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Screen for compliance. Lots of time, energy, and attention is being spent with women who are making X/Y/Z rules and hoops for you to jump through. Classic example is chatting up a girl you just met in the first few minutes hinting at you buying them drinks, just don't do unless you've gotten real investment out of them. Not building dates or time spent around things that cost money. If you're centering your time around going to all the latest and greatest restaurants, you're conditioning an expe…
/r/seduction05/11/25 10:06 PM
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You prevent that by playing the part of someone who moves quickly. All this waiting nonsense done by the first guy is a wasted effort, because he's not getting her invested enough to want to seal the deal with him. At least if he's showing intent and additionally following through with escalation, there is no guarantee but he will know his answer then and there. The guys that have success hit some bottom threshold of a woman's attraction, be it a combination of looks/personality/status/action. I…
/r/seduction01/11/25 10:44 PM
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You should lose interest. You're in a place right now where this behavior is a waste of your time. You can play along with it by not giving a shit and using her investment to get her out on the date, but at the end of the day she revealed who she was with her behavior so it's never going to go past a one night stand that you won't remember anyway.
/r/seduction13/10/25 11:43 PM
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Wonderful, you didn't offer anything except the same point I made. Help out the OP already.
/r/seduction11/10/25 03:03 PM
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You can absolutely ignore it, the the rest of the video still applies things you should do when you get the green light to do so. I don’t give a shit about your preference, nor does the OP for that matter. Way to miss the point. The OP is looking for answers to why his numbers are weak. Feel free to post your infield and help him out.
/r/seduction11/10/25 03:38 AM
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There's various things that contribute to this problem. The most important thing to focus on is solid interactions. If you're not getting a solid conversation with high investment, consider that number dead if you text and she doesn't reply back. Watch this interaction and ignore any of the factors like the camera being there or it being a street interview. If your conversations don't look like this (except for daygame), you need to change it up. It's not a requirement as I've had neutral reacti…
/r/seduction11/10/25 12:53 AM
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I think the bigger issue most guys are facing is neutral interest. It's neither positive or negative, but it just doesn't go anywhere, and escalation is met with lackadaisical reaction. I'm sure if it was a negative reaction most men can read the room and back off, but neutral interest seems to cause confusion because the girl is still open to conversation. If it doesn't convert to high interest soon, it will turn into a timewaster set, so I always recommend forcing their hand if she's staying i…
/r/seduction10/10/25 01:52 AM
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Sure but if you're asking the question if you did anything wrong, what I've mentioned still applies even if she wasn't interested in you.
/r/seduction02/10/25 06:37 PM
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A few things: You're being too logical by explaining your reasoning for why low effort dates are better or your dating philosophy. I recommend steering the conversation with a joke or playfully teasing her. Get a little more investment in text out of her and if she's holding firm on dinner then you've successfully screened her out. No dinner/food until a relationship is too extreme. If you slept with her already, does it really matter? Do you really think after you've seen each other for a bit s…
/r/seduction02/10/25 06:31 PM
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When bars/clubs don't have people I just go out to busy street intersections and open a girl. Sometimes it just works out that way because the women you want to meet are in the area of your nightlife district, but they're just not going to bars or whichever spot you decided to go so this is an alternative to that. This one is another example: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d45iZqztAis This guy doesn't even go to bars anymore, and he likely wasn't going to meet that girl if he did cause she proba…
/r/seduction25/09/25 02:28 PM
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The actual approach is not that much different than normal daygame. The difference just comes in the fact that people are more social on a night out, so you can do what you used to do in a different setting. Festivals/concerts are an option, but you can keep it basic and just stop a woman on a busy street intersection and convert it to a date at a bar nearby or just get a number.
