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Crashlands/r/seduction04/03/18 06:12 PM
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Crashlands/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:32 PM
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Crashlands/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 02:48 PM
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Crashlands/r/seduction14/02/16 06:42 AM
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Crashlands/r/seduction09/08/18 11:14 PM
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About to go on a year. We’ve lived together for 5 months, long enough for the honeymoon phase to wear off. We know everything about each other, so it’s not like we’re still figuring each other out at this point. She’s a return-to college sophomore - 24 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 02:47 AM
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It’s possible he’s unlucky, but it’s also possible that he’s not being the best version of himself. There’s more to it than just vulnerability, don’t mistake my earlier point. I don’t think attraction works exactly how TRP sees it, but there is some truth in their premise for attraction. There’s also a lot of things they get wrong about attraction, too, but there’s some truth behind their points as well. Something else I’d say - maybe the guys getting it right out the gate are lucky. But maybe t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 10:51 PM
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“You’re in the honeymoon phase of a relationship” How long have I been with her? Since you seem to know exactly what the dynamic of my relationship, go ahead and tell me exactly how long I’ve been in a relationship with my girlfriend so you know exactly what phase I’m in. The problem with TRP is it doesn’t explain comfort building. You know how many posts show up here literally telling men to never be vulnerable?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 05:31 PM
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Connection is not the same thing as attraction. Connection without attraction is friend zone. Attraction without connection sometimes leads to fuck buddies but usually still requires at least some connection (with the exception of extremely insecure, validation-seeking women...whom I’m referring to as dumb party girls) TRPs biggest flaw is the inability to acknowledge comfort building. You just try and pump attraction, and that always gets stale to every woman you ever meet. My girlfriend is gor…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 04:56 PM
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TRP it up. Act like a cocky douche, never be vulnerable enough to truly connect. Sleep with dumb party girls who are the only people dumb enough to fall for that shit. Get bitter towards all women as the ones that do become interested in you eventually leave when they realize that you are incapable of true connection. Blame women for being shallow, assume they left because they’re sluts who just want another chad dick. You probably were too nice or texted them back too fast. Yeah, that’s why the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 04:07 PM
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“Unless there is a strong connection there” That’s the point
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 08:47 AM
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The actual content of the thread is making a good point, but OP, if somebody ever asked me if they could work in, and I said no, and then they started removing my weights on my squat rack, we would absolutely be fighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 11:22 AM
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It’s an excuse. She’s not attracted to you bro. You do to her vagina what a puppy being murdered in a blender does to her vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 05:50 PM
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I got news for you. Rejection is part of life. If this is the last time you ever get rejected, then you are failing miserably. That’s the reality of how things work. You put forth effort and got rejected? So what? Welcome to the club. Everybody gets rejected. I am currently with an awesome girl who I love deeply. You know how much rejection I faced to get there? Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team. Until yesterday, Tiger Woods hasn’t won a Masters tournament since 2008. E…
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 03:11 PM
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I’m gonna be hard on you here man. You know what you sound like? “Waaaaaaah I got rejected by one girl, and now I am going to be a toxic dick because my fragile little ego can’t handle rejection. I’m so fragile and weak minded that I’m going to blame an entire gender for one rejection because I don’t want to accept the fact that maybe I could improve, or maybe I just haven’t yet figured out that sometimes people just don’t click and there’s nothing I can do about it.” Read “Models” by Mark Manso…
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 02:33 PM
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Quality women aren’t having babies with the criminals. The chicks getting knocked up by criminals are usually trashy chicks. The hottest chicks I know that are also really smart and educated generallly don’t want kids at all...which is definitely a problem of its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 05:15 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:12 AM
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It’s ironic because calling something intellectually lazy saying nothing else is insanely intellectually lazy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:40 AM
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1 - why is it that every TRP dude complaining about how difficult dating is for guys also claims to be drowning in pussy? You know what? I don’t believe you. A high value guy doesn’t need to convince others that he’s high value, and a high value guy isn’t spending time complaining about how shit the dating market is. You think Ryan Gosling has ever complained about how awful women are for their unrealistic SMV expectations? I could be wrong, and there’s no way for me to know either way, but self…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 10:10 PM
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Nothing destroyed the dating market. Plenty of people out there date and are perfectly happy. If you’re not a part of it, it’s probably because you’re sitting around analyzing the shit out of everything and coming up with all of these gender rules instead of just being a normal guy who puts himself out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 09:01 PM
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The real question is, who cares? If you’re a human being on this planet, you deserve basic rights and respect.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/19 12:50 PM
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A lot of us already do. I wear clothing that fits me really well and gel my hair, brush it, etc. I also practice good posture,, which not only makes me seem taller, but more confident and assertive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 12:05 PM
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I agree with you, to be honest. 100%. I do tend to be more in the blue side if the pill, but I do think when it comes to attraction and explaining what they like, women do a horrible job of explaining what they want. That said, no matter what, it’s up to the individual to take responsibility for that lack of good information and figure it out themselves. Doesn’t mean women don’t deserve criticism for explaining it all wrong...they do, but if Bob is struggling with women, focusing on female failu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:21 PM
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I understand what they’re feeling because I’ve been there before. I’ve been burned hard by women after confessing my love or discussing an insecurity. And I adopted the same mindset - never ever be vulnerable because women only like emotionless men who are total dickheads. But after learning a lot more, I’ve come to understand that vulnerability can come from a place of strength, and what most men are doing when they’re communicating vulnerability is basically saying “waaaaaah I’m helpless” inst…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 09:35 PM
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Thank you for the clarification. I disagree, though. Men feel like being vulnerable will make them weak, but that’s only the case when the vulnerability comes from neediness. Non-needy, secure vulnerability is super necessary for connection, which is important for successful relationships. Great book: “Open Her” by Karen Brody. Has a lot in it that talks about the difference between needy emotional vomiting vs genuine vulnerability.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 09:25 PM
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Dude, I dont know how to make it easier to understand, but I don’t get why it’s so hard for you to get it. A guy accidentally bumps into you at a bar, do you say “no big deal bro” or do you punch him in the face? If you’re with your friends and you feel pressured to fight him because you feel like they’ll think you’re a pussy if you don’t, your behavior falls under the category of toxic masculinity. Masculinity isn’t a demographic. In theory, a woman could be toxically masculine, too. If a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 09:24 PM
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No, I’m just pointing out that the title says “study says” but then links to something that isn’t a study. If the title said “teacher says” or “professor claims” that that’s one thing, but this is a debate forum, and claiming something is a study is improper debate form.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 09:11 PM
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Lol what? Linking me to her faculty page doesn’t make this a study...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 09:07 PM
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Not all violence is toxic masculinity. You are talking a whole lot about something you don’t understand. It’s the psyche behind the violence. Somebody committing violence because they feel like it makes them more “manly” because our culture is pressuring them to feel like they need to be violent is toxic masculinity. Getting into a fight at a bar because you feel like it will increase your social status is toxic masculinity. Randomly going and punching somebody in the face isn’t. Let me correct …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 06:29 PM
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What behavior is toxic blackness? Being violent? That’s toxic masculinity, and other races do it too. If black people do it More, it just means they’re more subject to toxic masculinity Molesting children? You mean sexual harassment? That’s toxic masculinity. If it happens more with homosexuals against certain demographics, it could mean that homosexuals are more subject to toxic masculinity. By your logic, shooting up schools is “toxic whiteness”. It’s not. Toxic masculinity absolutely exists, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 05:48 PM
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Then cite the research. I didn’t see any studies in it. Just interviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 03:45 PM
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What? I don’t think you understand what toxic masculinity means. “Toxic blackness” doesn’t make sense because the crimes aren’t an exhibit of exaggerated “blackness”. What an absurd example. Toxic masculinity is describing exaggerated masculinity to the point where it’s causing harm to somebody (ie: sexual harassment motivated by wanting your buddies to see how manly you are)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 03:45 PM
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Lol what? I’m a feminist...I’ve never said that toxic feminist doesn’t exist. Just tell me...do you think Toxic masculinity exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 01:03 PM
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This isn’t a study. Did I miss something? Where’s the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 12:46 PM
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TRP: there’s no such thing as toxic masculinity Also TRP: it’s women’s fault that there’s toxic masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 12:43 PM
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What? I am saying something that applies to BOTH genders. You are the only common denominator in the partner pool you have experience with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 01:49 AM
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Yeah I think my comment still stands. Be genuine about how you feel, immediately. Always. If you like her, tell her as soon as you feel it. If you feel like she’s using you for validation, tell her, and then tell her that you won’t put up with it.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 09:05 PM
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Then call her out on it.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 08:29 PM
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Dude, you get friend zoned when you lack the balls to show intent. Accept that rejection is possible and actually go for it when you’re attracted to a woman. If she says no, either cut her out because you can’t handle the feelings you have for her or just be a genuine friend to her - female friends can be a good thing to have.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 07:58 PM
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It could be compatibility. It could be neediness. It all comes down to WHY you’re showing affection.
/r/ExRedPill27/03/19 04:04 AM
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The problem is that you are genuinely needy. The red pill teaches you to act like you’re not needy. It’s a band aid fix for an actual personality issue, and it’s treating the symptoms instead of the problem. I strongly recommend “Models” by Mark Manson. He’s an ex red pill guy, and this book is all about what he learned after leaving TRP. It is absolutely the best dating advice book you can possibly read.
/r/ExRedPill27/03/19 03:23 AM
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Fact: most people, women included, are aight. If you’re getting consistently burned, it’s your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 01:59 AM
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He has the right to end the relationship for any reason no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 01:02 AM
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Image matters more than looks
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 07:33 PM
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No, I don’t agree with his statement. I enjoy movies. I enjoy our companionship. Sex is a part of it, but not all of it. I watch movies with my guy friends, I don’t expect that to end in sex or future sex. There is no conscious or subconscious “trade” for sex. Honestly, she initiates more than me and has a higher libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 05:33 PM
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I absolutely agree with the last sentence. But the idea that the only reason why I enjoy watching movies with my gf is because it will end in sex is absurd. Sometimes, I don’t even want to have sex. There are times where I’ve had a long day and would genuinely prefer to just collapse and watch a movie over having sex with her. Our sex life is great, but I think that’s largely in part because I’m not trying to trade favors for sex. Sex isn’t something she lets me do in return for favors. It’s a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 12:55 PM
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Dude, that first part is a stretch. You are taking something simple and making it waaaaay overcomplicated in an attempt to make it fit in with your views. I like movies. I would be watching movies whether she was in my life or not. We both enjoy similar movies and shows. We like talking about the movies after the fact. Yes, we have sex..plenty of it, but our lives don’t revolve around it. Our motivations aren’t all subconsciously directed at it. Like when you play a game of monopoly with your mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 12:15 PM
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Dude, you’re just wrong. When I watch a movie with my gf, it’s not related to sex in any way. I’m not subconsciously hoping it will turn into sex. I want to watch a movie and I enjoy the company. You are projecting your own obsessions into everybody else. That’s all this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 11:38 AM
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1 year, we live together
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 11:36 AM
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Dude, you’re not happily married. You just have a legal binding to a sex object. If you only are interested in sex, there is nothing “happy” about your relationship, and your perception that what you have is all there is is just straight up wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 11:04 AM
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That last statement is false. My gf is my best friend. We work our together, do yoga together, do fun shut together, play video games together, etc. it’s not just “listening to her drama”. We’re friends who also are intimate. If you ever start getting laid on the reg, you’ll realize that it’s not as big of a deal as you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 10:30 AM
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I feel like copying and pasting this response to so many other responses ITT
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 10:24 AM
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Male, 29. I was a PUA for over a decade.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/19 01:35 AM
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It’s less like rejecting for sexual past and more like men rejecting women because of their breast size.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 11:59 AM
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If they like you outside of the bedroom, you’re not being used for sex. If all he’s interested in is ducking, but has no interest in interacting with you other than sex, you’re being used. If he enjoys no sexual activity, too, you’re not being used.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 01:09 AM
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Giving zero fucks about what anybody thinks of them isn’t the same thing as rule breaking, which is my point here though. Cops aren’t rule breakers. The common gripe on this forum is that drug dealers get all the pussy - that’s what I assume OP is talking about when he says “rule breaker”. And it’s not “some truth” in correlation vs causation. If you take any research methodology class or any science class that teaches the scientific method, critical thinking, or what constitutes empirical evide…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 09:52 PM
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Yes. Be vulnerable and accept that rejection is a part of it. Women/men who play games will next you. You will get hurt. But it is the fastest way to finding a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 10:00 AM
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Common misconception. You can be nice. Just don’t be approval seeking. If you want to do something nice for somebody because you genuinely like them, do it. Just look inside yourself and make sure you understand your motivations. If you’re doing it because you’re afraid they may not like you or reject you if you don’t, don’t do it. If you are trying to earn brownie points, don’t do it. Be nice because you want to. That’s it. Never be needy or approval seeking or validation seeking, but always be…
/r/seduction11/03/19 03:58 AM
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I’m not making a claim. I’m giving you a real life example of why your claim doesn’t work. The burden of proof is on you. If you don’t understand how debates work, you probably shouldn’t be on a debate forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:51 PM
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Rule breaking doesn’t automatically make you high status. A child molester, for example, is on the lowest of the totem pole. Rule breaking can make you high status within particular circles. For example, a heroin addict will be attracted to a heroin dealer...but neither one of them are actually high status people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:02 PM
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No, it’s not. Unless you have a source, it’s absolutely not. You’re literally just using anecdotal evidence that’s purely correlational, and now instead of countering my argument you’re dismissing it because you have nothing empirical to actually support your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 02:22 AM
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I don’t know. I don’t typically ask women who they’re attracted to. You are making an observation based on anecdotal evidence. Let me explain. If somebody who wanted to work to prevent drownings used your line of thinking, they would look at data and see that the more frequently ice cream is sold in an area, the more drownings occurred. They would then advocate to ban the sale of ice cream because ice cream causes drownings. They would be wrong, however. Just because ice cream sales increasing c…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 02:52 PM
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So what you’re saying is that you are 100% certain that it’s not a shared personality trait, but just different types of women? Do you have a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 12:52 PM
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So are doctors, too I’m guessing? And firefighters?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 11:44 AM
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High levels of thirst make you okay with not waiting. Desperation is incredibly unattractive. If you are high value and know that you could have sex any time you wanted to, you don’t mind waiting because you’re so accustomed to sex that it’s not a big desk to not have it for a few days/weeks. It’s so obvious when I’m interacting with people that just don’t get laid. You have some sex and you start to realize that it’s just not a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 11:42 AM
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But she doesn’t want the thirsty guys lined up for her. She wants the guy that is okay with waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 11:13 AM
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Why do so many red pill men draw causal conclusions from correlative data? Just because you frequently see women attracted to rule breakers doesn’t mean that rule breaking itself is attractive. How do you know that it’s not something else that has a relationship with rule breaking? Maybe...the personality of a man who breaks the rules is more likely to carry traits that are also attractive. There are a lot of women who find military and police officers incredibly attractive. I would argue that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 11:29 PM
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These silly generalizations man. Everybody is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 12:31 PM
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When you get access to a lot of sex, you start realizing that you don’t want it nearly as much as you think you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 06:51 PM
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What the other guy said. Needing something means you will not feel whole without having it. Wanting it means you desire it, but have the self confidence to understand that life goes on if you don’t have it. Think about it like this - if Ryan Gosling approaches a girl and gets rejected, do you think he cares? He may be bummed for a second, but Ryan Gosling knows he can have his choice of thousands of women, so why would he care if one woman rejected him? He still approaches her because she’s hot …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 03:37 PM
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What a silly response. You argue’d that it doesn’t exist at all, and that neediness is a made up term. First of all, anybody with an actual social life understands the neediness dynamic, and has dealt with needy friends, needy girlfriends/boyfriends, needy co-workers, etc. My point is that the concept of neediness is so very real that it exists even outside of the dating spectrum...but it obviously also exists within the dating spectrum as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 03:31 PM
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No it’s not. It’s very easy to be needy, and neediness can apply to waaaaay more than just romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 03:46 AM
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You’re not a romantic partner. You’re a friend. And be prepared to be moved into that category officially if you don’t fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 10:58 PM
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You are a man who goes for what he wants, but is also confident enough to know that his life is fulfilling even if he doesn’t get it. Basically, have the mindset of “I want her, but I don’t NEED her”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 10:55 PM
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It’s more that being desperate is extremely unattractive. Neediness and desperation is like the most unattractive thing a guy and do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 10:54 PM
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This whole idea that women only want relationships when they hit “the wall” is just so laughably false.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 12:50 PM
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They’re not complaining about attractiveness. They’re complaining about how attractive men treat them. Not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 02:55 AM
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Because women aren’t complaining about it. Fat neckbeardy chodes with no social skills think they deserve runway models and hate women for not liking them. You rarely see a fat chick complain about not getting attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 02:25 AM
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I didn’t say give no fucks. I said not basing your self esteem around it. NOTHING is less attractive than neediness. It is the ultimate lady boner killer. You have an extremely NEEDY attitude because you feel like you are incomplete without women. Your self esteem is based off of success with women, which means it’s automatically low because you’re failing st the only thing you care about. I was a virgin until I was 19. I’ve felt what you feel. But I also did BJJ all through high school, got ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 04:22 AM
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That doesn’t make it untrue
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 04:18 AM
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The ironic thing about that is that your obsession with being successful with women and popular is exactly why you aren’t successful and popular. People like interesting people. Interesting people are people who have cool hobbies, talents, good jobs, etc. You will never be happy until you change your perspective and attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 04:17 AM
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You think it’s impossible to have a good life if you’re not factually attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 04:12 AM
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Red pill boys like to grasp any straws they can. They look for data that supports their beliefs and ignore anything else. They accept correlational studies as causal, and basically look for anything to blame on their lack of success with women other than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 10:47 PM
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If your sense of self worth wasn’t so tied to your success with women, you also wouldn’t give a fuck about rejection. If your attitude is “my life is fucking awesome because I’m good at all of my hobbies and I love my living situation, my job, and my friends” you will be confident and attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 10:44 PM
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If you believe confidence doesn’t work because you “tried” confidence and it didn’t work out for you, it’s because you weren’t really confident. You were trying to fake confidence, which is almost always obvious. Masked insecurity is much, much worse than obvious insecurity. Confidence is developed. It’s not a behavior...it’s something that shows in all of your other behaviors, demeanors, and body language.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 10:41 PM
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Most popular doesn’t mean best.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 12:56 PM
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Two books - “Open Her” by Karen Brody and “Models” by Mark Manson. Both excellent, progressive dating guides for men that actually give much better info than red pill and PUA.
/r/ExRedPill18/02/19 12:03 PM
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You can tell when somebody just doesn’t interact with women. Young western women, if you actually talk to them and get to know them, feel just as insecure about themselves, their relationships, and their place in the world as western men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 01:44 PM
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I get the thinking behind it, but sometimes this is an example of people overthinking game instead of just letting interactions be natural and fluid.
/r/seduction12/02/19 09:17 PM
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Also, just keep in mind that not everybody will fuck you on the first date. If she doesn’t, don’t take it personally or rage at her. If the date went well, you can usually seal the deal on date number 2.
/r/seduction12/02/19 03:53 PM
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I was ignored in my teens and high school days. I got over it by accepting responsibility for it and becoming a better person who was more attractive. I took up BJJ and weightlifting and yoga. I started reading books and exploring different hobbies that made me a more interesting person. I explored all of my life’s interests instead of hiding behind a blanket of anxiety. I pursued women I was attracted to directly without any false pretenses and became much more of a risk taker in general. I fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 10:12 PM
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It’s not the virginity itself that bothers women. It’s the lack of social intuition, creepiness, lack of drive, etc that most involuntary male virgins carry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 02:17 PM
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I don’t believe you. I was a pretty fucking wild dude in college. Never saw a single orgy, and I probably had more casual sex than average during my college years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 02:15 PM
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You’re trying way too hard man. Please, just take a research methodology class before continuing to post here. There are plenty of ways to provide enough evidence to form an opinion on this subject. I’ve named a few within this chain of comments. You don’t understand what is considered acceptable evidence in social science and what’s considered inadequate evidence. You have no place on a debate forum with your current knowledge of how research methodology and critical thinking work. What you do …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 06:31 PM
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This is a debate forum. I’m not here to bother people. OP posted a study, and I’m refuting the study as lack of evidence to properly back up his point. That is like the most basic debate tactic in existence. Instead of countering my point by providing additional evidence or support of the study, you first introduced a straw man argument, and then essentially told me I’m annoying for correctly debating. I should ask you the same question - why are YOU here? Do you want to properly debate a topic …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 04:39 PM
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Dude, you can get angry all you want, but what I’m saying is very important. You CANNOT form a concrete conclusion from this study. That is irrefutable. It’s not particularly strong because it lacks repeats. It was submitted and discussed all throughout this thread as if it was sufficient evidence, and it’s not. I’m not trying to be helpful. I’m trying to tell you that nowhere in academia would this ever be accepted as a valid opinion based on this study alone, and anybody who has scored a D- or…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 04:33 PM
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I haven’t stated an opinion! Lmao why are you even trying dude. Please, quote the opinion I have stated in this thread. Holy shit bro. That’s all you gotta do. If I’m mistaken and did state an opinion, I’ll happily concede. But all I’ve done is comment on the lack of evidence to form an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 04:22 PM
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Where have I made a concrete opinion? Show me where I stared a concrete opinion. In quotations please.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 04:18 PM
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What am I speculating? I haven’t made any stance. I’ve just said that he does t have enough info to form a valid opinion. That’s not speciation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 04:16 PM
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No. But that’s kinda the point, right? You can’t form a concrete opinion on the current information we have. In this particular case though, I am especially questioning OP because I strongly doubt he even attempted to read the study. The whole thing was in German! Too many people form entire world views on insufficient evidence. In this case, it actually appears OP basically read a headline that aligns with his world views and ran with it without any attempt to actually research dissenting opini…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 03:43 PM
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Did tumor actually read the study? Or just the write up? The actual study is only correlational, wasn’t repeated, and everything beyond the abstract and acknowledgements is in German.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 01:37 PM
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You should read all of the comments under my post. The level of head buried in sand is so unreal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 01:53 PM
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You need to focus on developing self worth. This means working towards non-game goals. If all of your life’s effort is going into game, you’re going to have neediness and abundance problems because your success in game is the only foundation to your self esteem. You need 3 hobbies. One that improves/works towards wealth. One that improves/works towards health. One that improves/works towards creativity. Sometimes, two or three of those things can be combined (for example, an aspiring professiona…
/r/seduction07/02/19 04:35 PM
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You made no actual arguments. Some laughs, and you dropped a name instead of actually citing a source. Good luck living ya life bud. Feel free to have the last word. I know you need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 09:52 PM
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“Women adore men who cause harm to others” Man, imagine living life believing this. You got a source on that claim? You’re an incel. That’s all it is. Cool kids weren’t dumber than bricks. Most of the popular kids, at least at my high school, were in honors and AP classes. They just developed good social skills at a young age. You’re literally just bitter that you’ve never been liked or admired by any group of people except your incel club, and instead of accepting that it’s you who needs to cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 08:35 PM
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Saying “your concept is wrong” means it’s actually not wrong? You actually believe that’s how that works? Here’s the reality. You were “nice” to a girl in high school, but you were uninteresting because you weren’t popular, cool, good looking, etc. and did nothing but play video games during your free time. Because you were rejected, your ego instantly concluded that it was because you were nice to her that she rejected you, and you also concluded that she liked the guys who were jerks because o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 08:00 PM
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You do r understand what betaness is. What you think it is and what it actually is are two different things. The fact that you even use the word “chad” seriously tells me all I need to know
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 07:21 PM
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Bro I am living proof that you’re wrong. You are so obsessed with being right and protecting your ego that you literally are going to sabotage your chance at actually finding a food relationship over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 07:19 PM
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Dude, you are 100% wrong. I’m telling you with the certainty of somebody who did PUA/TRP for over 10 years that you are not only wrong, but you’re going to waste a lot of your young youth with the mindset you have. It’s not as black and white as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 07:09 PM
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Dude, you don’t have to be a mind reader. It’s the same thing as a guy kissing his boss’ ass because he wants a promotion. It’s usually just obvious when somebody is a weak kiss ass as opposed to a genuine person. Human beings have evolved to understand sub-communication like vocal tonality and body language, and women are naturally better at reading them than men. And just so that we’re clear, you make it out to be say more common than it is for women to be dating abusive cheaters. Do you know …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 06:23 PM
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No they’re not, and people can tell when you’re being a kiss ass vs being genuine. It’s actually really obvious to anybody with any sense of social intuition.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:55 PM
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No, the difference is the motivation behind the niceness. If you do something kind because you want somebody to like you, you’re being weak...you’re essentially communicating “I don’t think you’ll like me for who I am because I don’t think I have any redeemable qualities, so let me kiss your ass in hopes that you’ll accept me.” Be nice because you feel like it, because you genuinely want to see somebody happy/help somebody out, or because the person deserves a favor. The moment it becomes approv…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 11:09 PM
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You came to the wrong sub for that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 03:29 PM
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I don’t think turning down somebody because you’re not attracted to them is a problem. Win a huge dick about it is definitely uncool though. The dude could have been a lot more tactful about how he said that. He clearly did t give a fuck about hurting somebody, and that makes him an arrogant, psychopath if asshole for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 09:04 PM
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This is a classic case of “I understand what, but not why” It’s not about the hobbies themselves. It’s about living life true to yourself,m and taking initiative to do what you want in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 12:45 AM
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Sorry, I’m on mobile and don’t know how to use the quote feature, so l have to stick with annoying bullet points. 1 - I understand that it uses the phrase “traditional masculinity”, which may be confusing to readers, but it does define traditional masculinity by listing behaviors as examples. You have to go by their definition, not their phrasing. The APA is not saying that masculinity itself is bad, but rather that extreme, radicalized versions of it is. 2 - feminists don’t think those traits a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:24 PM
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APA never said “masculinity” is a bad thing. It said that traditional masculinity, which it then defines as a multitude of toxic behaviors, are bad. Feminists don’t then being strong is bad. They don’t think being competitive is bad. They don’t think being independent is bad. You’re literally fabricating things. They think catcalling is bad. They think being aggressively sexual when somebody is clearly uncomfortable is bad. They think that picking fights at bars is bad. Hyper aggression is bad. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 02:14 AM
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Man it’s like you want the world to be against you. Look at the behaviors they’re actually referring to - excessive drinking/drug use, violence, refusal to seek mental health. The context here clearly is defining “traditional masculinity” as basically Saudi Arabia masculinity. No feminist has an issue with healthy masculinity. Confidence, protection of loved ones, standing up for what you believe in, internal validation, etc are all very cherished masculine traits by the feminist community.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 12:37 AM
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“Traditional masculinity” is not “all masculinity”. There is no feminist who thinks that standing up for what you believe in and protecting loved ones and being decisive and confident are a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 12:26 AM
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Do you have a link where the APA calls masculinity a disorder?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 03:55 AM
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*sigh Standing up for yourself isn’t toxic masculinity. Establishing and enforcing your personal boundaries isn’t toxic masculinity. Refusing to let women treat you like a door mat isn’t toxic masculinity. Being the bully is toxic masculinity. Picking fights at bars and stepping on people’s boundaries is toxic. Refusing to take no for an answer in a sexual encounter is toxic masculinity. Why is it so difficult to understand that toxic masculinity is not referring to all masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 02:50 AM
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Flirted with, sure. But what OP is taking about is specifically women approaching men the way that men could approach women. That shit like never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 05:00 PM
