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| 0 | USA: Meghan Markle says men need to be 'more vocal' in wake of Roe v Wade and describes Harry's reactionSadly, her son will probably grow up and go full Andrew O’Keefe on some poor girl before Clem is investigated for child abuse. Even then I’m sure they’ll find a way to make it the patriarchy’s fault. | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 03:58 PM |
| 3 | USA: Meghan Markle says men need to be 'more vocal' in wake of Roe v Wade and describes Harry's reactionYou give her too much credit! What kind of monster of a mother — of a son, no less — would tweet shit like “covid isn’t killing men fast enough”? At least bats have… I dunno. A pulse, or something | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 03:48 PM |
| 3 | USA: Meghan Markle says men need to be 'more vocal' in wake of Roe v Wade and describes Harry's reactionDon’t stress mate. Feminists represent feminists no matter the nationality. You guys have yours, meanwhile we Australian folk have ratbags like Clementine Ford. | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 01:16 PM |
| 2 | This sub probably isn't long for this world.I appreciate it. I’ve been thinking of contributing more to this subreddit in some meaningful sense. What particular part of my comment above would you be interested in me extrapolating? | /r/AntiFeminists | 29/06/22 01:04 PM |
| 11 | This sub probably isn't long for this world.No, parallel is very appropriate. Another suitable term might be “mirrors”. Your commentary is astute and very relevant. Take any misogynistic belief or statement and whether explicitly or implicitly there is a parallel or “mirror” which is misandristic too. Every malevolent or benevolent sexist attitude in one direction necessitates that there is one going in the other direction too. It doesn’t take many wrinkles in one’s brain to recognise this, which is why for decades feminist advocacy (taki… | /r/AntiFeminists | 29/06/22 03:01 AM |
| 0 | Does this include mountains of makeup? Because I'm still buying subway for lunch.it's the assholes trying to control peoples sexual intimate moments--and there are plenty of entitled, ignorant women doing it too. I think I see where you are coming from, but objectively it just isn't the case. The first premise that we'd have to accept is that abortion bans are controlling the ability of people to have PIV intercourse (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "sexual intimate moments"?). I disagree. For one, people can still have PIV sex. There are still contraceptive measures av… | /r/AntiFeminists | 29/06/22 01:01 AM |
| 11 | Does this include mountains of makeup? Because I'm still buying subway for lunch.One of the deepest driving forces of feminism is unmitigated female self-interest, keyword being unmitigated. Anything that gives feminist women the maximum amount of advantage and privilege and/or removes any and all accountability or responsibility for their actions and choices is fair game for feminism. All they have to do is pick the thing they are wanting, backwards rationalise with their patriarchy boogeyman to claim that men are somehow oppressing them, and use that to justify why they de… | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/06/22 11:17 PM |
| 35 | Does this include mountains of makeup? Because I'm still buying subway for lunch.That’ll show the “patriarchy”! | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/06/22 11:07 PM |
| 13 | lets talk about anti-anti-feminist.I examined feminist theory and doctrine and then looked at all the actions committed in the name of the ideology for the past 174 years. It didn’t square up with my values of egalitarianism and humanism. So rather than continuing to support an ideology that is responsible for promoting hatred of and discrimination against men and boys I decided I would prefer to maintain my integrity. Hence I am now anti-feminism. | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/06/22 08:46 PM |
| 11 | lets talk about anti-anti-feminist.It is a well known trend in the MRM that many MRAs and anti-feminists were originally feminists that became self-aware. I’m the same. | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/06/22 08:35 PM |
| 2 | lets talk about anti-anti-feminist.The short answer to the question though for “what side are you rooting for?” is for most people going to be (whether they are conscious of it or not) the side they perceive to be offering them better privileges/advantages/opportunities/protections at any given moment. There absolutely are people motivated by a sense of fairness, egalitarianism, justice, and integrity though. The way you differentiate the two is fairly easy. Consistency of values is key as well as opposing double standards. A rea… | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/06/22 08:23 PM |
| 3 | lets talk about anti-anti-feminist.The answer is going to vary from person to person and vary wildly depending on: 1) IQ, 2) Skill in critical thinking, 3) Values framework (specifically relating to justice and ethics), 4) Level of self-interest, 5) How much of their Ego is tied to their belief systems/label, 6) Level of gynocentrism or gyneolatry With optional extra factors such as being or becoming a victim of trauma, suffering PTSD and/or a deep “schema” break. For example, people with below average IQ and nil critical thinkin… | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/06/22 08:17 PM |
| 2 | I wish feminists would just be honest and say they want superiority and not equal rightsWell said. Whether by denial and clarification — or by candour and good faith — she could easily dispel any misconceptions or misinterpretations as to her position or intent. The lack of either is really quite incriminating. | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 04:10 PM |
| 5 | "Men get to just walk away". Watch how this TV talk host blatantly disregards the fact that men are forced to be fathers post-conception (7:56)it’s a less invasive procedure for men to get an abortion from a urologist i would argue that it’s easier and more reversible than tubal ligations etc Assuming you mean vasectomy here, it is still beside the point and the issue at the heart of the unequal reproductive and parental rights between men and women. If women want 100% of the rights over whatever pregnancy might occur, and 100% rights to do with the baby whatever she wants -- whether it be aborting it or keeping it, then logic follows … | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 09:58 AM |
| 3 | "Men get to just walk away". Watch how this TV talk host blatantly disregards the fact that men are forced to be fathers post-conception (7:56)vasectomy is reversible That's a myth. It can be reversible, but it is not guaranteed. Even if it were it hardly negates my point. and women aren’t as easily able to get tubal ligations. (less reversible than tubal ligation) most doctors want the women to be married or already have children to get a form of sterilization This is due to individual doctors and the same is true for vasectomies, you just don't hear people talking about it. I've experienced it myself when I went for a vasectomy at 24… | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 09:37 AM |
| 12 | "Men get to just walk away". Watch how this TV talk host blatantly disregards the fact that men are forced to be fathers post-conception (7:56)When women who weren't ready to be -- or didn't want to be -- mothers (and science made it possible in the cases of medicine) they were given the options of: Various forms of contraception Tubal procedure Morning after pill Access to safe abortion (though obviously this is now not available in every US state) Safe Haven Laws (legal anonymous abandonment after birth) Adoption And in some cases are protected by infanticide laws that protect women who murder their children under 12 months of age fr… | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 02:35 AM |
| 2 | Okay. Which is it? “NO uterus, NO opinion?” or “Your silence is deafening” ? It feels horrible to want to speak up and know that if you say something slightly controversial you’re shamed, but if you say nothing you’re still shamed.It’s both OP; feminism hates “tyrannical oppression” but when you consider the trend of their rhetoric over the last 174 years it all points to a totalitarian demand for compliance. They mean it when they say “no uterus, no opinion”. But they also mean it when they shame men for being silent. It’s their long way of saying the silent bit. “You are only allowed to think the way we think and do as we say.” | /r/MensRights | 26/06/22 11:45 PM |
| 2 | I wish feminists would just be honest and say they want superiority and not equal rightsThen what do you believe if you don’t believe in common feminist theories or feminist ethics? | /r/MensRights | 26/06/22 11:40 PM |
| 2 | I wish feminists would just be honest and say they want superiority and not equal rightsI doubt it. I get the feeling she’s in the age bracket where she is still incapable of independent thought. | /r/MensRights | 26/06/22 11:28 PM |
| 2 | All women that said "no uterus, no opinion" and are now begging for mens support on abortion can go shove it.That's good. Glad to hear it. But that also necessitates -- contrary to your statement earlier in response to u/shit-zen-giggles -- that the issue of bodily autonomy and the rights of the father to choose to exercise his right to abrogate responsibility for a pregnancy he doesn't want is an issue directly related to the issue of bodily autonomy and the rights of the mother to choose to exercise her right to abrogate responsibility for a pregnancy she doesn't want. | /r/MensRights | 26/06/22 07:24 AM |
| 1 | All women that said "no uterus, no opinion" and are now begging for mens support on abortion can go shove it.Great, so you spent all this time saying men should be able to wash their hands of legal responsibility for the child If consenting to sex is not consenting to parenthood, as you agreed it wasn't, then it stands to reason that so long as this is the case for women it should be the case for men too. That is equality. That is egalitarian. Abortion is essentially a woman's method to abrogate responsibility for the child. It stands to reason that men also have a method to abrogate responsibility too… | /r/MensRights | 26/06/22 07:06 AM |
| 8 | I wish feminists would just be honest and say they want superiority and not equal rightsOut of curiosity, what does this mean? I actually came here to try to humanize feminists What's the intent there? Do you want egalitarians/MRAs to not criticise feminism on the grounds that it might upset some feminists? Oh, and as an aside, this: and hopefully engage with people willing to have an actual conversation Is utter horseshit, and you know it. If you feel ashamed for running back to your support network at 2X to cry about how mentally draining it is to try to gaslight the big meanie M… | /r/MensRights | 26/06/22 05:27 AM |
| 16 | I wish feminists would just be honest and say they want superiority and not equal rightsThe core theories at the heart of feminist ideology [Feminism] promote anti-male sentiments. Not all feminists are motivated by a hatred of, or contempt for, men and/or masculinity, but the ideology never fails. Many iconic feminists from first wave through to the current day, including feminist organisations such as the NOW, and individuals like Mary P Koss, demonstrably operate on the belief that men are cruel tyrants. Many other iconic feminists took the theory of "The Patriarchy" and other s… | /r/MensRights | 26/06/22 03:18 AM |
| 2 | All women that said "no uterus, no opinion" and are now begging for mens support on abortion can go shove it.Great. Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood. This means that when a man and woman have sex neither the man nor the woman are consenting to becoming a parent ipso facto. And if a pregnancy were to occur, the woman possesses 100% of the rights and agency to do with that pregnancy what she wishes, whether that means taking the pregnancy to term or not. If it is the woman’s sole right to do what she wants with that pregnancy, logic dictates it is her sole responsibility too. Now, in places wh… | /r/MensRights | 26/06/22 01:35 AM |
| 2 | All women that said "no uterus, no opinion" and are now begging for mens support on abortion can go shove it.Yes or no, is consent to sex consent to parenthood. If we are discussing the distribution of rights and responsibilities we need to be definitive. | /r/MensRights | 25/06/22 05:12 PM |
| 5 | All women that said "no uterus, no opinion" and are now begging for mens support on abortion can go shove it.Great. Is consent to sex consent to parenthood? | /r/MensRights | 25/06/22 05:09 PM |
| 5 | All women that said "no uterus, no opinion" and are now begging for mens support on abortion can go shove it.So demonstrate your understanding. If a woman falls pregnant after consensual sex, do you agree she should possess total rights over what to do with foetus growing inside her? | /r/MensRights | 25/06/22 05:06 PM |
| 10 | All women that said "no uterus, no opinion" and are now begging for mens support on abortion can go shove it.Do you not understand the concept of rights and responsibility? | /r/MensRights | 25/06/22 02:32 PM |
| 4 | I am a trans man and I am going to spit out some truth as someone who lived both realities. (long post but worth it)You must not have received your Male Privilege ™ Card in the post yet. Have you checked your letterbox? It might be worth giving the folks at The Patriarchy Inc. a call if it's not there. | /r/MensRights | 25/06/22 03:52 AM |
| 47 | Confirmed woman, Got invited to a group on FB, called 'I MISS THE DAYS MEN WENT TO WAR AND NEVER CAME BACK' I'm gonna say pretty confidently-There's about a 0% chance a group called 'I MISS THE DAYS WE COULD LOBOTOMIZE WOMEN FOR HAVING OPINIONS' would be allowed.The second you are ashamed of sharing an immutable characteristic (such as sex or race) the bigots win. Don’t be ashamed of having a vagina. Don’t be ashamed of being a woman. You. Are. Not. Responsible. For. The. Actions. Of. Any. One. Else. Identity politics can go fuck off and die OP. You are individually you, and just by virtue of being a woman does not make your sex or your personhood any less by bigots and sexists who happen to share those same traits. | /r/MensRights | 24/06/22 12:15 PM |
| 2 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?Rape culture? Patriarchy. Male privilege? Patriarchy. Toxic masculinity? Patriarchy. Male tyranny? Patriarchy. Wage gap? Patriarchy. Male suicide prevalence? Patriarchy. Racism? Patriarchy. Homophobia? Patriarchy. Global warming? Patriarchy. Misogyny? Patriarchy. Internalised misogyny? Patriarchy. It’s particularly funny being accused of copy pasting considering that feminism basically copy pastes “patriarchy” into every problem (real or perceived) one way or another, and have the audacity to be… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 05:23 AM |
| 3 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?They always do | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 03:54 PM |
| 4 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?Please, don’t think of it as stupid. If I had to characterise the situation, I’d describe it as symptomatic of gaslighting. Narcissists and manipulators are so successful in taking advantage of their victims because their victims are so unwilling (and frequently unable) to conceive of a reality where someone would be so deceitful and exploitative. This is my biggest shame. When I believed in feminism and the patriarchy and I learned that my then partner was pregnant, I hoped that it was a girl a… | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 01:35 PM |
| 6 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?You laugh but it has been argued by feminists that the concept and implementation of logic, objectivity, and even mathematics, are allllll tools of the patriarchy. I shit you not. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 09:32 AM |
| 13 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?The National Organisation for Women, one of the largest feminist organisations in the world, has actively campaigned against shared parenting and father's rights groups by characterising fathers as domestic abusers who just want to control and harass and further abuse the mothers. I went through family court too. That was my big eye-opening moment. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 02:04 AM |
| 13 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?Yeah. A bunch of copy and paste. Oh, right, so that refutes any of my points. Listen, the reason why feminists will keep seeing these rebuttals, and keep hearing about Mary P Koss, and other horrific people and actions committed under the banner of feminism, is because you folk will never address them. You can either address my points or concede you have no argument in response. Your call. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 12:56 AM |
| 23 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?When feminists do concede that the "dominant and tyrannical male power structure that runs society and subjugates and exploits women" can conceivably hurt some men, that is akin to telling someone to stop punching themselves in the face. It's worldwide mass gaslighting. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 12:52 AM |
| 17 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?No, but the belief in the flying spaghetti monster (otherwise known as "Tha Patriarchy") is a defining characteristic of Feminism, and thus, adherents to the ideology. You're probably thinking of coffee-shop feminists or useful idiots who claim the label without knowing anything about the ideology behind it and its dark history. The following is a very informed and highly reusable comment by Karen Straughan in response to a feminist who thinks the many blatant sexists among feminists aren't real… | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 12:49 AM |
| 18 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?So British MP and feminist Jess Phillips, who in 2017, openly laughed at a fellow MP's call to discuss domestic violence against men, health, suicide, education, and other issues facing men and boys on International Men’s Day, was not denying them? https://youtu.be/oL-uQqQxlJ8 | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 12:41 AM |
| 33 | Seeking insight from former feminist men or women on this site. How do feminists deny the massive number of facts showing men are disadvantaged?When I thought I was a feminist I did (objectively) zero research. I just heard the party lines and didn't question anything further. The majority of the real world is governed by the Overton Window, and any anti-feminist speech or sentiment is vehemently suppressed. What this meant was I never really had any cause or influence to investigate my beliefs. Most Australians are pretty relaxed people anyway, our culture here has a long tradition of disparaging and shitting on our politics, so the po… | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 12:35 AM |
| 1 | My mum doesn't believe men can get rapedPoe’s Law. | /r/MensRights | 20/06/22 04:54 PM |
| 10 | My mum doesn't believe men can get rapedOh, no way in hell can racism against white people exist. Racism is white peoples discriminating against black people (or other colours in the international box of crayons). Kind of like how Microsoft went super racist in 2020 when they announced they were beginning a push to hire white people for the following five years and pour tens of millions of dollars into it. Fucking racists, right? | /r/MensRights | 20/06/22 04:34 PM |
| 40 | My mum doesn't believe men can get raped“Sexism against men doesn’t exist.” Sounds pretty sexist to me. | /r/MensRights | 20/06/22 04:21 PM |
| 2 | I’d Give You an “A” – A Voice for MenI’m inclined to give that dad an A too. Very heartwarming | /r/MensRights | 20/06/22 07:47 AM |
| 2 | Babylon Bee: Spelling Bee Contestant Asks The Definition of “Woman”It’s one of the three Chinese curses. Very interesting stuff: https://www.liveyourmessage.com/3-chinese-curses-shifting-perspective-towards-misfortunehardship The subtlety of the curses is similar to one of my favourite covert burns/insults which you can use if you’re in polite company with an absolute idiot: “You, sir, are at the peak of the bell-curve of human intelligence.” Very satisfying when it is taken as a compliment | /r/MensRights | 20/06/22 07:28 AM |
| 5 | Yes, I'm aware there is more to it. Does that explain the woman's reaction however?Yeah, it’s a wild self-delusional coping mechanism. A list of things I’ve seen being called fatphobic in articles/rants from these folks: Regular chairs/seating at cafes and restaurants Airplanes Fitness magazines Doctors Any place of business that doesn’t have a disability ramp/escalator/lift for access (one of my favourite claims as that person apparently didn’t realise how dangerously close she came to self-awareness) Medical industry / doctors Dating apps “White colonialism” Tha Patriarchy H… | /r/AntiFeminists | 19/06/22 11:40 PM |
| 22 | Only because it's a woman are they caring. Not like the times we've called this out against boys and they tell us to touch grass and call us incels.22k upvotes and nearly 3 thousand comments in the space of 3 hours. The empathy gap is real. Edit: and in the time it took for me to type this 200+ more people upvoted. Amazing. Edit 2: refreshed. 400+ All within 3 minutes | /r/AntiFeminists | 14/06/22 03:34 PM |
| 6 | Slate - How a washed-up movie star, men’s rights activists, and true-crime fans duped America.Not banned, they just moved off reddit to their own website | /r/MensRights | 13/06/22 04:41 AM |
| 3 | What do we agree with feminism?You just described the entire feminist movement for the most part | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 02:53 PM |
| 6 | What do we agree with feminism?Feminists: we want equality! Interviewer: with who? Feminists: men! Interviewer: alright, what laws and policies discriminate against women that need correcting? Feminists: … Interviewer: … Feminists: … Interviewer: … Feminists: We want equality! Narrator: it turns out that they never wanted equality, because they just wanted special treatment. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 02:22 PM |
| 10 | What do we agree with feminism?Honestly, I am recently coming to the conclusion that part of the problem is that all the people who call themselves feminists don’t actually know what they’re identifying as. Just check out my comment history on feminismuncensored (a feminist debate subreddit.) I got into it with one of the feminist moderators there but the mod hedged so hard that I forced the mod to a point where they refused to respond further. I am strongly considering doing a piece on how feminist resistance of definition a… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 02:04 PM |
| 12 | What do we agree with feminism?It’s really quite simple. Most people don’t have any fucking idea what feminism is. Arbitrary figures to follow: 60% of people who identify as feminists are actually just useful idiots. They are actually egalitarians but they provide ballast to the bigotry of their ideology. 20% of people who ID as feminists have an inkling of understanding of feminist rhetoric and studies. Men are bad, right? Men rape women, batter women. When a man sees a woman he only sees an object with three holes that he c… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 01:43 PM |
| 16 | What do we agree with feminism?It is something that bears repeating. When you think about it, it was really clever for the feminist movement to co-opt all women’s rights activism and pretend it all fell underneath their jurisprudence. Same with all (quote) minority activism. By definition I am a women’s rights activist, and I am a men’s rights activist. Feminism can go, in the immortal words of Chet Hanks, go kick rocks with the rest of the SJW’s | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 01:35 PM |
| 8 | Found another way to blame men | Research says that men contribute more to air pollution than womenWell played sir | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 01:27 PM |
| 2 | What do we agree with feminism?That wasn’t early feminism though. You’re supporting the gift shop pretty postcard of feminism mate. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 01:07 PM |
| 58 | What do we agree with feminism?Feminism is an ideology first and a movement second. Feminist ideology is predicated upon patriarchy theory. Feminist patriarchy theory, which saw its roots in first wave feminism by virtue of of the declaration of sentiments (Seneca Falls, NY, 1848) and further codified by Kate Millett and various second wave icons, is fundamental to feminism as an ideology. Feminism is not synonymous with women’s rights activism. Feminism is not synonymous with egalitarianism. Feminism is feminism. We joke and… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 12:56 PM |
| 18 | Found another way to blame men | Research says that men contribute more to air pollution than womenUsername does not check out | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 12:47 PM |
| 38 | Found another way to blame men | Research says that men contribute more to air pollution than womenThis is the correct answer | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 12:42 PM |
| 2 | Female Teacher Gets Parole After Intimate Student RelationshipYou don’t think feminism steered society into two tiered citizenship and manipulated the law/legal policy such as to treat women with far greater leniency across the board? You don’t think that feminism is responsible for rape and sexual assault laws being so skewed and lopsided that most of the world don’t even recognise women as capable o; perpetrating rape against a man or boy? | /r/AntiFeminists | 11/06/22 12:20 AM |
| 2 | An old article, but proof she’s a man hating kvnt: School walkout on feminist Clementine Ford after she refuses boys’ questionsI love this. The utter silence from feminists is so telling. No disavowals. No indictments from feminist organisations or icons. “Not all feminists are like that”… “Not a real feminist”… Right. Sure. Not even kids are buying into the hateful ideology anymore. So refreshing. | /r/AntiFeminists | 11/06/22 12:16 AM |
| 4 | What does "personal responsibility" mean?I would love for the NOW to weigh in on “Fifty Shades of Patriarchy” to put the anti-porn vs sex-positive divide amongst feminists to rest for all time. | /r/AntiFeminists | 10/06/22 01:48 PM |
| 10 | UK: Girl who murdered her boyfriend with single stab wound to the heart appeals sentence. She has already been convicted twice of murder.Yeah, she had provided compelling evidence to prove without a doubt she was being strangled. Or at least, she had enough to meet the minimum requirement for proof in the UK. Her word. | /r/MensRights | 08/06/22 09:30 PM |
| 2 | Why do feminists think every issue can be solved by dismantling the patriarchy?Kyriarchy was coined by Elizabeth S. Fiorenza in 1992 as an extension of feminist theory. “More than merely naming the patriarchal disposition of traditional, limited biblical ideologies, she exposes their elitist, racist and classist nature, thus identifying them as kyriarchal.” Regarding Kyriarchy: “It is an intersectional extension of the idea of patriarchy beyond gender.” (From the Journal of Feminist Studies in Religion, Indiana University Press. 25 (1): 191–197) Ergo, kyriarchy is just int… | /r/AntiFeminists | 08/06/22 03:07 PM |
| 2 | Why do feminists think every issue can be solved by dismantling the patriarchy?Kate Millett knew exactly what she meant when she popularised the term “patriarchy” in second wave feminism. It is intrinsically anti-man. “Patriarchy” theory isn’t a typo where they meant something else. Even kyriarchy theory is a spiritual descendant of patriarchy theory; it was coined in the early 90’s as the intersectional offshoot of patriarchy. In other words, it’s just the patriarchy but it doesn’t only hate oppress women but any one else “marginalised” too (so long as they aren’t a heter… | /r/AntiFeminists | 08/06/22 02:05 PM |
| 7 | What feminists mean by 'patriarchy' is in fact: human society. Feminist's supremacism sees men as the cause of everything bad, thus the very imperfection of life is 'the Patriarchy'. Blaming the other for everything is typical of abusers; feminism acts as an abuser with all men.From the opening paragraphs of the Declaration of Sentiments, Seneca Falls NY, 1848, considered the first manifesto of first wave feminism: “The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her.” You might not have a problem with first wave feminism, but they sure had a problem with you if you were a man. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/22 12:54 AM |
| 5 | The title is very misleading. They implicated ONE woman, not all women.It has beyond a shadow of a doubt, and it’s true for girls too. | /r/AntiFeminists | 04/06/22 01:22 AM |
| 32 | No comment allowed and facts disposed of. Yes, according to 'The Guardian' it's all misogyny!I really hoped that was hyperbole on your part Tenchin, but no. Legitimate quote, and hardly the worst of them. Reading that article I could feel Orwell sitting on my shoulder and whispering warnings in my ear. Propaganda is becoming less subtle by the day, and I can only hope it is not becoming more effective as a result… | /r/MensRights | 02/06/22 03:31 PM |
| 7 | DeSantis: Fatherlessness Is To Blame For Far Too Many Of Society’s Problems | The Daily WireIndeed, and the men that abandon their children are individuals too. So then the question becomes; where is the incentive, and who is more incentivised to abandon children? Indeed, who out of men or women have greater control over their parental destiny? Who out of men or women have greater means to abandon a child they don’t want preconception, during pregnancy, and after birth? Who, out of men and women, are legally and socially endorsed in abdicating responsibility for children? And who, out … | /r/MensRights | 02/06/22 10:15 AM |
| 11 | DeSantis: Fatherlessness Is To Blame For Far Too Many Of Society’s Problems | The Daily WireDepends on what the premise of your question is. It might interest you to know that by rate women don’t pay child support more than men do. Is it societies fault that women are more likely to default on child support than men? Or is it the I individuals fault? | /r/MensRights | 02/06/22 09:52 AM |
| 12 | DeSantis: Fatherlessness Is To Blame For Far Too Many Of Society’s Problems | The Daily WireGoes to show how little you think of men and fathers that you assume that the default is men want nothing to do with kids. Your bigotry is showing | /r/MensRights | 02/06/22 09:12 AM |
| 15 | DeSantis: Fatherlessness Is To Blame For Far Too Many Of Society’s Problems | The Daily Wire100% Absolutely wild to me that people blame fatherlessness on fathers rather than a system and a culture that endorses and rewards (and even celebrates) single mothers. Means and Motivation are handed to women on a silver platter by the government, and moral righteousness and immunity granted to women en masse by feminist ideology. Shit is more inevitable than Agent Smith | /r/MensRights | 02/06/22 08:05 AM |
| 9 | A victory against the Feminist ideology: Depp WINS! Amber Heard FOUND GUILTY of defamation (Johnny Depp has WON his defamation case against Amber Heard. Heard was found guilty of defamation on ALL counts by a unanimous jury)!Or perhaps Misandristic Shenanigans & Malarkey It all works. Though I disagree with the above commenter who said the media is going to focus on the tiny slice that Heard “won”. I think most of the feminist controlled media is going to be (and already is in some places) using this an example of “patriarchy” and how our society “hates women who speak up about DV.” It’s like… no. Heard “spoke up” (re: lied) about DV 6 years ago and the world listened. People aren’t piling on Heard across the intern… | /r/MensRights | 02/06/22 07:21 AM |
| 8 | A victory against the Feminist ideology: Depp WINS! Amber Heard FOUND GUILTY of defamation (Johnny Depp has WON his defamation case against Amber Heard. Heard was found guilty of defamation on ALL counts by a unanimous jury)!Mainstream media | /r/MensRights | 02/06/22 02:02 AM |
| 5 | Why do so many of you see feminists as your opponents?Always has been. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/22 02:48 AM |
| 6 | Why do so many of you see feminists as your opponents?Here is a concrete example of just what men's rights activism means to feminism. Warren Farrell, as we know, used to be a feminist. He was the only man to ever be elected to the board of the NOW three times. He was excommunicated from feminism when he dared to open up the conversation to men and boys, and he is considered the father of the men's rights movement. Here is where it gets particularly damning. One of the founders of the NOW (and its first president) and iconic feminists of the second… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/22 02:27 AM |
| 34 | Why did the internet turn on Amber Heard?The creation of the memes, the merchandise, and the way the case has been consumed as a form of entertainment, plus the victim-blaming and diminishing of the problem of domestic abuse — the majority of people seem convinced that Heard is the baddie in this drama Quoted from The Times twitter feed. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure you can only victim-blame actual victims. I don't think it applies when someone wasn't, in fact, a victim. | /r/AntiFeminists | 31/05/22 04:11 AM |
| 2 | Just another reminder that feminists REALLY hate it when you point out that they use the same rhetoric as racists. (they then DM'd me with some BS about how they were justified in being a TERF and how evil MALES ran the feminist subs on reddit and blocked me)Eugenics or male population control has surfaced more than a couple of times in feminism. One of the earlier and most prominent calls for it was from Sally Miller Gearhart, one of the iconic second-wave feminists also responsible for one of the first women's / gender studies programs in America. She is responsible for the popular feminist slogan; "The Future Is Female", which you have likely heard before. "The Future Is Female" is a reference to her famous essay titled "The Future - If There Is … | /r/AntiFeminists | 31/05/22 04:04 AM |
| 4 | " I’m less interested in whether Amber Heard is a liar, and more interested in why so many people are invested in the idea that she might be." - You can't even question if a woman is lying, they all always tell the truth and would never dare lie about abuse, rape, or anything else ever! 🙄Lol, you say that ironically but there has been feminists who have argued that things like math, logic, and science are patriarchal constructs. I kid you not | /r/AntiFeminists | 30/05/22 08:25 AM |
| 2 | " I’m less interested in whether Amber Heard is a liar, and more interested in why so many people are invested in the idea that she might be." - You can't even question if a woman is lying, they all always tell the truth and would never dare lie about abuse, rape, or anything else ever! 🙄To the surprise of approximately zero people, Liz Plank majored in Women's Studies and has engaged in various feminist activities/pursuits over the course of her career, as well as writing a book on (essentially) how to save men from toxic masculinity. Peak feminism. | /r/AntiFeminists | 30/05/22 04:33 AM |
| 3 | The Johnny Depp, Amber Heard Ordeal exposes hidden truth about Domestic ViolenceYep. The ABC in Australia is joining the feminist bandwagon. It doesn’t even cross their minds that Heard could possibly be the abuser. They seem to use the word woman and victim synonymously. https://archive.ph/gdxra | /r/MensRights | 30/05/22 01:21 AM |
| 4 | I have no words for this — "How To Hurt Men: Self Defense for Women and MaGes"The best form of self defence is attack vulnerable parts (eyes, genitals, ears) and make heaps of noise, and run the second you get a chance to. And from there, your next level of self defence is putting 500 metres between you and the person who would do you harm, and then maintaining it. It’s not rocket science | /r/MensRights | 27/05/22 02:43 PM |
| 14 | I have no words for this — "How To Hurt Men: Self Defense for Women and MaGes"To an extent, I can only speak anecdotally. That being said… the best of the women I’ve ever trained or sparred against still don’t hold a candle to a man who is untrained and giving about 50% of his effort. I’m going to try to keep the following really short because “if you know you know”. Most 1v1 sparring ends up in grappling, throws, and submissions. For the purpose of training most parties are usually looking for body control. Self defence and multiple opponent combat training is focussed o… | /r/MensRights | 27/05/22 02:17 PM |
| 72 | I have no words for this — "How To Hurt Men: Self Defense for Women and MaGes"I’m ex military and formally trained in a few different martial arts, and have personally run self defence and combat training courses myself. Very typically there is some component “theory”, which involves demonstration and talking about bio-mechanics or something along those lines, but inevitably most courses end in a trainer and a team of supervisors splitting attendees into teams of two (unless you’re training one v many). If I find out that the “Smash tha Patriarchy with your Marginalised F… | /r/MensRights | 27/05/22 11:41 AM |
| 28 | I have no words for this — "How To Hurt Men: Self Defense for Women and MaGes"Someone please remind me, how is it we live in a “patriarchy” again? | /r/MensRights | 27/05/22 07:55 AM |
| 7 | Johnny Depp trial: how the judge ruled on 14 alleged assaults | Johnny DeppConsidering Heard has consistently failed to supply any actual evidence of abuse received during this defamation trial, one wonders how on earth the judge for the libel action managed to get to a 51% probability of finding him guilty of any of the accusations. Sounds like sexism and bias to me. | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/05/22 04:46 AM |
| 1 | Male domestic violence survivors say they feel the Depp-Heard trial is a turning pointAbsolutely, you’re right. When I said “she doesn’t need the money” I was referring more to her internal motivations. Needing money for costs is an external need, but I think her internal motivation is derived from her cluster B type personality disorders | /r/MensRights | 25/05/22 11:46 PM |
| 3 | Male domestic violence survivors say they feel the Depp-Heard trial is a turning pointOf course, the way I see it (and I could be wrong); as long as Depp loses Heard wins (in her eyes). She’s a narcissist. She doesn’t need the money, the counter suit is purely formality. What she does need is the world to see her as some noble and righteous victim. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/22 11:34 AM |
| 22 | Male domestic violence survivors say they feel the Depp-Heard trial is a turning pointIt’s less that they aren’t willing to accept they got something wrong, it’s more an incapacity to see how they can ever be wrong. Feminists are ideologically driven. Even now there is a recent post on TwoX of a lady struggling with cognitive dissonance since she has investigated the Depp-Heard case. She’s been abused by her female partners in the past and has seen it happen before, but she is struggling so very hard to force the proverbial “square peg” (men are abusers and women are victims) int… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/22 11:31 AM |
| 55 | Male domestic violence survivors say they feel the Depp-Heard trial is a turning pointI reckon that there is a reason feminists have been silent for the most part on the Depp-Heard debacle. Once the defamation case is over and the verdict is passed they will respond accordingly. It Heard survives it and wins, they’ll double down on all the people across the internet “besmirching” her and “real” victims of domestic violence, as proof of societal/systemic misogyny and tha patriarchy. Of course, if Depp wins, they’ll double down on the route of “imperfect victims” (implying that Hea… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/22 07:05 AM |
| 3 | But I guess men are the evil onesOh I know what feminism is babe. In all likelihood, you don’t. You might actually have a meaningful conversation with an anti-feminist if you didn’t assume anti-feminism is an ideology unto itself; where feminists cry “patriarchy”, anti-feminists don’t cry “matriarchy” — we just call out feminist patriarchy as bullshit, lol. I’ve tried having civil conversations with feminists for years but you folks never come to the table with anything resembling intellectual honesty. So I’m tired of it, I’m t… | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/22 04:37 PM |
| 22 | Every day it becomes more and more obvious: Feminists do not talk TO men, only ABOUT men.Never forget; feminists project. | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/22 03:08 PM |
| 3 | But I guess men are the evil onesNever mind, he gave up early, lol | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/22 02:43 PM |
| 3 | But I guess men are the evil onesShhh let him talk his way into a corner, he’ll stop responding soon enough, just wait | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/22 02:36 PM |
| 6 | But I guess men are the evil onesWhat is patriarchy? | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/22 02:22 PM |
| 5 | But I guess men are the evil ones“Equal social status”. As in held equally accountable? Or recognised as equally powerful? Lol | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/22 01:57 PM |
| 10 | But I guess men are the evil onesOh honey, are you conflating women with feminism? Rookie error | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/22 01:20 PM |
| 9 | But I guess men are the evil onesThat’s a fascinating take champ, do you know which woman in the 1800’s instigated the Tender Years Doctrine? And do you know which organisations fight against the presumption of equally shared parenting/custody even today? Lol | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/22 12:29 PM |
| 1 | "I honestly think this is going to have an enormous positive effect on equal treatment for survivors of domestic abuse." is a terrifying concept to Feminists...So true. I’ve been saying this for a while but it’s not an over-reach or a stretch to assert that feminism is more anti-men than it is pro-women. As we know (and as feminists constantly seek to remind us as though it proves that feminism is “good”); there are nigh countless different groups within feminism, including but not limited to anti-porn, sex positive, TERF, black, white, liberal, and so on. Frequently each group in feminism has a different “solution”, which is where you get all the NAFA… | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/05/22 05:10 AM |
| 10 | FSW Is anyone else getting tired of Feminists talking ABOUT men without ever actually talking TO men? Behold; "The Sexually Aggressive Jock Stereotype: The Pyramid"Fucking hell one of the commenters in that subreddit are implying that you can pick out rapists as early as four years old. I am so terrified for all our boys growing up these days surrounded by psychopaths and narcissists with an addiction to victimhood culture treating men and boys like some monolithic oppressive force. Fucking terrified. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 19/05/22 02:19 PM |
| 21 | FSW Is anyone else getting tired of Feminists talking ABOUT men without ever actually talking TO men? Behold; "The Sexually Aggressive Jock Stereotype: The Pyramid"Fucking tired of this shit. Feminists push this notion that rape is something that is perpetrated by men toward women, full stop. If RaPe CuLtUrE was real (and it isn’t, because no one endorses, accepts, or otherwise encourages or facilitates rape in our culture) then the only people who could be accurately described as perpetuating it are feminists themselves. Why? Because feminism has long silenced male victims, feminism has marginalised male victims, feminism has gaslighted male victims. Femi… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 19/05/22 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Woman kills her kids, gets several chances at an Out Of Jail card. Find me a man who got the same.Bloody hell. There really is no depth to which feminism won’t stoop. That’s so dark. Sounds pretty similar to feminists in Australia using Grace Tame as a figurehead for the same “patriarchy” and “yes all men” type bullshit. Fuck I am so tired of this country | /r/AntiFeminists | 19/05/22 08:08 AM |
| 34 | Shit feminists sayIt is truly baffling how frequently misogynistic feminists are. | /r/AntiFeminists | 19/05/22 06:51 AM |
| 1 | Woman kills her kids, gets several chances at an Out Of Jail card. Find me a man who got the same.Rosie? What’s this about? I only woke up to the truth of feminism about 3 years ago Edit: I don’t know what the reference is that’s all, is there an article on it or something to that effect? | /r/AntiFeminists | 19/05/22 03:13 AM |
| 2 | Woman kills her kids, gets several chances at an Out Of Jail card. Find me a man who got the same.The gynocentrism here is something else. White Ribbon comes to mind. And Cassie Jaye being (essentially) called a misogynist by the hosts of Sunrise (an Australian news program for those who unaware) and slammed for her creation/direction of the Red Pill documentary. Funnily enough, one of the hosts was Andrew O'Keefe, who was the founder of White Ribbon in Australia, and recently got done for domestic violence against his wife (irony abounds.) They didn't even see the documentary before declari… | /r/AntiFeminists | 19/05/22 12:56 AM |
| 6 | Woman kills her kids, gets several chances at an Out Of Jail card. Find me a man who got the same.Then I'll be waiting for feminist lobbyists/personalities to use their platform to pressure the courts into extending the same consideration and efforts to protect men from being imprisoned for crimes they might not have committed. Heck, maybe even Clementine Ford could be at the front of the movement. I'm sure her remarks about "kill all men" and "have you killed a man today? If not, why not?" were just jokes and she actually believes in equality. That's what feminists are all about right? Equa… | /r/AntiFeminists | 18/05/22 11:53 PM |
| 7 | I just wanted to leave this here, see what you guys think.You know for all feminists love to talk about teaching men about consent, it seems to be women who have the hardest time grasping the concept. | /r/AntiFeminists | 18/05/22 11:26 AM |
| 8 | As a man I am very scared of the WW3.There’s a saying in the military: machines don’t hold ground; boots do. Soldiers will always be necessary in war. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/22 06:43 AM |
| 283 | Amber Heard Has Been Cut Out Of “Aquaman 2” Because Of Johnny Depp TrialShe has screen time. Still have yet to see any evidence she has been dropped from the franchise/movie | /r/MensRights | 18/05/22 06:40 AM |
| 1 | Some good news, The APA may be backing off its ideas of toxic masculinityNo answer. I wonder why | /r/MensRights | 18/05/22 06:19 AM |
| 3 | Amber Heard (AH=Asshole) VS Johnny DeppTo be fair, one of your sentences is correct and the other one is not. | /r/AntiFeminists | 17/05/22 11:20 PM |
| 5 | Amber Heard (AH=Asshole) VS Johnny Depp“Crying” | /r/AntiFeminists | 17/05/22 11:19 PM |
| 5 | Understanding Feminism's Relationship With PornSounds pretty sexist to me | /r/MensRights | 16/05/22 03:48 AM |
| 2 | FSW they get so painfully close to becoming self-aware that if they did, they'd realise they are projecting.And feminists say misandry isn't real.. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 16/05/22 03:17 AM |
| 2 | FSW they get so painfully close to becoming self-aware that if they did, they'd realise they are projecting.Just had a look and their 7th rule is "don't be a TERF" which implicates them as a feminist, or at the very least supportive of feminism. If it's an active subreddit I'd say within 24 hours. Definitely within 3 days. I'd be gobsmacked if it lasted more than that. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 16/05/22 03:09 AM |
| 3 | Understanding Feminism's Relationship With PornIf you meant feminists then I agree with you. But feminism/feminist isn't synonymous with women/woman. | /r/MensRights | 16/05/22 01:54 AM |
| 9 | Some good news, The APA may be backing off its ideas of toxic masculinityIf a man acts against his own bests interests and health but it doesn't hurt a woman/women, or in fact benefits a woman/women; is that still toxic masculinity? | /r/MensRights | 16/05/22 01:52 AM |
| 11 | FSW they get so painfully close to becoming self-aware that if they did, they'd realise they are projecting.Let's flip it and see who we are reminded of: Am I more forgiving, attentive, & respectful to women than men? Do I value women's respect & approval more than men's? Do I invest more time & effort in impressing or pleasing women than men? Am I more uncomfortable & dismissive around older men than older women? When a man does something genuinely bad, do I criticise & condemn him more harshly or more personally than I do women? Am I more angry or personally affronted when a man does something I don… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 16/05/22 01:47 AM |
| 13 | Understanding Feminism's Relationship With PornFeminists understand feminism the least, because they can only understand it subjectively and not objectively. It’s why one of their key mottos is “the personal IS political”, and why their knee jerk response to most criticism is the no true Scotsman. The way to understand feminism and its relationship with porn is simpler than you’d think. In the 80s / 90s there was a divide amongst feminists - the sex-positive feminists and the anti-porn feminists - and they still haven’t really bridged that g… | /r/MensRights | 16/05/22 12:21 AM |
| 48 | Stay-at-home dads lifeNever forget: man bad woman good, man bad woman good | /r/MensRights | 13/05/22 08:27 AM |
| 1 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withShow me where I said I was against abortion. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 07:06 AM |
| 5 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withI’m Australian too, I just research what’s going on in the US and the UK too. And our laws suck in Australia too. Fathers rights in this country are a joke verging on an oxymoron | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 02:42 AM |
| 5 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withA signature isn’t even required in the US. That’s the point. Or have you not seen all the cases where men get a bill in the mail for several years of child support arrears for a kid they never even knew existed? | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 02:36 AM |
| 4 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withYes, but abortion laws aren't threatened in Australia and never will be. I'm talking about the US | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 02:18 AM |
| 3 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIncorrect, unfortunately. Would do a lot to protect men if they needed men's consent to be put on the birth certificate. The process becomes harder (re: lengthier) if she wants to name a man after she has left the hospital, but it's super easy to name a man when she's in it. She doesn't even have to notify the man. The man doesn't even have to be the father, lol. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 02:10 AM |
| 3 | I can’t remember who said it, “once things get difficult feminists will change their tone and try to bargain and bring men to their side.Oh yeah, I forgot that Prohibition was almost single-handedly brought about by the Women's Temperance movement, lol. How could I leave that out? I think it was just a petition, I haven't thoroughly investigated it because it was more a point of interest. There's almost no point going back further than the declaration of sentiments in 1848 because most feminists don't even know the origins of their movement or what it stands for. This is the petition. Kind of shoots the whole "women were oppresse… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 01:56 AM |
| 5 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withYou know that the mother, if she so chooses, can put the fathers name on the birth certificate right? The father doesn't even have to be there. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 01:49 AM |
| 3 | I can’t remember who said it, “once things get difficult feminists will change their tone and try to bargain and bring men to their side.I mean, male behaviour has been controlled and steered by a desire for female approval and rigorously punished by female shaming for pretty much all of recorded history. You see it with the White Feather Campaign. You see it in the petition to the then King of England of the 1600s to ban coffee houses by the Women of England, who complained that their men weren't acting the way the women wanted them to, and how it was causing 'impotence'. Why would they change their strategy? Feminism has been s… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 01:43 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withwhy dont both do their part to avoid that unwanted pregnancy rather than throwing it all to women. Men wear condoms, women take some form of birth control. The answer is because if the woman does fall pregnant the man gets absolutely zero right to have a say over what is done with the pregnancy. Unfortunately, there are some parts of life where women ultimately have to put their big girl pants on and say "you know what, it's my womb, it's my responsibility." How you know 90% of abortions are don… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 01:31 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withEh, it's all good, it seems like we've agreed all along. When something like 90% of communication is body language and tone, communicating with only text becomes a lot more challenging. It's no one's fault if views/beliefs aren't conveyed adequately or inferred. We both have a strong grasp of English as far as I can tell and it is likely we both inferred a belief from the other's commentary incorrectly. I call no-fault and no hard feelings. And I agree, I tend to be far better in person too (tho… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 01:17 PM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withI hope you have a good shift! | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 12:44 PM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withOf course, no obligation to respond any time soon (or at all, technically). Read it on your own time if you desire. I was denied a vasectomy when I was 21 so it might not be so cut and dried as you think, but as I've elucidated before - men and women should both have autonomy over their vasectomy and tubal procedures once duty of care has been provided. Women having the final say in abortion is absolutely fair, it doesn't go against men at all, because men aren't the ones bearing the child. Howe… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 12:43 PM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withI'm with you 100%. I think there's a lot of tension around this subject because as an aggregate women are feeling mighty threatened by everything that's going on in the US right now, and everyone is so defensive and tribal about abortion rights. Never mind that there are various positions one can have underneath the glib labels "pro-life" and "pro-choice" which are far more reasonable than some of the absurd stances I've seen. And yeah, if medicine advances to the stage where an unplanned pregna… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 12:34 PM |
