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The laws tried to destroy Black activists Half of y'all is performers and actresses
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 07:00 PM
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Safe sex I’m schizo mutualism I’m teenage mutant ninja turtle
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:27 PM
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There is no safe saved there is no safe life Dr Devon price
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:26 PM
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There is no safe sex there is no safe life by de devon price on substack
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:26 PM
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The gender war was created by by palantir to divide and conquer
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:25 PM
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Fascism is colonialism turned inwards aimé cesaíre Learn Norse mythology
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:25 PM
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Fascism is colonialism turned inwards aimé cesaíre
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:24 PM
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Fascism is colonialism turned inwards aimé cesaíre
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:24 PM
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The dark side of feminism by tommy J curry
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:23 PM
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The man-not
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:22 PM
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The dark side of feminism by tommy J curry
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:22 PM
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every civilisation relies on a scapegoat Ak47press
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 01:22 PM
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Feminism as fascism by Bob black They fight their wars based on lies
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 12:57 PM
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Feminism as fascism by Bob black
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 12:56 PM
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Feminism as fascism by Bob black
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 12:56 PM
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Feminism as fascism by Bob black
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Fascism is colonialism turned inwards - aimè cèsaìre
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 02:41 AM
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I assume the real feminism comes at halftime So I know this is a provocative topic because most of the time we have conversations about feminism, especially in this country, there’s an assumption that this is a progressive movement for equality. And one of the things that’s bothered me so much since coming to your great island of the UK is that we claim we want to decolonize, but we’re not really interested in the substance of decolonization. So what we do is we constantly replace politics for a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 02:41 AM
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I assume the real feminism comes at halftime So I know this is a provocative topic because most of the time we have conversations about feminism, especially in this country, there’s an assumption that this is a progressive movement for equality. And one of the things that’s bothered me so much since coming to your great island of the UK is that we claim we want to decolonize, but we’re not really interested in the substance of decolonization. So what we do is we constantly replace politics for a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 02:39 AM
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I assume the real feminism comes at halftime So I know this is a provocative topic because most of the time we have conversations about feminism, especially in this country, there’s an assumption that this is a progressive movement for equality. And one of the things that’s bothered me so much since coming to your great island of the UK is that we claim we want to decolonize, but we’re not really interested in the substance of decolonization. So what we do is we constantly replace politics for a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 02:39 AM
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I keep telling these slow pokes that if we want to exist in this living hell we must all cease creating toxic male barbaric boner material
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:27 PM
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Than these class clowns just start the nuclear disarmament phase already like ugh!!!😑
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:26 PM
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🦐🦞🦞🦀🦞🦀🦀🦑🦀🦞🦑🤡🤡🤡😭
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:25 PM
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All bets off, the villain got the dice rigged. And they say he accosted the man with the sliced wig
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 03:16 AM
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Yea I am on this side of the gender war I’ve done an anakin style revenge of the gooners in these people and I’ll be playing Jedi mind tricks like I’m the top G genghis khan
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 12:42 AM
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They are the morality police for feminazis
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 12:37 AM
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No Madeline is a queen and bubblegum is a fucking dictator I am the Madvillain himself the mad heretic the witch Dr Octagonecologist And I am about to use my very nimble fingers for another gory disssection 😷👨🏿‍⚕️💉🪡🧤🧤 Ima give these niggas so much PH levels that I give em the kick out jab with kool Keith’s gloves 🥊
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 12:09 AM
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It’s not its fascism These “investigators” need to connect the dots between Debra Lieberman and anarchist scholar thought criminality… Sorry I mean bob black https://scholar.google.com/citations?view\_op=view\_citation&hl=en&user=OhbXo2kAAAAJ&citation\_for\_view=OhbXo2kAAAAJ:ns9cj8rnVeAC The start of her disgust morality the law and Bob blacks stuff about unveiling the “empress,” Now I call that OBSCENE 😷
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 12:06 AM
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Peace and love comrade I now call myself a true egalitarian Fuck feminism It’s ableist and white supremacist glam pop This food critic has so much distaste from that one egoist translated turned morality police I have to rate these actors and their little game of make belief a 0% 🤢🤮in spoiled non disposable rotten tomatoes because some “looney person” hoarded them as a physical signifier of something that can never be foundation 💁🏼‍♀️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 12:03 AM
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Sorry this is getting funnier by the minute Feminazis are so gullible dawg… 😋💀💀🤡
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 11:59 PM
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Even I’m annoyed with these people Jesus the left can be really block headed sometimes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/26 04:02 PM
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In your experience how do they use it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 01:10 PM
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To be fair it is reffering to specifically niche manosphere communities, not men or “young men” as a totally
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 11:17 AM
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Are you talking about “age of excuse” when talking about the conservative dogwhistle
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 10:11 AM
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As someone who has consumed romcom adjacent literature and filmography I can confirm
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:05 AM
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Romantasy slop 🥹🤣😭💀 Bob black gives it the best description “Barbara Courtland romances, and the vast CRYPTO-PORNOGRAPHIC pop literature written for and snapped up by women. After all, the gore and violence are derivative: only victims can be victimized in any way. Fifteen years ago, the original women’s liberationists (subsequently switched like changelings with today’s priestesses, lawyers and upscale bureaucrettes) at least lashed out at influential enemies like Hugh Hefner and Andy Warhol. N…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 04:04 AM
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Fair enough I wonder what your complaints about emotional labour and systemic oppression are? Out of curiosity?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/26 04:19 AM
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I’ve seen women love the label princess Think of “princess treatment” And it absolutely is weaponised incompetence, the whole “soft girl” shit but most feminists only refer to it as “infantilisation” when in reality it’s just being useless and viewing your boyfriend as a hunk of house labour
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/26 08:55 PM
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Absolutely I wishthings like this were called out on the left more often
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/26 08:50 PM
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Ehhh redpill is a no for me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/26 08:49 PM
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Elliot Rodger’s clones 💀😭
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/26 08:31 PM
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💀
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/26 08:31 PM
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That’s pretty much how the left sees it Political agents and not unique indicates which deserve intrinsic care or support
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/26 06:23 AM
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Absolutely agree with this take The first thing this research reveals is that the overwhelming majority of bullying incidents take place in front of an audience. Lonely, private persecution is relatively rare. Much of bullying is about humiliation, and the effects cannot really be produced without someone to witness them. Sometimes, onlookers actively abet the bully, laughing, goading, or joining in. More often, the audience is passively acquiescent. Only rarely does anyone step in to defend a c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/26 01:47 AM
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Sometimes oppressor/oppressed dichotomies can come with the implicit assumption that being an oppressor makes your opinions innately and irredeemably biased And that “standpoint epistemology” makes a oppressed persons ideas more “sacrosanct” Obviously this oversimplifies many complex dynamics
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 09:18 PM
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Yea it’s quite common And it’s often critiqued that men only bring up their issues in response to women (which is often true) but many folks lack the awareness to see the opposite happen
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 07:02 PM
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Yea that one was bad
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 07:01 PM
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Yea I forgot to answer this haha
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 09:26 AM
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It’s made worse by the bloatening of resources and time caused by therapy speak Some issues don’t need a therapist and could be solved socially like less severe kinds of depression
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 08:49 AM
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What sort of things do they make up? May I ask?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 08:47 AM
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I get what you mean I may make a post about this but I always hear you men’s advocates say that feminists appropriate your ideas Can you give recent and less recent examples? From what I know toxic masculinity and rape culture where first made by men’s groups to describe different things then are currently
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 12:20 AM
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When you say “feminists sold out of the future” what are you referring to with this statement?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 12:13 AM
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People being subordinated to higher abstractions whether ideological, religious or political
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:03 PM
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Yea it’s because alot of political ideologies recreate the alienation inherent in religion So men are viewed through the lens of a social system and analysis and not as people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 06:58 PM
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Yea The left has a problem with relating to men in any way that isn’t “don’t hate them guys, they arent completely irredeemable!!” 🤧🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 06:18 PM
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When you say “they’ve”? What are you talking about
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 05:32 PM
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Yes it is quite sad
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 10:45 AM
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It’s the violence of carceral and disciplinary institutions It’s why I have severe mistrust of school institutions It may just create a worse school to prison pipeline
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 10:44 AM
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These “emotionally intelligent” Men and women use male loneliness and the pain and suffering of others to platform their favourite secular religion, not to actually be helpful…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 09:13 AM
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Your analogy is why I use the term “siege feminism.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:21 AM
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Like I know friends who can’t even distinguish between men’s liberation and men’s rights, for them they effectively just go men=bad 😵‍💫😑🤧🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:04 AM
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These bit in contagion: Risky contacts across bodies, disciplines and Nations is interesting “The untidiness of dramatic history “The UNPREDICTABLE (chaotic?) and uncontainable flow of contagion proves useful model for thinking about drama” 🎭.” Watch Out For the Contaminants
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 06:15 AM
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Also for as much as leftists pass off every bad thing under the sun as “ragebait” or feelings I am not certain they would be able to understand ragebait against them either… If I don’t find it fun I’m sure younger boys and girls would find this sort of culture very stale and plain
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 06:11 AM
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Radicals can absolutely be as cliquey, pretentious and “childish” As the right wingers they critique It really pisses me off that folks will repackage what Warren Farrel has said a white mens rights advocate Leftist theory can absolutely be self indulgent and it’s funny how even me as an anarchist can laugh that Dr Devon Price and his “your fear is dangerous and your power is greater than you think” could unironically be said to be a repackaging of Warren Farrell’s women’s strength is their weak…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 06:09 AM
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I worry that this scare may create a lot of punitive policies guised as “protection” or “preventative measures” hmmm 🧐 I wonder if we’ve heard that before
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 05:31 AM
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Yes I personally don’t trust schools with their anti misogyny lectures A lot of teachers are very favouritist and often take out their relationship difficulties on little children We need to be more radical and actually help each other and understand that loneliness is both a pathology but because of how institutions weaponise our collective power and interconnectivity The problem is that these measures will likely effect racialised boys but feminists will pretend to care about half of your iden…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 05:30 AM
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Yea it is interesting being an anarchist The funny thing about he stereotypes against lonely men were that anarchists in some sense or fashion fit all the stereotypes Simon springer even has an article labeled “I,Dirty anarchist.” I,Dirty Anarchist “Should anarchists attempt to wash away the sins of defamation to somehow cleanse the anarchist ideal of this representation? I resolutely answer ‘no’. Let us instead rethink what it means to be dirty.” “Scraped knees, smeared faces, and blackened fin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 05:26 AM
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I absolutely agree that a lot of left wingers are acting out their past bullying at the hands of conservatives In page 93 of Erving Goffmans Stigma:Notes on the management of spoiled identity he says this “It has been suggested that an individuals social identity divided up the world of people and places for him and that his personal identity does this too, although differently.” This is what intersectionality feels like in practice an attempt to break up one’s identity I see this with a trans f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 05:03 AM
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Honestly that gelderloos reference of “building the walls higher” could be regarding a lot of states and civilisations
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 04:21 AM
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Romans my bad
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 04:15 AM
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I compare it to the increasing barbarian front that the romans encountered during their “expansion.” Edit:Romans
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 03:15 AM
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Yes that’s why the word “creep” is used to demarcate a looming or “lurking threat” The reason why this one hits close to home as The “lovers of men and boys” Feminists often use really low, base, shoddy and pseudo populist rhetoric “It’s always a man” or “ the worst person you know is a man” things like this as well as the man vs bear rhetoric rely on the person NOT viewing themselves that way and empathising with their OWN fear of other men I’m guessing the all men rhetoric is simply to highlig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 01:00 AM
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Too many feminists have a Stalinist squint and think by virtue of feminist ideology and self declaring themselves as oppressed that they know all there is to know about men Any incorrections need to get packaged and processed through more intersections Learning is difficult and No you don’t know men because you read bell hooks, that’s fucking insulting You learn interacting with the world and it is supplemented by theory There are things I don’t know and frankly I’m not that smart but I am sever…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 10:59 PM
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A post left anarchist sent me this and I thought it was quite useful to understand near where I am thinking atm This is specifically an example of the anarchist critique of morality which as an instrument of the church turns the chaos of reality into a reduced “good/evil” binary. Nobody, including so called anarchists, can never say “we are right” because it has no inherent meaning because like you said, kings, queens, cops and colonists all said the exact same thing lol. There is no right or wr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 10:48 PM
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I realised that my role here is probably to be to say “the quote part out loud” that the left is afraid of
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 09:22 PM
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Yea I wish most of the left didn’t perpetuate such a scooby doo villain conception of crime and the world
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 04:50 PM
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Nah I think we can revive it fuck FD signifier (virtue signifier)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 04:47 PM
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If we cared about men and boys the government would be abolished 🤧 It’s why I don’t trust the government The elites have a fundamental knowledge problem in how they face the social reality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 04:24 PM
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How meta indeed 🙃
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 12:40 PM
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Actually you are right tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 09:24 AM
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I’m just skeptical because that sort of belief leads to the utilisation of animals under the justification that humans are “better.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 08:47 AM
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Oh yea fair enough But I would say other animals are different not lesser
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 08:46 AM
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Intentional or “weaponised incompetence”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 07:55 AM
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Pretty much Social norms can often be conservative and it takes quite a long time to change ingrained stereotypes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 07:53 AM
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Who cares about society fuck society https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/sidney-e-parker-ego-and-society[Ego and Society](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/sidney-e-parker-ego-and-society)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 05:25 AM
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For what reason? It can be utilised for such ends but it isn’t “inherently.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 03:49 AM
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Don’t worry 😉 all our rooms are messy We need to become more comfortable with not being our best and making mistakes So many friends are scared of people coming over when things aren’t perfectly set, barring the fact that friends are just visitors but actively intrusions helping in our life’s and being the glue that breaks boundaries and walls If we can’t see people at their worst we don’t deserve them at their best For me when folks say their surrounds aren’t looking to good I offer to help and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 03:19 AM
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You are true unironically some of the left need Jordan 🦀🦞 Peterson’s clean/organise your room 😵‍💫 It’s just black and white thinking unironically a lot of leftists (me included (ocd people are actually messy as fuck 💀)) need to clean their room and order their surroundings
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 02:16 AM
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Both sides can be bad Being on the left doesn’t mean we are competent or good, plenty of left wingers and radicals (me included) suck at many topics the right simply demarcates and signifies how low one can really go
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 01:47 AM
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And I thought male toilets were non state, ferocious and primitive spaces 😑😵😵‍💫
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 01:20 AM
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Too many men to the “I’m not like the other men.” Thing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 12:35 AM
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We are no different than animals That is speciesist and anthropocentric However just note that it is just a critique
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 12:28 AM
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Pretty much It’s sticks with what it knows rather than challenging its foundations
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:43 PM
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Also may I ask I wonder what you have to say about relationship anarchy, the work on youth liberation amthat folks like Emma Goldman ascribed to and things like Emile Armand An excerpt from Emile Armand’s “Revolutionary Nudism.” “There is no denying that for us a less distant, more intimate, more trusting comrade is the one who reveals her or himself to us not only without intellectual or ethical ulterior motives, but also without hiding their body. The critics of nudism — moralists or conservat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:25 PM
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Leftists will do anything accept admit they need to revise their ways of viewing the world It’s a gut punch being sophistried about lived experience to then get to the details and realize that yes, it is just about personal events and everything else just came to rationalise it after So many aspects of leftist culture is stale “The most pathetic, and in a way discouraging, aspect of the situation is a certain element of liberals, and even of radicals, men and women apparently free from religious…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:02 PM
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I wish more feminists and “leftist radicals” had the media literacy that you have 🙄🙄😑
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 11:05 AM
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Also the projection from older leftists who have skeletons in the closet Talking down and over the youth, fragile men who project their own failings onto others I’m glad I found this sub as well 😇 It made me who I am and it made me a MUCH BETTER anarchist, or perhaps 🤔 property of AN-Anarchy!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 11:04 AM
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Those people are selling out all there integrity I self identity as an animal, a bear and an anarcho rizzler 🏴 https://evilwizarddistro.noblogs.org/files/2025/07/toward-goblin-mode.pdf Disgust: A social critique? A Few “Course” notes on Disgust Not sure if this subreddit allows this sort of content? It did warn against graphic language but I did put NSFW, I find the connection between disgust, morality and perhaps even legalistic thinking interesting I have also heard that discussions should be …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 02:25 AM
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Avoidance reinforces fear I learnt that from OCD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 01:02 AM
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I agree but I think we all have to learn to not be afraid of men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:33 AM
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It’s arguably how patriarchies function Obedience is enforced via shame Gerder Lerner talked about how honor was tied to protection
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:32 AM
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It’s like how sex work is seen as a women’s issue but prison is seen as a “criminality” issue by some socialists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 12:10 AM
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A lot of theory is just pretentious nonsense written to impress professors rather than to be helpful One teacher I know who is on her PhD had this to say when I shared the de colonial feminist critiques of the “epistemic violence” of maths 😇💀 “Ha ha, that book you shared makes critical theory look completely silly. “
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 04:58 PM
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Yea it’s pretty common Moustaches are just trying to do their job, grades are more important than actually learning and developing skills
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 04:54 PM
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Yea I’ve seen plenty of feminists say that homeless for men is “just different” (ie lower) and that either there is a million missing women in sex work (as if men’s numbers aren’t skewed by prison, the military, underreporting victimhood (by feminists own standards), being killed, getting recruited by gangs, ALSO sex work etc Or they say that men are more likely to steal which I say “based?” Isn’t stealing a response to material oppression when the c scenario is about abstract criminality Gender…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 03:45 AM
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I wish society would speak with men rather than at, about and over men Also it’s interesting how therapy is the “colonial, patriarchal, capitalist carceral control system” for every other group but for men it’s just “go to therapy and you’ll be fine mate.” Therapy speak IS Weaponised incompetence
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 03:41 AM
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Yes as someone with ocd this is exactly it And it pisses me off that people think the only way to understand safety is having a vagina It’s fucking ludicrous and insulting Which is why being told I can’t understand fear as a man is really annoying and big sections of the left are as dogmatic as religious fundamentalists or David wood/kent hovid or something
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 11:06 PM
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Yes creep does mean looming threat As one who codes themselves as a threat will internalise being unsafe and avoid the object of contamination
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 11:04 PM
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Yea I’ve noticed this as well They always complain that guys only bring up their issues when women talk about theirs But there are mysteriously tone deaf in the fact that they often only bring up men’s issues not to start a conversation, not to help anyone but simply to jerk themselves off and virtue signal about how good feminism is or to win an argument Your the personal is political as the 70s radfems say then it must go both ways
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 11:02 PM
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That’s how most of the left treats men’s issues They don’t take a bottom up approach to it They stick with what they know
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 11:01 PM
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A lot of the left treats men as political projects Seeing a friend a comrade say that the death of men is “good feminist propaganda” made my heart turn These people are unironically emotionally unintelligent I’m not defending them but I get why some guys hate the left I see a lot of my base feeling in them the only difference is that I have the ideological checks and balances to not go “that low.” The left should practice more self critique and stop being pretentious snobs There is no reason why…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:46 PM
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Some of the left who hate sex workers do secretly believe this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:43 PM
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Didn’t bell hooks have relationships with her students?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:42 PM
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This is why people should be more precise with how they use language Or atleast be more aware of artificial vs informal order
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:41 PM
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Like everyone should be themselves (I personally don’t think the left is truly anti conformity). And like cmon there are folks for whom just need to “put on their big boy pants.” But yes this is why I am an anarchist As someone well off I do think there is a knowledge problem of privilege https://c4ss.org/content/21320 that could be given to folks like Hasan, any fucking politician or capitalist and the majority of breadtube “In his classic essay, “The Use of Knowledge in Society,” F.A. Hayek ex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:38 PM
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To be fair he was speaking to the fact that America caused the material conditions for terrorism By funding Islamic extremists over socialists Also by intelligence agencies competing and not sharing knowledge It’s why I lean communist because owness is theft
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:24 PM
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Uncle tom? It’s more like uncle ruckus tbh 😑
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:22 PM
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Being able to either not think about politics or block stuff out is a privilege
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:22 PM
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Exactly This is thinking materialistically
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:21 PM
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We really do lose ourselves in all this petty tribalism I wish heavy sections of the left could just get over themselves and practice genuine empathy rather than being preachers and proselytizers for ideology
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:12 AM
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And it would be amazing to actually apply actual sociology to things like loneliness I’ve studied shopping malls, suburban sprawl, and critiques of modern neoliberalism that shopping malls, or as sociologist Kim dovey explains “inverted prisons” actually suck as creating community The male loneliness epidemic mockers just reeks 🤢🧦 of a bunch of dirty city slickers who things everyone lives how they live where things are all in one place and commute is easy When most things relevant are centralis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 10:00 AM
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I personally identity as a propenent of toxic masculinity! “If The Anarcho-Rizzler has a million fans, then I am one of them. If The Anarcho-Rizzler has ten fans, then I am one of them. If The Anarcho-Rizzler has only one fan then that is me. If The Anarcho-Rizzler has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against The Anarcho-Rizzler, then I am against the world.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 11:55 PM
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I’m getting this as well There are so many yes men I wish I had the energy to debate this with anarchists I am starting to see some of the bad boy anarchists who don’t follow rules and social code start to take hint Case in point “Activist parties are like office christmas parties, not fun. I went to one once and it was just like that The food was good but I spent much of my time there outside smoking because the vibes were not it..” ““If The Anarcho-Rizzler has a million fans, then I am one of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 10:50 PM
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I say it’s like “seige feminism” or campism All the same arguments against ML campism apply here It’s such a reductive viewing of the world
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 10:33 PM
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Materialism,Postmodernism and individuality for women, bad faith idealism, essentialism and collective responsibility for men Make it make sense… ugh 🙄😑
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 10:22 PM
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Explain?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 12:23 PM
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Well as any well read feminist would say “the personal IS political.” Men should do whatever they fucking want and express masculinity however the fuck they like and yes including “”toxic”” forms
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 03:53 AM
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Maybe they should turn away You don’t owe anything to anyon, the debt that we must “pay” to society is non existent Religions governments and patriarchal family heads appropriated the debt we “presumably” must have to society Red Emma speaks!! 🏴 Even she thought majorities were conservative and any CHANGE comes from minority “Publishers, theatrical managers, and critics ask not for the quality inherent in creative art, but will it meet with a good sale, will it suit the palate of the people? Ala…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 02:58 AM
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Yea toxic masculinity rather than being some trait of dominance is very useful for capitalist exploitation as men who supress their emotions (and this includes revolutionary rage!! 🏴) won’t revolt against capitalists Do folks really think kings and capitalists are supressing emotions? Cmon now 😵‍💫🙄😑 they are the most pampered people to ever exist They call the guards if they have to get their fucking Toe nail removed 😵‍💫🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 02:10 AM
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I don’t like sides based politics Perhaps we need multiple different perspectives to find something intangible in the middle
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 02:08 AM
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This is one of the double standards I dislike People don’t understand that to be in a communal and patriarchy less society( or misandry less society for this sub) or any egalitarian society A little bit of discomfort is neccesssry, it eventually rubs off on each other as the saying goes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 02:07 AM