/r/seduction25/09/25 02:10 PM
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Day game as in the one you described, going up to a woman on the street/mall/park/grocery store. As for my adaptation, I noticed in night game there's just not a good number of approachable sets in the places I go to, so what I did to change that was cold approach outside during the weekend nights where there is high foot traffic. It skips the whole waiting in a bar/club for one girl you find attractive to show up. It also catches the women that probably left dinner with her friends, ones that d…
/r/seduction25/09/25 04:01 AM
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I somewhat agree that it's dying, but also disagree in some part. There's definitely a vibe shift that happened years ago, the difference is very noticeable comparing 10-15 years ago and going out now. Women still go out to bars and clubs, but the issue is a lot of them don't go with the intention to meet a guy, some are not as attractive, and the ones remaining you'll have to compete with others for her attention. Lots of PUAs are pushing day game hard because there's no competition and it's ea…
/r/seduction25/09/25 03:36 AM
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Personally I don't have an issue getting food, the reality is if you're worried about being used for free food, you could also get used for free drinks and at times it can be more expensive than food. What you can do is suggest a location that that's has food but is not a full course meal and then go to some other location after that. This can be a taco truck or gourmet donuts, some famous pizza place, or a pop up market. If they balk at that it's a red flag and a sign they were demanding a full…
/r/seduction03/09/25 07:06 PM
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Not much, but there are some differences. Comparing it to 2021 for example literally everyone was dying to go out after lockdowns so it was a great time to go out. These days some normal changes you'd expect. Locally some locations don't have the crowd sizes they used to, and places that were really great at some point have become PUA battlegrounds to the point where you're the tenth guy approaching and no matter how good you are she's fatigued by it. 15 years ago when I wasn't gaming nightlife …
/r/seduction27/08/25 02:59 PM
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This is coming from a native new yorker, in all honesty there's not much difficulty in putting yourself out there because there's so many people in your situation just moving here with no connections, you can form social circles very easily. That's the irony of it, lots of people are not from here and yet they're in the same boat in their lack of social life when first starting out. For general advice, the "do everything" approach works well here. There many different kinds of social groups you …
/r/seduction25/08/25 04:30 PM
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Frame, screening/filtering is 90% of the equation here when it comes to first date pulls. The large majority of the time it happens is because you went on a date with the right girl, and it happens in the very beginning of matching/meeting. First is figuring out info on her situation can narrow down if she's more likely the type to be willing to or not. Is she on vacation? Moving? Recently out of a break up? Bored? Non-monogmous? These are some examples of a higher likelihood but not a immediate…
/r/seduction19/08/25 06:05 PM
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Just turned 36 and got a number/makeout with a 22 year old at a club. I notice with some older guys that date younger the girls don't really care as long as you take care of yourself physically and you don't make your age a big deal. Your age range is likely easier all things considered.
/r/seduction17/08/25 07:42 PM
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6 at a time, and I told all of them. If you don't know how to schedule and set cadence it will be difficult. I typically made plans every day of the week for the most part and did so like a week in advance by asking for all their free days and lining it up to the most optimal days for each person I saw. Sometimes on a weekend I would have an afternoon date and an evening date. Others I would see a couple weeks at a time and stagger it out.
/r/seduction17/08/25 04:05 PM
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To have a good ratio you're going to have to screen out profiles based on their bio/pictures, and you'll need to screen even further in the conversation so there's no guarantee. On the match itself the conversation will have to be more flirtatious and suggestive to see if they ghost or unmatch. After 4 years I'm in the 60ish range which could have been much higher but I largely swiped left on any profile that did not look willing to come home first/second date. There were some cases where they'l…
/r/seduction30/07/25 02:36 PM
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This is called seeding the pull. You bring it up early on in the conversation and can use it for anything. I have a private gym, so I tell them about it before it's brought up much later when going for the pull. Other examples are things like mentioning you play guitar, having a balcony view of the city, etc.
/r/seduction21/07/25 08:55 PM
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Ever heard of the phrase open and recalibrate after? Basically it means tune your approach based on how she responds. For example if you opened and they were really high energy, coming in calm and chill might deflate her mood and get bored, but if it's far too higher than hers you might scare her off. You can slowly bring her up or down over time to where you want to go.
/r/seduction21/07/25 01:58 PM
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While I do agree with the whole kino aspect, I would also say on the other hand there's other factors that will make a women ghost. You can take women out on a first date and pull them home, give them a good time and the next day they'll say they're not feeling it. It could happen because of something like they started second guessing themselves once they've emotionally reset the next day and you didn't text them back quick enough, they saw you as a one night stand, or they realized they didn't …
/r/seduction19/07/25 09:28 PM
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You're getting all worked up over the randomness of night game. The reality is you could have approached and they would still reject you and talk to those other guys, and there's also a chance they'd talk to you or reject everyone else, or even they would just say yes to the first guy that came up to them. What I'm saying is you have no idea and you'll never know until you find out. As for not approaching, be comfortable with self amusement. It should be entertaining for you to go up to someone …
/r/seduction19/07/25 08:27 PM
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Your Market May Vary. It depends where you live in. If you're in a suburb? Not likely you can do 50 approaches in your popular bar given all the factors (population size, too many regulars). Say you're in one of the cities I mentioned you can absolutely do 50 but if you're good enough you shouldn't need to. If you're in a mid size city with decent foot traffic you can still get to that number at night game alone if you don't hang in a single bar the entire time.
/r/seduction16/07/25 12:56 AM
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The answer is YMMV. Some people live in cities where you can do 50 approaches in a single night. Think Vegas (The Strip, Night Clubs), Nashville (Broadway), Austin (West 6th St). Omnia night club in Vegas for example holds 8000 people. So if you don't live in any of those hubs, how do you do it in your city? You approach women in outside in busy traffic streets by the bar/night districts. Now the real question is, do you need to? No. If you have a good approach, she likes you and her circumstanc…
/r/seduction16/07/25 12:30 AM
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Absolutely, here are some examples, this channel has a bunch of shorts with many different opens you can try out: * https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AprMzLV3UqE (Quick set before they get on an uber) * https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r5dDL--3iok (Commanding presence that gets them to a full stop) * https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gpLX74aP_H4 (Seated single open)
/r/seduction14/07/25 01:26 AM
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You just haven't learned how to do bar/night game yet. There is a way to do every type of game that fits your preferences. I go to clubs and barely dance these days (and if I do I'm in a set with a girl), and only drink seltzer water. When I talk to girls, we're talking into each others ear and having some physical contact (shoulders/arms) quickly. Do not forget night game is also outside on the street with busy foot traffic, there's lots of range in how it can be done.
