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She probably just didn't think you were as attractive as she hoped from your pictures. This happens to men all the time too. Online dating isn't all that different from blind dating since you don't actually know what they look like IRL. Typically it's height for men (shorter than she expected) and weight for women (heavier than her photos)
/r/seduction27/07/26 10:17 PM
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How do you even have an hour long convo at a nightclub? Usually it's too loud to hear someone right next to you. Anyway yes most likely they just wanted free drinks. Most women who go to nightclubs are just there to dance with friends and tease guys for free drinks. The few who are actually down to meet men are going to make out with you within 15 min on the dance floor. Usually not much gray area. It's one or the other.
/r/seduction27/07/26 10:15 PM
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At your height you should get off the apps completely and just meet women in person. Even if you do get a match, a good chunk of them will ghost you after the first date because they'll feel deceived by your height. Dating apps should just be a supplement to getting dates, not your primary medium.
/r/seduction27/07/26 10:11 PM
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In general you typically have to sleep with them first and most importantly fuck them right (make them cum at least once). Unless you're ridiculously attractive or famous, can't lead with those intentions before you even kiss them. Or just go to bars/clubs on a crowded dance floor where most people are there after a certain hour of night only really looking to hookup anyway.
/r/seduction27/07/26 10:04 PM
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If your body is hurting down when you see an attractive women, that says you need to work on your self confidence. But short answer is yes if you're living with your parents AND have zero confidence/game, you have pretty much no shot with ladies unless you're extremely attractive.
/r/seduction27/07/26 10:00 PM
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No therapy is pretty overrated especially for relationship stuff like this. You need to just try it and see if you like it. Jump in the deep end of the pool. I live by the philosophy don't knock it until you try it. So I've tried all kinds of women and now I know what I like/don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 09:57 PM
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Yes but you need to get good at it. Which means be confident, direct/assertive, and most importantly go for realistic targets in terms of relative attractiveness and age range. If you're a 6, go for 5s and 6s. Not 8s and 9s. And of course you need to remember that it's very much a numbers game. You have to be ready to deal with LOTS of rejection. I've gotten thousands of numbers in my life through cold approach. Which means I've gotten rejected tens of thousands of times. To get good at it you n…
/r/seduction27/07/26 09:20 PM
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He more direct and assertive. Don't let him swoop in your prime target and have him engage with the other women in the group.
/r/seduction27/07/26 07:25 PM
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Confidence only really matters for cold approach. Sounds like you're just doing online dating so the point is moot. It's just dating a book by its cover. Dating apps only really work for conventionally attractive men (tall, white, handsome). If you're a short Asian guy for example, complete waste of time.
/r/seduction27/07/26 01:21 AM
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That's impressive bro. But as you've realized it takes more than just a good career/income to attract women. Need to have a baseline level of physical attractiveness and charisma, aka ability to make a woman laugh. If you can't make her laugh, you can't get her in bed (eventually). Also other big factor is being realistic in who you target. Unless you're ridiculously attractive or famous, women are never going to approach a man. You have to initiate and pursue. The type of women who are usually …
/r/seduction26/07/26 07:37 PM
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Lol no of course you can't say this out loud to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:29 PM
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My point there is that Chads are more than happy to smash and dash a 5 but it leads these mediocre women thinking thats their level now. So relatively avg men have arguably more competition for the avg women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:28 PM
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Yeah it didn't really clarify what he meant by uggos but I think he means just a bit below his SMV. So if he thinks he's a 6 or 7, he's going for women 1-2 points below him. Most men ideally want at least a soft 7 as a girlfriend, but they're cool with stopping a bit lower for relatively easy/low effort sex. A lot of men, especially those who don't actually go out and make approaches do have that hot/uggo mindset but of guys who actually get laid consistently, it's these mediocre looking women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:59 PM
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I mostly agree with OP's take. I think you may be misinterpreting what he means by "uggos". I'm thinking mid/average women in the 4-6 range. On the non-delusional male rating scale that actually goes 1-10...not just start at 6 like it does in most women's minds. Most of the women I've slept with are in this range. Think a 30-35 yr old white woman in America who's 30-40 lbs overweight, no kids, decently cute face but nothing to write home about. I've also been with a handful of very attractive wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:44 PM
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I've been saying this for years. Most men who get have high body counts aren't regularly smashing very attractive women. I'm in the high double digits and the vast majority of women I've slept with are in the 4-6 range. I'd say I'm about a 7. Sad reality is that the most effective/realistic way to get laid is to date down, especially if you're just looking for casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:29 PM
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I would never trust a young female therapist so no.
/r/seduction21/07/26 10:25 PM
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Online dating a is really just a white man's game. Focus solely on cold approach. Too many subconscious biases when swiping online.
/r/seduction15/07/26 02:45 AM
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Yes most women have plenty of options for casual flings (sex). But the vast majority of these women can't get commitment/serious relationship from the type of man she's very interested in. She can get a date anytime she wants, but doesn't mean he has any serious intentions with her.
/r/seduction14/07/26 04:45 PM
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When she flakes on a date last min just tell her ball is in her court for rescheduling. She will text back and make plans if she's interested. She won't if she was planning on playing you all along.
/r/seduction23/06/26 05:38 PM
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Short answer is no you're not too old. But given that you're even asking this question it sounds like you're very insecure and have limited social skills/charisma. At the very least cold approach will help you build social skills in terms of striking up conversations with strangers. That's a very valuable trait to have in general.
/r/seduction22/06/26 07:47 PM
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Most relatively avg guys who sleep with tons of women are mostly banging pretty mid chicks like 4-6. Only obscenely handsome guys are having casual sex with 8s and 9s.
/r/seduction19/06/26 05:55 AM
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Very much a numbers game. If you really care about it, need to be doing at least 10 approaches a week.
/r/seduction19/06/26 05:50 AM
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Personally I wouldn't do it. Especially if I haven't met her in person yet. Most online dates are underwhelming (fatter) than their photos. You're going to be too much in your head about making it feel special since it's your birthday rather than just treating it like any normal date. You'll put too much pressure on yourself. This is assuming you're relatively novice in terms of game/dating experience.
/r/seduction17/06/26 04:33 PM
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Bro absolutely do not do this. Women don't want to hear about other women like this.
/r/seduction15/06/26 04:06 PM
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Well said. But don't take "equal" quite literally. Most women still fully expect the man to lead in relationships. Whether that be paying for the bill on dates, making decisions for them, or protecting them by walking on the outside of the sidewalk. You still have to "act like a man".
/r/seduction15/06/26 02:08 PM
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There's very few women who are are genuinely into this in reality. Like maybe 10% at most in America.
/r/seduction13/06/26 05:09 PM
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Well said. Just don't be fat like more than 20 lbs overweight for your height. Huge difference between avg and fat but very marginal returns from being ripped/jacked vs avg fit physique. Height, race, overall facial handsomeness, and having a full head of hair are way more important than being ripped. And yes I know those are all basically beyond your control but that's just the harsh truth. For example, if you're under 5'7 it's pretty much all women will notice and no amount of fitness can real…
/r/seduction13/06/26 04:52 PM
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There's very few other than me I actually see IRL where I live who attempt day game tbh
/r/seduction11/06/26 05:20 AM
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This rating is kinda silly. If she has a 7 face and banging body she is pretty much a 9. Most men take both into consideration when putting a woman on the scale. Hence most butter faces are rated in the 6 range. Face leaves a lot for the wanting (below 5) but if she's slim and has some cans on her that can make up for a lot.
/r/seduction09/06/26 09:22 PM
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Big proponent of cold approach. Online dating only really works for the top 10% of conventionally attractive men. The same women who would've swiped no on me (literally see them on a dating app in the bar) give me their number and we eventually go on a date/fuck.
/r/seduction04/06/26 02:28 PM
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Usually I recommend getting eye contact and a smile first but yeah club game where it's so loud that you can't talk, it all comes down to raw physical attraction
/r/seduction24/05/26 08:15 PM
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Assume positive intent. She's probably actually genuinely into you. Just ask her out already bro.
/r/seduction13/05/26 09:08 PM
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I get it bro. Feels natural and the "right thing" to be honest and transparent, but this particular detail of your life will likely upset most women, especially if you go into detail about it. Not saying you should act like a virgin but just say you had a few girlfriends that didn't work out for whatever reason.
/r/seduction30/04/26 11:30 PM
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Compliment their outfits, dresses, and perfume. But not her beauty directly. Or maybe notice her new haircut/style and say you like the new look. Subtle flirting for a few weeks and just be chatty and ask how their weekend was. Do this with multiple women, even the married ones. You want your prime target to know that other women are interested in talking with you. This is called pre-selection.
/r/seduction30/04/26 02:44 PM
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Sounds like he might have trouble keeping it up during normal sex. Or some guys just prefer head to piv since he doesn't have to do any work and a quality bj does feel incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:55 AM
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In my mid thirties and also dealing with a similar struggle. Had plenty of success with casual flings and a few LTRs but only one I regretted breaking up with. I guess the best piece of advice I have as I'm still also trying to master this is to reveal as little about your fuckboy past as possible with a woman you see long term potential with. Most women internally feel have doubts and insecurities as to why you're choosing them after already being with so many women in the past. Keep all that c…
/r/seduction29/04/26 07:34 PM
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I call cap.
/r/seduction29/04/26 01:33 PM
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I'm avg height at 5'10 but the simplest advice I can give is that dating apps are a fools errand if you're below avg height. You should solely focus on meeting women IRL. Apps are like choosing off a menu for women. You're dead in the water if you're under 5'9 since most chicks assume you're exaggerating by at least an inch anyway.
/r/seduction29/04/26 02:40 AM
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Way back in freshman year of college, the campus bicycle (everyone gets a free ride) called me"kinda ugly" after I tried to escalate a few days after we had a sloppy make out at some frat party. She wasn't anything to write home about looks wise herself. Passed around by probably 20% of my dorm too so I'm glad I didn't catch anything.
/r/seduction22/04/26 12:55 PM
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Unless you already have wealth/fame/status, you pretty much need to be extremely attractive for women to actually approach you. One big component of this is height. If you're just an avg height guy, most women aren't just going to come up and talk to you.
/r/seduction16/04/26 12:27 AM
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Yes exactly. Speak softly and carry a big stick essentially. Don't say it out loud but still live by the principles
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:51 AM
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Exactly. It really is a numbers game at the end of the day. My body count is high double digits. But that took literally thousands of approaches over the years. I'd say 5% close rate is a pretty accurate (if not generous/conservative) for a fairly average guy.
/r/seduction14/04/26 11:51 PM
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Short answer is yes. Too many subconscious biases when swiping online. It's like ordering off a menu for women. Height and race are the first things a woman notices about you so if it's unfamiliar or she already has preconceived notions about what you may be like, she's going to have major hesitations and not swipe on you. At your height especially, you shouldn't have much trouble cleaning up in cold approach game. Get off the apps bro. I'm Indian American as well but almost 6 inches shorter tha…
/r/seduction14/04/26 02:38 PM
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Well said. Quality, consistent haircuts (at least every 4 weeks) and a well groomed beard are key. Also being well dressed and having proper shoes are important
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:51 PM
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Yeah most were from cold approaches. I'm saying don't waste time on dating apps unless you're conventionally attractive (tall, white, handsome). My point is you can still have success as an Indian guy but you need to actually work on your game rather than rely on passive methods like online dating. Way too many subconscious biases when swiping online.
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:36 PM
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I'd say #1 has gotta be Las Vegas of all the cities I've been to. And no I'm not referring to paying for it. They don't call it Sin City for nothing. People go there to get wild, cheat on their partners, etc. Probably have had more hookups in vegas than any city I've actually lived in full time.
/r/seduction13/04/26 02:26 PM
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Yeah bro I'm of Indian origin raised and living in America. Same deal. Make the most of the cards you're dealt. I worked a lot of my game and focused on cold approach. Online dating is pretty much a fools errand if you're not white. Been on 400+ dates in my life. High double digit count.
/r/seduction13/04/26 02:01 PM
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Yes I'm referring to first dates only here. I just really enjoy meeting new people and yeah I guess I had a fair amount of time. But it just comes to prioritization. Of course some led to second dates or beyond but not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:05 AM
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Lol it's really not all that wild. I just said dates. Not body count or anything. Just do the math. 2 dates a week for a year is about 100 dates. So if you're just serially dating like that for 4 years, that's 400. Mine was spread out over 10+ years and a couple of LTRs. Mid thirties now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:13 PM
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I disagree. Best to actually go out into the world and touch grass rather than just reading articles and what reddit says women are actually like. Just go out and find for yourself. Meet people in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:04 PM
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Yes I have. And no I don't expect her to actually pull out her phone on the date but most straight, feminine, attractive women (my general type) don't ever even mention such topics or reddit in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:03 PM
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Exactly. I don't think I've any of the women I've ever been on a date with (400+) spend any time on reddit, let alone talking about / being aware of things like female dating strategy. In America, the typical 20-40 yr old single woman is just doom scrolling IG and tiktok in between swiping on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:40 PM
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Oh this makes it pretty brutal to build that tension obviously. You have to mitigate friction as much as possible and the separate cars thing just give her way too much time to change her mind and make an excuse/bail. Next time you should both take an Uber and meet there. Or pick her up in your car and not drink too much.
/r/seduction12/04/26 06:40 PM
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These are men no longer interested in having kids. That's a whole different ball game.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:49 PM
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A girl you're dating told you all this detail about a past sexual encounter? Hate to break it to you but either she's not all that into you or she's still traumatized and not ready to date yet. As for if it's SA or not, all I'll say is there's 3 sides to every story. What she said, what he said, and what actually happened. Never 100% overlap between the 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:05 AM
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These are just observations I've gathered from 400+ first dates. Yes many women I've met in this age range literally have said they are sad because they're single and their friends are getting married. Younger women can get upset about this of course as well but they have youth on their side to still have hope and less family/societal pressure to commit sooner rather than later. And yeah of course men have to actually have achieved some success at a later stage in life to increase their value, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:54 AM
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From extensive anecdotal experience of dating in America, I'd argue the trauma/baggage of a typical 34 yr old woman is substantially higher than that of a 24 yr old. Heck even the gap between 29 to 34 is a lot. Every year past 30 the trauma gets exponentially deeper because that's another year she's not "chosen" and her biological clock is ticking. Most women deep down know that most men value their looks and fertility above all else. There's a reason SMV for women is so strongly correlated with…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:52 AM
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One strategy I use sometimes is talking about past relations and dating history on the date. Obviously don't reveal too many details but it shows that you've had your fair share of experiences with women. And you're selective and have options. Dated around but it just didn't work out so I'm back on the market. But if you actually don't have any substantive dating history to speak of, don't just lie and make up a web of stories.
/r/seduction07/04/26 02:17 PM
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Little better than OP's situation since you're paying the mortgage in this case but still far from ideal especially when it comes to bringing back women.
/r/seduction07/04/26 02:44 AM
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Tbh it's a pretty big deal for most women. For context I'm 33 and have dated in various American cities I've lived in (not small towns). But of course if you're super attractive or have tremendous game, you can make up for this. But from what you said, it sounds like you're pretty inexperienced ("ok social skills"), so this will be an uphill battle. It wouldn't be as big of a deal if you had roommates and lived in a high cost of living city at your age. Parents is a whole different ball game. Li…
/r/seduction06/04/26 09:44 PM
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As a straight man, I'd just assume he's either gay or just really desperate and trying to play the long game (if he insists he's straight). This almost never works obviously. If she doesn't have sexual desire from you early on, it can't really build over a friendship. One of the biggest myths women tell you. I only have 1 close friend that's a female and just don't find it natural to build genuine organic relationships with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:00 PM
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Just spit it out man. Why can't you be in a romantic relationship with her? Can't give you a real answer unless you provide some real details. Yes the reason matters. If it's because she's just really fat and you're not physically attracted to her, that will require a different approach than if it's because of long distance.
/r/seduction06/04/26 05:22 PM
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I've been practicing this the last couple years I've been more intentionally dating. On first dates, I like to get deep. Pretty much nothing is off the table. Politics, family dynamic, religion, dating history. I don't do online dating or much small talk over text. I save all these deep topics for the actual in person date. This way you both can get a much stronger vibe about the other by the end of the date and see if it's worth pursuing more dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:50 PM
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Club game is pretty much all about raw physical attraction. Doesn't really matter what you say since they can't really hear you anyway.
/r/seduction05/04/26 06:27 AM
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Yes but also be realistic with who you cold approach. She should be in the same general range in terms of age and attractiveness level
/r/seduction04/04/26 06:31 PM
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Appreciate the details. Good points. I've been running game for years now too and could definitely see those working. I usually don't do the massage thing but the micro escalation in general is one of those I practice as well.
/r/seduction02/04/26 10:57 PM
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Grinding without a makeout doesn't mean anything. If you didn't even kiss, she didn't want to go home with you bro
/r/seduction02/04/26 10:08 PM
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Cool story bro. Not saying it's not true but you left out a lot. What did you actually talk about? How exactly did you pique her interest other than the shoulder massage and pulling back?
/r/seduction02/04/26 10:04 PM
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Sounds like you're actually expecting women to come up to you and approach. If you catch her looking, you need to go in for the close. It's all a numbers game at the end of the day. If you're looking to build a roster and/or have options, you should be making at least 10 approaches a week.
/r/seduction02/04/26 09:38 PM
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Calling her attractive and asking her on a proper date is flirting. The problem is when you leave it ambiguous like you would be cool with just being their friend.
/r/seduction02/04/26 03:09 PM
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Lol at the app/settings specification. Age 33 man in America. High double digits. Not sure exact number. About 75% were from cold approaches and the rest were online.
/r/seduction02/04/26 01:32 AM
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I think you're confusing men having lower standards for who they sleep with vs who they commit to. Yes men are less picky about choosing sexual partners. But for serious dating/marriage, we have different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:04 PM
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Oh yeah I definitely communicated this from the outset with my last serious gf. She knew I wasn't going to stick around it she started withholding sex
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:37 PM
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The woman has to initiate and lead the whole thing in terms of selecting the other girl. No chance if she's expecting you to get a third to join. They don't call them unicorns for nothing lol
/r/seduction01/04/26 01:47 PM
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Unpopular opinion: before marriage, it's not cheating if you haven't slept with them in over a month. Unless there's some serious medical conditions or other extreme situations, I'm single in my mind if she hasn't slept with me in over 30 days. But I wouldn't let it get to that point. Would just break up before.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:25 PM
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Yup. Another reason why to aim a bit below your league if you've been in a dry spell for a while (or are just looking for a quick win). Much higher chance she'll have a higher level of attraction to you than your dream woman.
/r/seduction01/04/26 01:20 PM
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First date I always do drinks (alcohol). Loosens the inhibitions and it's just more casual and relaxed than tea/coffee (feels less like a job interview). Slowly build escalation by doing light touches of her elbow/back/knee to see how she reacts and gauge her overall receptiveness. Ideally don't sit across from each other but side by side so you can get closer and eventually go for the kiss.
/r/seduction31/03/26 04:37 PM
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Agreed. I just like the first handful of videos about game
/r/seduction31/03/26 03:24 AM
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https://youtu.be/Vh0hj9ZD9FY?si=eN1GUBxzovJKDj_j. Yeah hoe math is great. Basically he points out that women always date up and only ridiculously good looking dudes or guys who have tremendous wealth/status are pulling the 8+ chicks.
/r/seduction31/03/26 02:26 AM
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Women's SMV is rated as the quality of the man she can secure commitment from. A man's SMV is rated as the quality (in terms of looks) and quantity of women he can sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:12 AM
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Yeah or when people met as kids/teenagers they can be friends first. Grown ass adults typically have no actual genuine interest in making friends with opposite sex people they're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:05 AM
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Ok then yeah I've paid for her flight in those situations. And she stays with me at my place and we just fuck like rabbits all weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:59 PM
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If you both are going somewhere that's not the town you live in, I think it's more reasonable for them to pay for their own flights and the man to cover the hotel and most other expenses. That's what I've done for most casual flings when we've gone on trips together.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:51 PM
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I don't do online dating at all anymore and still agree being friends with a woman you're romantically interested in is an absolutely idiotic idea. Even if meeting via social circles, a man needs to be direct and assertive from the outset about his intentions from the outset.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:47 PM
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Just having dudes you can pound beers with and shoot the breeze about anything. Have you tried making friends at your workplace or through sports leagues? I'm the same age but not married. Some of my friends who got married young also pretty much have no social life outside of their wife and I don't envy it tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:45 PM
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I don't schedule dates more than a 10 min walk away from my place. Also don't have roommates. The less friction and excuses she has to change her mind, the better. So yes, your situation is far from ideal but not impossible to close (looks are the great equalizer). It just makes it substantially harder. Also you shouldn't be driving to the bar/club assuming you've been drinking. If you don't live walking distance to the bar district, just pick a closer bar that you can get to with a cheap Uber r…
/r/seduction30/03/26 09:41 PM
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It depends on how the first date goes of course. Usually if we at least have a decent makeout we make soft plans at the end of the date. Then finalize plans over text a few days later. But if the first date doesn't end in a kiss, I'm not even attempting to ask her on a second date.
/r/seduction30/03/26 03:02 PM
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Well I'm not saying an 8 can't/won't be a freak. Just that's she's less likely to. And I don't really do that anymore. Trying to more intentionally date chicks who are attractive enough for gf potential and don't just use them for easy sex.
/r/seduction29/03/26 09:27 PM
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Agreed. Also just a confidence boost but it does indeed get old and made me just use sex for validation. Also from my anecdotal experience, the lesser attractive ones are way freakier in bed and it becomes unhealthy/unrealsitic to expect the gf material 6-8s to be that nasty in bed. For example, I once had a fat chick blow me for 75 min right in front of my ground floor apt window while I gave her short breaks to fetch me a beer and do my laundry. I finally finished on her face when I was satisf…
/r/seduction29/03/26 05:20 PM
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Dating is a budget item. If you can't afford to take women out and spend a little money on drinks, you shouldn't be dating at the moment. Sounds like you're primarily just looking to build your roster of fuck buddies and not actually date for LTR potential. So I'd say the best course of action is to just keep your current stable of women on your roster for as long as you can and take a pause from chasing new prospects.
/r/seduction26/03/26 02:37 PM
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Men are simpler and less picky
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:55 PM
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Yeah exactly. He's conventionally attractive, aka tall, white, and handsome. This can only work if you're actually getting a lot of matches.
/r/seduction24/03/26 02:18 PM
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Ok so are you saying you've actually had success with this approach? How many times have you attempted this dress shopping strategy and how many of those led to some action at the end of the date?
/r/seduction23/03/26 10:52 PM
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This is likely to overwhelm and scare away lots of women. Are you trying to be some kind of a sugar daddy? How are you meeting these women? Honestly this is fascinating and I'm genuinely curious how this approach has actually worked for you.
/r/seduction23/03/26 10:00 PM
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Wow bro this is incredibly thirsty for a first date. Shouldn't set the precedent that you'll be constantly buying her gifts before you've even had a proper conversation with her.
/r/seduction23/03/26 07:47 PM
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This post has no legitimacy because OP doest know the difference between 'of' and 'off'.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:42 PM
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Don't ask a fish how to fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:12 PM
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I don't think this is a "young woman" thing. The vast majority of women I've encountered of all ages definitely prefer to be absolutely dominated in bed and sex to be fairly rough. High double digit body count as 33M in America. Dated/fucked ranges 20-55
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:58 PM
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I think you're misinterpreting the term value when it comes to calculating a woman's SMV. Yes these women may come from Daddy's money but the reason they're chosen is because they're physically attractive and fertile (young age). A 34 yr old high IQ high earning lawyer has absolutely no higher chance of finding a high value man. These are the delusional women that RP men are talking about. They'd much rather pick the hot barista than the successful career woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:45 PM
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Drinks are cheaper and lower time commitment than dinner. And yes compared to coffee it's a disinhibitor rather than a stimulant. And if the date is going really well you can't really ever have more than 1 coffee. If it's going poorly, you can cut it off after 20-30 min after you finish the first drink and say you have other plans.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:39 PM
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Yeah I thought this was pretty well known. Chad gets to have the cake for free but she charges the mid tier guys full price for the same thing. Raw physical attraction is the single greatest factor in how into you she will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:26 PM
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Agreed. I think a lot of women fail to realize how attractive she is to him is directly correlated to how well he will treat her and care for her. And yes this largely comes down to physical attraction. If I think she's an 8 in my eyes and pretty much the best I can do or my "dream woman", I'm going to put in substantially more effort and treat her better than if I viewed her as a 6. I remember I once brought a woman (mid-thirties) flowers a couple weeks into casually dating and she literally cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:13 PM
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Unless you're a top 5% looking guy, you have to at least take them on a date or 2 before getting to the bedroom. And then if you fuck her right a few times, you can try to propose just keeping it a casual thing. Can't say you just want a fuck buddy before even meeting up. Have to at least insinuate that you're looking for a relationship down the line. Most women don't want to actually know they're primarily just being used for sex.
/r/seduction18/03/26 01:48 PM
1

Get better friends bro. They should encourage and help facilitate your game, not inhibit it.
/r/seduction16/03/26 09:47 PM
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Bro she just wanted the d. Not every chick is going to want a relationship. Take the win and keep her on the roster to take care of your needs while you keep dating around to find some LTR potential.
/r/seduction16/03/26 09:29 PM
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Yes exactly. Also a good chunk of the fat people OP is referring to are older, married people who are not actively in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:21 PM
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If it doesn't end with a kiss that's not going well imo. I always go for the kiss if the date has lasted at least 2 hours or so. If she gives me the cheek turn and/or says she doesn't kiss on the first date, I move on and never talk to her again. A kiss is just the simplest affirmation that you like someone.
/r/seduction16/03/26 08:54 PM
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Yes I was following these principles long before I discovered such content about 2 years ago. I'm 33 for context. High double digit body count. For example, I never try to be friends with a woman. Always state my romantic intentions from the outset. Compliment her looks first. Primarily talk about dating/sex on the first date and not make it like an interview. Just tell her fun stories and make her laugh. I can't remember the last time I bought a proper sit down dinner without first having sex w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:48 PM
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Yeah in modern day connotation, feminism is a very dirty word. Essentially a bitter miserable man hater.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:53 PM
1

Agreed. Dudes complaining about this are referring to going on dates with 34 yr old woman who are 40 lbs overweight and still not able to smash within 2 dates and spending hundreds of dollars. You just gotta work on your game at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:02 AM
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Never let the woman pick where to go. Most prefer the man to make the decision anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:42 PM
1

Yeah if you're a top 5% looking guy you can get away with this by just having them come straight over to your place
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:41 PM
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Yeah for real. Dating is just a line item in a single man's budget. If you have game and know how to close you'll get some once in a while too. Only dudes who complain about paying are the ones who can't even somehow get a kiss by the end of the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:08 PM
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Male nurse. The one male nurse I knew personally was an absolute lady slayer. He was regularly having threesomes and a new chick at least every week. Surrounded by young attractive feminine women and pretty much the only man around them all day for 12 hours.
/r/seduction13/03/26 05:13 PM
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Women love a guy who can tell a fun story. If you can't make her laugh, you can't bed her. Simple as that. Get out of your house and do things other than work. Travel and just explore around a different country for a week. Should have enough savings if you've been working so hard and not going on dates for so long.
/r/seduction12/03/26 09:49 PM
1

Not until you've already had sex with her.
/r/seduction12/03/26 09:36 PM
5

Was she wearing a ring? 99% of married women wear a ring in public (at least in America). Always look for the left ring finger before even thinking about going for the approach. Time is money.
/r/seduction12/03/26 09:35 PM
4

Bro why are you offering to buy a whole group of women drinks before even talking to them? Just wait until the one you're interested in goes to the bar and approach her solo.
/r/seduction12/03/26 09:33 PM
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Unless you're obscenely attractive, you have to at least take them out for drinks at a dive bar and then can hookup on the first date. Very few women are actually ready to go straight to a guys place or invite him over without first meeting him in a public place. This is of course assuming you met online. Much easier to skip the date when you just meet at a bar/club and there's instant chemistry and you can read signals she's ready to go that night.
/r/seduction12/03/26 08:57 PM
0

Submissive outside of a bedroom context is generally code for feminine, non-combative, and compliant. Have your opinions but expect and let the man lead. Don't be difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:14 PM
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Interesting take. Definitely should at least go for the kiss by the end of the first date (if it's going well of course) though or else she'll think you're not attracted to her, vice versa.
/r/seduction10/03/26 07:02 PM
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Same can apply in other party places like Vegas. Decent tips overall. Most importantly, just make a LOT of approaches and don't be afraid of rejection.
/r/seduction10/03/26 02:43 PM
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Can attest to this. Usually talk about dating/sex on dates and most women seem to be quite enamored by it for whatever reason.
/r/seduction06/03/26 11:25 PM
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You can't win the lottery unless you buy a ticket. Shoot your shot and don't be afraid of rejection. But of course be realistic with who you target and use common sense like looking for a ring before you approach her.
/r/seduction05/03/26 10:46 PM
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Reading between the lines it sounds like she's on the heavier side than your ideal type. That's usually what the hidden meaning of "cute" is. Good enough to sleep with for a few months but just not attractive enough for long term keeper potential since you're not proud to introduce her to friends/family. I've been there more times than I'd like to admit but it typically just lasts a couple weeks or maybe 3 months max. Don't waste any more of her time or yours. 6 months is plenty of time to have …
/r/seduction05/03/26 02:44 PM
2

IRL very few women have ever even tried an actual dildo. Most just use a small vibrator when playing with themselves. Only one of the nearly hundred women I've slept with had a dildo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 04:21 PM
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I guess because they have more to compare it to. But just spit balling here. High double digit body count and I've never had a woman actually say she prefers bigger or anything like that. I'm sure some of them were fairly experienced before meeting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 03:09 PM
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I think the true size queens are the ones who are very sexually experienced themselves. Like at least a few dozen sexual partners. The typical woman who's only been with a handful of guys is going to be just fine with an avg dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 02:54 PM
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Game at the end of the day is basically just manipulation. The vast majority of men can't outright say they're only interested in casual sex and typically have to at least suggest that there's potential for you to commit eventually. Only the top 5% or so of conventionally attractive men can propose a strictly physical relationship before even going on a date. I usually get the cake within 2-3 dates but it's all still just a big game when you know internally she's just good for a few months max a…
/r/seduction04/03/26 02:50 PM
1

