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"Hey, husband, I have no real reason to suspect you in particular, but most girls who are sexually abused are the victims of a male relative, so I'm never going to allow you to be alone with our daughters. Again, this isn't necessarily about you personally. I'm sure you agree that we can't be too careful."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 10:41 PM
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Any story about a woman that contains a completely gratuitous account of how she masturbates, whether or not it confirms TRP truths, is a fake male fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 05:59 PM
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These were all white women in their 20s! I assume it was some kind of social media thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 01:22 PM
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When we had the hospital tour before I gave birth to Thing 3, the nurse told everybody that they would be limited to like ten guests in the delivery room. I was horrified that any woman would want more than maybe one or two people with her, but the nurse was immediately deluged with questions from women who were indignant that they couldn’t have twenty people in there with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 06:42 PM
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Saw it linked in the OP; immediately reflected that if I could un-publish and un-write any book in human history, it would take me a while to decide between that bullshit and the Communist Manifesto.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 03:39 PM
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Your thought process is a mystery to me. TIL that "describing accurately" is "putting something on a pedestal." There are upsides and downsides of living with an actual alpha. The upside is that you will never doubt his protection at any cost. The downsides are significant and too numerous to list here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 04:21 AM
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an actual alpha as even most red pillers who aren't nuts like Atlas describe isn't an exploitative abusive narcissist who gives zero fucks about anything having to do with the woman and feels like he's won the interaction by getting laid by giving the woman as little time, attention, money, and anything else he can avoid giving her as possible. Point out where she or I have ever said this. My father was married to my mother for 52 years when he died. He invested in her plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 03:30 AM
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My father was the kind of alpha that she describes and everything she says is true. And she is the first person to tell you that there are considerable downsides to those characteristics. Do you mean to say that an alpha is some kind of STEM good boy who is kind and considerate and goes out of his way for strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 03:18 AM
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One of Mr. Abrams' favorite books is Giant. It's kind of jarring to see how recently all those wildcatters were living like literal animals. I think half the reason he likes that book so much is the culture clash when the wife from the old Virginia family is shipped out to the middle of nowhere in Texas and is all 0_0 about everything she encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 07:26 PM
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Funny you ask that. The answer is no. The woman that he dated (and lived with) for years before he and I started dating had a small six-figure inheritance from her father, and she told him that if they ever married, she wanted a prenup. He has since told me that from that moment on, he never considered her a serious candidate for marriage. I've spoken before about the terms for his family's trust. Only legitimate blood heirs; illegitimate and adopted children are excluded; unmarried heirs have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 06:47 PM
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Also, "sweaty" instead of "sweetie." I can only assume that this is an autocorrect thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 04:42 PM
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I did when we first got together. The first time I went to the very old, very fancy country club where his great-great grandfather was a founding member, I was like 0_0. I don't feel that way anymore, though, and our kids never felt that way, which gave me a lot of satisfaction. But again, I didn't really understand very much about his social class when we first got together. I had no idea how UC he was. Probably a good thing. The fact that I went to a Seven Sisters school gave me a certain amou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 04:01 PM
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That drives me nuts. A beta is supposed to be an AFC, who can get women but who has trouble keeping them, not some spineless ugly schlub. And beta behaviors are necessary to keep a woman around once you've got her. No woman can subsist on a diet of pure alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 03:56 PM
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I grew up working class, but with parents who were and are very interested in art and literature and music. Our house was heated with wood that my dad and I cut ourselves (in MA, so this was no small thing) and there were times I went to bed hungry, but my mother would take me on Greyhound to NYC to show me the Met and the Frick, and thanks to my dad I had a stronger background in US history by 5th grade than most people have by the time they're out of high school. So by the time I got to colleg…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 03:45 PM
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Every time I read "queue" instead of "cue" my eye twitches for the rest of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 03:14 PM
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Welcome to my world. "Women and men and THE DRAFT and bla bla y bla"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 03:12 PM
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Atlas says this all the time and there are so many men here who do not believe her. "If a woman fucks her husband good, he will never ever cheat on her!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 10:48 PM
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So why the hell do you care about feeling desirable? You don't want sex. You married a non-Westerner who presumably doesn't want recreational sex. If you don't want to fuck your husband and he doesn't want to fuck you, who cares if you feel desirable or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 08:33 PM
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Oh, hooray, another foreigner who isn't familiar with English idioms. Crow's feet are the lines at the outside corners of your eyes, not beneath them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 08:24 PM
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I look closely at my skin every single day, because I have taken immaculate care of my skin my whole life and stayed out of the sun since I was 21. I do have some lines underneath my eyes, but no crow's feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 08:05 PM
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Okay, whatever, but if you think that all women have crow's feet by the time they are 31, then I don't know what to tell you. Even my super-photo-sensitive husband with his pale Irish skin only started to get crow's feet in his late 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 07:43 PM
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Look at the clothes that teen girls wear vs older women. Older women cover themselves and teen girls show off their bodies. They are hot and they know it. Older women are insecure because deep down they know the truth. Older women are more likely to be married, and husbands don't want their wives showing off tons of skin to every passing dude, regardless of what kind of shape she is in. If a teenage girl's father has anything to say about what she wears (most Western fathers no longer do), that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 07:36 PM
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WTF are you doing that you have such debilitating crow's feet at 31? I'm 44 and still do not have them. Are you spending all your time out in the sun? Have you never taken care of your skin? You really think that "most" older women feel disgusted with themself and like they "shouldn't" have sex? Okay, whatever. Women with experience sexually also put men off. This is a very weird way for a married woman to perceive herself in relation to her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 07:30 PM
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We're going to hit a point in the next 20y max IMO where new epidemics and plagues of drug-resistant bugs are going to explode. This has been an on and off hobby of mine for the past 20 years or so and every physician I have spoken to about it is just waiting for the next big 1918 flu. Not one of them believes it won't happen, or that it will be NBD. After 9/11, I sat in on quite a few exercises, tabletop and other, premised on the deliberate dispersal of smallpox, ebola, what have you. Literall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 06:08 PM
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Ha, I was in high school when I first saw Alan Rickman in that Robin Hood movie, and I instantly fell madly in love, due in no small part to his voice. I had already fallen madly in love with Jeremy Irons after seeing the trailer for Damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 04:40 PM
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That is the only possible reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 04:38 PM
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Well, yeah, that is true! But my dad certainly wasn’t asking my opinion on the Plains Wars, any more than Mr. Abrams asks my opinion on F1.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 04:38 PM
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A lot of men here have this idea that an ugly guy is a "good" guy, and that's really not usually the case. +++++++++ I have been pursued by ugly dudes who had functional lives (because pretty much everyone in my orbit has a functional life), but who were really... not great people. Mr. Abrams is a billion times hotter than any of them, and he is the single best man I have ever known, in every possible way. The idea that "ugly = heart of gold" and "goodlooking = cruel and thoughtless" is one that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 03:15 PM
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My mother's voice is not particularly shrill, but the car we had throughout the latter half of my childhood (1986 Chevy Celebrity wagon) had a windshield that would amplify and shrill-ify, for lack of a better word, the frequency of her voice when she spoke at a certain volume while driving. It was NBD if I was in the back, but it made my ears ache if I was sitting in the passenger seat in the front. I never told her, because what good would it do? And it has never happened in any other vehicle.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 02:53 PM
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Yeah, he is CIA Deputy Director Bullock.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 04:01 AM
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His turn on American Dad is my favorite of all his roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 03:46 AM
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This is 100% true. Why do guys think that Patrick Stewart has women following him everywhere? Because of his stunning good looks? That man's voice is 🔥
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 03:26 AM
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"I am the wife of someone in this room! You get three guesses."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 12:26 AM
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I don't think that's degrading; I've introduced myself to people that way when we've been places where people know him and his family and I'm the newcomer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 12:00 AM
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No, it is not actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 11:52 PM
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I could never be with a man who wanted me to act like "A Wife," meaning that he expected me to fulfill all the roles of the Office Of Wife with few or no allowances for the fact that I am not "A Wife," I am an individual who is also his wife. I am very willing, even happy, to do lots of Wife Things, but I am not going to do anything at all for the sole reason of "That's what wives do," so I would be a very bad match for a man who expects that kind of thing. Apart from that, a man would need to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 11:12 PM
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Maybe in Canada.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 11:02 PM
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My OP specifically asked for things like your bathroom example because the generalities are not usable. Again, the guys here often say that “being pleasant” is “easy,” so easy, in fact, that it just shows what bitches most modern women are that they can’t seem to manage it. Okay, great. So what, specifically, does it mean to “be pleasant?” “Gestures of affection” is again too vague for me to be able to tell if it is actually easy or not. “I want her to give me a long hug and a for-real kiss when…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 07:51 PM
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Yeah, I was going to say that when I start to feel envious of something that somebody else has, it's my cue to examine my own life and figure out what is causing me a fundamental problem, and then to fix it. I've been through this process two or three times now, although the last time was several years ago. As I get older and understand more about myself and my capabilities and preferences, I am a lot less inclined to be envious of someone who has what seems like a great life on paper, but which…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:49 PM
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Yeah, I was going to say that when I start to feel envious of something that somebody else has, it's my cue to examine my own life and figure out what is causing me a fundamental problem, and then to fix it. I've been through this process two or three times now, although the last time was several years ago. As I get older and understand more about myself and my capabilities and preferences, I am a lot less inclined to be envious of someone who has what seems like a great life on paper, but which…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:48 PM
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Women that don't do those things are competing against women that do. So the standard is there. This is a very weird way to perceive it. I would never ever have a baby out of wedlock, and I am not "competing" with the women who do. They have nothing I want. I wouldn't let their men touch me with a ten-foot pole. I don't even want to be in the same parking lot at those men, and I certainly don't want their children anywhere near mine. I don't compete with those women for anything at all; they and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:40 PM
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Ha, good call, he's 6'2"! We saw his (shorter) cousin at the lake over the Fourth and Cousin tried to squat-shame him. "That's it?" Mr. Abrams was like, "Yeah, that's it, and I still have my original hips."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:30 PM
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The problem with progressive overload for years and years is that you will injure your joints potentially permanently or tweak your back especially as you get older and there won't be any warnings. This is basically what happened to one of Mr. Abrams' cousins who was a powerlifter for years and years. There were contributing factors, but he ultimately ended up needing two hip replacements because of it. He's in pretty crap shape now. Mr. Abrams just tweaked his back doing squats a week or two ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:53 PM
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Because apparently these men think that all women are LMC and lower, and either grew up or currently live in a region or class where women are pumping out OOW babies like it's no big deal. This is one of the biggest tells of class divides on TRP: every so often you will see a terp say that children are the only reason for marriage and then he will get dogpiled by dudes saying noooooooo, it's much better to have children without getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:46 PM
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I don’t know how anyone can say a generation raised after 1980 was raised religious. Have you not heard of the evangelical Christian revival of the 1990s?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:42 PM
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Slate, of all publications, had an extremely alarming article about that today. It sounds like a nightmare in training.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 06:47 AM
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Ha ha ha, none of these men are “asking” their women anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 06:43 AM
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Holy shit my dad would have died and gone to heaven (again, I guess) had he seen that. He had all the N.C. Wyeth illustrated classics, which now belong to Thing 1. Christina's World is a great painting, but if I never have to hear another word about it again, it will be too soon. I would be happy to have him back to listen to him blare on for hours about Mark Rothko, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:35 AM
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And the truth of the matter is a lot of these things are invisible. There's a hundred undefined things before you get to the thing he explicitly asks for. Things that aren't openly and overtly appreciated. These are expectations. And if they need to be defined, then there's probably a fundamental misalignment that's never going to go away. Yes, I agree with this in many ways. The reason I created this OP is that a high proportion of the men here appear to sincerely believe that their wives/LTRs …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:34 AM
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THANK you. I cannot understand why this question is so difficult to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:24 AM
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I don’t “adore” historical figures, and I don’t find these types of analogies valuable at all. They are far too general, when I asked for specificity. And I, along with just about every other woman, am willing to do things for a husband that I would never do for some remote and revered figure such as Lincoln.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 01:53 AM
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I am sometimes interested in it; my dad was a fan and Mr. Abrams is a fan and they would get into it quite often. I've learned a fair amount through osmosis, as one does.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 01:38 AM
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This is not what the OP is about. I am interested in men's articulations of what they mean by this. How do individual men interpret "be nice" and what do individual men mean when they say "be pleasant?" I am not asking anybody to explain it to me. I am interested in individual men's articulations of what they mean by it, particularly since they are so insistent that it is "easy" to be "pleasant."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 01:28 AM
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I would never in a million years expect my wife to sit down and listen to me explain intricacies of Minecraft or Metalcore. The idea of a man not expecting his wife to listen to his exegeses about things like the Plains Wars, the merits of Andrew Wyeth vs. N.C. Wyeth, 19th century New England shipbuilding, Formula One racing, the John Byrne Batman, or the Transcendentalists is nearly unbelievable to me. I have never in all my life known a man who does not expect his woman to spend a lot of time …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 01:19 AM
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Yeah, I agree with this. I read somewhere about the number of positive interactions that are required to cancel out the bad feeling from a negative interaction, and while I can’t remember the exact number, it was surprisingly high - something like 15 to 1. When my sister was married to her first husband, their ratio was something like 3 to 1. Being around them was torture.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 12:21 AM
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My cousin is such a woman, and she's that way because she was spoiled and groomed by her grandmother to be that way. It absolutely did not come out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 11:04 PM
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Yes, the absence of unpleasant behavior is a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 11:00 PM
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As a wife, the number one way I am expected to be pleasant is patience and kind phrasing. Yes, I think this is very common, and the examples that you go on to list are very reasonable. Where it gets tricky is when children enter the picture, because their needs do not always wait until a convenient time. Additionally, sometimes events arise that prompt a panicked or harried tone of voice, and a reaction to the event in question is much more important than taking issue with one's wife's tone. We …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 10:59 PM
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BUT WHAT DOES SHE BRING TO THE TABLE The thing that blows my mind is that I am asking, "Specifically, what do you want her to bring to the table?" and I am still getting every comment of mine downvoted, presumably by someone who finds it offensive to even suggest that men might have expectations that could possibly be difficult to meet at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 09:50 PM
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Thank you very much for this exhaustive and specific list!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 09:48 PM
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Aw.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 09:35 PM
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Because a lot of men on this sub seem to think that men in general don’t want or need this kind of listening or support, so when one tells me that he does, I would like more detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 08:53 PM
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This makes sense and is reasonable. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 08:03 PM
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treating him with some admiration. Thank you for including this, and I would appreciate it if you unpacked it more. This is the kind of detail I was asking for in my OP. Obviously, "admiration" will differ from individual to individual, but how do you want a woman to express her admiration for you in a relationship? What, specifically, does she need to do? If you selected a man you cannot respect or who is lazy, nagging and complaining isn't going to solve the problem. Leave and select better qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 07:53 PM
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Listen to his problems and empathize with him. Unpack this, please. Are you happy with her listening with half an ear and saying "uh-huh" at appropriate intervals while she helps the kids with their homework or cooks dinner? How often is this required? Do you require more active listening and feedback that indicates she's giving your situation measured consideration? Edit: And thank you very much for including this on your list!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 07:48 PM
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The correct quote is "Be hot, Be nice, Be loyal." by the post you quoted. No edits. I have heard it articulated both as "be pleasant" and "be nice," and it was the pleasantness/niceness aspect I wanted to emphasize for this OP. It was not intended to be an exact quote. So you have no other expectations of your SO? The only way she makes things "pleasant" for you are by leaving you alone, not running her mouth, and making a quarterly gesture of appreciation? She is otherwise free to do her own th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 07:25 PM
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On MRP several years ago, BPP, I believe it was, commented on the way that someone's wife was unnerved about the changes he was making. BPP said that if she hadn't wanted him to make those changes, all she would have had to do was "be pleasant" to him before he started making them. Before he started merping, he was an overweight, irresponsible schlub. I'm not quite clear on how that kind of behavior merits "being nice."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 07:21 PM
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too often the focus here is only on the toxically feminine or sexual feminine and not the utility and capabilities of the rest of it. ++
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 07:12 PM
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This is so weird I honestly don't know what to say. My husband seeks my feedback on his writing, because he frankly trips all over his own feet in seeking to articulate his ideas on paper, and I am an outstanding writer. Should he not avail himself of my expertise simply because I am his wife? Whom, instead, should he ask for editing help? There is this TRP idea that ideally, women should admire and respect their husbands, but that their husbands should not care about what their wives think of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 06:24 PM
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you seemed to consider it highly irritating to be forced to make up white lies about something being awesome despite you not really having an opinion on it This happens all the time on this sub. A woman says that she has to do X in her relationship, and the men who read her comment interpret as her saying that she's "annoyed" that she has to do X. Nowhere did she say she was "annoyed." It's just a thing that she has to do in order to have a happy relationship with her husband. There are lots of …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 03:43 PM
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It seems to me that at worst he would get a little mad and stop asking your opinion. You have obviously never lived with a man who is an artist, as his romantic partner. My father was an artist, and his required this exact same kind of feedback from my mother, only his temper was a lot more explosive than I think u/Texastentialism's husband's is, so if he didn't get exactly the feedback from my mother that he was looking for, we all battened down the hatches. Obviously he would never stop asking…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 03:39 PM
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Scarlet macaw or gtfo
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 11:43 PM
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Aw. ☹️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 11:39 PM
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I have. Tell that to all the men here who assume that if a married couple buys a house, the husband is the only one paying for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 11:34 PM
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I am probably going to make an OP about this at some point in the next day or two, so stay tuned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 11:00 PM
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Men require a lot of tending. The extent to which this is invisible to men themselves is astonishing to me, but women seem to be completely unaware of a great many things that they rely on their husbands or boyfriends for, so I guess it shouldn't be all that astonishing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 10:43 PM
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Men are simple .Be hot ,be nice ,be loyal. Yes, this is what men say about themselves. Women who have been in relationships with men and who have lived with them as romantic partners know different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 10:37 PM
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"If a man provides her with a home..."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 10:35 PM
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when you're out? You are making a lot of assumptions here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 06:02 PM
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Yeah, my very first boyfriend named his daughter after me. I was kind of :-| when I heard that. The weird thing was that he and his babymama brought the baby by my parents' house to introduce her to them, so there was zero chance that his gf was unaware of where he got her name. My second boyfriend, from senior year of high school, called me a few weeks before my wedding to ask for an invitation and to tell me that he had written like 14 songs about me. (He is a composer.) I did not send him an …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 05:07 PM
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Insta-smit fist bump.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 04:39 AM
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I would never date someone who didn't give me those crazy brain damaged obsessive feelings though. I fell in love with Mr. Abrams the very minute I met him, and goddamn, did I spend quite a few evenings that year crying my eyes out because he was spoken for. I mentioned the other day that I spent a lot of time that year dating around, meeting up with lots of other guys, not fucking any of them. The reason that I didn't go out with any of them more than once (or fuck any of them) was that none of…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 01:56 AM
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Maybe so, but loving (as opposed to being loved) is where all the rewards are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/19 05:36 AM
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I have three kids and would not date any man at all until they are all grown. I’m not bringing unrelated men around my daughters. Are you kidding me?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/19 03:40 PM
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u/jacktenofhearts had a very very very long OP about active dread versus passive dread. I would link it but I am on mobile; it should be easy to find. He addresses the ways in which passive dread enhances attractiveness, and active dread diminishes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/19 03:28 PM
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This is what I did when I just started grad school, in the year and a half before I got with Mr. Abrams. I didn’t field any marriage proposals, but I went out with lots of guys, didn’t fuck any of them, and had a great time. A++++, would date around again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/19 03:24 PM
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Everything I have to say about you I have said to your face, but hey, you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 04:32 PM
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after becoming religious Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 01:18 AM
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You underestimate the extent to which simply existing as a very goodlooking man who isn’t some kind of antisocial douche will attract lots of women. Of course they are interacting; he sees them every few days and they talk about lifting, about work, et al. This is how normal people interact. He never sees them outside the gym, which is as it should be. His brother is better-looking yet and when we were all in Santa Monica several years ago, women were literally coming up to him on the street and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 04:15 PM
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Maybe they do now, but when I lived in DC, from 1996 - 2007, whenever my friends or I tried to report any type of event, including battery, we were totally blown off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 06:21 PM
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You are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 04:39 PM
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This is a use of statistics to explain why women feel the way they already feel, not an example of women basing their fear on statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 04:23 PM
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I grew up in New England, surrounded by ethnic Catholic men, and they are also like this. My father and u/Texastentialism's father probably would have gotten along just great. My dad's whole family is working-class Polish rough boys. They are everywhere, all over the US, but for some reason, most Reddit people just look right through them like they're not even there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 04:22 PM
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I have never seen so much bad faith in all my life. I don't exactly think that Augustine was debating the morality of some guy asking a girl he doesn't know if he can stay with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 04:12 PM
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It is an indication that I am not going to answer your non-sequitur questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:24 PM
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"Immoral?" I don't see stuff like this in terms of "morality" or "ethics." That is a weird millennial thing that I am too old for.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:22 PM
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This is an example of something that u/Texastentialism has observed in the past: part of the reason that men are victims of violence in greater number than women is that men do not seek to avoid situations where they could be victim to violence to the same extent that women do. If I was on a business trip and some guy in a restaurant started talking to me and trying to reason out where I was staying, I would perceive that as a threat. (Indeed, once, when I was on a business trip, some guy tried …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 06:13 AM
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Yes, the two-month-olds who have been raped to death are not posting on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:55 AM
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If you knew him you would know this was not at all an unreasonable fear. I think a lot of the men posting here have never lived or spent any significant amount of time with a violent man. I grew up with a violent man and what you describe sounds about par for the course, except that my father didn't drink.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:54 AM
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It depends on the pedophiles. There are 2-month-olds who have been raped to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:52 AM
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You are not very good at good faith debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:41 AM
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Are you one of those young people who think that the police hop to every complaint that a woman makes? I once called 911 in DC to report a hit-and-run that left a woman unconscious and bleeding on the street outside my building. I got an impatient sigh and the general impression that the cops might be around to check it out if they didn't have anything better to do. Six hours later, when I went to bed, the woman was gone and the cops were nowhere to be seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:18 AM
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By all means, tell me the benign and unsuspicious reasons that a strange man would be trying to find out where a woman he had just met was staying. Also please tell me how you would scold your daughter for being overcautious if she was wary of such a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:10 AM
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I was ten months old, all white-blonde hair and big blue eyes, when a man snatched me off of my mother’s lap in O’Hare airport. But I am sure he probably just wanted to give her a break or something. Men are so benign, right? All the Reddit Nice Guys can say whatever they want. I am not going to trust them over my father, especially when my father has been proven right again and again. JFC, you NAMALTs. Men in the aggregate are dangerous. They are dangerous to women, to men, and to children. Lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 04:43 AM
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Is the mere knowledge of this fact an act of disloyalty? That's kind of what I'm wondering. I have not been in touch with my high school boyfriend in nearly two decades and have no intention of ever contacting him again, but my sister is Facebook friends with his brother and tells me that he still talks about me plenty. If I got a Facebook account this very minute and reached out to him, I have zero doubt that I'd have a deluge of messages by dinnertime. Mr. Arthur has half a dozen women at thre…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 10:11 PM
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Well, there are not as many female soldiers as there are male soldiers, but there are as many women as there are men, period. Do women sexually assault people in the same numbers that men do? There are a lot more female teachers than there are male teachers. Who commits the majority of sexual abuse or assault of students?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 09:28 PM
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Your comment makes literally no sense to me. If women had been in the military at the same rate as men, you would have likely seen the exact same thing though. Women have never been in any military at the same rate as men, except possibly in modern-day Israel. This is especially true when women are put into positions of power and authority, like what you might see in the military. How does this have anything to do with US (and Soviet) soldiers raping European women during WWII? You think that US…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 08:38 PM
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At some point during my undergraduate career, my dad was haranguing me to do better, do better, do better, always try my best at EVERYTHING, what the hell did I think I was doing, fucking around the way I was, and then he literally stopped mid-sentence and said, "You know what? That's bullshit. Nobody tries their best at everything, all the time. Robert E. Lee didn't try his best at everything, all the time. It's impossible. Figure out your conservation of effort." I had been tiger mommed for my…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:01 PM
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Your understanding of this history is shallow and facile.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 04:37 PM
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I am very sorry to hear this news. I'm thinking of you guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 03:23 PM
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Lane Myers in Better Off Dead? He loses Stacey, but gets himself a pretty sweet French chick by the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 11:11 PM
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The thing is that he probably doesn’t perceive himself to have hit her that hard at all. If another guy his size had hit him that hard, it probably wouldn’t have hurt all that much. I mean, a much lesser version of this has happened in my own life. Mr. Arthur used to smack my ass as though I am another man his size and it fucking hurt a lot. When I explained to him what was going on, he apologized and has not done it again. Male solipsism, only much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 08:40 PM
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Do you think that if I came at my husband with a knife, he would just stand there going "derp derp derp" while I stabbed him about the neck and chest? It would take him about six seconds to get that knife off of me, probably by breaking my arm.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 07:20 PM
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They've just done TKD so far; they're only nine and took a break for the last half of this school year because they were getting burnt out on it. We're moving this summer and they'll have to take it up again next school year (or something; they'll need an after-school activity until we get out of work for the day), but I think that Thing 1 in particular might really enjoy learning another discipline. He got his black belt a little less than a year ago and is kind of "I'm done" regarding TKD at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 05:09 PM
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Self defense training does more harm than good because it gives women a false sense of security as if they can ward of an attacker. My kids take TKD; their master is a guy who used to fight MMA in Vegas before he was married and who now has a wife and five kids, and he refuses to do any kind of "women's self-defense" classes or sessions, specifically for this reason. He won't cater to the delusion that even a trained woman can take down a man who is bigger, stronger, and faster than she is. Anec…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 04:08 PM
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20 years from now your kids may well have switched places. You never know!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 05:23 AM
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History goes in cycles. I'm not exactly thrilled that my son might have to face down certain challenges, but if we lived in a time when those challenges would have posed no problem to him, then my daughters would face down other challenges. Nobody gets what they want all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 04:40 AM
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I am aware, but they are colloquially and legally separated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 04:30 AM
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I literally just read this OP out loud to Mr. Abrams, who has misplaced his reading glasses. After I finished, I said, "The thing with this is that you can tell men all the horrible things about women that you want, all the livelong day. But until a woman burns them, they're not going to believe it." He said, "Bingo."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 04:09 AM
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Who is talking about panic attacks? Would I think that the stranger did something wrong just for saying hi and needs to change his behavior because some women might be scared? Also no This is weird to me. I don't know, maybe it's my generation. My husband wouldn't think that a strange man needed to do anything different, but he would absolutely take me to task if he didn't think I was being cautious of that strange man. My father? He wouldn't give a second thought to that strange man. He perceiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 03:42 AM
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Thank you very much! It got a bit awkward with Thing 3, but oh, well. I'm riding this train all the way to the end of the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 03:37 AM
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But in discussing it on the internet, it is revealed that a lot of men have a serious problem with women classifying strange men as a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 02:23 AM
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He still talks about the time that Dave Bautista randomly showed up at his old gym in Virginia. "Man, that dude was HUGE." Only maybe an inch or two taller, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 01:57 AM
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Men forget this all the time, and I honestly don't blame them; if you have moved through the world at 6'2" and 200 lbs for the past 25 years, then that is your default. I will say, though, that maybe three or four times we have encountered someone who is larger than he is, in the same proportion that he is larger than I am. And each and every time, he has been like 0_0.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 01:46 AM
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"My own boyfriends?" I have been married for close to 20 years, so yeah, if he starts treating me like I'm a plate and justifies it with "AWALT," then yeah, I will have a problem. I don't treat him like AMALT because he is not a strange man, I am very familiar with the potential for violence that resides within him, and I know the circumstances under which he will deploy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 01:44 AM
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Yeah, I'll agree with that, to an extent. We light Thing 2 up like the Fourth of July on the infrequent occasions that she hits her brother, but Thing 1 has been hit by a few girls who apparently didn't get that memo from their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 01:16 AM
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I grew up in a cow town and went to college in one of the richest zip codes in the country, so the whole urban thing was new to me. I didn't kick back about the cab, although when I asked Mr. Abrams if he'd take a cab under the circumstances, he scoffed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 01:04 AM
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are you also agreeing that the sexual strategy defined by TRP (not just branch swinging) can be extrapolated and thrust upon every woman as an inherent part of their character? I have zero problem with men treating women as though AWALT. If my own man starts treating me as though I am about to branch-swing at any second, then I may have a problem with it, but that is neither here nor there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:59 AM
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He was an unknown man, much larger than she, approaching her at night. Even if she was aware that this was someone else's parking spot, it's not like she would automatically know that this was his parking spot. Women are not wrong to be wary of large strange men who approach them at night. So far you have dismissed that caution as paranoid and unjustified without telling me why it is paranoid or unjustified, so while you are arguing vigorously, you're not actually doing much to C my V.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:48 AM
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She may or may not have known that she was in someone else's parking spot. I have visited friends at complexes where it was not at all clear which spots were for visitors and which were for residents. There's no additional responsibility on men to "act safe" just because some women are paranoid. The point of my OP is that women are generally not paranoid when it comes to being cautious around unknown men. I'm not a threat to you, but I'm not obligated to go out of my way to show you that. Correc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:35 AM
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Related women do, absolutely. A mother is far more likely to abuse her children than a daycare provider or a nanny. To be fair, my wariness about unrelated men has more to do with sexual abuse than physical abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:32 AM
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I said she was a bitch. The more he detailed the incident (Friday night; other parking spots difficult to come by), the more aggravated I got on his behalf. She was absolutely a bitch! I hope she moved, or that someone fined the absolute shit out of her. That does not negate the fact that she was justified in being alarmed at his approach. He meant her no harm, but she had no way of knowing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:29 AM
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This is a good point. I could hit my husband in the face as hard as I could and I'd maybe blacken his eye. If he hit me in the face as hard as he could, he would literally kill me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:27 AM
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Can't C your V on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:22 AM
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I got this OP title from something that my own father used to tell me all the time when I was young. The only two pieces of advice he ever gave me that were remotely related to romance were "boys will lie to get what they want" and "men are dangerous." That was all he told me, and it was all he needed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:17 AM
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I don't understand your second sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:15 AM
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Yeah, Mr. Arthur has had plenty of women cross the street to avoid him after dark. He has never taken any offense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:15 AM
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No one is talking about being told to show your tits or talking shit. I'm not, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:14 AM
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I have been "verbally assaulted" while minding my own business, walking down the street, in some of the most expensive neighborhoods of our nation's capital. Some of the men who did it were obviously homeless and/or criminal; some of the men who did it were not. The extent to which you believe that regular guys do not engage in antisocial behavior, even right out in public where others can see it, is kind of touching.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:08 AM
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The rape distinction is a good one, although I disagree with your position that the reason women detest rape is that it removes her sexual choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:05 AM
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But only one of these things is broadly socially acceptable, even though both are reasonable, self-protective perspectives. ???? Women protecting themselves from strange men will often (although not always) involve measures that are visible to observers, such as crossing the street or quickening their step. Men protecting themselves from AWALT doesn't really involve anything that would be visible to an observer. How would anybody pass judgment on something they don't see?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:03 AM
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No, not "literally anything." The woman you refer to was a rude bitch, although I'd argue she was ruder for parking in a spot that wasn't hers. Nobody is going to say that a woman is justified in shooting a man who approaches her on the street, or calling on her friends to pre-emptively beat some guy up. If by "anything," you mean loud rudeness, that doesn't seem like such a cataclysm to me. Lots of people are rude. I saw an older man literally screaming at a younger woman in the supermarket jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 12:00 AM
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Humans are dangerous, but women act on that potential far less frequently than men do. I would have no problem having an unrelated woman (such as a nanny), whose background I have thoroughly checked, being alone in the house with my children. I will never have an unrelated man alone with my children for any reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 11:49 PM
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It takes a tremendous amount of missteps for a woman to even be verbally assaulted much less physically assaulted when men would have had their asses beaten 20 missteps earlier. Furthermore, the same men who would target women are the men who target men. They are praying on weakness. Whether its a soyboy or a 4'9" girl with cokebottle glasses, it doesn't matter. They are a means to an end, whether its cash, pussy or entertainment. This demonstrates a level of misunderstanding such that I am not …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 11:48 PM
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Okay, what do you mean by "all manner of behavior?" Because usually it involves crossing the street to avoid a man, walking more quickly to get away from a man, running away from a man, or asking in a loud voice what that man's intentions are. Some of these things might be perceived as unmannerly by the person on the receiving end, but I'm not sure if there is anything to be done for that, and I am quite sure that the woman doing those things will not and should not care about being perceived as…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 11:39 PM
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Exactly so. It is the difference between "I am insulted; I know that I would never pose a danger to any of these women" and "Look at all these strange men who pose a threat to my beloved daughter."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 11:33 PM
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Well, of course; men are the same way. That's why I say that the potential for that kind of violence resides within all of them, not the active intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 11:30 PM
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I mean, it's possible for both things to be true. She was a bitch who shouldn't have parked in your spot; she was also legitimately alarmed at the large strange man who came up to her car late at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 11:23 PM
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Who is talking about ten bolted locks? Some of the male commenters on that OP literally think that men being easily able to physically overpower women is a ridiculous exaggeration. This is a level of denial that almost rises to mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 11:22 PM
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People are dangerous. The vast majority of women are not going to cross the street when another woman starts coming up the block. It is disingenuous in the extreme to dismiss the danger that men pose to women (and one another!) by saying that "all people are dangerous." You are 6'4" and work out; my husband is 6'2" and also works out. He doesn't worry too much about his physical safety, either. But there have been plenty of times that he has insisted I take a cab super early in the morning rathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 11:20 PM
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-people tell young boys to be polite and gentle to their peers, young girls since young girls aren’t always as rough and tumble as boys, and they the boys carry this notion into their teen years when it was just a basic manners thing with young kids so they’d get along, it was never meant to be taken as dating advice when they grew up. The twins sometimes get physical with one another. No big surprise, and we discipline them both the same way for it, but I worry a lot more about Thing 1 tuning u…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 07:30 PM
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Yeah, it was and is pretty gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 07:05 PM
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DID he turn out to be gay? Ah ha ha ha ha
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 06:56 PM
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Ugh, yeah, I remember Jessica Simpson's dad talking about A. her virginity and B. her giant rack, and wanting to throw up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 06:37 PM
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It was mainly a Midwestern and Southern thing, and not really a Catholic thing at all (at least at first). I grew up in New England and went to college in Philly, and remember hearing about purity balls et al and thinking that it sounded like evangelical Protestant foolishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 06:29 PM
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Can't really C your V on this. My only possible quibble might be on diverging definitions of "bitch," which will be subject to as many different definitions as the word "asshole." Some here will perceive any woman who declines to be jerked around as a "bitch;" some will save that definition for a woman who acts grouchy and cutting for no real reason; and so on. I sometimes toy with the idea of creating a PPD taxonomy of terms such as "bitch" and "asshole" and "feminine" et al et al. I have lost …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 06:11 PM
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Yeah, I actually do really like rose gold quite a bit, but I can't look at it without seeing how it will look dated very soon. :-(
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 05:07 PM
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Rose gold is the avocado green of the 2010s. It is so interesting to me how people tumble headlong into color trends, when every indication has already been given that they are a temporary thing. Whole industries are predicated on it! I see so many rose gold accoutrements at Target!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 04:43 AM
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I've worked in defense my whole career, and it's a heavily majority male area, so I don't really know. My BFF is one of my DC girlfriends, but she is hardly representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 04:38 AM
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"Average" - in the colloquial sense, not in the literal sense - is purely a function of one's peer group. I described my "average" here once, a while back, and got told that I was living on Mars. Okay, whatever. That's still the general type of person I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 03:59 AM
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I recently learned that rose gold caskets are now a thing. If I were on IG, I would await their appearance there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 03:56 AM
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Okay, then I legit do not know where you're going with this. Getting up at 0430 to go to the gym might suck, but anybody who does it perceives the cost/benefit to work in their favor. I am trying to think of a difficult thing where the cost/benefit would not work in someone's favor, and the person does it anyway, and I am coming up short. It would be very hard for me to get a MA in math, and it would do nothing for my career, and it would take a lot of time away from things I want to do and enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 08:49 PM
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Since he's so bad ass I always wondered why HE didn't do what was necessary. All of his doctors have told him. HE should have all the discipline in the world due to all the hard work. Both of my BILs. Still don't though. Do you think that "discipline" is some sort of immutable quality, and that if you have enough of it to do one hard thing, you therefore have enough of it to do any number of hard things? I have a Ph.D. Most people who start those programs don't finish them, by a factor of way. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 08:34 PM
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Do you think that it is impossible to buy firewood? Of course we could have had it delivered. We didn't, because it would have cost too much, and we had acres of woods abutting the back yard. The only people who preen about "hard work" or "discipline" are the people who have a choice about doing it. My mother picked cotton in the Oklahoma sun, for money, when she was five years old, and she has never congratulated herself about "hard work." I have gone to the gym at 0500. The moment when I have …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 08:23 PM
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"Choose" ha ha ha ha. I cut and hauled more firewood in 1983, when I was eight years old, than just about all the merps put together have over their entire lifetimes, and it sure as shit wasn't because my father gave me any choice about it. Lifting weights at 0430 isn't "hard." Even getting my Ph.D. wasn't very "hard." None of the things you listed are all that hard. Even the 41-year-old marriage. So what? My parents were married for 52 years by the time my father died, and at least two decades …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 07:47 PM
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In my 30s I used to have to brief a general officer at 0630 three days a week. I was at work NLT 0530, which meant that I had to get up NLT 0430 to beat the traffic, because the military presence in DC means that rush hour starts at 0500. This job wasn't even remotely physical, and I need a lot less sleep than most people, and I still went to bed at around 10 on nights when I briefed the following morning. At a certain point in your life, night after night of four hours of sleep is literal tortu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 04:55 PM
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It's over for Camrycels.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 10:10 PM
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I can't decide if that would be tempting, because witty, or alarming, because he would know what that meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 09:47 PM
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I would hope that men would have enough self-respect to only fuck tailpipes that are in good repair, as opposed to the piece of shit tailpipe this dude was fucking. (I think this took place in sub-Sarahan Africa, though, so it's not as though he likely had a wide variety of fine automobiles to choose from.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 09:47 PM
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Because men are looking at women as being attractive enough to have sex with, which is 99.9999999999% of women and those are the ones that are alive. Most men do not care who they have sex with. Bowl of warm jello? Woo hoo. Hole in the wall? Woo hoo. Mr. Abrams and I were talking about this only yesterday. I told him about the gif of the dude fucking the tailpipe, and how it was emblematic of the reasons that no, women do not find it "validating" or "flattering" to know that a lot of men want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 06:27 PM
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Neighborhood walks are fun, now that the fucking rain has given us a break. The kids need the exercise. Burn off some energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 05:12 PM
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About to start packing up the twins' closet, with their help. I have incentivized them to do this the easy way (not flipping out about the fact that a lot of this crap will be thrown way), but they still might go hard. I guess we'll find out. You?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 04:45 PM
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I am too old to be surprised anymore by the way that problems can smack people in the face like a big old flounder, and those people go right on to marry those exact problems. Humans gonna human.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 04:39 PM
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Nah, I was just checking. I don't care about all the rest of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 04:38 PM
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Example is a woman wearing ultra tight yoga pants and doing her routines in the middle of the gym so all the thirsty guys stare at her Ha, there was a woman at our old gym who used to do this early on weekday mornings, and I thought she was mentally ill or something. It literally never occurred to me until now that she was doing it as exhibitionism for the thirsty. Duh duh duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 03:47 PM
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It’s a crazy standard for men if it comes from Outside, as in this case, and whether it’s a standard for baseline marriage happiness. I will agree with the former, but not necessarily the latter. X amount of porn consumption may well be a dealbreaker for a given woman, just as X amount of dicking around on social media may be a dealbreaker for a given man. Oh, well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 03:43 PM
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I thought you were in an interracial marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 03:40 PM
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Have you ever read any of her other writing? Because this is entirely in line with her style, which has always been flighty and frivolous. Indeed, this piece is considerably more serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 04:48 AM
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You are thinking of Anwar Al Aliki, who was assassinated in Yemen, along with his 14-year-old son, who was collateral damage. Both of them were American citizens. Al Aliki had radicalized more people against the US than just about anybody else, for years. I have spoken to government employees who debriefed captured Islamists during that time, and to a man, they all said that he was the one who turned them. And there was still a considerable outcry against Obama when he made that call. It was the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 04:41 AM
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I expect him to not spend too much time thinking about other women, obviously. If it turned out that he was burning a lot of time and energy thinking about other women, yeah, I wouldn’t be too thrilled. I mean, do you think he just walks around randomly thinking, “Wow, it must suck to be a woman who is sexually harassed at work?”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 04:35 AM
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I'm curious, do you want individual women to empathize with "men?" Because I can tell you right now that my actual husband would not be too thrilled if I took time and energy away from him to contemplate the problems of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 02:53 AM
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It’s kind of alarming to me, honestly, because it speaks to not only a total lack of knowledge about our collective past, but also a total lack of curiosity about it. No understanding of what poverty was like in the US as recently as a generation or two ago, or why the Great Society existed in the first place. Everyone thinks that all the outhouses went away in the late 19th century, and that everybody in postwar America had a car and a Levittown house and a SAHM.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 08:49 PM
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Women empathize with men (THEIR SPECIFIC MEN, not “men”) all the time. It just doesn’t take forms that men enjoy, and then those women also often end up not really wanting to fuck those men anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 05:47 PM
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Is digging in the dirt easier? No. Is working in the office more depressing? Yes. My mother grew up on a subsistence farm in Oklahoma. She didn't have electricity until she was five and didn't have indoor plumbing until she was eight. Every so often she talks about the time her family moved to a new (to them) house when she was six or so, and she thought they were MOVIN' ON UP because the outhouse had not one seat, but two: an adult seat (hole in a plank of wood) and a child seat (smaller hole n…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 04:03 PM
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I have a good friend whose family (three kids) limped along with a CRV for years and years and then he finally bought a Flex and now he is all 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍 about that thing. "There is ROOM!!!! for the kids to PUT THEIR STUFF!!!!!" We had a Suburban for years and years and I was like, "Yeah, isn't it great?"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 03:58 PM
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Yes, I am aware. Just as some people prefer the Yukon to the Suburban. In DC, where a black escorted Suburban is the ultimate status symbol, Suburbans are what soccer moms drive. Escalades are vaguely trashy. But who knows what Jersey soccer moms drive? Not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 05:25 AM
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+++++++++++
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 05:02 AM
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Maybe if you're Carmella Soprano, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 03:53 AM
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Me, too, but I had to drive through their neighborhood every day on my way to our 1066sf GI Joe postwar house.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 09:26 PM
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In what universe? When we lived next to the neighborhood full of $3 million 1930s stone houses, lobbyist husbands, tennis-playing SAHMs, live-in housekeepers, and gaggles of private-school children, all the moms drove Suburbans.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 09:06 PM
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I’m 44 and have been married for 18 years, with my husband for 21. What does “better” mean here? Better looking? Richer? More ambitious? I probably could have found someone who gets paid more, but that has never been something I ever cared about, so that would be no better to me. Indeed, such a man would probably be worse, because I have a self-actualizing career that is very important to me, and a dude who made lots of money would probably not be terribly interested in having to deal with his w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:32 PM
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Bingo. If they start saying, “I have crippling social anxiety and find it literally impossible to make eye contact or say hello to a stranger,” then suddenly the onus is on them to do something about it, as opposed to the comparative indulgence afforded “bUt I Am aN iNtROvErT!”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:25 PM
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You are probably midway between me and my sister.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:20 PM
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Happy birthday!!! 🎁🎊🎉🎂🎈🍾🍾🍾
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:18 PM
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My sister doesn’t have any wisdom teeth at all. I think there are a few other teeth she also doesn’t have. My wisdom teeth were so huge and stubborn that my oral surgeon had to saw each one into quarters before he could chisel them from my jaw. It took close to six hours. I think my sister may be quite a few steps up the evolutionary scale from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:17 PM
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What do you think used to happen to men with bad reputations? They weren't received in polite society. Men wouldn't do business with them. Fathers wouldn't allow them to marry their daughters. Is there some right to do whatever thing you like and live totally free of any consequences for it? Is every man completely unaware of the fact that women have always talked about men and let one another know who tries to take liberties that he shouldn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 10:14 PM
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Situational Differences There was an OP a while back that dealt with this, sort of. A lot of guys don't seem to understand that a woman might find something sexy or hot when she's, you know, actually having sex, but find it unappealing or repugnant when she isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 09:07 PM
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LOL you learned a new word today! English has so many words that mean almost the same thing, but are a shade off from one another, and a lot of difference can reside in that one shade.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 08:44 PM
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From M-W.com: Prevaricate and its synonyms "lie" and "equivocate" all refer to playing fast and loose with the truth. "Lie" is the bluntest of the three. When you accuse someone of lying, you are saying he or she was intentionally dishonest, no bones about it. "Prevaricate" is less accusatory and softens the bluntness of "lie," usually implying that someone is evading the truth rather than purposely making false statements. "Equivocate" is similar to "prevaricate," but it generally implies that …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 08:39 PM
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That's not what "prevarication" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 08:27 PM
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I think they have this 60-year-old idea that the wife will work as a secretary or something and support the husband through law/med/business school, and then he will start earning Big Beta Buxx and she'll quit work and be set for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 08:25 PM
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This is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 07:19 PM
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Nobody believes that except for the most extreme of second-wave feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 07:09 PM
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Just because you’re not on top of the social food chain, doesn’t make you nicer and a better person. This is something I have noticed with a certain kind of guy. They for-real think that confidence and lack of prevarication is a moral failing. It is weirdly Puritan, in some ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 05:06 PM
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38 - 40 weeks is full term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/19 09:15 PM
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Yes, because women (IN GENERAL) are nowhere near as dangerous to others as men are (IN GENERAL). I thought that part of RP was understanding that male and female nature are different. I am honestly kind of shocked at the terps insinuating that a violent, mentally ill man is somehow no more dangerous than a violent, mentally ill woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 09:13 PM
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Yes, men are far more likely than women to behave in antisocial ways that remove them from mainstream society, and to not have personal networks that might act as safety nets for them. Are people under the impression that the average long-term homeless man is some nice software developer whose wife kicked him out?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 08:25 PM
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Homeless men refuse shelter spots because they’re not allowed to bring their drugs or weapons with them. So, yeah, I guess that not being able to degrade the shelter environment is why homeless men do not avail themselves of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 07:29 PM
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Oh, okay. My bad! I thought you had changed your view on DV shelters, but not on homeless men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 06:51 PM
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If your view is still that homeless men aren’t in shelters because “society” wants them to freeze to death, then your view is still wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 06:33 PM
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Are you kidding? There are SO MANY MORE shelter spots for homeless men. Homeless men don’t want them, for all kinds of reasons. Before every big snowstorm in DC, the Post always runs an article on how volunteers are busting their asses trying to get homeless men off the streets so they won’t freeze to death, and the homeless dudes tell them to pound sand. Further, the “shelters” you are referring to are domestic violence shelters, not homeless shelters, which is why I had no idea why you would h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 06:19 PM
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Why did you think that those shelters were women-only in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 06:07 PM
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The OP literally asks for people’s individual feelings on the matter. You might think that is foolish, but it is far from the only OP on this sub to ask about people’s individual feelings about this or that aspect of the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 05:51 PM
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Ha ha ha ha ha
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 05:30 PM
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I wonder how these guys would react to being groped by a much older man instead of a same-aged girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 04:18 PM
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Ha ha ha ha "watch what she does, not what she says!" She says: If X doesn't happen, I am out. She does: Get out. Who can predict this mysterious creature???
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 02:20 AM
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“I hAd No iDeA sHe WaS sO UPseT AboUt tHiS!” (This was actually my parents; my mom gave him one year; my dad didn’t do anything; boy, was he surprised when she left. But when she told him that she wasn’t coming back unless he had X number of appointments set up over the next Y weeks, you better believe he took her seriously. He did what she wanted, and she came back. They were married for 52 years by the time he died.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 02:03 AM
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The funny thing is how few guys understand this. They think it is an opening gambit and they have lots of time to negotiate and come to an agreement, when their wife has actually been begging them for discussion or resolution for years. Wife: “If you don’t get help for your PTSD sometime in the next six months, I will leave you.” Husband: Huh, I didn’t know that bothered her. Maybe I’ll call the VA or something. Whatever, I don’t need to solve this problem right now. Wife, six months later: Leav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/19 01:20 AM
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A lot of ethnic women are, as well. The women in my dad’s family are super direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 10:36 PM
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My dad raised me like a boy. It was fantastic for me, and benefitted me hugely, but as I note in that comment, the vast majority of men don't want anything to do with a woman like me in a romantic sense, and I don't think there's anything you can do while raising them to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 06:55 PM
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Yeah, Mr. Abrams was going to join the Army, back in those dim pre-9/11 days of nostalgic collective memory, and his recruiter told him flat-out that he'd have a problem with the weight charts. Mr. Abrams was like "WTF dude I have a 34" waist and I bench 345," and the recruiter was like, "Yeah, I know, but everybody has to fit into the chart, and the chart says you're a fatass."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 06:49 PM
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Ha ha ha ha right? "Hey, I heard that Christine really liked your hair! That's great!"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 06:45 PM
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These women are not super direct with criticism towards their men, not until they're ready to leave the marriage. This is one thing that MRP actually gets right. These women drop hints and want their men to figure it out on their own. They don't want to have to be direct. Being super direct means that they have instigated the change that they are seeking in their man, which means it's not "authentic." (Indirectness also preserves their man's pride, at least a little bit.) It's much better to say…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 06:43 PM
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"Oh, did you get that top while you were in Spain? It's... interesting." "Alice wanted to get everybody over to her house at around four, but I told her you wouldn't be able to make it until seven at least. We all know you work so hard." "Look at you! Not everybody would be confident enough to try to pull off that kind of look with her hair, but you are just so confident, aren't you?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 06:40 PM
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NP! I am always happy to yak yak yak and blithely tell other people what books to read! (Out of the Slate article that I mentioned yesterday evening, I really do recommend Stampp's The Peculiar Institution and Genovese's Roll, Jordan, Roll. They are still very very important works, and the Genovese, particularly, is fascinating and wildly readable. I've still got my marked-up undergraduate copy lurking around somewhere.)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 03:24 PM
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If you want to get more into historiography, E.H. Carr's What Is History? is the landmark work, and very accessible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 02:59 PM
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My expertise is mainly from the Russo-Japanese War onward, but let me poke around a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 05:51 AM
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This article is a good perspective on a major historical issue - American chattel slavery - and how historians have treated it differently as time has gone by.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 05:49 AM
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I think that this criticism does not take into consideration the existence of the field of historiography. Of course historical interpretations change over time. A colleague and I once mooted the idea of writing a comprehensive history of the War on Terror, similar to Gerhard Weinberg's A World At Arms, and ultimately discarded the idea due to the fact that it is such a recent event that such a work would inevitably end up more of an artifact of journalism than a major historical contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 05:28 AM
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My Ph.D. was in military history and security policy. I have worked in that field for my whole entire life, even before I had a Ph.D.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 05:18 AM
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Might it be possible that there is more to gender studies than is discoverable in a Google search?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 05:16 AM
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Oh, wow, a GOOGLE SEARCH! Whatever did I waste all those years on for a history Ph.D. when I could have just GOOGLED!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 05:10 AM
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Not if both parties know the score. I once visited a mind-bendingly classified facility, and when I entered, a tall Chadly Marine Colonel unfolded himself from his seat and grinned at me. We proceeded to flirt for the next fifteen minutes, while I asked him the questions that I was there to ask, and he answered. When were done, he went back to his work and I left the facility. Both of us knew the score: two people having a little fun with one another to brighten up an otherwise routine day. We b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:21 AM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 01:07 AM
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What a shock, that the presence of humans who are larger than women or children and who consume more food than women or children means that more time must be spent shopping for and cooking food, and taking care of physical needs like laundry. WHAT A SHOCK.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 12:50 AM
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Why is that "interesting?" When he's not here, I'm the largest person in this house and I wear a medium. He's got eight inches and more than sixty pounds on me; his clothes are a lot bigger, and he goes through a lot of them, especially since he goes to the gym a bunch of days a week. He also doesn't have as many clothes as the kids do, so when he's here, we have to do laundry pretty much daily. We generally eat after the kids have gone to bed. (OH NO WE DON'T DO THE SACRED FAMILY DINNER) When h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 11:48 PM
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In the absence of the guy, she still has to cook and clean and care for the kids, but now she's doing it with far less money and only slightly less meals and laundry work. Also, I dispute this. We have been doing long-distance this year, for a variety of reasons; Mr. Abrams is home on the weekends but out of town during the week. We have three kids, and it is a LOT less work when he is not home. I can feed the kids whatever for dinner; I can scrounge whatever for dinner. It's considerably less l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 11:38 PM
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I have no idea. I was only responding to your mooted situation, which stipulated a man who did literally nothing else besides bring home a paycheck. In the real world, lots of men don't do an equal share of housework, but they make up for it in other ways that are meaningful to their wives. I do more housework and more yardwork than Mr. Abrams. Even so, if he is outside shoveling the driveway, I am not going to nag him to fold laundry when he gets back in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 11:26 PM
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I've had people here ask me why we don't hire help, and the answer is that we can't afford to hire the kind of help that we'd need. Sure, it'd be kind of cool to have someone in once every week or two to vacuum and clean the bathrooms, but in the meantime, I've got three kids generating laundry and messes every damned day. Someone who comes in every other week isn't going to be there when I come downstairs on Saturday and every surface in the kitchen has smudgy fingerprints all over it. She's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 11:22 PM
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You are thinking about this like a man. I am telling you how a woman would experience it. The kind of woman who cares about all the stuff you're assuming that she cares about will never in a million years be able to give a cheerful shrug while she covers down on absolutely everything and he sits on the couch playing video games. In the absence of the guy, she still has to do all that stuff with less money, but she doesn't have to watch a giant lazy carbon blob, whose thoughts and needs and prefe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 11:15 PM
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Why are you assuming that the extra money coming into the household outweighs the downsides of having this particular man around? I mean, the premise of your OP is that we're talking about a woman who cares about things like how the house looks and what kinds of meals the kids are eating. She's not a woman who is happy sitting on orange crates, eating takeout pizza seven days a week, because otherwise there would be no "downside" to this guy who does nothing around the house but brings in a payc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 11:09 PM
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I commend you!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:43 PM
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"Allowed" by whom? To what "dogma" are you referring? Do you know that the academic discipline of gender studies isn't just a bunch of people yelling at one another on the internet about feminism and sexism? That there is a literature and a body of arguments that you need to be familiar with before "challenging the dogma?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:39 PM
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How do you propose a humanities discipline should follow the scientific method?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:16 PM
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The engineering humanities, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:05 PM
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It's not, and they don't think it's legit. I once had a very nice and civil exchange with a terp who ended up getting very pissed when I said that history is not a neat succession of names and dates, and there is a lot of messiness and ambiguity to it, and that the study of history itself and interpretations of events change a great deal over time. This is very basic funnybook historiography, but he completely lost his shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:00 PM
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I am very disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:58 PM
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The men here, and especially the manosphere (including the alt right), value art, culture, and the classic humanities. They absolutely do not, are you kidding me? They don't even know enough about them to value them. In this OP, you can read the comments to learn that a lot of terps don't know the basics of history and art and literature, to an embarassing degree. And in the comments on this OP, you can see them literally making things up; i.e. that "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" was a medieval f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:57 PM
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Every single time I mention that I get paid a shocking amount of money to consolidate large amounts of STEM information into a well-written, cohesive whole that can be easily understood by general officers and SES people with limited time and limited patience, who need that information to make operational decisions, I get downvoted to the extreme by STEMtards who think that history is just a succession of names and dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:48 PM
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does anyone on this sub actually know what gender studies is? No, they think it's reading articles from the Daily Mail's lady section and getting overwrought about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:41 PM
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Saying that PPD is "gender studies" is like saying that reading "Master and Commander" makes you a naval historian. Which a non-zero number of guys IRL have pretty much told me, so I guess that this OP makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:40 PM
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The thing that MRP doesn't understand about this is that in the military, the XO is 100% capable of shouldering the Captain's role. Indeed, if the Captain is incapacitated, the XO had fucking better shoulder it, immediately. MRP talks a lot of blather about how the Captain is the Captain because the "FO" isn't capable of performing that role, which may be true for them individually. But that is absolutely not the case in the real-life military. Redundancy of command is a thing for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 04:55 PM
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Analog.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 04:53 PM
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YOU DONE MESSED UP A-ARON!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 03:41 AM
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Ha ha ha, there is, but it doesn’t even begin to approach the amount written about the characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 07:38 PM
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I wonder if they were also less puritanically christian the the NE settlers. It would be difficult for anybody to be more puritan than the Puritans, you know? I recommend Albion's Seed, by David Hackett Fischer. He also wrote Washington's Crossing, which is equally good, and which begins to explore the themes that he examines more fully (the different British populations that settled different parts of the US, and how their backgrounds and American geography influenced their development as Ameri…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:37 PM
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You are lacking a woman's perspective on the good-looking guy from whom she puts up with what you think is a staggering amount of bullshit. I guaran-goddamn-tee you that the "bullshit" she's putting up with does not include him sitting there, blank-faced, uttering as few words as he can.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:35 PM
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I didn't know that "believing in equality" means NO FLIRTING.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:18 PM
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You are looking at this with a man's perspective. The amount of "bullshit" a woman will put up with from a man whose overall aspect she finds attractive is staggering. But even u/Atlas_B_Shruggin will tell you that she eventually could no longer even pretend to be attracted to the single best-looking guy she ever knew, because while his looks were attractive, his overall aspect was not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:14 PM
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Men and women are very different in this respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:12 PM
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1) She is overwhelmed by his appearance. Aka LOOKS. But women being "overwhelmed" by some guy's appearance only is not really a thing for much longer than 15 seconds or so. If he just stands there like a stoic retard, she is going to not only no longer find him attractive, she will start to find him unattractive. Women are attracted to a man's overall aspect: his looks, the way he moves his body, his facial expressions, his voice, the way he carries himself, the way he talks to her and others, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:08 PM
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Now, watch Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/19 09:06 PM
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As I noted yesterday, my father made it his business to make sure that I would never submit to anybody except possibly him. This was his way of protecting me. I was also not raised in a culture that expected all women to submit to or defer to all men. (My mother was, and she intentionally did not transmit that message to my sister or me.) So no, I am not submissive. I defer to Mr. Abrams plenty, but he did not want a "submissive" wife in the sense that I believe TRP and MRP mean it. I have no pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/19 07:34 PM
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I would never ever ever want to be married to someone like him, and I specifically sought out men who were different from him in several key ways. Funny enough, my husband is a lot like my dad in several respects, but he's his opposite in the areas where that's important to me. Oh hai i know these feelz
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 09:34 PM
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I've talked about my upbringing here before. My dad was a feral alpha with combat-related PTSD who ruthlessly routed out any hint of weakness in my sister and me: weakness gets you killed. It was the most effective way of protecting us that he knew of. My mother is very traditional and feminine in the actual sense of those terms, not the weird modern cosplay sense. She is very family oriented. She would do anything for her children. She values connection and understanding. I absorbed enough of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 09:33 PM
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"Men are dogs." Not sexist or misandrist, right? I mean, I like dogs. I love my dogs. I treat them like royalty. I've seen a lot of insane behavior from 30-45 year old women that I've never seen from men. I used to work with a general officer whose professional behavior was so appalling that he was investigated by his service branch's Inspector General for abuse. Have you ever seen one of these investigations? Everybody hates them. The IG interviews loads of people and usually they clam the fuck…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 03:32 PM
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My proposal is mandatory military/public service for 2-4 years after high school in exchange for tuition. Also make colleges open their books to the public and show where all that fucking money goes. There is nothing stopping most high school students from enlisting after they graduate high school. (Except their poor physical condition and possible behavioral conditions that make them unfit for service.) I wish more young people did this. It is pretty obvious where all the money goes. There is M…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 03:12 PM
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men seem less eager to judge the feminimity of their partners. Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 03:31 AM
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Having some kind of investment in me filling the Official Role of “Wife” or “Girlfriend.”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 12:27 AM
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I said mores, not morals. Roman Empire, lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 11:13 PM
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Have you not read anything in this thread? Culture, values, mores.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 11:02 PM
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Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 10:56 PM
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extreme morning sickness about a day or two later You know that implantation does not take place until at least a few days later, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 03:21 AM
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I think Southern UC can be especially weird for some reason Yes, it will not surprise you that there has been research on this! The Southern planter UC (especially the women) lived much more isolated lives than their Northern counterparts, who were often located in more urbanized areas. Further, a very different type of English person settled in the South than settled in the North. The weirdness of the Southern UC has a certain amount in common with the weirdness of the British UC.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 12:41 AM
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I would sell my goddamned soul for a coffee Awful Awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 12:38 AM
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Tell the Creamery I say hello!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 11:51 PM
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I teach for your crown jewel academy! And there is a reason I teach for them and not for Exeter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 11:34 PM
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Are you even kidding me? Take those ice cream forks! Antique silver is the absolute best.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 10:56 PM
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I hate to break it to you, but: Military and DoD values and mores in general are super prole, even among the senior officer ranks. (Paging u/SmurfESmurferson for backup.) It is its own ecosystem, and unless you are someone like this guy), who descends from old Southern aristocracy, even the highest rank does not afford you automatic entree into the UC or even the UMC. Again, u/Atlas_B_Shruggin is referring to actual feminism, not bullshit internet anything-a-woman-says-is-feminism feminism. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 10:29 PM
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She wouldn't really have the margin for error that a born UC person would have, though. Although an awareness of the fact that the UC can be... quirky, could be useful to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 09:39 PM
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I have a good friend whose family background is similar to yours! Louisiana instead of Georgia, though. She has lots of family photos of various ancestors posed on the steps of the family plantation house, as well as a rich heritage of ancestral sterling silver strawberry spoons, ice cream forks, and grape scissors. Her parents converted to B'ahai in the 1960s, like the dutiful UC weirdos that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 09:37 PM
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UC is more culture than money. Trump has more money than my husband's family will ever have, combined, in all their lives. They all despise Trump for his boorish parvenu manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 09:36 PM
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When we went to Nantucket the first thing we did, even before walking by Mr. Abrams' old summer house, was hit Murray's Toggery to buy all the shorts that his dad and brother had asked him to get while he was on the island. Imagine my bliss when I discovered that they also carried Jack Rogers sandals in my size.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 09:04 PM
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Uh, no? Marriage licenses are searchable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 08:12 PM
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???? I never claimed that his family was "global elite." They are a family with a multigenerational Exeter legacy and a multigenerational Ivy League legacy. There are endowed scholarships and fellowships with their name at these institutions. Mr. Abrams' great-grandmother was invited to (and attended) the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II. By any definition, they are American UC. American UC is not at all the same thing as global elite. Makes sense but once you got the money dispensed to you who'…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 08:03 PM
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He has received no "bag" and will not until not just his father, but his father's sister have died. And yes, the rules are the same for all: nobody can touch the trust until the preceding generation is gone. The ancestor wanted to encourage hard work and strong family, not bestow a means of dissolute and degenerate living. Illegitimate children, for example, are excluded from the trust, as is their parent who might otherwise inherit. Keep in mind that I did not know that this trust even existed …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 07:54 PM
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They may not "prefer to listen to it," but it is part of their common cultural language. If don't know who Bach was, you may not fit in.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 07:50 PM
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No, because he was right. Why should he want to stay with someone who moans "This is haaaaaaaaaaaarrrrd" instead of finishing what she set out to do? Why should he want someone who does the easy thing instead of the right thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 07:49 PM
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Yeah, my parents cared a lot about my cultural literacy. There were nights I went to bed hungry as a child, but my mother would wait for Greyhound to have a super duper sale and she'd take me to NYC to go to the Met and the Frick. My dad played Rimsky-Korsokov for me at bedtime. (Russian Easter Overture! So tranquil!) It made a big difference to Mr. Arthur that I knew about all that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 07:47 PM
2

