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CMVFreevoulous/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 10:04 AM
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Question For WomenFreevoulous/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 01:35 PM
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- went to a open-air rock concerty by a bus - met a cute redhead and her friend in the bus - almost immediate flirt and hitting it off. 3 bus-stops later she was basically mine - get out, join the crowd - she immediately found a way to press her body against mine and we went at it under the coat (god bless long duster coats!) - the friend caught us and told us to maybe find a more discreet place - we moved venue to the nearby bushes where I bent the readhead over a log of a fallen tree and raile…
/r/seduction15/12/25 11:21 AM
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Print it out, give it to your son on his 15 birthday, and have him memorise it.
/r/seduction09/12/25 12:09 PM
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Gentlemen Dont Kiss and Tell. You are NOT supposed to share that shit. Not just because its tacky, you are spoiling Operational Secrecy. That is why we have places liek this subreddit, so that Fuckbois could share stories and tip. You DO NOT talk shop with your friends like that, best case scenario they jsut hate you, worst case they spread the news and spoil your hard work.
/r/seduction20/11/25 10:30 AM
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Is it confidence? Energy? Detachment? Yes, exactly those things. Its basically the confident, friendly, casual Big Dick Energy. You don't want to be a macho Alpha Male. You don't want to be Boyfriend Material. You're essentially a fun, consequence-free distraction or a treat, that women can give themselves, as if your cock and your attention were a tub of ice-cream. The second part is learning how to find the kind of women who need that kind of casual, friendly distraction. Personally, I more or…
/r/seduction05/11/25 03:00 PM
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We actually DO have that confidence. It tends to be intertwined with high-testosterone, masculine phenotype, ADHD, extroversion and impulsiveness. Of course plenty of men lack it, because evolution is blind and throws shit at the wall with random mutation. Being shy however is good for survival and not a problem in civilised society, so shy guys procreate too. If we had Tinder in the Paleolithic Age, everyone except high-T Chads would be extinct.
/r/seduction03/09/25 10:35 AM
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some reasons some women are boring: - lack of hobbies outside of the most vapid and surface level socialisation (gossip, scrolling social media) - completely one-sided need to be entertained by a man, without being able to entertain him back - passive or active anti-intellectualism - obsession with small talk over deep talk - lack of adventurousness - no sense of humor, especially an inability to self-depreciate or enjoy more raunchy or controversial jokes - a high level of self-centeredness or …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:16 PM
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Im a guy, but exactly the same as you mentally. Id wager the MBTI type we have has no bearing on the MBTI type of the people we end up dating, because with ADHD our attraction switches and our mental compatibilities are wildly out of tune with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 11:41 AM
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This is not just about women, but a general crisis of desires and a crisis of values. Women no longer know what they want, or what if good for them, but neither do men, really. In the classic "Simp Beta chases after the Average Woman who chases after the Chad, who Chases after the endless line of Cuties" EVERYONE is unhappy and fails to satisfy their desires, let alone their NEEDS. The Beta Simp simps for a relationship that would only bring him misery. The Average Becky dreams of a Chad, who wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 10:34 AM
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Difficult? No. Necessary? Also no. Everybody being shy and neurotic about harmless social interactions is how we get into mess like this.
/r/seduction24/06/25 06:44 AM
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Rarely, and every time it was clearly in jest. I do that too sometimes, but make sure I hit on the woman in such an absurd, over the top way that it is obvious im joking. I also glaze the dude like crazy to make up for it.
/r/seduction23/06/25 04:42 PM
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stupid men get screwed. Smart men never get married, secure their money via some 5Flag bullshit, do paternity tests and get a vasectomy as soon as they are done siring their desired number of kids (with zero kids being a valid choice as well).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:26 PM
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in a way, it is possible, but they made a tiny % of your genetic history, and in any case, even if you do hail from a polygamous society, there is a far higher chance that your male ancestors were the poor (and thus, monogamous by necessity) farmers and herders and not the elites.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:51 PM
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IMHO, the amount of "work" you need to put in is minuscule if you have your life together, and so big it is not worth it if you don't. This is why I advocate men to be absolute shameless flirts with all the women, always: just make the first step your lifestyle and put it on autopilot, so it does not feel like putting in work, just being you and enjoying the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:16 AM
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Not true. Most men reproduced; it is simply that the strongest, fittest men had slightly more kids, and their strong, fit sons had slightly more kids, etc, so they outbred weaker male lineages eventually. Strong, exceptionally fit and tall male physique is also an enviromental adaptation: men grew and shrunk to fit the natural conditions. Today, the "natural conditions" are ones where survival is near certain, and the only competition is in breeding, so men have all the incentive to grow as masc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:07 AM
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Ottermode body build is BY FAR the most attractive to most of women (75%), so there is just no point in aiming for anything else. Plus, ottermode is also optimal for your actual health and fitness too, so double benefit. Tripple in fact, because ottermode body is also easiest to find nice clothes and style for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:01 AM
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Studies show that the "ottermode" build (think Tyler Durden in Fight Club, because a shirtless, headless still frame from that movie was used as a baseline for the study) is considered BY FAR the most attractive by the most women. Over 75% of all women, regardless of age, race, class, and culture, said that the low BF + lean muscle look is better than any other. Only 11% voted on the bigger, "Superman" level of muscle, and very few liked significantly more, or significantly less fit physiques. J…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:58 AM
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you absolutely do not NEED to try. Girlfriends and relationships are not mandatory, nor even especially good for your happiness, unless your baseline happiness is already good, and the woman is compatible with it. On the other hand, I recommend just flirting good-naturedly with all the women you meet, just for the sake of it, without any expectation of success. The happiest men I know all share one trait: they just shamelessly flirt with every woman they see, in a transparently tongue-in-cheek, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:49 AM
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but that is the whole point. The only man women are attracted to is one that does not NEED them to be happy, and the only man who should bother with women at all is one who does not need them, because his life is succesful and full of confident happiness anyway. There is no "hoping" a relationship falls into your lap, the trick is to move past the need for a relationship, while growing attractive enough that a relationship might just randomly happen if you allow it. A man should think of a possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:41 AM
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I'll expand on it: the best way to get women is to focus on yourself and your own self-improvement for your own sake, with full commitment and focus on being the best and HAPPIEST man you can be, and then women happen by accident. There is absolutely zero reason to ever tryhard or simp, it's a colossal waste of time. It sometimes "works" by putting you in a situation where you are just used and miserable. A relationship achieved by simping is essentially Friendzone with delusions. Don't go there…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:32 AM
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on that note, how would you suggest men should reject women? I always feel horrible and awkward rejecting women, and invariably it comes out either too subtle and she keeps plowing on, or awfully blunt and heartless. How do I communicate that "Yeah gurl, keep hitting on guys, and don't get discouraged, just not on ME"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:01 AM
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simplest answer is that your question focused on the economic aspect of relationships, and women answered that they do not care about the economic aspect of relationships. It makes sense, women already live in a sort-of UBI, just one provided by men (not their partners, the taxpayers).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 06:20 PM
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Absolutely correct, based, and we need more of it. Every man needs his Aragorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:33 PM
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Bro, just befriend Butch Lesbians. 10/10 friends
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:42 PM
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there is a lot of valuable information to be gleamed from how a person's opinion or belief contradicts their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:52 AM
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He should have not been made a Kingsguard in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:46 PM
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this was literally proven by studies
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:49 PM
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Never once in my life. All my relationships started as ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 05:59 PM
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these things are not mutually exclusive though. Slav sexuality is a lot different from Anglo. - We do not have that much of a hookup culture and OLD, because we get into relationships quickly and easily. People rarely see the point in ONS or short-flings: if you like someone you keep fucking them - we don't do "dating". We usually start with easy sex and go into a relationship from that - most couples have this strong attraction vibe, like they were horny teenagers. Like, constant touching, kiss…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:07 PM
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Oh shit I did forgot, and I wanted to visit it! Barbarians ! :(
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:44 PM
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Central European Slav here: you realize OP that there are non-savage, sexually free people who aren't Westerners, right? Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians, Romanians, Moldovians, Lithuanians etc we had sexual liberation when you guys were still Puritans. We had Swinger Orgies when you guys had Purity Marches. There's a dildo museum in Prague older than the White House. Some of those dildoes belonged to our Queens. Westerners are hilariously sexually repressed compared to the closest East. The W…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 10:10 PM
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I agree in principle, except: how do you define what is, and what is not misandry/misogyny? - what if you say something that sounds misandrist/misogynist but is also 100% true in that particular case? (like say, calling a woman stupid, when in fact she objectively IS stupid, for reasons that are unrelated to her gender, but in ways that look related to her gender?) - what if you say something misandrist/misogynist about the other gender in general, but it is in fact also statistically true? (lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:46 AM
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Golden Post. I would add that the correct mindset here is to enjoy the approach itself and not focus on "success" at all, which ironically would lead to more success. Surprisingly, the Feminists of old were correct: the best way to get with women is to be interested in them as people and talk to them a lot. Who knew!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:24 AM
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I have doubts if the grifters and their more radical version of RP are all that meaningful and important. The way I see it: "Natural" Red Pill beliefs that men just come up with on their own is the most popular, probably encompassing 2 billion men or more. Traditional, old school "manly" beliefs that are effectively Red Pill in all but name, probably 1 bln. Vague RedPill-ish ideologies of all types, most focused on the "how to get women?": several hundred million men worldwide. Political Red Pil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:26 AM
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its probably a combination of both reasons and more. I, for one, was always successful with women, and women were usually nice to me, and that is precisely why I became Red Pill-ish: I had the privilege to learn how attraction and gender relations work, because I had the VIP access to the backstage of the dating scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:11 AM
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the same exact line of thinking devalues Feminism as well. In fact, it devalues almost all political movements, maybe except pacifism. Which, BTW is somethign I agree with: mass social movements, all those "-isms" are cancer. There is no point in vilifying RedPillism, particularly, as it is small and harmless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:04 AM
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I mean, the Leftist tactics are quite obviously failing hard, giving what is going on in America, and other places as well. Repressive tolerance only works as a tactic against the opposition when the opposition wants to uphold good PR and play nicely with you. It does not work if the opposition is openly hostile. Best example: the Left cannot "cancel" someone who openly "pre-cancels" themselves harder, and is openly proud of it. They can't shame you for something you are openly proud of, and can…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:00 AM
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That makes no practical sense unless you suggest a violent civil uprising and, effectively, a Handmaid's Tale scenario. There is no Carrot we can use to convince women with, and the only Stick that would work would be totalitarian violence, and that's a nuclear scenario that would destroy men as well. Morale cannot improve if the people have no control over their own morale to begin with, let alone the means to change the morale of another.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:52 AM
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This won't work, because: - people, women included, have very little control over their emotional choices, even if they want to, so women won't change their behavior no matter how bad things get for them - If you blame "all women", then obviously each woman will think, "it's not me it's the OTHER women. I'm a good girl".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:48 AM
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they will remain popular even AFTER people realize it's jsut really expensive masturbation, it will just normalize expensive masturbation practices rather than reduce the perceived value of the sexbots. If anything, the perception that the sexbot, no matter how advanced, is just a sex toy, will make them more palatable to the society at large. Humans are amazingly skilled at ignoring things if you give them a plausible excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:43 AM
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It's not really harmful, because nobody is entitled to your income or your love/attention. You are not harming someone by not giving them a present. Worst case scenario, one woman will remain single forever because of you. And since its Switzerland, I highly doubt she would die in abject poverty because of that. She would be supported from your taxes anyway, whether you like it or not, so you are already "helping". If you don't like that, there are probably ways for you to legally dodge taxes an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:36 AM
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Accepting the pool and being attracted to the people in it are different things, though. Im not sure anyone benefits if two people who are not mutually attractive force themselves to be in a relationship, just because they are the same "league". At best, the outcome would be a chaste friendship + cohabitation? On a broader scale it will also not work, since the numbers of attractive/unattractive men and women in different societies might be very different. You would easily end up with millions o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:12 PM
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weight is the easiest thing to change about your looks and probably the most important health-wise, so its a reasonable standard. "I dont want my partner to have a 100% self-inflicted deadly disease that covers them in a layer of blubber, and is caused by an addiction" is not an unreasonable standard. Imagine that chain-smoking had a good chance of transforming you into a manatee; thats the level of the problem obesity/overweight disease causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:04 PM
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no, that's just being practical. You're probably getting the best peach for the amount of time and $ invested. Carry on, King.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:55 PM
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but that is completely harmless, and a self-solving problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:53 PM
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They don't want to be treated as a grey mass but individuals. The thing is though, most women and most men objectively ARE just gray mass, and their refusal to acknowledge it and internalize it as normal is just ego and hubris. Most people are not pretty, or smart, or interesting, or cool, or skilled or have anything worth of specific interest about them. And that is perfectly ok. I know that a lot of women want the man to make them feel special, but it would be a very obvious deception because …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:51 PM
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who do you mean by "men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:41 PM
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As usual, the solution is for both genders to do the opposite of what they usually do, and consciously try to make smarter choices: - Women, don't change - Men, try to change (for the better)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 06:04 PM
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nobody is entitled to safety, thats nonsense. We absolutely do not have the means to guarantee everybody's safety, so this "entitlement" would be 100% delusional. Our safety is just a side effect of our economic and technological progress that made most types of violence obsolete solutions (ie: I don't need to rob, mug, assault, pickpocket or rape anybody, because our civilisation gives me 100x easier ways to get $ or pussy than that).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:48 PM
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just because safety is a human right does not mean we have the means to enforce it. The relative safety women have today is almost 100% the effect of economic progress that accidentally made violence obsolete, not some kind of a real protection against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:42 PM
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A simplest answer is that nobody is entitled to safety because for all practical purposes, safety is a side effect of modern civilisation and not something anyone can guarantee. We kinda-sorta achieved relative safety because our nations are rich enough and the laws sensible enough that violence usually makes little sense, not because everyone is so nice and heroic. You are not entitled to safety anymore than you are entitled to love, or magic, or justice, or Christ's Sacrifice or whatever, it j…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 01:36 PM
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why? and what fetishes?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:29 PM
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sure, but why focus on MOST? We just need enough. Even if one in a 1000 young women wanted to date an older guy, that's more than enough for the older guys who are even in the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:12 PM
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but why would MOST women want to date an older guy? All is needed for ENOUGH young women to date dateable older guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:56 PM
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Yes? Being 100% up front about this being a hook up is how you get women to agree to a hook up in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 12:33 PM
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Politics are largely irrelevant in a relationship because the things people "believe" politically to fit with their Tribe have zero bearing on their everyday lives and relationships. Everybody thinks they are the exception from the rules of their political Tribe, and act hypocritically within their own house. The obvious reason there are a lot of Right Wing Man - Left Wing Woman pairings, is because the Left is massively more popular with Women, and the Right with Men, but people need to find pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 09:53 PM
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The problem with dominant women is, where do you draw the line? I can be submissive to a woman in bed. But to be submissive in life, I would need her to be very competent at managing my life to let her rule, and that rarely is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:04 PM
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You don't know the actual character of the Bad Boy, only their actions, which can vary wildly depending on whether the Bad Boy is Your Boy, or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:49 AM
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more importantly, the vast majority of "Bad Boys" are loved by their Moms, have a lot of friends, and often have genuinely great relationships with women. A man can be an asshole to some people and a hero to others, often at the same time, and often for the same reason. Also, Nice Guys don't understand that just because a guy and a girl have a stormy, emotionally volatile relationship, does not mean the guy is Bad, or that the woman is unhappy. The Nice Guys do not understand the difference betw…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:35 AM
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Most importantly, Nice is not Good, and Good quite often is not Nice. A really Good man often feels like an asshole, because he sets strong boundaries, and if you run head-first into a good guy's boundary you'll break your nose. One of the problems Nice Guys face is that they avoid confrontation at all costs, and try to use "nice" diplomatic approach when decisive conflict is absolutely the correct solution. An actual Good Man needs to every now and then roar at someone, lay down the law, and re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:25 AM
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Most Bad Boys are harmless though, because: - women can spot an obvious Bad Boy a mile away, and consciously use one just for dicking - Bad Boys get things done, so it's often a good choice to follow one. - Most Bad Boys are not actively bad towards their women, they are predominantly "bad" towards the Nice Guys they dislike, especially if the Nice Guy is bothering the woman the Bad Boy is interested in. - Bad Boys are very often attractive and good exactly because they break social norms, becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:12 AM
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but the vast majority of Bad Boys are not criminals at all, and often not even bad in a meaningful way. At worst, most Bad Boys are promiscuous cocky assholes with a lot of confidence and charisma, which scares Nice Guys. The Bad Boy only feels "bad" when he is not on your side.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:07 AM
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the wierdest part is thinking all Bad Boys are criminals, or another kind of scum. In realty, most Bad Boys are successful members of society, because they "seduce" the whole world the same way they seduce women. Your average Bad Boy women fall for is not an ex-con with domestic abuse charges. It's the brutally succesful corporate manager who tramples over people to further his career and make $, just like he tramples women's hearts to get his dick wet. Most importantly, the majority of Bad Boys…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 09:04 AM
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That is not the whole picture. A lot of Bad Boys, if not the majority are actually genuinely better at many things that the Nice Guys, even if they are assholes about it. For example, the majority of corporate career men who advance quickly tend to be Bad Boys, but they are RICH AND SUCCESFUL Bad Boys. People forget that the traits that let the Bad Boy seduce women let the Bad Boy "seduce" other people too. A guy who can "sell" his dick to a woman, can you know, sell stuff and make $. A guy who …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 08:56 AM
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You are very confused about what Bad Boys represent OP. Every relationship is a subconscious trade-off. Every partner has their pros and cons. You chose the one whos pros outweigh the cons FOR YOU. The Bad Boys are often (though not always) selfish, manipulative, anger-prone and promoscious. But at the same time, the are brave, strong-willed, dominant, and sexy. The Pros outweigh the cons, even though the cons are bad. In fact, the Cons and Pros are two sides of the same coin: - The guyis good a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 08:33 AM
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I had never seen an attractive guy treat a woman with anything worse than polite indifference. The asshole bad boy behavior is completely unnecessary and tiresome if you are both physically attractive AND charismatic/attractive personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 12:01 AM
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thats me actually. Used to be one of those guys. The only reason I stopped is that the process gets so repetitive that you feel like its a Time Loop and all the new women are the exact same one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:57 PM
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Who do you think SOCIETY even is? When women hid their preferences, men were being taken advantage of, and women were unfulfilled anyway. Both sides of society suffered to keep up the charade.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:53 PM
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Another point is also that like attracts like. Men who think education and wealth in a woman is important, tend to be wealthy and educated themselves, or at the very least, wealthy men seek educated women, even if they are not. Status seeks status. So its not a likely scenario a man would desire to be ONLY hyper-gamous, and not hyper-ambitious himself, and if he is hyper-ambitious, then he's likely to run laps around any women he finds, no matter how hypergamous his choices. I know 3 men who wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 10:16 PM
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the problem with status/wealth based hypergamy, is that men who care much about woman's wealth and education, care about their own too, and are usually wealthy and educated as well, so it soon becomes less of hypergamy and more of a search for an equal partner. I mean, the likeliest place to find educated women is college. But going to college means Im also educated. The likeliest way to meet wealthy women is by connecting socially with business-minded circles, which lets ME become wealthy. Your…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 10:02 PM
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I am, or rather was, because I won at hypergamy. The trick was to find someone who is superior to me in things I suck at and vice versa. Me: richer, funnier, more charismatic Her: smarter, more organized, more socially connected. Im the typical high-energy, happy ADHD extrovert dude, basically a human Holden Retriever. There was no point looking for a woman richer than I am (I make good money easily) or more charismatic or outgoing (Im already over-the-top on my own). I wanted someone to help me…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:47 PM
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the % of men who are PassportBros would have to be at least 20% or higher to affect the women in any meaningful way. Men are not a precious resource.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 02:40 PM
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the thing is, most boyfriends START AS hookups. The average boyfriend you see with a GF, was supposed to be her ONS, a dick-of-the-night chosen out of sheer desire, but proved to be a good lay and she decided to keep him. So what you are talking about is some weird situation in which the woman fucked the guy like a Chad and then randomly decided not to do that anymore, or a situation when the guy was never her Chad to begin with, and the relationship was completely pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:31 PM
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exactly. Nobody simps more than a woman who feels "Husband Material" might slip her grasp.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:23 PM
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buddy, the goal is for both genders to put out and have fun, not have less of it. Women withold sex because sex is made a Big Deal. It should not be a big deal. As long as you use STD protection, there is no reason sex should not be given like candy. Women should not be expected to need a good reason to fuck someone, just an excuse. Because we made sex a Big Deal, women think they should save their precious vaginas for Chad. But vaginas are not soap, they don't get used up. Look at Bonobos. Bono…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:16 PM
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But that means that you have to constantly be pulling away from her until she raped you. Underrated wisdom here. The emotions you want to invoke in a woman should be "If the guy won't fuck me soon, I will MAKE him do it." If you can't achieve that, then the whole game is pointless and ultimate doomed to failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:08 PM
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Jesus Christ, Our Savior, the ultimate Selfless Simp
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:05 PM
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hardly ubiquitous. Most women have about 6 sexual partners in their entire lives, and one of them is their future husband, so there is very little opportunity to AF/BB at all, let alone often enough for it to become a habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:04 PM
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if you CAN do that, then whats the problem? The whole issue is not that men are not morally allowed to reciprocate, but that they CAN'T, because they lack the power, the skills or the looks to pull it off. You can daydream about cheating on your GF all you want, but actual cheating is much much harder to pull off than regular seduction, since you are constrained by the logistics of secrecy. If you were the kind of a guy who could easily cheat, you would be the kind of a guy who does not need to,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 03:00 PM
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assuming you can. Maybe the guy is trapped in a a loveless marriage without a chance of amicable divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 02:56 PM
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I would give OP benefit of the doubt if he was, I dunno, a 40 yo dude with two kids and a mortgage, trapped in a dead-bedroom loveless marriage. Sure, if that is the case, cheat-on my dude, since either celibacy or divorce will destroy you. But I have a hunch this is not OP's situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 02:54 PM
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He knows that if she leaves him, he'll need to struggle to find another woman who's willing to give him the time of day. True, but this kind of a guy is extremely unlikely to ever find a relationship that would be better for his happiness than being single and focused on your self-interest. At low enough value, all relationships you can possibly have are suboptimal choices done for the wrong reasons, so why bother? Its weird that all those dudes worry about "How do I get a GF???" but none ask "W…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 02:49 PM
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I assumed that is what most men at least try to do anyway, the problem is pulling it off. You can't reciprocate against someone with significantly higher Market Value, they can replace you but you can';t easily replace them. The only reward you get for doing that is brief emotional gratification for acting righteously... and then what? Whats step 2 here?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 02:45 PM
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finding awkward women is pretty easy. Dating awkward women as an awkward man is difficult since the both of them are unskilled at initating. Also, take note that while most socially awkward men end up acting shy, timid, and thus boring as a result, socially awkward women are often rude instead. The natural defense mechanism men have against social awkwardness is to shut up and run away. The natural defense mechanism women have against social awkwardness is to go on the offensive instead. All tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 02:30 PM
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irrelevant. We are talking about teen girls here, who should not, under any circumstances, date adult men. Awkward young girls should date boys their age, but socially active boys prefer socially active girls, while socially awkward boys cannot date socially awkward girls, since there would be nobody to make the move.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 01:57 PM
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yeah, I feel like OP is blowing the problem out of proportion. The vast majority of humans date 5-7 people in their lives, with the last or second to last being their spouse and the parent of their kids. It hardly matters if you start dating at 15 or 25 or even 30, if you end up dating the same number of people for roughly the same amount of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 01:52 PM
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adults don't use TikTok
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 01:42 PM
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I would add one caveat: the early dating phase can, and usually is beneficial, but can also be very damaging if done badly. I know several men who had the rotten luck to get a psychopath for a GF in their teen years, and ended up mentally emasculated people-pleasers who never managed to shake off the trauma. Most of them never recovered, and unable to regain their self-worth, jumped from one destructive relationship to another, until they ended up as estranged dad divorcees with a drinking probl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 01:41 PM
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Yes, that was the world up till about 2000s or even late 90s. Not anymore. Remember Fight Club? The movie/book is about the beginning of that crisis.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:53 AM
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We define people as "Bad" if they harm us, and as "Good" if their actions benefit us. There are no good boys and bad boys, just your boys that sometimes do "bad" things that benefit you, and thus, are Good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:57 PM
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logically, guys who LOOK like trouble tend to be capable of delivering trouble, and thus, likely to be capable of delivering other things. A man who looks harmless is most likely also defenseless, and more often than not, useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:27 PM
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"Bad" is circumstantial. Bad - on someone else's side, Good - on your side.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:25 PM
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The Bad Boy is only Bad if he is not on your side. Remember, all those violent Viking dudes who pillaged and raped and murdered and plundered returned home to their loving Norse wives and were considered their Heroes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:22 PM
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Yes. We have a massive crisis of male ideals and motivation, which feeds into learned helplessness because male life became meaningless and thus, young men don't even feel the need to save themselves, let alone improve. We desperately need men to redefine what masculinity means, without reverting to the traditional roots, or listening to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 11:17 PM
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While true, this is not just about dating, but a bigger gender-wide problem with men. I see the same externalization and learned helplessness at work, in business, when it comes to health, fitness, even passions and hobbies. And inversely, I noticed that men who "get it together" in some other aspect of life somehow magically do better with women. The moment a man starts self-improving in any aspect of his life, it kinda bleeds into other things subconsciously. That's why hitting the gym is so i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:49 PM
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the best evidence is that men cheat on fat women with fit women, but almost never the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:35 PM
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that does not explain anything, since by now over 50% of women are overweight. If only 10% of men like heavier women, then either all those fat ladies are going celibate, or men date them as a form of self-inflicted punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:33 PM
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true, but there is also a huge disconnect between a man's self-esteem and his actual market value. I know plenty of low-quality dudes who think they are the shit, but even greater number of handsome, fit and personable dudes who date ugly mean harpies because they don't know they can do better, or even remain obliviously alone and celibate because they don't think they have a chance with any girl, while women literally start to pant, salivate and lubricate the moment the dude enters the room. My…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:27 PM
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By the time we have true robot Gfs, we would have a nearly 100% robotic workforce, and that is a tad bit more worldchanging.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:58 PM
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Most importantly, men in general, form emotional connections AFTER sex, because sex is what triggers bonding. So by forcing a man to wait, you force him to pretend he feels something he is not ready to feel yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:34 PM
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Bravo. BASED X1000000. Please become president of Earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:15 PM
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Not the same men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:06 AM
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Not the same men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 07:06 AM
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You are right for the wrong reasons. Most men are RP because most men are from cultures that were never BP to begin with. Take note that most men are Asian, specifically Chinese and Indian, everybody else is a footnote in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:15 PM
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Most men care mostly about sex, and its 100% effective. Any manipulation women try aside from it is just for decoration. Watch how female manipulation instantly fails when pussy is not an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 09:21 AM
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I feel like it doesn't matter? Who cares if the women you would never interact with talk BS aboit you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 09:44 PM
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for a number that big, median and average would be the same. You'd need Chads bedding thousands of women each to skew the numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:08 PM
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at numbers this absurdly big, AND anonymous? Unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:04 PM
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because the margins do not matter, and cannot be helped? You can rewrite the sexual game however you want, and the re ALWAYS will be losers just for different reasons. In 2024, its hard to find a GF if you are not 6ft tall. In 1024, it was hard to find a bride if you did not have 6 cows. Selective processes are always hard, that is the whole point. The point is, the actual margin margins, the men who never get laid at all, and never are in relationships at all, and cannot ever be, are a microsco…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:00 PM
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aside from eye color and intelligence, which are inborn traits, all the others are achievable through practical efforts. Hair can be dyed, and men like don't care if the hair color is natural, as long as it is one they like in the first place. All the other physical and mental things on the list come from effortful self-care, good diet, good fitness regimen, and strong will to work on your personality. Nobody is born to be slim, or born to be caring and agreeable: you achieve it through hard wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:44 PM
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smartwatches
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:36 PM
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False negatives do not matter, if the pool of choice is far greater than the demand. Even if a woman rejected 99 men on false negative premises, there is easily 999 more dudes in the general area, so whats the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:33 PM
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another thing to consider is: just because a woman can "sniff" a potential bad thing about a guy, its not enough to reject him. Every person is a mixture of good and bad traits, and oftentimes the math checks out positive even if the bad traits are really obvious. Im the kind of a guy who could just as well have "commitment avoidant" tattooed on my forehead. Everything from my body language, behavior, flirting style, and down to my actual non-ambiguous words confirm repeatedly that I don't "do r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:29 PM
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Statistically, most men eventually get laid, date, marry and have kids. The average man has 5-7 partners in his life. Since most humans are monogamous, the number of life-long incel men and incel women is about equal, and really, really small. Around 30 years old, only less than 5% of people are virgins, and this number keeps falling throughout life. Consider this: AT LEAST 95% of men eventually get laid, relationships, wife and kids. And most of these men have zero idea what they are doing! The…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:29 PM
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there's 4 billion women out there, every humanly possible combination exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:11 PM
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heir is a red herring in this conversation anyway, since hair color can be changed within 2 hours with a 5$ dye.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:10 PM
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the nice part is that the unreasonable expectations demanded from a Good Woman are not the kind a Good Man would demand, so Good Partners can focus on actually reasonable traits and max them out. Like, no sane man expects his female partner to do all the chores AND work, but a reasonable man would expect her do one of these things, and a reasonable woman would do so without him even asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:08 PM
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interestingly, about half of those are achievable skills/traits for women looking for a partner, especially a partner who fills their list as well. Its always weird to hear/read women complaining they cannot find a Good Man. Finding a Good Man is easy if you have the traits above, and achievable if you have about half. The trick I think, is to hone those traits early on and get the Good Man in your early 20s, because by the time you're 30 most Good Men are taken already, and unlikely to be singl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 01:05 PM
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100% Agree. Im an ugly-ass Neanderthal-looking MOFO, who got laid like tiles, solely thanks to high-energy ADHD and overconfidence. The best compliment I got from a woman is being described as having "Golden Retriever Energy" that she could not resist, even though she logically knew Im a thug-faced caveman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:59 PM
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this is not all that weird. As a man, I also repeatedly encounter women who I find stunningly beautiful, but not attractive, and women who are plain looking but extremely sexy. Its like "would I rather have sex with this person or make an artsy photo of them?" One extreme example for me is Nicole Kidman. She is extremely, almost inhumanely beautiful, but completely sexually blank to me. Even her steamiest sex scenes, from her physical prime years just make me uncomfortable, like watching a prayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:54 PM
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more importantly, a huge % of men have no standards or type, and would gladly date any woman who is both human and alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:46 PM
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this really, really depends on the country/ethnicity/culture. When I was 37, I dated a 25 yo woman. My western European friends were disturbed I dated someone so young, my Eastern friends disturbed that I dated someone so old, since I could go younger ;P Really, the Age Gap is only a problem in societies where Karen-Aged women have social influence, since they are the ones who complain the most about their peers dating younger women. Societies that yeet Karens out of any position of social power…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:28 AM
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I would. Id rather my daughter dated a 30 year old man than a 20 year old boy, because the latter is almost certainly dumber, less wise, less responsible, more likely to get her pregnant by accident, more likely to break her heart through callous stupidity, and less likely to support her financially if they marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:20 AM
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"Society" is a very nebulous term. My society (the country I live at ATM) went from being relatively Feminist, to Conservative, to Feminist to almost Right Libertarian in the general culture within the last 20 years. Currently, my society is very pro-male. It will probably shift ina few years. So, sweeping generalizations like that are rubbish. To give an example how fast it can change: not so long ago, Poland welcomed hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainian women refugees, when the war in Ukra…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 11:16 AM
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Solution: Open border immigration for young, fertile women only. Are you biologically female, fertile and under 35? Here's your citizenship, Miss. 3 ....? Profit. Everybody else? Guys, old ladies, old dudes, families with kids? Fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:03 PM
