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FairAnalyst/r/seduction22/09/19 01:45 PM
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First of all, nice on you doing the approach. That takes guts. Now to the facts: Don’t approach on signals. It doesn’t matter either way. I’ve gotten less closes from girls that stared or double looked at vs just straight up cold approach. I remember the last time a woman double looked at me, and when I went over to say hi, she looked at me like I was a fucking alien in a bad way. Whereas this weekends I went out, cold approached, and girls gave me their numbers without me asking for it and anot…
/r/seduction08/03/26 06:11 PM
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It def helps to know how to talk to women if you’re aiming for younger. With older women you can be more direct, stronger frame, sexual and it’ll be funny to her. You can’t do that with a lot of 20yos. A lot of them are very socially awkward. I have to water down my vibe and slow roll my escalations to get somewhere with a younger chick. For daygame - if I can make it to the pt where I’m blasting through her resistance pts and she laughs at every reframe - I’m very sure we can makeout within a m…
/r/seduction27/07/25 11:09 PM
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It’s the new gen way of saying have a good vibe and strong frame.
/r/seduction27/07/25 10:52 PM
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As someone who still cold approaches during the day, I will honestly answer that signals don’t matter. I’ve approached chicks that stared me down while smiling just to get blown out seconds later with an instant I have a bf. While other times I’ve stopped and opened chicks power walking with huge headphones and ended up at their place later. The only thing that matters is how quickly you can get the chick to smile twice and that’s it. I’ve done it with extremely upset (crying women) turning them…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:43 AM
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Change - learning how to make girls laugh and smile to learning how to make yourself laugh as you chat with a chick. People dramatically misunderstand that chicks basically vibe off who they’re talking to. If you’re having fun they’re having fun. The reason teasing works is mainly because the guy doing is doing it for his own self amusement than caring if it makes the chick laugh. Caring too much about how they feel is a slippery slope to seeking their validation. Don’t care about how they feel,…
/r/seduction20/02/22 04:55 AM
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Then you’re not being real / genuine often enough. If you’re fucking around too much - then chicks think you’re being fake. It’ll work to get their attention but not their engagement. Especially if you only fuck around in a 1-dimensional manner. Beginners should be about 70%-80% real and 20% fucking around. When you get better you can fuck around more because your calibration gets better but until then it’s better to be more real/genuine with a -dash- of fucking around.
/r/seduction19/02/22 03:05 PM
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There’s a point that self pumping state doesn’t work as well anymore / gets harder to accomplish. It’s basically self hype. At first you could get away with doing very little but as time goes on, that stops working and you gotta go at it harder. And the return diminishes. It’s just easier to do warmup sets because the opposite effect of the above happens. At first it may take a handful of opens to feel the flow, but as time goes on and you get better, you need less and less chicks to feel warmed…
/r/seduction19/02/22 04:34 AM
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Game is basically being able to balance real/serious with fucking around/fun. People who say they have no game are usually in the former, they talk about serious stuff, answer questions in serious ways, and take the chick seriously. Too serious, too honest, and it becomes too boring. Add a dash of fucking around and not giving a shit how she feels about it and now you’re flirting. Go up to a few chicks and be serious. Then your next few chicks and totally fuck around so much you blow yourself ou…
/r/seduction19/02/22 04:07 AM
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That comment from chicks is the result of putting too much pressure on them right away. Some pressure on is good - but too much at once can cross a line and you gotta step off the gas. You can make your direct line work if you can step off the gas a bit with something like ‘ah my bad, I’m just a very forthright sort of guy’ and then physically give her space (like step back) and change topics to something else. The alternative is go in less verbally direct but your intentions are direct. Like sa…
/r/seduction04/12/21 08:55 PM
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Usually if I get AA it’s because I forgot some sort of inner game thing. I have a stack of things I check to get into the right headspace. I have a very logical high performance job so most of my day is spent in a ‘different zone’ than the head space I need to do pu. When I’m in the right mindset I don’t get AA. This isn’t the same thing as state. The stack goes like this : - you are the main character of your story - be free - get over yourself - go hard and hold frame - focus on your nonverbal…
/r/seduction04/12/21 08:39 PM
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Adding to this. Chicks will tell you how to get them. They essentially give you a roadmap as to how. Just not in words, in their reactions. Like if you’re talking to them and they are only politely smiling, then you’re not being exciting enough - which can be done by breaking rapport with any of the million flirting strategies out there. If you only get handshakes from them and not hugs or casual touches back you’re not physically interacting enough. Etc.
/r/seduction27/11/21 03:10 PM
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The purpose of material is to be a vehicle to convey your vibe - or how you feel inside. The material is to give you a reference as to how to do it in a productive/effective way. It’s like learning how to punch. The punch is just vehicle to display your fitness/strength. It only enhances what you already have. If you have weak soyboy arms, the best punching method in the world won’t make you win any real matches. No amount of material will overcome shit vibe and shit inner game. If you have this…
/r/seduction27/11/21 02:59 PM
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Once a chick is interested you need to switch gears. You don’t gotta keep doing attraction game cuz she already is. Attraction is a binary switch, on or off. You don’t need her to be ‘more attracted’ - that’s a trap. Some guys get too wrapped up in getting a girl attracted they get stuck doing ‘game’ and can’t go beyond getting #s or dates that go nowhere. The right move is to transition to sexual game and physical escalation. What moves a girl up higher emotionally is the difference between her…
/r/seduction07/11/21 02:59 PM
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It’s good in a sense that it is a short spike to their emotions. It’s bad if you are shit with followup. Generally the goal is keep the directions of her emotions moving up. Like if you talk to a girl, get her to smile, then giggle, the nonstop smiling and random giggling, then she touching you etc. this is called emotionally escalating. You don’t want to go the opposite way because that’s boring. You don’t want to emotionally de-escalate her. It’s like going from skydiving to bungee jumping. Af…
/r/seduction07/11/21 01:11 PM
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Sure you can follow instructions on how to ‘create sexual tension’ like doing stuff like getting closer to her or making laser ec contact or teasing her. But it’s better (and easier) to shift your mindset to feeling that sexual tension yourself and you’ll naturally project it/vibe it. Like when you look a chick in the eyes feel a sexual connection. Chicks are essentially emotional mirrors, if you’re fun around a chick she starts having fun, if you’re high energy she’s high energy. The same goes …
/r/seduction07/11/21 01:01 PM
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I'm guessing its because your non-verbals are tight when you're in that state and your non-verbals are less good when outside of it. Basically, chicks have an emotional attrition rate. This is why if you just keep flirting with a girl and don't escalate she eventually loses interest. Most guys need to flirt/spike to sustain emotional interest, but if your non-verbals are tight enough then you don't need to flirt anymore and basic bitch convos can do the job. In more nerdy terms, most guys basic …
/r/seduction30/05/21 01:18 PM
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Kind of sounds similar in frame, but softened up with self qualifying and transitional statements. Hows that work for you?
/r/seduction29/05/21 04:39 PM
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Wings are essentially for emotional support and build each other up and friend/as an activity partner. They're functionally not needed during the day even when going into groups of girls. Because to pull out a girl from a group, all you gotta ask is "Is alright if I chat with her 1 on 1?" to her friends and if they're cool, they'll say yes most of the time and give you room. In reality, I've had most of my wings destroy my approaches because they aren't calibrated or as skilled. If there are 2 d…
/r/seduction29/05/21 04:20 PM
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Did you talk to him about it? I usually tell new guys I meet what my winging rules are. There are still times guys forget because they're too caught up in the moment. I guess it really comes down to if you can tell he doesn't give a shit about your rules (disrespectful = shitty wing) or he just needs time to adjust.
/r/seduction29/05/21 04:00 PM
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Its basically, "you are...[pause super strong/deep eye contact]...cute/hot/stunning/glowing" (whatever word comes to mind) followed with, "are you awesome though?" I wouldn't consider this newbie friendly because you have to be completely congruent qualifying her and staying in the frame that shes the one that wants your validation. Its better than typical direct because those openers usually just get straight blowouts or "thanks" as responses and followup doesn't stick well. Those people use it…
/r/seduction29/05/21 03:32 PM
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Yes, my opener is direct with push pull.
/r/seduction29/05/21 03:17 PM
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Depends on your measurement of success. And how the two are applied. Lets say it is real life: If we're saying being honest is 100% honest at outset. If I went around saying, you're cute, I want to meet you. My blowout rate would be around 90%. Maybe 10% will be ok, lets chat. But that doesn't mean success either because all that's doing is offering me a chance, its unrealistic for a guy to attract 100% of the girls that talk to him even if they're all single and get through the filter. If you o…
/r/seduction29/05/21 04:11 AM
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You didn't really mention your body language, are you standing up, shoulders back, and leaning back a bit or are you leaning in a lot and scrunched up? Energy really matters for night game. You need to be +1 energy level above the girls to really engage in night game. As for openers, I'm not really a night game guy to advise on this. I think you should be able to find enough material if you google 'night game openers' and give those a shot.
/r/seduction28/05/21 04:51 AM
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You should look up 'good looking loser' Was a good looking dude who spent all his time at the gym and realized he sucked with girls. Then he figured it out and put it into a blog. His game is more about just fucking girls with less emphasis on regular game stuff like bantering or teasing.
/r/seduction28/05/21 04:29 AM
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Is this in the US? If you can't get past a few words its likely your hygiene, style, or body language that's the issue. Granted opening with how are you doing or 'you're beautiful im...' aren't great openers either. Are all your approaches nightgame? If they are, then it could also be an energy issue - if you open too low energy you'll constantly get blown out.
/r/seduction28/05/21 04:19 AM
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No matter how you approach girls you need to realize you’ll always be interrupting them doing something. There’s not going to be a hot girl sitting / standing / walking around doing nothing. There’s no better or safer activity to interrupt than others. That’s like a dude claiming mall game is better than street game. There’s no difference. It’s all arbitrary. The pattern of thought process of trying to play it safe is what holds a lot of guys back from getting good. They’re afraid to go balls to…
/r/seduction27/05/21 07:11 PM
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So some stuff that's worked for me: Trigger shittests on purpose. Because you know what shittests you're triggering, you're better prepped to deal with them. Anytime I hear a girl that's visiting or something, I ask where they're from and when they're going back. To trigger the 'i'm not from here' blow off line. Tie in sexual stuff into the convos pretty early. Cut out fluff as much as possible. Game to me is buying 'time'. A girl usually only gives me one or two things to say before they blow m…
/r/seduction27/05/21 03:42 PM
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Yea, pros won't show conversion because the game isn't as flashy and can take awhile. They're trying to sell product and want to make it look as easy and effortless as possible, not the opposite. The only reason I'm aware of it is I'm the sort of guy that doesn't get 'natural attraction' from chicks at all. I think I mentioned somewhere before that when I started, I was blown out at 'hi' like 99% of the time. Only game lets me get beyond that. I have to learn to convert or I get nothing. And thi…
/r/seduction27/05/21 03:22 PM
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For the record, parking lots (a lot of which is underground parking) at 2am close to bars/clubs is actually one of the best spots to meet chicks. These are the ones who stayed till closing, didn't find their boy toy for the night and are about to give up and go home. They were horny enough to stay out that long trying. That's why there's always crowds of people right outside popular spots at closing time.
/r/seduction27/05/21 03:14 PM
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Oh boy real questions. [WHAT IS ATTRACTION] Ok, so basically attraction is the side effect of making a girls emotion go wild. If you can make a girl feel /\/\/\/\ for you, that chick will be attracted to you. That's why the opposite of attraction isn't hate, its boredom, if you make a girl feel like this ------ she'll won't be interested. All the tactics of push pull, self amusement, negs, etc are supposed to be tools trying to teach a guy to make a girls feelings go /\/\/\/\. So to sum up : Att…
/r/seduction27/05/21 02:48 PM
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Ok, so you also ascribe to "if she isn't attracted at first glance - the guy can't attract her later" type of philosophy? This sounds like some garbage from Models.
/r/seduction27/05/21 02:11 PM
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Again projection.
/r/seduction27/05/21 02:02 PM
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/r/seduction27/05/21 01:28 PM
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Wait are you saying only girls attracted to you want you to flirt with them? If so, that's a big fucking lie. Go approach any turbo hot girl and 90% of them will let you shoot your shot.
/r/seduction27/05/21 01:26 PM
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Ok...not sure if this advice would work in UK. It works in US. A few things, my first go to would be not to get numbers. Numbers is plan Z, where everything else has fucked and failed. Plan B would be to go for a instadate. Plan A would be going for the pull. If you are getting #s where the girls are excited to give it to you - you have enough attraction to go for the pull. But if you don't want to do that, go for an instadate instead.
/r/seduction27/05/21 04:34 AM
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Will never happen. Been approaching a long ass time. Even in the dark between bars/clubs on the street.
/r/seduction27/05/21 03:41 AM
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They would be projecting their lack of skill and experience then. Not my problem.
/r/seduction27/05/21 03:29 AM
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Fuck that. Challenge accepted.
/r/seduction27/05/21 03:11 AM
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Some random dudes were accusing me of being a keyboard jockey so I posted a series of vids/gifs of me approaching girls from behind and such. Its been deleted now.
/r/seduction27/05/21 12:48 AM
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I have none at all. I'll approach any girl doing anything. Ear buds, laptop, eating food, on the phone, laying down at the beach suntanning, in a group with guys, etc. I've put up vids of me chasing girls who are power walking, stopping them from behind, separating them, and letting me get 1 on 1 time with the one I liked. 99% of guys would say 'don't approach girls like that bro'. I have had good experiences with chicks in virtually every setting and situation. And learning experiences for the …
/r/seduction27/05/21 12:39 AM
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Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGXRHT5cfwI&list=PLPbLXN1HF\_3mazMs0hfpIv8QlYMXF4zTQ&index=30
/r/seduction27/05/21 12:32 AM
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People were more social back then, but average guys had it worse if they didn't party and didn't have social scene with new chicks. Essentially if you were an average guy, you were limited to social circle and your community. If you grew up a hermit or barely talking to girls - you were fucked. There was no online dating or pickup to turn to. That's kind of the whole reason why pickup was invented. Look at mystery's story where he rode the bus for an hour into town just so he can chat up some gi…
/r/seduction27/05/21 12:28 AM
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LowCareer5994 OP Terrible advice, OP. Cold Approaches don't work. Read the room. Lol did you forget to switch to your alt account?
/r/seduction26/05/21 01:19 AM
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You're putting too much emphasis and value on a compliment as an opener. Its not going to 'get the girl' for you. No single one line can do that. The best you can expect from a compliment is a smile and anything more is a bonus. Don't even expect girls to stop walking or doing whatever they're doing when you compliment them. You need to graduate from direct game. Its great initially for beginners because it takes balls to do and most beginners have issues conveying intent. So its great move to g…
/r/seduction26/05/21 12:31 AM
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What generalization? That bookstores have slower foot traffic than malls? That's a completely true thing anyone can observe. And usually a bookstore that has hot girls going through it usually has above average bookstore foot traffic, there will be people around. I'm not exactly shitting on bookstores, some of my most memorable same day pulls were from bookstores. I'm stating that its not my first choice to game for those that have options. Also, if you can game at a bookstore, you can game at t…
/r/seduction26/05/21 12:15 AM
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I'm not saying your life exp is bullshit. I'm saying your first few paragraphs of where you claim using a few lines got you girls and subsequently relationships. If that were true, you could be a millionaire right now if you told us what those lines were. But I'm betting you can't, because what you're claiming never happened. You cannot get laid from a couple of canned lines. If that were true, Mystery would still be king of game.
/r/seduction25/05/21 05:38 PM
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Sure, I probably am like you were when you were younger. Have dreams and passions. Having a blast in life. Hooking up with hot chicks. The only diff is I make enough money that I don't really need to work and probably more fit than you were at that age. I've never heard anyone consider someone else 'being young at heart' as an insult before. That's a first.
/r/seduction25/05/21 05:18 PM
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A different way of saying 'just be yourself'. But I know the first few paragraphs are bullshit, because you're not getting a relationship off of a few lines that happened to work. That's not how any of this works. Nobody should listen to this kind of garbage.
/r/seduction25/05/21 04:46 PM
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You may want to look into John Elite. He says he as students in india that have pulled chicks same day. I cannot attest the quality of his game as I haven't bought it but as someone who has casually gone through his youtube, he does have real knowledge and experience. It may be a place to start.
/r/seduction25/05/21 04:32 PM
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I can only speak for the US but as someone who has approached a lot. I've never had a woman give me shit for approaching her.
/r/seduction25/05/21 04:06 PM
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As someone that does sometimes go into bookstores, it would be the last place I'd try. Foot traffic is too low, and the odds of finding a cute girl are also pretty low. I'd never go to one unless it was extremely nearby where I already was and have extra time. The best setting for a bookstore would be one attached to a trending / popular mall. If the mall has say, 10 hot girls walking through per hour, a bookstore would be at a 1 or less. What is nice is the girls are already stopped and have ti…
/r/seduction25/05/21 04:00 PM
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For guys that don't believe this, look up 'good looking loser'.
/r/seduction25/05/21 03:49 PM
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Ok, it looks like the effects were less than I thought. I thought you were saying you could adapt one instinctive habit to another without externalizing it. This is about halfway what I thought it was. Which was removing a habit, but not really integrating a whole new one to replace it. That makes sense.
/r/seduction25/05/21 03:31 PM
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I only checked out the first few weeks but it looks like it would be effective at gradually numbing someone to approach anxiety. The doing stuff faster than before is pretty important. It puts pressure on your comfort zone without changing what you're doing. This should expose inner game weaknesses or exposure realizations that will help you improve. Basically the more approaches you can do, the better you'll get at a faster pace. They also introduce consective days of going out which I also app…
/r/seduction25/05/21 03:04 PM
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How are you using meditation to rewire your brain? The only way I know how is to get to the root issue, find the corrective solution, and then apply it in real life until it integrates. But you're saying you can just think and integrate realizations with just meditation?
/r/seduction23/05/21 05:59 AM
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Try looking up goodlookingloser's AA program. I randomly tried it to fill out the time between hot chicks I want to approach and it's kind of decent. Its not a 30 day program, its like a few month program of slow rolling exposure therapy. Two things I like is how they ask person to spend one day doing things at their own pace, and next day to do it faster. And how some exercises is essentially mass approaching. Speed opening and mass approaching are really effective at permanently killing AA.
/r/seduction18/04/21 03:38 AM
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It did take practice. When someone doesn't have a mask on, you can figure out quickly from their face at a glance. But with the mask on that goes away. And I look at their eyes, hair, outfit, and body. This takes longer but with practice you can check it a glance.
/r/seduction14/03/21 10:30 PM
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Most of the guys I know that are best with women don’t have much money. Yet they always find women who will house and feed and fuck them. There was a guy named Willy who was with simplepickup who was essentially homeless but hooked up with hot girls constantly. Try finding their audio podcasts and finding this guy’s.
/r/seduction13/03/21 03:46 PM
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I’ve been essentially gaming non-stop since covid began and only took a break in the last month because it’s getting too slow due to weather and season. Game is still there. Girls are still out. And they are more friendly than ever because nobody is getting enough social interactions these days. Game post covid is way easier than pre covid.
/r/seduction13/03/21 03:26 PM
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Seduction for men and women mean different things. For men it’s generally catered to casting as wide bet as possible and getting as many girls as they can. Most entertain the idea of finding the one eventually but their skills are mainly focused on wide spectrum attraction skills to get as many girls as possible. In my experience, guys who can get a lot of girls generally have zero problems getting into quality LTRs. They don’t have problems keeping women. For women, the concept of their seducti…
/r/seduction13/03/21 03:12 PM
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What’s helped me was cleaning up my inner game to the point where I’m just looking for fun constantly. I generally find life more amusing, constantly amused observations of random things around me. Then when I’m in the starting line of the approach - I can use that natural ability to make amusing remarks which can lead to opportunities to banter. The best chances to banter is when the girl shittests you. Like you open and she goes ‘oh sorry I’m in a hurry’ I’d say something like ‘that’s fine. Fo…
/r/seduction13/03/21 02:55 PM
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Yea the myth is money can replace game, that having enough will make girls wanna fuck you like you’re famous. They think they’ll end up like Dan bilzerian who has a hot girl every day with him. But in reality he was hiring escorts everyday. It’s not true, it at best minority augments game in warm approach situations (social circles) and the girl must determine it organically. Otherwise if you try to pick up using wealth indicators (watch, car, outfits) you get gold digging chasers. Whose first q…
/r/seduction13/03/21 02:46 PM
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Be present and be aware of what's going on right now. These feel kind of flat because they need social energy for context and reading them isn't that funny. But done in the moment, they do really well. You can tease their energy. Eye contact. Their current action. Energy: You seem like trouble. Eye contact: I like the way you're looking at me / Its feels like you're undressing me with your eyes. Current action: I like how you're shoving food into your mouth as we're talking.
/r/seduction10/07/20 04:30 PM
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Learn to change that anxiety into fuel or excitement instead of fighting it. You do this by not fighting anxiety but letting be and roam free inside you as you approach and carry it into your conversations. Anxiety is restless energy. Use it to apply to your approaches. But if you must kill anxiety because it is too overwhelming the way to do it is to machine gun open girls - if you open 10-20 girls in 1 hr - your anxiety will be permanently decreased by a huge chunk.
/r/seduction09/07/20 04:38 PM
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I suggest trying this if you have AA. Go up to a stranger - man or woman and sincerely compliment them. Their shoes, clothes, hair, outfit. Etc. And then just walk away. Don't preplan your compliment, do it on the spot. Don't fight your AA - carry it with you - ignore it and open the person with it inside you. Don't fight your negative thoughts - ignore it and go ahead anyways. Now try it on an average girl, then work your way up to a hot girl. Just compliment and walk away. Now you'll still hav…
/r/seduction09/07/20 04:29 PM
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I'm not middle age but I'm close to 40. I enjoy it. I enjoy walking the beach and talking to hot chicks. The time doesn't matter to me. It would not be any different than me going on a 5hr hike or working out for fitness or chilling on the couch watching tv. It is relaxing to me as a massage. Even if I talked to 100 women and only got 1 # - I would have enjoyed having every single conversation. Not every girl is available, so instead see if you can do something else, like meet their hot friends.…
/r/seduction09/07/20 04:22 PM
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I see you bring up stuff about feeding ego. Who cares about her ego? This is all about you and transforming yourself into the most awesome version of who you are. Is that person you envisioning stingy with the value they give to people or even giving a shit about others egos?
/r/seduction07/07/20 01:40 PM
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Aren't those still compliments? There's nothing wrong with saying a girl is cute, but say it more like this "You look...DAMN cute!" instead of " I just though u were cute... " your results will be dramatically different. The more big dick energy you put into your openers the less girls will say they have bfs and you'll get more immediate interest.
/r/seduction07/07/20 01:26 PM
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" I just though u were cute and I had to come say hi. " People say openers don't matter, but when you're newer they do because you don't have the right speaking ability to make it not matter / midgame to make up for a bad opener. This opener is too weak and encourages you to say it in a weak tone. You want to open with big dick energy, even in daygame. That doesn't mean open with high energy, it means open in bold tone, with a bold statement. Because you want to get a reaction from a girl. It wa…
/r/seduction07/07/20 01:19 PM
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Jesus way to put the cart before the horse. Its like being scared to win a fitness competition without ever lifting before in your life.
/r/seduction07/07/20 01:03 PM
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As an east asian, my worst overall results are with latinas. Once in awhile I'll get a cool one. But its like 1 out of 5. When with white girls like 4/5 are cool.
/r/seduction06/07/20 02:47 PM
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I've been doing day game for about a month. We had shelter in place orders and most places require masks when I started. I'll only wear masks to places that require it - shits hard to breathe in and talk for extended periods of time. I'll otherwise I'll go bare faced. I'm going to experiment wearing thin bandanna masks and see if its easier to breathe in. You can't catch anything just talking to people if you're standing a casual distance away. The only issue is some chicks won't do any kind of …
/r/seduction06/07/20 02:32 PM
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I'm curious - got any direct links to it?
/r/seduction06/07/20 02:24 PM
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Because none of those things turns girls on unless you're actually hot. Just like having a huge bankroll doesn't actually get girls wet. If it did, dan blitzarian wouldn't need to constantly buy hookers. If you're not hot, you can't play on the same field as hot dudes and use their rules like expecting girls to roll up on you first. So the only option left is for you to go talk to girls first.
/r/seduction06/07/20 02:17 PM
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It depends on where your game is. Some people can't pull so getting #s is fine and then setting up the date in your favor is no problem. If you can pull and its tight, 30min-1hr travel is doable. I remember one guy I knew would take the bus into town and it would take an hour or so. But he'd pull and take the bus all the way back to his place with the girl. Another guy has like a converted pickup truck with a covering over the back and put a bed back there so he can park and pull to it. It sound…
/r/seduction06/07/20 01:59 PM
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For places without masks, parks and beach. For places with masks optional, outdoor malls. Places requiring masks are usually indoor malls and supermarkets. I've found a partial workaround with both people wearing masks - gotta go in harder with like 2x more conviction and the girls will react 'normal'. Masks are fucking up communication, makes people sound soft and mumbley. Project and assert more.
/r/seduction06/07/20 01:52 PM
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I'm a 5'6 asian guy who could pull and take hot girls home from starbucks. I started from the bottom. I know what I'm talking about.
/r/seduction02/07/20 05:41 PM
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You probably didn't have a good learning process. Basically its this, groom up, go out every day, do something new every day, learn from it, and approach a lot. Its impossible to 'not get better' if you're making incremental improvements every day. A trip of 20,000 miles is made 1 step at a time. If you learn 1% new thing every day, by EOY you'll be 37x better than when you started.
/r/seduction02/07/20 03:41 PM
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Most guys will get their first girl in first 6 months of they're consistently going out. By year 1-2 they will get around 1 new girl a month. Year 3 seems to be around the time things fall into place and can reach 1 new girl weekly. There's a lot to learn.
/r/seduction02/07/20 11:35 AM
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Yea, this is really underrated. I remember asking another guy who made a similar post about just making friends and being genuine and girls will come to him. I asked him how often he gets laid and it was like maybe 6 girls / yr. Which isn't a lot since most cold approaching guys can consistently get 1 new girl a month by year 1-2 in game.
/r/seduction02/07/20 03:32 AM
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I generally wouldn’t game in my local area unless it was through social circle. Or by happenstance like I was actually shopping. There are Facebook groups and apps like Nextdoor that constantly full of Karen’s who just talk shit about random things like ‘there’s a black guy - watch out’. I drive 30mins-1hr to game further away so I can just focus on practice and not deal with unnecessary distractions. Getting better requires consistency and experience. More experiences means you get better faste…
/r/seduction01/07/20 06:41 PM
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Masks have a negative impact on game. I'd say if both people have masks - game is like 70% less effective than normal. If only she has mask its maybe - 30% less effective If both don't have masks - game is pretty normal.
/r/seduction01/07/20 05:04 PM
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I do this sort of thing myself - opening up to 20 people / hr. I'm at a point where I'll just walk up to girls and basically tell them 'hey you're sexy as fuck' and point as my opener in broad daylight surrounded by people and it kind of works. If I'm not sure how old a girl is my opener is just 'hey, are you over 20?'. No? ok. Don't listen to random youtube comments from strangers who are backseat quarterbacking and probably never cold approached in their lives. Don't game in your local area - …
/r/seduction01/07/20 04:49 PM
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Its not the topic that matters but the tease/banter in the middle that is important.
/r/seduction01/07/20 02:42 PM
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I strongly suggest that you learn how to approach confidently and without hesitation. If you go in awkward, everyone feels awkward. If if you go in confidently, people think 'oh that's how he is' and the approach is something positive. Don't worry about rest of game, focus solely on approaching confidently right off the bat. Its better to approach bold and fast and open in a shitty situation than to open awkwardly in a perfect situation. My suggestion for you is try to learn how to do these thin…
/r/seduction01/07/20 01:19 PM
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A little bit. I used to be able to do indoor malls as one of my normal venues, but with mask order and social distancing order some indoor malls enforce it so its not possible to game there anymore. Basically nobody socializes at malls anymore or security will get up into your ass. So now do the bulk of my game at beaches and its like there was never any pandemic. There's more girls there now because a lot of stuff is still closed or not as fun to go to.
/r/seduction01/07/20 01:04 PM
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Kind of. Typical friendly conversation follows a pattern of ask question, relatable statement, ask related question. A more player-like conversation would follow this kind of pattern, ask question, tease her response or banter statement, then change topic (can be statement or question). You don't really need connected conversation topics - you can say whatever you want. When you do this without transitions you'll notice her emotional reactions going into new topics are stronger which is a good t…
/r/seduction01/07/20 01:00 PM
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You can passively maintain a degree of social skill (without having to be constantly social) by listening to podcasts all day. Especially while busy. Don't listen to it as background noise, but listen to it to understand it but learn to focus on other things while understanding the podcast at the same time. Sometimes even comment along and tease the podcaster. And now I can talk to people, be in a zoom meeting with others, and listen to a podcast and never lose track of any of the conversations …
/r/seduction01/07/20 12:54 PM
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It depends how much you push the interaction into emotional extremes. If you're playing it safe and staying in a well defined 'socially friendly area' you can get numbers from 9/10 girls. These numbers won't get you laid. If you're more aggressive and aim for the emotional edges then it goes down and can gets to like 3/10. And many of those numbers result in sexual interest.
