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The college rate is 3women for 2men so in a generation or two it may invert to a large degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 06:46 PM
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" Straight men who are sensitive and artsy will be labeled as gay, and subject to homophobia, despite being straight. While other gay men, like “bears”, which are large hairy gay men, rarely receive any hate. Lots of people are reluctant to accept that bears are even gay." Sounds like the hatred is towards weakness, not homosexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:49 AM
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"but we have tried." This changes the context, particularly making your example not applicable since you did in fact try. As I stated in my more extended argument previously people are willing to overlook issues if their partner is trying their hardest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:30 AM
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I replied to the comment you made detailing your story. This was more to expand on the argument others made.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 05:12 AM
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I can't help but feel bad for your current partner though. Things not working out with an ex is not a really reason to deny sharing that experience with a partner who has an interest in it. Are there not methods you could use to make the experience more comfortable? Should you not at least try, even if your partner is going to be the only one getting pleasure from the experience? Does him being happy not make you happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 05:05 AM
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"woman regularly did an act she genuinely did not enjoy or want to do, purely for the sexual satisfaction of her ex, but won’t do it for you" I fundamentally disagree with your view of relationships. You don't always get to do only things you want or enjoy. Occasionally you will have to do things solely for the benefit of your partner, usually you are happy to do so because it brings them joy. Take a less charged subject like standards for cleanliness or hobbies. You may find your partners hobby…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:59 AM
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Guys aren't any different. Look at any captain save a hoe, it's cause the hoe is pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:24 AM
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I disagree, flaws become more acceptable when it is in spite of my partner's efforts as opposed to because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 04:58 AM
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So you are neutral, telling people to use their judgement. I don't get then why you are against people advocating their judgements.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 04:57 AM
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I am not either, my opposition was to your philosophy itself, not to the specific instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 04:55 AM
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Past behavior is an excellent predictor of future behavior as can be demonstrated by the statistical relationship between promiscuity and infidelity. Choosing to be willfully ignorant would to be against my interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:58 AM
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So given that, do you think you should be warning women against fuckbois or telling men to wife up hoes?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:55 AM
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"This is an issue of people lacking assertiveness and boundaries who accept less than they think they deserve projecting their anger at themselves onto their partner’s past." People are willing to compromise their ideals if they believe their partner is trying their best. Past behavior can act as evidence to the contrary and hence would be relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:43 AM
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"First off, you don’t want to know all the details." You seem to be advocating ignorance is bliss. I'd question that as a philosophy in life, would you extend the same to more extreme cases? Would past rape or pedophilia not be a concern? Would sex work, generic criminal activity not be a concern?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:40 AM
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"The are mad because women did the same things they did. The very same." Would it be fair to say you aren't against judging people for their past but rather hypocrisy of some that do?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:33 AM
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FDS is simmilar to RedPill in that there is value to be extracted. If you can do that without getting radicalized, all is well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 10:51 PM
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I think Kevin Samuels may be more up your alley.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 03:11 AM
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"Do you care at all about what kind of woman you sleep with or do you just want any pussy?" From what I know, any clean pussy works. The kind of women are irrelevant if they're just for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 09:17 AM
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Could a moderator verify if this is a troll?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 07:29 PM
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"Their depravity excites me." You're in part making the case for why segments of the population avoid people like you as partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 02:54 PM
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I think you should listen to your brother. Inaction is almost certainly going to be interpreted as callousness.
/r/RedPillWomen08/11/21 07:00 PM
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All my serious relationships although it's more as a part of general discussion of the past and experiences. Never heard of anyone asking casual partners. For the most part, yes I do believe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 01:26 AM
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It's a false dichotomy, they can do both.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 07:29 PM
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I think that falls under the umbrella of internet spaces OP mentioned. I kind of second his idea of guys like having sluts in their social circle but not for dating. I don't think women slut-shame much either. I think in large parts its a word people use to hurt irrespective of whether the behavior matches the description.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 01:28 AM
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You can never know for certain.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 12:42 PM
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It's the either or clause. I'm fine waiting if you are someone who made everyone wait (low n-count). I expect sex in the first few dates if you have been doing so previously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:23 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/qj6zlb/aita_for_removing_my_fiance_out_of_my_house_after/ The comments on this one should help
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 07:01 PM
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I think it's intended to make the past doesn't matter crowd pause and ponder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 06:59 PM
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Try r/AsOneAfterInfidelity. Change jobs, offer a polygraph test.
/r/RedPillWomen28/10/21 02:24 PM
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The tax the rich people would fall in the same category. I think while destructive, it's a pretty human response.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 04:34 AM
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I think the fallacy here is that attraction is based on availability. If everyone was fat, people wouldn't stop procreating but adjust their standards of attraction. Humanity survived fine through women with moustaches(prior to shaving being an option) or people with rotten teeth (pre-dental care) but these would make you near undatable now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 09:13 AM
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"Also, Jordan Peterson is not a hack." Pretty sure OP was being tongue in cheek there considering their argument is based on his work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 01:10 PM
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Not really. I think having a simmilar sexual history seems to be the most optimal way to mitigate sexual/retroactive jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 02:54 AM
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Yeah, this is my theory as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 02:30 AM
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When I started dating my husband, we had the chat on date #2 I know, that's why I don't think you're logic is directly applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 02:30 AM
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I do feel it's malicious considering their relationship dynamic. I agree with you that if it was general casual dating, it wouldn't have anything more than a mismatch of values.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 05:59 AM
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Were you sleeping with other guys while dating your husband? I don't really think your standards are applicable to her. Although your standards are very interesting. They definitely validate the AF/BB part. However, the reasons seem different than usual. Do you dissociate sex entirely from romance?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 05:42 AM
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I would agree if not for her withholding physical intimacy for 2 months from him while having sex with fwb. That's not really exclusivity, more so the difference in how she treats fwb and relationship. Also it seems a bit disingenuous or at least misleading of her to say she wants to wait and build intimacy before having sex with him while fucking her fwb.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 05:29 AM
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I agree transparency would solve things but shouldn't the transparency come at the beginning itself considering the dynamics of their relationship? Also I'd say it's more fucked up than just weird for her to be having sex with someone else while being romantically involved with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 05:12 AM
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Waiting for 2 months, considering how much time they seem to have spent together would indicate that she was misleading him about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 05:03 AM
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Fair enough, transparency would have solved the issue for OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 05:00 AM
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I think it's more so keeping the option open for the future and general reputation building.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 04:58 AM
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My issue isn't the transparency, it's the actions itself. She clearly deceived the OP by presenting as needing to build emotional intimacy before sex. It's the building emotional intimacy with one person while concurrently having sex with someone else, that's very duplicitous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 04:54 AM
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I feel that way too. What do you make of the exclusivity talk comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 04:43 AM
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The difference would be in the reciprocity involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 10:04 PM
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Pre transition absolutely. Post transition, maybe it's up for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 04:56 PM
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"if we promote marriages again the top men would be quickly married" I think this is a significant flaw in your reasoning. Promoting things don't necessitate their popularity. Childhood indoctrination can get you further but not by much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 06:10 AM
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You really don't think women would feel bad if they found out their partners were far more romantic with their exes than with them? (Assuming the woman likes more romance)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:17 PM
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A lot of studies use college students alone as a representation of the entire population.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 04:57 PM
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It would mean that I was never denied something she offered others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 07:30 AM
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I don't care about things I don't want like pegging. I care about things I want but not bad enough for them to be deal breakers. Those are ones I would care if she did with ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 04:19 AM
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"why would you accept a woman who didn't do it at all?" There are somethings I want badly and if those are absent, I would consider it sexual incompatibility and break up. Other things I really like and those are the ones I can compromise on. "Like why would it make it better if she didn't do it with an ex?" It would mean that I was never denied something she offered others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 01:03 AM
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"Would you be offended?" No but I would be offended as the girl if I found out my guy would do it with his ex but not me. "Would you want her to peg you because she enjoyed pegging her ex?" No, I would get offended if there were things I wanted that she refused me but did with ex. I would want it if I was into pegging though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 12:32 AM
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I think you are missing the point a bit though. This would be applicable if the guy wanted pegging but his gf who would do it with her exes refused to do it with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 12:20 AM
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I don't think so
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:47 AM
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just change reddit.com to removeddit.com in the hyperlink
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:15 AM
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I think this guy wanted her to have a past simmilar to his so the charge you are making is a bit unwarranted
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 06:43 AM
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Sounds more like he wants someone like him rather than want everything though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:06 AM
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That's pretty lucky, congrats by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 02:01 AM
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That wasn't my intention, I wanted to see people's view on dual mating strategy being more to do with women changing over time than dependent on the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 01:32 AM
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It would elicit more sympathy I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 01:03 AM
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I meant more so that you didn't have a period of your life where you were unable to get dates at all. Or maybe your husband doesn't have a significantly different past to your own
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 12:51 AM
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I agree that these are possible solutions, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:46 PM
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Again, I think it may have to do with him looking for serious things rather than inability. But you may be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:26 PM
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I think it's more the case he wanted a simmilar partner than a decent looking doctor can't find dates with hotter younger girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:20 PM
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"I’m not saying she didn’t compromise in some areas like maximizing raw desirability in a partner" Could you elaborate? I'm not sure where you are drawing the differentiating line.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:17 PM
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I have heard arguments about dual mating strategy being that the same woman will treat two potential partners very differently based on how she perceives them. This argument would mean that it doesn't depend on the guy but rather how she is at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:14 PM
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So we are in agreement?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:08 PM
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My speculation would be that he tried to but failed when younger. Then he went into serious relationships instead of rectifying his past issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:07 PM
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That may be a result of the difference between your experiences in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:05 PM
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"consideration that she’s not the same person either at 30 (or however old she is) as when she was younger, and her preferences may have shifted" I think this is what dual mating strategy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:02 PM
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Or he needs to spend some time, casual sex with younger hotter women before looking for something serious. Or he can look for a late bloomer simmilar to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:01 PM
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Or make up for your past by sleeping with a lot of younger hotter girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:55 PM
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I have heard it argued it's based on the guy but it may be based on the woman alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:54 PM
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Or find another late bloomer but your method is significantly more likely to succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:52 PM
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I don't think he's trying to recuperate his youth and that's the problem. If he was, he would be dating significantly younger and hotter girls. He should be done recuperating his past before looking for something serious. I think he wanted someone with a similarly sad past.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:51 PM
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I agree. "Dual mating strategies and inconsistent patterns are a real thing that men should learn to contend with." My question is mostly about this. Is dual mating strategy simply women maturing and growing up? Are men justified in being angry about women who wait at the finish line?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:46 PM