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If you’re going to shitpost, at least make it original
/r/seduction27/01/19 12:59 AM
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That’s the point
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 07:45 PM
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I’m not trying to project anything dude. You’re just seeing something happen and making a blanket assumption about it instead of trying to understand it, which is exactly what I’m condemning TRP for. I didn’t say any of those things to project an image. I said those things because I wanted to explain to the guy I was responding to that his experience and my experience don’t match up. Chilllllllllllll good lord
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 10:23 PM
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What did I say that got it into your head that I care what strangers think? And what does my reply speed have to do with anything? I’m on reddit, I’m replying. If I’m doing something else, I’ll reply slower...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 09:57 PM
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If somebody’s name was “NickCrystalMeth”, nobody would think I’m an idiot for assuming they’re a meth head. This is no different. But holy shit, how often are you arguing on the internet that you needed to set up your bio like that? Holy shit dude, go outside
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 09:46 PM
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Thanks, guy whose username is named after an opiate. I’ll make sure to take advice from you about any character flaws I may have.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 09:43 PM
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Maybe not. I’ve been told I’m a good looking guy, but maybe not. That doesn’t change the fact that OP has no idea why they were actually approaching this guy (assuming it’s not a made up story in the first place). Attractive or not, I’m experienced with women. I’ve had my fair share of casual sex, and I have a girlfriend right now who, in my opinion, is the most beautiful woman on the damn planet. Every experience I’ve ever had with women has been me approaching them or me making all the moves o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 09:42 PM
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Maybe you’re right...but my point is that you don’t know. There are infinite number of reasons why they could have approached him. My personal experience is very much the opposite of yours. I don’t form hard conclusions about my experience either, but everything I’ve seen points to “the guy who is popular with a lot of friends gets the girl, but he still has to do the approaching and make all of the moves.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 09:10 PM
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It’s not that what they say isn’t what they believe - I think it’s just been poorly communicated. For example, when women say “I want a nice guy who treats me right” they mean that. They just also still want the guy to have attractive qualities. Men hear women say that they want a nice guy and think that all they need to do is be nice to her and they’ll get laid, which is a really dumb assumption to make. Everybody wants to be attracted to their sexual partners. Develop an attractive outlook and…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 08:56 PM
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I’m a pretty good looking guy. I was a low level pro MMA fighter in college, which gave me status. I had an insanely attractive body, and a decently good looking face. Never was once approached by a woman, even at swimming pools and beaches where I should have been slaying. This is why TRP bothers me so much. You see something happen and form a decisive, unchangeable conclusion based solely off of personal experience. You don’t know why women approached him. Maybe they were drunk and stupid. May…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 08:52 PM
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Came to say this
/r/ExRedPill24/01/19 02:41 PM
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You are wrong, but for the wrong reasons. Hobbies make you a more interesting person with more life experience, more things to talk about, and more knowledge about different topics. The absolute worst thing you could ever do is have nothing going on in your life. Once again, I am speaking from a decade of experience in PUA.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 03:33 PM
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TRP overthinks the shit out of it, and it will hurt you more than help you after a certain point. The fact that TRP believes that being nice is a bad thing is a perfect example of this. You can be a nice person and also be interesting, or you can be a placating, approval seeking dweeb who is boring. TRP says don’t be nice at all, and that is just plain incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 06:24 PM
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““Women get bored easily. Nothing more boring than a nice guy.” You know why someone who gets hit with telemarketers a lot doesn’t give them the time of day? Because they all say the exact same things. Nice isn’t boring. Nice isn’t interesting. Boring is boring. Interesting is interesting. You can be nice and do both. For example - if I message a girl and say “you’re cute”, it’s boring because she has 100 other messages saying the same thing. Why should she, who is trying to maximize her time ef…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 02:09 PM
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That’s true, but he cheated. Idk man, I feel like cheating to end a marriage constitutes different moral terms than falling out of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 02:04 PM
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Idk my gf is always down whenever and initiates more than I do. Different people have different sex drives, but if sex is giving her all the power, you put too much value on sex. Stop being thirsty. If she doesn’t have a compatible sex drive, either talk about juror find another girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 04:17 PM
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Fact: OP wasn’t cool in high school, and felt like everybody who wasn’t him that got pussy was an asshole. Now he’s bitter towards women for wanting to fuck guys cooler than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:04 PM
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You’re not obligated to have sex with somebody if you don’t want to. Nobody should have to have a duty sex clause in their relationship. If the two people have sex drives so massively different from each other that they can’t both find a happy frequency, they’re better off not being in a relationship. If she stops having sex because she’s less attracted to you, that’s either a problem with him or a problem with her, and they both need to talk about it and address it. That’s it. That’s all there …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 10:51 PM
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Check out the book “The Subtle Art if Not Giving a Fuck” by Mark Manson.
/r/seduction05/01/19 07:04 PM
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This is not how debate works dude. Once you take an introductory science class in college or debate class in college you’ll understand what I’m talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 02:47 PM
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Learning the importance of vulnerability and understanding how much better of results I got in game by takings more connection-focused mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 12:51 PM
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The entire scientific and debate community just cringed at this post
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:24 PM
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Can you cite some sources that show that women prefer sexism?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:27 PM
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“Models” by Mark Manson is a very feminist-friendly, but still realistic and good dating advice book. “OPEN her” by Karen Brody is also really good.
/r/ExRedPill30/12/18 10:10 PM
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No it’s not man normal people get laid all the time. 99% of all casual sex in the world is done by normal ass, non-TRP people.
/r/ExRedPill30/12/18 03:14 AM
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Sex is so much more complicated than that. What if she’s lost her attraction to him? Should she be forced to have sex with him even if he’s not the same guy she first started dating? What if you were dating a chick, and after 2 years she suddenly put on 200 lbs? Are you still obliged to fuck her?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 05:08 PM
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What? I want sex too, probably just as much as you, maybe more. I have quite a high sex drive, and me and my gf have sex 2-3 times a day when we see each other. The difference is that I still also care about other things, and am totally fine watching a movie or doing something else instead of sex because I don’t need the “I can have sex if I want to “ validation that you guys seem to need.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 01:46 PM
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Sex is very important in a relationship, and it’s important enough that breaking up over it is totally justified. I’m more referring the high school teenage boy mindset of sex obsession.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 01:44 PM
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I think that’s a little different from what I mean. Sex as a hobby isn’t the same as sex for validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 01:43 PM
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Nah dude. Liking sex is fine. Attempting to have sex with somebody you’re attracted to is totally normal. Sex being your primary priority in life over any other goals is not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 01:42 PM
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You can have casual sex without being misleading or having a shitty attitude towards other people.
/r/ExRedPill29/12/18 01:12 PM
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If you’re only having sex or only fulfilling somebody’s emotional needs because you feel like it’s your “duty”, you’re in the wrong relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 12:46 PM
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You know how I can tell all yo my TRPers are either virgins or get laid VERY infrequently? You prioritize sex so much. People who actually get laid don’t care about sex or talk about sex or prioritize sex nearly as much as you guys do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 02:36 PM
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There's maybe a tiny bit of truth to it, but it's waaaaay overexaggerated by bitter TRPers. ​ Yes, everybody is more physically attractive when they're younger. Yes, it's harder to conceive children in your 30s. But no, women don't suddenly get ugly and unattractive when they hit 30. There are some sexy ass 30 year old women. No, women's vaginas don't suddenly become nasty loose messes when they're 30. And no, not all, or even most women want to just fuck around with as many partenrs as possible…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:24 PM
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Two books I recommend: 1 - “Open Her” by Karen Brody. 2 - “Models” by Mark Manson Read those two books and you don’t need any more PUA material ever again.
/r/seduction25/12/18 05:20 PM
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Absolutely not true. You showed vulnerability and she left, but it wasn’t the fact that you showed vulnerability. It was either how you showed it (neediness, insecurity), or when you finally showed who you really were, she realized that you two just weren’t compatible. I’ve been doing this shit for 13 years. I missed opportunities for great relationships because I used to have the same mindset that you do. Vulnerability is not a bad thing. Neediness is. If all you ever do is shower her with love…
/r/seduction25/12/18 03:26 PM
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Listen my dude, you’re making a classic mistake. Don’t stay in attraction mode forever. The tricks of attraction are for building attraction. After that, just be real. Still do attractive things, but not be afraid to be vulnerable, tell her how you feel about her, etc.
/r/seduction25/12/18 03:10 PM
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They would reject less often.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 12:25 AM
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It validates part of it. Being a confident leader is definitely the best way to be attractive. But where we differ is how we define what an “alpha male” truly is. TRP thinks it’s an aggressive, controlling douchebag. In reality, it’s a nice, thoughtful dude who also pursues what he wants in life and stands up for what he believes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 05:38 PM
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Red Pill thinks you neee to be this super dominant man, but really, just be a chill, fun, friendly dude who happens to not let people walk all over him. This is one of the many things Red Pill screws up. Yes, being a total pussy is a bad thing, but that doesn’t mean you can’t be a legitimately good person. Just stand up for yourself and what you believe in when necessary and be normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 03:01 PM
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“I don’t care how good monogamy can be, if this is a possible result, it’s not for me” That’s definitely a shit attitude my dude. Could you imagine if I was like “I don’t care how awesome driving a car could be, if dying by being burned alive is a possibility, count me out.” In life, everything is a risk. Successful people are the ones that take risks. The true meaning of alpha isn’t dominant. It’s being willing to pursue what you truly want in spite of risks. A real masculine ass man pursues a …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:52 AM
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Vulnerability is an important part of connection. If you tell her because you want to be vulnerable and help her understand that you used to have toxic feelings because of depression, but you basically stepped up your game and became a better person, I think it’s a good thing. Timing is important though. Tell her when there’s enough trust and connection already that you know she will understand you.
/r/ExRedPill18/12/18 02:29 PM
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You can show a woman love. Just show her love because you feel like showing her love, not because you want her to like you. When your motivation is approval-seeking, it’s unattractive. If it’s genuine, it’s attractive.
/r/seduction18/12/18 02:41 AM
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Whatever you want man. When you are happy with your life, the direction it’s going, you’re working towards something, and you have some passion in life, you’re going to get pussy, and it’s going to be women that you’re attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:47 AM
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No, having a drive is still important. Being happy and accepting of yourself combined with having the initiative and drive to go for what you want in life leads to pussy for anybody who really wants it and goes for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:30 AM
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I still stand by my statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:18 PM
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Correlation does not equal causation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:36 PM
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Someone who was internally validated wouldn’t be an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:33 PM
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It’s not real emotional interest. If you’re showing emotional interest that you don’t feel, you’re being ingenuine because you feel like that’s what you’re supposed to do, which is approval seeking behavior. What I’m saying is that when you really truly have feelings for a girl, tell her. If you get rejected every time you express vulnerability, it’s not the vulnerability itself because plenty of people express vulnerability and don’t get rejected. It’s a separate issue...maybe the vulnerability…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:32 PM
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The problem is that these “cold” men getting love are only getting love from a specific type of girl. The “no weaknesss be 100% alpha” thing only works on insecure club girls with issues of their own. My gf is like 2 promotions away from being on the top floor of the bank of American building in Charlotte, NC. That shit will never work on her. The hot girl who is a lawyer working 80 hours a week? That shit isn’t working on her. She’s too busy to put up with bull shit games. The hot yoga teacher …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 05:39 PM
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Not sure what you mean by the first point. Can you elaborate? There’s a difference between having an insecurity and being insecure with who you are. Having a specific thing you dislike about yourself is okay. The feeling of inadequacy, feeling like you as a whole aren’t good enough because of one or more things is not. If your attitude is “I love my life and wish the best for the people around me, but my crooked nose makes me feel bad about myself sometimes”, you’re doing fine. If you feel an in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 05:33 PM
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Nothing your saying is actually real...it’s all shit that’s conjured in your mind out of a combination of bitterness and TRP literature. Weakness and vulnerability are different from neediness. You can be sad that your mom or your dog died, and no woman is going to leave you for that. You can be sensitive about a particular part of your life...as long as you as a whole have your shit together and are an overall confident person, it’s fine to have vulnerabilities. It makes you human. Like I said,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 05:21 PM
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What about when the woman has a lower sex drive than the man? Is she allowed to look elsewhere in that circumstance?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 09:25 PM
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I still feel like you’re just off. First of all, saying “women behave this way 70% of the time” based only on anecdotal observations means nothing to me. Second of all, even if they DO behave a certain way, it’s very possible you’re misinterpreting the meaning of that behavior, the cause of that behavior, or the intention behind that behavior. TRP tends to way oversimplify social psychology based on what you believe without an open mind or considering that your observations could be limited, off…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 09:43 PM
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But is it possible that TRP misinterprets some of these things? Like for example, the common trope is that women don’t like nice guys. But I’ve found that women love guys who are genuinely kind and nice people, but they don’t like guys who constantly placate others out of approval seeking behavior. I feel like TRP basically observed some things and made hard assumptions without really understanding it to its fullest. Another example is how TRP teaches men to never be emotionally vulnerable. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 04:32 PM
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You don’t clean the house because you want to have sex. You clean the house because you don’t want to live in nasty house. You don’t take care of the kids because you want sex. You take care of the kids because you want your kids taken care of. If your only motivation to do anything in life is getting laid, women will sense that and it will turn them off. Stop viewing sex as a reward for good behavior. Just be on top of your shit and have sex because you want to do something WITH your partner. G…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 07:42 PM
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I’m an old school guy who was involved in the seduction community right when The Game first came out. Solid points, OP. Very solid points. Dudes who disagree with you are just at a phase of their lives where they’re still insecure and need women as validation.
/r/seduction12/12/18 02:01 PM
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I’m not a “lucky” one. I worked for everything I have. I wasn’t born exceptionally good looking, I don’t have a 150 IQ, and my parents weren’t millionaires. I’m a normal ass dude who didn’t have a victim mentality. And I believe that ANYBODY who shares that same attitude can have a kick ass life in our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 01:55 PM
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You make all of these generalizations like they apply to everybody. They don’t apply to me though. I have an awesome girlfriend. She cleans some, I clean some. We both work. We have more than enough income to be very happy. Our sex life is great. I just accepted that it might be harder, but was still determined to get what I wanted out of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 04:26 AM
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“There are too many responsibilities for not enough rewards” Lol what? We have the same amount of responsibility as we had 20, 30, and 50 years ago. Get a job that gives you an income that lets you pay your bills. Shower enough that you don’t smell like ass. Buy a house. Take your kids to soccer practice. The real reason men are dropping out of society is that everybody in our generation wants instant gratification. If they don’t get an immediate reward for an action, they don’t want to do it. V…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 10:22 PM
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I’m a guy. I wouldn’t respond angrily, but I think it’s dumb to care about somebody’s history as long as they’re honest. I’d rather a girl with 20 partners that always used condoms than a girl with 5 partners but 3 of them were cheating on their boyfriends with no condoms
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 10:48 PM
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I’ll definitely read it, but you should know that one source does not equal mountains of evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:27 AM
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Requesting peer reviewed studies, claiming to have mountains of evidence, and not providing any of said evidence all at the same time. Cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:22 AM
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You know how I know you’re wrong? Because I used to think just like you. I know exactly why you think you’re right, and I know exactly why you’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 12:05 AM
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Imagine living life so bitter
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 05:56 PM
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What an absurd body. You really think that feminists should be happy to see Muslims in intern camps? Feminists oppose Islamic treatment of women, but they don’t actively fight against it for the same reason that fiscal conservatives don’t fight against universal health care in Canada. They’re focused on their own country, their own living situation, and making their home what they feel is the best place in the world to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 05:55 PM
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Wrong dude. Definitely focus on your looks, bu also focus on your career, on your body, on your personality. Women want men who have self respect. If you are fat and have a neck beard, it screams “I have no self respect.” If you aren’t super good looking, but you stay moderately fit, have a good sense of humor, and are nice without being a pushover, and make enough money to pay your bills and put a little into savings, you can find and meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 04:32 PM
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The problem is you say nice guys like niceness is what’s unattractive. You can be nice and attractive, and you can be a dick and unattractive. It’s not “lack of niceness” that these girls are attracted to. There are plenty of men in this world who are nice people that get high quality women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 06:45 PM
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I mean, I send messages to physically attractive women. I’d assume he does the same. shrugs
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 11:41 PM
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God it’s so cringe when people use the term “chad”. Maybe I’m just too old to fit into the hip lingo. Some women do drink to lower their inhibitions because they want to have sex. That’s not who these laws are trying to protect, and I don’t think “under the influence” in the eyes of the law is the same thing as being completely wasted. If there are some jurisdictions where they’re too harsh on what is considered “drunk”, I’d argue that those jurisdictions should adjust their standards to be fair…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 11:34 PM
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I see what you’re trying to do, and I’m not saying there isn’t technically a comparison to be made, but if you break each component down individually, it’s pretty clear that it’s best for society to take separate stances on each issue. We don’t want people driving drunk. We don’t want people being raped while passed out or being manipulated while intoxicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 04:20 PM
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No it’s not half the replies. I’m a guy, I’ve done online dating, and I’ve never had those questions like that. You’re just straight lying lol. I mean, maybe I’m wrong, but there’s no way I’ll ever believe you without screen caps (lots of them because the fringe weirdo or two doesn’t count....I’d need enough to know that it’s a real, consistent thing).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 10:11 PM
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Lol you say that like all women do that. Some of these posts are straight up cringe man. So obvious when people just straight up never interact with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 08:11 PM
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It’s like this. If I was going to swear off Mexican food, I’d just cut it out of my life and be done with it. I wouldn’t join a support group for it. I wouldn’t be on an anti-Mexican food subreddit all the time. I wouldn’t type intellectualized essays online about how much better off I am without Mexican food. I’d just do it and not think about it. Y’all are bitter as fuck, and don’t even act like you’re not. If you were really that happy without women, you wouldn’t be posting about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 04:44 AM
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I agree. That, and feminists aren’t the beat at explaining what they truly want, and the ones doing most of the talking about it are the radicals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 04:11 PM
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I think you are misunderstood. But to be fair, most feminists are horrible at explaining what they really want/mean. I strongly recommend the book “Open Her” by Karen Brody...it’s a much more practical explanation of what feminism wants from a moderate perspective, and it actually coincides with what TRP believes to a degree. Masculinity is not toxic, but toxic masculinity exists. Healthy masculinity is assertiveness and GOOD leadership. It’s protecting those you care about. It’s standing up for…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 04:09 PM
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Why is it so hard for the manosphere to understand that toxic masculinity is not all masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 11:12 PM
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This is a perfect representation of why men need to learn to express their feelings. Instead of just telling her “hey, you’re constantly rejecting me, and it makes me feel rejected, unattractive, etc” he basically went full passive aggressive mode on her. Being honest about how he felt could have lead to a discussion that solved the problem. She is to blame too, though. She also could have said to him “hey man, I’m losing sexual attraction to you because x” or “I’m losing interest in sex because…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 08:37 PM
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NEEERRRRRRD
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:20 AM
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To be fair, a lot of casual encounters I’ve had, the woman didn’t want oral. A huge number of women I’ve met just flat out don’t want to receive oral sex unless they’re extra comfortable with the guy because they’re too self conscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 09:57 PM
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“When a man sees a woman, who wants to have sex first?” With each other? The man. But that’s not because the woman doesn’t also want to have sex...it just requires different triggers to make her feel attracted to you. Once again, bags of sand/boobs. Your count ain’t 80 dude. It’s painfully obvious. You can lie for the validation here, but that doesn’t change reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 04:23 PM
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Your obsession with emotion has nothing to do with any of the points I make. Trying to write them off as an emotional reaction instead of actually addressing them is quite the dodge, but doesn’t actually mean anything. That wasn’t an emotional response - I’m just telling you that anybody who actually has experience with women understands that you are talking about a dynamic that you don’t understand. You’re basically the guy from 40 year old Virgin describing boobs feeling like bags of sand. Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 01:56 PM
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There’s no way OP isn’t a virgin. This kind of blamey shit is why Red Pill Manosphere is so off base with reality. Anybody who actually has experienced a healthy relationship just sees clear as day how incorrect this all is. For starters, women like to Fuck. In a lot of cases, just as much as men, even more. Hop on over to r/deadbedrooms and look at how many women are frustrated that their male SOs aren’t interested in sex with them. I do agree with the fact that women are less attracted to most…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 11:54 AM
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Dude, it’s so obvious that you have nobody close to you around your age that is female. I recommend just going out and making some female friends. Don’t even try to fuck - just be in it for the long term improvement. Your perception is distorted by frustration and resentment. I’m not trying to be mean. I’m just telling you that any normal person who has female friends and girlfriends in their lives can tell you are extremely lacking in experience. My advice is to not try and be the guy that alre…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 02:14 PM
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r/badwomensanatomy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 02:08 PM
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You see man, I know you’ve said in other threads that you’re in a great relationship, but when you say things like that, i find it hard to believe you. I think you’re either in a terrible relationship, or you just have no experience with women. I don’t mean this as a personal shot...it’s just like based on my experience and the experience of people I know, I can’t fathom how anybody who actually is in a normal, healthy relationship has that outlook. My girlfriend initiates sex more than I do. Sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 05:44 PM
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When you say that, it seems like sex is this thing you get when you earn enough nice points. Something that one party is giving up and the other party is working towards earning. If you just want to be able to semantically call it a “reward” then go for it, but anybody in a normal relationship that’s healthy understands that it’s very mutual, and it’s not a prize in the sense that the man is working towards sex points and the woman only rewards sex when enough points are earned. It’s that kind o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 11:05 PM
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Fun fact: women like sex too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 09:03 PM
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It is important to develop social skills, I do agree - but faking confidence isn’t the way to do it. Of all the things TRP screws up the most - avoidance of vulnerability. Vulnerability is key to connection. TRP creates these “rules” based on observations that they don’t fully understand. They confuse “aloof” with “non-needy” and then guys miss out on opportunities to hook up or form a relationship because they’re pretending to not be interested when they should be just straight up conveying int…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 05:32 PM
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That’s the problem - you don’t need success with women to feel secure about yourself. You just think you do. Basing your sense of self worth and self acceptance on whether or not women are validating your attractiveness is the most needy mindset you can possibly have. I’ve been doing BJJ for 12 years. I’ve won competitions and am close to receiving my black belt. I get validation from that. I explore the world around me and pursue interests that look appealing to me. In the past year, I’ve taken…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 02:47 PM
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oP is talking about a few dates, not the love of his life. Being broken up with is not the same thing as being rejected. I do agree that if you’re going through a tough breakup, as much distance as possible is very necessary to get over it, but if you’re taking a rejection after 1-2 dates the same way you would take a LTR breakup, you have some serious emotional issues you’ve gotta figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 02:40 PM
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The entire premise of this thread is a claim, dude. On what basis do you CLAIM that society is moving in the direction you believe it is moving? I am refuting YOUR claim. Edit: thought you were OP
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 07:28 PM
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I did. There’s nothing at all that suggests we’re heading in this direction. Literally nothing. It’s purely absurd panic. If you have evidence to present that suggests we’re heading in that direction, we can have a conversation, but you are the one making the claim, and nothing any normal person is observing backs up that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 07:22 PM
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You took it personal. It’s not personal, it’s just fact. You’re being a doomsayer. It’s really not gonna get to that point. There is an issue where most grown men aged 23-35 are basically living like man-children. That’s men’s problem to deal with. Source - am a man who used to live like a man-child, now doesn’t, am now in a great relationship, have plenty of sex, and am enjoying life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 07:14 PM
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Yoga studios
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 03:47 PM
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Spot on
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 02:35 PM
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Imagine being that bitter
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 02:35 PM
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My parents weren’t born in the 1930s, the fuck you referencing that era for? How old do you think I am? Edit: and to be clear, even IF alcoholism was higher, (which I’d need a source on that, btw) that doesn’t mean anything close to the majority of men were alcoholics. You just cite some vague statistics as if every single living man was getting drunk and beating his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 02:32 PM
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Easier. When our parents were dating, every man was of decent quality. They all had jobs and stuck up for what they believed in. Now, most men can’t take care of themselves, have shit social skills, and can’t hold a decent job. All you have to do is just be better than trash and you are instantly a top 20%er.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 11:50 AM
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I see some benefits and some negatives, and while I’m glad I found the community because it helped me seek the answer, the community itself was not the answer. The stuff they teach does not help you become a better person. You don’t ever get girls you’re actually interested in. You can get some hot girls, but you have to be extremely fake, and those hot girls are all toxic, insecure party girls who are filled with drama...that’s the only kind of girl you ever attract by learning how to be a bull…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 10:11 PM
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Care to clarify? To be clear - I was into PUA for years before anything like “the red pill” ever existed. I was into it during the peak “The Game” years. I know what you guys believe, and I know why you believe what you believe. I am confidently telling you that there are much better ways to consistently get women you are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 09:12 PM
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I still disagree. This is what the red pill guys don’t understand. There is so much confidence to be displayed in showing active interest, as long as it’s shown with the mindset of “I’m interested you, but also secure enough in myself to handle rejection if you aren’t feeling it.” Women can sense desperation. There’s nothing bad about interest. Desperation is what’s bad. Don’t act anything. Just do what you feel. If you find somebody attractive, pursue them. If they say no, no big deal. Say what…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 09:10 PM
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That’s the biggest problem with red pill. It’s all black and white. It’s either 100% up or 100% down. You can show interest without being needy. You can be a man who has his own shit going on and isn’t desperate but still show somebody that you care. The problem is that you have to change how you feel on the inside. If you truly don’t feel needy, your actions will reflect non-neediness. I tell my girl I love her every day. I cuddle with her and respond to her texts when I see them. But I also fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 06:48 PM
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But red pill does encourage men to be aloof.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 06:32 PM
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You’re 100% wrong my dude. Neediness oozes out of your communication. Your body language, vocal tonality, etc all give you away, and there are some things like micro expressions that aren’t even possible to manipulate, which is why “fake it till you make it” is actually shitty advice. If you’re not confident, you need to figure out what it is about yourself that you don’t like, and start changing it. PUA/TRP is basically a get rich quick scheme. You sucker people in by promising to offer an easi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 06:52 PM
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No, it’s like this. Doing something out of the ordinary because you want somebody to think you’re sexy = insecure and approval seeking. Doing something out of the ordinary because it’s who the fuck you are and you’re going to be who you are regardless of what society tells you to be = confident, masculine, and secure. If you are intentionally expressing Bull shit vulnerability because you think it will get you laid, you’re not sexy. You’re whiny and manipulative. If you just express your true fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 12:13 PM
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RP has so many misconceptions. It’s like they see something, and instead of exploring it more, they just roll with it. Like your first two points. Strength an aloofness. Strength is attractive, but they don’t understand what strength means. Strength isn’t always “holding your frame” it’s just not being a manipulative pushover who only acts nice to gain approval. You can be a kind, gentle person and still be strong. It’s not aloofness. It’s non-neediness. This doesn’t come from how you act. It co…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 03:53 PM
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Sure, but what does 7.3 mean to you? What does 7.3 mean to me? To me, 5 is average, 4 is slightly below average, and 6 is slightly above average, so 7.3 is moderately attractive. Other people may view the number 7.3 as average. Was this controlled for this? Wouldn’t the best way to accurately conduct this test be to measure blood flow to the genitals or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 03:42 PM
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It also is universal. There are clear “ugly” features, and evolution has driven us to have a baseline for attraction, but beyond that, it is subjective. Some men prefer brunettes. Some prefer blondes. Most men have body type preferences. The same differences can apply to women as well. There is also evidence that people tend to prefer people that look similar to them, but not too similar. So yes, so,embody ,is sin an eyeball with no teeth that weighs 550 lbs…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 01:36 PM
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It’s called confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 04:04 PM
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This looks like something that somebody with one perspective would write. That perspective is the feeling of loneliness and rejection by women despite feeling like you deserve all of their love and affection. I’m a guy, and I have not experienced the reality you are claiming. I don’t feel like my girlfriend’s slave. I don’t feel like the fruits of my labor go unrewarded. I don’t feel like I was ever taught that I am a puppy who needs to act a certain way or am a slave to women. These are all exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 12:12 PM
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Not really. TRP guys have a perception of what they think the social constructs are, but are actually wrong about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 09:02 PM
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If you’re only going to the gym to get women, you’re doing something unnatural to yourself to get the approval of others. Approval seeking behavior is unattractive and done by people with low self esteem. Go to the gym because you want to be healthy or feel good about yourself. That’s what’s attractive about fit dudes - the motivation to take care of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 04:01 PM