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exactly. If the Boyfriend confronted the Creep, there would be only two ways to do that: Try to talk the Creep down from being creepy ("Hey man, this is not cool...") most likely ineffective; Instantly escalate violence to KO the Creep, before he has the chance to do something dangerous. Everything in between these options would be stupid and risky. You NEVER allow a situation when the potential attacker has the advantage, or the time to pull out a weapon. You NEVER fight someone in a street sit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:51 PM
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I never pursued romantic relationships, and never would. Occasionally romantic relationships pursued me, and I was too distracted by sex to resist them. If I was a billionaire, tit would be more or less the same, but the women would be prettier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:32 PM
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Freedom does not come from weird political and social gymnastics, but from practical solutions. Want reproductive freedom? Freeze your sperm and get a vasectomy. Want financial freedom? Five Flag your income, savings and investments. Want legal freedom? Lawyer up. Want physical freedom? Buy property in the middle of nowhere, off the grid entirely. Want social freedom? Distance yourself from stupid, political, and easily offended people. Men are unfree because they insist to participate in the ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:29 PM
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DECIDES. Decisions have consequences. Deciding to keep a baby = explicitely agreeing to every burden possible and the worst case scenarios that come with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:21 PM
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How come the vast majority of men get laid then? Most guys have 5-7 partners in their life, not zero. Most guys get married and have children. All your male ancestors got laid. The bar must be on the floor, or humanity would literally not exist. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5795598/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 07:39 PM
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I think the stronger point is that if you are an all-around interesting guy, then you are most importantly interesting to YOURSELF: you lead a fun, accomplished and emotionally rich life. This both makes women more attracted to you, even if they are not attracted to the very things you are interested in, but also makes you LESS interested in women, because you have more important stuff to do, which ironically makes women want you more. Just a reminder, that the top physicists who worked on the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:04 AM
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if that were the case then geeks/nerds would be the most interesting people around, that’s usually not the case. Absolutely not. Typical Geek/Nerd interest are usually the most low-energy, low-effort, low-sociality, low-risk, low-gain interests known to man, almsot by default chosen to be the safest, least adventurous choice. There is a world of difference between a nerd who mastered Mortal Kombat, and a man who mastered actual h2h combat in the octagon. There is a world of difference between a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:50 AM
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But you are SUPPOSED to become interesting for yourself. I mean, do you want to be boring, and bore yourself into depression? Women are not even important in all of this, the interesting things are the goal in themselves. Once you are interesting enough women tend to just happen to you, randomly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:37 AM
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but how does that matter? Except for the rare lesbians, women do not need to seduce other women, so it does not matter what hobbies they have, if any. Complaining that most women do not try to have skills to attract someone makes as much sense as complaining that most horses are not trained veterinarians.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:30 AM
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I mean, most men have 5-7 sexual partners in their life, despite having no particular skills at getting women, and not even particularly trying, because they don't even know what to try and when. So I think the 1in10 chance cannot be far off, or humanity would be long extinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:26 AM
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the vast majority of sexless marriages are when the woman is post-menopausal, and thus biologically no longer interested in sex. Also, even if we stretch the definition of "sexless" as far as we can, only 15% of couples experience it, and only years into the relationship. The true problem, that cannot be really solved, is that male libido is so much higher than female. Even the most handsome Chads do not get laid as much as they want. not even close. So even in relationships where a woman is nea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:09 AM
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Most men get laid/ get a relationship with 5-7 women in their life, without doing anything in particular to achieve this. Im mystified by this subreddit's obsession with the idea that average men struggle with dating. Statistics do not support this: average men "only" have about 6 girlfriends in their life because they tend to be in LTRs. An average man is sexually active between 18 and 60, and usually gets married/final LTRed at 30. So really, your average Joe Schmoe, who never worked out, is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 10:01 AM
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not when you apply RL math to it. MOST men get laid/date 5-7 women in their life, the last one usually being their future wife and the mother of their children. MOST men are average, and yet most men succeed. So either physical attraction is not as relevant, or most men are attractive enough. So within the normal average, among the majority of men who are just "ok" the interesting men have extreme advantage. Moreover, interesting men are usually more physically attractive, since physical hobbies…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:53 AM
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living intensely interesting life as a man tends to put you next to interesting women. As of late, I've been working in international sales, and do mountain treks in my spare time. The women I meet through work or off-time are by default interesting, because you rarely randomly find boring women on a high-end business conference or in the middle of the wilderness. Im only a bit above average interesting as a man, and I can't remember the last time I even met a boring woman, since they tend to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:47 AM
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eh. In theory yes, but in practice it is significantly easier to get proper CICO on low-sugar, low-carb diet high in protein, because this way you can feel satiated while being in deficit. Sure you can go into calorie deficit while eating pizza every day, but that would be a really sad, tiny amount of pizza per day, that would qualify as cruel and unusual torture rather than a diet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:37 AM
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fault is irrelevant, only solutions matter. Its funny how whenever someone posts something like this, men complain in the comments about this being unfair or pointless. But...don't you want to have interesting life? I mean, even if you were gay, or asexual, or women ceased to exist entirely, you would want to achieve the interesting things OP listed anyway. Having a good, interesting life is not a punishment or a chore, but a REWARD, its more important than women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:33 AM
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Excellent post, should be stickied at the top. Some points: - its not possible, or even desirable, to try to be interesting in all the ways you listed at once, or even most of them. Believe me, I tried, due to severe ADHD I pushed all of the "interesting" traits you listed to my personal limit, and only burned out from it. The trick is: find your niche and focus on the traits you want to put EXP points into :) - physically attractive men are rarely just born with good genetics. Working out, phys…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 09:22 AM
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The issuse as always, is that there is too many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:55 PM
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Oh no, they should come to Poland and date Polish guys :) (I might have vested interest in this opinion)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:27 PM
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38, M, Purple Pill Not in abstract terms, no. I have a very specific set of skills and traits: overconfident, ADHD, talkative big guy with strongly masculine physicals (manly rather than handsome though YMMV). I attract a very specific type of women, which Im also the most attracted to (high libido confident women with strong gender characteristics. Basically Im a caveman that attracts feminine brats). So I pretty much only care if the woman in question likes Barbarian-looking dudes, because I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 08:02 PM
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This is a classic Prisoner's Dilemma: if most men agreed to cooperate it would be solved. But as long as a sufficient number of idiots simp, they ruin it for everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 04:59 PM
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Self improvement is a reward on its own, regardless of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 08:15 PM
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No it doesn't , good women are equally rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 08:00 PM
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No. Being a Nice Man is easy and free, because all it takes is avoding being an asshole. Being Good is very, very hard, and requires actual hard work, dedication, will and self-reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:27 PM
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they do not, but the point is, there is demand. Good Men, as defined by women, do not exist, because they are made of contradictory ideals. But even if they did somehow exist, it is not plausible there would be enough for every woman who wants one, again, because the traits of a Good Man make it impossible for a bigger number of Good Men to coexist. And this doesn't even cover the problem that Ideal Men would be too good for an average woman, and just break up with them (amicably I assume, since…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:07 PM
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In general, it is beneficial to EVERYBODY if women just outnumber men. 99% of the problems both genders argue about dissapear.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:07 PM
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which mathematically makes no sense, since even if Good Men existed, there would obviously not be enough for all the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:06 PM
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Nah. It takes impractically long time for the real bad consequences to set in. Moreover, women who make GOOD long term choises take themselves out of the game by definition, making the problem worse. Basically, a woman who makes bad relationship choices if going to Find Out by the time she is already to old to participate in the dating game, and dissapears anyway. Which makes it seem like the bad choices do not exist. You would have to have dozens of foreveralone Wine Aunts to know, or plenty of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:05 PM
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because they are shamed for it, even though it makes perfect rational sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 07:54 PM
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Women were never capable of accountability, nothing changed, except you are alive right now and think your times are special.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 10:20 AM
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Dating sucks due to inherent evolutionary functions of biology. Feminism and OLD just made it obvious, when it replaced functionally sexless and loveless attempted relationships with obvious involuntary celibacy. It made things more honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:36 AM
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Your assesment is accurate, but this proportion will vary WILDLY with different incomes, social classes, looks, culture, ethnicity and even outside factors like the political situation. For example, a poor, ugly Black woman from Detroit is going to have a very different experience from a rich, white woman from Norway, or from medium looks woman from Japan. Im in Poland currently, where due to the political situation, it is easier for an average looking, middle class man to find a very attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 07:48 PM
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This tradition started in the 1960s so not that ancient
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:24 PM
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then again, there is no way to think, or communicate ideas without ideology. The moment your ideas form a coherent structure that can be explained to others, its literally ideo-logy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 10:12 PM
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yeah. Statistically, overwhelming majority of women (75%) like men who are low body-fat, with lean muscle. The super jacked look only appeals to about 10% though, so there is no point in overdoing it, and in fact, it can make things worse. By far the most attractive male body (not face, it was purposely edited out) that women pointed out in these studies was young Brad Pitt's (specifically a still from the shirtless scene in Fight Club). https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/msdficl-ec004-…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:57 PM
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this is like saying that the easiest way to fix a car is with TOOLS. You say that TRP is the best strategy, but do you have any idea how little it narrows down? The umbrella of "Red Pill" covers dozens, if not hundreds of different strategies, ideologies, tactics and lines of thought, often completely contradictory. I mean, Im your stereotypical Od School PUA, Mystery-ist Red Piller, which makes my strategy pretty much 200% opposite to some of the Trad-Con Red Pillers, and I spent the last 20 ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:41 PM
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TBH, this is inevitably true of ANY ideology, save perhabs for Rationalism, Scepticism and Stoicism, and exactly the reason why those 3 are not popular, and never were. An ideology that does not work on the assumption of "extreme self-righteousness and sense of moral superiority" will inevitably be devoured by the ideolgies that do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:31 PM
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statistically over 75% of women like men with very shredded, low-fat, mid-muscle bodies, and the younger and more attractive the woman is, the more chiseled guys she likes, so it is perfectly rational for men to get ripped.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:25 PM
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it explains why female fashion sometimes goes so badly off-mark when it comes to attracting men. Women in general do not understand what men find attractive, and often overfocus on the wrong thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:23 PM
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nobody can really appeal to young men in a realistic way in this civilisation. It would take a massive, massive cultural change, on the level of the Fall of the Roman Empire, or the start of the Industrial Revolution to shake things up enough. At the very least, we need vast improvements in things like AI to basically smash the economy to bits, which in turn would undo gender roles and social contract, so that it could be started anew , possibly from chaos.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:52 PM
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through the vast majority of history, powerful minority ruled over the majority, so this is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:42 PM
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rapidly becoming the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:41 PM
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Im too libertarian to care, unless it affects our sexlife.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 08:23 PM
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Smarts are totally related to looks, countless studies prove that attractive people are smarter, and that smarter people pay more attention to their presentation. Unkempt nerds are actually a rare outlier. That's not prejudice, thats simply raw facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 05:54 PM
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yes, because its not always the case. Rarely anything is, in society. It's more of a general rule with many exceptions. since we are talking about relationships, the simplest example is: You want the best, most fascinating, exciting, cool and attractive partner you can possibly have. Objectively, it would be best for your long term happiness to be with your compatible equal instead. Society wants you to be in a relationship with someone who will help you create a useful family unit, produce chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 05:52 PM
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depends on a skill. Cooking is RMV. Poledancing skills are "hot". Also, a weird that you are trying to explain to me what is, and what is not "hot" to a dude since I am one and you are not?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:38 PM
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Men are not rational robots, we are led by emotions just like women are. The Party Girl is FUN, even if she is bad for us, objectively. The Nice Introvert Modest Conservative Girl is good for us but BORING. She is the human equivalent of broccoli. A relationship with one is as fun as watching paint dry, and sex with one as exciting as applying that paint in the first place. The point of life is not just to unobtrusively exist until you die, but to LIVE, to experience things. Good things, bad thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:17 PM
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no, the logic is, "if they have a fashion sense they are most likely to be cultured and intelligent." because this literally what fashion IS: purposely complex system of cultural signaling that is easy to fail at. Similarily, "if they are slim and fit they likely are dedicated and focused" because people do not randomly get shredded-fit out of nowhere, it takes work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:08 PM
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speaking off, I need 100$, help a bro out?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:03 PM
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Maybe Im more innocent-minded, but I always imagined this is about protecting women from I dunno, a tiger or a bear, or giving them the last lifeboat on the Titanic or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:01 PM
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sabertooth tigers, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:00 PM
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That is irrelevant. You should first and foremost protect yourself, and (if possible) children. You have no obligation to protect adults, and in most cases trying to do so makes things worse. I cannot stress that enough, most interventions ESCALATE DANGER rather than solve it. If you think an adult person is in real danger call the cops. If the danger is not big enough for 911, its not big enough for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:56 PM
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looks are an expression of personality to such a high degree that it hardly matters. Just the % of fat and muscle on a person tells you almost everything you need to know about them to make a decision. If you add things like fashion etc it becomes even more obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:49 PM
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oh we totally ARE attracted to women with skills, but we are already baseline 100% attracted to most women anyway, so it hardly seems to make us act any different. If a woman is already physically attractive, her having a cool skill or trait is overkill for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:46 PM
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can you do all 3 at the same time?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:40 PM
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Based, my dude. I have been testing that hypothesis for over 24 years now, with several different women, and it seems perfectly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:23 PM
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I don't see why this is confusing. There are: 1. Things a person wants. 2. Things that are good for the person. 3. Things that are good for the society of different persons. Numbers 1, 2 and 3 are very rarely the same things. OF COURSE someone getting what they desired instead of what they objectively need destroys them. This is a simple hedonism trap, it works on labrats, and it works on humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:19 PM
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fault? There is nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 01:17 PM
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For a lot of men, if not most, sex is the fundamental form of affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 07:21 AM
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Absolutely obviously yes to all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 07:20 AM
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by far, definitely environment. Take a trip to rural Asia or Africa. Women there are as different from US/EU women as if they were aliens.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 09:02 PM
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I would add, that the focus should be often on teaching people how to protect themselves in many ways, not on government doing it for them. Both to foster a more safety-conscious mentality, but also to achieve faster results. Usually, government protection does not come until after the tragedy occured.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:36 PM
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Ukraine has been worried about that since at least 1200s. They have been invaded by just about everybody, due to being slap in the middle of the Eurasian Road and on the most fertile land on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:34 PM
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Not exactly. I think this is more of a case of the fact that hot guys bring enough to the table with their looks that their flaws can be easier forgiven. Women make that trade off consciously. In many cases, its more fun to fuck an attractive asshole than have a lukewarm relationship with a sexually null but nice guy. Another thing is that in a lot of cases, attractive men are more confident, proactive, and win at life a bit more. Many times the guy you think of as a "Typical Alpha Male Asshole"…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:31 PM
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the problem is lack of sufficient research into human sexual behavior. We could have had this figured out by now if we kept building on Kinsey's studies which were like, 70+ years ago? We would not need Red Pill or Blue Pill, we woudl just have a Fact Pill taught in the Science class at school.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:48 PM
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The taxes will go there anyway to pay for the issues dadless people cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 08:47 PM
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the solution is to get rid of the lowest quality men, no the top quality men. Sex is not a human right, but an achievement, if you are not getting it, means YOU suck, not that the system sucks. Sexual selection is supposed to be SELECTIVE, that is the entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 07:55 PM
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vastly greater choice of clothing, in terms of form, style, but also SIZES. I swear, all the male clothing I can find seems to be made for guys who are either made of rectangles, of have pot bellies. Apparently the stores, in stark contrast to their adverisements, only cater to short dadbod dudes. The ironic part is: the clothing shown in the commercials or even on the clothing store websites is perfectly wrapped over male models with broad shoulders, flat stomach and narrow hips... and these si…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 07:22 PM
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I would love a daughter if I had one. But sons, being future men, allow me to not just be their father, but their mentor as well, in their discovery how to be a man. Some of my friends have daughters, and they mourn the moment, which comes pretty quick, when the dad cannot teach his daughter anything more, because she needs a woman's guidance. He can still love and support, but it feels like losing your child prematurely to their adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:11 PM
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nah. Both really want better accuracy: being matched with someone who is as attractive to them as they are, and has compatible personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:38 PM
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Neither, I want better Accuracy. I want the apps to have a decent set of preferences I can pick to narrow down the list. I don't want a giant list of below average women. I do not want a medium list of 10/10 women. I want a short list of 7/10 women who match my personal tastes, including tastes that turn some men off. Like, I really, really like faded-beauty skinny Goth chicks with big noses. I want someone whos into BDSM, has really dark humor and is a sarcastic bitch. I do not want a perfect B…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:35 PM
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romantic love is a nebulous concept with no clear boundaries, and nobody knows what it means. It is also pretty toxic regardless, so I would not care much about it ehtier way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:16 PM
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THe problem is not just men having low standards. THe problem is, that the average man pursues women for no logical reason. Male libido has been falling since the 90s. Relationship satisfaction as well. Men chase after women, despite the fact that they are barely attracted to said women, and don't enjoy the relationship at all, or very little. Its not that men want women, its just cultural inertia that a man is "supposed" to have a GF/Wife, even if there is zero reason to have one. IMHO, most me…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:33 PM
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women have far, far, far lower libido than men so it is completely possible for a woman to love her man and not be attracted to him, or at least not enough to have regular sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:26 PM
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and its not like there is an other option. If a guy is an unattractive Beta, then his options are either being settled for or lifelong celibacy, there is no magical alternative solution. Similarily, If a woman cannot land a man she is attracted to, what is the solution? Either settling or celibacy. We cannot magically make all people attreactive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:19 PM
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From personal observation, it is quite rare for women to actually follow AFBB. From what I see, some women chase the Alpha as long as they realistically can, while others make their first Beta Buck in their teens and just jump from one Beta to another, never even fucking an Alpha. I literally had a conversation last month with a late 30s woman who specifically explained how she picked her husband, and every guy before him to be a meek and unattractive dude that novody would want to "steal". She …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:53 PM
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Cocky Good Guy with some lazy confidence and Daddy Alpha vibes thrown in.
/r/seduction18/10/24 09:06 PM
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Poor self control, lack of goals aside from getting a girl, artificially low self worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 11:42 AM
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Who cares? Just defocus from women and focus on yourself. There is no benefit in simping, ever, because the effort always outweights the gain, no matter how attractive the woman is. Either she finds you attractive as you are without you simping, or not, and the situation is hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 11:03 AM
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Prosocial men cluelessly stumble into relationships with no relation between their efforts and rate of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:40 PM
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Prosocial men cluelessly stumble into relationships with no relation between their efforts and rate of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:39 PM
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Half of the problem is men having too low standards and simping too hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:09 PM
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I would have no problem with that, though the idea of them masturbating would likely make me horny anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:28 PM
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Im not sure why you need to separate interests and goals, these are the same things depending on intensity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 07:22 AM
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Sure and some do. But this doesn’t benefit women other than escorts. Given how easy and simple sex is , and how well it motivates men, im confused why most women dont use it to basically solve all relationship problems. GOOD sex is essentially mind control over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:49 PM
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Men DO put effort in intimacy when what they get satisfies their needs and libido... which is significantly higher than what women expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:45 PM
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Just the sex, the other things you mentioned are pointless replacements.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:40 PM
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Yes, and I stand by my statement. Sexual dissapointment moves men from stage 2 to stage 3. The post itself almost explains the same thing, but narrowly misses the mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:22 PM
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99% of cases it depends on the quality and quantity of sex. Fuck the dude every day and honeymoon love never stops.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 03:11 PM
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Testosterone in men is decreasing at a steady rate, but it is unlikely to be caused by socio-cultural changes directly. It has far more to do with bad diet and lack of physical activity than social situation. Meanwhile, testosterone increase in women is negligible, and not really related to things you mention. Higher testosterone in women usually leads to higher libido, and occasionally to lady-stache, not things you described. Read actual studies OP. 99% of the problems you describe can be ulti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:18 AM
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You mean near starvation, shitty food, disease, wounds, trench foot, severe PTSD and their only sexual options being prostitutes and rape? I mean still, war vets were definitely more fit than MODERN men, but not more fit than they were before the war.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:13 PM
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feminism caused rampant obesity?? Im pretty sure thats on sugar and corn syrup, and feminists did not invent either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:10 PM
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soldiers RETURNING from war would be less fit than they were before the war... do you think a war is a fitness camp?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:06 PM
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sure, but average is not median, so it is possible for most men now to be below average, just like it used to be that most men were above average. Today, women are attracted to only about 20% of men. It used to be 80%.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:25 PM
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sure, but the effect of this is smaller, because many men are opportunists who would fuck anything with a pulse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:20 PM
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the premise is flawed. Women are not delusional in their attraction, its the quality of the men that dropped significantly. What we see as "Chad" today (masculine, muscular, low body fat, decent job, confident etc) was just normal guy until about 1970s. Kindly reminder that this was how HS boys looked like in 1962, and adult men were much more fit than that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGa6BPj3Mcw compared to those KIDS, mere boys just past puberty, most modern adult men today look like emas…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:50 PM
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The one strong argument against men being the main culprits here is that: Female Beauty Standards that women adhere to, are WILDLY out of sync with male expectations. Good 2/3 of female fashion, make-up and grooming rules are either things men do not care about, or things men actually dislike on women. If women maintained the beauty standards men want from them, then all women would look either like strippers or like Tradcon wives, or possibly some subtle combination of the two. Meanwhile, femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:40 AM
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that is true in any possible case. Statistically, dating a man is always better than dating a woman, by any metric, regardless who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:25 AM
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how would you even know this is a common complaint? Are there any studies on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:23 AM
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Good sex you can get from minority of good looking men with no strings attached - that is just not true. There is zero guarantee these men will be good at sex, or available for it. This is just pure Halo Effect in action. Men do not become better at sex, or anything else, just from being good looking. Handsome men are also not Free Sexual Service for every woman who exist; they date attractive women and have usually full calendar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:22 AM
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Then again, the % of men who truly desire filling a non-conformist role is TINY. The supply of gender-role bending men is actually arguably smaller than the demand for such non-conformist men. For example, there is so few truly Submissive men, than Domina women struggle finding a partner even for casual sessions, let alone a relationship. Career women who want to have children, but leave them with the Dad and continue to work, outnumber potential Stay-At-Home Dads by an order of magnitude. The v…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:17 AM
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Yeah, I understand that, but how does that generate PROFIT? I understand how say, a t-shirt producer can make $ selling Woke t-shirts and merchandise, but the vast majority of businesses do not gain any more clients by acting Woke. I mean, even consider Hollywood, Netflix, and other movie/TV producers. The more Woke/Feminist the movie, the less profit it generates. The profit generated from catering to Woke clients almost never makes up for the profit lost from nonWoke or antiWoke clients lost. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:31 AM
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in other shocking news, the sky is blue, grass is green, and triangles remain 3-sided. Of course you should not date (super casual hookups are allowed) when broke, because you should be focusing your efforts on becoming not-broke first. There is an old wisdom repeated by ancient forefathers and modern coaches alike: you should not try 2 separate forms of life-improvement at once. either focus on your career and finances, OR finding a partner, OR improving your health and fitness, OR improving yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:31 PM
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Hetero relationships outnumber all non-straight relationships combined around 10x times, so of course straight men would get more hate due to statistics alone. Heteros are just more visible and obvious. As for the WHY lesbian relationships fail as often, I would suggest it is the lack of "script". Straight relationships have a very clear and obvious social script to follow. Blue Pill codified. Gay men also have very straightforward relationships, due to usually matching libidos and needs. A rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 11:02 AM
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interesting. Are Lesbians swayed this way too?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 10:53 AM
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been weaponized by corporate - Im not sure what is the angle here. Corporate aggressively embracing feminism and Woke culture is something I noticed, I just don't see how this translates to actual profit, either in short or long run. Wokism and feminism neither generate profit or reduce spending in any way I can understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 10:41 AM
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that... is an excellent lesson for the straight people as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 10:31 AM
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that is obvious, because there is zero reason to date unattractive people. It defeats the point entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 03:00 PM
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The bar is super high for men's personalities: confident ambitious charismatic high self esteem excuse me? aren't those like baseline bar for being a functional human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 02:58 PM
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another thing is that the Bar is low, but the reward for crossing that bar is also just as low. A man who i barely good enough to date at all, ends up in a shitty relationship with a shitty woman, as he should. If both partners are OK with it, no problem. But I think plenty of men and women live under the illusion that doing the bare minimum will give them the same results as people who work harder on themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 02:57 PM
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another part is the bar is so low because the reward is so low as well. This is what men struggle to understand: A man who does the absolute bare minimum to qualify for a relationship with a woman, gets the absolute bare minimum quality relationship, with the absolute minimum acceptable quality partner. If a guy is OK with that, no problem. But I feel like men, and plenty of women do not understand that "what you get is what you paid for".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 02:53 PM
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I am from central Europe and visited Eastern Europe countless times. This is from first hand experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 08:57 AM
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this is mostly what Im thinking, this is some kind of low-key slut shaming, worse still because it seems to be internalized. It is as if the women in question preemptively slut-shamed themselves, even against their future change of mind. Kinda sad actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 08:34 AM
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nonsense, Diana is alive and behind it all. Wake up Sheeple!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:00 PM
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on a side note, young, undesirable guys should pursue old lonely women. That kills two birds with one stone. Older women are most likely cynical enough to understand that they can keep a guy around just with sex and food, and young men are quite handy to have around the house when a jar needs opening or a fridge needs to be moved. Same thing with race. Studies show that the least desirable race-gender combos are Asian Men and Black Women. This is a self-solving problem. If Black Women want to kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:56 PM
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of course. But ultimately most women want it. They need to eventually lower their standards, share one man with another woman, or conjure extra Chads from the Chad Dimension.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:49 PM
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this depends on what you mean by "date". If you mean consequence free hook ups then sure, you are correct. But for life long commitment, marriage and financial support, not to mention co-parenting, women eventually need some men, ANY men. Yes, some women can decide to be single, childless and unmarried forever, godspeed to them. But they are like 1%, and usually undateable for different reasons, so their decision hardly matters anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:47 PM
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literally desperate single moms who latch themselves onto rich but ugly dudes to be the step-dad/provider. Once this is no longer an option, society will panic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:44 PM
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essentially yes, though I suspect anything below 70% will cause enormous logistical issues. This of course only applies to hookups and casual dating, LTR and marriages would require significantly more men, simply because one man can fuck 2-3 women on the regular, but cannot support 2-3 households or 6 kids with different women. So in the end, most men and women will default to quasi-monogamy because there is just no other option. Society would likely benefit most of the bottom 20% of men simply …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:35 PM
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Why not? Just because someone loathes you, or is an asshole in general, does not make them wrong about facts. They CAN be wrong for independent reasons, but just because they are assholes does not mean their advice is not the harsh truth. You can learn from your enemies as much as you learn from friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:00 PM
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Male scarcity specifically leads to women date absolute ugly pigs and manchildren, or even outright abusers, this is very well accounted for in post-Soviet countries. It also leads to Chads going completely berserk and never settling at all. Just ask any woman from Ukraine, Russia, Armenia etc. The Husband Service idea is impossible due to logistics. We actually live in an optimal age for it to happen, with OLD being so popular, and it still fails. I've been a Chad for nearly 20 years, and from …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:20 PM
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herbivores are compatible with women - in what way? A herbivore man will neither provide financially for her, nor excite her sexually, nor even offer social companionship due to being an ultra-introvert recluse. Not only women do not get any benefit from herbivore men, they do not even have that many opportunities to interact with them. What do you expect women to do, knock on the door of random houses and demand herbivores to come out?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:07 PM
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and still, most men have 5-7 sexual partners in their life, and the vast, vast majority of men eventually became husbands and fathers. This basically means that even the very much below average men get laid eventually. Most likely with below average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:23 PM
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we need to bring back the idea of all-male monasteries. Maybe not religious ones, but secular? let the bottom 30% of men go away and live in all-male frathouses forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:20 PM
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the argument still holds. IF ugly men, that women only settle for when there is no other option refused to be settled for, them marriage and motherhood essentially becomes impossible for millions of women. Romantic sense and functional sense are connected: today's Boyfriend is tomorrow's husband, dad, the guy who brings inthe money and mows the lawn. Take that guy away, and the system crumbles, unless millions of women decide to be semi-celibate, childless or join a harem as a side chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:09 AM
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not immeidately, but ultimately, sure they would care. The entire datign system is interconnected. If ugly men removed themselves from the picture, then the average men would have more women to pick from, basically turning them into mini-Chads. Actual Chads would be just overwhelmed. This would become 10 times worse for women in marriage age, because there would literally not be enough bachelors even if women became completely non-picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:06 AM
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ugly men provide so much more than Chad does, so they would be missed for different reasons. Money, marriage, stability, children with a father present, if ugly men are gone, then all of this becomes substantially harder to get. No ugly men in the picture basically means that average men not only can, but MUST become as picky as women are, and Chads would be flooded beyond their capacity to deliver.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:02 AM
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History disagrees. When millions of Soviet men died in wars, and later when millions of young Soviet men were conscripted to mandatory military service, the Soviet dating scene transformed completely, with women chasing men in absolute desperation. This trend STILL continues in Armenia, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Latvia, even long after the fall of the Soviet Union. There were entire periods in the history of South America or South-East Asia when so many men died in wars that countries would o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:59 AM
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which was the best thing ever! Finally we buried the silly, gimmicky parts of PUA and focused on invisible, stealthy, inconspicious stuff like Natural Game, Social Game, and charisma development, which are not as "flashy" as what old PUAs did, but just as effective and lead to better long-term results.
/r/seduction27/03/24 09:07 AM
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Game was essentially solved by the time RSD and Tyler got it going, and by the time Laruina retired, we got all kinks ironed out. There is zero need to reinvent the wheel. The answer all along was the one we did not want to be true, but it is: the key to having lots of sex with a lots of hot women is good Inner Game that translates to stealthy, inconspicuous Natural Game. All the mASF-era PUA gimmicks were just training wheels, until we figured out the actual hardcoded rules for inner game and n…
/r/seduction27/03/24 09:05 AM
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I kinda disagree. The controversy actually helped optimize the Game. The most sexist, over-the-top and plain silly parts of the PUA teachings got truncated, and more focus was put on slow, foundations-based Inner Game and its outcome, Natural Game. And it works. Modern PUAs are so stealthy and "Natural" that they are essentially invisible, despite being more successful than the ancient Peackocking Dudes, which was the point all along.
/r/seduction27/03/24 08:54 AM
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more importantly I think, the secret of the "Game" was essentially solved by the time they retired, so there is little more they can contribute? It was obvious that we will achieve optimal and pragmatically sufficient Game Theory sooner or later and we did, case closed.
/r/seduction27/03/24 08:50 AM
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More importantly, the "Game" the PUAs were trying to decode was finally cracked. Modern seduction techniques are so refined and streamlined that they are basically invisible and nothing to Field Report about. To nobody's surprise, the key to the game is internalizing well designed Inner Game, then externalizing it as subtle Natural Game. We did it, it works, case closed, no need for PUA anymore.
