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You're diggin way too much into the example. The scenario is constructed to illustrate how a dataset can produce similar output as the OKc study while not actually containing the ostensible conclusion: My intention was to illustrate how the average rating for a lot of men can be low without that meaning that 80% of men as a group are viewed as unattractive to women as a group, which the statement that keeps popping up. I demonstrate how a possible explanation for this is that women have types an…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 04:47 PM
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Unlikely. I'm trying to break into a dying industry (journalism), and my degree isn't particularly attractive elsewhere. What type of degree do you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 04:20 PM
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well I don't want it to be true, but evidence suggests otherwise. The evidence suggests that women in online dating behave in a certain way. Now compare this to your real life experience: Where have you gotten laid the most, Tinder/OKc, or in real life? If you're like me and pretty much everyone I know, you find online dating to be a lot harder than IRL dating. Literally every girl I've met through online dating has been less attractive than 90% of women I've had sex with outside of online datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:53 PM
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I don't think their issues deserve the insane attention they get from the mainstream media. I think that's a wrong approach. It's like saying blacks are underpriviledged so we should bring white people down to the same level. The obvious solution is to draw more attention to male issues. Whining about other issues getting attention is just meaningless. You're ignoring the huge percentage of men who never get jack shit. Or maybe get like one negative sexual experience. I have no experience or evi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:42 PM
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but you said it was because okcupid notified people of the ratings. Obviously the other sites don't have the same functionality as okcupid (do I have to explain Tinder to you? Tinder does not alert people if you like them, only if there is a match. If the data is the same, then you explanation is wrong.). But still have the same results with a huge group much larger than any academic study. (As well as without the biases because the people didn't know they were being watched) I pointed out the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:40 PM
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I see, you're here to circlejerk. Carry on, bro. No, seriously. When you say game, what are you talking about? What exactly do you mean by game having effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:34 PM
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A "true party phase" is one comprised of drunken sexual exploits with decent looking partners, and occasionally partners more attractive than yourself. Women easily obtain this, most men do not. Women more often have casual sex with guys better looking than themselves yes, but I don't think there's a huge gender difference here. Most guys I know with a few exceptions have gone through such a phase, including myself. This is especially the case in college, where women outnumber men. Sexual harass…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:31 PM
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That was an assumption. Do you mean basic social competence or are you talking about approaching at a 45 degree angle, isolating the target by shotgunnegging the ground and backwards merging it into another set, and then microcalibrating your anti-slut-defense?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:29 PM
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Most men do not get the luxury of a true "party phase", please. Don't even start. How would you define a "True party phase"? Actual sexual harassment is rare in the West in 2016. Rare yes but it happens, and most women have experienced it. That's something men don't face.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:52 PM
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Most white middle class women go through a "party phase" these days. Well yeah, so do most men...? It doesn't typically involve having sex with hundreds of people. Sexual harassment is so broadly defined and men are so terrified of being fired these days it's hardly an issue. Being judged on looks actually helps most women a lot. I'm talking about actual sexual harassment, not the SJW nonsense. And how is being judged on looks beneficial? You didn't answer my question btw, what do you mean that …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:44 PM
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I think you seriously underestimate the power of the pussy. I think you overestimate it. Most men have more options than slutty, non high school graduated previous drug addicts. Especially men who can be "Providers". Most of their struggles have been mitigated by modern medicine and technology. What? Sexual harassment, being judged more on looks than merits, these things are medical and technological? Please elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:32 PM
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Raw initial attraction can be made or broken with game. Game can make or break a lukewarm attraction. Source: me, I've done all those. Completely disagree with this. You're probably better looking than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:24 PM
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If by "Game" you mean "Basic social competence" then yes you can fuck up. However, you can't convince a woman to become attracted to you. Sure, you can do all sorts of tricks to maybe get her to sleep with you earlier than she normally would, leave her friends etc. But all of these things require attraction to begin with. A lot of people think "Game" works, but the actual effect they're experiencing is that they stop messing up their chances with women who actually wanted them from the get-go.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:23 PM
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I'm beginning to think that game doesn't even exist. Sure there's a few tricks you can learn but overall I think game just = not being autistic, and being sexually assertive with women. Status can make up for looks, true, but looks is such a major leg up in the SMV it's insane. Totally agree. Basically you should be good at recognizing interest, and be sexually assertive when you see an opening. If there's mutual attraction and you have some chemistry, all you have to do is to go for it. One of …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:18 PM
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I agree with the title, but not the content mostly. I seriously doubt a previous drug addict who has fucked hundreds of guys and hasn't even graduated high school will land any sort of quality man. I don't believe women have life on "Auto-pilot", they have struggles we don't have. But do they have it easier than most other people in the world? I think so. I think women have it easier because feminism have accomplished huge institutional and cultural changed that benefit them. This is especially …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:01 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/IQ4ZgIu.png This is really no better than your claim. There's no description of selection methods etc. http://i.imgur.com/qlvLS1g.png This picture doesn't really say much either. But as you can see in the article here, this notion is actually supported - they did control for looks. You could have just linked to this. Unfortunately they don't seem to have controlled for gender, which is essential since we're talking about how females differ from males. I like the approach OKc h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:49 PM
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I don't think you understand how statistics and averages work. Sure, in one certain case of a girl rating a guy 1 or 2 stars might mean that. However, when you consider a big sample and somebody gets 1-2 stars by more than a half of it - it really means that for this sample this person IS below average. It's kinda like a price is formed on a market. If the majority of people will pay 50$ and not more for something, then that's what it's worth. If for something else the same people are ready to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:58 AM
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I'm realizing that I've lost the ability to trust or respect any woman I meet. I can't see them as anything but manipulative, hamstering, irrational "feelz"-based creatures who will ruin your life at the drop of a hat. And yet when I claim this is the inevitable outcome for a lot of guys reading TRP, TRPers tell me I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:37 AM
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In the book Dataclysm, the author clarifies he has seen the same pattern on other sites without this functionality. He claims it covers half of all the single people in the United States. (a HUGE sample) So the 20/80 isn't a result of people not wanting to be contacted. Has he seen the same pattern elsewhere? So competitors allowed him access to their data? That doesn't sound very likely... In the book, he has old data of when okcupid separated out looks and personality. Guess what? Didn't matte…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:35 AM
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There's no logical reason for me to be in denial. If the 80/20 thing is true that only means I'm amongst the top 20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:21 AM
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but...but... well girls go for douchebags therefore I must act like a douche hurr dhurr
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:58 PM
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Were you also trolling at PUAhate? Because I saw you linking to sluthate just now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:50 PM
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So much hamstering in this comment. Just accept that women don't only find the top 20% of men attractive and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:49 PM
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I remember when I was in a relationship and i had to talk on the phone and listen to her, pretend that I cared for her, and all that nonsense that men have to deal with. One day her grandmother died and she wouldn't put out because of ''how sad'' she was, and then expected me to spend time with her family and show that I care. When I was sitting there amongst these old fuckers it dawned on me how there are guys out there getting laid at this moment and aren't dealing with this shit. She was attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:24 PM
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The world could do with more white supremacy to be honest Saywhat? Monogamy makes men progressively uglier, because it allows men who would otherwise not be deemed ugly, to pass on their genes. You mean the old, patriarchal world did this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:21 PM
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My point is that being a 2 apparently does not equate to being not good enough to date. Women messaged and responded to 2s more than men did. Being a 2 is more likely to disqualify you in a man's eyes than a woman's. I would be curious to see how women rated themselves. I think it would be more harsh while the guys would rate themselves more generously. That would explain why guys send such a disproportionate number of messages to the hottest women while women send and reply to less attractive m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:04 PM
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Having money/status may make a man a better partner/father, but this does not affect how sexually desirable he is. I'm too tired to dig them up now, but there have been studies that prove otherwise. You slap a rolex on a picture of a guy and women view him as more attractive than without it. There's a lot of studies on status as well, but I think the best example of this is how much ugly rock stars can get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:01 PM
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Sex-qua-sex, as in casual sex? I think it's not entirely correct. The observation that women go out of their league for casual sex in a lot of cases is correct (But not always, I've had ONS with women who are out of my league), but that's more because they simply can due to the imbalance between how much they want it, and how much men want it. A plain jane (5/10) doesn't only view the top 20% as viable for casual sex for instance. She'll probably be happy with a 6 or a 7, and won't have a shot a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:59 PM
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That's a valid point. Of course these things are subjective. But it stands to reason in a society where most men are overweight, that if a guy is not overweight and has no obvious deformities then he must be above average? I tested six such men, and they all got hammered. Above average on one metric yes. If you asked people to rate them on weight relative to the average of the population I'm sure they'd respond differently. Hey, I'm not the one saying you have to be a chad to be attractive! I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:54 PM
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But the study is specifically about looks, I can't see anything about profile text/personality. The data material they are analyzing consists of OKCupid star ratings made by OKc users who have had access to full profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:49 PM
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I'm sorry, just how is this a reply to what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:00 PM
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I disagree with the way the author chose to interpret these results. What seems to me like the much more obvious and simple explanation is that just because a woman rated a guy a 2 doesn't mean she thinks he isn't good enough for her. Maybe she also rates herself a 2, I don't know. I'd be interesting to hear others' explanations for this result. There are no real criteria for the rating other than how much you like a profile/how much it matches you. Like I tried to say in the OP, people might be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:58 PM
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BTW I agree with most of what you're saying in your post, I do believe that most women underrate the average guy, though. "Underrating" assumes that there is an objective rating, no? Anyways, BenGunn claims I have to be a chad. Let's see how many chad points I have. Height (this is the least important in my opinion) - I'm 180cm. Is that one point? Dark hair, or if not then thick hair - Nope. Thin, blonde hair. Chiselled facial features - Nope Square jaw - Nope Broad shoulders - Somewhat yes Gold…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:56 PM
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But you can look at the thread I've linked to elsewhere in these comments. All of the guys were rated at least 7/10 in attractiveness by at least one woman. So they must be halfway decent. But virtually all of them also attracted 2/10 marks, and the guy who managed to attract the highest rating of 9.5/10 was also rated by another woman as 1/10, which is basically hideous! This cannot happen the other way around. You are never going to get one guy rating a woman 9.5/10 and another guy rating her …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:45 PM
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You should discuss this with that guy... Dreznard or something? It will be fun to watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:38 PM
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What I want is for women to come up to me and ask me if I want to fuck. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:36 PM
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And we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:34 PM
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Thank you. I wish people would read before they posted, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:33 PM
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I completely disagree. Not to say that there aren't any valid points in the OP, I'm sure that there are, but it is such a myth that women don't care about looks. I have no idea why we continue to perpetuate it. Any man who suggests this is just giving them a free pass to continue with this bullshit. I am not saying women don't care about looks. I am saying they as a group do not think 80% of men are below average. You can compensate to some extent with other factors, but anyone who thinks women …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:32 PM
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Women absolutely have higher standards when it comes to casual sex, which is what a lot of guys are looking for in these types of environments. And I agree that women are usually more picky. But do women as a whole find 80% of men unattractive? I don't accept that conclusion based on any evidence I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:20 PM
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This article is specifically referring to your looks and your inbox, I don't think there is any mention of profile text. The rating system worked that way. Everytime you visited a profile, you could give it a rating from 1-5. And IIRC you could use this as a filter when searching. This rating system is where they have their numbers from. It might be true that men put in less effort into their pictures, but we would need to see a very large sample to confirm this theory. Sure, I' agree with that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:18 PM
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I don't think you understand how statistics and averages work. Sure, in one certain case of a girl rating a guy 1 or 2 stars might mean that. However, when you consider a big sample and somebody gets 1-2 stars by more than a half of it - it really means that for this sample this person IS below average. I understand statistics pretty well. Such a distribution could also take place if women have very specific "Types" they're attracted to outside of the generally superhot guys. For instance, some …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:13 PM
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Like most other pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 01:22 PM
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Do you own a fedora by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 01:13 PM
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That's great. That is also an example that has little real-life correlation. First of all, you are expecting a level of both communication and self-awareness that many people lack, especially during times of stress (you get angry at your wife, you fight, and then she asks you how your day went and lends a listening ear? Yeah, right...) That's kind of the point. You should be open with your emotions etc because this helps you develop these skills. Right, because there is nothing sexier to a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 12:12 PM
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But how, and when, and to whom? I might not disagree with you, but there are many more questions that need to be answered. The context I'm talking about in that quote is being the master of one's emotions. I'll try to answer your questions one at a time. How: By openly exploring your feelings and reactions in the presence of another person, either with their help or simply with their listening. An intuitively easy to understand example: You come home from work and greet your wife. She forgot to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 01:44 AM
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Given your warped (strawman?) view of what all those terms are referring to, I would whole-heartedly agree. Since I don't agree at all with your view of what those terms are referring to, I don't see them as contributing to failure. IIRC these are all examples I've seen TRPers use. Amused mastery as described by that rational male guy on his website: An attitude of Amused Mastery implies to a woman that by virtue of your maturity and/or authority you’ve “seen it all before”, you already know wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 01:15 AM
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Have you read The Selfish Gene? I'd recommend it. This is a common misconception. I have it somewhere. Should probably get to reading it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 12:28 AM
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Wow. That's gotta suck. I've never experienced anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 12:26 AM
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Give the strawman my regards
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 11:52 PM
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It doesn't really matter whether it's good for genetic diversity. The only thing that matters is whether it helps the individual, or more specifically, individual genes. It does actually matter. What's good for the tribe/species as a whole is what's good for the individual gene. It's the reason why altruism has evolved as well. When women have different desires, it's usually because having the same desires as other women would be evolutionarily disadvantageous to each of those individual women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 05:36 PM
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Is this a belief you developed from reading articles in the media etc, or did people actually say those things to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 05:33 PM
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Likewise, the majority of traits that people are attracted to are relatively immutable. Sexual strategy is definitely flexible, but the objective remains pretty static. If we could understand those evolutionary desires accurately, they'd be very helpful in predicting behaviour. The problem is, we don't understand them. Personal experience (and conventional psychology) ends up being a much more reliable metric. Well AFAIK we understand the basics of our desires : Men prefer women who look young, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 05:08 PM
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Interesting. Where are you from? In what kind of situations did people tell you that you were a creep, pervert or a rapist for expressing sexual desire? What kind of people said these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 05:03 PM
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quid pro quo It absolutely a part of a relationship yes. But then there's also the fact that if you love someone, you want to make that person happy anyways, regardless of whether you get something back. And this sort of logic also applies to friendships. So your question still doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 01:40 PM
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I get what you're saying. I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that it's any such thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 01:37 PM
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Ok. I don't share your definition. As you probably understand this makes your question meaningless to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 01:11 PM
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Of course it's real. Just like nationalism is real. I think you're defining it differently from what other people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 01:08 PM
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This is not what you said. You said Why would you want a best friend that's only with you to get something out of you? So, do you think people are in relationships ONLY to get something out of the other person?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 01:04 PM
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Why would you want a best friend that's only with you to get something out of you? Is that what you think a relationship is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 01:00 PM
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The "Bond" is the sociopsychological aspect. It is real in the same aspect that "Team spirit" is real in a sports team. It consists of your knowledge of one another, shared values, shared memories and experiences etc. Of course it's all in you and your partners head. Where else would it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:59 PM
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We're not wired to "bond emotionally." We're wired to feel like we do. And there's a difference. You're not making any sense. Please take some time to evaluate whether what you're writing is communicating the message you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:50 PM
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I've had sex with friends before yes. Most of the ONS I've had were not friends. If I'm in a relationship with someone (that means having sex), then that person should both be my lover and my best friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:48 PM
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There is no evidence of a magical bond that unites two people who've had sex--nor anything outside a response of a biologically-explainable nature. There's no magic, there's no "love." Why are you saying this to me? I literally stated this in my first reply to you. Yes, it is explainable by neurological and sociopsychological factors. However, the explanation is a lot more complex than you suggest. And there is also a qualitative difference between romantic love and sexual lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:45 PM
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Becoming an alpha male.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:37 PM
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Not really. Yes, it's much more complicated. You're talking like a 1950s behaviorist. If your description was true, people would experience a romantic connection by taking cocaine next to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:35 PM
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We're wired to get a dopamine release when we're around someone or fucking with someone who's physically attractive. That much is true. It's a bit more complex than that, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:26 PM
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I read that as more of an ideal, not an observation. You think in an ideal world you could never truly be the friend of someone you have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:19 PM
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We're wired to bond emotionally. There's nothing supernatural about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:15 PM
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Likewise
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:12 PM
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Yeah this is my experience too. I mean, how would that scenario even appen: Guy: "Wow, she's hot. I wanna bang her." Woman: "RAPIST!!!" It's not that shocking though. Many of the conversations used as examples of how to handle "Shit tests" also seem very unrealistisc. Like they're taken out of a movie or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 11:26 AM
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Eastern European ways lol, Norway isn't east europe dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 11:21 AM
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But when a man wants sex from a woman, feminists will say he's a creep or a pervert or a rapist. For instance, if a man comments, "I'd fuck her." it's considered okay to criticize him because he has "no right" to "sexualize" her. Criticizing male sexual desire is what feminism is all about. Does anyone actually do this outside of the internet? I've never experienced this double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 02:18 AM
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Solid post. My tinder profile is 100% dick/shirtless pics and I match with everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 02:15 AM
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I think trying to categorize human sexuality based on taxonomies from the animal kingdom is difficult. We are the dominant species because everything about us - including our sexual strategies - is flexible. Evolutionary psychology can teach us about where our impulses come from, but when it comes to what we actually do it has to be understood in a sociopsychological and cultural perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 10:39 AM
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But we didn't know how genes worked for most of our human history. For a while we thought it was fine and dandy for siblings and cousins to marry each other. Did we? I thought that was only royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 10:35 AM
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It's worth pointing out that there is no need for humans to rationally have understood that sex leads to pregnancy and/or that males contributed heritable traits. I think it would be pretty difficult to raise and breed livestock if this was the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:57 PM
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Oh and please. With EVERY single benefit you have as a white guy? This is the wrong way of putting it. White people aren't advantaged in the western world - non-whites are disadvantaged. You would do absolutely no one any favors by disempowering white people. You would do everyone a favor by empowering non-whites. It's not a zero sum game.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:48 PM
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I actually laughed. Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 10:52 PM
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If something IRL contradicts an evolutionary theory, you need to reassess the theory. They don't. Their concepts have classical pseudoscience characteristics. They're formulated in a way that's just vague enough so that they can be molded and applied differently to every situation. Think that situation disproved hypergamy? Nuh-uh, you just don't have deep understanding of the nuances of hypergamy! It's funny. If I didn't have observable evidence to guide my evo-psych principles, I'm pretty sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 10:51 PM
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Post a picture of a below average girl then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 09:42 PM
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To control for mere exposure effect, yes, good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 09:42 PM
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I reread your post and realized my mistake but I'm not going to admit it. Fixed that for you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 09:40 PM
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The thing you guys don't seem to understand is that when a high SMV alpha is dominating she likes it. It raises his perceived SMV even further and turns her on. Which exact type of "Dominating" are you referring to here? And what have I done to give you the impression that I "don't unserstand"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 03:26 PM
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Well I guess you have your experimental design pretty much wrapped up there. Only thing that's needed is a control group to test for the possible effect of novel stimuli.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 01:03 PM
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You make the same mistake again. That is still an ad hominem. You are attacking his knowledge of biology, a property of OP, not a property of the argument itself. OP could have failed middle school biology and have a verified IQ of 72 but if he said "plants perform photosynthesis" it wouldn't make it any less true. You clearly didn't read my posts. Read it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 12:52 PM
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I could probably design an experiment proposal. What's the hypothesis?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 12:46 PM
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The vast majority of men do not get casual sex. They don't get one-night stands. They don't get FWBs. Only super hot guys get those. Therefore the vast majority of women are not sexually attracted to men who aren't chad. And apparently if your experience doesn't chime in with this, you're actually chad in disguise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 12:45 PM
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the fact that women only find 20% of men attractive You mean the fact that on OKCupid, women rated 80% of the pictures of male users as below average in a situation where you can give someone 1-5 stars, and a rating of 4 or 5 on this scale gives the recepient a notification that someone has liked him. This thing is blown out of proportion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 12:43 PM
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Poopinmybottom(god, what a name) quite clearly mentioned using TRP tactics to control a partner For example, attempting to control a partner using tactics from TRP. To which you reply: My experience is that people who say things like this are low SMV and only know of relationships which focus on beta traits. Of course girls don't tolerate alpha behavior from a weak man. So have you gone back on this position then, or did you just miss the part where he specifically outlined controlling behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 12:32 PM
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ad ho·mi·nem ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adverb & adjective 1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. Right. Emphasis on the last part - rather than the position they are maintaining. An ad hominem attack would be something like "You're a redpiller, thus you have poor reasoning skills. Since you have poor reasoning skills, your argument is wrong". iwillnotgetaddicted quite clearly directs most of his text toward the actual position maintained by O…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 12:29 PM
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I think this is a valuable perspective. Sexual chemistry is a thing. And to some women (but not all), it's very important that they feel safe with a man if they're going to let themselves go sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 12:04 PM
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You millenials are weird ass fuckers. This is fairly normal stuff to be interested in, and discuss, with a new GF, surely ? Was for me. I'm actually on your side here. It's a natural thing to discuss if a relationship is progressing. Hell, even if it's not going to be exclusive. In my experience it's usually the girl who brings it up, and I take it as a sign that she wants something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:56 AM
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Do you lie about your partner count?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:53 AM
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I don't think you know what an ad hominem is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:49 AM
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I applaud this reply. This type of black and white thinking that seems so rampant amongst trpers isn't discussed enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:49 AM
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I hope you're a troll for your own sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:38 AM
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From 1-10 7.5 6 6 6.5 5.5 6 I would categorize all except for number 1 as absolutely not my type at all. I can imagine other guys finding them attractive, but I certainly don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:35 AM
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Those types of people don't tend to come on /r/purplepilldebates because they don't feel the need to debate it. They see flaws which are obvious to them, and that's that. They don't look at it any further. I think you're on to something here. Most normal, well-adjusted and functioning people don't find the PUA community or TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:30 AM
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Do you have anything to base this on? My experience is that people who say things like this are low SMV and only know of relationships which focus on beta traits. Of course girls don't tolerate alpha behavior from a weak man. Two questions for you? Do you think controlling behavior is an "Alpha trait" that makes you radiate confidence? If you compare an insecure, damaged woman to a confident, self-assured one - which one of these would tolerate controlling behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 11:29 AM
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For example, at my work, we hold a women's group for our co-workers to sit and discuss issues in our lives, be it at home, in relationships, etc. If someone in this group, in the middle of talking, suddenly blurted out "Excuse me, men do that as well all the time, stop talking about it as if it's specific to your gender", they would be viewed as rude and callous. Eh. I think a more fitting comparison would be if someone said "Black peope always take vacant seats on the bus. Why do black people d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 01:28 AM
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Too many really hot girls were starfish/had no idea and needed to be schooled = boring (one of the reasons I think girls with low n counts are usually pretty average fucks, imo low n count =/= good) I haven't had one girl do the "starfish" I think. Could you elaborate on exactly what it is? And kissing, esp after an LTR, kissing new people can be strange, finding that sweet spot where it's 'easy' isn't always easy Haha yes I get this. However, I tend to look at how well your kissing goes as a ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 02:46 PM
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Actually 2D:4D is a real thing. It correlates with prenatal testosterone exposure. And I was taught that in my Psych 101 course five years ago btw, not on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 11:48 AM
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But I must add, there were people like that on PUAhate too. You think they're trolls for a while because they're kind of funny and joke around, but they're dead serious about their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 11:40 AM
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Second, you don't even lift. You're making that shit up for image. I actually laughed. But do you know this ciswhite guy? And you know that he does not get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 11:38 AM
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You haven't actually substantiated the claim that my post is low quality with a single argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 11:30 AM
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anyway good talking to someone who comes from a similar background dude! Likewise
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 11:23 AM
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Like treating women as regular people instead of treating them like hypergamous teenagers who are incapable of love?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 11:21 AM
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Observe first, a notorious survey from 2009. The results confirmed what evolutionary psychologists had known for decades. When men rate women, their ratings followed a bell curve. However when women rate men, the distribution resembled the power law. *Women rate 80% of men as below median, with only the top 1% coming close to the standard of ‘most attractive’. * This study confirmed what any observant person already knew: women are sexier than men and a lot more picky too. That's not exactly tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 11:20 AM
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what sort of stuff have you been doing to improve the parts of you that hindered yourself? For the most part it's been having an awareness of how people react. I have some good friends who give me some constructive advice from time to time as well. Other than that, it's kind of hard to articulate. I've tried being more open, tried being more aware of what kind of man I want to be etc. Sometimes I ask myself why I have to do this stuff when it seems to come so natural to other people, then I reme…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 01:09 AM
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I sure hope so
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:27 PM
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I have the feeling that your math operates under the premise that all humans in the world only have a single relationship in their life with a single partner and that's why it doesn't work out for you. Because one woman for every man, right? In reality people throughout their sexually active lifetime will have hookups, brief relationships, long relationships, and with different people, some of whom will be more popular than others. Of course people don't only have one relationship. However, peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:10 PM
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I yelled? What? Where? You said I'm disrespectful and thus what I write likely isn't of high quality. That is a logical fallacy that allows you to avoid adressing actual arguments. If you just disagree without saying why, I have no reason to not assume you just disagree because it's ciriticism of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:03 PM
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Is he really? Awful lot of effort required then.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:01 PM
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If you do the maths this doesn't leave enough men for everyone. Besides, the matching hypothesis disproves this idea of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 10:34 PM
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You know there are people with AIDS because doctors say there are. If men with life experience like many of the older red pillers have say that women are only attracted to chads, then I better believe them instead of believing the alpha blue pillers who've met nothing but success with women. Who, except for you, are saying this? Show me an example of one person. The Country where women did by far the most approaching was the us? Yup. How did you have some really hot women if they were above your…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 10:34 PM
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If we assume beauty is normally distributed, then every average looking man who pairs up with a below-average looking woman increases the ratio of average women to average men. So if there are enough of these guys, that's good news for average men then.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 10:27 PM
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That's interesting. A lot of similar things held me back actually, especially when it comes to the debating and arguing thing. I've realized this is part of who I am, and instead of stopping myself from discussing things like politics etc I've taught myself to be a better listener and to have more fruitful debates where I don't always have to end up on top. In my experience though a lot of women are very attracted to a well-spoken man. Ironically a problem I used to have (which I still to some e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 10:24 PM
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Do they agree with you though? I made a topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3y7qbp/do_trpers_agree_with_bengunnsilver_are_women_only/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 10:05 PM
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Ok. When BenGunn talks about perfection he means there's a set physical standard, "Chad", that every woman wants, and he is perfect in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 10:03 PM
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Alone as in sexless, no. Although there are probably women who are so hideous that no man she has a realistic chance of meeting will sleep with her. Alone as in partnerless, I think if they can't accept someone in their league that's another issue. There aren't enough of these fetish guys to partner up with every fat woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 10:02 PM
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Ok yes, I see where you're going now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 09:40 PM
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I don't see any couples? But a fetish is a fetish. It's not normal, and doesn't mean any ugly woman can shoot waaaaaay out of her league. I don't know what circles you hang around, but I've heard tons of guys talking about fucking fat girls because it's easy. Maybe you hang around people who do that then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 09:31 PM
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That's how it was with me as well. What other areas do you think are hindering you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 09:19 PM
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I could do that. It's not a legendary story of rockstar lifestyles, but there are definitive lines of thought I have dropped which have had specific consequences for my interactions with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 09:17 PM
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Do you only want perfection, and you're unhappy with anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 09:08 PM
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So basically it's not really working that well, right? Earlier you questioned why people would be convinced of an idea that didn't provide results. Isn't that kind of the situation you're in now?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 09:07 PM
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The comment he replied to did not reply to the question, as is evident by my comment above.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 09:03 PM
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It's no skin off my back what you think. The proof, as always, is in the pudding: Standard red pill ideas, despite going against everything I was taught for decades, get me laid like tile. I can easily get a prospect on a first date from online, and have a good chance of fuck-closing on date 1, no later than date 2. I've gone from near-incel to true abundance, from furitively jerking it to porn to first-date anal. Got a stable of plates and the knowledge that I can get more when these ones fall …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:59 PM
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i dont think youre right, i get your point. its just wrong TRP does NOT blame women for why men fail, it blames men not understanding female nature. i really dont care if youstand on your head and spit golden quarters, youre wrong You haven't gotten the point. I'm done repeating myself. I don't think we'll get any further in this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:40 PM
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Its truth is self-evident to anyone who has a clue what dread game is. This is literally a circular argument. But never mind, this whole conversation is a great example of why the main red pill subreddit has a defined hierarchy of posters and is ruled with an iron fist. Otherwise, every person with an opinion would demand a right ('censorship') to post whatever feelings they had, whether or not that prose was useful with regards to getting one's prick sucked, and then be whining about 'well prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:38 PM
