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Yeah I know it sounds surreal the day I said it... But after yeeeears it's the only time that happened and things actually got better after
/r/seduction19/02/26 11:18 AM
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Update: Met her again yesterday This shit looks like from a movie: her cat died falling from the 14th floor yesterday, she called me crying Calmed her down and genuinely just wanted to see her well, I was on my way home from work and picked her at her place to help burrow the cat at her mother's place I was ready to drop her at her place and go back to mine and she invited me to go out dancing We had a really great time, being playful with each other, she was happy I was there for her and sugges…
/r/seduction19/02/26 09:37 AM
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Yeah that was scary shit. I genuinely got worried as she wasn't a random and we were close before, but you had a point. You just pointed the red flag for me. Thanks my dude.
/r/seduction18/02/26 07:32 AM
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🤦‍♂️ Haters gotta hate 🤷‍♀️
/r/seduction18/02/26 07:28 AM
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Man I'm still a little shocked with the outcome of this. Next day, after what I thought was an epic fuck up, we ended up in my car kissing and me fingering her. Wtf...
/r/seduction17/02/26 08:26 PM
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That's the dream, I hope it happens to me with this girl haha
/r/seduction17/02/26 08:24 PM
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No idea man. Next day, when I managed to talk to her, she said she was thinking about the oral sex I gave her. And said it was good, but things ended (her stopped things) before she would regret it and didn't feel the hit.
/r/seduction17/02/26 08:24 PM
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That might be a good point. She could be emotionally invested and ok with sex not being good on the first time.
/r/seduction17/02/26 08:23 PM
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yeah that's what I thought, wtf
/r/seduction17/02/26 08:22 PM
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No idea what swich flipped in her head after this. Next thing I know, she staring at me smirking, and said "look, it wasn't too fast, it crossed my boundaries and you ignored my values, but I had worse" Then she was back to staring at me with puppy eyes and chatting. In my head I was (wtf is going on?). I thanked her for being open to talk about this. As I was ready to the situation where we just wouldn't talk anymore. Later she asks if I want to leave together (wtf?). I took her to her place, a…
/r/seduction17/02/26 08:22 PM
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She panicked, then calmed down, and panicked again, and when we headed to the bedroom, and she undressed, she was uncomfotable and things ended with me giving here oral but she backed off and panicked really bad. In the middle of that, she cried, I checked on here and stopped everything, we cuddled, calmed down, and she dressed up. We talked quite some time about that right after, that we went too fast, I walked her to her car and told her that I really liked her, and the last thing I ever wante…
/r/seduction17/02/26 08:22 PM
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You know what, that might be it. To give some more context, there are many variables involved. We met each other as dancers, and after dancing twice, we felt a REALLY STRONG body connection (dance connection). Now, things were chill because I'm M44 and she's F23. I needed a dance partner and it was the first time I had such strong connection with someone (dance connection) and I want to progress fast, so didn't care about her age. Sure, she's pretty and fit, but if I'm going to spent hours or ev…
/r/seduction17/02/26 08:21 PM
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By the looks of it, it might be behavioural. How often do you tease girls or example? If you have style, looks, physique in point, it's missing the behavioural part.
/r/seduction15/02/26 12:55 PM
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is this an old post of mine? I guess this kind of empathy is really hard to have. It only clicks if the right experience happens, and, life experience kicks in it's strange what you're saying about ignoring women's reaction to not feel uncomfortable to be touched, it doesn't sound like me even in the old days of my 20s or 30s
/r/seduction03/01/26 06:03 AM
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Yeah... I see where you coming from. I really wonder if it's possible to embrace it and be together long term with a younger girl.
/r/seduction01/01/26 02:51 PM
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That was a bad streak haha, universe fixed it
/r/seduction01/01/26 02:50 PM
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I don't think it's financial stability since here in France the mentality of "strong independent woman" is ingrained everywhere. And the attention really turned me from invisible to getting all these looks and giggles, haven't had that when younger. Maybe maturity, plus all the investment on myself all these years, no idea. It might also be a generation thing. 40 yo now might be more attractive than your typical 40 yo from 2000s
/r/seduction01/01/26 02:49 PM
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damn you're right
/r/seduction01/01/26 02:43 PM
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yeah I cannot lose hope lol
/r/seduction31/12/25 07:16 PM
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well sure, I can travel on vacation
/r/seduction31/12/25 07:13 PM
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I always dated younger in my life. Never had a girl trying to exploit me financially. Hey suggesting to pay for her stuff is a good indicator she's nice. Also, she might visibly feel bad if you start to spend money "on her". The times I did was because I really wanted to do something (like a trip pet example) that was it if their budget (as they are younger, usually they make less money) Then I explained I wanted to spend some nice time with them and it was fine
/r/seduction31/12/25 04:38 AM
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Idk man, in France is bad... Women here age poorly. I rarely see a smoking hot 40yo, though find.