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Don’t boomers say the same thing The real world full of suburban sprawl and a million gas stations and shitty pavements and zoning laws Ummmm… no 😵‍💫😑
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 12:28 AM
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Burnout lmao You can tell by my typos that I’m burnt out lmao 😵‍💫
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 12:02 AM
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It’s almost worse then gym bro culture because atleast gym bro culture doesn’t pretend to be smart when posing absolutely idiotic plaster like individualist solutions to collective problems It’s pretense of intellect is what makes it worse Only dumbasses like gym bro culture but it’s just a way to catch nerds in the same trap
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 11:53 PM
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Yea I have often found it weird And sometimes these are just the things where I wonder how biases don’t simply go one way (even if in the official vernacular story all biases lead to Rome and will count as patriarchal biases) I remember right libertarians have this concept called time preference and they even apply it to children and use their twisted property theories to govern morality when it comes to as Rothbard puts it a “flourishing free market full of selling children.” 🤢👎🏿 Sometimes I wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 09:26 PM
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In some sense a lot of progressives ARE Conservative Not in the looney maga cult way, but in the “they hold to what they know.” I don’t doubt that GENERALLY we are in a patriarchy globally or that there aren’t a lot of problematic tendencies within “young men.” But every stereotype is based on things that are partially true And to some degree the left blew it out of proportion and now it has become spectacle The spectacle and culture spook of Andrew Tate is bigger than he actually is which is st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 03:45 PM
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A lot of the left effectively thinks of it like this Beacons for men at their best, relativism at their worst It’s the gendered version of Marxist campism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 05:47 AM
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Similiar to the whole jar of m &ms rhetoric It LITERALLY poisons the well and sows seeds of doubt
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 05:45 AM
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Nah I am starting to see a change But I have to lay low as they are quite punitive lmao 🤣 One false move and they will cancel you for life 😵‍💫🤫
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 04:03 AM
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Male advocates of all stripes need to develop as Jason Mcquinn calls it a “critical self theory” something that sequels abstraction and alienation into reified leftist forms A thing that is about self determination and empowerment As well as an anarchist squint which loves conflict, debate, learning and uncertainty Rather than the rather finished polished and rigid vernacular order of “academic” feminism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 12:55 AM
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There’s more glory in being a bear than a bunch of pseudo fake radicals
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 12:53 AM
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Yes just as how the patriarchies of old enforced their rule as only a small elite of men were able to read and write By using the feminine ist framings of reality where you are both weak and violent, fragile and toxic, it forces you to mediate your experiences through their bias framework Being in academia I know a lot of academics are full of shit Even my sociology teacher thinks “de colonial feminist arguments against the epistemically violence of maths.” Is simply just pretentious nonsense an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 12:52 AM
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Yea it’s like how fear, disgust can be weaponised for moral projections it can be reactive Sometimes the morals come afterwards and sometimes it’s utilised for shock and gore value
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 12:35 AM
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Binary and rigid thinking The Internet and AI especially in the post Covid age has platformed the worst aspects of leftism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 12:34 AM
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Yea it isn’t It’s like the people that think getting shot by a bullet is worse when you have boobs 😵‍💫🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 12:34 AM
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It’s always came off as rather arrogant and egotistical All they say that men are Yall really need to read that line by Graeber that a lot of modern social justice repackages ancient historical arguments about debt And with debts links to morality and religion it’s quite interesting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 02:19 PM
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It’s like how a lot of romantic comedy is soft core porn It’s funny I had an ocd spiral about it when I ruminated after someone online said “all men do is think about sex” 😵‍💫😮‍💨😋😅🤣 Bob black puts it like this “women into subservient roles vis-a-vis men (curiously, adopting the same roles vis-a-vis butch lesbians is harmless fun), their primary, near-preemptive preoccupation would have to be Cosmopolitan, Barbara Courtland romances, and the vast crypto-pornographic pop literature written for and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 02:09 AM
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Violence knows many forms
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 02:04 AM
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You are starting to get at what I am starting to get at It may be the problem that the og feminists may have not had a fully correct analysis in the first place No one is a prophet and all knowledge is iterative and constantly improving But I think a lot of what passes for feminist argumentation especially about men is simply starting from a conclusion then going backwards Or motte and bailing It doesn’t give the topic nearly the same theoretical care which is actually fine if they admitted it b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 02:03 AM
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Yea I completely agree that we døñt internalise that we can be abused and hurt as well I think we often don’t know what it loooks like because male abuse in women is much more over my looking (domestic terrorism etc)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/26 09:23 PM
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Yea we are just culturally behind when it comes to that topic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/26 09:22 PM
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I think in general for a lot of crimes our very absolutist and over exaggerated scooby doo comic book chaser/creep conceptualisations of crime actually do a lot to obscure the ways in which folks may be unaware of their own abusive behaviour Can’t remember it but their was a post here awhile ago talking about how society isn’t ready for female abuse in men to Bè discussed Things like “are you a real man?” “Is this how you talk to a woman?” Or appealing to my morality where all things she did The…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/26 01:11 PM
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I always say when will men “ever” not be the problem in leftist spaces A hammer only knows a nail and if you’re looking for a problem you will always find one and may in fact have to keep the problem alive to justify your (feminisms) existence
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 04:38 AM
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Which they hate when applied to themselves but love to apply to men It’s black and white dichotomous thinking and zero sum thinking Which is bad because progressives criticise capitalism for promoting zero sum ways of thinking about poverty but they forget socialism here and become capitalists lmao
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 04:36 AM
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It’s a nice way of pretending that gender norms and the study of them are synonymous with feminist ideology Patriarchy is a large substrate of gender relations but it isn’t everything bit is gender reduced to patriarchy or feminist movements
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 04:35 AM
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💀
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 04:34 AM
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Intersectional essentialism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 04:33 AM
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This is the frustration I am starting to understand with you guys
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 10:32 PM
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Hold on I’ll get to this later but I would love to read the bourbon society by byung chul Han where he poses that power now works not by repression but by reframing power as “choice.” I think a lot of the ways in which therapy speak has been weaponised is just a repackaging of bourgeois individualism but through feminism It’s almost more insidious because it has the allure of pretentiousness while atleast the manosphere knows they are stupid Cold approaches are rude but closing your eyes when we…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 08:44 PM
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Not everyone thinks through the implications of their ideas Dr Devon price! Of unmasking autism 🏴 says that a lot of evil happens because people simply don’t like uncomfortability and I think that’s something everyone can relate to
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 06:31 PM
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I wonder if in the future the left will ever own up to *also contributing to harm Too many in the left don’t have any core principles and view the left as the negation of the right So we get into a thing of future feminist findings vs current things feminism suppresses It’s why it’s annoying hearing all the men shut up rhetoric but then being told why you don’t open up to the people constantly telling you to be quiet and make space even if you literally have nowhere to go 😵‍💫🙄🤦🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 05:23 PM
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I know communists and feminists in far left communities who ACTUALLY are in difficult environments like the Bible Belt south and I know those for whom are just lashing out at people they always hated and are using their status as oppressed and their yes men around them to effectively shield them from criticism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 05:20 PM
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Plenty of oppressed folks use identity and cultural zeitgeists/poltergeists/spooks 👻 To effectively hide and excuse poor behaviour Some folks aren’t infantilised and downtrodden oppressed people, but simply repressed bully’s The Bully’s Pulpit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 05:19 PM
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Because of intersectional essentialism As someone with ocd I am simply thankful to be doing what I love Progressive rhetoric definitely didn’t help and I realised personally that many of them are full of shit Which is annoying because they hide behind systemic problems to guise what are effectively very arbitrary and personal reasons for their political views which they after the fact rationalize with the popular state ideology/religion in vogue/fashion/style ✒️🎥
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 05:16 PM
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It’s just world fallacy I realised that a lot of the loneliness rhetoric is politically crafted and based on ideology not material facts I had a friend who admitted it was only just to bully incels Which as someone with moral ocd it pussed me off that I believed in it and so much self blame and hate happened I simply think there are aspects of the left that are their own worst enemy when tackling men and boys It would be also interesting to read the “I am an anarchist” Erving Goffman on both sti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 05:13 PM
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Yea pretty much this It’s like how “body positivity” is just for women I’m only starting to realise the links between ocd and my own body dismorphia both health and look wise and how all the rhetoric on women being anorexic and wanting to be really skinny also applies to me but I never thought of myself like that because body positivity rarely gets applied to men, it’s simply just “do better.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 05:09 PM
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pretty much r/RadicalOCD It made me rethink some thinks Purity and danger, more like purity is danger Those avoidance mechanisms started very early And I wonder if the reasons I developed moral scrupulousity over feminism in particular was caused by it It’s also difficult because as a man some dogmatic folks on the left think I can’t understand what it’s like to feel fear
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 04:56 AM
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Exactly Wait until they know how much social violence their benevolent sexist men have committed to other men Benevolent sexism IS predatory sexism to men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 04:41 AM
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Yes it does reinforce irrational fears I have been on the other side of this and I know this too personally I now actually oppose the man vs bear discourse but too many leftists are dogmatic for me to care debate them about why I as a man don’t support this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 04:39 AM
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To many people think being a good person means conforming with some ideology or system rather than finding out what that INTERNALLY means for them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 04:38 AM
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It’s like that mysterious “academic feminism” that you end up realising that most leftists haven’t even been apart of or read 😑😵‍💫 Or when folks say they have read capital, most people haven’t
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 03:14 AM
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Yea it stupid because misandry is seen as “a response to oppression.” Which vastly oversimplifies both misogyny and misandry Leftists pretend that oppressed groups or atleast whoever claims to represent them are benevolent by facto of being oppressed I know plenty of folks who are similiar using the cultural zeitgeist and the fact that their friends won’t call them out on it to throw their rage at another “accepted target.” Things are more like feedback cycles than essentialist pathologies
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 03:13 AM
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So many “leftists” have fell for the first one and they have too big of an ego to even properly walk it back The damage has been done They would have much more scrutiny for anything negative about their movement but accept journalistic malpractice as “hurt feelings.” Make it make sense 😵‍💫🙄😑
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/26 08:24 PM
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Why?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/26 07:14 AM
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It’s just interesting reading about histories I don’t know much about
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/26 10:29 AM
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EVERYONE justified and rationalized their own harm small or big It’s neccesssry for social harm to take place And plenty of folks no matter what politics simply want to justify their own harm and personal vendettas with the appeal of political legitimacy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/26 05:03 AM
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🤫🫩
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/26 12:13 AM
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What’s the bail in this one? I realised that there motte and bailey arguments are similiar to how I thought of OCD? The only distinction is that I thought that that argument style was stupid and purposefully a joke 💀💀🤦🏿‍♂️🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/26 12:13 AM
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I just hate these phrases that become learned online without people thinking about what it actually means
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 11:58 PM
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Excellent analogy In every other context therapy has systemic problems but it men it doesn’t because they are men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 09:42 PM
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I thought those tribes were meant to be “progressive non colonial, enlightened savage” tropes Lmao 🤣
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 12:58 PM
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Disposability is an aspect of slaves not rulers The only thing would change is who commands and weaponises the social tool of male violence
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 12:57 PM
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Unironically this is how a lot of them argue 💀💀🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 12:55 PM
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💀💀 It’s like Stalinists saying that “capitalist encirclement” caused his persecution of gay people 🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 12:54 PM
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It’s interesting because I grew up with the whole boko haram are stealing women and girls rhetoric
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 10:00 AM
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The taliban 💀
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 09:59 AM
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Interesting 🧐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 06:53 AM
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Wdym by the usage of the term “lobotomize.?” I also really don’t like essentialising a supposed “male” way versus “female” way of doing things
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 02:10 AM
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I call it “the quiet violence of polite society.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 02:07 AM
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I really hate how a lot of feminists have to explain EVERYTHING with patriarchy theory It’s like saying a worker abusing their boss romantically is an aspect of capitalist oppression Yea noo 😑
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 10:06 PM
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💀
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 10:05 PM
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Honestly even I have never seen feminists (lovely self appointed “empaths” and advocates for men and boys everywhere) discuss this issue Good on you folks
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 10:05 PM
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What condition do you have may I ask?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 10:03 PM
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Yes I’ve seen this one It changes the focus and what aspects of the analysis are relevant SELECTIVELY Depending on the gender
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 06:00 PM
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Yea People in a lot of western countries are way too comfortable to actually embrace community, being there for others and helping each other Neoliberal capitalist control has been reframed as choice and “boundaries” when in effect it just isolates people again
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 05:54 PM
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It’s pretty much the progressive and “intellectual” coded way of telling someone to go away
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 05:52 PM
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I think a lot of the over labelling stems from psychiatry and psychology and has flowed into sociology and politics I remember asking a friend that if I didn’t know the difference between “deleuzian butlerian postmodern feminism” and radical dworkinite second wave feminism” then why the fuck would a ten year old young boy (whom by their very own rhetoric is stupid and doesn’t know anything) know the difference or even care about what is “academic feminism” or not? If all they hear after feminism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:33 PM
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I know trans men who complain about being seen as “opressors like the cis men,” I responded by saying one should find that to be a compliment as they think you are a full man, “not a half breed.” 😵‍💫💀🤦🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:30 PM
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I’ve seen this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:28 PM
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💀💀
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:28 PM
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This is the “100 million communism vuvuzula dead” of the “radical” left 💀😵‍💫🥲
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:27 PM
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Wtf 😵‍💫💀
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:26 PM
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Really? In what way are they frauds? Are they paid off or something?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:19 PM
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Pretty much
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:02 PM
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As a sociology student I do see this but would love an example
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 06:30 AM
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Breadtubers was a disaster for the left A lot of their opinions are ageing like milk
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 05:45 AM
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Absolutely 💯
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 03:57 AM
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Yea and I’m very dissapointed the hoola hoops foks will go through to put state ideology for basic common sense and care It’s like we are in the dark ages but everyone has a iPhone 🤦🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 12:54 AM
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“Bernie admitted it” ☠️☠️💀 That line right there was savage…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 04:46 AM
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I unironically agree I hate that folks rather than just being a better friend will tell a depressed person to just “go to therapy” which effectively clogs up the time , money and resources for people with much more severe problems Can these people please just practice the empathy they pretend to have The INFECTION of therapy speak culture into feminism has been one of the gravest mistakes of post modern society
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 08:50 PM
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Well in some sense I guess it doesn’t then Some feminists both modern and old were Misandrists But saying feminism as a whole is misandrist serves to force opposite and make feminism into another vague “bad” category
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 07:59 PM
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No I am exactly saying that a lot of “true feminists” aren’t even feminists at all 🙄🫠 In the same way that “communists” arent communists And even if they are then I would then oppose them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 07:55 PM
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I agree, it’s really impressive I’ve always felt a lot of the feminist movement just re packages benevolent sexism Like seriously what kind of oppressed class or atleast the social movement larping as the supporter of said oppressed class unironically makes arguments like “sorry because of men’s patriarchal mouth we are too weak and oppressed to convince men, they do listen to us and take up space so we just give up.” Male feminists pwetty please can you go and “talk to men about feminism” for u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 06:10 PM
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Or like when I heard the term “”gendered racism” online instead of misandry Seriously, if you got hit and gang r*ped by a bunch of cops imagine you taking about how the state views dangerous coded peoples (often men) and you get met with a “no you see it’s not a male issue that guys get put in jail and brutalised by the capitalist authoritarian police state and it’s Stanford prison experiment level guards but it’s actually a problem of “prisonality” or racism” And then when you talk about jails …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 05:59 PM
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Yea alot of leftists even those who criticize class reductionism for women and other minorities fall into that for men Some women’s issues are “capitalism +patriarchy/sexism” and some are HONESTLY just class issues that happen to materially effect women and girls But funnily enough I don’t actually care if feminists and leftists make these things women’s issues but you get alot of push back for saying the same thing about guys I have a friend who has brown hair and is a socialist who argued guys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 05:46 PM
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When men aren’t attractive to women it’s told that they aren’t entitled I have been not attracted to certain women or have in their own words more “prudish” “snobby” and “”high”” standards by progressives and non progressives Women are allowed personal liberty because of historical oppression with really reductive and simplified understandings of history and social dynamics to justify it but guys having standards is either “wrong” “”misogyny”” (my best friend told me this one) or you get some so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 05:41 PM
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Pretty much It’s just propaganda And if boys here this stuff develop low self esteem it will either be revised as some problem of “insert” bad feminism, or it will be seen as another aspect of males “being their worst enemy” or “male culture sucking” For people that either don’t know or don’t care about some of the MALE SUICIDE AND HOMELESSNESS/DISABILITY discourse that comes out in some of the weird corners of the feminist movement I really won’t care I just wish the left could have a degree or…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 05:35 PM
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I’d rather have young men and boys make their own meaning then the self appointed pretentious clerics of “”the left”” True liberation is self creation, not borrowing and recycling ones from bell hooks, she’s like what you call something that gets rusty and inefficient Like the dusty old tones of Illmatic or the decline of LeBron James, nothing stays serene forever Everything has an end, all goods things must die and at some point you have to “hang it up” In basketball terms we call it “WASHED.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 01:54 PM
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Completely agree It makes no sense how no matter how deconstructive leftists get they always want to re package the same old ARGUABLY patriarchal ideas Don’t judge movements by their labels
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 01:18 PM
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These ideologies self define what systemic is then move the goal posts I’ve seen so much personal grievances plastered under the authority of collective issues Which really annoys me when feminists mock guys for having personal and non systemic issues It’s just self referential nonsense Ideology with a capital I
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 10:48 AM
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Pretty much what I think I remember talking to an anarchist, a post left egoist anarchist who argued that the lines become very blurry between a lot of so called feminists and the patriarchy 80.324562% of them pretend to oppose These are similar to the state simplifications pointed out in James C Scott’s “Seeing like a state” or the classificatory tidy “rationality” pointed out in Mary Douglas’ Le “Purity and Danger.” Its the classic they mistake the map for the terrain or the forest for all the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 10:44 AM
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The first five lines is exactly what I experience from the left It’s like saying we should fight the patriarchy because if we don’t women will be radicalised in misandristic cults and “burn society” or some shit No feminist should accept that Men and boys shouldn’t accept that from “”the left”” either
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 05:03 AM
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And this is in avarice to socio constructivist arguments which argue that arguments for the wage gap naturalise male socialised traits like competition Also I have heard arguments that prisons were made “for men” (you know in the way that that implies it was made “in their interests). They lately got the term rape culture from descriptions of male prisons, and yes… male on male r*pe 🫣😭
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 04:23 PM
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Maybe not anymore tbh Researching ideology has weird things Like feminisms early racism in “some form” has still maintained itself for large sections of the movement For example the arguments white women made about black male underperformance in school due to “hyper masculinity” are the same as a lot of feminist arguments TODAY which effectively say the same thing for boys With femmephobia or even worse bioessentialist and normative arguments which really on assumptions which privilege the ways …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 04:19 PM
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Queer theory is deeply connected with liberal feminism? This is true? I know all sorts of folks who use and read queer theory
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 04:07 PM
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Kill all your heroes Gerda Lerner also did Engels esque slavery apologism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 03:38 PM
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Quick google search and yes.. yes he was Ideology land is quite interesting isn’t it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 03:37 PM
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Wasn’t he like a socialist or something?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 03:28 PM
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Wdym? Do you see this in other movements?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 02:51 PM
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Which stats in particular?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 04:33 PM
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Yea pretty piss poor take from her And the folks who are effected by school will be indigenous BOYS, black boys, disabled boys etc And then she will pretend to care about these groups if you remove the male label 👎🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:36 PM
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Yea and one could argue patriarchy is better thought of as a mixed hierarchy Outgrouped men have often been put in jail, and been the target of state violence Also not all of reality is reducible to power structures and hierarchy It makes social phenomena and their outcomes deterministic And given the many different strands their is not a shared way of thinking about patriarchy Màrxìšt stands centre it along with class and a byproduct or at least add on of class antagonisms Anarchists view it as…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:32 PM
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I wonder how popular the red pill even is The left makes it seem like 70 percent of Gen z guys are conservative My friend said “only” about “10 percent” of young boys are like literally Hitler I worry for his child given how he thinks about parenting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:03 PM
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Maybe it’s something to do with social media as someone with ocd having the bad things going on in the world always broadcasted is not good for one’s health Maybe it’s contributed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 08:18 AM
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When female sexuality is seen negatively it’s seen as misogyny and patriarchality I’ve always thought this was a huge oversimplification Some folks think sex taboos originate and our essentiallistically misogyny When it’s more complicated
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 08:17 AM
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Yea it’s an oversimplification Masculinity is seen to because over femininity but when it comes to black women it’s often complained that they are masculanised
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 11:12 PM
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I really hate all these dishonest “studies” they really don’t help one’s mood 😑😐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 04:07 PM
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Oh please you would think you treat your “guests” with politeness I’m one guy I just want to hear better arguments tbh When I ask the same question I am looking for something “new” not another sentence about Mary koss or Erin pizzey or the Duluth model “Misandry” which I do think exists in the feminist movement is not a structural analysis Some folks give it in detail and I appreciate and learn from them I ask similiar questions because I am trying to get a more well rounded picture on the probl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 04:06 PM
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What people can’t do internal critique? In fact it’s what’s necessary to grow and evade dogma
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 03:25 PM
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Also I do like when one user, a few actually compared it to a secular religion, I think a lot of modern politics functions that way You could accuse Marxism of the same as well It can often be self referential Too often unless talking about anthropology and history (my favourite topics kept for historical patriarchy) It only cites feminist authors or the canon But I guess that’s the point Built on questionable links and similarities to racism, class exploitation When they aren’t quite the same b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 03:00 PM
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To be fair I was temp banned I do like one users analysis that it can be a meta narrative and that it’s more interpretive and not scientific
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:54 PM
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Yes I get what you mean Ideology can often be bias I would I’ve to know a few examples in particular Same ones that point out immediately are explaining prison gaps as infantilisation of women so really misogyny or reducing gender phenomena to patriarchy when they are not the same Loneliness for men deserves contempt as they are misogynistic assholes/toxic male norms If women are more lonely in a category they are more victimized and deserve empathy and support Female socialisation is both more …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:14 PM
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Oh ok Give me an example?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:07 PM
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Fair enough I’m not sure if you self is as a feminist but you can’t just do the same? Without the escalation? I’m sure there are ways around this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:43 PM
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I unfortunately haven’t read enough of both zetkin and Luxembourg I’m still trying to get better knowledge on feminism as a guy What was their analysis on bourgeois feminism? And does that term mean exclusively non socialists or can bourgeois modes of thought be there even within a lot of say Marxist/anarcha and black feminisms?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:42 PM
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Well it was with the assumption that patriarchy functioned like other hierarchies The existence of male pain made feminism still have to interpret their suffering through a feminist lense The framework was made to center the oppression of women, girls, femininity etc So the abuse of boys is mentioned in the context of the why they lose their soul and perpetrate as adults not in its own right because it’s done under the context of how it links to women’s oppression It’s by design Another framewor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:34 PM
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I get what you mean It’s just good and evil thinking Everything has its own sense of toxicity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:29 PM
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When you say wordplay what are you referring to? Motte and Bailey’s? I’m not sure what you mean
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:13 PM
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I think he made the link between colour blindness and a lack of school book organisation It was the organisation part I was critiquing My sister was not fucking organised at all but was school captain and got the top grading system in school I’m saying the fact that boys having disorganised books with less colour coded distinctions within topics takes for granted a lot of assumptions about how folks learn Some people do better in chaos It was the organisation part not the colour blindness part b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:08 PM