/r/seduction27/03/24 08:40 AM
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No, it is a good sign, actually. These men were celebs because PUA was still in its infancy, they were basically social alchemists, mad witchdoctors who tried all kinds of different things to work, and plenty of those were silly, over-the-top or plain useless. 20 years later, we got seduction down to science. It started with Tyler Durden and went from there. PUA technique was broken down to finest particles, analyzed thoroughly, field-tested to death and optimized to the most streamlined, simple…
/r/seduction27/03/24 08:34 AM
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But this is not what MistyMaisel wrote about. THe way I understand her, its that they make a vow to not fuck random dudes, even if later in the night they decided they want to fuck a random dude after all. I mean, if they absolutely were 100% certain they never ever ever want to fuck a random dude, then there is no reason to panic and rescue them, right? Because they will not fuck them. It feels more like what Misty is describing is that the friends prevent the woman from changing her mind about…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 08:07 AM
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Of course there cannot be a strong correlation. Men are so thirsty, and women can find sex so easily, that it does not matter if she is wearing sexy clothing, or the most modest clothing imaginable. Unless a woman is monstrously ugly, her sexual seduction success rate is going to be 100% regardless, and clothing does not make it any better. If a woman wants to find a guy to fuck, regular jeans and t-shirt guarantees her a 100% success, and the most skimpy clothing also 100% rate, since she canno…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 01:26 PM
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I think I made it clear? Our society is regretfully build on the "pay it forward" scheme, so that your parents work to support you, then you help them out when they age and support your own children to pay the "debt" you have racked with the previous generation. Of course it is unsustainable, growth always is unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 01:21 PM
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your first solution is just guaranteed inflation. Giving people money is pointless because money is not worth, worth is worth. If we just give away extra money to moms, groceries will just go up i price on the same day, and nothing changes for the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 11:49 AM
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3, obviously. 2 children per woman is just barely enough to pay-forward what was invested in her and the father of the children. Only the third child is an actual contribution, the children 1 and 2 is going out of the "social debt" the parents already incurred by existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 11:47 AM
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no you did not. Sexual Herd Mentality is just preselection by more women. It is the same thing, only on a bigger scale. Preselection is a process that accelerates itself: the more women like a man, the more other women notice, and it snowballs. Once it passes a certain number, it triggers competitiveness. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:59 AM
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Im a Slav, and disagree. its not that we are stoic, its that the general level of hardship in Slavic countries is so much higher that we just get accustomed to low-level badness. Therefore, we rarely display the "mid level" anger characteristic of say, Latino men, with us its either bored indifference to the suckiness of life, or murderous cold fury.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:54 AM
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that leaves very little room though. If male anger is acceptable as long as nobody finds them threatening, then the worst display of anger a man can do is a quiet "aww shucks!" and disapproving wince.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:14 AM
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The main problem is, we tend to discuss these issues internationally over social media, but the culturally allowed emotional displays are VERY diverse across nations, cultures, races, ethnicity and social strata. I mean, the same identical male display of anger would be considered normal in Russia, everyday entertainment in Brazil, horrible faux pas in Holland and literally impossible in Finland. About a half of our planet thinks men are supposed to be these emotionally invulnerable, stiff-upper…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:10 AM
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Actually pretty common, even if it makes little sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:05 PM
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That also Yes, but that applies to all people, not specifically ugly chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:03 PM
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Kinda. She inherited a lot of land, I had a shitload of cash to invest in it, so it was a good financial match. But really, she is a fantastic lover, friend and a mother so im ok with supporting her. I get my money worth out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:55 PM
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Been there done that. It is fun, and leads to actual Friends with Benefits, with the friendship genuine and earned.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:51 PM
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She works part time for fun and pocket money, but prefers to stay at home and do wifey and mommy stuff. I think the kinda 1950s submissive tradwife life gives her a sense of safety? Interestingly our relationship started pretty liberal and egalitarian, she pushed for more patriarchy. She is by far the most redpilled and antifeminist woman i know, but she can't explain why.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:47 PM
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Fuck if I know, this is simply what I observed. Maybe its Nicegirl syndrome from their mom's teachings?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:18 PM
1

You should be fit and athletic anyway for Health reasons, so why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:15 PM
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Shes coquean so yeah. Her idea actually, not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:14 PM
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the thing is, with dating, most social interactions and all dating interactions are like the last 5 minutes before the big game. The "approach with logic" part was supposed to be done by HS. Your childhood, tween years and early teens where the off-season when you were supposed to train your body and mind, so that one day you would be a young adult ready for dating etc. By the time you are old enough to date and fuck, you should be done with building your personality fundamentals, and most of yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:32 PM
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This is historically inaccurate: since the dawn of civilization, women were over-valued, and men undersexed. We are actually at peak sexlife for men. Its not "modern" culture. It is just culture. Consider that throughout history, men would be so desperate, so mired in helpless incel status that they would go to war, launch crusades, jihads, viking raids, and sail across oceans to get pussy, or enough money to support a wife (thus, pussy). When was the last time you had to raid a Saxon village an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:20 PM
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maybe not to you, personally, but those things have common appeal, especially if they take zero effort to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:14 PM
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Im in similar situation to yours. I noticed that the men I know who struggle with this, including myself, are all "hypermasculine" types: big, muscular, hairy, Conan-looking mofos blessed/cursed with too much testosterone. I had a few friends who were all of the "Twilight" handsome type, skinny-twinky fucking elves, and they all get married right after their fuckboi years. The barbarian looking hulks? All single or cycle through breakups and divorces. ts like women want us for the dick/excitemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:12 PM
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Which in turn makes the fuckbois even more fuckboish out of sheer desperation, which makes women fuckzone them even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:06 PM
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Men that have the ability to sleep around and do so typically have kids and cause broken homes. Maybe lowest social status men, but the vast majority of fuckbois in society know how to use a condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:04 PM
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I am that man. I was a tremendous Chad through my 20s and this crippled my ability to form a stable relationship in my 30s. It was not until I found a woman who was 100% on board with an open relationship that I could fall in love and start a family, because I knew without a doubt that I would be incapable of monogamy. Also remember, that in most cases men hit the Wall too, eventually. Nature had been kind to me, Im still relatively good looking at 38, but nowhere near my college years level. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:59 PM
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OTOH, there is a hidden danger here. One I have seen and experienced on my own as well. If a low value man manages to land a hot babe by sheer accident (as I did in my youth) it might cripple his drive to improve himself. It makes him believe he already "deserves" hot babes in the future, not understanding that the first one was just random luck. Unearned confidence then prevents real improvement, and thus real earned confidence from forming. Thus, IMHO, a guy should try to go for a hot babe ear…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:50 PM
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Men have absolutely zero reason to pursue a friendship with an unfuckable ugly chick. BULLSHIT. Just the few benefits from friendzoning ugly chicks I got: they bake you pies they bring you diners/lunches (especially casserole stuff for some reason) they help you with shopping they buy you thoughtful gifts (arguably better researched than if they were your GF/wife) they talk shit about your exes they take your side in arguments emotional support if you need it they give you compliments and ego bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:44 PM
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acting confident and having good muscle definition is usually enough. The bar is actually pretty low, most men are found attractive by some women some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:34 PM
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I would strongly disagree with your points 1 and 3. Most men have female friends, work-friends and acquanitances that they find completely unattractive, but not necessarily to the point of being repulsive. Just unattractive enough to not register as "female". This is especially true if there is an age gap. I have seen and experiences countless examples of post-Wall divorced Karens lusting after hot young guys at the office, with absolute zero chance of reciprocation. The Young guys would shamele…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:32 PM
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I see no reason why women would not find themselves in FZ. I accidentally friendzoned coworkers on two separate occasions. Both were super nice, good friends and kind women in general, just too overweight for me to find them attractive. Both had crushes on me, which I needed to dodge with some social aikido and purposeful obliviousness. My guess is that plenty of women are in the FZ, and the vast majority of them are quietly suffering, shy, introvert fat girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:25 PM
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This is entirely correct, but I don't see how this should only apply to inexperienced men. ALL men and ALL women should be doing this. It would be pointless to do otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:07 PM
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Its impossible to say, because "hurt" can take many forms. For example: if a woman verbally abuses a man for 10 years, and on the tenth year the man snaps and abuses her physically, which one is "worse"? "Nice" can have many forms as well. Lets say you have a married couple. The man is a gruff, angry, mean-spirited asshole to his wife, but he supports her financially, takes care of her, and caters to her every need and whim. The wife is always cheerful and nice to him, no matter how awful he is,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:45 AM
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Im just saying that there is no general trend, just an illusion of one, because we are talking about different sets of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 02:38 PM
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can=/=should.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 02:35 PM
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Its more like men CAN age like wine if they take care of themselves, women have much, much harder time doing the same, even when they do everything optimally. If you take a rando woman and man, hell, even make them twins, and put both of them through an insane regimen of skincare, fitness, gym, healthy diet etc, then by 40 the man will look better. You cannot beat fundamental stuff like the differences in hormones, muscle thickness, skin thickness etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 02:33 PM
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the Wall keeps moving as you get older. At 38, I feel like women can be fine up to 40, easily. In fact, I feel like there is a "bottom wall" and women under 22 are too childish looking to be attractive, with heir baby-fat faces, zits, greasy hair and "deer in headlights" look on their faces as if their IQ was in double digits at most. Peak female attractiveness is around 27-33, and there are Walls on both sides of the math here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 02:29 PM
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its funny how you ALMOST got the correct answer yourself, yet managed to throw your own reasoning off the cliff at the last minute. Obviously, people are often extremely unhappy in relationships, but do not have the guts to be alone, even if they would be happier alone. The divorce rate proves that. Sucky people suck, and relationships cannot unsuck your sucky personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 01:55 PM
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this is a typical Lumping Bias: The women who "shop" for men online, and the women who "shop" for men IRL are simply not the same women. There is no hipocrisy or discrepancy here, just two disjoint sets of people who have nothign in common except the shape of their genitals and being called "women". NAWALT guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 01:52 PM
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Same here. Im already done with all the "milestones" of being a successful man: already build a house, sired sons, planted a tree, successful career. All I need is pussy, and not even in great abundance, I'm fine with quality over quantity. Therefore, there is absolutely zero benefit in simping or dealing with BS for me. Ironically, I get laid more than when I was consciously chasing women. Makes absolutely no sense, yet thats how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 01:28 PM
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In plenty of countries, the sheer difficulty of men getting the custody of their kids basically means that a single dad must be a man of means and capability, or he would not be a single dad in the first place. Which automatically means a single dad has a potential to be a catch, at least from Betabux perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 01:23 PM
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another Dad here, abso-fucking-lutely. Who in their right mind would be looking for a step mom for their kids, if getting rid of the original mom was such a battle? My kids and my GFs are separate worlds, and nobody would benefit from mixing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 01:20 PM
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A Dad here: Short answer: Oh, Hell naw. Long Answer: Oh, Helllll Naaaaw. My kids are MY kids. I'm not looking for a stepmom for them, I'm looking for a woman to spend time with while kids are away. There is no good reason for these two worlds to mingle, except absolutely casually. There is a very little chance that a woman I'm dating just so happens to be a superb mother potential who just had no luck actually becoming one, and unless she is some kind of natural talent parenting prodigy who love…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 01:10 PM
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I'm that man, except it was mutually agreed upon deal from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:09 PM
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with a caveat, that men are shit at guessing which strategy they should be using in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:45 PM
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curiously, its not just true for women who dated Alphas though. I saw plenty of women get "imprinted" early on by their first BF being a particular kind of a Beta dude, and they then went on dating near identical Beta Dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:44 PM
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I have it on good authority that you know fuck all at 27 and 37 as well, you just learn to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:42 PM
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I think this is unlikely, since most men experience their first crush as young boys and it is usually very shallow, and more importantly, the memory of it fades over time. It is possible that some past love might become their most important one, but this is unlikely to literally be their first.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:40 PM
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Argue, yes, complain? No. The difference is, whether or not you believe this shit matters, or is just your random hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:39 AM
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besides, nobody FORCES these men to settle. They can just go on enjoying their good lives of an attractive and put-together man until they die of old age and never settle at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:37 AM
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those are not related to dating though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:35 AM
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why are men desperate though? Pussy is not necessary for survival. Sure it is fun, but so Is, I dunno, soccer, or fishing. There is no obvious benefit from a relationship, aside from sex, and even sex is often of dubious quality, rare quantity, and can be purchased separately. I see guys go desperate about trying to find a GF, without ever stopping to thing WHY do they need one, and what is so particularly good about having one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:30 AM
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plain looking girl =/= plain looking woman. Girls are almost by definition more attractive due to youth. An average female human being is likely 35+, overweight and saggy, because averages for humans are a wonky bit of math: outliers can play merry hell with it. Besides, the more average woman is, the more likely she is to be married and a mom, if not at least in a relationship, because outlier women are more likely to be single (willingly or unwillingly). Moreover, women benefit from averagenes…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:24 AM
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average plain looking woman =/= average plain looking man, because women are not men. It is silly to expect otherwise. It would be like claiming that average horses should eat average-long grass, or that roads should have exactly as many left and right turns.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:16 AM
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so? This just proves that attractiveness levels for men and women are different, which makes perfect sense. Men are not women, and (most) men do not date other men, so we should not expect these levels to match at all, maybe only by random chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:12 AM
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most women choose incorrectly by choosing thugs just how many thugs do you think are out there? A billion??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:10 AM
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If a man is struggling to find women, instead, I dunno, doing just about ANYTHING more productive with his life, then I doubt he is particularly valuable. By the same logic: I used to struggle with mu house plants dying on me. I don't struggle with this anymore, because I just tossed them out and bought a decent looking fake cactus instead. Looks good enough, and I can focus on things that actually matter. Yet, I do not go on PurpleFlowerpotDebate to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:08 AM
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why should these men care? Better, how do these men even KNOW about that toxic drama? Don't they have better things to do than to trawl the bottom of social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:01 AM
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nobody should be putting effort in dating itself, that's silly. Humans should be putting effort into becoming the best version of themselves, and happy dating is beneficial side effect of becoming a well-rounded individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:59 AM
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and just as weird, men complain about having to self-improve in order to get women, as if self-improvement was some kind of severe punishment, and not, you know, an enjoyable experience that makes one life objectively better. Like: "How unfair! Now I have to be a healthy, fit, athletic, social, financially stable and well dressed individual! The horror!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:56 AM
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it is also not necessarily important, so it evens out. Who cares if dating most women is difficult, if dating the same women also has limited utility?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:50 AM
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You are not forced to self-improve to please women, you are supposed to self-improve for your own sake. Yes, every woman wants a guy who is smart, fit, muscular, kind, social, rich, happy and well dressed. But guess what, you SHOULD be all those thing for your own benefit, even if women did not exist. Gay guys strive to be those things to. So do asexual guys. Hell, even celibate Shaolin monks do push-ups. It boggles the mind that motherfuckers can complain like "Women still don't want me, so I g…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:40 AM
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raising children and maintaining a family shared household shared goals and passions being each other's main sexual partners as for the current relationship: she inherited a lot of land, I'm flush with money but needed cheap land to invest in, it was a match :) But why a Girlfriend specifically, not a Wife? We talked it through from all possible angles, and the necessary Prenup conditions each of us wanted could be met more easily with a standard civil law contract than with marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:20 AM
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also, people with ADHD, which are more numerous than most realize, can switch between hardcore introversion and extroversion depending on circumstances. Put me in a low-key social gathering with a handful of people who pay close attention to one another, and I would be crushed with shyness. Release me at a party with 50 strangers and Im Charisma King. Public speech to a room of strangers? Bring it on. Small talk with a coworker?- please end my suffering. Flirting with a girl I just met? Easy! Ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:28 AM
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but you need to ask yourself the opposite question: why would someone WANT to date an introverted, socially awkward man with a history of mental trauma? Unless the man is actively taking steps to become more extroverted, more socially fun and overcome his traumas with sheer willpower and drive, then dating one is basically being their therapist. Nobody is qualified to do that, not even actual therapists. Just because a shy introvert would want to be loved, does not mean he should be loved. The o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:20 AM
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you don't literally date your work friends (for legal safety reasons, if nothing else). You date friends of friends. Sure, maybe your workplace is a sausagefest, or a clamfest. But your work buddies have sisters/brothers, and opposite sex friends, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:14 AM
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IMHO, the "semi-cold" is the usual norm. Like, you're not dating your best friend's sibling or some such, or a friend of a friend whom you known for years, but rather just vibe well with an acquaintance of an acquaintance that is kinda-sorta close enough to be your "in-crowd" but distant enough that you know little about them, and there is little social issue if your interaction fails. Most people I ever dated were people I would have mutual FB friends with, or maybe recognize them enough to say…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:12 AM
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if anything, learning social skills very well can be easier for an introvert, who can just practice them with clinical detachment. Extroverts care a LOT about their social interactions, and take it badly if they fail at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:05 AM
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books generate a very, very different mental architecture than social media or video games. By their very nature, books are not instant gratification nor allow for constant dopamine hits (unless you read porn haikus or something?) but encourage delayed gratification, long mental focus, vivid imagination and increase your vocabulary. Worst case scenario, a voracious book reader would become exceptionally verbose and a bit pretentious from that. Social Media addict would become the exact opposite,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:03 AM
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then what communities do you mean? The Amish?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:58 AM
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I would also add Methods of Rationality (or, for younger kids simply: "Good Thinking Class") to teach basic logic, overcoming bias, and most importantly, spotting sophistry/illogic in the things they are told/read etc. Consider this kiddie example: All Fruffles are Druffles. All Druffles are Cruffles. Are all Cruffles always Fruffles? Most kids fail to answer it correctly at first. But they learn it easily. The problem is, millions of adults cannot solve this kind of a riddle, hence why they mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:54 AM
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the question is, how likely is that threat to actually materialize? Lets say an average man, warts and all, went on 100 dates with different women: how many times would he actually suffer from a negative social media campaign that could threaten his livelihood, reputation, or freedom? (nevermind his sense of self-worth?) I feel like a threat of this threat is more felt than the actual threat. This is a bit like the with he MeToo movement, where accusations outnumbered the actual sexual misconduc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:25 AM
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As it should be. What is the actual benefit, for women and for society to do otherwise? Also, please do not confuse introvert and nerdy, and neither with lack of social skills. a man can be an introvert with great social skills and game (just used differently than an extrovert would) a nerd can be a hyper extrovert with, or without social skills introverts can be popular and liked Also importantly lets not put nerdiness, intelligence and introversion into one bundle. The Hollywood stereotype of …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:16 AM
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especially since a person's most controversial opinions are usually the most "theirs", while the polite opinions are things they do not care much about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:00 AM
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around 30-40, men either got everything they wanted from life or accepted they won't get it, either way, no reason to sweat it. The "Midlife Crisis" men are accused of is basically dudes realizing they can totally do whatever they want, because they have little to lose anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 07:53 AM
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no, I firmly believe all people are exactly equal, for example, you and I are just smart as Einstein and can run as fast as Ussein Bolt.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 07:41 AM
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Im confused. Is Chad not MADE OF the checklists? handsome? Check tall? Check. Confident? Check.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 07:34 AM
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you misunderstand: men do not need to want ONE partner, therefore there is no need to be hypergamously selective for that ONE partner to be perfect. We still want a better partner than a worse one, but more preferably we would want both, and not need to chose at all. If you do not need, or do not want to "pick one" but can or want "pick all" it is not effectively hypergamy, it is quite literally poly-gamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 03:00 PM
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yes, and such polity will be subsumed by another, again increasing hypergamous competition by bringing different people together. Polities are temporary affairs after all. They are supposed to be out-competed. If anything, higher technology makes this competition safer, because civilization depends on the masses of the "losers" of this game to lesser and lesser extent, and cannot be held hostage by them against hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:48 PM
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yes, so? In the vast majority of human societies, there is little benefit for a man to be hypergamous rather than henogynous or polygynous (or at least attempt to)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:43 PM
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this is quite literally what every society with limited breeding mobility experienced, be it ancient India, Sparta, or medieval France. If you disallow people to "marry up" they just compound preexisting traits, be it genetic, cultural, or social. Hell, look at the Hapsburgs, the ultimate imperial dynasty that disallowed any women from marrying up to it if they are not already on the same social level. They ended up being massively inbred, disfigured and insane. Hypergamy is actually what PREVEN…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:15 PM
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that makes no sense, the standard is for the man to BE Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:03 PM
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why? the higher the standards, the steeper the selection, the steeper the selection, the quicker the evolution (genetic, social, cultural, even economic). The quicker the sexual evolution the more likely the species will survive changing environment, because favorably traits are hardcoded faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:01 PM
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thats a fine sentiment to have, but it fails under any kind of practical scrutiny. If people are not identical, then they are different in their shared traits, and if they are different, the differences make them unequal. There is nothing to be equal about if you are different in practical traits. People can be equally smart, or equally tall, or equal in any other value we care about, but not equal in some abstract contentless value.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:54 PM
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men are henogynous (desire multiple women but prefers one the most) not hypergamous. Male hypergamy would only make sense if men got pregnant and women not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:41 PM
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notably though, the higher up the chain you are, the less it hurts to settle, because the difference between you and the person you settle for are mostly irrelevant. Settling hurts at the bottom most, at the top its a faux pas at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:39 PM
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Practically if only men 'dated down' then the best women and worse men would be perpetually single. Best women could not be perpetually single, as long as the absolute financial, political and social top of the planet are men. Ultimately, even a multimillionaire 10/10 supermodel woman with 3 PhDs can marry a billionaire. Other than that, this effect is the main feature not a flaw. Worse men are SUPPOSED to be weeded out, and women are SUPPOSED to try to date up, that is how we achieve genetic, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:37 PM
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given that marriage rates are drastically falling, the divorce rates do not, and population is not growing either, this too will end soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:31 PM
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what both sides fail to realize, is that while hypergamy is rampant and natural (and even beneficial to humanity, I would say), it is also extremely hard to realistically achieve in any meaningful, and observable way. Most women don't achieve a "hypergamy success" bigger than a statistical error because there is simply no room at the top for them. Sure, every gal dreams of a handsome, nice, intelligent, generous, funny, preferably rich and well liked man to sweep her of her feet, but chances of …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:28 PM
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its impossible for earnings to be inflated in a market economy. What you are witnessing is the companies using more roundabout strategies to earn money (ex: a company publicly known to be woman-friendly gets more clients, therefore overpaying women is just a PR investment that pays back, not earnings inflation).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:21 PM
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but that is not hypergamy, because being equal to his partner, normally social and respected is not higher status, it is the absolute level 1 status of normally existing. Hypergamy exists, but lets not confuse hypergamy with refusing to date the undateable bottom of society (no matter how big the bottom is). All analysis breaks down if you overfocus on outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:16 PM
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its not that difficult to understand, if we allow that humans are no different in this regard than other social animals. Broadly put, females risk the most from breeding with the wrong male. Males gain the most from spreading their seed to every female. Females need some way to guestimate the quality of the male before allowing themselves to be impregnated, because the wrong choice can even lead to their death, or the death of their offspring. This judgement can take many forms, from observing m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 01:11 PM
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you contradict yourself with the last sentence. Obviously literal hypergamy is real, just hard to achieve, hence why women WANT to act hypergamously, just fail to achieve it. This is natural process, same as men failing at polygyny despite their desires. It must be so to allow sexual competition, and thus evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:56 PM
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No, because men are not hypergamous. It would make zero evolutionary sense. Sperm is cheap as dirt. Men are naturally inclined to polygyny (or to be precise, henogyny). Focus on one main partner (at a time), but opportunistically spread the seed wherever. There is no settling, because there is little to no gain in male monogamy, other than temporary boost to child rearing. Hypergamy in men would only made sense if men got pregnant, like male seahorses.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:52 PM
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women have unrealistic beauty standards Study after study shows that women have perfectly achievable beauty standards. Men who have bodies within standard health parameters for their age get laid, date, and married all the time. Average man has about 5-7 sexual partners and goes from one relationship to another with little time in between. The more precise way to put is is that women have realistic beauty standards, but men fail to measure even to those (obesity being the main culprit).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 11:49 AM
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Societal influence is partially taken from social media they consume- Tinder, Bumble, Instagram, Tik-Tok, all these sites are loaded with videos and pictures of hot tall men. This only applies, partially, to maybe Western women aged 15-25, possibly up to 27, and does not explain the entire rest. The more reasonable explanation is that hypergamy is natural and commonplace, and the mean male quality dropped. Do an experiment: see a picture of men at the beach from 1950s and today. Yeah. Your Grand…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 11:44 AM
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Important thing to consider, that Hypergamy is actually a GOOD thing. Stop your angry gut reaction for 5 seconds and think. What would the world look like, really look like, if there was no female hypergamy? It would be absolute fucking nightmare on steroids. If you think lookism is bad now, imagine a world where, due to the lack of "sexual mobility" hypergamy causes, looks become the new caste, or rather a bueauty appertheid. no hypergamy means that women would pretty much always default to men…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 11:27 AM
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it can be both. at the incredible population numbers we talk about, individual preferences, which would be unpredictable on their own, morph into sort of Brownian Motion of the dating world. Consider also, that for a large percent of the population (Id say bottom 30% of men, and bottom 5% of women) romantic feelings and preferences do not matter as much, as they do not have any options to chose from. Their options are 1-absolutely nothing, or 2- whatever partner wants you, even in the slightest …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 10:25 AM
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Women are NOT supposed to be attracted to averageness, thats not how sexual selection works.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 05:14 PM
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That too of course
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 05:07 PM
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"Essentially, don't be obese" - in some countries this alone removes about 1/3 of women from your dating pool. Not dating obese/overweight women is rational choice, but not easy one, and not one to improve your prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:11 PM
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because countless young men are not only sub-optimal, but sob-optimal in niches that women don't even know or care about? I mean, an ugly guy who plays the guitar very, very well fills a desirable niche for some women, because some women LIKE the sound of guitar, and the whole romantic memetics around it. An ugly guy who plays WH40K very very well probably does not have the same effect. And neither does an ugly guy who plays the guitar on mediocre level.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:05 PM
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not out of nowhere: male dominated fields like STEM are becoming more and more complex every year, where female dominated fields are not, and there is more of them. Since you cannot mass produce engineers, lawyers or doctors, and men do not benefit from anything else why bother? You cannot force men to get a degree in Gender Studies, nor force women to take up Engineering, so the amount of education in both genders conforms to the difficulty of each choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:00 PM
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statistically, women already abandoned the education requirement, and are on their way to abandon the wealth requirement. It happens slowly but it does. It cannot happen faster, because the male wealth requirement is what women desire to start a family, and families need 30+ years to run its full course (ie: the daughters of the mother who married a broke-ass man are likely to marry broke-ass men as well, but only once they themselves are in their early 30s). You cannot speed this process up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:54 PM
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I think you are correct, but the difference has nothing to do with rejection. The vast majority of men take rejection as insubstantial noise, not any more dispirited than a telemarketer "rejected" by the 103th client in a day. We are not hardened by rejection, we are hardened but more substantial hardships, and by masculine upbringing. It is a fact that men tend to be raised to a more stoic standard, and thus never develop the need to be more emphatic about emotional fluctuations that we are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:49 PM
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The first Cheater argument is tautologically true: a man not attractive enough to cheat would not be able to cheat (excluding prostitution.) If the cheater managed to cheat despite his sub-optimal looks, then it just means his game is better. In the end, cheating is not a very good metric of Alpha status, because it implies that the infidelity is hidden, at least perfunctorily. If a man is confident in his Alpha status then he would be honest about the relationship being open, and allow the woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:40 PM
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nobody every is loved for who they ARE since we do not have telepathy to look into another person's mind. We love people for their outward actions, words and choices, specifically those that benefit us.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:22 PM
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nah. Its small group, just visible one, due to their fetish being controversial. Also, do not mistake men who like fatties with men who have no better choice than date fatties.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:18 PM
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Niches. From what I seen IRL and on this sub, as long as a guy fits into some attractive niche that women care about, and works on it, sooner or later the niche itself will provide. Probably the most spectacular, if very little known fact is that in BDSM couples women are usually far, far more attractive than men. But since good male Doms or Subs are hard to find, any guy who can fill that role well gets laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:15 PM
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I would say women are loved even more conditionally than men. Women are just easier tolerated when unloved. Men have a tremendous capacity of being like "eh, that'll do, I guess" and accepting a woman they do not love but are not too annoyed with. This is also why it is so hard for men to answer if they are happy or unhappy in a relationship. We genuinely don't know unless the situation is extremely good or extremely bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:06 PM
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notably "what women want" is many different things, and you can fit many niches. Fittign a niche is better than trying for generic perfection. My best friend is a perfect example of this. He is short, balding, has a weird face and a funny voice. But he is also hilarious (been doing Stand-up comedy for 15 years now), relentlessly optimistic, and absolutely shreds at playing guitar (as in, make your jaw drop - level of skill). You might ask, well how many women could find a funny short bald guy wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:59 PM
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be the best version of You, but in order for that to work you need a general idea what "you" even means.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:55 PM
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There are plenty of ways men can be "shaped" and atract women. Women are tribal-minded and thus predominantly attracted to men of their own "tribe" or a niche. A gymrat girl is likely to pick a gymrat guy over a Goth guy or a shy nerd, whereas a Goth girl or a nerdy girl would make opposite choices. The men benefit most NOT from being shaped into the "generic hot guy" but into "SPECIFIC hot guy" perfect for their niche. There is no point in trying to be the Perfect Basic Chad in your city, the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:41 PM
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Women actually DO fall for their friends often enough. In fact, more often enough than they should be for their own good - and it invariably leads to Dead Bedroom situations. The trivial problem is that familiarity kills attraction. Woman might fall IN LOVE with her best male friend, but not FALL IN LUST with him, because knowing him for years she already thinks of him as a brother. Women don't want to fuck their best friends for the same reason why most women do not fuck their step-brothers - i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:36 PM
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usually yeah, but I saw it go the opposite way. Some women get excited, even horny, when competition gets fierce for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:12 PM
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Im from Poland and noticed this when thousands of young Ukrainian women arrived here, and most were looking for a guy, both for Gold-digging purposes but also out of sheer loneliness in a new country. Polish OLD scene was fucking NUKED. Local women were livid about guys hooking up with Ukrainian chicks over them, but were powerless to stop it. Its madness in here. Fuckboism gone wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:28 PM
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Im 100% certain I do not FEEL love as a discrete emotion inside me, but as actions that I undertake. I can't imagine just sitting passively and "being in love" with someone. That's a square circle idea to me. Love is what I do, not what I feel in vacuum. Conversations, sex, hanging out, shared hobbies and passions etc, this is where love happens, or rather where it is actively being done, not theoretically within my mind. Its one of the reasons sex is called "lovemaking". When I'm engaged in som…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:15 PM
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No, it is bad the other way around as well. If a totally inexperienced incel man wants a totally inexperienced virginal or nearly virginal woman, the only result is a couple of confused ignorants who do not know what they are doing, sexually, and worse, emotionally. Thats a recipe for a disaster and heartbreak, not a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 01:25 PM
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this is not that bad idea. I would also encourage selective abortion of male fetuses (the opposite of what China does) to decrease the % of men in society. Agnostic "monasteries" for incel men to take them out of society would also help.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 12:34 PM
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BluePill is just a contemporary socio-sexual affectation of the Middle Class White Westerners. Nobody else actually believes in it. Hop on a plane and go to Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe or Sth America, and see how many Bluepillers you find there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 12:32 PM
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eventually yes, but this is irrelevant, since when two attractive people who want loyalty find each other, they take each other off the market, by definition. Their being lovey-dovey with one another no longer influence the dating market, it is as if they died to moved to Mars from the perspective of the dating game.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:52 AM
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Im not talking about open relationships. Im talking about hookups without caring, or even knowing if your partner has other people aside from you. Besides, I noticed that being comfortable with open relations is directly proportional to attractiveness, because the more attractive the person is, they less they benefit from jealousy and less they have to lose from partner infidelity. Mate guarding only makes sense if you are incapable of quickly finding another mate of the same quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:26 AM
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but average women are not more likely to sleep with a Chad than a Stacy is. If a man is a Chad, he is a Chad for every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:19 AM
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genetic anomolies when most of this is coming from women having children at much older ages and people (on average) having poorer health/poorer diets/less exercise. The first factor is insignificantly tiny compared to the second. Its all about lifestyle/nutrition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:09 AM
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if this was the case in any appreciable degree, it would be impossible for old dudes to have kids. You cannot cheat evolution. If old dudes can impregnate a woman in the first place, then they are descendants of Old Dudes Who Impregnated Women, and carry the genetic safety measures that make it possible without serious mutations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:54 AM
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several reasons why male age-related fertility issues are rarely addressed: the problems you wrote about are far less serious and rarer than problem generated by old mothers old dudes rarely actually try having children in the first place old dudes who DO want to have children are very often rich and educated, and thus can use all the options related to fertility increase or conception monitoring to judge the outcome it is a self-fixing problem. Guys who become infertile with age or who have a t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:50 AM
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Im a dude in the 7-8 range, and been one for the last 15+ years. There is absolutely no point for a guy who is a 7+ to ever date women below 7. Its not appreciably easier, this is a myth. All women are more or less equally easy to get, unless we are talking of desperate 2/10 monstrosities or 10/10 goddesses. Just trawling the bars scene, I could, and did bag a 7/10 or 8/10 every weekend. But this is simply silly and unsustainable. Who in the right mind would go through the hassle and chat up a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:39 AM
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from personal experience: because literally this is what happens. I have done it, and seen it done, for over 15 years. also, from actual conversations with "Stacy" level women: they are ok with Chads spinning them, because they spin Chads as well. Both genders can enjoy this lifestyle, as long as everyone is relatively honest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:23 AM
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the problem is, that due to the obesity pandemic average person is so unattractive they cannot make their equivalent become interested in them. a 5/10 obese man and a 5/10 obese women are not a match made in heaven, they are not match at all because neither will find the other sexy, even if it would be "fair" for them to do so. This is the problem that RP fails to understand. Its not just about either hypergamy or homogamy, but simply about your partner "clearing the bar" of minimum acceptable a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:18 AM
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the problem is, that for most people their actual, objective equivalent is also objectively, actually unfuckuble. The average attractiveness level for both genders is so low, that there is just no point in trying to date your equivalent. It would be two ugly, overweight people awkwardly pretending to not be disgusted by the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:11 AM
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worrying about woman's Count is the dumbest Small Dick Energy triviality to care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:57 AM
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half of it is a problem of resource allocation. Its trivially true that nearly everyone can find their match and be happy with them, by sheer numbers alone. The problem is if you live in say, London, and your potential soulmate, who is your equivalent in looks, personality and morals, in rural Argentina. Hence why travelling is so important to finding love.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:55 AM