Don't disagree with those principles you state like not putting her on a pedestal. Just very weird to phrase it as treat her like your little sister.
/r/seduction02/03/26 09:06 PM
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Dress feminine (dresses, etc.), wear makeup and look presentable in general. Smile and look approachable. Don't wear headphones in public anywhere where you might want to be approached
/r/seduction02/03/26 05:42 PM
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Never heard this nonsense
/r/seduction02/03/26 05:39 PM
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Yeah typically early to mid thirties brunette with no soul left in their eyes by the time they come around to me.
/r/seduction02/03/26 05:38 PM
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Yeah I've asked out a handful from offices I've worked at. Just look for the ring and treat it like any other cold approach pretty much. Gauge receptiveness and go from there. Only rule I have is not dating people from my exact same department. If there's over a thousand people where you work, it's not really all that different than meeting at a coffee shop.
/r/seduction01/03/26 09:00 PM
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Lunch date is an awful idea in general as it's too time constrained especially on a weekday assuming one of you has to get back to work. Also it's awkward to go for a first kiss in daylight. First dates should always be in the evening if possible. The point of any date is to feel a spark. Assuming you met online so basically she's saying she wants to see if she's still actually physically attracted to you in person and you look like your photos. Also you need to be able to make her laugh.
/r/seduction27/02/26 09:57 PM
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Yes just do it. Lesser attractive ones are usually more fun and giving in bed anyway
/r/seduction26/02/26 03:26 PM
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Agreed. Pretty much in the same boat. Not white and live in a majority white city in America. Not dashingly handsome or tall/muscular. Dating apps are a fools errand if you're not white. You have to have a model tier face and be tall to get any kind of traction if you're not white. Simple as that. The key is cold approaching and not being too picky. Be realistic with who you target. Will have much higher rates of success if you go for 6s vs 8s. Dated some wonderful woman who also happened to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:56 AM
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Well said. 5 rejections in a month are rookie numbers. A single night out at the bars can be 5 rejections in an hour
/r/seduction25/02/26 10:58 PM
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You never really need to ask if she has genuine burning desire for you. If it's your girl you should be able to tell when she's down (probably most of the time) and just go for it.
/r/seduction25/02/26 09:41 PM
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Yup that's what I suggested in the comment reply below. Almost impossible to do though.
/r/seduction25/02/26 01:39 AM
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Ok I'll keep it real with you bro. At your height dating apps are a fools errand. If you're truthful about being 5'6 you will either get literally filtered out or instant swipe left. So assuming your cold approach game is solid enough to actually get some dates, no absolutely don't tell them you don't still live with your parents and smoke weed all day. Even if she's in the same position. Remember women always expect and want to "date up". If you're not there yet, either keep it to yourself and …
/r/seduction24/02/26 11:33 PM
1

Well most women don't say they're looking for marriage/commitment on the first few dates. Most of my relationships have started "casual" and then progress to more serious/exclusive after a few months. Typically I have sex with a new partner by the third date (usually happens on the second). Simplest way for a woman to indicate she wants commitment first is to not give it up but that would filter out most desirable men since they can just get sex from the next woman who doesn't have such extreme …
/r/seduction24/02/26 11:14 PM
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Bro you're just describing any situation where you slept with a woman who wanted you to commit to her more seriously but you just didn't see her as "keeper" potential. She's cute/fun enough for a good time, but not a long time. So yes, by that definition I have. But we're all consenting adults here. In modern day dating culture, men are the gatekeepers of commitment while women are gatekeepers of sex. If she gives you sex before commitment, that's on her. Vast majority of women full well know th…
/r/seduction24/02/26 11:01 PM
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Lol you're just describing what dating app experience is if you're a conventionally attractive man. Is this some kind of trick question?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:07 PM
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Solid explanation. Only thing I'll add is that when they use the line "I kind of just started seeing someone" and leaves the door open to still get her number, this means she recently had sex with a new guy for the first time and is hoping he'll commit to her. So she knows she's still technically single but doesn't want to build a roster and sleep around. But the door is slightly open. In cases like this, you just need to be as direct and assertive as possible.
/r/seduction24/02/26 02:48 PM
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If you're the one who cut her off, it's risky to get back together. Coming back from a break can only really work if she's the one who cut it off initially.
/r/seduction23/02/26 05:59 PM
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Just ask her out for a drink after work and if she's into you she'll give you her number.
/r/seduction19/02/26 08:10 PM
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Short answer is yes. Race and ethnicity is the first thing people notice. Women in particular are generally attracted to "familiar phenotypes". Which basically means a man that looks similar to their father/brother and people she grew up around. So if you're not white and approaching white women (majority in a western country), it's definitely an uphill battle. For context I'm an Indian origin guy raised and living in America.
/r/seduction19/02/26 02:06 PM
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This is why it's always risky to actually try to be friends with a FWB. Women inevitably get jealous regardless of the "arrangement" you've set for the relationship. Sex is always at least somewhat emotional for them. It's almost never "just sex" as it is for men. When in such a situation, keep it purely physical. Just use each other for the physical connection but nothing more.
/r/seduction18/02/26 01:49 PM
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The vast majority of men don't regularly get approached by women. This is just the top 5% or so of men in terms of raw physical attractiveness. Not accounting for men with tremendous wealth, fame, status of course. As the man, you have to be the one to initiate and approach.
/r/seduction12/02/26 05:05 PM
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As a guy who's done thousands of approaches my conversion rate from number to date is right around 1 in 6. It very much is a numbers game bro. And yes the 1 is usually the least attractive of the 6. In general, it's going to be easier to bag less attractive chicks. So if you're just looking for easy money, be a bit more realistic with who you target.
/r/seduction12/02/26 02:08 PM
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Yeah this is pretty common knowledge in modern dating culture. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, while men are the gate keepers of commitment.
/r/seduction11/02/26 02:16 PM
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Ah ok thanks for clarifying. Also Indian American myself. You shouldn't have too much trouble then since you don't have the thick accent. I have about a dozen years on you so my point is you're still very young and learning what to say and how to say it. Don't sweat it too much man. Work on cold approach game and that should build up your confidence and general conversational skills around women. Feel free to DM if you want to chat in more detail.
/r/seduction10/02/26 03:50 PM
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What country are you actually living in? You say Indian but don't mention where you're dating. If you're a recent immigrant to the western country like America, harsh truth is it's going to be very difficult dating non-indian women. The accent is a dealbreaker for most, even Indian women themselves if they're Desi. Also bro you're literally in college now. Don't rely on dating apps to meet women. Just cold approach and meet them via social circles.
/r/seduction10/02/26 02:31 PM
1

I think my peak was 4
/r/seduction09/02/26 04:51 PM
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Yeah for him to even be getting the opportunity to send so many of these matches this message he has to be quite conventionally attractive.
/r/seduction09/02/26 03:04 PM
3

Quite addictive. When I was 28 my body count was about 40 or so and I nearly doubled it in the years since. 33 now and it's still very tempting to work game just about every time I see a pretty woman in public without a ring on. Even though I have a girlfriend. The thrill of the chase is really a thing. Quite a dopamine rush even getting a beautiful woman's number, let alone bedding her for the first time. Wish I had better advice but I'm still trying to ween off it myself. Chasing women really …
/r/seduction07/02/26 07:22 PM
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Always be closing. Don't think of any attractive woman as a potential friend initially. Compliment her looks as soon as you can to make your romantic intentions clear from the outset.
/r/seduction04/02/26 03:19 PM
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Yes 4 of my 5 last LTR girlfriends I've met through cold approach. But yes it definitely is a numbers game similar to online dating. Can't just do 1 or 2 approaches in a month and expect that you can get consistent dates/sex. Minimum 5 approaches a week is what I recommend. An approach is equivalent to a swipe. A phone number is equivalent to a match. Just because you get her digits, doesn't mean she'll actually text you. Just because she texts/calls you, doesn't mean she'll actually agree to a …
/r/seduction03/02/26 11:27 PM
1

They're not answering the question because you should just save that for the first date. Since you don't drink at all, is just focus on day game. IRL day game while out and about shopping in stores and walking in parks. Get a dog if you don't already have one. Dog parks and hikes on popular trails fan be a gold mine for picking up. The ultimate "meet cute" that women dream of.
/r/seduction03/02/26 03:16 PM
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Good question. The 2 most beautiful woman I've ever been on dates on had firm no kissing rules. Even by the end of the second date they weren't even "ready" to kiss yet. I never ask. Just go for it when the moment is right. 99% of the time it's never an issue. With them they were turned off and thought I was too pushy so we never talked again. Both claimed that physical tough is very important to them and they were very sexual once they get comfortable with someone but it takes a while. Always w…
/r/seduction03/02/26 03:11 PM
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I've had the convo a couple times after a few weeks of casual dating/fucking. Just say something like I'm keeping options open and not looking to get into something super serious right away. Usually she's pretty saddened/upset since you pretty much told her she's not your first choice. Women aren't idiots. They know you wouldn't be giving her this line if you genuinely thought she was the best you could get or anywhere remotely close to "keeper potential". In general, this is a surefire way of t…
/r/seduction02/02/26 10:50 PM
2

Be really good looking and an influencer themselves. But the juice isn't worth the squeeze bro. Just find you a 6 who actually likes you more than her social media following.
/r/seduction31/01/26 07:25 PM
2

Fair point. Never hurts to shoot your shot, especially in person but don't exclusively go after women out of your own league. The majority of your targets should be in your "buy box".
/r/seduction31/01/26 12:57 AM
1

Agreed. Most important thing is be realistic in who you approach and know your league. I live by the plus/minus 1 rule. So if you're a 6 guy, go for women in the 5-7 range. No higher or lower.
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:31 PM
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Harsh truth is that it matters tremendously, especially to women. Numerous studies have shown that women have a strong preference for their own phenotype (ethnicity) and if they're open to interracial dating, the vast majority of women would only consider white guys. Most men are open to dating just about any kind of woman, but black women are generally the least desired by non-black men. So if you're a non-white man on dating apps or working game in public, I'm guessing you're open to just abou…
/r/seduction30/01/26 09:26 PM
1

Tyrone gets 99% of black women and about 25% of other women. Chad can get pretty much 85% of ALL women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:56 AM
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Race matters as well of course. Only white guys can truly get to Chad level as they're the most universally desired. Of course assuming you don't have tremendous wealth/fame/status like a pro athlete or rockstar
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:00 PM
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If you've already slept with her, sure feel free to introduce her to friends. It's an important part of the vetting process. If you haven't slept with her yet, prioritize that first with alone intimate time together. In general, you should always try to bed a woman asap to establish the pair bonding and make her think she's seeing someone. Most women typically lose the urge of dating other men once they start consistently sleeping with one. Before that, you're just another guy she's kind of talk…
/r/seduction29/01/26 02:48 PM
0

I'm highly attracted to Sydney Sweeney. That doesn't mean I only approach women who look like her. Be realistic. Go for who you can get. Given that you're a virgin, you can't be so picky. Plenty of women over 25 who are very attractive. Get out of your house. Don't do online dating. Make actual approaches IRL
/r/seduction29/01/26 01:16 AM
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If you're a virgin, why are you so pressed on a particular age group of women? What's wrong with women your own age or a little older? Beggars can't be choosers. Just make lots of approaches and take whatever you can get at this point bro.
/r/seduction28/01/26 11:39 PM
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Yeah even for PUAs, it's very much a numbers game. Takes dozens of approaches on average to get a lay. Only Chads can just pick whatever girl they want at a bar and she's immediately interested. This is like 5% of men and it's about raw physical attraction at that point.
/r/seduction23/01/26 08:23 PM
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Reasonable second point that women are very easily flattered by cold approaches since so few guys even attempt it anymore. I've gotten plenty of numbers like this, but the yield rate (actually leading to a date) is about the same as a match on a dating app. Most just end up ghosting once you text them. They realize they were just so flattered in the moment but either you're just not her type or she has so many other options you can't compete with (assuming she's on a dating app and is mildly att…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:38 AM
2

Definitely. It shouldn't be your sole intention to do sets when you're out and about. But if you see someone that strikes your fancy, you should have enough game to strike and close the target.
/r/seduction22/01/26 02:37 PM
1

I've had dozens of casual flings/FWBs. Not a single one was "discussed" that it was just going to be a casual NSA thing before we actually slept together. This is a fantasy that only very few select (highly attractive - top 5%) of men have the privilege of living out. The rest of us have to just play the game and tell women we're looking for something serious, not sure what we're looking for yet, or just not say anything. Only Chads can be this brutally honest before even kissing a woman that al…
/r/seduction22/01/26 02:10 AM
2

It sounds like you're putting the cart before the horse. Don't take a woman's words literally, especially before you actually know her. Most women don't want to seem too easy so they all say they're only looking for a long term commitment. Are you even attempting to on a second or third date and escalating to the bedroom, or do you give up after hearing/believing this nonsense on the first date? Or the other obvious possibility is that you're just targeting the wrong kind of women. Easy money sh…
/r/seduction22/01/26 01:57 AM
1

Bro I don't really understand what the issue is then. Are you disappointed that they don't want to smash on the very first date? I have a high double digit count and about 60% of my lays have been on the second date. 30% on third date. Very rare that they're down on the very first meeting. They probably know they want to fuck but don't want to seem too promiscuous by giving it up on the first date. So they just want to make sure you're at least patient enough to wait 1 or 2 more dates. Stop bein…
/r/seduction22/01/26 01:25 AM
1

You're probably misinterpreting them saying they're looking for LTR in general as literally wanting it with you. Just about every woman says she's looking for something serious but doesn't actually mean it until you've fucked her properly.
/r/seduction22/01/26 12:09 AM
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None of this necessarily means the women think of you as boyfriend material. Just because she agrees to go on a second date with you and kiss you briefly, doesn't mean she considers you bf material. To get to boyfriend level, you need to establish a strong physical connection first. You didn't provide that much detail, but I'd say it sounds like you just need to be more direct/assertive when escalating. Never ask for a kiss. If you want more of a proper make out, some women prefer to that in mor…
/r/seduction21/01/26 08:20 PM
5

This is actually a great point. The longer you wait to get her in bed, the more serious she thinks the relationship is and how likely she is to assume you're eventually going to commit to her exclusively.
/r/seduction21/01/26 08:16 PM
1

A 10 min make out is pretty extensive. That pretty much implies you're at least getting to third base (oral) in the car. You should've tried to escalate further. Overall agree that making out is good and most women love to kiss.
/r/seduction21/01/26 02:45 PM
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Great job bro. Yet another reason you shouldn't be afraid to approach. I also got referred to my last company by a woman I had approached. Ended up getting the job after the referral and we went on a few dates after I started.
/r/seduction19/01/26 11:42 PM
1

Text to confirm
/r/seduction19/01/26 08:49 PM
2

Very well said.
/r/seduction18/01/26 04:17 PM
1

Just go for women in their mid to late thirties. Usually the thirstiest from my anecdotal experience.
/r/seduction17/01/26 09:59 PM
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Most attractive women over the age of 30 are single simply because they were too crazy for a man to marry and commit to for life. For the ones who are actually mentally stable and kind hearted, it's usually because they're just not that attractive and are likely dating above their league. Pursuing men who could do much better. She's just " good for now" to them, but not keeper potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:56 PM
0

Booze is still a more reliable bet. More women do it and weed is pretty much just as easily accessible as alcohol in most places so it's not really a novelty offering it.
/r/seduction16/01/26 06:21 PM
1

Yeah that's fine but I thought you meant inviting a woman to come join 4 guy friends to play 18 holes of golf together. That would literally ruin the day IMO. If she's just hitting balls at the driving range by herself, of course that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:51 PM
3

If it's an in person thing like golfing, yes I prefer if it stays just men. Guys start acting substantially different and unnatural when women enter the space, especially if she's single and attractive. If it's an online space like some online forum/blog/discord, sure whatever unless it specifically is for men seeking advice/friendship with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:37 PM
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Possible but not worth it. Just find you a 6 or 7 who will put her phone down and enthusiastically suck your dick.
/r/seduction14/01/26 02:25 PM
2

Sounds like you're in a good position to just fool around and get some casual flings but most women around your age don't want to settle down with a guy who still lives with parents and is in school. Just focus on finishing school, getting a job, and chase a little easy tail on the side. But don't be expecting women to be wanting you to wife them up asap.
/r/seduction07/01/26 08:24 PM
2

You did nothing wrong. She's just a prude who sl*t shamed herself internally and probably has some silly rule about never kissing on the first date. Most women who aren't down for a kiss give the cheek turn or just say no. So the reaction was definitely a bit odd.
/r/seduction07/01/26 08:20 PM
7

She clearly doesn't care for her bf and is probably already cheating on him or at least planning on breaking up with him soon. Yes she's coming onto you. Just ask her out for drinks at a bar after work near your place and then invite her up to take care of business. Have fun bro.
/r/seduction07/01/26 06:10 PM
1

I've done thousands of cold approaches in my life. High double digit body count. The key is being realistic with you who you target. Should be in the same range as you in terms of age and general attractiveness. Feel free to DM if you want to chat in more detail.
/r/seduction07/01/26 05:42 PM
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Sounds like you got a case of Oneitis. There is no such thing as the one. That was just your first quality lay. Keep putting yourself out there and making lots of approaches. Good luck bro.
/r/seduction07/01/26 04:12 PM
3

Only the most obscenely handsome or famous men regularly get flirted with by women. The rest of the 95% men have to be the ones to initiate. I can count on one hand how many women even remotely flirted with me first in my life. And I have a high double digit body count. All were from me initiating.
/r/seduction06/01/26 10:30 PM
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What you described wasn't game. That's just a very horny chick picking out a dude that's her type to take care of her feral needs at the moment. So no, it had nothing to do with game. They barely talked and she just picked him because of his looks. When a man is approaching/initiating conversation with a woman, that would qualify as working some game.
/r/seduction06/01/26 04:20 PM
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It would only be a bad thing if she's insisting on paying because she's friend zoning you and doesn't want you to make a move and think she owes you something. So the critical question is have you kissed or slept with her yet?
/r/seduction05/01/26 06:31 PM
1

Fair point. When out at crowded bars and all, I generally don't even buy a chick a drink until we've already made out. On first dates, always just drinks at a dive bar. No proper dinner until we've already smashed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 01:02 AM
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You should've definitely mentioned you made out with them. If not, I would just think you were a simp who happily got used for an hour of attention in exchange for free drinks/food. Until you get at least a kiss, you're just friends or just getting played.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 12:30 AM
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I don't live in NYC but have picked up there before on trips. Yes it's pretty great for running game if you know what you're doing. From all your statistics it sounds like you don't actually live there or actively run game in your current city. Actually go out and just make some approaches. Also you referenced "models" many times in your post. IRL most guys who actually sleep with a lot of woman aren't regularly banging 9s and 10s. It's usually 5s and 6s. Those are the ones who are more ready to…
/r/seduction27/12/25 02:27 AM
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It means she's not physically/sexually attracted to you. If a date lasts 3 hours you should've gone for the kiss before the last possible moment on the subway. No way to tell if a woman is actually into you unless you actually get a solid kiss.
/r/seduction22/12/25 04:45 AM
9

Exactly. No way to tell if she's actually into you until you actually bed her. That's the only true confirmation and even then it's no sure thing if you've only tapped it once.
/r/seduction15/12/25 06:09 PM
5

If you're a man and have a hard stance on not paying or always splitting (especially on first dates), you're just not going to get very far in dating. Just pick relatively cheap places for dates. I always do just drinks at a dive bar and might order food if it's going really well (already have made out at this point). Give yourself a budget of whatever is comfortable for you. I try to limit myself to about $60 tab which is enough for 2-3 drinks each and tax/tip at most places in my city. Dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:26 PM
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Always a bad idea to play the "long game" by trying to be friends with a woman you're attracted to and then making a move months in. I've only had a few actual genuine long lasting friendships with women and the common denominator was they were all some of the ugliest women I know and I had absolutely no attraction to them. Could talk to them just like one of the guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:04 PM
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Age of 1.5 times a week at your age and in that new of a marriage is actually pretty low bro. You should be aiming for at least 3-4x a week before you have kids and all and while you're still in your twenties. So are you officially in an open relationship? If so, just go to bars and cold approach women in public. I'd avoid online dating as that's too public and friends/acquaintances will find out and blast you since they probably don't know the arrangements you have with your wife.
/r/seduction05/12/25 10:49 PM
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Yeah of course there are different types of women and some genuinely do want to take it very slow but from my very extensive experience (400+ first dates) the vast majority like 95% are totally cool with kissing on a first date if they're having a good time (date lasts more than 2 hours).
/r/seduction04/12/25 02:45 PM
1

This just sounds like a concubine. Pretty much a sex slave like the Roman emperors used to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 02:57 PM
2

Nah I'm Indian actually. No I don't specifically go for hood chicks. Just happened to smash one many years ago (she didn't appear that hood from her profile but once I met in person I realized). I prefer women of the more classy variety. I also don't do online dating anymore. Just cold approach and meeting via social circles. You could always just go to a majority black bar/hookah lounge and most chicks there will be pretty hood.
/r/seduction01/12/25 10:23 PM
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Never ask to kiss, period. Even for the first kiss. Women prefer a man to be assertive.
/r/seduction01/12/25 10:20 PM
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Sounds about right. Hood black chicks (in America) are pretty much the only ones that I've heard actually expect cash. Never heard this from anyone I've dated (including non-hood BW) or any of my friends who date white/Asian/Latina.
/r/seduction01/12/25 09:15 PM
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I've only been with one I would classify as pretty hood. Met on tinder but basically you just need to be a little extra masculine and assertive. Also hood chicks are usually easily swayed by materialistic things like nice cars and designer clothes/shoes. Some even expect the dude to give them straight cash/venmo.
/r/seduction01/12/25 09:01 PM
4

Exactly. Nothing matters if you don't actually act on the eye contact and make a move.
/r/seduction01/12/25 08:58 PM
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Nobody actually says they've been seduced lol. But it just means you attracted them enough to want to sleep with you pretty much.
/r/seduction01/12/25 08:57 PM
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I kinda get that it could all be a publicity stunt but the stuff she's said is REALLY bad. Insanely disrespectful to a man you say you love and want to be married to forever. Tbh I think he's a great comedian but now I would never even consider going to his shows. Lost all respect for him. Total simp who lets his wife walk all over him in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:32 PM
2

This is what happens when you try to pretend to be friends with a woman and play the long game. Make your romantic intentions clear from the beginning.
/r/seduction01/12/25 05:57 PM
1

I've done it once with a woman I hadn't yet slept with but we sexted and had video sex a couple times before. She was basically my sex toy the whole trip. My point is to make the expectations very clear it's going to go down. Don't just do it for a normal first date.
/r/seduction01/12/25 03:53 PM
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This is probably one of the most common sense things I've ever read on this sub. Also just because a man wants sex doesn't mean he only wants sex. Just because he wants a relationship, doesn't mean he doesn't also need sex before committing to a woman exclusively. It's called vetting sexual compatibility. I've dated plenty of women who initially seemed to have some relationship potential but then I realized they were just awful in bed. In modern dating culture, relationships start off casual (no…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 09:16 PM
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In general don't explicitly talk about sex before you've actually done it. As for suggesting a casual relationship, you definitely can't bring up this topic until you've slept with her multiple times. And most importantly, you have to fuck her right. Can't just be middling, mediocre sex she could just get from any guy.
/r/seduction25/11/25 03:48 PM
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Yeah sadly this is all too common. Another big reason I recommend meeting women in person rather than through dating apps or other online mediums. You actually know what they look/dress like. Even then, no guarantee she'll actually dress up and look as good as the day you met her.
/r/seduction24/11/25 03:46 PM
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Yeah it's just the harsh truth though. The truth offends people sometimes. Yeah absolutely never take a woman's dating advice. Crock of shit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:41 PM
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People call it manipulation but that is pretty much the only way a non-Chad man can get casual sex. You have to at least take them out on a few dates and make it seem possible that you're potentially interested in LTR. We're all consenting adults at the end of the day. Most women know they can't secure commitment without first giving sex. So they have sex within the first handful of dates and if you have strong sexual compatibility, the guy can turn that into a casual fling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:21 PM
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It's mostly men who don't regularly get laid that are jealous of women who can have sex at will and other men who participate in the sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 08:34 PM
1

First off, you shouldn't be taking women on expensive dinner dates before having sex with them. Sounds like you haven't fucked her yet OP? Don't invest much time and money before sex, let alone with a chick who you know is just playing the game with a bunch of dudes.
/r/seduction22/11/25 07:55 PM
2

This woman sounds like any man's worst nightmare. Absolutely vile gold digger. As to your point yes, the primary reason I spend money on my girl is because she's regularly having sex with me. Getting my dick wet pretty much every time I'm with her is "what's in it for me". Not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:51 PM
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IRL I rarely see men with these kinds of women. Much of this is largely an internet fantasy. Most dudes are perfectly fine with a relatively feminine, solid 6 who's good in bed but still has typical sensitive female traits (not a proclaimed red pill woman).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:31 PM
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If you have more game than looks, bars will be easier. If you're quite good looking and tall, but are lacking in the game department, you should have more success in a club environment. It's all about just being attractive and getting solid eye contact at clubs. Women who are ready to hook up with a guy that night don't care about your conversational skills all that much and they probably won't be able to hear much anyway. I think especially if you're alone, clubs should be better. Again, it's a…
/r/seduction21/11/25 03:48 PM
7

Sounds like you're very physically attractive but just have no game. Build up your confidence and rid yourself of the fear of rejection. Then you'll become that guy these women already mostly perceive you as.
/r/seduction21/11/25 03:23 PM
2

First guess is that you're either just boring and don't excite them enough on the dates or you don't fuck them right.
/r/seduction13/11/25 03:16 PM
1

Not saying I expect sex on the first date just don't know if she has long term potential after just one date. Need to get the sexual compatibility within the first handful of dates or so
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:56 PM
0

Simplest way is to see if they don't put out before investing in them. If she expects fancy dinners before giving you the cake, more likely on the gold digger spectrum.
/r/seduction12/11/25 03:00 PM
1

I think it is reasonable to be open to long term but that doesn't necessarily mean you know it will be with her on the first date. Most relationships in modern western societies start out casual and then progress to more serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:50 PM
1

The vast majority of women will not agree to a pure hookup arrangement before having sex with a guy. You have to play the game and at least take them on a date or 2 and fuck them right before turning it into just a fuck buddy situation. Only legit Chads actually get women to come straight over for sex. The rest of us have to at least buy them a few drinks and give them some words of affirmation first. And even then you can't really just say all you want is sex before you've even done it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:06 AM
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If the first date ends with a solid kiss just make soft plans right then. If there's no kiss, I don't bother with scheduling a second date and just let her walk.
/r/seduction12/11/25 12:43 AM
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Just think to yourself what's the worst that could happen? Stop being a pussy and just make the approach bro. Most women are at least flattered that you had the balls to attempt in public and worst case is they say they're taken.
/r/seduction12/11/25 12:05 AM
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Troll post
/r/seduction11/11/25 11:52 PM
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Sounds like you're just taking too long to escalate. If the first date lasts more than 2 hours, you need to go for the kiss. Do other kino techniques to escalate and gauge receptiveness beforehand to see if she's warm and receptive in your presence. Are you actually flirting and making your romantic intention clear from the outset?
/r/seduction11/11/25 11:01 PM
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Overweight is such a broad term. Are we talking like 15-20 lbs or 50+ lbs overweight where the fat rolls are visible and all?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:17 PM
1

How do you have 100+ ghosts but only from15 numbers. That's not adding up lol
/r/seduction11/11/25 05:45 AM
2

Yeah it usually happens on the second date. Like 20% first, 60% second, and 20% third date.
/r/seduction10/11/25 11:19 PM
1

Yeah that's my point. No self respecting woman actually wants to hook up with a guy for the first time in a car/hotel, unless you both are traveling from other cities of course. And most women prefer to go to the man's place as they are more likely to have a smaller/further out place and/or have roommates. Can count on one hand how many of my first lays were at the lady's place.
/r/seduction10/11/25 11:18 PM
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Agreed. Doesn't have to be from the very first moment of the initial date but if she's not enthusiastic and warm/receptive by the second date and asking you questions, giving you physical affection to some degree, you just need to move on.
/r/seduction10/11/25 11:16 PM
1

Yeah I've had roommates as well and it's not a big deal especially if your place is nice. I was referring to living with your parents. So many dudes out here who are still living with mom and dad at age 25+ and wondering why chicks don't want to come home with them lol
/r/seduction10/11/25 10:49 PM
3

Yeah I totally get it. Most of the women I've slept with that was the case. You gotta just dump them after they start trying to define the relationship and lock you down exclusively if you don't see LTR potential with them. If she doesn't give the cake by the end of the third date, I just let her go.
/r/seduction10/11/25 10:46 PM
1

The key is making them laugh. If you can't make a woman laugh, you have no chance of laying her. Once you do that it's all about escalation. Light touches on her arm/leg/back to gauge her warmness with you before going for a kiss. Logistics also play a huge role. You need to have your own place and it should ideally be within a few blocks of the bar where you had the date so you can just quickly walk right over rather than drive in separate cars. Eliminate friction as much as possible. Or any ex…
/r/seduction10/11/25 08:45 PM
7

This is shit test to see if you're just using her for sex like what has probably happened to her in the past. She wants to be seen as having keeper potential rather than just sleeper.
/r/seduction10/11/25 08:21 PM
0

Every girl I've smashed in the last 5 years.
/r/seduction09/11/25 04:00 AM
7

Yup. If she likes you she'll give up the goods on the second or third date and you don't need to buy her any expensive dinners or whatever.
/r/seduction09/11/25 01:39 AM
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I wouldn't say bare minimum but definitely don't simp around for months buying women expensive dinners and gifts before sleeping with her. Nearly all of the nearly 100 women I've slept with gave it up on the second or third date. Can't remember the last time I actually paid for a proper sit down dinner before laying a woman for the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 01:32 AM
-1

Gym madding is definitely highly overrated but social skills are not. If you can make a woman laugh, you have a chance to lay her. If you can't, you have zero chance. Charm, charisma, manipulation. Whatever you want to call it. Lot of it is natural but can definitely be trained. Simplest way to get reps is to try and bag women who are realistic in terms of relative attractiveness and age range. Still takes plenty of effort, but less so than exclusively chasing your dream woman when you have litt…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:03 AM
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Bro why are you dating a woman for months before getting the cake? I literally can't remember the last time I slept with a woman for the first time after buying her a proper sit down dinner. Usually bang on the second or third date. Usually all it takes is a couple drinks at a dive bar. If she actually kikes you, she'll open her legs sooner than later. You're just wasting time simping and getting friend zoned.
/r/seduction07/11/25 03:31 AM
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Agree with most of what you said but it's pretty unrealistic to actually find one when you're that young like 19. That's more of a porn fantasy. Not saying it's impossible, just much more like when you're in your mid to late twenties.
/r/seduction06/11/25 02:43 PM
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Ignorance, delusion, whatever you want to call it. Just be yourself and she will fall in your lap when the time is right is some of the dumbest advice that only women or extremely attractive men (5%) give. Reminds me of an old neighbor friend I had a few years ago who would tell me this. Meanwhile she's a solid 7, white, and some of the best racks I've ever seen. Just blessed in all the right places. Men would pine after her nonstop. She would tell me going on so many first dates and chasing wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:11 PM
1

Why are you going back as a group to a woman's place if she is flirting and all over you? Should've just gone back with her alone and told your homie to find his own way home. I'm sure he would've understood bro.
/r/seduction03/11/25 05:28 PM
11

So just make a move on her friends if you find them attractive. Not that complicated bro.
/r/seduction03/11/25 03:15 PM
4