| 1 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withI'm not sure who's downvoting you but it ain't me. I'm not entirely sure how vasectomies or tubals relate to impermanent contraceptive measures such as the pill, the IUD, (so on), or condoms and the discussion around who should really be responsible for birth control. I can understand a kind of "village wisdom advice" to men along the lines of "if you use contraception you might be saving yourself some trouble." But I do disagree with the primary or equal responsibility for birth control being o… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 12:27 PM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIt's probably safer to have the doctrine that vasectomy and tubals are considered irreversible, right? It further solidifies the notion that a vasectomy that is reversed is a 'chance' occurrence and shouldn't be expected. I imagine there would be potential for lawsuits if the doctrine taught it the other way around "its reversible but there is a chance it is permanent" might be something more open to being exploited for the purpose of suing the practitioner. I'm not a lawyer obviously, but it ma… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 11:37 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withHaha, all good. In case you missed my response: Responding as though tubals refers to getting tubes tied: Refusing that surgery on the grounds that "they will/might change their minds" is wrong. I also believe that life-altering surgery (including male genital mutilation, or any of the various forms of female genital mutilation, or HRT) shouldn't be permitted for men or women below the age of 18. If children can't consent to alcohol, sex, smoking, drug use, can't vote, and so on, then it doesn't… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 11:14 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIt was harrowing. I won't go into details but I am not the same person anymore. PTSD changes you. My ex always had mental health problems, which she could prove. A long long fight with depression. But the power of false allegations in family court is known as the silver bullet for a reason. To cut a long story short, she claimed that if I were to be reintroduced to my son's life it would affect her mental health so negatively that she wouldn't be able to be a good mother. All she had to do was s… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 11:11 AM |
| 1 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withResponding as though tubals refers to getting tubes tied: Refusing that surgery on the grounds that "they will/might change their minds" is wrong. I also believe that life-altering surgery (including male genital mutilation, or any of the various forms of female genital mutilation, or HRT) shouldn't be permitted for men or women below the age of 18. If children can't consent to alcohol, sex, smoking, drug use, can't vote, and so on, then it doesn't make sense to allow children to give them that … | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 10:49 AM |
| 1 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withCan I ask you a question as you seem level? Absolutely. Any time. Just to clarify, when you say "tubals" do you mean getting tubes tied? | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 10:12 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIt's been a pleasure talking to you too, thank you. I'm always prepared to have my ideas tested too, if not, then they stagnate and my thoughts don't improve. Besides, if one has a belief that is "perfectly right and unassailable" then they shouldn't be scared of having it challenged, right? Sadly, I haven't seen my son in almost four years. My ex found someone else and decided to erase me from my son's life. Family court was a long battle but I lost that too. It was ultimately the eye-opening e… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 10:09 AM |
| 1 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withAh, I'm glad you're back and that I stand corrected. Which other comment do you mean? As unfortunate as it is, in the end, the physical toll of pregnancy only falls on 1 parent. The mom. Pregnancy is very rough on the body, and despite modern medicine, it still carries a death warning. If dad wants the baby and mom doesn't, at this point the only option would be forced pregnancy (which is a crime against humanity/war crime in the Geneva convention, literally. ) I agree. The final say and final a… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 09:55 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withNo no no, it's all good. You aren't responsible for the way I respond to what you write, I am. I've found you to be very warm and honest, and I have no doubt as to your empathy and earnestness. No offence is taken here. It's honourable of you to try to put yourself in the father's shoes, of course. And yes, it is painful, and yes that is one rationalisation (regarding "would I really want my future baby to be born from this woman" etc). It is one of the coping mechanisms. But as you probably wel… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 09:27 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withYeah, of course, you make sense. It’s hard because you have to balance your empathy and compassion with the reality that a line does need to be drawn in the sand somewhere. And unfortunate as it is, it’s tough cookie for the father if it turns out that way. Life sucks for people sometimes. But all that can be done is to try to make things as fair as possible. So to that end, so long as abortion is legal; the only one who can ethically have the right and the final say to it is the woman bearing t… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 09:05 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIt’s all good. You’re an idealist, which is perfectly fine and perfectly honourable. But it isn’t realistic to hope that everyone, or even most people, can negotiate. When push comes to shove, if a woman absolutely categorically did not want to carry a pregnancy and wanted to abort, but the man that got her pregnant wants the child, then someone has to have the final say. As the saying goes, ‘you can’t have a democracy of two people.’ There is no such thing as an impartial third party in this ca… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 08:37 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIt is rough but it needs to be addressed. Option A: mothers have sole control over their womb, in which case fathers don’t get a say. Option B: mothers don’t get sole control over their womb, and their decision to abort can be vetoed by the prospective father. Each couple in dispute over this going before a judge isn’t feasible for a multitude of reasons. Option A is only egalitarian if in the same amount of time a woman can abort men can legally surrender their paternal responsibilities and obl… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 08:01 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIt’s all good, its likely I won’t be getting further responses from Roxas. With your stance, what happens if the prospective mother wants to abort but the prospective father doesn’t want her to? | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 07:41 AM |
| 23 | The level of misandry and even racism in the comments.Rampant gynocentrism as per usual. Women are just so much more important, and men are just so much more disposable that if a single iota of attention goes towards men in any arena of victimisation it is seen as a grossly selfish and misogynistic attack on women. Crazy shit. Feminism has so much to answer for. | /r/AntiFeminists | 10/05/22 05:59 AM |
| 5 | I can’t remember who said it, “once things get difficult feminists will change their tone and try to bargain and bring men to their side.Smh | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 05:53 AM |
| 64 | The level of misandry and even racism in the comments.It's like they seriously believe sexual assault/harassment is a uniquely female experience. | /r/AntiFeminists | 10/05/22 05:46 AM |
| 114 | I can’t remember who said it, “once things get difficult feminists will change their tone and try to bargain and bring men to their side.Feminist doublethink on MGTOW breaks my brain. They believe in "tha patriarchy", so wouldn't men who want nothing to do with women, no relationships, et cetera, be a victory for them? It's like their whole doublethink with marriage. They keep talking about how marriage oppresses women, and then when marriage rates plummet they blame men for not stepping up. Like... what on earth do they want and how do they hold all those thoughts without the cognitive dissonance frying their brains? | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 05:31 AM |
| 7 | The SCOTUS ruling on RVW is about theocracy, not patriarchy.And if they take that into account then their whole "no uterus no opinion" argument falls apart too. Which, of course, they can't allow, because then it's still about a 50/50 divide amongst women (even though some surveys indicate that women are slightly more pro-life than men are). Easier to blame the feminist boogeyman and cry oppression. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 05:27 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withI'm an advocate of fundamental rights that are intrinsicly not gendered, rather than separate rights for men and women that struggle to be equivalent (or advantaged, depending on the propensity of the participants). Agreed. Not including "gender" when it comes to rights we get the same net positive effect as not including "race". Radical egalitarianism for the win. (And by radical I mean "pertaining to the root".) Rights also include responsibilities on all parties to maintain them on penalty … | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 05:05 AM |
| 5 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withNo. True feminists want equality. Whatever this new wave shit is, is not feminism. Feminism has never been about equality. Even from inception. In the case of "consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy"; this was a rally cry of second-wave feminism. And even then they weren't interested in extending the same treatment to men. Very simply, second-wave feminism was "pro-choice" for women and "pro-life" for men. Feminist lobbying groups, including the NOW, have long advocated against equalising pa… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 04:36 AM |
| 3 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withI agree with all your points and conclusions. The predisposition of women as an aggregate to prefer "Free Choice" is not a genetic thing as I alluded to previously. As a phenomenon, it is more aptly explained by evolutionary psychology. However, this doesn't mean men don't have costs to their biology too. So the salient conclusion is that given the opportunity, both men and women would prefer to mitigate the costs/consequences of having freedom of choice in the reproductive arena. The question t… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 04:09 AM |
| 1 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withOkay, great. Consenting to sex is not consenting to pregnancy. I am glad we agree. Next question: Should it be 100% the sole right and sole authority of the woman to choose what happens inside her womb in the event of pregnancy (ie, the prospective father has no authority and no rights over what happens)? Yes or no, please. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 03:11 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIs consent to sex consent to pregnancy, yes or no. No dodging, please. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 03:00 AM |
| 3 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIt is about the impregnation because there is a way to avoid it from your side. ... If you cannot trust women to be taking the pill you can abstain or wear a condom, if you are not up to taking the reponsability on your side dont be mad when women do take it on their side by chosing to abort. There is also a way to avoid it from the women's side. More ways in fact. Safer ways. This reeks of "men can just keep their dick in their pants". Why isn't the sentiment "women can just keep their legs tog… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 02:59 AM |
| 3 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withBoth should be responsible for birth control, regardless of who holds the "de facto right" to keep a baby or not. No, it doesn't work that way, this assertion conveniently sidesteps the issue of sex and reproduction. Either sex and reproduction are linked or they are not, you can't have it both ways. And as feminism has reminded us ad nauseum since the second wave: Consent to sex is NOT consent to pregnancy. If that's true: Then if pregnancy occurs due to the act of sex then it is solely the wom… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 02:38 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIf you don't responsibility for the impregnation of said woman then you are not acting equal. Sure, but it's not about the impregnation. It's about the state of being pregnant and whether that pregnancy will be aborted or carried to term. The agency and involvement of a man end categorically the second the woman is impregnated. but if the male wears a condom and the female is taking the pill you will almost completely avoid the pregnancy so the abortion won't be possible. Here's where there is a… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 02:11 AM |
| 2 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withWhy is it mens responsibility to take birth control when it is unilaterally women’s de facto and de jure right to keep or abort a pregnancy? That’s not to say I wouldn’t take an effective male contraceptive if there was one. But why is the conversation about men? Women have the sole right and sole authority over their pregnancy and their womb. If we’re going to be “fair” and “equal” then it is their sole responsibility too. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 01:39 AM |
| 9 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withDr Farrell was the only man (a feminist no less) to be appointed to the board for the NOW three times. He was excommunicated from feminism after daring to show an interest in the way society was failing boys (this after years of advocating for women and girls.) He is considered the father of the Men’s Rights Movement, and is a very polite, soft spoken, compassionate and intelligent individual. I heard about the phenomenon of “free choice” when he was having a conversation with Jordan Peterson, a… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 12:31 AM |
| 19 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIt’s not mutually exclusive. If women decide they don’t want to be pregnant (even if they didn’t bother to use birth control) they can opt out for convenience, rather than being forced to take responsibility for the action they engaged in without precautions knowing there was a risk of pregnancy. Similarly, if they fall pregnant and want to keep it, then they can force a man to subsidise her unilateral decision to keep the child (ie, forcing a man to take responsibility for her unilateral decisi… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 12:20 AM |
| 7 | I can’t remember who said it, “once things get difficult feminists will change their tone and try to bargain and bring men to their side.It is particularly funny and telling that Roe v Wade was signed in entirely by a team of men. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 12:15 AM |
| 14 | I can’t remember who said it, “once things get difficult feminists will change their tone and try to bargain and bring men to their side.If feminism wasn’t primarily concerned with protecting womens freedom of choice and freedom from consequence; why is legal paternal surrender so fiercely opposed in feminist circles? Plenty of women surveyed love the idea of men having trustworthy contraceptives too, but women are not synonymous with feminists. Hell, even that show where Wendy Williams encourages a woman in the audience to lie to her husband and not telling him she’s going off birth control in order to get pregnant was met with … | /r/MensRights | 10/05/22 12:13 AM |
| 22 | People are losing their minds over the fact that some women may be forced into parenthood against their will - something men already deal withIs it? Or is it about a sense of entitlement to the convenience of never having to be responsible for the consequences of their actions? Pregnancy (outside of the very small percentage of cases of rape) doesn’t just “happen” to a woman. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/22 11:38 PM |
| 17 | Why do so many fortysomething men kill themselves? "suicide is the biggest killer of men under the age of 50. A hundred men die a week. It is more prevalent than at any time in the last 14 years and men are four times more likely to end their own lives than women."I hope the people in that thread commenting about “toxic masculinity” and “patriarchy hurts men too” aren’t actually psychologists. Bloody hell. | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/05/22 02:14 PM |
| 2 | NYPOST article presents picture of Heard which has been fabricated to show tears on her cheek when there wasn’t a single god damned tear during her time on the stand. #believewomenAh, yes, I see the tear now. NYPost would have been better off using a still image of that one. Not the same day though - different haircuts on Heard between those two shots. I still maintain NYPost photoshopped the tear on. | /r/AntiFeminists | 08/05/22 03:51 AM |
| 2 | NYPOST article presents picture of Heard which has been fabricated to show tears on her cheek when there wasn’t a single god damned tear during her time on the stand. #believewomenI’m with you 100% | /r/AntiFeminists | 07/05/22 01:36 PM |
| 2 | NYPOST article presents picture of Heard which has been fabricated to show tears on her cheek when there wasn’t a single god damned tear during her time on the stand. #believewomenThank you, I tried looking for it on my phone but couldn’t see it, I’ll try again on my laptop tomorrow. Yes she’s a lying POS, this is obvious. The reason for my post is to call out the lack of journalistic integrity, because as it stands I believe NYPOST photoshopped the photo in their article to have a tear on it. If they didn’t then what I posted isn’t fair nor accurate and I should take the post down. | /r/AntiFeminists | 07/05/22 01:21 PM |
| -2 | Women can be abusive tooNo. | /r/MensRights | 07/05/22 01:16 PM |
| 3 | Roast me: feminist very upset about losing my right to abortion.However, I do believe that abortion should be allowed in special and rare scenarios, like in cases of rape I can already see the headlines in a year or two. If a woman wants to abort her child and she isn't allowed to in her state unless she was raped, what do you think is going to happen? Yeah, rape accusations will go through the roof. | /r/MensRights | 07/05/22 02:35 AM |
| 1 | NYPOST article presents picture of Heard which has been fabricated to show tears on her cheek when there wasn’t a single god damned tear during her time on the stand. #believewomenI can’t say I’ve watched every minute of what’s going on in the courtroom, but I’ve yet to see a single tear. Have you got a link and a time-stamp? | /r/AntiFeminists | 06/05/22 11:28 PM |
| 10 | NYPOST article presents picture of Heard which has been fabricated to show tears on her cheek when there wasn’t a single god damned tear during her time on the stand. #believewomenOh for sure, it’s so blatantly obvious she’s lying through her teeth. Not a single tear summoned, constantly switching the tense in which she is speaking, feigning emotions she doesn’t understand or thinks she is meant to have, stop-start speech patterns. Even posing with a tissue for the camera at one point. And look, we know that journalists / journalism these days lack integrity and will write anything even if it is dripping with bias. But outright falsification and editing of a photograph to… | /r/AntiFeminists | 06/05/22 04:46 AM |
| 1 | FSW OP has neither of those things in their lives, so how would they know?“Left the husband in charge”. I thought that under “patriarchy” men are always in charge? | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 05/05/22 09:43 AM |
| 12 | HERE IT IS!! CONFIRMING ONCE AGAIN FEMINISTS WILL BLAME ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN POOR BEHAVIOUR: Psychologist Explains Why Amber Heard’s Psychiatric Diagnoses Should Be DiscountedCupcakes, muffins, makeup that hasn’t been released to market!!! Your honour I object hearsay to my own question! | /r/MensRights | 30/04/22 11:48 AM |
| 20 | HERE IT IS!! CONFIRMING ONCE AGAIN FEMINISTS WILL BLAME ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN POOR BEHAVIOUR: Psychologist Explains Why Amber Heard’s Psychiatric Diagnoses Should Be DiscountedThat’s “hysteria.” HPD is characterised by behaviours and not defined by possession of a womb/uterus nor either of those anatomical pieces, considering that men can be diagnosed with HPD too. Nice try. Also, yes, I agree with the sentiment that men and women have been oppressed by history. But if the narrative one suggests is that men and women through history were oppressed by men, you’ve lost me. Men and women lived through the oppression of reality and oppressive circumstances conveyed by sur… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/22 11:00 AM |
| 10 | HERE IT IS!! CONFIRMING ONCE AGAIN FEMINISTS WILL BLAME ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN POOR BEHAVIOUR: Psychologist Explains Why Amber Heard’s Psychiatric Diagnoses Should Be DiscountedWhen one realises she is overtly lying about there being a relationship between HPD and hysteria (ie, the two aren’t related and neither does the term histrionic have anything to do with hysteria, see another comment I made earlier about the etymology) her motive becomes clear beyond reasonable doubt. She is trying to conflate HPD with something that is indeed an old gendered diagnoses (hysteria coming from old Greek “hystera” which meant “womb”, and was thought to be a nervous disorder peculiar… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/22 08:55 AM |
| 23 | HERE IT IS!! CONFIRMING ONCE AGAIN FEMINISTS WILL BLAME ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN POOR BEHAVIOUR: Psychologist Explains Why Amber Heard’s Psychiatric Diagnoses Should Be DiscountedI appreciate the compliment, but I’m standing on the shoulders of giants. There are men and women out there far more educated and across these things than I, sadly they don’t seem as active in MRM spaces anymore. But what I did do was put a lot of effort into learning as much as I could about all aspects of the MRM and feminism. After being involved in advocacy for men’s rights for about four years now, I’d have to say there are three key things that mens advocates and anti feminists need to imp… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/22 08:42 AM |
| 184 | HERE IT IS!! CONFIRMING ONCE AGAIN FEMINISTS WILL BLAME ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN POOR BEHAVIOUR: Psychologist Explains Why Amber Heard’s Psychiatric Diagnoses Should Be DiscountedAlso, never trust a feminist who claims when a word came from somewhere (ie, claims an etymological history/explanation.) Such as the famous feminist claim that “history” came from “his story.” Dr Jessica Taylor should know that “histrionic” didn’t evolve from hysteria. See below from an etymology dictionary: "theatrical" (figuratively, "hypocritical"), 1640s, from French histrionique "pertaining to an actor," from stem of Latin histrio (genitive histrionis) "actor," a word said to be of Etrusca… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/22 04:02 AM |
| 65 | HERE IT IS!! CONFIRMING ONCE AGAIN FEMINISTS WILL BLAME ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN POOR BEHAVIOUR: Psychologist Explains Why Amber Heard’s Psychiatric Diagnoses Should Be Discountedhttps://www.drjessicataylor.com She’s a feminist. I’m sure this surprises no one. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/22 03:58 AM |
| 1 | Is toxic masculinity the modern equivalent of female hysteria?He’s done posts on TM in the past, debunking it from different angles. One being that from the Palgrave Handbook on male psychology (? Not sure if this is the exact name) it was identified as a term that had no clinical value and suffered a cognitive distortion known as labelling | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/22 02:41 AM |
| 16 | Is toxic masculinity the modern equivalent of female hysteria?Your first paragraph, whilst intended well, illuminates one of the primary problems. The term “toxic masculinity” (TM) suffers a cognitive distortion known as labelling, where it associates the ascribed negative behaviours with men and masculinity by extension. The litmus test for this is if you would feel uncomfortable referring to the prevalence of black on black crime as an example of toxic blackness, or the higher rates of women murdering their children an example of toxic femininity, or the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/22 02:38 AM |
| 4 | An alternative to Paper AbortionIt is explicitly stated that it is a satire article meant to expose the double standards in “the man should have kept it in his pants.” | /r/MensRights | 28/04/22 09:09 PM |
| 13 | Australian feminist lobby group demands YouTube censor "manosphere" & "antifeminist" videos, including Jordan Peterson content, and show boys/young men feminist videos insteadI’m so fucken tired of how brain-dead the media is here, and how people here still seem to think they are more intelligent than the US. No, Australia is just as fucken dumb. The US just gets more air time. Time to start building a rocket ship. | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/04/22 11:31 AM |
| 2 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!There are observations and studies that exist to indicate that one of the biggest predictors of an individual committing sexual assault or rape is being a victim of it during adolescence. It is certainly a thing. | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/04/22 05:54 AM |
| 2 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!The fact that you had to message me privately to ask about the declaration of sentiments shows me and everyone else observing that you aren’t debating what feminism actually is but rather the idea of it you have constructed in your head in absence of any real research or investigation. The declaration of sentiments, Seneca falls 1848, the first manifesto of first wave feminism, is about as pivotal and monumental as a document can get in defining the birth of an ideology and the subsequent titula… | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 04:39 PM |
| 3 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!If there was a single honest bone in your body or your argument you would concede that the reality that life and society has historically been horrible for everyone, and that both men and women suffered immensely through the rigours of history, and as such feminist patriarchy theory does not hold water. Until you can prove that feminist theory holds water, I hope you can realise that your bigotry is severely misplaced and that you realise while the intent of feminism as you understand it isn’t o… | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 04:11 PM |
| 3 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!How am I not arguing in good faith? Because you have been selectively engaging with my comments thus far. You have consistently glossed over criticisms, ignored contrary theories, and outright refused to acknowledge or respond to questions I have made. I assert that feminist patriarchy consists of a society, largely ruled and regulated by men, that enacts legislation that specifically targets women by limiting their rights. Fine. If that's the definition you want to go with, then it isn't real… | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 03:32 PM |
| 2 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!Not until you start addressing and responding to my criticisms and questions. Not until you provide a functional and compatible definition of patriarchy theory that gels with feminism. I've debated people who don't argue in good faith before and their tactics are very similar to yours. Whether you are intending it or not, I am not of a mind to entertain it. You still haven't proven a single assertion on your end. Do so if you want this conversation to continue. | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 02:53 PM |
| 3 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!You said you rejected that feminist patriarchy ever existed but based on your definition that cannot be the case since laws have historically been in place that express forbade women from certain rights. This applies under your own definition. Even if that were true, it wouldn't be enough to constitute feminist patriarchy theory, especially because men were forbidden rights too, frequently more so than women. What endowed that authority? What endowed authority to who and in what setting? "In soc… | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 02:46 PM |
| 16 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!I wish I had seen this sooner and investigated. You're absolutely right. OP has a bias and apparently conflates anti-feminism with misogyny and "incel-dom". Fucking hell. Hate that I wasted my time on this. Sigh. | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 02:31 PM |
| 7 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!Ah, I see. I'm picking up what you're putting down. Sadly feminists are incredibly selective in what constitutes evidence for them. | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 02:26 PM |
| 4 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!Even under your definition feminist patriarchy, how can a law limiting women owning property not meet that definition? It was done to explicitly limit a woman's ability to do something. Where's the law that forbade women from owning property? Women could own property, just as how they could also work. They just frequently didn't, usually because they didn't have to and presumably could safely rely on a husband, their father, or the church to provide for them. You for some reason said that patril… | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 02:25 PM |
| 9 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!Sure, but the way feminists employ their 'patriarchy' theory, it absolutely hasn't. That's my point. See: Patriarchy theory as posited by feminism does not and has never existed. | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 02:14 PM |
| 13 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!I would describe patriarchy in modern terms as institutionalized systems that disproportionately benefit men, whether or not there is an express intent to disenfranchise women. In which case you're not describing feminist patriarchy theory. Feminism posits that society is male-dominated, and that male domination gives men special privileges over women. Such a society focusses on serving men's needs, drives, and interests at the express expense of women's needs, drives, and interests. The intent … | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 01:58 PM |
| 14 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!Why don’t you address all my talking points? And if you have an idea of what feminist patriarchy theory is why don’t you define it and substantiate it? | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 12:55 PM |
| 20 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!It’s less that I disagree with your definition and more that feminism itself doesn’t agree with your definition. The original definition of “patriarchy” as a term is realistically lost to us and as such isn’t meaningful anymore, and hasn’t been for quite some time. The way that feminism employs the term infers that “patriarchy” describes a system of social organisation wherein men are privileged over women, that society serves and benefits men’s needs, desires, and interests at the express expen… | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 12:29 PM |
| 12 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!Absolutely agree and well said. This is perhaps the best short form explanation I have ever read. Kudos | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 12:16 PM |
| 39 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!I reject it entirely. Patriarchy theory as posited by feminism does not and has never existed. | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 12:02 PM |
| 2 | For everyone watching the Johnny Depp case, just know this IS a pivotal moment for men's rights in the making!Too true. Mr Depp’s career and personal life have been forever scarred by the actions and accusations of that malicious lying cunt. Even if he is legally exonerated the damage has been done and will linger. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/22 07:30 AM |
| 54 | Are you AGAINST feminism? I want to hear YOUR experiences/thoughts/opinions!G'day OP. I appreciate the effort you've made to reach out to communities that are against feminism in good faith. I want to preface the following commentary with a disclaimer: "anti-feminism" is an action defined by those who oppose feminism either as a movement or an ideology, or both. It is not an organised group and doesn't have any lobbying power (that I have observed). It is not defined by an ideology, but rather by the opposition to or rejection of an ideology (ie, feminism.) Being that t… | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/04/22 06:09 AM |
| 64 | For everyone watching the Johnny Depp case, just know this IS a pivotal moment for men's rights in the making!I hope Depp finally gets the exoneration he deserves and Heard is made an example of for her lying, abuse, gaslighting, and manipulation. I also wished I shared your optimism for how this might change domestic violence law and policy. If anything feminists will double down on the Duluth model and/or revive MeToo or BelieveWomen, or at least rebrand it. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/22 07:20 PM |
| 21 | FSW nobody raises more murders, rapists, child molesters, and criminals than single mothers; ~92% of male inmates reported not having a father growing up.Beginning to wonder if feminism should be considered a sickness in the same realm as narcissism. Single-mother ego makes me want to throw up. I’m not a trad con but it’s not something to be proud of for fuck sake. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 23/04/22 06:16 PM |
| 1 | Links to 'neutral' subreddits discussing men's issues.There is so much that is wrong with this comment that I cannot rightfully give an appropriate response to or right now whilst I’m enjoying an excellent red with some friends. But be warned I will be back tomorrow to address your concerns and I won’t be gentle. I encourage you to take the time in between to address your biases. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/22 10:40 AM |
| 2 | FSW your Red Herring is both cringingly pathetic and achingly obvious; or, apparently 4th Wave Feminists share a baseline empathetic cognition-level with toddlers, and would rather die bawling hypocrites than treat a man as a human being...I’m with you. When one is driven by an ideological approach (such as one driven by feminism) every single thing can be explained by it. If the core premise is circular in and of itself, every theory that rolls downhill follows the same trend. This is why I oppose the ideology, which is fundamentally patriarchy theory. Women’s rights activism exists. In fact I’d categorise myself as a WRA, as well as an MRA. Or more succinctly an egalitarian. Women’s Rights Activism is NOT synonymous with feminis… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 23/04/22 07:53 AM |
| 3 | FSW your Red Herring is both cringingly pathetic and achingly obvious; or, apparently 4th Wave Feminists share a baseline empathetic cognition-level with toddlers, and would rather die bawling hypocrites than treat a man as a human being...The basic idea that men can be victims (and frequently are, if not more so) of the same kind of horrific abuse women experience is something feminism as an ideology needs to ignore, silence, or explain away. If any of it can be proven to exist it works to disprove patriarchy theory upon which all feminist rhetoric rests. That’s why you see feminists having such a (frequently) visceral reaction to any suggestion that life sucks for men too. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 23/04/22 07:38 AM |
| 4 | Tennessee passes bill requiring drunk drivers to pay child support if they kill a parentI was referring to child support being a form of slavery in the US be imprisonment if not paid. Whether this is ethically “too high a price” for homicide by DUI is tangential and not at all what I was referring to. For clarity, far too many people think that child support is something uniquely avoided by men without consequence (untrue in every relevant metric). That’s why I responded the way I did. Sorry for your loss. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/22 01:13 PM |
| 5 | Tennessee passes bill requiring drunk drivers to pay child support if they kill a parentIt’s not. Debtors prison is still very real in the US. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/22 01:04 PM |
| 5 | FSW you misread the post, she "moved out", and I don't know a single 20 year old *anyone* who owns a home, so why gender the issue?It’s all good mate. One of the things that one needs to remember when contemplating the ethics of feminism is that their ideology is incompatible with egalitarianism. As an ideology it fundamentally needs to disavow any form of female agency. Any choice a woman makes is a choice she is forced into, according to feminist rhetoric. She has to be, of course, because of the patriarchy. (Yes, this is very infantilising of women, and it is also incredibly misogynistic, but feminists seem immune to suc… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 22/04/22 12:11 PM |
| 3 | FSW you misread the post, she "moved out", and I don't know a single 20 year old *anyone* who owns a home, so why gender the issue?I don’t presume to speak for the OP, but it appears that he is calling out feminism for being internally inconsistent (it’s a feature, not a bug, btw.) “Feminism stops when” is the theme of this sub, and the inherent concept of this is feminism is all about double standards, amongst other things of an ethically dubious nature. It is particularly telling that the feminism sub reframes the pictured woman’s pride as a kind of pseudo-pride for something she was “forced” to do, as though it were the … | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 22/04/22 11:11 AM |
| 7 | FSW you misread the post, she "moved out", and I don't know a single 20 year old *anyone* who owns a home, so why gender the issue?Ah so someone automated stupidity. Fantastic. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 22/04/22 10:58 AM |
| 43 | Feminism approved male issuesIt’s worse than that as you pretty much directly alluded to in your post - feminism has been actively gaslighting society, especially second and third wave (first wave didn’t seem to feel the need to lie about their intentions, they were openly sexist, racist, and classist). Constant telling men as a whole that their problems are caused by “toxic masculinity” as in, there’s some inherent flaw in your masculine nature that is causing your own problems, is fundamentally gaslighting. It’s reflected… | /r/MensRights | 17/04/22 11:09 PM |
| 6 | Australian police policy is not to prosecute false accusers, thus creating the illusion that women never lie about rape: Bettina ArndtHe wasn’t just “a” white ribbon guy, he was a founding member. Fuck that guy. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/22 08:33 AM |
| 1 | FSW FeminismUncensored seeks to remind everyone of it's non-censorious policy... by reminding everyone that any negative critique of feminism isn't allowed100% | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 10/04/22 09:18 PM |
| 1 | FSW FeminismUncensored seeks to remind everyone of it's non-censorious policy... by reminding everyone that any negative critique of feminism isn't allowedHahaha I just woke up and it’s like a bomb went off in my inbox. It seems the feminist mod over there didn’t like my criticisms and has been combing through my comments to add to my ban from that sub | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 10/04/22 09:10 PM |
| 3 | FSW FeminismUncensored seeks to remind everyone of it's non-censorious policy... by reminding everyone that any negative critique of feminism isn't allowedExactly. Boils my piss that they have the audacity to call themselves feminism uncensored. Their censorship policy really just proves they aren’t really any different from any other feminist sub. Feminism hates being criticised. Can’t handle it apparently. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 10/04/22 01:33 AM |
| 13 | Council worker who leaked sex offender's address to paedophile hunter's group, leading to a large angry mob turning up outside his home, is not charged with misconduct in public office. Instead, she is fined £500, paid at £50 a month. After the hearing, she left the court giggling with two friendsThis is why people think this sub is a joke man... People think Men's Rights is a joke because of the running feminist narrative that has permeated all levels of society so effectively that few ever question it and perceive it as a "self-evident truth", wherein they claim we live in a patriarchy where men are obviously privileged and obviously already have "all the rights." Not because I'm right. First-wave feminism was the birthplace of feminism as an ideology, as signified by their Declaration… | /r/MensRights | 10/04/22 12:30 AM |
| 1 | FSW FeminismUncensored seeks to remind everyone of it's non-censorious policy... by reminding everyone that any negative critique of feminism isn't allowedTheir lack of self awareness should be considered the next Wonder of the World. It should be of no surprise that I’ve been given a three day ban by one of the feminist mods of FeminismUncensored / FeminismAbsolutelyCensored | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 09/04/22 10:42 PM |
| 25 | Council worker who leaked sex offender's address to paedophile hunter's group, leading to a large angry mob turning up outside his home, is not charged with misconduct in public office. Instead, she is fined £500, paid at £50 a month. After the hearing, she left the court giggling with two friendsDon't forget attempted murder / assassination of the prime minister and other (edit: male) political figures. It really baffles me that people still think that first wave feminism used to be something good. Feminism never was. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/22 04:13 PM |
| 3 | Unilateral Female Reproductive PowerAh, you’ve fallen into the trap of gynocentrism. If the child’s need was truly paramount, and men and womens individual sovereignty was held in equal regard, then society would be (please excuse the crassness) “teaching women to keep their legs together if they didn’t want to raise a kid alone”. Why is the onus on the man to take responsibility for a choice the mother made entirely on her own? | /r/MensRights | 08/04/22 03:22 PM |
| 3 | Unilateral Female Reproductive PowerI’m not so sure Ignatz was inferring that women should be forced to carry a child to term if the father wants to keep his progeny and the mother doesn’t (please correct me if I’m wrong here.) You’re right though. There cannot be a democracy of two. Ultimately, it’s the mothers right to abort a child developing in her womb if she so chooses. Or she can choose not to. It is her unilateral right. Whether this is ethically sound or murder is a different question. This is why one of the big ticket it… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/22 10:59 AM |
| 13 | "Male privilege" and "toxic masculinity" were identified as perpetuating negative stereotypes about men in a recent psychology textbook published by SpringerThanks mate, appreciate it. The back and forth with Mitoza was particularly exhausting. I've never seen such intellectual dishonesty and mental athleticism before, nor such overt goal-post shifting. Some of my favourite quotes: "Feminism has been criticizing toxic femininity since its inception." "The "toxic masculinity is about contempt of men" narrative is from opponents to discussions of toxic masculinity." "The Palgrave Handbook of Male Psychology isn't a great source" (when prompted for why… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/22 01:56 AM |
| 10 | Without exception every defense of Will Smith's violent assault I’ve personally heard so far comes from women.Never pausing to hold my breath again. Not for feminism in any form. I’m personally predisposed towards altruism and seeking understanding, empathy, or common ground. But the “middle ground” fallacy is a fallacy for a reason. Fuck feminism. | /r/MensRights | 30/03/22 02:17 PM |
| 28 | Without exception every defense of Will Smith's violent assault I’ve personally heard so far comes from women.There was a single fleeting opportunity that influential feminist groups MIGHT HAVE convinced me that despite their bloodstained history, their prejudicial and bigoted ideology, misandric and androphobic rhetoric that there might be hope for the fourth or fifth wave to turn their eternal train of man-bad-woman-good bullshit around. The deafening silence of feminists on this recent development inform me to stop holding my breath. | /r/MensRights | 30/03/22 01:47 PM |
| 7 | Woman has to wonder if men are anything more than sex-driven beastsIt’s stuff like this (and this amongst the least of it) that is important to remember: feminism hurts women too. | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/03/22 08:19 AM |
| 26 | This comment on a video about misandry.Pretty funny that he exposes himself in his opening lines. “I’ve been called a misogynist more than once” Yeah dude, when you talk about women like they are weak and ineffectual beings, which is an inherently misogynistic attitude, chances are you’re going to be called out for it on occasion. The lack of self awareness in this dude, seriously. | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/03/22 05:53 AM |
| 10 | Some common sense prevailed (update to previous post)Misandry and misogyny frequently mirror each other. One doesn’t exclusively “breed” the other. One might chicken-egg-chicken-egg argue as much as they like but as long as there is one, there is the other. I’m not going to hold my breath. Any anti-misogyny legislation that does not include anti-misandry is a feminist death trap waiting to happen. We’ve seen shit like this before. Posters in Australia where it conveyed a message something along the lines of “Jake and Josie are drunk, Jake had sex … | /r/MensRights | 01/03/22 10:54 AM |
| 1 | Saw a video of feminist group femen sexually harassing Putin and they do it to other men and common public baring their private parts in front of unsuspecting people. Strangely, it is never considered as sexual harassment or molestation by media or feminist.Link that is safe? (No uncensored nudity etc) | /r/MensRights | 01/03/22 10:48 AM |
| 2 | What do you guys think about gender stereotypes?Aside from what I hope is just naivety (and not outright dishonesty) in conflating feminism with US democrats and anti-feminism with US republicans (as pointed out by u/nyarlathotep999), your response is rather hackneyed and poorly researched. It demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the MRM and what men's rights advocacy looks like. I would also hazard a bet that you don't really have an objective understanding of what feminism is, but I digress. It may be important to note that t… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/22 04:47 AM |
| 2 | What do you guys think about gender stereotypes?Good point | /r/MensRights | 27/02/22 09:19 PM |
| 17 | What do you guys think about gender stereotypes?It would be pretty wonderful if feminists stopped perpetuating them. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/22 12:12 PM |
| 1 | For this March 8, let's collect evidence of the damage done by feminismGod you’re stupid. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/22 01:45 AM |
| 0 | For this March 8, let's collect evidence of the damage done by feminismWomen do not care to stop female perpetrators, even when they themselves are victims of one. Case in point: the women who were victims of Alison Mack, spoke and said that she was a victim who they forgive and just want to move on from, instead of a violent sexual perpetrator who needs harsh sentencing. That's sexist. Just as sexist as the suggestion that all men are violent rapey bastards. Suggesting that women don't care about female perps is misogynistic as hell. Feminists though. Yes, feminis… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/22 01:32 AM |
| 1 | For this March 8, let's collect evidence of the damage done by feminismLook, kid, no one here is arguing against feminism being an ideology and movement that is focused on expanding women's freedoms and privileges. But frankly, you're either a child or a moron if you can't see the collateral damage feminism has caused to women in the pursuit of unending female privilege. Domestic violence is known to be a non-gendered phenomenon, being that men and women commit it at roughly equal rates. The greatest predictor of being a victim of domestic violence is perpetrating … | /r/MensRights | 20/02/22 11:51 PM |
| 9 | Chin up, David! We Hunted the Mammoth is reportedly in financial trouble.I can’t wait for Futrelle to cherry pick his way of his current predicament. It is what he is best at. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/22 12:48 PM |
| 1 | For this March 8, let's collect evidence of the damage done by feminismSuch a juvenile assumption. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/22 11:48 AM |
| 2 | Women torture men too, mentally.The behaviour isn’t gendered, but yes. Women and men both have the same capacity to be abusive, but we only ever hear about one side of it. Edit: Myself and many men I know have been reduced in physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual health as the result of abuse by female partners which there has never been and never will be any recourse for. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/22 08:25 AM |
| 0 | For this March 8, let's collect evidence of the damage done by feminismFeminism has absolutely harmed women. Yes, feminist advocacy has privileged women in many areas but not without cost. Iainmf is right | /r/MensRights | 18/02/22 10:30 AM |
| 32 | A large portion of wealth is transferred from men to women in society.Bachelor taxes have been done before. This is where unmarried and/or childless men were taxed specifically for being unmarried and/or childless. Mindbending. I doubt that such a thing will come to pass again, but in a way, it doesn't really need to, considering the nature of western society today as mentioned by u/2137gangsterr. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/22 05:27 AM |
| 8 | Virtual assistants tend to be "female" - not because men want to boss women around - but probably because women prefer female voices. Quite a lot of Googling was needed to find real data instead of feminist activism - once again.Never forget, feminism projects. A large part of the reason why feminism pushes its male dominance, male privilege, patriarchy narrative is because this is the way they would operate if feminism ran everything, they literally cannot conceive of men *not** having the same in group bias that feminism does.* | /r/MensRights | 11/02/22 01:57 AM |
| 1 | Amazing how much women have changed since I was a teenOk self-announced hero of the gay and lesbian people Really? Where did I announce that? <sup>Yawn.</sup> what do you mean by naturally sexually attracted? Well, I felt compelled to change the terminology since you skipped over the part where I suggested it is inherent to the individual, which I believe is technically more accurate (though neither is incorrect.) Yes, you are asking me questions and deliberately avoiding answering any of mine. Seeing as you possess sufficient intelligence to compo… | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 03:25 PM |
| 162 | Feminist community admits they downvote and attack posters when they refer to their S/O as "my wife" because they assume the poster is male. They realize there is a problem with this, but only because it may discriminate against lesbians.The greatest source of misogyny is feminism as an ideology, it’s really that simple. When one realises this, a lot more things make sense. Because yes, whilst misogyny mirrors misandry and vice versa, for feminism to be accurate in its theories of reality it needs to assign evil to men and an utter lack of agency to women. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 12:49 PM |
| 2 | Amazing how much women have changed since I was a teenThe first thing you responded to by me was a question that followed “so gay men aren’t actually gay, they are just socialised?” You responded with a diversion being “if they weren’t, XYZ.“ I don’t care about your personal levels of palatability regarding homosexuality, heterosexuality, or any variance thereof. I’m calling out bigoted bullshit because that’s what it is. Unless you’d like to clarify that men can just be naturally sexually attracted to men, and women can be naturally sexually attra… | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 11:59 AM |
| 2 | Amazing how much women have changed since I was a teenHow do you know it isn’t? If you’re going to be obscure then I don’t want to have anything to do with you purely on the grounds that I have reason to believe you’re not being intellectually honest. Note that you have not explicitly answered any of my questions. If you are going to assert that sexuality is purely socialised then provide evidence to support it. The onus isn’t on me, or anyone else here, to prove that men and women can be naturally sexually attracted to men, or women, or both. The … | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 11:45 AM |
| 1 | Amazing how much women have changed since I was a teenLet’s just call it genetics for the hell of it. Why don’t you prove to me a good reason why men and women can’t be homosexual or bisexual? Considering that for the vast majority of history (which is far from being dominated by Anglo-Saxon/Roman/Judeo-Christian influence as a whole) homosexuality and bisexuality were not only not taboo but normal parts of culture? If you want me to prove why men and women can be not heterosexual, then I have to assume you have some evidence to support the opposit… | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 11:35 AM |
| 1 | Amazing how much women have changed since I was a teenIndividual difference, individual preference. Some people hate tomatoes, some don’t. Is it really such a challenging concept for you that people can be different? That the male sex, nor the female sex, are a monolith of sexual preference? | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 11:28 AM |
| 1 | Amazing how much women have changed since I was a teenMaybe a guy is just gay because he is sexually attracted to men. Maybe a women is just a lesbian because she is sexually attracted to women. Maybe a man or woman is bisexual because they are sexually attracted to either sex. Is your stance that sexual attraction is socialised (ie, learned)? Or is it inherent to the individual? | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 11:24 AM |
| 3 | Amazing how much women have changed since I was a teenNo. Sexuality doesn’t fall under socialisation. People can be socialised away from expressing their true sexual tendencies. But there isn’t any evidence to support the belief that the default for men and women is heterosexuality AND that any deviance is a result of choice or socialisation. Whilst heterosexuality is going to be the evolutionary default, there isn’t any reason to believe that gay, queer, lesbian (or other) sexualities are not only legitimate but real. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 08:08 AM |
