ApprenticeOfTheGame Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
4	Going Out Tonight? Then Prepare to Succeed		ApprenticeOfTheGame	/r/seduction	27/04/19 09:31 PM
2	Understanding the "Friendzone" to Better Avoid It		ApprenticeOfTheGame	/r/seduction	27/04/19 05:29 PM

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2	[deleted by user] OP you gotta break the negative inner talk. Accept the place you are currently in your life. Understand that you can change it. You cannot keep beating yourself up like this and hope to make progress where you want to make progress. Take that negative inner energy, and convert it into positive active energy. Also, Todd V has a great YouTube video on how to be social titled “How to Never Run Out of Things to Say”. That is a good primer on small talk.	/r/seduction	26/09/21 04:48 PM
8	[deleted by user] You can’t go in thinking you’re going to lose. First, write down five reasons why you would be a good friend for someone to have. Next, write down five reasons why you’d make a woman’s life better if you were in it. Internalize that you are an asset to anyone lucky enough to meet you. Don’t be discouraged if people don’t see it immediately. Always remember that you will win in the end.	/r/seduction	26/09/21 05:16 AM
2	Trouble getting the second date Disagree with “needing” to have the first date at your place. That’s asking for failure because most women won’t be comfortable just coming over to your place haven’t having gotten to know you. Also, it’s socially uncalibrated because it looks like you’re just trying to have sex. You seemed to have come off to easy, a good way to make sure that doesn’t happen is to end the first date on a high note and have her wanting more. Then you can message her in few days (or she’ll message you if you play…	/r/seduction	25/09/21 10:22 PM
7	Are dance classes a good place to meet women? If you’re going to go into a regular dance class, you’ll be in a social circle there. You will meet a lot of women but you won’t be able to date many cause those women will know about the women from the dance class you take out. If you try to date more than a couple, you’ll get a reputation in the social circle and will have to start over. That said, you can date friends of the women in the dance class super easily. Plus those women will probably already approve of you for taking the classes (an…	/r/seduction	25/09/21 07:59 PM
1	Why do I attract trashy and unstable girls? What does it say about me? If what you mean by “attracting” is that these girls are initiating the conversation/relationship with you instead of the other way around, that’s because trashy/unstable (I.e. low value) women tend to do that. High value girls do not have to initiate, they have their pick of suitors that approach them on the reg. Thus, your problem is not approaching and gaming the quality of woman you want	/r/seduction	24/06/19 02:39 AM
2	Do women get an ego boost from rejecting men? You don’t want to validate them too much because you give your power away. A high value guy will create the narrative that this girl won him over, not that he won this girl over.	/r/seduction	31/05/19 11:06 AM
1	How do I be more guarded with my emotions and fall less hard for girls that are interested in me? Get a ton of women in your phone talking to you at once, best cure for oneism. Doesn’t matter how you do it: daygame, nightgame, online dating	/r/seduction	31/05/19 11:04 AM
1	I lose my skills when my more alpha friend is with me Used to have that issue with my tall, Mediterranean friend. I’m just shy of 5’8” but now I am the one choosing among the girls we talk to instead of getting the crumbs off his table. What you have to do is learn how to have the high value mentality despite what you perceive as your glaringly obvious weakness being put on display for all to see. In my case, it was my height, or lack there of. What you have to realize is 1) women know nothing of you (assuming your doing daygame or nightgame) and t…	/r/seduction	31/05/19 11:02 AM
0	I run out of things to say... Always go to the Toddfather first: https://youtu.be/oxOih6GwSXI	/r/seduction	31/05/19 10:56 AM
2	Going clubbing alone tonight, any tips? Wrote notes on this Todd V video on the topic, might help: https://reddit.app.link/tpvYDTviqW	/r/seduction	04/05/19 07:23 PM
1	Getting first dates, but not 2nd's. Yes, women smell desperation out because they are looking for high value guys that are not desperate, hence they know when a guy is desperate. Yeah, push/pulls are definitely a form of reverse psychology, but they indicate to the girl that you're not desperate enough to have to always say things that won't cause trouble. Remember, presenting value happens in many ways: you can directly show value by doing something impressive, wearing something expensive, etc. You can show value by your social a…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 11:05 PM
1	Getting first dates, but not 2nd's. That doesn't sound like a lack of narrative, that sounds like a lack of qualification and/or premise. Girls love the shit out of a guy who can play the guitar, but if you are coming off as "I'm playing this guitar just to fuck you, please, please, please let me fuck you," that won't help. Similarly, it could have come off as platonic, as people play songs for friends all the time, and carrying someone else is pretty platonic if it is like a piggy back ride instead of a wedding carry. Think back …	/r/seduction	27/04/19 09:52 PM