/r/seduction01/07/20 12:43 PM
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Oh shit, guys like you are the worst. You have an advantage and think that anyone can develop their own as if its super easy. I've met guys who talk just like you, like in finance. Making $$$ is like drinking water for them. They talk about being lions. And how its all about the game that comes from within and their gut tells them the right plays to make. You can't teach that shit bud. Until you put out your own vids turning men into lions, then the next best thing out is there is learning from …
/r/seduction23/05/20 03:38 PM
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Your response makes no sense. This is video is clearly for people who are in a sticking point where they can get high attraction but pulls are unreliable. It’s not for complete scrubs. It’s like watching a video from tiger woods on how to putt 100ft away. Newbies aren’t gonna find it useful cuz they’re struggling with basics but advanced guys who are missing a step to reach the next level will.
/r/seduction23/05/20 03:05 PM
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How is it worthless? It’s outlines the basic steps of a pull. For someone who can talk and get girls on but want more consistency a process can help them go from 1 pull a month to a pull every week or more.
/r/seduction23/05/20 03:02 PM
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This is a super autistic way of putting it down but its essentially right.
/r/seduction22/05/20 07:32 PM
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If you've got the sense to know when to kiss a girl - its way more efficient to just make the move without asking. Asking invites risk. But if you don't have the timing or sense - then its fine to ask, its not a deal breaker. There's a right way and wrong way to do it though. Ask like, 'Are you ok if I kiss you right now?' - you're check if shes in the right mood (emotional gut check) Don't ask like this 'may i kiss you?' - you're asking for permission (logical gut check) Courtship is about emot…
/r/seduction22/05/20 07:04 PM
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Dude, its just sales and marketing. You're making it way too personal. Ever seen a lingerie commercial? They put hot models in front vics secret because they're telling women they can look like that too. Is it realistic? Hell no. But for some reason when it comes to self help and get rich quick stuff - people leave their brain at the door.
/r/seduction22/05/20 06:40 PM
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Go out and apply it. You say you can't because of the 'rona, but from what I've seen places like targets and trader joes are chocked full of hot women that used to never shop there before. Just wear a mask and don't stick their fingers in your mouth and you will be fine.
/r/seduction22/05/20 03:02 PM
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"Without Knowledge, action is useless and knowledge without action is futile" Real talk though - it does suck and feel like hard work at first. Early on when I was learning this and I was still a virgin I asked myself would I want to continue being a loser virgin 10-20 yrs from now. And that was my fuel to be like - yo - I gotta change the trajectory of my life or its going to end up worse. The most amazing thing I discovered early on wasn't getting better at pickup and then seeing results and e…
/r/seduction22/05/20 02:49 PM
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> if those methods weren't working for you? Well there's nothing wrong with the methods, surely not! You just didn't work hard enough. To be fair, this is just human nature. I can give a fatty a fool proof meal plan to reach their target weight. But you know most people will just fuck around and not do it right. So they fail to reach their goals and then blame the plan instead. This goes for practically any complex process. But onto RSD - I've met guys who went from zero to hero using RSD. It do…
/r/seduction22/05/20 02:23 PM
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Isolation is more important than its stated here. Do it earlier and faster if possible. The goal is to setup a scenario where it is faster to create 'the bubble' or 'our world'. Its that feeling where you feel like its just the two of you and nothing else exists. Attraction game becomes 100x more effective because she's not distracted by anything else and only sees you. I recommend if you want consistent pulls - you have to isolate within first 30s of opening. Most approached women are lost in e…
/r/seduction21/05/20 02:48 PM
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For most guys self improvement will not get them more women in their lives. This is like the modern day version of buy a nice watch or flashy car and women will come. The only guaranteed way to get more women is approaching and learning game.
/r/seduction21/05/20 02:29 PM
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Yea just learning how to overcome aa and being a decent cold Approacher by itself is an amazing learning / growth experience. I went from a complete neckbeard introvert who couldn’t make eye contact or talk beyond mumbles to executive management. A lot of guys I know who had ok results and could do cold approaches were often fast tracked through their company and groomed for leadership positions.
/r/seduction21/05/20 01:32 PM
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It sounds like root issue is you don't know how to hold an interesting conversation - I really suggest before learning how to flirt or do attraction game to master a fundamental rock solid basic conversation ability. That you can make interesting without flirting. The primary issues I see most often is guys are conversing on autopilot. They blank out and let random garbage come out of their mouths that don't contribute much. Just stupid dumb boring shit. You can't hold a genuine in the moment co…
/r/seduction20/05/20 09:53 PM
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Yes to " You're suggesting alternating the pitch of every word when I am speaking to people?" Once you get the hang of modulating your voice like that, you can speak 'interestingly' not just up and down. I know just talking like that helped me get girls early on before I knew how to flirt. I was boring as shit but talking with that kind of modulation was enough to get some girls. I think it was ...was it sounded playful. Like you're playing with the sounds of words themselves. Like how in Friend…
/r/seduction20/05/20 04:47 PM
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Well, I like to setup the situation to favor me. So if I see a girl that's walking towards me that I want to talk to - I start waving at her from like 10+ feet away with a smile and saying 'hey'. That's usually enough runway to let them know you're talking to them and want to chat. So they'll stop in front of you. If you try to open too close, they'll walk by and then maybe stop somewhere past you (sometimes they keep going) and its harder to keep that interaction going like that. Then I would s…
/r/seduction20/05/20 02:35 PM
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It doesn't take 1000s. When you're good, you can get about 1 girl out of 5.
/r/seduction20/05/20 02:28 PM
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I bet you've had a random stranger say something offhand to you before or say something retarded like 'hows the food'? That's them trying to strike up a conversation and hit on you. But very few guys are straight out direct with their intentions.
/r/seduction20/05/20 02:28 PM
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You're cute is good enough. But don't expect that's going to be enough to stop her and start a convos.
/r/seduction20/05/20 02:17 PM
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I still use attraction game in my ltr (10+yrs) and its kept the heat on the entire time. Its like honeymoon phase never ended. I recommend push pulls - I don't know anything about your relationship but this would work with my girl: "Hey babe, I have some bad news." Give her time to look concerned. "I wanna make out with you till beg for mercy." grab her and kiss her hard, push her against the wall. Kiss for a bit. Look her in the eye, "Had enough yet?" She'll say no and you can tease her by comi…
/r/seduction20/05/20 01:49 PM
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Unshakable. Also its good thing to push boundaries, you need to learn where that maximum is and toe the line. When you are able to say wild shit to girls right off the bat, you can get immediate high level attraction. The only way to know where the line is is to cross over it a few times and calibrate down. Better to get blown out by being too polarizing then soft rejected by being too boring. Then you start learning how you can get away consistently saying wild shit and it just 'works' and you …
/r/seduction20/05/20 01:37 PM
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Relying on game that only works when you feel passion will handicap your game in the long run. That's the original point of my post. I acknowledge that being exciting and fun works. I also acknowledge passion is the shortcut to it. This isn't really a new thing, its been known for awhile that 'state' in game will get good short term results but handicap long term progress.
/r/seduction20/05/20 01:31 PM
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Tonality can mean different things. There's undulating tonality where the words you say have different tones themselves. You can warm up for this by saying 'high AND low' - say high as high tone as you can, say AND with a lot of emphasis, and saying low with a super low tone. And then just speaking using that pacing where one word is high and the next is low. This is surprisingly effective when speaking, you end up speaking slower and adding tension in the middle of sentences and you just sound …
/r/seduction20/05/20 01:17 PM
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I think this is a more generalized way of seeing it: One group are people who just needed to sell themselves better. Be a little more confident or outgoing and they'll find success. A diamond in the rough. But the second group need wholesale inner game structuring from A-Z to get that same success. They need step by step details. Bullet point social skills laid out like a formula. Tactics and strategies. Because they honestly don't know or have completely wrong idea of how things work and need t…
/r/seduction19/05/20 09:16 PM
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Cold approaching is a skill. The more you do it, the better you get and the results can be fairly amazing. I went through the process and went from a virgin to a guy who had 3 fuckbuddies all the time and could take girls home from starbucks. But it starts off hard. Every new skill has this tough pain period to get through before it becomes fun. Approaching is especially difficult because of things that hurt emotionally like rejections or mean chicks or any number of other things that can come u…
/r/seduction19/05/20 08:44 PM
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Having the ability to just be fun and energetic at anytime without needing outside catalysts such as environmental influence, drugs, or things like passion is top tier inner game. Its not 'artificial' in the sense you give yourself a temp boost to mood. Its a permanently happy mental status. And is one of the core ingredients for having strong drive. Which is the highest tier of inner game. Passion is emotionally driven and whimsical. One day its there and another its not. Discipline is logical,…
/r/seduction19/05/20 08:36 PM
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Kind of. So what really works well, is just being excited about whatever you're talking about. Like happy, animated, and fun. And its not really about passion. You can achieve this by really just feeling it and knowing how to flip that switch. But using it too much you become dependent on it - like you feel you can't get girls without it. And you only go for girls if 'you're in the mood for it' - you gotta be in 'state'. But the thing is you can't really be like that all the time. Like if you're…
/r/seduction19/05/20 03:28 PM
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The problem with these 'improve yourself and girls will come dudes' is they don't mention they do stuff to just put themselves into position to meet women and hope it produces results. And how few and far in between the results are. It helps that they may legitimately enjoy the activity - but if they spent their passion on something that wasn't social or was just full of dudes. It wouldn't work. Its just easier to walk up to girls and talk to them directly then jumping through all those hoops an…
/r/seduction19/05/20 03:15 PM
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> So it can be any emotion sad, angry, happy, surprised, scared etc as long as she feels something Its better to make her feel something, anything, than making her feel bored. That includes a variety of negative emotions like anger and jealousy. Handling negative emotions requires a delicate touch because its like working with rocket fuel with how intense and unstable those emotions are. So I don't suggest going that route until you're pretty good at flirting already and want to learn some short…
/r/seduction14/05/20 05:32 PM
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Its just that in sex you're hitting the 'highest' emotional high for them. Like if you just talk to a girl and flirt, she'll laugh and feel good. She gets the emotional buzz from it. But it doesn't compare to making out with her. Now she's on a different emotional / energy wave length than before you made out with her. She's probably more handsy, compliant, etc. And then sex is the same thing. You've reached a different level of emotional high. She's wants more of it. So she does stuff that help…
/r/seduction09/05/20 10:59 PM
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Making a girl feel more intense emotions results more intense attraction. If your convos is meh emotionally, you get kind of interest and the aim should be 'doggy bowl dinner' look during the day. You get that and you can pull. The example thing is something I'm currently working on. I'm trying to get this kind of game into something anyone can learn from a complete beginner level.
/r/seduction07/03/20 07:56 PM
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Keep opening more girls of all races and don't create limiting beliefs for yourself. You're supposed to reduce limiting beliefs while doing this ...so don't create more.
/r/seduction07/03/20 06:32 PM
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It works that way in the real world as well. The best way to get a girl is to weave a complexity of emotions for her. Its the reason why dramatic movies have more 'emotional weight' than comedic ones. They make a person feel happy, sad, angry and everything in between. For example, lets say you talk to a girl and find that the thing that makes you angry makes her angry. That's emotional connection because you two feel the same thing about something. You made her feel angry and it wouldn't surpri…
/r/seduction07/03/20 06:15 PM
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You do get hatefucking is a thing right? And if not, look at any...literature or movie where the guy is someone the girl couldn't stand and had tension with someone. Then one moment they're alone, things get quiet, they get closer, and now they're fucking. I can literally go on and on about this. Sure, I stated it rather bland aggressive terms. But phenomenon exists. Most kinds of common flirting such as teasing work on similar principles, they impart negative emotions first but end up net posit…
/r/seduction07/03/20 03:39 PM
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If you make girl attracted through personality, she will start seeing you more physically attractive. Most girls wouldn't have swiped like on their bfs on tinder - but would consider their bfs the hottest thing ever. It goes the other way too, if a girl finds a guy physically attractive, she'll find him funny/charming than he really is.
/r/seduction07/03/20 03:28 PM
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Jesus christ. I can tell you're a broken person. This hilariously proves my point from earlier - get a girl to hate you and she won't stop bothering you.
/r/seduction07/03/20 03:19 PM
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I like how you're repping all girls now. As if every single one will share your opinion. Frankly speaking, you're extremely unattractive. Nobody here wants you.
/r/seduction07/03/20 03:10 PM
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he walks, smells, looks, laughs, talks You do get game is personality right? Game is aspects of personality that can be improved to become more attractive.
/r/seduction07/03/20 03:04 PM
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So only women are allowed to rate their potential partners now?
/r/seduction07/03/20 02:56 PM
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I'll throw this in as well since the OP originally talks about looks. Girls can look at some guys and land anywhere from interested, attracted, sexually attracted, or DTF. And some guys can make a girl land on that same spectrum from personality. It doesn't matter where those emotions come from, looks or personality - its the same attraction in the end. The main reason why looks seems to 'hit harder' than personality is because the intensity of emotions from looks is all at once vs it takes time…
/r/seduction07/03/20 02:54 PM
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Attraction is super simple to understand, it is the inevitable byproduct / result if a guy can make a girl feel emotions around him. Therefore if you can make a girl feel emotions, you can make a girl become attracted. And it doesn't matter what kind, a girl can be scared and fuck you. A girl can hate your guts and fuck you. A girl can like you and fuck you too. Once you understand that ANY emotion can be leveraged into attraction - what you can do to get girls dramatically opens up. People focu…
/r/seduction07/03/20 01:47 PM
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Doing game through baby steps is a huge waste of time. Sack up and jump into the deep end instead of trying to inch your way into the cold water. The problem with guys who baby step is they don't see any progress 6mo - 1yr in and quit. Its the guys who go balls deep approaching 10 girls a day that get better.
/r/seduction07/03/20 01:40 PM
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I've talked to 1000s-10,000 women and I've never heard a girl say that in real life. On tinder its like that, but not real life. They're not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 01:38 PM
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I'm not a physically attractive dude. Very average. And you're taking the wrong lesson from this. If you have game, you can go out looking like shit and get girls. Its not all about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 09:39 PM
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I think you need to fundamentally understand what attraction is, this post explains it: https://www.reddit.com/r/fapu/comments/f4roty/theory_my_view_on_attraction/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 08:35 PM
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Game is essentially everything other than your physical looks, like your reputation/fame, attitude, personality, charisma, style, etc. Now, I don't know those two dudes personally, so I can't speak to them. But I have been in situations where I was competing with hot dudes, like my wings were 6'2+ model tier 8 pack tall dark handsome dudes, and I'm like 5'7 and skinny asian guy and we'd roll into clubs together. I would be the one to walk up to a group of girls, take them back to my wings, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 08:32 PM
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So? I'm asian too. Who cares what race they are as long as they're hot? You're not going to get better at this if it takes you 2 hrs per approach.
/r/seduction06/03/20 07:27 PM
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Asian chicks are especially hard to do pickup on - not impossible but its like hard mode when you should be playing on easy. Go for all kinds of chicks.
/r/seduction06/03/20 07:21 PM
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I second the other dude...wtf it took 2 hrs? Were you only looking for the hottest girl on campus or something? You can talk to 10-20 chicks in 2 hrs on a campus and have enough dates lined up for a week.
/r/seduction06/03/20 06:41 PM
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Nothing is stopping a hot guy from having game, but you often don't see them having any besides 'not fucking it up' and 'being chill' and 'teasing' and 'being genuine'. They don't need to learn game if being good looking and being themselves is enough to get girls. But lets compare it to a guy who can only get girls through game. His understanding of it will be a greater level and it would show through his abilities. It'll be like comparing the knowledge and skills of an african tribesman hunter…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:27 PM
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Every girl that reads romance novels. You're leaving out the part that if you find someone attractive, they get hotter in your eyes - and then it can become sexually arousing to see them. And a guy can become attractive through personality even if physically not attractive. I've personally done tests where I went out dressed in literal trash bags and could still pull chicks looking like a hobo.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:16 PM
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There's no difference in attraction if its gained through physical or personality. The only thing that matters in attraction is 'intensity'. Usually if a dude is physically attractive enough that intensity is like getting hit with a brick to a face (high intensity). Attraction gained through personality is usually slower and less intense because the process of getting to know someone is slower. Purpose of Game is to ramps up that process to make it hit high intensity as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:04 PM
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From your answers, I think you'll have better luck with asian guys. They treat women like queens. And they're extremely stable partners who have a lot of upward financial mobility. White guys don't have that mindset or upbringing. Go to r/r4asian and try it out with a post. Don't use tinder or other forms of online dating. Avoid overly buff or polished looking guys (they know they look good) - look for the guys who are 'real'.
/r/seduction06/03/20 05:04 PM
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Was that dude white or asian? Are you an introvert? Would you consider yourself attractive? What % of the day do you spend outside in social environments? How do you normally meet guys?
/r/seduction06/03/20 04:55 PM
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You need to learn how to integrate new ideas into your brain. If you just read about them or think them up, they won't just sink in and become part of you. This isn't like nearly a new piece of trivia you'll just remember. You're expecting automatic changes to emotional responses, habits, and behavior from a single idea. You need to take an active role in the integration process and stop being passive about it.
/r/seduction06/03/20 04:46 PM
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Yes, and then read atlas's comments. I meet that type of women often and they're immune to game. I was wondering if I could identify that sort of person by the way they write.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 06:30 PM
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Would you also consider yourself more logical decision maker than an emotional one? For example, someone similar to the character 'temperance' from the show bones?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:42 PM
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You managed to put something into words I’ve been thinking about. If I get a girl through game - it’s almost like they’re in love. They stick and become a ride or die chick. If I get girl through looks - it’s something different. Feels less solid. Has that been your exp?
/r/TheRedPill03/03/20 03:59 AM
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Interesting i don’t usually see girls wishing they get hit on. Usually the opposite. It’s too bad approaching girls is seen as super negative thing in society these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 02:49 AM
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Before old did you expect guys to randomly hit on you or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 02:22 AM
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How has OLD changed things for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 01:32 AM
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Combo of men not being told the truth about female attraction and not taught on how to be attractive. So they end up being super unattractive and don't want to change and it only gets worse. And that women are dating a lot more. Which can lead to fatigue over time. Its like if a dude watching porn - at first, all boobies are amazing. But by the end of the hour the guy needs some kind of specific niche extreme porn to get off. So its like two sides are running away in opposite directions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 06:47 PM
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Numbers are worse than that. Only about 15% of adults are fit/healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:43 PM
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Hedonistic treadmill. First time having dark chocolate. Amazing. 100th time? Good but not as good as the first few times.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:39 PM
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If the guy continues to be the same personality or improves it, it'll never slide back to meh. He'll stay hot to her forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:36 PM
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Most women don't believe it. They don't see it a strict delineation between AF and BB, or alpha / beta as a spectrum not as a black and white thing. And their reactions to these types of men are instinctive reactions from the men's standing on this spectrum. Women's reactions to men are basically the following, neutral, polite, interest, attraction, sexual attraction, and dtf. Where you are along this spectrum is based on how much emotional intensity you make women feel around you in that exact …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:41 PM
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Guys who play it safe aren't used to leaning into their anxiety/tension. Its not even a real fear, but an instinctive aversion. You can tell him its ok, but he'll still feel anxiety about it, and thus avoid doing it. For a lot of guys, they get that anxiety/tension whenever they have to make a move on a girl. If he's not capable of getting through it himself, you'll really have to grease the wheels by breaking the touch barrier yourself.
/r/seduction27/02/20 03:22 PM
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If you are in that position again in the future, and you're starting to bitch out again, I suggest asking if she's ok with being escalated. Like, "Is it ok if i....hold your hand/kiss you/etc.' or 'can i...' There is a right and wrong way to ask, and the the 2 above ways are pretty alright.
/r/seduction27/02/20 03:14 PM
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I noticed that no matter how many women I've taken to bed, that making the move to escalate always made me feel tension. Most guys operate on a principle that they do what 'feels right'. As in they're like water, they go the easy path and avoid anything with tension. Even in flirting, they flirt in a way that isn't hard for them to do. As a result, their tension tolerance is very low. But getting a lot of consistent game results like pulls and lays requires pushing into the tension. Being able t…
/r/seduction27/02/20 02:43 PM
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Tell her ‘wait wait, I want to talk to you’ or ‘can I ask you a quick question’. Whichever is easier for you to say. They’ll stick around and give you one chance.
/r/seduction26/02/20 11:36 PM
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When you mean hard time keeping her engaged, are you talking about early disengagement where she's trying to walk away? Or do you mean midgame disengagement where you're boring her and she wants to leave?
/r/seduction26/02/20 09:25 PM
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Irving spectrum - Depends on your age I guess. Theres tons of girls there but they all look too young to me. I prefer around 25yo. Newport - Its the parking lot area next to beach. That place has at least 3 bars / clubs and hot blonds wandering around. For game in general the order would be SD > LA > OC I'm looking for something like omnia in LA. I mean there has to be something close to it.
/r/seduction26/02/20 09:18 PM
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>looking like a fucking malfunctioning robotic retard. Ironic coming from him because he sounds and games like a robot. I don't doubt his game, but compare it with someone like limitlessexp who you know is saying memorized lines but it still doesn't sound scripted. On the other hand, everything come from todd's infields sounds scripted. I recommend doing this: First understand the high level steps of the program you're trying to learn. I don't know todd's but mine is open, attract, escalate, pul…
/r/seduction26/02/20 07:57 PM
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They go extremely into depth about it. And admitted developing kinks related to it afterwards. That's aside from the point anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:00 PM
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San diego - Daygame along the beach. Theres a hot girl every 5 mins. Night game Omnia - high cover but smoking hot girls in almost 50/50 ratio till around midnight. OC - Day game...meh. Nightgame newport beach. LA - Day game SM / Beverly / Bungalow. Night game - still figuring this out.
/r/seduction26/02/20 03:32 PM
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Women with higher counts tend to be into more degenerate sex. I can't remember the last girl I hooked up with over 50 count that didn't have 3some/gangbang somewhere in her sexual history. And I've met more than my fair share of girls who had actual trains ran on them. And many were non-consensual molested as well esp drugs were involved - but were like 'oh well' about it. I don't ask for counts but girls seem to like to spill the beans anyways. Men do care about degeneracy. These chicks are fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 01:55 PM
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Well, how I did the movie thing was I just had a movie I liked and just asked her to come over and watch it with me. Usually it was some kind of comedy. Then when they came over, made some excuse as to why the TV didn't work, but the tv/computer in my room did. So they came to the bedroom and from there Id turn on the movie and had her get on the bed with me. Gauge from there if it was gonna happen easy or not. If she was giving me resistance, I'd give her a backrub and that usually worked to ge…
/r/seduction26/02/20 01:05 PM
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Quick tip - esp for people who are walking and minding their own business. Start with an attention grabber line first, like 'hey' 'yo', etc. Get their attention, get eye contact, then do your opener.
/r/seduction26/02/20 06:08 AM
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I suggest starting with swingcat's prizing then going over david d stuff. They go pretty well together hand in hand since prizing looks similar to cocky funny, but it a better inner state to have vs just outer game material. David d stuff needs to be carefully used - too much will get your ass blasted by girls. If you use cocky funny stuff be well prepared for the shit girls will throw at you. The swingcat material will build the inner game needed to handle it.
/r/seduction26/02/20 05:41 AM
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If I could, I'd game at noon. I've seen how crowded it is at lunch hour in a lot of places with a lot of well dressed working chicks. I value volume to a/b test my game. 7pm and its like a ghost town maybe 1 approachable girl every 20 mins.
/r/seduction26/02/20 05:34 AM
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I use weed or 'wanna come over and watch a movie?'.
/r/seduction26/02/20 05:30 AM
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Probably start with 'thats what she/he said'. Its kind overused because I keep hearing it everywhere. But you asked for low tension/low effort sexual jokes, so that's one. Avoid doing mirror practice with verbal game. Mirror practice is good for learning how to maintain eye contact while talking but that's about it. Reason for that is you can't really replicate a irl situation on your own in front of a mirror. Saying the line like that feels super weird and incongruent. May even wig you out of d…
/r/seduction26/02/20 05:26 AM
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Ok, I only read the start, missed some parts in the middle. And the end. So I'll address the stuff I read. Game varies by location. A dude with tight game in NYC will have to calibrate and adjust to LA. It won't be exactly the same normal thing unless he's developed universal skills. So yea, a lot of the game here will most likely only work in USA. Although there are some bits that may work in other locations. The stuff about looks. Lets say a dude is a physical 5 in looks. But if a girl likes h…
/r/seduction26/02/20 05:14 AM
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Out of curiosity. How often do you take girls home from bars? Lets say you go out 10 nights.
/r/seduction26/02/20 04:54 AM
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I think there are plenty of guys who can talk to girls like a normal person but they come off as too boring for girls to find interesting. If it were as easy as 'converse normally with girls', we'd have a ton of day game guys everywhere posting lay reports. Its clearly not that easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 02:30 AM
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Thanks, that was interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 02:10 AM
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From this thread from 2x - seems like a lot of women were caught by surprise: https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/f89dgb/i_lost_a_guy_friend_and_have_lost_other_guy/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:01 PM
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Kinda sorta. If a guy's game is mostly his looks, then yea, its an easy comparison because a girl can look around and find a hotter dude. But if your attraction is your charisma, that's a lot harder to compare with. Especially if you're the one directly talking to her. The competition goes to essentially zero and she just focuses on you. The only thing from that point is emotionally stimulating her enough to hit the attraction/sexual attraction peaks and take her home. A big part of why TRP and …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:02 PM
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There's no benefit to trying to create a environment/social movement/safe space that's meant to support the lowest denominator like losers with something like social communism. That'll just make more losers. The best way forward for everyone is survival of the fittest. And letting the fittest share knowledge that can help the losers stand taller. Which is what we have going on right now. There's TRP and PUA out there to help guys who can't navigate the sexual marketplace. If they opt out, that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 06:55 PM
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Replaced. Its a pretty well known thing that locals get lazier and more 'soft' every generation and that immigrants are more aggressive, harder working, more risk taking, etc. I'm saying this an immigrant. I see a ton of guys with every advantage given to them end up being poor or incels while I'm more than willing to put in unlimited effort to get what I want without complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 06:45 PM
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Does anyone really care a bunch of random dudes is quitting dating? I don't think women care. And most men don't care. Life is about survival of the fittest. Keep up or fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 06:35 PM
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Yea dude. Same here. This shit works.
/r/seduction25/02/20 04:26 PM
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That lie being 'attraction'! The most important bit. If she's attracted to you, it's all pretty easy, but the problem is that PUA lied to you and told you you can MAKE her attracted with things like cold reads, negs, DHV stories etc. I strongly disagree with this. You can make a girl attracted to you through 'game' if shes not into your looks. Now you mentioned specific tactics that men can use to flirt. I won't debate their efficiency here because it depends on skill and context. All that matte…
/r/seduction25/02/20 04:23 PM
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I think you're confusing that PU offers a set of tools. Almost a limitless toolbox. You don't need every single tool in it. Just maybe a core handful you find the most useful. Unlike physical tools, people have preferences for their social tools. And depending on situation and context, some tools work way better for some than others. Otherwise PU has been drilled down to its basics already and said in many different ways, its basically, open, attract, escalate, pull. All you need to do is find o…
/r/seduction25/02/20 04:17 PM
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Man, your other post got a lot of flack. Good on you holding strong. Its funny to me that there are guys who are lucky in life with their results and think that any guy can just go and copy it for 'the easy life'. Or that day game doesn't work.
/r/seduction25/02/20 04:03 PM
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Yea, that's a sign that your social comfort zone is too low to learn game correctly. If it helps, I suggest finding old simplepu or limitlessexp vids. Those guys are both legit and they're doing a lot 'worse lines' than the one I just provided. You're looking to improve in a skill whose primary foundations is confidence. You need to build foundations first to learn game correctly. Its like you're trying to learn how to swim in Olympic races but don't know how to stay afloat in water yet.
/r/seduction25/02/20 03:44 PM
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What you're talking about sounds more like discipline than drive. Discipline is doing stuff because you made the decision to and usually against your emotional desires at that moment. Overuse of discipline leads to emotional numbing because they're not working together. Drive with properly aligned emotional energy feels like passion you can control. Like a fire hose you can point at anything and you feel like Genghis Khan trampling every obstacle in your path. I call it big dick energy. That's j…
/r/seduction25/02/20 03:38 PM
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Really dumb pickup lines like "did it hurt when you fell from heaven?" Just find them on google.
/r/seduction25/02/20 03:31 PM
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Ok, so I'm not directly challenging OPs view because in the end he reaches the correct conclusion, but the reasons why are all fucking wrong. OP, girls just want to have fun. Obviously they're going to go with the option that's the most fun. That's it. See it more as a woman in a ice cream shop selecting a flavor. And 80% of flavors is some weird color of baby poop whose flavor profile is something like 'rotten bananas' and the 'top 20%' are actual normal ice cream flavors and colors. She's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:30 PM
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My fav crazy from there is "you're allowed to act single until there's a ring on it" - its like they don't believe in relationships before marriage at all. So even if the dude wants to be committed/exclusive - the girl is still going to fuck around on him till he marries her.