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The goal was to discuss whether dual mating strategy was really just women growing up and men's antagonism towards it is justified? Could you help me phrase the post better so I could get into that rather than people concentrating on the particular instance?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:37 PM
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That isn't something dual mating strategy excludes though. It would mean that the student preparing to be a doctor who didn't have the social capital or physical attractiveness of an athlete would not get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:34 PM
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I agree he was very rude. However he interpreted this as proof of her being simmilar to the type of girls who rejected him for the cool kids in college so I can sympathize a bit with the perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:28 PM
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I don't think the girl did anything wrong at all. The guy should have either chased skirts for a while before looking for something serious. Alternatively the guy should have looked only for girls who always looked for LTRs and was into nerdy guys all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:25 PM
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You are definitely right that we don't have sufficient evidence to decide one way or another about her type. I am making the assertion based on the bf's point of view and with the facts he has. He knows she dated athletes in college instead of guys like him in college and assigned her to a group based on that. I don't really think dual mating strategy excludes the athletes becoming a doctor, rather the doctor wouldn't get a date in college but the athlete would.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:39 PM
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If I thought she did something personally to him, I wouldn't be characterizing it as transferring resentment of a perceived group onto her. I don't think she did anything wrong. I think her tastes changed as she grew up. I think casual sex with younger, hotter women may be the best solution for the doctor. Looking around for women who always wanted LTR and nerdy guys is kind of a fools errand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:35 PM
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I also think he is transferring the resentment he had for the girls in college who turned him down for the cool guys onto her because he is realizing she was one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:30 PM
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I agree that having casual sex with younger women to 'make up for the past' may be the best course of action for him unless he wants to look for someone more in keeping with his ideals of a girl who always went for LTRs and with nerdy guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:28 PM
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I think he is transferring the resentment he had for the girls in college who turned him down for the cool guys onto her because he is realizing she was one of them. The type is referencing the social status and physical attractiveness as these were presumably the main issues faced by the boyfriend in getting dates in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:25 PM
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I agree that he was very rude. I also think he is transferring the resentment he had for the girls in college who turned him down for the cool guys onto her because he is realizing she was one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:23 PM
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I'm using athlete more for the body type and social appeal rather than earning potential as the OP's partner is looking at it. Physical therapist and Doctor aren't really the same work, particularly in earning potential. I will concede that obviously if her past was other studious boys like her current partner rather than basketball players, this would obviously not be dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:18 PM
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I don't think it's the fact of her having exes but rather the change in the type of guys she is dating that is the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:12 PM
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I agree a lot except for the last part. I believe the effort I put forth can change the human I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:08 PM
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So would you agree with my characterization of dual mating strategy as women growing up?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:07 PM
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I think AFBB itself is preferences changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:05 PM
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That's what I think it is too. Dual mating strategy is a reflection of women changing as they grow up and age rather than the malicious potrayal TRP gives it. I also agree he should spend some time banging younger women so that he can make up for his past before looking for anything serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:04 PM
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Men just like women want to feel special in the relationship and attach more value to sexual attraction than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:54 PM
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I'm googling and REM was the most solid measurement that I could get. Could you link to ones showing babies are only conscious after birth? Not doubting you, looking to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:01 PM
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Conscious and self aware should be related to brain development though, shouldn't it? I think about 7 months when REM starts for the fetes or 23 weeks when it's viable outside the womb should be the limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:36 PM
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Sex is only one facet of love, very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:21 PM
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I wish men were just affronted. A number of them take it as validation for more pernicious generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 05:03 PM
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Stay away for purge week. So much extremism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 04:30 PM
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If the alternate is having no blood in your body and being dead...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:15 PM
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But it isn't just incels who care about paternity though. Look through r/survivinginfidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:42 PM
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Sounds like cuck cope to be honest. I mean single men can still adopt, so even incels can be fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:21 PM
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Cultures are much more masculine so their failure is their fault. Although black culture is changing more now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:32 AM
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"I didnt need to marry anyone, but if I'm going to marry," Why? You could have the fun regardless with your slut
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:01 AM
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Cause you don't need to marry the slut, you can just fuck them...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:56 AM
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Why'd you marry a slut? Did you not have options or are you a cuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:54 AM
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Who makes more money? Do you have a pre-nup?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:47 AM
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What's your n-count? What's hers?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:47 AM
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How much do you guys know about each others past? Are you guys monogamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:42 AM
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How long have you been married? Do you have kids? How long did you date before marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:36 AM
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How did you guys meet? How old are you guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:25 AM
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Aww this is giving off a strange community feeling
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 12:16 AM
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"cuckolding" is a self degrading, humiliation fetish. The point of the fetish is that they have no self worth and are below others. Incels are angry losers but at least they have pride. They at least think of themselves as deserving of sex and love unlike cuckolds.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 07:24 PM
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I learnt Arabic in preparation for Islam's takeover of the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 06:48 PM
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I think it's a question of options. Women tend to have more options, therefore higher standards. Guys with options behave the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 10:48 PM
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Is ligma a greek letter?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 05:53 PM
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I don't think it's a gendered problem per se. No one likes to be the second choice. I'm not saying second choice to mean not as good looking or rich or funny or the like. I mean more so the partner feels they could have done better. For men, sexual activity that was enthusiastic for ex but denied to him is the trigger. For women, it's romantic gestures willingly made for ex but absent for her. People want to feel special and that is a part of the relationship, taking that away hollows out the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 05:51 PM
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Lying to strangers and lying to friends is very different. 43% of women are pro-life, you are highly overestimating the bonds of the sisterhood. I think they are genuinely trying to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 05:05 AM
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The generalization of women and the god made them that way probably rightfully triggered them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 05:01 AM
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"Women will give men whatever advice benefits them." I highly doubt Jessica is knowingly giving bad advice because her fidelity to the sisterhood is stronger than her friendship with him. Also Jessica stands to gain nothing from this regardless of how it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 04:32 AM
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True, if the guy has other qualities, social incompetence can be overlooked or reframed. But taking into account he is a 25 year old virgin, the flowers were inappropriate advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:23 AM
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Possibly however very few people overlook social incompetence in favor of genuineness and considering how old he is, he may be better off just playing to a bigger field.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:21 AM
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The flowers on the first date is part of the social incompetence though. That's mostly what the argument seems to be about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:51 AM
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I disagree. Their advice seems to be aimed more at improving an existing connection than creating a connection. Roses on the first date is desperate but roses on an anniversary are a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:43 AM
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They wouldn't know it though, I agree that it's not appropriate advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:40 AM
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25 year old virign, either ugly or low social competence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:36 AM
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I agree with you on the generalizations but the rest seems sensible to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:26 AM
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I agree with you on the messaging, particularly considering the gf was present. I disagree on women not giving good advice. It seems more to be the case that their advice is geared to how to improve a relationship rather than get a relationship. It's not wistful thinking, rather advice suited for a different stage in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:25 AM
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I'm not sure he doesn't buy her flowers or call her beautiful. It seems more the case he is saying you do not do it so early in the relationship. He characterizes women's dating advice as something that improves a relationship (what she wants a guy she likes to do) as opposed to how to get the relationship. I do agree with you on the generalizations made about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:22 AM
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That would be teaching sex, not how to get sex
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:19 AM
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"conservative city like New Delhi" New Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore and Kolkata are the most progressive cities in India with active night life and heavy participation on dating apps. Most of my friends are located there and either your clique was highly promiscuous or you are very wealthy. I've peddled some drugs during my undergrad in Pilani too but even then you are painting a far too rosy picture. I'm from a small town/village myself so odds are so will be my arranged partner. "college educated …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:14 AM
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What part of the boyfriends advice do you think is preaching asshole bad boy? To me it read like stop being so desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:01 AM
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Why though? I fail to see how his advice is off?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 01:00 AM
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I think the part about being a man desirable by other women helps is TRP. The part of women's advice being useful to improving a relationship (what they want guys they like to do) as opposed to being useless because women don't know what they want or they don't want to help seems against TRP, though not entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:58 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:54 AM
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On the first date? Feels very desperate
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:54 AM
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My worst case is an arranged marriage to some family friend from India so really not worried. Also the median number of partners for American women is about 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:53 AM
3

Could you tell me how the boyfriend is advising asshole behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:46 AM
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What part of his advice do you disagree with though? Flowers on a first date are uber desperate aren't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:44 AM
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Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach him how to fish...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:40 AM
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"this whole "ask the fisherman not the fish" logic" That's the thing, the bf's framing of girls tell you to do things they would like the guys the like to do explains why women's advice isn't wrong or ill-intended but rather meant for a later stage in the relationship. "I fell for the girls like assholes logic" The bf's advice doesn't seem to be an asshole though. I agree that love bombing is a tactic abusers use but isn't buying flowers and randomly showering compliments before any serious enga…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:33 AM
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I think you have to use the OP's boyfriends approach to get your foot in the door before becoming a proper boyfriend though, particularly if you are a 25 year old virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 12:20 AM
0

Very true. Take what you think is useful and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 10:34 PM
3

I would argue that it's your interest to have a happy partner and hence vetting for the same would be the rational course of action.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 05:35 AM
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Women ask as often as guys, particularly just around the time things get serious and dating histories are discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:29 AM
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Nobody is definitely untrue. There is data showing that this information has predictive value regarding your relationship. You choosing to be willfully ignorant is up to you but don't push that onto others. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/sexual-partners-and-marital-happiness/573493/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 03:26 AM
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Depends on the starting point. A morbidly obese guy has a lot more room to improve than someone who just lacks muscle definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 01:42 AM
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"For a women husband material may mean a men she finds physically attractive + a good investor." I don't think it's as gendered as it is a values question. If a promiscuous woman who hasn't slept with you calls you 'husband material', odds are it means unattractive but good investment long term (stability and resources). If it's a more commitment oriented woman, odds are it's a complement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 10:40 PM
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" "Based on your arguments would you agree that promiscuous people should only be pursued for casual sex and nothing more?" was an unkind assumption" What exactly was the assumption I made here? I was making an argument based on the assertions you made. There were no characterizations of you at all in anything I have stated?( I apologize if I have)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 10:01 PM
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I fall into the same group that assortively pair off. The more partners I have, the higher my tolerance for the same. My deal-breaker on the issue would be group sex, swinging, fwb, ons or any decoupling or romance and sex. "Probably makes more sense to assume you will exempt yourself from your own standards though." I thought we were having a civil exchange, no need for such unkind assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:49 PM
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" if you are a low-N person, why are you pursuing a promiscuous person in the first place?" Cause asking before establishing some connection seems too brazen and pointless to me. It's something I'm only concerned about if things are getting serious. " I have never dated a guy who asked me how many men I had been with. Are you outright asking?" I generally get asked when the discussion of past relationships comes up. It's 2-3 months into the relationship though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:33 PM
2