No handouts. All the terms were set by a very stern ancestor who vigorously disapproved of bastard children or layabout descendents.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 07:44 PM
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It might not end up how you think. My husband is UC, yeah, but it doesn’t really inform our everyday lives. All his family money is locked down in a trust that we won’t be able to touch for decades. There are strict rules on how to access it, and who is allowed to access it. This is not unusual. Most UC people are not the Fulbrights. We earn our livings, same as most people. And if you are LMC or WC, be prepared for your values and mores to conflict with his in some very fundamental ways. I had …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 05:31 PM
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I don’t care if you “agree” with “repurposing the analogy” or not. Do you seriously think that Patrice was the first one to come up with it? I am an outlier, as is my UC husband. Atlas grew up in a upper UMC world. Both of us have eyes and brains and can see and understand the way that things work in those worlds, and the things that the men who live there value. You were never in a position to look for a UMC or UC husband, so your advice about how to find one is just about as useful as advice g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 05:21 PM
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There are no UC men here to tell her what to do. (Edit: except u/hyperrreal, who is conspicuously not telling her to be submissive and feminine and to do some UC's guy ironing for him.) Following the advice she is getting from men here will get her pumped and dumped by UC men. In this instance, UC men are the fish. OP is a fisherman, not a fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 05:01 PM
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Ha, yes, that’s what I was saying!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 04:53 PM
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UC people care a lot about the arts. If you are not conversant in art, music (classical music, specifically) and literature, you're not going to get anywhere. You don't have to have a degree in any of them, but you had better be knowledgable in that part of their common culture. Cue STEMlords telling me what garbage the arts are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 04:29 PM
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I shouldn't. My husband is not at all typical of his class, and my family and I are not at all typical of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 04:23 PM
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No, it really isn't. The prole-ipsism in the majority of the replies here is breathtaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 04:19 PM
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Why would a woman seeking to land a UC husband want to listen to a bunch of terps tell her how to get laid? When have women ever listened to men about how to find a husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 04:17 PM
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I cannot believe these class-blind and solipsistic answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 03:57 PM
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Um, hello, working-class woman married to UC guy right here. He was 100% clear that my Ph.D. was a proxy for his UC values, to the extent that when I was discouraged about finishing it, he told me in words of one syllable that if I didn't finish, that would be a dealbreaker. Everything that u/Atlas_B_Shruggin is telling you is 100% on the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 03:37 PM
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The older I get, the more certain I am that my own perspective on my parents' marriage, which was at times extremely volatile, had absolutely nothing in common with their own experience of their marriage. How could it? They had been married for close to a decade by the time I was born; sure, I lived with them for seventeen years, but I was a child then, with a child's perspective and a child's priorities. They had been married for 52 years when my father died. As an adult, I understand that ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 03:07 PM
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One of my favorite parts of being a mother is watching Thing 1 drive Mr. Abrams absolutely out of his goddamned mind with the exact same traits that Mr. Abrams uses to drive me out of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 02:59 PM
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When and how to lazymax is probably the single most important thing that kids can learn in school, and I'm not really kidding about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 02:57 PM
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Are you aware that I am talking about monasteries in 800 AD?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 04:08 AM
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Are you familiar with the fact that monasteries and convents have existed for thousands of years?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 04:01 AM
1

