gold-to-shit ratio is drastically much better than BP dating advise could ever hope to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/15 02:27 PM
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LTR, probably. Marriage, hell no. But most of RP would suggest avoiding marriage all together. (Mostly because of the chances of getting a hot but chaste girl is pretty difficult) Especially decades down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/15 02:18 PM
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I'd say most people are the first, but veer into the second without thinking too much about it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 07:15 PM
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Make the most out of what you got.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 05:03 PM
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I'd disagree. TRP promotes brutal honesty, with yourself. Men dating on the other hand, is faking that you have superior genetics. It's all about showing off the results of your hard work, while making it look effortless. Women dating, is faking that they have superior fertility. (I.e. Big boobs/butt, thin otherwise, good skin, young-ness, redder lips) Everyone lies to get what they want in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 05:01 PM
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I find that these types still hide their special treatment demands, unless the situation calls for it. And by framing the debate about the presence, or lack of special treatment, it separates them from the majority of "Feminists" that believe it is synonymous with egalitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:53 PM
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Which is really confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 04:48 PM
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Even if it was in the USA it wouldn't be illegal. So it's kind of a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 12:32 AM
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Or to rephrase, "Consensual Drunk Sex = Rape", is not the Law. Nor should it be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 12:22 AM
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Unless she was so inebriated to the point that she wasn't even aware she was having sex, it's "legally" not considered rape. Only in Title IX kangaroo courts in select college campuses does "She was drunk, so she is no longer considered an adult". That said, Roosh isn't great. But what you're describing isn't legally considered rape. And if it was, we'd have probably 1 in every 2 women being "raped" in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 12:07 AM
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The first part sounds like the goal of both. The latter two are basically the same as what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 11:50 PM
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Exactly. So rather than abolish that concept in their mind. Reinforce by reframing it as "Good" and "Bad" Feminism. That way you prevent differentiating yourself from the person you are talking to. You two agree, you're the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:49 PM
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Not even hardened. A lot of people think Egalitarianism and Feminism are synonymous. So the idea that you would identify as "Not a Feminist" is bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:29 PM
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True. But the difference is you can't really use that phrasing with someone who views MRA as a dirty or laughable phrase/concept. Much more effective to subtly frame it as agreeable and disagreeable Feminism. Especially considering if you're talking to a self proclaimed MRA/Egalitarian, they aren't the one's that are gonna be giving you a hard time. Especially when it comes to "real world" face to face communication. Rather than our secret identities on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:25 PM
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I have no doubt that that would actually change. Women will get special treatment regardless. But in terms of defending your own ideals, it allows you a way to say you disagree with women deserving blatent special treatment, because they are supposed to be so oppressed that they need it, to achieve the goal of "Equality".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:17 PM
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More of a mental precision, that's less ham-handed than 2nd and 3rd wave Feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:11 PM
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The trick about that though is those phrases are kinda nebulous to define. Are we talking equal goals, or equal methods. If you have to define yourself, it kinda defeats the purpose of having a snappy label. And "Equal Treatment Feminist" is a phrase that Feminists can own.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 09:09 PM
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If it were due to a lack of effort, I'd agree. But the problem is men given a shitty dating strategy more suitable for women, only to find out women aren't that attracted to feminine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 11:30 PM
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Nice guys use female dating strategy. Surprise, it doesn't work for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 11:26 PM
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Generally, women connect by shared words, men connect by shared activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 10:58 PM
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Says the person who refuses to engage the arguments given because they don't like the person saying them. So basically, me calling you out for ad hominem, is somehow ad hominem. But whatever, it's your temper tantrum. Enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 09:07 PM
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Your point being that you shut your brain down because you don't like that website? Um okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 08:59 PM
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For instance, the link you sent doesn't reference what studies it's pulling it's numbers from.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 08:56 PM
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I care about flawed methodology. And it's pretty clear that if you're removing data points from large states, that's gonna make the numbers look better than they are. Furthermore, he fully references underlying studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 08:54 PM
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That implies that it's entirely a social construct, with zero impact from biology. That the only reason women are attracted to "masculine" traits is because society told them to do so.
/r/MensRights25/08/15 08:50 PM
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That'd be TRP.
/r/MensRights25/08/15 08:41 PM
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Do you know what the current divorce rate is for you country? 50% Granted, you can make it look lower if you remove new data points from large population states, like that NYT article did. https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/ny-times-happy-talk-about-divorce/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 08:19 PM
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So having people stay together because of economic reasons and contracts is bad huh? So what's your stance on marriage? 50% break up. Of the remaining 25% are unhappy. At the end of the day, it's an economic legal contract, as far as the Courts are concerned. Isn't the whole "Life partner" concept a bit antiquated?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 08:09 PM
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Well, we do know that if the woman has a better salary than the man, that's an unstable relationship, statistically. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/business/breadwinner-wives-and-nervous-husbands.html?_r=1&referrer= And assuming someone is always going to have advantage, wouldn't that imply relationships are more stable where the guy has money, and the girl has sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:47 PM
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Girls fucking a friend's Ex is kinda dicey territory to start with. So no big loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:04 PM
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http://www.timeout.com/newyork/music/10-great-feminist-anthems
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:29 PM
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http://www.metrolyrics.com/when-a-man-loves-a-woman-lyrics-percy-sledge.html
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:24 PM
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http://www.timeout.com/newyork/music/10-great-feminist-anthems
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:18 PM
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Yup. Women aren't held accountable. Men aren't given sympathy. Simply making people aware of these facts aren't going to change the illogical rational behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:12 PM
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Love? Maybe. A woman who is more committed to your happiness, than her own. That's relatively easy to see. But it's somehow evil apparently if men use the same strategy. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3hqgl2/thought_trp_is_essentially_hypergamy_and_orbiters/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:09 PM
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Well, assuming they can get it to be legal, in at least one Westernized English speaking country. I'm assuming global tourism for male birth control will be the first starting point, to inevitably having it legal in USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:04 PM
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NOW actively opposes custody and alimony reform that would be more egalitarian.... http://www.nownys.org/archives/leg_memos/oppose_a00330.html http://www.nownj.org/news-x/press-releases/171-alimony-reform.html https://m.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2dntof/it_turns_out_now_actively_opposed_alimony_reform/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 05:52 PM
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Bit of column A, and a bit of column B
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 04:56 PM
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Still falls back onto the Father enforcing his "responsible" morals. That said, I think it's more largely to do with Men viewing the idea of subduing and controlling their emotions as "responsible". Which to an extent may be due to a difference in brain structure: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2518327/Mens-womens-brains-truth-As-research-proves-sexes-brains-ARE-wired-differently-womens-cleverer-ounce-ounce--men-read-female-feelings.html
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 10:03 PM
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Not really, I'd still say those societies were treating women like they couldn't be trusted/responsible to make "good" sexual partner decisions, and made those choices for her through arranged marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 09:50 PM
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I'd disagree. Women get substantially weaker civil and criminal penalties for committing the same crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 09:44 PM
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Campus tribunals are expected to use the “preponderance of evidence” standard, the lowest possible burden of proof, normally reserved for civil matters involving money or property. In other words, a student would have to be shown “more likely than not” to have committed the crime in order to be found guilty. The edict also all but eradicates due process. Hearsay counts as evidence. Cross-examination of the accuser is barred, for fear of traumatizing him or her further. While in some schools a la…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 09:02 PM
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It's not a race thing, it's a culture thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 08:31 PM
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.... You really don't give two shits about due process rights do you .... Ultimately this goes back to the original point. Feminists would rather increase the amount of collateral damage to innocent men, if it would make women more comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 08:23 PM
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Federal Justice system working, sure. Yes means Yes Title IX kangaroo college court working? No, if anything it's showing just how fucked up it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 07:47 PM
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You call it hyperbole. I call it current law. http://www.prlog.org/12482984-yes-means-yes-date-rape-consent-rule-unconstitutional-judge.html
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 07:36 PM
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How can I make this clear; if you are worried that someone will accuse you of rape then don't have sex with them. It is really simple and has worked for me my entire life! Maybe the trick here isn't being outraged that colleges are doing more to prevent rape and punish rapist but rather that men think it is ok to rape women and any attempt to address that issue is met with hyperbolic outrage. You know what. Fuck you. Your solution is basically saying that if someone is accused of murder, and can…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 07:12 PM
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The duluth model literally has patriarchy theory baked right into it, as its main determining factor. It's not an issue, it's practically the whole driving force behind the model. How can I make this clear. In a he-said-she-said circumstance for a serious crime, where obviously one side is lying. Lowering the standard of evidence from 95% to 50.1% is absolutely inappropriate. It's essentially a hairs breath from "guilty until proven innocent", which to me is fundamentally unAmerican, and at leas…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 06:49 PM
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You seem to be doubling down on the "What a movement says it is, is more important than what it actually does" http://www.nownys.org/archives/leg_memos/oppose_a00330.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model#Criticism http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2014/10/yes-means-yes-and-preponderance-of.html?m=1
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 06:24 PM
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Well, if one was so inclined to do lots of casual sex, it's suggested to find discrete ways to do audio recordings of your sexual encounters. Especially in college. Because in a legal environment where regretted consensual sex = rape charge, it can't hurt to be safe. Ditto for any potential crazies who will try to frame for domestic violence. Start filming that shit asap. Often this is the only thing that saves guys from false charges. Another aspect, Fat Acceptance, is essentially women saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 06:15 PM