" you need a certain level of comfort and intimacy to totally open up enough to explore some of the wilder stuff." This is only true if the person isn't hypersexual though. "P in V is p in V. It's always best at the beginning of a relationship, any relationship, because that is when it takes the least amount of time to get fully aroused." Based on your arguments would you agree that promiscuous people should only be pursued for casual sex and nothing more? Also could you comment on the corollary…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:11 PM
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The post seems to bring out how different people describe "husband material". One way to see it is as a beta provider, who is nice but lacks any attractive qualities outside of stability and resources. Another way to see it would be without the negative connotations but just the valuable parts. I think the definition of the term depends on the user. If a commitment oriented person used the term, it would be a positive showing their interest in you. If a promiscuous person used the same, it would…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 08:27 PM
0

So then you can't make the claim of self awareness or experienced because she as you yourself describe is still exploring.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 07:31 PM
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"her current partner got to experience sex acts the old guy never did" This can't be true in your construction because she would have already experienced everything with previous partners. That is what experienced and self aware means after all. The flex is more so I got an experience her future partner is denied as opposed to the blowjob itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 06:59 PM
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I think there is a desire for relationships to feel special and for there to be parity in the relationship. So people having a preference for low n(simmilar to their own) can be explained by the latter and virgins by the former. Some comments below describing their preference for promiscuity is kinda baffling. I am sure there are legitimate reasons but saying they are inexperienced or it takes time and effort seems baffling. Exploring and growing together seems like a big plus to me and those ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 05:56 PM
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"Would you rather be the guy who's dick she never sucked, or the one that hated sucking your dick so much she swore off blowjobs forever?" Option B, I got to experience sexual acts with her that her future partner will be denied.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 05:20 PM
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I think you are in a rather small minority and that a majority of such people are very young. I think Bill Maher fears political backlash more than a blowjob drought at his age. Also seeing recent trends, young men seem to prefer masturbation to all the effort you and others like you went too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 08:52 AM
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Fame and money can open doors/legs that would be otherwise closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 03:07 PM
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It's to be expected though. Every ideology or hobby gets there eventually. I mean you could have written a simmilar post for feminism or even yoga.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:28 PM
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You are right, I'll add that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:15 PM
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I've been on this sub for more than a week. It would be weirder if the terms were still foreign to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:15 PM
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I've spent enough time on the forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:13 PM
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Promiscuity (high n-count, lots of casual sex) Financially irresponsible (bad credit score, ) Bad boundaries with friends (gossip) Inability to take care of themselves (hygiene, cleanliness, cooking) Disrespectful (to service staff, to my time) Poor discipline (excessive drinking/drugs) Ideologically fervent (religion, politics, feminism, TRP) Emotionally unstable (poorly handled mental health issues, very erratic behavior)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 06:11 PM
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"If their sex life has waned, it means it was decent before or felt more arousing to her before. Examine that. Chad has nothing to do with that." The beginning of a relationship is augmented by extra energy from the relationship and the partner being new. Hormones also behave differently at the beginning as opposed to once things are routine and stabilized. Chad's impact comes into play once that energy is lost and things become more routine. That is when internally comparisons to the past are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 06:02 PM
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I’ve heard the recurring sentiment that a man’s wife’s libido not matching his or being lower or being reactive is a result of her “fucking Chads in her youth” I’ve heard: “She claims her libido is lower and our sex life has waned over years, but she had a ONS before!!!!” I personally don’t get the correlation? Your post as opposed to preemptively excluding my argument, is directly in opposition to it. I am articulating the correlation you were asking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 04:35 PM
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Again we both agree that there are other factors that affect libido but surely you can concede that Chad's are also a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 04:26 PM
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I agree that Chad's need a roster and once in an LTR they will have frustrations too but that doesn't really affect the original point you were arguing against namely, "Her libido genuinely being lower than yours isn’t because “she fucked a Chad before”" Since we both agree that Chad's get more sexual desire and that this affects libido, surely it follows that her having been with a Chad affects her libido when settling for a less attractive partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 04:21 PM
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"Yeah that’s not the full extent" I am not arguing for it being the sole factor either as demonstrated by me using " this is in part an explanation". My argument is that it's a contributing factor rather than the sole factor. I'm by no means denying the biological differences (testosterone levels) you point out or the environmental (stress) or genetic causes (low libido runs in the family).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 04:12 PM
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Then it's fine waiting. The waiting is undesirable for something others could get for free and with little effort. On this category at least, you would have high relationship market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 04:09 PM
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The question is whether your standard was consistent. If you had previous hookups and such, then being the husband who had to wait is not desirable. The general preference from studies I have seen is for lower body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 04:05 PM
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"I agreed that a woman wants to have sex with someone arouses her." Exactly and this is in part an explanation for lower libido. Chad's are more arousing, hence get higher sexual desire. LTR partner isn't as arousing, therefore less sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 04:02 PM
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The lowered libido is caused in part by settling for a less attractive partner. You concede the partner is less attractive from Chad's get ONS but LTR partner has to wait a while for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 03:56 PM
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The argument of 'she fucked a chad before, hence low libido now' is not mutually exclusive with 'chad's need a roster for regular sex or they will compromise when married'. Your argument is not a counter for the statement you are arguing against. The 'she fucked a chad before, hence low libido now' is better summarized as settling for a less attractive partner will impact libido negatively. If I go from driving a Ferrari to a Tata Nano, I'm going to be far less keen on driving. I would be far mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 03:39 PM
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Technically studies do show that women on average are more compassionate, the problem more so is applying the average to individuals rather than evaluating each of them as individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 09:18 PM
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They will, just not first date sex like casual daters would.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:51 PM
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I think they prioritize chasing LTR over pursuing casual sex. That means they are willing to wait on the potential wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:40 PM
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I mean some guys prefer committed relationship to casual sex, particularly those that want a family and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:06 PM
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To be fair a lot of the "husband material" guys are looking for commitment like "wife material" girls. It's the people who indulge in casual stuff that don't qualify as either that would have an issue being characterized as such. I mean a lot of the husband material guys would be looking exclusively for wife material girls. Wife material girls don't put out early regardless of their partner so it doesn't affect anything. Those guys don't mind waiting for sex provided they think the girl hasn't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:28 PM
2

A lot leave the anger even without a partner. It's going from anger at life being unfair to accepting life doesn't have to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 07:42 PM
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I think most people do the SAHM specifically for childrearing and rejoin the work force after. It's another reason why childrearing is delayed so that the mother can establish herself in her career before hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 07:10 PM
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The improvement in financial situation is so that you can become a viable option for long term relationships with women who have high earning potential. You can't buy love but money gets you more consideration, and lets you qualify for a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 09:48 PM
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I think you are talking about a small subgroup of women who are hyper sexual and have very low sexual disgust. Most women prefer a partner who they trust before getting kinky. There may be some who do not want their kinks to affect their partners perception of them even some with kinks that may cause incompatibility. They may be another sub group who you are describing .
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 07:48 PM
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It's definitely possible but it is a disadvantage. Try saving to start investing, improving your financial situation will help improve your options for relationships with such women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 08:11 AM
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He has sold the most records of any rap artist ever. Regardless of our disdain for him, people like him and listen to his music. The sexualization of women is endemic to rap though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 08:04 AM
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I think a lot of things could be positives but they would depend on compatibility with you. TRP guys are assertive so you would need to be able to hold your own and have decent agreeableness. The benefit would be having a partner who knows what they want and will have direct communication. TRP guys would be high on physical fitness and professional ambition so you need to either be secure in yourself or ambitious yourself. This does mean that the guys will remain fit and earn money. TRP guys ten…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 07:44 AM
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"I get that there is the "anger phase" but some of these people never seem to leave it." It takes a year or two from what I have seen and by that time we no longer remember them to appreciate change. It's a lot easier to observe when you know them in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 07:25 AM
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That isn't quite true there has been significant change particularly after 2008. There's another commenter who mentioned change in financial situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 08:01 PM
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Obesity affects both genders at simmilar rates and anxiety affects young women at higher rates yet sexlessness is more prominent in young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 06:38 PM
0

"allowing women to work and be independent was a mistake" I keep seeing posts accusing people of saying this but never actually any posts advocating this. Are the mods removing such posts or are OP's just using hyperbolic statements for effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 12:35 PM
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I think the enjoy the decline is an argument targeted at trad-cons who want "Traditional gender roles would force men (and women) to marry young and be religious and chaste, instead of having any casual sex.". The "enjoy the decline" is referencing the fact that the trad con version is dead and gone and they should give up on that and enjoy what is available now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 01:55 AM
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I think this is a pretty fair representation. Has you making more affected your dating life at all? Does your husband make less than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 10:05 PM
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Did you read through the posts? None of them advocate against women having an education anywhere or even against them working explicitly. Also all 4 of the posts are by women, so you may be projecting more than identifying a trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 08:49 PM
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Stretching it quite a bit going from criticism of feminism and character traits to women shouldn't be educated or have careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 08:43 PM
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"which is being extrapolated to" If I was being unkind to OP, I would rephrase that as "being straw manned into". I do agree there is a lot of unfair and unkind stereotyping of career woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 06:58 PM
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Read through it again, the commenter and the one he is replying to are fine with career women as long as they pay for their part. Their ire seems particular to career women who want access to their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 06:56 PM
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Then we are in agreement that the OP's premise is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 06:52 PM
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Adding debt into the equation changes the picture though. You have changed a neutral thing into a negative. "This is a very, one sided gender has more power, mindset." I could very well classify your thinking as gold-digging using your partner for their resources mindset. Let's stick to the arguments instead of extrapolations. I'm not claiming that your potential partner making money is in any way a bad thing, my claim is that because there is limited access to that money and trade offs involved…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 06:12 PM
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I'm sorry I'm really not going to look through more comments for this search. I was trying to be generous and even added things I came across that you might have been referring to but in no possible way can this be considered a significant proportion of men when it's so difficult to find even one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 06:01 PM
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Men don't get access to their partner's money the way a woman does. They therefore don't value it when choosing a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 05:55 PM
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I went through most of the comments on this post and still can't find anyone saying don't work or get educated. " women should do the majority of the housework while they'll do the providing" I do see some tradcons but none of them argue against education or a profession. Their assertion seems to be they'll provide more money and hence their partner should do more housework. "a woman with a carreer is a negative" I didn't find any here but I think there was some TRP guy going on about how women …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 05:43 PM
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"it’s not like they don’t want their gal to work, it’s just they could care less about what she does" That's quite a bit different isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 05:24 PM
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I'm fairly active on the sub and haven't seen a single post arguing for women not to work or get educated. Where do you get the idea that a significant portion of men don't want female partners to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 04:01 PM
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This applies to some degree to the job market too, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 08:47 PM
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"81% of suicides amongst men are linked to relationship separation. What often happens when a man breaks up with a woman? He loses his self. He tied so much if it to the relationship. I’m not sure that’s right. I’m also not sure two people can’t maintain their “selves” and still be happy and fulfilled in a relationship." Add this to the post, I didn't really understand what you were saying till I came across this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:46 PM
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Could OP add reasons for why using pornography is not desirable in a partner? Not disagreeing with the general idea but I think it would make the discussion more informed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:22 AM
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That's a very harsh characterization. TRP from what I have observed advises to limit investment without reciprocity. In your case, the fancy dinner would have just been a coffee. After the first couple of drives, TRP would probably prefer having you drive to him rather than him continuing to drive to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 05:11 PM
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Pretty sure simping by definition is excessive attention and effort that isn't reciprocated. The reciprocity in normal relationships is what differentiates simping from genuine affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 05:00 PM
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"This weekend I will drive to his place" I'm pretty sure even the stricter definitions of simping won't apply since you are putting in a simmilar level of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 04:55 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 04:36 PM