/r/seduction13/07/25 11:36 PM
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You're asking this question because what you're doing only .01% of men actually do this. They've likely never done it themselves, and probably don't need to if they're in the right environment. This is because the majority of dating is done through proximity. Their advice sounds solid in a time where social circles were small with even ratios (in the sense of a town vs city), rigidly enforced, and decently active. A High status manager/doctor/lawyer would usually find their match through work, b…
/r/seduction11/07/25 01:36 AM
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There's a few tells and techniques to know whether or not to keep things going. First is the investment level. Are you doing all the talking? What happens if you stop talking, will she try to fill in the conversation? If not there's not enough investment from her. You have to eventually tilt the convo from the beginning where you're doing most of the conversation to 50/50, then her for the majority of it, all while escalating at the same time. One technique that can be used is free association, …
/r/seduction07/07/25 02:39 PM
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Cringe is all a matter of perception. If someone did all those tactics and the girl was enamored by him, where's the cringe? A third person watching all the action and doing nothing for themselves? Who cares? Cringe can also happen in conversations that have no PUA concepts at all. "Rizz" is just PUA rebranded, those gen Z guys just don't want to admit it.
/r/seduction06/07/25 03:48 PM
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The mistake is in the 30 minute mark as you went outside. This was an escalation since you both left a place for more privacy. You could have moved it further depending on the situation. At that point you could have said "let's get out of here" and ubered home, or if you can't then find a secluded place and take it from there. Going back in was a de-escalation on your part, so the problem is you're not comfortable going for what you want and it made you crumble and leave a situation you had in t…
/r/seduction04/07/25 02:30 PM
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For men it's a matter of them distracting everyone else other than your girl. If he happens to like a girl that he's distracting it's just a bonus. Separate the conversations so you shouldn't remain in the same place and you can escalate out of sight. Doing sets with a wing can be hard, because if they suck they can ruin a set that was going good. Just practice on the separation part and see how much you can get away with in his limited ability until he works up to a better understanding. For wo…
/r/seduction04/07/25 02:24 PM
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Yes it's called street game. This is the bread and butter of what ghetto dudes do to pick up but anyone can do it. Just post up on a busy intersection, or bar/club district. The advantages to this are it's free, there's less competition, you have a bigger chance for volume, and at night time women are more willing to talk.
/r/seduction30/06/25 02:20 PM
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It's context dependent but typically the way it's done is you provide value/fun in a conversation than they could have without you. Lots of people take value by asking questions too much. When you're the one in the hot seat you're doing things like leading the conversation, you're making statements that spark emotion and make people want to talk. Think about the question "Where were you last night?". It could be said in so many ways: monotone, suspicion, confusion, playfully suggestive. That is …
/r/seduction30/06/25 01:57 PM
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I think I know what you're talking about and there's definitely a different energy. I've had 95% of my success through dating apps and the rest in person. What I've learned so far is different styles of game serve different environments. The first confusion might be that swinger bars/clubs are not like normal bars or clubs. This is because everyone has a premise of to going to a swinger event of some kind, normal places do not, so you're interacting with people that didn't come to make out, alre…
/r/seduction29/06/25 02:48 PM
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Not completely safe, but hedging your bets is something that doesn't take much effort. Say you're in a closed off space where it's awkward to interrupt vs standing side by side and having body language that invites people to come in and talk.
/r/seduction23/06/25 09:21 PM
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I meant to say defend yourself as in using the non emotional tactics to counter AMOG'ing in other threads mentioned in this sub, not overreacting to them.
/r/seduction23/06/25 09:17 PM
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Parts of me agrees and disagrees with the advice that the woman's reaction tells you what you need to know about her. On one hand she has no investment in you and if the vibe isn't right because of these circumstances, it can cause her not to feel any spark with you. On the other hand, I think it's an absolute dick behavior for a woman to entertain some other guy's attention while on a date. I'm sure the reasoning behind this is somewhere between she's used to this kind of attention so it's just…
/r/seduction23/06/25 04:58 PM
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It's because two common failure points are those who make it their mission to approach every single girl in a 1 mile radius, and those that try to hype themselves up, and actually do everything except for closing the deal and wasting all that effort. Only a very few number of people can do the first without expressing desperate behavior, and the second is done by people who make it such a big deal to build up enough energy through drinking, constant self amusement or talking to people that won't…
/r/seduction17/06/25 06:18 PM
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Not true, I've gone home with girls after 10 minutes in a club, but the situations have to call for it though. The common scenarios where things fail are: Being too available or eager, using up all the tension in a makeout and it gets boring, or waiting too long that the tension fizzles out. This situation was likely all the tension was used up in the makeouts and could have been stretched out enough to hop. I've had other situations where you'd spend most of the night with a girl, makeout a bun…
/r/seduction03/06/25 03:44 PM
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Never said it was equivalent. Transportation as in using uber to and from destinations and whether or not the girl wants a ride back. It adds up depending on the amount of dates you have.