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nobody wants to date fat people, not even other fat people. The solution is to not be fat, or if you are, lose weight. The Dating Scene would be drastically improved if everyone decided to hit the gym and go on a diet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:50 AM
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My intuition is that the situation has not changed in the last years, even last centuries, it is simply that social media make it easier to show the obvious. The same % of men were struggling or incels since the Paleolithic, they just did not talk with each other about it, or complained online, because there was no online.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:47 AM
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so a kinda tiny, extremely specific and largely globally irrelevant group of people? Posts like this should come with a disclaimer that they only apply to American Male Zoomers, and not the remaining 4 billion men, who actually shape the global dating scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:43 AM
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Red Pill as a distinct group is obscure, but Red Pill-like ideas are essentially global mainstream. Talk to random people in Asia, Africa, Sth America and Eastern Europe, and all the men and women there will express Red Pill - like ideas as if it was the most obvious thing in the world. Blue Pill is a fantasy cooked up by Middle Class White Westerners, and accidentally spread by Euro/American media.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:40 AM
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weight is an expression of your lifestyle, which is a direct consequence of your personality. Unless you are severely underweight due to cancer, then your weight is directly your fault. You chose to eat/not eat you chose to work out/not work out. You made that choice because of the personality you have. To think otherwise means you have think you have no Free Will or control over your choices, in which case your personality is DEFINITELY a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:05 AM
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Globalization did more to promote RedPill-lite than anything else. Plenty of developing countries are nearly totally RedPilled (if, in a very specific, often tradcon way). So as people immigrate all over the world, they naturally spread their RP ideas not even aware that they are RP in the first place. Lately, I talked to a young Ukrainian immigrant woman about this. Trying to explain basic Red Pill to her was hilarious, because she was confused why I'm stating the obvious to her. When I told he…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:57 AM
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I wonder why is that even the case. The number of attractive dudes is equal, or probably slightly smaller than the number of attractive women, so who do the top men even bother to trawl the bottom? They could just spin Stacies exclusively and still have more pussy that they could realistically handle. Is this some kind of Chad Charity where hot guys give it back to the community by dating ugly women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:48 AM
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yes, and from a female perspective, an attractive man is an improvement over an unattractive man. Attractive men can pump and dump because being pumped by one is still better than dating an unattractive dude. there is absolutely no point for a woman to fuck a man she does not find physically attractive. it would give her no pleasure, it would be just uncomfortable gymnastics that leaves her totally dry vagina sore. there is absolutely no point for a woman do date a man she does not find emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:42 AM
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how is this relevant? Men are not competing against women, but to GET women. And yes, I do, unfortunately, have to deal with young tiktok/insta addicted women on daily basis. Yes, they are just as annoying as young men. But they are also significantly more assertive, capable and confident (if arrogant and vapid) and objectively more attractive. I assume that despite all their flaws they still have vaginas (that presumably young men want access to), so the game is still absolutely about these men…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:33 AM
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of course, there would be a lot of friction at first, because this kind of 3rd party Matchmaking prevents both rampant hypergamy and (to lesser degree) polygyny. People are going to be pissed at first, and even "insulted" by their matches not meeting their expectations, because plenty of us overestimate ourselves and think we are better than our objective equals. But within months this would stabilize, because common sense matchmaking would produce much better chances of matches becoming a coupl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:19 AM
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it is a solution for your country. The number of women globally is slightly smaller than number of men, so the problem CANNOT be solved globally. It is a zero sum game, unless we somehow multiply women to outnumber men, or cull the number of men. Besides, this is somethign we are already doing. Every day, you are using gas from Arabic oil, battery lithium from Asia, cotton t-shirts from sweatshops in China etc. All of those come cheap due to predatory practices. Stealing girlfriends from poor co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:12 AM
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selection bias. Men who are single dads, are men who made a series of decisions: to become a dad to end the relationship when it was not good for him or the kids to actually get custody despite the courts being against men So essentially, single dads are usually men who already wanted to be dads very much, were assertive and determined enough to keep the kids, and are actually qualified to win the custody battle. Being a single mom is what happens to a careless woman through a series of mistakes…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:03 AM
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this is really unlikely outside of some very specific demographics, as the vast majority of men love their kids, love spending time with them, and express that love through everyday care and parenting. Unlike mothers, fathers do not get any specific emotional glow from just the idea of parenthood, we enjoy the actual process of spending time with our kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:52 PM
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it is possible for a man to love his children but not want to care for them, but this is very unlikely, because men are raised to be doers not thinkers. The vast majority of men love their children and show that love by caring, in a very physical, everyday sense (from feeding and dressing them to hugging, playing with, educating etc). Single dads make more money because the people who become single dads are just more capable people in general than people who become single moms, and are also more…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:48 PM
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so?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:42 PM
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A much easier and just as smashing technology would be free reversible vasectomy for every man. make men the gatekeepers of conception to an absolute degree, while making accidental pregnancy impossible, and the market is transformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 03:02 PM
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this is unlikely, since in this scenario only men who really want kids would have kids, any other kind of a man goes extinct, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 02:59 PM
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thats pretty silly given that the vast, vast majority of men want to be dads, and statistically single men make better parents than single women. If anything, I would expect the outcome to be a mass of STAHDS and only a small number of corporate girlbosses. It amazes me how badly women underestimate the love men feel for their children, and the dream of being a Father.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 02:56 PM
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Oh, I agree, Im just pointing out that the perception of who is an "Asshole" is purely subjective. Basically, If what a man does benefits you he is a Good Guy, if it harms you (even fairly) he is an Asshole, and if it neither harms or benefits you he is just irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 02:51 PM
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If men became more selective, then women would likely become less selective. Why would women become less selective? Their subconscious desires would not change just because different set of men is available. They can always just remain single and celibate with no much issue, and wait for the top man to come around. Best case scenario, some women would settle for unattractive men, and then proceed to have near sexless, emotionally frigid relationships with them. This is what happens when women is…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 02:47 PM
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Excellent post OP. The only addition I would suggest is that plenty of the Good Masculine traits and Bad Masculine traits are THE SAME traits, simply seen from an opposite perspective. For example: If a Nice Guy is pestering a girl, and a Masculine Man tells him to fuck off and sweeps her of her feet, then the Masculine Man is seen as an Asshole by the Nice Guy, and a Hero by the Girl. Or: A Masculine Man who responds to a woman's advances is seen as Good Man by her. If he rejects her, he is an …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 02:12 PM
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If men became more selective, and women remained as selective as they are, then effectively half of society would remain single. Men do not benefit from being selective if they are not attractive, because unattractive people have nothing to be selective about. There is zero benefit for attractive men to be more selective, they are just as selective as they want, and fuck/date to their natural capacity. If they somehow became more selective for some strange ideological reason, that would just mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 02:03 PM
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Libertarian Redder Shade of Purple Piller here: literally all of those problems come from modern men sucking ass. Modern dating is not working, because there is not enough actual men to date. Over half of the males today are overweight or even obese. Huge part of them are unemployed or underemployed, severely underearning, and wallowing in learned helplessness. Im a a middle aged dude who gets to meet hundreds of young men a week for their job interviews. Most of them are fat, flabby, weak bodie…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:36 PM
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no need for fancy algorithms, you can have users play matchmaker for other users, but not be able to match themselves with anyone. Not only would that be more fair, but more exciting, because matches would surprise you. With enough users doing the Matchmaking, the matches would eventually become nearly perfectly fair, because outlier unfair matches would be drowned out by common-sense ones. Huh. It could literally be called Common Sense Dating App. Commonz? Senz?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:22 PM
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completely open up immigration for young women, but not for anybody else. That would instafix the dating world and prevent population drop.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:15 PM
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easy fix, cap the number of users who can register as "male" to not exceed those who register as "female". Pro version: The extra people who want to register as "Male" but cannot, are temporarily registered as "Matchmaker", and can match other couples, not themselves. Another fix: the bottom 1% of users with fewest matches get kicked out (this would also solve some of the spambot issues).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:13 PM
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clubs, dancing classes, parks, charity volunteering, libraries, bookstores, coffee-shops, crafts workshops, etc etc. Women make 49% of society, the planet is lousy with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:08 PM
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the problem is not with the app, but with the users. The App works correctly, it is simply that most men have no business being there, because they are not matches for the women on those apps or any women, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:06 PM
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this just hides the problem without addressing it. People would just end up stuck in lukewarm monogamies with partners they do not like or are attracted to. Ultimately you cannot force people to feel love or enjoy sex with a subpar partner, so we would end up with the same number of lonely, involuntarily celibate people, except they would all be in faux-relationships for appearances sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:03 PM
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One major change I would introduce is that self-matching would not be allowed, only matchmaking others. Basically, the app would present you with 2 profiles, one male one female and ask "do they belong together?" If >50% of Matchmakers say yes, the couple is matched and can contact each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 12:57 PM
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Fix for who's benefit? The interest of men, women and the owners of the App does not align. But for the sake of the argument, the way the Appas can be fixed: Use 3rd party matchmaking instead of self-matching. This is key. Users would not be able to match themselves with others, but judge algorithm-derived matches between strangers. Notably, how often the algorithm puts you out for matches should depend on how often and how well you match others. The initial algorithm would use facial recog to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 12:49 PM
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BTW, "sexbots" will be a thing for only a short while. The moment we have the technology to create realistic sexbots, we would essentially have the tehcnology to have all-purpose androids, at which point the entirety of human civilisation will become obsolete, including the need for sexbots. My guess is that useful sexbots will happen only 1-2 years before the Singularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:14 PM
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Im not sure. Islam conquered a big part of the world because it is very malleable. But the same malleability is what will cause it to mutate beyond recognition and dissolve, the same way Christianity is doing. My bet is that Judaism will outlast both. It is not designed to spread easily, but it is designed to last.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:10 PM
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we had thousands of collapses already and bounced back from each, usually stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:06 PM
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Plenty of times the Hopeless Romantic does NOT want the girls who hooked up with Assholes in the past, but this makes the problem of supply even worse for him. The more romantically selective the man is, the smaller is the pool of women he can date. Again, the number of women is constant. There is no extra supply of hopelessly romantic women just waiting to be discovered, so from the perspective of the Hopelessly Romantic men, every woman who decides to hoop up with a Chad is permanently and irr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:43 PM
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Of course. Dating is Free Market as long as you do not have state-sanctioned monogamy ("Pussy Socialism"). This is why the dating market has such features as; Supply and Demand (currently demand for men is low, and supply too high) Inflation (currently the "price" of pussy is artificially inflated due to heavy advertising) Bubbles and bursts, often coinciding with new dating Apps being promoted natural anti-monopoly; overconfident Chads are constantly upstaged by more hungry and clever Chad-lite…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:31 PM
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society will self correct as it always does. My guess is that the undesirability of men will slowly cause women to not want to have sons, thus changing the gender ratio in future generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:03 PM
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solution: convince older women to get themselves young men as lovers (plus, its handy to have a young healthy dude around the house, in case a jar needs opening or something).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:48 PM
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because most men are not utterly selfish cunts and WANT to help others in need? Men feel protective instincts over women even if there is no sex involved, just as they feel protective instincts when it comes to children and weaker men. Large part of turning men into soldiers and warriors is forcing them to unlearn their natural protective heroism, so that they could kill or ignore women and kids with no remorse.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:28 PM
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NGL, a DESSERT island sounds much better tho. Like a cheescake 2 miles across, with Brownie mountains in the middle, topped with icecream caps.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:18 PM
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Consider it a supply and demand issue. There is more or less equal number of men and women. If Assholes pump and dump more than their "fair share" then logically there will be not enough women for all the "hopeless romantic" men to date romantically. Of course it can be said to be a loser mentality, and it is, but it is also logically correct. Hopelessly Romantic men are the social equivalent of horse-cart makers raging against the newfangled automobiles who put them out of business. Their strug…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:15 PM
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You miss two key components: Pregnancy usually happens around 30, and is the leading contributor to women hitting the Wall, as it skyrockets fat gain, sagging and stretch marks. men have literally thicker skin, more sheer muscle mass, and testosterone to help fitness recovery, and thus their bodies fair better in the middle age. The main way human bodies look worse with age is that they sag: skin wrinkles and hangs, fat pulls it down, and loss of muscle prevents the body from keeping a more rigi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:04 PM
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part of the problem is that Ukrainian women (and other eastern Slavic women) are often RedPilled in a really common-sense way, sex-positive and relatively man-friendly. The few women from Eastern Europe I dated were the only ones who openly acknowledged hypergamy, admitted that gold-digging is an important consideration for them as well, and were straight up upfront about their opinion of me without any hint of leading me on or trying to friendzone anyone. This seems like a terrible Outside Cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 11:54 AM
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I noticed a similar situation in Poland, after the war in Ukraine sent hundreds of thousands young women as refugees into Poland. Huge part of them had Tinder accounts, and strong motivation to find themselves a Polish BF or possibly a husband. Yeah, their motivation was mostly financial/existential, and they were looking for betabux, but not all. Plenty eastern European women fetishize more Western men, about the same way as Western women fetishize French or Spanish men, and were hooking up wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 10:17 AM
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nah. 10 women on an island is drama. 100 women on an island is simply a politically volatile tribe. Social issues tend to smooth out with sufficient population, because traits tend to average out, and fringe idiots who would start drama in a small group are less relevant of the group is big.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 09:50 AM
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"focus on themselves" often means mindless, destructive hedonism as in "masturbate 7 times a day, spend the rest playing vidya and never bathing."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:30 PM
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A sexually healthy society would have mid=average, and mid women equal to mid men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 10:27 AM
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I don't exactly disagree, but remember that mid is not average, nor mid men and mid women are equal. It might have been so around 1950, but today we have a very broad and varied spread of traits. Hop on a bus or take a walk down a street. Out of the 100 people you see, 30 are going to be overweight, 10 of those obese. Others will look like underwear models of any gender. Some will have double PhDs, some would be barely literate. Ironically, very few people would have actual mid level looks, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 09:43 AM
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that greatly depends on the population and culture. Average and mid can be completely different in some places. About the only set of variables where average and mid are the same would be mono-ethnic, middle class, college educated big city corporate crowd, where everyone is relatively financially secure, relatively intelligent, and relatively fitness conscious. Move towards places where people are very rich or very poor, or very diverse culturally, and suddenly average can be much higher or muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 09:36 AM
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CAN you? IMHO, there is always some kind of ideology or philosophy behind any self-improvement, just not always something as obvious as TRP. None that it matters. If a man improves along the usual lines recommenced both by TRP and common sense (improve your fitness, finance, social skills and presentation) he will likely achieve TRP goals without meaning to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 09:32 AM
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The most the average man will be able to achieve is having a couple of low tier Beckie’s on a rotation that perfectly fine, thank you. If every man got on a level where this is possible (not necessarily actually spinning these plates, just be able to) life would be so much better for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 09:29 AM
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you can still data-mine other groups, especially those that have no stake in the game. I got plenty of useful info from Lesbian women, from old grandmas, even from an old bartender who watched thousands of guys crash and burn on approach. People who are not skilled at the game still have eyes and ears.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 09:23 AM
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eh, men should listen to women who say what they want, to data-mine their answers not to believe them. You can learn a lot listening to a woman, and paying attention to things she is NOT saying, or only hinting at, word-slips, innuendos, body language, facial expressions etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 09:13 AM
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What exactly is the alternative? Women are perfectly capable of giving honest advice, but the men who need such advice are unlikely to take it from anyone, let alone from a woman. Consider what would happen if a struggling "nice-guy" of a man asked a woman her advice about how to get better with women, and got a HONEST answer like: "Listen dude, there is just no realistic scenario for you to find yourself in a relationship with a woman the way you are right now. Not me, not any other girl. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 09:08 AM
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Meaning people in the west aren't just gonna wake up tomorrow and say bye bye women's rights. eh, I would not cross that off the list of possibilities either. Any kind of serious crisis (like say, food and water shortages due to Global Warming) can potentially cause country-wide riots which would effectively end women's rights by collateral. If a mob of angry men is ruling the streets, half the city is burning and cops are nowhere to be seen, nobody has any rights, women included.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 08:34 AM
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except Henry Cavill. I think 100% of women agree he is bangable. Most men agree to, if they have any taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:56 PM
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Because 99% of the things men do to get women, are things that are useful in themselves: being fit and muscular is attractive, but guess what, it is also SUPER important to your health, and your emotional well-being. Physical activity is one of the best sources of serotonin. being rich is attractive, but guess what, money can also buy you all sorts of happiness, as well as pay for your security, health and peace of mind learning social skills can help you "game" women, but also it helps you "gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:23 PM
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the vast majority of BP i met had not done even the bare minimum of self-improvement. They do not even try to meet the bar of being a functional human being, let alone an attractive man. My advice to men like that: Drive your nice but sensible car from your relatively way paid workplace to your relatively nice apartment that you personally own/rent. Once home, take of your shirt and look up your relatively noticeable sixpack in the mirror, before heading out and meeting with your small, but clos…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:06 PM
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All that still frames the problem as Men vs Women, in which we somehow need to save Men (as some plural, nebulous group). That completely goes against the exclusive, meritocratic natural selection that shaped men to be men in the first place. Thats like re-framing the Olympics so that everybody gets a medal, regardless if they come first or last in the race. If we changed the social and economic circumstances you described, that would move the entire level of socio-sexual circumstances for all m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:50 PM
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I disagree. Yes, hypergamy is slowly rising the standards. But at the same time, average men fall in quality FASTER than standards are rising. Its not the top that is escaping, its the bottom that is falling. Even if women somehow lowered their standards, even if they somehow entered hypogamy instead of hypergamy, man men would still fall short of even the lowest bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:30 PM
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What about them? If you are asking, you are missing the point. The only way masculinity can work, is when a man achieves a good, happy life via his own achievement (which might, or might not include women in his life). Crucially, failure must remain a real risk, and there should be no outside help. Man's self-worth can only be achieved by pulling himself by his own bootstraps. He either succeeds or dies trying. The greatest mistake Manosphere makes is trying to help men in such situations, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:11 AM
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IMHO, telling men to just dead-drop their pursuit of women and focus on themselves does not work. The result is not a happy and accomplished man, but a smelly half-mad recluse who just shattered his own world. You need to "wean" men off of women. First, make them believe that self improvement will get them laid (occasionally it even might!). Then let them internalize the feeling that Self Improvement is actually fun, even if they are not getting results with women just yet. Then, finally, once t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:02 AM
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I wonder, who is exactly telling men that being "A Good Boy" would get them pussy/girlfriends? Aside from Grandma, pretty much no woman ever holds that opinion. Ask any woman what kind of a man she wants, and they say things like: strong, tall, masculine, interesting, honest, etc, not just nice. This idea does not come from Mothers: they insist on their sons to be responsible, conscientious, hard working and useful, not exactly Nice. Nice does not win you points with Mom. Neither does it come fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:46 AM
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IMHO, the main damage Manosphere causes is that it presents the issue as Men vs Women, whereas in reality it is Men vs other Men to gain access to women. The theoretical end-goal of the Manosphere movement is some kind all inclusive, egalitarian Pussy Socialism for all men, which is ludicrous, impossible and would be a nightmare if attempted. Masculinity is borne out of competition and achievement, it must be exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:30 AM
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something can be true AND net negative at the same time. Truth: the bottom 20% of men are in near hopeless situation. Also truth: they are still better off trying anyway than outright quitting, as long as the "trying" part is a form of self improvement. Like, consider. 99.9999% of all boys who play basketball will never be in the NBA. But it is still better for the coach to give them false hope, because at the very least practicing b-ball will help them stay more fit, and learn teamwork. Same wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:24 AM
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However, the main reason why breakups/divorces/end of relationship makes people unhappy is the sense of loss. A sense of loss which happens because they were not sufficiently happy by themselves in the first place, so the loss hurts them in a significant manner. Happy people find it easier to start relationships, because happiness is attractive, but also find it easier to survive the end of a relationship with their happiness and self-worth intact, because they were internally happy at all times…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:03 AM
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tapping into the brain region does not require understanding of women. In the vast, vast majority of cases you do not need to understand another person's inner mental workings to interact with them. Its less "why is she acting that way, and what exactly is she thinking?" but more "when she is acting that way, what should I do/say?" If a woman is obviously sad and upset, does a man really need to investigate the depths of her inner psyche, and discover the subconscious truths in there that even s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 08:53 AM
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Of course, you can be sexually frustrated AND accomplished, but it is less likely. Large part of the frustration is not really sexual (masturbation would solve it easily) but being frustrated by the lack of emotional fulfillment. Of course, even 1 minute consideration would make a man realise that looking for women to satisfy his emotional fulfillment needs is a terrible, stupid idea. If you calculate Mg of Serotonin / Watt of work you achieve by pursuing women for happiness it is as efficient a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 08:34 AM
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the wall could be anywhere between 30 and 60, it heavily depends on the person, their ethnicity, biology, health, lifestyle, even personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:07 PM
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selective abortion of male fetuses would accomplish the same thing, and I expect it to become fashionable in the West in the near future.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:01 PM
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what kind of pump? What pressure? How many kW? Women are so hard to understand!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:59 PM
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moreover, there is really no need to understand the intimate inner working of the female mind to interact with women on everyday basis. Apply wine and tasty food to the mouth area, apply your tongue to the clitoris. For everything else, ask simple questions. That is all there is to it in the Woman Manual.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:53 PM
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why do you NEED to understand women in the first place? You do not need to be a certified ob-gyn to find the clitoris. You do not need to be an accredited therapist to hold a conversation or just LISTEN to her. Just do the stuff that is broadly known to work, and no need to worry WHY it works and how. Guys on here are obsessed with overcomplicating and overanalizing things. Women are internally complex to understand, but externally simple to interact with: listen to her, she'll usually literally…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:48 PM
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it might seem like a joke, but I truly believe monasteries solved that problem in the past. Forget for a second about the religious nonsense. Aside from it, a monastery is just a cheap communal house for intelligent incel men where they can pursue something worthwhile without being uselessly distracted by women they cannot have anyway. I think we should encourage MGTOW to take a shape of agnostic, science-oriented monasteries for romantically hopeless dudes. Being involuntarily celibate in a a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:00 PM
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but for this to be the case, both partners need to be contributing to the happiness of the relationship, which usually requires them to be happy people in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 01:54 PM
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When men talk about "sticking dick in crazy" they almost always mean BPD women, not say, severely depressed, schizophrenic or ones with Early Onset Dementia. Do autistic men like autistic women? Hard to say. Autism tends to look differently in sexes, so Im not sure this would work. The equivalent of your stereotypical nerdy Asperger male programmer is not a nerdy Asperger female programmer, but a stern Asperger female Accountant. Or even more likely, extremely socially strict conservative housew…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 01:53 PM
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do they? I would assume introvert, borderline autistic Chads are very likely to get married quickly and STAY married, and thus end up having more sex on average than single Chads. Sex with the same woman, over and over, but more sex in total. Consider Henry Cavill. Arguably the sexiest man alive, Chaddest Chad. Also, reclusive, introvert nerd. Had about 6 girlfriends in total. Still, Im pretty sure each and every of them rode him harder and more often than Geralt of Rivia rode horses.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 01:47 PM
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My only comment is that ALL men should find another purpose in life that gives their lives meaning, and if, by chance, they find themselves in a relationship with a woman who pursues compatible purpose and meaning, great. If not, great as well. Just because a man is top tier Chad does not mean he HAS TO chase after women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 12:33 PM
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Importantly, women undergo menopause around the time when they hit the Wall of their ability to attract a man. Post menopause women no longer can have kids and have vastly reduced sex drive, so it is quite possible that they ARE as happy or even happier single than if they were married, since there is no practical difference between an older wife in a sexless, post-kids marriage and a single old woman who simply has friends of any gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:13 AM
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nah. Average woman is around 40, overweight, and plain looking to the point that most men would find her repulsive. This sub conveniently forgets that the majority of our population is past the Wall, often for multiple compounding reasons. The idea that an average woman, who is basically a fat Karen, can have a roster of dudes lining to fuck her is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:09 AM
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no, Direct Current.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:04 AM
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ask separate questions to women who identify as: single lonely involuntarily celibate Those are distinct sets that only partially overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:03 AM
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No, the correct question is: "would you be more likely to find a relationship if you were a happy person to begin with?" Humans are not more happy in marriages/relationships. Its the happy humans that find relationships easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:00 AM
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a simpler explanation, with correct causation is: Humans are not more happy in marriages/relationships. Its the happy humans that find relationships easier. Same is true for men and women. Optimistic, nice, proactive people who have good hopes for the future tend to start relationships more easily, and stay in them. Unhappy people (especially unhappy men) fail at starting good relationships, and also are more likely to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:58 AM
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the simplest explanation is that: Humans are not more happy in marriages/relationships. Its the happy humans that find relationships easier. its personal happiness that causes good relationships, not the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:55 AM
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China is a special case due to gender imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:53 AM
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are men happier in MARRIAGE specifically? Or just in a relationship? Regardless, Im certain the logic here should be backwards: Humans are not more happy in marriages/relationships. Its the happy humans that find relationships easier. Your baseline happiness, self-confidence, optimism, positive outlook and proactivity as a single person determines how likely you are going to find a partner or a spouse. Hence why happy people are more often married and stay married. Since men are slightly more li…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:52 AM
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the study about "men leave their sick wives" is an exercise in absurdity anyway, because: humans live longer and longer lives, with women living longer than men humans survive with chronic illnesses longer, but women moreso than men divorce rates are slowly climbing, age of first marriage is rising Combine the above and the INEVITABLE outcome is that statistically every husband will eventually divorce their sick wife, unless he manages to die first. Wait long enough, and all the marriages end in…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:43 AM
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The whole wall of text could have been avoided, if we were to recognize a simple fact: "Married people are not more often happy. Happy people are more often married." Relationships do not make a person suddenly happier, or a better partner. But happy, emotionally mature, rational people make better partners, divorce less often, and report greater satisfaction because their relationships are properly managed. Saying that "Marriage makes you happy" is like saying that "skydiving makes you immortal…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:34 AM
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Chad could have any brain imaginable, but Chads with certain forms of neurodivergence (like say, ADHD) are more likely to be active in their pursuit of women, while others (like say a Chad with Asperger's) would be more passive on average. Simply put, there are probably millions of extremely handsome Chads who simply sit at home painting WH40K figurines and being oblivious to the existence of women. Occasionally some more clever and curious woman will ferret them out of their hiding hole, and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:27 AM
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former Chad here: this checks out. There is a strong correlation between ADHD and Alpha status, or rather: Beta ADHD - "creepy" social pariah Alpha ADHD - charismatic Alpha ADHD who is also a Chad - win. The way I see it, being physically attractive (Chad) or psychologically attractive (Alpha) are passive traits, that needs to be activated to take them to full potential. ADHD is a very powerful activator, because it lowers inhibitions, tramples anxiety and distracts from possible failures/danger…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:23 AM
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there is probably a strong correlation between autism and wanting to be a mod of an online forum. The work of a mod would be rather exhausting for a non-autistic mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:17 AM
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strongly emotional woman tend to go to see a psychiatrist. Strongly emotional men tend to go to jail/the morgue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:16 AM
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similarily, ADHD in women is usually diagnosed as/ blooms as Depression instead. It also seems to be strongly genetic, with Depressed mothers giving birth to ADHD sons, and ADHD dads siring depressed daughters (the effect seems to be genetic but reinforced by nurture).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:15 AM
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If this was the case, I would expect mildly autistic women and mildly BPD men to have above average luck finding opposite sex partners. Do we know if this is true?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:11 AM
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this is a little bit more complex. Even if you ignore the difference in standards, average women are still going to be more attractive than average men, because if you average out female traits they look better, but when you average out male traits they look worse. For example, a woman of both exactly average height and exactly average weight is going to look pretty good and close to proportional. A man of exactly average height and exactly average weight is going to look rather plain, because m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 09:03 AM
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OP forgets that Elite women exist, and actually outnumber Elite men by a huge margin. Elite Chads have zero reason to date average women. They can afford to have high standards, and usually keep them. Source: I've been a Chad in my 20s and early 30s. Approaching 40, im still relatively good looking, if worse for wear. Never, ever had a reason to date a woman who would be considered anything below a 7/10, simply because in an average sized city hot women are dime-a-dozen. Even before Tinder, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:11 AM
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more importantly, only a tiny fraction of women EVER sleep with a Chad. Its simple math, Chads make less than 5% of all men (less than 1% in many places). Attractive women outnumber attractive men easily 5 times or more. Which means that the Chads are not prowling the land fucking Average Janes, they simply rotate a dozen 9/10 Stacies before setting down with the hottest (or more likely, most clever) Stacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:01 AM
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what else can the women do? They cannot change their attraction to High Value Men. Its completely subconscious and biologically ingrained. It is not their fault they feel this way. Nor it is the fault of the hot men. Or the Average men. Its simply natural selection in action. Raging about the basic rules of mammalian sexuality makes as much sense as hating gravity or the laws of thermodynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:54 AM
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Average man has 5-7 sex partners, and this number is only so low because the 6th woman is statistically going to drag him to an altar and keep him away from other women. Completely unremarkable guys wander around aimlessly and just fall into pussy. It is that easy, if you are actually average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:47 AM
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we also vastly overestimate the number and activity of the "Elite" men. The vast majority of women never experience such a man, because they are extremely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:38 AM
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if women liked sex just much as men did, civilization would gloriously collapse within one generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 09:05 PM
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body type stuff is fascinating subject. Several studies confirmed that the slim, lithe-muscular men are considered the most attractive by the greatest % of women by far. Specifically, the body of Brad Pitt as Tyler Durden in the Fight Club movie is considered ideal. HOWEVER, the small % of women who like big, muscular men, like them very, very much, to the point of a singular obsession/fetish. The woman's weight is also usually positively correlated with the weight of the men she prefers, with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:05 PM
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run to where? The number of men and women is pretty much equal. If you run away from noncommittal men, and also from unattractive or nasty men, then all that happens is that you either compete for the few Good Men left, or die alone. If you pick to compete for the Good Men, these men would be swamped with attention and quickly corrupted into being noncommittal due to sheer amount of options they would have. Or they would end up married, and thus out of the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:33 PM
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is that not a good thing in the end, species-wise? If women only dated men vastly above their level, then essentially we would feel strong evolutionary pressure to all become hyper-intelligent, 7 foot tall Chads. Dating market is literally natural selection at work. Sexual selection in this case, true, but in broad terms sexual fitness matches survival fitness in humans (ex: a 7ft tall powerfully built, extremely socially charismatic Chad is likely going to be strong, healthy and smart to suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:28 PM
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one-on-one basis yes, but if you look at the entire society, then levels necessarily align with average "being into" someone, since our population is a closed set of variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:16 PM
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On the contrary. Insanely hard standards among women is basically benevolent eugenics, which is a self-correcting problem. If women would date only Chads, then in a few generations all men would be Chad Chadsons, and all men would be dateable. We know it to be true, this is how we bred modern cattle, horses and chickens into existence. You take the best, biggest, healthiest, beefiest bulls and castrate the rest. 4-5 generations and you turned a species of scrawny wild bovines into walking tanks …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:12 PM
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I mean, kinda? If you punch way above your level, you are setting yourself up for being looked down upon, and your self-respect trampled. I'm not a woman so maybe I'm confused, but would it not be better for a woman's self-respect to date a man who is her equal, than have an emotionally one-sided fling with a vastly superior man who would never value her as much as she values him?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:02 PM
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not necessarily bad, just needs calibration. Our lives are short, and the amount of willpower, emotional energy and trust we can have when dating is a non-renewable resource. Therefore it makes more sense to try to "date up" but only a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:58 PM
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and just so, the same applies to every other quality. Looks, fitness, intelligence, the partner who has more of one of those qualities will try to "pull up" the other, often to their frustration. Reverse can also happen of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:55 PM
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almost all the time, in fact. And even if they mismatch, long relationships tend to equalize looks (usually either the uglier partner shapes up, or, more likely, the prettier partner lets themselves go).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:51 PM
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this should not be so hard, after all, the vast majority of humans date their equals, financially, intelligence-wise and looks-wise. I think people balk most at strange combos like a physically attractive but dumb woman dating a physically plain but smart man, or vice versa. Even if these two people are the same "level" they achieve it differently, and it becomes confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:49 PM
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Because by definition, the struggling men are struggling, which implies that getting a woman is so important to them that they are willing to undergo struggle. If a man INSISTS on getting a woman no matter what, then the obvious solution is to date down. If a man wanted to date higher quality women he would need himself to be higher quality man, but most "struggling" men hate to hear that, and most women have zero advice how to achieve that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:46 PM
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less intelligent - not sure if I agree. Most women can't tell a difference unless the man is really, really dumb or smart, and most women think they are smarter than their man regardless of the evidence. This is I think mostly due to vastly different definitions of "smart" men and women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:42 PM
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Im confused why we even treat it as a problem. Women punching too high in dating is basically benevolent eugenics. The fact that we have sapience, tools and civilization today is partially thanks to cavewomen punching up to get a chance with a superior Cave Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:39 PM
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not always no. I know plenty of men (me included) who have a higher standard for casual hookups than for relationships. For a hookup to make any sense, the woman must be very attractive. I do not care about her personality, as long as she is sexually adventurous. She could be an insane Nazi cannibal for all I care. For a relationship, Id rather be with someone who is average looking (but still totally fuckable) but has great personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:33 PM
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this only seems logical, but is not. Dating within 1-2 points from yours is just as easy, and depends vastly more on random outside circumstances than effort. a 9 guy could just as easily date a 10 as a 7, the difficulty is circumstantial (personal preferences, social group, things in common, even the day of the menstrual cycle when they met etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:30 PM
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While this is true, lets not pretend that all adored qualities are equal. the Qualities of physical attractiveness and personality trump all other qualities, and it feels significantly better to be adored for those two reasons than any other. It also feels distressing and depressing to know that your partner adores you for something else than Looks and Personality, or that they subjectively adore your Looks less than you adore theirs. So basically, unless people adore each other equally for thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:27 PM
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I would assume some do, but that is not the point. What I meant is that a woman strong enough to be a good partner and a mother, will also be strong enough to oppose her man when she feels that she needs to, often to the man's frustration. Strength is strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:19 PM
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Im explicitly referring to a situation OP envisions for the future, not current situation. Currently, the number of men and women sleeping around is pretty balanced, but it can only become more imbalanced in one direction. Cultural liberalization can cause more women to be more promiscuous (and nothing wrong with that), but it cannot make men more promiscuous, since male promiscuity is not discouraged, it is simply extremely difficult to achieve. Woman can sleep around more, they are just discou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:11 PM
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Its not explicitly wrong to "cheat" at the game, but it is POINTLESS. You either win a the game honestly, or you win dishonestly and just feel hollow. Cheating at this game triggers the worst Impostor Syndrome possible, and rightfully so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:04 PM