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This is just semantics. I think you've gotten my point by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:24 PM
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So uh, sorry if I'm blunt here but, you didn't get laid from doing PUA?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:23 PM
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I'm confused. "No status"? You were asking: Sorry, typo. I meant men with no standards. By which you were referring to my statement about men who would easily have sex with or date fat feminists, while being above their league, yes? The ones who have no standards, not no status. In that case, I'd say most women could find guys who are even 4 to 5 "levels" above their SMV for casual sex. So a 2/10 feminist could have sex with a guy that could be a 6/10 or even a 7/10, if she was readily available…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:21 PM
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those arent moral judgments and women arent "bad" for being that way. those are detached assessments of female mating behavior. if i say males are naturally polygynous and would collect concurrent harems given their druthers, without regard to the feelings of the women involved, its not a moral judgment either your are inserting your own morality into amoral analases You still don't get it. I'm not talking about morals. I'm talking about who is pointed out as the causes of the failure of the mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:19 PM
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you make it sound like most women go around approaching men who aren't chads. When the truth is that I spend so much time out of the house(not this month tho) and I don't see that happen at all. I don't even see women establish eye contact with men in their league. Wow. You know what? I've never seen a person with AIDS. How can there be people with AIDS when I don't see them? Maybe in scandinavia women just have higher levels of T and will fuck anyone who doesn't look like a troll. I don't know.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:10 PM
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no it doesnt the icky MGTOWS stinking it up do, because they are moralizer who demonize female nature TRP does NOT hold that theres anything "wrong with women" fo rhaving female nature. this is simply false By "Wrong" I mean the assertions that women are not loyal, cannot love, will branch jump, are all the same, and act like teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:03 PM
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Calling it a "Shitpost" and "Trash" has no substance unless you back it up with arguments. It's just circular logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:02 PM
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Incels? When it comes to overall attractiveness? Often 3-4 or less I'd say. Not incels - the men with no status who are snagged by the feminists/fatties. They're 5 or above then? Perhaps they did. If they were rich, or top students at a good university and intelligent, or talented at something, or whatever. Status is something a lot of women value as men value attractiveness, after all. But that is unimportant. As I said, if they would reject an unattractive woman given the chance, they are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 07:57 PM
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I'm not saying only slutty women like that. Most women like fit guys. But the slutty women are more forgiving of the weird trp-behavior because they just want to fuck anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 07:29 PM
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I also think a lot of the ideas in PUA are counterproductive though. What schools do you follow? And may I ask how successful have you been?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 07:00 PM
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Ah yes, the classic SJW ideal of demanding censorship of ideas you disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 06:48 PM
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As a male of sufficient SMV to have standards, who presumably befriends other men of the same social strata, you will probably find them far away from you. What type of SMV do these men have then? Well, this may seem biased, but the best place to ask for an explanation on why the dispute between the MRM and feminism isn't "balanced" and not "both sides are equally wrong/right" I'm not saying both sides are equally right. But both sides are right about something. Did their standards only extend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 06:42 PM
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Pretty much. Unless your friends are hot the women who approached them weren't attracted to them. The women were either desperate or drunk. Astounding how many women I've met who are desperate then. Who chase after men, give them dreamy looks, laugh at everything they say, touch them, kiss them in front others on purpose, and cry their eyes out when they're dumped. They're all just really good actors right, BenGunn? Because it couldn't be that you're wrong. Nope, that would never happen. I cold …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 06:29 PM
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No, its not. TRP is a tool that many men use to free themselves from the romantic nonsense that any guy can get laid. That is a lie. A lie created by feminism in order to ensure every woman has at least one man at any given time pursuing her, validating her existence, giving her attention and presents and time and effort. Yes, this is what they planned at their meetings. Rumor has it they all laughed like maniacs while thunderclaps went off when they hatched this evil scheme. When the truth in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 06:26 PM
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Glad we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 06:21 PM
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It both does and it doesn't. It answers the question "Why am I not getting laid? I'm a nice and considerate guy" with "Because women are hypergamous branch jumpers who only want alpha males and can't love you like you love them and they're basically teenagers.". That's the primary reason TRP gives - you're not getting laid as a normal decent man because women have these vile tendencies. That's where TRP removes blame from the person. And then it tells the person "You have to do this stuff in ord…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 06:21 PM
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I'm Scandinavian, so Bernie Sanders is the obvious candidate I'd like to see as the US President. Why? Because he's pointing out and challenging things that are obvious problems in the US. Prison policies, gun policies, the insane system of health care insurance, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 06:08 PM
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It seems this comparison debate doesn't go anywhere because we have fundamentally different opinions on the effectiveness of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 06:06 PM
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"Disrespectful"? I'm not really under the impression that ideas are supposed to be respected. AFAIK that's a SJW line of thought. I think the quality of the content of what someone writes is distinct from the motivation of the writer. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 06:04 PM
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Yeah there is a confirmation bias, but I think the problem of selection bias is also a big deal. RP attracts men who prefer to sleep around but aren't very good at it. I'm not trying to be mean, but people who are wildly successful with the opposite sex don't go on Internet forums looking for advice. Exactly. They don't realize that not all men actually want to sleep around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:38 PM
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Absolutely they do. I think the SMV-improving things (lifting etc) causes them to be attractive enough for the subset of very slutty women. These women look past all the TRP nonsense because they just want sex anyways. This gives TRP men the impression that all women are sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:37 PM
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Similarly, imagine this scenario: Lois is a VP in marketing for a Big Pharma company whose job it is to give press presentations about a new brand of hemorrhoid cream. Lois is having a psychotic episode and has decided to give her presentation while wearing skimpy lingerie. If the male executives pressure her to dress less sexually or be fired, they're called misogynists by mainstream feminists. Hahahah no dude, she would immediately be fired. And feminists would not flock to her defense since s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:30 PM
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Besides, you are playing strawmen. You are not refuting my arguments, you are simply saying "but what about the reverse??!??" Well that's not what this discussion is about. You know how some people complain that feminists make everything about them? Some people make everything about men too, like you are doing now. Just thought I'd cheer you on for this very accurate observation
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:26 PM
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If a man tells a woman to wear skimpy clothing (to parade her around like a sex object), he's a misogynist. And even if a man tells a woman to wear modest clothing (out of respect), he's still a "misogynist". Wait. What? But if a woman decides on her own to wear skimpy clothing (to parade herself around like a sex object), it's "feminism". And if a woman decides on her own to wear modest clothing (out of respect), it's still "feminism". Unlike traditional religions that set certain fixed standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:24 PM
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I was in the community for 2 years, didn't realize it actually was like that until the end of year 2. When I finally broke free (and kept some of the good parts of PUA) I immediately started getting better results. How long have you been doing PUA?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:18 PM
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As much as I disagree with TRP principles, I actually agree with this post. TRP's good side is that it welcomes the bottom tier men and gives them hope. It could give them some better ideas though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:14 PM
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1) Many things blue pillers say to this effect does not make sense in other context. "Good poker players don't spend their time discussing poker on /r/poker. They just go out and play poker." "Actual blackbelts have no use for a dojo." "Business men don't want to sit around and read about the deals that other businessmen make." It's a bad analogy. First you have to ask yourself: How do people find TRP? Most likely the same way people used to find PUA. They google stuff like "How to get laid" or …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:11 PM
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By having TRP include some common sense stuff (lift, confidence etc), TRP can convienently claim that everyone who uses that stuff has discovered Red Pill truths. But they aren't really Red Pill truths, they are well known truths that TRP also uses. So, the color of your strategy is neither. Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:03 PM
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TRP is a form of a defense mechanism called "Projection". TRP allows men to project their failures onto women. There's nothing wrong with them, they just did the logical thing (Trademark nice guy). Women, however, are hypergamous cock carosel riding shittesters and AWALT. These are the cold hard facts of life. Which amount to "Nothing is wrong with you, everything is wrong with women, you have to follow this recipe to crack the code". TRP also creates a very simple, predictable world where women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:58 AM
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It doesn't work that way. If she likes you, she likes you and wants you to like her. Negging can work by making her even more insecure if she's already very, very insecure, but this is bordering on emotional abuse. If she doesn't like you, negging doesn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:52 AM
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Still illegal in most of the US though. Ever wonder why? Hey, I'm all for legalization. For the simple reason that incels need sex as well, and there are women who are willing to do that for money. After that at my work we all had to go to mandatory sexual harassment training and later sexual assault training. They told us we could lose our whole career with one word from a female coworker. After that I always saw female colleagues as dangerous criminals who could wreck my career on a whim, out …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:50 AM
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Of course this is how you have to delude yourself to support someone like trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:40 AM
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Yeah you didn't read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:39 AM
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So Norwegian women are only one cm shorter than me LOL. FeelsBadMan. Most women are my height at least the women I come across in my day to day. You guys have 13 cms advantage over Norwegian women, you guys have it good. The average Norwegian man has that. And the difference is probably the same in germany. My explanation is that the women have low self-esteem or were rejected by chad and therefore lower their expectations but aren't really attracted to your friends. Right....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:37 AM
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Work how? What do you think it accomplishes?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:34 AM
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Mystery Method, David DeAngelo, lots and lots and lots of RSD stuff, and tons of other gurus I will remember if I read about them. What generally went wrong was in a huge amount of instances where I applied PUA teachings in a conversation, it would weird out the girl. For instance, every time I thought a woman was shit testing me and I had to respond in some kind, it would create a very unnatural social atmosphere. It weirded women out. PUA also gets you stuck inside your head. Sometimes during …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:33 AM
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You can put PUA at a scale where the left part is "Outer game(doing stuff to manipulate) and the right part is "Inner game"(Changing your mindset etc). TRP is somewhere in the middle. There were PUA schools who did not emphasize techniques and outer game as much as TRP. Stuff like dread game, handling shit-tests etc is outer game. Nothing is new in TRP really. Just a few new acronyms.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:28 AM
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Some would, most don't have to. Hypergamy is at work and any woman, even a shrieking feminist can snatch males far above her league for sex ( I heard high SMV men talking about fucking fat women because they were an easy lay all the time ), or some provider for a relationship. Some incels even made an OkCupid experiment with the most horrible misandrist profile imaginable, and their fake profile still got messages from men. Fat feminist women don't need to date someone in their own league in ord…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:24 AM
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Wouldn't you say the differences that characterize gender and race are differences in SES?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:20 AM
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Go ahead and discuss it in the post then.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:54 AM
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You're free to discuss this in the actual post brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:54 AM
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Average height 167 cm for women. Average heigh for men, 180cm. And most of my friends are average height, average build. Some women find them attractive, but they don't stand out in a crowd "Exquisite facial features and a perfect body", I don't know anyone like that. So what's your explanation?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:51 AM
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Well, that's how it is sometimes. But ain't nothing one can do but soldier on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:43 AM
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I object to the implication that "forever alone" virgins made up MGTOW because they couldn't find a partner, because of their failure as men. Ad hominem. Why not say the same thing about feminists? They hate men because they're fat and ugly and can't find a husband? I'm not saying that, but that's a close parallel to what you said. It's not really a paralell. Feminists don't "Go their own way". They still like men. I didn't say virgins, but I'm saying the attitude is kind of "Sour grapes". I wis…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:41 AM
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This is a good approach, until you don't encounter any indications of interest! Truth. Best approach is maybe just being social and meeting people through friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:28 AM
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It's a difficult question. I think young men are born into a worse world than young women, and this is evident by most statistics on school dropout rates, suicide rates etc in the entire western world. I just wanted to chime in that especially in the US gender issues shouldn't be top priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:10 AM
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Average height for most. So average height is Chad? Remember women are taller in Norway as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:08 AM
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Do foreigners think Americans care when they say that? Oh yes, I personally know many americans who care. And I think maybe you should as well. Maybe when the other countries who don't have kids shooting up their school every day, who don't have the largest prison population in the world, and who don't have to worry that they won't have money for fricking healthcare - maybe when they laugh at something, they've got a point?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:07 AM
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No on this planet has free health care. There is health care paid for by a person (single payer insurance or work provided) and there is collective health care planning. Offer specific criticisms and rejections of my idea. I was obviously referring to taxpayer financed health care. Higher educational costs have come from government loans (and poor decisions by students). Elaborate Low wages are a result of low skills. Nope. American worker productivity has steadily increased while wages have not…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 01:05 AM
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I... honestly don't know where to start. But I'll try to keep it simple: The resources you're born with in the shape of your family's education, wealth, mental health, physical health, social network and community are much, much stronger determinants of your opportunities in life that your gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:46 AM
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Actually the fable of the fox and the grapes is a rebuttal. It provides an alternative explanation for why "Many guys are going MGTOW". So what do you think about that? Is it a plausible alternative? I'm not a US citizen so I can't speak for your laws. I think marriage is nice if you love someone and want to spend your life with them. Alimony laws are pretty strict over here. The higher earning partner (that means either male or female) can be required to support the other one in the case of a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:39 AM
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But sadly, if a woman isn't a landwhale she is automatically part of the 7/10 + club and she can demand a chad. Really? Because all my male friends have standards way above "Not being a landwhale", and they're far from chads. How do you explain that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:28 AM
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Ok I have to take that back, Vladimir Putin likes trump. The industrializes, democratic western world is laughing at you for supporting trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:27 AM
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Inequality is not the problem. Equality of opportunity is. Lack of opportunity comes from government intervention and leftist policies more than anything. Really? Is this why the top ranking countries on equality all have strong government institutions and leftist policies? Is this why the income and wealth inequality in the US decreased hand-in-hand with the rise of neoclassical economics and financial deregulation? I mean, do you even remember why the financial crisis of 2008 happened in the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:24 AM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:15 AM
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In the scenario from the comic the actual reaction from the woman would be "Oh my god like totally leave my table you creep, seriously"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:14 AM
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So did I. Turns out the real effect came from the confidence I got from PUA.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:13 AM
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Which is why I find the favorable strategy (and the only one that can be called a strategy that works) is to get very good at recognizing signs of interest and acting on them. Minimal chance of rejection. Obviously you're missing a lot of women who don't show immediate signs of interest when they see you. But honestly I've lost the balls to cold approach lol, I hate rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:11 AM
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Have you ever heard the fable about the fox and the grapes?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:08 AM
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Hear hear!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:05 AM
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I beg to differ. Name one idea from TRP that isn't copied from the PUA community. And remember the PUA community is(was) waaaaay bigger than just Mystery Method and negs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:03 AM
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Negging is stupid, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 12:01 AM
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Haha jesus that's dark.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 11:58 PM
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Neither. Socioeconomic status is what seperates us, not gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 11:48 PM
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Ah of course, default response 'lower your standards' I didn't say that. I wanted to see if he actually had high standards. I'd say that girl is a typical plain jane. My friend is less attractive than her. here is a regular meme she posts Women can cry objectification, men who don't make the cut are just losers I don't get your point. Aren't you allowed to be attracted to good looking men unless you're good looking yourself? Would you be pissed at an ugly male friend if he posted a similar thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 11:44 PM
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If you play by the feminist definition of "Masculine = Dumb" then yes, he is extremely masculine. The typical trump voter is old, poorly educated, and just as likely to be a woman as a man. I have no idea how people can support that rambling idiot. The entire world is laughing at you guys for supporting him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 11:41 PM
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I couldn't care less about her body, personality matters to me most. However, if you think a fat feminist woman would be interested in someone in her own league rather than being hypergamous, or that she would ditch her 50 shades of Grey fantasies to date submissive nerds, or that she would accord a male just as much empathy or unconditional and respectful treatment as she expects in return, then you are sorely mistaken. So they'd rather be alone then? Yes, you clearly aren't very engrossed in e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 11:34 PM
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I don't like them all. Women? Really? They'll buy drink for Chad or someone they can see as valuable for them, so will many women. Of course they have to be attracted to you. If by "Chad" you mean you have to be perfect then that's rubbish. If a feminist doesn't want to be judged by her body or superficially, she should not judge men by their body, or their status. If she thinks a woman is allowed to do and say "this and that", then so is a man allowed to. If she wouldn't like being demure and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 12:39 PM
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So do you don't like women at all or what? In my experience the least "Gender-role" fixated women are either feminists or very determined career women. The latter have very high standards (since they themselves usually are of very high quality), the former doesn't neccesarily. You may not agree with feminism on a lot of stuff, but these girls will buy you drinks etc. It's nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 11:12 AM
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My bad then. I guess all your aggressive posts about male inceldom kind of implied this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 11:04 AM
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I thought you said earlier that you're an incel who would date any woman? Now there are contingencies?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 11:00 AM
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He gets really worked up over politics and he cheerleads for a a higher status male (Trump). If he actually cheerleads for trump that should be enough for the entire manosphere to collectively ignore him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 10:59 AM
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In sharp contrast to rape date, when you date someone without their consent during a rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 10:55 AM
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Would you date this girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 10:54 AM
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This made my morning "I consent" priceless
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 10:53 AM
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I actually would want a cool open minded nerdy (I mean nerdy and less geeky, there is a difference)"blue pill" gf Would you date this girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 10:51 AM
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I disagree. There is no "Natural tendancy for hypergamy". This makes no sense. Read my alternative here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TRPcore/comments/3xyysh/my_alternative_model_of_sexual_dynamics_and_how/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 09:17 PM
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A minority of men are very promiscous - yes this is true. The same applies to women. This does not mean 90% of women go for 10% of men. It's likely that these 10% have had sex with a huge share of women. It's also likely that if you've had a few ONS, one of them has been a very promiscous woman who has had sex with a lot of other men. Of course by comparison the average amount of partners seems small. This is not because "sober women aren't as much willing to put out with the 90% of sub-standard…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 02:07 PM
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Definately. The fact that bengunn is lurking and downvoting our posts proves that we're actually chads in disguise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 10:51 AM
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It's explained in the article - paid leave means women take a longer leave with their children, which makes their home environment less stressful in the long term, which means they can perform better and are less likely to quit a stressful job.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 01:13 AM
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Ok, apparently I have to explain this in very simple terms: You mention two facts: Plenty of women succeed in having families and later pursuing a political career. To which I reply: There are less female politicians than male, as is in all high stress career positions. It is likely that if women leave their job during their chilbearing years and stay out of the career loop for long enough, they will lag behind their male counterparts. Moreover, there are virtually no women of child-bearing age …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:36 PM
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What about in cases where the guy is genuine, he thinks if he's the above women will want him. Oh. If that's all he has to offer he's obviously wrong. He shouldn't go all TRP and try to act badass, but he should develop other traits to go along with the ones he has.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:21 PM
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Plenty of women succeed in having families and later pursuing a political career. Moreover, there are virtually no women of child-bearing age who are in politics. But less of them do than men, correct? It's not really laborious. The logic is quite clear. You can't just get into political office out of nowhere, it requires a long career of dedication and work. If you're out of the loop for 5-6 years (due to a scenario like the one above), you may be out for good.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:19 PM
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Really? "Mothers were able to take the time they needed to bond with their babies and return to their jobs feeling confident and ready. And it's much better for Google's bottom line — to avoid costly turnover, and to retain the valued expertise, skills, and perspective of our employees who are mothers." You don't think this applies to politics? Women are more likely to drop out of the race and find a less demanding job to prioritize their child if they get a bad start.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:00 PM
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Ok I get you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 10:58 PM
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The concept does exist. In my country there are clauses about government representation etc having to be 50% female, although women make up a much smaller share of the pool of politicians which mininsters and such are chosen from.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 10:51 PM
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I think this is what it comes down to. If she can never get more than a ONS with an 8+ man, she's probably deluding herself if she thinks she can get an 8+ man for a relationship (although that self-delusion may be common). But I think there are plenty of girls who will have a 10- or 15-week quasi-relationship with a guy -- they go out on a few dates, sleep together, maybe do "couples stuff" like making fajitas together -- and then for whatever reason it ends. Are they dating? Are they in a rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 10:34 PM
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Although i'd ask what about genuine guys that are told that being/kind/sensitive/gentle is what women want? Not sure what exactly you're asking here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 10:20 PM
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If you try to actively be kind and sensitive in order to build attraction, that will never work. Mostly because it's fake and manipulative - you're just trying to say what she wants to hear. However being kind as a personality trait can be part of an attractive "Package" that makes women feel safe and special. There's no reason you can't combine that with being a bit cocky, joking around a bit or being dominant. Being kind and sensitive is about taking care of her when she actually needs it. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 10:12 PM
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If women were in relationships with these men, that would be an accurate comparison. Casual hookups are qualitatively different from relationships. The fact that these men won't commit, and the probable lack of initiative from them, is one of the reasons why women realize they're playing out of their league. It's like you've being doing a lot of free internships, but when you actually apply for a paid job you can't get a job at the same companies or positions. That's a better comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 10:07 PM
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Much of that advice is solid. Be yourself, have integrity... Disagree with the patience part a bit. I think one should have sex as fast as possible when dating a woman. But nowhere in this article is it saying that the only thing you need is to be "kind/patient/sensitive and you'll find someone". Those things help if you have other attractive qualities as well. If you're extremely boring and don't take care of your looks, these things don't make you a better prospective partner. If you look good…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 09:41 PM
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I'd like to see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 09:22 PM
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No, I'm not saying that. I asked you earlier if you hit on these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 09:01 PM
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Sure, people have types, totally agree. Have them myself. I was just pointing out that celebrities are attractive to many people because they are celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:58 PM
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Nah, I know some hot early 20s girls have preference for older men. I'm nowhere near 35 myself (27) but so far It's only getting easier to get with the 20-21-ish girls. Only thing that changes is that women around my age sometimes get mad about it. Like "What could you possibly have in common with her?". Even though they themselves dated older guys when they were younger. So I actually don't agree with the OP. Your post just gave me that vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:49 PM
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Sure, that could be the case. I'm just saying what's typical. If lots of women see him as "Just a friend" and are dating less attractive men, I think the chance that it's because they all have atypical preferences is kind of low.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:45 PM
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These comments always seem so try-hard and artificial. Like when Andy says "Bags of sand" in 40 year old virgin. Not saying you're lying of course, you may very well be telling the truth. It's just the vibe I get from every TRP "Look at how alpha I am" comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:41 PM
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You're protecting your ego. Instead of accepting that you are an unusual case, you try to convince yourself that 90% of men are like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:36 PM
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Yes, they prefer them in the fantasy world where they can actually choose between celebrities. My point is that those guys are attractive because of their status. I'm guessing you enjoyed the Pianist and Sherlock more than White House down, and you probably like the roles they play as well. It's the same for guys - Emma Watson and Jennifer lawrence are loved for their personalities and roles way more than Scarlett Johanson and Jessica Alba for a lot of guys (who are more classically attractive).…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:35 PM
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90% of sub-standard males (I believe 90/10 is a better proportion than 20/80) I still suspect that a lot of men don't get laid but are too conditioned by social shaming to lie and exaggerate their sex count. (btw, I had sex with about 10k women, cross my heart). Another example of how the idea of 80/20 is a defense mechanism.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:25 PM
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Women are intersted in many different guys at a time, just like men. They'd probably not want to risk rejection that much, just like men. Maybe they'd approach guys in their own league.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:23 PM
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Options: You are actually less attractive than these men You are not the visual type of these women Something about your personality, social standing or behavior is unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:07 PM
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http://uk.businessinsider.com/scientific-proof-paid-parental-leave-is-good-for-everyone?r=US&IR=T
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:01 PM
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I've asked him this a lot of times. His answers usually consists of: Saying that me and all my friends are actually chad thundercocks that don't know it Saying that I have and all my friends have been unusually lucky, the chads were just busy that day Repeating his ideas over and over. Like, I come up with an argument, he replies by saying "Women ONLY want perfect men" and not actually responding to my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:27 PM
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You're not talking to a fish. You're talking to a fisherman who has bought and used the same type of gear you've used before. In fact, let's continue this allegory. TRP is the fisherman going around at the docks telling other fishermen who have been getting fish for a while that they should fish by dragging the hook along the bottom of the sea. The other fishermen find this weird and keep telling the TRP fisherman that he's only going to get old boots on his hook. TRP fisherman claims that all f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:25 PM
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The TRP concept of shit tests is more about (consciously or subconsciously) trying to establish dominance in a relationship by pushing a guy in a certain direction, which most women do. And when a guy concedes all the time, they're frustrated with having married a doormat even though they can't really put a finger on it, while his only crime was doing what she asked him to. Really? Because according to the glossary on TRP it is: Shit Test, or Fitness Test - A statement or question meant to gauge…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:19 PM
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Yup. TRP is actually not that different from feminism, good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:13 PM
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Lots of women see me as "just a friend". While dating men less attractive than me, how do you explain this? You've hit on them and they've dismissed you? Or are you saying that you have female friends who date guys less attractive than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:12 PM
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It's a roadbump on the way that can halt your career.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:11 PM
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I see. I immediately understand now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:10 PM
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Agreed. Some effects won't be seen for generations. In order to get equal representation in the government, you need mechanisms that create enough female politicians.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:09 PM
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Changing tatum. Is that his super-hero name or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:43 PM
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Every post of BenGunn is repeating the same point. According to him women only want perfection and nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:41 PM
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It changes your face dramatically Lolwut no it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:40 PM
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This would explain why lots of women prefer the likes of David Tennant, Adrian Brody, or Benedict Cumberbatch over the male-model types. Don't you think women prefer those men because they're celebrities?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:39 PM
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I would disagree.. As someone who has great facial aesthetics. Source. I can say that its more-to-do with how you're playing your cards. Lots of women will see a handsome man and simply think "Oh, he's an arrogant cocky asshole" and won't even give me the time of day. That and most women aren't super receptive to men who aren't good communicators. So I would say, in my personal experience, that being a good communicator and making women feel comfortable are the best ways ensure success with wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:38 PM
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Nope feminism hasn't gone far enough. Until they have equal representation in government etc, they'll keep going. What is feminism doing to promote this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:30 PM
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I think it would both be good and bad. It would be bad because there's a huge chance that male concerns would be disregarded. It would be good because people would finally shut up about "The Patriarchy".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:29 PM
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The transphobic bit was when you claimed that all men could just up and decide to be women and the "sausage fest" in the bathroom. Trans women are women from birth, they are just misidentified at birth as male. Now, one could be fluid in one's gender and change identities as one feels comfortable, but in general trans people are not just people of one gender who just decide to be another gender. They are people who have always been their true gender but were misidentified or went as their incorr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:27 PM
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What are your thoughts on statement "'equality of opportunity' versus 'equality of outcome?'" Well if you're from the US as long as you don't have paid maternal leave I have no idea how you can claim women have the same opportunity to get involved in politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:17 PM
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My question is, given how events have unfolded thus far, how do proceed after that? How do you establish yourself as a man? Establish myself as a man? I am a man. But women aren't that hard to undestand. I'd realize when she wanted me to take charge. Hopefully, it would be a balanced relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 01:54 PM
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It's not. A quick look at his post history would have told you as much. He doesn't write like that in any other posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 01:46 PM
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It is indeed. This is how bad ideas survive - by purging challenging elements. Of course good ideas wouldn't need to do anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:50 AM
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...why are you typing like a cartoon caveman
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:47 AM
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Show me one example of this actually being given as advice then if it's so common.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:45 AM
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I'm not talking about it as comforting. I'm talking about it as actual advice, and not used in situations where you're on the verge of tears.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:42 AM
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That's rarely the case when it's an 8 man and a 6 or 7 woman. Guys don't want to be seen with <5s; someone who's cute but not drop dead gorgeous isn't an issue. Sure, I'll give you that. What happens is Sally 6 or 7 has such easy access to 8s or higher that her expectations adjust and 8+ becomes the standard. Those guys might date her for a while or she might just get her hopes up, but they're trying to sleep with 8s or higher themselves. They occasionally have success, so Sally never becomes a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:40 AM
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And there's tons of keyboard jockeys who have no real life experience and are just regurgitating theory. Look, if you're a genious advisor who understands human social dynamics, good for you. If you're just parroting TRP stuff and you have experience demonstrating that it actually works - you shouldn't be giving advice. Advice should concern the practical application of something.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:35 AM
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You're missing his point. He correctly pointed out that a guy who's had unprotected sex with more than 15 casual partners is vastly more likely to carry and transmit an STI to a girl than a guy who has only gone raw with one girl. The fact that he's had so much unprotected sex suggests there's a strong likelihood he has a very high SMV, otherwise his partners (assuming they have some kind of survival instinct) would have insisted on condoms. You didn't undestand his example. It explains how in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:22 AM
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There is a decently large population of male virgins- and a very small population of female virgins(mostly only super religious types) I went through 5 years of a BA + MSc and I think I met one guy who I suspected was a virgin. Women have a higher median partner count then men at university I don't think so. There are way more women than men in uni so it should be the other way around. Most women have a period of "fun" and then will try to settle down by the end of their junior-senior year, to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:18 AM
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Is also the fact that in general, a lot of women like to appear as though they have less agency than they actually do. "It just happened," etc. Approaching a man immediately shatters this illusion. I would agree with this. In my experience: More often than with a male, a woman who gives you advice in a rough time will say "It will work itself out/It's going to be OK", implying that some external force will fix your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:09 AM
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Except TRP is probably the least biased group ever to analyze women. They only look at women from their own viewpoint which is "how can I get as much sex as possible, without her rejecting me". As a result, their analyzing is a bit off to say it nicely. I think the POV is actually "How can I explain my lack of success with women in a way that lays the blame on them, not me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:03 AM