/r/seduction31/12/25 03:03 AM
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Well if its only dating for first time any age will do brother. But yeah, 40 yo women are mostly in bad shape. I reckon guys too. Most people give up on themselves.
/r/seduction31/12/25 03:02 AM
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They pay for their stuff and offer to pay for their stuff, even if they are pretty
/r/seduction31/12/25 02:58 AM
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yeah I reckon I might be a little picky. agree with the pool idea, it might just not be a good city. it's different in other cities (some other cities)
/r/seduction31/12/25 12:55 AM
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have to disagree here. Getting ridiculous amount of attention from younger girls after I crossed 42 yo. Never been like this my whole life
/r/seduction31/12/25 12:53 AM
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it's haaaard... they want to enjoy life, and many don't even have a career yet
/r/seduction31/12/25 12:52 AM
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maybe a more traditional one could work. so they wouldn't run away to fuck around haha
/r/seduction31/12/25 12:51 AM
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thing is they have a strong FOMO and peer pressure to fuck a lot. So it's not easy to pin a 20 yo down.
/r/seduction31/12/25 12:49 AM
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not sure, so far man. I got my career here
/r/seduction31/12/25 12:48 AM
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yeah maybe that's the way...
/r/seduction31/12/25 12:47 AM
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Perhaps it's an age thing, I'm starting to feel more inclined to find a stable partner. I wish I didn't have to compromise so much on a woman's appearance because of age. Maybe I'm going to the wrong places.
/r/seduction30/12/25 07:59 PM
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Yeah I'm open to travel. Just have in my mind having something more stable after all the fun. 20s the girls fuck anything that moves and don't want to stay with only one guy. 30s... Perhaps...
/r/seduction30/12/25 07:55 PM
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It has a lot to do with the woman trusting you, feeling attracted to you and logistics. Really well planned logistics. That sort of planning allows the woman to let things happen, feel comfortable and trust you. However, it's not "easy" by any means.
/r/seduction10/11/25 12:23 PM
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44M here - About the push back: if it reached that point, it means you didn't connect enough physically and getting to know each other - She needs to feel safe and comfortable (and horny) to go to next level - When this happens (and she says something like no sex tonight / limits etc) just flip the script and say "Wow, I was only thinking about kissing and getting to know each other first but I like the way you are already thinking about sex". Than don't try sex that night, just connect alittle …
/r/seduction24/10/25 12:33 PM
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Yes. They have to trust you, and not feel it's dangerous to have intimacy with you.
/r/seduction22/10/25 05:51 PM
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I was at a bar with a group I had met a day before. This girl starts to dance around me, drinking a glass of water, she comes close to my face and spit all water she has in her mouth on my face... We kissed 🤣
/r/seduction22/10/25 12:36 PM
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Wow haven't heard about pickup arts in a while! Start with conversation techniques and flirting
/r/seduction05/10/25 08:27 AM
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I'd say that women in general crave attention and the challenge to get someone to like them so much, that the guys drops his options so she feels good about herself and attractive enough to do so... And there's nothing to do with loving the guy, just getting him to a point where he sees only her. At this point she'll walk away, dump the guy and chase the next challenge. Not all women are exactly like this, but I believe that some are more then others, and yet... All have some of this cravings fo…
/r/seduction29/09/25 03:47 PM
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Any women you mean 🤔 🤣
/r/seduction26/09/25 07:06 PM
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Geez
/r/seduction26/09/25 07:05 PM
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Argh not the way to go
/r/seduction22/09/25 11:03 PM
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The Europe next to Asia and the South America right underneath Central America.
/r/seduction19/09/25 06:54 AM
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You're a woman I suppose? It's not a matter of better or worse for being a man or not. It's just they don't look good most of the time. Here in Europe at least. I come from south America. A 40 yo woman there looks like a 30 yo here, it's a bit insane. Lucky me I'm on the other side, as I look a lot younger than Europeans. People rarely give me 40 yo, usually 30 something. I guess I pull it off just because I'm not from here.
/r/seduction19/09/25 06:29 AM
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Well she moved out and that was already planned before we met, it's for her career. Today is my last day at her place, she cried before she left. I guess this is just life throwing me a bone.
