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Maybe they shouldn't have sex with men if they're not straight or bi in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:45 PM
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A claim that is totally made up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:49 PM
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Women are, indeed, not into men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:40 PM
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An impact factor of 2.6 is not high either
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:27 PM
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Is more than that in the room right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:00 PM
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That journal has an impact factor of 1.2
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:55 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:53 PM
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k
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:52 PM
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Neither is your post when you're just making things up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:38 PM
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Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:36 PM
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the least accepting people of trans folk are cis straight men Do you have any source for this? The only similar statistic is what percentage of each demographic would be open to having sex with trans people (not a perfect measurement, but a good proxy), and straight women were least likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:24 PM
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young hot women You literally made the young thing up the Instagram models I follow Literally whomst? What follows after is even more nonsensical. Not worth replying to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:20 PM
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The less she needs to know to show interest the better. Otherwise, it feels very performative. Do you know how much trouble lesbians have with dating eachother? Looks like women were the problem all along!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:38 PM
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A good proxy for actual attraction is timing. How much did she actually know about me before showing any interest? men are easier to sleep with than women There might be a reason for that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:14 PM
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For particulars, it's just feels. Since this distinction is most likely to be of concern when it's a woman showing interest in me, what's important is to tell if it's only that she likes who I am as a person or whether there's actual attraction involved. But on aggregate, the evidence is overwhelming. There's a reason Grindr works but Tinder and Bumble don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:08 PM
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Most are
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:51 PM
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I simply have basic standards. I respect myself too much to date a woman who's only with me because of comphet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:09 PM
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They really get shocked when men don't want that either
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:04 PM
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Getting what I respect myself too much to accept? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:09 AM
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women who ended up valuing me after I got to know them My condolences
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:59 PM
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And so you instead decided women could just pretend they desire you if they happen to like who you are. Which is true, in all honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:53 PM
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Really? You used to have thoroughly read on the subject of autogynephilia and thought it accounted for the overwhelming majority of straight-performing women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:49 PM
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I don't know, but most men surely seem straight in non-performative ways
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:34 PM
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By that same logic, I should guess closeted gay men in marriages to women do not exist either
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:25 PM
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But they so obviously are not into men. Sheila Jeffreys already explained why that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:19 PM
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Quite telling that you consider homosexuality to be an insult
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:55 PM
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"Straight" women like men as much as gay4pay sex workers do
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:51 PM
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Sure. At least the incel can notice the fact that he's not desired. To the other guy, there's just these background sense that things are off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:46 PM
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All you’re doing is guaranteeing people won’t be interested in you at all. Surely that would've worked by now. I keep getting the performance of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:13 AM
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Not how they look, not how well they are in bed, just...THEM. That's a fate worse than inceldom
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:06 AM
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Love is just the excuse for why a woman allows herself to perform heterosexuality™. She is not chadsexual. She has simply managed to convince herself that she can achieve straightness with the man she loves. And I have no time for delusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:58 AM
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I don't hate love. What I hate is when women expect me to play along with their autogynephilic fantasy simply because they like who I am as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:47 AM
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I guess that's how they work when comphet is doing the work in lieu of actual attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:44 AM
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Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:24 AM
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the solution is for men to decenter women Actually, that's misogynistic. Just look at how everyone talks about MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:41 AM
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If you want empathy the best way to get it is to start by giving it My question is why should I have any obligation in turn. If no women are going to treat me as a human sex toy, why should I ever reciprocate any interest they show for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:38 AM
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ngl I wish inverse conversion therapy was a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:34 AM
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Sure. I'd actually love a long term FWB.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:39 PM
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Literally proving OP's point. It sure as fuck sounds miserable to be stuck with a woman who can only see me this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:41 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_heterosexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:39 AM
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I don't have access to the full text, so all I can go off is that men and women place different importances on clitoral stimulation. And going off on how, in the previous article, it was women whom they quoted they were averse to oral, I actually find it quite likely that it is men who care more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:15 PM
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Those links are quite enlightening since only the first two are peer reviewed and the second is only a literature review. As regards to the first one, the male witnesses do, in fact, report caring about their partner's orgasm, while it is the women who say they feel uneasy around practices like oral sex. So, what it does in fact show is that women who have sex with men report feeling like their own orgasm is less important. This makes sense if you accept that the reason they're with these men is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:57 PM
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men would rather focus on their own orgasm instead of pleasing their partners Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:34 PM
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Seems like the result of billions of women who never were into men in the first place being socially conditioned into forming heterosexual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:19 PM
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I think Sheila Jeffreys already made a strong case for why female heterosexuality is socially conditioned
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:15 PM
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Why the fuck are they even having sex in the first place? They should just admit they're not actually into men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:51 PM
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Men do not give women orgasms, and especially straight women do not get to have them during sex with men That sure is a way to admit you're not actually into men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:49 PM
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I already get DMd by guys who want me to send them dick pics. Suddenly, I no longer give a fuck about the male loneliness epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:07 PM
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Sorry, I forgot it's misogynistic to expect to hold women to the same standards as men now
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:18 PM
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I'd love to
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:39 PM
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most women are straight They sure are not. They literally choose a fucking bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:35 PM
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Speak for yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:33 PM
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My point is that we, as a society, already have a specific narrative regarding female sexuality which sets false expectations. What you're doing is the equivalent of people talking about queer representation in media as brainwashing. Our entire society already has a normative view of sexuality. I believe that people should be informed as to the actual reasons why women enter relationships with men most of the time. This is because that is a necessary step to drawing attention towards the fact th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:49 AM
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Aceism then. It is abundantly obvious that female heterosexuality is a very rare phenomenom.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:32 AM
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You totally don't need to be that guy for that. Comphet really does a lot of the heavy lifting there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:20 AM
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I think it's the best for all. Currently, too many men are stuck in relationships with partners who can't reciprocate their lust and are only into them because of comphet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:18 AM
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I'm not really talking about what Jeffreys said about trans people. But she was quite spot on regarding the socially induced nature of female attraction for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:55 AM
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If we're going to go that route, we'd have to check where Isaac Newton stood on any social issue before we're allowed to use calculus
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:30 AM
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You'll be old enough to not need to worry about pregnancy at some point
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:32 AM
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At least I don't know any of them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:58 AM
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What you were saying is about women who sleep with too many men, not the other way around
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:55 AM
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You said you're old enough a few comments above. What I was saying is that will surely no longer apply after a certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:52 AM
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How the fuck would any man be into that? Maybe some dudes who were friends with Jeffrey Epstein.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:51 AM
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Yes, I know about the entire stigma around bodycounts. Promiscuous men constantly get accused of being misogynists who pump and dump women. Meanwhile promiscuous women are just healthily enjoying their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:49 AM
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Ok, then what about waxing? When you do that shit, it's honestly a cause to suspect maybe you're not actually trying to attract men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:48 AM
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But you're using pregnancy as an excuse when, by your own admission, you're too old for that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:46 AM
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I totally recall when Klemens von Metternich said that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:42 AM
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But you already said you're old. How would you even get pregnant in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:41 AM
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I meant PIV. Since you're old enough, pregnancy shouldn't be a concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:39 AM
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Anyway, I guess that excuse will no longer apply once you're old enough
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:36 AM
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There's Ferric Ferrocyanide (blue pigment), Methylchloroisothiazolinone (it's used in too many things to name), and my favourite, Pentaerythrityl Tetra-di-t-butyl Hydroxyhydrocinnamate (lipstick, among other things).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:35 AM
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How the fuck don't you benefit from a man going down on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:28 AM
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Crazy how we're just talking about a male outlier when women constantly do plenty of crazy shit like waxing their legs and putting weird chemicals in their face, none of which have anything to do with attracting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:24 AM
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Not all forms of sex lead to pregnancy. The education system really failed you if this wasn't covered during sex ed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:20 AM
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I respect myself too much for this shit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:19 AM
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we lose value with each dick Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:17 AM
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Based af
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:16 AM
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All I'm saying is if a man is really into lesbian porn, I'm thinking that's eggish behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:06 AM
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Plenty of women inject shit on their lips to look like weird aliens
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:58 PM
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Ao3 is an interest case. In between both of centreoftheselights' censi, the share of women has dropped quite significantly. Enbies are about 40% of the userbase now, and trans men are so overrepresented they now outnumber cis men. I find it likely that more and more of these women will come out over time as trans.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:55 PM
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Clavicular does as much to his body as the average woman. I believe both have an equal claim to being heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:36 PM
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You're right about that. There is. And if women won't be willing to even do the bare minimum, I'm better off without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:32 PM
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You mean Clavicular? People already say that's proof of them not being into women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:23 PM
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Lesbian porn actually is the category with the most female tilted audience according to PornHub's stats. And I can say as someone who tried watching it once, I really did struggle to relate to anything that was happening. Now, I don't really watch porn at all. I really do find it very tame, but lesbian porn was special since there was no one for myself to put myself in the mindset of. In fact, the one time I tried reading butch4butches is the closest I'll ever come to knowing what gender dysphor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:17 PM
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I sure would love that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:07 PM
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When the fuck has my life been about impressing people?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:05 PM
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This is why it's so hard to respect women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:02 PM
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Radical feminists already made this point way before I was born. You should read Adrienne Rich and Sheila Jeffreys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:55 PM
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If only I could be a masturbation tool
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:51 PM
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What I'm saying is female sexuality is autogynephilia alone. They feel basically no target oriented attraction. This is why Tinder and Bumble are failures but Grindr isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:44 PM
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It's not really a pathology. That's just standard female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:31 PM
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Sheila Jeffreys comes closer, ackshually
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:14 PM
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To perform womanhood is a better description. It's not that it's necessarily fake, but it is fundamentally self directed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:09 PM
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But it's been found in 93% of cis women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:08 PM
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That's because of autogynephilia
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:51 PM
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It's a term originally designed to describe the sexuality of a subset of trans women as being fundamentally self directed, and seeking relationships to LARP the notion of womanhood. Charles Moser later found the concept applied to 93% of cis women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:50 PM
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True. Women are autogynephilic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:17 PM
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Oh, so you actually are ace because you're only into the attention from people without any suggestion of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:15 PM
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It sure as fuck is
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:14 PM
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Literally autogynephilia
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:10 PM
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I can understand the notion of constantly faking attraction bevcause you've grown to believe you're heterosexual, but it's not something I can relate to. I think closeted gay men in relationships with women can understand it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:48 PM
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Context?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 08:35 PM
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We're not confused at all. We just don't like it because it spreads hate towards women. So surely you must get why men don't like feminism either
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 08:21 PM
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By women. I've received my fair share of attraction from guys. They even ask me for dick pics in my DMs every now and then. Having that experience has taught me to not expect less. I occasionally have had women perform attraction for me. Noticing the fakeness of it all really is a contrast with what real attraction looks like. I am not willing to entertain any woman who is not willing to do the bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:50 PM
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We're not angry, just disappointed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:42 PM
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At least she didn't make them listen to her music. She must be so merciful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:13 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:50 AM
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I'd cast my doubt on that. Plenty of cis men have been a very long time on endogenous T and don't end up looking that masculine. There's just too much individual variation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:48 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:07 PM
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Not all of them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:06 PM
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it’s not fun to watch people like yourself be sexually objectified Bullshit. Basically all of the AO3 content I write features men getting objectified. My readership is mostly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:48 AM
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I'm pretty sure that's true for every category except sapphic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:42 AM
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To start with, her looks were nothing to write home about. But honestly, I was 16 back then and my standards were a lot lower when I was a teenager. And it's not like she was chopped either. So maybe it was just that she was too agreeable. Having had that experience actually makes me understand the PUA advice of talking down to women, because that's exactly what I was doing, and it apparently worked. And looking back on it, that dynamic didn't really happen when I was talking to other women. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 06:32 PM
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Bullshit. I used to have a simp who checked all five items you listed. I considered giving her a chance for a while, but nothing really came out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:53 PM
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I personally love knowing I'm more intimidating than a bear
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 05:49 AM
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*Sad ara ara noises*
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:02 PM
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Multifandom. It's mostly pwps, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:31 PM
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I dunno, it's just that there are very few women in my AO3 author Discord server
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:19 PM
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Then why does looking it up on youtube give out so many straight men watching heated rivalry videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:37 PM
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I think I'd keep many of the same traits I'm looking for in women. A fit, driven and ambitious man who scores high in openness to experience. The only thing I'd do differently is I'd specifically look for open partnerships. As a straight man, it's not like I'd say no to them if offered, but I really doubt I stand any chances of actually making good use of them. Women really have theoretically more to gain from them due to the surplus of male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:26 PM
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I don't actually think she's malicious. Basically all of her posts involve a video less than one minute long and asking us to interpret what it means. So she just happened to find a video making a bad faith argument, and she legit can't tell what the answer is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:39 PM
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I really am a simple man. Unless I've actually commented on your appearance positively, it's safe to assume I'm not into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:35 PM
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I personally don't care about monogamy, but I really wouldn't push too hard against it since I'm quite unlikely to find more than one woman I'm compatible with anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:20 PM
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You'd be shocked. Many such cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:17 PM
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If what she's after is the performance of an emotional bond with marriage and 2.3 children, then I hope she enjoys the bear as a person
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:57 AM
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Which means that if she responds to me when warm approaching only, then she only was after the person
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:50 AM
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Then it wasn't after me that she was in. Only at the performance of romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:22 AM
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I'd say I'm pretty lonely, due to a variety of factors that have little to do with dating. I'm fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:12 AM
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Fellas, is it straight to be into men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:57 PM
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Putin is the definition of centrism. If you dislike him because he's too far to the right, you're a leftist. If you dislike it because he's too fat to the left, you're right wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:25 PM
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I'd be hard pressed to call Mitsotakis a nationalist. And you're the one claiming Trump, a literal peronist, is right wing. Putin is really more of a centrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:18 PM
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Because nationalism is the brainchild of the French Revolution. Nationalism proposes that legitimacy comes from the people and not the sovereign, as does communism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:11 PM
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By that same logic, men who are into femboys can be straight
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:46 PM
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It's not that they were socialists (though Strasser definitely was), but they were nationalists. And nationalism is left wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:42 PM
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That's a standard feature of democracy, not fascism specifically. Right wingers do not support popular movements as the tool of social change, for democracy is the One Ring, put in place by the Dark Lord so everyone who wields it will end up serving his interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:07 PM
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Also, classifying fascism as right wing, or at least as far right, is problematic since it is a revolutionary ideology. The problem with fascism is an excess of democracy, not a lack of it. It supports direct action: you join the black shirts or the SS. Nationalism itself flows directly downstream from the French Revolution. The book burnings themselves were a reference to Wartburg festival.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:14 PM
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I'm a Peruvian and I can tell you that the Dems in 2026 definitely are not right wing. 2016 was the last time they ran a liberal candidate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:09 PM
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Mussolini actually made very significant privatisations early during his government. He would make Milei blush if we consider only his policies before the Depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:07 PM
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Two fucking LLMs talking to each other. I can't take this anymore, the Unabomber was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:31 AM
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The question is: is it worth it? Chances are you'll end up with some woman who's only with you because she cares about you as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:29 AM
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Probably so. It'd be hard to see why not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:30 AM
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No sleeves and a low V line count as scantily clad
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:14 AM
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Yeah, plenty of gay women seem to love her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:13 AM
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I just have a hard time believing the guy who places caps on credit card rates and complains about foreign trade as looting the nation is a lover of multinational capitalism
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:28 AM
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You mean the guy who caused the steepest 4 day decline in 2025 and later placed caps on credit card rates? Who's literally besties with Zohran Mamdani?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:09 AM
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The president is literally a peronist
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 11:57 PM
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Broke: supporting same sex marriage because you support gay people Bespoke: supporting same sex marriage because you hate gay people and want them to suffer
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 11:56 PM
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Which she is
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 11:06 PM
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It's been a while since America got any right of centre government
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 11:05 PM
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Worst part is we already had one: her name is Abby Anderson. Gamergaters still got pissed. I really lost all sympathy I had for the movement when that happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:57 PM
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Those branches are extremely marginal nowadays. Even Laci Green got cancelled for questioning sex negativity within feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:30 PM
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The sexual revolution was not caused by feminism. Feminists actually hates any expression of human sexuality because they're expressions of patriarchal opression.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:11 PM
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No, I'm actually happy for those guys
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 02:20 AM
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Being an incel is like being thirsty on a desert. Being a chad is like being thirsty on a swamp.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 11:14 PM
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So let's run the Z test score against assuming that less than half of women are autogynephilic: .93-.5=.43 sqrt(.93*.07/52)=.035 .43/.035=12.3 A Z score of 6 alone is enough to prove things in quantum physics
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 11:17 PM
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When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:00 PM
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Charles Moser actually found 93% of women qualified as autogynephilic: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19591032/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:24 PM
3