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The other angle, your response, is to not take the message personally. If a girl is saying bizarre irrational things because their emotions got the better of them. Don't take it personally. It's not even about you. It's about what's going on in her head. And if it's not serious, then don't lend credence to it, by acting like it is. It's just an emotional outburst.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 06:05 PM
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I'd say "Don't take what women say at face value" Or "Don't take women literally" http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:54 PM
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Well, Feminism basically complains about Female victims, and Male perpetrators. When levels are nearly the same between genders for Domestic Violence Salary Cheating Rape However Feminist policy has real negative affects on men Duluth model with domestic violence Lowest standard of evidence (Preponderance of Evidence) in college sexual assault cases, with little to no defending evidence, and no lawyers Fighting against equal custody, alimony, child support reform Declaring there's a massive pay …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:42 PM
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There's a difference between equal opportunity, and enforcing equal outcomes regardless of inputs. The latter is anti-meritocratic
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 04:18 PM
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Feminism addressing gender issues will help men. Scapegoating men isn't going to help men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 04:07 PM
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Actually, there is a legitimate biological difference between girls and boys in throwing power. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/09/13/you_throw_like_a_girl_boys_throw_better_than_girls_it_s_true_.html
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 09:01 AM
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Blaming men more often for imagined harms isn't going to benefit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 08:58 AM
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Because there are no unequal laws against women besides the whole abortion thing. Furthermore, it's basically a big justification for "We need to treat women better than men, in these specific circumstances, because of bad math in sloppy studies." Really, it boggles the mind to have a Feminist be against Anti-Vaxers, because of how sloppy their studies are. When their own studies are equally sloppy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 08:56 AM
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No, they don't. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3hrhct/the_real_problem_with_yes_means_yes_laws_is_that/cu9wafl
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 05:14 AM
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Even then, it probably wasn't designed for being a principle, it was probably specific to whatever circumstance they were commenting on. Also it could just be a personal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 05:11 AM
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Even then, it probably wasn't designed for being a principle, it was probably specific to whatever circumstance they were commenting on. Also it could just be a personal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 05:11 AM
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Yup. But that doesn't mean things can't be awesome for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 03:19 AM
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Needy men, usually can only attract women who are more needy than they are. That said, this is true of all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 02:46 AM
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Even if they did show their hand, how would you know that they are being accurate with full disclosure when they did show their hand?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 01:33 AM
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So isn't it more fair when both genders are playing with their cards down?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 12:42 AM
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I'll just toss in the "otter-mode" is an interesting one. Getting much further than that without popping steroids is pretty damned difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 12:25 AM
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Add in, furious doggystyle and walking away after you're done. Maybe a bit of waking her up in the middle of the night, fucking like crazy, then going back to bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 12:22 AM
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Both.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 11:30 PM
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Taken at face value? No. A lot of these guys like their sarcasm, hyperbole, and dark humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 11:23 PM
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Acting like she's replaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 11:22 PM
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So unless you're playing the dating game with all your cards face up, it's not fair? Can we expect women to do the same? If not, how is that fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 11:17 PM
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Are women's brains fundamentally different from men's? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2518327/Mens-womens-brains-truth-As-research-proves-sexes-brains-ARE-wired-differently-womens-cleverer-ounce-ounce--men-read-female-feelings.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 10:50 PM
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I've covered this 3 times with you so far. Restricting access to sex, and legal crucifixion if you cheat. And all the nasty financial stuff with divorce. Even if we're talking unmarried, she's got more backup prospects that you, and there are guys actively pursuing her even if she's hitched to you. At a minimum that's a much weaker time/energy/money penalty. Women also generally have weaker sex drives, given that men have 10x testosterone. So men have higher demand for it, so she can wait you ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 09:48 PM
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The chances of getting custody if you separate while unmarried is depressingly low. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/living-together-book/chapter10-9.html
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 09:40 PM
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So if the woman already has a greater bargaining position, and the husband acts reciprocal, and the wife acts selfish, what then?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:59 PM
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Agreed, I don't expect things to be 100% selfish. Say 100% vs 0% But however things in your favor. Say 60% vs 40%, or even 55% and 45% is perfectly normal. The guy is the CEO, the girl is the Vice President. Or Captain and First Mate. Etc Furthermore, if one side acts reciprocal, and the other acts selfish, that's not a reciprocal relationship. And women aren't happy being above their man. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/business/breadwinner-wives-and-nervous-husbands.html?_r=1&referrer=
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:45 PM
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True, but getting that past a 95% "reasonable doubt" is unlikely. Absence of evidence isn't Evidence of absence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:42 PM
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The real problem is that it lowers the standard of evidence from 95% certainty = guilty, to 50.1% certainty = guilty. In a he-said-she-said scenario where obviously one person is lying. And it's all executed by a council of unaccountable amateurs, instead of legal professionals. Often without access to defending evidence, legal council, or cross examination. http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2014/10/yes-means-yes-and-preponderance-of.html?m=1 https://www.thefire.org/what-people-get-wrong-about-the-yes-me…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:35 PM
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Generally all the reasons why women keep "dating abusive jerks". Why they are attracted to men acting like "Neanderthals". Logically these are horrible people, but they sure do moisten a lot of panties. Essentially, women don't have much of a choice over feeling Lust. Acting on it, sure. Logically saying it's bad for you, sure. But your subconscious doesn't give a shit. Humans are over 200,000 years old, non-nomadic society only 10,000 years, Industrialization only 2000 years, the lightbulb only…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:12 PM
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because i want to do away with gender roles and femininity/toxic masculinity, and i think the straight white patriarchy has fucked a lot of things up for a lot of women, poc, and LGBTQ people So you're saying we should just accept the status quo?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 08:02 PM
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Self development of sexual strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:40 PM
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Because it's about sex, not procreation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:28 PM
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Not just non-monogamy, but a removal of social and legal restrictions on female sexuality. Which is perfectly acceptable. But it means that unchained cavewoman biology of her subconscious is playing a more dominant role in her sex life. And that if a woman does marry, she's doing so for far more opportunistic reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:18 PM
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putting yourself first is unhealthy I disagree. People are generally self interested and opportunistic. What you're arguing is for goes against human nature. mutual reciprocity without leverage over one another is easily achievable in a sexual relationship, and immoral/unhealthy if you don't I also disagree. However I kinda agree with you when it comes to Friendships of the same gender. However treating a girl like a Friend is a poor sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 07:01 PM
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The meta-dynamics of sexual relationships has changed, and it's not going back. Better to thrive in the new environment, than suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:53 PM
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The difference being, I'm pointing out that if men doing it is immoral or unfair, then isn't women doing it the same? And if women aren't going to stop doing it, who's to say men shouldn't start doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:36 PM
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Fair enough. But it seems like you're forfeiting on the marriage thing here. My objectives was to point out that the whole "settling down into an unequal relationship" is a very real thing for a majority of women. That said, most of TRP agrees an unmarried partnership is better. But even then you have a situation where the woman could easily walk away if she chooses to. So why would moral scorn be heaped in TRP guys if she chooses to not walk away from an unequal relationship? She has agency doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:28 PM
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To be personally honest, that's Belle's moral hangup. Me I don't really see much moral difference between calculated and non-calculated behavior. Especially given that the female side of things has a lot of cultural acceptance backing to it, so merely "going with the flow" isn't really an excuse. I also don't see a future where widespread women reduce this behavior. So fair is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:19 PM
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Like I said, she can limit access to sex, and there's not much a guy can do about it, since he'd get legally crucified in a separation where he cheated. The only real option there is to divorce right there, but even then chances are he's going to lose money, and she's going to gain money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:13 PM
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I'm pointing out that your "Reciprocal/Equal leverage" in a marriage theory has some major holes in it. Chances are, the wife has a lot more leverage. I.e. The Power dynamics of the relationship are in her favor. And that's the status quo. TRP is merely flipping those power dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:07 PM
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So how do you know the majority of women aren't doing this in a calculated way?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:02 PM
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So it's perfectly fine of men do what TRP prescribes, as long as they do it without thinking much about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:52 PM
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Out of the amount of times you flip a coin. How frequently does it land on it's edge?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:39 PM
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So basically you're saying women are oblivious to their own actions, and that makes it okay? That's pretty offensive that you think women are that stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:32 PM
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Yes, because women overwhelmingly marry equally sexy partners, with equal incomes? http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/jobs/posts/2012/02/~/media/Research/Images/0/123/020312_earnings_marriage_men.png Remind me, what is the male leverage counterpart to "Honey do XYZ or else no sex" in a married relationship? Or "If you cheat, I'm taking the kids and half your stuff".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:23 PM
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If you didn't notice, that's the standard arrangement a woman is looking for in marrying a "Beta Bux". That whole "Happy Wife, Happy Life" stuff isn't just an idiomatic phrase, it's a widespread cultural phenomenon. https://www.yahoo.com/health/wifes-happiness-is-more-crucial-to-marital-success-97579958002.html TRP is merely flipping the genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 04:45 PM
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Women never do anything sexually persuasive to men..... And men are never made aware that a woman has many other options, and could replace you with minimal effort... Yeah, because that never happens....
