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Yeah I'm sure she's totally strapped for cash when she gets $800/mo per kid for "child support"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 03:23 AM
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You are looking at this all in terms of what's right. If you want to better understand these strategies, then you need to do is look at it in terms of what's in people's own self interest. Both of these strategies you've described are in their practitioners' interest rather than any kind of moral goal. TRP generally puts itself forward as a tool; there is no morality to a hammer, and likewise there is no morality to knowing a particular strategy-- where morality comes into play depends on how yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 03:17 AM
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So if you leveled a criticism at RP that made it less misogynist or less religious, wouldn't that be a good outcome for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 11:25 PM
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What is your goal in being anti RP? Is it because you don't agree with certain parts of RP or are you just anti sexual strategy in general
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 11:10 PM
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I think they're more or less true But kinda heavy handed and not really funny They seem like they'd be written by and enjoyed by people I wouldn't want to associate with
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 09:43 PM
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that isn't how t works at all General social skills don't translate into the specific social skills used to pick up women. I've always had a good circle of friends, I've always had quality girlfriends, I've even had a few random ONS in youth, what I was not able to do until I actually set my mind to it was to consistently take girls home from bars for NSA sex. But once I did set my mind to it, I picked it up in a few months its laughable to me that you think guys who have game Father sons with g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 08:34 PM
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I agree with that, but there's no gene for most game, it's mostly learned skills. Most people that actually go out and try to learn it can pick it up in a matter of a few months. I'd compare it to learning the basics of a sport
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 07:10 PM
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This is not how genes work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:25 PM
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what you just said is if you're put into the NSA sex group, the girl you're fucking has judged you as not being good enough for what she values - a relationship. However this wasn't true. She had NSA sex with me, but she clearly did not judge me as not good enough for a relationship, because she got into a relationship with me later
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 04:22 PM
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Not my experience at all, most women that I've had casual sex with have wanted a more meaningful relationship. Also I've had relationships that started out as NSA sex, my current girlfriend started this way and to hear her tell it, its a very romantic story
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 04:17 PM
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This thread is bullshit, I don't believe women have sex with dudes to insult them, you're way off base here
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 03:32 PM
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It's not really an insult to the guy though. He isn't going to care if she thinks it's insulting
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 03:18 PM
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That makes no sense I can't even unwrap how a woman could insult me by "using me" for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 02:24 PM
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That's exactly why I think something is up! How can you not have any idea of people in your social circles that find you attractive? It was a very strange thread imo
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 08:08 PM
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I really don't want to know her actual number, what matters to me is more how she acts and what her life experiences are like. ideally her experience is comparable to mine, but she's a little more innocent than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 07:13 PM
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I still don't believe they're actually doing the work, the way people are wired is that if you expose yourself to all that social pressure, it will have the effect of socializing you and making you fit in
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 07:08 PM
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I just don't understand how you could go out and approach approach approach and not get any better. like why would you not try to pinpoint strengths and weaknesses and work on them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 06:51 PM
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Yeah I'm being kind of snarky, but there's something to what I'm saying. The post last week basically asked people in relationships if they knew of people who were attracted to them, and everyone trotted out their "my goodness I'd never even consider such a thing" BS I don't believe people are generally running around so unaware of their social surroundings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 06:22 PM
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My prediction is that every woman here has no idea what you're talking about and they'd never even entertain such an idea, and then when they end up dating Mr. Backup, well "it just happened"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 05:29 PM
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I've been in a few fights, some for good reason some not so much. It really blew my mind when I got to college and all these dudes were saying they've never been in a fight
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 05:19 PM
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N count matters very little to men, so long as it isn't obscene. I have never looked at a hot girl and somehow decided she wasn't attractive because maybe she had a high N.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 04:37 PM
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I agree, and for me cold approach did a lot to improve social skills and expand social circles. I met SO MANY people and made a lot of friends when I was going out 4-5 nights a week. I really don't see how you could go out that much and not (1) meet a bunch of people and (2) become more socialized
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 03:00 PM
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I think a lot of them believe they're doing the right thing. They want to be good people and that's how they think they do it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 02:26 AM
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When I learned this stuff (~2012) the guys who were teaching me called it pickup, but they were solidly against routines or canned material, my impression was that lots of people were also calling it pickup the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 02:18 AM
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Yup it's a bunch of systemizations of flirting If you watch me flirt with a girl, I do lots of qualification, kino, rapport, comfort building, push-pull, non-canned conversation, commands, as well as stuff like teases, fake disqualifications, cold reads, intentional drama spiking, but I don't consciously think of it like any of this, I just do what comes naturally, say funny things when they pop into my head, touch her when it feels appropriate, and keep the conversation about us in the here and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 02:16 AM
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Because it doesn't make sense that guys have some weird ulterior motive to getting laid. Wanting to get laid explains it fine by itself
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 01:36 AM
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I have no idea, frankly I think it is much better to call it flirting or social skills, there's less negative connotations that way
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 01:09 AM
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I think that's what PUA was like ~2005 or so, like with routines and magic tricks and that sort of thing. By the time I got into pickup ~2012 everyone was making fun of routines and basically teaching social skills and flirting I agree with your description of these things tho, I just don't think anyone is doing that kinda of PUA anymore. Are they?!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 12:05 AM
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Right, in my mind , "pickup art", game, social skills, and flirting are all roughly the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 11:54 PM
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What's your idea of pua My understanding of it is that it's basically just an edgy name for flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 11:48 PM
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Women already know that 99% of guys are picking up in good faith, acting like it's sinister is a power game
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 10:58 PM
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It is really great. It opens up a lot of places that would be inaccessible otherwise. And there's something great about getting off the grid like that, it definitely helps clear the mind a bit. There's so many distractions in our modern world, it's nice to break that cycle even for a few days.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 09:17 PM
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I don't really understand the distinction, most men do not have a period where they aren't "seeking" sex. They've always got an eye out
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 09:14 PM
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Sounds about right. I would say that at a party the vast majority of people will be drinking, but most do not get totally wasted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 08:29 PM
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Both , it depends on context
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 08:23 PM
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It's awesome and I can't recommend it enough. I actually do a lot locally to try and get people out in nature, it's really cool to show people this stuff when they have no idea it's right in our backyard
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 06:28 PM
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I get this a lot at work. I'd never get involved with a coworker again tho, too much drama
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:28 PM
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Conditioning season is here. I loaded up my pack and hiked about 10 miles yesterday. I'm a little achy today, but I've gotta get used to it, I'm trying to do a 5-day backpacking trip this summer, over 50 miles through the mountains.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:03 PM
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It's the same for me, I'm 32 now and I feel like I'm at my most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 04:59 PM
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6 months is where it really starts fucking with your head, that's what kicked off my conscious choice to go out and learn "game". Before that I'd always just found partners by chance, after that I wasn't willing to leave it to chance any more
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 04:43 PM
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I think that they can, it's just that those types of women are outliers and not really worth paying attention to. If you're still at the point where you're trying to figure out the basics of how attraction works, then you don't need to complicate things chasing women like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 04:00 PM
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Do you have any kind of mental illness or physical deformity? Like I said, it's hard for me to believe that people are doing this stuff consistently and getting absolutely zero results, the biggest part of this that gets people laid isn't the improved social skills, it's the not giving a fuck about taking millions of rejections and consistent approaching. If you are approaching consistently and getting no results I'd say there's something wrong with the approaches or with you, maybe it's a bad v…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 03:50 PM
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2-3 a day is pretty minimal if you're doing t for the purpose of trying to learn social skills. It's really the consistency that's more important When I was working on this area I rarely did daytime approaches because my life doesn't really lend itself to that, I did approaches at bars and did 5-10 per night 4-5 nights a week. The point is to just get so comfortable with it that it's not a big deal, like you're just introducing yourself and saying hey, a good pickup doesn't look like a pickup at…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 03:42 PM
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yeah to be fair I've never read the incel subreddit, only the incel posting here on ppd I've known some in real life but they were normal-ish dudes and we never used the word "incel"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 06:12 AM
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yeah I guess if I had no options I'd look at lots of things differently, thirst will do crazy things to you. I don't believe many people understand how much a few months of thirst can screw you up
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 06:09 AM
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Yup I agree some people have to work much harder for it , but at the end of the day the basic process is the same (1) approach (2) improve social skills aka game (3) improve physical appearance I do believe that you can do all that and still have a tough time, but I think if you do all that consistently and for an extended period of time (6-12 months) it will create deep personality changes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 05:58 AM
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Frankly I don't believe it when most incels say they are doing all that, I find it very hard to believe anyone is consistently doing 2-3 approaches a day and not getting any bites or improving their approaches
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 01:30 AM
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My general view towards incels is that they're pitiful people, I feel sorry for them. If you know me you'd know that me feeing sorry for you is a pretty bad place to be -- it's basically reserved for people who are "out of the game" so to speak. But lots of people seem to respond differently to incels-- they treat them as if (1) they're definitely not out of the game and (2) they're terrible people. Seriously, "incels are awful people" seems to be the most common response whenever I see them dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 01:29 AM
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I want robust offspring that will survive hardships , I'm not going to intentionally select a weak partner that requires medical intervention to live a normal life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 08:29 PM
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It is a major genetic defect, how can it possibly not be healthier to not have the defect
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 08:18 PM
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No All things equal I'd always choose a healthier partner over an unhealthy one
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 07:45 PM
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lol yeah I was being a little judgmental there
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 04:38 PM
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I think single motherhood is a big thing that stops a lot of men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 04:38 PM
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She said ENFPs get the most women, I don't think that's the case, I think stereotypical chads get the most women, it's a combination of a personality type that women like and the type of guy who likes to chase ass Edit -- on second thought, i can sorta see what you're saying, I just tend to think of N types as generally being kind of weird and not having the same massive social exposure that S types do
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 07:57 PM
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I disagree, I think it's pretty easy to find a woman if you're looking for a serious relationship and not casual sex. Now I think it's a bad idea to get into a relationship with a girl who wouldn't bang you casually, but that's a different issue, and really it's more of "best practices" than anything
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:49 PM
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The stereotypical Chad is absolutely a T type, just not an NT type. The difference in the T is the way it'll turn out for someone who is an xNTx type vs someone who is like a ESTJ type, the NT goes off on nerdy rampages , the ESTJ guy just thinks about normal shit that regular dudes can relate to, like sports or guns or fishing. Keep in mind that the vast majority of guys are T types, really any male archetype other than an artist is likely a T type. I would agree that an NF type guy is going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:40 PM
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Do you really believe that ALL women are out slutting it up and only focusing on Chads? It seems to me that there are plenty of family oriented women to choose from, even back in high school there were women looking to start a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:28 PM
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I lived in the south for a while and it wasn't too bad (I'm Hispanic, I look like an Italian or Spanish man if that gives you a frame of reference). I did get a lot of "what are you" tho In my experience life in a southern city was fine but as soon as you got outside the cities things got nasty real quick
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:20 PM
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LOL well I'm not saying that women are helping with their cryptic communication about what attracts them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 05:54 PM
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Honestly now that I read this part, it sounds more like you're just worrying too much LOL. It sounds like you're on track with a solid plan Ever considered moving away from the big city? I don't know why "the Midwest" is your go to on that, there are cool and cheap southern cities for example with homes for MUCH less than $700k
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 05:38 PM
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Worried about not making enough money? Keep doing education, become an RN. Get some kind of side hustle if you gotta. Can't meet men at work? Meet them in other places, join a bowing league, a hiking club, get on dating apps, become a regular at a cool bar Don't have enough time? You'd be surprised, buy a book on time management skills, take a hard look at what you're spending your time on, consider moving somewhere with less commute, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 05:21 PM
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Men who fall into that trap are disgusting pieces of crap, my grandfathers grew up in a world where they would literally die if they did not work their asses off, where their siblings and children did die because the world was a cruel and unforgiving place that ACTUALLY WAS working to ensure their death and failure, they were hard working men who did not give in to despair or nihilism; they just kept working. Now some dude thinks he won't have his dream job or he can't bang enough girls so he pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 05:14 PM
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this sounds like a "woe is me" type rant, literally everything you're saying is a problem has a very obvious solution, are you just venting here or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 05:08 PM
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LOL true, it takes a certain kind of person to take pictures of themselves all oiled up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 03:17 PM
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Why you gotta hate on oil? It feels so good
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 03:05 PM
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It's basic solipsism , these men are looking at what they find attractive and trying to be it, they aren't looking for what women find attractive, and they don't even know there's a difference
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 02:43 PM
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Im thinking of my girlfriend for these-- she's artsy/crafty in a particularly feminine way she is good at caring for things, she really goes out of her way to help hurt and broken things She has a gentle and soft way about her that is distinctly feminine There's a certain way that she's playful and evasive , it's like her thoughts and emotions are all over the place, this one has a lighter side where it's fun and it's a positive energy, it also has a darker side where it can make her unreliable …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 02:29 PM
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You are only presenting the dark side of femininity, there's more to it than that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 02:45 AM
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It is a balance; I love the light sides of a woman's femininity but sometimes it's a challenge to deal with the dark sides. I'm sure many women think the same about dealing with masculinity tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 02:45 AM
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Totally disagree, the "intelligent" dudes from grad school are hands down less masculine than my redneck buddies. Not androgynous but definitely less masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 02:23 AM
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Yeah I thought that ENFP comment was kinda strange Typical bro chads are not N types, they're like ESTP or ESTJ
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 02:09 AM
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Even if someone "detects" PUA strategies , as long as you're not doing it in a super cringe way you're good. Those things are strategies because they're effective ways to interact with people socially
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 01:56 AM
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Maybe you're just miscalibrated as to what's beautiful
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 01:50 AM
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I always had a lot of fun doing "fake disqualifications," like giving her a bunch of reasons why I'm terrible for her, and then letter her argue with me. And it's true what you said about being fun -- you get away with a lot when it's all in good fun
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 01:44 AM
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LOL if I'm laying on my back looking up at the camera, god just shoot me now. I cringe so hard when I see dudes post those pics
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 01:39 AM
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Yup, this exactly Also you have to accept that in the learning process you will at some point cross boundaries, make people a little uncomfortable, etc, these are mistakes and they happen, it's part of learning
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 09:12 PM
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In my experience the entire college atmosphere was dominated by feminist attitudes and thought, even if the administrators were not feminists themselves they were operating in a framework dominated by feminists and they acted accordingly It's really night and day now that I'm in the business world, nobody here cares about any of that I'll admit that some universities may not have had that culture but at two large state universities that I attended it was definitely that way
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 06:05 PM
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lol what I've run the numbers, with two kids we'd have more money with her staying home and making crafts for sale on a part time basis than with her out working full time and paying for child care. It's a no-brainer type decision
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 05:45 PM
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TBH I haven't read much of the website but what I did see they were talking shit about guys that were basically models
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 10:50 PM
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I just looked at their idea of what a 5 is and it's like a male model. Apparently I'm like a 2 I'm 5'10, small frame 160. Olive-skinned Southern European complexion. Full head of hair
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 10:48 PM
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How do you propose and get a no? You're only supposed to ask if you already know the answer is yes, you aren't supposed to literally "ask her" when you propose
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 10:17 PM
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I think it's a stupid standard to compare yourself to, no the average guy will not go out and bang models but he can get a good sex life-- like probably a rotation of 7s if he wants that, or a good LTR girlfriend if he goes in that direction
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 03:44 PM
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It's a stupid theory, I've watched my own sex life go from "okay, unreliable, sporadic" to "I didn't know it could be this good" just by learning how to spit game in bars and how to have a cool/fun tinder profile. Anybody who thinks game/social skills won't get you laid is a retard I'm like 5/10 facial looks , according to lookism I should never get laid ever
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 03:39 PM
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It seems like it's the major thrust of the question; it seemed that way to me before the edit too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 02:20 PM
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Like I said, you can't just "put your child up for adoption," I will take my experience over a random adoption website. It is a crooked industry and I'm sure some of the private foster/adopt agencies would tell people anything before handing them a contract that said something completely different Maybe you could use one of those agencies to help you find a family who will agree to take the children into foster care, as I referenced earlier. What you cannot do is just abandon your children at th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 02:22 AM
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Yup I sure do. I've seen this exact petition filed. These are not criminal charges, it is a civil proceeding
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 01:37 AM
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Yup, what you are describing would be filed as neglect in my jurisdiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 01:16 AM
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Yeah I figured we'd have a few people here with personal experience on this-- it is particularly helpful to see your perceptions here, and how they line up against people who are basing this on some kind of general background (non-personal) knowledge. There's a lot of broscience in this area -- do you have any kind of reliable way to weed that out?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:07 PM
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My point in making this thread is also to determine how similarly people are using the phrase here at PPD , or if we are talking over each other's heads
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:34 PM
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Where did I say that only babies could be put up for adoption? Quote me so I can see what you're reading to mean that How do you "put a child up for adoption"? Where do you take it? Who do you give it to? Based on your post I'm inferring that you think you can just leave it at the social services agency, if you do that in my jurisdiction, it's neglect
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 03:21 PM
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right, like I said I don't think it's terribly controversial advice, you will get people arguing over what "party moderately" means though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 04:39 AM
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Frankly, you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. How do you think the child gets into the foster care system?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 04:37 AM
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I don't identify as red pill anywhere other than PPD, I think the whole red pill imagery is kinda lame tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 03:41 AM
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Maybe in your jurisdiction, where I'm at, you have to find someone willing to care for the child Edit: how does it work there -- where do you take the child and who do you leave it with?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 02:23 AM
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Running%20A%20Train
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 01:58 AM
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(1) it's gonna depend a lot on how you define "shaming," if you just mean like playful shittalking then I'm gonna disagree, everyone does that. (2) anything more serious I really only saw at the extremes, like a girl who had multiple trains run on her (3) probably lots of regional differences on this one, I can't imagine that extremely religious areas are very slut tolerant
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 01:48 AM
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You can't just "put a baby up for adoption" after the time passes, that is neglect/abandonment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 01:36 AM
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This is based on experiences related to me by people working in the system. I agree if the baby was severely damaged it would be difficult to place, but a plain ol drug baby is pretty run of the mill tbh It is a baby in the context of this discussion because the premise is "women ultimately have a choice whether to keep a child, because they can adopt or abort." In my jurisdiction safe surrender is only allowed for a couple weeks after the birth, if you abandon the child after that it is neglect
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 12:49 AM
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False, even black infants are easy to adopt out. Even with drug damage. There is high demand for babies And in the context of the discussion here, it is a baby, it is being discussed it as an alternative to abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/17 11:57 PM
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Probably the closest claim that RP actually makes, to what you're saying it makes, is this: all things equal, low-moderate N count is better than high N-count Put in the terms of your post, all things equal I'd prefer a woman who partied moderately to some girl who went whole hog on blackout drinking and getting trains run on her. This is hardly controversial except to crazy fringe types
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/17 11:40 PM
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False, safely surrendered babies always go quickly, it is extremely easy to find adoptive parents for an infant
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/17 05:44 PM
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Sweet. Have fun !