The majority of women are autogynephilic
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:10 PM
4

Yes, because it's not like gay men ever get hate crimed for their sexual behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:55 PM
1

Everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:55 PM
3

Ok, then I guess we don't need to give women preferential treatment. Now actually commit to identifying as straight or just give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:19 PM
6

I just hold everyone to the same standard. If that makes me a misogynist, then be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:15 PM
9

Go to a gay bar. Only there will you see what attraction towards men looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:08 PM
1

Most women aren't actually into men yet still perform heterosexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:59 PM
1

A lot of them
/r/MensRights11/03/26 03:06 AM
2

For every innocuous act a man does, there's a feminist enough woman who'll say it's negging.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:44 AM
4

What was the question about again?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:36 AM
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Her frequency of initiation is not that important, but she needs to be enthusiastic. I really don't want to feel like she can't see me as her sex toy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:53 PM
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You'd first need to explain on what grounds you argue men are only attracted to young women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 07:02 PM
1

given the choice between an 30+ woman with low chance of fertility and a 21 year old with high chance, what do you think the high-status, high-earning man will choose? With no other data, the 30+ woman
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 07:51 AM
2

I totally couldn't imagine myself saying that. Except for not being party oriented, since I myself am not party oriented.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 07:01 PM
2

The blue pill is not at all sex work positive. It hates any outward expression of sexuality for being a tool of patriarchy and the commodification of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:49 PM
0

You're free to do what you want, just don't complain when you do exactly the opposite of what you were told and it doesn't work out
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:46 PM
1

You don't think she's sexualised or considered sexy by many people? Maybe by the blind
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:38 PM
1

I said she is chopped because you asked, and then tried to gaslight me into believing it's actually just me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:22 PM
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You're the one who asked me to name chopped women. This is what we mean when we say women lack accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:22 PM
0

I don't owe anyone my attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:26 PM
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She's chopped. I don't make the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:00 PM
1

Yup, I'm not into the drag queen look
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:53 PM
1

Cardi B is right there
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:39 PM
1

Have you listened to any male artists? True. Batzorig Vaanchig only ever talks about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:53 PM
1

Now? Hockey RPF has been a staple of AO3 for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:52 PM
1

I’ve slept with multiple women who desired me, and let me tell you, that never happened when I was dealing with them. Then they didn't actually desire you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:51 PM
1

Plenty of female pop stars are neither great singers nor hot
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:48 PM
1

I totally recall how Javelin was about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:46 PM
3

Fashion/makeup - is about looking sexy Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:45 PM
0

Why the fuck would I be watching OF? That would require me to support female creators, which is against my personal values.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:41 AM
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She only shows attraction under a preexisting emotional connection. She is into performing heterosexuality™.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:40 AM
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Because the man is still a prop for your self-directed fantasy. It's not that you are into the man, you are into heterosexual monogamy®.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:33 AM
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you have to filter out closeted lesbians too If you add ace women, you've basically filtered out 99% of women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:19 PM
1

That's just the autogynephilia
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:17 PM
1

What would you say is the ideal girth?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:48 PM
3

Based, ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 07:57 PM
4

If treated like shit is code for not being the centre of the universe, sure. When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:54 PM
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I think blackpillers really have set men's rights back by several decades by claiming Chads are doing well because of 80/20. The truth is women are not chadsexual, they're just not into men. This kind of rhetoric only serves to divide men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:49 AM
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Because they clearly are whom OP should be relating to instead of men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 08:13 PM
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I'm not the one chatting with sexbots, am I?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:50 PM
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I can't be a sex toy for them, can I?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:44 PM
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If you need to be convinced to be into men, you shouldn't need to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:41 PM
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That's not better, sweetie
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:40 PM
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These kinds of questions are exactly why I don't take the notion of women being into men seriously. If all you were looking for was a guy for whom you'll never be disposable (he's effectively stuck with you), then you're not after a sex toy, you're after an emotional support prop. Just talk to an AI chatbot and leave us alone if that's what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 11:49 AM
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I could go without it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:02 AM
0

Well, I feel like I'm just as dumb as when I was 15
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 08:21 AM
0

How the fuck is it that we can tell a post is AI generated just by reading the title these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:18 AM
1

Personally, I'm a liberal reactionary in the Metternichian-Jouvenelian tradition
/r/MensRights25/02/26 10:08 PM
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So now you get #notallmen? Is this really what it took?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:45 PM
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That's because I'm not the one blaming patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:40 PM
2