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Why is it such a big ass source of debate and moral outrage if it's just a bunch of loser guys who aren't actually successfully tricking and manipulating women into sex? There can still be moral outrage about the spread of misogyny. Elliot Rodgers didn't manipulate anyone but his misogyny still proved outrage-worthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:01 AM
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And in be a man is pretty common sense, look st the 40 year old virgin thread over at srssucks, following womens advice about being a sensitive/'new' man does not work. Where is that advice exactly? Never heard it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:54 AM
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Fair enough, but it's not all that far off -- online dating is ubiquitous enough now to impact how people act in the real world. If a woman can easily date a bunch of 8+ guys from Tinder, why would she give the time of day to a 6 or 7 who talks to her at the coffee shop? She knows she can do better with almost zero effort. Well let's assume the woman is a 6 or 7 then. The super hot guys will mostly just want her for sex. The 6 or 7 guy is a prospective LTR. Sure, some women are deluded. But most…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:53 AM
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Oh come on, I know humor is hard to convey in text but that was clearly poking fun. I don't think of it that way at all. Psycho-analyzing someone through text isn't a productive use of your time, if you ask me. Ok, my bad. Poe's law and all that. This conversation isn't really going anywhere at this point, so I'll just leave it at this. I don't buy everything TRP says either. My goal is not to defend them as perfectly good. What I will say is that TRP is not designed specifically to work on shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:46 AM
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There's some logic to this, but using this logic you would have never hired Bill Belicheck. He was an OK player at a small college and never played a down in the NFL before landing an NFL job. The best workers aren't always the best managers. That's not the same logic. A manager runs the team as a unit, which is qualitatively different from playing as a member of that team and being managed. There's no such distinction in.... uh, picking up chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:42 AM
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Yeah but they'd rather fuck the no nonsense dominant guy that turns them on. You're talking as if those are two different guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:44 PM
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You're talking as if emotional maturity is some action you do that leads to a reward. It's something you are. And women, like people in general, respect and admire it. They feel safe and right with an emotionally mature man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:29 PM
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But TRPers are often pretty ignorant when it comes to psychology. Yup. The one thing they seem to love most - evo psych - they completely misunderstand. They're all like "look, this study showed that women find phenotypical signs of testosterone more attractive during ovulaiton. HYPERGAMY BRANCH SWINGING COCK CAROSEL CONFIRMED!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:26 PM
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I completely detested them before. They might have changed. Video doesn't convince me though. "Don't do anything unless everybody wins", sounds like another meaningless gimmick to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:24 PM
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If they didn't trp wouldn't recommend them/grow as much as it has. As I said, I believe the common sense advice is responsible for people getting results. I've seen plenty in my own life, i'm absolutely killing it on tinder. Tinder is about looks. You'll succeed without the TRP tactics as well. Probably do even better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:18 PM
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Dude. Read my post before you comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:52 PM
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Absolutely true, but I find you also get them if you're trying to escalate quickly for the same reason. If somebody hasn't known you for very long, they need to verify that you are who you present yourself as. Shit tests are a pretty effective way of doing that. I'm not sure the tests are instinctive, but I think the desire to challenge someone you aren't sure about is. Yup. Classic shit test is when a girl takes you home, gets you in bed, you make out for a bit and suddenly she says "Oh well. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:26 PM
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Explain why a man should sit and listen to a woman piss and moan? Makes no sense whatsoever. I view my time as more valuable than that. Now if she is sad or upset, and looks to me to make her feel better, that's totally fine. If you don't listen to what she says, how do you know she's actually pissing and moaning, and doesn't have legitimate concerns? If she does piss and moan and you don't like that, your time is too valuable to be in a relationship with her. So you should break up instead of j…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:11 PM
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I see BPers use it all the time. Maybe I'm misusing that specific term, but the thing is, I see BPers judge RP by their emotions, claiming they're "angry," "misogynists," etc. And they certainly don't give any acknowledgement or validation of those feelings. That might be true. I don't identify as a "BPer" so I can't speak for them. So, I can understand why TRP might have to drive the point home, since there has been a great deal of misinformation and conflicting views about this circulating aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:07 PM
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It's not a belief, it's a fact. See online dating studies where women think 80% of men are below-average, only message the most attractive men, etc. Online dating isn't the real world. Women have way, way higher standards in online dating that IRL. And a lot of men have terrible photos that makes them look unattractive, even when they're not. It's pretty logical - women train to look good in photos and in front of the mirror all the time. We don't. Where are the hordes of women tearing the pants…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:37 PM
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Nice that someone agrees with my POV on TRP. This is one of the first things I've disagreed with. I think it's pretty clear that shit test are real, although not as common as TRP likes to make out. There are plenty of times when I've been hitting on a girl and she's reacted like a total bitch. When I stay and show I'm not intimidated by it, I've had a lot of cases where you can visibly see them become attracted. I don't think it's a stretch to say other people do this on a smaller scale. In that…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:33 PM
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No, the goal is to avoid bringing negative feelings into the mix through a misunderstanding which could easily be avoided. If you go for a walk every time there's an argument, you're an idiot. If you think I was seriously suggesting that it was a good solution for every situation, that's not too smart either. I'm not saying you were. I'm saying this is an example of "holding frame" that basically consists of running away from a tough situation. Once you have successfully avoided catastrophe, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:16 PM
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Not at all. The most attractive men have multiple partners, all other men are lucky to have even one. This is a limiting TRP belief. It's an excuse to give yourself if you fail with women. "It's not me who's doing something wrong, it's women who have impossible standards". Saying anyone but the most attractive men are lucky to have even one sexual partner is just ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:45 PM
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There are more good-looking men than women in a given population, but women don't mind sharing alpha men between them. So they all get a share of that alpha cock. There are more good looking men than women? Are you sure you're not just a lot more critical of how women look?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:43 PM
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Interesting that if a woman gets angry, her feelings must be "acknowledged," but if a man gets angry, it gets dismissed and scorned as "anger phase." Uh, Isn't "Anger phase" a TRP term? The feelings of men should be achknowledged as well. Hell, the western world is terrible at achknowledging male feelings. TRP belongs to the culture of male emotional denial where one pretends that men don't have weaknesses or feelings, and that men who have difficulties expressing themselves emotionally are "Sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:27 PM
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I want security and stability in a relationship. Dread game does not suggest security at all. Just like most people, men and women. TRP preaches that women want insecurity. Some types of women are kept around by instability It's not the most mentally healthy ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:23 PM
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I can hear the dramatic music and thunderclap already
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:19 PM
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Again this would imply that there are more good looking men than women in a given population.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:18 PM
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But you see the opposite to an abundance mindset is the scarcity mindset. Scarcity mindset is a belief that there are limited possibilities which builds personal belief that you cannot change. Like nothing you do matters, so why do anything? Abundance is about infinite possibilities, while perhaps unrealistic, mindset works in this way, if you believe in abundance, how do you think your behaviour would change? It's basically a mental trick to help you reach your full potential. Kind of like how …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:16 PM
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Then it must be something that is particular to where you are at. I have been to most of the European Countries and I have never seen women approach men who weren't chad. I've seen plenty of women approach chad, but that's it. I've lived in three different cities in my country (Norway) and it has happened everywhere. I've also seen and had it happen in other countries I've lived in. For instance, the US. Speaking of the US, women approach more there than anywhere else. This happens pretty much e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:20 AM
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Why would this be a problem? It's not uncommon to have a cooling off period so that both partners can clear their heads and have a more rational discussion. A short 10-minute walk around the block is hardly "running away." Sometimes, or actually I think that inevitably in any relationship, expression of anger or frustration with one's partner is a goal in itself. If your partner is angry about something and you don't want to be around when they're angry, you're not achknowledging their feelings.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:12 AM
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Your assuming that women want their man to be their emotional punching bag. If you feel like an "Emotional punching bag" when a woman is upset, you're not very emotionally robust. Women want a man that isn't upset and has to walk away when things get a bit uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:09 AM
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This probably sounded cooler in your head huh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:37 AM
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So the women who are 4/10s, 3/10, 2/10 are having sex with only 7/10 + ? Of course you realize this isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:32 AM
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Even the most plain of girls has a boyfriend or a FWB. Logically this implies most men have a girlfriend or fwb.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:31 AM
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If it's so outdated why does it work? I don't think it does. I think most of the effect TRPers experience comes from Not doing "Nice guy"-stuff anymore Self improvement All the techniques (shit test handling etc) are , in my opinion, rubbish. Then there's the mental masturbation effect of course. If you read about something enough, with enough examples etc, you might believe that it "works" even though you haven't really seen results yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:29 AM
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Why do you always equate not getting a lot of attention with incel? Do I always do that? That's news to me. Anyhow, this was a reply to the statement that she could just sit around and wait to be approached. A lot of plain janes who do this sit alone the entire night. Of course an average looking woman isn't incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:26 AM
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Well then we have different points of view. I'm not going to question your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:22 AM
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No one would be expected to react positively to that behavior. Name ONE behavior you react to positively when you're pissed. He could lick her floor and she'd still be pissed. In this case, "frame" means that you have an active self-awareness which means you KNOW your mind is compromised. And it means you have the willpower to remove yourself from the situation before you make a poor decision. And it means you making the call that, even though she'll be pissed that you walked out, it's better th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:18 AM
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Modern feminism is obnoxious and repulsive. It allows women the freedom to be cunts if they choose to with little repercussion and men are getting sick of it, e.g, MGTOW, PUA, TRP, etc. What? Does feminism arrest you if you call out a woman for bad behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:11 AM
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Trp also greatly encourages an abundance mentality. I think this is bad advice actually. No one has abundance. Instead of attempting to cultivate a mentality where you pretend you have abundance, you should cultivate a lifestyle that supplies you with the opportunities you want. And abundance mentality can also make you dismiss a lot of women who you will never have a chance at again. I know this from experience. It can even act as an excuse for not improving yourself when you're rejected/fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:06 AM
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I explained the relevance in the sentence before the one quoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:01 AM
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Getting casual sex is definately easier for women in general than for men yes. I have no way of knowing if you're communicating in hyperbole or if you're serious. There are TRPers who literally think women only want to have sex with the top 5% of men for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:49 PM
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By the way, just because a woman is attracted to me because of holding frame, doesn't make her insecure or any of those labels. Means she has standards just like me. I have seen "Holding frame" exemplified here(PPD) as reacting to being confronted by your SO (on some topic of disagreement) by telling her to calm down and going for a walk. Basically running away from an uncomfortable situation. If a woman reacts positively to this behavior, that is not a sign of high standards, but a lack of auto…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:33 PM
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I don't know, if you're having trouble with women you're not in a position to be giving out advice, that's all. I think discussing theory etc is ok of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:24 PM
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True. There should be a middle ground. In the PUA community there were tons of keyboard warriors who gave advice and had no success themselves - they just knew all the theory. Somehow I don't think they were in a position to be doing that. Especially since everyone can read the theory already.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:16 PM
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those types of gals love being degraded/dominated in bed and respect men who don't take her shit Agreed. But unfortunately if you follow TRP principles you actually end up embodying a fragile, outdated image of manliness. She won't think "Wow, he's not taking any of my shit, how strong and manly" if you tell her you're going for a walk and she needs to calm down if she's confronting you with something (an example used of "Holding Frame" in another discussion). She'll think "Why is he so afraid o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:13 PM
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Same here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 10:59 PM
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Just because some of us are not as "successful" with women as others, does not make us blind to what's going on. It's true. People who are very good looking often don't understand that their looks are what attracts women, so there's no guarantee experience gives you knowledge. However I don't think you should be handing out advice unless you have some success to speak of.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 10:58 PM
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Yes keyboard warriors need to lurk moar. Same goes for people that want others to internalize self limiting and self defeating beliefs I don't think lurking is the best suggestion. I think people who are inexperienced should take active part in the conversation, but they shouldn't be saying stuff like "This is what works". This was a classic issue in the PUA community, tons of guys who knew each method inside-out and were highly regarded forum contributors (writing about their epiphanies etc). B…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 10:56 PM
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You're loners, betamales, former geeks, and guys with little to no life experience. You don't get laid that much and you haven't found that much success in the game. You're here for a reason and no one is going to hate you for not having much luck, but for the love of god don't give any advice when you're a fucking nobody. No one wants to take advice from some sexless loser who hasn't even fucked a cute girl or done anything of value, just shut up and make something of your life before giving an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 10:53 PM
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Who are you to tell me the women I'm sleeping with aren't "smart, empowered, independent, confident" women? They might be. But if they are attracted to you because you handle all her shit tests, you play dread game, you hold frame, treat her like a teenager etc chances are she fits several of the labels you mentioned. Have you ever seen an ad on TV and thought "Wow, whoever falls for this is an idiot"? It's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 10:43 PM
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However, I would still think that this is an apples to oranges comparison. All a woman has to do to get male attention is to just...not be fat. Apart from that, even a "plain" woman can put on a bit of make up and wear a nice outfit - and she'll get male attention. All she has to do is just sit there and wait for men to approach her. Plain janes don't exactly drown in male attention. The male incel might face tougher hurdles, since he also has to work to look good, be in shape ("not fat"). But n…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 10:03 PM
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300lb+ women are used to chubby chasers hitting on them. They're alone because that's how they prefer it. (They don't like sharing their donuts) How many women of that size have you known and talked to about this? I've known a few pretty damn fat women and none of them were approached by chubby chasers ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:39 PM
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What setting was this, did you just ask out random women on the street? In bars? When you approach out of the blue that requires a lot of charisma and confidence. Most of the time women will reject a stranger who asks them out because he is a stranger who asks them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:37 PM
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I've never seen men who weren't chads approached by any women at all. Being looked at is not approaching. You're telling me that these guys are 5's and 6's and get approached by women? WHERE? Pretty much every setting in which approaching/hitting on someone is natural. The women you are talking about, this is a nightclub scenario, right? The women are probably drunk. Sometimes it's a nightclub scenario. Sometimes at a party. Follows the definition above. Sometimes a bit drunk. Women want perfect…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 08:49 PM
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Not just size but shape matters. But usually the bigger you are, the likelier it is that you will hit the right spots. I think a big part of sexual chemistry is how well your penis fits in her vagina. If it's a good fit, she will orgasm without much work. Sex will be good pretty much no matter what. So that's why it's important.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 08:18 PM
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2: Didn't OKCupid publish an empirical study of male vs. female dating behavior, that categorically contradicts your anecdotal findings? Online dating isn't representative for the real world. Women have much, much higher standards in online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:42 PM
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A charismatic man, with similar looks to you, can get much more attractive women compared to the men you can attract with good socials skills. Here is an example Isn't that Neil Strauss? Because if it is, him being a rich celebrity and a best-selling author probably doesn't hurt his SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:38 PM
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Such as walking around trying to be "Stoic", running away from uncomfortable situations because you want to "Keep frame", acting like a paranoid narcissist because you think women are constantly evaluating your genetic fitness through "Shit tests" that you can pass or fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:54 PM
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Response got deleted I think that's OK. The person who made the comment went off-topic and attacked you as a person. But I don't think any personal attack should be banned. If an SJW came in here and wrote about how men should pay more taxes than women or something, it would be totally OK to respond that she's a terrible person and a sexist. What I don't want is people behaving like czerdec, who appears to want anyone who says anything he might find offensive banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:50 PM
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It's the same line of thought as they had as "Nice guys" basically. Instead of doing nice things to "Earn" attraction, they now do "Alpha things".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:14 PM
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Come on, man. Those guys are either tall and you don't count that as part of their smv, or they are of average height, but have something going for them like big muscles, a big dick that is talked about, or whatever that makes them get approached by women. And the women who approach them are not landwhales? Pretty average guys who put a normal amount of effort into grooming and style. Not particularly fit. Approached by similar types of women - 6/10s. Normal guys, very far from perfect. If women…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:02 PM
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You mean outside of the enormous esoteric vocaboluary and sidebar that you're required to read before participating in the sub? You realize stuff like hypergamy, awalt, shit testing - those are parts of a belief structure, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 05:14 PM
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Clubs, bars, parties, anywhere hitting on/approaching someone is socially acceptable.... Especially women who I'd rate as maybe 6/10. I have friends who are not especially attractive (5-6/10 maybe) and they've been clearly hit on at parties and have had ONS/fuckbuddies. I mean, for crying out loud, don't you realize how delusional your worldview is? Do you think repeating that you've somehow deduced everything through observation will make it true?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:52 PM
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The whole new wave is going to be libertarian, the nature of which is sort of being fought out as we speak. Not economical libertarianism I assume? Because that would hardly represent a "New wave".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:47 PM
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OK so you define it as personality. No, looks are included. Yeah I've posted about Manson's Demographics theory v. TRP's AWALT heuristic before dude You sure write a lot. But it's an interesting discussion. I obviously agree with Mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:38 PM
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If I was Brad Pitt I'd only be attracted to perfect women. Exactly. And this goes the other way around as well: The only women who only want the best men are the women who also are the best women. I don't see women approaching guys who aren't perfect. I see women approaching male models. Safe to say that the only men who are sexually attractive for women to have sex with are male models. I've seen plenty of women approach men who are not male models. It's way less common than men approaching wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:30 PM
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No - really what they want is to only fuck alpha/s. They do Not want to fuck a beta/s - https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3fjz7g/study_clearly_demonstrates_alpha_fucks_and_beta/ The study showing that women find phenotypical signs of testosterone more attractive when they ovulate does not negate what I said about women's interest for casual sex. Not really sure how you think it does. Of course women are more interested in casual sex if the man is more attractive, but this is a moderat…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:24 PM
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That's just the thing. I'm not having any problems with women. I never have. And especialy since learning trp which basically unlocked easy mode. Your post seemed written by someone who had problems with women. For someone successfull you sure seem to understand the perspective of those who are not. But it's my mistake, I shouldn't have jumped to conlcusions. There's this tendency amongst RP critics to find a way to criticise it without engaging it. For whatever reason they would rather just pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:42 PM
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What was the context of this comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:36 PM
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You immediately resorted to personal attacks yourself. How on earth can you claim that's not hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:35 PM
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You're blaming some men for not 'manning up' to women's standards of attractiveness, which you claim TRP doesn't understand. You're not really opening your mind to the idea that perhaps men don't want to operate on women's terms all the time. Absolutely disagree. TRP is the definition of operating on (imagined) women's terms all the time. I mean, just think about it for two seconds: TRP claims that you have to be alpha all the time, or a woman will immediately leave you for a better man. You hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:33 PM
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Those are questions, not attacks. Fail. Is that why you changed them? Can't you just man up and say "You're right, that was hypocritical of me. I see your point now Broski, banning would be bad"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:39 PM
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PUA defined Strippers as high quality women. Low quality = Terrible personality (attention whore, overreacting to everything), no ambition, no intellectual pursuits, smoker, either not taking care of her looks or wearing way too much makeup. PUAs say they go for hot women, but they end up with average looking or really really vulgar women. TRP may not be that bad, but you'll end up with the harpy-personalities because that's what your worldview of women resonates with. Also you'll end up with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:36 PM
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You were right 50 years ago, when the pill hadn't been invented. Technology has changed this - now there are No real constraints to a woman sleeping with 20+ men, or 3,000. The main constraints are psychological, however if you hang out in NY there is very little evolutionary psychology stopping people from hooking up, in fact it is not a dating culture but a hookup culture (thanks to anonymity). Obviously in more conservative areas (Salt Lake, etc) there is social constraints as well. You misun…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:32 PM
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Interesting, makes a lot of sense intuitively as well. What you're seeing in the manosphere are the very first seeds of a new opposition party. Don't you think one of the big two will absorb them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:22 PM
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I replied in a previous post but I think you notion on evolutionary psychology is wrong. Women want the best dick ('Alpha fucks') and they want just as much sex as men. They want sex just as much as men. What they don't want is sex with random partners just as much as men. There are many reasons for this, one of them being that even if the man they're fucking is extremely hot, that's not a guarantee the sex will be good. As guys we get off anyways even if it's not the best sex ever. And anyways,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:20 PM
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I don't quite follow what this was a comment to?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:09 PM
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Are you so inarticulate that you cannot attack any idea without also attacking the person expressing the idea? Does it really break your brain to be objective? This is an ad hominem attack however. Instead of attacking my argument, you are trying to attack my person. By your own terms, should you be banned now?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 02:32 PM
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You get my point. Most of the obese/drug addicted/smoking people are at the bottom of society. That doesn't mean every fat person is at the bottom of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 02:31 PM
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So you are saying that women need men to be tall, muscular and to have perfect faces for them to be sexually attractive to women, because that's what I see. Or to at least have one of those traits for women to be minimally sexually attracted? Please explain to me step-by-step how you came to that conclusion from what I wrote. Here's a helpful question: Are you only attracted to perfect breasts?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 02:29 PM
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You're wrong. Ad Hominem attacks are banned in debates because they're logical fallacies. A personal attack isn't automatically an ad hominem attack. An Ad Hominem attack is when you attack someone's person instead of their argument, attempting to invalidate the argument because of the person uttering it. Example: Person 1: "I think women are attacted to good looking men". Person 2: "Yeah what do you know? You're a virgin." Example of NOT an ad hominem attack: Person 1: "I'm a very nice guy who …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 02:25 PM
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Exactly. And where are these people in society? At the bottom. It's like that with women too. Higher quality women are less impulse-driven. Which is why I've always said TRP and PUA by design favor low quality women, who confirm the TRP beliefs and keep the circle going.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 02:15 PM
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There's also an ethical dimension: a lot of the posters here (I'll give you names if you don't believe me) are obviously highly vulnerable people who have experienced deep pain because of the issues this sub revolves around. You're literally saying the exact same thing as people who want trigger warnings are saying. But you can argue for any idea in the universe without framing it as a personal attack on your interlocutor. See, the problem is that you're reacting to things that aren't objectivel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 02:08 PM
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I generally agree with the notion of ad hominem attacks being very bad for debate, but this is the second time I've seen you call ad hominem and fail to rationally argue for why it's an ad hominem. In this thread people are talking about themselves. Talking about another person who talks about himself (By saying that you have another perception of that person) is not an ad hominem attack. If you want logical fallacies removed, please try to gain a basic grasp of why they are actually fallacies f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 02:04 PM
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In regards to gender politics, people are similarly emotionally attached to an idea. As a pretty skeptical person in general, I like the phrase posted on this forum, "challenege what you believe." Although I feel a lot of people come here for the opposite I think a lot of TRPers would benefit from challenging their TRP belief. It's easy to think "Wow, I have this new perspective on society - that means I'm skeptical and thinking differently and thus challenging my beliefs could in no way apply t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 01:57 PM
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Most species on this planet, including men, always follow their natural, evolved urges. Not really. Our capacity to override our impulses is kind of what defines us as a species.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 01:56 PM
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I think I have a more suitable story.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 01:52 PM
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The result is most women churning through the same small set of high value guys in a mix of ONS, FWB and short term relationships. Those high value guys never settling down because they can always move onto something younger and prettier. And a modest percent of women who are not attractive enough to get in that game. This is a ridiculous notion. You're forgetting that a lot of these high value men actually prefer relationships, and you're forgetting that most women don't want tons of casual sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 01:43 PM
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I think it's not by choice. IMO MGTOW are basically men who have given up on any sort of success with women. Unlike the FAs and Incels however, I feel like most MGTOWs actually aren't totally hopeless, they just refuse to change in any way. They have an idea of themselves as decent men and thus experience cognitive dissonance when they don't succeed with women. Instead of resolving this dissonance by introspection, they solve it by claiming (Much like TRP) that there's nothing wrong with them - …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 01:31 PM
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There is a way I think it could be accelerated. Basically, you would go "Undercover" as an SJW/Radfem and acting as extreme as possible. Some people will tag along, and suddenly you've accelerated the inevitable doom.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 01:19 PM
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Then do explain to me evolutionary psychology. Evolutionary psychology tells us why certain observed tendencies in human attraction have adaptive value. It tells us that certain physical traits are attractive to most women, and certain physical traits are attractive to most men. It does not tell us that women are only happy if they are with a man who exhibits these traits 100%. There is no piece of evidence that suggests this. I've spent the last 2 weeks holed up in my house and playing video ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 01:17 PM
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Come on, no one talking to you for five years is not the default for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 10:19 AM
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If a girl doesn't ask any male she sees, including the socially retarded autistic drooler at the back of his class to have sex with her, and got rejected, she's not an incel. So guys who haven't asked girls to have sex with them aren't incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 10:18 AM
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Ninjas?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 10:15 AM
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Right. Which is why monster truck massacres are so frequent in countries with strict gun laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 10:13 AM
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This will likely happen to all of radical left culture. It's what usually happens. These movements thrive on having enemies and thus eat themselves up from within. The moment their enemies capitulate, they have to create new ones. So they look for "Traitors". In the end, it just gets too exhausting for everyone and the movement is shrunk to a microscopic version of what it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 10:00 AM
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That's like saying we need voodoo medicine and witch doctors because there's a flu going. Feminism doesn't have a solution to the problem of how rape victims are met in the legal system, most of the solutions they come up(AFAIK, correct me if I'm wrong here) involve removing the legal rights of the accused.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 09:46 AM
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I understand the appeal of having a like-minded tribe to back up your opinions and look to for talking points, and I understand why one would never want to "betray" their own tribe by calling out members of it for specific poor behavior. For many people this is the end goal. The discussions aren't actually aimed at gaining any understanding of anything. They're battles against an enemy that is by definition wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 09:41 AM
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As feminists, we aren't represented by them and we don't make them our "endorsed contributors" . You are actually represented by them in the media. Feminism has a huge image problem because radicals run around posting #killallmen and similar while the silent majority is like "It's ok. We don't think they represent us, so no one else does either." I don't see why there's so much resistance against the idea that feminism has a branding problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 09:36 AM
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When you say that people observe and judge and rely on their gut feeling, that is shit testing. Then the entire concept of a shit test is meaningless. Of course people judge, assess and feel out conversations. This is not what TRP says about shit tests. TRP has a very specific definition of shit tests, which is the following: Shit Test, or Fitness Test - A statement or question meant to gauge your level of Alpha traits. The definition of being stoic is to bear hardship and pain without complaini…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 09:30 AM
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For me, RP is like economics. It's a model of human behavior that is built on predictions and patterns. TRPers are like economists. There are many "schools" that are built around RP, some of which are more closely aligned with the model (from my perspective) and some of which are not. And just because someone says they are an economist does make them an expert in economics. Trying to understand RP just from reading what various TRPers write is as ridiculous as trying to understand economics from…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 09:07 AM
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Most men perhaps, but not most women - look dick is plentiful. It is not hard for a woman to get dick. Once it so easy (thanks to tinder) of course she is going to select the most attractive guys she can. You're making the mistake of thinking women want casual sex as much as men do. They don't. If you've ever read anything on evolutionary psychology you'd know why. Yeah, because tinder is Not a hookup app..... Look women want the best dick. They do Not want to sleep with Mr 6, so while they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 08:10 AM
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Women do indeed go only for the top of men. There's the top, and then there's that little ledge that is the only thing some men such as yourself need to walk over to become part of the top. Maybe the chads were all too busy and women only had you as their temporary chad. I don't know. You are probably really fucking handsome with a perfect body and at least average height. How does one compete with that? As I said, 7ish face. Not a great body at the moment (have been sort of athletic previously)…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 07:58 AM
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Quasi-chad? Really? I thought you said women ONLY go for the top? What happened to that argument? then that means that women are attracted to men who fit the 300s type. Yes. Of course they are, because these men are super attractive. However, they are also attracted to other men. Just like we are very attracted to super models but also other men. If women are not attracted to other men, then I wouldn't be getting laid would I?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 09:23 AM
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That's mystery. He had a reality show called "The pickup artist". Women in "Field videos" and even the contestants were proven to be actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 09:21 AM
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What do you mean by "Giving it for free"? Should he charge women money?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 09:18 AM
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Who the hell wants to sleep with someone the same or less attractive than themselves? Less attractive? Few people I think. Same level? Most people do this. Of course women would rather sleep with the sexier guy - just like men would. But they compete with other women for this guy. And if the woman is less sexy than the another woman, the other woman will get that guy. If the TRP notion of the CC was true, all women would be in constant competition over the best possible guy. However, since it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 09:12 AM
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CC implies that most women actually ride this thing, and that most women do it with super alpha males. Sure, I think a lot of women have a sexually experimental phase where they have some casual sex. But a lot of women have absolutely no interest in sex with a guy who they have no emotional connection do. And when they do have this phase, they can sleep with guys out of their league (especially if they want to be the guys last chance at getting laid that night). But they also sleep with guys in …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:34 PM
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I tried a lot of PUA methods dude. Including nonsense like that. Not very effective, lol. In fact, I found that most PUA methods were not very effective. Cutting them out and focusing more on becoming more attractive, becoming a better listener, and being a more genuine and authentic person worked way better. Also, with the PUA stuff slowly disappearing from my head, I stopped thinking about what I should say, whether I was the alpha male, and stuff like that. Still, some legit concepts: Cocky f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:29 PM
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This is not a rational explanation that argues why it is offensive. It's like a feminist saying "You're focusing on the wrong part of this newspaper cover that says obesity in women has risen the last year! If you focused on the right part you'd see why it's offensive". Come on. Either explain this or man up and admit you made a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:04 PM
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Science says that women are more attracted to phenotypical signs of testosterone during ovulation. This doesn't mean they go and seek them out. Similarly, men are more attracted to women who are ovulating. This doesn't mean we only go for these women. We just find them a bit more attractive. Similarly with a woman, she finds the macho man a bit more attractive when she's ovulating. This does not in any way prove that women only are attracted to male models. I've been rated around a 7 with a good…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:02 PM
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Hahaha, PUA. I was in the community too for a couple of years. My experience is completely different. At first I was really, really into the community and I swallowed every piece of advice. It was a great rush and I had lots of fun. But then y'know, I realized actually doing a lot of the stuff that isn't common sense advice actually makes you into a huge clown. I mean, try following this chart. It's ridiclous. And you should have seen PUAhate back in the day when it was up. A huge amount of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:58 PM
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Ok. Elaborate then. Explain rationally how this qualifies as an Ad Hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:50 PM
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It's the only place you can talk about how to be successful with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:48 PM
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I'm not having this discussion again. I very clearly disagree with your unscientific view of female-male attraction. But I'm curious - what makes you think you know how I look?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:48 PM
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Where's the ad hominem? As far as I can see Grid is asking you whether it was the shaming that turned you to trp or if it was the fact that you weren't getting laid. This is obviously relevant to the debate. If Grid is right, it is an argument against your statement - people would still go TRP in the absence of nice guy shaming. I don't want to do the SJW comparison again here, but it seems to me you're finding offense where none is intended....