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 10:27 PM
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😳 250 dang!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 10:08 PM
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Looks interesting, I don't think I've ever seen that before.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:57 PM
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That makes sense. A lot of guys do the opposite, they take the shaming seriously and try to prove themselves , which is like a no-win strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:43 PM
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What's that on the bottom? Molly?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:37 PM
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What is the pizza style like in India? Are you expat westerner or Indian? Over here, the pizza comes in three main styles I can think of-- Flatbread-like, thin crust, wood fired oven. This is trendy lately, also my favorite. Closest to what you'd get in Italy pic deep dish. Like a Chicago style pizza. Like a cheese pie. Good but gluttonous. example NY style -- thin-ish crust, but still doughy. This is the most popular from pizza chains and non-hipster pizza venues Toppings are usually tomato sau…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:36 PM
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Yeah I mean it makes sense from a girls perspective, I think it's a good strategy for them, but on their own end I think guys would be wise to ignore any kind of "you only want sex" type shaming
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:30 PM
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Yeah, that's pretty much my view of it as well, took some growing up to be able to get this kind of perspective on it tho
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:25 PM
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It seems like the big fear for a lot of women is that the opposite will happen -- that some guy and her hit it off initially, and he'll like her based on early impressions of her personality, but then he'll get to know her a little better and find some big turnoff Then lots of women will say "he was only interested in sex," but the reality isn't so sinister: he was interested in her, he just didn't like her as much once he got to know her better
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:07 PM
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Tell that to all the hoes on Snapchat LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:00 PM
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That's overinclusive imo Sorta confirms something I've long suspected, that women believe more guys "just want sex" than really is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 05:56 PM
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Wow that's dark. Yeah I'm not a gamer at all so I'm not really in tune with that world, I guess that would explain why women from that world seem to keep a boundary around themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 04:58 PM
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Do men really do that? I try to avoid comparing myself to others because it's not the healthiest thing, but I have a sense for how I've fared whenever I've been in competition with others, where my strengths and weaknesses are compared to others. I would really be shocked if nobody else was aware of this
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 04:51 PM
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How does a woman tell the difference between "just wants to fuck me" and "genuine interest"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 04:48 PM
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My interactions with female gamers are definitely clouded by how much attention they get though, a lot of them give off this suspicious and accusatory vibe I don't want to deal with that negativity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 04:44 PM
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I agree to an extent, but my relationship with casual sex is much different now that I've had it and know how to get it, I'm in a more relaxed place with it than when I first figured it out
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 04:16 PM
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Yup those are better examples I don't think it's really a "fear of being seen as gay" , im not big on reading that much into people's thoughts, when there's a simpler explanation of being uncomfortable with being in a submissive position. Frankly I don't understand how anyone can get penetrated and like it, the thought is absolutely repulsive to me personally
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 04:11 PM
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I'm trying to use examples without getting too personal, I'm sure you get the idea tho My problem with graphic examples is that it goes 0-100 real fast depending on people's personal tastes I agree, "girl on top" doesn't require any real submission or dominance, really just a non-graphic example
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 03:45 PM
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Yeah something that is discussed here a lot is women's "dominance threshold", I think men have a threshold too, there is a point where a guy will be comfortable up to but he can't go past, (for example) a guy might be okay with a girl on top but being actually tied down would be too much and he'd nope out of it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 06:17 PM
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LOL so open minded in your mind means "willing to sub" The reason I don't sub isn't because I'm judgmental about it, it's because it makes me feel icky inside
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 06:13 PM
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This is exactly the problem, I don't really have an opinion on this issue but th left pushes me away with its "Islam can do no wrong, crazy white dudes are the real terrorists" rhetoric. I don't understand why it can't be both and I'm suspicious of their unquestioning defense of Islam
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 04:29 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 04:18 PM
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Yeah, it's a cad "answer"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 03:13 AM
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I guess it depends on what you want out of your life right now. If you're at a place where you're just being a cad and screwing around, I'd recommend not taking a question like that seriously. You should blow it off, and say something like, "is that a serious question?" Or maybe you might go a more serious route and say something like, "babe, don't ask for something you know I can't give." If you're ready to get into a relationship and she's relationship material, I guess you'd respond much diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 02:14 AM
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Plate spinning generally refers to a relationship without defined commitment. The plates don't explicitly know you have other girls, and they also don't have any commitment from you or any explicit reason to believe that your relationship is exclusive. Ideally you are also not leading them on, meaning that based in the way you act they should be able to put 2 and 2 together and see that you have other women in your life, and you're not conducting yourself like a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 12:36 AM
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why are you treating men as a collective? inventors, explorers, farmers, builders, hunters, soldiers, police, etc, they're all overwhelmingly male. The male efforts give rise to most of the order we see in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 11:57 PM
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Lots of intellectual people would be well served to pay more attention to their feelings, not in the sense of emotions, but in the sense of how deeply you can "feel" the world around you. you have to shut off thought and judgment and just be present as a first step This is personal for me, I'm one of the aforementioned over-intellectual people, I'm recovering tho LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 01:42 AM
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Prissy isn't just lack of humility, it's also stuff like always needing to be made up, not wanting to get dirty, not wanting to work with her hands, etc Similarly, academics problems isn't lack of humility, it's being too in their head; they get too caught up in all their intellectual bullshit and they get disconnected from our physical selves
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 10:16 PM
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Yeah I'm dating an artist, I've spent some time in that world and agree it's like two camps, half of them are pretentious idiots but the other half are grounded, they're good compliments for overly logical people like myself
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 09:37 PM
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In my experience before I ever have sex with any woman, I have to create a situation that is conducive to us having sex, generally it's on me to bring out her flirty and sexual side enough that banging just naturally flows from there. The idea that a girl is too nice, too sweet, too family oriented, too comforting, etc, too much of any of that for me to see as sexual, it's completely foreign to me and I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 09:10 PM
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Accomplished artist , no question about it , it's far and away the most attractive of those in terms of what kind of personality matches up to the job Model will likely be a prissy bitch, academics are too in their heads, career women are slave drivers, and the last woman just sounds like she has nothing going for her. If it's just an ONS who cares
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:27 PM
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I don't see a difference between what you're explaining and being unattractive. If she's physically attractive that's all I need
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 07:57 PM
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I can't relate to what you are saying, I can think of stereotypical good girls but I know they're sexual beings deep down, they just have this weird non-sexual front that they put up, I've watched it melt away a bunch of times, imo that is one of the most fun parts of the chase
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 07:05 PM
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In my experience most men will chase good girls and bad girls alike in their youth, the attractive good girl types that I knew in high school had no lack of male attention
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 05:33 PM
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I don't understand how this is a "complex" or some kind of male dualistic strategy. It seems like just recognizing different traits. It's not like men chase whores in youth and good girls later in life
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 05:19 PM
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Outrage porn? I have feminist friends and they post this shit all the time on Facebook, considerably more than they post real issues
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 04:59 PM
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reproductive rights rape crisis at colleges mansplaining man spreading video games fat acceptance
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 04:58 PM
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the whole concept of the madonna-whore complex does not make sense to me , I don't even know where to start with it. I don't think men have a dualistic mating strategy, our strategy is more or less polygamy. I'd bang the madonnas and the whores I'll add that almost all discussions of madonna-whore I've ever seen are by feminists who have very very little insight into how the male mind works, it's generally a big solipsistic circlejerk
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 04:49 PM
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it appears that you're starting with a conclusion, then trying to reason your way towards it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 03:22 PM
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These are just mental models, nobody fits any of them perfectly
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 03:18 PM
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Yeah, the bumpy ones are one kind. This one is made for use in the field so it uses lines to show the elevation. It's pretty neat, it's waterproof and made of a thick, sturdy paper The top of this page has an example: https://www.usgs.gov/products/maps/topo-maps
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 03:05 PM
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What I like is a woman who can do it all. Look natural, a whore, a wife, whatever the situation calls for
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 09:21 PM
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You say this; but I've had girlfriends, I've seen them after a couple days of travel or a bad bender, women aren't secretly applying makeup at all times
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:20 PM
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You're wrong; I'm like 5/10 and I kill it on tinder, you have to present a cool and fun image
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 05:46 AM
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I didn't take it as actively cultivating relationships, I think basically if you're a social person you probably meet lots of people and you will have some idea of which ones are into you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 05:34 AM
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Male Yeah I mean I know there are girls who would , it's not like I'm keeping them on speed dial or anything. They are not great choices for a relationship but I'm sure we could have a fun time together on a short term basis, most women seem to enjoy coming into my world a bit and seeing what I'm about. I'm not going to describe all of them, there's a few who fit the bill. These aren't the girls I'd want to be with long term, imo it's a good strategy for a man to spin plates while he waits for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 05:20 AM
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You are losing the forest for the trees I'll explain - in general I like to be better at "manly stuff" in the relationship but at the same time I don't mind a girl who is good at it, even maybe better at it in some areas than me, that's not a big deal but it is a deal breaker if she ever acts too "bro" about it, too "in my face" about it At the same time; when I act that same way with my male friends, I enjoy it and it think it's fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:24 AM
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Not generally, it is a specific thing: my friends and I give each other shit in a fun, brotherly-like way
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:21 AM
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Yeah! I agree about taste in media, it's such a superficial thing I always wonder why people make such a big deal of it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:19 AM
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No I mean if she "wins", she should win gracefully Like not be a dick about it, or be overly masculine about it, i can handle losing now and then, but it's a turn off if she acts too much like a bro in the process
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:16 AM
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STDs are so rare , imo people in Reddit over exaggerate the probability of that happening
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:43 AM
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Is this a q4w? If I said mine, I feel like half the guys here would say "gross," and half would say "uh how is that negative?" Anyway, I like spiritual, hippie, festival girl types, artsy, in general a girl who is okay getting dirty, handling animals, telling me about her chakras, being covered in paint--- she's my kinda girl Also I'm okay with girls who can work with their hands, can handle a gun, can be logical, none of that is really a turn off to me so long as I'm generally better at it than…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 01:10 AM
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For guys who are seriously into banging new girls , one per week isn't exactly extreme I have some friends who basically travel all the time and work freelance jobs, they hit the clubs in a new city for a few weeks and move on, they've been doing this for years and I'd really be surprised if they didnt have 1000 lays
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 01:01 AM
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I agree with OP, but I would add that nobody wants to be with a stereotypical HUGE SLUT especially if that involves meth, if she does too much meth she probably is going to end up in a bad place
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:11 PM
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If you talk to men outside the manosphere, I feel like the general consensus is "Not as many sexual partners as I have." In fact, none of my male friends even want to know how many partners someone has had, they don't ask. "Normie" guys who maybe don't need as much help with women seem to only balk at a woman with a truly outrageous sexual past, and I think women are very much the same way about men. this reflects my experience and viewpoint as well
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:02 PM
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LOL oh yeah, kids. Consider my view partly changed. Its strange, I have some sort of mental disconnect about cheating resulting in kids, not sure why that happens but I've never had any close friends accidentally get anyone pregnant that didn't abort it, birth control (and abortion) has always been assumed in my reality
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 06:24 PM
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Haha, yeah that's fair, but women really don't have the same concerns due to paternity, I don't think it's a concern than a woman can really ever understand on that gut level. Like what risk does she have if her man cheats? Some marginal loss of provisioning maybe , pales in comparison imo
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 06:05 PM
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I don't think it's the same way for men, I think men feel differently about it, likely tracing back to evolutionary concerns about paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:55 PM
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We've talked about this before, I'm squarely in the "hypergamy is a form of monogamy" camp, because I know what women are like in the "I only have eyes for you" mentality and it's a distinctly female thing imo I think a lot of the "hypergamous cheating bitches" side of RP is omegas with weird Chad fantasies , or more generously they don't know how attraction works in the real world and they just imagine walking up to a girl and getting her
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:50 PM
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How do you define daddy issues
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:45 PM
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Where does RP say it's in women's nature to cheat If anything women are more monogamous than men are, i.e. hypergamy vs polygamy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:30 PM
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It's not a big deal, as long as he still loves his wife and she is his priority, who cares If he lets himself fall in love with the other woman tho, it's a sign that he's weak and hasn't mastered himself
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:20 PM
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He should immerse himself in social situations where he will get harsh feedback from people who do not give a fuck about him, deal with the heartache and sleepless nights that will ensue, and hopefully in a couple years he will emerge a stronger, more socially adjusted man
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:18 PM
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What feminists say or what they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:10 PM
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Softer societies are happier until they're conquered by harder societies, once they are defeated they are in a world of hurt
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:08 PM
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I'm the same way, but my threshold is pretty low, I can bond with someone over 1-2 drinks and some flirting and I'm good
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 04:53 PM
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I prefer a woman who (1) is really into me and (2) will make a decision to put some "skin in the game" with me within a few hours of meeting me When I've dated girls who want to wait longer, it always feels like game playing and box checking , it feels like we're both ready but we have to satisfy an arbitrary rule
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 04:44 PM
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Tinder or bars imo Okcupid draws a weird demographic
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 04:42 PM
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Hamster overdrive
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 04:29 PM
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Yeah likely so for me too
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:57 PM
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defined how?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:33 PM
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I disagree with the whole premise, I don't think I'm particularly nice and I don't think other people are particularly awful. My view is that the vast majority are highly self interested but motivated towards being seen as selfless
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:28 PM
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Bought a new topo map this weekend Tonight I've been nerding out on it. Love it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 05:43 AM
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I acknowledge it, but I don't care , like I said it isn't useful knowledge Look are you familiar with the notion of holding two contradictory beliefs at the same time? You can see how that could be useful right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:59 AM
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Right sometimes its a good strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:50 AM
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OP asked why I ignore certain data I explained that I ignore it because it isn't useful to me, and believing in it would do nothing but hold me back. What good are limiting beliefs? Even if true, I'm better off not believing them Can you honestly not understand that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:43 AM
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But most RP guys don't really care about how the world works except as a means to an end
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:38 AM
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I'm all that's relevant to me, I'm not in this to learn about dating trends in general, I'm in it for me , the info is only useful as far as I can apply it to my life
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 03:37 AM
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Why do I need data What purpose does it serve me
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 02:42 AM
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I've had no problem dating women in their early 20s (I'm 32), and I'm doing better with women of that age than I was 10 years ago. So why would I need a study to tell me what age of men women will date? I don't really care what that study says anyway , my life is good enough proof for me
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 12:29 AM
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yeah, that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:47 PM
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Do people here not see culture or what
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:29 PM
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Maybe in cities? In my world, self-made types are mostly working class
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:27 PM
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Are you American?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 05:52 PM
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Yeah that's my view on status too--it's more of an RMV thing. I've only ever gotten casual sex by being an over the top fun person in a party type scene. It's completely divorced from status I don't want casua sex from status, I want it bc I'm fun and attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 05:44 PM
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I'll give an example of a job I had where I thought it was pretty mundane, but people actually came up to me and "recognized me", and generally treated me well because of the status--I was an editor and writer for a small local arts and entertainment publication. To me it was just a job but lots of people who didn't work there gave me this weird preselection because of it. I don't think they were treating me as "high status" per se, but they were treating me better than a random nobody. There ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 05:38 PM
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I'm not claiming men , particularly men who are asking for dating advice, are great communicators
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 05:43 PM
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Better communicators Speaks in riddles Pick one
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 04:55 PM
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LOL I thought you meant like "no more than 5 abortions"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 04:50 AM
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A woman who puts me first and herself second Qualities that I look for are: adventurous, low drama, commitment minded, artistic/crafty, smart
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/17 05:06 PM
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No sorry I don't, this is just something I vaguely recall from several years back when I had a pickup phase. I'll explain it briefly myself rather than link a random PUA site of unknown quality Qualification is basically figuring out what you like in women, and then judging women according to your own standards. So if I like artistic women, I might compliment girls who demonstrate that quality in some way. Likewise if a girl demonstrates that she is particularly lacking in an area that matters t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 11:30 PM
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Yes, this is the theory behind the game concept called "qualification"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 11:05 PM
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I feel weird saying friend for people who aren't like my closest friends
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 06:39 PM
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I have close female acquaintances but not "friends," I guess it really depends how strictly you use those terms. People I'd drink with or go hiking with for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 01:23 AM
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I think by top 20% they mean "top 20% ranked by casual sex, hookups and ONS" not "top 20% ranked by cool apartment and good looks"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 11:31 PM
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Interesting, I'll look into those beef necks
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 06:20 PM
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This is something I often have to remember: just act already, it doesn't have to be perfect. And in fact if you are too polished lots of women will actually be turned off by that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 06:11 PM
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Yeah definitely! I haven't gotten into anything super weird yet , but I plan to get there -- oxtail stew maybe? Have you found any of the cheaper cuts that you liked?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 06:09 PM
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Yeah, it blows my mind how many people will go to everyday drugs as a remedy when they haven't even got their physical health locked down, it's a magic pill mentality imo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 06:06 PM
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It's mostly for her, I do enjoy it a bit because it's fun but mostly everything I do in a pickup is for her--there's two sides of it, one is things like "let's go back to my house for coffee", everybody knows it's not about the coffee but socially it's better to make little excuses like that, the second is that it creates sexual tension when there is a little bit of mystery in your actions and she has to figure out "is this sexual or nah?" Obviously there's a balance here; if it's too friendly, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 05:51 PM
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Would not recommend, basically in my experience therapists just want to vaguely talk about your problems and address them in an extremely indirect and time consuming way, while sucking down time and money that would be better spent on more direct solutions I guess if you have serious mental health issues it's a different story but can you really even say you have mental health problems if you've never had your physical health (including diet and exercise) on point
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 05:38 PM
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Get her having a fun time, caught up in the moment, do lots of things that suggest interest in a plausibly deniable way, tease her, make jokes and conversation that are particular to the present moment and the situation that the two of you are in, escalate touch, move her around, give her safe and friendly excuses/rationalizations to do unsafe and sexual things
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 05:27 PM
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Yeah you're right, after reading yours and other responses in the thread here I can see it as a reasonable thing, I was imagining an overly specific scenario when I wrote this I'd still hold out that there are some cases where it is unreasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 03:11 PM
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this may surprise you but girls say all kinds of shit they don't actually mean
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 03:09 PM
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I mean that's part of why it seems like an odd request now that I think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 03:06 PM
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hmm okay maybe so, I think some of the responses here have convinced
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 03:05 PM
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It just seems like most bathrooms have a little ledge you can set your drink on, or the sink or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 03:03 PM
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I more or less just treat her requests the same as if I were making them of her, if it's something I'd never ask of others, I'll probably be offended if she expects me to do it for her It really doesn't require a ton of analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 07:14 AM
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how on earth is it not offensive to ask some one to hold your drink while you go pee? I can't imagine any situation where I can't handle that myself and I actually need someone to do it for me That said, if it's a husband, i mean you expect to ask a husband a lot more than some dude you met 20 minutes ago at your local dive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 07:11 AM
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Why would anyone need their drink held while they went to the bathroom Maybe if they're handicapped or something
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 07:07 AM
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I think it stems from guys' more competitive nature , if someone says that about us we want to prove them wrong, so to speak
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 06:25 PM
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Women conflate the concepts because it is in their interest to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:49 PM
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No that thought process sounds foreign to me If I'm approval seeking and attraction seeking those are different things. I wouldn't care about the attraction of an ugly woman, I still might like her approval tho
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:47 PM
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Why do you think it's a good idea to conflate attraction and approval into one concept? Seems like it reduces the quality of debate imo
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:18 PM
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I've read that men tend to respond more positively to "you're such a fuck up, you piece of shit" type motivation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:09 PM
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Is this article fat shaming these girls? It's so over the top I almost can't tell
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 03:08 PM
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That's exactly the part I found so interesting, I for the life of me could not understand why other people didn't want to talk about it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 10:24 PM
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I was the annoying kid asking about it in science class and wondering why other people didn't find it fascinating
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 09:48 PM
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Yeah, kinda crazy to think about the fact that many people refuse to see themselves as animals , it seems that in general people don't like self awareness or analyzing everything
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 09:38 PM
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Do you think women are being disingenuous when they make these sort of recommendations to struggling men? just not particularly self aware?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 09:04 PM
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When I went through this it became like tunnel vision, after a few months as I became more desperate it was like the only thing I could focus on or think about, it consumed me. So of course that meant I would often redirect conversations to being about my situation, I was looking for help everywhere I could reasonably ask (and pushing that boundary too), I was needy. Friendship wasnt the solution like I said, I was not lonely in a friendship sort of way, I was lonely for sexual intimacy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 08:34 PM
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This seems to be a big area of difference between th sexes, I don't understand how talking to friends meets the same need as sex, I wouldn't even put those things in the same ballpark, they are completely different. Yet women seem to often respond to male claims of suffering from loneliness by saying things like "you just need friends"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 08:31 PM
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to an extent , men don't want to be beta bucks as it is a less than ideal option, but it still is lots of guys best option and they'd prefer it to nothing at all (80% of men, so to speak) Also being BB in a BB paradigm really isn't so bad; it's being BB in the modern dating paradigm that is awful, I think you're framing it in a very contemporary way, people obviously didn't look at it like that when it was the dominant paradigm
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 08:27 PM
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To some degree I agree however feminists will never seriously discuss or admit things like female dual sexual nature, or really anything that serves the female imperative to keep in the dark I'll go one step further and say that based on my discussions here and in talking to women in real life I'm not convinced that many women are even aware of the extent to which they employ these strategies , it simply manifests as ever changing mood and emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 08:14 PM
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Why would men be happy about dismantling the beta bucks paradigm, that makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 08:13 PM
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Ooohhh I thought you meant mass texting as in , the 2 am Hail Mary
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 07:29 PM
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Well to be fair the only time I had these discussions was in high school now 20 years ago , but men were pretty frank about it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 07:14 PM
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I'm calling bullshit on "mass texting doesn't work in 2017," first of all it's efficient if you have solid leads, second of all, a good mass text is either (1) original enough that people might presumably think it's targeted st them (texting cool pictures is my go to) or (2) boring enough that it's not remarkable in any way and thus more or less implies the point is sex ("you up?"), nobody is screenshoting these to post them on the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 06:53 PM
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RP is super edgy in the way it says the same shit. Seddit makes it sound marginally acceptable to women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 04:48 PM
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I think I more or less agree with what you're saying here, except for your third paragraph--I don't think it's just access that men want, there is also a drive for the actual act. The ability to get there is important but when it gets down to it, I don't think that's enough to satisfy the drive. Maybe it is different for women or for guys with a low sex drive, I'm not inside their heads and I don't know how they think, I know what I've been through and what I've heard people talk about online th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 03:49 PM
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I had a long dry spell (7-8 months) and in that time I started getting very needy, pushing friends way, identifying with the way in incel groups think (this was before we had the name "incel" for it tho), my mind was just erratic and all over the place, I was lonely as fuck, and not in a "friendship" sort of way, I still had good friendships the whole time Basically once I had sex it sort of cleared up pretty quickly, like in a couple weeks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 03:22 PM