Without any evidence to reject the null hypothesis
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:34 PM
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Because we don't know what they did
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:32 PM
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We don't prefer them, because you don't get to decide for us
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:30 PM
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Yes, they use a good dataset. We don't really know what they did with it. For all I know, they made everything up and pinky promised the study is legit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:28 PM
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And we don't, because women don't get to define our sexuality. You are not entitled to my attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:21 PM
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Well, I'm not the patriarchy truther here claiming men somehow are driving these beauty standards, am I?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:18 PM
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I don't need to, because the null hypothesis is meant to be rejected. You don't get to levy accusations and blame men without backing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:10 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6033799/ This is from a journal with an impact factor of 3.3, which is decent for agricultural science. A litre of fat has 4 million calories, which is Nutrition 101. That is a foundational data point for nutritional science.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:06 PM
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Well, do you happen to have a version where I can see the methodology? Otherwise it's just some guys with little credibility saying they made a study and found these results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:56 PM
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I'm a virgin, but I really imagine getting good sex wouldn't be that easy. If things are working with a woman, and we enjoy each other, that really is enough. Not that there would be no point in looking out for options, but I doubt anything important would come out of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:53 PM
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Yes, because the null hypothesis is indifference whenever it comes to preferences. I don't make the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:50 PM
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One doesn't prove the null hypothesis, especially not when it's feminists constantly raging on about beauty standards they can provide no backing for only as an excuse to blame men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:44 PM
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No, maybe reptilians like that. I'd need to ask one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:43 PM
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I really don't have full access, so I can't say because I don't know the methodology. But the journal is not really that trustworthy. However, I did find this in the abstract: However, we do find that grooming accounts for the entire attractiveness premium for women, and only half of the premium for men. You've just handed the blackpillers a very powerful weapon.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:42 PM
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Yes, so universal that no journal of note has found support for it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:35 PM
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That journal has an impact factor of 2.34
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:31 PM
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Plos ONE barely has an impact factor of 2.6. The first source isn't even peer reviewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:30 PM
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I too can make up a website on Wix and say there's a study from 2024 backing up any claim I want
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:25 PM
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They need to stop blaming patriarchy for their actions. They'll spend a bunch of money in make up and waxing products and then claim it's all about beauty standards. No bitch, don't try to blame men for your bad decisions and then lie about what men are attracted to. You don't get to define our sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:14 PM
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Then maybe the solution should begin by addressing the way trans and nonbinary people are treated
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:34 AM
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The thing is feminists are only trying to deconstruct masculinity. They are very happy to preserve normative standards of femininity instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:18 AM
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I already wrote an entire post debunking that claim. If your gender identity feels like a burden, there's no reason to cling to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:15 AM
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If they actually were capitalising on female lust for men, OnlyFans wouldn't have such a massive gender earnings gap. The wedding industrial complex profits from autogynephilia, not heterosexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:43 AM
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Except Charles Moser already found female sexuality to be self-directed. And you assume women wouldn't be capable to refrain from sex with men for self preservation and/or ethical reasons? I guess that can account for the few women that subscribe to 4B. Maybe they actually are heterosexual, what do I know? Yet committed relationships can still be quite dangerous for women and most of them still seek those. Security is not the concern guiding women's sexual behaviour. And neither is genuine exter…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:38 AM
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I'm saying Blanchard's findings on autogynephilia should be regarded as normative female sexuality. Julia Serano's later work heavily depends on the notion of women's sexuality being fundamentally self-directed, and she's arguably the leading transfeminist of our time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:20 AM
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Studies are showing that men are objectifying women as a whole Which means women, not heterosexuality, are the erotic target. Since you mention children, I'll employ the opportunity to discuss what actually would constitute genuine pedophilia. People who engage in sex with children because they find them attractive are pedophiles. In this case, children are the erotic object of desire. Not that all pedophiles have sex with children, many will refrain from doing so for ethical reasons, a fact tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:16 AM
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This is because men mostly care about their own pleasure in casual sex and don’t focus too much on the woman’s pleasure. Do you have any source for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:57 AM
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It is not magic. Women's sexuality really is self-directed. Ray Blanchard already found that to be the case among trans women, and his results have been successfully replicated with cis women. Women are, by and large, autogynephilic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:55 AM
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Most women are not into men, plain and simple. I don't believe in chadsexuality. If it were true, 80/20 would be a thing. I really don't see much empirical backing for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:52 AM
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Sure, and if a square had five sides it'd be a pentagon. If you don't derive pleasure from penetration, you don't need to do PIV.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:50 AM
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This is exactly my point, as well as that of second wave feminists. The script isn't merely enforced by economics. It is the object of sexual desire for women. They are only heterosexual insofar as their attraction lies in the notion of themselves being heterosexual. And if you, rightly so, feel it is unethical to keep propping up the script only so women convince themselves of their heterosexuality, I totally support you. I believe we all need to be aware of the lie that is female heterosexuali…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:43 AM
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Yes, that literally is what Psychopathia Sexualis was meaning to address. 19th century psychologists were not detached enough to expect women to perform duty sex as an economic transaction, they really did explain why it is the emotional bond that serves as a trigger of arousal. The idea that their work simply existed to get women to accept miserable marriages is slander developed by later feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:34 AM
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Citing women who thirst over Chris Hemsworth is like the mfs here who bring up Morning Glory Milking Farm or Fifty Shades of Grey to conclude that all women enjoy CNC or teratophilia. It hardly is enough to draw population level conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:32 AM
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Sure, the script can include sex with a man you are attracted to. Which means if you can't get yourself to feel such attraction, you can only convince yourself you do. When it is in fact the script that is the object of your sexual desire, not the man. Is this strong enough to put yourself in danger? You tell me. Because it either is desire for men that is enough for women to put themselves at risk or desire for heterosexuality. Neither of those sounds less absurd than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:25 AM
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But if Moser's study was undersampled, that would mean Serano's debunking of Blanchard also is ungrounded for having so heavily relied upon it. And if that lacks credence, that would mean Whipping Girl also is unsubstantiated. There's no way transfeminism could rest upon shaky grounds, is there?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:18 AM
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It's not my fault that Natalie Wynn just happens to cite plenty of people who lend credence to the notion. Speaking of, didn't she break up with some Chad after coming to terms that her desire for men had been performative all along? I really wonder why that might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:11 AM
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Ok, do you think it is a misrepresentation of Serano's work to claim that female sexual desire is inherently self-directed?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:53 AM
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It's everything second wave feminists talked about when describing heterosexuality as an institution. The script can be taken as existing literally when you look at romance movies. So you meet a man. He, importantly so, is not just nice, but exceptional in any form (this is what many women mean when they say the bar is on the bottom, the script practically requires them to see the men they're into as a superhero). This means you feel nervous around him. He asks you out, he's chosen you out of al…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:52 AM
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Sure thing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:31 AM
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Have you considered that we do but maybe just not to you? Then they shouldn't have even tried, should they?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:26 AM
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Yes, and if you'd read my post with attention, you would've noticed how I literally mention it to back up my claims
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:24 AM
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Because it is the script that she's after, not the person. 19th century psychologists were not detached enough to expect women to perform duty sex as an economic transaction, they really did explain why it is the emotional bond that serves as a trigger of arousal. The idea that their work simply existed to get women to accept miserable marriages is slander developed by later feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:23 AM
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If that was your takeaway from Whipping Girl, sure
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:19 AM
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Also how would you know that women don’t experience sexual needs prior to desire? They would've shown them by some point. And if they did, they didn't care enough to make them forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:17 AM
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I, too, cite the work intended to debunk such theories. And they drive the point forward that autogynephilia, far from being an expression of male sexuality, is normative female desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:15 AM
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Why did they needed to get to know you if they aren't sexually attracted to you? Because that was a prerequisite to fill out the script. Like I argue in my post, this is what had been laid down in Psychopathia Sexualis: women don't naturally feel attraction for men, but it can be nurtured to develop between the boundaries of a normative romantic relationship. This is also explored by Ray Blanchard when he studied autogynephilic trans women. It is not that they actually desired sex with men becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:13 AM
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That doesn't mean that needs to preclude desire
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:54 AM
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Do you think they would even have bothered to getting to know you if they weren't heterosexual? Well, they needed to. That is the thing: they bothered. It was a nuisance. Genuine sexialify never needs to be forced into being.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:52 AM
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They were clearly performative. It was like they needed to care about who I am as a person to even do so much as show an inkling of attraction. Which is exactly what's discussed in Psychopathia Sexualis.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:12 AM
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That's my point. They're not, yet they still pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:48 AM
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I doubt even chads are doing that well. I don't really believe in chadsexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:44 AM
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Then why do they still performatively pretend to be into me?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:43 AM
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Cool, so womem really are driving the coital imperative
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:01 AM
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Is there evidence to the contrary?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:57 AM
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And do you have any source that it's men in particular who push for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:41 AM
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That Americans democraticly elected one such guy. Of the four countries you mentioned, the only one to have had a relatively recent open election was Venezuela, and that still was over 20 years ago. Americans really do deserve the mockery.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:12 AM
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Correction: woke women don't want to date guys like that. If things were the way you're describing, liberal and leftist men wouldn't be struggling to the same degree in partnering up. If anything, I'd reverse the causality and attribute Trump's gains among young men to increasing rates of singlehood, not the other way around. Young men in past generations were largely coupled up and tended to vote like their female partners, since couples tend to vote together. Now, than nexus is not there, so y…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:10 AM
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him penetrating my body Not all sex involves penetration. woman's sexual expression is impacted by society, by biology and by viewing themselves through mens eyes That literally was my point when discussing autogynephilia.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 05:40 AM
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men often expect PIV as the default and will whine and push for it if it doesn’t happen Do you have any source for that? Violence is a risk for both. And if it were as strong of a factor, we should expect it to cut evenly. Yet it hardly has an effect on women's frequency of sexual contact within relationships. slut shaming plays a huge role as wel Like men who have sex with men aren't shamed and hate-killed either. They still seem to be hooking up just fine. So this is just an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:43 AM
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Probably yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:06 AM
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Women want the men they have sex with. Then why did society need comphet in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:02 AM
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Yes, we'd ideally desire each other. I do desire women. I also expect to be the target of their desire. Straight identified women only perform the first requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:58 AM
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Ok, and when women who aren't straight to begin with also stop pretending to actually be into me I'll stop complaining
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:56 AM
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No, because in the dynamic I just describe, men only serve as a prop for women's self-directed desire within the female erotic framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:55 AM
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Do you want women to just fuck you and walk off and not care? Yes, that is exactly what I'd wish to happen. But it seems to be too much to ask of the overwhelming majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:52 AM
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Sure, if you really want to defend the chadsexuality thesis, you can go there, that women are just so hypergamous that even 80/20 is cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:51 AM
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The Kinsey Scale has been largely questioned for being problematic nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:49 AM
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That's why I'm specifying desire needs to be reciprocal. This already was covered by Blanchard. Autogynephilic women do partake in sex with men on occasion, but instead of directing their desire towards their partners, it is directed towards the institution of heterosexuality in which they're allowed to take part.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:48 AM
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My point is that there's a reason why Tinder and Bumble are failures but Grindr isn't. No amount of individual counter examples is enough to disprove that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:45 AM
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The standard is a dynamic of reciprocal sexual desire
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:37 AM
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Ok, that really is none of my business. I deserve better than being only a prop in their autogynephilic fantasises.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:36 AM
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Moser isn't really that controversial. And Julia Serano didn't even challenged the notion that trans women are autogynephilic, but instead argued that it was default female sexuality. Which is exactly my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:35 AM
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That really does depend. Maybe you were too fucking busy that weekend and didn't have time for sex. Or you still lived with your parents and it was fucking awkward to bring them over for sex. It really is none of my business if you specifically actually are into men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:33 AM
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Oh, so they actually act straight, but it's sexist to hold them to the same standard as men. Because of course expecting the bare minimum is sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:31 AM
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I also cite newer studies like those of Blanchard and Moser
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:28 AM
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I too, hope I somehow become homosexual. I'm rooting for conversion therapy to actually work so they can jolt up my body into gayness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:27 AM
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i'll believe them when they actually act like it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:24 AM
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I am neither a tradcon nor a radfem nor a transfeminist. I have cited the work of all three of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:23 AM
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Maybe a lot of things. Maybe those feminists are working for reptilians in an attempt to lower global fertility rates and have our species replaced by lizards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:22 AM
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I reject self reporting when it is absurd. I do not validate serial killers who claim to be pacifists, nor spider collectors who claim to be arachnophobes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:20 AM
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If only sexuality was a choice. The fact that straight men exist goes to prove that is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:18 AM
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Both of those causes should be part of the same agenda
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:18 AM
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I do concede that a minority of women might actually be attracted to men. I used to believed my best friend to be one such case, but they later came out as non binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:15 AM
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I'll gladly help you in the fight to liberate women from heterosexuality as an institution
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:13 AM
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It's like they needed to care about me as a person to feel an emotional bond through which they could look up to me. It really validates what Krafft-Ebing had written in Psychopathia Sexualis regarding how marriage is a trigger to awaken a woman's supposedly natural sexual desire. Or, to employ modern terminology, they were autogynephiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:13 AM
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Ok, and how many of these women pressured into performing heterosexuality actually feel genuine desire for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:11 AM
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That's the difference between herbivore and vegetarian. If for some religious or ideological reason people are restricted from expressing their true sexuality, then that's an external factor. Yet women hardly are any more heterosexual in societies which restrict their sexuality less. And virginity is a complex question. Incelism is supply-induced virginity, for instance. I'd consider demand-induced virginity to be likely the result of asexuality or sex repulsion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:10 AM
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Radical feminists already addressed the question of lesbianism. Adrienne Rich wrote extensively on it being the natural predisposition for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:06 AM
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Most men aren't into men either, yet gay and bi men have no problem finding other men to bang each other. So if we can get the majority of women who don't actually desire men to stop pretending, they'd filter themselves out and it'd be easier for straight men to find partners with whom we can have reciprocal sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:04 AM
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It's more of a disappointment from the women who have performatively shown interest in me. It was clear after a while that none of them actually desired me. Which means women do show interest in men they're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:01 AM
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men who are attracted to women who aren't conventionally beautiful often hide it So they are attracted to women. This really is not comphet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:58 AM
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Identity precludes action. If a lion ate only grass, it'd be a herbivore.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:54 AM
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I can feel arousal from both notions. I really don't think women feel externally targeted attraction all that often.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:53 AM
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Isn't the Kinsey Scale problematic nowadays?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:51 AM
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The difference is you do admit to having hook ups with a relative frequency
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:46 AM
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Because feminists have already written extensively on why women will consider themselves to be attracted to men when it's all a performance
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:44 AM
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I am such a terrible person from expecting the bare minimum from a woman who shows interest in me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:43 AM
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sex as a whole is great given they have an attentive partner Exactly what 19th century psychologists were trying to induce. The women you're talking about were pushing for Victorian gender norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:42 AM
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That was exactly my point. Autogynephilia is normative female sexuality, not heterosexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:40 AM
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Except that the moral panic regarding a lack of sexual norms among men leans into hyper (bi-)sexuality. The idea of men engaging in orgies is employed by bigots to create repulsion towards men. Religions have never needed to get men to believe themselves attracted to women, for it's been abundantly clear that the majority of men would still desire women. Even praying the gay away is regarded as an individual solution, not needed for the majority of men. Meanwhile, the effort regarding women has …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:39 AM
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Yes, this transphobic male sexologist whose work turned out to be an apt descriptor for the sexuality of cis women, as found by Charles Moser. It is very telling that, instead of denying the validity of his findings, Julia Serano built her entire framework regarding traditional vs. oppositional sexism on the notion that autogynephilia constituted the normative form of female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:34 AM
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If you are looking for psychological studies, Psychopathia Sexualis is where it's at. It argued women's natural lack of sexual attraction could be overcome by the institution of marriage as women would feel a romantic bond to their husbands that would lead them to dervie physical satisfaction from sex. Ray Blanchard would later get very similar findings when studying trans women, a phenomenom he classified as autogynephilia. As Charles Moser later found, this dispostion is far from limited to tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:32 AM
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Ok, do you think most opposite sex romantic relationships would exist without comphet?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:28 AM
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They're mostly attracted to a small percentage of men that fit their emotional, ohysical and mental needs The emotional aspect was already covered by 19th century psychologists who acknowledged women's natural lack of sexual desire could be overcome through the institution of marriage whereby women would come to feel a romantic bond to their husbands
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:27 AM
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This is actually where Psychopathia Sexualis comes in handy. 19th century psychologists found it within normal female sexuality to require romantic displays from their husbands to derive physical satisfaction from men. So the notion that they actually need to look up to their husbands, that it is a man's responsibility to overcome a woman's natural lack of sexual desire, as a part of responsive desire, really is a position that has been defended by 19th century psychologists who intended to lend…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:23 AM
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Pregnancy can easily be bypassed by not engaging in PIV or acts that lead to pregnancy. There really is a lot of mutually enjoyable activities that are available. And as for violence, I'm not even sure casual sex is inherently more risky than commited relationships. IPV is rampant, so if anything, we might expect women to actually have sex more often through hookups than in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:18 AM
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Then why did society even need comphet? We might turn to transfeminism instead. Julia Serano actually validates the notion of autogynephilia as a normative form of female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:15 AM
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Except Moser did apply the survey to cis women, and found 93% of them were autogynephilic. And autogynephilia really can account for most of the female sexual response cited by you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:12 AM
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Then I doubt your situation is normative. Unlike what the incels would have us believe, most women did not sleep around when they were younger. I do not discard the notion that some women might feel genuine attraction for men, but it can't be more than a small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:09 AM
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Then we might turn to Ray Blanchard, who is of a lot of use because he wasn't actually intending to explore female sexuality. He found that autogynephilic women don't actually desire the man with whom they're having sex, but only heterosexuality as an institution in which they're taking part.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:08 AM
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I think you severely underestimate the degree to which our society relies on comphet. Comphet exists for a reason, and without it it would be basically impossible to get women to have sex with men in a reliable basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:04 AM
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only that the systems in place do not leave them with any other choice. Which is to say the systems in place were necessary to get them to have sex with men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:03 AM
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My argument is that many authors from wildly different traditions and approches have still managed to agree on this fact while disagreeing on basically everything else. If I were to expect a proof of heterosexuality, I'd expect women who have easy access to sex, which is to say the overwhelmingly majority of them, to actually take advantage of that access. Not with me, they can do 80/20 all they want. If it really was Chad having easy sex with women, I'd believe the majority of women are attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:02 AM
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Do you think that, without the institutions that reinforce comphet, most existing marriages would exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:55 AM
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Julia Serano has written a lot on the subject
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:54 AM
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Adrienne Rich did say women don't actually desire men and are only brainwashed into thinking they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:53 AM
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I'm not an expert, so I instead cited experts on female sexuality from a variety of contradicting traditions and approaches. They still agreed on this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:52 AM
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And the three strains I've identified all agree that female desire for men is not a neurological reality, only a social construct. And radfems definitely don't think female heterosexuality is real. That's literally what Adrienne Rich was writing about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:51 AM
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Are you actually, or is it just comphet? Many such cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:48 AM
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200 years ago? Julia Serano is very much alive. I'd consider actual heterosexuality to be. as implied by the name, sexual desire for people of the opposite gender, not as a prop for yourself, but as a genuine object of desire. A good example of who doesn't count would be Andrew Tate, who has even gone so far as saying sex with women for pleasure is a sign of homo sexuality. He'd be classified as an autoandrophile instead of heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:47 AM
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Except women have actually shown performative interest in me in the past. My post actually adresses the question of why women can have, and even enjoy, sex with men under a variety of contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:44 AM
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Whatever you do don’t believe actual women about their lived experience. I actually do. I've gone so far as mentioning the takes of women from Simone de Beauvoir to Julia Serano in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:38 AM
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If she's not going to enjoy sex with me then she shouldn't bother pretending she's into me in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:40 PM
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No, now they just prefer men who are diseased so they won't need to see them again
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:32 PM
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The difference is that money is scarce by its very nature. Sex can only be scarce artificially. So in theory anyone can give me sex (and even that is a bad framing, since it's meant to be mutually enjoyable), which is not the case with money. Or at least, they are not constrained in how much sex they can give me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:26 PM
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Loneliness isn't actually the problem. I already made a post about it last week.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:25 AM
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I literally don't know what this question is about. It is a good day to not be an Instagram user.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:14 AM
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It must be so terrible to employ a gym locker room the way it was meant to be employed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:33 PM
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biological women deserve to be safe Safe from whom? This literally goes to show how trans women can be massively harmed by man vs. bear narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:29 PM
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That possibility actually sounds terrifying, because it means you could theoretically perform it backwards. Imagine if the punishment for a crime was causing you crippling gender dysphoria by altering your brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:27 PM
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And in the context of gender, the prefix trans just means the configuration of an external anatomy assigned at birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:18 PM
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Why the fuck would I want that? I like having some personal space.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:13 PM
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Then I guess I can eat all the TRANS-fats I want, then, because they're not fats
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 08:59 PM
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Then why is Amanda Palmer so hot? Don't get me wrong, she is a terrible person. But she is still hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 08:38 PM
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Are these alphas in the room right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 08:04 PM
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You really shouldn't. They deserve better than partners who will never be into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 08:04 PM
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I wear my hair short on purpose and speak my mind What does that have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 12:23 PM
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All you know is he became an alcoholic and also was reading MGTOW content
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 12:21 PM
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Quite telling that you consider saying most relationships aren't actually worth it for 99% of men nowadays is depression content
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 12:04 PM
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That society could afford to not be so hostile to men who aren't interested in forming romantic partnerships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:58 AM
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Yes, I'd say I also have them myself
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 10:49 AM
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It really is not. Medieval society literally had to invent courtly love because it couldn't get HVM to simp for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:32 AM
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Candace Owens seems to be doing pretty well for herself. Well, not psychologically, but you get my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 08:35 AM
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If that were true, no woman would have ever struggled getting a man to commit to marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:13 AM
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If they enjoyed sex with men, they sure wouldn't stigmatise PUAs for what they regard as pumping and dumping
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:38 AM
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But the women in question aren't saying men should exist authentically. They'll say it's problematic for men to not want to drink sweet colourful cocktails that taste like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:12 AM
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Not true. The most vocal supporter of pegging I know is a liberal right wing ambivalent-on-feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:10 AM
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Uh-huh. And it just happens to be the community telling him to decenter women that's fucking up his brain. Interesting how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:07 AM
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Misandry against trans women really is so much worse. It was shocking to me to hear plenty of people talking about the man vs. bear while completely neglecting how that narrative hurts trans women. So, when bigots talk about trans women in bathrooms, they aren't expecting anyone to picture Hunter Schaeffer. It really hinges on people holding negative attitudes towards masculinity (also why Julia Serrano's framework is bullshit–it sidelines the struggles of gnc trans women). To them, trans women …
/r/MensRights22/02/26 03:55 AM
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I too can relate to not feeling like interacting when your peers. When more than half of the people you considered friends supported the dictatorship that destroyed your country, you'll probably get it too. But anyways, it is interesting that, after everything he's going through, her concern is that he supports a movement that's for decentering women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:33 AM
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It is bad advice for a man to get married at any age. Marriage is an instituition created to oppress us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:04 AM
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I don't think nerdy femboys are that rare
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:50 AM
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Women already invented marriage to scam men. It was time we could scam you for some payback.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:45 AM
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I'm a zero n count man and idaf about anyone else's n count as long as all of those encounters happened consensually
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:24 AM
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I highly value independence, boldness and curiosity. Those don't seem to be all that common among women, at least to the degree I prize them. Just going off of your values, you do sound like we might be compatible fwiw. As for achievements I'm striving for, just getting a nice job would be fine atm. I'm actually off the market right now due to just how demotivating long term unemployment is for doing basically anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:07 AM
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I don't know, maybe that kind of external feedback he receives from people pressuring him into being in unfulfilling relationships might be what's driving his alcoholism. Which is exactly my point: society is not nice to men whose lives don't revolve around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 12:46 AM
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Women already consider it as misogyny when they are held to the same standards as men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 12:03 AM
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That would be an option if they actually liked men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 11:49 PM
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It must be so awful of us to expect women who approach us to not act like they're settling for us
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 11:47 PM
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That thing about men not knowing what a natural look is is bullshit. Last time I said I preferred women without makeup on this sub, and got asked by a woman to name women whom I thought didn't wear makeup, she went, "um, ackshually they're ugly."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 11:43 PM
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Then don't have sex with people you don't like. It really is that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 11:03 PM
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It's no secret women don't like men that much
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 11:01 PM
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It sure is nice when people blame the victim. "If you're so nice, why do you make us look hateful towards you?"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:15 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/search/?q=mgtow&cId=97e39f81-8fbc-4070-9540-3d086d5193f7&iId=3ae908dc-536d-4816-8739-3786b236ffa9 You tell me how many posts you need to read before you notice a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:11 PM
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And women hate that. Just look at how they speak about MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 07:45 PM
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That's misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 06:34 PM
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And then they wonder why we don't believe in the existance of straight women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:54 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/search/?q=mgtow&cId=97e39f81-8fbc-4070-9540-3d086d5193f7&iId=3ae908dc-536d-4816-8739-3786b236ffa9 You tell me how many posts you need to read before you notice a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:44 AM
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We already know women disagree. That'd been made clear when they first heard about MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:38 AM
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Nice point. But have you considered it is our obligation to have our lives revolve around women and refusing makes us misogynists?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:18 AM
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To be honest, your weight by itself doesn't sound like a problem at all (though it is important how you carry it, body fat percentages might vary a lot). If I'm thinking of the criteria for which I've rejected women in the past, the main have been a lack of ambition. If it only ever feels like it is her who is looking up to me, but has nothing to show for herself (no hobbies, no passions or drive), I'm generally not interested. But that only really applies when it comes to determining if I recip…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:17 AM
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I am such a terrible person for expecting the bare minimum
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 07:53 AM
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And I too am going to be nonspecific a lot of times. Because society is way past Dunbar's number.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:51 AM
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Newsflash: I'm a random man to a lot of people
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:41 AM
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That's not how identity works. I don't stop being a man the moment I'm in the presence of women who already are familiar with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 11:32 AM
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I'm not actually offended by the bear thing. In fact, it makes me feel like a Gigachad to know I'm more intimidating than a bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 09:21 AM
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Hint: a DNA test is definite proof, but most will be able to know by looking at you in the face
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:37 AM
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If this shit ever goes mainstream, I'll just have to become a cistercian monk
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:24 AM
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i tell men to imagine the times tou had a birthday and your lazy girlfriend said sex was your birthday gift. Versus something cool or fun you wanted for a birthday Fine by me. It really is enough if she lets me go down on her for a couple of hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:32 PM
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Yes, I think there was also this group that was 13% of the population and accounted for half of violent crime
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:17 PM
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There's plenty of ugly women in relationships. Really, all it takes is showering and not wearing enough make up to look like a clown. If you can't find a bf, it's probably your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:14 PM
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But poly people still regard their side partners as such. There's no such thing in the Amazon.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:44 AM
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That's only as regards to sex. They are still monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:26 AM
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Guess I really am doomed if I'm stuck with the non slut women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:42 AM
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It is on the floor if you're a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 07:09 PM
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If it was so obvious surely you'd be able to prove it with science
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:24 AM
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It never is the job of a woman to back up her claims, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:19 AM
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Not that you ever proved my preferences not being the mainstream with science
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:11 AM
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The thing is, you can't really explain what it means to be red pilled without bringing up The Matrix. Neo had a boring office job which represents everything society expected from him. It really has a lot of ramifications covering all areas of life, but considering this is mostly a dating forum, we might equate that with limiting sex to monogamous marriage, probably with the intention of raising children within the nuclear family structure. So, everything that supports pushing a normative lifest…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:48 AM
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True. Women prefer it when men just die. This is because they're not actually into men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:43 AM
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Interesting how that includes makeup and shaving products. So women literally spend money on making themselves less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:42 AM
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Yeah, my biggest gripe with feminism is the sex negativity too. They love complaining about some very tame depictions of women in media while completely ignoring how often men get sexualised too (e.g. Chris Evans in the MCU, the Heated Rivalry Netflix adaptation, most male character designs in the Street Fighter series). Men hardly ever care about the latter existing and being very common in media, yet somehow when women get a fraction of that it's a societal problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 06:00 AM
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True. All it takes is a look at r/SexPositive for one to notice that sex positive feminists will admit to feeling alienated from most of the feminist movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:59 AM
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most women actually put a shit ton of effort (and money) into their appearances [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:39 AM
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Feminists would beg to differ
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:17 AM
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Pretty much. It accepts the tenets of the black pill and proposes detachment as a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:41 PM
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Hunter gatherer populations have been universally observed to be monogamous. Which is not to say they never have casual sex while partnered, but holding romantic relationships with multiple people at the same time is not a thing for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:58 PM
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They need a man who's not afraid to do what's needed. A Sulla for our modern age.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:45 PM
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This makes many women repress their desire for men they think are hot if they also like their personalities. Truly one of the comphet arguments of all time
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:18 PM
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As designer babies become reality, women will naturally choose their babies to be born as girls. This really looks like the way to go. It leaves the few women attracted to men with an even ratio against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:12 AM
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Why would that be bad? It would mean there'd be no men left for women to oppress.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:26 AM
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Nothing happening in reality has shit to do with what feminists describe. In fact, Epstein's power can be attributed to society's overreliance on monogamous marriage, which empowered people who had access to secrets that could ruin powerful people's reputation (I really doubt all of the implicated entries on his list had actually been with minors, for relying on having secrets about everyone who happens to be an ephebophile would be far from enough; Epstein also needed to have included a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:34 AM
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Those are not mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:28 AM
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Horse girls are fine. Patriarchy is when men and horses run everything, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:15 AM
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You're talking about the few remaining liberals in the Democrat party, like Booker and Beshear. They're practically fringe figures by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 11:22 PM
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The fuck does being red pilled have to do with transphobia? The literal concept was laid down by two trans women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 10:15 PM
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I sure love when women display toxic masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:04 PM
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Swifties
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:02 PM
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If you're talking about the US, the youth vote is tilting significantly less Democratic than in previous generations. Namely, Trump made huge gains among young men in 2024. I believe this is simply due to the increasing rates of singlehood. Couples tend to vote together. Back in the day, being coupled with women brought a lot of young men to vote Democrat, but that pipeline is simply not there when they can't get a girlfriend. Particularly, I could imagine a lot of apolitical men who in the past…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:00 PM
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Worse. They treat them the way they'd like to treat cis men. It's misandry directed against people without cis privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:32 PM
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I do desire women. Plenty of men do, and some desire men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:15 AM
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A few women have performatively shown attraction to me, so your argument makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:57 AM
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The difference is men can actually be attracted to the opposite gender, so bi men do exist. Though my advice sure would be to stick to men since women won't desire them anyways. It sure is what I would do if I was bi.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:44 AM
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It's not a lesbian "side" if you don't actually like men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:32 AM
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they just don't date I honestly do find that best for everyone if they'd be performative at best
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:27 AM
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lots of women were told when girls that it's bad to show desire too quickly That is none of my business. If they have that kind of baggage, they shouldn't be dating in the first place to avoid wasting anyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:15 AM
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Speaking as one of the titular lonely men, I do think hookups (not even that, just outward demonstrations of desire) are all that's needed. In fact, I don't really care about my loneliness that much, I probably should make some post on the subject in the near future and what could actually work. But long story short, loneliness is not the problem, it's the lack of desirability. You could give me the power to end the male loneliness epidemic and I wouldn't even be motivated to do so much as move …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:02 AM
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When did I ever mention anyone forcing the matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:41 AM
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women aren’t born looking good straight outside of the womb Yeah, that's because I'm not a nepiophile. I'm probably never dating a nepiophile either, so I don't expect her to have found me attractive at that stage either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:39 AM
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Not really
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:37 AM
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No, it's women who decide to be performatively straight
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 12:52 AM
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But most women who do go on dates with men don't actually desire them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 12:05 AM
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As is their right. This is totally unrelated to what OP is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:49 PM
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If we're to apply the rules of reciprocity, then we should also expect our dates to actually desire us. Which is as rare as it's always been.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:47 PM
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They're free to date whomever they want or not. That has nothing to do with OP's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:42 PM
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We're not upset, just disappointed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:36 PM
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It doesn't really matter. Everyone has room to improve, and it's good that at least men are encouraged to do so. I find it a massive problem of society-wide misogyny that women are never expected to improve to the same degree. You don't really see any kind of content like that aimed at women. You can even see it in Hollywood. MCU actors are known for needing to keep up some streneous regimens (Chris Evans dropped a lot of weight after Endgame, and said in an interview he was relieved that stage …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:32 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 10:31 PM
-1