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 04:39 PM
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Oh hell no. Traditionalism would demand you wife up every girl you fuck, and abortion (maybe even contraception) is off the table. Way I see it, TRP is thriving in the new world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 04:08 PM
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Oh hell no. Traditionalism would demand you wife up every girl you fuck, and abortion (maybe even contraception) is off the table. Way I see it, TRP is thriving in the new world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 04:08 PM
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Men are free to say yes or no, to seek or not seek sex, same as women. It's so incredibly pathetic that anyone actually believes that women choosing to not have sex with men under whatever circumstances is some kind of infringement on the men's rights. And women who are in total control, with total agency, are being "Manipulated" into lust and sex, and that's an infringement on women's rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 01:49 AM
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Actually I think it is fair. Redpill tends to grab ahold of people when are frustrated with a lack of results in their dating life. They stick around through the anger phase, but once life starts turning rosy, they often exit the community. It's also growing in size. And for every newbie, that's a new person who's frustrated and feels betrayed by how he was indoctrinated with how dating was "supposed" to work. Go figure, a self help community has a lot of people who need help.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:55 AM
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Lol, you completely missed the sarcasm. As for the reasonable expectation, yeah, I do believe that it's important for men to have influential strategies for getting what they want, assuming they put in enough effort. Not a specific girl, but results with the type of girl he's after. Otherwise what's the point in investing a lot of time, energy, and money into something with no reasonable rate of return on investment. hinging your entire life's happiness on how often you can manipulate someone in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 11:56 PM
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Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 10:13 PM
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Heck that's my perspective on why the religious right is so focused on abortion. Religion was very used to the concept of the parents being in control of a woman's sex lives. Because sex = kids, and young parents = need to be supported by their parents/church to get by. Abortion is kind of a big f-you middle finger to that concept. Contraception too, but with that, it kinda gets a pass because drunk and eager young adults are bound to botch it, and accidentally have a kid. But abortion is pretty…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 10:03 PM
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Sure it exists. You're just not allowed to call bullshit when it doesn't work. Otherwise you're just a "Nice Guy".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 09:50 PM
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Sidebar
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 09:48 PM
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Well that's the other catch, traditionalist romance, didn't used to be about wooing the girl. It was about wooing the parents, who would then pimp out their daughters hand in marriage. Neo-Chivalry looks back on that shit fondly. While deliberately ignoring the the whole creepy "Your Dad was your pimp" aspect. That said, in countries that are now doing away with arranged marriages, we're seeing that the whole strategy of wooing the parents as an anachronism, that doesn't really work anymore. Bir…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 09:44 PM
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This one. More of a psychology book than a dating book. http://www.amazon.com/No-More-Mr-Nice-Guy/dp/0762415339#mediaMatrix_secondary_view_div_1440014993178 Also highly suggest this one, which is a pretty solid "everything involved in dating" book http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1463750358/ref=pd_aw_fbt_14_img_2/179-7483278-3129650?ie=UTF8&refRID=0TBVYCVHBRW4JQWJBJA0 At minimum, maybe check out a couple of the reviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 08:13 PM
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Please tell me you're more intelligent than needing to fall back on ad hominem as the basis of your arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 07:56 PM
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Yes, and No. I think there legitimately are guys who have been told to use "girl game" as their dating strategy. Only to find that women aren't that attracted to feminine qualities in a man. But the guy, and the women giving advice genuinely think it's good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 07:49 PM
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Because getting Angry is one of the mental stages along the way to Acceptance. More newbies? More Anger. Way I see it, it's kinda like becoming an Atheist, after a lifetime of religious devotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 07:43 PM
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In addition to: "To get Sex, you should be really Nice, but don't have any reasonable expectations of actually getting sex, because you're a horrible person if you do"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 07:38 PM
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Trust me, I've read Robert Glovers book twice. The point being Feminists promote an ineffective dating strategy, then blame men when it ultimately fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 07:12 PM
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I do, I'm just pointing out the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" nature of Feminist dating advice. They are going to heap scorn on men regardless of what you do. So ignore them, and do what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 07:00 PM
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i though feminist were the ones telling every one nice guys are assholes. Yup, and also that not-nice guys are assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 06:51 PM
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Said another way, if you think being nice will "entitle" you to sex, then you're in for a world of rejection, scorn and guilt. But by all means, base your dating strategy on being nice, because that's what feminists tell you to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 05:24 PM
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It's pretty hard to find a guy with options, who will treat a girl like she's his only good option.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 05:02 PM
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Yeah, you went for the lifetime number, and completely ignored the yearly. As predicted. The second link, I'm sorry, kinda muddied things up because it only is in regards to young adult sex. And within whatever parameters NatGeo decided to define the age range, and whether made to penetrate counts as rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 06:37 AM
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So you're just gonna ignore that the yearly rape rates are nearly dead even between genders huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 06:28 AM
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That's the aspect of race that's relevant to getting men laid. TRP isn't about all aspects of reality, just how to successfully get men to be desired and laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 05:59 AM
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There's plenty of "what's my strategy as a Black/Indian/Asian guy" threads in RP. Which isn't so much RP being racist, as it is the women who'd want to date non-white guys have racial preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 04:56 AM
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Duluth model with domestic violence Lowest standard of evidence (Preponderance of Evidence) in college sexual assault cases, with little to no defending evidence, and no lawyers Fighting against equal custody, alimony, child support reform Declaring there's a massive pay gap, when is less than 5%, and no evidence points towers that gap being sexist (Although it does point to women being less risk taking in salary negotiations) Sexist quota based hiring demands Demanding more gradeschool catering…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:41 PM
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Well here's a quick Google: https://parriahpottymouth.wordpress.com/2014/09/24/13-sexist-things-about-heforshe-everything-sexist-about-emma-watsons-un-speech/ That said, feminism first and foremost it's about benefiting women. Any benefit men receive is tangential, and almost always for "feminine" men. There is no substantial effort by mainstream feminism to benefit men in ways that affect "masculine" men. Me personally, I believe the bulk of modern Feminism is about constructing benevolent doub…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:22 PM
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Actually I can't figure anything. Hoping you're going to do something more intelligent than that apples and oranges 1 in 76 lifetime number.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:32 PM
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WTF dude. Women bleed. It's a thing. Get over it. As for the reasoning, it's because it's a cheap way to deal with things, relative to buying other toiletry stuff that costs more than a pack of cigarettes a week, for the rest of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:14 PM
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Perhaps you missed this part: #HeForShe How much of a literal men benefiting women, simply because they are women do you need?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:00 PM
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Literally a person calling for more benevolent sexism, campaign style. #HeForShe
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:05 PM
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I agree, there's a bit of a flaw, but that's largely because it's an incomplete dataset. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3fzaoi/bbc_a_female_raping_a_male_is_bizarre_apparently/ctukdfr?context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:41 PM
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"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried." -Winston Churchill
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:30 PM
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Well, would you consider Amy Schumer a rapist? http://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/05/wait-a-second-did-amy-schumer-rape-a-guy/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 06:52 PM
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You just posted 8 posts in different subreddits since making this post half an hour ago....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 06:23 PM
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Sounds like you're saying all women want the best for themselves and have the potential to do shitty to things to get it. That's just a human thing. Agreed. However society and media has argued that's a Male thing only. Or maybe only a tiny percentage of women thing. Add to that, men have a lot of legal and social risk that women don't share, for being promiscuous. I.e. Child support, false accusations of rape, false accusations of domestic violence, and a general apathy towards "crazy" women do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:38 PM
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Well that's kind of the point of TRP. Thriving in the new circumstances of the dating market. In ways that a previous generation version of you would be extremely jealous of.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:20 PM
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If it was easily possible for a guy to get a surrogate baby, I'd still say having a long term girlfriend would be a positive influence on the child. But it's about $150,000 for a surrogate child last I checked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:17 PM
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So, instead of contributing to the vicious "hurt people hurt people" feedback loop, why can't you focus your efforts on breaking the cycle, becoming a person worth being, and contributing to the better part of society instead of the worse? Because dating is largely a zero-sum proposition. Either he takes advantage, or she takes advantage. It'd be great if both sides disarmed. But one side disarming is just begging to be taken advantage of. An analogy is USSR and USA in the cold war with Nukes. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:03 PM
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It's only a deliberate accounting error. But no worries, you just didn't know any better. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/09/22/rape-cdc-numbers-misleading-definition-date-forced-sexual-assault-column/16007089/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131007-sexual-violence-rape-teenagers-sociology/ And for added bonus: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/18qyzg/study_when_domestic_violence_is_onesided_in_70_of/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model#Criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:36 PM
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Like said, the quality I care about is there. Another example would be Monster brand HDMI cables, versus generic HDMI cables. A equal result in picture quality, since HDMI is a standard, but one costs you 10x as much as the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:26 PM
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So you have to care more about benefiting sexy strangers than you do yourself, in order to be considered a moral person?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:23 PM
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Good for her. In economic terms, Me I'd prefer a lower price for goods equal in the quality I actually care about. I.e. Offbrand medication
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:15 PM
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Very well written. Heck worthy of a main sub TRP post. And I especially like the cards analogy. (Better than my cold war nukes version) Much easier to explain the idea of women wanting you to play cards, with all your cards face up, and all her cards face down.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:11 PM