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:46 PM
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Well then with around 25 (I think?) partners I would consider myself more or less equally experienced. And I think you're right that feminist women have the same taste in men as non-feminist women. I've slept with a few feminists. On the plus side, they buy you drinks and pay for stuff. But I don't really think acting in line with TRP gets you any quality woman. If you take away the lifting, building a life etc all the completely obvious advice, what you're left with is just trying to imitate a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:28 PM
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Women put out to male models as quickly as the fucking govt. puts its hands in my pockets(well, my dad's pockets LOL). As would you with a female model. Not exactly shocking. If a woman doesn't fuck a guy a week tops after meeting him for the first time she is not sexually attracted to him. Tell that to all the women I've fucked much later than one week after meeting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:24 PM
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I'll respond to it. EDIT: And her getting pissed off was because being with her and doing things for her was not the issue or the problem. The problem was not us being around her; the problem was the extreme lack of attractiveness we exhibited by being around her with increasing frequency. Our being around more of the time was because we had nothing else in our lives, nothing else we wanted or did, no one else to be with or be around. Yeah, if you have nothing else in your life then of course th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:23 PM
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We might be saying many of the same things using different words, just segregated by the primary Red Pill - Blue Pill difference: I wouldn't say I identify as a "Bluepiller". The sub is funny but obviously filled with SJW/Radfem loonies. just a transaction that creates hormones that cause feelings (e.g., if you have your shit together and are hot, she'll feel love) That's attraction IMO. Love is different. A woman (like a man in most cases) loves the personality, values, achievements and behavio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:17 PM
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Becoming the perfect TRPer or "spreading the gospel" of TRP is not a goal for me. Instead, I want to see myself and the men I interact with be as empowered as possible when it comes to sex/love/relationships, and I am willing to work with any ideas or approaches that help me achieve that empowerment. If I knew, for example, that becoming the best gynocentric white knight Sensitive New Age Guy I can be would achieve that end, I would be just as gung-ho about that approach as I am about the RP app…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:45 PM
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Depends. If the guy is hot women flirt because they are attracted to him. If a guy isn't hot and a woman flrts with him, she's doing it for attention and to try and get a free meal. Soooooo flirting isn't shit testing then, you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:25 PM
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Good idea. Let's start having a "Trigger warning" rule as well when people say things other might find offensive. And there should be a "Safe Space PPD" where people are allowed to discuss their ideas without being offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:22 PM
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I think that a man getting into "communication" and "thoughtfulness" as a way to "strengthen emotional bonds" is going to be in a never ending hamsterwheel of calibration and second guessing himself about whether he's doing enough or too much-- Is this OK? Is this enough? Is this too much? Do I need to do more or less? How is she responding? This is a flawed way of thinking, and is the core problem of the "Nice Guy" approach IMO. You're basically asking "How many of these words and sentences sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:17 PM
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It's a matter of priorities. Most guys who are worth a shit have better things to do with their time than argue with a woman. Arguing with a woman won't gain you anything. It's just a waste of time and energy. Of course you'd rather do something else than confrontation. But in a relationship (and this is IIRC the context we're talking about?) arguing is sometimes neccesary to solve problems. Sometimes women - and men - have overblown emotional reactions because they don't really understand what …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:02 PM
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"Holding frame" does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with not communicating at all. If your woman is coming unhinged and giving you shit, you can calmly respond, "Cut the shit out. I'm disappointed in you." She'll, of course, explode at you, responsive to which you say, "We can talk about this after you've calmed down. I'm going to head out for awhile." Then turn your phone off and come back in an hour or two. You've communicated that she's giving you shit and that you're disappointed about that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:33 PM
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What's the "right" solution then, that is both ethical and effective? When a woman gives you shit, you either hold your ground or you are affected. There's not really such thing as being kinda sorta half-affected, reacting, but not reacting too much, responding to her shit, but not quite responding head on -- you get the idea. If you're confronted, you either "hold frame" or you don't. If you're sort of halfway yielding with some kind of measured amount of appropriateness, that's pretty much the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:08 PM
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You can stop putting women on a pedestal without doing ridiculous TRP nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:33 PM
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High status yes. Good looks yes. Misogyny nopes. Here's an alternative: http://markmanson.net/best-articles
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:32 PM
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I dont really understand this one. I've read a few field reports and it all just sounds stupid to me. Who goes out and writes a six page report on how a girl gave them a number. Oh Amused mastery was going to the bathroom when she ask me to dance. Come on guyz never do what the feeeemale says always be opposite. TRP gives some sense of control to guys who are very clueless socially. Common ways of having fun are mind-blowing to them. "Amused mastery" is an insane over-analysis of a common way of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:17 PM
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The question would be that if a man doesn't "hold frame", meaning he buckles when confronted, gets emotional easily, is very visibly affected by things that are said or done or that happen around him, and that when his woman addresses him, he jumps -- whether he's jumping to please her or fight with her, he jumps. Is this actually better or more effective at building strong relationships or attracting sexual partners? This is a self-esteem/emotional intelligence issue. Both the guy jumping and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:11 PM
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Dread Game, for example, if worded differently, would be agreed upon by most people. (Women get jealous. This is no secret. People want what they can't have. A woman who has been in a relationship with a guy for a long time is going to want to keep him around. If she see's that other women are interested, then she isn't just going to let that happen unless she really doesn't care about the relationship anymore. She's going to work to keep him.) This is how a 14 year old thinks. Going around flir…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:05 PM
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That was an answer to my question on sexual experience right? So how on earth would you know anything about what happens in a relationship if you have no experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:01 PM
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As someone with a lot of sexual partners Define "A lot"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 03:54 PM
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Anyone less than athletic gets no results at all. Meanwhile, the millions of women on these sites are getting the cream of the crop. Ok yeah women have higher standards online but this is pure BS. If dating were truely equal, why would all these men have such difficulty? Wouldn't you expect a 6 to snag another 6 quite easily? And this as well. Women usually have higher standards for casual sex/ons because they can. And they can because men want it more than they do. But for a relationship matchi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 03:51 PM
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Here's an alternative: Follow everything TRP says about self improvement. Follow nothing TRP says about how to act around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 03:29 PM
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I find this type of black/white thinking applies mostly to TRP. You know, alpha, beta...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 03:11 PM
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(Not BP or TRP) Actual evidence, not just a bunch of internet anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 02:46 PM
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Many of the people who have coached me or who I have coached have had very different sociopolitical views; personal views/opinions make no difference (think, again, of Olympic coaches - you think they bring all kinds of ideological ideas into their coaching?) When I'm saying ideology I'm not neccesarily talking politics, but ideology in the way that TRP is an ideology. Or a thought paradigm of human behavior. And I do think olympic coaches are influenced by that - but doesn't really matter as lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 08:28 AM
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When did we become so needy for sex? When did it become the holy grail? Why do lack of contact with the opposite sex (for straight guys) can demoralize us so much? Because people want to feel desired and worth something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 08:39 PM
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Thank you for that elaborate reply. As someone who has spent decades coaching and being coached That's interesting. Within what field? I am thoroughly familiar with how utterly incapable we humans seem to be at recognizing and assessing the myriad individual and collective patterns of behavior that we operate from constantly. That is why coaching is so critical to creating breakthroughs in life (ask any elite athlete or wildly successful entrepreneur) - often it takes someone outside ourselves t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 08:18 PM
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So you don't think that people make a point to push boundaries (even if subtly/unconsciously) in an effort to gauge how they react such that a determination can be made as to how best interact with someone? People are always sizing each other up, trying to determine what they are really made of, trying to form an assessment of what to expect from whom. Some people refer to this as "getting a read on someone", which can sometimes be difficult if you don't see that person "tested" in some way. Fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 08:01 PM
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Totally agree. Which is why the original post from cuntymcfagnuts69 (yikes) should have received this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 08:12 AM
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So if I ask women about this and they say differently...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 11:09 PM
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I disagree with that. Unless you live a very unhealthy lifestyle, your looks don't change all that much from 20-35 as a guy. After that however things start happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 11:03 PM
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I posted my pics online and most people rated me somewhere between 6-7. I am very, very far from invisible to women. Online dating is pretty tough but it's not the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 10:58 PM
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MGTOW is a lie in my opinion. MGTOW people don't go their own way, all they do is talk about women, and they seem to care a lot about what women think of them. Agency would be living for yourself. You don't need a movement. Be a satisficer instead a maximizer, get some ownership over your life. Accept that a lot of thoughts you might have serve no other function than justifying your frustration with the world. There's no purpose in writing long posts about the gynocentric society or whatever. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 08:49 PM
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You mean facially or body-wise?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 05:36 PM
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If TRP is full of shit as many critics contend, then why is so popular among guys who've applied it? You can apply the same line of thinking to alternative medicine. TRP is just like PUA: Works for guys because half of it is common sense advice (Lift, better yourself, don't put women on a pedestal). But also contains a lot of meaningless nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 07:49 AM
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I think the fact remains that your POTENTIAL peak attractiveness is in your early 20s. You'll never be as hot in your 30s as you could have been in your twenties. Idk about this. A lot of guys look more or less identical at 35 as they did at 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 07:43 AM
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Lifting is really not complicated at all. Bench, deadlift, squat, rows and standing press. Do those exercises with full range of motion. Steadily up the weight by 5 lbs when you master a weight. All of the other exercises are just accessories. It only takes an hour of the day, and just don't eat too much and you'll be fine. Not that difficult. In my experience, despite what Starting strength would have you believe, building upper body muscle is a bit more complex. For a lot of people (myself inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 07:37 AM
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Some men peak in their early/mid-20s because they're naturally good looking, athletic etc and their "Alpha male" behavior(being the loudest, dominating male hierarchy, drawing attention to himself etc) works very well on women until they're past their early twenties (21+). I think most men, at least the types who go to college, start becoming attractive at around the same age where the "frat guy" starts losing his mojo, and that this keeps increasing steadily as the guy grows older. This happens…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 07:32 AM
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Is it really? I've met thousands of women and only that one girl said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 09:24 PM
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Concepts like that are fundamentally gynocentric when you think about it. A way to force men to be responsible even when others will not, just because it's what men do, thereby indirectly allowing women to often avoid taking responsibility. I used to do it but since I was red pilled I've been more cynical. What does this have to do with women? You talked about what TBP people were doing. Lots of guys there. I'm saying be the better man as is be better than TBP. Heck, be better than TRP too. Be y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 09:23 PM
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Ironic because that's precisely what I'm saying TBP is rarely honestly doing. ...and? That means you shouldn't be the better man?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 06:20 PM
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Are the feelings men are allowed to express defined by female interests? Oh come on, you sound like a goddamn SJW. People disagree with you. That's life, deal with it. Try to listen to their arguments, maybe you'll learn something. This isn't a "Safe space".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 06:03 PM
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I can't just help but think that the carousel is real, when almost every girl i know has a higher partner count than every guy. It seems if you want high numbers as a man, you must be high status or be willing to pay a hooker It's the other way around for me. Most men I know have higher partner counts than most women I know. I don't know dude, maybe it's your crowd?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 03:30 PM
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What would you say proves that they know how to flirt?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 03:22 PM
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Some radical feminists believe the same as Anita Snark, who has gone on record in one of her videos saying that "the idea that men are physically stronger than women is a myth." Such an extreme blank slate nurture over nature bullshit ideology is guaranteed to create problems. I met a woman who genuinely believed this once. Didn't believe my own ears.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 08:37 AM
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In that case, even if the dude was talking with his friends, and a girl comes up to him and says whatever it is that she wanted to say, it's usually still on him to "make the first move." It's about who wants it the most. If the guy has other options it's not really "on him". Either she makes a move or she doesn't get him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 08:31 AM
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What's her prize for doing it? At the end of the day, her big prize is a man who was too much of a pussy to approach her first. Most likely her prize is the high value guy who didn't even notice her until she made a move. That's the kind of guy women want to approach. And a lot of them do. Most don't though. They'll say stuff like "Men don't like being approached. I approached a man once and we didn't end up hooking up so that's the only logical conclusion".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 08:29 AM
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He probably didn't microcalibrate enough. If he had microcalibrated, approached at a 45 degree angle and negged while he backwards merged two sets, you'd have slept with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 07:51 AM
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It's the plan of the patriarchy. Haven't you been to the meetings?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 01:27 AM
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Nope. Not even close. 1% would be a large number given the amount of students at a typical campus - 1 in 3 would basically be insanity. I think it's silly. If a guy and a girl are hooking up and the guy needs to ask for consent before every move, one of them likely has aspergers syndrome. Teaching college kids about the differences in male/female communication and sexuality would be way more beneficial. There are instances where one can make a qualified assumption that something is underreported…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 01:22 AM
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People also "give each other shit." A lot. It's a normal human interaction (and, funny enough, very similar to "shit testing"). But no scientists have written a paper on the fact the humans "give each other shit" all the time (that I am aware of). Doesn't mean it isn't a common occurance, right? "Giving someone shit" is something that can happen for a ton of reasons. Shit testing supposedly is an evolved mechanism that happens in specific situations and has an adaptive purpose. It's simply not c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 11:10 PM
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Since it is a universal phenomenon in my life, I must have the worst luck ever. How is it that everyone I know is like that, even though they are all highly successful and intelligent human beings? If your friends all refuse to associate with you when you go through tough times then yes, you've had terrible luck with your friends. They do. They just don't call it "shit testing" for obvious reasons. But they do observe that human beings operate in hierarchies, and that their are social mechanisms…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 04:02 PM
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A lot of heavy shit landed on me a while back, and I got really down on myself. I had to learn that everyone, but particularly the women, in my life did not want to hear me talk about myself in negative terms. In fact, doing that was one of the biggest turn-offs for my wife. Turn-offs that, despite my ceasing to talk about myself that way, have not gone away. You just can't unring that bell. And my less-hardy female friends were similarly freaked out/turned off, while my one more stubborn female…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 01:08 PM
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It's like going up to someone and apologizing for existing. Just why. I don't see where you get this from. I'm not suggesting anything close to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 12:45 PM
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Agreed. You believe it's possible to hide how you feel by faking confidence, I don't. Doesn't look like we're going to agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 04:21 PM
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The study you mention there has a ton of confounding variables. The same information processing skills that gave the man access to his wealth are likely to have given him access to learning how to please his woman sexually. I'm guessing he's also more fit than the poorer ones, a better chef etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 11:13 AM
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One, I think we are much more in agreement than may have initially appeared. All this is textbook rp/pu material though admittedly I have trouble distinguishing between the two since i got introduced to pu way before rp even existed. I'm not sure why go out of your way to distance yourself from red pill as if it had the plague or something. I've been in the PUA community and now I am not. Remember the feeling of being "Unplugged"? It's the same. That's why. I remember all the silly stuff I did w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 11:08 AM
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This is odd to me. Why would you actively start pointing out your flaws? I was talking about this within the context of someone calling you out for eating girly food, not on a date lol. I am not advocating just randomly telling people you're fat. It seems you're interpreting what I'm saying within the perceptual frame of your former, incel self. Please stop and think before doing this. I am not advocating being a pity magnet. There is a difference, to me, between being confident and putting all …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 11:01 AM
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Asking whats the worst that can happen is ... Agreeing with me. Thanks. That's what I've been saying all along. Not masking it but also not blatantly owning up, the advice is to just do it, even if you're nervous try not to be. Then you'll fail. Then you'll try again. And fail again. But the girl will make out and have sex anyway. Then one day you try and become confident. what you're suggesting is telling the girl and "owning up" to be nervous and then going to "work over your issues", see a th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 10:14 AM
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Being a guy myself I obviously don't agree that it's ok to mock someone because they're guys. And I think it's important to make fun of TRP because a lot of the advice there is terrible advice. And anything anyone can do to make the guys there realize that is good. I know from experience with the PUA community (pretty much the precursor to TRP) that running around trying to be the alpha male, negging people, thinking everything is a shit test - all of these things can very easily make you a bitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 10:10 AM
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Ok here's an anecdote: I know a guy named chad thundercock who is 6'6 tall, handsome as hell and a typical alpha. He has lots of female friends, but never fucks them. Me? I used to be like that. Now I wear a fedora every day, and I've gained 200 pounds and have grown a neckbeard. Every day chad complains about how "AWALT" and how "Hypergamy don't care". I call all women "Mi'lady" and proclaim how I'm one of the few decent men left, and I have regular threesomes with 10s. Lessons learned: Women l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 12:23 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 12:19 AM
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I mean "Baseline" in the biological sense. Like, you go to sleep, your t-levels will be at the baseline. Sure, you'll get some spikes from going to the gym, playing a competitive game etc, but one they're over it's back to the baseline. It's a bit different from musculature, because lifting changes your baseline permanently - your muscle cells gain more nuclei. Also I think the "don't jerk off" thing is a bad idea. Everything else is good, but jerking off is good for you IIRC from studies. Lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 12:17 AM
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Well, if you say you have a lot of experience I'll believe you. I'm 27 and I've had around 20-30 partners myself - don't know if that's a lot or not much to you. But I've never seen "breaking frame" as an important part of sex at all. It just sounded a bit like "Bags of sand" from the movie "40 year old virgin" to me. In my experience good sex mostly comes down to how well your penis is shaped for her vagina. If it's a good fit she'll love it even if your mind is somewhere else, or you're drunk,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 12:12 AM
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Escalatation is touching(mostly) someone in a way that gradually becomes more sexual and ends up at a point where a kiss is natural. It's something you do in response to how a girl responds to you, and so on. For instance, you talk to a woman, she lays her hand on your shoulder when she says something. You respond by moving closer to her and touching her leg(a more sexual area) when you say something to her. After a while, you simply rest your arm agains her leg when you speak. Suddenly you're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 12:08 AM
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hat would be testing, to my way of thinking. People are always observing how other people react to things and making judgements based on that. It's how we determine who might be trustworthy and who we should avoid, for example. It's how we determine who we can count on and who we can't. It's how we determine where the boundaries are. All of that stuff (and countless amounts more) is something we have to learn about others in order to build cooperative relationships. Again, I feel like you think …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 12:02 AM
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Lot of TRP stuff should be made fun of - especially the posts that are referred to in TBP. The people who post at TBP have some issues of their own though due to their dedication to feminism and SJW. Time and time has proven again that showing even false confidence is more beneficial than to be nervous. No the world is not a happy, easy place and it is logical to believe people will give me benefit of the doubt and cater to me. If you're pretending to be confident, you're still nervous. Just giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 11:52 PM
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No offense but uhm, how sexually experienced are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 11:47 PM
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I made a scenario with premises that by default support my position. Now I expect balanced debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:58 PM
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Was going to say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:52 PM
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Without knowing what exactly you did before this is impossible to comment on. "Treating them as individuals" could be you calling every woman "Mi'Lady" and shouting "YOU'RE WELCOME!" if you held doors open for them, wearing a fedora, being fat etc. And applying TRP could consist of you not doing that, but also doing a lot of ridiculous stuff. Your end result would be positive even if TRP is counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:36 PM
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Are women pickier with who they have sex with? Yes, for obvious evo psych reasons. Would a man in a situation where he could only choose one partner, choose the most attractive one, all other things equal? Yep. Men also want the best ones if we have to choose. It's just that we don't, we can (evolutionary speaking of course) knock some woman up and just leave. For women it's a huge risk. N/A
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:30 PM
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I don't see how this replies to what I wrote at all. You've spent how many posts now trying to get me to come up with a conclusion, and when I come up with one that's not what you thought you just ignore it? C'mon, if you've ever picked up a woman before what I'm saying you make intuitive sense. Go out and try it next time. No alpha behavior, just look for signs of interest and escalate. It works.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:26 PM
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"A tight frame". Wat? From what I've read lack of interest in sex from the woman is usually because the sex is bad. I haven't interviewed any married couples I know about their sex life, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:23 PM
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Then there are the natural ways. Get your body fat under 15%, get your zinc and vitamin D, eat lots of animal protein, HIIT, IF, fight training, lifting (especially compound lifts), reduce stress, cut out sugar and especially corn syrup, get enough sleep, don't jerk off, no soy and other xenoestrogen sources, don't touch babies, cold showers, join team sports, win contests, etc. These all affect testosterone fluctuations - but not your baseline levels. Your baseline levels determine things like …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:22 PM
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Well, it is alright to be nervous to a certain extent. If you're shaking then you have issues you need to solve - being open isn't your problem then, and trying to hide it won't work. Some people will always take messages too far. For some reason TRP guys have been saying openness is bad because crying or shaking with nervousness isn't attractive. Which makes me think like.... really? That's how you are if you open up? You need help dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:19 PM
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3-way ONS with 10s lol. In order to become more attractive what you need is looks and status. I have never denied that being more sexually assertive leads to more sex. As I said in my original post: Learn to recognize when a woman is interested and express your interest back. Build confidence by building competence through trial and error. Which is probably what Ayrad is doing. He sees the woman giving him eye contact, and he immediately makes a move. If she touches him, he responds in kind. He …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 01:42 PM
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I don't think there's any one archetype of seducer outside of someone who is good looking, confident, and good at reading the body language of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 10:28 AM
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If wayne is never overtly sexual while Ayrad is confrontational (likely hits on more women) and tries to hook up with more women then yes he will of course get laid more because he's actually trying more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 10:23 AM
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Show me the studies then. And I mean show me the studies supporting the following claim: Anyone female under the age of 50 (and not morbidly obese) showing some skin will get approving looks from a majority of hetero males. And I'm not a huge fan of gender studies so not sure why you're bringing that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 10:20 AM
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How on earth would that lead to a lack of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 10:19 AM
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Of course you can change your T levels. You're going to need a source for that dude. The point is if you want a girl to crave your cock on an animal level, your degree, your political bumper sticker, and your kayak club isn't going to cut it. As I said in the previous post, I believe sexual attraction is mostly tied to looks and status. Then there's actually finding women, having something to talk with them about etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 10:18 AM
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This article explains my point, what do you think of it? http://markmanson.net/vulnerability
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 10:16 AM
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It's true that women have an element of individuality which must be acknowledged and nurtured by men, bordering on narcissism. Again Mark's covered this I believe in his research on arousal (based off Evolution of Desire et. al. I believe). I'm talking more about stuff like she has a thing for guys who do this or that. I think women are way more specific with "Types" than men. When PUA starts getting detailed, it mimicks a type of behavior that will likely only "work" with a very small subset of…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:35 PM
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You didn't get my point. But ok let's shoot. They're probably more confident and assertive, have more empathy (and thus can make women feel safer with them) and are better at reading signs of interest. Probably hit on more women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:31 PM
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You're proving the O.P's point. Anyone female under the age of 50 (and not morbidly obese) showing some skin will get approving looks from a majority of hetero males. Maybe you just have really low standards. Ever considered that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:17 PM
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So first you ask me Why do you think that "hypergamy, shit tests, stoicism, women being incapable of love" doesn't work? And then your reply when I reply to this is "I GUESS YOU KNOW IT ALL HUH!".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:16 PM
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All you need to know is that they have similar levels of looks, money, and status but radically different abilities to attract women sexually. That means your theory is woefully incomplete. Actually it just means you're telling a story which may or may not represent reality. I mean, I could also say: "I have two friends who are dominant alpha male chads who look like male models. Guess what? They're incel. I have two other friends who are fat slobs, wear fedoras and shout "YOU'RE WELCOME!" after…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:14 PM
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I don't know your friends. There's no way for me to assess a situation based on your account.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:28 PM
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Because they're obviously false concepts. Hypergamy and branch swinging is nonsense. Women can have better looking partners when it comes to casual sex than when it comes to relationships - but most women aren't all that interested in having a lot of partners. The CC is nonsense for that very reason. Some women test yes, but it's pretty rare. Walking around worrying about being tested all the time makes you paranoid and insecure. Stoicism as in "Don't express emotions and don't show weakness" is…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:28 PM
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Nope. TRP would will your head with all sorts of crazy theories on hypergamy, shit tests, stoicism, women being incapable of love and so on. What I'm saying here is what works. Mark Manson has some good texts on attitude etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 08:40 PM
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This is possible if you have crazy status and money. Looks, money, status.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 08:38 PM
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Ok. Looks(in the order of which it would be most logical to attack a problem with your looks, easiest things first for the greatest effects): Get a good haircut that fits with your facial shape, and make sure to maintain it and style your hair every day. Consider facial hair if your chin is very small Buy skin cleaning products and use them daily on your face. Start dressing more fashionably. You don't have to follow fashion literally, but you should have some sense of it. Wearing a "light versi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 08:24 PM
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If a guy looks attractive then he is by definition attractive, duh. If a guy who is not attractive (say, fat and dresses bad) tries to act like he's a male model around women, that won't work. I don't see how this is such a hard concept to grasp.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 08:10 PM
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I don't know. I do know that human beings, as creatures with social hierarchies, find ways to "feel each other out" socially to make a determination as to who the other is. They size each other up. They make judgements and determinations. Call that what you will, it is an integral part of our social programming. Oh yes, people absolutely are capable of this. But this isn't done by "testing", it's done by observing body language and group dynamics. You would probably be able to tell who the leade…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 08:08 PM
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Word for word nah. But I'm really sure guys are out there analyzing conversations and thinking "Ok, now I should apply this technique from TRP..."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:44 PM
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Do you want me to write how I think one gains looks and status (money is kind of a given) then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:43 PM
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If a guy is a fatass and decides to start hitting the gym like crazy and becomes super fit is that a "feeble attempt at mimicking an attractive person"? No, he has actually made himself more attractive. If the fatass starts trying to act as if he's attractive while doing absolutely nothing else, that's a feeble attempt at mimickin what an attractive person would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:38 PM
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Trying to hide it if you're nervous as shit with a woman won't help either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 07:37 PM
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Even more: Look at the calendar of any given woman. You'll see "Gangbang with Chad at three" "Giving blowjobs to the entire football team at 5". This is how all women live.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:08 AM
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Notice TRP doesnt say anything specific, it doesn't give you anything specific scripts like PUA sometimes does. Its an ideology rather than a few memorized techniques You mean except from the specific scripts and techniques I linked to above?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:45 AM
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chill/stoic + capable of taking constructive criticism and not taking other people seriously is how you maintain frame You don't have to think at all, just play and have fun. No one actually thinks "omg is she shit testing me??" its all normal and internalized if you swallow the pill, everything is natural. The only people who have to think about it are people who don't really believe it, the people who think of it as a "trick" like a pua Right. No techniques required This is basically PUA.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:06 AM
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Evolutionary pschology is IMO our best source of understanding on human sexual attraction. The giant leaps in logic made by TRP on issues such as hypergamy, brach jumping, and shit testing means that it is far removed from what evo psych actually tells us. Our genetic programming isn't easily fooled. In order to attract more women, you have to become a more attractive person. All these TRP tricks and tips that are discussed all the time are feeble attempts at mimicking an attractive person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:04 AM
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Was there something in that post you didn't understand? What exactly isn't convincing about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:02 AM
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Maybe. I like Mark Manson so this wouldn't surprise me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 09:59 AM
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It's basic evo psych. Signs of good genetic fitness. If you want to dissect the secrets of the human mind you should study psychology. It's very fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 09:58 AM
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I know. Every PUA back in the day also claimed that it proved their crazy theories. It doesn't. Hypergamy as defined by TRP is a huge jump in logic from what we see in evolutionary psychology. The logical failure in hypergamy is that it assumes every woman wants, can have and will settle for nothing less than the men top notch men. Evolutionary psychology asserts no such thing - it merely explains what women in general are attracted to and why these traits have been adaptive. The attraction to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 09:57 AM
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Dude, fucking think about it. This is akin to saying you need a citation that says most people experience fear. I don't know how you are relating to the idea of humans testing each other, but every instance of banter has a testing aspect to it. Believe me, I know - when I was a kid, I took everything personally, including what I now see as mostly just kids bantering. I failed in the eyes of my peers constantly just by taking their bullshit personally. If I had just thrown it back, or laughed it …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 09:51 AM
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I would recommend finding the source of your nervousness and attacking it. Whether you own up to it or try to hide it at the date probably won't change much in my opinion. The most important place for you to own up to it is amongst friends - share your experience. I don't know what's causing your nervousness so there's not much I can suggest outside of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 09:31 AM
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You're describing sexual attraction and romantic attraction as the same thing. There is plenty of scientific evidence they are different things. You only have to look at the evidence of what women prefer in men throughout their cycle, or short term vs long term partners. You've given a desncription how to get a girlfriend, not how to get laid. And there are plenty of guys with girlfriends who are barely getting laid. I think that may be a common misunderstanding in blue pill thinking. Not unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 09:27 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3vydv1/cmv_the_male_desire_for_sex_is_internal_and_not/cxs4umd
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:28 PM
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Interesting. So, no offense here. But have you considered that your worldview might be a consequence of a personality trait that makes you a bit.... paranoid?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:16 PM
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There's the good old evolution of desire, and there's the matching hypothesis. Then there's literature on how to self-esteem works, and some studies on how people act when they're attracted to someone. For most people I think it's sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:15 PM
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Hot dudes can have tons of sex yes. That doesn't make cock carosel valid. Most women won't have sex with these guys during college. Even if they've had 100-200+ partners it's still just a tiny fraction of the total amount of women. And it's not like this changes anything. So a girl you're with has had sex with a super attractive guy once. So what? What does that change? If you've had sex with a super hot girl, does that change anything for her?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:08 PM
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I wasn't trying to just give you crap. Your comments are thoughtful and you engaged civilly. I felt I should let you know in case you wanted to mention these concepts elsewhere and I didn't want someone else to dismiss your arguments out of hand for shallow reasons. Thanks for doing that, I don't like sounding stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:03 PM