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Damn, sounds rough. I'm glad to hear you're coping at least. Once you're at "coping" it becomes a lot easier to get out of this shit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 05:25 AM
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Yeah , what "invisible" means is very different when you're talking about average men being invisible to women. The whole way that women speak always assumes an above average man. The classic example is if you ask them what they find attractive, they will only describe within the range of hot dudes, so they're talking about how they hate muscular dudes but dating athletes Men don't really do this, they're pretty outright, "I like a girl with a nice ass" or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 03:55 AM
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It is one framework for looking at the world , to some extent it is useful to some extent it isn't. When using any framework you need to acknowledge the limited applicability of the frame, recognize it as such, and be careful that you're not forcing things to fit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 03:28 AM
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Yup, it seriously starts to mess with your head after a while, as you put it, it results in serious mental issues. I don't think anyone who hasn't been through it would really understand it, it isn't a common experience or at least it isn't talked about
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 03:04 AM
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Male red pill , psychological necessity , my story below gives some insight as to why I see it that way-- When I was in high school and college I thought it wasn't a big deal I never really had a problem meeting women, I always had quality girlfriends and even a ONS or two. My whole worldview changed when I had a long dry spell in my mid 20s (7-8 months). That dry spell changed my life. In that time my thought patterns started getting all incel and weird, I started alienating all my friends, act…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 02:54 AM
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I can't figure out the polite way to say it--- it seems like I end up in a lot of casual relationships with NT type women but never anything serious
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 02:27 AM
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A lot of Americans would prefer it that way, but we really have no way to change it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 02:20 AM
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So I've been doing a cooking project lately-- working my way through all the various cuts of meat at the store and learning to prepare them. I've learned quite a bit of about preparing various types of roasts, and what effect different qualities of the meat will give you in the finished project and how you adjust your cooking style to accommodate it, for example fattier meats, tougher meats, more gamey meats. I'm a long way from mastery but it's been a rewarding project so far
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 02:19 AM
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I have a theory the a big problem for a lot of NT women is that guys will expect them to "shut down" their analytical and critical nature in all things relating to the relationship. For obvious reasons this is asking a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 02:13 AM
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My best relationships have been with NF types, my best flings have been with NT types Relationships with S type people usually get tiresome for me unless they're willing to do the relationship completely on my terms
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 02:08 AM
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Girl is grinding on me, I grab her and pull her closer, she doesn't like it and walks away "sexual assault" And these people wonder why nobody outside a college campus takes them seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 08:11 PM
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Yeah I'm in the US, I'm on the REPAYE plan (before that I was on IBR) my monthly payment is based on AGI, which I'd assume would be much higher if I were married
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 03:13 PM
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None of this is really exclusive to marriage tho
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 03:12 PM
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There are no penalties but there are all sorts of acceptable fees and charges for various breaches, I think this distinction is narrow enough that it's lost on non-lawyers, when they talk about a penalty they're likely talking about something that would be ok legally
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 02:19 AM
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I agree in generally I think courts are loathe to do policy rationales , especially trial courts. Appellate courts do seem like they're doing policy more often, that is like the whole point of an unpublished decision after all I'm speaking extremely generally here of course , bordering shitposting tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 12:56 AM
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thats the job of the legislature
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 12:44 AM
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I agree that courts make results based decisions all the time , but there are matters of degree
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 12:43 AM
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Policy is the bane of good legal reasoning , I understand that policy and law are realistically inseparable , but so long as we're talking ideals, they should be kept separate
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 12:41 AM
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See? Here we go Jk of course, I agree that something like 20 year terms could be workable
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/17 12:39 AM
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It's good to know how to employ both , "pulling rank" so to speak is weak as fuck but it gets the job done
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 11:37 PM
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Right? Here's another one-- with the way federal student loans repayments are computed, my monthly loan payment would more or less double if I got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 11:31 PM
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She said: "if a woman just decides to walk away with the kids, why should the man be forced to pay for them? Why should she even get custody if she can't support them?" You said: "because they're his kids, why wouldn't he want to support his own kids" This is where the argument falls apart on the women's side, it has become completely feels over reals and yet somehow this has become how we do things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 10:55 PM
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Another solid post This is the good side of betas -- they are stable, they respect position, due to people like that we can have an ordered framework of society and we can have nice things, without lots of beta types like this everyone will fight over everything and society becomes a nasty mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 10:41 PM
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Things that are understood to be no-go in contract because they will be thrown out are not a problem because you can account for them in advance, the rules were developed ages ago. It is only a problem if you don't know what the rules are going to be looking forward, courts are loathe to make new rules like that and it is extremely disfavored I don't understand how it's a catch 22, we may be looking at the purpose of a legal system differently, I believe it is largely there to provide predictabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 10:25 PM
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It is contract-like and there is a limited usefulness to looking at it from that framework, you're right though and we should be careful not to let the framework become our entire view
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 10:15 PM
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Not uncommon? You can't be serious, it is extremely uncommon, I would be absolutely shocked if a court ever declared a part of any of my contracts unreasonable and threw it out That is what I mean when I say "inserting policy," they aren't making "legal type" judgments rather they are just doing what they think is best ("policy type" judgments) It's something like this: legal reasoning = predictable, do what precedent and statute says to do policy reasoning = unpredictable, do what's best
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 10:09 PM
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Contracts in general really aren't that way, courts generally aren't inserting policy into other contracts in the way they do with marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 09:49 PM
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No, this is exactly the problem with marriage as contract, courts are too willing to read bullshit policy rationales into their interpretation of the contract and rewrite its terms, this sort of thing makes contracts less predictable and thus makes people less likely to enter into them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 08:48 PM
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I'd be much more in favor of marriage if it were more like a contract, meaning that the parties laid out their expectations up front and that was the deal, unchanging. You could even set forth the terms for termination, amendment of the contract. Of course women aren't going to go for that, women are all about promising the world early on and changing the deal later, i.e. Briffaults law
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 08:23 PM
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To be a good deal, the benefits that I get out of it must be greater than the expect drawbacks. As far as I can tell, I don't really get any benefits out of it; it's all risk I might do it for the kids tho, because I'm fucking soft
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 08:17 PM
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Yeah I get that , but IME there are plenty of working class girls who want a piece of the UMC and who can hold their own in a UMC crowd
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 04:29 PM
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I for the life of me don't understand how anyone is more attracted to educated people. I just don't get it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 07:20 AM
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This is an anonymous debate forum, I have nobody to impress here by talking a big game I agree that would be a better society but even in that society I'd freeload where I could get away with it, that would produce the best outcome for me personally
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 02:32 AM
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While it's an interesting thought experiment, me helping others when they need it doesn't actually mean they're going help me when I need it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/17 12:56 AM
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I don't think RP goes against society's sexual mores, maybe it goes against the ones set out in media but imo media doesn't reflect reality very well
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 09:54 PM
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I see your criticism with "anti feminism," but I think you've defined redpill in a very strange way ("red pill means going against society's sexual mores"). I don't think anyone here defines redpill like that, and if you asked for a definition of redpill it'd likely be fairly consistent, being a set of ideas defined by the RP reading list on the RP sidebar
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 09:29 PM
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Maybe a woman has to calibrate some of these things differently than a man, but she can still make it work
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 08:15 PM
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Of course women can learn this stuff Most women will not though, because it's difficult and they don't need to, they can just sit back and find a man to do all the work
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 08:14 PM
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What? It's not like a garden hose it's more like it dribbles out and then by the time we're done it's all over the place Oh just saw your edit. I don't know what squirting is supposed to be apparently, what you described sounds strange. Is it like a pee fetish?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 05:53 PM
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what do you call the thick/gooey stuff that comes out during sex? I always thought that's what guys referred to with "squirting"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 05:16 PM
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Really? I thought most girls could get a decent booty by squatting and working on hip mobility
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 03:40 PM
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Hyperbole and use of broad sweeping statements We all understand that there are unspoken qualifications that we could make all the time, but doing so sounds weak and waffley The cited post is clearly over the top
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 06:26 AM
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I mean some tits are just weird Tubular Small but saggy Long nipples Weird stretch marks Asymmetrical
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 06:00 AM
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What would you expect the ordinary male choice to be I'd have guessed tits in the lower classes, face in the upper classes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 05:58 AM
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It's a tough thing because I want to be a supportive boyfriend, I want to settle down eventually and have a family, be a good father , be a good life partner But so long as we're both running around party scenes that seems incongruent, her friends that have these type relationships are settled down and married, ready to have kids, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 04:55 AM
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yeah I think "hate" can be a lot of different things Like I'd call rough sex when you're pissed off at your long term partner a form of "hatefucking," even though I don't think you actually hate them, it's more a "hate of the moment" so to speak
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 04:51 AM
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That's fair I guess my point is that the words "love" and "hate" are used in many different ways to describe many different emotions, and often in contradictory ways
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 04:46 AM
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Yeah but if the choice were "nice face," "nice ass", and "small but still saggy" would it be the same ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 04:42 AM
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Ass and tits See my caveat under automod, if you pick face and ass you don't get to pick "nice small tits," you have to accept gross weird ones Early 30s , White/Hispanic, western US, UMC (I'm rural tho, the UMC is different out here and we are similar to the working class in some ways , everything is a bit more folksy )
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 04:16 AM
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If your choosing face and ass, you don't get to pick your preference in tits like "nice small tits," You have to accept like gross weirdly shaped ones or something
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 04:12 AM
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The difference between a loser and a winner is often very subtle, and perfection often appears suspicious
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 04:03 AM
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You kid but this is something I seriously make an effort at, I want to get to the bottom of my motives and figure out my real drives rather than the things I tell myself because it is socially acceptable I think that by understanding this I have a better chance at mastering myself
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 04:00 AM
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LOL when you're just being obnoxious about it, "oh yeah you hate me and I'm inside you, you love it don't you?" Sex can be a weird thing with how you can be saying one thing but the feelings are totally incongruent
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 03:59 AM
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Do you ever have mixed feelings toward someone ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 03:54 AM
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Yeah upon further reflection it's an interesting look at the way that you can get drawn into feminine energy, if she's all over the place it's pretty easy to get sucked into that Opportunity to work on strong frame I suppose, although to be honest I think my days of chasing these kids of women are behind me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 03:53 AM
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Yup I've had a few Two different types: girl I'm in a relationship with, and it's going downhill. What happens here is that the playful sexual aggression gets much darker.. girl with BPD / similar dramatic nature. God I can't stand these type of women but man are they good in bed. Their craziness just turns everything up to 11, I might be "making love" one minute and hate fucking the next
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 08:36 PM
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Overeating and neglecting physical fitness. I'm choosing this over nagging / bitching because I'll still give a bitch the time of day if she's fit. Thus it is less unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 07:19 PM
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"No I don't like muscular guys, I like guys with the build of a pro soccer player or Olympian swimmer"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 07:16 PM
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I think I'm gonna take it as it comes and see what happens with her. Like I said , mostly stay on my own game, but look maybe I can try to be a little more supportive with her. Sometimes I'm so afraid of being too provider-ish that I end up being brutal instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 04:44 PM
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You absolutely do not need to prove your expenses here, I would have much less of a problem with the system if that were the case
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 01:27 AM
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Yeah, maybe so. She wants a break but specifically not to see other people, just to have more time to ourselves, why would anyone make that qualification? And she came over to bang last night, but "don't read into it" Anyway I'm just gonna keep myself busy, go to this rave next weekend , see how it plays out. It'll be good to get back into camping, I had kind of a bad experience at burning man last year and haven't been camping since and I really miss it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 12:59 AM
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Why does it matter? This kid is like 8
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 12:53 AM
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I don't think child support should be used to pay a parent for its unaccountable labor in raising their own kid also child support should be half, if it costs $1000/mo then dad should be paying $500 Why not just require an accounting for expenses, like we do in literally every other case where someone is entrusted to spend money on behalf of another
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 12:52 AM
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to be fair you're coming from AUS where a pound of chicken is like $10. It's $2 here
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 12:48 AM
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I budget $50 a week for groceries, and that includes 150 grams per day of protein. I can't imagine that a little kid is eating twice that to bring my total to $150 a week. Realistically the kids protein needs should be somewhere in the range of 1/3 to 1/2 as much. Typical week looks like: 5 lb chicken - $10 Big can of mixed nuts - $5 Carton of eggs - $5 Misc bread/rice/beans - $10 Various veggies and fruits - $20
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 12:15 AM
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Women want sex just plenty , when they say stuff like that they're just trying to sweeten the deal and get sex plus stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 10:37 PM
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Those reasons why men should pay sound suspiciously like after the fact rationalizations Anyway, the answer to what men bring to the table other than providership is that men also give her excitement and sexual attraction, if you can give her that then you really don't have to provide much if at all
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 10:20 PM
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That isn't what providership is So technically no it isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 09:36 PM
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It's not a job though, there's no accountability to anyone You're saying the baby mama just becomes like some sort of pseudo contractor that you're forced to pay no matter what
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 09:35 PM
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eh, I disagree, when I'm first meeting someone I do lots of forced dichotomies, I think it's a fun way to make each other draw some lines in the sand even if you don't believe it 100% Just keep it light and not too serious
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 08:35 PM
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My first thought: "oh god, here we go," as I wait for her to launch into an overly serious diatribe that's completely uncalled for
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 08:33 PM
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So the drama with my girl I mentioned last week continues She said she wants us to take a break, normally I'd take that to mean "not enough value/attraction," and I'd think the cure is to just give her space, cut contact down to like 1-2 times a week, and go bang other girls But then midway through this rant, she breaks down crying about how much she is into me but why can't I be like her other friends boyfriends who are more supportive, who will lend them money, who commit to monogamy, who she …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 08:28 PM
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Right but as soon as the man makes enough money to have any sort of provisioning ability, child support becomes mandated provisioning for baby mamas. It is just a way to force dudes to provide for women, if they're able
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 06:11 PM
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Yup. it is a way to extract providership from men with no obligation or commitment from the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 04:15 PM
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He said that the calculation lets her claim all kinds of things, e.g. She said she is spending $600/mo on food
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 04:13 PM
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This is why people say child support is alimony in disguise, the mother apparently gets enough to support herself as well when it's the father paying
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 04:12 PM
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Wow WTF
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 03:19 PM
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I'd estimate he makes around $80k/year Apparently the wife has a lot of opportunity to fudge how much she spends on the kid, and it would cost him more than it's worth to fight it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 07:51 AM
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They can impute income based on estimated earning power if they think it's more than you actually make, and I guess force you to pay that much from other assets if you aren't earning enough
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 07:49 AM
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I have a friend who just did the child support calculator and it said he should pay $700/mo for one kid, that seemed high to me, I'd have expected maybe $400 tops.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 07:46 AM
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An alpha dude will probably not support his wife a whole ton in the first place, and if she gets sick he will probably just bang other women. He won't do this out of spite or anything like that, it will be more like scratching an itch
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 10:31 PM
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I don't abuse women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 05:40 AM
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It isn't my job to tell women what they like, if they respond to mean shit that's on them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 12:41 AM
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That's one kind of excitement and I definitely do that Another one is to "keep her guessing," about my personality usually by playing games Another one is to every now and then show her some side of me that she hasn't seen before, or let her in on something that I've been keeping to myself for a couple months.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 06:26 PM
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I agree to some extent but at the same time you've got to keep things interesting, sometimes that involves doing all kinds of unsavory stuff like being evasive or dramatic. But hey I'm a game player, I think people love playing games even if they say they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 06:23 PM
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I think lots of people think they want to know those details but then once they know they feel bored with it, you're better off keeping some mystery there
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:04 PM
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If you don't keep her excited she'll look for excitement elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:03 PM
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While that's true for you, you're an outlier in this I love to nerd out on these details too, NOW AND THEN, but hearing everybody's "I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that," its like "put up or shut up" as they say
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 05:19 AM
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Generally As much
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 05:17 AM
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It doesn't matter whether you actually believe it because there's exactly zero stakes to you professing your faith in a situation where it isn't being tested Like I said, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt , obviously it's okay to discuss your beliefs, but interjecting them just to make yourself look good, using excessive shaming language, etc, that stuff gets old fast and I know the people professing it aren't as perfect as they make themselves out to be
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 04:17 AM
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Who cares, it is what it is Worrying about questions like this is unproductive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 03:41 AM
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Hmm maybe it wasn't super clear
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 03:23 AM
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I guess it depends if it's called for in context, of if it's tangential I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt , but some people seem to find every opportunity to interject this stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 03:22 AM
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Bullshit, nobody wants to be dragged through all the mundane day to day bullshit underlying the finished product, they just want to see the finished product and they want it to look like sprang into existence fully formed
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 03:21 AM
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Do people not commonly have a bunch of half baked schemes that they're sort of working on? I thought most people did this
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 01:07 AM
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It adds to how she feels about you precisely because she doesn't know about it. People don't want to see all the painstaking work that goes into something, they especially don't want to be dragged through the work as an observer or a cheering section -- what people want is to see a finished product that looks cool and effortless So when you do show her the cool shit in your life, you just show her the surface and shut up about the rest, voila, you look good
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 12:56 AM
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Is what you're describing here something like "being down AF"? Like the kind of person who readily jumps into a risky adventure just because it seems like fun at the time
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 12:44 AM
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I've met a handful of women like that in my entire life, it would be a terrible dating strategy unless I was content with long dry spells, which I'm not, they're hell
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 12:16 AM
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How is cultivating a side of yourself that your woman doesn't know about going to bore her? That does not make sense. Anyway in my experience lots of "spontaneous" people are actually planning constantly, they just don't tell other people all their half baked plans
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 12:13 AM
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Maybe good advice for some guys But for even moderately masculine men, that is a recipe for disaster They won't trust her leadership They'd be better off putting effort into becoming better leaders than putting effort into becoming better followers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 11:53 PM
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Yup, that is the experience of dating as a man Lead or die
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 11:25 PM
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You're right, it isn't just "fun," it's a specific type of fun. I'm at a loss for the precise word for it though. Maybe we don't have that word. We have still clarified the idea quite a bit , I'd say
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 11:08 PM
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It seems coherent to me. This is a solid post, best thing I've read here in a while. "Perpetual unfolding adventure and novelty," I mean to me that sounds like a more descriptive and specific way of saying "fun"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 10:52 PM
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That is a woman's concern Men generally don't care about that as much
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 10:44 PM
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Keep lots of secrets things to yourself when they're still works in progress, don't tell her about all the shit you're up to, all the details of your half-cooked schemes, and when you do tell her, only give her the surface, don't show her the hard and boring work that went into it because nobody likes seeing how sausage is made Edited for clarity
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 10:26 PM
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You're onto something here I'd say a big way that everyday boring beta guys can achieve this is by just keeping on his path and not telling her about it too much, then when he's doing cool but mundane stuff she's just like "wow, here he goes again being awesome"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 10:25 PM
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Solid post, minor quibble is this --- Dominating her in the bedroom can , for a short while, give her a sense of "alpha unfolding adventure" as you put it. But it's a supplement and ultimately on its own it won't be enough
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 10:11 PM
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How deep down this rabbit hole can you go? are you going to break out every individual act, i.e. "It's okay if she likes to be slapped, but if she likes to be bitten, she's crazy!" IME most women don't "like" this stuff per se, but they do get off on it. It's a weird mixture of fear, arousal, and pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 10:06 PM
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Then the vast majority of women are mentally ill
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 10:03 PM
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LOL the complete opposite Women seem to enjoy sex with me much more now that I'm willing to abuse and degrade them. A man needs a little misogyny to spice up his sex game
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 09:59 PM
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Yeah, there's that, and also lots of subreddits have this underlying pro-woman, anti-men worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 09:45 PM
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Virtue signaling is sort of an analog to religious "professing your faith loudly and for everyone to hear," it's basically just garbage speech designed to make you look good, people who do it are usually hypocrites whose words are worth very little
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 09:08 PM
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I'm from a pretty rural/blue collar world, but I've lived in cities too, in my experience it seems like both places have lots of alpha and beta, it's just blue collar guys project a lot tougher image
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/17 05:38 PM
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Are you from a big city? This is often a stereotype of blue collar guys that in my experience isn't really true Blue collar men are often better at projecting an alpha image tho, even when they totally suck with women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/17 03:38 AM
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I did find TRP via the blue pill But I already basically agreed with TRP, actually I was adamantly opposed to what I thought TRP was because everyone on Reddit talks so much shit, but then I found PPD and actually read the material. Then it was like, "yeah no shit"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/17 03:34 AM
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Yeah , really Go watch a misdemeanor calendar, if anything those people probably skew a little above average, and it still ain't pretty
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/17 02:36 AM
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Go hang out in the DMV for a bit if you want to see a nice cross section of society
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/17 09:31 PM
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How can a man's viewpoint about his own state of mind be male solipsism You lost this one
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/17 08:13 PM
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female solipsism right here Men don't want sex to get the approval of others, they want it because it's an innate internal drive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/17 07:26 PM
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A big part of it is that lots of people have no clue themselves and/or they have a magic pill mentality Why is there so much bad dieting advice when literally all it comes down to is "download MyFitnessPal, track your macros"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/17 06:37 PM
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If an innate part of you is being flabby and weak , then I guess you should come to terms with the fact that you're innately unattractive Fitness has little to do with how manly you are, manliness is a set of mostly social behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/17 06:35 PM
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I'm not being too literal, I could see if I argued like one person one time denied it, that's not the case--it was a substantial portion of women who denied it. These people weren't advancing some kind of deep philosophical objection, they were kneejerking based on ideology The question posed was whether we believed women engaged in token resistance, it wasn't personal, it was about women in general. Discussion also centered around the disconnect between what the stats show and how people wholly…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/17 12:20 AM
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poster above me said "nobody denies token resistance exists" I recounted a time when a bunch of people denied that token resistance exists I agree that I was in an environment rich with the kind of people who would deny that it exists
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 11:47 PM
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Actual education would be teaching (1) what token resistance is, (2) that women frequently do it, including the aforementioned survey stats about how often it happens, and (3) practical guidance as to how to ID token resistance as opposed to actual resistance This will never be taught in a setting like a public school sex ed class, for lots of reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 10:10 PM
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My point is this: What you described isn't remotely close to teaching token resistance It's closer to the opposite: token resistance denial
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 09:51 PM
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Thank you for making my point for me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 09:43 PM
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lol I do not believe for a second that American sex Ed is teaching token resistance, get outta here with these ridiculous claims I'd love to see any evidence of this if you've got it tho
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 08:57 PM
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We did "token resistance" as a subject in one of my philosophy classes back in college, the reading material even cited surveys wherein lots of women admitted to doing token resistance About 1/3 of women in the class still refused to admit it ever happened
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/17 08:26 PM