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Could you go into why they were struggling? Also using personal experience to argue against data is a poor approach to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 04:05 PM
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There was a data set shared on this sub about how right skewed the sexual market is. Most people have few sexual partners median was 4 if I remember right. It's just that there are extremes with triple digits who lift the average. You are right about chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 03:57 PM
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Western woman are only 2/7th of the worlds women so not quite sure how it's a mute point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 03:37 PM
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I think the same is true for women. They tend to ask only if things are getting serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 03:05 PM
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Or you are from the 5/7th of the worlds population that has cultures that look at casual sex negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 03:03 PM
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For me it always seems to come up about 3 months in when discussions of past relationships also happen. I think it seems to become important when they think it may be getting more serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 10:23 AM
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"your definition is a bit outdated and the current definition is closer to a sub group that uses this 'knowledge'"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:57 PM
6

Even if I grant your premise, average women have one win(options) even if not their ultimate win(best option), whereas average men have neither(option or best option).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:56 PM
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All of the factors you mentioned only help in competition with other men. Average women will still have far more options than the average man. Hence, the positive you cite is rather miniscule.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:44 PM
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Yeah the OP however defines it as descriptive alone and from that point of view, it does become simmilar to social science.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 02:12 PM
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Reductionism at it's finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:45 PM
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Well defining Red Pill as a descriptive science does make it consistent with the pill analogy and Plato's allegory of the cave. I think your definition is a bit outdated and the current definition is closer to a sub group that uses this 'knowledge' simmilar to MGTOWs. The defining characteristics of the sub group would be striving to maximize your SMV, avoiding commitment when possible, making the trends from data and personal observations into generalizations. It promotes male hedonism and has …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:43 PM
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" You cannot enact TRP advice and expect to reproduce the same results with each different person you talk to." That applies to all of social science though doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:29 PM
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Could you cite the data too? I believe you are right, just want it for reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:08 AM
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Exactly, so very little will change for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 09:24 AM
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Pre conception both sides have power, post conception only one side has power.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 02:00 AM
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"Men are already aware that they have no say once the pregnancy starts" This is the issue though. Most men agree that it should be solely the woman's decision and because women have the power, it should be sole their responsibility too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 07:28 PM
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It's in regard to power after conception. Terminating the pregnancy is solely at the woman's discretion and hence she alone should bear the responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 07:26 PM
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"Men often can't verify that women are on birth control." Exactly, very little will change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 06:31 PM
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Cause abortion existed for the last 40 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 06:27 PM
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" we're talking about the path to getting pregnant here." Not really. Child support is post getting pregnant after all. The problem is that women can still decide whether or not to bring the baby to term. Men have no power in this decision and hence resentful of facing the consequences of the decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 06:25 PM
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How practical would it be though? Women still won't have the ability to verify.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 06:18 PM
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Well most of the men who suggest the "paying child support for unwanted children" trope as a societal issue are pro-choice. Since women have abortion, they have sole power in deciding if the child should be born and hence believe they should bear sole responsibility. The pro life types tend to be in favor of men meeting their moral and financial responsibilities or at least that's the position put forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 06:14 PM
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It will be irreconcilable for many, I agree but for people like me who believe the fetes becomes a human at some point in it's development(the law uses heartbeat, I would use brain development), rather than at fertilization(extreme pro life) or at delivery (extreme pro choice), this would be the key issue and where I can see consensus being built.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 11:57 PM
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Pro-choice people can continue to frame it from the mother's perspective but the pro-life people will frame it from the child's perspective. The issue will only start being resolved when the population starts to agree on when the fetes becomes a child. You can't really have discussions when there isn't a shared version of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 10:46 PM
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The majority of countries with black and brown majorities have severe regulations on abortion too, would you classify them as deplorable too? Try sticking to the issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 10:38 PM
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Moderate is generally used to differentiate between degrees of conviction in the ideology, like say extreme left and moderate left. Independent is for those who are neither left or right (back policies and principles from both sides).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 10:33 PM
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"And to be clear, its 1 person, Bette middler calling for this. No one else is calling for one so this is hardly women’s consensus to do this." I think OP is referencing the +10,000 retweets, +100,000 likes. " They are using a tactic they think might work" The tactic is literally using sex as a "reward/commodity controlled by women"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 10:05 PM
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Independents tend to be people with views from both sides. If you are thinking of people not aligned to either party, then the green party, DSA, etc. exist on the left like the libertarian party on the right. You are also ignoring the issue of extreme liberal views correlating with mental illness higher than other liberals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 10:01 PM
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"Conservatives are much less likely to get diagnosed" Even if you assume that, that would be countered by the independents. Their rate of illness is very close to conservatives though and it is only liberals who have have a much higher incidence of medical illness. Also within liberals, extremely liberal showed a far higher rate of occurrence of medical illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 12:35 PM
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1/n Two interesting findings thus far from my analysis of Pew's March 2020 COVID-19 survey. First, white (and especially 'very') liberals are far more likely than all other ideological-racial subgroups to report being diagnosed with a mental health condition. The more left wing you go, the higher the correlation is. Intersectional feminists are at the farther end of the left wing spectrum, although you are right that the data doesn't break down the data on those lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 12:26 PM
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That you may be onto a larger more general trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 07:55 AM
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https://www.wibc.com/blogs/mock-n-rob/pew-study-white-liberals-disproportionately-suffer-from-mental-illness/ The same seems to apply to feminism and liberal/intersectional ideologies in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 07:13 AM
1

I think his answer is your version of friendship. I agree with you that having boundaries in the friendship is the healthiest solution. Do you mind elaborating on what other boundaries you use, particularly against emotional affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 10:41 AM
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Or he's not really into the relationship and she's more placeholder than anything permanent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 03:37 PM
20

A lot of red pillers are like you. I'm pretty sure the US would have Medicare for all if the vote was only red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 02:32 PM
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You collect data on those variables. Age and education are directly accessible. Social class through wealth measures. Religiosity through church visit frequency and religious beliefs held. You account for them by using them when modelling the relationship. The fear is that these would add external variance but adding them in and then either removing them through hypothesis testing or including their variance in the model as a variable largely solves the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 02:26 PM
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Most of the studies adjusted for things like religiosity, age, social class, education and the like so while I concede that the studies show correlation and not necessarily causation, I'll have to reject your examples entirely. One of the posts from last month that aggregated a lot of such data: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ow27zt/summary\_of\_the\_academic\_consensus\_on\_the\_impact/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 02:12 PM
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I'm probably more purple than red or blue so I'll point to some things I've kind of changed position on. I've become more red with regards to avoiding potential partners with promiscuous pasts. Observations from my personal life were solidified by a good amount of data from this sub. I've become more blue with regards to feminists. I thought twitter and 4th wave feminism represented most feminists and they weren't viable partners but most in my personal life and even in convos on reddit are egal…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 01:57 PM
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Honestly I had some hope before starting to read the comments but it's largely useless generalizations. Most of it is conflating different sub groups within each gender or rephrasing the problems the other gender has into a non-issue or an extreme form that isn't prevalent at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 11:02 AM
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A good number of guys you date will only be looking for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 08:16 AM
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You're just taking away the ability of people who didn't win the genetic lottery to compete through effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:59 AM
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I think part of it is the recognition that being a single mom is a consequence of their choices. While not always true, this reduces sympathy and focuses on the objective disadvantages of dating someone who already has kids. I think another change is that men have become less reliant on spouses for emotional support (therapy, friends and online groups are filling that role to a larger degree) while women are less reliant on men to provide and protect them. The primary drivers for relationships a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 03:14 AM
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I meant this is why you should remain civil after a break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 02:02 AM
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Why you remain civil after a break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 12:16 AM
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Casual sex would become a new hobby. Rest of life carries on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 12:50 PM
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Could you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 08:46 AM
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I believe that 4th wave feminists are all leftists but a lot of leftists aren't 4th wave feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 05:39 AM
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"One has to consider that a low number of sexual partners is typical of conservative & religious cultures which also involve younger marriage age (less chance to gain experience) that also shame or even prohibit divorce. They also commonly enable or are part of abuse within marriage, allowing responsibility on the victim & this preventing them finding a way out" The problem is that the studies quoted account for the variables you mentioned already. Busby et al. set out to determine whether the n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 04:35 AM
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The problem is that the data already uses age as a variable so it's impact is already accounted for in marital satisfaction studies. My hypothesis is that the higher divorce rate at lower ages may be primarily driven by high n-count youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 04:31 AM
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Would you agree that the argument is wrong if ever stated and that promiscuity is a negative indicator for success in marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 04:23 AM
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“number of past sex partners shouldn’t matter” If feminism is only about female agency, then this statement would have nothing to do with feminism. I think u/DesperateTraffic3164 was criticizing the extension of feminism into such statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 04:20 AM
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You may be interested in Slavoj Zizek, he gives a good Marxist rebuttal to intersectionality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 04:17 AM
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I'm not sure how much of that is left wing as opposed to just 4th wave feminism. Agree with the rest though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 12:37 AM
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While I appreciate the research, the data pool is a bit too narrow to draw conclusions even if I am inclined to believe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 07:40 AM
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Very true but I started seeing general youtubers talking red pill, which is how I came across it. Aba and Preach is the biggest one I can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 08:09 PM
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To be fair, there's been a marked increase in their presence on Youtube as well, so part of it may be that TRP is increasing in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 06:39 PM
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Men are afraid of coming off as gay or effeminate so they aren't as intimate in their male friendships. Or it's just not who they are. Lots of women complain about their partners not being romantic too. I don't think people having different relationship dynamics is always indicative of a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 04:48 AM
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"Some surgeries fail. Caution advised." Is that a nice summation?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 04:45 AM
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I think the absence of addressing kinks makes your argument incomplete. If one partner's kink is not compatible with the other, they would have to give it up and this could very well be an issue worth breaking up over. "Sexual compatibility is a complex interplay of how you two mesh in many facets of life, not just how enthusiastic you two are in bed with each other. Besides, your enthusiasm in bed is also directly linked to how well you two interact on other levels in life, not just in bed. " L…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 11:48 AM
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Kind of like socialists living in a capitalist world. You know what you know but you still got to do what you have to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 11:39 AM
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This is a pretty good clarification. I'd just change Beta and alpha are traits to collection of traits. For example being short isn't an alpha trait but short people can be alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 11:36 AM
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I think sex robots will replace most sex work. I think sex robots will be far more proficient than humans can ever be at the carnal arts. So I really doubt society will turn out how you envision it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 02:48 AM
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I don't quite agree. Cooking and cleaning are essential, the difference in the degree of cleanliness is the issue. Some degree of cleaning is a necessity so the person with the higher cleanliness standards, who does the cleaning, would be doing both labor and hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 07:06 AM
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Universal scale exists for the population but not at the individual level. Adding some statistics resources could help PPD community.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:57 AM
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I think the argument is quality of life difference for people with lower cleanliness standards is minimal for living with higher cleanliness standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 11:52 PM
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I think distribution of labor may be an alternate to compromise. The person with higher cleanliness standards takes over cleaning and the other person can take on other tasks like cooking/grocery shopping.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 11:51 PM
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I studied in school just because I wanted to make my parents happy but it was definitely an investment for my future.