/r/PussyPassDenied24/02/20 09:46 PM
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Yea, they're wrong. I'm not really a pill guy - I just know this stuff from my personal exp with girls. I learned how to have an attractive personality and once you learn the 'trick' to it you're essentially attractive to every woman. You should read a followup I wrote here where I describe how to consistently get attraction from girls: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/f8w1zc/whats_your_experience_with_ugly_guys_who_are/finy094?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x PUA stuff works.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 09:11 PM
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>If the girl you approach doesn't like the way you look, then complimenting her is useless. It's not 'making her day' as PUA scammers like to say. You have a very incomplete and narrow view of how attraction works. I have a reply in another sub with a bunch of chicks agreeing with my model of how attraction really works and how to create it consistently with any girl. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/f8w1zc/whats_your_experience_with_ugly_guys_who_are/finwmhh/?context=3 Read th…
/r/seduction24/02/20 08:33 PM
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I think you need to expand your comfort zone a more. To do game well, you need a huge comfort zone. One so large that you're comfortable/confident in almost every possible social scenario. Luckily your issue is something you can solve with just using a different kind of opener. So I recommend looking up pickup lines on google, picking 10 and using all 10 on random girls. The dumber the better. And knocking them all out in 1 day. It should fix your issue. Don't expect the lines to work, but somet…
/r/seduction24/02/20 08:26 PM
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I'm trying to avoid wording attraction is an emotion that either happens or not as if its by complete random luck. I've noticed attraction almost always happens if the girl feels a certain degree emotions towards a guy. So if a guy knows how to consistently trigger emotions - he can consistently get attraction from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:27 PM
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Attraction is just a side effect of intense feelings a girl has for a guy. It doesn't matter if this is done through looks or personality. Like a guy who is a physical 5 but can make a girl get turned on through his personality will turn into a physical 10 for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:14 PM
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Passion is for losers. Its just an emotion that can come and go on whim. Some days you'll feel 'top of the world and ready to conquer it' and next day want to lay about and eat cheetos. What you want is drive. This is what successful business people talk about. This is what pro athletes / top artists mean when they say 'have passion'. Drive fuels ambition. And its super simple to do. Its an alignment of both your logical brain and emotional brain wanting the same things. Sounds like you have a d…
/r/seduction24/02/20 06:43 PM
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Definitely, there is a natural progression of improvement that just happens the more you open consistently. Like instant and regular rejections go down. Even girls saying they have an SO will start decreasing. Just keep doing what you're doing dude. Those mass approaches will help you a lot more than having them spread out over a too long of a time.
/r/seduction24/02/20 06:34 PM
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Nice data dude. I remember for me was like 100 approaches and like 95 instant rejections early on. But its something you can get way better at and now instant rejections is like maybe 10 or less out of 100 for me. Don't get tunnel vision and just focus on game, look for things that you can improve and optimize to reduce friction and improve engagement. I think you can reduce your instant rejections by 70% or so. How did the the non-instant rejections go? They say they're 'seeing someone'? Or the…
/r/seduction24/02/20 06:18 PM
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Any dude serious about getting girls doesn't go for numbers. They go for pulls. This skips the high friction step involving numbers and setting up dates. So a guy goes from 20 #s to 20 pulls - instantly quadrupling possible his lay rates. And that's just one optimization. There are tons. Anyone that's good can reach an open to fclose rate of about 10%-20% if they try. Its just sometimes its more fun to fuck around and have fun than always going for the kill.
/r/seduction24/02/20 04:53 AM
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Damn that's crazy. What city?
/r/seduction22/02/20 12:35 PM
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The guy above you is making it sound way easier than it is. Walking up to someone cold and treating them as a person is a fast way to get rejected. Nobody is going to stop in middle of their day to have a 30 min casual chat with someone on the street. A lot of game is mostly focused on creating a situation where open/genuine communication is possible when a girl is approached in challenging situations. But people misunderstand game thinking you use it constantly throughout the entire interaction…
/r/seduction22/02/20 12:31 PM
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Similar to you...like I'd rate my average mood on an average day an 8/10. But I'm more type A - its not that I'm always relaxed, its that stress is a positive emotion for me. Anxiety becomes excitement. Stress becomes drive. That sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 10:09 PM
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Fear/anxiety have logical and emotional components to it - and they're independent of each other. Like you're experiencing, you have have a mentally clear mind but your emotions are running wild anyways. That's no different than a dude who wants to jump out of a plane but he still feels the emotional stimulation of doing do that might keep him in the plane. You can't really control emotions via logic - you have to use emotions to control emotions. You channel the feelings into things like purpos…
/r/seduction21/02/20 08:37 PM
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I disagree. Men are angry that women only sexually desire chad. And everyone else is essentially a non-person. However, the TRP definition of chad is also not correct - men focus too much on value (looks, height, etc) over what really matters. The tingles. That's the ONLY thing that matters in attraction. If there was a tall dude that stacy thought - ok this dude is interesting and a midget that stacy gets tingles for. Guess who is gonna get stacy? TRP tried too hard to logically describe woman'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:16 PM
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There is value game - which is what you're talking about. And there is 'signals' game which operates on the emotions that women run on. A lot of game is value game, and you try to use value to trigger emotions that resemble chemistry. Signals game is direct to emotions. An example of this is triggering shittests on purpose to build attraction instead of flirting. Old school PUA game (like mystery) is value game. Modern game is signals game.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:20 PM
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Formal definition of hypergamy is incorrect and doesn't cover your case, but RP's overall lesson still applies. Girls chase tingles. RP focuses too much on physical attraction because they wanted to break away from PU stuff that focuses on creating emotional chemistry. They both aim to achieve the same thing, which is to create tingles - but I get the distinct impression that a lot of RPers are disillusioned PUA type guys who failed to succeed with game/PU. So they say PU doesn't work and the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:46 PM
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Boys grew up thinking "just be yourself" and "looks don't matter, only personality does" I would say just 20 years ago it wasn't about personality. Who you got was based on your looks and how much money you made. Who you were was who you were and it was immutable / didn't matter. The PU movement made men aware that personality could change the girls one could attain.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 05:07 PM
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Jeff Bezos should be used as a poster boy for money doesn't attract hot quality chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:51 PM
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You should a adopt a more process orientated method to approaching. Then your mood/state won't matter.
/r/seduction19/02/20 04:29 PM
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Well I know that some guys can 'lose the urge' if they don't have sex for awhile. Like if they're stuck in work monk mode its like their dick stops working (happened with jesse from simplepu where he lose his sexual appetite and it lead to his long term gf leaving him). As guys get older they need to put some energy into their libido more than if they were teenagers. But if they're not familiar with this kind of thing - then they never do it. Unfortunately you cannot lead a horse to water. So yo…
/r/seduction16/02/20 04:00 PM
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Assuming you're already cute and well dressed. The biggest factor is making it easier to be approached. Like a girl walking around slowly by herself is more likely to have someone approach her, than a girl powerwalking with her friends. There are a lot of guys who are too shy to approach a girl with headphones in or texting, so you can't do either of those things. I'd imagine the lowest hanging fruit is walking around slowly looking at stuff until some guy tries to strike up a conversation.
/r/seduction16/02/20 03:44 PM
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Constantly improve yourself - be it emotional fitness, physical fitness, or mental fitness. If you're not moving forward, you're not stagnating, you're actually moving backwards - a dude that stops lifting isn't just frozen in time and with the body he has, he starts losing it. The other is be a person she's excited to be around. Its interesting to me most here say the 'honeymoon phase always ends' when I've made it last 10+ years and its still going strong through my own due diligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 08:50 PM
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I'm starting to see a pattern here... Almost every harsh rejection I'm seeing posted is coming out of UK.
/r/seduction13/02/20 11:46 PM
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Yea, my mindset here is - I'm a better person today than yesterday. Its like they get to meet a new me. So lets try this again. Its as if its our first time meeting again. Sometimes I end up repeating things I've said to them before too - but as long as its right for the moment, its fine.
/r/seduction13/02/20 11:44 PM
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Nah, but its not like I've tried this 20x or anything. Just a handful. Its better than looking and feeling retarded though.
/r/seduction13/02/20 11:33 PM
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Was this in the US?
/r/seduction13/02/20 11:27 PM
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Has happened to me a few times. Girls give me that look of recognition, you can kinda tell. And I just say something along the lines of "well, at least my tastes are consistent. how about we start over?" And sometimes I get a second chance.
/r/seduction13/02/20 11:26 PM
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Before you learn to game you need a massive social comfort zone first. I don't suggest trying to score a girl until you have the confidence of rolling up to girls and saying you're ready to fuck. The reason for this is a lot of social and physical escalation involves a ton of tension. The tension is felt on both sides, and if your comfort zone is too small, you're gonna bitch out and not do the right things to get the girl. This is what I suggest - go google "pickuplines" and roll through and do…
/r/seduction12/02/20 05:49 PM
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I don't think oneitis is love sickness. I think its pure uncontained love. Like its no different than a dude with anger issues who blows up on anything that irritates him. Its pure anger/aggression. The guys don't know how to meter himself emotionally. Strong emotions are like crack - people just want to keep guzzling it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 12:02 AM
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OP is larping though. Look through his post history. He's asking about basic social skills and was making posts in seduction as little as 1 month ago. And the rest of his posts are about video games. While sure, I'm sure he got a few easy successes in his life by being straightforward as most guys will. Its not consistent success because the life he's talking about he actually isn't living yet. His strategy is basically to 'become the rockstar' and girls will come into his life from that but it …
/r/seduction09/02/20 11:38 PM
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No balanced healthy relationship should want it. But I think FDS considers it an acceptable loss for the greater good because they can't get a dude to stick around otherwise. Making a dude wait and jump through hoops to get with a girl will create oneitis. Its the time/history/socially tested way of doing so. You should read a bit more about them and their demands set on men. The only way they can get it is by leveraging his oneitis instead of balancing the relationship by giving something back …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 11:34 PM
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It frankly sounds like you just sucked at it. And decided that because you suck - it must not work. Brilliant conclusion. Game won't work for everyone, just like not everyone can become a pro athlete. But having lived the life of a dude who pulled girls from starbucks in 5 mins or sets of girls off the street to my place from daygame. I know exactly how powerful it is and how good one can be. Guys like you are my fuel. I love it. You encourage me to keep going. Cuz...I'd never want to be you. I …
/r/seduction09/02/20 11:20 PM
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Ah so your strategy is ‘become the rockstar’ so girls will come to you. Because that’s easier than just living your life and flirting with girls that appear in it. Gotcha, gonna totally rearrange my life to pickup some bullshit hobby just to get girls. Sounds totally easy. Btw, why is everything future tense? Aren’t you already living this rockstar life since you’re preaching about it so hard? Because you’re making it sound like 8,9,10s aren’t just casually walking into your life right now but t…
/r/seduction09/02/20 11:07 PM
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I think you fundamentally don't realize the content of this sub. Its for guys who want to bat up consistently or become a dude that's like a player. And primarily do through adverse situations like cold approaching. So claiming that you don't need any special skills to get good at the above is fucking laughable.
/r/seduction09/02/20 07:48 PM
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I mean, your experiences completely validated my point. No amount of 'normal social joe who wants to genuinely talk to you' is going to make you stop and talk to a guy interrupting your day. This is exactly why we use tactics here. This is why I'm calling OP out for his shit post. This sub isn't for dudes looking only to get girls they can get off tinder or social circle - its for dudes looking to bat upwards or bat more frequently then they should be able to. Telling guys they don't need specia…
/r/seduction09/02/20 07:37 PM
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Its called oneitus. When you're with women who you care deeply for - you can't let it run rampant or it'll nuke your relationships. It fundamentally changes who you are from the king of the relationship to the bitch. So there are two solutions - never let oneitus exist in the first place. Or you create a self watch dog. Its basically a version of you when you were the one who got her attracted to you. And if you're about do something a bitch would do - it would stop you from doing it. It just st…
/r/seduction09/02/20 07:08 PM
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You're right about the cold approach. Which this subreddit is about. No girl is going to stop her day to talk 'average social joe' who rolled up on her at the park and get a date from it. That only happens in hallmark movies. It takes special skills to do this and this guy is claiming differently. Warm approach is you were introduced to the girl through friends or family.
/r/seduction09/02/20 06:40 PM
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Its cuz they want guys who make them tingle and are gonna stay around. But they can't tell the difference between who will or won't stay around off the bat. That's my conundrum with them as well - fds goal is trigger oneitus and you can't trigger oneitus in a dude and keep the tingles. They work against each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 05:44 PM
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FDS strategy's goal is to induce oneitus on the guy. So its also a means to keep him around. But ultimately it appears to keep the woman in charge of the relationship more as its about serving the woman's needs over the man's. Oneitus subvert's male RP instincts extremely well. RPW are women who wish their men were more RP - that means less oneitus. If you've built your relationship on taking advantage of male onetius then attempting to reverse course would be an act of self sabotage. I do not b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 05:40 PM
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Its like FDS was made to counter a toxic cultural-wide issue - trying to fix/find that one good thing in a garbage of bad. So was I'm wondering if you tried dating other cultures. Like instead of chowing through a lot of bad candy to find the good bits...just go get a bag of good candy. FDS strategies are pretty much how asians date. And I read the list on HVM - and asians are raised that way as well. Like I know a guy who won't date until he's bought a house for example. Asian guys are just loy…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 05:20 PM
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Out of curiosity, what race have you dated in the past that have mistreated you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 05:06 PM
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Your wants are based on needs, function on a different wave length than emotions operating on passion and desire. They both feel strong because, yea it sucks to not have food on the table. So maybe you get a guy who can put food on the table. So your need is fulfilled. But now you realize he doesn't make you tingle anymore. Things like passion and desire fundamentally operate on something you can't get or have. That's why you get guys who have intense passion lose it when they've hit their goals…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:38 PM
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PUA is absolutely casted in a bad light. I'd even go as far as to say that the meteoric rise of RP and its philosophies was due to everyone trying to shit so hard on PUAs. A lot of guys are now kind of RP even if they never visited reddit or read anything about redpill stuff. Its almost a cultural thing at this point. Even kids know about shit like 'thot patrolling'. They're raised with hypergamy right in their faces with insta, tiktok, snapchat, etc. I think men who are completely bp who are ok…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:26 PM
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Were you raised liberal or conservative? And while you were dating would you say you were liberal or conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:12 PM
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Honestly, most of FDS strategies I read pretty much match traditional conservative mate selection strategies women use if they're super religious or come from a conservative household. Like they're not that far from asians dating in asia. The only problem is the male side of this equation is lacking. Even when the men are similar religiously conservative or socially conservative it still beta-fies the men over time. FDS has made it where the women are the ones trying to utilize this dating strat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:11 PM
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Do they say why it won't get some girls results? Because I bet it has to do with looks. Its like something similar with TRP - its meant for dudes with some existing degree of success but there's a lot of incel type guys trying to do red pill and nuking the few chances they have in life when being themselves would've had better results. I can see a FDS strategies working...if the woman passes a certain threshold of looks. But there are a surprising number of 'femcel' type women there too. IMO str…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 04:00 PM
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You create a set of go to topics. Not like a script. More like an idea that you can adapt to the situation so it seems organic. Then you can practice that topic and optimize it for game. I'm of the belief you can optimize any topic for game - but there are definitely some topics that make it super easy for game. For example - you can make a comment about how well dressed the girls are in a venue. And then segue into a conversation about how girls are sexual predators. Like you're just trying to …
/r/seduction09/02/20 03:38 PM
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Yea, I don't like seeing people peddling snake oil. Its like trying to tell a bunch of fat men that instead of exercise, take this bullshit pill.
/r/seduction09/02/20 03:23 PM
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You already know your shit won't work on a cold approach. So why are you posting this garbage on a sub about cold approaching?
/r/seduction09/02/20 03:09 PM
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How many girls a guy approaches depends on his success rate. A guy who absolutely sucks will hit on every girl - usually starting from the ones he finds most attractive and works his way down. A more successful guy may warm up on less attractive girls so when he sees more attractive chicks he's up to them already socially warm. I guess maybe in super rare cases - there are guys who obsess over one girl and is infatuated with her. But I've never met these guys before.
/r/seduction09/02/20 03:08 PM
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I agree with some of your points. Especially the last one. My game is based on making her intense sexual desire for me. If you read my comments in PPD - I state exactly that. I even talk about advanced game that communicates on an instinctual level with women, a step beyond emotional communication. That's why I'm going around saying - being average in any way, being kind of funny, etc ISNT ENOUGH. And you're saying exactly the same thing. In the end, the only thing that matters is emotions she f…
/r/seduction09/02/20 02:58 PM
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I think we’re talking about two different things. I think you’re thinking I’m talking about average/cute/looks-match chicks. When in reality people who are cold approaching are doing it on the hottest girls they can find. I find it completely unbelievable that an average dude can get a hot girl from average joe social skills. If that were the case, we’d see tons of dudes batting up all the time. But we don’t. This isn’t incels - we’re not talking about how it’s impossible to get girls without th…
/r/seduction09/02/20 08:02 AM
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Responses like this make me think either you’re way better looking than you think or you’ve never cold approached in your life. Go to the mall, talk to a girl that’s walking. And try talking to her like how you’re describing. I will be amazed if she even stops to look at you.
/r/seduction09/02/20 05:27 AM
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I think that’s cuz they’re trying to apply visual game to a text based dating platform. I’m willing to bet those ‘chads’ had shit ads in general. For example one of my ads from an alt account was one of the top 10 posts all time in r/bdsmpersonals - I must’ve gotten over 100 responses to it. Some 3 years later. I met like 10-20 chicks from it from reddit. Zero pics. All from just a really well written ad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 05:06 AM
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I’m pretty much doing everything in this post and more. I took it step further and am visibly fit and well groomed and fashionable. It is not enough to get a girl. I don’t know if OP has actually done a cold approach before - but being well put together and talking to a stranger with basic social skills won’t get eye contact from her. Much less a number that’s going to lead to more.
/r/seduction09/02/20 04:37 AM
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It is that hard because you have no idea what it’s like to be a dude who has had to fight for every second of time from a woman. The moment I open - I have to do game or she’ll completely ignore me. I’ve timed it - on average I can get about 10s of attention from a girl if I don’t use game. Just trying to talk and be a funny person doesn’t work. And I’m more than likely considerably more confident, fit, and funny than you are. This is fundamentally why a lot of my responses are specific and tact…
/r/seduction09/02/20 04:31 AM
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You weren’t meeting every girl they were doing the dirty with. I guarantee they’re weren’t only hooking up with girls in their league. They probably only brought out the ones they were ok to be seen with in public. Like my friend he had 8s as fwb - and those would be the only girls we’d meet in person. But we talk and he sends me pics of girls he does on the side who were one-offs he’d never take around his friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 11:00 PM
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It sounds crazy that some girls you approached reported you for trying to kidnap them. Especially since they're going to college, random people are gonna talk to them there. I can't watch the full video now, but I scrolled through the comments and saw how every single one was shitting on the 'journalist'. Watching all this bullshit news about PUA this or that makes it sound like people are against hitting up on girls. But that really isn't the case, most people are cool with it. Like check out t…
/r/seduction07/02/20 10:24 PM
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First impression only comes into play if you've met/introduced yourself. If you're just mucking around her area, she won't remember you unless you did something that caught her attention.
/r/seduction07/02/20 09:58 PM
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Guys don't only for whats in their league. They're just looking to get their dick wet and sometimes its easier to order a burger than cook up a steak. I have a friend I think is a 7.5-8 - he gets 8s off tinder infrequently (every other month) but can get 7s (really cute) and 6s(kinda cute) off girls every week. So he ends up with more often with kinda cute girls cuz they're down to go to his place right off tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 09:46 PM
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I think that whole pedo thing is mainly dudes around young kids, like 10yo or younger. Like I think most moms would see a single dad with his daughter and think he might be a pedo. I'm not sure since I'm not a single dad. If I did the rapid fire approaches and assuming some were underaged - it would depend on where I was at. If I was in a city - nobody would care. I think it would have be in a small venue and do A LOT for someone to care. Like I've been in a Target - opened 5 girls in 30 mins an…
/r/seduction07/02/20 09:22 PM
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Yea, I've heard UK is its own special brand of difficulty. Not sure if its feminism (we have it here too) - or just culture. In the US you can just rapid fire approach girls. Police don't have time for that shit - they're out shooting innocents somewhere. Security doesn't have time for it either because they're trying to stop people from walking out the door with stolen goods. The last thing they give a shit about is some dude hitting on girls. I think most of PU was made for america since I kno…
/r/seduction07/02/20 09:00 PM
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Its hard to see on my phone right now but I'll check it out when I can view it from my desktop. I've accidentally hit on a few younger girls before - but I go in direct with a compliment. I usually make them smile first then figure out how old they are if I'm not sure. Never had a bad incident before. And I'm the dude what will roll up to girls on the beach and lay down next to them. When they're laying down - I have a much harder time being able to tell. Are you gaming in the UK or something? I…
/r/seduction07/02/20 08:49 PM
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Ok you have your way and I have mine. And mine works for me. I go in as soon as I see the girl. I stop them from walking, or on the phone, or whatever. I don't wait around wondering if they're of age or not. I've been doing this awhile and I've had zero problems with #metoo or law enforcement or mall security. I guess I'm not running into the issues you are cuz I've occasionally opened girls 1 or 2 months away from 18. I've never had problems from it. Edit: Just watched your vid. This definitely…
/r/seduction07/02/20 08:39 PM
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I practice what I preach and in my experiences negative first impressions are in the 5% or less range. Basically almost never. Anyone that’s outside is pretty much on their way to do something or are in the middle of something. I can’t recall the last time an attractive woman was standing around doing absolutely nothing.
/r/seduction07/02/20 07:53 PM
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This is interesting to me since I'm asian and I've gamed both. And there are stark differences but you can't tell by just looking at them. I'd say in general, western women (including westernized asian women) are more emotionally warm in general. But then I've talked to fobby asian girls who were just as warm - they're just kind of the minority. I'm talking mostly about USA here. While foreign asian women in general are emotionally cold and non reactive but I've found sometimes they don't mean t…
/r/seduction07/02/20 05:19 PM
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If you build some game you will stand out much more than back in the day. I'm seeing this when I approach. Girls will tell me they wish more men approached them in real life. And a lot of these girls were smoking hot. I've never met a girl that was happy with online dating - except the few lucky ones that met like their husbands on it.
/r/seduction07/02/20 04:49 PM
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Hmm, anything interesting from it? I can see it working - if the dude is doing it right.
/r/seduction07/02/20 04:46 PM
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I second this guy. I've taken girls off their headphones and sometimes active phone calls and got something good out of it. You really don't know how they'll react till you open them.
/r/seduction07/02/20 04:42 PM
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Ignore that guy. Open everyone. Be free. Don't limit yourself at the learning stage. Maximize your learning potential - don't handicap/cripple yourself with bullshit rules. Only after you're better with a good sense of what's going on then you can create rules to go by. Until then. Go hard.
/r/seduction07/02/20 04:37 PM
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I'm betting you're feeling tension/anxiety in the moment. Like 'fuck I could fuck it up' and you care because you like the girl - so you think its better to not try instead of risking rejection because its the easy way. But in the end, the girl rejects you anyways for not making a move. With girls you don't like as much - you don't care about fucking it up, so you don't feel the same tension/anxiety. I suggest the following: Recall the tension / anxiety you felt when the moment came up and you f…
/r/seduction07/02/20 04:35 PM
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Dates are really only a means to an end. I don't think guys really want to get dates - but if they don't know any other way then they gotta live with it. The purpose of them is to setup an optimal scenario for discovering chemistry between two people. Usually they're just guy + girl in a location where they can chat between each other for a set aside amount of time. The guy then has breathing room to do his best to capture her interest/attraction.
/r/seduction06/02/20 08:42 PM
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It depends if you're looking to hook up or have a relationship. If you're looking for a relationship - you're probably looking for a 2 way emotional connection (guy <-> girl) and that's a hard issue to solve since its unique to each person. But if you're looking just to hook up - things become easier. Then its just a 1 way emotional connection (girl -> guy). Then the advice given here can potentially help you.
/r/seduction06/02/20 08:38 PM
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Solid examples. I think normal people will say stuff like 'i only date girls who don't play games' to rationalize away why they don't need stuff like this. While the above are obvious examples, the girls will only shittest as aggressively as to match her attraction level. The shittests giving in the post are examples of a girl who is extremely highly attracted so they're blunt and aggressive. If a girl is only moderately interested (low level attraction) she'll shittest in more subtle ways. Mayb…
/r/seduction06/02/20 02:16 PM
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I've found women who claim being cold approached a lot are counting aggressive cat calls, hobos, very old creepy men, and random struck up conversation as being approached. Basically someone you wouldn't find trying to do it honestly. Like a dude doing it for real/has skills is groomed, dressed nice, and aren't creepy. Girls almost never get approached by guys like this.
/r/seduction06/02/20 01:57 PM
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We call them shittests - they happen because the girl wants to make sure how she feels matches the situation. So they will verbalize it. Lets say you're being sold something by a salesman - it sounds really good, you may say 'do you say this to every customer?' - to see if this guy will get thrown off his script. If reacts, then your trust in what he's saying will drop and you'll start to disengage. If he remains congruent/genuine, then you'll start to trust what he's saying more. In the short t…
/r/seduction06/02/20 01:50 PM
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When a girl see you looking at their lips - they think about their lips. When their lips are on their mind they think about kissing. Guys do it too - think about your lips when you're talking to someone of the opposite sex. This is similar to, you smile when you're happy. But you can feel good by just smiling. It has interesting application in game when you force IOIs from girls. For example, if you open a girl out of position and keep talking to her and she grows more interested, she'll eventua…
/r/seduction06/02/20 05:23 AM
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Directly just cold approaching and not PU? Well I had horrible general social anxiety - kind of a select mute type. Was introverted, and low energy. Zero sense of purpose or passion. Kind of dull and very boring. Cold approaching fixed everything. No more anxiety. Replaced with excitement and confidence. Now I'm ambivert but some people consider me an extreme extrovert now. It depends where I am. One big thing is knowing I have options - instead of just hoping on luck god will drop a girl in my …
/r/seduction06/02/20 05:12 AM
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"I like the way you flirt" And depending on the situation, "Looks better in person, wanna come over?"
/r/seduction06/02/20 05:01 AM
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They're verbalizing they want your dick. They aren't saying that to exchange numbers. Girl, "You're cute." Guy, "Wanna get out of here?" If she's good to go right then, then great, you skipped a bunch of steps. If not, she'll shittest you. Counter shittest and then do it the slow way through escalations. Then go home with her.
/r/seduction06/02/20 04:34 AM
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Girls don't want 'betas' learning to be 'alpha', they just want guys that are born awesome to hit on them. It is almost shockingly eye opening how strongly women are against learning how to a better dude if its done in a systematic way. Its like a girl who loves fit men but doesn't want dudes who worked out in the gym to be fit. She just expects him to be 'naturally fit'. In the end it doesn't matter at all because the end result is the same.
/r/seduction06/02/20 04:22 AM
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Not that I’ve seen. Even my local lair “Casanova crew” which had 100s-1000s of active PUAs recently closed down and deleted their forums.
/r/seduction05/02/20 09:26 PM
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Have a few pre-memorized spikes for specific scenarios. And make the rest your normal conversation. It’ll at least show you the emotional state you want girls in for pickup to work. What country are you doing this in?
/r/seduction04/02/20 06:00 PM
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Haha, damn. I've gone into victoria's secret (woman's underwear store) to open girls in there and I haven't gotten a reaction like yours before. That's just bad luck man. But whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
/r/seduction03/02/20 08:58 PM
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It sounds like you're not getting enough attraction. They're appreciative of the approach but comment on it in a logical way. A girl who is attracted (emotional) can't really speak their mind like that - they're usually so dialed in on the moment its like they're operating on instinct instead of thought. If you're just using casual conversation (no game and no spikes) to get girls this is kind of what you'll get out of it.
