Everything else being equal, why does being a physician offer such a huge advantage for male doctors in terms of attracting interest, ease of dating, quality/quantity of relationships, etc... yet being a female physician seems to work against her in the exact dating/relationship worlds?

Jewdius_Maximus · 2016-12-12T00:59:46+00:00

Because men don't care about a woman's profession nearly as much as women care about a man's. Socially speaking, a man's self worth and his worth as perceived by others correlates very highly with his type of employment or lack there of. If a man is a physician, it means he is smart, likely has a stable and ample income, is together, is motivated, and generally has his head in the right place (not to say there aren't some lemons out there who are physicians). A woman's worth is generally not defined in society by how prestigious her employment is.

questioningwoman · 2016-12-12T00:46:38+00:00

It doesn't if she's willing to date any income level.

80_20 · 2016-12-12T04:17:47+00:00

in marriages where women had more education they were 93 percent more likely to marry men with higher income than themselves

Venicedreaming · 2016-12-12T02:20:48+00:00

All the female doctors I know tend to be married to another doctor. That whole decade in med school tend to tangle people together. I can't think of one female doctor I know that has trouble dating, and I know a bunch. I get what you're getting at, but this specific example just doesn't click on my head

rulenumber303 · 2016-12-12T02:06:08+00:00

I've never noticed women who are doctors having extra difficulty finding partners... I went to a school in a really good area, a lot of people became doctors, they all seemed to do just fine. The partners of the female doctors seem to lean heavy towards self-employed men in businesses that allow them fairly flexible scheduling.

gopher_glitz · 2016-12-12T02:14:19+00:00

Because a female physician won't be happy with a guy who doesn't make more or have a higher status job. Women don't want men dumber than themselves.

It's dumb to earn less and still pay for everything.

alteredflux · 2016-12-12T03:34:04+00:00

What I have observed in my circle is that female physicians generally tend to have Type 'A' personalities. High assertiveness, high attention to details and tend to lack patience. These attributes is what makes them successful in their profession.

What happens in the dating world is that some of them are looking for that perfect guy. The one that can challenge them and support their career aspirations. After all, very few women will throw away their career after investing 10+ years of post secondary education. Not a whole lot of people out there that can do that.

I am married to a female physician. Most of her friends and colleagues have partners that are not in medicine and do not earn as much the female physician. This is where I struggle with the some of the "Hypergamy" theory as noted above. I think for most of these women, they want a masculine guy that has their shit together, gets stuff done, is attractive, calls out their occasional bullshit, and is able to support her career aspirations.

Yezdigerd · 2016-12-12T09:15:57+00:00

Isn't this often covered? Women desire men mainly their status and for what they can do, Men desire women for how they look and are. Women are reluctant to date down. Meaning that the pool of men of interest for high status women is smaller.

It's not the ego the make average Joe avoid female doctors, they just understand that that such a relationship isn't likely to work out since the women have little desire to cater to a man she sees as her social inferior.

despisedlove2 · 2016-12-12T02:05:46+00:00

Women marry for money. Men generally don't.

tiposk · 2016-12-12T02:28:24+00:00

Is tht true or is it a stereotype?

InBaggingArea · 2016-12-12T13:27:11+00:00

Why not though? For some women, being married to a rich man is the smartest thing they did. Moral high ground or not, having a maid, a cook and a huge house beats moral high ground any day. That's like asking how unethical Wall Street bankers how they sleep at night. They got paid, and money is a great compromise for most people. Sure the trophy wives will never love those fat rich dudes, but they'll wipe their tears with diamonds, heck they may not ever even cry. Pop in a few kids to secure the deal, set for life. Their divorce settlement is more than 50% of everyone salary combined in a year. So I say again, why the hell not if they can go to the highest bidder

DashneDK2 · 2016-12-12T01:50:00+00:00

I would never go into a relationship with a female doctor (doctress). The hours they need to work are crazy, and she'd probably me married to her career, which would put unacceptable constraints on life. Except for money - which I'm not interested in, what possible benefits does a doctor give me that a shopgirl or waitress or student or something like that do not?

OncleJulian · 2016-12-12T04:17:40+00:00

lol fuck that, the only reason women are ''attracted'' to doctors is because doctors make a bucket load of money, even more if the dude's a surgeon. Pure beta bux. Shitty profession for men to get true sexual attraction from women. Join the Army. Become a firefighter. Save a kitten. Become a pilot. Cut a tree down and grow a beard, now that's manly!

InBaggingArea · 2016-12-12T01:18:03+00:00

This question can also be phased, "Why do women whore themselves out to the highest bidder"?

acecutty · 2016-12-12T05:21:23+00:00

This is false. I work with many female physicians. None of them struggled with dating.

In general, if a woman in the US is struggling with dating, it's likely because she's being too picky.

StickItInTheToilet · 2016-12-12T08:43:40+00:00

Wut? Male doctors tend to marry female doctors.

goatismycopilot · 2016-12-12T12:13:01+00:00

A vast majority of the female physicians I work with are married or in relationships.