Men don't really fall in love but they just grow to love the person that's in front of them when they're ready to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:51 PM
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The last time I was single a couple years ago I wore my Halloween costume to a bar during happy hour with coworkers, a solid 8/10 Asian chick complimented my costume as I was walking out of the bathroom and I just found her at the bar later while ordering a drink. Called her gorgeous (she wasn't wearing a costume), asked for her digits, and we ended up meeting for drinks a couple days later. Made out like crazy and she was literally grabbing my cock in the parking lot by the end of the night. On…
/r/seduction31/10/25 09:35 PM
2

How about you just pick a normal person you actually know IRL? It's not that complicated lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:20 PM
3

He's a celebrity comedian so he has wealth/status/fame. Not a normal guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 06:44 PM
6

People are subconsciously also referring to a baseline level of physical attraction when they say a guy has lots of rizz. Short, fat bald men never get identified as having rizz. Women just call him annoying or chatty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:46 PM
1

Ok so this is the real problem then bro. Sounds like you just don't have enough game and have never actually picked up a chick from a bar/club. Feel free to DM if you want to chat in more detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:40 PM
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Ah ok this is a very specific extreme example. And I'm saying my hypothetical is much more realistic. Most hookers aren't 10/10 first off. Most aren't actually enthusiastic. The few that meet both of these criteria are very high end escorts that most men could never afford. Finding a chick from the club who's down to come back to your place and not blow you is very rare. These are the types of women that are very giving typically. I've literally only once not gotten my dick sucked first before h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:38 PM
1

No bro obviously the man still has to initiate the convo and escalate things to the bedroom. But in terms of blowing, yeah usually I don't have to explicitly ask. They know that's what I want and are typically more than willing to get down to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:34 PM
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Nah the pro wasn't all that hot. Probably also a 6 or so. And I've never had a same night lay from a bar or a first date where she didn't at least blow me for 5 min. Most of these women who give it up that fast are quite giving and freaky in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:29 PM
1

I was specifically referring to getting oral sex from a random without a condom. Never been asked to put one on before she blows me unless she's a pro.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:26 PM
1

Yeah that's been the majority of my casual lays. But not necessarily through a dating app. Mostly organic cold approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:25 PM
1

Yeah of course not every ONS will be a total freak. And if it's just sex I don't really care if shes a 6 vs a 10. It's not like you get to show the professional off to friends or family. For casual fuck buddy situations, sex quality matters more for me than looks. And the beauty of bagging a 10 is actually the conquest of getting her to agree to fuck you consensually (without money), not actually fucking her. But maybe that's just my ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:24 PM
1

Yeah once. Her fake loud screams on the balcony were hot but having to wear a condom while getting blown was definitely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:20 PM
1

Disagree. The easy 6.5 women at the club are better because you don't have the shame/guilt of having to pay for it and knowing they actually genuinely want to fuck you. And from my extensive experience in casual flings or ONS, the thrill and excitement of having a same night pickup lay is pretty unmatchable. Also these women are usually absolute freaks in bed. And they don't make you a condom while sucking you off and are usually way more enthusiastic to have sex with you in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:06 PM
2

I mean just having a high drive, giving sloppy enthusiastic blowjobs and enjoying getting pounded hard. Really not all that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:30 PM
3

Well the vast majority of men prefer to be the dominant one in the bedroom so you'll be filtering out a lot of men with those preferences, especially if you prefer more masculine portraying men. I've slept with nearly 100 women and can count on one hand how many were not into rough sex and being dominated in the bedroom. Most women prefer to be submissive and have the man lead and control them in bed. So you're definitely in the minority with these preferences. Not saying you won't ever be able …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:40 PM
3

Sexual market value. For a woman that's primarily composed of youth, looks, freakiness in the bedroom. Personally I don't like talking about my job on dates and I just can't stand when that's all my date wants to talk about either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:34 PM
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It won't be a selling point for probably 80% of men in America. Most won't actually resent you for it, unless YOU think/act like it adds anything to your SMV. Having a good job/income is great for you personally as an individual, but adds absolutely zero value to you as a potential romantic partner. Especially in the early stages of dating. If you're looking to build a comfortable life and live in a high cost of living city and have kids, yes of course it helps if you have 2 solid incomes. But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:21 PM
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What these women need to realize is that most men (and especially the men they're actually attracted to), give little to no care for what her income is. It's one of the least important factors in valuing a romantic partner. For me personally, it adds nothing. Looks, sex quality, and overall personality are for more important than her career/income. But to answer your question, it's pretty much that rare guy who actually wants to be a power couple and have the relationship be transactional and bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:02 PM
-2

Bro having straight single female friends over the age of 30 is a fools errand. I tried it a few years ago and it went well for a couple months. Gave each other dating advice and all but then once I actually started being more blunt and honest as I would with guy friends, they get so easily offended and think you're a terrible person. Conservative Christian women who think they can find an unmarried Chad who goes to church weekly, is attracted to their independence and financial status, and has …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:33 AM
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The vast majority of women in their early twenties date men within 2-3 years of them IRL in America. Even a 30 yr old guy would be considered too old to most of these young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 02:06 PM
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Appreciate your reply bro. Agree with your sentiments. Sorry you went through all that. Wish you the best.
/r/seduction29/10/25 01:58 PM
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Don't listen to what they say or write. See how they actually act. It means she's run through and trying to stop using sex for validation. But it's tough to teach an old dog new tricks...
/r/seduction28/10/25 02:59 PM
1

If you see her regularly and don't have to wait weeks in between dates, just go with the regular date and try to escalate again to see if she comes back with you.
/r/seduction28/10/25 02:49 PM
1

Oh I didn't mean they were all milfs. Just referring to a target rich environment of single women (attractive, not wearing a ring) shopping alone. No pun intended lol. Most were likely not mothers. And no didn't get lucky. I usually got the "have a boyfriend" excuse. Handful of numbers but no dates from the Target approaches.
/r/seduction27/10/25 10:52 PM
10

One of my favorite spots to cold approach. Especially on weekday evenings after 8pm. If a woman is there, she is almost always shopping alone without a ring on. Very few families or other single men. It's typically about 75% single women, almost always in their twenties or thirties (more so). I've done dozens of approaches at Target alone in the last few years.
/r/seduction27/10/25 02:55 PM
1

Ah ok thanks for clarifying. Yeah I definitely think leagues exist. I misunderstood your point initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:43 PM
10

Interesting argument but I think you're overthinking it. The cases of the obese uneducated man getting with the supermodel is very overblown and you rarely actually see those in real life. Most people end up marrying someone from the same general socioeconomic status and general attractiveness level, as well as age range within 5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:38 PM
1

It really depends on if you're going for college educated women and what field they work in. Sad truth is most women want the man they're dating to at least make more than them. And you still have to be the one to pay for dates and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:24 AM
1

I live in a similar city to what you're describing. That's probably the bare minimum but I could see it working as long as you don't go on very expensive dates frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:15 AM
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Depends how old this man is. If he's over 30 and still not making six figures it will likely be an issue even for the progressive type of women you're describing. Nearly all women expect the provider type and the man to pay for the majority of things even if they are making decent money themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 03:35 PM
1

It's just a nice way of letting you down. Especially if they feel the need to throw in that you're a handsome guy. Oftentimes this is code for that they're not interested in or have experience with dating men of your race. Are you a person of color and are these white women?
/r/seduction26/10/25 03:15 PM
2

Most guys aren't going to stick around if you're this paranoid tbh. I've been with nearly a hundred different sexual partners and can count on one hand how many even asked me if I had anything let alone to get tested.
/r/seduction25/10/25 09:18 PM
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Men don't blindly categorize every unsolicited public interaction as "harassment". That's the key. The men in this situation were probably just impressed and flattered that a woman is approaching them and initiating conversation since it happens so rarely. I do cold approaches in the grocery store all the time. Only awkward or creepy if you make it so. Only fools actually use the "smile, sweetheart" line.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 04:27 PM
14

Simple solution. Only go for batch #1. If she doesn't agree to a simple relatively cheap date like drinks at a dive bar, she's not really all that into you. Move on to the ones who are. Never let a woman pick the exact place for the date. This is a sign she's either a very difficult person or simply just using you for free drinks/food and wants to post it on social media. I've been on literally hundreds of dates in my life and can count on one hand how many were not ok with the place I picked. M…
/r/seduction24/10/25 10:03 PM
10

Agreed. I'd say 1 in 6 is realistic yield rate for leading to a date but that doesn't necessarily mean the date ends in sex.
/r/seduction24/10/25 09:58 PM
1

As long as it's not a huge unruly bush most women don't seem to mind and usually prefer the guy to at least have some hair down there.
/r/seduction24/10/25 09:03 PM
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Yeah they're just as bad. Gotten a few dates from such events but few and far between. If you're not a top 10% looks man, I still say the best method is cold approach and meeting via social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:14 PM
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Yeah good point. From my experience of going to a handful of speed dating events, the women that show up are either black (considered the least desirable by far on dating apps in terms of number of likes they receive), or recently divorced (and presumably very skeptical of dating apps because of their public nature). The last one I went to was literally 100% black females and I live in a very white majority city. There were zero black men there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:10 PM
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Yeah sounds like OP just has really weak game (conversational skills and ability to make a woman laugh) or is giving off effeminate energy (gay vibes).
/r/seduction24/10/25 07:18 PM
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Tbh easiest way to show you're paying attention is to cut her off gently and ask her questions mid thought and don't let her fully finish her thought. That way it feels less formal and like an interview. Talk to her like someone you're already comfortable with.
/r/seduction24/10/25 07:16 PM
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Yeah I've stuck by these principles for many years as well. If she doesn't agree to your suggestion of a time and place, she's just being difficult. Once you've settled on a time/day that works for both, most women strongly prefer the guy to make the plans and pick the place. 95% have been cool with drinks as the first date option and if she's not, that's a red flag and I wish her well.
/r/seduction24/10/25 07:13 PM
1

Tbh even casual dating is expensive from a man's perspective. It's just a more ethical way to pay for sex. The simplest cheapest way is to just do drinks at a dive bar. If you don't drink though, you're basically just filtering yourself out from getting the typical slutty chicks who would be down for a first or second night lay. Most women who are down to smash on the first date are drinkers and they wouldn't feel comfortable pounding shots with a guy who doesn't drink at all. Pulling sober chic…
/r/seduction24/10/25 07:10 PM
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You can't ask for fwb until you've actually fucked them well a couple times. Don't really even talk about sex with her until you've done it.
/r/seduction24/10/25 07:02 PM
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Do you want to have another drink and check out the view from my place? How'd you like to meet my dog? The key in getting her to come back to your place is picking a bar for the date where you met that's just walking distance from your spot. If you both have to drive separate cars it really decreases the chances of her agreeing to come over. Elimination of friction is key. I always pick a place literally within a 5 min walk of my apartment.
/r/seduction24/10/25 06:59 PM
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Yeah this is pretty much my approach as well. Offer her a drink, put on some music, chat her up and the just go in for it within a few min of getting back to your place.
/r/seduction24/10/25 06:56 PM
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Overall agree with the pillars of being sweet, confident and funny. I'd just rank them the opposite order. If you can't make a woman laugh at least once every hour or so hanging out she's not going to sleep with you. And of course it should come naturally and you shouldn't be trying comedic sketches or one liners. Also wouldn't go so far as to say looks aren't important at all. You need to reach a baseline level of physical attractiveness to get with women who you find moderately attractive.
/r/seduction24/10/25 06:49 PM
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Agree with the overall concept but disagree on coffee dates being the ideal first date. Drinks at a casual dive bar are a much better option for the following reasons: 1) alcohol lowers inhibitions 2) It doesn't feel as rushed or formal like a business interview. Even if you're not in a rush, who gets a second coffee? A coffee date implies basically an hour long max timeframe. This is typically not enough to develop rapport and have time for each of you to tell stories and ask each other questio…
/r/seduction24/10/25 06:35 PM
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Yeah from my experience the lesser attractive ones are so flattered when I approach and those are usually more likely to lead to a near instant makeout and/or a same night lay. Similarly to how 6s and 7s would rather share Chad than date their own looks match. The 4s and 5s would rather be pumped and dumped by the 7 guy than trying to date someone who would actually consider committing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:34 PM
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That's an awful comparison lol. I'm just saying if she used to hop in bed without hesitation and is now a born again virgin, that's ridiculous. Choosing to have sex is a conscious decision you can make and has little to do with time or money, unlike buying a car.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:27 PM
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For the first date, pick a bar within a few blocks of your place. 10 min walk max. Has to be as convenient as possible so they are less likely to make excuses. Eliminate the friction as much as possible.
/r/seduction23/10/25 02:53 PM
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I've been in this boat for many years. Made the most of it by getting plenty of sex but the majority of the women were "sleepers" rather than "keepers". Most were in the 5-6 range and I just didn't see myself wanting to lock them down for LTR. I've realized this is probably the reason I've gravitated towards going for more attractive women who have lower SMV for other reasons, typically age. Nabbing an attractive 26 yr old is substantially harder than a 32 yr old because her optionality is so mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 02:23 PM
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Awful advice. I can count on one hand how many women agreed to come back to my place but were not ok with kissing in public. It's pretty ironic and doesn't make any sense. Yes it does happen but it's extremely rare.
/r/seduction22/10/25 02:17 PM
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I've never actually been asked for direct cash like that but I know plenty of guys have experienced that. Heard it's quite common particularly in the black community in America. Only my black friends complain about this from black women. I'm sure white and other women do this as well but I haven't personally seen or heard it from my own experiences or people I know IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 04:27 AM
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I'd say about 5'9 so avg height pretty much. Which means you tell everyone you're 5'10 like I do and nobody bats an eye. Only the most shallow 20% of women reject guys who are avg height but not actually 6 ft+. If you're under 5'7, you pretty much have to be perfect in every other aspect of life including having tremendous game. Over 80% of remotely attractive women won't give you the time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 04:22 AM
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Bro they're just easier to lay and do freakier shit in bed. It's not that complicated lol
/r/seduction22/10/25 02:27 AM
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It definitely matters but it's not everything. Still have to play your cards right aka know how to work game. And tbh just be better and try harder if you're not white. If I was 5 inches taller and white, my dick probably would've fallen off by now. But I've had my fair share of success making the most and maximizing my game as much as I can.
/r/seduction22/10/25 02:23 AM
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Nah not really the best you can hope for is solid eye contact and a light smile to indicate you to come over and start a conversation.
/r/seduction22/10/25 02:08 AM
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Yup I didn't get to this point overnight. Literally have done thousands of approaches in my life. On the nights where I get 5+ phone numbers I'm literally doing well over a dozen sets in a night. It really is a numbers game at the end of the day.
/r/seduction21/10/25 09:25 PM
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Yes of course I have long deep conversations with my girlfriend as well and would consider her a close friend based on the amount of time and how much we talk and share with each other. But I'm just saying I didn't initially approach her because I thought we could become really good friends. If she told me on the first date kissing and sex is off the table for the first month and she just wants to develop a friendship first, I would've immediately walked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 02:26 PM
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Bro it sounds like you're afraid of women. Just talk to them and see where it goes.
/r/seduction21/10/25 02:04 PM
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Just saying I don't really need any more friends. It's much more natural and comfortable to be friends with another man IMO. So I don't go out of my way to seek out female friends. If I'm talking to a woman, it's usually with romantic intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 02:03 PM
1

Have you actually tried making some approaches? Do that before resorting to escorts.
/r/seduction21/10/25 01:53 PM
2

You're referring to being charming and respectful. That's not necessarily being nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 03:32 AM
1

I get it bro. I've also been trying to avoid just using fat chicks for easy sex and only going for ones I'm actually very attracted to and would consider locking down eventually.
/r/seduction20/10/25 11:53 PM
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You're probably approaching unrealistic targets. Need to get your reps up by going for the "easy money". Aka fatter and generally less attractive women.
/r/seduction20/10/25 09:46 PM
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It's pretty rare for most guys to last that long so it's probably just a coincidence that all 3 of yours have gone for so long.
/r/seduction20/10/25 09:38 PM
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Yeah developing a friendship first before dating is some crock of shit advice that my mother tries giving me. I recommend being direct and assertive about your romantic intentions by complimenting her looks from the outset. I can't develop a emotional connection with a woman before first developing a physical connection. Also, I don't genuinely want to be friends with the vast majority of women. If sex was completely off the table, I wouldn't bother engaging in convos with women unless absolutel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 09:23 PM
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Yeah this was most likely going to be some kind of scam. First off almost no chick actually openly writes that she's looking for casual FWB. Except for actual hookers looking for new clients. Most women regardless of what they're actually looking for would prefer to meet in a public place for a first date rather than coming straight over for sex. So that was the real giveaway.
/r/seduction20/10/25 02:26 PM
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Yeah bro trust me there's a huge difference in the kind of a 22 yr old of a 28 yr old vs 32 our old guy
/r/seduction20/10/25 05:11 AM
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It really depends on your attractiveness level and your race. But yes NYC is the best assuming you're like a 7 white guy.
/r/seduction20/10/25 04:17 AM
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Yes. That's what easy money means. Women well below your league on what you'd normally date but cool with just fucking.
/r/seduction20/10/25 04:16 AM
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No unless you're obscenely handsome. The rest of us guys have to be direct and assertive. Compliment her looks directly on the first approach and ask for her number
/r/seduction20/10/25 04:14 AM
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Tbh it's pretty unrealistic nabbing a 21-25 yr old women who's genuinely (not for money) into guys over 30. They almost exclusively go for guys within 2-3 years of their own age.
/r/seduction20/10/25 04:13 AM
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Don't rely on meeting women through dating apps. Do cold approach. Too many opportunities for them to change their mind when they're ordering off a menu which is essentially what dating apps are for women
/r/seduction20/10/25 02:02 AM
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Yeah most of my lays have been in the 5-7 range. your suggestion is great in theory but most women are hypergamous and want to date up significantly. Women who are 6s would rather get run through by Chad than "settle" for their own looks match.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 06:54 PM
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Nope. I'm avg height and weight, decently handsome facially, have a full head of hair. I'd say I'm about a 7 when I'm in solid shape and working out consistently. Have no problem dating/fucking women. My point is if the guy isn't at least a 6 (above average physically in most departments), he's pretty much toast in finding an attractive woman who's genuinely into him. Looks matter a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 05:45 PM
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I wouldn't even wait until the job is done. Ask her for drinks after work some evening this week. If she's actually into you, she'd be down whenever.
/r/seduction19/10/25 05:19 PM
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Depends on if it's during the initial approach or on a date and you have the opportunity to actually close. But in general the best advice is to just act like you've been there before. Be assertive and lead her to kiss you or tell her to come home with you
/r/seduction19/10/25 05:17 PM
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Only total simps with no game spend that much money on women before sleeping with them. Guys who actually have optionality get the cake within the first 2 or 3 dates. Can't remember the last time I paid for a proper sit down dinner before having sex for the first time with a new woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 05:14 PM
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Most promiscuous women haven't made me wait very long at all and aren't ashamed of their past. But yes I've had a handful who faked the whole prude act to make me work for it and give them the gf treatment before giving it up. They were trying to turn over a new leaf or whatever but I could read it from a mile away. I usually dump these types when I sense that they're playing hard to get. If a woman used to jump in bed quickly she can't make the next guy she's seriously trying to date wait long.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:50 PM
1

Yup men have to lead for sure. Good sex (both having fun and reaching orgasm) is largely determined by the man's performance. Not to discount the power of a killer blowjob. That interaction will lead to male arousal any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:12 PM
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Honest question. What's the deal with all these people on reddit claiming to be autistic lately? Have rates of autism actually increased in the last few decades or are people struggling in the dating market (both men and women) just stamping this label on themselves as an excuse for their struggles? Are these the same people who would just have been called dumb, slow or awkward 10 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 02:43 PM
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Exactly. Most men admit they value looks and sex above all else. Women give BS preferences like sense of humor and kindness when they might mean that, IF they are also highly physically attracted to them aka tall and handsome. Being funny and nice don't mean shit if you're 5'6, balding, chopped facially, or have a big beer belly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:05 AM
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My first presumption would be that he might be worried he comes too fast from blowjobs. Or he's just one of the rare dudes that genuinely just doesn't like getting head for whatever reason. Can't relate. I'd rather get head than sex most of the time.
/r/seduction18/10/25 11:29 PM
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Taking testosterone for a few years doesn't just turn you into a man. But I agree with your overall point that it's not an irresistible force and men should have self control.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:45 PM
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Yeah but to go one step further most men don't actually exclusively chase "pretty" women. They're happy to sleep with mediocre looking women too as they're usually easier and typically more freaky in bed as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:06 PM
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You need to get the hoe phase out of your system, drop the other ones from the harem, and just focus on the one with the most keeper potential. In your situation it might be best to delete all dating apps and also literally block every roster chicks number from your phone. All women get jealous and insecure, especially the ones with keeper potential. If you're committed to being committed, take some action like I mentioned above.
/r/seduction17/10/25 03:46 PM
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Yup I've been doing this for years. Always compliment her looks and directly ask for the number to take her on a date. No social media nonsense.
/r/seduction17/10/25 04:07 AM
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Just ask for her number directly. IG is dumb. Be assertive and direct. Compliment her looks and tell her you want to take her out for drinks.
/r/seduction17/10/25 03:40 AM
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Yeah the hoes you just use for sex but don't actually date them for long term.
/r/seduction17/10/25 03:25 AM
2

The only way to truly know if they might be into you is after you've already had a solid kiss. Like a real make out. If you haven't even kissed her yet, no idea if she's into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 03:02 PM
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I imagine the word "manipulate" in the title is going to trigger a lot of people (especially women) and this post will get downvoted to oblivion. But I agree with your point. If you're a decently attractive guy in his mid to late thirties and just want easy sex, it is definitely easier to do so with a 35 yr old than a 25 yr old woman. I have more experience in this than I'm proud to admit. The older women know that most men aren't going to wait around very long for sex and that's what most guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:58 PM
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Holding/opening doors and small gestures is actually the part that you should do. That's chivalry and all women appreciate that. The nice guy part you should avoid is being super agreeable, constantly apologizing over nothing, and doing favors / giving money to women you haven't even kissed or fucked yet. Don't pretend to be a woman's friend and play a long game. That's simp behavior and ultimately won't get you laid.
/r/seduction14/10/25 02:58 PM
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I mean just scheduling a first date. Nothing to do with sex. That's usually second or third.
/r/seduction14/10/25 02:30 AM
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Yeah I don't bother pursuing if they don't agree to a date within a week of meeting. And let her to if pants don't come off by the third date latest
/r/seduction13/10/25 10:38 PM
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Yeah I'm not saying getting married and having kids instantly makes you happy either. Misery comes in all stages of marital status haha
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 06:09 PM
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Yeah as a man you have to put in a substantial amount of effort. I probably spend way too much time/effort on it so I'm on the other end of the extreme haha. Unless you have tremendous wealth/status/fame or are obscenely good looking, women aren't going to approach you. The man still has to initiate and put in effort.
/r/seduction13/10/25 06:04 PM
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It basically just means does the other person have a desire to have sex with you. How it's achieved depends on the audience in question.
/r/seduction13/10/25 04:40 PM
1

Yeah fair point. Being competent at your trade is a great facet and can make you more attractive to women of course. But that's not all you can rely on. Have to gain confidence, learn how to charm and most importantly make a woman laugh to get her in bed. I have little to no handyman skills, work a mid level tech job, am avg height and decently handsome. But I have substantial game so I have no problems getting laid.
/r/seduction13/10/25 03:34 PM
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I'd say probably about 60% of my first time lays have happened on the second date. Most women know they want to sleep with you by the end of the first dates but they just slut shame themselves to not give it up on the first date. They're not going to make you wait much longer than date 2 though as they also like sex, want to vet the sexual compatibility, and most importantly know that most men aren't going to wait around that long. Only the most sexually liberated and/or horny women are down to …
/r/seduction13/10/25 01:58 PM
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Every trait is overrated if that's all you rely on. You need to be confident and attractive and have a good sense of humor that makes women laugh. Just being confident alone is not enough.
/r/seduction13/10/25 01:43 PM
5

Yeah I never bought these studies about how single, childless women are the happiest. Yeah maybe when they're young like 25. But the 45 yr old single cat lady not so much. Every single childless woman I know IRL over the age of 35 is absolutely miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:41 PM
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Short answer is yes. Initially hooking up with a sober woman is probably like 9/10 level game. If you're still learning and don't have much experience running game, it's going to be extremely difficult. I'm quite experienced myself and can count on one hand how many first time lays happened when both of us hadn't had a sip of alcohol. This is all presuming she's not drinking either since you're not. Would be pretty weird/unethical if she's wasted and you're dead sober
/r/seduction12/10/25 05:18 PM
1

Just say you caught my eye. You're gorgeous. What's your name? And then introduce yourself, gauge receptiveness, and proceed from there.
/r/seduction12/10/25 04:53 PM
2

If it's a day game situation like you described, I'd just text her my name within a few min after walking away and just say nice meeting you. Then wait to see if she responds. If responses are warm, schedule a date within a few days.
/r/seduction12/10/25 04:51 PM
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Wear sexy outfits. Randomly drop on your knees and offer him a blowjob, especially in semi-public places or with the blinds up at home. Talk about sex randomly with him. Tell him how sexy he's looking that day.
/r/seduction12/10/25 04:47 PM
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Sounds like the man is just pissed his wife isn't giving him regular sex. Dudes who are consistently getting their dicks sucked don't typically make such complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:33 PM
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I've found 25 to 31 to be the peak delusion years for women. They still think they're in their peak and are awash in optionality of desperate men to choose from. Think they have all the time in the world. It becomes much easier once they're 32 or so but by then they either have so much trauma from being run through and not being chosen by Chad for marriage, or already have kids.
/r/seduction12/10/25 04:25 PM
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Yes perhaps the word "used" wasn't the best way to phrase it. Pumped and dumped. Smashed and dashed. The guy just wanted a purely physical arrangement and she was hoping he would choose to be exclusive and commit to her eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:53 PM
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Yeah this wasn't worth responding to tbh. Such rage bait. Check out "her" profile and it'll all make sense lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:50 PM
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Your definition of rape is totally ridiculous and would never hold up in any court of law in America. Getting pumped and dumped isn't rape. Smash and dash. Whatever you say. If it's consensual in the moment is all that matters, not what his intentions for marrying her lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 01:38 AM
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Spot on the first 3 points for guys. Only dudes who don't get laid are the ones who actually slut shame women. I'm a total slut as a man so I'm not one to ever shame how easy or often a woman gives it up. Baby momma thing can't speak much for. And as for my vast experiences with women, pretty accurate from my anecdotal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 01:33 AM
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OMG. I hope you find peace and serenity. Women like you are why men are afraid of approaching women in person and have fear of getting "me too'd". So you're literally saying a man who fucks a chick consensually is rape if he doesn't end up marrying her? This is literally modern day dating culture in western society. By your logic, 90% of single women have been raped in the last year in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 12:59 AM
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I think you're taking the word used too literally. I mean entering into a sexual relationship with a man thinking he wants more than sex but that's really all he's in it for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:06 PM
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I think it's more of a euphemism that's more subtle than implying it's primarily a physical connection. Some prefer it because it sounds like relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:34 PM
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Yeah on the rare cases where men do it it's referring to some kind of version of being friend zoned or settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:32 PM
2

Wow this is actually a wonderfully simple, concise summary of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:27 PM
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Yeah it was a huge red flag from the beginning. I did indeed consider her run through and told that to her. She was genuinely in love with me and completely obsessed with me to an unhealthy degree though. Think a lot of it came down to her not being chosen and me finally being the first to give her some semblance of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:16 PM
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No I'm just saying that doesn't turn me on. I prefer a woman to have interests that are different so we can compliment each other. I don't need her to be my bro. And yes I very much enjoy giving oral as often as she wants it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:07 PM
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Yes I'm aware. I'm saying it makes it sound much worse when the woman admits she was in a situationship because she was getting the short end of the stick.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:28 PM
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Nobody actually calls it a date. I mean just meeting for drinks at a dive bar and then going back to his place for sex. Most women aren't down to just go straight to a guys place for sex the first night especially if they met online.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:27 PM
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I think it's a bad idea to talk about past failed relationships in general but if you do, don't admit that you were just used for sex in hopes that he was eventually going to choose you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:25 PM
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Yes exactly. Well explained. From a man's perspective, it is insidious. Sounds much better to embrace it by saying fuck buddy which makes it sound mutually agreed upon arrangement rather than the guy just not liking her enough to exclusively date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:23 PM
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Yes my opinions are based on my own dating history obviously. She admitted she thought they were going to choose her eventually. She told me some of their names.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:20 PM
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No I'm just saying by using that term it implies she was hoping for more from a guy who just wanted sex from her. Of course women like sex but by using this term, it makes her sound delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:17 PM
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What extra work are you referring to? Most men in these situations I'm describing have sex with her within the first date or two
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:15 PM
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Yeah so he was just using the female lingo to saying he's ok just keeping it purely physical since some women are triggered by saying fuck buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:13 PM
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Agreed. But sadly you pretty much have to be a Chad to pull off saying you only want casual from the outset. Most men who are not obscenely attractive have to at least feign some long term romantic interest on the first date or so. Also most relationships these days start off casual and then progress to more serious gradually. The man could very well genuinely be open to both
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:12 PM
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Agreed. I've been guilty of this. Currently trying to only date women I see relationship potential with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:08 PM
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Exactly. So they shouldn't use the term even if it's honest. Makes her seem like she's a Chad chaser and has delusional expectations of her own SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:07 PM
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Feminine means she acts like a traditional woman. Doesn't have to be a total barbie but prefers to wear dresses over jeans and t shirts, enjoys cooking and homemaking, and most importantly doesn't try to be "one of the guys". If I want to hang out with dudes and talk about sports, stocks, and/or women, I'd just hang out with my actual guy friends. Other important traits are being physically attractive (not fat, clear skin, smooth hair, preferably have at least some boobs/ass/curves) and enjoying…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:00 PM
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Just make a lot of approaches and start off going for more attainable prospects (lesser attractive women) to practice and build your confidence.
/r/seduction10/10/25 05:48 PM
1

What is it then?
/r/seduction10/10/25 03:11 PM
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If you're referring to going for the close (asking for her number to set up a date) within a few min of initial conversation, yeah that can definitely work if she's giving you solid indicators of interest and most women don't want to talk for 30 min with a total stranger while they're out running errands during the day
/r/seduction10/10/25 02:19 PM
1

Bro just ask her out and stop overthinking It. Give her a time and place. Women prefer the man to take the lead and initiate.
/r/seduction09/10/25 05:31 PM
1

Fair enough. I've noticed of the woman I know IRL who also have these preferences, they don't find themselves very attracted to those men. They're either too effeminate or just not physically attracted to them. So my point is good looking finding that guy who's into all those things about you and who you also find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:23 PM
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Lol at the ambition, career, and humor being traits that women think most men actually highly value. Reminds me of all the failed dates I had with women who were attorneys, etc. Be hot, a freak in bed, kind/caring, soft spoken, and don't complain about trivial matters. It's really not that complicated to make me happy. Don't give a damn about her job/income and don't actually find most women to be remotely funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:42 PM
2