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:53 AM
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The fit in and fomo is very real. She mentioned that even. Il never forget that shit
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:10 AM
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That's not the issue 👀
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:08 AM
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Lesson learned
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:07 AM
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🤣
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:06 AM
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Guess I was blind. Summer was really good
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:05 AM
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You're right. Thank you
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:04 AM
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🤣
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:03 AM
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It happened before, but that sure was a reality check
/r/seduction19/09/25 05:03 AM
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You wish
/r/seduction18/09/25 10:28 PM
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Lead with having fun with the girl first before any sexual innuendo.
/r/seduction12/09/25 10:50 AM
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Fixing trauma with therapy takes YEARS. Don't give up, you're on the good path.
/r/seduction08/09/25 03:26 PM
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If they don't have a boyfriend they sleep with a looot of guys. It blows my mind how many guys girls fuck these days.
/r/seduction06/09/25 11:46 PM
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Yeah sure. I'm M43 and my gf is F22. I'm active, in shape, eat well, as long as you're fit and do well in life, it's all good. And I understand women a looooooot better than in my twenties
/r/seduction21/08/25 12:58 PM
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That's not the reason she distanced herself. We're moving to fast means: "I like you, I feel attracted to you, but I haven't had time yet to know if I can trust you and you only want to fuck me." The trust part is the connection part. It's about sharing things that are personal, having fun together, sharing sex adventures, doing activities together. So if you are "moving too fast" it means not enough connection. And each women has their own pace, but you can drop many "clues" that will indicate …
/r/seduction20/08/25 12:33 PM
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Jesus this girl has been creeped out for life.
/r/seduction11/08/25 07:57 AM
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You just said the same using MM copy and paste bro. I know what's an IOD. But people get it wrong, indicator of disinterest is given by the woman, who could give IOIs or IODs A neg, when well fired, causes laughter. And it doesn't show that you're not interested per say. It shows you're not interested yet, and are testing the waters, flirting Which in normal English makes sense: she doesn't give you too much attention when starting a conversation (IOD), you say something that makes all her frien…
/r/seduction05/08/25 03:12 PM
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Negging IS playful teasing. From the MM: the appropriate response to negging is laughter. It's the most misunderstood concept from mystery method. For years, a lot of women journalists said it was a back handed insult, and even some guys understood it that way. There's a fine line between insulting and flirting / teasing. And many times, it's not the words that change, but the context and the connection between those two people. The idea is that you take your time to get to know the girl, and wi…
/r/seduction05/08/25 10:38 AM
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No
/r/seduction01/08/25 11:55 AM
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Bro, and here I am, at 43, going out with a 22yo girl. That makes me a dinosaur 🦕
/r/seduction18/07/25 04:52 PM
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You cannot generalize a whole population. Even if women have similarities in what makes them attracted, that in itself might change a little according to what they are looking for. A player + ripped guy will turn them on, and make them wild in bed. They are looking for sex relationship. No need for the relationship to not be chaotic. Then a nicer guy giving exclusive attention, which feels that's you, is more relationship material, they are trying something more chill, longer term, and expect se…
/r/seduction16/07/25 11:48 AM
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Bro, mark my words: there's nothing wrong with being nice to a girl. On the contrary, if you're nice, she will trust you more. The issue is that guys who are nice are not always working on themselves, then don't have the attractive characteristics that turns them on... It's actually an advantage, as once you embrace it, it will help you keep them. They might not be seeing you again because they expected a one night stand with no commitment, it's not because you're nice. It's just what they were …
/r/seduction14/07/25 06:56 AM
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Solo practice? Well the main benefits are expanding social circle and actually learning to be desensitised to an absurd quantity of women around you haha Solo practice kind of misses the point, as you have to really like dancing and if you go to pick up you get brushed off really quickly
/r/seduction13/07/25 08:24 PM
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Same, salsa and bachata
/r/seduction13/07/25 07:46 PM
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Well, I guess it has to do with a change of perspective. If I'm focused in "progressing" to have sex, I won't see that. Whereas, if I'm focused in having a great time with her, and let her express herself, and be comfortable, suddenly I can see it.
/r/seduction13/07/25 01:05 PM
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For me it's usually social dancing. I like it as the girls feel a lot safer and relaxed on these places than in clubs. It could be any activity that you interact physically with the girls though, like some martial arts, yoga or physical training I guess.
/r/seduction13/07/25 11:49 AM
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I'm a lot more laid back to be honest. In the past I did the nightclub / daygame thing, running around talking to girls. Now, I prefer one that's from my social setting. Not necessarily from friends circle but from a place I always go and some people are always there. Some of the girls there that interact on these places sometimes are interested.