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1 - “I can name plenty of celebrities”. doesnt name one. K lol 2 - it’s funny how red pill dudes seem to be so obsessed with citing correlational studies as causal evidence. For example, you show a study that there is a correlation between multiple sex partners and drug addiction. First, that study describes men and women...and in point four, you imply that you have casual sex all of the time. So are you prone to drug addiction and mental health disorders yourself? Probably not because that stud…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 08:06 PM
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What about Models is “cuck”?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 07:40 PM
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1 - How would I know which celebrities have had lots of sex? Furthermore, how would I know who hasn’t? Most celebs, men and women, don’t talk a lot about their sex lives. 2 - Do you have any sources to back up your claim that a slut is “emotionally imbalanced?” Normal people have various sex drives and act on them accordingly...that’s all. Also, is the sluttiness caused by abuse as a child? In that case, are you suggesting that slugs have mental issues before they ever start sleeping around, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:48 PM
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I share some similarities with TRP, and also some differences. I definitely respect the “take matters into your own hand” and “control your own destiny” concepts of TRP. I don’t accept their negative outlooks on women, particularly on their idea of women as these shallow robots that all think and act the same and want an “alpha” douchebag. Two books I strongly recommend - “Open Her” by “Karen Brody” and “Models” by Mark Manson. TRP is going in the right direction, but not totally correct about a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:41 PM
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Dude, the media represents the loudest people. The same reason why people think every Trump supporter is racist is the same reason why people think every feminist is some nutjob with her hair half shaved and her armpit hair dyed pink. Radical everything is bad. And the media sensationalizes the extremes. But most people are just normal people with slightly different perspectives...that’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:25 PM
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1 - that’s anecdotal evidence. I can just as easily say that I know plenty of women who have had casual sex that are perfectly fine. Neither of our claims proves anything 2 - how do you define “mentally unhealthy” in this context? In what way does a “slut” behave that makes her mentally unwell? 3 - Women are selective. That’s why only 20% of the guys bang 80% of the women. Selective doesn’t mean “never have sex”. It means “I need a connection before I can feel truly sexually attracted to somebod…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:01 AM
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I’ve had this debate on here a lot but the general gist of it is - if it doesn’t affect you or cause harm to people, worrying about it or judging somebody for it comes from a place of insecurity. The only thing that could possibly be of concern is am STD, and a simple check that’s free in most states can tell you if there’s any concern in that department. Most of the manosphere seems to imply that women who have sex outside of serious relationships are these evil, horrible creatures who lose the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 08:38 AM
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That’s most feminists in America though. The radical ones you’re talking about are the loudest, but aren’t an accurate representation of the actual population. Sorta like how most leftists think that the average Trump supporter is sole inbred hillbilly in the KKK. The reality is most trump supporters are just normal dudes who want lower taxes. It’s the same thing. Radicals get the most media attention because anything out of the ordinary is what gets the highest ratings on TV.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 08:31 AM
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I know this is gonna sound like I belong in r/iamverybadass or something like it, but I’d like to share a little about my personal life so you can get an idea of what this “loud male feminist” is like. *12 years of BJJ. Currently a brown belt under Royce Gracie *4 MMA fights, record of 2-2 (both wins by submission, both losses by split decision). *One of the primary training partners for some lower level UFC fighters. *Lift weights 3x a week *Perfectly Happy with my sex life and sexual history (…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 04:46 PM
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It may be. But I’m telling you, focusing on how hard it is gets you NOWHERE. You don’t win a poker championship by moping every time you get a 7/2 off suit. You play the hand to the best of your ability. 99% of people don’t max their fucking lives, and the 1% that do always have the best lives. A naturally ugly ass dude who maxes his life will have a better life outcome than a naturally good looking dude that doesn’t. I know it seems like I’m being harsh, but let it light a fire under your ass. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:04 PM
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I do know the reality. The reality is that I used to have the same hopeless “waaah I’m ugly and unlovable” mindset that you have, but for the past few years I’ve gotten into working out, learned public speech, advanced my career, learned a little bit about fashion, read books on confidence, got into meditation...and my sex life and dating life is awesome. You make Bull shit excuses because you don’t want to feel responsible for your own life. What scares you more than anything else in this world…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 05:01 PM
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Wrong. I’m male. I just accept what is and focus on being the best me. Losers whine. Winners take action.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:57 PM
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We get it. Women have an easier time getting laid than men. Stop whining about it and be a better option.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 04:47 PM
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Found an incel in the wild
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 02:11 PM
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Bro anybody can be wrong about shit, but if I am romantically and socially happy, I probably know more about it than you, who isn’t successful in that field. Just like somebody who codes for a living probably knows more than me about HTML. It’s really know different. Somebody who has a lot of experience with something is going to be knowledgeable about the subject. You can’t both understand how social dynamics and romantic dynamics work when you literally never have seen success in those categor…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 05:40 PM
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No it actually doesn’t lol. I know because I 100% live in the reality I’m describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 05:35 PM
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You know what’s hilarious about you and all the other incels out there? You are the ones struggling with social skills and dating, but any time somebody who isn’t struggling with it gives you advice, you tell them that their advice is wrong. It’s like you’re Ray Charles telling Bob Ross to stop giving you advice on oil painting. It’s so beyond amazing how you can acknowledge that you suck at socializing and dating but simultaneously write a goddam essay about the subject like you’re some kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 02:11 PM
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I can very confidently tell you that anybody who doesn’t grow out of high school gossiping is considered a loser by every adult social standard there is. They don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:35 PM
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Unless you’re still in high school, nobody who matters gives a fuck about other people unless other people are affecting them in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:25 PM
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90% of the time, what you perceive as “treat women like trash” is really just a dude being kinda bossy. Nobody in the world, guy or girl, wants to be around a person that acts like OP. He’s literally just throwing a 3-year-old-like tantrum because he isn’t getting handed everything he wants out of life. Yes, sometimes douchebags get the girl, but that’s generally because he’s high status and getting insecure chicks. And he’s not acting like OP. He’s not running around harassing everybody in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:23 PM
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They didn’t get laid acting like toxic psychos. They got laid acting normal, and then turned out to be toxic psychos. When’s the last time you were at a party and saw somebody acting like OP take a girl home?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 01:12 PM
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It’s gonna be hilarious when you get surgery and then realize that nobody will fuck you because you’re a total asshole. I’ve seen some ugly ass dudes get laid because they were cool and funny. I’ve never seen toxic psychos get laid. I’m sure it’s happened, but I’m telling you dude...you’re in for a nasty surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:56 AM
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“I have a great personality. People just hate me for my looks” “Everybody who is living a normal, happy life should die”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:46 AM
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“You’re bothering all of us, please stop” “No” Lol yeah man you have a great personality. It’s just your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:42 AM
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Nobody gives a Fuck about anybody else enough to care if you’re single or not lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 08:40 AM
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I agree with that, but that’s not what TRP teaches. For example, “I really like you and feel strongly about you” is just something that you don’t say to a girl if you’re pure TRP, but genuinely showing somebody that you care inna vulnerable way is necessary to build a strong relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 06:16 PM
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Because refusing to be vulnerable is both a principle of TRP and also the most anti-genuine thing you can possibly do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 07:40 PM
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No. The best way to find a fulfilling relationship is to be genuine and to become the best version of yourself. RP helps with the second half but destroys the first half.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 03:14 PM
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I didn’t realize that RPW was so different from TRP...but it still comes from the same place. In both cases, person gets hurt by the opposite sex, person assumes “they’re all the same” and adapts a cynical, negative view of love and the opposite gender. This negativity and bitterness feeds itself by reading every story through a filter, interacting with other people who share their bitterness, and reading/interpreting studies that support their beliefs while ignoring studies that don’t. I was th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 01:09 PM
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This applies to men, too. Just be genuine. If somebody doesn’t like you because you’re not challenging enough, either they’re immature, or you’re actually needy and need to find a hobby or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 10:02 PM
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Everybody likes to fuck attractive people. What’s disputed is what actually is necessary to be considered attractive. My face is average at best, but I do yoga, BJJ, and lift, so my body is on point as fuck. Combine that with dressing well in clothes that fit me, some pics that showcase my lifestyle as fun and adventurous, and mindset of “I want you but I don’t need you” and I still got pretty good results from Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 11:54 PM
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Just because you’re masculine doesn’t mean you are automatically going to have sex. Maybe Sir Isaac Newton never tried. Maybe he was gay. Maybe he was also a total asshole. Maybe he was asexual. Maybe he did have sex and it was reported wrong and he didn’t tell anybody. Maybe he was so socially awkward that his masculinity wasn’t enough and he made people uncomfortable. Nobody is saying that being truly masculine automatically leads to sex. What I am saying is that being Mr. Toughguyalphaallthet…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 01:40 PM
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Women want masculine men. You (and most Red Pill guys) just don’t understand what masculine actually means. Masculine isn’t guns and grits. It’s not being alpha. It’s not being the boss or never showing vulnerability. Masculinity is being 100% true to who you are. It’s standing up for yourself. It’s working towards things that you want. It’s not caving to social pressure. It’s protecting people and things you care about. It’s not being afraid to take calculated risks. A man should have those mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 01:12 PM
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“Often finger the wrong person” Is there a sub called r/youhadtophraseitthatway ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 10:31 PM
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100% agree. There’s a difference between lack of evidence to convict a rapist and clear cut evidence that she lied about a rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 07:45 PM
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I agree that men do exaggerate it, but I will also say that like actual rape convictions, the punishment for false rape accusations is usually waaaaay too lenient. Rape is a serious fucking charge. If you rape somebody, you deserve to have your life, career, and reputation ruined. And if you intentionally falsely accuse somebody of rape, you deserve to have your life, career, and reputation ruined the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 07:27 PM
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I’m sure there is such a thing, but I don’t think it’s some cultural phenomenon that’s a massive issue. Guys who are content with being losers in their lives complain that women want to date up because they don’t feel like bettering themselves. I’m not naturally attractive. But I work out and stay in killer shape, I meditate daily, and I’m working on an internet marketing business that I hope makes me rich one day. And I have an awesome gf who should be way out of my league, but we connect well …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 05:57 PM
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Is “ability to change a tire” what you consider to be masculine vs feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 09:39 PM
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Man here. I find intelligence and success very sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 09:35 PM
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I think it’s important for OP to define toxic masculinity here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 08:20 AM
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Have you read Manson’s book?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 03:58 AM
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Woah, lots of responses. I don’t see a point in asking the follow up question. The answer is extremely obvious at this point. Most feminists will think it’s sexist to tell men that they should lead women. But that still does not mean that all dating advice is sexist, which was the original purpose of this discussion, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:48 PM
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How did you draw that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:45 PM
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I can ask that, but let me ask you - even if the answer is yes 1 - does that make it sexist just because it’s perceived as sexist by a specific demographic? 2 - does that make all dating advice sexist? (For example, “be a better listener”)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 04:05 PM
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The sample size thing is a fair point, but then again, there are waaaaaaay too many variables for this to ever be a legitimate experiment (example - my explanation of leader could suck). Still interesting to see responses though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:57 PM
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I don’t think they’ve said it’s sexist. 4 people have said they prefer 50/50 over being lead. Not exactly a sample size I’d call significant yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 03:48 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/9c3lbx/straight_women_of_raskfeminists_do_you_prefer/?st=JLJJMBSG&sh=48856a56 grabs popcorn For science
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 02:49 PM
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It’s an ask thread. I’m not making a statement, but I can ask if they feel naturally inclined. My goal is to get them to tell me, not to try and sway their answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 02:46 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 02:43 PM
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Let’s compromise then. I’ll make the thread if inside the thread’s body, I can describe what I mean by a leader. Remember, the purpose is to discern whether feminists will believes that men’s dating advice is sexist or not. “Men should lead” is dating advice, but so is explaining what being a leader is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 02:40 PM
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I mean, I think that’s intentionally wording it in a way where it suggests being controlling. A neutral proposal of “are you attracted to men who take a leadership role in a relationship” would be much more fair. And in that case, I think you’d be surprised by the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 02:35 PM
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Do this. Go to r/dating_advice of r/twoxchromosomes and just ask “Do you like men who are leaders in the relationship?” I think you’d be surprised by the answers. Edit: Actually, I’ll do it. For science.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 02:31 PM
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Lol “I know everything and there’s not possibly anything new I could ever learn from anybody, ever” mkay lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 02:28 PM
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I think you’d actually be surprised. A lot of it depends on how you word it, and the vibe you give off when you say it. If you ask a woman if she likes a man who is a good leader, she’ll say yes. Karen Brody, a top rated sex and relationship therapist who is also a feminist wrote a book called “Open Her” and talks a lot about leadership and the importance of a man taking charge properly. This is why TRP upsets feminists though. TRP doesn’t teach men to become good leaders. It teaches them how to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 02:23 PM
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I understand that you will get accusations, but that doesn’t make it actually misogynistic. I get why, but that’s because we have a really shitty understanding of what it means to be a leader.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 06:39 PM
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It’s not misogynistic if you understand what a true leader actually is. The book “Models” does a really good job of explaining that. It’s not misogynistic, it just sounds misogynistic if you don’t understand it. The best short way I can explain it - imagine that you are the chief of a native tribe in South America. The year is 900 AD. You’re hanging out peacefully with your tribe, and all of a sudden, arrows come flying through the sky, killing people around you. You look off in the distance, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 06:30 PM
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No; I do not think that advising women to work on fitness is prejudiced. I am definitely blue-leaning, but I’m a realist. Men are visual, and you will be more attractive in good shape. The same goes for men, but it’s 100x more important for women. The fat acceptance movement and anything trying to downplay the importance of this is absurd. The thing about picture studies and women is that they’re horrible ways to prove attraction because you’re asking a woman to decide on attractiveness in a sna…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 06:02 PM
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Unless that woman is also a yoga instructor or works herself. If she’s making 30 and he’s making 30, that’s 60k. You’re not gonna survive in New York or LA on that, but you can definitely live in the suburbs on that money with a small family. A surprisingly high number of women are involved in careers, too. Women are fine being the breadwinners as long as the guy isn’t useless. A man who follows his passion and lives life how he wants, but still contributes, is very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 05:40 PM
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Once again, the book takes a different approach than what typical PUA TRP takes. There are some similarities, but with a much better understanding of the “why”. For example, it’s not wealth in of itself that women are attracted to. It’s a man’s drive for individuality and ownership of his own life. A man who has that trait is more likely to be successful than one who isn’t. But non-wealthy men can also have that trait, and will be considered attractive as well. Body builders are a great example …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 02:08 AM
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Read that book. It’s not prejudiced against women. Learning how to be a man that makes women feel good emotionally, sexually, and psychologically is not prejudiced against women. Learning how to pretend to be something you’re not so that you can trick women into bed with you is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 01:59 AM
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Not all dating advice is sexist, and the best definitely isn’t. “Models” by Mark Manson is not only the best dating advice book you’ll ever read, but it’s also very non-misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 11:23 PM
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“I’m not interested in what feminists have to say.” In other words, you are anti-critical thinking. You are opposed to exploring new points of view and only want to read information that backs your beliefs. I used to be big into PUA, and was all about the MRA movement years ago. My opinion was changed because of new information. An intelligent person ALWAYS questions and challenges their own beliefs. Karen Brody is actually very critical of the results of feminism, and you’d actually agree with …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 11:22 PM
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If that’s the case, you just dodged my whole point. Just about every person in existence who has ever studied psychology will support the notion that the biggest cause of higher male suicide rates is lack of emotional expression and lack of emotional support systems. Bottling is one of the worst things you can possibly do for your mental health. I’m definitely not saying men are the same as women, and I do believe that on average, men are less emotional than women...but that doesn’t mean that me…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 04:02 PM
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“I didn’t say tha rmen are being pinned for domestic violence” Then what is that doing that actually causes any real harm to men? You have failed to provide a single example of how it has actually caused any real harm to men. “Men don’t need to express emotions like women do” Boy, for someone who claims to know everything about the subject, you sure are spitting out things that strongly disagree with literally any and every PhD psychologist, therapist, and mental health specialist in existence. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 01:44 PM
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What do you define as masculine, OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 03:50 PM
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First, do you have any examples of men being unfairly punished by the law, as well as any reports on how frequently that actually happens? Second, men’s suicide rate is a massive problem with our culture, but without some very strong evidence, I don’t think you can just claim that “men getting pinned for domestic violence” is the root cause of it. Most psychologists would argue that the primary factor related to men’s suicide is lack of emotional support. Men tend to not express emotion, and are…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 10:41 PM
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What part of that act actually hurts men though? It might be lacking in equal legislation to protect men from domestic violence, which probably should be revised, but even if the numbers are exaggerated, what harm is there in putting laws in place that protect women from domestic violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 09:36 PM
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People trying to debunk it doesn’t mean it is debunked. It’s not perfect science - no psychology is...but if you read the book, it’s pretty thorough and controls for a lot of different variables. This guy has been doing variations of this test for literally 40+ years.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 09:33 PM
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You’re completely avoiding what I said. What piece of legislature has a major feminist organization ever proposed or supported related to domestic violence that would hurt men in any way?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 07:30 PM
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Well I’ll tell you what bud. Never work on social intuition, impulsivity, or charisma and see where you end up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 07:18 PM
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All of your arguments are based on academic performance. Of course IQ is a greater predicted of academic performance. I’m talking about life outcome. Check out the book “The Marshmallow Test”, which is a good example of what I mean. There are a lot of benefits to reading that book outside of just the context of this debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 07:03 PM
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I don’t think there’s any feminist who thinks it’s okay for women to strike men in a non-self-defense scenario dude. I also don’t believe that domestic violence is anywhere close to a primary part of the US feminist platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:56 PM
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That is not a platform bro. Give me an example of a specific policy or piece of legislature that feminism supports that would be unjustly hostile towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:43 PM
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Give an example of a platform that the majority of feminists take that is hostile to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:32 PM
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Yeah so here’s the thing - I wrote the paper 10 years ago. I’m not trying to look all that shit up again. What I can tell you is this - you’ve probably heard the expression “it’s not what you know but who you know”. Humans evolved as social creatures. Your ability to form strong social connections and useful social connections will get you further in the long run than simply being able to manage and process information quickly. Impulsivity is related to EI. If you are extremely impulsive, you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:26 PM
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It’s really not hostile to men. It’s hostile to men who rape, men who sexually harass, and men who feel entitled to women’s bodies. It’s not hostile to down to earth, good men who are good natured and have no intentions of hurting anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:18 PM
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The fact that many men feel that it’s hostile to them doesn’t make it hostile, either. I think feminism is very misunderstood, but I also think it’s feminism’s fault for being so misunderstood. Check out the book “Open Her” by Karen Brody. It gives a better explanation of what women want out of men, and a lot of it is counter intuitive to what people think feminism wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:08 PM
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I’m a non-graduate male who is pretty successful in his career, and I don’t feel like feminism was ever hostile to me. I do believe that our culture does a poor job teaching its men to be men, but I actually don’t really blame feminism for that. I do blame a misunderstanding of what feminists actually way from a man, but I think both sides are to blame in a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 03:18 PM
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Short version until I can get in front of a computer: Raw intellifence is important and does play a role in success, but emotional intelligence is more important. Having both is best, if a dumbass with a fuck ton of charisma, empathy, and self discipline has a higher projected life outcome than a genius that can’t connect well with others, has trouble reading and understanding others, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 03:14 PM
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Out of curiosity, what about virginity makes you hesitant?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 06:55 PM
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So if more women are doing it than men, doesn’t that mean that more men are idiots?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 06:06 PM
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What most Red Pills are going to say is “be less emotional” and “fuck good guys instead of bad guys” Women and men are different. It doesn’t make one inferior to the other. Asking women to be less feminine so that you can feel like they’re pulling their weight is absurd. If you don’t like the power dynamic you’re given, step up and change your own life in a way that makes it shift more towards your favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 02:09 PM
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You really believe women are intellectually inferior to men? Because right now, women in the US are graduating college with higher average GPAs. STEM and logic is great and all, but there are a lot of studies that suggest that emotional intelligence is a bigger predictor of success than IQ. I was a psych major in college and actually wrote a 25 page paper on the subject as a final exam.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 02:06 PM
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Social drinking is fine. Don’t drink to get wasted. Cut back a lot on weed. I haven’t smoked in years and am so much more social. Some people like it to do art and shit, and if that’s the case, fine, but if you’re the type of dude that’s always high 24/7, just quit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 02:19 AM
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There are things that Red Pill gets tight, and there are things that it gets wrong. The problem is that the things that Red Pill gets wrong are waaaaaay wrong, and taking that advice can be devastating to long term happiness. I say this as somebody who did all that for years. Mark Manson and Karen Brody are the best authors for men who want to improve their dating lives. I strong recommend starting with Karen Brody’s book “Open Her”. It defines masculinity, differentiates good masculinity with b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 02:16 AM
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Maybe you’re not very fun to have sex with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 09:08 PM
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Correlation does not equal causation my man. This is research methodology 1010. There are a million reasons why gay men could be having sex more frequently than straight men. Emotional connection, cultural factors, the fact that men tend to prefer sex in the morning and women st night, and the fact that maybe women just often think their men suck/are selfish in bed and would rather have no sex than bad sex. There are infinite reasons beyond just drawing a conclusion based on correlation here. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 08:23 PM
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“Im not your mom” It’s so fascinating how people get so condescending the moment one of their views are challenged. Like me disagreeing with your belief is this personal attack, and you now need to be a snyde dick about it instead of just having a mature, civil discussion. You are describing a correlational conclusion. Just because gay men have sex more than straight men doesn’t mean that higher sex drive is the cause. Correlation does not equal causation. If you are basing your conclusion solel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 08:06 PM
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I’m not a peacock and I’m not a special snowflake dude. Im felling you I’m just right.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 07:34 PM
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Where does that study conclude that men have higher sex drives than women? That study concludes that gay men have higher STD rates than straight men...it does not conclude that men have higher sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 07:33 PM
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I’m not just lucky. Cite your sources please
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 07:25 PM
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It’s okay to be flirty with lots of girls, but at some point, you need to pick one and show her that you choose her and don’t want any of the other girls. Getting attention from lots of women is validating, but it’s not going to get you laid if you feed too much into that validation.
/r/seduction25/08/18 07:13 PM
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If you think women have lower sex drives than men, you are either very sexually inexperienced or you are horrible in bed. I have a high sex drive for a man (I want it once a day minimum) and I’ve never dated a chick who didn’t match or beat my sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 07:11 PM
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Good masculinity: *Standing up for what you believe in *Risk taking *Assertiveness *Standing up for yourself *Protecting others Toxic masculinity is when some insecure chode tries to overcompensate his lack of masculinity with over the top “bro-ness”. Examples: *picking fights *refusing to ever express any emotion or vulnerability *always trying to “out alpha” everybody instead of just chilling and going with the flow
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 06:47 PM
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I’m a blue man who would absolutely leave a sexless relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 01:56 PM
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It’s not just looksmax. It’s a lot more about developing a masculine energy and learning how to lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 01:55 AM
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It’s better than never getting laid ever. Also, you’d be surprised - you don’t have to have already become that man. Chicks just like to see that you’re actively pursuing something in life instead of just floundering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 01:39 AM
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Actually, I do. Message me your email address.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 01:38 AM
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Then he should do everything in his power to be more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 01:37 AM
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Check out the book “Open Her” by Karen Brody. There’s a lot of insight on this. Most of the time women stop having sex with men, it’s because they’ve lost attraction. Most of the time they lose attraction is because they feel like they’ve lost connection. It is actually usually the man’s fault. The book throughly explains how men slowly lose their masculine energy over the course of a long relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 01:34 AM
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Your last paragraph - I have felt all of those things before, and I understand why people feel that way. But I also have learned to recognize that this kind of resentment is toxic, and extremely counter productive. You CAN get women by cultivating your personality, just in a different way than what society teaches, and differently from what TRP teaches. TRP kinda gets it, but it comes from a place of bitterness when it should come from a place of zen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 07:12 PM
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“Give me a source” “Here’s a source from a doctor who clearly backs my point” “Haha you googled it noob wow you’re clueless” Two thumbs up bud. You’re good. Gonna be done with this convo unless you can actually refute the source. So if you don’t refute the source, feel free to have the last word. I know you need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 07:09 PM
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There was no emotion in my post. I know you really wish there was, but there wasn’t. By the way, here’s the source you wanted. https://www.webmd.com/men/features/exercise-and-testosterone Shorr answer - excercise helps with testosterone as long as you’re young and not overweight. It helps less if you have a very severe deficiency. It doesn’t increase your testosterone for a long time, but definitely long enough for the average guy to reap the benefits of a protein shake having extra testosterone…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 07:05 PM
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I gotta give it to you, it only took you 17 words to deflect what I said. Very concise. But it also hilariously confirms my read into your personality and the entire situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:58 PM
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You seem like a good guy who is frustrated. You don’t need to play TRP games or use lines or routines to get women. Feminists are more right about what they want than you think - they just really suck at explaining what they want. Two books - “Models” by Mark Manson “Open Her” by Karen Brody These two books explain what women want and how to be attractive to women while still being your true self. They explain it better than anybody. Karen Brody is a sex therapist who has been studying attractio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:57 PM
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Dude, you are aggressive. Good lord. This is a debate, not a fist fight. Chill your tits, you angry little man. I gathered from your post that you were an expert in the field and already knew the answer. Was I mistaken? You actually have no idea, and are blindly contesting my point? It’s fine to ask for a source, I definitely respect that. But angrily contesting a point when you don’t even actually know f it’s incorrect or not is pretty ballsy. I do believe that it can be significant because I’v…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:49 PM
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Then why don’t you answer me doctor red pill. How much testosterone can squatting add? And is it a flat amount, or does it vary based on lifting? I was a sales manager at a Golds Gym for 2 years, and worked there for another 5. I’ve personally seen people add on weight, without steroid proportions (I’ve been around it long enough that I can definitely tell when somebody is juicing. You can see it in their shoulders if you know what to look for).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:21 PM
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What I meant is that I understand that our society’s men are poorly conditioned. Men are not taught how to think and behave in a manner that leads to positive life outcomes. But that’s still no excuse. There’s fault and there’s responsibility. It’s not our fault that our society fucked us. It is our responsibility to fix it and to step up and work for better lives. Edit: for the record, I enjoy video games. A quick look at my post history will show you that I’m a huge nerd. But I still excercise…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:18 PM
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What did you mean by needle then? I don’t know the exact units that squats increase testosterone. Does that de-legitimize my claim that it does increase testosterone?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:08 PM
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Yeah man, everybody who argues on the Internet was captain of their football team and smashed pussy all day every day. I’m sure you’re no different. “I know TRP” Lol. Must be slaying then. Look bud, I’ve been in PUA since before “The Game” was written. I’ve had a TRP mindset, and I’m telling you from over a decade of learning behavioral psych and attraction science - TRP is not the way. It will get you very limited results from women who you don’t really like that much, and a major problem is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:06 PM
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“What if you hate excercise but love playing video games” I mean bro, I that’s you, you’re lazy. You hate excercise because it’s work. Nobody enjoys excercise as much as leisure activity. They do it because they want to work towards something. If you’re not willing to work for something, you don’t deserve that “something.” Expecting to get something for nothing is incredibly entitled. It’s ironic that most people who take your stance on women are republicans and hate the idea of welfare because …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:03 PM
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That’s fine, but accept that what you get is directly a consequence of what you put in. Don’t blame anything but yourself for the rewards you reap in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 05:59 PM
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Why do you think working out and trying to improve your income is changing yourself? Improving yourself is not the same thing as changing yourself. Nobody is saying you should change your core values or your identity. You should just not be lazy and take care of yourself. That’s really all working out and working towards a better job really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 05:58 PM