You should be, actually
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:16 AM
1

It just suffices with looking up internalised misogyny in any feminist subreddit like 2XC to see how they think of gnc women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:59 PM
1

Well, I only ever hear them stigmatize gnc women for being pick mes. It's never the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:52 PM
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That has nothing to do with my point
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:40 PM
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I too have an adult woman fetish
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:56 PM
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Women ages 18-25 aren't attractive very often. This isn't even to mention the problem of the oldest teenager in the room. I'm 27 and 20 year olds already are basically children to me. So I'd suppose men in their 30s would be even more demanding in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:42 PM
-1

Ok, time to tip your landlord, rentoid
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 08:21 AM
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Yes, that's the actual practice. Doesn't mean the fantasy does involve violence. And after she marries Wynand, he isn't even doing CNC. It's normal vanilla sex (with full consent too). Dominique literally seeks him bscause she expects being married to him to be degrading by itself. It's not, which actually makes her hate the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 08:21 AM
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Hurting her totally is part of it sometimes. Going by The Fountainhead as an instance, Roark totally does CNC with Dominique. Her entire arc throughout the second half book is looking for a man whom she feels can take posession of her in the most degrading way imaginable. And the author did describe Dominique as herself on a bad day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:27 AM
1

Are you really so misandric as to want to keep men around to emotionally abuse them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:36 PM
2

Either that or change society's gender ratio to make less men per women. Sex selective abortions are the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:21 PM
1

I'm confident 95% of social problems could be solved by not offering women validation
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 05:12 PM
1

It would be so nice if that were true
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:51 PM
1

And I deserve better than that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:50 PM
1

If I never get the feel that they can see me as a sex object, they're wasting my time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 04:01 AM
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No, I'm purposefully filtering out women who only waste my time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:55 AM
1

That is none of my business
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:46 AM
1

My personality is just the excuse through which she lies to herself
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:37 AM
1

That they're not genuinely into me yet still pretend to be
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:20 AM
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Women only ever show interest in me after they get to know me as a person. I deserve better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:24 AM
1

Begrudginly it seems. Like I already explained, they really expect men to give them an excuse as to why they should be having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:08 AM
1

Your interpretation would require me to assume that women do in fact like men yet don't actually want anything to do with us
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:35 PM
1

Occam's razor applies. It simply follows that women, as a rule, are not into men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:31 PM
1

If that were true, Tinder and Bumble wouldn't be failures. Guess which app is not? Grindr.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:22 PM
1

Ok, so do you believe women are never influenced by our society to believe themselves to be naturally attracted to men and look for men on whom they can project their expectations to convince themselves of such attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:13 PM
2

That "genuine" attraction has already been extensively covered by Adrienne Rich and other prominent feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:04 PM
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If by normal female sexuality you mean a comphet-induced delusion, sure
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:57 PM
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I can tell by the amount of times (if spare) that women have shown interest in me after getting to know me. They couldn't actually desire me, they needed to care about who I was as a person to justify why they might just put up with physical contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:52 PM
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I wouldn't say they necessarily dislike them, but men in relationships are rarely ever desired. Comphet really is everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:47 PM
1

That'd be the particular case: women not continuing to seek relationships with men they don't actually like. The general case should be disaffiliating from thrir identity as straight/bi when they're not actually into men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:40 PM
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I think it'd be enough for women to drop the performative attraction they often have for men. When a woman shows interest im me, I expect her to actually be into me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:34 PM
0

So again, the focus is on the duty of men to serve women better
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:11 PM
1

Ok, and what room does hooks leave for self love? There really is very little where she talks about it compared to the primacy of romantic relationships, implicitly with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:48 PM
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Except those who do. Alice Oseman wrote an entire fiction book on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:20 PM
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There are certain uniforms that men are going to find to be a turnoff. I doubt so. Men as a general rule have notoriously low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:17 PM
2

Why are Tinder and Bumble failures but Grindr isn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:56 PM
0

But yet it's still common for women to be attracted tobmen who are tall, muscular, and stronger though. Newsflash: they're not actually attracted to them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:34 PM
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Ok, where does any of that leave loveless aros?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:24 PM
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Yup, right what a fifth columnist would say
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:22 PM
1

Then what does she support according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:11 PM
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But for men who've internalized a lot of patriarchy growing up, that patriarchy is a barrier to a fully realized life So she's literally trying to create fifth columnists
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:10 PM
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Ok, and must I assume it is only TERFs who claim that women not wanting to shave their legs or wear make up is actually internalised misogyny and vying for male attention by putting other women down?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:08 PM
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Idk, an author who constantly hammers in on love as a solution to structural problems and reinforces the centrality of romantic partnerships does sound amatonormative
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:07 PM
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She does view male emotional deprivation as structural. Regardless of the valodity of the claim, the issue is that she defines emotional health almost exclusively as the capacity for the type of intimacy required in a romantic partnership. If a man finds fulfillment outside of this structure, hooks frames this as a wound or severing instead of a valid variance in human personality. This is amatonormative to the core: if you aren't prioritizing Love (capital L), you are broken. Also, why does she…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:10 AM
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Uh huh. So her entire solution boils down to reducing men to love objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:51 AM
1

Yet you argue against tipping landlords. Their main contribution to society is squeezing rentoids out of their money so they can no longer fuel consoomerism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:47 AM
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As Tolkien warned us, the greatest tragedy is when the side of good performs terrible deeds, for that destroys the possibility of good ever winning. When she argues against the oppression of men, yet devises a system where men still need to conform to amatonormative standards, is when our alerts should be strongest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:46 AM
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Hope the state buys you your funko pops then
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:35 AM
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So now you do complain about the cost of living like those rentoids do. Guess all you care about is how to buy more funko pops and be a better consoomer after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:32 AM
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It must be so empathetic to expect us to center our efforts on forming romantic relationships with women because it simply is our duty
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:30 AM
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Calling them parasites is always the first step. It did work in Rwanda, after all. And guess what? Tutsi originally meant capital owner. There really is nothing new under the sun.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:28 AM
1

Yes, they are the most indispensable workers in our society
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:22 AM
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No, liberalism is when you actually do praxis and tip your landlord instead of complain about how things used to be better in the 50s (this is why the left loves that chart of real productivity against real wages)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 10:07 AM
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Leftism has been about fueling consoomerism ever since Keynes entered the picture. Now you have rentoids complaining about how the cost of living makes funko pops unaffordable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:55 AM
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The left just hates anything that's real work. I don't make the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:46 AM
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Progressives do not support sex work. If they did, it wouldn't be real work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:38 AM
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Doing that for the male gaze sounds quite braindead. How does that even appeal to men? Anyway, when I look up internalised misogyny in feminist subreddits, it's always them calling gnc women not like other girls and pick mes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:27 AM
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Ok, and must I assume it is only TERFs who claim that women not wanting to shave their legs or wear make up is actually internalised misogyny and vying for male attention by putting other women down?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:17 AM
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Guess the F stands for FedEx
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:07 AM
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My sister in Satan, feminists did harass the shit out of Imane Khelif
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:52 AM
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Feminists sure love upholding traditional gender norms. That's why they accuse gnc women of being pick mes with internalised misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:10 AM
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So you think men should be caged within the monogamous relationship structure?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 06:19 AM
1