| 2 | Amazing how much women have changed since I was a teenSo gay men aren’t really gay? It’s just socialised? | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 06:28 AM |
| 16 | Amazing how much women have changed since I was a teenNo. If a woman is attracted to other women and not men, that’s because that’s how they are. Choice doesn’t factor into your attraction. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 06:20 AM |
| 3 | Women are gaining the same privileges as males but aren’t required to register for the selective service -_-Understandable, I am not so great at following reddit-etiquette with displaying sarcastic or ironic turns of phrase. Whilst I do believe that there are privileges to being male, I cannot think of a single one that isn’t subverted into something that is exploited for the gain of others or something that is explicitly targeted as a way to disadvantage males. In other words, for the feminist framing of “male privilege” to be real, the advantages to being male would have to not be offset by the cost… | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 05:16 AM |
| 7 | Women are gaining the same privileges as males but aren’t required to register for the selective service -_-(Hence the question mark) | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 05:10 AM |
| 6 | Women are gaining the same privileges as males but aren’t required to register for the selective service -_-There’s systemic male privilege? | /r/MensRights | 05/02/22 04:57 AM |
| 1 | A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movementIt’s really quite funny that a great deal of feminist rhetoric around marriage revolves around how it is a patriarchal tool to control women and chiefly benefits men and subjugates women. If that were the case, why is it that men are the ones avoiding marriage at higher and higher rates and women (not all) the ones bemoaning the lack of men willing to marry? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if the results of feminism weren’t so tragic, feminism would be a comedy. | /r/MensRights | 03/02/22 07:33 AM |
| 3 | A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movementThere’s a very good reason why “kill all men” is far from a new idea in feminism. Male genocide and or eugenics programs where the population of men is drastically reduced has been suggested before. Ever heard or seen the phrase around “the future is female”? The source for that is pretty dark. It’s incredibly egregious that this quote is worn on t-shirts like it’s something to celebrate. | /r/MensRights | 02/02/22 02:00 PM |
| 6 | A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movementUnfortunately there is an important lesson and/or distinction to make here regarding radical vs non radical. Both “radical” and “non-radical” feminists agree fundamentally on “the problem”. “Radical” feminists and “non radical” feminists only differ in how far they are willing to go, how deeply they are willing to commit to “the solution.” | /r/MensRights | 02/02/22 10:19 AM |
| 2 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherNo apology needed. It’s easy to get short when writing responses informally on a forum (as I did myself). I think it’s fair to assume that we both value civility and intend to be respectful of each other as people, even whilst disagreeing intellectually. It’s why I try to keep criticism to the ideology, as redeeming individual feminists is not my objective. Obviously, not all feminists are motivated by a hatred of men, or some kind of warped view of men as inherently oppressive, brutish creature… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 01:50 PM |
| 1 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherMen experienced oppressive regimes or horrible lives in much the same manner as women do, that was my point by raising the class systems (such as slaves, serfs, etc.) the whole point is that they affected both genders. Women weren’t expressly denied education either across the board. I’ve been over this. Physicians, blacksmiths, etc. Men were also denied suffrage. They only won it a fraction of time before women did, main difference being that it was tied to military service. And yes, even then,… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 01:25 PM |
| 2 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherFurther, I’m not critiquing feminists, I’m critiquing the ideology. And for all your accusations of my ignorance, you haven’t demonstrated any of it. And no, I didn’t outright dismiss the dictionary definition, I just clarified it. These are all important distinctions. Stay on topic, stay on track. | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 01:11 PM |
| 1 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherEven if ideologies can changed to be entirely unrecognisable from how they began, it’s a moot point. Again, patriarchy theory, male tyranny, and female subjugation/oppression has been central to feminist theory and narrative for 170+ years. Considering how fundamental the beginning of feminism is to the discussion of what constitutes feminism, it is incredibly damning that I had to enlighten you to it. For what it’s worth, yes the tone of me saying “at least know as much as I do” was uncalled fo… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 01:08 PM |
| 1 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherYes, ideologies evolve in the manner of growing. But the tenets remain the same. Ideas are expanded, and theories developed. These are also facts. The heart of feminism hasn’t changed. Patriarchy theory, male tyranny, and female subjugation has been central right from start. Again, yes, there is not a consensus on the peripheral details, such as trans inclusion vs exclusion, sex positivity or negativity, and all the other subgroups combined. But without that unifying core belief system they can’… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 12:44 PM |
| 1 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherFeminism is the ideology, the feminist movement is the practice. The heart of the ideology remains the same, but the movement expands and changes over periods of time (whether by decade or by century, usually marked by great cultural/social shifts.) This is mirrored in democracy. Democratic ideology is consistent, valuing giving voting power to the people so the people can choose who governs them (this is extremely truncated.) Democratic practice changes over the years, you are absolutely right.… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 12:41 PM |
| 2 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherYou’re missing the point that I have very clearly outlined. Even if there are subgroups within feminism, just as there are subgroups within Christianity, there is something unifying them. Something that sets them apart from non-feminists and non-Christian’s respectively. I did not and have never said feminists agree on all things. But if they don’t agree on the core tenets of the ideology they share, then at least one of them mustn’t be a feminist after all. As we have already established, femin… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 12:36 PM |
| 1 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherIt is a declaration of sentiments. A fancy way of outlining very very clearly what exactly you believe and how exactly you plan to proceed. There isn’t room for vagueness in that, and it’s intellectually dishonest for you to suggest that. And yes, feminism did expand outward - but the core tenet of the patriarchy theory remained the same. In fact, more and more theories were built on top of the patriarchy foundation throughout the second and third waves. And yes, feminism is based on social, pol… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 12:32 PM |
| 1 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherDeclaration of Sentiments? Available in full (including the signatories) on Wikipedia. Just search declaration of sentiments. If you want to challenge that unifying set of beliefs I suggested, then you’re going to have to offer an alternative definition that passes the litmus test. Ie, what unifying set of beliefs can we recognise all feminists as sharing that explains their doctrine, scholarly works, theories, and beliefs? For example, if you took “patriarchy theory”, male tyranny and female su… | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 11:59 AM |
| 1 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherAlright, first thing we have to establish is that feminism is an ideology. A feminist is an adherent to/believer in that ideology. The feminist movement or the feminism movement is a movement based on the principles of feminism, which we have established is an ideology. How do we define feminism? Because there must be a definition. It cannot be self defined. Whilst there are various groups within feminism (TERFs, sex positive, sex negative come to mind) they all share a unifying set of beliefs. … | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 11:42 AM |
| 15 | A "gem" of double standards straight from this sub. You heard the lady, dogs! Men are rapists and are responsible for women getting piss drunk and being stupid. She's too drunk to know if she wants to open her own legs, but he's supposed to be drunk and know if someone else is sober enough for sex!Considering this persons myopic beliefs (at least, what I can gather from the screenshot) I am not surprised. That’s feminism for you. | /r/MensRights | 01/02/22 09:36 AM |
| 54 | A "gem" of double standards straight from this sub. You heard the lady, dogs! Men are rapists and are responsible for women getting piss drunk and being stupid. She's too drunk to know if she wants to open her own legs, but he's supposed to be drunk and know if someone else is sober enough for sex!How strange. Whoever this is, they seem to not believe women should be held accountable or responsible for their actions. Pretty misogynistic if you ask me lol | /r/MensRights | 01/02/22 09:26 AM |
| 3 | Hi, I just wanted to say this to all the men here. Go to therapy and stop antagonizing women for a living.Men have always, presumably since the beginning of time, had the upper hand over women? Consider that over the vast expanse of history in which we have witnessed the rise and fall of dictatorships, the rise and fall of tyrants and oppressive regimes at the hands of the peoples they oppressed... feminists are only just now (on behalf of women) managing to pick themselves up and start to fight back, and even after 170 years plus of "rebelling against tha patriarchy" we still live in a patriarchy? … | /r/MensRights | 01/02/22 03:00 AM |
| 7 | Women and feminists are not synonymous with each otherThe foundational principals of all flavours of feminism are inherently anti-male when you examine what needs to be true for them to accurately describe reality. | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 01:38 AM |
| 32 | What's ironic about women like this that they probably get to lead normal lives abusing anyone they wishAnyone else find it particularly ironic that tryingbutfailing2223 is talking about Rihanna like she's an object? Incapable of making her own decisions, or wise/smart decisions? ...... Pretty misogynistic if you ask me. | /r/AntiFeminists | 01/02/22 01:26 AM |
| 3 | How do I respond when women say men created the patriarchy?Whoops, sorry, I've just had another conversation that I've had recently with someone trying to say "first-wave feminism was all good until the second wave came along and ruined everything with their patriarchy nonsense" stuck in my head. Misinterpreted what you wrote, that's my bad. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/22 10:17 PM |
| 9 | How do I respond when women say men created the patriarchy?The word, or term, might have been popularised in the second wave, but u/OldEgalitarianMRA is right. From the opening paragraphs of the Declaration of Sentiments (Seneca Falls, 1848.) The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her. Whilst the term came later, the axiomatic concept was there from the beginning. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/22 10:14 PM |
| 7 | How do I respond when women say men created the patriarchy?Can I have a source and also elaboration for the pink tax part? Assuming you mean the net tax contributions by women versus men comparison, there is an article about it here. I don't know whether everyone reading this understands the difference between "Net" and "Gross" so I'm going to very briefly explain it. A worker might be earning $1000 dollars a week, but after deductions (such as tax and whatever else) they might only take home $900. This means their Gross earnings is $1000, but their Net… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/22 10:07 PM |
| 11 | How do I respond when women say men created the patriarchy?Pink Tax Not real. Even if it were, over the course of a lifetime women as a whole pay less into tax than the money they withdraw from the government in terms of benefits and services, and men as a whole pay more tax into the government than they withdraw in the same manner. This means that as a whole, women pay a net negative in tax. Of course, we could also bring up how things like the Bachelor Tax have been implemented in the past where single men were exclusively taxed for not being married … | /r/MensRights | 31/01/22 08:56 PM |
| 5 | Coming from a woman who cuts her hair short like a man😂🤣32 out of the 100 signers of the Declaration of Sentiments (the first wave original manifesto of feminism) were men, so yes, about 1/3rd of the original feminists were men. It’s not an isolated phenomenon either. By the feminists logic in that article, Roe V Wade was a mistake because it was signed in entirely by men. If the results of feminism weren’t so disastrous and tragic, feminism would be a comedy. | /r/AntiFeminists | 30/01/22 10:28 AM |
| 15 | Reddit Mods call all MRA's "Misogynist Terrorists" and then try to gaslight me by implying my lack of parental rights is only a "belief".Words from a friend of mine (a woman and a mother, not that should mean anything): “If he’s good enough to fuck, and good enough to have a kid with, then he’s good enough to be a dad.” | /r/MensRights | 25/01/22 02:33 PM |
| 7 | What are the psychological mechanisms behind upset feminists?It's got a lot to do with how people work at a fundamental level. People are usually far easier to persuade with emotional appeal. You don't incite riots by distributing essays written in a calm and academic tone. You incite riots by appealing to anger, jealousy, hatred, etc. Gamma Bias and the Empathy Gap certainly play a role when discussing the male and female aspects of an argument. Eg, when people discuss rape there is the initial assumption that men can't be raped, and women don't rape, et… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/22 11:44 PM |
| 7 | Julie Burchill, a Feminist: “When the sex war is won prostitutes should be shot as collaborators for their terrible betrayal of all women.” I wonder what she has in mind for men after the feminist victory if mere collaborators are shot? Skinning?Feminism doesn't really have clearly defined groups because one of the inherent traits of feminism is resistance to definition and a lack of self-awareness. When this dichotomy first appeared amongst feminists there were individual feminist icons that took a clear side in the debate, but since then there hasn't really been an effort to "separate" the two "sides". You can see how they have done this with TERFs; where a large portion of feminist adherents kind of globally accepted that there needs… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/22 10:55 PM |
| 5 | Julie Burchill, a Feminist: “When the sex war is won prostitutes should be shot as collaborators for their terrible betrayal of all women.” I wonder what she has in mind for men after the feminist victory if mere collaborators are shot? Skinning?You’re very welcome. It’s something that I had spent some amount of time researching and talking with feminist colleagues about because it was baffling to see only fans being celebrated but “objectification of women” being demonised. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/22 10:23 PM |
| 12 | Julie Burchill, a Feminist: “When the sex war is won prostitutes should be shot as collaborators for their terrible betrayal of all women.” I wonder what she has in mind for men after the feminist victory if mere collaborators are shot? Skinning?There's a very good reason that (from the outside looking in) there seems to be a lot of hypocrisy (and there is) in feminism around the subject of women's sexuality and promiscuity. I believe we have the emergence of onlyfans existing in stark contrast to all the efforts to crim the "sexual objectification of women" causing a large number of people to experience cognitive dissonance. This dichotomy in feminism started around the 90s. The feminist ideologues (like Dworkin, Daly, Atkinson, de Bea… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/22 10:17 PM |
| 6 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than women*twirls hair into pigtails* | /r/MensRights | 19/01/22 02:11 PM |
| 8 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenBill Burr said it best. There's no such thing as a feminist in a house fire. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/22 01:52 PM |
| 7 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenOh boy, you are not ready for researching the genocide of Srebrenica, 1995. Don't worry though, the women and children were most affected. By the 8000 men/boys who were massacred. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/22 01:37 PM |
| 10 | Feminists Judging All Men: A ResponsePART THREE Bonus question: is feminism and women’s rights advocacy synonymous? Yes or no? If yes, why? If no, why not? Yes and no. For me they are synonymous. For others they are not. To tie back into a point I touched on in part two; no. That isn't how this works. It either is, or it isn't. The reality that you're presenting in which you consider Feminism to be some self-defined concept means that is, essentially, a theology that exists in the self. It is self-defined, it is amorphous, it is im… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/22 01:21 PM |
| 10 | Feminists Judging All Men: A ResponsePART TWO If feminism (an ideology) can be defined, how do you define it? I like to keep it simple. Feminism is the belief that women are equal to men and that society should strive for gender equality through the uplifting of women. But if I were to dive a little deeper, I'd say it has a few definitions. That is not an ideology, that is a mission statement. Feminism is an ideology first. Consider the -ism. Also, regarding the concept of a mercurial definition: If it is something that is impo… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/22 01:11 PM |
| 13 | Feminists Judging All Men: A ResponsePART ONE What differentiates a feminist from a non-feminist? Okay, that's kind of difficult to answer because I want to be fair This is not logically coherent. If you identify with an ideological or theological doctrine then you either are an adherent, or you are not. Either someone is a feminist, or they are not. Let's play this out in a thought experiment. Here is a theoretical example of four people who have conflicting views; and let us assume that at least one of them but not all of them ca… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/22 12:52 PM |
| 5 | Feminists Judging All Men: A ResponseQuestions for the OP: What differentiates a feminist from a non-feminist? If feminism (an ideology) can be defined, how do you define it? Edit: Bonus question: is feminism and women’s rights advocacy synonymous? Yes or no? If yes, why? If no, why not? | /r/MensRights | 19/01/22 11:49 AM |
| 4 | How would you best deal with your baby missing?I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Best advice I can offer as an alienated father is talk to multiple lawyers. Keep probing and keep searching and remember that you are hiring them, not the other way around. If they don’t help you get to where you want to be you can look elsewhere | /r/MensRights | 19/01/22 11:22 AM |
| 6 | FSW Take your own advice, please.What feminists try to push is a pair of theories that are underpinnings to their patriarchy theory. The first underpinning is that sex is 100% a social construct and there is nothing biological or evolutionary about it. This has been debunked. Biology does play a role. At this stage, there isn't a consensus nor really a way to truly come to a conclusion as to, say, what "percentage" is biological hardwiring/evolutionary versus socialisation (though the most compelling argument I've read is the t… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 18/01/22 06:01 AM |
| 6 | FSW Take your own advice, please.Oh my, this is such a self-aware-wolves moment for feminists. Actually gave me a big ol' chuckle. Thanks OP | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 18/01/22 05:46 AM |
| 2 | Feminists judging all men. A dialogue.Environ has to hang his lantern on the no true scotsman fallacy. Because as soon as you make the argument that feminism as an ideology holds axiomatic beliefs which are all misandristic in nature (patriarchy, patriarchal domestic terrorism, rape culture, male privilege and female subjugation, etc) then Environs attempt to shift attention away from the feminists who aren't openly sexist falls comically flat on it's face. The problem is with the ideology. Whilst some feminists may not be motivated… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/22 05:30 AM |
| 16 | ah yes, very logicalYou laugh but feminists have already been blaming climate change/climate problems on the patriarchy for some years now | /r/AntiFeminists | 18/01/22 12:55 AM |
| 2 | And the total lack of accountability beginsOriginally charged with murder, the man pleaded guilty Friday to manslaughter for the killing of one infant son and assault for injuries inflicted on the other boy. He remains free on bail while awaiting a sentencing in March. The boys’ mother has already pleaded guilty to obstructing justice. She received a conditional discharge. I couldn't see anything indicating the mother was charged with murder in your link. We do see however that the man was originally charged with murder, but pleaded gu… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/22 10:28 PM |
| 19 | I need an example of a woman systemically oppressing men. It could also be a group of women or a women lead/centered/dominated organization/grouo oppressing men or discriminating against them.Well, in a very real sense, the laws surrounding rape put in place at the behest of Mary P Koss, feminist academic, oppress male victims of rape by virtue of marginalising and silencing them. However, I’d argue this oppresses male victims, not men as a whole… it’s a thin distinction but it is there. You might also argue that Ellen Pence and her team of feminists in Minnesota (who created the Duluth Model) and advocated for it as a model of recognising and diagnosing domestic violence have covert… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/22 11:03 PM |
| 4 | Young actress directed by woman, filmed by female cinematographer, but not objectified as if "a male filmmaker were behind the camera." (Can someone explain to me the logic of this article?)Not entirely true. Gay men are not a homogenous blob, just as straight men aren’t, nor straight women nor lesbian women. One of my best friends is gay and has been openly since we were in grade 8 together. Most of his best friends are guys, but his numero uno friend is a woman. Interestingly enough, he disparages a lot of women who try to “make him” their “gay male best friend”. His words to me is that there is a trend amongst (his words) “straight white women” who love to fetishise gay men in t… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/22 11:30 AM |
| 26 | Young actress directed by woman, filmed by female cinematographer, but not objectified as if "a male filmmaker were behind the camera." (Can someone explain to me the logic of this article?)Neuroticism. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/22 11:56 PM |
| 6 | FSW this is your brain on Feminism.Wait till those fourth wave women hear about the word “date.” By their logic; a specific day on a calendar and taking a woman or man out for a romantic engagement are both actually oblong fruits. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 07/01/22 09:41 PM |
| 12 | More than twice as many children are killed by mothers acting alone than by fathers acting aloneWow. I am amazed. Here is your first comment to put things into perspective as a "where we started" to "where we are now". Does this really have anything to do with mens rights or is this more of a 'check this out women are bad' post? Yes, it does have something to do with men's rights, and no it is not a "women are bad" post, as I have aptly demonstrated. If you want to acknowledge that point then I'll be more than happy to continue on a very tangential conversation but until then I'll consider… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/22 12:19 PM |
| 10 | More than twice as many children are killed by mothers acting alone than by fathers acting aloneYes, I realise this... Boring and time-wasting to engage ultimately. | /r/MensRights | 06/01/22 12:13 PM |
| 12 | More than twice as many children are killed by mothers acting alone than by fathers acting aloneI'm not going to spend hours unpacking several sources. But I am going to touch on some failings and/or logical black holes of these studies/articles/sources. First link: Family Court awarding custody primarily to mothers. Even if we ignore the tangible and real fact that the majority of primary and or sole custody bearers of children are women (mothers), the problem with most of the studies that attack the mother-bias phenomenon in family court as a "myth" is that they only look at the outcomes… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/22 12:11 PM |
| 17 | More than twice as many children are killed by mothers acting alone than by fathers acting aloneYou’re right, every case should be judged on its individual merit, each individual should be judged as an individual and not part of a group identity assigned by an immutable characteristic. If you were to judge someone by the immutable characteristic of sex for example, that would be sexist. By the immutable characteristic of race? Racist. Etc. You’re missing the key issue here, which has been iterated time and again. Policy. Consider the Duluth Model, and other prejudicial narratives and frame… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/22 11:35 AM |
| 16 | More than twice as many children are killed by mothers acting alone than by fathers acting aloneI'm going to extend an olive branch and assume that your gross misrepresentation of not only what I've written but the OP's post is not a milquetoast attempt at a strawman, but just a failure to understand. We are dealing with. 000009 percent of the population Yes. Most violence (and violent crime) is perpetrated by a vanishingly small % of the population. How should that small of a sample size challenge preconceived notions? See my first comment: One of the concepts that works against the MRM i… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/22 11:06 AM |
| 39 | More than twice as many children are killed by mothers acting alone than by fathers acting aloneChallenging social preconceptions is a big part of mens rights activism, because despite some amazing contributors to the MRM (Warren Farrell, Karen Straughan, and others) one of the biggest road blocks to issues surrounding mens human rights is the failure of society to recognise men as human. One of the concepts that works against the MRM is the omnipresent idea that men are a near-homogenous blob of threat and violence. Amongst other spheres where this is relevant is the sphere of family cour… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/22 10:45 AM |
| 13 | For people interested, I highly recommend this documentary on mens rights.The reason for that figure is that in hospitals/ERs if a patient has committed self harm it is written up as a suicide attempt. Frankly, women are far more likely to commit such behaviour, pleas for attention and cries for help and the like, because they know that they will get it. So no, women don’t actually attempt suicide more often. | /r/MensRights | 04/01/22 04:21 AM |
| 8 | What are your thoughts on Australian feminist, Clementine Ford?Promoting division and a hatred of men is quintessential to their ideology. 100%. | /r/AntiFeminists | 02/01/22 10:20 AM |
| 7 | yOu’rE a pIck mE gIrLNever forget; Feminism always projects. | /r/MensRights | 02/01/22 09:34 AM |
| 33 | What are your thoughts on Australian feminist, Clementine Ford?I'll do it for the both of us. I live in South Australia and I have already lost access to my son due to a completely and irrevocably fucked family court system. I have nothing to lose. Clementine Ford is the epitome of classic feminism. She is a misandristic and misogynistic refuse dump of animated hatred. She is a hypocrite and a cunt of the highest order. The fact that she is a woman means absolutely nothing to me. I'd say the exact same words if Clementine Ford was actually Clayton Ford. I m… | /r/AntiFeminists | 02/01/22 08:51 AM |
| 5 | Well if this doesn’t describe feminists then I don’t know anythingNeither, it's about feminists being used to capitulation. And when people try to hold feminists accountable, they feel like they are being oppressed. | /r/AntiFeminists | 02/01/22 08:41 AM |
| 2 | Wisdom often has surprising originsThe insinuation is clearly and evidently that an attempt to attack a concept, belief, idea (etc) by attacking a characteristic of the person/people making it rather than the merit and or content of the concept itself is something a child would do. Funnily enough, I think that calling that behaviour childish in and of itself is incredibly charitable. I’d call it something far worse. But hey, if the argument against anti-feminism or the main talking points of the MRM are so rock-solid and unassail… | /r/AntiFeminists | 02/01/22 05:55 AM |
| 7 | FSW the many predictions were right; Feminists are straight up trying to downplay Maxwell's involvement by #yesallmen-ing the verdict. This is what apex Feminism looks like.In the bottom image they don’t even use her name or the term child trafficker (or any variation thereof) either. Man bad woman good, but even when woman bad… still man badder. Their lack of self awareness is unreal. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 01/01/22 09:48 PM |
| 14 | FSW you're grateful to be brainwashed.It is particularly humorous that she used the term “critical thinking”. I guess she read it somewhere and thought it sounded cool and snappy. Never mind that feminism is an ideology founded on a premise first that cherry picks half truths (or outright lies) to support it. Which is the exact opposite of critical thinking, being analysing facts to form a judgment. Gotta love the comedic value coming out of the victimhood cult. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 30/12/21 10:29 PM |
| 22 | Do feminist believe that they didn’t create the hookup culture? That the sexual liberation/revolution didn’t play a part in it?It’s really quite easy to tell what feminists think of any aspect of western society and culture. If it’s framed as something positive, they did it. If it’s framed as something negative, they had nothing to do with it. The best part is when they contradict themselves. One of my favourites is the custody of children going typically to the mother by default. Promotion of sexual liberty in women is another great one of course and the paradox of devaluing sex and sexuality. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/21 12:52 AM |
| 3 | Just ahppy to report of men's rape awareness and acceptancesWe are still a long way from large scale awareness. There’s still ridicule of serious talking points related to mens rights activism. But there’s also a growing discontent with feminism. People are catching on to its ridiculous need to constantly be playing victim. I was in a cinema with some mates to see the second hitmans bodyguard movie some months ago and a lady off to the front (she looked mid forties) made an audible comment about a domestic violence ad that appeared before the movie to he… | /r/MensRights | 28/12/21 01:59 PM |
| 6 | Feminism in action ladies and gentlemen!Alright, since you won't do it, I'm going to fill in the blanks and you tell me if I'm off base and why. "The Patriarchy" refers to a society that is male-dominated, and whilst some men may suffer under this society, ultimately male dominance privileges men over women wherein it operates to serve men's needs drives and interests at the expense of women's needs drives and interests. Is that accurate? If not, why not? Once I have your confirmation, clarification, or correction on this I'll continu… | /r/AntiFeminists | 28/12/21 01:42 PM |
| 9 | Feminism in action ladies and gentlemen!The patriarchal system that is based on oppressing women... What is this system Who runs it Who is responsible for it How long has it been around | /r/AntiFeminists | 28/12/21 01:31 PM |
| 10 | Feminism in action ladies and gentlemen!Let's flip the script then, what gives you the authority to call yourself a feminist? | /r/AntiFeminists | 28/12/21 01:09 PM |
| 13 | Feminism in action ladies and gentlemen!What makes you a feminist? | /r/AntiFeminists | 28/12/21 01:05 PM |
| 9 | Just ahppy to report of men's rape awareness and acceptancesBaby steps. We just have to stick to our guns, keep being open and honest. Once a social issue is made aware to about 12-14% of the societal zeitgeist it becomes a tipping point for accelerated growth in social awareness. Be patient and persistent folks. Changes won’t happen quick. But they will be inexorable. | /r/MensRights | 28/12/21 10:23 AM |
| 2 | Another "men can walk freely at night" comment full of blatant lies.Way to move the goalposts. First comparing women getting assaulted vs men getting robbed, to women getting sexually assaulted at night and men not, and now narrowing it to nightlife as though these crimes only happen during nocturnal social activities (like clubbing or going to bars.) I had to break it down because you were ignoring the substance of the comment that directly invalidated male victims of stalking, male victims of sexual assault, and male victims of harassment, and pretending like … | /r/MensRights | 28/12/21 04:04 AM |
| 3 | Another "men can walk freely at night" comment full of blatant lies.In the nightlife, women have the fear of being sexually assualted. Men of being assualted Thank you for making your position clear. It's inaccurate but at least it's clear. Unfortunately, I had to break the simple comment down because you were demonstrating a lack of comprehension. Your position might be what you interpreted from that comment, but it is just a belief that rests on the implied premise that male victims don't experience sexual assault, harassment, or stalking like female victims d… | /r/MensRights | 28/12/21 01:28 AM |
| 4 | Another "men can walk freely at night" comment full of blatant lies.Well yes, the two aren’t mutually exclusive | /r/MensRights | 28/12/21 01:08 AM |
| 10 | Another "men can walk freely at night" comment full of blatant lies.Feminism is a victimhood based ideology - and for them to be a victim they need a perpetrator. Hence patriarchy theory, rape culture, duluth model... #yesallmen, #killallmen, etc. Their ideology is fundamentally incapable of casting men as anything other than a monolithic perpetrator class. | /r/MensRights | 28/12/21 12:20 AM |
| 3 | Another "men can walk freely at night" comment full of blatant lies.I am consistently amazed at your lack of reading comprehension. You might not be (which seems to be inconsistent with what you said here), but the original post isn't about saying men are different victims, it's suggesting men are barely victims compared to all the horrible things women go through that men apparently don't. Hypocritically, the OP in the posted image and you yourself are actually the ones invalidating men, because no one here has said or even suggested it doesn't happen to women … | /r/MensRights | 28/12/21 12:14 AM |
| 4 | Another "men can walk freely at night" comment full of blatant lies.Show me where it says they're comparing getting robbed to getting sexually assaulted. Because what it looks like to me with my "forrest gump iq" is that the post is suggesting that when men get "jumped" (OP doesn't even deign to call it assaulted or robbed") that's all it is, it ends there. But when women get "assaulted" they also have to worry about experiencing sexual assault or stalking, whereas men allegedly don't, and furthermore, this is a "staggeringly common" experience for women. Forest… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/21 11:46 PM |
| 5 | Another "men can walk freely at night" comment full of blatant lies.So you missed the whole part where the original post opens with dismissing mens victimhood and suggesting that being a victim is not only worse for women but a uniquely female experience? | /r/MensRights | 27/12/21 11:30 PM |
| 6 | “I like men, but without the n.”Lack of everything rights in The middle east The all-middle-eastern-women-are-oppressed is a common misconception. Life in the middle east is and can be somewhat oppressive to both men and women, sure. lack of bodily rights in Texas, Ignoring the fact that in the west women have more bodily autonomy than men do, the voter base is more women than men and furthermore on the matter of abortion men and women are pretty evenly split on the issue, and some studies indicate that women overall are more … | /r/MensRights | 25/12/21 11:06 PM |
| 14 | “I like men, but without the n.”Citation needed | /r/MensRights | 25/12/21 10:11 AM |
| 4 | I actually love being a guyLOL | /r/MensRights | 24/12/21 10:52 PM |
| 4 | TW: SA MensRights, why is this subreddit known for harassing women on a rape sub?Non feminist women are perpetuating their own oppression? That’s ironic | /r/MensRights | 24/12/21 03:00 AM |
| 7 | TW: SA MensRights, why is this subreddit known for harassing women on a rape sub?There’s a good reason why egalitarianism and feminism are not synonymous. | /r/MensRights | 24/12/21 02:57 AM |
| 7 | TW: SA MensRights, why is this subreddit known for harassing women on a rape sub?Citation needed | /r/MensRights | 24/12/21 01:22 AM |
| 10 | What legal privileges have men got that women don't have?(My point exactly) | /r/MensRights | 23/12/21 03:16 PM |
| 11 | What legal privileges have men got that women don't have?I’m glad it was helpful | /r/MensRights | 23/12/21 02:47 PM |
| 5 | What legal privileges have men got that women don't have?Oh , without question. Absolutely. That’s certainly a factor. | /r/MensRights | 23/12/21 02:41 PM |
| 114 | What legal privileges have men got that women don't have?“Rights” have always been something that are granted by whatever ruling body that exists at whatever time period you look at. Very few of them are inalienable, in fact, the whole idea that some rights (human rights) are inalienable is a relatively new one. Gynocentrism and female pedestalisation accounts for the majority of disparity in “rights” afforded to people in western society. To paraphrase Karen Straughan; gynocentrism is a train and it needs constant push back. We are all biologically w… | /r/MensRights | 23/12/21 02:19 PM |
| 8 | What legal privileges have men got that women don't have?Thinking of it as a “pendulum” means you don’t have an accurate comprehension of history. | /r/MensRights | 23/12/21 02:10 PM |
| 1 | Woman got away with murdering her 7 year old daughter. A man would have got the chair.For the sake of clarity (I’m not 100% on understanding this so I appreciate correction or clarification please): de facto contextually means something that is “a practice not officially recognised by law” and de jure contextually means something that is “a practice that is officially recognised by law”. Is this accurate? | /r/MensRights | 23/12/21 02:07 PM |
| 0 | Women only mental health service started in Victoria Australia because women need a safe place to heal free from men's violenceSeeing as you don’t want to actually converse I’ll leave my response in reply to my own comment. I had a fair idea of what your point was, but it seems like you didn’t want to defend it. Hence why you have deleted your comments u/snipehardt If you have anything worthwhile to contribute please do so. If you just want to chuck a tantrum and agitate by all means, that’s a reflection on you. Not me, and not this sub. | /r/MensRights | 22/12/21 04:52 AM |
| 0 | Women only mental health service started in Victoria Australia because women need a safe place to heal free from men's violenceAre you drunk? | /r/MensRights | 22/12/21 04:44 AM |
| 5 | Women only mental health service started in Victoria Australia because women need a safe place to heal free from men's violenceMale disposability and female pedestalisation/gynocentrism are not isolated problems unfortunately. Men in Australia, the US, and the UK all suffer similar prejudices and anti-male sentiments across the western world. I am reasonably confident the OP is Australian as a large part of his post history is stuff relating to Australia. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/21 08:32 AM |
| 8 | Women only mental health service started in Victoria Australia because women need a safe place to heal free from men's violenceI don’t know what you being a man has to do with anything. I also don’t understand why men in Australia being potentially different to men in the USA would be brought up when talking about providing funding and support for male mental health or male victims of domestic abuse. Are you suggesting that men in Australia might be or are more prone to violence and domestic abuse? | /r/MensRights | 21/12/21 07:58 AM |
| 5 | Women only mental health service started in Victoria Australia because women need a safe place to heal free from men's violenceWhat do you mean “different social climates” and how is it relevant to the issue? | /r/MensRights | 21/12/21 07:39 AM |
| 1 | "Its men doing that to other men" - Response to struggles men face, stumped me in a debate with friends and I regret not knowing what to sayYeah, I wish I’d saved it. Last I saw that was about a year and a half ago but I can’t find it anymore | /r/MensRights | 21/12/21 12:49 AM |
| 4 | Honestly women cannot handle rejection or take an LShe’s the news presenter who tried time and time again to unintelligently misrepresent what her debate opponent was saying for about 30 minutes straight. It’s a masterclass in strawman fallacy. You can keep trying to misrepresent what I said, but that’s fine. It’s all right there in plain text for wrinkly brained people to see what has been discussed. Here’s the source material for what has spawned the “Kathy Newman Award”: https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54 | /r/MensRights | 16/12/21 12:38 PM |
| 4 | Honestly women cannot handle rejection or take an LTry again Kathy Newman, try again… | /r/MensRights | 16/12/21 12:33 PM |
| 7 | Honestly women cannot handle rejection or take an LFirst; he's not complaining so much about the nature of women, which he might not be aware is neatly encompassed by the term hypergamy (which in and of itself isn't actually a bad thing. It's a biological imperative.) He's complaining about the attitude that is associated with the 'double standard'. Hypergamy is very real, and most people are okay with it because it makes sense. What most people aren't okay with is the unnecessary entitlement that often comes with it in a society the promotes na… | /r/MensRights | 16/12/21 11:13 AM |
| 9 | Honestly women cannot handle rejection or take an LEh, it’s got a lot more to do with confidence and assertiveness. “Bad boys” have these in spades, which no matter feminists wish it weren’t so, are so very attractive to women. The whole “nice guy” thing is absolutely a turn off to women because it reeks of supplication and a lack of assertiveness. A lot of this is rooted in biology and how the hypothalamus regulates hormones related to attraction, lust, and attachment. So whilst your narrative isn’t necessarily wrong (re: bad boy / nice guy dic… | /r/MensRights | 16/12/21 10:52 AM |
| 39 | So you know the rules AutoModerator send to you when you first comment in a new sub? I followed the link, asked a question and got this responseThe list of atrocities committed against people spanning the world and the recorded history are too numerous to count or list. But one thing is for certain. Whilst women and girls have certainly suffered and their cries and tears are justified, there are far more men and boys that will never cry or weep again - and even of those who did, very few cared. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/21 09:59 PM |
| 6 | So you know the rules AutoModerator send to you when you first comment in a new sub? I followed the link, asked a question and got this responseYeah, pulled it from this article | /r/MensRights | 13/12/21 09:54 PM |
| 88 | So you know the rules AutoModerator send to you when you first comment in a new sub? I followed the link, asked a question and got this responseYou should send them a link to a news article covering the Srebrenica Massacre of 1995 - the worst mass killing since WW2 where 7000 8000 boys and men were singled out to be executed en masse. And then send a follow-up link of a picture of the aftermath of the said massacre to put things in perspective. But fuck men, right? Edit: My mistake, it was closer to 8000. What a wet dream it must have been for feminists. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/21 09:18 PM |
| 4 | "Its men doing that to other men" - Response to struggles men face, stumped me in a debate with friends and I regret not knowing what to sayThey also completely redefined the term patriarchy into something it doesn’t mean. Feminism often plays a shell game with its words and definitions. Gotta be smarter. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/21 05:39 PM |
| 11 | "Its men doing that to other men" - Response to struggles men face, stumped me in a debate with friends and I regret not knowing what to sayOh you peanut. Prove that there is such thing as the feminist defined patriarchy first. Forest for the trees man. Forest for the trees | /r/MensRights | 13/12/21 12:12 PM |
| 43 | "Its men doing that to other men" - Response to struggles men face, stumped me in a debate with friends and I regret not knowing what to sayYou're welcome, of course. As for what to do next...? That's a hard question to answer. Ultimately only you can know. Conspicuous advocacy for men's rights and welfare has a high bar, in that socially and often professionally you can be swiftly ostracized and marginalised for daring to express any sentiments that fall in line with the things the MRM are advocating for. It comes down to what you value, and your goals both short and long term. There's safety in the proverbial herd after all, and i… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/21 08:32 AM |
| 284 | "Its men doing that to other men" - Response to struggles men face, stumped me in a debate with friends and I regret not knowing what to sayFirst things first, that’s victim blaming. Imagine if you excused violence against women in lesbian relationships because they shared genitalia with the offender? Second… domestic violence isn’t gendered anyway. When you compare “rape” statistics with “made to envelop” statistics there’s essentially parity. And if you go to my comment history and look at the last comment I made before this one there’s citations from studies which indicate that women are equal participants in domestic violence in… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/21 08:08 AM |
| 7 | Opinion on feminism?Sure, we can start with this publication from 2001, where the findings indicate that 24% of all relationships had some level of violence. Half of those relationships involved just one of the partners being violent. The other half were reciprocally violent. And in relationships where violence was perpetrated by just one person, over 70% of that was committed by the woman.In all relationships in that particular study, more than 7 out of 10 batterers were female. We can dig deeper though and look a… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/21 12:41 AM |
| 4 | Opinion on feminism?Sorry, wrote the wrong word. Still haven't had my coffee yet. I meant to say domestic, not sexual. AFAIK researchers are only recently (past decade or two) even starting to approach sexual violence as something not gendered. So to clarify what I meant to say was women are more likely to initiate domestic violence. Thank you for prompting me to double-check what I'd written. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/21 11:54 PM |
| 3 | Opinion on feminism?So by your own admission feminism is not a good movement. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/21 10:02 PM |
| 5 | Opinion on feminism?no feminist is really concerned about these issues Then why are so many feminists really really concerned about those issues? i’m guessing you don’t really know a lot about feminism What makes you think you do? What makes you think you are one? we are worried about gender-based violence and sexual assault Violence isn't gendered, neither is sexual assault. If you want to die on that hill though, that's fine - just know that men are victimised at higher rates than women are in practically every s… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/21 10:00 PM |
| 2 | Mens right to have a say in abortionI appreciate the compliment. If you want clarification on anything in particular or suggestions for a place to start looking for more information on something let me know. I wrote that quite hastily (was in the middle of doing other things) and smashed a few ideas together without thorough explanation. It flows well if you have a working understanding of all the things I wrote about already but if you don’t then it probably reads disjointed and quite hard to understand. | /r/MensRights | 05/12/21 07:42 PM |
| 1 | Mens right to have a say in abortionI don’t accept your premise that consent to sex cannot be consent to pregnancy because it’s a biological mechanism. When an adult engages in an activity that has a known potential outcome and don’t take the adequate steps to prevent that outcome, they are very much consenting to that outcome whether they like it or not. If you drive home with a few too many drinks under your belt and you get pulled over by a cop for driving erratically, as much as you don’t like it you consented to that outcome.… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/21 07:33 PM |
| 1 | Mens right to have a say in abortionHahaha neither thank goodness. Too much of a conscience for the former and not gullible enough for the latter | /r/MensRights | 05/12/21 07:06 PM |
| 3 | Mens right to have a say in abortionMen are not rapists any more than women are. Rapists are human scum that just happen to be equally capable - and as the stats bear out, equally likely - to be men as they are women. If you are just trolling, then well done, you got me. If you truly believe what you're saying then you need help. If you don't want to get help then you'll have a better time over at FDS or two X chromosomes. As it currently stands, I have nothing else left to say to you. I wish you all the best. | /r/MensRights | 05/12/21 01:46 AM |
| 3 | Multiple of my detractors in other subs look at my history / involvement in this thread and use it as an insult against me. What is so bad about men having rights?To prove that feminism was originally about equality you'd have to provide evidence to support a few things, but also establish some other things. What needs to be established: 1) "Original Feminism": who, what, when. The feminist movement is defined by its ideology. It is generally accepted that Feminism began somewhere between 1830 and 1848. If you disagree that this is the beginning of feminism (ie, 'original') you would need to provide the "who, what, and when" for the alternative. 2) The de… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/21 01:36 AM |
| 3 | Mens right to have a say in abortionIt absolutely is a complex matter, 100% agree on that. Due to the inherent factors of gamma bias, the women are wonderful effect, gynocentrism, male disposability, (so on and so forth), it's going to be really hard to affect societal change without challenging underlying and pervasive attitudes towards men and women that are seeded both in our collective zeitgeist and evolutionary psychology. When I suggested the idea that a lot of social and legal problems would go away with fixing the empathy … | /r/MensRights | 05/12/21 01:25 AM |
| 7 | Mens right to have a say in abortionI'd normally prefer to engage in healthy and intellectual discourse because it has the potential of being far more productive. That being said, if I see a feminist in the wild spreading their hateful propaganda I can't just let their sexist and unsupportable drivel go unchecked. I truly believe a great deal of the social and legal problems facing men and women would go away if: 1) men were afforded the same empathy that women enjoy, and, 2) women were expected to shoulder the same accountability… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/21 12:34 AM |
| 2 | Multiple of my detractors in other subs look at my history / involvement in this thread and use it as an insult against me. What is so bad about men having rights?Originally feminism was all about equality Citation needed. | /r/MensRights | 05/12/21 12:20 AM |
| 12 | Mens right to have a say in abortionWow, okay, plenty of misogyny and misandry in your response - and no shortage of goalpost shifting too. The problem is men who have sex with people they are not married to and create pregnancies. You realise you're talking about women like they're objects here, right? One could just as easily say 'the problem is women who have sex with people they are not married to and get pregnant as a result.' Why is one more valid than the other? Something for you to think about. Men do have the "power" to… | /r/MensRights | 04/12/21 11:58 PM |
| 11 | Mens right to have a say in abortionAnd herein lies the problem with responsibility and accountability. In societies where abortion is legal women are the sole arbiter and solely responsible for any child that is brought to term, as they have the ultimate choice and ability to decide whether they abort or not. Why is it then that men are expected to be accountable when they don’t have that power? Why is the story “tell men to keep it in their pants” rather than “tell women to keep their legs together”? | /r/MensRights | 04/12/21 11:25 PM |
| 15 | Mens right to have a say in abortionIf consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, then abortion is illegal by default unless in cases of rape, and in cases where there is a distinct medical exemption where pregnancy or childbirth might kill/significantly harm the mother. Therefore, outside of some distinct circumstances, your question of “who gets a say” becomes irrelevant. Because by default any conception results in a mother who can’t abort. This also means that even if the mother and father both agree that they want to abort they … | /r/MensRights | 04/12/21 10:05 PM |
| 61 | Mens right to have a say in abortionIt’s impossible to have a democracy of two. You’ve identified the problem explicitly. If the father wants it but the mother doesn’t, then who gets the final say? This is part of the reason why a large portion of the MRM advocates for Legal Paternal Surrender, aka the paper abortion, for the cases where the mother decides she wants to keep a pregnancy but the father never consented. In the cases where there is an unexpected pregnancy and the father wants to keep it but the mother doesn’t? The que… | /r/MensRights | 04/12/21 09:47 PM |