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Better get started
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 05:57 PM
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I agree with you that doing something is better than inaction. I just don’t think TRP is the way. I’ve done a fuck ton of studying on attraction psychology (10+ years of my life). Women do mean it when they say “I want a sensitive guy”. They want a man who is willing to express vulnerability and listens, but they don’t want an obnoxiously weak man. There is a difference. When women say “Men who are comfortable with themselves” and “be yourself” they don’t mean “sit on the couch and do nothing bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:39 PM
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I’m not trying to make a straw man argument. You brought up steroids, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:34 PM
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Still making this shit way too statistical and logical bro. Attraction is the one thing above all others where you have to stop thinking and just be in the moment. I can tell you right now that your mindset is what makes you struggle with dating. You completely lack presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:34 PM
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25 year old with stage 4 cancer? She should complain. Father loses his child? He should complain. Child loses his parents to a genocide in a 3rd world country? Complain. Kid born in America, educated, food on his table, but can’t fuck women unless he works to better himself? GTFOH
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:31 PM
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It depends on how much and often you squat. But you absolutely do not need steroids to be attractive. You don’t need to be this huge muscular guy. If you’re a rail, putting on 10 lbs will be massive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:29 PM
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Scientists have calculated that when you consider the lifespan of a sperm inside of testicles, the fact that it’s competing with 1 billion other sperm, the fact that a woman must be ovulating, and other things like miscarriage, the woman dying, drinking/drug use, etc - we have a one in a trillion chance of even being born. Being born and also ring born into a first world country, as the dominant sentient species? ASTRONOMICAL CHANCES. If I catch myself complaining, I remember that and find grati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:35 AM
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I’m not saying that lifestyle is what’s necessary for getting women. What I am saying is that if YOU believe that women only want x, become x or stop complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:32 AM
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You over logic this shit man. If a chick is cute, and we have a super strong connection, I’ll seek out a LTR with her. I’d take a 7/10 that was into similar things as me and had a similar sense of humor over a 10 who is complete opposite of me. As long as I’m physically attracted ENOUGH, after that personality is what matters for anything outside of a hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:31 AM
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You Incels are way too obsessed with bone structure. A good haircut, good facial hair, fit body, good posture, and good fashion can go a looooooong way towards being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:29 AM
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Heavy compound lifts like squats increase testosterone. So do combat sports like boxing and Jiu Jitsu.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:28 AM
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That’s the point. Losers whine. Winners figure their shit out and overcome it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:25 AM
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“Super dorky science nerd” Absolutely can still get women if he’s confident and true to himself. He probably won’t get ADHD club girls, but there are plenty of cute girls that are into science. “Hard working janitor” Well, he’s probably making like 30-35k a year. If he’s happy in life living in poverty, he’ll have to find a woman that’s also happy in life living in poverty. “5 foot 3 businessman into rock climbing” Can absolutely get women. You’re straight up delusional if you think otherwise. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:01 AM
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Their standards really aren’t too high. Many men perceive their standards to be too high, when in reality you just need to have a decent job, be in okay shape, and have enough social intuition to be a fun, adventurous guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 11:05 PM
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It’s good that you are acknowledging that, but don’t assume that TRP knows the right way to be attractive. Remember - part of critical thinking is investigating your own way of thinking and checking it for errors. I’ve been down the TRP path. It’s an okay start, but it does get a lot of things wrong. If you want to go down a path of true improvement, I recommend two books: “MODELS” By Mark Manson “OPen Her” by Karen Brody The first talks about the lifestyle you need to be attractive, as well as …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 11:04 PM
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You can be a top tier man and want an LTR. In the past two years, I’ve lost fat, put on muscle, gotten a brown belt in BJJ, and started my own business. I strongly believe I’m on the road to being a top tier man, and my wants and desires won’t change. I’ve had casual sex, and after the novelty and ego wears off, you realize that connection is much better than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 10:59 PM
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It’s no different for women. You become sexually attracted first. Then you screen people you find attractive based on personality after that. We men do the same thing. If you don’t want to be willing to do the work to be attractive, don’t complain about the results that you get. It’s incredibly entitled to say “meh why should I have to work for what I want.” It’s so ironic that so manyTRPers are all right wing conservatives who basically want women to give sex and love to charity instead of comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 10:55 PM
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That’s a crap excuse. You lack the confidence, social intuition, and charisma to be attractive, and you want to find something to blame that makes it not your fault. Your ego will literally ruin your life if you don’t take responsibility for your own outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 10:52 PM
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If you don’t think it’s worth it, don’t complain. Plenty of people DO think it is worth it, which is why they do it and you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 10:50 PM
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I agree to an extent. I think moderate feminists try to describe what they want, but don’t do a good job explaining it. TRP is good that it pushes for self improvement, but I don’t think that it correctly understands the dynamics of attraction, and often comes from a place of bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 09:39 PM
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I’m 5 foot 10. I am in good shape, but outside of that, but I’m definitely not anything exceptional. This is all cognitive dissonance. You’re blaming something that’s not your fault because it’s easier than taking responsibility. That weak-mindedness is above all the real reason why you’re unattractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 08:11 PM
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It’s totally possible to have a good job and also have time to enjoy it. It’s called developing a marketable skill where you get paid well for 40-50 hours a week. Or starting your own business where you can take vacation time any time and have it automated. It takes hard work. I know that’s a crazy concept, but it’s do-able.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 06:01 PM
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As a man, you should always be trying to better yourself regardless of women. Women aren’t delusional. Attraction isn’t a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 05:59 PM
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None of this represents my theory. I’m simply saying that if you believe women only like x, you should work to become x instead of whining about it and begging women to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 05:56 PM
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It’s not that hard to get a decent job and not be a fat slob. It’s harder if you have no marketable skills, but you should want to develop those anyway, pussy or no pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 03:08 AM
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Her one example is just not nearly enough evidence for you to draw an overwhelmingly broad conclusion on my dude. Did she say what made him ugly? You’d be amazed at what a good haircut, staying fit, and dressing in clothes that fit you while maintaining good posture can do for your physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 03:07 AM
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I mean, even if it didn’t improve your standing, doing those things still would be worth doing bro. Making more money means financial freedom to travel, but cool things like boats, live in cool ass houses....why does that not seem worth it to you? Because you’d rather sit on the couch and play video games than make something of yourself? Working out doesn’t take up that much time. 45 minutes a day of heavy lifting can help you out on mass and also serve as a networking tool to make new friends. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 03:03 AM
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The study he cited has a sample size of 80 women and their 60 mothers lmao. “Science”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 03:00 AM
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Going to the gym or working to build a better career aren’t changing who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 02:07 AM
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You got a source for that 1% claim you’re making?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 02:05 AM
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Hard to swallow pill: you’re wrong about all of that stuff, but you don’t have the balls to put your ego on the line, risk rejection, and actually try to be the best version of yourself. It’s easier to say “I wouldn’t get it if I would, so what’s the point?” Than it is to fucking do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 01:43 AM
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I just flat out disagree. Unless what you mean by “the man I want to be” is “overweight anti-social misogynist who never gets off the couch.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 01:41 AM
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Then don’t complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 01:35 AM
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That is such a defeatist mindset dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 01:32 AM
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I take salsa dancing lessons, sing, and am very emotionally expressive. I also have been doing BJJ for 14 years and lift weights. Everybody has feminine and masculine traits. Just be true to who you are bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 12:51 PM
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I don’t want to be settled for. Why would anybody want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 09:13 PM
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Yeaaaaah but trust me, it’s a pretty simple analogy. Sorry if it goes over your head, but most people are gonna get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 01:10 AM
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Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it makes no sense bro
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 01:01 AM
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She did something that directly violates the platform. If a well known vegan ate meat, he wouldn’t be a vegan. If she did something unrelated to the feminist platform that was still immoral, like robbing a bank, and people tried to say that she wasn’t a feminist, your argument would have merit. But this is basically the equivalent of a nun praising Satan.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 12:51 AM
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You can’t eat meat and still be a vegan bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 12:48 AM
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She did something that directly opposes the feminist platform. Why would it not be fair to say she isn’t a feminist? When John McCain said he supported gay marriage, Republicans said he isn’t a real republican because he was doing something that is opposite of what Republicans stand for. How is this any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 06:58 PM
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You’re making a very bland assumption and just waaay over logic-inf attraction. I’m 5 foot 10. I am in good shape (which I’ve said Is part of it), have a good haircut and a well groomed 5:00 shadow, and I wear clothes that fit me. Everybody’s standards are different, but I think my girlfriend is pretty hot. She’s a yoga instructor and def has a killer body. If you are doing all of those things (in good shape, dress stylishly, and well groomed) and still don’t get women, you have a shit personali…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 06:16 PM
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But neither of those two things are a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 06:09 PM
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Of course male models make more money when they look good lol. That’s not my point. My point is that in terms of actually being successful with women, your facial structure isn’t nearly as important as your general fitness, fashion sense, and grooming/hygiene. You stay lean, dress nice, get a good haircut, and brush your teeth, you’ll be surprised at how good looking you’ll be if you also have some masculine energy. Speaking of which, masculine energy is hard to explain. I read an entire book on…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 06:09 PM
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Being good looking can be important, but being good looking has little to do with genetics and a lot to do with hygiene, fitness, and fashion (style isn’t as important as wearing clothes that fit well). After that, masculine energy/presence is super important.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 09:59 PM
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No. What I’m saying is that if you use “I wasn’t attractive in high school” as an excuse for failing in the future, you have a victim mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 07:07 PM
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I assume you have a victim mentality because anything other than “what happened in the past doesn’t matter, I will overcome it and figure out how to be successful” is a victim mentality. If you got bullied and blame your lack of success with women on being bullied, you are adopting a victim mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 06:05 PM
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Well based on your other post, it sounds like you do have a victim mentality. I respect that aspect of TRP that says “take control of your life and develop yourself to get what you want” But as somebody who has been learning about social dynamics and attraction/dating science since before TRP even existed, I promise you that a more zen-minded approach will net you 1,000x more success in the long run. TRP has some gaping flaws with their belief system and are wrong about a lot of the “why’s” behi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:39 PM
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Yes, that confidence. Stop having a victim mentality. I’m sorry you got picked on (if you did, I’m assuming from the context of your post this is the case), but I promise you right now that living in bitterness over what happened in high school is 100 times more unattractive than having a mediocre face. You can develop confidence. I know this because I have. All you need to actually look good is to be in decent shape and dress in clothes that fit you. After that, your personality, confidence, fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:29 PM
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They aren’t though. Your perception is that they only care about looks. What they really care about is masculine energy/presence, self confidence, and connection. Men are much more picky about looks than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 04:18 PM
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You mean they have the audacity to want a partner they’re attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 03:29 PM
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There are plenty of attractive women that want to start a family and fall in love, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 02:33 PM
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You could have just ignored the post, but instead you chose to take time out of your day to be negative and discouraging.
/r/seduction10/08/18 02:27 PM
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“Being depressed shows signs of being unstable” I would argue that being depressed is unhealthy emotion. Crying because a loved one died or expressing joy when something awesome happens is within a very normal realm of emotion, and you shouldn’t be afraid to show appropriate emotions at appropriate times. You also shouldn’t be afraid to use the phrase “I feel”. “Being scared of being labeled weak is the main reason men are afraid of reporting depression” I 100% wholeheartedly agree, and this is …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 11:26 AM
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You want me to gather anecdotal evidence and use it as an argument on a debate forum? For the record, I have a girlfriend, and I have no problem showing her emotion. Most normal people are like this. If you’re a confident dude who has goals, stays in shape, listens, etc...she will enjoy seeing you as a normal, healthy human being with emotions. Being emotionally unstable will make you seem weak and dangerous. There’s a difference. I can also say this - being genuine is confident. If you hide you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 10:34 AM
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No she’s not. What she described is very normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 10:23 AM
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You have to be willing to show emotion to be attractive. This is where TRP screws you up. You also need to be emotionally healthy (not overly needy or angry), but having emotions is super necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 10:20 AM
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You read too much. There are plenty of cool women who are also gorgeous. You don’t have to be rich to get one. But here’s the thing - the stuff I mentioned in the previous post - improving your income, improving your personality, social skills, image, etc - you should be doing all of that regardless of women. Even if I am dickless, I’m still working to grow and improve because that’s what makes life meaningful. “The value women being to the table doesn’t justify these standards” Then don’t date …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 01:11 PM
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Where did I say that Incels are entitled to sex? Where did I say men should fix it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 01:09 PM
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Where are you getting this? Where did I say or imply that women won’t date men who make less than them? That’s not at all what I’m saying. I’m saying that if somebody truly is attracted to money, they can’t choose to not be attracted to money. I don’t think women are typically attracted to money. I think they’re attracted to personality traits that correlate with wealth. But I never said or implied that women only like men who make more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 11:43 PM
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“Attraction isn’t a choice” is not proven false by women who don’t date men with higher earnings than them. Those women don’t choose what they’re attracted to, either. People are just different. Just like guys - some prefer thicker women. Some prefer thinner women. Some prefer loud, talkative women. Some prefer shy, quiet women. Women have different preferences. Women have different things they prioritize, but they don’t choose those priorities. Once again, don’t draw conclusions just because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 11:30 PM
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No. Bad debate form is saying “women are attracted to men who make at least 66% more than them” as a blanket, all-encompassing statement. A better statement would be “statistically speaking, women are much more likely to date men who make more than them. If you average all couples together, men typically make 66% more than their wives.” I’m not arguing that women can’t be attracted to men that make less than them. I mentioned earlier in this exchange that I personally dated somebody who made ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 11:22 PM
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But once again, do you know that the 66% thing is a standard? And do you KNOW it’s a choice? I seriously doubt any woman actually consciously thinks “I am attracted to men who make 66%+ more than me. Anything less is an automatic no.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 11:18 PM
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No it doesn’t. That’s just the conclusion you are drawing from it without nearly enough information to draw an actual conclusion. Is attraction a choice, or are there just people who naturally have different standards? Is wealth the cause of the attraction, or is it something that attractive men are more likely to have?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 11:05 PM
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Doesn’t that also contradict the entire OP, then? I’m not saying that doesn’t happen. I’m not even saying it’s the norm. What Im arguing is that if somebody believes that they have to be a certain thing to be attractive, you can’t ask somebody to change what they’re attracted to because attraction isn’t a choice. If we could choose who we were attracted to, nobody would struggle romantically, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 11:00 PM
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If a guy is confident and assertive, but doesn’t make a lot of money, he can find plenty of beautiful women who will find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 10:58 PM
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“Think about women who say to themselves..” Women aren’t genetically saying that to themselves. Women are attracted to assertive, risk-taking men with confidence and protective nature. You are more likely to become wealthy if you possess those traits. When you also factor in the fact that high earning women are more likely to spend a lot of time with men who work with them, it’s very likely that these men are just the ones that they become attracted to, naturally. This is why correlational studi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 10:54 PM
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It’s not the money itself that’s attractive. Women are attracted to confident, assertive men who go for what they want and are willing to take risks. Those personality traits also make you much more likely to be rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 10:34 PM
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Meditation makes you less prone to validation seeking emotions. When you are less validation seeking, a healthy relationship seems great. You can still enjoy casual sex, but you lose the false-bravado “I need to bang lots of hotties Fuck relationships” mentality because you understand that you only felt that way because you thought you were supposed to feel that way.
/r/seduction30/07/18 09:00 PM
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You don’t understand how female to male attraction works if you think women can just say “I’m going to relax my standards” and then suddenly become attracted to somebody that they never otherwise would have been attracted to. You have accurately described how the basis of it works - men are immediately attracted, and women gradually become more attracted. But that also includes the wealthy people that they date. They don’t see a rich man and instantly get a lady boner. It’s actually more likely …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 07:47 PM
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It can be, but that same woman probably won’t date somebody she never feels attraction to. You don’t just say “oh that poor guy is unattractive to me but I should force myself to try and become attracted to him.” She becomes attracted to him after spending time with him, and then they date. Most of the time, women aren’t attracted to men when they first meet them. That doesn’t mean that they can just pick somebody and fall in love just because they feel sorry for them. If you’re worried about yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 05:54 PM
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Why the hell would anybody want to date somebody they’re not sexually attracted to? That’s absurd. I know I sure as hell don’t, and I don’t believe it’s fair to ask somebody else to. Just become more sexually attractive if you don’t like your options. Seriously. So many dudes complain about how women only like this or that - well then get this or that and stop being a professional victim. Life isn’t fair. Do women have some things easier than men? Yeah, they do. Do men have some things easier th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 04:53 PM
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First, what I pointed out was an exaggeration, but the point remains the same. If you’re not attracted to somebody, you won’t ever be happy dating them. And you can’t choose to be attracted to that person. Women do marry “down” in income. It’s not the trend, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. I agree with you that there are other ways to be attractive, and honestly, those ways generally are more attractive than pure income. That being said, men with higher incomes are more likely to posses…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 04:49 PM
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I’m not absolving them of responsibility. Attraction is not a choice. Dating down means “dating somebody you’re not attracted to.” It’s not a choice for men, either. You’re not gonna date a 600 lb chick with a missing eyeball, and if you settled for her, you’d never be happy. Attraction is not a choice. Dating somebody you’re not attracted to is certainly a choice, but you can’t choose to be attracted to somebody.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 04:38 PM
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Attraction isn’t a choice. So there’s nothing they can do. It just kinda sucks for them, tbh. Our culture could shift to not place so much value on earnings, but as long as degrees and high income represent resourcefulness and high status, finding love will be more difficult for high earning women. Edit: I will say this - if you’re a woman, you have to understand that going for a high paying career will make it harder to find love. As long as you’re accepting of that, go for it! But if love is y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 04:33 PM
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If you’re a guy and this bothers you - stop bitching and get a better job.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/18 04:30 PM
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Both men and women, after a certain age, appreciate genuine people who don’t play games.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 02:49 PM
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Most people are like this. It’s an ego thing. This applies to both sides. You should debate to persuade and understand, not to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 12:02 PM
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Sometimes you will creep people out no matter what. But to reduce how often that happens, just be genuine, and don’t make them feel like you won’t take no for an answer.
/r/seduction24/07/18 12:00 PM
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Which one of those definitions fits the description of “radical” as you apply it to this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 10:13 PM
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Ive found going somewhere with activities makes it easier. Karaoke bars are great. A bar that has ping pong tables is another great example. Basically, have a reason to be out other than to just pick up cute girls.
/r/seduction19/07/18 05:06 PM
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Dude lol. You are just flat out wrong and it’s just silly. You’re confusing the words “radical” and “ridiculous”. If you think something is ridiculous, that’s perfectly fine. But something that the vast majority of the developed world supports isn’t radical. If you want to show me one of those definitions you looked up and tell me which one supports your notion that it’s a radical view, be my guest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 10:40 PM
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You’re making a claim that most girls are insecure. I’m sure you have a source for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 10:36 PM
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I believe that you can get laid doing red pill shit. But I also believe it’s only going to work on insecure girls. You ever met a hot ass girl that makes good money, is intelligent, and doesn’t put up with bull shit? Try negging her or playing some stupid game with her instead of just being genuine and see how far that gets you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 03:42 PM
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Be honest about your intentions. Don’t call it a date. Tell her you want to hang out. Make it clear during the hang out that you aren’t lookin for a relationship, but are attracted to her. If she turns you down because she isn’t interested in FWB, that’s fine. Give her the chance to make a decision based on honest information.
/r/seduction18/07/18 03:40 PM
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Okay, so for the first part, you’re dissecting arguments that I have never made. I don’t really know what to say other than I’ve never said that T_D did any of those things. What I can say is that just because SOME feminists say something doesn’t mean it represents the entire population’s opinion. You are taking radicals (we’ll get to that word in a second) and making them represent the entire population. Speaking of radical...you really don’t understand that term lol. Radicalism means simple id…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 02:11 PM
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“Some people did something so everybody who aligns with them must also do the same bad things” Right out of my favorite book “how to fail a Critical Thinking Course”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 11:19 PM
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“Feminists cheer for the assault of people they disagree with” Okay, once again, what a few LOUD people do is not an accurate representation of the majority. Just because some white young men marched in Charlottesville as white supremicists does not mean all young white males are Neo Nazis. Second of all, attacking the character of somebody instead of the argument they make is a logical fallacy. “Free birth control is a radical platform” Can you define the term “radical” for me? I don’t think yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 11:15 PM
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Radical feminism is not the norm. It’s just that radicals always have the loudest voices. You know why people stereotype Christians as angry homophobes? You know why people stereotype Trump supporters as racist white supremicists? Why PETA is known for doing crazy shit like throwing animal blood at people wearing fur? Allowing radicals to skew your perception of something is very normal and most people do it, but it’s always a good thing to try and look past it. The 2-3% is feminists kicking dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 06:10 PM
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No. You are taking arguments that radical feminists make and trying to make them represent actual feminist platforms. Feminists basically just want people like Brock Turner to not walk free after three months. They want our culture to not pressure them to feel like their beauty is more valuable than any other trait they possess. They want abortion to remain legal and accessible. They want birth control for women to remain accessible under standard employment health insurance. They want to end sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 12:50 AM
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I’m not religious at all, but I wouldn’t generalize all Christians into that category, either. Those guys weren’t “scoring” because they were identifying as feminists. They were scoring because they were rich, powerful, connected, successful, charming, and in some cases, good looking. Some random fat guy in a fedora isn’t going to suddenly start getting laid because he calls himself a feminist. There are people who try and be nice to women and kiss their ass with an underlying motive being getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 07:54 PM
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“Feminism doesn’t have anything to do” Yes they do. Just because their problems aren’t as bad as they were in the 20s doesn’t mean that there aren’t still perfectly valid gender issues that should be brought to light. I think that the Me Too movement is overall a good thing - women ARE afraid to speak up about sexual assault, and they shouldn’t be. Rape and sexual assault is fucked up. It should be prosecuted. Shit like Brock Turner should NEVER happen, and the leniency that often comes with it …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 05:21 PM
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But they’re clearly not immune to accusations. I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think that bad people pretending to support a good cause nullifies the legitimacy of the actual cause. If you think the actual cause is bad, make arguments based on how it’s bad, but bad people pretending to trend the cause doesn’t accurately represent the real cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 04:42 PM
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2 dozen. That’s a huuuuuge sample size there bro. I’m now convinced that most feminist men are rapists. Thanks for being so good at science.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 04:40 PM
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“The so-called feminist men have been revealed to be harassers to” All of them? Lol. A few celebs get busted and all of a sudden feminist men are rapists. That’s a big generalization from a small sample size. Anybody who sexually harasses anybody is a trash human. No matter what political affiliation you are. People from all walks of life do it, and people from all walks of life don’t do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:23 PM
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If anybody hates anybody or is bitter towards anybody, it’s wrong. Reds and blues. I don’t know what I am, but I take a moderate feminist outlook on life, and I focus on self acceptance, and treating other people kindly without the desire to get anything in return. I have had plenty of casual sex with that mindset. I currently have a gorgeous girlfriend who is awesome and we have some cool hobbies we do together (BJJ, yoga, karaoke). TRP gets a lot wrong with the bitterness. Radical feminists al…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 12:22 PM
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He doesn’t have a problem with people fixing their lives. He has a problem with them holding sexist views and bitterness towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 12:10 PM
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I was heavily into PUA before TRP was called TRP. 2008-2012. I got more into self improvement and meditation and mindfulness after that, and I read a book called “Open Her” which talks about masculinity from a moderate feminists’ point of view based on evolutionary biology and our culture. I got laid more in 2015 than 2008-2012 combined. I still approached women, but I did it with a much less chauvinistic attitude and a greater sense of self and presence. TRP has some decent ideas, but it’s not …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 12:08 PM
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Uhhh...re-read your title dude
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 03:52 PM
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sigh Correlation does not equal causation. Please don’t cite correlation as proof of anything. It proves that there is a relationship. It does not prove what kind of relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 10:04 PM
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No lol. Man children are fat losers that sit around playing video games all day and do nothing for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 04:14 PM
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To me, it’s a guy who is extremely emotionally immature. A dude who doesn’t want to get a job and provide for himself/take care of himself, a dude who won’t clean up after himself, won’t work out and stay in shape, won’t cook for himself. Basically, it’s a grown ass man who acts like he’s 17.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 03:56 PM
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Moderate feminist man here. A dive bar because that’s the scene that I’ll connect the best with people. It’s really not hard if you just don’t have completely shit self esteem and self respect. Dress in clothes that fit, take a shower, groom your face, and just talk to people like you don’t give a fuck if they like you or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 03:54 PM
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“All men are assholes” “Women don’t like nice guys, they just like jerks” Both are commonly uttered by the opposite sex, and both are incredibly incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 03:52 PM
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Chicks don’t just try and get free drinks from dudes nearly as much as people say. Most of the time, they’d rather spend the 5-10 bucks themselves than deal with some creeper talking to them all night.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 03:51 PM
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This is another example of people making this stuff more complicated than it is. Here are a few key things that the red pill people get wrong. 1 - you don’t have to be “alpha” to be attractive. In fact, if you’re not naturally alpha but try to pretend to be, you will be incongruent and come off as weird. You need to be willing to not be a pushover, and you need to be willing to set and enforce personal boundaries. Women aren’t attracted to extremely weak men. But you don’t have to be alpha...jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 03:49 PM
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Attractiveness makes it more exciting to be in bed with somebody, but women are complicated. There’s a lot more than looks that goes into bed skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 04:55 PM
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You are waaay overthinking the dating scene dude. Like all these labels and shit and making everything so logical and one dimensional. People at the bottom of the dating pool are at the bottom because they sit there and blame society and the opposite sex for their own lack of attractiveness, which they absolutely could fix themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 12:14 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 12:08 PM
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I’m somebody who used to be unattractive and is now pretty attractive. I harbor no resentment towards anybody for finding the old me unattractive because I would feel the same way if I were in their shoes. It feels nice to be wanted. It feels bad to feel unwanted. But I don’t and never will blame the people who did t want me for my own shitty choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 12:02 PM
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She has a point though. I see why you feel that way, but at the same time, if the roles were reversed, who would you have picked? A fat chick with acne and a good personality, or a banging 10 with a shitty personality. Good for you on improving yourself. But don’t be bitter. She chose the more attractive person. Getting rejected hurts, but she didn’t do anything different than 99% of all human beings in the same situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 11:21 AM
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I’m male. It depends on how they rejected me. Being rejected is hurtful, but people have the right to be attracted to what they want to be attracted to, and it is my fault if I get fat and therefore become less attractive. Being bitter towards somebody for liking me less when I was being a lazy shithead is kinda stupid. As long as they weren’t cruel about their rejection, I’d be cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 11:15 AM
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Most direct is drunken creepiness at the club or cat calling. A confident, masculine man with a strong frame risking rejection and embarrassment and telling a woman that he is interested in a confident, non-needy way is one of the sexiest things a man can ever do.
/r/seduction03/07/18 03:36 PM
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You still have the wrong mindset. Don’t use lines. Just genuinely express interest in your own words. Some examples: *youre cute, what’s your name? *Hi *I wanted to come say hello Whatever is the most natural way for you to say “I am interested in you” is your opener. You’ll find that what you say is irrelevant...it’s all about how you feel when you say it.
/r/seduction03/07/18 03:26 PM
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While that’s true, I’ve been doing this for 10 years, and have gone out with plenty of dudes who were not good looking. I’ve seen it all, and I’m telling you that good looking is not necessary to make direct openers work. I’d say being in decent shape and being well groomed is, but I’d say that those things are also important for indirect to work as well.
/r/seduction03/07/18 12:23 PM
