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If sex turns violent, the woman has no right to tell the man he must stop. How does that follow. If the partner becomes violent in the middle of the act, there is a law against assault and battery. Rape is not the only law in existence against things like that. The Supreme Court even says this: The state Supreme Court, however, disagreed with the lower court's interpretation of withdrawn consent. "If the actual penetration is accomplished with the woman's consent, the accused is not guilty of ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 10:15 AM
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It's assault. There is a law against it. You are both wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 10:01 AM
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Both of you are wrong. It's assault, not rape. There is a law against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 10:00 AM
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If he uses a hooker, he has to pay. I think rapists are like sexual robbers, they COULD pay for it, but would rather not. Entitlement adds an unnecessary step to the explanation for why they do it. Maybe he has some psychological hangup such as entitlement, or maybe he just wants something and takes it by force.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 05:47 PM
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I know a guy this happened to. Outside the college party scene, he was an incel (had to pay to lose his virginity at 21, had dryspells lasting years), but by getting at the right location, he racked up a count of 20 (+ 10 prostitutes). He did all the right things - got into a college with a high woman to man ratio, picked a study program known for being sexual (art), was very non-picky and participated at all the drug-fuelled parties. I still don't understand how someone can be almost a chad at …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 03:19 PM
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Of course anything can happen, that's what I'm saying. You could spend your youth postponing what you really want and then die meaninglessly from some accident or early-life cancer. But if you did something meaningful before your unfortunate early death, at least you didn't live in vain. And if you're still young when non-deadly disaster strikes, you recover easier than someone who's older and has less energy. You most likely won't live the rest of your life in misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 11:42 PM
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I guess it could work. And some people do that. But life is unpredictable and you shouldn't put off meaningful things until later. You might not have the time or the health that you hoped for. Wars break out, governments collapse, economy wipes out people's savings, and people fall asleep at the wheel when they are overworked. Plus not taking care of your health in your youth might sour your life after retirement. Not to mention how much harder relationships are to get after 40... In general, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 11:21 PM
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Only to an extent. Luxuries that can be bought make life better. So do cheap things that require time instead of money. At a certain point, you don't get to enjoy these things properly because you are always working, and essentially pissing your limited time away.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 10:35 PM
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That definition is only for people who never break out of inceldom. And not every incel is a virgin. Before ER, there was George Sodini, who wasn't a virgin but was still an incel for 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 06:33 PM
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Oh, ok. That sounds a lot better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 06:02 PM
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She could continue providing for and loving a man who is secretly fucking other girls. She'll definitely feel like a cuck then. Or, to use more mainstream words, a sucker.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:57 PM
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You want your lover to die in a motorcycle accident and have him come back as a ghost?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:49 PM
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Have you thought about investing into life extension or just freezing your body after death? Might be worth a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:37 PM
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I don't see the problem. The man gets supported and the woman gets to feel important and valuable because she brings home the bacon. As long as she doesn't get cucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:34 PM
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Unless you are doing something you love, working full time isn't all that fun. Working for status and money is only good if there is a reward at the end. And a lot of the exciting things people really love doing are not as income-generating as things they are ok with doing for wads of cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:24 PM
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Ok :) Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:47 PM
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Link? I only see some kind of Asylum story read by MrCreepypasta.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 02:52 PM
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It's possible to have a successful open relationship, swinging arrangement or even polyamory, but both partners have to be on board with it, follow the preset rules and be a certain type of people. Most people wouldn't enjoy it. If one is into it and the other one was talked into it, it will be a miserable experience. I've seen people do it and be seemingly happy about it, but I can't understand them. If the point of having an open relationship is sexual freedom, then it fails also, because succ…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 01:30 PM
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Maybe. Actually, if I would press a button that magically made sex 100% exactly how I want it, I would press that instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 12:53 PM
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It's that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daOVB82pYM
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 02:59 PM
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Mine is the one where the guy's dog goes missing for three days.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 12:11 PM
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Wouldn't this ideal be useful only as a fantasy though? I used to do the same thing before, but soon realised nobody is that perfect, and it seems conceited to fantasise about someone perfect when you're not perfect yourself. Plus perfect people make me suspicious and jealous. I'd rather they were flawed in the same way I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 11:52 AM
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u/Atlas_b_Shruggin cuz she can cut thru collectivist BS u/Carkudo cuz he can cut thru incel hate BS u/questioningwoman cuz she is so unabashedly dedicated to her own safety and happiness. I like selfish people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 11:18 AM
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Men who want to parent children should marry the woman they want to have children with. Why would you want to have children with women unworthy of marriage anyway? Although this opinion has the requirement of marriage being man-friendly as well. If a childfree couple has an accidental pregnancy, and man wants to keep it, the woman says "no" and has an abortion. If the woman wants to keep it, the man divorced her and doesn't owe her child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 12:23 PM
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What's your favorite creepypasta?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 12:01 PM
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Fathers of out-of-wedlock children get to avoid paying, but they also lose rights to raise the child. Mothers of out-of-wedlock children get full control over how the child is raised, but lose rights to fathers' money. If the father wants to see his child, he has to get on gf's good graces and pay. If mother wants money, she has to get on bf's good graces and let him see the child. It promotes family integration. The only people who lose out are men whose baby mommas are rich enough to raise the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 11:50 AM
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It wouldn't be considered accidental if it's specified in the contract. And if there is no contract, then children are to be paid for and raised by the mother however she sees fit (with or without the father). It's pretty much how things are anyway, just simpler and fairer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 10:33 AM
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The fair solution would be to get married before having children, and specify that children will be had, in the marriage contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 09:35 AM
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I think a lot of people whine and hiss when you give them advice, but end up trying it out, or trying out some other action, which ends up working for them. It's hard to advise someone who is scared and distressed, because they want their problem to be taken seriously by you, instead of being invalidated and to be told to suck it up. But it doesn't mean they do nothing in the meanwhile. You notice all the ones that don't change, because the ones that do, quietly leave the whining area.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 12:55 PM
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Is that always so? If we knew how everything works in real life, MythBusters probably wouldn't exist. We know TV and real life are not the same, but the lines of what can be found in real life and what is for TV only are not always clear. You have to have life experience (or just read books) to be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 12:40 PM
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Maybe you're just energetic and need to dissipate fighting energy. In which case, you have plenty of ability to rebel, but nothing to fight against. I guess it's one way of being rebellious. I haven't thought about it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 12:19 PM
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What was it like?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 09:27 PM
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In what way have you been rebellious? People seem to have different definitions. Some say having sex and taking drugs is rebellious, but I think it only feels that way if your parents are against those things. So what have you done?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 09:26 PM
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I have discovered that rebellious "phase" was not a phase at all, but a sign that something is wrong in the environment that one lives in. If you don't feel like rebelling against anything, then you're probably just happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:13 PM
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Don't get too obsessed. She could have an unattractive personality for all you know, full of traits you find a turnoff. I would approach her and give it a shot, just like with any other woman I like, but remember not to get too disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:35 PM
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Do you consider lack of those traits a personality defect, or a sign of a "shitty personality", as you called it in your OP? A person can be shy and sweet, but not very witty or entertaining, and not many people would say they had a shitty personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 05:48 PM
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So you don't think being made to penetrate is that big of a deal? Only being penetrated is obviously bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 05:06 PM
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Thanks for the long answer, I will address the arguments one by one. 1.Your murder example doesn't work here. Poor people don't react with mild annoyance when someone tries to kill them, as would be the case, if attempted murder was as unimportant to them as sleepy surprise sex was to men. Murder is always bad because people, no matter how rich or poor, will value their lives almost above everything else. So if you kill them, you rob them of something that's about equally important to all of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 05:02 PM
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This doesn't make your case any stronger, IMO. That kinda proves him right. To make rape by men and by women equal, you (and many other people) tend to resort to these weird BDSM scenarios instead of proving that a woman forcing NORMAL sex on a man has exactly the same effect as the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:47 PM
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Serious question. Why should this law be applied 100% gender-neutrally, if one crime is much milder than the other one? Most pro-choice people would agree that only women should be able to abort a fetus, even though it's not gender equal (it's his baby, too), precisely because the sexes are not the same and making all laws 100% gender equal AND fair at the same time would be impossible. So why does female rape need to be persecuted with as much severity as male rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:43 PM
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There is a meta-study about this: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles/mens-reactions-female-sexual-coercion/page/0/2 They found that 25-20% of men who are coerced into sex by women experience a strong negative reaction to it. The rest report feeling neutral or good. I'm not sure about their definition of coersion however, because they seem to include verbal pleading and manipulation as coersion, as well as having sex with passed out men. You could interpret these findings as men not admitti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:18 PM
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Lol, "transmassive". Sorry, just a funny word, no offense intended. In that case, I'm transmassive, too. But I don't see how that's analogous, as homosexuality doesn't have to be bad for your health. Being fat, unfortunately, is. Although I wouldn't deny someone the right to be fat, either. I mentioned songs on the radio because you said homophobic songs were blasted throughout the campus in high school when you were growing up. If that's all that stops you from taking what you want out of life,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:40 PM
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What's wrong with sexual liberation though? Isn't it what people want? To me, lack of sexual liberation is more like a personal problem instead of a moral failing or a sin. To me, it's only a problem if the person thinks it's a problem. I don't think people who use gay-conversion therapy are "sinning", I just think there are better choices for them. Especially if all they have to face are stupid songs on the radio. Why give up what you want so fast?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:22 PM