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Don't stick your dick in crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:59 PM
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OR: Women who decide to not have sons, so they would not be forced into inceldom, and abort male fetuses. They only have daughters. Over a few generations, men would become scarcer than women and the system self-corrects. Also, Woman who only have babies with good looking Chads means that in a few generations all boys are Chads by sheer genetic statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:50 PM
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third option: as "value" of men in society falls, women will be more and more likely to abort their pregnancy if the fetus is male, and not abort if female. Even if the difference in numbers is slight, it would add up and increase the value of men due to scarcity. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Vietnam , Argentina and several other countries briefly experienced this when wars killed about 5% more men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:40 PM
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statistically, most people have sex with 5-7 partners in their lifetime, 1-2 of which are casual sex. So it is just a thing that happens, not an epidemic of ONS
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:35 PM
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what do people "get" from being alcoholics? Or in debt? Or gambling? THis is not a single rational choice where a woman decided to be a part of a harem. Its basically that most women want to pursue/be pursued by a man of a certain value, and since these men are scarce, the women end up sharing that man by sheer mathematical necessity. If in a town with 100 men and 100 women all women want Good Quality Men: Ted, Bill and Joe, and do not want anybody else, then Ted, Bill and Joe will end up in a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:33 PM
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who says anything about being happy? People do not make rational choices about their own happiness to any appreciable degree. IMHO, women will pursue the man the want the most, and simply end up in a harem-like situation unwittingly. Not because they want to, simply out of sheer Gambler's Bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:28 PM
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in this case the number of men having casual sex is MUCH smaller than the number of woman doing same, so from above it basically looks like guys with harems who trade side-chicks. People within would not perceive it as such, but this is literally what would happen if you traced the lines of who slept with whom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:23 PM
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the math will not check out unless by "single" you mean entirely celibate, like a nun.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:20 PM
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the problems for the top tier man you described might kinda self-solve once such harems/non-monogamy become more widespead, and thus, socially acceptable. I think we will see in our lifetime norm where a HVM can take his wife AND his mistress out on a date at the same time and novody would bat an eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:19 PM
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I think an obvious solution would be selective abortion of male fetuses. China already did the reverse, with bad results. But in the West, it would be both culturally desirable and rational to have a daughter not a son, even if you really wanted a son. The only people who would prefer a baby boy would be those who have a good chance of the son being a Chad, who are rich, and can provide their son with education and opportunity. The way I see it, the more misandrist the pregnant woman is, the mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:14 PM
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Being in a relationship does not make you any less lonely, or any less sad. You should be happy all by yourself so that if you form a relationship with another, independently happy person, the relationship would be better than the sum of of its parts. Unhappy, lonely, codependent people form unhappy, lonely, emotionally parasitic relationships. To put it differently, starting a relationship requires a certain level of emotional maturity from both partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:02 PM
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but it is objectively true. Reliable and trustworthy people DO form stable relationships and raise good children. Literally nobody else needs to. What is with this obsession with mass production of marriages and children? There is over 8 billion of us already!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 11:59 AM
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Being or not being alone is not related to being ok. Relationships do not make one more happy by default, nor less lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 11:56 AM
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You'd care to notice, that while APES TOGETHER STRONG, this is because each Ape is individually capable, and not a weak point. (by the way, the idea of X together strong, is literally the origin of fascism: symbolised by Roman fasces tied together for strength.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 11:55 AM
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that is a deeply disturbing view of relationships. Partner is someone who shares your life, not that your life DEPENDS on them. (metaphorically, a good relationship is two healthy people walking side by side, because they are going towards the same destination and enjoy each other's company. A bad relationship is a blind man carrying a legless woman, because they could not reach the destination otherwise.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 11:52 AM
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Women wanting equality and the right to vote, work and provide for themselves - are we talking about the 1960s?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 11:49 AM
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a relationship does not fix loneliness, change of personality does. Become the person whom others adore, to the point that you are never lonely, and THEN consider entering a relationship. Not because you need it to end your loneliness, but because the other person is actually super cool and enhances your already awesome life further.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 11:47 AM
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Independence is not detrimental to all relationships; it is detrimental to bad, stupid, doomed-to-failure relationships which cannot handle it. Yes, independence will erode traditional marriage, and thus traditional society, and good riddance. We are done with this medieval nonsense anyway. A healthy, cooperative and mutually respectful relationship is fundamental to child rearing, but only INDEPENDENT people can create one. Only when both partners enter a relationships as strong, independent eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 11:45 AM
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IMHO, the creepiest thing women do, and it is a source of 99.99% of the aforementioned problems is: Seeing themselves as a WOMAN first, and only then, maybe, as a PERSON. Women trying to define themselves through their femininity, basically uplift their gender to a role of religion. It could be anything from trad-con femininity to radical Feminism, but the gist is, they are unable to look past their own sex/gender. Most problems woman cause each other are basically "Im Womanier than you, Im abov…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 11:00 AM
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I feel like the answer is that women want men to open up, but not all men about everything. There are things you'd want your Dad to open up about, your male friend to open up about, your brother, your husband etc, but these are not the same things in each case. The key here is: your partner is not your therapist, and cannot help you with most issues, nor is it fair to burden them with those. They can help with some issues, but others would just collapse the relationship. One of my exes put it bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:48 AM
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The number of men and women in society is about equal, so ultimately, some man will have to date these women, or remain lonely and celibate forever. Its not as we could all ONLY date good women or good men. So we got to figure out how to create good relationships with bad partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:38 AM
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The main issue here is that both women AND men fail to understand that attractive traits and unattractive traits are just two sides of the same coin. You rarely, if ever, get one without the other. Consider: Protective men are overbearing assertive men are stubborn confident men often act like assholes empathetic men are often weak-willed "strong, silent types" are often socially inept because of that faithful men are often jealous men who are good in bed get so by being promiscuous You cannot h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:33 AM
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semantics? There is no practical difference in the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:39 AM
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that would have the opposite effect. We do not want fewer women using OLD, we want fewer men using OLD, so that the ratio becomes 1:1, or better yet, with there being more women and fewer men online. Get maximum number of men out of the dating market, especially OLD, to balance the supply-demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 03:09 PM
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Im half of that: no marriage but I do have kids. The reason for that setup are: - I always wanted kids, and LTR is needed for that - Im ARO and non-mono, which makes marriage pointless emotionally - im significantly richer than my SO, which makes marriage pretty stupid economically and legally. Basically, I have a live-in FWB concubine StAHM who takes care of our kids, while I support us both financially and occasionally have side-chicks. Getting married and thus pretending that things are other…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:55 PM
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That ignores market forces. If women approached men as much as men approach women, then sure, Chads would be approached more, but they can only date/fuck up to their natural capacity. This capacity is then spent on top Stacies, as it would be in any case. It is not logistically possible, nor even emotionally desirable for the Chads to date all the average women that approached them. Chads have standards and priorities too, and their day is only 24 hours just like yours. If women approached men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:20 PM
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The way I see it, because of that MGTOW will happen organically, without any conscious choice. It would be just that the random, brownian motion of frustrated young men in society will be pulling them towards GTOW more than not. Men Going Their Own Way used to be considered a difficult path, but now it becomes the default path of least resistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:11 PM
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gym hours are inversely proportional to relationship hours. Taken men don't have time to work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:22 AM
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that only makes sense if you actively dislike the feeling of love. If you enjoy love by even tiniest fraction, its hedonism, just a different flavor. If you think love > casual sex, it just means you are more addicted to oxytocin than dopamine - but still a hedonist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:21 AM
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one of those fonts is Comic Sans
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:19 AM
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eh, its more like she did not care all that much for monogamy. Plenty of girls are only perfunctorily jealous, and lots of women are coquean at heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:18 AM
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IMHO, most Red Flags are just the other side of Green Flags. Like, a sexy guy who is good in bed, is likely also a cheater. An assertive, dominant guy who slays at business will also be a tyrant at home. Charismatic extrovert is also the annoying loud asshole when seen from the opposite perspective. You cannot have the Pros withotu the Cons, and most women subconciously know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:17 AM
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Full chivalry would be marrying your neighbour' daughter at 15 to get lands and cattle from her father, impregnating her, locking her in a keep and go on gallivating around the continent with your Mistress. If the wife makes a fuss, have her poisoned. If her father/brothers object, blind them and lock thme in a dungeon.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:08 AM
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what actually works are "women only" nights at regular clubs. Where Im from, it is usually first Friday of each month. This way the novelty never wears off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:27 AM
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this is a strawman argument because nearly all clubs fail after a few years at most, when their novelty wears off. Then another club opens up at the exact same place, only changign the name and the "vibe".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:23 AM
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Simple, I have a set of rules when it comes to a relationship that I never break, and my hormones adled brain can do just about everything else, becasue ultimately none of it matters. My rules: - no impregnation (enforced by vasectomy) - no spending substantial money on the woman (partially enforced by bank account settings and my accountant being very judgemental) - no interaction with my kids and family (easy, as they don't want to) - no legal attachments - no monogamy, promised or required (e…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:20 AM
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at first, but then it would adapt. What do men and women like doing if they are not trying to do each other? Clubs would sell that + booze. (imagine a former dance club turned into a tabletop boardgame club but with drinks.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 08:04 AM
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Why negative? THe world I described would not be bad per se, just different. Im not saying the men would be all Ace: that would end humanity. I considered the scenario of men having equal or lower libido to that of women, and thus being able to go for decades without sex, defocus from sex, and have near zero motivation to approach women for sex. I based it on the realities of Lesbian dating world: when female-libido people date each other, sex is scarce, and often not the main factor. As for kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 08:01 AM
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absolutely yes! I mean, have you heard of Shaolin Monks? These guys are celibate dudes who honetheir minds and bodies to perfection with extreme motivation, and they pretty much never have sex, barely even interact with women. Sure, it is difficult to re-route your motivation away from sex and romance and towards something else, but really, men do it 99% of the time. Its not impossible to do it 100% of the time, especially if you make conscious effort to avoid unecessary temptation. For one, qui…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 07:47 AM
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what about eunuchs? They would have zero libido, and were extremely motivated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 07:31 AM
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not really, I mean, even is you prescribe to the cultural theory of gender, and agree that transwomen are women, AVERAGE men still usually have dicks, and AVERAGE women pussies, that is how averages work. We would nee like, 1,5 billion more trans people to buck that average.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:00 PM
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sure, but its an obvious double-deception. It is a common promoted belief that "girls are nicer" but nobody actually believes it, not even women themselves. Its a belief in belief: nobody sane thinks women are better, but a lot of us think we should pretend it is so, as a form of mild social engineering. Its the same thing as "all people are equal", "equality is justice", "optimism is better", "democratic opinion=truth" etc. We know these things are false, and it would be insane to act otherwise…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:58 PM
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that is very unlikely to be true, given that plenty of the world's geniuses were asexual or low libido. Consider the ostentatiously asexual Leonardo Da Vinci, quietly asexual Nicola Tesla, the army of eunuchs that made Mandarin Chinese Empire possible, the celibate monks that preserved European science and education, various saints and martyrs who would die heroic deaths while celibate, Sexual libido is not drive, it is something that highjacks your drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:51 PM
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exactly, the problem is some men fail to realise that. Its funny how plenty of RP guys are like: "so, am I supposed to get rich, ripped, healthy, social, happy, wise, accomplished and emotionally wholesome for NOTHING?!... When will I get pussy?" Real life counterexample: my single buddy got the idea that buying a Porsche will help him get laid, because obviously (/s) women are impressed by cool cars. He was saving money for 2 years, bought the Porsche... and realized he enjoys driving it around…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:44 PM
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I think its more: "Work on yourself for your own sake, not for women". It is often that men, usually young guys fail to realize that self-improvement is a goal in itself, and it leads to countless emotional, physical and financial benefits, and getting women is not even in the Top 20 of those benefits. So, It is expedient to tell young men to not pursue women, so that they would not waste time and be able to focus.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:36 PM
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the main, glaring problem of what you describe is men going on Self-Improvement bend with the goal of impressing women, rather the more rational idea of Self-Improvement for your own sake. self-actualized" in neoliberal sense: not having the right career, the right education, the right social life, the right fit body, the right conversation skills, the right emotional intelligence... All of those things above are worth doing and having for their own sake. Gay guys still follow their careers. Ase…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:31 PM
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Bluepill argues that the dating market and values had been the same romantic Blue since the dawn of humanity, where in fact, it started with early 1980s Rom-Coms. The world was mostly Redpilled prior to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:12 PM
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To pile up on your Aztec example: sure, it sucked for them to be crushed by the Outside Context Problem of the Conquista, but if it did not happen, there would be no modern Mexico, which (for all its faults) is absolutely superior to the Aztec empire in every measurable way. And today it is the same thing: both the Right and the Left fret about the "collapse" of society, blind to the fact that collapse is necessary for growth. Fear of collapse is basically narcisstic self-nostalgia: thinking the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 02:09 PM
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the way societies work, they can be no renewal without a collapse first. Things need to get desperately, violently, system-failure bad before they can ever hope to get better. History is a pendulum, it has to swing one direction before it swings the other way. There is no way to permamently fix a broken society. Once society is in decline, no propping it up can save it, it needs to fall down into anarchy, so that new values, new systems, new norms and new leadership can emerge. The main forces t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:56 PM
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IMHO, the optimal solution is: Determine what league, Attractiveness Tier you are, like on 1-10 scale Determine what niche you fill in the "ecosystem of dating". Only approach people who are your tier, and only within your niche, or in obviously compatible ones. Rinse, repeat, learn from mistakes until you master that combo.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:46 PM
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this is the one thing that Feminism actually did right: it forced men to talk about their feelings, and then; turns out most men feel the same about things most men are actually empathic beings, and hate seeing their bros hurt most men soaked in enough heroic, "brotherhood" tropes from the media to want to save their bros men realised most other men are there to help them, just as much as they are, so, instant camaraderie. Early Feminism wanted to convince us all men are evil pigs, so we were su…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:19 PM
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I think the "schock treatment" of an ONS well below her standards could easily substitute for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:07 PM
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Options for Low SMV men: Investigate if they are truly straight, or maybe bi. If even a little bit bicurious, explore relationships with other men. Maintain strong, lifelong male friendships, to secure platonic emotional intimacy in lieu of romantic intimacy. Seek other men in similar predicament, and befriend them. Explore their gender identity, on the off-chance that they might consider becoming trans-women. If too strong libido causes them distress, investigate the idea of voluntary chemical …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:05 PM
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Weird economy - men would quit bullshit jobs, and half of the economy would plummet. But men would also have twice as much time and energy to follow their passions, ideas and careers, so the other half would skyrocket. Weird politics - socialism or welfare politics of all kinds would take a head-dive, without men feeling any need to support them. It would be a slow, but inevitable process. OTOH, some rudimentary welfare would have to be kept to prevent societal collapse. Weird families and relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 12:41 PM
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with zero libido, there would be very little motivation to commit SA, it would be replaced by plain Assault instead. Plenty of women would get punched, but very few raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 11:52 AM
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Honestly, I have seen that exact scenario happen a few times, including some of my best friends, and it never ends well. What I would suggest intead, is attractive women (or well, ANY women) to have no-strings attached ONS with ugly men with tolerable personalities. Sure, its suboptimal for these women, but enough to quench their thirst, and build the guy up, while also slightly recalibrating the woman's perspective. Full on relationships? Nah. That always goes sour for both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 11:49 AM
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36% of women cheat, and so do 40% of men. It is absurd to not consider this risk, if you want monogamy. Its equally absurd to be offended when someone suspects your infidelity if the chances are more than 1/3. If you nobody could ever suspect you of cheating, then you basically claim to be morally superior to 36%+ of humanity, and that is jsut pure, unadulterated arrogance and hubris. THe truth is, most of us are fucked up in several ways, its up to each of us to decide which kind of flaws we ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:05 PM
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around 36% of women cheat (and 40% of men, so we are not saints ourselves) so a Paternity Test is a very obvious precaution. Beleiving yourself to be morally above 36% of humanity is just arrogance. If you are just an average person, you are VERY likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:00 PM
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especially since a Patternity Test can be included in a general DNA testing done to screen for genetic diseases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:58 PM
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but the number of men and women is roughly equal, so eventually SOMEONE would date a psychopath, or a worthless deadbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:57 PM
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It’s like if I suddenly out of the blue asked him to take an STD I mean... this should be standard. Not doing it is just silly and dangerous, especially since some STDs can be transfered nonsexually, and some have very delayed onset.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:55 PM
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that would mean his opposite number would also be forced to remain single. That is the problem with these kinds of complaints: if we collectively decided to only date sane, nice, rational and trustworthy people, half of us would die celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:53 PM
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simple numbers. If we all wanted to only date absolutely moral, trustworthy, rational, decent and conscientous people...then most of us would die celibate, while the actually good people would have to live in poly harems just to manage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:51 PM
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Im not speaking for myself, but for statistically significant sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:20 PM
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It's a significant handicap and it's understandable that they're frustrated about it. But as we plainly see its not, since over 95% of men eventually get laid, get married and have kids. Of the men left behind not all are short, in fact, its obesity that seems to be the most limiting factor, not height. Even from purely evolutionary perspective, this cannot be any other way. If women consistently picked tallest guys, or if tallest guys were most succesful, we would all be 9 ft tall by now. Yes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:14 PM
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For sure it matters and most women don't like bald guys, but it's one of the things that make no sense nah, not really, only a small subset of women don't like bald guys, most don't care much, and there is a subset of women who find bald men MORE attractive. THe older, more conservative, and more feminine the woman is the more likely she is to find bald guys hot, and women in the 35-45 cohort overwhelmingly cosider bald guys hot. Baldness is also considered a sign of masculinity, dominance and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:06 PM
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Your link only proves that height matters to AMERICAN women. USA is unique in that regard, because it has a huge and very, very diverse population, with countless enthicities, genetics and income levels at play, and all this afffects male height tremendously and in different ways. Meanwhile, you can go to Portugal where everyone is very short, or Holland where everyone is very tall, or Poland where everyone is very close to global average, and women there do not care that much for height, becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:58 PM
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Absolutely do not care. Monogamy is just weaponised jealousy, genital socialism. Fuck that noise and people who worship it. The only issue I have with cheaters is that they do not have the guts to just openly admit to not being monogamous. If my SO had a problem with me tolerating a cheater, especially an IDEOLOGICAL problem about it, she would be single and homeless 30 seconds later. I have zero tolerance policy for such idiocy, let alone for THREATS.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:53 AM
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no, because attraction is a hockey-stick curve not an ascending straight line. ANd that is actually great, we would be extremely sexually confused otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:03 AM
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women don't understand 1-10 scale because it does not make sense when it comes to how they feel attraction. If you took a woman and preasented her with 100 random men, and had her rank the from 1 to 100 when it comes to attractiveness, she would do a poor and random job except for the top guys. If you took a woman and had her split a group of 100 men into "guys I could fuck" and "guys I would DEFINITELY never fuck" it would take her 3 minutes tops. Men experience a whole scale of attraction that…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:02 AM
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The men who fear high N-count are not "relationship minded men", but "insecure men who fear competition and comparisons". Lets not confuse the two. N-count is a sign that a woman is experienced and promiscous, but that is only dangerous to men who themselves are inexperienced and incapable of promiscquity / plate spinning. Being a conservative, jealous, monogamy-obsessed pussy does not make a man "decent" or "relationship minded" just weak. Weak men should not be in relationships, be husbands or…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 09:09 AM
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Room temerature is 21 Celsius, pretty sure functional IQ cannot go that low, but hey, you likely know better from first hand experience ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:35 AM
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of the 3.5 billion men over 60% are already married and with children, so there is concrete proof they fucked. Deduct male chidlren and elderly dudes, and gay men, and you end up with around 300 million men who are in the age where they want to fuck but its hard for them to find a partner. Why do you assume society shits on young men? They are disproportionately employed, most media caters to them, and politicians mostly cave in to their votes. "Society" is basically a bunch of 40-70 year old me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:34 AM
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expected by whom? Tax office surely does expect them to pay their due. Employment Bureau sure does care about forcing them to find jobs. When women go in debt, the bank definitley does not care they have a pussy and still wants the money back, plus interest. Where is this magical land where women do not have to pay for stuff? Im totally going to send my elderly Mom there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 10:18 AM
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Yes, and so do most women. Both genders want someone more attractive than they are, butultimately fail at gettign them, and mutually "settle" for their near-equal. This does not mean they are not happy. Most of such ugly couples have active sex lives and are generally content with their "not good, but not terrible" relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:54 AM
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2 billion of what? 2 billion is more than the entirety of single men on the planet. Since the vast majority of men get laid, get married, and have kids, only a tiny fraction would be eligible for the monk/wizard program. Lets do some back of the napkin math: Most men under 18 do not need to get laid yet. Most men over 30 already are getting laid, are often married and dads. This leaves the 18-29 cohort. There is 1,3 billion of men in that group. Discount gay men, its 1,2 billion. 25% of these 1,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:48 AM
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if this is true, how come there is so many ugly couples? Most men get laid and sire children. If you are ugly, just focus on equally ugly women until you hit the spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:21 AM
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The difficulty the physically attractive man is that he might have great short term success but long term is a very different story. there is no such thign as long term, every relationship is basically a string of more, or less succesful hookups with the same person. The thing that trips most men in relationships is trying to play the long game whereas they should be playing in-the moment Game.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:18 AM
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Women are only complicated if you dive down into their games and personal logic, which is compeltely pointless. Think of it this way, women might be rocket science, but you are not supposed to be a rocket scientist, you are supposed to be an astronaut who rides the rocket and needs to know which buttons and levers to press and when. And that boils down to: - maintaining personal attractiveness - maintaining a strong frame (confidence,fighting for what you want, alpha-traits, having a plan for yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 08:53 AM
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you are kidding? You know women pay taxes as well? And work? And raise children? Ever heard of the existence of mothers? I completely agree that women pay less than men do, and are less productive, but t say they are not expected to pay back is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 08:26 AM
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200 billion? there is less than 8 billion of people on this planet.... Maybe you mean 200 million? If so, sure, we had much greater % of men becoming monks in the past, so it is possible, we just need good motivation, financing and logistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 08:20 AM
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have you been murdrer lately? Died of dysynteria or cholera? Bombed? Ran out of water or food? No? No need to thank us. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 07:29 AM
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Honestly, the whole concept of dating is silly. Either fuck around (Cock Carousel/Plate Spinning), or parter up with your best (fuck) friend to have kids and household together. ANd then fuck around as a couple. The whole "dating" thing seems absolutely silly. What is it, a 90's rom-com?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 07:22 AM
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why exactly? I mean, by definition society is made mostly of individuals you never met or interacted with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 07:16 AM
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and yet, millions of men join them out of free will? I mean, in Birma alone there's 800 000 monks, another 200 000 in China, 290 000 in Japan, 350 000 in Thailand, and who knows how many in India, and we are talking only Buddhist. Add Catholic monks and several other sects, and its going to be several million men. It shows it can be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 07:15 AM
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this "shitty society" taught you to read and write, created the computer you are now using, educated you, protected you from starvation, disease, war, and fire. This shitty society paid about 250 000 $ to raise you from newborn to adulthood; funding shools, roads, education, healthcare etc You almost certainly had not paid back your fair due yet. Besides, it would be FUN to tackle the various challenges of the world with likeminded bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:48 AM
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Im a man so I should know what men are or aren't. Besides, we literally have monasteries for men right now. Ever heard of Augustines? Benedictines? Franciscans? Shao-lin monks?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:45 AM
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Im in a similar situation to yours, except I had the luck to start my journey into PUA much earlier, anbout 8 years before the VH1 show. Around 2018 I discovered the BlackDragon blog, and the whole stuff about consensual non-monogamy. It took a lot of work, but I managed to convince my GF to open up our relationship, which lets me pursue other women, as long as it is just for sex and does not jeopardise our family and kids. Technically, she is allowed to bang other dudes, but she uses that optio…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 12:46 PM
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honestly, every time I see that masterpiece of a movie, I find a different layer in it. But jokes and movie talk aside, its absurd how many men waste time at the gym going for completely different build that women want. Growing huge and bulky is completely pointless if you want to impress women. Lean muscle + low BF% is the way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 12:04 PM
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it would be also massivel cheaper. THese men would be no strain on the economy, but an enormous boon to progress, science, technology and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 10:27 AM
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exactly that. Slim fit jeans/trousers that accentuate the glutes and the bulge help as well. For a more casual combo, a slim fit tanktop plus grey sweatpants that make the bulge outline show.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 10:13 AM
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studies confirm that over70% of women prefer the lean-muscular look, and in face-less studies where they shown women barechested men, a still of Brad Pitt from Fight Club won in a landslide, with 7 times more votes than the chest/body of Thor (Hemsworth) or Aquaman (Jason Momoa's).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 10:08 AM
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dude, MONASTERIES. Not religious ones, but maybe science-based? It worked for the last 2000 years. Like, if not monks, jsut call the Wizards instead, make their celibate lifestyle something cool and to be proud of rather than a failure. Plus, living in a monastery with other incels would give them camerderie, friendship, and the human connection the desperately need.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:50 AM
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now look at the young boys in ISIS, who by and large were incels, and this was one of their main motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:48 AM
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invent agnostic monasteries for men, where they would basically be like "wizards" (focusing on intelelctual work and helping humanity) with a shared roof over their heads, all expenses plus entertainment paid (including weekly sessions with an escort). Just like the buddhist/catholic monasteries of old, except they woudl not waste time prayign and focus on science/technology/brainstorming and get paid sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:41 AM
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simultaneously promote selective abortion of male fetuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:38 AM
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but you also have to ruthlessly cull undesirable bulls, so as to not propagate bad genes or outcompete good ones. Chad-ism is basically soft eugenics in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:37 AM
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why can't the men just be deep, lifelong friends with one another, and occasionally share a woman? If its not about sex just bond with your best male friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:35 AM
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we are also living in the now. Sure, robots will probably take over most jobs by 2045. But we need to somehow survive to that point in time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:33 AM
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YM are still an untapped potential. I wish we could find a way to organise, utilise, and invigorate them. Like maybe a kind of voluntary agnostic monasteries for unwanted men. Like: "hey dude, you are an ugly, lonely, 30 yo virgin. Realistically you will never find a wife or even GF. How about you join our Order of Wizards, where we live communally with other similar dudes, heroically solve humanity's problems 9-5 and then retire to play vidya together?". Imagine all these dudes going full Ganda…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:32 AM
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The ok cupid study (and multiple others) clearly shows women finding the looks of most men to be unattractive, with 80% of them seen as below average. It was not a "study" in any reasonable meaning of that word.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 11:45 AM
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According to bluepillers, the vast majority of men are normal socially adjusted human beings who regularly or semi-regularly get laid. They may not be super attractive Casanova's who pick up a new girl every week but most men manage to find a steady girlfriend here and there over time and eventually settle down wit one, according to blupillers. But this part is literally statistically true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 11:44 AM
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honestly, I don't think this is much of a problem. Women are not scarce, or made of soap. The 7/10 woman might very likely date a 8/10 guy in May and then a 7/10 guy in June, and would not be married or worse for wear. If you are a 7/10 guy in an average sized city the number of 7/10 women available to you is orders of magnitude greater than you could ever date in your entire life. There is absolutely no risk of running out of women due to 8/10 Chads poaching your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 06:44 AM
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not really relevant though. Vast majority of men have ok faces, which greatly improve with the rigth BF%, skincare and grooming. Women are not face-ists to any important degree. Assuming the guy is not disfigured facially, and his goal is to have normal sex life, fit- body+ regular face is absolutely good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 10:40 AM
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THat makes no sense. A 7/10 man isn't getting that much more pussy than a 5/10 man assuming the same height, weight, muscle definition. and personality. BY DEFINITION a 7/10 man has better height, weight, muscle definition. and personality than a 5/10, that is why his number is higher. But the 10/10 man is getting likely 10x more pussy than an 8/10 man. Mostly not true. On the 8/10-10/10 level its all circumstancial. All these men can get laid as much as they want, but even a 10/10 man is nto ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 10:09 AM
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I used FaceApp to see how I would look as a woman, and I got to say I would be quite hot. If all the other physicals translate I would also be quite tall and athletic woman, Im pretty sure there is more than enough guys who saw WHAT IF Captain Carter and now are into mature and athletic hotties, so finding sex would be easy. As for relationships, assuming my mentality would not change, but my sexuality would, I think I would do ok. Im exceptionally liberal and easygoing in relationships, which I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 07:52 AM
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Which guys do not like. guy here, I lOVE gym-made asses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 07:44 AM
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Agreed OP, except men shoudl be doing all those things FOR THEMSELVES ANYWAY. You are not supposed to go to the gym to impress women, but to be fit and healthy. You are not supposed to be well dressed, groomed and clean to impress women, but to feel good in your skin. Same with being rich, athletic, confident, social etc. Don't do it for pussy, do it so that your life is worth living. The "im doing all this to impress women" mindset is not just toxic and shitty, but ironically super off-putting …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:35 PM
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At the very least you can have a short, bald muscular dude with a nice beard. that pretty much describes Neil Strauss, one of the best Pick Up Artists in the history of mankind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:26 PM
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But there are plenty of guys with multiple undesirable qualities nah, they are just a loud minority online. They are actually very rare. Plus, looxmaxing actually works for them, most of such ugly men gentleman-up a few times in their life and just manage to find some ugly girl to date them. Take a stroll at the mall, Sunday afternoon. Plenty of ugly couples, usually a fat balding guy and his fat, cellulite wife. A few years ago that fat balding guy took all his courage, put on his best shirt, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:21 PM
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Its true, but at the same time "fake it till you make it" is also true. It takes several dozen successes with women, and at least a few longer relationships for a man to learn the real thing and actually GROW into being an attractive man, at least psychologically. Which means, the first few times must be faked to at least some degree. All guys do it, except some small minority uses professional Game while the rest just make stuff up on the spot and hope it works. Its basically the same problem a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 11:25 AM
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it seems like the younger someone is, the more she'll be into feminine guys. that is pretty much officially confirmed by studies. The older/more feminine the woman is, the more masculine she likes her men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:01 PM
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guys significantly, SIGNIFICANLTY more feminine than Styles or Chalamet can pull women, and be considered sex icons. As long as they are: Attractive and slim. Confident and extrovert. Studies show that skinnier/androgynous women prefer skinnier/more feminine men, whereas voluptous curvy women prefer muscular manly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:56 PM
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While true, its worth remembering that not all Aphas are Chads and not all Chads are Alphas, and this sub often conflates these two.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:25 AM
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Its true but male appearance depends far more on their lifestyle. Woman's attractiveness and how badly she ages depends on basically two factors" genetics and weight, whereas men can really maintain good looks with effort.... or ruin it preemptively with laziness. In fact, I would even say that men either hit the Wall at about 25 or at 50, the dudes who let themselves go often look like senile fat pigs by 26, men who work out, eat healthy and take care of themselves age like wine until 50 when i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:49 AM
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Im 100% sure MOST relationships of average people start withcthe woman making the first move, the second move, the third move, and likely the fourth move, and then the guy miraculously got the hint and made his "first move". The moment when an average man decides he will try his chances and makes any attempt at flirting, the woman in question likely sized him up well in advance, made all the excuses to be near or introduced to him, held seductive eye contact with him, very likely already decided…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:37 PM
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Agnostic monasteries for men, where they can live, socialise and work without worrying about women. Provide them with prostitutes to solve tiehr raw sexual needs, and encourage friendship/brotherhood to replace romantic needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 08:33 AM
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OTOH, we should not over-focus on finding someone and/or sex. Relationships are not the point of your life, happiness is, and relationships provide only a small fraction of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:50 PM
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not to mention, getting reasonably muscular (not a roid monster, just proportionally athletic and cut) is extremely good for your health, fitness, happiness and self-image. I mean, gay guys lift. Asexual guys lift. I know a 75 yo dude who still lifts, even though he won't see another vagina in his lifetime. If all women suddenly vanished, I would still be lfting witht he bros, because gains are their own reward, and the sheer feeling of havign a powerful body is worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:48 PM
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same here. Im an extroverted ADHD dude with good social skills, and six-pack abs; Its easy for me to get laid, but absolutely hard to maintain anything like a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:43 PM
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the saddest part of it is that dudes fail to understand that all of this self-improvement is good in an of itself. A human being is SUPPOSED to be fit, athletic, healthy, well dressed, socially skilled, rich enough to at the very least support themselves and their passions, and all around accomplished. Men are not supposed to do all these things just to get access to a vagina, but simply to have good life. Also, because self-improvement is FUN; every pound lifted, every dollar gained, every new …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:40 PM
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This is of course only a trick to lure men into self-improvement. At first they start working out, making money, taking care of their looks and health jsut to impress girls....but before they notice they suddenly become happy, rich, healthy and fit men FOR NOTHING! I mean, what is event he point of being a rich, ripped, happy and accomplished man if not for pussy? After all women are everything!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:32 PM
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from personal experience , but these seem to be universal-ish: - positive and optimistic - curious and passionate - laid back and relaxed - stoic/self-control when needed. - dependable and trustworthy - capable and reasonably self-reliant, but not afraid to ask for help. ​ I think it mostly boils down to how the woman processes her emotions. Men prefer women who know how to control their negative emotions (anger, fear, jealousy, anxiety, sadness, apathy) but who are otherwise extrovert in showin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:04 PM
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improved and easier immigration policies, just an example, lately my country let in a few million Ukrainian refugees, most of whom are young women. The dating world was revolutionised in a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:33 PM
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also, good Dads don't let their sons simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:28 PM
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I wonder if it is possible, or what would happen if we simply started to encourage chastity in boys. Today people laugh at 30 yo male virgins, but what if we made concentrated effort to PRAISE them, and encourage as many men as possible to "save themselves for the Right Woman", and abstain from sex and relationships before 30?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:25 PM
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most women are not average though. Its counter-intuitive, but most people are below average in looks, because human attractiveness is not an escalating line but a hockey-stick curve. If you took all the women from your city and lined them from ugliest to hottest, almost 70% would be fat, and 30% out of that would be downrigth obese. THe Average attractive woman is within healthy BMI, and thus not in the middle of the line, but much, much closer to the hot ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:21 PM
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Guys simp over average women all the time what about under-average women? I mean, just a thought experiment, what would happen if a large nuber of said simps simped for actually ugly women instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:15 PM
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There is nothing to be done about it, except father teaching their sons to not simp (and in general, how to deal with women) at the latest when the boys hit early teens. So, if you are a guy with a son, teach him to: - have self respect and not simp - focus on self improvement not on girls - how to maintain good male friendships (bros before hoes, but also how to befriend other boys/men, and how to maintain a friendship throughout their lives). - how to achieve and maintain a healthy and fit bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:02 PM
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No , because most modern men suck at it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:19 AM
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Its not really country dependent though, it happens in most developed countries, and if anything, its worse in welfare states. This is a cultural problem not an economic problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:36 PM
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where do you think we are, Westeros??