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Idk the toxic masculinity framework is alright but it just gets stale and boring That post about men liking ig models pictures was next level embarassing seeing the cope from insecure women and men trying to obey their opinions ☠️💀
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:04 PM
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It was awhile ago in his twitter but he mentioned color blindness being more common among boys and how this makes it more difficult to make notes and organise homework This still takes for granted the framework and assumptions of school Some folks don’t learn by writing Some folks learn by conversation or by debate etc These things are excluded in fact as a guy who constantly heard the “debate bro” larping from breadtubers I wouldn’t be suprised if competition (which is not a bad thing at all at…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 12:53 PM
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How exactly? I’m not a fan of reeves at all He has bioessentialist talking points I’m coming from a critical perspective that wants to re imagine schooling and education entirely For me the problems are deeper with adult supremacy, capitalism and such The school was modeled after the prison and disciplinary institutions often look at males as rowdy and in need of control, policing and correct ment It’s normative and teaching should be more of a back and forth rather than a micro dictator in the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 12:48 PM
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As someone who has had quite a few male friends be in controlling or straight up abusive relationships even if some where both sided I am Interested because he does highlight uncomfortable stats in those regards Sometimes I feel like he can be more critical of schooling as a disciplinary institution but I like his care for boys in school It’s better than most who simply naturalise or justify boys poor grading or at best try to simplify it to a culture of laziness based on femmephobia
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 12:25 PM
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Examples? If I can remember the one about boys doing r*pe lists It was anecdotal based on a school near me But it wasn’t based on stats Downplaying male victimisation? Can’t remember which points maybe the sabrina carpenter one? I have heard she’s like future for white women And as someone that before engaged in misandry culture I do feel bad about it You can absorb at of negative ideas about yourself depending on who you are and what kind of feminist Granted I think the ways society hires men i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 11:29 AM
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When did I say this sub shits on women? What I would say is *sometimes it can be uncharitable to feminism But inversely sometimes feminism can be uncharitable to male advocacy even menslib for fair and unfair reasons That this is just a reactionary backlash or Màrxìšt dude bros Rather than folks who just want to extend empathy and analysis to men as well And certain interpretations of power preclude that empathy or at best frame men’s pain as instrumental in women’s larger historical opression n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 11:04 AM
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I think it gets too much of a bad rap here I still call myself a men’s liberationist (I reject rights on principle as an anarchist and I likely wouldn’t approach men’s issues the same as the majority of the non anarchist liberal/socdem/socialist menslib or here but nevertheless There’s a lot of good analysis that happens there It’s a mixed bag with everything but I wish these ideological barriers could collapse and folks really just communicate cause folks Apt of stuff is just people talking pas…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 10:59 AM
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Why am I a Psyop? I don’t have that much power Before I was banned one r/askfeminist user called Me Controlled opposition
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 10:50 AM
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Why? I would like to here structural arguments against feminist epistemology As well as its variations in Marxism, anarchism, intersectional, etc Or perhaps its thinkers Ike de Beauvoir, Wollstonecraft, Laura bates, Jessica Valenti, Angela Davis etc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 10:49 AM
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I do agree that there is some dogma definitely present in a lot of mainstream feminism (I’ve completely moved to detesting therapy speak culture as effectively an excuse to not help others out, it’s individualism repackaged, and is not enough to solve serious social difficulties) But what are your thoughts? It would be interesting as for me this is a learning process? Same as everything
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 10:39 AM
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There are postmodernists on this sub tho? Also couldn’t one just argue that men being forced into oppressive gender roles is also compatible with patriarchy It just is a “side effect” of the oppression of women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 10:37 AM
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When you say unbiased examination of gender roles? What does that look like? Isn’t any interpretative framework (even good ones) inherently biased? It al starts with assumptions that you have to ground your thinking towards? (Even trying to embrace a “left wing” (whatever that entails, if you base leftism off of class analysis, support for oppressed groups, anti hierarchy, it just being “correct”) it still contains bias and the left isn’t even a cohesive thing but a hodge podge of different move…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 10:11 AM
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It seems everything for some folks has to be exclusively explained via feminist theory for some on the left I’ve seen the fact that Mothers kill their young children and babies at higher rates “explained away” as “the pressures of patriarchy.” In quotes Edit:Mothers
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 09:44 AM
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Yea I’m particularly sensitive about the disgust emotion It signals social conformity So feminine men are not conforming to traditional standards of masculinity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 09:04 AM
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That’s where the term “ick” comes from
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 08:55 AM
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What’s a “mirroring strategy.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 08:04 AM
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Yea this is one I’ve noticed It’s mostly a religious and political issue not a gender split one
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 06:18 AM
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Explain?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 06:16 AM
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“The ick” needs to die It’s based on Spidey senses and not morality or practicality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 05:12 AM
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Sometimes I do think the left more wants to convert men then help them do it’s an interesting comparison to Missionaries and proselytizers
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:49 AM
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I’m I often can’t tell the difference between patriarchal beliefs where shame was used to reinforce that men should protect women and a lot of progressive verbiage Fuck shame and collective duties. If I ad a man wants to do something it is because I as an individual want to, not because I am compelled to by being apart of some group
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:35 AM
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This is like carceral meninism man 🤣
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:32 AM
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For young men would you say the “broke/bum” or staying in parents basement till 40etc stereotype happens more to men? I’ve always felt it did but I want to ask?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 05:17 PM
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Which is why it’s useful to be critical In gender studies feminists admit that it’s a conflicting field and not a cohesive movement So therefore it doesn’t have cohesive views on men Plenty of feminists DONT help men and don’t even claim to I think these internal complexity should be better acknowledged rather than pretending as if all feminists help men or they are all in agreement with what that would entail The a million ways of conceptualising patriarchal power whether by Marxist feminists, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:58 PM
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It’s annoying because as a guy I actually get criticized for this While for women it’s allowed because of historical reasons Sometimes the oppressor oppressed dichotomy Can be taken so literally as to function as strictly as gender roles (I saw someone on r/OCD get moral scrupulousity over being attracted to men, conflicting with “feminist beliefs”) It feels like I can’t just be an Individual I have to hear discourse of making space for women and how men talk too much and idk try to be mindful b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:48 PM
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To be fair they still exist People have wondered if I was gay or queer It happens when you aren’t overtly sexual Effectively like being called prudish
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:38 PM
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Same 🤣 😜
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 03:07 PM
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Well women’s safety can and should still be pursued but authoritarian and carceral methods should be sharply criticised I remember when author of unmasking autism dr Devon price had an essay about youth liberation saying “your fear is dangerous and your power is greater than you think,” mentioning black boys in how fear mongering came to actually create fear the most for the externalised and demonised group Sometimes protectionism can be very conservatism and paradoxically very punitive
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 02:41 PM
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Aso in cases where men or boys aren’t confident male ego is still assumed I.e insert “men are socialised with all this confidence and ego, privilege and power and STILL don’t perform well.” Etc Don’t have to throw out the baby with the bathwater Whatever you make of feminism or patriarchy if you believe or not I think a more complex and diverse analysis needs to be done For younger and boys their perspectives should be valued directly rather than “talked about” abstractly as a political narrativ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 01:59 PM
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Honestly attaching morality to dating and friendships is such a stupid idea Until the modern discourse came I never really thought anything about a lack of abundance of friends or partners/options meant anything about someone’s character Infact a lot of assholes manipulate complex webs of social and financial relations and this is how they maintain power Even bullies in primary school do this Grifter I think is more just a political term at this point Frankly I do think the toxic masculinity fra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 01:55 PM
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When you say progressive language and culture what are you reffering to in particular?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 01:41 PM
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You just refused to engage with my earlier comment so why would I engage with yours?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 01:22 PM
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I’m a male
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 01:12 PM
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Well that’s pretty lazy 😐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 01:04 PM
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Ehh this feels quite abit. Toxic coded, it’s doing the whole “women just want bad boys” thing. I do think there is something wrong with dating (and friendship) norms and I also think there are material difficulties All kinds of social relationships are linked, the problems that arise for friendships also arise for relationships They are impersonal and a product of capitalist alienation and product seeking, commodifying relating and dating Online/social media and work giving people little time to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 01:02 PM
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Yea I remember a few likeminded cases As an introverted person with ADHD and who is possibly on the spectrum I talk to myself a lot (even out loud 😂) I was walking around outside my parents surgery talking to myself and a day called the cops on me One time back when I was in high school I posted and anti work essay on this girls ig as a joke and someone said I did “harassment.” Like I understand but a weird guy walking listening to music while singing the lyrics or talking to himself is not a da…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 12:53 PM
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I’ve heard it described as “gendered racism.” Like sure but I don’t know why we need to invent new words to obscurity the fact that men are materially harmed Some folks will do anything but concede even minor points (one that atleast some leftists concede).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 11:44 AM
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Honestly guys should reject being externally defined You realise whatever you do some section of folks will do (this particular type) make bad I even embrace some it Men are seen as dangerous or toxic/whatever I actually embrace it As someone with ocd taboo shouldn’t scare me and the particular taboo around incels says more about what sort of folks think is a sign of being a “successful” or put together male Frankly I don’t care and from my guess the left is a lot more lonely then their propagan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 10:54 AM
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I often feel like it’s a (the slur) a reaction to the spinster rhetoric of the past, giving males “a taste of their own medicine.” Even if most of the young to older women who say this weren’t around when it was popular, similiar to the label “witch” the language of witches and witch trials are still being used to day for good and for bad
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 08:04 AM
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I’ve always said that prison abolition would fit very well for the issues of men and boys 🏴
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 03:22 AM
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I wonder if this is true for neuroD men A lack of eye contact and a “deficit” in social skills are often challenged by neurodivergents as reflecting subjective norms But amongst males these are treated as defects Doubly true for neuroD men and boys who often are targeted for bullying, stand out more (challenges are relative and not black and white bits it’s often made that being easier to mask is a negative for women and girls, I’m not denying that but being seen as “weird” or out of place can b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 12:31 AM
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Well socialism also has the same prpblem 🤷🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 06:03 AM
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Really? Valerie Solanas?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 05:37 AM
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What “academics” and “theorists” are you talking about man?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 12:02 AM
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In the eyes of many leftists “this is different” because back people are an “oppressed group” while men are an “oppressor group” I wish I was joking that this was the logic of soy of lefties but it unironically is Also a lot of that violence is done by and to black MEN with white men being incarcerated and searched at higher rates then black women It’s ultimately derailment and actually serves to point away discussions centering vulnerable and victimized males all while saying we don’t think men…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 09:38 PM
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To be fair patriarchy isn’t when individual rulers are men, it’s a whole system It’s like thinking a few “socialist” states (whether we really want to call the socialist or state capitalist) change the general world system And even then not everything is about patriarchy, patriarchy isn’t just one form of “archy” the larger problem is rule and domination, not war gender, not what gender or gender constructs (femininity/masculinity) take its mantle
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 09:09 PM
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Well my friend did say that matriarchies would be “nicer” than patriarchies, even if me or him wouldn’t prefer either
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 08:35 PM
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Honestly one would think leftists should know better Hey critique conservatives for the same kind of attitudes about poor and homeless people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 07:43 PM
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When you say reasonable? What do you mean? What justifies it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 11:49 AM
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Some of them just need to get of their high horse For men with sketchy behaviour a lot of them don’t care and there are better approaches to change then shame For those who lack confidence it pushes them to places of low self esteem Understanding, compassion, forgiveness and progress are better than castigation at dealing with food who made honest mishaps or are in good faith
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 11:48 AM
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Creep and virgin shaming need to go and I honestly wish these rather privileged breadtubers who sit in the comfort of their twitch streams read the room Not everyone has the money, status (however partial) and “looks” and folks like Hasan should be aware of this as a socialist AI has produced the worse creep hysteria and backwards opinions on not only male sexuality but negative male stereotypes in general Our society in many senses is prudish and puritan Many anarchists I know element (lament) …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 11:12 AM
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Is there an explanation for this? This point has always interested me?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 08:23 AM
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Pretty much It effectively functions for folks who don’t have much empathy nor emotional intelligence but want to pretty much be an asshole while giving the appearance of sophistication
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 07:05 AM
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Instead of men ordering men to police men for the “protection” of women It’s ist done directly Part of what is seen as male privilege is agency but agency to fight r*pists doesn’t feel like a nice one for this soft child 😮‍💨😭 Hierarchy isn’t just about space and range but who gives orders and who takes them I don’t believe male disposability is inherently patriarchal nor is the male protector role where men In patriarchies the most protected people are actually elite men, protection in terms of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 04:25 PM
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Sometimes I wonder how much of the “men need to do this or that” may just be masked infantilisation A feminist way of repackaging the male protector role where men are disposable cops for the feminist movement It comes with the often unstated assumption that being born not a male gives one a pass at self reflection, action or that by virtue of being the oppressed in conflict theory (even if I agree but just for the sake of the argument) one is born already up to speed and men are in debt needing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 04:19 PM
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A lot of the folks who talk about men needing therapy either need therapy or haven’t ever been to a session It’s Soooo common for incorrect diagnosis’s, difficult relations with psychiatrists and utter dehumanisation in psych wards Plenty of illnesses need specialists and are poorly understood by most general therapists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 01:17 PM
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You know what it is interesting I was talking to someone who was an assistant teacher who said that a lot of the identity politics she encountered at university were pretty full on, conservative and absolutely based on power There is an interesting zine that I look to get by Juno Aventurine (on insta @juno_aventurine) called “The Good People Will Destroy Us”- Social Incarceration, Trauma and Moral Hierarchy I haven’t got it yet but hearing her ideas I think it’s relevant as she critiques “identi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 01:13 PM
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I’m not sure how to respond to this There are definitely folks who take ideologies in a way that is akin to religion but it’s not special to feminism I’ve seen this same tendency in a lot of progressive movements I do think alot of the self reflection and unlearning while useful can be posited in a way that can be dogmatic and reduce the complexity of one’s life It treats folks especially men as born bad almost a guilty till innocent Too many folks treat unlearning as some straight line linear p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 12:29 PM
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Too much of that is excused on the left A lot of gender wars discourse aren’t producing solutions or commonality but folks who are increasingly becoming more distant with others On the left it’s more subtle the Individualism often masks itself as “independance” or protecting one’s peace Large sections of feminist discourse meaning or not is a very easy way to repackage capitalism, isolation and loneliness without it sounding like hustle culture or gym bro culture Frankly a populous who feels tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 12:23 PM
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Feminist industrial complex? Is that a thing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 12:15 PM
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Yea that’s true Simplicity is easy even if it isn’t correct
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 01:14 AM
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I fear the two extremes Every ideology, even ones we hold most dear aren’t above criticism but turning something into a silo of criticism where it in a sense becomes DEFINED Against the very thing is another
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 08:27 PM
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What updates do you think feminism in the modern era is missing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 08:25 PM
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I’m not a Marxist Leninist but even this is a strawman
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 08:23 PM
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Alright man, it’s just cause another poster was a bit flinchy I understand it’s a heavy topic but please don’t assume the worst I’ll do better next time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 12:32 PM
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Yalll are giving me a hard time over little 😑😑 Do I have to renounce feminism as Satan for yall folks to accept 🙄🤦🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 11:53 AM
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I admit I jumped to conclusions and I take full accountability but an abuse apologist? Really?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 11:47 AM
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Yea the curry book I apologise for but I think you are overblowing my “denial” of male Victimisation
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 07:12 AM
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Constantly downplaying male victimisation?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 07:10 AM
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I do You Guys have changed my mind on a few points Doesn’t mean I simpy have to agree with everything yall say Disagreement is healthy and apart of politics and life
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 07:01 AM
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Yea it’s A really toxic and braindead part of online left wing culture
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 06:19 AM
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It happens with racism “if you feel weird is further proof you are one of the bad ones” No room for human complexity, disagreements or just sensitivities Some folks just get icky about dark topics even if they aren’t A bigot
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 06:14 AM
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Fair enough I’m just critical of the polarization of these things Like ask alot of feminists and menslib to lwma are all just misogynists no further explanation And ask Here and feminism is just a misandristic cult I do believe the left can do better with holding itself accountable in terms of out of bounds discourse to men buts it’s not all bad Sometimes I fear that communities van become like eco chambers, confirmation bias where we see everything as misandristic or patriarchal or colonial or …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 05:59 AM
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There are too many left wingers that have that notion of reality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 05:54 AM
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To be fair a subreddit isn’t “feminism” nor does it represent women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 05:53 AM
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Oh so women are more hostile to male victimhood? Even if that’s true i think the comment was a good explanation Some folks view victimhood as zero sum and fragile Empowerment for women has to entail less empathy for men for too many
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 05:53 AM
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Yea I think both non feminist men and feminists can often belittle men’s issues for different reasons For non feminists it can be due to viewing men being victims as emasculating or viewing men as too strong to go through struggles Think of “toughen up buttercup/princess” or making prison r*pe jokes or saying “they probably liked it” when female on male sa comes up For certain feminists they may have a fragile notion of victimhood and any mention of male pain and struggle either has to be dismis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 05:40 AM
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12 weird ones haha 😛😅
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 01:08 AM
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Just thought it was funny Everytime I hear discord mentioned something weird is happening
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 08:45 AM
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Yea but the reasons like “maximum control” sound trad con coded
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:36 AM
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Niche global discord 💀
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:35 AM
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Nah not defending this That line “maximum control” sounds real sus and is giving me the bejeebees 😟😬
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:34 AM
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Explain?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 11:41 PM
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It’s studied in academia?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 11:32 PM
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To be fair boys have done r*pe lists and there is the whole telegram thing (even if the numbers are a bit misleading)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 11:17 PM
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Like it’s not that big of a deal but I wish because wouldn’t always point to so and so approved feminism like it’s above limits and bad discourses only happen online in regards to men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 05:31 AM
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Sometimes if I wonder that if it was the quiet before the storm
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 02:42 AM
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Yep…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 02:39 AM
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Wdym by open minded? May I ask?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 02:38 AM
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I swear folks were saying it was some period from 2016-2019 were things started going downhill 🧐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 02:34 AM
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Well a lot of leftists just want themselves to be a new government
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 11:13 PM
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Someone called her future for white women. ☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 11:12 PM
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Yea luckily and fortunately for me I have a mental health appointment tommorow Going to actual therapy and having a psychiatrist you realise how bad these systems are and it’s no one’s fault in particular But as a guy it feels like people are almost asking you to be responsible for things you can’t control like other men lmao 😵‍💫😭 When you ask a lot of feminists what you can’t realistically do it feels like folks just play coy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 12:50 PM
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Maybe more the dejected part or like I’m too tired to even try at this point
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 05:13 AM
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Isn’t a doom spiral the opposite of a purity spiral? If the left wasn’t so rigid both these things wouldn’t happen
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 04:35 AM
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Online has amplified some of the worst tendencies in leftist culture
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 04:28 AM
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Honestly as someone who wishes to travel even I am finding this quite perfomative It feels Ike holding a party line
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 04:17 AM
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The amount of suffering I went through listening to childless and sexless leftists 😵‍💫
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 06:29 AM
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What did they say might I ask?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 06:26 AM
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You heard of the book paradox policy by Deborah stone?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 06:25 AM
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Ikr 😵‍💫🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 06:17 AM
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I get what one other commenter said when they say they sound like a bunch of religious fundamentalists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 11:27 PM
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I would love to learn tbh Didn’t Derrida say he “wouldn’t call it a liberation” When he talked about feminism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 11:26 PM
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Honestly I haven’t looked the term up It’s interesting hearing words again that I haven’t remembered in years
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 09:26 PM
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Yea
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 08:43 PM
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May I ask? What is the hidden meaning here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 08:39 PM
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I feel like this and I’m gen z 😵‍💫😔🥲
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 07:09 PM
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They will likely defend these things for years 😵‍💫
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 06:22 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that postmodernism views itself as “acidic” 🧪🦠 to all knowledge
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:11 PM
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It’s like being in youth rights Techically I understand it but so many folks use it poorly I’ve seen people compare teachers to cops and parents to slavers Lie yes I understand that parents legally “own” their children but these are not equivalent It reminds me of that post in r/anarchy101 where they asked if al hierarchies are the same The answer would obviously be no but so many leftists view it that way
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:06 PM
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Perhaps the secondary I understand what you guys mean though Foucault did call knowledge power I’m probably wrong and haven’t done enough reading My brain is a bit tired but yea critical theory can often become self indulgent and pretentious I’ve talked to people doing a phd that a lot of academic culture is unironically pretty conservative She said the identity politics was pretty full on, very contradictory and based on power
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:00 PM
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I agree
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 01:54 PM
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Yes I agree Theories are more like tools then sacred scruples
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 01:11 PM
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I hope to read this later
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 11:46 AM
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At this point I even agree The folks who keep brow beating guys about emotional intelligence are the same one who would never introspect on why men wouldn’t open up Sorry folks for being tired but it is just sad seeing things like phone calls being cultural “icks” I have never felt covid 19 or quarantine more than I do now 🥲
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 11:43 AM
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I thought most feminists supported amber heard? Or atleast the further left or spicy ones compared it to a witch hunt
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 08:33 AM
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Yea it’s Why these things are so annoying
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 08:32 AM
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The problem is as a postmodern (well I may be wrong but I’m still researching” I am skeptical of all models I remembered one of my teacher said that the power of eurocentricism is that it defines the globe with the Mercator projection The problem with the left is that wants to split the world into oppressed group and oppressor group or try to map coordinates as left or right, up and down, straight and narrow, libertarian, authoritarian, a million definitions and re definitions and additions will…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 08:22 AM
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As an Australian I would love to go in and verify
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 08:16 AM
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That’s the point The arguments a lot of folks make to defend stuff and studies like these aren’t coherent
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 06:31 AM
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Ikr it’s so annoying I have friends who watched him and I swear maybe I took him too seriously and for them it was just a joke They will appeal to the fact he was a s*x trafficker but that’s not why he was platformed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 06:30 AM
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It’s like buying books about how to murder a man in ten days Fun for me and alot of women but torturous for guys who take that seriously Same in reverse However one isn’t acknowledged and too many dumbass leftists hide behind “the Andrew tates of the world.” Andrew Tate could have died and these morons suck his dick so much these men and women would collectively still be singing his name
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 06:16 AM
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Women typical have conflict with eachother? I thought last time they were talking about men having mental illnesses more because women’s socialisation was better because women had to do better because men were worse because men were the oppressor class Thus they fought with eachother as men are more competitive and competition is bad because caption is bad and capitalism is based off competition and My brain is fried 😵‍💫🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 06:14 AM
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I thought those were the Salem witch trials? And she was actually completely a pure victim?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 05:45 AM