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It's libertarian to let people do what they want, even if it's bad for them. But I can see that people hate being called an ideology they oppose for some reason, and not other reasons. I've been called feminist while identifying as antifeminist libertarian. Libertarianism and feminism overlap in some places. I suggest we care less about labels and more about specific beliefs. Lets just say I agree with you that people should be free to do what they want with their lives, even if it's stupid, not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:35 PM
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What do RP and BP members think of people who choose to control their sexuality with psychiatric techniques? I think that this is part of being sex positive for me personally as a feminist. I feel we have to respect peoples choices whether they are interested in gay, straight, or celibate sexuality. Although I am not personally very religious I feel that we need to respect peoples choices about how to live their faith or values.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 05:18 PM
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Your views on letting people control their own lives sure speak otherwise. Or are you only pro-choice when it comes to using psychiatric and chemical methods to repress your sexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 04:54 PM
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You can be pro-welfare and still be libertarian when it comes to personal choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 04:44 PM
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Recently a lot of oil processing engineers lost jobs where I live, because low oil prices reduced the profits of the companies. I don't think it'll go back to the same height for a while, and all those engineers are gonna be useless for a while. So while some degrees are more useful than others, times change fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 11:36 AM
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Agreed. Don't forget to enter a college with a high women-to-men ratio and pick a major that statistically is full of sluts (ex.: art), instead of a virginal sausage-fest (STEM). Seriously. If you want to waste money on overpriced courses, as least have fun with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 11:27 AM
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How libertarian of you to accept even the bad personal choices. The gay-conversion therapy sounds unscientific, so I'd rather people didn't do it. Like Princeso Bubblegum said, it's probably a decision informed by outside influence, meaning it was made for other people, not purely for the benefit of the chooser (unless they live in a homophobic country. But I think a survival course for gays in homophobic countries would be a better choice.) But as long as human society has been around, we had t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 10:21 AM
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Are you one for those people who think people can't make their own decisions and need someone more enlightened to decide things for them, whether they want it or not? From other comments, I saw you emphasise changing the culture instead of just making things legal. Do you want to use force to achieve that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 09:11 AM
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But those numbers aren't usually that different anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 08:59 PM
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There are studies where people respond differently to these questions when they think they are hooked up to a lie-detector. Men decrease their number and women increase. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12806529 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-013-0266-3 (or here: http://www.livescience.com/34778-men-and-women-lie-about-sex.html since I don't have the actual article) EDIT: It would be more correct to say that people hooked up to a fake lie-detector answered differently than pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/17 01:30 PM
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He's an incel who uses hookers extensively.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 08:41 PM
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Alcohol impairs judgment. It's a fact. It won't "make" you cheat, but it's good to go to a drinking event with a person you trust, so you don't become a victim or do something stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 07:27 PM
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I realized I can't be red pill. The noise to signal ratio on that sub (and other sites, including Rollo) is too high. Also, red pill creates its own myths while breaking blue pill myths. There are better, more logical voices for that purpose. But I still appreciate red pill for their anger and moral compass (about some things anyway). I like logic and science as much as any scientist, but feminist lies piss me off, and it's nice to know other people hate them just as much. I think red pillers sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 06:43 PM
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Although trying to establish communism wasn't a move I can agree with. Oh well, can't judge too harshly if the object of judgment doesn't have the benefit of hindsight.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 06:01 PM
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Seems like a cool person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 05:53 PM
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Everyone's experience with neurotic feminine women seems to color their position on their mothering skills, wouldn't you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 05:37 PM
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That sounds like my grandma. She was a pain in the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 05:26 PM
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Why would she think through the details of how a guy views it? I think this is only a problem a feminist must reconcile, not any random woman. A woman is attracted to whoever she's attracted to, and it probably feels just as rewarding for her to fuck the guy, but it's kinda silly to fuck a jerk and then tell men they shouldn't be jerks. If you care about male behavior, then you'd have to care that he views sex as a reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 07:00 PM
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I'd be considered a feminist in the 19th century Europe, but today, you won't be taken seriously as a feminist if you don't believe men oppressed women, reject socialism and the expanded definition of rape. Context matters a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/17 05:57 PM
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Oh, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Solondz
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 06:00 PM
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The creator of such masterpieces as Happiness (1998) and Welcome to the Dollhouse (1995). His movies are full of kinda sympathetic, but totally unflattering portrayals of people and their problems. Elliot Rodger's is similar - tragicomic and honest in an unflattering way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 05:58 PM
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He was an unfortunate person with developmental issues and social anxiety. He never really approached girls and never achieved excellence in anything (although I think he could have become a good writer. His "manifesto" was very Todd Solondz). He just couldn't win respect of guys or love of girls, so he first inflated his ego to avoid feeling like a nobody, and then made sure everyone else felt as bad as him. Losers (and I don't mean that in an insulting way, just factually) sometimes blow up li…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 03:58 PM
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Didn't you recently argue that left wing people not only have more complex thought, but also don't have much of a fear response? When it comes to avoiding danger, I'd put my money on a red piller with intuition and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:35 PM
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I think feminists probably engage in cognitive dissonance, like most people. They believe men oppressed women for most of human history, except the last 50 years in the west only, but they still love their brothers, husbands and sons, and probably don't fear that these men will suddenly oppress them. Logically, they should be afraid of people who have such a staggering tendency to oppress, kill and rape, and practice political lesbianism instead of living in the same house as them, but it doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:51 PM
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Is this a movement for trans people and bigender weirdoes? Kinda like gender version of anarchism?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 08:24 PM
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Does that mean gender abolitionist movement accepts the feminine only as long as it's thought of as a natural (but hidden due to social pressure) part of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 07:45 PM
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Do you agree with this definition of feminine? To me, it seems both certain types of antifeminist men and feminists reject femininity, and define it as useless, dependent and boring. Things men are interested in are seen as better than things women are interested in. In fact, it seems even women are now starting to suffer from "fragile masculinity", because admitting they like cute frilly and "girly" things is no longer cool. At least, if the Cool Girl rant is anything to go by.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 07:11 PM
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First feminism will convince everyone that men as a class oppressed women as a class for most of history, only stopped doing it about 50 years ago, and thus are dangerous animals who need to be held in check and periodically repressed to make sure they don't start again (not many feminists think of men this way, but it's the logical conclusion to the oppression narrative). When evidence against this view shows up and it turns out men have their own gender-specific problems, it's time to tell men…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:53 PM
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I do sometimes, and I'm calm and polite about it. But I think it still puts people on edge. Probably because it's an intense, controversial topic. Maybe someone with great social skills and charm could express their opinions without introducing tension, but I don't have that ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 03:32 PM
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I think I know where this trashy reputation comes from (white trash couples and golddiggers), but outside of that, it doesn't look different from same-age couples, in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 06:20 PM
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Yeah, GB was exceptional, but so are most influential leaders. I'm not saying people's expectations for men and women are the same. But the average man hasn't got much of a chance to be a leader of any significance. To be an leader of men you need to be exceptional. There are more men than women with great leadership skills and desire for it, but they are both unusual. People like that can inspire people to follow them and break rules for them. For an exceptional woman, it might take more effort…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 06:54 PM
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You haven't posted proof either, just an assertion. I'm asking you what you are basing it on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 05:59 PM
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If that's so, how did Griselda Blanco command so many men? Most men are followers. How would their sex automatically command authority, when leadership is so exceptional?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 05:15 PM
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Then how do you explain the cocaine Godmother Griselda Blanco?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/17 02:46 PM
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Humor is too subjective to CYM. If you don't find it funny, it's not funny to you. If it's funny to you, then no moralizing will change that. Don't undersemitate the funniness of dumb humor. Shit's funnier when you agree with the premise of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 11:24 PM
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Yeh, both BP and RP need to remember people are allowed to have their own opinions. Someone else's opinion is not oppressing you. Harmful laws do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:28 PM
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No, but it depends on the guy. But I was more curious what you do in such a situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 07:39 PM
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Won't it make some of those guys think you're just not that into them? How do you indicate that you're into them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:56 PM
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But of course you would distrust someone willing to use violence to take your stuff. Or, if you're generous and on board with the idea, you'd distrust someone willing to use violence to take other people's stuff. I don't know if that's how normal economic conservatives think, but I'd guess their distrust has something to do with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:08 PM
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I can see how opposition to abortion, promiscuity and homosexuality can be associated with fear or disgust, but not how fear is associated with valuing economic freedom or being libertarian. You don't have to have an especially developed fear of change to be against forcible extraction of people's money from their wallets, you could just find robbery morally wrong and think it should be limited as much as possible while still keeping a stable country. In fact, in many European countries, it's le…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 05:42 PM
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I wonder how a developed fear center would lead someone to wanting more economic freedom and less economic safety though? And the opposite desire in the fearless lefties? What kind of conservative views did they measure?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 04:27 PM
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Are you sure you haven't just fallen for the typical bias of "my ingroup are all complex and different, the outgroup are all the same and think simply"? I don't see a reason why wanting to think things through should lead to becoming more left-wing, or why wanting a quick solution NOW should lead to becoming more right-wing. For people who supposedly don't want to be wrong, left-wingers tend to have many strong positions on many things. They might no longer seem radical now, because they've been…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 03:08 PM
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I suspect communist leaders had no use for gender roles, because they want everyone to be a good little worker. You're worker first, woman second. If you're saying you're not equal to men, you're just slacking off. Communist leaders also want you to be more loyal to your state than to your family. And if you have gender roles, you're probably focusing too much on family.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 04:23 PM