Great point. My mind also went to both of those theories.
/r/seduction09/10/25 02:28 PM
5

You don't try again bro. Walk away and find someone who actually wants to kiss you.
/r/seduction09/10/25 03:32 AM
5

Be direct and assertive in your initial approach. Compliment their looks right off the bat. Make it obvious that you're not talking to her to be friends.
/r/seduction08/10/25 09:46 PM
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The obvious one is when the woman sleeps with you within the first 2 or 3 dates. Other ones of just women in public are that they talk to you more than necessary, prolonged eye contact, smiling and laughing at all your stupid jokes.
/r/seduction08/10/25 09:29 PM
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Kind of in this position currently. My new gf does seem to have a high drive and enjoy sex overall but doesn't really enjoy oral and does it reluctantly which is pretty frustrating for me since just about every woman I dated before her was very generous in that department. But yes she happens to be one of the most attractive women I've ever dated so it doesn't bother me nearly as much as it would if she was just run of the mill in terms of looks. She's pretty great overall. Only drawback so far …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:49 PM
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WTF are you referring to with the balloon crack and roll. Is this code for something?
/r/seduction07/10/25 02:47 PM
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Yeah you waited too long to go for the close. Should have expressed romantic interest and asked her out for a date or to grab a drink after her shift. All in the convo where you were getting her number.
/r/seduction07/10/25 02:46 PM
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DC is pretty solid. Had good success there in both day and night game. Never lived in Miami but I imagine it's more competitive and superficial. Would need wealth/status to attract hot women in day game I imagine.
/r/seduction07/10/25 02:43 PM
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The harsh truth is you're probably just too old or not attractive enough to get the women you're interested in.
/r/seduction07/10/25 02:41 PM
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Seattle is by far the worst of those cities you listed. Only city worse in terms of quality of women in america would be San Francisco. On top of the awful gender ratio, the amount of hot women is paltry compared to most other large cities. Only briefly visited Portland a few times but it's not much better than Seattle in terms of quality of women. Boise would likely be too small to have solid selection and quality. I imagine most are locals but I've never actually visited there. Haven't been to…
/r/seduction07/10/25 02:38 PM
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Yes it's good to be friendly and practice talking to women but I wouldn't try the long game approach of pretending to be friends with her for months and then finally making a move.
/r/seduction07/10/25 02:32 PM
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Bro that's a fair question. No need to hate on those dudes. Plenty of people including women go to bars/clubs for the express intent of hooking up with someone that night. Remember, women like sex too.
/r/seduction07/10/25 02:30 PM
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Not many. I haven't really come across that many women who don't drink at all
/r/seduction06/10/25 02:53 PM
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Yeah one of my old neighbors was a male nurse and he probably pulled more ass than any other guy I've ever met. He was only like 5'7 but very fit and decently handsome. And white, so that always helps of course.
/r/seduction06/10/25 11:28 AM
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Yeah it's pretty simple to figure out. Does she kiss you early and often and want to fuck you regularly (enthusiastically)? If so, she's actually attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:24 AM
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Physical attractiveness doesn't equate to success with women but it gets you to 80%. Like missing a 30 yard field goal in the NFL. You have to be supremely fucked up mentally to not have any semblance of success with women if you're actually that attractive. Also Elliot Rodger wasn't really that conventionally attractive of a guy as you're saying
/r/seduction06/10/25 03:39 AM
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You're probably going after the hottest women at the bar. Lower your standards a bit. Approach the "easy money" chicks and you should have much better success. The ones who are hot enough to sleep with but nothing out of this world. Aka the 5s and 6s. Gotta work your confidence and game up to get to the 8s and 9s
/r/seduction05/10/25 01:56 PM
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Agreed. Just about every woman writes that she's looking for LTR but in reality most will give it up on the second date if they're attracted enough to you.
/r/seduction05/10/25 01:19 PM
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Nothing wrong with making your romantic intentions clear by complimenting her beauty during the initial approach. But you should actually ask her questions about herself and tell your own stories. Hot hot she is shouldn't be the only point of conversation lol. Don't compliment her beauty more than 3 times during the initial meeting.
/r/seduction03/10/25 07:43 PM
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Not hating. He's my friend and I love hearing his stories. He fully acknowledges none of these are chicks he'll wife up. He knows what they're looking for and why they're into him in particular
/r/seduction03/10/25 04:21 PM
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Yeah stereotypes exist for a reason. He's one. So are the chicks he hooks up with.
/r/seduction03/10/25 04:55 AM
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Like 40k followers. He also has an exotic car which he got purely as a pussy play pretty much. Isn't actually rich. Just puts all his discretionary income to the car
/r/seduction03/10/25 03:42 AM
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He's not even that tall. Like 5'10 or 11. But quite buff. And fits the stereotype of having a big dick
/r/seduction03/10/25 03:23 AM
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It's basically a porn term. He's a big buff black guy who goes for really slutty white chicks with major daddy issues. He fits the stereotype that they're looking for pretty much.
/r/seduction03/10/25 03:03 AM
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Not on IG anymore. Have a buddy who has good success using it for chicks though. But it's just for easy lays to add to his roster. No wife material types he's meeting that way. Let's just say he plays the black bull card really well. In terms of gf material chicks, most would like you not having one since most guys just follow a bunch of thirst traps anyway. The only ones who would consider it a red flag are probably chronically online themselves and that's a problem in of itself.
/r/seduction03/10/25 01:59 AM
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Yeah you shouldn't literally say you prefer lower effort. Better way to word it is to say you prefer more casual/ lower pressure dates. I also never do dinner as a first date. Can't remember the last time I took a woman for a sit down table service restaurant without sleeping with her first. First dates are almost always just drinks at a dive bar or a walk in the park.
/r/seduction02/10/25 06:49 PM
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Agreed. I think if they're still willing to give head while on their period, that's a sign of genuine interest.
/r/seduction02/10/25 02:47 PM
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Yeah SF is probably the worst dating market for men in America. NYC is one of the best. You'll almost definitely notice the difference right off the bat. More dudes than women. The actual quality of single women is substantially worse. The average women in SF would probably be considered a 4 on a good day in NYC. If you're into mid nerdy Asian chicks who worship white dudes, you'll clean up. But if you want a solid 7 or above white women, it's probably going to be a fool's errand. They're very f…
/r/seduction01/10/25 02:45 PM
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Wouldn't say it's quite 85%. But yes you should try to find women who align with your sober lifestyle.
/r/seduction01/10/25 02:33 PM
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Tbh drinking is a huge part of early stage dating for most people. Alcohol lowers inhibitions and it loosens you up. That's the main reason people do it in general, but especially when meeting a new person they might otherwise be a little nervous around. That doesn't mean it's not possible to date successfully without it. Just a fair warning it's going to be much harder in general. It's like driving a car without automatic power steering. Yes of course it's possible, but noticeably more cumberso…
/r/seduction30/09/25 10:13 PM
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Agreed. Best of luck bro. Feel free to DM if you want to chat in more detail.
/r/seduction30/09/25 09:52 PM
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Not surprised to hear that. From my fairly extensive experience (high double digit body count), I'd say almost 90% of women prefer to be more submissive in bed and want the sex to be on the rougher end of the spectrum. Very few chicks who truly enjoy gentle love making the majority of the time. They just want to get fucked hard and dominated to some degree.
/r/seduction30/09/25 03:49 PM
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Haha fair enough. Let's just say my bdsm results were pretty much the opposite lol. So it sounds like you probably should just find someone on your same "freak level" then. Is there something about the vanilla women that doesn't attract you as much, or have you just not really come across any yet?
/r/seduction30/09/25 03:03 PM
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I wouldn't go out of your way to be more of an asshole, especially if you're having decent success as you are currently. If you've already been with freaks who asked you to spit in their mouth and all, not sure what else you can do then just try to go with it. I was just going to suggest hooking up with high freak level women who can essentially train you, but looks like you've tried that. I guess it came naturally to me once I hooked up with my first few freaks in my early twenties. Learned tha…
/r/seduction30/09/25 02:10 PM
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Exactly. If she's already showing the crazy signs and withholding sex, this might be a sign that this isn't the one bro. Just tread carefully for now. Definitely don't cave on exclusivity until she opens up her legs again for a couple more weeks at least.
/r/seduction30/09/25 12:57 AM
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Thanks for the additional details. This piece on her pulling back after sleeping with you on the first date is potentially very concerning IMO. Withholding sex is a very crude but potentially effective tactic that some especially manipulative (crazy) women like to implement. I agree that just sleeping together once isn't enough to get sexual compatibility. But I'd be more concerned about the "pull back". Is she doing this until you commit to her exclusively? I'd tread carefully with #2 based on …
/r/seduction29/09/25 10:31 PM
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I liked your first point on the social media usage but somewhat disagree on this one. A woman who's super close with her father can be a double-edged sword. If she reveres and adores her father above any other man, that's an unrealistic and unhealthy standard to live up to. You'll never match up. My unpopular opinion is I think it's better if the woman you're dating slightly resents her father. For example she's totally fine with just talking to him once or twice a month on the phone and seeing …
/r/seduction29/09/25 10:17 PM
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This isn't exactly an apples to appear comparison as you've only been talking to woman #2 for a few weeks and presumably having even slept with her yet? I'd say it's crucial to vet sexual compatibility with both first before making any decisions. I think #2 just sounds more appealing because she's saying all the right things but you haven't known her long enough to get into any disagreements and see how she deals with conflict. I was in kind of a similar boat a few years ago and picked the wrong…
/r/seduction29/09/25 10:11 PM
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People make time for things and people that are important to them. She's not into you bro. Move on and find someone who is. When a woman is genuinely interested she won't make petty excuses like "not that close" lol
/r/seduction29/09/25 07:45 PM
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Well said, thanks for posting. "He who hesitates, masturbates". Always be closing.
/r/seduction29/09/25 07:31 PM
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I made a post about it a few weeks ago but it got removed because cold approach game isn't technically "seduction" according to the mods lol. Here it is copy pasted. Why eye contact is so important in cold approach and how to act on it. I'm newly single and was out at a bar (in America) with a buddy of mine last weekend. It was pretty dead - maybe just 15-20 total people in a large bar. Saw a gorgeous woman about my age (early thirties) and I think I caught her glancing at me from far across the…
/r/seduction29/09/25 05:37 PM
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Appreciate your reply. Not trying to manipulate. Just want her to genuinely be more enthusiastic about doing it unsolicited. So far she does seem to want to eventually. It's still relatively early on in the relationship so I'm not super concerned about it yet.
/r/seduction29/09/25 05:33 PM
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Yes boyfriend dick usually means slightly above average but not big enough to cause pain. Think like 6-6 5" and thicker than avg as well. One woman I dated used this term on our first date a couple years ago. Never heard it before or since.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:53 PM
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Yes that's fine. I typically do the same. You only need a minute or so to gauge if she's into you or not. No need to have a 15 min convo of small talk. Hey I think you're pretty and would love to get to know you better. Let's grab a drink sometime. Can I have your number? Not that complicated really.
/r/seduction29/09/25 04:40 PM
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Not correlated with her job or how attractive she is. Much higher correlation with her lifestyle choices and relationship with her father.
/r/seduction29/09/25 04:31 PM
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Short answer is yes. I recommend most men to focus on meeting women in person and only use apps as a supplement. You will meet women on apps that you will likely never run across in public. This could be because of geographic constraints, different schedules, you hang out at different places in your city, or a myriad of other reasons. You will also meet women IRL who you won't on dating apps, since not every single woman is on a dating app. Some people don't like the public nature of online dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:40 PM
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How long are you waiting before escalating physically? Sounds like it's too long and you're trapping yourself in the friend zone.
/r/seduction29/09/25 02:39 PM
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Yes it's a numbers game at the end of the day. I've been rejected far more times in cold approach vs my hits.
/r/seduction29/09/25 12:46 AM
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Appreciate your reply but I think you misunderstood the point a bit. I do definitely enjoy going down on her regularly as well. I'm just saying getting head is very important to me in both the short and long term and I can't consider a woman wife material unless she does that regularly. Glad it's working out with your husband but that wouldn't fly with me personally. I wouldn't consider marrying a woman who didn't blow me regularly and doesn't hate doing it.
/r/seduction28/09/25 06:23 PM
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The 9s and 10s are definitely harder to bag than the 7s and 8s. You generally need to have substantial wealth/fame/status. Or you have to have giga Chad level looks. Yes this includes being white.
/r/seduction28/09/25 06:36 AM
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Best wholesome compliment from a woman I was seriously dating: "I don't care what our plans are, as long as I'm with you, I'm happy." Best bedroom compliment: "You own this pussy. It's all yours". Another favorite was "damn, you should give lessons in pounding pussy"
/r/seduction27/09/25 08:10 PM
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I don't understand why you just come to troll. I hope you find peace and serenity.
/r/seduction27/09/25 07:59 PM
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Lol the point was just saying this isn't my first rodeo and saying I've had my fair share of action before her but think she's worth the extra effort because she's attractive enough and has a solid personality. If she was just another 5, I wouldn't even bother waiting around. The reason I'm asking this is because I think she has gf potential, not just another casual fling. And yes, physical appearance is definitely a factor in determining if a woman has keeper potential. I'm not trying to lock d…
/r/seduction27/09/25 02:07 PM
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Appreciate that perspective and your reply. This makes sense. There's plenty of time
/r/seduction27/09/25 02:37 AM
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Bro maybe you really are anti-social if you can only make one friend and it's this douchebag. Have you tried just going to bars alone or joining sports groups/volunteering? Maybe making friends through work? If you live in a large enough city you should be able to make friends who are neighbors as well if you live in a large apartment complex.
/r/seduction26/09/25 10:34 PM
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Yeah being white as a man is still the best since it's considered the default. If you're tall, decently fit and handsome you should be able to nab just about any kind of woman if you have enough game as a white guy. Most women of color would still give you a shot if you're hot enough. If you're a man of color, it's a different story.
/r/seduction26/09/25 09:48 PM
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I don't see how that's cockblocking. That would just be trying to give a fellow man constructive criticism. From my anecdotal experience, the vast majority of women do indeed prefer more masculine portraying men, vs effeminate ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 09:44 PM
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I'm slightly worried about this as well, but don't think it will get to that point. She does at least do it every time we've had sex (only a handful of times so far) and hasn't actually said she doesn't like doing it. I've had some partners in the past just flatly say they don't do that unless they're in an exclusive relationship because it's too intimate, or they just hate doing it altogether because they find it nasty or too degrading. Needless to say, I didn't proceed with those relationships…
/r/seduction26/09/25 09:38 PM
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Yeah I can count on one hand how many times I've had sex before first getting some head. She does do it every time but reluctantly and with little enthusiasm like I said. Not going to threaten to not smash if she doesn't do it for at least 10 min though. That might be a bit too hold haha
/r/seduction26/09/25 08:43 PM
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I agree. If she doesn't like giving you head she's not really that into you.
/r/seduction26/09/25 08:42 PM
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Appreciate your reply. I've tried some of the reinforcement tactics already but can continue. Saying it outside the bedroom is a great idea since she doesn't really seem to like dirty talk or talking in general while in bed. The trip will be a great opportunity for sure.
/r/seduction26/09/25 08:40 PM
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Appreciate your reply. Option 1 is pretty straight forward and I can definitely do that. As for option 2, I also have plenty of experience being a dom as I insuated in the post, but I'm not certain yet she's that freaky to try it. She seems to prefer sex on the more gentle side while I prefer to be rougher and dominate. I'll give it a shot though and try to ease her into it. She does really like me a lot so it should be feasible. Thanks again bro.
/r/seduction26/09/25 08:37 PM
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Thanks for your reply. I've tried the "my turn first" line before a long time ago and I don't think it's a good one. It's basically asking her. Best when she wants to do it genuinely without any soliciting. Sometimes I try saying something like please get it wet first but even that I feel weird about saying.
/r/seduction26/09/25 06:41 PM
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Yes exactly. You have to be at least above average yourself to pull this off, aka 6 or higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:36 PM
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Go for the "easy money" chicks to remind yourself you still got it. Builds your confidence up and gets you reps in terms of both game and sex to get you ready for the ones you would actually consider seriously dating.
/r/seduction26/09/25 03:32 PM
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If she has a genuine, burning desire for you, she will make it relatively obvious. Don't bother wasting time with women who say things like you're not their usual type. I learned this the hard way myself. If you're willing and secure enough, a way to seek the ones who make it obvious is to target women who have lower SMV than you. If she sees you as someone who could potentially nab a higher SMV woman, she's more likely to be really into you. Classic ways to gauge this is physical attractiveness…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:28 PM
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In general, I've found it's typically a huge waste of time being genuine friends with most women. I just can't talk to them the same way as I do with guy friends and have to be fake or censor myself. It's only really possible when neither of you have any physical/sexual attraction to each other. Has to be both ways. These were the only genuine female friendships I've had in my life. So in your case, don't do it if you presume she's actually into you. If you marched on a dating app, that's most l…
/r/seduction26/09/25 03:22 PM
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Men who don't regularly get laid hate sluts. Guys who don't have any issues having casual sex don't share this opinion. The promiscuous women are the ones who are keeping us sane by regularly providing quality sex. All that being said, the degree of a woman's promiscuity does definitely impact her chances of being "chosen" by a man for a serious, committed relationship. As well as her age of course. Most men would consider her a "sleeper" rather than a "keeper" if she's had an especially promisc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:12 PM
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It's usually referring to being facially handsome. Square jawline, full head of hair, facially symmetrical, nice teeth and good smile overall, striking eyes. All of this also implies you're at least moderately in shape, aka not fat. Very overweight guys never get this compliment.
/r/seduction26/09/25 02:52 PM
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Well I'm just saying you still have to initiate and fake the lead
/r/seduction24/09/25 04:04 PM
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Too many to choose from. The worst is probably from my mother. Develop a strong friendship first and then have it naturally grow to be more romantic. Similar to yours OP. Another classic idiotic piece of advice is to just be yourself and not initiate/approach. The right woman will just fall into your lap when it's the right moment. Total crock of shit. This only might work if you have incredible wealth/fame/status or if you're ridiculously attractive.
/r/seduction24/09/25 03:44 PM
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Flirt/compliment with him a bit and just randomly ask him "so when are you taking me out for a drink?. We should continue this conversation outside of the office."
/r/seduction24/09/25 02:36 PM
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Oh that probably explains it then. You don't even have your own place? Most chicks in America at least expect/prefer you to invite them back to your place for the first few lays at least.
/r/seduction23/09/25 11:01 PM
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Sounds like you're just being too nice and not direct/assertive enough. If you're doing that many approaches and assuming you're not exclusively going for super hot women (8+), you should be getting at least a few first date and especially 2nd date lays. When I was actively running game a few years ago (in America), most of my lays happened on the second date.
/r/seduction23/09/25 10:33 PM
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You need to make your romantic intentions clear from the outset. Best way to not get friend zoned is to compliment their looks directly and always go for the kiss on the first date. Don't be their own pal. Don't pretend to want to be their friend.
/r/seduction22/09/25 03:30 PM
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Agreed. Don't ask out a woman unless you're actually available to see her within a week
/r/seduction22/09/25 03:22 PM
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Height, looks, and race are still the greatest factor by far in terms of being able to pull a substantial amount of women, especially attractive ones.
/r/seduction21/09/25 06:03 PM
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Wholeheartedly agree. They don't call it easy money for nothing. A 6 is substantially easier to pull than even an 8. Same with a 5 vs 7
/r/seduction21/09/25 06:02 PM
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Don't trust (or take literally) what women write on dating apps. Even the most promiscuous chicks say they're looking for LTR on their bio. It's all a game. Vast majority of women are actually down to sleep with a guy within 2-3 dates if she's physically attracted to him, regardless of what they say on their profile. So you have to also put looking for LTR and all that, otherwise they'll just filter you out.
/r/seduction21/09/25 03:13 PM
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After 6 dates if she hasn't agreed to come back to your place, sounds like she's just not that interested. Have you ever tried to get her to actually come back home with you while you were already out on a date together?
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:36 PM
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The YouTube idea is dumb. Focus on improving your cold approach game bro.
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:22 PM
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Lol I didn't copy-paste it. Very odd that he chose to delete it since it wasn't even personal or controversial
/r/seduction19/09/25 03:54 AM
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I'm a dude but have been on hundreds of dates (maybe about 25% were from meeting online) and have gotten the no spark line maybe 5-10 times. It almost always means she's not physically/sexually attracted to you. You're not her usual type. Even though you might regularly be called handsome by other people, that doesn't necessarily mean SHE finds you attractive. Oftentimes this isn't just about facially handsome. It could also be her desired body type (even if you're in good shape, some prefer a h…
/r/seduction18/09/25 03:36 AM
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Cold approach definitely still works. You just have to be realistic with your targets and know how to do it properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 09:53 PM
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Solid tips. I've been following just about all of these for years and it works for me. Thanks for sharing.
/r/seduction17/09/25 08:22 PM
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Yes of course. I'm assuming most guys on this sub are relatively normal men who don't have tremendous fame, status, or wealth. And aren't already obscenely physically attractive.
/r/seduction17/09/25 08:09 PM
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Agreed. Extroverted men almost always have more success with women since men are expected to be assertive and direct and these traits are usually lacking in introverted men. I disagree with the part about introverted women though. I'd say the vast majority of women I've met identify as introverted. But the thing is most of them subconsciously prefer being with an extroverted guy. Almost no women prefer an introvert man.
/r/seduction17/09/25 03:02 PM
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Simple answer is that most women still want the mean to lead and initiate especially the first few times. Lots of men are bad at reading subtle hints of interest and fail to escalate.
/r/seduction16/09/25 01:17 PM
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Try to escalate physically. Assuming you mean you haven't even progressed to intimacy yet. Kiss on first date. Sex by the third or fourth.
/r/seduction15/09/25 10:44 PM
1

A man's SMV is determined by the attractiveness of the women he's able to secure sex from. A woman's SMV is determined by the attractiveness of the men she's able to secure commitment from. Men are the gatekeepers of commitment, while women are the gatekeepers of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:30 PM
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Yes bro this is day one fundamentals. Basic way to build physical escalation.
/r/seduction14/09/25 10:09 PM
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Unless you're Chad , you pretty much have to just treat it like any normal date. Never bring up sex through msg before actually meeting up. The same women who says looking for LTR on her profile is just as likely to sleep with you on the first date as the one who says she's down for casual. But the thing is pretty much 90% of women say they're seeking LTR so you just have to play that game. The simplest way I've found to target the ones who are "below your league". They will be more likely to be…
/r/seduction13/09/25 03:42 PM
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Yes I always go for the first kiss if it's lasted at least 2 hours.
/r/seduction11/09/25 03:44 PM
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Do you dress/walk/talk like a typical white guy? This might help make you seem more approachable /less intimidating if you're trying to date non black women. But the sad reality is around 70-80% of non-black women will filter you out (online or IRL) as a serious dating prospect simply because of your race. And about half wouldn't even consider sleeping with a black guy. For context, I'm an Indian American guy who's mostly dated outside of my race. It's bad for me but I've learned to make the mos…
/r/seduction10/09/25 03:58 PM
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Slump buster
/r/seduction09/09/25 12:36 AM
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Tbh I've heard this line from women who were clearly below my league as well after I already slept with them. Some chicks are truly bad with time management and prioritization. But yes in general, if she gives you this line it's usually because she's just not that into you.
/r/seduction08/09/25 11:13 PM
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It just means they're not that physically attracted to you. You aren't their first choice. People make time for people that matter to them.
/r/seduction08/09/25 10:48 PM
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Beyond the need to work on your mental stability and composure that others have already mentioned, it just sounds like you're probably shooting above your league. Maybe try targeting women who are more realistic targets? Go for the low hanging fruits just to get your confidence back up. I'm talking 5s and 6s rather than 9s and 10s.
/r/seduction08/09/25 02:17 PM
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The age gap is where I spotted BS. Sorority girls in college almost never hook up with non frat guys, let alone anyone over the age of 25. This reads like a porn script lol.
/r/seduction08/09/25 02:05 PM
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Does she at least regularly give you head? Personally I wouldn't consider even dating a woman exclusively until we regularly have sex together (oral and penetrative pretty much every time we see each other) but that's just my personal "intimacy boundary". To each their own.
/r/seduction07/09/25 10:21 PM
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Short answer is yes. Women in the 32-38 bracket are substantially easier than those in the mid to late twenties. In that range, they're in the peak "Chad chasing" years and/or too career/school focused. And women under 25 you pretty much have to meet them as college sweethearts and/or be at that same stage of life as them. A 22 yr old is highly unlikely to be interested in a 28 yr old. They only date within 2-3 years of themselves.
/r/seduction07/09/25 04:35 AM
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They're probably trying to make their white bf mad/jealous since they assume his biggest fear is his gf getting railed by a black dude. You should just try to smash asap when this happens bro.
/r/seduction06/09/25 09:53 PM
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I don't know what to say if you have a rough face card. Are you super fit? Maybe that can be your saving grace.
/r/seduction06/09/25 08:21 PM
2