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This is what I am starting to realised I think a lot of the toolkits people have been given are outdated And older leftists Sometimes don’t get that for a lot of people growing up in the information or maybe the “misinformation” age as well as covid 19 their lives have been shell shocked with the aftermath of 9/11 and so much takes of war, of Islamophobia, of folks calling trans folk attack helicopters I do wonder how many leftists are either in the past or effectively living in the past Any UNS…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 05:44 AM
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I swear if you ragebaited the left they would be so easy to fool Joke content about a guy pushing a girl is so obviously a troll Sometimes I wonder if my sister was right and the left should never have platformed Andrew Tate because they will turn him into a forbidden fruit The road to hell is paved with good intentions Hell can’t have it’s power without heaven
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 05:34 AM
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Then Its “oh thats quite interesting.” And you feel defeated because you spent so long obeying whatever the feminist consensus was This is why the powers of theories can feel religious And why I moved to being an egoist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 05:31 AM
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I hate it and seeing folks just move the goalposts They will never feel any half of the degree that you they want any rational human being to feel after the statement “all men” or “men need to do.” Etc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 05:30 AM
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I hate folks making excuses like “this is 2nd wave feminism” It’s as useful as when a man did something bad to a women and you explain that “sorry he’s been in a coma for fourty years” and woke up he was also raised as a catholic by old parents No women would or should except a history lesson on war, agriculture, class society, or government Why should member themselves as abstractions in grand narratives pretending to be postmodern and not as people Edit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 04:39 AM
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Yea I lowkey agree And doing more ACTUAL self reflection and emotional labour has me realising how restrictive these left wing ideologies are And for all the nonsense folks like me go though in many to just accept a moving if the goal posts mmm 🤔 A friend of mine said that he thinks 2nd wave feminism is still here Honestly I don’t care whatever wave I is if it’s a sine function a 13th wave feminism or my fucking ass some of these folks are so religious that basic common sense like “if the toxic …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:28 AM
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It’s just disgust/purity and fear mongering It’s not “by other men” it’s “by other men” because a bunch of men listens to much to white womens fears and othered men met he system itself It’s never the right feminism to these guys just like how is never the right Christianity Left/right politics is overrated Every dog has its day Nothing is sacred? And like eating shit/rubbish nothing lasts forever and some things age like fine milk 👎🏿🤢
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 12:17 AM
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I this mysterious “academic feminism” I had folks compare using chat bots to rape Using some kind of “objectification” or viewing women as some static object to control When I pointed out (out of curiosity) that dildos would follow the same logic I got laughed at Now these group of idiots are likely “lonely” not only did I predict this but I’m meant to feel sorry for such liberals
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 12:13 AM
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Yea I unfortunately get what you mean but That’s becoming a problem for with every ideology
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 09:04 PM
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I get what you mean It’s the powers of taboos, labels and assumptions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 07:14 PM
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Even I am starting to agree I had a talk with a teacher today and we pretty much agreed It’s hilarious how much left wingers think reality fits into four boxes They are simply lucky that some young men read the tr leaves and go post left not further right It was eye opening reading one egoist critique of identity and I started agreeing with post leftists that a lot of identity politics feels personally restrictive We also agreed in that it unknowingly or knowingly places benevolence on such oppr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 07:12 PM
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These inconsistencies and good unwillingness to admit them is unironically why I am an anarchist Seeing folks double my age fail basic questions was a real eye opener and no…. I’m not gonna shove all other boys under the rug just to pose as “one of the good ones” it’s true that there are ways the patriarchy (atleast however often undefined) hurts men as well as it’s equally if not often not more true that there are ways the left is its own worse enemy I realised this wasn’t a feminism problem, t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 07:01 PM
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They don’t have the introspection or emotional intelligence to think their own critiques can be used against them Even I feel bad today for mansplaining to one of my favourite teachers 🥹😭☠️🤦🏿 It’s really over excitement but I get why it can come off as rude, annoying or arrogant
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 06:54 PM
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I’m seeing even content creators I like fall for fake studies this world really has felt upside down for many people since Covid 19
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 06:52 PM
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Yea it’s is what reality feels like Rn nonsensical
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 12:44 PM
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Is this effectively the HR Department joke all over again?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 12:42 PM
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That last line is the realist thing anyone has said
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 12:35 PM
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That’s the point What right does anyone have to give me an “evaluation” and why wouldn’t one just reject being classified or categorized all together
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 12:33 PM
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I get why tommy curry Made the man-not Seeing trusted friends hide behind “systemic issues” and “facts rather than mens “feelings”” (painted pink) Just to reveal that it’s loved experience talking to MRAs, or having their friends get hurt pisses me off I get what yall mean when you say the left is unironically often it’s own worse enemy How much is lost by treating feminism of (whatever can call or hide behind as such) dear, precious, untouchable, pure, absolute, good, moral, holy,sacred,sanctim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 12:27 PM
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And These folks talk about poststructuralism and essentialism ☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 12:19 PM
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The will then say if you almost you murderedby your wife it’s your own fault you thought that “feminine energy” was “”weak””
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 12:17 PM
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Agree “Women are too “infantiized” to do mass shootings” Energy Governments easily fear monger fears of men Paradoxically it’s arguably what led to them And it hurts racialised and othered men specifically
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 12:16 PM
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It has Most leftists are so scared of the word misandry that you can unironically trick them into being misogynists They will criticise science and maths before they understand that terms like “toxic masculinity” are equally spooks and social constructs Being temp banned and yelled at by “egoists” Getting laughed at in entire classrooms for asking genuine questions I wonder how much left wingers are unironically stupid Labels can be deceiving It’s not that I am no a feminist but it’s just more s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 12:15 AM
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As someone with severe ocd reading the link between avoidance behaviours fear and disgust was eye opening “The ick” that funny term is actually quite dark Think of the term “avoid” LIKE THE PLAGUE 🦠
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 11:43 PM
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Life isn’t coherent one should make their own meanings and decisions 🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 10:17 AM
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Also expecting consistency is redundant when even the best leftists can be fooled by their own tests 🙂😉
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 05:48 AM
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Your median anything is too dumb to be consistent I have met libertarian socialists and folks in left wing political orgs who don’t know who bell hooks is 🤣
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 05:40 AM
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As an anarchist it’s weird hearing anarchists say they don’t want something criticised, nothing is above being questioned INCLUDING YOURSELF There’s a reason I’m more and more anti platformist because most leftists would clap at micro scalp governments larping as anarchy Either they end up being small cults ruled by men or they still have hierarchy but just with women at the top and leftists think the problem is who creates rules rather than power itself The classic idiom of the white man talkin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 05:38 AM
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No it’s the paradoxes of patriarchy but unironically and this one quite saddens me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 12:52 PM
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Sometimes I do think a lot of “so called” feminists are unironically pysops ☠️🙏🏿🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 03:50 PM
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Honestly sometimes I feel this way as well lowkey bro 😎🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 03:41 PM
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It’s the same feeling I got when I saw a feminist study online that pulled somewhere in someplace man from 18 to 34 and came to the conclusion that 95.1% of them would fit the category for sexual coercion and that 67% of them have done it granted I am clean I’ve never had sex, but there is no way in hell. I trust the methodology of this fucking story if you pull women on this story, I really wonder how many women would also have high schools on the same thing in theory or practice like saying ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 06:42 PM
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Exactly ❤️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 11:59 PM
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Well some folks are getting it from the wrong places
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 04:46 PM
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I mean it can be useful for some men and boys Some like external guidelines and a stable meaning or sense of self and purpose
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 04:40 PM
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This sounds like red pill shit 🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 04:34 PM
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Bro this sounds hateful
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 04:24 PM
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For what reason may I ask?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 02:39 PM
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male violence if they’re assuming this mass rape is done by men can also be an impetus for locking men up for men locking men up like it is now
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 11:21 PM
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Everything is a jail cell so I get how you’re thinking protection ideas can turn into a form of control where women get boxing I understand thank you for giving the example. It’s something I can as understand someone who cares about safety
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 11:19 PM
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I’m not sure if humans react and fixed ways many times in natural disasters people actually respond with lots of urgency lots of solidarity and lots of community so it really depends on the culture
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 10:56 PM
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Could be anything mass r*pe, male disposability I’m not sure what you’re saying
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 10:33 PM
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Not sure about the lesbian interpersonal violence rates I have heard that they’re bad one of the excuses I’ve heard is that they have internalized patriarchal norms this one I think it’s a bit of a cope when it comes to high rates of divorce. I’ve heard arguments that women do more self reflection so they stay in bad relationships less than men to me. That’s just a subjective interpretation or you could say men are more loyal, or men stay through the hard times things like that etc I think when …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 10:31 PM
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The problem with the by other men argument is the same problem that you could have if one said America does the bad stuff in the world or cis white men are the ones killing innocent civilians in the Middle East the drone pilots argument, the female drone pilot argument, as if we had female drone pilots or another world number one such as China That they would act more benevolent. The fact that men are doing it is irrelevant the reasons why men do it is what matters viewing men as acceptable targ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 10:17 PM
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Then do this for all feminists, not just male feminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 10:12 PM
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At this point, I don’t wanna be that guy but we need to get off-line and out of ideology and into real people in real lives. Who cares if you get banned on a feminist sub (honestly some of them are really idiots anyways and mods are like… kind of fascist)yeah online is something but it’s not everything and I’m sure that if we all came together to fight fascist or whatever we’d all agree debating a lot, and most lefties are very insular and have an ego about debating people that agree with debati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 10:07 PM
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“ is jail to keep the bad guys out or the good guys in?”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 09:54 PM
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It’s like pink coded fascism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 09:52 PM
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As long as you see women as the enemy or even the feminists, nothing will get solved. I think positive the thing that we need to do is have an honest discussion between these groups, put our egos to the side and really talk about what our problems are cause I feel like being in multiple spaces men’s lib, feminist spaces here there’s a lot of miscommunication and I know there’s a lot of feminist who actually agree with you, but there are feminists and there are people here who have all kinds of b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 08:15 PM
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This is the same punitive nonsense. You critique in another comment. You realize a lot of male feminists also haven’t done anything wrong and you will be victimizing them for no reason just like you critique men who are not feminist for how they can be seen as guilty for things they didn’t do don’t make the same mistakes. I don’t want this return to a ping-pong match like it’s like childhood teams or something in school. how about we all just act as adults and learn to get along
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 08:06 PM
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It’s interesting how the same kind of stranger danger rhetoric that gets used against Muslims and Black people is not OK but when panics about male violence or violence by boys happen, it’s suddenly OK even though these groups often overlap? Like the discourse that women fear getting killed on dates Why take someone to your house on a date? I don’t want to victim blame but I have an experience in Rio. I got robbed and the response from my friend was. Why were you outside? Why were you walking ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 08:00 PM
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I would like to look more into the empathy gap
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 07:55 PM
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Acceptable use of the word SIMP 🙂👍🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 01:18 PM
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Certain feminists can be no of different than the patriarchy they “oppose.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 01:18 PM
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At this point Boys should become even more rebellious need more anarchist youth who want to destroy states if they ever try nonsense like this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 01:05 PM
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Was busy but I was planning to the second I got a response
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 07:59 AM
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Yeah, these are some of the problems I have with a lot of quote on quote studies that often studies that are antagonistic to an ideology get rejected or heavily scrutinized in ways that studies that conform to what peoples opinions are don’t and then you have the interpretation problem of how do you interpret the study and what is kind of saying and where the study takes place and it sends you down the rabbit hole
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 04:41 PM
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Honestly it’s unfair to judge the feminist movement for having racists in the 60s when like every movement had some problematic mentality in the 60s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 03:28 PM
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It is something new Before women’s safety was used either maliciously or unintentionally to control them now those concerns are being used to question control The same values can have completely opposite interpretations so for example, example you could believe society is mistrustful, and you can use this as an excuse to, therefore not trust any authority such as Anarchists or distrust can be used in service of authority in service of a society of suspicion fear guilt, and control Concerns about…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 03:02 PM
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Can you give me a source for kollantai and luxemburg opposing feminism? This is genuinely out of curiosity I know terms are fungible and porous across space and time Also black and socialist feminists have made the same Critiques that a lot of feminism and feminists treat it just for white and bourgeois women And there is lots of literature fròm federici and others who talk about the role of domestic labor in the social reproduction of capitalist relations Also some of these critiques are unfair…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 02:52 PM
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What does “true socialist movements”count as in your view and how is this different than the no true Scotsman you critique in feminism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 01:51 PM
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Well, the thing is that this is one of the things which I have always been kind of critical of it. I’ve been very tired too much to make a post about I wish i could respond to more messages as well, but I guess that’s just what it is. I don’t think this is specific to feminism, but I think feminism in some forms has adopted a lot of the wider problems of leftist culture.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 01:04 PM
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Also, I’m not trying to be anti-science or like a skeptic but sometimes I don’t trust a lot of the studies that say left-wing is good left-wing is more intelligent than right wingers . Left-wing has higher like ability . The people who vote right or people who are against this are just like dumb and I feel like it’s making politics everything. As I guy I am skeptical if the Lonliess epidemic of men really conforms to right wing and left-wing categories or that’s just left-wing propaganda. People…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 12:47 PM
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I mean, I’ve heard of the horseshoe theory of mental illness and if someone who’s left-wing, it’s potentially true some of these people are really traumatized people, and as a degree in which we can really humanize with that, I guess the question is whether the peoples traumas or individual experiences are Evenly counted or some are accounted, and some others are not
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 12:41 PM
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🥺😔
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 09:18 AM
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Depends what you study 🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 06:52 PM
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In what ways? And was this purposeful or incidental?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 06:51 PM
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What do you think is the origin of this supposed in group bias? I can easily see it being explained away by the fact that women in the patriarchal society have to stick together and have to form community defense because men won’t protecting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 03:58 PM
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“I’m pretty sure is a man” ☠️☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/26 05:35 PM
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I really think I agree when patriarchy is explained as a mixed hierarchy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 05:40 AM
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This is effectively the female drone pilots argument policing is an IMPERSONAL social institution which is trained to view society under constant threat If you put women in their the results wouldn’t be a whole lot different but because it’s “Men” leftists effectively are using the same rhetoric as thinking “feminist” governments would be any less brutal than “normal” governments
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 06:34 PM
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I agree feminists can *sometimes want to claim a male centric approach is unnecessary but then absolve themselves of responsibility for harms against men by saying bad feminists are outliers or not even feminists even playing Schrödingers patriarchy saying it’s patriarchal even if like 39 percent of the feminist movement would agree Versions of feminism can absolutely reproduce patriarchy just like how some versions of socialism can intentionally or unintentionally aid capitalism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 05:09 PM
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I have seen the link that patriarchy was a byproduct of a war logic society a defense system to protect women ultimately restricting them while patriarchs abuse male disposability and kill men Any books going into the history! I know the creation of patriarchy but would love to know more
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 05:02 PM
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So those who understand the link between patriarchal authority in the household militarism and the state don’t exist? My brother in Christ David Graeber talks about this and his essay the bully’s pulpit has been quoted in this sub There’s even these essays by chiara bottici In fact some of her arguments against Marxism can be appropriated to critique the reductive narrative the left gives men https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/chiara-bottici-anarchism-and-feminism-toward-a-happy-marriage
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 07:37 AM
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What about anarchist feminists then? 🤔
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/26 07:21 AM
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From the little I’ve seen man talks actually gives good advice but leafs sections of the left thinks feminism monopolises useful gender analysis
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 05:52 AM
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☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 05:43 AM
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Is she the favourite whipping girl of this sub 🥺😭☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 03:54 AM
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I completely agree Most media about abuse centers women’s victimhood and don’t go into the details about abused males I’ve even seen subtle apologetics for proven abusers and false accusers saying they do it out of “fear” or in quotes from the sex module “need for assistance” you can’t make this stuff up 🙂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 03:01 AM
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But yes some “feminism’s” have a your turn my turn conception of justice or think sexism is equivalent to racism or classism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 02:19 AM
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You think there is one singular feminism? I criticize the left for how reductive they are with males and masculinity I don’t like these black and white notions where feminism is all bad and evil. It’s the opposite of how certain strands of the left treat feminism as above criticism and completely perfect and how it deals with men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 02:18 AM
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Like yea I get how some feminists can be puritanical and dogmatic I would like you to expand on this criticism further
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 08:54 AM
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*Patriarchy as one of the oldest systems not feminism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 03:17 AM
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Like I know yall have legit criticisms some that I actually think are useful but to erase feminism And how it links with other leftist movements and how it is one of our base systems for society would be heretical
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 03:15 AM
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Source on this? I’m genuinely curious I do know there was a feminist group in either Spain or some other European country that tried to stop a male dv shelter or something to that effect
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 05:27 PM
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Thank you ✊🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 03:45 PM
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Spain is a third world country? Capitalism isn’t on the side of women or anyone really Just the rich
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 03:20 PM
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It’s like being homophobic in Gaza In such countries feminism won’t be perfect to expect such purity when they want basic rights is not my place as a westerner
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 03:13 PM
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I do agree that ideology is overrated but being exclusive is more permissible in more dire social and material conditions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 03:06 PM
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I feel like you are singularizing and narrowing what feminism is across all its diverse and competing strands
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 02:58 PM
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Sex liberation for a lot of left folks is only for queers women as “non men” folks
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 03:47 AM
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Amy works by reny Taylor? I have one of curries books and would love to get into the genre
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 02:50 AM
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Interesting 🧐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 08:42 AM
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To be fair they are sort of right but male disposability is a better angle especially when there’s no difference between a woman or a man getting bombed down…. They are both dead
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 07:27 AM
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I’ve had “academic” feminists call it infantilisation As if that’s the main problem
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 07:19 AM
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Absolutely 💯
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 12:45 AM
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I think we all are 😑
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/26 05:56 AM
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Everything is a paradox 🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/26 05:53 AM
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The left should almost stop reinforcing the manospheres existence The first person to platform these people were idiots
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/26 05:50 AM
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Happens in subreddits even on the far left
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/26 03:28 AM
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Maybe??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/26 12:21 AM
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Yea mist of the boys will be boys narrative in my lives experience is much more about funny shenanigans I can count one time irl it was excusing harassment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 11:46 PM
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Same feeling learning about male homelessness and how the terms toxic masculinity or rape culture originated from
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 08:19 PM
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Agreed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 04:21 PM
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Their is a very interesting book with a similar ring to that last sentence 🧐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/26 01:58 PM
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It’s not even that I disagree with those paradigms but folks can make them EVERYTHING in a way that’s totalising and reductive
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/26 08:52 PM
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Or how some neurotypicals treat autistic youth as problems to “treat” when perhaps the “cure” was worse then the problem and their wasn’t really that much wrong in the first place
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/26 07:25 AM
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What like folks and their “unlearning the patriarchy process” can be no different to gay conversion “therapy”? Is that what you’re getting at? Some people can take it in a very religious sense?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/26 07:23 AM
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Some feminists view surrogacy in general as bad and equivalent to viewing women as birthing objects (not saying this is my view I’m personally fine with it if voluntary)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/26 05:11 PM
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Yea that does exist Some do it and have some weird superiority complex over other men And some self flagellate Not even for women just out of low self esteem or hate
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/26 10:08 AM
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Sometimes I truly wonder how popular he actually, I only know one person who follows him I mostly hear about him from left wingers It’s like they want him to exist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 10:37 AM
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Learning becomes fully Realised When one can teach themselves and learn about The world by experience It isn’t about dictating ideology or Control but giving the tools for true freedom 💙🩵
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 10:17 AM
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I want children who can educate themselves
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 10:11 AM
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Honestly the main feminist sub called me controlled opposition lmao Guess there’s no pleasing everyone I would say I am now sympathetic to men them most especially going through my own struggles
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 03:02 PM
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Have high standards it’s offensive have low standards “well you are meant to be your own man!” Sometimes even I get tired My standards are my standards and that’s that If you think I have some obligation to find someone romantically or sexually attractive because of historical oppression or the pressures of patriarchy then THEY are the entitled ones No one questions my taste 💙🖌️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 11:29 AM
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Honestly I wouldn’t proactively date most women because I’m a bit of a snob It’s too tiring and my interests are very fixed The commute to university is far away so it tires me out So does neurotypical Norms They are great friends and they are fun convos but I haven’t met many I would proactively date Even my older male friends some of Them I am moving away from cause of offend interests (politics, music, mental conditions) vs folks secluding themselves into their work lives
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 11:26 AM
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Breadtube and its consequences
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 07:40 AM
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Jessica Valenti? I actually own one of her books It’s weird to put her in the same sentence as breadtubers
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 05:48 AM
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Then you are even worse than a Marxist, you are the system in question 🙃✌🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 02:54 AM
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And they are still smarter than whatever ideology you hold If this is coming From a Marxist then you are really one to talk 🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 02:40 AM
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Really CGP Grey? Well from the limited info I have read on an article understanding patriarchy it was cool but I haven’t fully tackled her major books
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 12:59 AM
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Why? It’s always good to think be informed and explore, I talk with and explore a lot of off kilter perspectives
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 03:31 PM
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Any of what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 03:20 PM
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I agree there are plenty of people using the cultural atmosphere to just be assholes shielding themselves as a part of the “oppressed group” and then there are genuine hurt people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:36 PM
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Either way I may have to check him out more I agree with his critique of reeves In fact I found an interesting article https://empoweredsocialjustice.wordpress.com/2024/03/06/the-crisis-of-men-and-how-my-blackness-helped-me-to-relate-to-mens-issues/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:34 PM
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I’m saying he does some of the things I bemoan about left wingers generally (technically I’m post left but 🙃)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:15 PM
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Otherwise it turns into a silo of negativity Granted some of his criticisms are fine and occur even amongst radicals I agree that Richard reeves from the look of it is milquetoast and I don’t like his proposals but it does the opposite of menslib where it paints it all bad The good and the bad should Bè acknowledged før recognition and growth
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 11:58 AM
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Not saying all the time but one of my criticisms is that left wingers can over focus on deconstruction and criticism and it can make things look all bad This goes for many tendencies even outside gender politics
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 11:54 AM
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Why is criticism bad faith? Critique is how we grow? I agree with him when he says that male advocacy is often tip toed around and brought back into womens struggles to not upset progressives
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 11:50 AM
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He brings good info but sometimes with MRA’s they can get on a bit of a tangent about feminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 11:47 AM
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No it isn’t an extreme form of that is ancaps Libertarians want private government Anarchists want to abolish all laws and rules