Czech hole in the wall free use gangbang videos. This is oddly specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 03:32 AM
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Didnt study but go 99% > Studied hard for an 85% This one cracks me up. Mr. Abrams grades solely on mastery of the material. He doesn't care if you hand in all your homework on the very last day of the grading period; he doesn't care if your margins are straight; he doesn't give a shit about window dressing. But goddamn, the students who never master the material complain bitterly that he doesn't give them credit for their perfectly straight margins. Edit: a word
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 02:59 AM
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Well, I grew up in Massachusetts, which has hands-down the best public schools in the US and a very strong tradition of public education, dating back to the 1600s. Parents there take their children's education very seriously. I experience panic-making claustrophobia every time I visit my parents (well, now just my mom), but there are times that I have considered moving back there, just for the schools. My education was top notch.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 02:36 AM
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It's both.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 02:34 AM
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Yeah, all that anal and all those blow jobs that men love so much sure has resulted in countless children.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 01:05 AM
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You think that people don't talk about one another in small towns? My dad's family has lived in that part of the state for over 130 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 09:40 PM
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My dad was not a public jackass at all; the fact that you think the only way someone can trash a norm is to be a public jackass shows that you have nowhere near as much visibility into this as you like to think you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 08:56 PM
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Neither does non-procreative sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 08:49 PM
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Yes, most parents don't enjoy it at all (except for the ESFJ mothers, who LOVE it), and yes, a lot of parents complain about it. But they still do it. Socializing is a normal thing that contributes to one's status in the FSM. Throwing parties for one's children. Keeping a nice house where you're not ashamed for your kids to have their friends over. Again, this is all stuff that is mostly invisible to men, who don't really care about it and who don't assess other men based on these things. So, ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 08:44 PM
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Yes, you could see them not becoming outcasts. You could hear their parents talk shit about stupid school bullshit. That's great. What I am saying is that it is extremely likely that your cousins' parents did do other things: gave money to the school, gave money to other causes they found worthwhile, spent time and effort doing things that the community approved of. And you did not see them doing this, because why would you? If you are telling me that your cousins' parents literally never partic…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 08:24 PM
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based on what I recall Yes, the FSM is invisible to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 08:11 PM
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The Valentines Day mailbox bullshit is my least favorite part of being a mother. Every year I hunt up shoeboxes and red construction paper and stickers and tell them to go to town. And yeah, they hand out the cheap-ass Minion valentines. And every Valentines Day, when I drop them off, I see the other kids bringing these hugely elaborate mailboxes in, and that afternoon the kids come home with mountains of candy and cheap plastic tat. WTF, they have enough cheap plastic tat at home and I don't ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 08:11 PM
1

You understand that you are on a subreddit packed with breadwinning wives, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 04:59 PM
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I have always earned more than Mr. Abrams. And I have done a whole lot of shit for him as his wife that I never in a million years would have done for him as a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 04:48 PM
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I mean, this is just charisma. Women have it, too. Everybody who ever spoke to Jackie Kennedy said that she made you feel like you were the only person in the room. My grandmother was almost unbelievably charismatic and charming. It didn’t matter that at home, she was a tyrannical bitch who ruled her family with an iron fist. Everybody else in town who knew her (which was everybody; she owned and operated a sandwich shop/snack bar for decades) thought she was the most charming and delightful wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 04:44 PM
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When you have children, unless you want them to be outcasts, you have to do a certain amount of FSM bullshit, because that is how you signal that you are a responsible and attentive mother whose children other responsible and attentive mothers should want their children to hang out with. So you might still not want to join the Junior League or a book club, but you will probably volunteer at the school book fair and send money in for whatever bullshit fundraiser they are doing and help your kids …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 04:40 PM
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This idea you seem to have that an 1850s married woman would face no social cost or marital cost if she decided to go out without her husband to the tavern one night, get drunk and dirty-dance with other men is fucking hilarious. I literally said that there was a social cost. But no, Western men have never "squirreled away their women." Respectable women squirreled themselves away; the FSM punished disreputable behavior far more effectively than men, who have always liked fast women. Saying "men…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 12:25 PM
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Hey all you assholes downvoting every woman who ended up with a taller man: This is why women should go for tall men. Yes, even short women. Especially the short women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 02:34 AM
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When we were living in our shitty tenement building, there was a woman also living there who must have been 6'3" or so. She was taller than 6'2" Mr. Abrams. Man, I was jealous. She looked like a gorgeous Amazon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 02:05 AM
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Husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 02:02 AM
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No, not even in the West. Respectable married women would absolutely go out and have quilting parties or whatever with their friends. Respectable young women would gather at one another's houses (sometimes even with young men present!) under adult supervision. And disrespectable women, such as whores, went out drinking with one another and with men all the damned time, and paid no penalty for it at all. The West has never had a tradition like the middle eastern harem, or the Russian terem. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 11:30 PM
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I never cared. I'm 5'6" and my hs boyfriend was half an inch shorter than I am. Mr. Abrams is 6'2". I met him at work; there were two other guys in that office who were around that height, and who also lifted weights. I had grown up surrounded by 5'8" skinny Irish Catholic boys and when I saw these three guys I wondered wtf was in the water that the guys in that office were so huge. It took me a while to get used to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 11:26 PM
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Except that this conversation has happened before here, and the men in question made it clear that yes, they meant "reward" in the conventional sense of "reward." I think this is a cognitive divide. Women who actually enjoy having sex with the men they have sex with are never going to perceive that as "rewarding" those men with sex, any more than they perceive those men to be "rewarding" them with sex. Men who take an exceptionally transactive view of this will always view women "giving sex" to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 04:49 PM
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Wow, that is some excellent FTO and initiative on her part! You should be proud.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 12:38 PM
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I fail to see how this gives you much visibility on life in middle age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 12:37 PM
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This is why men kept their women squirreled away throughout history. Not in the West, they haven't. I wish this myth would die.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 12:36 PM
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There are absolutely 35-year-old Stacies. I see one most days when I pick my kids up from school. I'd never in a million years wear what she does, but it is obvious that she puts a ton of effort into her appearance, and there are plenty of guys who find her very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 12:12 PM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 12:11 PM
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I mean sure there is a bit of fooling around in college but the majority of women are settling down with their one-day husbands in their early to mid 20s and then having a long relationship before getting married in their mid-to-late 20s. Id surmise that the husband material men must be in their social groups, or in near proximity, in the majority of cases during this 'young, wild and free' phase. I swear to God that a lot of these guys think that a woman wakes up at age 28, goes out and chlorof…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 12:10 PM
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Then you should be using the OED. It is to British English what M-W is to American English.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 12:07 PM
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I concur with this. I love both in so many ways, for so many reasons, but they are completely separate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 02:21 AM
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Yeah, all those college-educated 40- and 50-something guys on WAATGM seem like they feel terrible that all these late teen/early 20s lower-class women whose OLD profiles they spend so much time discussing have encountered difficulty in finding a good LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 12:40 AM
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I did lots of stuff. I went to art museums, I saw movies, I went to concerts. Saying "young people generally enjoy parties" does not mean "young people ONLY enjoy parties."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 12:39 AM
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If by "media" you mean "clickbait articles that the manosphere amplifies as much as it possibly can," then yeah, I guess so. But the Reddit pillsphere is literally the only place I have ever seen those kinds of pieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 08:36 PM
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Hello, when I was young, I was in a full-time Ph.D. program and also worked full-time and even I went to parties. It's how normal people get together and have a good time and enjoy themselves, even the ones who are "doing shit with their lives."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 08:32 PM
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You should always use this dictionary.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 08:09 PM
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The word you are looking for is “chaste.” It is possible to be an unchaste virgin. It is possible to be a fairly chaste non-virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 06:46 PM
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Ha ha ha, trick question! Only Chad has sex; ergo, every woman who has had sex has picked Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 02:08 PM
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Even the most ambitious of mommy makeovers will never return a 40-something mother to her 18-year-old self, and does not address the internal, non-visible effects of pregnancy and childbirth. There is a lot more to it than being less hot. (And I say that as someone who is in pretty good shape.) It is possible that you have wife goggles, which is very sweet! Yeah, I knew that everybody else here would be quick to address the evolutionary aspect. I just wanted to point out that the costs for pregn…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 03:22 PM
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She’s a lot better now!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 03:18 PM
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Wow, yeah, with the weak soy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 03:49 AM
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Aw, it all worked out in the end! But all those inter-relationships remind me of this chart.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 03:13 AM
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We’re born with all the eggs we will ever have I sometimes marvel at the fact that I have carried the beginnings of any possible grandchildren (from my daughters, at least) inside my actual body.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 02:49 AM
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"I know I'm being mean and unfair and I'm sorry but HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW I'M ARBITRARILY ONLY EATING WHITE FOOD RIGHT NOW FUCK YOU" My sister has lived for years at a time on chicken broth and Minute Rice. A whole lot of her behavior suddenly makes a lot more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 02:47 AM
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although the girl he cheated on me with and proceeded to marry actually DID do that, or so I heard from her brother Wow, this guy has an exciting life!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 02:46 AM
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My high school boyfriend wanted to stay together, long distance, in the pre-internet era, when email was in its infancy, while he went to college in Montreal and I went to college in Philly. I said no. (It was a women's college, no, I was not planning on riding the CC, and indeed I did not.) I take full responsibility! Nobody asked us why we split, probably because it was pretty fucking obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 02:44 AM
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Ah, to be young.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 02:39 AM
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I have a friend that fucking boggles my mind. She says that evo pysch of sperm and egg don't apply to her and that all her conscious decisions override her subconscious desires. I'm trying to convince her that we all are influenced by our subconsciousness, to some extent. Neither of you can possibly be older than 23.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 02:38 AM
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Women have a higher cost of reproduction, but birth control essentially eliminates that cost. If women still have children, how does birth control eliminate that cost? Mr. Abrams and I have three children. His body and his health are exactly the same now as they were before our first children were born. Mine are very very different. Do you think that because women are no longer dying in childbirth (as much) or having 19 children, they no longer pay any physical price for pregnancy? Do you think …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 02:29 AM
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Only on their production sets.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 10:40 PM
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Christ, I don't want to waste my time. I like LTRs, I'm not going to date women that go contrary to that. I think this might be the disconnect. I was never after "an LTR." I was looking for guys who made me want an LTR. There is a subtle but considerable difference there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 10:33 PM
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Eye contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 07:46 PM
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No, the other guys in the thread are saying that if Office Guy finds out that she went to happy hour with some other guy last week and then got lunch with a third guy on Tuesday, he will think she is a low-value prospect and not ask her out at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 07:00 PM
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Based on my limited experience from over 20 years ago, men with actual abundance mentality aren't surprised by it or upset about it when it manifests in women. They might have other neuroses, but this is not among them. High-value people acknowledge that they are much in demand; news at eleven.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 06:58 PM
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You shouldn't pursue her!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 06:56 PM
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postponing a date (the Saturday one in your example) for some time in the future to see how things go with the Office guy (assuming she enjoyed that date) This happens organically if she likes Office Guy enough. If they click on Friday and have a fantastic time, he might say, "What are you doing tomorrow night?" and she says, "Nothing," and they make plans and she cancels on Movie Guy. (THE HORROR)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 06:48 PM
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Can you not see this from a man's perspective? All the men that I got drinks with, went to happy hours with, had dinner with, were doing the exact same thing. I thought it was called "abundance mentality." Edit: can't make a decision on? Are you assuming every date that every woman goes on is intended to reveal her future husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 06:44 PM
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if you are getting exclusive after one date I mean WTF? Based on some of the replies here, apparently some of these men expect her to be exclusive after she accepts the invitation, before she even goes out with the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 06:34 PM
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it seems like the exact opposite of abundance mentality. It absolutely is, with appalling amounts of neurosis and anxiety piled on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 06:19 PM
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But apparently she owes commitment to a man she hasn't even gone out with yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 06:10 PM
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If there is a guy that a woman sort-of knows, say he works on the same floor as her but on another team, and the limited number of encounters she has had with him are sufficient to stoke her interest but insufficient for her to know if they have compatible goals or values, and he asks her out for drinks on Friday, are you saying that she is "flighty" and suffers from "fear of missing out" if she accepts some other guy's invitation to a movie on Saturday? She owes Office Guy her loyalty, even tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 05:49 PM
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No, it was considered "easy" to spend a lot of time with one guy to whom you were not formally committed. I don't know why you're pushing back against this so hard. In the novel Dracula, the character of Lucy has three suitors openly competing for her hand. In Gone With The Wind, Scarlett O'Hara has fielded over a dozen marriage proposals by the time she is sixteen, and she spends time with a wide variety of nearby boys. In any number of 1950s educational films intended to let teenagers know how…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 03:21 PM
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Do you think she was sleeping with all those guys? I mean, this is not up for debate. That was the social norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 02:59 PM
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It was always the norm, at least in the US and in many other parts of the West, until very recently. There have been a few comments about this already in this thread. It used to be considered slutty for a girl to see any one boy too often, unless they were "going steady" or formally engaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 01:29 PM
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"So, since we are a couple, you should change your phone wallpapet to a photo of mine." You should have taken her at her word and changed your phone wallpaper to a photo of hers, i.e. a photo that she had taken. Of her cat, or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 01:19 PM
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They self-reported feeling happier. Women now self-report being the unhappiest in human history. Less happy than during WWII. Treating someone as a disposable option in a week full of dates is disrespecting them. If you don’t want to spend the time it takes to get to know one person better, then you shouldn’t be dating. Oh, so women self-report being unhappier now than they were back when dating multiple guys in one week was the norm? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 12:48 PM
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Griddy, Smurfy, and I have been very clear about this, and dudes have still told us that we are “emotionally cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 11:45 AM
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What the fuck is your problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 04:56 AM
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The funny thing is that I keep thinking about Seinfeld, how Jerry's neuroses were played for comedy and laughs. They were never supposed to be attractive; they were intended to (and did) come off as very unattractive. Nearly two decades later, apparently the neuroses have become sincere and in earnest, rather than comedic. They're still just as unattractive, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 03:24 AM
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I eagerly await the OP: "CMV: A Woman's N Count Increases By One Every Time She Has A Meal With an Unrelated Male."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 02:56 AM
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May I ask how old are you? I can understand where you're coming from if you come from an older generation In the 50s and 60s, women dated around all the time. High school girls would go out with one boy on Friday and another boy on Saturday and have a study date with a third boy on Tuesday before the big exam. It was actually considered fast to spend too much time with any one boy unless you were going steady. This idea that one dinner date, just dinner, no fucking, implies any kind of exclusivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 02:56 AM
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It is not weird to go out with classmates and colleagues when you are a single, unattached person. Whom, exactly, was I "emotionally cheating" on? The guys who were doing the exact same thing that I was, who had zero expectations of me?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 11:06 PM
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Your ex is extremely neurotic, or a liar who knew what you wanted to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 11:05 PM
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Well, OP isn't Western, so. What is alarming are all the Western guys here who think that having dinner with a classmate makes you some kind of trash whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 09:40 PM
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This is like reading Sanskrit to me. When I was in grad school, before I got with Mr. Arthur, I'd get dinner with the guy from my proliferation class, I'd have drinks with a guy I met at the Vaclav Havel speech, I'd linger post-happy-hour with the APL physicist (so STEM! much admire!). I never fucked any of them, and it was entirely fucking normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 09:35 PM
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Not in my house, they don't. The mice are cute, I will grant you that. They beat rats any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:32 PM
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Mice shit all over the basement and spread hantavirus. They can all be holocausted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:25 PM
2