/r/seduction03/06/25 04:20 AM
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For those that live outside the city center (Manhattan/Brooklyn, Brickell, Vegas Strip, etc.), this won't work as often or at all. It's not all lost however. The next best thing is picking a place that is a 10 minute uber ride from you. Do your date as usual and when you go for the pull just mention you live 10 minutes away, you might have to offer a ride back depending the situation. Past that it's more of a coin toss. Either way if you plan going on 400+ dates, you're either paying in the fron…
/r/seduction03/06/25 12:15 AM
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Sure
/r/seduction30/05/25 10:30 PM
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This is one of the hardest questions to answer and I get you, lazy people say you're boring. It's even more confusing when you see some average guy who doesn't get approached by girls ends up getting them interested, so why would a girl who was initially interested in a guy just drop off like that? The real answer is you aren't boring, but there's a high chance your conversations don't have emotional spikes. This is something you see when a successful average guy or a PUA have in common, they're…
/r/seduction30/05/25 08:37 PM
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I've seen several of his videos, it's legit. He doesn't do game at all, they just come up to him and he asks them most plain boring questions. This is the full interaction if you want to see for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dihk9bH82Uw&t=1605s The caveat to all this is he's 6'8", women think he's an NBA player or some kind of famous influencer. He's in Miami so you're going to deal with the types that are into superficial and materialistic traits, but it would be insulting to someon…
/r/seduction25/05/25 06:43 PM
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I'm usually at the counter sitting beside her. Just tip the bartender they don't really care especially when it's a slow day.
/r/seduction24/05/25 07:54 PM
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I usually take girls who are sober to a pastrami shop, the sandwiches are too big for one person so I just have us split it and it comes down to me spending $15 on her. Then we go to a bar and I get us seltzer waters which can sometimes be free aside from throwing a tip. You still get the same effect of being at a dim lit bar with a good environment to seed for a pull.
/r/seduction24/05/25 07:34 PM
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These 3 videos and their channels helped me a lot: How to Dance at Weddings, Parties or Clubs (STEP-BY-STEP FOR MEN) (Brian B) How To Dance With Rhythm If You Can't Hear The Beat (LEARN FAST!) (Rich LaRuina) How To Get ANY Girl You Like On The Dance Floor (Monika Matys) What you're looking for doesn't really have a course because this is essentially dance moves for pickup, so you'll need to combine what you know about pickup and dancing to form some general idea of how to enjoy yourself in clubs…
/r/seduction19/05/25 01:23 PM
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Pretty much. This is kind of a lost art now. Most dating coaches are pushing day game heavily now. You can also do it without dancing, if you're going to talk just escalate with physical touch very quickly and talk into each other's ears. As a whole I would even say don't do any of this at all if you have bad logistics.
/r/seduction26/04/25 03:37 PM
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Numbers game is a simplified strategy of finding enough volume of girls in a place where a pull is likely. The problem with you can get tunnel vision by spam approaching and when taken to an extreme it's not solving for all the variables at play. You need to consider your own non-verbal behavior that makes her attracted to you, if she won't leave her friends, how far are you for a pull, if she's seeing someone, if she's a timewaster and just wants attention, if she's there for a specific reason …
/r/seduction06/04/25 05:56 PM
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Nobody can ever give the correct answer to this, so you're always going to get a shitty answer such as you're not viewing them as people. The real answer is it depends on what you did/didn't do an interaction and you're never going to know unless you have a friend observe you or you get good enough to read the situation. The most likely answer is people read a vibe from others when the interaction happens, they can find that vibe to be attractive/boring/creepy/frightening/standoffish/etc,. It's …
/r/seduction15/03/25 01:45 AM
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A girl I've been seeing for long term told me this. Considering how overly detailed your post was about the whole action, it's much more likely she's engaging in her own dating strategy after having some past experiences, rather than just being more conservative in her values. That is totally fine, everyone has their own values and dating strategies (knowingly or unknowingly) regardless of how optimal they are. It's usually better when it's transparent on both sides. The real issue here is the t…
/r/seduction27/02/25 10:08 PM
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I went end of last year, stayed in Brickell and hopped between South Beach. You can absolutely daygame here, but when you compare it to something like NYC, it's just harder due to the women you will encounter. Some can be influencers on social media, sugar babies, high maintenance women. The local resident women otherwise have been accustomed to being approached, so this isn't something new to them and may or may not be receptive to it. If you do decide to go there you have to decide where to st…
/r/seduction22/02/25 12:42 AM
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NYC except for the winter months. Miami is infested with influencers and women fatigued by PUAs endlessly cold approaching them, so you have to rely on tourists. NYC during the good months is easier to get around, aside from trains the citi bike program has electric bikes unlike Miami. It also has penty of daygame hubs as well as more diverse the types of girls (post-grad, ethnicities, tourists, alt types, etc.)
/r/seduction22/02/25 12:14 AM
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You can absolutely do low energy game, it just depends on the girl and the environment. The important detail is that you have to provide them a more fun valuable time than if they were alone by themselves or talking with their friends.