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A lot of people see it as predatory because people are in different life stages -- it's difficult to imagine it really being about more than physical attraction, tbh (not saying this is always the case, obviously, there are always exceptions. So a 20 y old woman dating a 30 y old recently-out-of-inceldom former NEET is much more healthy? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 03:13 PM
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I was really sexy as a child and was groped by several male and female adults, but those were not really that bad. I was really only offended by one of them because he didn't try to lure me and just grabbed me without warning. Only later did I realize that it could have ended much worse, if my parents didn't scare him off. But on the other hand, my parents caught me drawing sexual pictures and shamed me thoroughly for that, caught me masturbating and shamed me thoroughly for that too, and I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 05:01 PM
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I think we should either extinguish it or acknowledge that equality is impossible and stop trying to achieve it, except in the legal sense. Why is trying to achieve wealth and leadership equality fair, but not sexual equality? Both are unnatural and will never happen without force, redistribution or genetic engineering, but somehow only one is morally good. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 03:53 PM
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Nah, I agree with you, just put it into my own words to confirm if I understood it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 02:38 PM
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What is "value as a human being"? Do you mean value to human society?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 01:46 PM
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Isn't what you're saying essentially that meaning and worth don't exist without a person deciding them in their head? And that makes them 100% subjective, instead of a fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 01:41 PM
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I think it's true, but why would they know? It's not taught in school. Nowadays we are taught that women are oppressed and men get an unfair edge in sex, and that women want sex just as much as men do. It's not their fault they have been subjected to feminist lies. Why should women be slut-shamed though? Just because sex is easy, doesn't mean they are doing something bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 01:09 PM
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I think women know deep down that dry spells aren't dangerous, because they could end them at any time. That's not to say loneliness can be ended the same way, but dry spells can. That, along with lack of male levels of testosterone, makes them non-desperate for sex. Being stuck in an unwanted situation is tolerable when you can escape whenever you wish, and near intolerable when you don't have a known way out. The knowledge that you've been able to attract enough partners to choose from in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 12:38 PM
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Nah, all my comments just don't separate changing society from rational self-interest. There is no contradiction. I don't view it as "worrying" about society, I view it as taking more out of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 06:38 PM
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You don't need to do anything beyond helping yourself, but I think it ends up helping other people anyway, because they agree with you and your interests agree with theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 06:04 PM
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I got a lot out of it too, but I was very frustrated with how slow the progress was. Other people were just better, even if they were newer. It's a great lesson in stress-management and social skills, but I'm glad it's over, because building a career on your weaknesses is hellish and dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:24 PM
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Makes a lot of sense. I also had a retail job right after college, and I sucked despite my best efforts. You can't spend 4-6 years reading books and then be good at customer service. For me it took a shit ton of effort to just do okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 03:38 PM
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As I said, sometimes societal problems make life miserable, so you'd have to either address them or be miserable. It seems like a good enough reason to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 02:59 PM
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For yourself? Sometimes social problems won't wait around for you to enjoy your life, but need to be addressed immediately. And if you do become famous and avoid getting killed, you'll probably get laid, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 02:22 PM
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Being a rugged individualist is cool and all, but there is strength in numbers, and people who believe in the possibility of social change also succeed in changing society more often. Some people give up too soon. Life is about winning, so why not use groups to change the society to be the way you want? It's hard for me to wrap my head around, as I'm individualist too, and hate politics/people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 01:23 PM
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I think that's why so many people (both men and women) don't cheat. Not because they can't, but because the prospect is too risky and they don't want to lose what they have. Either they are naturally risk-averse, or their partner is too good to risk. Maybe they are prone to feeling the stabs of conscience, too, so they don't do it. And that's love. I can't imagine it existing without fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 01:54 PM
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If you're really in demand, chances are you're not that ugly. Move to a different place, hang out in more attractive circles, and you'll meet men closer to your standards. If you don't find them anywhere, maybe you yourself are ugly and should either improve or accept one of the guys that are on your current RMV level.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 07:56 PM
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IMO, all of this matters little compared to how hot she is and how hot she is for him. The idea that men want docile housewives is a traditional social construct, while the idea that men want a challenge is a modern social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 06:38 PM
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The more options you have, the more likely you are to eventually find a suitable man to LTR. Even if you don't want most of these men, their amount is correlated with the amount of actual usable options. Complaining about having all these options is like hating that all these supermarkets want to hire you, while all you want is a job as a business analyst. The person making the complaint is not seeing the advantages of their position, just the negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 06:17 PM
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Pretty true. He's like a superior aspie without all the drawbacks. He's really nice though. Maybe he shows one attractive way to be manly, but without the psychopathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 09:51 AM
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Violent powerful men are one type of character women find hot. But what's interesting is that it's not the only one. Brent Spiner also got a bunch of female attention for his role as Data - an emotionally impaired and not particularly violent android. Why are both these types attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/17 09:48 PM
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It sounds like they were bad for someone like you, but a less experienced partner/some incel would have appreciated them. Maybe you just didn't match.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 10:24 PM
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It would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 09:10 PM
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Being a full time homemaker is different from working less and earning less at a more relaxed job, though. In my experience, many women (people actually, but women more often achieve it) prefer enough work to feel self-actualized, but not so much work that it interferes with relaxation time and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 04:34 PM
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Why not just say "misogynist tears"? Misogynists come in all genders. I think a lot of our insults are actually jokes at the expense of traits that have nothing to do with morality. People often resort to "whore", "small dick", "probably a virgin", "manjawed" and "neckbeard", which are all attacks on the person's sexual value masquarading as an insult on character. Because attacks on attractiveness sting a lot. Unfortunately, it stings ugly inoffensive people more than attractive offensive ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:44 PM
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Luke was kind of a sue in the first movie (typical messiah hero goes on a mission and blows up the death star almost all on his own), but got better in the other two, when he got his hand cut off and generally needed help every 5 minutes. All 3 movies put together, Luke is a normal hero who had exactly one big impressive win, right at the beginning of his adventure, and never quite recaptured his mary-suedom. I hope Rey gets gains some weaknesses as well, because she was suuuuuch a sue. Still li…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:19 PM
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To get to the top you'll need persistence, talent, luck and smart moves. Not everyone can do it, man or woman. Most men can't be on top, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 08:27 PM
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Putting the other person on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 12:23 AM
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Divorce doesn't happen immediately, so that's why. Also, if you are still benefiting from certain things in marriage, so are they. In what way would you be short-changing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 11:39 PM
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Sure, but then it isn't about morality. Then it's about avoiding bad consequences. I noticed a lot of people think cheating is always morally wrong, even when you tried everything you could to fix a dead bedroom and stop your partner from continually breaching the contract. People seem to think it's only morally ok to cheat when you're literally stuck in a marriage and would be financially ruined if you tried to leave (and sometimes even that is not morally ok, just "understandable"). But to me,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:37 PM
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Even so, what's the basis behind judging cheaters who can easily divorce? At least, if the person did everything they could to fix the problem, bent over backwards to meet the demands of the other spouse, and even tried game or whatnot? At this point, why is it still morally wrong to have sex with someone else without telling? The spouse decided they don't owe you anything, so what's the moral reasoning behind staying loyal? Whether you start seeing other people before or after divorce, does it …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:15 PM
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I was more curious what he'd call cheating if you can divorce easily - morally ok or not ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 06:37 PM
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Only if you did your best to fix it. Cheating immediately is kind of a hasty decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 06:35 PM
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What if your marriage isn't that long, and you don't risk losing anything by divorcing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 06:24 PM
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You're right about that. Stealing doesn't depend on a contract and is always wrong, while staying loyal does depend on a contract and isn't some unconditional rule of ethics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 06:22 PM
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Congrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 05:43 PM
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Wow. That's amazing. What's your success story?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 04:06 PM
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Has this worked for anyone here? Maybe it helps somewhat, but I'd say it's more like a solution for unsuccessful women, not men. Men still need to put more effort into it. Get better looking, become interesting, commit violent crime, and practice social skills. Your advice would help those who are already at least somewhat desirable to the opposite sex, just not as desirable as they hoped.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 04:05 PM
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I just interpret it differently than you. If it was about learning more about men's needs and how to make her husband happy , she'd say she gained more empathy from reading TRP. Instead, she said she reads it because her man looks so much better in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 03:05 PM
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I swear your flair had "virgin" in it before. Now it's gone. How did that happen??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 02:50 PM
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I don't think living apart needs to be dramatic or signify a relationship breakup, some people just don't live well in the same apartment. I know people who do this and they seem fine. I'd prefer it myself, despite being a hopeless romantic. I admit it's probably only a solution for childless couples, though. But there are many of them on this forum, so why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 10:44 PM
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I think that's wrong. If women don't feel like having sex with some man, they don't get together with him at all. They can get plenty of companionship, validation and attention from pets and friends. Why would they tolerate a man who's constantly asking for sex, when they could get all these things without that nuisance?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 07:51 PM
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In my experience, it's a personality flaw that has no reason to not be reigned in. Nagging is never about anything major or important. It's frequently asking something/criticizing something you didn't do and making a big deal about it, even if it's not worth poisoning the relationship over. It has a negative, condescending tone to it. I'm pretty sure it's about control and wanting things your way. I don't believe wives urging their men to visit a doctor for suspicious symptoms are nagging, as lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 07:29 PM