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Why is anal being held up as some kind of standard of freaky sex? It is the vanilla of freaky sex acts, and it isn't hard to get girls to agree to it, any plebe can get anal if he really wants it Anyway pussy feels better imo
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/17 11:44 PM
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Why people don't just cheat on their dead bedroom partner is something I really don't understand , what drama queens
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/17 09:24 PM
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Most RP men do take themselves too seriously, but a big part of the red pill advice is "how to take yourself less seriously" and "how to take things less seriously in general"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/17 05:03 AM
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For this type of hypothetical , I imagine her asking me to bang at some sort of time where I'm most likely to agree to it, like "she grabbed me at last call" or something like that For this type of hypothetical, I totally ignore factors like "she looks like the kind of person who might not be compatible with me"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/17 02:01 AM
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Just sex? Probably 70-80% I mean if she's actually fit then it's practically 100%, I can't think of even one girl at my gym (regulars) that I wouldn't bang, well maybe some due to personality reasons but that's outside your hypothetical I think The "wall" doesn't mean that girls aren't attractive anymore, it's that their attracting power is much much less than it was in their youth. Guys acting like nobody wants 30 year old women are delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 11:46 PM
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Yeah I agree , America for some reason doesn't understand what socialism even is
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 05:21 PM
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Are you American? Calling for stuff like strong safety nets here results in "socialism never works" rhetoric
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 05:08 PM
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Oh bullshit, most of the developed word is governed by a socialists-capitalists hybrid, i.e. Capitalism with strong safety nets
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 04:52 PM
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Just wait for the next thread where women post pics of the "lean look" they like, and it's all guys who lift (but not guys who are extremely juiced out) LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 04:29 PM
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People are always going to be very skeptical of something like "official stats say it works," when they've personally seen friends' lives get destroyed by divorce. Also if you want to do risk calculus, even a small chance of a disastrous outcome gives you a bad expected outcome. Frankly even some of the milder shit Ive see happen in a divorce setting is just outrageous
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 04:24 PM
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Let religions license whatever "marriages" they want
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 04:23 AM
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Interesting reframe , this is the first time I've seen this and upon first blush it's a very useful way of looking at it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 04:18 AM
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To be fair, there's a large group of men who are traditionally the ones who "should be getting married", these men are also asking the same questions as to whether the new marriage deal is a raw deal
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 03:50 AM
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It seems like ~70% of bluepill distaste for redpill is bluepill distaste for the low value guys on the sub, rather than anything to do with the core redpill ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 03:47 AM
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On first glance, something it seems like you're overlooking is that the demise of marriage 1.0 also changed men's obligations with regard to marriage -- the social stigma of being an unmarried man is relaxed, and the current marriage deal is a raw deal for men. This results in less marriage, and that's something that lots of women have a problem with. That said, that is sort of a minor nitpick, I do largely agree with your analysis, i agree it's mostly low value guys longing for the days of beta…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 03:44 AM
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It can be learned , maybe the aptitude for it is genetic but I really never knew how to flirt until I consciously set my mind to "gaming" women in my mid 20s, I did okay before that but I couldn't go out and consistently get laid. After practicing it for a couple years I got pretty good at it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/17 08:00 PM
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Maybe it's possible to be virginal and content if you have low T
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/17 06:37 PM
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Do you think it's accurate to say that many women are both partly repulsed by it and partly attracted to it ?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 04:10 AM
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lol you say that but honestly I'm a big nerd
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:26 PM
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What? Far from it -- I was asking what that statement was based on -- if this was just intuition, or if it was based on someone she knew, or what? I'm trying to better understand
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:55 PM
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She always takes my side , it's just , it creates drama and any amount of energy she has to spend dealing with negativity, I feel like it brings our relationship down a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 01:53 AM
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Girl
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 01:44 AM
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Now there's an idea I can get behind
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 11:56 PM
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I didn't see the post where you gave that explanation In my experience tho it's just a sex thing. These women don't want to actually be treated poorly, it's just in the bedroom. I don't really see a connection to any other personality traits -- is there some reason you believe there is such a connection?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 10:14 PM
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I don't believe they literally represent all women, obviously that isn't the case , what I do believe is that there's a huge mismatch between how much women generally like this stuff and how much disapproval women generally express for it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 10:07 PM
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honestly part of me wishes someone would post a decent explanation for it, because I really don't understand it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 10:03 PM
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My point is that I obviously understand that there are some casss where it isn't like that , but in most cases? I really doubt most incels have: got their exercise and diet on lock to where they're fit went out and approached multiple women multiple nights a week because if you did those things the chances of staying incel for very long are pretty low. Do you think this is inaccurate? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 10:01 PM
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Well among those women I only pick the really sweet and family oriented ones for LTR. I've had some great LTRs. Anyway what's surprising to me about this is that it seems like the vast majority of women are into this stuff, well over half the women I've been with really like it, and I'm not screening for it before sex, it's just what they're into
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 09:07 PM
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They're 22 and 24 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 09:02 PM
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Why is it such an unrealistic expectation to find women who are "ravenous sex machines," I feel like that accurately describes most women I've ever been with
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 08:59 PM
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It's the women in my life that have driven me to all these freaky sex acts, posts like this are just "oooh not little me" style coy bulllshit
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 08:56 PM
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And if you ask them, "if it were to be uncomfortable for you, what makes you think it wouldnt be uncomfortable for women? This is a counterproductive way to figure out what women like. In my experience what women like is like the opposite of what I'd like, women apparently want you to treat them like shit (choking, slapping, hair pulling, degrading). It is horrifying and I don't get it, but I've learned to just accept it and not judge it too much
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 08:53 PM
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Fun happenings in the life of Mr. DCD, my girlfriends roommate has taken a dislike to me, and has begun an active campaign against me. Apparently I'm a "fuckboy." I hate dealing with this sort of shit, nothing but drama
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 08:46 PM
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I don't think adding so many layers of nuance and qualification really improves the model
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 06:44 PM
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Good enough to make generalizations on the internet More seriously tho, yeah good enough to make up an image of the world I agree with yeah I mean would it be better for you if I prefaced everything with the phrase "in most cases"? That's already implied , I thought
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:50 PM
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I have general ideas about the world that, even though they are not always 100% accurate, they are good enough to use as rules of thumb
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:35 PM
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Like I said, that's what I thought people did on drugs, they found other people to take drugs with them and bang I guess I can see that I was a bit unclear tho
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:34 PM
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It's just what I think is most likely , I don't believe it's true 100% of the time, but it's true enough
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:31 PM
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Someone out there for everyone? That sounds kind of dramatic and overblown I'm saying that if you go out and approach approach approach you'll find someone who is down to fuck around, or you'll figure out what is so unattractive about you and fix it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:28 PM
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Why would a woman go home with a guy to take drugs with him if she didn't expect something to happen between them Like they're just gonna chat all night? This is seriously crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:25 PM
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When people get sex crazy, they're more open to fucking people they otherwise wouldn't
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:17 PM
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Because if you approach a ton of women either one of them will be down to screw around or you will figure out what the hell youre doing wrong and correct it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:16 PM
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It's a stimulant, stims make people sex crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:02 PM
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Because it doesn't make sense that an incel really did that much work and didn't (1) get any action or (2) undergo enough personality development to become more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:01 PM
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I thought that's what people did on coke , am I wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 04:56 PM
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isn't that the implication if she comes along
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 04:52 PM
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Yeah sure but why call yourself an incel at that point? Like just let 3 random girls know you wanna party, one of them is bound to be a taker
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 04:46 PM
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Yeah because based in my experience you really have to go way above and beyond to break a dry spell sometimes, I strongly doubt many people have done that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 04:44 PM
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lol yeah but that is like "people are haters 101"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 02:57 PM
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How can you do cocaine and not get laid , it makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 04:29 AM
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The stereotypical incel is nowhere near street savvy enough to get a prostitute
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 04:24 AM
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For me, when I had a long dry spell, basically the thing that ended it was going out to bars and approaching dozens of women until I found takers for NSA. During the dry spell I'd do an approach here and there, it got me nowhere. I don't believe most incels have approached 30+ women in the past month, in places like a bar that are conducive to hooking up Oh and my physical fitness was already on point but that's basic and if you haven't taken care of that come on how can you expect to be taken s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 04:19 AM
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What caused it for me was banging a bunch of different women and learning that the vast majority of them liked it, porn had nothing to do with it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 03:42 AM
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It's sort of a stupid requirement on a debate sub, the whole point of thought experiments is to flesh out people's preferences, bare answers to the thought experiment are kinda boring
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 10:49 PM
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Hmm, yeah I have only a vague idea of what men's attractiveness even looks like, and even then I'm pretty far off the norm. It seems like most people try to use "men's beauty" as the standard for rating men's pics, that's not what I go for at all with the image I put out there online "Men's beauty" as a concept is just very strange to me, it honestly comes off kinda gay and I don't mean it in an insulting way, it just doesn't seem heterosexual
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 08:30 PM
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When I do online dating, it's extremely important that my pictures convey personality-- ie it isn't just a picture of me in a studio (or a bathroom) posing, they're generally pictures of me out doing stuff, the best ones are candid ones where it captures me in some "moment of action" so to speak. I'm a sort of ugly guy but I believe when women see a bit of "coolness" in my pictures it's attractive Maybe I'm a total weirdo on this issue tho because I've said this over and over at ppd and nobody e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 07:54 PM
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What you're saying is that women are more beautiful than men I don't think that's equivalent to saying women are more attractive than men. There are men who are extremely attractive to women, but have rough feautures that preclude beauty, also their attractiveness is more grounded in behavior than looks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 06:14 PM
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Is this a joke? That woman looks scary
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 05:40 PM
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It isn't that selection for "looks" that ends them up with abusers, it's their selection for aggressiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 01:09 AM
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What's misogynist about it? That's how men want to be loved, we want to be worshipped. Of course I'm going to prefer a woman who worships me to one who doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 06:09 AM
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Festivals, hiking, bar scene, travel/tourism I tried to teach her snowboarding but that didn't go so well I taught her lifting but we don't lift together
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 02:32 AM
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Maybe so maybe not, the time frame requires to make that determination is longer than our lives. Just because it wins out short term doesn't mean it will win out long term I hope you're right tho
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 01:49 AM
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I'm torn. I do well in the open SMP, I really like it because I can have a rotation of women and that feels great. On the other hand it doesn't seem like this is the best model for society in the long term. I wonder if some other societal model (marriage 1.0) will beat us out. Even though that won't happen in my lifetime, I still care about the future generations of Americans, I want them to enjoy the same success I grew up with. Ultimately I don't have the answers here, it's a tough question, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 12:23 AM
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I mostly agree but I also think that you can talk about RP in real life pretty openly if you reframe it as jokes and humor But yeah if anyone tried to turn those jokes into some kind of serious discussion point I'd blow it off
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 05:10 PM
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so ya want polygamy, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 04:40 PM
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If you're going to talk about this sort of stuff in general I think it's better to talk around it in a socially proper way, rather than talk about it earnestly and directly
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 04:38 PM
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Talking about this stuff in a straightforward manner, especially with an intimate partner, is something RP would STRONGLY advise against
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 06:11 AM
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What you describe is usually what RP guys are like after the learn the material, them get away from it and get on with their life. They keep the good parts and leave the rest
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 04:45 AM
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Breaking down all these relationship dynamics and games into straightforward talk is weird and unnatural, I don't think a guy who understands this stuff really wants to talk about it with a girl he's dating
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 04:36 AM
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Agree 100% I had no idea how freaky women actually were until I had sex with a bunch of them. My first couple relationships were very vanilla, but once I branched out a bit it blew my mind how many women want to be choked, hit, spat on, degraded, humiliated, made to cry, etc etc. I don't mind doing that stuff, but I don't really understand how anyone likes it, it took a long time for me to come to terms with the fact almost all women are into at least some of it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 05:24 PM
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Disagree, so long as they both trust that he's more masculine, and she's more feminine, they should be good in that respect Hell some alpha AF guys have little weird feminine quirks, but they're still masculine overall
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 04:47 AM
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What? No. They absolutely count. When I was single, I had a list of 5 "must have" qualities that I look for in a partner, and knowing some kind of art or craft is one of them It's super feminine and it's productive/useful, what's not to love?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 02:49 AM
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You know, I've thought about what you said here, and I do have a problem when I date people with too strong of personalities -- neither of us compromise and in the long term we just end up lying to each other, holding back, etc, because we aren't compromising in that way. This is part of why I think relationships are better with a clear follower and a clear leader. More generally I tend to be the type of person who doesn't accept other people's leadership easily, unless they've really proven the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 10:50 PM
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I was being a little cheeky with my word choice there, but yeah I know what you mean Still if evolutionary psych is to be believed there's good reason for women to adopt frame more -- essentially the war brides theory
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 09:55 PM
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I agree with this, however, it always seemed like my girlfriends come much further into my frame than I do into theirs. Also some of my friends have noted the same thing with their girlfriends trying to infiltrate their hobbies, social circles, etc, while my friends don't really make those moves into their girlfriends circles
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 09:48 PM
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Hmm yeah I could be too arrogant to admit that I'm picking up things from her. I'll take a hard look at myself there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 09:38 PM
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Aww that's disappointing to hear, I was having fun with this
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 09:37 PM
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Yeah it feels like I'm alternating between "oooh wow omg whaaaat" and "groan" quite a bit. Entertaining tho
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 09:07 PM
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Right? It sounds like OP has no idea what lawyers actually do
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 07:23 PM
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Latin people are RP as fuck I think it's the Asian/Indian crowd that has the BP values Edit : oops I misreads your comment
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 06:18 PM
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lol scared of guns Thank you again for the reminder that city folk exist
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 05:44 PM
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You can emulate what those things visibly cause, but you'd better be able to walk the walk when the shit hits the fan, or the pussy dries up and leaves. The one area that you can emulate without ever really being tested is just being freaky in bed. There is no real situation where you have to "walk the walk" so to speak, you just have to keep being super aggressive in bed
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 05:20 PM
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Pre and post RP is kinda weird terminology for me since I only found this stuff relatively recently, but I definitely had a phase where I learned all this stuff, it was just from friends irl, I'll call that "learning game" I did everything the same (usually shower, carry condoms, wear cologne, wear accessories), except before "learning game" I dressed much nicer, after "learning game," I made my image look a lot rougher. I didn't want to look like a "good man" so to speak, I wanted to look tough…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 04:08 PM
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It's not as dire as you make it out to seem I've banged a girl off tinder who was explicitly looking for a sugar daddy. We had fun and it wasn't an issue at all. I didn't buy her shit What you've got to realize is that it's fluid for these people , if you're attractive (be that physically or socially) you're good to go
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 03:46 AM
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Yeah I see your point , but at the same time, it seems like you could find a social circle of similar social awkwardness l
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 03:37 AM
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It's tough, I've known a lot of people who are willing to keep bad friends just because they feel like there's no other options. It sounds like you at least were able to cut those people out of your life, that's a start at least
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 02:35 AM
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Man I'm sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 02:33 AM
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Even dudes? It's hard for me to believe that a circle of men really care one way or the other, so long as you're not hitting on them or their girls. Of course if they've always known you as being desexualized then you're gonna get resistance when you change, but that's what's happens when you try to make any kind of personality change
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 12:49 AM
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What subs do you think are male centric adviceanimals is really the only one that comes to mind, it seems like most of Reddit is very very female centric from my POV
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 12:12 AM
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Why would you keep hanging around people that treat you like that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:44 PM
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I've been outright told that someone who looks like me shouldn't act sexual because it's disgusting and distasteful. Jesus Did you tell them to go fuck themself?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:42 PM
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How does it make RP null and void , I'm not following Alpha/beta is mostly about your standing among men (or even more precisely, how you relate to other men, high beta men are often well regarded by other men but their relational style is still beta in nature) Women tend to get tingles from guys with an alpha relational style and feel comfort from guys with a beta relational style. I guess you can see this stuff in a relationship but it's pretty easy to be an alpha when it's only women around, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:19 PM
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Ahh gotcha Yeah I think a lot of what we see here is just a lack of familiarity with working class culture , there's certain stereotypes that seem to hang on pretty well
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 11:06 PM
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Dating a man is probably the least reliable way to tell if he's alpha or beta, you really need to view his relationships with other men to determine that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 10:48 PM
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That sounds a lot like me and my friends although to be fair I've always been "the nerdy one" why don't you see those guys as holding RP views
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 10:10 PM
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I don't work in that field That is me being a smartass
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 09:35 PM
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Wrong for most people? No, I'm saying it's wrong for incel omega types, its way too advanced for them, they need to learn how to take showers, brush their teeth, etc etc before they can learn relationship dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 05:35 PM
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Yeah but duty sex happens, sometimes in a long relationship one person wants sex and the other person doesn't want to at that exact moment for some reason. So long as it's the exception and not the rule, it's not a big deal
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 05:14 PM
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Yup this is what TRP says You have to read between the lines a bit to get there tho, they don't say it like this, it doesn't jive with the way TRP is marketed at all
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 05:08 PM
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Yeah I think this is accurate, RP guys can get a little loose with what they're willing to call "alpha bucks," that might be like a computer programmer who supervises like 3 other dudes and makes $100k salary LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 05:04 PM
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TRP is made for one set of people Another set of people think it's made for them, it's not I'm not seeing why this is so confusing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 04:17 PM
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K
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 04:06 PM
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Yeah obviously, this is like the whole point of RP. Take a guy with too many beta traits and teach him how to spice it up with some alpha traits
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 03:53 PM
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Man that's scary if true
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 04:37 AM
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My understanding of the alt right is that they are a white identity politics movement styled after and made as a response to the other identity politics movements
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 10:27 PM
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again, why should I care about other states, let them do what they want , I don't care, it doesn't affect us here , it doesn't need to be a federal issue
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 09:34 PM
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White people will destroy the other races if they fully mobilize into racial/identity politics Frankly I'm rooting against it because those situations get out of control quickly and although I see myself as white, I'm not white enough for some people
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 09:32 PM
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Race neutral class politics is advocacy based on class, i.e. policies designed to benefit the middle class rather than some specific racial/ethnic/identity group
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 09:30 PM
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Democrats are marginally better, that's all I'm claiming
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 08:12 PM
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Why do I care about other states Let people there get their shit together It isn't something that really needs interstate agreement or cooperation in order to work properly
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 08:10 PM
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The idea that abortion could become illegal in my state is laughable Also I don't believe republicans will ever give up this issue so they'll need to keep it viable somewhere , it's a pander-fest for them , just like immigration
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 06:56 PM
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they will only play identity politics reflexively They're A-okay with and arguably prefer race neutral class politics, aka championing the interests of the working man Nobody is saying those people deserve their problems, they're saying that they aren't going to vote to advance the particular interests of tiny splinter groups when the great masses have pressing needs
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 06:39 PM
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Agree wholeheartedly I'll take it a step further and say that identity politics is a distraction from class struggle, class struggle in other words advancing the interests of the working man is the heart of the left
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 06:07 PM
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Right? Do they live in such a bubble that they think smug circlejerking is going to convince people who are on the fence? I get the impression that they do, the current left has extreme difficulty understanding other opinions , or even that other people have other opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 05:29 PM
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Regardless, the Republican Party has historically been more on the side of helping the rich make that divide bigger I can't understand why the working man thinks the republicans will champion his interests, they've never done so, they will sell him down the river like they've always done
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 05:26 PM
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lol okay By that rationale rural areas are poor and undeveloped because of republicans
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 04:54 PM
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It's really a state issue tho Not really a federal one
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 03:49 PM
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I'm white, I've been randomly stopped This happens when you're in the hood , it's not a race thing I even agree that it's worse for black people but the point is that identity politics are a luxury that people will indulge when things are good, the white middle class is hurting too much for that right now
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 03:48 PM
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Yup, it's laughable to me that poor people think the Republican Party is going to become a champion of the middle class. What's their record with that? Say what you will about democrats but they're marginally better in this regard. Republicans have overseen all the major increases in the rich vs middle class divide
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 03:21 PM
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I for the life of me cannot understand why the Democratic Party thinks that alienating white people is a winning strategy. I'm a democratic voter because I believe they best represent my interests, but I'm really questioning that belief these days
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 03:19 PM
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Patriotism
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 03:12 PM
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It's like people who virtue signal so much they start buying their own bullshit , and thinking they're actually this awesome person that they pretend to be. I find that people who do this loudly and often usually don't live up to it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 03:51 AM
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It's so strange to me that face, height, and muscles are all below 15% though, it's unrealistically low
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 10:40 PM
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Yeah I think it's one of those things where men and women just look at it differently I'm not describing what I want for casual sex, I'm describing my ideal partner
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 10:37 PM
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If someone asked me what I want in a woman I'd start describing the physical features of my dream woman
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 10:30 PM
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Nope I believe what I do based on my experiences chasing women and taking them home from bars and clubs, and, later, from tinder I have no idea why women say this shit. Although I do think they're somewhat ashamed to admit how much they value looks because people think it's shallow. Anyway why would anyone care if an ONS partner is faithful ?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 10:27 PM
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Objective To identify, quantify, and rank the traits that make a man "hot" to women. How does it imply "partner"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 10:25 PM
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You're missing the point, high sex drive men will do things like fuck fat girls out of boredom, he'll fuck regardless of SMV , so it's a mistake to say "oh well her SMV equals the SMV of whoever bangs her"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 10:23 PM
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The top comment in the post agrees https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5oxb8y/article_discussion_the_top_20_traits_women_want/dcmr7bw/?utm_content=permalink&utm_medium=front&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=PurplePillDebate
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 10:05 PM
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This is not correct If I catch the car salesman drunk and he sells me a car for $5, it was an error in the market, it doesn't mean that the value of the car has plummeted
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:50 PM
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This "evidence" is directly contrary to my experiences with women Also the vast majority of posters here agree with me You seem to be an outlier
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:48 PM
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Really? I'm surprised they're taking that position I've always seen it as an expression of status (money, social standing, class, etc) rather than looks
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:46 PM
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If the other things are so far above looks, then why are the guys without the other things but with good looks getting laid I don't believe women have some kind of nefarious motive here but what the fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:38 PM
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You can't seriously believe this list reflects what women find "sexy" and "hot," as described in the OP. The general consensus even among women and blue pillers here is that the list is more reflective of what a woman is looking for in a relationship than what she finds attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:35 PM
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About looks? No, I believe that women generally want a man that is better than them in status (be that class, money, social standing, coolness) and are more or less ambivalent about his physical looks after he meets the threshold