/r/seduction13/07/25 11:36 AM
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Yeah I think empathy is the right word. It all triggered after a girl I met on a trip, we just kissed and I left because it was the end of the knight. Two months after I travelled to her city and she was excited to see me, 3 hours in and we were in a rooftop -> my Airbnb and there was something off. I did everything "right" asking if she was OK with it, which she wasn't, but there was a disconnect as she kept saying yes. Sex was really bad. Morning after, she said we didn't give it time to get t…
/r/seduction13/07/25 11:22 AM
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This girls are between 22 and 30. Yes I backed off when they were nervous but what changed was the mindset. In the past, I'd backoff just so I would progress towards a goal but now it's more like a genuine intention of getting her to calm down and feel safe, it's really changed how they feel and how horny they get.
/r/seduction13/07/25 10:59 AM
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Real World Seduction from swingcat is one of the OG books that's a must read to learn push & pull and frames.
/r/seduction13/07/25 10:37 AM
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Oh man... They OG PUAs are dying already, new generations coming...
/r/seduction07/07/25 11:03 PM
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You are right. If you're not having fun, the night is bad. The issue is not the PUA movement, it's the wrong interpretation of how to do it. There's a huge difference between approaching non stop with the intent of getting women and approaching non stop with the intent of having fun. One of the benefits of making many approaches is to display to the room your social proof and pre selection, and have fun. When doing that, the sets start getting easier over time, because the rest of the girls of t…
/r/seduction07/07/25 06:48 PM
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Going to go old school here: You might need to build more comfort. Hell, you had them with their hands in your pants dude! However, any girl needs to feel safe before leaving with you. Let things get hot, but take small breaks to talk about her. Doesn't need to be too deep as it seems you're looking for hookups, but she needs to know: - She's safe if she goes with you - Connected enough to leave with you - Horny enough to leave with you Safety: - Slow down sometimes, bounce around the venue with…
/r/seduction05/07/25 01:33 AM
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Wait, you want to not be too sweet while already having a sexual relationship with them? 40s here as well. I believe they are missing you being a bit more edgy and teasing them more. It's a 20s thing, to have exciting moments with the guy. One example it comes to mind is a girl I'm seeing, she's Russian, really sweet girl. When she got to my place first time, my dog loved her (it's a siberian husky): - OMG your dog loves me - That's odd, she doesn't trust anyone at first. I paused for a second a…
/r/seduction05/07/25 01:16 AM
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Touch barrier?
/r/seduction01/07/25 05:44 PM
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Hahaha Damn dude that screams "let's go to mine and fuck" She just wants to get too know you a little to make sure you're not a psycho first. Also, it doesn't matter if it's a restaurant, a park, whatever it is. It's just to meet before, enjoy some time together and THEN sex times
/r/seduction01/07/25 06:08 AM
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OMG, it boggles my mind to see men sexless older and older over the years. Hope you find a nice gf for your first time dude. At 35, you have got to have a passion, pour your soul into it, something social or that you need to attend and involves people. Once you start getting better at it, and talk more to women, it gets easier.
/r/seduction30/06/25 06:22 PM
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I'm 43, not super incredible with women but usually date between 25-35 bracket
/r/seduction25/06/25 04:22 PM
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Ars amorata is the style that has this characteristic
/r/seduction23/06/25 10:28 AM
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What shocked me is that it's been years since I cannot manage to make a woman enjoy oral sex and cum from it. Usually on first night together. I was shocked and frustrated, left me without alternatives.
/r/seduction22/06/25 08:20 AM
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Affluent the day with her yesterday, got to know each other better, teased a lot more, it was a pleasant day but I couldn't feel the sparkle. I think it's fucked 😂
/r/seduction22/06/25 08:19 AM
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Well, wod you just have sex and not care about your sex partner enjoyment?
/r/seduction22/06/25 08:18 AM
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Yesssss that's my problem!
/r/seduction18/06/25 07:50 PM
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Which ones?
/r/seduction18/06/25 09:12 AM
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Yeah, perhaps. I do look young for my age, but still...
/r/seduction18/06/25 09:12 AM
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Alright, I'm not native speaker didn't know the expression. Thank you bro!
