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We are for equality. Just by pulling those at the bottom up rather than those in the middle up or those at the top down.
/r/MensRights30/12/13 08:39 PM
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You tend to want what is better?
/r/MensRights28/12/13 05:22 PM
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And every gay person I've known was raped (or very molested) by a male as a child. I assume you are American, in America it's a big thing to proudly say 'born that way' it just isn't in the circles I'm in. What you hear is not necessarily an indicative slice of the opinion, just the most promoted opinion to have, a reflexive opposite to either an imagined conservative or to what is itself a reflexive opposite. Psychiatry tends to believe in biological explanations, psychotherapy tends to believe…
/r/MensRights28/12/13 05:09 PM
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Example of one person, and a biased reading. Nurture doesn't mean parents saying 'be homosexual'. The people saying 'it's nurture' are not evil mean conservatives you invented, it's homosexual people themselves. Sometimes it's one parent being overly strict, or absent, or most often it's having gay sex at a young age. Are you saying it is homophobic to say it's nurture?
/r/MensRights28/12/13 04:49 PM
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That assumption in itself is not transphobic though? There is nothing transphobic in discussing transexuals, or discussing if it nature or nurture. Though some transexuals are very vocal that it is nature, they are not in the majority amongst transexuals, they are just the loudest. I'm not saying the article was or wasn't transphobic, I'm just saying that it is not transphobic to believe it is an issue of nurture. The same applies to homosexuality.
/r/MensRights28/12/13 04:38 PM
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It is the occam's razor line of thinking though, if a boy or man wants to be a girl or woman, simplest assumption is that it's because they think it's better to be a woman, to assume that he is 'born that way' firstly means absolutely nothing - people are born with personalities and change them based on observation, the brain is plastic and literally changes, secondly it just hasn't been observed in young boys, just adults (which because the brain changes depending on use is meaningless).
/r/MensRights28/12/13 04:35 PM
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It should be clarified at this point that there isn't any good evidence that bad things happening to you affects your personality - it is the best story for why people end up they way they end up but it isn't proven. I don't say this because I lack sympathy, I say this because I'm mechanically interested in improving peoples (my own) condition.
/r/MensRights28/12/13 05:04 AM
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Nagging equals rape I guess?
/r/MensRights26/12/13 02:48 PM
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She is just wrong, if she wanted him to move to let her by she should have stepped out the way not asked him to move and then stepped in the way. He was rude too but defence is not attack even when it is not the right defence. She violently threatened him and then created a violent atmosphere the remainder of the flight, reverse the genders and we'd call him a stalker or abuser etc. The fact that she feels she is the victim when she isn't is just part of her attack and privilege. Also fuck every…
/r/MensRights25/12/13 05:48 PM
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We can't count actual rapes, we can't count false rapes. Neither leaves a smoking gun or a corpse, it's simply not empirical. And then there is the problem of the ever shifting definition of rape. Even for a simple crime like theft you can't count the victims because many don't report, many aren't believed and many fail to prove it in court, you can't count the occurrence of false reports of theft for the same reason. I believe you are only asking us to be shocked at our reply, but this is clear…
/r/MensRights25/12/13 05:39 PM
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This really begs the question why are we marking kids essays anyway? Tests should be arbitrary to save everyone's time and dodge the inevitable teacher preferences. As for essays/ stories, read it, underline the spelling errors then add a comment or two. If the child wants to learn they will, if they don't want to learn they wont. England has gone crazy with testing kids and it hasn't improved their results, it has just normalized education for it's own sake while most the education system is a …
/r/MensRights24/12/13 12:18 PM
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The problem with the story is, even if everyone acted with genuine intentions and were fully clued in before acting, people would complain because someone always complains about the police, government etc. The story is saying that there was some sort of 'corruption' at the final step, but every step from the beginning was corrupt, willingly and unwillingly. The final corruption being this myopic guardian article.
/r/MensRights24/12/13 12:12 PM
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I think the original story you are linking to is made up, just an opportunity to go 'nature walks are boring, Imma gonna go home and play videa games - lol amirite hi five bro' etc etc. I mean we talking about a microcosm of a microcosm of a microcosm here, or a stereotype repeated by a stereotype etc
/r/MensRights24/12/13 12:07 PM
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English pedophile women in newspapers are uglier than American pedophile women in newspapers. Ok that might seem flippant but I think it shows that in England it's an underclass crime, where in America it's some sort of alpha groupie thing. For what that's worth.
/r/MensRights24/12/13 12:03 PM
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I'll tell you what, you explain why you think it is consistent, then I will criticise what you say, since that is what you are asking from me it seems only fair. If your argument is that you can argue about marxism better than me, that is a given, I'm not a fan of marxism, I learnt enough and then didn't bother to memorise it just so I could argue with people offering nothing in return on the internet. If your argument is I should be happy at the opportunity to waste my time in a debate over int…
/r/MensRights23/12/13 03:06 PM
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Or I could explain what is wrong with Twilight to a Twilight fan?
/r/MensRights23/12/13 01:31 PM
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It would make me feel better about taking my kids to the family lounge.
/r/MensRights23/12/13 07:26 AM
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Well my take is that the law should be blind and you should get some punishment for tazing someone - but you should still do it if you think not doing it will be worse.
/r/MensRights23/12/13 07:25 AM
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Political theories are just a way to sell candidates and parties. They are never internally consistent.
/r/MensRights23/12/13 07:13 AM
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That's sort of meaningless though. Just because something is hard doesn't mean it's a job. Just because one has a job doesn't mean it's hard. Just because something is hard doesn't mean there isn't an easy way to do it that isn't superior - so there isn't an innate value to hard work. I'm just saying if you say raising kids is a job, it's insulting to people with jobs, because they aren't so crass to say the reverse. I'm the primary carer to two children under 3 one of whom is non verbal autisti…
/r/MensRights22/12/13 08:32 PM
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IQ was only designed to catch lower outliers, it has no other value. It was designed to detect retardation.
/r/MensRights22/12/13 06:58 AM
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Having money / income is like being thin, it's attractive but not necessarily the most important thing. But of course so is whatever qualities make a person seem like they'd be a good parent etc.
/r/MensRights22/12/13 06:54 AM
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Men commit suicide at a higher rate so their need is greater (also homeless, drug addiction, crime victims etc etc). Much like if I wanted less difference in wealth I would support the poor not all economic brackets. My first wish is just for honesty in reporting.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 09:19 PM
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The first line was patently false. Now is not a good time to be a father, it is not encouraged. More people are arrested now on spurious charges, it has a negative portrayal in movies and tv, you are more likely to be divorced etc etc
/r/MensRights20/12/13 06:46 PM
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Yes but what you grew up with is less intense than what there is now.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 03:36 PM
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The guardian is probably the biggest reason for this situation.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 02:26 PM
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Surveys are meaningless. (They are used for and against every statement).
/r/MensRights20/12/13 02:24 PM
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I don't think people are against that, we just feel that there is currently some degree less protection for boys than girls, and step one is illuminating what boys go through. For those that don't know, they can gasp less every time they hear it, for those who went through it they get to see they are not alone.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 01:53 AM
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But at the same time a murder leaves a corpse, it's very hard to prosecute without one. Discrimination within an office doesn't leave a smoking gun so much, if I ask you to make coffee daily when it's not part of your job, how do you prove that in court etc. The more trivial a transgression the harder it is to police.
/r/MensRights20/12/13 01:38 AM
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More boys than girls commit suicide or leave school. More boys than girls are put up for adoption, leave home or die a violent death ( I know that isn't conclusive but it's pretty hard to get good numbers on bullying within families and schools, leaving us having to count the consequences to try to measure it).
/r/MensRights20/12/13 01:32 AM
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I think most of the 'man up' people don't realize what that means is get violent revenge that puts you in jail and makes no one any richer.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 09:37 PM
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Everyone wants to steal, but it's pretty rare that people do it, because of the consequences. Some countries have more stealing than others. Most bullying consists of crimes adults do not commit because they are afraid of the jail time but that adults do to children or facilitate the doing to to children as in my example. If I punch you in the face it is a crime. If I stalk you it is a crime. If I attack you until you take your own life it is a crime. If I get my dog to bite you it is a crime. I…
/r/MensRights19/12/13 09:33 PM
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The world works as we decide to make it, different countries have different attitudes to bullying.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 07:51 PM
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Steven Segal would stop bullying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMByDfFMPcE
/r/MensRights19/12/13 07:38 PM
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This sort of persuasion isn't positive. Though to clarify I still think those who make an issue of it are massively inflating the issue.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 03:37 PM
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I would also say the sentence 'X is brave for defying Y' is pretty meaningless to start with. More when the Y is a pop culture high abstraction. And who is gay or not is not binary, not to even begin to wrestle with who feminists will admit is a feminist.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 03:35 PM
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I'm not really in support of either, I don't think the state should leave people to starve, but neither do I think people should infantilize themself and take it for granted others will sort out their lives. People should be protected from criminals, but not necessarily protected from the relationships they form with jerks. Further it's simply undo-able, we can't protect people from bad parents, bad children, bad friends, or bad lovers, we can just stop violence and financial theft. Germany prov…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 07:47 AM
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People need to realize that we will never be able to police what goes on inside relationships, unless we put cameras in peoples homes or something. It's infantile.
/r/MensRights18/12/13 06:00 AM
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Ok my take on it is if boys and girls can wrestle as equals, isn't this essentially the same?
/r/MensRights18/12/13 04:48 AM
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I would upvote you if this hadn't been posted a squillion times already.
/r/MensRights15/12/13 09:35 PM
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Sort of. Getting on with your life is good, fixing everyone else is not actually that good.
/r/MensRights15/12/13 04:20 PM
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If it were true I wouldn't care.
/r/MensRights14/12/13 07:52 AM
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Bad theories are bad even when a person smiles and says they are nice.
/r/MensRights13/12/13 08:21 PM
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An individual can work to challenge anything that affects them as an individual. But the state should prioritize issues by their severity (in which regard street harassment is very low priority). Anyone who pretends an issue is a big concern can check the actual numbers to find out if that is true or not. This is a perfect example of 'what about the wimminz?'.
/r/MensRights12/12/13 09:48 PM
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It's diffinately a case of 'woman is afraid of men; we must resuce her and punish men', 'man is afraid of women; we must punish him and rescue women from him'.
/r/MensRights12/12/13 07:08 PM
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You're right, I had missed that distinction. My honest take is that he was a nut, he probably thought he'd land on a stall and be ok (he did, but he wasn't). We typically think those in desperate victimhood do these things, but sometimes (Ian Watkins) there is no good reason.
/r/MensRights10/12/13 02:37 PM
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Not really statistically meaningful.
/r/MensRights10/12/13 02:30 PM
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Witnesses said they had a big argument and that is what they argued about.
/r/MensRights10/12/13 02:30 PM
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Men and women had different roles but there is no evidence women had the worse roles. Statistics had men dying more (yes even when childbirth was more risky than now), killing themselves more etc etc. Plus I really hate how this frames women as not participating or creating this situation at all.
/r/MensRights09/12/13 07:12 AM
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No, breastfeeding doesn't really involve any exposure unless you stare and wait. And we can't say breastfeeding is good and then demand people do it indoors. It's not smoking, the vast majority of people still have children at some point, and most countries would want to encourage people to have children. I really don't see why someone should feel embarrassed to feed their baby in the medically recommended manner.
/r/MensRights08/12/13 06:00 PM
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One person's nice person is another person's jerk.
/r/MensRights08/12/13 05:32 PM
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I'm not conceding because it is changing the argument. I can't concede because it is an entirely different argument. You could give a yes or no rather than bringing up something else requiring it's own argument. You could have avoided all these by not saying that your detraction was a refute, and then arguing the point, which you have now admitted, and have admitted you were wrong. In response to your next vacillation; 'Jesus Christ, it never ends'.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 07:03 PM
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hug it out? (I didn't downvote, it was probably random)
/r/MensRights07/12/13 06:59 PM
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No I said that was a different argument for a different thread. (Because I am not willing to start a new argument in lieu of the first). Fault itself was not part of the discussion, and would be another argument in it's own right. So you concede that men invented more than women? (Many times more) And that putting aside childrearing women contribution was minimal and therefore the claim that they shouldn't pay tax but should reap the benefits is bad. (Not that I am making the argument that child…
/r/MensRights07/12/13 06:49 PM
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I'm not contending what you said though, just clarifying my position. Whether you counter a bullshit theory or not I guess depends on how you feel about what the other person is saying (even when the logic is clear they're wrong).
/r/MensRights07/12/13 06:45 PM
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I never said patriarchy theory is real. The argument occurs even when it's refuted.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 06:35 PM
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If he says women haven't contributed, you coming up with a few examples, which are vastly dwarfed by the male contribution, doesn't refute it, unless you pretend he meant absolutely 100% ever, which he didn't say, and which it would be unreasonable to read into it. Much as if I said dogs are bigger than badgers, and you brought up how the chihuahua is very small and the panda is a type of badger - well done you found some exceptions, but not really an address of the original point. If I said bla…
/r/MensRights07/12/13 06:33 PM
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what to wear what to eat what to feel what to think how to act how to speak insecure incomplete!! That's a pretty laughable list of sufferings. And I'm pretty sure the numbers say the opposite in each case, women wear a wider range of clothes, women are more likely to call the police about flashing etc, women eat a wider range of food and more men suffer from malnutrition. More men are sectioned (inappropriate feelings), women are more likely to call the police because of another persons attitud…
/r/MensRights07/12/13 12:38 PM
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But I have my soap box all ready. :(
/r/MensRights07/12/13 12:35 PM
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She also thinks that good is defined by not being as bad as the bad, and that bad is being associated with a specific bad, you can quiet easily put bad and good on either side this way (conservatives are not like Charles Mansion so are good, left are like him so are bad, or whatever reverse example).
/r/MensRights07/12/13 12:34 PM
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That detracts from his point but it doesn't refute it. Women are very underrepresented in inventions. (And some of these are products rather than inventions.)
/r/MensRights07/12/13 12:32 PM
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I think Bureaugamy should be the mensrights counter to patriarchy theory.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 12:10 PM
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It's not understanding, they are quiet happy to be wrong and spiteful if it gets them attention. I'm sort of a coward so the concept is bizarre to me but after so much exposure to it it's what I'm coming to realize.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 12:09 PM
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This only works if either is is actually in need, most production is for luxury items (that we wouldn't really consider a luxury but still), as such it's a question of whether we build more televisions or more beer etc. All the evidence is that banks are efficient tools at taking money away from the third world and giving it to the first. It's not a question of class, the third world needs infrastructure and their debts hinder it.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 12:07 PM
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There is no evidence banks are able to predict investments. (I'm not against the concept, they just aren't able to do it).
/r/MensRights07/12/13 12:02 PM
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redditer for 25 minutes.
/r/MensRights07/12/13 04:23 AM
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Men are violent women are not. (Except when it's not true).
/r/MensRights06/12/13 07:59 AM
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This thread again. Drama.
/r/MensRights05/12/13 02:28 PM
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Avoidable death, poverty, mental health, psychological abuse.
/r/MensRights02/12/13 08:06 PM
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I couldn't get more than 20 minutes into the first movie, though not because of any feminism just because it was so emo and slow. And cheezy and cheap.
/r/MensRights02/12/13 04:30 PM
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This sounds like a horrible video for horrible video's sake.
/r/MensRights02/12/13 04:27 PM
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There is no connection. Banning elective cosmetic surgery on minors makes sense. Circumcision is clearly unpopular in Germany but they are not yet ready to ban, perhaps they will in some years.
/r/MensRights02/12/13 04:26 PM
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This thread again.
/r/MensRights01/12/13 06:09 AM
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It's an honest reason whether it's right or wrong.
/r/MensRights30/11/13 12:35 PM
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Sorry if I was rude. I'm just defensive because of how discussions normally devolve on Reddit (and most forums).
/r/MensRights27/11/13 10:40 PM
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"Innately" Something can be a woman's rights issue that feminism doesn't address. Something can be a woman's rights issue that feminism takes a contrary stance on. For example women who want to breast feed face a lot of flack from feminism. Or as another example someone can say 'when feminist Germaine Greer says rape is endemic amongst soldiers she is wrong and bad' without in anyway attacking women's rights. Someone can be pro-women's rights and not be feminist or even be anti-feminist. Someone…
/r/MensRights27/11/13 10:13 PM
7

Fit is a normal word to say in England to mean attractive. Although of course maybe he was being sarcastic.
/r/MensRights27/11/13 10:12 PM
6

False dichotomy. Plus merely exploring over and over is perseveration, and most of the solutions do involve challenging feminism - which is not innately linked to womens' rights.
/r/MensRights27/11/13 10:06 PM
1

It would be fine if it was consistent with all crimes, and if accused weren't named.
/r/MensRights27/11/13 10:02 PM
4

Anything vaguely intellectual gets ignored and hated. Anything but DM outrage posts is called off topic. Also everyone tries to tie their personal hatred of x political fantasies into feminism, entitlement/ racism etc. It can get a bit like the dailymail for the dateless. Angry Harry is better.
/r/MensRights27/11/13 07:22 AM
6

I'd like a test wherein no man suffers without at least the barest mention that is bad. Ie no red-shirts. No heros doing stuff that gets lots of innocent bystanders killed where we don't care because they are men. In non-action movies this can include bullying and theft. If the victim is laughed at, that at least admits the sadism in the movie. (Any time a woman or child suffers there is sad music and tears, also pets normally get this sympathy, men don't).
/r/MensRights26/11/13 05:45 PM
3

On internet forums no, mainly because of the leakage from revenge seekers and alpha wannabes. Otherwise yes. Though I believe education is more important than awareness raising.
/r/MensRights26/11/13 05:38 PM
2

So many 'the one good man' about.
/r/MensRights26/11/13 06:55 AM
6

trolling
/r/MensRights26/11/13 06:52 AM
1

Yet I didn't say that?
/r/MensRights25/11/13 02:04 PM
1

It's sort of like Catcher in the Rye or a Morrissey song. Its sounds really good, but it doesn't actually mean much.
/r/MensRights25/11/13 07:12 AM
1

Supported by research is less reliable than supported by the numbers. Just doing something alone or being alone isn't really an issue. But dying without children, suicide, being a drug addict, in jail, or being homeless or in a mental institution are all conditions associated with isolation and all affect men more. I think people who are unmarried tend to have lower incomes and higher risk of negatives (suicide etc). But there isn't really any way to measure who has friends or not. I think the f…
/r/MensRights25/11/13 06:59 AM
1

He sounds like a dickbag though?
/r/MensRights23/11/13 06:00 AM
1

In all seriousness maybe he just has really skinny and really short legs. Right, right, right? Help
/r/MensRights23/11/13 05:56 AM
2

Meh, cherry picked data. This comes up pretty often. I remember when Japan was going to take over the world.
/r/MensRights22/11/13 05:05 PM
5

It starts of with a couple of outrageous statements and then spends several paragraphs explaining how actually they don't apply. Fuck you science, I have dramatic headlines to write. I wish newspapers had never found out about dna because they've been misrepresenting it for silly headlines ever since. The team were actually talking about infertility treatments for men, yet the writer has, on their own, come up with the idea this means men contribute little (and leaves this open as to what they m…
/r/MensRights22/11/13 01:06 PM
24

This isn't an achievement. Two wrongs don't make a right.
/r/MensRights22/11/13 01:03 PM
13

I think that the guy is in the wrong. Also is it me or is that a very big penis?
/r/MensRights22/11/13 12:59 PM
5

I actually find weaker trolling more annoying than when the troll at least tries.
/r/MensRights22/11/13 12:56 PM
3

Regret and sex doesn't mean rape. This is that false accusation thing we complain about happening to men. This thread has been posted here several times, someone is really pushing it.
/r/MensRights22/11/13 05:41 AM
1

Criminal minds went downhill when they got rid of Emily Prentice. (Not because she was super or anything, just happened around then.)
/r/MensRights21/11/13 04:07 PM
3

Link please.
/r/MensRights21/11/13 04:02 PM
0

Rape bad Murder worse Torture worst.
/r/MensRights21/11/13 07:47 AM
1

In my day, etc etc.
/r/MensRights20/11/13 09:25 PM
3

So, this thread again.
/r/MensRights19/11/13 06:01 PM
16

Perhaps they'll start arresting people for owning '50 shades of gray'? Probably not.
/r/MensRights18/11/13 04:49 PM
4

All recent wars have been aimed at men, (if not all wars ever).
/r/MensRights18/11/13 04:47 PM
4

What does the word mutilation mean? We're not talking about piercing a babies ears here. It is a functional part of the human body that isn't there any more. Comparisons to fgm are irrelevant.
/r/MensRights17/11/13 03:02 PM
6

This thread again. See sidebar.
/r/MensRights17/11/13 08:35 AM
1

I'm old you are young. You being young is the only reason I can imagine that you would post this thread. I haven't been in your situation because I hang around with boring sane people.
/r/MensRights17/11/13 08:32 AM
1

Your story is too story-ish. The internet is full of them, and it is something teens ape for drama. While what you said might have actually happened, the internet is 9 lies for every true story. I'm sorry if your generation actually thinks it is a good idea to talk to strangers on a forum about your own experiences.
/r/MensRights17/11/13 06:48 AM
1

Obama health care stuff and you talking to a friend are two different subjects.
/r/MensRights17/11/13 06:46 AM
1

Did she care about his orgasm though, or did he sort it out himself, what exactly is stopping her from doing the same? (Not directed at you, just shouting at the tv so to speak).
/r/MensRights16/11/13 04:52 PM
2

I don't think breastfeeding should determine visitation - but I don't think a child under 3 should be going from one parent to another. It's a pity they couldn't manage to not be divorced for another year or more.
/r/MensRights16/11/13 06:52 AM
1

I'm sure yours is more helpful.
/r/MensRights15/11/13 06:53 PM
2

The most passive aggressive thing I've ever read. Also talk about rich people problems.
/r/MensRights15/11/13 01:35 PM
8

I don't think contact time should be a factor, otherwise it could be argued that men commit crime at a higher rater overall due to increased exposure to people outside the home - which would be a hopelessly passive stance to take. Also people have an incentive to be nice to their own children.
/r/MensRights15/11/13 01:33 PM
5

It is reasonable. They are different. The fact that they are differing in popularity is irrelevant. I am very much in favor of prioritizing bigger issues over smaller issues, but that doesn't mean all issues can be raised every time any issue is raised - just when an issue is used to push a gender narrative.
/r/MensRights14/11/13 07:40 AM
3

I think it would be better to approach this example without discussing race/religion. Not because I'm some super fan of (insert race/relgion/politics etc), it just is unnecessary to mix the two subjects. You might want to relink with a different title.
/r/MensRights13/11/13 06:29 AM
3

Suicide, homelessness, adoption, expulsion, etc http://www.postsecondary.org/archives/previous/ForEvery100Girls.pdf A long list of areas men/boys are over represented in.
/r/MensRights13/11/13 06:25 AM
3

She can have sex with a wide range of guys. She is choosing the one that will get her fired to have sex with, the one that is slighter, stupider, needier, more childish etc. "There is no reason she couldn't just have sex with someone her own age". Wanting sex does not equal wanting sex with a specific person. You do realize there are places called 'bars' where she can go and see over a hundred guys who all want to have sex with her. Also this thing called 'online dating'. In fact people would pa…
/r/MensRights12/11/13 07:33 PM
2