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:17 PM
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lol that's why it's posted, this is the shit we saw in our bluepill life and it is like 1000% false
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:14 PM
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And yet here we have them giving clearly bullshit answers Looks and muscles under 20% give me a break women seem to lie just for lying sake
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 09:12 PM
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Right I mean that's around the age I believed that stuff too, maybe push it back a year or so For guys who didn't have their first relationships until a few years later or had trouble accepting it for whatever reason , I could see why they'd take longer to understand it Nobody really talks about this stuff, you've got to figure it out yourself because if you do ask, you get stuff like "women are wonderful" and like the OP. Hell when I started figuring t out I had people telling me it was just on…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:08 PM
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Ok so you've said that my general rules have exceptions? I'm okay with that , I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:04 PM
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So what? That's not the reason RP is discussing it, RP is discussing it in terms of how attraction works for the sexes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:03 PM
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Look at the way the article is worded Is it so weird that we thought this when it is literally what we are/were being told
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:01 PM
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Hypergamy doesn't just mean "better in some way" it's a more precisely defined concept than that, it refers specifically to selection for specific status traits Further, women's attraction is closer to "attraction and selection of to the best one possible," which is something men have intuitive trouble understanding because men's own attraction is more like "attraction to almost all and selection of as many as possible". Men are more "polygamous" than they are "hypergamous"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:27 PM
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I find that threads like this are sort of taunting the blue pillers
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:18 PM
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Waiting for people to jump in and tell us how this sort of messaging doesn't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:12 PM
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Hmm, maybe so, I hadn't thought of it that way I try to give people the benefit of the doubt maybe it's not warranted here
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:55 PM
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I would agree that it is an "analogue" of hypergamy as stated in the quote , it's still missing the context of why RP even talks about hypergamy being different from the way men experience attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:54 PM
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helpful how? She already knows that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:46 PM
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these people , they'll gladly say other people are required to date anyone and everyone, I strongly doubt they apply the same standards to their own dating lives
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:42 PM
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It's not helpful information, stuff like: "I don't like the shape of your vagina" Is just going to piss women off, you'd be a fool to seriously tell them that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:38 PM
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That's not what hypergamy is
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 04:34 PM
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Congratulations you've shown that my hyperbole wasn't 100% factually correct Also I'm pretty skeptical of this type of reporting - are women like this considered "good" in this culture because fatness means "she has food and thus we won't starve" or is it genuinely attractive like guys are saying "wow, her fat rolls make my dick hard" I'm guessing it's likely the former rather than the latter
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:37 PM
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Let me guess, you're so smooth you've never been blown out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 11:23 PM
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I agree in theory but a guy is only going to invest so much without getting any returns before he cuts his losses and walks away
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 09:04 PM
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Very few guys want sexless friendship with women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 09:03 PM
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Friendly, I'll be able to read if she doesn't like me because she won't follow my lead and/or she'll respond negatively to being touched Friend zoning is more extreme than just being nice, it's a girl that leads a guy on because she gets validation from it So what if you got called a bitch for rejecting someone? Do you think you're actually a bitch? Were you a bitch to him? Then why do you care? Girls have called me all sorts of shit just for approaching, I don't take it too seriously Also rule …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 07:33 PM
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Try to apply RP advice without nuance in the real world, you'll get smacked down and learn to take a more nuanced view. You'll also have a better understanding of why you interpreted it one way to begin with and a different way after trying to apply it. That is the RP method
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 07:27 PM
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Yup I sort of come at it the same way, I view the RP sub as a place to become acquainted with RP ideas rather than as a place to master them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 07:24 PM
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I don't think that's the case but I think some guys who actually participate in the RP sub would say something like, "the sub needs cohesion, guys can work out the nuance on their own."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 06:32 PM
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Every single person I know in real life who has made an effort to improve in this part of their life was a guy who did sorta okay like me, but felt like he missed out compared to guys who lived a pussy parade. I know two specific people who are incels, they complain a lot and get pissed if you try to help them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 06:26 PM
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Savage af
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 06:23 PM
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I'm just giving the other posters the benefit of the doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 06:12 PM
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I see this shit on tinder fairly often, usually in the middle of a long rant about dating To be fair this is sort of r/choosingbeggars material and I don't think these are normal people that I'd meet through a social circle
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 06:05 PM
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People say flippant things all the time , is it really outside the realm of possibility that some woman somewhere , possibly from a different regional, class, and educational background from you said those things? IMO it's extremely common
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 06:03 PM
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Language is fluid, you're overthinking this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 05:52 PM
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It was precarious, I ended up having a long dry spell with no real idea how to get out of it. Most guys who get into this shit are not incels, they are guys like me who were doing just fine until their luck ran out
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 05:37 PM
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What is with all these euphemisms I had an "active social life" as a youth, I didn't get laid often. I was into the party scene and had a blast other than not getting tons of pussy. I did okay I had hot girlfriends and even some ONS, but what I didn't have is the pussy parade that some of my friends had
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 05:14 PM
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Why do you insist on measuring wealth absolutely when you know that isn't how humans work People don't run around comparing with each other to be obstinate or to make themselves unhappy, they do it because that is the comparison that feels most natural to them. You are an outlier if you are able to get past that in a meaningful way
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 04:53 PM
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I like seeing people get smacked down in a debate Also I like to test out and refine my own ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 02:29 PM
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I don't know anyone who makes that kind of money, my guess is that people like that either move to a big city or they settle down with a family What's the difference in Asia?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 05:59 AM
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LOL oh yeah I don't like that either, it's super snowflakey I thought people were hating on the idea of actually making connections with others
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 05:31 AM
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Hey at least I'm not sitting here virtue signaling, when push comes to shove most people who talk a big game are full of it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 04:35 AM
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Why is demisexual looked down on so much? I looked it up and I feel like I relate to that. I've never had a meaningless hookup for example, even on my one night stands we've shared lots of cute little jokes and all that shit, genuine moments together I feel like people with any substance to their personality can appreciate that, although to be frank I'd never discuss it with anyone irl, it's the sort of thing that is better off appreciated but unspoken
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 04:15 AM
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Right? I don't see many girls saying, "I dropped to 20% body fat and got a boob job, how come I can't find a man?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 03:28 AM
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Falls into frigid IMO OR into doesn't like me enough Either way there's some reason she won't take a chance that's within a normal level of risk
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 03:26 AM
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It depends what your goals are , different goals call for different strategies
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 02:40 AM
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Because many women use their financial qualifications like "I don't get it, I have a job, a house, and two cars, why can't I meet a man?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 02:21 AM
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2-3 dates a week with someone I just met is also a LOT I have a three date rule, I think that's pretty common, if there's no action by the third date she is either (1) not into me or (2) a frigid woman, my worst fear LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 01:31 AM
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How old were each of you when you met I have great difficultly believing any quality guy would date someone that long with no physical affection after high school
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 01:00 AM
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LOL yeah but ppd is serious business !
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 10:49 PM
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I don't have hordes, I have enough that I can choose from and find women that I'm happy to be with. Stop amplifying to make t look like I'm trying to be a bad ass. I'm concerned with op because I think it's shitty advice, why do I rant against magic diet pills on /r/fatlogic , it's the same principle, I don't like people wasting their time with bad advice
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 10:43 PM
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In my experience women are terrible about determining which men are "just after sex." What happens most often is that women just accuse the vast majority of dudes of being only after sex, which isn't the case at all
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 10:33 PM
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I don't agree with your "it's all good" way of thinking, her advice is terrible advice, it working for anyone is like a broken clock being right twice a day
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 10:28 PM
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Yeah I'm not trad con , I'm a pragmatist I don't understand why a woman wouldn't just fuck whoever she wants and then lie about n count if anyone asks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 10:14 PM
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Why would I think that I like girls who fuck me quickly, I'm not into slut shaming Your post sounds like the thoughts of a cruel and sadistic person I really look at all my exes prettt well, I generally like them as people excepting of course anyone who has deceived me, lied to me, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 10:09 PM
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Why would I care what women who aren't into me think about me I care what the ones who ARE into me think about me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 10:01 PM
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I would never marry or even LTR a woman who didn't choose to bang me within a few hours of meeting me, I need someone who is into me sexually and who trusts her judgment enough to act on it right away. There's enough women who will meet my criteria that I can pick a good one among them, I don't need to expand my range to women with crazy 10-date rules
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 09:33 PM
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There's no middle ground, either you're in a power position and they treat you like their god, or they fucking run all over you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 04:50 PM
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I would care that way for any children I raised within a marriage Literally the purpose of marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 05:58 PM
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Right, I would not acknowledge them as mine
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 05:21 AM
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I wouldn't go out of my way to father kids by a sperm bank But if sex were no risk, I'd bust nuts carelessly Obviously not with my wife- with random women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 05:05 AM
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I'm a realist about humans, I think we are all pretty low and vile
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 04:46 AM
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If I could bang girls without fear of child support I'd probably have a dozen kids I'd never ever ever use condoms or anything that's like the only thing holding me (and lots of other guys) back
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 04:24 AM
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Young: coming of age; all over the place, 0-10 Young adult: high school sweetheart. She was beautiful and sweet. Super nice, lived RPW in a way, although that wasn't a thing then. I only cheated on her twice. We broke up on civil terms, she was ready for kids and I wasn't. 8-10 Early 20s: SJW feminist girl. 8-10 at first, 2-6 for the last year or two. Late 20s: single phase, 0-10. Just depends when. Had a rotation for a bit, that was like 8/10, 10+ fun but like 4 bc so much drama. Also had dry s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 03:55 AM
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Yeah no shit And men give up the chance at polygamy That's the deal. Why does BP act like men are also giving up their hypergamy? Men and women give up different things in the marriage bargain women have greater lost mating opportunity costs from monogamous mating It really depends which men those women are compared to -- of course their opportunity cost compared to the lowest men is high. But compared to the highest men? It's very low, top men give up WAY MORE in marriage because outside of tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 03:40 AM
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Did you go to college? General social attitudes there ar eheavily shaped by feminism, much more than in the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 06:15 PM
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IME alcohol is always involved in a bar pickup
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 01:20 AM
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Pickup at a bar Somewhere between the bar and my bed, we are talking and she says something like "just so you know, we aren't having sex tonight." I learned to take it as a green light, but it's so weird to me, it's literally the opposite of what she's saying. Earlier in life I'd been taught to absolutely respect a woman's expressed intent and if she said no sex that night, it meant that it was absolutely off the table. that was completely wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 01:10 AM
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Haha yes!! I actually have some mild facial damage from fighting in youth It fucked me up for the longest time, I thought it was holding me back, but really it wasn't, I just had to learn how to use t to my advantage
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 12:38 AM
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LOL really? I see people write it in field reports a lot, and I had a couple girls say it to me back when I was picking girls up at bars
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 11:41 PM
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I wouldn't lie, I simply don't say, if someone asks me that I'm going to blow them off and refuse to answer
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 09:38 PM
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I think it's both, it's morally reprehensible to make non-fathers pay, but if you care about paternity you'd be a fool not to do the test
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 07:35 PM
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Maybe- I think I could pass for having low N, I'm a huge nerd LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:45 PM
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Yup, I agree, I was filling in details bc we all come from different backgrounds and have different ideas of what's normal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:40 PM
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I'm sure it could be true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:05 PM
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Yup I'd say at least half the girls I've banged have never met anyone else in my social circle, at least not in any context where I'd acknowledge that I was banging them. You make it sound like these are all LTR girlfriend or something. These were fuckbuddies and ONS, we might still see each other at the bar and hell they might even talk, but nobody questions me about it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:02 PM
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My friends don't know how many women I've banged. Why would I tell them that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 04:52 PM
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What a coincidence, id never tell a woman my n-count
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 04:47 PM
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Is that what he told you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 04:46 PM
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Over 30 n-count, I've cheated on every woman I've ever been with
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 04:46 PM
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Don't go looking for what you don't wanna find
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 04:43 PM
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90/10 rule and structured conversations work wonders with people who suck at conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:41 AM
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Yup if she has something really interesting that I actually would like to comment on , of course I'll comment on it 5 selfies? Hey there. Great pics, I like your hair. We should get a drink some time. Etc
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:41 AM
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Stacie's are great to bang but if you've ever tried dating one then you already know she's too basic for anything more than that She'll match well with a basic bro
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 05:33 AM
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I agree with most of what you said, but no guy is going to watch stars on screen and think "hey, yeah, being ugly can actually work well if I play it in the right way," because they aren't going to identify movie stars as ugly people
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 03:04 AM
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I agree with that, I guess this science could be relevant to us here too, maybe if you look feminine you could go to a developing country or something as a strategy LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 02:28 AM
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Look I can do this too If women love assholes , why does TBP and mainstream media hate on them so much
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 02:24 AM
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I think this is more an issue of definitions I'm looking at masculinity as behaviors that are norms for men The researcher is looking at it as looks that are norms for men I think the first is what's more relevant bc you can change your behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 02:10 AM
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Sounds right, I would add that lots of women respond to guy's messages who are a few years outside their range
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 02:00 AM
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You've definitely got a point , I'll give you that. But I'm not giving up completely. Hollywood favors people who are very traditionally beautiful, and what I'm talking about -- a guy can be ugly by looks and if he is powerful and aggressive he can kill it, his looks really don't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 01:38 AM
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Connect the dots for me then. How can you tell what a person behaves like from a picture of their face
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 01:35 AM
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I'm not saying they're weak, I'm saying they're good looking, all those guys you mentioned are very good looking. I don't mean "Hollywood ugly" or "Hollywood beautiful," I mean actually good looking among normal people. Almost everyone in tv and movies is stunning Hellboy, as mentioned above, is a better example, he is the only one who is remotely ugly, some weird ass proportions to that dude
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 01:08 AM
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I don't think so, most everyone in movies and tv is beautiful, even the masculine examples are usually beautiful chads, definitely not too many people who are "ugly" in a masculine sort of way. if they are included they're usually villains. Media is very feminist leaning and they love to vilify aggressive, take-what-you-want, animalistic masculinity. Edit : wait who is "they" in your first and last sentence
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 12:49 AM
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What am I looking at there
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 12:11 AM
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Lots of guys base their understanding of attraction off media so they don't understand this. Try telling them that being "ugly" can actually work in a guy's favor with lots of women because those women will see them as more animalistic and savage, these guys will not believe it, it's outside of their understanding
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 10:18 PM
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I'd maybe agree with that, I'm really basing this on my own experiences, I'm ugly in a masculine way, with rough features like you describe I don't see why it wouldn't work for a small guy though, I've seen dominant men who were like 5'5", like little fucking savages
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 09:49 PM
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I don't think you can draw those sort of broad conclusions from looks alone
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 09:46 PM
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It doesn't matter how tough or "manly" an ugly guy acts, he'll still be unattractive. Absolutely false, there are lots of women who respond to aggressive men, even cruel men, if you are ugly your ugliness can even work for you because it plays into an archetype fantasy those women have
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 08:55 PM
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Another study using a bizarre methodology that doesn't jive with intuitive understanding of how this works When I think of masculinity it's mostly behavioral rather than looks
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 08:48 PM
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There is no dichotomy, we live in a huge civilization, you can find thousands of people who like weird thing X even if 99.999% of people think weird thing X is sick and disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 05:22 PM
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Debate works better if you made points boldly rather than hem and haw
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 01:04 AM
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Are you purposefully ignoring the distinction I'm making I will not lose attraction for a woman no matter how many chores she does for me, this does not hold true if you genderswap it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 08:52 PM
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It wouldn't be unattractive, that is where the difference is. It would be attraction neutral and relationship positive. Whereas for some reason, it turns women off when you do shit with them / for them. Women get turned off if their perception is that you're too available.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 08:09 PM
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The "if anything it's going to be detrimental" part is what's weird to me, I do so much random blowing women off, and it works. It doesn't make sense to me though. I don't really understand why women like that. If a woman I was otherwise into offered to come do my housework I would not be turned off in the slightest, and in fact it would make me view her as more "worshipful" of me, which increases her RMV in my perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 07:06 PM
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It's the exact opposite, I was extremely trusting and straightforward in youth and I got burned by it. RP provides a good description of how the world doesn't always work in such straightforward ways. Now I am still extremely trusting and straightforward, but I have a healthy degree of cynicism and game playing too
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 06:55 PM
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right I agree, I'm saying of course we wouldn't look to earned qualities for statements about a gender as a whole. I'm sure we can find lots of individuals who aren't disposable, both men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 06:51 PM
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Men are disposable according to RP
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 06:45 PM
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Not true, I'm sure they think certain women are not disposable due to earned qualities. You can't assign earned qualities to a gender as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 06:40 PM
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She's smart, artistic, loyal, adventurous, and low maintenance. No idea why you think RP is "all negative" toward women. One, they're realists which is seen is negative in a feels over reals mindset, and two they're just as hard if not harder towards men--they literally believe men are disposable, let that sink in for a minute
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 06:07 PM
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It's so weird to me, because if a guy friend was like "hey wanna come run errands with me," and I've got nothing else going on, I might go. Why not? The idea that it's somehow disrespectful or wasting my time -- what? I enjoy my friends company, I'd rather spend time with people I like than watch tv or play video games or whatever Now if I had something actually going on that day sure that's different. But maybe a third of the time I'll be free. It's so weird to me that someone wouldn't want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 04:59 PM
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Yeah I might not have the best argument here , but I think there's something to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 12:12 AM
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You're saying something close to "men are less pretty than women" which is a mistake as men's attractiveness isn't measured in "pretty" as much as women's is I see plenty of women with dudes who are way more outgoing than them, for example
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 11:38 PM
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Women do not date down. Historically 60-70% of men reproduce. 90% of women did. If women dated down in any meaningful way, the number of men who reproduced could not be this much lower than the number of women who reproduce QED. Come at me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 09:27 PM
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It's good advice generally but you can have success doing the opposite too -- be imposing, ask for favors, talk about yourself all the time. The people who stick around through that generally backwards rationalize their way to "I like this guy"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 08:59 PM
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it's an insult , it has the same purpose as any other insult, which is to make the target feel bad
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 06:33 PM
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the other post is acting like I'm saying groping is okay It's not that at all It's just that the dry spell was worse
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 04:47 PM
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It's a mixed bag One LTR you experiment a lot and learn things Lots of people, you explore the wide range of human emotion
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 05:47 AM
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She finds beta to pay it off, all is right in the world, no? He's free to make the decision
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 05:46 AM
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I've had both happen, I know the difference, I stick to my point. What happened in that dry spell was incredibly dark, I didn't know your whole worldview and perspective could even change like that in a few months
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 02:00 AM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 01:50 AM
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Yeah but I know you're taken!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 01:20 AM
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Do you attend crowded places often? It happens all the time at festivals and concerts, crowded subways, men, women, whatever -- people are handsy. It happens. With the dry spell, around the 6 month mark is where I started getting "weird," like my thought processes changed, I started identifying with foreveralone types, I got depressed, I started seriously doubting basically my whole identity, I've always been fairly successful in life and, I started to conceive of myself instead as something lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 01:16 AM
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it's a good line, I say it to my girlfriend all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 12:56 AM
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I disagree I learned SO MUCH MORE in 2 years of being single and dating all different kinds of women than I did in 12 years of committed relationships to 2 different women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 12:54 AM
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I waited 6 months to have sex with someone once. Of course we were 15. I think it's reasonable if the poster is really young
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 12:52 AM
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I have. I got shot down all 16 times. Ouch
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 12:45 AM
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I think certain groups of people who cannot read subtle social signals are creating a "cult of verbalization," but by and large normies don't like that shit and it is a major turn off to them However, it seems like both of your examples are not part of the "cult of verbalization." Giving someone a command for them to do isn't the same as stating what you'd like to do before doing it. The former is extremely dominant, the latter is fairly submissive, it comes across as uncertain and weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 12:18 AM
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Sounds like you just read the situation wrong tbh, she wasn't ready for the kiss More likely than a broader trend at play
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 12:09 AM
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So they say
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/17 12:04 AM
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Yeah, that makes sense. I see what you're saying now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 11:34 PM
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Wow what
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 11:30 PM
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LOL yup When I was younger feminists absolutely perplexed me because they'd rant and rave about what pieces of shit chads are, and then pursue them almost exclusively
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 11:30 PM
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And even what you've said here is just what's most likely Bloop women could believe in traditional roles An RPW might not
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 11:27 PM
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I've been groped by a stranger a few times, and I've had a 7-8 month dry spell with no intimate contact beyond a hug. The dry spell was much worse, orders of magnitude
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 09:07 PM
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Man you've done a real 180
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 09:03 PM
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It's such an absurd scenario we can't really know If murder had no consequences would people murder? What would that society even look like? What would people who'd lived in that for generations act like? It's too far afield
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 09:01 PM
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There is a certain kind of touch that's generally socially acceptable, but it's very highly context dependent Shoulder is often safe But on the dance floor , in the right circumstance, I've grabbed girls hips or lower back after brief eye contact or a couple seconds of dancing, and it was not an issue. I read the situation and it was OK
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:58 PM
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"Groping random women" is actually "reading incredibly vague and fast changing cues which indicate a woma is receptive to being grabbed." It is hard as shit to learn, and even when you get good at it you will likely still get it wrong some times. That said in certain venues, people are not uptight assholes who read every mistake as a rape and they're generally just gonna say "no" or "fuck off" and get on with their life. I think you're taking an incredibly nuanced issue, writing all the nuance o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:51 PM
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It isn't my responsibility to make sure she only responds to nice and polite methods of attraction. If a woman likes men who treat her like shit, I'll play that role
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:45 PM
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Yeah I'm the same; I don't think sex with other women counts and I have zero concerns with my SO banging women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:36 PM
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We're mostly monogamous, we like to go out and get flirty and pick up girls, we like to chase threesomes, and occasionally if we meet the right girl, we'll date her a little more seriously, like go on trips together and stuff. It's something like "casual romance." Sometimes I use the term poly but only in the loosest sense, we are not actually poly. It's fun , that's the appeal. I feel ALIVE during a threesome, like I am so sexually awesome. Also I love the group sex dynamic of it, use your imag…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:32 PM
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I don't consider SAHM to be a real job because there is no accountability to anyone If I could just do my job however the fuck I felt like doing it , and nobody could ever call me on it unless I let someone die or something, no clients, no bosses, no professional reputation to maintain--that's a completely different species than what people who work for money do Anyway, SAHD is the proper comparison to SAHM. Your comparison there is off. If you want to talk about single "stay at home men," the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:23 PM
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Yeah there are a lot of idiots on the TRP sub Among other things, I once saw a highly upvoted post about how you can tell a virgin by the way her vagina "pops" when you penetrate it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:05 PM