Focus on cold approach. Are you trying night game at bars/clubs?
/r/seduction06/09/25 05:16 PM
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Stare right back until you lock eyes and give her a light smile. If she reciprocates with a smile then go in for the approach.
/r/seduction06/09/25 03:29 PM
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Most chicks in western dating markets like America will go on dates with multiple guys within days of each other, but once they start sleeping with a guy they see bf potential with, they stop sleeping with other men. They try to secure commitment (exclusivity) with that man. When a woman gives you the "I actually just started seeing someone" line when you cold approach, that almost always means she recently slept with a new guy 1+ times but they haven't had the exclusive talk yet.
/r/seduction06/09/25 03:13 PM
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Bro the sub is literally called seduction. What do you think that word means? Seducing people into platonic friendships?
/r/seduction06/09/25 05:25 AM
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Why are you so focused on developing friendships rather than actually working game and trying to develop romantic interest from women?
/r/seduction05/09/25 10:22 PM
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Make eye contact and try to catch them looking back. Give a light smile. Then proceed with the approach.
/r/seduction05/09/25 06:47 PM
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Sounds like you're a wiser man than me haha. Truly dating with intention.
/r/seduction05/09/25 06:33 PM
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Ok maybe you don't have to wait until exclusivity to have the talk but you definitely don't need to have it before getting intimate. In order to develop a deep connection, you likely need to develop the physical connection first like most men do. Just let it progress naturally bro. Don't put the carriage in front of the horse. One step at a time.
/r/seduction05/09/25 06:02 PM
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Sounds like you're getting too deep with your convos on the first date. I've approached thousands of women and been on many hundreds of dates. Are you looking to date for marriage asap or are you also open to building physical connection and all before? I do probably want kids eventually but this topic almost never comes up that early. If a woman is actually into you, she will be open to having sex and vetting physical compatibility relatively early on (by the end of the third date typically). L…
/r/seduction05/09/25 05:35 PM
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You're referring to women who are for the streets. Not all women are this disloyal.
/r/seduction05/09/25 04:43 PM
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Peak in terms of pulling women was ages 29-31. Pulled about as many bodies (~40) in that span as I did in the 10 years prior.
/r/seduction04/09/25 09:16 PM
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Approaching 5 women a week is more than most guys. Would hardly call that seldom. But to answer your question, I definitely prefer meeting women IRL. Retired from the online game years ago. Low volume of matches, higher flake ratio, and lower quality of dates (almost always less attractive than their photos).
/r/seduction04/09/25 08:48 PM
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Why waste 10 min when you're not reading positive vibes and the conversation is like pulling teeth? Yes if she's very receptive and engaging you can turn it into a date of sorts. But in a bar type environment you don't need much more than a minute to get the digits especially if she's on her way out.
/r/seduction04/09/25 06:59 PM
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In America it's still pretty common but of course less so than in alcohol infused nighttime environments like clubs. But even in the office I once in a while catch the "fuck me eyes" every now and then.
/r/seduction04/09/25 06:00 PM
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At a club it's literally all about eye contact and sexual tension. You can't really talk much since it's so loud. Doesn't really matter what you say but I'd recommend just being direct and complimenting their beauty and introducing yourself. Put the hook in the pond many times and see which fish bites. Don't be afraid of rejection. the point is it's pretty much all comes down to raw physical/sexual attraction in a nightclub environment
/r/seduction04/09/25 03:26 PM
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Great callout. Thanks for sharing. I agree.
/r/seduction04/09/25 01:45 PM
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Unpopular opinion but I do definitely believe in leagues. Very rare to see couples of the same age range IRL who aren't in the same general ballpark of physical attractiveness. Unless the man has substantial wealth, status, or fame, it's nearly impossible to pull a 9 when you're a 5 for example.
/r/seduction03/09/25 02:52 PM
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If you're not physically attractive and you want to bag women above your league, you typically need to have substantial wealth, status, or fame.
/r/seduction03/09/25 02:34 PM
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Ok good. Online should just be a supplement and IRL should be primary method IMO. In terms of the time and effort you put in. Also if you're doing online, don't invest 2+ weeks into chatting before meeting up. Just setting yourself up for disappointment at that point. Set up a date within a handful of messages and make it within a week of initially matching.
/r/seduction03/09/25 02:29 PM
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First off, always go for the kiss if the first date has lasted at least 2 hours. If you get snubbed, don't ask for a second date. That's usually a pretty strong indicator that she isn't romantically attracted to you. If she does want to kiss (I have over a 90% success rate with getting a solid kiss when I apply this rule personally), just text her later that night. Hope you made it home safe. Had a great time. Looking forward to seeing you again soon! If you haven't already done so during the fi…
/r/seduction03/09/25 02:25 PM
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Literally LOL'd. Yeah nothing like a bro in the flesh to support and encourage you. Oldest trick in the book.
/r/seduction02/09/25 09:39 PM
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Go find some "easy money" to bang. A woman you wouldn't actually date but is just good enough to sleep with. Aka below your league. This should hold you out for a few more months.
/r/seduction02/09/25 08:18 PM
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If you're worried she doesn't look like her profile photos how about you just focus on meeting women IRL through cold approach? In general I haven't asked a woman to send photos before actually going on a date and meeting her in person.
/r/seduction02/09/25 06:40 PM
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Never been to Australia but I couldn't imagine this happening at any of the clubs I've been to in America. Pretty much the only reasons you can get kicked out are fist fighting, harassing the DJ, or being clearly wasted and throwing up on the dance floor. Drunk people making out is literally what clubs were made for lol.
/r/seduction02/09/25 02:32 PM
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With matches on dating apps, you should go into the first date assuming that best case scenario she will look like her worst photo. It's just a date. Keep it low stakes. Weekday. Just drinks at a casual bar, no dinner reservations. Also it's promising that her body looks good in the photos but face not so much. Usually it's the other way around where you're worried she may be a little chunkier than you'd prefer and she turns out to be a full blown whale. For the face she might just not be photog…
/r/seduction02/09/25 02:18 PM
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Age was likely the barrier in this case and you asked for contact info too soon. Feel free to DM if you want to chat in more detail
/r/seduction01/09/25 11:03 PM
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Good job in at least trying to make an attempt. But here's where you went wrong. Asking do you have Instagram is dumb right off the bat. You could've just said hey you're cute, what's your name? And then introduce yourself, gauge receptiveness. See if she's smiling, giving eye contact, asking you questions back, etc. If you have good banter for a few min then you can close asking for her number or IG. Also going for a chick who you think might be a minor is not a smart move. Most women in that 1…
/r/seduction01/09/25 10:51 PM
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Bro this delusional. Feel free to DM me if you want to chat in more detail and I can prove otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:51 PM
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This obviously depends on what type of woman you're going for but also your looks and race but we're not allowed to talk about that on this sub lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:45 PM
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Dude get off the internet and actually go approach women IRL. Maybe do night game first (bars/clubs) as it's more natural for single people to expect to meet in such an environment. If you've never even attempted a bar pickup, you can't go straight into the public park/train station game.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:43 PM
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Terribly negative black pill garbage mindset. I've done thousands of cold approaches in my life and can count on one hand how many were actually disgusted/bothered by me going for it. Vast majority are flattered and at least smile, say thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:39 PM
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Lol to each their own. Yeah if you are a 5 or below man and you want an attractive woman to genuinely love/fuck you regularly, the only way is to have wealth/fame/status. And even then it won't be truly genuine. Otherwise you need to get to a minimum level of physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:38 PM
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WTF. So are you just too afraid to meet women IRL? Do you have substantial luck on dating apps already in terms of getting matches/dates/sex? Why are you hating on dudes cold approaching?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:35 PM
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I think you're totally missing the point. Yes women are hypergamous so they ideally want to date up. But my point is as a guy don't go for women who are substantially more attractive than you. It will just be embarrassing as you have no realistic shot. So if you're a 5 man go for women in the 3-6 range. Don't even attempt to go for women who you perceive as 7 or higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:33 PM
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Well average is highly subjective of course. Are you attracted to said "average" looking man? That's the point I'm getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:30 PM
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Awful take. OP I think you're just imagining a short, old, fat (unattractive) guy. If it's a man you're highly attracted to there would probably not be an issue with it at all. In fact, most women are usually very flattered by guys who shoot their shot in public since so few guys have the balls to even try anymore. The key is being realistic with who you approach. Target women who are in the same ballpark in terms of age range and general attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 09:23 PM
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Lot of people are going to call cap but I believe it. This is just a classic case of finding a "bitch in heat". It's rare but sometimes they really are this horny/primal and just want it right then and there.
/r/seduction01/09/25 08:29 PM
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So you didn't even kiss any of them before they agreed to come back to your place and 2/3 of them actually made the move on you for sex? Coming from a guy who's done thousands of cold approaches and had a few dozen same day pulls, this just doesn't really seem all the plausible unless you're a man of high status/fame.
/r/seduction01/09/25 04:52 PM
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So did you just get their number. What happened after "leaving together?"
/r/seduction01/09/25 05:39 AM
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Nightclubs is probably the easiest place to do solo game since you aren't really expected to talk much anyway. All about eye contact and just asking if they want to dance. Most importantly go for realistic targets of course.
/r/seduction01/09/25 05:04 AM
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No that's just another silly form of manipulation. Better to be direct and am assertive and make it clear that you have romantic/sexual intentions with her. Most women appreciate that vs silly games like pretending to be friends.
/r/seduction01/09/25 05:02 AM
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No need for a wingman if you have solo game.
/r/seduction01/09/25 03:29 AM
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Great post. I've been applying similar strategies like this to my game for many years now. Be direct and assertive but also light hearted and conversational. Story telling is truly an art.
/r/seduction31/08/25 06:30 PM
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Go out and touch some grass bro. I've been working game like this for 10+ years. Plenty of guys out there in real life who are regularly having these experiences.
/r/seduction30/08/25 11:17 PM
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Yeah the key is going for realistic targets. Similar age range and attractiveness level to yourself. I'm not out here going for 21 yr old blonde bombshells.
/r/seduction30/08/25 03:09 PM
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I think it's best to be assertive and directly compliment her beauty. Another slightly more subtle way is to see her dress looks lovely or something like that.
/r/seduction30/08/25 06:35 AM
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Doesn't quite add up. They would be more likely to only lust if you were taller. And why aren't you fucking them? This way you don't even really know if it's lust or just teasing.
/r/seduction30/08/25 02:41 AM
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Yeah I also recommend just getting reps of having convos with men and older/married/unattractive women just to get warmed up.
/r/seduction30/08/25 02:10 AM
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You think I made it up? It's not really all that wild bro. I'm not saying she was a super model or anything. Just very much my type. And we haven't even banged yet.
/r/seduction29/08/25 11:42 PM
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You have to maintain frame and then engage both of them in conversation with your focus still on the primary target. Good that you still tried to get her number. There's also the small possibility that the other girl was actually friends but there just playing your pretending to be strangers as a way to purposely get her friend to cockblock you since she wasn't interested.
/r/seduction29/08/25 04:13 PM
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Eye contact. Men can read it. Look at a man consecutively for 4+ seconds and he'll know you're into him and will eventually get the hint to come over and make a move.
/r/seduction29/08/25 03:03 PM
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For the initial seduction phase? Almost no value. For getting her to commit to an LTR and eventually marry, it may be more valuable. In the initial stages it all comes down to physical attraction and how you make her feel with your words. Your hobbies have little to no effect.
/r/seduction29/08/25 03:02 PM
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Yeah I'm not disagreeing with that but OP is trying to flex his game as a PUA, not being really good at sex. So I'm just asking him how many of his approaches did he actually get in bed? If he made 100 approaches and only actually slept with 1 a lot of times that doesn't mean he's successful at picking up.
/r/seduction28/08/25 09:27 PM
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If you could have any job in the world just for one day just for the experience of it (not power or money), what would it be?
/r/seduction28/08/25 07:38 PM
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She's already rejected giving you her number. Even if all she wanted was dick she'd probably still give you her number. She's not interested bro.
/r/seduction28/08/25 07:34 PM
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Ah ok so the height definitely helps but I know the Asian hurts. I say that as a 5'9 Asian guy myself.
/r/seduction28/08/25 03:49 PM
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You must be ridiculously attractive (and shooting well below your league), assuming these stories are true. From my experience, it's very rare for a woman to invite you back to her place in general, let alone on the first date. I can count on one hand how many first time lays happened at her place and maybe 1 of them was on the first night.
/r/seduction28/08/25 02:53 PM
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Yeah this is very deceiving. 1000+ times could literally just be having sex with the same 1 woman every day for 3 years. OP, what is your actual body count?
/r/seduction28/08/25 02:36 PM
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Lock in the eye contact and don't look away, give her a light smile. See if she smiles or looks nervous/scared. If she seems receptive, go in for the approach. Compliment her and ask for her name and introduce yourself.
/r/seduction28/08/25 02:33 PM
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Yeah pretty much. Unless you're actually describing a very obvious ONS situation. Then I'm even more direct/assertive. Playing with house money at that point essentially so I try riskier approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:23 PM
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Just say "I think you're absolutely gorgeous. I'd love to keep in touch and get to know you better. Can I have your number? Would love to take you out for drinks sometime soon." Really not that complicated bro. Be direct and assertive. You got this.
/r/seduction28/08/25 02:20 PM
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In a sober environment it's almost impossible to be that direct but if it's something like a pool party and you catch her really staring you may have a shot. Yes I've only tried such a direct approach a handful of times but it has worked. It's all about reading eye contact and body language.
/r/seduction27/08/25 03:26 PM
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These have typically been alcohol infused late night pickups at bars/clubs. It's usually a woman who's clearly looking for dick that night. Read the eye contact, lock in eyes, approach, be assertive, and go for the close. You're basically playing with house money at this point. Have to act like there's nothing to lose. I've been very direct in such situations. Basically just say we're going to fuck tonight. Are you down?
/r/seduction27/08/25 02:14 PM
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Don't wear headphones or sunglasses. Don't be looking at your phone or a phone call. Make eye contact and give a light smile if you catch him looking. Dress well/wear makeup. Look attractive and approachable.
/r/seduction27/08/25 12:12 AM
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Bro why would you go on a date with someone you just want to be friends with. And for fwb you pretty much have to bang that same night of the date. The first date is just a formality. Just drop both and find a woman who's into you that you also are physically attracted to.
/r/seduction26/08/25 10:01 PM
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It's tough when you've already gone on a date with her. Would be much easier if you were in the middle of the set and have not yet escalated for the close. Why didn't you go for the kiss on the first date? Just no physical/sexual chemistry? I wouldn't recommend getting introduced to the friend now as it will just make it look like that was your plan from the beginning.
/r/seduction26/08/25 09:48 PM
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When I'm single probably around 10 a week on average. Night game is obviously much higher volume than day game since that's pretty much the whole point of going out to a bar/club.
/r/seduction26/08/25 08:37 PM
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No this isn't the friend zone since they're kissing making out with you. Sounds like you're just having trouble escalating beyond first base. Have you tried talking about sex and told them how much you want them? Have you tried touching her leg, breast, etc.? Have you tried having her feel your boner? These are all pretty basic moves bro. You got this. Just be assertive. Or you're just finding prudes who don't put out. It's very rare for a chick to come back to my place and literally just want t…
/r/seduction26/08/25 06:55 PM
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It's bad for both to have high counts but I'd say the trauma/baggage is about 10x for women. So a woman with a count of 5 is equivalent to a man with 50. This also takes into account how most women don't count sucking dick towards the count so the 5 is probably closer to 12-15 in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:48 PM
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Yeah oral should definitely count towards the body count but most women don't consider that. So basically double the number she tells you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:46 PM
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Bro this is wild. You got rejected before she had a kid and then she gave you another shot after she had another man's kid? This dictionary definition of cuckolding. Are you helping raise /support that child?
/r/seduction26/08/25 03:17 PM
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Unless she was definitely some of the best sex you've ever had or she is actually solid gf potential, no I wouldn't go on such a date. Sounds like you don't really want more than a fuck buddy situation with, and you have to give her the gf experience and book a hotel all just to get laid. But hey if you do actually like her, then sure go for it. I've had some fuck buddy's that I tried to escalate into girlfriends.
/r/seduction26/08/25 02:27 PM
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It's a numbers game bro. From my experience, day game (parks, grocery stores, etc.) conversion of number to date is about 1 in 5. So it's slightly higher than night game (bars/clubs) which is about 1 in 7. Anyone that's telling you that they are converting 50% or more is either lying or has some other major advantage going for them like status/game.
/r/seduction26/08/25 02:18 PM
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For night game it definitely helps to have a wingman but only if he's good looking and has a decent amount of game himself. He has to be enough of a catch that he can pull her friend(s) away so you can lock in on your girl. For day game (like parks or train stations), solo is better.
/r/seduction25/08/25 08:39 PM
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If you don't actually enjoy drinking making a high volume of approaches at bars/clubs can be frustrating especially if you're doing it solo. But purely in terms of casting a wide net and making lots of approaches, bar scene is great. Conversion rate to a date will be lower but your potential volume is higher since nearly every woman at a bar is single typically. Less chance of you running into the bf excuse. Also alcohol is a natural disinhibitor.
/r/seduction25/08/25 02:12 PM
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If he's experienced enough he'll probably take the hint from the note and make a move at some point soon. But if he's never had a casual hookup like that before, maybe he'll be oblivious. There's also the small chance he regrets it since you both were drunk.
/r/seduction25/08/25 02:02 PM
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Bro don't listen to anyone who's pushing supplements and all these other shady tactics. The way to get good at cold approach is to just do it (literally hundreds of reps) while trying to maximize yourself in terms of physical and mental fortitude.
/r/seduction24/08/25 10:43 PM
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I think this actually a pretty decent take but sounds like I'm in the minority. Yes while women can theoretically approach, but so few actually do. Unless you count initiating on IG or dating apps. I'm referring to cold approach. The harsh reality is that the vast majority of single women want the man to initiate, be assertive, and express his desire for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 08:03 PM
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Yeah this has got to be a joke. Homie really wants us to believe he moved to Saudi Arabia and just expected to pick up chicks at bars or what?
/r/seduction23/08/25 12:35 AM
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Lol the friends first thing just probably means she's just saying she's not a slut and won't put out on the first date. Most women know that a man isn't going to keep giving her the time of day if there's not any sexual progression within a couple of dates. She was just testing you bro.
/r/seduction21/08/25 08:29 PM
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Sometimes women play hard to get or act more modest than they really are to not slut shame themselves. Yes as a general rule, it's typically best to be assertive and just go for it.
/r/seduction21/08/25 04:48 PM
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Just strike up a conversation. Say I don't believe we've met. What department are you in? How long have you worked here? Where did you move from? Just the standard getting to know you questions.
/r/seduction21/08/25 04:47 PM
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Ah ok. Well do you try to escalate to taking them home with you and progressing the relationship sexually? I'm thinking they're getting tired of waiting around for you to finally make a move.
/r/seduction21/08/25 02:00 PM
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Sounds like you're not initiating escalation. Most women want the man to be assertive and take the lead.
/r/seduction21/08/25 01:40 PM
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It wasn't exactly smooth but the boldest line I ever used and thought of in the spur of the moment was this one. I was traveling in a different city and leaving the next day. I knew there was almost no chance I'll ever see this lady again so I was playing with house money essentially. We had met earlier in the week and got her number to ask her for drinks on my last day of the trip. Once we had a few drinks in us and I was sensing a little sexual tension, I just said "NAME, how do you feel about…
/r/seduction20/08/25 03:20 PM
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Yes this is the slightly negative connotation of the term "wife material". Most guys I know IRL who have Chad-like looks and can get pretty much any women they want have ended up marrying the safe choice. Not an objectively undesirable woman by any means, but far from the most attractive he's ever been with. And probably not the freakiest in the sack either. But she's just good enough to exceed the minimum thresholds in those categories and also has other long term qualities that Stacy probably …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:07 PM
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Great post. "He who hesitates, masturbates". Meet people in person and do as many cold approaches as possible.
/r/seduction20/08/25 01:53 PM
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First lay is typically on the second date and I'd say over 80% prefer to go back to the man's place. When it happens on the first date, it's almost always back at mine.
/r/seduction19/08/25 02:40 PM
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My thoughts exactly. It you're not white, it's going to be pretty damn hard picking up women in a foreign non English speaking country. If you are white, what race/ethnicity is the majority of the female population?
/r/seduction19/08/25 01:34 AM
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For the first one I've found that same night as meeting hookups (ONS and not a date scheduled in advance) are pretty damn hard (unlikely) to convert to a regular fuck buddy / FWB, let alone a girlfriend. I think it's either because they slut shame themselves or that's really all they wanted and aren't looking for anything consistent with just one guy at the moment. This is all assuming you're pretty confident you fucked them right. They moaned/cummed and/or literally told you how good you are at…
/r/seduction19/08/25 01:29 AM
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Interesting you've had this experience. I'd say over 90% of my lays started with a kiss in public. Very rare that she wants to come back home with me before kissing first.
/r/seduction18/08/25 07:41 PM
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From my anecdotal experience, I think women aged 25-31 are essentially the unicorns of the dating market. They're either already taken or are still "Chad chasing" since they're still close to their physical peak. Seemingly way more single women aged 18-24 but like you said it's quite a different stage of life than being 27 especially if you're out of school and are working full time. That leaves the 32-38 bracket which is a very high volume of single, childless women, but they have substantially…
/r/seduction17/08/25 08:13 PM
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From my anecdotal experience, I think women aged 25-31 are essentially the unicorns of the dating market. They're either already taken or are still "Chad chasing" since they're still close to their physical peak. Seemingly way more single women aged 18-24 but these ones very rarely date guys over 30. That leaves the 32-38 bracket which is very high volume of single, childless women, but they have substantially more trauma/baggage than women in their twenties.
/r/seduction17/08/25 08:10 PM
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Yes I've lost female friends because I was too blunt with the dating advice I was giving them. Most just can't handle the harsh truth that just because a man fucks you, doesn't mean he wants to marry you. Many are also delusional into thinking they're of much higher SMV than they actually are and fail to go after realistic options when I suggest this to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 07:32 PM
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Yes I do have a fair amount of "game" if that's what you're referring to by timing. But I do think some base level of physical attractiveness is necessary to be successful at playing the cold approach volume method. For example, If I was 5'5, or 50 pounds overweight, or balding, I wouldn't be able to close with nearly as women as I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 07:27 PM
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The easiest way to hook up with a lot of women (assuming you're a regular guy and not the star quarterback) is to join a fraternity. If you do, you basically have exclusive access to sorority girls which are typically the most attractive women in the college. If you don't want to join a frat, just approach a lot of women. In class, dining hall, walking around campus, wherever. You'll probably never have this many options of being around attractive, single women ever again in your life in the sam…
/r/seduction16/08/25 06:53 PM
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Yes but only the top 5-10% of men. The vast majority of men do not experience this unless they're incredibly good looking or have substantial status/wealth/fame. I've approached literally thousands of woman and have a high double digit body count. Point is, I know I'm reasonably attractive as I don't really have trouble getting dates/sex. I can count on one hand how many women have approached me in my entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 06:45 PM
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Of course it's a bit exaggerated for TV but I think it's not too far off from reality. While he doesn't play up the fame/money aspect it definitely doesn't hurt to have. Since he's a successful writer, he's very well spoken and charismatic which of course helps with trying to pick up women. And then of course the physical traits can't be forgotten. While he's not exactly a young Armani model, he's tall enough (probably about 6'1), White, has a full head of hair, and has a six pack. This is enoug…
/r/seduction16/08/25 12:07 AM
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Assuming you mean before the first time you've slept with her and not a regular sexual partner. Yes I've done it twice. Both were pretty drunken situations and yes it did work.
/r/seduction11/08/25 11:47 PM
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High double digit body count so probably more experience than I'd like to admit. Been on close to 500 first dates in my life. Bro it's definitely not 90%. Also just because she thinks it's kinda hot watching porn or kissed a chick one time when she was 19 doesn't mean she'll actually get naked and eat another woman's pussy and enjoy watching her man fuck another woman in front of her.
/r/seduction11/08/25 11:45 PM
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Well the above advice is when you're already pretty certain they're ready. But in general, you need to escalate physical/sexual tension. If they accept your invitation to you place that usually means they're good to go.
/r/seduction11/08/25 03:52 PM
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I'd say it's at most 10%. And less than the majority of those are down to be a third with a couple.
/r/seduction11/08/25 03:46 PM
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I was young and dumb. Didn't read the signals and I thought I had to catch the last bus back home lol
/r/seduction11/08/25 03:44 PM
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They don't call them unicorns for nothing bro. Most women are not into other women. Most women are not into sharing. Most women are not into essentially being an accessory or play thing for a couple. Finding a woman who's into all 3 is very rare. Best advice I have is your girl needs to be the one to lead and initiate pretty much all of it.
/r/seduction11/08/25 12:04 AM
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Yeah most women who are open to casual aren't down to fuck the first night but they're ready to go on the second date. Keep it casual either offer drinks at a bar right around the corner from your place or offer her to come for drinks first and then you can go out for a bite after. I've done that many times and we just end up smashing as soon as she comes over pretty much.
/r/seduction10/08/25 11:59 PM
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Well obviously it depends on the exact situation and if you've already kissed and or made sexual innuendos. I've done everything from subtle ways like do you want to meet my dog or check out the view? To super direct ways like "do you want to go fuck?". The latter is much more rare of course and should only be used when you're 99% certain they're dtf. Another classic is asking them if they want to grab another drink back at your place. Most women know what an invitation to your place entails so …
/r/seduction10/08/25 10:24 PM
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It's been so long since I stopped trying to be a nice guy but I suppose it was when I was 19 or so in college and a rather attractive chick I went on a date asked me to come up to her room after we went dancing. It was the night of her birthday and I was too dumb to realize she was basically asking me for birthday sex and didn't realize so until I got back to my place. Ever since then I always went for the kiss on the first date if I was even remotely feeling any interest and tried to sleep with…
/r/seduction10/08/25 10:07 PM
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Same general approach but the target shifts a bit when you're looking for gf material. Ideally more attractive and more emotionally stable. Also your threshold for waiting for sex may shift slightly. Can wait 4 or 5 dates for the initial lay while you may normally not wait past date 2 or 3 for a casual fling.
/r/seduction10/08/25 06:04 PM
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Think you misread. I said about half of the total count happened in those 2 years. So about 40
/r/seduction10/08/25 04:56 PM
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That's far from being a cuck bro. It's just witnessing some pda. If it was YOUR girl and another man is smashing her in front of you, that would be getting cucked.
/r/seduction10/08/25 04:50 PM
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Eye contact and starting conversations in quiet areas to gauge interest. I usually don't try to dance. Basically just try to find the ones who are looking single, available / ready and then make a move. They usually have a certain look in their eyes.
/r/seduction10/08/25 04:46 PM
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Yeah I know many guys are not very sexually active at all these days and have little to no luck with women to begin with. Hence why I posted on this sub so I could ask guys who have been running game (hopefully successfully), rather than dudes who are sitting on the sidelines.
/r/seduction10/08/25 04:44 PM
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Don't believe anything unless you actually see him in person grabbing her ass or kissing her in front of you. Just showing a random hot chick on his phone doesn't mean shit. But to answer your question, no I've never met someone IRL who has actually pulled a baddie via IG.
/r/seduction10/08/25 04:18 AM
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Yup I've definitely played in this field my fair share as well. Women in their mid thirties are typically the most ready to go with the lowest inhibitions.
/r/seduction10/08/25 04:14 AM
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Interesting take. Appreciate your reply.
/r/seduction10/08/25 04:12 AM
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Fair point. When I talk to my college friends who married their college sweetheart most of them look miserable. Just locked down their first love but she was a soft 6 who's pretty naggy. Never even properly entered the dating market to see what fish are really in the sea.
/r/seduction10/08/25 04:10 AM
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I'm currently dating such a woman. When we first started dating I regularly told her that none of those Chad guys would've actually picked her for marriage. Equivalent is me running though 4s and 5s. She hates hearing it so I don't mention it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 03:27 AM
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So many women fail to realize just because a man fucks you doesn't mean he wants to commit to you. Most dudes who have hooked up with a lot of chicks aren't regularly smashing the 8s and 9s. They're simply running through the "easy money" 5s and 6s. And once they're ready to settle down these men will eventually pick one of the hotter ones they can get. Probably a soft 7 or so. Hell almost never pick the 5 for LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 12:06 AM
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That's porn. Doesn't mean you can actually have casual sex with real women.
/r/seduction09/08/25 08:39 PM
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Yeah just tell her she's cute and you'd love to take her out for a drink sometime. Ask for the number directly (no socials). I've asked out plenty of women from my workplaces. It's only awkward if you make it awkward.
/r/seduction09/08/25 08:06 PM
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That's a reasonable amount of time but I wouldn't recommend completely exiting the dating market. Especially if it's your "dream girl" that's very clearly coming on to you which is pretty much a once in a lifetime opportunity for most regular guys. My point is basically don't spend too much time/effort chasing 5s and 6s if that's normally what you do but if a 10 in your eyes is giving you all the signals (highly unlikely but nothing is impossible), you still should go for it. So be passively loo…
/r/seduction09/08/25 08:04 PM
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Well first off look for the ring to make sure she's single. Sounds so basic but you'd be surprised how many guys don't know this. Ask for her number during your last appointment with her. Before that just gauge receptiveness and ask her questions about her life to see if she has a bf and just get to know her in general /make her laugh.
/r/seduction09/08/25 08:00 PM
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You should've gotten her number and told her you were planning on coming and ask her if she wants to link up at the festival. I don't think you can turn it around now. Just learn your lesson for next time bro.
/r/seduction09/08/25 07:55 PM
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Yeah I've definitely gone solo to bars and clubs. All about being assertive and confident. You don't need a crutch of guys friends to chat and wingman with. But the downside of course is that it becomes very apparent you're in full hunter mode if you strike out a dozen or so times in a row. Women can sense it and are sometimes turned off by it if it comes off as desperation.
/r/seduction09/08/25 07:52 PM
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Thought about taking a break for a while but I've never really made it over a month in the past 10 years without getting laid. How long do you plan on taking a break for? I think it would be easier if you move to a place where there's little to no temptation and/or opportunity so a place like the middle east, Japan, India, or even a terrible dating market American city like San Francisco.
/r/seduction09/08/25 07:49 PM
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Never been myself but besides cost, the main reason is I've also heard it's pretty much the most sexually repressed developed country in the world. Probably would even have a higher chance in a "modern" Muslim country like UAE (Dubai). Neither is in the same ballpark as a western country like America, Canada, or pretty much anywhere in Europe.
/r/seduction09/08/25 07:47 PM
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The only guys I've met IRL who have pulled this off are ridiculously good looking and already have their pick of the litter. Part of that top 10% of guys who are swallowing up all the likes. I've definitely gotten laid on the first date from meeting through a dating app my fair share of times but I still had to meet her at the bar across the street and get us a few drinks first before inviting her up.
/r/seduction09/08/25 07:41 PM
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Haven't been married/divorced but I think it really depends on if you're looking for a serious relationship right away or are more seeking casual sex for now and then seeing where it goes. If you're going for an LTR, it also really depends on if you have kids or not. Women without kids are typically not open to dating someone with them, especially if they're under 40 and don't already have kids or their own. In general, I definitely recommend focusing on meeting people IRL rather than relying on…
/r/seduction09/08/25 07:37 PM
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Yes if they're great in bed and the guy fucks them right you're slightly less likely to get blasted, but only slightly. Most women who end up posting wanted a relationship and are scorned because they felt he duped them. In reality, she was just hot enough to sleep with a couple times but not actually good enough to date seriously. Of course the key to make this less likely is to only have such casual flings with the ones who are already promiscuous and are very secure with their sexuality and a…
/r/seduction09/08/25 04:32 PM
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As a general rule, I typically avoid weekends as a first date options. Always try to schedule a first date Tuesday - Thursday, but I suppose Sunday evening is essentially the same. Not as high pressure or risky as sacrificing a Sat night to hang out with someone you don't actually know yet. As for dinner, I also usually avoid this option. Never make reservations or go to a place with table service for a first date. Been on over 400 first dates in my life and almost all of them were just drinks a…
/r/seduction09/08/25 04:14 PM
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Yeah bro if you date enough women you'll inevitably end up in these groups. It's just a bunch of scorned women who want to bash a guy for running through them. Nearly all of the posts are made up stories about how terrible a guy is but he really just wanted to smash and didn't want to seriously date her.
/r/seduction09/08/25 07:10 AM
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Never tried it that direct with a woman I've known for a while. Done it a handful of times with women who were very presumably dtf when I met them and it can work if you're certain they're ready to go. I also don't ever really do the long game method to be fair.
/r/seduction09/08/25 03:43 AM
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Yeah I thought the whole point of this sub was to encourage dudes to cold approach. Fuck online dating
/r/seduction09/08/25 03:40 AM
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IRL I only know 2 passport bros and both are very low in terms of smw and couldn't get a 5/10 woman if their life depended on it. Yes that bad. All they have is a decent job and an American passport but wouldn't be considered physically attractive by 99% of women in america. So they're resorting to being a passport bro because they know all they have to offer is a visa to a woman from a third world country.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:23 AM
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That's the point bro. When you actually do have the balls to cold approach a woman these days they're so impressed you actually did it so will be flattered and smitten you did it. Since so few guys actually do it in the days of online dating but every woman dreams about the meet cute. Usually a decent chance of getting the digits if you go for realistic targets and have some game. Doesn't mean that will actually lead to a date of course. Best of luck man.
/r/seduction09/08/25 02:01 AM
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Bro I hope you realize most men are invisible to the highly attractive women out there (8+ as you say). Willing to bet most of the dudes on here like me who have high body counts aren't regularly smashing chicks who are THAT hot. The vast majority of my lays have been in the 4-7 range. So my point is just be realistic with who you target. Don't be going for only the hottest chicks out there. They're probably only giving Chad a chance and even if he probably has to work for it. For context I'm an…
/r/seduction08/08/25 10:34 PM
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Are you originally from India and live in a western country like America or are you actually living in India? The approach and your chances will be entirely different depending on what culture you live in and what type of women you go for. For context I'm an Indian guy raised and living in America. Primarily go for white chicks but have tried all colors of the rainbow. Short answer is no it's not too late but it will take a lot of work for you to get your confidence up. I recommend making a lot …
/r/seduction07/08/25 06:37 AM
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For day game on the street or in a park it's best if you have a dog to use as a crutch to start the conversation. Oh your dog is cute. Thanks, this is one of our favorite walks since I live around the corner. Do you live in the area as well? Then just gauge receptiveness and go from there. If you don't have a dog, it will be a bit harder since you'd need more natural game. Impeding factors could be if she's in a rush, has headphones/sunglasses or is on her phone. You can ask for directions or of…
/r/seduction07/08/25 06:30 AM
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Bro this is an awful idea. Yes you can neg and make fun of women but not about dumb shit like I thought you were gonna send me nudes. That won't work.
/r/seduction07/08/25 06:22 AM
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First off don't do online dating. Meet women IRL. That's actual game. The simple solution is to find a "slump buster". A woman who's below your league who you wouldn't normally date but is just an easy lay. You're still having to seduce her (presuming you're not literally paying her cash for sex) but it should be easier and require less effort/time/game then a more attractive chick. Easy money should be easy. You got this bro. It will build your confidence up but fair warning - it can be addicti…
/r/seduction07/08/25 06:20 AM
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I said you should go for it from the beginning. I don't believe you can really be friends with her since you have feelings for her. So the friendship is a sham
/r/seduction07/08/25 05:46 AM
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You'd regret it more if you didn't go for it. You miss every shot you don't take. What if this could be your future wife? You're going to have this thought of what could've been if you don't just make a move and find out. It's only awkward if you make it awkward.
/r/seduction07/08/25 05:28 AM
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Ah gotcha. Just go for it man. I'm straight and only really have 1 female friend and that's because I have zero physical/sexual attraction to her. The rest of the females in my life I just talked to in hopes of eventually sleeping with them.
/r/seduction07/08/25 03:42 AM
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Because you clearly want more than friendship. Just sounds like a classic example of why men and women can't be friends with people they're physically attracted to.
/r/seduction07/08/25 03:23 AM
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If you truly think she's giving off flirty vibes and think she's actually into you (you have a legitimate shot if you made a move), sure go for it. Are you actually close friends with her or are just saying that? Do you talk to her the same way you talk to your bros? Lots of guys just say "my really good female friend" but they actually barely ever talk to her. If you've always had a crush on her and have just been playing the long game waiting for her to get single and all, that's ok just admit…
/r/seduction06/08/25 04:42 PM
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Good point. Most average looking guys are typically playing in the 5-7 (looks scale) league of women if they're very successful. Maybe a handful of really hot ones in there but if your body count is over 50, most are going to be relatively average looking women. The only dudes I know irl who are smashing truly beautiful women are also in the top tier of looks themselves.
/r/seduction05/08/25 11:48 PM
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All that matters is the last line that she's hot and dtf. Should've lead with that. We all know paying for dates is just a more acceptable way of paying for sex especially with hot slutty chicks. It's just the price of admission bro. Yes it's annoying when they literally say that they never pay for their own drinks (only once have I ever heard that myself from a woman put loud) but at least she's showing you her cards.
/r/seduction05/08/25 09:59 PM
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Go to networking events and bars to meet women and practice socializing with people in general. Do a lot of cold approaches. At least 10 a week. I agree with your logic on avoiding online dating due to your height. Remember that dating in general is very much a numbers game. Be prepared for rejection. You got this bro.
/r/seduction05/08/25 04:56 PM
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Usually if it doesn't happen by the end of date 3, I'm cutting it off. Most of my lays have happened on date 2.
/r/seduction05/08/25 02:31 PM
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I just hope you realize with this mindset you're just asking to get run through. I don't think you realize how many have entirely different standards for who they fuck vs who they date. Just because a hot dude wants to take you on a few dates and sleep with you absolutely does not mean he thinks you're attractive enough to actually date seriously.
/r/seduction04/08/25 02:00 AM
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Very well put. OP admits she's very average looking yet feels entitled to only really hot guys despite having presumably no experience and or value to bring to the table. On top of all that, she doesn't seem receptive to actually learning basic social skills and talking to "normal men" first.
/r/seduction03/08/25 05:06 PM
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I broke up with my first serious gf when I was 25 for exactly this reason. She would regularly withhold sex for about a month at a time and it was all just a wild mind game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 03:18 PM
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Yes I do it all the time even now in LTR but don't open it up for them when they're getting out. That's trying too hard and no chick actually expects that. Just do it when she's entering the car. Flowers are usually a hit but don't do it on the first date or at all if you're not looking for LTR with her. I remember I once got a chick the cheapest $4 set of flowers from the grocery store while I was picking us up some beer and she literally cried tears of joy. She had never received flowers from …
/r/seduction29/07/25 02:22 PM
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Go to networking events where women are the majority. Think real estate, event planning, interior design. There should be a good amount of single women in that age bracket. Some will be divorced and have kids so not sure if that's a deal breaker for you depending on what you're looking for. Had success playing that field when I was single in my late twenties.
/r/seduction28/07/25 08:22 PM
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No IRL I know very few men who have a 10+ yr age gap with their romantic partner Pretty damn rare to see a 36 yr old guy with a 22 yr old woman for example. The vast majority of women under the age of 40 date men within 5 years of their own age (typically older but sometimes a bit younger as well).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 08:13 PM
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The biggest factor for being successful at dating is looks (height, race, facial structure, hair, and physique) and then of course game/ charm. For casual relationships you can easily just code switch during dates unless you're super hardcore either way. May get tougher when you're in a LTR and more serious topics come up. The most successful Casanova type I know IRL definitely does lean left (but not sure if I'd call him a leftist per se). Not super close with him so not sure how much politics …
/r/seduction28/07/25 08:10 PM
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This is the key. Best way to not get friend zoned is don't try to be her friend. Make your intentions clear from the beginning. Always go for the kiss on the first date. Try to sleep with her as soon as possible (as soon as she's ready). Never give her any doubts you're interested in sleeping with her.
/r/seduction28/07/25 03:17 PM
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Yeah if you're a guy that actually enjoys "making love" and being sensual I can see it being unpleasant. But yeah from my fairly extensive experience (high double digit body count), I'd say almost 90% of women prefer it on the rougher side and want to be dominated in the bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 05:06 PM
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Yeah I primarily relied on cold approach to get dates and all. Game doesn't really apply for online (it's all looks aka height, race, and attractiveness) until you get to the date. Ok so how I learned game was simply practice. Of course I read a few articles and watched some videos but primarily it was just going out and making approaches. And I mean a LOT of approaches. I'm 33 now and in a LTR but when I was single I was doing at least 10 approaches a week consistently. On nights when I went ou…
/r/seduction26/07/25 06:22 PM
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Mostly agree. As a man who's a former serial dater, I'd say the vast majority of women I've actually dated and slept with, definitely prefer more masculine traits. They want a man to be confident, assertive and be pretty rough in bed with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 06:10 PM
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The harsh truth is that at your height and skin complexion (assuming you're in the west like America) it's going to be extremely difficult. I'm also brown but avg height 5'10 and learning game has definitely helped me get chicks but I know I wouldn't be nearly as successful if I was 4+ inches shorter. For starters, I'd completely avoid dating apps if I were you. Only recommend using them if you're a top 10% looks guy. Focus on cold approaches and be ready for a lot of rejection.
/r/seduction26/07/25 06:01 PM
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Just set up a date for when she gets back but don't continue texting her every day. Just get something on the calendar and let her enjoy the rest of her vacation. Put the ball in her court.
/r/seduction26/07/25 05:56 PM
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Ah ok so it doesn't take the pressure off of thinking about sex it you just have some easy chicks on the roster to satisfy that need? I know it sounds crude but it was a fairly effective method for me when I was single.
/r/seduction26/07/25 05:55 PM
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Fair enough. Appreciate your reply. Ok so a lot of this comes down to how much success (in terms of getting laid) the man in question has had recently. So if it's a 6 man going for a 6 woman he's more likely to treat her poorly (just use her for easy sex and not take her on proper dates) if he already has a harem of women he regularly has sex with. If it's a 6 man who rarely gets laid, he's more likely to put her on a pedestal since his optionality is lower and he has more incentive to treat her…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:52 PM
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Short answer is dating apps only work for young men in the top 10% of looks (over 6ft, white, and very handsome/fit). By "work", I mean getting at least 5-7 matches a week which is basically the bare minimum to get at least 1 date per week. If you're not getting this volume of matches just stick to cold approach primarily.
/r/seduction26/07/25 05:46 PM
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Since you can't talk much in most clubs because of the loud music, prioritize eye contact. Talk with your eyes. If you see a woman staring at you, stare back and then smile before going for the approach. Also try to find quieter areas of the club like a smoking area where it would be more feasible to have a quick conversation where you can hear each other.
/r/seduction26/07/25 05:42 PM
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The short answer and simplest way to do this is to sleep with women who are "easy money" to you. Of course it isn't recommended to keep doing this for a long time but to build up your confidence, it definitely does help just to sleep with more attainable women before targeting the ones who are more LTR material.
/r/seduction26/07/25 05:38 PM
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This feels a bit like bait but in general I do think most men treat women at their same level (and yes I do very much believe in SMV and it is largely based on looks for those under 40, especially women) better than they treat women far below their league. I think you're hoping men will answer that short, only mildly attractive men still treat avg women just as poorly as attractive men treat attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:36 PM
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Basically you're asking for my yield rate? I'd say about 1 in 3 approaches leads to a number. And about 1 in 5 numbers leads to a date. So yes, it's very much a numbers game as you can imagine.
/r/seduction26/07/25 05:27 PM
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I do believe in the line that a man is only as faithful as his options. I don't think men who are 9 or 10 in terms of looks (very high optionality) can ever be genuinely expected to be loyal and a woman assuming this is delusional. But you're explicitly asking about more average men in the 6 or 7 range (actually average men who are a 5 are dead in the water as men have to be slightly above "average") to stand any chance with remotely attractive women. Yes I think these men can treat women in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:49 PM
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Good. They're overrated. I've been doing cold approaches for a long time. The one thing you have to be ready for is overcoming the fear of rejection. It's all a numbers game.
/r/seduction25/07/25 03:26 PM
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It's risky business (not legally but just being rejected for being "creepy") unless you truly have a lot of wealth/fame/status. The vast majority of early twenties women don't even both talking to guys more than 5 years older than them. Are you planning on doing cold approach or using dating apps?
/r/seduction25/07/25 02:48 PM
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To put it simply, men are the gatekeepers of commitment (relationships). And women are the gatekeepers of sex. Women are way pickier than men with whom they choose to have sex with. A 4/10 woman can have sex at will. But that doesn't mean she can enter into a relationship at any given time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:37 PM
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I don't really care who or what situation she was in before me. As long as she's a freak with me, that's all that matters. But there would be an issue if she said she was very kinky with past partners but won't do the same stuff with me. So my point is the "who" doesn't matter, but the "what" does
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:19 PM
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I'm in a LTR now but when I was single in the few years prior, I probably did about a dozen cold approaches a week. I'd say I was quite the anomaly. The vast majority of men I know IRL don't actually do it and rely on dating apps which are much more passive of course. Or they go to bars and only cold approach when a woman is already clearly giving him the eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:48 PM
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If a women is talking extensively about her most recent relationship she's probably not looking for something serious or isn't ready even if she thinks she is. I would just go for a casual fling with her but if that's not your thing, move on.
/r/seduction23/07/25 03:47 PM
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If a women is talking extensively about her most recent relationship she's probably not looking for something serious or isn't ready even if she thinks she is. I would just go for a casual fling with her but if that's not your thing, move on.
/r/seduction23/07/25 03:46 PM
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It's always harder to decelerate a relationship than accelerate. So if you've been texting her all day and seeing her 4x a week, it's going to be tough to go back or else she's going to think you're just bored of her now.
/r/seduction23/07/25 02:29 PM
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Proud of you man. Did this for years before I got in a LTR.
/r/seduction23/07/25 02:26 PM
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Almost definitely the issue. I think some men forget just how much more difficult it is to bag an 8 vs a 6. Their optionality is on a different level. Most women are way pickier than men are, but an 8 can get pretty much any man she wants so long as she's not totally crazy.
/r/seduction23/07/25 02:25 PM
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Cold approach. Dating apps should only be used sparingly as a supplement unless you're a top 10% looking guy it's not worth the time. If you're not getting at least 5-7 matches a week (minimum for getting 1 date per week), it's just a dopamine rush at that point.
/r/seduction22/07/25 11:00 PM
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Since you can't do FWB first, your wife basically has to lead the whole thing. Go out to bars/clubs and together and she has to be the one working game. Probably would be best trying this at a gay/lesbian bar in hopes of finding a bi chick who's down. My ex was kind of like your wife but more in the exploration phase. She tried to make approaches a few times including one time we ran into an old FWB of mine and even with her she struck out because that chick said she only liked dick. They don't …
/r/seduction22/07/25 10:27 PM
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Bro you've only lightly kissed a woman with a thigh tattoo after 2 whole dates? What are we doing. Come on man. She may as well have a sign on her forehead that says "I'm ready". Thigh tat is pretty much the clearest indicator possible that she's a freak. Just pick a bar very close to where you live. Pound some drinks and take her back to your place to get down to business. Can't be wasting too much time/effort/money with a chick like this. It really shouldn't be this hard. "Easy money" should b…
/r/seduction22/07/25 10:12 PM
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This is definitely going to be much harder without alcohol as a social lubricant and disinhibitor. That was going to be my suggestion as well.
/r/seduction22/07/25 09:58 PM
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Typically you have to kiss them first before asking them to come back with you. Want to meet my dog or check out the view from my place is a classic one as well.
/r/seduction22/07/25 09:55 PM
1