It's my experience. Sorry for living it. lol. "There is no reason she couldn't just have sex with someone her own age". You can't be this arrogant.
/r/MensRights12/11/13 07:31 PM
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A 21 yr old only has sex with a 16 yr old to enjoy the power difference. There is no reason she couldn't just have sex with someone her own age. It is very unlikely that he benefited from this power difference, it is most likely that he will feel bad. You might say 'so what' but people kill themselves over breakups all the time (more than any other reason). Further men who have sex with a woman often go to large efforts to please that woman, he might stop studying etc, this is only to his benefi…
/r/MensRights12/11/13 12:07 PM
1

'Sweet and Tender Hooligan' by the Smiths. (I'm just kidding).
/r/MensRights12/11/13 07:27 AM
4

Duchamp did it first by selling a toilet.
/r/MensRights11/11/13 03:05 PM
2

I agree but I don't think you should demand to come change every diaper.
/r/MensRights11/11/13 07:10 AM
2

That doesn't sound equivalent. The point is politics is full of idiots, not least of which is women saying all men are bad.
/r/MensRights10/11/13 06:22 AM
4

"Women are the main victims of war". Any man who said such an asanine comment - or any comment about women as a gender, would be laughed out of office.
/r/MensRights09/11/13 07:41 PM
1

Well you got revenge by making people here read that super long meandering ramble.
/r/MensRights07/11/13 02:53 PM
2

Children don't hit very hard. Bicycles are more dangerous (rugby, hockey, horseriding, etc). I don't see any black eyes or bloody noses. That amount of body building (as per the pictures), isn't advisable. There is a question about what sort of message they are getting.
/r/MensRights06/11/13 08:52 PM
8

He pulled a knife. Stupid thread.
/r/MensRights06/11/13 05:16 PM
0

That's appeal to authority, and ad-hominem. Facts are facts. Anyone can look at research and say it is flimsy, that's what separates science from religion.
/r/MensRights06/11/13 07:43 AM
2

You could make that argument about social sciences, but other sciences have hard evidence and tests.
/r/MensRights05/11/13 08:33 PM
1

The point is a person can say what is good research and what is bad. Consensus is not evidence.
/r/MensRights05/11/13 08:32 PM
7

They aren't putting down women, they are putting down one specific woman who ran her boyfriend over 3 times. Because unequal sentencing and perception of women as never the aggressor.
/r/MensRights05/11/13 12:08 PM
2

It's not just about single cases, all the research says men get longer sentences.
/r/MensRights05/11/13 12:07 PM
-1

Children consider there parents as having no purpouse but serving them. The more attention the parents get, the more the children rebel for attention themselves.
/r/MensRights05/11/13 12:05 PM
6

Some women routinely date damaged or criminal men (who then treat them like crap).
/r/MensRights05/11/13 06:03 AM
1

If mensrights had less suicide and homelessness, and more pretty faces, it would be popular. Suffering is not attractive. We have nothing people want (except people suffering, but they have little purchasing power).
/r/MensRights04/11/13 06:54 AM
3

Men in the third world still commit suicide at a higher rate, die younger etc. The whole issue is confused by a small group of successful males who seem to have it all (and who are often complete assholes). Even if male suffering is caused by other males, it is still men suffering. It might be hard to say 'men are at the bottom' because they are also at the top. But I don't care about the gripes of people near the top, or near the middle, I only care about those at the bottom. A boy who bullied …
/r/MensRights03/11/13 07:05 AM
1

Suicide rates.
/r/MensRights03/11/13 06:52 AM
1

If you include violence toward the elderly and children it is more equal. The problem with including false accusations as violence ('proxy violence'), is there might be an equivalent male false accusation that we are simply not aware of (economic violence for example). Plus false accusations are very hard to measure. And what about things that are equivalent to false accusations? Such as fathers who leave childcare in the mothers hands (when she also works). It is not that surprising that men co…
/r/MensRights03/11/13 06:38 AM
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This seems more an issue of government red tape.
/r/MensRights03/11/13 06:22 AM
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You're minimizing and emoting. Look at the suicide rates. Look at the adoption rates. Look at homelessness, look at mental institutions. Any tangible measure of suffering, men are at the bottom.
/r/MensRights03/11/13 06:21 AM
1

https://www.focusing.org/ I know the website looks pretty old, but I've been to a lot of different therapists, focusing was the best, it's the only one where they totally accept what you are saying. In my experience. I could have given you more specific help if you where in the UK.
/r/MensRights03/11/13 06:18 AM
3

This thread again.
/r/MensRights02/11/13 02:13 PM
3

My story isn't a million miles different, it is disappointing how unhelpful even professionals can be. I recommend focusing therapy, it is by far the best therapy, and especially it revolves around the patient/client is always right, without judgement or suggestion. What country are you in?
/r/MensRights02/11/13 09:43 AM
2

Murder is not only committed by white men. Neither is multiple murders or spree killings etc.
/r/MensRights02/11/13 06:56 AM
7

I want longer sentences, but not allowing tv seems just random and spiteful. Surely it's easier to let inmates watch tv than leave them to entertain themselves (in perhaps less than helpful ways).
/r/MensRights01/11/13 11:49 AM
3

As others have said, I wouldn't, for my own self respect, ever forgive someone who took part in 'a protective circle' from me. Men helping men out is something feminists say already happens none stop.
/r/MensRights31/10/13 06:26 AM
2

Perception is irrelevant unless it comes with actual violence or threats. This thread has been done before (not that it is wrong to do it again, but just dispelling possible assumptions). There are still offices that treat women less well. Though there are also the opposite and adults are responsible for choosing their own workplace. Women get treated badly during pregnancy and when with their children I've seen it happen to my wife, when I walk in it stops immediately. When her younger sister w…
/r/MensRights30/10/13 07:15 PM
1

I didn't.
/r/MensRights30/10/13 03:29 PM
1

This is what I call the Jenga argument. His position rests on a long stack of assumptions non of which are proven or that he has attempted to prove, if any one of his assumptions are wrong then the rest are wrong. When you make an argument, each part of it should be a tangible fact, you can't make an argument based on other unproven's.
/r/MensRights30/10/13 08:48 AM
3

It's almost as if women are wearing clothes specifically to draw attention to their breasts and hips. Honestly I would too if it got me anything like the same rewards.
/r/MensRights30/10/13 08:32 AM
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I think it's really stupid to divide people into Alpha's and Beta's - I don't have enough time to investigate it further. I can look past angry language but I don't see much of substance there, further the pickup stuff is endlessly repetitive. Dating and mensrights to me are entirely unrelated - sure it is sad to be a guy and not date much, but I'd rather address the guys sadness than women not wanting to date (it is a free world). I would rather empower men than demand women behave differently.…
/r/MensRights29/10/13 03:00 PM
0

'Islam good or bad', seems a little off-topic.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 07:15 PM
3

So you’re telling me that accepting “blackface” means society is progressing? Great. . Yes, not having problems is progress.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 12:46 PM
0

The annoying thing about tv like this to me, is that it is written by some guy who thinks it makes him really 'right on'.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 10:26 AM
1

You can't let someone run things. If they run things they run things. If you let them do stuff then you're in control and they are just being employed. Anyone capable of running things doesn't need letting.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 07:49 AM
1

I don't understand articles that haven't mentioned any actual issues within the first 3 paragraphs, just the author talking about themself.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 07:46 AM
1

I regret the abortions I've been affected by - I think more should be done to tell people that children don't end your life and you might as well do it sooner rather than later. But I think people should have the freedom to do what they want with their body.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 07:42 AM
5

I don't think these are typical women so much as very visible women.
/r/MensRights28/10/13 07:39 AM
9

The term rape is not right - but women have every right to complain when they receive bad treatment for a procedure that they can nearly all expect to go through. Unnecessary Cesarian is painful. A good birth can involve very little tearing, a bad birth can involve a lot of tearing. Giving birth lying on your back is the worst way to give birth, it is only the norm for the doctors convenience. Even though midwife's are more helpful for the vast majority of births. A bad birth will reduce the cha…
/r/MensRights27/10/13 08:10 PM
3

Basically she says 'not my problem'. If men die young it's not her fault. Yet if women aren't ceo's it is my fault?
/r/MensRights27/10/13 08:02 PM
2

Her description of herself is vapid and circular, why was the article basically about her anyway?
/r/MensRights27/10/13 02:54 PM
2

I notice watching waybaloo and other childrens tv shows, there is a lot of non-feminism, that's to say boys being stereotypical boys and girls being stereotypical girls. I'd go as far as to say feminism is pretty much ignored by most people except by angry vindictive segments of society looking for ways to hurt people. I think feminism is actually loosing traction.
/r/MensRights27/10/13 02:47 PM
4

Respect feelings. Babies have feelings (and are in more need of defense than their parents).
/r/MensRights26/10/13 03:09 PM
1

The logic is being a bigot is a bad thing therefor it is ok to attack it - but bigot is a pretty strange concept, essentially meaning that if you show any discrimination you are a sadistic prison warden. When in fact discrimination is not synonymous with what it is associated with, and isn't in itself bad.
/r/MensRights26/10/13 02:58 PM
4

I don't think arguments that are merely tools for arguing are a good thing - arguing is not an end in itself. Appearance really isn't that important - I also don't think support from others is the most important goal, education in the long run works better - if you put appearance first the message gets lost.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 06:33 PM
3

There definitely is a whole new world of bullying and power waiting after you leave education (and at each stage of education). It's possible for someone to do well as a child then as an adult just get crushed for their lack of experience being on the receiving end of bullying.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 04:25 PM
10

That's the 3rd of these 'japanese not having sex teh hee hee' in a month. Someone's got an agenda, or some people are hacks. Well I'm glad tv people have learned how to make middle class racist tv. Plus they imply that it is men causing the low birth rate - but it's pretty simple to realize if Japanese women still wanted children, it would be no problem at all to have them, some men would happily provide the service, if not locally then tourists, it wouldn't take many men. It's sort of bizarre h…
/r/MensRights25/10/13 12:29 PM
3

I think this confuses two different things (so called) 'entitlement', and passive aggressive hostage taking. Whining, blackmailing etc to get what you want is the latter. Feeling like you are worth support whether you are achieving or not until you no longer need it is entitlement, and it isn't a bad thing. You will see homeless men unable to take the support they need to not be homeless, you will see men steal rather than beg etc, take what they want rather than ask for it because they deserve …
/r/MensRights25/10/13 11:26 AM
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I don't support most of these, because I think it is important not to be part of the problem, and part of the problem is a million unachievable goals. Essentially this is a list of problems, not a list of solutions. I think the important thing is prioritizing public spending for those most in danger of homelessness or suicide. Most problems funnel into these two.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 11:21 AM
2

That doesn't address what I said. I never said every kiss is bad, I just said 'the kid liked it' is no reason to say it's ok.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 11:16 AM
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The comments are normally better than the articles at the guardian. Which is why they've been disabled in this case.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 07:15 AM
6

By that logic it would be fine to give the kid heroin. Sex with a minor is bad irrelevant to whether the minor shows excitement. This is the same principle (scaled down).
/r/MensRights25/10/13 07:12 AM
4

If you think pick up artists are looking for non mutual relationships - then what they are discussing is actually pretty sinister - I don't think we can pretend they aren't part of the mrm even though the main body doesn't agree with them. That would make them equivalent to feminist radicals.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 07:10 AM
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I don't think we get to 'no true Scotsmen'. At the moment they define the movement less than the more neutral voices - but I won't pretend otherwise if a time comes when they are the defining voice of the mrm.
/r/MensRights25/10/13 07:02 AM
2

Defense is not attack. I can say what is wrong without any particular desire to punish or control people. (To clarify I think violent crimes and property crimes should be punished, but if a government intervenes in gray areas it is itself a problem).
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:27 PM
1

Conspiracy type stuff without the aliens / new age spiritualism / bad science.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:24 PM
2

I disagree with pretty much all your assumptions and don't think any of them are occam's razor type natural assumptions to make either. We don't have to choose between egailitarian or traditional, we can just live and let live. There is no reason we have to tell others what to do. I think you are the sort of person who think something like communism is a fairy tale, that it can never work - which for a nation is true. But it is in fact pretty common between the rich. What I am saying is you don'…
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:14 PM
1

Actually the basic premise of this article is wrong. You can learn that you are wrong - and still lie and say you are right. I don't advise it, I'm just saying you can't say that those who lie get nothing out of the debate.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 01:23 PM
1

He's not a feminist, he's a manhood academy guy. (Not that that is a good thing).
/r/MensRights23/10/13 01:22 PM
3

Why do you dislike the search function / faq?
/r/MensRights23/10/13 01:14 PM
3

Number 3 is just number 1 and 2 again. Number 2 is just a specialized form of number 1. Number 1 is based entirely on evidence. People can have limited knowledge of that evidence. But in regard to people's behavior for the vast majority of questions the evidence is out there to answer the question.
/r/MensRights22/10/13 07:11 PM
0

Just judging these as jokes most of these are way to wordy and in-jokey.
/r/MensRights22/10/13 05:53 PM
1

I already know women? My wife for example, previous girlfriends, non sexual female friends etc.
/r/MensRights21/10/13 06:23 PM
4

It was a term originally invented to explain the culture of rape in American prisons and how the guards were essentially taking part in it by not stopping it. Ie the idea that someone can go into prison for a not especially serious crime and end up getting raped daily without the guards stopping it. There is nothing comparable outside in places such as universities or offices.
/r/MensRights21/10/13 11:48 AM
10

It's a bizarre question to ask - it automatically begs the real question - do more women than men die of preventable causes. (No, more men than women die from preventable causes - which is greatly more salient.)
/r/MensRights21/10/13 11:45 AM
2

A simple explanation would be that jobs are very tight and very competitive, plus if you don't have a career your a nobody - most people would struggle in these conditions to sustain a love life. Another could be that the cost of living is so high only the rich can afford kids, but they live in the most expensive areas and struggle too. Passive aggression could have just become a typical character trait, perhaps because straight forward aggression is so taboo. It seems like the article is really…
/r/MensRights21/10/13 07:36 AM
2

Scrawny people and ham people are still people, they are not disqualified from the argument by their 'shortcomings'.
/r/MensRights21/10/13 07:14 AM
3

Hobbyists then. Just because enemies is a pejorative and respect is a positive doesn't amount to an argument - of course I take those in power more seriously than those without, it's not about liking or helping one more than the other, it's about reality.
/r/MensRights20/10/13 07:20 PM
2

Which feminists do you meet, the important ones or the hobbyists? Unless you are very much a hub, you meet only a very confirming group of people. Despite your posts I don't actually have an argument either way in regard to feminists sexual desires (it seems beside the point), I was just pointing out that your post was (what I've already said). You can simply discuss facts, you don't have to threaten to write an essay on quality of scholarship.
/r/MensRights20/10/13 05:36 PM
6

Hyperbole isn't convincing in itself, nor is claiming to be worldly wise, sorry to break this to you, but I'm not some teenager you can shout down. You are addressing me as if I am all of reddit, yet I'm not, you drop your experience as if it makes your argument, ignoring the fact I'm also a person with my own experience. You still aren't actually saying anything other than adjectives and guilting. When you address the appearance of the movement alone you only clarify why we have to ignore appea…
/r/MensRights20/10/13 05:15 PM
8

I'm not agreeing with the op, but most of what you said doesn't make any sense. Try focusing on real things not abstractions and adjectives. Not to mention you are mentioning a collection of mind bogglingly trivial complaints.
/r/MensRights20/10/13 03:36 PM
8

I'm a man, I got drunk in uni, yet I never raped anyone. I guess I'm not really a man? (Feminism really has this subtext of shaming less thuggish men).
/r/MensRights20/10/13 11:10 AM
-3

Cutting yourself is not a hard measure of suffering, someone who isn't suffering can do it for attention.
/r/MensRights20/10/13 07:56 AM
4

Cherry picking. Also hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights19/10/13 04:26 PM
4

The term privilege is hypoagency - ish.
/r/MensRights19/10/13 01:35 PM
9

Jews were a minority - it's just not really the same scenario.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 05:15 AM
3

I don't work in government, am I still a man?
/r/MensRights18/10/13 05:13 AM
0

Angry Harry suggested a higher ratio of women to men (so the opposite).
/r/MensRights18/10/13 05:09 AM
46

Stress does cause illness. All of which occur at higher rates amongst men. (Though they probably also occur at higher rates amongst black people).
/r/MensRights18/10/13 04:46 AM
5

I'm a man and I'm not a ceo (or a rapist), I guess I'm not really a man?
/r/MensRights18/10/13 04:44 AM
1

That's ridiculous. Suffering is not some factoid. Society serves two purposes only, making people richer, and rescuing people from suffering. Feminism is entirely based on the assumption that women suffer more, that's it. I'm not arguing that the sky is blue because the lawn, I'm arguing the sky is blue because it's blue, you are the one with empty rationalization. Your argument is that argument is valid for it's own sake, you are ignoring that argument only serves to identify actual verifiable …
/r/MensRights17/10/13 11:50 AM
-1

What would be the purpose of debate though?
/r/MensRights16/10/13 11:47 AM
13

When I was growing up I was completely under my mothers spell, I would hit my dad or step dad if they said anything that upset her (pre-teen), it was only when I was on the receiving end I had my M.Night Shyamalan moment. I still to this day in my 30's occasionally realize new facts that I had totally backwards.
/r/MensRights16/10/13 11:46 AM
2

The statistics are that men suffer more. All narratives that don't address statistics are merely bluffs. You can't address a bluff (addressing it empowers it) except to say it is a bluff. Patriarchy is not supported by statistics. Men suffering outnumber men governing. Men suffering outnumber women suffering. Having an important job is not positive outcome in itself (it is only positive by leading to more money etc - but women overall are not poorer than men, and more men are in poverty). Women …
/r/MensRights16/10/13 07:36 AM
1

I think you are lazy posting this thread. Explain a bit more what you are talking about, link to the book at least. (I think this is obvious and you are being dishonest).
/r/MensRights16/10/13 07:24 AM
2

Feminist bring up what happens outside the west purely to take advantage of how unfamiliar people in the west are with the non-west. But males are still killing themselves more, homeless more, given up for adoption more, in mental institutions more, drug addicts more etc in the non-west, and in the developing world, in any worn torn area you will see something approaching gendercide against men.
/r/MensRights16/10/13 04:34 AM
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Lazy.
/r/MensRights16/10/13 04:22 AM
2

I don't really agree with their conclusions - I think most people will get together and have at least one child porn or not. There are communities in the west too of people who just don't want sex. Japan just seems to have normalized it, however that happens, mutual passive rather than straight forward aggression. I never encountered the in your face feminism we get here over there. If having a child does become commoditized, I wonder who will get the raw deal, the men who buy or the women who s…
/r/MensRights16/10/13 04:19 AM
2

Help for those who need it. I don't care about those at the top, I don't care about social expectations. Fixing society is not really mentioned here, that's a straw man.
/r/MensRights15/10/13 06:26 PM
2

I don't, I don't know anyone who does, those I've known who would, do it to be offensive and don't care what anyone thinks.
/r/MensRights15/10/13 03:59 PM
3

Sorry, what is ftfy?
/r/MensRights15/10/13 10:16 AM
15

I don't care about any of those things. I just want help to go to those who need it, and I want the help to be sincere. I think I'm in the majority here in this regard.
/r/MensRights14/10/13 06:42 PM
1

It seems to me that the reality is of feminists trying to take over any mens right discussion. Nobody is stopping feminists, they are mostly either ignoring them or giving them money to go away.
/r/MensRights14/10/13 08:38 AM
2

That risks becoming a goal in it's own right. (Just playing devils advocate).
/r/MensRights14/10/13 08:33 AM
4

An argument is judged by whether it is right or not, not by how it sounds.
/r/MensRights14/10/13 08:32 AM
2

He mentioned some of the people there were victims of violence by women, as if that meant they could be ignored as crazy broken people.
/r/MensRights11/10/13 07:14 PM
2

Samuria pizza cats stronger than old cheese etc
/r/MensRights11/10/13 07:10 PM
2

How do you listen to her as you drive? Itunes? CD?
/r/MensRights10/10/13 06:31 PM
12

This isn't saying she is a trope, it is saying all the tropes she discusses/deconstructs. I don't know if their format is to blame for the confusion.
/r/MensRights10/10/13 08:13 AM
2

Any link to the book? (Not sure why you are downvoted).
/r/MensRights10/10/13 08:11 AM
8

'If we don't have sex I'm breaking up with you.' Is not rape, or really anything anyone else needs to give a shit about though. It's sort of the foundation of relationships, that people are with each other as long as each behaves as expected. You can't get upset with people for leaving (though I think this is actually a point of feminism that it does cast leaving or non participation as an act of violence).
/r/MensRights09/10/13 07:45 PM
13

I seriously commend what you are doing.
/r/MensRights09/10/13 05:42 PM
7

Isn't this a case of over dramatizing normal behavior?
/r/MensRights09/10/13 05:38 PM
1

But most likely she was equally drunk. He couldn't consent because he chose to take away his ability to consent by choosing to drink. He consented to getting so drunk he was other people problem, and so did she.
/r/MensRights09/10/13 05:36 PM
7

This could actually be the closest to an actual patriarchy.
/r/MensRights09/10/13 04:17 PM
2

Essentially if you continually redefine your terms you can say things that are patently wrong and simply bamboozle or threaten creep shaming on anyone who disagrees.
/r/MensRights09/10/13 12:08 PM
2

It's interesting how 'rape culture' has now been retroactive been made nongendered. Before it was of course all about how all men take part in as a group raping women, now it's supposed to be how society sexualizes everyone?
/r/MensRights09/10/13 07:42 AM
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There is an internal contradiction where she says these guys are entitled and privilege and then talks about what low status scum they are. To actually be entitled and privileged they would have to be socially valued, that is, be attractive, that being what attractive means. If people rather than being attracted to them are repulsed, then they cannot be entitled or privileged, both being gifts from society.
/r/MensRights08/10/13 06:20 PM
1

They are all so bad 'disagree' is meaningless. For example "Self-identification as a feminist is not exclusive to one gender." I've never said this inferred other, it's not something often said here, it is clear you are only mentioning it to set up an argument, as such it's clearly manipulative - just say the point you are trying to make. It's not a fact to agree or disagree with, it's not a fact, just you piddling around with word games. "There can be no canonical definition of feminism. So cat…
/r/MensRights07/10/13 08:04 AM
1

Britain is very left.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:55 AM
5

I don't really agree with this. Somebody can be treating a person like on object, or others be hateful toward them, without literally depicting it in their words - obviously this can also be twisted the other way too. If I say 'you black people sure do like kfc', that can be part of a hateful communication or merely part of a mildly insensitive one.
/r/MensRights07/10/13 05:46 AM
1

Thats a tautology, a really obvious one, pretty embarrassing. Also, they are not facts.
/r/MensRights06/10/13 03:37 PM
4

Old and snopes says it's not true.
/r/MensRights05/10/13 06:39 PM
1

I didn't see any molesting.
/r/MensRights05/10/13 07:53 AM
0

Facts in agreement are common ground, not the same taste in music or whatever personality factor you are looking for. There are basically no facts mra and feminists agree on.
/r/MensRights05/10/13 07:42 AM
2

You should have started the thread with this instead of passive aggressively trying to tease out the response you want with bad reverse psychology. The thread you are discussing sounds awful. Yes there are lots of them here. They suck. If there was a better mensrights forum I'd go there, but they are all full of hateful pickup artists. Full of people who discuss divorce and circumcision instead of suicide and homelessness. If you want me to say feminism is fine I won't, but I am happy to say we …
/r/MensRights05/10/13 07:34 AM
2

This is an argument of an argument not observations of reality. God is good etc.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 06:47 PM
1

No true Scotsman. Feminism is either impotent, or it has power. If it has power it has ownership. If it is impotent, it must acknowledge that recent advances have been gifted by men, as such there is no patriarchy etc.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 06:45 PM
2