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How about these: If you can afford it, pay someone else to clean. Live apart. Some people are better off not living together, even if they are married. Don't do their half of the chores, let them experience consequences of their inaction. It'd do more to convince them than nagging but cleaning anyway. I don't remember nagging ever working on anyone, it just makes people dig their heels in.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 04:31 PM
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Pretty much agree, except people should tell each other what they expect before committing to each other, without expecting the other one to "just know".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 04:14 PM
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Considering sex is one of the primary reasons for a couple to be together, nagging over a dirty plate is not comparable and 5th_Law_of_Robotics is absolutely right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 04:09 PM
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She appreciates him even more now. Which implies that before, she appreciated him slightly less.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 02:57 PM
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Sometimes you need to see bad things to appreciate what you have. It might be dread, or something akin to dread, just more positive. I don't think it matters either way. It's negativity-induced appreciation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 03:18 PM
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Who cares what terpers are getting, some man benefited from them, and that's positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 06:16 PM
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Excellent point, OP. And if you look further than sex jokes and fucking bullies, you'll discover that pretty much anything we enjoy in life can be seen as rewarding evil. Not being vegan means rewarding killing of animals, even if your motivation is just to eat tasty food. Using oil pollutes the atmosphere and makes sure your kids will live in miserable poverty in the future. People don't like to hear how much they are hurting everyone else, but it doesn't make it false. I'm not into guilty livi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 08:10 PM
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What? At my place of work we make racial and misogynistic jokes all the time. Check your "society".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 07:56 PM
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It certainly shows him he's free to go on doing it, and there are no bad consequences as far as sexual success goes. Other men notice, too. They're not blind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 07:47 PM
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Redpillers definitely dreaded her into being better to her husband. TRP made sure some men are better off, and that's a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 07:01 PM
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I just read that as "Male Sexuality and How it Hurts Everyone". So true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 06:58 PM
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But getting laid would result in much better concentration. Even if you're not an incel, whores are greatly beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:32 PM
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Looks is what men are attracted to. Women have to use looks to compete for the best men and their commitment. Who'd want to be some loser's girlfriend? Men's version of plastic surgery is risk-taking, inventions and other impressive performance behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:27 PM
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Red pill dread game is so powerful it makes women fuck other men more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 08:04 PM
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Hell no, needing to restrict your game to times when everyone is drunk is what's truly sick and sex-negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 09:33 PM
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People who do that are just trying really hard to impress you and make you like them. It's adorably annoying if you think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 08:09 PM
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Revenge fantasies only pay off if you do something about them. Although many people i hated died and suffered without me having to do anything, so that was nice too. But in general, revenge fantasies are a nice way to get motivated. They go a long way. But it's not healthy to rely on them too much for motivation. Eventually, you need to be self-motivated and stop thinking about other people. And the more you self-improve (no matter why), the more likely this will happen tl;dr: revenge fantasies …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/16 08:56 PM
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That's not owning your shit, that's victim blaming. Owning your shit is when you stop blaming your parents for your problems (even if it's true) and realize that NOW you can fix your problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 06:57 PM
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So it's just something you do in retaliation and for a reason. Then I get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 08:32 PM
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That stance makes me curious. I rarely feel the need to go out of my way to spoil someone's day, as I don't have the energy for that. Does it not feel like a waste of energy to you? Going out of my way to be kind feels like a drain, too, but less so, as negative behavior usually provokes a negative response that I have to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 08:27 PM
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It's not the norm and most 45 y o women don't like it for a good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 07:04 PM
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Somewhere in middle-age, women start to outnumber men, and men that are left over are generally not good looking. Most people are not good looking after middle age. So whether you're a hot 45 year old woman or an average one, the probability of being involuntarily single will rise. And so what if sex is still easier for women to get, no matter what age? What is a 45 year old woman gonna do with a 25 year old man? Be used by him as a stepping stone?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 03:24 PM
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I don't count kissing and handjobs as N-raising activities, but if a woman kissed a hundred guys or gave them all handjobs, she'd be one slutty virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 12:09 AM
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I don't think any of that stuff is unusual together. Your niche would probably be female geeks/nerds. The only non-negotiable thing is being attractive enough to these women, either through looks or some kind of passion or power. And yeah, if you're too asocial, they just won't know of your existence. I was thinking about how to become powerful lately and found two ways. One is what you say - find a conventional place that gives you power (for example military, academia, a gang, etc). It works, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 09:16 PM
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WEll I'm glad you don't feel as bad as some of those guys. I was talking about guys who are already showing signs of being suicidal, but don't think whores can help them in any way. And I think I get what you're saying about changing yourself to appeal to others. Although I tried both and received more respect acting as my real self than the fake nice and inoffensive self. But maybe that's just because I'm naturally evil, ambitious and also not autistic. What do you think you need to repress or …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 06:34 PM
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Seeing a prostitute takes you closer to that goal. Building up confidence, reducing desperation, knowing what to do during a sex act = becoming lovable. And it takes care of one half of the problem. Which is sexual deprivation and pain that comes with it. This is why I'm confused, see? They'd rather die than get something not quite ideal for them, or not get everything they want at once. The only explanation I can think of is that they are too far gone from their incel to see this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 08:29 AM
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I won't dispute the "so afraid they won't even try" part. Sad, but true for many. I'm puzzled by the incels who won't even go to the prostitutes. Maybe they're afraid of being caught or being treated unprofessionally? I think it's cruel to expect socially weak men to do something illegal to get their basic needs met. To me, it's like abortion for women - women could still get it before it was legal, but it wasn't safe, or fair to expect them to tolerate unprofessional abortions. But nonetheless,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 02:21 PM
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Social norms say that women can wear whatever they want, and also get mad at men for directing their eyes at them for too long. It's called manners, but it's just a feminist cultural norm. Other cultures have other manners. I don't see why this version is the best morally or the only logical one. Ever visited another culture and thought their social norms were dumb? Well, other cultures think the same about you. From the outside, it looks extremely dumb that western men are kind of impolite to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:12 PM
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Women have so much power in the dating arena before age of about 40-45 that I have trouble seeing this as a problem. Being a slut will be forgiven, and so will being a wallflower. All a wallflower needs to do to be approached is to create a dating profile. I think you're a bit right, though. A smiling face is more attractive on a woman than a resting bitch face or a blank face. Acting approachable and sexual is more sexy than shyness. I just don't think it's such a major handicap that you need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 07:08 PM
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Betas are selling their love and provider role to get women's love/sex. This strategy makes them look like better people for a reason. They contribute to society and help raise the next generation of productive citizens, even when they are not biologically related to them. It doesn't make them perfect people, it's just a type of male sexual strategy. They can be good or bad people inside, but they are socialised to be pro-social. They like society and society likes them, unless their interests s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 01:57 PM
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Well... time to find one of those Niceguys who would desperately attempt to buy your love/sex with loyalty and acts of service! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 12:43 PM
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I'm convinced that demanding more from life is never a bad thing. Covert contracts are, though. They annoy people, they set you up for disappointment, and it's just an overall weak tactic. I'm not sure why people employ them, but I assume it's because they follow social contracts that don't apply to real life. The idea behind niceguy morals is actually solid, if it was out in the open and not hidden in a covert contract. That idea is reciprocal kindness and exchange. You're not "actually not nic…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 09:24 PM
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Yeah, it's almost like he earned that girl's affections by altruistic actions. What twisted morals that comic is teaching us!.. Seriously though, the kind guy is simply hotter than the neckbeard guy, that's gotta count for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 04:34 PM
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I do. But Mr. Plinkett is a serial killer character, so it could just be a part of his personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 03:48 PM
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Didn't he conclude that Anakin actually did everything correctly, and presents George Lucas with a "Totally Understands Women" award?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 03:27 PM
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Yes, acting sexual adds half a SMV point, maybe more. Not sure if it ads any relationship value points though. I'd predict it ads to that too, for most men, except redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 02:34 PM
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Because I'm rooting for you. We are all rooting for you here. If I seem persistent, it's only to explain the idea better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/16 11:55 AM
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I meant on average. You can see it if you read my post carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/16 11:53 AM
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I'm not trying to prove anything to you. It was just an idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 10:21 PM
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If all else is equal (physical injury level, use of death threats in the form of weapons, kidnapping, transfer of STDs), I think female on male rape is less likely to be traumatizing. Having your ass or vagina penetrated by a penis is generally worse than having a vagina put over your penis, even if you didn't get injured.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 01:55 PM
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Well you should not be hostile to each other. Treat each other like fellow human beings. If I had to describe it, I would say it's not too different from going to a doctor or a massage therapist. Obviously these people are doing it for money, but they probably wouldn't be good at their work if they hated it. A lot of sex workers used to work in care professions, too (at least in UK): https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/27/most-sex-workers-jobs-health-education-charities-survey I think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 12:36 PM
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It worked to reduce depression or anger that being an incel brings. That's the goal.. right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 11:53 AM
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No, that doesn't follow. If you know that getting laid or getting a job takes standing out from the grey mass of other people, you still have to try different things until something works. And while you are doing that, you're still incel or involuntarily unemployed. Plus standing out takes a certain level of confidence and creativity, which the average person doesnt have and can't instantly poof into existence (that's why they are average). All your life's problems don't just immediately disappe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 11:03 AM
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How about all that other stuff I mentioned? Can your friends do that? And I don't have a point, I'm just throwing out suggestions that in my experience, worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 04:14 PM