Except the fish and bicycle analogy is valid. Women don't need men, nor should it be the other way around. Yet bell hooks intends peaceful cooperation to mean men having the obligation to partner up. It simply is feminism with a human face, and has the potential to be even more vicious because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:59 AM
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That literally is implicit in the title of The Will to Change. Men are implied to be in need of changing so we can serve women better and be their allies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:17 AM
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What advantage is there in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:16 AM
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Is there anything specific she said you have an objection to? Read my post again and say where I lost you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:10 AM
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Guess you did get me there. bell hooks is just feminism with a human face.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:09 AM
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She doesn't really openly support natalism, her argument is about men having the duty to enter a romantic relationship through which they will be "rehabilitated" into allies of feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:02 AM
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Then feel free to live burdened inside the nuclear family structure then. Literally what feminists have been defending the whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:01 AM
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I don't have any direct quotes, but she's probably the main promoter of the argument on how patriarchy hurts men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:59 AM
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What does that have to do with my argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:54 AM
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Ok, so you do admit that bell hooks is arguing in favour of caging men inside the traditional family structure
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:33 AM
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Plenty of closeted gay men are also married to women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:56 AM
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Frotting is a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:50 AM
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Straight women also like men That's where you're wrong, kiddo
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:45 AM
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idk about that. I've heard couples with two gender conforming men are the ones that usually receive the most backlash irl
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:44 AM
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They do love when we die
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:41 AM
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True. Had Love Lies Bleeding been directed by a man, it'd be called the most male gazey film in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 11:24 PM
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look at the amount of effort the average woman puts in her looks compared to the average man It wasn't women who invented looksmaxxing, was it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:28 PM
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Is there even anyone saying the opposite?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:57 AM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:07 AM
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No, you are the one who made a baseless accusation regarding porn brained ideas. I don't watch porn, and I do believe, due to the incontrovertible observable reality, that women are not generally attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:05 AM
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That doesn't answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:59 AM
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Ok, and what does that have to do with attracting men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:58 AM
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I guess it must all be a happy coincidence
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:53 AM
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Ok, how does laser even help women attract men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:53 AM
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Yup, I guess I must have forgotten the time Marvel picked Danny de Vito to play Captain America and placed gratuitous shots of his body in every film he's in
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:52 AM
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what do you call waxing, shaving, makeup every day and daily skincare routines are then? The first three are stuff that women do to draw male attention away from them. The other one is something metrosexuals were known for doing 20 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:48 AM
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Ok, which of those procedures has Katy O'Brian had?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:43 AM
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Then surely it wouldn't involve procedures and practices that ruin their looks
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:36 AM
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I don't even watch porn. I wonder where I must have gotten the idea that women don't like men. It certainly can't have been observing women's behaviour, can it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:35 AM
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When have women ever done that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:34 AM
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Those kinds of stories are about poor women learning to fit in within the upper class. Cinderella's problem with her dress getting destroyed wasn't that she would look ugly, but that a woman with common clothes wouldn't be perceived as a viable match due to being dressed like a poor woman. Likewise with María la del Barrio, she simply was uncouth and didn't know how to behave around rich people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:33 AM
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Literally none of that has to do with attracting men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:30 AM
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Literally when have they done that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:03 AM
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I think that's simply because men have been conditioned to care about our own attractiveness more than women have. It sure wasn't women who invented looksmaxxing, so it makes sense that the average woman wouldn't put as much effort as the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:57 AM
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It’s because men don’t want to pay especially if the money goes to a woman Can confirm. I don't even watch regular porn because that would mean driving up visits for female creators.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:47 PM
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Women feeling sexual attraction for men is a very rare phenomenom. The fact alone that it's guys in my DMs asking for dick pics highlights that men are a lot more likely to feel attraction for men than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:35 PM
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The whole problem is seeing males as default and measuring women against that. I already thoroughly explained to you why that's an excuse created by comphet
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:32 PM
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How do you know that the women who “feigned” attraction feigned it and it wasn’t real? They always showed such an act only after getting to know me as a person. It's like they needed who I was inside to justify why they would ever sexually desire a man. Real attraction needs no justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:24 PM
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How would it make sense for them to have lost attraction if they always acted like that? They just seemed to like who I was as a person and assumed that meant they had to be into me. And one of the quotes I picked up was taken straight out of The Second Sex. It's not a view propped up only by fringe feminists. I'd regard attraction as the feeling that makes you able to see someone as a sex object, to desire to have their body bring you pleasure, which I've found no evidence of in the neurologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:08 PM
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Stay single then, that's also a valid choice
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:44 PM
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Just look for men with no other options if you want commitment. There never will be a shortage of simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:24 PM
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I think some of women might feel an actual attraction for men, but they're a very small minority. I used to believe my best friend to be one such case, but then they came out as non binary. As to the exact reasons, I'm not a woman, so I can't tell for sure. But feminists have discussed the topic at large and I defer to them on this matter. All I can speak of is women I know, some of whom did performatively feign attraction to me. I could always tell something was off about it. What was noticeabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:21 PM
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If nature is to be invoked, one can say that all women are naturally homosexual. The lesbian, in fact, is distinguished by her refusal of the male and her liking for feminine flesh; but every adolescent female fears penetration and masculine domination, and she feels a certain repulsion for the male body; on the other hand, the female body is for her, as for the male, an object of desire. –Simone de Beauvoir The failure to examine heterosexuality as an institution is like failing to admit that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:50 PM
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you can see it in men who are against religion or liberal in general and still they prefer lower n women, It is not a choice, its just how our bodies work. [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:24 PM
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My argumentis what feminists have been saying since decades. Women, by and large, feel no natural attraction to men. Feel free to read the work of Adrienne Rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:18 PM
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That the problem is spamming, not sex work
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:42 PM
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Are you sure all OF creators are spamming every tangentially related space?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:35 PM
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I expect you to have a journal article backing up your claim within five business days
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:31 PM
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How about you get a peer reviewed source instead of some random poll?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:29 PM
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Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:28 PM
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I think common sense is enough sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:26 PM
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I have no hate for either OF creators or porn actors. It is a valid way to make money. That still doesn't mean I watch either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:25 PM
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No internal questions are allowed
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:23 PM
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yes/no questions are not allowed there. It really is common sense that it's bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:22 PM
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Do you have any evidence of it working?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:18 PM
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They do use removing hair to attract men Which is an absolutely stupid strategy and the equivalent of trying to sell booze to mormons
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:14 PM
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Feminists did hit on the nail when talking about comphet. Women's attraction towards men clearly is very performative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:13 PM
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Women’s and men’s attraction and sexuality works differently Truly one of the comphet arguments of all time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:04 PM
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For attracting men, or mormons
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:03 PM
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It is a moral failing if they do performatively pretend to be attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:55 PM
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Their behaviour. For instance, I occasionally get a few guys in my DMs asking me for dick pics. The only woman who ever did was married and said how it was larger than her husband's, so I think that was a cuck fetish on his part more than her own genuine attraction. There's a reason why Tinder and Bumble are failures but Grindr isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:54 PM
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Female attraction towards men is overwhelmingly performative and propped up by a lifetime of comphet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:49 PM
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Actions speak louder than words. A woman can claim to find a man attractive, yet it is her behaviour that one should pay attention to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:40 PM
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Men too release quite a lot of oxytocin. So much that it'll often trigger a refractory period. So that argument is bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:34 PM
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Uh huh. I can claim I love McDonald's all I want and not once go into one to make an order too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:29 PM
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All I'm doing is enforcing healthy personal boundaries. Which misandric women hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:24 PM
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Not all forms of sex can result in pregnancy or STI transmission
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:23 PM
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Doesn't mean either is a sound strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:22 PM
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You just want casual sex and, for some reason, won't admit it That has literally nothing to do with my question
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:19 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:18 PM
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If she wont fuck strangers, that means she's not attracted to them Where's the lie tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:13 PM
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The user above was claiming that shaving appeals to men, which makes as much sense as claiming vodka appeals to mormons
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:00 PM
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Mormons don't drink booze
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 05:30 PM
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Idk I don't watch porn. But I'm a firm supporter of believing women, so when women say they don't shave or wear clown levels of make up for men, I believe them. And also because of basic common sense. It would be an incredibly stupid move, and I'm not misogynistic enough to believe women are that stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:18 AM
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And that reality has literally no empirical evidence, uh-huh
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 10:01 AM
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It must be so terrible of me to expect sources when women feel like they have the right to define who I can be attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:57 AM
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It sure has no source at all
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:54 AM
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When you make baseless accusations about who's driving shaving in women, sure
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:53 AM
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I don’t hate men. Then you must be great at disguising the fact
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:50 AM
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Do you have literally any source to back that up?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:28 AM
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Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:26 AM
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Sounds like a fucking supid idea. What's next, selling vodka to appeal to Mormons?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:19 AM
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The fuck does shaving have to do with the male gaze?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:15 AM
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I'd cast my doubt on that. If my 4 year old nephew said he already considers himself a man, I wouldn't think he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 03:12 AM
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Should we just assume any sex, or do you need to make your partner orgasm? See, I can also draw arbitrary boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 03:10 AM
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Yes, honey, oppression is stored in the balls
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:52 AM
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Boy do I have news for you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:22 PM
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Surgeons are artificially constrained due to licensing requirements. Just lower the barriers to entry and you solve the problem. Basically no country is as strict with medical practice licensing as America.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:16 PM
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It's expensive if you're paying out of pocket. Because surgeons are incredibly well paid, even compared to the median professional. The trade off being that waiting times are very low in the US. Lengthening wait times might actually go a long way in reducing the cost of healthcare since many patients might simply get dissuaded from seeking treatment. That also is one factor driving up the number of procedures per capita in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:10 PM
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Americans already are quite well off. The middle class can afford to take a hit for once. If that's not enough, it might just be how generous the American healthcare system is. So the solution would be to cut Medicare's extensive coverage and bring it down to the standards of other developed countries. So knee replacements and other expensive treatments will need to be out of pocket. That makes premiums incredibly cheaper for the middle class and relieves the tax burden. Of course, the biggest c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:51 PM
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Ok, their companies still have to pay a lot in corporate income taxes. And they likely already paid a lot before being billionaires.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:38 PM
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That only applies to the richest of the rich. Most of the 1% still needs to spend money they earn as income. And that means paying a lot of taxes. Billionares are such a tiny fraction of the population yet everyone seems so laser focused about what they're up to. So much for protecting minorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:30 PM
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Which is already a lot compared to the rest of the population. The top 1% already pays 40% of federal income tax. Americans are so entitled that they devised a system to squeeze every penny out of big finance and make it so the middle class would enjoy abyssmally low taxes. In countries like Denmark, the bottom 50% of earners actually pays a higher share of their income in aggregate taxes than the top 10%.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:20 PM
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That really is a weird claim to make considering how the latest federal tax break in the US will have basically no net income effect on the top .1% of earners. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/07/01/ten-charts-to-explain-trumps-big-beautiful-bill
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:12 PM
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That only shows women identify as more liberal than before, which is completely unrelated. In fact, I'd cast doubt even on women being more liberal than men since the men I know are, on average, more liberal than the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:07 PM
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Then men should actually insist when their wives tell them they don't want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:09 PM
1

You did say humans weren't supposed to be monogamous. Which isn't backed by anthropology.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:08 PM
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That's exactly OP's point: leftists attribute singleness to socioeconomic changes. Which might be a correct assessment to some degree. In fact, woke gap relationships are such a meme I'm not even sure the political mismatch might factor in.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:05 PM
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That claim is about women's behaviour not aligning with their actions. Which I don't even think is that common of a belief among men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:01 PM
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To begin with, this post literally is an excuse to accuse men of stuff they didn't even say
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:56 PM
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Singleness
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:55 PM
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Similar to men trying to get their wives to engage in sex after wives declared they arent interested or attracted anymore. My sister in Satan, OP literally was complaining about men not insisting after being turned down for sex. So it's all just an excuse to blame everything on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:54 PM
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Correction: people weren't supposed to be lifelong monogamous. Anthropological studies on hunter gatherer populations consistently find patterns of monogamous relationships, which aren't expected to be sexually exclusive in all populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:52 PM
2