"support assistance for male victims of rape and an end to male disposability?" That doesn't mean anything. You are arguing personality not power.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 06:41 PM
0

You are arguing personality not power.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 06:40 PM
2

It's their name not yours. If I call myself a republican I can't get offended if I'm tied to George Bush's policies. And you didn't answer anything I said. You are still talking about personality not issues, events or power. I never said you are cobra, I never mentioned your nature at all, because it isn't relevant to anything.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 05:06 PM
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This is idiotic. You are putting the cart before the horse. The issues matter, the nature of the people involved in discussing them is irrelevant. You are using labels to derail the debate. And one of the issues is the actions of feminism (which are recorded facts not debates on opinion). If a person says they are a feminist they are voicing support for the actions of feminists.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 03:57 PM
4

Why is the independent even talking about this. Feminist starts a website, shocker!
/r/MensRights04/10/13 02:11 PM
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What they call extreme is not extreme at all. Male suicide rates are extreme. Lack of women in Parliament is not extreme.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 02:02 PM
2

That's an unintended consequence, people aren't responsible for unintended consequence. Plus in this example it's passive aggressive to not be responsible for one's own awareness of the real world. School is a good thing but I'm responsible for my own education ultimately. (I understand you're just trying to supply all views).
/r/MensRights04/10/13 09:15 AM
1

The process by which he makes decisions seems totally sound. (Not).
/r/MensRights04/10/13 04:54 AM
3

A lot of rationlization here. If we 'let the girls win' it's because we want to have sex with them. This could be a factor of the male desire, or of female allure, but it isn't being mean to women.
/r/MensRights04/10/13 04:51 AM
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It isn't polite to mention but people do go in and out of classifying themselves as gay. A previously straight man might engage in homosexual behavior in their final year. After changing they will say this is always who they have been, but if they change back they will say it again. A man who kills himself might have never had sex or never disclosed a gender identity. A person who is desperate might try turning to god or changing their lifestyle. I say this as a person who attempted suicide and …
/r/MensRights03/10/13 03:54 PM
1

That's slut shaming. The only sexual behavior that is unhealthy is poor protection. Sex is not evil, no matter how much you regret it. Forcing someone to do something against their will is bad, but there is little evidence that happened. Regret doesn't mean force. It's just sex, we don't go mental over regretting masturbation, doubling the amount of people doesn't suddenly make it an episode of Twin Peaks.
/r/MensRights03/10/13 10:57 AM
1

This isn't rape. This is alcohol abuse. Strong adjectives don't change the facts given. This story is an example of the stores we hear from women here which we see for what they are, attention seeking behavior and false accusation. Sex isn't bad, it isn't precious, it is ok to want sex, it is ok to drink but it doesn't transfer responsibility for what happens to others.
/r/MensRights03/10/13 05:43 AM
2

Men are not more successful that is apex fallacy. All her arguments for why men have it easy are high abstractions and stories that are not verifiable. She says catcalling is a big deal, but there is no evidence that it is. The evidence is that men are homeless, men commit suicide, men are more likely to be put in a mental institution. For every 100 girls (boys and men suffer more of every conceivable measurable negative outcome). http://www.postsecondary.org/archives/previous/ForEvery100Girls.p…
/r/MensRights03/10/13 05:20 AM
2

Trivial vivid issues dominate forums because the internet (see your own post), but just because we don't mention suicide, homelessness, drug addiction, mental health, prison, criminal victimization etc everyday doesn't mean they aren't the core of the mensrights movement, or at least the core reasons why there should be a mens rights movement. Saying trivial issues are the most common, is meaningless points scoring, that's just the way the internet works. The developing world needs infrastructur…
/r/MensRights02/10/13 01:57 PM
1

We help those in need, those most in need first. That's it. We don't have to create equality no more than we have to create universal good hair. Government is not magic.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 05:16 PM
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Then she could produce. Or just find a script she likes and back it.
/r/MensRights01/10/13 09:07 AM
2

{Fiamengo also cannily observed that while “children under the age of twelve are far more likely to be killed by their mothers than by anyone else,” there would surely be a massive feminist outcry “if the media focused relentlessly on mother violence against children” and if there were, say, regularly organized marches and a “ribbon campaign” expressing concern about the innocent victims of such murders.}
/r/MensRights01/10/13 05:14 AM
6

Why doesn't she write the movie she wants to see? Or any of the other people complaining about movies not being the right sort of feminist?
/r/MensRights01/10/13 05:11 AM
5

Media types live in their own world different from everyone else's. Where single is better than married. Poor is better than rich. Minority is better than not etc etc. Where young single workaholics are the real victims. I just say this because they always say the same things over and over again. Of course divorce is good for the poor in poor countries. Big business is bad, feel good social fashions are good, etc etc. It's as predictable as the bad guy really being a young rich banker, preferabl…
/r/MensRights30/09/13 07:34 PM
1

Seems like a tautology.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 09:16 AM
1

Why would an article MOTIVATE me to do anything? That implies anyone who does insufficient recycling must be lazy and in need of more motivation, not that they are skeptical. If an article doesn't engage in genuine argument it won't cause any change in behavior.
/r/MensRights30/09/13 09:15 AM
2

Yeah and we really need to separate sympathy with victims from anger at predators. People are often both, bad victims, good victimisers etc.
/r/MensRights28/09/13 12:57 PM
3

All crimes have a high rate of false reporting. Though it is not often discussed police spend a lot of time addressing what they term 'shit on shit' where there is often little outcome just a lot of forms to be filled.
/r/MensRights28/09/13 09:12 AM
2

No one has ever suggested it that I've seen - though some have said that if homosexuality was a choice they'd choose it, but they just can't go against their biology. Tbh most women I've known have been very much against lesbianism for themselves, saying physically they don't like women like that, and they really don't like women enough to live with them or love them either. Most evidence suggests there are more gay men than gay women, though more women are willing to act gay than men due to dif…
/r/MensRights28/09/13 08:53 AM
1

What's your point?
/r/MensRights27/09/13 07:44 PM
1

A tax on men alone. Men's appearance being a matter of public scrutiny. I'm sorry it's not salacious, but it is a specific empirical example of male discrimination by government.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 02:51 PM
6

Yeah rape culture was a term to describe rape in prison and how the guards were guilty by association.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 11:27 AM
4

Before money was used in markets it was used for paying for crimes to avert blood feuds, weddings and other ceremonies. When people got into debt they couldn't pay they would become slaves or their children would. In times of starvation people would submit themselves to slavery to get food and shelter. Patriarchy was a point of pride, a father whose wife and children still belonged to him. It was a phase cultures went through repeatedly in history typically as a backlash to increased debt and sl…
/r/MensRights27/09/13 11:25 AM
3

Basically because of the facts and because feminism is so far from the facts. It's definitely not because I like men, I knee jerk don't like men, and I knee jerk do like women, even women I don't like I treat well and am quick to forgive them, even after repeatedly getting burned (talking about in laws not partners). Further objectively the life choices men make offend me very often, the personalities they choose for themselves are tedious. It's not because I like how the movement is run or the …
/r/MensRights26/09/13 06:18 PM
1

The problem with threads like this is someone might have terrible things done to them, but lack the language and knowledge to challenge their parent's version of events that paint things very differently. And at the same time a very dramatic person might challenge their parents so hard their parent does something dramatic, but is otherwise a good parent. Essentially someone who has been to therapy or is otherwise interested in feelings will come up with much more dramatic examples of borderline …
/r/MensRights25/09/13 12:36 PM
1

Clearly this needs a video of the product in action.
/r/MensRights25/09/13 07:06 AM
1

Why does linking to GQ do anything to help men. It just hijacks this site with some dumb feel good tripe. Superfoods are bullshit. Mods should delete this thread.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 05:01 PM
2

I think it's funny.
/r/MensRights24/09/13 04:54 PM
1

[He said things like "the rate of suicides among men is slightly higher than among women! Therefore feminists are at fault for male suicides!!!" And the crazy thing was there were like 40 comments agreeing with him! ] Slightly higher, hmmm. Isn't it just the occam's razor approach to assume the group that consistently attacks men is at fault when men kill themselves? (Although men have been killing themselves forever, though again we could say people have been seeking special treatment for women…
/r/MensRights21/09/13 08:19 PM
7

Offensive people hate all alternative movements (even if they slur them by calling them the opposite). Cracked insult mensrights just like they insult conspiracy theories (even as they write their own conspiracy theories), or attachment parenting etc. It's the disingenuous version of 'no fat chicks'.
/r/MensRights18/09/13 11:26 AM
1

Helping the victims of suicide, homelessness and crime.
/r/MensRights18/09/13 05:07 AM
2

Compliments from strangers is rape.
/r/MensRights18/09/13 05:05 AM
1

How do you make someone not love them self? I can't make my son put on a pair of socks? I can put his socks on or ask him to do it, but I can't control his volition to make him do it. Stopping him from doing something (whining) is even more impossible.
/r/MensRights18/09/13 05:03 AM
1

So many non sequiturs.
/r/MensRights16/09/13 06:10 PM
3

Your argument is one of A or B, but there is another option, option C - that is both sides can be wrong. It can be bad to issue death threats And bad to cry crocodile tears. It can be wrong to have too much competitiveness and wrong to stamp it out too hard.
/r/MensRights16/09/13 06:06 PM
3

I think far left are typically children of well off parents. Dreadlocks on a white person means they're too financially secure to worry about employment. But that's just my experience.
/r/MensRights16/09/13 02:48 PM
3

Justice doesn't really mean punishing high flyers, just punishing those who break the law (ie those whose greed goes too far). Both these pictures are examples of addressing things that don't need addressing.
/r/MensRights16/09/13 10:20 AM
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We can't get annoyed at feminists for controlling the debate and shouting down facts, and then demand the right to be competitive, dominating, non-inclusive and offensive. Playing the victim is bad because it hijacks real victims needs. But death threats are bad. There is nothing innate or natural about them. Yes clearly when playing call of duty hearing them doesn't mean you actually need to lock your doors, and I doubt Julie Burchill is genuinely worried in any sense - but we can't just as a s…
/r/MensRights16/09/13 05:50 AM
3

It's annoying so I want to downvote you. (I haven't downvoted you). Also if they are trying to say 'look we can treat men like sex objects, I'm pretty sure plenty of Madonna etc videos have already done that.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 09:57 AM
5

Also the tune sounds like 'the wheels on the bus'.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 09:55 AM
1

Link doesn't work :(
/r/MensRights15/09/13 03:02 AM
5

He's concerned more with attacking women than with pointing out male suffering. He seems like a useful idiot for those who don't like mensrights.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 03:00 AM
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She swaps around 'abusive fathers who have court order against them seeing their kids' and 'fathers who don't see their kids' as if they are synonymous, which is so willfully dishonest as to be disqualifying. The later group far outnumber the first, we can't make rules based on a bad minority (we do but it's wrong). That's before we even approach the idea that sometimes people say untrue things during divorce.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 06:10 PM
1

The shocking thing here is how stupid the woman is. She could have got sex and an iphone by sitting in a bar and waiting... 10minutes.
/r/MensRights07/09/13 06:40 AM
1

In regard to that quote; everyone who's self employed. (Unless society at large is responsible for every individuals fulfillment, which is putting the carriage before the horse).
/r/MensRights05/09/13 10:06 AM
2

Whether homeless (men) behave well is irrelevant to weather they are victims or suffering. Too often because they are 'bad' or 'lazy' they are erroneously considered to no longer be victims, when in fact the two qualifiers are separate.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 06:03 AM
5

Feeling bad enough to try, and feeling bad enough to actually go through with it despite all the reflexes to stop, are different. (Not trying to insult you, I've also tried, and looking back I think I just didn't feel as bad as those who go through with it).
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:42 PM
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There is no way of measuring attempted suicide. Attention seeking behavior can not be judged as serious or not by it's own measure. Suicide is an empirical measure that can't be polluted by other narratives without admitting corruption. (I'm agreeing with the op).
/r/MensRights30/08/13 06:23 AM
3

Why not? I don't see how this affects anyone else.
/r/MensRights24/08/13 07:05 PM
3

'Circumcision = hygiene' as an argument is essentially 'creep shaming'. The reality is children are dirty, it's not a real issue. (Not to mention no cleaning under the foreskin isN'T required until teens - and even if someone neglects it, it's very rarely anything other than distasteful, I knew someone who didn't until their 20's, they didn't suffer any ill effect.)
/r/MensRights24/08/13 08:46 AM
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Sorry to break it to you but as an adult with children, when I take them to the swings, it's damn annoying when teens or adults are their playing on them, and it's inappropriate. Smoking there is bad too. Why don't you just sit on a park bench?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 12:32 AM
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Nothing is more boring than reading a narcissist talk about themself.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 05:45 PM
0

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gay+men+have+a+higher+suicide+rate&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Violence.html?id=8g10QgAACAAJ&redir_esc=y
/r/MensRights22/07/13 03:44 PM
3

Gay men have a higher suicide rate, and higher rates for many other sufferings - I don't think the numbers show gay men to be happier.
/r/MensRights21/07/13 05:26 PM
0

The internet makes everything stupid, more so as membership increases.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 07:52 PM
2

There is little reason to believe root causes can be figured out from symptoms.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 03:56 PM
1

A lot of depression or suicide forums will make everyone on them feel a lot worse. It is important to focus on discrete empirical data when you are depressed, and it is important to focus on the bad things other people do to you, not just blame yourself for falling victim to them. But yes this forum is getting pretty stupid.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 06:21 AM
2

I think if a man leans in to kiss another man, and they are total strangers and it's totally out of the blue, the kissee can do anything up to violence, but not violence. He can shout or scream for help etc, but violence to me is something else that can't really be started except in response to violence or threats of violence, and too me kissing is not a threat of violence. If crotch grabbing was involved, then the receptor could consider it a violent threat and react himself as such, seing as t…
/r/MensRights06/06/13 06:17 AM
1

I think these things are all trivial and that this sub is (or should be) concerned with real issues.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 06:54 PM
2

This makes me so pissed (because it's true).
/r/MensRights03/06/13 06:18 PM
5

What does fault have to do with anything, unless you are admitting that feminism has nothing to do with helping women and is merely about attacking men?
/r/MensRights02/06/13 05:43 PM
2

I agree, the modding here is stupid. If we admit men suffer, we become part of the problem by not addressing it here - by not providing even the tiniest sliver of safety.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 02:15 PM
2

Fucking someone to be special says the other person is more special than you, moreso the more you do it. Edward Cullen is the female fantasy, and he is aggressively in the other direction than Alpha. Just because a rock star gets a lot of pussy doesn't mean acting like a rockstar will. (Edit, I should have said 'a' not 'the')
/r/MensRights31/05/13 04:52 PM
2

I don't know if it's true or false that boys die at a greater rate due to some natural biological mechanism, but the only argument I've ever seen put forward to show it's natural, is that they do die at a greater rate, and no unnatural reason for it has been found - which isn't especially convincing. What if boys are more susceptible to disease because they are put under greater stress (due to circumcision, or another reason).
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:10 PM
4

This is retarded, both people in the video are retarded. I didn't see the woman attack him just be mouthy. If she shoved him or something, he should have shoved her back. All I really see watching this is a person hitting a shorter person with little reason.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 12:02 PM
6

Worth noting that white slavery was not uncommon, with drunk men being 'press ganged' into the navy.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 05:33 PM
1

That's the most eye-opening fact/secret I've heard in a long while actually.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 05:31 PM
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My wife goes on mumsnet and such a lot, her observation is the husbands who are the worst fathers are the most 'whiteknighting', it's a sort of backhanded compliment to women; 'you are so gentle and good, of course only you can look after the children'.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 06:11 PM
1

Anybody who works is appreciated, because most people don't like working. The idea that a hard working woman will be resented is just silly.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:53 PM
2

People 'rush to judgement' because it makes their life more interesting, just as the over eat, drink alcohol etc etc. By and large stupid requires more effort than rational empirical observation, but it is what we do to overcompensate. Epistemology is part of linguistics.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:49 PM
3

Because he's a black man who's done well, every other black man who hasn't is a jerk. Seems fair. (It doesn't seem fair).
/r/MensRights20/05/13 10:28 AM
10

TBH I take violent revenge recounts on reddits with a big plate of salt. I'm pretty sure the majority of people on reddit are afraid of violence, I hate to stereotype but still.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 10:26 AM
3

I think we can even say if his girlfriend had hit her ex with a baseball bat nobody would think the ex would be ok hitting her with a bat later.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 10:24 AM
0

Lets be honest here. This is a troll account trying to get this forum to say something quote-able. But instead showing the forum has the exact opposite opinion.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 10:24 AM
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Can you count? Treatment is not free. Taking care of the egg means so many things, and you have chosen the most perverse way of interpreting it. It could mean having more teachers in schools. It could mean funding research into treatment for obesity etc.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 10:22 AM
1

I've known lots of mentally ill people ask for help. Mentally ill people as a group are more likely to be looking for help and victimized, than to be victimizing others. The idea of the childhood trauma turning someone into a violent offender is a Hollywood fiction. Violent offenders typically have a childhood full of their aggression. It is victims who have a history of abuse. What you are doing is taking sympathy from those that deserve it and giving it to their bullies.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 10:19 AM
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I'm sorry but you can't say 30% of the people on that show were raped as children. I'm sorry you can't simply use the word rape to make an argument seem important when it isn't. Bad things happening to you is not statistically related to you going on to do bad things. It is the reverse, bad things happening to you is statistically related to you going on to be a victim again. In contrast people who do bad things, are known to say stuff about their past that isn't true. You bringing up their need…
/r/MensRights19/05/13 10:16 AM
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I've never heard one of these guys on the show say they tried to get help. From the list of people who I think society should spend money helping, they are not near the top.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 06:19 AM
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He doesn't say what you say he says. He doesn't accuse all women, he says some women do it maliciously and willfully. He says it is abusive and shouldn't be allowed. His comment on laws is a throwaway comment, it's idiotic to judge people for speculation and hypothetical, it's basically anti-intellectual to do so. While laws might be so invasive as to be worse than what they attempt to fix there is nothing wrong with wishing for laws for what unfortunately can't be controlled. It would be nice i…
/r/MensRights17/05/13 06:15 PM
1

Even if you don't like medication, putting yourself in a position of dependence (such as being in an institution), should be considered as an option - I only say this because I get the impression you are suffering partly by your own insistence to be independent and even support others. (Sorry that didn't come out as polite as I was trying).
/r/MensRights17/05/13 04:34 AM
1

How can you read a post about a guy talking about suicide and say he needs to watch his language, and say this thread shouldn't be about helping him but about not saying anything that might upset some imaginary woman somewhere?
/r/MensRights16/05/13 06:37 PM
1

At this point you might need medication and institutionalization. I hope that doesn't make you feel bad - because I think it would be the quickest route to not feeling bad. I think you need to be more 'self indulgent' and stop trying to work (for others). Good luck.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 06:34 PM
4

Women whose husbands and sons are suffering are in a worse situation than those whose others are not. There is evidence men are suffering. There is not nearly as much evidence women are suffering. The question of whether we care about womens' rights is like asking a homeless charity how much they care about the suffering of people who only have small homes.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 05:52 PM
1

I don't know much about this so nobody jump on me or stuff, but as far as I see, 6 weeks is not very long, so not murder. It is assault on her to give her drugs under false pretenses. To clarify I think he has made a lot of mistakes and I don't really care to defend people from their own mistakes. But I don't also like to see punishment go beyond justice and become a crime in itself, and I don't like to see an individual case being leveraged against the larger population.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 05:48 PM
2

Addressing your behavior does not make me part of your behavior.
/r/MensRights13/05/13 06:22 AM
2

This is one of those really redundant posts that make discussing anything on the internet like wading through stinging nettles (or some super dense jungle foliage that you have to cut with a fucking choppy thing - you know what I mean).
/r/MensRights12/05/13 07:35 PM
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Plenty of people here have absent fathers, that is only more argument for male sexual rights. You seem to be constantly readjusting your people composites such that your argument stops making sense.
/r/MensRights12/05/13 01:34 AM
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I imagine any feminist groups might have the same stance (not a judgement for or against anything). Basically I do agree that the male gender role is artificial. I personally wouldn't want to join a feminist group though as they can be pretty demeaning. You might find agreement with cross dressing forums.
/r/MensRights10/05/13 07:28 AM
1

Engaging the conversation means it's legitimate how? (It only shows I was foolish enough to take the bait). Entitlement isn't a real issue. Female negatives are not the issue, male suffering is the issue.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 01:53 PM
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In some communities they don't. (I forget now, I think it is Amish or Mormons who have an incredibly low murder rate). The women in one community can have a higher murder rate than the men in another. It seems clear to me it isn't about gender but culture - it just happens to be that our culture tells men to be badass.
/r/MensRights08/05/13 10:14 PM
1

I would have stepped in, but I don't know if that would be a good idea or not.
/r/MensRights08/05/13 07:12 PM
1

The bulk of the research is that home births are safe and help with breast feeding etc. My wife has had two children (with me), the first in hospital, the second at home. The second was by far the better, it was only by going through the first that we learned all the pitfalls and were able to avoid them the second time. Further these is a good example of something that has nothing to do with male suffering and doesn't belong here.
/r/MensRights08/05/13 07:11 PM
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This is the one plus of England having such a weak legal system, even if some nutbars decide at some point I'm being too nice/nasty to my kids - and then even if I was convicted on some bullshit charge, sentences here are very short.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 06:10 PM
1

No I'm just teasing ;), I'm sure some tumblr types will come up with a 'mensrightsneckbeard' or something meme/
/r/MensRights06/05/13 06:05 PM
1

You can't understand a lack of understanding, you just have to take solace in the fact that most people do manage to ignore their babble and try to not let it affect you.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 12:46 PM
4

It's not a meme until it has a funny picture.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 12:44 PM
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I don't think she is attacking these women or shaming them for being sexy etc, I just think she is saying it is hypocritical that they are there and her diagram was censored.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 04:15 PM
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I think the woman in the link's page should have been left up. I don't know that it was taken down out of misogyny, but I don't really have a problem with her complaining, and her guess that it is is as likely as any other.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 12:10 PM
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There is nothing wrong with being anti-feminist. Being anti-women is not bad either, harassing people is of course wrong, and harassment tends to be anti-something, but still being anti-women is not in itself wrong, people can be pro or anti anything they choose. It is possible for a fact to be greatly repeated and still not be true or not have any evidence to back it up at all, especially with regards to history and politics. 'Feminism as a good thing' is not something that I have seen any evid…
/r/MensRights04/05/13 05:05 PM
1

Because it has to do with history and gender roles, something people here theorize about.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 07:50 AM
0

The 'no participation' trick seems neat. I'm still confused as to what asmr is.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 07:33 AM
8

This thread again.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 02:04 PM
1

Also a guy with his penis in a woman's mouth by surprise has to be cautious she doesn't get angry at him.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 08:38 PM
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There are a lot of threads on this forum that seem iffy to me, but it is hard to say if it is mission trolls, or just people looking for easy karma or anger. But yeah I think mensrights is something some people deeply hate, even more than any other 'offensive' group.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 12:16 PM
9

Is there a TLDR?
/r/MensRights01/05/13 06:21 AM
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I'm too dim, I don't get it.
/r/MensRights01/05/13 06:21 AM
5

So people deserve equal treatment, unless they are annoying, in which case we hate them and hope they suffer.
/r/MensRights27/04/13 06:30 AM
5

It must be super frustrating to get fucked with and then not be able to do anything about it. At the same time the story is so in your face abusive and unfair it's funny.
/r/MensRights26/04/13 03:38 PM
0