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 11:45 AM
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Separate bad from good Shitty people can make good points It’s why I would read Foucault
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 10:07 AM
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By seeing myself in these discourses theories and scenarios I developed MORE Empathy Otherwise I would still be abstractifying shit rather than actually thinking Alot of folks who “unlearn” and self reflect aren’t thinking they are just unloading new dogma Granted I wonder is some of the ideas are actually tested (I’ve tried with mixed results) in the real world I get where you are coming from Hearing lonely men are violent or hhomeless men abuse drugs and leach in “Academia” while poor women do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 10:05 AM
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I don’t but they can have good ideas Separate art from artist ya know?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 08:06 AM
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The fact that Beauvoir was a p*do and Lerner was a slavery apologist is exactly why folks should kill their heroes I agree that feminists can be more critical of certain cherished figures I know folks who Still think dworkin and solanas had useful ideas I heavily wonder if all their nonsense (especially Solanis) is necessary or it’s a cover for bigotry
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 08:02 AM
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Most thinkers in history were problematic in some way Leftist darling Chomsky has been outed in The files
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 07:55 AM
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It might just be so I like to get opinions from multiple viewpoints and even the folks on the intersectional women’s sub said she had racist views against black men I’ve talked to Black women im Brazil who view black men as micro patriarchs causing all the problems (I’m ñøt Brazilian but I’m just speaking from experience, being diaspora I wonder what gender relations are like globally between black men and women)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 07:30 AM
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No worries ✊🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 07:24 AM
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Democracy is “the polity form” Check out these https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/william-gillis-the-abolition-of-rulership-or-the-rule-of-all-over-all https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/shawn-p-wilbur-anarchy-and-democracy-examining-the-divide https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/shawn-p-wilbur-antinomies-of-democracy https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/crimethinc-beyond-democracy https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-debunking-democracy (Added more) https://theanar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 07:19 AM
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Mutualism is anti democracy In fact the neo Proudhonian Strands are probably the most anti democratic Mutualism is a catch all for non communist anarchism It isn’t coop anarchism with vouchers and markets
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 07:08 AM
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There are a few incels in hiding There were still interesting responses that I will have to ponder myself
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 06:59 AM
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I’ve seen excuses of sexism but this could equally be true for stem subjects Two things can be true at once sometimes comes with inconveniences
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 05:54 AM
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Nor will increasing women’s agency magically make them “choose” such jobs, men being in dangerous jobs may have first been caused by infantilisation but it can assume new meanings if women don’t voluntarily Choose to enter them, this wouldn’t be keeping patriarchy either but more keeping a vestige of it which has outlived its patriarchal character It would just be women benefiting themselves That’s why men need to take it into their own hands and fight these systems of suffering for themselves a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 05:53 AM
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Yea admittedly That “agency” isn’t always put to good ends
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 05:49 AM
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Any proof that bell hooks influences institutions rather than sociology majors and breadtubers?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 05:33 AM
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Kill your heroes Every historical figure and theory writer is or will be “problematic” at some point You could do the same for every thinker They do the same for Marx and Proudhon omitting the fact that most white men where either antisemetic or misogynistic back then Not defending her but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water These people are imperfect flawed humans like everyone else
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 05:27 AM
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Interesting cause anarchists always reccomend her to beginners about what a fictional anarchist society might be like I’n kind some more knowledgeable folks call Her overrated effectively Showcasing a democracy instead of anarchy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 05:24 AM
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Yes I know about Beauvoir 🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 03:42 AM
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Similiar to Marxism no matter how amoral and impersonal the critique is it’s always difficult to separate it from underlying moral judgments
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 01:33 AM
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Then let’s work to end the draft rather than throwing more bodies as cannon fodder
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 01:28 AM
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Relationships with her Students!!??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:55 AM
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This is as dogmatic as saying “there is no good men anymore” or that “all men are trash”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:09 AM
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I guess the Mods ban if most of the time but I still have my disagreements for sample putting women in the draft for “equality”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:05 AM
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Very interesting analysis!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:03 AM
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True
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:01 AM
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It doesn’t help that a lot of theory is intellectual circle jerking, people being pretentious and thinking for the sake of it beyond actually practicality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 10:11 PM
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Though it is troubling that she is the ONLY theorist some feminists recommend to men, like out of ALL the feminist thinkers just “ONE” 😅🙂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 10:08 PM
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Have MRA’s and male advocates criticized the right wingers in their movement?🧐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 10:04 PM
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I think I commented in the front comments I was only allowed to respond and I broke the rule I still have chats with the mods they have given me good recs I love Gerda Lerner’s The Creation of Patriarchy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 10:00 PM
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Patriarchy arguably can base itself on a demonized group of violent savage men which women need to be “protected” (In reality controlled) from
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 09:56 PM
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I think I have came to disagree It sucked at first but I think personalizing it gives a degree of empathy, humility and intelligence than treating Ït abstractly ÈVÈR will
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 09:52 PM
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Any of hers tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 09:47 PM
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Was this is “The Man-Not”? Cause I own a copy (leaving the reading for later)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 09:43 PM
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Hooks or Crenshaw?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 09:04 PM
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To be fair billionaires are capitalist pigs That have hurt millions let alone billions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 02:49 PM
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Funnily enough white men experience more brutality from police then black women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 02:30 PM
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Not everyone learns by reading Some learn by interacting, debating, listening etc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 06:39 AM
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Well there’s a good kind of radicalism and a bad kind of radicalism It seems we have chosen the later
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 06:28 AM
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And I’m like meant to blame myself for my loneliness and “self reflect” these people don’t think men can stifle for material reasons It’s either we blame men or we blame women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 06:21 AM
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My severe ocd came at a terrible cultural time that I could not have prepared for before hand
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 06:12 AM
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I was wondering, I think there should be more discourse on social media and how to curb it It seems to strengthen the gender war And people are living in different realities with different algorithms The problem isn’t that it’s online but it follows me even when I go outside with friends or am in university On every side people rationalise away evidence and can’t see other people’s pain Some others don’t know how Much the suicide discourse or the “lonely men are violence and burdens on women” di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 06:10 AM
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I just like depth and need a wide range of space to explain myself (not autistic however)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 05:59 AM
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Every movement especially headed by liberals always has corrupt leaders Same happened with BLM
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 05:56 AM
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Leftist wall of text Leftists aren’t known for being concise
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 05:38 AM
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I more just think it’s a funny joke
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 10:22 AM
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Blindly follow the slurs?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 10:08 AM
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To be fair more men should practice hygiene, especially with washing their hands an their ..;.., you know 🙃
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 08:04 AM
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Capitalism isn’t just the elites however It’s like thinking patriarchies were just about patriarchs In many cultures still there is patriarchy even in the home with a male father as head Same for capitalism with petty bourgeois and small time capitalists such as landlords I get what you mean in that some leftists can be dogmatic and circle EVERY problem back to (insert bad system (western civilisation, capitalism, racism, patriarchy, heteronormativity etc) in a way that’s reductive An example is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 05:56 AM
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I agree marriage is a form of dependence and privileges men It couldn’t exist without legal order and perverts love
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 05:39 AM
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What is a “shadow daddy” may I ask?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 03:37 AM
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What’s wrong with the metoo movement? It simply brought a voice to abuse survivors??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 02:54 AM
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The left wants to put guys into a new box it’s pathetic and they can do better when it comes to men and masculinity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 01:54 PM
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If doesn’t mean literally believe all women at instinct but to take them more seriously then we did before Obviously use our brains but this came from a culture where women were and still are dismissed and not listened to
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 01:48 PM
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People should just be who they are no need for programmatic and normative stuff People don’t fit into boxes and there is no clean masculinity or femininity out there, good things have there toxic parts Focus on good parenting, youth liberation and empowerment and changing socialisation through changing how schools, family and community functions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 01:46 PM
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This is a strawman
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 01:38 PM
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I don’t think deceit works Just be upfront
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 01:37 PM
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Idk why we make blueprints for mean that don’t involve who men want to be and their own desires themselves
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 12:47 PM
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Well yea she can be a bit of a man hater
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 02:46 PM
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Never make a critique you aren’t willing to hold yourself Too many folks calling themselves “one of the good ones” putting down other guys for ego and not giving themselves the same criticism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 05:33 AM
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I don’t have much in common with authoritarians or governmentalists The left is a vague category and obscures the various differences in it that are irreconcilable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 04:22 AM
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Left unity is overrated tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/26 01:00 PM
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Agreed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/26 12:59 PM
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Idk but the left went on a collective rampage over him and they made his popularity worse imo
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/26 07:05 AM
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☠️☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/26 04:40 AM
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It’s performative leftism, I’m sorry calling someone “alright” isn’t oppression
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/26 01:00 AM
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Yea I do think some of the strains of feminism currently are puritanical, dogmatic and more are trying to get men to be a certain way rather than asking men what they want to be Also labels are useless debating with so lang different factions is proving to me that they don’t help you understand the world It’s as simple as what and who helps an who doesn’t
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/26 12:58 AM
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Yes also read “The taboos that built you” By Kyree anara velathis Or Hiding your humanity:Disgust Shame and the law by Martha Naussbam
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/26 07:12 AM
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☠️☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 02:10 PM
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I’m so tired but I realise these things My lived experience can’t fit in the positive masculinity model of menslib and it would push me into silence I’m so hide and defeated by realising this I see friends making arguments I never would and I don’t even have the energy to debate them anymore 🥺
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 12:21 AM
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Maybe I agree 🤔
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/26 08:09 PM
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You’re spot on!! I wonder if it’s just what Tommy curry calls “intersectional essentialism” I’ve always found it difficult to square treating women as individuals but trying to treat men as a collective unit that demands collective responsibility and guilt as an individualistic have never understood why individualists think this way on the left I never understand why so many folks say that we are in a postmodern society where norms are in flux but then think patriarchy I like some static thing w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 01:56 AM
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What do you mean by sociological essentialism I am starting to get what you mean and some of your arguments here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 12:01 AM
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I am in a politically uncertain state I need to do more research
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/26 11:58 PM
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Well for me it’s binary thinking There is no system that doesn’t have problems Also it can be directed at folks who need different things
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/26 08:14 PM
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Well who really is? 🙃
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/26 07:53 PM
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Currently I am annoyed about the apologetics and lack of accountability of some of My “allies” 🙂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/26 07:25 AM
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I’m not a radfem but an anarcho feminist, who likes Marxist feminism and poststructuralist feminism I am also a mensliberationist who is more sympathetic then most to the progressive sections of the MRA movement and Kudos, yall actually taught me some and honestly I think some of your criticisms and concerns have weight But i criticise some of the conclusion as well as not being truly self defining and having g the opposite problems that feminist spaces have with men whether you define men only …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 09:44 PM
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Also don’t forget I am banned from most major feminist spaces besides menslib, radical feminism amd askfeministmen I still talk to one of the mods of askfeminists and share information
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 05:02 PM
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Well I did have a conversation with an Anarcha feminist I know irl about it I haven’t responded because I’m prepping a long response I did mention to a make comrade of mine that centering the fact that men are the agents are harm produced the same problems as “female drone pilots” as if they can internalise patriarchal logics to themselves they can internalise the violent logic of men against men to men I wonder if focusing on men as perpetrators obscures the fact that BOTH men and women may vie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 05:00 PM
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Interesting I didn’t know that!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 04:53 PM
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I’ll respond to this later I’m a bit tired my apologies
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 04:52 PM
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Yea authority and power aren’t “patriarchal” but power, authority and class first took a patriarchal hull Women can also produce authoritarian and absolutist dynamics as class and authority aren’t centralized in males or reduced to patriarchality Patriarchy was just the first form it assumed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 04:31 PM
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“The perpetrators are men” “One possible answer is that men constitute the majority of perpetrators of violence against both men and women. That, it might be said, is why the call to end violence, are addressed to men. Violence, it might be said, is a male problem, even if the victims are both male and female. But one problem with this response is that the call is for an end of violence against women, rather than for an end to violence by men. Its focus is on the victim and not the perpetrator. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/26 10:43 PM
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I’m not saying you don’t struggle I’m just giving historical context The patriarchy now is not the patriarchy of Athens I’m just saying that it’s not quite an apex fallacy (not to invalidate the real struggles that everyday men go through)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/26 02:09 AM
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I’ve seen folks blame mothers killing children as “the pressures of patriarchal society” as a feminist… I’m not quite sure I buy this one tbh it sounds like a cope
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 10:22 PM
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Also hierarchies can still work informally, one doesn’t need formalised power to be socially recognised as above another Yea I agree that those are valid concerns but it’s why I think of patriarchy as a mixed hierarchy generally (And this depends, some patriarchies were effectively slavery for women) Power isn’t just centralised in institutions of religion and government The seed of many of these institutions was the patriarchal family with the father as the head Patriarchy even functions at the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 10:17 PM
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Yea I already know this belief I reject both thinking of patriarchy as an Apex fallacy and I also reject thinking of it as totalising I completely agree that Men in power don’t inherently help or support men but biases for people like them or even against women still exist And there is still the knowledge problem of privilege which filters all the way down https://c4ss.org/content/21320 In my stupid opinion (I may be wrong) but men at the top got absolute privileges while other men only got smal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 09:51 PM
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How?? For most of recorded human history men have been in positions of power They controlled female sexuality, forced them into arranged marriages, viewed them as commodities to be bought and sold in marriages and forced them into relations of dependants to men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 09:32 PM
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Well you talked about school and work punishing people for not falling inline and I’m saying that those institutions are up for criticism in how they enforce male gender roles and produce conformity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 06:16 PM
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It’s seen as different because men are an oppressor class why black folk are an oppressed class Not saying I agree with this Iogic but that’s where the disconnect happens
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 06:14 PM
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If I get shot it really doesn’t mean much more to me that I get shot by a man or a woman Also it’s really poor as a look in a discussion about men’s pain to centre men’s misdeeds as a sort of argumentative quip It’s as useful as talking about how slur shaming when young is predominantly enforced by mothers It’s just victim blaming with extra steps It also centres the wrong questions, it leaves it at the very stupid “because men did it duh” and doesn’t really investigate men as VICTIMS, “why do m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 05:42 AM
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Well it’s like thinking that all lives matter means that white lives don’t matter It’s just recognition that women have something to contribute as well on the same grounds as men It can change behaviour but I reckon one on compassion, justice and care for our felllw humans is better I do understand the shame aspect and I do face it myself but I think these aren’t things to accept but to push through and work around
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 02:16 AM
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I’m not saying you shouldn’t apply these but I agree to think critical because theories are generalisations written by humans They are not sacred scripture and can be wrong especially for local scenarios Someone telling me to be less assertive to “take up less space” may actually by bad in my instance as someone who has anxiety anyways
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 02:08 AM
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That’s why the reformation or “abolition” of coercive and authoritarian institutions should be par for the course for the issues of every male 🤧🧐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 01:28 AM
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Why should individuals have expectations given to them by a political model? Who has the right to give you expectations? And why not reject them? I’m not sure I agree that academia is like that, maybe sometimes but alot of it focuses on the socio construction of truth and how even the terms women and man are subject to change across time and space I don’t want to do the big but it depends on the kind of feminism Plenty of feminism wants revenge but a lot of feminism simply wants greater recognit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 01:26 AM
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Guys should just be who they actually are rather than conforming to models
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 01:09 AM
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It’s not healthy to hate yourself man Your life is infinitely more important than what political models say about you Others peoples opinions are just that What matters is what you do not how you are perceived
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 01:09 AM
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When you say nuance, what sort of nuance do you want more acknowledged and for whom? To be fair a lot of modern day feminism embraces postmodern logics so it should fit fine with their being no universal truths I’ve done gender studies and they would admit that some workplaces discriminate against men but because these jobs are seen as feminine and a “women’s task” overall these jobs would do worse than masculine coded jobs I would say the best of most leftist tendencies shouldn’t moralise I agr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 12:19 AM
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My phone has little storage but I’ll see
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 07:20 PM
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It’s not available in my country..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 06:48 PM
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I guess but doesn’t this invalidate all gender issues? Even the ones of men, some of the left falls into class reductionism for men’s issues, I would be vary of doing the same for women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 06:35 PM
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They often acknowledge it but to play fair sometimes it is de gendered if seen as a fault of patriarchy why we don’t take it seriously as we infantilise women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 06:34 PM
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I do agree with this, sexism isn’t black and white and definitely not a one way street, men can be affected by sexism beyond the patriarchy “hurting men too”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 06:33 PM
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4B is terfy however the misogyny in South Korea is off the charts bad 🤧
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 06:29 PM
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To be fair manspreading is a wider analogy for a problem that I find quite saddening, that girls get socialised into passiveness and meakness, in terms of walking and running their gate is more narrow than boys as it is seen as “feminine” no take up less space, to be more reserved and contained Yes I know sometimes it can feel cringe when people become self conscious of how they sit but it refers to a real sociological dynamic where women and girls take up less space and walk in ways that are le…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 06:00 PM
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It’s not healthy to hate yourself, everyone whether they admit it or not is privileged in some way or another
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 05:53 PM
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When you say “feminism” are you talking about corporate and girlboss feminism? There are plenty of anti capitalist feminist trends
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 01:02 AM
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Isn’t this a strawman, most people who practice intersectionality know that class distorts the picture
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/26 09:51 AM
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Yea I’ve heard similiar I’ve also heard gangs gave chivalry codes where they target males and spare females
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 03:46 PM
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I think it’s a symptom of a larger problem with individualism and atomization
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 02:55 PM
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No but 99%?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 12:20 PM
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Yea I feel that alot of dating especially online is superficial I think what goes unsaid is that the way dating goes about online or off often self selects for and against certain types of folks Frankly I’m not much of a fan of online let alone online dating and that kind of fast food style intimacy that often happens on apps isn’t my style of the style of a lot of the people close to me Dating should be seen in terms of compatibility and incompatibility Most apps promote superficial confections…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 11:52 AM
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Fair enough but what about other conditions like adhd, OCD, Schizophrenia etc? I think the problem is when people think dating preferences are an objective evaluation of personal character and worth so therefore men who struggle with dating or with socialisation in general are bad people rather than simply being incompatible with certain types of folks Also there are things that men do care about that women don’t Being fat as a women would hurt more than being fat as a man and there are still co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 11:43 AM
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Is there any analysis on why men are the victims of homicide and other kinds of violence more? Are they seen as acceptable targets? Are they put in positions to be recipients of violence more? Etc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 11:25 AM
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Yea I’ve definitely seen this where men are objectified as ATMs in relationships What makes autistics compared to any other group struggle with dating? I’m unsure why autistic men are single as out in conversations about dating I also wonder whether pressures to be a provider may clash with workplace status and achievement as men may have an extra incentive to value workplace productivity more or atleast to out earn their female counterparts
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 11:16 AM
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What does this graphic mean by transactional affection? What does it mean by the dating app statistics? I’m not sure about the wartime statistics for deaths, does one have a source ? Also I’m not sure if the loneliness epidemic mostly effects men it depends how’s it’s defined and I’ve heard opinions and stats all over the place but I’ve heard it’s more of a general loneliness epidemic (not to take away empathy for men however) I guess the man vs bear stuff is interesting that folks still talk ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 10:38 AM
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Doesn’t the prejudice matter more then whether or not feminism is perpetuating it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 08:22 AM
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Feminism holds contradictory attitudes? What do you mean by this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 08:07 AM
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Don’t the term “gender critical” signify terf stuff?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 05:20 AM
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Explain what you mean regarding r*pe culture as a term?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 03:27 PM
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Fair enough I guess, those terms do have a purpose even if emotional labour can be misused as a term by online folks who think defending an argument is “labour” lmao
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 03:23 PM
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When you say every issue is full of pr sounding hr language? What are you referring to?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 02:28 PM
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I think it’s because the world is becoming less and less rational
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 12:27 PM
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Huh?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 05:43 AM
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To be fair most people in most ideologies and movements don’t read theory, it Would be like judging socialists on how to the book they are with Marx If surprises me personally the lack of theory male feminists have read and I’m not an expert either but some folks really do just vibe their political “opinions” out
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/26 05:43 AM
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Huh? Is there proof it’s about lonely women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 08:59 AM
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I. I somewhat agree that these things can occur on the left Wdym by intrinsic worth? I’m not sure what you are getting at?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 08:57 AM
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Men do say horrific stuff, we have to keep that in mind, sometimes when people say “men don’t do that or this” they are just talking about themselves or the men they “know” (atleast we hope) but there are men who say that stuff
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 08:53 AM
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Yea I have seen alot of “the loneliness crisis is natural selection” arguments, I will admit that it’s bad
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 08:46 AM
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Explain how it is right wing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 08:44 AM
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May you explain what you meant?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 07:09 AM
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OCD, autism, ADHD, schizophrenia, bipolar etc Pretty much neurodiversity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 09:42 PM
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I’m not sure how much this is true but for my personal life it’s definitely true both in terms of politics and disability
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 01:06 PM
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It’s because everyone is interconnected I feel like people are very guarded about socialization and social media has made it worse Social media has produced more barriers to deep friendships not less
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 12:33 PM
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Someone who opposes all authority and hierarchy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/26 03:56 PM
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Not a Marxist but an anarchist, what’s bad about being against liberalism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/26 11:31 AM
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☠️☠️☠️
/r/EverydayMisandry11/02/26 07:50 AM
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Well I would agree with that I’m not sure what’s the problem?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 01:51 PM
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Everyone is always so extreme..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 01:36 PM
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I’m really confused? I’m forced to adopt egalitarian? When I already aim for egalitarianism? I just don’t conceive of it as being against feminism It depends how you are defining because every definition of everything seems to be in flux I do agree that it is too common for feminism at large to either be apathetic to men or not enough