/r/seduction21/02/25 03:17 PM
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I would say it is true, not that it can be easily quantified. The issue is really that night game is about finding a girl that's attracted to you and problem solving all the road blocks. It is so many variables for the average guy to just do. On the flip side, people still go out and this naturally happens because both the guy and girl went to the same place with the intention of going home with one another. The problem is most guys never find that "yes" girl in that night, so it never happens u…
/r/seduction21/02/25 03:21 AM
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Having gone out for 3 years I've learned some important things. 99% of guys who go out do not pull. The ones that do understand logistics, apply different styles of game based on their environment, screening, proper escalation, knowing not to waste time, making their presence known, and being at the right place at the right time. I've gotten to the point where I have one club I can go to, and every night I go I will always get something. Not always a lay, but a pull, a makeout, or meetup the nex…
/r/seduction18/02/25 05:11 AM
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You can, it just gets harder. 35 seems to be a sweet spot as far as older age is concerned. I got one girl teasing me about my age as a concern because she was 23, but other than that I pulled 21 year olds without issue. I know one guy whose 44, he goes to those same clubs and pulls 21 year olds but he says his age is 35 so clearly it's a factor.
/r/seduction19/01/25 03:26 PM
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The ratios have been bad in the past couple of years. If you want to do successful club game your options are either go to exclusive paid clubs, or go to a city with a good club scene like Vegas. Even then the best quality of girls are typically invited to a table with free drinks and you have an uphill battle of winning them over. It can be done, it just takes work. What I recommend is: * Don't drink, just get seltzer water * Only pay for the cover or try to get cool with the bouncers so you ca…
/r/seduction08/12/24 07:42 PM
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Here's the problem. There has to be a dual goal involved. You have to enjoy yourself and enjoy the process, because if you don't you will express behavior that is either wanting to take from someone or unconfident. The flip side of that is when you go so far in that direction that nothing happens or you get caught up in making friends with a group and forget about the whole point you were there, and some guy who just showed up at 1AM makes a quick introduction and pulls right away leaving you ab…
/r/seduction10/11/24 05:15 PM
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Honestly winging is just not a good idea for people with different skill sets. Someone like that needs exposure by themselves doing the talking while you're there in the sidelines and spotting what they did wrong that can only be seen in third person. Give them an opener, get them to recall the entire interaction, and piece together what you saw from your eyes vs their experience, and get them to focus on enjoying the process to relieve the pressure.
/r/seduction21/10/24 01:31 AM
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Yeah night game unfortunately is a numbers game until you get good enough that you can focus on a handful a girls with solid confidence that they're really into you. You don't have to go that far (50 depends on where you are) but I wouldn't throw my eggs in one basket. Sadly there's a good chance you might have lost her because you reached what I call the "point of no return". It's when you've escalated all the way to the point where something could have happened and for some reason it didn't (b…
/r/seduction29/09/24 07:49 PM
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I do think that's a very aggressive goal to hit 50. Most night's i'll talk to maybe 8 but it's getting to that one yes that matters the most. I do think when they do say 50, it's not just the club. It's on the way there, standing in line, hopping a few places, being posted outside for a little bit to catch the passers by. I would also think the context in which city matters too. In vegas you can hit 50 easily, but each one should be intentional enough that you don't need to get to 50 in the firs…
/r/seduction29/09/24 07:44 PM
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So you got to pull the last girl but ran into some last minute resistance? Talking to girls until you found one that was willing to come over sounds like you did something right. Most guys spend the entire night talking to zero girls let alone bring one home. Your problem is you escalated too far before she was comfortable enough and didn't make for another opportunity until she was ready. If you think 3 is overkill, I don't know what you think when dating coaches say you should talk to 50 in on…
/r/seduction29/09/24 04:32 PM
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You can buy a drink if and only if she's shown and sustained interest in you. Buying one when she has the mindset of she owes you nothing is just disadvantageous. You have to get her to buy into the frame that she has to work for it. I just tell them it depends if they're a good girl, if they leave then you saved yourself some time.
/r/seduction29/09/24 12:32 AM
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Dating multiple girls and not having free time is not ideal. If you want to date multiple girls, fix that situation first. Two weeks out requires a lot of investment out of someone to remember they wanted to hang out with you and set aside time. If they bail then it won't be for another couple weeks. You'll have to do something like find a girl whose looking for something casual, or try to get a hook up in night game and if she enjoyed it she'll want to see you again. If you happen to get a more…
/r/seduction25/09/24 08:21 PM
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It doesn't hurt to learn it. The indirect ways it helps you is if you're in a club that happens to play it, a girl you're sealing the deal on happens to like it, it's likely a bonus with hispanic girls. It's also a very sensual dance you can escalate much more quickly. It's another tool in your game but getting the prize is all up to your own efforts.
/r/seduction24/09/24 10:51 PM
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I've had some luck just double tapping, talking into her ear and her doing the same, maintaining eye contact in between and kino until a makeout. You can move off into a more quiet area once you've established some investment with her. Don't really need to dance but it's another option. You'll get rejections but it's better than focusing on having fun to the point where nothing at all happens.