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Because she believes she deserves a sexier man because of her accomplishments. I.e. I'd rather an equally sexy girl with a bachelor's degree, rather than an equally sexy girl with a PhD degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:06 PM
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What magical force is going to ensure equal results in a zero-sum situation, where both sides are self interested and opportunistic? If there is no magical force, then why the moral obsession with equal results. (Or rather only a negative focus on when men get the advantage)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:01 PM
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Because it can be very lucrative to use the power of implied future sex to get men to bend over backwards for attractive women. Only to find out that most women are opportunistic and selfish. As are most people. If a man expects to be anything less than used (labor, money, body), chances are he's in for a world of disappointment. At least when a guy gets used for his body, he gets sex, and gets to keep his value after the relationship ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:04 AM
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I'll assume you're being sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:41 AM
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And can men expect that same level of selfless altruism from women when it comes to dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:33 AM
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Impressed. As a person. Unimpressed. Sexually. A woman who has almost no free time, and thinks her accomplishments make her sexier, isn't as desirable as an equally sexy woman with less pretense and more free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:28 AM
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Women are more cavewoman/animal than polite society is willing to admit. Men acting like "Neanderthals", well duh, that's writ large in the media.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:08 AM
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Weird reference. But it essentially seems to be that you're saying a man shouldn't be getting girls who are hotter than he is, because he's a if he's not a "real man" if he thinks that's a good idea. As for convincing people to do things you want being unmanly, I'm glad to know the vast majority of high pressure sales, marketing, and contract negotiations is not for "real men".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:04 AM
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So if a man doesn't go sober "full disclosure" with a girl, with zero misdirection, he's not a "real man" but rather a "manipulative man"? Seems like an odd definition of masculinity from a "how can he best benefit women" perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 02:41 AM
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So what would an analogue to male behavior be?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 01:57 AM
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Good example. And to an extent I agree with you, the laws supporting marriage and children are pretty lopsided. Wouldn't really be so awful though if they weren't enforced by the power of law. Taking marriage and children out of the picture, as the majority of RP would do, what else you got?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 01:24 AM
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I agree, domestic violence is bad. But that's not really a gendered issue. https://reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/18qyzg/study_when_domestic_violence_is_onesided_in_70_of/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 01:11 AM
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Explain to me why "Pressuring" is inherently different from "Convincing", or "Negotiating". Is it because he might leave if he's not getting the kind of relationship standards he wants to live by? Having standards is now Abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 12:33 AM
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I think the context in which it's quoted is a great meta-analysis of how dumb the wage gap arguments are. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/114055529676/my-verdict-on-gender-bias-in-the-workplace And people who use that specific talking point are either dumb or ignorant. So what's the point in trying change the minds of people who don't care much about evidence or logic in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 08:35 PM
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"pressuring my wife into doing stuff" You have a very broad definition of Abuse. Literally, anything beyond sitting back and accepting the status quo would be abuse in your eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 08:20 PM
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https://www.google.com/search?q=cosmopolitan&rlz=1Y3JHSK_enUS574US574&espv=1&prmd=in&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sboxchip=Images&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI1cuan86wxwIVCUqICh1ligB8
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 05:13 PM
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Way I see it. "Teaching" isn't going to do anything on a macro-scale. You will never change the status quo. Don't be dishonest and act like you will. All you're doing is saying that when negotiating for sexual value, men are morally bankrupt, if they get a better deal. Sure it's bad if women do it too, but they don't get the same character assassination treatment for engaging in it. More of a theoretical slap on the hand. And at a broader scale, I find it entirely bizarre that you think morality…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 08:41 AM
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Is it possible that what he's writing is satire?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 08:24 AM
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Like said, the hotter the girl, the more doormat sycophants she has, the more you have to act the opposite of a doormat sycophant. The disconnect is that this should be calibrated on how much fawning attention this girl is bound to get. The "popular misunderstanding" is a one size fits all approach. Furthermore, even if it's light teasing, even that would fit your definition of attacking a girls ego. It's only a difference of calibrating the severity to how inflated or deflated the girls ego is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 08:16 AM
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I'm challenging your use of the word "manipulate". If it was Influence, Haggling, Sales, or Marketing. Further I would challenge the idea that any dating is 100% honest, especially in its initial phases. I challenge your use of a "thought terminating cliche". That said. We live in a society where women make 40% of the money, and 85% of the consumer spending decisions. There are ten times more single mothers with sole custody, than single fathers with sole custody. And yet you find the concept of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 08:09 AM
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You were talking specifically about negging. Which it's technical definition is showing sexual disinterest. You seem to think that's abhorrent. But at the same time disagree with following through what that would imply. So which is it, is it good or bad, for a guy to temper his interest and compliments, with disinterest and teasing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 07:53 AM
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If two humans barter for goods and services, and one gets a better deal due to their smart bargaining skills. Is that morally wrong? Would it be right to save that only one gender is ever allowed to get a better bargain for goods and services? So why would it follow that only Women are allowed to get a "better bargain" in sexual relations without being viewed as a morally bankrupt person? Isn't the idea that influencing somebody in a sexual relationship is bad, but only when men do it, kinda sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 07:48 AM
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If you think constantly acting sycophantic to women, with no balance of disinterest, works for you. Great. Vast majority of guys find it just makes to come off as needy and low status.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 07:27 AM
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Negs are Anti-Sycophantic, the more hot the girl, the harsher it should be In general it's about showing sexual disinterest. And one could argue showing too much sexual interest is one of the main things that cause dating to initially fail. (Much less the power dynamics later) The alternative to no negs constant, is showing sexual interest and compliments all the time. See how far that gets you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 06:07 PM
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Who knows, they might even have beneficial effects. https://www.paleohacks.com/testosterone/phytoestrogens-good-or-bad-25037
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:56 PM
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There's no peer reviewed studies I'm aware of that shows that phytoestrogen is directly incorporated as animal estrogen. And even if it was, we're talking a cap full, split between three meal portions of veggies. If anything, for testosterone, hit the gym, sleep well, get plenty of zinc, vitamin d, and saturated fat. And avoid alcohol 8 hours after lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:47 PM
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What's the point of a guy trying to have sex, with a girl who doesn't like sex? Or from the make perspective, wouldn't he be better off to assume she does until proven otherwise. While we are more accepting of pre-marital sex, we're actually having less sex and less accepting of extra-marital sex than our parent's generation. Less extra-martital sex, when marriage rates have taken a nose dive, to the point that there are now more unmarried adults than married? That sounds wrong. http://nypost.co…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:42 PM
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Yup, heck if you wanna know the real secret. I suggest you get some Tony Chachere Creole seasoning. Goes on just about anything. Zero calories. Dirt cheap. Other than that I add in a bit of soy sauce, Apple cider vinegar, and then when it's all done I dump a lot of the water and stir in some sesame oil.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 08:28 PM
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Bored. Doing office work stuff. Making improvements, but maybe not as fast as I could. Just had a meal of brussel sprouts, bok choy, portobello mushrooms, and "tequila lime" foster farms chicken wings/drumsticks (which are zero carb oddly) All of which was packed in a meal prep container. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00VWJHFTM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1439495737&sr=1-1&pi=AC_SX200_QL40&dpPl=1&dpID=51w9VJk%2Bi5L&ref=plSrch For water, I've been using this coffee mug. (Never use it for coffee, water ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:50 PM
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All women have animal urges over people they consider "Sexy". Her higher brain functions need to be properly incentivized to restrain those urges. And the current culture incentivizes the opposite of sexual restraint. So, unless you take a very active role in incentivizing restraint, then don't trust that she will.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:18 PM
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I'd disagree. The reason people freak out over TRP is much more knee-jerk than carefully understanding the concepts behind TRP and disagreeing with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 07:04 PM
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What a woman defines as a "highly sexy man" is individually and culturally subjective. However when a woman experiences what she individually deems as a "highly sexy man" her brain is receiving a very similar cocktail of hormones and neurotransmitters, all within a low level animal portion of her brain. Culture and upbringing then incentivize her higher level brain functions whether or not she explores/restrains those animal urges. But all women have those animal urges. And the current culture/l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:41 PM
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Same in terms of what they find attractive. No. We agree on that. Some women are horribly turned on by Juggalos. Or have any number of weird fetishes. Or daddy issues etc. But in terms of their basic instinctual reaction to those that they are turned on by (or turned off by). I'd say there certainly is quite a lot of similarity. They are getting dosed with nearly the same brain chemicals, with nearly the same animal level brain structure. After that point, it's merely a question of how incentivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 06:16 PM
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stop bringing this back to sex. That's not really what im talking about, I am talking about AWALT being bullshit Then maybe that's the fundamental misunderstanding. In normal rational behavior, I'm actually fully in agreement with you. But AWALT is exclusively in regards to women reacting to what makes them horny, (and anti-horny).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 05:48 PM
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So you're telling me things that make people horny, have barely any influence from instinct and brain structure. And is almost entirely determined by culture and upbringing? Forgive me, but that sounds positively absurd. For rational behavior, sure. But for base level urges, that sounds entirely like wishful thinking, instead of science.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:59 PM
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I don't really buy into the whole"we are hard wired" sort of thing, at one point we had needs, we don't have those needs anymore, I think nurture is beginning to defeat nature. In what way? Sure we value gold and smartphones now more than seashells or peacock feathers. The context is different. But in what way would The underlying behavioral script change? Heck if anything, by weakening Patriarchal laws and expectations that artificially restricted female sexuality, I'd argue we are having a res…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:09 PM
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Love is a series of chemicals your body feels .