Yes it does. Talk to men as well to warm up since it's less pressure. Like in everyday situations. Go to networking events where you're forced to engage in small talk. Once you get a decent amount of comfort and confidence, ask your buddies to challenge you to approach someone. I used to play that game at bars. Pick any woman who's not wearing a ring, in my age range, and not clearly with a guy already. Dare me to approach her and try to get her number. After doing that a few dozen times, I got …
/r/seduction22/07/25 09:53 PM
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Oh I meant to say she is afraid I will cheat. Missing the key pronoun "she" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 09:39 PM
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Yeah it happened to me a few times. I knew it was pretty great sex but they pretty much say they're not interested in continuing this further or just ghost. My theory is that they basically slut shame themselves and feel guilty for giving it up that fast to a random guy. All of these were same night lays. Other possibility is that they were married or had a bf and were sneaking around.
/r/seduction22/07/25 09:37 PM
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Not my wife yet but yes she does (but not every single detail of course). It's definitely caused her to have a lot of retroactive jealousy. Afraid I will cheat and get bored of her eventually. I regret telling her about my past.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 09:27 PM
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Well I've always had game but I'd say my peak purely in terms of getting laid was ages 29-31. Yes I do think it's partially because women in their thirties are more desperate than women in their twenties and they're much more open to dating a 30 yr old man than a 24 yr old. But it was also because I basically went on a pussy bender. Multiple dates a week, dozens of cold approaches a week just about every time I stepped out of my house, including late nights at bars frequently. I probably slept w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 08:42 PM
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Fair point. Also had a few exes who got obsessed with me shortly after fucking and I don't even think I'm all that's special. Made me wonder how shitty all those other dudes must've been if she was so impressed with me lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:39 PM
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Yes if possible that's a good idea. Assuming they're not in a rush and are super receptive like you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:05 PM
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I don't quite buy that red pill notion that you can bring out the inner freak in every girl if you're Chad in her eyes. Not every woman has a wild slut inside of them that can be "unlocked" somehow. I think some just have it and others don't. To be fair, the absolute freakiest women I've been with were definitely lower SMV than me, so maybe your point could be valid. The hottest ones haven't been nearly as fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:04 PM
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Yeah and from what I've noticed it's usually the freakiest (most fun in bed) women that are more lax about condoms and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:57 PM
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Yeah not condoning it. Always best to wrap it up until you know you're exclusive with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:54 PM
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Yeah I didn't say you have to lead with that right away but I do recommend being more assertive than not. Strike up a conversation given the context of where you meet. Gauge their receptiveness based on their responses and then within a few min, compliment them and ask for the digits.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:52 PM
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Fair point
/r/seduction22/07/25 02:42 PM
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Yes you definitely have to be prepared for rejection. It's a numbers game at the end of the day. But I only think it's creepy if you make it creepy. If you're smooth and approach realistic targets in terms of age and looks, worst case scenario is they just smile, say thanks and tell you they have a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:41 PM
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You're basically referring to the warm approach method. Yes while that may work well, it definitely requires more time and effort. Most importantly, it requires luck. If you're in a big city and meet someone at a park, what are the chances you'll ever run into her again by happenstance? People have different schedules and there's no guarantee you'll ever see her face again within the next year just by chance without getting her contact info. But yes, this can work if you're meeting through hobby…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:29 PM
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Yeah this is where OP is messing up. Can't go in wanting/expecting super logical, non emotionally driven convos like you have with guy friends. Women are different. You need to talk to them differently and not see them as your buddy.
/r/seduction22/07/25 02:23 PM
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Yes I've found its best within the first 3 months of a budding relationship (might still be in the non exclusive stage) but not literally the first time or 2 since you're getting to know what each of you like in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:20 PM
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Agreed. But there's surprisingly a lot of women who've been cool with doing it raw within the first few times because they're on an IUD. I know it's still risky because of std risk of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:18 PM
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It all depends on how far you've already escalated (have you kissed yet or not). Are you going for the kiss or trying to take them back to your place for sex? Definitely a bit trickier but more effective if you do it before you've even kissed them. I usually am just assertive with complimenting their looks. And then gauge their receptiveness. Also depends on what your intentions are with them (ONS or gf potential?) and what environment you're in in terms of noise and alcohol. If it's late night …
/r/seduction21/07/25 03:17 PM
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I wouldn't say it was necessarily the lack of touching. The issue is you talked to her for a whole 10 min without actually going for the close. That's more than enough time to ask for her number and then move on elsewhere in the bar.
/r/seduction21/07/25 02:53 PM
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You did the right thing bro. Been in a similar position a few times where they just fell asleep and I just slept too eventually. Unfortunately didn't have sex with any of them after. Maybe saw them again a few times but they weren't actually down to fuck.
/r/seduction21/07/25 02:50 PM
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It really depends on how much you like conversing with her and also how good the actual sex was.
/r/seduction21/07/25 02:45 PM
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This is a weird leading question. Most women aren't purposely giving it up only to guys way out of their league sooner than they would with more "average" guys. Yes women are typically pickier for sex in general (not just casual sex) than men. But not every slightly chunky chick is hoping to get Chad to lock her down. They just like sex and know they can get it from most men since men are less picky on looks for just sex. I do mostly agree with the theory that fatter women probably have more sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:12 PM
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Why are you joining theater groups with women you meet on dating apps? This is not making any sense lol. But in general sounds like you're not escalating enough in creating romantic tension early on. Have to be assertive and make your intentions clear from the outset. Simple ways to do this are always going for a kiss on the first date and basically just trying to sleep with them asap (once they're ready of course).
/r/seduction18/07/25 05:37 PM
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As a guy with a high double digit body count but not rich (just a stable corporate job), my findings are that game (confidence, social conversational skills, charm) and looks are way more important than money. Yes don't be broke but as long as you can afford to drop $40-50 on a simple date, you'll be fine if you have the looks and game. And of course for the super looking guys in the top 10%, they literally don't need any money pretty much. Sluts will agree to have sex with them before even meet…
/r/seduction18/07/25 05:14 PM
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If it's just sex, not a big deal or creepy really. If he's trying to lock you down asap and is super controlling, that could be potentially concerning and indicative of grooming behavior.
/r/seduction18/07/25 04:58 PM
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You're pretty much the only one who actually answered OPs question so I commend you for that first off. I've noticed just about every post a man makes directed towards women gets inevitably down voted and OP gets blamed for being an awful person. Great breakdown. I'd venture to guess my gf is pretty similar in her breakdown, except for the social status stuff since we're not yet married of course. Overall very reasonable percentages and a logical well thought out response.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 11:51 PM
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Damn bro this is wild if it's true. Can only imagine how wrecked your face must be if you're literally being turned down by escorts. I believed most of the rest but a prostitute rejecting you because your face is that distasteful is pretty extreme. Are you technically disabled or look like you have down syndrome?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:22 AM
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Well yeah obviously but I mean it's largely based on appearance not your bio content
/r/seduction11/07/25 08:11 PM
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Exactly. 80% of it is pics, which means race, height, and looks. The other 10% is your name. If it's very long or hard to pronounce, you're fucked. And the last 10% is actual bio content.
/r/seduction11/07/25 07:24 PM
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Compliment their looks right off the bat. Make your intentions clear that you're interested in them in a romantic sense, not to be friends.
/r/seduction08/07/25 04:57 AM
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Sounds about right. That's pretty much what I imagined.
/r/seduction08/07/25 02:35 AM
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It's a guy actually. And he's actually pretty handsome.
/r/seduction08/07/25 02:34 AM
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I've had a few similar experiences where they mention their dating struggles in front of you. You just have to bold and go for it right there and then. Seize the moment. Who cares if her friend is there. You have nothing to lose. You don't care about actually being friends with either of them anyway, correct? I would just say something like, "oh let me show you this new dating app that I really recommend." And then pull up your phone and the contacts app. Type her name in and tell she's cute and…
/r/seduction07/07/25 10:14 PM
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I have a coworker at my office like this. Almost everyone thinks he's gay by the way he talks, smiles, walks, crosses his legs when he sits down. But he'll randomly mention a gf or ex once in a while so apparently he's actually straight. I think he's asexual and just has more feminine energy than a typical straight guy. Could work to your advantage if you're looking for a demisexual/asexual/demisexual type of woman. He comes off as approachable and "safe". But if you're trying to find a freak in…
/r/seduction07/07/25 09:49 PM
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Definitely not, especially if she's pitching this proposal even before meeting in person. Red flag city.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:38 PM
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Lol presumptuous much? In a LTR currently actually. It's not the only thing I want. I just think it's reasonable to escalate physically before getting super deep emotionally . Obviously I read the vibes and see if she's actually interested before making any kind of move. I mean not to the point where I actually ask permission for a kiss or anything. But I mean I go for the kiss sooner rather than later. If the first date has lasted over 2 hours, I always go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:32 PM
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It's worked for me. Asked out women in my gym /office like this (places where I'll probably run into them again). As with anything, it's only awkward if you make it awkward. Only creepy if you make it creepy. Most importantly handle the rejection with grace. If she says she has a boyfriend (whether you think it's true or not) since that's the most common polite way to reject, just say " Well he's a very lucky man. Hope he treats you well. Have a great day." Smile and walk away
/r/seduction06/07/25 06:45 PM
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Most women do understand going for drinks one on one is a date (aka to vet romantic interest). But I'm usually very direct/assertive so I take it a step further to make my intentions very clear. Compliment their looks first before proposing drinks. In your situation where you've already established some rapport over an activity you do together, "Hey sorry if this is too forward, but I just think you're absolutely gorgeous and I'd love to get to know you better. How'd you like to grab a drink aft…
/r/seduction06/07/25 06:03 PM
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Fair take. Never actually heard a woman use this term in the 400+ first dates I've been on in my serial dating years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:58 PM
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Any woman who actually verbally identifies as a demisexual or puts it on her dating profile is a massive red flag. Absolute crock of shit. Never actually met someone IRL on a date who has said it, but if they did I would literally just laugh out loud and walk away. But as OP is saying, maybe they only use such terminology to men who they're not actually physically attracted to. I usually try to escalate asap and make it very clear I'm not looking to be friends or develop an emotional connection …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:58 PM
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Never attempted to go out with PUA groups like this. Would feel too forced. Just go out with 1-3 guy friends who are actual friends that wouldn't mind winging or working some solo game. When you inevitably strike out, just have a drink and shoot the breeze with your boys. Of course you can talk about women and give each other tips but since they're your actual friends, you can also share stories about work, sports, cars, stocks. Other normal guy things to talk about. When a promising prospect wa…
/r/seduction06/07/25 05:46 PM
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Basically just means she's probably had her fair share of wild times and a tattoo in such an area of her body is basically a way of embracing her inner freak and signalling it to the outside world.
/r/seduction06/07/25 05:21 PM
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Ok fair take. I was mainly just referring to them being quick to jump into bed, not overall affection.
/r/seduction06/07/25 05:18 PM
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Pretty good point overall. I slightly disagree with that last piece on hotter women being more slutty and easier. I wouldn't say physical attractiveness is literally correlated with how slutty they are. It's generally their relationship with their father in my experience. Women who idolize and revere their dad and talk to him multiple times a week are less likely to sleep around with a bunch of different dudes and give it up on the first night. If anything I'd say it's slightly more correlated t…
/r/seduction05/07/25 06:00 PM
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In this sort of situation, It really depends on 2 factors: 1) Convenience: work schedules and how far apart you live from each other). If you both live within 20 min of each other and emare relatively free most evenings in a week, it shouldn't sound too thirst to hit her up at least once a week. When I had a FWB who lived literally down the hall from me in my apartment I would invite her over at least once a week and if not she knew she could throw out a feeler to see if I was available. 2) How …
/r/seduction04/07/25 10:44 PM
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Given that you've been a nice guy for most of your life, it's probably because you're not direct and assertive enough when you're approaching. In general I don't waste more than 2 min on the approach if I can't sense she's physically attracted to me. Just walk away before forcing a friendly conversation.
/r/seduction04/07/25 04:54 PM
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Bro you have a terribly negative mindset. Bars and social clubs are all essentially singles clubs. The vast majority of people that go to those are single and at least open to meeting someone new. Sounds like you haven't actually attempted to make any approaches because you think everything is taboo. Grow some balls and shoot your shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:13 PM
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Not a shit test. She's just not into you and moves incredibly slow / has her guards up. Had a few encounters like this. These sort of women have gone through some pretty bad trauma most likely quite recently and are more trouble than they're worth. Also just a general indicator of incompatibility if she's so easily offended by mild flirting like that.
/r/seduction03/07/25 09:57 PM
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Sure that's a good mentality to filter to guys who are more of the demisexual type. Whatever works for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:42 PM
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Yeah bro you have to only put looking for long term. Doesn't matter what your true intentions are. Over 90% of women put that they're seeking LTR yet many of these same women hook up on the first or second date with a guy. You just have to match them.
/r/seduction02/07/25 10:21 PM
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Just do whatever works for you bro. If being stoic and mysterious gets you women, keep doing it. If being funny and light-hearted is working as it has for me personally, keep doing that. I wouldn't exactly fully buy the notion to "just be yourself", since if being yourself is not working you actually need to try something else. Like if you try really hard to be funny but haven't gotten laid in years, clearly your sense of humor is just not hitting so you need to come up with a different approach…
/r/seduction01/07/25 09:33 PM
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It only works for highly attractive women (at least an 8/10) and even amongst them they still would have to escalate some sexually like kissing on the first date to indicate some romantic interest or else the guy is going to give up sooner rather than later. For the majority of women in the dating market (in the 5-7 range), it's a terrible strategy as they are easily replaced by women who will give the man what he really wants relatively early on. If she has no differentiating factor like being …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 09:20 PM
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As a former serial dater who's had his fair share of casual flings I'd say you should always aim for a kiss on the first date. If you don't at least get a little make out after a few hours of hanging out alone (aka a date) that first night, I wouldn't even bother scheduling a second date as that's an indicator she's not actually romantically /physically attracted to you. As for sex, my general rule is go for it as soon as possible. If she's giving you solid vibes on the first night, by all means…
/r/seduction01/07/25 09:11 PM
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My thoughts exactly. Bro must be down bad and in a hell of dry slump if he's even considering going for an unattractive single mom just because she might be into him.
/r/seduction01/07/25 08:48 PM
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Fair enough. well I'm in a LTR now, but when I was single I just ran through them (used them for easy free sex without any serious consideration for LTR). I'm sure I've sent my fair share of ladies to therapy, and it does take a toll on the guy too admittedly. Have some shame about my past. I did my best to at least try and indicate to them I didn't see marriage potential with them. But in perhaps not the most mature ways like talking about my past conquests to them directly (I don't normally do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 08:36 PM
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Yeah this is not a new phenomenon. These are the "good for now" or "easy money" women. Sadly they've encompassed probably the majority of my lays since they just require so much less effort than the LTR potential ones and are quite a large portion of the dating market from my anecdotal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:15 PM
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Agree. While yes it may not be the most ideal circumstance to cold approach a beautiful woman, don't let that stop you. It's never 100 % ideal. You can still put out feelers and see if she's down to hang out later at night after her parents go to bed or whatever. Lots of times these hot 25 yr olds are hoping to meet another young guy to have a welcome distraction from their parents who dragged them along on this free vacation.
/r/seduction30/06/25 06:17 PM
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Well said. You putting in more effort isn't going to magically make her have genuine, burning desire for you. That's usually there from the outset and can't really be inorganically manifested based on your effort.
/r/seduction30/06/25 05:58 PM
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Mostly agree. Her looks definitely do matter in general but even more so if she's withholding sex until commitment. I've never done this before and the only way I could see myself breaking principle would be if she's substantially more attractive than the typical women I date The one big thing I'd like to add is that there still needs to be some physical escalation like kissing. When OP is saying no sex until commitment does he mean literally just no PIV but everything else is on the table inclu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:15 PM
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It depends on who's saying it and your relationship with them. If it's your dream woman or ex that you're still in love with and trying to get back with, bad thing. That means she doesn't trust you and this is the reason she's keeping you at arms length. If they're chicks that you're just planning on having casual flings with, that just means they think you're attractive and are negging you in a way. It basically means they're ready to go if you just play their cards right and tell them what the…
/r/seduction30/06/25 02:55 PM
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Sounds like cold approach is the best option for you bro. Just go for it. Clearly dating apps aren't really working for you hence why you're considering other avenues
/r/seduction30/06/25 02:54 AM
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Not absolutely necessary but it definitely helps especially if you're open to dating outside of your exact same race. Most white women (majority of population in western countries like America) prefer white men and women of color either go for their own race or white men. And people jump to their worst subconscious biases online so tbh many women are low-key racist on dating apps. What country are you in?
/r/seduction30/06/25 02:26 AM
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Yes I'm a huge proponent of cold approaching as a medium to meet women, especially if you're not in the top 10% of men in terms of conventional attractiveness (tall, white, fit, and very facially handsome). For these guys, they can sit on their ass at home and just have the matches flood in on a dating app since pretty much every chick wants that guy. For the rest of us more "normal" guys, you have a much better chance of getting dates via cold approach vs dating apps. Basically if you're a soli…
/r/seduction30/06/25 01:50 AM
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If you're not getting a kiss by the end of the first date and she gives you the "no spark/chemistry" line that almost always means she's not physically attracted to you.
/r/seduction30/06/25 01:33 AM
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It's not a 100% overlap but the majority of the dudes which were called metro sexual in 2005 are now just called simps. Just code for a guy who you would think is gay from first impression if you didn't actually know him
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 04:49 AM
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Bro that's fully expected in the industry..just go for it and stop being a pussy
/r/seduction29/06/25 02:07 AM
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I'm very direct and assertive in general so I'd just pull her aside or whenever you run into her at work just say hey, you want to grab a drink when we get off? Even if she says no you've made your intentions clear. Women are not idiots. They know when a man is interested. That's all you need to say. She'll either say no she's not interested or say she has a bf. If she doesn't say yes or at least propose another night let it go and move on. It's only awkward if you make it awkward. You got this …
/r/seduction29/06/25 01:46 AM
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Bro just ask her to grab a drink after work and if she says no or says she has a bf, let it go. Calling you papi is probably a flirty signal. Also, no offense but working at a restaurant as anything other than the executive chef is a job, not a career. You probably won't be doing it for more than a few years anyway. People in the service industry hook up all the time. And as I always say, it's only awkward if you make it awkward. Go for it bro. What do you have to lose
/r/seduction29/06/25 01:26 AM
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Yeah people don't really use that term metro sexual anymore. I just call them simps personally. Overall, I agree with OP’s point that women want these traits in a friend and if he's a gay man they pretty much treat him like any female friend. But no matter how liberal/progressive a woman is, she wants a man that portrays typical masculine traits such as confidence ,assertiveness, and dominance/control in the bedroom. As a former serial dater who's been with his fair share of hard libs, it rings …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:20 AM
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It's pretty tough to make that transformation. Only real way that comes to mind is getting with an absolute freak who encourages you to be real rough/degrading in bed and tells you how much she loves it. Had a few like that in my early twenties and that got me into rough sex, but I wouldn't ever have called myself a nice guy even before then. Always been pretty confident/assertive.
/r/seduction28/06/25 03:57 PM
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Well said. Agree that the bare minimum for short term fling is decent enough body and sex quality but facial beauty needs to be much higher for strong LTR consideration. Been there many times myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:39 PM
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Nah bro. Pretty sure the only "attractive" women on reddit are soft 6s who post on the female and dating subs about how sick and tired they are of getting run through by Chad but can't seem to figure out why they aren't getting chosen. Also they could be anywhere in the world. Not a fan of long distance. Not that desperate. also have a gf currently.
/r/seduction28/06/25 03:11 PM
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Haha ok fair enough. could see it being over 50%. At least if you use the definition that they haven't been laid in the last year which is basically a virgin in my book, assuming it was involuntary
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:00 PM
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Dude just go to any popular bar in your city and watch a decent looking guy who knows what he's doing. Go to a nightclub. It happens all the time
/r/seduction28/06/25 04:25 AM
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Not all heroes wear capes. Thank you for clarifying. Also what makes this even further than 1 in 90 is that nowhere in this hypothetical did OP say the man will like the woman back. She just said 1/40 would be HER ideal mate, but not necessarily reciprocated. I've definitely approached dozens of women who would likely be close to to ideal for me, but the sad reality is I'm not ideal for them. Classic case of "You're not your type's type"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 09:37 PM
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Lower your standards. They don't call it a "slump buster" for nothing. Get your confidence back up bro. Trust me, it works. You got this.
/r/seduction27/06/25 08:56 PM
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I'd venture to guess about 30% of the men on Reddit are virgins. But I'm assuming you mean you haven't met any friends in real life that you personally know. They probably either hang out with each other, don't leave their house, or don't get dates with women to begin with (if you mean guys you've dated). As a very social extroverted man who's a formal serial dater (far from a virgin), I've personally met 2 women in the last 5 years or so who identified as such (both in their thirties), but no s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 08:50 PM
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N/A but I would if I did have a daughter. My gf also acknowledges that relationships are transactional and told her that line that "all men pay for sex" and she agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 08:41 PM
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Oh yes I'm mostly agreeing with your point. Just expanding on it. My bad. Probably should've responded to the auto mod comment in that case .
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 07:59 PM
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It's not just passport bro and sugar daddy types. Most men fully expect to pay the full tab on dates even with women within their "league" in terms of age range and attractiveness level. The point of early stage dating is to vet romantic/sexual interest. If sex was 100% completely off the table, I wouldn't have gone on any of the 400+ first dates in my life. Any date is an opportunity to engage in some sexual acts (whether that be kissing or hot wild sex). Any man who has been on a date where he…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 07:48 PM
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I once got a 75 min BJ to completion from a chick like this. Ain't no chance in hell a 9 or 10 is doing this for you unless you're a billionaire or pro athlete/celebrity.
/r/seduction27/06/25 06:56 PM
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Yeah exactly. Hence I like to see them in the flesh. Full body without filters or a particular outfit/heavy makeup on. Just when they're grocery shopping or walking in the park for example.
/r/seduction27/06/25 06:50 PM
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I agree with most of what you've said. I've learned to navigate and have a fair amount of success with women but I do think the 9 and 10s are going after tall, white men unless you have tremendous wealth/fame/status. My point is nothing wrong with "settling" for a solid 7 if she has other key relationship traits that are important to you. For me it would be things like being sweet/caring, intelligent conversationalist, and of course a freak in bed. Point is, looks aren't everything and even thou…
/r/seduction27/06/25 06:30 PM
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Wholeheartedly agree. Been with some absolute freaks that were a bit below my "league" but just incredibly fun in bed. Would rather have that than a starfish 10 who doesn't give head.
/r/seduction27/06/25 06:19 PM
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Appreciate your thoughtful reply. But I didn't mention NYC anywhere in my post lol. I'm in America but not New York. Maybe you read someone else's reply and thought it was mine
/r/seduction27/06/25 06:16 PM
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To each their own. I just wasn't a big fan of the passive approach to online dating and the other obvious downside is you don't truly know what they look like before meeting. If I had a dime for every time they were a good 30 lbs bigger than their photos...
/r/seduction27/06/25 06:12 PM
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ah ok. In general I don't recommend dating apps as more than a supplementary strategy for meeting women. Primary should be cold approaches and meeting via social circles. But even then just ask for their number with the intention of taking them out asap and text them right after they send it to you on the dating app. And then set up the date within the same week.
/r/seduction27/06/25 05:12 PM
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Fair points but why is this in a seduction sub? Pretty sure most men know there's a difference between "good for now" women and the keepers
/r/seduction27/06/25 04:58 PM
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I would always ask for their number and have them put it in my phone. Then text them shortly after walking away (not directly in front of them while still talking but within 20 min) my name and nice meeting you. That's it. If she's interested and it was a real number she'll respond in turn.
/r/seduction27/06/25 04:47 PM
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We all know it's a numbers game. Almost nobody claims it's not. It's still better than dating apps or waiting for women to approach you. So yes I'm ok with only 1 in 15 or so approaches (my yield rate) turning into a hookup or gf material. It's really not that bad. That's a few hours out of your week. If you don't have a crazy demanding job or kids, most guys can easily put in the effort/time of they care enough about running game.
/r/seduction26/06/25 08:58 PM
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Resonate a lot with this. When I was single and running game, I lived in the 5-7 range but it was pretty much impossible to nab any true baddies. I'd consider myself a solid 7 (handsome and in shape, but just average height). Also I'm Indian so that's definitely pretty limiting towards getting the cream of the crop white/Latina/black women tbh. They have their pick of the litter so typically go for guys who are all 3: white AND tall AND handsome/fit. To get solid 8s and above you pretty much hav…
/r/seduction26/06/25 08:30 PM
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Yes I understand that friend convo spark as well but the connotation is different when OP is saying his issue is the dates are giving him the no spark line
/r/seduction26/06/25 03:42 PM
8