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:21 PM
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all is needed is for these men to Go towards something. Going Their Own Way at least suggests there should be a Way, some purpose or a goal, not pointless meandering or taking a step outside and immediately going back. Long time ago, the place for such men was monasteries. Dudes would go to live with other dudes, pray and work, often inventing science and technology along the way. Now, all that prayer is pointless, but the principle itself is sound: MGTOWs should simply become secular monks (not…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:20 PM
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GTOW does not exclude sexual relations with women, so technically plenty of players are GTOW, without realsing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:15 PM
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I fully support MGTOW, if not for the fact that they are mostlly talk and no action. There is a twofold problem with MGTOW: - men who only pretend to GTOW but don't do anything substantial with their lives, just turn into bitter incels and crave womens' attention all the more - men who actually GTOW and substantially improve their lives because of it, often become attractive to women, and are tempted to fall back into society approved roles. It only makes sense of the man GTOW and their Way is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:11 PM
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plenty: - mothers ecnouraging their sons to form healthy male friendships, so that they do not become emotionally dependent on women - mothers ressisting the urge to coddle their sons, let them grow masculine and strong - women encouraging men in their life (friends/brothers etc) to be social, make friends and talk to other women - women giving actually pragmatic advice how to befriend and SEDUCE other women. - women spotting mistakes men make in relationships, and helping them see red flags in …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 10:16 AM
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If I might add: mothers should help and encourage their sons to create healthy male friendships, so that adult men are no starved for emotional closeness. Modern men overly fixate on women and relationships simply because they do not have real friends to bond with. They offload all their closeness on one woman, and thus smother her or become dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 09:59 AM
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I have very little empathy, extremely stoic, and never form friendships or have romantic feeings for anyone. The only people I love are my kids. Everybody else is NPC. Does it help? Yes and no. It helps in that I have zero approach anxiety or fear of rejection, Im never nervous around women. the drawback is that low empathy means I have trouble guessing someone's feelings, so I had to memorise stuff like body language cues to even know what Im doing. I also have severe ADD and I very extrovert, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:01 AM
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I focused on immigrants who are at least 2-3 generations in, beauce it clearly shows economic integration and educational levelling. Same with Asian, Middle Eastern, or African immigrants. Look at UK or France, they both have already well integrated population of grandchildren of former immigrants, and these people go to college, teach, perform surgeries, and still have more children on average than the original ethnicity. Sure, one day their population will level, and at this point a new wave o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:26 AM
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Hell naw. Im a semi-psychopathic Chad with no redeeming romantic qualities and the emotional depth of a reptile. Im basically a superficially charming human dildo, with no other obvious function. Every LTR I was ever in, included the current one, was because I fuck well and lie well, and I manage to solve most problems that arise by either lying or fucking her to orgasm. I know women who are just much of flesh robot as I am, and we FWB occasionally, but LTR with them would make no sense. We woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:48 PM
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a dumb society is soon replaced by a more robust one, after a few decades of back-and-forth. The kids and grandkids of the unskilled immigrants become businessmen, lawyers, doctors and soon, politicians. Life goes on. If you don't beleive me, look at Italian - Americans, Irish-Americans, and lately, Hispanic-Americans. Cutures recycyle all the time, yet culture, science and technology progresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:47 PM
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by that logic we should focus on 15-20 year olds, because the 20-something demographic will age out of the window before anyone invents any clever solution for the problems we talk about. Besides, its a self correcting problem. If a society sucks at dating/making children, it will simply age up, and either take on immigrants (who come from a more procreative culture) or will keep dating, fucking and birthing at later age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:29 PM
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sure, but being on this sub pretty much confirms that both you and me are atypical. Completely regular average men do not frequent Pill subs, only those who are either at the right or left side of the bell curve bother with this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:59 AM
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because MOST people suck at relationships, and "good people" (for relationships) are less than 50% of the population, and obviously they don't always pair up with another "good" person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:48 AM
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No, not really. We simply have very weak preferences. For me, I like women who are skinny-fit, pale, black haired and blue eyed. THat is my ideal, but I will date/fuck every woman who is above 5/10 and not overweight. My standards are not low, just broad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:46 AM
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True. It takes at least several months of hardcore investment in your fitness, grooming and looks, and a fair bit of $ spent before you look good enough for that to happen. The signs are obvious if its obvious you are a well put-together man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:28 AM
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nobody gets anything for free. If you saw me at a club flirting with girls you would assume I get pussy for free. You don't see the $ Im spending monthy on the gym, barber, clothing store, and the hours upon hours of learning Game from books, videos and thousands of hours of IRL practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:26 AM
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not caring - one word answers, never starts a conversation, avoids you or moves away, closed body language, ignores you or talks to her friends over you. Looks releived or indifferent if you flirt with someone else. Playing hard to get - wordy and sassy rejections, starts a conversation to tell you precisely WHY she's like, totally not into you, open and dynamic body language (or cartoonishly guarded one). Keeps close or even follows you around even if she tells you to live her alone. Acts jealo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:20 AM
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120% true and well written. Most men do not realise how short life is (when you exclude time wasted on work, sleep etc) and how short the DATING life is within it. The true datign window you get is between 20 and 40. Prior and after things are awkward and often not worth it. You sleep half of that time, so 10 years. You work half of that time, so 5 years. Exclude the days when you are sick, visiting family, doing your hobbies, or spending time with male friends: you end up havign about 2-3 years…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:12 AM
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nah, still works as ever. Its simply that lately both men and women are more socially awkward in IRL situations, where they don't have the buffer of the text based interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:07 AM
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yes, but the principle is that rather than always pushing for something to happen you are pulling her interest in. The basic principle of flirtation is that you give her your attention and show how cool/fun/sexy you are, then take it away. If she gets frustrated and follows (ie: flirts back at you to get your attention back) you know its working.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:05 AM
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Can't change your view because this is literally true. My only comment is that if the setting is right (a club, a party, bar, etc) I would extend the time up to 2-3 hours. Why? because many women will be on the fence whether or not they find you ssexually attractive on raw looks alone, but you can still win them over with confidence, behavioir, body language and humor/social skills/flirting skills. But 3 hours is pretty much it, if you are not getting any indicators of interest from her, if she …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:00 AM
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we totoally are, if we can pull it off. Source, Im hypergamous guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:45 AM
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The severity of this problem is greatly exaggerated, because subs like this look at the problem form a perspective of way below-average men, looking for above average women. In reality, ACTUALLY average men, have 5-7 female sexual partners in their life, in a series of LTRs, the last one usually to their wife and the mother of their kids. Men who are way below that number or way above that number are very rare outliers, and pretty much do not matter much. Yes, technically most men would want an …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:40 AM
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representative of the average population of 20-something year old dating dynamics. WHY do we focus on this group in particular? Its also a non-randomly picked group.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:27 AM
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I agree, what you describe can happen. But it 100% depends on the man's personality, and is outside her control.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 02:03 PM
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Its a tough market full of actual hotties, so a below average woman has no real place in it. Poor women are more likely to be religious/conservative. Poverty+prostitution usually leads to being pimped out and entangled with criminals. Freelance prostitutes get beaten and put under the heel real fast. It takes actual skill at sex, and a hard-as-nails poersonality to make good money on pussy and not succumb to depression/self-hate. Even in places where prostitution is legal, its usually not proper…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 10:18 AM
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Im a Chad dude who can get laid the usual way, but I paid for sex a few times just to know what it is like. Budget prostitute. Super not worth it. Luckily I did not get any STDS, but her place was just grimy and so was herself. Super boring halfarhted attempt at sex which stopped halfway because I lose erection. 0/10 would not recomend. Expensive escort. Kinda ok, and professional, but the whole thing felt artificial. She was stunning, the place was nice, and the sex was well choregraphed by her…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 10:09 AM
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aking her stressed and fighting with her has gone away but he is NOT gone away, he is still there, likely fighting for custody and getting it, at least partially. WHich either means a long and brutal custody battle and THEN Child Support battle and then visits, or at the most optimistic a 50/50 custody split which means she has to deal with him at least bi-weekly. Divorcing a man does not instantly kill him, he is still around, but this time enraged and at your throat about custody and/or money.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 09:45 AM
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but divorcing that man makes it actually much worse than being stuck with him. The woman gets 200% more stress and fights, but 0% help.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 07:06 AM
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the key is they THINK they are competing, but are actually just spectators, and thus, irrelevant to the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 06:15 AM
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In most cases, guys do not compete actually. Either the woman actually found a guy she definitely wants, and thus competition is mostly pointless (because he won), or she haven't and there is no competition really (just hopeless lame-ass orbiters that you brush aside).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 07:04 PM
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I dunno, ask the men who complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:16 PM
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Statistics show that most women like the lean-muscular look, with the character of Tyler Durden from Fight Club being considered the absolute most attractive physique ever. So, not huge and muscular, not roided out, but low BF% and good-ish muscle definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:38 AM
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otoh, most people are not very good employees, so no wonder they can't get a good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:00 AM
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Im in the second group you described (relatively attractive but VERY extrovert/strong game). The dark side of it is that monogamy and relationships are difficult, because you dont magically stop being good at game when you settle down. The opportunity to cheat is always there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:58 AM
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Vast majority are, and there are plug vasectomies like RISUG, literally designed for that purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:15 AM
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im 36 and been living the Chad lifestyle for almost 20 years now. Don't speak to me about ancient Chad magic, I was there when it was written. Love and monogamy is completely unrelated. Ive been with women I loved, and who loved me back. We fucked others on the side, or sometimes together. We have been to swinger orgies, had threesomes and couple-swaps. Only mae our love stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:14 AM
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gyno-centric: focused on women. This does not mean women are treated well, just that the society is focused on them (which includes controlling them!).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:10 AM
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by all means, do your thing between yourselves, as long as you don't bother anybody. Just don't complain if it does not work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:08 AM
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and the boys as well, ironically. See the worst example: ISIS. A perfect case of literal patriarchs using a gynocentric bait to lure stupid young men into an insane and suicidal ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 09:58 PM
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Id say we go the opposite direction and ABOLISH MONOGAMY. Void the idea of marriage, and soft regulate or discourage monogamous/jealousy-based ideology completely. Its a sick system that is basically a form of religion that worships jealousy and insecurity. Monogamy is shackling society to its most vile incels. Lets make sex absolutely casual, like a high-five. THAT is the only thing that might, just by accident, lift some people out of incelism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 09:56 PM
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Our society is BOTH gynocentric AND patriarchal. Men rule the world, and their world revolves around women, because men are obsessed with women. Men gather power, money, influence and social clout to buy their way into sexual relationships with women. Imagine if you will, a country where only gay people live. It would have no reason for either patriarchy or gynocentrism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 09:48 PM
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These guys are not big, but instead look chiseled. Dude, these guys lift, do HIIT and cardio ATOP of a good diet. Yes, women, especially young attractive women prefer lean guys with an ottermode shredded physique. Such physique is created at the gym, at the track, and at the kitchen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 10:40 PM
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guy here: In today's economy, and given the future ehmm...troubles we will face, it is absolutely idiotic to be dependent on another person for income and survival. We are on the brink of an economic, political and social shitstorm, and every person alive should have at least some basic skill and possibility of supporting themselves when the shit hits the fan.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 10:36 PM
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no sex IN a relationship is eas to handle but you hate to truly beleive, understant and practice the idea that this is not a sexual relationship. Dont hope, don't flirt, don't suggest, limit physical constact to purely platonic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:30 PM
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as far as we know Gandalf never had sex in the millenia he lived, and sure kept busy in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:20 PM
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I think it might be possible. Im on a 6th month of voluntary celibacy (I can get laid with some effort, but simply im not in the headspace for this bullshit). First 2 months were hard, third month I don't ever masturbate, women are basically like small beardless men to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:18 PM
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the ONLY solution to this whole problem is if all men got reversible vasectomies at 18 and only had them reversed after they and a woman sing a Parenting Contract PRIOR to the child even being conceived. Every other solution is just band-aid.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:16 PM
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there won’t be a supply of men to meet the demand from women. THAT is exactrly the point, if supply of men does not meet the demand the value of men would grow due to scarcity. ​ But tell me how you are going to keep boys from being born, without any laws or regulations? Cultural encouragement. See China: then keep aborting girls and focusing on boys without any government encouragement, reverse of that can easily be done in a Feminism oriented society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:33 AM
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basic supply-demand economics?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:28 AM
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this IS normal society. For 99.99% of human race's history, there was a massive sexual inequality between men. We only had a short period of relative ly neforced monogamy and equality between 1900 and 1960s Its just the disparity now is due to womens choice not because of patriarchy and power games between men. Desperate simps are a problem because we raise boys to crave at all times and worship monogamous relationships. Guys are oversexualised and bored with life, hence they hyper-focus on puss…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 07:02 PM
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Most people are straight, so logically women and men have equal dry spells on average. Men are just less likely to practice sexual self-control (Im a guy, I should know). The problem is not that women have low standards and would bang a handsome Nazi, the problem is that men allow their dicks to be in charge and thus infalte female ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:20 PM
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Sure, not literally everybody can do it, nothing ever works for everybody, male or female. But the vast majority of men can lift themselves out of "sexual poverty" and into a status of average sexual normality (5-7 sexual partners in their life, the last being their wife). With only a bit more effort the same men can get ito double digits and at least some casual sex, and frankly for most men this is MORE than they even need. Look at the life of average guys. Average man sleepwalks into pussy ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:17 PM
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he might not be capable of anything that is useful to women though. Men are excellent at wasting their potiential on things that do not improve their life or make them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:10 PM
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totally disagree. For men "harder you work the better your results will be" is 100% true in the dating world, it is simply that the treshold for "hard enough work" is higher than most men think. For most men its just a case of hittign the gym HARD, changeing their style and wardrobe, and traineing their social skills HARD, all for about 6-8 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:17 PM
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because it would be pointless and hypocritical? Men would gladly fuck a Neonazi woman if she was hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:04 PM
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nice guys still need to be actually capable of things to be attractive. If you are nice but cant fuck well, dont make good money, cant hold a conversation etc, what is the niceness good for? How do you even express niceness if you cannot actually DO anything useful?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:03 PM
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Maybe its a nuance, but its more about "capability" not "power". Capable men are attractive. Capable EVIL men are attractive, begrudgingly. Capable GOOD men are very attractive. Incapable men are unattractive even if they are good, because they are functionally useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:01 PM
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encouragement? Lets say we promote the idea that women should only have daughters, because men suck and boys will grow to be men: number of men will drop, thus balancing supply and demand between sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:49 AM
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Option 1: reduce the number of men by 90%. Either via selective aboriton, or some pill that makes women unable to conceive a male child. ​ Option 2: Reduce male libido via medication, until it is noticeably lower than that of women. ​ Option 3: Find the gene responsible for male homosexuality, and use CRISPR to encourage it in newborn boys, until about 90% of men are gay or at least bi.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:44 AM
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how do you play video games then? Do you fall apart every time a miniboss kills you? Dating is the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:41 AM
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Mostly agree. I suffer from severe ADHD, and thus Im unable to fear rejection of feel approach anxiety. This got me laid even when I was fat and ugly, I simply tried and tried and tried until I was succesful. Probably had less than 100 to 1 approach-success rate, but simply plowed forward with 102 approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:33 AM
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We prefer women who are attractive, slim, optimistic, full of energy and flirty. In most cases these women tend to be under 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:31 AM
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Im not sure If I follow. If these women WANT to take care of their house and kids, they should not be paid for it, its their own choice for their own satisfaction. If they DON't WANT to, they should hire someone. If they only KINDA WANT to, but also want to be compensated for it, and also want the husband to pitch in, now, this is just a scam to be paid for their own psychological fetish. I dont have a problem with women getting compensated for housework, except its stupid (financially) on both …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 12:15 PM
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no, both partners should pitch in to pay for housework they should not waste time doing. If you have a decent-ish paying job, its an absurd waste of your time and energy to clean your own toilet or do your own dishes. THats not frugality, thats pointless torture that makes you tired and less effective at the work you are actually qualified for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:36 AM
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agreed, they should, and then the free market should regulate the prices. IMHO, if the extra housework and childcare is priced high enough that it makes sense to just pay a professional to do it cheaper, and presumably just as good, why not? If the quality of her housework and extra childcare is not on par with a professional, again, no sense of doing it, she would be better off taking a part time or full time job and paying for a professional anyway; at least stuff would be done well, and she w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 07:47 AM
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what are you on about? Life is intrinsically unfair, on atomic level. Sexes are not equal and their opporutnities are not equal. That is how nature works. Yes, guys have to work for it and improve, while girls don't. So? Yes, ugly and average guys have to work harder than rich and handsome guys, so? Life is not supposed to be fair,and dating is a free market. Improving to the pojnt you can get laid/relationships is HARD but not DIFFICULT. Its a simple process that just takes determination and ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 07:46 AM
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true definitely not true. Cold approach is much better than apps, and can deliver more success than you reaonably need, if your goal is a monogamous LTR. true, and you do not have to do that. sure, but the learning curve here is very promissing, even a month of two of actively practicing Game at every opportunity, plus looks-maxxing to your current max potential is easy enough to get laid/relationship. Not true, if you treat the Game as a game. Its not different from I dunno, Dark Souls or somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:33 PM
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I think its the main failing of the Progressive Left movement: they failed to realise that people, especially men, are far less motivated with disincentives (punishment, scorn, cancelling etc) and far more motivated by incentives (rewards, pleasures, benefits etc). You cannot threaten men into cooperation, you can only bribe them, and the lifestyle moder society offers us is not really attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:13 PM
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there is no benefit for men in doing so, so they won't. No incentive, no action. So we end up in a situation where men simply "retired" as the dominant sex rather than sharign tasks equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:31 PM
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we are all (men and women) less happy, more depressed, more likely to have mental disorders, earn less, become independent later, cheat more often, remain involuntarily single longer, and commit suicide more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:28 AM
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if we have actually realsitic sex ROBOTS, we would by the same logic have functional humanoid worker robots, and this will transform society so much nobody will even care about sexbots.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:17 AM
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which is true. Sturgeon's Law says "90% of everything is crud" which includes men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:01 AM
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there is only a small subset of men who are both attractive, and good men. SO basically for a woman the options are: - attractive man, and thus, sex life - good man, and thus partnership - wealthy/financially nimble man, and thus security and comfort. You can only pick two at best. To get all 3 the woman would have to be almost supernaturally attractive and a shrewd relationship strategist as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:59 AM
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Most do get loyalty and sex, seeing as men cheat way more than women. not really. The gap is quickly closing, and for under 30 people its the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:55 AM
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those things are not contradictory. Women get poorer after divorce, but still get undue sums from their exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:54 AM
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Maybe if they stepped up sex would be an issue? in a way, we would be too tired to want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:52 AM
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so then, why its overwhemlingly women who push for marriage? For men marriage seems like another task to complete, for women it is often presented as a dream come true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:51 AM
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sure. With no prior education or training in that field.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:49 AM
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its not about marriage, tis about divorce. Rich people can afford it and survive. Poor people have no wealth to be destroyed, so they either do not divorce or do it semi-amicably, there is nothign to fight for except maybe child custody. Divorce however, can completely annihilate a Middle Class man, and cripple a Middle Class woman's financial life for decades, regardless who "wins". Hence, people who are MD and thus the backbone of the economy, culture and socierty, do not get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:47 AM
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There is a whooping 7 billion of us, way, way, way more than possibly needed to continue our species. We will be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:43 AM
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and good riddance. Marriage is basically sexual Sovietism "to each prole according to their need". Marriage is against natural selection, which is casuing a steady social decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:42 AM
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Single men, well, men in general put far less effort into building deep and long lasting friendships with people, with their family and with fellow men. Its one idea that falls under "toxic masculinity" that turns out to be true; modern men (basically men after 1950s) are socialised against showing their emotions and bonding with other men, and require all the emotional connection from their wife/GF. WIthout a wife/GF, they have nobody to share their life with. Look at the litarature and diaries…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:32 AM
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In general its about MONEY. In a Leftist society, men are milked for their hard earned money worse than in a Rightist society. So of course men support (often begrudingly) the ideology that does not want to redistribute their wallet. Things will change once women take over 50% of the jobs and start being bled financially by leftist policies (ie: needs of other women). Things will sharply change.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:23 AM
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its more complex, the left is by design hostile to towards power and achievement, and men usually are the ones to have it. Powerless under-achieving men ten to gravitate towards the Left or far Right in desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:16 AM
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we also see that men losing power had not improved society, and if anything made things worse. Which obviously makes both sexes unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:14 AM
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No, I make them guess. They guess wrong and I tell them Im FAR older than that, usually exaggerate to the point of ridiculousness (gurl, I could be your dad!) Im actually almost 10 years older than I look like (37, they mostly guess 27). IMHO, you should never give women straight and closed answers, this kills the conversation.
/r/seduction01/08/22 01:09 PM
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sure, but you can do both? OLD is really low effort high reward thing.
/r/seduction20/07/22 07:32 AM
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Yeah, first date lay is possible, but it is not contingent to continuous lays. BlackDragon did a bit fo a research on this. If you want just ONS, go ahead, go for a lay on first date. But if you want a regular FB skip sex on the fist day and build rapport, get laid on the second, third, one hundred seventh etc.
/r/seduction20/07/22 07:31 AM
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- have the absolutely best professionally made pictures that show you look good and do fun stuff with other people. - don't blast-swipe, actually pay atention to swipe only on those women you actually would want, and who look liek they would want you. - short quirky bio that is designed to evoke questions - keep convos short and push for the date nonchalantly - don't try to go for a lay on first date, keep it brief, meet for a coffee during the day, focus on harmless and fun using Daygame skills…
/r/seduction19/07/22 07:59 AM
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Bantering is one thing Bantering is EXACTLY how men shit-test one another. Its good natured but shows who can take it without insult and who is a pansy.
/r/seduction15/07/22 01:59 PM
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You know what? I love all of you dumb cunts in this thread. WHy? because I can shit-talk you all I want and your mofos would love it, just like your Mum loved my sausage last night. Someone takes offense? Gee, what a snowflake, definitely not oen of my favourite dumb cunts anymore. (This was written to show a general principle of Guy Talk being a form of continuous shit-test. But I meant 10000 % of it!)
/r/seduction15/07/22 01:57 PM
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plus, with online dating, PUA game must focus on 1st date stuff not on cold approach stuff. THe basic "game" that allows one to get good at Tinder can be explained in 5 minutes, the main thing now is to how transaltethe first meeting into sex/relationship.
/r/seduction14/07/22 10:57 AM
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the newest cohort of men (low 20s) are very culturally different: more fatalistic, more effeminate, easy giving up. THe PUA movement rose in the 1990s where Self-Improvement was the new religion for men. Now its self-pity, and learned helplessness.
/r/seduction14/07/22 10:54 AM
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you Beta-ed the shit out of it. she's more attracted to the avoidant types of guys", but you somehow decided to play it the exact opposite way. Oh well, my dude, don't fret. There will be a new day, a new girl and a new opportunity.