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Models is one, and “Open Her” by Karen Brody are the best two pieces of dating material out there.
/r/seduction03/07/18 12:20 PM
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Will do bro subscribed
/r/seduction03/07/18 12:19 PM
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Feel free to PM dude. I’m 28. I wish I knew this stuff when I was first starting out. I wasted some good years figuring this stuff out. One great place to meet women - dancing lessons. Salsa, swing, and ballroom are great choices. First of all, learning how o have a few killer moves for when you start going to weddings is an awesome thing to have, trust me. And women looove a guy who can dance. Aside from that, meetup.com events can be a blast. Charity events not only are filled wth women, but y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 12:18 PM
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Yesss. And sometimes, you don’t ever have to say anything insanely funny at all. I know it sounds weird, but if you just understand how to carry a masculine presence, everything else is bonus. I met my current gf while on a date with a different girl. The girl I met my current gf with - she was alone at a small dog bar. I approached, asked her if she was waiting on a Tinder date. Probably the only non-boring thing I said. After that, we talked about where she was from, her accounting job, and he…
/r/seduction03/07/18 12:13 PM
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An example of what? A direct opener?
/r/seduction03/07/18 12:07 PM
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Reread the book. You’re off. There’s a lot more to it than that my dude.
/r/seduction02/07/18 11:48 PM
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You’ve been lead down the wrong path. Forget DHVs and push pull and all that other game bull shit. Buy two books - “Models” and “The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck” both by an author named Mark Manson.
/r/seduction02/07/18 11:43 PM
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Amazing book. Same author also wrote a book called “Models” that talks about dating. Strongly recommend it - it’s better than any traditional PUA material you’ll ever read.
/r/seduction02/07/18 11:40 PM
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Looks are not what women’s attraction is primarily based off of. This is what you need to understand. Get a good haircut and wear clothes that fit and groom yourself. That’s all you need to be good looking enough to get a hot girl. But being good looking enough isn’t enough to get a girl. Stop thinking that your jawline and bone arrangement on your face are what matter because they don’t. Even doing those things I mentioned - it’s not even about looking good. It’s about respecting yourself. You …
/r/seduction02/07/18 11:39 PM
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Indirect is fine if you’re still showing intent. The words you say aren’t really what’s seducing her. It’s your sub communication. Two identical twins can say the same opener, direct or indirect, and get different results because of how they’re feeling as they deliver the opener. When I open, my attitude is basically “she’s cute, I’m gonna talk to her and see if we like each other, but it’s cool if we don’t connect.” Im showing intent through eye contact and kino and even light compliments withi…
/r/seduction02/07/18 10:05 PM
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No, you are 100% wrong. Handsome is not what it’s about. A good image and a good frame are. Handsome helps a little bit, but wearing clothes that fit, having good body language, and expressing non-neediness through sub communication is sooooo much more important than handsomeness. I’ve been doing this shit for 10 years dude. Trust me, it’s not your bone structure or your jaw line.
/r/seduction02/07/18 09:59 PM
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Very true. Most traditional game teaches a bandaid fix instead of focusing on what makes you a better person. I’m an old school guy. Started at 18 (I’m 28 now) and memorized every routine in the book. Stacked routines, did everything technically “correct”. Had limited success despite being a decent looking guy. Made friends with this dude who is actually now starting a company as an instructor in Austin, TX, and went on a three year journey to better myself. It’s amazing how much different of a …
/r/seduction02/07/18 09:57 PM
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Let me correct some semantics here because in this case, they’re important. Instead of “she either thinks you’re hot or she doesn’t” you need to rephrase it to “she either thinks you’re attractive or she doesn’t.” There is a big difference. It’s not about looks as much as image and attitude. In this case, you probably approached her indirectly, but you were secretly hoping to turn it into something. She knows you were hoping it would turn into something. Your lack of willingness to show intent i…
/r/seduction02/07/18 09:51 PM
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I do agree, but the best way to help new people the fastest is to focus on the inner problem. I know I could say “you’re perdy” and still do okay as an opener because I have the right mindset. I spent about two years saying “you’re cute, what’s your name?” as my only opener, and probably did literally over 1,000 approaches with it. If the guy is anxious, lacking confidence, and buried in his head, let’s focus on fixing those issues instead of feeding him better lines as a band-aid.
/r/seduction02/07/18 09:48 PM
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Just don’t be needy and it won’t happen. Strong frame + good listener = you’re a huge catch. Weak frame + good listener = friend zone. Strong frame + bad listener might get you laid, but you’ll never keep anybody around unless they’re low self esteem. You need both.
/r/seduction02/07/18 09:34 PM
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Incel salt is giving me heart problems
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 09:11 PM
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Tacos can fly isn’t creative. I thought of it literally right now. Sorry, I’m not trying to be abrasive or fight with your or put you down. Just understand that “you’re perdy” with the right attitude is 100x better than “those are really cool shoes” or any other perfect compliment if you’re feeling needy.
/r/seduction02/07/18 09:08 PM
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Too many guys in game focus on what to say instead of how you’re saying it and why you’re saying it. I’ve been doing this for 10 years. I will open a chick by saying “tacos can fly” and I promise it will Work better than some scrub using the perfect “line”. Sub communication is EVERYTHING. When I say everything, I mean literally it is 90% of game. Stop putting pressure on yourself to be creative and witty. That’s not actually what it’s about. Yes, those things are good, but it’s more about sub c…
/r/seduction02/07/18 08:46 PM
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Direct can work fine even in 10s. It’s all about your attitude as you make the approach
/r/seduction02/07/18 08:31 PM
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Polarization is the single most important concept to understand. You don’t necessarily have to go to activities related to gaming. You just talk about it. If somebody asks you your interests, you just mention it. You’ll find women who are into those types of games. You’ll find women who aren’t, but who don’t mind that you are. And you’ll find women who are turned off by it. But that’s what you want - be the most true version of yourself and polarize people. Force them to make a judgment on the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 03:36 AM
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Nah, you shouldn’t neglect pursuing relationships with women...you just shouldn’t neglect pursing a strong social circle, either. Balance is important. A man who lives a balanced life will have no problems finding women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 05:49 PM
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My best friend got married at 25 to a 23 year old girl. Stop generalizing, stop blaming women for your rejections and work on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 04:50 PM
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True masculinity is what men lack. Most are either massive pussies, or they try to act as “alphaa” and overcompensate for their lack of self confidence and self acceptance. Read the book “Open Her” by Karen Brody.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 10:39 PM
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Some tips 1 - pursue passion first. If you love poker and it’s all dudes, play the fuck out of poker. When you meet women who aren’t into poker, they’ll still appreciate the fact that you do something you love. 2 - Then hike with the 25 year olds. I know it feels like a waste of time, but women are drawn towards men who do what they want and follow passion. Invest in yourself. Also, when you hit 25, women love hiking. Hot women love hiking. Learn the trails, get in shape for it, have a few kille…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 02:12 AM
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I mean what’s your social activity? Knitting? Surely there are things you are interested in that younger people also like. As far as “mostly males” goes - I assume you’re talking about gaming. I’m a nerd. I play Warcraft 3, Overwatch, and hearthstone. I can assure you that there are plenty of hot ass chicks that like nerdy games. And if you wear it with pride instead of feeling insecure about it, even the ones who don’t will usually be cool with it if you’re a cool guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:48 PM
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I’m 28. The problem is with the men, but it’s not their fault. Men my age and younger and just conditioned to be weak. And the ones who realize that go the wrong way about fixing it...like TRPers that are obsessed with the idea of being t “manly” and expressing “alphaness” to showcase how non-weak they are. All of that shit is just more weakness and insecurity in disguise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:45 PM
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Sorry, I confused you with u/professorganyemede who originally responded to my post
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 04:48 PM
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You don’t have to use the word “causation”. It’s pretty clear that you’re convinced that the relationship between number of partners and divorce rates are beyond just correlational, otherwise you would have cited additional studies to go along with that one, or been more specific about it. Instead, you cited that study as if it was proof that number of partners causes marriages to fail, and that study alone is not enough to make that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 04:21 PM
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I mean if the average is 2.6 then it’s 2.6. Maybe I ran with a more promiscuous crowd, but....That still doesn’t change the fact that your citing a correlations study as if it’s proving causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 04:02 PM
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Correlation does not equal causation. 10 partners is actually incredibly low. I’m a guy, which means that casual sex comes much less easily to me, and I’ve had over 30 partners. I believe that anybody with less than 10 partners is either very religious, or very introverted and more likely to stay in a marriage out of comfort, even if the marriage sucks. Maybe not, who knows. But there are a bajillion different reasons for that statistic other than “having sex with multiple people somehow changes…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 03:16 PM
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No. How many people you’ve slept with when you’re young and stupid has nothing to do with your ability to be a good partner in a healthy relationship when you’ve matured. According to psychology, it’s your attachment style that leads to your success in relationships. Women of all attachment styles have casual sex. Women of all attachment styles also sometimes don’t have a lot of casual sex. Interestingly enough, men with very needy attachment styles tend to get very little to no casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 03:06 PM
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Nobody considers men disposable. That’s an exaggeration. There’s no need to be overly dramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 12:12 PM
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There are mysoginistic men who get women and there are mysoginistic men who don’t. There are men who identify as feminist who get women, and there are men who identify as feminist who don’t. What TRPers see as “alpha” behavior really isn’t about being “alpha”. It’s about being genuine to oneself and not letting people walk all over you. I do fine with women. I have had plenty of casual sex, and am currently in a relationship. I treat her with respect but also demand that she treats me with respe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 02:52 PM
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The more you think of it as a game with a ton of standards to go by, the worse you’ll do. It’s really simple - be a strong, genuine version of yourself, go for chicks who have similar interests, and show intent without being weird about it.
/r/seduction25/06/18 05:57 PM
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The point is to actually become full of love, not to fake it
/r/seduction23/06/18 11:20 PM
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Reddit hates TRP because they are incredibly arrogant about their very incorrect views that come from a place of bitterness. It has nothing to with being nerdy - Reddit has nothing against r/Leagueoflegends for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 05:44 PM
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Just because you can’t handle the truth doesn’t mean I’m being an asshole. The world works how it works. Either cry about it or adapt. Nature is harsh, and only adapters survive. You can choose to be upset by what I’m saying, or you can choose to acknowledge that it’s the way the world works, and adjust accordingly. What you’re doing is basically like an insurance salesman saying “fuck all these customers why should I have to call them they should call me those entitled pricks!!”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:59 AM
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Lol. This is such an bitter way to view how dating works. Just stop being a pussy and blaming women for your lack of success. Go approach. Women are attracted to men with balls. You’re attracted to hot women. Men with balls approach hot women and get hot women. Hot women have guys with balls approach them. You can either whine about the game or play it and get gold at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:49 AM
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Models is a much better book than anything else you’ll ever read. It’s somewhat counterintuitive to some of the conventional PUA advice, but it’s much better because it lets you be a more “normal” person who just also happens to attract women that share common interests with you.
/r/seduction18/06/18 01:32 AM
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Models is by far the best dating advice men can possibly get. It’s so much more...”normal” than standard PUA stuff.
/r/seduction18/06/18 01:29 AM
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Because attraction doesn’t work the way driving a car does. When people say “you need to be confident to be attractive” they don’t mean “confident that you can get a girl.” You need to be all-around comfortable with yourself. You need true confidence in yourself, not confidence in a specific ability. It’s not about being “good with girls”. Dude I’ve been down the path you’re going. I was into PUA for years back in 2007-2012, before TRP existed. Learning how to act a certain way gets you limited …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 05:22 PM
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“When I get a couple FWB I’ll be even more confident” You think you will, but that’s not true. It’s the other way around. And stop thinking of it as confidence. It’s self acceptance. You feel inadequate or undeserving. You won’t get FWB by acting confident because it’s an act, and you can’t keep a fake act going forever. You may get the occasional one night stand from a drunk club girl, and then when you run out of material or can’t keep the act up, she will nope the fuck out. And then you feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 04:51 PM
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It hurts you in the long run because you’re trying to focus on changing behaviors instead of changing your outlook and attitude. The difference between learning how to act confident and learning how to be confident is so vast, and the long term benefits are night and day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 04:36 PM
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You really read into that wrong. You basically saw it and interpreted it as the worst possible outcome. Just have a positive, outgoing attitude, be open minded, wear clothes that fit, and always find the fun in life. You’ll attract women if you actually accomplish these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 09:31 PM
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This is something guys who do material/routine-based pickup struggle with. Here is a concept I want everybody to understand: YOU MUST SHOW INTENT You are a man. You are attracted to her. As a man, you are assertive and go for what you want, even if it is a risk. Every time you escalate touch, you are showing intent. You are sub-communicating “I am a man and I am attracted to you, and I’m not ashamed of that.” To put it simply - take the risk. There’s no 100% smooth way to escalate physicality. Y…
/r/seduction16/06/18 11:07 AM
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Agree 100% brother.
/r/seduction16/06/18 10:53 AM
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Yeah, good points. Let me clarify what I meant and distinguish “sub-communication” with non-verbal communication. Sub-communication is the overall message you are sending beyond what you’re saying. It’s a combination of verbal and non-verbal, but your non-verbal plays a much bigger role than your verbal. You really want to sub-communicate a few things: *Im comfortable with myself *I’m interested in you *I don’t need you and am okay with your rejection *I’m safe and non-threatening *I will mainta…
/r/seduction16/06/18 02:35 AM
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Best pure game-related book - “Models” by Mark Manson. But you need to learn about more than just game. I definitely recommend lots of reading and applying. Flow by Mihalay C to learn about presence. Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck by Mark Manson to also learn about presence. The Marshmellow Test is a great book to learn about self discipline. Open Her by Karen Brody is an incredible book on masculinity, its role in evolutionary biology, how it transfers into modern times, and how to properly ap…
/r/seduction16/06/18 02:27 AM
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No he wouldn’t lol. Actually just go look at what he’s doing. Read his latest book “The Truth”. He would absolutely not teach routines.
/r/seduction15/06/18 10:43 PM
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Style doesn’t recommend routines anymore. Most of the guys from that era teach almost exclusively inner game and self improvement.
/r/seduction15/06/18 10:26 PM
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Exactly. In fact, if you follow him now, he never talks about routines. He is a 100% inner game coach.
/r/seduction15/06/18 07:40 PM
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Omg haha.
/r/seduction15/06/18 06:41 PM
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I’m telling you, I went through outer game training. I very much regret the time I spent learning techniques and routines because it was time not spent developing inner game. Very much regret that time. I know this is the internet and we like to win arguments on the internet, but for your own improvement and the improvement of anybody you care about that you may mentor, just consider that I may be right about this. I have over a decade of experience of this, and I’ve been on both sides of the co…
/r/seduction14/06/18 09:53 PM
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I wish it was. It does seem like people preach seduction techniques over improvements to become a natural much more often.
/r/seduction14/06/18 09:49 PM
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I’m a guy who sides with the blue pill/progressive side 90% of the time. I think it’s fine for this dude to have preferences. Sometimes your preferences are asking too much based on how attractive you are, but having preferences is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 08:27 PM
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Uuhhhh...good bot?
/r/seduction13/06/18 08:24 PM
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If you have enough inner game, outer game is very minor adjustments. All outer game is supposed to do is communicate non-neediness while simultaneously polarizing her into a yes or no by communicating intent in. If you are truly not a needy person, you’re just going to communicate that stuff naturally anyways. That’s the whole point behind all of that stuff. I spent years following rules. Approach, false time constraint, body rock, transition, ignore target and win over group, address target, is…
/r/seduction13/06/18 08:23 PM
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“If I asked a PUA for advice and he told me to meditate, I would slap him” You’d be slapping pretty much any credible top PUA then. James Marshall, anybod from RSD, Shane Orton, Neil Strauss...you name it. Look dude, I don’t care to argue. I’ve been doing this since 2007. I’m not just talking out of my ass. I know exactly why you think the way you do...I saw things the same way for years, but years of experience has taught me to see things differently. Teaching techniques and outer game just isn…
/r/seduction13/06/18 02:23 PM
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I’ve been into game since before The Game was even written. I’m not saying that teaching push-pull is a bad thing, but I can tell you very confidently that just making “principles of game” without context or explaining/understanding WHY something works does more harm than good. How do you teach somebody to not be needy? I tell them to learn to meditate. I tell them to go pick up hobbies they are passionate about. Hell, just understanding what neediness is and why it is bad can help people shift …
/r/seduction13/06/18 01:47 PM
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It’s like this - showing interest is very important. Showing neediness is bad. Showing interest without showing neediness is how you succeed. Push/Pill is a way to do that, but not the only way, and teaching the technique of push/pull instead of teaching men how to just not be needy is why PUA gets such a bad rep.
/r/seduction13/06/18 01:20 PM
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Stop overthinking this shit. Just becomes better you, be a better communicator, and go for attractive women that have similar interests. Also, you really don’t have to show disinterest when you show interest. Making that a hard rule is going to mess you up. Sometimes push-pull is good, but every girl is different, and it’s important to read the situation and the girl. Genuine compliments can be a very good thing, as long as they’re truly genuine and not about something that she gets complimented…
/r/seduction13/06/18 12:45 PM
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Great book - “Open Her” by Karen Brody. Basically, women aren’t attracted to assholes, but assholes are more likely to carry attractive traits. If you had options, you would choose a bitchy hot chick over a cool fatty (or at least, most men would). The good news is that you can have attractive traits without being an asshole, and if you can do both, you are pretty much the ultimate catch for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 10:57 AM
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I’ve said I’m a moderate feminist. I don’t take anything to the extremes, but I side with 90%+ of their platforms. You really want to win an argument, not have a discussion. This isn’t about learning perspective or sharing perspective. It’s about winning and feeding your ego. Soooooooo I’m probably done with this conversation. Have a good one bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 02:24 PM
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Dude, I’m not a feminist because I give a shit about people being annoyed. I’m a feminist because people like Brock Turner spent 3 months in jail for raping an unconscious woman at a party while neckbeards across the internet blamed her for drinking too much. It’s okay to annoy somebody for 3 seconds to see if they’re interested in you, just like it’s okay for a sales person to annoy somebody for 3 seconds to see if there interested in hearing a product presentation. It’s when you’re pushy beyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 02:05 PM
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I’m not saying when it’s okay. I’m saying “here’s how to approach where you’re most likely to be successful and least likely to bother somebody” You are waaaaaay over-intellectualizing a simple concept my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 01:46 PM
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No, and I don’t know why you’re saying that. I give them an offer, and let them decide what’s best for them. I take up 3 seconds of their time if it’s a no.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 12:05 PM
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The majority of TRP and MGTOW are overweight geeks that play video games all day and wonder why a hot ass chick who invests time into being attractive won’t let them smash.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 10:26 PM
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There already is. Society will continue. The harsh reality of this world is this - the world is unfair. But unlike some species or even human cultures, you actually do have the power to change your life. So I don’t feel bad for sexless men. They’re choosing that lifestyle. I feel bad that they may have been conditioned into shitty habits that lead them to their unhappiness, but anybody can have some dating success if they work in themselves and develop a good enough attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 01:05 PM
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Stop complaining and adapt. It’s basic evolution. Survivors adapt. Rabbits who whine about how it’s unfair that hawks can fly don’t survive. Rabbits that get faster do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 01:29 AM
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OP’s article doesn’t mean anything to me. I don’t feel like she owes me politeness, and I don’t have any idea how she’ll respond, but as a human being who goes for what he wants, I do try. If she says no, I’m gone and never return. I don’t care if people have issues with my approach because it fits within my moral boundaries, and it’s the exact same mentality I have with my sales career.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 06:58 PM
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Lol same. I do BJJ, have fought cage fights, am a sales manager and definitely a leader within my personality. I don’t worship women or put them on pedestals, and I like mostly “guy” stuff like sports and video games. I just also think that women who have casual sex aren’t doing anything wrong as long as they’re not hurting anybody intentionally, and I try to respect the fact that women want to be judged on things other than just their outer beauty. The idea that every male who is a feminist is …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 06:02 PM
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Yeah. I understand and respect that. Which is why I always take no for an answer and genuinely wish any “no” I get the best of luck. And honestly, being really into sub-communication and vining, I believe I get less no’s because of that. Neediness isn’t displayed as much in what you say as how you say it and how you feel while you say it. I’ll also say this though - small talk does suck. And men should try to not make small talk, even in an approach. Small talk is fake and never genuine. When so…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 03:11 PM
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Guy here who has had some success approaching random women in public - I’ve found being willing to gracefully take no for an answer is the key here. Some women don’t like being approached at all, like you. Some just aren’t interested in me. For some, it’s the wrong time and they have something going on in their mind. I’ll just be like “cool, no hard feelings, have a good day” and leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 02:05 PM
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I’m a guy but also a moderate feminist. If you approach politely, in a situation where she isn’t alone with only you (meaning she doesn’t have to worry about you raping her or something), you make your intentions clear, you smile, and you are 100% prepared to graciously accept no as an answer without being butthurt or insulting her, approaching is fine. The problem is most guys approach with neediness, try to conceal their intentions initially, and/or start insulting the girl when she says no.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 02:02 PM
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I just want to say that Models is the only book there that actually holds up to modern dating. Get away from the Mystery Method/M3 Method/Magic Bullets crap for real man. The more you try to turn dating into a logical process, the more you're going to just be weird to normal ass people. This isn't an insult or anything. I've read most of those books, and I've been into dating psychology since before The Game was written. Best 3 books you can read for dating: 1 - Models - Mark Manson 2 - The Subt…
/r/seduction07/06/18 05:20 PM
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To a point I agree, but when people make it too logical, it’s more of a chore than an emotional connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 12:06 PM
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People over analyze the shit out of dating and that’s the real problem. Just pursue your interests, learn to love yourself, and polarize women into a hard yes or a hard no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 02:05 AM
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Both genders have people who want hookups and both genders have people who want relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 03:05 PM
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Trust me - Red Pill guys are not anything close to the norm. Love your life. Edit: also, pick up a cool hobby. I’m 28 and love Jiu Jitsu. At this point in my life, I’d take an average looking girl who shares my passion for Jiu Jitsu over a supermodel who didn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 10:39 AM
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If I had a friend who was cheating on his girl, I wouldn’t want to be around him. It takes a certain level of narcissism to cheat, and I don’t want to be around somebody with that kind of personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 04:25 AM
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Work out. Eat healthy. Brush your teeth. You do these things, you stay sexy until you’re in your mid 40s. Hell, some of the women I do yoga with are in their 50s and still look alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 04:24 AM
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Because a lot of Red Pill “truths” are just self fulfilling prophecies. Perception is reality. What does my current gf do for me? Great conversation. Listens to me. We laugh at each other’s jokes. We have awesome sex. We pick up other girls together. We play video games together. Company. Companionship. Empathy. Really, it’s not that hard find a great girl if you have your shit together, stay in decent shape, and are emotionally stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 08:11 PM
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“I don’t have any source to back up my claims/beliefs, and the beliefs that you have are crazy even though science supports it” Lol later dude
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 06:23 PM
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This is a debate forum. If you can’t provide a source, you aren’t saying anything worth addressing. You are making a claim based purely off of feelings without any tangible evidence. I’ve offered possible alternative explanations to your ANECDOTAL CORRELATIVE EXAMPLES you are providing. Instead of providing sources, you’re dancing around it and dodging it by attempting to imply that sources aren’t necessary. Yes, they are necessary. I don’t believe you because my experience is different than you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 03:32 PM
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I view numbers differently than most lol. 5 is average, 6 is slightly above average, 4 is slightly below average. But even if she was a 10, I’d be suspicious, like there were ulterior motives behind her speaking with me. Seems like a good way to wake up in a bathtub full of ice with a missing kidney.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 01:37 PM
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Source bud. Gonna need to slap a source on dat claim. “I don’t care what science says. My beliefs are right and their evidence is wrong.” Are you religious, by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 01:22 PM
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Right, but you’re making a claim that no wealthy person ever has been considered unattractive. Because you said that as a response to my post before that that distinguished women with mental issues using men and women genuinely sexually attracted to men, you’re also claiming that there is no wealthy man out there that’s not considered sexually attractive. There are a lot of claims you’re making with no sources; those are just a few of them. Do you disagree with all of the PhD psychologists on wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:29 PM
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Got any sources for these claims? I’ll be happy to back up my claims with psych studies if you like. I was a psych major in college and wrote quite a few papers on sexual and romantic attraction. It’s be tedious to go back through all my notes, but I’d be happy to. Do you have any sources for claims like “in the vast majority of species, the female prefers the male with resources” and “no wealthy men are unattractive”? Or is this just purely anecdotal?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 08:19 PM
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But how do you know that those trust fund babies don’t also possess those qualities? Do you truly believe that there are no wealthy men that are also unattractive? To be clear - there are women who specifically chase money. I also think that they don’t feel sexual attraction towards most of the men they fuck...they just have personality disorders that makes them value their own status more than their true desires. But I don’t think that’s why most women want men who are successful. Evolutionary …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 06:24 PM
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The problem with a lot of TRpers is that you oversimplify female to male attraction. Just because you see women attracted to wealthy men doesn’t mean that they’re attracted to wealth. How do you know that they’re not attracted to personality traits that also happen to be traits that help people become rich? For example, most wealthy men are assertive, risk takers, and set/enforce boundaries. Maybe it’s not the money itself, but maybe those traits are actually what is attractive. Going strictly b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 06:07 PM
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Lmao that’s a bs excuse and deep down, you know it. First of all, it’s a piss poor analogy because not everything loses value when it’s used. In order for that to have any merit, it would be to be universal, which it’s not. A house, for example, increases in value when it is used. A guitar teacher or a personal trainer costs a lot more if he/she has more experience. It’s clear that you lack sexual experience, because vaginas are also way better with experience. A virgin doesn’t know what she’s d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 07:17 PM
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Still not an answer to my question. I’m starting to think you don’t have one 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 07:10 PM
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I did answer your question. Because it’s used. It’s still a horrible analogy. Vaginas are not cars. Now answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 06:48 PM
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It doesn’t matter what you say. The only thing that matters is frame control, which is determined by sub-communication. Your body language, vocal tones, etc. being witty also helps, but ultimately, it’s the sub-communication that determines who “wins”.
/r/seduction29/05/18 10:57 AM
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I’ll say this - what you say isn’t that important. Its how you feel when you say it. If you truly believe it’s funny and have fun saying it, it’ll work. It would be a strange thing to say in my country though.
/r/seduction29/05/18 10:53 AM
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Lol please don’t do this one
/r/seduction29/05/18 10:46 AM
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Pat him on the back, smile, and say “hahahaha bro you’re so alpha. I bet you’re going to fuck every girl in here.”
/r/seduction29/05/18 10:46 AM
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“Please provide a source for the claim you just made” “Not gonna debate with an obvious troll” 😂 Edit: for real though, I’m not trolling. I legitimately want to know what “science” there is behind this. Edit 2: A quick google search turned up absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 10:21 AM
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Lol still dodging the question. I’m just assuming you’re not gonna actually respond. It’s a silly question - it’s a thing that wears out over time, and it’s used. That means it’s closer to being unusable anymore. I get what you mean with your analogy. You want me to say “because it’s used” so that you can be like “same for vaginas”. That flaw in your logic is that cars aren’t vaginas. For your analogy to be true, everything used would have to lose value, which isn’t true. Houses, for example, ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 06:57 PM
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If I knew, I wouldn’t be asking. But honestly, I don’t believe YOU know the science, either. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be making silly analogies as a means of dodging my question and would actually be answering it. And if you’re gonna use science, please include sources. This is a debate forum, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 05:04 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 02:57 PM
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Can you explain how?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 12:11 PM
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I mean, define promiscuous. If she’s had unprotected sex with drug addicts, I’d take the chaste one. If she has just had awesome sex and knows how to orgasm and what her kinks are, I’d take the adventurous one. Sex is a lot more fun with a girl that knows her own body and knows how to get off.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 07:35 AM
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Okay, but I can explain to you exactly why a car loses value when it’s used. Can you tell me why a vagina loses value when it’s used? Otherwise, that’s a shit analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 07:25 AM
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I am a dude
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 03:29 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 12:04 AM
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I mean, if a girl isn’t as sexually into you as she was with previous men, that’s your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 12:04 AM
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Where did anybody say anything about not getting the same treatment? Sure, I’d agree that if somebody put in more effort for somebody else than me, that would be a problem. Is that the only scenario where adventurous or kinky sexual past experiences would be a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 09:16 PM
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I’ll never understand why dudes care what a girl’s past sex experience as like. Like who gives a fuck if she’s had crazy sex with other people? How does that change the present situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 07:39 PM
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I don’t think you are going to change, but I wish you the best of luck. You remind me of myself when I was 20. Hopefully you figure it out faster than I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 12:17 AM
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No, what I’m saying is that you think you were rejected for showing emotion because you were rejected while showing emotion. But it wasn’t the emotion and vulnerability itself that got you rejected. It was neediness and insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 12:15 AM
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I am on mobile and don’t know how to use the quote feature on my phone, so forgive me for that. I’m a n00b. “He feels like he’s not a man.” Is that not the definition being “emasculated?” “Masculinity isn’t toxic” This is where both sides screw it up. First of all, I 100% acknowledge that the feminist side of the gender issues debate screw up by failing to differentiate healthy masculinity and toxic masculinity, which is confusing for people. Toxic masculinity doesn’t refer to all masculinity. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 06:33 PM
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The fact that you view getting positive attention as a “reward” for good behavior is the real problem here dude. Women do “reward” men who show emotion and vulnerability. Your perception is that they don’t, but they 100% do. Women are generally not attracted to needy men, or men who can’t control their emotions, but that’s not the same thing as lacking emotions or being unwilling to be vulnerable. You cannot form a connection with somebody without being vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 06:03 PM
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“It’s not feasible for somebody to be motivated without support” Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 05:32 PM
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I recommend the book Flow by Mihalay C. It distinguishes happiness and pleasure and explains the difference. Yes, validation feels good, but it’s not what creates happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 05:16 PM