No spark is almost always a euphemism for lack of physical /sexual attraction. If you've gotten so many dates and they're all saying this, I'm guessing they're from online dating and you probably don't look nearly as good as they imagine from your photos. Are you fatter, balder, or look older than you appear in your photos?
/r/seduction26/06/25 02:45 PM
2

Bro I've definitely gotten laid literally dozens of times via cold approach. You do it enough, you know what and what not to and who/who not to approach. Get out of the house. Stop being so down.
/r/seduction26/06/25 12:19 AM
2

OP didn't specify and it sounds like he isn't even getting numbers since he's not going for realistic targets or using common sense like looking for the ring. But I agree with you. Number doesn't mean shit until you actually get a date at least.
/r/seduction25/06/25 05:22 PM
1

If you're defining success as getting a number, it highly depends on if it's day game (park, grocery store, etc.) or night game (bars/clubs). Day game is usually a higher conversion rate of about 50% since there's more time to develop rapport, they can actually hear you unlike a loud bar, and it's even more flattering that you have the balls to approach them in an environment where they're least expecting it. Night game it's probably about 20-25% but much higher volume since there's more single …
/r/seduction25/06/25 02:21 PM
3

How old are you? If you're still in your teens or twenties, sure go for it. If you're like 30+ that's pretty creepy and we're getting into grooming territory. Wouldn't say she's perfect by any means just because she's a supposedly innocent virgin. There's other kinds of trauma other than being run through by a lot of bodies, albeit that is the most common trauma for women I've encountered admittedly. There's always the very real possibility she could get crazy clingy and fall in love with you th…
/r/seduction25/06/25 02:12 PM
4

Not sure exactly when it happened but well after 100. But again I've had nights where the entire mission of going to the bar/club is to work game so that's 10+ approaches in a few hours right there.
/r/seduction24/06/25 09:59 PM
3

I've done literally thousands of cold approaches in my life but I wouldn't say there's an exact number. It's just once you get to the point that you don't feel dejected and move on like it's absolutely nothing. Like you can literally forget about it 10 min later.
/r/seduction24/06/25 09:26 PM
12

When they say where they live and it's a boring or far away part of town, I say "oh that's unfortunate". Just a classic neg
/r/seduction24/06/25 06:30 AM
8

Just finish your drink, pay the tab for both, and say you have other plans. Or you can just be honest and say you don't think you're compatible and wish her the best.
/r/seduction23/06/25 09:08 PM
5

Yes I was primarily referring to OLD when referring to how much height and race matters.
/r/seduction23/06/25 02:36 PM
13

Well said. Very valid points overall. With that being said, there are some points truly beyond your control. But control the things you can control, first and foremost. If you're under 5'7 AND not white, you're pretty much dead in the water on dating apps. So meet women in person. Cold approaches are key if you're a "regular" guy. Way higher chance of casting a good impression vs being immediately filtered out online if you aren't at least avg height. All hope is not lost. The vast majority of O…
/r/seduction23/06/25 05:48 AM
1

You gotta be conventionally attractive, aka white, tall very fit, and facially handsome (like a solid 8) to pull this off. Assuming you're going for white chicks and you're not famous (less than 10k followers).
/r/seduction23/06/25 03:50 AM
1

Must admit it's a bit sad how little traction this post has gotten and it's likely because you said you're Indian right off the bat. Guessing the vast majority of dudes on this sub are white so it's very hard for them to relate or they can't give any constructive advice because they just read that and assume the reason you're not getting any action is because you're Indian. As an Indian guy myself but raised in America, I understand where you're coming from but I gotta be straight with you bro. …
/r/seduction23/06/25 03:38 AM
5

None of these questions need to be answered fully honestly of course. They're all just ways for them to try and prevent them from getting pumped and dumped yet again. Just tell them what you know what they want to hear. Nothing matters until you actually meet them in person.
/r/seduction23/06/25 01:12 AM
50

Yeah it's typically referring to the quality of the sex. Of course it's all subjective but most women I've been with prefer sex on the rougher side and want me to take absolute control in the bedroom. So when they say "you gave me good dick" they mean I fucked them the way they wanted/needed to derive them pleasure. I think they just use the dick terminology because they know men love having their ego stroked about their dick size/quality, but the compliment is really about the sex itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 04:13 PM
4

Gym usually isn't my go-to for cold approaches, but I have done it a handful of times. Treat it like any other environment. Develop rapport but a bit more tactfully since you're bound to run into them again unlike at a grocery store/mall/bar. I remember one distinctly that was a realistic target (similar attractiveness level and age range). Noticed she had a handwritten workout regiment on paper and asked her if she came up with that on her own or if she has a personal trainer. Then it's just ab…
/r/seduction22/06/25 04:08 PM
11

Never met a vile enough woman to actually say such a thing but I'd say once we fuck in every corner of this apartment, I'll consider upgrading.
/r/seduction22/06/25 03:52 PM
3

Chicks really do love it when you open the car door for them (when entering) . Don't open it on the way out though. That's too much. Just let them get out on their own when you park. Such a simple chivalrous thing but it never fails to impress.
/r/seduction22/06/25 06:26 AM
1

Tbh most guys who regularly get laid weren't ever really unattractive. They just maybe didn't maximize their looks potential as much early on, whether that be haircuts or fashion sense. Very rare to see the case irl of a guy who lost 150 lbs and went from an incel to Chad within a few years.
/r/seduction21/06/25 11:04 PM
2

Success as in getting her number? Of getting her in bed eventually? Id say about 1 in 6 numbers turns into a date. It's all a number game, as I'm sure you've heard
/r/seduction21/06/25 03:08 PM
5

In an LTR now but I used to primarily do cold approach to get chicks. Probably 75 - 80%. High double digit body count
/r/seduction20/06/25 10:49 PM
52

You actually called it "day game" in front of her? I've never heard people use that term in normal convo. Just say cold approach or meeting people in real life.
/r/seduction19/06/25 08:16 PM
1

Yeah this question is not really all that common. Usually most women do not want to hear much details at all about your past relationships. They don't want to be compared. I have been asked this before but it happened in probably less than 10% of my hundreds of first dates (in America).
/r/seduction19/06/25 01:40 PM
11

Exactly. Yeah if OP is assuming all (or even one or 2 really) of those bullet points are actually true, I would definitely not be OK with a girlfriend like that. My gf used to be a Chad-chaser in her younger years and the main reason I am able to get past it is because she still shows genuine burning desire for me. Pretty much always down to fuck and is quite freaky.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:40 PM
1

Haha yeah I started targeting a 6s and 7s after I realized the 8s, 9s and 10s are just too much trouble
/r/seduction17/06/25 01:36 AM
-8

Yes this is common sense. Don't be fat or so skinny your rib cage is visible. I'm just saying the point is moot if you're really short. Height trumps all physical factors.
/r/seduction16/06/25 09:27 PM
-3

Sounds reasonable. This is all assuming you're a minimum height of course. 6'2 is typically considered the "ideal" as it is about 10" above the median female, so a full head taller. And also importantly, taller than the majority of other men. If you're under 5'8, doesn't matter how ideal your body fat percentage is.
/r/seduction16/06/25 08:52 PM
2

I used to just say something likeI'd love to take you out of a drink "sometime". But yeah I can see the strategy of forcing the hand even before getting the digits.
/r/seduction16/06/25 04:57 PM
6

Similar situation happened to me a few years ago. She was also in the mid-late therties backet and had some traumatic breakup she wouldn't really disclose much about but I think that's why she got cold feet. Always the risk you take when dating women in this age range. So much trauma from exes that just leaves them broken and very hesitant/mistrusting of men.
/r/seduction16/06/25 04:56 PM
7

Well done bro. I've also done many cold approaches like this. Unfortunately the really hot ones do give me their numbers but almost always end up flaking before the first date or stop responding to texts before I can even ask them out
/r/seduction16/06/25 03:54 PM
2

Yeah it's worked pretty well for me tbh. Much quieter and more private than the actual bar/club
/r/seduction16/06/25 05:27 AM
3

Don't really have any actionable advice for you since you're deaf. That's a whole other ball game bro. Definitely going to be an uphill battle pulling baddies with a disability like that, but far from impossible. I'd say simplest thing to do is try to looks max as much as possible (physique, hair, clothing style) and try to bag chicks in the club but once you start speaking and they can tell you're deaf, it's going to be a turn off for most of them. So try to get them in environments with little…
/r/seduction16/06/25 03:36 AM
1

Bro clearly it's not working for you. Stick to I person. . For dating apps to be successful as a man you pretty mcubhave to be a solid 8. If you're a s 6 or 7 you can have solid success as long as you work in person game. That's the main point of this sub BTW. Online game isn't really seduction.
/r/seduction15/06/25 10:13 PM
4

My last nightclub pickup in Vegas I got kinda lucky and some dude I had met in line with his gf introduced me to a loose "friend" who wasn't with a guy and just tagging along with them (typical in Vegas). Just over at a slightly quieter area of the bar at the club. And we just locked eyes and could tell she was down. talked for maybe 10 min and then just made out like rabbits. Ended up taking me back to her hotel room. So you don't have to dance and scream in their ear. Try to find a quieter are…
/r/seduction15/06/25 08:09 PM
5

Why were you using random photos that weren't yours for YOUR online dating profile? Isn't that the whole point of a profile? Sounds like the privacy aspect is very concerning to you (assuming that's why you didn't use photos of your own face), so you definitely shouldn't be doing online dating bro. I get it. It's like having a job listing up for months/years that pretty much anyone can see and share your face /name/location and that you're single. Just meet people in person through cold approach…
/r/seduction15/06/25 05:16 PM
4

Yeah just keep looking until they look away. I did the same when I was single.
/r/seduction14/06/25 09:31 PM
1

Yeah if you're not getting at least 5 matches a week it's pretty much worthless. Just a dopamine rush at Tha t point. You should focus on meeting chicks in person through cold approach or social circle.
/r/seduction14/06/25 07:48 PM
1

Probably a handful or so but I don't even bother trying to open up emotionally until a strong physical/sexual connection has been opened up first. Personally, I can't really get deep emotionally with a woman unless the physical aspect is there first.
/r/seduction13/06/25 08:41 PM
18

Very well said. For those who are too scared/hesitant to move abroad, a less drastic path is to move far away for college (only see your parents 2-3 times a year) and if you're already done with schooling, target finding a job in a different city far away from your hometown or whereever you currently are. The key is putting yourself outside of your "comfort zone" and forcing yourself to build new community. If you're single without kids, I recommend moving to a new city at least twice in your tw…
/r/seduction13/06/25 05:17 PM
4

I think it really depends on how just how bad your current photos are and more importantly, what you actually look like (assuming you're not going to severely edit these photos to portray yourself as looking substantially different than your actual appearance). Whenever I see guys asking for a "profile review" on the bumble or other online dating subs, 90% of the time it's not their photo selection or bio prompts that are holding them back. It's either just that they don't have the requisite "st…
/r/seduction13/06/25 04:08 PM
1

Agreed. Only caveat I'd say is you still typically need Chad level looks if you're going for the cream of the crop women (to fuck, not just get their number) like 9s and 10s (even 8s many times). But if youre a 6 or 7 yourself, game will help you much more in running the 5-7 female market more so than looks maxing.
/r/seduction12/06/25 10:01 PM
1

Two weeks is a very long lead time to set up a first date. Should aim to do it within the same week. Normally I would say no texting before the date but you may need to at least keep up some line of conversation to keep yourself in the picture so they don't forget about you and flake last minute.
/r/seduction12/06/25 09:03 PM
80

Usually if they agree to come back to your place that's likes 90% chance she wants to least have a heavy makeout.
/r/seduction12/06/25 02:34 PM
8

My thoughts exactly. Pretty solid fundamental points overall but points 1, 5, and 6 I didn't really agree with at all.. Especially #5. I always lead, escalate, and close. That's what most women prefer and expect. And if you know how to kiss, nothing wrong with using tongue. If you know how to do it properly, can definitely sexualize situations early especially if it's a late night environment like a bar/club.
/r/seduction11/06/25 01:09 AM
3

Agreed. You really just need to get laid bro. Can't just simping down and doing favors for any random woman.
/r/seduction10/06/25 02:47 PM
1

Probably not. But you didn't mention actual sex. Assuming that's still done with plenty of quality and quantity, perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:44 PM
1

Always be closing. If a woman approaches you and is not wearing a ring, asks you an open ended question, just assume she's potentially interested. I remember once a married woman approached me at a bar while I was chatting with a guy friend and kept interjecting into our conversation. When my buddy went to the bathroom, I just asked her what her deal was and why she's talking to me rather than hanging out with her husband (pointed at her ring). She said he's waiting upstairs while I came down to…
/r/seduction09/06/25 09:34 PM
1

My thoughts exactly. Takes a lot of reps to actually get good at it and you need to be in a larger city. Recommend moving to a city of at least 500k people if you want to consistently meet a variety of attractive single women in your target age bracket.
/r/seduction09/06/25 08:10 PM
5

Good point on the work from home setup being toxic to mental health and negative inertia. For those with this work arrangement who are single and live alone without roommates even part time (1-2 days hybrid), I highly recommend leaving your house for at least an hour. Go to the grocery store, Target, eat dinner at a restaurant/bar alone. Even if you don't need to buy anything. Walk around the store a few times and try to make at least one approach before you leave or just strike up a conversatio…
/r/seduction09/06/25 07:03 PM
1

There's some really valuable posts on this sub. Also various pickup books you can read. Other classic way is to shadow a friend who's been working game for a while and literally just watch him
/r/seduction08/06/25 07:52 PM
1

My thoughts exactly. Is this the only women you've actually tried approaching? It's a numbers game bro. You have to actually make a lot of approaches to have decent success. Even really handsome expert pick up artists regularly get rejected by more than 50% of women they approach. In general, the simplest way to get out of a dry spell is to go for a "slump buster" - someone who you know is below your league but should be "easy money". Can't be exclusively aiming for 9s and 10s when you're in a s…
/r/seduction08/06/25 06:56 PM
2

Definitely don't ask to kiss her. Once you isolate just go for the kiss. Read the vibes. Maybe lean in first and whisper something in her ear first like how pretty she is. Or go for a hand or elbow touch first to see if she's receptive and doesn't pull away. But absolutely never actually ask permission for the first kiss.
/r/seduction08/06/25 06:44 PM
2

Just because they approach doesn't mean you shouldn't take the lead and escalate. The vast majority of women still want the man to be more dominant and initiate sex, especially the first few times. Sounds like you're giving off effeminate vibes and need to be more masculine/ take control. As a general rule, I always try to have sex as soon as possible with a new partner. Have to show you're interested and go for the close. Always be closing.
/r/seduction08/06/25 05:31 PM
3

Agreed. Especially on #1. I assume they just have amazing sexual compatibility. I've definitely had flings with women below my league and it was primarily because they were really great in bed. There's not really much that can replace a good old enthusiastic, sloppy BJ. I'd take a 6 who's a freak in the sack than a 9 who's a lame duck any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:39 AM
44

Good point. If anything it shows you're likeable, can strike up a conversation and not a creep.
/r/seduction07/06/25 10:33 PM
2

I don't think a guy would ever marry a woman he's not sexually attracted to at the onset of marriage. This is of course assuming they're both "modern" and had sex before marriage, not a super traditional arranged marriage where they never had sex or kissed before the weddling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 10:25 PM
3

If you catch her looking, don't look away. Lock in to confirm she's looking at you. Give a gentle smile and then walk up and approach her.
/r/seduction07/06/25 09:53 PM
3

Yes correct. There has to be a certain base level of physical attraction (in addition to the sexual compatibility) for me to consider them for LTR. There's definitely such thing as good enough to sleep with but not hot enough to marry. There was one who was on the larger side (probably 30-40 lbs overweight) who I was catching strong feelings for but that fizzled out because I had to move out of state for a new job and neither of us really wanted to do the long distance thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:05 PM
1

Yup that was pretty much my same line as well. But instead of "I know this is random but I just had to introduce myself", I would say "hey sorry is this is too forward but you are just absolutely stunning. What's you're name?" then introduce myself. But I get your point. No need in forcing the compliment if you say "I just had to introduce myself". Most chicks will get the message. But still there could be some that may think you're trying to sell them something (like some meal kit subscription …
/r/seduction07/06/25 03:27 PM
0

You can't jump in the deep end straight away. Have to warm up with 4s and 5s before gunning for the 7s and 8s. As a general rule I typically avoid the 9s and 10s. Not worth all the trouble, ego, competition
/r/seduction07/06/25 03:12 PM
5

Not just because of how nice she was but I've definitely dated bigger girls. Tbh they're usually pretty amazing in bed. Very giving
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 06:53 AM
2

I wouldn't read too much into cold and emoji less but if they're always very short that may be concerning. Very odd that she made out with you throughout the night for 2 dates but wasn't receptive when you escalated. Usually thay always hits when I'm in similar predicament especially if it's second date. Don't really expect sex on the first but second is pretty standard. Like 75% of first lays happen for me on the second date.
/r/seduction07/06/25 01:53 AM
1

Well if she's in line or on sidewalks for bars she's probably a little tipsy and they love to conlliment/pet dogs. Do I just compliment them back and strike up a conversation. They give me their number, I put my dog back home across the street and meet them out.
/r/seduction07/06/25 01:50 AM
12

Good point. I usually don't give them the time of day if they can't make time to meet up at least once a week in the first few months of dating. If we're in the same city, she doesn't have kids (only valid excuse IMO), there's no reason a single person can't make time for 2 hours in a week to hang out with someone they're truly interested in. People make time for people and things that are important to them. Also if a chick is genuinely THAT busy with her job and continues to use that as an excu…
/r/seduction06/06/25 10:36 PM
3

Haha yes of course. I think most guys know at this point that if she only has shots from above the neck and no full body shots, she's probably a whale.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 10:27 PM
4

Yeah exactly. They don't actually want to be friends with her to begin with. Friend zone is just a euphemism for being rejected gently. The woman typically doesn't genuinely want to begin a friendship with a man who hit on her either. But I'd go a step further and say most straight men don't genuinely want to be friends with the vast majority of women. I only have 1 close female friend and I talk to her just like I would any of the guys. Because I have zero physical /attraction to her and she's …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 07:10 PM
275

The vast majority of women will not approach 95% of men. By "make it easy" they just mean they'll be receptive and engaging when you initiate the convo and will likely at least kiss you on the first date if they're actually into you.
/r/seduction06/06/25 04:58 PM
7

Always look for the ring bro. I honestly look for that before I even look at her eyes. Don't get all your hopes up for nothing.
/r/seduction06/06/25 04:55 PM
0

Good point. I'd say I'm about a 7 and have had stages with small rosters of casual sex in my single days but they were in the 5-7 range. To actually have a line of attractive (7-10 looks range) women waiting for you for LTR, you would need to far above top 20% (7/10). Likely this means tall, white, and very fit/handsome. So this is about the top 5-8% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 04:40 PM
11

Did you even look for the ring? The first thing I do when I approach a woman is scan her left ring finger for a ring. She could've been a single mom, but sounds like you didn't actually even look for the ring. Also just because she's looking at you doesn't mean she has any romantic intentions. She could've just been scanning her surroundings for her safety and her kids.
/r/seduction06/06/25 04:32 PM
16

Similar age man here. I was a bit of a late bloomer and didn't have my first kiss until I was 18. Believed much of these ideas about being nice and studious will get you the girl. But then once I went off to college, started going to alcohol infused house parties and bars, I soon realized none of that matters. It's all about looks and game. The tall, handsome, cocky guy is almost always the one bagging the attractive chick. So I did my best to do thay myself amongst the things I could control. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 02:55 PM
1

Only real rules I have are that they're not wearing a wedding ring (hooked up with married women but they weren't wearing one and were in an open relationship or going through a divorce). And no chicks under 21.
/r/seduction06/06/25 05:57 AM
3

Most of it was bar game. Some were on the street while walking my dog by the bars and working game to chicks on the sidewalk or in line for bars. Few were day game like train stations /bus stops. Anytime I was outside of my house was an opportunity tbh. Always be closing.
/r/seduction06/06/25 05:55 AM
1

Totally agree. Well said
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 05:52 AM
-1

Probably 10-15 laid same night and another 30 or so eventually after 2-3 dates.
/r/seduction06/06/25 03:24 AM
2

I don't believe in that witch stuff lol. Maybe you were posted by a scorned ex in one of those Are We Dating the Same Guy FB groups? But that only really affects you online
/r/seduction06/06/25 01:41 AM
2

OK so you're saying you haven't changed who you go for, where you are, or how you meet them? The only thing that's changed is you got a haircut and grew a little beard?
/r/seduction06/06/25 01:23 AM
1

Is there any difference in the girls you were going for in your younger days vs those now? Are you going for the same age/race/attractiveness level? Have you changed the medium in which you could meet them (online vs in person, clubs vs daytime cold approach). Have you changed cities? I'm saying this might not be an apples to apples comparison.
/r/seduction06/06/25 01:12 AM
2

Since you admit you're not good looking, no this isn't really possible. Would be hard for pretty much anyone to pull this off in the daytime without an alcohol infused environment (like a Vegas pool party), let alone a mediocre looking guy in a public park. This sounds like some porn fantasy bro. Not real life.
/r/seduction05/06/25 09:24 PM
33

Yeah for real. This is only really genuinely feasible if you're either: A) Have tremendous fame/clout/status (like 1M+ social media followers) B) Super good looking. Tall, very handsome and fit, and most likely the "desirable" race of your target (probably white)
/r/seduction05/06/25 08:49 PM
5

Well said. I had an old neighbor who was about 5'6 and was coming home with a different baddie every night seemingly. He was decently handsome and very fit. But his trick? He was a male nurse. Likely the only straight male nurse in a large hospital. So he's surrounded by attractive horny young women all day and he's pretty much the only man they encounter. It was like shooting fish in a barrel for him. No competition. He would never admit it, but pretty sure he chose that profession primarily as…
/r/seduction05/06/25 07:39 PM
33

Since you're asking mainly for advice on ONS and quick hookups, I'd say the key is to always be closing. Escalate as soon as you sense positive vibes and energy from her. Always go for the kiss and try to sleep with them as soon as possible. Much lower chance of disappointing her if you make a move too fast than if you wait too long.
/r/seduction05/06/25 04:33 PM
2

Yeah I've done been there, done that. It is definitely addictive. Using women you wouldn't normally want to seriously date as a quick fix for adrenaline, validation, ego boost. Don't recommend taking anything to the extreme. As others have said, moderation is key.
/r/seduction05/06/25 02:38 PM
1

This is a non issue. The men pining for very feminine women usually are not offended by women preferring masculine men. They usually go out of their way to portray themselves as masculine as possible. I don't really see or hear from any red pill men complaining about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:33 PM
2

You're clearly still torn if you're still posting this on the seduction sub lol
/r/seduction05/06/25 02:13 PM
1

Weird that you lost your virginity fairly young sounds like but haven't had sex in 2 years. Why the long gap? Sounds like she's more of a slump buster than "better dick game". I mean a 5 or 5 isn't that bad really if that's on a true 1-10 scale and you just need to get your confidence up. Nothing in your post says she's in love with you or anything and she said she wants to fuck you so I don't really see how that's manipulation like others are saying. Just go for it bro but don't lead her on for…
/r/seduction05/06/25 06:11 AM
2

Maybe not literally anything but they definitely let you get away with more if you're dating down and there's a large difference in SMV.
/r/seduction04/06/25 10:37 PM
1

Wow way to nitpick literally the most famous pick up artist of all time lol. Yes of course if you have mad game you can pull chicks above your league, but most guys aren't on that level of game
/r/seduction04/06/25 08:27 PM
4

Wow way to nitpick a celebrity exception. Also balding is different than someone who's embraced it fully and gone bald. I'm referring to the dudes who have thinning hair. Think rogaine commercial
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 01:12 AM
-1

I understand. Admit that this isn't a healthy mindset in general. I'm just telling OP that he would complain less if he just didn't give them the queen treatment when he thought they didn't deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 12:39 AM
1

Dude why the fuck are you on a sub literally called seduction if you're going to judge so hard. Saying my entire theory is invalid just because I don't get tested after every new lay. Not here giving marriage advice or teaching you how to reach eternal peace. It's just about getting laid.
/r/seduction03/06/25 10:53 PM
26

This is a honeypot if I ever saw one. Don't DM this "girl" if you have any common sense.
/r/seduction03/06/25 10:49 PM
1

Thanks . Yeah that's fair. 10 min drive isn't bad if you don't live in a walkable neighborhood.
/r/seduction03/06/25 10:46 PM
2

Haha thanks for the input. Yeah this dude is unbearable. Don't get why he's judging so hard on a sub that's literally called seduction. Not here giving marriage advice bro. Do you want to get laid or what?
/r/seduction03/06/25 10:43 PM
1