Five_Decades · 2016-12-12T19:57:57+00:00

Because women are attracted to status and income, while men are not. Also women prefer to date up or across regarding socioeconomic status. Men don't care about that.

So female physicians have a tiny pool of men who are "good enough" for her (equal or higher SES), but that pool is full of elite men who have access to younger, prettier, nicer women. Why pick the female physician in that scenario?

IamTheWalkingMenu · 2016-12-12T13:36:10+00:00

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GoldPisseR · 2016-12-12T07:50:20+00:00

A man's appeal is his status, simple as that.

All the RP idiots who think engineers and doctors are 'betas' just because they marry late 20s reformed sluts are delusional.

And to think that rich guys are likely to be ugly, quit kidding yourselves.

Most of them look all right and have an attractive enough personality.

Looks only work in college, post that its your job that counts.

fuxdpus · 2016-12-12T13:26:58+00:00

This video explains it. Think of a pyramid or a triangle. Women near the top of the pyramid only want men above them. That's only a small part of the pyramid. Men near the top will date women below them. That's a much bigger dating pool.

Women care about their partner's status and men generally don't. Men don't mind marrying down, but women don't like to date/marry down. So higher status women aren't willing to consider a big portion of the male population. Whereas higher status men will date a bigger percentage of women.

The US Supreme Court is an example. Almost all the male judges are married or in serious relationships with women of lower socioeconomic status. But only 1 of the 3 female judges was married. And the married one was married to a world renowned legal expert.

sunkindonut149 · 2016-12-12T15:18:06+00:00

I think women outnumber men in the health care field.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2016-12-12T06:17:18+00:00

I've explained this many times before: the best way to understand it is by understanding how high heels affect a woman's perception.

A woman generally needs a man who is at least 2 inches taller than her so that she can feel protected and so she can literally look up to him. The taller the better. (average height difference between men and women in the same country is about 2 inches)

So that same woman now wears 2 inch heels. Suddenly, the man who was 2 inches taller than her is not enough. She has effectively cut him out of her dating pool.

Now take this same concept (hypergamy) and apply it to work. This effect has been measured and confirmed by SCIENCE!

http://faculty.maxwell.syr.edu/jmtowsen/Publications/Law%20Students%20J.%20Psychology.pdf

https://ai2-s2-pdfs.s3.amazonaws.com/a606/90a0c69ad3669b235801e769de9fe1f7c880.pdf

so bloopers can suck it, even as they try to rationalize it with weak reasons like "men just can't handle a strong, independent woman! You go girl!" which is clearly and obviously nothing more than feminine comforting bullshit language. Men would simply rather have a woman that puts him first.

obviously it is natural female tendency to have higher standards and thus more pickiness due to pregnancy, and having the pill does not change millions of years of biological programming. Nurture is ALWAYS built on top of Nature, dummies.

To make matters even more hilarious, more women than men are going into undergrad universities now, and half of the guys are nerdy engineers that smell bad. So women have an even smaller dating pool to work with. Men in the dating pool (now looks more and more like 80/20) leverage this to have many short term flings, and girls try to fight back with rape accusations. Comedy all around!

Then the girls get out of undergrad with tons of student loan debt, useless liberal arts degrees, and few job opportunities, since any employer will clearly value the labor of a man more than a woman aside from sex appeal and jobs like schoolteacher, nursing, HR, PR, etc. Don't worry, these jobs are more needed than ever to pump out that comforting bullshit language.

The women then spend their times in cubicles reading Jezebel, Salon, and Buzzfeed for that sweet outrage, spending too much money on clothing that they barely wear, while hitting the club and getting drunk on weekends. They also are busy frying their oxytocin receptors by getting into many short term relationships, since they have been taught to imitate men (at least the alphas, betas are invisible to them in the dating market). They hit 30, panic, and grab the nearest beta to start a family that will likely go through a dead bedroom and then a divorce.

Its just too bad that starting at 30 and rapidly going through this process leaves women with barely any energy to chase after a kid, much less 2 or more. Don't worry though, the shrinking birth rate has worried politicians enough to make them import massive amounts of brown people who have lots of kids for religious reasons (oh, those noble savages). This means the next generation will be more dependent on government services, which guarantees jobs for social workers and police (gotta have that sweet guilt and that warrior class to keep the danger at bay). Germany and Sweden are great examples of this.

All of this could have been avoided if people let go of the bullshit marxist blank slate ideology and chose to work with biology instead of against it. Any smart woman would recognize the years spent dating, getting engaged, married, being pregnant, and having kids, and decide to plan it out. She would immediately get out of undergrad at 22 and look for an established man in his early 30s to get married and stay married. As the kids reach school age she can start working part time, then move on to full time. None of this "have it all" corporate bullshit that women are raised to believe.

Watch as the bloopers try super hard to deny everything I wrote, in 3...2...1...

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