3	Getting first dates, but not 2nd's. Lightning strikes lots of different places, but it strikes lightning poles far more than random ground level targets. The point of game is not to win by way of numbers, but win by way of skill, to make your winning percentage much higher than it otherwise would be. If OP isn't pulling consistently, the consistent variable in the equation is OP and thus something OP is or isn't doing. Sounds to me like that is building narrative since he clearly is establishing enough premise and value to at leas…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 09:03 PM
0	Opinion: Low Bodyfat is more important than big muscles I think we have to agree to disagree on this point. Todd V has a good video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkzY4mGkBr0	/r/seduction	27/04/19 08:47 PM
1	Need bar/club help That's a tall order as you are asking for how to game generally. Here is a good primer on game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpmAWcMtBFw&t=164s	/r/seduction	27/04/19 08:43 PM
-4	Opinion: Low Bodyfat is more important than big muscles Get away from thinking about physic in general as a male looking to attract females: women don't think that way. What women are attracted to is the ability to acquire resources because human babies are incredibly resource intensive. That is why nothing beats high level game, which is exuding personality characteristics that of a high level male able to obtain resources easily. For sure, don't focus on game if you're noticeably overweight since it's a huge hurtle to overcome in the outset, but if…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 08:34 PM
24	ABQ Always Be Qualifying (Change your mindset) Love the mantra. You've gotta live and breathe this mindset. Affirm it if you do mirror affirmations, meditate on it if you meditate. Get it ingrained down to your soul.	/r/seduction	27/04/19 08:28 PM
2	Understanding the "Friendzone" to Better Avoid It Avoid being passive aggressive because that very much a beta characteristic. If there is something you don't approve of, say it in a push/pull: "Look, you're cute and all, but I don't think this will work out if you text during conversations with other people."	/r/seduction	27/04/19 08:16 PM
3	Avoiding the friend zone with a girl at work who has a boyfriend? Unless you want to remain friends (which is totally valid) then yes. And she will notice it being gone. Don’t succumb to giving it back. Maintain a light, flirty tone, but don’t get too wrapped up in helping her or being a shoulder to cry on. Also, good to let her see you with other women and balling out on social media	/r/seduction	27/04/19 07:49 PM
1	Escalating from email to meetup, while maintaining uncertainty? Of course man! Best of luck!	/r/seduction	27/04/19 07:46 PM
2	Understanding the "Friendzone" to Better Avoid It Answer to the first part: You’ve got oneitis, there’s tons of posts on how to help with that, just either let her go or tell her straight up how you feel. Second, that sounds like she had a legit issue to deal with if she explained what it was about. Generally, though, if she’s texting during dinner (or ever not paying attention to you) it’s because YOU aren’t worth paying attention to. That means you didn’t establish value. Engage her with a story that paints you in a good light without braggin…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 07:45 PM
4	Getting first dates, but not 2nd's. Sounds like you’re not establishing enough narrative and value on your dates. Girls don’t want to be in an interaction in which they’ll describe to others like “well, we met, talked, made out, and I let him in-between my legs.” They want a story, a narrative, where the overarching theme is “it just happened.” “We met and we just clicked, he just made me laugh, he just swept me off my feet, we just found ourself heading back to his place...” Add some more fun and narrative to your dates and you s…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 05:37 PM
5	Avoiding the friend zone with a girl at work who has a boyfriend? Don't provide her emotion support, keep her an acquaintance until she becomes single. Friendzoning is the male equivalent of "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" Guys who whore out their emotion support will be used without reaping sexual quid pro quo in the same way that girls who whore out their sexual side will get used without reaping emotional support.	/r/seduction	27/04/19 05:16 PM
3	Fucking depressed. Need Help He also probably has pedestal'd this girl so hard that he isn't even in love with her but an inflated image of her in his head. No other way to help him but to help him realize these mistakes and avoid making them in the future.	/r/seduction	27/04/19 05:12 PM
1	Anyone else having way more success now you wear a nice suit? If you are not having success when you aren't wearing nice clothes, then you need to focus on building value better in your interactions. Value is built by speaking in a slow, confident tone; establishing premise in a confident way; and making sure to escalate while disqualifying or push/pulling.	/r/seduction	27/04/19 05:04 PM