/r/seduction23/09/24 07:17 PM
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I've always taken that as a question of are we doing anything else other than going to a bar and drink. Usually when I get a question like that I just say we go do whatever activity at a given place. Most of the time I will just suggest drinks at a bar and if they pass I move on to another girl. Some girls just have no interest going on a regular date, so they ask what the plan is before agreeing to anything and pass if it's not exciting enough for them. The recent date I had asked this and I to…
/r/seduction18/09/24 01:43 PM
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You can talk to other girls so long as she's not in the sight to see it. Collect solid numbers, get more makeouts if you isolated from her friends and the last girl, or pull. If you just got numbers at the end of the night text them and see which is the most invested in wanting to go home with you and set up logistics.
/r/seduction05/09/24 04:25 AM
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You're in in NYC. There's tons of bisexual girls in Brooklyn just find one and be monogamish with her.
/r/seduction28/08/24 11:08 PM
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You need to determine whether or not she's looking to hang with her friend while you chaperone them or if she's receptive to flirtation. If it's the latter it's up to you if you think you'll vibe with both of them. I had two recent dates where they brought a friend or were in a group and closed both. The first one I brought her and her friend home, her friend stayed for a little bit to make sure I was cool and then went home while the girl spent the night with me.
/r/seduction28/08/24 01:20 PM
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Night game is not cut and dry because you need to read where the girl is at. Some girls you can talk to within 5-10 minutes and you can make out if you escalated properly. That gives you a far higher chance to actually pull her that night or have a solid number. If she's not receptive to escalation you got to move her around and build a deep connection if she's not up for doing anything same night. If she's out with friends try and pull her away from her friends for a little bit to somewhere mor…
/r/seduction28/08/24 12:53 AM
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You don't need to lie is what I mean, or really mention it depending on the situation. If a girl dates you while she's on vacation for example, sex is possibly on the table if the date goes well. At that point it's implied that it's a hookup because we both know she's leaving after a few days. A girl moving out of state or studying abroad for a short period is another example. That's what I mean by not having a need to be up front and say "hookups only". Going on vacation yourself would work as …
/r/seduction27/08/24 09:20 PM
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Optimizing for hookups means you need to have a solid screening process. Honesty and upfront can work, with a solid screening process you won't need to do this. If you look for girls on vacation, out in the clubs, in open relationships, just left a relationship, or ones that are not mentioning anything long term in what they're looking for it's a pretty good chance. Apps are definitely good for hookups, but I recommend being more forward and sexually assertive in the apps so they can choose to a…
/r/seduction27/08/24 08:17 PM
3

Not going to lie, of all the types of game night game is a lot of work. I say this because you need to find venues that have girls, you have so many variables for interruption when talking to someone, you need to match their energy levels which can be hard for some, and then you need to problem solve for how to get them to your place. There are some behavior shifts that you need to make for night game to work. Like knowing how to talk to a girl in a loud environment and getting better at kino es…
/r/seduction26/08/24 01:29 PM
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There's something missing to this, all of it is conditional. You wouldn't want to leave if you can escalate to a pull because that is the higest point it could have been. The better answer is for every short interaction, go for the highest investment you can get. If it's a pull, go for that. If it's a makeout and a number, go for that. If it's a number then take what you can get. The situations where you do want to leave is if you're in a large venue, you're going to be there for hours and you'r…
/r/seduction24/08/24 04:54 PM
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Apps
/r/seduction21/08/24 08:14 PM
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I've had hundreds of dates on apps and a majority of them were closes. As for IRL approaching, only about 2-3 and I've been doing this for about 3 years now. The reality is most of game is that initial investment the girl has for you and overcoming so many variables to get her to like you. The apps cover so many parts of an interaction that require game that you can have a completely different experience between the two. From the start if she matched with you, that's some investment. You know sh…
/r/seduction21/08/24 03:00 PM
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Terrible, this also goes for singles events. I've been to one because a friend likes them and wanted to go, but it's what you expect. Attractive women both in looks and personality have zero need to attend these events let alone pay for them. They can be picked up in bars, social circles, social clubs, apps, on the street.
/r/seduction14/08/24 12:16 PM
2

What are your thoughts on Atmosphere Girls (Girls that are paid through gifts or money to attend to make the club look more lively)? How prevalent is it in the night club scene? I would say that alone is a scam if most of the attractive girls in a venue are not approachable, giving you the illusion that you can run volume.