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 04:04 PM
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How about fundamentally different brain structure? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2518327/Mens-womens-brains-truth-As-research-proves-sexes-brains-ARE-wired-differently-womens-cleverer-ounce-ounce--men-read-female-feelings.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences Granted, there's some overlap, but the vast majority of those people are gay. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080616-gay-brain_2.html As for my personal definition of AWALT "Assume al…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:48 PM
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Yes, I'd agree that complacency towards "Male Disposability" is a biological thing. Also a deeply rooted cultural thing. Which kinda makes it hard to drum up any sympathy for men in bad situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/15 03:43 PM
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Well, also just consider it from an economic standpoint. If you treat her as an equal, and she doesn't (as Feminist culture balks at any accommodation of men's desires. Or just simply because she's got "Sex" as a bargaining chip. So it's believed she's already at a greater default position), boom you are now the subservient one in the relationship. It's kind if like a coldwar scenario where USA agrees to get rid if it's Nukes and actually doing it, but Russia says they will but they don't.
/r/TheRedPill13/08/15 03:35 PM
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It's easy to make divorce look better if you remove new data points from high population states. https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/ny-times-happy-talk-about-divorce/ Also what percentage of unhappy marriages of the ones that stick together?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:33 PM
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50% divorce rate, 25% unhappy marriage rate The odds are anything but good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:30 PM
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But assuming you abolish the concept of getting married and or having kids. Why would partner count matter then? (I'm genuinely curious) Since it kinda seems like a moot point otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:48 PM
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I'd say you're RP. You see the world of gender dynamics through an RP paradigm. That said, ever been to this subreddit? https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:53 PM
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Well, assuming she gets an STD check before you go condomless, you do have a point. Only catch is that despite best efforts, there's always a chance she could get preggers. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/14/sunday-review/unplanned-pregnancies.html
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:44 PM
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You know what's worse than being lonely when you're old? Having a life where you never really Lived much for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 08:31 PM
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I'd say TRP views the issues MRA's are facing as not worth the effort and resources, at a personal level. The system is fucked. Don't fix it. Just figure out how to game the system for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 04:21 PM
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I look at it this way. If a man negotiates for more SMV than he's offering, then he's condemned as "Manipulating" and "Abusive". Which is essentially the sexist notion that only Women are allowed to "Win" when negotiating for SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 04:18 PM
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women want somebody they consider "a catch". Apparently, I was wrong. It seems you believe that women actually want a man that actually makes them feel inferior. Perception is Reality when it comes to dating. Sub-rational emotions are extremely important. If a woman doesn't Feel she is Less than the guy, then she won't view him as a catch, relative to herself. Furthermore, the whole premise of "manipulation" is that the victim party is getting a bad deal out of a bargain. Kinda sexist that you'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 08:58 PM
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Physically attractive? No. However you kinda do need one to learn that women want a guy who makes them feel inferior, who frees up her mental workload to allow her to follow on autopilot, who focuses more on stirring up her emotions than doting on her, who doesn't allow her to get away with bullshit demands, and to always be prepared to leave the woman you're with. Furthermore, you really need one to learn how there's a whole legal system aimed to crush them when it comes to marriage and kids. J…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 07:35 PM
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Women like a guy who can Lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 05:45 PM
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More like, the Feminist/Chickflick/BP concept of subservient male romance, true love, and virginal selfless women, dying from a cold dose of reality. Selfless emotional/financial devotion/vulnerability is a great way for guys to get taken advantage of. Who knew, huh? Having a sexy body, sexy personality, and making a girl feel like she's inferior to the superior guy she's getting (A steal of a bargain), actually leads to attraction. Go figure, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 05:29 PM
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I'd argue TRP probably is focusing on being in a similar "Cock Carousel" mode, as women, and will consider "settling down" when they age out of the woman version of the CC. Alternatively, TRPs alternative to spinning plates is serial monogamy. Which count as LTRs, without all the obligations/liability of marriage. I'm in the latter camp. Probably gonna stay there. Partially because I'd rather avoid catching an STD.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 04:35 PM
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The death of a dearly held concept isn't something people get over easily. I'd argue it's similar to renouncing some religion. And there are plenty of "Angry" atheists, as I'm sure you're aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 04:18 PM
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Nina Hartley, etc, that pussy eating video. How to do Kegels, and max out your dick hardness before jacking off. An advisement to lift weights, eat saturated fat, zinc, and vitamin D (mushrooms), and get plenty of sleep. (All for that testosterone boost.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 07:35 AM
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Nothing. Their Disney version of women is dead. Anger is the second stage of grief. https://icimeoturanboga.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wpid-5_stages_of_grief.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 07:29 AM
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Guys gotta work for everything valuable in life. Having muscles, friends, job skills, and an alluring personality helps a lot on getting those things. Difference being, BP men fall for the trap of giving it all away.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 02:44 AM
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It's really easy to make divorce rates look good if you remove new data points from high population states from your dataset.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 06:23 PM
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Doesn't need to be alone. But she doesn't need to have herself legally attached to the child either. Plenty of "Single mothers" have full custody, and replaceable long term boyfriends. Why can't a man play that game as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 06:17 PM
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Giving up rights to reproduction here means that you won't father a child that you instill with your values. Sure you can father a child and then separate from the mother and pay alimonies. But these are values that I don't share. I believe that a child needs two parents. Sad truth is that with divorce rates so high, and custody courts so slanted, men don't really get much of a choice in that matter. Only "safe" choice a guy could have for raising a kid is to adopt, or surrogate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 06:00 PM
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You know what Mark Twain said about statistics, right? https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/ny-times-happy-talk-about-divorce/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 05:38 PM
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Here's another cite http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/08/unmarried-couples-get-health-benefits-too/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 04:29 PM
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Counterpoints: You underestimate how much sex older people have. Especially if you keep yourself fit, relative to your age group. And marriage isn't? Heck it's a legal contract. How is that "natural", but fucking women "hollow". Divorce rate is 50%, and as of last year, there are more unmarried adults than married. And that ratio is only increasing. Furthermore, if you don't plan on getting married, then that necessity to find a partner that fulfills you for the "rest of your life", is kinda irr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 04:22 PM
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As some article pointed out. Think it was the star codex thing. Feminism / BP have no effective alternative for getting men laid, and desired. With BP, even if you skip past the nitpicking, there's virtually no substance behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 04:02 PM
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criticizing the entitled treatment that some people think just being "nice" should get you I.e. Do everything feminists tell you "should" be attractive and sexy to women. And then get shamed and laughed at when it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 04:52 PM
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 04:39 PM
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Interesting thought on it being projecting. Since women have been routinely shown to have a much stronger measurable ingroup bias than men. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274 I.e. Projecting "If women were in a similar position if power, they would privilege the shit out of other women, so that's what the men must be doing for other men".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 04:38 PM
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Well, the demographic based strategies are interesting though. I.e. Being black, in a majority white city, girls will tend to seeing heavily into a negative against dating black guys, or hugely positive about it. And how they go about maximizing that latter portion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 04:03 PM
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And even that isn't so much racist, as it is cultural. I.e. An Asian girl from Asia and Asian parents, vs an Asian girl adopted to USA by white parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 03:57 PM
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I think it would be a little far fetched to say that all people who belong to a certain race are inferior , so why say it when it comes to gender ? Women are different. In far more ways that levels of skin melatonin levels. And that's not a bad thing. But it is a thing. And generalities based on fundamental differences in biology, which includes brain structure, are not to be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 03:53 PM
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Inferior overall? No. "Deficient" in certain mental capabilities typical of men, using the male frame of value that controlling/minimizing your emotions is more important than utilizing/amplifying your emotions. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 03:46 PM
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How is it that no-one in this thread has mentioned oxytocin? For instance, there are studies that obviously show women have larger orgasms with hotter guys. That triggers major oxytocin releases. Now similar to this study, it's pointing out that people who have a bad relationship with their mother (another big source of oxytocin), actually react negatively when exposed to oxytocin. Where as people who had a good relationship with their mother, react positively to oxytocin. So a hypothesis may be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 03:44 PM
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http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/to-learn-who-rules-over-you-simply-find-out-who-you-are-not-allowed-to-criticize.-voltaire-e1339118283228.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 10:10 PM
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I'd say 2010. Wikipedia says 1992 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 09:40 PM
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I'm pretty sure, it's more along the lines of "How dare you tell me I'm below your standards, I'm awesome. Criticizing women is what misogynist assholes do." https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/6006477/il_570xN.259914069.jpg https://i.imgur.com/IAt9wjT.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 09:28 PM
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Feminism? No. Third wave Feminism? Yes. Fat Acceptance Slut shaming Title IX courts Rape culture Check your privilege Trigger warnings Duluth model domestic violence All of it designed to cow men into accepting shitty behavior from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 08:48 PM
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I guess you're right about that.