I do, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 04:28 PM
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I mean, yeah, it's nice to find a guy who "has potential," but unless he already has a history of getting his shit together and acting on that potential, I don't understand why a woman would marry him and then try to nag him into being a completely different person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 02:57 PM
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I've encountered plenty women who refrain from trying to mold their man, because they know it's wrong. Letting someone else live their life is the proper way to conduct yourself in a relationship. You can always leave if they're just too not compatible with you, but until that time, trying to form them into your personal, fully customisable yesman slave is controlling and narcissistic. ++ to this. Also, it's enough work for me to keep my own shit together. Trying to boss around another adult is …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 12:29 PM
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That is not remotely feederism, otherwise every woman on the Polish side of my family (including myself) is a feeder fetish weirdo. It's not unusual for women who come from cultures with strong hospitality traditions to want to express their affection through providing food for their loved ones. Hell, it's probably not unusual for women who don't come from those cultures. Nurturing is an intrinsically feminine characteristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 12:20 PM
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His sister died of breast cancer early last year. He delivered a very moving eulogy at her funeral and has since rediscovered the Armenian Orthodox faith of his ancestors.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 12:16 PM
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I mean... That's like saying that having a successful career earns you the benefits of satisfaction and accomplishment and income, and then someone saying that those are not as valuable as not getting fired. Further, you're taking it for granted that any given marriage will end in divorce. A lot of people around here like to point out all the parts of marriage that are not tied to a legal marriage license, but I will also observe that "the breaking of our family" is also not tied to a marriage l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 12:15 PM
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I haven't looked very far into it because honestly, I'm not that interested. He went balls to the wall on casual sex and now he is going balls to the wall on religion; whatever his next thing is, I assume he will go balls to the wall on that, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 02:56 AM
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Yeah, once she's a little more recovered from her spay, she's going back down there. Although we do have to send Thing 1 down with a flashlight to Viet Cong his way through the rafters to find her when it's time for her to come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 02:54 AM
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Roosh has just recently done this. Boy howdy. Although I think his sister's death was the clear precipitator of his philosophical shift.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 02:30 AM
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I'm not killing spiders if there is a man around to do it. I'll take the hit for my staff and stare down an angry four-star and be happy to do it, but vermin? GTFO. IRL, alas, all the vermin seems to appear when Mr. Abrams is out of the house. It's fun, trapping mice in the basement and releasing them to a life of adventure in the back yard. :-|
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 02:28 AM
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Good for you? That has nothing to do with anything I said. And you won't be divorcing, because you're not married.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 02:10 AM
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Because it was a different time and the things he was doing, while violent, did not raise the same level of care and concern that they do today. I don't know how to explain it more clearly to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 07:48 PM
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All of it absolutely was criminal. If he did half that stuff today, he'd have gone to jail and, eventually, prison, because American society is much less tolerant of that kind of thing today than it was in the mid-1950s to mid-1960s. My teenage dad got beaten up half a dozen times by that head of security, who did not like the idea of a working-class Polish kid coming to campus to seduce the young ladies who studied there. My dad rinsed the blood out of his T-shirt in one of the lakes on campus …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 07:42 PM
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like an actual scam that people think they have to pay for to get what in return? I have no idea what Muslim country you live in, but in the US, there are legal benefits that attend upon marriage that are difficult to replicate in any other way. For the $100 that our marriage license cost, we automatically receive privileges and benefits that would cost many thousands of dollars to replicate with an attorney, and which even then would not be guaranteed the way they are with marriage. I don't rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 07:39 PM
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No, he was a young man who got into violent fistfights with the head of security at the fancy women's college up the street, who got into violent fistfights with his college classmates, who got into knife fights in the slums of East St. Louis, who was exposed to and learned to deal with a whole other level of violence and brutality while forward-deployed in the jungle for a year during the Vietnam War.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 06:52 PM
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He lived an exceptionally violent life as a young man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 06:45 PM
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Obviously it does not go without saying. How is a relationship fundamentally like that of an indulgent father and his playful daughter if the playful daughter is covering down on this shit 160/168 hours/week? I am fully willing to grant you that in private, during their free time, women and men are often playful with one another, but it seems odd and myopic to say that because they are that way with one another on, say, Friday and Saturday evenings, that the whole tenor of their relationship is …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 05:20 PM
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The ideal relationship between a man and a woman has a lot of similarities with the relationship between a man and his child. There are a lot of things my children do not do, because they are children. They don't snake out the basement drain when it's clogged, or file the taxes, or deal with health insurance snafus, or take the cars to get their oil changed, or tune up the mower every year, or have full-time jobs and earn money, or keep track of the retirement accounts. I do all these things, ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 05:07 PM
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Your OP was not well organized. Nowhere do you clearly state your main point; you imply towards the beginning that you are discussing psychological polarity but then degrade that point with a list of physical characteristics. Then you start talking about men relating to women as children, which may be your interpretation of polarity, but which is a sufficiently idiosyncratic interpretation that it should be further explained as one possible manifestation of polarity. If one of my students submit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 03:52 PM
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I regret to inform you that we got the best boy-girl twins in human history. But you could still shoot for second-best, which is very respectable!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 02:27 PM
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Okay, then explain to me how those responsibilities and that kind of work has ever allowed for "playful and carefree and childlike" for much of human history, up to and including the present day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 02:26 PM
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I think this is one of those questions where personal experiences bias you too much. Yeah, I really agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 02:25 PM
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Our oldest two are boy-girl twins and our youngest is a girl. But this reminds me of the "what makes you feel masculine/feminine" question. I don't really think of them as Boy and Girl and Girl; I perceive them and experience them as themselves. Thing 1 (boy) is reserved and intellectual like his dad; Thing 2 (girl) is a hedgehog-obsessed MPDG; Thing 3 (girl) is a remorseless warlord in training. These are the kids we've got and these are the personalities they have. But neither their dad nor I …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 02:24 PM
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I'm talking about women who have an idea of what the wedding should look like and insist on making people contort themselves to fit the picture in their head. It is not uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 02:15 PM
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You're not wrong. There is no status in the FSM to any of that stuff anymore. Unfortunately, a lot of it still has to get done.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 02:14 PM
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They all think that "feminine" means "hot Insta chick who cheers on my video games and coos during anal." The wife/mother/manager/matriarch aspects have been completely erased.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 01:27 PM
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Name me a culture where the majority of wives, not girlfriends, not mistresses, not courtesans, not the elite, have ever been expected to be playful and carefree and childlike and not been expected to bear their share of work and sacrifice for the household and the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:51 PM
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You can see it all the time on the relationship advice subs. Any question that is any variant of "my fiancee from a very conservative family doesn't want my flaming gay best friend to be my best man; wat do?" indicates a woman who has spent a lot of time dreaming about Her Day and is trying to make her Generic Groom Person get with the program.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:38 PM
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In the eyes of the law it is not. In the eyes of the law, a contract has certain requirements, none of which are met by marriage. A marriage is more like incorporating a business. It can involve contracts, but it itself is not one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:36 PM
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Okay, well, most people here will be responding from a US perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:35 PM
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This OP is a maundering mess with no clear thesis. Are you talking about childlike physical characteristics? Are you talking about the woman behaving in a childlike fashion? There has never been a point in human history up until now, apart from possibly subsets of varying elites at varying times, when men have been able to indulge the luxury of wanting playful, childlike wives, whom they relate to as indulgent fathers. That was never a wife's role; wives had to work too hard for that foolishness…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:33 PM
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No college degree wouldn't be a problem. "Barely finishing high school" would be. Are you familiar with public education these days? Districts make it pretty difficult to not finish high school. Failure to do so, or to "barely finish" indicates a serious deficiency of pro-social behavior. My dad was kicked out of like five different colleges and would have probably spent most of his life in jail if he had been born in 1983 instead of 1943, and even he managed to easily graduate high school, back…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:27 PM
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You are very kind, but it isn't as though I had some kind of master plan. I didn't know what I wanted to do after college, so I applied to Ph.D. programs; a notable military historian called me up and told me he was willing to be my advisor, so I said sure. I wanted more money than the program provided, so I got a job. I met my now-husband at that job; he was at the tail end of an LTR and while I fell in love with him the first time we met, I had no reason to think that we would ever end up toge…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:22 PM
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A 22-year-old isn't a child. I had a college degree, a full-time job, and was a year into my Ph.D. program by the time I was 22. I was also already in love with the man I have now been married to for nearly 20 years. I wasn't some kind of stupid goldfish like Reddit seems to think early 20s people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 02:33 AM
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That is quite a leap. I would say that a limited amount of mutual objectification is present with casual sex; you are describing an amount of objectification that exceeds that. You are going to have to get up pretty early to find a regular non-free-use-fetish woman who will respond positively to "Do you like to be choked, or do you have other fetishes?" as the very first thing you say to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 01:15 AM
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He might find that that requires considerably more effort than making small talk for five or ten minutes, about which he is impatient and despondent. I'm not sure I like the odds of his pursuing a much more arduous course of action.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:59 AM
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Having to spend a limited amount of time treating a woman like she is a human being and not an ambulatory series of sex holes in order for her to be interested in fucking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:50 AM
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This is exactly the same kind of thing I run into with my kids all the damned time. "I want X, but I don't want to have to do Y." Well, unfortunately for you, X without Y is probably not an option. It might be an option for Chad or Prince Harry or Tom Hardy, but it isn't for you: learn it, live it, love it. If you are unwilling to do Y, then you must not actually want X very badly. Oh, well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:46 AM
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Faints dead away
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 06:38 PM
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If someone could credibly explain to me how the Army would feed, clothe, and train a sudden glut of conscripts, I would be thrilled! All I've gotten, though, is handwaving "During a crisis, we'd have to figure it out." Oh, we'll FIGURE IT OUT!!!! Sounds great; I'll take that right to TRADOC.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 03:00 PM
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Generally, all of US, and Europe from about 1918 - 1945. Specifically, US Army force structure from WWII to the end of Vietnam.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 02:08 PM
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Well, I'm a military historian, so having a nuanced view of conflict and other military-related things is kind of my job!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:52 PM
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I have had a subscription to the Post for nearly a quarter of a century! I read that article when it was first published. "Psychologists have conducted dozens of studies and meta-analyses on the psychological differences between women and men, and the majority of the evidence suggests that sex has either no or a small effect." Yes, this is true as far as it goes, and I agree with this statement, but I have never been very happy with its limitations. Historically, war is one of the main ways that…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:32 PM
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Considering "Nutting inside a woman" as a privilege is just intellectually dishonest. Are you actually kidding me? Completely unprotected sex is not a privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:27 PM
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She has 9 months to decide if she wants to raise the kid or not. This is not what the safe haven laws ever intended to address. They intended to address the woman who has her baby and only then realizes that she is unable or unwilling to care for it. You can say that she should have realized this at some point over the previous nine months, and you wouldn't even be wrong, but given the number of men who are shocked, shocked that unprotected sex will sometimes result in a baby, you cannot exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:23 PM
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There is a pretty big loophole. I urge you to read this article. Of course, this makes any man who is determined to have babies with some woman without the benefit of marriage completely insane. If he is not married to her, she has no legal obligation to inform him of the pregnancy or to consult him regarding adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:20 PM
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Queens regnant were the minority. As the first article outlines, Queens who ruled jointly with their husbands often had greater resources and ability to wage war than did any monarch who did not rule jointly with a spouse. Unmarried Queens regnant, on the other hand, were often seen as low-hanging fruit by would-be conquerors, and needed to project power and authority. In the pre-Westphalian era, at least, there weren't many better ways to do that than to have a strong military and willingness t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:17 PM
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Wanting privileges without the responsibilities when it comes to reproduction is exclusively a women thing though, which is what the topic is about. This is factually incorrect. Everybody wants privileges without responsibilities when it comes to reproduction. Men here argue in good faith that it is unjust for them to not be able to nut inside the woman of their choice without having to worry about being tracked down for child support at a later date. What you may be saying is that at this point…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:07 PM
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Read the title of the post and remember what the topic isa bout. You keep saying this to anybody who replies to your comments. Discussions here often range afield, but my reply is hardly ranging afield. All 50 states have a form of safe-haven law. This is correct, but in the vast majority, a mother is extremely limited in when and to whom she can surrender a child. It's not like a woman can get tired of her 8-month-old and leave it at the nearest fire station. That used to be the case in more pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:05 PM
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If a woman loses custody to the father, she absolutely has to pay child support. If she surrenders the child for adoption, then neither she nor the father have to pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:02 PM
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You may find this article interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:02 PM
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I will drop this here as a reminder of the reasons why the draft will never happen again in the United States, absent the extremely limited conditions that I detail in this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 12:41 PM
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Not all women are pro-abortion but the majority of the ones who are don't seem to mind mandatory child support. Nobody remembers the 1990s. Men were the ones who lobbied hard for the child support system for never-married mothers that we have now. The majority of adult men past a certain age (in 1996, at least) were married fathers; do you think that these men wanted their tax dollars to support some never-married single mother, while the father of her kids skipped out? As u/Atlas_B_Shruggin has…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 12:37 PM
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Right. I am 100% sure that Mr. Abrams loves me deeply deeply deeply. I have had over 20 years to observe him, both around me and around other people, and there is no doubt about that in my mind. It grants immense peace. That said, I have also seen him cut people out of his life without a second thought. He is immensely loyal, and he will give people so many second chances that they sometimes think they have infinite second chances. But after a certain point, a switch is flipped, and that person …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 12:29 PM
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Yeah, God forbid that subject matter experts should find their subject matter engaging and interesting and talk about it at places other than work. some 20-something Man Hating Studies major Since you were the one who started personalizing this discussion, I'm not sure why you're now talking about someone who is transparently not me or anybody I have ever worked with in all my long DoD career. And I'm not sure why you are talking as though subject matter experts don't also pay taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 08:39 PM
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Provision for the common defense is one of the government's duties enumerated in the Constitution, so good luck getting that changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 11:51 PM
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"Used." You added on this "for her body" business just this very minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 08:15 PM
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we are talking about cases where women feel used for their bodies. No, you are, and very suddenly, too, at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 08:02 PM
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She literally said that her worst "pump and dump," so to speak, didn't involve sex at all. So apparently a handshake would make her similarly used.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 07:56 PM
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He teaches middle school, so he leaves the house to get there before the students do (7-ish) and then leaves on time, which is around 3 PM, I think. He's been doing this long enough that he works smarter instead of harder. He hasn't brought any grading home at all for many many years, and he's not one of those women teachers who need to constantly add more and more useless work to their days in order to feel like they're doing a good job. His results speak for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 06:04 PM
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I have been married to a teacher for 18 years now. We have been together for 21 years. It has never been a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 06:01 PM
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You are not attracted to девушка who fights for glory of Родина?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 02:09 PM
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Autism may be fake news, but guys who read rhetorical exaggerations and take them as gospel are not. askTRP is proof enough of that. There is nuance and tension in the fact that TRP tells men to get girls to feel as though he is treating her like a special snowflake in a specific type of way (i.e. not by supplicating), while also sending the message that if she behaves badly, she's out the door. That nuance and tension is difficult for a lot of these guys to internalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:54 PM
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Yeah, I think that's a pretty normal male preference. A lot of them would love to be parents like George Banks in Mary Poppins: pat the children on the head before eating dinner with the wife, then letting the nanny take them away for bedtime.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:45 PM
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men absolutely aren't turned off by women with masculine interests who remain feminine. Yeah, this is the missing piece that some people don't get, although God knows that the requirement of being attractive is emphasized to death here. The preference goes roughly in this order: Hot woman who is knowledgable about tank maneuvers at Kursk, and who agrees with all the things he says about the topic. Hot woman who is knowledgable about tank maneuvers at Kursk, and disagrees with him and is 100% abl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 12:37 PM
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Yeah, I think that people here think I'm talking about being a GS-7 at HUD or something. That's not my line of work, and that's not my level of expertise.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 12:18 PM
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Yeah, I can totally see how it's an environment that would constantly grate on someone who isn't interested in that particular brand of overachieving geekdom. But damn, it is one of the only places in the world where you can sperg out over the CEP of different ballistic missiles and the virtues of different types of rocket fuel and whether the Chinese ballistic missile threat is as robust as advertised (yes) while sitting at a fancy hotel bar, drinking fancy cocktails, without everybody around y…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 12:17 PM
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Do I know you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 03:48 AM
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I mean, obviously you are not just spergily declaring to them that they are replaceable. Hello this is Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 03:25 AM
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If you think that TRP teaches dudes to game women by letting women know that they're interchangeable,* I'm not sure what to say to you. It teaches them to game women by making the woman feel as though she is not like all the other girls, even while the dude gaming her believes that she actually is like all the other girls. "Abundance mentality" does not mean that you whack a woman over the head with "make my breakfast, girl, or I'll have five more just like you lined up for me tomorrow." It mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 03:11 AM
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Ha ha ha ha ha yeah I'm not qualifying myself to you, Dr. Emergency. I thought people in my field were overachieving by saving people's lives Oh, you mean like Anthony Fauci? I've met him a few times. I was able to meet him a few times because he lives and works in DC. He has saved a few lives, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 03:07 AM
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Holy shit, I will absolutely do that tomorrow. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 02:32 AM
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JFC, it's like nobody reads the actual words I wrote. I was talking about MARRIED RED PILL GUYS, NONE of whom have availed themselves of "at will groping" for years and who often decide to start their red pill journey by trying to touch their wives in an overly aggressive, dare I say it, vulgar fashion that would get them arrested if they tried it on the subway. They read "sexualize your routine interactions with your wife" and they think, "Got it, I'll grab her pussy hard, out of nowhere, while…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 02:32 AM
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When did you realize you could have fun and be high achievers? When I moved to DC after college and was surrounded by geeked-out overachievers having the time of their lives. I felt like I had landed in paradise. Every minute I spent there was bliss, and I can't wait to get back.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 02:08 AM
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But I mean really if you’re married to her you should know what turns her on. I think this is half of their problem. They treat her like Generic Woman, instead of This Specific Woman That I Married Who Has Preferences. Women notice that, and no woman likes being treated like Generic Woman. Hell, half of TRP is helping guys learn how to convince a woman that she is being treated like a special snowflake and not like "all the other girls."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 02:06 AM
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I love sex, but I don't want to be aggressively grabbed at the moment I've gotten out of bed, and this preference is not exactly uncommon among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 02:04 AM
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It is stunning. He and his dad, of course, go to town with these discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:53 AM
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seduction starts long before you wake up from snoring on the couch at 9:30 pm and decide you want some. This is actually something that MRP, at its best, tries to emphasize. They tell guys to sexualize their daily interactions with their wives, expressly for the purpose of 24/7 seduction. Unfortunately, a lot of guys there think that "sexual" means "vulgar," so instead of keeping his hand on her hip while they're brushing their teeth in the morning, they start aggressively feeling her tits, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:52 AM
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Thing 1, whose favorite construct for questions is "How (adjective) would it be if bla bla y bla?" or "How (adjective) is (person or thing or situation)?" How powerful would a tornado that collided with another tornado be? How impressed would you be if I threw this rock over the roof? How destructive would it be if the Flash used Speed Force to stop an atomic bomb? (It would not be destructive at all; the premise of your question is that he stops it.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:26 AM
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I'm not even really talking about that. I think a lot of guys are neutral to negative about children until they're well into their teens. Then the dudes can enjoy being a paterfamilias with very few of the downsides of noisy messy young child chaos, or incessant questions about "How excited would you be if you held GOLD in your HANDS?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 11:19 PM
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do any of you understand thats what it was like No.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 07:47 PM
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The vast majority of men do not want children, but the vast majority of men want to have had children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 07:21 PM
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My family of origin doesn't have any trusts or anything, but nobody in my father's family has had an OOW child. I'm not about to be the one to break that chain.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 06:13 PM
1

When I had my second D&C after my third miscarriage, I didn't even bleed afterwards. When I had my follow-up, I characterized it to the OB as the Cadillac of D&Cs!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 06:13 PM
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Wow I had no idea of that fact please lay some more knowledge on me
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 06:10 PM
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I don't do bastards. I would abort in all three scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 06:08 PM
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Tax 'em all. Fine by me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 02:12 PM
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All of this to say I believe that moms raise their sons "beta" by being overly lenient and spoiling them like girls. It's not some kind of conspiracy to support their imperative. They want to be the modern "cool mom" archetype whose kids can do whatever the hell they want but hey, at least she has their approval. Yup. "I'm not your friend," I sometimes tell my kids. It's not my job to pander to them and hope that they like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 12:42 PM
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Woo-hoo! I want to see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 02:40 AM
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I for real think that a lot of people believe that women get late-term abortions because they are too busy partying and buying shoes to pencil in an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 02:11 AM
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OMG I love that. No disrespect to your granddad, the OG Melvin!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 02:08 AM
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No, Johnny is a cool tatted-up bad boy who sells drugs. You have to have some gumption and motivation in order to sell drugs, so Johnny proves that she is a hypergamous bitch. In order to prove that she is not a hypergamous bitch, she has to want Melvin, who hasn't looked up from his computer screen in three years, hasn't spoken to anybody other than his parents in eight, and is about to die from vitamin D deficiency because he has not seen sunlight since 2009.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 01:48 AM
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No more than me paying state tax on the vodka that I used to make the delicious madras which I am drinking at this very moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 01:45 AM
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No, these days the real gimmedats are white men on SSDI.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 01:39 AM
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Well, based on his OP, there seems to be a pretty good chance that she will be single soon, so perhaps you will get your shot!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 11:14 PM
2

Yeah, I was kind of drop-jawed at that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 11:09 PM
1

Wow, if only there were some way for a woman who doesn't want to bear a bastard child to not bear a bastard child.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 11:08 PM
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a mainstream public service campaign about minimizing screen/video game time Or you could tax the absolute living fuck out of video games. Everything about them. Tax them like yachts. That would also slap a band-aid on OP's tax revenue problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 08:54 PM
1