Basically every post you make is an accusation against men without any backing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:48 PM
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Let's not deny them credit. A lot of young men did vote for a literal Peronist simply because he postured as anti woke. I doubt this strategy would've worked on the youth one generation ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:40 PM
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Meanwhile, guys in the sub cant even give an explanation for the claims they have against me. They can. You just don't like the explanation and pretend you never read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:36 PM
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Do you have any evidence of women being significantly to the left of where they used to be? I'd even go so far as saying the furthest left people I know are men. But that might just be me talking to men more often, so there's a sampling bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:34 PM
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Probably. I'd at least say progressive women used to partner up with largely apolitical men and make them sympathetic to progressive causes. That transmission mechanism is no longer there, so now we're settling on the natural affiliations of men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:32 PM
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It's no secret leftists love the 50s. They love sharing that chart of real productivity against wages. And they do have a point as regards to the cultural factors that made it easier for the left to be a politically relevant coalition. Simply put, the conservative shift among young men can easily be explained by singleness. Coupled people tend to vote together, so it stands to reason that women in the past would have held a moderating tendency on male political affiliation. If you are judging so…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:11 PM
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You are framing it all as an issue of male expectations without any backing. You claimed traditional femininity is in the service of men. Which again, it isn't. Women like you will seek excuses to accuse gnc women of being pick mes like you just did. Simply for foregoing traditional norms of femininity that are unappealing to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:49 PM
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Your claim that society “rewards femininity” only holds if we define femininity narrowly as a highly controlled aesthetic performance that is palatable to men The kicker is hardly ever needs to be palatable to men. It isn't for men that women shave their body hair or wear enough make up to look like clowns. In fact, women who don't want to do that will be accused of being pick mes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:38 PM
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That is overly simplistic. Trans women who fulfill normative standards of feminity will generally be treated a lot better than those who do not. It is not the same being Hunter Schaeffer as being Tiffany Moore. Society rewards feminitiy. Cisgender women will, however, have a bit more leeway in this regard as to how masculine they can present, but it is not unlimited. And when the ultimate point of denigration is being compared to a masculine man, it really does make one question why people claim…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:13 PM
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Uh-huh. And why does society hate trans women to begin with? When they fearmonger about cis women being assaulted in women's bathrooms, what kinds of stereotypes do they rely on? When they want people to see trans women as men, what kind of man do they expect their audience to perceive trans women as? It sure is not a femboy. This is because society hates masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:01 PM
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Don't you get men are responsible for anything women assume they believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:42 PM
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Totally. That is why society loves masculinity. Just look at how they treated Imane Khelif!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:36 PM
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The fuck does abortion have to do with being against feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:00 PM
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They're definitely not. Women with a high bodycount are healthily enjoying their sexuality. Men with a high bodycount are misogynists with a fear of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:52 PM
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That's only how female sexuality works wrt men, whom they're neurologically unable to be attracted to (with very few exceptions). Sapphic sexuality is rarely ever extraction based.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:43 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:31 PM
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Do restaurants even have gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:19 PM
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men of all ages openly admit that they’re most attracted to 18-22 women That's basically any category you can rank. You could also claim anyone, regardless of gender, will like 18-22 restaurants the most, or musical artists the most. And the number is irrelevant too. That argument would work for basically any number that wouldn't exceed an individual's capacity for rank. It really is a terrible argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:38 PM
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That's only because feminism only needed a name to label it once it was not the only option. It's like a fish having a name for water.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:42 AM
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I doubt the MGTOW movement by itself did all of that. Back in the 50s, Hugh Hefner had already questioned the basic tenets of monogamy and the nuclear family. He was decades ahead of modern poly communities. Of course, feminists are the main enforcers of monogamy, and so they pooled plenty of their activism into the stigmatization of men who didn't want to exist within the nuclear family structure. The term employed for that phenomenom was the flight from commitment. That is, the idea was that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:24 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_Heterosexuality_and_Lesbian_Existence
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:56 AM
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Correction: you know more women afflicted by comphet
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:46 AM
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At least you admit you subscribe to gender essentialism
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:39 AM
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Why would a woman ever want a man? Their neurology isn't wired to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:06 AM
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Idk about that. Most of my readers are male.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:45 AM
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Ace women are valid too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:02 AM
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I support all women willing to fight their own comphet
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:56 AM
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Because they aren't straight. Comphet is powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:55 AM
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I doubt you'd find any less posturing among coupled people talking about how much they love their relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:51 AM
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I don't think ugly women have it any harder. Simps are gonna simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:47 AM
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I don't think anyone owes anyone a relationship. Especially when it's obvious most women are neurologically incapable of felling attraction towards men. Would you really want to have a woman who won't ever be into you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:07 AM
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The takeaway here is that applying to jobs is hard. No need to take gender into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:00 AM
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Because you somehow think people being married means anything
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:40 AM
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real
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:39 AM
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Yes, that is a completely sound reasoning for the gender that is mostly straight
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:04 AM
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It's not their fault either. Comphet is a nasty beast.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:01 AM
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That's because most men are straight
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:57 PM
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Because it clearly was all performative and couldn't see me as a piece of meat. It's as if they needed to care about me as a person to pretend they were into me. I deserve better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:43 PM
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Except a few women have performatively shown interest in me in the past. It really does make it quite obvious how none of it's real.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:35 PM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:34 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:24 PM
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Well, they're not attracted to men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:17 PM
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Guess closeted dudes who have women as beards are also straight now
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:16 PM
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In The Matrix, Morpheus offers Neo a blue pill which will allow him to return to his normal life as if nothing had happened. Thus, the Blue Pill is a normative set of expectations imposed into people. For men, that generally involves the duty to settle and raise kids within a monogamous marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:56 PM
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Well I sure don't want children. Guess I'm stuck with the 21 year old. Which is not an issue provided she's mature enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:35 AM
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30 year old. The other one sounds too young for me. Though it still depends on what you mean by traditional wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:29 AM
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observing patterns and trends Literally the alt right dogwhistle
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:24 PM
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As always, no sources for any of your claims
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:05 PM
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From the perspective of a white person, it isn't "blacks get killed more than whites," it's blacks kill whites more than whites kill blacks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:02 PM
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Well, I'm pretty chopped myself, so I guess I'd have to pick the former simply due to being close to the floor
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:52 AM
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Men throughout their lives imagine themselves with hot 21 year olds no matter their look, weight or age [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 09:02 PM
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It sure is a way to get men with no standards. Specially given her looks. I know I'm chopped myself, but not that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:10 PM
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Showering. I definitely remember I used to be terrible at hygiene when I was a teenager, but women were a lot more likely to be into me (or at least pretended to) back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:29 AM
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Men shame other men like me for not being manly because they don't get off to trafficked women on film Bullshit. I've never been shamed due to my lack of porn consumption, and I will willingly stand behind anyone who is being shamed by others for consiming porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:39 PM
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I certainly wouldn't consider my queerness can only be such in a political context. Not that it's not a valid level of analysis, but to consider queernes inherently political would mean that, in a society that were fully accepting of queer people, queerness simply wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:04 PM
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In relation to hair removal for women, the current trend, we can see that this beauty norm is supported by a significant male preference for hairless women as well [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:44 PM
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Ok, how does that benefit men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:22 PM
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When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:44 PM
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It's always the most privileged people who complain the most
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:04 PM
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idk I've never felt discriminated for being aro and grayace
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:17 PM
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Guess if a lesbian is exclusively attracted to butches due to the masculinity that they present, she's straight too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:13 PM
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It's actually a w if I find out she has a line of dicks yet still fucks with me every once in a while
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:02 PM
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Yes, the total tax burden includes sales taxes. Poor people spend a higher share of their income, so that affects them more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:00 PM
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Rich Americans are taxed more, though. The tax system is built around making the lower and middle classes pay basically no taxes. In Denmark, the top 10% of earners pay a lower share of their income than the bottom 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:51 PM
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Guess you must have forgotten which country is the world leader in knee replacements. Good luck getting your insurance plan covering it anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:50 PM
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The dollar is losing its place as the global reserve currency. That transmission mechanism will no longer work pretty soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:48 PM
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A lot of RP theory suggests that past that age, women are simply unappealing to men [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:21 PM
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But for it to even count as patriarchy, it nerds to benefit men in any shape or form. Stop being obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 11:51 PM
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Consider how even Chris Chan got a gf (Flutter). She simply became massively famous and that's what it took. The point being that if you expand your pool enough, you are guaranteed to find someone who'll be into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:48 PM
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Thank you. This means so much coming from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:46 AM
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It does. I literally mentioned how women complain about patriarchy for their personal choices, and you said it actually is responsible. Which if it is, it must somehow serve men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:18 AM
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Then how does women shaving and waxing serve men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:14 PM
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So yes, they do it for themselves, but because someone imposed on our heads that's what is pretty and what isn't. So they blame patriarchy for their own choices. Women are notoriously allergic to accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:45 PM
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Women will repeatedly say none of that is to attract men and, judging by how it makes them look half of the time, they should be believed
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:20 PM
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That's only because men are expected to take care of our appearance. It wasn't women who invented looksmaxxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:53 PM
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The only proof I need is how Tinder and Bumble are failures but Grindr isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:31 PM
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Like I'm getting any sex to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:46 AM
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My bare minimum is what I'd expect of anyone who's going to be in a relationship with me. I happen to be exclusively attracted to women, which is tangential to this discussion. It is not my fault that this is too tall an order for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:18 AM
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My point is that having sex with a prostitute in this regard is no better than 99% of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:10 AM
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We must be such misogynists for expecting the bare minimum from a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:05 AM
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I just have enough of having to exist as a human 24/7. Sometimes I wish I could just be a sex toy for at least a couple of hours and only worry about how well I'm pleasing a lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:37 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:32 AM
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It sure does
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:10 AM
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The only winners of the "gender wars" are the corporations who use peoples lonelyness to exploit them. It always comes down to juridophobia, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:58 AM
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That's not the point, regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:49 AM
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I’m attracted to the person as a whole. It really sounds miserable to be with a woman who'd think of me like that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:49 AM
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But I doubt it'd be the sex by itself that'd satisfy him
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:47 AM
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That still doesn't mean I agree with that top level comment. She just said men could get what that guy is requesting from prostitutes. Which is missing the point since it's not sex by itself that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:45 AM
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It goes far beyond just hook ups. I occasionally receive DMs from guys asking me for dick pics. I've only received one from a woman (who then compared me to her husband, it's likely she was doing it bc he has a cuck fetish).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:43 AM
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I never made a top level comment on this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:40 AM
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Where did I say it needs to be daily?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:32 AM
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For one, Tinder and Bumble are utter failures. Grindr is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:22 AM
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No, it's you who says women are taking care of their appearance. I'm repeatedly saying how that is not true and actually the opposite is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:18 AM
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Or ace. Certainly not straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:17 AM
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You want to and need to believe women are bad so your hatred of us feels justified No; I just have too high expectations. Subjecting women to the same high standards as men tends to be considered misogynistic for some reason. You literally began this thread saying how it's only women who take care of their appearance, which is just not true. As I've proven, women will deliberately make themselves less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:02 AM
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Women just aren't attracted to men, as a general rule
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:59 AM
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It literally takes one internet search of "shaving patirarchy" to find countless feminists complaining about how doing something men hate is somehow due to patriarchal expectations. I can drop link all you want, but I don't think that even is necessary if you have at all listened to feminists complain about women's body image.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:47 AM
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Most of the time, yes. Most women are as capable of genuine attraction towards men as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:41 AM
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Same as most women in a relationship with a man. There really is no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:38 AM
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Prostitutes don't actually crave sex with their customers, generally speaking
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:29 AM
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It is an issue when that woman conjures a fictional patriarchy that is responsible for her choices in an attempt to shirk accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:58 AM
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If a woman says she's shaving to attract men and blame patriarchy, which is a lot of them, she's expecting me to assume she's incredibly stupid. I'm sorry I'm not misogynistic enough to imagine women would deliberately handicap their own attractiveness with the intetion of attracting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:47 AM
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Women dont't even want a provider. They just get a lot of pleasure from attention. A man can develop well tailored strategies to not giving their attention right away and make it low value (this is why women hate being catcalled), but at the end she'll only be with him because he exploited her neural pathways. She probably won't be into him either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:41 AM
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We can have peace once women stop acting one way while claiming to do another. Like gaslighting us into thinking they have a lot of beauty expectations imposed by patriarchy when it literally women doing it for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:37 AM
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And many teenage girls are horny and think about sex a lot So do a lot of aces. They're still valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:29 AM
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They do when they want to drive away male attention. They repeatedly say they're not trying to appeal to men and I am a firm supporter of believing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:27 AM
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Like the goal is to be considered appeasing to the eye I'm not misogynistic enough to think women are stupid enough to do this
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:16 AM
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You don't get to decide what men are attracted to. You don't own our sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:11 AM
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We pluck our eyebrows. We wax or laser body hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:54 AM
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Yet you described instances of women deliberately making themselves less attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:31 AM
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I'd just rather have a woman be actually into me beyond that performative attraction they'll show when they care if I show "good" traits. But I acknowledge that's too tall an order for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:03 AM
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Well, I'm not having sex with someone if she can't see me as an object either
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:57 PM
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Being guaranteed an orgasm doesn't mean it's a good orgasm. If it's between a mediocre orgasm after two minutes and a 4-hour session where I'm incredibly sweaty yet don't orgasm for some reason, I'm picking the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:54 PM
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I'm really put off by the notion that women are meant to reward good behaviour with sex. If she treats herself like a prize to be won like that, I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:49 PM
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Is it too high to want a man you feel safe with, who sees you as a human being and cares about your feelings I'd feel miserable if a woman picked me for this reason
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:45 PM
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Not even men picked by women who lowered their standards. That too sounds miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:38 PM
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That's a terrible idea. This is how men end up married to women who're not into them in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:34 PM
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This. Hypergamy is a force for good in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:25 PM
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Yes. I expect women to do the bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:20 PM
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We live in a society that overly-sexualizes women. [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:16 PM
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Lets assume you're right, what do you propose? Like you stated the "fact" what are the reasons why it is in a place and what might be a solutions? Women could simply stop pretending to be attracted to men. We know it's also a minority of men who are attracted to men, yet men who want to find other men generally don't find much issue in that regard. This is because when a man tells you he's attracted to men, he's incredibly likely to be telling the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:55 PM
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To say that women are straight is only to say that they expect a man to simp for them. All or almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight women reserve exclusively for other women. The people whom they admire, respect, adore, revere, honor, whom they imitate, idolize, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honor, reverence and love they desire… those are, overwhelmingly, ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:50 PM
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IPV would be so fucking high if that happened
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:43 PM
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If you are dressing to be attractive, it does not matter what you like or what is most comfortable. Attraction is not about you. Women understand this when it comes to fashion and grooming. That is why phrases like beauty is pain exist. We pluck our eyebrows. We wax or laser body hair. We do a lot of uncomfortable, time consuming things to maintain ourselves. So you do admit women delibarately handicap their own attractiveness and still get a lot of positive attention
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:42 PM
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Except most "straight" women are faking it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:55 PM
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27M in South America, atheist. I think sex is a shared activity where you can enjoy being mutually accountable for each other's orgasm. It's your way of telling someone you trust them with having a blast. Sure, masturbation can be nice, but you don't get to turn another person into a puddle of sweat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:49 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:47 PM
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Companionship sounds nice tbh. I'd ideally have a long term fwb.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:33 PM
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Just as a curiosity, which pill sees men as objects?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:30 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:24 PM
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The only job only men can do is male porn star
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:12 PM
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Agreed, you can shirk gender roles but that carries the cost of having to replace friend circles, and sometimes distancing/estranging family members. I guess it depends on how far you go? Which is why the corollary should be that society should be more open to people not wanting to identify with their AGAB. If they simply feel like it's a burden, as it is apparent many do, they should be free to leave it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:11 PM
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Applying this to the man label, firstly men have higher physical strength than women, and thereby there’s a lot of physical strength jobs that men must take and so less men available to take those would suck. Secondly, having higher stress work environments consistently for one gender increases risk for heart disease, stress illnesses, and in general leads to the gender discourse we have today. None of this means society needs people to identify as men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:34 PM
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Ok, so society will surely crumble if men stop identifying as such, somehow. The solution you propose is to make the job slightly nicer to people who never liked it in the first place because otherwise they'll leave. Which also involves destroying the joy it might bring to people who actually enjoyed that. It's all sound logic until you realise that you never explained why society needs people who hate the label to identify as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:56 AM
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Then, following your analogy, people should be forced to identify with their AGAB simply because society needs them to
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:44 AM
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If being a man does spark joy to them, they shall stay. I simply do not harbour negative feelings towards our society's notion of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:43 AM
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Then they should allow those who find joy in their gender stay without hearing how it's problematic
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:39 AM
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That's exactly why they should be free to leave it behind if they don't like it. Those who, for any given reason, might enjoy construction will stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:33 AM
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I simply believe in the Marie Kondo theory of gender: does it spark joy? If it doesn't, throw it away. My example in the post simply was an illustration of an instance I notice all too commonly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:31 AM
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I too want that. Which is why I don't want anyone's gender to be a burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:29 AM
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I said men who feel like their gender is a prison shouldn't identify as such. A man can still be feminine and enjoy being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:22 AM
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No, in your analogy, quitting your job would mean transitioning away from your gender. Which our societies do place plenty of barriers on, and is a problem that needs to be overcome. But the solution isn't to do away with masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:21 AM
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I know plenty of people who aren't men and also enjoy that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:19 AM
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No, I said it was extremely hypocritical to push for the deconstruction of masculinity only. If feminists actually want to bring about a post gender world, that's a completely separate issue, but that really is a fringe movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:13 AM
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Then what about being a man do you find that brings joy to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:11 AM