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 01:33 PM
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Honestly who cares about labels tbh, they often act as a block If one needed feminism to teach them to help people they were either not very good people or too ideological Helping people is good because helping people is good 😊
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 12:55 PM
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Huh? Why is everyone so fragile, honest to God
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 12:51 PM
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Are you serious? You can’t essentialise what self interest entails I can promote whatever I want
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 12:44 PM
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Self interest isn’t inherently in opposition to helping others
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 12:38 PM
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Lmao
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 12:33 PM
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It’s common everywhere, I suspect it’s a common problem where no one liked to take ownership of a problem and everyone likes thinking the problem is some outside other and pushes it away, problems being closed to home is more uncomfortable for every ideology and movement
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 09:37 AM
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Too many folks see gay men and queer men fuck even “good men” as “women-lite” To reduce good qualities to something outside of one’s identity is offensive
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 07:23 AM
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I really don’t wanna have to quote the og male feminist Engels about How changing the words doesn’t change the things themselves…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 07:21 AM
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At the point that someone on one of the feminist subs used the term “andropessimism” even I at this point have to concede misandry People are so scared of words they will invent new concepts to dodge around it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 07:20 AM
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No matter how you establish the two :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/26 02:27 PM
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There is no Purity without DANGER
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/26 02:26 PM
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Yes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/26 12:48 AM
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Why am I not “serious” you sound like a conservative and a bigot
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 08:51 AM
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Insecure males will fall into misogyny, overconfident males will fall into misogyny
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 08:08 AM
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Technically he’s “post left” but you get the drift
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 08:01 AM
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lot of the sex negative strands that said the ways guys have sex is “dominance” Just read this essay 😓😵‍💫 https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/william-gillis-sexual-attraction-should-we-drag-it-out-back-shoot-it-dead-stake-it-salt-it-and In another essay he compared porn to minstrel shows
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 08:01 AM
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That is true for me as well, I think my dating options are actually quite narrow in actuality even if I’m technically open to a lot of folks My friendships end up being neurodivergent or political folks
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 07:46 AM
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Do they find you like that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 07:44 AM
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Wdym? I’m unsure what this implies What point are you referring to The generality one?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 07:39 AM
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I’ve seen schools be related to concentration camps for children by bob black And “feminist” arguments by William Gillis calling sexuality thoughtless violence and using like fucking fucking mathematics and complexity theory for that nonsense saying puritans have a point Anti racist arguments which assume racism to be ever present and you always have to be on the lookout for it Ives seen arguments which treat patriarchy and the state as black pandoras boxes which we will as a society always have…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 07:37 AM
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Leftists defend a lot of rage bait lines about white folks, cops, men, the west heck even relating parent child hierarchies and their defense to the defenses of slavery And they argue to death the details of these arguments like racism against white people doesn’t exist or all cops are bastards or man versus bear with “intent” disregarding any impact or only caring about impact in one direction
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 07:33 AM
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Some of these epistemologies have criticisms of the scientific method or are on the far end of postmodern or poststructuralist thought? Which has positives and negatives? It views power through discourse and how to change it as through discourse
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 07:27 AM
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Give me an example of this elusive “trans ideology”?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 07:13 AM
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Wdym by “trans ideology” it sounds pretty terfy and conservative? No?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 04:38 AM
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Obviously I would I’ve experienced it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 04:10 AM
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It walls be interesting to learn about safe havens Most people’s impromptu response is to simply yell deadbeats
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 03:48 AM
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Well no ideology is perfect but I become skeptical if it’s prescriptions also have side effects like one can’t have everything How do I not know that “cultivating better male friendships” has The inverse effect of spending less time with your female partner which will also be “men bad” in the future It’s the same with anarchism for me I don’t like reducing the world to hierarchy” or “domination” and make room for social problems to exist externally of that almost as a safeguard, what happens if …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/26 08:42 PM
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It’s just a copout can’t folks do what they expect allies to do and learn and “do better” proverbially?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/26 08:12 PM
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It’s just annoying putting in energy and internalising that rhetoric just to realise our “enlightened” leftists are also lonely, everything they critique Ifor left wing spaces I wonder how much undercover benevolent sexism is happening Also what makes arguments of patriarchy backfiring work is interconnectivity, it seems odd they wouldn’t think loneliness would have an effect on them outside of men “obviously” violent In all the rhetoric about the superiority of left wing men and the sisterhood …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/26 09:14 AM
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I hate the excuses that some people make that it’s “online” but I know two people who believe “she has some useful ideas” and until I properly read and verify I just have to play along
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/26 08:02 AM
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No because I’m not a generality I despise arrogance and too many feminists come off as arrogant And I’m not saying I don’t sometimes do Thea same thing people aren’t perfect but one’s ability to internalise can probably lead to you understanding what they are doing as you have done it before In some sense I have done everything I will ever critique whether it is misogyny, self mutilation, being one of the good ones, etc Etc I atleast will acknowledge it as I have made mistakes before (which is o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 04:27 PM
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My statement?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 04:24 PM
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No I am not I like contributing there in comments and I wish I could post but you need to have like an article Feminism is a good lens but people forget that all these things are just theories not sacred dogma you hold onto forever If toxic masculinity as a concept isn’t working then perhaps we were “wrong” and should try a different approach
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 03:25 PM
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These people still put themselves above the ambiguous bad man and I despise that Even if in reality it didn’t exist they would invent him and almost assume his existence “um yea I’m sayer somewhere there’s “that guy” that did “insert bad thing”” this is such a terrible argument on “self reflection” that while sometimes useful it can become a dogma where in reality, personal experience or studies don’t conform to narratives they can always construct a fictional bad man to justify themselves and p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 03:23 PM
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Sorry yall I want write something but I feel very negative and descending into that nihilistic and existential state Some self deprecation is done as a way of reducing ego but for some folks who are shy or not that confident/neurodivergent or disabled it can depress me being treated as a generality And any pain you experience is justified because of “some man” the man doesn’t even have to exist sometimes they hypothesise it as an assumption and dogma Sometimes I wonder if they need that outcast …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 12:32 PM
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He’s but I’m not conceding that argument considering ai misogyny is a problem that’s taken seriously
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/26 01:18 PM
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Thank you 🙏🏿🤘🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 04:10 PM
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In multiple ways, and it turns black folk into cartoon characters, characters that those who don’t fit the stereotype get judged by
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 04:05 PM
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As a black male I would love to add my own lived experience but I have to snooze yall 🥱😴
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 03:57 PM
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Since I’m tired and need to sleep I am copy and pasting the responses I got from the ask feminist men sub It’s always good to hear different perspectives (for example alot of feminists consider menslib as misogynists it’s shuffle define to make things about them Hope k can expand on some of theses discussions but I need to sleep lmao 😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 03:26 PM
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I’m a bit tired? Burnt out and sleepy so I’m gonna leave this resource so I can potentially come back to it https://www.alfiekohn.org/article/discipline-problem-solution/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 03:10 PM
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Oh ok
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 11:54 AM
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Guess I’m “one of the good ones”/s🥱🫣
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 08:12 AM
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As the folks say “homophobia ruined the DRIP of the 70s.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 08:04 AM
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I do?? I like to impress both but not in the same way
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 07:47 AM
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From my experience I love looking fly with other guys
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 07:46 AM
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Even then lower class men aren’t in a silo they can take in the masculinities or the masculine aspirations of elite ruling class bourgeois males
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 07:32 AM
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Ehh arguably men also have a tendency to be more rebellious and deviant (for good and bad) There are aspects of masculinity which can be both obedient and both anti authority I don’t like putttong masculinity in a box Even things like “toxic masculinity” the suppressing of emotions is argubaly a way that others can oppress men, to have them justify brutal labour People that supress pain are necessary if you are going to hurl them into the mines or prep them for war For the life of me why are lef…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 07:31 AM
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Oh quite a few leftists do recognise the link we shouldn’t be unfair but some leftists are dogmatic in their utilisation of intersectionality Being in the legal category of a child or a minority is also a factor of oppression and many of our grown ups on the left forget a lot of their stuff about schooling being unidirectional and being a bunch of facts taught at students when it comes to young boys They are a pack of hooligans to the left Frankly I have more faith in boys then most of the left
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 07:17 AM
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I’ve seen folks say for reasons of maleness being viewed as dangerous by cops is justified but for reasons of blackness it isn’t It’s a poor utilisation of intersectionality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 07:10 AM
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I wish men had more fashion options to be honest I have to wait for winter to start wearing coats But the stuff they sell is poor form
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 06:02 AM
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I think their fear does come from a concern for hurting those lower in social status and that is commendable As humans it’s good to think about others However to put an ideology above criticism only leads to protective and conservative mentalities Nothing new or creative arises, instead you get a lot of boring slop about boys not being able to label emotions or going to the gym instead of therapy Which is true!!! But not enough and it isn’t given the same care or complexity that women give their…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 12:31 AM
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Leftists want to rote learn their way into freedom lmao 🤣 No wonder so many of these theory heads get nowhere and they produce nonsense like ageism is a white thing (age based prejudices whether for elderly, the young and in between are probably some of the oldest prejudices and greatly precede western colonialism and the racial hierarchy that helped prop it up)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 12:25 AM
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Still haven’t gotten a response boys 😇
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 12:23 AM
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Menslib has problems but to say they are centre right is downright insulting especially when there are actual right wingers, misogynists and right wing MRAs lurking on this sub
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 12:22 AM
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Was this a response to me or karmaze?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 12:21 AM
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For what reasons? Is has its flaws (as I have stated but they aren’t inherently exclusive to menslib, this sub has its own and sometimes different flaws, everything has flaws anyways) but I think you guys can be overly harsh on it I still see misogyny on it as well as sentiments that may as well be said here Take the good and leave the bad like all things Wish I had more time to read the articles and give my sources
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 12:14 AM
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You get why tankies hate Anarkiddies!? 🥺☠️☠️😭
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:28 PM
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Hard agree 🥺
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:28 PM
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Honestly I don’t think there should be any “Bible”’on men as a social group at all tbh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:21 PM
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Also I now self Id as a post leftist because I feel like the left right dichotomy simplifies a more complex political reality Also it fits well with anarchy as its own unique thing I would love to cultivate an anarchist approach to men’s issues among other things I would also love to see where I can go with r/radicalocd and where anarchism in general will go with gender whether anarcha feminism, gender abolition and other topics such as imperialism and colonialism (especially prescient for my co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:18 PM
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Damn that sucks man I got banned off a few feminist subs but not even for ideology reasons, it was for breaking arbitrary rules that I don’t have the time or energy to read lmao 😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:16 PM
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Too much of the left wants you to “be yourself” while trying to tell you how to be and lying about it For the life of me who gives these folks the right to tell anyone how to be I heavily value autonomy and self determination Most leftists want none of that let alone for men and boys They approach h them as political objects or utilities for feminism That’s not a good message to send to folks you are “advocating towards” Adversely it is useful for boys to learn emotional literacy but it’s also i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:15 PM
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That’s because all the stuff about criminality having social causes still applies to men… obviously haha
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:58 PM
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Marx used the term “wage slavery”? 🧐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:57 PM
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This sub?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:57 PM
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I agree that society is more complicated than oppressor oppressed dynamics Ask a lot of leftists how they feel about the age old oppression of adult supremacy Parents have LEGAL RIGHTS to their children A lot of folks who believe in the literalism of that framework will o special pleading for youth liberation Obviously society is more complicated than power dynamics and not all power dynamics are made equal, they contain different ideological justifications, histories and material facts (childre…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:56 PM
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This runs contrary to what I hear that men don’t take women seriously? Don’t forget there are plenty of right wing men who mock the idea of feminism and even in leftist spaces men still speak longer and talk over women whether they realise it or not (I’m still working on this ass a neurodivergent who goes on long tangents lmao (especially about topics I am passionate about))
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:50 PM
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I agree I would love to get more knowledge in both feminism and men’s movements, sexuality/gender etc I feel like I would be alot more effective than the elder statesmen in breadtube. 🥱😴
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:48 PM
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As an egoist and an anarchist I have a fundamental value for self determination and owness, living life for someone else or some higher cause feels religious a denial of the self and can lead to destructive self sacrifice However acting for oneself can also be synonymous at times as acting with others I agree that certain feminists and mensliberationists can view it as a men’s allyship movement which reinforces that males don’t matter in their own right but AGAIN for their utility (this will be …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:46 PM
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It is concerning that only a small amount of mods contribute to posts for such a big subreddit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:41 PM
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Lefty subs in general can be very fragile and defensive Kid me not you can get banned on accessible anarchy for saying “fuck you” or “stupid”…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:40 PM
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Men and women are in different societal conditions (doesn’t justify some of the shit you see in left spaces but it’s a false equivalence) however it’s up to us to be one of the most radical movements on the left Labels are overrated what you do with them is what matters
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:39 PM
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I have criticism of critical theory and just approaching things (I.e feminism) in just a critical manner, it can get plain, it can develop into a silo of negativity and pessimism and as much as yall complain about men’s liberation defining itself by feminism this sub for all its bark STILL fails OFTEN to be self defining by too often defining themselves against feminism When really I think a more complicated narrative then “feminism bad” or “feminism sacred” is necessary just like for masculinit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:37 PM
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Examples?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:17 PM
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Granted I think a lot of most men’s political spaces lack energy and radicalism to me as an anarchist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:17 PM
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I can kind of get what you mean, the sub can fall into a negative silo of criticism and alot of the discourse feels boring to me, most young boys have probably already heard 80% of what they have to say, no innovation or creativity Toxic masculinity is overrated as a talking point as it splits a chaotic reality into a “good” and “bad masculinity when reality is never that simple and you don’t need that framework to tell someone not to be an asshole you just need to have good schools and good par…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:16 PM
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Why do folks treat bell hooks like the Bible it’s like how Màrxìšt’s treat their own theorists it’s getting annoying and if she’s the only person they can rely on to understand the experiences OF AN ENTIRE GENDER then she is frankly overrated 🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:06 PM
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Honestly I think it’s better if you guys criticise the left right political binary as arbitrary and a lot less essential than progressives want to admit 🥱🥺🫩
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:04 PM
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Wdym by “running out of things to complain about?” Are SA, DV, uneven domestic labour, sexism, the manosphere and the radicalisation of certain men, not being listened to and being objectified not valid issues?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 04:03 PM
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The blame goes to a product of intersectionality used poorly Some folks try hard to separate black and male from “black male” suffering
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:30 AM
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So a repeat of history? O remember someone on the main feminist sub saying g boys getting pissed about toxic masculinity discourse (and this is the problem with the generalizing nature of schooling), for guys who aren’t *that it will obviously come off as condescending and annoying Just like being lectured to by a bunch of white men as a black women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 03:54 AM
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It interacts badly with youth because Salome of them do see it that way They don’t see it as a two way relation but a teaching session to “potential troublemakers” *some of them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 02:17 AM
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Now it’s aimed at boys instead of “just” black males It’s tough on crime … but “pink”?whete roughhousing, play fighting, joking insults are gateway drugs for “toxic masculinity”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 12:51 AM
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Interesting to see the response this community has to this post Youth liberation is niche even amongst radicals and it’s a common trope for oppressor groups to justify their oppression by reffering to the group in question as “like children” perhaps questioning are justifications for controlling (even legally) children and whether are methods at keeping children “safe” actually create more abuse while narrowing their agency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 01:08 PM
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It’s why we should be critical of insular spaces and truly embrace the raw expanse of the world and peoples differences
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 12:52 PM
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Is it “I’m Not like the other guys “ sometimes they are involving themselves in that self debasement Like men are shit but turning that on themselves as a mark of “integrity” trust me I’ve been there before I’ve done a lot things in the “male book” self flagellation, superiority complexes, inferiority complexes, “toxic masculinity (atleast with ocd thoughts), as well as fragile masculinity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 12:15 PM
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I remember seeing a substack post by a person who has influenced me alot doctor Devon price who wrote about unmasking autism and is? Writing about “unlearning shame” talking about “the beautiful mess of being a man? Umm I don’t think it’s healthy to view oneself as a “beautiful mess” and I’m one that suffers with esteem issues myself but sometimes I wonder if self flaggellation is a way of coping with low elf esteem
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 11:58 AM
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This sounds like “parents rights” Is it a Christian conservative parents “right” to indoctrinate their child and stop them from going to school? Kinship doesn’t grant you special privilege That says more about are current society than anything else There have been societies with communal childrearing you know? I’m not saying there won’t be relations in which kin parents are the predominant caregivers but it’s not granted to them de jure and it’s about fitting the interests of everyone in a compl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 11:33 AM
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You can have responsibilities with rights Responsibilities just imply agency, expectation and accountability Rights only an allowance I’ve heard the anti gender abolition take from trans folks as well on similiar grounds There are already plenty of subtle and not so subtle abuses coming from parental authority To have this hit closer to home for this sub have you heard of “sons of feminism” some feminists who are not youth lib oriented can approach male childrearing terrible and view it no diffe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 11:24 AM
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Opposing the authority of parents over children and that kinship gives you legal rights over a child Similiar to women’s oppression and likely formed at similiar times historically They advocate for a restructuring of how we view school, parenting and argue that restrictions of queer youth are in part based on queer phobia and part based on infantilisation There is also the growth in helicopter parenting and authoritarian schooling has been a hallmark of youth oppression for ages More libertory …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 11:15 AM
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Is a difficult in a capitalist society which wants more labourers Self ownership doesn’t work for everyone Also why are your main concerns dating?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 11:02 AM
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Agreed but discourse does matter however
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 11:01 AM
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What’s not left wing about fighting for gender equality I’m personally not a fan of class reductionism, some patriarchies were literally equivalent to slavery for women and more abusive then boss worker relations now Why can’t we do both?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 11:00 AM
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Agreed it’s what a lack of youth liberation does to a mf Most discourses on men by the left aren’t empowering at all Frankly my way of thinking can’t be put neatly into any box so I guess I call myself a “radical menslib” lmao But no philosophy monopolises utility or truth Interacting with this sub has its moments but has actually been useful to get outside of my own bubbles
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 09:23 AM
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That one made me laugh lmao There was recently a post about “top ten good boys of 2025” 😭😭😹☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 09:21 AM
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Interesting, there can’t be any middle ground? And you are saying the men’s liberation movement wasn’t originally pro feminist? Why did it change? I hear conflicting histories about every ideology Feminists say MRAs are the reactionary backlash against feminism while I’ve heard some folks who are lwmras say whatever you make of the mra movement now the original positions in which MRAs split from the wider feminist movement ( child custody for fathers and dv) are things often embraced by the femi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 09:06 AM
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Yea that’s fair I should remember that Thank you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 08:56 AM
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I personally don’t get the leftists who want a Révolution but can’t handle “trauma dumping” from their boyfriend I think it’s the belief that women de jure are more vulnerable (which is often the case but should be taken as a dogma like anything) I’ve folks unironically defend mothers killing babies as “the pressures of patriarchy” don’t think they would be doing this if it was a man killing a child Also FD is an idiot and a racist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 05:11 AM
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Thought it only took like 12 hours for mod approval?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 03:43 AM
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I do thank this sub for not being nearly as punitive as the other subs Banned on a few feminist subs Youth rights And accessible anarchy Lmao 😅🥲
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/26 11:17 AM
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Would be interesting to see what youth rights subreddit has to say but they have banned me 🫩 As most social justice movements are focused on the oppressed youth boys are in a bit of a tight spot However their are plenty of issues that effect predominantly youth boys such as school to prison pipeline, physical abuse in homes and in school, falling grades, and treating them just as problems rather than complex beings who have both virtues and vices is not only an oversimplification but exposes a l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/26 11:14 AM
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Have you took any of these courses or interacted with any of these organisations?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/26 05:09 AM
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I know nothing is above critique but yall are still focused on feminism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/26 01:35 AM
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I’m not sure if this is true Have you seen the amount of right wing content and pick me content geared to men??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 10:26 PM
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I’ve seen the “not like the other men” trope explained as arising from “misogyny” or “past misogyny when they were girls ” Even as someone who believes in patriarchy theory people can be so dogmatic as to think everything has to conclude that Minorites have to split what makes their selfhood and identity and things like this don’t help minority men of any category (black men justifying being seen as violent because they are male while protesting it because they are black) 🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 03:43 AM
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That is true, rough sleeping is a worse form of homelessnesss
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 09:55 PM
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Maybe His influence has been undeniable though, atleast in culture
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 01:40 PM
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I would be very careful trying to singularize the feminist movement A lot of the arguments made here really on the observation (one that I think has some credence) that reality is a bit more complicated then power dichotomies Granted I know this runs into a “not all feminists” argument but critique can become a black and white silo where everything is viewed negative It’s a discredit to all the feminists that work hard to fight these things And critique is easy because reality is so wide someone…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 01:36 PM
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Well feminist theory like most left wing approaches is meant to be structural not personal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 01:27 PM
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Well… at this point maybe we need more “tough toxic men” 🫩🫩
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 11:54 AM
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Given the complexity of the world I wouldn’t be very surprised
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 11:26 AM
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That some stats can accidently favour the sorts of homelessness in which men are over represented
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 11:11 AM
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To be fair not all countries count homeless Populations the same way Forgive me if I’m wrong but in Japan it’s like north of 80% for men while in Australia (maybe America if I’m mistaken) it was like almost 60% That’s a major difference
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 10:50 AM
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The problem with alot of things is that it’s difficult ultimately to find an essential patriarchy or an essential feminism Plenty of feminists accidently hold on to or recreate identical belief systems to patriarchal ones just with different foundations There are feminists who say feminism is there to help and there are feminists who say men should just do it themselves and frame them helping men as burdening or “labour” It’s partly what motivated me at one point to go to. Menslib as they say (s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 10:48 AM
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Where did you get the three times more couches line? The stuff about having more networks is simply the individualistic nature that masculinity is purported to have taken in the modern era
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 10:44 AM
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Interesting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 10:43 AM
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He admitted in the end that they probably could have found some solution or way to make it work I’m like yea the man is fucking homeless and we are meant to be socialists It’s tense because he was a bit of an asshat but hey I wouldn’t be the happiest camper either if I was homeless 🤷🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 10:37 AM
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Yea I personally don’t like the rape is worse than murder line Which is why I do raise suspicions if vulnerability is accidently skewed to the ways in which women are vulnerable Being seen as a crazy or “dangerous” homeless man can put you as a target for violence A few anarchists I know had a situation where there was a homeless man at their function they had to kick him out, some reasons were possible like him acting abusive and being difficult to handle but some I found actually Very UNACCEPT…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 10:36 AM
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Sorry for your experience Are you perhaps questioning that women are more vulnerable when on the streets? Sometimes I question how vulnerability is quantified and if it biases the ways in which women are vulnerable ie (sa) over other forms
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 08:40 AM