Nobody is obligated to commit to anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 08:21 PM
1

should should should should should. We don't live in ShouldLand.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 08:18 PM
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The fantasy that “men unconditionally love women post-honesty” is utter bullshit. Your fantasy that married mothers who aren’t dancing carefree on clouds everyday are pathetic is equally full of shit. ++
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 08:15 PM
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Maybe that's you. Obviously it will be a problem if your true self is an idiot. Wow, this is pretty condescending, and needlessly personalizes something that I was discussing in general terms. I've got three kids and had 2/3 of them at once. I'm still in pretty good shape; I run difficult trails two or three times a week and I don't care for junk food. I love my husband and we have a bangin' sex life; I love my kids and I love my lucrative and influential career. My life is pretty swell. But I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 08:15 PM
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Oh, bullshit. There's an OP over on one of the merp subs right now: this guy's wife fucks him whenever he wants, is enthusiastic and willing to go until he physically can't anymore. But there is something he can't put his finger on that leaves him unsatisfied. He sat her down and told her he wanted her to raise her game; she did; he's still not happy. He can't manage to articulate what it is he wants (or at least, he says he can't), but he is pretty sure this isn't it. Edit: a link
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 08:03 PM
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I don't make the news; I just report it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 08:00 PM
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You assume that all women are interested in bearing bastard children?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 07:58 PM
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Women don't have children? They don't menstruate? They don't have blotchy skin in middle age, no matter how much money they spend on skin care? It's "post-honesty" in the sense that OP is using the phrase. It's a woman who isn't making an effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 07:58 PM
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been on PPD for closing in on four years and you're not the first person to try to impart the wisdom that MaRrIaGe dOEsn'T REaLlY MeAN AnyThInG iF yOu ArE TrUlY ConNeCTeD! Here on Planet Middle Age, where we have things like health and life insurance and children and healthcare powers of attorney and wills and trusts and joint ownership of homes and property and legal benefits if one of us dies intestate, we know that "connection" and about $5 will buy my son one of those …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 07:56 PM
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"Dear r/relationships, my (37F) husband (40M) insists on eating scallops every single night for dinner and has an eau de scallop air freshener that he sprays liberally all over the house. Mmmmmm, scallops! he says. I LOVE THEM SO MUCH! He has always done this, ever since I met him in kindergarten. The problem is that I am violently allergic to shellfish and my throat closes up when I am in the same hemisphere as a scallop. Also, farm livin' is the life for him, whereas I adore a penthouse view. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 07:53 PM
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Wouldn't it be a better bet to go with a woman that took relationships more seriously ,even the not so important ones? I mean, if you want to be married to a woman who thinks that she has some moral obligation to "work on" her relationship with a guy where they did not discover fundamental incompatibilities until a year or so in, then go nuts. Enjoy your midlife divorce!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 07:50 PM
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Oh, I would? I wouldn't split immediately and be grateful that I dodged that bullet?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 05:07 PM
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"Men," apparently, who still love women "post-honesty."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 05:02 PM
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Even if we did not have kids, I would have expectations of my husband that do not include him criss-crossing the country 90% of the time while I am all by myself, so we would have to talk that out. Is this so difficult to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 05:01 PM
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Mr. Abrams and I are monogamous as can be and a month and a half after we started dating, he spent two weeks in my shitty apartment recovering from a terrible case of pneumonia, coughing, sweating, puking all over the place. I took him to the emergency room and helped him convalesce. Bringing him my bathroom wastebasket so he could throw up in it didn't seem to kill my attraction. He did not see me in a remotely comparable physical state until he had to drive me to the hospital while I was activ…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 04:44 PM
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Yes, the obligation piece is what I'm referring to. If my husband decides that he wants to quit his job to become a carny, roaming across the country while I raise the kids alone, then I have an obligation to him to try to figure out how he can scratch his carny itch while not leaving me to twist in the wind. If my LTR decides to be a carny? Boy, bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 04:37 PM
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It boggles the mind. On Reddit, if you're dating, you had better pull out all the stops to WORK ON THE RELATIONSHIP. How dare you simply want to bail! You need to WORK ON THINGS. If you're married, though, and your husband leaves his coffee cup in the sink instead of putting it in the dishwasher? Here is an article that will show you how thoughtless he is, to ease your realization that HE DOESN'T RESPECT YOU and YOU NEED TO DIVORCE HIM IMMEDIATELY.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 04:35 PM
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My husband is my family. Some guy I'm dating is just some guy. There is a huge difference, including that "bullshit legal paperwork" that you dismiss so glibly. I put in a lot of effort while we were dating, but that was explicitly because the relationship itself was no effort at all. We never had to "work on" things like where to live or aligning our careers or whether we should have kids or not or whether we wanted marriage or not. If your gears are grinding on major issues while you're still …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 04:33 PM
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Only women have the luxury of being loved post-honesty. Yes, men love seeing their wives push babies out of their vag, love the post-childbirth stretched stomach skin that stubbornly remains no matter how much weight she loses, don't at all mind the bloody pads in the bathroom trash, are fine with her schlepping around in worn jeans and a sweatshirt with no makeup to conceal the fact that her skin is actually kind of blotchy and uneven and her eyes look like slits in a grapefruit unless she is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 04:24 PM
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I have seen "normal" smart girls choose bad dates, but it's nowhere as damaging as what I think you're talking about. No, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I did it myself as an idiot teenager. If you are talking about girls who become single mothers while still in high school, then you are describing something very different from what just about everybody here is going to assume you're describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 01:38 PM
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Okay, you have one example of someone whose female relatives were not good examples. I can give you just as many examples of fathers who didn't communicate anything at all about men or relationships. (Including mine, whose sole message to me was that boys would lie to me to get what they wanted.) In general, girls get life and relationship advice from their female relatives. This can be good or bad advice, depending on the female relatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 01:06 PM
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For example, if she has a history of being the one to initiate breakups in all LTRs, this indicates that the woman prefers to exit LTRs without putting enough effort in making them work. I hate this attitude. Why should anybody "put in effort" to make a relationship work with a person they are not married to? This is an attitude I never encountered before Reddit, where people hold dating relationships aloft and think that people should "put in work" and "put in effort" and treat the relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 01:04 PM
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Forbidding one's teenage daughter to see the unsuitable boy that she is madly in love with is exactly how you ensure that she becomes 100% obsessed with him, rather than letting the whole thing burn itself out. This is extremely standard advice for parents of teenagers. Adult women generally don't spend much time talking to their parents about who they're dating, unless it's serious. Teenagers are known to rebel for the sake of rebelling. It is a critical step in their emotional and psychologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 12:58 PM
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You think that daughters don't get life and relationship advice from their mothers and female relatives?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 12:55 PM
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For example, Good Girl wants to date Johnny, but dad says "No. Johnny's a highschool dropout that barely pays child support, while you're busting your butt off in college. Find a guy who can support himself and a family". Since when do Western college girls ask their fathers for dating advice? What a father can do is help cultivate an environment where his daughter will spend as little time as possible around guys like Johnny in the first place, which is what parents in the West have been doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 12:25 PM
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70% relaxed, 50% engaging, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 02:00 AM
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None. I was already in love with my now-husband, but he wrapping up a messy LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 01:19 AM
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I was a studious nerd in high school (although a studious nerd with a boyfriend) and then went to a Seven Sisters college notorious for the way that its students work all the time and never have any fun. Once I graduated, I moved to DC, where I immediately glowed up and got the kind of male attention I had never received before. After being freaked out about it for a bit, I got my head on straight and had fun being a single girl in the big city. I started dating my now-husband maybe a year and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 09:27 PM
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MRP lost a lot of non-replaceable IQ points when he left.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/19 04:29 PM
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If his college girlfriend from State is a dim-bulb general ed major and he is going to Yale Law, no, he is not going to stick with her and marry her. If his college girlfriend from State is the kind of overachieving striver that someone with a Yale Law degree would marry, then she is by definition not a general ed major teaching kindergarten in Fort Lee.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/19 04:00 AM
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Well, don't start blatting about the UC if you don't mean the UC. Or your jealous of people who actually had to earn their money. Ha ha ha ha. I'm working class and have hustled hard for every penny I have ever made.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/19 03:13 AM
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Ha, you were actually in my mind as someone for whom that might not apply
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/19 03:12 AM
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I don’t care what economists say about class. In the US, class has a lot more to do with your family of origin’s background, wealth, values, and culture than it does with income. My husband has never outearned me for our entire marriage, but he has a lot more in common with the Gettys than any SV billionaire, because he is the product of an intergenerational legacy of wealth and boarding schools and privilege, and they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 08:49 PM
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Um, the definition of UC is intergenerational wealth and influence. Tech billionaires are not yet UC. Their grandchildren might be, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 06:16 PM
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You think that the Gettys are not UC, but some woman who grew up in an expensive house in SF is? The Gettys have a hundred years of wealth and philanthropy behind them. They are the California version of the Fulbrights. They are absolutely UC. There are families that have Getty wealth without the pedigree. They are rich, but not UC.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 05:40 PM
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You may find this comment interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 05:26 PM
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i think low conflict people have trouble understanding how LITTLE conflict "means" to high conflict people. This is very very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 05:24 PM
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To clarify, "upper class" here means upper class for Silicon Valley. Your description is still UMC. The UC in California includes the Gettys; they play in a very different league than the women you are talking about and nobody here will ever spend any significant time with those kinds of people, so you don't really have any idea whether you would like them or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 05:01 PM
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Everything old is new again, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 04:47 PM
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They were her grandchildren. If the women in those pictures honestly look similar to you, I have no idea what to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 05:52 PM
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Being "feminine" doesn't mean that you dress up like some IG influencer. It means that you are yielding, nurturing, reticent, demure. Like it or not, these are not qualities that are rewarded much outside the home*, and certainly not in the business world. You're not going to be very good at having a successful career if you start to cry every time your manager isn't happy with you. *And sometimes not even in the home; my most traditionally feminine relative was a nurturing supportive angel whos…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 01:32 PM
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Well, yes, at the war's end, women desperately wanted to be housewives and men desperately wanted to be employed patriarchs. It worked for a while and then it turned out that nobody was very happy with that state of affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 01:25 PM
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This is exactly why I feel so much more comfortable around four-star generals than I do around some douche from Mr. Abrams' boarding school, and why it was so easy for me to build a career working for the military. Guys in that environment really respect and admire drive, resourcefulness, and all the traits and characteristics that you are often forced to develop if you want to escape the economic privation of your childhood. The UC guys aren't interested in escaping anything, and why should the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 01:24 PM
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And yes, a hotshot NY lawyer will marry an elementary teacher or librarian. Guys here keep saying this, and it is true as far as it goes, but there is a lot of nuance here. A girl I know from high school is an "elementary school teacher" who is married to a NYC BigLaw guy, yeah. But her family is very wealthy; she graduated from Columbia and has a masters' degree; her wedding was written up in the New York Times; the elementary school where she teaches is a very exclusive single-sex private scho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 01:17 PM
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Most women during the war didn't have jobs. During my dissertation research, I found a series of Young & Rubicam surveys on women nationwide and their contributions to the war effort. Most women did not work war industry jobs or join the military, and most women had no intention of doing so. Indeed, the vast majority of women who had no job at all said that "what they were doing now" was more important to the war effort than any contribution they could make in industry or the military, which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 01:12 PM
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Any woman who grows up that way and has the gumption to put herself through college is by definition someone who doesn't care what other people think. There are just as many men and women in the underclass who allow themselves to get dragged down by their families and peers, and who are just as invested as your UMC bitches in what they're "supposed" to do. As for your UMC bitches, why wouldn't they be invested in what they're "supposed" to do? The things that they're "supposed" to do are the thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 01:05 PM
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Because women then were not expected to stay lithe and sexy after having children. They were matrons, not maids, and to "look good" for a matron meant that you dressed tastefully and looked well-put-together, not that you were slim and fit and youthful. Skin care wasn't what it is now. Especially if you spent much time in the sun, you aged pretty rapidly. Here is a picture of my great-grandmother, with my baby uncle and aunt. She was in her 40s when this picture was taken. Compare that to what w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 01:02 PM
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I took a seminar on the history of the family when I was in college, and each of us had to interview a family member about a bunch of things that I don't even really remember now. I do remember one of my classmates talking about how she had been raised working class, and how her recently deceased father had been a mechanic, and how she often felt very out of place at this storied old liberal arts college on the Philadelphia Main Line, and how she felt a lot more natural and comfortable around th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 12:57 PM
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Forks on the left, knives and spoons on the right. When you're eating, you start with the utensil on the outside and work your way in. This article has more annoying ads than just about any I have ever seen, but covers everything you could ever want to know about formal dining. If you approach it as an interesting series of customs rather than panic-making etiquette, it is actually very interesting, and a lot of the servingware and utensils associated with formal dining are pretty ingeniously us…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 12:29 PM
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Yeah, you and I are just old enough that we have seen the passing of that kind of person. It's good in a lot of ways that college and education are so much more accessible to so many people (although God knows that has its downside, too), but it really bothers me that things like arts and the humanities and literature and scholarship in general are now so widely seen as the time-wasting province of the elite.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 12:20 PM
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If she had been born in 1997 instead of 1947, she would be either a college graduate with a burgeoning career, or a single mother with a GED and an EBT card (like her sister's granddaughters are). The society and culture that created lower-class women like my mother, 70 years ago, has disappeared. Indeed, even though she was born a lower-class woman in 1947, she was still the first person in her family to attend any college. She dropped out to elope with my dad. Nobody does that anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 12:17 PM
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I think that there aren't many working-class people anymore who read Steinbeck and Mailer and Emily Dickenson and who educate themselves for 20 years on the history and mechanics of 19th century New England shipbuilding for no reason other than fascination (for example). As I said elsewhere, assortative mating has had its say, and has made a shocking difference in a very short amount of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 04:44 AM
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I just don't think your parents owning a home and you being able to read, write, spell, and speak makes you upper middle class. It doesn't. I am working class and I grew up in a wealthy Massachusetts town, attending one of the best public schools on the East Coast, learning about art and music. My mother took me to NYC a few times a year so we could go to the Met and the Frick. But my whole attitude towards life is far more informed by my father's working-class family. I hang my laundry on cloth…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 04:09 AM
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Being UMC also does not presuppose good behavior. For the badly-behaved UMC, however, it does presuppose a certain type of poor behavior, which others in the UMC will be more likely to accept. I grew up in an ethnic working class family and am married to an upper class WASP. Some of the stuff that he saw at my family's Christmas dinners dropped his jaw. And I have yet to recover from some of the things I have learned about his family. There is plenty of bad behavior to go around, but it is all c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 04:02 AM
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The guys who talk this game assume that women like my mother (born in 1947) are still available. Grew up very poor and never graduated from college, but still beautiful, modest, hardworking, churchgoing, intelligent, with married parents and a close family. But my parents married in 1965, and assortative mating has played hell with the working class and lower since then. You're not going to find women like my mother there anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:59 AM
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By virtue of income, yes. By virtue of culture and mores, probably not. You are describing one of those Millionaire Next Door types.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:53 AM
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Fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:36 AM
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If you pay income taxes, I have some bad news for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 02:23 AM
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wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:55 PM
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I am just surprised that most people don't understand fundamentally what the implications of marriage is before they get married. I will agree with you here. Mr. Abrams and I both knew exactly what we were getting into, but it astonishes me, the number of people on Reddit who are all "bUT noBoDY toLD Me IT MeanT eQUAl DiViSiON Of marItAl ASsETs!"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 12:04 PM
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Oh my goodness, I was wondering about this today. I am so happy to hear this!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 03:39 AM
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"Marital assets" mean "assets shared equally absent legal arrangements specifying otherwise;" news at eleven. I don't understand how this is a matter of such outrage to so many men. As Atlas keeps saying, BOTH parties own ALL the assets when they're married. They BOTH lose half in the event of divorce. One of the merp lawyers did a very detailed writeup on this at one point. His TL;DR was that if one spouse lets the other lie around and watch Netflix and play video games all day long, then, even…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 02:07 AM
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It helps that Mr. Abrams' family is the epitome of UC reticence. I've learned a lot over the 18 years we have been married, and hence have been able to absorb it at a reasonable pace. If he had dumped everything in my lap when we started dating, I would have panicked and married the first E4 to cross my path. It is to his and his family's credit that I have never once felt the kind of discomfort around any of them that I felt at that alumni event.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 12:07 AM
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You have a very weird idea of my MIL. She'll do it if she has the time. If she doesn't, she won't care if he fucks off to the club. He is the one grumping about it, not her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 08:20 PM
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I went to one of Mr. Abrams' boarding school alumni events with him once. Never again. (Although I did have a nice time standing in the corner, chatting with the woman who had been a scholarship student from the inner city.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 07:18 PM
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She argued repeatedly the man was the reason for, and the beneficiary of the throw pillows, which I found to be absurd. This is the type of thing I thought you were referencing in your other post; a woman will expand the scope of her wifely duties well above and beyond the man's preferences. Okay, I understand what you both were saying here. Most men don't care about decorating details: throw pillows, candlesticks, decorative stuff on the fireplace mantel, stuff like that. A lot of women (includ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:53 PM
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none of it was necessary to begin with. I dispute this. Most men have expectations of their wives when they get married. Their expectations may not be as high as the ones their wives impose on themselves, but they do exist, nevertheless. Here is an example from my own life. My in laws just returned from their house in FL and are in town for about a week before heading out to open up their summer house. My MIL cancelled the cable here at their primary residence, because they were gone all winter …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 03:13 PM
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The FSM is invisible to men, just as the MSM is invisible to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 02:30 PM
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there is apparently zero to actually be gained from being at the top of it The FSM has always existed, and if you have children, it is not "pointless." I pretty much noped out of it before I had kids; I hate all that bullshit, am not good at it, and have other things I prefer to do with my time. I still do, but my children benefit from me putting in the bare minimum to comply with those norms: participating in school festivals; bringing snacks for baseball practice; signaling the fact that I am …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 02:28 PM
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Baby boomers were children during the 1950s, which is when the US had its lowest average age of marriage ever. The average of marriage was around 23 for men and 20 for women. This was the Silent Generation, which followed the birth of the Greatest Generation and preceded the birth of the Boomers. (Their children were Generation X.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 01:41 PM
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That's your spin. I have never known a man who gives a flying fuck if the birthday cupcakes are homemade or store-bought.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 01:32 PM
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The Post had an article about this over the weekend. I don't know if it will be visible to anybody without a subscription, but here is the link to the study that the authors conducted, surveying the way that over 20,000 mothers used their time. We have analyzed data from more than 20,000 mothers who responded to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ American Time Use Survey (ATUS) between 2003 and 2012 — and our research showed that when there’s a man in the house, mothers spend more time cooking, cle…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 12:25 PM
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"Full attention" ha ha ha ha ha You had that link MONTHS ago and hand-waved it with "I want to give it the attention it deserves." Apparently it only deserves 35 minutes of your attention. And if that's all you want to give it, then fine! But those of us who thought that you might actually have something to say about it will know better, going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 03:55 AM
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Wow, for someone who put off reading this for the better part of three months because he wanted to devote his full time and attention to it, you sure managed to do a thorough reading in a record number of minutes. Edit: There is something that should be obvious to anyone that really read the original content. Bold talk from someone who can't seem to manage to drill down to the CDC data on that N-count marriage study.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 03:42 AM
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Enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 03:02 AM
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It means that she likes electricity, as do most people living in the first world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 02:36 AM
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Exceptions exist but so do trends. Until very recently, the "trend" was for women to have babies up until menopause. I have no idea where this idea came from that historically, only young women had children. For the vast majority of human history, and still today in parts of the world where women don't have access to much modern healthcare, women continued to bear children up well into their 40s. My mother was born in 1947; her mother was 45 at the time. My father's grandmother had 17 children a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 06:27 PM
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Ha ha ha ha ha
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/19 12:28 PM
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I want to say the author was Japanese.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 11:17 PM
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Is your handle taken from that weird novel where the author described how women's pee meanders through the body to find its way out, unlike straightforward manly pee, which seeks a straight route to the exit?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:41 PM
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No, and we're also not usually having vigorous sessions that last all afternoon and into the evening, each and every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:18 PM
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I am so sorry to see this. I hope you get good news and that the time between now and then isn't too nerve-wracking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 04:23 AM
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This is already the most detail I have ever gone into about my sex life with anybody except Mr. Abrams and my OB, and I'm not really eager to further elucidate. Suffice it to say that it is routinely good enough that we are both happy to continue this trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 04:17 AM
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At least once a day. And as long as neither one of us is out of town, that is exactly what we do, allowing for things like illness or whatever. This has been the case for years and years now. Yes, he is still hot. Edit: I am 44 and he is 48.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 11:29 PM
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I think she's referring to this comment thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 07:12 PM
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Did you go to my Seven Sisters college in the early 90s? Don't forget "marries a fellow (male) doctor during her dermatology residency."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 07:09 PM
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landwhale selling her body to score heroin I live in the Opiate Addiction Belt and all the junkies obstructing my way at Walmart are skinny af.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 07:05 PM
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I've watched my sister nearly die of ovarian cancer. Less than a year ago, I watched my father die of stomach cancer. A few years ago, family friends of my husband's went down in Lake Erie. The whole family died. I used to work with a woman whose son was diagnosed with cancer at eight months old. It's only money. There is a lot of stuff that is a LOT more important, and I'm not going to waste valuable time nickel and diming the people that I love, keeping track like some sort of Scrooge. Edit: a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 06:59 PM
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Some of us enjoy working.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 04:07 PM
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Except for a brief three-month time while we were dating, while I was unemployed and he had a lucrative full-time job, I have always paid. We will have been together for twenty-one years on Saturday and married for eighteen of those years on Sunday and I have always paid. And who the fuck cares, anyway? It's only money. You can always make more. This nickel-and-diming is so goddamned unattractive and boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 12:18 PM
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You are literally the first man (I assume you're a man; this is the intertubes; you could be a lemur) I have ever heard say anything even remotely like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 03:06 AM
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This is true, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 03:05 AM
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There's a certain solidarity men don't have. Are you fucking kidding me? The dudes here go on and on about how men know the true meaning of friendship, and all women are just catty bitches who only compete with one another and try to cut one another down. I would be very interested in learning if any of the women here have ever heard any man sonorously declaim on the topic of female friendship and solidarity, because I sure as hell have not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 03:01 AM
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I can never understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 02:52 AM
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I value individual men for certain things. George C. Marshall did more for humanity on a slow Tuesday than everyone posting on this subreddit has ever done in their entire lives combined, and if anybody told him that this meant he was only valued for his "utility," he would wonder what else he should be valued for. His ineffable self? I value my father, my husband, my son, the other men in my family, because they are in my family. I have male colleagues and friends that I value for their company…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 02:50 AM
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Yes, it is true. Women only value men for what they do, not what they are. Unlike men, who value women for what they "are," as long as what they "are" is "cute" and "pleasant" and "willing to do anal."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 02:43 AM
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The USA is not closing down women's prisons. A number of speculative news or women's media articles does not equal actual policy reform, except in Reddit people's eyes, where, if it appears on Medium, it is to be regarded as the gospel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 12:32 PM
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By "good but not wild" do you mean that it is awesome sex but he's not bringing a llama into the bedroom or something? Because if you mean "mediocre," then I'm with Atlas; I'm not going to be with him in the first place. If you mean "awesome but not weird," then I'd still be grossed out by the bragging. Please note: if he kept his fucking mouth shut and then I discovered later that he was a virgin, I wouldn't care. Indeed, I am married to a man who gave me next to no information about his romant…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:21 AM
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Lord knows there is no shortage of dudes here who love to tell the women that it is NOT ridiculous to want a virgin who is good in bed, because "you can both learn together."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:15 AM
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But men do that all the time. They don't buy houses with white picket fences for their girlfriends, but they make big romantic gestures buy thoughtful gifts and do all kinds of crazy shit they don't do for their wives. (Or, if they do it for their wives, they have no intention of keeping it up for very long after the wedding.) I even wrote an OP about this at one point. Mr. Abrams did stuff for his ex-girlfriend that he didn't do for me. Part of the reason that he didn't do it for me was that he…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:53 PM
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a woman being misteaken over whether an incident arose to the level of crime and filing charges is just not a crime and cant possibly be in a common law legal system Sorry to bug you, but would you mind explaining WHY this is the case? Do you think that women and rape have some special status? It is ALL people and ALL crimes. If Mr. Abrams files charges against one of his students because he thinks that student stole his phone and it turns out to not be the case, Mr. Abrams is not going to be ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 04:27 PM
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I don't know what percentage are man children, but of course women marry these men en masse! They are foolish to do so, but I wish I had $1 for every time I've read something on the relationships subreddit along the lines of "All my husband does is come home from work and play video games; I have begged him to do literally anything else, including have sex with me, for a year now, and he refuses. When we were dating all he did was play video games. How do I fix this without making him mad?"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:17 PM
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You're condescending to the wrong person, buddy. I grew up the daughter of one traumatized combat veteran and the great-niece of many more. I'm a military historian and have studied this for decades. If I can still learn from literature, and I can, and so did my father, often, then so can you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:14 PM
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I regularly see reading fiction being framed as self improvement by rp types. Why? What's accomplished? What was learned or discovered? What did you do besides tick the clock down? I guess you engaged your mind more than if you watched late night TV You know, I know someone who read The Iliad, and blogged it, rather hilariously, and part of what he learned was how universal the themes of The Iliad were, and how affecting it was to read about the human cost of war. Homer writes the combat more or…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 03:29 AM
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Mr. Abrams is hardly the only man I've known who is like this. His father is exactly the same way. My father, who could not have been more different from Mr. Abrams and his family in terms of class and disposition, was also the same way. (Although he did take the lead on the yard work and keeping the house supplied with fuel for the wood stove that heated it, augmented by yours truly's slave labor.) I have never met a man who has entered middle age perfectly happy to continue living in his 500sf…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 01:57 AM
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Yeah, I do know what a bachelor pad is. Mr. Abrams had one when he was 30. (Edit: No, not 30; when he was 26.) By the time he was 45, though, he was chafing like hell at the little 1000sf house that I was deliriously happy with. We moved halfway across the country to an area where we could afford to buy a giant old "grown-up" house that had been designed, built, and landscaped with the assumption that the residents would always have a live-in housekeeper and a live-in gardener. Guess who was res…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 01:16 AM
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Well, these are the guys saying that wives should "give" their husbands sex. I'd never stop throwing up if Mr. Abrams referred to sex as something that I "give" him, and I'd probably never fuck him again, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 01:10 AM
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Did you read the comment I linked to u/concacanca? It is exactly what I'm peddling. You underestimate the number of merps who don't bring any value to anybody's life, even their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 01:10 AM
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This whole “YOU CAN DO ANYTHING/NOTHING IF HOT ENOUGH” is a male mindset not a female one. Yeah, I asked about that once at this very subreddit. "So, do you guys seriously believe that there is no limit to what women will do for a guy who is hot enough? Like, if a guy proposes a threesome with a sheep and she says no, it's just because he's not hot enough and not because she doesn't want to fuck a sheep?" One guy said no, it is a rhetorical exaggeration and that most guys who say this are talkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 11:06 PM
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You might devoutly wish that MRP would communicate the message that men should become super-attractive and start taking dumps on the kitchen floor as literal shit tests for their wives, who will be so attracted to them that they will not care about cleaning up the feces of an adult man, but the fact is that they do not communicate that message. They tell men to cover down on their responsibilities, as defined by them and not their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 11:01 PM
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Every time this topic comes up I'm confounded at the guys saying that all men want is a single room with a mattress on the floor and to have as low-impact a job as they possibly can.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 10:11 PM
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I don't think it sounds as Great Santini out loud as it does in their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 10:01 PM
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I think that a fair number of them got fat and passive with respect to just about everything, not just gaming their wives. Here is a comment deconstructing this phenomenon. But then there are a variant of the unplugging men here who are "man-children," essentially, our proverbial Drunk Captains. These guys are Alpha +0, Beta +0. And these are the men with wives who nag and henpeck them to death because those men can barely muster enough competence to dress themselves every morning and get to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 10:00 PM
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When I want your opinion I'll give it to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 08:15 PM
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The fact that MRP has to tell men that, when they are lazy fucks sitting around the house while their wife covers down on all responsibilities of their shared lives, it makes them extremely unattractive, indicates that it is a thing these men did not know.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 08:07 PM
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I’m 44, but that has nothing to do with it. Gone With The Wind is an old movie. Mad Max is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 07:45 PM
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Ah, yes, Starship Troopers, that monument of the Western literary canon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 05:17 PM
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This is a Reddit thing. Manosphere RP was always for regular dudes who could get girls but not keep them (long enough). Reddit turned into a thing for gross smelly guys who can't make eye contact with their own families, let alone a girl, and who have to be told to take a fucking shower and stop wearing their My Chemical Romance T-shirt from middle school.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 12:25 PM
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That is literally what I have said in every follow-up comment. Yes, keeping a man will (sometimes) require more than beauty and sexiness. But attracting a man has nothing to do with interests and pastimes and hobbies. JFC, all these so-called RP men telling me that they want to fuck their girl's hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 12:22 PM
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Today it was actually 83 and sunny! And the one good thing about living at this longitude is that the sun doesn't set until super-late; nearly 8:30 these days. Closer to 10 PM during the summer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 02:08 AM
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Great Lakes region. 300 cloudy days a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 01:44 AM
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old movies like mad max 2. -_-
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 07:51 PM
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I look for masculine men, but not of the same type as my extremely masculine father. He was a feral alpha. I married a dude who is extremely masculine, but who trends far more aloof and detached than my father ever could have dreamed of being.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 07:07 PM
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Thank YOU for engaging in such good faith!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 06:15 PM
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No, Atlas was talking about attracting men. RMV does not attract men. It might keep them around after they're already attracted, but no, reading military history does not make any woman "attractive."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 05:21 PM
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If I am a young woman spending all my time doing interesting shit, that might make my life better and more interesting TO ME, but it will not cause one single man to give me a second glance. Even Mr. Abrams, who married me because of my character and personality and interests, freely admits that it was my eyes and smile and rack that turned his head in the first damned place. Without those three things, he wouldn’t have given a shit about any of my interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 04:39 PM
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I LOVED The Great Mortality. Great stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 03:45 PM
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Thank you for your valuable valuable input, internet stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 03:41 PM
1