According to the article according to who? Does he say he said that? Does she say? Is it recorded? Is it literal? Is it role play? Was she attracted to his 'bad boy' persona? Do you want to know what I say to people as I have sex with them - because taken literally most of it would be an admittance of rape. Is this the legal system you want? Where an action is either legal or not based on what you say or whether you experience an involuntary excitement? You do understand men don't have perfect c…
/r/MensRights24/04/13 08:55 PM
0

By this definition of rape I am a one man raping spree. The withdrawal method requires a lot more control in the moment than you appreciate before hand - in my experience, yet it seems a reasonable idea before hand.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 05:31 PM
1

A good example of people making problems to fish for support.
/r/MensRights21/04/13 08:17 AM
0

Smoking is cool... For teenagers ;)
/r/MensRights20/04/13 05:35 PM
0

Women say they face unrealistic expectations on being thin etc, men face these exact same expectations and are even further away from them. We are expected to have young boyish features, when we have adult male features.
/r/MensRights19/04/13 06:44 AM
2

I hadn't thought of that (that the anti-feminism backlash is still just about women's personal inconvenience). Astute. Is something on fire?
/r/MensRights19/04/13 06:38 AM
2

'People should do this, people should do that' etc, is not really part of mens rights. Muslim doesn't automatically equal Burqa etc.
/r/MensRights15/04/13 07:03 AM
0

Richer people are often better educated, and more able to choose not to work. Male and female.
/r/MensRights12/04/13 08:16 PM
3

Why would people's opinions be useful? Facts are facts, opinions are opinions. Why would we assume the guardian didn't cherry pick the opinions they post? Why would a handful of examples be meaningful. If someone knows what's up, then why are they in need of assistance? An inability to care for oneself means a lack of understanding of your environment.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 08:58 AM
1

There is nothing wrong with failure, people don't need to be protected from it. People only really need to be protected from suffering.
/r/MensRights02/04/13 08:47 PM
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I'm not saying this is real or not, but even if it was real, it wouldn't be an example of anything other than failure, not hate, not suffering, just women not being a big deal in media (not that it is true).
/r/MensRights02/04/13 07:22 AM
0

To be honest a lot of actors say really offensive stupid things. Mark Wahlberg for example.
/r/MensRights02/04/13 07:18 AM
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It's getting more stupid not less with the influx of new posters looking to help/ get karma.
/r/MensRights02/04/13 07:13 AM
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Distant relative had a child that was diagnosed with ADHD. They totally ignored the diagnosis and treated him as normal with some extra attention - he turned out totally normal. I think a lot of people 'concern troll' in real life, they will try to demonize your children under the guise of helping. They will make money diagnosing something and treating something with very fuzzy definitions of problem and success at the same time of course.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 06:09 PM
2

Isn't this just a cunning way for you to insult 'neckbeards' and fedora wearers. Dating issues are not really a main part of the mensrightsmovement.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 06:52 AM
1

You retard. I'm the one saying pua is retarded, and that anyone saying they are alpha isn't. You are just accusing me of being what I am accusing the other person of being. You have no idea of who I am or even what you are accusing me of being. I've been insulted on the internet but it at least requires someone to address what I'm saying and not what they fantasize about what I'm saying.
/r/MensRights31/03/13 05:32 PM
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I'm not saying depression comes from unhappiness. I'm saying that the only difference between unhappiness and depression is one is a clinical term that gives a pretense of understanding - but in fact depression is no better a word to describe the situation than using the word 'unhappiness' - if you are offended by that it is because you feel the term unhappiness is not strong enough, yes I understand unhappiness is something that comes and goes and depression is persistent - but that doesn't cha…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 06:51 PM
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[ "My brother was depressed, he was on medication, and he was drinking a lot. He had been threatening suicide, so it wasn't a surprise when it happened." ] This is a very circular way of describing the situation. Depression is just another word for unhappiness - which is a redundant observation in a suicide. Medication and threatening suicide, are just part of the depression so again a redundant observation. Women bully men. They do it as kids, they do it as adults. That we don't know why this o…
/r/MensRights26/03/13 02:34 PM
1

This thread. Again.
/r/MensRights25/03/13 07:02 AM
14

"It was a privilege."
/r/MensRights25/03/13 07:01 AM
4

When I feel attacked, I think it's important to do something back, even if it won't work well, just so they know I'm not going to do nothing. Someone might say 'violence never solves anything', but defense is not attack, and standing up for yourself, even if it's later, is part of self defense.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 07:47 PM
0

It could just be one person on a mission to spam and spam and spam, making up new accounts all the time.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 06:55 PM
8

How representative is this poll?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 06:52 PM
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Even if he did want to sleep with a random chick he didn't choose himself, I don't think he'd want to if he was black out drunk - he'd get little out of it. Good actions on your part.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 06:50 PM
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I don't agree with your basic concept of people's relationship to power. People gain power randomnly, when they have it they assume they are amazing and everyone else is lazy, when they don't they find fault with themself or others. People have perversions, these do not empower them, it is just the case that even powerful people have them, they are distinctive and we tend to identify people by them, but they are drawbacks only. A lust for power for it's own sake is a perversion. Men and women ar…
/r/MensRights22/03/13 06:43 PM
2

Big post
/r/MensRights22/03/13 05:34 AM
2

What does orthogonal mean? How likely is it someone reading it is going to know what it means? How is libertarianism self contradictory?
/r/MensRights22/03/13 05:33 AM
0

That's not relevant though is it?
/r/MensRights21/03/13 12:20 PM
0

When you simplify things, and lump large groups of people together - you end up with a meaningless comment.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 07:18 AM
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Mensrightslinks is a reddit, has good sources, should be in the links here
/r/MensRights20/03/13 12:50 PM
1

The idea that men build a space and then women invade it - is not the same as saying men take a space and then won't let women in as I think you are representing it. You are implying someone is supporting keeping women out of science in the comments - but in fact it is just that if there is demand for a woman friendly science space, people are free to build it, but the current space was built by people but not for people, as a whole, for groups or specific individuals. Men are not keeping women …
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:16 PM
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Women do read on the toilet though. What a stupid fucking video.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:11 PM
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I would be 'crazy' if I got annoyed at her being rude. The opinion that she had done something rude, rather than I somehow had been wrong, would be an unpopular one. I edited the op to explain the metaphor.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:03 PM
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That's only true if sexism in videogames is admitted to be a minor issue, then me bringing up a bigger issue is irrelevant. But if sexism in videogames is used as an argument for great female suffering then you can't answer that without context - the context is that suffering is measured by larger issues than videogame sexism. Tu quoque doesn't work, as that implies that the pot and the kettle are of approaching equal blackness - but we are comparing sexism in videogames to, for example, the mal…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:00 PM
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It shouldn't even be an intelligible argument, as in it is so stupid it shouldn't' be possible to read. The real question is why the argument sways the mind initially at all.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 05:59 PM
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It's apostasy. But it is gaining traction.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 05:54 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8361863.stm This is an article on it. But it seems very storm in a teacup, plus who knows how good the study was. Maybe you can provide a better argument or link.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 05:51 PM
1

I am a nerd. I don't know how I can prove that but I am. I bought Adeptus Titanicus as a teen, and Space Marine and all the expansions. I can still remember all the rules for most of these games off by heart. I've completed R-type. I played the BBC when it was the most powerful computer around. But I can't follow what you are going on about - and I think this shows how marginal this concern about sexism in videogames is. Rather than refute it (which just legitimizes the original argument) why no…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 05:41 PM
2

Some sort of link?
/r/MensRights19/03/13 05:29 PM
1

Apart from James Bond all the movies I mentioned also pass the Bechdel test... Both tests seem sort of irrelevant. A better test would be the 'not fucking stupid test' where a movie has to not be fucking stupid. Which only documentaries, painfully depressing foreign movies and period movies pass.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:28 AM
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Beaches. The Stepmom. My sisters keeper. James Bond (lots of them). Etc.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:10 AM
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I think you are extrapolating too much from brief messages. If people aren't aware of the perfect terminology to use, that doesn't make them hateful, there is no reason why mental health should be a part of everyone's everyday lexicon.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:52 AM
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I know plenty of men who passive aggressively avoid everything to do with children, so that any children that result are someone else's problem. Though of course I know many people who do the same with money or house maintenance etc. Of course there are alternative ways to interpret and interact with this though.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:48 AM
-1

Women's lives are better than 100 years ago. Thank feminism. Not the fact that everyone's lives got better with more rights and legal protections with increased wealth and infrastructure. Edit: am I downvoted because someone disagrees or because they didn't understand I am not actually thanking feminism.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:43 AM
0

What does 'having it all' even mean then? What does 'feminist' even mean then? Words words words without anything of any meaning.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:40 AM
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Ehh not really. Most crimes go unreported. Many violent crimes are de-escalated by the victim. Many crimes are pre-emptively avoided by the victim. Crime doesn't strike like lightning, it is a constant process of testing and avoiding. Ask a single person what crime they have experienced and you will get quiet a long list - and they will be minimizing their own experience leaving out all the crimes they don't think count or that they were nearly a victim of but evaded - and many crimes don't coun…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:36 AM
0

All humor is sort of offensive- which is what makes it funny. I don't like being hit in the balls, but I can laugh at it in a movie. I don't feel futurama has gone too far by any stretch of the imagination.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:26 AM
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The distinction between the two is a trap of language. If you put narrative before numbers anything can be argued as anything. Do women benefit or suffer when police take their side? They benefit, therefore this isn't anti-female.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:21 AM
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Why are victims of banking errors financially culpable? Why do call them stupid in newspapers rather than blame the bank?
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:14 AM
5

This thread again. More than once a week.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:11 AM
0

Twilight is a book written by a woman for women, so is sixty shades of gray. Are we sure this advert is actually written by women? (I'm watching without sound if that makes a difference).
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:10 AM
2

There was a story on mumsnet a while back about a very young child touching a dog inappropriately. Some went nuts and said the child must have been abused, others more sanely said kids are gross and do gross things because they really don't give a shit. People who don't have kids just don't know how gross kids are.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 05:38 PM
1

The thing that disgust me most is how she garbles English with buzzword vomit.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 05:34 PM
1

Are srs furries?
/r/MensRights18/03/13 05:31 PM
-1

There is so much hysteria over everything, I can't imagine addressing any of it.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 05:24 PM
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The feminists who troll here aren't the same feminists who comment on normal feminist forums. I'm not defending feminism just picking your battles.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 05:23 PM
1

One answer is that rape is more predatory than assault, which can be just anger, or even sort of defensiveness. But for this reason I think willful bullying should be judged far more seriously than it is. It is worth noting that stalking is a very scary crime, that does often end in murder, but isn't very harshly punished. In some ways the legal system is just random.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 05:21 PM
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Important info. But it is worth noting this doesn't show if this is innate or cultural.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 05:17 PM
0

Given that in wartime the violence is targeted at men in the vast majority, it seems redundant to add that men are victims of sexual violence. I mean the original consideration that women suffer in war because of the rise of sexual violence is essentially saying one female rape is equal to x more male deaths/ wounding. To clarify I think the article is good. I just want more.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:46 AM
1

The best solution to poverty is business and infrastructure - something feminists are against. They did their best to attack the family, and those that they were supposed to be helping, those they targeted, have suffered the most for their intervention. I'm not a traditionalist by any means. But neither do I believe you can just run as fast as you can in the opposite direction. Most people I've known with real problems have been male. Most people who like to moan for attention I've known have be…
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:31 AM
1

England has fathers4Justice, they were in the news long before this forum was any size at all. I imagine the situation is similar in America.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:26 AM
3

The original post has been changed a lot.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:23 AM
0

I assumed 'Kramer' was Jewish. Some people are suffering, some are not. Indian people in England for example are not suffering at a rate greater than white people, so ethnic affirmation for them seems less like rescue and more like jingoism. In contrast to the situation for black people. (Now everyone get offended because I didn't use what you feel is perfect language.)
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:21 AM
1

As far as I know their are more masochists than sadists. Also this seems like a troll thread. I've never known a sadist, I'm not a sadist, I've known masochists.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:13 AM
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WHAT A TERRIBLE POST? No idea why you are downvoted, you must have pissed off the wrong internet tough guy/gal.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 06:54 PM
3

I think it is important to understand you are making two arguments. First that the given feminist reason is wrong. Second that you have another reason why men are chosen. In this case I think it is better to focus on the first and not to worry about the latter. We often mistakenly think we are being helpful by giving a reason why something happens, but if it only a tentative suggestion it is better not to offer it, as the internet is such that people will use flaws in the tentative suggestion (e…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 11:46 AM
1

It's not a question that is part of this movement except to say men are not inherently more dangerous, violent or safe from harm. Absolute magnitude isn't a very important question, smart people can be homeless, physical people can be stabbed etc, nice people can be lash out etc.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 11:40 AM
2

In what situation do women protect men? Financially? In the vast majority of cases no. Emotionally? Not doing a very good job of it. Physically? Again statistically no. From children? Yes but this is as much a bad thing as a good thing, and not that common a request.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 11:36 AM
3

It's a high abstraction, there is no benefit in defining it or using it.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 06:53 PM
0

Hypoagency also causes lots of suffering. It is very easy to accuse men of everything, as they are the ones who actually carry out societies collective will - but inaction is also bad. Also note how her claim is in no way verifiable, every verifiable claim has men suffering more.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 07:14 AM
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This thread again. Every week.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 06:27 AM
1

"However, given the nature of movements to become ideologies, I think it's imperative that we start approaching MRM issues with a more impartial and scientific method. " I agree totally, but my solution you will probably dislike. We must always focus on statistics, such as the male suicide rate, or the rate of homelessness. The worst part of the feminist argument that I encounter is their arguments are often abstractions/ narratives on experiences, essentially complaints that can't be measured.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 06:25 AM
1

Yes. Breastfeeding in public is not related to stripping or otherwise being indecent - and who gives a fuck about indecency anyway? To me verbally harassing a stranger is a much bigger deal than someone exposing their nipple to feed a baby. I don't think we can say a restaurant or whatever is for people without kids only, it simply doesn't make much sense as most people will have kids in their life. If women aren't special delicate snowflakes that need protecting, then there is no big deal about…
/r/MensRights16/03/13 06:12 AM
3

Movies (and politics) are fun but reality is more complicated. Real evidence and real science are the only way to improve people's lives.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 05:47 AM
-3

Appropriating male space much.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 05:45 AM
1

I haven't seen plain women hating. A victim complex is common amongst people who are unhappy or suffering. Men can be victims too, and they don't always behave well. In regard to stupid posts being common and upvoted, that is the internet, it's just how forums work, especially ones with little moderation.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 07:19 PM
2

http://thoughtsfromparis.com/stories/i-wore-tight-jeans/
/r/MensRights14/03/13 04:45 PM
7

Motorcycle deaths isn't an issue unless men are forced to drive them. Prison represents four issues, 1 men who don't deserve to be their being there, such as marijuana offenses, 2 even guilty men deserve protection, they aren't all murderers, 3 the longer sentences for men than women, 4 even bad people would rather be bad legally, so when people end up in prison we should assume they are emotionally damaged, even if they are the sort of bastards who'd die before admitting it, or our too manipula…
/r/MensRights14/03/13 04:39 PM
0

Under-senstive. There is no reason why we should tolerate breaking the law.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 07:24 AM
0

Comparing suffering is pertinent. The phrase oppression olympics is just meaningless and insulting. It drives me nuts every time I hear it. We compare suffering all the time in politics, in public spending, in hospital, in schools, in relationships, in charity, in tv etc etc. Actual suicide indicates a large amount of attempted suicide that wasn't recorded - there is no real reason why an attempted suicide would be recorded. The high rate of female attempted suicide is a different issue entirely…
/r/MensRights14/03/13 07:19 AM
1

The only solution is for women to start making movies. There isn't actually anything stopping them.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 07:13 AM
2

Do a talk/paper on female suicide. Then at the end mention that men commit suicide at 3 to 4 times the rate.
/r/MensRights14/03/13 07:10 AM
0

For all we know not crying might be worse than not voting. (Suicide rate).
/r/MensRights14/03/13 07:08 AM
-1

Yes but how are these discrimination? (Seriously I get asked that a lot here when I bring up the shit sandwich that is a man's life).
/r/MensRights14/03/13 07:02 AM
8

"Twitter founder Jack Dorsey became a billionaire before 40, and worked 80-hour weeks to get there." Who cares about these fucking people. Most men work jobs they hate and that are physically draining. Jobs they don't want to do, and definitely don't want to spend more hours doing. They would love to stay at home and let their partner be the earner.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 06:16 PM
7

The big problem here is you are assuming this person is a nice person when they are giving you lots of reason not to see them as nice. Just because someone tries not to be seen as not nice, doesn't mean they are nice. You could just ask them if they know men are more likely to be homeless, addicted, put in a mental health institution, cummit suicide, be in prison, a victim of violent crime etc etc.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 06:10 PM
4

I feel deep fear over lots of things, including calling my bank. Diarrhea inducing fear. I know this is irrational. Nobody owes me anything because I feel fear, even if I blame them for it. The same goes for women who are statistically safer than men.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 12:28 PM
0

And wealth narrows the difference.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 12:19 PM
13

I think it is interesting that she was attractive and intelligent. With men we assume smart men are bad with women, we also assume attractive men exploit women. But we don't assume this with women, even though it is just as likely. We bend over backwards to be nice to women, and bend over backwards to be nasty to men. We don't make this distinction with dogs, as many people like chihuahua's and Labradors or pit-bulls even - so I don't think it is about any physical intimidation or babying reflex…
/r/MensRights13/03/13 12:19 PM
0

Everyone has frustrations. We blame whoever we can get away with blaming.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 07:33 AM
0

Women feel more guilt... Men commit suicide at 3 to 4 times (6 in Brazil) the rate of women... These statements can't both be true. (Not to mention the increased drinking and homelessness etc).
/r/MensRights13/03/13 07:29 AM
1

Another reminder that rationalization is not a real argument.
/r/MensRights13/03/13 07:26 AM
6

So a man who isn't terrified of gay men, is some sort of aberration then? Not the exact opposite?
/r/MensRights12/03/13 07:17 PM
4

Cracked is for articles about ants etc, not life - where they just write like 13 year olds.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 05:27 PM
1

Facts are not as readily available as bullshit, which is why most of us thought women had it harder than men, until we found out certain facts that weren't common knowledge. So my question, what other facts do you think people don't know but should?
/r/MensRights12/03/13 05:22 PM
1

Those at the top are not better or more aggressive, in the vast majority they are just lucky.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 01:48 PM
3

Link?
/r/MensRights12/03/13 07:48 AM
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There is nothing wrong with entitlement. Lots of things wrong with this article.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:58 AM
3

The article didn't make any argument for why women shouldn't be in the workplace.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:57 AM
0

Violence is bad, but we are not animals, we are very complicated, and in fact most peoples depression and pain comes from verbal or pre-emptive interactions. To clarify I have experienced violence. But my mothers repeated suicide threats and false accusations were more effecting.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:55 AM
6

Attacking someone physically is illegal, but in fact being sexually unfaithful isn't - although of course if you are married to a woman it can lead to life changing financial penalty. People are very weird about sex.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:48 AM
2

To anyone thinking of answering, this could be an attempt at doxxing.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:45 AM
3

You have managed to notice that you have been lied to about today. You have also been lied to about history. It is even easier to lie about history because our connection to it is so second-hand.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:42 AM
7

It's good that she is recognizing her monopoly on charity is an exploitation, it's just a pity that she is gloating about it.
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:35 AM
0

Some things are zero sum, some things are not. You have called something that isn't a zero sum equation a zero sum equation and used that to imply all zero sum equations are bad. There is no 'accusation' here, if you are getting offended that is your problem. There are some very important zero sum equations in the mensrights movement. Such as massive amounts of spending and attention being given to marginal or imaginary womens issues and far less been given to dire and empirical mens issues. Or …
/r/MensRights12/03/13 03:19 AM
12

It is quite typical for mothers to be asked if the husband is beating them, as part of totally routine medical checks, I mean if you are having a baby, the question will be asked. Nobody cares about offending the father, or the risk of false positives. Yet a blood test to prove paternity is the end of the world.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 12:47 PM
2

I think you are building a straw man of the zero sum argument. Whereby you attack neo-traditionalism, and call that the zero sum argument.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 12:36 PM
4

Stupidity itself is not a gender issue, nor is risky behavior you choose to do and aren't in any way forced to do. If people want to drink and go fishing, I don't think we need a government campaign to educate them, it's their life and there isn't anything wrong with choosing to take risks. If a percentage of these deaths are suicides categorized as death to save the families feelings, or show men engaging in risky behavior out of depression, that is pertinent. (If).
/r/MensRights11/03/13 12:31 PM
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Facts are facts, irrespective to manners or lack of them, your demands are made for the purpose of making demands, not for any urge to participate or learn on your part.
/r/MensRights11/03/13 12:25 PM
0

It looks like a pretty dumb magazine, but a good article anyway.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 07:16 PM
1

That's an arbitrary distinction. Further it would only work if it was an African woman pulling the cart.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 02:17 PM
6

Her complaints don't seem to be gender based, just those of the child carer vs the person who gets to leave the house. Both sides are allowed to complain, even if one does legitimately have it harder than the other. Kids are super annoying, picking up someone else's mess is super annoying. Marriage is nearly always a case of two people wondering why they have to do all the work. Her distinction between men and women I think is just a lazy shorthand for the distinction between child carer and car…
/r/MensRights10/03/13 08:44 AM
2

Stupid people, or people saying stupid things is the source of most problems. But step one is correcting bad ideas, such as feminism.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 08:18 AM
2

There already is one. Men and women both having problems is irrelevant to the existence of a forum for mens problems.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 08:15 AM
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The vast majority of men in these countries don't go to university but are rather stuck in life shortening labor. The suicide rate in the developed world is still massively skewed toward men killing themselves, as are most other empirical measures of suffering. If you have chosen two specific countries where women are more constrained, well done, but poverty, lack of education, mental health, homelessness etc hold people back all over the world, the fix for these problems is infrastructure busin…
/r/MensRights09/03/13 07:36 PM
-1

Trolling doesn't mean having an opinion you dislike - it does mean shutting down debate with hyperbole etc (as you are doing). You might think your false equivalences make you right, but in fact they just sabotage your own thought process. Evidence such as history, and the present day. Just because something said is not what you expected does not make it hate - I never said women didn't have bodies, that is an asinine derailment. What people can do, and what they will do are entirely different. …
/r/MensRights09/03/13 07:31 PM
0

This highlights another problem, the idea that every man who isn't gay or a feminist, is therefor 100% not gay or feminist etc, that I can have no understanding of anything outside of the nutshell I've been put in, and that my experience is in no way at all one of an outsider. That all men are identical redshirts. (I'm not saying you are saying this, it just comes to mind).
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:39 PM
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That's not what the evidence suggests.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:35 PM
1

This.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:34 PM
1

They do have this right though. At least in England.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 03:44 PM
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You can't discuss the theory because you don't understand the theory. To paraphrase. The perfect crime.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 03:43 PM
1

Stupidity with a theasurus and probably a degree in untestable high abstraction. Verbiage, verbiage verbiage etc.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 03:40 PM
-3

Actors, like athletes are better enjoyed for the professional abilities, not their opinions otherwise which are often sort of dim. I really used to like Matt Hughes for example until I saw him on Tuf.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 03:37 PM
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I would do some amazing shit, if it weren't for the imaginary patriarchy goblins stopping me from doing it. And everyone who has ever done anything special, never faced any opposition. /s Seriously though nobody is stopping anyone from studying or writing or anything else.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 03:36 PM
2