/r/seduction07/08/24 07:02 PM
2

There's several ways to get threesomes. If you are trying to do it strictly through gaming, it can totally happen, but good luck having all the stars aligned. There's so many variables at play like finding pairs of girls that are: both single willing to share in a non-bi context (There's best friends that are prudes and would never do anything sexual next to each other, and best friends that would do anything together) both like you manage to run through a full set without them wanting you to fi…
/r/seduction06/08/24 03:11 PM
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Judging by the comments here. You lack confidence. It's evidenced by the questions you're asking. The answer is you have work to do. We can't pinpoint your issues because you might not even know the ones you're unaware of. What I can say is a guy lacks confidence when they do the following: * Something you do when they see you turns them off. You have bad eye contact, bad posture, bad vocal tonality, you speak very fast, you shift around too much. * You don't take action with enough confidence, …
/r/seduction29/07/24 04:15 AM
1

There's a whole economy in nightlife that revolves around this. Promoters, DJs, Rich guys, Sugar Daddys etc. offer them free entry, line skipping, backstage access, drinks, sometimes money and other things to entice them to go to exclusive places. VIP Hosts are hired for this specific reason, they scout for women to invite and accommodate the rich guy they're hosting. This encourages guys who go to clubs to come in and pay for entry and expensive drinks, all the while the 10s didn't even lift a …
/r/seduction25/07/24 08:47 PM
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In theory that could be to your advantage. Up to you, but people typically date within their social/work circles. Your options depend on what you're willing to do. If you're ok with dating co-workers (bottle girls) that's one option. The other option is getting in with VIPs or other 10s and letting them invite you to other parties into their circle where there would be an available girl.
/r/seduction24/07/24 03:25 PM
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Access is the other issue. Most guys here won't be in the vicinity of a 10. Sure you can find them on the street but elsewhere they're behind tables, backstage/vip areas, invited to private parties, sugaring sites. The best the average guy can do here is pick off the excesses of the vip tables in clubs while the promoter is too busy with the girls around him.
/r/seduction24/07/24 03:01 PM
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How did you get around to dating these girls, day game? I can't imagine getting them from the apps since all they do is plug insta/links in their bio and say talk there. I've dated influencers before but only at the level where they still needed a day job.
/r/seduction08/07/24 02:38 PM
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Phone numbers don't mean much these days, and if its not a number its an IG which is even worse. You can have a girl be very receptive and not message back because her emotions changed from the time she met you. I wouldn't worry about success rate unless the effort you're putting in is not worth the output you get.
/r/seduction06/07/24 03:43 PM
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Agreed on all points, however I still recommend night game under specific conditions: You have nothing better to do that night. You want to improve your game with women who you haven't met yet. The upfront investment you get from meeting a date from an app is understated, it takes a lot of skill to get investment with someone who has a bunch of distractions and variables in nightgame. You live in Vegas. There's something to be said about being in a club where most of the women are there on vacat…
/r/seduction15/06/24 07:05 PM
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I've often found dates where the woman lets you pick the place are more chill. I also do "dinner" dates if they don't want to drink, but the places I suggest cost as much as drinks and if we end up sitting across I take her somewhere else after so we can side by the side. You want to differentiate women who are either sober or like good tasting food from the woman who care about the price of the food, you'll have a better time with the former anyway. I ended up having a non-alcoholic date with o…
/r/seduction13/06/24 09:57 PM
2

No, be yourself is advice made by people who have no introspection. Most people live routine lives and do not think about how they think or why they do the things they do. It's advice only meant to say don't fake being who you are, because if they are being themselves and have results, you should too. What if the person you are is an asshole? The most asinine response I've seen to this is you should just find another asshole and be assholes together. It's mind boggling the lengths people will go…
/r/seduction07/06/24 12:25 PM
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The truth of the matter is, some people are terrible at learning and reflecting from failure. This is hard because there's so many reasons you could have screwed up a set, and honestly no one will be able to give you the exact answer why because even the field reports you give may miss something you don't even recognize you're doing. This is why some people hire dating coaches. I'm not saying that's the solution, but you need to have some sort of process that helps you push through failure by un…
/r/seduction05/06/24 01:33 AM
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This is something that just happens. Approaches have no filter for if they're taken, not attracted to you, would be attracted but not the right setting for them, etc. I've been having a streak of approaching girls I'm attracted to and getting blown out on the open but at the same time having girls I'm not interested in at all give me indicators of interest. The answer is to detach any expectations of outcome and enjoy the process whether you did well or not. You had successful approaches, you ca…
/r/seduction02/06/24 03:21 PM
1

The answer is simple. Don't publicize your relationship status, don't mention it in your dating profile bios or out on dates, and tell the truth when the girl asks. If the girls you're seeking aren't in open relationships themselves, find women on vacation, through night game, etc. There's a stigma around being married man in an open relationship, so much to the point that most women, even non-monogamous would pass on you thinking you're the type that can't attract women and your wife is the one…
/r/seduction23/05/24 04:51 PM
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I know it's a half joke at least, but actually don't go to the bathroom. If you're going to approach you should have gone before and the only time you should is right after you brought her home or in between other sets. If you're going to get drinks, bring the girl with you. There's no reason to isolate the girl because you're creating a rare situation where she's by herself for a moment with no one to talk to. Of course guys are going to come in talk to her, that's way easier than approaching a…