/r/seduction03/02/20 08:54 PM
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If you do anything long enough - it becomes the authentic you. Kind of like learning any sport. The thing about PU is this emphasis on being authentic - that comes AFTER you've learned as many skills as you can. And AFTER you've done your best at learning them. And AFTER you've gotten decent success. Not before. Line this up with how someone learns a martial art. They're trained in how to hold their fist and strike. It feels weird as fuck. But its the move that works better than some skinny kid …
/r/seduction03/02/20 08:45 PM
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Yep, that's pretty much it. Girls feelings are #1 - if you can see it from that side, all this stuff makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:59 PM
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Aggressive guys in the sense they know when to escalate correctly. Not as in needy behavior. Like kiss her when she's ready to be kissed - not ask for permission and wait another hour to do it vs some dude trying to manhandle a kissing when she isn't ready for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:48 PM
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How many guys did stuff like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:46 PM
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You're misunderstanding the 80/20 rule for women. While women will say 20% of men are good looking/above average, women aren't attracted to that whole 20%. Like I can look at a girl and say 'she's a good looking woman' but at the same time I could also say 'I'm not attracted to her'. On average women only see men they're attracted to between 1%-5% of the male population. I'm saying they're specifically will feel attraction towards guys. Not just acknowledge the guy is good looking. And each woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:39 PM
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Guys your family, friends will always have a higher opinion of you compared to strangers. Unless you're a total tool of course. Don't listen to what they say about how handsome you are, its bullshit. If you're not getting attraction signals in real life from random girls - then you're not that good looking. I've seen guys go outside with filthy sweat pants and mess hair and haven't showered but girls still give them attention because they are hot and what they're wearing doesn't change that. Onc…
/r/seduction27/01/20 04:16 PM
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I think guys are approaching much less in general. You probably would've been approached fairly regularly like 10-15 years ago. But between bluepill white knights that bash guys who approach (like park poet) to feminists telling guys approaching is creepy - and their own anxiety about approaching in the first place....Guys have decided to not approach anymore and try their luck online dating instead. Although there are ways to make it a lot easier to get approached. Its not only about the girls …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 03:55 PM
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Not if what I'm hearing from my cousins is correct. It seems like the girls confess their feelings to the guy after knowing them and it goes from there. I went to their weddings and asked 'who asked who out first?' and all of them gave me blank looks (went to multiple different weddings). So they don't seem to have a culture of just asking people out even if they're already friends. And the other one was girls would leave a note to a guy asking to be friends, but this seems to be a prelude to da…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 03:42 PM
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Yes, I've seen it in long term married asian female + white male couples. The women are fairly trim and attractive, and the men are fat lazy passive slobs. And some of these women had much more attractive/less beta partners in their dating history so it isn't like they only had limited options. The women retained high libido toward their partners even though from rumors the men can't really perform due to their size.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 03:20 PM
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In this vid - https://youtu.be/8FbiTGwhYy0?t=319 This is standard plowing - non-reactive to the girls silently disengaging them and just continuously dropping lines until they react and engage him. Its the same thing todd is doing except todd feels more 'robotic' even though limitless is clearly using pickup lines like he's memorized a list but he 'feels' more natural. This straight PUA stuff. In this vid - https://youtu.be/Xiqd9UGuW8w?t=22 The girl shittests him right away - he's nonreactive an…
/r/seduction25/01/20 09:19 PM
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For me, 99% of my lays were conversions. I'm not a physically attractive enough guy to get consistent casual sex easily from cold approach. Limitless is clearly a pua - I mean the first hint is he's rolling up on girls/sets during the day sober - but even if not I can identify the tactics he's using that pretty much came from old school pua forums. He's just gotten so good at it, it looks smooth and natural. Which is the goal most guys want to reach with practice and time. The whole point I'm tr…
/r/seduction25/01/20 08:26 PM
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Try starting small Go up to a girl - ask 'wheres the bathroom?' do this till you don't hesitate asking a cute girl for the bathroom. Then (and you can do this to the same girls again) - go up to to girls and give them an honest compliment - you can stand around trying to think of one. Do this till you don't hesitate doing this anymore. Then next, go up to girls with nothing planned out / no script or anything besides, hey or yo to get their attention. And then you gotta think of one on the spot,…
/r/seduction25/01/20 05:31 PM
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Back when we had lairs, the coaches/bootcamp instructors would do some kind of circuit tour to each major lair - pitch themselves, and then offer a discount to take some guys out. It was pretty well known back then that most coaches were only for strictly newbies and hardcases and guys who wanted shortcuts. Guys that our local advanced dudes couldn't help. Otherwise, our local advanced PUAs would help the newbies the best they could. There were definitely better skilled local dudes than bootcamp…
/r/seduction25/01/20 05:11 PM
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I've never head of force attraction...any offhand examples?
/r/seduction25/01/20 05:01 PM
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I've met guys like 1 of 10. They basically get blown out of every set except one that's actually into them or just being very polite. I've noticed they all basically have extremely poor body language skills or grooming skills. Super easy things they could fix that could turn their 1 of 10 to like 5 of 10. Also depends on location, LA and NYC are harsher places to open than girls in some random suburb.
/r/seduction25/01/20 04:47 PM
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Ok, you're probably looking too big picture here, thinking, hey success ONLY means if he got the girls. That's not what I'm trying to point out there. Disinterest, disengagement is the result of a girl's shields. Things they use to keep themselves aloof and disengaged emotionally from the guy that's talking to them. Their strategies involve ignoring, not responding, or telling him strictly they're not interested. The moment the girls start emotionally reacting to the guy, they've lost their shie…
/r/seduction25/01/20 04:36 PM
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RSD is very physically and intent direct, just not verbally. In terms of skills verbally direct is pretty much shit tier game because it means you can't display intent through the modes of communication women prefer to communicate on. Reread these modes - see them as behaviors, not just stuff that comes out of your mouth. Mode One behavior – characterized as highly self-assured, up-front, unapologetic and straightforwardly honest Mode Two behavior – characterized as pleasant, polite, cautious an…
/r/seduction25/01/20 04:24 PM
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Sometimes plowing works: https://youtu.be/8FbiTGwhYy0?t=319 https://youtu.be/Xiqd9UGuW8w?t=22
/r/seduction25/01/20 01:13 AM
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It depends on how you cold approach then. I only bother getting #s if we’ve kissed. On tinder - i only go for # if there’s some sexual bantering going on. If someone’s getting #s much earlier on then I can see why the dates may not be as warmed up. In my experience - the more you accomplish on the first meet of cold approaches can shave off a lot of time on dates. So if I make out with a girl I met in day game - I can get it almost right away on the date instead of working towards it during it. …
/r/seduction24/01/20 03:28 PM
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I’m talking about emotionally warm vs cold. Dates from cold approach the women are friendly and interested. They’re emotionally warm. Tinder dates start off meh - some have shields up even if the texting was on point. They start off emotionally cold.
/r/seduction24/01/20 03:21 PM
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I haven't read the book, just some details I could scrounge up. This is what I could find: > Mode One behavior – characterized as highly self-assured, up-front, unapologetic and straightforwardly honest Sounds like basically RSD verbal game.
/r/seduction23/01/20 08:33 PM
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Todd is great and all - I like his informative videos because he is generally correct. But his execution of it is not that great. He's just way better as a teacher/coach than someone who shows by example. I recommend looking up limitlessexp on youtube. He's a pick up troll but he makes approaches seem a lot more natural. And also demonstrates a lot of game to the point where he converts 'off girls' to 'on girls'. Something a lot of guys here don't believe is possible for those who follow Mark Ma…
/r/seduction23/01/20 05:54 PM
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Then why are you here?
/r/seduction23/01/20 05:49 PM
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To add to yours. I've dated girls from tinder vs cold approaching. Not counting the straight hookup, the tinder dates are starting from cold. While if cold approached a girl and setup a date with her - they're usually warm and friendly off the bat on the date. Its a night and day difference.
/r/seduction23/01/20 05:46 PM
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For the same reason incels shit on pickup and claiming it doesn't work. They don't want to be believe they can change their circumstances through effort. Its same thing as some fat women claiming they're fat because genetics and not through shitty diet habits they can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:32 PM
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Well we're not talking about in the face of law. All criminals run away from cops. But in normal social situations - the 'criminal/emotional survivalist' types tend to emotionally dominate the space they're in. Like drop a ex-con in a room full of desk workers. He'll stand out even if he looks like the rest of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:17 PM
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I guess if your 'effect' is basically saying he's shorter than the expected so they find him less attractive - then yes. But it goes for all physical aspects, not just height. Most of these buff dudes on movies aren't as buff/shredded in real life - camera tricks, lighting, and filters do a lot. Plus they're only in peak condition just for the movie. So if a girl discovers his 8 pack is only a 4 pack or he just ate a pizza and has a tummy like a chubby guy, it'll hurt him too. This is just the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:14 PM
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Coke. I've seen more hot girls go for those guys than weed dealers. You don't even need to deal, just suggest it sometimes if you sense the girl is more wild and she'll be down to 'party' at your place. No real game needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:57 PM
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This is not redpill theory, this is PUA theory. But it'll get to the same point. Women tend to feel attraction towards the one that makes them excited. Like their heart beats faster when the guy looks at them, their skin tingles when the guy touches them. And they feel butterflies when spoken to. These are the same side effects of excitement in a slightly different context. Put a negative spin on the same feeling and you end up with anxiety/fear. This is how flexible emotions are depending on co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:53 PM
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Jesus christ. I love how crazy you are. You must be wild in bed if you get this twisted up from some words on the internet. Well, I hope that strategy works for you and you find your knight in shining armor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:57 AM
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One of the best dudes I hung out with averaged 1 out of 4 was a day game cold approacher who met girls in coffee shops and malls and took them home in 30 mins. But this guy didn’t talk about it online or anywhere. You won’t find people anywhere claiming to be able to consistently day game pull. I get why you don’t believe this. I wouldn’t either if I wasn’t there at the time and his roommate for a few months. In my observations, most accounts of pua successes are from guys who are coaches. In my…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 09:55 PM
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I come here to say guys need both A and B to do well with women and have a long term successful relationship. But mostly I get are both sides against me. Women are especially salty about it for some reason. I come from a particularly unique pov that I think benefits most the guys here as well. I'm extremely beta looking despite lookmaxxing and yet have access and success with attractive women which I fully attribute to learning PU game. Learning A isn't easy - so I do my best to answer honest qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:36 PM
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Lol where did I say not having sex right away is bad manners? And I’m not against a wait before sex if it’s a natural outcome of the situation. I’m against the premeditation and calculation of it. Both this strategy and RP strategy involve devaluing the other party in order to get ahead. That’s why I compared it negging. Any strategy that works by devaluing the other person will have negative results down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 03:51 PM
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The highest guy I personally met was 30% and I met a ton of 10%+ approach to lay rates. There's at least a couple in every major city. 10% is not at all god-like, more like that's pro-tier to at least play the game not like amateur. Anything less than that is pretty much random luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 02:32 PM
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I’m not sure why people keep saying this. Some weird projection going on. I absolutely adore women. Like everything about them. I don’t even think there’s anything wrong with modern day dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 10:45 PM
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I'd say like yours, eye contact and shittest are vitally important. I'd add learning how to communicate emotionally or tapping directly into their lizard brains was a huge breakthrough in game for me.
/r/seduction21/01/20 08:15 PM
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The only men that don't bond with women they're sleeping with is men who constantly have new partners. I reached this point when I was younger and sleeping with 2-3 new girls / week for around 6 months. Men with high n-counts can regain their bonding emotions if they abstain from dating for awhile. So basically guys who broke their pair bonding brain are only that way if they're actively with new girls, not if they've had high N counts from past encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:10 PM
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I'm fine with the idea of affection pacing (I mean guys have this issue too, they show too much interest and the girl bounces) - which is what you're describing here. But raw desire isn't a 1 person only thing. With sexual chemistry both parties have it and that'll result in significant pair bonding. Men often lament about the 'best lay of their lives' just as much as girls think about that one guy they can't get out of their head. That sort of strategy would be more effective than the previous …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:03 PM
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Is commitment your only goal though? Because I never denied it will get commitment. My assertion is it will cause longer lasting damage to the relationship moving forward. The discussed strategy will trigger oneitis which has a negative long term effect of stripping a man of some traits that women tend to find attractive. An example of this is he is overly concerned about the emotional wellbeing of his woman to the point where the relationship gets boring. I mean, this only matters if all you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:29 PM
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I've found a lot of people with stunted game skills skipped this part. They focused on not being cringe and sabotaged their own learning potential. Go hard first, then settle back to something comfortable. Not being cringe is a luxury for guys who already have skills - not for newbies who have no idea of how anything works.
/r/seduction21/01/20 05:36 PM
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Insecurity doesn't go away on its own just because you got better at stuff or improved yourself. There are plenty of guys really good at stuff that think they suck at it (impostor syndrome) and remain insecure and not confident. At some point you need to have the positive thoughts to go along with it. There are lot of cocky confident guys that have nothing going for them except for the fact they are cocky and confident. Now I'm not saying go out and be a wet facade of fake confidence and fake ti…
/r/seduction21/01/20 05:11 PM
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I'd offer some middle ground. Some guys can't approach without state - they have to 'feel the girl and want her' before approaching. Which is kind of dumb, just make the decision and approach. Make it habit and you can eventually make it so any girl you pick is the one you want. Another version of 'having state' is being so in the flow with game that they can't game without it. It helps them fight off AA, hold frame, and game better. Instead of state, feel a sense of purpose. You can't control f…
/r/seduction21/01/20 04:55 PM
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Where are you seeing I have baggage scoring chicks?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 04:43 PM
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You're projecting. I'm not at all emotional over this topic. Just pointing out how it doesn't jive in my experience. Congrats on marrying and finding a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 04:37 PM
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I want neither. First I'm only here because I do pickup. And RP and pickup are kind of retarded cousins - so I'm here a few times. I enjoy girls finding me sexual desire-able and wish to maintain the skill through approaching and pickup. The other is I prefer long term partners and not rapid one night stands. I enjoy spoiling the shit out of girls (buying stuff and going to nice dinners and dates) but I'll only do it if she genuinely sexually desires me. To me that's is the most gratifying. Goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 04:32 PM
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You say that, yet a year ago you're asking questions like why can't guys be alpha/beta? Which I'm guessing you mean, why can't a guy be sexually desirable but also a caring committed provider? I'm an example of that sort of guy. But your strategy wouldn't get a guy like me. I think your strategy get the beta half but scare away the guys with any inch of alpha. As I said, they'd see through it. Its not as rare as a combination as you think. Its just they find their partners very early on (like in…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 04:23 PM
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Well, I was referring to a specific kink community of submissive guys since poly stuff is also part of the kink community. Things like findom and submissive fetish go hand in hand. And there are a lot of surprisingly good looking fit rich guys who have both kinks. And there's only mostly ugly girls in it, so average girls could clean house. Its almost a trope that the controlling CEO on his off time likes to be a submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 04:16 PM
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And I'm saying its not a good one. You're going to lose the guys who would otherwise commit but see through the strategy as girls see through negs. This sounds equivalent as a final option strategy, when all other ones have failed. Like your last red button. A nuke, its mutual destruction to get commitment. I think there are options out there that less destructive to get what you're looking for. Because I know there are lot of guys that want someone to commit to who are not losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 04:10 PM
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Actually, I've found most girls to be lovely and they've treated me extremely well. I'm not against having good filters - I'm all for it. I'm against having deliberate acts that devalue the other party on purpose. Its like using mystery's 'negs' on girls. If you don't think those are ok, then deliberately making men wait isn't ok either. I know about 20+ attractive girls who haven't had any trouble finding a man and getting commitment from them and they don't play games like this. I would argue …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 04:02 PM
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You'd be surprised at how hot, jacked, and well off some of these submissive men are. And how not picky they are with women as long as the woman is slightly more dominant then they are. Maybe landwhales will get the bottom of the barrel. Its just in general that community has a lot of fatties and unattractive women in it. A real world 6 would be an 8 there and will get their pick of the litter. I don't really see that sort of relationship being any different than a woman looking to lock down a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 03:36 PM
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Her making him wait 3 months for sex is no different than a guy who says 'I'm deliberately late to my dates so they want me more' or 'I make girls wait 3 days before texting them so they miss me'. Its just a powermove to see how much of a bitch the other party is and how badly they want the other person. And doing it so soon sets the mood for the entire relationship. Its not like this behavior is going to stop once they have sex. She has full power to do whatever she likes to him because he was …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 03:23 PM
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Yea there are. And there are guys whose fetish is to have a girl spend all their money. There are submissive rich beta bux men out there climbing all over each other for any girl on fetlife but here we are with single moms struggling on tinder instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 03:14 PM
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Not disagreeing with you here, but its clear they're using a hard filter. They're specifically selecting for guys that will put her needs first and every time. Basically its for finding a perfect submissive partner who will stay with her when she stops putting out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 09:03 PM
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The women aren't just stringing along one dude like that. They have multiple irons in the fire. And probably a few fuckbuddies to keep them company. Their strategy is only going to work with thirsty guys willing to wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 09:00 PM
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Saw that too...I mean props for Todd for staying in and trying to stack plow a disengaged group of girls. But yea, it was cringe. Are there any vids of him doing something similar but the girls eventually engage?
/r/seduction19/01/20 10:07 PM
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The girls doing this didn't stand in front of me and grab me and go 'hi'. They were often drive by gropings like pushing through a crowd and gone in 1 second. Sometimes I didn't even see their faces. I said fitness doesn't matter compared to game. If you've got nothing, zero female attention. You'll get some through fitness. But if you've got no game, no idea how any of it works. It won't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 07:35 PM
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I feel like whatever I'm going to say, you're going to going say something this way or that, its too sexual, its not sexual enough, etc. I'm like man, I'm already pretty happy with my results from cold approaching, I'm not looking to pick up online dating. Its nice it seems you're getting results off it, but there are plenty of people who just aren't. You're literally the first person I've seen that advocates online dating over real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:31 PM
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I'm pretty much done with online dating. Not going back to it. My convos there were fast closes. #s in 5 messages or less and a phone call to setup a date. Met a few girls, zero flakes or ghosts. I don't really have issues with girls once I have them on hook. For example here's a convos: https://imgur.com/a/5HlVOKv Problem was matching the girls I wanted. I'm 36 a asian dude and I wasn't matching under 25yo, 7+, white, latina, asian, black chicks. I see a lot of these girls out and about every d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:20 PM
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They both don't work well for me dude. What part of this aren't you getting? I'm physically like a 4-5. I've photoshopped and optimized my pics. The best I can get off tinder is 30+ yo 6s. Socially its a huge fucking timesink for barely payoff because of my age group. People try to set me up with girls of my race (asian) and my age range (30-50s...lol I've been setup with 45yos). I enjoy women of all races and typically below 30s in age. Unless I want to pick up a bullshit hobby I don't care abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:01 PM
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It works for me. I can't get 7-8+ women through my social circle or online dating. But I can through cold approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 04:52 PM
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I've found self investment is only good enough to elevate above 'loser' status to average status. But unless you have the means become physically chad looking additional money, fitness, etc doesn't matter. I spent a huge chunk of 20s getting rich and fit. It doesn't add any value - for example, I have a 1million+ value house (and getting another) and nice cars. I'm not kinda sort well off, I'm entering 'high net worth' region in my mid 30s. I'm was also much more fit, guys would say shit to me l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 04:44 PM
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Its TRP. TRP was organized by the 2nd and 3rd gen PUAs into a comprehensive theory instead of individual wisdom. These guys are between 30-40s now, which are millenials. Blackpill is a separate thing, its as related to TRP as incel is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 09:34 AM
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Anxiety in the hands of someone who knows what he's doing can easily be turned into excitement (basically they're the same emotion 'tension' with different contexts). Tension is a common tool in PU to do emotional fluxations between anxiety and excite in order to generate and maintain attraction. The goal isn't to burn out the girl but to sustain 'relationship honeymoon' feelings for as long as possible. If TRP talks about burn out then those dudes fucked it up. I've been able to sustain honeymo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 03:44 PM
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Women don't lie about what they're into. Its just they really don't know. People replying to you keep talking about preferences, but it isn't preference that guides attraction, is how a woman FEELs that guides attraction. Maybe historically a woman has felt taller men were more attractive than shorter, but if she met a short midget that made her feel fireworks, she wouldn't ditch him over a tall man with ok feelings because of preferences. Game plays a huge role in 2nd step attraction that it ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 03:22 PM
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Probably never kissed/cuddled a girl before to experience it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 03:00 PM
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Your parent comment is more directed against asian girls. Especially from china, and korea. They treat asian guys like trash. I think chinese tops that list - its basically a matriarchy over there. Girls control everything and treat men like garbage. They expect asian guys to do everything and pay everything for them. Its kind of expected the asian guys are all beta bux to them. The only reason they date asians the most is because culturally they don't date random people. You have to be vetted b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 02:51 PM
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I'm not sure if a regular guy can. Guys who use signals game usually have it come from a place of very strong PU skillsets. Because you're inviting her to test you aggressively before there's any interest/attraction from her. Signals game isn't needed for PU, its just an 'endgame skill' because its super effective on very hot girls and very consistent because you're gaming her lizard brain vs going through her social filters. Like if you flirt with a girl, she might not like it because that type…
/r/seduction18/01/20 10:05 AM
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Signal game is the last level of game to learn. Its basically directly using signals to attract women and skipping the flirting stuff. An example of signal game is purposefully behaving in a way that triggers shittests as early on in the interaction as possible and passing them. You've probably seen it from mystery's peacocking to RSD's julien's crazy shit he says to girls. They're deliberately behaving (or in mystery's case, dressing) in a manner beyond just polarizing but borderline 'you can't…
/r/seduction17/01/20 07:55 PM
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Don’t do OLD - ive noticed in real life approaches chicks don’t care that much. OLD is like reading a resume. And there’s a 1000 pages stack of resumes to go through. Girls gonna be picky as hell. Irl approaching is inviting a girl to watch you hit homeruns on your turf. Girls got no one nearby to compare to and the ball is in your court to fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:45 PM
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The more attractive a woman is, the lower her N count. First time I’ve heard this. Can anyone else correlate/elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 04:01 PM
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The worst one is 'don't focus on women and they will come' or something along the lines of 'just focus on yourself'. Its advocating being passive. Ok, let me just work at work for 8 hours, workout for 2 hours, go home play video games and sleep. I'm sure god will drop a girl into my bed any time now. At least 'be yourself' implies you're somehow interacting with women.
/r/seduction14/01/20 11:50 PM
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You need to show interest to progress a social interaction towards a romantic outcome. So if you don't show any interest, it'll be platonic. So technically you're still being rejected, its just not in your face. Same goes for escalation, talking to a girl and getting her into you, just to miss all her signs to escalate is going to make her next you pretty fast. Ever miss a DTF signal and realize it later? lol. This is a realization that comes a bit later but the reasoning is: Making moves such a…
/r/seduction11/01/20 02:57 PM
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I never liked Hi as an opener. You're hoping the girl is nice and gives you a chance. Being an average dude - its pretty much instant rejection or a queer look at night clubs. Use Hey to get attention, and then lead with a tease worked better for me.
/r/seduction10/01/20 10:28 PM
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I've had something similar happen to me when I opened a girl who was clearly super awkward and got defensive when I asked if she was single. And then started a rant about how she's 'not looking for anyone or need anyone'. I responded with something like 'whoa, I'm just asking a question here.' very calmly. She apologized and cooled off. Said yes. But by that point, I was like 'man this is a red flag, I'm out of here.'. Girl got triggered over a question.
/r/seduction10/01/20 09:44 PM
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Hmm did you open direct or indirect?
/r/seduction10/01/20 09:22 PM
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Lol man, what did you say to her that got her mad?
/r/seduction10/01/20 09:07 PM
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I can't keep up with the terms here, UMC? Ok so this is back in my college generation like 10 years or so ago. I knew like 20 medical degree holding women who expected to be easily making $100k-$200k or more after college. Only 2-3 of these women are with guys who made comparable/more than them. Most married guys who made less, and about 5 are with guys who don't work at all. And I'm not like 'these are good stay at home dad' types, I'm talking about man children dead beat type of guys. None of …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 08:46 PM
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How old you look will impact if guys will approach you. It’s actually one of the few things that will make me hesitate on the approach if she looks underaged. I bet if you could make yourself look older you’d get male attention without having to go all out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 07:03 PM
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Hey, what's an honest assessment of your looks on a regular day (regular done up)? And age? I keep seeing in purplepill say that women who are 7+ get insane amounts of male attention all the time and yet my personal experience is showing me contrary and I'm seeing comments from women like yours saying you're not getting male attention. Men in general are not approaching as much anymore and its NOT because they have higher standards - its because they're told its creepy and being browbeaten down …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 06:34 PM
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Nobody is saying you have to learn a ton of trick just to game well. Each trick is just a tool you can or can’t use depending on your situation. There are car mechanics out there that can just use their hands and fix a car and others who need a heavy lift and a craftsman box the height of a human. You only need to learn tricks you if want to increase consistency rate or if you want to ‘level up’. That’s all.
/r/seduction10/01/20 04:32 PM
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Let me ask the following: Do you style your hair well? Do you wear fitted decent clean clothes? Do you groom your face well, brush your teeth, tongue, floss, and smell good? Are you fit? Do you stand well, and have generally good body language? If the answer is yes to all questions, then yes you're unattractive. If its no some, fix your shit first. Nobody wants to look at a dirty car.
/r/seduction10/01/20 12:46 PM
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First few questions, was this at a cheap club - say free entry or under $15. Second, was this a mostly asian club? If the answer is yes to either, then you're going to have a shit time even if you can dance.
/r/seduction10/01/20 12:24 PM
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It would be different. Opening game for girls follows a fairly strict rule in that you must trigger her emotions as early into the interaction as possible. His tease about stealing her water it did the job, if that didn't land with her, he might not get a 2nd chance. Guys don't require this because most guys don't communicate emotionally as much as logically and they don't register it as flirting, just being nice. I don't want to trivialize female PU strategy to just saying 'just compliment him …
/r/seduction10/01/20 12:16 PM
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Depends if I have to approach first and how challenging it is. Short answer is - if I don't have to approach - I'm ok with either. But if I have to befriend 4 of your friends at the same time, and fight off 2 dudes trying to cockblock me just to get my shot, then I'll only do it for a woman with a hot face. As the challenge of the approach decreases then the likelihood of me approach hot body increases. The most challenging I'm willing to put up with for a hot body but average face is during the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 12:01 PM
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If you also notice most of the woman who say they have similar shit happen to them are all much older women when they were tweens. As if times haven't changed since the 90s or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 02:04 AM
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The threshold is appearance of effort. This is the minimum, fitted clean clothes, normal styled hair, look like you take care of your skin, shave clean or take care of what you have. That's pretty much it. The rest is actually game to lock in or unfreeze a girl if she's not being engaging right away. Which is totally normal, nobody really expects to be approached so they have a natural engagement avoidance. But handled correctly - most girls will open up. Actual hard rejection rate even for belo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 01:41 AM
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Sounds like bullshit. I don't doubt there's catcallers and harassers and such out there, but I've approached a huge spectrum of women from average to stunning hot. Guys say that 7+ to 10 girls get run the gauntlet in terms of attention, but I can confidently say as someone who has approached a lot of these girls. A lot of these girls act like they don't get guys hitting on them at all. The hotter they are, the more friendly and open they are and will hold their side of the conversation. This doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 01:19 AM
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Do you take into account how hard it is for a guy to approach a woman these days? Mostly the people who do are crazy or old people who don't give a shit anymore, and the rest are people who think to themselves 'ok this chick is hot enough so its worth trying at least.'. Like you seem to think guys freely decide and choose which girls to approach. Most guys aren't approaching every hot girl they come across even if they have zero fear about it. Its not all looks. Circumstances play a huge role. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 01:08 AM
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Its pretty much killed all kinds of irl approaching even for normal guys. I have a friend in college of under 1000 students. 2 people were expelled for kissing girls who later regretted it. This has made PU a lot easier. There's less real life competition.
/r/seduction09/01/20 09:28 PM
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That's just how it is when you learn something new and hard. Just gonna suck at it for awhile before it starts to click. But he's improved 10x since then and is now at 50 approaches for 1 lay.
/r/seduction09/01/20 07:36 PM
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Are you in the US or somewhere else?
/r/seduction09/01/20 06:39 PM
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This may be because we're older, but when you know how to get good at stuff the lack of results isn't frustrating. Because we know our learning and skill attainment process will work eventually. We know we're steadily getting better and better - and sticking with it long enough with incremental improvement will mean you'll get good eventually. There's no rush to reach the end - whats the hurry?
/r/seduction09/01/20 06:38 PM
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Social gym is a good way to call it. It really is like working out your social skills - cold approaching is hard as fuck but it exercises those social skills better than anything else.
/r/seduction09/01/20 06:28 PM
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I'd say PUA is a dying movement not a growing one. And no - no one I've met (some who have approaches in the 1000s) nor myself have ever had anyone confront me about approaching women. In the US is pretty normal for strangers to talk to each other. Its only weirdos like that guy you linked to that would intrude on a conversation like that. Look at his pic, the dude is legit crazy looking.
/r/seduction09/01/20 04:24 AM
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Depends on how much you played into your lie about it. If you didn’t say that much about it you can just take her to your place and if she happens to bring it up just say they’re out.
/r/seduction07/01/20 04:37 PM
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Attraction is not a numbers game. It’s a skill. Calling it a numbers game is like calling a dude trying to sink shots into a hoop a numbers game. Attraction is directly correlated to the emotions you make a girl feel when she’s around you. The more you make her feel the more attracted she is. If your toolbox for making a girl feel stuff is limited to just one way of flirting or only making her feel good. Then you’re severely handicapping yourself. Not all girls are into teasing, not all girls ar…
/r/seduction07/01/20 12:36 AM
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So you're getting 20-29 yos off tinder?
/r/seduction16/12/19 01:46 PM
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"Its vibes bro" "Be yourself"
/r/seduction16/12/19 01:16 PM
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He's also 40 and in shape. I'm 35 and a 5-6 irl - and I'm also getting 6-7s off tinder all who are over 30. If you're fit and older you're gonna get cute/hot older chicks. It doesn't translate to girls under 30 though nor does it translate into real life.
/r/seduction16/12/19 01:14 PM
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Dude - you're doing it right. I had the same mentality as well. I was comparing approaching to death and that made PU easier. Hell - failing out of PU was also death cuz I knew I wasn't going to get any action the normal ways. It also sometimes helps to have something in your backpocket for the shitty girls out there so you aren't just taking a hit in the gut. Something I've used for really shitty girls was ask the group, "Is she always like this?" And the group usually shames her for her shitty…
/r/seduction16/12/19 01:07 PM
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For some reason I feel a lot less chemistry (barely any) with girls I meet up from OLD than the ones I meet up with in real life first. This also happening with you?