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Why on earth would a woman ever have a child with a man who couldn't support it Humanity never ceases to amaze me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:03 PM
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IBR doesn't discharge for 25 years, and you still have to pay the taxes on the gains. It's 10 years tax free for full time public sector employees, but those fields need all the help they can get, they are having a lot of trouble attracting quality people bc the pay is so far below market Maybe he government should grant those loans with a little more business sense tho
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 08:00 PM
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Ever considered going expat? I have a few friends who live in third world countries doing similar work, basically when they come back here for a few months they're living it up. Also they live it up over there bc everything's dirt cheap. Maybe that lifestyle lends itself more to people without kids tho. Although who knows, those guys also get all their medical care over there bc again, it's dirt cheap Anyway, great write up , I appreciate the details. It seems like your sort of economic activity…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 07:56 PM
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LOL I don't have tunnel vision I can look at an entire girl
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 12:39 AM
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Hottest girl I ever dated was BPD Would not do it again I would bang her tho
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 11:48 PM
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I have no idea how many there actually are, but I see them all the time on tinder, that's what prompted my inquiry. I'm actually shocked that it's as high as 1/3 of single moms, I thought it would be MUCH lower
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 11:09 PM
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I'm a regular at my gym , I know who is there to lift and who is there to screw around Also there are ways to tell, e.g. Neck musculature, facial definition, forearms -- those all look a little pudgy on skinny fat people
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 10:16 PM
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I don't realize how common skinny fat is? Dude I'm a gym rat , I absolutely know how common it is, and I know what it looks like where are you going with this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 08:31 PM
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Thanks I appreciate the details like that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 08:12 PM
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Jesus selling food stamps is a felony?! Man I kno people who have bought them to save money on grocery LOL I never would've thought of that as up there with rape and murder
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 08:11 PM
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You need to differentiate between Thin, no muscle (skinny) Thin, with muscle (fit) Not thin (fat) Anyway hip size is in large part independent of those, sure some of it is fat deposit but the size of the underlying bones is what matters, at least for human sized hips, of course any women with 50" hips or whatever is going to be a disgusting fat ass
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 07:26 PM
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I really don't, that's the explicit question I'm asking, how do they live
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 07:21 PM
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If they're poor how do they have money to be out clubbing and going to festivals and on vacations Also I've heard makeup is really expensive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 07:19 PM
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It's awarded as a lottery? Seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 07:16 PM
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Yup, a lot of these girls have their image together, their instagrams look pretty cool, they have recent pictures of them out doing fun stuff. They don't seem particularly "poor" as I'd imagine it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 05:05 PM
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I'm asking about SAHMs who are single
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 05:01 PM
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I'll give a woman a couple passes on emotionality a month Hell there's typically one or two days per month where my girlfriend is a total mess, I am okay with that, that's what women do, I've learned to handle it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 03:20 PM
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I just don't get it Can they not look at a picture of her?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 03:15 PM
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No I know, I'm being sarcastic To me that is one of the weirder memes to come out of fat acceptance because it's so clearly untrue
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 02:53 PM
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Just my experience but it seems like a perky and fit booty is pretty common especially if she has big hips
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 02:52 PM
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Yup, fit girls definitely have ass, it's just firm and defined rather than cellulitey and gross
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 03:25 AM
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Right? LOL yeah Marilyn Monroe was a total fattie
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 02:39 AM
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I obviously prefer fit women with attractive faces But if I had to pick, I'd pick fit over fat. Fat girls just can't move the same, fat people are stinky, they can't keep up in sports and dancing, etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 02:28 AM
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Ah yeah, true Some people don't consider that a selfie
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 02:09 AM
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Is it any kind of selfie? I think it's weird to take vain selfies, but when I'm in party mode I'll take lots of selfies either with people I'm partying with or I'll get group shots where I'm taking the pic Seems like most people appreciate the memory
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 01:54 AM
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Women are so weird Sometimes my girlfriend will pick fights just so I physically shut her down and take her Not uncommon at all IME The bluepill/feminist world never taugh me about that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 01:42 AM
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What is practical about any of this, we are discussing theory
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 04:27 AM
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I don't identify as RP anywhere except here I don't even talk about this stuff anywhere but here
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 03:32 AM
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Me, I actually found this place from TBP I flaired as purple when I got here but I switched to red because I think "RP with nuance" is still RP
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 03:31 AM
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It's basically just showing that men find the vast majority of women attractive absent some major disqualifier. IMO there is a difference between disqualifiers that you choose like being overweight or shaving your head, and disqualifiers that you have no control over like height or race. It is a meaningful distinction
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 03:28 AM
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Likewise on most of the fem centric subs, it's heresy to say that women have an easier time finding casual partners I got into an argument about whether that was misogynistic the other day LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 01:17 AM
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She is inherently less attractive because she has a disease, but if the markers of disease are there (no hair) I'm still going to treat her the same way If 70% of women shaved their heads and OP had said "what percentage of women with hair would you bang?" Id consider it a valid question because I see value in narrowing the question to exclude women who are not participating
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 12:08 AM
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But if it's the end of the night anyway and you're half drunk and it's only like a 5 minute walk back home... it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 11:05 PM
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Because it's easily changeable All women could be not fat if they wanted there is no such thing as "fat from a disease," literally every single person who is overweight is overweight due to overeating
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 10:31 PM
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Even without the oppression olympics, I think it could be useful because I think you could say something like "people who choose to be overweight more or less opt out of the SMP, I'm only interested in people who want to be counted."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 10:15 PM
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It's removing unattractive women who are unattractive because of an easily solved problem. Come on don't play dumb. Every one of those fat women could be not fat with a little portion control. Sizable eh? Are you trolling me? Can you really not see the implication of the vast majority of women who put in a little effort being attractive? Clue: the bar for men is much higher than that I don't like doing oppression Olympics but it seems like that's where op is going with it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 10:07 PM
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They are severely mentally ill people, I don't consider them as part of the SMP. They are extreme outliers for whom RP generalizations don't apply. That said they are entitled to basic human dignity of course, but I'm not really concerned with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 09:53 PM
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It's because the numbers are vastly different, it's a different specific question. If you asked of overweight or greater women, I'd probably say like 30% or so. It's that the categories are just so different Anyway keeping a healthy weight is incredibly simple all you have to do is not overeat. If someone can't even do that, you have to wonder how seriously they're interested in even participating in the SMP. I think OPs point is likely that most men are interested in the vast majority of women …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 09:50 PM
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Because fat people smell like fat people, their movements look weirdly non-human in some kind of uncanny valley territory, they can't keep up in sport or in dancing or in the bedroom People these days just let themselves go to shit. So sad!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 09:32 PM
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Just for sex? Like 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 09:28 PM
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I made a post about "change her mood not her mind" thinking it'd be panned by bluepillers, but mostly everyone agreed with it. I've never once seen that sort of thing mentioned in mainstream articles as THE way to deal with the vast majority of relationship problems, in my bluepill life everyone told me you were supposed to take all of a woman's complaints seriously. (Or conversely, some men told me never to take women's complaints seriously, but my family steered me away from that advice, so I …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 05:23 PM
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Yeah you really have to be careful even when you mention that you've noticed external forces, people frequently interpret it as whining
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/17 09:38 PM
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I'm liberal because I was without employment for about six months and it was absolutely terrifying not having any health insurance, I think the legal regime surrounding health care is completely captured by industry and needs serious reform The other social safety nets are shit as well No I don't have anything against the religious but I do tend to view them as somewhat simple and "magical thinking" people
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/17 06:02 PM
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It goes back to an overarching theme of Redpill: male vs female imperatives. Women want the best partner, men want many partners The reason this is an important distinction is because monogamous marriage is a trade off for both men and women. Men are supposed to agree to put aside other partners, women are supposed to put aside the search for a better partner. Both sides give up something as part of the deal Now the modern trend seems to be to redefine that marriage bargain as one in which each …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/17 02:42 AM
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My point is that the concept of hypergamy extends to more than just picking the best partner -- it is something like "love for the best partner." For example it's much more common for women to experience something like "I only have eyes for you" with a man that they deeply respect. And women will very rarely cheat on a high SMV man with a lower SMV man just to get some strange. I suppose if you want to limit the concept of hypergamy to "best mate possible" then I guess men are hypergamous too, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/17 02:05 AM
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Men are polygamous, not hypergamous Men generally prefer to add partners to their harem, whereas women would generally prefer to trade out for the better partner. Very few women would prefer to just take a second (and third and fourth) lover every time they meet a new willing person. A great many men do just that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 10:48 PM
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It's a higher risk higher reward strategy, it seems like a woman respects you more if she knows you have other options and if you don't commit immediately, and that has implications for how she'll treat you later down the road
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 10:42 PM
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LOL all you have to do to "take a woman off the dating market" is give her the bomb dick and make her fall for you. No commitment required Women are generally hypergamous, not polygamous
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 09:05 PM
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I think what RP says is "don't be the guy who immediately gives her commitment because you'll be in a bad power position if you do." I guess that aligns with your view- guys typically do this, and it puts them in a worse position in relation to the woman they're pursuing. Accordingly, women would generally be well served to date these type of men rather than men who don't offer commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 09:03 PM
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I've lived in country and city too, city people are just as exclusionary, they're simply exclusionary to different people Oddly enough, as much as I see myself as a city person, I've found that country people are much more likely to treat me as one of their own
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 08:43 PM
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For example big cities are filled with artistic people that have rather unique personalities, towns are filled with clones that try to fit in. You're being super self centered here, lots of country people think the same thing about city people. In reality both just live a lifestyle more adapted to their particular locale
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 04:40 PM
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I've got a couple friends who are really into pickup, one makes his living as a dating coach. I've also got a handful of friends and acquaintances who are moderately active feminists, they post a lot of feminist crap in Facebook and do a little activism irl, but socially they're completely normal people. I have one friend who is a serious feminist and it makes her socially weird. Most people I know though, they don't care about this stuff and would rather talk about beer or hiking or whatever I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 04:29 PM
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I learned all this stuff in my mid 20s when I had a phase of going out and learning to pick up women. Found TRP like 2-3 years after that, it made sense. I think there are a lot of idiots on the sub but by and large the theory reflects what I've seen
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 04:04 PM
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This sounds familiar, but it wasn't as extreme
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 06:13 AM
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Solid write up, I would add that there is a place where a wife should receive admiration and deference: in the way that she handles feminine matters. Both partners should be absolutely certain that she's better at feminine stuff, and that he's better at masculine stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 04:26 AM
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2 and 3 are about equal, it's a matter of personal taste. 3 is hotter to me, but a lot of guys would prefer 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 04:41 AM
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I like fit girls, I'm pretty fit and athletic and I like a girl who's about that life. Also I'm kinda rough in the bedroom, I like to wrestle around and I like a fit girl who thinks she might be able to win for like half a second before I overpower her
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 04:32 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/hopeisabelhoward/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 03:02 AM
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100% this, it is deserving of its own post IMO. Lots of guys' opinions of what women want is informed by media rather than by going out and observing for themselves what women want, and working with the feedback women give them The result is as you described there
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 02:31 AM
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You can't be serious
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 12:44 AM
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Absolutely disagree, based on my experience more women are into rough men who look like savage animals , not perfectly composed pretty boys
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 12:29 AM
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Why were literally no bodybuilders that big before steroids were a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/17 11:38 PM
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I have options, what I care about is: Does she act like a stereotypical HUGE SLUT ? Does she seem about as experienced as me, or a little less? Does she do what I want in bed? Do I trust her? If she passes those tests I'm good , I really don't even care about the exact number and I'd rather not know
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 11:32 PM
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What does this even mean
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 11:29 PM
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I distinctly remember several cases of this in school, my notes are on the computer back home tho, I'll see if I can't find it and comment when I get back home in a few days
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 11:21 PM
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While I agree with you, I don't think it's "equal" or "fair", I think a lot of women expect average guys to act like above average guys, it isn't realistic
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 08:01 AM
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Hmm yeah this is accoring to friends, from what they said the ex wife just up and left and there was nothing they could do. What you're saying puts a little more to it, but ultimately it's consistent with what they were telling me - there isn't really anything they could do, and now they see their kids a few times a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 10:11 PM
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Well if OP is strictly about financials, then OP isn't looking at the whole picture, there's more to it I think the explanation discussed in the second part of your comment could maybe be correct
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 09:14 PM
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Hm yeah I think that's the issue -- whether you define "better" strictly in terms of money, or whether there are other non-monetary ways that women are coming out better For example it's crazy that a partial custodial parent can just up and leave with the kids, how does that make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 09:01 PM
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If women came out better than men in divorce, we'd expect them to divorce more often than men. There's no reason "better" has to be defined strictly in terms of money, it can be a combination of money and other factors
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 08:58 PM
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You're ignoring the fact that it's women who choose divorce Women wouldn't overwhelmingly be the ones to choose divorce if divorces were equal. If it were equal, then we'd expect men and women to choose them equally. As it stands, women choose divorce because they come out better
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 08:20 PM
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Finishing up my last day of work before I take a bit of vacation!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 02:54 AM
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xNTJ crew checking in, what's up bro
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 02:20 AM
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One useful frame work for viewing the world, among many such frameworks
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 02:19 AM
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Yeah, that makes sense. Weird that I couldn't see it from that perspective. I was super committed to her and willing to put up with anything but you're right that I probably wouldn't have stayed that way as my situation improved
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:44 PM
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Hah yeah that's true , it really does depend on the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:42 PM
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I guess she couldn't have known that, but I landed a really awesome job like 2-3 months after she left, the writing was on the wall that I was going to get it at the time but we were sorta waiting for the pieces to fall into place. After that I started pulling my life together Anyway like I said, it's bizarre to me. Maybe she had low expectations of what life would be like once I got that job , who knows
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:34 PM
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haha that's dark! Basically saying she liked having a guy who couldn't leave
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:26 PM
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I predict a lack of True Scotsmen in this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:59 PM
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Hmmm, yeah I can see it that way now
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:24 PM
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Yeah but right before that she says Men have a good point in being worried about penis size because it matters to women, I couldn't really tell which way she's going there
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:19 PM
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even if your cmv is true , it is still useless for a man to worry about this, all his worry will ever do is hold him back, his worries will not be beneficial for him in any way whatsoever
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:09 PM
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It's not like it was just the money though, like in every way my life is better now, I'm less stressed out, I have lots of free time for friends and hobbies, I'm healthier, fitter, etc And in general women are much more into me now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:06 PM
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Actually the time she knew me was probably when I was in the worst shape of my life, eating disgusting food, well into overweight bmi, with reduced muscle mass bc I rarely lifted and was stressed out all the time, drinking too much, etc etc I was much more attractive a year after she left than a year before
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 09:03 PM
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I've seen this go both ways IMO if you're a very masculine man, sometimes you can bring out the sweet feminine side of an otherwise hard woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:27 PM
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It's so weird to me , why on earth would she pair up with me through my worst years and then leave before she got my good years It doesn't make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 08:05 PM
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Right, that and using it as a binary absolute , I just don't understand people who conceive of it those ways "Well I'm not an alpha so I'll never get laid" LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:59 PM
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That's what happened to me, with one of my long time exes, and I for the life of me don't know why she left. She's like an unhappy Cat lady now. The years have not been kind to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 07:28 PM
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24
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:55 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if it's better to shield kids with borderline cases from even being diagnosed, all it's gonna do is give them a complex and some weird "mental illness" identity
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:39 PM
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Went to the UMC HS in my town, saw this same thing with all the guys from my school and even took part in it myself to some degree, this was like 20 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 06:35 PM
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That's fair
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 04:51 PM
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I usually think of it as "business", I just think that's the more generally used sense of the word, not many teachers think of themselves as "career women," except maybe in a strict technical sense of the word. It has a certain connotation
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 04:26 PM
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That's fair, but those jobs aren't my general image of a "career-minded" person
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 04:11 PM
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To an extent, but it's mostly my responsibility to manage it myself
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 04:10 PM
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I think so, the wife goggles are a thing. For me I do appreciate that I'm getting her youth Although people are bound to change and if she "jumped to the masculine stock" in her 30s as you say I guess I'd have to "roll with the punches" so to speak
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 05:49 AM
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I appreciate the insight, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 05:43 AM
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two possible reasons: (1) my best relationships have been with women whose skill sets landed them in more caring occupations -- childcare, teaching, the arts (2) I think people in business are just colder in general , they're able to harden their hearts and make mean decisions, they generate their livelihood from doing so, I generate my livelihood from doing so, and I know what it's like to do it Like I said above, it's a FEAR that these types of women would grow cold in time, I don't have any c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 05:41 AM
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Hmm that's fair. I do see dealing with her stress as my responsibility at least to some extent, I mean to some extent she shouldn't put that on me--but everybody needs a helping hand some times. I think what I want is "balanced" but not necessarily equal. Like ideally a good marriage is a partnership where we each bring complimentary strengths and weaknesses in different areas
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 05:37 AM
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A+ crazy dystopian nightmare proposal
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 05:30 AM
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She doesn't have to stay looking young, that would be a cruel and unrealistic expectation. I'll have memories of our youth together and we'll (hopefully) have the kids by then
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 05:19 AM
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yeah I mean I deal with those type people all the time at work; they're all super hard. Why would I want that in my home? I'm really asking LOL, I'm sure someone here can remind us of the advantages
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 05:17 AM
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I'm not following -- you're saying the supply of women like that doesn't meet the demand for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 05:05 AM
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It seems like successful women with "good jobs" are so much more frigid tho, my fear is that those types of women are more likely to end up in loveless situations that lead to divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 04:55 AM
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Why is it unfair? Some people would love that position, maybe working 10-20 hours a week making crafts to sell and spending the rest of the time keeping house and being super loving. The truth is there are lots of women who will be extremely happy living that sort of life
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 04:53 AM
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Right, lots of guys want a division of labor not some kind of dual-income powerhouse. What do we need all that extra money for, I'd rather find a partner who keeps a great house and focuses all her energy on loving me than have a bunch of extra money to buy a giant house that we can fill up with useless shit
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 04:50 AM
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Why on earth would I want to hire that person , they're nothing but risk for me. I expect that people will protect their own interests
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:55 PM
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Sounds like her problem
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:25 PM
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Pussy Parade
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:00 PM
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why are racism/sexism/homophobia bad? I'd never have expected someone to say they're bad because the protected classes are actually risky bets and society needs someone to subsidize them Wow
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:50 PM
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LOL why is it wrong? If im running that business , all things equal I'd prefer the person with fewer risks So long as there is no legal protected status involved I'm fully within my rights to minimize the risks however I like My sole goal is to maximize my own profit, it isn't to employ risky employees
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:38 PM
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I think a more realistic view is that AFBB is a pattern that many women engage in, and that you should take care not to get caught in that pattern with one of those women--you're better off marrying a young woman who thinks you're worth it because she's putting "skin in the game" in a way that a 30 year old isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 09:59 PM
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Hmmm yeah, that point is well taken, I think you've got me there. This is what happens when I start giving one-off theories!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 09:04 PM
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Well if you look at someone and they're obese , you can immediately tell they're not putting in the effort of counting macros diligently Similarly you can tell a lot about a persons lifestyle just by looking at them, at worst it's an educated guess
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 09:01 PM
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No I don't mean they're otherwise unemployed; however it is their primary job, that's where the bring the most value in to their household. She might be working at McDonald's or ubering for some extra cash but she doesn't really identify with that as a useful skill or anything And as for the other jobs they work to make some money, I don't think people really stereotype low end, low skill jobs as really telling you much about a person, maybe only that the person doesn't have any marketable skill…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:55 PM
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Ahh! Gotcha. Yeah women escape that a lot because they are generally housewives as a main occupation and my one-off theory is that the stereotypes of housewives are so widely varied that it's kinda hard to pin someone down--they could be like "welfare mom" all the way to "keeps a fine home" so you can't really generalize very easily
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:31 PM
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Yeah I was speaking colloquially, my bad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:29 PM
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Good sex requires graceful movement If she's just flopping all around, as fat people often confuse with graceful movement, it isn't good sex. Fat people often think they move just like everyone else, but the plain fact is that their slow and uncontrolled movements are kinda gross
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:17 PM
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Maybe so, but often you're only worth to others what you can do for them-- and the type of work you do to make a living is generally going to be the most marketable thing you can do for others. So it isn't like this sort of prejudgment just comes up out of thin air, on the contrary it directly relates to your usefulness
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:21 PM
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I agree with you to an extent but I think you're underestimating how much people, especially Americans, define (and stereotype) a person by the type of work he does Edit--precision of language
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:14 PM
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I disagree. People respect a lawyer's ability to bullshit and to manipulate the truth. People have no idea what a software engineer even does. So when people are coming up with pre-formed judgments about a person based on their job, the lawyer gets all kinds of credit. The software guy people think "oh a nerd."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:04 PM
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And yet, lots of people will give those people social status based on their work Right or wrong, they have status
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:53 PM
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it is polarizing, which is a good thing if you know how to work it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:52 PM
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No I don't work with handicapped people or anything like that, I wrote that because I am very movement oriented during sex, I like to pick women up, toss them around, carry them, flip them over, etc etc. It is much more difficult to do this with someone with excess body fat. Do you dance much? Someone's ability to dance gracefully is generally a good indicator of how finely they can move their body. And generally fat girls just don't move the same as fit girls. Anyway, the idea that humans only …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:49 PM
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do you think social class is solely derived from income? If so, you're wrong. Social class is a function of (among other things) income, education, and the amount of respect that people give you. Even a low end doctor or lawyer still gets respect based on his work in a way that an uber driver or a street vendor does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:42 PM
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I do have actual experience with fat people, they move all super slowly, their movements are not graceful or precise, and further they're much harder for me to move in any kind of graceful or precise way I'm surprised that someone is actually arguing this because from my perspective saying that fat people are unable to move normally is like saying "water is wet"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:31 PM
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Morbidly obese people rarely move gracefully, anyone who believes otherwise must have some kind of problem with identifying normal human movements
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:10 PM
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Are you trolling me? What claim are you making about American Indians?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 05:27 PM
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Yup exactly that: how sad that she's letting her beauty go to waste
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 05:15 AM
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Cultures that have given any sex appeal to women -- the women were at most "overweight" as classified by modern medicine. And this was at a time when it would be rare to see anyone over bmi 22-23 or so. No society has ever idealized anyone a figure with bmi 35+
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 05:14 AM
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270 is so disgustingly morbidly obese, in my experience that's well past when people stop being able to properly engage in the physical act of sex The only person who would not have a preference against this is someone who didn't know better