I think she had the rare opportunity to do it, not a rare cruelty. IMO
/r/MensRights09/03/13 03:33 PM
9

Fuck you guys, don't you know women have to put up with seeing Princess Zelda in computer games made for male consumption? Get some perspective /s.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:40 AM
7

I wish I live in a world where people were smart enough to understand that actions dictate who a person is, and as such someone who hacks at her boyfriend for hours can't be called 'compassionate'. (To clarify I'm not saying you or anyone here is saying this)
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:38 AM
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Men without women can't procreate and their biological urges for female company would be frustrated - but that's it. Essentially men need women's bodies only. In comparison women are far more reliant on men who created the modern world. Edit, seriously this is too shocking for this reddit now?
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:33 AM
1

Lack of perspective is very dangerous. The whole concept of damsels in videogames being an issue shouts down the real issues of homelessness etc.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:27 AM
1

Male friends tended to dislike me when I got dates, they assumed I was somehow using these women or less deserving than them. I think dating is fun, but at the same time rules out relationships which are more important. So dating is a bit like drinking, fun and enviable but incompatible with more serious pursuits.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:22 AM
2

Google 'for every 100 girls'. Men suffer more in every aspect that is empirically measurable.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:17 AM
1

I understood it to mean a conversation or debate, where one person makes every effort to cheat and exclude the other (as such it is a useful term, one every forum desperately needs to understand, this one so often). Unfortunately because of the inserted gender agenda the term is rendered useless. I suggest it be amended to radsplaining. Short for radfeminist obfuscation posing as explanation. But at least this way it can be used in either direction (radical mra etc).
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:14 AM
11

Tiny imagined women's problem > massive empirical male problems.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:07 AM
5

I know this is stating the obvious but. England had a female prime minister. It was entirely business as usual, not special female empathy or new methodology. Although at least she wasn't voted in on merit rather than tokenism.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 04:06 AM
1

I don't disagree, mothers aren't interesting either. Single people are interesting, or at least people whose partner does the great majority of the child care. Children are not cool, caring for them isn't either. Unfaithful people are slightly more cool. Even people who work with children are less cool. Batman wasn't married. Neither was James Bond. House was more boring with Cutty than without etc. Homer leaves the house, Marge stays with the kids, Homer is more cool and less boring than Marge.
/r/MensRights08/03/13 07:58 PM
1

This is a question of perspective. It is a tiny issue below the threshold of government intervention. People are always free to change their name, so called 'social pressures' amount to 'tut tut' something every fat person puts up with every hour of the day.
/r/MensRights08/03/13 05:34 PM
4

People who grow up with money never really think about money and don't get so excited about it (even if they spend plenty of it).
/r/MensRights08/03/13 12:49 PM
1

Not sure why this is downvote. Maybe it doesn't appeal to the petty envies of the less genuine mra.
/r/MensRights08/03/13 08:28 AM
4

--Really? Where? Please point out the posts in which feminist ideas are rammed down your throat. +This forum is constantly trolled. Fun of you to pretend otherwise. There are several reddits specifically with the purpose of trolling us. They call themselves feminist, likely you will argue it is flippant of me to call them feminist. --Never was, and I doubt it ever will be. Male victims come here, but this is not specifically a space for male victims. And no one has ever been a victim of an idea,…
/r/MensRights07/03/13 08:10 PM
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This is dishonest. Feminist ideas aren't 'presented' here, they are rammed down our throats non stop. Plus not wanting feminist ideas here is not silencing them, they have the rest of reddit and the rest of the internet to be voiced, this is specifically a place to counter the inundation of feminism, a place where the rare non feminist idea can be voiced. Presenting a feminist idea here is simply rudely failing to answer the response that has already been given. There is nothing wrong with attac…
/r/MensRights07/03/13 06:23 PM
2

I had one girl who was totally into me, we were both undressed, and every time things went beyond kissing she would start giggling like she was being tickled and say that tickles. So I'd stop, but then she was still kissing and cuddling. I didn't have a clue what she wanted, looking back she probably wanted me to go get a condom or say I loved her, but honestly that seems manipulative. It was a bit like she wasn't really horny just using her body to get something from me. She also made me pick h…
/r/MensRights07/03/13 08:58 AM
6

He's just trying to make money off vulnerable men.
/r/MensRights07/03/13 08:48 AM
3

Objectification as a term isn't entirely bullshit, it is just used as such.
/r/MensRights07/03/13 05:00 AM
6

Also note how rare instances of violence to women are newsworthy and common instances of violence to men are just never mentioned creating the impression violence to women is more common. (Not that you don't know this, just stating the obvious).
/r/MensRights07/03/13 04:55 AM
1

"Show me an example of a man being insulted.. for how many women..." You could have shown him an example. The longer you are talking to him, the more the overwhelming weight of facts will eventually change his mind. It helps to treat ignorant people like children, don't let them turn a debate into a fight, don't expect them to use adult logic. Me explaining how it could be done better is too hypothetical to provide anything persuasive. I can't actually come up with any way to prove my point.
/r/MensRights07/03/13 04:39 AM
1

Yes I already said you were right in the conclusion you presented in the link. I'm saying your attitude, not your methodology left him no space to change his mind. When you are right, unfortunately you often have to bend over backwards and make concessions to stupid people so they will change their mind - if you are confrontational, they will just try to win rather than try to learn. It's like telling a fat person to eat less - it just doesn't work, your only option is to help them help them sel…
/r/MensRights06/03/13 09:42 PM
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Inclusion good. Exclusion bad.
/r/MensRights06/03/13 06:12 PM
1

All this says is that women have no agency - which is true and is a privilege and a predation. (Not every single women just very many). Lack of female agency is not proof of men being evil, on the contrary it is proof men are kind enough to carry them anyway, like an evil oppressive patriarchal donkey carrying a an oppressed victim on his back, the victim whipping the donkey to go faster, rape her less and build her more abortion clinics.
/r/MensRights06/03/13 02:13 PM
1

I haven't noticed bullies having a high opinion of themself, feigned or otherwise. They just tend to be nasty and good at finding people who can't cope with that.
/r/MensRights06/03/13 09:53 AM
0

When dealing with repellent people, there is no winning, just the knowledge that their behavior will fuck them up more, that you can leave, but they can't get away from themself.
/r/MensRights06/03/13 07:43 AM
4

This seems like a story that never happened.
/r/MensRights06/03/13 07:40 AM
1

At the same time defense is not attack, the law recognizes this too.
/r/MensRights05/03/13 07:49 PM
7

I'm sorry I just skimmed, I'm sure their argument was vapid but you demanding they produce proof puts argument before observation. You should have an open mind and be constructive toward their observations, even if their conclusion is ultimately not the right one the goal is more information, best case scenario being for both sides, not merely demanding a premature level of rigor and dismissing the argument without addressing it via this means. It just didn't look like you were discussing the fa…
/r/MensRights05/03/13 06:42 PM
10

The boy must have been incredibly strong that they couldn't control him without using the tazer repeatedly (/s).
/r/MensRights05/03/13 04:28 PM
-1

I think some people are mentioning things here that aren't so much feminism as just socialist.
/r/MensRights05/03/13 07:59 AM
2

Yeah actually an incredibly well behaved child (sort of unrealistically).
/r/MensRights05/03/13 07:39 AM
9

The rejection of a macho bullying narrative of power. I just don't really associate it with the majority of either gender. (But perhaps the least minority of men). And I don't think that feminism is not in itself bullying and macho.
/r/MensRights05/03/13 12:18 AM
1

http://imgur.com/guG7t2w
/r/MensRights04/03/13 12:53 PM
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If you scroll down a bit you will find this exact thread already. As to comparing male and female suffering, most female suffering is over-sympathetic drama, men outnumber women amongst the really suffering even in the third world, even in most the Islamic countries, also in history. http://imgur.com/guG7t2w
/r/MensRights04/03/13 12:43 PM
8

The intended victim is male, the dysfunctional aggressor is male, the rescuer was male. Women eat popcorn and pronounce them all guilty.
/r/MensRights03/03/13 09:33 PM
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And just to clarify (not to say you are saying this), even if a man is horny and gets an erection, if he says no, it is rape. The body can say yes when the mind says no, if I'm hungry that doesn't give anyone the right to shove cake in my mouth, If an erection signals consent, then we should give people painkillers if they cry or flinch, cake if they are salivating, a punch if they frown etc.
/r/MensRights03/03/13 09:18 PM
1

There is no evidence that the rule is the same for both genders or applied the same - there is lots of evidence to the contrary. The situation is boys suffering at schools and bizarre rules being written to facilitate this. Please don't pretend to be merely passively stupid when it is quiet clear you are being actively stupid and obstructive.
/r/MensRights03/03/13 09:01 PM
3

Please, your thread is a perfect example of over exaggeration. Good job reading though.
/r/MensRights03/03/13 07:47 PM
3

Are you dim? Any issue of children being unnecessarily punished falls harsher on boys than on girls as boys are getting punished far more often. You are substituting obstructive thinking for an actual argument, and you are substituting micro arguments for an understanding of the actual situation.
/r/MensRights03/03/13 07:41 PM
3

Why didn't you post this in the original thread? Sorry but far more boys are out of the school system than girls. Every discrete empiricaly measurable bad event happens to boys more than girls. Why don't you look up 'for every 100 girls'. Also I went to the beach and found a black grain of sand, this is why all beaches are black.
/r/MensRights03/03/13 07:13 PM
0

Any time anyone thinks privilege isn't related to suffering, they are basically saying it is rich people problems.
/r/MensRights03/03/13 10:13 AM
4

Oh shut up.
/r/MensRights03/03/13 10:10 AM
1

You are dodging my argument (but very subtly done). Equality is about suffering. Tell me a period where women killed themselves more, were more homeless, incarcerated, alcoholic etc. Or argue why equality is not about suffering. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/19kd9c/im_20_and_was_just_diagnosed_with_a_terminal/
/r/MensRights03/03/13 07:32 AM
6

You are substituting an attack for an argument.
/r/MensRights02/03/13 10:21 PM
18

It really doesn't seem like he had stolen her wallet. They are English and they sound pretty scummy, they were laughing at her attacking him.
/r/MensRights02/03/13 08:20 PM
9

Sex starved people are suffering and need sympathy. Same with the overweight, stuttering and ugly. If anyone thinks using these words is an argument against us, they are only displaying their own lack of humanity. Men suffer and deserve empathy, their suffering does not in any way dismiss them. People who lack empathy for others only argue for the importance of not interacting with them. (To put it another way, don't feed the trolls). To clarify I am fit, not sex starved etc.
/r/MensRights02/03/13 10:38 AM
0

If a person believe women are better than men, that's fine I guess, I don't really know if it right or wrong. If a person believes women suffer more than men, that just isn't suggested by the evidence - which strongly suggests the opposite, but I guess believe something that is wrong could be mere stupidity rather than malicious. But feminism itself does actual bad things, and supporting it makes a person a little bad in itself. They can however be otherwise good people. My experience is limited…
/r/MensRights02/03/13 10:30 AM
1

Why did you start another thread for this, we just had one? The actual responses you need are in that one and aren't going to get repeated.
/r/MensRights02/03/13 06:49 AM
1

I don't get this trolling.
/r/MensRights01/03/13 06:33 PM
4

Sometimes what people type has logic flaws so deep as to leave no logic left to argue with, simple word games that are nothing more than the contradictory message of 'go away'. These people often in fact think they are being very intelligent. There is no point debating this.
/r/MensRights01/03/13 08:55 AM
3

And I know a Lebanese guy who went through far more shit than his sister while living in Lebanon and Qatar. I saw men suffering when I went there. Do you count the dead, and other invisible men? No you look at your tiny little lense and see what you pointed it at, and that's all. I haven't seen a single country where women commit suicide at the same rate as men. You have to be really really suffering to commit suicide, you can't do it on a whim, no amount of planning will get it done if you stil…
/r/MensRights28/02/13 08:22 PM
3

The op is ignoring your information, because he doesn't actually give a fuck.
/r/MensRights28/02/13 08:18 PM
1

I'm sure we have them too. But this is an actual incident. What is constructive is collecting evidence, even single cases, not merely voicing the opinions we already have (perhaps that we shouldn't).
/r/MensRights28/02/13 06:59 PM
-1

The rationalization is irrelevant and merely a cover to the very predictable reasons people do things. If it favors women, it favors women. I'm not in favor of mocking anyone - but this case really helps show male sexuality is not so different to female sexuality. (I'll be honest I only skimmed the article, I thought the title pretty much summed up everything relevant). It is important to show that men wanting sex is not abnormal, and that women are the same in their desires just with much great…
/r/MensRights28/02/13 06:46 PM
2

We would castrate young boys so they would keep their nice singing voice. You are cherry picking your issues, which isn't an argument, just an insult. Equality is meaningless when you pretend it means being the same, men and women weren't the same in history, life revolved around physical labor. Equality is only meaningful as a question of who suffered more. Men suffered more, they died younger, they killed themselves more, more were homeless etc. These are the best measures of suffering. Stupid…
/r/MensRights28/02/13 05:22 PM
5

Notice how much the teacher talks in the recording as if she is the victim, not the giant adult towering over a child. This is very much an issue with feminism.
/r/MensRights28/02/13 05:13 PM
-1

This has nothing to do with our worldview, and everything to do with what the media and zeitgeist presents. You can't pretend society views women as just as humanly fallible as men considering the disparity in sentencing (etc etc various other discrimination we bring up here).
/r/MensRights28/02/13 05:00 PM
3

I've known some people with childhood trauma, they tend to be shy and deferential, you could even say cowardly, not aggressive. Aggression simply isn't an expected reaction to suffering.
/r/MensRights28/02/13 11:17 AM
2

Some people just have a hedgehog reaction to people. They dress it up as something else because no one wants to admit they are an asshole.
/r/MensRights28/02/13 11:15 AM
0

Or just that men and women are both bad at times? That it isn't men that are solely creepy?
/r/MensRights28/02/13 06:24 AM
0

It's a strawman of every man. Also keys aren't going to do shit.
/r/MensRights28/02/13 05:40 AM
9

Part of it is, even when you are somewhere with your child the women there treat you like you are a horny pig when you try to communicate, leaving you isolated and eventually you just give up.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 04:55 PM
2

No. Kids fighting with near equals is not bullying, it is merely a way to hide the real victims of bullying and create false victimhood to excuse bad behavior. Bullying is one or more kid tormenting a kid who hasn't the means to fight back. It is common enough without confusing it with this bullshit version of bullying.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 04:35 PM
2

Misogyny is not the word you are looking for. The movement is not becoming misogynist, it's become very stupid and very easy, very full of meaningless reflexive anger, but just that.
/r/MensRights27/02/13 04:33 PM
6

"Rather than begin a routine, 29-year-old Zbudowskyj simply stood rooted to the spot. " I mean I feel sorry for the guy, but I don't see any problem with the audience being disappointed and booing.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 05:22 PM
1

"Even though I’m the one who purchases the cat food, our cats are loyal to my daughter rather than to me because she’s the one who directly feeds them. Even though White middle class males are creating much of the wealth that Obama redistributes to women through his cornucopia of programs, they’re loyal to him because he’s the face of the system protecting and providing for them." I liked this.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 03:50 PM
-7

Star Trek is stupid. Especially voyager. I'm a voyager fan, I've seen every episode at least twice, but come on.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 08:51 AM
0

It's quiet sinister the efforts put into hiding the real statistics from people.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 08:46 AM
2

Dying 7 years earlier isn't irrelevant. There is no reason why you should be stuck answering the irrelevant specifics of the question which was suggested merely to obscure the real situation.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 08:41 AM
5

I think if you asked him, he'd say he isn't part of any movement and say that movements are for whiners etc.
/r/MensRights26/02/13 08:29 AM
5

People 'white knight' because it lets them be an asshole and pretend they are not being an asshole. The more we analyze the positives and negatives of the behavior the more we move away from the very obvious glaring fact that negative behavior is negative and only children can do something bad without meaning it.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 05:56 AM
1

Oh look actual empirical evidence of male suffering in history. That thing feminist assure us exists but we've never seen to prove women suffered more in history.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 05:41 AM
-1

Because this forum is getting more stupid as more people join.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 05:31 AM
-1

Deconstructing asshole behavior tends to just cloud the issue (that the person is an asshole).
/r/MensRights25/02/13 05:29 AM
0

Sigh it's not 'victim olympics' its procedural justice / distributive justice / triage. The main negative of feminism is that it sympathizes with those suffering the least and ignores those suffering the most. If you use the term 'victim Olympics' you are a bad person who doesn't understand the basic concept of victims rights.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 05:27 AM
11

Who said they are? Nice misrepresentation attempt though, better luck next time ;)
/r/MensRights24/02/13 08:38 AM
0

This is her doing though. She's complaining both ways and persecuting both ways.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 07:41 AM
1

Strawmen etc.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 07:37 AM
1

No you don't. It is very rare that anyone says 'men are tough, women are soft' here. But it is very common that feminists misrepresent the movement as being that. So I guess that is what you are doing. Also: This thread again.
/r/MensRights23/02/13 07:33 AM
0

No matter how rudely put this subject, racial issues in America can't merely be ignored for that reason on it's own. Crime, criminalization and criminality are the central issues of mensrights
/r/MensRights22/02/13 08:15 PM
1

When commenting on people, there is a risk on merely commenting on them commenting on people (commenting) etc etc. This isn't post-modern so much as it is just crappy time wasting. This article says nothing. Ufc is a sport.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 08:09 PM
3

This thread again.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 10:43 AM
2

I wouldn't frame it so defensively, as it implies guilt and attack. I would simply frame male suffering with the importance it deserves. 'Suicide is societies guilt', 'Homelessness is societies guilt', etc.
/r/MensRights22/02/13 06:48 AM
1

I agree with you, I don't know why you're being downvoted, except to say the forum is getting pretty dumb.
/r/MensRights21/02/13 09:05 AM
2

I haven't read this book. But I would say I have feelings, sometimes inconveniently. I would get upset if my family suffered. I think there are lots of men who have emotions, but at the same time I think by and large they don't count, that's to say they are in sub groups who don't get measured alongside normal society, you don't see them very much.
/r/MensRights21/02/13 09:02 AM
1

Mothers, in history, have done very little to make life better.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 07:43 AM
1

I used to draw all sorts of pentagrams, upside down crosses, goats heads etc etc. Yet I have never gone on to kill anyone or commit any real crime. How confusing.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 07:40 AM
1

'Considered', is irrelevant, and can't be measured.
/r/MensRights18/02/13 05:42 PM
-6

Are you fucking kidding me. This woman faces too much male attention...
/r/MensRights16/02/13 09:21 PM
3

I'm in a strange position, I'm not angry for the injustice I face now (which is essentially overcome) but for that which I did face - but of course that's in the past so what purpose does anger serve anymore. The stories here tend to negative, which is appropriate. Some of the answers are supportive but still annoying (a bit).
/r/MensRights16/02/13 05:24 PM
3

This thread again. Read the faq. It is poor manners to post a thread that has already been posted in the last few days, you should feel bad.
/r/MensRights16/02/13 12:45 PM
4

Isn't this sarcasm?
/r/MensRights16/02/13 09:00 AM
1

I think this misses the problem that even long time members here have many anti-male views. Such as women suffering more in the third world, or women suffering more in history. They are essentially saying that feminism is good but has gone a little too far recently.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:30 PM
1

This isn't really supported by numbers, just emotions. The third world is not horrible for women more so than for men, neither is the west in history.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:26 PM
1

I notice you've been downvoted, which probably means you're right ;)
/r/MensRights13/02/13 06:21 PM
2

Is it actually William Shatner?
/r/MensRights13/02/13 07:24 AM
4

I think they do it out of fear of being themselves the scapegoat. It's clearly not rewarding for them, yet they are compelled to continue, I imagine they have come to accept their own wrong experience as normal and are so unable to understand where their compulsion comes from.
/r/MensRights12/02/13 08:36 PM
31

Trolling like this is always so bizarrely subtle, so nearly meaningless, I always wonder why they bother. Honestly I get the impression nearly a third of threads started here aren't genuine.
/r/MensRights12/02/13 08:24 PM
-4

Stop posting trivial crap.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 12:31 PM
3

Yes.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 12:30 PM
2

The forum is really being dragged down by trivial posts. It's up to the mods to do something.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 08:27 AM
0

This annoys the hell out of me, every woman I've dated has needed lots of help, most often, it's seemed to me, spuriously.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 08:24 AM
2

The boyfriend has a full face tattoo too. Nobody is crying for his dramatic choice. The women choice to date him seeing his face tattoo, she would seem to be into face tattoos.
/r/MensRights11/02/13 08:17 AM
2

"Whether better choices could have avoided their fate is irrelevant, whether weakness has a part to play is irrelevant." Your lack of control with money/life, is no argument for your understanding of money/life - it is the opposite. The fact that you now rationalize to give yourself a feeling of control (like a dog) is really of no interest to anyone but yourself. But in honor of you next time I see a homeless person I'll tell them to get a fucking job and spit in their face. You were temporaril…
/r/MensRights10/02/13 04:44 PM
-3

You might as well ask, 'what is suffering'. If you think suffering is bad and people don't want to suffer, then people in suffering have been put there. Whether better choices could have avoided their fate is irrelevant, whether weakness has a part to play is irrelevant. Or human males are the only animal with higher brain functions without the instinct for self preservation. Men are homeless because they have been put there by emotional or other abuse. Any other explanation is an attempt to min…
/r/MensRights10/02/13 12:29 PM
4

It's wrong. And they do wrong. And - This thread again.
/r/MensRights10/02/13 06:39 AM
1

Wrestling / boxing / mma would do the trick I'm sure.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 03:46 PM
0

This thread again.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:21 PM
1

This is a very extreme scenario. You could even say it's far fetched.
/r/MensRights09/02/13 12:20 PM
2

What a massive power trip.
/r/MensRights08/02/13 05:58 PM
-7

Work doesn't exist. You do what you have to for money, that's it. Unless we are admitting now that marriage is a form of prostitution, which I am all in favor of.
/r/MensRights08/02/13 07:51 AM
27

The tone is entirely appropriate, it's a response to the original misandry. Valid points were made. Hardship is important, but so is simply laying out the reality of the situation that is being obscured by misandry. Men are not 'useless' they are very useful.
/r/MensRights07/02/13 05:53 PM
6

What is this bizarro world buzzword bullshit?
/r/MensRights07/02/13 05:48 PM
3

I think it is a massive privilege to complain about something that is merely insufficiently good or being insufficiently appreciated. Rather than real problems which involve an inability to protect or sustain oneself or being actively attacked in a meaningful way. If a complaint is about how others perceive you, then it probably isn't a real complaint.
/r/MensRights07/02/13 12:40 PM
3

It's all emperor's clothes. There is no good research on it.
/r/MensRights07/02/13 06:50 AM
4

Most evils are inflicted on men first. War for example, and the bullying that leads to suicide, homelessness etc, and then the bullying that ignores these.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 08:32 PM
8

Sympathy or gloating. If you are over it good, but no sympathy then - you don't need it. If you are suffering, good to admit it, but lets not pretend suffering makes you a better person. It's also possible that you don't understand your experience. It seems he thinks being nice is somehow separate from respecting others.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 03:15 PM
3

I like how every bad thing that happened to her is evidence somehow, even though she isn't going for an insanity plea. Her parent's didn't like her art work etc.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 05:30 AM
3

I think they're accusing him of watching youtube videos of pop music with girls in bikinis. Not even porn, just Madonna or something.
/r/MensRights06/02/13 05:25 AM
1

I only know one person who has used psychiatric drugs, and it made him do pretty dramatic things.
/r/MensRights05/02/13 08:15 AM
3