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In general, hugs feel good. It's hard to explain, but cuddling can elevate the mood for days afterwards. Touch is like sex lite, in a way. And if you really have mostly female friends, they should hug you more often and not be repulsed by you at this point. After all, you're friends and friends don't let friends commit suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 03:46 PM
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Do your friends and therapist cuddle naked with you? Take baths in the same bathtub with you? Are any of your friends female (and not your mom), and thus capable of providing female validation?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 03:30 PM
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Well, resident prostitute lollygagyo here states that many of her clients don't even want to have sex, they just want company. If company is what you want, instead of intercourse, why not pay her for a few hours and use up all the hours on talking, cuddling and other non-sexual stuff? If you warn them beforehand what you want from them, it should be fine and they shouldn't get annoyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 12:02 PM
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Why do people think you must be deformed to be incel? You just have to be invisible. Too boring, too unremarkable. Deformities might actually be a step up from that (if you add confidence, style, or something else). To get laid, men have to perform. What kind of performance matters less than the fact that there is one. I think it's pretty much analogous to looking for a job. CV looks like everyone else's? In the trash you go. Neither incels nor the unemployed really know what causes their misfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:25 AM
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I think therapy might help you get over your fear of prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:13 AM
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Haha, throwing shit back at them won't change anything. Neither will showing sympathy. Only sex from women matters. So all these threads are mostly for the benefit of non-incels and their learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:00 AM
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Learned helplessness is a negative effect on humans and other animals when they are repeatedly subjected to pain that they can't escape no matter what they do. It's learned and has nothing to do with personality: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 10:49 AM
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Bad luck. Repeated failure resulting in learned helplessness and depression. Nothing that can't be beaten, but it's not a personality fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:21 PM
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Yeah, that really sucks. There are other weirdos to be friends with, though. But they can take time to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 05:53 PM
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Social skills are nice to have, but there is also a certain freedom to not having them. If you can't play a role, you're excluded a lot, but you also don't get burned out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 01:31 PM
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Sure, but your analogy made it sound more like a personality fault than what it really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 01:13 PM
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You're right that there is no fairness in the world and you have to get everything you want yourself, but why is getting laid similar to being a top lawyer? It's more like getting a minimum-wage job. It's very basic. That's why people whine when they are unemployed and men whine when incel. I don't think most people realize how hard these basic things can be until they meet the wall in the job market or the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 12:14 PM
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What are a few outliers supposed to prove though? You say many women in their 30s look like they're in their 20s. But most women in their 30s still look like they're in their 30s, because looking 30 is based on the majority. Because we know that "looking 20" and " looking 30" are real concepts, even if some women defy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 09:17 AM
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I remember reading that women get PTSD more: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3494556/ Although for veterans, the difference is absent: http://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/treatment/women/women-trauma-ptsd.asp
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 04:30 PM
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I don't tend to believe the incel men who're posting here that no one is interested in them either. I think they're just inept at telling who is -- and that this is more challenging for men than it is for women. It sure looks like you're saying self-proclaimed incels just don't notice they have takers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 03:50 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 03:43 PM
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Yeah, I think porn can make it harder to have sex normally, you might have trouble cumming and have other erection problems. Good thing it's fixable though. That's why no-fap is all the rage. Still not sure how it can lead to sadism though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 03:38 PM
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You said in another comment that most incels here are probably not really incel and are probably just not good at telling who is interested in them. But yeah, I agree with you as I said in the other comment. It's good to get rid of limiting thoughts and feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 03:33 PM
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Well, one would think normal porn would be the "normal" template to measure the bad stuff against. It's not like real sex, but it's closer than sadistic and perverted stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 03:27 PM
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Where do these mythical sluts exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 11:33 AM
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I think the problem starts when someone goes from drawing parallels to their own life to thinking the situations are exactly the same. When you empathize by drawing parallels, it's one thing. But a lot of the time, women who empathize with incels try to draw false equivalence between incels and their own experience. Stating that it's all in the head, because for her, it was. Instead of feeling supported, incel feels invalidated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 10:42 AM
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Funny you say that, I got really perverted from being an old virgin. But my friends didn't. Why would someone seek out sadistic porn if they weren't into it to begin with though?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 10:16 AM
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When someone is wrong on the Internet, people feel the need to smite them down, as to not experience bad sleep that night? :(
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 02:34 PM
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Men on average are already compensated for all that work with higher pay. The stuff they invent is not something women are entitled to. Why would the entitlement argument need to be made in this context? Inventions might be a big deal, but they are freely exchanged for money. If feminists said that women are entitled to men's inventions, then you'd have an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 08:21 AM
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I agree that there is a difference, I just wouldn't call it sexual maturity. Frontal lobes develop more during those years, and faces look a bit different.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 05:48 PM
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I went to school with western 17 year olds too, and body-wise they looked like college girls, whether they were fat or not. I'm not in US or a country with a higher obesity statistic than Australia. For the record, most of the girls I went to school with were not fat or stick-like. I did not notice an increase in curves when going to college. I believe your experience was not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 05:39 PM
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Ok. Well, I've seen both ways of growing up, and western 17 year olds are most definitely well-fed and look sexually mature. I don't understand why some western people say that they don't. It's obvious. I suspect it has more to do with sexual norms and taboos and less with actual looks. But if this is really how they look to you, then I want to know what exactly looks sexually immature in your eyes. Because I really don't see a difference between late teens and early 20s, except thinner faces on…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 04:56 PM
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For marriage? Lower divorce risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 04:42 PM
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Do you come from a third world country where girls get first sign of boobs at 13 and start menstruating at 18?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 04:35 PM
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That homeless man - according to whom is he unattractive? The women that are fucking him? Because theirs is the only opinion that matters. Maybe your definition of incel is "cannot get sex, ever". I don't agree with that. Incels struggle to get laid. They could be virgins or guys who have sex once a year, but there is no reason to say they can't get laid in the future. Why should incels be defined as men who can never have sex in the future? By that standard, obviously no one is incel, not even …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 10:26 AM
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What does your hypothetical homeless guy have to do with incels though? He's attractive enough to get laid for free, they aren't. So what? And considering sex is something you do with someone else, yes, their lack of agreement is literally physically stopping you from having sex. And your other sentence isn't true either. You're incel as long as you keep asking and keep getting rejected. As long as you have done this for a considerable time, it doesn't matter that you didn't spend 20 more years …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 05:43 PM
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Monks don't classify themselves as incels because they are volcels (voluntary celibate). Just like someone might wish to fast for some religious reason or practice asceticism. It doesn't mean people who are involuntarily fasting aren't experiencing starvation or that it's not really a problem. In fact, the barrier for fasting people is their own "state of mind", while for starving people it's lack of sufficient food. For monks it is a "mental state" too (religious conviction), while for incels i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 05:24 PM
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Forgot to say. A woman is obviously better than a hand because she provides human touch. Your brain can feel the difference, even if it's not logically apparent. Duh :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 04:14 PM
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Do you feel you subject other service workers to yourself, or only whores? Do you worry about dentists' feelings when they look into your mouth or doctors' feelings when they are touching you? Do you feel bad when waiters and retail workers provide service to you? None of them are interacting with you for fun. And while a whore does not love you, using her services is an intermediate step between being incel and becoming lovable, and eventually achieving love. Is it not logical?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 04:07 PM
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I dunno, I think there's plenty of good about intercourse with a woman who wishes she could be elsewhere. It doesn't really matter. Most service personnel would rather be elsewhere, doing something more fun than dealing with us customers, but there you go. But I understand it's an insecurity you have. Can't it be made better? Wanting to kill yourself over being a lifelong incel is to be expected, but if you had hookers you wouldn't be an incel, would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 02:58 PM
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Even if we all became nudist, people would eventually get used to that, and it'd be normal. Looking is not fucking, and fucking is what men desire. So I would predict that it would mean nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 02:26 PM
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Oh. Well then, perhaps low class ones are the way to go. Or other high class ones. What's wrong with getting only intercourse though? I thought that was the problem. You can get friendship and companionship elsewhere. Why would you eventually want to kill yourself, even after hookers and drugs?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 02:22 PM
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I thought you were saying getting laid wouldn't stop you from wanting to kill yourself. How were you rejected by a hooker though? It's like getting rejected by a dentist because he thought your teeth were bad. Maybe it's worth trying different ones. Perhaps higher class escorts instead of rude streetwalkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 01:50 PM
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I was talking about people who work, not people on welfare. Not everyone qualifies for it, and rules in different countries vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 01:41 PM
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It's really not how it is at all. If you're struggling to have enough food, you don't have the luxury to pay a hooker several times per month. You might well get a better job later, but for that time, you're incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 09:53 AM
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Nah, if you could afford a sex act once a year, you're still incel and have poor quality of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 09:27 AM
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You can be suicidal from a number of external reasons. Removing them usually removes the desire to die, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 09:17 AM
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The literal barrier to getting sex is women's agreement (usually secured by being attractive or giving money). The literal barrier to getting food is store owner's agreement (usually secured through giving money). How is it not exactly the same and why are extra variables like "state of mind" needed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 09:00 AM
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It's more disturbing than funny. But that's not a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 03:34 PM
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I disagree completely. People's sense of humor is affected by their worldview and there is nothing wrong with that. Some comics really aren't funny to most people because they're bad, but others are only unfunny to people with opposing views. If the comic's worldview disagrees with your own, the internal logic of the comic will not jive with your own. And humor depends on you being in on the premise. Also, if feelings of "this is wrong" are stronger than feelings of "this is funny", then you won…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 03:34 PM