Yeah I get tested at least once a year and use condoms with new partners. Most of them I typically sleep with by the second date, if not third. Maybe it might be where you live or the type of chicks you're dating, but none of my friends really do this either (ask about STIs before sex). When are you sleeping with them? I feel like if it's a ONS or casual fling, it would definitely ruin the mood if you ask for their test results before fucking. But ockams razor. I'm probably more of a slut than y…
/r/seduction03/06/25 10:28 PM
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Yeah it makes no sense at all. They also ban topics about racial preferences and how race affects SMV. Literally one of the biggest factors for who people choose to mate with. 89.5% of current marriages in the USA are within the same race.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 10:16 PM
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Very well said. Most guys should strive to be above average in most aspects of life. If you're under 5'8, balding, and/or more than 20 lbs overweight, you have pretty much no shot at nabbing a relatively attractive woman. The one big exception is guys who snag their women when she's very young and hasn't really entered the dating market yet. Think high school /college sweethearts. These are pretty much the only instances where you'll see a man "dating up" in terms of looks. Otherwise, almost no …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 10:13 PM
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If only men could filter women by their waist size... Hey it's just a "preference"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 10:05 PM
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400 isn't really all that much. I'm sure plenty of other guys on this sub have done more. Thay would be averaging 2 dates a week consistently over 4 years. Pretty feasible. Mine was over about 10 years across multiple cities. And yes of course there's always a risk of catching a bad reputation. You do anything a lot, there's a chance of someone trying to tarnish your name. Curious why you think it's less believable or more risky to procure a lot of dates from cold approach vs online dating? And …
/r/seduction03/06/25 09:32 PM
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Very well said. Want to emphasize the first point. No normal person who's not a parent is "too busy" to make time 1 day out of the week to see you, assuming they live in the same city. People make time for things and people that matter to them. Never buy the too busy excuse. She has time. Just not for you.
/r/seduction03/06/25 07:08 PM
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I think this is a poor solution to a mostly non existent problem. Doesn't solve the core issue of most men not getting enough matches to even go on a date and most women who complain that they just get used for sex and fall into "situationships" with men who don't want to commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:17 PM
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OK so the only difference is that the bartender baby sits you? Doesn't really sound all that different vs current dating apps. When I was on them I would try to set up a date within 4 messages anyway so that automatically filtered out the ones who just wanted to be pen pals and had extreme stranger danger. In general, I think the whole fear of women being afraid their date is a serial killer is quite overstated. In the over 400 first dates I've been on, only once have I heard the hope you're not…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:17 PM
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Assuming it's not a blind date and there are still photos involved (but sounds like no messaging function), I could see that leading even more to the top tier of attractive men swallowing up all the matches. Since the more average men don't have a chance to show off their sense of humor or answer any clarifying questions through chat. For the record, also don't advocate for OLD as a primary dating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:28 PM
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The vast majority of women from my experience (over 95%) are more than happy to come closer to me since that's where most of the action (cools bars/restaurants) is anyway. They're just happy that I took care of the planning and all.
/r/seduction03/06/25 02:42 PM
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There's not just less people, but less SINGLE people in small towns. It's typically the same folks who grew up there and they get married quite a bit younger (off the single market). It's a well known fact that there are better dating prospects in large American cities vs small towns.
/r/seduction03/06/25 02:39 PM
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**1. Would you date a woman who uses cocaine at least once a month? Yes, as long as she doesn't fiend for it and is financially responsible and assuming she's a freak in bed (expected given the party girl behaviors) **2. Would you date a woman who doesn't like drinking alcohol? Yes as long as she doesn't judge me or friends for drinking in front of her 3. Would you date a woman who doesn't like doing physical activity? Yes, as long as she's still in shape and looks fit 4. Would you date a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 07:59 AM
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Do you mean in between a bar and restaurant vibe? Or do you mean geographically in between you and the women's place? If latter, don't see how that would make it easier to makeout
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:29 AM
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Agreed. It works for a bunch of people. Obviously the prerequisite is you have to live in a happening part of town. So not everyone can do that.
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:25 AM
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Yes OK fair point. They just want you to take infiative and take care of the planning so they don't have to bother. Do you have any feedback on the actual point of the post? Agree with the overall theory?
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:22 AM
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So weird to go for a first kiss with you covering her eyes. Could see that coming off as creepy or tricky. Most chicks wouldn't respond well to that. Glad you didn't try that bro.
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:20 AM
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Most men who are in the hardcore dating years (multiple dates a week) of twenties and early thirties likely are fairly early in their careers and don't have enough savings for the down payment of a home so this is assuming they would have to rent anyway. I said rotate between a handful of places. Heck there's over 20 bars within 3 blocks of me so I could just rotate between all of those if I really wanted to. I just 3-5 for simplicity sake.
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:16 AM
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It is if you assume uber/lyft not just gas and parking since these dates will likely involve a fair amount of drinking for most people. See calculation above in other comment.
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:09 AM
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Yes that's why I said the prerequisite is that you live in a city. Great point on the other ulterior benefits. I've done all those things as well. Also agree on the transportation cost being more than the additional cost of rent. Let's say it's about 20% more to live in a nice apartment downtown vs a nice also luxury apartnent 20 min drive from downtown. Assuming $2000 rent for the downtown one, that means an additional $400. 400 dates can be accomplished averaging 2 dates a week for 4 years. So…
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:08 AM
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Yes I was assuming you live in the US where you pretty much have to be in the proper city to have walkability.
/r/seduction03/06/25 04:39 AM
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I don't know how that would give off player vibes. Like I said 99% of my dates never had a problem with me picking a place near my spot. Obviously don't tell them the reason you chose to live there is because it's really great for dating. I would just say it's walking distance to work (which was also true).
/r/seduction03/06/25 04:38 AM
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Not literally step. I should've worded it as condition or prerequisite. Also not AI assisted. Also I didn't mention anything about online dating. Just dating in general. Most of my dates were procured through cold approach
/r/seduction03/06/25 04:36 AM
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Thanks bro. Yeah clearly I know not everyone can apply this advice due to geographic or financial constraints. But if you can, do it.
/r/seduction03/06/25 01:05 AM
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Yeah if you want to seriously run game you definitely need to be in a larger city.
/r/seduction03/06/25 01:02 AM
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Exactly. It's worth it if you plan on going on lots of dates. Save so much on not paying for parking or Uber. But yes it is an investment getting a nice apartment in a bustling area.
/r/seduction03/06/25 12:55 AM
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Well done bro. Appreciate your reply.
/r/seduction03/06/25 12:53 AM
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Fair point. I'm not saying everyone can implement this rule. But if you do have the financial means and already can afford to live in a nice part of town, then this advice applies to you. Plenty of guys I know irl who complain about never being able to close and the end of the date being awkward. They could easily afford to live in such areas but are too dumb /ignorant to.
/r/seduction03/06/25 12:52 AM
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Yes I said that if you actually read the whole post. But in general, the premise is you set the frame and make her come to you. If you don't live in a walkable area just pick the local bar in your area. Don't drive 10+ miles out of your way to see her.
/r/seduction03/06/25 12:38 AM
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Exactly. Just shooting it down without any reasoning of why it's bad and no alternative advice. SMH
/r/seduction03/06/25 12:35 AM
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Haha well I did really enjoy dating and meeting new people. Also got plenty of action so it wasn't all for naught. This is advice on helping you close faster (get her to bed), not marriage advice. Bro you're on a sub called seduction. Read the room.
/r/seduction02/06/25 10:12 PM
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Yeah that's why I said prerequisite to implement this rule is to move to a highly populated area near the bar district of your city.
/r/seduction02/06/25 10:09 PM
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Don't recommend OLD in general, but if you do it, set your radius to 10 miles max. If you aren't consistently getting at least 5-7 matches a week with this setting, you shouldn't be doing OLD.. It's just a waste of time and dopamine rush at that point. 5-7 matches is the bare minimum to get 1 date a week. Most won't message and if they do, they usually fizzle out or flake before the date.
/r/seduction02/06/25 10:07 PM
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It depends on if you're referring to online game or in person game. Totally different ball games. What works online probably won't work in person and vice versa.
/r/seduction02/06/25 08:07 PM
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Well said. Especially the part about always shooting your shot. If you're single and out at a bar, your goal should be to at least attempt one approach by the end of the night. I used to regularly go for 10+ if Iwas really feeling it that night, but if you're just starting out and learning game, do at least 1. "He who hesitates, masturbates"
/r/seduction02/06/25 08:05 PM
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Could mean anything. More important to gauge receptiveness. Does she smile and ask you questions back? Does she pull back? Did you actually ask for her number? I'd recommend going for the close within 2 min of a situation like a supermarket pickup. She's busy running errands.
/r/seduction02/06/25 08:00 PM
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Just ask her on a date. No need to apologize for anything. If you want to reference the kiss (but not necessary), just say you're a great kisser, we should finish what we started. But that could come off as too forward. Just ask her out on a date bro. Not that complicated
/r/seduction02/06/25 07:56 PM
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Next to impossible to close if she was actually waiting for her mom (assuming that's true). She's not going to leave her mom high and dry to go hook up with a random guy. You should've just gotten her number and asked her on a date later this week.
/r/seduction02/06/25 07:54 PM
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Agreed. Definitely keep pursuing other targets and don't put much energy/effort into her at all.
/r/seduction02/06/25 07:47 PM
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Haha yeah I feel ya man. I've gotten lucky like that as well (hit above my league) a handful of times but it's far from the norm of course. A broken clock is still right twice a day. If you're actually just looking for an easy lay, it's going to be much easier when they're below your level.
/r/seduction02/06/25 05:32 PM
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It is frustrating that the 5s and 6s expect the same level of treatment as the 9s and 10s. And yes, women hate hearing it but most men do definitely treat more attractive ladies better than the mediocre looking ones. But this has a fairly simple solution. Hold your ground. Don't continue engaging them if they don't give you what you want relatively early on (I'm assuming that's sex). When I was single and serially dating , I'd just stop talking to a woman if she didn't come back to my place (or …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 05:26 PM
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Are you referring to getting laid the very same night of the cold approach? Or just at any point after getting her number and meeting via cold approach? Most of my lays have happened after the second date. But it you're referring to same night in particular, that almost always has to be done in an alcohol infused setting like a bar/club. In that case, it's definitely a numbers game. Gotta be shooting your shot throughout the night and not sulking after the first time you get rejected. Most impor…
/r/seduction02/06/25 05:00 PM
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Good point. Most important thing is approaching the right girl. Lot of it comes down to how attractive she is relative to you. If you're a 7 you're going to have much higher chances pulling a 5 or 6 than and a chick who's an 8 or 9. Sounds silly to have to spell it out but that's just the truth.
/r/seduction02/06/25 04:49 PM
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Ah gotcha that makes sense. Definitely been there. It's a tough pickle for sure. Looks are highly important to most guys so it's just your human nature to pick the hotter one, especially if there's a 2+ point differential. I'd say you should progress further with both to vet out the sexual compatibility aspect as well. If the 6.5 is a total freak (as I prefer) and the 9 is a lame duck, I'd go with the lesser attractive one in a heartbeat. If both are about the same level in bed and neither seems…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:27 PM
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Of course most would prefer the one who has a quieter, more modest online presence. But it really depends on how much less attractive she is. Are we talking a 9 vs 7? In that case, 7 for sure. If it's like a 10 vs 5, that definitely changes the calculus quite a bit. Also in your example, you're only referring to women you've matched with on a dating app. You're making all these presumption after some internet sleuthing before actually meeting them in person. I wouldn't make any decisions before …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:05 PM
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So you never even slept with her, correct? From all the going back and forth over years with you and exes, I'm just gathering she doesn't have genuine burning desire for you. Move on and find someone that does.
/r/seduction31/05/25 05:47 PM
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Nice analogy and sentiment. Easier said than done. Most men will be less smooth and come off as more desperate the hotter the target is. It all comes down to physical/sexual attraction. If you think she's a 9, you're going to treat her differently than if she's a 6. And yes I know the saying. Treat every chick like she's a 5 or 6 and like you've been there, done that. Easier said than done. Human nature.
/r/seduction30/05/25 05:41 PM
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When I hear this (or anytime I get a new lay), I like to do a little post sex survey... When did you know you wanted to fuck me? The answer is almost always something like when we first kissed or within a couple minutes of the date.
/r/seduction29/05/25 11:40 PM
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Maybe run through wasn't the right terminology. I just mean if we went back to a society where people actually dated within their looks match aka plus/minus 1 of themselves. If this was the case and average to slightly above avg men (5s and 6s) actually had a chance with 5 and 6 women, there's a much lower chance said women would be getting pumped and dumped since these guys would theoretically be more appreciative of them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 08:44 PM
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I get your analogy but I think a more accurate one would be a starving man would be happy to get some basic food like Chipotle. He doesn't need an endless supply of filet mignon. The "food" will give him sustenance and confidence to continue pursuing realistic targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:46 PM
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I think the world would be a more peaceful place if men who never get laid could at least have a season where they ran though a couple of easy flings.. Most of these lonely men you're referring to don't actually aspire to be Chad. They just want to get a few 5s and 6s without selling the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:22 PM
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Yeah good point. I don't really go out of my way to hang out individually with them and it's usually through work or other social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 02:07 PM
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You're really hung up on the money lol. My point is to me $50 isn't that much and I usually get some action so I think it's worth it. Also I enjoy drinks vs coffee personallly
/r/seduction28/05/25 09:41 PM
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There's nothing wrong with having female friends per se. But going out of your way to explicitly find female friends that are purely platonic is silly. I've found it's much harder and less natural to develop organic friendships with women who are also single themselves. It's basically like they have a massive chip on their shoulder and think everyone is out to get them. Get offended by every little comment and take things so personally. I've found the easiest, most natural female friendships are…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:27 PM
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Yes agreed. Beyond the minor $50 investment or so for drinks, I think it's better to have a social lubricant and disinhibitor like a alcohol vs a stimulant like coffee.
/r/seduction28/05/25 07:02 PM
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The key is trying to get her alone even for a few seconds. Go for the close (get the digits) when the other friend goes to the bathroom or up to the bar to get a drink. If it fails, you've only flamed out in front of 1 rather than both. When initially approaching, you pretty much have to engage both and can't just ignore one. Assuming both are still attractive you'll most likely have better luck closing with the lesser attractive one since she's probably not used to getting approached much. I'm …
/r/seduction28/05/25 06:58 PM
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All over. Dabbled a bit in online dating but majority were from cold approaches. Bars, grocery stores, dog parks, train stations. Literally any time I left my house was an opportunity to meet someone. Currently in LTR with gf I picked up at the office via cold approach.
/r/seduction27/05/25 11:49 PM
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All about gauging receptiveness. If she's smiling and asking you questions back, that's a great sign. Keep the convo flowing until she really seems like she needs to go.. Then go for the close. "hey well it was great meeting you. You're really cute and I'd love to take you out for a drink sometime. Can I have your number?“
/r/seduction27/05/25 09:28 PM
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Totally agree. One of the best posts I've read I a while. Most women who aren't supermodels themselves really just want a guy who's above average in most facets of life. No need to be the biggest gym freak or money hungry guy out there. Of course there are certain things beyond your control like height and race which will greatly impact your dating prospects. But as OP is saying, control the things you can control. May God grant you the serenity to accept the things you cannot. For context, I'm …
/r/seduction27/05/25 07:11 PM
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My thoughts exactly. Really depends on the preference and if it's truly a preference or a deal breaker. My girl used to mostly go for black dudes but I have a perfectly functional d and can still pipe her down properly. If I was significantly below avg in that department, would definitely be difficult or impossible for her to overcome. Similarly if a chick says she prefers taller guys she probably means like 6'1 or so. Would be OK with a guy who is avg height like 5'10 as long as it's taller tha…
/r/seduction27/05/25 06:09 PM
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Not high investment in terms of money per se. Time as well. Whoever gets a second coffee? How much longer do you linger and chat after you finish your coffee? Do you have to head back to work? To be fair I've only even attempted it once and it was awful. Confirmed all of these fears and more.
/r/seduction26/05/25 06:34 PM
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Yeah I wouldn't entertain the idea of such a long distance relationship. But you're your own man and I'm sure you're aware of the risks of visa fraud and all. Personally I don't even consider committing to a woman until I've finished on her face multiple times. I know that's a pretty extreme policy but that's just me.
/r/seduction26/05/25 06:30 PM
1

Ah OK fair enough. Most of my dates (and myself) usually enjoy some liquid lubrication so thats why I mentioned the booze. If you don't really drink much, different ball game entirely
/r/seduction26/05/25 05:07 PM
1

Yes it is cheap. But that's part of the reason it's not a good idea. Doesn't show enough of an investment. I also mostly only did dates from cold approach so the risk of them not looking as attractive as expected was little to none. Worst is when you have an online date that shows up 50 lbs bigger than expected and you've already ordered $50 worth of drinks and appetizers and realize immediately there's zero physical attraction. Point is I think coffee would be more reasonable for an online date…
/r/seduction26/05/25 05:05 PM
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I'd take it a step further and say if a woman is not cool with the place you picked for the date, red flag and let her walk. I can count on one hand of how many women countered with a different place that was perfectly convenient for them. 99% prefer the man to take the initiative to pick a time and place.
/r/seduction26/05/25 04:53 PM
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Is she at least giving you quality, frequent head when you do so see her? If not, way too risky to put a ring on a chick who claims to be waiting until marriage but expects you to support her before vetting any aspect of the sexual compatibility.
/r/seduction26/05/25 04:50 PM
2

Yeah really not all that much if you're doing 2 dates a week consistently for 3 years
/r/seduction26/05/25 05:52 AM
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That's why you gotta pick a place within a few blocks of your place. So they just can walk down the street and then pay for their own Uber back home after you do the deed or if she sleeps over.
/r/seduction26/05/25 05:24 AM
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Sushi is one of the most expensive cuisines in America especially if both of you have a strong appetite. But yes chicks do love sushi typically. Also if you get a bottle of sake or 2 with the sushi that's easily $100 right there. But of course it depends on where you take them for drinks. Fancy cocktail lounge will be more expensive than a dive bar.
/r/seduction26/05/25 05:22 AM
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Preach. Been on over 400 first dates in my life and 99% have been drinks first. If it's going well and you've already made out, sure grab a bite to eat after.. Never suggest dinner or coffee (too formal, rushed, awkward to go for a kiss on the first date).
/r/seduction24/05/25 06:37 PM
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America. In a fairly large city
/r/seduction23/05/25 11:23 PM
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It depends on the situation and if she's alone and her intoxication levels tbh. In the cases where she was with a bunch of friends, I would get the number and sometimes they would text me to come over later that night after they got alone. Other times you just get her in conversation alone away from her friends and lay down the sauce hard. When her friends ask her if she's leaving along with them, she says no I'm going home with him. I remember once a chick was pretty lit and waiting for her fri…
/r/seduction23/05/25 02:29 PM
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Depends on the guy but I've seen it many times. If you're referring to meeting her at a bar (not a planned date) and taking her home that same night to smash I've done it maybe about 10 times.
/r/seduction23/05/25 05:47 AM
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Yup this is the sad truth most women fail to realize. Most men will sleep with a 5 or 6,but that doesn't mean they'll actually consider dating them for LTR. Being a 6 woman on a non-delusional male scale that actually goes 1 to 10 (not 6-10 like women rate each other) is good enough to sleep with just about any guy you want.. But the problem with that is they think Chad who had a fling with them will actually pick them one day to settle down with. So they ignore the 6s and 7 guys who are actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 01:41 AM
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Thought this going to be an actual cold approach opener so this is very underwhelming. Online dating opener like this is just a shot in the dark. Not creative and total shotgun method.
/r/seduction23/05/25 01:36 AM
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Maybe you looked funny. Or had an interesting outfit. They both could've just thought you were an odd looking character. How do you know she was checking you out?
/r/seduction22/05/25 09:12 PM
1

No need to try to get sexual tension going at the gym itself. Just casually ask her if she wants to grab a drink or bite after the workout and if that goes well, take her on a proper date when you're not in gym clothes and all.
/r/seduction22/05/25 04:33 PM
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Haha no I'm just saying my best guess based on looking at them. Very rare to see a 25 yr old looking woman with a 35 yr old loooking man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:28 PM
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In real life I know or see very few women (<10%) in their twenties with men who appear at least 5 years older than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:28 PM
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The key is making it an easy, convenient option. I used to always pick a bar within a few blocks of my place so we could just walk a few min so she could "check out my place". Never pick a place where you both have to drive. I would usually encourage them to Uber to the date as well so they don't have to worry about drinking/driving and finding parking. I've found that the less things she has to worry about the lower her inhibitions will be.
/r/seduction22/05/25 02:01 PM
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Not too late. I'd just say you should be realistic in your targets. Don't be going after smoking hot 22 yr olds right away. I'm almost your age and have been working game for pretty much my whole life. From my experience, the easiest, most "ready to go" women are 32-39 who don't have kids. There's an abundance of single women that age (at least where I live) and there's way less competition than women in their mid-twenties. They're more sure of what they want and thirsty in general.
/r/seduction21/05/25 03:24 PM
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Yeah I've just been to Dallas once as an adult many years ago and do remember hooking up with a baddie at some bar. So 1 for 1 haha
/r/seduction20/05/25 11:03 PM
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Assuming you're in a smaller city then? You'll definitely have more opportunities if you movr to a city with 500k + population. And if you have those other physical features it definitely helps... As long as you're at least 5'9 or so. If you're significantly below avg height you're going to have a tough time pulling chicks from cold approach (even more so online because of height filters) in just about any city in America.
/r/seduction20/05/25 10:57 PM
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Only been to Austin a handful of times but I saw a lot of attractive white women in their 20s and 30s out at bars. My larger point is to avoid certain cities like SF and Seattle and go to a city with at least 500k people.
/r/seduction20/05/25 10:51 PM
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Assuming you're referring to "prime" dating years of 21-40 for people who don't have kids. For that, it's all about being somehwee with other young single people and a favorable gender ratio (more women than men). Also assuming you mean for a relatively "normal" looking man. If you're Chad (white, 6'2, handsome and ripped) you'll clean up in any city. No city in america over 500k is crazy skewed like 80% female vs 20% men or vice versa. But the difference between 58 vs 42% and vice versa can be …
/r/seduction20/05/25 10:30 PM
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If you just want casual hookups you pretty much have to drink and be in the bar/club scene. High double digit body count (also south Asian but live in America) and only 1 of my hookups was dead sober. Alcohol was involved to some degree in every other instance I slept with a woman for the first time.
/r/seduction19/05/25 05:55 PM
1

I definitely judge women who are 25 and over who still live with their parents. Never really met anyone in America who doesn't drive a car so can't speak to that bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 06:02 AM
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Mostly agree. Most guys do know they're still interested in the women even after they're friend zoned and attempt some version of the "long game" but this rarely works as OP stated. Unless the reason is that she's not over her ex or she thinks you're too nice and you actually prove to her that you can get with other attractive women, the guy is usually pretty much dead in the water when they get friend zoned. Most of the time that really is just a nice way of letting him down and she has no inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:28 PM
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I'm a guy in a LTR for about 2 years. Tbh I just got into reading red pill stuff about a year ago and think it's pretty toxic and negative for getting into a relationship and basically teaches men to fear and mistrust women. Don't think I would've pursued my gf initially if I had been consuming this content for years prior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:26 PM
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Yes but personality would not be the FIRST thing he highlights most likely. This is assuming a woman he's recently started dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:10 PM
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Yes. Don't think most straight women say "one of the girls" but agree with the rest of his post. Being labeled as nice for a guy is basically saying she doesn't want to sleep with you and will never see you as more than a loose friend. Similarly, if a guy initially describes a woman as nice or sweet, it's almost always a euphemism for fat and/or ugly. If he was attracted to her he would use a physical descriptor like brunette, thin, great smile, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:37 PM
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Is she giving you oral first to get you ready before the condom? If not, definitely try to get her to do that first before resorting to ED drugs.
/r/seduction12/05/25 06:31 PM
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OP is likely referring to guys swiping right on them. You're probably imagining cold approach method of getting hit on. Yes that's much more rare and that typically only happens to 8+ looks scale women. So less than 20% at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 01:32 AM
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Mostly agree. Men just want to get laid at the end of the day and the vast majority of men are not willing to commit more than 5 dates or a month (whichever comes first) to vet the sexual compatibility component at the end of the day. Blue pill just masks with a bit more feminist perspective and takes it a bit slower but no man is going to wait 6 months before taking his pants off if he's exclusively dating a woman in the modern western dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:40 AM
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I think these are fringe cases but my best guess would be that these are pretty socially awkward men who haven't tried or had much luck with dating for the majority of their life. These women probably give a mean blowjob and cook for them. For some guys, all it really takes is the good ol "keep my stomach full and balls empty". That's literally all they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 03:35 AM
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Yes I do think it's probably overstated to some degree by red pill and all. But still more than you see because these are the dirty little secrets that hot guys hook up with but don't actually take out on dates so you won't regularly see them out in public together. Also to make sure we're on the same page with what counts as a 6, what would you rate the woman from my initial post above? Plenty of dudes who would call her an 8+ as you see in the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:02 PM
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Agreed. I still think there are more avg women getting run through by hot men than you're estimating. For just short term flings I mean
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:23 PM
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I see your point. If you have that much optionality you're getting dozens of matches a week, you may as well pick the hottest ones at that point. But most guys are not in the top 10% like you so the majority of their matches would be around the 6 range
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:13 PM
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I suppose it really depends on your degree of optionality and how selective you are. I'm just saying I know plenty of good looking men (8s and 9s) who routinely sleep with 6 women because it's "easy money" and requires significantly less effort/time than bagging an 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:34 PM
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Yeah that's a good one too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:48 PM
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Totally agree. I'd say it's closer to 90% of the time they don't actual want to develop a close friendship with you. Just a nice way of rejecting you. And let's be real her. What guy actually genuinely wants to just be friends with a woman he's sexually attracted to. The best way to test if they actually want to be friends is to ask them for dating advice and tell them about other girls you're talking to. Weeds out the disingenuous ones really fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:30 AM
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Lol that's fair. Also good policy to assume best case scenario she looks like her worst photo in the profile in real life. She also admitted to gaining weight recently. So probably closer to a 4 or 5 in the flesh. Anyone saying 7 or higher is delusional or just very desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:43 PM
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Compared to the girl in the bumble post? Yes my gf is more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:58 PM
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Yeah I'd firmly say she's a 6. Looks like pretty much every other woman who's single in Nashville (which does trend higher on avg than many other cities in America). Very basic "typical" white girl look. Would be right at the 50th percentile in that city where she's dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:52 PM
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I'd beg to differ on her not being a Chad chaser. I've dated about a dozen woman who look eerily similar to her (not a Chad but don't really have issues getting laid). Clearly she's having trouble finding a guy to commit hence why she's having trouble getting into LTR. Which makes me think her standards are too high. She's just used as a short term fling for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:53 PM
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Agreed. If she was in a place like Cleveland she would be an 8, so in the top 20% easily. In Nashville, she barely cracks the top half of ladies in the dating market. She's pretty much the median looking single woman in Nashville. Hence why so many of the comments on that thread are calling her a 9 or 10. Most random dudes on reddit would pick her in a heartbeat but those arent the guys she's swiping on clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 09:08 PM
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Looks are the primary factor in determining if a woman will be "chosen". A solid 6 is hot enough for any man to sleep with but not good enough for a high value man to commit to for LTR. What prompts this theory is this post that has been blowing up on the Bumble sub. 31F no kids. Never married. This woman isn't having any trouble at all getting matches or dates, but struggling with finding men that want anything serious. She has been put firmly in the "sleeper" category by all the men she has da…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 08:48 PM
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Well said. Cold approach is far from dead. Just have to be realistic with who you approach and be cognizant of social cues and body language when you do it.. Met my gf at the office so I guess that would be a "warm approach" but I had never seen her prior and used the same cold strategy as I would in a grocery store or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:29 PM
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Fair point. This is why guys should never take dating advice from females. Platonic female friendships should only be entered very cautiously IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:50 PM
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I think it's a bit of both. For young men who've had little to no experience dating (especially IRL), it's probably more of the manosphere content they consume. 52% of men between 18-24 have never asked out a woman in person. For men who are a bit older and more experienced, I think it's likely them being jaded or scorned from women they've dated/attempted to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:34 PM
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As long as she's attractive and good in bed, yeah sure I wouldn't have a problem if she's had some coaching. I mean how is it all that different than getting advice on reddit subs like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 08:30 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:52 AM
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I think you're missing the point lol. Even if it is indeed just a social construct, race still matters a lot to a lot of people in terms of dating. For minorities, it deeply affects their optionality in terms of the number of people who would give them a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:26 PM
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Here we go with the "race is just a social construct" argument. The vast majority of humans have some subconscious biases based on race. Some of the most liberal/progressive white people in America have never actually dated someone outside their race. 89.5% of married couples were of the same race in 2023. No matter if YOU think it's just a made up construct, it doesn't change the fact that race is still one of the biggest factors when it comes to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:37 PM
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I'm just talking about in terms of dating prospects. Not saying one race is more fertile or fit to breed more than another. The post was about being approached with romantic intention. Nobody is talking about actually making babies lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:32 PM
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Fair point. Happens most frequently with average or slightly above average women IRL especially if they're over 30 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:50 PM
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Calling all women beautiful and proclaiming that the man is lucky to be with her because she's out of his league. I see this happen even in cases where the man is clearly dating down (in terms of looks, age, status, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 03:05 PM
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There's dozens of studies based on dating site likes (simplest way to gauge desirability quanitifiably) that have shown certain races are more less desirable than others. Asian men are by far the least universally liked. Amongst women, black women get the least attention. White men and white women are the most "desirable", as you probably could guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:35 PM
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I've approached thousands of women and can count on one hand how many approached me. Faint memories but yeah I guess they were in my ballpark
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 12:00 AM
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Haha yes quite a bit of work indeed. Definitely not a passive strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 03:02 PM
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Men tolerate a ton of nonsense drama as well, if not more, depending on the woman. This is one of the biggest crock of shit arguments I've seen on this sub in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:38 PM
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Yes this is common sense and largely explained by natural biological factors. Mainly that men have much higher natural levels of testosterone, which is directly correlated with higher sex drive
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:39 PM
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Good point. When women complain about lack of good men to date, they mean men they are attracted to that want/ are ready for a serious relationship with them. When men complain about dating struggles, it's more absolute in terms of literally not being able to get a date with any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 06:11 PM
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Would be more valid of a point if the other methodology of "don't chase, attract" actually worked for more than the top 5% of men. And to attract women that they're actually very attracted to not just mediocre looking ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:56 PM
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Totally fair question. I'm 5'9, have a full head of hair, and am decently fit/handsome. As others have said, yes you definitely need to be a certain level of physical attractiveness (and height is a huge component of that for men) to have a chance with the cold approach method. As for your point on online being better since you know they're single and all, yeah while that may be the case, doesn't necessarily mean she'll be attracted to you once you actually meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:52 PM
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Opportunity is a loose term. Do you mean if given the opportunity to have free, easy sex with a random woman or a particular, extremely attractive woman? Would there be any repurcussions or chance of getting discovered? Details matter. Also it depends on the length and quality of the man's own relationship. Is he in a dead bedroom with a partner whose gained 100 lbs since he met her? Or is it a man who has the most supportive partner one can imagine and an incredible sex life?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:31 AM
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Lol funny video. I get your point. I guess I was just using the term cold approach more liberally as an alternative to meeting online.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:55 PM
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All those would qualify as a cold approach to some degree. Striking up a conversation with someone in your college classroom or the pub is definitely an in person approach. All are much different than swiping online.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:43 PM
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Yes I should've clarified cold approach method can only really work in western cultures like America.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:18 PM
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Well that is exactly the issue at hand. Men aren't cold approaching enough. It's a lost art. Only the Chad's think they have a chance with the method. Approached on dating apps isn't an apt comparison since you are only jusdijg them off a screen rather than their actual personality
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:05 AM
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The reason women swipe is entirely different from how or who she would engage in an in person convo with. Not an apples to apples comparison and that's another reason to go with cold approaches. A swipe is a 1 second snap judgement based on purely physical attributes. With an approach you can work your charm (if you have any).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:51 PM
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Fair. I just suggested something simple yet assertive since lots of guys get buried in the friend zone if they just stick to small talk the whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:46 PM
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Yeah fair points. Definitely never a bad idea to have a solid wardrobe and be fit. I could see it being cringe but it's all about the execution (only creepy if you make it creepy) and the targeting. I.e. who are you and who are you approaching
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:45 PM
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Yeah you do need to have a reasonable level of attractiveness and height, but not quite Chad level as is required on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:43 PM
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