1	Escalating from email to meetup, while maintaining uncertainty? This video is about texting, but it should convert well enough to emailing as well. The TL;DW is that you need to identify where you are in the texting game and respond accordingly. Also, remember to frame interactions as "hey, I have this position of my girlfriend open, I'm taking applications, and I want to see if you'd fit the part." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZebLs6v7o	/r/seduction	27/04/19 05:01 PM
3	Fucking depressed. Need Help Agreed. Fap to get rid off the sexual desire, cut her from your social media by just removing her ability to come up without defriending her, and find someone new. Oneitis is tough but gets easier dealing with in time.	/r/seduction	27/04/19 04:59 PM
2	How not to come across as a zombie Opening up after having unintentionally ghosting someone is tricky. You can play it cool by starting a conversation with casting value into the void (i.e. sending her a message showing you're high value while also not requiring a response), or you could explain what went on in your life and that you're still interested. The problem with the latter is that you can easily come across as low value/needy/desperate so you have to make sure the tone is still that of "hey, I have this position as my gi…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 03:58 PM
3	What happened on the dance floor You were giving off a high value vibe and they were reacting to it. That's the mindset you need when trying to get the women you are interested in. It has been labeled "the abundance mindset" which means you view women as an abundant resource so there is no concern whether this one in particular likes you or not. Keep that mindset in every step of your game (open, premise, evaluation, narrative, close) and you'll start moving up in game.	/r/seduction	27/04/19 03:54 PM
10	How to initiate physical touch when she's sitting across me? It’s all contextual man, so I can't say without knowing the situation you’re doing it in and the girl you’re doing it to. What it comes down to is learning how to read the girl, knowing when certain actions will be well received and when you need to build more premise, value, and narrative before escalating	/r/seduction	27/04/19 03:06 PM
1	Creepiness vs. Comfort In addition to what has been said, creepiness comes from not establishing premise well. You want to give the interaction the tone of a tryout for the position of your girlfriend, thus you want her to know she’s being evaluated, but it’s not guaranteed she’ll get the part. When you don’t establish premise, the girl has to try to guess at why you aren’t being forthwith, and the only logical answers are a) you’re too beta to be straight with her or b) whatever your agenda is, it is so shameful that…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 01:42 PM
3	What to do after she flakes? Sounds like you didn’t build enough value. You also might have tried to close on a date before getting her to start qualifying herself to you (Todd V says you want to get her to qualify herself, meaning saying why she’s worth your time, once before closing for a date via text). Give it time, then start casting value into the void (I.e. sending messages that don’t need a response similar to a good Facebook status update). If you blew it completely, she will keep ignoring you, but if she’s interes…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 01:34 PM
1	Getting used to being thought of as attractive? Sounds like you need to internalize a high value mindset. You can do this with affirmations in the mirror (telling yourself ten reasons why a girl would be lucky to get you), by meditating (just a good skill in general but it will teach you to calm the inner voice) and by actively catching yourself each time you think of yourself in a low value way and correct yourself	/r/seduction	27/04/19 01:31 PM
1	Would/have you guys message a girl you know but haven’t spoken to? You’ve got to build value somehow. If you have a strong insta account, that can do it on its own. It would be better to initiate contact in person if you can since social media has a negative stigma about it, plus face-to-face shows a girl you have balls. If you do end up going to social media route, you have to do what is called “casting value into the void.” You need to send her a message that needs no response but that she will enjoy reading. This is literally what you do with a good Facebook…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 01:27 PM
24	How to initiate physical touch when she's sitting across me? You’ve got a few options here. If the space allows it, you could make an excuse to pull your chair closer to hers (showing her something on your phone, for example). A higher level move would be telling her to come closer to you, generally accompanied by a push/disqualifier since you’re escalating (Todd V says he loves to pull girls closer to him while smiling and saying “I fucking hate you” in a light tone). A third option is to pull to a new setting, for example, if you just finished dinner, y…	/r/seduction	27/04/19 01:19 PM