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 05:09 AM
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Software engineer has like ZERO social status though. Take the same guy and make them like a doctor or a lawyer or even a cop and they'd play the role corresponding to their status It seems like you're neglecting the interplay between social hierarchy and economic/class hierarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:45 AM
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Right? It is extraordinarily easy to be dominant from a position of power or submissive from a position of weakness I think power dynamics are incredibly interesting and complicated, and that is part of why I don't like the a/b terminology. That said it does have some utility
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:44 AM
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My biggest issue that is that it's an unclear terminology. People use t to mean the following: attractive vs not attractive assertive vs timid leader vs follower dominant vs submissive These are all separate concepts and while they align some times, they're distinct enough that this terminology is confusing Anyway I don't deny the underlying concepts , but I do think sometimes people are talking past each other
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:42 AM
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Talking shit about specific men, usually with a pic and some commentary. I find it pretty distasteful, it's like if I sat around posting pics of obese women and talking shit about them. What good comes of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 08:20 PM
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LOL You have to take this stuff in context , every time I have seen this phrase used it was by feminists talking shit about men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 07:46 PM
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You're going overboard about instagram Lots of men have photography as a hobby It isn't "social androgyny" it's just a popular photography app
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 06:18 PM
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"Fragile masculinity" is just the latest line of attack from feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 06:08 PM
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Right exactly that however I do think it translates to the bar scene to a certain degree, when I show up there I have an image and it sets me apart, at least enough to distinguish me from some guy in a Budweiser shirt and Levi's. Basically it gives me something to work with, a foot in the door. If I can get that "in," I can spit some game, eventually I'll find a woman who is receptive to it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:56 AM
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I believe in equality before the law , I think behind that you're looking at things that are not equal or at least will not be equal in my lifetime
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:38 AM
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That's fair, but as we've already established "social status" is a huge category, to the point where it's useful to distinguish the type of status held by frat boy Chad and musician Gary and some other guys, I personally play on "nature guy" and "spiritually enlightened man" archetypes quite a bit and it's worked for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:34 AM
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I like the way you broke out high social status there, that illustrates the value of being fun in a very particular way, it is making me think a bit. Anyway, one other archetype would be the artist/musician ladies man, he is generally not what I'd think of as a Chad. He isn't necessarily even very outgoing or masculine, but he still gets plenty of women Another example, although I'm sure someone will dispute this but whatever, is like a cable guy or contractor who bangs a lot of women solely by …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:20 AM
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LOL a "limiting face," that turn of phrase made me laugh Seriously though maybe so? A mans life involves taking rejections , I'm coming to terms with that, it is what it is. Do what you can to maximize your potential, after that it's out of your hands
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:06 AM
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Oh yeah totally, as I posted above I agree with the idea of objective attractiveness and think that Chad is one archetype (among many) of a sexually successful man
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:03 AM
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yup I haven't seen their materials in a long time but I always did like the way Owen described a limiting belief. Anyway I don't think redpill tells you not to approach women if you don't think your looks are up to snuff, they'd probably tell you that you should approach her if you're interested because a man with a strong frame knows what he wants and takes action accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 02:50 AM
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Yeah while I agree with the OP's message to some extent, I don't believe it's literally true, I believe that most men are grossed out by morbidly obese women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 02:36 AM
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Right? I've had people here tell me I'm a Chad because I can get laid off tinder or in bars, it's times like this I wish I could show my goofy ass pictures because I'm assuredly not a Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 02:30 AM
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I've always looked at is like this -- Chad is one archetype of sexually successful man, he is an easy one for inexperienced guys to understand because he also aligns with pop media images of sexually successful men and almost every guy went to a high school where he knew a Chad. But there are obviously other archetypes , and lots of them are actually much better models for nerdy guys to style themselves after, frankly I don't know why some guys get so hung up on Chad worship, my guess is that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 02:24 AM
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It's a limiting belief. Even if it were true that women only cared about looks, you'd still be better off believing the falsehood that ugly men can still get laid. Or even just believing that you personally are the shit regardless of what you look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 01:54 AM
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You can say anything in a fun or silly way, just as how you can say anything in a neutral or boring way. Text isn't the best for explaining this but surely you understand the concept
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 06:29 PM
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Dang, you're so negative! I'd say most people I meet have their own special and unique ways of looking at the world. It really is a pleasure to get a glimpse of so many people's world like that, it's one of my favorite parts of dating. Sure I could be a cynic or a nihilist and say it's all the same or nothing really matters, but to me, the little differences are the stuff that life is made of. Merry Christmas :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 06:04 PM
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I don't think it's supposed to be an opener but more like something you'd say while flirting, I think the other poster specified that above
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:59 PM
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So weird, who teases as a way of "undermining someone's confidence", teases aren't supposed to be real insults
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 05:58 PM
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Yeah I don't think it's like a super great line or anything, but in general it's easy to read stuff as awkward
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 10:09 PM
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Hmm I've always thought of negging as an "edgy" way to describe teasing I didn't think it included an "undermine her confidence" element Anyway I still think someone could say "your roots are showing" in a teasing playful way
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 09:18 PM
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What a convoluted explanation. There is a much simpler one: the car is fun. I bought a fun car when I could afford one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 09:15 PM
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You're just reading it in a harsh way Say it in a silly voice if that helps
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:14 PM
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Can't CYV because this is accurate AF I've never really seen it broken down like this but this is basically how I learned to talk to women, it's weird as fuck What's even weirder to me is the women here denying it, like maybe I'm willing to admit that not all women respond well to this but in my experience learning to do this was a total game changer
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:06 PM
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I played high school football, I played frosh soph and JV but I did not make the varsity team. I love football, it is an amazing game, really strategic game in a way that I really enjoy. I watch football regularly, it's sort of a big part of my life at least during football season. I'm not the type of guy that knows every stat of every player but I keep up with my team and division at least. Something else is that I absolutely love the tribalism of it, we don't really have a healthy outlet for u…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 02:35 AM
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I agree While internet communities like TRP have made me realize that all in all I do pretty well with women, I pretty much always thought I sucked because I wasn't getting the kind of pussy parade my friends were getting
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 08:02 PM
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Bouncer? I would consider that pretty high status for a particular subculture
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 07:49 PM
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In my experience theres a wide range; some women will make it easy, some will make it hard, some will pull bitchy shit tests, some will act uninterested, some will try to lead when they don't want to be led, some will lead because they're naturally dominant, etc etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 07:46 PM
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You seem to be denying the existence of bitchy women Some women crave drama, if they get bored they'll act bitchy to get it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 07:40 PM
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Usually it's due to a clear and pronounced change in behavior after they find out My first experience with this was in college, when I first had kind of a "status-y" job. It freaked my out because suddenly I was getting female attention and interest in me. People I didn't know were just assuming I was cool and interesting when I hadn't done anything to deserve such a reputation. But there's always a kind of neediness to it that I learned to sort of feel coming off them, that they want something …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 01:26 AM
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I'm smaller than that , pretty small tbh Just act like you are that big, physically dominate spaces as if you had your dream body or whatever. UMC guys will never fight you over it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 08:22 PM
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On the whole people are very willing to tolerate a little bullshit here and there when it comes with great power
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 08:18 PM
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What's your idea of a good shoulder:hip ratio Mine isn't that great but I do just fine, also I'm kinda ectomorphic and my face is near ugly territory Women don't judge this stuff super harshly if you've got presence
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 07:45 PM
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Lots of people want a piece of my status I'd imagine it's like that but more intense/thirsty
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 07:01 PM
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Power games and ego Powerful people love talking about the things that make them powerful
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:42 PM
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Read it for a couple weeks, it almost always has fat logic pulled from the MSM
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:37 PM
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It is relevant because hypergamy is a focus on "the one" partner, it's why when most women are "in love," they only have eyes for their partner and they stop lookin at other guys so much, it's why women generally cheat as a way of branch swinging into the next relationship rather than just to screw around Men on the other hand are polygamists who are much more interested in constant sexual variety. Men will fuck almost anyone just because she's new, she can be 10x worse than the current partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:36 PM
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Your idea of what TRP looks like in real life is a caricature Those guys could be aggressive as fuck for all we know TRP principles work even for guys who float in alt circles
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:32 PM
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That is not true at all I would rather add women to my rotation than ditch my current partner for them, this is extremely common for men, men are polygamists not hypergamists
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:22 PM
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I don't understand why you say that appearance has no value to women, women spend A LOT of time and money on their appearance
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:20 PM
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/r/fatlogic
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:19 PM
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What you consider a far extreme outlier is given positive coverage in mainstream media It's laughable that incels would EVER be treated like that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:18 PM
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It is only good when used from a position of power If used from a position of weakness , people will assume you're using it manipulatively regardless of your actual intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:05 PM
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Bullshit. Being nice is not a baseline for anything. Women will fuck guys who are the exact opposite of nice, and if you're too nice without power and status to back it up, being nice will work against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:03 PM
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Here we are, back to "yeah but most relationships are shitty"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 06:01 PM
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So you don't believe there is a such thing as attractive male behaviors? Like social dominance and that sort of thing? How do men rise up in a hierarchy of other men? What characteristics do you believe differentiate these men from one another? Do you think men judge each other by how hot they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 03:35 AM
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All women have a female nature, distinct from a male nature, to varying degrees. Women think and act differently than men. Their behaviors and thought patterns are not completely different or incomprehensible like a different species, but they're somewhat different nonetheless. I believe it because it makes intuitive sense and it aligns with my experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 07:17 PM
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Gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 07:06 PM
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TRP isn't meant for them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 07:00 PM
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LOL so your advice is just for those guys to suck it up and know their place basically
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 06:58 PM
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The "wall" is not the best turn of phrase, it would be more accurately described as a slope. I guess the "wall" aspect of it is that women often don't realize they've passed their prime until it's gone, they don't realize just how much of the credit they get is from their youthful beauty, so it can be quite a shock, like hitting a wall. I generally agree with the concept but really not the best example of packaging a message well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 06:43 PM
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The default is being treated as a man. Being treated as a woman is a special status, higher and above this. Being treated like a man is a low baseline, it's basically having your humanity acknowledged and then your status comes from your achievements. Non passing trans people get treated like men. Meaning, they get their humanity acknowledged but anything more than that will depend on what they've done. My point is, it doesn't really matter if she "passed" or not. Other women who reject their ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:22 PM
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Most universities have General Ed requirements that include arts classes
/r/TheRedPill20/12/16 04:35 PM
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Most people will talk about what they want Just make a note about it in your phone when they do Even the dumbest person can do this regardless of gender
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 03:22 PM
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LOL literally happened with the gift I was planning to buy my girlfrien😱 Now I'm stuck with kinda crappy gifts, oh well, she did drop hints that she wanted this stuff but I'm not as excited about giving it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 03:21 PM
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It's just so out of proportion with our real lives, I have not interacted with a Muslim in over a year in real life in any significant way but I hear about them nearly every day online I'm lefty but I feel like lots of their causes are like this tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 06:53 AM
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I do not understand the left and it's relationship with Islam, what a strange cause to chain yourself to. But in general it doesn't seem like the left is picking its battles very well lately
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 03:16 AM
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Yup, there's nothing quite like a woman who has endured hardship and come out of it for the better. Most people get ruined by it, but the ones who do come out better, it's amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 08:20 PM
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Let's say you had 50 girls who were hot, nice, and employed chasing you down How would you choose which one(s)?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 08:17 PM
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If women can choose female only workplaces to get away from toxic men, why shouldn't men be able to choose male only workplaces to get away from toxic women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 08:09 PM
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You're missing the point, feminists often use this as an alternative to an argument, it is just a bare taste preference like "yucky, gross, ick"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 07:29 PM
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It is an interest group for advancing women's interest, my only real issue is that they get some people to believe they're more noble than that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 07:23 PM
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Guy A would do extremely well to imitate Guy B for a couple years
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 05:51 PM
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Here's the thing: Some women will see your performance and say " oh wow great." And some will say "OH! Wow! Great! :D" I prefer the one who really appreciates it , who knows how to appreciate good things
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 05:38 PM
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Yeah! I love that sort of thing, and it hints at her being good at keeping a presentable home later down the road. If she paints pictures and that sort of thing for me, I just love it. Right now I've got a couple of my girlfriend's pieces hanging in my house.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 05:35 PM
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You sound like a masochist! Anyway part of my opinion on this is formed from two LTRs earlier in my life. First was with an absolutely amazingly kind girl who was low maintenance but still hot, even 5 years in she was still sweet to me. The second , was extremely high maintenance and as the years wore on I grew more and more tired of putting up with her shit. We made it to about the 4 year mark at which point we were fighting constantly, life was hell, I needed out. Since then I've dated a varie…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 05:09 PM
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It seems strange to resign yourself to women being shrill as you described it. I really don't like dealing with drama, I don't like fighting and arguing. I also like someone who proactively seeks to make me happy. After living this for a couple years, it's hard to see going back as an option. How old are you? Have you been in a lot of relationships? If you've been married to a shrill bitch for 20 years already I'm sure youre used to it by now!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 04:48 PM
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Mistake IMO I'm in this for the long haul, and to be fair I'm only two years in , but I never thought I could find a woman so committed to my happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 04:30 PM
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Physically fit body. Prefer a girl who lifts and is strong, but also is small-ish and weighs little enough to pick up and toss around. If she isn't super fit then she should have giant boobs. I can give up a little on fitness in exchange for big boobs, and obviously low body fat chicks have smaller boobs. I prefer brunettes, olive skinned women but that isn't a huge deal if she's not this is probably the most flexible of my preferences and I've really only dated a couple girls like that, I've mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 03:59 PM
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The university named the 10 players, but CNN is not naming them because they were not charged with any crimes and it's not clear why they were suspended. Well this thing allegedly happened in September, the bowl game is Dec 27, it will happen once ever. Get your shit together uni Lots of guys on the college team will not get another year to play or another bowl, this could be the last game of their entire life playing competitive football. I can see suspending them if they are seriously suspecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 11:04 PM
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To be fair we are just shooting shit here on PPD and our judgments don't mean anything
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 08:04 PM
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That's fair
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 08:03 PM
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Totally a 100% solid reason to screw up someone's once in a lifetime opportunity
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 08:01 PM
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If I had to go with what's most likely, she's lying Look at the way they describe the video
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 06:53 PM
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Easily enough to create reasonable doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 06:13 PM
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Lots of people aren't going to acknowledge the crazy nonsensical nightmare that is a club slut's mind, either because it seems unreal to them or they just don't want to admit bitches be crazy While I agree with you, I think that fucking these types of bitches has a limited value, once you've done it a couple times it isn't really anything special, and it's time to move on to saner pastures
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 05:08 PM
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Maybe we could pull something from humans being a marginally polygamist species, and from harems. Threesomes have probably been a thing for a long time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:58 PM
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We are just stacking turtles at that point but yeah you're right For my purposes I'm satisfied with "it's an innate desire," that's as far down as we need to go
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:36 PM
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I don't think you can explain innate desires like that Why does food satisfy my hunger? Why does water quench my thirst?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:29 PM
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I think it's an interesting case that shows how much some people will label anything as rape, in this case we have video showing that it's not, and yet people look right past it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:24 PM
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State law there requires force or coercion for it to be rape
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:22 PM
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oh come on, there's video showing that she didn't refuse consent how much clearer case of false rape accusations can you even have
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:12 PM
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Why are 10 players suspended when at most 3 are accused of wrongdoing? Oh yeah men are disposable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:08 PM
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Sounds like solid advice
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:01 PM
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Guy who feels like he isn't getting enough sex, I think it's a pretty fluid thing. Example -- guy who is married and has sex twice a day but is freaking out because he hasn't slept with anyone new in 5 years. I'd count him as undersexed because it is clearly affecting him. I think a big part of whether a guy is undersexed is whether it affects him, for example a guy who only gets laid once a year but otherwise acts totally normal, and you couldn't tell is having any problems, I wouldn't really s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:59 PM
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I prefer to make sure everything is taken care of on my own terms. I really shouldn't need any reminding from my woman , if she's nagging me about something I've likely already failed log ago
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:05 AM
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I mean, I think of a guy who has sex all the time in a marriage as being much different from a guy who goes out and has casual sex all the time, and in many contexts id find that distinction significant, it can't all be summed up as "guy who has sex often". I consider most of those distinctions you mentioned as significant as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 12:47 AM
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That's what this thread is about, whether it is he same or not to pick up and to go see a prostitute
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 12:03 AM
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Is our understanding of the biological functions even that advanced to say it's exactly the same? I don't believe humanity understands bodily chemistry that precisely
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 11:17 PM
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You're conflating two questions: "Undersexed" generally refers to someone who can't get laid, and typically would be a valid descriptor for someone who can't get laid but still sees prostitutes a lot Biologically seeing a prostitute may perhaps not be exactly the same as getting laid by someone who desires you, there has never been a comprehensive study done on this so we don't know for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 11:15 PM
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In general prostitution is a different from actually being wanted, I don't believe we can say with certainty that it is biologically exactly the same, it certainly feels different when a woman needs me to hold her after vs when she is matter of factly done with me, how I am to know there is not some different reaction in my body in response to those situations
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 10:54 PM
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We don't know that the biological effects are exactly the same, how do you know if drowning in oxytocin afterwards and doing after-sex talk and all that shit produces the same chemical response as being told "ok times up you gotta go"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 08:45 PM
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We don't know that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 08:31 PM
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Everything I was taught growing up was about talking shit through, never assuming her feelings weren't legitimately grounded, etc Like to just say "oh yeah when she's mad she's probably just in a bad mood and if you take care of that you're good..." I would have been taught that's super disrespectful to women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 07:16 PM
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I'm surprised, I expected this to be more controversial
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 07:00 PM
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It seems like she'll do it over super trivial stuff, I couldn't in a million years get to an actually heated emotional state over something like what we're having for breakfast
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 07:00 PM
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This is super insightful and I had never thought of it from the perspective of "she's just letting it go for now, she'll keep an eye on future performance." Consider my view partially changed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:44 PM
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Like how so? Telling jokes when they're around? Being fun/funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:42 PM
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It's hard for me to understand, if I pick a fight in a given issue, it's typically only the issues that REALLY are worth fighting for, and I do it with a heavy heart knowing I might have to lose everything over what I really believe in
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:41 PM
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Hmm yeah that's true, sometimes the argument is not about the overt issue at all, it's about validation, have you ever see that video "it's not about the nail?" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:37 PM
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Probably more! I'm sure she's a natural at it whereas for me this is something I've only had the faintest idea of for a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:33 PM
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Yeah I'm not sure if this would work with a drunken car wreck, but it often seems like I'm shooting in the dark as to what issues it will or won't work on, so it's worth giving it a shot as there's generally nothing lost by trying (unlike with logical discussion) Generally I don't launch into it all at once, I've got to warm her up, to get her to the point where she'll even let me touch her, then to the point where she'll let me hold her, and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:31 PM
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In my experience, most of the time she is not very attached to her feelings and she'd rather just have me ONLY address the feelings and not the substance of the discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:28 PM
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I think it also tends to work on men who are in an emotional state, but as a straight guy it's pretty rare that I interact with guys in an emotional place. Like 10:1 if I'm doing this it's with a woman I'm involved with romantically
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:20 PM
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Yeah maybe so, but I've only heard guys say this in an extremely supplicating way, basically as an excuse to give in to her every whim
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:16 PM
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That's what is so striking about this though, is that the she often doesn't really care about the issue, she just wants me to shepherd her through it, she'd literally be happy with any direction I took it in so long as I made her happy before proposing it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:13 PM
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Yeah I think a good analogy that a lot of guys will understand is the way you feel when you're about to get in a fistfight, sometimes you just KNOW how stupid it is and you don't really want to do it, but your emotions are telling you "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT" and you almost watch yourself making stupid choices you know you'll regret
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:11 PM
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Are you xNTx type? My girlfriend is ENFx and this generally works pretty well with her
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 06:07 PM
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Generally solipsism, people thinking that the opposite sex will be attracted to the same things they themselves would be attracted to The most common one IMO is men thinking that women want to be worshipped, because most men want this and they think women want it too
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:53 PM
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I actually agree with this to an extent, if I'm in charge of X Y and Z , and you stop trusting my ability to do those, you're probably going to stop trusting me and maybe even start doing them yourself, this can be awful if XYZ are things I see myself as good at Still, I'd counter that so long as I keep my partner happy overall, she probably won't focus too much on minor things that I'm failing at
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:49 PM
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What surprises me is the depth to which it works. Like even on really super serious issues I'll get my way much much more if I get her all super lovey before actually discussing it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:45 PM
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In my experience it's easier to drive men harder in these jobs, and get more hours out of them So while we're looking at the same salary, the guys are working significantly more hours
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:06 PM
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Yeah I had a girl do this to me once, I didn't understand it at all, I laughed out loud when she told me it and said something like "uhh why wouldn't I let you buy me stuff" and it seemed like she felt kinda dumb about it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 04:23 PM
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The way I was imagining it is like he freaks out and insists on paying as if that makes it not a rejection , like the sort of person who argued over a rejection I'm reaching a bit here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 02:41 AM
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Why do guys have an issue with letting women pay, I really don't get that. Do they think you offering to pay is a rejection? (Or were you using it as a rejection?)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 01:23 AM
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I'm surprised there aren't a lot of redneck women who'd be interested in some sort of wifely role in that lifestyle, from my interactions with country people I'd have thought they'd be all about that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 01:21 AM
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Great thread, I know I talk a lot of shit but it is really interesting to see different perspectives
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 01:19 AM
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There's really no excuse for a woman not to know the paternity of her children But to answer your question, yes, absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 01:10 AM
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Guess who has also has options The vast majority of women, due to male thirst
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 01:04 AM
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When I first got into this, really the only way I could get sex was by promising commitment. Later, I could only get sex by implying commitment. And eventually I could get casual sex without implying commitment. I don't really blame guys in the earlier stages for doing what they've gotta do to get laid, but it sucks, and I feel bad that it happens. I feel bad that I did that at times, but what else was I gonna do? I'd do it again if the alternative was no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 01:02 AM
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Nice gender flip , well done
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 12:58 AM
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To put the father in the same position as the mother If you required the father to disclose the fact that he was running such tests, it would have a chilling effect. Men would be deterred from obtaining the information
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 12:22 AM
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No, so long as it is easily and harmlessly accomplished, a man should have the same certainty re paternity that the mother has
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 11:46 PM
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It depends how you show your weaknesses too. For example, I'll joke with my girlfriend about how "the day you begin lifting is the day you're forever small." It's lighthearted and it belies some actual insecurity, but at the same time I'm approaching it from a place of humor. If I broke down crying about how "I'm too small and weak" she would react very differently.