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The TRP solution is way more complicated than what you will find in the literature. I can summarize the literature: Women are attracted to looks, money and status in general We have a pretty good idea of how people look and act when they're attracted to someone. Easiest signs: They raise their eyebrows when looking at you, their pupils grow larger, their (women) voice is more high-pitched, their pulse rises, and they fidget around. Generally people are attracted to similarities - similar interes…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:02 PM
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Everyone tests everyone all the time. It's part of our social makeup. It's mostly an unconscious/irrational activity, but it's abundant. Citation needed. The paradox being that women are rarely attracted to unimpressive men. You can "be yourself" all you want - that alone will not having women dropping their panties in your presence. Most men think "Be yourself" means "Do everything like you always do". Most men are not "themselves" all the time. It takes a lot of bravery and integrity to be you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:47 PM
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This was something you disputed earlier, IIRC? Nah, I said it would support your notion of high female standards. Which it does, I wasn't aware of that part of the study. I'm going to look further into this. So, seriously though, one more thing: William of Occam's name has no "h" in it (when spelled with 2 c's, anyway) and Thomas Bayes' name is "Thomas Bayes." Well, that's embarassing. One of the things that are annoying as hell once you're aware of the correct spelling. All that is required to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:37 PM
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Ok, just ignore what I say and reply with something absurd instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:31 PM
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If you have to think about how to pass a shit-test, you most likely will fail. If you have to think about "maintaining frame", you stand a good chance of losing your frame. You get your head/priorities/"inner game"/whatever-you-wanna-call-it right, this stuff comes naturally. Until that time, you will find yourself faking it to some degree or another, and you will fail to the same degree. I would go one step further and say that even thinking about this stuff at all is useless. IMO women who tes…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:29 PM
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You've got it backwards - "not caring" is (overly-simplistically) how you maintain frame. "Maintaining frame" is a result, not a cause. A-ha. So then TRP *doesn't * actually encourage guys to continually be aware of potential shit-tests that they should try to pass, and if they don't the women will think they're low value? And they don't recommend being consciously aware that you should never express negative feelings or weaknesses? Because I've seen a whole lot of RPers claiming that this stuff…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:13 PM
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Or he could just read some psychology articles. Which would tell him what is attractive and what isn't And then he could stop trying to be alpha all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 09:51 PM
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Nonsense. A rational actor will choose the woman he believes will be the best long-term partner. I would be surprised if we really disagree about this. A rational actor doesn't exist, especially when it comes to relationships and sex. Looks play a huge part in how you see a person in general (heard of the halo effect?). Matching theory also demonstrates that people usually end up with partners of similar physical attractiveness. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matching_hypothesis - wiki page I kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 09:50 PM
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Here's my theory, based on my own experience with the PUA community: Man is for some reason not getting what he wants out of his romantic life. In many cases because he hasn't been very social, has spent a lot of time inside, etc. He may also suffer from the "Nice guy syndrome". Man is fed up with lack of success, finds TRP when searching for some frustrating topic (why do women like jerks, for instance). TRP speaks a language that makes sense of the mans life. Man starts lifting, dressing bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 09:23 PM
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But in the past, I associated with a lot. I would dare say, far more than you have. I've never met a secure, self confident woman. Every single one of them is insecure. Far more than I have lol, what do you base that on? I'm having a hard time believing you've met more than a handful of women if you haven't ever met a confident woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 09:14 PM
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Come on, get the stick out of your ass. This is light hearted conversation, you would never react to a similar description of men. Challenge the flawed TRP worldview instead of acting like the PC police from south park.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 09:11 PM
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I think it's partially due to the fact that white women's skin is more easily damaged by the sun. And they go out in the sun to get a tan.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 09:07 PM
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Absolutely, but like I said I think the majority of girls are cheaters. I think if you are going to attract the unicorn types (low N count, low BMI, not cheaters, comes from a good family, nurturing, domestically skilled, healthy sex drive, financially stable, etc.) you need to be in that top 5% of men. I consider myself top 17% percentile and rising, but thats a far cry from top 5%. For that you need to be tall (like 6'3" or better), have tons of money, etc. I might get there some day and then …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 09:05 PM
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Sorry to short circuit it here, but, no, I clearly do not accept this as a given. The "access functional" (to coin a term) for women does not increase monotonically with attractiveness. Rather, it has at least one plateau, around, say, HB6.5. That is, women who are 7's have essentially the same chance of ending up with a "hot" guy as do women that are 9.5's. This is because male preferences are not like female preferences (I didn't say anything about "pickiness" on purpose, but that is part of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:56 PM
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You don't get it. Your problem was that you were nervous - not that you were open about it. Being open in general makes you radiate more confidence than not being open. It doesn't mean that every trait you have is magically replaced with confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:47 PM
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Dude, I'm not hounding you just because you can't answer my questions. The fact that you think all women are insecure is an example of how TRP drives confident women away. Because you ascribe to TRP principles, and you apparently only run into women who are insecure. Adds up, doesn't it? It's called a self fulfilling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:44 PM
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Its not about being on watch. Mate guarding is what you describe and its beta behavior most of the time. I am talking about making sure your girls know you have options. Its called dread game and its the best tool in a plate spinners toolbox because it serves two functions. I am talking about "Keeping frame", not showing weakness, and keeping in mind that AWALT - all women are hypergamous and will branch swing, as is taught by TRP. Social proof. When one of your plates or an LTR sees other girls…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:41 PM
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Well I could dig up other studies and stats but I just don't feel the need to. You should check out if they're included in the literature review. From my experience and the experiences of my friends and family I say that the majority of girls are cheaters. Consider if you would that almost half of Tinderellas are married and over half are in an LTR. Anecdotes over statistics huh. But ok. The obvious explanation for this is that most women use Tinder for validation or fun - something that is evid…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:18 PM
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Yup. People don't realize acting cocky/arrogant makes one reek of insecurity. The most insecure people in the world are the "I'm so confident, everybody look at how confident I am" types. The type of "Ball-breaking" humor that people try to achieve with the "cocky/funny" thing is also very hard to teach oneself. It's based on observational skills and a quick wit - usually you either have it or you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 07:25 PM
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Ok, let's break it down. Hypothesis to test: Women are only happy with the best men. Premise we accept: The more attractive a woman is, the better access she has to the best men. Thus, beauty should have a bigger effect on relationship happiness for women than for men, as this implies that only the most attractive women are actually happy. If you still disagree, please explain why.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 07:11 PM
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From what I've understood the TRP standard of proof is anecdotes. Do you disagree with that? In that case, it's an example then, not proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 07:08 PM
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Most twerps or not natural Chads/Alphas You mean "are not" right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:30 PM
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If you don't care that means you're not constantly working on maintaining frame, being alpha and not showing weakness. That means you're not following TRP advice. But yes if you don't follow TRP advice but still have fun, talk to people, work on yourself etc. You will probably radiate confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:19 PM
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This sounds like proof that TRP drives confident women away to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:13 PM
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My boyfriend runs sometimes and does push ups in the morning and that's about it and I am still insanely attracted to him. He can down 2 burritos and some beer without crying about it, that's alpha to me! Damnit, I always tear up when I eat two burritos and some beer. I guess that's why I'm such a beta male.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:12 PM
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Being cocky-funny, teasing, game, being the Chaddish party guy, probably turns away insecure shy girls, but this stuff is loved by confident girls because they can sorta roll with it and play along. Yeah but the insecurity you radiate from thinking women will leave you the moment they find something better (branch jumping/hypergamy), thinking you have to pass shit test all the time and hold frame, and thinking you can't show any weakness drives away they confident girls because they smell your i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:09 PM
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You were on PUAhate? What was your username? But yes I agree, TBP is very fun because they poke fun at TRP much like PUAhate poked fun at PUA. However, they themselves are caricatures of SJW and they can't even see it themselves. It's hilarious as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:03 PM
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That's just a table, not a study reference. According to this article which discusses a literature review on the topic, the number is a lot lower - with a 25% chance of infidelity over the course of a relationship. The 50% figure was found to be: ...not based upon any scientific research. It’s something marketing companies just made up and use to scare (or motivate) people into buying into their service. The literature review also found the following risk factors for infidelity: significant, ong…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:00 PM
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They're not mutually exclusive. If you're constantly on the watch because you think your girlfriend will leave you if she percieves some weakness, that's a lot of insecurity in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 03:48 PM
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No idea what the tone was though right, if she is umming and ahhing out loud about the temperature it does sound like her problem, if her tone was friendly then he could offer to do her the favour, but maybe she was trying to lord her power within the relationship over him and the correct response to that would be to 'be an asshole', and as I just said, not for no reason. This is the kind of paranoia that TRP breeds. Take a goddamn chill pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:20 AM
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This site, which refers to actual studies, put the number at 25%. And IIRC that's 20% of women and 30% of men in relationships, and it is moderated by how happy the couple is with the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:18 AM
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The 50-60% are the girls who admit to cheating. In what study again? study social dynamics You mean you read PUA. Because actually reading some psychology would not lead you into TRP. So yes, I suppose it is my fault for having standards/self respect. I've heard this type of argument before. Usually it goes like "So yes if I have to be an asshole to get women then I get it's my fault for being one of the few good men left"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:15 AM
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that you might be the cause. you are what those women have in common, after all. So much this. I mean, how would you react if a woman told you "All men are pigs and assholes who cheat and drink and yell!". Would you perhaps tell her she was bad at choosing men? Of course the same thing applies to men! I think this is what TRP is to many men. An attempt to reduce cognitive dissonance. They don't want to realize that maybe they are the problem, so the comfortable solution is that all women are mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:12 AM
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One of the pillars of TRP is that there is no "half" of a relationship. If you are ever equal to your woman, she automatically sees you as less than her and is well on her way to cucking or branch swinging. So TRPers in a relationship are constantly insecure?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:08 AM
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Sounds like it can give you frame-loss paranoia as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:07 AM
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From what I understand it sounds like a prett stupid concept. I mean sure, having your own values and living by them is important - it's called integrity. However, one of the values should be intellectual honesty: You should always be ready to change your mind if something more reasonable/logical is presented. I think it's really more about having the guts to actually speak your mind, and having to the guts to stand for something. "Holding frame" as in actively working to control the frame of a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 08:06 AM
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Mental masturbation
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 07:58 AM
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Yes yes, he's sooooo confident he's not afraid to show that he is nervous during a date, to show that he feels lucky to even have a date with you, and reeeeally cares about what you think of him. Sooo confident. Radiating so much confidence that he's not afraid to ask for permission before every move he makes on you. If you compare two versions of the guy you just made up where in one instance he tries to hide being nervous and in one instance he just owns it, then yes the second version will ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 07:27 AM
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All we have is anecdote. But, lots of anecdotal evidence is evidence. Lots of anecdotes gathered in a systematic way is evidence. Lots of anecdotes in a place where people come to talk about a certain ideology and tell people how to percieve the world is not evidence. You'll find the same thing in a church - newly religious people suddenly see god everywhere and realize god was this and that in their past. Do you really think this is provable? More to the point, do you really think the opposite …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 07:21 AM
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My point is: Of course women are interested in who you are as a person. Just like you do as a man. If you don't have anything in common or any chemistry, no relationship will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 10:06 PM
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Right, because women want the alpha man and all that yadda yadda. There's some truth to that. But the man who radiates confidence is the guy who isn't afraid to show weakness. That's true courage. The guy who is afraid of showing his weaknesses will radiate that exact thing: Fear of someone discovering him for the fraud he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 09:59 PM
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It is laid out in the simplest terms that it can be said in. If it's blowing your "women are wonderful" leftoid circuits, I can't help you. There are many, MANY examples throughout history that illustrate this. You would, no doubt, reject them all. I don't care about your emotionally biased anecdotes. Science or gtfo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 09:50 PM
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Your logic behind that crazy claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 09:44 PM
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I agree. Clearly, though, the traits women are attracted to can outweigh the asshole traits and cause her to date a man who most people would consider a piece of shit. The red pill argument isn't that women exclusively date genuine assholes, or that women are attracted to assholes because they treat women like shit; it's that women would rather date an asshole with the qualities she desires than a fawning doormat without those qualities. Well to be fair I see a lot of redpillers conding asshole …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 09:39 PM
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Here is another faulty assumption you need to cast off. Women will NEVER be interested in you as a person. Only what you can provide for them. Elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 08:43 PM
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I want to find someone who actually cares about who I am as a person, not just what I look like. Are you willing to compromise on the looks of that person then? Because if you don't want to work on your looks, you can't expect them to work on theirs
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 08:40 PM
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The assumption I'm talking about is the one your make in your explanation of cognitive dissonance -- that the other commenter "believes he is attractive to a woman... is then rejected... [and] conclud[es] that there's nothing wrong with him, but that the woman has an irrational dating preference." That's a whole mess of assumptions about a guy you know nothing about. Of course that exact run of events doesn't apply to every single guy out there. However, I argue that this is the main function of…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 08:35 PM
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The conclusion "I don't get laid because women go for assholes" is probably caused by an attempt to resolve cognitive dissonance. But yes I absolutely agree confirmation bias is a huge part of why people find truth in TRP theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 07:55 PM
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And your basis for this massive assumption is...? The fact that women aren't attracted to assholes. They're attracted to confidence and good looks. A ludicrous comparison does not demonstrate anything. It's entirely reasonable to believe that some women date assholes when they could instead date men who are better on paper. Claiming that this is as mythically rare as alien abductions is nonsense. I see, you didn't understand what I meant. I was demonstrating a flaw in your logic. You claimed tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 07:27 PM
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What are the two contradictory beliefs he's holding simultaneously? That's only one type of cognitive dissonance. The most common type is the one where you are confronted with an external reality that contradicts your inner beliefs. In this case, cognitive dissonance is experienced by a man who believes he is attractive to a woman, and who is then rejected. Instead of having to realize that he isn't attractive to the woman, the man then reduces the dissonance by concluding that there's nothing w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 07:04 PM
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This is a grossly simplistic view of genetics, but yeah - we're a pretty successful species. I would suggest that attractive traits have, in fact, survived. I would suggest that you will find a similar notion expressed in even the most elementary of human genetics textbooks. Yeah it's kind of simplistic - just like TRP. Of course attractive traits have survived, however, women only feeling satisfied by the best males makes no sense. How happy is a woman who is aware that she is sharing a man? Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 06:17 PM
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Your only criticism is the tone, not the validity of the claim. Ok. Then I add that it's an invalid claim. It's a result of a guy experiencing cognitive dissonance. If you've seen several women turn down great guys to shack up with shitheads, you've heard about the same thing from thousands of other people, and you've seen this same trope crop up in all sorts of literature and media, maybe it's reasonable to conclude this is a decent description of reality and not merely "passive aggressive." If…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 05:49 PM
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Indeed, they have been comfortable with the 80% bread for the duration of human history. Comfortable is an important word, however. This is one place where our bakery analogy really starts to break down: a baker would just make more of the 20% bread if the market demanded it. But, what we're really taking about here is top 20% in physical attractiveness. That commodity never increases, by definition. There will never be more than one loaf of the gold bread for every 4 loaves of other bread. Well…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 04:38 PM
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There were plenty of guys like this in PUA who believed that looks meant nothing (common PUA trope). There are still a ton of them over at the rsd forums. The fact that guys did not get laid by using PUA without working on their looks probably goes a long way in explaining why PUA died out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 03:55 PM
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Not by definition. TRP isn't based on scientific facts though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 03:50 PM
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Red Pill treats women as the flawed humans as they are. Just like men having, in general, overarching flawed personality traits, women do as well. Just because women have flaws and people point them out doesn't mean those people hate women. Eh. TRP claims a woman will instantly ditch you if a better man comes along (branch jumping), that she cannot truly love, that she isn't loyal, etc. These are all qualities that would make a man inherently a more moral person. It's like saying "I'm not a raci…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 07:46 AM
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They'll pass up a hundred kind, generous, respectful, egalitarian men to suck that asshole's dick and clean his apartment for him, even though he's fucking five other women just like her. You can just smell the passive agressiveness here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 07:38 AM
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I think TRP works for TRPers mostly because of what they stop doing, not because of what they start doing. They stop being total doormats who act as if they respect women in order to get sex. Then they start lifting, dressing better, respecting themselves, and doing some other stuff that probably isn't too good for their success but ostensibily appears to be a fundamental component of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 07:35 AM
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But, what I'm really saying is that they (and, indeed, most everyone) lie about how much they value the bread and how utterly unremarkable 80% of all bread is. If I'm tryna make a sammich, I need to know what the important things are and how relatively important they are. That's all. But still 80% of women seem pretty comfortable eating the unremarkable 80% of sandwich bread. In fact, the demand for this bread has been steady, and they have been eating it for hundreds of thousands of years. Sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 06:41 AM
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Never show WEAKNESSES Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 06:36 AM
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Label me contrarian, does not change my arguments. You have no arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 06:31 AM
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So you went into this thread, and it seems all you wanted to do was to tell people they gave the wrong sort of advice, with no alternative formulated by yourself. Hope for your sake that's not how you are in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:19 AM
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I'm confident that a relationship that has lasted since september, where the woman says the guy doesn't sexually excite her, will not last. Sexual attraction is one of the fundamental requirements of a romantic relationship. Breaking up is not an extreme course of action in this case. This is my opinion. He asked for advice. If you disagree ok that's your opinion. But you posted this on everyone so you're probably just trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:04 AM
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Yup, this. I made a thread about being open with one's emotions. Tons of redpillers seemed to equate this with uncontrollable emotional expressions that burdens everyone around them. And the only alternative was to "Soldier on" and "Solve the problem". No in-between.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:01 AM
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TRP has a huge emotional bias. Just read what guys like bengunn are posting. On one hand, they constantly complain about how unfair the world is and how women are unfair and only go for the top 10% of men. On the other hand, they claim to see this every day. Don't you think maybe there's some emotional bias on their perception of everyday reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:59 PM
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TRP is very emotional. It's basically a huge emotional outlet for guys. Did your girlfriend leave you for another guy? Fear not! You did everything right and logical as society told you, it's women that are born with this thing called hypergamy! You cure this by becoming an asshole! See there, now your self esteem and pride can remain, and you'll get to act out on your revenge fantasy with a clean conscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:56 PM
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Kind of a weird thing to say given the fact that OP actually asks for advice on his life after supplying 10 small paragraphs don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:54 PM
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Sounds like a convenient excuse. "She doesn't want be because her standards are too high. It has nothing to do with me".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:50 PM
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Eh, Tinder's there but it's not like every man has stopped approaching because it exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:37 PM
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This article is about a woman that experiences cognitive dissonance: She went out and no one hit on her. Instead of thinking "Maybe these guys just weren't interested in me", she claims that it's because every single guy in the US suddenly has stopped approaching women. And then, when realizing that (que dramatic music) every guy she approaches isn't automatically interested either, she rationalizes this as "Men don't like being approached". Instead of the obvious: Not everyone is interested in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:33 PM
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Well if you're in a culture that dictates "Men who complain about stuff = weak and unmanly" then that shouldn't be surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:20 PM
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They get sad, but they can't talk about it because that would be showing weakness and their entire family and circle of friends would disown them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:19 PM
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You're forgetting "Women are like this because I can find examples of women saying they're like this on the internet" Or "I did an experiment on an online dating site so this proves everything"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:16 PM
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This is not a "Random platitude". You responded to my comment where I stated that men shouldn't anything as a social obligation with the following: and you don't need to evade the deeper question of "what do people want" by answering it with the useless "whatever they want!!" Where you for some reason start dicussing what people want. What you want is an internal desire. What you should is an externally enforced goal. Discussing this isn't a random platitude that doesn't add value. These concept…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:14 PM
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I'm not a "Bluepiller". But my piece of advice is the following: Break up. The relationship obviously won't last, and if you get dumped by her(or she cheats on you, which seems likely), your self-esteem will plummet. You'll feel in control of your life by doing what's best for you. If you're a typical "Nice guy" then TRP stuff will sound logical because it's kind of half-right. However, instead of trying to be "alpha" and pass "Shit tests", you should just learn to respect yourself - and breakin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 06:52 PM
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If every woman you meet only tell horrible, horrible stories maybe you're looking in the wrong places.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 06:40 PM
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A guy who wants to get laid doesn't really care if a woman is no good. Fair enough, I guess that's true in many cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 06:38 PM
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The comment you cited nails it I think maybe if men were pressured to value to themselves for their looks as much as girls were then maybe some people wouldn't need TRP's advice as much as they do. Maybe that's a reason women seem to have the advantage in the SMP. They're told that it's all about their looks from the start. Historically, a man's ability to provide and protect has been much more important in order to attract a mate, than his looks. For women however, they've always known looks ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:50 AM
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I would become a millionaire by selling bogus pick-up advice. I would be able to demonstrate everything with 100% success.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 01:51 AM
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I don't define myself as BP. But yes, I think it's a valid concept to some extent. It's overanalyzed by PUA/TRP people though. I've literally heard women tell me they test men to see if they're really as confident as they appear. Women who have never heard of TRP or PUA. But these are usually the types of women who like social games etc. TRP says that shit testing is a good sign, I strongly disagree. If a woman starts "Shit testing" it's either a sign that you're coming off as very fake, or that…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 01:47 AM
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I'll elaborate: When you're socially inexperienced (as women are in their teenage years), it's harder to see through it when people put up an act. As women gain social experience, and especially as they meet older, more confident men, the guys who mask their insecurities and act tough don't fool them anymore. They see them for what they are - insecure. It stands in the way of developing a genuine connection because the woman(or man for that sake) has no way of knowing whether or not her man is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 01:34 AM
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I think it's because TRP men don't really know how to handle their emotions. The idea they have of expressing them is a total loss of control. The concept of putting them into words seems totally alien.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 01:23 AM
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Yes, men and women are different in both nature and nurture. But you are in no way applying any of the gender differences to intersexual dynamics. Go read some social psychology, evolutionary psychology and personality psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 12:58 AM
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Yep. I agree with mark manson on most things. Anyways, in terms of attracting women, I think people should prioritize in this order: Look as good as you can. Everyone knows this. Learn to recognize when a woman is interested in you - body language cues, etc. Learn to actually go for it when you see a woman is interested. Focus on becoming a good listener. Develop yourself into the person you want to be - never stop working on yourself. Know your values and stay true to them. Don't be ashamed of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 12:09 AM
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http://markmanson.net/vulnerability I think we're agreeing here. Owning your weakness is the key - but this also means that you're open about it when it's natural. If someone asks you about something and you have a choice between either pretending to be cool/strong or just being honest, you should just be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/15 02:13 PM
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I'm going to pretend like you didn't just use 15 year old philosophy on me. There's more to life than having zero negative impact on others, and you don't need to evade the deeper question of "what do people want" by answering it with the useless "whatever they want!!" Yeah I get it, sounded a bit childish. But what people want and what people should are completely different questions. If you're wondering if it's ok for a man to appear shocked if his best friend backstabs him or sadness if his b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/15 12:49 PM
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HAHAHAHA. In most cases, the woman is CAUSING the drinking problem. If the man was dealing with a logical being, there would be no need to numb himself with alcohol. Uh.. you're just making that up. Women have a hyper-sensitivity to all stimuli compared to men, and their heightened emotional state persists long after the stimuli passes. This means that the next stimuli is further exaggerated, because she is unable to calm down. Further, they are encouraged to "be in touch with their emotions" an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/15 12:26 PM
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I'm not saying you can't feel invulnerable. I'm just saying you actually aren't. If your whole family died tomorrow, you'd be devastated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 06:46 PM
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No. I mean, those are very important things, but I'm specifically talking about the benefits of being open and honest. Not neccesarily crying or something like that, but being honest with you feel, your insecurities etc. Owning them and not being ashamed of/trying to hide them. Mark Manson has an article on this very topic, are you familiar with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 06:44 PM
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In the observations you make all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 06:41 PM
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I think you should look up the terms confirmation bias and self-fulfilling prophecy. What's your explanation for why my experience is so different?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 06:17 PM
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Obama shows weakness when it's natural But also remember that Barak Obama's job is basically putting on an act. He probably shows a lot of weakness to his wife, for instance, because that's one of the few instances where he can.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 06:13 PM
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And people who aren't terrified of showing weakness will be upfront about their weakness as an excuse to not do it. They expect to receive compassionate support because they were "being open about their weakness", and being open about your weaknesses is a good thing, right? That wins you points, right? That's not being open, that's being manipulative. An open person will say "Listen, this is how I feel so I'm not going to do this. Ok?" It's not an excuse. An excuse is by defintion a plea to remo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 06:09 PM
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Dude, observation is the key to deduction. You can't observe how people think and feel. The only way to understand that is by asking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 06:05 PM
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until the same thing happens again. Women live for this roller coaster of emotion, whereas men would rather find the root cause and change it, instead of doing damage control every single time so that the woman can feel like he is emotionally invested. There's some truth to this in research. However, this has a flipside for men. There's a clear connection between a man's ability to handle emotional issues, and the likelihood that he will develop a drinking problem. Let's compare it do an injury:…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 06:04 PM
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Yup. I started thinking like this around four years ago. This girl I was dating would constantly tell me I was afraid to talk about "serious matters", and that I would just joke about it whenever she attempted to make me open up. After a while I realized that she was absolutely right - I was doing this in tons of situations, whenever something became uncomfortable I would just start joking. It was such a built in tension. So I started attempting to be more open little by little with baby steps. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 05:57 PM
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When women say "I want a man who admits to his vulnerability and leaves his guard down around me" what they mean is all too often "I want a man who is totally unfazed 95% of the time and every once in a while he shows me (and only me FFS!!!!11) that he also has a vulnerable side". A guy who shows off his vulnerability and isn't ashamed of it is more likely to be perceived as pathetic than attractive1 . Yet what too many men get from it is that being vulnerable and "not in control" is attractive,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 05:51 PM
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Being emotionally open would mean that you are actually expressing, in the moment, the feelings as you feel them. Not in the sense I'm talking about. You don't need to constantly express everything you feel, just like you don't need to express that you're hungry unless it's a moment where it makes sense to express that. Being open IMO just means not attempting to hide your weaknesses and insecurities in the instances where they are potentially visible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 05:45 PM
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The people in my life want to see me produce results, not feelings, which are a dime a dozen. I think this is your anxiety and insecurity speaking. Your friends and family probably only want your best. But if you have thoughts you really don't want to share with them there's always theraphy. For the more regular weaknesses and insecurities though, opening up is healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 05:40 PM
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Ok, opening up: "I get very anxious when I talk in front of crowds. I can barely think and my hands start shaking, I start sweating and I feel like everyone's judging me"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 05:04 PM
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this assumes honesty and straighforwardness in women, which overall does not exist. It's pretty sad if you genuinely believe this. You cannot solve the problem if one party cares more about sympathy than finding a solution. If the problem itself is the emotional consequence of something, and not the root cause of it, sympathy does indeed solve the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 05:03 PM
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I feel like you are saying that you can speak, intellectually and dispassionately, about your weaknesses and emotions. But to me, that's very different than actually opening up and expressing those emotions and weaknesses. Not dispassionately. Intellectually yeah, I think you can do that. The more you learn to translate your emotions into words, the more you'll be able to control them and understand them. When you train yourself to not talk about emotions, you get better and better at... not tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 05:01 PM
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Sooner or later, my emotions will drag people down. That's a fact. Why? Are you constantly depressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 04:53 PM
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Women aren't afraid of rejection. Riiiight. LOL. I think you haven't gone out much of the house if you think women just sit pretty and play with their hair to get guys to talk to them. This is coming from someone who says he knows a lot about dating and casual sex not from experience, but from sitting by himself and staring at people. But hey, you're free to believe whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 04:53 PM
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You're taking it to extremes - I'm not talking about suicidal people, just general insecurities and ups and downs that are normal to every person on earth. The settings I'm talking about are when you're with a woman, or with friends, and you're actively trying to hide your weaknesses all the time. Stuff like this is what I'm talking about. When a guy or a girl absolutely has to reply with some genious comeback, that person comes across as extremely insecure. If you're messing with a guy and he a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 04:49 PM
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Some women are hypergamous. Some men are polygamous. Most women are attracted to a wide range of men, including men who are in their own "league". Most men have one partner at a time if they're in a relationship. Attractive men can of course have casual relationships with many women at once. But most of these women too will want a man who is exclusively hers sooner or later. There is a trade going on in this situation where the woman allows the man to be with other women because the man is very …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 03:49 PM
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It's not a contradiction. I'll use an example to illustrate: Women are killed by their partners all the time. Meaning, this happens frequently and a lot of murders take this shape. However, this does not mean that most men are murderers. Get it? Most women are not intersted in casual sex most of the time. But a lot of the casual sex most women are having is with average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 03:43 PM
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Alphas are dominant enough that they could probably kill those 80%. They also control access to resources such as foodstuffs. Hahaha no. Clearly beta males have babies because not every woman can get an alpha male. The alpha is himself only attracted to the most healthy, fertile women while the women are primarily attracted to alphas given the opportunity. But it's necessary for betas to be motivated to work for the tribe rather than just be self-sufficient. This may be why assortative mating wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 03:31 PM