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It also says this: "And on the days when the men thought their partner was less sexually interested than she actually was, the women reported being more satisfied in and committed to the relationship." She's happy that he stopped bothering her?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 03:02 PM
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I loved a female friend once. It went too far, turned into something like a meth addiction or OCD. I loved her like Monterey Jack loved cheese. While it was a pretty insane time for me, I can see elements of that in all people's love. People in love are addicted. There is always potential for excruciating pain if you take away the loved one. You can try to have a life outside your relationship and other friends, but it will never not hurt if they disappear.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/16 01:19 PM
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Are those situations equivalent? When a man gives a woman a free drink, it's pretty obvious he's sacrificing that money in hopes of getting in her pants. While sex is something both parties do for their own pleasure. Nobody gives out free alcohol for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 07:56 PM
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Blackout drunk doesn't mean unconscious, it just means you don't remember what you did when you sober up. You could kill someone when blackout drunk, have sex, commit rape, etc. Needless to say, everything you do while blackout drunk is your responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 12:13 PM
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For self-defense and hunting, of course :) But I kind of get your point. If I worked selling things I don't believe are useful for people, I'd try to switch jobs as soon as possible. Wouldn't care if friends or loved ones did it, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 10:24 PM
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Yeah, but where does this respect for society's rules come from? Why not just call it fear of being caught eating human meat? Why do most humans think this is "wrong" instead of just "risky"? Is it not because humanity is special to them and in a sense, sacred, to be deferred to?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 02:41 PM
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Deference or say... respect, for humanity, rather than individual humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 02:29 PM
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But you can be rude and still respect human rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 02:25 PM
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Alcohol is not designed to make you angry. It does lower inhibitions, but what will be uninhibited and to what extent depends on the person and how much they drink. But we do need axes and knives more than we need alcohol. Alcohol is a risky form of fun, and some people aren't smart/healthy enough to use it without harming themselves and others. What do you think of fast food restaurants and firearm shops?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 02:22 PM
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Interesting thought process. I know it's just your own preferences, but how far do they go? Would you dump a man who works in a hardware store, because axes and knives that he sells might be used by the customer to harm other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 01:17 PM
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Maybe he's kind of ugly and relies on beer goggles to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 11:39 AM
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What do you call the treatment you give to living beings that you share species with? You might not feel any earned respect towards random strangers, but you know they're human and have rights that other animals and objects do not have. They don't, for example, have to earn enough respect to avoid being murdered for their meat. What is it, if it's not unearned respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 11:23 AM
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Now now, I'm not advocating for anything brutal here, just redistributing a bit of money around and creating government programs for those cut off from physical intimacy. It's no worse than any other taxation reason people have come up with before, or the idea of affirmative action. If entitlements are ok for equal representation at some workplace, they are ok for sex, too. Because gender equality won't happen until the power imbalances in ALL areas are fixed, not just those that are in favor of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 10:54 AM
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Pretty much agree. People feel entitled to handouts other than sex all the time, because they "need it". Free money, food, equal representation in someone else's company, etc. Why not sex? Tax women for the sake of achieving gender equality and create a government program with prostitute social workers who help socially awkward men get laid. Gender equality is not gonna achieve itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 08:05 AM
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Why not tax women for the sake of true gender equality, then? Redistribute sex by redistributing money, so that men could spend it on willing prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 07:40 AM
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Wouldn't you say that charging for stuff (whether it's sex or emotional support) is not wrong, as long as they know upfront that you're charging? I assume everything's agreed on beforehand when you work, and you don't suddenly ask for money from unsuspecting sex partners. If the same was done in a relationship, would it really be entitled? Nobody says "I'll give you emotional support for 3 shags", but people generally remain in relationships as long as their partner gives them what they agreed t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 08:38 PM
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That's a bit sad, I hope you have friends now, instead of that. It's so much better than having "friends" who are only there for money, sex, drugs, or whatever you got.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 01:06 PM
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Got it. Do you think the pretending was worth what you got out of the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 12:33 PM
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You started dating a Christian while pretending to be a Christian, and then surprised him with atheism? Or you told him about your atheism first, then pretended to be Christian to appease him? It's not very clear to me, please explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 11:56 AM
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Considering all violent crime reduced in the last few decades in USA, why does reduction in rape need a special reason, such as feminist rape hysteria? And in general, feminism usually happens whenever the country prospers, lives of regular people are made nicer by better human right laws and technology, and the government has enough money to spend on crime fighting. All the things for a more peaceful living are already in place, so why is feminist rape hysteria needed as an explanation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 02:55 PM
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The belief that you have control over your outcomes is correlated with better life outcomes. Although I don't know which way the causation goes. It's easier to believe that you have control when you're really just lucky. But it's also easier to win when you are confident and therefore focused on the solution instead of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 02:01 PM
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When war or other violence happens, raw fighting ability becomes important, so it's not surprising that women would do what they can and attach themselves to men who can protect them. And as others already mentioned, war kills a lot more men than women, which makes the surviving women compete harder for the men who are left over. That means acting and looking in a way that attracts marriage-worthy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 12:33 PM
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What? Next thing you'll tell me eating potato chips isn't a hobby either?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:17 PM
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Sure, exposure should be safe. But that's not the same as saying "don't have sex until you fix this". And generally sex between therapist and patient is forbidden, so it would have to be between the patient and someone who's really safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:59 PM
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You know exposure is the treatment for learned fears, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:28 PM
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There are several problems with this. 1.The thing you and other feminist friends can't seem to see is that you can't make all bad behavior illegal. There is a large range of behaviors between perfect sexual partner and rapist. If he kept asking for sex after being told no, he's neither perfect, nor a rapist. If he started kissing her without asking first, he's neither perfect, nor a rapist. Using force or threatening serious bodily harm would make him a rapist. 2.This interaction is not in any w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:00 PM
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Why is name-calling and shaming preferable to explaining exactly why his actions are unattractive, bad for him and slightly morally questionable? If you're looking for a strong deterrent from nice guy behavior, you don't need shaming - lack of success with women will work on its own soon enough. That's why there are so many angry "nice guys" in the first place. Chances are, your well-meaning explanation and advice will be seen as shaming anyway, but will lack unnecessary rudeness on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 06:06 PM
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It's an exchange you didn't know you were a part of. You thought it was a gift, but it was actually an exchange, sprung on you suddenly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 05:53 PM
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Would the opposite really help him? At age 13 I once told a girl she shouldn't eat so much ice-cream because she's fat and being fat is bad for your health. I was motivated by altruism but it produced only hard feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 03:08 PM
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I think an uglyhot guy would still be considered hot, just a different kind of hot. To me, it sounds like the guy had potential, but was not hot enough. She'd consider having sex with him, but if a truly hot guy came long, she'd fuck him instead. Because true attraction wins over guilt for choosing a guy with hot looks and brains over a guy with just hot brains. Usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 02:57 PM
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Cuz freaks are funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 12:53 AM
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These guys are trying to self-sacrifice and then finding out it has a poor payoff rate. They give too much, and therefore expect too much. And you know how expectations can hurt you. They first act like they don't expect sex, but later reveal that they do. They should really blame themselves, but instead get mad at the girl who doesn't fulfill the expectations. They find out that they are not saints, but normal people who want to have sex and love, not niceness for the sake of niceness. If they …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 12:39 AM
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If anything, it's the opposite. Girls think being overtly sexual will get them the guy, but it's really not in their interest to be like a stripper.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 11:47 PM
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Sacrificing your boundaries doesn't mean you "aren't really nice". It just means you're doing relationships wrong. You're deluded. Maybe you read some book or watched some Disney movie that made you act stupid like that. Maybe an authority figure told you love is false unless you do your best to sacrifice yourself. After all, what kind of love is it, if you never prove it by putting your loved one before yourself. You might well be nice and a good person, but it doesn't matter as long as your me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 11:28 PM
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Both rapists and false rape accusers are dangerous people who can ruin lives. How are their potential victims served by knowing that one of them is slightly safer from the police than they think? Maybe there are emotional barriers preventing real rape victims from going to the cops, which are absent in false rape accusers. Is there anything contradicting this possibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 11:13 PM
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He's boring and doesn't stand out from all the other perfectly normal guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 11:56 AM
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So true. You don't owe anyone self-expression. Some say it's freedom, but I think often it's a privilege for those who get to witness it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 09:13 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 04:10 PM
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And that's why prostitutes are a godsend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 04:09 PM
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And unless he starts hating, his view will be less biased than that of a guy who only cares because his hormones are telling him women are cuter than men and thus more worthy of his understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 03:28 PM
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Empathy is overrated, at least as long as it's defined as the ability to feel what the other person is feeling. Lots of people can do that, without true understanding why someone is feeling what they're feeling. They then might decide the feelings are unreasonable, because they're ignorant about what's important to that person and what their circumstances are. If what you're after is understanding of the other person, you need to think as well as feel. Putting yourself in their shoes is importan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 03:06 PM
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Does this apply to anything else? Some jobs really suck and offer no friends, but you get tangible benefit over being unemployed and stagnating on welfare or worse. At least there's money and experience that you can build on. Sometimes you have to be content with non-ideal arrangements before you get closer to your true goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:12 PM
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I see what you mean. If they told you they don't see you that way, it can't be misunderstood. Female sexual power is powerful, but doesn't allow getting absolutely any man a girl might choose. And by old, I mean 70 .