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First I just want to say - I understand why you feel that way because I have felt that way before. For us men, it LOOKS to be that way, but there’s a lot more to it. You can and should express yourself. You should express vulnerability. But you should also not be needy. Learning to not be needy is an internal process that takes self reflection, self investment, and honesty with yourself. No amount of acting “alpha” and bottling emotions can fix neediness. Fixing it comes from fully and truly acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 05:15 PM
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Okay, I see what you mean. I agree with you that gender roles play a big part of this, he let me explain why I still think that expression is the biggest root cause. A man feels like if he isn’t the bread winner, he’s emasculated. But he can’t express that emasculation because he feels like that level of vulnerability makes him look weak. So instead he bottles it and overcompensates with toxic masculinity. On the other hand, if he could actually sit down with his significant other and say “I fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 10:26 AM
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Haha it literally translates to “end thread” in need language. It’s an old HTML coding reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 10:18 AM
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Example? Because a lot of the time, even those things tied to gender roles can also be tied to lack of emotional expression.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 10:11 AM
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I’m sorry you feel that way
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 03:09 AM
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If you need other people’s approval and validation to feel happy, you are an insecure person. That is basically the definition of insecure. I don’t mean that in an unkind way. Just reflect on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 02:42 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 02:33 AM
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He is responsible for his own happiness. But if you want to be an awesome girlfriend - support his dreams. Support his hobbies. Ask him what he likes in bed and communicate what you like. Make him feel comfortable and safe with vulnerability. Tell him when he’s fucking up, but make it come from a place of wanting to see him grow, not wanting to win an argument. At least, these are the things I value immensely in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 01:23 AM
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Men are conditioned to feel like they can’t express their real emotions. This is the single biggest cause of most of the social gender issues that plague both sides. If men felt like they could express themselves and be vulnerable, they would. If they’d do that, most of the issues would be greatly reduced.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 01:19 AM
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Old Internet forum term. Basically means the post I’m responding to won the thread, and there’s no need for anybody to even say anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 10:52 PM
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/thread
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:35 PM
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Oh sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:26 AM
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First guy to answer. I’m insanely attracted to an athletic body and long hair. I like brunettes with tan skin, but that’s more preference. I lift. I like girls who lift. Not full on bodybuilders, but toned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:17 AM
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I would say some of those things are a good thing. You’re unique. Just own them. Dress in a a way that reflects that identity. Maybe grow a funky mustache or a beard. I could see hot hipster girls going for you.
/r/seduction15/05/18 01:00 PM
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Fun conversation, good sex, good cuddles, an adventure partner to do fun stuff with, companionship, picture of dogs I see when I’m out and about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:27 PM
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That’s not what the book is about. It’s about the definition of true masculinity and how our society has been robbed of it. She is a sex and relationship therapist, one of the highest paid therapists in the country, and has helped stitch together a lot of relationships that were failing. It wouldn’t benefit her to be biased. She profits by doing what works. Check out the book.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 01:45 PM
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Lying is a short term results kinda thing. Red Pill always talk about “alpha”, but not being your true self and telling people what they want to hear because you’re afraid of rejection is the most “beta” way you can possibly act. There are plenty of women that are cool with hook ups. Seriously. Just tell them at in appropriate time that you’re just looking for something casual. Say it in a way where you are perfectly fine with them walking away if it’s not what they want. Even the women who walk…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:39 PM
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Read the book “Open Her” by Karen Brody. It usually is the man’s fault because he stops courting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:26 PM
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I recognize that it’s a statistic, but in the context of how it was used, I don’t think it’s far fetched to believe that it’s assigning some blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 02:19 PM
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“70-90% of marriages are ended by the women” Definitely seems like they’re blaming primarily women. That’s one person, and doesn’t necessarily represent the whole TRP, but that’s not the first time I’ve seen that study cited.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 02:03 PM
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You show masculine energy by communicating honest intent without fear of rejection You polarize and build value by showing your true self and not wearing a mask or sugarcoating your thoughts You build trust by showing vulnerability and talking about your goals, ambitions, and thoughts You escalate physically the entire time, calibrating to her, the environment, and the emotional stage the two of you are at. Trust me - 10+ years of doing this shit. This is the real model.
/r/seduction11/05/18 01:39 PM
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“70-90% of women want out of the for-life vow that they made” Do those studies have any data indicating whether or not it’s the woman’s fault that the marriage collapsed? Studies probably would show that 100% of people who buy timeshares want to get rid of the timeshare - the Timeshare company isn’t the one who wants to end the contract. If you bought something expecting one thing, and that one thing overtime turns out to be something else, you’re not wrong to want to get rid of it. To be clear …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 01:17 PM
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“I blame men for marrying bad women” That’s the point of OP though. Bad women aren’t the only reason marriages fail. It seems like that’s what TRP believes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 01:12 PM
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The N word was orgjnally just a synonym for “fool”. By the strictest definitions, you could try to argue that it’s okay to say it because it technically means “fool”, but culture and usage have given it a different meaning. The same really applies to the term “incel”. There’s nothing wrong with being a male virgin. There’s nothing wrong with being sad about loneliness. There is something wrong about living life as a victim instead of taking matters into your own hands. Incels don’t refer to lone…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:49 PM
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r/jokes is popular, and it hasn’t been banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:45 PM
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The vast majority of people in cults don’t harm anybody. They’re still considered dangerous because of the rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:45 PM
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Hard to say. Elliot Rogers never specifically referenced r/Incels, but he definitely spouted the ideology. Regardless, if you think a bunch of frustrated loners with mental health issues talking about rape and murder isn’t dangerous, then you have a warped view on danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:26 PM
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Yeah, I get your point, but the Koran is a holy text written by one person/a few people. The sub was a discussion going on daily by many, many people. It’s still kind of different. Religion is dumb, but incedom really is very comparable to a religion in terms of how people use groupthink and denial of science to make conclusions about the way their lives should be lived.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:24 PM
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Whyyyyyyy lol this thread really doesn’t work without citing an example. This is a debate forum where we’re not allowed to cite sources? For real?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:02 PM
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Their subreddit has enough posts encouraging violence and rape that it got banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:01 PM
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I want to be clear - no always means no. I am much more on the BP side than the RP side of things, but the idea that asking a chick for consent every step of the way blows my mind - I have a lot of female friends that I know very well, and there is no way that any of them would still fuck somebody if they asked permission to take their pants off instead of just reading the situation and escalating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:00 PM
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I can promise you it’s the same for women. There may be a slight advantage for larger women online, but seriously don’t just depend on online dating and nothing else. The fact that online dating seems to be the only standard to measure attractiveness now makes me really sad for this generation lol. Meet people IRL. Work out and then go to a pool. Take a dance lesson. Join a hiking club. Find a hobby and do it socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:41 AM
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It’s probably lower in online dating. Maybe close to equal. But in real life, a bigger guy with confidence and a great social circle and still do okay. But it’s still dumb to handicap yourself when you could just lose the weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:37 AM
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Because women are a lot less looks oriented than men. You have to have super tight game, but if you’re fat but well dressed, extremely confident, and passionate about something, you can be attractive to other women who share your passion. It just doesn’t work the same when it’s reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:29 AM
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I feel like it’s easier to get love as a fat guy than a fat woman. That said, regardless of your gender - if you’re severely overweight, you’re going to be much less attractive to most people. Fat acceptance is more like anti - bullying. Nobody is saying anybody has to be attracted to fat people. They’re just saying that you have to not be mean to them. Which is reasonable. If you feel like your weight is holding you back from meeting women, lose the weight. At the end of the day, unless you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:09 AM
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I actually do agree to a reasonable level. It’s okay to want to be liked and admired. It’s not okay for your sense of self worth to depend on external validation. The attitude you should want to go for is zen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 04:34 PM
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MGTOW is one of the biggest and best examples of cognitive dissonance you’ll ever see.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 04:23 PM
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I’m gonna respond to this and the fat person part here. I only watched 3 minutes. Are you wanting me to tell you why he is attractive to women? It isn’t that much about what he says. It’s how he says it and his confidence behind what he’s saying. The guy is truly enjoying the interaction, having fun, and absolutely gives 0 fucks about trying to mask his humor or personality. He’s not afraid of being rejected - if they shoot him down, it’s not a big deal to him because it’s all fun and games. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 12:54 AM
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I have never seen the show, so I can’t comment on question 3. But 1 and 2 are a definitive yes Laughter is the universal bonding language. When somebody is laughing with you, there is an automatic sense of connection and trust being built. The only thing is to not let it become a crutch. Confidently exercise your sense of humor - but don’t force yourself to ONLY be funny and become known as the clown. You need to be able to have serious and intimate conversation as well. But generally, humor is …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 12:40 AM
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Alright, so let me just explain where I’m at bro. I’m 28. I read “The Game” at 17. Before I started college, I read The Mystery Method, Double Your Dating, Magic Bullets, and any other major PUA book out there. At 19, I took a Love Systems boot camp in Vegas with Cajun, who was at the time one of the most respected “PUAs” in the world. I understand your point way better than you could ever imagine that I could. I understand WHY you think that way because I spent years of my life thinking that wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 11:26 PM
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You’re still ignoring my question. You legit don’t want to answer it lol. If you answer my question (and be honest, it does nobody any good to lie about it), I’ll gladly continue this conversation. If not, I’m not gonna bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 11:04 PM
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If it doesn’t matter, then answer the question instead of going off on a tirade bro. Edit: I’m not asking for the ages of the women you’re hitting on. I’m asking you what YOUR age is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:56 PM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:37 PM
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“Why would I entertain them?” Because “no I won’t send you nudes” doesn’t always mean I will NEVER send you nudes. It means “I’m not comfortable with sending you nudes RIGHT NOW.” If she was absolutely adamant that she would never send somebody nudes without being in a committed relationship, and you are 100% closed-minded to a relationship, it’s fine to respectfully bow out of the situation. If you just asked her to send you nudes and she said no, saying “fine don’t talk to me anymore” is hones…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:13 PM
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It doesn’t matter what “quality” somebody is. An insecure person will do something they are not comfortable doing because they want to get approval. This is psych 101. If a woman is truly confident in who she is as a person, it doesn’t matter who asks her for nudes or how hard they try to pull away. She’s not going to cross her boundaries. And there are a lot more women out there like that than you think - and the older you get, the more secure with themselves they will becomes. The correct way …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 09:02 PM
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I assume you are young. There is a big difference between having insecurities about your appearance and being so insecure with yourself that you’re willing to cross your own boundaries just to make somebody like you. And most girls who are that insecure are very young. Also, I’d like to add that you’re wrong. Attractive women are generally not insecure about their appearance. They know they are hot. They get called beautiful 300 times a day. They get cat called. They get hit up by chodes left an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 08:26 PM
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I think the issue is that you didn’t next her to respect her decision. You nexted her because you wanted it to create an insecurity in her that caused her to do something she wasn’t comfortable with in order to try and keep you around. That kind of tactic doesn’t work on high value girls. If you want to bang 20 year olds who are insecure and spend most of their free time in clubs for the rest of your life, go for it. But there are a lot of beautiful women out there that are also cool as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 08:16 PM
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Let me preface this by giving you some of my history. In 2008, I read The Game. That was my freshman year of college. I lost my virginity 4 months later. I held very Red Pill beliefs for 4-5 years. But I noticed a trend - I could never keep a girl around. I could attract women, but they’d all eventually bail. The problem with the red pill “tactics” is that you view them as tactics to be used, and you view all women as the same. There are definitely evolutionary triggers that subconsciously influ…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 08:08 PM
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The phrase “smacks her around” doesn’t really imply self defense. I don’t think most reasonable people have an issue with somebody defending themselves if it’s truly necessary. Nobody should be smacking anybody around.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 07:38 PM
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Yes. I’m not a red pill dude though. If I was with somebody that wanted to be the bread winner, I’d start an online business that I could do part time from home while being the stay at home parent. I’d still want to make some money, but it wouldn’t hurt my self esteem or make me feel emasculated if the traditional role was swapped. I have a decent career though, and am not opposed to being the primary bread winner, either. Honestly, as long as I can still train Jiu Jitsu a few times a week and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 07:36 PM
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The girl I’m seeing is working a high paying job for a major bank. She lives in an expensive high rise downtown. She definitely makes more money than me. I think it’s cool as shit that she’s got a career she’s so passionate about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 04:18 AM
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It’s okay to be logical, but social skills require emotional connection and vibing. You have to learn how to do that if you want to be successful in the dating world. No amount of skills or tricks will make you successful socially and romantically if you can’t do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 12:39 PM
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You interpret dating advice way too literally. The biggest problem with TRP is that it takes an approach that is waaaaaaay too logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 01:32 AM
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Maybe, but that doesn’t mean that having options makes their love life easier. The girl I’m currently seeing told me she created an OKCupid profile about 3 years ago. She created it and went to bed. The next morning she had 400 messages, and she said every single one of them was “Hey” or “Hey beautiful :)” or something similar. Imagine if you could bang any girl you wanted, but 99% of women on the planet were hideous. That’s kinda what women deal with...most men are unattractive because most men…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 09:21 PM
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1 thing - don't stop dating her and imporoving yourself. Most "dead bedrooms" happen because the relationship becomes a routine instead of an adventure. Take her on dates. Touch her non-sexually outside of the bedroom. Don't let sex become a routine that happens at the same time with the same few variant positions every night. Don't become a passive follower. Plan things. Pick where to eat. Basically, think about how you act during the first few weeks of courting her. Comfort will grow, but the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 06:33 PM
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This is one of those times where somebody tries really hard to justify something with semantics and technicalities because it makes him feel smart. Don’t be that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 10:27 PM
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From my general experience, men determine attraction a lot faster that women. Women have things that automatically disqualify you from being attractive to her - shitty fashion, creepy vibes, poor grooming, body language oozes lack of self confidence, just to name a few. But even if she’s receptive to your approach, she isn’t necessarily attracted yet. Men can tell purely by physical appearance whether or not they are attracted to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 03:05 PM
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Because it’s not expressed by acting extremely extra feminine. Toxic masculinity is referring to a very specific set of behavioral characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 10:50 AM
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Source? I’m not saying you’re wrong...I’m just interested to see who the hell would suddenly want to fuck that kid after his killing spree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 03:03 PM
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I just want to say that Toxic Masculinity is a real thing. It’s just way overused. It’s meant to describe a guy who is insecure with his masculinity and acts super “bro-ey” to overcompensate for his insecurities (picks fights, super controlling/bossy, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 03:01 PM
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Why is consensual sex a problem? The whole issue with the metoo movement is non-consensual sex and unwanted sexual touching.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 12:58 PM
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Casual sex is fun. It’s in nobody’s long term interest. It feels good.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:35 PM
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This thread is so logical it hurts. I understand logic is good, but this kind of linear thinking just blatantly showcases the inability to connect with people, and that is 100% of the reason why OP struggles with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 02:42 PM
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Well, I guess it's better than you being a serial killer lol. I'll take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:26 PM
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It's not hot men or jerks. It's confident, non-needy men who are comfortable with themselves. Looks help, but a lot of it is that a man who is well groomed and takes care of himself shows confidence and non-neediness. The whole "I wasn't born with a perfect jawline so I can't be attractive" thing is such a victim mentality, and that very mindset is so much more unattractive to most women than not being asthetically beautiful. Work out and don't eat like shit. Find a hobby that's interesting that…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:24 PM
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Why would you want that? You're not looking for a partner. You're looking for a slave that you can control. Do you understand how psychopathic and narcissistic that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:17 PM
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pushing to give value to your partner without keeping score, it's a feedback loop of appreciation, especially if it's what they want, and not what you want (I'll make you breakfast, but only if it' Totally. People who obsess over this have some deep rooted insecurity and a lack of self acceptance. I'm sure me and my ex weren't 50/50. I can't tell you who did more nice things for who. But doing them with the idea that we would get more favors from each other down the road never crossed either of …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:16 PM
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The last relationship I was in, we both did shit for each other. Sometimes, I'd fix something for her. Sometimes, she'd surprise me with a badass meal when I came over to her house. Counting favors like that really is a very insecure attitude. I did nice things for her because I like her. She did nice things for me because she liked me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:03 PM
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Women get status and money already. It's much easier for a woman to get status and money if she's attractive. So once again, why does she need you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:01 PM
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I think the best attitude for dating for both genders is "I want you, but I don't need you."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:01 PM
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Using 2008 PUA lingo is pretty cringe And most people on TRP who claim to easily get laid are lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 12:37 PM
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Being honest about your intentions is correct, but so is being non-needy.
/r/seduction23/04/18 09:30 PM
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Being vulnerable doesn't equate to being submissvie. You can be a leader without hiding your emotions and masking who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 07:00 PM
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Sometimes, the problem is that men are TOO logical and lack the ability to just vibe and emotionally connect. I’m not saying you’re incorrect, but often the reason why women get bored with men is because men have trouble just being in the moment and instead look at seduction and dating as this logical process.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 12:43 AM
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That’s not really true. I concede the point that women are more emotional. I disagree with you that women are looking to be unhappy. That sounds like a mix of anecdotal experience and maybe some bitterness toward one or a few women who it didn’t work out with. Honestly, anybody who is depressed is usually “looking” for reasons to be unhappy. Man or woman. Incels who blame things outside of their control instead of admitting that it’s their fault are looking for reasons to be unhappy because it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 12:29 AM
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I don’t think most women are looking for reasons to be unhappy. That sounds bitter dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/18 11:56 PM
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What makes you think I’m mad? I asked if he had a source because I didn’t know. He delivered.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 06:31 PM
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All of them? Like every single difference ever documented? No, I’m not familiar with 100% of them, and unless you’re an expert in sociology, anatomy, psychology, and every field of medicine known to man, neither do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 06:27 PM
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Found the fedora-toting libertarian. I never said they were all the same. I asked him if he could provide a source for his claim that men’s IQs and heights vary more than women because that’s not anything I’ve ever heard of before.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 03:49 PM
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“Men vary more than women in height” “Men vary more than women in IQ” Just two examples. But really, anything that you’re claiming as a hard fact to back up your argument. Anecdotal experience is not proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 12:13 PM
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You keep making all of these claims and providing no sources. I’m not saying you are wrong, but you need to understand that a claim is not credible without a source to back it up. Any basic Research Methodology 101 course can tell you that no “proof” you have offered is acceptable. You are claiming what YOU believe, not what you have learned through a peer reviewed, scientific case study.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 12:04 PM
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Do you have a source to back up those averages?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 11:07 AM
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I disagree. It varies from person to person. Everybody wants companionship to some level, but as a guy I value it a lot more than some of my other guy friends. I also know women that care way more about their career than their love lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 03:01 AM
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It’s good that you recognize this as something to work on. The best answer is polarization. Be you. The real you. Like a 200% version of your true self. If you think something is funny, say the joke. If you think something is interesting, acknowledge it. If you think something is boring, stay away from it. But be the real, most genuine version of yourself. By doing that, you are going to meet people who don’t like you. And that is a good thing. Trying to please everybody is needy. Accepting that…
/r/seduction20/04/18 04:29 PM
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I just went on an awesome first date with a girl I met on Tinder. We didn’t have sex. Still had a great time. She likes me a lot, and I can tell that she didn’t go home with me because she sees me more as relationship material than one night stand material. I take it as a compliment, tbh. I don’t consider that night a failure at all. Had some awesome conversation. Played Space Invaders. Made out with a hot chick. Had some good drinks. Don’t make it all about sex and nothing else bro. Sex is an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 02:00 PM
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It is harder, but there’s a blessing in that. Check out the book “Flow” by Mihalay C. Happiness comes from accomplishment. By working on yourself and learning how to be successful with women, you will feel accomplished, which is infinitely more gratifying than just blatantly getting sexual attention for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 10:22 PM
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I mean you’re attractive enough. Idk...I can’t tell you how to game guys (even though I am a guy lol). Honestly, just find some social hobbies that you’re really into. You’re pretty enough that it should just happen.
/r/seduction18/04/18 09:00 PM
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I am a man and don’t agree with the guy you’re responding to. On either front - I don’t think it’s typical for women to always wish she was single because she thinks she can do better. I don’t think it’s typical for males (adult and mature) to always wish they could be banging more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 07:51 PM
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This is an excellent post. I wish I had more to add, but I don’t. Thanks for the insight, I feel like I learned a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 03:18 PM
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This. The info is good, but we’re all here to improve and learn. No need to be rude about it.
/r/seduction13/04/18 02:00 PM
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You can’t form a connection without vulnerability. You just also have to understand the difference between being emotionally unstable and willingness to express negative emotions appropriately.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 01:58 PM
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I agree man. Principles > specifics. A great example, the principle that texting should only be for setting up dates and handling logistics. Maybe that's a good general rule to follow, but it's not 100% of the case. Use your fucking gut, and if your gut ends up being wrong, you're now a little bit better at calibration.
/r/seduction12/04/18 05:35 PM
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I can tell you’ve never taken a psych 101 class lol. No offense, but you are dead wrong bro. While it is bad to let your emotions completely dominate you, emotions are an important biological feedback mechanism, and ignoring negative emotions will cause problems in the long run. The whole “men should never ever feel emotions or acknowledge them” thing is exactly what people mean by “toxic masculinity.” Nobody wants a guy to be a total bitch, but being scared of emotional vulnerability will cause…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 02:08 PM
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A friend of mine introduced me to it. It has meeting groups in just about every big city. I actually drove 2 hours to go to one. I’m surprised there’s not a subreddit for it....might be worth starting one up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 04:49 PM
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I don’t think you were wrong to ask her out again if y’all were flirting after the initial rejection.
/r/seduction11/04/18 04:44 PM
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I did lol at the hockey thing, but in all seriousness, I seriously doubt you’ll find a psychologist who will actually agree with you that there are “male” and “female” models of therapy. Can you elaborate on what you mean by “feminine therapy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 04:41 PM
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It’s not a useful concept. The “N” word, by its most literal translation, means “fool.” But years of context have linguistically given it a new meaning, and the correct solution isn’t to teach people the correct meaning. That’s not how language works. What we need to do is focus on true masculinity. I consider myself to lean moderately towards the feminist sides of a lot of arguments, but I do see the biggest thing society does to hurt men - shitty societal conditioning that represses masculinit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 04:39 PM
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The fact that you believe that therapy is a feminine thing is kind of the real problem with how our men are treated in our culture. Ignoring negative emotions is bad. Emotions are feedback. You need to acknowledge them, express them in a healthy way, and use them to help you understand what changes need to be made. If you bury them, they will eventually overwhelm you. Therapy is based on this. It is not only feminine. Therapy is based on psychological case studies of both gender. That being said…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 01:15 PM
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Most people, both men and women, are shit listeners, which is part of the problem. Authentic Relating was an incredible avenue for me to be listened to and to get honest feedback in a non-judgmental way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 01:11 PM
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I see what you mean, but they’ve caused men to really think about masculinity incorrectly. Everybody now views alpha as if we’re supposed to act like the alpha of a pack of wolves. We are not wolves. Alpha and beta are too binary, and using the terms is hurting men a lot more than helping. If the term “alpha” was correctly defined, I don’t think it would be as much of a problem, but the term itself tends to make men think that everybody is one extreme or the other, and men tend to think that pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 12:46 PM
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I strongly recommend the book “Open Her” by Karen Brody. The terms “Alpha” and “Beta” are poisonous terms that prevent you from just being you. Don’t seek to be “alpha”. Seek to be a strong, internally validated, confident, and decisive version of who you truly are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 11:36 AM
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The only thing I will say is that there are copious amounts of psychological studies out there that suggest that not seeking help for bad emotions will lead to mental health issues. Not saying you don’t have a point, too, but willingness to express your emotions is more important than you think. I am a formerly depressed guy who has come a long way, and it really started with this event I went to called Authentic Relating, which helped me express negative emotions I’d been burying since I was a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 11:27 AM
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“Male sex drive” Why do so many people think that women have a lower sex drive than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 07:55 PM
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Focusing too much on the term “alpha” messes people up. We’re not wolves. We don’t have to survive by hunting in a massive pack and marking territory against rival packs. Just be internally validated, take risks, go for what you want, don’t let people walk all over you, do good as you see fit (but never because you want approval). Make eye contact when you speak to people. That’s it, really. You can be quiet and shy but still embody these qualities, and women will find you attractive. Maybe not …
/r/seduction10/04/18 12:13 AM
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I just want to make a recommendation for jeans: Levi 505 or Levi 514 jeans are both incredibly comfy (I do BJJ, and they’re stretchy enough that I could do BJJ in them if I had to) and a really good fit. They’re not skin-tight skinny jeans, but they’re snug enough that you can tell I lift.
/r/seduction10/04/18 12:07 AM
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I believe you are Incorrect. Read that book. Well, here’s what I’ll say. “Alpha” isn’t what you should want. I use the term alpha to refer to “masculine”. But you can be a leader without being THE leader of the pack. I can not recommend a book enough. It will completely change your perception of what masculinity really means, and what it means to be “alpha.” It’s written by a sec therapist who is traditionally feminist but slams radical feminist culture for conditioning men to be weak. She also …
/r/seduction09/04/18 06:57 PM
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I view the term “alpha” differently than most people do. Check out the book “Open Her” by Karen Brody. To me, “alpha” doesn’t mean “doucher who is in control of everything and bosses everybody around.” You can be quiet and shy and still be alpha. Alpha to me is sets and enforced his own boundaries, lives based off his own standards, internally validated, and protects his friends, loved ones, and values.
/r/seduction09/04/18 04:02 PM
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This. Dudes don’t realize that just because they have multiple options doesn’t mean they’re good options. Imagine if you had your pick of the litter between 30 different gross fat chicks. That’s basically what hot women feel like 24/7. That’s why honestly, if you’re just willing to put in the work to learn how to be an attractive dude, dating for men is awesome. Hot women are common. An attractive man is rare. Being a decisive, empathetic, alpha male makes you a rare fucking catch that they’ll f…
/r/seduction09/04/18 03:39 PM
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They know what they want. They just aren’t very good at explaining it. And the other thing is this - go to r/creepypms or r/creepyasterisks. Women are legitimately terrified of men, and one thing we fail to recognize is that they see men go fucking apeshit all the fucking time. It took me a while to realize this because I don’t want to get anybody and I don’t ever do shit like that. But the reality is that a lot of dudes are crazy, and I think sometimes women feed guys the “just act like a pussy…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 12:59 PM
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I’d recommend reading the book “Open Her” by Karen Brody. She is a feminist who takes similar views as myself. I think you’d actually learn a lot from that book. Don’t mistake the radical feminism that’s regurgitated by the media with what actual feminism can be and often is. You can participate in casual sex if you learn to be an attractive, masculine male. That book really breaks down masculinity, and how men are failing to be masculine in Western culture. They’re either spineless pussies, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 12:39 PM
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Because I think women love sex? I think any actual feminist (not a man who is passively accepting a view to get approval, but somebody who actually adopted feminist views after researching the issues) would tell you that women love sex, and a big issue in feminism is allowing women to enjoy sex without being shamed for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 12:06 PM
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Just chip away my friend. :) And read.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 11:06 PM
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It’s okay to recognize that you got there because of your parents. It’s also necessary to let go of it and accept that you are responsible for how you move forward. I was raised shy. My mom was an extreme perfectionist, and it lead me to have a complex where I always felt like I could never be good enough. I first recognized it, and then began to learn to overcome it. Meditation is a reaaaallly good place to start. Reading certain books that opened my eyes helped a lot, too. I’m pretty happy now…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 09:02 PM
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I just want to say that I’m a more left-leaning person (BP I guess) that doesn’t struggle too much with women. People struggle with the concept of “respecting others” but also still respecting themselves. I have boundaries. I maintain them. I’m not afraid to look somebody in the eye and tell them that I disagree. I am a good flirt and enjoy teasing people in a playful way. I’ve been in sales for 10 years and have developed a decent amount of charisma. I still respect women. No means no. She’s a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 03:19 PM
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OP, check out the book “The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck” by Mark Manson. Fantastic read that really elaborate on the point you’re making.
/r/seduction06/04/18 07:04 PM
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The Truth by Neil Strauss Its not about pickup/seduction, but it is a legitimately incredible book man. You will learn a lot about yourself and why you are the way you are. And if you don’t tear up reading that book, you don’t have a soul.
/r/seduction27/03/18 02:02 PM
3