/r/MensRights07/08/15 05:46 PM
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Beta. Bucks. http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/jobs/posts/2012/02/~/media/Research/Images/0/123/020312_earnings_marriage_men.png
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 05:34 PM
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I'd disagree. Anti-men laws are very real, and their impacts are measurable, and their political advocacy by feminist organizations with specific staff members. Feminism can't claim the same. Patriarchy theory is a conspiracy theory, with unknown actors, imagined harms that aren't mathematically specific to any gender, and no laws against them. (Aside from abortion)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 05:26 PM
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Show me the anti-woman laws. (Aside from those anti-abortion ones.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 04:19 PM
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Well, oddly I've been suspecting that for it to go mainstream, it would probably first come from black culture. Took me a while for this formerly BP boy to start appreciating hip-hop culture for how unfiltered it is. Hopsin comes to mind. https://youtu.be/hRVOOwFNp5U
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 07:37 AM
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Kinda bizarre how your math assumes zero lesbian rapes. Especially considering how high their domestic violence rates are. http://winteryknight.com/2013/11/18/domestic-violence-rates-are-higher-for-homosexual-couples-than-for-heterosexual-couples/
/r/MensRights07/08/15 07:06 AM
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Probably, although I'd probably focus on myself a bit first. Been meaning to get more serious about the gym, and my apartment is messy. Yup, she's a girl. Finding someone is easy. Maybe not as well off as me, or with as big a dick, but somebody no doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 06:27 AM
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Uhhh... okay...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 05:48 AM
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Well, as of last year there are officially more non-married adults, than married adults. Marriage is on a steep downward trend. http://nypost.com/2014/09/09/single-adults-now-outnumber-married-adults/ Some studies said divorce rates were getting better, but they were achieving that by removing states from their dataset. https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/ny-times-happy-talk-about-divorce/ Every study I've seen had shown childless couples are happier. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/co…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 05:06 AM
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Well one could also argue it's likely that unmarried men lead more exciting/risky lives, and married men lead more boring/safe lives. In a country where women make 40% of the total income, but do 85% of the consumer spending. Do you really think "chronically overworked" American husbands are happy with being treated like wallets with legs, with hardly any free time to themselves, and their sex lives held at legal gunpoint from a spouse that increasingly takes them for granted?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 03:39 AM
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Perhaps because wealthier people have better healthcare?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 03:05 AM
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strong predictor of greater wealth and longer lifespan for men I'd argue this is correlation, not causation. Looking at it another way, "The more money a guy has, the more likelihood a woman has convinced him to sign a document declaring she's legally entitled to half of it."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 02:43 AM
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We're talking instinctual urges, not body shape. Big dog, little dog, still pretty similar when it comes to their base instincts. http://i.imgur.com/iij2A.jpg http://www.danesonline.com/picsweek2/PICSAPRIL2508/michelleFFDER.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 02:12 AM
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Similar enough, non-nomadic civilization is only about 10,000 years old. Homo-sapiens are over 200,000 years old. And like said, I would expect them to follow the same "higher value man" queues, but what they consider to be high value is individually and culturally subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 01:51 AM
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Assume all women have urges from vestigial cavewoman mental wiring. With varying degrees of mental and social training to control those urges. And that the context of "valuable man" is culturally and individually subjective. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 01:39 AM
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That's a good idea, I'll have to work that into my routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 01:32 AM
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If it was America, I'd question why "fat people" are to be considered a protected class. No law that I'm aware of does that.
/r/MensRights06/08/15 11:44 PM
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Because a lot of people don't know that rates of Gendered salary Gendered domestic violence Gendered rape / sexual adult Are all nearly equal.
/r/MensRights06/08/15 11:30 PM
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Why all the headgames when it comes to sex? Because women respond more to mental stimulation than purely physical or visual stimulation. Why else do you think the erotic novel industry is worth billions of dollars. Where-as porn that caters to women is a rarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 07:40 PM
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Flip that back on itself. In general, women aren't happy being in a sexual relationship with a man of lesser SMV than herself. Ipso facto, a woman in a happy sexual relationship is almost always Lesser than the guy she's with. And she likes it that way. Therefore, it's absolutely within a guy's interest to maintain that perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 07:08 PM
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The reason "Sexist!" is considered an epithet, is because sexist is deliberately mis-associated mysoginist to a lot of people. You may have a more nuanced personal definition, but ignoring the existence of connotations, and expecting other people to read your mind is kinda silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 06:55 PM
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Nope. Because all dating is a Sales process. You can do it in a candy coated PC veneer, but at the end of the day it's persuasion. That said, if anything, thinking about it from the BP male perspective. You wanna know what's actually truly Abusive. Not the threat of "I'm going to leave". But how about the threat of "If you ever conceive of leaving me, I will take half your money, lifetime alimony, the kids, the house, fake a domestic violence charge, and two years of your life in expensive court…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 06:48 PM
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"Sexist" kinda implies "Misogynist". So I put in a little snippet on that. But the rest of my comment is pointing out that Sexism isn't necessarily wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 06:35 PM
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Sexist, sure. Hatred of women, no. If anything, I find it strange that feminists etc like to act like there's virtually no biological differences between men and women except for how we urinate. Especially when talking about differences in brain structure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences TRP's perspective is essentially women are different from men, and that's just how the world is, so you better get used to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 06:27 PM
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Explain to me, what's the difference between "Manipulation", and Influence or Persuasion or Marketing? It's as if you're asking guys to do a sales pitch (for themselves as the product) without any marketing. Why exactly is "Manipulation" bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:55 PM
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If you focus on being "Fair", but the other side isn't reciprocating. Then aren't you the one being taken advantage of? Essentially, this is the main problem with "Equality", since it's bargaining in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:51 PM
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Sure https://reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2sh2i5/study_men_who_treat_women_the_same_as_they_treat/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:43 PM
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Compared to the status quo of "omg get married, or else you're going to die alone"? Really? If anything, TRP would rather be alone and relatively content, than be together with somebody who makes them feel alone and desperate. BP are the truly afraid to walk away from bad sexual relationships. RP suggest always being prepared to walk away. (Which implies frequent periods of being alone, even while spinning plates, that's still a lot of alone time inbetween sex sessions) Granted, RP is afraid of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 08:02 AM
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And a big portion of those with the opposite brain types are gay. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080616-gay-brain_2.html Last I checked, it's kinda difficult to fuck a chick that's not into dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:48 AM
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Interesting perspective is that the "abuse" angle is used on BP husbands and fathers quite regularly. Heck, it's practically expected behavior to use withholding sex and the threat of taking the kids and a bunch of the guys money, unless he shamelessly submits to her threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:40 AM
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The rumors are true, but limited. You get a little temporary bump in testosterone on the 7th day. But it's not a permanent increase. Heck, if anything that nofap thing messed me up. I found out that jacking off the night before having sex made it a hell of a lot easier to get hard when having sex. But previous girl I had been abstaining in hopes it would help. But yeah, highly suggest eating eggs before bed, and taking a ZMA supplement before bed. And of course it goes without saying, but limit …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 05:35 PM
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So what's your plan? TRT? Weight lifting? Higher amounts of saturated fat in your diet? Zinc and lots of sleep?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 05:26 PM
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Dunno. Another possibility is you have a straight brain, but low hormone levels. You ever get your testosterone levels checked?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 04:36 PM
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Dunno. Another possibility is you have a straight brain, but low hormone levels. You ever get your testosterone levels checked?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 04:36 PM
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Gay people mostly. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080616-gay-brain_2.html
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 04:30 PM
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The world's a fucked up place for men's rights. I personally don't wanna spend my resources to do anything about it, but I appreciate being a beneficiary of it's efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 03:19 PM
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If only. Unmarried pay child support just like the rest of them. Only with a Hell of a lot less chance of getting custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 03:16 PM
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Simple answer. Feminism/BP demand "tone policing" of anything critical of women. RP on the otherhand intentionally doesn't tone police, to the point of hyperbole. And any outside source talking about RP is often only focusing on that hyperbole, and ignoring the real concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 03:13 PM
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At a rate of 1 out of every 4 women in the entire country in that age group? Sure what you're saying happened, but was it on the same scale?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 12:12 AM
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That's a more recent phenomenon. http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/astounding-increase-in-antidepressant-use-by-americans-201110203624 Now, if you subtract 40 or 50 years, you get the first or second generation of women experiencing the high Highs of the sexual revolution. Now experiencing the low Lows of the wall, in a generation of no fault divorce, abortion, and birth control. All while surrounded by wimpy Feminized men they don't want, and alpha men who won't even pay them a second of atten…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 10:35 PM
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I'm perfectly fine with mocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 09:54 PM
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Another simple response. Marriage is a shitty deal, you have to pay a median $25,000 for the wedding. (And median $20,000 for the divorce). Then there's all the housing and "honey-do" bullshit you end up paying for because otherwise you get no sex. And in theory you marry this girl because you like having sex with her sexy body, and her pleasing personality. Only to lose both as she takes you for granted. Kids. In my part of the county, $500,000 before age 18, $1,000,000 lifetime. AND a 50% divo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 09:21 PM