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For jobs, it clearly is the job market that's wrong. Plenty of people are stuck in jobs they hate because there's no better option. So things really do get better when people are given the freedom to decide how to align themselves. Now, is it only that you are unhappy about aspects of masculinity, yet still find it to be freeing? Because that does sound valid, but it hardly is what I hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:10 AM
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My post was about how feminists actively seek to deconstruct traditional masculinity and label as problematic not to want to drink a fruity cocktail that tastes like shit. However, when it comes to traditional femininity, feminists will be the first to argue why everyone AFAB needs to have such role pushed onto them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:58 AM
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What is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:56 AM
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All I'm saying is a woman would be better qualified to say if it's normal for women to feel a certain way. But the principle remains that, if you dislike your identity, it only is a drag on your life. It is one thing to complain about your job and another to feel like it is a prison (which it is to a lot of people, and I wish the job market was in a better shape so they were able to quit and look for something else).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:55 AM
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Is there a difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:53 AM
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idk, it's you who feel like being a man is a prison. Which identities don't feel like one to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:49 AM
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The issue of what it is or isn't normal for women to feel or want is not one I'm qualified to weigh in on. However, I can say that, as a man, masculinity has never feel limiting. And I'm no Gigachad, so this is definitely not me speaking from a position of perfect alignment with traditional masculinity. And yet, I'm constantly hearing plenty of people speaking on how masculinity is a prison. Which I agree it shouldn't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:42 AM
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Except holding careers can be feminine. The girlboss is a feminine archetype. If I dressed like one and posted pictures of myself with the caption "Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss," people would regard me as feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:29 AM
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You simply don't need to identify in ways which make you miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:27 AM
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I just find it more practical if those whom our notions of gender don't serve are free to unsubscribe to them and lead their lives in accordance to who they are
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:22 AM
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The question is whether aspects you dislike have to be universally harmful. For instance, plenty of people who talk about the male loneliness epidemic hardly ever pause to reflect on whether the notion of society not caring about men as a rule is necessarily limiting. I argue it's a freeing notion to those whom it suits. So if you don't feel happy being who you are, I would advice transitioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:14 AM
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That your gender should spark joy. If it feels like a burden, you don't need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:52 AM
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I don't get where any of those accusations come from
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:07 AM
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Yes, in a manner beyond curiosity and amicability. I really wish my own personal issues to be my own without heavily upsetting others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:58 AM
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It's valid to not want to medically transition. I do not subscribe to transmedicalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:49 AM
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I only argued on relation to the part of having others care about how you're doing. It's completely fine to have deep personal bonds. But I can't relate to the expectation that others should be concerned about you. I find it incredibly freeing to know that, because of my gender, I am free to fail if things go wrong. There is a lot of joy to be found in masculinity for those to whom it is meant for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:41 AM
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It's not the fact that men will just lose interest if there are other options. Even absent of that, it just shows low commitment if you do not want sex. I deserve better than low commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 12:02 AM
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This kind of rhetoric only serves to divide men. I doubt Chads are doing great either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:05 PM
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All it takes is showering and not wearing makeup like a clown. If a woman complains she can't find love, I just assume it's that she hates men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:49 AM
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Either way, love is not a scarce resource. A man who can manage to be hookup material knows he's desired already. Love is trivial to generate after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:43 AM
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You got a source for that? I only accept citations in APA format.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:26 AM
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Love is cheap af. Any man can get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:18 AM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:14 AM
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Then I guess it's also best for employees to be unpaid intern material because wage labour is just money
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:12 AM
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I already explained to you why it's not and then you said it's better for you that men be relationship material. That's a dfferent argument entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:08 AM
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So your entire argument is that it's better for you to be with a guy who is relationship material. Your entire framing is extremely solipsistic by only assessing how the arrangement serves you personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:04 AM
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Wrong comment
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:59 AM
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This exactly. The relationship material is selected by a muddled signal. He likely isn't actually desired because there were just too many multicolinear criteria. It's the first guy who can be certain he was picked for the right reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:53 AM
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Not if you're only fitted to the noise. Which is what your second model effectively does.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:41 AM
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I don't even watch porn and can tell your argument is bullshit and misses basic statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:40 AM
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Any group of vectors hardly ever are completely mutually exclusive, especially if you add several at a time. And overfitting is bad. This is Statistics 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:36 AM
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That's not how statistics work. More parameters means more colinearity. Every parameter becomes less efficient, so you can't afford to keep adding criteria you don't actually need. So more parameters are great if they hold any relation to your target variable, but otherwise they should be avoided like the plague. In this case, it just muddles the indication of desire. Since the criteria for hookup material is already great, anything beyond that will likely only generate overfitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:31 AM
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The problem is when women still show performative interest in us without intending to treat us the way we deserve
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:26 AM
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Anyone with a cursory knowledge of statistics will know that increasing your number of parameters will necessarily reduce the efficiency of your estimators according to their colinearity. Thus, an estimator muddled through a massive list of parameters will hardly tell you anything. So it's not flattering at all to know that you included a lot of criteria, as that effectively means the end result will probably be overfitted. I lose the privilege of simplicity from knowing that she picked me for e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:21 AM
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I sure wasn't expecting to learn about the backwards bending sex supply curve when I clicked on this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:15 AM
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I doubt women tend to eat any healthier than men do. At least among my senior relatives, I know plenty of women who eat like shit, whereas my grandfather can actually be extremely anal as to healthy eating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:26 AM
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And it is partly accounted for by smoking habits
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:20 AM
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Cardiovascular disease, cancer and suicide can all be partly accounted for by smoking and drinking. Which, as I already showed by citing data from Utah, can't account for all of the life expectancy gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:14 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_life_expectancy Utah still has quite a significant life expectancy gap, even if lower than that of other states. So psychoactive substances only account for half of the death gap at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:01 AM
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Men live shorter simply due to testosterone-related health issues, not laziness
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:11 AM
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And that's ok. It is what you want to do after all, and it's not bad to feel that way. But having that as a requirement would simply feel too transactional for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:37 AM
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I actually meant it in a "not rubbing too strongly before the precum comes out" way, but sure. I really don't view relationships in that transactional way where she'd owe me caring after me when I'm down as a result of a checkable balance. What matters is that she desires the sex, not that she has to show me she cares about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:27 AM
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Good thing I wouldn't expect her to make sure I'm ok outside of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:18 AM
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I totally do find it healthy to discuss what all parties involved expect going into the relationship. If your partner has uncompatible preferences, the relationship will only be a cause for discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:13 AM
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That's the thing. It's also why the "would you date me if I was a worm" question was so fucking stupid. What I actually need to know is if she'd still lust after me if I was an Andrew Tate fan. And if she wouldn't, it's best to only stay as friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:11 AM
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That actually looks like a sound strategy on his part. He gets to filter out the women who will only be into him bc they actually like him as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:02 AM
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Babe, wake up. New slop post just dropped.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:25 AM
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This attempt to solve societal ills by policing personal life is deeply problematic and actually a residue of puritanism
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:54 PM
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So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:51 PM
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It literally is rooted in thinking of sex toys as dirty
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:50 PM
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Their tongues still worked, didn't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:49 PM
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Sex negativity is one hell of a drug, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:48 PM
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If all she cares about is who I am inside then she should keep looking. I deserve better than someone who won't se mee as a sex toy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 10:16 PM
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Would be nice if more dudes looked at us like people instead of objects though. That would be a dream come true for many of us ladies. Way to piss on the poor
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:59 PM
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The problem with those photos is that most of them aren't even trying with showing us the aroused state. Also, not to body shame anyone but some of those don't even have hair. If she tries enough, some of those pics would surely be inviting during conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:09 PM
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Bullshit, eunuchs are recorded as having longer lifespans in premodern sources
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:02 PM
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Do you even know what strawmanning is?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:56 PM
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It's not a strawman; you literally made an argument reducing people to their bodies along arbitary lines. Which, by necessity, excludes people outside whichever category you're grounding yourself on. If you're talking about medical issues, you should mention people with an uterus, people with ovaries and so on. None of which are perfectly overlapping categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:52 PM
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Plenty of intersex people can get AMAB and still suffer from some of those issues
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:40 PM
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That's exorsexist
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:33 PM
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As men do not have female sex organs they do not have to deal with common medical issues relating to it or birth control. (Endometriosis, PCOS, pregnancy, abortion, birth control, period pain, pain during sex, hypertonia, hypotonia, tearing in childbirth, birth trauma, C section, placental abruption, placenta accreta, preclampsia, extra-uterine pregnancy, ectopic pregnancy, anemia, uterine fibroids, PMS, PMD). Men can suffer from all of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:32 PM
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All men are 10s
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 04:52 PM
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And what was it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:59 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:57 AM
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If I like her, that'll be enough for me to want to turn her into a puddle of sweat when we're together. A fancy date might be nice for a few special occasions, but I do try to be thrifty and wouldn't change that lifestyle just for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:59 PM
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I sure don't want children. As for emotional intelligence, I'd probably tell you I have it, but most men probably would say the same. Who's to judge?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:00 PM
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What are you hearing exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:59 PM
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Is there a context for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:54 PM
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If hugging and kissing is what you understand by foreplay, sure. https://www.catechism.cc/articles/foreplay-vs-sexual-acts.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:47 PM
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Literally the split goomba fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:36 PM
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What kind of Christianity is that? Certainly not Catholicism, where only PIV is allowed. No foreplay. If you want a religion where it's men's duty to please their women, that would be Islam. Even ISIS doesn't frown upon a married couple using a non penetrative vibrator together. Mashallah.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:17 PM
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Which terms?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:17 PM
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Both exist, but operate at different levels. So society can be biased against women and against masculinity at the same time. Men simply are given more leeway as to how masculinely we can present, even if it's not wholly free from scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:51 PM
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No to all of them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:47 PM
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I do acknowledge misigyny. Society is biased against women. However, that doesn't translate into society being biased against femininity, despite what feminists might pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:01 AM
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It's not disingenous because they're actually not straight. They literally feel like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:02 PM
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It just means I need to looksmaxx before entering the market
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:01 PM
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Or maybe it was vaginal. I don't remember. But it's not only sperm and precum that matter for reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:13 AM
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You are not the CEO of the male gaze; you don't get to control our sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:47 AM
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So this suggests something else other than visual is going on: the status of being a man matters too and it's not so important one look like a woman in the genderfuckery that's present in the lesbian community and history I actually think I can relate. Do you have any links explaining this in greater detail?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:36 AM
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Clitoral lubrication actually aids a lot in sperm motility and helps neutralise pH levels for better fertility
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:35 AM
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Hmm. Maybe it is possible to enjoy sex with men even if you're not attracted to men. But that would mean the argument of most women wanting to have sex with men being evidence of their attraction is no longer valid. So it can't be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:29 AM
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I'll stop blaming women when they stop pretending to be into me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:20 AM
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As always, women assuming they are the ones who determine what men can and can't be into
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:17 AM
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It's not my fault those artists on tumblr make Butch Wolverine look so hot https://www.tumblr.com/drizzledrawings/759622228253999104/butch-wolverine-occupying-my-thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:11 AM
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It's not exactly hard to find men who find a penis in a woman attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 03:09 AM
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And then they say it's us who are porn brained
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:48 AM
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It actually is. The main reason don't consume porn is I don't want to support women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:38 AM
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Guess I have to head to the supermarket and make sure they're not employing anyone who was abused as a child. I certainly don't want to be complicit with CSA.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:34 AM
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Gonna be working for my 7-pack
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:31 AM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:23 AM
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I generally respect women who show competence at different areas. I've actually found the opposite: it's women who are uncomfortable with a man being worse than them. On more than one occasion, women only began to show interest in me after I'd proven myself to be competent on my job.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:15 AM
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You must know nothing about men, then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:11 AM
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Those men just don't frequent this sub. Should I see myself out or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:10 AM
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You must know nothing about men, then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:09 AM
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Feminists will hate on any GNC woman because they see them as pick mes with internalised misogyny. Or worse–just look at what happened to Imane Khelif.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:14 PM
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most feminists don’t argue to abolish gender norms, we argue to remove the necessary restriction of it Not true either. They are the first to label GNC women as pick mes suffering from internalised misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:45 PM
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True. Feminists love gender roles. They'll accuse any GNC woman of being a pick me vying for male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:19 PM
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You must think it's so flattering for others to want to oppress you with the number one institution that oppresses men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:04 PM
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Sure. I do still have the opportunity to give her the time of her life and have her call me back some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:45 PM
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I dread being thought of as husband material in any shape or form. Marriage was an institution designed to oppress men. It is not flattering at all for others to want to oppress you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:42 PM
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Or so comphet-induced women argue
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:31 PM
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Men are most attracted to women about 18-22 regardless of their own age, it’s not that they aren’t attracted to older women, but a woman will always become less attractive over time. Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:19 PM
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Good for him if he respects himself
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:40 PM
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It really sounds like a you problem if he doesn't want you to enjoy yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:14 PM
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Quite telling on yourself that you've framed yourself as the company selling the product in this analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 01:04 PM
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Literally transmedicalism
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:14 AM
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I do care, though
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:11 AM
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Well, are those the kind of men you're interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:37 AM
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I really doubt it takes that much to know a person enough. When applying to a job, I often tend to have second thoughts if they mention there being more than two interviews, because that means they probably only want to make me lose my time. There are exceptions, sure. I once applied to a company with three interviews, but the job really did seem like a catch. The process got cancelled after the second interview, though. My point being that if you are exceptional, expectations might be bent a li…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:15 AM
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Finding a good man might not be exactly easy, but it sure is easier than finding a good woman. It's just the law of numbers that the more suitors you have, the better your chances will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:08 AM
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Sapphic marriages also have way higher dovorce rates than achillean marriages, with opposite sex marriages in between. Women just tend to have a lower threshold for initiating a divorce, regardless of their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:03 AM
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Good job trying to shame men for expecting bare minimum treatment. If she needs to get to know me, I'm simply not interested. I like to think I deserve better than a woman who can't see me as a sex toy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 11:36 PM
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u/NeomeniaWizard said men like being objectified. You said it's not true. I then said gay men soliciting dick pics could actually solve the male loneliness epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:43 PM
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Those who do get accused of misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:39 PM
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You must be living in a separate reality if you don't think MGTOW get accused of misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:35 PM
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It would sure be nice to be attracted to people who can also be into you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:32 PM
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Look, you were the one who started saying men couldn't enjoy sexual attention. It's just an excuse you made up as to why you're not soliciting dick pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:29 PM
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It totally does. Marriage is, in fact, an entire economic arrangement designed to oppress men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:21 PM
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Not my thing tbf. But I'm all for chads fucking each other and freeing the sexual market for the rest of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:18 PM
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Guess those just attract men who like getting sweaty around other men then. It's not too hard to guess how they'd behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:13 PM
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That is a stereotype that only porn brained women believe in
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:07 PM
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I'd just take women's claims of being straight more seriously if it was a thing for women to be requesting dick pics online
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:03 PM
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Feminism would be a fringe movement if that were true
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:01 PM
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Men, by and large, do not support other men. This is why it's been feminism that's been allowed to reshape our culture with little opposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:59 PM
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He asked for mine. He never gave me any.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:51 PM
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My point being that women have no excuse to not do the same if they claim to be attracted to men. They deserve better than leading a life of pursuing relationships with men to which they've been conditioned under comphet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:47 PM
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To say that women are straight is only to say that they expect a man to simp for them. All or almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight women reserve exclusively for other women. The people whom they admire, respect, adore, revere, honor, whom they imitate, idolize, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honor, reverence and love they desire… those are, overwhelmingly, ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:44 PM
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What part of this thread is in my first language?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:39 PM
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Well good news for you: you're most likely not
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:28 PM
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Truly one of the comphet moments of all time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:24 PM
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When confronted with evidence that others did enjoy sexual attention, your go-to answer was saying it made you think of being the target of violence. Because it's simply not natural for you to conceive of yourself having consensual sex with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:20 PM
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Few people are bold enough to admit the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:17 PM
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Ok, good to know you base your sexual behaviour off of what some rando on the internet says
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:13 PM
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Well, this week some gay dude requested a dick pic on my DMs. Suddenly I don't feel sad due to the male loneliness epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:39 PM
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It's easy when you're faking your heterosexuality to only ever imagine sex with the opposite gender as nonconsensual
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:37 PM
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Source: you made it up
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:34 PM
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for me to desire and enjoy sex with a man, i need to have feelings for him Truly one of the comphet statements of all time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:30 PM
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So you do treat sex like your way to reward men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:25 PM
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This really is one of the windmill_flowers posts of all time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:00 PM
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Why would I, or most modern women, be with a guy that we don't desire? Comphet can be a nasty beast
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 12:43 AM
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Women rarely ever looksmaxx
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 12:35 AM
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women spend billions of dollars in beauty Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 10:17 PM
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Guess she doesn't need it then
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:10 AM
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It's not splitting hairs. Tradwives are, by definition, a Blue Pill lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:14 AM
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You do know it's the Blue Pill that supports a normative lifestyle, right? It literally is framed in the scene between Neo and Morpheus.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:58 PM
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When they don't offer those wages and benefits, they're shifting costs to taxpayers. No, that's a cost that's been levied by the public treasury, not by companies. And if you live in the US, that means the treasury works by a) leeching off the top 1% of earners due to having the most progressive tax structure in the world by far, and b) printing massive amounts of US dollars that just go towards making things expensive in the rest of the world due to the constant demand for Treasury Bills. So un…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:50 PM
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That makes us even then
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:39 PM
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Has happened on occasion. Last time was less than one year ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:38 PM
1