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But testosterone can be rather significantly altered through your own behaviours? Hence hormesis. You can take drugs. And while testosterone fluctuates by being competitive etc, it won't fluctuate to the insane level that it reaches during puberty when your face develops. above article suggested that attractive couples primarily sire daughters not sons-and attractive daughters too. And? This doesn't change anything. You can trace ancestry in women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 03:27 PM
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It would be fun, but probably not very effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 03:25 PM
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I disagree. Being a wimp is unattractive, being a doormat is unattractive. Those types of people are fundamentally weak most of the time. Their defining trait is weakness. A normal, balanced person can show weakness every now and then and no one will care. If you become a wimp when you open up, you have issues that need resolving.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 03:25 PM
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The phenotypical signs of testosterone on your face for instance would still be there regardless of all of these factors. If women only had babies with high testosterone alpha men, those would be all the men that existed. And you would also be able to see this clearly in genetic research - most humans would share male ancestors but not female. This hasn't been found.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:54 PM
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You don't get it. Let's say you're in prehistoric mankind. A woman is with a man for protection, but secretly sneaks off to fuck the super hot alpha man because that's what she wants. Man catches her cheating, is furious, kills her. Or man catches her cheating and leaves her. No protection. All women in camp going for 20% of the men? The rest of the men gang up and kill those 20%. And not to mention the fact that if only alpha males had babies there would be no beta men today. Mate preferences t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:51 PM
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Right, but they're not attracted to these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:44 PM
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Sorry, I used the wrong word for some reason. See edit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:44 PM
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Well yes. If I talk to my grandmother, I will behave in a different matter than if I'm with my friends. But I keep it real with both of them in the sense that I'm honest about my strengths and weaknesses. If I'm feeling down one day because something bad happened, I will be open about that with both my friends and my grandmother, and probably with some girl I'm dating If I've been dating her for a while. But I will express myself in different ways with the different people. I might swear a lot w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:42 PM
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Interesting article. And in general, I think about 20-ish percent of men don't have children at the age of 40, and something like 12-ish percent of females if I remember correctly. So it's true statistically probably that the bottom tier of men don't have kids, and there are also studies showing that the top tier of men often remarry and have more children than the average man. But most people aren't top or bottom tier. Most people are average. The vast majority of average women won't have a cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:28 PM
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That doesn't change anything. There's no evolutionary logic in women only wanting the best men and not being satisfied with anything else. These women would die out, paticularly when taken into consideration the sexual jealousy of men in times where no regulatory body could stop us from killing a woman who cheated on her man. I don't know what ovulation or not has to do with this. Women find phenotypical signs of testosterone levels more attractive during ovulation in some studies yes. This does…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:21 PM
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If that's the meaning of the term, it's meaningless. This applies to men as well. No man wants a woman who is of lower value than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:17 PM
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I have female friends as well. I know what it's like when they trust you. Most women are frankly way too scared to approach a guy and ask him for sex, and way too scared of being called a slut. I think you're just pulling stuff out of your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:15 PM
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Ok then, what type of person would you like to discuss? LIke, and average person, not someone with every mental issue in the dictionary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 02:03 PM
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For example, I'm a straight talker at heart. I prefer to use rational arguments to convince people. It just hardly ever works, but if I resort to powertalk I get results. So I can talk the way I want and people won't do what I want them to do, or I can talk differently and they'll do what I want. Of course you have to adapt how you talk to who you're with. Being real is about acting in line with your values, being honest about your weaknesses etc. Manipulation involves deception pretending to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 12:37 PM
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I don't like using "will it make her leave him" as a metric. Women keep betas around for a variety of reasons, and relying on her for support is a strong signal of emotional dependance which is one of the things women need from a beta. A beta bucks who shares his emotions is doing his job and she won't kick him out for that. C'mon, that's just a lame excuse. So if a man is open, has a good relationship with lots of sex and passion, that's somehow a negative thing because that makes him a "beta".…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 12:04 PM
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These 2 alphas had their own girlfriends but they kept the rest of the women in a harem sort of thing, like it happens in the animal world, so it happens in the human world. When I look outside of my classroom I see a lot of guys who are in ''relationships'' but aren't having sex at all, or little(they tell me) or I see most guys being single and without hook-ups. Ok I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit. There's just no way you have this much information about the relationships of absolutely every…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 12:00 PM
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A man shouldn't complain, cry, or expose feelings he has that are negative. A man "shouldn't" anything. He should do whatever the fuck he wants as long as he doesn't hurt anyone else. For starters, everyone has a bad experience from time to time. At the same time, part of being a good host is making others feel good around you. Complaining to people, unless it's infrequent and to very close friends, only brings the mood of others around you down. I'd rather make people feel welcomed and happy ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:58 AM
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No, that was just to illustrate how you can refrain from doing something for other reasons than fear. I understand. But when people say they won't show their feelings because they think women will judge them for it and leave them, that is fear by definition. It is a decision made from fear. Now I think your point was that it's a legitimate concern. A more suitable allegory would be that you don't spit in your wife's face not because of fear, but because that will probably make her leave you. Our…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:14 AM
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If you want to be a better man then doing that is being yourself. Being yourself means doing what you want because you want to, instead of doing what you think others want you to do. You like playing games and manipulating people, you go ahead and do that. Don't be suprised when all the women you get are manipulative game-players themselves though. But hey if you like that, good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:11 AM
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I'm arguing against the full definition as can be read in the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:09 AM
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Those things have nothing to do with being open. Unless you're suggesting that every TRPer is actually depressed, angsty, chronically unwell, insecure, angry and otherwise hard work but just manages to repress it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:07 AM
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So those two alpha guys were in a relationship with all the other women then? I mean, even if you look outside of your class, this doesn't add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:40 AM
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In terms of hookups weakness will turn them away. This I can agree with. A ONS just wants as much fun and excitement as possible. And the same goes for me as a man as well: I don't want a random ONS to start opening up. We're not there yet. But when it comes to how you generally act around people you know, I think being open and real is the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:39 AM
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Well sure, if you ignore 90% of the definition it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:37 AM
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If women only went for the best guys, the women with the genes that made this behavior happen would have died out a long time ago. By defintion, there just aren't enough guys for this. For the human race to exist, evolution favored women who were also attracted to men who weren't top notch. Otherwise they'd have no incentive to have sex with the average man, and there'd basically be no average men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:36 AM
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In my experience, talking about an emotion just comes off as complaining and exacerbates the problem even more. I'd rather advise men to just deal with their problems all on their own. They're the only ones who really care and know what it is they need to do to fix them. Trust thyself. Then you're probably a bad listener. Dealing with everything on your own is pretty inefficient. Not talking about your emotions is like ignoring that weird sound in your car because you think talking about it and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:34 AM
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It's not because of hypergamy. It's because women are less interested in casual sex and this gives them bargaining power. But women also have casual sex with average looking guys, this happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:33 AM
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I don't know which studies you're referring to. Some studies say women are not intersted in casual sex when they're asked about what they're looking for. The very definition of regret means that they have to have sex first in order to regret it so I'm not sure what you're saying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:32 AM
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That's not the TRP definition of hypergamy. Men are also attracted to women who are more attractive than ourselves. The TRP definition of hypergamy states that women always want a better man and will shit test her guy all the time. The moment a better man comes along she will leave the worse man. Buss describes the evolutionary reason for why humans are attracted to certain traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:30 AM
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your feelings are hurt because you let them be Right. Now imagine you're talking to an SJW who's hiding in a "safe space" because s/he was triggered by someone using the word "Heterosexual". How would you help the SJW understand the s/he has chosen this reaction, and that it's not automatic and innate? Tell him/her to get over it and soldier on Talk to him/her, get him/her to describe how the action makes him/her feel, and try to locate the point in which a decision is made to interpret the word…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:28 AM
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You're not soldiering on when you're blubbering about your feelers. Soldiering on would involve working through the hurt fee fees then fixing the problem that caused it. No where in a solution does "opening up" help Opening up and talking about it is how you work through the feelings. I'll use a metaphor to explain: Guy wants to become a better runner. After running one day, he notices a sharp pain in his shins. Guy 1, "Doesn't open up equivalent": Takes a painkiller, soldiers on and keeps runni…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:25 AM
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It depends on the issue. Sometimes I already know the solution and just want to vent a bit. Sometimes talking about it is the solution (break ups, death of a relative etc). Most of the times I come up with the solution to problems myself, and talking about them with others is part of the process in which I do so. Trying to solve someone's problems without first empathizing is a classical mistake IMO. It's basically what all the women told TRPers when they grew up. They didn't listen, they just o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:18 AM
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There's some truth to this. Women more frequently focus on the emotional consequences of stress and issues, while men focus more often on solving the cause of their stress. However, that doesn't mean it's efficient. The most efficient way to solve problems is by both opening up about it and removing the root cause of the problem. Alcoholism is way more common amongst men than women, and the cause of this is that men aren't socialized to handle emotions properly. So instead, they drink when it be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:11 AM
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Yeah it's not as easy as it sounds. But it's a good virtue to have I think. If people judge you for being open, they can go fuck themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:04 AM
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Being in a relationship is like being the CEO of your girl? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:00 AM
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The number one complaint I hear from the women in my life is that they feel like they have to play mother to the men they are with. And they despise feeling like that. They want to have sex with strong men they respect and can count on and look up to, not weak guys who fall apart on a regular basis. I agree this is a thing. But this isn't an automatic reaction to being open. You can be open about your weaknesses and emotions and still be a strong person that others look up to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 07:59 AM
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I want people to know that they can count on me, that I can be strong, and that I can handle adversity. But by not opening up, you're demonstrating the exact opposite. You're demonstrating that you're afraid that your emotions will just drag people down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 07:55 AM
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Regardless of how you actually do perform, I was focusing on merely being open with the fact that you don't like it. For instance: Man 1, not afraid to be himself, in a random conversation: "I don't like talking in front of crowds. I mean, I'll do it if I have to, but I'd rather not. Always gets me way too nervous." Man 2, insecure about showing weakness: "I'm much better at one-to-one conversation. Talking in front of crowds is boring and inefficient, I just can't bother having to prepare a spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 07:52 AM
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He'd be better off just being himself and not giving a shit what others think of him. When you start worrying about what other people think of you in a non-professional social setting, and that makes you alter your behavior to avoid judgment you don't want, you are by definition insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 07:48 AM
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So you view yourself as the commander of your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 07:47 AM
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For the real alpha relationship experience you have to hide your weakness. I just don't see the logic behind this. But I guess we won't reach agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 07:46 AM
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Of course the majority of guys weren't friendzoned lol. The handsome and tall muscular men got it on with the pretty girls. The less pretty girls got it on with the less pretty guys. And so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 12:09 AM
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BP men are just what RP men were before. Most men are neither RP nor BP. Most men know that height, looks, and muscles attract women. Think back to school. Were all the guys getting friendzoned? Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 12:06 AM
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I actually don't think so. I think most men are very aware of this, the media industry and commercials show us attractive, powerful men as the ideal all the time. Some select few men aren't aware of this. In my opinion of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:58 PM
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Why is it weakness? Talking about an emotion enables you to understand why it's there. If you don't talk about it or understand it, it will influence your thoughts and actions and you won't know why. The most basic example of this is a child who is angry because he's tired or hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:57 PM
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Ok then. Great for you. What you're doing might be working even if you have a flawed worldview. Maybe you're even limiting yourself because you believe you're not good enough for certain women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:55 PM
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And every relationship therapist advises openness. So I'll take my chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:49 PM
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How would you react to a feminist saying the following: "Every man in the world doesn't conspire and lie. It's enough that most or even many of them do. So I'm not going to concede defeat on that issue. In particular since the research on these issues just doesn't coincide with what I can look around and see with my own two eyes to be true - patriarchy is real" And have you considered that you may be suffering from confirmation bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:47 PM
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Yes. I'm guessing he probably did. Empathy doesn't mean you actually care about the other person, it just means you're good at putting yourself in their shoes. People like Ted Bundy are extremely good at that, which makes them excellent manipulators.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:45 PM
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Trying to "be" outcome independent is a catch 22. Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:44 PM
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Yup. Hopefully they'll realize the error of this line of though soon enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:39 PM
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What do you mean they aren't? Empathy is literally the capacity to understand another person's feelings. I alone am capable of judging whether or not a person understands me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:37 PM
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Yes of course every man except you is a delusional liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:36 PM
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EDIT: and, those studies are based on what? People's self-reporting, responding to questions about what they did and why, after the fact? People stating after the fact why they did something? Nearly ALL social research about sex is basically researchers asking people about their sex practices and what they do, who they do it with and why they do it. News flash, Broski -- People lie. About everything. They lie to researchers, even anonymously. And they especially lie about sex. This is news to yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:35 PM
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Well then maybe me and pretty much everyone I know are just randomly not seeing this stuff anywhere in the world then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:27 PM
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Whats unattractive (and pussy desiccating) is buffonish bravado, fear of expressing murky emotions, and forced/false stoicism. This so much. I keep trying to tell my friend this. He typically identifies with stoicism and not showing weakness because he thinks it makes him manly. Women immediately smell his insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:26 PM
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Lol wut? Obviously not. But women have less interest in having an ONS than men. It doesn't mean it's rape if it happens, it just means it's going to take a lot more to convince them. Like say, a very good looking guy. Similarly, if I have little interest in a job, It's going to take more money for me to take it than it's going to take for someone who really wants that job. Pretty logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:24 PM
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I don't find that to be the case at all. Girls I've dated and who are my friends are generally very good at understanding how I feel/think/react etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:22 PM
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Oh, I see. Your tag had me thinking you were TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:19 PM
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Really? In what world have you proven anything? You're just saying it's your opinion so it's somehow the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:18 PM
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Yeah hot guys get approached a bit sure. But straight up offered sex hell no lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:17 PM
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It's not really true that women usually don't want ONSs. They want to have sex with those men. That's why they... have sex with those men. You're wrong. This has been proven again and again in every single study ever published on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:16 PM
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It's not surprising that one would lose attraction for someone who was clearly not the rock they'd once appeared to be. Well yes, if you go into a relationship with someone and that person turns out to be a fraud who was putting on an act, that's unattractive of course. But if you accept that you, like most men, are human with flaws and insecurities from the start, you won't have to put on an act. I mean, listen to this "idealized man". You think you have to be a zen master to attract women? Rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:13 PM
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Eh, I have female friends I open myself to as well. Don't see why that should be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:06 PM
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Men are less attracted, but still attracted enough. Women are never attracted to men below them in SMV. Men can be attracted to women below them in SMV. So yes, it is a gender specific thing. Go back and read the post again. You're still not understanding it. For all people, attraction hits a hard floor, a limit. The difference is where that floor is for men and where it is for women. For men, that floor is almost always below their own SMV. For women, that floor is almost always above their own…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:05 PM
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So you've travelled the world and eavesdropped on people? Damn, secret agent shit right there. But yeah I live in Norway and I've never seen that happen here or anywhere else in Europe. Not saying it doesn't, but come on man it's not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:02 PM
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The Sokal affair showed the sociological studies are horseshit, designed to fit a narrative. You're a coward who stands ready with no balls to defend the precious and wonderful female, because you're their willing lapdog, a bitch Right. Every sociological and psychological study is false. Only your feelings are true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:57 PM
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Don't seek support from your woman. If you shed a few tears, if you're not in a good mood for a few days, fine. Needing to talk about it, no way. Find someone else if you need support. And that's how you get the "You're shutting me out" talk... Why are you so afraid of talking about stuff? The problem in your original was that you though that she couldn't be allowed to see any hint of emotion in you. It's not that you can't have emotions, it's that you just have to handle your own shit without i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:52 PM
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They're less attracted to less attractive men. Right. Men are also less attracted to less attractive women. Not a gender specific thing dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:49 PM
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No one except a man's mother GAF about his weaknesses. Do you really believe that? That's very sad. I care about my male friends weaknesses. We have bro-talks if we feel down. It's what friends do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:48 PM
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But they go up to the guys and ask the guys out point blank or offer sex, and these aren't ugly/overweight women who are doing this. Lolwut? Where do you live dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:45 PM
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Most men's standards are lower for sex. For casual sex or ONS? Yep, definately. The chess captain is low SMV. Ugly, socially awkward, and has few friends. Most of the girls want to fuck the quarterback, not "other guys than the chess club captain who are roughly equal to themselves in attractiveness". They'll settle for those other guys if they have to, but they don't want to fuck "other guys". Of course they do. Humanity would never have survived if women didn't evolve an adaptive sense of attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:45 PM
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Funny how you call me the emasculated one, yet you're the one using stereotypical female reasoning based on your own experience and feelings in favor of reason, logic and studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:40 PM
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The quarterback has low standards then if he fucks everyone. If most of the girls want to fuck the quarterback but not the chess club captain, the chess club captain is probably ugly. Most of the girls probably also want to fuck other guys than the chess club captain who are, drum roll, roughly equal to themselves in attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:37 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:28 PM
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It is gender specific, because women are attracted only to men who are more attractive than they are. Men don't do that. Men are attracted to women above them, at their level or below them. Women are NOT attracted to men at their level or below them. Women are ONLY attracted to men who are ugly See I can make up shit too. Repeating this doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:23 PM
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No they don't. They are actively seeking his replacement. A woman is not capable of love, and immediately seeks to replace a man who in any way wanes in usefulness to her Actually women are magic fairies who poop diamonds and breathe fire See I can make up stuff with absolutely no proof as well. Just because the TRP sidebar says so doesn't make it true dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:21 PM
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Well, sometimes you're not confident. Confidence isn't something you show - it's something you have. Most people aren't confident about everything, and women really aren't expecting that. There are a lot of non-confident girls who couple up with equally non-confident guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:20 PM
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Eh, I've never met a woman who has disagreed with me on this. Except maybe one really really thrashy girl who got pregnant with a one night stand guy. Most women I know say that this is how a mature man acts, anything else is unmanly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:17 PM
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Keep your head high means not crying on her shoulder and not freaking out. Signalling a need for support is a huge no. Seeking validation by talking about how you were scared or sad is weakness too. It's not a big deal that she gets a glimpse of such feelings as long as you deal with them on your own, and if they are mentioned you handle it nonchalantly. Yeah of course freaking out and crying on a shoulder is a turn-off unless something really traumatic has happened. I think you're confusing "op…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:16 PM
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Dude, you're not making a very complex point. People understand what you're saying. The comment you replied to was a response to this sentence: It also does not mean that she is as sexually attracted to him as she was to men she used to fuck. The scenario you lay out here is not gender specific. Your idea that women are not attracted to men who aren't top notch is bizzare and goes against everything we know about evolutionary psychology. You offer no proof except for saying "look around", as if …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:07 PM
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I kind of prefer science. Your personal judgement of the world can't be trusted. But hey, I guess you believe in patriarchy then since all you have to do to see patriarchy is to "open your eyes".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:03 PM
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I think as long as you own your weaknesses and stop fearing the judgement of other people, no one really thinks of you as weak. Vulnerability is bravery basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:59 PM
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You can keep your head high, soldier on and get the job done while also being open with your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:58 PM
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Agreed. I like Mark Manson(obvious fake name though) and his life philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:56 PM
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I think that part applies to any mentally healthy person, not just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:54 PM
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In an LTR you must fake vulnerability. In a way that is not unattractive. And then give them the feeling that they have supported and helped you that they are a good partner. (Of course they didn't support or help you). But there are tons of men in relationships who don't fake vulnerability, they're open with it, and their women love them. Hell, I'm open with pretty much everything and I've had my share of women. Most common thing I've been told? They feel safe with me. I've even been called com…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:52 PM
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Where do you get that from? Where's your proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:49 PM
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So if someone writes about that on reddit, that means every woman is like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:48 PM
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OF COURSE the 5 M is attracted to the 5 F. The 5 F won't be sexually attracted to the 5M. The 5 F will consider the 5 M for a relationship if he brings "other things" to the relationship (usually provisioning). She will NEVER consider the 5 M as a sexually attractive man. the 5 F will never give up a ONS or FWB to the 5 M. Aaand you're going to need some sources to back up that claim...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:46 PM
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Well uh... If you fuck a 10/10 woman, and then later marry a 5/10, chances are you will never be as physically, sexually attracted to the woman you marry as the other woman. This isn't a gender specific thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:45 PM
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because women are sexually attracted only to men who are higher status than they are. This is ridiculous. Women are sexually attracted to good looking men. But I'll agree that women very rarely date down status wise. Most common thing is dating your equal though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:43 PM
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Yes. I smiled at him and greeted him as a friend. Then when he left I told my bros "What a fag" and I spread a rumor about him being a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:39 PM
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This is ridiculous. If Angelina Jolie did the same thing, tons of men would sign up. It's called being a goddamn celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:34 PM
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That's very suprising. Our dating culture is very liberal. It's normal and expected for people to have one night stands every now and then, it's actually a very common way of establishing a relationship (having sex after meeting, then proceeding to dating). I know this is the same in Sweden and Denmark, and from what I know in the UK as well. So I'm pretty surprised. But statistics on the average amount of lifetime sexual partners supports your story.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:18 PM
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You've seen that? And eavesdropped on the conversation enough to understand that they've been asked out? I'm impressed. You should start working as a private detective. But yeah I don't see how that proves that women have higher standards than men. The hottest guys are least likely to ask out any given woman who isn't very hot, so the incentive to ask the hottest guy out is present in an entirely different way. She can't just smile or establish eye contact with him to make him approach, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:11 PM
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That's weird. And you live in the US? I'm norwegian, I was never told any of that stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 05:37 PM
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Really? I'm surprised. Like, they never even considered just hooking up?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 05:16 PM
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For sex yeah. But this is also something I feel is very individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 05:08 PM
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This is the obvious answer. A guy in the same situation would do exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 04:52 PM
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Some women do ask out guys. Especially women who aren't very attractive. But your analogy with headhunting answers the question: If you want to get a job, you're probably not just waiting for headhunters from your dream company to reach out to you. If headhunters call you frequently, you wouldn't need to apply. Women don't ask out men very often simply because men do it more. Men do it more partially because of cultural expectations, partially because we're less risk averse and handle rejection …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 04:51 PM
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For sex absolutely. Good sex isn't a guarantee for most women, the more experience they have, the more aware they are of this. Which is incidentally why most women stop having casual sex with random partners after a relatively short amount of time - it doesn't do much for them. When it comes to looks etc I think it's actually the other way around. Good looks get old fast if it doesn't go hand in hand with good sex. Also "well endowed" is kind of relative. You penis has to be a good fit for her v…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 04:33 PM
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What if jews control the world? Are nazis jusified in being angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 04:21 PM
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No it doesn't. TRP sidebar definition: Hypergamy – The instinctual urge for women to seek out the best alpha available. This is marked by maximizing rejection (therefore women are the selective gender). A woman will vet her alpha through various shit tests to ensure his "health" on the alpha scale. She is conditioned to recognize a declining alpha, as hypergamy also tends to continue seeking out higher status males even while with an alpha male. Shit tests allow her to prepare herself for eventu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 03:33 PM
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Doesn't matter if it's a hyperbole. There's no truth to it even if you downplay it. And there are lots of Trpers (Bengunn, Xemnas, artiex just to name a few off of the top of my head) who clearly do not think of these things as hyperboles. It's just like radfems: "#killallmen! I bathe in male tears! Men should apologize for existing! Lol it's hyperbole I don't really think like that". It's just an excuse that comes up when confronted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 03:27 PM
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Tips fedora
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 03:03 PM
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Are you playing stupid? It's the woman that is hurt from being pumped and dumped, not the man. That was the entire point of my analogy, you wouldn't like a friend who acted the same way with friendship. That's why it makes you sad. I've dicussed that correlation and the study it's from in lengths before, and why it's faulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 03:02 PM
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So you're telling me if I look at the TRP sidebar, I won't find this stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:11 PM
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Sometimes. I mostly just socialize in general. Hit on girls I meet that I like.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:08 PM
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No, I'm saying most women are average.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:07 PM
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Well if you find that desireable that's pretty sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 11:41 PM
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I am attacking the concept of hypergamy. I have never said that attractive guys aren't attractive. Go light your strawman somewhere else. And just so I've said it: I'm attacking the TRP concept of hypergamy where women only want the best men, aren't happy with anyone else, and will "Branch jump" the moment they have the opportunity. Also I am attacking the claim (from a lot of TRPers) that women outright refuse to hook up with or be in a relationship with someone of their own league, and except …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 11:03 PM
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Read the post again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 10:58 PM
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Uhm yes, there is a very big difference between being someone's drunken mistake who they don't want to be seen with, and having hooked up with someone who finds you attractive. Imagine if a friend did that to you - only called you when he needed something, didn't want anyone to know you was his friend. Wouldn't feel to good would it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 09:27 PM
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...what would I want to rationalize
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 09:05 PM
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If I wanted to rationalize I'd believe in TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 08:54 PM
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Casual sex doesn't ruin people. Being someone's closing time drunken mistake does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 08:48 PM
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Point was that hypergamy is as legit to a biologist as voodoo medicine is to a doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 08:45 PM
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Which ruins them. If you think women like being someone's mistake who they don't want to be seen with you're wrong. They know they're just a hole. They don't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 08:41 PM
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Girls don't approach me for sex dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 08:40 PM
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I'm a guy. I have real-life experience, I don't read forums to make judgements about everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:26 PM
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I've explained why you're deluded a billion times already. I'm done repeating myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:20 PM
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Why would an actual evolutionary biology ignore hypergamy? The same reason a doctor ignores voodoo medicine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:06 PM
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I haven't been asked yet on a date or offered sex, and I suspect it would've happened had I been a tall guy. So you see, shit's hard. I just get stared at by attractive girls. I know I'm no Brad Pitt, but I get checked-out from head to toe. So why aren't they approaching me and offering sex? Because I'm not chad. You're seriously expecting women to offer you sex out of the blue? You're angry because that doesn't happen? You're either really, really messed up or a genious troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:05 PM
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It's not normal that all women are unattractive like that. If you're actually telling the truth, you live somewhere with an abnormal presence of ugly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:03 PM
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Most women are either overweight or masculine-looking. Where the hell do you live? Move somewhere else. This is not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:51 PM
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The same reason I don't need to put my hand on the hot stove to know that it burns? I observe people a lot. I see thousands of people everyday. I notice every sort of people. And the men I see with women are always tall, good-looking guys. Or tall, average-looking guys. Or ugly, tall/average height men. I notice the girl and I calculate her SMV compared to the guy, and when I take a good-look at the guy I don't notice much difference between the guy and me, except he's taller than me obviously ,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:50 PM
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Yes, I understand. Average means ugly. Overweight. Plain-looking. Boring. Manly facial features. Flabby bodies. Etc. Yup, damaged by porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:46 PM
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No, I don't feel like wanting taller women is aiming for out of my league because I just look at them, and I do it covertly. I don't approach women, bro. I don't see the point. So how do you know women are hypergamous if you don't hit on them? You sound like you just sit around making excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:34 PM
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You don't understand what average means huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:31 PM
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You used it as an example of how women didn't care about height. So since you say they're outliers, you admit wanting taller women than you is aiming out of your league then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:30 PM
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I'm undererestimating how pretty most girls actually are? What do you mean? I can tell the difference between a pretty girl and an average girl. I actually sit in a vantage point at campus and I observe the women and the men who walk by(most of them have to walk through this place to get to class) and for crying out loud. Most human beings are ugly. Or have shit bodies. I mean you're watching so much porn you think porn-star looking women are normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:27 PM
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Right. So when it confirms your view it's proof, but when it goes againt it, it's the exception. This isn't logical thinking dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:25 PM
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I've seen guys who were short and average-looking and chubby with tall, attractive women. Soooo... Women are not all hypergamous then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:17 PM
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So uh... Good looking men get laid. No shit. You want a woman taller than you? Because that's uh, out of your league if you're short... sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:58 PM