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You'd do better to compare casual sex and LTRs. Marriage is just a shitty deal all around. As for the difference between casual sex and LTRs, I think it's mostly because successful LTRs often disappear into their Happy lives, and don't feel the need to post their theory with strangers on the internet. As such, it's mostly the frequently single guys who post. Since they are the ones that have to keep their relationship initiation skills sharp.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 09:02 PM
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Interesting comment, I'll have to take some time responding, but as for the last bit. http://www.amazon.com/What-Do-Women-Want-Adventures/dp/0061906093
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 08:36 PM
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Yes, of course. Check the amygdala section. Women have smaller amygdalas with 80% less sensory neurons. As such, they need a much stronger emotional stimulus. Also men encode emotional memories with their right side of their amygdala, women encode emotional memories with the left side of their amygdala. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 08:03 PM
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I was actually considering a big factor of this is that socially, and judicially, men are judged more harshly than women, and hold them to a higher standard of consequences. For instance, if a guy cheats in a marriage, or non-marriage with children. He can expect that to legally screw him over heavily. No such consequence for women. Lose your job, or take a huge paycut? You can expect yourself to be single pretty soon, if not homeless. Men categorically get heavier prison sentences for the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 07:54 PM
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Easy answer. Best way to start getting invited to cool shit, is to invite other people to your own cool shit, and then they will feel the need to pay you back by inviting you to their cool shit. Aka, Become a leader that guides people to do cool shit, and then you yourself will get to do cool shit
/r/askTRP04/08/15 06:42 PM
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Approved submitters only posting new and interesting questions that haven't been discussed before or or are based on current events. I disagree. This just promotes circlejerks, and doesn't really allow people to easily call-out bullshit. Furthermore, just because something isn't new to you doesn't mean it's not new to others. Or that the comments section won't deliver a fresh take on an old concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:27 PM
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Like certain economists would point out a higher tax rate doesn't necessarily equal a higher tax revenue. Oh come on, I'm RP, but you're not honestly trying to say the Laffer curve is anything but a sleight of hand by claiming the bump in FICA taxes from the baby boom generation as if they were general revenue taxes. http://www.itep.org/debunkinglaffer/ That said, I do agree with the concept. Part of the reason RP people are even active on this sub, is that every other sub that isn't explicitly …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:23 PM
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So if you're not a slob, wearing the same baggy wardrobe you did in college, you're metro?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:13 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrosexual There's a big difference between focusing on looking good, and looking "fabulous". The 80 side of that 80/20 rule. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 04:54 PM
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According to OKCupid stats. Even the most attractive men get messaged first less than even average looking girls. Furthermore, these men probably do get approached, but could do better by approaching (which also shows initiative, and all sorts of desirable traits) There's a big difference between need and want
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 04:34 PM
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Um nope. Metro sexual would be if we wanted to focus on looking like we were literally gay, in hopes of getting female attention. I.e. Low testosterone Redpill focuses on looking high testosterone
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 04:31 PM
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It's actually an interesting approach. In LTRs you can't go full alpha. But this mixes things up by going fake beta, then making a joke about it. Essentially giving a girl a rollercoaster of emotion, with not actually needing to be beta.
/r/TheRedPill03/08/15 08:27 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/8OZ6VBi.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 09:45 PM
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Mostly cause they've moved the Happy smiley stuff over here: https://reddit.com/r/thankTRP
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 08:06 PM
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Still better than the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:15 PM
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Well, up until a few generations ago, BB enslavement was actually very beneficial for the man. A very agreeable alternative to harems. But due to science, society, and government we've kinda removed the downsides for women. Which is great. But the BB enslaving machine never stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:06 PM
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Not sure about society or women, but Religion, definitely. As for the rest, yes kinda. Two generations ago before birth control became mainstream, sex meant children. And children from young couples meant a significant financial burden on their parents and grandparents. As such, as liability guarantors, parents and grandparents felt they had a lot of Say in choosing responsible unburdensome men for them to pimp their daughter out to. (The church also being a fallback) And this pimping has been g…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:55 PM
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So pretty much, he doesn't have to do a damned thing, since he's already dripping with passive dread.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:25 PM
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Can a woman overcome her instincts with enough training, circumstance, and willpower? Sure. As for Rhonda though, I wouldn't be surprised if her brain structure is more male-ish. Wouldn't surprise me at all if she was Bi, or Lesbian.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:17 PM
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I guess that's what doggy style is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:12 PM
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It's it not reasonable to show an employer that you have the potential for other job prospects?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:55 PM
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The underlying conditions are the same. But the expressed behavior is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:53 PM
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Well, I used to have a lot of difficulty with the AWALT concept. However if you define it as: AWALT = Assume all women have urges from vestigial cavewoman mental wiring. With varying degrees of mental and social training to control those urges. And that the context of "valuable man" is culturally and individually subjective. It's actually pretty reasonable. Almost uncontroversial even.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:30 AM
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I agree. That's bad. Meanwhile, legally a man can't be raped by a woman. As far as federal data collection is concerned. But if they counted it, it's about an even split, 50/50 by gender. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/09/22/rape-cdc-numbers-misleading-definition-date-forced-sexual-assault-column/16007089/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131007-sexual-violence-rape-teenagers-sociology/
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:02 AM
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No. Feminism is about female empowerment. Irregardless of equal treatment. Otherwise they wouldn't be pushing so hard for defining crimes in such a way that only men can be perpetrators, and only women can be victims. I.e. Duluth model with domestic violence Lowest standard of evidence (Preponderance of Evidence) in college sexual assault cases, with little to no defending evidence, and no lawyers Fighting against equal custody, alimony, child support reform Declaring there's a massive pay gap, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:53 AM
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Mostly because the feminist "something productive" almost always means exclusively putting whatever the burden/liability is on men, and exclusively giving whatever the benefit is to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 11:37 PM
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Abortion access seems to be about the only legit one. Everything else men either have the same issue at a worse or comparable rate. The difference being, men and women alike don't give a shit when a man has a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 11:28 PM
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Everyone knows that all coffee drinkers want a deep dark rich roast. http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce?language=en
/r/TheRedPill30/07/15 08:07 PM
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Almost wish though that someone would swap in some generic blond jock dude do that "OMG Racism" wasn't like 90% of the comments. For instance: http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/02/24/24-chris-hemsworth.w529.h529.2x.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 07:58 PM
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It's actually in interesting image they are discussing. http://i.imgur.com/kkzYuET.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 07:50 PM
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Because generally female friendship is lopsided. Where as male friendship has a lot more chance of being based on reciprocity/loyalty. But like said above, female friends of mutual convenience are fine. (Fair weather friends) Just don't expect your investments in them to be repaid in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 01:23 PM
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It's less about the activity, more about the opportunity to vent. Especially when you can mix in alcohol. Furthermore, as per the discussion topic. Not much point in recruiting women purely because they find you sexy, only to vent to them the most anti-sexy stuff about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 01:11 PM
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Well, women as friends is fine. But you can't expect to call in any favors with them the same way you would men as friends. I.e. You can't invest in them a sense of loyalty/reciprocity. But if you enjoy their company at times of mutual convenience, go right ahead. Fair weather friends still have their uses.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 05:26 AM
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More like any man has latent potential to be a leader. But by default, a lot of men are followers. Read up on Simon Sinek and leaders
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:52 AM
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The TRP version of orbiters, is plates. Or said another way, the TRP version of the friendzone, is the fuckzone. -_ As for the rest of your comment. That's what male friends, and male-only spaces is all about. I.e. Going camping, poker, bar, gun range, fishing with "just the guys". -_ Beyond that? A paid therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:45 AM
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Um.... That is essentially BP advise. RP rejects it. http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/13/just-be-yourself/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:27 AM
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Just get out there Be yourself Get to know him and see if feelings develop Be really sweet and kind and romantic Don't try to plan, romantic situations just happens because of fate/circumstance. I'd have to think through it. But the basic concept is that women are honestly telling you what they think is "good advice".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:08 AM
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Lift, but focus on cutting your weight down to Atleast 160. So do a 3x5 version of Stronglifts. Ketogenic dieting, with Intermittent Fasting as a diet plan. I suggest grabbing some meal-prep containers off Amazon. Dedicate one day a week to making your weeks meals. Once you get down to 160, increase the calories, and upgrade to ICF 5x5. Also, since you're probably gonna go through a lot of porn between now and then. A. Use it as a motivator. No porn if you didn't lift. B. Learn how to do kegels,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 12:59 AM
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One more proviso necessary, "And are you inbetween 28 and 18 years old"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:46 PM
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Nope. Decent strategy for a woman though. Hence why it still gets repeated. A lot of shitty dating advice for men, is good dating advice for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:43 PM
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It certainly helps prevent getting eaten by saber tooth tigers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:32 PM