/r/TheRedPill16/12/16 11:28 PM
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To be fair, lots of people here also float crazy ideas for the debate value or to explore the pitfalls of those ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 11:02 PM
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LOL yeah I mean it's just something to consider, that younger people often don't think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 10:20 PM
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Does your body ache yet? It's something to think about as to why people recommend having kids early
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:47 PM
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Yeah any kind of abnormality really, too long, too short, too thick, too thin, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 12:26 AM
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Long hair makes it easier to obscure an oddly shaped head and neck, to rock short hair you need to have a better head and neck shape
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 09:43 PM
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I don't care about the motive, I care about the result
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 09:30 PM
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Where are people getting all these facts, I didn't see any of that in the story If you're just painting a picture I'd say it's difficult to show that he was not just hooking up wth the friend and instead was "keeping her busy" without some kind of evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 09:23 PM
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Interventions like Iraq do not achieve that purpose , they're expensive boondoggles
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 09:22 PM
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Men are disappointed becaus while it's easy for the average guy to get some sex, it's very hard for the average guy to get the pussy parade
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:11 PM
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I don't see how you can show intent there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:50 AM
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Submit has so many connotations, I think "follow" is a good substitute that has less baggage
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 03:41 AM
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LMR sucks, girls should just make up their fucken minds
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 02:29 AM
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I'm referring to a tactic used by the upper class whites in the south,giving the lower class whites power over the black slaves. To be honest this is stuff that is leftover in memory from my very left wing biased college education, but I did some digging and was able to find some mixed support for this-- https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+class+wedge+slavery https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2m0qwy/by_the_start_of_the_american_civil_war_did/?st=IWPPVKZA&sh=d1cefe20 https://www.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 02:24 AM
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There's a long history of upper class whites using race as a wedge in the US, particularly in the south
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 01:13 AM
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How do you know this
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 01:12 AM
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You're saying that rich white people are going to use their resources to fight for poor white people's interest? That sounds unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 11:52 PM
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Right, and I'd rather see both sides de-escalate the race shit and focus on what can be achieved for the working man How do people not see this as basic divide and conquer strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 11:15 PM
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do reporters not understand how to write anymore or what I wish there was some kind of cohesive story told about why the guy who was hooking up with Chick 2 pled to rape, it doesn't really make sense on the facts given. Also the charge of rape against the unrelated 16 year old, how does that tie into this story at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:37 PM
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Ok point taken
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:23 PM
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Adderrall is not meth. Chemically similar maybe but it's much much safer than meth for long term use
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:19 PM
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Well I'm happy for you that you're so accepting of it at least, you seem to be doing pretty well I had a coworker who was basically seeking out various antidepressant medications in order to shut down his sex drive, the poor guy was losing his mind
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 07:47 PM
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It sounds awful! I mean for me the hardest part wasn't any of the emotional stuff, it was the physical emptiness and constant unsatisfied desire. Also lack of touch was unnerving Do you consider yourself low libido?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 07:24 PM
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My goal is to have a family some day, so I sort of have to plug back in to some extent. I think to go down that path, you need to be aware of the different issues that come into play in an LTR versus when you're trying to meet someone new. IMO David Deida's "the way of the superior man" is a great resource for keeping your sexual polarity alive during an LTR , and for not slipping into complacency
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 07:16 PM
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It was a rough time, I can only imagine what years of that does to someone Around the six month mark I got frantic and started asking all my friends for dating advice, it was an interesting experience to say the least
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 06:46 PM
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Yeah I really can't understand how these people bitch and moan about their taxes going to social programs or parks or infrastructure but then they're in favor of costly foreign military adventures?! What?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 06:18 PM
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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, it isn't that hard to meet people from tinder , it's pretty easy actually Granted I don't match with every hot girl on there but geez wtf PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 06:14 PM
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Agree, trump is the kind of guy who will look you in the eye and lie to you, I can't believe that the working class is eating it up so readily. From every indication it looks like we have an administration set up to loot the federal government Wait and see I guess, but I don't have high hopes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:46 PM
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I think identity politics have run amok and that as much as they deny it, the boys in "the manosphere" are selling the same us vs. them narrative as the most ardent "social justice warrior." This is part of why I hate identity politics , if forced to play that game, white men are going to play it too and they're going to win. Frankly I'd rather see class-based advocacy than a race war
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:31 PM
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Social democrat, but I hate SJWism. Class issues > identity politics. I really would like to see a government that champions the interest of the working man
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:28 PM
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It is one useful framework for looking at the world , this stuff is fluid, I look at the world through a variety of frameworks; none of them is 100% right or wrong, the fact that they are internally consistent mental models that help me make sense of the world is good enough for me
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 03:21 PM
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I am a completely average looking guy, even on the ectomorph-skinny side, I'm 5'10", my face isn't attractive, etc etc etc. BUT: I have a decent understanding of what people think is cool, that's really all you need on tinder, just make yourself look like a guy who women would want to meet, and you're golden. Get them having fun and they will get lost in the moment, and shit will "just happen"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:45 AM
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I'm surprised you say balancing with ENFP types is hard, my two best relationships have been with those types maybe coincidence tho
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 12:04 AM
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Six months is wher things really start to change.. I had about a 7-8 month dry spell when I was younger and it was around the six month mark where I started getting really desperate, having super weird behavior, identifying with forever alone type groups, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 10:05 PM
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That's good, I think both of those are accurate: These types generally will not submit to or follow someone who just shows up and demands compliance with no demonstrated competence. These types generally will not submit to or follow someone who has screwed up something similar in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 09:05 PM
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LOL you've never interacted with INTJ type people have you They want to be in charge of everything and they will generally "shit in the sandbox" and ruin the game for everyone rather than submit
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 08:36 PM
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I don't like to be led, I can tolerate a girl doing it to some extent but it really throws me off and if she does it too much I'm probably going to excuse myself from the interaction. If she does it a little bit I will call her out in a teasing way, usually girls will slow their roll if I do this. If you are naturally more dominant you might do better with guys who are more at ease following, ie more submissive types. For me this isn't really a feminist/anti feminist issue or even strictly relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 08:30 PM
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Post a video of your interactions and we can pinpoint your problem exactly, there's a good chance that you have a blind spot to whatever you're doing wrong and thus you aren't telling us about it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 07:36 PM
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I don't think it's being obsessed with any particular persons sexuality, it's more like we've tuned into this stuff to the point where we can see it pretty easily
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 06:07 PM
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that's fair but you're also relying on things like "parents eagerness to deny their child's sexuality" which may be the case as general trends, but I highly suspect are not applicable to the type of sex obsessed people who inhabit PPD We're hyper attuned to this shit , probably some remnant of that will remain in all of us for our whole lives
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 05:47 PM
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I'm not a father so I don't know for sure. But in my experience people who are at either end of the spectrum stand out I don't know why people act like women are so mysterious in this regard, do you think you'd be able to tell if your son was a huge player? It really isn't a huge mystery what people at the extremes of sexual activity act like
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 04:43 PM
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If she's at either extreme it should be pretty obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 03:31 PM
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Honest question, when you meet girls can you not tell the difference between virgins/inexperienced women and the sexually experienced?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 08:37 AM
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Dang! Well it's nice to hear an good outcome like that :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 01:15 AM
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LOL Your husband lifts , why are you arguing that it's not attractive???
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 01:01 AM
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You say that, but in my experience I get MUCH more female attention when I'm very fit, when I'm lifting all the time, etc etc I had an injury that knocked me out of the gym for a few weeks and the difference in attention I got was noticeable
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 12:43 AM
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I know that no man ever worked out except for gay men until very recently I call bullshit, when I played competitive sports we had to lift as part of our training. This was almost 20 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 12:40 AM
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It's more like you don't know how to be assertive or you don't know where the line is between assertive and asshole, but you decide "fuck it, I'm goin balls to the wall assertive as I can be, don't care if I'm an asshole" Understandably you end up being an asshole a lot , but if you do it for a while you also learn where to draw the line and how to be assertive without being an asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 11:55 PM
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I more or less agree with you, but there is also a lot of media promoting a different message, media is pretty diverse Pop music in particular is filled with lots of Women are Wonderful type stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 04:13 PM
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Yeah, but if I married a woman and somewhere down the road she wanted a boob lift, I wouldn't really be suspicious of that by itself. I'd really need some other reason to be concerned than just that alone
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 07:36 AM
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A friend once told me that dominant people tend to prefer dogs to cats, I have no idea if that's true or not, but it sort of made intuitive sense as a theory, cats do not accept dominance like dogs do
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 06:54 AM
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Cool as in "women will see them and think that you're an interesting man they'd like to meet."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 06:49 AM
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Really depends what you mean by "blue pill" The guys who helped me learn "game" are blue pill in the sense that they have never heard of the red pill. On the other hand theyd probably agree with most red pill beliefs if you asked them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 06:11 AM
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Yeah it isn't clear if it means "guy who more or less aligns with redpill views of he world" or "guy who reads TRP subreddit" or what
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 05:56 AM
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You're being too cynical , it happens but you're making it sound like it happens as a rule
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 05:35 AM
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Lots of guys do pickup to improve their social skills and learn how to flirt Once they get to a better place, they go focus on something else
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 03:57 AM
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I'm not following what your saying I think it's pretty common that women are fearful of what childbearing and old age will do to their bodies, women with the means to address those problems will do so. Why you think that is coming on suddenly is beyond me. Do you think women don't know what childbearing will do to them? Do you think young women aren't aware of how their breasts will sag in 20 years? Do you think they are somehow being surprised by those things and then suddenly deciding to do so…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 02:55 AM
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I mean I don't really think it is correlated one way or the other with wanting to cheat, that doesn't make sense to me I'd love to see stats though if anybody has em
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 02:40 AM
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suddently? My UMC classmates in high school were saying they'd want that stuff done after they were done with childbearing. They were planning something 15-25 years down the road
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 02:38 AM
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uhhh that's great but if you're taking the aggregate you're going to have to include the elite men who are responsible for like 99% of human achievement Stupid gender war argument either way
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 02:24 AM
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Depends on the plastic surgery Boob lift in her 40s or post child birth stuff is a lot different than buying a new nose for your 20 year old bride
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 02:22 AM
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Get cooler pictures If your life is interesting this shouldn't be hard
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 07:30 PM
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Yeah, if it's that big of a deal to you that you'll otherwise sabotage the relationship if you don't get your way, then yeah, please leave
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 05:36 AM
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I keep my own place just fine, however I've noticed that when women move in they have SO MUCH SHIT that there is clutter everywhere, it triples the time it takes to clean and generally makes everything look disorderly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 02:38 AM
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Why don't people just get a housekeeper FFS More seriously, most of the time the woman just wants the house cleaner than the guy. If she wants it kept at a certain standard, her best course of action would be either (1) choose a partner who has the same standard as her or (2) accept that she's gonna do more housework than her partner. Also I call bullshit on this not enough time, I have literally 4 hours at home after the gym if I want to get to bed on time. Plenty of time to cook dinner and do …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 02:35 AM
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Thanks I'll check it out
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 02:19 AM
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Yeah I have a buddy who lives in SE Asia, and I've heard good things. I'd like to make a trip out there, not for the women really, it just looks like a beautiful part of the world. How are you managing to free yourself from location? I could theoretically do that in my job too, I'm thinking I could start doing "work from home" and expand it from there, but I'd need the blessing of the higher ups
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 02:12 AM
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5'7" is a great height for a girl, you're still smaller than the vast majority of men, but you're tall-ish, giving you free status Seriously it's like the perfect height for a girl , I can't believe you frame it as a disadvantage Is it because one person one time gave you shit about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 12:21 AM
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Yup I always either just buy my drink while she's being fashionably late, or I do "I'll get this round, you get the next," and I have zero problems whatsoever, I think a girl has said anything at all two times ever. One of them was just bizarre, back at my house after the bar she said to me something like: "I can't believe you let me buy you something, most guys are more traditional than that." And she says it in kind of a judgy tone, like I should be ashamed, I just laughed it off "I'm not gonn…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 12:15 AM
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I agree, but some of us have jobs that are tied to a location, I'm committed to my current location for the next few years. Totally depends on the country too! Italy was hard AF but I did meet a girl while I was there. I've heard Eastern Europe is easy mode
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 12:08 AM
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Average in looks, he has a normal face but kind of a weird complexion I dunno what was up with that and I feel like an asshole for even noticing but hey this is ppd. He's East Asian, mildly athletic, plays IM sports but not a gym bro, and like 5'4". Also has a super cool sense of style. I think the genera theme here is that if you're working with a disadvantage like that you're gonna have to do that much more to keep up
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 12:06 AM
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Hah yeah one of the guys I'm thinking of did have a lot of money, but the other one was pretty much a typical middle class college student They were both extremely cool, like social skills on god mode. Everyone here writes that off like it isn't a thing, and while it's not super common it definitely exists
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 11:19 PM
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It sounds like you just want someone to make custom material for your situation, and put it in TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 10:38 PM
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Right , what I am saying is that if your social skills are that bad to where you can't even be a platonic friend with a woman then there is somewhere else to learn basics of social skills, I don't know where that is because I've never needed it, but I'm sure you could find someone to help, maybe some sort of cognitive behavioral therapist
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 10:05 PM
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Why would TRP focus on that, it is completely different from the goal of TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 10:02 PM
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Why would you use TRP for that, it is not the material you want if your goal is to make platonic friends
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 09:59 PM
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It isn't up to me to decide whether it's a worthwhile investment, it's up to Ajay That said, I've done a lot of work in this area of my life, for me having a good sex life is a big deal, id say along with good job and good social circle it is one of the most important things in life. It is exactly the sort of thing that is worth working for. Nobody thinks twice about spending 17 years in school full time to get a stupid BA degree, but spend a couple hours a night a few nights a week for a couple…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 08:44 PM
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That's fair, I never really send more than a few messages before meeting someone online, I could see how it would be different if you'd gotten to know them for a bit longer
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 08:32 PM
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My frame with the whole thing is that if you act like the kind of dude who never buys shit for women, and still gets laid, (surely that exists even in traditional places) eventually you'll start finding the women who treat you like that. To be fair, it takes lots of trial and error
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 08:07 PM
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Oh bullshit, tinder is the most efficient , I can line up dates during my down time at work. I can pick up women in bars too, but obviously I can't do that sitting in my office at 10 am on a Tuesday
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 08:02 PM
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I sort of agree sort of disagree--basically my opinion is that if you can do okay in the bar/club scene , then you can kill it on tinder. Basically once your dating/flirting skills reach a certain point your ROI is much better from tinder because you can more or less set them up and knock them down, the bar scene generally isn't that efficient, it's a slower roll. Also in my experience I meet better quality women on tinder than bars but ymmv
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 07:59 PM
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Kinda dumb to take a girl from online dating out to dinner , IMO Or really to buy her anything until you know her
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 07:56 PM
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Exception: average looking guy with very cool pictures Basic women are often intrigued and they want a piece of your cool life
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 07:55 PM
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Were you following US politics in the lead up to the war in Iraq? What I'm seeing right now with "Russia did it" is reminiscent of "Iraq has WMDs", it's getting shoved down our throats hard enough to be suspicious
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 07:49 PM
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Bumble? It's the same thing but IME the women are closer to my age , also more likely to be UMC
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 10:14 PM
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Agree, it's more of that worthless shaming language
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 10:10 PM
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Your testes are in control of your brain. When they fill the body with T, everything the brain does, it does differently Same with a dozen other organs and their respective effects
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 10:09 PM
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Agree, to the extent we can talk about it like that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 10:06 PM
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that's a strange way to look at it, how is my brain any more me than my dominant hand, or my belly, or my cock All of those have been viewed as the seat of consciousness
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 10:05 PM
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True to an extent, but things like development during growth stages of your life and hormone production as an adult are very heavily influenced by environment. You can't write environmental factors out of the equation, what we know now is that a major deficiency will screw up your development or your adult health. Example: "natural 10:10" who consistently eats too much. She's gonna be obese, no two ways about it. Example: natural 10/10 who has major nutritional deficiency as a child. Will likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 10:02 PM
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Your body is literally your physical form, you absolutely do exist as your body
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 09:56 PM
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Disagree, it would be less shallow to judge a person based on the thing responsible for the looks, for example, appreciating someone's exercise routine and healthy diet would be deeper than "ooh big booty damn" I suppose the deepest level would be genetics plus all influencing factors
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 09:49 PM
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Well it screws up the whole shallow / not shallow question you're asking in the OP. Shallow would be things like social status, accomplishments, looks, as such. Not shallow would be the deeper underlying things behind those such as "the way you relate to the world" or "your sense of humor," or even something like "your insane gym and diet routine." There's a shallow side of "who you are", and a deeper side of it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 09:38 PM
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Summary would be "stereotypically female things" I hate making these lists because inevitably I'll forget one thing or another, or put one too many things in, then everybody quibbles over that and loses the forest for the trees, IMO that's not the point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 09:32 PM
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Your bulleted points aren't correct. Loving for who you are is more like -- looks plus the way you relate to the world and your sense of humor, probably social status and accomplishments to some degree Loving for what you can do is when you reduce social status and accomplishments to tangible things like, e.g., cold hard cash, but it can also be your ability to get stuff due to status and connections
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 09:25 PM
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That's a good question and probably takes something like an essay to answer. This is a good start, it is a little negative for my taste but it'll do: https://illimitablemen.com/archives/understanding-the-red-pill/red-pill-constitution/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 09:01 PM
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I've banged a couple girls from my work but I came to regret it. Way too much drama at a place that I have to go to every day. I wouldn't do it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:44 PM
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This is why tinder is great because the barrier to entry is super low. While I might agree with your criticisms on a website that requires 1000000 questions or whatever just to get started, that's not how tinder works
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:37 PM
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They ghost? How long are you taking to meet them? Meet them quickly, make an impression, you're good to go
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:36 PM
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Because men are generally polygamists by nature, ideally they'd just add new women to their harem, why would they leave the old one behind? In general women on the other hand don't cheat unless they're done with their current man
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:34 PM
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TINDER. It is so fucking easy, best work:reward ratio
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:12 PM
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Do you agree that there are a specific set of traits that women have, distinct from men, aka female nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:08 PM
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ok fine but female nature isn't just a random assortment of traits as you've posted
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:08 PM
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Yeah, I agree, that sounds more like "relief" than "bragging" which to me is totally understandable , it doesn't elicit my WTF reflex
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 07:11 PM
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AWALT means "all women have female nature to some degree" it does not mean "all women behave in exactly the same way"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 07:01 PM
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I really don't think its murder though, as you alluded earlier it is justifiable. Anyway I don't think that's really the same thing that I'm getting at here, my points in this thread are more directed at millennial spirituality and the view of the body as a temple so to speak
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 06:56 PM
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You're trying to turn heuristics into laws
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 06:42 PM
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Yeah me too, I'm trying to imagine them bragging about it and it doesn't fit at all, maybe I'm reading too much into OPs "bragging" language
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 05:32 PM
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I can't think of really any medical procedure where people are bragging afterwards though, maybe cosmetic surgery if it looks great, but in general I see working with either flesh or waste as a dirty business, you just get it done and be glad that it's over. Maybe I'm getting too hung up on OP's "bragging" language
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 05:22 PM
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I'm not getting into that, ultimately either way I think it's okay to kill them. My point is that your state of mind matters, gleefully performing a procedure like that and bragging about it afterwards just seems so strange to me. In my mind it's something that should be done with respect for the gravity of the situation
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 04:40 PM
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OPs scenario is based around bragging about it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 04:32 PM
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