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I had one girl i was really into but when i realized she wanted me to be her beta bux i lost all the attraction i felt for her. And how exactly did you realize this? and they are either dating or hooking-up with men above them Or maybe you're just underestimating how pretty most girls actually are? Because y'know that's a common effect of watching too much porn...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:52 PM
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Again, not my experience. But I'm talking about the kind of typical popular "jock" guy who was popular in high school. I don't know what your definition of an "Alpha" is. You say the women who are your "Ideal type" are already taken. How do you define your "Ideal type"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:46 PM
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Perceived status? There is no such thing as status. Girls aren't Fucking guys because they have "future doctor" or because the guy atends class, has good grades and a guaranteed job when he graduates. Women aged 18-25 think with their clitoris, that is why i see guys who are rude, dumb and downright nasty get all of the casual sex and the relationships if they so wish to have them. Weird, that's not my experience. Guys like that only got the trashy, low-class chicks. The. You gotta work like a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:03 PM
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You can probably shoot a bit outside your league looks wise if you look for a non college-educated woman. I'm assuming you mean no sex by "Dead bedroom", why do you automatically assume this will be the case? And FYI I'm not suggesting to get a degree for the sole purpose of getting laid. If you do that you're a huge idiot. I said that within the college population, like everywhere else, looks matching applies. Maybe because of the higher amount of women you can shoot a bit outside of your leagu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:41 PM
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I usually didn't see them at parties either. Well, that's not true, they were at bars and clubs etc but they weren't really part of the scene. Not going to class/ignoring school etc really lowers your perceived status.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 02:53 PM
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How the hell did you reach that conclusion? I never said that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 02:00 PM
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Sorry, I misread your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 11:42 AM
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Right. But unless they just want to be pumped and dumped by maybe an average man on a good day, they'll have to settle for the 3 themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:44 AM
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Casual is more accepted and normal than before maybe, but everything? Hardly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:31 AM
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I forgot this only applies to beta males. In TRP terms "Lifelong connection" means until she hits the wall at 35. If you're an apex alpha you can easily land a 20 year old at 90. If you get kids with any women they're taken to manosphere bootcamps.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:15 AM
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I assume you're talking in terms of getting a woman. In which case I would say that your hotness decides how hot a woman you can get will be. Most people are average and can get average partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 12:59 AM
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Most women don't want to date down so it basically means more women for those of us with degrees I guess. I certainly started having way more success with women when I started higher education. Most of the typical type of guys who would steal all the attention from women in high school simply disappeared.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 12:08 AM
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So everyone who is single, mark my words: have female friends for social proof and stuff, but don't be close friends with them until you find a relationship. .... why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 11:48 PM
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I usually always have one or two close female friends. Sex has happened with at least one, didn't end very well, but we're back as friends again after a one year pause from being friends. It's a good idea I think. Contrary to what TRP claims, women do give good advice about other women if they trust your ability to take criticism. I have no idea what you mean by being taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 11:46 PM
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You seriously think most people "want to spread their genes in the most efficient manner available to them"? If you do, you really don't understand Evo psych.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:06 PM
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I'd argue most people value a deep connection with a long-time partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 06:18 PM
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Women only really needed men for resources. They're now financially independent. In terms of validation, shoulder to cry on etc., they can get all that without putting out from beta orbiters. You realize actually having a long term partner who you develop a connection and a life with over time is a value in itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 05:41 PM
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A womab can easily walk away from.marriage and have multiple options For casual sex the average woman has more options than the average man yes. Other than that there's no gender difference. A wiman can easily fuck a man kver with the Duluth Model crying false DV/abuse/rape What? A woman has full control of thr birth Yup. Don't see how this changes anything. Women make over 80% of purchasing decisions in relationships Source? A woman can end a man's career with clsim of sexual harassment This is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 05:35 PM
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Why do men need women more?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 05:18 PM
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Desirable people have dating power. It's not in the hands of any one gender. Women have power when it comes to casual sex, but that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:17 PM
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They have easy access to sex yes, but their interest in casual sex is not like ours. I don't think they control the dating market, they're just the more passive ones. This gives the illusion of power since they're the ones doing the initial selection/rejection. When it comes down to it, power is held by whoever in the relationship possesses the largest amount of attractive qualities. I remember power being defined by someone as the following: A's power over B is determined by the extent to which…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 01:02 PM
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No, I am not. The point of confirmation bias still stands. Google it if you're not aware what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 09:47 PM
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And I'm saying, the true "spirit of redpill advice" is that you should be setting up your life in such a way that you don't have weakness and vulnerabilities. I agree you should work on them. But you will always have weaknesses and vulnerabilities. That's part of being human. But again, I agree with the ideal. It's not about being more manly and strong, it's that women literally can't tell the difference between a guy that has no weaknesses and a guy that just hides them really well. Telling a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 07:17 PM
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SMP : Exists SMV: Exists AF/BB: Pure nonsense and a complete misunderstanding of female sexuality CC: Delusional, and proof of lack of understanding of women Hypergamy: Ridiculous. Matching theory explains pair bonding, not hypergamy. The wall: Somewhat legit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 05:07 PM
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Comment still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 01:54 PM
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Well of course women don't want a weak man. But there's a huge difference between being weak in general, and having weaknesses and vulnerabilities, which everyone has. This debate is about being open vs not being open out of fear of being rejected. A lot of RPers have claimed the latter is more manly and strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 01:54 PM
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Guys do talk to other guys. So you haven't actually observed this happening. Because of course you haven't, this would take you having an observational role in a relationship for ages. Not always, in a few of the cases it's happened it public, guy showed weakness and you could pretty much see the disgust/turn off on the girls face. This obviously can't be explained by confirmation bias at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 09:20 AM
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If you're a high value man you don't need to share your feelings with women, she'll want you regardless. If you're doing things to "win her over" such as sharing your emotions and vulnerability with her, you aren't a high value man. Will she want you regardless? Probably. Will your relationship last/be healthy if you don't share your feelings? Doubtful. High value men don't have vulnerability. That's just delusional. If you're vulnerable, you are triggering the instinctual nature of women to loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 09:16 AM
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I'm not moving the goalposts. You're trying to discuss an interpretation of these terms that isn't very normal. And I see you still don't want to discuss what people are actually against.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 09:12 AM
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I've seen it kill more than a few relationships ...How have you seen this? Are you a couples therapist? Because this is pretty intimate stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 09:08 AM
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Commonly it can be seen in the media and from advice from women that ''just be nice and you'll find someone'' I personally don't believe in it but many do and with the narrative put out why wouldn't other guys? This is a message that some men seem to have gotten from the media. And this message isn't logical - it doesn't make sense that women should only care about whether or not someone is nice. Thus it does not, as you claimed, work in theory. You cannot compare this to the point I am making a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 04:00 AM
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I think most people will agree that sexual content, gore, and death are generally given discretionary warnings. It shows up on television and film all the time. Why should it be so outrageous to suggest implementing it in the classroom? As I said: The idea of warning in advance of Gore/sexual content/death is nothing new. No one is saying this is outrageous. You can ignore that article if you want - here's an example of what people are against. I'm not just talking about being warned here - I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 03:52 AM
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It's just a song about a woman playing hard to get. Whoever calls this song a date rape song it not right in the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 12:45 AM
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I'm talking about literally removing things from curriculum because someone find it offensive. What you're mentioning there has been normal practice for years considering those subjects. The type of TW that people are against is the one discussed in this article. If you don't want to read it, here's a quote that emphasizes my point: Trigger warnings, and their cousin the "content note", are now included for a whole slew of potentially offensive or upsetting content, including but not limited to:…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 12:35 AM
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Only if you're otherwise high value, and could therefore get away with not being kind and gentle and still be swarmed with female attention. Normal/beta guys who are kind/gentle are seen as weak sexual non-entities. What did I write in the rest of my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 12:30 AM
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I was using an expression not referring to an actual theory. Ok, explain your reasoning for why it would work in theory. Quite the catch 22. How is that a catch 22?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 12:06 AM
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I am not attempting to minimize emotional triggers or PTSD symptoms, but we all have the power to rewrite our conditioned responses. It's only within their own power. The world can't do it for them. Yup. I think the message you send - and I believe PTSD sufferers have written about this before - when you talk about "Trigger Warnings", is basically that the person who is suffering is weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:59 PM
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But at the same time, in public spaces it can be important to make sure that people are sensitive about the subject matter so they're not going to be saying things like "I think that depressed people should all be institutionalized" when they haven't experienced it or are conscious of the magnitude of what they're saying. You mean like censorship? Or what are you really suggesting here?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:58 PM
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I don't think we should dictate other people's recovery paths. People should get to decide when they get exposure therapy and when they just wanna chill out and not worry about it. Where does the line go for this though? Do you think "triggers" should be removed from academic curricula?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:56 PM
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Male weakness is turn off to women. I've seen more than a few cases personally where on one hand the woman wanted her man to open up thinking it would be good but on the other hand just found it abhorrent as it revealed her strong rock to be insecure/weak. I agree weakness is a turn-off to women. But I think refusing to open up is a far bigger sign of weakness than actually opening up. If you refuse to do it because afraid of being judged, you're not exactly being brave, are you. In theory thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:41 PM
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Theory and practice are too different things, in theory being a kind/gentle friend to women should increase her estimation of you...in practice though... I've yet to see anyone come up with any solid argument for why it would not be a sign of strength/integrity. And FYI I actually think that with most women, being kind/gentle does increase their estimation of you. However, the "Nice guy" thinks that it's the only thing that's needed. Most "Nice guys" don't really understand the women they're wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 09:33 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 09:26 PM
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And your point is.....
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 09:22 PM
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I think I'd go crazy If I had to orally please my partner without getting anything back two days in a row though lol. 69 is the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 02:29 PM
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Uh you kind of framed it differently in your original post. You said his oral skills would make her afraid of losing him...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 01:46 PM
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This would be a nice place to put the fry gif with the text "not sure if joking or just TRP"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:49 AM
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The difference is black people are victims of violence from police at a disproportionate rate to other races. It's the opposite with gender: Men are more often killed or injured than women are. Which makes it really, really absurd. Like having all black people stand up and pledge not to hurt white people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:45 AM
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I don't get it. So basically you don't have sex with guys then? Because "Escalating quickly towards sex".... That's kind of how sex starts
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:41 AM
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Talking about problems doesn't solve the problems. But usually it can help you handle the emotional consequences of problems, which can make it easier for you to come up with an actual solution for problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:39 AM
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Well, if you're a coward, it takes more courage to admit that you're actually scared than to hide that fact, and instead make of some excuse to avoid whatever you're afraid of, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:38 AM
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Tinfoil hat? Dude, I was in the pua community for two years. This isn't a conspiracy theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 01:02 AM
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PUA gurus -- while cultish -- are no more cultish than, say, playing football. Any football coach would want to influence all aspects of your behavior, too. If you believe that then you have not been part of the PUA community. It is inherently cultish. You can compare it to, say, crossfit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 12:59 AM
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Superfan is an extreme way of watching football. This complete paradigm of behavioral assumptions is literally what every PUA guru wants you to enter. But there's probably an explanation for our different views - PUA has toned down significantly since like 5-6 years ago, when I was active there. There are still cultish elements. Just look at RSD for the best example.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 12:29 AM
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And "special" language seems a bit disingenuous, don't we all use particular words to describe more detailed situations/actions? No, PUA has a set vocabulary that is specifically used within and based upon the premises of the PUA community. "Chode", "Neg", "AFC", "Set", none of these words makes sense unless you know the PUA theory. They encourage their readers to view themselves as better than "AFCs" or normal people because of "special" knowledge. This is pretty much the essence of PUA - the "…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 12:13 AM
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That's a ridiculous comparison. PUA is a complete paradigm of behavioral assumptions and a lifestyle. Watching football doesn't require anything else than looking at a TV. PUA wants you to change your behavior in accordance with a worldview that is promoted as a "cheat code" that will put you above the "AFCs"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 12:09 AM
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Promiscuous doesn't mean lots of sex experience automatically though, you can be more experienced from a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 11:30 PM
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You misunderstood. I used that as an example of how PUA makes you think about people who are not into PUA, and how that is like a cult. Of course there's no IRL punishment made from message boards. I don't know how it is offline though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 09:58 PM
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Opening up and sharing things is important, but it is an attraction killer in women. What makes you think this? Opening up and sharing things is sign of confidence and strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 09:04 PM
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Trying to push thoughts out of my head? --> I am weak No, this is being human. It's natural to be depressed every once in a while when things like this happen. Thinking you're weak if you can't control yourself in a completely impossible way is mentally unhealthy. Opening up: she faces two problems. I might lose my job and she has to support me emotionally. Not opening up: she faces one problem. I might lose my job. The way the scenario will most likely develop is: Opening up: She undertands why…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 08:59 PM
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What are you talking about? I was talking about how being in the PUA environment is a lot like being in a cult. I don't really see what you're saying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 08:49 PM
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In a powerful way, lol. Point is - not being open with your feelings is not what a strong person does, it's cowardly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 08:47 PM
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Ok. Lets say you're in a relationship with a woman. You've had some really tough days at work as over half of you coworkers have been let go. You keep feeling as if though you're next, and you know it's extremely hard to find a new job within your field, which is shrinking due to technological changes in society. You go to see your girlfriend one night, and you try to push the thoughts out of your head. It doesn't work. Everytime she talks about something related to work you're reminded that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 05:59 PM
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Is someone who is completely afraid to show vulnerability really strong? Exactly. Everyone have got insecurities and bad days. True strength involves admitting this - letting your guard down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 05:49 PM
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All right. Do you promise to answer my question if I answer yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 05:29 PM
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If you compare it to the extreme variants then yes. But PUA is much like a cult in the way it encourages you to use special language and dissociate yourself from the rest of the world. Anyone "inside" the PUA world are discussed as sort of enlightened, while anyone "outside" are talked about as "AFCs", "Chodes", or more recently: "Betas" and "Bluepillers".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 05:17 PM
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The reason for opening up is obvious: You show your true, authentic self and can genuinely connect with others. It's about being honest. Being real. Not putting on an act. You didn't answer the question. Why hide anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 05:13 PM
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Ask for head? Never. Change position? I can't remember that every happening. Are on top? Yeah sure, but that's after I've changed position. The most dominant thing maybe is during foreplay if they give me head, grab my hand and put or places or take off clothes (theirs or mine) without me initiating it. I think maybe one or two times I can remember a woman completely taking charge from the start, telling me to lie down etc. But other than that I usually have to be "in charge". But silent? Hell n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:23 PM
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Absolutely. Most women aren't though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:11 PM
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They also don't need others for support. So the point is moot. Of you are strong you don't have to open up in the first place. Why wouldn't you open up if you're a strong person? Not opening up basically means you're afraid of being judged on what comes out it you open up. Or is there any other reason not to open up?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:10 PM
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Yep. PUA is much like a cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:03 PM
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Be yourself literally means don't put up an act, don't try to say specific things in order to impress someone. It's pretty solid advice actually. Absolutely every piece of advice that can be given about anything comes with conjunction. That's life. If you're looking for advice that by itself accomplishes amazing things, it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:55 PM
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Nah, I'd greatly enjoy that. I like women with some drive in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:52 PM
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Opening up is an attraction killer, so we strongly recommend not to do it. Opening up means you connect more strongly. Being afraid of opening up is weak and unmanly. Strength and courage comes from being vulnerable, not from hiding away. And IMO if you're afraid of looking weak, that's because you on some level are weak. Mentally strong people don't go around worrying about whether or not people think they're weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:42 PM
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Just because it works in conjunction with other things doesn't make it worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:50 PM
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I'd go for the 6 in a heartbeat. I've been down this road - beatiful girl, 9 or 10 according to others, we got along great in many ways and the sex was amazing - but there wasn't chemistry. It's horrible when you're meeting the woman you're dating and you have to prepare for what you're supposed to talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:12 PM
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It's not really up for interpretation. What's happening in your example is that someone finds dominant behavior annoying. Dominance according to dictionary.com is: (in) Psychology: the disposition of an individual to assert control in dealing with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:10 PM
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It's really not. Being dominant in bed means you're the one initiating everything - taking off all the clothes, throwing her on the bed, deciding the position, telling her to give you a BJ etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 11:26 AM
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I don't think it's an evil thing. I suspect it's a bunch of nonsense that makes men in their early twenties act like clowns for years instead of actually growing up and changing for the better. I'm criticizing it because this happened to me with PUA in my early twenties, and I got out thanks to someone who opened my eyes online.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 11:22 AM
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I'm awesome at sex. Women literally get addicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 11:21 AM
1

I think the limit is at 9.872 if you are a 7 with game. You have to be a 7.823 to get a 10 with game.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:57 PM
1

Kind of hard to give generic advice when I don't really know anything about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:31 AM
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It was like that with PUA field reports, why should it be different. Field report: Blah blah blah went to a club, talked to a girl. Immediately she starts shit testing and was super shallow and dumb. I kept my frame so she stuck around until a chad showed up. Lessons learned: AWALT, hypergamy, kept my frame which was good. Actual occurence: Guy talks to girl who isn't interested. She tries to make him leave. Sees her friend and runs over to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:40 AM
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Wouldn't call myself a BP but yes. Had an FWB who was very feminist. Great sex. Never got any advances rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:27 AM
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It's like PUA. Will be dead in 5 years as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:20 AM
2

My grandfather has a friend who's an ex spec-ops guy as well. Fought in WW2. He's 102 years old and has a 19 year old girlfriend. Yells at kids to stay off his lawn to occupy himself between fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:12 AM
1

This is extremely legit. I use this formula every day and I'm spinning more plates than this guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 01:00 AM
1

Highlight reel with folders? Sorry, I'm not quite following your metaphors here lol - maybe I'm just being really thick here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 11:50 AM
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I don't think you got my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 11:54 PM
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Sorry, misread you. But it's a bad analogy. In order to make the comparison you're making you'd need to have had 30 LTRs. Unless you're suggesting having had many partners means it's hard to stick out as the best sex partner, which I would agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 10:44 AM
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Women get free rides more than men because men want to have sex with women and are desperate to please them. That's a no-brainer. This is not the same as women getting pretty much anything they want and thus wanting only the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:51 AM
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I've gotten jobs with hundreds of applicants. You know how many of these applicants were qualified to actually apply? Maybe 10%. Same with the amount of sexual partners. I've had around 30 myself, and I actually know what I want now. Sex is one thing - personality is totally different.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:49 AM
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Thread full of them right here. Your turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:45 AM
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Burden of proof is still on you. Sweden is crazy. Every paper in Norway makes fun of the PC culture in Sweden. I don't think you know my country or how our relationship with the swedish culure is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:43 AM
1

Source for those statistics please?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:42 AM
1

One person in a pool of 30 can be very important. Let's say you're hiring someone for a job, and you interview 30 people - is the person you hire less important because you interviewed 29 others?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:40 AM
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Murder is a very defined action. Being a feminist is not. Ridiculous example.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:38 AM
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If I do that then I guess you can show me at least one example of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:35 PM
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In this thread I challenged some of the assumptions made by TRPers taken straight from the sidebar. You're welcome to go there and present the "Real picture". Every time I criticized TRP principles and presented my own idea of what was actually useful tips, people told me that I didn't really understand TRP, and was actually talking in RP principles. When I confronted them with direct quotes from the sidebar, no one answered. So basically when confronted with the real picture, people claim that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:35 PM
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No true scotsman huh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:24 PM
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This is BS. I've discussed with RPers who come up with definitions that completely counteract the sidebar. And when I confront them with direct quotes, you know what the reply is? Silence. Every single time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:04 PM
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I don't see how this is relevant to what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:59 PM
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Burden of proof is on you. And no, Norway is not a feminist hellhole. Outside of a few loud columnists, feminism really has no place in our society. Third-wave feminism hasn't happened. We have paid maternal leave, both men and women are drafted for military service, stay-at-home parents are basically non-existant... There's not much more to achieve equality-wise. Feminism has no raison d'etere, or whatever you call it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:58 PM
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I think I said in another post that there are things that you can do to fuck up chemistry (like trying to act like an alpha male for instance), but there's nothing you can really do to create it in any genuine way. If you're a manipulative psychopath who just says what people want to hear, sure, but that's not you. Chemistry between who you truly are and the other person can't controlled, it's just either there or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:56 PM
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It makes you happy if you do it because you want to, not because you have low self-esteem, feel preassured to etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:11 PM
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Yeah. Not sure what you're trying to say here to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:55 PM
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I don't think it's a good thing. It doesn't help people stop. Information and regulation helps people stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:52 PM
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Or comparable to "I just don't want her to have had more partners than me" perhaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:17 PM
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Definately agree you should be willing to compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 12:09 PM
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I'm not saying you should compromise in any of these, what I'm saying is maybe you're using the wrong indicators (like - what does a woman like that work as, etc) to identify these women? Or maybe the indicators you're using are bringing you women who have these things, but who have different personality traits than you and thus no chemistry can happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:52 AM
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You're right, I'm not living in America. I live in Norway. I've lived in the US before and I agree you're kind of a PC bunch. But still, try the experiment out then if you're so sure it's like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:31 AM
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Sure. I think a decent sense of humor (or at least, my type of humor) is important. Intelligence is important of course, and some kind of ambitions/life goals. An interest in politics/society is a plus. Anyone who dates me needs to like my constant messing around with them - insecure women won't work very well. I like women who like to do things other than just sitting around watching series all day. And she should challenge me in some way so I can grow as a person. Usually I don't date women if…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:27 AM
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First date will be fun and exciting if you have chemistry. Intelligence is a legitimate requirement. But when it comes to dating in my experience you don't really know what you want until you've experienced it. You may be intruiged by the idea of a certain type of women, but actually have a lot more fun with another type. Not all intelligent women are doctors or something like that, many work in NGOs, as teachers etc. It may sound counterintuitive, but if you can get dates fairly easily, try out…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:10 AM
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Maybe you should confront women then since they are the ones who do the majority of slut shaming. Oh, I do. I do this all the time. Compare that with a guy who says he wants a virgin or a low N count woman. See who gets the angrier/less sympathetic replies. I'm guessing the woman wanting a wealthy man will get more angry replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:04 AM
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Shaming is a valuable behavior regulation technique. It's something that women engage in naturally. This attitude is what TRPers are confronted for. No one is telling you that your preferences are wrong. I don't think that many people would say she's shallow unless that's literally all she wants. Really? I challenge you to test this out. Find a sub with relationship advice, make an alt and post a thread where you claim to be a woman and you want a man who, amongst other things, is rich. People w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:57 AM
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So maybe I need to be more forthright, more dominant, take more risks, be more unconventional, take her somewhere out of the ordinary, etc. Sitting there being myself is not working. If that's who you are or want to be then sure. If that's how you feel like you should be according to someone else's standards, you'll just appear weird. Maybe you're just dating the wrong women? I mean, people can tell you that you need to brush up on this or that or yadda yadda but really, for most people this stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:50 AM
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RPers are constantly derided and accused of being insecure etc. for having an aversion to providing for promiscuous women. More like having a hatred for promiscuous women. Dating preferences are fine. Shaming is not. Many TRPers claim slut shaming is a good thing. Well see there's the thing. Black people are more untouchable. Race card > gender card in the oppression olympics. White men can't say that shit though. Only Bill Burr. He's one comedian. It's not something that's brought up a lot. Oh …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:46 AM
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Women are untouchable now in the mainstream. Yeah. It's not like people are making songs like...."Well I ain't saying she's a golddigger....." Fun thing is that those who call out women for wanting money the most are feminists. why do people have to rationalize attraction? why is it necessary? Do they? Who?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:31 AM
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It was a joke question. You think about this stuff way too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:28 AM
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I don't think you can do anything to "create" chemistry. It's either there or it's not. But there are things you can do to prevent it from surfacing though, and there are things your date might be doing. If you're putting on an act so to speak (like, trying to make an impression as if you're on a job interview), you won't express yourself genuinely, and you won't be able to connect in the way that will trigger the feeling of chemistry. Don't try to hide your flaws and don't try to appear as anyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:24 AM
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C'mon, women get called out for wanting to date rich men all the time. It's not hypocritical to want a man who's stronger and taller. Most men are stronger and taller than most women. It's like saying you're a hypocrite for wanting a woman with a lighter voice than yourself, or with a more feminine body shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:21 AM
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Women never have to rationalize their desires, so why do men? Women don't get called out for being a hypocrite when they desire something in a partner that they themselves don't have or don't adhere to. Could you show me an example of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:14 AM
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You deduce it from her overall behavior and from what you know about her past. Like a sex detective huh? Is there some TRP formula for estimating this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:13 AM
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... Then there should be stories from LTRs. And yes, the internet is a great place to find whatever you're looking for. Ever heard of confirmation bias? Even if you find people sharing 1000 stories online, it doesn't mean you can generalize it. At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:11 AM
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I think we agree on the essential aspects of the good and bad in PUA.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:08 AM
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It's not about butterflies - I don't think anyone expects that, those come later. When you talk about a "Spark" it's about chemistry. Your conversation should come natural(no need to think about what subjects to discuss etc), time should fly by, you should make each other laugh a lot, and if you look into her eyes for an extented period of time you might feel a slight bit of butterflies. The answer is d) - there was no chemistry. You're good enough as you are, she already clarified that by conta…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:08 AM
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Trying instead of not trying - yup, totally agree to that. Being a bit cocky and funny? Yup, if you can manage it, most attractive women see it as flirting and signs you're not a doormat. Escalating physically, learning to recognize what they call IOIs? You bet. Approaching at a 45' angle, backwards merging your sets and microcalibrating the target and the group? Yeah that's when you go to looneytown.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:59 AM
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PUA is a huge and diverse field of horseshit. Care to elaborate on what rough ideas you've stumbled across? Most people tend to snatch up the tiny golden nuggets. Me? I fell into the rabbit hole. Read so many books of absolute nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:37 AM
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A very realistic example would be something like a date with a genuinely nice, good looking, and funny girl will most likely be romantically ruined for TRP men once they discover that she had sex with 30 people in college, or something along those lines. I can understand this to a certain extent if they're very sexually inexperienced/sex means a lot to them. You have to rack up some experience yourself in order to understand why it's not such a big deal. TBH I think most males would have some so…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:34 AM
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Yes. Yes they are. You just haven't upset her or experienced the crazy factor yet. Don't worry, it accrues just like interest, they will foreclose on you soon enough. Really? Because in the post below this one you said You mean like on a date where that feminist threatened the guy to lock him up before they even went out? No thanks, I like my penis still attached to my body thanks. So you're not talking about experience here, you've just read about it on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:21 AM
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I was FWB with a radfem for a while actually. She knew I thought it was weird so she played it down a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:18 AM
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So uh. If most TRPs are not in LTRs, how the hell do they know that women will act in a certain way in LTRs?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:15 AM
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Why would she even go on a date if she thought she could do better? Isn't it easier to just listen to what she tells you was the reason she didn't want another date? You said yourself the date was ok, nothing special. Why would you want to continue on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:14 AM
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Well, I guess some ideas are valid. The central premise, as you say, it just awful. And the ideas in PUA that are valid are buried in a sea of shit. I mean, try actually doing mystery method. People will think you're a freak.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:12 AM
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My thoughts exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:10 AM
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Here you go Your chart is chart 15 I believe? Seems you edited your post. And I quote: This chart covers sexually active women over the age of 30. Women were defined as having a stable marriage if they were currently married and had been in that same marriage for at least five years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:10 AM
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If that is the case then there should be tons of field reports from every guy who's ever been in a relationship. If y'know AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 11:19 PM
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How many men does a woman have to fuck to be deemed a slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 10:53 PM
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Why would she contact you and go on a date if she thought she could do better? She saw you on an online dating site, right? There's nothing wrong with you, or with "the female attitude". There just wasn't any chemistry. TRP/PUA tells you that you can control this stuff. You can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 09:23 PM