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 12:36 PM
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I'll explain. The world is cliquey. Where you end up professionally is influenced by your social skills and personality, and your network. People who were powerful in high school use their good social skills /family connections to get into powerful positions elsewhere. Who you were friends in high school suddenly affects your adulthood. Suddenly people who used to be merely rude to you in high school are working as politicians and cops and can probably fuck up your life if they wanted to. You ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 04:47 PM
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We weren't exposed to so many people in the past, because we didn't have internet, TV, and means of travel that could take us across the continent in less than a day. So to a woman from the past, being satisfied was perhaps easier, as she had fewer men to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 04:32 PM
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Funny, my experience after leaving high school showed me that things never "get better" and the rest of the life is just a continuation of what was happening with you in high school. "Popularity" means a whole lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 04:18 PM
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The world used to be small. Is this still possible, with the internet and fast worldwide travel?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 04:04 PM
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Why is it bad to recognize the possibility that men near you might be rapists? How about muggers? I don't owe anyone my trust and don't feel anyone else needs to, either. As long as they don't act like paranoid freaks who think it's ok to hurt people just because they are afraid of them, it hardly matters what they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 03:51 PM
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Becoming ripped changes facial aesthetics though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 03:10 PM
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It's not an illness if it doesn't hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 02:57 PM
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But those guys don't count :P To be fair, I noticed some semi-successful men performing the same mental trick on themselves. If people were more honest with themselves, they'd be a lot less confused and feel a lot less like a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 02:47 PM
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Nobody wants to pry open the black box that is a shy introvert. Too much effort and not enough incentive to go on. The solution for women is simple though. Dress all revealing, get into an alcohol-fueled dance party, smile, and you'll get as much cock and "being hit on" validation and as you desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 02:24 PM
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How were you rejected? Did you ask them out and make your intentions clear? Or did you make some attempt at hanging out with him and was dismayed when he didn't make time for it? The reason I ask is because sometimes, this is what nerdy shy girls do, and think they are rejected, when really the guy just didn't notice he was being "hit on". I can believe you weren't hit on by schoolmates, though. At a certain level of unsociableness and awkwardness, only the most aggressive men would be willing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 02:15 PM
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What you're describing looks like outcome independence and confidence to me. Chad has that because his life is going well and he doesn't have predisposition to self-doubt and anxiety. But if you have less going for you, getting into this state of mind isn't as easy as deciding it. Your advice is essentially "fake it till you make it". I know it's not what you mean, but in practice, that's what it is. "Loving yourself" when you suck is really hard. Loving your life when it sucks is hard. People "…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 02:34 PM
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There is no guarantee you will beat a video game, either. But you'll never know if you can, if you don't try!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 03:38 PM
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Isn't the alternative TBP offers essentially shaming terpers out of being RP.? The goal is to stop people from believing offensive things, not to help them. An alternative to TRP would be nice, though. But whatever, I think I found it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 06:24 PM
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You can laugh at something without trying to change it, but then you really can't be taking it very seriously. At least, you don't see it as a problem or a looming threat in your life. Am I correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 08:47 AM
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62% of responders were rated as attractive though. Perhaps this study is measuring IQ differences between ugly people and people with normal human-looking faces? Not the IQ difference between the gorgeous and everyone else. Also, does this mean that intelligent nerds are genetically as good looking as intelligent Chads/jocks? It's just that instead of applying effort to look good, they are applying all their time and effort to nerd stuff? That is, their ugliness is self-imposed and inside every …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 12:59 PM
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It's no more deep to love someone for their cool personality than their pretty looks, or the other way around. Why should it be? Looks are a shallow condition for love, just like various skills and confidence. All these things can go away even if we do nothing wrong. The only thing you can't lose are your principles (and if you get brain-damaged and your personality changes, I'd argue you didn't lose your principles, just your mind). But humans will always be a bit shallow at best. It's not a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 11:25 PM
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You don't have to blame women for anything to admit that violence can win their love.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:09 PM
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It's a fantasy that gets manifested into reality if conjugal visits are allowed. If not, he still gets love and validation. I mean, isn't it what incels want, according to this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 11:04 AM
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Whenever some incel blows up and kills people, women send them love letters in prison, or talk about how they would have fucked those guys if they were still alive (if they kill themselves as well).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 09:05 PM
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I don't know whether good looking people are kinder than less attractive people. We'd have to look at statistics to be sure. However, my experience doesn't correspond to yours. In my life, I haven't really found a correlation between looks and character. Inner beauty exists. It's easy to come up with a reason to why attractive people should be nicer than the less attractive ones, but it's also easy to find a reason for the opposite. You could say hot guys are better because they are happy, while…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 08:55 PM
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I remember discussing this with you before. There was a study where women couldn't spot rapists by looking at their pictures, while men could, more or less. What I still don't get is how men can spot rapists by looking at them and women can't. Do these rapists only train themselves to appear safe to women? Do safe people look different to men and women? What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 09:41 PM
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I guess it can have downsides. But i'm proud of those times people thought I was dangerous enough to call the cops on. It was a great antidote to social anxiety. It was dangerous but self-confidence can't be gained without taking some risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 11:02 AM
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Being a creep is more fun than being empty space.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 10:36 PM
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Regardless of what he should do (and I agree with your plan on what he should do), excusing violent behavior because someone was weird is still unconvincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 03:25 PM
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There is more to natural selection than sexual selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 11:10 PM
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Interesting question. Maybe because natural selection is not sexual selection. Humans developed superior intelligence because it helped them survive in variable and constantly changing environment. Less intelligent humans of both sexes didn't survive as much. As far as sexual selection goes, it seems women do prefer a certain degree of intelligence (expressed by social skills, humor, artistic talent, and having power), but not a preference for extremely high IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 11:03 PM
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The very anxious woman who feels dread naturally anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 10:17 PM
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Nobody is entitled to anything, but yeah. That's equality. If trying to make women financially equal to men is okay, so is making men sexually equal to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 08:33 PM
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Taxation happens without consent all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:43 PM
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No, it's emotional labor to smile and say all the polite words.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:41 PM
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I don't see why gays should be punished harsher for sex with a teenager.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 09:39 AM
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I think entitlement is just a go-to answer SJWs use when something bad happens. Other people blame violent video games, jazz music, hysteria, demonic possession, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 03:51 PM
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If borderlines were pure bad, so many people wouldn't fall for them. But the same can be said about heroin :) Don't think I ever met a borderline, but is it true you guys provide really high highs?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 07:26 PM
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By beta strategies, do you mean marrying a single mom, importing a foreign bride or attracting a poor woman with money? I see lots of guys do that here. It seems to work at least half the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 06:00 PM
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Yes, men say that and probably would have fucked their teacher if they had the chance. The outrage about female teachers having sex their male students is mostly about being mad that men can't get away with the same, not about worrying about teenage boys. It's about wanting women to be punished just as much. Personally I think they should just get fired instead of being persecuted, but other people prefer equality in harsh punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 05:33 PM
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It's both.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 07:37 AM
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Abuser logic. "Look what you made me do!"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:24 PM
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Not sure if fair, but sometimes it's a sign of lack of nuanced knowledge. The more people study a group of people (getting to know them, meeting them, reading studies, reading their writings), the more nuanced their opinion on them gets. Not better necessarily, but the understanding gets more detailed and you start to see the logic behind the behavior. I think a lot of judgment is unnecessary, knee-jerk, and blocks the judger's brain from learning things. Of course, there is no shame in making a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:35 PM
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I know you're deleted and won't see this, but I want others to read my reply. Nihilism is not logical. 1)There's no connection between death and life meaning/lack of meaning. If your body stopped aging and you simply became immortal, you'd still have to find meaning in life, just like when you were mortal. Either that, or be content with just being (just like you can already do, right now). Of course, death sucks and life is nice and we don't want it to end, but it has nothing to do with meaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 01:29 PM
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Maybe it's in men's interest to feel more safe? A paranoid man cannot be a risk taker, and male reproductive success often depends on risk taking. Since women can't have 100s of children, risk taking doesn't pay for them. Women are the normal humans, it's men who are over the top careless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 06:29 PM
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Why is promiscuity the only way to explore your sexuality? I used to feel like you. But then I discovered voyeurism and made it work for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 07:55 PM
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Why not just spit back O_o
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 09:46 AM
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Why would it not be? It's not that usual to hear about women going back to men who hit them, or dating men with criminal records. Do you have something different in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 10:19 AM
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D'aw
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 08:07 PM
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From the genes' perspective, incel is worse - incel doesn't get to reproduce, but a rape victims does. Does this CYV?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 08:05 PM
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Are you talking about men raped by women right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 07:52 PM
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I have trouble taking fat men as voluntarily celibate seriously. Fat women certainly don't become incel because they're fat. And being voluntarily fat is like being unsuccessful in your career. If you don't know how to solve the problem, you probably won't. Eventually you might stumble upon the right method, but until then, you're fat and unsuccessful. Plus a lot of fat people don't know how fat they really are. I talked to people with bmi way over 25 who thought they were not fat. And lots of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:15 AM
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In my comment it's implied that it's known.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 11:17 PM
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I think they are talking about gold diggers and criminals, not uggos. The former is usually not a good partner, but people get blinded by lust and marry them. The latter is not glamorous, but there is nothing intrinsically impractical about them as long as their partner is attracted to them. I think a lot of people think age gap or beauty gap automatically equals gold digger situation, and shame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:31 PM