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Same thing with violence generally often men are put into the POSITION as violence doers on behalf of the family or others In some cases the violence by proxy thing absolutely does apply
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 08:39 AM
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No that’s a good point Gangs are a good counter point that’s often forgotten
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 08:38 AM
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None? None of them have a grain of truth? Even four or five?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 08:15 AM
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Some oppressed folks would be vicious racists or misogynists if they were born white or male
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 05:12 AM
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Yea even my right wing friends thought of it as kind of like satire, a joke no equivalent to self satirizing misogyny from your uncle (not defending it, it’s still bad but just explaining)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 11:25 AM
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That’s fair When you say people are ignorant and not taking it seriously, taking what seriously? People like Tate? Or the state of affairs in which someone like him could arise?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 09:25 AM
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Examples of the oppression that bottom rung men faced?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 06:21 AM
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Sex is bimodal and also socially constructed anyway
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 12:24 PM
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Would have thought so myself
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 12:23 PM
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The “prissy halls of academia”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:26 AM
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It’s frustrating a lot of progressives only performatively care about Or bark at men to open up but don’t actually try to ask why they aren’t or create space for men to do so When it’s time for action leftists can be a lot of bark and little bite I’m sorry mental health is more complicated then “go to therapy” or “men need to open up”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:00 AM
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Yea You can argue things like the gym are heavily pushed as an aspect of masculine male culture but yea they were reffering to dieting like as in eating well and structuring one’s intake
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 09:37 AM
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I really hate the fetishisation of gay men in certain spaces Viewing them as “women-lite” and separating them from “men as a whole” it happens with other marginalised groups of men where they are viewed as their “oppressed identity” for say or even in separation to their manhood
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 07:21 AM
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“Pretty fun”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 05:54 AM
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Agree sometimes theories can obscure sometimes theories can clarify I always remember asking a friend whether trans men being excluded from abortion studies was a trans issue, misogyny, misandry, a birthing issue etc and he really tried thinking about an answer It really doesn’t matter but what does matter is whether folks think changing the name of things change the things themselves (aka the Engels line) I’ve seen folks say that for reasons of gender the disadvantages that black men face are t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 05:52 AM
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Proof?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 05:43 AM
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Explain what you mean by material causes? Many leftists acknowledge economic hardships are shaping men but simply think it’s being misdirected at women rather than against capitalism (which I think is true anyways)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 05:41 AM
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☠️☠️ Why does the left till talk about him like he’s no omnipresent force? Isn’t this EXACTLY proof the left is as the saying goes “out of touch?” Anyhow it is a small sample size and we should be aware of that Andre Tate or no Andrew’s Tate there is still a misogyny problem with young men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 01:33 AM
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For Christs sake folks were complaining that I was tone policing the sub and now I’m called a bloody right winger 🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️😵‍💫🥲
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 07:35 PM
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I’m not I’m post left There are already a tone of stuff on why the right is bad A lot of leftists don’t know their own harms and think being better than the right is enough The left right political binary is overrated but I would be further left than most on this sub I’m an anarchist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 07:32 PM
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I’ve seen folks in academia laugh and mock about male loneliness and I’ve heard teachers say courses where they talk about how men who abuse drugs and are homeless tend to leach off others more Academia can often be smug and pretentious although there are some great feminist texts and arguments, there is also stuff like how men dieting is “hegemonic masculinity” and about some sense of “dominance” or whatever nonsense
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 07:30 PM
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Not according to our “experts” on the left
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 07:18 PM
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To be fair we shouldn’t excuse siding with a vicious misogynist There is no excuse however the left could have prevented it The anti misogyny lessons while have good intentions may not work You can’t by wrote get people to unlearn misogyny It has to be a more lovely thing that involves both girls and boys Another boring lesson will just make everyone laugh, roll their eyes or even feel condescended
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 07:15 PM
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Half of these people aren’t “normal” Either lmao One of the person I know who said “the bar is in hell” had to be talked out of dating a cop 👮‍♂️☠️☠️🤣
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 07:03 PM
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When you say offensive deconstructions of men and masculinity what are you reffering to? Also don’t forget she was a victim in the whole gamergate thing we should feel bad for her
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 06:34 PM
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Fair enough I type quit a bit and it’s my phone so I am prone to mistakes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 06:23 PM
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I didn’t say the right also didn’t have their reasons to propagate him It’s both
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 06:20 PM
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I’m not sure if it was to demonize men (also don’t forget boys which the term “men” excludes) but more so cause of sensationalism and the clicks (and thus money) it would give folks This includes news talk shows a and left wing pundits It’s funny how you use the word seething lmao 😂😂😭
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 05:53 PM
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I think these folks love Andrew Tate more than the right It gives them a good punching bag No wonder they don’t shut up about him
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 05:05 PM
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I don’t like the narrative that gender politics is just a “distraction” it’s not, it very well effects many lives of both men and women and is important to talk about Not everything is about class Even though I am post left (post left anarchist 🏴) I feel bad for the left because all of orthodox leftism feels so ideologically rigid I wish young boys could speak rather than getting spoke about by 40 year old pricks on breadtube
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 05:04 PM
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The left almost needs him to exist And they platformed him by talking about him non stop I hate the folks that say all the idiotic rad fems who spew nonsense are “online” but severely overrate and trip out at the existence of a few podcasts that barely anybody watches 🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 04:59 PM
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It’s really silly because the left either assumes that everything already works in Men’s favour so they need no help or that the left are the “brave warriors for men”/s They think putting in any effort is “catering to the oppressor class” Most of them just care about men votes not men themselves and the left may have to lose another five elections in America before they gain a modicum of intelligence They can’t even give good dating advice lol half of it is like So obviously ideological and bene…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 04:51 PM
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I love your point that he was almost bio engineered to be a strawman Even my right wing friends that did watch him a few years back don’t anymore and even then did it out of half satire Honestly wasn’t toxic masculinity created by a men’s movement anyways? I don’t know why we give so much objectivity to a made up term invented by fallible humans, if it’s not working the left can (gasp) “change” but they salute rather cling to the word like religion I don’t like it for my own personal reasons Sep…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 04:47 PM
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Yes the whole right libertarian anti state capitalist sphere is weird Some of them are complete reactionaries while some of them are socially progressive However as a post? Left anarchist anti state capitalists who call themselves “anarchists” are not proper anarchists as they do not oppose the hierarchy and rule of the boss in their domain of the workplace Capitalism is the product of hierarchies, bolsters others and is one in of itself Absolutist property rights don’t make sense without author…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 03:24 PM
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Because I think it’s correct and it has a rather tense and complicated history and relationship with me Doesn’t mean it’s application can’t be dogmatic or sloppy or now looking forward I don’t have disagreements on Howe they approach the male gender I don’t want to treat ideologies as black and white all good or all bad Learning happens everywhere even in unusual places
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 03:14 PM
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Just a question? And this doesn’t discredit him at all ((in fact some of one of his books I would like to read I think it would help me with what I want to know) but isn’t he an “an”cap?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 04:24 AM
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Aight man 🤷🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 07:43 PM
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To care folks who have abnormal genetalia that they may become abusers? Sounds like fear mongering a group of people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 07:34 PM
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Honestly it would make sense that either poles may have high abuse rates Anyways it’s inconsequential
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 01:29 PM
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Yall are really this pressed about dick sizes???🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 01:28 PM
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The left focuses on only the worst stereotypes of men Leaving the rest as “collateral damage” it’s just an excuse and a movement that advocates for men should evaluate it in all its complexity not just “the bad ones”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 01:05 PM
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Hess folks really hate short men huh? Just let them find peace fr 😫😔
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 12:52 PM
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It feels like the anarchists who see anarchism ass a constant struggle against authority forever or a constant struggle against its re emergence… that sounds paranoia inducing 😣😵‍💫😵‍💫
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 02:11 AM
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I get confused because in arguments about school and stuff feminists flip into essentialistic and possibly bio essentialistic thinking that because girls are more “mature” (whether by biology or by socialisation) or they do more homework or organise their notes better that it’s justified I’m like hang on aren’t these the type of folks that think there is no right way to learn especially in questions of neurodiversity. It’s weird that telling people to read is white and ableist but if boys don’t …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 01:56 AM
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Like the patriarchy being literally everywhere and in every place asa a dogma and unbased assumption?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 01:47 AM
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Oh yea it’s partly why I think the left right political dichotomy can obscure things Plenty of right wing arguments magically become left if they are said by a different political ideology
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 09:44 PM
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What is neocalvinism shall I ask As someone with ocd I have came to critique the shame and guilt associated with alot of leftist culture and moved more into post left territory Till am a feminist but I’m gonna be more cautious with what’s passed under that rug
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 09:42 PM
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I winded how many “unlearning” And “self reflection” the folks that preach this actually do Getting told to “self reflect” by egoists after this shit has given me non stop mental rumination for years was one of the most arrogant things I’ve ever heard
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 06:14 PM
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I thought patriarchy thinks women are irresponsible which is why men get larger sentences?? 🥺
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 06:12 PM
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Completely
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 06:11 PM
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They copy it from Marxism and think aspects of Marxist labour exploitation should be applied to having sex with your husband 😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 05:21 PM
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It’s just weird and I don’t want to accept that as true because they preach that men are sex obsessed and if this is a hidden motif it would shake a lot of trust I have in politics in general I’m already moving towards anarcho nihilism and anarcho egoism because abstract ideals and eternal moral systems are something I think can put people in chains if taken above their own will
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 04:58 PM
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Well I think seeing structures as all encompassing is religious so I think it’s generally correct but not completely
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 04:46 PM
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They say purity culture is mostly about women and that’s it’s only now turning to effect men And to make this clear I think ai partners are dumb but they no way mean that the person doesn’t see women as a people or as sex objects, no where does it imply that the man doesn’t have female friends I remember asking in class in the same fashion is a dildo is objectifying and I got laughed at and a crusty guy next to me said that it may blur the lines of consent or be a gateway drug to rape or seeing …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 04:45 PM
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Doesn’t feminism in theory critique religious purity culture while often enough creating their own forms of shame and guilt but insane as of introspecting why men face these things the think it’s some individual pathology that pops up in “some men’s” heads Like they don’t reflect that leftist culture can actually not have succeeded in truly moving past religion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 04:41 PM
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😂😂🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 04:14 AM
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Explain? Is it about seeing folks as dangerous and in need of control??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 03:19 AM
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Yes and stuff about sex work being predatory and degrading (as well as porn) to “women”tm
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 01:55 AM
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Men shouldn’t make gender norms work for them, they should be more radical and try to abolish gender
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 12:31 AM
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They have and it’s both by left wing and right wing ideologies I don’t have to prove shit This is why I always feel like men’s issues would be best with egoism or anarchism Fuck society approval and fuck society
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 12:29 AM
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I’m confused when feminists say men’s problems are just at personal issues but they also exalt “the personal is political” BUT ONLY FOR WOMEN? (Or “women- lite” folks) it’s obviously bias how many friends do I have to have that report abusive and controlling behaviours from their girlfriends till it becomes a problem in these people’s minds Labels don’t matter what you do with them does…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 12:25 AM
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O hate to tell someone who just said “fuck men” to can it and they tried to say that they were “venting and their feelings Àrè valid” these are the dumbest and most socially inept people of all time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 12:23 AM
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I joked to a friend that adding youth liberation in topics quite literally about youth boys is more intersectional then just viewing them as boys and I asked him on this and I jokingly concluded maybe I’ll have to exclude from the innocuous “real feminism”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 12:20 AM
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I sadly started seeing parallels in that “unlearning patriarchy” and that “bible reading sessions” where disagreements aren’t real disagreements but simply more “ponderies about patriarchy” It’s not that I don’t believe it’s true but so many come about it in a dogmatic fashion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 12:19 AM
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Not necessarily a lot of feminists are good even if I have my disagreements but some are bad actors and some are just dogmatic Granted the claim that we live in a patriarchy is correct but I take a less absolutist definition which makes way for phenomenon outside of patriarchality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:22 PM
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Sometimes I do wonder how much discourse is projection like the kind of guys who got mad at me for calling a woman a seven and said every women is atleast an eight and you would hurt their feelings and that every women is beautiful These people have been duped and I know for a fact some women use this stuff to get men they want to date to “settle”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:21 PM
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I hate the folks that think backing up an argument is “labour” lmao
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:18 PM
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It is a actually and it helped fuck up my conception of sex
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:17 PM
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I remember reading a text “are you a manarchist questionnaire” and they already Kafka trap you by saying that if you get offended that it means you are Looking back on it I hate how much I took to hert the “legitimate concerns” that men in workshops haven’t read enough feminist theory or cheating is “a masculine mode of oppression” You realise these people aren’t serious and the amount of guilt and effort I put into it feels self defeating
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:15 PM
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It was such a mindfuck when I asked a few friends one in a socialist org where they get their understanding of feminism from and they said “their sister”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:12 PM
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As an anarchist it’s barely offensive for me to think ANYTHING is above critique so people complaining that you are only allowed to criticise capitalism and racism in gender discussions simply want to turn their theories into religions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:10 PM
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Actually agree I reber eating to help me and boys and tell them some of the weaknesses not because I hate feminism but precisely because I don’t want to do them in for a loop and trying to make it sound perfect will only harm them more if they realise it’s imperfections Like asking why are the majority of homeless people men and my comrade looked shocked He didn’t have enough critical thinking to ask why he wasn’t told that by now
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 09:09 PM
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Great examples as a black man myself (note who isn’t an African American ) Ye it’s really stupid most dudes don’t even watch the manosphere anymore and the left severley has to overrate its influence in order to self justify their nonsense I remember one of those dude bros in the Labour Party told me that incel guys are like socially stunted I always wondered out of the a million bad traits someone could be why is THIS the one that is a crime There are alot of worse traits that have either no or…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 08:54 PM
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Don’t leftists hate these institutions in every other context, I don’t get how things change when people gender topics, now a problematic capitalist market oriented system is now a “perfect and packed system” which you can just go into for a week and dip out
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 02:45 PM
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Actually there is an apa psychology study that says that men go to there more then we think and that men had higher reported levels of knowledge about men going to therapy then women :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 02:43 PM
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Five seconds in and oh my lord this is true, my friend always talks about “that’s not academic feminism” do I get to excuse make assholes for being “outside of academia?”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/26 03:30 AM
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2nd one sounds interesting, as someone who is studying I would love to read it and see what is possibly missing in sociological literature on gender
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 01:27 PM
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“Drier than the Sahara…..” DAWG ☠️☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 08:10 AM
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Actually scratch that I’m “permanently banned” because only approved and pro feminist responses are meant to be in the direct comments Even self criticism wouldn’t be allowed as it would be seen as anti feminism 😵‍💫😭☠️ Reddit mods are really something else mannnn 🙄😑
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 03:17 AM
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Commenting here so I remember to respond I’m a bit tired my apologies 🙏🏿😵‍💫
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 03:13 AM
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Is this from personal experience? Historical study? Ideological hunch? Feminists critique themselves all the time for being “liberal” “girl boss” “carceral” “white” “western” you name it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 12:30 PM
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Ughhh 🙄 other way around, solutions looking for problems Man typing those long texts melts my brain sometimes 🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 03:20 AM
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I would disagree with those terms For me feminism is an ideology, a movement, and a method of critique As an ideology and a method of critique feminism proposes that we live in a patriarchy (I think this is true, however what particularly is “patriarchal” and what aspects make up the patriarchy are frankly things that are constantly debated) It’s also a movement that creates equality by ending the inequality between men and women Because of this as an ideology or mode of critique it will bias to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 11:58 PM
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There is so much propaganda posing declining birth rates as a bad thing, whatever one makes of that government’s always prescribe the wrong solutions, governments are too weak and afraid to challenge the same capitalist order they prop up, the alienation of work culture, overworked men, overworked women doing the double shift, let alone hyper atomization It just gives way to reactionaries to blame women and advocates for government intervention into relationships (atleast the worst of them) Howe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:52 PM
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Class analysis can be compatible in a lot of regards to feminism? No???
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:43 PM
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Men aren’t a homogenous group it depends on what sort of men we are talking about Arguably patriarchy relies on the oppression of some men, the stigmatization and brutalization of “other men” “deviant men” as an excuse to “protect,” in all respects really control women. Granted I am not reducing the violence inflicted on men whether in good intention or as a ruse as reducible to women’s oppression, men deserve their own sense of individuality and “ownness” in their identity an issues but part of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:41 PM
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Fo be fair I don’t subscribe to apex fallacy notions or literalist notions I would phrase it more like a few rich and powerful men had all the power over everyone and men outside of that had relatively power compared to women (generally)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:36 PM
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Terms are always in flux and difficult to grapple with in a definitive sense
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:34 PM
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This is a complete over exaggeration that borders on bad faith The worst I could imagine is collateral damage and men’s issues being unresolved and society not acknowledging structural pain but not a genocide! My friend even used that argument as a joke and I laughed, my brother (I’m assuming) you are in no danger of being put into a camp, and be weary that plenty of groups in power have a “persecution narrative” you see it with white folks, Christian’s, heck even ayn rand calls the rich one of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 09:31 PM
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Of course female leaders existed but there were a minority and you don’t hear about all the women who’s inventions got stolen or suppressed and shut down because they were women You can obviously find many exceptions to an totalising narrative so that’s a mute point There have even been gender egalitarian societies but it identity negative that a lot of written and recorded history was done during patriarchal societies
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 11:34 PM
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Go further on that line that dating is an example of male disposability I’ve never heard of that take before?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 11:15 PM
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I would be in that boat but whether feminism is for men too relies on the particular feminist I’ve met friends who think they are all “side effects” I have met friends who think bell hooks said the final word on the issues of men and boys and I’ve met some who don’t even believe men have any issues I believe men can have issues caused by patriarchy but I ALSO believe some issues can’t really be tied back to that and trying to cram it into how it fits within feminist ideology is often dogmatic an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:52 PM
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All the rich are men, men from time immemorial have had power even in the household, I even see it with my family who is from Nigeria where my mum uses terms such as “man of the house” Sex workers are demonized Abortion Lower pay Motherhood not respected and single mothers castigated
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 11:07 AM
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The reason why one group is given more skepticism is because they are assumed to have more power and thus are operating in bad faith (atleast it’s assumed)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 03:04 AM
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Ehhh patriarchy isn’t just in the upper classes, even working class movements and groups still reproduce patriarchal power with men leading activist and socialist orgs and women attesting to the misogyny in leftist spaces
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 03:02 AM
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You don’t believe men in general have more power? And not just at the apex but generally?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:58 AM
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This implies both groups have equal power?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:57 AM
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*iniator role
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:42 AM
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It depends if it’s done on the assumption of some sort of incapability then it is, if that is just an excuse then it is effectively weaponised incompetence
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:31 AM
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Some types still expect the male protector role but just a “benevolent” version this time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:19 AM
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I’ve seen it happen although, it wouldn’t be a statement if men sometimes did actually do that in the context of feminism or women’s struggles But granted (and since I am on this sub) many folks can look in the mirror and count how many times they bring awareness to men’s issues without implicitly or explicitly trying to sell feminism to men or use their pain as advertisement for their movement
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:17 AM
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I’ve seen folks justify the male Initiator role in dating using bio essentialism “males in every species have always had the role of being the courter” Granted dating isn’t that big of a deal but it becomes a worse problem if it is justified giving men dangerous jobs or exclusively sending them to war on such a basis, then it becomes effectively selective conservatism Even the YouTube channel “understanding patriarchy” yes bonobos as an example of how aggressive males can be managed in some spec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:15 AM
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Explain?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 11:38 PM
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What makes feminism bigotry? I hear it hurled all the time but I’m not given evidence except things particular feminists did like thirty five years ago? While complaining that feminism holds men now to things their forefathers did?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 09:22 AM
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No what about it??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 04:44 AM
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One trans comrade I am friends with complained that he is seen as “just like cis men” and called “an oppressor” Personally I would find it a compliment to be seen as fully a man but to each his own I guess 🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 04:31 AM
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I’ve even seen folks online mock “trans misandry” saying it’s just transphobia Misandry by definition can’t exist to most leftists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 04:25 AM
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Agreed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 12:11 AM
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Oh yea I agree that can often be dogmatic I’ve seen folks justify police brutality on the basis of maleness but think it’s bad only when one has an “opressed” identity, it’s fucking ridiculous
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 11:08 PM
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Wdym by additive?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 11:05 PM
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Also even it’s misogynistic aspects have a historical context that can be studied and analysed The storytelling of hip hop real or made up can be very interesting to study and gain perspective
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 10:02 PM
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Sorry for the misunderstanding This post was originally put to the askfeminists sub But I thought it could be applicable for left wing politics in general which for me atleast could encompass feminism as well as other topics such as police brutality, the experiences of black men not just as black folk but also as men and also the role of female emcees I would disagree, left wing spaces aren’t bad because of misandry but because they don’t know where to start with men, the left lacks zero creativ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 08:01 PM
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The left does solve most of those issues but not as male issues eg criminal justice is taken as a “criminality” or a “racial issue” not a gendered one, similiar to education and health, some of these have overlaps with marginalized men in particular
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 07:27 PM
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Also hip hop is “brains” this is arguably a racist take and the sort I was trying to fight on askfeminists, it is lyrically one of the most complex genres and rappers like MF doom and Aesop rock have higher vocabularies then Shakespeare, the lyrical content goes across all things such as the black experience, police brutality, poverty, prostitution, drug dealing etc and can be good lessons for political consciousness, the teach Kendrick Lamar and other rappers in certain universities for christs…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 07:23 PM
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I agree that it’s probably deeper I think left wing approaches to power and change are frankly stale (which is why I’m moving in post left directions) but it’s more about making politics personal and creative and engulfing it into people’s everyday lives and habits, not as much “the macho” element albeit perhaps left wingers need more of that this day and age, leftists where I am from are too anxious to talk to centrists 😵‍💫😵‍💫😓
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 07:21 PM
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I’m not white or a woman ☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 07:19 PM
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Juice wrld 👎🏿👎🏿😵‍💫
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 07:14 PM
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No not feminism in particular but left wing politics Hip hop was born out of the struggles of disadvantaged poc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 07:13 PM
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Agreed however both were homophobic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 07:11 PM
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I think it’s more apathy and laziness then working against them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 03:40 PM
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Honestly the distinctions between 2024 and 2025 are blurry for me too lmao 😭🥲
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 05:46 AM
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No capitalism and class society/the state was always apart of the structures I was reffering to
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 05:21 AM
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The same economic structure that put women and children into industrial damage? Are we talking about the same structures? Capitlism is very happy to add more bodies to the chopping block
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 03:41 AM
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Agreed I don’t know why folks want to fight to put women in the draft rather than fight the structures that cause war
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/26 10:42 PM