/r/RedPillWomen23/08/21 11:34 PM
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Women tend to do more to set up their guy friends too from my experience. I think it's more a case of how much involvement each gender thinks is appropriate in their friends relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 11:28 PM
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You can't really think attraction is a necessity for empathy. I think a person regardless of gender when seeing another person regardless of gender suffering, say grieving the loss of a family member, facing bankruptcy or homelessness, been in an accident or became an amputee, will feel empathetic. Put it this way, the red cross doesn't decide who to help based on a fashion show. Your issue may be poor communication or their distaste for you as a person or possibly them being abnormal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:39 AM
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Agreeableness (good conflict resolution and ability to compromise) Emotionally stable (absence of dark triad or bi polar issues) Financially solvent (can take care of her own debts and expenses) Moderately attractive (not obese or something like baldness) Loyalty and honesty (keep our secrets ours and avoid having secrets from me, avoid prioritizing others above our family) Socially competent (amicable with friends and family) Independent (has own friend circle, hobbies and goals) Not extremist …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:07 AM
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"This phenomenon is demonstrated by men who are labeled “Chad’s”. Chad’s don’t fuck ugly women." I was with you till here. Chad's do absolutely dumpster dive. It's like saying alphas don't pay for sex either. Spinning plates takes a lot of time and effort. The higher up you get, the less you can do it, so dumpster diving and paying become attractive options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 12:38 AM
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It would mean you will find fat women attractive, not that only fat women would be attractive at the expense of other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 12:31 AM
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They need to bring other things to the table. The problem is you think these things have to be faked as opposed to being something they worked on and improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 12:29 AM
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They have to work harder on personality. That doesn't mean fake. Women can put in the work and improve themselves just like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 12:28 AM
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"Seeing sex as transactional is harmful to both parties " u/Bandit174 was describing the different levels of attraction, at no point have they described it as transactional. "Also, even in this hypothetical relationship if the woman did not have casual sex with hotter guys in her past, she'd still make her husband do the same "work" to acquire sex as now." This again may not be true, if the value of sex the woman offers in her perception has been heightened by having more attractive partners, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 12:19 AM
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I think it's unfair to call someone who self identifies as having average smv as insecure. He's using personal experience as data which is probably the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 11:59 PM
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I don't think you should correlate attractiveness to character or personality. At least without data.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 10:54 PM
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Sex robots. Also male sexual energy is decreasing a lot too, so there may be different futures.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 10:02 PM
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Take your shot.
/r/RedPillWomen19/08/21 08:48 PM
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On those standards what you are saying is fair but the word itself would lose it's value as an adjective if everyone is hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 03:36 PM
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Alright I use an Iphone but I think the Chinese slave labor used is immoral. I have a saving account with a bank but I think they do a lot of immoral things like during the 08 crisis.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 03:24 PM
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I used opioids(given by doctors) after my surgery but I do think the Sackler family who caused the opioid crisis are immoral. I'm not personally against sex workers but I don't agree with the principle you stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 03:11 PM
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Wall-E civilization
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:18 AM
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Everything starts from only for the rich and becomes cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 02:56 AM
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You very rightly make the point about red pill that can be applied to literally any ideologies. Feminism, Religion, Nationalism, Socialism, anything really.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:38 AM
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"was just wondering how many would actually be able to hide their connections to a solider and if depending on the circumstances." You just need to make it past the initial blood letting, after that things settle down, either tribal elders or civil servants negotiate you an out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 03:55 AM
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" wouldn’t they bring them?" No cause fleeing soldiers and soldiers who surrender are still being executed. The only real path for a soldier to survive would be to flee and then erase his past as a soldier. For a soldiers family, the better you can hide it, the safer you are. Family staying with the tribe/ at their homes is far safer in Afghanistan than moving with soldiers as I understand it. Unless they had somewhere to go, taking their family only increase the risk. The people who have somewh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 03:22 AM
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That enslavement is happening regardless, the only real option is whether you can save your family from genocide.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 03:02 AM
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Yes fleeing because those identified as collaborated with US get their families killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 03:01 AM
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The Taliban didn't run slave markets when they were in charge of Afghanistan, why do you think they will do it now? Also the Taliban aren't ISIS raping infidels, the idea of mass rapes is more fictional than resembling reality. The majority are surrendering because their families and tribes are threatened with genocide. Valiant resistance will only lead to genocide.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:27 AM
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It governed Afghanistan prior to the US invasion. Also my main rebuttal is that surrendering is a better option at protecting your family when compared to resisting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:22 AM
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They are collaborating to save their family. Being heroic and resisting is going to end with your family being wiped out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:18 AM
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They are protecting their families by collaborating. The people who resist now/ supported the US in the past are going to be hunted by the Taliban.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:13 AM
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"Female submission on a Marco scale leads to failing society" The Taliban have more submissive women and they are winning. Taking such a complex geo political situation and reducing it to a women's issue is ridiculous. Most of the Afghanis don't oppose the Taliban because the government was seen as a foreign invader and populations across time seem to have a preference for their native tyranny over foreign freedom. "men flee leaving behind their wives and children to get raped, enslaved and kill…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:10 AM
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If debate is too stressful, maybe avoiding the debate forum for a while is best. Figure out the goals you want for yourself. Use the things you find that are useful and discard those that aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 07:25 PM
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This is a very nice but often overlooked clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:33 PM
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Yeah spending time together is pretty much how most humans bond. "The benefit for the woman is that you both spend together so he is still attracted in some way because of that?" The benefit women get from prioritizing marriage, simmilar to men, is having someone you love being with you. My initial response was aimed at the concern you raised regarding men losing attraction to their partner because their partner will age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:35 AM
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Exactly. Until they are single again, they prefer you (regardless of age) because of the bond built.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:22 AM
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"How does it benefit women to prioritize marriage if men will eventually want someone younger than you no matter what you do?" The marriage itself and time spend together make the wife more attractive than someone younger. It's the same reason you would value a friend over a stranger, but at a more significant level. Single men preferring younger women (there are men who prefer older too though less of them) doesn't mean committed men aren't attracted to their spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:17 AM
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I'm a guy. You don't have to pretend but I really don't know the reason why men opt to not turn to others outside of their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:09 AM
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I'm sorry you feel that way but men have friends and family to turn to. I think that men do prefer to deal with things on their own but I doubt it's because they have no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:15 AM
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I agree on the general trends you point out, how would stoicism look like for women though?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:07 AM
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One was a friend's dad and another was a close colleague so I had enough access to their life to know they weren't lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:52 AM
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Could you elaborate on the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:49 AM
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I don't know, I came across married RP guys (in real life) who call agreeableness as submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:31 AM
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Given your worldview, I agree that having different standards will be stupid. We agree a lot more than I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:19 AM
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Are you against casual sex (outside ltr) or against having different standards for pursuing different type of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:46 AM
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Where did you get trying to isolate someone from rejecting people who use blanket classifications of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 11:51 PM
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I am an advocate of stoicism too but why do you specify this advice to men? I don't think the benefits are gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 11:24 PM
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I agree. Every time I corner a RP guy on this, it boils down to agreeableness rather than submission.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 11:22 PM
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These are the type of people you avoid because being one mistake from becoming the out group never bodes well for long term stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 11:17 PM
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I agree that women don't want men for their promiscuity but the characteristics men need to be able to be promiscuous are attractive. Since women do not need such attractive characteristics to become promiscuous, they are seen as less attractive. It's correlation here rather than causation for women being attracted to promiscuous men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 10:04 PM
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How did you come to that conclusion? Surely you have come across people who are incompatible for a relationship but have good sexual chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 10:01 PM
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I agree that women don't want men for their promiscuity but the characteristics men need to be able to be promiscuous are attractive. Since women do not need such attractive characteristics to become promiscuous, they are seen as less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 09:54 PM
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Where do you live? Surely covid has shaken your conviction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 07:07 PM
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It feels like OP is realizing the people you want to marry and the people you want to have sex with aren't always the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 03:37 PM
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Women have more options hence higher standards than men. Some don't recognize their own value changing and options decreasing. hence becoming bitter. They are acting perfectly reasonably according to their circumstances, don't see why you seem so upset. Men with options will have higher standards too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:35 PM
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Technically lesbian relationships have higher incidences of domestic violence than straight relationships and gay men have the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 05:34 PM
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"I essentially say that having the ability to acquire sex is not only the main, visible advantage that women have over men in the dating world that all Red Pillers point to, it's not even a very attractive option for them." That is still an advantage that ugly women would have over men. "So, if you're on the wrong side of ugly, worry not, if you work on yourself, you've got a laundry list of other factors that will naturally make you more attractive." Even in the red pill quote you cite, it says…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:54 AM
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From u/Marino4K, "The amount of sexless men rising rapidly is the successful challenge to OP’s CMV. Almost any female can walk into a bar and if she wants to get laid, she will be successful if she absolutely doesn’t care who “answers the call”. Most men, even above average men can’t walk into a bar and simply get laid without some effort if they get laid at all, period." I think these arguments seem irresistible. Does OP/anyone on that side of the argument have a rebuttal? P.S. I advocate more …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:22 AM
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Love the scp reference
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:17 AM
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Yeah TRP is way too male centric for sure, but I doubt any of their message can be described as positivity. For me it sounded more like the world is shit so embrace hedonism and fuck commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:08 AM
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A lot of that has to do with the "past doesn't matter" arguments from the sex positive feminism groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:58 PM