Have you read David Herlihy's book on the Black Plague? Top-notch scholarship from a top-notch scholar, and extremely readable. Also, fascinating, and presents a truly new spin on the social effects of the plague, beyond what we all learned in Western Civ.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 03:30 PM
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I garden, do yard work, read (military history, Russian history, Tudor and Yorkist England, culinary history), run ungroomed trails with ~500 ft elevation changes, do all the DIY around the house, argue on Reddit, cook, take the kids for walks or running through the woods or to the playground, walk the dogs... Once we get back to DC I'll be able to add "go to art museums and the Smithsonian, go to the ballet, take the kids to the National Mall and all the museums, go to the zoo, attend lectures,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 03:23 PM
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I learned to spin when I was around 9. It is one of the most absorbing things I have ever learned how to do in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 03:19 PM
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Even your own parents don't love you unconditionally. If you were to murder or rape someone, i bet your mommy would think differently of you. IF you were a loser with no job or life ambition then they wouldn't respect you unless you provided some other sort of value. Yeah, you don't understand parental love at all. It's conditional not based on what the child does, but who the child is. There are loads of things that my kids could do that could disappoint me or hurt me terribly. Indeed, the reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 12:22 PM
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an absent mother affects children much less than an absent father I do not think I have ever said this before on this sub, so congratulations for prompting such a comment: Citation, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 02:54 AM
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Your definition of “friend” appears to be “emotional tampon.” And my friends have shared plenty of struggles with me. Your assumption that because we don’t discuss our sex lives, we must not share struggles, indicates some serious male solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 08:47 PM
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Wow, I didn't know that all challenges were sexual challenges. Anybody who wants to indiscriminately dump all their "challenges" all over me had better either be paying me or fathering my children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 06:15 PM
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If you are childless, then obviously you are exempted. You must admit, though, it is very odd phrasing to say that I'm in a ltr and want kids. when you already have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 12:12 PM
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I am often angry, yes! Anger is galvanizing and I welcome its scourging fire. But I'm not actually angry about this. I am just suck to fucking death of childless men bleating about how important it is for CIVILIZATION that people RAISE CHILDREN IN GOOD STRONG FAMILIES. They sound like single mothers bleating about how IMPORTANT it is that men STEP UP AND BE STRONG MEN FOR THESE FATHERLESS CHILDREN.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 03:24 AM
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Resolved: That every childless man shuts the fuck up about how important it is for "people" or "women" to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 03:18 AM
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Exactly, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 01:12 AM
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You are making the very basic mistake of thinking that those who study a certain type of history are proponents of that thing. But don't feel too bad; you are not the only one who thinks that way. This is why I, a military historian and therefore a willing tool of the sexist death merchants, have not come within shouting distance of academia since the day of my hooding ceremony. The only STEMlord I know personally who is worth a damn was one of my best friends in undergrad. Nearly all the ones I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 08:15 PM
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Nope, I'm a historian who doesn't think that every subject outside my area of expertise is total bullshit, unlike all the STEMlords here who sneer at the humanities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 08:01 PM
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Did you read a word I said? Losers hang out with losers. If I see you hanging out with a loser, I'm going to assume that you, too, are a loser. And so are all your friends. Edit: Other people, who aren't hanging out with you and your merry band of losers, are less likely to be losers, because they're not hanging out with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 05:30 PM
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I don't make the news; I just report it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 03:37 PM
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Yes, and I would add that if a woman degrades her status by dating an ugly man with little or no status, then she is degrading the status of her friends, by association. "Ann is dating an ugly loser. She has been friends with Mary, Steph, and Mandy since college. Mary, Steph, and Mandy are the kinds of women who are friends with a woman who dates an ugly loser, i.e. a woman who is a loser herself. Mary, Steph, and Mandy are probably losers, too, because only losers would want to be friend with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 02:35 PM
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Mr. Abrams is too busy fighting with my sister on Scrabble to be interested in anything on PPD other than learning how to identify a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 04:37 AM
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Ma faute! Je suis vraiment désolée. :-(
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 04:31 AM
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JFC, you people. Are you all totally incapable of understanding that by "my daughters" I do not in fact mean "all daughters everywhere" but, instead, MY daughters? The reason I have zero doubts about my ability to strong-arm them is that A. I am their parent and not their fucking "friend" and B. based on what I know of them at this point in both their lives, they would very likely beat me to the clinic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 04:27 AM
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If you've got something to say, spit it out. Edit: Do you think my husband is poor white trash or something? His family disinherits illegitimate children, and the parents who are foolish enough to bring them into the world. Edit again: We married in 2001 and our first children were born in 2009, if that is what you were thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 04:19 AM
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Ha ha ha ha ha. Actually, no. An older friend of mine with a son clued me in to this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 03:42 AM
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Well, if you are determined to put the least charitable spin on anything I say, then I certainly am not interested in stopping you! Have at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 03:33 AM
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I have no idea what you are trying to say. Do you think I have a much older son who knocked a girl up and had his life ruined as a result?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 03:32 AM
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How am I going to strong-arm my son into using condoms? Do you think he is going to have sex in my presence? I can (edit: and do, and will continue to) advise and threaten, but no, I actually do not think I will ever be in a position to glare at him until he is like "Oh, hold on" and puts on a condom before fucking his girlfriend. I would rather my minor daughters regret having an abortion than regret not having one. What kind of a question is this? You think a 16-year-old is ready to have a bab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 10:25 PM
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Do you actually know any parents? Every mother with a son that I know, including myself, is 100% aware of this fact, and has either told or plans to tell her son (depending on age) that if he knocks up some girl, he has just set fire to the rest of his life. I've got daughters, and have zero doubts about my ability to strong-arm them into an abortion if they get knocked up in high school or college. If my son gets some girl pregnant, there's not a fucking word that he or I or his father can say …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 06:26 PM
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It's insane to expect that couples will remain compatible in all things as time goes by. When you're with someone for multiple decades, you both change. When I met Mr. Abrams, I didn't really care about food. I grew up in a working-class family where it was basically fuel, and the only concern was whether you got enough. He grew up in a UC family that cared a great deal about food. I taught myself about food and cooking, because it was important to him, and pretty soon it became very very import…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 04:29 PM
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That wouldn't be symmetrical with the offense as detailed in the OP, which stipulates that he is banging randos.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:46 AM
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His rationale for cheating was that he wasn't getting enough sex in the relationship but did not want to pressure you. I'd wonder what the fuck drugs he started taking, because we are already very much on the high-frequency end as far as sex goes. On the very, very, very high-frequency end. I'd be furious. I have outlined my affair plan in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:25 AM
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finding out he killed the women he cheated on you with right after 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:21 AM
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Women turned their husbands out of the bedroom all the time. Childbirth used to kill women all the time; it was not at all uncommon, after the children had been born, for women to manage this risk by having as little sex as they could get away with. Their husbands fucked whores. World kept on spinnin'.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 12:32 AM
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Yes. Some people will reply to this comment with a variation on "So what?" The so what is the fact that since arranged marriage is inimical to Anglosphere values, Anglosphere cultures and societies have therefore evolved with none of the social and cultural frameworks to support arranged marriages that the arranged marriage societies have. u/jacktenofhearts once wrote a very good (and long, as was his wont) comment on the problems that arise when families from arranged marriage cultures arrive i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 06:09 PM
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Our very best couple friends don't have or want kids. Because we are mercenary shits, we appreciate how this enables them to buy $$$$$$$ wine, which they bring over to our house when we cook them dinner, because we DO have kids, and are no longer able to spend $$$$$$$ on wine. Otherwise, we are too busy to give a flying fuck about what strangers do with their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 03:30 AM
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Well, the reason that I want to drill down on this (and I might create an OP about it) is that what men say about what a wife needs to do - remain fairly attractive, provide adequate sex, and "be pleasant" - is very much at odds with what men expect once they are married. As u/Atlas_B_Shruggin has observed, husbands require a great deal of tending. And I believe it was u/texastentialism who observed in a conversation elsewhere that that phrase - "be pleasant" - is very very freighted. It's not m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 01:49 AM
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From what I recall, the only marriages for the last thousand years or so in the West where people did not select a spouse from their peer group were arranged royal marriages. John the carter's son in 1279 Canterbury ended up marrying Catherine the brewer's daughter, who grew up three houses down, same as he would today. And it makes sense that he would do it in his mid- to late twenties, as people did not marry until the man was established, and that took some time. The brewer wasn't going to le…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 01:44 AM
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It says that social cues and social expectations (as in, how people act during social encounters at work, on the subway, as guests in other people's homes; not "social expectations" as in "everybody should get married and have kids") are extremely powerful, and provide needed structure. It also speaks to EXACTLY why women are wary around men who, in a first encounter, prove that they are unwilling to be constrained by those behavioral expectations. It is an incredibly aggressive move.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 01:41 AM
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Tag in, girl. It's your time to shine!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 11:20 PM
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In what universe is mid-19th century Birmingham Colonial America?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 11:08 PM
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I already told you what it was in the South: 20 - 24 among the planter class, which married younger than other classes or other parts of the country. I don't off the top of my head know what it was elsewhere, although it was 24 - 26 in 19th century New England. And right now I don't have time to go foraging in my books.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 10:44 PM
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Catherine Clinton, The Plantation Mistress: Women's World in the Old South, Pantheon Books, 1984, Appendix A. Now, please provide your sources, beyond "a historical will."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 10:35 PM
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Average age at first marriage dipped by quite a bit in the US following WWII. Off the top of my head, I want to say that age at first marriage during the 1950s was 19 or 20 for women, and 22 or 23 for men. It has never been that low before in the US, and has not been that low since. I know that it's a commonplace for dudes here to think that back in the Golden Past, women were married off as luscious teenage virgins, but that was only the case for a very limited time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 10:31 PM
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I think it's pretty well established that people married early in Colonial America relative to Modern America. Certainly before mid-20s on average. I've read historical wills where fathers expected their daughters to marry by 21, and divided their belongings accordingly. In spite of what you may have read, no, it really was not common for people in early America, or even 19th century America, to marry before their mid-20s. Even for young women of the Southern planter class from the 18th century …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 10:29 PM
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Are you seriously arguing that the Founding Fathers of the United States of America, and the majority of the US, were not and are not white northern and western Europeans? What ethnicity do you think the Founding Fathers came from? I have no expertise on the 16th century marriage (who the fuck does?) Historians?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 10:11 PM
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Please specify to me what you mean by "be pleasant." I have seen a large number of men here talk about that, and none of them have been terribly specific. What, exactly, does it entail to "be pleasant?"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 10:10 PM
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This reminds me of a manager I used to have who kept asking me if I'd eat three giant live cockroaches for $500K or whatever. He'd get so mad when I'd say no. I was like, dude, I'm perfectly happy with my life right now; I don't need your $500K badly enough to eat fucking cockroaches. Even now, I don't think I'd do something like that for money. If I had to eat roaches to get chemo for my dying children, okay, fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 09:06 PM
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Yeah, that's great; you're only 36 and you give no indication that you're trying to knock her up right now. Sperm quality degrades pretty rapidly after 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 06:08 PM
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She is doing what women have done for hundreds of years. This may be literally the oldest girl game in human history. Until the sexual revolution, it was BB/AF: women married respectable men, had respectable children, and THEN had passionate affairs with the highwayman or whoever, just as their husbands were holding auditions for mistresses or banging whores. What she is doing is probably more redpilled than anything most men here have ever done. Hat tip to u/Atlas_B_Shruggin.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 05:24 PM
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Sperm quality matters. You are wise to hedge your bets by being with a woman so much younger than you, but honestly, if she wants children, she'd be better served to find a man much closer to her age, who still has years of healthy sperm manufacture before him. A lot of older women who have trouble conceiving with their older husbands manage to get knocked up just fine by younger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 05:17 PM
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I mean, I felt kind of weird going to the giant country club where his great-great-grandfather was a founding member, the first few times. That was very very different from the way I grew up! But I was never paralyzed by fear or anything. His dad's second wife of the past 30 years is also a working-class Pole, so there was precedent for me. There's no external pressure to not make him look bad, because I'm not the kind of person who would do that anyway. If I had been, he never would have marrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 01:40 AM
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I myself am working class, but was raised to be discreet. This is not The Impossible Dream. Mr. Abrams is UC and his family's social circle would honor kill themselves before talking about this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 12:55 AM
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There are literally one billion other things to talk about that are far more interesting. And again, I'm not putting my business out on the street like that. I would never in a million years betray Mr. Abrams' trust like that, and I have no idea why men tolerate their wives divulging salacious sex life details that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 08:43 PM
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I'm 44 and I would shoot myself right in the head if my friends talked to me about their sex lives like that, and I would never in a million years put my own business out on the street like that. Jesus Christ, people, have some fucking discretion. Surely if your friends were in an unhappy marriage you would know. "Surely?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 04:05 PM
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Imagine staying up until 3 AM to argue about Operation Barbarossa at top volume.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 02:14 AM
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UC white people name their kids things like James, Honor, and Catherine. They'd no sooner name their daughter Stacy than they'd set her on fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 01:04 AM
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Ha ha ha ha ha yeah that's me, wanting to be inclusive. You've narrowed the aperture so much that a lot of men are going to say, "I don't have mommy issues; oneitis must not be a problem for me!" But whatever; I actually don't care all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:23 PM
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It is entirely possible to have a functional definition of oneitis that does not include mommy issues. All it means is a guy succumbing to the idea that his girl is The Irreplaceable One. No mommy issues required. Edit: TRP, and the RP manosphere in general, encourages men to overcome oneitis, because the men seeking help in those spheres are exactly the kinds of men who will allow their oneitis to run away with them and start tolerating poor behavior because of it. That fact, however, does not …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:16 PM
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TRP can tell men to only fuck Cirque de Soleil acrobats with watermelon fetishes for all I care. As atlas has routinely proven, the manosphere isn't always great at getting the definitions correct. No, she says that TRP - as in, Reddit - routinely confuses and degrades definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:08 PM
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You are the one linking oneitis to mommy issues. That might be how you experienced it, but it is not part of the standard manosphere definition of "oneitis."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:55 PM
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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? My dad had relentless oneitis for my mother until the day he died. I never once heard him refer to her as "my wife;" she was always "my bride." He referred to her, unironically, as the love of his life, to anybody who would listen. That doesn't mean that he tolerated poor behavior from her. "Oneitis" can end up in a man tolerating poor behavior, sure, but it doesn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:48 PM
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They put up with cheating and all sorts of fuckery from their Oneitis chick. I am not at all certain that "oneitis" is meant to indicate "abject slave to a woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:44 PM
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Well, it runs both ways. I am "entitled" to sex with Mr. Abrams, but he is also "entitled" to a wife whose personality, person, and character are roughly as attractive, allowing for age and life circumstances, as they were when he married her. If I weigh 600 pounds and eat Doritos all day, or if I transform from a fun and witty companion into a shrill harridan, it would be a covert contract for me to decide that I am "entitled" to sex from my husband, simply because I am married to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:07 PM
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Some expectations are based on feelings of entitlement; some expectations are based on covert contracts disguised as entitlement. (Note: I am using the word "entitlement" in the colloquial sense, not in the legislative sense. I am not referring to Social Security.) There are few people who would argue that, if I am admitted to Yale University and completely all the degree requirements on the timeline that the University mandates, I am not entitled to a Yale degree. This is not a covert contract.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 12:40 PM
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There was other stuff that she did that fucked up my dad and aunt a lot more, but it all stemmed from the same place that wouldn't let her hug them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 06:20 PM
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My grandmother never hugged, kissed, or told her children that she loved them after they started school at age 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 05:36 PM
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This is exactly the attitude that led to Clinton's welfare reform and the mandate that single fathers pay child support to the unwed mothers of their children before those unwed mothers can qualify for state aid. Respectable husbands didn't want to pay for generations of unmarried fathers to skip out on their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 03:41 AM
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all of us Speak for yourself, John.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 05:33 AM
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If, by "the masses," you mean "Boomers," then yeah, sure, have at it. Are you a Boomer?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 04:59 AM
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Why are you watching cable news? I have worked for the government all my life and have not watched cable news for the past decade. Maybe more. I have a select few sources that I get my news from (the NYT is not one of them) and I think critically to determine my own POV. Read stupid shit; get upset for stupid reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 04:33 AM
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When a woman is not attracted to you at all, theres very little you can do to change that. When a woman is head over heels for you, you get a ton of leeway and in some instances can pretty much do whatever you want. If shes lukewarm, game can be just the edge you need. Close TRP down. This is all you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 05:23 AM
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Seriously. JFC I have enough targets in my life that I don't need to go looking for trouble. Some rando isn't married? Whatevs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 05:19 AM
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For our entire marriage (edit: 19 years in May), I have earned more. It has settled at about twice as much, but some years, he has earned little enough that I questioned (silently) whether it was worth the childcare and taxes to have him out of the house. (The answer to that was yes, of course it was.) It's no big deal at all. It's all just household money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 10:22 PM
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Are you actually disputing that people are accustomed to a far higher standard of living in 2019 than they were in 1950?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 10:09 PM
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Not at all. I've done a lot of the above and could do it again if I have to. Part of the reason I'm motivated to be a high earner is so that I won't have to. Standards of living have risen nearly unbelievably, even in my lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 09:19 PM
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The Rust Belt: come for the cheap housing; stay for the Superfund bragging rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 09:18 PM
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If you break an arm, it's very useful! But nobody 70 years ago was doing all the catastrophic care that we take for granted now. If you got cancer, you died. If you were in a bad car accident, you probably died. Nobody was bringing anybody basically back from the dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 09:15 PM
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Jobs used to pay enough for a whole household, now they pay closer to half a households worth of salary. I get so sick of hearing this. If you are willing to live like working- to middle-class people did in 1955, then you, too, can subsist on one salary! This means that you will be wearing clothes that are mended when they tear; you won't be washing your clothes every day; you will use very basic hygiene products (Ivory soap; generic shampoo and conditioner and shaving cream; single-bladed razor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 06:17 PM
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I was watching this 1980s teen drama Some Kind Of Wonderful, it's corny but it's also endearing. the main character is a beta pursuing a fancy girl and being oblivious to her tomboy friend's interest in him. This is what TRP resolutely refuses to understand. The tomgirl character's boy best friend was the best for her, as she defined best, not as "society" or "girls" defined it. She doesn't give a fuck what the rest of the girls think is "best;" she just wants the best for her. Tomboys are just …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 04:28 AM
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Was also awkward and nerdy. Young men are not attracted to awkward nerdy girls, by which I mean actually awkward and actually nerdy, not "adorkable."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 07:42 PM
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You experience your kids as adults far longer than you experience them as children. Yup. It's super-easy to forget this. We're already halfway through all the time we will ever ever get of having the twins all to ourselves, which is shocking, because they were only born about 5 minutes ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 06:44 PM
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If a woman wrote this, I will eat my hat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 05:11 PM
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There is a difference between having children and having had children. Lots of women like having babies and small children around the house; I think that most men could take or leave that. But every father of grown children I know is happy to have had children. Mr. Abrams' father was the most remote, hands-off, WASP parent you can possibly imagine; he sent his kids to boarding school and sailing camp so he wouldn't have to deal with the day-to-day bullshit. But even he is delighted to have adult…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 04:28 PM
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Ha, I just saw this comment! I copied my previous comment two seconds ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 04:00 PM
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I refer you to a comment I made a few years ago: I would be too busy being gobsmacked that anybody yelled that (edit: "Women and children first") in the first place. I have no idea why there is this conception that gallant men stayed behind to drown while women and children were herded into lifeboats. There were a lot of shipwrecks in the 19th century, and in nearly every single one, women and children were the ones most likely to die. Men booked it off that ship and left women and children behi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 03:57 PM
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MIGHT IT BE POSSIBLE that the couples who are inclined to regard marriage as an unbreakable lifelong commitment are also the ones who are likely to take seriously the vow about "forsaking all others?" I'm not sure it's the actual swinging that makes divorce more likely, if indeed it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 01:17 AM
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Aw, I thought you were referencing this. :-(
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 01:12 AM
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So? I will never understand why men pay even the slightest bit of attention to women whining on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:17 PM
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The entirety of the SMP is double standards. High-N men are out there searching for low-N women. Fat single mothers want hot dudes who will be devoted to them. You can cry about it, or you can deal with it. Either way, you have to live with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:08 PM
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I'm not very agreeable and I enjoy arguing a LOT. I am restless and find it nearly impossible to just sit and relax, or to give a movie my full attention unless I am in a theater. I don't do well with emotional issues and am not really capable of providing a "soft place to land" in the nurturing, "there, there" sense of the phrase. Don't vent to me unless you want bullet points about what you should do to fix your problems. And I will be wondering the entire time why you are venting to me instea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:05 PM
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And my conclusion was that there is nothing on earth that has ever come from a woman's legs that can defeat me. This is how you find yourself slaughtered by MacDuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 03:21 PM
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One of the weekly threads a while back asked about MBTI and revealed the most terrifying concentration of INTPs that I have ever seen in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 12:06 AM
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INTP Mr. Abrams hates small talk, as does his INTP dad and our INTP son. But he doesn’t moralize it or anything. He doesn’t think it’s shallow or stupid (or, rather, he understands why it is surface-level and acknowledges its utility). He just doesn’t care for it, like I don’t care for seafood. But he doesn’t pat himself on the back for being more evolved than people who enjoy it or are good at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:15 PM
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My BFF has a better resume than all the assholes on TRP combined. You may very well have seen her as a guest on a news network, discussing her area of expertise. There have been times, particularly during the Arab Spring, when she has basically been absent for weeks on end, and her dad has flown in to cover down on the kids while her husband beavered away at a variety of objectively high-powered (but still less high-powered than hers) positions. But that's not all the time. There have been month…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:51 AM
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Over easy or GTFO you fucking Communist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 03:42 AM
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It is palpable both ways. In what universe does a "career woman," whatever that means, by definition value her husband less than a SAHM?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 02:53 AM
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Some men just want to watch the bookshelves burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 01:09 AM
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She's behaving in a manner that is conducive to winning the only race that will matter in 1000 years: the genetic one. No, not at all. Part of Pick Me-ing is making it clear that you're not interested in babies or marriage or any of that boring "traditional" stuff; you want to stay fun and cool and spontaneous and up for anything that a man suggests at all times. Men don't see this and think, "Wow, this girl is great! I want her to be the mother of my children!" They see this and think, "Thank G…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 11:23 PM
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Wait, did the bookshelf fall apart, or are you burning it on principle?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 10:47 PM
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Yes, the end is male attention. Not passing on her genes. For women, the two are completely different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 10:32 PM
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I was wondering why OP seems to think that the Pick Me Girl is going to be having a million babies. Part of being a Pick Me Girl is being all "Oh, I don't care about babies or baby showers or any of that; I'd rather be doing anal all the livelong day."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 09:48 PM
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So?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 09:38 PM
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Yeah, I overhear some of Mr. Abrams' conversations with his brother or his friend from college (happen to be in the same room, not eavesdropping) and he might say something like "Creighton's father died" or "Creighton wants to be an astronaut now," but I do not think they ever discuss personal characteristics of one another's wives, on the exceedingly infrequent occasions that they discuss their wives at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 09:31 PM
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The horror! The horror!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:20 PM
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In the US, couples can become common law married simply by living with each other for a set length of time. There is no system to opt out, and you owe them half your stuff if they want it. This is flat-out false.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 08:10 PM
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I think you underestimate the extent to which young women do not understand how fixated young men are on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 06:45 PM
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And it does, but in the meantime, it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 06:08 PM
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There is a bunch of legal stuff that we don't have to deal with at all by virtue of the fact that we are married. My husband is regarded as the father of our children (which he is). We don't have to write wills to specifically will property to one another in the event that one of us dies. We don't have to come up with powers of attorney in the event that one of us is deathly ill or grievously injured. We get visiting privileges for one another in the hospital. There is all sorts of stuff. You ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 05:57 PM
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Bundling everything in with marriage has caused more problems than it has solved, IMO. How did you determine this?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 05:22 PM
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If they think they want the government to uphold their marriages for them, they should realize that incurs lots of obnoxious and expensive hassles that occur whenever you get the government involved. Um, you understand that they deal with this RIGHT NOW? That they WANT to deal with these "obnoxious and expensive hassles?" Most religious institutions have zero interest in performing any sort of "marriage" that will not be supported and reinforced by the state. They require that couples register w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 05:15 PM
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What did I miss when making these rules? The huge outcry from religious institutions who already strenuously reject the idea of being used for "spiritual" marriages that are not reinforced by the state. That's probably not the only thing you missed, but it was the first one that occurred to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 04:25 PM
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The women that do this these days are educated middle class coastal types. What red staters call liberal elites. People like you would not be welcome in their circles. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Do you think that the women here who disdain concubines are red-state fundamentalist Christians?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 12:27 PM
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Yes, there are more Californians than there are, say, Iowans. There are not more Californians than there are everybody else in the other forty-nine states, many of whose men apparently enjoy pretending that their state follows California divorce law than it does its own actual divorce law. That is what the women here do not understand, and that is what justifiably frustrates them, because it is impossible to have an intellectually honest conversation about divorce law if the male interlocutors i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 12:21 PM
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That's great. In the FSM, which is invisible to men, they are the lowest of the low.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 12:19 PM
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It's not some obscure backwater that can be safely ignored. For purposes of divorce law, it absolutely can be ignored. And should be, by anybody who does not live there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 01:59 AM
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additional partners Yeah, this is not just zero status, but actually negative status. It is literally the worst thing a woman in the West can be these days. It is worse than being a single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 01:56 AM
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"You are pretty great but not quite great enough for me to branch-swing away from the Son of God."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 07:23 PM
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“I am taking Holy Orders tomorrow” is less patriarchal yet!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 04:37 PM
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She may not be an adult. This is the kind of thing that a lot of women learn in college. And yeah, a lot of young women think highly of their male friends. People might tell them "boys only want one thing," but they don't think that's true of their friends. It is a rude awakening to learn that yes, it is true of their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:13 PM
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If I am divorcing in a non-California state, I can indeed safely ignore California divorce law.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:01 PM
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I assume it's the usual back-and-forth of fashion and makeup. The 1990s were preceded by the 1980s, whose makeup trends were very similar to what you see today; lots of color, lots of drama. In 10 years or so, maybe less, the pendulum will swing the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:01 PM
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I will check that out, thanks! I've noticed that "sheer coverage" has skewed much heavier over the past 25 years or so, and I keep getting duped.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 01:06 PM
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Are you aware of the fact that sex can be painful for women? For women, it's not "meh, even if it's bad, it's still pretty good." No. If it's bad, it can leave you in pain for days. And that's not even getting into things like UTIs or yeast infections or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 01:01 PM
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I am a woman and I had terrible skin as a teenager, so I have always focused more on skin care than makeup. I also came of age in the 1990s, when makeup tended to look like this, as opposed to what it looks like now, which I find caked-on and artificial and horrifying. When I do wear makeup, it's concealer, tinted moisturizer, blush, mascara. It takes less than a minute and a half. (Edit: and I have a hell of a time finding any tinted moisturizer that isn't full-coverage. Guerlain makes a BB cre…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 12:38 PM
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The vintage French dead stock linen sheets were my doing, not his. He put them in the dryer one day. I honestly think that my reaction would have been calmer had he told me that he was having an affair.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:27 AM
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Jobs with a low barrier to entry don't tend to pay all that well; news at eleven.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:10 AM
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Oh, I highly recommend it. I mean, a lot of that stuff is going to happen anyway; whether or not you get married, you will get older, you will have health problems, your parents will die, your co-workers will die of cancer and leave small children behind. Might as well do all that shit with someone. As Fezziwig said to the young Ebeneezer Scrooge in the George C. Scott version of A Christmas Carol, "What a difference it makes, Ebeneezer, to travel the rough road of life with the right female to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 02:52 AM
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The only reason I would marry her again is to have my two great kids. I have a friend who refuses to call her marriage a failure, even though it ended after a decade, because it produced their son, about whom they are both crazy. And now, two grandchildren. I have always thought that was a really really good way to look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 02:46 AM
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I saw that sentence and was thinking about how the same goes for me. (Edit: I don't think that Mr. Abrams doesn't "accept" that I'm not the same person that I was 14 years ago. I think that in some ways he appreciates that I am not, and in some ways he wishes I was still that person.) I was a lot more carefree and playful 14 years ago. I was a lot more intellectually engaging on a much wider variety of topics; I had subscriptions to the New Yorker and Vanity Fair and The Atlantic and The New Rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 02:18 AM
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That's great, but if I get divorced in Ohio or Virginia or Massachusetts or Hawaii, then why would I care about California's magical alimony requirements?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 12:40 AM
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I'd do everything exactly the same. I'd have married him sooner, if anything. Marrying Mr. Abrams was the smartest decision I have ever made in all my life and I tell him that at least two or three times a week. Edit: Married 18 years and together for 21 in May.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 12:39 AM
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Cultural literacy: it's not that difficult!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 10:00 PM
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What is “deluded” about remaining married for decades?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 09:39 PM
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Yeah, I don't care about America's hat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 08:22 PM
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It's biased against the higher earner, and even that only really obtains when there are children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 07:46 PM
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I was a LOT happier in our 1000sf starter house, but Mr. Abrams felt it keenly that we lived in a tiny little GI Joe postwar econobox, and he wanted a grownup house. Now he understands that neither of us is cut out to look after a grownup house, and we look forward to moving back into a postwar econobox soon. He will still want his linen sheets, his single malt, his rocks glasses, his club soda, and all his other creature comforts, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 05:46 PM
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You are correct, they can account for earnings during marriage under certain circumstances. In many cases, though, a prenup cannot waive alimony, and in no case can it waive child support. "Most people" don't check? So they're idiots. I don't see why the whole structure has to be re-worked for the lowest common denominator.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 05:44 PM
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That way, if one of them does end up making more money, or whatever other contingency, at least they know up front what the specific consequences will be in the event of divorce. They ALREADY know, if they can be bothered to check into how their state distributes marital assets in the case of divorce. Prenups only account for property or assets owned prior to marriage. I don't know why you want to re-invent this wheel.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 05:39 PM
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I mean, not even that; Eleanor of Aquitaine wanted to divorce her beta buxx King Louis of France so she could run away with her alpha fucks Henry II of England. So she was able to get the Pope to annul her for reasons of consanguinuity, ran off with Henry, and Louis found some other chump to marry. Nobody had to found another church or anything like that! (And Henry VIII wouldn't have had to found his own church had Catherine of Aragon's brother not put the screws to the Pope regarding an annulm…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 05:25 PM
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Well, we all know that men are happy to live in a bare, unfurnished shack, sleeping on the floor with the wind whistling through the door, and it's only women who "demand" things like "heat" and "running water" and "a bed" and "refrigeration." (Also, cakes.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 05:23 PM
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Divorce is somewhat better - not "far superior" - to having married parents who are high-conflict and high-drama and can't keep their noise and fighting out of the kids' line of sight. If you can't control yourself and stop screaming at one another every night, or throwing dishes, or punching holes through walls, then yes, divorce. "Most studies" have in fact found that in cases where parents just sort of dully resent one another, and are not high-conflict, outcomes for their children are far be…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 05:18 PM
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My parents were married for 52 years. Do you think that in half a century together, there were no points when one or both "didn't want to be together" anymore? They stuck together because they were family. That's what marriage is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 05:15 PM
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With the advent of "common law" relationships (I put my tampons under your sink, that establishes us as a couple with common property, half his house please) What are you talking about? There is no such thing as a "common law relationship" in the US, and common law marriage has been on the decrease for decades. States are routing it out one by one. It is far more difficult now to establish a half-assed legal partnership in the States than it has ever been in the past. Are you not talking about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 05:07 PM
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How many expensive, theatrical, destructive divorce proceedings do you think take place now? Are you looking at NBA divorces? Even the vast majority of MRP guys who have divorced have done so with a minimum of fuss. That's because divorce, mainly, is predictable. If either party is insane in the membrane or rich as Croesus, then yeah, the proceedings can get gaudy, but that would be the case with any legal case involving the crazy or the stupendously wealthy. I don't know where this expectation …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 04:51 PM
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Marriage was never a forcible lifetime commitment. Where do you think that was the case? Even when divorce was not easily available, people just lived apart. They even remarried sometimes. If the first spouse could be found, it was bigamous, but oh well. You keep talking about "legal and social mechanisms," and yeah, it used to be a lot more difficult to legally divorce, but it was never impossible, and it never kept couples together who were determined to part.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 04:46 PM
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Where do you live that women spend their income on cakes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:57 PM
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The state legislature disagreed with you so strenuously that they completely reconfigured divorce in that state.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:56 PM
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How is this good faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:22 PM
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You are aware that it was a pro ballplayer stiffing his wife and kids that is the reason for California's insane divorce laws these days, yes? Most states' laws are nothing like California's. I don't know why the manosphere pretends that they are. (Actually, yes, I do know why.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:17 PM
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And I'm also wondering why that accumulation is limited to women. I seem to recollect that your h has accumulated a fairly impressive amount of "cash and prizes."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:08 PM
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In one of his books, a female character talks about "going to Reno to do my residency." I knew what she meant the first time I read it, but probably not too many other people do these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:05 PM
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At the beginning of a few Raymond Chandler novels, Philip Marlowe has been reduced to doing "divorce work," and he's not very happy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 02:55 PM
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4" lifts!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 12:27 PM
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You're a man. Your opinion about what men are sexually desirable to women means less than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 01:55 PM
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If you are talking about actual schools of feminist thought, then I feel pretty confident in saying that no acknowledged first- or second-wave feminist thinker would think that a woman being upset because someone didn't like her makeup was a legitimate grievance. Indeed, the second-wave feminists would likely tell her that she shouldn't be wearing makeup at all. If you are talking about internet "feminists," i.e. the women now empowered by everything a woman does "feminists," as I suspect you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 01:30 PM
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We live in an area that is right on the verge between Appalachian Ohio and Rust Belt Ohio and so many of the young women here are tatted up banged-out single mothers. The "socially conservative" ones marry their college sweethearts about .4 seconds following graduation. Or they just get the fuck out of Dodge, and stay the fuck out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 08:09 PM
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If you think that a man's character and personality do not impinge upon the attention he gives me, the conversation he has with me, the companionship he provides me with, the sex we have, then I am not sure what I can say to you. If some guy has SUPERIOR CHARACTER and he doesn't want to say a word to me, how, exactly, are we supposed to have a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 03:05 AM
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Anybody that I am with romantically has to do things for me, yes. They can't just exist as a Platonic Man on the couch (or in the attic, or in the yard, or wherever). I need companionship, I need attention, I need sex, I need conversation, I need physical touch, I need help from time to time. I don't need money. I can buy my own stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 02:07 AM
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I didn't. He pursued me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:56 AM
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Why should I continue to answer any questions when you have already decided that you know everything that happened better than I do? What did he owe a woman that he wasn't married to and had no intention of marrying?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:53 AM
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There was no emotional affair. Keep in mind, this was in the late 1990s. There was no social media. There was barely any texting. At work we talked about baseball. We didn’t talk at all outside of work. He actually wanted to set me up with his brother at first, since his brother and I both have history degrees focusing on the 20th century and are both baseball fans. Eventually, though, he decided that he wanted me for himself. I made it clear that I had no intention of being a side piece and tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:25 AM
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I refused to have anything to do with him until he had moved out. Once he did, it was game on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 09:19 PM
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Do you think you are making some clever and pithy point about believing what women say? Do you think you are at DoubleX or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 06:12 PM
3