Men want v much like they want money, prestige, food etc. It is an entirely normal desire. The pretense that you don't want it (or p) is more off baseline (for either gender).
/r/MensRights04/02/13 08:32 PM
1

This. Thread. Again. Sigh.
/r/MensRights04/02/13 07:08 AM
4

Like drugs, this is something terrible that all kids are doing, like drugs it is also possible that that isn't the case. Like drugs this is something that when we do it, however much or little we do it is perfectly fine, but however much or little others do it is too much or too little. Of course if you don't agree with the fear campaign you are literally a pervert putting drugs and genitals in children mouths. If you want innocent children, send them to a small school. But there is hardly any i…
/r/MensRights02/02/13 06:16 PM
0

I think the first thing to do is to not use overly vague broad negatives, but to be specific as to what are your shortcomings. You were in the military, so lazy and disorganized are not accurate, since it is a job and it requires keeping your own bed etc tidy. If you find yourself sometimes working and sometimes not, what is it that makes the difference?
/r/MensRights02/02/13 09:29 AM
1

A lot don't ring true - not because they are far fetched, but because they are too generic. If someone is posting their actual experience that's good of course, I'd hope they'd really look at it, rather than just look for sympathy, but maybe I'm a bastard who knows.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 10:46 PM
13

I doubt it. Gay men have higher rates of suicide, drug use etc. I'm not trying to be offensive to anyone, it's just what the numbers suggest.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 10:56 AM
2

Hehehehe, bum beard clams.
/r/MensRights30/01/13 05:41 PM
0

Stupid fantasy is stupid.
/r/MensRights30/01/13 12:57 PM
2

Just break the law, don't give her any money. If you don't see a job in the near future what does it matter. Note the Irish legal system, I'm assuming is like the English one, very lax, not like the more serious American legal system. Look I think you should do everything you can to be constructive, but if you won't, then it's really not that complicated.
/r/MensRights30/01/13 12:53 PM
2

Women aren't raping when they do this because the victim knows they are fine because the aggressor isn't in a position of authority. I'm not saying I agree, I think it's an entirely abstract circular argument with no connection to reality just other arguments. I mean the vagina monologues has an older woman getting it on with a girl below consent, no one batted an eyelid. Similarly no one (outside here) considers the teen boys who have sex with their teachers to have been taken advantage of etc.
/r/MensRights29/01/13 06:33 PM
2

I'm sure the whole feminist argument about this sort of thing revolves around privilege and power.
/r/MensRights29/01/13 05:53 PM
-1

I agree in a vague metaphorical way with most of this stuff, but I think it is a mistake to take it literally. Because facts can be read many ways, it is best to just stick to the facts, there is no need to make a story up to explain them, or at least to rely on only one explanation.
/r/MensRights29/01/13 07:25 AM
0

So ban him already.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 08:53 PM
1

Misunderstanding on the internet, I'm shocked.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 12:36 PM
1

But it's interesting that what we take for an eternal social constant, (women wearing jewellery men not) isn't.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 06:57 AM
3

I'd also add that feminism is much less revolutionary than mensrights. We already care about female suffering and want to alleviate it, we already distrust men, feminism just takes it further.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 06:43 AM
2

That's cheating though, he can have legitimate points even if his ultimate conclusions are wrong. His inclusion or not is essentially the difference between this mensrights forum answering difficult questions, and it being basically just an introduction to mensrights for new members who have to go somewhere else to see the real red pill insights. No I don't support traditionalism etc. I just think if it is excluded from the debate the debate is unable to reach real insight.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 06:41 AM
2

That confuses ability and altruism.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 06:35 AM
3

Some things happen (such as faulty victim support idea's being adopted) because many people hate the 'arrogance' of those who point out the error in them happening. As in this specific article.
/r/MensRights27/01/13 09:25 PM
3

1 Month old account. All comments are stupid. Seems like a troll. Who upvoted him?
/r/MensRights27/01/13 02:46 PM
1

Feminism did originally oppose war, and government, hierarchy etc. But it has shed each of these objections as they each became feminist. Hippy 70's feminism was much less hateful than current feminism as stupider and stupider people have hopped on the bandwagon (something all movements have to watch out for).
/r/MensRights27/01/13 07:05 AM
1

Is possible to be compassionate and see that at the same time the op is a troll making something up, and substituting hate for sadness. I mean I would normally think lefofhnahe was wrong to post that, but in this case not. Just look at op's submission history. What really annoys me is how lazy this trolling is. Edit, now I look at leftofnhahe's history and see he is a troll as well, herp derp.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 07:17 PM
1

Not me who posted. I think it's on Dalrock.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 02:04 PM
2

It's not really true that fat guys can't get women, they just can only get fat women. Fat women can get guys, but it's less likely that the man will be happy to support her not working. Men do face negative results in dating, but we can sympathize with them without fruitlessly blaming women.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 02:01 PM
3

By and large, the victims of war are not gender neutral. Men are specifically targeted and die at a greater rate than women.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 06:52 AM
5

Shit testing.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 06:48 AM
5

If you have a baby, don't throw away the baby stuff afterward, because you'll probably have another.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 06:46 AM
3

This thread again.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 08:48 PM
2

I don't think anyone has any good theories (here or elsewhere), as no one has any good idea what would constitute proof, it's all just stories to explain some numbers, that could just as easily be read in the exact opposite manner.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 06:36 PM
4

There is an actual literal war against men. Men are dying in Iraq etc. Violence against women is far more metaphorical and rare than violence against men.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 06:24 PM
0

Plenty of members here are cross dressers. Are you really shocked there are rude people on the internet? Also- this thread again.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 06:22 PM
2

"In an unscientific survey including more than 1,500 respondents, Today.com reported that 55per cent agreed that weight differences caused problems in their relationship." Nothing to see here.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 03:16 PM
5

Vague generalities.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:54 AM
2

This thread again. Internet forums tend toward the trashy. It's a question of moderation.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:51 AM
3

Very flimsy, a lack of real concrete examples, and lots of empty labels.
/r/MensRights24/01/13 08:18 PM
0

It's a significant difference between England and America.
/r/MensRights24/01/13 03:53 PM
2

Sad story. I know the chances of most suicide (and various other negative outcomes) raises for sons of divorce - but does anyone know how much exactly?
/r/MensRights24/01/13 03:51 PM
1

"Poverty and mental health issues affect both genders. The variable factor is culture and society; how we expect men to act, and how they feel they can behave. Suicide prevention work must, therefore, address this." Not true. This sort of hand waving is politely blaming the victim. Men suffer because they are attacked, women suffer less because they are attacked less.
/r/MensRights24/01/13 07:49 AM
0

Yes but you can mma club.
/r/MensRights24/01/13 07:39 AM
1

An actual fight club would be less contentious.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 09:51 PM
2

High abstraction, not even amounting to an argument.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 09:44 PM
5

That's the sort of question you could ask of anyone about anything. People cycle through feelings on every subject. Feelings are tentative speculation, largely meaningless attempts to understand things we don't understand. The best way to answer is look at numbers; most women marry/ date, most women work with men, most women will get in a taxi driven by a man etc. It seems if women don't trust men, they don't distrust them so much as to actually limit their own freedom more than men. Anecdotally…
/r/MensRights23/01/13 09:40 PM
2

Everyone needs love. Even wishy washy unremarkable types who might possibly be uncool. ;)
/r/MensRights23/01/13 09:33 PM
3

No but actually secretly yes.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 07:23 PM
3

You seem to be saying male suffering does not compare to female suffering. It does, now and then. You are also saying that everyone here agrees with you, I don't think a majority do. Mens rights is not just about family court, it is about suicide, homelessness, addiction, incarceration, etc etc. This 'women had it bad in the past' crap that gets repeated has nothing but truisms to go on. Men have always been the one's homeless, the ones killing themselves, and all sympathy has always gone to wom…
/r/MensRights23/01/13 07:11 PM
1

Tautology
/r/MensRights23/01/13 07:07 PM
3

Fedora means you are a reddit intellectual, ie someone not so smart who thinks they are some sort of above the rabble elite - according to those who hate reddit, ie those who use it the most; srs, circlebroke etc. I have to admit I quite wish I could wear a hat, it would go well with the goatee I have grown recently (I considered just a moustache but it seemed to formal).
/r/MensRights23/01/13 07:02 PM
2

I don't mean to sound rude, but oppression leading to better results is a contradiction, much like a stabbing leading to improved health. Maybe there is some aspect to the male experience that you are not aware of that leads to these mens poor results, perhaps it occurs outside the community.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 04:16 PM
26

How will the school feel about a club that opposes circumcision? If that comes up and that is your stance. I never saw anything in my school that made me think other kids were ready for this sort of subject. It is very challenging, very uncool, and has no career benefits.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 03:10 PM
3

In the movie Gran Torino the young men had less success than the young women (the movie was partly about a Hmong Chinese community in America). Is this inaccurate?
/r/MensRights23/01/13 03:02 PM
1

Some people would rather win and be wrong, than be right and lose.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 07:57 AM
5

What do you think the situation is like for Hmong men in China or elsewhere? In Dubai for example amongst the locals it is better to be a boy than a girl, but if they move to America of course the situation gets more complicated. Sorry to ask questions given that you've already given a lot of info.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 07:07 AM
3

You should repost this in mensrightsmeta. The issue is one of moderation.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 07:00 AM
1

I'm glad unlike others you've given a real answer. Putting aside whether that is a good strategy or not, the insults in this article aren't subtle or intended for female audience - it seems less about insulting women as a strategy and more about just not liking women (while yet wanting to get them to do stuff).
/r/MensRights23/01/13 06:53 AM
0

I said every link I've clicked on. Further if you do find an exception, that only proves I misspoke, not that this article isn't insulting or that pua are not insulting in general. You seem to be confusing calling me a doo-doo head with making an actual point. If you refuse to understand, every communication you ever take part in can be construed as the other party misspeaking and by your logic therefor being wrong. Since you have failed to address what I say each time you answer, it seems sort …
/r/MensRights22/01/13 08:24 PM
-1

Every link posted here, you find one that isn't. (When I said 'every article I've clicked on', I assumed it was clear enough I only click on them here when I mistake them for a different subject). I don't understand how you can ask for examples when I already stated which articles? It would be more honest of you to actually try to explain how this article in question, the submission, is not insulting. If the next answer is just another re-iteration of bizarre expectations, I can't be bothered to…
/r/MensRights22/01/13 07:50 PM
-1

The article is all about insulting women, it is always insulting women. Every article on game I've ever clicked on has been the same. I've never had any problem getting sex etc.
/r/MensRights22/01/13 05:03 PM
3

This is just his report.
/r/MensRights22/01/13 01:45 PM
0

The thing is this movie was written by men, in this example it is men hurting men, for whatever reason. What makes this uneven is that there is no mirror of this, no situation where women pander and sacrifice for men, especially for men they don't know. It is also worth noting that this is a minor issue.
/r/MensRights22/01/13 01:41 PM
1

Breast feeding good. (Not that not is bad) Breast feeding in public fine (if you tell my wife to stop I'll be pissed). Man who is older having opinion fine. Man saying opinions of men are dismissed because of age and gender probably true. Is his comment offensive, yes. Is breastfeeding innately feminist, no. Pc brigade bad. Breastfeeding in public an issue of pc or simple convenience versus bullying, the latter. Is he fudging and entwining categories to misrepresent the issue, yes. Is it a good …
/r/MensRights22/01/13 07:38 AM
3

This thread again.
/r/MensRights22/01/13 07:30 AM
0

Even if dating is a game, why does game revolve around insulting the other party (who might not want to play the game).
/r/MensRights22/01/13 07:29 AM
2

This is evidence of nothing but drama.
/r/MensRights22/01/13 07:23 AM
2

It's a good rule for the internet in general. People tend to abbreviate their communications.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 09:11 PM
-1

Even if it was a majority of women, that wouldn't prove that the minority that don't aren't a significant percentage either. That's to say we can make further subdivisions in people's behavior after woman/man. Further feeling entitled to something is perfectly ok if you don't actually trespass on another person. (I know I'm arguing the toss here though).
/r/MensRights21/01/13 09:09 PM
3

You can't complain about his lack of feeling and attack him at the same time. Try and imagine what BD Wong would do.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 09:06 PM
10

In England calling the police is a waste of time for most crimes. Maybe not in America but still this particular crime maybe.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 04:40 PM
0

Don't bother he's a srs troll going by his posting history.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 09:17 AM
-1

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! I gave info, links have been given that support it, no it's not perfect, have a cookie. It still, if you can try to stick to the point, is a good argument that being pro or anti abortion is hardly a gendered position, (the difference between the genders on this position is very small). Please respond to the argument.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 09:08 AM
-1

I read a link on this reddit. Here is a link I googled http://spectator.org/blog/2012/08/22/do-men-and-women-view-abortion [ men (53%) were more likely than women (46%) to call themselves “pro-life.” ]
/r/MensRights21/01/13 07:13 AM
1

Does not compute.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 07:10 AM
2

lol. Lets not.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 07:06 AM
-1

No. But I can look it up for you if you want.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 07:36 PM
1

Nearly half of women are anti-abortion, so it can hardly be said to be a misogynist position. To clarify I'm more pro than anti (and a male).
/r/MensRights20/01/13 04:19 PM
-1

I don't think expectations really existing in any meaningful way, they have no real affect on the individual. People have emotional problems and they blame society rather than examine their own culpability and fear. I do believe bullying occurs, but not via expectations, just via insults and control. Men do not suffer due to male gender roles, they suffer because they are disproportionately bullied at home and at school, then by the legal system and by exclusion from public and private wealth.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 09:42 PM
-3

Wow, that's some really irrelevant shit dangerously masquerading as relevant shit.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 07:44 PM
4

Bullshit studies measure things that can't be measured easily by asking people who are equally clueless, people give different answers to how they did before, this is considered meaningful when it shouldn't. Or understanding of what depression is is different now than then, it's media representation is different, of course the answers are going to be different. Suicide is a good measure of unhappiness, asking people if they are unhappy or feel like they have a disorder is a stupid way of measuri…
/r/MensRights19/01/13 12:44 PM
2

You know that person who always does that sort of thing? Well that level of abstraction leads to meaningless information.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 07:40 AM
11

Spree killings are not on the rise. More importantly neither is mass-murder. Population is on the rise so outlier events occur more. http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/17/are-mass-shootings-becoming-more-common http://michaelsiegel.net/?p=5676 http://news.yahoo.com/no-rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-185700637.html When you deal with small sample sizes you tend to mistake random clusters for trends that might or might not exist.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 07:31 AM
1

Posts from outside the west are important to discuss the peculiarities of the west - things we assume are innately superior are not necessarily so. I mean if you look at the world and decide the west has better systems objectively that is one thing, but if you just say 'the west is richer so therefore it must be right' that's is simply inaccurate.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 07:28 AM
9

This thread again.
/r/MensRights19/01/13 07:18 AM
4

This is a story.
/r/MensRights17/01/13 06:20 PM
7

The two highest earning women I know married men who earned more, and stopped working at 30 to have kids (with no intention of going back to work). To clarify there isn't anything wrong with this, it's a free world, it just is good to know to counter the feminist rhetoric otherwise.
/r/MensRights17/01/13 06:04 PM
-1

It wouldn't be a bad thing if the forum got flooded by little known un-pc facts. I mean yes I can see how that could be merely sadistic, but I don't think this example is anything more than just an eye-opener, I would not have assumed the female national soccer team would lose to 17 year old boys. I'd just say you can never have to much facts that challenge the propaganda (for red-pillers as much as others).
/r/MensRights17/01/13 06:02 PM
2

This is downvoted because facts should not be known.
/r/MensRights17/01/13 08:39 AM
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No they are all pretty bad. Somebody points out that the numbers are of more male homeless suicide etc (often me), somebody says don't play oppression olympics and that suffering can't be measured (I have no idea why suffering can't be measured), the thread is quote mined to say mra hate women etc etc. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/search?q=do+men+have+it+worse&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/search?q=do+women+have+it+worse&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc…
/r/MensRights16/01/13 06:40 PM
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That page doesn't mention homelessness, suicide etc, it's more of a strawman than anything else.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 06:18 PM
2

This thread again.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 06:16 PM
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We 'rape and beat and murder women'? I think it's interesting the more lurid a fantasy gets, the less satisfying, so it accelerates. I mean how blatantly disconnected from reality that sentence is.
/r/MensRights15/01/13 08:17 PM
2

This thread again.
/r/MensRights11/01/13 02:03 PM
0

Link?
/r/MensRights11/01/13 02:01 PM
-2

Relationships are about trade, this would be a pricey item.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 10:05 PM
2

I wonder if the news would have even reported it if it was because he voted against Obama.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 06:19 PM
7

None of those given are anything but extremely rare reasons for depression.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 06:18 PM
0

The uk has fathers4justice, who are very active, I'm sure America has something similar.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 02:19 PM
0

I guess I could post this on a left forum and they would say 'yes that's exactly what the right are like', and then on a right forum and get 'yes that's exactly what the left are like', - but to me reading this it made me think of feminist arguments that we hear all the time. I guess perhaps sometimes you might hear them from the mensrights movement, but they sought of seem like the luxury of someone already on a roll, not somebody fighting an uphill battle.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 01:56 PM
4

The tldr; Dwight Schrute good, Dilbert's pointy haired boss bad. You will see these tactics all the time used by trolls here. I'm thinking more of the Dwight Schrute meme than the show. "Dolphins get a lot of good publicity for the drowning swimmers they push back to shore, but what you don’t hear about is the many people they push farther out to sea! Dolphins aren’t smart. They just like pushing things."
/r/MensRights10/01/13 10:50 AM
0

I think this is the post of the year, you've been downvoted because we are tired of the constant trolling by feminists etc here, but you are posting in good faith and it is very refreshing.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 05:21 AM
5

I'm sorry about the injustice you've been through, you probably will never get justice, but it is important you remember there is nothing wrong with you, or with you being upset, the problem is just that you want justice and haven't got it.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 05:20 AM
0

I actually do think a lot climate change information we are given is getting ahead of itself. I'd like to think in a Penn and Teller sense there isn't anything that can't be denied and questioned, otherwise you are just being religious. I mean conclusions should not be reached prematurely.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 05:17 AM
0

I like Seinfeld. Costanza might not be viewed with much sympathy, but at least he is getting mens troubles into discussion, we do see his horrible parents etc.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 05:14 AM
1

Feminism is envy dressed up as actual victim-hood. I understand, I am riddled with envy of my siblings, each minor slight, inequality or perceived injustice drives me to enact various redress - but I don't confuse this with legitimate victim-hood or anything of greater intellectual merit. " Denial of subjectivity: the treatment of a person as something whose experiences and feelings (if any) need not be taken into account." So what, you've been objectified, given less respect that you deserve, i…
/r/MensRights10/01/13 05:07 AM
5

I wouldn't especially worry until he can talk. I would say all the usual good stuff for now, co-sleeping etc (but that is not especially a mensrights argument and I don't mean to offend you if you don't like co-sleeping). Overall just understand that he is young and vulnerable to word tactics, shaming language etc, he will swallow up inferred messages without realizing - when he sees it on tv or at school, explain to him what is happening and clarify that mean people saying mean things doesn't m…
/r/MensRights10/01/13 05:02 AM
4

To try to steal sympathy from other groups.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 04:59 AM
-1

That's sort of a tautology - that's to say it doesn't provide a working understanding just a new term. I'm sorry this sounds really rude, I don't know how to say it right.
/r/MensRights10/01/13 04:53 AM
4

Every time you are shown to be wrong are you just going to ask another pointed question? Why should I answer a question of yours if you don't answer questions? Talk normally, I'm not interested in empty word games.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 10:02 PM
5

"Gender and Space Ball fields, which are more likely to be used by boys, take up more space in a community than ballet studios, which are more likely to be used by girls." Gender and Space. Gender and Space. Gender and Space. Your comments have bizarre votes.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 09:48 PM
-1

The interesting thing to me was how much of the population worked as servants.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 09:47 PM
4

What are you finding difficult?
/r/MensRights09/01/13 09:44 PM
2

You can own a shotgun in England pretty easily, but very few people do - but I think it illustrates that the difference between America and England in regards to guns is not the law but the culture. Also Switzerland and some Nordic countries have high gun ownership. I don't know what causes the high American murder rate (compared to Europe) but it isn't gun availability as far as I can see. I would personally blame the lack of a welfare state (not to say that that doesn't also have problems). I …
/r/MensRights09/01/13 09:32 PM
7

What if it was women playing sport in a field (hockey, football etc etc) and men using a an indoor area (wrestling, weights etc etc). Would their flimsy premise be meaningless then? Plus I thought we were supposed to tell kids it's good to exercise outside?
/r/MensRights09/01/13 09:26 PM
8

Good link.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 08:37 PM
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I noticed but didn't want to mention it because it would sound like I was accusing HeyFunkyPianist, whose posting history seems not srs or amr.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 08:34 PM
6

I don't agree that there are two camps, one that believes in feminism and one that thinks brain size determines intelligence. The mind is incredibly complex and there is no advantage in being reductionist and otherwise ignoring the gradiated complexity of the issue.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 07:57 PM
2

Is creepy the right word. It seems you are saying it is insensitive, which isn't the same thing.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 06:46 PM
-3

This study manipulated people into giving answers they could twist to suit their agenda. And you are an idiot. You have read very little on the subject and have very little experience, your own arrogance is making you think you have an opinion worth voicing.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 06:07 PM
-5

The Madonna Whore thing is really what she is discussing, once a woman has kids she loses her social status
/r/MensRights09/01/13 06:03 PM
-3

A bad thing happened somewhere! Is this really news or entertainment? Lots of bad shit happens, Saudi has lots of inequality etc.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 04:41 PM
-2

I don't follow?
/r/MensRights09/01/13 02:03 PM
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The issue is not that he disagrees with you, it's that he threatens to disown you for not doing as he says. He is chasing down reasons to disown you, I don't even see how you can do anything other than split with him. I mean how does he benefit you? He sounds like an absolute prick. Why are you cooking dinner for everyone?
/r/MensRights09/01/13 01:22 PM
-2

No women has ever been rude to a guy, while dating flirting etc. (Sarcasm). Although I'll be honest, women I've known tend to word it better.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 01:17 PM
-1

Yeah I mean we let the numbers tell us what to conclude.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 09:52 AM
-2

I said that already? Jesus if you are going to play stupid argument games at least get them right you lazy irritant. Or, I don't know, just say whatever your fucking argument is? Although assuming you are coming from amr I'll just assume you are trolling, I was gullible enough to answer your post so mission accomplished.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 08:23 AM
-1

Shill's aren't necessary for stupid opinions to be supported. I can see the financial gain for supporting Israel, feminism less so.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 08:02 AM
0

Yes that's the point I'm making - narratives are always compelling, you might like one more than another, but you are still substituting one story with another. In the end you can only trust data.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 08:00 AM
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Feminism - equality is good. (The problem is 'equality' as a concept leads itself to misunderstanding - not least of which is addressing the problems of those with the nicer faces first). Mensrights - suffering can be empirically addressed. I think the most important point of the mensrights movement is that we are letting the numbers count more than pretty faces and drama. The importance of this difference can't be overstated.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 07:43 AM
1

Personal stuff should be personal. Also this is anecdotal.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 07:30 AM
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I suggest you go to a better mensrights website then.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 07:28 AM
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Boy babies and girl babies are often very different in volume and one wants freedom and rebellion and projects strength the other wants eye contact and attention and projects sweetness - obviously there are exceptions but this goes part of the way toward their different punishments - although it shouldn't really. I understand this sound very stereotypical, but it is my experience with children.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 07:25 AM
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Whether you agree with this narrative or not - it is important to see how events and relationships in history can be read in a manner completely against the feminist narrative. Men and women had different roles, this reading here is just as natural a way to read it as the feminist narrative. (Which is why it is important to stay as faithful to the numbers as possible).
/r/MensRights09/01/13 07:12 AM
2