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" male sluts, simmilar to female sluts aren't suitable for ltr." I think women are more aware of this than you give them credit for. Men kinda look up to male sluts because they need to be quite exceptional and put in a lot of effort to become such whereas women do not and hence looked down upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:53 PM
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Isn't that more a recognition of women controlling sex? Although I do agree male sluts, simmilar to female sluts aren't suitable for ltr.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:16 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ow27zt/summary_of_the_academic_consensus_on_the_impact/ This post accumulates a lot of data regarding the impact of promiscuity and long term relationships. Also I hope you don't take it as an attack specifically directed at women, the data seems to show that both genders are affected.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:25 PM
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Yeah, make divorces far less hostile.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 12:44 AM
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That's definitely fair. Sorry I misunderstood. "Now if we're in a committed relationship then I probably wouldn't be as cautious." If you recognize these as caution based on a lack of trust, would that not apply to passwords/ phone codes as well? How would your position end up different from someone arguing for transparency?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 06:48 PM
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Well good luck, some people learn from the mistakes of others, some choose the hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 06:44 PM
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If there is trust, why would you need the financial security from the contract? Are you also against pre-nups because of trust?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 06:30 PM
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" do you make your partner sign a contract too" You could argue marriage is one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 06:18 PM
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I advocate transparency with your partner. So while I think snooping is bad, I think open phone policies are more beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 04:52 PM
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"Disable fingerprint/face detection whenever I'm sleeping with someone Switch up your lock pattern every now and then" These sound a lot like the same lack of trust that should end a relationship in your opinion, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 04:49 PM
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This is literally my 2nd paragraph. We are in agreement on that. Where we disagree is that I think it's those qualities that make those men attractive for LTR and not the promiscuity itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 06:40 AM
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That's cause they have other qualities. Those qualities if present in a non-promiscuous guy would make him just as attractive like Keanu Reeves. I think there's more correlation too, guys need to have a lot of positives to be able to become promiscuous where as women need very little, so promiscuous men are still seen as attractive for LTR when compared to promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 06:25 AM
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The idea is women find male sluts sexually attractive simmilar to how men find female sluts sexually attractive. I agree with you that both genders view promiscuity negatively for long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 04:37 AM
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You have a 9/10 model escort, why waste time trying to pick up other girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 01:39 AM
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Does complimenting have to be gendered? This is from personal observation but if you offer compliments or positivity in general, people will reciprocate. Guys tend to prefer ribbing as a means of comradery building but you can just do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 10:45 PM
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You are using half the quote though. it's "don't listen to women, watch what they do". I think that's good advice in general. I think you are right that they take it to the extreme but the other assertions you are making are largely baseless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 08:13 PM
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"the probability of sexual infidelity increased with [a] higher number of lifetime sexual partners,” with a 7 to 13% increase in the likelihood of infidelity per additional sexual partner" https://doi.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2F0893-3200.21.2.147 “nearly half the genes impacting on infidelity also affect number of sexual partners.” https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/twin-research-and-human-genetics/article/genetic-influences-on-female-infidelity-and-number-of-sexual-partners-in-humans…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 03:27 PM
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You don't need enlightenment to control instinct. You are setting impossible standards to justify failing basic standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 03:20 PM
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"If you met two women, equal in all things, at 30, one was n = 3 one n = 30 and had to pick, pick the 3, but that's not usually how life works out." I don't think you should use it to differentiate between two individuals. It is a population statistic and should be treated only as such. Use it to generally avoid promiscuous partners but using it to reject an individual wouldn't be justified by that statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 03:18 PM
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Very true, my comment was in response to u/SonicBackScratcher and not to OP who himself has a high N.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 02:27 PM
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The goal for most people is happiness and since sexual instinct can be detrimental to happiness, it is something one has to control and your rebuttal to u/cherryloaf holds little weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 02:23 PM
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"But sexual instinct does not care about happiness or culture or whatever" As you concede, sexual instinct does not care about happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 02:09 PM
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What you are saying isn't quite true, n count by itself is a negative indicator for success in long term relationships. This post accumulates a lot of data regarding this: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ow27zt/summary\_of\_the\_academic\_consensus\_on\_the\_impact/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 02:07 PM
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It may just be what the groups generally find attractive, I think you are reading too much into gender norms or society. People don't care too much about height of strangers beyond a primary glance. Interracial or couples from different cultures are more likely to face societal obstacles than height difference couples. Also having the goal of power couple isn't ideal. Power in terms of societal standing may be more of a hindrance to your goal of overcoming height differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:44 PM
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"So then they argue promiscuous women struggle to pair bond, but what does the data say about promiscuous men?" Past Promiscuity negatively correlates with marriage happiness for both genders. The coefficient is stark for women but acting like men haven't evolved for pair bonding too is mostly just dogma. I found this post that accumulated a lot of data regarding this, so I'll link directly to that: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ow27zt/summary\_of\_the\_academic\_consensus\_…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 03:29 PM
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Thanks for clarifying, we are mostly in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 03:29 PM
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"It's saying that women want their long-term choices to be just as much of Chads" This isn't what the study says. It says women have much higher attractive standards for short term as opposed to long term relationships. You don't need to be a Chad to get anything long term. "Isn't this AF/BB strategy?" While your theory of self delusion is interesting, I don't see how it relates. AF/BB is that alphas get the fun casual sex and betas get only the long term relationship. The study seems to be proo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 03:06 PM
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Men have other standards too although less strict. Size and age come to mind. People (promiscuous women) who don't meet that standard will be upset and possibly lash out. Your "demand 6 foot, 6 inches, 6 figure men" statement is indicates you can sympathize.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 01:55 PM
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"We don't see a large "Chad" effect where women rate their own short term mate preferences as more attractive, although we do see that external raters find women's short term mate preferences to be more attractive.)" Isn't this the Chad effect? "Attractiveness was more closely related to women's short term preference for men (.61) than it was for women's long term preference for men (.35)." Isn't this AF/BB strategy? I'm not red pill but I do know some of it. The questions are genuine, not disgu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 01:07 PM
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"The people conducting the survey didn’t ask married people how happy they were, shoo their spouses out of the room, and then ask again. Dolan had misinterpreted one of the categories in the survey, “spouse absent,” which refers to married people whose partner is no longer living in their household, as meaning the spouse stepped out of the room." Those who never did will also fall into the spouse absent category.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 03:29 AM
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Because you would no longer be sharing a household
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 02:49 AM
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No longer living with? My entire post was about older women never living with their new partners after divorce. They date them, they make out with them, they have overnights, but they are not taking care of their SO's residence, picking up his socks, etc. This is literally no longer sharing a household. "you can do what successful people do now. Look for your equal, be an adult." I agreed with your conclusions from the beginning, just saying the arguments you used were faulty and that your frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 02:38 AM
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Yeah it was meant for u/coldestblack "I think it might be women don't like men anymore. I mean more and more of em are becoming bisexual and dating other women. Even trannies don't like maleness, as there is a disproportionate amount who go male to female rather than vice versa." Sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 01:12 AM
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The problem with your hypothesis is that more men are coming out as gay than women coming out as lesbian. Bisexuality is far more common among women but there doesn't seem to be a preference for male of female partner in this group.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:56 AM
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OP is literally in response to another post. You attributing such motives seem to be more an indication of your own insecurity as opposed to OP trying to prove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:51 AM
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Trying to reject the data OP sites with personal experience is silly even if your conclusions are valuable. If you understood the misunderstanding Paul Dylan made, the group you refer to "the rest maintain their own homes" would be in the unhappy group of "partner is no longer living in their household".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:48 AM
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Just a general note, please add the TRP content creators who you are arguing against. I occasionally watch some but haven't come across this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:35 PM
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"I see so much content from RP gurus about how all the women on OLD are old, fat, single moms, or have some other dealbreaking undesirable trait" Is this true? I follow some TRP creators but never seen this. I have heard that bars and clubs are better than OLD because they require less effort. Also from what I gathered post wall doesn't mean leftover in the sense that no one wants them but rather the people they want and used to want them in return no longer want them. Personally OLD is if you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 07:20 PM
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Your statement doesn't exclude his statement from being true. He is indicating that rapists tend to be serial offenders.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:23 PM
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"Why is dating older men eliminated as a possibility for single women in their 30s by the RP?" The wall indicates people in simmilar age groups view you as less desirable in RP. It's indicative of a shift between the type of attraction you receive when young vs when older.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 03:10 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:54 AM
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That would make it simply anecdotal though and make the arguments using this far weaker than they should be. I have seen some of this where marriage seems to increase a guy's SMV but without some data, I can't really assert that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:31 AM
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" married men get approached more by women than single men." Not disagreeing but do you have any data for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:18 AM
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Tartars are an distinct ethnic and cultural group. Genocide by hunger is right, however they did target the Ukrainians specifically ethnicity during the Holodomor. Also the red terror under Lenin is different from the purges under Stalin. The Gulag system is entirely absent from your summation too. The imperial wars of conquest against the countries that used to be part of the old Tsarist kingdom is also missing. Shame you decided to ignore the example of Poland that shows the degree of sufferin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 06:17 PM
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The civil war ends in 1923. "modernizing to not be destroyed in WWII" You are incorrect about the time line. Hitler comes to power in 1933 as Chancellor. The 5 year industrialization plan started in 1928 which led to the famine. The civil war included ethnic genocides of the kulaks and tartars and imperial conquests of Ukraine, Belarus and the failed attempts at conquering Poland, the Baltic states and Finland. The red terror under Lenin immediately after the revolution, war communism where food…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 02:56 PM
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I'm talking about the time from revolution, not just from the Nazi invasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 01:00 PM
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I'm a cardholding member of the CPIM (Communist Party of India Marxist), there is a lot of academic literature about the societal impact of sovietization on Russian society from collectivizing child rearing, agriculture and the effects of the 'security state'. Family structure in Russia was very different from the rest of the world at least till Khrushchev's destalinization.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 12:28 PM
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"It was a family of farmers." Slaves of the state would be more accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 02:55 PM
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Has she tried asking without the ultimatum?