You're allegedly red. Are you suggesting that you believe what women say instead of watching what they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 06:07 PM
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How do you know? Because they virtue-signal that on r/datingoverthirty?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 06:04 PM
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What's to be gained from lowering her "no married guys" bar? Apparently the answer is "sex with u/officerkondo," and apparently, she didn't think that was a sufficient enticement. I wish you luck on your next outing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:57 PM
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Not every woman wants to be a mistress. I know this is difficult for you to understand. Oh, well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:54 PM
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"Not sleeping with married guys who have no intention of divorcing so they can marry her" isn't exactly setting the choosy bar sky-high.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:47 PM
2

Break who up? What are you talking about? Before Mr. Abrams, I had a high school boyfriend. I went to an extremely rigorous women's college and didn't date during undergrad. I was too busy working. No, I wouldn't have shared an inheritance with my high school boyfriend, or supported him financially, or had children with him, or done any number of other things for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 11:38 AM
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I gave you this link months ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 01:04 AM
4

🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 12:28 AM
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I would immediately have a DNA test done to make sure that this is really my husband's bastard, and that he's not trying to pretend that his dead sister's child is his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 12:27 AM
4

But he did it to make a point about paternity fraud. That's different, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 12:26 AM
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It is designed to support and sustain marriage. Common law barely exists in the US, and you have to spend a lot of money and a lot of time with a lawyer to institute the protections that marriage grants automatically. (And even then, they're not a sure thing.) The United States is resolutely pro-marriage. All our policy reflects that fact. But the consensus that marriage should be sustained at all costs has degraded. And, I remind you again, men were the ones who initiated this shift, immediatel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 12:08 AM
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Not arranged marriages, but that isn’t surprising, because it has never supported or sustained arranged marriages. No Western culture has.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 11:28 PM
5

Explain arranged marriages having better happiness outcomes then. Sure. They take place in cultures where the entire society is structured to support and sustain them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 11:14 PM
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I was raised by an alpha. It turned out to be a very very good thing for me (although it was not an easy childhood), but I'm not at all interested in fucking them or living with them. I didn't marry one. Edit: I'm married to WASP Chad, but he's not an alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 09:20 PM
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Then you nudge your husband-to-be and wag your eyebrows like Groucho Marx, so he knows that One Sex will be shortly forthcoming.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 09:10 PM
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If each goat is worth $20,000, then YOU ARE IN BUSINESS!!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 09:10 PM
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"If a man provides you with a house..."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 09:06 PM
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There aren't many religious institutions that allow this. We were married in the Catholic Church, and they don't do wedding cosplay. We had to show the priest the marriage license before he'd perform the ceremony.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 09:04 PM
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The moment I met him. It was at work. My manager introduced me to him and I shook his hand and it was like time stopped. He was living with his girlfriend at the time and I spent the next year as miserable as can be. It had never happened before and it has never happened since. I always assumed that I'd never marry, because I don't actually like very many people all that much and never thought I'd meet one that I liked enough to marry. If I had never met him, I don't think I'd be married right n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:12 PM
2

He is signing into a legal contract 😡
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:44 PM
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This comes up every time. This OP is just a variation on the "Women! Convince me that you're not all duplicitous whores!" OPs. If this guy doesn't want to believe a word I say, I don't care. If he thinks that my three kids are all by three different non-Mr. Abrams guys (EVEN THE TWINS, TWO SEPARATE FATHERS), he is free to do so. I'm not married to OP and I don't care what he thinks. I don't care what "men" think. I don't. Back at the ranch, in my actual life, Mr. Abrams trusts me, and I trust hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:30 PM
2

It probably is, but now that I am swamped in an endless tide of school papers, cheap plastic tat, Harry Potter books, and dirt-crusted half-inflated sportsballs, I dream about tiny houses the way Barbara Walters used to dream about Henry Kissinger.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:09 AM
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You don't have to check anybody's history for any reason. Nobody has to be patient with you when you ask a question they have answered a thousand fucking times, most recently just a few days ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:44 AM
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Give me one of those Tiny Houses and let me bring, like, 25 of my earthly possessions and I am there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:43 AM
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You don't have to check anybody's history for any reason. Nobody has to be patient with you when you ask a question they have answered a thousand fucking times, most recently just a few days ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:41 AM
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I have no idea what you are even trying to ask anymore. There was an OP not that long ago which touches on your concerns, and which I weighed in on, which is why I am so impatient with someone asking me not one week later to justify myself to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:32 AM
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He’s a loser because I have read OP’s post history and seen her describing this guy as a super-smart STEMlord coder who is”too smart to read books,” so smart that nobody else can even understand him, and yet he was unemployed until very recently and drones on and on about code while they are together. The SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS was just the icing on the cake. Yeah, no thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:25 AM
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“This dude” as in the loser (SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS) who was described in the OP. Who the fuck did you think I was referring to? My actual husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:13 AM
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Where did I say that? I can tell that you actually can’t meet my third-grader’s Common Core reading comprehension standards, so you should take some time off to brush up on those.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 11:59 PM
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The fact that this is a debate sub doesn’t mean I owe every swinging dick an explanation for every dumb shit question he might care to ask. Especially when it is a question I have exhaustively explained my answer to over the course of the past several years. “I’m just asking!l” Right, which is why you phrased your first question as “Why are you so desperate to get married?” Fuck right off with that snide shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 11:28 PM
2

Well, let's keep this within the realm of possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 10:05 PM
2

In a car whose oil I change? Not likely, buster.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 10:04 PM
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I'm not bringing no mad girl game for no SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. I mean, I have my pride.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 09:50 PM
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You’re asking me to answer a counterfactual about someone who isn’t my husband and I’m not terribly interested in indulging you. I wouldn’t have had kids with him, that’s for damned sure. Edit: a word
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 09:39 PM
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He wouldn't have refused. If I had refused, then he would have dumped me and found another woman to marry, for reasons that are specific to him and his family.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 09:33 PM
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I dispute the idea that "other women are going to want him as their own" if he is actually so against marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 09:31 PM
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I've been married for nearly 18 years to a man who insisted on marriage. Go neg somebody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 09:29 PM
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Oh my God I didn't even see that OP was a woman. If I ever find either of my daughters trying to talk themselves into a guy like this, I will kidnap them and move to Bhutan or something. Jesus H. Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 09:27 PM
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I make a lot more money than that, can drive myself to doctor's appointments, and know how to change my own oil. Other women can be this guy's forever girlfriend. I would not give this dude the time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 09:03 PM
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I would refer him to this thread and this thread, both of which discussed the matter exhaustively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 04:37 PM
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"Engaged to be engaged." 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 03:17 PM
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time and time again he will seek unrealistic levels of comfort in his relationship Ha ha ha ha ha ha
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 12:33 AM
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Like if I were a woman I'd see it as a perfectly rational question and wouldn't mind answering it... I might even be slightly flattered by it, instead of angry or offended. Yeah, maybe if it were the first or second time it happened. A lot of the women posting here have been here for years, have answered similar questions dozens of times, have been told that they are unreliable reporters of their own lives, and don't care anymore if some dude asks them bullshit like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 07:57 PM
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Your mom never threatened you with a wooden spoon? These days, the enterprising mom threatens her children with social media exposure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 01:43 AM
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Oh, don't I know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 01:34 AM
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"Hard hitting?" Have you not seen the dozens of times women here are asked to answer OPs like this? They show in job lots each and every week.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 12:52 AM
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Don't trust anybody. Why should anybody here care what you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 12:51 AM
5

I couldn’t remember if it was you or Stingray!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 11:36 PM
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I said on the AWALT OP that I wouldn't stay with a slump-shouldered loser because "I love him for him," whatever that means. What I didn't say, because I don't feel like being told that my intentions and actions are not what I know they are, is that I would never be with or marry a loser in the first place. I've been married for 18 years, and my intention is to remain married until I die. I've supported Mr. Abrams through unemployment, underemployment, his estrangement with his mother, all kinds…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 10:25 PM
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Of course I'm AWALT. I'm not going to stick with some slump-shouldered loser because I love him for him. Edit: A lot of that other stuff has nothing to do with AWALT and everything to do with slump-shouldered losers talking shit about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 07:56 PM
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You and I and cxj have been saying this for literally years.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 12:46 PM
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I think that fembrained women want "children." They might not want them RIGHT THIS VERY INSTANT, but they will have an idea of their future selves that includes children. (This is how harems were possible in certain parts of the world; these women identified primarily with their children, regardless of who the father was.) I think that more manbrained women want one particular man's children. As in, it is likely that they won't want children at all until they meet that one particular man who tri…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 12:43 PM
4

That would open it right up for the surviving party!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 01:45 AM
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I don't wake up every morning thinking wow I can poor myself a clean cup of tap water without getting cholera This is your own poverty of imagination, then. Mr. Abrams had to sit me down and tell me that when I greeted complaints with "Hey, at least you weren't born in 1920 Warsaw" it did not actually make him feel better. Makes me feel a hell of a lot better, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 01:10 AM
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do any of you even know the 60s happened? No. what happiness poll numbers are being done on women in 1895? I have asked this before, in all seriousness, and was told to stop being foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 01:07 AM
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I've been married for nearly 18 years. Nothing is getting opened up. We either stay locked down, or he decides to open it aaaaaaaaaaallllll the way up and we get divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 01:04 AM
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It's always an actual videotape, and for some reason, these people always seem to have a VHS player in the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 07:26 PM
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Women didn't find it unfair. They found it revolting. They found it threatening. You must understand that the sex part of it was the least of it. Playboy was explicit about wanting men to reject the provider role in favor of bachelor living and plate-spinning. In a world where it was perfectly legal for employers to discriminate against women and hire men for any jobs that paid enough to support a family - and where alimony and child support was not yet a thing - this was an existential threat t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 07:23 PM
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but but but he's so rich
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 07:02 PM
3

How are you going to claim that it's "not unfair" when that's the takeaway from the whole Playboy female unplugging? Please unpack this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 07:00 PM
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wtf did you get a new car or what
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 03:09 AM
1

Thank you very much, but all of this is available to anybody who does even a modicum of reading about US social history. I can provide a syllabus to those who are interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 03:07 AM
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Are you drunk?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 03:07 AM
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The vast vast vast majority of people were not upper class.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 05:12 PM
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Are you acting like that was the norm in 2000 years of Western history? Women being rounded up and shipped off to marry strangers? Yes, that happened. It was NOWHERE NEAR the norm. The VAST majority of women selected husbands from their peer groups, i.e. groups of friends vetted by their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 04:13 PM
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English is not your first language, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:55 AM
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There is no debate in a society that does not allow women to choose who they marry. Perhaps. But this was not the West, for the past 2000 years or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:54 AM
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I know it's a legal term of art. Canada is completely different than the US and it is disingenuous in the extreme to pretend that it's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:20 AM
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"Presented" ha ha ha ha ha She was never your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:02 AM
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"Officially?" YOU NEVER MARRIED HER AT ALL. Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ. She was NEVER your wife. I will remind you of this at every opportunity going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:56 AM
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You obviously don't think it's a big deal, in spite of the fact that all of your children were born in wedlock.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:51 AM
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Some of us are perfectly capable of supporting any number of children all by ourselves. We just don't want to be the mother of bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:47 AM
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Good thing that individual men don't marry "many women," then, isn't it? I mean, some of you do, but most of you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:44 AM
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"Oh, no, I am pregnant! Welp, guess I'll just have this baby and not do anything about it." Plenty of women do that, yeah, but I am not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:43 AM
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Or just continue to live with your baby mama. It's funny that you say this. If I had somehow managed to get pregnant while we were dating or engaged, Mr. Abrams would have been the one on fire to get us down to the courthouse ASAP. Illegitimate children are disinherited, in his family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:43 AM
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Yes, and there are ways to avert those accidents, or clean them up once they have happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 01:22 AM
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Why do men assume that just because women aren't blathering on about things online, they must not be doing them? I was once asked why I don't debate people on the history subreddits. Well, because I have actual colleagues, who are actual experts, that I can do that with. I don't like spending time talking about history with people who haven't read a history book since their 10th grade class. Anyway, I think a lot of women have investments; they're just part of their 401(k) or their Roth IRA. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 07:26 PM
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I grew up believing that I would never be married. Although I am an extrovert, there aren't too many people that I can spend a lot of time with without wanting to kill them, so I assumed, reasonably, that it would be very difficult or impossible for me to find a man who would make me think that living with him was better than being alone. Then I found Mr. Abrams when I was 22, started dating him a year later, married three years after that. He was the one who brought up marriage first, he was th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 05:36 PM
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It is mystifying to me why so many men don't understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:56 PM
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More people need to read at least a little bit about social history.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:34 PM
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It's a cognate, not an exact equivalent. Jesus. Sex is a non-negotiable for most men with respect to LTRs, after a certain point. Marriage is a non-negotiable for most women with respect to LTRs, after a certain point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:13 PM
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feminism did nothing to counter male sexuality/the male imperative...all it did was free up female sexuality and facilitate a greater acceptance of female hypergamy. No, it was the sexual revolution that did that, not second-wave feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:10 PM
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vs cultures that do not have some form of marriage Yes, this part. Tell me what cultures those are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:07 PM
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Male solipsism. It definitely is. I mean, hell, there are men out there in sexless marriages, right? That proves that they must not care!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:06 PM
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How many human cultures do not have some form of marriage? I am asking seriously. Also "perfect relationship" by definition excludes a man who does not want marriage. This is like telling a man about a "perfect relationship" except that the woman won't have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 02:49 PM
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Those are my old comments and yes, men kicked it off. They had no idea what they were turning loose. Talk about your unintended consequences. ETA: In case anybody else can't get the link in the OP to work, here is another one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 02:47 PM
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If Uncle Lew was in a non-divisional unit near Cambodia in 1966, they may have!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 02:44 PM
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Back to this again?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 02:04 PM
2

The Civil War was always a favorite, I think because it is remote enough that it didn't dredge up any bad memories for him, or about the men in his family, and because it offered many pleasurable opportunities for him to get worked up about treasonous Confederates. The Plains Wars, obviously. Towards the end of his life he was more willing to talk about neutral-to-positive things about Vietnam, like the Burmese python that lived in the base camp where he spent a year, near the Cambodian border. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 12:22 PM
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He stuck to beer and dark dark ("I WANT IT MURKY LIKE A SWAMP") red wine, but it was a LOT of fun to sit and drink with him and talk history late into the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:33 AM
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What? Do you think that Saltonstall descendants who, idk, illustrate children's books are any less upper-class because their jobs pay nothing at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:28 AM
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My dad's normal face made him look like he was about to kill someone. Even on his deathbed, he looked furiously angry. I've never seen that kind of next-level resting irate face on anybody else in my life. And yeah, people who didn't know him very very well tended to avoid him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 02:31 AM
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He derives his status from his social class, not from his profession. Most teachers are middle class. He is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 02:02 AM
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It's like Atlas_B_Shruggin said. This is all tied to social class. I'm married to an upper class man who has never made more money than I have. He's a teacher. It's his passion career. He is still infinitely higher status than a plumber who earns three times what Mr. Abrams does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 09:22 PM
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"See me." Edit: Or, as one English professor memorably scrawled on a paper that Mr. Abrams wrote about Moby Dick, "I don't know what you're talking about, and I don't think you do, either."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 04:18 PM
1

I've never felt uncomfortable in my skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 05:10 PM
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Pairing off in their early 20s, not marrying in their early 20s. I started dating Mr. Abrams when I was 23. We didn't marry until I was 26.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 12:46 PM
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Fun girly things. Yeah, my dad was more concerned with making sure I knew how to shoot and how to survive in the woods if I ever somehow got lost. (Not sure how that would have happened; the man only took me hiking once or twice and we lived in the suburbs.) My mom grew up in extreme rural poverty, so she didn't really have all that much girling in her skill set, either. She did try to buy me a bunch of twin sets and skirts just before I went to college, but I think that had more to do with her …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 02:31 AM
5