/r/seduction30/06/22 01:06 PM
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the idea that any man can get a good amount of women THe idea is rather than most men can be happy in reltionships with women, quality over quantity. Most men fuck about 5-7 women and marry the last. This is more than sufficient to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:57 AM
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The fact that men increasingly need to reach a certain level of success to get any attention but is that true? Do we have any statistics to back it up? AFAIK, level of success (financial) had actually dropped as an important factor since 1950s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:54 AM
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The Basic Standard Guy Who Gets Laid: - not fat - average height - clean - neurotypical (or if not, at least socially aware enough to hold a conversation) - fits standard definition of male fashion - sufficient income to be independent + >1% savings - has his own place/rents - has a car that looks safe and clean ​ Just for comparison, this is what a random Average Man looks like: https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/man-his-mid30s-poses-studio-600w-385823128.jpg and this is the Average Mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:49 AM
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99.99% of marriages are between average men and average women, and produce average children. An average man fucks 5-7 women in his life, roughly between 16th and 27th year of his life, and marries the last, then has about 2 kids with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:37 AM
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honstly, no. There is almost no corelation between woman's attractiveness and her standards, its completely random.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:35 AM
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so you basically try to harmlessly befriend them? You are supposed to use game and flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:34 AM
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games and porn addiciton starts much earlier than the most optimistic estimate of first dating. Most boys already are hooked on video games by the age of 10, and hooked on porn around 14. Since most guys lose their virginity well after 16, this means they already approacht he world of datign as porn and games addicts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:31 AM
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yes and no. Pick a specific niche and you will get laing esier and quicker. Its a difference between a perfect optimal strategy that would work on majority, and a sub-optimal strategy that works reliably on a steady minority. Example: I focus on introvert goth/scene/metalhead/BDSM-scen chicks, and geared my looks/game towards that. This is not an optimal strategy to get most women, but its an easy strategy to get more dates and more sex than I actually can realistically need or have use for.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 01:24 PM
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funny, being a great storyteller, being confident, pursuing and experiencing fun things, e are all learnable skills, you can literally go out and take classes whith coaches that would teach you, watch instructional videos and read books on it until you are proficient. Nobody is born being funny, or good storyteller or acting with confidence, we mostly learn through trial and error, usually in our early teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:31 AM
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that does not mean he is not intelligent. Scamming people actually takes a lot of cleverness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:27 AM
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I understand the problem you are describing, but I think you are missing the point. Socially intelligent people do not automatically know what to do in social situation, but they learn on their mistakes and adjust. Like you said, sometimes people only want to vent and seek emotional support, and not a logical solution to their problem. A rational intelligent person would only make the mistake of offering a logical solution once or twice, and then learn to tell from social cues which answer is co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:08 AM
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I have a MD in archaeology and worked for Uni then for a local museum for a while, so pretty much all my friends have MDs at least and well above average intellligence, and plenty have skills and accomplishments that hint at easily over 130 IQ. So by default, I work with men (and women) who were in the top 3% of those who graduated with Masters Degree and were good enough to be immediately employed by the most prestigious institution in my city. Pretty much none of them are autistic-like antisoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:00 AM
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She's dating a dumb guy who makes a lot of money Chances are, the guy is actually really smart, just not nerdy. Making a lot of money takes a lot of intelligence, usually applied to strategy, long term thinking, social manipulation (and thus, Other Mind Simulation), rapid decision making, information gathering and parsing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 11:02 AM
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moreover, intelligent people are also mosre socially intelligent, and know how to solve social game problems (and thus appear charismatic).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:59 AM
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Intelligence is applying your reasoning skills to solve difficult problems. If simple social rituals are above your skills then you are not really intelligent, just nerdy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:56 AM
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I noticed the absolute opposite. The more intelligent the man is, the usually more socially intelligent he is as well, and thus better at socialising or flirting with women. But the curious thing is, the most intelligent guys are usually not the ones iwth the absolute highest n-count, but those whos relationships are the best and happiest (highest quality releationship with a highest quality woman they can find). There is this insidious and stupid idea, perpetrated by media and now TRP, that int…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:53 AM
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I wastly prefer social networks game. I use cold approaches only occasionally, and usually when Im already socialising with my people anyway. Online dating? Almost never use it. I stilll have the accounts on the top 5 major apps and swipe/send on a lazy sunday afternoon, but this is just a way to pass the time.. I've been with 27 women, 20 from social connections, 5 from cold approaches, 2 from OLD. Social game usually leads to long term FWB or long term LTRs, so you literally no longer have tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:04 PM
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lol dude if you think getting hot women is harder than getting average women you are really inexperienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:59 PM
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but if you have hypergamy + tradtional married monogamy, then the situation becomes hopeless for everyone but the richest Chads. In this scenario, not only is hypergamy real but you also have one shot at happiness ... at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:17 PM
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Are you on drugs? 1 in 10 is fantastic. You can easily approach 10 attractive women in one Friday Night, and if one fucks you/ ends up in a FWB/LTR with you, youre golden. And who said about workingyour ass off? Approaching women is FUN, its part of socialising like a healthy human being/.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:15 PM
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traditional community values are the backbone of hypergamy that destroyed us all, so Im not sure we should prop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:56 AM
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which is kinda obvious, since the vast majority of men get in relationships, have sex, have kids and become dads to the next generation. Completely average man using his average wits and meagre "seduction skills" statistically stumbles into new pussy about 6 times in his life, the last one being his future wife's. Cannot be that hard to do then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:54 AM
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bullshit. Basic game works very well, but it is not magic. You still need to get fit, groom-up, looksmax and socialise. Good players have a success rate of around 10%, and that is absolutely enough to be happy, in a real life/real world scenario, where you have other things to do beside chaisng pussy. Besides, statistically most men have sex/relationship with 5-7 women and marry the last one. This easily fills most of their adult life with relationships. So the situation is not as grim as RP wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:51 AM
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if you are basically an undercover Chad who got suddenly revealed when losing some body fat and getting a new hairstyle. IMHO, at least 20% of men could be that, if they lost weight/gained confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:41 AM
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You got it wrong. Hard work still works, except guys these days either: - are weak willed manchildren who barely even realise how much work is truly HARD work. Almost everything worth doing is at least 60% harder to achieve than your most pessimistic estimate: be it working out, learning Social Game, making money etc - they completely miss the point early on and invest all their efforts in the wrong kind of activity, usually nerdy erzatses of the real thing. So yes, they are doing hard work, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:40 AM
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You know that gay guys and asexual guys lift too?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:35 AM
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but it is related. We lost sight of what "normal male physique" even is. About the last few men who look "natural fit" are ppl like young construction workers and farmhands: guys who do hard physical labor outside but rarely can afford the gym. They have low BF and long, lean muscle: how homo sapiens male should look like. Now, you either have flabby fat guys, or skinny-fat guys, or onthe opposite end, impossibly ripped gymbros. So given that choices, women prefer the gymbros of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:34 AM
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There is an increase in super buff guys but also a tremendous decrease in average-buff guys. Around 1950s, pretty much every man alive had a flat stomach, visible muscle, and could easily benchpress their own weight. HS boys on PE would daily perform fits that now would qualify you for the Marines. Now that level of fitness is gone, so there is very few naturally fit guys. Just a sea of fat or skinny fat men and then occasional gymbro who goes out of his way to be more ripped than humanly necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:28 AM
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height is actually not that important unless you are well below , or well above average. Its an advantage, yes, but not a tremendous one except for edge cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:19 AM
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nah, you miss the point of lifting completely. Just be Bradd Pitt in Fight Club for the sake of being awesome. If women become interested in you as well? Cool. If not? You are still fit, capable and strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:18 AM
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as a man who is at the exact opposite end of this argument, I agree 100%. Going to the gym actually ruined my last relationship with a couch-potato girl. Half of it was incompatible lifestyles, the other half was envy/jealousy once I became much more fit and good looking than she was.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:15 AM
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exactly. Also, a quick shout-out to my office-working bros who lift occasionally: work on your glutes. Sitting at work for most of the day ruins your posterior muscles which is the major contributor to lower back pain. Work that ass, unless you want one day to bend over pop your spine discs right off.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:12 AM
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also, dad bod cannot be maintained unless you work out or at least do a lot of physical activity. Without it, the muscles will atrophy, and you end up skinny fat or just fat (most likely). The legendary "Dad Strength" that many of us witnessed watching our Dads is simply that previous generation Dads used to have good physique, which they sort of maintained by daily physical chores aroudn the yard, blue collar jobs, working at the farm etc. My Dad for example (57) never saw the inside of a gym b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:07 AM
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running, cyccling, hiking without any workout that creates muscular overload is not going to form a healthy body or a healthy looking physique. Over time, you will end up being a skinny-fat lollipop of a man, with long skinny llegs, flabby armsd, and a beer-belly, because your core muscles atrophied from lack of use. You do not need to literally go lift at the gym. You can do calisthenics or HIIT. But the point is: focusing on cardio and skipping muscular training is just as bad as the reverse, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:02 AM
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more likely explanation is that amost nobody is putting the effort. I mean: - 73% of women prefer lean-muscular or natural looking fit men - Over 75% of men are overweight and obese. Makes absolutely no sense. Why even be a heterosexual man AND fat at the same time? Losing fat is just putting effort, quite literally. Its not face, or height, or even hygiene,its fat that women find the most off-putting, and men KNOW this. ANd yet, they would rather munch on Cheetos than go to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:54 AM
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the problem is, most men do not realsie that the things we do to "impress women" are good by themselves, and beneficial to you. EVEN IF WOMEN DID NOT EXIST, men still should lift, get fit, make money, be social, have adventures, and be passionate about stuff; because all of that things are rewards by themselves, not just because they get you pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:50 AM
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Its a niche vs popularity thing. Women who are into a very specific niche kind of a guy, are much MORE into that kind of a guy, than women who are into cokkie-cutter attractive Chads. Most likely because it is based on a subconscious fetish not on physical attraction. For example, over 73% of women prefer lean muscular look, which makes sense. Not bulky, but lean-strong (think Tyler Durden or Spider-Man). But they don't always stick to datign guys with that look, its sort of a masturbatory ideal…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:47 AM
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a bit absurd, but this is not true. The fatter and older the woman, the more she is into bulky, jacked men. Weirder still women who are into bulky men consider strong-fat men almost as attractive (6% votes) as jacked-strong men (10.1%). THe skinnier the woman the skinnier men she likes as well. Only about 11% of women like skinny guys, but almost all of them are low BF themselves. The entire rest of womanhood almost uniformly prefers lean-muscular men (73% in all studies). The must upvoted examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:43 AM
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Multiple face blind studies prove that over 73% of women prefer the lean-muscular look, examplified by Brad Pitt/Tyer Durden in Fight Club. So neither skinny nor jacked, just in the middle , with low BF. So neither Momoa/Hemsworth or Hiddleston/Cumberbatch are good examples. You still need to be jacked, just not overly so. If attracting women is your goal, then "ottermode" build or slightly bulkier is good, anything abovie that point is only likley to impress other guys not women. Myself, I alwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:35 AM
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neither of you is strictly correct. Multiple face blind studies prove that over 73% of women prefer the lean-muscular look, examplified by Brad Pitt/Tyer Durden in Fight Club. SO neither skinny nor jacked, just in the middle , with low BF.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:30 AM
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Yeah, but if you go back past 1960s, most men were fit. Not ripped, just lean and healthy looking. So the landscape was absolutely different
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:14 AM
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actually prefer a much more natural fit and healthy looking body. which by itself requires far more physical activity than most men do. For those of us who do not work on the farm, getting "natural fit" stil means going to the gym and eating healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:12 AM
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nah, but gym or calisthenics are most likely most efficient routes to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:09 AM
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>. If I remember correctly most girls were fawning over Brad Pit in FightClub but these days I can imagine his build being laughed at for beingskinny. Funny you mention that because current studies conclude that 73% of women consider that look SPECIFICALLY to be the absolute hottest bod man can have, both in theoretical questionaires and when shown a headless photo from that movie. Tyler Durden reigns supreme in female sexual imaginations, even among women who are not old enough to have seen tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:07 AM
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Two, actually: Main: archaeologist. secondary: sales mediation on comission (paper industry)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 09:15 AM
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Im in an Open Realtionship, and have been for almost 20 years, so let me explain: - yeah the guy must be a bit of a Chad, or at least very Alpha/Dominant personality to pull it off - women usually barely use their right to open their side of a relationship, and half of the time their BF/husband has to be their wingman to jelp them even get side-dick at all. - most men in Open Relationships have more sex than their female partners have - the side-guys are often friends of the Main Guy (or become …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:43 PM
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Nah. The ideal is the "court marriage". Lifelong commintment to a good friend that you build financial stability and have children with, while both of you have discreet daliances for pleasure on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:31 PM
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So what really happens? The woman is getting dicked left and right by Chad, Tyrone, Enrique and Chang, or all of them simultaneously. While the guy spends his time chasing and texting meh looking girls for maybe a small chance they'll spread their legs this is a common misconception. In the VAST majority of cases, its the man in the open relationship who gets more action, simply because he works for it. Women, including women in open relationships, are shy to initiate. Vast majority of women in …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:21 PM
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In the vast majority of open relationships, the men have more sexual partners than their women, simply because men more proactively initiate. THis is true for open relationships, for swingers, and (to some degree) with poly people. Sure, a woman would have much eaiser time finding a guy for a side fuck, but statistically she won't actively do anothing to get one. Source: Been in open relationships for over 20 years, and a swinger for 10 years. The women I have been with usually put zero effort i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:14 PM
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I have been in both kinds, the ratio of failure is similar in both mono and open relationships. About 6 out of 7 relationships fail just about for everybody, except some of us die of old age before the last one manages to fail. MOST relationships fail and people need a lot of time to mature to even be in a long term relationship (open or closed one). And even then, most relationships between mature and reasonable folk can fail due to unsolvable problems. Important note: there is on real causal r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 01:07 PM
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what? 10% success rate means that you are pretty much guaranteed that every 10th woman you chat up will end up sleeping with you. Its easy to casually, almost lazily fit approaching 5 women on Friday night, 5 women on Saturday night. Means you succed at least once a week, 52 times a year. And lets not even start with OLD. IF you have 10% success rate on Tinder you probably die of sexual exhaustion within a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 12:48 PM
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some are skinny out of shape basement dwellers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:43 AM
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every once in a while we have a "comment with a photo" post. Majority of guys here are either fat fucks or skinny fucks, or skinnyfat fucks, and those are the ones who dared to post their pic, many are likely worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:42 AM
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yeah, the first 4 months are usually the greatest when it comes to visual results.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:39 AM
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rejected by 90% of women means he has a 10% success rate, which is AMAZING.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:30 AM
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the main reason is that most men who claim to GTOW do not actually do anything with their lives, they are not going their way, because there is no way. And on the other hand, men who succesfully GTOW often end up attracting women, and thus end up no longer interested in MGTOW ideology. Basically, the problem is: unsuccesful whiny losers are annoying, and succesful MGTOWs usually have no reason to participate in this debates.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 07:12 AM
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I meant that most men liek being hit on. Besides, most women like being hit on, by attractive men. How else do you think people get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 01:11 PM
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Im 7/10 average height, 36yo: I have been picked up by women a bunch of times, but almost always these were the women I would apporach myself anyway. Not just because I found them attractive, but also because they genuinely seemed approachable. Its just that they managed to make the first move slightly before I decided to make mine. My theory is that people who are compatible instinctively notice oen another in the crowd, and the rest just depends who moves first, but the outcome is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 12:50 PM
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because we know we like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 12:47 PM
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Men have issues with getting custody this is the giant elephant in the room that trumps all other considerations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 12:43 PM
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With both genders, people who are 6/10 or 7/10 are Peak Personality. Above that and they are fucked by their own Halo Efect. Below that, they are fucked by their own insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 11:58 AM
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given the obesity epidemic, yeah, you can lose your mobility at 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 09:24 AM
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not at all. Men are only valued for things they provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 09:22 AM
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Are you sure these are the same women? What is more likely that ONE group of women claim they do not need male attention, and THE OTHER group of women complain about guys going after young girls. You just conflated separate sets.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 09:20 AM
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Doesn’t a woman with a high n count directly result in a higher chance for marriage infidelity? higher by what factor? 3% 5%?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 06:50 AM
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of course, but this is not what I advocate. What I mean, is to not quit on a woman who is not "girlfriend material" is she is still a perfectly good fuckbuddy or just a platonic friend who just happens to be a woman. Its not like romantic relationship is our ultimate goal, it is perfectly ok to have casual relations and many friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 09:01 PM
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of course it is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 12:41 PM
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Yes, by far and extremely so. Women's desires are pretty reasonable, most women (75% to be exact) prefer a lean and lightly muscular men with low, but not too low, body fat. Which is how a human male IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. THis is our biologically evolved natural form, and one that is optimal for health. IMHO: if you are a guy and your Body Fat is more than 12% you loose all rights to complain about dating until you fixed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 12:36 PM
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IMHO, a man should only screen post-sex, unless the woman is obviously criminally insane. Fuck everyone you can, befriend only those you truly want, love only extremely rare few.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 12:27 PM
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OTOH, it is pretty inefficient to quit/ghost women who are into you. It makes more sense to reasign that relationship to casual friendship or casual sex instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 12:24 PM
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no, because he implies real harm, while infidelity only causes ideological harm. Stealing actually deprives someone of somethign real. Cheating only harms their ideology of monogamy. Ideology that is neither necessary nor beneficial, and the only argument for it are feefees of jealousy and insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 07:25 AM
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Fidelity agreement is not a contract in good faith, since its not something you are capable of really guarantee, nor beneficial. Its not immoral to break an immoral contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 07:21 AM
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no, because findelity/infidelity is not a moral issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 12:10 PM
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infidelity is not a crime because fidelity is not automatically good; its just a fetish type. That makes as much sense as saying its immoral to feed the wife a steak if her hubsand is vegan.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 12:09 PM
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Its not wrong because monogamy/fidelity is not automatically good. Its a lifesatyle choice. At worst it makes the woman in this scenario a liar, but given that the fidelity she promised is an unreasonable expectation, that is not a big moral issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 12:07 PM
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36 yo man here. It greatly depends on how you look like (esp fat %!) and your personality. Lots of couples form in that age bracket. Some practical advice I can give you: - put maximum effort into your fitness, slimness and good looks. You cannot fight ageing, but you can fight weight-gain. - practice your niceness and diplomacy. Attractive 30+ guys who are single either lived by themselves for over a decade, or are divorcees. They are not going to tolerate any negative bullshit at this point, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 11:38 AM
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the obvious way. I had a normal looking face and im 180cm tall, but was overweight and my face was bloated as well. I was always extrovert and outgoing with women, but it meant jack when I was fat. Went on a hardcore strict diet (super clean and strict Paleo, then Intermittent Fasting + Keto), and hardcore physical regimen (heavy weightlifting 5 times a week, 2 days of martial arts). It took about 2 years (from 30 to 31 yo), though the first 5 months were the most transformative, the rest was ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 09:19 PM
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my take is that you simply are considered a very fuckable guy, but zero boyfriend material. Therefore you only attract women wildly out of your age bracket who realistically could only use you for dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:49 PM
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huh. Makes sense actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:44 PM
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I have a bit unique perspective because I was unattractive in my 20s and then become attractive in my 30s, by a significant factor (went from lower 5/10 to 7/10, possibly 8/10 on a good day). Between age 30 and 35 I got laid and possitive attention mostly from women around 25. Women my age, they started treating me...weirdly? Some got dismissive, some got almost hostile verbally. For some reason I became a butt of sexist jokes, and treated like I was a stupid meathead, even by female feriends wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:43 PM
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Whereas with a guy who you might not initially find attractive it usually takes time to get to know his personality and for his "good boyfriend traits" to start appealing to you and balancing out the less than optimal looks this is not how it works in real life. Not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:30 PM
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its because hot and pretty are different things. Hotness is mostly about animalistic atrraction to someone's sexual traits, even if this person is otherwise assymetrical, weird looking, or plain ugly. Good looks is more about aesthetic proportions, that have little to do with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:26 PM
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its because attractive does not = pretty. Especially for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:23 PM
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plus, Chads get poached for relationships ASAP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:20 PM
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exactly. And another thing: men who actually go the distance to have a high n-count devote an unreasonable amount of time to just.. chasing. THey don't even have more sex, a less count obsessed guy who just has FWBs probably has sex more often that a Chad who starts from scratch every day. So what Im trying to say is that stupidly high n-count is not a way to happiness, anything above 50 n-count is likely to be completely pointless chasing, detrimental to your happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:11 PM
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my score is 27, where does that put me?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:06 PM
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note however, that these men chose to devote a huge amount of their time to datign women. It is completely possible that a guy who looks exactly liek them could get married to his 3rd GF and quit the scene. So, we should not only cosider their ability, but also their willingness to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:06 PM
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im 27 count at 35 yo. Its not very high, but even the most handsome and active guys rarely go above 50 due to logistics alone. THe amount of time and effort spent on gettign close to 30-50 partners feels like a second job and not much fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 12:01 PM
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Im a chad-ish dude and 27 count at 35yo already meant I wasted more time on cheating, lying, and logistical hurdles than I care to. I think your numbers are correct, 30-50 for a true Chad is probably normal, anything abve that point is honestly wasteful, you would get more fun and more sex and more happiness by focusing on the FWB/LTRs you already have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 11:59 AM
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Im probably a 7/10 dude. Look kinda like a vaguely viking-ish version of Simon Baker. Ottermode fit, extrovert. My body count at 35yo is 27 women. With some effort I think I could push it to maybe 40 women, If I followed on all the opportunities I had. But honestly, that would make almost no sense. even at the relatively modest n-count I had, It sometimes felt like Im wasting time chasing new tail. I often asked myself; why do I even go out and try to woo another woman, if I already have an equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 11:52 AM
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Q4W: what is your opinion on body hair /pubic hair on a man? Let it grow? Shave? Trim?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 07:18 AM
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the study was anonymous though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 06:53 AM
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I assume they simply admit more, not cheat more. The number of cheaters is definitely greater for both genders anyway, men are just slightly more secretive about it when they are young, and far less when they are older and don't give a fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 09:37 PM
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also, if you had not looksmaxed yet, and complain about not having casual sex....just shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:52 PM
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sure, but you only need a few people to agree to this, not the whole society. Its not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:44 PM
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why should we give a fuck about society?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:42 PM
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why? How is that even relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:40 PM
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be real and include the whole info. This is only true for the lowest age bracket, and the difference is 1%. For every toher age group men cheat much more https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:38 PM
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<sup>Skentelbery, Sara G., and Darren M. Fowler. 2016. “Attachment Styles of Women-Younger Partners in Age-Gap Relationships.” Evolutionary Behavioral Sciences 10 (2</sup>: 142–47. ))
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:28 PM
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it might seem so, but the statistics disagree. Over 25% of women are attracted to men 10 or more years older than they are, and it is a preference which was found unrelated to wealth disparity, father related issues or negative cultural stereotypes.* So, It is quite probable for any given society to actually have MORE young women who find older men attractive than older men willing and able to date them. <sup>*Skentelbery, Sara G., and Darren M. Fowler. 2016. “Attachment Styles ofWomen-Younger P…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:26 PM
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sure, but less likely because its pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:18 PM
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that does not change the fact that the functional intelligence of an autistic person is going to be lower. Sure, an autistic person might score high on a standard (oer non standard) IQ test, but life is not an IQ test. Its a series of time sensitive and outcome dependent tasks to be achieved within a framework of society, which is something autism does not help with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:18 PM
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yes, he is, see explanation. MEDIAN man is 5. Average man is 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 01:15 PM
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You did not understood my comment. If you judge people evenly you judge the MEDIAN not the AVERAGE. MEDIAN is NOT AVERAGE. The guy who is at the exact middle between ugly and cute is not average. The Average Guy is the one who's attractivness is between the best and the worst of possible attractivness traits, not possible guys in the set. Why is that so? beause attractiveness traits are not linnear. Attractive man can go much more further from the baseline median than an ugly man goes in reverse…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 06:15 AM
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a while ago most people believed the Earth was flat, mice were spontanously generated by old haystacks, and that lefthandedness is immoral. We should not put any stock in what most people agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:32 PM
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plus, AFAIK, BF around 10-12% with lean muscle, and the kind of gym/diet regimen one needs to maintain it, is actually the optimal solution for your health, your heart, longevity, your joints, stamina etc. If you drop your BF or raise your muscle mass above it you face health issues down the line, if you get fatter or lose muscle you risk your cardiac health and joints as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:29 PM
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exactly. Relationships are temporary, have a specific purpose and a timeline, and that is absolutely alright. "Till death do us apart" is idiotic. Better is "till we accomplish a goal of rising kids to adulthood" or something equally measurable and sensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:23 PM
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yep, exactly. Proly not even below 10%, 10-12% is likely good enough. Bulking more than that or dropping BF below 8% .... you are doing it to impress other gym bros, ladies either don't care or are grossed out by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:22 PM
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even if we ignore women, this still holds true. Gay men find more or less the same guys attractive as women do, which hints at some universal aeasthetic standards that go beyond mating biology or culture. Male attractiveness is a right skewered distribution because masculine traits (height, size, muscles, symmetry, jawline etc) can be realisticlaly more exaggerated. Women can not realistically improve beyond a certain point that they can achieve fairly easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:20 PM
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what age group? Im 35 and almost invariably men my age are both better looking and more succesful than their wives/GFs. Often by such a significant factor that it causes strife in their relationships (jealousy, resentment, envy, paranoia about cheating etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:10 PM
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I think we should stop using "Average Man" the way we do. Obviously what everybody means is the Median Man, the one perfectly between ugly and cute. But an Average Man, is going to be like 7/10, becaus eattractiveness is not linnear but a complex exponential curve.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:08 PM
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Men know what kind of woman is average and what kind of woman is above average. Whereas women outright rate 90% of men below average ​ No, that makes no sense. Men might be better at guessing what kind of women are MEDIAN, but not average. We are animals, not triangles, and the metrics we use to judge attractiveness are not linnear but complex. It is completely possible for even 99.999% of men in a group to be below average WITHIN THE GROUP, not to mention vs national average. A simple example. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:06 PM
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The reverse was done and the majority of women said no to put it lightly. the fact that it was majority and not 100% is quite interesting, and should be a focus on a follow up study on the women who said yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:55 PM
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In your scenario, do we assume men get hypergamous as well, or stay polygynous? This completely changes the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:54 PM
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exactly. And its completely unecessary to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:51 PM
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several reasons: - curiosity: you want to smash different people to find out how it feels - changes in attraction: you married a husky blonde but became more attracted to skinny brunettes - you want to smash someone of different gender than your partner - you want to smash a third person TOGETHER with your partner. Sexual exlusivity is pointless and unnatural. Marriage is something you do to secure your finances , pay taxes together and raise children with someone you love or at least is your fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:50 PM
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TAXES.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:46 PM
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nah. Men still cheat a bit more, though the difference in shrinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:45 PM
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nah. The solution is to not expect or offer monogamy at all, thus making cheating irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:43 PM
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easy, don't expect or offer monogamy. If you INSIST on marriage then sign a prenup to make it sexually open. Boom, goes your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:42 PM
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Marriage is always a bad idea regardless of the legal circumstances. Its basically making a lifelong commitment to feel love: something you have no control over.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:38 PM
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nah, thats just bad economics. We need BETTTER tax payers. A guy who pays 100 000$ in tax yearly is better for the system than 10 guys who pay 10 000$ each. BTW, this is also an answer to the whole PPD debate on all fronts, we do not need as many men, we need men to be better. THere is a hyperinflation of available males, that is what causes all of these problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:51 AM
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a man can be a loser in several ways, not all of them equally bad or important: - overweight and unfit: physical loser - poor out of laziness/procrastination/stupid life's choices - socially inept due to social laziness in his youth - ideological loser: who believes in stupid, inane, boring or hateful crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:42 AM
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hey know old men aren’t all hitting on them with good intentions. they know that obviously these men hit on them in oder to haver sex with them, because they find their bodies arousing. Literally everyone knows that, and people who engage in such relationships should do that with that in mind. Pure, physical horniness for a younger woman is not "bad intentions". Its neutral intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:15 AM
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OTOH, is there any hard data that the inverse is true? Or just anecdotal?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:12 AM
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also an easy way to make her get UTI, banknotes are incredibly nasty and crawling with germs
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:10 AM
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if that is so, then what is the problem? If no young women are attracted to average middle aged men then this means this "predatory" dynamic never happens and the problem does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:09 AM
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yeah, but what is THE POINT? Why be with someone you do not find attractive (physically or emotionally)? What is the benefit? Thats just making some awkward make-believe theatrics with a person you dislike... why not be single and have friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:06 AM
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I mean, its obvious. Past 30, any woman you end up with is going to slowly lose her looks, its inevitable. It makes much more sense to pick someone you actually like as a person, because you will be waking up next to them for 50 years, long past the day when your dick no longer works. My grandpa's advice was to pick a woman who laughs at your jokes and knows how to make dumplings. Dumplings are difficult, if she can handle that, the rest is easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:01 AM
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one of the simplest explanations is that men tend to put enormous expectations on half-assed efforts. Most men have a crap profile pic, crap bio and weak initial lines, and simply blast hundreds of messages and thousands of right swipes. This obviously gets them nowhere. Meanwhile, a completely average looking guy who has an awesome profile pic and a clever bio will get 10x more matches than identical guy who half-assed his.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:37 AM
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everyone should realise that a relationship is not a mandatory thing, nor even a bonus to your happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:34 AM
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what makes you think people will quit using Tinder once they hit the wall though? I fully expect that people who use Tinder right now will be using it (or whatever App replaces it) when they are 40+. In fact, I would be not suprised if Tinder got a second wind once the cohort ages: since post-wall people drop their standards. Completely possible that 45+ women and men would just swipe right on everyone, then meet constantly and fuck like bunnies. What do the have to lose?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:30 AM
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bitterness does not help you at all, and is bad for your mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:25 AM
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this will not change their attraction standards though. At best it will make them begrudgingly settle, into a near sexless relationship with a non-sexy dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:24 AM
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no, but majority of them do. Ypur profile picture must be significantly better than what most men think is acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:21 AM
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also incredibly important: the quality of your profile pictures matter A LOT. This is the one time where half-assing is a terrible idea. A good picture can easily add 2 points on 1-10 scale. Before one even considers creatign an old profile, one shoudl have a picture in which - his grooming and hygiene are 100% - nice and trendly clothes that fit - good picture angle, distance, light, and background - the activity background of the pic should make you look sexy or cool or both. Unless you max ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:19 AM
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to some degree it also happens when the genders are reversed. Aged Chads tend to settle with a woman they are comfortable with, not necessarily a hottie. Source: am an aged Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:15 AM
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Most simply find someone IRL through social circles. Statistically, the vast majority of people end up in lifelong relationships, usually after 5-7 attempts with different people. Men who do not get any relationships with women arew NOT average, not even close. They are a statistical anomaly just like Chads, only on the opposite end.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 06:57 AM
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actually we can go even more precise than that when it comes to bodies: 75% of women prefer the lean-muscular look, and in face blind studies claimed that the body Brad Pitt had in Fight Club (as Tyler Durden) is by far the sexiest body type by a large margin. Just to compare, Ryan Raynolds heavy muscular body at his best only got 11%, and every other body type cut and pasted from a celebrity photo was far, far behind. SO it almost makes no sense for a man to work on any other kind of body than …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 06:44 AM
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everyone needs to improve, but men benefit most from it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:49 PM
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IMHO, the confusion comes from the fact that there are TWO types of good looks for men, the Pretty Boy look that some guys get in their late teens to early 20s, and the Masculine Man they get in their 30s or late 20s. Think young Justin Bieber vs current Jason Momoa. Or better yet, DiCaprio at 20 vs DiCaprio at 45. Almost no man can look overly masculine in their early 20s unless they spent their teens injecting copious amounts of testosterone. Inversely, almost no man will still be a Pretty Boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:19 PM
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underrated comment. There are actually 2 separate "good looks" for men, the pretty boy and the mature masculine badass, and the two are separated by over a decade. Some men naturally go from the one to the other and thus have two peaks, but this is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:11 PM
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Even when it comes to pure looks, and older guy can look better than a young guy. For one, it takes several years of trial and error and hard work to become physically athletic and lean. So realistically, a lot of men who start to take care of their bodies after highschool won't actually peak until late 20s. Moreover, testosterone changes male body long after puberty, and the changes are often slow. Many guys only start growing serious facial hair, or masculine javlines, or masculine levels of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:08 PM
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as a 35 yo man I appreciate your comment, though I think this only applies to men who take good care of their bodies. 25-35 is the decade when most men grow fat unless they take specific meausures not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 09:59 PM