/r/RedPillWomen29/07/21 12:35 PM
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Well I first came across this in classical Marxist opposition to Identitarianism but JP too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 05:41 PM
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Nothing wrong with men not wanting to be settled for. Sometimes women do change though and resentment isn't gender specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 04:26 PM
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Precisely and these group categories interact and overlap with each other till your groups eventually become 1 person each. It's like using tree classification without limiting depth in Machine Learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 01:25 PM
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The validation seems to be in the opposite direction. "https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men" Also on the societal note collectivist thinking like "male privilege" is the core of the problem. Genders aren't a monolith, don't co ordinate behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:51 AM
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This isn't really true, men are significantly less emotional and need less emotional support than women. Neuroticism levels in psychological literature is very clear on this. "Why do you think men take an eternity to move on from breakups whereas women take a few months" This is just stereotypes, the data doesn't show a significant difference at all. The difference is that women have more options when moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 01:59 PM
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"men and women on a night will lead to some men fliting and interacting with lots of women as they try to attract a partner whereas some men talk to very few women (as in Japan and the massive depopulation problems they have there leading to economic problems)." How do you account for Italy having a population decline? It's the economic opportunity cost of having children that reduces fertility rates, not lack of flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 01:51 PM
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I think the self selection issue is in large part caused by Online dating rather than men. You made the right choice of surrounding yourself with good people but that doesn't work online.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:55 PM
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I disagree, if you are looking for something long term, natural beauty is far more significant than the enhancements. If you've lived with a woman, it becomes self evident that the make up isn't a permanent fixture and most of the time you are going to be with her in her natural form. The girl next door thing is more about low maintenance and the relationship itself being more special, the natural look is mostly a nice optional and not what got them through the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:00 AM
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"telling CF women they’d make JUST GREAT f%ck buddies as a way to imply they’re worthless as long-term partners and don’t deserve a LTR if they want one" The implication does not follow at all beyond the manosphere's hostility to commitment in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:48 AM
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Even if we agree this is the manosphere position, I don't, how would this lead to using. If you know what they want going in, it's your choice to engage, how are they using you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:39 AM
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It's consensual casual sex with people they find attractive, why do you keep referring to it as 'USED'?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:33 AM
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I don't really think they mention any of this. They promote male promiscuity and to avoid commitment, so CF women are great for that purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:17 AM
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Does the manosphere lambast childfree women? I thought they were described as very good casual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:34 AM
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http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1232690 The first study is very clear that both genders dislike dating people with high body counts. Studs and sluts both prefer dating people with lower body counts. " Average willingness ratings initially rose as past partner number rose, but then fell dramatically. For short-term relationships, men were more willing than women to get involved (although the difference was not large). For long-term relationships, in contrast, there was v…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:13 PM
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http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1232690 The first study is very clear that both genders dislike dating people with high body counts. Studs and sluts both prefer dating people with lower body counts. " Average willingness ratings initially rose as past partner number rose, but then fell dramatically. For short-term relationships, men were more willing than women to get involved (although the difference was not large). For long-term relationships, in contrast, there was v…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:09 PM
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Obviously we are talking about general trends and it does seem to hold. People prefer partners with fewer or simmilar number of past partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:00 PM
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There is another explanation for why women's products being more expensive. They controlled discretionary spending in households, so corporations invested more into female product ranges. While I agree with the rest, "Pink tax" is kind of bullshit. It's like saying why do rich people get more products that are of higher quality even if they are more costly, cause they have the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:58 AM
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I think he has wrongly gendered a behavior pattern that is common to both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:47 AM
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Like for sex means sexually attractive. Sorry if I was unclear.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 10:05 AM
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This isn't a gendered thing. Men like sluts for sex and more 'pure' women for relationships. Women like fuck boys for sex and nice guys only get relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:37 AM
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I agree that he is misusing the term but he did qualify his usage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:32 AM
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The operative word here is committed. The argument is that the things you gain from a committed relationship are available without the commitment, hence you pick the option with minimal risk. Agree with the rest though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:48 PM
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True and I did make allowances for that subset. I count myself among them to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:45 PM
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Isn't the argument why commit when you can get what you want without commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 10:52 AM
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I think the answer could depend on why she made that choice. TRP is generally against committed relationships so for the subset among them who want a committed relationship, it would be very desirable I guess. The idea would be that the relationship would be more special and her self control would be another positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 07:26 AM
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Cause the goal is to gain this power too, not to take away that power from women for TRP. MGTOW agree with you I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:49 AM
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Precisely my thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:37 AM
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The mistake may be that you are taking these statements as what they really think/feel. I have told skinny girls I like how petite they are and chubby girls how curvy they are. I just thought it's a nice thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:40 AM
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You could have summed it up as hypergamy is innate and not learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:33 AM
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"women can get sex much easier than men" It's not a call for action or asking anything of women. It's just recognition of a power imbalance that favors women. Men wish they had this 'power' too but aren't asking women give up the power or to do anything about it really.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:26 AM
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"women can get sex much easier than men" It's not a call for action or asking anything of women. It's just recognition of a power imbalance that favors women. Men wish they had this 'power' too but aren't asking women give up the power or to do anything about it really.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:24 AM
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"According to guys here, it’s soooooooo easy for women to get into relationships" I think the consensus is it's easy to get laid, harder to get relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:24 AM
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I'd just say there is an exception for that rule when both parties have kids of their own. Outside of that, yes but being beta isn't really an insult for women in the same way it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:08 PM
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Surely you can concede that the type of pedestal and the implications/ actions arising from putting them on the pedestal are significantly different. I have an old math teacher who I hold in high regard but I'm not paying for the nudes of a 60 year old woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 09:49 PM
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True but that doesn't address whether the hypergamy is innate or cultural. If we take it to be cultural then the study shows that this can change, but if we take it to be innate then lower rates of marriage or even pair bonding is to be expected and sadly there seems to be more evidence for this than the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 11:44 AM
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I think defining hypergamy using only the narrow scope of education covers up more than it uncovers. The time period here also corresponds to increases divorce rates, out of wedlock children, single parent homes(proportional) and decreases in marriage rates, birth rates and female to male happiness ratio. So the case could just as easily be made that women's hypergamy hasn't changed but their ability to fulfill it has diminished.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 11:27 AM
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Western Europe is great for casual dating but if you are looking for something long term, you are at a sub optimal place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 06:42 PM
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Same type of policies you would use to make the dating market more equitable. Doesn't the government control enough already? I agree with the sentiment and the need for social change but the government doing more social engineering is dystopian for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 07:56 AM
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The men employing game aren't looking for loving, trusting relationship. They just want casual sex and deceive and manipulate towards that end. Avoid these guys, my recommendation would be to date friends of friends or people with some proximity. Men cannot engage in such behavior if there is a cost to their reputation. However this 'game' does provide social skills and confidence so I do understand why men are drawn to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 05:13 AM
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Go through your studies again, I pointed out the parts that mention it for some of them in my comments, the rest I couldn't access the actual paper so gave up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:14 AM
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You are misinterpreting sexual attraction as desire for long term relationships. While men do look for sexual attraction in long term partners, being sexually attracted isn't indicative of a desire for long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:53 AM
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Guys with money for high end escorts regularly tend to go bride shopping in the third world rather than dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:43 AM
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Maybe you have outpriced yourself if the guy who met your standards ditches you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:47 PM
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It uses anthropology to see what patterns were evolved in humans. It correlates said patterns with neurobiology of humans and what evolutionary pressures would exist on humans as they were evolving. This is done for all animals but when extended to humans you suddenly lose faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:44 PM
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"Reverse engineering our current selves, to make assumptions about our ancestors" Do you believe in evolution at all or are you a world is 5000 year old type? This is a significant part of studying evolution itself. Look at things like genetic clocks that take current species and makes assumptions about ancestors to verify.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:38 PM
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Away for work? Most people didn't travel far for work and people didn't travel without family for holidays and things. Also outside of brothels finding someone to cheat with was near impossible for the regular guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:29 PM
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"Before men disliked having to be tied down to 1 woman (because it was "boring" and he never got a chance to explore!!!), so they'd have mistresses." This was literally something only the people at the top could afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:25 PM
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Evolutionary psychology is pseudo-science?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:19 PM
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130610084132.htm "Being young, single and having a low level of education were stronger risk factors for suicide among men" This group of men also have no access to casual sex and the study does not distinguish between single and sexless vs single but with casual partners. Therefore what you are pointing at is likely the desire for sex rather than for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:14 PM
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youtube.com/watch?v=jzxVEK2ytb0 The video doesn't really link to the actual source and I wasn't able to find the data so I will leave that alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:06 PM
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-how-and-why-sex-differences/201104/why-dont-women-ask-men-out-first-dates This one again simply shows the social norm of men being initiators in relationships and not any correlation towards a desire for anything long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:57 PM
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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224545.2010.522626?src=recsys&journalCode=vsoc20 I couldn't read beyond the abstract but again, this seems more to verify the social expectation of men leading in relationships but otherwise there being no significant difference in attitude towards love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:45 PM
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/men-and-women-cant-be-just-friends/ Your first source uses romance as a euphemism for sexual relations and not as an indicator of interest for long term relationships. "Daily experience suggests that non-romantic friendships between males and females are not only possible, but common—men and women live, work, and play side-by-side, and generally seem to be able to avoid spontaneously sleeping together. However, the possibility remains that this apparent…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:42 PM
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As such, it isn't that women are lured in by mysterious DT Sigma/Alpha pack leaders. It's simply that DT individuals have lower standards. If the manosphere accurately presented the DT-sociosexuality relationship, it would look something like this: "Lower your standards and fuck gross people." This is what explains the high body count of DT people. A second mediating variable of DT traits examined in this research was mate value. Mate value was measured by the Mate Value Inventory, which is basi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:35 PM
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You can't "go backwards" and infer someone is DT by their behavior OP is doing the same for TRP though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:20 PM
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In reality I think men want relationships more than women do.I wrote a comment under a different post with studies and statistics backing up what I'm saying.I think the most compelling evidence to prove this comes from evolutionary psychology. The one you mentioned here. You are conflating attraction to desire for a relationship. This paradigm while true in the past is no longer true because sex is available without commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:06 PM
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I agree but that line of argument invalidates all the inferences OP has drawn
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 06:57 PM
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The study you cited in the comment talks about attraction not relationship desire. The article you cite in OP describes men falling in love at first sight based on physical attractiveness. This is the equivalent of lust . https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/meet-catch-and-keep/201801/is-love-first-sight-real So you are making the case for men preferring casual relationships, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 06:46 PM
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Wouldn't this reasoning invalidate all the conclusions you drew about the RP crowd as well though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 12:36 PM
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Wouldn't this be evidence to avoid women with high body counts too?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 12:05 PM
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"In reality, and at least in my anecdotal experience. Personality (which for most people is easily interchangeable and adaptable when needed), is the probably the least important trait in dating, at least for long term." What was the anecdotal evidence that led you there? It's a rather massive claim you are making.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:08 AM
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Egalitarianism as opposed to fourth wave feminism. I'd go with that. Also happiness studies data exists from long before the changes in mental health have come up and you have avoided that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 07:33 PM
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https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/Intellectual_Life/Stevenson_ParadoxDecliningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whats-happening-to-womens_b_289511 https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/over-50-percent-white-liberal-women-under-30-mental-health-condition The overall happiness of women has declined consistently declined with fourth wave feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 06:59 PM
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“if I have to go on more than one date with a woman to fuck me then that’s bullshit because she fucked other men before” While I agree with a lot of what you are saying, I don't think this addresses the point you set out to address. I'll try making the case for why I think this sentiment is recurring on this platform. I think both genders want to feel special in their relationship. You state that "men need physical intimacy before emotionally opening up" and I agree with you on this Just taking …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 10:04 AM
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These are effectively how deeper issues tend to manifest. The actions themselves are not equivalent and I apologize if that's how it came across.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:26 AM
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I think your best bud is spot on. His system for the most part is applicable irrespective of gender. Alcohol, drugs and procrastination aren't gender specific problems anymore. I'd change gangs and video games to peer group and social media. The second point, earned self-esteem and discipline are great things to instill in boys and girls alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 06:58 PM