/r/seduction18/05/24 02:07 PM
2

Logistics will be the most expensive thing to take care of if you haven't figured that out. Plan a date at a place near you. If not because its too far for her, find a place that's easy for her to get to and a 10 min drive to your place. Simply having drinks at a bar should do the trick. In some cases you might get a girl who tells you she doesn't drink. You have some options. They'll typically have a smaller appetite so you can order some food and split it, or you can see if she's up for having…
/r/seduction14/05/24 07:26 PM
3

The problem is escalation. If you're not seated closely, flirting, touching, having good eye contact, getting her to ignore everything around her and focus on the conversation, you're going to be less likely to have a second date. It's hard to escalate because you don't know what level of comfort the girl you're dating is at, so what you need to do is be able to identify the signals that she's ok with what you're doing. Red/Yellow/Green light is a mental model you can use for this. Start off wit…
/r/seduction04/05/24 03:37 PM
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It's a different skill and in OLD you get so much more of a leg up because she's more invested when you first meet her vs approaching her at random. On top of that cold approach is like using tinder with no filters for age, location, relationship status, or dating intentions. The skills you need to learn are: * Unlearning any unattractive mannerisms make first impressions as good as possible (bad eye contact, posture, pitch in your voice, poor presence) * How to keep yourself entertained and pul…
/r/seduction02/05/24 05:07 PM
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This so far sounds like the least significant issue about a date if I've ever heard one. You're having hang ups about a one night stand with a girl who was there on vacation. Chances are she was on the app for a nice date and sleep with someone if it went well as a night cap to her vacation. You didn't date a local girl with any expectations she would be seeing you regularly, you didn't lie to her in any way, you didn't create a situationship, you didn't even pick this girl up at a club and do a…
/r/seduction22/04/24 02:01 PM
2

Then it sounds like they weren't into your friend. The way I see it your friend could abandon the set without any hard feelings and you could try to pull them both if you've escalated enough while he would look for a different pair to approach. Sometimes its easier to do a set by yourself depending on the circumstances. Wing game takes practice to find a good flow.
/r/seduction06/04/24 05:55 PM
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Sounds like bad wing game and lack of escalation to me. Her friend didn't like your friend enough to at least be distracted by him even if she wasn't interested. You guys didn't even open them first so now any hesitancy will be seen as lack of assertiveness because she feels like you're too afraid to make any moves. The friend didn't do well with the second girl either, that should have been a dead giveaway. Anything happening past that such as making out and dancing with other guys is just the …
/r/seduction06/04/24 05:29 PM
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I wouldn't recommend it if you're not advanced. You could get approach anxiety your entire trip and waste money or you can run through a bunch of sets and get nowhere due to lack of experience. Just open up pairs in venues you know has women and focus on one girl until you've actually pulled a single one a few times so you can get better idea of seeing signs that both girls would be up for it. As far as wings go I would categorize it like this: Wing Girl > Guy Wing that knows what they're doing …
/r/seduction02/04/24 03:50 AM
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Difficult. You pretty much have to open pairs as usual, but now there's a bunch of other variables since that's the goal: They're not prudes but they could never see themselves doing something together with close friends One already has a boyfriend One of them isn't into you or backs off the moment her friend likes you more Other guys if confident will try to AMOG the set or worse become a shitty wing you never wanted They could be related, so the set now becomes picking one in a pair The venue …
/r/seduction02/04/24 03:31 AM
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Intimidating? No. Incompatible values? Possibly. Having dated high net worth women and being someone high net worth you would think it's a good match, but I tend to see people in the high net worth category fall into materialism. I'm not entirely against living a little, but I just don't find it very likely that a career oriented woman who has a high ranking position or owns her own business is going to give up a standard of high end restaurants, exotic/extravagant vacations, luxurious living. I…
/r/seduction27/12/23 02:24 PM
2

I don't trust his content entirely like I stated above but he does teach the importance of having the right energy to approach in night game. None of the coaches I've seen even focus on it and I end up seeing guys approaching women in an autistic uncalibrated manner and then wonder why they're not getting results.
/r/seduction01/12/23 09:30 PM
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Text Game - Playing With Fire. His 2.0 online dating blueprint covers almost everything you need to know. He's also got an AI GPT like text assist app coming out soon. For Day Game/Night Game it depending on your needs, there's a handful of dating coaches. I'll categorize them by their strengths: Todd V - He's very technical in his game so there's a lot you can understand if you actually put it into practice. He's pretty good a figuring out a girl's blueprint/archetype and gaming from that angle…
/r/seduction01/12/23 05:46 PM
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Well said. Pulling out of night club is a spur of the moment thing for the girl, if you're getting a number it's most likely a weak number unless she responds back in a few min. If you're not living anywhere near the venue then that's a whole other problem. It's even more hilarious that the good PUAs don't even dance and they pull like crazy.
/r/seduction27/07/23 12:37 PM
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This is the exact advice I've gotten from dating coaches who do Bilzerian/Female wing game, just get into exclusive events. Having lived here all my life and never going to exclusive parties I have to say going to dive bars or lounges are really hit or miss. Sometimes the ratio sucks, lots of mixed groups with people just closed off. If you don't live in manhattan pulling is a little harder even with uber since some girls won't leave the borough. I feel like the Spring/Summer 2021 when the vacci…
/r/seduction10/05/23 01:10 PM
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