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ScienceGrappleheart/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 01:13 PM
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Question For WomenGrappleheart/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 11:50 PM
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Question For WomenGrappleheart/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 01:55 PM
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Question For MenGrappleheart/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 10:28 PM
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Robert Green in The Art of seductions has and entire section dedicated to unseductive traits. That section is kind of just like this but a lot richer and deeper. I would suggest readong that as well.
/r/seduction19/04/26 11:20 AM
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Just do things that you have always wanted to do with the commitment you give things you dont.
/r/seduction26/12/25 07:11 PM
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New York is a great place to date, but it requires a base standard to succeed. You still need to be charming, funny, and socially connected to make it work, but once you have those, you can actually win with everyone. I currently live in Jersey but recently took a job in NYC, so I am in the city 6 days a week. I got more matches on the apps, got a lot more female interest, and currently, I am in a relationship. But I still had to present myself as multifaceted, still had to get in good shape, an…
/r/seduction26/12/25 08:57 AM
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Join a fitness club.
/r/seduction07/09/25 11:18 PM
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Option B. Worst case scenario, she gives you a more valid reason to abandon her. You feel bad for a few months and recover. In the best case, she figures her shit out and returns, and you get to live out your dreams. She may feel you pulling away and might try to force you to re-engage. It may force her into action. She may not notice you pulling back. Teaches you a lesson. You live or you learn.
/r/seduction02/04/25 06:05 PM
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Nightlife is any job associated with service establishments open after 10 pm. So bartenders, bouncers, strippers, DJs, etc
/r/seduction13/03/25 05:44 PM
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If we are talking building your confidence and skillset: Sales. If you are talking about being near beautiful women to hook up with, nightlife.
/r/seduction13/03/25 02:59 PM
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Understand what fashion is. Fashion is supposed to help you express ideas about yourself while helping accentuate aspects of your body. Your goal should be to try and create an interesting image that attracts attention in a subtle way. You can dress plain, or you can turn it up and create classic looks that attract attention just by themselves. Figure out what ideas you want to express. Some guys want to project a more rugged image, while others want something more sophisticated. Some people wan…
/r/seduction21/02/25 02:12 PM
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100 percent, but I think we should also let him know that all good things will feel uncomfortable at first. Just like your first workout will have you feeling super sore and tired, the first couple of nights alone will feel like shit. But eventually, you get more comfortable, you find the spots you like to go to, you build relationships with bartenders, etc. Your first night out felt like shit. But it gets better as you keep doing it.
/r/seduction28/01/25 01:08 PM
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You have to have a strong knowledge of yourself and develop your own morals. Hank is confident in what he does in Californication because he has strong morals about himself. He has strong beliefs about right and wrong, which do not match societal expectations all the time. You have to develop the mindset that you can survive anything. When it comes to girls, just accept that regardless of the outcome you have with them, life goes on. And this becomes intuitive if you get rejected a lot. You real…
/r/seduction19/02/24 11:54 AM
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I don't think anyone is asking for a 100% chance. Even a 5% chance out in the open is huge. People just want reasonable odds of winning, and most people don't have them. So, in many cases, they should do what you said to improve their odds. Get in shape. Learn social skills. Improve job prospects etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 12:42 PM
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But with Chad, the return is higher and the risk is lower. The return must justify the risk. And how much damage do you have to take to win. Let me use boxing to explain. Let's say Chad is like Mike Tyson. He gets hit a few times but ultimately gets what he wants without taking much damage. He gets rejected but only a few times before the win. Ultimately, miminal rejection does little damage. Let's say non Chad is Rocky Balboa. He has to take an absolute beating, which can possibly make him unhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 12:21 PM
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I think it has more to do with the return for the risk. Like let's say I ask 200 women for their number and to go on a date. The odds are so low it doesn't make sense to take the risk at all. Some women will give you their number and ignore every message you send. Some women will give you a fake number. Some will say "eww" and quickly move away.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 11:59 AM
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I agree but I think it also has to do with the fact that disfunction is harder to hide in a wfh relationship. A lot of dysfunctional relationships work because the man or woman can use work to hide affairs, spend time away from their spouse or get a break from abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:26 PM
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Honestly I think this is a very bad take. Working from home doesn't destroy the normal family structure. It is actually better for raising kids as for the right set of parents it allows them to be more available to their kids. Working from home allows men to provide without sacrificing as much time with their kids. Working from home caused a lot of marriages to break up because work is often used as an anesthetic. When relationships stop working people work more to avoid seeing eachother as much…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:23 PM
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I think it is because men often ignore the other parts of the message to them. Men age like fine wine contingent on whether they take care of themselves when they are young. This means eating healthy, working out regularly, getting proper minerals and sun exposure, and getting regular medical checkups. Most men do not do this and the ones that due age well. The same goes for women. I mean JLo is 40 and could still get a young man. Scarlet Johnassen is almost 40 too. It's easy to age gracefully w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 02:47 PM