| 16 | Couldn’t post in AITA, so I’m posting hereAbsolutely not the asshole. That entire family is FUBAR. You can beat yourself up in hindsight for actions not taken but it isn’t helpful. The normal human thing to do is assume good faith and fair intentions in other people. Could you have enforced boundaries? Sure. Should you have? Almost definitely. Should your ex have? Absolutely. Your ex fucked up, and buried himself in the lie. Amanda is desperately trying to hold the threads of her life together and is just as culpable as her daughter. An… | /r/MensRights | 02/12/21 08:10 AM |
| 19 | FSW you were this👌 close to being self-aware. So very, very close...My god, this is comedic. I wonder just how long this individual would have to be feeling water run down their hair and face, and what percentage of clothes they are wearing to be saturated, before they realised they are standing in the rain. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 01/12/21 07:29 PM |
| 2 | recent experience here with a feministSadly, that’s not hyperbole. It’s a sentiment that appears in a great deal of feminist icons, some of my favourites are from Marilyn French. “All men are rapists, and that's all they are. They rape us with their eyes, their laws, their codes.” (The Women's Room) “As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his … | /r/AntiFeminists | 29/11/21 08:01 AM |
| 4 | "Men should pay child support no matter what" says oblivious reddit usersIt’s likely deliberate trolling. The alternative is that they have a genuine messianic complex coupled with a low iq. Meaning that they really think they’re being helpful but are woefully ill-equipped to see how simpleminded (verging on utterly witless) they are. | /r/MensRights | 27/11/21 07:36 PM |
| 2 | My mother blatantly said "This is called karma for what men have done to women"I’m convinced that you could tell any one of these mouth breathers a historical lie, (you could make one up on the spot), and as long as women are victimised in some way (even better if men are simultaneously advantaged in some way) they’d believe it 100% no questions asked. Heck, it would probably be really easy to make some up and get them circulating in short order. Just have to go to some gynocentric subreddits like 2X, FDS, datingadvice, etc and drop some rage-baity lies in response to some… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 09:03 PM |
| 1 | Man tries to pick up his son from his exes house and gets shot twice by by his sons stepfather.Yeah, it’s not a good system… No point getting the court order to allow me to post letters etc to my son - she could just set anything I sent on fire and there’s no way to enforce it. Don’t know where he lives either so I can’t just show up to things. I appreciate the thought and sentiment, but there really anything to do but wait until he’s 18 and hope he reaches out (or runs away from home or something like that when he’s 16 /shrug ) | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 08:52 PM |
| 3 | My mother blatantly said "This is called karma for what men have done to women"I can’t tell you how long I’ve been looking for that exact document. Bless you! | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 01:33 PM |
| 10 | Man tries to pick up his son from his exes house and gets shot twice by by his sons stepfather.I know who she is, but as with the Australian Brotherhood of Fathers I don’t see how they’ll be of any help to me. I’m just a nobody dad. If I had some kind of SJW membership where I could cash in some oppression-points maybe I’d be worthy of attention but unfortunately my son and I are just going to be heaped on the proverbial pile of male bodies that might just grow big enough that the politicians can’t see out their windows and the feminists shouting at the top are no longer heard, purely bec… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 11:39 AM |
| 11 | Man tries to pick up his son from his exes house and gets shot twice by by his sons stepfather.According to my lawyer and other legal experts that I've reached out to the only thing I can possibly go for is full custody - which the family court won't even consider for two reasons. First is that I haven't seen my son in three years (he's 4 now) and as such, the family court doesn't recognise me as having any relationship with him, and now the longer it goes without me seeing him the more potentially "traumatic" it is for me to be "reintroduced" to him. The second is that I would need to ow… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 11:25 AM |
| 22 | Man tries to pick up his son from his exes house and gets shot twice by by his sons stepfather.Australia | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 11:06 AM |
| 5 | My mother blatantly said "This is called karma for what men have done to women"Absolute pleasure. It is very fatiguing seeing/hearing all the feminist propaganda dragging its shit-stained soul all over the minds of fellow wrinkly brained people, and indoctrinating the younger generations. So I try to fight back. I recently got into it with a feminist on FeMRAdebates who was possibly one of the most intellectually dishonest people I ever met, and when I eventually called her out on her intellectual dishonesty I was banned for a day. It's tiring. I'm still getting better a… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 10:24 AM |
| 82 | Man tries to pick up his son from his exes house and gets shot twice by by his sons stepfather.As someone who just yesterday lost my 3 year long court case in which I was trying to see my son again, let me assure you; the only rights that children have are the ones the mother deems them to have. The entire family court system should be in jail for kidnapping, child abuse, and extortion. It should be in jail for manslaughter/murder of all the alienated fathers that have committed suicide because of things like this. And the boyfriend and bio-mother should be buried underneath that same pri… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 10:05 AM |
| 2 | Craze of False Paedophile Slurs against TeachersOh gosh, no apology needed mate, I just took the question at face value without assuming anything negative or malevolent. I think I've seen your username around this sub recently and I haven't seen you say anything which would suggest you're anti-equality or pro-misogyny or pro-misandry. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 09:40 AM |
| 2 | My mother blatantly said "This is called karma for what men have done to women"Good bot | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 08:51 AM |
| 6 | My mother blatantly said "This is called karma for what men have done to women"Considering Edna Erez has over the course of her career persistently and consistently only focussed on male violence and female victimhood, and has participated in feminist activism, I find it perfectly and wholly consistent that her research as with all feminist research is based on lies and half-truths. Especially as you pointed out the obvious point of her lying about the rule of thumb feminist myth. I'm glad we could find common ground there. Tellingly, what it leaves out is that whilst the … | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 08:46 AM |
| 9 | My mother blatantly said "This is called karma for what men have done to women"I’ll show you mine if you show me yours | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 07:40 AM |
| 8 | My mother blatantly said "This is called karma for what men have done to women"So how do you explain men getting lashed at the whipping post for any wife battery / domestic violence being a common practice as far back as the 16/1700s? And yeah, the rule of thumb makes for a great bit of comedy in the first boondock saints movie, but outside of that…. No, it never existed. The ‘rule of thumb’ was originally attributed to an emperor of Rome who never actually existed. An old lie is… well, it’s still a lie. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 07:38 AM |
| 4 | Craze of False Paedophile Slurs against TeachersAs with adult on adult rape there is likely gender parity in the gender of the abusers, if not the children as well - that being said if everything were to magically come to light I have no doubt there's likely more female abusers of children seeing as as a society we are usually blind to female abuse and female predation, and especially opposed to seeing men/boys as victims until it is shoved down our throats. A cursory search on duck duck go "teacher rapes child" yielded first and foremost the… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/21 09:29 PM |
| 1 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeNo actual time spent was noted in the report. All I have to go by is what the IEW and my lawyer told me, being that approximately three hours is the norm and my own experience which was between 4 and 5 hours. The lack of a reported time did cause curiosity in me though, so I counted how many pages of the report were specifically in reference to the interview with me and the interview with the mother. The pages regarding her interview make up twice as many as the pages regarding mine, which seems… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/21 12:46 AM |
| 2 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeIt is perhaps appropriate that this response comes in the same 24 hours that I received the report from the IEW (by proxy of my lawyer.) I am still entirely capable of presenting all my evidence of me being a good and loving father with my son who demonstrated he loved me back in his own youthful capacity. It just requires I include it in my affidavit that I submit to the court pre-trial (the mother has to submit her own affidavit pre-trial as well, with all the evidence she intends to include.)… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/21 04:46 AM |
| 3 | Do you hate feminismFair enough. First wave actual feminists were definitely not okay with women being included in the draft (just an FYI.) Just look at the overlap between the women who signed the Declaration of Sentiments (Seneca Falls, NY, 1848), the suffragette leaders, and those who promoted the white feather campaign. | /r/MensRights | 17/11/21 10:27 AM |
| 4 | Do you hate feminismYour statements are incongruent. First wave feminists were the suffragettes and entitled wealthy women who wanted all the rights but none of the responsibilities. I might be missing something here, please clarify? | /r/MensRights | 17/11/21 09:37 AM |
| 2 | Do you hate feminismCitation needed | /r/MensRights | 17/11/21 08:41 AM |
| 3 | Men who are pushed over the edge in DV...I don’t have the source on hand for the increase on the arrests of men (I first heard this information in one of Karen Straughans videos AKA girlwriteswhat which prompted my own investigation a couple years ago), but I do have the one on women - and I have to amend my previous comment on the increase of the arrests of women - it was actually 428% “Domestic Violence Law Reforms: Reactions from the Trenches” Journal of Sociology and Social Warfare XXIX: 71-87, Bohmer, Carol, Brandt, Bronson, Hartn… | /r/MensRights | 15/11/21 08:26 AM |
| 3 | Hope this clears up the meaning of "mansplaining" to you guys! It really did for me!It's been a while since I snort-laughed in reaction to something I saw/read online. Thank you! Now to clean the coffee from my monitor.. | /r/MensRights | 15/11/21 06:00 AM |
| 3 | Men who are pushed over the edge in DV...That was the case when it was just the Mandatory Arrest Policy. After the MAP was instated, there was an increase of arrests of men by approximately 30-40%, and an increase of arrests of women by over 400%, something in the realm of 440% (I don't remember the exact figures.) Of course, this didn't sit well with feminists because it ruined their narrative, so they rapidly lobbied and successfully implemented another policy; the Predominant Aggressor Policy, which prioritised relative strength and… | /r/MensRights | 15/11/21 12:00 AM |
| 16 | Listen, feminists. When you wish that all men were dead or excluded and then say that you have some empathic advice on rewriting masculinity simply because it's harmful to those you wanted dead, whose best interest you have in mind - it's only for their own good - it doesn't come out well.So there are problems with masculinity, I think we can agree on that. We do not agree on that. You are welcome to clarify your position. Now women come to us and say we should change because the ways we behave in certain areas of society and communication are toxic. Feminists* come to all of society and say men should change because the ways men behave in certain areas of society and communication are toxic. Feminists have yet to prove the two implied premises in the question; Male behaviour i… | /r/MensRights | 14/11/21 11:16 PM |
| 4 | Listen, feminists. When you wish that all men were dead or excluded and then say that you have some empathic advice on rewriting masculinity simply because it's harmful to those you wanted dead, whose best interest you have in mind - it's only for their own good - it doesn't come out well.What constitutes political power? | /r/MensRights | 14/11/21 10:08 PM |
| 6 | Let people experience being male for a dayWhilst Xanx isn't explicitly stating or referencing to (yet inherently expecting us to justify) is her individual neuroticism - and as a sequitur - feminist fear-mongering propaganda. This isn't the fault of Xanx per se, nor an inherent flaw in women. Whilst studies in regards to the DSM 5 and the big personality differences have shown that women generally score much higher on neuroticism and apprehension than men, that alone wouldn't have created the conditions in which women feel uncomfortable… | /r/MensRights | 14/11/21 09:22 PM |
| 8 | FSW abusers are not maleDefine patriarchy | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 13/11/21 06:47 PM |
| 6 | FSW abusers are not maleWhy wouldn’t you? | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 13/11/21 12:38 PM |
| 16 | FSW abusers are not maleYou and Mary P Koss would get along famously | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 13/11/21 11:45 AM |
| 5 | My problem with feminism as a feministPut simply for those who don’t really follow or research politics; Feminism only cares about feminism. The powerful proponents of that ideology have always either ignored or trampled anyone of any identity in its path; even women (and especially women who don’t subscribe to their ideology and are vocal about it.) Edit: terrible grammar | /r/AntiFeminists | 11/11/21 06:13 AM |
| 2 | What does it mean to be a man in 2021The world needs more of you. | /r/MensRights | 11/11/21 05:29 AM |
| 1 | Rant: Most feminists do not give two shits about male problems, they just dismiss them and redirect them to forward their own agendas.The point is that you can’t fix a problem properly until it’s accurately diagnosed. Feminism is a cancerous ideology and as long as idiots in real life or idiots on the internet keep trying to justify it as anything other than a collection of theories based on lies and hatred I will keep attempting to cure them of their misconceptions. In my estimation, nothing stonewalls and silences men’s rights activism (or deliberately works against it) quite like feminism does - so that’s where I put the ma… | /r/MensRights | 09/11/21 09:02 AM |
| 2 | Rant: Most feminists do not give two shits about male problems, they just dismiss them and redirect them to forward their own agendas.I’m cherry picking? Interesting allegation. First wave feminism is understood to have started somewhere between 1830 and 1848. Are you referring to women’s rights activism (which is not synonymous with feminism)? Or are you referring to retroactively titled feminist thinkers? Or is the rest of the world mistaken as to the beginning of the first wave? | /r/MensRights | 09/11/21 08:37 AM |
| 5 | Rant: Most feminists do not give two shits about male problems, they just dismiss them and redirect them to forward their own agendas.It’s not about the person, it’s about the ideology. I have no doubt there are some feminists not motivated by a hatred for men, but feminism absolutely is. At the core of feminist theory is their model for society which is their patriarchy theory, that all men are oppressors of all women, and all women are subjugated victims. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/21 07:38 PM |
| 4 | Rant: Most feminists do not give two shits about male problems, they just dismiss them and redirect them to forward their own agendas.Feminism started mid 1800s with the declaration of sentiments, and was only concerned with gathering more privileges exclusively for wealthy white women. The early feminists didn’t care for poor women, and especially not black women considering there was heavy affiliation between those early feminists and the KKK | /r/MensRights | 08/11/21 07:24 PM |
| 7 | Rant: Most feminists do not give two shits about male problems, they just dismiss them and redirect them to forward their own agendas.Then you know a bit about the second wave but nothing about the first. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/21 11:53 AM |
| 5 | Rant: Most feminists do not give two shits about male problems, they just dismiss them and redirect them to forward their own agendas.A “true” feminist is fundamentally not a humanist no matter how much you wish it to be so. If you disagree, then explain why. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/21 11:49 AM |
| 5 | Rant: Most feminists do not give two shits about male problems, they just dismiss them and redirect them to forward their own agendas.The so called “radical” feminism is the true feminism. Just look at the declaration of sentiments, 1848, the first feminist manifesto. The core of feminism has always been the monolith of male tyranny and subjugation of women as the eternal victims. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/21 11:46 AM |
| 2 | I'm writing a polemical text for school...Based. | /r/MensRights | 06/11/21 10:33 AM |
| 30 | FSW Periodic Reminder: everything men do is to hurt women...“I find that people who try to define a collection of “good feminine traits” always seems to fail because there’s literally no way to describe a good human trait as “feminine” without untruthfully implying most men lack it.” Do feminists even hear themselves? Lol | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 05/11/21 02:53 PM |
| 1 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeHer reason is she hates me; her justifications are numerous and fabrications. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/21 06:54 PM |
| 2 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeNo recordings took place, unless he recorded without my knowledge. I suppose I could have recorded - but AFAIK any recording made without consent of parties being recorded is inadmissible in any legal setting (it also might be illegal? But I’m not 100% on that). I do feel really uncomfortable about this all if the IEW has his own agenda. I truly want both my ex and myself to be fairly represented. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/21 07:55 AM |
| 1 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeI’m not seeking sole custody, I’m seeking to be able to see and have my son some of the time. As to the why; the mother won’t let me see him, hasn’t in three years. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/21 07:36 AM |
| 3 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeThat is so fucked up. It’s suddenly not surprising to me that I wasn’t allowed to record the conversation with my IEW yesterday. It really enrages me that unqualified and biased people are allowed to hold the lives of people like you and I - and our children - in their hands with zero accountability. Fuck feminism. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/21 07:43 AM |
| 1 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeWas that an independent expert witness acting for the family court that questioned you, or someone else? That sounds more like the trial itself, or a deposition. The reason I ask is if it was indeed an IEW that was meant to be doing a similar thing as the one I had then it’s really beyond fucked that different IEWs can be so different in their approach… | /r/MensRights | 31/10/21 05:36 AM |
| 10 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeEasier said than done… if I pushed too hard on something I’d risk antagonising him. And since the nature of the report he makes is entirely opinion based rather than anything factual, he might just report me negatively for being ‘confrontational’ or ‘obnoxious.’ | /r/MensRights | 31/10/21 01:54 AM |
| 4 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeI thought so too - so I can't help but wonder if my lawyer and the IEW lied to me about my 'right' to record it. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/21 12:50 AM |
| 9 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeThanks for the support mate. Does the mother go through the same 5 hour grind? The questioning process is expected to take about 3 hours on average. Considering the questions and structure of the conversation itself is entirely free-form I would imagine there's no way to know for certain how long the conversation will take. In the case of my ex he might get everything he needs in the first 2 hours, or maybe she will treat him to a 6 hour deluge of every reason she's a saint and I'm a sinner. You… | /r/MensRights | 31/10/21 12:46 AM |
| 22 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeHmm, I'll see if I can access that through my lawyer. When I asked him this (how frequently if ever have you ruled in favour of the father having access) he danced away from the question. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/21 12:37 AM |
| 11 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeSure, I can do my best in the form of an "overview" - I was not allowed to record the conversation and the conversation itself didn't follow any kind of structure. Account: The process itself for me started with the family court making an order that an IEW do reports on both parties prior to the trial (which is meant to happen early to mid next year).. My lawyer advised me that I would be getting a call to schedule a time for the interview from the IEW directly, and to expect the questioning to … | /r/MensRights | 31/10/21 12:32 AM |
| 9 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeUnfortunately, this is more true than you might realise. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/21 11:56 PM |
| 17 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeIt's all good mate, if my experience can help better prepare another father for the ordeal then it's worth it. It was far more stressful in the lead-up. As per the dictate of my lawyer - I was not allowed a third party to be present as neutral support nor was I allowed to record the conversation. Further, an IEW does not actually have a "script" of questions they ask which makes it much harder to prepare. The IEW has complete freedom to ask anything they want and any way they want. The experienc… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/21 11:55 PM |
| 13 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeI know this wasn't a question but it begs a comment. One of the factors working against an alienated father (and me in this case) is that the more time the father is separated from the child the worse it is - to the point where after a certain point the court deems it that the father and the child do not have a relationship anymore (essentially that the child has forgotten the father) therefore any prior relationship cannot be used to justify reconnection. Yes, you read that right. And no, it is… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/21 11:27 PM |
| 34 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeApparently, his only credential was that he had been doing it for a couple decades. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/21 11:23 PM |
| 56 | AMA: a father who just went through a 5 hour inquisition with an “independent expert witness” who interviews the mother and father separately in a family court dispute to then form a report to recommend a course of action to the judgeThis is solid advice. The IEW is NOT your friend, no matter how well you present yourself. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/21 05:41 PM |
| 3 | This month marks the 27th anniversary of the Violence Against Women Act: Activists view it as a political move to change social norms and redistribute resources, power, and control to women, with the long-term aim of a genderless societyIt’s a shame about all the male victims. But I guess that’s the patriarchies fault too. At least you’re an honest feminist that doesn’t try to tell us that you actually care. Just keep on thinking you’re right based on minutes of research and go on your merry way. (That was comedic exaggeration - you’ve clearly done no research at all.) | /r/MensRights | 24/10/21 04:20 PM |
| 3 | So what's this subreddit about?Why? There’s nothing to teach. It’s not like feminists ever tried to hide they were only ever interested in privileges. You don’t need to access the dark web or the shadows-and-cobwebs section of the library. Start with the Declaration of Sentiments (Seneca Falls, NY, 1848) and the violence, racism, and classism of the suffragettes and go from there. Have fun | /r/AntiFeminists | 24/10/21 04:05 PM |
| 19 | Men's rights icebergYou forgot the feminist U-boat sniping anyone who pays attention to the iceberg | /r/MensRights | 24/10/21 10:03 AM |
| 4 | So what's this subreddit about?Feminism was never about equal rights. | /r/AntiFeminists | 24/10/21 08:45 AM |
| 3 | So what's this subreddit about?It’s really telling that when you ask a feminist what they mean by the word “equality” they usually have no idea what it means. Or they mean it in the literal sense… which is arguably more laughable because objectively speaking women have more rights than men | /r/AntiFeminists | 24/10/21 08:44 AM |
| 7 | Another conservative site goes crazy over women potentially being included in the draft but has no problem with men. Just another reminder that conservatives for the most part aren’t your friendsThis is why I don’t personally care about “right” or “left” (in regards to my individual alignment). In Australia at least, and the US (and the UK according to my limited understanding) neither the main party of the left or right have an interest in male humanity - only male utility. | /r/AntiFeminists | 24/10/21 06:16 AM |
| 2 | This month marks the 27th anniversary of the Violence Against Women Act: Activists view it as a political move to change social norms and redistribute resources, power, and control to women, with the long-term aim of a genderless societyIncorrect. In the west (where the VAWA has been implemented) men are the primary victims of violence in all spheres bar one, and that is domestic violence - in which there is gender parity. And in the west it has never been legal to “beat” a “disobedient” woman. Think about that for a minute… before you start accusing people of tacitly supporting any kind of violence at all. | /r/MensRights | 24/10/21 03:55 AM |
| 6 | This month marks the 27th anniversary of the Violence Against Women Act: Activists view it as a political move to change social norms and redistribute resources, power, and control to women, with the long-term aim of a genderless societyThey took a non gendered crime and gendered it. It has contributed a great deal to the erasure and silencing of male victims, and as a result, downplaying or ignoring female perpetration too. This is not dissimilar from the Duluth Model, or Mary P Koss’s changing rape from a non-gendered crime to a gendered one. The disposability of men and male humanity is a social issue for everyone. The outright contempt for men is a feminist one. | /r/MensRights | 23/10/21 08:07 PM |
| 5 | Why do people still belive in the wage gap?Can confirm, my ex firmly believed in it as an unassailable fact. Same thing with a handful of female colleagues (all around the age of thirty - so not in the age bracket of understandable youthful naivety) | /r/MensRights | 22/10/21 07:21 AM |
| 2 | Do you guys consider yourself anti feminist?If that’s the case, that the simplistic and vague dictionary definition represents “True” feminism, then; The NOW VAWA And all feminist scholars, icons, professors, leaders, and revolutionaries from the first wave all the way through to the present are not and never were “true” feminists. It also leaves us in the strange circumstance where it necessitates that MRA’s are more “True” feminists than feminists themselves. What are your thoughts on that? | /r/MensRights | 21/10/21 11:30 PM |
| 47 | Why do so many feminists have pronouns in their bioVirtue signalling | /r/AntiFeminists | 21/10/21 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Do you guys consider yourself anti feminist?Oh, I see. So the first wave of feminism was about equality between the genders. That would be egalitarianism, not feminism. (This is of course presuming equality of opportunity[good], not equality of outcome[terrible].) That being said, can you show me a manifesto (def: A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions, especially of a political nature) from the first wave that says (more or less) that feminism was for “equality”? | /r/MensRights | 21/10/21 03:06 PM |
| 8 | Do you guys consider yourself anti feminist?What original definition is that? | /r/MensRights | 21/10/21 10:36 AM |
| 34 | [RANT] Apparently being an absentee/deadbeat mother is acceptable now because you were "overwhelmed". Yet men get crucified for doing the EXACT same thing.Fathers shouldn’t have to pay slave wages to be a visitor to their kids. And I’m tired of pretending otherwise. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/21 10:35 AM |
| 16 | Mother and her female lover 'murdered' 16-month-old girl by stamping on her causing 'catastrophic' injuries before waiting 15 minutes to call an ambulance and blaming a toddler for death, court hearsAh, yes, so here to troll. The highest rates of child abuse being committed by mothers, and higher still in lesbian relationships. The media and the efforts of journalists pointedly not caring about the father and how this has affected him. The media and VAWA and other feminist organisations pushing the narrative that men are the violent ones. Feminism and family court being biased against fathers, deeming fathers disposable and not a necessary part of a child’s life and upbringing. Society, esp… | /r/MensRights | 20/10/21 07:39 PM |
| 27 | Mother and her female lover 'murdered' 16-month-old girl by stamping on her causing 'catastrophic' injuries before waiting 15 minutes to call an ambulance and blaming a toddler for death, court hearshttps://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/18756579.keighley-baby-death-father-pays-tribute-brightest-star/ They do know who the father is, but just about every article on this tragedy never mentions him. I had to search for too long to find this one. Do you actually feel like you’re contributing to discussion here, or do you just like trolling? | /r/MensRights | 20/10/21 07:19 PM |
| 3 | Any reliable sources to the argument against the wage gap?https://youtu.be/oXsjGcxl5mI | /r/MensRights | 20/10/21 02:21 AM |
| 2 | After 3 yrs in jail, man cleared in rape caseThe thing we have to remember about feminism is that it doesn’t approach reality from the same premise that regular men and women do. It presumes a general psychopathy that is intrinsic to men or male nature. When you start off with a fundamental belief that all men are capable of rape, or biologically wired to abuse, subjugate, and exploit women, then all of the rhetoric surrounding feminist theory makes sense. You see this sentiment in other notable feminists, like: “[Rape] is nothing more or … | /r/MensRights | 19/10/21 09:58 AM |
| 34 | After 3 yrs in jail, man cleared in rape caseComins, Catherine (Assistant Dean of Student Life , Vassar College) (USA) “Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” -- Catherine Comins [This is not a direct quote, but rather an interpretation of Comins’ statements, written by Nancy Gibbs, Time, “When is it Rape?” June 3, 1991, p. 52] “Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar, also sees some value in this loose use of ‘rape.’ She says angry victims of various forms of sexual intimidation cr… | /r/MensRights | 19/10/21 07:05 AM |
| 4 | BBC article concentrates entirely on abuse against women; overlooks menWe obviously need to recalibrate the patriarchy machine(TM). It just keeps on caring only about women and women’s needs, drives, interests, welfare and safety. Surely there’s a switch we forgot to flip somewhere. | /r/MensRights | 18/10/21 08:48 AM |
| 6 | Australian Petition to reform Child Support Scam and Child Support Agency.Many thanks OP. Signed | /r/MensRights | 18/10/21 08:45 AM |
| 1 | As A Feminist What Are Things We Should Focus On That Lead Us Toward EqualityIt’s not that you’re not welcome, it’s just that feminists frequently come into this subreddit trying to “educate” us on how feminism is really our best friend and we share an enemy in “tha patriarchy.” Often there’s a tone of passive aggression, or it’s just concern trolling. Now, theoretically, feminism as the movement might correct itself but fixing the rotten core of its ideology and making sure the leaders, icons, and scholars reflect that corrected ideology and subsequent values is highly … | /r/MensRights | 17/10/21 03:00 AM |
| 1 | As A Feminist What Are Things We Should Focus On That Lead Us Toward EqualityPleasure. Furthermore, understand that Feminism is not synonymous with women, and not even women’s rights activism. Feminism has done a good job conning society into believing that they are the only vehicle by which people might practice advocacy for women’s rights. But even that is misleading, because in a very meaningful sense, “rights” in society has always been balanced by “responsibility” - or at least, it has been for men, ie, rights were purchased by virtue of obligations and responsibili… | /r/MensRights | 17/10/21 02:32 AM |
| 5 | As A Feminist What Are Things We Should Focus On That Lead Us Toward EqualityDitch patriarchy theory is step one, including all it’s theoretical offshoots (rape culture, Duluth model, male tyranny, toxic masculinity, universal female victimhood, etc). This will be the hardest because it is the one unifying attribute of feminism, it is a defining tenet of the ideology. From Patriarchy theory all flavours of feminism are born. If you can manage that, the rest should be achievable, because you would have dispensed with the narcissistic heart of feminism that holds all men r… | /r/MensRights | 17/10/21 12:27 AM |
| 8 | Because women go through it, you can't ask for respect for your male bodyNice try - but that’s not what’s happening here. In fact, your link to the men’s rights post really just proves the OP’s point further. In your link, the post isn’t a “what about us” to derail, it’s to point out that some women (not all, and it’s not an inherently female trait, men can and do engage in this behaviour too) are gatekeeping injustice/oppression and trying to forbid men from participating in the discussion, which I attribute directly to cultural manipulation from feminist propaganda… | /r/MensRights | 16/10/21 11:32 PM |
| 17 | Ridley Scott's 'The Last Duel': An Enjoyably Ripe Slab Of Historical Hokum That Proves Men Have Been Awful For At Least 7 Centuries [Venice Review]Very heartening to see. I hope it’s evidence that there is the seed of an attitude shift towards men in our culture… One particular comment stuck out for me that I’m definitely going to ruminate on further: “… every historical drama tells you more about the time it was made than the time it is set!” Looking at the theme of political correctness, man bad, women victims across a lot of movies these days… I can certainly envisage what a college students essay on early 21st century culture would rea… | /r/MensRights | 16/10/21 12:03 AM |
| 3 | Feeling like there’s a lack of harsh judgement in here.. wonder whyContrary to popular belief, men can very much not be in the mood for sexual activity. I have been in the past with my ex. Plenty of men in my peer group have expressed the same, since we have all had a shared experience that we didn’t know how to talk about - our girlfriends/wives accusing us of cheating if we weren’t in the mood, some cases being physically violent towards us, and in some more the girls threatening to leave the relationship or cheat themselves. You might have yet to experience … | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/10/21 11:03 PM |
| 2 | OP dumped feminist GF (or feminist spirited GF) due to feminist flavoured narcissism. Heat up some popcorn and enjoy the comments!Damn right | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/10/21 10:46 PM |
| 8 | Just say that you lack the intellectual ability to provide a legit counter-argument. No need to go on a tirade about how badass you think you areShe justifies it with “it’s not my job to educate”, though it’s squished in between all the vacuous insults and buzzwords, and faker-than-a-feminist laughter. Coincidentally, that line is often used by people who don’t have the ability actually support their position intellectually, as the OP noted. Another brain dead feminist NPC. Fuck I really feel terrible for the upcoming generation of young men. | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/10/21 10:45 PM |
| 1 | Male victims of domestic violenceRegarding Patriarchy: The term "Patriarchy" as it is understood today is very much a feminist construct, in that it goes far beyond the original meaning and dictionary definition. And Feminism as an ideology is predicated on the notion of female victimhood at the hands of men and male tyranny, you can see this in the scholarly works of all the prominent icons in the second wave, you can see it in the violent declarations and acts of domestic terrorism by the suffragettes, you can see it in the D… | /r/MensRights | 15/10/21 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Male victims of domestic violenceIs someone really asking to be hit with the girlwriteswhat “you’re the real feminist” reply? Again.? | /r/MensRights | 15/10/21 09:37 PM |
| 1 | Male victims of domestic violence“Historically male dominated” is not a great term as it is misleading to begin with, as you could also say society was historically built on male subordination considering the overwhelming amount of slavery and serfdom or otherwise forced labour was performed by and expected of men. The tiny percentage of people in charge where mostly men, but that doesn’t mean society was male dominated, certainly in raw numbers there were astronomically more men on the bottom of society than the top. Furthermo… | /r/MensRights | 15/10/21 09:36 PM |
| 1 | Male victims of domestic violenceGynocentrism, gamma bias, the women are wonderful effect, and uh… the direct result of over 150 years feminist activism, rhetoric, lobbying, and agit prop. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/21 09:29 PM |
| 1 | OP dumped feminist GF (or feminist spirited GF) due to feminist flavoured narcissism. Heat up some popcorn and enjoy the comments!Lol, good idea | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/10/21 03:19 PM |
| 6 | OP dumped feminist GF (or feminist spirited GF) due to feminist flavoured narcissism. Heat up some popcorn and enjoy the comments!Just in the middle of a delightful to and fro with someone who has fallen for feminist propaganda about male violence and rape culture. Amazing that these people are so blind to their own bigotry | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/10/21 02:36 PM |
| 10 | OP dumped feminist GF (or feminist spirited GF) due to feminist flavoured narcissism. Heat up some popcorn and enjoy the comments!Oh bro, it gets so much better. There are some enlightened souls in the comments, but the feminists are out in force too. | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/10/21 02:03 PM |
| 1 | What is the philosophical defense of masculinity? Some thoughts, and wanting the thoughts of others.Thank you for the link! Look forward to reading it | /r/MensRights | 15/10/21 12:54 PM |
| 3 | What is the philosophical defense of masculinity? Some thoughts, and wanting the thoughts of others.Thank you, I appreciate it, that demonstrates my point perfectly and confirms my suspicions Edit: ie, that masculinity is under ideological/philosophical attack and has been for quite some time. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/21 12:57 AM |
| 6 | What is the philosophical defense of masculinity? Some thoughts, and wanting the thoughts of others.I agree absolutely, there shouldn’t be a need to defend it, but I think some people (like the OP) are defending it in a reactionary sense, because masculinity as a whole has been under ideological attack from feminists for over 100 years, and they are only gaining momentum. Ie, no one should have to defend that lightning comes from atmospheric hijinks in clouds with positive and negative charges (or something along those lines), but when some ideologue comes along and tries telling people that “… | /r/MensRights | 14/10/21 11:01 PM |
| 35 | Feminism and the US draft... If your need a good, laugh...An excellent article demonstrating feminist solipsism, with a healthy splash of narcissism. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/21 10:54 PM |
| 3 | What is the philosophical defense of masculinity? Some thoughts, and wanting the thoughts of others.I believe it to be less about physical masculine traits and more about psychosocial masculinity, ie, how masculinity is demonstrated/recognised in social behaviour and male psychology. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/21 10:50 PM |
| 6 | What is the philosophical defense of masculinity? Some thoughts, and wanting the thoughts of others.It falls under the umbrella of discussion around “nature vs nurture”, and “evolutionary psychology (aka evo-psych). Most of those in disagreement with your understanding of biology informing a lot of human nature and evolutionary psychology are people who are convinced biology has nothing to do with it, and it’s 100% socialisation, ie, “nurture, not nature.” With all the evidence on the table, most likely it’s a combination of the two - but tellingly society can only exist when it is compatible … | /r/MensRights | 14/10/21 10:48 PM |
| 2 | Reason #2782837838 why I'm not a feministOne of my favourites in Australia is Andrew O’Keefe, you might recognise him as the asshole TV anchor of Sunrise News who attacked Cassie Jaye, the Red Pill documentarian, without even watching the documentary in the first place. He is also one of the founding members of White Ribbon, a highly feminist organisation built on all the typical feminist theories, patriarchy, Duluth model, pathological male violence and universal female victimhood, etc. He got charged (I think less than a year ago) wi… | /r/AntiFeminists | 14/10/21 10:37 PM |
| 7 | why are pro male spaces, or make only spaces met with so much friction?You are more than welcome | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/21 10:10 PM |
| 67 | why are pro male spaces, or make only spaces met with so much friction?In the 1600s, women petitioned the then King of Britain to have coffee houses banned because men were congregating there, outside of female influence or control. So the behaviour of women as a whole invading or outright forbidding male spaces has been a long-standing practice, spanning centuries. As to the why, girlwriteswhat (Karen Straughan) theorises that there is a relationship between female hypoagency, and male hyperagency, and a somewhat evolutionary/biological drive for women to seek to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/21 09:16 PM |
| 13 | Thoughts on trapping a man. Only for the moment of course.Hypergamy and monkey-branching at its finest. Where’d you find this shining gem of a person? | /r/AntiFeminists | 13/10/21 05:04 AM |
| 3 | LolWomen; Live longer Live happier lives Die less on the job Die less from violence of all forms Are less frequently victims of violence of all forms Are more likely to commit non reciprocated violence in an intimate partner relationship and simultaneously get away with it, whilst also having their male partner arrested instead Receive and cash in on more federal funding for health related concerns Receive and cash in on federal and state based programs for a variety of reasons including (whether p… | /r/AntiFeminists | 12/10/21 10:16 PM |
| 1 | My school canceled its sexist plan to teach (only) boys about "consent and respect" and (only) girls self-defense after students spoke out against it.Okay mate, just wish you’d been more accurate from the start. If you’d just said “rights are for women, responsibilities are for men; this is a common theme through countless examples of feminist rhetoric and feminist lobbying and attitudes, here are plenty of sources indicating that this is what they believe (links to X, Y, Z).” then I wouldn’t have taken issue, and no feminist could disprove it and call the honesty of MRAs into question. Again, yes it is congruent with feminism. But you said i… | /r/MensRights | 12/10/21 05:58 AM |
| 1 | My school canceled its sexist plan to teach (only) boys about "consent and respect" and (only) girls self-defense after students spoke out against it.Yeah no, that is just the name of a link. That doesn’t prove it is a famous feminist quote, nor famous feminist saying, nor even a regular feminist quote or saying. Again, I agree that it is an underlying sentiment in feminism. If you want to keep pushing that it is a famous feminist quote (as though it is fact), then that’s your choice. I personally will stick with maintaining my integrity. It’s easier to find stuff on duckduckgo than google, just a tip. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/21 02:25 AM |
| 1 | My school canceled its sexist plan to teach (only) boys about "consent and respect" and (only) girls self-defense after students spoke out against it.Yeah, not denying that the attitude is there. But there is no explicit feminist quote as such. We gotta keep ourselves honest, even though feminists aren’t | /r/MensRights | 11/10/21 07:28 PM |
| 1 | I Ran an Experiment on RedditDoubling down on the lie I see. You claimed you responded to one of the Karen Straughan comments (I supplied both of which.) The link you provided does not address either, whether directly or indirectly. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/21 06:42 PM |
| 1 | I Ran an Experiment on RedditPorkyTheChop: “Hitler and his administration weren’t real nazis, they were the violent anti-semitics. We (the royal we) don’t claim them.” And everyone lived happily ever after. The end. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/21 11:13 AM |
| 1 | I Ran an Experiment on RedditHi Porky! I am the one who hit you with Straughans “you’re the real feminist” comment, not once, but twice! And no, you DIDNT respond to EITHER. But hey, apparently honesty of any sort (whether intellectual of other) isn’t your strong suit. You can keep trying to convince us otherwise but the only person you’re fooling is yourself. Edit: do you like being called out as a liar or do you just pretend like it never happened, just like every other comment that called you out for your falsehoods, ina… | /r/MensRights | 10/10/21 11:04 AM |
| 8 | My school canceled its sexist plan to teach (only) boys about "consent and respect" and (only) girls self-defense after students spoke out against it.That’s fair, I’ll grant that concession. That being said, if a feminist of any language of any noteable influence had said something like that so directly, AVFM, antifeministpraxis, or even girlwriteswhat, would probably have seized it already. The reason I don’t believe it was said so overtly is (whilst partly because none of us have heard it said before) feminists don’t operate so overtly, they love to operate in the realm of plausible deniability. “We don’t hate men. We just name everything b… | /r/MensRights | 10/10/21 10:55 AM |
| 23 | My school canceled its sexist plan to teach (only) boys about "consent and respect" and (only) girls self-defense after students spoke out against it.Pretty sure he made it up. I’m a staunch anti feminist and have spent more hours than I care to admit researching feminism for the better part of three years and if a feminist had ever said that then you better believe I’d have found it or heard of it. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/21 10:23 AM |
| 1 | Do feminists want to suppress men?One might argue that they are working towards it, with all the work going into and popularising bone marrow babies. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/21 08:40 PM |
| 3 | Do feminists want to suppress men?You are the No True Scotsman fallacy incarnate. No, your article didn’t take them into account, other than to try and write them off as “not real feminists.” No, you can’t just disavow them. They are feminists. They believe in their shared ideology, feminism. You are unbelievable. Literally. Your words, your article, your beliefs, all possess zero credibility. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/21 02:10 AM |
| 3 | Do feminists want to suppress men?How about you try answering Tenchins question Porky. That is, if you truly came here to learn. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/21 02:06 AM |
| 1 | Joking about men getting hurtAccording to Hitler; he blamed the Jews for everything that was wrong with the world. Germany was weak and in decline due to the 'Jewish influence'. According to Hitler, the Jews were after world dominance. And they would not hesitate to use all possible means, including capitalism. In this way, Hitler took advantage of the existing prejudice that linked the Jews to monetary power and financial gain. So even though we know that the Jews didn’t oppress Germans/Nazis, that was the narrative (read:… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/21 12:31 AM |
| 0 | I already know i'm about to be downvoted a ton for this. goodbye 2100 karma!You would have backed domestic terrorists? Who committed arson, promoted wanton violence, and attempted assassination? Well, to each their own, I guess. | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/10/21 12:06 AM |
| 2 | Joking about men getting hurtYou're absolutely right, men have always had all the power and agency in the world, and are responsible for everything good or bad. Women cannot be held responsible or accountable for anything because they have always been oppressed. Men are powerful, women are powerless. If it weren't for men, feminism would never have worked! Lucky there are some good men to use their male privilege for good and successfully make feminism work. Clearly if left just to women, the oppressed and powerless damsels… | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 10:26 PM |
| 4 | Do feminists want to suppress men?What gives you and your buddies that moral authority, the right, or the power, to disavow all the misandry inherent in the political leaders, scholars, and cultural icons of feminism as the movement, first wave through to present, and the inherent hateful attitudes towards men in feminism as an ideology? How can you and your buddies claim to be the true feminists and disavow the leaders of the movement who make all the social waves, and all the political change, who wrote the essays, theories, b… | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 09:30 PM |
| 15 | Do feminists want to suppress men?You're either gaslighting deliberately, or you haven't turned a critical eye on your own belief system. To claim there is a wage gap (there isn't, and it has been thoroughly debunked) and keep pushing that falsehood in spite of contrary evidence is demonstrable of arguing in bad faith and pushing an agenda - the feminist agenda. To claim there is a patriarchy (another very feminist construct), implies universal victimhood of women and universal male tyranny and the presumption of psycopathy on t… | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 09:10 PM |
| 18 | Do feminists want to suppress men?I see, I see. Well, unfortunately, your opinion on the hateful "aspect" of feminism rests on the no true scotsman fallacy, AKA it's an appeal to purity. Let's try Karen Straughans comment again, you might have missed the first time I posted it: So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, a… | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 08:27 PM |
| 16 | Do feminists want to suppress men?Then you really don’t know anything about the history of feminism, the premise on which the ideology rests, or the lies and hateful rhetoric it pushes. You are hopelessly naive. Edit: why do you keep calling it your article, did you write it? | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 08:14 PM |
| 16 | Do feminists want to suppress men?Sally Miller Gearhart and Mary Daly, both academic icons from the second wave, advocated for a drastic reduction in the male population (to the tune of men being reduced to making up 1-10%), so male genocide is not a new idea for feminists. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 08:09 PM |
| 15 | Do feminists want to suppress men?It is a competition (more of a gender war, really, that feminism started over 150 years ago) when one side blames the other for all the ills and inequalities and oppression in the world. “Patriarchy”, “toxic masculinity”, “patriarchal domestic terrorism”, “rape culture”, “male privilege”. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 08:06 PM |
| 24 | Do feminists want to suppress men?Just gonna post the obligatory response from Karen Straughan to people who think “they’re the real feminist”. Feminist gaslighting is low effort and really tiresome. So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands… | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 08:01 PM |
| 15 | Joking about men getting hurtWomen; Live longer Live happier lives Die less on the job Die less from violence of all forms Are less frequently victims of violence of all forms Are more likely to commit non reciprocated violence in an intimate partner relationship and simultaneously get away with it, whilst also having their male partner arrested instead Receive and cash in on more federal funding for health related concerns Receive and cash in on federal and state based programs for a variety of reasons including (whether p… | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 01:38 PM |
| 2 | What are some examples of women saying stupid stuff about men?What exactly are you looking for? (Not being snarky, genuinely asking) I just saw your edit, what is the misandrist comment? | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 11:51 AM |
| 1 | What are some examples of women saying stupid stuff about men?I think the word you’re looking for is feminist, not woman/women. Considering both men and women can say dumb sexist shit, and plenty do. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 08:04 AM |
| 3 | What are some examples of women saying stupid stuff about men?A part of me fantasises about personally getting the highest certificate/degree in a gender/women’s studies course, the more nationally or internationally recognised as “prestigious” the better) then writing academic articles debunking the whole narrative. It wouldn’t work, of course. But it would be good for a laugh. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/21 07:18 AM |
| 5 | What are some examples of women saying stupid stuff about men?It’s not a case of women saying weird stuff about men, or men saying weird stuff about women; it’s really more a case of bigots and idiots (usually of the SJW, feminist, or misogynistic flavour) saying dumb things about either gender. That being said, I do like this example, a chart of 9 female “empowerment” quotes gender flipped. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/aabh17/9_female_empowerment_quotes_with_genders_reveresed/ | /r/MensRights | 07/10/21 07:37 PM |
| 8 | Is there anyway we could just focus on issues and not say anything about feminism?That was abundantly clear back when EnvironWar said the MRM was “becoming feminism 2.0”. Clearly doesn’t know the first bloody thing about either. I admire your patience. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/21 01:04 PM |