/r/seduction16/12/19 12:59 PM
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Yes most girls are not by default interested in most men unless you have at least one top tier value. But that doesn't mean you have zero chance - zero chance is complete disinterest - where they don't give you a chance at all. Where you're starting off at is neutral - you may only have one chance to make a neutral girl interested. If you don't make her interested within the first few seconds of meeting her - it becomes disinterest. This is why people say have good eye contact, smile, good body …
/r/seduction15/12/19 03:52 PM
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The emotional pacing goes like this - neutral, interested, attraction, sexually attracted. You don't just jump from one end to the other purely on verbal game. But all you need to get to started is a girl is 'interested'. And you can reach that low bar by teasing. Or by being hot. Almost every girl that allows a guy to speak is starting him off on neutral. In this space she has a short window to make her interested, if she isn't, she becomes disengaged and won't give you further chances. If you'…
/r/seduction15/12/19 03:26 PM
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I don't get where this mindset comes from. Its very very easy to see if you can create attraction or not. Open a girl and have a boring conversation. Most likely outcome - mostly nothing. Open a girl and have a similar conversation but tease her in it. Girl is interested/attracted. There's more legwork to be done from this point but it clearly shows that attraction can be created. When guys advocate screening girls and just seeing who sticks - it tells newbies who don't have any attraction game …
/r/seduction15/12/19 03:04 PM
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If you've got conversation going already and want to spice it up a bit, tease her. I didn't know how to organically tease a girl - so I basically memorized a few lines and waited for the right opportunity to use them. From there you kind of learn what generally spices up a conversation and now you have organic flirty game. Here is a list of some decent ones. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/kywt5/textingtalking_banter_list_take_it_or_leave_it/
/r/seduction15/12/19 02:28 PM
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Are you a chick? Your username suggests you are. Affection after hooking up is down to the type of attention you give to your partner after sex. This goes both ways too. Like the difference between if you tell your partner 'alright time to go' right after you nut vs cuddling with them for another hour. Course if you just kick a girl out - you may end up with a one night stand and she won't want to see you again. So you want something inbetween. I'd suggest no more than 5 mins of cuddling - and i…
/r/seduction15/12/19 02:19 PM
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Something along the lines of 'your smile is mischievous'. And later one another one was 'this is why we can't have nice things'. Very simple teasing. This was proof to me that attraction can be learned. So I went all in.
/r/seduction15/12/19 02:09 PM
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Girls get tingles from a funny or confident guy. Normal guys don't get tingles from a girl's personality. Pretty easy to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 01:44 PM
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There were four points. I had started out with opinion openers and regular conversation. I could get a girl to talk but I could tell it was shitty and boring. The first click was when I dropped a flirting line I straight out read from the internet somewhere, and the girl straight up GLOWED. Like her polite demeanor shifted instantly to what I now know as attraction. It literally just takes one line to get a girl interested. The second click is when I tested this a lot more and learned that after…
/r/seduction14/12/19 02:58 PM
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Daytime: High end retail areas - malls. Wholefoods, target, starbucks. Trader joes is the kind of foot traffic and hot older chicks. The problem is its tight and small. Nighttime: High end cocktail lounges in hotels. I've been hitting up 40+ yo hot business chicks from the above areas and they're like either way on or way off 50/50 of the time. Seems like if they're a little attracted they fully embrace it and help you out compared to girls who are little attracted and react lukewarm and expect …
/r/seduction14/12/19 02:32 PM
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Don't trust vibe - trust her actions after an attempt at escalation. The way I do it is try 1 spike and 1 escalation. In this case escalation is anything that enhances engagement. Like getting her hand and pulling her closer to me. I'm sure you've seen instances where the girl's vibe seems totally on but she's like 'no I gotta go back to my friends'. The opposite is true too, she may be totally into you, but her vibe isn't showing it.
/r/seduction14/12/19 02:25 PM
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PUA was a product of the times - back then it didn’t need to tell people to build themselves up first. Because it wasn’t as big of a problem back then as much as it was now. Additionally pua led to men’s clubs where meeting dudes who were legitimately successful with women was a regular thing. Having irl person to talk to who walked the walked helped guys learn the stuff rp waxes on about. Any intermediate level pua learned most of rp theory from experience. On the other hand - rp needed these t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 04:00 PM
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RP is theory - seduction is application. They’re not the same but to say they’re not connected is incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 03:22 PM
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I’ve seen it in r/seduction where some guys say it’s all about looks and game doesn’t matter. Or that they’re ugly so it’s automatically game over for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 03:10 PM
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I suggest cuddling with girls more right after fucking. Then hitting them up next day for another session or to just hang out. The thing that really shifts a girls mind from hookup to ltr is how well you give her after sex aftercare. This is you flipping the game from player-vibes to bf-vibes - but you don’t need to do it in a weak or beta way. I wouldn’t dilute your game with ‘beta’ behaviors because it will impact how well you can attract girls. Rather keep strong attraction skills but mix in …
/r/seduction12/12/19 03:00 PM
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You test them. You do things that trigger specific emotions and you test the emotions to understand what to do when you see it. By test I mean you try different things to it. You see a girl narrow her eyes, you can to tease them more, disqualify, or escalate, etc. and through this experimentation you learn the proper actions to certain reactions. Imo this is a necessary skill to learn. A critical skill for getting girls consistently is knowing when to escalate slow vs fast.
/r/seduction12/12/19 02:35 PM
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The perception of high value is result of how someone expresses their value value - which can come from looks, social proof, or vibe. So someone with player vibe can make some girls see them as high value. There are plenty of ugly rockstars - who if people didn’t recognize them could recognize their vibe and be attracted it.
/r/seduction12/12/19 02:31 PM
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Game and skill aspect comes into play in 3 ways. Cultivating the ability to open well. There is definitely skill involved in opening consistently well and getting girls to engage well. If anything, this is probably the most important skill because a good open leads to consistent attraction. A decent pua can get attraction well over 50% of the time. Not fucking up initial attraction and cultivating it is a skill in its own. But this isn’t enough, sustaining attraction is not enough to get one lai…
/r/seduction11/12/19 07:48 PM
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Yes, but it can be a little bit confusing. I've been approached before and when girls do it - I assume they're going to lead the interaction because they opened me. But its like bumble where they just go 'hey ;)' and expect the guy do still the heavy lifting. And despite the fact that I approach a lot - I get caught off guard when girls do it to me. Its really unexpected. Don't let that get to you - its just a very unexpected thing for a guy to experience. I generally consider it attractive - an…
/r/seduction09/12/19 07:56 PM
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This is solid. Full commitment to the open - full eye contact - body facing her, etc. Consistently opens girls better (night or day) than doing something that's half-assed or easier. Its like your presence demands their full attention and engagement right at the opener and that's what they give you. The only problem is sometimes opening less attractive girls gets them a bit spooked sometimes. But it work very well on hotter girls. Its not a looks thing - I'm a 5'6 asian guy (at that height every…
/r/seduction09/12/19 07:48 PM
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Needs to be stated though - I've met a lot of guys who wanted to game girls but lacked hygiene. And I'd bet some money on the guys who get blown out at the opener over 50% as lacking something in that dept. I'm not a great looking dude but getting disengagement signals/blowoffs right off the opener is like in the single digit %s for me. Most chicks I open will chat/chill for a bit - even the ones that are in a rush.
/r/seduction09/12/19 07:34 PM
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The whole thing about being fit though - is its hard for anyone to tell how fit if you have a shirt on - unless you're wearing something like girls wear to work out in. And I think that's where the problem is - like I was pretty ripped but the moment I had a shirt on - I looked like an average athletic dude you see running at planet fitness. I don't think being 'fit fit'/ripped is the answer here if most of the time I'm approaching with my shirt on. I think size is would help more instead.
/r/seduction08/12/19 01:26 PM
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Takes a lot of time - working out 1-2 hrs at least 4x/week. Then strict dieting and program planning. It takes very serious dedication - just doing lifting alone was hard. Not sure if I can endure more bulk/cut cycles and also trying to learn game the same time. Learning game is hard too. I rather take the dedication and time to getting my approaching game solid and then see if I want to get that fit. I'm pretty happy with my gains as is.
/r/seduction08/12/19 12:33 PM
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The dude's body in the video honestly looks like a normal active dude's. He's more lean than most guys, but pick a guy who does running and they'll look like that. Capt america may have juiced for his body but I think its natty achievable. He's honestly not that big irl. If you look at 2nd pic - if he wears baggy clothes, you can't even tell he lifts. https://external-preview.redd.it/9BNXPpPPnHysukiWyYVsVnGyyU5PK-c_-dCMt4Jcppc.jpg?auto=webp&s=130f2f44f357224f1cc00ed985482e95ab3d92ce https://i.pi…
/r/seduction08/12/19 12:26 PM
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I went from skinny fat 125 to obviously fit 155. Did it help game? No. Did it help get girls? No. I suspect where it starts to really help is once you hit capt america lvl muscularity+ripped. Being 'swimmer body'+ripped isn't enough. I estimated it was going to take me about 4 more years to get there, and went fuck it and decide to fully dedicate myself to learning cold approaching game instead.
/r/seduction08/12/19 05:17 AM
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If you get blown out or shut down...just leave. I don't know about the idea of giving girls a way out when approaching, but I've noticed I get significantly better engagement when I go in fully committed vs not. The common way of relieving initial approach tension is giving yourself a time constraint.
/r/seduction08/12/19 02:31 AM
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Try going ahead and showing more intent at the same time. Now these are things I suggest you try so you get a feel of how girls react when you push the boundaries of 'normal' vs 'flirty' conversations. Like you would ask "Excuse me, do you know where starbucks is?" Girl answers, "..." You, "Great - lets hang out over there. Hi, I'm [your name here]" Girl says, no and a reason why. You, "That's ok. I'm more important. And fun. Lets go - I don't bite." And just start walking in that direction whil…
/r/seduction07/12/19 05:59 PM
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Congrats on going out. Soloing is pretty tough dude. A few things to help make that first approach happen: - Sometimes it just helps to have someone there to just tell you to sack up and do the approach. Even a complete newbie can help with this. - Maybe do a few practice approaches on girls you're not super interested in with indirect lines like asking where starbucks/bathroom is - Something I do while soloing is I'll randomly genuinely compliment strangers - guys and girls - attractive or not …
/r/seduction07/12/19 05:44 PM
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Approach more I had a wing that would walk up to a girl and look her up and down. He got blown out a lot right at the opener. So I told him to cut that shit out and just make eye contact and he didn't get blown out anymore.
/r/seduction06/12/19 07:53 PM
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Btw what made the girl unattractive? Fat? Or didn't makeup / dress well?
/r/seduction30/11/19 02:38 AM
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Yes, constantly lead and move forward. Roll with the punches.
/r/seduction30/11/19 12:31 AM
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I don't see how this backfired? A backfire would be if the shit went down the drain and you lost the girl over it. It actually looked like she got more invested because it looked like you tried to disqualify her and she qualified herself instead. Its like you tried to go for a 2 pointer shot and instead sunk a 3pt shot. But then you lost all momentum in the last 2 text lmao.
/r/seduction29/11/19 11:57 PM
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I've met a lot of wings before and the thing he did would make me immediately stop hanging out with him. A wing's primary goal is to have your back and that's best done by hanging out together, not separating and running off somewhere else. So him throwing a tantrum and running off is pretty much against that. 1 - I've never set goals. If its a new guy, I want to see what his 'natural character is'. If its someone I've been hanging out with we may go with a gameplan and work with that. 2 - I'm a…
/r/seduction29/11/19 07:55 PM
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Vibe/tone/energy plays a big part in flirting. Don't just read the words and think, he must be looking at her seriously and saying "wearing that coat makes you look like an exhibitionist." He's flirting, so he's smiling and being playful, "That's a large coat. What are you hiding? Ah, I get it now...you must be an exhibitionist." I definitely see that working with very little risk in the US.
/r/seduction29/11/19 03:35 PM
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Your response makes sense on the whole but I’m just focusing on the original post where the girl didn’t know this dude has approached 100s on that campus already. She would’ve made the same post even if that was his first day there and he only opened 2-3 girls. I wouldn’t suggest having newbies risk going there because unless you’re seasoned, newbies and normal people cold approaching always come off awkward. All it would take is a matching description of the guy for girls to correlate to come u…
/r/seduction26/11/19 06:06 PM
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Actually be fucking more than one girl. And have confidence in the skills you have to get another girl if you lose your main one. You can’t fake this shit - your brain won’t let you.
/r/seduction26/11/19 04:43 PM
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I’m personally very pro pua but guys, stay away from campuses. Stick to malls and outside areas. Here’s a post made by students at a university claiming a dude running indirect game is some kind of potential rapist or sex trafficker. The things that stand out to me are, he runs indirect and he’s not super pushy. When told the girl is taken he leaves like a dude should. He’s doing everything right for a guy to do this in a non-creepy way. Sort by newest to view a post made by a girl who actually …
/r/seduction26/11/19 04:27 PM
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I’m not actually in la. I travel during weekends cuz oc is too slow. Finding consistently good day game venues is tough in the suburbs.
/r/seduction25/11/19 11:43 PM
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I was doing this in la.
/r/seduction25/11/19 05:35 PM
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I’ve done this sort of things off and on dance floor. I’ve done it off dance floor enough times to know that doing it works well enough. On dance floor girls won’t give me their hand. Or if they do it’s tense and they won’t twirl. I’ve done this over 20x and got maybe one girl to twirl and pull close but she broke off the last second. What is your estimated ratio of success with this? Like if you do it to 10 girls how many do you expect to twirl and pick up?
/r/seduction25/11/19 05:19 PM
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Have you tried this in different countries? Could be a cultural thing.
/r/seduction25/11/19 05:02 PM
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How early in the night can you do this? Cuz I’ve tried something like this before and the girls wouldn’t even twirl. A lot wouldn’t even take my hand. Most places don’t have huge dance floors to do this too many times. Granted it was super early (11pm) so they prolly weren’t even buzzed yet.
/r/seduction25/11/19 04:29 PM
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Energy is better earlier in the day. I notice this when I try to game before noon vs later in the day. The better your energy the stronger your emotional confidence is - you just 'feel' confident so you don't second guess or hesitate when you just feel like doing stuff. Its the same feeling as you get an idea to do something, and if its early in the day you just go do it. While if you got the same idea in evening you might hesitate or get to it slower.
/r/seduction22/11/19 12:17 PM
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It depends what kind. The kind where you're polarizing and thus 'vulnerable to rejection' is more of a sign of a abundance mentality that is attractive. This is what most game is. Or the type where you talk to a girl about your insecurities - only good in the smallest of doses. If you're not calibrated then its better to not use it.
/r/seduction22/11/19 12:12 PM
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Its ok - I've met other dudes (naturals mainly) who are married or steady gfs and they still flirt with other girls. Like you look at a natural who is good with women, and you see it as just part of their personality. That would be like a girl getting david beckem and then telling him he couldn't play soccer anymore. So I've had these kinds of discussions with naturals and couples and a lot of girls seem ok with their man continue to flirt with girls - but they just have rules in place, like no …
/r/seduction22/11/19 11:57 AM
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Damn you are very dense. I wrote a paint-by-numbers sort of response and you still think we're talking about failure on launch instead of failure from pushing our limits. You and I and the other guy are talking about the same thing - but you're not realizing it.
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:09 PM
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You mean if I'm in the US and hit on local US girls? The native throws me off a bit since I'm not native to the US. If so, then yes. Most of my approaches are on local girls.
/r/seduction21/11/19 02:42 PM
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The reason I personally suggest just approaching everyone is because there isn't much of a difference. Girls who check guys out do turn down guys just as harshly as cold approaches, and some cold approaches go incredibly well from the outset. Then there are the guys who don't get checked out at all but their game could be stellar. I've met incredibly charismatic guys from the weirdest looking dudes who most girls wouldn't glance at but then can't stay away from once the dudes start talking.
/r/seduction21/11/19 02:23 PM
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Man, you don't even know how to work out...your description of how to lift is just straight wrong. And so is your learning process. Look, nobody uses their 1 lift max to get stronger. That's for just seeing what their max lift is. They use their working reps - the reps they use for incremental progression to get stronger and it works like this: Lets say there is a guy who can only do 5 push ups, he struggles on #5 and can't do the 6th. So that's where he stops. That's his limit. He's reached fai…
/r/seduction21/11/19 01:55 PM
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6-8 - Nowadays - if I get only 6 I think slower but I'm otherwise alert and not fatigued. It used to be if I only got 6 I'd feel tired all day and need energy drinks to not take naps at noon. I've basically given up trying to get constant 8 hours of sleep despite being super consistent about how and when I go to bed. I just naturally wake up whenever and it can be 6 or 8.
/r/seduction21/11/19 01:33 PM
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This may sound a little weird, but I recommend introspecting and figuring out how to reduce the energy costs of the elements in your life that killing your energy. I was like you too - huge gamer introvert. I used to only be able to work, lift, and go home and half ass video games. Then I decided that I wanted to game but socializing was tough as is. So I looked at what I could optimize in my life and worked on reducing the energy costs of various activities. Now I'm at the point its so efficien…
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:05 AM
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I've seen guys who were seemingly AA immune get a gf for a year or two and try to get back into game and they ended up with crippling anxiety too. Its really weird, like the anxiety came back worse than the first time they tried to game. So that part I believe. Its weird, but it happens. I think the dude just got burned out and didn't try to fix it.
/r/seduction21/11/19 02:57 AM
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Man we've come full circle - people used to believe in The Secret and now people are saying don't want stuff to get it. I don't think any of this woo-woo stuff matters at all. Want it or don't want it. It doesn't matter as long as you create a actionable plan of getting what you want and then taking action to do it. Wanting something won't magically make it appear in your life...nor will 'not wanting it'. A great way of never getting something you want is hoping it'll just 'happen one day'. Be p…
/r/seduction21/11/19 02:51 AM
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I think you guys are actually saying the same things. But the other guy is thinking you're not learning anything and failing at the same points, while you're saying keep going and push yourself till failure. I don't think most people understand the only way to learn and get better is to go till you fail, not linger in comfort zone/safe space. Easier to visualize as working out, you can only get stronger by trying to lift things till you can't (failure) - not by lifting stuff you can lift easily.
/r/seduction21/11/19 02:41 AM
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I found the problem: > My 'game' just didn't have that 'soul' behind it anymore . He lost heart. Its the same thing as a guy who gets good at something then gets bored because the thing isn't fun for him anymore even though he could be really good at it. This is an inner game issue and its easily fixable.
/r/seduction20/11/19 04:25 PM
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Is this in the US? Night or day game? Also are the girls usually attracted by this point or is it super early on?
/r/seduction19/11/19 06:24 PM
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What kind of touching are you doing that is causing freak outs?
/r/seduction19/11/19 04:26 PM
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I have this same reaction too to harsher rejections. I just laugh. They're fucking rare and its amusing.
/r/seduction19/11/19 02:29 PM
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Dude most guys rates girls from 1-10. What planet are you from?
/r/seduction18/11/19 06:17 PM
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This happens all the time with regular approaching too. The girl is feeling you right then in that moment and you're the only thing on her mind. Like she actually genuinely likes you. But the moment you walk away - reality comes crashing back in and she'll have 2nd thoughts. That's why people suggest instant dates and pulls over #s. They're harder but less flaky because you're there to keep the good emotions going.
/r/seduction18/11/19 06:11 PM
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Yea, this is the season girls start dressing down - it really fucks with me because well done up women is one of the things I look for. Hard to tell if someone is hot when they've got layers of clothes on them and a winter coat and a hoodie and they're fast walking cuz its cold. Luckily this is heading towards xmas - this means that any malls will be continuously busy even during the weekdays. The real shitshow is after new years/spring. Its going to be rainy, cold, and with no holidays, no reas…
/r/seduction18/11/19 06:05 AM
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Sure why not? I’ve switched girls in mid-conversation when one turned me down. Like if I was after girlA and she rejected me, I started going after her friend. This is not quite your question, but it still applies. Girls are different people - even if they’re friends. I’ve also been in a situation where I was wing. The main opener guy managed to hook the group and we had split up their attention on different guys. But the main guy was getting pretty harshly rejected so he tells me to switch with…
/r/seduction17/11/19 04:03 PM
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No - you don't 'need' game. You only need it for 2 things - To get girls out of your league To get girls on a more consistent basis based on skill and not luck Most people are hobbyists to relationships, they frankly just really really lucky with their situation. They can't replicate it if they tried. Game is about doing better than that. And like any skill, there are techniques one can learn that can elevate someone beyond luck to competence. We call this set of techniques, Game. Even naturals …
/r/seduction17/11/19 01:34 PM
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Yes small towns have less opportunities. But there are things you can do to mitigate. If you’re trying to get good their looks don’t matter. Approach anxiety, open skills, and early attraction skills are basically the same for all girls. They only start diverging when you start escalating. If you’re learning it means you shouldn’t only approach hot girls because you won’t get enough practice in to get good and maintain being good. Open cute, kinda cute, and average girls too. I’ve found that for…
/r/seduction16/11/19 09:23 PM
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I’ve approached moms with their kids and daughters with their moms. It goes about as the same as your typical approach. I bring up the situation of course, I’m not ignoring that the situation is kind of odd. But I don’t linger on it or make it weird. It’s a viable approachable set.
/r/seduction16/11/19 09:13 PM
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There is benefit to a thread like that though. It probably won't reduce bad posts - but like the OP said, allows for comments that encourage community building that would normally be against the rules.
/r/seduction16/11/19 07:07 PM
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Yea, I noticed the same thing with melatonin. Its like the sleep effect has no 'weight' to it and ends up with me waking up too early and feeling shitty. Taking ZMA is like going to bed exhausted and waking up feeling like a 100 bucks. I recommend Optimum Nutrition's (green label). Its probably the only supplement (other than caffeine) that I've noticed has a clear physical effect. Everything else is kinda 'well its not hurting me, guess I'll keep taking it' sort of thing. The other thing I'd ad…
/r/seduction16/11/19 03:53 PM
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This isn’t very true. Some of the fastest pulls I’ve done (under 5 min from opening to pull) were with girls who didn’t say much. If you put them next to a girl who looks somewhat disinterested, they’d look pretty smilier. Especially shy girls who can’t smile or hold eye contact. It’s fallacious to think every girl wants to have a deep connection just to enjoy dick.
/r/seduction16/11/19 03:15 PM
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For sleep, I don't recommend melatonin unless you have insomnia issues. And even then don't take it everyday. Instead, I recommend 3 pills of ZMA (zinc magnesium and vit b6) right before bed. Originally I took this for faster muscle recovery after lifting, but I noticed that this stuff will knock you out and when you wake up - you're always 100% refreshed even if your sleep was interrupted or you woke up early. Its like waking up with coffee in your system. Although a note of warning, early on t…
/r/seduction16/11/19 04:42 AM
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These coaches need to go away so the community can rebuild itself again. The PU community started as a few global forums because back then there weren't enough people to make local ones. Places like masf for example where people contributed a lot of original game. Then when it grew and justified local lairs, thats when PU was in its golden age. You could find out easily who was local and legit and who was a poser. Easily find cool wings to hang and roll with. You could join a lair and get instan…
/r/seduction15/11/19 01:49 PM
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I had a wing that was super creepy as fuck. Opens like a mofo. Gets blown out 99% of the time. But that 1% of the time he just opens a girl that’s so into him - it’s like they were meant to be. The point is to not be a bitch. To stand up for yourself and be willing to fight for what you want. You think China is going to bow down to Hong Kong? Fuck no - they rather timinin square before showing weakness. But those hk kids are out there getting murdered to stand up for what they want - for the sma…
/r/seduction14/11/19 11:53 PM
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And whats so bad about creeping other people out? Living life - really living life is about not giving a shit about what other people think. Life is hard enough without being shacked down by the expectations of others. Especially if they're imaginary.
/r/seduction14/11/19 02:13 PM
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Game is mostly about learning how to communicate better/more authentically with women. You grow up in a society learning bad social habits because there was really nothing to guide you along the way other than some casual experiences or lack thereof. The tips and tricks and routines in game are really nothing more than a pro-baseketball player showing you how to sink 3 pointers. Sometimes we're really as simple as monkey see monkey do. If you were to apply them and start sinking 3 pointers, you …
/r/seduction14/11/19 01:50 PM
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Pick 10 random people from the street. Maybe 1 will have heard of Reddit. Tell me how that’s an accurate sample of reality.
/r/seduction14/11/19 12:16 AM
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It’s the tension from the approach that does it even if they like the approach. Anxiety is more sharp emotion (like fear) than attraction is so they feel it stronger. This is why a lot do daygamer strategies revolve around reducing initial tension like Sasha’s ‘I’m not crazy or anything’ after he stops a girl. Although with proper skill you can turn that tension into excitement to synergize with attraction.
/r/seduction13/11/19 11:18 PM
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Yo - nice job dude. Don’t listen to the limp wristed haters. Or people criticizing your technique you did mostly everything right. Also you did it in a crowded area which most dudes can’t do. Big thumbs up.
/r/seduction13/11/19 09:18 PM
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What I’ve seen is the girl is attracted but because she’s a bit self conscious decides go cold or does something that would be a sign of disinterest. ...asian girls do this a lot. First time meeting can sometimes be very cold but chatting them up again they don’t seem to realize the vibe they’re putting out and they’re surprised of my initial impression. Sometimes girls are just caught off guard by an approach they do something offhand that blows out the guy even though they liked him.
/r/seduction13/11/19 08:50 PM
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Reddit is not a reflection of reality. It’s a collection of socially anxious, depressed, neurotic, adult children. In reality 99% of women take approaching well and appreciate it. Some have thanked me for it and encouraged it. I’m glad people take that thread seriously - it makes approaching more special the less people do it.
/r/seduction13/11/19 07:02 PM
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Eh this is a pretty easy pregame fix. But before I get into it, I'll describe what's happening. You're probably approaching girls you find attractive but don't 'feel' like you're magnetically/emotionally attracted. Like you don't 'feel it'. Now, I'm not advocating only approaching when you're in the right mood or feeling it, cuz that's retarded and you won't learn enough just doing approaches you always feel. Ok these are the fixes, Get enough sleep Wack off less Initiate your emotional engine b…
/r/seduction13/11/19 06:46 AM
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I’ve direct opened girls with their bf close enough to hear before. Not on purpose but it’s just something I don’t really think about when I approach. And I’ve never had a confrontation where the guy or girl threatened me before or tried to fight me. I’ve also opened countless married and girls who say they have bfs and maybe got a handful of ‘bad’ reactions. But generally most have been fairly positive. But this is in the US - if you’re elsewhere I can’t say the same.
/r/seduction13/11/19 01:34 AM
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You haven’t met those girls I’m talking about then. They can easily blow a k every week on clothes alone. Not to mention the designer food they eat. The organic coffee they drink. Daily personal training. Spa treatments, etc. the stuff you consider once in a blue moon luxuries they consider daily or weekly maintenance. 5k/mo is pretty middle of the road as far as trophy girls go too. There are women out there way more expensive than that. 5k/yr seems way too low to me even for a kinda cute girl.…
/r/seduction11/11/19 10:11 PM
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I thought this was what most people thought it was? Since 5 in middle of a 10 scale - that’s where average starts. Personally happy would be hotter the better. But if I only approached hot girls I’d never get enough practice in to get good. So I approach average chicks too.
/r/seduction11/11/19 08:16 PM
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I come from more structured type of game so I see clear lines drawn in the sand when it comes to stuff like this. I call goal chasing typeA type personality and having fun and going with the flow typeB personality. The problem with full typeA is you chase the goal in a straight forward and often no-nonsense manner. You goal is logical, your methods of achieving are logical and as a result your sets lack warmth and connection. And a lot of game isn’t a one foot in front of the other process. Type…
/r/seduction11/11/19 07:37 PM
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In this case a 5 is average face and slender body. Anything fat is below. 6 is cute - like kinda sort cute. Like good girl cute. 7 is low level hot - like good girl hot. High school cheerleader hot. 8 is hot hot. Like hottest girl in college hot. Still very natural. 9s and 10s is when you start getting into girls whose looks cost $5k / mo just to maintain. Constantly work out, constantly looking good. Have other pluses such as is a famous model, is from a wealthy family, has a high powered caree…
/r/seduction11/11/19 06:56 PM
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This is pretty off the mark in regards to success possibilities in game. An intermediate to advanced level guy has the minimum ability to get over 50% of the girls he is looks match with interested in him. Not his just kinda sorta but pretty much dtf. Now the reason why they dont hook up all the time can be due to her logistics, his interest level (not all guys will bang anything - the better guys get the higher their standards are), if his wing has a girl yet, etc. I met a guy who could bang pr…
/r/seduction11/11/19 01:20 PM
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Yo any idea why average girls have surprisingly low reactions to game?
/r/seduction11/11/19 01:02 PM
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Instead of mantras I set aside a day to do aggressive approaching. Like standing in the middle of busy sidewalk with a lot of people going back and forth and just open people in the middle of it. I started off kinda easy with basic compliments then added on more shit till it was actual approaching and gaming. It took me..a few days of doing it and I lost that fear of having people see me when I approach.
/r/seduction04/11/19 08:26 PM
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Yea, this happens a lot when I cold approach. Sometimes if there aren't enough attractive girls I start opening whatever is around instead of wasting 20 mins walking around with my hand on my dick. Hotter girls consistently react better to game than average girls. I've tried plowing - which sometimes works well enough to turn a cold girl into a warm one, but it rarely ever works on girls I don't find that attractive.
/r/seduction04/11/19 04:06 PM
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Yea that’s kind of normal. It just kinda goes away on its own the more approaches you do. Eventually you don’t even think about other people. Or their reactions anymore.
/r/seduction30/10/19 09:06 PM
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Yea, pretty much.
/r/seduction29/10/19 06:32 PM
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I do direct. Situational openers are a mixed bag. I like using stuff that consistently works. If you do what I wrote above, the girls lose that bf frame and are curious why you think they’d never work out. So I’d say something like ‘I hate how adorable you are.’ Or something retarded like ‘I can tell you’re a sweet girl. So I should stay away or I may end up with cavities.’ If those lines get her to smile again and not bring up bf again - the frame returns to normal flirting frame. From there pr…
/r/seduction29/10/19 05:16 PM
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Yea the app cancel thing was my plan. Most of my approaches are from the front, the girls don’t usually walk past me if I’m gonna open them. So side and behind opens are really rare for me. I haven’t tried rolling up to girls from behind, going past them, getting off and doing a front approach.