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Yes and I'm touching on WHY we have that desire when dating certain people. We do not have this desire to own everyone we date. It's inconsistent for a reason I explain short term vrs long term in another post and how women and men know the difference between people they just want to play around with and people they settle down with. It's a reply to one of your other posts. It's possible to have deep connections with more than one 1 person. People do it everyday. Even if it's just one other part…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 02:34 PM
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Men and women have short-term and long-term dating criteria. In the short term, women do not care about money, status, career prospects, etc. They only care if you are attractive and know how to have sex. In the short term, men do not care about these things either and only truly value attractiveness and sexual enthusiasm. However, in the long term, the criteria changes. Women when trying to shift a short term dating prospect into a long term one will start to ask about income, status plans for …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 02:27 PM
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While what you have said is one aspect of monogamy I think you have oversimplified the issue. Monogamy is popular because at our root human beings are territorial beings who like to claim ownership over people and things. It is also popular because it allows for deeper connections to form as it is often extremely difficult to form deep connections. Most women hate the idea of their man even entertaining another woman and vice versa. There is a small subset of both men and women who do not care a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 02:15 PM
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Evolutionary Pyschology is not a science. There is no scientific basis for it because it is impossible to run tests for it without societal factors affecting results. Anyone who mentions it seriously should not be taken seriously as a scientist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 11:31 PM
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Well, firstly, you did not address my bigger point. Which was you claim women procreate specifically with the genetic stock of their child in mind when history shows much of the opposite. I mean the women who had the most resources to find the best genetic mates inbred all over Europe. Just check the monarchs and aristocracy. Secondly, we can look no further than the Italian Renaissance to find evidence of women who we would consider fat today, being the most attractive all over Europe. Fatter m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 11:24 PM
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No, because assuming she has stayed with me that long and married me before the money, she would be loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 11:03 PM
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You have misunderstood evolution. Here is how evolution works. Take a population of some animals. Ilness A kills all animals who have blood type B. Animals with blood type B start dying, leaving only animals without blood type B to produce. Eventually, blood type B ceases to exist through multiple reproduction cycles. You see, no animal here explicitly woke up and thought, "Animal A has blood type B, let's not breed with him and focus on animals without blood type B." Evolution is entirely envir…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 10:48 PM
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Thank you for this. I absolutely hate posts like this from pseudo intellectuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 10:24 PM
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True but a larger selection at least increases your chances. If you are looking for a 1 in a hundred man (and I don't mean money status or any of that rp bs, I mean kind loving and charming) and you get 200 hundred matches, I can see you possible finding 2 possible options if you work hard enough and wittle down the list. That is assuming only 1 percent of men fit your criteria and honestly I think a larger percentage do. You seem reasonable and nothing you listed is so hard to find. For many me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:42 PM
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Well there are a number of different things to consider here. Some of the blame is justified and some of it is not. Let me explain. Firstly it's due to the fact that many men forget that women and men have different perceptions. Men especially men who have hung with fuck boys and other bad boys eventually get so good at sensing them they assume everyone can see them. They are like why is the other gender so oblivious to the game person x is playing, ignoring the fact they hear person x talk abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 09:44 PM
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It is easier but learning how to sus out bs is a professional science and it is much easier to learn from real people than through a computer screen. For example I have learned more about how women think from my convos with female friends than from any rp or female chat on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 07:02 PM
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I personally do because women are infinitely better at understanding eachother than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:04 PM
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I think it is just better to have a person on the inside who can help you figure out what men are thinking. For example most men do not have female friends so they cannot tell if a woman likes them or not. If they had more female friends they would not only have a companion to help then learn about female nature but can learn how to evaluate that for themselves over time. One time I was sitting with a female friend and she told me there was a woman staring at me across the bar that wanted me to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:58 PM
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The last point you made about how they treat women they aren't attracted to is really important. But here are my central points. The way to choose better is to create a courtship process that eliminates men who are less likely to commit. Don't have sex too early, try to connect with him on a deeper level and push him to let you meet his friends and family. If a guy is willing to let you meet his friends or fam he is less likely to dog you out. You need to take time to understand the man you want…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:44 PM