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Actually good point it’s similiar to when folks appeal to the fact that there are no explicit laws against men but when conservative folks bring up that it’s illegal to pay folks less or that there aren’t“explicit” laws effecting women they say that things aren’t as simple as how the law works, social norms that created laws can still linger and the law in practice can often be loop holed or it’s difficult to enforce for certain things
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/26 10:35 PM
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What is “the radlib” definition may I ask?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 05:11 PM
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Mostly agree sometimes people will inevitable play “a bit dirty” when it comes to politics and I’m no saint either but yea insults on the basis of those things are frankly unnecessary There is for me and my friends an “anarchist version” of this joke where we talk about violent things on the “condition” that they are not “acts of authority” as some sort of joke that we have to reduce morality and social action to whether something fits with anarchist theory or ideology
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 04:05 PM
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Possibly who knows, the man being black certainly would have helped These things aren’t fully possible to know anyways so we can only pontificate
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 03:47 PM
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Sometimes it isn’t about the thing but how the thing can be weaponised Inversely alot of negative stereotypes about men are weaponised to support imperialism and nationalistic policies Painting men as threats *is a way of victimizing and oppressing them Not all oppression has a look, there are masculine coded forms as well and I wish this was acknowledged more as some more reductionist types essentialise oppression as about femininity and femmephobia so it oversimplifies many life experiences Yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 03:45 PM
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I get what you guys mean about the oppressor oppressed dichotomy being limiting Similiar to how negative stereotypes about feminine beauty matter for racialised women but making fun of men’s looks in general is ok and doesn’t apparently have offshoring effects on marginalised groups?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 03:39 PM
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That feels bleak *some guys really are reactionary but I almost think it’s overplayed by the left which weirdly feels like a self perpetuating loop Maybe I’m in too much of a bubble but I barely know guys who even watch the manosphere shit Most single guys I know are more just tired, have too much work or studies and I think a lot of women are in the same boat Increased house labour from guys could help but I think the problem exists even beyond what *men are or aren’t doing Also the stuff about…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 03:29 PM
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I think the killing of women and girls gets more political capital on both sides so both sides weaponise it for their political aims
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 02:22 PM
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Sure I mean there were patriarchies or atleast rigid gender segregated societies in which women assumed the role of provider so it may not be as essential to patriarchality as you think
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 11:10 PM
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I would love you to expand on the deconstruction is dehumanising line? I’ve heard leftists even anarchists complain that the left has gotten way too carried away with critical deconstructive analysis and that critique is like fast food, easy and cheap, It can turn into a silo where you just look for the negative in anything and can produce black and white thinking It’s problematic for anyone only hearing negative criticism and tuning everything else out, I’ve seen youth liberationists reject hav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 04:23 PM
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Also I’m temp banned from askfeminists for getting into a debate and breaking a few of the “rules” 😭😭🙄🙃
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 04:07 PM
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Fair enough I call myself a feminist but also make a split calling myself a menslibber as well Men’s liberation for me is linked but delete to feminism, think of Bookchins unity in diversity I think feminism I generally correct but it does have some blind spots or holes and I think the left approaches men in a completely backwards way Also being a feminist doesn’t mean you can’t be self critical, this sub allows more criticism (albeit with downvotes 😭) then others and is more accessible as you d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 03:49 PM
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Homelessness correlates to head injuries and dangerous jobs And certain sorts of men especially black men are killed by cops or traumatized in prisons Feminism didn’t built the system but they don’t get to wipe their hands clean of perpetuating it or not undoing its logic I personally don’t know what “feminist designed systems”mean and some of the pot shots are abit unnecessary, nevertheless telling suicide victims that they did it to themselves blocks empathy As said before I agree that certain…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 03:43 PM
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Yea honestly I’m inclined to agree it’s a pretty narcissistic, barbaric and cartoonish conception of reality Thinking dating is a meritocracy of neatly conforms to politics or morality is stupid When I was ten I would have thought was stupid Plenty of “the popular kids” are vapid assholes Some folks over ideologize it’s like when men’s dieting was seen as “hegemonic masculinity” and something to “maintain dominance” Lot of good analysis from feminism but some of these are honestly gaffs and stuf…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 12:37 PM
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No I wasn’t saying they were I was satirizing the notion that men can’t even have physical or mental health struggles Why do yall always think I’m an antagonist 🙄🥺
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 12:33 PM
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Men aren’t “that strong” ☠️☠️😭
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 09:06 AM
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Can’t get the substack, what’s the summary? I am skeptical of stuff that sounds conspiratorial but how do they manipulate the data? May I ask?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 08:59 AM
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The folks who think this shit is “natural selection” are teetering dangerously close to fascistic and social Darwinist beliefs 😟
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 08:58 AM
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Just hol up I’ll respond but I’m a bit busy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/26 12:08 AM
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My bad I skimmed through a bit of it However purity doesn’t inherently imply being given freedom This purity actually functions and is a rational for control
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 11:56 PM
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Too much of feminism essentialises men’s suffering to being seen as “not man enough” which is VERY TRUE AND RELEVANT but you can also oppress men by viewing them as dangerous which can cause violence, abuse, state control and even self versions of control and internal policing and for folks who are already shy or not abrasive this just works to narrow them into a box Also don’t essentialise social meanings to phenomena Even if the reasons for military exclusion may of yesteryear been based off o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 11:45 PM
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When I say people with ocd I don’t mean the person but the illness You can hate tuberculosis without hating the individual with it And when I say love hate relationship I mean with the illness not the sufferer I’m not trying to pathologise any human being in that sense but there are conditions which victimise the sufferer, one report compared it to schizophrenia, ptsd and bipolar in how damaging it is
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 09:07 PM
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Can you explain the last part where every social phenomenon is explained by patriarchy? I know some folks in every philosophy can be dogmatic but I would like to hear certain examples to get where you are coming from Abuse isn’t just dv anyways It’s also a fact that men have held political and economic and cultural power in general across most of recorded history and women had less agency Men also had problems likely caused but not reducible to patriarchy and feminism isn’t immune from also crea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 01:10 PM
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I’ll respond to a lot of stuff later but thanks for creating that subreddit 🤘🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 09:09 AM
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Well one I don’t know why being a man precludes you from having empathy and support for the opressed, it also doesn’t bar one from critical thinking Even as someone who almost a decade ago started out as a right wing anti sjw I was always seeding ground to left wing and feminist talking points Becoming a left winger in the months after blm’s peak made me a left winger and then everything flows from there Critiques of control guised as protection make a lot of intuitive sense in terms of anarchis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 08:45 AM
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What separates feminism from masculism in your view?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 07:38 AM
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Any proof that these orgs are biased or that academia has a bent for men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 06:58 AM
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Definitely 🤘🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 06:57 AM
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Yea sometimes that does happen and it annoys me even as a “male feminist” (I personally hate the term I wish people would just be called feminists and not have to keep talking about men and masculinity, at this point I’m a person and I don’t care about whatever someone thinks about whatever men or masculinity is whether on the right, the left, “feminists” or my dear “MRA’s” that I have been criticising and also sometimes agreeing with) You can’t have feminists in the (70s??) say the personal is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 06:53 AM
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Well men are oppressors and that is something I factor in, men dominate space and speaking time (thus perspectives) all the time Abuse against men is sometimes brought up but the movement from my very small interaction and short history as a leftist could talk more about the motivations for abuse against men rather then personalising the fact that men are committing the violence (so thus a focus on male perpetration) while de emphasizing why women commit dv to men and focus on why men can’t open…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 06:50 AM
1

How am I an anarchist a “moderate” two things can be true at once I’m not an Mra but I do care about the liberation of men not just on the context of feminism and anarchism but also its own terms 💗
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 06:40 AM
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Interesting I’ll look into it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 06:38 AM
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💯
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 06:37 AM
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Agreed?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 03:36 PM
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You are equating misandry to literal white supremacy (and yes I know part of that has unique problems for black men) men haven’t been an underclass or put into gas chambers women rent arguing for men to be put in chambers or face social exclusion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 03:07 PM
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Why are feminists the equivalent of Nazis?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 02:52 PM
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And I’m not doing a “not all feminisms” it may be genuinely something we have to be more conscious of I understand a lot of your guys struggle and feminism or certain forms (pop, bourgeois, radical, 2nd wave etc) are no immune from criticism but I reckon there are ways we can speed run the liberation of men, sometimes I joke we can make the average dude bro more progressive than the majority of feminists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 02:43 PM
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How is feminism equivalent to misandry? A lot of feminists suck granted even some in my circle but better approaches at feminism may or should be more understanding of men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 02:41 PM
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Do you have any proof that this is one of its “core tenants” or that they would damn women just to see men suffer? If feminism serves capital how do you explain Marxist feminism, anarcha feminism, socialist feminism and even egoist takes on feminism? A lot of feminists are atleast critical of capitalism, even my university lecturer who isn’t a socialist by any means is very critical of capitalism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 02:36 PM
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If certain feminist operate on heuristics and destroy honest faith attempts then that is bad and one thing I apologise for and think we should do better at actually standing on business
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 02:31 PM
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No why would I not want my fellow brothers in arms to be happy???
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 02:30 PM
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Anyways thanks for the concern I really appreciate it, it would be cool to chat
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 01:35 PM
1

Oh yea I getcha I did say “too many” and I likely have both anyways (they think it’s likely I’m autistic) if I was to think that I wouldn’t think I’m a person It’s often just a weird satirical inside joke for me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 01:34 PM
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Anger at ocd? I get what you mean Coming to have a more balanced view on it Still don’t like extreme ocd
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 01:30 PM
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When did I say I want to wipe out Autistics???
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 01:19 PM
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No im not being harsh to people with ocd i have a complex love hate relationship with it like i do with a lot of things
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 01:17 PM
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Agreed and it’s scary how a lot of folks don’t understand Having friends who “defend” Valerie Solanis makes me wonder if they were guys would they be into the red pill?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/26 10:22 PM
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I wouldn’t say “misandry” is the problem here my friend I wonder if there is a different diagnosis to make
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/26 10:14 PM
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I can attest to this with lived experience, it’s painful when a lot of folks don’t even really take feminism seriously enough to take on the responsibility of being “a better man” whatever that means (and of course a bunch of theory books can totally define that” It’s not that systemic models of power are untrue they are just utilized dogmatically and uncritically It already happens with Marxist Leninists who weaponise poc and the fact that countries were past colonies to justify internal abuse …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/26 02:21 AM
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It’s just overrated I remember testing a friend whether the erasure of trans men from abortion studies was based on misogyny, transphobia, misandry, and abortion? He really started thinking about it and I just laughed and said that he’s lost the point, who cares, we should help them anyways He ended up robotically and uncritically claiming it to be based on misogyny I’m not sure his reasoning or if he even actually thought that conclusion through
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 07:51 PM
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It’s just weird that for leftists who except postmodern theories that norms and things are in flux (as well as meaning) that these wouldn’t have complications for static rigid and modernist vestiges of understanding the world oppressor/oppressed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 07:47 PM
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Because a lot of the left still operates on religious shame and guilt and proselytism and it gets us nowhere
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 07:19 PM
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Perhaps this is a problem endemic to the wider left in general
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 07:12 PM
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As a male feminist I really feel this message I remember viewing my own potential death as “collateral damage” or that people would view it as “male stupidity and brashness” toxic masculinity in other words..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 06:51 PM
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Separate/rival nations sounds like nationalism and is only going to create disconnect, hatred and rigid gender roles this is the language of revenge not of liberation
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 06:27 PM
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And the cycle goes…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 02:45 PM
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Sometimes we like to make things deeper than they really are
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 04:50 AM
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Isn’t this no different then the rage of the opressed when it comes to other groups? Why is this a bad thing now for homeless men but justified for women, class oppressed folks, raced oppressed folks and “women lite” men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 01:40 AM
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Some trans men know nothing about men and think them acting like a lunatic is just the “growing pains” of being exposed to, learning on the fly and adapting to try and fit it with the “toxic male culture”/s Some of those folks have honestly not interacted with men outside of caricatures or stereotypes It shows that being a marginalised group doesn’t I inherently grant one unique wisdom
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 12:11 AM
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Well many things happen I’ve seen trans men be accused of being vicious misogynists so it’s perhaps a bit of mutual antagonism (not equal however) It’s because they code maleness and masculinity as privilege so if you suffer as a man it’s either not apart of your nakedness or masculinity, apart of something else or just a “accidental byproduct” of privilege Masculinity being viewed as better. Then femininity is true however it’s not universal and one shouldn’t cram and reduce issues to femmephob…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 12:08 AM
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Yea you’ve got it spot on, it’s the same reason why police brutality or poor health rates for black men is not a men’s issue but just a racial one, isn’t the whole objectification critique quite literally about viewing people as their whole humanity and not robotic utilities or plastic categories? They have lost the plot
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 12:05 AM
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Being a dude is praised in so many spaces it’s just in particular spaces where in rhetoric you get a bit of “unfriendly fire”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 12:03 AM
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I’ve seen trans men also voice this experience You think progressives and marginalised folk would be a bastion of inclusion and acceptance for people who have done no wrong but humans are humans I guess 🫩😔
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 12:02 AM
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These things take so long and I don’t have the resources for good spell checks, I apologize Still need to respond to some of the comments I am a feminist but also a radical men’s liberationist, to me these are separate out conjoined commitments but I empathise with some of your criticism ms I just don’t take theories as totalising you flaws are not to be used to discard a theory but to help people and it can also help a theory truly progress Perfection and absolutism is the logic of conservatism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:42 PM
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Sorry. 💙 I feel bad hearing this stuff and I have a close friend who I used to chat to like every day until he got busy who voiced his worries about trans men not getting their voices heard and being shouted down as oppressors I said I would help him if he ever needed a lift or support getting his community (and also our community “we are “men” after all) some help and support Men’s liberation to me means that and a lot of things it’s too complex for the narrow mentalities of orthodox leftists u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:35 PM
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Mental gymnasium also paradoxically rigid dogma A lot of the left has it, I see it in socialists and even certain anti psychiatry and neurocritical folks that want to lean way too heavily into socioconstructivism and think everything in the dsm 5 was made up and that these are perfectly normal things (hearing things that aren’t there, wearing the same clothes for weeks or months) and it’s just “a construct of capitalism bro” or “did you know in the past psychology controlled people, was (and sti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:30 PM
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Like it gives me nihilism what if I’m bias as a man? I’m I not being feminist enough? Maybe they are just right to say that boys struggling in school and black men being underemployed is due to male flight, femmephobia and toxic masculine standards that view education as “feminine or gay” or maybe they are wrong I am lying to you if I don’t sometimes question myself my motives and political reality as an ocd thought loop I remember something recently happened where a homeless man who was being a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:23 PM
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Yea that’s problematic I think it’s soo much easier for everyone if we treat it as a general truth but not a totalising deterministic science with any incorrect phenomena being treated as “random” or “personal” I remember trying to force myself to act feminine more (though sometimes I also do like acting feminine as well I find it makes me a more complex human being and throws a curveball against the gendered archy of rules) nevertheless negative perceptions of men in left wing spaces can cause …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:12 PM
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Historically many things happened Iit useful sometimes but taken to its extreme it becomes stupid If women have biphobia I really couldn’t care less if men made gender a million years ago, and even that assumption is problematic as a lot of folks think gender roles preceded patriarchy but I ont have the expertise to adjudicate that debate
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:07 PM
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I’ve experienced it where they they questioned if I was bringing another guy or a girl in a threesome as if that made a difference and then said they want a degree of intimacy, they view other men in the bedroom as a violent intrusion but a women as almost non existent
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:05 PM
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Christ that sounds horrific
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:04 PM
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Honestly I think everyone online are assholes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:03 PM
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The problem is it’s generally true but shouldn’t be taken as an axiom or dogma, first folks should go into the imperial reality of certain groups as well as the outcomes because as materialists the material outcomes matter more then if a guys stigma or violence was cause by femmephobic “ideals” I’m certain a lot of self professed “materialists” will magically become idealists when it comes to men and suddenly focus on constructs and not people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:03 PM
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It’s because the left essentialises opression as either feminine or “non masculine” and it causes theoretical gaps and inconsistent argumentation It’s much easier to think of patriarchy as a generality but “misandry” as a smaller thing that often operates at lower levels but is still harmful even if it isn’t a “social hierarchy” like patriarchal sexism is Still we are here to discuss the issues of men and I far too often see men and “queer/lgbtq” folks out in separate categories implicitly erasi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 10:49 PM
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I get what you mean it gives me existential and political nihilism when folks say for reasons of being black fear and over punishment is not justified but for reasons of males it is??? Or having folks talk about homelessness and drug abuse in a sociology class and then when they GENDER THE TOPIC they resort to really icky territory saying that men in these positions often are less trustworthy, leach off the rest of their homeless family, use support money on drugs etc Huh? I wonder where I’ve he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 10:34 PM
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Frankly I think leftist taxonomies of power are oversimplistic, outdated and black and white and how the left thinks of “men’s issues” is a symptom and it will cost the left dearly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 10:29 PM
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I would love to respond to this post later Got to catch up on some of the questions these lovely folks have given me in other threads 🤝🏿🤘🏿✌🏿😮‍💨
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 05:45 AM
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Vegans man, they can be a doozy😅😂😂😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 02:44 AM
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I remember myself going there but thinking it would be very convenient as a male that I only spotted the problem here it would be likely forms by bias that I only think of it in this context and on “introspection” I think it has nothing to do with feminism I actually think there are deeper problems in left wing foundations and attitudes that can come off as self defeating, pretentious, out of touch, dogmatic and overly focused on guilt, morality That whole “how do we descend socialism to the mas…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 05:17 PM
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My brother in Christ… most of the left DO come across as “evangelical posers” to quote on quote “the masses” that colonial proselytizing approach that takes form in the polite Jehovah’s Witness groups that are LITERALLY EVERYWHERE is how a lot of left wing and socialist orgs feel like to everyone else Fuck even including myself so I’m gonna be moral chestbeater and question why you single out feminism as the only tendency where this can happen? It makes me so down man 😪🥺😔
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 05:08 PM
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☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 05:04 PM
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I’ve experienced this before 🫩🙄☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 04:39 PM
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☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 04:38 PM
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Sure why not? I’m not an expert and admittedly my relationship with feminism is complex especially as a man and is not always as consistent or well read and understanding of the female experience as I would like to be, but nothing is perfect everything is in progress 🙂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 12:57 AM
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I remember in a debate having to tell someone that when feminism says it “advocate for men” that yes it literally implies a commitment to “advocate for men” and also be held and accountable to men on those standards 🤦🏿‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 12:18 AM
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Yea sometimes this “catering to men’s feelings” is just the equivalent to not being an asshole Some folks really do weaponise their identity to give themselves free passes to just be a pain in the ass While I understand the need for female spaces, not just in terms of protection but also as a guard against men dominating the group, insular spaces always run the risk of becoming an echo chamber It’s why criticism and complaints need to be accepted not guarded out, you don’t know what useful infor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 12:10 AM
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I find trying to explain everything up to “male ego” so painfully reductive Stoicism can unironically serve selfless functions It reduces the complexity of a phenomena to a framework or ideology Ideologies are guided they are meant to be something we mold reality to, this goes for everything
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/25 06:25 PM
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Yea I’ve even seen the on one of the feminist subs in question them getting “annoyed” that teacher on boy abuse is mentioned, like what sort of people who care about men and boys would ever say that??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/25 06:23 PM
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But yea sorry if I come off harsh I debate so much irl and online that perhaps I can come off abrasive without knowing it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 11:33 AM
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This feels like every sub at this point Guess it’s not easy to fit in boxes I’ll lighten up the tone Was gonna make a post about a forgotten intersection and analysis “youth liberation” But I’m a bit tired right now Youth liberation definitely changes the way I view things and I wonder what yall would think If the left just comes across as another boring arrogant male giving condescending lectures to a lot of boys If I was 14, that’s how a lot of the left would come across to me Zero creativity …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 11:33 AM
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Really? Cause I sometimes disagree?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 11:28 AM
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Thanks man 👍🏿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 09:25 AM
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Only having here to type leaves me prone to a lot of spelling mistakes, I think there are interesting critiques to be made of how the left “handles” “young men” I hate the term misandry in these contexts because it’s not about hatred, they fundamentally go about it in ways that could be harmful to everyone and it’s a spill over of a lot of the flaws of the left generally To put it short That colonial approach to politics…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 09:04 AM
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Was planning on making a post about the ban, but I went into burnout and couldn’t do much It’s still on my reddit to do list
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 08:59 AM
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I just thought it was funny, because I hardly care about pop or carpenter At this stage so many cultural events with big “celebrities” are overhyped
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 07:52 AM
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Fair enough I wreckin there is more useful things though I liked the discussion about sexual double standards That one was personally useful and interesting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 06:00 AM
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Interesting!! Will have a look 💙
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 05:04 AM
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No they think it does matter and it isn’t taken seriously because of patriarchal norms saying men can’t be vulnerable, granted the feminists framing while useful likely doesn’t capture everything but we can be in better faith then that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 05:01 AM
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That’s partially because a lot of MRA’s (even a lot of left wingers ones) are reactionary, have you seen r/Menrights ? I’m not saying feminism can’t hold reaction and it sucks if you are a non reactionary one but it is too be considered Yall can also ally with them if you must
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 05:00 AM
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I’ve had friends go to counter fascist protests and meet some of their “friends” on the other side of such rallies, it’s politics man
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:57 AM
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Exactly, what kind of uncomfortable discussions are you talking about for instance? As a mentally ill person I think the way they handled the loneliness crisis and many feminists have handled mentally ill men is insanely callous Too many left wingers see any support for men as a means and not as an ends and it shows
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:45 AM
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Depends on if you believe there is a uniform “culture” it seems yall hang out in leftie spaces where in discourse atleast they may be hostile to the “cries of the oppressor class” but a lot of society isn’t left wing spaces so keep that in mind, many places even in very progressive societies can be deeply misogynistic, we may just be insulated from some of the worst
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:43 AM
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Nice!!! 😊 Education is always a good start I would love to get more educated on gender politics from all sides myself But feminism has a lot more resources then anything regarding males
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:39 AM
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Well men just have to prove themselves Gonna copy and paste but you guys can’t outreach to other left wing groups and causes for legitimacy and support? While I am a menslib and not an Mra (do I don’t reject feminism) I have convinced skeptical leftists of lps A lot of trans men report feeling that their issues are ignored, why not make this a great equation to discuss loneliness, and how capitalism closes off the spaces that men used to congregate, anti war, anti carcerality, the experiences of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:37 AM
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Lots of powerless people organise all the time So many social justice movements were bolstered by every day people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:27 AM
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No it doesn’t and these are fair concerns, there is only so much an individual can do I understand, not trying to put yall on the spot Yall say that you are shut down by feminists but why view feminists as the enemy? Cant you ally with them? Plenty of left wing causes have elements which effect men in particular such as police brutality, prison reform/abolition, gay lib, school reform/anti schooling, anti capitalism, anti war, fighting homelessness, I’m sure you guys could sell some on the conte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:26 AM
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Then how are you guys gonna change the narrative?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:19 AM
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Yall really think she is going to create an influx of misandry due to her pop music??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:14 AM
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“Forgettable pop singer” dawg 😭☠️☠️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:10 AM
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Dude it’s just ragebait internet culture, I can’t believe this is what yall are taking seriously I’m still waiting on this sub to try and analyze the social media ban and how fears of radicalisation and porn likely play into it 🫩🤦‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 04:01 AM
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Really? Yall are getting riled up over Sabrina carpenter??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 03:59 AM
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I haven’t been big into the breadtube “scene” for years
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 07:26 AM
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I’m just confused? It’s interesting but why is this relevant to anything?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/25 03:24 AM
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