/r/seduction29/10/19 05:08 PM
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I stop mostly from the front. My regular go to here is get attention with excuse me from the front or front side - I don’t really do body blocking stuff unless they’re moving really fast the moment I open my mouth is where I plant my feet - I don’t move from that spot if she doesn’t stop say ‘wait wait wait...come back*’ - do each part as needed - wait is to hang on to their attention and stop forward momentum - come back is repeated till they walk back in engagement range. I’ve had this work on…
/r/seduction29/10/19 03:43 PM
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Eye contact before opening is way overrated. I get a lot of eye contact when I walk by girls. And when I open it goes about as well as completely cold approaches. So it doesn't matter if you get eye contact or not - just go and open.
/r/seduction29/10/19 09:34 AM
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I think girls don't like it because they want guys who are 'naturally good with women' vs a guy who 'practiced to get good women'. They see personality as a concrete none changing element and that a guy who proactively practices by cold approaching is getting better by being fake and diverging from their authentic selves. Which isn't true but that's what they think. Additionally they complain about tactics such as one from mystery such as negging and stuff, even though naturals do a lot of simil…
/r/seduction29/10/19 09:27 AM
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What goes on in my head when I see a pretty girl is nothing. I don't think about how I'm going to approach - I just already am. I want to. I'm eager to get started. But getting there is the real story - how to annihilate AA and establish that approaching is as fun as sitting down and reading your fav book or playing fav video game. There's only one way and no amount of reading theory about self improvement / confidence is going to cure AA. You just have to grind it out - do a lot of them. Come u…
/r/seduction29/10/19 09:12 AM
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I tried it with a scooter. First thoughts is it sucks with a scooter - wherever you stopped it, you're kind of stuck with that spot as your opening position. Which if she's coming at me, she will dodge it. And sometimes a good stop involves good positioning or active repositioning. Which I can't do if I'm saddling this piece of metal between my legs. I've recently solved this issue by being kind of a dick to the scooter and just rolling it away / leaning it against something and walking the rest…
/r/seduction29/10/19 08:59 AM
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I still use "whoa whoa whoa, I'm just having a conversation here." I've recently added, "And you just jumped straight into relationships. I'm flattered but that's asking for way too much commitment from me." The first phrase was good enough to bypass the bf/husband comment 50%+ of the time. The 2nd part reframes it into her being overly enthusiastic about putting me into bf/husband competition category. This gets them to smile and apologize to me. Then I'd stack with disqualification saying some…
/r/seduction29/10/19 08:52 AM
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Interesting target...shy asian girls. The ones that blow me out the hardest are fobs on the street - just rolling up and saying 'hi' would lead to being ignored. So I wouldn't have a chance to even say anything else afterwards. I can only think of the asian girls that are on college campuses that look like super good girls. I used to get blown out because I used strong direct words such as 'beautiful' 'cute' and 'adorable'. But since I switched to 'looking good' it lands better and they don't fr…
/r/seduction29/10/19 08:46 AM
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London Daygame Model I see this mentioned everywhere but I've never met anyone outside of the original people who created it to have success with it. Do you use it? How does it work for you?
/r/seduction29/10/19 08:39 AM
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I think most people think this only really happens to hot guys/naturals.l and once in a blue moon thing. Nah, some guys can do extremely consistently - like on a weekly basis and you can be average looking and pull it off too. Puas can definitely do it if they continue to improve. I think people dramatically underestimate what they can do with pua skills. They think it’s opening a lot and getting #s and dates and that’s it. Nah, that’s when you finally learn how to beat lvl1 - the real shit star…
/r/seduction27/10/19 08:13 PM
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It’s possible. He didn’t even say he pulled her for a lay. Just dinner. I used to hang with a dude who could do something similar very consistently. He could go into a mall or Starbucks and 30 mins later be taking girls home. Now that I’m learning game I realize how high that skill threshold actually is. And I totally get why a lot of guys wouldn’t believe this is possible. But I saw it with my own eyes over a period of months. The dude could do it - and if he could so could others.
/r/seduction27/10/19 05:10 PM
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They’re both clubs. Exactly the same features in both but the vibe and crowd is different. The dancing clubs I maybe hook 1 out of 10 girls and rest are blowouts. The other I can hook more than half and it feels like I can do whatever I want and I’ll still get them on and interested. So far I’ve noticed it’s like white people music - trance or remixed stuff.
/r/seduction26/10/19 07:03 PM
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I like clubs but I can’t dance for shit. I’ve noticed there’s two kinds of clubs. Ones where it’s everyone dancing and ones where maybe 20%(or less) people dance at. I get absolutely obliterated at clubs where every person is dancing. No matter what I’ve tried. Tried opening on dance floor, tried opening off dance floor. Tried just high 5ing everyone (lol). Tried my regular openers. Tried physical openers. Solos. Sets. Etc. I get absolutely obliterated every time. The only thing that’s worked is…
/r/seduction25/10/19 10:02 PM
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Do you know if it’s real bf? Or they just say it? I noticed that when my game was bad, I’d get bf constantly off the bat. But recently, the last 20 chicks I talked to never said anything about an SO. Not that I think they’re actually all single - I think its like they dig the way I flirt now and enjoy it and don’t wanna blow me out anymore.
/r/seduction25/10/19 08:07 PM
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This dude is just trying to get basic attraction dude. Yes your way may solve every problem he has in his life and maybe down the road. But it is massive overkill and time investment. You’re like Michael Phelps trying to tell this dude the best way to win the olympics while this dude is still drowning in the kiddy pool.
/r/seduction25/10/19 07:08 PM
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Still shopping around - there’s one on amazon I’ve been looking at but haven’t tried. My only problem is the batteries at max last maybe 2 hrs and night game isnt that short. The phones can last like 10 hours.
/r/seduction25/10/19 06:09 PM
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Nothing special really, I use a app that hides the screen while it’s recording. So I can put it facing forward so it doesn’t look like it’s doing anything because the screen is black. Then just put it into pocket. The pocket is deep enough to only show the top of the phone so it’s not sticking halfway out or anything. You may need to use baby pins in the pocket to aim it properly. I’m thinking of using the pen thing instead because aiming the camera is less than optimal.
/r/seduction25/10/19 04:26 PM
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Just an observation, a lot of guys are interested in starting casual because jumping into a relationship seems like too much immediate commitment. They want a relationship but they start with casual first to test the waters. It’s like, wanting to own a house but starting out renting it first. Even guys like us used to gaming girls don’t actually like games in the relationship portion. Because that’s where we start to like like a girl and want to trust her. Even casual dating is still a type of r…
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:16 PM
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If your goal is just grinding AA you don’t need to worry about doing any kind of game at the moment. Just aggressively grind down that AA. Btw I think your approach is fine. Having strong fundamentals will accelerate your learning curve when you do get to game stuff. If you can get into the habit of opening 5 girls like everyday or every other day. And continue to incrementally improve. You will learn to get laid fairly consistently within the year. Like let’s say it takes abt 1000 approaches to…
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:03 PM
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While the guy that responded to me is usually correct about the ‘root of the problem’ the issue with that is it’s not an easy fix. Nor is it an exact one. It may not even be the true root cause, because some issues stem from lack of knowledge, poor upbringing, etc. or simply different cultural background. Doing the outer game fix is faster and results are usually immediate. Another guy, doesn’t even have to be good, may be able to pinpoint your issue right away instead of just having you trying …
/r/seduction25/10/19 02:52 PM
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If they're cold with people/strangers, they're not 'alpha females'. They are broken people and have issues with emotionally bonding with others. These people may be high achieving with a sense of drive to them, but fundamentally they're emotionally broken. Meaning they're more logically driven then emotional. Your best chances with them is to appeal to the logical value side more than emotional side. True alpha people remember most people they meet and are usually warm and friendly with everyone…
/r/seduction25/10/19 12:41 PM
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Why just mic? Just get a pen camera and put it into your pocket or on your shirt collar. Camera + sound. I personally use a phone setup in my front shirt pocket and it works in clubs. You can hear and see stuff. The only downside is having to be mindful of where my body is pointing to make sure I capture the other party.
/r/seduction25/10/19 12:02 PM
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Lots of rambling. Whats your question.
/r/seduction25/10/19 11:59 AM
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You’re probably fucking up something extremely fundamental. I see it all the time, with guys with zero success. Even with good looking dudes. Sometimes it’s just body posture, eye contact, or the way they smile. It’s seriously stuff like that that’s fucking them up usually. Barring that it can be up to stuff like they’re just boring people. You need to meet up with another guy to give you honest critique.
/r/seduction24/10/19 10:50 PM
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I wouldn’t do families. But I’ve done sets up to 3 on the beach solo. I get mixed results here. I do really well if I just talk to 1 girl out of the group but I couldn’t get a girl out of a group to walk with me. Just #s. When I tried to hook the whole group, I’ve gotten instadate / walk alongs with the whole group but couldn’t go further then that. My group game is still weak so don’t see it as impossible just that I’m not skilled enough yet.
/r/seduction23/10/19 02:20 AM
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I would walk up and open direct. If she’s about it I’d sit facing her and keep talking. The important thing is don’t accidentally sit like 3 ft away, sit close enough to casually touch. Keep talking and see if she’s up for a walk on the beach to get her up and moving. Then incrementally do a pull or instadate.
/r/seduction23/10/19 02:06 AM
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There is a definite decrease in people going out. Especially to malls. Even though there are less girls out, it is still better than running into a girl who wonders why she just got opened 3times before you found her. Otherwise You can compensate by hitting beaches and college campuses. The other is there appear to be way less clubs these days. But some of the surviving clubs are still pretty busy so they are still decent spots to game at. Girls still want to go out and have fun and dance and th…
/r/seduction20/10/19 05:49 PM
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Yes 100%. I think pickup is easier now. Less competition from mobs of puas in the same venue and in general there are less dudes hitting on girls because online dating/porn provides a convenient outlet.
/r/seduction20/10/19 05:27 PM
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The way I’m using it here it means taking a girl back to your place. But it’s also a term in push-pull. Where pull means to pull back away from the girl emotionally.
/r/seduction19/10/19 07:16 PM
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Yea, I was much less skilled at the time. The dad was actually there for about 30 mins of it but eventually left and went to bed. It would be a hard call to get isolation in that particular environment. I had approached a family (dad, brother, mom, and daughter) and they were eating lunch. Isolation wasn't possible/likely. The way I did it at the time probably was the best way. But I likely can't do it again, I just don't have 2-3 hours of patience to just talk these days compared to when I was …
/r/seduction19/10/19 03:32 PM
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So one of the guys I hung out with started one of the major city lairs. It started as a group email thread that grew into one of those early 2000 type forums. It was not really organized and pretty haphazard imo. What I guessed happened is that a lot of the other lairs were the same way. They weren't organized organization of PUAs like Style seems to claim about the 'Secret Society'. It wasn't a society as a much as it was a bunch of random dudes with varying levels of interests finding a place …
/r/seduction19/10/19 03:16 PM
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Its surprisingly common and its like the girls are mid 20s or older and the mom is like 50s. I opened the girl I wanted first with a compliment like 'excuse me, you're really cute'. Moms are usually flattered too here. Then I turn to the mom and asked her 'you're sisters right?'. Moms usually get it, laugh, and correct me. So, I'd ask "Mind if I flirt with her a bit?" I go for the isolation because I know gaming a girl in front of her mom is not going to get genuine responses compared to 1 on 1.…
/r/seduction19/10/19 02:58 PM
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I recommend never looking away for the first 5 mins or so of the interaction. You open with strong eye contact and hold it. But blink like a normal person. There are 2 observational exercises I suggest you do, next time you talk to someone of authority, hold their eye contact and see how often they look away. It is almost never. 2nd suggestion is do the same thing with an attractive woman. It'll be the same result. Bottom line - what you think is creepy eye contact is probably normal eye contact…
/r/seduction19/10/19 02:37 PM
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There was a point where I knew I wanted to do PU but that's a far cry from actually taking action. AA is a separate thing and its an emotion. And you can 'break the hold' of an emotion in two ways, attacking it logically/emotionally and creating a habit. Eventually it just wears down AA till its nothing. It takes time to be able to do those two things but once you do you can approach.
/r/seduction19/10/19 12:57 PM
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Have you tried working through anxiety? You know you can logically break it - not just let it stop you right?
/r/seduction19/10/19 12:50 PM
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The first first gen were the masters, these guys all wrote the foundations that led to the 2nd gen. These masters were ones like mystery, david d, etc. The originals. 2nd gen were guys like toddv, rsd (back in 2000s) who learned from these guys and basically set the more modern foundations of pu and made it more widely acceptable. Basically it is my belief that there are no more masters created after the 2nd gen. They weren't masters yet, but this is the timeframe they all started learning. That…
/r/seduction19/10/19 12:43 PM
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If possible break this up into daily routines. Don't just take one day and knock it all out. Its way easier to create a habit if you can just do it daily vs just 1 day a week. I'd also suggest making some stuff even granular. Like make 50% girls by themselves and 50% girls in groups. Or 50% attractive girls and 50% ugly girls. You don't want to get into the pattern of only having the ability to talk to a certain type of girl when at higher skillsets you will need to have the ability to talk to a…
/r/seduction19/10/19 11:59 AM
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Any of these openers would work fine to open. It’s the follow up that’s the challenge. You need to stop reading stuff and go out and do it.
/r/seduction18/10/19 04:26 PM
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What I've noticed is sometimes when I reach a certain point in skill, some of the advice I ignored/felt cringe about before start to make sense. Its like I was missing some kind of skill set or knowledge at the time or just had a negative belief that stopped me from understanding some types of game made by others. Its similar to an old trope of how there is a wise older man in some stories that talks in riddles that don't make sense to the young protagonist. Only to find when faced with conflict…
/r/seduction18/10/19 02:55 PM
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Just talk to her. You have like a million things to talk about here. I'll give 3 examples that go from mundane to emotional openers. Mundane openers are safer conversation starters but you may encounter aloofness and distance if your followup conversation is boring. Emotional openers are immediately engaging but causes the girl to react emotionally too. If you don't know how to handle this, then it can blow you out right away. "Hi. [introduce yourself] what are you studying?" (conversation about…
/r/seduction18/10/19 01:39 PM
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As early on in the interaction as possible you want to emotionally engage the girl. This stops girls from being aloof or dismissive of you right off the bat. Adding tension helps, which is why there is a greater focus of providing a challenge early on (pulling away) vs doing something that's like a compliment (a push). A neg was a type of challenge to a girl, but since the time mystery came out with it, there have been a lot of other ways of providing challenges. Basically anything that counts a…
/r/seduction17/10/19 01:09 PM
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There's two elements to that hobby. The lessons, which are optional. And the dance events - where people just show up and the room basically has a club like atmosphere except theres like 3 or 5 girls to every 1 guy and the girls are doing the approaching. Lessons can range from group to individual and will cost around $20+. But the dance events are like $5-$10. I've seen free ones too.
/r/seduction17/10/19 12:45 PM
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Just showing up the girls will fight over you. The first time I went - after the lesson - I sat down to watch other people do their thing. I was literally in the corner of the room. And girls kept coming up to me around every 5-10 mins to ask me to dance. Some even tried to socialize / flirt with me first then ask me to dance. I told every girl how horrible I was - but some stuck around and essentially begged me.
/r/seduction17/10/19 12:42 PM
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I think you're thinking about this too hard. You're thinking about 'impressing' the girl somehow like - beating the max weight lifted at the gym or something. Assuming you're past the point of talking to other people, you can do this the easy way by having a hobby that is counterpoint to the current hobby or your appearance. For example, lets say you regular hit up wine tasting events (and this is your hobby) - you're in the conversation and somehow you mention that you volunteer at shelters for…
/r/seduction17/10/19 12:31 PM
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The congruent part of these activities is tough. You can't just dabble in them, you have to be actually decent at it. Not just be decent but 'part of the scene' - like talk like a regular in it - know the big names etc. At that point they're part of who you are. Anyways, I used to do something like this, my recommendations are: swing/blues/salsa dancing - you will get girls coming up to you to chat and dance pretty much nonstop - they'll beg you to dance with them climbing - social atmosphere - …
/r/seduction17/10/19 12:22 PM
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There’s two directions go to if this is one of your sticking points. One is establishing better sticking game. Where the girl will chase you and make time for you after the # close. The other is skipping the # entirely and going only for pulls. Both are viable solutions. There are a million issues in game where no solution will work but this is not one of them.
/r/seduction11/10/19 05:17 PM
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There's a few things to unpack in your statement. Lets just say first that game, even down to 1 line given to 100 guys will work differently for each guy. And that's because to make game work its has to fit into the social situation well first. Like the guy using it must be confident in using it, congruent with using it, and the girl is ok with a guy saying that kind of line to begin with. Like you have vids of RSD Julien going up to girls and telling them "Call me Daddy" and it works for him - …
/r/seduction11/10/19 01:54 PM
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Yea, that quote is bullshit. That's something good looking guys say because they can't fathom a world where girls don't already like them to some degree. Their game is mostly about not fucking up existing interest than making any of their own. Its a chicken and egg question. How does attraction just exist if it wasn't created at some point. Lets say we have a guy who is normal Joe. Stacy meets joe and isn't attracted to joe at first. But then joe demonstrates some kind of value that stacy likes,…
/r/seduction11/10/19 01:37 PM
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That's not quite correct. Attraction is not a choice talks more about how it is an emotion - not something a girl can or cannot control. For example, if a girl is taken, and you push her buttons the right way, she will feel attracted - she might not act on it, but she will feel attracted. The phrase is more of one of the foundation understandings of why game works at all. That by having the right attraction triggers, you can attract girls that may be otherwise unavailable to someone normally. An…
/r/seduction11/10/19 01:24 PM
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Your conclusion is correct. You only change and master one skill at a time. Doing this way makes sure the lesson you're learning gets enough focus to be done correctly and that it is given time to be a subconscious skill. The alternative will be juggling between a bunch of skills and not giving them enough time to sink in right. There is only one path to mastery and it is one foot in front of the other. That's why masters practice moves 1000 times - instead of 1000 moves once.
/r/seduction11/10/19 01:18 PM
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Hmm...I'll give this a shot. I can get attraction/bt, but how much attraction do I need to start transitioning to making her chase me? And what is a good way to start to that chase? Example lines would help. Like there's very shallow attraction - I just call passing interesting. Maybe she's smiled once - is that enough to transition? Or do I need to start hitting her with hard spikes then transition to it?
/r/seduction11/10/19 11:57 AM
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I suggest ballroom dancing if you want cute and smart girls outside of college. On the plus side the ratios will always be 5 girls per 1 guy. On the other hand, you're probably going to need to learn how to dance. And you only get about 3 shots before you get a reputation at that danceroom. Alternatively, I heard from a coworker that attending wholefoods wine tasting events is filled with older attractive women. But I've never been, so its hearsay.
/r/seduction10/10/19 06:55 PM
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I liked toddv's take on flirting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Q9rg8HjDE
/r/seduction10/10/19 06:38 PM
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A lot of game is made by Americans for Americans. Either direct / indirect you mentioned above will work on US girls around 30%-80% of the time to get them to hook/talk. It works on shy girls too here. I’ve ran into a ton of people who claim none of it works and one universal trait they seem to share is that they’re not from the US. It’s clearly a cultural thing at this point.
/r/seduction10/10/19 06:29 PM
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Was it always like that? Or did it get worse over time?
/r/seduction10/10/19 06:23 PM
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I want to see how socially retarded both of them are. While it’s easy to blame the guy in this case. I’ve approached girls who would freak out at the word ‘hello’ from a stranger. And I consider myself very well calibrated. There are just some people you could never account for no matter how well adjusted you are.
/r/seduction10/10/19 06:18 PM
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Uk bros. You need to get the fuck to the states. Shit like this isn’t illegal or even worth scrutiny. Doing pickup is supposed to be fun for everyone - not worth potential jail time if the girl didn’t particularly liked the way you opened her.
/r/seduction10/10/19 03:17 PM
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I know what you're talking about. Like sometimes when you open girls, they're just cold and don't respond. Those kind of routines don't really work. He had special lines he called breakers. Basically he said that the interaction needed to be kickstarted with a lot of emotion right off the bat. Girls are aloof and cold because they're on autopilot and don't know if you're worth their time and energy yet or they're frazzled from over stimulation and normal stuff doesn't work anymore. But any emoti…
/r/seduction10/10/19 03:31 AM
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It might be a location thing. Another thing was almost all his game was reactionary. Like he wouldn’t just randomly drop a routine in out of the blue. He would trigger a situation where the routine could be used. Like say he would catch girls looking at each other and then say it, ‘I see you guys looking at each other. I bet you guys are bffs - [bff routine here]’ Stuff like that.
/r/seduction09/10/19 09:58 PM
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He did best friends and I recall strawberry fields and cube at least a few times. I don’t think he had a script. The routines were like tools he used for specific situations. Like if he needed attraction in a set he used best friends and bantering between them. If he saw enough attraction right off the bat he’d jump ahead and skip steps and start escalating. He was a super skinny asian dude. Average looking I guess. Edit His game was more like chess. He had premenorozed lines but his game wasn’t…
/r/seduction09/10/19 09:29 PM
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I can’t really answer any of that but every girl he went all the way with wanted something more. Like they would look at him as a potential bf. I remember him saying that fast attraction and escalation is like sweeping a girl off her feet. It was like that kind of fairytale start to a relationship you’d tell your kids about.
/r/seduction09/10/19 08:53 PM
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I moved for a job opportunity and lost touch with him. Last I heard he was still at it.
/r/seduction09/10/19 08:04 PM
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I wrote on this before but I used to hang out with a guy who was able to consistently get day time pulls. Like he could walk around the mall for 20 mins and I’d wing him to pull the girls back to his place. I was with him when he got 3 girls from Starbucks and we pulled them. Really just any daytime venue. He was as as opposite as you could get from a lot of advice today about vibe and just having fun. Like this dude was using routines you could identify by name. Game to him was strategy, like a…
/r/seduction09/10/19 07:45 PM
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I did it by luck but I winged for a guy who did it consistently. Wouldn’t matter where, he’d go into Starbucks and he’d walk out with 2 girls and I’d wing them back to his place. He’d pull at least 3 sets / week. And kept it up for months while I knew him. He was everything pua too - nothing natural about him. That’s why I lol at guys claiming the routines and shit don’t work. This dude was pulling girls using the classic pua stuff. We were 24/27, Seattle USA. I was a scrub didn’t do pua stuff b…
/r/seduction09/10/19 02:34 PM
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I started by watching people's infields on youtube. And picking out their lines and then tried to use them myself in similar contexts. Then I kind of got a feel for how game works and start making my own routines and such. Like if you gave me a cheesy pickup line, I could probably make a decent normalish sounding routine out of it that would work on some girls.
/r/seduction07/10/19 06:21 PM
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There is more than one goal / strategy in game. If that works for you great. But that sounds like a massive waste of time. You're looking only to hit hole-in-ones. As for me, I enjoy the fact that I can generate interest in 80% of the women I talk to and I enjoy passing shittests and logistical roadblocks. I don't consider them insurmountable barriers, just challenges that are just part of the process.
/r/seduction06/10/19 05:55 PM
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Just be yourself. Do you really think this is good/constructive advice for guys who can't even talk to girls/struggle with dating?
/r/seduction06/10/19 05:48 PM
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His first sentence dude. > I’m 20M and never been on a date before.
/r/seduction06/10/19 02:27 PM
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This isn't a decent first date. The dude has never been on a date before (not just a 1st date with this girl). And maintained good/high chemistry for 9hrs. Don't play it like something like this something any dude with zero dating experience can do.
/r/seduction06/10/19 02:24 PM
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You're reading my comment in a vacuum. Take into account the conditions of his lay. He was basically in state and did everything right with zero prior experience. There are a shitton of guys who can get into state and can't get laid trying it on 10 or 100 girls. And here we have a guy who did it right on his first time. You don't think that's highly unique?
/r/seduction06/10/19 02:09 PM
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What you say doesn't matter...to a degree. But people mistakenly think that means they can spew garbage and as long as they have good body language that will work. That's not what they are saying, and intent is not just a tonality or body language. What they mean by what you say doesn't matter and intent does is, you don't need to memorize specific lines and specific words. What you do need to do is understand what you're trying to convey. For example, lets say I'm trying to do a pushpull, which…
/r/seduction06/10/19 01:30 PM
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Leading can be a symptom of what you're describing, such as making decisions/solving problems. But its more likely a symptom of you not knowing where you are during the pickup process and where you're trying to go with it. If you knew exactly where you are, then you can understand your next step. Like realizing the girl is into you, and you don't need to do anymore heavy attraction game. The next step would be either isolation, qualifying her, or escalation. All of pickup follows a simple model,…
/r/seduction06/10/19 01:05 PM
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This only works if you have a special chemistry with someone. Your interactions just flow. In short that was a highly unique situation with a girl that may never happen again. Now try it again on 2 more random girls. If you can do it, good for you. Maybe you happen to have a unique quirk that lets you have consistent convos flow. But for most people, it is not.
/r/seduction06/10/19 12:54 PM
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Yes, I'm getting better results than I expected. I thought pickup was going to be horrible odds, like 1-20 approaches was gonna get maybe 1 girl into me. Buts it more like I can get 80%+ of girls interested in me, 30% very very into me, and like 10% who wanna fuck. I know its not cuz I'm good looking or something because when I started, I got 0% interest. Complete blowouts everyday for weeks right after saying hi. When the old PUAs said attraction is not a choice, its true. If you know the right…
/r/seduction06/10/19 12:40 PM
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This is just stuff you gotta try on your own to understand. What is game to me might not sound like game to you - and what works for me might not work the same for you. Flirting game is unique to the person using it. Thats why I mentioned that when I tried to copy stuff from other guys, some of it worked and some didn't. I originally found wings off forums like simplepickup. But most of them are gone now. Your best bet is finding people off reddit.
/r/seduction05/10/19 05:08 PM
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I watched people's infields and saw what kind of game could be said without context and could spike. Then tried them out myself to see if I could consistently replicate the results. Some never worked for me, some worked once, my goal was really just to find something that worked 50% of the time. Afterall, getting attraction 50% of the time would be amazing. But I stumbled across game that worked at 70% and some at like 99% of the time. This gives me opening and attraction game that is very effec…
/r/seduction05/10/19 02:59 PM
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I usually open direct, so my initial opener was already some kind of compliment. Wouldn't do it again. Just ask her anything you want - it can be something as retarded like "hey do you get hit on a lot?" her: no ; response: "i don't believe you. i bet you have 10 bfs or something. Like all at the same time." her: yes ; response: "yea, i bet you have 10 bfs or something. Like all at the same time." I usually follow up with some kind of routine that I know all possible results lead to the same ans…
/r/seduction05/10/19 01:56 PM
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Depends if I think she's on call with her SO or someone else. I've had girls hang up their calls with their friends and parents after I've locked their attention on me. Other times they say the call is important. I never know unless I try. Regardless of how good an opportunity to open is, you're always interrupting someone doing something. Just treat it as something that's just part of the process and don't let it stop you.
/r/seduction05/10/19 01:49 PM
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This sounds like your internal desire has run out. Its something similar to passion. Which is just an emotion, and it goes away eventually. You need to transition to having drive - which is an internally generated desire instead of an automatic one, but it works just as well. This is how you create and maintain drive. First start a little document and write down these things. Why you are doing pickup. List all the reasons you started doing pickup, the ones most important to you. In the future ad…
/r/seduction05/10/19 01:14 PM
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Ok, here's a little thing you learn from approaching. Using an opener during the day doesn't mean you get her rapt attention right off the bat. Rather, what commonly happens is she looks at you, maybe she smiles and then looks away and looks like she is ignoring you. And that is completely normal. A lot of guys (like you) mistakenly take these reactions to heart as disinterest. Its not, its just how things works and you just ignore it. That's when you start using tactics to lock on her attention…
/r/seduction05/10/19 12:48 PM
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And you don't think society tells guys who are 5'6 and asian they're equally as undesirable as your reasons? Bottom line, fuck that mentality. Its as shitty as fat people blaming their genetics for their weight. Its the mentality of the weak who refuse to help themselves. The strong look at the long odds and take a swing anyways. They stand back up when they get knocked down. Failure is part of the process to success. They don't make excuses for their weaknesses, they find ways to compensate for…
/r/seduction05/10/19 12:31 PM
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Your location will dramatically impact your results. If possible look for a bigger town to game in. Weekdays colleges, weekends malls/beaches.
/r/seduction05/10/19 01:18 AM
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It’s posts like this that make me shake my head at guys who are in a western country and are too afraid to approach. Guys in the US really have no excuse.
/r/seduction05/10/19 01:15 AM
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Damn dude. I think you’re gonna need a shrink for that. My issue was I didn’t know how anything worked. And I wasn’t afraid to fail to learn how. But I didn’t talk down about myself like you are. You’ve already decided that you’re gonna fail before giving yourself a chance to succeed. And btw I’m 5’6, you have no real excuse to not at least try.
/r/seduction04/10/19 09:57 PM
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How are you able to converse professionally with women if you don’t know how to casually talk to them?