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I just want to disagree with the insinuation that prostitutes aren't great at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 06:21 PM
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I do think there is a difference. Problem behavior typically in boys manifests as physical aggression and for women as promiscuity. It's not really the standards but the way the same problem manifests that causes different approaches to solving it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 06:14 PM
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I'm referring more so to the ages at which different levels of education are conferred and the difference in physical growth and brain development between the genders at corresponding ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 06:49 AM
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Very true but this doesn't change the genetic variation between males being higher and that the extremes where the significant contributions to society come from will be dominated by men. However our current education system does favor women so that should make the difference less significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 05:36 AM
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I agree with everything you stated except for a few points in the last paragraph. "(see the prevailing myth that men are better than women in math)" It's not really a myth. The bell curve is true and the extremes will be dominated by men. "Also, men still refuse to raise children" Again there are biological factors that disadvantage men with regards to care taking but they still do raise children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 05:30 AM
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Stereotyped because more people who look like you tend to be fuck boys. It's wrong but if people don't have the time or inclination, it does reduce risk of heart ache,
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 11:06 AM
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There have to be more fuck boys than guys like you for the stereo type to exist. It's effectively batesian mimicry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 07:08 AM
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If this is a consistent standard then it would be a winning one. I mean unless it comes out that you didn't make some previous partner wait, this could work as a very good filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 12:00 PM
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Well the land ownership may have been an adjustment due to conscripting levy and the reduction in life expectancy of men. Ancient Sparta allowed for both genders to inherit but since the men were more likely to die, women who would remarry would be accumulating land from different partners and leading to land being accumulated into the hands of too few people over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 10:34 PM
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True there is a lot of misogony on the TRP forums. In general they spend too much time talking about women although from personal experience, most people come into such groups have al ready been burnt and find catharsis through this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 02:31 PM
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It's more to do with certain characteristics like confidence and social competence than the dark triad traits themselves even though these are more prevalent in such individuals. These traits give an advantage to initial attraction and casual dating. Nice men will have success too but the "bad boys" have the advantage particularly in terms of the number of available sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 02:28 PM
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With regards to how society evolved this way, men were more disposable and women were worth more as civilizational assets because of reproduction. Men were therefore charged with more dangerous responsibilities and to ensure they did so without issue, they were given a corresponding position of power. I don't think it's an issue of one gender dominating the other in a class struggle but rather the division of labor based on their value to the collective(tribe).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:40 PM
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I disagree with your assertion about TRP being instrumental to the DT traits. TRP is effectively an attempt at capturing those qualities without having to mimic DT traits. Great to see we are making headway by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:33 PM
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Cause the characteristics are confidence, physical fitness, social competence and financial success. Confidence and social competence are very high in people like this at least upon initial contact. Effectively the issue is you need time to be able to identify such people and they are highly capable at maintaining a great façade for short durations. That's why the proportion of people attracted to them doesn't change. However the group of people who stay long term will follow the trend you menti…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:29 PM
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Read through the studies you posted. The characteristics we discussed(dressing better etc) are beneficial to initial attraction and help with casual dating with all partners. The studies you quoted, particularly the last one specifically mentions that the negative effects are in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:18 PM
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The studies OP posted, mentioned that certain characteristics associated with such guys provide an initial attraction benefit with all partners and thus helps with casual dating. Just responding to what was posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:14 PM
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I'm not a TRP guy, just that parts of it helped me so no need to make it personal. "You get women who are either fine with uncommitted sex or don’t know how to vet men for commitment." TRP advocates male promiscuity without commitment so this is exactly the type of women you want if you are in TRP group. I agree that the wall isn't only about the fertility/attractiveness of women, it's just as much about women becoming more focused on commitment. This isn't that "they aren't falling for shit", j…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:11 PM
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"The dark triad doesn't provide initial advantage though. The advantage is only because narcissists dress better, smile more and act funnier." I agreed, that was the last part of my previous comment. "TRP constantly fetishizes dark triad men and claims that they are more attractive, and that nice guys will only be able to be beta bucks" This just isn't true. The goal of TRP isn't to become the bad boy but to extract the parts of bad boy are beneficial. This is what you are arguing for too. I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 11:37 AM
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"these traits attract dysfunctional partners whether for LTRs or casual dating." This is untrue, casual dating is unaffected, it only comes into play in long term relationships. If TRPs engaged in LTR, their sample would be biased but they don't. I do however think TRP have a blinkered view of women but that seems to come from experience prior to finding TRP rather than a function of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 11:29 AM
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The studies show that men who spin plates and engage in casual sex attract all kinds of women for the short term. The studies shows that the ones who stay long term tend to be hot messes. TRP is against commitment or anything serious long term, therefore the negative effects will not befall them. However the worse part of the OP's assumption that "dark triad characteristics" are correlated to TRP is completely unsubstantiated though. They have cracked "womankind's code" in the sense that their s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 11:20 AM
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"They clearly show that being a psychopath and sociopath is detrimental", you continue to associate these with TRP without any evidence. My argument is that your studies do show that nice guys come in last because of the initial advantage to short term relationships that "dark triad characteristics" provide. It is definitely possible that you can get those advantages without mimicking the "dark triad characteristics". I think TRP in large part is an effort in that direction, which I think is whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 11:15 AM
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Very true which is why I have to challenge you on your underlying claim of equating TRP with dark triad characteristics. Again the studies you quote literally concede that for the short term, these characteristics are beneficial. "bad boys" get laid more but can't hold on to a long term relationship. This is literally what most TRP people articulate too, although they attribute the failure to the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 09:25 AM
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The studies you quote concede that "dark triad characteristics" are beneficial in the short term and harmful in the long term. The short term benefit suits the TRP people who promote male promiscuity without commitment. TRP types won't be affected by the long term consequences because they aren't there long enough. I think the assumption you make of TRP being a symptom of " dark triad characteristics" is severly faulty too. TRP doesn't have any stance on altruism(charity work) at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 09:19 AM
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The studies you quote concede that "dark triad characteristics" are beneficial in the short term and harmful in the long term. The short term benefit suits the TRP people who promote male promiscuity without commitment. TRP types won't be affected by the long term consequences because they aren't there long enough. I think the assumption you make of TRP being a symptom of " dark triad characteristics" is severly faulty. TRP doesn't have any stance on altruism(charity work) at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 09:19 AM
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"The more humble among us can take heart in knowing that despite these initial advantages, narcissists’ popularity tends to decline over time" Red pill encourages male promiscuity and avoiding commitment. So they would want the initial advantage and won't be there long enough to have their popularity decline. The studies you quote concede that "dark triad characteristics" give an initial benefit and in a sexually liberated society the initial advantage is enough to get what you want(sex without …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 09:10 AM
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Cosby Show. Family Matters. Fresh Prince all these shows have equally competent mom's so I fail to see how any of these redress the deficit created by shows like the Simsons. "The vast majority of the chest-beating manly-men I've ever known are proud dumbfucks, which will lead to a lot more fucking up and bumbling." This is just ignorant sexism like that from misogynists like those that clog up TRP groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 11:43 PM
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Really outside of Marge and Lisa, the only other admirable character was Apu. Flanders is a religious nut, Moe and Burns are semi evil. Literally everyone has character flaws exacerbated for comical effect except for Marge. And even in your defense, you accept that the character built to be a joke is a male and there is no female main character that is built to be a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:42 PM
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Simpsons, who exactly is the competent male opposite to homer's incompetence? You ignored the second part though that shows have every maternal character having at least a base level of competence. With regards to the gillette add: The first complaint depicted in the add, social media bullying is far more common problem among teenage girls than boys statistically and yet is ascribed to toxic masculinity. Criminalizing perverted/predatory jokes is the second one brought up. You can have your view…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:04 PM
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Simpsons, who exactly is the competent male opposite to homer's incompetence? You ignored the second part though that shows have every maternal character having at least a base level of competence. With regards to the gillette add: The first complaint depicted in the add, social media bullying is far more common problem among teenage girls than boys statistically and yet is ascribed to toxic masculinity. Criminalizing perverted/predatory jokes is the second one brought up. You can have your view…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:03 PM
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I mean most family sitcoms have a very weak and incompetent father with a competent mother. I was on your side of the argument till the Gilette advertisement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 09:05 PM
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The opposite of masculine in this context would be agreeableness not submissiveness. Agreeableness correlates negatively with corporate success though. It does correlate to larger social circles and higher levels of happiness overall though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 05:20 AM
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You seem to be placing a lot of trad con values mixed with PUA and terming that red pilled. RP seems to advocate male promiscuity and relationship without commitment. MGTOW's are not even for male promiscuity, just being a hermit with occasional relationship/ hook up to satisfy physical need. The only group that actively promotes commitment are trad cons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 03:16 PM
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RP guys are probably the most anti marraige/ anti commitment group online, what are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 02:00 PM
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"(RP) you don't have any risk of divorce rape as she and you make the exact same -- but you aren't in a superior leveraged wealth situation." From what I know RP emphasizes ability to walk away, not hold leverage over partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 11:18 AM
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I'm sympathetic to the idea but disagree with the efficacy. Most affairs by people in long term relationships are either drunken ons or long drawn out affairs where boundaries are crossed slowly over time without the cheater actively deciding to cheat till well into the affair. I think open phones act as a deterrence to engaging in inappropriate relationships(light flirting sort of stuff/ oversharing) and help partners from slipping accidently. It also helps to satiate doubts when they pop up wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 07:45 AM
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Hope this restores some of your faith in humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 06:45 AM
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It's a recognition of women's autonomy over their body. The mother once pregnant is the only person with the power to decide if the baby is brought to term. In that sense single fathers are seen as making the best of a situation they didn't have control over whereas single mothers are seen as bringing children into a sub optimal situation even though they have the power to prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 01:30 AM
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A lot of people look for people they perceive to be of simmilar value, not necessarily higher value. The best strategy would be to lock down a good guy early, people value those who were with them while they were building themselves up rather than someone they met at the finish line.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 04:32 PM
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"Choosing the right partner is PART OF being the master of your future. It's completely within your control to properly vet the person and learn what to look for, then manage the relationship properly in order to maintain it" All very true but people change and unless you exert severe control (which goes against red pill) there will be a large part of it that will be outside your control. "People who say it's "gambling" are the ones who don't understand or don't want to understand the skill in n…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 02:28 AM
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The only major difference I see is the partner. You can to a large degree be the master of your future but that doesn't hold for marriage because you can't control the actions of your partner. RP doesn't see much upside to making legal commitment when benefits can be obtained without the added risk. It's gambling because the risk is too high for the reward, not risk being too high despite a large reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 02:03 AM
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From what I've read, promiscuity is a good indicator of future infidelity so double digits would be an orange flag for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 11:44 PM
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I think it's a difference in behavior caused by difference in the amount of options. People with more options tend to be more picky and less patient. This is very natural human behavior for all races and genders but there are problems when the options need time and investment to be evaluated.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 11:35 PM
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Technically it's rape. It's a rare enough scenario that people don't really care about it. However if it went to court they would very likely rule in his favor. So it's like rape culture, pointless ,the people doing it know it's wrong and the legal system will get you justice. Don't take scripted TV to be representative of much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 11:27 AM
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Hopefully this was a learning experience. Cheaters in particular need to do a lot of self improvement before they can become a good partner.
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/21 07:12 AM
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Money speaks a lot louder than any degree. If the rest of you is solid as you say, you are 80% of the way there already. The degree mostly helps in putting you in proximity with other people with degrees, outside of that it has little impact on your dating life.
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/21 07:09 AM
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Why the hell did you get back together with such a basket case? Pick better or you are doomed to end up in simmilar positions again.
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/21 07:01 AM
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I would say another aspect is how you can communicate your passion for the hobby. Partners should and they tend to hear out your hobbies but you gotta meet them halfway and make it engaging for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 06:39 AM
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" In fact, the risk of divorce is nearly 33% higher when a husband isn’t working full-time, according to “Money, Work, and Marital Stability: Assessing Change in the Gendered Determinants of Divorce,” a 2016 study of more than 6,300 couples by Alexandra Killewald, professor of sociology at Harvard University." This is literally from a source you quoted, you really should read through sources before using them fallaciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 08:35 PM
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If women end up with the right partner, that would mean an equal number of men do as well for heterosexual women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 11:34 PM
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Mocking people for things they can't change is almost always an asshole move.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 06:26 PM
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I don't think it's anything against them as people, rather the complexity children add makes them less attractive prospects to people who have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:27 AM
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Not if their starting points on religion or politics are close enough for them to date in the first place. I think having people close to you with opposing views tends to moderate your own to some degree too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:14 AM
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I kinda disagree, people in a healthy relationship tend to grow together as in even if they reach different conclusions on issues, they have an appreciation for the other person's position. So life goals and morals are more likely to cause incompatibility than politics or religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:59 AM
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