I don't believe people commit suicide by accidental mistreatment or a callous society. It normally takes sustained emotional torture over years, typically by a family member. (But I agree with everything else you are saying).
/r/MensRights08/01/13 10:17 PM
-2

Of what? (I have two children I can answer your questions to a degree).
/r/MensRights08/01/13 10:14 PM
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It can be very hard for a worker to win against a company, which has deeper pockets and can wait longer. Maybe she was bad, or maybe she just lost. I just don't care about her possible unfair advantage, envy isn't suffering.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 10:12 PM
0

Treat homeless and suicide as very serious issues. Treat unemployment as serious too. Though personally I wouldn't 'rule the world' I'd just allow a more nuanced political process with more minority voices heard.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 07:03 PM
-1

This thread again.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 06:59 PM
10

This article does nothing to persuade me as I've seen the unfairness of divorce for my parents (that is being pooh pooed in the article)- I think most people have enough experience to see the author is full of shit.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 06:59 PM
6

/3 Women have great hardship such as people not liking them and stuff.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 06:53 PM
12

FEAR! People engaging in politics! HORROR! Conclusions being reassessed! EVIL! Men!
/r/MensRights08/01/13 06:52 PM
0

I don't disagree with her except that you can divide people so categorically, people exist on an analogue spectrum not 'case closed' demeaning categories.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 04:00 PM
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If only I could believe anything you said.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 03:52 PM
-1

Sects are statistical anomalies - ie irrelevant bogeymen
/r/MensRights08/01/13 03:50 PM
2

If guns are a bogeyman, then Lanza is too. Mass killings are a statistical anomaly, violent death is far more likely to be suicide than murder, and the vast majority of suicides blame their mother or partner (I have never heard of one blaming the patriarchy).
/r/MensRights08/01/13 10:54 AM
2

You should have lead with this rather than playing passive aggressive games - doing so has already shown you are not debating in good faith and disqualified you from response.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 08:52 AM
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Rape can occur without leaving physical evidence - so I don't think how much it does occur can be compared to how much it is reported - there isn't a way to collect that data. The people I know who have been raped/ molested haven't ever reported it.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 08:49 AM
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I don't care about the opinions of ordinary people - but the opinion of newspapers and academics is the main reason why mensrights issues are kept out of discussion and never addressed. Social expectations are nebulous as you say and I would add below the threshold of actual victimization.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 08:44 AM
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No Jokes Allowed. Got it! I agree that a mensrights forum is the perfect place to shame men for their behavior. (Sarcasm) Also - This Thread Again.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 08:42 AM
0

I never said so. It makes getting all them much easier though.
/r/MensRights07/01/13 09:37 PM
-2

Red Herring. Violent murder is terrible, but not an epidemic. You might as well ask why do our daughters beat their children etc. Also why not the reverse, why do our sons become fireman/ police and rescue people etc.
/r/MensRights07/01/13 08:45 PM
2

This thread again. Read the faq. To me goal no.1 is for mensrights to be acceptable and respected in the papers. As a beachhead.
/r/MensRights07/01/13 08:41 PM
0

I'm not saying that rape is a gendered crime - but it isn't necessary for all crimes to be non-gendered - for male suffering to still matter and be on a scale equal or greater to female suffering. We should not attempt to mirror feminists as a knee jerk reaction.
/r/MensRights07/01/13 08:39 PM
1

I assumed so (though it would help to put it in your title, people are quick to downvote here).
/r/MensRights07/01/13 06:13 PM
3

Justice means punishing crime, not punishing wealth.
/r/MensRights07/01/13 05:46 PM
-1

Male historians recorded male developments... where were the female historians recording female developments?
/r/MensRights07/01/13 05:46 PM
2

I was there, you don't know what you are talking about. I've known this woman like over 10 years, you don't know what you are talking about. If she can be scared - why is it I can't? If she is in danger - how is it I can't be? Why is picking a fight a good thing in your world? Why are you on a mission to miss the point? How is hesitation ever wrong? How can we control what people say? By your logic I should be picking a fight with you for what you are saying now? I can't help you if you continue…
/r/MensRights07/01/13 05:36 PM
1

You are cherry picking and re-interpreting what I've said? I can't address a scenario only you are aware of.
/r/MensRights07/01/13 02:54 PM
4

Stalker.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 10:41 PM
-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEsbY1-9UYg Steven Segal is - CockPuncher ;)
/r/MensRights06/01/13 10:39 PM
-3

Isn't this just gaslighting?
/r/MensRights06/01/13 10:08 PM
0

It's not about one gender or another, it's about putting suffering, something discrete and addressable, before equality which is a vague hypothetical faraway star we have never set foot on or even observed. There is not a single instance of equality existing now or in history in any group of people, put addressing suffering is eminently achievable.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 09:58 PM
3

Projecting doesn't make sense as an argument, he is discussing his own experience, he isn't ascribing any motive to those who bullied him or even vilifying them, just recording that he was bullied.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 09:44 PM
0

Blame the victim.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 09:42 PM
1

You are getting way ahead of yourself talking about equality - first help the victims, in either camp. When there are no more people suffering - then you can address the petty issue of who has it better.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 09:42 PM
6

Submissions are better with evidence, but discussions afterwards are where opinions are formed between searching for evidence. You are pruning debate before it has even started, essentially killing debate by putting the horse before the carriage.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 09:39 PM
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I had never thought of my school time like that - but it's true, vast swathes of social life avoided because of groups of girls who mocked you for playing computers, or simply for not being cool enough. It's a sort of invisible bullying because the victims just avoid life and get blamed for it. You could essentially say the word 'shy' is code for 'bullied by girls'. I hope this thread gets noticed. Really this removes a lot of mystery from my inhibitions and shame for me. Also video gaming is a …
/r/MensRights06/01/13 09:04 PM
9

The real story here is that somebody gave up their seat on the New York subway.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 08:55 PM
1

Most research says sids is a natural event.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 05:30 PM
-2

Most of the article doesn't mean anything, I don't think the author believes most of what they are saying.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 08:03 AM
1

Partly the science is not quite agreeing.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 06:06 AM
2

How bad does it actually make you feel? It doesn't sound like you actually feel victimized, just annoyed. You shouldn't expect perfect behavior from others. If you want better behavior, you'll have to both enter into some sort of self improvement, therapy or whatever feels appropriate. Therapy can be cheap if you look around.
/r/MensRights06/01/13 05:58 AM
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I basically agree with you - but there is a lot more research on sids than just the one you link to. To those of you without children, they can piss you off more than anything else because you can't leave them and they are ungrateful, even babies - doubly so when you are on your own and often sleep deprived. I think the rate of murders of children can also paint a picture of how we mistreat children in general - that's to say, more often the boys. Most people with emotional problems say they ste…
/r/MensRights05/01/13 10:03 PM
14

She is not a bad person yet. She hasn't actually done anything yet, thought and speech shouldn't be policed. What she thinks, how she thinks, is a defense mechanism. Attacking her will only re-enforce it. Until you understand how she thinks, that is from where her decisions are good and defensible, you will not be able to interact meaningfully with her decisions.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 09:59 PM
0

Feminism has a talent for muddying the waters, and making the simple seem complicated.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 08:58 PM
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She doesn't know the meaning of the word sad, if she thinks that counts as sad. She should check her privilege.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 08:39 PM
6

"It can be demoralizing. " Oh sweet Jesus no!!!! I'm sorry I care about actual victims, not envious high flyers.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 06:04 PM
0

Short answer yes. Although I'm not saying my situation was otherwise similar.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 04:29 PM
1

The down votes are most likely not from mensrights members but forums that specifically troll us.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 03:42 PM
7

Your post belongs here as much as any other. You can get therapy or see a psychiatrist. I think it is important you realize your view of yourself is not objective. You can change how you feel - but you must get help. The argument of leaving to benefit others is hollow, you can't help others if you don't first help yourself - you must be selfish for now. Feel free to pm me if you'd rather, but really most of us here are here to help you. You seem an intelligent guy, when you get down to it, your …
/r/MensRights05/01/13 12:28 PM
3

It's only confusing if you believe her. She says all the mra she's talked too just hated women, and the op immediately apologizes for her experience - but rather we should consider that she is misrepresenting her experience. I just read a person with horrible views and an op too nice to argue with.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 12:23 PM
-2

Isn't this a lot of discussion to take place in a class? When I was young we would shut up and do the work.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 05:55 AM
-1

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.co.uk/ http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/mens-rights-feminism/4-out-of-5-rape-accusations-are-false-austrian-head-of-vice-police There are two things that you have to consider. Do criminals get away with crime, that is do they commit the same crime repeatedly before they are caught - yes. And at the same do people believe a crime has been committed when they feel sad and exploited - yes. So sadly you can have a system whereby rapists go free, and innocent p…
/r/MensRights05/01/13 05:46 AM
2

There are three issues here. 1. The double standard. 2. At what point do we draw the line between fun and bullying. 3. How much is anybody responsible to intervene. I'm afraid the only answer I have is the pessimistic one. 1. Everything is always a double standard, just try to be on the right side of it. 2. Nobody draws any line but what best rewards them self. 3. Nobody will ever intervene except to loot the victim. What you need to do is not to decry the unfairness, but accept that unfairness …
/r/MensRights05/01/13 05:31 AM
0

The labor party has to all intents and purposes been as much feminism in England as any other group of feminism, anything feminism has done there, they have done too. I don't like feminism, but it is just extremely dishonest of the labor party to now turn around and act like it was someone else, not them, who destroyed the family.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 05:22 AM
3

For every crime that is easy to accuse someone off without evidence, the police get more bullshit accusations than real ones - it's just with rape that the police are forced to treat them much more seriously than the rest. Sucks that happened to you though, good luck with other jobs.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 08:41 PM
-1

Can't prove so from this article, but I have never heard of a woman being encouraged to jump. And I'm sure if it ever did happen we'd never hear the end of it.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 08:35 PM
5

Tangling separate issues together is unhelpful. This title is misleading.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 11:52 AM
19

Black Feminism has always said it is different in that it doesn't hate men.
/r/MensRights03/01/13 07:52 PM
11

You mum is old (ish), older people are much less likely to change their opinions and personalities, feminism seems a big part of her identity. It sounds like she has been through a lot - it might be too confrontational or insensitive to just tell her she's wrong. Much like you don't tell a fat person they'd be thin if they ate less, and that fat is gross etc. You have needs from her because she is your mother, but before that she is a person, one who has been repeatedly raped and is now probably…
/r/MensRights03/01/13 07:48 PM
23

You can fight emotion with therapy - the op should tell his mum that she is hurting him with her attitude and that he thinks she is letting her pain ruin her and his life.
/r/MensRights03/01/13 07:44 PM
3

This thread again.
/r/MensRights03/01/13 07:42 PM
0

Women's experience, and men's experience is irrelevant. To mention it does nothing but add stupidity to an otherwise clear issue. You don't know what it's like to anything I do, because you aren't me. Just because we are both men doesn't mean we have any experience the same, to imply otherwise is bigotry in denial and accusation. Mens Rights is important, Womans rights are important. Suffering is important. Discussing experience is bullshit that can only be used as a tactic to pervert the real d…
/r/MensRights03/01/13 03:53 PM
-2

This is a red herring. Men need help whether the government favors workers or employers. Further a difference in male and female roles is only superficially related to the suffering of men and women.
/r/MensRights03/01/13 07:48 AM
-1

Even if all mra were lonely, this would be no reason to villify them and deny their experience, but would rather be proof that men are suffering and in need of help.
/r/MensRights03/01/13 07:46 AM
1

This thread again.
/r/MensRights03/01/13 07:37 AM
-2

If she is loaded she shouldn't struggle to find a nice guy to marry.
/r/MensRights03/01/13 07:30 AM
0

You said 'address an issue', an issue implies a real thing that matters, unless you mean something that doesn't matter?
/r/MensRights03/01/13 07:21 AM
3

I think there is a big gap between what a person thinks they would do, and what they would actually do - much like kids boasting about how tough they are, but then freezing when it comes to actual fights. We all watch Die Hard and say 'yee ha' along with it, but the vast majority would struggle to shoot an animal let alone a person, even a bad person.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 09:18 PM
1

Who cares. Feminism is not defined by r/feminism but by it's leaders and their effect. Members here don't always like each other, I don't think there is a 'best off' that can speak for the rest - and I explicitly think those with the right idea of what a mensrightsmovement should be are marginal members, both as an idealogical point and talking about specific individuals.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 09:12 PM
17

What is anything like by that logic? I could say you don't know what the color red looks like to me. Except that people aren't magical fairy ponies. We can measure pain, we can measure suffering, periods are below the threshold of genuine victimhood.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 09:07 PM
22

I live in a planet with numbers, you do not.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 09:01 PM
10

He seems confident that he is a super genius. Because he is rich I imagine. Seems sort of privileged. Which actually should disqualify him from an opinion on such matters.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 06:16 PM
-2

Your line of reasoning doesn't work. I'm not saying it is feminist because I disagree with you, I said it was feminist before. I'm only unclear of who you are blaming because you have failed to make a case for blame - I only know you are blaming people who blame feminists, you haven't given any evidence for this or even much explanation. As to me being full of hatred - do you know me or are you assuming that merely because I disagree with you? I don't feel I have hate, though there is nothing wr…
/r/MensRights02/01/13 06:10 PM
0

I am in no way looking to reject criticism of this forum, I'm one of the biggest critics of this forum. Of course bitterness and spite are not healthy, that's why we sympathise with victims, because their behaviour is not healthy. In regard to co-ordinated voting and trolling, I'm seeing that with a feminist slant, not a traditional mra slant or whatever it is you are not admitting to suggesting.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 04:37 PM
1

Your saying people who have a problem with feminist concern trolling are against more liberal membership and transgender issues etc. You are saying mainstream means more liberal. You are saying angry bitter people are not allowed and we should cherish their ejection. When male victims are often angry and bitter. A mens rights forum should not be happy that men feel they can't express their feelings here - even if those are negative feelings.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 01:17 PM
0

This is sort of intrusive on your part.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 01:13 PM
2

You are conflating unrelated things, and trying to marginalize male victims in a movement for male victims. Also this belongs in mensrightsmeta.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 01:03 PM
3

Your complaining about how people vote in a thread about how people complain about how people vote.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 01:03 PM
0

Gay guys trying to pick me up has never scared me and I think if it does scare you you are phobic. Strange males wanting to beat you up and chasing you for minutes / large portions of your life is something most boys grow up with and learn to defend themselves against. Minor things, do not become major things no matter how much you exaggerate them. Males are more likely to be assaulted murdered etc by strangers and family, women often get someone else to do it for them etc.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 07:02 AM
-3

I love when 'comebacks' do nothing but paint the person saying them as slow and so antagonistic as to dismiss themself from adult conversation.
/r/MensRights01/01/13 08:04 PM
-1

Did you learn a lesson in just saying it instead of playing tease me precious?
/r/MensRights01/01/13 07:30 PM
2

This is hostility masked as victimhood. Mensrights should help but not enable. (Although I actually think this is just a troll).
/r/MensRights01/01/13 07:28 PM
0

They say 'anger' we say 'hello'. IT'S A TRAP!
/r/MensRights01/01/13 07:26 PM
4

I don't think this argument follows, because curing these other problems is a monumental task, whereas providing free birth control is pretty cheap. I'm just saying in England it's no big deal to get free condoms or free 'the pill' etc.
/r/MensRights01/01/13 07:25 PM
0

Who cares?
/r/MensRights01/01/13 07:22 PM
1

If a post needs more support is one thing - but the idea that men and women do equal time is wrong weather or not a poster has given you sufficient info.
/r/MensRights01/01/13 04:44 PM
3

Condoms are available for free in England. (Not at every chemist obviously but at most health clinics).
/r/MensRights01/01/13 04:40 PM
-2

This is important information in the link. This thread should not be downvoted, even if the rest of the tone isn't popular.
/r/MensRights01/01/13 04:33 PM
-1

'I take a minor issue, then exaggerate it massively, now you are mean for not caring more'. A perfect plan, as long as no one actually looks out the window, or looks at some numbers, or otherwise has any connection with the real world. Essentially this is nothing but a threat, false accusation as ideology.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 06:55 PM
14

These discussions imply that being a house husband is any way comparable to being a house wife. A woman can be passive and reliant, because the law will back her up, and society will call her beautiful, sweet, cute and gentle etc, a man doesn't have the same legal backing or appreciation in society. He is just a mooch, it is nearly impossible to compliment a man on his gentleness or child like appearance etc. A woman going to a spa is living the high life, a man going to a spa is a pervert. A wo…
/r/MensRights31/12/12 06:46 PM
-3

THIS THREAD AGAIN! THIS THREAD AGAIN! THIS THREAD AGAIN! Please people, read the faq.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 06:41 PM
33

Men need to do more (more more more) for women. Movies that cater entirely to women, movies that only show men as idiots, is not enough, because sometimes a movie doesn't have a women in it.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 06:34 PM
0

Is race an issue? Should we assume not as you don't mention it? Is this in America? Are you lifting very large weights? This is not blame the victim, just that you leave out a lot of information. You are being bullied. Mainly because you haven't figured out a way to fight back which isn't 'going to far'. If you do 'go to far' you will just be aiding the bullies. In your situation I would take the cowardly way out, be nice and helpful until the bullies get bored of dealing with an unresponsive pe…
/r/MensRights31/12/12 08:57 AM
4

I need feminism because of words men to blame for stuff.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 08:45 AM
-2

'You don't belong here' is not a male only experience, but it is disproportionately aimed at men. I've definitely experienced it.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 08:41 AM
-1

The last one doesn't work, it can be pointed at anyone. If you dress like a nerd expect to be treated like a nerd, if you dress like cattle expect to be treated like cattle, if you dress like a loser expect, dress like a nun expect - etc etc.
/r/MensRights31/12/12 08:37 AM
0

A lot of parents are not faithful to their kids in the west. (Anglo-Saxon countries more than the rest of Europe I think).
/r/MensRights30/12/12 09:13 PM
1

You have taken the definition given by two sites that are anti mens rights. Mangina doesn't refer to someone who is too feminine, but to someone who worships women (the vagina). But yes it can lead itself to misinterpretation.
/r/MensRights30/12/12 02:53 PM
-1

Mass murderers? Like Pol Pot?
/r/MensRights30/12/12 11:12 AM
-1

The stats don't support that conclusion at all. Look at Amish men. They are not biologically different but have a murder rate much smaller than American women. So clearly culture is the determining factor not biology.
/r/MensRights30/12/12 11:11 AM
-1

All the vagueness in this question is the fault of the women holding up the sign which is incredible passive aggressive, and does nothing to clear up the mystery of what is rape, not the op's.
/r/MensRights30/12/12 11:04 AM
-1

What fouls?
/r/MensRights30/12/12 11:01 AM
0

What does ftfy stand for?
/r/MensRights30/12/12 11:00 AM
52

If porn dehumanizes women, marriage dehumanizes men, turning them into nothing but a wallet with no needs or weaknesses or rights.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 10:03 PM
1

It's possible you are fighting with your mom because you are 18 and the two of you are sick of each other, or just that despite being related you aren't ever going to be friends. Get some distance and time apart I'd recommend. I get it you don't live with them, but just spend a year or two without visiting them. I'm just saying it might not be about mens rights just teens and parents fighting.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 07:04 PM
0

He didn't ask me? I would agree with racial segregated prisons in America. Race issues are part of a lot of violence in America's prisons. I don't think it makes sense to quit this reddit simply because it didn't want to confuse gender issues with race issues.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 06:54 PM
1

Game of Thrones is good. I didn't think I'd like it either.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 06:48 PM
1

They want a safe space I imagine. I agree with that idea.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 06:43 PM
0

Language and how to use it wrongly.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 06:39 PM
5

This thread again.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 04:03 PM
0

Sci-fi.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 04:01 PM
1

Sci-fi.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 04:00 PM
3

Society has less patience for male suffering.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 03:57 PM
3

I'm not worried about 'spoiled', I'm worried about dependence and control. Has she ever been single and free? It seems like she's gone from controlling parents to a sheltering partner without ever been outside of the passive role. Everyone needs to go through the teenage rebellion phase, even if it's in their 20's etc. Note I'm not calling you controlling, just possibly mistaken. Has she tried several therapists, or is she clinging to her current therapist?
/r/MensRights27/12/12 08:21 PM
2

I think you have to let her rescue herself. Of course I don't know her or you. But this situation sounds like it will just blind everyone in it.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 07:59 PM
5

This is worded strangely, so that it can be twisted into a case of you and therapist colluding to dominate her. A far fetched scenario that you could be quote mining to pretend we support (rather than people here just naively believing the op saying it is all done in good faith etc). I don't think you can rescue her from herself. And just because a therapist says you should control her, doesn't mean you should. It would be better if you don't dominate her. This therapist is very bad - I'm not su…
/r/MensRights27/12/12 05:21 PM
7

The question here is why is she creating a mystery you need to solve. Why the drama? If she was entering a relationship in good faith, she would be helping you, not creating tests and recording shortcomings. This is the real world not tv, her 'dark past' with your friend can be approached rationally rather than investing hyperbolic-ly.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 05:17 PM
2

People forget why feminism discussed equality in the first place, not because equality had any good quality in itself, but because equality was a way to expose (proposed) entrenched negative discrimination. People not understanding, or dramatizing, have essentialised the whole function and managed to massively miss the point.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 05:13 PM
1

It's hard to tell because they have beards too. (I'm kidding, just using the Terry Pratchet explanation)..
/r/MensRights27/12/12 05:08 PM
0

Mass shootings are not increasing.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 07:55 AM
1

It's not so much the conscious stuff as the unconscious stuff. I used to not see the issue with 'how can she slap' for example.
/r/MensRights27/12/12 07:53 AM
3

Yay, NHS.
/r/MensRights26/12/12 08:01 PM
6

I agree. Why ally with a movement with such a negative history.
/r/MensRights26/12/12 05:14 PM
-1

Most cultures have grandparents involved in their grandchildren's lives, and old parents still involved in their adult children's lives. In the west families are much more fractured.
/r/MensRights26/12/12 04:55 PM
2

Amish men commit every crime at a rate lower than American (non- Amish) women, to a massive degree. It is clear that it is culture not biology that is responsible for the gender differences in crime.
/r/MensRights26/12/12 09:04 AM
-1

Step one is reproductive rights for men. Step two is a culture that normalizes marriage and not single parenthood. (Sorry to say it but sounds like religion). Step three is fixing grandparent involvement. (Not simple obviously).
/r/MensRights26/12/12 08:59 AM
11

This thread again.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 08:43 PM
8

Even once a child is born a woman can give it up for adoption.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 08:06 PM
0

Which thread.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 06:21 PM
18

If only there was some way men could choose not to be a father, like what women have.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 06:18 PM
2

This implies those rapists don't get caught by the current laws, that there is this big pool of criminals cackling and committing crime and never getting caught. If rapists do actually get caught, then your law would just lock up 51 innocent men.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 06:17 PM
1

It's worth noting that this was probably designed by a guy - some guys think hating other guys is super progressive, because they are a guy, so they aren't slapping themselves on the back (although of course they are).
/r/MensRights24/12/12 06:13 PM
-4

This thread again.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 06:10 PM
1