| 1 | Some things for feminists/people in general to understand when having discussions on equality in online forumsLol, he deleted his account. I guess his intellectual equivalent of shutting his eyes, blocking his ears, and screaming “lalalalalalalalala” didn’t save him from the barrage of criticism directed at his own ignorance and ideological fanaticism. Just more proof that feminists wilt under confrontation when their opponents have objective, rational, and/or scientific evidence. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/21 09:40 AM |
| 8 | Toxic Masculinity! I was stunned when I read this.The term “toxic masculinity” is a terrible term, and utterly unhelpful. It suffers from the cognitive distortion known as labelling. Whilst there may be an academic definition for both “toxic masculinity” and “toxic femininity”, I reject use of both terms for the same reason I mentioned above. (Though if you want to explore the most salient definitions of both then I encourage everyone to watch Karen Straughans presentation on Toxic Masculinity & Toxic Femininity, easily found on YouTube). Anywa… | /r/AntiFeminists | 07/10/21 06:55 AM |
| 17 | UK: 'Misogyny against a MAN is absolutely wrong': Dominic Raab claims men are also victims of hate speech in bungled backing of Boris Johnson's refusal to make hatred against women a crimeCorrect. Most people aren’t even aware of the word misandry, and most assume sexism is synonymous with misogyny. I mean, even Wikipedia frames it as a woman’s issue, referencing most feminist talking points (though somewhat obliquely). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism From Merriam-Webster, their definition is UNIRONICALLY: : prejudice or discrimination based on sex especially : discrimination against women https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexism And of course, let’s not forget ho… | /r/MensRights | 06/10/21 08:09 PM |
| 2 | Some things for feminists/people in general to understand when having discussions on equality in online forumsI characterised you as representative of the general public, because in the context of this discussion you represent the modern zeitgeist; that is, believing in the “patriarchy” whilst also not having a complete understanding of it. I also described the need for MRAs/anti-feminists to work 10 times harder in a debate with feminists (or those espousing feminist rhetoric/ideology). This is because the latter just has to state opinions without supporting evidence, and the support of the zeitgeist g… | /r/MensRights | 06/10/21 06:54 PM |
| 4 | I mean…Legal system. Nothing just about it. | /r/AntiFeminists | 06/10/21 02:26 AM |
| 2 | No one I know would date a feminist or a trans. Feminists and trans should date each other.https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/q0avr9/some_things_for_feministspeople_in_general_to/hfb38xx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 | /r/MensRights | 05/10/21 06:12 AM |
| 2 | No one I know would date a feminist or a trans. Feminists and trans should date each other.Feminism as an ideology is built on their core theory of Patriarchy, from which stems all the theoretical offshoots, including male oppression, female subjugation, patriarchal domestic terrorism (Duluth model), and rape culture, just to name a few. At the heart of their ideology is a fundamental belief in universal male oppression and universal subjugation and victimhood of women. Feminism is an ideology based on hate, and you can see it in the first wave, you can see it in the second wave schol… | /r/MensRights | 05/10/21 06:11 AM |
| 1 | No one I know would date a feminist or a trans. Feminists and trans should date each other.You clearly haven’t read the Declaration of Sentiments, Seneca Falls (1848), first feminist manifesto and what kicked off the first wave & suffragettes | /r/MensRights | 05/10/21 06:05 AM |
| 3 | 2 Questions for FeministsSo I’ll be expecting the feminist movement to disavow Mary P Koss (one of yours) and change the laws she altered so that men can be recognised as victims of rape too then. Let us know when that lobbying starts and when the NOW and UN Women put out a statement indicating as such | /r/AntiFeminists | 05/10/21 02:25 AM |
| 3 | Some things for feminists/people in general to understand when having discussions on equality in online forumsThanks mate, unfortunately as MRAs / anti-feminists we have to work ten times harder than our opponents, because so much of feminist rhetoric is accepted as true by the general public. What is particularly tiresome is how pervasive the idea that first and second wave feminism were benevolent, and how feminism isn’t fundamentally based on hate and the “bad actors” are not representative of the ideology. I just hope people see these conversations and realise just how unsupportable feminist dogma i… | /r/MensRights | 04/10/21 11:18 AM |
| 2 | Manspreading is healthy100%. There’s no such thing as a feminist father that has gone through family court and remained a feminist. | /r/MensRights | 04/10/21 09:35 AM |
| 2 | scientific proof: WOMEN PAY NO TAXES (they take more money from the government than they give in taxes)By funding women who choose to have kids? Why not suggest that those women become better people, because ultimately they are responsible for the pregnancy going to full term and then giving birth? | /r/AntiFeminists | 04/10/21 06:22 AM |
| 5 | Some things for feminists/people in general to understand when having discussions on equality in online forumsNow that we have something to work with, let's go back to the comment. In spite of increased equality for women as a group, patriarchal beliefs are so deeply engrained in daily lives and social systems that it is often difficult to tease them apart from our consciousness, behaviors, and engagement with others and our world. Considering the objective understanding of "patriarchal beliefs", what the author has written is purely an ideological bludgeon. As this is more "evidence" to prove the exist… | /r/MensRights | 04/10/21 02:57 AM |
| 4 | Some things for feminists/people in general to understand when having discussions on equality in online forumsNow that Part One is out of the way, time to do Part Two (1/2), which is critiquing the comment in the link you provided. There's plenty of recent literature supporting the notion that the United States is still a patriarchal society, so yes, I think it’s a very fair argument to make. Not one of the links attached to the above comment constituted anything even remotely resembling proof. They are all theories built on the presumption of universal female victimhood at the hands of men, which is a … | /r/MensRights | 04/10/21 02:50 AM |
| 5 | Some things for feminists/people in general to understand when having discussions on equality in online forumsAlright, time to have a go at understanding and critiquing your position. This will be Part One: Critiquing your commentary and understanding of Patriarchy and Feminist Patriarchy Theory. You have stated, verbatim: The Patriarchy supports men, and that is not a good thing for men. A male dominated society is bad for all genders. Men and women benefit from the patriarchy in some ways, be everyone looses more. Men and women throughout history created "the patriarchy" (thats such a dumb thing to sa… | /r/MensRights | 04/10/21 12:32 AM |
| 12 | Some things for feminists/people in general to understand when having discussions on equality in online forumsA cursory read demonstrates that your understanding of “patriarchy” is not wholly consistent with the way feminism employs it as an ideological bludgeon, but I do very much appreciate you providing by proxy an argument to support its existence. I will read through the claim in detail and it’s supporting evidence and form a response within 24 hours. Thank you! | /r/MensRights | 03/10/21 09:12 AM |
| 14 | Some things for feminists/people in general to understand when having discussions on equality in online forumsAnd is that your understanding of patriarchy? That men hold the power, women are excluded from it, and that this social construct is there to support men (as per your first comment)? | /r/MensRights | 03/10/21 08:55 AM |
| 17 | Some things for feminists/people in general to understand when having discussions on equality in online forumsJust so we are clear, what’s your definition of “patriarchy” as you understand it? | /r/MensRights | 03/10/21 08:17 AM |
| 14 | I studied Feminism at college so you don't have to. (+ A First Person Perspective on the Education Gap)Yeah it is stupid which is why I called you out for saying thr exact same thing about women. Where did I say that? Anyone who brings up logical fallacies as a form of argument doesn't deserve my time. Please go to a sub better suited for your more extreme views. I hope you kept the receipt for your projector. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 11:58 PM |
| 18 | I studied Feminism at college so you don't have to. (+ A First Person Perspective on the Education Gap)We aren't talking about "single instances" of women. We are discussing men and women, their places in society, the balancing of rights and responsibilities, and how wealth creates different classes of men and women. We are discussing how feminism posits one model, and how it doesn't accurately reflect reality. By your logic, the fact that there was a man/men in power doesn't completely invalidate all the other men who got shit on. You've bought into the feminist narrative it seems, and fallen vi… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 11:36 PM |
| 5 | I studied Feminism at college so you don't have to. (+ A First Person Perspective on the Education Gap)Welcome :) | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 11:29 PM |
| 18 | I studied Feminism at college so you don't have to. (+ A First Person Perspective on the Education Gap)Your statements are not only blatantly false they also perpetuate the stereotype that MRAs only hate women and want to "stay in power". How so? You can't use isolated incidents and the fact that rich women had more power than poor man as an argument. When the feminist ideology is predicated upon the idea that all men oppressed and subjugated all women, that society is structured with men on the top and women on the bottom, and that is designed to serve men's needs, drives, and interests at the e… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 11:29 PM |
| 17 | I studied Feminism at college so you don't have to. (+ A First Person Perspective on the Education Gap)I believe it's "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 11:20 PM |
| 10 | I studied Feminism at college so you don't have to. (+ A First Person Perspective on the Education Gap)Yep, the campaign to falsely associate the MRM with groups that promote hateful or sexist attitudes has been a longstanding one. Seems to me Aaron has bought it though, hook, line, and sinker. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 11:16 PM |
| 12 | I studied Feminism at college so you don't have to. (+ A First Person Perspective on the Education Gap)Let me see if I understand you here. It is your belief that because "Return of Kings" advocates for men/masculinity in their own way that they should be associated with the Men's Rights Movement. Is that right? Because that is a non sequitur and false equivalence. The MRM is a movement for men's rights within the current socio-political system, to change the system and make it better for men (and in many ways better for women too). PUA's seek to exploit the current system for sexual "success" wi… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 11:11 PM |
| 17 | I studied Feminism at college so you don't have to. (+ A First Person Perspective on the Education Gap)You do realise that return of kings is anti MRM don’t you? Plus the only people I’ve seen who have attempted to characterise Paul Elam as radical are the same people who characterise him as a misogynist - feminists. So no, I don’t buy it. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 09:46 PM |
| 28 | I studied Feminism at college so you don't have to. (+ A First Person Perspective on the Education Gap)Excellent response. Just to clarify for anyone reading this who might not know, the “cat” referenced in the line “conceive the proposals to apply the cat to the dastardly ruffians” is an old term for “cat o’ nine tails”, a 3-5 foot long whip of braided and knotted leather with 9 “tails” designed to cause extreme pain and lacerate flesh. Point to note that this wasn’t an idle throwaway line either, the cat was legally and judiciously employed as corporal punishment in the UK, US, and Australia un… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 09:10 PM |
| 9 | Marjorie Taylor Green cries about women potentially being included in a military draftYeah, I was wondering if he’d spot his own contradiction, but apparently he is too childish to realise the inherent cognitive dissonance in his belief system. It’s alright though, I’ve sufficiently illuminated his logical faults for anyone reading along to see, just as you have seen. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Marjorie Taylor Green cries about women potentially being included in a military draftInteresting theory, care to support it? | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 03:08 PM |
| 10 | Marjorie Taylor Green cries about women potentially being included in a military draftOh boy, you clearly haven’t heard of the white feather campaign. And no, that’s a misrepresentation of what I’ve stated. Funnily enough, you’ve shot yourself in the foot. The MRM is pro male recognition in the medical field, especially considering both men and women suffer from breast cancer yet many breast cancer support groups actively exclude men. Indeed, most funding for medical research is funnelled towards women’s issues, even when men’s analogous issues are more fatal and receive a dispro… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 03:01 PM |
| 8 | Marjorie Taylor Green cries about women potentially being included in a military draftFeminism is not against the draft. And the 0.006% of people that identify as feminists that are against the draft are likely to not truly be feminists. I will continue to measure the feminist movement in two key ways. Identify the primary movers and shakers by their adherence to Feminism as an ideology, then, Observe and critique their actions. No feminist icon, scholar, leader, or policy influencer had ever advocated for the abolishment of the draft until/unless it affected women. If you want t… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 02:36 PM |
| 12 | Marjorie Taylor Green cries about women potentially being included in a military draftFeminism is not against the draft. And the 0.006% of people that identify as feminists that are against the draft are likely to not truly be feminists. I will continue to measure the feminist movement in two key ways. Identify the primary movers and shakers by their adherence to Feminism as an ideology, then, Observe and critique their actions. No feminist icon, scholar, leader, or policy influencer had ever advocated for the abolishment of the draft until it affected women. If you want to think… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 02:36 PM |
| 13 | Marjorie Taylor Green cries about women potentially being included in a military draftBro… you linked to a post on a subreddit of feminists numbering 224 thousand, just shy of a quarter million. With fourteen upvotes. That is quite literally 0.00625% of the feminist subreddit. What do you think you’ve proved here other than that abolishment of the draft was never a priority for feminism, or even on the radar. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 02:29 PM |
| 16 | Marjorie Taylor Green cries about women potentially being included in a military draftThe MRM didn’t set the rules, gynocentrism did. “Don’t hate the player, hate the game.” But really, in a practical sense, the draft was never going away. How would you have fixed the issue of the draft being a horrible exploitation of men other than to change the legal policy so that women (in this context) became just as disposable as men? In a fatalistic and nihilistic sense, if it’s good enough for men then it’s good enough for women, and to suggest otherwise is sexist. In many ways, indeed, … | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 01:57 PM |
| 19 | Marjorie Taylor Green cries about women potentially being included in a military draftLook dude, regardless of the moral righteousness of your position, it doesn’t reflect reality, and you’re missing the point. The draft exists. Ever since men achieved suffrage (ie, political franchise) men’s franchise has been explicitly tied to service. In a very real, and a very meaningful sense, men had to purchase their franchise (and still do in the US.) Women didn’t have to wait much longer than men, and when they were given suffrage it wasn’t tied to squat. Voting was and still is a privi… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 01:45 PM |
| 32 | Don't you guys just hate it when you are for equality butIt’s all good, we’ve been told from a young age that feminism holds the monopoly on virtue and social righteousness. If you want to explore the truth of feminism then start with where it started: the declaration of sentiments, Seneca falls, 1848 (the first feminist manifesto and birthplace of feminism, available in full on Wikipedia.) Check out Karen Straughans work (girlwriteswhat) who does an excellent job at intelligently dismantling feminism (and its lies). An interesting place to start is “… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 12:55 PM |
| 12 | Don't you guys just hate it when you are for equality but“Men’s greatest weakness is their facade of strength, and women’s greatest strength is their facade of weakness” (or something to that effect) ~ Warren Farrell. Incredibly wise and insightful man. I encourage anyone who reads this, just as I’m sure Tmomp will, that they should read that book. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 12:44 PM |
| 11 | Don't you guys just hate it when you are for equality butNo need to apologise! I didn’t want to assume what you meant by that sentence, that’s why I asked. Considering that something like over 85% of communication between people is done with tone of voice and body language it’s no wonder that plain text can sometimes (potentially) be ambiguous or misinterpreted. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 12:42 PM |
| 18 | Don't you guys just hate it when you are for equality butTo add insult to injury; those same traits they celebrate in women (the ones you mentioned) are the same traits they demonise in men as “toxic masculinity.” Particularly hypocritical. But if feminism didn’t have double standards then it would have no standards at all. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 12:35 PM |
| 11 | Don't you guys just hate it when you are for equality but“Females are as strong as males, but still they are the ones who need the most help and support.” For the record; I don’t subscribe to oppression olympics, though I would like you to elaborate on what you’re saying here. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 12:33 PM |
| 57 | Don't you guys just hate it when you are for equality butFeminism was never about egalitarianism. From its ideological inception it has first and foremost been about female victimhood and hatred/vilification of men. Feminism has never not been rotten. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 12:31 PM |
| 3 | FSW what you're really saying is, "I'm not going to defend myself, because I enjoy the attention I get from being 'victimized'."Yep, absolutely right. Feminism really doesn’t care about rape victims at all, man or woman. What feminism does care about is cultivating an enemy in “the big bad patriarchy”. Rape is just a political tool to them. They desperately are trying to reinforce that rape isn’t a crime committed by horrid individuals, but a symptom of a tyrannical society that hates and oppresses women. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 01/10/21 07:18 AM |
| 7 | FSW what you're really saying is, "I'm not going to defend myself, because I enjoy the attention I get from being 'victimized'."Absolutely. Most of the academics and scholars of the second wave suffered some kind of mental illness, so it’s hardly surprising. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 30/09/21 10:35 PM |
| 8 | FSW what you're really saying is, "I'm not going to defend myself, because I enjoy the attention I get from being 'victimized'."Found it: “Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear.” Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will Dworkin also said this about rape and marriage: “Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice.” Truly blows my mind that fourthwavewomen think she’s some kind of hero Edit: oh and this from Marilyn French “As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men d… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 30/09/21 10:33 PM |
| 8 | FSW what you're really saying is, "I'm not going to defend myself, because I enjoy the attention I get from being 'victimized'."To understand it you have to look at it through the feminist ideological lens. Feminism posits that, amongst other things, “the patriarchy” seeks to control women’s sexuality, and that rape is a tool that all men use to oppress all women. I can’t remember which prominent feminist said it, but she claimed that even the men that don’t actually rape benefit from the men that do, because the fear of being raped is what scares and oppresses all women, thus it’s a tool of the patriarchy to subjugate w… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 30/09/21 08:27 PM |
| 12 | FSW what you're really saying is, "I'm not going to defend myself, because I enjoy the attention I get from being 'victimized'."Feminism only ever acknowledges male victimhood to: Denounce it as something done to themselves (“patriarchy backfiring”), or Prop up female victimhood (“women have it worse”.) | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 30/09/21 08:04 PM |
| 9 | Woman stabbed man so hard between the eyes it reached his brain - sentenced to just three years in prisonI used to be a feminist too. The dirty little secret that feminists don’t like to talk about is that a substantial number of anti-feminists, egalitarians, and MRA’s all used to be feminists. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/21 11:57 AM |
| 8 | Woman stabbed man so hard between the eyes it reached his brain - sentenced to just three years in prisonFeminism. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/21 11:43 AM |
| 7 | Woman stabbed man so hard between the eyes it reached his brain - sentenced to just three years in prisonIt’s okay. Whilst the “real feminists” are busy with University and casual jobs the “not real feminists” are busy changing laws, running university gender studies, changing social policies, and generally causing a measurable impact on the world through organisational activism such as through the UN and the NOW. But I guess you’re too busy being a “real” feminist to call out all the feminists acting under your banner being actively sexist and destructive all over the world. girlpower | /r/MensRights | 30/09/21 10:31 AM |
| 15 | Woman stabbed man so hard between the eyes it reached his brain - sentenced to just three years in prisonIt would be really easy to convince the world that men are valuable in a practical sense. You would just need everyone who wears a blue collar to work to take week off. Fuck it, even 48 hours. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/21 10:25 AM |
| 17 | Woman stabbed man so hard between the eyes it reached his brain - sentenced to just three years in prisonAnd if that man that is raped is actually a child (ie, under age) he can then be sued for child support? Yes, this has happened. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/21 10:21 AM |
| 13 | Woman stabbed man so hard between the eyes it reached his brain - sentenced to just three years in prisonYep, I’m not excited about living in this country. Notice that there isn’t a single mention of “domestic violence” in that article too. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/21 09:04 AM |
| 21 | Woman stabbed man so hard between the eyes it reached his brain - sentenced to just three years in prisonUK court system are rookies! Isn’t it possible that the man head-butted the knife? Or walked into it like in this Australian case where they couldn’t rule out that the man walked himself onto the knife?! https://www.portstephensexaminer.com.au/story/7273652/lily-ridgeway-found-not-guilty-of-murder-over-stabbing-death-of-jason-adams-at-raymond-terrace/?cs=762&fbclid=IwAR3Iu3AFsxL5DAZg6G1Ac6IPaPeY6a4dtQkbz1f9HzcjrtflftI3HYwZybU | /r/MensRights | 30/09/21 06:32 AM |
| 1 | Do you think the world is a matriarchy?Is western society/culture gynocentric? Absolutely. Is there a (growing) disparity between the gendered division of rights and responsibilities, with men shouldering a growing amount of the latter without the equivalent in the former, and women enjoying the former without the latter? Undeniably. But if we lived in a “Matriarchy” , assuming a gender-flipped version of feminists “Patriarchy” here, being: society is female dominated and thrives on male subjugation. Society exists to privilege women… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/21 11:32 AM |
| 5 | Woman fights the Patriarchy by becoming a corporate wage slave, then realizes 70 work weeks aren't all they're cracked up to be. Subsequently blames the Patriarchy.You don’t think that the widespread and harmful fairy tale of “the patriarchy”, and discussion of people (especially people involved in law!) who propagate that lie it is relevant to men’s rights? Okay. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/21 08:07 AM |
| 4 | Woman fights the Patriarchy by becoming a corporate wage slave, then realizes 70 work weeks aren't all they're cracked up to be. Subsequently blames the Patriarchy.Dr Warren Farrell observes that by and large women are predisposed to “Free Choice”, essentially, that women love having choice but want nothing to do with consequences. To anyone that has researched the last 150+ years of feminism this hardly comes as a surprise. Certainly isn’t surprising that this lady in the OP’s linked article refuses to be accountable for her actions and choices too. You can hear Farrell and Peterson talking about this and a bunch of other things related here: https://yout… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/21 08:00 AM |
| 3 | Feminism is sexist..No worries, it's really hard to find studies on male victimhood because it is barely researched and certainly not propagated and discussed nearly as much as female victimhood. Sexual Violence Perpetrated by Women: Federal Data Reveals Surprising Prevalence (2016) Edit: I also found this post by u/facelesscontrarian (great post by the way, thank you!) from a year ago that has a host of useful links, including the one I provided before. | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/09/21 03:02 AM |
| 0 | LmaoLaughing at victims of violence is a real feminist move there dude. Not cool. | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/09/21 02:45 AM |
| 3 | Feminism is sexist..Your overall message is right, however, I feel the need to point out that rape and harassment aren't gendered crimes like feminists would want you to believe. Women commit rape in approximately equal numbers to men, though the truth has been obfuscated due to Mary P Koss, the feminist academic who managed to convince the CDC to change the wording of the laws around rape so only men could commit it, and specifically exclude men from being victims of it. When you look at the numbers for "made to p… | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/09/21 02:23 AM |
| 3 | "Feminism is about equality" Me:100% | /r/MensRights | 26/09/21 12:50 PM |
| 3 | "Feminism is about equality" Me:I appreciate it! I have had very little time to do some reading on romanticism and thus far I still don’t know if I could define it to another - it seems to be a very vague construct. What I have gleaned in the immediate readings I’ve done over the last ten-fifteen minutes is that it placed an incredibly high value on emotions/feelings, specifically in spite of “rationality.” Beyond that, I’m at a loss because this is something I haven’t focussed on or researched before specifically. I definitel… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/21 12:47 PM |
| 2 | "Feminism is about equality" Me:I appreciate it, I’m (unfortunately) super aware of Dworkin. I was mostly just curious about Simones influence of bringing the “patriarchy theory” into feminist parlance. In regards to your last paragraph; I’ve been mulling over the classification of feminism (as an ideology, and as a movement) in terms of right or left leaning politics. The adherents seems to be left wing, or they identify that way. But the ideology seems to love gender norms (for men), perhaps ironically. It also works on a si… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/21 11:55 AM |
| 3 | "Feminism is about equality" Me:Interesting, personally I’ve always seen the seeds of a patriarchy theory in the declaration of sentiments (1848) but I’m curious to read more about Simone. I knew she was a prominent figure in the second wave and a pedophile, and I believe she also advocated pedophilia - but I didn’t realise she started the feminist version of the term “patriarchy”. Have you got any particular links that you’d recommend I read up on (please)? | /r/MensRights | 26/09/21 09:52 AM |
| 16 | A Bechdel Test for MenWhat Mike said. The bechdel test is bloody stupid anyway. “Gravity”, starring Sandra Bullock as the lead character doesn’t even pass the test, and no one could argue that Sandra doesn’t perform the role excellently and be a strong representation of female strength in it. Heck, even in terms of representation period she dominates the screen in that movie | /r/MensRights | 26/09/21 09:49 AM |
| 10 | They want to push to "keep women out of prisons" regardless of the crime the commit, because "of the children". Meaning that only men would ever go to prison and it doesn't matter if they have kids or not.We mustn’t hold women to the same legal standard as men though, because… shuffles cards That would be sexist…? | /r/MensRights | 25/09/21 10:28 AM |
| 1 | What is it with the constant berating and belittling of men in media?At the end of the day, the people making the movies and TV shows are looking to profit. Aside from excellent production, popular and skilled actors and actresses, and a half decent plot or story with some current CGI, one of the biggest factors that producers will look for is “appeal to the masses.” The more people the product pleases = the more money the product makes. Gynocentric attitudes please most people, and adopting “woke” SJW bullshit also protects you from being “cancelled.” It’s just … | /r/MensRights | 25/09/21 08:29 AM |
| 8 | So sick of schools saying guys are going to do something "stupid" because a chick wears a sleeveless shirtThe hyperagency / hypoagency dilemma strikes again. Let’s not forget that just as boys going through puberty experience the drives of libido, so do girls going through puberty. When faculties and societal attitudes start appreciating how most of this shit isn’t gendered then they’ll be in a position to approach it in a helpful and positive manner. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/21 08:13 AM |
| 1 | Feminism confuses me , first of all they want to have safe neighborhoods where women can easily walk in the night with safety but then proceeds to sign petitions to give criminals a bail because they were "Too cute for jail".Hard to call what we had an argument when the summary of our brief conversation can be represented as: Me: asks question You: avoids question and attacks moral character of the MRM Me: notes that ideologies can be defined and should be judged. Asks another question similar to first. You: avoids question again. Accuses me of not understanding your point. Me: requests clarity. You: restates same attack on moral character of the MRM and accuses me/this subreddit of not being intellectually honest, … | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 08:20 PM |
| 4 | Feminism confuses me , first of all they want to have safe neighborhoods where women can easily walk in the night with safety but then proceeds to sign petitions to give criminals a bail because they were "Too cute for jail".If I were to go by this method of judging it, then I could easily paint you all as women murdering, basement dwelling, school shooting creeps, if I judged men's rights activists from the extreme, that being incels. I'm going to ignore the fact that there isn't any evidence to suggest that there has ever been any correlation between femicide or violence and the MRM, so it's a false metaphor, to begin with. I also never suggested we should judge feminism by some vapid tik tok idiots. As you can se… | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 01:24 PM |
| 3 | Feminism confuses me , first of all they want to have safe neighborhoods where women can easily walk in the night with safety but then proceeds to sign petitions to give criminals a bail because they were "Too cute for jail".Make your point clearly then. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 01:04 PM |
| 6 | Feminism confuses me , first of all they want to have safe neighborhoods where women can easily walk in the night with safety but then proceeds to sign petitions to give criminals a bail because they were "Too cute for jail".Nice try homie. An “-ism” can be defined as a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory. It may also be defined as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. FeminISM fits all of those definitions. Feminism is an ideology based on a set of theories. I would think that if the ideology of Feminism exists then it should be judged on its ideological merit. Do you agree? If not, why not? (As you may have noticed, I didn’t ask how do you judge feminISTS, I asked how you judge feminIS… | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 12:54 PM |
| 5 | Feminism confuses me , first of all they want to have safe neighborhoods where women can easily walk in the night with safety but then proceeds to sign petitions to give criminals a bail because they were "Too cute for jail".What is the fair way to judge feminism then? By itself as an ideology? By their leaders, scholars, and academics? Edit: typo | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 12:08 PM |
| 5 | Feminism confuses me , first of all they want to have safe neighborhoods where women can easily walk in the night with safety but then proceeds to sign petitions to give criminals a bail because they were "Too cute for jail".I think it might be important to remember here that no government, monarchy, or other body of national leadership has every acted in favour of one gender “vs” another, they act in such a way that is profitable and legitimises their claim to power. Gynocentrism is like the “button-mash-to-win” of government in general. Everyone feels good about attention and funds being focussed on and diverted to women (generally speaking.) So when you consider that nation leaders want to legitimise and strength… | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 11:21 AM |
| 21 | Feminism confuses me , first of all they want to have safe neighborhoods where women can easily walk in the night with safety but then proceeds to sign petitions to give criminals a bail because they were "Too cute for jail".Great question, great insight, great response. I appreciate you asking it. As you’ve rightly identified there isn’t necessarily a simple explanation for anything. Generally speaking; people are incredibly complex creatures. To reduce someone to a single facet of their existence usually denotes some form of bigotry, and society has come a long way in recognising this when it comes to skin colour, religion, and ethnicity. Granted, there’s still work to do in these areas, but I digress. Why are men… | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 10:41 AM |
| 46 | Feminism confuses me , first of all they want to have safe neighborhoods where women can easily walk in the night with safety but then proceeds to sign petitions to give criminals a bail because they were "Too cute for jail".Fuck if I had a dollar for every time…. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 09:51 AM |
| 59 | Feminism confuses me , first of all they want to have safe neighborhoods where women can easily walk in the night with safety but then proceeds to sign petitions to give criminals a bail because they were "Too cute for jail".Red herring discussion in a way. Fact of the matter is, the majority victims of violence aren’t women. They’re men. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 09:44 AM |
| 9 | Had the misfortune of reading this garbage...One of the surest ways to make sure paranoia grows is to entertain it. Entertaining paranoia legitimises it. And thus it just continues to spiral out of control. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 05:22 AM |
| 3 | I need help refuting this statement can anyone help me out?Seems pretty evident to me that the OP was stymied by the obfuscatory smokescreen from his opponent. u/bloodfuel I'm going to tag you in because it will be good for you to see this. There are two main things the OP would have needed to see in the opponents' response to debate it effectively, and if one isn't experienced in critically assessing a debate opponent or recognising logical fallacies it can be quite hard. It would have been especially hard with the mountain of red herrings distracting … | /r/MensRights | 21/09/21 06:29 AM |
| 1 | I need help refuting this statement can anyone help me out?Furthermore, studies have proven consistently that children do better with both parents than just one, and some studies even indicate that the biggest predictor of success in children is the presence of their father. If feminism really wanted what was best for the kids they wouldn't be pushing dads out of the picture and giving the mother everything they want (the money, the kids, a home, and security). That being said; men are the central evil in their ideology, so at least their practices are … | /r/MensRights | 21/09/21 04:45 AM |
| 65 | Feminist GF seems unsympathetic to mens issues, sees most men as assholes. Is this a red flag to break it off?I’m glad you commented this, as I’ve been reading through a lot of the other comments and the OP needs to know he is being gaslighted crazy hard. OP, if you read this, look into what gaslighting is. If you value your mental and psychological health you need to get out of there now. She does not love you. She is using you. | /r/MensRights | 21/09/21 03:57 AM |
| 4 | The mighty 3rd Wave!Someone hasn’t read the declaration of sentiments. Nor researched all the arson, attempted assassinations, and promotion (and acts) of wanton violence that the suffragettes were engaged in. Nor the white feather campaign. Nor the coverture laws surrounding property. They were quite happy with women keeping their income separate from their husband and children, but extra happy to ensure their husband still had to pay tax on their income. You’ve got some reading to do my friend | /r/AntiFeminists | 20/09/21 06:44 AM |
| 27 | Man shot in the face during child custody exchange in Warren police station parking lotMakes you wonder just how many acts of violence perpetrated by women against their male partners by proxy of another male, whether relative or intimate partner, are occurring. Very convenient for feminist organisations that instances of women committing domestic violence by proxy is hidden in other categories of crime. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/21 04:13 AM |
| 7 | Feminist Here: Maybe I Don't Agree with Feminism AnymoreThe whole point of feminism is “liberating” women from their “oppression” and “subjugation” at the hands of men. This is their patriarchy theory. This is what they’ve spent near 150 years building theories around. A completely bunkum theory that has no basis in reality, but one the feminist leaders, scholars, academics, and organisations cling to because it gives them moral permission to seek privileges for women and deny rights and privileges for men where they can, without experiencing a whisp… | /r/MensRights | 19/09/21 12:58 PM |
| 8 | Feminist Here: Maybe I Don't Agree with Feminism AnymoreThe point isn’t that you’d probably more accurately be an egalitarian who (sadly) appears to believe in equality of outcome rather than opportunity, but that these “misandrist” feminists are the scholars, icons, and leaders of the feminist movement. Even as far back as the 1848 Declaration of Sentiments, considered the birthplace of feminism, they espoused the earliest rhetoric which would become their “patriarchy theory”. ”The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation … | /r/MensRights | 19/09/21 11:46 AM |
| 7 | Feminist Here: Maybe I Don't Agree with Feminism AnymoreKaren Straughan's response to "those aren't real feminists": So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists". That's not just "no t… | /r/MensRights | 19/09/21 11:25 AM |
| 2 | I asked 15 women and 15 men what their thoughts on the father, or whoever will be forced to take responsibility for the child also having the ability to make the woman get an abortion, here were their responsesDon’t worry about gator, she believes that at the moment of conception the father has forfeited his right to choose his parental destiny, but the mother still has the right to choose hers. And then when a father tries to exercise his right to choose to not being a father (like mothers have the option of before, during, and after pregnancy) apparently that’s proof that the father is a deadbeat. Ie, the mother is absolved of all responsibility and accountability. Oh, and being an egalitarian in te… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/21 02:03 PM |
| 1 | I asked 15 women and 15 men what their thoughts on the father, or whoever will be forced to take responsibility for the child also having the ability to make the woman get an abortion, here were their responsesHmm, what's wrong with being an egalitarian? And no, I think you're actually more a misogynist. Gasp! Men can handle being responsible for their actions (I mean, they have to, as society generally forces responsibility on men regardless of a statistical few outliers), but it seems you think women can't handle being responsible for theirs, which is why you believe that the responsibility of fatherhood is something that is decided by the mother, not the father. After all, you do hold men to a much… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/21 12:00 AM |
| 1 | I asked 15 women and 15 men what their thoughts on the father, or whoever will be forced to take responsibility for the child also having the ability to make the woman get an abortion, here were their responsesI knew early on that I wasn’t going to convince you to see that you’re a bigot, but that’s fine. The purpose of this discussion wasn’t to convince you, it was to show everyone just how much of an idiot you are. Well done, and thanks for playing | /r/MensRights | 16/09/21 10:58 PM |
| 6 | I asked 15 women and 15 men what their thoughts on the father, or whoever will be forced to take responsibility for the child also having the ability to make the woman get an abortion, here were their responsesNot really, you just want to fight biology. News flash. You can't. You want equality? We'll have it when men can give birth. If we're talking about parental rights after the child is born, then whoever gave birth should be irrelevant. Once that child is born, it's a person. So I'm not "fighting biology", as it is irrelevant. Unless... you believe that the mother should have more rights than the father to the child? If it has a mother and father that (assuming both mother and father consented to … | /r/MensRights | 16/09/21 11:25 AM |
| 9 | I asked 15 women and 15 men what their thoughts on the father, or whoever will be forced to take responsibility for the child also having the ability to make the woman get an abortion, here were their responsesYour thought process is logically inconsistent, verging on incoherent, and I can already tell that you’re not open to the idea of actual equality between men and women on this subject because of what seems to be a subconscious fear of imposing equal responsibility and obligation on women. But let’s see. So let’s explore the idea that the obligation of motherhood and fatherhood both “lock in” at birth and not before. If the mother and father have an equal right and equal responsibility for the ca… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/21 10:10 AM |
| 11 | I asked 15 women and 15 men what their thoughts on the father, or whoever will be forced to take responsibility for the child also having the ability to make the woman get an abortion, here were their responsesIf conception is enough to justify mandatory parenthood on a father, then “equality” would be manifested by mandatory motherhood being imposed on the mother. Congratulations, you’re successfully anti LPS (legal paternal surrender AKA the paper abortion) for men, and anti abortion for women. If you support women having a choice in being a mother (speaking of their options; they have access to contraceptives, the morning after pill, abortion, safe haven laws after birth, and adoption, so choices a… | /r/MensRights | 16/09/21 09:50 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingAh, and here you expose your fundamental logical incoherency for all to see. And general failure to grasp key principles. No, I didn’t say no identifying feminist would object to Solanas or Ford. Solanas is a feminist because she identified as one and believed in the core theories of feminism. Erin Pizzey did flee feminists, a group of terrorists whether organised or not that were unified by their ideology (feminism) and were attacking/threatening her because of her anti-feminism beliefs/declara… | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/09/21 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingI never said nor suggested that no feminist would reject what a particular feminist icon said. Don’t know where you pulled that from. You literally just no true Scotsmanned again! The no true Scotsman fallacy is more than the “format” from the titular example of which the logical fallacy draws its namesake. It can be expressed as an appeal to purity and also as an appeal to ambiguity. By blurring the lines of how to define it so much that any conflicting concepts renders it immune criticism or d… | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/09/21 12:23 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingIf something exists, then it can be defined in some way, shape or form. This is true regardless of people disagreeing on a definition. What are you suggesting here? That feminism, just as any other ideology, doesn’t exist? Yes, I get what you’re argument is. Your entire argument is the no true Scotsman fallacy, aka an appeal to purity or ambiguity. It is fundamentally illogical. And if you continue to stick to that then quite simply you are not arguing in good faith. Funnily enough, I agree that… | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/09/21 10:43 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingIf Feminism as an Ideology can’t be defined, then as Karen Straughan puts it, it is like sword fighting a fart. Your entire argument in response to everything I’ve provided thus far is disingenuous. Constant appeals to purity, no true Scotsman’s. If no one can be defined as a feminist, and if feminism can’t be defined, and if each feminist who disagrees with another feminist means they are ruled out of being criticised as a feminist, then you render the concept of feminism so murky that it might… | /r/AntiFeminists | 14/09/21 09:34 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingBack to Sally and her silly 3 step program. You wrote “Such a prospect is attractive to women who feel that if they bear sons no amount of love and care and nonsexist training will save those sons from a culture where male violence is institutionalized and revered.” There might be a few but how many? I assert these numbers are insignificant. Proof me wrong. Sallys jazz is simply out of this world stupid. No, Sally wrote that... Amusing that in your attempt to criticise me you are actually critic… | /r/AntiFeminists | 14/09/21 01:02 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingOk, lets look at the suffragettes. Oh, they are gone. Also you: at first Sally Miller Gearhart and now Andrea Dworkin. why so much interest in second wave feminism these days? first and second wave imo was really about human rights. Not all was gold (as you can see in the Sally Gearhart thread) but it's intentions were right. If we are talking about all waves, then we are talking about all waves. If we are critiquing feminism as an ideology, then every part of the ideology is eligible for critic… | /r/AntiFeminists | 14/09/21 12:53 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingWeird question, as the reason I suggested you look at the Declaration of Sentiments is because I am indeed aware of its contents. Why would I suggest something to you that I haven't read myself...? Anyway. There isn't a violent call to action in the Declaration. My previous comment was to inspire you to look at the Declaration and look into all the domestic terrorism that the suffragettes participated in. So let's look at that first. Their acts of terrorism included and was not limited to: the a… | /r/AntiFeminists | 14/09/21 12:04 AM |
| 9 | Misandric Feminist admits that FDS is not working in real lifeShe’s gonna have to be happy with herself first… | /r/AntiFeminists | 11/09/21 06:13 AM |
| 25 | Misandric Feminist admits that FDS is not working in real lifeIt’s both, and the give-aways are in her inferences/implications. What anyone can observe here readily is a large attitude of entitlement. And when she didn’t have her entitlement satisfied by this lucky guy she sought to have her hurt feelings justified, ie, her entitlement justified by a support group of fellow narcissists. The misandry is a bit less obvious to spot. “Damn dude! What more could you ask for? I’m here, the whole package snd(sic) more, you’re really this stupid?” As a single stat… | /r/AntiFeminists | 11/09/21 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingFeminism was corrupt from the start. Just look at the declaration of sentiments (Seneca falls, 1848) and all the domestic terrorism the suffragettes were involved in. | /r/AntiFeminists | 10/09/21 08:53 PM |
| 4 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingThe dictionary definition of feminism is a convenient red herring that they hide behind. Never mind that their actions and rhetoric consistently prove that they are about as far away from egalitarianism as they are from reality. But, here’s the thing. Feminism is an ideology. And in their twisted and sad view of the world they are fighting for a semblance of equality. But for them to be doing so, they have to believe as an inalienable fact that women are oppressed and men are the oppressors. So … | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 11:40 PM |
| 3 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingI suspect if you and I caught up for a beer or 6 we would get along fantastically | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 02:54 PM |
| 7 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingThat is very good. Do that. Also make sure you practice the same thing with any ideology. Don’t stop with the ideology of stupidit— clears throat - feminism. | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 02:48 PM |
| 5 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingNo, it really wasn’t | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 02:18 PM |
| 1 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingOk | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 02:09 PM |
| 9 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingFeminism never pretended. Nor did it need to pretend. https://antifeministpraxis.com/2017/07/21/feminism-is-on-trial-never-forget-that/ | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 01:48 PM |
| 6 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingMate, of the two of us, I’ve actually managed to read one of her books, which I promise is more than you’ve ever read of hers. Maybe her ideology let her down, maybe it didn’t. My personal assessment of Dworkin is that she was mentally ill from an extremely young age and it was never diagnosed nor dealt with. I suspect she suffered BPD, depression, and a host of other things. So whilst I agree that I have a lot to learn, and will hopefully spend the rest of my life continuing to learn… I don’t s… | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 01:45 PM |
| 9 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingWhy attack her appearance when her ideology and advocacy are perfect targets on their own? Why debase ourselves with attacking looks? Yes she is a poster child for obesity kills but that isn’t what I give a flying fuck about, her anti woman and her anti man rhetoric is. | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 01:33 PM |
| 2 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingLooks don’t matter | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 12:43 PM |
| 27 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingOh, dude, I muscled my way through one of her books called “right wing women”, mainly because i can’t in good conscience criticise or challenge someone who I haven’t given time of my day to research. She has other books. I am willing to bet she had nothing to contribute more than what she did in “RWW.” | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 12:40 PM |
| 30 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingFuck I wish more people understood this | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 12:08 PM |
| 36 | Feminism is something about equality something something somethingI love that feminists think A.D. is. a feminist hero, and I suppose she is, because her views and rhetoric are consistent with Feminism as an ideology. Indeed, she is one of the celebrated leaders of the movement. https://www.thoughtco.com/andrea-dworkin-quotes-3530027 Observe a series of quotes from her. Me personally, I can’t rightly decide if I find her misandry or her misogyny more disgusting. | /r/AntiFeminists | 09/09/21 12:05 PM |
| 2 | HypocrisyI’d rather not deign to honour bigots nor simpletons with my time nor attention. Let them rot in their own time. | /r/MensRights | 09/09/21 09:38 AM |
| 4 | HypocrisyNo but you see women are a weak class, a victim class, and an incompetent class, and as such women can’t be strong or competent, they can’t be responsible for anything, and any attempt to make women better or more competent or more represented in stats that favour women need to be accomplished with denigrating men, diminishing men, and/or erasing male competition. But that’s okay, because it isn’t sexism if the weaker and more incompetent sex is “punching up”. That’s why misandry isn’t real, it … | /r/MensRights | 09/09/21 08:58 AM |
| 3 | Man evil! Woman angel!There’s only one word wrong with your assessment. That word is new. The success of the ideology of feminism relies on (in no particular order); Group victimhood status Virtue signalling Sexism Racism Postmodernism theory (Marxism 2.0, AKA Marxism in Panties) Gynocentrism Male Disposability Women-are-wonderful effect Gamma Bias And last but not least… Apathy. There’s an important conversation/discussion to be had about the idea that regardless of people consciously identifying as a feminist or no… | /r/AntiFeminists | 07/09/21 03:02 PM |
| 5 | Guess what day of the year this was published...Only any journo would. Let’s be honest, gender has nothing to do with it. We are less than two months away from “toxic masculinity month” otherwise known as “movember”, where everyone can virtue signal for 30 days at how they truly care about mens mental health whilst simultaneously blaming men for it | /r/MensRights | 05/09/21 11:25 AM |