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Abundance mentality is a delusion. In my PUA days it kept me from entering relationships with women who would have been oh so good for me just because I thought I had abundance. Guess what. I don't, you don't. The only people who have abundance are ridiculously attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 08:56 PM
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Dude, there probably just was no spark for her. Unless you're lying with your pictures, she's already evaluated you as good enough. That's how dating is like. Take it like a man, not like a little bitch. I mean, why would you even want that, if she wants babies - to be "Good enough"? Shouldn't there be chemistry?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 08:52 PM
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If you're not alpha with a dog, they become the alpha. Don't underestimate them, they can be very ruff.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:27 PM
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So you're saying the most popular field reports don't actually support AWALT ? :P
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:26 PM
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My dog is hypergamous. It left me for an owner with a higher SMV and demanded half of the doghouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 01:29 PM
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Good theory, I agree with lots of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 12:58 PM
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Seems like it. They missed the memo that "Be yourself" means "Don't put on an act, be genuine", instead of "Do what you always do".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 11:27 AM
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His problem probably isn't that he apologizes, but that he has a lack of an understanding of what situations merit an apology. A grown man owns up to his mistakes and apologizes if he does something that merits an apology. A child or a narcissist refuses to apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 11:26 AM
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In the ideal relationship, the only power a woman has is to leave or stay. Her words, her sex, her behaviors -- all of that doesn't affect the man. She conforms to what he wants or he walks, because he has other options. Power fantasy alert. Are you surprised, for some reason, that we would badmouth women on the internet? Nah, I'm just curious why. My current hypothesis is that you're jelly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:37 AM
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Can you point to where I said that? Where you said that? No. I didn't talk about you specifically. "It doesn't matter how fat/ugly you are if you have a good personality" vs "It doesn't matter how shitty of a personality you have if you're hot" And here I was thinking the TRP slogan was "All that matters is being alpha"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:35 AM
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Yeah, I'm not sure where all these ideas about being rewarded with a relationship/sex for "Being a nice guy" even came from. It's not like society teaches you this. Society teaches you to value looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:34 AM
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I've seen that study posted before. What you're actually seeing there is the likelyhood that women between 30-44 have been married for 5 years or more based on previous partners had. So if you marry at 20 and you've never had any other partners, you don't go to college, your man is the primary breadwinner, you're on that list. If you're a 33 year old woman who goes to college and gets married at 30, you're not on that list. If you're 36 and get married at 33, you're not on that list. So this sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:31 AM
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No. I've had tons of people here tell me "That's what TRP is really about brah" when I talk about my own philosophy. But you only have to look at stuff in the sidebar to see that this is not the case. Strategic game may be a "thing", it doesn't mean it serves any other purpose than mental masturbation. Just listen to this shit: VIII. Say you’re sorry only when absolutely necessary Do not say you’re sorry for every wrong thing you do. It is a posture of submission that no man should reflexively a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:26 AM
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Exactly what part of evo psych are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:15 AM
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Is she the hottest girl you've ever been with though? Or however you may define SMV. I mean surely this goes both ways, if you've been with a hotter girl, you shouldn't feel content either, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:13 AM
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Just out of curiousity - you don't have to answer if you don't want to - how many partners have you had?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:12 AM
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Yup, I suspect this is the case for some.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:12 AM
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Sexual history is a big deal not because it's "right" or "wrong", but because of what it says about a person's approach toward love, sex, and relationships. A sexually conservative man would not be compatible with a slut. If a slut tricks a sexually conservative man into wasting his time and resources, that's the big hated issue. Not the slutting itself. Agree that's a bad move. But some TRPers talk about slutty women as if they're evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 09:08 PM
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This is exactly the problem I have with individualists. They can't think beyond the scope their own immediate satisfaction. They think if it feels good and they aren't directly harming anyone that it can't be bad for society as a whole. Wrong. Women become damaged from lots of casual sexual encounters and unable to pair bond. Eh, there's no proof of that. Newest studies on casual sex show that as long as you do it because you want to, there's no harm. It actually boosts self-esteem and happiness…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 09:07 PM
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I see. So a high SES woman who has access to high value men, and has had sex with 1000 men is not a slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:49 PM
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Yeah. Sex education on a societal level. Enforced by shaming. Why the shaming? If they use protection and don't have sex if they don't want to, there's no real harm in casual sex. We are a sexually dimorphic species. Men and women in general have different strengths. I think it makes sense to for the most part play to those different strengths. Yes there are group differences. But since they're biological, they don't need cultural enforcement. If you let people live how they like, people will do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:48 PM
1

Still curious, how many partners would you say are needed?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:43 PM
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Women should not be encouraged to have casual sex. They should be informed of the pitfalls of this behavior should they engage in it. So you want sex education? I think the system of men in general being the providers and women being caretakers is what makes the most sense logically. Shouldn't every family be free to choose this themselves? Why does this make logical sense in any way? I think that there should be allowance for exceptions but I do think most men and women generally line up with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:38 PM
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If you do it for like 5 seconds it's going to bite your hand. Guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:30 PM
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Well to be fair it depends on how slutty she is I guess. How many partners would you say qualify you as a slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:27 PM
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What would a more healthy and balanced attitude imply? What do you specifically mean by traditional values? Aaaand.... Shouldn't men and women be able to express themselves as they want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:24 PM
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A lot of women can be slutty without facing these consequences. And a lot of women can be what some TRPers her define as slutty (anything over 5 partners) without raising a single eyebrow. Would you say that's a bad or a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:18 PM
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Turns out I'm a pretty bad person huh
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:17 PM
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Degeneracy huh? What direction would you like it to turn?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:16 PM
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IMO it pretty much limits itself to: Look as good as you can, be the person you want to be. "Sexual strategy" is pretty much an illusion of control in my experience. What most guys will gain from stuff like TRP/PUA is simply awareness of bad habits they used to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:16 PM
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Shit, I thought that was only when I masturbated
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:00 PM
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I don't have a problem with their sluttery. I have a problem with their attempts at avoiding the consequences of their sluttery. What are the consequences?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:00 PM
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Even if we take your premise of only 25% of women being attracted to trp guys. That means one in four women will fuck you, become attracted to you through one single strategy that you can perfect while the other 75 are unique snowflakes that you need to tailor every approach for. Way more efficient to go for the 25 imo. Sexual strategy huh. Tailoring your approach. You know what works for me? I just talk to chicks and then if they seem interested I make a move. No need to do a personal SWOT anal…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 07:59 PM
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In addition to that many outliers where TRP doesn't work are crazy, ugly weird women. You don't want them. Based on the field reports and stories from the sidebar etc, wouldn't you say TRPers seem to have experience with weird and crazy women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 07:57 PM
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Because TRP can't conceive that no matter how hot a guy is whether or not he gets laid is up to his personality. Lol what? I thought that was the lie TRP were telling themselves, that you don't need to be attractive. Are you a PUA or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 07:56 PM
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This debate is a trap. You can rationalize absolutely anything to be about survival or reproduction. You're not actually making any testable claims in such a way that would be needed to challenge them. Operationalize instincts and we can talk. Also, you're making the mistake of thinking that because evolution selects traits that help with survival and reprouction, every trait that has survived has a purpose. In reality, a lot of traits can remain just because they don't really do any harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 07:44 PM
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Let's hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 02:10 PM
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A woman could be in a monogamous relationship with a man who lacks the wherewithal to ensure the survival of both she herself and any resulting offspring (back when actual physical survival was a concern). Sure, he'll stick around, but sticking around in and of itself isn't sufficient for getting the job done. He needs to also be willing and able to provide enough resources such that the incapacitated participants, who literally cannot provide for themselves for extended periods of time, can als…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 07:18 AM
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because you are abusing what should be a sacred and intimate connection. People who enjoy casual sex don't feel this way. And what the hell do you mean "supposed", according to whom? The word "sacred" is meaningless to a lot of people y'know, since a lot of people are not religious.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 07:12 AM
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If I remember correctly they felt happier around the time they were having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 10:20 PM
1

You don't need to go to your old uni for an MA.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 03:34 PM
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If you're at a college where "microagressions" are met with diciplinary action, you should find another college. And you should take your friends with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 03:31 PM
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Has anyone been convicted of any of those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 03:28 PM
1

Go to another college. Go abroad maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 03:25 PM
2

Agreed, I also enjoyed it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 01:54 PM
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Well, depends on what you mean with "terrible". In all cases of hardcore-friendzoning that I've seen, the guys either have been ridiculously transparent or have actually said it. In the first cases, the girls have usually pretended to be dumb, in the second cases, the girls still actively tried to keep them around. By terrible I've mean they've done everything except making a move in any sort of way. Women are less a particular type, all it takes for them is liking the validation that comes with…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 01:38 PM
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I was a teenager the last time I saw anything like that. I'm not going to doubt your lived experience - obviously some women are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 01:24 PM
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I like your way of thinking. I wish more people on this sub challenged their own beliefs. And maybe more people on the TRP and TBP subs as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 01:22 PM
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Ideed, well played.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 01:00 PM
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Well then our experiences differ I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 12:51 PM
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It was the exact same for me. But at about the age of 17-18. Never been in the friendzone since. I am with Sands here. I don't think that this is the reason. I think I can remember only one woman who was oblivious to the romantic interests of a guy she was friends with. So then I'm wondering: Do you think this friendzoning stuff happens with people 20+?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 12:26 PM
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This video should do a pretty good job: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDhiyPAD6NQ If you don't have time to watch, it's basically the human tendancy to overestimate the influence of personal characteristics on an instance of observed behavior, and to underestimate the influence of circumstantial factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 12:02 PM
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And how old were they?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:47 AM
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Ever heard of the fundamental attribution error?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:41 AM
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In fact, most of the girls I know who were guilty of friendzoning were rather likable persons overall - they just didn't really waste any thoughts on how the guy in their orbit felt. They were happy the way things were, and that's what counted. Guilty of friendzoning huh, I really don't see it like that. I'll repeat what I wrote in another post: I think what's actually very common is guys befriending women without giving any indication that they're interested, and then getting mad when the woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:40 AM
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Aaaahm... you know the first half - inviting an orbiter to hang out with you because you're bored, even if you're on some level aware of him having ulterior motives - is very common. Jumping ship and hooking up with Chad is a small step from there, and I doubt that a woman who invited her orbiter to hang out with her, but then met the man of her dreams, would think too extensively about the guy whose heart she just broke (again). My experience is that plenty of women are extremely good at ration…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:29 AM
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Lol so the whole world has to change for people who can't adapt to it and are less suitable for hire in private companies? Insanity....truly... Actually, no. Private companies have to adapt, or they will lose their competitive advantages and die. If you read my other posts in this thread, I explain why this is the case. When a company can't utilize the potential of it's employees to a full extent, it will lose to a competitor that can.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 10:16 AM
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At about age 26 I had some really bad experiences with women. Like two girls I was courting that actually wanted to have a relationship with me slept with a guy because I was taking it too slow. My beta mind couldn't compute this. Other things like this. Saw a lot of friends having bad experiences, too. Ha, that happened to me as well. And I reasoned the same. Met her years later and she told me she didn't think I wanted her. Yeah well, I wish I could count all my experiences as "shitty/damaged …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 07:32 AM
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As I said, a certain level of assertiveness is required. But sure. a certain level of passiveness is required as a leaders in order to be a good listener, which again is important in order to maximize the utilization of the skills of your team. Overly assertive and confident leaders do not do this as often as they should, and often make decisions they are not qualified to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 07:12 AM
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Haven't read it, by in general I'm a pretty big fan of his articles. In particular the one about Fuck yes and fuck no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 07:06 AM
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Just curious. I'm 27 and had somewhat of a similar experience in the beginning of my 20s with PUA. I'm guessing PUA is where you learned about "Alpha"-behavior, judging from the timeline you described? When I say somewhat similar I mean I was very into PUA-stuff and it gave me some success that I had not had earlier. However, I came to realize later that this had very little to do with PUA, and more to do with the fact that I exposed myself to situations, reflected on my experiences, and general…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 12:46 AM
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And how old are you again?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 12:26 AM
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Interesting. How would you define "Full alpha mode"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 11:55 PM
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If someone does not have the capacity to assert themselves as a leader then how are they fit to lead? I depends on what type of leadership you're thinking of. For the charismatic/inspirational type of leader, such as a politician, this certainly holds true. However, you can be strategically brilliant for instance without being very assertive. You can also have superior team management skills. Sure, some level of assertiveness is needed, but using it as the only, or even the most important metric…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 11:50 PM
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I have the impression that experienced red pillers think of #2 as the anger phase, while most anger phase guys over at /TRP seem to fall into the #1 category. IMO it's because number two is just a fantasy. Unsuccesful guys fanasize about becoming succesfull by being an asshole, and then becoming angry about it, because this would justify the way they currently feel. It's just like PUA. Or really any other field where you can be rejected and claim it's because the person doing the rejecting doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 11:41 PM
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This is the internet. Hyperboles are impossible to tell from genuine arguments. Ever heard of Poe's law?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 11:33 PM
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So, because some people are too passive (weak) and unfit to compete, we should coddle them? Your ability to assert yourself shouldn't have any influence on your career prospects unless it directly influences the value you create for the company you work for. Internal competition between employees is not good for business. It promotes knowledge hiding and hinders cooperation. A well functioning organization should recognize performance regardless of how assertive a given employee is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 11:31 PM
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I don't think you're understanding the quote correctly. They're simply saying that since most men are more likely to have things in common with other men, information will float more freely between men than in general, and men will be more likely to be aware of opportunities and when to grab them. But still women do the same thing to other women. The problem is that, because so few women are in positions of authority, it creates a terrible cycle where women have to work twice as hard to command …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 11:18 PM
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Yeah I get what you're saying. But I think for most people working on their looks will be the catalyst of most of their improvement. You don't even get the chance to demonstrate other qualities if you don't pass the looks bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 10:35 PM
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Looking back on the earlier posts I can see why you feel that way. But I see you're not arguing the study, so I assume you have abandoned your earlier position, being a man of science and reason and all that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 10:33 PM
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It plummets if you do it for the wrong reasons yes. So again, nothing to rationalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 10:14 PM
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So do cocaine and heroin. Doesn't mean slutting it up makes you a "success" No they don't. If you read that article college students who have casual sex regularly have higher self-esteem, are less anxious and report feeling happier. Cocaine and heroin has the exact opposite effect. There's nothing to rationalize. Having casual sex is good for you. When I talk about success I mean success in finding partners to have sex with. By that metric "slutting in up" does indeed mean you're a success in ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 09:47 PM
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There's nothing to rationalize. Casual sex makes you happy. If anything, people trying to shame are rationalizing their own lack of success, trying to convince themselves they don't get laid by choice and they're actually better people than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 09:37 PM
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Well, of course promiscous men is ok. Just like promiscous women. I'm guessing you're mad because you haven't had a lot of success yourself. It's natural. If you had some experience, you'd realize that sleeping around doesn't change people in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 09:25 PM
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Sounds pretty much like jelly to me. Read that you didn't like men with a lot of partners either, which further proves the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 09:06 PM
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TL;DR: U jelly
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:58 PM
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Well sure, your wants are yours alone I guess. I'll admit I prefer being the one with the highest number count in any realtionship as well, but I've set that bar a bit higher than you have. I've had somewhere between 20-30 partners, but I've been single/short term dating most of my adult life. Most women I meet have years of relationship experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:46 PM
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Would a woman who has had sex with 8 guys repulse you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:51 PM
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Just out of curiousity: What's your own partner count?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:32 PM
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Personally, it does weird me out when a person, male or female, has had loads of different partners. How many are "Loads"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 02:59 PM
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There's a thin line between calling everything misogynistic, and the word losing all it's power. After a while people will just get tired of the entire thing. They won't argue back, they'll simply just start avoiding the shouters.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 12:25 PM
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You can find the complaint box for my vocabulary choice in your nearest trash bin. Lol, aren't you mr unapologetic alpha male.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 11:31 PM
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Is that the same as finding women insipid though?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 09:35 PM
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That is the extreme version of it. But it's basically the male version of the manipulative power IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 06:40 PM
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We went from talking about sexual selection as a genetic phenomenon to modern cultural phenomenons. Which is an okay thing to discuss, I guess, if you are a social constructivist/blank slatest, but that has not been the basis of this debate up to this point. These are two sides of the same coin. I think I've expressed quite clearly that I'm not a blank slater since I discuss this within the premises of evolutionary psychology. I'm not sure whether or not I view monogamy as an innate sexual strat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 03:34 PM
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Yeah, but is he the norm? As much as the manipulative woman is, I'd guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 03:28 PM
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Verifiably you say? I guess you can go ahead and verify it then. I'm waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 05:47 PM
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Most women would probably prefer a husband who was exclusively theirs to being a groupie. You're putting up an extreme example to prove a point, but an example from the "Branch jumping" theory would be: Would Wendy the Waitress either stick with Joe the Plumber, or move up to Greg the Management Consultant? Now who has the power in the relationship with Wendy and Greg if Greg has a higher social status, is more attractive, and brings in more money? Greg obviously, in every aspect. She'd be the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 05:13 PM
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So you wouldn't say that... Women find men to whom a circle of males looks up to more attractive (social proof) Women find men to whom a circle of females admire more attractive (pre selection) This is status, so yeah, it's attractive. Women find men with musical or linguistic ability more attractive Women find men with intelligence, particularly when they can demonstrate that by wit, more attractive I think if these things are attractive as long as you pass the bar. Women find men of ideal weig…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 05:03 PM
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Well then you've moved your goalposts. This started with a quantity argument.... Fair enough, I guess you're right. Are you abandoning that and conceding that RP is right in the way it says non-looks factors are incredibly important in getting laid a lot ? Yes. I would say non-looks factors outside of status and money mostly concern being able to detect signals from women who are interested, and having the guts to talk to a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 03:45 PM
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when you need to ban paternity tests. What? Someone wants to ban paternity test? Anyone supporting that are basically admitting to their husband that he's not the real father of their child. when confronted by immigrant rape culture on literal children they bail out and say nothing cause that's racist and islamophobic and stuff. This has always puzzled me. It's like misogyny is only bad when it's towards white women. The strangest part is that they'll literally not say a word. It's always comple…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 03:36 PM
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I don't doubt that these stories are genuine, but I also don't think this really applies that much to women who are very attractive (8 or more).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 03:32 PM
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Can be an SMV8 to women, if he develops those non innate characteristics. I really don't see that happening unless he gains some obscene amounts of status or money. I think I can kind of understand where you're coming from, I've been rated a 7 myself and my success really is influenced by my own actions because of this, but I've never seen a guy who isn't good looking regularly hook up with good looking women. I mean yeah sure if you're a confident, successful lawyer you can probably date a hot …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 03:02 PM
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Well yeah, I didn't call you a misogynist so I'm not sure where this is coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 02:49 PM
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That they are, in short, more manipulative than men? I think in a way yes, and in a way no. Women are better at playing your feelings, but I think men are more skilled at being con-men/snake oil salesmen. A confident and charismatic man has a different effect on most people than an equally confident and charismatic woman. In short, women and men both have gender specific ways of manipulation. 2) Being on the spectrum Think you've got a point here. 3) Work And here as well. Is this a controversia…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 02:27 PM
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None of these things are automatically annoying, except maybe the intelligence part if she's really stupid. I know a lot of guys who say they find women with very different interests than themselves the most attractive, because that means they'll experience something new. I'll agree that you can't be too far away personality-wise though. Someone who's extremely introverted will have a hard time empathizing with someone who's extremely extroverted for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 02:13 PM
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I think you should be honest with yourself. Not annoying means that she ist far above average personality wise. What you're actually saying here is that you find most women annoying. A lot of men don't. I'd argue that most men don't, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 02:09 PM
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I think to most guys the woman simply has to be attractive to him. Like, he looks at her and thinks: "She's pretty. I like looking at her.". It's how I think about it anyways. A woman who doesn't make me feel that way can still arouse me sexually, but I wouldn't want her as my girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 02:07 PM
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CMV: You should drink water if you're thirsty. These are not "The standards of men". These are the standards of people who most likely have never had a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 02:03 PM
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I agree women have a minimum attractiveness bar. If your face is a 7 I think you have a shot at most women with enough work on yourself and stuff like attitude etc really starts playing in. But IMO for the most part what you refer to as "Game" basically consists of being confident enough to make a move (which it's very likely that you are if you're good looking) and not being a total social retard. As long as she's attracted to you, the halo effect will make her see pretty much anything you do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 02:00 PM
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The idea of men getting better at seducing women was seen as evil. It was framed as "tricking women into bed". The idea of men wanting to have more casual sex than they would get without actively trying was seen as wrong. Yup. Until people realized that PUAs were actually just clowns who couldn't manipulate anyone. This discussion of the morality of seduction/TRP is mostly a power fantasy. Truth is, if you look good, you'll get laid a lot. And good looks are mostly genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 09:09 AM
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if TRP was really just a circlejerk of bitter neckbeards and permavirgin types then why do we have numerous reports of TRP working for guys and getting the results they want?? I don't know. If homeopathy is just water then why did it cure my cousin's friend's daughter's dog's AIDS Cancer that she got from vaccines?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 09:03 AM
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If people felt they had found their natural "match", why would they all of a sudden go for a different (presumably better) match? That's not the totality of what matching theory implies. Matching theory means you likely end up with a person who can offer an equal amount of value as yourself - among other things. If a woman is supposedly branch jumping, she will sooner or later end up in a relationship where she offers less value than the man and thus has less power. This makes no sense from an e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 08:38 AM
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Yup, if you have insane amounts of status then looks don't matter that much. But for the vast majority of people looks matter a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 11:47 PM
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It seems that the actual statistic here is that only 30% are "Engaged and inspired" at work. I can't find any support for 70% hating their job.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 11:43 PM
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Something like 70% of people hate their jobs, but that doesn't mean they stop working. 70% hate their jobs? Citation needed here. There's a big difference between not having your dream job, and genuinely hating your job. Whatever that number is, it's pretty clear that women generally are not sexually attracted to a diverse population of men, but rather tend to focus on the "best" men in whatever situation. As opposed to men, who may be drawn to the most attractive women, but have no compunction …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 04:05 PM
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This. When it comes to casual sex, looks are pretty much the only thing that matters to women as well. Unless you have a ridiculous amount of money or status.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 03:26 PM
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The question you're actually asking is "Why do I only care about whether or not a woman is hot?".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 03:24 PM
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I looked this up. Its a satirical hashtag. If you think that this has led to the killing of men or the degredation of mens rights in any way, you are a wrong. Of course I don't think that. But it's an example of how you can say whatever you want about men, but all other groups are protected. You think #rapeallwomen or #killallblackpeople or #destroythemuslims would be ok as long as it was intended as a joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 10:55 AM
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Matching theory postulates that people are attracted to - and end up with people who are similar to themselves in most aspects, especially attractiveness. In the case that the couple is not similar in attractiveness, there's usually some factor that compensates for this. One of the reasons given for matching theory is that it's the safest bet for both partners since they're each others best option. Hypergamy on the other hand, if I've understood it correctly in the TRP frame, claims that women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 10:49 AM
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Male Nope. Wouldn't consider LTR so dating would be unfair if they didn't just want casual sex. Very much Extremely unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 02:33 AM
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It's the PUA effect. They're all ready good looking, but now they're hitting on a lot more women and they're confident. And if they were the typical "Friendzone" guys who never made sexual advances, it's not so much that RP helps as their previous behavior being ineffective.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 02:30 AM
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I think it's the introduction of online dating that has spun this notion. Women are extremely picky (as shown by tinder and okc statistics) and harsh in their ratings online. I don't think this applies offline though, but that's where it comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 02:28 AM
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I don't know, are they really? I've heard about this all the time, but the only time I see it is on TV shows. Remember not all guys you see having fun with women, touching them etc are actually having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 02:26 AM
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Very well put. Everyone wants to feel like the protagonist of some heroic story.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 02:23 AM
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The Theory of Sexual Selection (Darwin's less-discussed but equally important companion theory to his Theory of Evolution). A man can reproduce via impregnating a great number of women. Limiting himself to mating with one woman doesn't make nearly as much sense from a reproductive strategy standpoint as mating with as many women as he can provide resources for (and, some would argue, the resource provisioning element really isn't all that important to his strategy, either, given the numbers of r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 02:20 AM
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I agree with this. If your face is a 7 and you're not short or something, other things start counting a lot. If you're fit and a 5 you're fit. If you're fit and a 7, you're a hunk. Personality, status etc starts mattering in a completely different way because you're "Past the bar" for most attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 02:10 AM
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What rationale is behind the idea that women "branch jump" and men don't? I don't see any reason to believe that there aren't at least as many men dumping women for better women. My point was that when this happens for both genders it's explained by matching theory, not by hypergamy. It's not logical for a woman to seek out a partner who has a lot more to offer than she does, precisely because he might leave her if someone better comes along. That's why couples are usually the best one another c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:59 AM
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Your argument is that men are less trained than that dog. And the fact you blame Muslims is impressive at ignoring people even in TRP who think this way. You don't get it. This is how many conservative muslims explain the need for women to cover up. It's a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:42 AM
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Yes it's probably slightly offensive but I think the actual, patriarchal, rape condoning culture that exists in the daily lives of hundreds of millions of muslim women is a tad bit more offensive. This is an actual reason put forth by men in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Afghanistan for why women should cover up. And they use Islam as their reasoning. Offesive to those who don't support this? Maybe. Super fucked up and really really Islamophobic? Come on. You wouldn't even co…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:41 AM
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You could look up modern feminist scientific studies, and help criticize them, instead of hanging out pretending we're all a lobotomized Illuminati. But then you'd have to actually do some research,instead of attacking cartoons. I think you should look up Prof. Christina Hoff Summers if you want solid criticism of those statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:28 AM
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Great! I sincerely hope there are more people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:00 AM
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Which cartoons? I don't think anti-feminists should get a free pass on intellectual honesty. Not sure where you got that idea. And TBH even though I disagree with the TRP guys, it's not all that hard to find them criticizing each other on the sub. I've never, ever seen or heard a feminist do such a thing. Edit: Well actually, it happened right now for the first time with u/EmpressofMars. And it should be applauded!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 11:59 PM
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Right, which is why couples never fight about sex. Oh wait, yes they do - it's one of the things couples fight about most. Seriously, I have no doubt that women enjoy sex, but that doesn't mean that they actually enjoy sex regularly with their long-term partners. And definitely not as much as men do, since men don't really lose their interest in sex with their long-term partners. And how is this not hypergamy? Hypergamy? ..What? Point was: Women shouldn't "Provide" sex in a relationship. If the …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 11:55 PM
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You are a real internet warrior. You found a webpage that calculates sample size for a single yes/no question poll and now you think you have it all figured out. That page sells the real software, that figures out the nuance of confidence intervals... I bet you just plugged in 1 or 0.98 as the confidence interval... because you don't know what you are doing. That survey was complicated by several factors that reduce the confidence interval significantly. This is the issue that creates the need f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 11:50 PM
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That's not what they'll call you out on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 11:14 PM
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Go to TBP and make a post where you say "Can we all agree that there are some pretty huge problems with modern feminism?". Content can be anything. Look at the reaction you'll get.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 05:53 PM
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I'm not a TRPer, but I think this cartoon is pretty telling on how feminists view those who disagree with them. I mean, a lot of these stereotypes indeed exist. But when they write CHS in there I'm like.... really? You're going to include the woman who was a feminist before you were even born, who is a professor and argues purely from a scientific viewpoint, in your list? You don't think that maybe, just maybe, some people who are critical of feminism are worth listening to? It just demonstrates…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 05:52 PM
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It's pretty much the message. Anyone who disagree with feminism is a horrible stereotype. I've yet to see a single feminist (excluding the excluded ones such as CHS) claim that anything is wrong with feminism. It's like the catholic church - they act like everything is 100% perfect and everyone who disagree shouldn't be listened to, they're just wrong by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 05:32 PM
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Hm I guess you're right. You'd have to test everyone with "lying detectors" to do the median comparison. Don't know if TRP or the manosphere has the funds for that, lol. Still, puzzling how women lie in an anonymous survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 05:09 PM
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