/r/seduction04/10/19 09:14 PM
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It’s not creepy to sit next to girls and talk to them. That’s how people become friends the normal way. This whole idea of being creepy or not is holding you back and it’s all in your head. That feeling is going to persist and fuck up your professional life too if you don’t get it under control.
/r/seduction04/10/19 08:38 PM
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I started approaching. When I was around 20ish and a virgin I realized my life had virtually zero girls in it. And I realized unless I wanted to die a virgin I should start being proactive. My feelings on approaching is if I quit or stop that means I’ve basically resigned myself to never meeting girls again. Basically giving up. Being a failure. So stopping or sucking at it isn’t an option for me. I view pickup as important for me as work is. You starve if you don’t make money. You’ll starve and…
/r/seduction04/10/19 05:16 PM
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Hard to say without being there although I've seen something similar. I've seen it a lot with shy good girls and some older ones who aren't used to being directly hit on. I've opened enough to know the way I approach isn't creepy. But once in awhile, I'll get that girl that just starts acting weird right off the bat. They just don't know what to do so their instinct is like running away or go very cold. They don't even smile or anything. They just get locked up from the tension. Unlike what othe…
/r/seduction03/10/19 03:02 PM
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They're usually fine with it. If you're going direct, such as with a good compliment, its almost going to go well more often than not. There's absolutely nothing wrong with complimenting strangers. Like why would a girl be a dick to someone who just told her her shoes looked amazing? That would an asshole move.
/r/seduction02/10/19 12:42 PM
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Most people have a stronger outer game than inner game. Rarely are people so transparent that they actually speak and react how they truly feel inside, even if they come across as impulsive or thoughtless people. Game can be learned the same way, you can learn strong outer game without strong inner game - just doing outer game a lot your inner game will eventually change and adapt to the new situation. If your outer game is a transparent expression of your inner game, such as the quality of your…
/r/seduction02/10/19 12:38 PM
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For people whom enthusiasm isn't a personality trait, you can replace it with presence and intensity. Don't try to be someone you're not, that'll just burn you out. Don't be high energy if you're low energy. Replicable and consistent skills are more valuable than emotional states.
/r/seduction02/10/19 12:29 PM
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You don't need enthusiasm to game well. Its nice but not needed. Its more important to be present. Look up limitlessexp on youtube.
/r/seduction02/10/19 12:24 PM
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Thats due to skill more than energy. Generally you need less skill with higher energy and more skill if lower energy. As long as you can compensate your shortcomings you can make any kind of game work with any energy.
/r/seduction01/10/19 09:10 PM
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Toddv's video - pretty much in its entirety is completely correct. That is the right way to learn that will work. The wrong way is just going up to girls, saying random shit and doing random things. And then trying to figure out how to hit the homerun from there. That's like asking a dude who doesn't know how to hold the bat to hit a homerun. I mean it could happen by pure luck, but consistency won't be there. You won't be able to replicate it.
/r/seduction01/10/19 07:57 PM
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Nah, you're doing it right. Or at least starting it right. There are a ton of small things you can do to help you learn game better and faster. It took me awhile (several months) to figure out how you're supposed to learn game and optimize the way I was learning it. But instead of writing a whole essay on it, Toddv already made a video about it. I wish I knew about this vid earlier, would've saved me a lot of hassle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SipTJ44qhyM Learning game is not an automatic p…
/r/seduction01/10/19 02:55 PM
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I've found doing this stuff to be the closest I'd ever feel to being a rockstar. If you do this for fun, not just about going for the girl, but meeting people. Going on adventures and having fun. The world becomes a whole different place. Back when I had wings who could pull, my wings would pull groups back to our pad, and it would be a party of 10 girls and 3 guys. Sometimes we'd invite random guys to hang with us because we knew we had too many girls. This led to a lot of lasting friendships/n…
/r/seduction01/10/19 02:45 PM
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You want some tension. While rich_god did give some good examples, sometimes focusing on doing too many new things at once can fuck up what's already going good for you. The easiest single one you can do is speaking closer to a girl while making strong eye contact. Most guys are between 2-3 ft away when they talk, you want to get 1 ft or below. You can try this on yourself, face a mirror, talk to yourself, make eye contact with yourself, and slowly move forward till you start to feel tension. Th…
/r/seduction30/09/19 01:28 PM
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I don't even know if there's a point to your post. I just want to say that most women reject in a very polite way. Like the first example, and not like your second one. I mean the rudest rejection I ever got was "no thanks" right after my opener. Most are like "Thanks. I appreciate it, but I have a bf." Some girls have told me they appreciate being approached and wish guys did it more often.
/r/seduction30/09/19 05:29 AM
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You’re not trying to be funny when talking to a girl. You’re trying to start / maintain a degree of light tension and in a lot of ways laughter releases tension. Most flirting styles boils down to the simple concept of simply being challenging to her in some way. This makes you both unpredictable and interesting for a hot girl who is used to men constantly trying to gain her favor and win her over. In your example an easy way to cause the tension is whatever she replies is say you hate it. Like …
/r/seduction29/09/19 08:57 PM
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I'm of the camp of people who believe that getting what you want out of life requires hustling. If you want to make money, but don't have any but have an idea. You bet your ass I'm gonna go out and bother the money men until someone funds my idea. And this is exactly what I did - I almost got fired for it for how aggressive I was about it. But that's the point - if I didn't push and keep fighting for it - then nobody would believe me. I turned a shitty little idea into a billion dollar one. I se…
/r/seduction28/09/19 01:42 PM
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It depends on how on you got them before you pulled. If you've already kissed outside, then this should work. If they try stopping your escalations at any of the next steps, just back off and let them cool off a bit and if they're still on then just restart the process again. Don't be needy and ask them to stay or force them into anything. This is supposed to be a fun thing for everyone involved. Once you get them into your place, don't talk or make yourselves more comfortable or even sit down. …
/r/seduction28/09/19 01:29 PM
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Have you tried physically escalating? Not talking about just going up and grabbing a girl or anything. Easiest way to escalate is just get closer and closer to a girl as you're talking to her and seeing if she backs away or stands her ground. Later on you can do more advanced versions such as body rocking. At some point it gets so close it feels natural to just put hands on her waist. The idea is to incrementally increase the physical touch between you two till you reach a makeout, then asking h…
/r/seduction28/09/19 01:18 PM
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Its a two step process. Step 1 - tell the negative thought why you don't believe in it (to generate optimism) Step 2 - reframe it into something positive - Example: Negative thought - I don't want to go. It seems boring. Step 1 - Go fuck this thought. Not going to listen to you anymore. Step 2 - Shouldn't judge by the cover. Its the experience that matters. I'm gonna fucking go.
/r/seduction28/09/19 12:58 PM
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There's a...I guess emotional threshold that's reached where the girl is like 'ok lets fuck'. And if you don't escalate/make moves to try to close her - they become aloof. Or say things to disengage like finding their friends, even though they're super on. If it happens in a night venue they don't go all the way cold. They'll disengage to make themselves available for another guy who will try to fuck them. Once girls make the decision they want to be pulled, they're very eager to have it happen …
/r/seduction28/09/19 12:35 PM
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This is like my wing’s night game opener. He compliments a girl then asks for a hug. I guess if your goal is to get hugs you can do lol
/r/seduction26/09/19 10:02 PM
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If you wait for guys to come and hit on you, it’s going to take forever for the guy you want and there’s a good chance he’s just a player type dude looking for something quick. I just know lots of the guys that approach are not looking for anything serious. If you’re as driven as you say then nothing is stopping you from approaching the guys you want and going from there. At the very least you’ll have control over the interaction and can setup if you want it to go in a fwb or serious direction.
/r/seduction24/09/19 03:44 PM
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By the book meaning he didn't really do anything out of the ordinary / extraordinary. If anything this is pretty typical pickup for someone of moderate skill level. If you're new then I recommend reading some sidebar material and starting with mystery method. MM will go over a lot of fundamental basics you need to know to learn game properly. Going out and winging it will only get you so far and very little results.
/r/seduction17/09/19 02:12 AM
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Yes mystery is helpful. It helps to get someone else's perspective on things to see if my understanding of game jives with theirs. Although many guys have different tactics to get girls, many underlying strategies are essentially the same. He was also the first to deconstruct what was a natural process so he's fairly technical - although you may want to skip the first few parts of his book because its more of a story. I learned a lot from swingcat's prizing. A type of frame where you hold yourse…
/r/seduction17/09/19 01:34 AM
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I like some of RSD's videos just for the energy they have more than they game they share. I like limitlessexp (a prankster) because its interesting the shit can say and get away with. Angrypicnic is in this category too. ToddV for some lines - he uses oldschool PUA flirting. When he flirts it sounds like all routines interestingly. I watch a variety of other PUAs for inspiration or sometimes just to try a new line and see what happens and if I can replicate the same reactions in girls. Some guys…
/r/seduction17/09/19 01:28 AM
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When cold approaching a group with intentions of fast isolation you have to lead it. Even mystery indirect is about leading the groups conversation instead of being just a member of the group. This is very typical - normal game.
/r/seduction16/09/19 10:33 PM
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It’s no different then a guy who dates the regular way. Guys on first dates dress up better, put on their A-game, wear cologne do their hair, workout, etc. You think guys keep doing that stuff throughout the entire relationship? The initial game is only to get attraction. If escalating correctly then he doesn’t need to keep talking like that to maintain her interest in him. It’s fairly well documented that verbal attraction game is only needed for like first 10 mins while talking to a girl and r…
/r/seduction16/09/19 06:03 PM
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A lot of game is very location specific and even race specific. Like in the US you can tease white/black girls off the bat, but you can’t tease asian girls off the bat because they’re too serious when meeting someone new (from cold approach). The safest types of game I’ve discovered that seems to work generically good across different cultures and races are cocky funny/prizing, making fun of yourself, and push-pull.
/r/seduction16/09/19 04:20 PM
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If you’re a newbie that can’t approach start on easy mode. Walk up to girls and ask for directions to places. Do this till you don’t get anxiety anymore and then start opening groups, and harder type sets. If you can approach but don’t know what to say then start watching videos of other pua and try to replicate their threads or lines. Or learn routines and try them out. Even naturals have good standby-by threads and lines they use over and over.
/r/seduction16/09/19 04:14 PM
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Yea I get that. People seem to forget mood and atmosphere matters a lot. We need more field reports - they hold far more value than that essay about approach anxiety that pops up every week. So I get cranky when people talk shit about them - especially if they have actual game embedded in it because the critics are too emotionally stunted to understand things like mood and context matters.
/r/seduction16/09/19 03:31 PM
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I’d say this story has a very high likelihood being true. The opener. I’ve used similar opening lines in the past with great success. If you think they’re cringy then I suggest cold approaching and opening a couple with it. It will work. if you don’t think they will then you don’t have much social experience. The isolation. It is possible to isolate a girl very quickly from her friends if you get one or two really good spikes in. The poster shared his lines and I can see them working. Midgame an…
/r/seduction16/09/19 02:25 PM
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I’ve seen girls say exactly this sort of thing after getting pulled and fucked the same night within 30 mins of meeting myself or one of my friends. Like they normally wouldn’t do this or that sort of thing. They’re not that sort of girl. Or she can’t believe those lines worked on her. But sometimes the right guy says the right things and it all feels right. It feels fucking magical and in that moment that stranger isn’t someone they just met but someone they feel sparks with. Someone they want …
/r/seduction16/09/19 02:08 PM
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You can cold approach. You'll get surprising results. I had a fwb that was bi that I met through cold approaching who was looking for a girl and we had this super open thing where she'd kind of be my wing woman for a bit and watch me do approaches. So for the fun of it she tried it on her own. She got more numbers then I'd expected and met up with some girls. The cold approach game she used wouldn't work if I did it, but it worked great for her.
/r/seduction15/09/19 04:15 PM
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You’ll be 10x more approachable if you’re by yourself.
/r/seduction29/08/19 11:52 PM
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Sometimes I have days where my regular shit doesn’t seem to be working. Instead of banging my head against the wall more and more or going home dejected I reframe the situation by saying to myself ‘alright fuck this I’m going to go get obliterated’. What I mean by this I actually start doing shitty game on purpose. Bad corny pickup lines, retarded shit, escalating too fast, basically not giving a shit and throwing away all the pickup rules I’ve learned till now. I focus on myself and have fun wi…
/r/seduction27/08/19 03:08 PM
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To build on smoothmax's response. Here's a vid where the guy is surrounded by dudes and he just basically remains unreactive till they go away https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XzOUDMKr9w
/r/seduction26/08/19 03:12 AM
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I say some lines that have a chance of working. 1st ‘you know every girl is allowed a second one right?’ works some of the time. Girl will usually laugh and sometimes you can continue gaming without issue. If she laughs but presses the issue about boyfriend, then use this one: ‘I’m just fucking around anyways. I’m just looking for fun, how about you?’ Some girls will say sure and stay and give you another chance. Some girls will stick to their guns. If that’s the case That’s about when I let the…
/r/seduction25/08/19 06:04 PM
1

What happens when you ask for a #?
/r/seduction25/08/19 03:14 PM
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I’m confused. What do you mean they’re closed off and have low standards? If they’re so closed off how do these girls even start fucking dating in the first place? How the fuck did they meet their boyfriends if they’re so distant. They probably met the guy through conventional means, friends or family. Not a cold approach. Like my cousins (still in asia) - the couples knew each other for years before they finally dated and did something. This is probably one of the best ways to land a hot girl a…
/r/seduction25/08/19 03:08 PM
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Almost anything works on groups. I don’t see much of a result difference from opening the group vs just opening one specific girl in it. You can just use your one girl opener on that one girl in that group. The only difference is the rest are listening in. Groups are a lot easier in different ways than solo girls.
/r/seduction25/08/19 03:51 AM
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Like what in particular? Just opening? Holding them? Isolating your girl?
/r/seduction25/08/19 03:40 AM
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It’s the stage where the girl is attracted and she isn’t trying to leave. Like they stay there talking to you.
/r/seduction24/08/19 10:24 PM
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Yea so far. But being bold gets girls hooked faster in general.
/r/seduction24/08/19 08:53 PM
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I read around a bit to understand what the general structure of game and realized I was too worried / thinking too far ahead when I had issues right in front of me. For example, although I could open a lot, I couldn't consistently open well. So I worked on that first. Like my AA - I worked on my game in stages. First started opening. Then opening well, consistently (like 90%) Then after opener attraction social hook. Then sexual escalation. And now the close, either # or pull.
/r/seduction24/08/19 03:16 PM
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I did mine in stages. 1st stage is just going out solo. So I did this every day until it became habit. Just went outside for an hour every day. 2nd stage was start opening. The first week I tried this I opened zero. Then I finally did 1. Then I gave myself a goal to try to get to 5/hr or more. And like working out, sometimes the next day I could do 2 sometimes not. But I always worked towards that goal. 3rd was attacking the inner game aspect of it. I asked myself why I couldn't approach more an…
/r/seduction24/08/19 02:24 PM
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Before even thinking about if game works or not you need to get AA eliminated or at least under control. The only way to get it under control is attack it both from outer game and inner game at the same time and just focus on attacking AA. Its too hard to fight wars on two fronts, so if you can focus on one (results or AA) I say fight AA. Once you get AA under control, you'll be able to open a shitton more girls that will accelerate your learning vs the guy who handicaps himself with AA and only…
/r/seduction24/08/19 02:12 PM
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Yea, I've had times where I walked up to girls, and before even speaking my first words they go 'NO'. Lol. Then the next approach 1 min later and its ON. I'm pretty aware of my %s of hard nos, maybes, and yes's. And I see approaching as rolling the dice between them. If I get a hard rejection, I've just that 1 out of 10. Oh well, time to roll that dice again, no big deal. I also have a mindset that each approach helps me shift the %s between them, like every approach, good or bad gives me like 0…
/r/seduction24/08/19 02:01 PM
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You don't need to open groups, you can just open 1 girl in it, even if she's in the middle and surrounded by her friends. Like I've gone in, going 'heeeeyyyy, there's something I need to say to you' and pointed at one girl being body guarded by all her friends. And then I walked through them to get to her. They almost always let me through and let me talk to the girl. Sometimes the friends will even leave and let me talk to her one on one. Other times they'll stay. Sometimes I'll get cockblocked…
/r/seduction23/08/19 01:13 PM
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Get your testosterone levels tested. Its the hormone that directly affects libido. Too low and you feel like a limp wristed sissy, while just right amount feels like you can conquer the world and fuck any girl. If its low, or if you want more, you can always get a doc to get a script for a patch for a boost. Or do it the natty way, work out and eat steaks.
/r/seduction23/08/19 01:07 PM
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Easiest to open would be areas near colleges who are sitting around. My only problem with college girls is their lack of social skills puts them into 'deer in headlights' mode too often on cold approach. I much rather prefer girls who are a little older at malls / day clubs because they aren't like that. But those girls are harder for most guys. For lines, just look up daygame openers on google and start trying them out.
/r/seduction23/08/19 01:03 PM
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I solo pretty much everyday. But I'll hang out with a random 2nd dude once in awhile. But for weekdays, I can only do around OC - the furthest north would be somewhere like CSULB - which I could get to by 330pm. If that's workable for you then we can try hanging out a few times.
/r/seduction23/08/19 12:58 PM
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Do it, its fine. I've walked into completely empty shops, gone up to the register, where the hired gun is surrounded by other hired guns and hit on the girl there in full sight of everyone else. A ton of retail workers are bored as shit. They're on autopilot. The very least you'll be able to do is make them smile and give them something to gossip over later. And that's way more fun than doing work. As for groups of people knowing each other, its fine to go up to and talk to 1 person in the group…
/r/seduction23/08/19 12:54 PM
1

Are you closer to oc or la?
/r/seduction23/08/19 12:49 PM
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This is known as LMR or last minute resistance. There are 2 strategies into overcoming this, one is the freeze out and the other is making her too horny to think. There is a 3rd but its pushing the envelop too much so I won't mention it. I suggest googling 'pua freeze out' or generically 'pua lmr' for further information. There are better and more indepth resources out there on the topic then what I can provide. All I can say it will work a surprising amount of times, but there's also chances it…
/r/seduction18/08/19 10:08 PM
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Np dude, go out there and slay it.
/r/seduction18/08/19 10:00 PM
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I wanted to see what #5 was and I'm not seeing how this chick is fat in any way. https://imgur.com/a/OQ9p2ML And besides, judging a dude for his tastes is a low blow dude. Everyone has different tastes. The dude in the video literally giggled after showing the pic - https://youtu.be/GwRcinvy2Ag?t=627 Ok buddy. This is honestly pathetic.
/r/seduction18/08/19 09:55 PM
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This is an idea I borrowed from weight lifting after an injury. Just some background for clarity, while working out to get bigger you're always upping the weight on your working sets. But sometimes, you fuck up, fail set, and hurt yourself. Its a pretty harsh blow to confidence to have take a break from that workout to nurse the injury for weeks then having to rebuild the mental strength to push heavy weights again. The way to get back into doing that lift again is to start light, at maybe 50% o…
/r/seduction18/08/19 09:49 PM
1

Wait, seriously? Like you would prefer your hand over a blowjob?
/r/seduction18/08/19 09:39 PM
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Learn to change motivation into drive. Basically, Motivation is feeling like wanting to do something, but no inner game. So its just a feeling and unstable. Discipline is logically wanting to do something but feeling is gone. So its inner game without feelings. You're just mechanically doing something. Drive is both feeling want to do something, with the logical desire to do something, with the inner game to do it. Figure out which part you're missing and work on that. You can always be in 'game…
/r/seduction18/08/19 09:32 PM
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This is fine. This is tactically correct. Are there better solutions, maybe. But it worked in getting her to respond to him after being ghosted. Look, sometimes you gotta do shit that looks 'needy' because not doing it may otherwise lose the girl. For example, on some dates, I'll pick a place that isn't too far away from her. Maybe its around the block for her to get to while its like 30 mins drive for me. Because it gets her out. She may not be down with a 30 min drive through traffic just to m…
/r/seduction18/08/19 09:25 PM
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No sorry. I’m pretty much self discovering a lot of this on my own. The only thing I know of utmost importance is that it is critical you are constantly challenging yourself. If you don’t you get complacent and can regress. The challenge that walks on the edge of your ability shows you where you are weak and where you can grow. Doing pickup is a fantastic grindingstone for constant growth.
/r/seduction15/08/19 07:30 PM
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Sticking with pickup and telling fuck you to anxiety will cure it. I mean completely annihilate it. Strengthening that ability to tell your negative Nancy to shut the fuck up is the 1st of two elements necessary for life success. The second element is understanding how to trigger drive instead of relying on motivation. If you’re positive, forward thinking, and have drive you’ve got the fundamental ingredients to be great. Not just good and getting by at life but actually great, like becoming wea…
/r/seduction15/08/19 02:08 PM
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I approach all girls I’d fuck - tingling sensations or not. Hell I approach girls I wouldn’t want to be seen in public with. My reason is because the learning exp is too valuable to just throw away. I follow a model learning of incremental improvements. So if I improve - all my sets improve. And I see every set as a possibly to improve an inch further.
/r/seduction12/08/19 11:09 PM
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Game is just a skill. A tool. And what you want out of it is a personal choice. Some people want game to find their soul mate others want to live like a pimp.
/r/seduction12/08/19 07:57 PM
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That’s the same kind of belief that some guys have about business sometimes. That they don’t deserve success because they’re just average guys who ‘lucked their way into it’. They don’t deserve it because there are harder and smarter people out there that deserve it more. Sounds ridiculous right? That’s cuz it is. If a girl is out there, go fucking take your shot. And have confidence in your approach and do the best you can do. Sure maybe you fail after doing everything right, but that’s just li…
/r/seduction12/08/19 06:13 PM
1

You don’t have a single idea why you’re failing? Like what your most common failure points are, where it happens etc?
/r/seduction12/08/19 05:48 PM
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Yea my experience says otherwise. So people by default think of they fuck up picking up a girl or aren’t getting her it’s due to not being ‘her type’? What kind of excuse is that lmao. That’s like saying you couldn’t hit the baseball cuz your bat is too short. Wait it just occurred to me girls do say to guys ‘sorry you’re not my type’ sometimes. And guys actually believe that? Really?
/r/seduction12/08/19 05:44 PM
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I started as a type of 4chan basement dweller sort of dude. I had to figure out everything I needed to fix purely by the reactions girls gave me. And the only way to do that is to approach a lot and be highly observant of their reactions. And be willing to try everything and tweak everything. That’s the fundamental skill needed to learn game. But not everyone has the constitution to experiment and fail over and over again on girls. So I just tell people my results to let them skip this pain proc…
/r/seduction12/08/19 05:37 PM
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I’ve helped you massively. The shit I just told you could accelerate your effort in learning game by years. But you’re telling me a lot of bullshit and how it’s too hard and complicated. And you only approach what, 20 girls per year? That’s a joke. Multiply that by 10 at least. Your approach rate is so low effort that I have a hard believing your other claims about having your shit together are as true as you claim.
/r/seduction12/08/19 05:15 PM
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Where did this ‘if you’re not her type you have zero chance to get her’ bs come from?
/r/seduction12/08/19 05:06 PM
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I made some comments yesterday regarding how you’re supposed to flirt. That’s what you’re supposed to say. If you really need to be held by the hand look up pua day game stack or pua night game stack for an a-to-z script. But frankly speaking if you’re consistently getting bad opening results no amount of midgame will really save your conversation.
/r/seduction12/08/19 04:26 PM
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Look, I’m gonna draw a line here. I’m not your personal coach and I have no obligation to you. Saying that I’ve done my best to not get too involved, I’ve spelt out the basics you need to get started. This is above and beyond the attention I give most guys and this is entering personal coaching levels. All I’m gonna say more on this topic is you are deficient in one or several of the foundations. Maybe what you think should be acceptable enough effort is clearly not. I started off not knowing an…
/r/seduction12/08/19 04:05 PM
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How can you not have conviction to do this? Unless you’re getting girls left and right off tinder this is basically your last lifeline before settling (or for most guys) their only hope for getting any girls.
/r/seduction12/08/19 03:48 PM
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Lol man you must be reading through my history. If you met some of the guys I’ve met you don’t want a single one going there and scaring the girls away. That shit actually happens. I posted about one good venue online once and now they ban anyone they can catch doing pickup there.
/r/seduction12/08/19 03:44 PM
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Look your inner game needs a lot of work. It’s was never implied doing pickup cold approaching was going to be some kind of magic pill that anyone could do with minimal effort. If it was tinder wouldn’t need to exist. You have two options, continue the normal way you’ve been dating / getting results no matter how shitty it is and seeing yourself doing the same thing for next 10 years. Or go out to learn a skill that’s hard as shit but the payoff is you will choose any girl you want to be with. I…
/r/seduction12/08/19 03:42 PM
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The foundational elements are meant to address the minimum required appearance needed to approach. You can be uggo (like im legit ugly for an asian dude 3/10) and i roll up into groups of hot girls and they’re already smiling before I open my mouth. If you’re getting shot down early on then you are missing one of those foundational elements. That’s the bottom line. Like you may claim you’ve got them down but your results are saying otherwise.
/r/seduction12/08/19 03:29 PM
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You need to have the sort of eye contact that you’re aware of doing. Like look her in the eye and try to look into her soul. The fact you’re not aware of these things tells me you are approaching partly on autopilot and girls pick that shit up really easily. And they don’t like it. You need to approach fully in the moment and fully in control. Girls can tell. Speaking with conviction is just speaking like you believe in what you’re saying. Basically if you don’t sound like you believe in what yo…
/r/seduction12/08/19 03:13 PM
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I'll answer seriously but each of the other responses have actual value. 1 - don't wank/watch porn for awhile. I don't know what it is that does this, but shit does seem to change when you don't wack off for awhile. Try it for 7 days and you'll notice people will start acting different around you. 2 - have dominant eye contact when you're flirting. Like be aware in the moment that you're making eye contact with her, stare fucking deep into them. 3 - get closer when you talk to girls, cut your di…
/r/seduction12/08/19 01:01 PM
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Push-pull - like 'you are so sweet, but i better stay away or might end up with cavities' - its saying something good (pull) then saying something that 'pushes' her away. This is probably one of the most effective flirting techniques because what makes a spike a spike is the emotional difference a girl feels. Most of these other skills are really just bumps up, but a push-pull makes a girl go down and then back up. Cold reading - like...guessing what sign a girl is - they get curious about your …
/r/seduction12/08/19 12:37 PM
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Google pua bantering. You'll get more examples, even if its old stuff. It'll be enough examples to at least let you know that some of this flirting shit is like speaking in another language. But luckily someone was nice to write it down so we can memorize it for the right occasion.
/r/seduction12/08/19 12:24 PM
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Basically almost all the hard cases look like or actually are basement dwellers and are refusing to make the changes needed to do pu. Its not autism, or any other -ism its stubbornness or ignorance. If they can't get / learn the most basic of social etiquette figured out before meeting a guy who can possibly change their life...then learning game will not help them. The thing is, I was that type of a person too - shit I was literally shit posting on 4chan when I saw a thread on pickup. I was a h…
/r/seduction12/08/19 12:02 PM
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There are good kissers and there are bad kissers. Like I don't think people kiss and think 'this person must be a virgin' - just if its good or bad. And since you're a girl, he might be happy enough kissing you and not give a shit that you're licking his face like a dog.
/r/seduction12/08/19 05:26 AM
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The next ones are the things you do when you open, - Approach with a smile - Have extremely strong eye contact - as in almost never looking away - Speak with conviction - Strong committal to the approach or strong 'intensity' Like I commonly find that approaching a girl, fully squared up like I'm going to fight her with that level of eye contact is effective enough to get a girl smiling 80% of the time I'm approaching. If your results are less, then you are probably missing one of the previously…
/r/seduction12/08/19 05:16 AM
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You're skipping way ahead, I'm talking about just basic in-person presentation to people. Most guys who don't get better don't look like normal people - they clearly look like 'losers'. Like you don't need to look like a greek god, just presentable. I've basically found this boils down to 4 physical attributes that are easily fixed: - Wear fitted clean clothes - Do your hair in some kind of style - Look clean (mainly your face) - And stand up straight (not hunched over like a gamer - girls are s…
/r/seduction12/08/19 05:01 AM
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If you're a girl...just ask them if they're single, if they're think you're cute, and if they have time for coffee later that day.
/r/seduction12/08/19 04:56 AM
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Yea, that happens. I've given up on people too because they are lacking in some of the fundamental skills and I can tell its going to be impossible for them to get better. And they appear to refuse trying to learn them.
/r/seduction12/08/19 04:46 AM
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The most important term in there is spiking. Spiking is a fundamental skill essential for getting attraction. This is a term used for using specific words or actions to make a girl's emotions spike up. This may be easier explained using relative emotions. Lets say there is a tv show or video game you like. Imagine before you liked it, something about it caught your eye and made you interested. That initial interest was an emotional spike. This is the same type of spike game is supposed to invoke…
/r/seduction12/08/19 04:33 AM
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I've noticed a lot of guys who have approached a lot and still don't have anything to show for it are missing a shitload of the basics. So they're failing before they get a chance to open their mouths. You can't really help them with game at this point, they need someone there to point out which foundation skills they're missing. Like I've met a guy who did game everyday for almost a year, with zero lays. I met him and it turns out the dude has horrible grooming habits and bad bodylanguage and l…
/r/seduction12/08/19 03:12 AM
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Have you tried in here? Like make a post asking for wing in your area.