I suck ar dancing, but I’m actually about to start taking Salsa lessons. In 2 hours, actually haha
/r/seduction26/03/18 09:43 PM
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Taking a dance lesson and learning how to dance is a good start. If you’re a killer dancer, chicks will want to fuck.
/r/seduction26/03/18 08:55 PM
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That’s what’s up dude. I hope it works out for you!
/r/seduction26/03/18 01:13 AM
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Funny. I’m not religious or prude. I’m on this sub because I want to get laid. I just have a real job, and don’t drink because I’ve lost 40 lbs in the last few months and want to keep it off for the summer.
/r/seduction22/03/18 11:33 AM
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It's the courts not the police. You won't get her arrested, but you can def some money. Well, you can get a judgement against her for money, anyway.
/r/seduction18/03/18 02:20 AM
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Don't overthink that shit OP. Most chicks don't cum from having sex with new partners. It probably was more with what happened after sex. You probably were needy. You just need to be more casual and not get too emotionally invested too fast.
/r/seduction18/03/18 12:57 AM
1

Yeah but then I can still file a harassment charge pretty easily.
/r/seduction18/03/18 12:49 AM
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Yeah, it's okay to be upset if somebody truly does you wrong. This is definitely a case of being done wrong.
/r/seduction18/03/18 12:01 AM
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Should have gotten a bouncer to throw her out. Or you could call the police and press assault charges.
/r/seduction17/03/18 07:58 PM
1