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Is it really more acceptable for cougars? Look at how much judgment Sam Taylor-Johnson faced for dating and marrying Aaron Johnson (now Aaron Taylor-Johnson). There are so many comments on imdb.com about how gross she is. There are reasonable people countering that, but it's obvious that it's tempting for people to have a knee-jerk negative reaction. I think some people resent that an older person can date a younger hot person, and hope they fail and get punished for their impudence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 11:22 PM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 11:11 PM
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I didn't say anything about morality. I just think both subs are places of negativity. Not sure which one is more wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:34 AM
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It's so pointless, too. It's not like each political group doesn't have their violent members.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:00 AM
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I dunno about that. I hate other people's kids and i'm glad someone else can do that job and like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 06:53 PM
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So true. Groups are playing hot potato with Eliot Rodger.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 06:09 PM
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Eliot Rodger either denied reality or fought it. At his angriest, he fantasised about imprisoning women and keeping only a few alive for breeding, hidden from men. And then, he said, men would never find out about the existence of women, and thus have no sexual desires. And then they'd be free to do more constructive things. Anyone who thinks this could ever work is clueless. He also focused on fairness instead of how things really are, and how to fix his individual situation. If he met the red …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 03:34 PM
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I wonder why BluePill can't just admit they are a hate-filed sub. It's obvious. And there is nothing wrong with a little hate every now and then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 03:06 PM
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I live in one of those countries and it's impossible to live here without being reminded that more girls need to be in STEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 06:37 PM
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If you make a mistake when choosing a partner once or twice, it could be bad luck. But if your dating history is littered with jerks/bitches, it could be you. Something in your personality and way of being attracts abusers, and you're attracted to traits abusers have, too. Falling for abusers over and over is not just bad luck. I don't like to blame people for their poor judgement of character, though. Blame is a stupid word. They need to focus on how to fix the problem instead of blaming everyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 05:49 PM
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What are you, if you grow out of it? Just a late bloomer?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 05:39 PM
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I think you' re right, but he's also right. I do think welfare spending leads to more poor people. Kids of welfare people are more often on welfare themselves. But if you abruptly ended the support, there would be violence, riots, and lots of useless people on the street, unable to support themselves. There is a reason why you aren't supposed to release domesticated cats onto the wild if you no longer want them - they have been tame since they were small and cannot simply become competent wild a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 04:54 PM
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If some man says he literally only cares about looks, then yes, he gets what he asked for. But I think it's a misconception that casual sexual depends only on looks. When someone wants casual sex, a relatively agreeable personality goes without saying. They might not care about all their partner's deepest dreams and fears, but they expect that their partner will have the same goal - to have enjoyable casual sex. It's a superficial relationship that is similar to a relationship between a service …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 04:19 PM
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Are the video games even wrong? If a game trains you to fight in order to win the girl, it's not even wrong. Violence where you win and don't lose gets you women more often than not. But for some reason the moral of the story is interpreted as "be nice and you will get the girl", not "be willing to be violent AND WIN, and you'll get the girl". Last time this was discussed, the Beauty and the Beast was brought up. This was interpreted as teaching men that being nice wins the girl. But really, he …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 09:47 AM
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If they don't care, then they are, in a way, invulnerable. They are inhumanly free of anxiety for some reason. Maybe because they have abundance mentality that stems from success, a nervous system of a psychopath, Buddhist monk training, etc. They are essentially fearless and exceptional compared to the average human. Why call it vulnerability when it's anything but?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 12:01 PM
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Yeah yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 09:45 PM
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So how did those things hurt your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 06:48 PM
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Well aren't you a person of sound and fury
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 06:47 PM
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They could have also developed feelings for you over the course of the friendship. That happens too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 05:45 PM
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You're no incel until you get desperate enough to give in to this sexy goddess.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 04:59 PM
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I wouldn't want them to look through my sketches and journal. There is nothing really secret in there and I can show it to them when ready, but I wouldn't want them to rummage through it unprepared and risk becoming offended by what they find in there. I had this happen several times - someone will look through my journal or sketches and get all horrified, like I'm the one who did something wrong. If this happened, I'd be very disappointed by their lack of respect. But if they liked what they sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 04:34 PM
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They don't have a chance with hotter women and don't often interact with them anyway. Joining one of their clubs is like becoming a big fish in a small pond. I agree with everyone who said sexual attraction is about looks, and those "unattractive" nerdy women are still visually attractive to nerdy men. But there is more to it. An "unattractive" nerdy girl seems more approachable, less scary to talk to, more easy to connect with over hobbies and interests. It sounds good if what you want is love.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 02:42 PM
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Scientologists can be high value too. Having a few cooky beliefs doesn't matter. Being found hot and high marriage value by enough people does.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 12:52 PM
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Sounds like a psychopath. Extremely manipulative, Machiavellian, yet impulsive and disinhibited. Those certainly exist. But I don't believe it's a good descriptor for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 07:12 PM
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I tried to be red pill, but I don't think I can do it. If I can't have love, I will make destruction my goal. I will have love or die trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 06:02 PM
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That makes me paranoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 05:53 PM
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What about Aileen Wuornos?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 05:00 PM
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From the link: "Become a Counter-cultural Freak/Misfit". It only works if you have great manipulation and leading skills. Charlie Manson might have been short and ugly, but he knew how to talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 04:57 PM
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So you'd say there there are men who look creepy and are thinking about rape, but can't get close enough to a woman? And other criminals that rely on trust (financial scammers, serial killers) also look trustworthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 04:19 PM
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PM and meet?..
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 03:58 PM
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What do you think of this one? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201103/criminals-look-different-noncriminals It says people in general can sense who's a criminal just by looking at their picture, except women can't spot rapists. If it's true, it would mean people's intuition is generally right, except rapists generally look trustworthy to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 03:24 PM
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I don't think it decreases their LTR chances much. A hot 25 year old with n=10 can marry an alpha because she' hot. And an average girl can get married to an average guy (if she takes him, that is...). There is a certain level of promiscuity that's allowed nowadays, as long as you settle down early enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 02:27 PM
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I don't think it's a big deal in real life, just in this subreddit. In general Purplepill is men and women calling each other low value and getting back at each other for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 01:33 PM
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Basic intelligence is important sure, but intelligent people can believe in a wide variety of things. You can't just redefine "high quality" as "hot, marriage material, and believes in everything I believe in". Neither bluepillers nor redpillers will be happy to hear it, but feminists, redpillers and everything in between can be high quality or low quality, independently of their views.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 12:17 PM
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All a blue pill woman has to do to convince a redpiller is take him and show him what real love looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 12:43 PM
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I think a lot of those would be from people who don't buy into the argument that women were the oppressed class, while men were the oppressor class. It's one thing to claim oppression happened to people (or still does), it's another to claim women as a group were oppressed by men as a group. It's a very one-sided view that's more political than factual. As I see it, most oppression is about power and resources, not sex or race, and happens between classes/castes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 11:32 AM
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Not worshipping enough for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 10:11 AM
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You make the same mistake redpillschool did in his "married men can't be high quality" thread. Quality people can believe in all sorts of unscientific bull or make "illogical" decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 09:39 AM
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Lots of people are pointing out that men from higher classes marry, and it looks pretty much true. But how would this help a woman if she isn't from the higher classes? What if she's not in the upper segment when it comes to beauty, despite best efforts? Is a high class man gonna wait around for that?. Is the average woman gonna lock down this man using the "commitment first" method of RPWi? I'd say he's out of her reach whether she has sex with him or not. I'm sure other men except for the high…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 07:16 PM
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So what's the best thing to do for a woman, if she isn't from the higher classes? Saying "high value/class men marry more than everyone else" doesn't help if she's a prole. High class men might marry, but they don't stay celibate until marriage, and often not even after marriage (with other women anyway). Is it best to double down on finding marriage among these high class men, even though they aren't in her league? Even many of the RPWi didn't get their marriages through saving themselves. Why …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:32 PM
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Yeah, I noticed how people have been pushing for a false equivalence between the sexes when it comes to sexual power, to the point of denying that orientation matters. It's false either way, and irrelevant. We're talking about heterosexual relationships and the sexual power differential between men and women. I agree a woman can be just as lonely, and feel miserable. It doesn't change the fact that straight women have a major, undeniable advantage over straight men when it comes to sex and roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 04:30 PM
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Not true. Comedies reflect the tendencies of the time and place they are set in. Watch a romantic comedy from far back in time and you'll see it, too. Here, try this, it's awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4MOQSRC_bM
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 03:16 PM
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How about every movie Adam Sandler ever made? Hot chick falls for unambitious shlub. What comes first - male desire for that sort of thing, or Hollywood "brainwashing"? Female desire for makeup and beauty, or magazines that "tell" girls they must be beautiful? I dunno, I think we want certain things and media will reflect that. Personally I'll say nobody told me to serve a girl. I did that all to myself. But sure, certain media made those tendencies intensify.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 03:09 PM
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But the world DOES revolve around me. Me and mine matter more to me than anything else. Someone else's ideas that oppression is "for the greater good" matter not to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:35 PM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:28 PM
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I dunno, I wouldn't mind the constant hand-worship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:47 PM
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A lot of them will admit it, but then claim "it's not power" and doesn't really count because all that sex doesn't offer them any value. And then in the same breath they will claim that women aren't generally asexuals who'd be happy to fap their way through life if no attractive partners show up. I think they are just spoiled and don't know it. They fail to see the overwhelming advantage, like always knowing they could get laid if they wanted to, and the larger possibility of getting a romantic,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:42 PM
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If women had it easier in some ways, and harder in other ways, does it mean both sexes were oppressed in some ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:23 PM
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Incels don't exist cuz they could go gay? And if you're a gay incel, you should fuck the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:42 PM
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