/r/seduction11/08/19 10:35 PM
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I've tested porn and no porn. And I'd have to go with no porn is better even if you've got all your shit together. I have a very high mentally and physically demanding job. Sometimes I work 10-12 hours a day sometimes the entire time on my feet. With no porn I can put 110% into my job and then go out and game with no problems. If I watch porn and wack off, I notice that my work quality suffers and so does my game. Sometimes I go home too 'tired' to game on days like that. The concrete benefits I…
/r/seduction10/08/19 03:20 PM
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All I know is it got me from 100% blowouts at opener to the point where I can get same day pulls. No reason to start doubting the process now.
/r/seduction10/08/19 12:14 AM
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Reach out and find a wing. You might need a guy to push you to start right. Or just see someone else do it.
/r/seduction09/08/19 09:30 PM
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Direct if you’re shy. Indirect you gotta do more talking.
/r/seduction09/08/19 09:27 PM
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Nah this ain’t true. I have no talent at pickup but I’m above average skill I think. Talents are people who have some sort of natural skill that makes them unusually good fast. Like some guys are naturally smiley, flirty, high energy etc. You can definitely get there via discipline and consistency and a push to constantly improve. Also it’s not a competition, there’s a point of skill you cross where it all just starts making sense. And girls start getting easier. You’re not competing with other …
/r/seduction09/08/19 09:24 PM
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I think anyone that’s part of a larger wingman pua group should prolly post here if they’re open to meeting new people. I’m in one that’s about 5 people in size from OC/LA. Almost all of us are near daily solo’ers but we meet up when we can.
/r/seduction09/08/19 09:20 PM
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I only need a sample of 5 to 10 girls. I’ve done this enough times to know that’s effective enough to work with. Now I get that’s not enough for a scientific study, but this isn’t that. I use a very structured game to minimize the randomness of each interaction. It’s fairly easy for me to test using these conditions. If you’re not used to this type of game then each of your interactions are probably highly variable and random. Then I get where you are coming from. But this is not that, from usin…
/r/seduction09/08/19 09:03 PM
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You can approach two sets the same way you approach one. You can just walk up and go direct on the girl you want then introduce yourself to her friends. Or you can open both with 1 opener.
/r/seduction09/08/19 05:13 PM
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Yea I’ve learned tons. I do a/b testing of different lines at specific stages of my pickup and I can reliably say that the words you say do matter. Like sometimes the effectiveness of certain actions or words can ruin or close the interaction perfectly. I also use a structure so I can reliably replicate certain points of a social interaction to do my testing. But a lot of guys just wing it and do whatever and if you’re like that, then testing and learning stuff is gonna be way harder.
/r/seduction09/08/19 04:40 PM
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They’re both ingredients in a recipe that attracts a girl. They’re both important but if you’re really good in one it’s ok to be weak in another. I see it like this, let’s say you need 20 pts to get a girl. You get 2 ways to get there, looks or game. Let’s say guys with average looks get 10 pts to looks and average game is like 5 pts. If you’re a 17pt looking dude you can get away with 3 (below average game) and still get girls. The thing about looks is it is genetically limited. No amount of po…
/r/seduction09/08/19 03:29 PM
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This seems way off for me for several reasons but i'll play along. A better analogy would be is looks, not height. If you're going to assume every pick up is a competition (which it isn't) looks is a greater factor in that competition than height.
/r/seduction09/08/19 12:16 PM
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Don’t focus on approaching if this is where you’re at. You should focus on building good habits such as being able to go outside by yourself just to enjoy the moment. Then if you happen to find a woman to approach, then do it. Easiest way to do this is just set a time to go out after work and just stay out for an hour or so. And do it every day. By 7 days you should have the momentum of just going out and won’t have the thoughts you’re posting about anymore. There’s always a lot of dead time bet…
/r/seduction05/08/19 05:12 PM
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Eh can say anything. Just make it fun. So what are you doing? Besides looking for hot guys?/besides looking good? Just don’t get sucked too much into her vibe where she leads convos. You should be leading and she should be getting sucked into your flow.
/r/seduction05/08/19 04:52 PM
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If she has time it’s possible to go from the first interaction to hooking up and skipping the number altogether. I haven’t tried what you’re asking though. Getting a number then having her come over to hook up. I’ve always at least asked the girl to meet up for a quick coffee and then 5 mins later we bounce. Guess I’ll try this out.
/r/seduction05/08/19 04:43 PM
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Approaching sober and soloing daygame will help reduce/eliminate general anxiety and unrelated anxiety. Its less about the action itself, and more about using approaching anxiety as a grindstone to strengthen your inner game. Strong inner game can completely nuke almost any anxiety, including completely unrelated ones to pickup. Although I cannot speak for depression, my takeaway from reading several books on the matter is a lot of depression is caused by a negative thought patterns that feeds i…
/r/seduction05/08/19 02:17 AM
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The typical strategy here is to just plow. Basically ignore the fact that she isn't vibing and try your luck with the next thing you're gonna say. Its not just saying random shit (although some people do this too) but its just another attempt at a spike or a setup for one. Like if you know the girl is going to be aloof, asking yes/no questions will yield enough feedback to setup a spike. I can attest this will work - especially if you're skilled in several different ways of flirting. Sometimes t…
/r/seduction04/08/19 10:01 PM
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You should probably ask this in r/dating or something for more normal dudes. The guys here would probably approach nearly anything. You could be in a group of friends with headphones and I would probably still try to approach. That said, when I newer - I tried to look for 'easier to open girls'. These would mostly be girls who are by themselves (couldn't do groups of girls yet), in an area with few people (I didn't want to be seen approaching), and aren't in the corner somewhere (so the approach…
/r/seduction04/08/19 09:56 PM
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The thing his person is talking about is simply known as State in the PUA community. Or Godmode in others. You don't really want to learn how to do this because as its name implies, its not something that can be executed all the time. You're better off learning how to utilize your normal energy and learn how to evolve that into a charismatic person so you're just normally charismatic all the time without effort.
/r/seduction04/08/19 04:48 PM
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That's nice, but that way is learning goes against virtually all rules of learning any skill of difficulty. The only people who get good like that is basically down to luck. The surest most consistent way of training new people into a new skill is by following structure and routines. Like if you picked someone to learn MMA - you teach him basics like stance, punching, and kicking. Then move on to prememorized combos. And you do them over and over till its muscle memory. You don't tell him to pun…
/r/seduction04/08/19 04:39 PM
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Mystery catches a lot of flak but I know a few guys who got really good using his method. It just sounds super corny, but if it works then there's value there. A lot of the old school pua stuff has a ton more value I've found then a lot of the more recent stuff. Some stuff doesn't work anymore, but that could just be my situation vs their's (it is 10+ yo game) but its so easy to just go out and test that its no sweat. For anyone that is struggling, put away Models and pick up one of these old sc…
/r/seduction04/08/19 04:29 PM
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This is proper attitude. But I think people only get to this point after approaching a lot. Most new guys (under 50 approaches) won't approach smoking hotties and I'm standing there like 'bro, we're doing this to get those kinds of girls' and you only get better at getting them by going up and taking your shot. Half the battle of smashing a hotty is finding one. Real 8s 9s and 10s are super fucking rare to just come across in normal life.
/r/seduction04/08/19 04:11 PM
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It should be binary, if you would smash or not. 1 or 0. The rating is purely a dick measuring contest, like some dude would be like 'BRO I GOT A HB10!!!'. When in reality hotness doesn't translate to difficulty. I think most guys who approach have realized that the hotter the girl is the better game works on them, so for most, hotter girls can be a lot easier than barely cute or average girls.
/r/seduction04/08/19 04:07 PM
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Easiest way to talk about sex is starting with a sexual story like how today you’re were at the beach and saw this dude jogging. But he was in this tiny speedo, and you realized you could see his dick outline bouncing around every step. Now this is a made up story, but you’re not directly talking about sex but girls are very imaginative and you can bet your ass their envisioning some dude running around with his dangly bits bouncing around. You’re just conveying an experience you had - similar t…
/r/seduction03/08/19 01:57 PM
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For 1-200 approaches most guys are still dealing with AA. Their approach rate is still low and that should be the thing they should work on first along with the basics. Your habits should be more aligned to going out almost every day for 1 hr and doing around 3-5 approaches if possible. Your results will be mostly decent at opening with girls smiling at least 80% of the time. Most interactions are 1 min or less. You may get numbers but 99% flake. 200-300 approach range you should have all the ba…
/r/seduction03/08/19 01:48 PM
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So I’ve asked that here before and I basically ended up someone new to hang out with every week even though my area’s seddit seems pretty dead. I think it had to do with the fact I’ve mentioned in several posts that I was from LA/OC area and fairly active on here. If possible I’d ask the mods to create flairs for people so they can tag their area beside their username to help encourage wings finding each other.
/r/seduction03/08/19 01:35 PM
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Just pretend your friends are there and just do rounds hitting on girls. Going out solo has been the only time I’ve had girls approach me at night.
/r/seduction03/08/19 01:32 PM
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I’ve hung out with a lot of guys doing cold approaching game. Some very attractive to non-attractive. Some fashionable and some not. The only thing I’ve seen that dramatically impact how girls perceive a guy to the point where they would run away or constant denials of dates boils down to vibe. Specifically two, one is the creepy vibe which is usually the result of bad posture and personal space issues, the other is too serious vibe, the person discusses heavy topics without smiling or sounding …
/r/seduction03/08/19 01:25 PM
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These aren't cherry picked...but a few weeks ago my wing told me to use some weird pickuplines he'd give me. And I'd go open and swing for the fences. Keep in mind, these were meant to be terrible, but for some reason these 2 worked to open girls up. ​ - I love big butts and I cannot lie I had to yell this at a girl 3x because the venue was so loud she couldn't hear the whole thing. I couldn't tell she had a big butt because she was sitting down. Anyways, after she got it, she smiled very warmly…
/r/seduction02/08/19 01:28 PM
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My no go are mainly eating. I’ve had way too many bad interactions in that setup to bother opening anymore. Like o rather stop a jogger on the phone and open that then open a girl eating. Everything else you listed are perfectly ok times to approach. You really won’t find a girl sitting around doing nothing like she’s waiting to be approached. You’re gonna interrupt them doing stuff anyways.
/r/seduction01/08/19 08:28 PM
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Out of curiosity - why not just set the date up in person instead of over text?
/r/seduction01/08/19 08:19 PM
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Some girls are legit just crazy. Nothing to do with feminism. That type of girl’s reaction is like a 1 in 1000 kind of thing. I’ve approached 100s and I’m sure some guys here have 1000s and that is not at all typical behavior. And it never will be because it’s fucking ridiculous.
/r/seduction01/08/19 08:11 PM
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I’m a bit confused - you’re saying you have success with it. Does that mean you’ve gotten past that sticking point several times successfully already?
/r/seduction01/08/19 06:25 PM
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You don’t need to be a girl’s physical type to get her. Girls have two attraction switches one for physical and one for emotional/connection. That’s why even if you’re not her type - a lot of girls will be neutral and still give guys a shot. Now not her type is not the same as hates your type. Just like not-liking someone is not the same as hating them. It just means your type doesn’t score very high on her physical attraction meter but it’s not going into the negatives.
/r/seduction01/08/19 05:19 PM
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Daygame seems harder to learn for most people. If you want to get good, the #1 thing I suggest is go out every day and approach at least 5 girls a day for several months. There's no magic pill I can say that'll help you pull girls during the day without at least having some kind of working method first. Like I'm better at pinpointing a method's weakness then just telling some dude I've never met some kind of structure to pull. Pretty much every pull is kind of random and depends on the challenge…
/r/seduction01/08/19 01:21 PM
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What is lvl 3 QFT - like what sort of physical moves are you doing by that point and how long does it take to get there? Depending on your verbal game and physical game style you can make out with girls during the day in 5 mins.
/r/seduction01/08/19 01:15 PM
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Dude it sounds like you're being catfished. Thats why they don't want to meet up.
/r/seduction01/08/19 01:32 AM
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Wait...I'm really confused. How have you been dating a girl you've never met?
/r/seduction01/08/19 01:28 AM
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More like humans in general are addicted to emotions. Girls just have less filter, lower tolerance, and react more strongly to emotions. If you can make a girl feel emotions, its more like you become her cocaine.
/r/seduction01/08/19 01:12 AM
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Its really just google around, also include the word 'pua' with it. Like google cold reading pua since you specifically want seduction stuff. Pick the parts you feel will work and go try them out. A/B test the shit out of everything to keep improving.
/r/seduction01/08/19 01:04 AM
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Try this exercise, go up to a mirror, and have a conversation with yourself while looking yourself in the eye. You're not allowed to flick your eyes away to think or look at anything else. You're better off doing it 100% and from there improving it to a level you're comfortable and confident with then trying to under-do it and 'leveling it up'. Shitty eye contact can really nuke your chances with a lot of girls.
/r/seduction01/08/19 01:02 AM
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No you don't need to be high energy to keep a girl's attention. I have very low energy, but my flirting skills are pretty good. If you're a boring dude, then you need to start learning a flirting style. There are tons, from teasing, bantering, sexual miscommunication, push-pull, cold reading, etc. Just pick one that sounds good to you and learn how to use it casually in conversation. You'll start getting a feel for it and it'll start to come naturally. Probably one the most basic levels of flirt…
/r/seduction01/08/19 12:57 AM
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If you physically escalate the girls will stay. If you get them horny, you can pull. If you just talk they'll stay up to a point and then leave. I don't know where all these other day gamers are where they end up in 10-30 mins convos with random walking street sets, but in my experience almost nobody has that much time to just stand and have a casual conversation. Its like 1 out of 5-10 girls that have that much time to just chill and talk. Aside from that walking solo daygame sets are probably …
/r/seduction01/08/19 12:48 AM
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I wouldn’t recommend going into sales. That’s like an person who likes art going into animation. Being forced to do it, in a consistently hostile environment will wear you down to the point you hate it. Even if you go into well paying sales, you’re basically a slave to the person paying you. Most sales get very minimal support. Meaning it’s not like you make a sale, walk away to your next one. You have to handhold them through the entire process (which could take months of babysitting), cater to…
/r/seduction30/07/19 03:55 PM
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Using compliments may not be the best thing in game but it’s not a bad way to start leveling up and getting experience with girls. Virtually every other method of flirting takes at least 2x effort to learn and that’s assuming you get lucky and can actually learn it. Like maybe some people can figure out algebra but some game is like particle physics. Sure maybe the particle physics type game is end all and be all of game, but you’re not gonna not know any math and then learn that kind of game. Y…
/r/seduction30/07/19 03:44 PM
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This actually seems like a decent way to teach someone to keep moving forward and push for a little extra even in the face of opposition. Here we call holding frame and getting through shittests but it’s actually hard to apply if you are completely new.
/r/seduction30/07/19 03:36 PM
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That thing about having a normal convos with interesting physically is insanely hard to learn and calibrate to. I know that’s what rsd is doing but do you know any resources to step by step learn something from that? Every time I try I feel like I’m 1 step from being arrested. I can do verbal attraction game+physically escalate but not do the ‘no verbal attraction’ but physically escalate game.
/r/seduction29/07/19 09:26 PM
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Are you uglier than this guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpWXV3bSGWI
/r/seduction29/07/19 02:28 AM
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In both times, I had met the girl alone. The friend was someone I didn't meet yet. I wasn't worried, but she was reacting to it enough to have it kinda start ruining the vibe. Like checking it everytime it made a noise and stuff. I had kept telling her to put it away, and she did, but she kept pulling it back out.
/r/seduction28/07/19 03:54 PM
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I don't take into account things like you're thinking about. My thinking is more about addressing immediate problem and getting to the next step instead of looking/analyzing too far ahead. I just knew if I don't get her to stop taking those messages and calls, I'm going to lose the pull. So I wasn't worried about doing something drastic, because if I did nothing, I was gonna lose it anyways. Afterwards, the girl kept seeing me afterwards. Oh btw, the 2nd one - I did tell her to turn off her phon…
/r/seduction28/07/19 03:13 PM
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I've had this happen before ... during the day in 2 diff times. So the first one is the girl won't stop getting texts and calls from the friend as I'm pulling. So told her very strongly...turn off your phone. Like it wasn't a conversational thing. Because I knew if she kept it on, it wasn't gonna happen. So this was a do or die moment. I put a lot of commitment into that sentence. And the girl turned it off, and the pull was successful. The other time, similar thing. Getting text and calls, but …
/r/seduction28/07/19 02:39 PM
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Setup a habit to go out every day at certain time for a certain length of time. Don't miss a single day for any reason. If you happen to run across a few cute girls, then open them. But even if you don't feel like gaming, go out anyways and walk around thinking about game at least. Within around 7 days or a bit longer, it'll become momentum (and later habit). Then by that time of day rolls around, you'll want to go out, and your brain knows you do this to get girls so then you'll be in the right…
/r/seduction28/07/19 04:24 AM
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I think what most people misunderstand about pua was it was not homogenous. There were many different competing strategies and schools of thought. Just like how there’s tons of martial arts from around the world. Maybe there was one particular outspoken guru may have claimed looks don’t matter. But for sure, most gurus agreed that having good body language and grooming would defiantly help.
/r/seduction28/07/19 12:45 AM
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No they were around during the end of PUA stuff. At first they were the guys that failed and bought into the whole pua marketing of looks don’t matter. They also claim that ‘game’ doesn’t work either and looks is everything. The thing is, before tinder (before online dating) there was only real life approaching. And back then average looking dudes could possibly hookup and date chicks out of their league. The flake/ghost culture wasn’t as aggressive back then. PUA movement was an attempt to codi…
/r/seduction27/07/19 06:47 PM
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Same here. Brain gets slow. Lose focus, presence and calibration. I don’t even want to talk to people even a bit tipsy because I start talking like a retard.
/r/seduction27/07/19 03:21 PM
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Guys wanna be lazy. For some reason dating/love/sex life isn't something most guys want to think about. It just kinda happens like a hallmark movie. Most people work their entire lives to get good jobs, its something they spend entire lives training for. Then if they want good bodies and stay healthy, they work out and train for. But not love, not dating, you're not allowed to talk about training to get better at it. Yea its hard to figure out. But the results are legitimate. Getting better with…
/r/seduction27/07/19 01:19 PM
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Does that game work for anyone else? I tried that type of game as one of the first styles because ...well, its pretty simple. Pretty much very light hearted chitchat. But resulted in tons of numbers and no results. Tried everything from 5 mins convos to 30 min ones. Nada. I had to evolve to spiking game - its not natural to me, but damn it gets the job done better than anything else I've tried.
/r/seduction27/07/19 03:08 AM
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It depends on the venue you're meeting them. If you're on their campus, or attending a college type event, you're that old weird fuck by 25-28. But if you meet them at the bar, casually at the mall, etc. Its perfectly ok. Like I met this 18 yo the other day at a target and she was into me from the get go (I'm mid-late 30s), but it would've been a totally different story if I was cruising her college looking for girls to talk to.
/r/seduction27/07/19 02:47 AM
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First, pick a place that isn't too near where you live / work. Like don't go your neighborhood target for example to start learning game. For daygame, in order of best venues to worst, beaches, targets, outdoor malls, indoor malls, wholefoods, street game, etc type places. For nightgame, (btw you don't have to drink to nightgame, plenty of people run it sober), bars, clubs, night street game. You just walk up to a girl or stop her and say something. That's it. Don't worry about anything else.
/r/seduction26/07/19 01:03 PM
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Its not a competition with others dude. Don't measure yourself against other people. Only measure against your past self and get better. Some people just have natural talents that make them inexplicably better at something like PU. That's just the way life is. You don't need to be as good or better than those people to get decent results.
/r/seduction26/07/19 12:53 PM
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Do you game anywhere but college campuses? Spiking isn't necessary on campuses because the girls there are easy going and easy to start conversations with. In situations where people are not giving you enough attention or time to talk to them (any girl who is walking/standing in a big city, and also often in night game) - they won't be easy going or just start answering really boring questions with real answers. They will be short, terse, and aloof. You have 2 seconds to make an impression beyon…
/r/seduction26/07/19 12:40 PM
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Yea looks like I got the right place. Yo I’m also asian and head up to LA to game in the weekends. Wanna meet up sometime?
/r/seduction25/07/19 07:10 PM
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Because if I blasted it then it won’t be like that anymore. I’m fairly certain any guys who are decent at game already know this place anyways.
/r/seduction25/07/19 05:08 PM
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I’m just saying I’ve been there with similar results. For how hot the girls are - some there are unusually easy.
/r/seduction25/07/19 02:21 PM
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Its a bit light on the details, but I bet I know what venue this is in LA. And if it is, then this is possible. That venue is like wall to wall 9s and 10s all the time, and sometimes even has more hot chicks then guys in it. Going there is wild too. Some days every girl is out to obliterate every guy and some days every girl is easy to open and vibe with. Its possible to find a 9 or 10 super hotty that is just pretty much is dtf from the get go that isn't super drunk or anything.
/r/seduction25/07/19 01:16 PM
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Yo real talk. This is legit good advice for newbies. #4 is fucking essential to getting super consistent good results super fast. Like some guys I know have been trying to learn game without some kind of structure for years and they still suck. Like in it for 5 years and maybe 3 lays sort of suck. But the guys who have some kind of pickup structure, whether it has a full script, or just waypoints of physically escalations are the ones who started getting good results in under a year. My only thi…
/r/seduction23/07/19 12:40 PM
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Yo, I do street game as well. I open well consistently but man, something like 40% of the girls I open while walking are busy as shit and can't do more than opener and a name and a phone # exchange. Are you seeing similar ratios of just having super short exchanges and that's it?
/r/seduction23/07/19 04:25 AM
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You don't need to be witty or funny to get a girl. You just need to know how to move a girl's emotions up and down. Being funny is just one way to do it. And you can get by perfectly fine using a handful of canned lines just to get attraction going. The hardest part of attraction is just getting it started, but once it is, a girl will pretty much start laughing at anything you say anyways. But yea, you don't need to be brilliantly funny to get a girl. You just need to know how to start attractio…
/r/seduction23/07/19 04:18 AM
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I look for tats. A lot of girls have them - I approach at the beach so when girls wear sunglasses and huge hats its pretty impossible to tell from even 3 ft away. When they're laying down its completely impossible. Ankle, arms, or back are most likely places. Luckily its summer so girls are wearing less, so easier to see them.
/r/seduction23/07/19 04:13 AM
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I have an irrational hatred of this book for some reason. Every possible wing I've gone out with that has raved about this book have been some of the creepiest weirdos I've ever met. I've met some guys who have read it who felt it was so-so - but wouldn't recommend it were some of the best wings I've met on the other hand. This book is a great way to tell who is actually decent at PU and who isn't. The guys who recommend it almost never are.
/r/seduction23/07/19 04:04 AM
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A spike is something you do to bounce a girl's emotions beyond her normal range of control. Like lets say a girl can usually hover at an emotional range of 4-6 and can manage it. Certain actions or things you say and push her into 7 or 8. Here is a spike in action (first 10 seconds) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ge5-adQAI Spikes are an easy way to get high level attraction really fast. My type of flirting is basically nonstop spiking. There's no downtime or vibing or wasting time with words.…
/r/seduction23/07/19 01:23 AM
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Yea, those are great foundations. Like a lot of things really boil down to simple concepts, like if you want a good fit body. Its literally eat a good diet to bulk, lift heavy, cut, and lift heavy. And repeat till you're as big as you want to be. I'm not sure how fitness people manage to stay in biz repeating the same shit over and over but they do. But apparently its a hard concept to grasp because people ask the same questions about it over and over. PU does actually drill down to some very ba…
/r/seduction22/07/19 11:37 PM
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I learned really early in life that I wasn't the smartest, funniest, or most talented person out there. The only thing I can give is my effort. And it turns out no matter how talented or smart people are, most aren't willing to put in effort. And it turns out that's the #1 ingredient for success, whether it be for professional, health (working out), or women. And giving effort is easy. Unlike other things in life which require insane amount of luck (like becoming a decent basketball player - you…
/r/seduction22/07/19 11:31 PM
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Like rejections arent really rejections. Not even at night. The worst thing that happens is girls just ignore you. Nobody is gonna throw drinks at your face or make fun of you. It’s not like your reputation is gonna be tarnished forever. In night game you can even reopen the set later cuz most girls just forget that you just tried to open them 1 hr ago. if you open enough, you just end up forgetting who you opened and just do the same girls again. It’s honestly not a big deal. I mean did have a …
/r/seduction22/07/19 09:27 PM
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I used to cruise simplepickup forums which still had some people on it. Met a few dudes and now we’re wings. But it was down the other day so I ended up posting for wings on reddit and met a dude the next day and we hung out and gamed. Best way was to find guys online. It’s hard as shit to find decent people who want to actually get good and put in the time.
/r/seduction22/07/19 09:19 PM
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Walk up to her, get her attention with hey, or hand waiving. Once she's looking at you, "You are goddamn cutie." "What's your name?" Shake hands or something. "I know you're waiting on something, so prolly means you don't have a lot of time. But I promise you, I'm totally worth it." Determine how 'on' she is. If on, I go for quick isolation / body repositioning "Yo you got 2 seconds?" - if no, keep gaming with spikes. If anything but no like 'what for? sure? ok...etc' respond with 'awesome, lets…
/r/seduction22/07/19 05:57 PM
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Cute is a vibe - hot/gorgeous/anything about eyes/any physical attribute has much higher risk of not working. I’ll call smoking hot chicks cute. I’ll call milfs cute, etc.
/r/seduction22/07/19 04:39 PM
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I only do physical if the girl starts reacting genuine - like really reactive. Extended giggling - that sort of thing. That’s the thing I’m looking for and then I start going for the kill - but not like night game like just grabbing them. I’ll ask for their hand, then pull them in. If no resistance and still on, keep escalating. Get really close, and if she’s still on and not resisting - then go for the kiss. I know about 20-30% of my opens the girls open right off the bat correctly for me to st…
/r/seduction22/07/19 03:57 PM
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First, cold approaching is so rare (I assumed you were talking about daygame) that most people will think a stranger approaching another means they’re friends or acquaintances. Or he’s trying to sell her something, or convert her to a religion. Second, Why do you care what strangers think? You’ll never see them again. This really literally isn’t worth the mental energy you’re putting into it. I approach around other people often - like in crowded places enough that others definitely notice me do…
/r/seduction22/07/19 02:23 PM
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All I’m hearing are excuses. I’m nearly 40 - I still go full speed at something I want to do. And I want to do pickup. If you wanna half ass it then you’re going to get half ass results. That’s the bottom line. If you want something, you do whatever it takes or sacrifices required to make it happen. When I started I got shot down 100% of the time for months before I figured it out. But I kept gaming every single day. There’s a learning curve that’s gonna take a shitload of willpower to overcome.…
/r/seduction22/07/19 02:13 PM
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I use a type of 2 but I don't comment on looks. I comment on vibe - like her energy. I don't follow up with getting # tho. Its just a comment on vibe. About 90% of girls love it. Like big smiles and such right off opener. About 30% of that will be super duper on right from the get go. I go after those, I start physically escalating them and isolating them. Not really having a conversation, just going for the pull or kiss at that point. This is from daygame btw.
/r/seduction22/07/19 12:49 PM
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Yo, there's nothing in just opening girls. Even if her dad comes or her bf comes it doesn't matter. Most people will see 2 people talking and thats it. Just don't be creepy and keep pushing if she's not into it. I've accidentally opened a lot of underaged girls in very public places (I'm shit at telling ages) - like one right next to her mom. Girls like a sincere opener. Moms seems to like them too. I just didn't keep going when the mom told me she was 15 and it was all cool. I've also accidenta…
/r/seduction22/07/19 12:41 PM
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Nah - its better to have the girl over at your place then not. Try getting them horny by offering them a massage that's basically foreplay. You get them on your bed, laying face down. See if you can get them to remove their top (most will). And start rubbing her shoulders, biting and kissing back of her neck. Rub down her back. If she's wearing a bra, ask her to unclasp it. Just rub, bite, and kiss down her body to her ass. Once at her ass - skip it and go straight to the ass crease where it mee…
/r/seduction22/07/19 12:33 PM
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The learning process for any new skill requires willpower. You won't reach any kind of decent skill level without pushing/challenging yourself. Using it will fix your entire inner game thats causing you problems. Using work arounds will not.
/r/seduction22/07/19 12:14 PM
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Is this a cold approach? Or a warm one? When I open sets (I'm soloing) - I just use direct. The target tends to love it, the friends do too. I've seen friends 'squeee' over the girl I went direct on. They then try to set us up or at least give me a chance with her one on one. Hell, i've had sets just grab their girls and leave the area leaving my girl behind so we can chat, without prompting. This also seems to work on mixed sets where there are more girls than guys. If they shoot you down, just…
/r/seduction21/07/19 03:07 PM
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A lot of this comes down to reinforced negative thinking. You're in this feedback loop of wanting to do something, getting a negative thought, believing in the negative thought, and then not doing it. And your animal brain goes 'hah, I'm right.'. You're rewarding your animal brain for giving you shitty advice. There's 2 ways you have to attack this sort of thing. The first is you gotta break the reinforcement cycle of negative thinking and start a reinforcement cycle of positive thinking. This i…
/r/seduction21/07/19 02:56 PM
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An analogy would be imagine if you're on yelp and see a restaurant with zero reviews. Most would ignore and move on. Later that restaurant shows up on yelp with 5/5 stars or a Michelin star. Now most would be interested/curious and the restaurant starts getting packed. You are the restaurant, and the yelp reviews, awards are the female friends who have vetted you. Yelp is the social circle. Its like that - its not something that isolated to just girls. Very common human behavior. In pua lingo th…
/r/seduction21/07/19 02:40 PM
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