They seem like they got buried pretty hard by more modern stuff anyway. They held on to the M3 method waaaaay longer than they should have.
/r/seduction08/03/18 04:02 AM
1

Are you Tenmagnet from Love Systems?
/r/seduction08/03/18 03:18 AM
1

Lol
/r/seduction07/03/18 11:33 PM
1

"You're arguing with me" "No im not" lol
/r/seduction07/03/18 10:15 PM
1

I think you're just looking for an argument bud. But it's whatever man. Be constructive. This is a community of people trying to better themselves. There is no reason to take a condescending tone, ever.
/r/seduction07/03/18 08:30 PM
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Why are you so confrontational? Good lord dude chill out
/r/seduction07/03/18 07:44 PM
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Thanks for the response. Very helpful
/r/seduction06/03/18 06:10 PM
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I don't think that's fair to say, nor do I think the confrontational and condescending tone is necessary. I'm looking to understand what seems to r a conflicting message within the community. This has nothing to do with personal validation. I am coming here acknowledging my lack of knowledge and understanding while seeking clarity.
/r/seduction06/03/18 04:37 PM
1

Thanks for the clarification. That's helpful. So do you believe direct openers and early compliments are a mistake then? I need to wait until she's compliant with me to compliment her?
/r/seduction06/03/18 04:28 PM
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https://youtu.be/UQGBDNdlU3I The experts seem to disagree. I'm not saying Todd V is right, but I am saying he's definitely an expert and makes some good points.
/r/seduction06/03/18 01:47 PM
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https://youtu.be/UQGBDNdlU3I The experts seem to disagree. I'm not saying Todd V is right, but I am saying he's definitely an expert and makes some good points.
/r/seduction06/03/18 01:46 PM
1

Army dude at the gym with a prosthetic used to absolutely slay.
/r/seduction05/03/18 03:56 AM
8

Haha no worries man. Can't grow if you can't laugh at your failures some.
/r/seduction04/03/18 10:20 PM
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Yeah I know I wasn't going to kiss her in the middle of the yoga class lol. What I meant was if you're in a situation where the girl gives you the "kiss me" look, and you don't go for it...you're done.
/r/seduction04/03/18 06:39 PM
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Yeah. Plus, for all she knows, I had something to do right after class and couldn't ask her out the . We didn't have our phones on us, so I could t have asked for the number. Failing on the kiss is much worse. Coulda done better, but I can at least give myself props for starting the conversation and keeping the conversation going well. I was more in my head with her than when I'm talking to chicks at a club. I liked her personality. Just gotta get more desensitized to talking to girls like her a…
/r/seduction04/03/18 06:25 PM
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Pretty much what was in my head. She was shy, and I'll see her next Saturday and go for it again. Maybe it'll happen, maybe not, but I def know my chances are lower for not going for it. Which is okay because there's other girls to meet and stuff, but damn it feels bad to just not go for it.
/r/seduction04/03/18 06:19 PM
2

Never taken either. But I feel like their free stuff has helped me a lot. I don't understand why you're attacking them. You believe that they fake their pickups without proof. You allege that they always go out with a full camera crew (not true). All I'm saying is that they actually have some great content, and it isn't about just picking up women, which I like. Pickup Artists are lame one trick ponies who lack substance in other areas. These dudes are about self acceptance, meditation, and taki…
/r/seduction28/02/18 04:17 PM
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I am a salesman. Just because somebody is selling a product doesn't automatically make a product bs or exaggerated. Sometimes, salespeople actually believe in their product and are passionate about what they sell. If you can provide actual sources that the actresses are fake instead of just speculation, I'm open minded, but right now it feels like people are hating on RSD because it's the in thing to do.
/r/seduction28/02/18 03:58 PM
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I think I understand game well enough to be able to tell that those guys probably do get laid. A friend of mine has taken their boot camps and said they're great...and he saw Julian approach without a camera crew and do well. shrugs They were the first group to say "reciting canned lines to get girls is creepy. Learn to love yourself and be authentic and you will naturally attract women that can appreciate you for who you are." I can respect that because the majority of the pickup community abid…
/r/seduction28/02/18 01:12 PM
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"Their paid actresses act like they work" Source? I mean Tyler is beyond proven. He definitely is insane, but even Strauss documents his success in The Game, and Tyler is still doing it like 12 years later. I don't think they're the end all solution, but I think a lot of the hate comes from them being mainstream. And how many of their videos are using full camera crews vs a hidden camera?
/r/seduction28/02/18 12:49 PM
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I mean they have some solid philosophies. I'm not saying they're the end-all solution, but take the good and leave the bad, just like you should do with everything. Honestly, getting super cliquey/factioney over which schools of thought are the most elite is the most lame thing somebody can do. Madison is a pretty legit guy. I don't really like Max because I'm pretty sure he's a coke head. I don't agree with everything that Tyler says, but I respect some of his most basic life philosophies. Juli…
/r/seduction28/02/18 05:40 AM
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I think I mistakenly thought you were talking about the parent comment that I wrote.
/r/seduction27/02/18 04:59 AM
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As somebody who frequently lurks that sub, I can pretty confidently tell you that Stevie Wonder could have hit the mark better than you did with your nice guy accusation. You should read the side bar there and actually get an idea of what they mean by "nice guy".
/r/seduction26/02/18 07:26 PM
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Monogamy isn't in anybody's nature. Relationships between two attractive people who have options take work and commitment, male or female. That doesn't mean monogamy is a bad thing, nor does t mean that there aren't plenty of faithful women. But if you have options, you have to work at monogamy, both in the self discipline to not sleep with those options, and in keeping the other person satisfied enough that they want to also be faithful. Monogamy has its benefits and can be very fulfilling, but…
/r/seduction26/02/18 07:25 PM
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Yeah just the general complacent guy that got chubby, stopped trying to be social, didn't care that his gf was letting herself go, too, etc.
/r/seduction26/02/18 12:52 AM
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Thanks dude. Love the name. I'm a Brown belt who is currently inactive with a herniated disc. Oss!
/r/seduction25/02/18 07:54 PM
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Basically. I went out with a roommate and his group of friends, but that whole group was a group of people who have been friends since middle school. I had a lot of trouble connecting with them because they just all knew each other so well and talked about things I couldn't participate in. So after 45 minutes of struggling to get into that group I just said fuck it and did some cold approaches.
/r/seduction25/02/18 06:28 PM
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Thanks man. Definitely agree that pulling her outside would have been the power move. And I do need to learn to dance in the future - she is a competitive dancer and a guy knowing how to dance would have been a massive turn on. Plus, dancing is just a great flow activity to get you in state.
/r/seduction25/02/18 06:13 PM
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You ever watch any interviews with high level drug dealers? "Do you ever feel guilty that the heroin you're bringing into the country is destroying lives?" "No. If I wasn't doing it, somebody else would be." Very common to see that exact question-response. I don't judge you for how you feel about the scenario, but I don't want to benefit from somebody else's misfortune. I want to benefit from creating positivity in others' lives. Edit: and she has some hot friends. I'm fine getting cool with her…
/r/seduction25/02/18 05:24 PM
1

I don't mind showing her that I'm fun. I mean, when I first got into game, instagram didn't exist. And it never stopped girls from thinking I was fun.
/r/seduction19/02/18 08:02 PM
1

Thanks. Would you say that if I have no interest in getting an instagram that I'd be fine without it if I'm charismatic, good looking, and have tight game?
/r/seduction19/02/18 05:12 PM
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Had no interest in social media when o was younger. Now, I haven't had interest in starting them up because there are a lot of scientific links to more social media = less happiness.
/r/seduction19/02/18 03:13 AM
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Check out the book "Open Her" by Karen Brody. It's a book on true masculinity written by a feminist sex therapist who takes a very unfemenistic stance on what masculinity truly means, and how women are primally attracted to a man who displays it. She has nothing to do with the pickup community, and that book will probably teach you more about how to be attractive to women than anything you'll find within the community.
/r/seduction11/02/18 12:23 PM
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You have a very common misconception of what "beta" and "alpha" actually mean. Alpha is going for what you want without fear of the consequences or fear of what people will think of you for pursuing it. And by that very definition, investing time in pursuing sexual encounters with the most gorgeous women you can find is as alpha as it gets. Betas say "society attached a stigma to guys who do pickup; therefore I shouldn't do it." Alphas say "I give 0 fucks what people may think of me. Let's get s…
/r/seduction11/02/18 01:23 AM
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No. Women don't run the world. That's an extremely beta view.
/r/seduction10/02/18 07:32 PM
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Ask her the deep questions about herself. "What do you do for fun?" "What are your goals?" Etc. compliment her when she says something genuinely cool. The goal here is to show her that you are attracted to her...this is your first deep display of interest, but you want to show her that you're attracted to her for who she is, not what she looks like. That means digging in a little bit and finding out who she really is.
/r/seduction08/01/18 01:51 AM
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Not true, it's all about how and when you say it, and your intent behind it.
/r/seduction08/01/18 01:03 AM
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All of the pros say to go out every night as much as possible. How do I do that if I'm doing all of this other stuff?
/r/seduction08/01/18 01:01 AM
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Topics that are too heavy are politics and religion. Goals, ambitions, and desires are what you should be talking about after she's attracted to you and you've qualified her.
/r/seduction08/01/18 12:49 AM
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Showing vulnerability doesn't make you weak. This is 100% your issue. No doubt. You have to be willing to show some vulnerability and give her a glimpse of the real you. At some point, you have to stop being the pickup artist and start being a normal guy
/r/seduction08/01/18 12:47 AM
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Been wanting to move to Austin for a while now. A buddy of mine moved out there from Charlotte and said that the girls are 100x more friendly than here, and the quality is much better. If everything goes right in my life, I'll be there by summertime.
/r/seduction06/01/18 08:22 PM
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It's kinda like buying 100 red peppers vs planting a garden. You can keep paying for red peppers, or you can learn how to grow them sustainably for free forever.
/r/seduction06/01/18 08:20 PM
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Mystery definitely got laid. Style definitely got laid. But Mystery never kept a girl around for a long time, and he grew increasingly less and less happy. It can get you the occasional one night stand, but after you run out of "material" you will seem needy and weird to most girls.
/r/seduction06/01/18 08:18 PM
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Not enough attraction. You can try to build more, but definitely game other chicks and don't focus on this one anymore.
/r/seduction18/12/17 04:21 AM
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As somebody who has been around this since the original release of The Game - I strongly believe you are mistaken about this. Exchanging vulnerabilities is the definition of the comfort phase. The comfort phase is where you drop the "game" tactics and just bond like normal human beings. All the other techniques and routines and shit are just designed to break down the barriers and build enough attraction that you can do that. Going up to a hot girl you've never met and telling her you had cancer…
/r/seduction14/12/17 02:16 PM
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Not always. Like definitely don't bring it up early, but in the comfort building phase, telling her about surviving cancer is some serious vulnerability.
/r/seduction14/12/17 09:29 AM
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Second this. Find an athletic hobby that you like. I do BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu). You'll get in shape, have fun, make awesome friends, and learn self defense with BJJ. No matter how awkward your born face is, taking care of your hair and getting a killer body can make you insanely attractive. Honestly, you don't need to be a 10. That's a myth. I've banged 10s and I've banged 7s. For relationship purposes, is take a 7 that was cool as fuck over a 10 that's obnoxious any day and all day.
/r/seduction22/11/17 05:54 AM
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How would sex turn it brown? That makes no sense dude. My dick is really weird. Half of it is my normal skin tone, and half of it is darker brown. Genitals are just weird. You're either gonna have to either find a real source before believing something, or just find another way to take shots at women for sleeping with people other than you.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/10/17 01:17 AM
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You really want this to be true. It's so important to you that it is true because it gives you some ammo in a gun you're trying to fire. Honestly though, dude, just go to r/sex. There's a post once every 2-3 days by a young girl who is insecure because her labia are larger than average. And a lot of times, these girls are inexperienced BECAUSE of that insecurity. So tell me, Mr. correlation, why does a 17 year old virgin have larger labia if they only get big because of multiple sex partners?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/17 11:39 PM
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Study hasn't been conducted, and even if it was conducted, you're basing your entire belief on correlation? Anybody with even an ounce of scientific literacy can see how silly this is. You have formed this belief out of convenience for your ideals and identity. You have absolutely 0 evidence to support this claim.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/17 05:24 PM
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Your source is literally "multiple men report that"... ...gonna have to do a little bit better at sciencing dude.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/17 05:08 PM
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It needs to be about more than just getting women. As men, we will always want to have sex with attractive women, but if all of your life's efforts go towards sleeping with attractive women, you'll never be happy or fulfilled. Honestly, you'll get to a point where sex is just sex and it's not that big of a deal anymore.
/r/seduction25/09/17 03:36 PM
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"Okay" and then just go about the date exactly like she never said anything.
/r/seduction01/09/17 07:31 PM
1

So true. Plan something fun for both of you. Plan an evening that will be so fun, that even if you don't get laid, it still is a successful night. You always end up getting laid more when you do it that way, and even if you don't get laid, at least you had an awesome time and did something really cool!
/r/seduction04/07/17 03:00 PM
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You're correct, but when you bring it up randomly in a topic about a book, it makes you come off as confrontational. Be the guy that gets along with people, not the guy that unnecessarily corrects people.
/r/seduction30/06/17 06:14 PM
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Is that a serious question? No. I'm afraid of all people. I just read stuff and never ever apply it.
/r/seduction30/06/17 03:47 PM
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Approaching people period doesn't give you the magical dating life you've wanted. It's getting good at approaching, improving your social intuition, learning to relate to women better, and developing more confidence that gives you the dating life you desire.
/r/seduction12/06/17 11:11 AM
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Read "Open Her" by Karen Brody. Best detailed write up of this, ever, but from the perspective of a sex therapist (female) instead of a PUA.
/r/seduction10/06/17 12:52 PM
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It's not the hobby you do - it's the passion that you put into it.
/r/seduction07/06/17 01:40 AM
1

I see what you're saying. I see why it's tough, and I do agree that if somebody says "I don't date brown people" they probably are a piece of shit. My mindset is "I'm gonna fuck this bitch, and then I'm gonna jizz on her face and tell her to get the fuck out of my bed for being a racist piece of shit". But in also an overly vengeful piece of shit, and that kind of stuff can hurt me in the long run in terms of self improvement. I wasn't in a frat in college, but I was friends with a lot of people…
/r/seduction30/05/17 10:38 PM
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I am sorry you are going through this brother. But let me just say that nobody overcomes a problem by focusing on how miserable it is making them. Think about it like this - if you were a multi millionaire celebrity with 6 pack abs, a recognizable face/name, and the most popular person in the venue, would she still be rejecting you? In a lot of situations where you feel like race is the reason for rejection, she probably would have gone for you in the above scenario. You don't need to be all of …
/r/seduction30/05/17 08:48 PM
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I'm sure it is a disadvantage, but at the end of the day, women want a leader who makes them feel protected, and feel like there's a strong emotional connection. If you can prove to her beyond any reasonable doubt that you are what I just described, she's going to go with you over anybody else. Those traits are more attractive than looks to most women. Are there going to be some women that will never look past? Yes! But if you're developing your personality to become an attentive leader who stan…
/r/seduction30/05/17 01:32 PM
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Yes, but you are a man. Attraction works different for men and women. That's the whole reason why we learn this shit in the first place.
/r/seduction28/05/17 06:25 PM
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She used race as a reason to reject you, but trust me - if you had women circling around you all night and it was obvious that you were the most respected, liked, and sought after guy in the room, race wouldn't have mattered anymore. They say that making the first million is the hardest. After that, the money snowballs itself. The same goes for seduction. But once you get rolling, build a circle, and have some fuck buddies, it gets easier and easier.
/r/seduction28/05/17 03:44 PM
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Yes, it is. It's okay to want an LTR, but if that's your focus with every woman you meet, it'll be forced. The idea of social dynamics isn't to only be a playboy and fuck everything you can, but it's not exclusively to get into one LTR, either. The reason to do this is to make yourself an attractive man with choices - you CHOOSE who you bring into your life, not hair by looks, but also by personality, sense of humor, value, etc. When you get dumped, a large part of what you're feeling is hurt pr…
/r/seduction24/04/17 12:55 PM
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I'm not big on most of the old school advice, but "go fuck 10 other women" works magically here.
/r/seduction24/04/17 10:54 AM
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It's both. Being in good shape and improving your health makes you more confident and makes you come off as more confident.
/r/seduction09/04/17 02:54 AM
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Haha man...I'm no super pro or anything. I have been doing it for a while, but on and off with long breaks as I explore other flow activities (by the way, want to read a book that will help you with game that has nothing to do with game? Flow by Mihaly C. is an incredible book about what it means to be truly happy and self-accepting). But I've seen the evolution of the community, and definitely understand why it's shifted the way it has. The old way, with all the routines, works great for certai…
/r/seduction21/03/17 08:31 PM
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I'm an old school guy. I read The Game the month it came out, and was doing the jealous girlfriend opener in 2004, peacocking, going through the mystery 1-3 method, and have seen everything this community has to offer. The RSD/James Marshall views on seduction are absolutely the best - improve your attitude and your mind, and you will benefit in every aspect of life. These two camps have taken something that was only about women and made sex a small part of what this can offer you. I am very con…
/r/seduction21/03/17 07:50 PM
1

People overthink the technical crap here sometimes. If you're confident, you can say just about anything if it's calibrated.
/r/seduction21/03/17 04:38 PM
0

Looks so matter...but so do other things. There are definitely short, ugly dudes that get laid a lot. But they're well groomed and stay in shape and develop their personality and skills. I think a lot of people who aren't naturally good looking kinda say "fuck it" and don't even try. You don't have to be Brad Pitt. You don't have to be chiseled and 6 foot 4. But you also shouldn't allow yourself to be a fat slob that sits on the couch and plays video games all day, either.
/r/seduction16/03/17 05:06 PM
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Want to tag this
/r/seduction27/02/17 04:35 PM
1

Practice meditation
/r/seduction24/01/17 05:44 PM
1

I have the same problems and would love some feedback on this.
/r/seduction12/01/17 04:33 AM
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It depends on how she rejected you. Some of my best f closes were on girls who shot me down the first time I tried to kiss her...but I could tell she was still attracted to me. If she just straight up has no attraction, move on.
/r/seduction07/01/17 04:37 PM
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Nothing wrong with being nice as long as it comes from the right place. If you're being nice in order to gain approval, you aren't truly being nice; you're being manipulative. If you're being nice because you enjoy helping others, and also aren't a pushover, you're in the clear.
/r/seduction07/01/17 04:36 PM
1

Getting a regular workout routine is beneficial in more ways than just appearance, too. You'll have better energy, confidence, and be more productive in most things you do.
/r/seduction22/12/16 02:19 AM
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Of course. Anybody adding muscle is going to go up in attraction unless you're too big.
/r/seduction22/12/16 01:50 AM
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You need to build comfort. You're staying in attraction too long. It's okay to show that you're a chase and hard to get and stuff, but at some point, you need to just have normal fucking conversation with her an form a real connection.
/r/seduction22/12/16 01:48 AM
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It doesn't matter either way. If she asks you for your name, it's a small IOI, but if it makes sense to ask for her name at a certain point of the conversation, just ask.
/r/seduction22/12/16 01:47 AM
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Man you're not getting a lot of responses because you turned a one paragraph question into an essay. "If a girl is ALWAYS surrounded by friends, how do I approach the situation?" One of two ways. Approach the group, and make friends with the whole group, then make your intentions clear that you're interested in the specific girl. The other way is to approach her specifically, and be direct. You're still going to have to talk to the whole group because if they don't approve, you get nothing.
/r/seduction22/12/16 01:46 AM
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Congruence may spark attractiveness, but it depends. You can be her boss or her friend and not be creepy because you're congruent and genuine instead of validation seeking and fake.
/r/seduction23/11/16 02:29 AM
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I wouldn't pay for a full boot camp, but I don't think dropping 300 on a hot seat would be a waste of money at all. Incredibly good deal.
/r/seduction23/11/16 01:24 AM
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Wrong. It's congruence.
/r/seduction23/11/16 01:22 AM
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There's no rule, but there is a correlation. Energy focused on negativity is energy not focused on solving problems and improving yourself.
/r/seduction22/11/16 06:18 PM
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Don't complain. Just be the best option. Nobody overcomes odds while whining about them. Sorry if that seems condescending...just keeping it real. I wish nothing but the best for you, but keep in mind what I'm saying.
/r/seduction22/11/16 01:59 AM
2

Great post. Thanks dude!
/r/seduction22/11/16 01:54 AM
1

I feel like double texting can be okay if you have something to add...as long as it's truly coming from a secure mindset. Sometimes, these texting rules and other rules make dudes overthink stuff.
/r/seduction21/11/16 07:43 PM
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She won't, but I'm not worried or hung up on it as much as I want to get a learning-curve takeaway for the future. Thanks fellas...go slay tonight!
/r/seduction13/03/16 03:52 AM
2

Fair enough brother. Going out to meet new people. Is it worth texting later or do I just cut this thread and not worry about it? I guess it can't hurt my chances, but maybe I should just stick to a hard "don't ever hit up flakes" rule to improve my inner game in the long run and work towards abundance mentality?
/r/seduction13/03/16 03:50 AM
2

Damn...good,point brother. Thanks for the input!
/r/seduction14/02/16 10:06 PM
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There is no way to turn a girl off more than to make her feel like you won't stand up for her because you're afraid of conversation. Likewise, nothing makes a girl more attracted to you than feeling safe when she's around you.
/r/seduction31/01/16 03:45 PM
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I like psychology, mixed martial arts, and long walks on the beach.
/r/seduction31/01/16 03:43 PM
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It depends on the man. I tend to be mostly attracted to tan white and light skin Latino, but sexy is sexy and anybody can be sexy from any race. Also, if she is really really cool and down to earth, it can help a lot, as well. But different guys have different levels of importance on things like that...this is just me.
/r/seduction31/01/16 03:37 PM
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