| 10 | Guess what day of the year this was published...What a cheeky, spiteful bitch. There’s no way that wasn’t deliberate. Happy Fathers Day to all you dads out there. | /r/MensRights | 05/09/21 12:26 AM |
| 2 | Top judge warns of compliance crackdown in family law disputes | We might finally see some consequences for Australian women who deny fathers access to their childrenFucking hell man. I… no words. I don’t know what support network you have, but please know if you want to DM me, any time, I’m here. Even if it’s just to vent. I don’t know you. But. I love you. | /r/MensRights | 03/09/21 05:24 PM |
| 6 | Top judge warns of compliance crackdown in family law disputes | We might finally see some consequences for Australian women who deny fathers access to their childrenAs an alienated father who has been spending every resource on trying to see my son again for almost three years…. I feel this. I am part of a few different support groups for alienated dads and typically the “cut off” point is 8 years. I haven’t seen or talked to someone who has kept up the fight longer. The fights that last 8 years all end in suicide. I’ve also talked to people who have been alienated from their kid(s) and then learnt their kids fucking died. I hate some people. But I would ne… | /r/MensRights | 03/09/21 04:56 PM |
| 6 | Top judge warns of compliance crackdown in family law disputes | We might finally see some consequences for Australian women who deny fathers access to their childrenYeah dude, what’s in the child’s best interest is the maximum amount of time with mum and dad both. Not entirely sure what angle you’re pushing here | /r/MensRights | 03/09/21 04:45 PM |
| 11 | Top judge warns of compliance crackdown in family law disputes | We might finally see some consequences for Australian women who deny fathers access to their childrenOf course 50-50 time isn’t going to work logistically in many cases, as you rightly pointed out. But the point is, is that the default should be assumed as 50-50, because then you have somewhere to negotiate from. It recognises both the mum and the dad as equal parents that their child(ren) deserve and have a right to. Fathers shouldn’t have to fight for years just to “visit” their child once every fortnight for an hour or two. There’s a good reason why fifty fifty is often seen as a win for dad… | /r/MensRights | 03/09/21 01:22 PM |
| 11 | Remember, only mothers make good parents.Hmm, strange that the “common knowledge” that women are better caretakers doesn’t stand up to the statistics/studies surrounding subjects including child rape, child abuse, infanticide… so on, so forth. Do you believe just fathers are inherently fucked or all men in general? | /r/MensRights | 03/09/21 01:06 PM |
| 9 | Remember, only mothers make good parents.Oh, the “entirety” of human history which indicates that bio-mothers are more likely than bio-fathers to abuse and/or kill their children? | /r/MensRights | 03/09/21 12:56 PM |
| 14 | Remember, only mothers make good parents.Is it? Got any evidence for that? | /r/MensRights | 03/09/21 09:31 AM |
| 4 | What is “Toxic Masculinity”??Sexist both ways mate. Sexist in that you assume men display this “toxic masculinity” because you see it more, as it is more overt behaviour. Sexist in that you assume women display the same “toxic masculinity” because you see it less, not only because it is typically more covert but also likely because you are in fact not a woman. I’ve been around plenty of women. I’ve worked for near a decade in high end hospitality. My own two sisters, and gf, and the women I’ve worked with for years and deve… | /r/MensRights | 31/08/21 04:08 AM |
| 6 | What is “Toxic Masculinity”??Pretty sexist. And illogical. They don’t do it any more or less than men, women “as a group” have just as many shitful people as men “as a group.” Though men tend to be more overt in their social behaviour and social dominance hierarchies whereas women tend to be more covert, preferring more manipulative behaviours and character assassination in their social dominance hierarchies. Shit behaviour is just shit behaviour. Toxic masculinity suffers the problem of a cognitive distortion known as labe… | /r/MensRights | 31/08/21 03:47 AM |
| 2 | What is “Toxic Masculinity”??So when women talk about men as if they were an object or peer pressure a friend to do something they don’t want to do… that’s toxic masculinity as well? | /r/MensRights | 31/08/21 03:39 AM |
| 1 | There's fucking so much to unpack in this commentYeah it’s r/feminism | /r/AntiFeminists | 30/08/21 07:43 AM |
| 121 | If we were living in a male-dominated worldDouble-fuckdamn OP. Over the years, I’ve seen so many studies/citations which support every god damn paragraph. Altogether, it’s damning. If you can put all this together with citations at the end (or hyperlinks with each paragraph), dare I say you’ve created a powerful copypasta Very well done. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/21 01:11 PM |
| 3 | "Reverse Sexism"It’s absurd that the term even exists. Sexism against one gender is really sexism against both. You can’t have sex-based preconceptions about one gender without also having them about the other in parallel. Does my head in. | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/08/21 05:55 AM |
| 4 | "Reverse Sexism"It isn’t true sometimes. I can attest that in the women’s and kids hospital where my (at the time) long term defacto partner gave birth to our son I had a bleak experience with the midwives there. And it’s a sentiment shared by other men in my social group that are fathers too, and had wives/girlfriends who also delivered at the women and kids hospital. For what it’s worth, I am glad that you and your friends haven’t had the same or a similar experience. | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/08/21 05:52 AM |
| 1 | People really do be believing shit like thisI admire your altruism, but no, sometimes people just aren’t very smart. Mimi is one of those people. If one theoretically believes that men are more likely to wage war than women because there are more male participants in war than women, then sure. You have the beginning of a question. Feminists and those of that ilk think that the observation is also the conclusion, which further proves my belief that feminists are not smart people. Case in point, feminists believe that women winning custody … | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 09:59 AM |
| 1 | People really do be believing shit like thisMimi isn’t very smart. Or Mimi is a misogynist. Or both. I imagine that if Mimi used a time travel device to tell Boudicca or Joan d’Arc that they were victims oppressed by men and not in real control of their actions or decisions, she would have suffered a backhand that echoed through the ages. | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 06:24 AM |
| 3 | Ah yes, women cant rape, they can only seduce.Basic psychology, including the idea that a child being drugged and raped by an adult might leave that child traumatised? Yeah. I learnt that part. I’m guessing you skipped that chapter. Sad. | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 05:15 AM |
| 3 | Ah yes, women cant rape, they can only seduce.I have a life. Get some compassion, “bro.” | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 05:12 AM |
| 2 | Ah yes, women cant rape, they can only seduce.I’m beginning to think you don’t know what a strawman is. But I digress. Seems that you’re either a rape apologist, or a misandrist, or just an idiot. Or potentially some combination of all three. I just hope that in your heart of hearts you don’t think it’s okay for adults to drug and fuck kids. I don’t think that you do, but your default position on this 14yo boy who was drugged and raped by a 22yo woman being that it was “hardly likely he was traumatized from sex” (your words! That’s not a st… | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 05:10 AM |
| 2 | Ah yes, women cant rape, they can only seduce.Strawman comments? I tried to get you to clarify what you stated, more than once. You said you didn’t need to. You indicated in your own words that the boy was hardly traumatised. Im an anti feminist. What the hell are you? If my understanding of what you’ve said is so far off the mark then why would I have quoted you verbatim? | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 05:01 AM |
| 3 | Ah yes, women cant rape, they can only seduce.Okay, so you believe the 14yo boy who was drugged and raped by a 22yo woman wasn’t traumatised. I gave you plenty of opportunities to explain your way out of that but it seems to me that you’re sticking with it. Pretty disgusting dude. | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 04:58 AM |
| 2 | Ah yes, women cant rape, they can only seduce.Nothing about what I’m asking is rambling, I’m trying to understand your viewpoint, and the first step for me to do so is making sure I clarify it. Your first post dismissed the possibility that the kid was traumatised. “Yeah hardly likely he was traumatised from sex.” Then you follow it up with a statement suggesting that people falsely believe that teenagers can be traumatised by sex. “Yep. For some reason people seem to have this skewed view that teenagers will somehow be scarred for life and… | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 04:53 AM |
| 2 | Ah yes, women cant rape, they can only seduce.Teenagers will be scarred for life and traumatised because of sex… What is that meant to mean? Teenagers having sex with each other shouldn’t be presumed to be traumatising? Or teenagers having sex with teachers shouldn’t be presumed to be traumatising? | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 04:47 AM |
| 6 | Ah yes, women cant rape, they can only seduce.Alright, so I’m taking what you wrote at face value and concluding that you believe that teenagers (younger than the age of consent) can’t be traumatised or scarred for life when engaged in sexual activity with an adult (presumably) one far beyond their years both physically and emotionally/psychologically? Is that right? | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 04:41 AM |
| 5 | Ah yes, women cant rape, they can only seduce.Can you elaborate on what you’re suggesting here please? | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 04:36 AM |
| 34 | "Newspaper does not write the word "rape" in the headline" The headline: "Woman gave boy, 14, drug so she could seduce him" From here: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/p8t283/newspaper_does_not_write_the_word_rape_in_the/ (I can't simply re-post it because of this sub's rules)If any feminists are wondering what “rape culture” actually is; this is it. When boys/men are raped and the discussion is obfuscated with cleanup words/phrases, or danced around entirely. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/21 03:53 AM |
| 13 | Guy says no he won't give up something, girlfriend can't accept that.Everyone is entitled to have their boundaries on what they won’t tolerate in a romantic partner. Men and women both. Do I think some are unreasonable? Sure, but I’m sure it doesn’t feel unreasonable to them. This woman, by her own account, talked with her boyfriend after discovering he watches pornography, and made it clear she wasn’t okay with it. He perhaps might have been more tactful in telling her it was a stupid boundary to have, or at least a stupid opinion, but at least he was willing to… | /r/AntiFeminists | 22/08/21 02:54 AM |
| 1 | People really do be believing shit like thisQueens were far more likely to wage war than kings historically. | /r/AntiFeminists | 21/08/21 11:30 PM |
| 1 | People really do be believing shit like thisQueens were far more likely to wage war than kings historically. | /r/AntiFeminists | 21/08/21 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Arguing with some rare polite feminist the conversation seems to always lead to: ''Men should fight for their own rights, is not feminism jobs to care or do anything for mens rights''Hahahaha, I’m not the person you were originally talking to, but I’m the idiot apparently. Good job, good job. You’re as sharp as the top side of a tack. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/21 01:47 AM |
| 1 | Arguing with some rare polite feminist the conversation seems to always lead to: ''Men should fight for their own rights, is not feminism jobs to care or do anything for mens rights''Way to miss the point by a mile. “Property” of back then didn’t mean what you think it means chump. It means that whoever had property rights back then meant that they had the quite literal legal responsibility for the well-being, health and care for them. Men never owned children. Men had the responsibility to care for and provide for their children, i.e. their legal rights. Funnily enough, men are quite used to rights being tied to responsibility. It’s been the condition of our existence since… | /r/MensRights | 20/08/21 07:33 PM |
| 5 | Thanks reddit...Mmmmm, see, equality you have right. The whole thing with equity is that it equalises the outcome - not the requirements. Ie, same reward for “all different kinds of work.” Your use of the word equity in your prior comment lost me, speaking truthfully. But most also don’t know what equality or equity actually entail, nor the difference between the two. And I do believe it is not sexist to assert (based on the mountains of data and literal thousands of years of human lived experience) that women … | /r/MensRights | 20/08/21 06:49 PM |
| 5 | Thanks reddit...I understand the spirit behind what (I think) you’re suggesting. I have always been and forever will be pro-equality. Before I go further, I would really appreciate if you could define what you mean by: 1) equality (when discussing gender) 2) equity (when discussing gender) | /r/MensRights | 20/08/21 06:38 PM |
| 17 | Thanks reddit...Misandry is so normalised that most people can pretend it doesn’t exist because it doesn’t emotionally affect them. Most people who shit talk men or masculinity (hilariously) do so on (or “behind”) technology that was almost exclusively built by men. Inside a house built by men. Plugged into an electrical grid by and maintained by and built by men. So on, so forth… You get it. Men and women have always live complementary lives. They… they do not get it | /r/MensRights | 20/08/21 06:27 PM |
| 8 | Thanks reddit...she tweeted from her smartphone | /r/MensRights | 20/08/21 06:21 PM |
| 14 | UK: Women and girls are to get sanctuary in UK: Afghan females will be given priority to come here. OP: But the men left behind who fought against the Taliban will be killed.Before Boko Haram abducted the approx 230 girls, they had already brutally murdered thousands of boys, or abducted them and forced them to be child soldiers. The world didn’t care until the girls were kidnapped, and then the west exploded with the #bringbackourgirls movement. Even now you can go to any website/article talking about the atrocities Boko Haram have committed. Without fail they will highlight and focus on women/girls. When it talks about massacres, casualties, and the victims that a… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 10:51 PM |
| 9 | UK: Women and girls are to get sanctuary in UK: Afghan females will be given priority to come here. OP: But the men left behind who fought against the Taliban will be killed.I didn’t say women pushed it, I said feminists did (or at least, feminist puppets). https://www.un.org/en/un-chronicle/impact-covid-19-women https://interactive.unwomen.org/multimedia/explainer/covid19/en/index.html https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/future-of-work/covid-19-and-gender-equality-countering-the-regressive-effects https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/seven-charts-that-show-covid-19s-impact-on-womens-employment https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 09:08 PM |
| 5 | UK: Women and girls are to get sanctuary in UK: Afghan females will be given priority to come here. OP: But the men left behind who fought against the Taliban will be killed.Oh, I absolutely agree that not all comments that are made on this subreddit (mine included) actually contribute to a discussion. I, just as others, sometimes just comment to vent. You’re welcome to go through my comment history of course. I usually focus on engaging people who disagree, sometimes with the wasted energy of trying to show them the error of their thoughts, but also open to the reality that I might be wrong. Thus far, I haven’t met a feminist (or feminist-minded individual) who can… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 03:12 PM |
| 10 | UK: Women and girls are to get sanctuary in UK: Afghan females will be given priority to come here. OP: But the men left behind who fought against the Taliban will be killed.Okay, thank you for replying. I just want to make sure I’m reading you correctly. You acknowledge that MRA’s / this subreddit (men’s rights) have two valid points in male homelessness and male suicide rates being disproportionate and a problem that the MRM are right to be addressing. I’m the one who said (sarcastically and hyperbolically) that men aren’t human. Largely because the humanity of men is largely devalued or discarded. This is how it’s always been, and we can see it happening right in… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 02:37 PM |
| 22 | UK: Women and girls are to get sanctuary in UK: Afghan females will be given priority to come here. OP: But the men left behind who fought against the Taliban will be killed.Not the best example, because when you compare rape statistics with made to envelop statistics there is essentially gender parity (ie, rape is not a gendered crime) but i see what you’re saying. I’m sure if that if a meteor struck earth Clinton would find a way to make sure we all knew that women were most affected though. It would be par for the course. Feminists have been spouting that COVID affects women more despite the mortality rate in men being far greater. To be fair, feminists aren’t fa… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 02:25 PM |
| 6 | USA: Bob Dylan plied 12-year-old with booze and drugs before sexually abusing her in 1965, a suit says. OP: 56 years ago! Yet she is not named.Get that sexist shit out of here. There is a huge problem in the legal system which puts too much weight on the accusation when coming from a woman who is accusing a man, fact. The legal system is heavily biased against men, fact. The legal system and society offers bare minimum (to nil) protections for men, fact. The legal system incentivises false claims and false allegations on the part of women towards men, because they have everything to gain and nothing to lose, especially in family court,… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 02:18 PM |
| 16 | UK: Women and girls are to get sanctuary in UK: Afghan females will be given priority to come here. OP: But the men left behind who fought against the Taliban will be killed.Mate, most expressed sentiments that devalue male humanity, men, and even boys, are so normalised and societally accepted that they aren’t reported on in any meaningful and radical way. If you’re in the mood to look up some interesting reading material, consider researching terms such as: Male Disposability, Gamma Bias, and Gynocentrism Historically, and presently, the socially accepted and expected place of a man is the receiver of violence and harm, and the protected class has always been, sti… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 02:07 PM |
| 98 | UK: Women and girls are to get sanctuary in UK: Afghan females will be given priority to come here. OP: But the men left behind who fought against the Taliban will be killed.“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.” Hilary Clinton. | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 01:02 PM |
| 62 | UK: Women and girls are to get sanctuary in UK: Afghan females will be given priority to come here. OP: But the men left behind who fought against the Taliban will be killed.Oh boy, you’re not ready to hear about the Boko Haram massacres then | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 01:00 PM |
| 16 | UK: Women and girls are to get sanctuary in UK: Afghan females will be given priority to come here. OP: But the men left behind who fought against the Taliban will be killed.Also because men aren’t human | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 12:57 PM |
| 19 | USA: Bob Dylan plied 12-year-old with booze and drugs before sexually abusing her in 1965, a suit says. OP: 56 years ago! Yet she is not named.Believe evidence, not genders. | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 12:55 PM |
| 3 | Suicide Squad star Joel Kinnaman under investigation for rape | Woman now alleges he raped her in 2018 after he reported her to police for extortion and took out a restraining order against her obsessive attempts to contact himAs I expected, you have no idea what you’re talking about, and you’re relying on ignorance, red herrings, and obfuscation to ignore challenges to your own blind bigotry. Violence is an action. Aggression is a predominantly male behavioural trait. But aggression is not synonymous with violence. Maybe you should actually do some research into the study of behaviour and the DSM-5. You didn’t say all, but you do hang onto the unsupportable belief that violence is a gendered issue in which men are th… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 03:21 AM |
| 3 | Suicide Squad star Joel Kinnaman under investigation for rape | Woman now alleges he raped her in 2018 after he reported her to police for extortion and took out a restraining order against her obsessive attempts to contact himThe position “most of the people who commit X, Y, & Z crimes are male, therefore, there is a problem inherent with maleness or masculinity” is not only a logical fallacy (non sequitur, ie, it does not follow), it’s delusional self deception and grossly misandrist, as it takes the actions of a tiny amount of men and equates it to being representative of some greater flaw inherent in all men by virtue of attributing it to maleness/masculinity. The majority of children are killed by their mothers. … | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 02:59 AM |
| 3 | Suicide Squad star Joel Kinnaman under investigation for rape | Woman now alleges he raped her in 2018 after he reported her to police for extortion and took out a restraining order against her obsessive attempts to contact himWhat’s scary is how indoctrinated you are by feminist propaganda. I’ve got nothing to say about all the other dribble you just wrote, other than to dismiss it as a lazy ad hominem. When you look at the statistics for “made to penetrate” you see that it pretty much balances out with rape. Why the two different terms? Because feminist Mary P Koss defined men out of being victims of rape by women years ago, which works wonders for their ideologically driven political narrative. According to her, fe… | /r/MensRights | 17/08/21 02:02 AM |
| 3 | Suicide Squad star Joel Kinnaman under investigation for rape | Woman now alleges he raped her in 2018 after he reported her to police for extortion and took out a restraining order against her obsessive attempts to contact himYeah, that is exactly the point you’re making, with an added bonus of inflating the victimisation rate of women, downplaying the victimisation rate of men, and effacing to the point of erasure female perpetrators of both false allegations and rape. Or did you miss the memo where male on female rape and female on male rape occur at approximately the same rates? What fantasy world do you live in? | /r/MensRights | 16/08/21 11:45 PM |
| 3 | Suicide Squad star Joel Kinnaman under investigation for rape | Woman now alleges he raped her in 2018 after he reported her to police for extortion and took out a restraining order against her obsessive attempts to contact himYour point is that male humanity is secondary to female humanity, and we shouldn’t be nearly as concerned about the way things affect men, but rather make sure we focus on the way things affect women first. Right. | /r/MensRights | 16/08/21 10:59 PM |
| 8 | Stop associating gender rights movements to politicsI’m assuming this is another daft attempt to defend feminism from criticism? | /r/MensRights | 16/08/21 12:20 AM |
| 4 | Just some venting/ranting.You really think you did something, didn’t you? Lol. | /r/MensRights | 09/08/21 02:54 PM |
| 2 | Blatant misandry has become totally normal and nobody in Reddit seems to care anymore…Since the fds sub doesn’t care about calling men names..I hereby call them Vags too..anyways wanted to say, Vags might get this subreddit banned too.There are multiple ways for ideologies and causes to overlap. Trad-cons and feminism both share gynocentrism and male disposability in common as core values. The difference is in execution. | /r/AntiFeminists | 07/08/21 06:54 PM |
| 4 | Tip : no feminist has any intellectual integrity. They will lie to you and themselves. Especially about how much they know about their own movement's evil. There are no innocent unicorns.Ehhhh, let's not honour the NAFALT position that intellectually challenged individuals feminists use as something they believe to be a legitimate argument. It isn't. Anti-feminists have been calling out feminism for its lack of intellectual integrity for decades. Feminists haven't managed a legitimate argument yet that they could actually substantiate. So let's call it what it is and not give them the honour of calling it something resembling intellectual discussion. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/21 05:37 PM |
| 5 | Blatant misandry has become totally normal and nobody in Reddit seems to care anymore…Since the fds sub doesn’t care about calling men names..I hereby call them Vags too..anyways wanted to say, Vags might get this subreddit banned too.Feminism and trad-cons seem like strange bedfellows, sure... but when you look at it with a critical eye everything makes perfect sense. | /r/AntiFeminists | 07/08/21 05:30 PM |
| 2 | Years later and still as relevant as ever. Karen Straughan's response to "those aren't real feminists". You're right, you're the real feminist making anonymous, feel good comments about how true feminism is equality. So what about those with consequential power and influence?Just crossposted this to r/menareevil (edit:typo) r/feminism. Ban hammer landing in 3… 2… Edit: 1! Lol They really don't like anyone messing with their echo chamber. Comical. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/21 05:13 PM |
| 5 | Tip : no feminist has any intellectual integrity. They will lie to you and themselves. Especially about how much they know about their own movement's evil. There are no innocent unicorns.Heh, awesome, I’m so glad it has been pinned. I sort by new here so I missed it. She (and her work) deserves to be way more famous/circulated than what it currently is. Though I don’t know her personally, I admire her greatly. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/21 05:07 PM |
| 21 | Tip : no feminist has any intellectual integrity. They will lie to you and themselves. Especially about how much they know about their own movement's evil. There are no innocent unicorns.This is another tried and true mechanism feminists employ; the no true scotsman fallacy. Otherwise known as the NAFALT “nOt AlL FeMiNiStS aRe LiKe ThAt”. Karen Straughan (girlwriteswhat) has a great video on this titled similarly NAFALT11!1!!!111!1!1!1 | /r/MensRights | 07/08/21 04:59 PM |
| 89 | Arguing with some rare polite feminist the conversation seems to always lead to: ''Men should fight for their own rights, is not feminism jobs to care or do anything for mens rights''The first thing you need to understand about feminism is that before anything else it is an ideology. It is built on fundamental tenets, the core theory being “tha patriarchy” and all its theoretical offshoots including (but not limited to) patriarchal domestic terrorism (Duluth model), rape culture, universal female subjugation and universal male oppression. There is no “masculinism” ideology, or even something resembling it, in the MRM (re: Men’s Rights Movement.) There is a significance to th… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/21 04:51 PM |
| 1 | Historical myths about gender inequality that have been debunked?Yep. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/21 03:51 PM |
| 7 | Historical myths about gender inequality that have been debunked?Feminism is all for equality, and helps men too. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/21 12:22 PM |
| 12 | Dad questionLawyer up. Should she so desire, she can make life absolutely hell for you, and the system will support her in doing that. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/21 09:34 PM |
| 7 | R/femaledatingstrategy is a gold mine for misandry. They literally call men "scrotes". Guess we should stop existing.It probably looks like a circle. Lol. | /r/AntiFeminists | 03/08/21 05:47 AM |
| 2 | R/femaledatingstrategy is a gold mine for misandry. They literally call men "scrotes". Guess we should stop existing.I mean, the two aren’t mutually exclusive | /r/AntiFeminists | 03/08/21 05:40 AM |
| 0 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsHer activism was retroactively attributed to feminism, and feminists consider her a proto-feminist. Even if you want to contest that, it is pertinent that the banner that she wove was picked up by feminists and has been protected by them since day one. And you still haven’t addressed any of my points which dismantle your assertion that feminism used to be about equality. I’m not going to participate in your derailing and obfuscation anymore. Unless you want to come to the table with some intelle… | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 08:59 AM |
| 1 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsSo what? Derail much? We are talking about feminism and how it was never about equality? Some second wave feminists were guilty of some amazingly misogynistic quotes too. Being deliberately obtuse and derailing are both signs of intellectual dishonesty. | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 08:52 AM |
| 2 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsOh my god, I’m not talking about current feminism either. Are you being deliberately obtuse? I have iterated more than once that I’m talking about early feminism/first wave. And whilst Caroline Norton was retroactively called a proto-feminist, you’re right in that at the time of the early to mid 1800’s the label didn’t exist. Semantics aside, what is particularly pertinent is that at no point has feminism (yes, from its origins) ever sought to equalise the scales between parental rights and resp… | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 08:49 AM |
| 0 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsAgain, you are missing the point. I’m beginning to wonder if you’re doing so deliberately. No, women did not have to take on the same responsibilities as men. Even with coverture laws and property rights, feminism won the right for women to legally own their own property and even before their women could earn an income, but their husbands were responsible for paying tax on it. Early feminist activism from Caroline Norton won the right for women to retain custody of children, but did not fight fo… | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 08:28 AM |
| 3 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsI am beginning to think you and i are having two different discussions. I mean, you never “explained” the “behaviour” regarding the declaration of sentiments. And if you want to talk about “rebuttals”, you still haven’t explained how feminism can claim to fight for equality when it was clearly never interested in equal responsibilities, only advancing women’s rights where it was of benefit to them. | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 07:59 AM |
| 1 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsIm ignoring the stuff irrelevant to the point that feminism is was never about equality. And you quite clearly do not fact check feminists as if you had done appropriate research and not looked at history through the feminist lens you’d already know they were never about equality. Just look at the declaration of sentiments for goodness sake. They don’t even try to hide it. | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 07:50 AM |
| 2 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsWelp, you have a fairly typical comprehension of history. An ignorant one. Women could do plenty with out men. There’s records of female master blacksmiths in the UK going as far back as the 16th century (might be 15th century? Point is it was a long time ago.) What is even more conspicuous is the distinct lack of any law prohibiting women from working. Women generally had the luxury of being allowed to rely on men for their welfare and wellbeing. Whilst historically men may have had a slightly … | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 07:47 AM |
| 2 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsIrrelevant. From where did your assumption come that feminism was originally about equality? What proof do you have to back that up? | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 07:31 AM |
| 3 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsI’m not the person you were originally corresponding with, but here is a colourful article on the racism in which the suffragettes were steeped. https://thefrisky.com/your-fave-is-problematic-white-suffragettes-were-very-fucking-racist/ The first wavers weren’t interested in equality, and the suffragettes in particular leaned heavily on anti black rhetoric to further their cause. They weren’t even interested in universal suffrage for women, they were after what they called “ten pound suffrage”, … | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 07:06 AM |
| 1 | Kelly Clarkson has to pay ex husband 200k a month in child support. Feminists loose their mindsBut you’ll blindly believe feminism was always about equality, or “used to be good,” gotcha, makes sense | /r/MensRights | 02/08/21 06:58 AM |
| 3 | Olympics: US fencer, 29, accused of sexual assault, confronts teammates after they wear pink face masks. OP: Sentemced by the media and feminist politics.That would be right, if I thought that. Good thing I don’t. | /r/MensRights | 01/08/21 08:24 PM |
| 3 | Olympics: US fencer, 29, accused of sexual assault, confronts teammates after they wear pink face masks. OP: Sentemced by the media and feminist politics.Your ignorance is astonishing. The MRM and Feminism are incompatible. Feminism is quite definitively anti-man. You’re right in that you don’t have to choose to align with either, but, if you do with one then you can’t with the other. There might exist flaws with the Men’s Rights Movement, but there is no central organisation or governing body organising it, and it isn’t ideologically based whereas feminism is an ideology which is based on rhetoric and does possess structured organisations. And t… | /r/MensRights | 01/08/21 08:21 PM |
| 2 | Olympics: US fencer, 29, accused of sexual assault, confronts teammates after they wear pink face masks. OP: Sentemced by the media and feminist politics.That post was NAFALTing and falsely associating the MRM with violent assholes who have zero association with the MRM. Reeks of a false flag operation to me. | /r/MensRights | 01/08/21 07:56 PM |
| 3 | Olympics: US fencer, 29, accused of sexual assault, confronts teammates after they wear pink face masks. OP: Sentemced by the media and feminist politics.Your post recently: Feminism's silence on extremists One of the biggest faults of feminism is ignoring extremists. Feminism needs to call out those that get radicalized by TwoX, FDS, and other online communities into destructive behaviour. I believe mens rights should not make the same mistake and denounce things like what happened in Ohio recently. While this group does not support 'incel' comments or any violence, it is important in these scenarios to not just not support it, but to openly con… | /r/MensRights | 01/08/21 07:47 PM |
| 16 | Olympics: US fencer, 29, accused of sexual assault, confronts teammates after they wear pink face masks. OP: Sentemced by the media and feminist politics.Speaking of “real” conversation, why do you pretend anyone who challenges your understanding of feminism doesn’t exist? | /r/MensRights | 01/08/21 01:37 PM |
| 3 | Make womansplaining a thing. Respond with womansplaining when some says you’re mansplaining.Sexism as revenge is fine? I think you just invented feminism. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/21 04:10 AM |
| 28 | Is it true that only fathers got custody before 1839 in England?Correct. Fathers had responsibility for children because fathers had responsibility for the children. Caroline Norton and the doctrine her advocacy instated shifted custody to the mother (who the father was still financially responsibility for). If feminism was ever about equality then the financial responsibility (and other social responsibilities) would fall to the mother but no, that would have been too hard on the women. This is one of the first examples of feminism fighting for privilege an… | /r/MensRights | 30/07/21 03:04 PM |
| 7 | About the draft now including women...It’s what feminism has been fighting for since mid 1800s and I’m really tired of people pretending feminism “used to be good” | /r/MensRights | 30/07/21 02:58 PM |
| 18 | About the draft now including women...The power of high status men, with the privileges of women, and the responsibility of children. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/21 01:05 PM |
| 18 | Which parents are more likely to kill their children; more specifically who the courts should be awarding custody to…Ever heard of feminism? | /r/MensRights | 30/07/21 12:03 PM |
| 2 | post speaks for itselfSome? Bro. Majority. | /r/AntiFeminists | 27/07/21 11:06 AM |
| 2 | post speaks for itselfYes, I know, again… I’m not disagreeing with you. | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/07/21 10:50 PM |
| 4 | post speaks for itselfThat’s a good start, yes. | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/07/21 10:13 PM |
| 4 | post speaks for itselfI’m not in disagreement with you. And yes, feminists pushed and are continuing to push to remove the burden of proof from female victims. You alluded to it earlier with the whole “rape apology” bullshit feminists have concocted to try to shame people away from asking questions. And in answer to your last question, you need to do a lot more research into the history of feminism man. Feminists/suffragettes have been changing laws to better suit their feelings since the mid 1800s. (Which is particu… | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/07/21 10:13 PM |
| 7 | post speaks for itself“When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” It’s not really the fault of any one gender. Feminism and gynocentrism really have a lot to answer for in our societies crippling need to cater to women and all the fears and feelings. Logic and evidence don’t really factor into our collective decision making process at all, and feminist organisations take advantage of that. The average man and average woman are steadily fed a horseshit narrative from infancy about the nature of ou… | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/07/21 10:07 PM |
| 4 | post speaks for itselfNot always, no. There are some women (re: actual victims) who are too traumatised and too fearful of the whole process, and scared of reprisal from their abuser should they find out they went to police. So there are absolutely some female victims who suffer in silence at the hands of their abusers This is truly awful. But the great lie that feminism has sold us is that this phenomenon is gendered. It is not. And on top of that, the male victims who do get the courage to go are more likely than n… | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/07/21 09:56 PM |
| 29 | post speaks for itselfI’m an Australian so I’m not super across the way the American legal system works. Chances are police there won’t prosecute women for the same reason they won’t here: they don’t want to disadvantage women or cause them any suffering/inconvenience. Police won’t prosecute women who make false allegations of sexual assault or rape for similar reasons - they don’t want to disincentivize women in the future from coming forward with their own allegations | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/07/21 10:31 AM |
| 91 | post speaks for itselfYep. This is the real “rape culture”. When a woman is raped? The media explodes, everyone loses their minds, government organisations talk about it as nauseam and review policies to try and better protect other women, and a new wave of anti-male campaigns are slathered across every form of media there is. When a man is raped? Pfft, who cares. Shut up. Don’t talk about it. Hide the evidence. Blame the man for it. | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/07/21 09:34 AM |
| 17 | Why Did These Women Feel So Safe Talking About R*ping Men?Because male sexuality is demonised and diminished, and female sexuality celebrated and pedestalised. When you look at the real world and all the examples of casual sexual assault therein, it becomes pretty clear that if we had to say one sex was generally more inclined to feel entitled to sex… well, it’s not the one feminists would have us believe. | /r/MensRights | 25/07/21 04:12 PM |
| 4 | They finally admitted eh?There’s a reason why the majority of people who held and signed the declaration of sentiments of 1848 (first wave manifesto) were upper class, privileged white women. It’s also of no surprise to anyone (with any kind of higher cognitive function) that the majority of women weren’t on board with first wave feminists and suffragettes back in the day. | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/07/21 05:35 AM |
| 12 | Indian man milked for sperms after Gujarat HC order who was battling covid 19 , dies.Just imagine if a man went through court to get them to order the hospital to harvest his dying 29 year old wife’s eggs without her consent because he wanted to have a baby in some kind of similar “A.R.T.” with her genetics, and won. There’d be candlelit vigils and people marching in the streets. | /r/MensRights | 25/07/21 03:44 AM |
| 1 | Feminism is anti-womenI’m pretty sure most of the icons in the second wave on were mentally ill, or at least suffered a disorder of some sort after experiencing trauma. And yeah, when I say feminism only cares about feminism I mean it only cares about advancing it’s own interests and welfare, through hoarding government money and resources, and amassing more power and influence. It’ll step on anyone it needs to get there. Men first, and then any women who don’t toe their ideological line either. Edit: first wave (dec… | /r/AntiFeminists | 24/07/21 12:02 PM |
| 0 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyI am an MRA mate. It has just occurred to me we’ve done this dance before, and it was a waste of both of our time last time, just as it was this time. Neither of us provided evidence, in case you missed it btw. But just as last time, your steadfast belief in everything is nurture and nature has nothing to do with it stands tall because you refuse to consider any study, any phenomenon that disproves it. So yeah, think it all you want. You’re so blinded by your ideological rage that you can barely… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/21 10:45 AM |
| 0 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyAh, I see. You’re one of those “everything is nurture, there is no nature” types. I wouldn’t be surprised if you also think “male” and “female” are 100% societal constructs and have no roots in biology too. I’m not gonna argue why vaccines work with a petulant anti-vaxxer. You do you mate, keep on turning everything into a discussion about simping, and focus on denying any evidence or science that disagrees with your worldview. Ciao | /r/MensRights | 24/07/21 10:37 AM |
| 0 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyOooh, incendiary language. Often used by the emotionally compromised or those unwilling or unable to substantiate their argument. Male disposability is a concept, not a practice. Slavery is a practice, not a concept. Sad I had to spell it out, but there it is… if you want to disprove male disposability (re: that society can typically better cope with the loss of a typical man rather than a typical woman) as a concept by comparing it to another societal concept you’d have to first compare it to a… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/21 10:09 AM |
| 0 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyThere’s been slaves of all colours throughout various points in history. Further, not every culture employed slavery. False equivalence dear, and doesn’t disprove my point at all. If society is purely and singly built on learned behaviour, why didn’t a single one make women the disposable ones? Why has it unilaterally always been men, all the way back to when humans where confined to small tribes fighting for survival? Use your thinking brain, the one capable of higher cognitive function and rea… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/21 09:43 AM |
| 0 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyExplain to us then how every single society and culture, worldwide, past and present, has evolved to include male disposability? | /r/MensRights | 24/07/21 09:24 AM |
| 0 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyIts roots are biological. It’s a concept heavily covered and explored in evolutionary psychology. The practice of and culture of disregarding men and male humanity is taught, yes, and it can be unlearned with practice. But it does have its roots in biology, just as in every culture and society that has ever existed there has been a need or culture of protecting women. It comes down to collective survival, reproduction, and things related to that. Karen Straughan covers the topic excellently in h… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/21 09:18 AM |
| 48 | The first domestic abuse shelter for men opened in Australia.Yes but he made Jessica do it! /s | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 11:45 PM |
| 6 | Feminism's silence on extremistsElliot Roger also wasn’t an MRA, nor was he involved in any way whatsoever with the MRM. Zero evidence to suggest this guy in Ohio had any affiliation to the MRM. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 11:33 PM |
| 8 | Feminism is anti-womenIt also spends a lot of its rhetoric indoctrinating women to believe they are hapless victims and forever oppressed by men. For all its lip-service about female empowerment, all it really does is create a victimhood culture and mentality in the women who believe that nonsense. There’s nothing empowering about believing you’re an object, not an agent, and a systemically oppressed one. It has also rewritten history and ignores all the powerful and influential women in it, or at least, denies their… | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/07/21 11:00 PM |
| 1 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyYou’re absolutely right. Fewstars doesn’t get this though because he doesn’t see the value (or importance) in integrity - especially in the MRM when going head to head with the juggernaut of feminism. Feminism is an ideology and that ideology deserves to be criticised for all the social, political, and cultural change it affects, especially because it is entirely destructive. Feminist adherents and their actions are the symptoms, not the cause. Put another way, the ideology of feminism is the tr… | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyMost men do too. Male disposability isn’t a trait inherent of women, it’s largely a socialised and biological one inherent to everyone. When you only look at one part of the problem and make assertions based on that; you will misdiagnose the problem which results in developing a flawed or utterly unsuitable solution. Also, generalising in such a way just makes you look like an asshole. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 10:33 PM |
| 5 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyIntegrity as a moral value and action/activism are not mutually exclusive. You don’t need to lack morals and ethics to be active in law and seeking political change. It might not be as immediately successful as all the caterwauling and distinct lack of principles or even coherency from the feminists and woke SJW crowds, but it still can be and has been. But if you think the end justifies the means then you do you buddy. We will not see eye to eye. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 10:04 AM |
| 8 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyIf you don’t know the value of integrity then I can’t help you. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 09:31 AM |
| 6 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell Kidney=/= means does not equal | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 09:31 AM |
| 15 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyThat would be one of those shitty ideologies I mentioned. Feminism is sexist and hateful. Feminism is the problem. Keep your (justified) hatred to that ideology. Feminism =/= women. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 09:24 AM |
| 44 | Working Woman Wants Maintenance From Husband Suffering Cancer; Asks Him To Sell KidneyFucking hell dude, women aren’t the problem. Men aren’t the problem. Shit individuals and shitty ideologies are the problem. Don’t generalise. Be better. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 09:13 AM |
| 2 | "Is it sexist to say “killallmen”?"Though some prominent ones have been trying to suggest something along the lines of “if you don’t call yourself a feminist, you’re sexist by default.” So they do try to align themselves with egalitarianism | /r/MensRights | 23/07/21 02:52 AM |
| 3 | How can level-headed feminists try support men’s rights?Feminism is an ideology. It’s core tenets being the unifying (false) tyrannical regime of the patriarchy, with its theoretical offshoots such as the patriarchal domestic terrorism (duluth model), rape culture, and universal female oppression and subjugation. The MRM isn’t anti-woman, it’s anti-feminism. The reason for this is because feminism is not so much anti-MRM as much as it is anti-man, period. Feminism is responsible for spades of misandry in society, both in the social and cultural conte… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/21 03:42 AM |
| 10 | man opens up about a horrible experience he had, gets told by feminists he's "trolling" and his story is BSNot only do those feminists not have proof it’s fake, they don’t even have precedent, nor justifiable cause. When women lie about being victims rape they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. When men lie about being victims of rape… they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. | /r/AntiFeminists | 20/07/21 05:40 AM |
| 3 | Does anyone else get a rough time for being sexually active?Whether you think you can’t help yourself think that way, or if you think you can help yourself… you’re absolutely right. | /r/MensRights | 20/07/21 05:24 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone else get a rough time for being sexually active?There’s always going to be people with either religious/traditional/ideologically based values who shame or disparage sexually active people. There are men who do it, and there are women who do it. Men and women both are attacked for their promiscuity by both men and women. There are entitled, narcissistic men who believe women should be “chaste”, and if they aren’t, then they are “sluts” (used as a derogatory term) and of lesser value, and become “damaged goods”, but are fine with men being pro… | /r/MensRights | 20/07/21 02:45 AM |
| 11 | Second baby 'dies after circumcision' within weeks in ItalyMale Genital Mutilation flies directly in the face of the Hippocratic Oath. “Primum non nocere.” First, do no harm. But society doesn’t really give a fuck about men or boys so it’s male disposability as per usual. Edit: swapped out the word circumcision for MGM. I refuse to use the clean up word for this atrocious bullshit anymore. | /r/MensRights | 17/07/21 10:45 PM |
| 5 | Am feminist, was looking at this sub and found some genuinely good takesSo what is the justification for the above then? Feminism is responsible for these things that actively discriminate against men. How is that feminism “seeking true equality”? | /r/MensRights | 16/07/21 06:25 AM |
| 4 | Am feminist, was looking at this sub and found some genuinely good takesThen why do the feminist leaders, feminist icons, and feminist rhetoric and text all share the same theme of being intrinsically anti male? | /r/MensRights | 16/07/21 06:20 AM |
| 5 | Can any defenders of the idea that feminism is "nice" explain to me why feminists advocate for genocide of men so often that they've had to shorten the phrase "Kill All Men" to it's initials, "KAM"?Feminism’s consequences are integral to feminism’s being. Feminism is under discussion as malfeasant, and feminist malfeasance cannot be isolated from any idealistic notion of feminism’s essence. No moral quarantining of what feminism is “supposed to be”, from what it actually DOES, is feasible or worth considering. Feminism is an ideology and it is absolutely based on hate. Curious to see how you’ve come to the conclusion that feminism seeks equality. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/21 09:11 PM |
| 34 | Irony Alert. TwoX post bemoans the lost respect women once received to be a stay at home mom. Go to work, hire a day care service, stop tormenting your kids and Pay Your Bills.Yeah that logic doesn’t parse. If men who work in construction shouldn’t complain about the danger because they chose it then the apt analogy would be women shouldn’t complain about the dangers of pregnancy because they chose it. Feminism has long been fighting for the abolition of the nuclear family, and in many cases, marriage altogether. They expanded women’s opportunities into getting into the work force and have spent over 100 years devaluing motherhood. It’s no wonder that feminism started… | /r/MensRights | 14/07/21 09:23 PM |
| 3 | Feminists hysteria is causing problems for both gendersNever forget that feminists always project. Just about every guy I know personally (as well as myself) has been either physically assaulted or verbally abused by a girlfriend/wife if on just one occasion we turn down sex due to being too bloody tired after working a 70 hour week, or just not in the mood. Punched, slapped, drink poured on, food slapped out of hands, shamed, insulted, accused of cheating, turning hysterical and crying and blaming the guy and making it his fault… so on and so forth… | /r/MensRights | 11/07/21 10:08 PM |
| 9 | "Why were women treated so horribly throughout history?"Wooooosh | /r/MensRights | 09/07/21 10:37 PM |
| 1 | DamnPoe’s Law. | /r/AntiFeminists | 07/07/21 01:12 AM |
| 31 | Female economy - who is actually making decisions on how to consume the fruits of labor done by adults in the household.“Women feel vastly underserved.” Why am I not surprised. | /r/MensRights | 05/07/21 11:36 AM |
| 6 | Female reporters in the male locker room. How is this not 100% ILLEGAL?Even a broken clock is right twice a day. | /r/MensRights | 05/07/21 01:10 AM |
| 4 | Clothing industry disenfranchising menYou raise a fair point, but it is exactly the same logic as anyone who debates the political from the stance of the personal. Just because you and I, and other fathers, husbands, or men happen to do the shopping, etc, is not necessarily representative of the whole. This is an important cognitive distortion to be wary of. SJW’s and feminists love to take their personal, small-scale affronts and use them to represent all of society (ie, making the personal political.) | /r/MensRights | 01/07/21 02:21 PM |