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nah, its late 20s for men. Human males don't even end puberty until about 22, and then you still need to build up muscle, masculine facial features, some facial hair etc not to mention older guy's confidence, skills and learned charisma. Hell, most guys under 25 stil have acne.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 09:57 PM
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assuming a man takes good care of himself, then a guy in his late 30s would have over 2 decades to hone his muscles to perfection, his fashion and grooming to be top notch, his flirting game to be as good as it can be, and let go of childish insecurities. In that case the receiding hairline is a small price to pay. OTOH, most men fail to take care of themselves and turn into fat hobos by 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 09:55 PM
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Im male, 35 IMHO, most men and most women peak around 26 if they peak at all. Some rare (under 5%) of men peak around 30, especially guys who are naturally lean and late bloomers, and take more time to mature into a masculine look. A similarily small percent of women (usually Latino or Slavic) peak around 20 because they mature very quickly, but then they hit the wall very early as well. Lots of people don't have a peak though. People with very distinct features tend to be at the same level most…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 09:51 PM
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sure, why not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 08:27 AM
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extremely confident and charismatic usually gets laid easier than extremely hot, because women don't like to lead the interaction. A mediocre guy who is absolute powerhorse when it comes toflirting thus gets laid more than a timid and shy Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 08:04 AM
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if by "women" you mean girls 18-21, then maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 08:02 AM
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nah, its because looksmatched couples are most likely to stay together, but its not necessarily esier to start a relationship with your looksmatch. Most people have 5-7 partners in life and eventually settle with their looksmatch, but only after years of trial and error.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 07:57 AM
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you can get relationships with ok women but for casual sex you have to date down. ​ Not at all. Getting casual sex with more attractive women is not easier or harder; just requires slightly different skills. A man needs to be at least fuckable (ie: women can imagine having enjoyable sex with him) and the rest is charisma and skills, and mostly just confidence to power forward. If you are say, 7/10 man, then your options are every girl between 5 and 9, and it is completely random which one will b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 07:54 AM
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Honestly, I think charisma, extrovert behaviour and forwardness are actually more important than raw looks. Women extremely rarely approach or escalate, so it does not matter how attractive a man is, as long as he is at least fuckable: he still needs to do most of the work. An extremely extrovert alpha-type dude who is merely 7/10 is getting laid more than a timid and quiet 9/10 Chad, simply because the Chad fails to pull the trigger on most of his opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 07:47 AM
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there IS a small minority of men who hit their prime in their 30s, but this is mostly a combination of good genetics and working hard on your fitness/fashion/grooming. I met a few guys like that, and Im one myself, we make probably 3% of male population. All of us are naturally lean and used to be "baby faced", and did not start to fill in with muscle and masculine traits until about 26. Its definitely inheritable, both my grandafthers and my dad also were "late bloomers" who hit Chadness after …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 07:44 AM
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Im a 7/10 man nad have no problem landing a woman. What OP and guys like him fail to understand, is that seduction is fun, not a struggle. The standard process is like this: Man notices woman. Man chats the woman up. Man tries to flirt with the woman. Woman flirts back. Man escalates flirting to more and more sexual direction. Man and woman end up fucking, or dating, in which case the process starts again from 4. Now, the way OP and lots of Red Pillers act, is as if they wanted to jump from 1.) …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 07:28 AM
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If their BS credentials get them a job people pay for, then Free Market decided these jobs are not BS. If these women think they deserve highly credentialed partner and actually get that partner, Free Sexual Market decided they deserve it. If they don't get that partner, the Market will adjust after a while, with younger women having different expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 06:59 AM
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hard to say, vast majority of men do nothing to improve their chances, or only do random, half assed effort. For one, compare the facts that over 75% of women are attracted to lean muscular physique, while over 70% of men are overweight or obese. This right here proves that these men completely failed to improve on one of the most important metric when it comes to gaining attraction. A metric which is not only absolutely obvious, well known, and achievable to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 06:53 AM
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In fact, if you are good looking enough it is better to appear poor and harmlessly stupid as well. You automatically fliter for women who only want you for sex and don't bother you otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:56 PM
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I have only personal anecdote to share. Im relatiatively succesful with women on my own near-Chad looks levels and very high extrovertness. I never had the reason to display wealth, and always suspected it to be a bad idea.. So basically I was always practicing Stealth Wealth except for the parts that directly help me look good or get laid (gym, barber, decent clothes, cab fare, drinks). Another thing I noticed is that a man benefits greatly from Stealth Intelligence/Obfuscating Stupidity. Don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:53 PM
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Chads don't get a free pass to the top, because "the top" is not based on sexual attractiveness, but things like ambition, intelligence, contacts (so, social intelligence) and ability to work for a delayed reward. You don't see many Chads who became succesful businessmen, CEOs, politicans etc on LOOKS alone. The Cahds who do excel at things that matter are ALSO very ambitious and charismatic, and often very intelligent on top of beign good looking. If you get to the rock bottom rungs of society,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:44 PM
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intelligence and attractiveness are weakly, but postively corelated though. attractive people tend to have better genes and healthier development, which corelates with higher intelligence. Not to mention, good looks directly cause better sociality which causes better social intelligence, which translates to better relationships and career. The "Halo Effect" allows attractive youngsters to practice their social skills with fewer repercusions, which directly translates to superior social intellige…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:35 PM
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you replaced one silly extreme with another. Most women pick sensible degrees and relatively good career choices. For every BS degree there are 20 future accountants, managers, saleswomen, and at worst, teachers. Even the "BS psych degree" can be traded for a lower Middle Class job, which voids the benefit of being Buxed for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:31 PM
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Physical symmetry and fitness (ie: good looks) is positively corelated with health, which in turn is a major predictor of inheritable intelligence (which is over 75% of functional intelligence). On top of that, social savvy is positively corelated with social intelligence and thus IQ, and negatively corelated with inheritable autism-spectrum disorders. So, picking good looking fit men who are charismatic is a good genetic strategy if you want to have healthy kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:24 PM
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Intelligence is also a survival traits that is very strongly inheritable (nature not nurture) and very strongly sought by females. Its a myth that women prefer a dumb Chad over an intelligent Nerd: the truth is that the Chad is likely just as intelligent (possibly more, as he has social intelligence as well). The only difference is that Chad's intelligence is of the non-nerdy variety. Women actively discriminate against social ineptitude, which is NOT a sign of intelligence but autism, and autis…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:20 PM
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I don't think you are entirely correct. The criminal dumb Chad is mostly a meme. It is simply the Chad of already dumb and criminal demographic will be dumb and criminal, but otherwise Chad-ism (stronly masculine, testosterone and HGH driven biology) is a predictor of success, not failure. In general, masculine men fuck more, but also achieve more, earn more, survive better, fight better, win more often and more. Sure, in some instances this lead to a Peacock bottleneck where males dead end as p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:16 PM
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single dad here, and I consider it a super shitty thing to offload one's kids on your new partner. Not just towards the partner, but towards the kids. The way I handle it, is that my kids know I have "lady friends" that I hang out with when they are with their Mom. My partners know Im a dad of two preschoolers, and that is it. My kids and my partners never meet, except one time when it was an emergency.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:06 PM
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single dad here as well. I gave up on dating single moms because logistics of handling two sets of kids to schedule regular dates is a nightmare, and combining dating with parenting basically turning it into a makeshift patchwork family before the kids are ready. I will probably change my mind once my kids are 12+yo, bot for now, nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 01:01 PM
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A single dad here: I would not date a single mom. Not out of hypocrisy, but because it would just be too much hasle to solve all the logistics. Its near impossible if im the only single parent in the relationship, with two, it is completely possible that our schedules would not match for weeks on end. Maybe if my kids were 12+ year old I would answer differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 12:36 PM
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you kinda can, if you reduce the number of men and cause an imbalance. See: 1950-1990 in Soviet Union, and even later in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. See Vietnam or Cambodia after the war. Female populational reaction is to actually take the job of the sexual initiator, and pursue that until they eiter get a mate or reach late 30s when they all but give up and become celibate spinsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 10:33 AM
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history disagrees. Kinda. Reduction in male population causes a very unique trend among women: they looksmaxx and become incredibly hypergamous in their early 20s, then if that fails, immediatelydrop their standards to zero and take the first man who comes along. Interestignly, when male population drops, the number of fuckbois skyrockets to otherwise unseen heights, gender equality drops, sexism and patriarchy triumphs, even though women outearn men and call most of the shots.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 10:28 AM
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in history, we kinda got that dynamic every once in a while. For example USSR right after the war was very low on young men, due to the fact that that so many of them died. Effect: - some women took up male jobs and become very masculine+celibate - other women ramped up their sex appeal and competed fiercely for men - most men became laid back lazy asses, who did nothing to get a SO except existing, end became lazy, vodka-drinking, borderline abusive husbands - small but visible minority became …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 10:20 AM
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Male here. I have been in several relationships. I have been explicitely called the best lover they had by two women. These two were also my longest relationships, by a wide margin. Even in the end run of these relationships, where we could not stand each other, we still fucked. even after they broke up with me, both of them booty called several times for some sex-with-the-Ex. Im average sized but very good in g-spot game and cunnilingus. from my expeirence, being good in bed makes the initial w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 09:42 AM
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It only works if instead of waiting the guy is IMPROVING. Men should probably nto wait to start approaching women, but shoudl definitley wait and give themselves time before settling into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 09:35 AM
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simple, men want it more, so they have to pay more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 02:02 PM
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why arrogance? Nobody is entitled to be considered attractive. Its a free market, if you have nothing they want you are wasting their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 01:28 PM
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depends: does she pass their Fuckability Bar? If yes, carry on. If no, why are they bothering her?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 01:02 PM
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a partner is your friend that you also have sex with. Friendship, deep, commited and complex one, is the gist of a relationship. Whether you start as friends and then become sexual with one another, or start with a hookup and then learn to enjoy each other's personalities, its not important: the important part is the synergy of both friendship and sex. OP obviously does not want a friendship at all, so at best he can be a fuckbuddy with someone. Which is fine and great, but probably more easily …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 10:34 AM
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Friends and a partner are completely different things. No, they are not. A partner is basically just a friend you also fuck. What you are clearly looking for is a fuckbuddy not a girlfriend, and that is allright. If so, Tinder is your best bet. You can of course still cold approach women at bars and clubs, but this is going to be a sloooooow process even if your Game is good, and it does not seem to be the case, as far as we can see from your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 10:31 AM
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the "have fun" part requires you to do the exact same thing you would do with friends, only except this friend is also a woman, and you have a chance (not guaranteed) to have sex with her. So the gist is this: are you prepared to act like someone's LR friend for hours, entertain them, be nice to them even if they act and say stuff that infuriates you, just to have some fun/sex,... possibly? Most of us men, we LIKE women, and LIKE being friends with them, so the middle part between meeting them a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 10:27 AM
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sure, but all of the guys you meet that way optionally have female friends, sisters cousins, hot Moms, female neighbours etc. Social Circle trumps all other forms of finding a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 10:17 AM
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then your personality is completely incompatible with having a girlfriend. A girlfriend demands singinficantly more of your time, attention and effort than a platonic friend, and lots of stuff aside from it. If you dont NEED IRL friends, then you also do not need a Girlfriend, by definition, you just need a fuckbuddy. If you need but cannot maintain IRL friends, then you are not prepared to be a boyfriend. Make up your mind OP; do you like IRL friendship or not? Because a girlfriend is basically…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 10:14 AM
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Define "average". You need to Pass the Bar of Fuckability: - at least not overweight - not obviously below average height - not obviously below average face - normal looking non-weird style and clothes - not socially awkward, able to socialise, hold conversation, flirt You know, a normal, healthy human male, which sadly an average male is not anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 10:07 AM
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It is possible, though very hard, with enough old school Pick Up Artistry. However, I would strongly warn against doing it that way. If you want a Girlfriend, not just a random hookup, you should approach and succesfully start datign at least a few women for months before making your decision. Getting a girlfriend in 24 hours is more silly than trying to buy a used car in 24 hours. it is possible, just very unwise and will suck in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 10:04 AM
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OTOH, if you make enough friends your social circle would expand, and your chances of meeting a compatible female friend-of-a-friend who is single grows exponentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 10:00 AM
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just because some idea is all over the social media, does not mean it is true IRL. This hundreds of thousands of women who post or like these tweets, stories etc only make a microscopic % of the existing young women, nevermind all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 09:59 AM
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none of those places are wrong to approach if the man is reasonably attractive and not socially awkward. All of those places are wrong if the man is unattractive or awkward. This is basicaly a sales pitch. Nobody complains about salesmen who have a good pitch and actually sell a good quality product that the clients want anyway, and for a reasonable price. We complain about sleazy salesmen who try to peddle useless shit and scam us out of our money. Same thing with men trying to date women: have…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 09:55 AM
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start with only dating very succesful career-driven women who obviously make more money than you do. of course to do that, you need to brink good looks, seduction skills and personality tot he table.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 12:42 PM
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IMHO, it has a very strategic reason: diminishing Russian power without actually attacking them. Russian imperialism has very bad consequences to the global community, its stability, economy, human rights, etc. Of course, one can say the same about US imperialism, but the idea of the USA being a sole superpower is preferable to having multiple superpower states.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 12:40 PM
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Tattoos in general, are a pretty sure sign of liberal views and clash with conservative views. Now, how that translates to female promisquity? Its a complcated curve. The absolutly most Liberal women have little or no sex with men, and are often lesbian or asexual. Moderately liberal women are quite promiscuous. Moderately conservative women are usually low n-count. Extremely conservative women are either virgins until marriage or destructively super-promiscous due to internalised misoginy. So, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 11:36 AM
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Great post and I completely agree. I had the luck of being raised by a Red Pilled Dad, and had two Red Pilled Grandpas, both of whom were womanisers prior to meeting my Grandmas, so I could learn a lot form them. What they tought me, and what I wil be trying to teach my sons is this: - don't rush into marriage or relationships, be a "sailor" for a while and just explore many women - don't take monogamy too seriously. Its a tool not a goal - Don't put women on a pedestal - there is A LOT of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:59 PM
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Yep. Social circle, being of the same "tribe" is more important than raw looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:41 PM
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this is true especially about fitness range.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:39 PM
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honestly, most guys are opportunists, who simply go after a girl who looks least likely to reject them, not necessarily the prettiest one. ​ My advice would be for completely average women to simply act more approachably if they are single and looking, or even approach men themselves, that would solve 99% of the problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:38 PM
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except a gulf like this almost never happens, its statistically improbable. Most men are 5/10, think they are 7/10 and lust after 6/10 women, but are completely ok with dating / fucking 5/10. IMHO, this sub os overly preocuppied with bizzare and rare exceptions to general social averages.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:36 PM
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except, it sometimes takes waaay to long and they miss the opportunity to be parents that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:33 PM
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The premise is mostly not true: the vast majority of men, regardless of their own looks, are opportunists, they just go after the easiest target (which is not related to how attractive the target is). For an average man, its not easier or harder to get a Stacy over a Becky, except for the fact that Stacies are more rare. Its ust a matter of which one of them is more horny/drunk/lonely/vulnerable etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:31 PM
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AFBB is broadly not true, because in our society Alphas do almost everything: - Alphas fuck the most - Alphas sire and raise most kids -Alphas pay most taxes, make most money, and have best paying jobs -Alphas starts most businesses - Alphas are the top discoverers, scientists and thinkers. Betas due to their meek and passive personality, fail at ALL of the above things, therefore make poor Bux-ers as well. in reality Alpha Fucks, Alpha Bux, Alpha Builds, Alpha Destroys, Alpha wins, Alpha hunts,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:27 PM
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you miss the point though. Love or sex that comes from charity/pity /coercion is worthless. You can force a woman at gunpoint to allow to be raped, but you cannot force a woman at gunpoint to make love to you. You can force a women through violence or financial necessity to PRETEND to love you, but she will not actually love you, and you will know it. The whole point why we want to be loved is to think that we deserved it on our own merits, and that they love/lust after us becasue we are awesome…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:19 PM
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IMHO, VR experience will outpace the dolls. Its just easier to create and cheaper to manufacture. Besides, the moment we have godo quality fuckBots, we will be essentially having good qiality workBots that can do most jobs (ie: a sexbot can be reprogrammed to flip burgers or stack pallets as well), and that would be far more revolutionary to everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:13 PM
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I don't think you can generalise like that, it vastly depends on the country, culture, financial strata, and age of the people you mean. Take Pandemic for example. It destroyed just as many long term relationships as it created new ones. Millions of late 30s married couples with kids got divorced after spending months together at home. Simultanosly, millions of early 20s people got married after being forced to co-habit for months. It is completely possible to have exact opposite outcomes to com…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:10 PM
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statistically, what you achieved is a difficult balance that most guys will not be able to achieve, so they are better off trying to emulate the "Masculine Stoics" , at least at first, until they get their bearings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:06 PM
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same can be said about relationships. A relationship should be treated as a bonus on top of an already accomplished life, not as a life's goal in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:03 PM
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? At best it proves marriage and monogamy are pointless. Why would a sane and rational guy even get married or expect/offer fidelity? What is this, 1930s?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:58 PM
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its actually 46%, so not far off.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:53 PM
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Male here. Current statistics is that 46% of people cheat, and 24% get caught. Out of those, men cheat more in all age groups except the youngest: women 18-21 cheat more than men 18-21. Personally, I have been with two dozens of women short term, and in two serious LTRs. Cheated in both, did not get caught. Was cheated on once, on the same week I cheated, no less. AFAIK, from personal experience, studies and observation of my friends: about half of relationships end up with cheating, when its ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:52 PM
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But when we talk looks vs personality, we must also aknowledge that a part of personality is how a person uses their body. A 6/10 woman in her late 30s who is absolutely a sex goddess in bed is superior to a starfishing 21 yo supermodel. In the end its about enjoing your life, preferably with companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:30 PM
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I know of a few freaks of nature who got sexier AFTER 30, so it can happen but otherwise you are right. But when we talk looks vs personality, we must also aknowledge that a part of personality is how a person uses their body. A 6/10 woman in her late 30s who is absolutely a sex goddess in bed is superior to a starfishing 21 yo supermodel. In the end its about enjoing your life, preferably with companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:29 PM
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you are correct. Probably the only caveat is fertility, if a woman takes her sweet time to find herself,, she is likely to miss the opportunity to be a mother. Which of course is not necessary, but it is a time-sensitive option.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:25 PM
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exactly. Though IMHO, the sweet spot of fucking around is likely around 20, max 50 partners. Less than that and you are missing out, more than that and you are wasting time on what is essentially, a very repetitive hobby. Im currently at an N-count of 27, and I don't exactly care to increase it unless it comes with some novel experiences. For one, I never had a threesome, and would like to experience one. Or an orgy, never been to one, what is it like? But just going out to get another ONS, whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:22 PM
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I would say its more about simply having the sex life that would satisfy you, regardless of what it is. Contrary to popular belief, most men would not want to fuck countless women. Even men who CAN do that, ultimately get tired of it and don't want to anymore. Inversely, most women would not want to fall for the Perfect Chad they lost their virginity to. We both default at something close to wanting 10-20 sexual partners in our life to experiment enough, and then pick one to stay with. IMHO, bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:18 PM
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the analogy breaks down quite easily though. Cars are machines produced to specifications, if you say, want to buy a car that had 200 000 miles on it and its a Mercedes you are good to go. If its a Fiat, it will probably fall apart on you. With women its completely different. There is no clear and apparent causation between their past and N-count, and their future behaviour, because they are not made to the same specifications. Some women would be best partners as adult virgins, another would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:10 PM
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yup, but if the morals and values the analogy is build around are themselves built on non sequitur premises, then the whole thing makes little sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:03 PM
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better still, a car with a lot of mileage cannot by itself learn to drive better, but a person with a high N-count can become a sexual expert.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 12:01 PM
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same here. Im way over 30yo, proud member of various kink communities, and a known libertine. The women in my greater social circle are mostly the type who would have double digits N-counts, and so do I, so what would be the point of asking? As of today, my N-count is 27, my current SO's is 32. Would it mattered to me if hers was I dunno, 18 or 25 dudes, or 50 dudes? Or if she was my 45th instead of 27th? Not much I think. IMHO, a healthy and social mature human being should probably have an N c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:58 AM
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I don't care at all, but pretty much every woman I have been with asked about my body count. I sometimes ask them back, for conversation's sake, but it makes no difference to me. Most women I have been with are the type who could be safely assumed to have a big N-count, without me even asking, and mine is in double digits, so its not like the exact number matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:38 AM
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the studies I read were global, so no clue if the west/US was over-represented. Accordingly, around 73% of women find the lean-muscular physique most attractive, and in face-blind compilation of shirtless pictures, considered Brad Pitt as Tyler Durden (from the Fight club Movie) to be by far the most desirable physique possible. http://m63nc2udhbx39adps3ox14r1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/TYLER-DURDEN-FIGHT-CLUB-PHOTO.jpg Next, heavier muscular look like Jason Momoa, Christ…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:39 PM
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same is true for most men too. As we mature, we find older and older women attractive, and inversely consider youngest women to be asexual kids. Im 36 and I cannot even force myself to think of a teen girl as a sexual object. She just eww a teenager. Smelly, zitty, annoying, baby faced kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:26 PM
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did you send it to a global random of men on people you know socially? Because that would be a huge confirmation bias. For one, every male who grew up watching Harry Potter movies would be biased towards Emma.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:24 PM
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It is quite probable that 99% of women are not attracted to Arnold, because only 6% of women find the bodybuilder physique attractive, and logically, out of those only some would find Arnold specifically attractive, since he has a weird face. But consider this: even if 1% of women find Arnold, or Arnold -like men attractive, these women are likely to have a specific fetish for muscular men, and thus consider it VERY sexy. So even though swole guys do nto appeal to a lot of women, they appeal to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:21 PM
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most men are relatively attracted to Emma, but only a small fraction of men would consider her their type. Statistically, most men prefer a fuller, more fit, and more feminine physique. Media would have us believe that men like baby-faced and skinny girls, but studies show time and time again that the vast majority of men like fit, toned-muscle women with birthing hips and nice rack. Appparently all guys want the Wonder Woman or Xena the Warrior Princess, not a wiry coathanger.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:14 PM
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You kinda forgot the important factor: the age of men you ask changes the definition of what "The Wall" is. Personal example: When i was 20, women in their 30s and 40s looked like hags to me. Now Im 36 and some women my age look damn fine to me. Inversely, Im loosing attraction to women under 20, and early 20s. IMHO, late 20s and just before 30 is when women are MOST attractive to me, not ealry 20s like I thought earlier. I still can pull either, I just prefer older. Not just for their personali…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 01:05 PM
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I mean Kissinger had fangirls. that is an understatement of the year. Kissinger had a line of straight up FWB that was over quadruple digits long....
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 12:38 PM
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funny, especially of the self-depreciating kind works best if the guy is otherwise confident and/or good looking. It makes him seem humble, approachable and cool. A loser who laughs at himslef and makes jokes is seen as pathetic and desperate for attention. A cool dude and charismatic dude who laughs at himself and makes joke is seen as laid back and fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 12:37 PM
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nah, they do give away their true feelings to men all the time, exept said feelings are too random, complex and confusing to build any strategy around them. Its not manipulation, its just signal noise that men get confused by.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 12:34 PM
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what women look for in a partner, and what they are sexually attracted to, are often different , if not contradictory things. Same is true for men of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 12:33 PM
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Funny is orthogonal to attraction, it neither helps or hinders it. Attraction is significantly more based on your looks, body language, decissiveness, aggression and masculinity. Being funny atop of being masculine MIGHT help, by making you look more friendly and safe, but this is not a very important factor. Being funny while emasculated just makes your transition to the Friendzone smoother and faster. On very rare occasions, a meek and Beta man can win over a women through sheer humour, if she…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 12:31 PM
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they did, and it did not work. Several periods in history saw disenfranchised sexless men revolt, and at best they were just cast out or migrated away, incidentally creating new societies. Cannot recall any example in history where weak men managed to overthrow dominant men, at least not without beign led by a cadre of dominant leaders. Tall/masculine/hight-T men did not kill weaker men, humans are not that pointlessly violent. WHat happened instead is that taller, stronger, and more fit men OUT…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 12:26 PM
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You mistakenly believe that what Chads have to offer is just looks. Handsome, masculine looks are a by product (and display of) high testosterone high HGH organism. These kinds of males almost always display, courage, aggression, dominance, perseverance, and effortfulness. Yes, human beings hunted down mammooths. But it was not done by hen-necked Betas who stayed at the cave, but restless high-testosterone males who enganged in high risk high reward hunts. And contrary to the narrative here, hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 12:02 PM
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Average man here; yeah, you are mostly right. Sure, OLD is easier for average women, than average men, but it gave me consistent results which covered my needs. Combining OLD with traditional/social dating is enough for me to actually have MORE potential datign prospects than I would care to follow; life cannot be spent on chasing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 10:44 AM
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Just like everything about explaining to men: Be blunt, direct, and don's sugarcoat. There is no nice way to communicate that you do not want to be harassed, so try a very non-nice way. An unamused and tired "Dude, fuck off" is usually a godo prelude, then explain is simple words what they did wrong and that they are not to do/say it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 09:48 AM
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I disagree with your conclusion. The society will not go to shit, simply, current model will collapse and be replaced by something more lean and agile, economically. If men will refuse to produce, then the few men who still produce will be paid better, and become more happy. If a substantial number of men do not reproduce, then society will grow smaller, and its needs for products and servives will move from quantity to quality. We will become a smaller, older, richer, and less welfare-oriented …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 09:40 AM
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good. Let the unsustainable business models collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 09:35 AM
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absolute monogamy, deism, and rational thinking disappeared within three generations. thes ethings are contradictory, rationality and deism are incompatible, rationality and monogamy are incompatible, as well. Besides, Unwin's ancient definition of a succesful civilisation sounds like some ridiculous combo of Islam and Fascism, so not exactly something we should emulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 09:33 AM
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Society is in decline for completely different reasons, that have more to do with the global economy. Dating scene is fine and works as intended; its basically a Free Market System. Dating scene is a continuation of the evolutionary Survival of the Fittest, the fact that the top males dominate the market and crowd-out bottom males is a boon not a flaw: its how species evolve to better fit their changing environment. It is supposed to be brutal, selective, and have no mercy, that is the whole poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 09:15 AM
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You are comming from a flawed axiom here. - you care about "normal" and whatever that is - you want to get married - you want to have a monogamous relationship, in which whom she fucked/fucks, and whom you fuck matters ​ All of these are certain failure modes; by which I mean, no matter what you do it will turn badly for you (and her). If this is the things you want, the rational way is to train your brain not to want them anymore, and want reasonable and possible things instead. So to answer yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 08:57 AM
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Yep, this is true. Below, adivce based on anonymous studies and statistics of what women actually like. Looksmaxing is a first priority: - studies show that 73% of women prefer lean-muscular physique on men. Go hit the gym and diet until you have it. If you cannot afford it, do self-weight workout at home, skip carbs and eat cheap protein. - dress well. This DOES NOT mean dress expensive: it means dress in clothes that conform to timeless or current fashion, fit your body well, and make you look…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 08:33 AM
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Its neither. You should simply NOT CARE about her past. THe only reason her past bothers you is because you are: - insecure about yourself in comparison - insecure about your relationship - judgemental - jealous and/or envious All of the above just screams Small Dick Energy. instead try: - self improve until you are secure in your objectively justified self-worth - understand she is completely replaceable, just like every other person - understand your judgemental ideas come from primitive triba…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 07:47 AM
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I used to be into PUA stuff. by myself, I developed an ideology that could be best summarised as Positive Red Pill, or Anti-Black Pill (White Pill?) Then I discovered actual Red Pill and found that I agree with most of its foundations, but disagree mostly on conclusions (or at least, Im far more optimistic about male-female relationships). BTW: I was never Blue Pilled, even as a teen. I was too impatient and horny for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 06:36 AM
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conservatives also usually have conservative-ish views on sex, family, gender roles in a relationship etc, so it is kind of a big deal for a person who does not hold these views.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:54 PM
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It depends on your views. Me, for example, Im a relaxed, slightly Left-leaning Libertarian. That makes me relatively compatible with anyone with maybe exception of literal Fascists and Communists. From personal observation, men tend to be more Right Wing, women tend to be more Left Wing, and the more Foreveralone people get, the more extreme their political views. IMHO, the more Liberal/Libertarian you are the more you get laid, and the more you get laid, the more relaxed you become politically.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:51 PM
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of course. But you will experience both the positives and the negatives of this. You say you will not mind at all, but unless you are a very exceptional and rare kind of solipsits autist, you definitely will mind, sooner or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:44 PM
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these definitions are not mutually contradictory
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:41 PM
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I know, I just want to know the reason/rationale for that preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:40 PM
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once or twice maybe, but it immediately loses its appeal when you realise neither the relationship or the sex are any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:39 PM
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I mean, I was 25 kg overweight, and now Im not. It took about a year and a bit of good diet (no sugar or dense carbs) and mid-intensity weightlifting (at home). So I know for a verified fact that it can be done. Sure, some fit and lean people are still single, but statistically, you are far, far more likely to be single and fat than single and fit. The solution is simple, try harder. Or try smarter. Its literally impossible to NOT lose weight if you go into calorie deficit and wor-out. You would…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:37 PM
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I think you misunderstood me. Its great to look for someone who matches your personality; and that should be your first selection criterion, and attractiveness second, after you already weeded out women you are not compatible with. Or to put it another way: don't try to pick the most compatible woman out of the attractive ones. Pick the most attractive out of compatible ones. The second number will be significantly smaller, and thus, easier to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:32 PM
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Im similar, though I don't reject booty calls unless thelogistics are completely impossible. IMHO its not gentlemanly to reject a booty call.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:28 PM
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definitely as well. For all means and purposes, any grudge I could hold with some women poof out of existence the moment I hook up with someone else. Basically, a contact with a new vagina resets me to factory settings emotions-wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:25 PM
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we can lower all our standards except the ones about sexual attraction, which are completely subconscious, or even sub-sapient level. We don't have admin priviledges to our mammalian brains, if we were, we could all just flip a switch and be gay instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 12:27 PM
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the problem is, we can change only wanting the things that are cerebral in nature, because we have conscious control over them and can rationalise them differently. We cannot rationalise away our fetishes and sexuality which are deeply subconscious. Which leads to a situation that a person lowers their standards about just everything save for raw, biological looks in a partner, and that leads to all kinds of trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 12:24 PM
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you do not control who you are attracted to, so its a bad analogy. It as absurd as saying that men who cannot find a woman to date should become gay and learn to enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 12:20 PM
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IMHO, people cannot change their "standard" any more that they could change their sexual orientation. At best, they can pretend to change their standards, lie to themselves and others.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 12:18 PM
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There is probably a point of diminishing returns in that. Looking at the studies, the body Ryan Raynolds had at his bulkiest, maaaybe up to Hemsworth-as-Thor levels, but this is probably the biggest a dude should get to have the optimal wide appeal/extreme attention ratio. If you get bigger than that, you get more extreme attention, but the appeal would be narrow enough to actually hurt your prospects: there might be just not enough muscle-fetishist women in your are to support your sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 10:40 AM
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definitely true. Atop of that, low economic status women prefer bigger men (as in, both more muscular, and accept more fat on a man). The richer the woman was in her formative/teenage years, the more reedy she likes her men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 10:33 AM
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the actual interview with women who participated in these studies is that they prefer men who look lean and fit but like thye did not WORK to achieve it, but somehow got that way naturally. A man being obsessed/working on his look is actually off-putting to them. Of course, this is ridiculous, because to look like Tyler Durden, Brad starved himself and worked out for months on end. The ottermode/lean muscle look is just artificial as the jacked up look, just based on a different diet/gym regimen…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 10:30 AM
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It also depends on your goals and how realistic they are. For some reason I have a lot of obese/overweight male friends: all of them just got LTRed by equally obese women who did all the seducing. All of them are in happy relationships with lots of sex. Seems like when people, especially women, are realistic and pragmatic about their relationship choices, even the bottom tends to pair up.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:58 AM
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If by bottom 20% you mean men who are: - severly unattractive - insane, autistic or both - obese. Then from what I see it looks like this: - very ugly but otherwise healthy and sane men usually are single and celibate for a long time, then end up in their first, last, and long lasting relationship with a woman who is equally ugly. These couples tend to be stable, boring, and keep to themselves. - obese guys have about 50-50 chance of either being single forever, or getting into a relationship wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:51 AM
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but the reverse statistic is not the same these men only meet one of you, and not many other women if that height.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:40 AM
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I assume that Pump and Dump can only happen if there is a huge confusion/misunderstanding about the guy's intentions, but since men put a lot of work to sell their intentions to the woman in question she would have to be very confused, drunk, or just plain ...not smart. Or possibly very young or maybe speak different language.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:31 AM
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how often does that statistically happen though? I never saw evidence of Chads lowering their standards, especially since in just about every society on the planet, Stacies outnumber Chads at least twice if not more. There is no place and no reason why Chad would run out of potential Stacies to meet, unless you lock him on an island with only Beckies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:27 AM
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men live for 75-85 years, and are statistically sexualy active from 16 to 72, so taking the evidence from 18-25 group for a general conclusion is ridiculous. By the same logic, most of 5 year old boys did not smash either, how is that even evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:25 AM
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its a much greater number than a number of women taller than an average man though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:22 AM
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how often does that option to date taller girls even happens? I mean, assuming the average guy is like 180cm, there is a little chance he even interacts with a taller woman in his life, let alone tries to seduce one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:21 AM
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go to gym, cut on sugar, dress well the way magazines tell you to, learn most basic seduction confidence tricks from online gurus. That is all it takes to be above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:20 AM
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yeah, thats good stats. On average, men have 5-7 sexual partners in their life, and he already beat that odds. Assuming he is not a senior on a death bed, he is likely to go into double digits, which frankly is good enough for pretty much every guy who is not a sex addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:18 AM
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