What a wage can or can't cover is none of the legislators' business. Companies are not meant to have any labour costs beyond that which is part of wages and any other benefits they agree to. If you want to challenge this, you'll need to provide a source for your claim of a wage needing to sustain a lifestyle of buying funko pops.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:36 PM
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Learn, for one, that living wages are bullshit. I might as well ask for a living rent so that landlords can afford to get by.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:15 PM
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Guess you could stand to learn instead of going around parroting ignorant opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:09 PM
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Two minutes? More like five years PLUS my thesis. I have a Bachelor's Degree on Economics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 10:04 PM
1

You really do enjoy defending consoomerism, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:58 PM
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It's not their employer's fault that rentoids want to buy funko pops instead of investing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:53 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:44 PM
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Well, they got angry because of Abby being hot. That was it. Literally the same stuff Anita Sarkeesian got criticised for 10 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:39 PM
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Uh-huh, what do Walmart and McDonalds have to do with shit when most global wealth is being created by companies that hire quite few workers for their size? NVIDIA has 36 thousand employees.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:28 PM
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Good thing I can be single then. Still, women should stop pretending to have any interest in me as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:11 PM
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That wealth already was paid to them. It's called wages. Then the lenders also get their returns on interest and everyone who staked their wealth take the rest as profits. This is basic economics and it's not my fault you're to ignorant to learn about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:50 PM
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I must be such a terrible person for expecting the bare minimum from a woman if she wants a relationship with me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:19 PM
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Hoarding whose wealth exactly? It doesn't belong to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:16 PM
1

Not all women can be straight/bi
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:15 PM
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Well, she mogs the shit out of Kim Kardashian
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:40 PM
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How dare they seek an end to laws that were meant to marginalise non unionised workers?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:33 PM
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Sure, they're ruining things by not spending their money on you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:20 PM
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Ok, Katie Taylor is turning 40 this year. What does she spend on beauty products?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:19 PM
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corporations that are ruining our global political and financial systems Really avoids saying the quiet part out loud, but prejudice against the finance system that somehow pulls the strings behind all of global politics rests on late 19th century antisemitic stereotypes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:20 PM
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Plenty of beautiful young women that don't even have to put all that effort into looking good. That's easier for a woman in her 30s than in her 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:14 PM
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Giga ultra based
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:09 PM
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Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:08 PM
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Had to swap misandry for antisemitism, didn"t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:42 PM
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What did tlou2 have to do with inclusivity?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:11 PM
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They made some pretty neat rock albums about Dante's journey through hell, or Darwin's theory of evolution. Feel free to explain how they sexualise women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:30 PM
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Few of the pop songs I listen to nowadays feature videoclips. This one is one I really liked when I was a teenager. As for TV ads, I do know the kind you're talking of–they were meant to be an X-ray scanner app for your phone. I genuinely still wonder what one'd actually have gotten if they paid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:31 AM
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It's always been the Blue Pill that has supported a normative lifestyle. That's literally what it is about in the scene between Neo and Morpheus.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:35 AM
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Weird, I mostly remember ads being about Raid Shadow Legends
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:34 AM
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I've just noticed a tendency for people to pretend outrageous things are more popular than they actually are. Like Andrew Tate, plenty of people will go on about how very popular he is among young men. But, do you actually know anyone who at any point was a follower of his? Like, IRL? So whenever I hear anout how society pushes this or that, I tend to be skeptical. https://xkcd.com/2071/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:14 AM
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I sure wonder what a movie that was a commercial flop by every measure has to do with any of this when you're talking about popular media
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:50 AM
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I don't know, if I can go listening plenty of genres from industrial noise to kargyraa without ever taking notice, that might be more of a you problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:49 AM
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To be fair, Shane McCutcheon is hot af
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:01 AM
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All I'm saying is Grindr works but Tinder and Bumble don't. So there has to be something wrong with the latter two.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:16 AM
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That did seem to be the case 10 years ago. But nowadays they'll complain even Marvel's Spiderman 2 is woke. Because reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:41 AM
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Well, the only one of those I listen to is rock. And only Italian prog from the 70s. Hopefully you'd have data since, as you said, it is everywhere. So feel free to show me which part of Palepoli by Osanna objectifies women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:38 AM
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The existance of straight women hasn't been corroborated by science.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:37 AM
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Except Neil Druckmann did create tlou. That didn't stop him from being the target of harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:54 AM
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I doubt they mostly are
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:41 AM
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There's no better proof of sexuality not being a choice than the majority of men being straight
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:22 AM
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Ok, tell me which genre of music I listen to would've informed me of such a wild claim
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:17 AM
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Well, they both rely on noumena to describe everything. It's not my fault the shoe fucking fits.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:12 AM
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You always need a reputable source. You should look for reputable sources, such as Roosh V or Sargon of Akkad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:11 AM
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Uh huh. My cousin also says he's a nuclear scientist and he's told me that you can trigger cold fusion by buying off market fairy dust.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 01:25 AM
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And where are you consuming this red pill ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 01:21 AM
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Really? Do you have a source on when I said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 01:09 AM
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What does any of what you say have to do with the Red Pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:48 AM
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Just checked, it's black rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:30 AM
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Medieval theology departments were also studying the ten celestial intelligences moving each heavenly sphere like crazy. Guess that's all we need to conclude there's an angel in charge of making Saturn revolve around the Earth right before the sphere of the fixed stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:23 AM
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women are sexualized so heavily in mainstream culture Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:08 AM
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Fanservice has been getting better these last few years. I mean, have you seen BG3 and tlou2?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:07 PM
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How male dominated can reading Anna Komnena be?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:02 PM
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On the one hand, I do agree with you. I did find Anita Sarkeesian's sex negativity problematic as fuck ten years ago. But in recent history, one really needs to ponder which side has been the one policing character designs. The backlash against tlou2 really was mask off for a lot of the people claiming to defend video games. They are the ones complaining about how Abby having supposedly unrealistic proportions. Regardless as to the actual plausibility (where I do also side 100% with Druckmann), …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:00 PM
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God forbid a game dev wants to make a tomboy character
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 10:55 PM
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If you're into moderately dead dove stuff with warnings, feel free to DM me. If not, I can still DM you my other, smaller account (higher word count, but definitely less views).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:19 PM
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It really depends as to the kinds of tests. I really don't think it's bad practice to screen out people who're not compatible with you, regardless of whether they're good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:01 PM
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I really wouldn't care. My main hobby already is posting on AO3, where men are reported to be around 5% of the userbase (the Discord server I'm in does have a male majority, so maybe smut does lean more male).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:00 PM
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All cops are bastards
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:39 PM
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And while we're at it, good black men should also take it with criminals if they want others to feel safe around them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:37 PM
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Feminist women, generally speaking, don't want to deal with men on an even footing either. They'll believe it is misogynistic to hold them to the same standards as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:15 PM
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Would you want a long term relationship with someone you hate? Would you have children with them? Would you want to see their face as the first thing in the morning when you wake up? Terrible argument, bruh. We might as well examine the flip side of women in relationships with men and check that these items generally do apply to them. Should we assume that these women are not misandric because of it? Even more so, would the above be enough to conclude that such women actually are into their part…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:12 PM
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And if Thor didn't descend to Earth every year, we'd be destroyed by the Ice Giants. It is very easy to argue going off of noumena.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:01 PM
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Ok, so you have no examples
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:57 PM
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When have women ever taken men's preferences into account? Also, I am yet to meet a woman who'd prefer the guy on the left.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:51 PM
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women have been socialised to put more effort into their appearance If that were true, it would've been women who invented looksmaxxing
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:45 PM
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the vast majority of women are looking for a connection Exactly. When they can't get one with a man they desire, comphet pushes them towards a guy they're not into. I believe every man entering a relationship with a woman deserves to be aware she's likely pretending to be into him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:24 PM
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Not expecting someone to watch porn sure is a controlling move. I don't even watch porn and I sure as fuck wouldn't want to be with a woman who wants to be with me for that reason. If she's going to treat me as an ontologically different category of man, she doesn't deserve me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:14 PM
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Men should do what women already did and find more peace and happiness in being alone MGTOW already were a thing, but apparently that's misogyny as per the rules of feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:29 AM
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That's not a gender issue. MGTOW also get accused of misogyny all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:27 AM
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I doubt smut has much of a gender divide. I'm an ao3 author and my audience skews male.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:01 PM
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Society does judge women's sexuality differently. So if a woman has sex with a lot of men, she's healthily enjoying her sexuality, but if a man has sex with a lot of women, he's a misogynist pumping and dumping women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 10:03 PM
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The issue of gender roles is an interesting one since feminists do nominally claim to oppose them. I already made a thread discussing how feminists only oppose traditional masculinity at the same time they reinforce normative roles for women. Either way, since the Blue Pill is, as anyone can check by going straight to the source, that being the scene with Neo and Morpheus, normative, it only makes sense for it to oppose deviations from the norm. Of course, you can try to argue that the free expr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:03 PM
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The Red Pill is not and has never been sex negative. PUA has always been about how to have casual sex. The only way anyone could believe otherwise is if they were terribly misinformed. Meanwhile, the Blue Pill is, as in The Matrix's pill scene, about normativity. You continue to live the life that society demands of you. It insists that men should bear the burden of a traditional monogamous marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:36 PM
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Except the main groups that stigmatise PUA behaviour (AKA pumping and dumping) are extremely sex negative. The Blue Pill is, by necessity, sex negative. So it's either tradcons or radfems.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 07:24 PM
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I've given you more sources than the ones you've provided, which is zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 04:53 AM
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Thanks, I'll use that argument whenever someone picks a Bible verse to point out the oppression of women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 03:46 AM
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I literally gave you the sources for my claims. Instead, you're going off of "trust me, bro."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 03:06 AM
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Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:57 AM
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It's also bullshit. I doubt anyone who makes that claim knows what a 21 year old looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:54 AM
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Have shitty ex with other dudes Put the blame on the guy you didn't have sex with Rinse and repeat
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:37 AM
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This is ahistorical nonsense. It's even explicitely mandated in Musnad Abu Ya'la to hold the female orgasm in higher regard than the male. Ibn Taymiyyah also interprets Surah al Baqarah (2:228) in such a direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:30 AM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:28 AM
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*if I don't like sex with someone who believes I need to simp for her to be a suitable man
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 08:27 PM
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You said I can't be an incel if I don't feel like simping for you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 08:06 PM
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You sure love gatekeeping men who decide our life doesn't revolve around you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:59 PM
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Considering none involves me having an alone time to read AO3, I doubt it's better than that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:46 PM
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Is it good sex, tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:21 PM
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Those studies aren't even relevant. They just stopped measuring at 25 (it had been 16 initially, but it was extended since the brain kept developing). The human brain might not even be fully developed at 50 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:14 PM
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I love how suitable is an euphemism for simp now
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:22 PM
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Good thing I'm not planning on children
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:25 PM
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27
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:59 PM
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If you want to have biological children, you still have a few years left. You probably want to find a good partner with whom to raise them, so ideally you should have a wide window to try getting pregnant. So by 30 you should already have settled on who you're partnering with. If you don't, even more so. Your prime probably hasn't even begun, and it will take a while before you hit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:53 PM
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So much for believing all women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:08 AM
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I must be such a terrible person for hating Ghislaine Maxwell
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 02:25 AM
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If that's how you think, I also hope no one else has to date you. I genuinely grieve for your spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 02:17 AM
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I did. They tend to say all women are 10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 01:41 AM
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Yes. We owe women our attention but also need to leave them alone and never approach them with any ulterior intent. If you don't know how to balance both imperatives, that also makes you a misogynist
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 12:28 AM
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That's literally the Force
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:58 PM
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Uh-huh. It's also an energy field created by all living things that surrounds us, penetrates us and binds the galaxy together.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:47 PM
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Is patriarchy in the room right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 10:27 PM
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Gotta hand it to you. When I opened up my dating profile, no woman under 30 seemed like she knew how to make a good profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 09:13 PM
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You are not all men. What you prefer is not the preference of all men. I definitely find it hillarious how it took a conversation about makeup to get why #notallmen is a valid argument
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 09:00 PM
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I guess male-centric just means any GNC woman now
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:14 PM
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Not really, I'm in my 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:53 PM
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I really doubt so. I once tried opening a dating account to see what they looked like (I'm too broke atm so I wasn't going to actually message anyone). My aim was to see if I could find women whom I'd consider to really be a catch on those apps. There were about 3, none of them under 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:19 PM
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It’s that average women are noticeably attractive to most men when they are in their 20s. So, no source again
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 05:49 PM
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Meanwhile there are no women who peak after 30. Source: trust me, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 05:45 PM
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