It's not like that, my stepfather just tried to run him over when he was picking us up from school, it is attempted murder, but it is also just the sort of thing that you take for granted in divorce, as a child you don't think much of it. The same as all the times you have to 'rescue' your mother from her 'violent' husband or boyfriend, or have to comfort her when she's crying and says she wants to kill herself. It's really not remarkable. It's only later you realize these people weren't violent…
/r/MensRights24/12/12 03:48 PM
3

To say everyone is a victim in some way is to simply make the word victim meaningless. There has to be a threshold beneath which one isn't a victim but just frustrated. If you have more happiness than unhappiness for example. I agree with the rest of what you said.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 01:38 PM
3

What a bullshit meaningless list. Numbers mean something, stories don't. I'm now going to go over to the feminist forum post a bunch of mensrights arguments and say 'I stumbled on this, help me refute them' and upvote it a lot so they think it is a legitimate thread. Then pretend to myself I'm opening their mind with new info... Actually no, that would be weird.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 11:02 AM
2

A large amount of family murders involve one person telling another to do the murder. My mother told my stepfather to kill my dad - he tried and failed, we might say that only the doer is responsible, but then why do we judge military commanders and forgive soldiers? To me in families the commander is as guilty as the doer. Women are more likely to command someone else to kill than men are.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 10:56 AM
2

To me the law is not meant to be good or make people better, it is just meant to facilitate the society that is most competitive - which by and large means insuring people don't murder and enslave each other.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 10:51 AM
2

Apex fallacy.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 10:46 AM
5

The truth is the issue is not the violence or pain, it is the violation of rights. He committed a crime (assuming he is guilty), he has lost the right to have his rights defended. Defense and revenge are not the same as attack and aggression.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 09:49 AM
2

Part of the problem is outside us, part of it is inside.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 09:44 AM
7

This is an anecdote. The feminist forums can have the exact same in reverse. But it is very perfect in it's depiction.
/r/MensRights24/12/12 09:42 AM
2

Yes it could happen from mugging too - I'm not in any way saying rape is especially traumatic, it is reported as such but I haven't seen any persuasive numbers. (And it is unlikely they will ever be available because the word rape has come to cover very different crimes). In regard to rating crimes - it doesn't work that way, the trauma of the victim and the seriousness of the crime do not need to match - and I think the seriousness of the crime is not based on the trauma to the victim. When I s…
/r/MensRights24/12/12 09:31 AM
0

I wouldn't legally want someone to be charged for the suicide, I don't believe the law should deal with things that aren't cut and dry and as empirical as possible. But if the rape victim killed themselves afterward, I myself would be very sure that it was rape, not consensual sex and that the victim was very traumatized by the rape. I knew someone who knew someone who was raped quiet brutally, they thought they were going to die, but that person went on to never really be very affected by it at…
/r/MensRights23/12/12 10:11 PM
25

Like any money at all really, there is no maintenance needs for either. It seems a waste of court time to officiate.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 07:12 PM
2

I'm not the op. I don't understand what you are trying to say here, talk normally.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 07:09 PM
1

You can't sum up the negatives of either by just saying extremists. That's just a trite truism.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 04:45 PM
-1

Oppression Olympics. (Sarcasm)
/r/MensRights23/12/12 04:36 PM
7

What we can tell is that there is outcome C, and crime A. We can't tell A caused C, but we can tell A is a cause of C like outcomes, and C is caused by A like causes. It's like a case where someone eats a certain contaminated burger and then dies of a food born disease - we don't know it was that burger rather than another food that gave them the disease, but circumstantially it very much seems so. Of course people react to being victims of crime in very different ways - and of course when someo…
/r/MensRights23/12/12 12:54 PM
2

http://www.confused.com/car-insurance/articles/how-a-black-box-means-cheaper-car-insurance-for-young-drivers We are probably talking about the same thing, I just heard it uses gps to track your speed and such.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 10:31 AM
1

One thing with rape hysteria/ inflation, is that it abused by elevatorgate types, and really provides no help for actual victims. The more guys are prosecuted for bullshit rapes, the harder it is to prosecute real rapes.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 09:28 AM
3

It should have just been the 'Rorschach movie'.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 09:21 AM
2

I don't believe this. Another explanation is that people's neurosis do not have infinite variation (though each person thinks they have a uniquely weird mind), but rather are limited and predictable - and that tv just reflects that - either on purpose or just because the writers are the same as the audience.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 09:19 AM
0

Therapy can help - or medication if you prefer.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 09:17 AM
4

I wouldn't have a problem if it didn't use their real photos.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 09:15 AM
2

The mans reproductive rights were failed more by the condom than the woman in this case.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 09:13 AM
0

I'm married, I liked my wife because she was smart and sympathetic, she me for the same reasons. Also she did not have the typical drawbacks of most her gender, although of course she had her own unique drawbacks - and she saw me the same way. I'd like to say we sought each other out, but in my case it was a process of trial and error.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 09:08 AM
2

It will change with time. Certain countries that used to be able to do no wrong according to mainstream news are now being criticized, feminism will in the same way be openly criticized eventually. Talking about the personal situation, I think part of it is about when you have sadness, and you can't do anything with it, because no one will admit you can have sadness.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 09:04 AM
3

The problem is it's an arbitrary distinction to a degree. Some men are great some women are terrible at driving. Anyway there is a new car gps thing that should be able to determine who is a safe driver and who is an unsafe driver.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 09:00 AM
8

You can quantify emotional damage somewhat. Does the victim become an alcoholic. Do they become homeless. Do they commit suicide. Do they end up hospitalized or institutionalized. Do they go on to commit a crime. Do they lose their job. Do they lose their house. Do they become housebound. Do they become obese -Etc etc. These are all things that are bad in themselves but also pretty good evidence of suffering.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 08:28 AM
0

You can criticize mensrights all you want, and I might join you, but not on a mensrights thread discussing rape. I wouldn't go to a feminist forum and tell them they are all wrong, I wouldn't go there and tell them their experience is wrong.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 08:21 AM
0

I apologize for misjudging you.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 08:15 AM
1

Ok, I'm sorry I stated it rudely. But it would have been far better if you had just said you think the Bechdel test shows that women have insignificant roles in movies rather than as you did put your submission. Stephen Fry would commend people who simply state their point rather than not. Edit - two different people - durrrr, herp derp.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 08:14 AM
0

Upvoted for honesty.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 08:09 AM
4

Oh yay someone who defends their hate with ignorance and dishonesty, I'm going to continue this conversation.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 09:19 PM
8

No I gave very specific reasons that only apply to your post. You seem very hypocritical.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 09:15 PM
6

You are the one hating on free speech? The goal of your post was to be offensive, not hidden at all? I can't force you to fuck off, I can only hope all the hate you are showing victims here is something you experience someday.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 09:09 PM
8

You're telling people here they don't respect female victims enough, while you're here telling us why can't actually even be victims.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 09:06 PM
19

No you are here shitting on people trying to deal with their problems, telling them before they think of them self they have to think of you. Why don't you fuck off?
/r/MensRights22/12/12 09:02 PM
10

Agreement is not compassion, disagreement is not a lack of compassion. Can you explain why there has been an invasion of fucks like you recently? Any specific goal other than shitting on a victims right group?
/r/MensRights22/12/12 08:58 PM
5

You assume the op hasn't and that no one else here has either, because you are a bigot.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 08:51 PM
31

There are plenty of rape survivors here, like me. Don't pretend to educate anyone.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 08:50 PM
7

A movie that doesn't have women in a real role, is not evidence of discrimination. It does suggest there are few women seriously trying to make movies. If I write a book I'm going to write about what I want to write about, not write someone else's book for them. Aaa-and the books women do write for women that are very popular, often don't pass that test either, such as glitter vampires. I mean there are movies for women, just less so for feminists. There are no movies for me either. It's a busin…
/r/MensRights22/12/12 08:44 PM
-10

While it is important for men to understand and avoid the risks of sex and marriage, it is important not to fetishize them.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 06:22 PM
2

When you think about this, this is a lot like saying, 'magical black people, you have such a spiritual connection to dancing (etc etc)'. People do not live a life made up of their magical associations, but one made up of thinking and trying and working etc. That's to say we are what we do, not what we are born etc.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 06:11 PM
3

Lol at the edit. People are very trigger happy with that vote button here.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 06:05 PM
2

Feminism is based on bad theories, no matter everyone's intentions it will always be destructive for that reason.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 05:52 PM
28

Mensrights is the sort of circlejerk where no one can agree on anything.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 05:49 PM
0

Boys do worse at school, it is low visibility. http://www.boysproject.net/statistics.html I didn't say reform schools target boys. But there are far more boys than girls at reform schools. What is this don't compare shaming bullshit?
/r/MensRights22/12/12 03:45 PM
0

But do they pay attention to the plot and characters like the do a tv show or book? Do these games have any effect on what a person considers a 'should' like a tv show does?
/r/MensRights22/12/12 03:42 PM
2

Low visibility hides a lot of male tragedies, and the opposite for women.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 12:09 PM
9

no
/r/MensRights22/12/12 11:57 AM
8

What an idiot.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 11:57 AM
2

When dealing with bullies the important point is that you stand up for yourself. It's not necessary for them to apologize or for you to win.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 08:19 AM
-1

Different things are not the same thing.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 08:14 AM
-4

Terrible argument.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 07:54 AM
-2

From +3 to -3. Hello downvote brigade.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 07:52 AM
-4

Neither are part of populer culture. Rather they are part of a minority interest. They are not 'friends', or 'er' etc.
/r/MensRights22/12/12 07:51 AM
-7

Fictional work is either irrelevant or pervasive. Computer games are going to really struggle to ever be pervasive.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 06:56 PM
1

Considering how insulting this submission is, why is it upvoted? A lot of masochists here, people who misunderstand what a genuine poster is or a strange voting invasion?
/r/MensRights21/12/12 05:25 PM
6

A person could imagine a one in two chance of getting cancer would be a big deal.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 05:14 PM
4

Irrelevant feminist is irrelevant.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 05:11 PM
2

Wow, that's meaningless. Always be on the look out for car accident, because at some point in your life you'll be in a car accident, probably. Of course there is no argument for why you weren't already looking out for car accidents. Also fire hot and water wet.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 09:42 AM
2

'Any of the things constantly talked about here' I nearly never talk about dating inequalities, I focus on homelessness and suicide... So either I don't exist or you are misrepresenting the reddit. On the internet fluff floats to the top - that is true of every forum. Further the mensrights movement is not based on personal experience but actual numbers. The experience you report is much like that of a Christian who says they see evidence of Jesus everywhere, a biased report. The numbers support…
/r/MensRights21/12/12 09:07 AM
1

Stumbled onto this old story
/r/MensRights20/12/12 07:33 PM
13

"At the center of the case is a video that officials say shows the woman engaged in explicit sexual conduct with the victim, who appears to be aged 4 or 5." Sounds like pedophilia to me. Also why is this thread downvoted?
/r/MensRights20/12/12 06:27 PM
1

Respond to the numbers not the editorial which is inflammatory for it's own sake and not any indication of anything.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 06:23 PM
2

That's pretty hilarious.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 06:22 PM
5

Reddit is not the real world, so what is said there is not important. Also it is very anecdotal.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 06:21 PM
2

Thanks - what does the number represent then?
/r/MensRights20/12/12 03:34 PM
4

Lies are forever surprising, the truth is repetitive (if it's allowed to be known).
/r/MensRights20/12/12 03:32 PM
4

Are these in order of magnitude or is the number to the left which is important. Because feminism has the bigger number? (edit, I put "what's important" derp)
/r/MensRights20/12/12 03:29 PM
3

You argue that she shouldn't be forced to carry, but you don't argue that she shouldn't abort if the man doesn't want to be a father. If an abortion cost a man a broken finger, we wouldn't hesitate to do it to save people raising children they don't want. If a woman wants to give the child up for adoption, no stigma, if a man wants to - tough shit etc. As long as we're talking fantasy solutions lets sterilize everyone and make them apply for a permit to have children.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 03:24 PM
1

I recommend we start keeping a record of the best trolling to occur here.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 08:50 AM
0

When my mother divorced my dad, she got a lot of money, she got the children etc etc. But he got to be without her, and she got to be without him, in this he got a much better deal, he went on to have a fun life, she went on to be extremely miserable. I think being single benefits men more than women.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 08:45 AM
1

If you are responsible for something you get to make choices on it. Except in this case where men have no choice from inception onward (if not before).
/r/MensRights20/12/12 08:20 AM
3

The second half is (shock) insulting! The person uses less than perfect language!
/r/MensRights20/12/12 08:16 AM
3

First, well done for linking to a screenshot. Stupid arguments are hard to refute, because you first have to explain how actual logic works. 'If you don't want feminism because you don't want female leaders then you hate women' for example. Real arguments prove a link between their claims not just infer one with confusion as their only rationalization. A mens rights movement, benefits from male leadership because it deals with male victims of women. Not accepting feminism is not because it is fe…
/r/MensRights20/12/12 08:08 AM
5

Feminism focuses on fictional scenarios because the numbers do not support their victimhood fantasy. This scenario is a very rare event in the real world. In comparison to the scenario of someone making false claim against a lawyer or cop for revenge, which is a very common scenario.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 07:54 AM
3

Do you find your life satisfying?
/r/MensRights20/12/12 07:46 AM
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I do always wonder when feminists say how little represented women are in history that shouldn't that be an example of female laziness?
/r/MensRights20/12/12 07:43 AM
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It has to be stressed that it doesn't matter. Having a lot of partners doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a chav. Someone who stresses about it I can only assume is either not getting any sex and is bitter, which does deserve sympathy and I'm sure is a big reason for male suicides, or conversely is someone who simply sees partners as a notch in the bedposts type thing, which is dehumanizing (but it's a free world). So having said that, on the male side the rich and famous get lots of free new…
/r/MensRights20/12/12 07:39 AM
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This thread again. Answers are in the faq.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 07:30 AM
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www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf I have no stance either way, just saw this study and thought it was relevant.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 01:22 AM
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Ok but you can still control your kids using 'strength', and it is still true that being a wilting damsel doesn't work on kids and can be quiet abusive.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 08:24 PM
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He mentions the high male suicide rate, a disgusting example of blame the victim, and also something that is not a recent development.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 08:14 PM
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Better educated is not an argument. Another red herring. I have provided a link to multiple studies. I have provided a book full of multiple studies. I edited my previous post - this is not a ninja edit, I just didn't imagine you would reply in the millisecond between my first posting and then editing my post. You are posting arguments that I've already answered. Your criticism while exciting is not a substitute for an actual argument, and is not salient in itself. For an educated person you are…
/r/MensRights18/12/12 10:41 AM
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Mrref is full of academic information. Mensrightslinks is full of academic information. The book I linked to is full of academic information. Information good, you getting angry irrelevant. Your steak example is dishonest. A better analogy is someone asking how long to cook a steak, someone giving an answer, then you saying that that answer is full of crap, me saying no it isn't, then you demanding evidence, me giving a location full of evidence, you demanding I hold your hand and demanding cert…
/r/MensRights18/12/12 10:30 AM
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This is not us writing essays, this is us trying to educate each other. I can't give you a degree, but you can use this forum to learn new information or the errors in your information. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Violence-Reflections-Deadliest-Epidemic-Forensic/dp/1853028428 That book has statistics on divorce, single parents and crime.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 10:08 AM
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I told you were to go for information?
/r/MensRights18/12/12 09:59 AM
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There is no audience genius, it's you learning and me learning. (Or whatever it is you are doing).
/r/MensRights18/12/12 09:52 AM
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In regard to the amount of people not earning anything, I've never had any work done on my house that wasn't cash in hand, including a fru fru pair of women hired to pick out the furniture. Doola - cash in hand etc etc.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 09:50 AM
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I can definitely say I've seen spurious restraining orders against male relatives.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 09:07 AM
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Apex fallacy.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 08:58 AM
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Have you read the news? Men overall are being blamed for the actions of one spree killer. It is important to remember there are female mass murderers.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 08:56 AM
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This is putting ideology before evidence. Also downvoting for linking to Jezebel. Sorry.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 07:51 AM
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For the citation look in mrref or mensrightlinks.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 07:46 AM
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This assumes there is any connection between spree killers. If we had 20 murderers to look at there might be no similarities - they might all share something that with a larger number of cases to look at we would say is rare in murderers. We have a large number of criminals to look at, so we can say meaningful things about their backgrounds, we have a small number of spree killers to look at so we can't say anything meaningful about their background. It was not empty-headed conjecture. Most of t…
/r/MensRights17/12/12 08:08 PM
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This argument doesn't work. The advertiser doesn't know what American masculinity is. He doesn't define it. If you want to understand American masculinity look at the numbers. Crime as a tiny minority, a lot of work, football, etc.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 07:48 PM
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I think it is important to hold parents responsible for their children's actions - But I don't think parents are always at fault. And I don't think merely saying she owns a lot of guns and is stockpiling and saying she's therefore nuts is good science. I've known lots of people in 'cults' they are not dangerous or deranged (that I've known).
/r/MensRights17/12/12 07:42 PM
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There is a massive link between single parent-hood and crime/ self destructive behavior. Don't be lazy, look it up in mensrightslinks, or mrref. Educate yourself.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 07:40 PM
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I guess you could pass that off as something else when disassembled, or maybe I've been watching too many movies. This is a very oblique way of approaching the question of the essentials of male behavior.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 07:37 PM
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Teenagers are desperate for sex, so they can no longer be a virgin etc. 17 Year olds with 15 year olds is very typical, most my friends, did this.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 01:28 PM
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I'm not trying to attack you, it just seemed a very specific answer to a wide range of people, though I'm not saying it's wrong - it's perfectly possibly for a society to create a specific issue for all it's members.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 01:23 PM
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This begs the question, were you mentally ill or is that blame the victim. It seems like you we're driven to confusion by the attacks of others. There is a tendency in America for very authoritarian parenting, and to over punish difficult behaviour. It is normal for children and adults to rebel and misbehave.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 08:00 AM
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I've seen a divorced couple who still live in the same house, there is some sniping, but they both appreciate the child care.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 07:31 AM
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I assume you think this applies to most people, not that you see something in what I said to make this apply specifically to me?
/r/MensRights17/12/12 07:23 AM
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Ugh, most first world countries have free birth control, it's not really a left v right thing. I think it is ok for a person to feel annoyed at paying tax to help others who never say any sort of thank you, or rather the opposite, treat him like a bastard for having the money to give them. On an individual basis (and only an individual basis) it is sad that a person can have a good quality such as making money, yet still be undesirable. It's only individual though because of course it is up to w…
/r/MensRights16/12/12 09:09 PM
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This is not at all familiar to me. It's a pity this is more upvoted than the more salient submissions.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 09:06 PM
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Yep.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 01:33 PM
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She should be asking you not telling you.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 11:33 AM
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The fact that this submission has been downvoted is what is wrong with this forum.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 11:31 AM
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These two things are not mutually exclusive. We can say dogs are faster than cats, and have A cat that is faster than A dog. (I am not saying dogs are faster than cats, just a hypothetical. But I assume they are).
/r/MensRights16/12/12 11:30 AM
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-Eats cake-
/r/MensRights16/12/12 08:55 AM
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Hardly anyone goes to mensrightslinks it looks like.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 08:00 AM
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Why is this downvoted?
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:58 AM
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It's possible it does affect men and that's why they are more sexual, that we have been socially programmed to be so. (This isn't my position, just a position).
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:57 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEsbY1-9UYg hehehe. I don't think we want to become hypersensitive like feminists, but rather we want women to stop being hypersensitive (in culture to individually) and for cuntpuncher jokes to be just as acceptable.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:55 AM
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On a message board people who are undecided or mostly in agreement but not vehemently so, don't post, so it isn't necessarily the case that most people disagree with you.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:52 AM
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Wow! Accused criminal not convicted! What sort of legal system do we have! This happens all the time for all crimes! shocking! Seriously though I vaguely remember reading that most criminals commit like 20 crimes before they are actually convicted of one. (Not to say it isn't too aggressive at the same time).
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:50 AM
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It is important to avoid opinion and feelings, lots of people will want the answer to be yes or no, and try to look at what the numbers suggest. There are less male prostitutes. At the same time it's possible people's actual desires are mitigated by circumstances in culture - which are either indicative of the desires of most people, or simply random.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:42 AM
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What is cake day?
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:37 AM
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As far as I remember they are adults targeting underage (as they see it) girls. My sympathy for people ends when they use someone younger than themself. Of course it would be better if the show was about helping this people rather than threatening them - at the same time, they need a reality check.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:29 AM
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I think it's probably this.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:27 AM
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I don't think it's this. I've been married to my wife for a while, I'm actually pushing her to try an open marriage. Other than that I've never felt getting a date to be that stressful or competitive.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:25 AM
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I think I dislike/ like my parents equally, now at least, maybe I did prefer my mum when I was younger though.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:12 AM
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Since you aren't trying to debate or state your position, but rather using personal attacks, it really does look like you are a troll though doesn't it?
/r/MensRights16/12/12 07:11 AM
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I like black people more than hispanic people TIL
/r/MensRights15/12/12 08:07 PM
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Some men prefer men to women though, and some women, not a tiny amount of people.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 07:48 PM
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Downvotes. Ummm why? Edit- guess it was just random, derp.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 06:04 PM
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Violence-Reflections-Deadliest-Epidemic-Forensic/dp/1853028428 Yes it's a book, I get my info from books not Internet articles, it's inconvenient at moments like this. I can't recommend this book enough though.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 05:35 PM
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There just aren't articles to link too.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 05:30 PM
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This is the second time a concern troll has started a thread to criticise my posts this week. Do I win a prize? Also what is the point of men's rights meta?
/r/MensRights15/12/12 04:59 PM
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To summarise what if women were domineering and wanted to fuck you. Answer I would say no and no. Then go away and worry about real problems. Answer b, I would say yes and yes, then enjoy getting stuff done for me and having sex, profit. Question what if women never took responsibility, never helped, didn't want to have sex with you called you disgusting for wanting to have sex with them and could put you in prison for wanting it.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 04:46 PM
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Black women are more likely to murder than white men in America.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 04:30 PM
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Humorous should not be appropriate or nice.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 04:22 PM
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That there is epistemic hegemony in the establishment, academia, zeitgeist and culture, just not on what it is.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 04:18 PM
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Check my posting history, it is very rare for me to let a spelling error through. Hats off to you for being the sort of person to note that rare slip and helpfully point it out.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 08:55 AM
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No true Scotsman, right? True feminists don't make ad hominems either I imagine ;)
/r/MensRights15/12/12 08:54 AM
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Why be so generous? If they are stupid, leave them to suffer their own stupidity. If they are wrong the same. Aggression is self defeating in the long run.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:37 PM
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My point still stands.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:30 PM
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Only if they are actually suffering, not just if they are pissed or sad.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:29 PM
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The real question is why is anyone discussing the trials of a celebrity with no real problems.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:26 PM
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They made money from that picture, why would they not have taken it?
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:25 PM
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Usa doesn't especially have an issue with murders by white men rather than other colors. So white men and schools might just be a statistical anomaly, which are the norm rather than the opposite. Other than that maybe schools are seen as especially hostile to white men? I'm not American, the race situation is something I haven't experienced.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:22 PM
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Who said the goal was dialogue with feminists? I thought it was about education and individual empowerment.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:17 PM
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Green was the asshole, red was merely weak enough to reply as baited. Honestly this is the internet, this is what it's like. I've only seen otherwise communities under 100 members. Though the mods here are responsible for the tone here to some degree. Neither red nor green is essentially bad, they just both are tired of trolls and are asking for their message to be respected, not to merely have the same demand tennis balled back at them. I do my best to be respectful, but people here are jumping…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 04:25 PM
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