/r/seduction10/06/25 07:38 PM
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Checkpoint: from this point, being more sexual is allowed by the girl Now you're together, continue on the adventure Go to cool places where you can be more comfortable and discrete Increase sexual tension (jokes with double meaning, eye contact, sensual touching) Checkpoint: "We had a great day, what do we do now?" If everything went well, she'll look at you, blush, play with her hair and say "hmmm, I don't know..." (saw that many times) 15.a You could suggest: "alright, let's go to my place th…
/r/seduction10/06/25 05:27 PM
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Checkpoint: she's interested and don't want you to leave Spend time with her so you get to know each other and enjoy your adventure together Topics: what do you do for a living, where do you live, how is life back where you live. Make sure she's excited about the adventure you, and wants you to get more physical before anything goes any further At all times, you slowly get more physical to build comfort, get her comfortable with you and make sure she is into you. Checkpoint: she seems interested…
/r/seduction10/06/25 05:26 PM
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Timeline You are in your adventure Los Angeles: Solo trip going old school on the city with a paper map Las Vegas: Solo trip enjoying America for the first time, when out to try my new camera (it was a cool one) Copenhagen: Solo trip going out to explore copenhagen for the first time You see a girl who sparks your interest Los Angeles: Local, I liked her smile and how shy it was Las Vegas: Korean traveler, bubbly girl exploring vegas Copenhagen: American traveler, backpacking in europe, I liked …
/r/seduction10/06/25 05:26 PM
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Let me try to give a modern spin on this: Strategy: Taking the woman on an adventure she is willing to join. Preparation: At the time I started, the notion of consent was in its infancy, so that allowed some bad apples to use all sorts of tricks to "get what they want". Don't do that, instead: - If you're going to get to know a woman better, make sure it's one you like, and that she wants to talk to you - Make sure you go out "in an adventure" in the world. It can be a solo trip, a night out wit…
/r/seduction10/06/25 05:25 PM
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haha why you think it's bad? It's part of internalizing the thing
/r/seduction10/06/25 04:31 PM
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Appreciated man. Had lots of fun doing "sarges" in the past
/r/seduction10/06/25 10:19 AM
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Hah that's what I did, the instant date thing, forgot the term.
/r/seduction09/06/25 01:54 PM
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I managed to get that to work only three times in my life. Two of them were travelers, so it helped. What do you need to know?
/r/seduction09/06/25 01:53 PM
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Sounds like she's baiting to check what you'll do
/r/seduction09/06/25 09:26 AM
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A mix of indirect and direct I guess.
/r/seduction09/06/25 09:22 AM
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Unshakeable: Your Financial Freedom Playbook - Tony Robins I learned about compounding and index funds thanks to this book. Made some good money
/r/seduction09/06/25 09:16 AM
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There's another book from venusian arts, called Revelations, that explains the way of being. The routines and gambits can be seen as a way to give you access to experiment things you otherwise couldn't by following your intuition (have fun, get the girl attracted, enjoy the moment etc) Once you've practice them enough (according to the book) you'd start internalising the behaviour, and it becomes your way of being, how you are, and you're just expressing yourself and generating attraction... Wit…
/r/seduction09/06/25 09:10 AM
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🤣 sorry dude, fixed the post. I just spoke the whole thing and forgot the breaks
/r/seduction09/06/25 07:21 AM
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My life is being transformed (again) after 40s since I started dancing Latin dances. I read something in the ars amorata alabaster girl that says something along the lines that the beauty of the masculine is how strongly a man follows his passion. The reason I'm mentioning this is because dancing for me is a passion, and I go out to really have fun dancing. It does a lot of the work for me: I'm not hitting on them, the sexual subtext is given by the dance and not me, the vibe is contagious to th…
/r/seduction09/06/25 07:05 AM
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No worries, dude! At 40s, it's really easy to creep 20 yo out talking about sexual subjects, so focusing on being social and fun (and physical) hours a long way.
/r/seduction09/06/25 06:47 AM
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What do you mean to go clean up and go out? I don't see it as easy. On my cycle of friends, there are girls in this bracket that HATE some guys we know in their 40s because they have that thirsty vibe after young girls that make them wanna vomit. It's counterintuitive, but at my age, I find that not being sexual and being fun and physical instead turns these girls on like they're on fire.
/r/seduction09/06/25 06:45 AM
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Surround yourself with girls, and have fun with them, without sexualizing things. It's a skill, after pushing yourself to have fun with hundreds of girls, the craving goes down by orders of magnitude
/r/seduction08/06/25 09:50 PM
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43 here. Take it easy and focus on finding something that's social and give the girls fun, lot's of fun. It's good to have awareness of age, in a good way. Girls I see are in between 25 - 32 bracket and it's good fun.
/r/seduction08/06/25 09:44 PM
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