| 10 | Clothing industry disenfranchising menThanks mate! And as an aside… wow. I’m already very firmly in the anti feminist camp but fucking really? The burden of spending money is an injustice? How exactly are feminists meant to never be oppressed…? The mind boggles | /r/MensRights | 01/07/21 12:28 PM |
| 19 | Clothing industry disenfranchising menThe majority of consumer spending is done by women, something in the realm of 70% (don’t quote me on this, I vaguely remember the figure from a study I didn’t save. I’m sure someone else on this sub has it handy though.) Business is as business does. If the majority of consumers and their profits come from women spending money (regardless of where they get that money from…) of course they will cater to that market first and foremost. | /r/MensRights | 01/07/21 12:06 PM |
| 1 | r/femaledatingstratpros is satire....Whatever helps you sleep at night. | /r/AntiFeminists | 30/06/21 01:36 PM |
| 3 | The difference is that women actually ARE entitled to what they feel entitled toIt’s classic feminist projection | /r/MensRights | 29/06/21 11:43 AM |
| 1 | Bow down to the kween 🤣🤣.Everyone, please. Poe’s Law. | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/06/21 12:53 AM |
| 5 | r/femaledatingstratpros is satire....It’s a perfect example of Poe’s Law in action. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law | /r/AntiFeminists | 25/06/21 03:08 PM |
| 1 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.from my perspective, you found a post that irritated you, and then you ranted about it elsewhere, I made it clear that the post itself is not what I was quote "ranting" about. Evidence of this is in the title of my opening post itself: "Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated." Further, I comment; "It's… | /r/MensRights | 24/06/21 07:48 AM |
| 1 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.Disagree, firmly. If you’re willing to engage; Id like to understand your reasoning as to how you came to the conclusion that my description of her experience as anecdotal is evidence of me derailing when the whole point of my post is to illuminate how feminist attitudes (which are both the causal factor in her beliefs and also propagating it) foster androphobia and misandry. She used her own personal experience and made it political. This phenomenon is often referred to, in a somewhat titular f… | /r/MensRights | 24/06/21 06:12 AM |
| 1 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.It appears that you’ve misinterpreted the point of my main post and subsequent commentary. Please, read it again with a critical eye. I even state, explicitly no less, my intent of my post towards the end of it. | /r/MensRights | 24/06/21 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.Where did I disagree with any of the sentiments you describe? Further, where did I make any of those sentiments the point of my commentary? | /r/MensRights | 24/06/21 05:27 AM |
| 3 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.I hate that it took me fives times longer than the time it took me to wise up about Santa, that “nice real feminists” were a myth. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/21 09:37 PM |
| 6 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.Feminism is an ideology. I’m not interested in redeeming individual feminists. I’m interested in dismantling Feminism and it’s bullshit theories, such as the unifying (false) regime of the patriarchy and its offshoots like male privilege, female oppression and subjugation, patriarchal domestic terrorism (duluth model) and rape culture. If there are some self proclaimed feminists who don’t subscribe to these theories, then they are largely not the people in discussion here, as I would argue that … | /r/MensRights | 21/06/21 09:25 PM |
| 2 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.Well said. You’re absolutely right. It is no small source of frustration/exasperation for me too. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/21 09:20 PM |
| 4 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.See now I know what “non” means, and I know what “sexist” means, and “feminist”…. But you say these words in an order that makes no sense. Lol. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/21 09:17 PM |
| 30 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.That's from Dr Warren Farrell. Very wise man. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/21 02:44 PM |
| 2 | FSW could you please follow your own rules?If I ever got a for-real genie wish; I'd love to merge the feminist subreddit with (if it/one exists, I don't know if it/one does but to be fair I've never looked for it) a dedicated "misogyny" subreddit, HOWEVER, all the terminology in the "misogyny" subreddit is adjusted so the genders are reversed. My second wish would be for an everlasting supply of popcorn whilst I watched all the feminists continue on as per normal. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 21/06/21 02:21 PM |
| 65 | Feminism breeds androphobia and misandry. Always has, always will. Perhaps most importantly is that these feminist attitudes aren't "radical". They are normal. They are accepted without challenge or skepticism. They are even celebrated.2X Deconstruction, the post you can see in the second link provided in the opening post. This immediately cuts out the creepers - I've definitely had some drivers who honestly seemed to be aiming to pick up drunk girls. I've had drivers try to hug me, get my number, clarify which house/apartment number was mine, etc. Best case scenario that's anecdotal. I have no doubt that if she truly felt the driver was doing anything out of line she would have been in contact with the company and had sexual … | /r/MensRights | 21/06/21 02:07 PM |
| 4 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.A bit of column a, a bit of column b. Fatherhood is a choice (though less of one compared to motherhood.) However, many fathers get the their children taken away from them by exploitative/manipulative/narcissistic mothers, and in many cases can at best hope to be visitors. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 10:11 PM |
| 2 | Feminists have taken the word "man" out of everything except for gunman.This entire idea is poorly formulated. Perhaps even a red herring. History is the record of notable achievements and or events in which people made big or notable moves in changing the world, of which military history is only a fraction. History has more than its share of influential/noteworthy women. Sappho, Boudicca, Hildegard, Eleanor of Aquitaine, Joan of Arc, St Teresa, Elizabeth the first, Catherine the Great, Mary Wollstonecraft, Jane Austen, Florence Nightingale, Queen Victoria, Clara Ba… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 09:51 PM |
| 5 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.What a bizarre take. You’ve somehow managed to take the article, which indicates that men do better with family interaction, with their children, with focussing less on work and more on their family, and that the increased focus on family time at the binary reduction of work focus improves a mans likelihood of wanting to stay alive… And somehow reduce it and pretzel it to minimise mens humanity, mens compassion and love, mens familial role, mens role as a father? Are you a feminist or do you jus… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 04:36 PM |
| 9 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.Stupid statements deserve stupid responses. You know how it is | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 03:56 PM |
| 7 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.The only one bringing up the absurd idea that men should become fathers to “stave off” suicide is you. It wasn’t implied in my post, or any of my comments, or any other comments from others. Just yours. You’re due a reality check mate. Stop projecting. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 03:54 PM |
| 11 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.If that's what you got from this, then you should probably start with reading some stuff a little less cognitively challenging and build yourself up. Might I suggest these. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 03:38 PM |
| 8 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.I'll acknowledge that it seems we have both potentially misinterpreted the term "dependent adult", which could just as easily mean an adult dependent (ie, a teenager or young adult that was "failing to launch") as it could an older family member that was physically dependent on youthful descendants. Even were I to graciously grant you the point in the absence of the interpretation I provided above, it is hardly the slam-dunk that you might think it is. Even in your scenario, it further proves th… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 03:35 PM |
| 36 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.This is important. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 03:19 PM |
| 11 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.No truer words have ever been spoken. Your son is a lucky man in making. Much love T.D. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 03:19 PM |
| 14 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.I mean, your misrepresentation aside, you’ve clearly misread the article (yes, I’ve read it to). Either that or you’re referring to external information that I haven’t seen to substantiate your position. In which case, I’d like to see it please. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 03:15 PM |
| 10 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.For what it’s worth, thank you. Gotta keep going. Gotta keep fighting. If there is even a single day in the future where my son needs me then I refuse to throw in the towel. It’s just what dads do. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 03:06 PM |
| 17 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.I’m curious, how does your brain separate the idea of being an “involved parent” from literally everything you described? I’m a dad. My life and “involved parenthood” would be much more enriched by being able to do literally everything you described. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 03:04 PM |
| 19 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.We started as two early-mid 20’s adults. I was ex military, great job prospects, great skillset and qualifications. She was a pub bartender. I worked harder at her request so she could stop working and get a University degree in animal studies I worked harder still at her request to give her the house she wanted. The furniture she wanted. She enjoyed the polygamous lifestyle whilst I worked in excess of 70 hours a week. She fell pregnant. Everything was going great. The few hours I had at home I… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 02:46 PM |
| 9 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.Whilst I can understand the idea behind MGTOW philosophy (at least, as I understand it), I agree. A part of me feels sympathy. Some of the most beautiful and amazing things a man can know or experience don't happen in a gender-vacuum. For me, it was my son's hand or ear seeking my heartbeat before he would fall asleep on my chest. Nothing settled him better. Fuck, I miss him so much. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 02:23 PM |
| 18 | TL,DR: Men, especially fathers, tend to want to die less often when they get to be active fathers, participate in the lives of their children, etc. Surprise surprise, men are people too and love their children.From one father to another, I feel you. Much love man. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 02:05 PM |
| 4 | Feminists have taken the word "man" out of everything except for gunman.The discussion around gender representation in STEM fields is a source of contention and is currently a classic example of feminist cherry-picking. When you include areas like Biology (and others), the gender representation flips on its head. Why then the narrowed delineation of STEM? Because of money. As ever, feminists prove that they don't really care about equal representation, they care about the wealth and welfare of women by imposing poverty and impoverishment on men. Just more evidence t… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 01:06 PM |
| 2 | Feminists have taken the word "man" out of everything except for gunman.Correct me if I'm wrong. What you are saying is academic knowledge doesn't translate to real world problem solving, is that right? It wasn't what I was trying to say but I do agree with you! It's my understanding that there are multiple different kinds of intelligence. Some of the ones off the top of my head include (but are not limited to) emotional, social, academic, practical, etc. The point I was attempting to make was that when you prompt a feminist for anything that proves their theories (… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 12:07 PM |
| 4 | Feminists have taken the word "man" out of everything except for gunman.They are good at thinking that they are awesome at research. They are great at thinking they are awesome at everything, except at being agents or being responsible for their own choices. In reality they just piggy back on ideas of guys and run around saying it's their idea! Not quite. Feminism (as an ideology) relies on academia, not science. Now, academic thought and science can get along, and when they do everything is improved. However, when academic literature does not only fail to get along… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 11:58 AM |
| 3 | Feminists have taken the word "man" out of everything except for gunman.Wow did we date the same person? Jokes aside, I understand. And I think your explanation neatly gives me a way to define what we both agree on. People who prioritise the importance of words to seek greater understanding and improve dialogue are doing the right thing. People who prioritise the importance of words to silence others, to create division, or to otherwise use as a tool in direct opposition to seeking understanding and to undermine others are… well, total cunts. Edit; clarity | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 10:41 AM |
| 19 | Feminists have taken the word "man" out of everything except for gunman.Hmmm, I’m one who believes in speaking with thought and deliberately. Part of this entails being very specific with choice of words, and also listening intently to the person I’m communicating with. In that sense, I believe very strongly that words do matter. In my experience, most of the breakdowns in relationships I’ve seen or experienced in the past start with a breakdown in communication, which might certainly back up my position on the value of clear and honest communication. That being sai… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 10:03 AM |
| 34 | Feminists have taken the word "man" out of everything except for gunman.This is why you’ll see some feminists using the word womxn instead. Even though ‘man’ and ‘woman’ have different etymologies and aren’t related in the way feminists like to bitch about. But, feminists were never good at research, especially unbiased research. In other news; 1+1=2 | /r/MensRights | 19/06/21 09:30 AM |
| 14 | I just joined a few days ago, why does it say that I might not be allowed in other subs if I post or comment in here?I’m pro human rights for men and women, and I’m pro equality of opportunity for men and women. I first and foremost espouse egalitarian values. This is why I’m anti-feminism. Because Feminism as an ideology (and the theories it promulgates) are inherently anti egalitarian. Many people make the mistake of conflating women’s rights advocacy or activism with the ideology of feminism. They are not the same thing. | /r/MensRights | 15/06/21 11:57 AM |
| 22 | I just joined a few days ago, why does it say that I might not be allowed in other subs if I post or comment in here?Feminism was never about equal rights. Even with the suffragettes pursuing the vote for women, they wanted the privilege without the responsibility of the draft or civil obligations. In very real terms, men had to purchase their right to vote, and women did not. Feminism only sought “equality” in rights, privileges for women, and actively fought against (and still fights against) any form of accountability or obligation being placed on women. | /r/MensRights | 15/06/21 06:21 AM |
| 2 | Why is male genital mutilation a forbidden subject in a lot of subs like it's no more than annoying background noise?This is the study to which I’m referring when I talk about the in-group vs out-group bias discrepancy for anyone reading along. https://rutgerssocialcognitionlab.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/9/7/13979590/rudmangoodwin2004jpsp.pdf | /r/MensRights | 13/06/21 10:01 PM |
| 18 | Feminism stops as the anti-male radicalisation continues.What I learned in school: how to memorise passages of text by rote, how my critical and inquisitive mind wasn't rewarded in class and that I needed to pursue that part of myself in my own time outside of school, how meaningless "homework" was, how the same work word-for-word would net my female peers a higher grade than my own, how I needed to prioritise the needs of others over my own, how my intellectual acumen even at a young age was the result of "male privilege". What feminists learned in s… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 13/06/21 04:06 PM |
| 4 | Why is male genital mutilation a forbidden subject in a lot of subs like it's no more than annoying background noise?The response of your acquaintance to the topic of MGM is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance and a related phenomenon known as “belief persistence” in action. What is quite evident is that she experienced cognitive dissonance on a subconscious level, at least. Likely, it may have been a conscious level, but there is no way for me to know. What we observed however, based on your recount, is she attempted to minimise or divert the reality of the crime in three ways. 1) Her husband wasn’t har… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/21 02:41 PM |
| 5 | Why is male genital mutilation a forbidden subject in a lot of subs like it's no more than annoying background noise?You’re absolutely right. I was going to add to my above commentary the concepts of male and female in-group biases [of which studies have shown that; 1) men lack an in group awareness, 2) women possess an in group awareness and pro-bias, and 3) both men and women possess a pro-women bias], as well as the concept of male disposability and gynocentrism, but I was worried that my response would be too long. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/21 02:29 PM |
| 1 | Why is male genital mutilation a forbidden subject in a lot of subs like it's no more than annoying background noise?Hey, to be fair, you’re absolutely right and it’s not pedantic in a negative sense to call me out on my use of words. Words are important, deliberate terminology is important, and often the devil is in the details. So thank you for bringing this to my attention. When I use the term “media” I personally mean any and all “information” that is observed through television, radio, music, news, billboards, tv shows, or other. Essentially, I use the term “media” as a stand in for a term I don’t yet hav… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/21 02:22 PM |
| 9 | Why is male genital mutilation a forbidden subject in a lot of subs like it's no more than annoying background noise?Feminism was never really useful to anyone other than privileged upper class white women circa 1848 (re: Declaration of Sentiments, Seneca Falls.) Feminist propaganda has rewritten history, ever since its inception, and I categorically will never support the notion feminism as an ideology, or the feminist movement, was based on seeking or achieving equality between the sexes - because it was only ever and still is focussed on advancing women’s entitlements and privileges (and protecting them) an… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/21 10:55 AM |
| 39 | Why is male genital mutilation a forbidden subject in a lot of subs like it's no more than annoying background noise?It really comes down to the societal hive mind or “zeitgeist”, how it is effectively taught to individuals by the media and how the subjects and ideas therein are limited to what is within the Overton Window. From Wikipedia: The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time.[1] It is also known as the window of discourse. The term is named after American policy analyst Joseph P. Overton, who stated that an idea's political viability d… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/21 10:16 AM |
| 11 | Lily Ridgeway found not guilty of murder over stabbing death of Jason Adams at Raymond Terrace - jury couldn’t rule out the possibility of victim “walking himself onto the knife”Beyond that, she would have to be holding the knife at the exact right angle for it to slide between the ribs without getting lodged in the bone. It would require a very steady hand and no small amount of force coming from her. Heck, by their logic, if I stood out the front of my house punching the air on my sidewalk, and someone happened to walk into my punches, and then continued to stand there whilst I continued “punching the air” in front of me that they happened to occupy until they died of… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/21 10:19 AM |
| 20 | Lily Ridgeway found not guilty of murder over stabbing death of Jason Adams at Raymond Terrace - jury couldn’t rule out the possibility of victim “walking himself onto the knife”The lengths people will go to protect women from the consequences of their own actions baffles me. The rationalisation hamster is spinning its wheel at super sonic speeds. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/21 04:15 AM |
| 5 | Is Prince Harry a good role model for Men?Wow. No words. | /r/MensRights | 10/06/21 07:58 AM |
| 5 | Is Prince Harry a good role model for Men?The fuck do they have to complain about? Wealth-privilege is likely the most significant form of privilege that currently exists. | /r/MensRights | 10/06/21 07:53 AM |
| 10 | Is Prince Harry a good role model for Men?I don’t really follow the royalty in the UK, is someone willing to give me a 25-words-or-less summary of why so much media attention is on them? Edit: please*** | /r/MensRights | 10/06/21 07:39 AM |
| 16 | Supreme Court refuses to hear case that male-only military draft is sex-based discrimination; feminists who 'help men' silentWouldn’t expect you to mate, I certainly didn’t know the nuts and bolts of it before I served. The consensus amongst regular diggers like myself was; “girls want to serve in combat roles too? Fine. But only if they pass the same fitness, strength, and endurance tests we have to.” Problem was they couldn’t. Military is perhaps one of the best ways to demonstrate why a meritocracy, and equality of opportunity, is the only morally sound and reasonable policy (as opposed to gendered equity and affir… | /r/MensRights | 07/06/21 04:40 PM |
| 18 | Supreme Court refuses to hear case that male-only military draft is sex-based discrimination; feminists who 'help men' silentIt’s very simple actually. Australian army vets everyone on a basic fitness level (which is extremely basic.). Because everyone in the army is a soldier first, and then their enlisted role second. Then every role has ECN specific fitness requirements which are deemed as the bare minimum to operate that role. That means every soldier, whether cook, clerk, gunner, infantrymen, VM, etc needs to first meet the basic fitness test to be a basic soldier and be AIRN compliant. Then, a gunner has to meet… | /r/MensRights | 07/06/21 04:25 PM |
| 9 | No way women can claim unfairness in medical world. Let's try!Clearly not ours, lol | /r/MensRights | 07/06/21 08:36 AM |
| 15 | Gendercide (Androcide) where boys and men are killed for being boys and men - is rising, yet feminists still say "misandry doesn't kill" "kill all men" etc when the opposite is true.He also conveniently leaves out how many men might have very well been raped or sodomized before their murder/execution, which is common in high conflict areas such as specific parts of Africa, not least of which includes the Eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC, formerly known as Zaire) which has experienced continued violence and civil conflict for more than a decade as of 2010, and is routinely listed as the site of one of the world's worst humanitarian crises. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/21 01:58 AM |
| 3 | Get Society ListeningIt might be wise to make sure you credit "TheTinMen", it's just one guy doing amazing work on Instagram. He even started a podcast, it's only got one episode thus far but it is an interview with Erin Pizzey. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/21 01:44 AM |
| 2 | Get Society ListeningThis post by TheTinMen needs to go viral during Movember particularly. If I have to listen to another month-long tirade of lip service from society about how "MeN nEeD tO lEaRn HoW tO cRy" or god forbid "tOxIc MaScUlInItY" I might just lose my mind. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/21 01:40 AM |
| 4 | I found this on someone's IG bio. It describes feminism so accurately..Alright, well, if you think the core concepts of the OG feminism had any credibility... have we got news for you. Check out the Declaration of Sentiments, Seneca Falls, 1848. Penned by a group of mostly privileged white upper-class women at the first women's rights convention that was organised by women. From the opening statements: The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyr… | /r/AntiFeminists | 07/06/21 12:44 AM |
| 35 | Men are not afraid of women laughing at them. Men are increasingly afraid feminists ideology is leading to policies that is slowly killing them.If feminists are so petrified of the “tyranny” of men, and think all men are violent, rapey, oppressive bastards, it really baffles me how they feel so threatened by the MGTOW movement, lol. Also, if these are their opinions of men, I can’t fathom why they would even want relationships with them. Except the second men do turn their backs, or now that women are finding it harder to land their ideal partner, the feminists turn around and cry from the rooftops; where have the good men gone? Boo fuc… | /r/MensRights | 06/06/21 12:52 PM |
| 2 | Pediatrician and circumcision researcher Robert S Van Howe thoroughly and intelligently destroys the pro-circumcision stance one argument at a time.That is seriously fucking gross. It amazes me that there are people out there so obsessed with defending male genital mutilation, even in the face of all the evidence proving it to not be helpful, and it being extremely harmful, even in the face of the lack of morality in denying a helpless infant bodily autonomy. Really fucking creepy. That mushroom dude has issues. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/21 12:30 PM |
| 7 | Obviously discussing class is essential, but feminists use this as a way to say men have no issues, and IMMEDIATELY STOP DISCUSSING MENS ISSUES, STOP IT, MY FUNDING AND GRAVY TRAIN IS AT RISKWow that article is a classic example of more feminist gaslighting. Edit: The author even danced hilariously close to self awareness in one section, here: “Why do people believe it if it’s not true? Because people are irrational. One of the ways I know this is true because there’s an entire book written about it. An example of how we act irrationally is called diagnosis bias. A particularly fascinating study showed that the smallest change in the way you describe someone can completely alter the… | /r/MensRights | 06/06/21 11:34 AM |
| 10 | Hey, feminist hereGreat sentiments. What’s your stance on feminist patriarchy theory? Further, what are your thoughts on feminist scholars and icons including; Valerie Solanas, Ti-Grace Atkinson, Mary P Koss, Robin Morgan, Andrea Dworkin, Sheila Jeffrys, Susan Brown-Miller, Sheila Cronin, and or Sally Miller Gearhart? | /r/MensRights | 06/06/21 04:33 AM |
| 3 | FSW Incels on a random community are a threat to women everywhere, but blue checks on Twitter saying men should die mean nothing.What a fucking psychopath. | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 06/06/21 03:59 AM |
| 6 | “The Rules of Misogyny” answered and debunkedThe real irony is that if you flip the genders in the linked post it is almost perfectly aligned with feminist theories and actions. Sargon’s Law in full effect here. Never forget that feminists project. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/21 12:03 AM |
| 7 | Several generations of feminism has convinced too many women that a crime isn’t a crime when committed by a woman, that emotions are labor and that men don’t need similar rights.Better pour yourself a double of whisky because feminists are already pushing that idea. https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/05/patriarchy-causes-climate-change/ | /r/MensRights | 31/05/21 06:21 AM |
| 9 | Men, if you find youth attractive you're a pedo! Women, if you find older men attractive... well, that's okayYeah nah, quite happy for you to stay away from me forever. Whether or not you’re actually an adult or not, until you decide to act like one I want nothing to do with you. Bye now | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 04:04 PM |
| 5 | Men, if you find youth attractive you're a pedo! Women, if you find older men attractive... well, that's okayOkay, lol, bye then. Go live in your echo chamber. The adults will be conversing as adults over here when you’re ready to grow up and join adult conversation. | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 03:57 PM |
| 4 | Men, if you find youth attractive you're a pedo! Women, if you find older men attractive... well, that's okayLet’s clear this up for you then if you’re going to die on the semantic hill. U/LofiGai did you mean that men who find children or teenagers attractive you’re a pedo? Or did you mean that men who find youthful attributes (such as clear skin, physical attributes that correlate to high estrogen levels, physical health and vitality) as “pedo”? | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 03:53 PM |
| 10 | Men, if you find youth attractive you're a pedo! Women, if you find older men attractive... well, that's okaySemantically, sure. But if you lack the insight to realise that the OP is criticising the double standard of the 2X OP in the linked thread, then I can’t help you. | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 03:49 PM |
| 9 | Men, if you find youth attractive you're a pedo! Women, if you find older men attractive... well, that's okayWhere did I attack you? Where did I criticise you because you are a woman? Up until you told me just now i couldn’t have known you were a woman? Youthful attributes exist and they exist beyond adulthood. Are you denying that? | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 03:45 PM |
| 10 | Men, if you find youth attractive you're a pedo! Women, if you find older men attractive... well, that's okayYouth exists as a descriptive term not just a noun. Try again. | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 03:43 PM |
| 18 | Men, if you find youth attractive you're a pedo! Women, if you find older men attractive... well, that's okayHoly gaslighting Batman. Youthful features exist beyond teenage and young adult years, indeed, youthful features extend well into the late 20s, even early to mid 30s. If physical attributes that accentuate youthful characteristics are so taboo then why is the majority of female attractiveness and efforts to be perceived as attractive are so tied to enhancing attributes that correlate to high estrogen levels, vitality, child rearing capabilities and youth? Dying hair to hide grays, anti wrinkle c… | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 03:36 PM |
| 8 | Men, if you find youth attractive you're a pedo! Women, if you find older men attractive... well, that's okayI went to write a big comment on this but my views on this are effectively and sufficiently summed up by Karen Straughan (u/girlwriteswhat) Here’s the video: https://youtu.be/d-N9daqANcw | /r/MensRights | 27/05/21 02:45 PM |
| 2 | At least 59 people upvoted this comment about child supportI agree, the video is just a morbid slice of our reality where women often get a pass on awful shit, and the same stuff lands men in prison for life. | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Using Simple GesturesI NEVER said that she was justified. True. But your actions accommodated her irrational fear. Your actions, in that instance, "justified'" (ie, by definition; having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate reason) her fearful response by legitimising it as anything other than something irrational. This is a method to avoid false claims which are inherently not justified as well as unnecessary stressors. Please clarify? What is? If your are woman I apologize if my scenario offended you My ge… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 01:03 PM |
| 1 | Using Simple GesturesYou are missing my point. She could have shown 50, 500, or 5000 signs of discomfort. Why are they justified? Unless you believe men are inherently predatory and women inherently predated upon? I posited the -exact same scenario- as you in you opening post, but with race the primary factor rather than gender, as an attempt to illuminate the blatant sexism by virtue of reframing it as racism by changing only a few select words. This was an attempt to enlighten you to your own passive discriminator… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 11:26 AM |
| 2 | Using Simple GesturesYou’re the one suggesting a behavioural change as a solution to a perceived social problem. The onus is on you to justify it. The primary criticism is that your proposed solution is discriminatory, and further, doesn’t do anything to actually solve the problem, rather it seems to be a response which is intended to alleviate it. I posited an analogous situation based on racial discrimination, rather than sexual discrimination, based almost word for word on your original scenario. So no, my though… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 11:09 AM |
| 1 | At least 59 people upvoted this comment about child supportOkay, satirical. Thank goodness | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 09:25 AM |
| 2 | At least 59 people upvoted this comment about child supportIs this a serious question? | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 09:03 AM |
| 2 | At least 59 people upvoted this comment about child supporthttps://youtu.be/5CNHwhHWPoQ | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 09:01 AM |
| 4 | At least 59 people upvoted this comment about child supportThank you for engaging respectfully and honestly. I can accept my response was terse and borderline inappropriate, The fact remains that it is a real issue that shouldn't be discounted by a % point. There's no need to apologise for your tone, perceived or otherwise. If you have a stance, then voice it. If people need to attack your tone rather than your argument then they aren't arguing your points. That being said, this presumption of fairness should only exist in intellectually honest conversa… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 06:56 AM |
| 5 | At least 59 people upvoted this comment about child supportSuggesting that one citation is inaccurate or false is proof that the other citation is a logical fallacy. It might be referred to as a false equivalency. Example: John: The ocean is blue because water absorbs colors in the red part of the light spectrum. Like a filter, this leaves behind colors in the blue part of the light spectrum for us to see. The ocean may also take on green, red, or other hues as light bounces off of floating sediments and particles in the water. Most of the ocean, howeve… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 05:49 AM |
| 3 | Using Simple GesturesUsing Simple Gestures Yesterday during lunch, I (a black person) noticed I was missing a few key ingredients to a recipe. I grabbed my keys and headed out the door. As I came outside there was a white person walking her dog on the sidewalk. As soon as that white person saw me step on the sidewalk, she immediately turned around and being to walk the other way. Now unbeknownst to her, my car was in the same direction that she was walking. As she was walking I noticed she kept looking back at me ov… | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 05:08 AM |
| 2 | men's issues only matter when it affects other women.When did I mention men or women? That would be the case if I was trying to pass off a made up statistic as something true. In reality it’s just hyperbole, and rather charitable hyperbole at that. | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 04:13 AM |
| 5 | Using Simple GesturesEntertaining and accomodating androphobia is not the answer. | /r/MensRights | 26/05/21 01:35 AM |
| 6 | “A man in a room full of women is excited a woman in a room full of men is terrified.”To be fair, whilst I saw this kind of behaviour more frequently in women than I did men (and these observations are fairly consistent with other bar managers in my peer group), the unifying attribute that predicts this behaviour was not gender, it was an attitude of entitlement. And whilst what I talked about above is really shitty behaviour, the majority of people both men and women didn’t behave that way. The bad performers of any group were usually few in number, sometimes as few as one to tw… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 09:57 PM |
| 3 | “A man in a room full of women is excited a woman in a room full of men is terrified.”Oh that would have been a hard read. And I agree, real friends don’t encourage their people to do horrible things. And if anyone, man or woman, feels the need to be a complete scumbag or slut for their bachelor/bachelorette party, then they should not be getting married (obviously the rules are different for polyamorous relationships and the like, but I’m speaking generally about a typical monogamous one.) | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 12:06 PM |
| 11 | men's issues only matter when it affects other women.Yeah, the toxic aspects of feminism make the remaining 5% look bad. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 11:56 AM |
| 17 | “A man in a room full of women is excited a woman in a room full of men is terrified.”Sorry, I should have been more clear with the way I wrote my above comment. The way I intended it was for bachelor / bachelorette to be representative of the group of men at a bachelor party and women at a bachelorette party respectively. Just to clear up the confusion, it was typically the friends of the actual bachelor or bachelorette being highly inappropriate. I only remember seeing one actual bachelor being a total scumbag, though on a couple of occasions the bachelorette (particularly if i… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 11:46 AM |
| 30 | “A man in a room full of women is excited a woman in a room full of men is terrified.”Agreed, and how much feminism takes it for granted (seats on lifeboats) or pretends it doesn’t exist. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 06:55 AM |
| 59 | “A man in a room full of women is excited a woman in a room full of men is terrified.”I’ve worked in high end hospitality for nearly a decade now, and have managed many people in bar crews / FOH crews, a fairly even split of men and women. Through this time, I have managed many private functions, including both bachelor and bachelorette parties. And you’re absolutely right to be very worried. My observations of bachelorette parties; Consistently, my male staff would become more nervous and reserved as the bachelorettes became drunker and rowdier, to the point where they didn’t wa… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 06:46 AM |
| 8 | Deer men, if a girl says she's been raped, stay away.Also, here's a good piece about how feminists employ gaslighting against the MRM. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 05:33 AM |
| 10 | Deer men, if a girl says she's been raped, stay away.I appreciate the concern... recovery has been a long process, and I've still got a way to go. It doesn't help that through a now 3-year battle to try to get access to my son with her she is still abusing me. My physical and mental health was in absolute shambles for a long time as a result, self-esteem was completely shattered, and in pretty much every professional and platonic relationship since I've suffered impostor syndrome (feeling like I shouldn't be there or don't deserve to be there). I'… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 05:21 AM |
| 2 | Believe all Women.Yeah, it's something that should be talked about more. Here's an article on it for any observers who are curious about MSBP (Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy). Whilst it is something that can be performed by any carer, it is primarily committed by women. As with all forms of abuse, the biggest predictor of it is having been a victim of it yourself, usually during childhood. If you're an alienated father reading this, and your abusive ex-wife has primary or full custody of your kid, you need to be aw… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 04:42 AM |
| 29 | Deer men, if a girl says she's been raped, stay away.Here is a good article on it. It's a horrible manipulative and abusive tactic that can be employed by anyone, whether romantic partner, family member, "friend", or employer/coworker. It is potentially the most destructive and insidious in the context of romantic relationships as it is often coupled with other forms of domestic and psychological abuse. Some appropriate quotes from the linked article if you don't wish to read the whole thing: Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse where a pe… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/21 04:26 AM |
| 1 | Thought experiment: **If** the MRM were to be based on an ideology, in which the dictionary defines it analogously to the dictionary definition of feminism, how do you expect feminists might criticise Men’s Rights Activists?I never suggested it would, I intended this post to be a thought experiment in which feminist hypocrisy would be exposed (even more than it already is to those of us aware). It’s becoming increasingly evident that this thought experiment was ultimately a waste of time. My idea was to look to see how feminists would discredit themselves within their own logic. If feminists were forced to compete intellectually with an opposing ideology which also shared a dictionary definition for “equality”, the… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/21 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Thought experiment: **If** the MRM were to be based on an ideology, in which the dictionary defines it analogously to the dictionary definition of feminism, how do you expect feminists might criticise Men’s Rights Activists?Yes, agreed... That’s part of the purpose of this thought experiment. It seems fairly evident to me that when we take away the most common defence of everyday-feminists or coffee-shop-feminists (“dIcatiOnArY dEfInItIoN”), then for all of their criticisms they attempt after that, all of them can be readily debunked or at least shine a glaring light on their own hypocrisy. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/21 10:58 AM |
| 1 | Thought experiment: **If** the MRM were to be based on an ideology, in which the dictionary defines it analogously to the dictionary definition of feminism, how do you expect feminists might criticise Men’s Rights Activists?Disclaimer: I know the MRM isn’t based on an ideology, nor do I want it to be. The purpose of this thought experiment is to remove the “dictionary definition” defence used by intellectually dishonest feminists as a tool of deflection and see what criticisms and arguments arise. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/21 10:49 AM |
| 1 | Thought experiment: **If** the MRM were to be based on an ideology, in which the dictionary defines it analogously to the dictionary definition of feminism, how do you expect feminists might criticise Men’s Rights Activists?For sure, yes. In the “thought experiment” I posited in my OP, the theoretical “MRM Ideology” would be based on all the current MRM talking points but also possess a dictionary definition analogous to feminism, being that: Belief in or advocacy of men’s social, political, and economic rights, especially with regard to equality of the sexes. Yes, even then it wouldn’t technically be an ideology as it lacks a theoretical framework. The purpose of the thought experiment is to remove the “dictionary… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/21 10:42 AM |
| 2 | Thought experiment: **If** the MRM were to be based on an ideology, in which the dictionary defines it analogously to the dictionary definition of feminism, how do you expect feminists might criticise Men’s Rights Activists?Yes, fully aware that you can’t equivocate the MRM to Feminism. They are fundamentally different in their approach, as feminism is ideology based and the MRM isn’t. The question is merely a thought experiment. Maybe I could re-do it as if the dictionary definition of the MRM is the analogous to the dictionary definition of feminism so it doesn’t confuse anyone | /r/MensRights | 24/05/21 10:38 AM |
| 1 | Feminist cast out of “sisterhood” for wanting to discuss female pedophilesWRA = women’s rights activist. The feminist movement has been quite successful (in its arrogance and dishonesty) to convince everyone that all women’s rights activists are feminists. Feminist doesn’t hold the monopoly on women’s rights activism, because there are WRA’s who are working on women’s rights and, funnily enough, MRA’s advocate for women’s rights as well. The right to be held equally accountable under the law, both in criminal and family court comes to mind. The difference is that femi… | /r/AntiFeminists | 24/05/21 02:27 AM |
| 1 | Feminist cast out of “sisterhood” for wanting to discuss female pedophilesPatriarchy Theory and its theoretical offshoots are axiomatic to feminism as an ideology, and therefore, activists who don’t subscribe to patriarchy theory are not true feminists. Patriarchy theory is a completely bunk idea which has no basis in reality, and yet the feminists who believe in it will fight tooth and nail to avoid criticism of their ideology, and the theories they most zealously guard from scrutiny are the theories which make the hatred and vilification of men morally justifiable. … | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/21 08:28 AM |
| 1 | Feminist cast out of “sisterhood” for wanting to discuss female pedophilesLike Mary P Koss? The professor who defined men out of rape laws? She was pretty learned and academic. | /r/AntiFeminists | 23/05/21 08:06 AM |
| 12 | FSW a feminist who talks about the reality of female pedophiles is shunned and cast out of the “sisterhood”, and when feminist protestors disrupt a conference on the subject.Absolutely. The ideology of Feminism is predicated on all-men-bad and all-women-victims. Feminism can’t allow discussion about male victims or female perpetrators because it counters their narrative. The only times you will ever see male issues recognised, through gritted teeth no less, by feminists, is if they can reframe them as primarily women’s issues first. To this day I’m still waiting on a feminist who is willing to leave her echo chamber and debate me on things like this (without resorti… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 22/05/21 05:33 PM |
| 12 | FSW men wanting sex is bad, because [word salad]I’m curious, do feminists define Only Fans as female empowerment or more evidence of “the patriarchy”? Are women who monetise their sexuality of their own free will, their own volition, and their own choice “victims” of “the patriarchy? The mind boggles. Whilst i understand (intellectually) how the feminist narrative survives despite its self defeating rationalisations, it still baffles me how people believe feminism is about female empowerment when it is entirely predicated on classing women as… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 22/05/21 05:13 PM |
| 5 | The Sentencing Gap – Do Women Get Lighter Prison Sentences Than Men?This is something conspicuously absent from feminist discussion or activism. In fact, it has been recognised that some feminist groups are advocating for even further leniency for female criminals. I’m still in the process of formulating an opinion on something related to this, and would absolutely appreciate input from others, (especially people reading this that identify as a feminist!). So, the theory is as follows (that I’m still ruminating on and am not committed to yet, just to be clear) p… | /r/MensRights | 22/05/21 03:31 PM |
| 11 | Why do feminist pretend they care about men too?If feminist patriarchy theory hurts men as well as women then that entire postulation is self defeating. You do realise that, right? | /r/MensRights | 19/05/21 02:46 PM |
| 14 | Why do feminist pretend they care about men too?There is nothing patronising about my response. I asked questions which weren’t answered, and instead of jumping down your throat and asserting that you are avoiding answering my questions out of intellectual dishonesty I proffered a gesture of kindness and patience and allowed you to answer my questions after restating them. Now, however, I will claim that you are attempting to deflect, and are responding disingenuously, by attempting to frame me as someone being patronising and “talking subjec… | /r/MensRights | 19/05/21 12:43 PM |
| 11 | Why do feminist pretend they care about men too?Okay, first off, I didn’t ask what theories you believed in, I asked if you believed in feminist theory and then gave three examples of feminist theories which are axiomatic to feminist ideology. I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in that you misinterpreted my question, so I’ll posit it again, with a bit more deliberation. Do you believe in the feminist theories that underpin feminism as an ideology, namely, patriarchy theory, rape culture, and domestic patriarchal terrorism otherw… | /r/MensRights | 19/05/21 12:20 PM |
| 24 | Why do feminist pretend they care about men too?Where did the OP say or even imply that all feminists are women? Edit: further, you claim you are a feminist. So do you believe in feminist theory? Ie, patriarchy theory, rape culture, and “patriarchal domestic terrorism” (Duluth model)? | /r/MensRights | 19/05/21 10:34 AM |
| 3 | FSW if this guy actually hung out with normal males of the species, he would realize we don't like rapey people either. That's why "nobody knows a rapist", most men don't befriend rapey guys.How ironic that the feminism subreddit would have a discussion flair, lmao | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 12/05/21 01:25 PM |
| 6 | Mens rights vs hating womenBut it seems the overwhelming opinion here is that insulting women comes hand in hand with mens rights Nope. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/21 06:13 PM |
| 1 | A friend needs some help with a project about woman's issues.Sorry mate, glossed over what you wrote, that’s my bad. Much love | /r/MensRights | 10/05/21 04:55 PM |
| 1 | A friend needs some help with a project about woman's issues.There is no wage gap. There also isn’t a STEM gap. The STEM gap only exists when you exclude fields like biology (and other female dominated fields). | /r/MensRights | 10/05/21 04:21 PM |
| 5 | Puerto Rico may have a Violence Problem but not Against WomenIf you were the author of the referenced article how would you have titled it? And how would you have discussed the issue of violence and/or domestic violence in Puerto Rico? Taking into account the context and all the facts of course. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/21 04:14 PM |
| 11 | MGM or FGM which worse ?These are two videos by Bane666au discussing MGM vs FGM. I highly encourage people to watch them as they are very informative and well structured. The main takeaway is that we are getting lost in the debate over which is worse because both are an affront to the human right to bodily autonomy (but he does go into it deeper for the sake of discussion and objectivity.) | /r/MensRights | 09/05/21 12:45 PM |
| 10 | We buy a lie every time someone shifts the discussion about male suicide to mental healthThank you u/dontpet. This is a really intriguing perspective and echoes some silent thoughts I often have about the issue of male suicide. When the rate of male suicide compared to female suicide is already something like 3.5:1 (generally speaking across the west) and then that figure jumps to approximately 10:1 during divorce; why is it we assume that this is due to mental health problems? Wouldn't the more salient conclusion be (in this scenario) that stripping a mentally well man of his famil… | /r/MensRights | 08/05/21 01:30 AM |
| 1 | "All sexism will disappear if we fight misogyny." What do you guys think?The only way feminists will admit men have issues is under the proviso they are framed actually as women’s issues. If men were to have issues on our own merit it would ruin their narrative and interfere with their victimhood mentality. The lack of self awareness is critical to feminist adherents. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/21 12:39 AM |
| 30 | "All sexism will disappear if we fight misogyny." What do you guys think?Ozy’s Law: Misogyny mirrors misandry / sexism goes both ways. Reading some of the comments in that thread nearly brings me to laughter. A lot of them are just so god damn close to self-awareness... and still others are just projecting in typical misandrist/feminist style. One of my favourites, and I quote: “On top of what you say in your OP about men being more comfortable accessing mental health support, i think the mental health system itself would probably be far less invalidating towards men… | /r/MensRights | 07/05/21 01:27 PM |
| 2 | Intro for the S.C.U.M. manifesto has been removed from YouTubeThis one? https://youtu.be/bA1wm66G2uE | /r/MensRights | 06/05/21 11:02 AM |
| 2 | FSW women have to do the actually heavy jobsAlso, the point of all this is really to indicate to you an uncomfortable truth about your belief system. Since you do subscribe to the "patriarchy theory", yes, you are in fact a misandrist. If I held the belief that women were the ones truly in power all throughout history and our society is a matriarchy, that sought protection and provisioning for women at the expense of men and their sweat, their labour, and their lives. If I believed that all the sources of inequality and oppression came fr… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 06/05/21 05:24 AM |
| 2 | FSW women have to do the actually heavy jobsAlright, I'll assume that you answered with an affirmative to my initial question. So you believe in the Patriarchy Theory as posed by feminism, in which men created and controlled society in such a way to privilege men, and cater to men's needs, drives, and interest at the express expense of women and their needs, drives, and interests. To hold that belief does in fact make you a misandrist. You've posed me several questions in response. Do you deny that men historically and present hold more p… | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 06/05/21 05:22 AM |
| 2 | FSW women have to do the actually heavy jobsThat’s not an answer to my question | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 06/05/21 04:43 AM |
| 2 | FSW women have to do the actually heavy jobsDo you believe in patriarchy theory? That society is run by men to privilege men at the expense of women? That society has been constructed in such a way that it caters to men’s needs, drives, and interests at the expense of women’s needs, drives, and interests? | /r/FeminismStopsWhen | 06/05/21 04:36 AM |
| 1 | Ignore the clickblait title; this is actually a great video that presents a logical critique of current feminist discourse in an easily understandable wayHahaha, of course there would be a name for this phenomenon! Thank you for sharing! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/21 12:54 PM |