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Lowering overall male testosterone levels. And not enough Kegels. So not enough lifting, saturated fats, and cock-pushups. And just less attractive women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:41 PM
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Which is why Feminists have pushed Title IX kangaroo courts which allow no cross examination, no lawyers, little defending evidence, and prosecute on a 50.1% likelihood guilty charge. (Rather than the standard 90% afforded all other serious crimes) http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2014/10/yes-means-yes-and-preponderance-of.html?m=1
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 03:46 PM
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Ever think that bullying weak men and boys might be an aspect of human nature? I.e. Vestigial caveman brain wiring
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:31 AM
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I'm actually okay with income based scholarships and grants. Just not racist or sexist ones, (funded with public dollars. Do whatever you want with private dollars)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:17 AM
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Nearly 2 out of 3 college attendees are women, 90% of grade/high school staff are women. Given that, why is the narrative that we need to cater education more to girls, and subsidize their way into college STEM fields?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 10:10 PM
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I'd say I lean more of a strict egalitarian. To me "Equality" should mean equal opportunity. Not affirmative action. So more of a social libertarian, and economic Keynesian. (Because trickle-down economics lacks empiricism)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 06:57 PM
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Or better yet, Ice Cream Fitness 5x5
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 05:38 PM
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I was focusing on CDC numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 06:04 AM
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And how exactly are you getting your age/gender + combining rape and made to penetrate numbers. Since if you're just counting the rape numbers, you're kinda missing the point that female on make rape isn't actually called "rape" in this report. But For instance, http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131007-sexual-violence-rape-teenagers-sociology/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 05:24 AM
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shrug * Be it the pay gap stats, rape/sexual assault stats, domestic violence stats(I.e. Duluth model craziness), etc Modern feminism's greatest weakness is that that popular stats it uses are pathetically un-credible. And it's simply bizarre to me how you'll have staunch feminists denounce anti-vaxxers for being non-objective. But base massive chunks of their morality on the perceived injustice of equally sketchy studies. Real studies will never be good enough it seems. But dodgy propaganda stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 03:07 AM
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I asked this question earlier. And the answer I got is that "Yes, it's possible, but that you wouldn't wanna risk it, so let some other guy show she can be in a monogamous relationship for years. But by then then she'd be past the wall, and not really worth dating anyways. Unless of course you yourself age-out of dating pre-wall girls". So basically, possible, unlikely, and not really worth thinking about until you yourself start hitting a male wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 12:31 AM
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Not quite getting the "Selling your soul" part. Some women like casual sex. Some men do too. If you don't like it, that that doesn't automatically make men who like casual sex evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 11:55 PM
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So you're saying a surveymonkey email blast to win a $10 Amazon gift card, done at two colleges, extrapolated over 4 years of college attendance, then extrapolated nation-wide is more objective? http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-1-in-5-women-have-not-been-raped-on-college-campuses/article/2551980 Or how about the brazen declaration that all unreported and inconclusive rape cases are proven true. And only those cases that are proven false are false. http://mobile.vnews.com/opinion/17195695-108…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 09:27 PM
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I have always seen game as a part of status. Nice summary. Game for a poser is imitating a high status man. Which is a Hell of a lot easier when you actually are that high status man.
/r/TheRedPill27/07/15 09:07 PM
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PUA - What works RP - Why it works
/r/TheRedPill27/07/15 09:02 PM
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Thanks http://www.divorce-lawyer-source.com/faq/emotional/who-initiates-divorce-men-or-women.html
/r/MensRights27/07/15 06:16 PM
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Where can I get those stats? :)
/r/MensRights27/07/15 04:31 PM
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Because, as you know, rapes are almost overwhelming committed by men Assuming you define rape in such a way that women literally can't be perpetrators. (Unless they wear a strap-on). Sure. If you don't however, it's a nearly 50/50 split. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/09/22/rape-cdc-numbers-misleading-definition-date-forced-sexual-assault-column/16007089/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 01:58 AM
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So if human-A and human-B are equally drunk, and have sex. Why is it that only one gender is capable of being responsible? Seems a bit sexist don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 12:59 AM
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Fun times. You pass. You believe women aren't as capable or responsible as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 12:42 AM
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Well then, here's a fun litmus test for you. Is this poster right, or wrong? http://i.imgur.com/cIiJ1Sy.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 12:37 AM
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Probably. Do I think Feminist Boyfriends/Husbands are fulfilled and happy? No. No matter the circumstances, the "Women should never be judged harshly, and men should always be judged harshly" duplicity would tend to suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 11:33 PM
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On The flipside, men aren't socially obligated to support a woman after having sex with her. Puritanism world demand it from men.
/r/TheRedPill24/07/15 10:33 PM
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Way I see it. Those accused of rape, should have at least as much rights as someone accused of murder.
/r/MensRights24/07/15 05:18 PM
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Sounds kinda gay.
/r/MensRights24/07/15 12:18 AM
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I.e. The real thing that could pop that bubble.
/r/TheRedPill23/07/15 10:32 PM
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And women don't use dread on men? Heck, virtually every women's magazine had headlines of how to manipulate a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 04:37 PM
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i categorize men who use TRP as losers because they use tactics to manipulate women into sleeping with them All men use tactics to get women to sleep with them. And how would you differentiate "manipulate" versus influence or marketing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 04:20 PM
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I'd argue they are both true. However I'm curious your logic on why women would be inherently more morally restrained than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 08:58 AM
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Interesting. So not so much "impossible" as it is unlikely, and probably a moot point. And if anything, only really worth thinking about when you yourself have aged out of dating the pre-wall age girls. (I.e.50ish) Can't seem to poke a hole in that logic. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 11:00 PM
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Well, ignoring probability. As a thought experiment, imagine a formerly promiscuous girl wanted to become a redeemed "RPW". Is that even possible? And if so, what would that look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 10:51 PM
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Essentially it's saying that studs are inherently high value men, that have a lot to offer to society and women. But that sluts never had much of a challenge, and therefore never had to develop valuable skills. And that society needs more people who have more to offer than just their bodies. Which should logically follow that it's theoretically possible for women to develop themselves in a similar manner. But RP essentially claims that's impossible (or at least very improbable)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 10:38 PM
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Looked it up. It's a well-worded version of "good key, bad lock". But I guess I'm looking for how RP says a bad key can become a good key. But argues that a bad lock has no clear path to become a good lock. And more emphatic sections of RP argue a bad lock can never become a good lock.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 10:26 PM
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Primarily with a laptop hdmi-ed to a tv, with xbox controls Bluetoothed in, and 30+ four player steam games mind you : P If I could play Smash4 on PC, I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 09:40 PM
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Yup, me I'm a slave to the morality of strict egalitarianism/humanism, and empiricism. A built-in devil's advocate. AWALT, on it's face is incongruous with those principles. But said this way, it works. Now I just need to tackle the sluts vs studs paradox. Or rather the redeemability of betas into alphas. But not the hoes into baby mamas. Which as far as I can tell so far is that promiscuous men don't weaken their pair bonding chemicals, women do. I'm sure RPW has probably figured that one out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 09:35 PM
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To be fair. It's not like women are going to avoid mercenary behavior, or mind games. Could just as easily reword it as opportunistic, and influential.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 08:53 PM
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So as far as I can tell. The raison de etre for the Redpill is that previous circumstances and culture were much more restrictive on women acting on their primitive urges. And that modern non-religion, birth control, progressive laws/institutions have freed women from those restrictions, (and the liability of those actions) Men on the other hand, don't have reliable birth control, heavy social stigma for caveman behavior, and sometimes draconian laws set against us when it comes to divorce/custo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 07:51 PM
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So would it be more correct to say AWALT = Assume all women have urges from vestigial cavewoman mental wiring. With varying degrees of mental and social training to control those urges. And that the context of "valuable man" is culturally and individually subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 07:11 PM
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Probably never gonna give up videogames, especially the "play on a couch with friends" variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 06:58 PM
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Comfort tests arise when she's feeling insecure about herself. Shit tests when she's insecure about you. That's a fantastic summary.
/r/TheRedPill21/07/15 03:46 AM
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In supposedly "Private" conversations, sure. But in a more public setting it would be inappropriate. Calling a guy a creep though, totally appropriate in public setting. The other caveat is that guys afford themselves to be more honest when drunk. Not because they are actually drunk, but because they have the social safety net of excusing away inappropriate behavior with, "Well I was drunk".
/r/MensRights19/07/15 05:34 PM
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Halo effect, yup. The difference is it's socially acceptable to call a man out for saying a woman is undesirable, and usually something understood at face value. The creep thing though is confusing, until you decode it's true meaning.
/r/MensRights19/07/15 05:28 PM
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I don't see a reason why not just give it to her, if it's trash to him. Oh wait duh. Frozen embryo != Frozen Eggs If they were just frozen eggs, I'd say give them to her unequivocally. For the other, she's essentially asking for the guy to be legally responsible for a child her doesn't even get to raise.
/r/MensRights17/07/15 04:10 PM
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More capable of using emotion, and perceiving it in others. (Mirror neurons , 9x more white matter, better wiring between brain hemispheres, encode and recall emotional memories better with their amygdala) However, using the male context. Perhaps less capable of exerting logical control over emotions. Perhaps "inferior emotional control" would be more apt?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/15 11:23 PM
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