I don't want to feel feminine
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 02:09 AM
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I've never primarily thought of myself as "feminine." But I've talked before about my relationship with my father; he had zero patience with traditional performative femininity, did not reward it, penalized it ruthlessly (it's weakness; weakness gets you killed). So I could be an outlier here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 01:59 AM
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Why do you terps come to PPD and tell us that it's not misogynist? Do you think we don't have eyes? TRP argues that women are hypoagent children - not teenagers, not the oldest teenager in the house, but actual children. Have the courage of your convictions. At the very least, don't insult our intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 01:55 AM
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I don't get this question. I'm a woman, but I don't move through the day reflecting on how this or that makes me "feel" "feminine." By definition, I am feminine. Most of the time I just perceive myself as CreightonWAbrams. The stuff that makes me feel like my "true inside self" is stuff like research, writing, running, cooking. You tell me how "feminine" any of those things are. I guess I felt "feminine" while I was pregnant?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 01:44 AM
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This is where we go, even now, and where we have gone for nearly the past 20 years. They also have country ham that is some of the most wonderful fucking stuff I have ever eaten.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 09:31 PM
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Filet has always been Mr. Abrams' favorite, but I've never cared for it all that much. I am a ribeye girl through and through. We generally switch off. I'll do something like Steak Diane or sauce bearnaise when we cook filet. I love love love hanger steak, but it can be tough to find. When the Whole Foods has it in stock, I will generally buy them out, since our butcher eats it himself instead of selling it. :-( I will look up that video! I still like the taste just fine; it's just the texture t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 05:59 PM
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I've had a texture issue with NY strips ever since I was pregnant with the twins. I will take one for the team sometimes, but they're not my preference. It pains me, because I used to really really love them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 05:46 PM
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She literally said that her friend has swagger and charisma. The implication is not that "every man can be successful this way." The implication is that if you have swagger and charisma, you're not going to have bullshit incel neurosis about this stuff, since you're going to be too busy getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 01:46 PM
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Yeah, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 02:17 AM
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It's not like cooking at home equals "frugal," either. Says the woman who just cooked rib roast for her husband, two dinners in a row.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 11:38 PM
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It's not difficult to be a normal, responsible person. Reddit, where being a normal, responsible person is the Impossible Dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 07:53 PM
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The 1998 exhibit of Mark Rothko's work at the National Gallery of Art was extremely crowded. I know this, because Mr. Abrams and I visited that exhibit probably twenty or thirty times, in spite of the fact that he is a raging introvert. He never had any problem with it, because an art exhibit is not a cocktail party; nobody expects you to make small talk or to socialize with anybody except maybe the person that you came with. Not being able to go to a movie or an art exhibit isn't introversion; …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 07:48 PM
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I'm probably a lot more frugal than this putative man; I hang all my clothes to dry and I make my own yogurt and I have never in my life bought a paper napkin or paper towels and I can't remember the last time I paid to go to a museum. But yeah, I'm still going to want to get out of the house and look at art and hear music and see movies in the theater and go to baseball games. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 07:41 PM
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Acting like someone is a bad person for wanting their partner to stay alive, which is honestly the bare minimum of commitment I would expect from a relationship Jesus H. Christ, buartha, is there NOTHING you won't stop short of demanding?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 07:32 PM
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Most marriages break up when a child dies. I'm not surprised that Musk's was no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 07:19 PM
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You are still being disingenuous. Marriage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BASTARD children
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 04:22 PM
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it still looks as if the women in question really value being able to punish their partner for leaving more than having kids (or, worded more positively: they value their partner not being able to leave them more than they value having kids) As long as you are going to insist that this is what marriage means, and that this is the reason that women marry, there is no point in continuing this conversation with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 04:11 PM
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a stable yet nonmarital relationship By every measurement, and adjusted for every variable, nonmarital relationships will always be less stable than marriages. They are, in fact, sub-par. I won't willingly enter such a sub-par situation because I hedge my bets on being able to produce an optimal situation with kids Avoiding the sub-par situation is exactly what women have told you they'll do, even if it costs them their would-be bastard children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 03:53 PM
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They would rather die childless than bear bastards, yes. You rephasing this a thousand times to make it sound better doesn't change what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 03:52 PM
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Common law marriage exists in only a few states in the US, and you have to meet several conditions. An unmarried mother is a single mother, even if they've been living together for over a decade. She is the mother of a bastard. Again, how does it surprise you that most of the women here aren't interested that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 03:13 PM
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the women in question considered having their own children less important than the option to financially punish a partner for leaving. Because, of course, the only reason that women want marriage is so they can divorce rape men. There is literally no other justification for getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 02:40 PM
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Why would it surprise you that a bunch of middle class and UMC women wouldn't want to bear bastards?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 02:35 PM
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Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 02:32 PM
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Ew. No. I don't share.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 08:10 PM
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They're not cheating to get in. Their parents are cheating for them. Have you not read this story? It's been all over the news for the past two days.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 03:36 PM
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I used to shop at the same Costco as Sally Quinn and Richard Perle. Before we had kids, I'd stop by after work (it's right across the highway from the Pentagon) and come home with steaks and Champange and Bordeaux and fancy cheese and dozens of roses. We went to that very same Costco soon after the twins were born and I threw a minor fit in the parking lot as we left, because we had just dropped close to $600 and it was all on shit like diapers and wipes and formula and milk. Zero steak or Champ…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 03:20 PM
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Yeah, having your celebrity parents buy your way into USC really takes a modicum of effort on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 03:16 PM
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I live an hour away from Costco. They do not have anywhere near the saturation in the Midwest that they do on the coasts. Do you think there are no UMC people in flyover country?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 02:59 PM
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And in areas where the closest Costco is an hour or more away, they buy this stuff at Target. Target markets itself to UMC, and very successfully, too. UMC women can’t buy their Bliss glycolic acid pads at Safeway or Whole Foods or Costco.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 02:39 PM
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They don’t buy tampons and printer paper and laundry detergent at fucking Nordstrom. Are you actually aware of what Target sells?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 02:31 PM
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Any parent who wants "equality" for their children is a pretty shitty one. I want much much better than that for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 11:05 AM
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You're a typical woman. Quick to judge, and quick to throw the responsibility of you're entertainment on someone else. Excuse me, do I know you? The woman you are referring to agreed with my comment. Perhaps you did not understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 01:32 AM
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Depends on how much you still care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 12:50 AM
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I am absolutely gobsmacked at so many of the dudes on here who think that WOMEN should be responsible for teaching men how to man. THE FIRST RULE OF RED PILL IS TO NOT LISTEN TO WOMEN.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 12:40 AM
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Oh, boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 12:35 AM
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I was raised working class. It informs my habits to this very day, although I have slowly and with great effort absorbed the mores of my UC husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 10:42 PM
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I didn’t say that it was a class issue. MC and higher women probably get it out of their systems and move on to marriage. And a lot of MC and higher women avoid it altogether. A college degree is correlated with a lower N.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 10:09 PM
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You're assuming that SHE is aware of the fact that she's not attracted to you, in those words.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 09:34 PM
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Tell a woman you work in IT at Amex.. "oh that's nice." Tell a woman you're a Systems Architect at American Express.. "WOOWW! You must make a lot of money" Joke's on you; most women have no idea what the fuck a systems architect does, and just about all women will think that both men sound boring af.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 09:33 PM
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I think younger women like extravagant romantic gestures. Older women who have been married for a while probably prefer regular thoughtful gestures. If Mr. Abrams ever brought home Champagne and then made me dinner, I would probably swoon.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 08:02 PM
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There are plenty of women who DO like that kind of thing. They just don't post at PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 07:55 PM
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OMG that is so awesome. Especially the lighting!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 07:46 PM
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I actually had no problem with it whatsoever and made small talk with my RE about how much my radiologist sucked while watching the glowing green dye spill through my reproductive tract!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 07:43 PM
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Yeah, probably one of the best things that Mr. Abrams has ever done is make me a bacon-egg-and-cheese sandwich on a bagel after we got home from a medical procedure. It was an HSG that I needed done while we were trying to figure out why I kept miscarrying; I hadn't eaten anything that day because I didn't know how I'd react and I was tired and hangry and a little bit heartbroken at the fact that I had to have all of these appointments and procedures that wouldn't let me forget about the miscarr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 07:07 PM
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Why not extrapolate it to all women under 45, then? Women can and do get divorced. Married women can and do branch-swing. What, exactly, is "the real point?" You're acting like it's that women "inning and aahing" about whether they can do better "need" this information. If that is the case, then it doesn't matter if they're married or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 05:45 PM
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Mothers teach their sons about how to be sweet little betas who open doors for women and carry their grocery bags to the car. They don't teach their sons how to be stylish Chads. Are you fucking kidding me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:26 PM
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Are you seriously arguing that a woman who is engaged and months away from marriage, in a years-long LTR, at age 25 is no different from a CC-riding Stacey? Because if that is seriously what you are arguing, then there is no point in continuing this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:11 PM
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I don't have time to fuck around. Let's get this box checked and then we can discuss sex or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:00 PM
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Every single fucking time this topic comes up, PPD women have to point this fact out. EVERY SINGLE TIME. Do these men think that women wake up when they're 28, go outside, chloroform the first passing dude they see, and smuggle him into a courthouse?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:48 PM
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This info is relevant for women from about 25. About 70% are still unmarried then No shit. I was unmarried at 25. I was, however, engaged, and I was married by the following year. Why do RP men have this fixed idea that "unmarried" must necessarily mean "off riding the CC, blithely unaware that her SMV/RMV is about to hit the skids?" I would hazard to say that most middle-to-upper class women are in a LTR that will lead to marriage by the age of 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:47 PM
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You can't have a discussion about age at marriage and long-term marriage success rate without including education level.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:44 PM
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This scenario has happened, multiple times, although not with guys who were bigger or better-looking than Mr. Abrams, because there aren't many guys out there who answer to this description. In every case, he turned and said something like, "WHAT IS IT? You have my FULL attention!" and the guy backed right the fuck down. ("Yo, sorry, man, I don't mean no disrespect.") So there you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 02:28 PM
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TIL that a woman subjecting her body to a variety of hormones on a consistent basis is "a lazy effort."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 02:06 AM
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you either have to prevent an event from happening (or at least make an earnest effort in trying to prevent it) Yeah, but you also don't want women to use birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 01:36 AM
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This is the best bot ever. Holy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 10:19 PM
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Well, you seem to be really hung up on the concept that in order to "take responsibility," a person has to perform the act themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 10:14 PM
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the children are raised by collectively by the community Speaking as a parent, oh fuck no. "The community" will never ever ever give as much of a damn about my children as I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:23 PM
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Are you one of those guys who gets all pissed off if his wife buys a birthday cake from a nice bakery instead of crafting it by hand all by herself? I once bought Mr. Abrams a very delicious chocolate cake that was made by a former White House pastry chef. He did not seem to care that I had not taught myself that sort of baking instead of paying someone else to do it. Likewise, when I needed surgery in order to be able to carry a baby to term, nobody acted as though I were morally suspect for fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 08:56 PM
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A long time ago I read a piece in the paper by a dad whose son shattered a window with a baseball. The father made the son pay it back by making him iron his dress shirts, at the rate of a dime per shirt. The dad was very smug about how this taught his son the value of a buck and literally wrote something along the lines of "I didn't want him to think that he could just buy his way out of this." But a broken window is a problem that you literally buy your way out of. It's broken; you pay someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 08:10 PM
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You may find this excellent guide to Clausewitz handy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 03:50 PM
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Mainly Western. Everything from the Peloponnesian War to the Long War. Most of my professional expertise is in US Army force structure and in the use of historical case studies to illustrate universal principles of conflict such as Clausewitz's trinity, war termination, use of diplomacy, use of allies, the spectrum of limits on war aims and means of conflict, et al. Some boring pain in the ass mod wrote an OP on some of this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 12:09 AM
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That's a cool trick, since I've never been on Discord.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 08:12 PM
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We could have one of those every month for the next decade and it would still not even approach the number of times that we have hosted Slut Week.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 08:10 PM
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That is setting the bar pretty fucking low, no offense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:46 PM
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I think that men (and women) should do whatever the fuck they want and that they shouldn't whine about the consequences. If they don't want to go to war, nobody is making them. (And I will get up in their grill if they start moaning about the Selective Service.) I personally require a pretty masculine man, due to my upbringing, and I don't require much comfort. But that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:35 PM
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incel You don't say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:21 PM
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I used to be ArthurMacArthur. For a while I was EmoryUpton. I am not even within shouting distance of being a RPW.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:16 PM
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😢 More for me to write, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:03 PM
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??? I'm not Atlas.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 05:53 PM
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Well, it's Fish Week (or possibly Cleaning Week). Beats the hell out of Rape Week.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 05:53 PM
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u/Atlas_B_Shruggin had a really good OP about this a while back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 05:44 PM
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Yay, outlier, story of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 04:29 AM
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It depends on how the rest of my life is going. If I'm running 5 miles of hard trails in 40 minutes, killing it at work, and my skin looks like that of a 30-year-old, I don't mind mess. If I'm pulling 16-hour days for a project that has no end in sight, have put on 8 pounds because not being able to exercise makes a big difference when you're 44, the weather is for shit, and the kids are acting up, then yeah, a mess will make me feel like my life is an even more out-of-control failure than it al…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:12 PM
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I was reading that other thread of all the women saying "He's just given up and is not as clean as he used to be". I'm not sure how much room for interpretation there is in "When he was single he always washed every one of his dishes the minute he was done with them" and "He now leaves all his plates and cups and flatware on the countertop above the dishwasher." Likewise "He still takes just as obsessive care with his own personal possessions as he did when he was single; he just doesn't do anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 10:57 PM
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I mean, his username checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 10:48 PM
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My husband is much better at being polite than either my father or I. It is likely a tribute to his UC upbringing, and it enables us to have a good cop/bad cop routine that gets excellent results. That said, I routinely defer to him on all school-related issues. edit: grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:04 PM
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I am not chiding you; I find it mildly ridiculous that you have so much invested in this principal. My own father never would have set foot in a principal's office unless I had been physically endangered or harmed somehow, and if that had ever been the case, he wouldn't have been presenting statistics. The very idea that he would have given a flying fuck about some school administrator is laughable. You sometimes seem to be half a cut above some of the crayon-eaters here, though, so it puzzles m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:29 PM
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I'm not sure why you think I think she is admirable. I understand her perspective. Everybody but you seems to be aware of the fact that understanding a different perspective does not amount to endorsement of that perspective. My husband is a teacher. My sister is a teacher. My best friend from kindergarten is a teacher. My mother was on our town's school board for decades. I am intimately familiar with public education systems from a variety of perspectives, from instructional to administrative …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:04 PM
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As our pediatrician laughs at and mocks her. And I bet she cares about this exactly as much as she cares about your statistics proofs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:55 PM
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I don't care what her administrative duties are, they aren't grounded in reality. That's great. She still has to execute them, though. You don't have to care, but it is pointless to get upset with her for being concerned about her professional responsibilities. Your insistence that others conform to your ideas and priorities is deeply weird. I know that you are a self-described narcissist, but what you're describing is not "I know she has her own priorities, but I don't care about them." It's "I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 04:07 PM
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You mean "chivalric?" Thanks for the collection of sentences that had absolutely nothing to do with the question I posed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 03:58 PM
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That more than likely, she was enjoying the power she had that she felt like she didn't otherwise have outside of her position. More than likely, she was worried about the fact that in most states, school funding is tied to attendance and principals get strung up by their fingernails if they are out of compliance. My kids missed a ton of school when my father was dying and for his funeral; my husband has known their principal for 40 years and the principal's sister and brother-in-law live across…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 03:51 PM
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As the OP is read As YOU read the OP, you mean. This is a debate subreddit; it is not where anybody "reframes" "widely-held" RP concepts. That happens at r/theredpill, not here. Is it actually possible for you to take an OP like this at face value and not as some fundamental challenge to the very foundations of RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 03:18 PM
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Are you doing that thing where you pretend that there are no such things as colloquialisms? So the answer to this is yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:59 PM
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Why are you treating OP as if he subscribes to your theories, and therefore his concept of "authentic" love is the same as yours? Are you doing that thing where you pretend that there are no such things as colloquialisms?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:46 PM
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That's not how men understand the concept of love. Okay, so what? Are you saying that "men" are incapable of understanding that women have a "different" concept of "love?" Your thinking on this is so weirdly fixed. When my kids get hung up on some dumb thing I don't spend months of my time and huge portions of my brain power trying to convince them in every way I can think of that THEY'RE WRONG. I accept that they have different priorities than I do, that their priorities impinge on mine to a ce…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:29 PM
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Well, there is now a Georgian restaurant in DC, to which we will soon be returning, so perhaps I can get my labor-intensive dumplings there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:51 AM
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If you have acne, then get that taken care of, for real. My brother-in-law had very good luck with Accutane.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:06 AM
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The Count of Monte Cristo is my sister's favorite book; she re-reads it every year. I haven't read it in 20 years or so and should do something about that. I tried the normal khachapuri, but have been thinking about trying the one with the egg yolks. If I can find khinkali, I'll try it, but making it myself might be a bridge too far. My dad's family is Polish and I could not stand making pierogi, even with the newfangled pierogi crimpers that are available. Eating filled dumplings is delightful;…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 01:59 AM
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I am a military historian who almost wrote her dissertation on the Siege of Leningrad; of course I know about Georgia! I have attempted khachapuri, with varying degrees of success; I've also roasted chickens stuffed with rice and dried cherries. Green bean salad with vinegar and dill and cilantro and garlic. Roasted beets pureed with herbs. Lamb kebab marinated in vinegar and ground onion. I got that last one from Alexandre Dumas, who traveled extensively in Georgia and who wrote rhapsodically a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 12:41 AM
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Georgian food is AWESOME. Are you moving to the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 12:32 AM
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I graduated from high school in 1992 so I have no idea what you people are doing nowadays. If you're a junior next year, though, you'll be pretty well positioned, I think. Do keep in mind that high school girls will likely be pretty mindful of their reputations. If you've been reading on the internet about women banging their way through Advent calendars of guys or something, remember that those are adult women. High school girls live their lives in a fishbowl, so you may not find quite the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 12:22 AM
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You mean, "How important is social status to high school girls?" Very. Some girls will be fine with dating the quirky witty introvert. No girls will be okay with dating (sorry, banging) the weirdo loner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 12:01 AM
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I was literally just saying yesterday that the loss of monasteries and convents is a real loss. There are a LOT of people out there who would find deep comfort in that kind of highly structured and regimented same-sex life. The liberation from the expectation of participation in the SMP, and the expectation of a bangin' sex life, would itself be a huge boon for many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 11:30 PM
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I WOULD NEXT YOU IMMEDIATELY FOR EVEN THINKING ABOUT THIS QUESTION.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 11:24 PM
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Mr. Abrams would have set himself on fire before leaving a glass or a dish on the counter at his old bachelor pad. He didn't have a dishwasher, but he washed everything by hand the minute he was finished using it. Compare that today, when I am confronted by an army of used plates and bowls and glasses as I pass through the kitchen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 08:34 PM
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I sometimes end up playing lawn-mowing chicken with Mr. Abrams and he gets SO ANGRY when I mow it after three or four weeks. I don't nag; I don't even mention it; I just do it. "I WAS GOING TO DO THAT." Okay, dude, fine, but it needed to get done before we got a citation from the township.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 08:31 PM
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My husband is insanely tidy. He almost expired of joy when I found him a 1930s chifforobe that had pre-divided drawers so he could have all his little OCD compartments for belts, socks, cufflinks, whatever. When he was single, he kept a scrupulously tidy living space. He is still tidy with his own stuff, but all the scrupulous care that he applied to his own living space is gone. It changed when we married. All of that became my problem. He will pitch in if I point stuff out, but it was like his…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 08:08 PM
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If you want to wash your car weekly, that's fine, but that's also a preference and not a requirement. It's about the same thing as women who organize the pantry once a week. Does it contribute to quality of life? Sure. Is it necessary? No way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:17 PM
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I do all this stuff. I replace the GFCI outlets; I unclog the drains (I rented a huge electric snake two months ago to clear out the main drain stack in the basement and one knee is still mildly swollen from kneeling on the concrete floor for six hours); I rake the leaves; I mow the lawn (push mower; one acre). I'd rather do ALL THAT STUFF than the tedious housework bullshit that I also do. You know why? The lawn only needs to be mowed once a week at most. And once it has been mowed, there is NO…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:15 PM
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how someone could be a "talented" reproducer? Those of us who spontaneously conceive children in job lots, rather than this one-by-one foolishness that the rest of you plebeians mysteriously insist on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:56 PM
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My husband has never made anywhere near as much money as I do. This has never been a problem, because A. he works just as hard on his career as I do on mine (his just happens to be less well-remunerated); B. he looks damned good; and C. he would never in a million years tolerate me being a bitch to him just because I make more money. If a guy can keep his "hand," he has nothing to worry about, regardless of how much he makes. A lot of men can't do that, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:38 PM
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Men cheating does not mean that the man has checked out of the relationship emotionally. His primary directive is to spread his genes as much as he can. Explain to me why I, as a woman, should give a flying fuck that my husband impregnating some rando means that he has not "checked out of the relationship emotionally."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:50 PM
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There are plenty of UMC men in other parts of the country that aren't under the same pressure to marry as those in Smurfy's area. DC is full of unmarried UMC guys, and nobody gives a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:41 PM
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This might be particular to where Smurfy is. Men of her class, in her geographic location, really need a wife. If a guy of a certain age is divorced or still single, he needs to lock a woman down to indicate that he is a responsible individual who can be trusted with the duties of his profession, and not some hedonistic pleasure-seeking Mr. Unreliable. My SIL lives in that area and her ex-husband has really suffered loss of professional status. (Hers, oddly, is through the roof.) Plus, all the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:20 PM
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So, I'm having a hard time understanding the enthusiasm TRP has for the delayed male SMP with what I see happening IRL. What good is peaking later in life if you don't want to take advantage of it? Very few of them are that age and I would imagine that a lot of the college kids and 20-somethings are imputing their existing sex drive to their future 40-something self.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:18 PM
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Deviation from this principle has absolutely annihilated RPW in its current incarnation. And the gross violation of this principle is why women sneer at the advice given by that guy that Smoogs posted about yesterday. "Listen to men!" Yeah, okay, buddy. I'll get right on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:11 PM
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What separates the naturals? Charisma. That is literally it. Unfortunately, it is very difficult, perhaps impossible, to develop charisma out of nowhere. If you have it but are shy, you can work on overcoming your shyness, but conjuring out out of nowhere? That's a whole other ballgame. I assume that the verging-on-impossibility of developing charisma out of nowhere is why TRP focuses so much on lifting, frame, and various tricks like A&A and AM. With enough work, you can create a reasonable fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:03 PM
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Dunno what the UMC would do. The UC marries Amy because they don't want dipshitted children and maternal intelligence influences the intelligence of their sons (but not their daughters, oddly) more strongly than paternal intelligence, for some reason. Possibly as a giant karmic troll to the dudes who pick hot bimbos for breeding stock.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:56 AM
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I will be honest: this is too individual to tell you for certain. There are a LOT of girls out there who would feel betrayed if they got engaged to Mr. Hot Ripped and found out while paging through old yearbooks or something (showing my age) that Hot Ripped is his new pseudonym and he was actually born as Mr. Gross Loser. That said, if you don't have any intention of keeping those kinds of girls around long enough for them to look through your yearbooks, then you don't have much of a problem. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:54 AM
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No, but I don't feel like being questioned closely about things I don't really care about, and then being subjected to a series of diatribes on the concept of "entitlement."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 11:30 PM
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Women may watch even more porn than men. There is nothing, zero, zilch, in this article that supports this assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 10:04 PM
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There is so much that is factually wrong about this OP and many of the comments that I am literally speechless. HEY STEMTARDS: YOU ACTUALLY CANNOT MAKE UP YOUR OWN HISTORY AND HAVE IT BE "JUST AS VALID" AS ACTUAL HISTORY. IF YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO ACTUALLY DO A FUCKING GOOGLE SEARCH ON AVERAGE AGE AT MARRIAGE AT VARIOUS POINTS IN THE WEST, THEN DON'T WASTE OUR FUCKING TIME, YOU TOTALLY IGNORANT PIECES OF SHIT.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:24 PM
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This is not true in the West. 100 years ago, people were marrying in their mid-20s. In the antebellum South, the most common age for marriage was 20 - 26. The only time and place that people were getting married "as young as possible" were the noble families of what is now Italy, in the Middle Ages and Renaissance. Through the history of the entire West, non-royalty has chosen spouses from their peers, and has married in their mid-20s. This was nudged a bit down in the 1950s in the United States…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:21 PM
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What stereotype is this? The majority of people in first responder professions are male, and most members of the military are male, but what is this stereotype that Joe Sixpack will suddenly lay down his life for strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:18 PM
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I am mystified that everybody is eliding over this. He is saying that it was wrong then, that he deeply regrets it, and that it informs his current judgment of TRP as poison. He is saying that he shouldn't have done any of those things, ever ever ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:15 PM
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I am pretty sure I could steal you a car, as long as you are not picky about the car or the time frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:11 PM
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Compared to growing an actual human being, having a dude inside of your body for sex is absolutely 100% NBD. And I say that as someone whose N count anybody at PPD would regard as well within the limits of chaste.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 04:18 AM
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Meh, I'm agnostic on the dishes left on the counter or whatever. That part of the article wasn't as interesting to me as the explanation for why women can tell men "You have one year to seek help for your PTSD and if you don't, then I am out of here, because thirty years of this is enough" and men just hear "blah blah Ginger blah blah" and then are SHOCKED when their wife leaves. It's solipsism, and men are apparently just as good at rationalizing their lack of attention to this stuff as women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:00 AM
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Are you aware that any woman who receives GYN care and who has children has people inside her body fairly regularly and, dare I say it, nonchalantly? Are you aware that women grow children inside their actual bodies? I've had three people spend a lot more time inside my actual body than my husband ever has. Way more than that, if you count the miscarriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 02:13 AM
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MIGHT IT BE POSSIBLE that men treat other men differently than they treat women????? Just spitballing, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 10:40 PM
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Why would women do that in an OP asking them about THEIR OWN experiences with men? That is not the topic of this OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 10:36 PM
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This OP is about WOMEN'S experiences of sex that they wish MEN knew about. If you want to start talking about MEN'S experiences of sex that you wish WOMEN knew about, feel free to post your own OP. In the meantime, it is ridiculous to expect women to caveat their comments with "Now, women probably do this, too, but..."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 10:16 PM
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You literally made a pissy comment about women saying that they had experienced sex with men who got huffy when they were told that something didn't feel good, or that something would feel better if they made a slight change. If you had a different meaning, perhaps you could explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 10:15 PM
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Case in point, buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 09:57 PM
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"Just like that!" and he hears "GO HARDER!!!!!" No, bro. Don't go doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 09:55 PM
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Adjacent to that: if a woman says "just like that!" she means that you should keep doing that. I.e. maintain speed, tempo, friction, what have you. If you have to adjust because you have a Charlie horse or whatever, then that is obviously fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 09:46 PM
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This was one thing that I thought was so interesting about that piece that made the rounds two or three years ago: I think a lot of times, wives don’t agree with me. They don’t think it’s possible that their husbands don’t know how their actions make her feel because she has told him, sometimes with tears in her eyes, over and over and over and over again how upset it makes her and how much it hurts. And this is important: Telling a man something that doesn’t make sense to him once, or a million…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 07:50 PM
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Basically a man. I mean, look how short her hair is!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 07:40 PM
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I mean, you're not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 07:36 PM
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That's not what he says, though. Probably because it's no good for him if women listen to their own men, as opposed to "men" (including him) in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 06:47 PM
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Yeah, that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 06:04 PM
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"male authors writing female characters" meme is hilarious to women because it highlights the ridiculous ways we've spent our lives reading about the female body "She breasted boobily down the stairs." On a serious note, though, I remember when Tom Wolfe's book I Am Charlotte Simmons came out. Female reviewers absolutely eviscerated him for the way he voiced his narrator, a young woman. And Tom Wolfe is quite a few cuts above a lot of writers who have attempted this thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 04:25 PM
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Well, it is good for all men in general if "women" listen to "men." It is not good for all women in general if they listen to "men." It is good for one specific man if his woman listens to him, but not "men." It is not good for "men" if "women" don't listen to "men," but listen instead to their own specific man. An example is this guy telling "women" to have long hair. Generally, he is correct. Specifically, Mr. Abrams likes me to keep my hair bobbed. Guess whose preferences I actually give a fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 04:18 PM
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