| 2 | Oh hey, a non-gendered government initiative against Domestic Family Violence? Hahaha. Nope. Funding for women's groups only.Welcome, don’t mention it mate | /r/MensRights | 04/05/21 12:37 AM |
| 3 | Oh hey, a non-gendered government initiative against Domestic Family Violence? Hahaha. Nope. Funding for women's groups only."Many of those incidents are directly related to her actions leading up to her being hospitalized" does not equate to "women are acting up and they deserve it." You can explain and/or discuss factors that may be involved in how something came to pass without justifying it or agreeing with it. For example; no one believes serial killers should not be held responsible for their actions. If we were to cite studies that showed incredibly horrific childhood conditions, and sexually and physically abu… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/21 12:22 AM |
| 2 | Oh hey, a non-gendered government initiative against Domestic Family Violence? Hahaha. Nope. Funding for women's groups only.Thirty Years of Denying the Evidence of Gender Symmetry in Partner Violence: Implications for Prevention and Treatment by Dr Murray Strauss, 2010. The first part of this article summarizes results from more than 200 studies that have found gender symmetry in perpetration and in risk factors and motives for physical violence in martial and dating relationships. It also summarizes research that has found that most partner violence is mutual and that self-defense explains only a small percentage of… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/21 12:14 AM |
| 6 | Oh hey, a non-gendered government initiative against Domestic Family Violence? Hahaha. Nope. Funding for women's groups only.The feminist narrative paints all men and only men as perpetrators and women only ever as victims. They push this narrative so hard that it makes male victims invisible, but it makes female perpetrators invisible as well. Children also take a back seat generally speaking - feminists are more outraged by a battered woman than a battered child. What ends up happening as a result is that victims of DV who are children don't get the funding or support they should be, and for lesbian couples where th… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/21 11:56 PM |
| 17 | Oh hey, a non-gendered government initiative against Domestic Family Violence? Hahaha. Nope. Funding for women's groups only.Precisely! Even if we were to write off men as disposable and unimportant. Even if every single political movement and social justice movement wrote off men as subhuman or not worthy of consideration or humanitarian respect... Where is the recognition for children and babies who are victims of horrible acts of violence or even murder at the hands of their mothers?! Feminism as an ideology, and the feminists who practice and advocate on the basis of feminism as an ideology have a lot to answer fo… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/21 01:39 PM |
| 4 | Ignore the clickblait title; this is actually a great video that presents a logical critique of current feminist discourse in an easily understandable wayNo need to thank me mate! Your contributions to the discussion here for the MRM are always incredibly valuable, well thought out, well reasoned and cogent. I mainly comment in this manner to build upon points and illustrate/demonstrate concepts for others or newcomers who might not understand the things we already do. (Oh and Karen Straughan [girl writes what] is a f*cking hero. If only half the population possessed an iota of her drive to research, her capacity to rationalise, and form non-ideo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/21 12:53 PM |
| 7 | [Australia] Family Court Judges to be Trained About the Malicious Use of False AccusationsAmen | /r/MensRights | 03/05/21 12:42 PM |
| 14 | Ignore the clickblait title; this is actually a great video that presents a logical critique of current feminist discourse in an easily understandable wayIn pretty much every scenario sexism against one gender is simultaneously sexism against both. Examples: “Presumption of competence” in men can be and often is mirrored in “presumption of lesser competence [or incompetence]” in women. “Presumption of maleness/masculinity being intrinsically connected to violence and violent crime” is mirrored in “presumption of femaleness/femininity being intrinsically connected to innocence and victimhood”. We could keep going. The reason I raise these points f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/21 12:31 PM |
| 42 | Oh hey, a non-gendered government initiative against Domestic Family Violence? Hahaha. Nope. Funding for women's groups only.And this is why organisations like white ribbon Australia absolutely fail the vibe-check. When the majority of DV is reciprocal, and in the cases of non-reciprocated DV approx 70% is perpetrated by women, logic and statistics tell us that the biggest predictor of being a victim of DV is actually engaging in it yourself. (Not minimising innocent victims here, bear with me). So when feminist organisations tackle the issue of domestic violence as though it is unilaterally male perpetrator and femal… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/21 11:52 AM |
| 1 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?Hello? Two days, what’s up man? | /r/MensRights | 02/05/21 04:36 PM |
| 2 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?Mate, this is the second time you haven’t addressed my question. Why are you avoiding a straight answer? | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 05:22 PM |
| 3 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?It is absolutely a touchy or troublesome predicament, and I’m glad you acknowledge that. The idea of bodily autonomy is often brought into play here in particular in the discussion around this. Christian values, and I’m sure other religious values, hold all life to be sacred including the life that occurs in the womb. There is a massive discourse around this and the question of “where life starts.” But that is a whole separate conversation. Personally, I’m not religious, and even if I were, I’d … | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 03:47 PM |
| 1 | Its No ones jobI’m not sure how helpful they are exactly because I have a pathological fear of reaching out for help, but there is also the ABF (Australian Brotherhood of Fathers) | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 02:58 PM |
| 3 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?Sure, I’m not talking about medical reasons for abortion, nor am I suggesting abortion should be criminalised. I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as to how you’ve decided to interpret my question so allow me to clarify: Women have the choice to abort, and the right to do so, upon learning they’ve become pregnant, even in consensual acts of intercourse with men despite knowing that they weren’t on contraceptives and the man was not wearing a condom. Upon consenting to that intercour… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 02:53 PM |
| 6 | Shower thoughts about the Domestic Abuse Bill in the UKThanks for the quick response mate. Since that is the case, this new legislation whilst at face value is super positive and in a better world would arguably set the groundwork for including parental alienation in domestic abuse policy... I sense it will just be sticky taped to the Duluth model. When considered that way... it becomes somewhat terrifying. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 02:48 PM |
| 2 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?You didn’t answer my question mate | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 02:39 PM |
| 3 | Shower thoughts about the Domestic Abuse Bill in the UKHonest query, (I’m an Australian and not across the legislation surrounding DV in the UK), is the Duluth Model still the model for DV or domestic abuse there? | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 02:24 PM |
| 15 | EXPERIMENT: Women Try ManspreadingHilarious and brilliant. Thanks for the laughs! | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 02:21 PM |
| 3 | Even news articles are worded in a way to make men seem violent and unable to be victims.Can’t fathom why you’re being downvoted, you’re absolutely right. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 12:55 PM |
| 6 | Why exactly do people view parents refusing to pay child support for a child whom they never actually wanted as being morally questionable if this child already has all of their needs met & is thus in a better position than they were pre-conception?If the man consented to a child at the time of conception then logic would dictate that the woman did too... so how does abortion work in this equation? | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 12:18 PM |
| 1 | Famous and prominent Australian Feminist believes women who commit infanticide are victims of depression and men are abusive monstersHow are they/we lost? | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Famous and prominent Australian Feminist believes women who commit infanticide are victims of depression and men are abusive monstersI made no implication of the sort. I was merely opposing Ford’s assertion/assumption that men are universally/automatically monsters and that any woman who conducts infanticide is probably innocent and actually a victim of a mental illness. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Famous and prominent Australian Feminist believes women who commit infanticide are victims of depression and men are abusive monstersWhere did I disagree with that sentiment? | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 12:19 AM |
| 1 | Famous and prominent Australian Feminist believes women who commit infanticide are victims of depression and men are abusive monstersInteresting theory, care to elaborate? | /r/MensRights | 29/04/21 12:17 AM |
| 10 | Famous and prominent Australian Feminist believes women who commit infanticide are victims of depression and men are abusive monstersYeah that’s gonna happen, women are wonderful effect and all that. How dare anyone suggest women are equally as capable of horrific crimes and violence as men. | /r/MensRights | 28/04/21 05:58 AM |
| 16 | Famous and prominent Australian Feminist believes women who commit infanticide are victims of depression and men are abusive monstersYep, hyperagency vs hypoagency again. Nothing objectifies women more than feminism. Edit: typo | /r/MensRights | 28/04/21 05:28 AM |
| 20 | Famous and prominent Australian Feminist believes women who commit infanticide are victims of depression and men are abusive monstersYeah the one with his daughter. Horrible and despicable act, no one is suggesting otherwise. But for this man-hating hag to take this and bash all men with it, whilst simultaneously being a murder apologist for mothers who do the same thing, is vile. | /r/MensRights | 28/04/21 05:27 AM |
| 3 | Funnily enough, she excuses the severity of repercussions for women who commit infanticide and then accuses others of being murder apologists. Without double standards, feminists would have no standards at all.Agreed, unfortunately, Clementine Ford is a figurehead and widely loved. Even though she was the one who created the KillAllMen hashtag, and was responsible last year for tweeting “COVID isn’t killing men fast enough”. Edit: oh and she has a son. I worry for that lad. | /r/AntiFeminists | 28/04/21 04:12 AM |
| 24 | Famous and prominent Australian Feminist believes women who commit infanticide are victims of depression and men are abusive monstersMate, it’s Clementine Ford. She’s been sponsored by the city of Melbourne, and she’s the one responsible for the #KillAllMen hashtag. She’s far from being ridiculed. (Even more disturbing, she has a son.) | /r/MensRights | 28/04/21 03:31 AM |
| 36 | Famous and prominent Australian Feminist believes women who commit infanticide are victims of depression and men are abusive monsters“Feminism isn’t anti-men.” Lol. Okay. As I’m looking at it this post currently has over four and a half thousand likes/positive emotes. And one of the most liked comments beneath it damn near openly advocates for men to be jailed regardless of innocence. “The courts would rather sacrifice a women and children weekly than dare accuse a man of abuse who was innocent. “ | /r/MensRights | 28/04/21 03:26 AM |
| 3 | I’m tired of seeing this untruth getting posted as memes every week. Misandry is part and parcel of feminism.In a comedic sense I find this comic depicted hilariously accurate (allow me to elaborate). The fruit of the feminist tree is intrinsically anti-male. Here is what we know: feminism as a movement is based on feminism as an ideology, ergo, the feminist movement is inherently ideologically driven. The primary tenet of feminist ideology is “patriarchy” theory, and all of its theoretical offshoots like “rape culture” and “patriarchal domestic terrorism”. Consistently feminists gaslight society as a … | /r/MensRights | 25/04/21 02:02 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Convenient that you choose to dismiss scientific evidence that doesn't support your narrative. How very feminist of you. You would know, lol Already quoted you two instances where you did deny it. You and feminists are to reality as oil is to water after all. Keep on backtracking :) Just like a classic feminist, the definition of gynocentrism (as with patriarchy) appears to morph to whatever you deem it to be to suit your argument. Prioritising the safety of women for the collective survival of … | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 10:28 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..19. "They often were" Often were =/= always. Why did they leave the oh so powerful goddesses who birth life like that when they could have the chance of MORE babies, protection, safety, and their whole tribe and race ensuring their existence? I'm sure you know my answer, joker. Yeah, I do know. You don't have one, so you created a question with circular reasoning (another logical fallacy) and deflected. Lol. 20.Moving on, about senicide, there's literally a HUGE difference. First off, they weren… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 08:12 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..11. You don't need to kill men to make humanity survive. You don't need to worship women to survive. It was nothing but a disgusting period of time, just like the time of slavery. "Worked" =/= right. Oh my god, you're finally getting it. I'll even look past yet another strawman where you imply that I stated/believe that we needed to kill men to make humanity survive or worship women. But yes! MY GOD YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO GETTING IT. When gynocentrism, primarily focussing on the protection and provi… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 08:12 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..The world is going to go through a straw shortage after this. At this point you're not even actually debating me, you're twisting or fabricating utter nonsense and debating that instead. Lets go for another lap on the merry-go-round. 1. *You weren't "providing evidence", you were throwing in links lmao.*Oh okay, so we get to just ignore things we don't like. Okay, I'm going to ignore all the evidence you never provided and just call you wrong too. Damn, wish I thought of this earlier. It's way e… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 08:11 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Yeah, indoctrination is a thing. Again, I never said socialisation wasn't a factor. None of this disproves biological differences in men and women and differences in personality traits. I think I'm beginning to see it now. You are conflating preferences and individual characteristics with the broad personality traits. The DSM 5 or FFM measures extraversion, neuroticism, openness to experience, agreeableness, and conscientiousness. Big difference in what you're talking about. "So you want the sci… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 05:39 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..MILLIONS of people actually believe those are due to "the differences in men and women, we're SO different!1!". Yeah, I know. Pretty bizarre. I don't see what this has to do with me, as I don't believe in those things as being biological/genetic/inherited, but those things are rather socialised, nor have I implied it. Another strawman? Or do you just understand what I'm trying to enlighten you to? I know you want to be an animal so bad, but you're a human, education and environment affects you t… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 05:38 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Alright, let's trim all the superfluous blather from this so I can focus on what points, if any, you tried to make. I'll also refrain from providing citations since you appear to hate evidence. It's not like you're going to investigate them anyway. Nah, not related. Just like that false study that said men are naturally more aggressive lmao. Blame something else sweetie. Oh lmao you mentioned it later in your comment, what a joke. It's simply false, cry about it with your "mah biology". Alright,… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 05:38 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..In a discussion about biology, behavioural psychology and the difference between men and women... estrogen and testerone and their effects on men and women are absolutely relevant. Lol. It's common sense in the way that it is commonly known and also backed up with plenty of science. But science regarding biology is pseudo-science to you, I thought? Your inconsistencies rival your cognitive dissonance. "The different levels of testosterone and estrogen in men and women is to balance it for the re… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 02:57 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Lol, that entire response is a gigantic straw man! Impressive! I never expressed a desire to choose what men and women are better at. All I did was comment on the ways in which male and female biology differ at a fundamental level to disprove the notion that men and women are the same except for genitalia and chromosomes. I also never suggested that feminine men or masculine women are unhealthy, or flawed. Bit more biology here for you, both men and women produce testosterone, but women’s bodies… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 01:25 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Yes men and women have significant differences. Our brains are different sizes and have different wiring. Our bodies are vastly different and have evolved to perform better different roles, which describes any sexually dimorphic species. Yes there are some men and women who can exhibit typically behaviours commonly associated with the other sex. Again, doesn’t preclude the reality that men and women, generally speaking, overwhelming, do have significant differences, especially when you factor in… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 12:35 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..This just gets better and better, lmao. Having men who show female behavioural tendencies and women who show male behavioural tendencies doesn’t preclude there being fundamental differences in our brains. Here’s another article. https://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html Speaking of evidence; if it’s common sense and so obvious that men and women are the same (excluding genitalia and chromosomes) where is the proof/evidence? Lol Take my advice, do some … | /r/MensRights | 19/04/21 12:14 AM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Well, you’re entitled to your opinions, lol. Still not seeing any facts to support your feelings. So in light of the evidence, yes, the theory (read: not study) that men and women only differ in genitalia/reproductive organs/chromosomes is not only unsupported by scientific evidence but the opposite is supported by scientific evidence. So if you want to talk about common sense then let’s include the concept of aligning your beliefs with what has been scientifically evidenced rather than giving m… | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 11:25 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..And around in circles we go, hahaha! That was a theory proposed approximately 20-30 years ago iirc, but has been ultimately disproven. Even disregarding the multitude of physical differences outside of genitalia, even our brains are different. Even ignoring the DSM 5 which accounts for at most a 10-24% overlap in behavioural traits/personality. Our brains are physically different and men and women are wired differently. https://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/823 | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 11:04 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..There’s also a link to a great lecture from Professor Robert Sapolsky from Stanford talking about behavioural psychology, but you may have missed it, here you go again. I’ve already made my points. I’m just going to keep giving you resources. Your opinion on gynocentrism is based on your flawed understanding of it, and your rightly placed anger at gynocentrism hinges on your flawed understanding of that and rests almost a entirely on a secondary belief being that the only difference between men … | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 10:43 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Lol, you never fail to surprise me with how frequently you demonstrate your ignorance. The genetic fallacy is a fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. Ergo, saying that the material I’ve provided is in and of itself not a good source because it is from YouTube is a genetic fallacy. The part about traditionalists and blue is actually a false equivalency, but I’m trying not to overload you with … | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 09:33 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Genetic fallacy again. https://youtu.be/Y0Oa4Lp5fLE | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 09:27 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Already have kiddo, if you observe my earlier prior comment, I have stated everything I needed to and laid out the facts clearly. From here on I’m just going to keep linking you research material because denying hard science lumps you into the same group as anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, and feminists, which isn’t a good look. If you can get over your emotional response to our conversation one day these links will still be here for you to investigate :) https://youtu.be/8a1-Eu7n0hs | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 09:22 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..https://youtu.be/2VupEC0cAWo | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 08:56 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Ad hominem, straw mans, false equivalences, false cause, genetic, and personal incredulity fallacies. Lol, this has been a wild ride. Gynocentrism is the dominant or exclusive focus on women in theory or practice; or to the advocacy of this. Anything can be considered gynocentric when it is concerned exclusively with a female point of view. It is practiced and actively advocated for, and again, we agree that it needs to not be. But that wasn’t what was in question here. You in your blind hatred … | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 08:38 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Where did I say men and women are different species. You said the only difference between men and women is their gender and resulting genitals due to their chromosomes which has absolutely zero basis in scientific truth and for which there is zero evidence. In fact, there are mountains of sound scientific evidence of the exact opposite. Your identity politics/post-modernism/junk social science isn’t actually science, otherwise scientific studies would have proved your theories, rather than dispr… | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 07:35 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..There’s nothing more I need say on this topic as what I’ve said thus far is reasonably thorough. This conversation might have shifted into something far more engaging/interesting if you weren’t a science-denier, and if you even had a fundamental understanding what nature, biology, and evolutionary psychology even mean. I’ve got nothing else for you. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbA7X2U_AzlLu1Fd01A9SHRJ4V-gPggaE | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 06:52 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..The logic on which your assessment rests is fundamentally flawed. Let’s explore this: Example. Women historically died in childbirth at horrible rates, and that was natural, ie, without medical (human) intervention then the mortality rate of women would still be exceedingly high. Your assertion: You assert nature is not wrong. Conclusion: Ergo, the pursuit of medicine as a human intervention to circumvent what is natural, ie, nature, would be wrong as it works against nature, which is “right.” I… | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 02:38 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Where did I say gynocentrism is justified or that the MRM is a movement against nature, or even allude to it? Where did I say gynocentrism is morally just or fair? Where did I agree with it? Are you drunk? We agree that misandry is bad, we agree that gynocentrism, the women are wonderful effect is bad, that male disposability is in dire need of rectification. Really struggling to parse your logic or thought process here. | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 02:15 PM |
| 1 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..Woah, loads of assumptions there. First, I never justified gynocentrism. Evolution, and evolutionary psychology, don’t care about what’s right or morally just, it just cares about what works. And your argument that the way we operate is entirely due to societal influence has already been thoroughly debunked. This is the argument of “nature” vs “nurture”, or biology vs socialisation. The more egalitarian and equal opportunity a society gets, such as in Sweden, the larger the disparity in choice o… | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 01:52 PM |
| 0 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..At the very least it is the direct result of our history and how we evolved. Females in our species, as with most others, are the limiting factor in reproduction and collective survival. This is also the cause for the women-are-wonderful effect, male disposability, etc. There is plenty of evidence that there is a biological aspect to preferring and prioritising women, especially since studies have also shown men lack the psychological mechanism for not only an in group bias/preference, but even … | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 01:15 PM |
| 1 | Mens Rights and FeminismHi Moonlight, No problem at all, my go-to assumption when someone is taking time in responding (if I believe they are operating in good faith, which I believe you are/do) is that there's a good reason for it, whether real life has been getting in the way or something else. I'm sorry to hear that nutcase is stalking/harassing you. I don't like nor have patience for that childish twit either and have long since blocked him. I'm sure you could report him but even in the case of his account getting … | /r/MensRights | 18/04/21 02:10 AM |
| 94 | Would you guys appreciate an Opposite World? Included the female privilege checklistThey deleted it because the idea of female privilege works against the narrative | /r/MensRights | 15/04/21 01:39 PM |
| 2 | Examples of female privilege.You can respond to me here mate if you want, I’m not interested in private conversation | /r/MensRights | 14/04/21 02:38 PM |
| 3 | Examples of female privilege.No, the facts indicate that women are less likely to be assaulted / be a victim of violent crime than men are. Again, the gender of the perpetrator is irrelevant. And as an aside, (I can’t remember where I read this), female victimisation occurs roughly equally at the hands of both men and women. Forest for the trees man, forest for the trees... | /r/MensRights | 14/04/21 05:06 AM |
| 2 | Examples of female privilege.Something being a right and something being a privilege are not mutually exclusive. We have the right to vote in western countries, but that right is also a privilege. Before suffrage was granted for men and women we didn’t have the right to vote. Then suffrage was achieved and the right to that privilege was won. That being said, male suffrage came at exorbitant cost and women’s suffrage did not have the same cost, so that is an example of female privilege again. Let’s have a look at the defini… | /r/MensRights | 14/04/21 03:45 AM |
| 0 | Hypocrisy.Do you believe sexism is effective in a positive or negative sense? | /r/MensRights | 14/04/21 02:29 AM |
| 4 | Examples of female privilege.My response to your DM: Hi, you were banned? Thats unreal :/ I’ve seen so many dissenting opinions coming from feminists and women on the men’s rights sun and I see them constantly, which suggested to me the mods weren’t censoring people here which I believe is a good thing. Did they give you a reason as to why you were banned? Is a temp or permanent ban? I don’t suppose I could see a screenshot so I can go after the mod who banned you and seek his reasoning behind it? Anyway, I appreciate you r… | /r/MensRights | 14/04/21 01:23 AM |
| 1 | Examples of female privilege.Your response sent privately to me here: Apparently the men are to sensitive to hear a woman’s perspective on an all men’s group that shits on women because they banned me for my comment. Just another way to silence women. but this is what I was going to say in reply “Women choose to have children they don’t choose to sacrifice their careers and their respect that they deserve in the workplace. When women have children they are expected to take care of them. The husband usually will never choose… | /r/MensRights | 14/04/21 01:22 AM |
| 3 | Examples of female privilege.The gender of the perpetrator of violence has nothing to do with the gender of the victim. This sounds eerily similar to the “yes, but by other men” response you get from feminists when you inform them that men are the predominant victims of violence across every sphere bar one, the domestic violence sphere, and in that one there is basically gender symmetry. I’m struggling to parse your logic here. Rape of adolescents is a horrible thing but in the grand scheme of things is a very uncommon prac… | /r/MensRights | 14/04/21 12:34 AM |
| 1 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..I agree | /r/MensRights | 14/04/21 12:20 AM |
| 1 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..For what it’s worth, I hope your sentiment in your post is accurate. I agree that everyone has a subjective view/subjective understanding. But the truth of reality is an inherently objective topic. And objectively speaking; gynocentrism is wired into our biology. And so long as feminism is inside the Overton window and men’s rights advocacy outside of it, and so long as our biology continues to perpetuate gamma bias and and the in-group/out-group bias discrepancy, (I could go on...), the evidenc… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 07:02 PM |
| 4 | Examples of female privilege.Asking a yes or no question hardly constitutes a debate. You can make value judgments all you like on my career, and with all due respect, it really only serves to paint you as an elitist and judgmental prick. And whatever shred of respect and patience I was still willing to extend you just vanished when you resorted to not only ad hominem yet again, but you suggested that soldiers are required to be illiterate. If you acknowledge ANZAC Day or partake in the traditions honouring the sacrifice of… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 06:47 PM |
| 2 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..That’s fair enough mate. I don’t care much for main stream media myself because honest journalism is a vanishingly rare practice. Unfortunately it doesn’t take away from the reality that the majority of western culture doesn’t actually think, they are routinely told what to think. And the people doing the telling are feminists. | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 06:36 PM |
| 3 | Examples of female privilege.Weird, I love my son and having a child hasn’t put an end to my career or desired lifestyle. He added to my quality of life and sense of purpose, even after having served in the ADF. You can not want a kid at 26 all you want, but it’s a pretty immature attitude to project that attitude on to me or anyone else and judge accordingly. I am giving you an opportunity to clarify your purpose here because as it stands to anyone observing this exchange you honestly read as someone extremely bigoted (jud… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 06:33 PM |
| 3 | Examples of female privilege.Something wrong with a 30yo who has a child? And you have yet to show me any evidence of me hating women? What is your purpose here? | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 06:10 PM |
| 4 | Hypocrisy.Do you believe sexism is effective in a positive or negative sense? | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 06:07 PM |
| 4 | Examples of female privilege.Thanks mate, really appreciate this. I’ll hold onto it for the next decade as I’m only thirty. Yep, I started working at 10. Or maybe I didn’t and I’m just lying like I did about everything else. I’m glad I “owned a lib” because I’m actually shuffles cards liberal leaning myself. And I’m sure the majority of my friends, a slightly larger percentage of which being women, will be glad to see how I convinced a wise, smart, knowledgeable feminist in New York that “guys rule, chicks drool”. A point t… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 06:05 PM |
| 7 | Examples of female privilege.Women choose to bear children. There is such a thing as an accidental pregnancy but not an accidental mother. By that logic you tacitly admit women often choose to work less hours. Is that evidence of “discrimination” or is that evidence that women are perfectly capable of choosing their own lifestyle? | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 05:54 PM |
| 3 | Examples of female privilege.Oh, no, you misunderstand. You said I was a virgin and needed to get a job, so my son and my career are evidently non existent. As you previously suggested that I “stop lying”, the implication there in is that I was lying. So no, I’m a fat lazy virgin manlet woman hater with no job. But I have yet to hear you respond to the question: do women have female privilege? Or are you too focussed on emasculating me in order to avoid responding to the challenge? | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 05:42 PM |
| 5 | Examples of female privilege.Ah damn, you got me! I'm actually a jobless fat ugly weird sexless freak of a "man". You got me good! Damn! I can't get anything past you! My fat, lazy, virgin, and ugly visage aside; how does any of that have any bearing on the suggestion that women have privilege? If I were fit, active, sexually successful, attractive, and had a great job that made me rich, and then suggested women have privilege, would that mean more? Asking for a friend. (My friend is a feminist who believes that body-shamin… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 05:28 PM |
| 5 | Examples of female privilege.Oh, I'm overweight? I never knew. Being 5'11" and weighing in at 105kg, with a 240kg squat, 250kg deadlift, and 150kg bench (yes I know, at my body weight ratio I should be benching more), I didn't realize i was a fat loser. Thank you for enlightening me. Furthermore, I can't help but wonder why you might suggest someone that is fat is a loser. Are you negatively judging someone and silencing them based on the condition of their body? I thought feminists were against that? I'm curious, I have be… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 04:49 PM |
| 1 | I find it so insanely frustrating to hear women say "That's not real feminism"Pretty sure this is his problem, lol. | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 04:28 PM |
| 5 | I just have this intuitive feeling that ..I'm in Australia too, and whilst I agree with you that there are plenty of individuals getting sick and tired of the consistently debunked feminist rhetoric - most of our society across the west are sheep. Gynocentrism is the biological imperative from our evolutionary history that Feminist ideology enjoys exploiting. The OP u/stoicism1981 is beautifully optimistic but incredibly misled. The media and the social zeitgeist control the narrative. Social politics are conducted within the overton wi… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 04:11 PM |
| 7 | Examples of female privilege.Okay, I'll pick you. Got something to contribute to the discussion? | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 04:05 PM |
| 3 | Examples of female privilege.What are you suggesting? That the basic human rights that MRA's are advocating for Men should only be granted to those who first embody your standard of what constitutes a Man? That women should never have been granted suffrage? Please clarify. | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 04:02 PM |
| 12 | Hypocrisy.That's super sexist dude. Women and Men are equally capable of nobility as well as selfishness. Both genders are equally capable of hypocrisy, as well as acting in their own interest at the expense of others. Feminists are amongst the absolute best at it, undeniably. But the capacity for honesty and integrity (and their opposites) are equal across both genders, unless someone can provide a scientifically backed and empirically sound study to prove otherwise in either direction. Don't be sexist. … | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 03:57 PM |
| 10 | Examples of female privilege.Ah, cool. You're just a troll. No worries. Enjoy your stay. | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 03:51 PM |
| 9 | Examples of female privilege.Alright, I'd really like to understand what you are suggesting here. The OP delineated examples of female privilege. You responded by suggesting it's "cringe". Another commenter responded with "it's true tho". Your response involved implying that the above commenter was "not getting matches on tinder but they don't have to hate women for it - which they definitely do". Although it isn't entirely clear what the intent of your response is after that, you seem to have jumped to the conclusion I am … | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 03:44 PM |
| 7 | Examples of female privilege.... what? "It's a bit like a man saying to a woman you are privileged because I choose not to murder you." No, the privilege of women is that women are far less likely to be the victims of violence. What are you suggesting? | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 03:33 PM |
| 7 | Examples of female privilege.An attempt at shaming a person for their sexuality/sex life? How very feminist of you. | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 03:31 PM |
| 14 | Apparently we are all sexist for not being feministsWe don’t need to define feminism. Conveniently, it defines itself by virtue of its own ideology. You might have an argument by appealing to the perspective of the masses, but that argument only holds water if that “majority” holds the leaders, politicians, academics and feminist philosophers/authors of feminist rhetoric and theory accountable for their misandry. News flash; they don’t. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/21 12:18 PM |
| 2 | Is there a running list/ blog/ depository for examples of misandry?There’s also this from the top pinned post in the anti feminists subreddit which lists a great deal of feminist misandry over the years: https://archive.is/AWSEN | /r/MensRights | 10/04/21 01:00 AM |
| 2 | Who says women never lie about rape?In Catharine Mackinnons’ eyes, women as a whole are so weak that they can’t give meaningful consent and therefore all hetero-sex is rape of women by default. Much the same way an adult & minor is rape because a child can’t give consent either. It’s not lost on me how Catherine’s belief is not only rife with misandry but misogyny as well, but let’s be honest: feminists are not really famous for their logical consistency... | /r/MensRights | 06/04/21 11:19 PM |
| 7 | About consistency.Absolutely this. Feminism was very smart to (somewhat arrogantly) co-opt any activism for any minority (perceived or true) as part of their anti-“patriarchy” campaign. Especially any activism on the part of women’s rights. And @ the OP; you have the right attitudes. The difference between the MRM and Feminism is that the former isn’t based on an ideology whereas the latter is. Eventually (though probably not for a long time) the MRM won’t be necessary anymore. But feminism, being an ideology, do… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/21 06:31 AM |
| 3 | Mask offYouch, that’s pretty indicative of how feminism has infected our society. I’m in Australia and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was pretty similar here... I hope a similar group conducts a survey to ascertain the influence of feminism in this part of the world too. One of the deflections I run into from feminists I’ve had discussions with irl is that feminism is nowhere near as powerful as we think it is (I know, laughable.). It all comes back to that Motte and Bailey tactic that another user allud… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/21 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Mask offAbsolutely will do a post on it once I see her next and have that chat. I’m 50:50 at the moment on whether she doubles down despite cognitive dissonance or if she realises that the patriarchy theory is largely projection of female psychology onto men. She is a benevolent and kind-hearted person all in all, but “belief persistence” is a thing. We will see. For what it’s worth, I’ve enlightened three individuals in my social circle so far who used to identify as feminists. They were ignorant like … | /r/MensRights | 05/04/21 04:33 PM |
| 2 | Mask offI agree, which is why I included the clause wherein our society has largely subscribed to feminist ideology. Women as a whole certainly do benefit from the rampant gynocentrism and suffer from the incessant feminist fear-mongering. I think the difference might be delineated by how individual people, men and women, respond to evidence that feminism is a hateful ideology and it has resulted in some truly horrible things across our society as a whole. If they persist in defending the feminist ideol… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/21 03:31 PM |
| 13 | Mask offYou’re conflating feminism/feminists with women. Majority of women aren’t in fact feminists. I do believe however that a lot of feminisms theoretical offshoots (the wage gap myth, the rape culture myth, the patriarchy myth) have been swallowed hook, line, and sinker by our society/culture. Feminists are advancing their own agenda, and sure, a lot of those feminists are women. But to say a lot of women are like this is dishonest by its implication. Words matter. | /r/MensRights | 05/04/21 02:52 PM |
| 3 | Mask offA lot of feminists* | /r/MensRights | 05/04/21 02:25 PM |
| 14 | Who says women never lie about rape?Also Catharine Mackinnon, another feminist: “In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” | /r/MensRights | 05/04/21 10:45 AM |
| 8 | Who says women never lie about rape?Mary P Koss for one | /r/MensRights | 05/04/21 10:41 AM |
| 18 | Objectification of menGuessing you’ve never heard of hypergamy? As an aside - where did he say he blamed women? | /r/MensRights | 05/04/21 10:10 AM |
| 1 | Mens Rights and FeminismYou’re a childish little shit with no respect. The content of our discussion is extensive, it would quite likely take at least a week to formulate a response to the above. | /r/MensRights | 30/03/21 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Mens Rights and FeminismPART FIVE Regarding your comments relating to the people of the R-mensrights subreddit often posting confronting or insensitive comments/statements/statistics... I tend to agree. I often take large breaks from discussion forums such as this one because there is so much pain and frustration and I've got a hard enough time dealing with my own. I would ask you to consider that our society encourages and supports women who speak up about any injustice whether real or imagined. Women have oceans of e… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/21 07:12 AM |
| 1 | Mens Rights and FeminismPART FOUR This ties in neatly to the discussion of hyperagency vs hypoagency, in which societally we often treat women as objects (not the feminist version of "objectification", the literal one in relation to agency) and men as agents. Allow to me explain very briefly; men are perceived to be agents that act upon others, and as such are responsible for anything that goes wrong with them or to them. Ie, if a woman is hitting a man in public, often people will think "what did he do to deserve it?"… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/21 07:07 AM |
| 1 | Mens Rights and FeminismPART THREE Hostile cross examinations for real domestic abuse victims are surely awful, but that isn’t a problem that is relevant to the moral and ethical right that children should have to the presumption of shared custody between two loving and non-abusive parents. If anything, activists should demand funding or resources to reform this practice/necessity, but it doesn't negate the aforementioned moral rights of the children. We can work on making the hard part of the process easier with this … | /r/MensRights | 29/03/21 07:07 AM |
| 1 | Mens Rights and FeminismPART TWO Regarding your remark that most custody decisions are mutual agreements where the mother becomes the custodial parent; this is a large thing to unpack, chiefly because the use of the term ‘mutual’ precludes the idea that these ‘agreements’ might have been made without both parties being on equal footing. Considering the exorbitant costs of family court, the heavy bias against fathers in family court, the threat of false allegations of violence by mothers (considered the “Silver Bullet” … | /r/MensRights | 29/03/21 06:52 AM |
| 1 | Mens Rights and FeminismPART ONEHi Moonlight, Thanks for your patience over the weekend. I hope you had a good one. And I share your sentiment that you remarked on early in your comment; I enjoy positive discussions as well where both parties feel heard. You seem like a genuinely pleasant person with good intentions. As I mentioned in my courtesy-response to you a few days ago there are things we absolutely agree upon. Misogyny is awful, and it probably goes without saying that Misandry is just as abhorrent. I do not w… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/21 06:39 AM |
| 1 | Mens Rights and FeminismAll good Moonlight :) On all accounts you seem really pleasant yourself and I’m glad you had a great time in Perth (I was born about four hours south in a coastal city called Albany, and man do I miss the beaches). This is a courtesy message as I’ve just got off work (15 hour shift yesterday, 16 hours today, and I’m a bit buggered.). I just need to get through Saturday and Sunday and then I can sit down and organise a response to your comment. I have no doubt that there’s a heap we agree on base… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/21 02:09 PM |
| 9 | Still with the same tired old myth of the wage gapIt’s ye olde tyranny of female hypoagency striking again. Nothing objectifies women more than feminism. When we can (societally and culturally) accept that women are agents just as men are, and are just as responsible for their personal lives as men are responsible for their own... we might see people suddenly realising that the “wage gap” is actually kind of offensive towards women and does nothing to help anyone. | /r/MensRights | 25/03/21 11:44 PM |
| 0 | Mens Rights and FeminismGood one, that would be because I’m not actually engaging in a debate with you. Also, pot meet kettle. You were doing so well! No need to fall back on bad habits. Here’s another few alternatives for your lexicon; “it baffles me how” or you might try for something more fancy like “I find it disconcerting” or “intriguing”. (No need to thank me, consider it pro bono.) | /r/MensRights | 25/03/21 11:29 PM |
| 0 | Mens Rights and FeminismNice, you upgraded from find it funny to find it telling. Good job 👍 We will make a wordsmith out of you yet! (And good; because it’s working) | /r/MensRights | 25/03/21 11:18 PM |
| 0 | Mens Rights and FeminismYou have absolutely no ability to recognise neither a sardonic nor a playfully dismissive remark it seems. If you can flit over several threads and forums making up claims (ie, lies), throwing a tantrum, and then not be able to take a disparaging dismissal - well, let’s just say it’s not surprising considering how childish you’ve proven yourself thus far. Suggestion; you might try to start sentences with something other than “funny how” every so often (because contrary to what you might think it… | /r/MensRights | 25/03/21 11:06 PM |
| 0 | Mens Rights and FeminismHi Moonlight, I see we both have had the pleasure of trying to have a fruitful conversation with our callow friend. Between his multitude of attacks on you, his attempting to goad and belittle me, and his overall puerile commentary, I have to respect you for how even-keeled you've been. Of course, I am open to debate/discuss Mens Rights with you. I wasn't going to "run to sofji's aid" as I'm sure you've observed he spares no animosity for anyone that seems to not entertain his childishness. This… | /r/MensRights | 24/03/21 11:53 PM |
| 2 | And feminists wonder why we oppose their ideologyI am pro equality for men and women. I am in support of basic human rights for both men and women. | /r/AntiFeminists | 24/03/21 04:37 AM |
| 6 | Mens Rights and FeminismThis. The core tenets of feminism as an ideology prohibit the idea that men are disadvantaged. So when men’s rights activism is considered through their ideological framework it’s perceived as either laughable or an attempt to strengthen “tha patriarchy” and or subjugate or otherwise disenfranchise women. The MRM isn’t anti women. | /r/MensRights | 24/03/21 03:56 AM |
| 2 | Brilliant article on Feminism and GaslightingShe quite clearly is. She provided a list of sources and talking to points to establish her position. And when prompted to establish yours you barely answered her question even after after multiple hours of her asking you to clarify and define your position. Now, there were several opportunities to point out logical fallacies on her part, and some of her points could have been turned around against her, but that would have required you knowing the greater context and having resources yourself. A… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 11:10 PM |
| 5 | Brilliant article on Feminism and GaslightingI just checked your comment history and I’m guessing it’s the lady you were talking to for the better part of the last 36 hours. I read your comment thread with her. You’re not going to like this. Whilst there are some logical holes in her argument, and she hasn’t considered things all the way through and she hasn’t looked at other things in context; there’s nothing about her tone or her responses to suggest that she is trolling you (just in case you read this too quickly and assume I’m agreeing… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 10:49 PM |
| 4 | Brilliant article on Feminism and GaslightingI have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Feminists gaslight us, but I never said all the time. Again, the purpose of this article was to show some common ways in which they do. I never suggested they do it all the time, nor did I suggest it’s only when I read something I don’t like. Slow down, read what I said without jumping to conclusions, I get that you’re frustrated. Who’s the person you’re talking about? | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 10:18 PM |
| 7 | Brilliant article on Feminism and GaslightingIf you go through my comment history you’ll find I often do, at length, despite it feeling like bashing my head against the wall. The purpose of this article is to educate people in the MRM (and people still on the fence) to common ways that feminists will gaslight us and society, so we can recognise their tactics and defend ourselves against them. This article is a tool for us to better defend ourselves in debates/arguments, not an excuse for us to block our ears with our fingers whenever a fem… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 10:12 PM |
| 8 | Brilliant article on Feminism and GaslightingAnd stoop to their level? I, and I think most others, would prefer the MRM to maintain its integrity. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 09:58 PM |
| 13 | Brilliant article on Feminism and GaslightingRegardless of how he or she identifies, whether troll or feminist, I’m with the mods on this one. If you start culling people from a forum that say things you don’t like it sets a dangerous precedent; and yes the likelihood is high that eventually this becomes an echo chamber. If they are truly trolling and not legitimately expressing their own opinion then don’t waste your time giving attention to them. When you engage in social political discussion you are going to run into people you disagree… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 09:57 PM |
| 0 | #menarehumanYou asked the question, I answered. You haven’t made a rational point or argument yet. And you haven’t been able to respond appropriately to any of Joes rebuttals ejther | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 01:03 PM |
| 1 | #menarehumanAnd me. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 12:56 PM |
| 3 | #menarehumanI don’t know if you’re drunk or on drugs at the moment, but there is only one person who is looking dumb in all of this back and forth. Maybe you’ll see it tomorrow when you sober up... or in a decade or two when you grow up. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 12:55 PM |
| 3 | #menarehumanI think we are wasting our time with this one Joe. Between his incoherent responses and spiteful, near vitriolic tone I think we might as well leave him alone to wallow in his rage and prejudice. Luckily most people who advocate for men’s rights aren’t the sort to exclude LGTBQ+ men because of their differences. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 12:41 PM |
| 3 | #menarehumanBecause it was a direct response to me, ie, directed at me. If I was a smart person, I might suggest that you direct your responses to the people you are responding to, because that is generally how conversation works. Food for thought. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 12:37 PM |
| 1 | #menarehumanThat is incoherent and not at all a response to what I said. Cool your jets turbo. And I really don’t care what your skin colour, (or your gender, or your sexual preferences are) as these form the least important things about an individual person. Nice try playing the race card though, as if it had any relevance. Whether you agree or disagree with the LGTBQ+ community is irrelevant and wasn’t what was being discussed. What was being discussed was whether men’s rights relevant to LGTBQ+ men have … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 12:30 PM |
| 3 | #menarehumanBecause there’s probably a great deal of crossover between specific LGTBQ+ rights advocacy and men’s rights advocacy, because: 1) Men’s rights issues are human rights issues 2) There are plenty of LGTBQ+ folks who are men I can’t imagine why you oppose the rights/issues of LGTBQ+ Men being discussed or recognised under the banner Men’s Rights... unless you’re a bigot? | /r/MensRights | 23/03/21 12:15 PM |
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