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Men are often more solution oriented while women often are more support oriented. Thus we have different friendship styles which have different advantages and disadvantages. In my male friendships, when I opened up to them about my problems often they would try to find solutions to my issues. For instance for the longest time I have hated living with my single mom Aunt in my Dad's house and I wanted to move to New York to improve my dating life. My friends response was to question if that is wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:29 PM
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I think the fall in casual sex is a good thing but for none of the reasons you listed. Casual sex undermines relationships because it reveals a level of discrimination that off puts most good reasonable guys. I mean why be a girls emotional financial and spiritual bedrock for over a year when she just gave all of her love and affection to a guy she just met 3 hours ago? Why take the time to develop as a partner and person when the reward for it is having to work harder than shitty, abusive peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:38 AM
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Mixed responses and signals are the reason for the rise of Red Pill ideologies I believe. Men are told in one breath to be loyal servants to women and in the next to be assholes and aggressive. Some women demand male leadership while claiming they can be leaders themselves. From the woman's side a I rarely hear texting advice because regardless of texting style if they are attractive enough they get to do whatever they want with good results.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:21 AM
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To better explain, men will claim they want to marry and meet up with Virgin women. But they will go to clubs and bars to look for women to connect with. Women who go to clubs and bars are more likely to not be virgins. If they really wanted virgin women they would look in churches or chastity groups. Instead they search the clubs which are known for promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:24 PM
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Damn this shit is making me think. Good reply. I think we agree more than we disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:06 PM
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Your argument is right but has a problem with language because the nice guy term has no real meaning. Some women claim that a man who was courting them and gets rejected was a nice guy because after rejection he stopped courting/doing nice things. Let me give you an example. If a guy wants to date you, sends you good morning texts buys you flowers etc and you reject him, you are no longer entitled to his attention. It's that simple. He did not become your friend in hopes of bedding you. He tried…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:53 PM
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Both men and women want what they say they don't want often. Women claim to want emotional soft guys but often gravitate more towards more emotionally unavailable men. Men claim to want virgins but I almost never see them trying to go to places to meet virgins. I mean half the men in RP complain about not finding Virginia brides while going to clubs searching for a woman to go home with them that night. Both men and women are hypocritical and stupid when it comes to choosing and it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:36 PM
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They are both pretty good commentators who try to be balanced by going after both sides. However the problem with balance is people choose what they consume. Aba and preach can do a video about how men are shallow during dating and get like 300k views. They do a video about an insane single mother and crack a million. Playback is the same. They can be part of the rp pipeline or detox kit depending on the video. For instance they were part of the pipeline that lead me to rp when they were calling…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/22 12:26 PM
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I do agree with the general message that ultimately black pill teaches white supremacy and racism. Because most of the features they boast as being attractive are white or make you more white passing. I have seen blackpillers complain about big noses, large lips and other mostly ethnic features.
/r/ExRedPill14/11/22 03:30 PM
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I think that men and women have different problems and the male problems are harder to overcome. The female dating app problem is too many options and a hard time building attraction. And this is inherently due to the fact that dating apps cater to the male attraction. Men are more attracted to images while women are more attracted to voices, actions, movements. There is a reason when you watch female geared romance a lot of emphasis is placed on how the man talks, walks and moves. So women find…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 12:43 PM
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Firstly I would say yous should abandon group think and judge people as individuals. Because thinking and judging people as groups inevitably leads to racism misogyny etc because you judge some actors on the actions of others. I read through your post history and realized you are bi. I imagine the biphobia you face must offend you. Inevitably the women you have issues with judge you based on a group stigma versus what you as a person are. The same with your gf. I can't say she will or won't chea…
/r/ExRedPill12/11/22 08:05 PM
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Thanks for the support. Must have slightly remembered that wrong.
/r/ExRedPill12/11/22 07:56 PM
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I have several questions about the study. How did they source the 1000 initial participants? Did they use a random global selection or did they just pick them from a random city? Did they use an online application which would definitely skew the results towards cheaters? Did they also diversify across income race gender and sexuality dynamics? What definition did they give cheating? Did they make sure to make a clear delineation between emotional cheating and physical cheating?
/r/ExRedPill12/11/22 01:13 PM
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The term Alpha used in the context of dominant males was first coined to describe wolves in the wild. The research asserting the Alpha male hypothesis has since been debunked. However I agree with your point that Alpha has usually been used to describe the "ultimate male" so to speak in modern language. However RP describes the ultimate male as a person like Future, Hugh Hefner or some other rich womanizing prick, versus a reasonable and level headed individual. If you make a lot of money and ha…
/r/ExRedPill12/11/22 01:04 PM
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Red Pill, is a collection of ideas which perpetuate the existence of a true reality often obscured by societal factors and myths. An example of Red Pill would be, we did not go to war to defend our country we went to war to keep warlords paid. Within the dating realm the Red Pill has evolved into a collection of ideas debating the truth about female nature, modern dating and the reality of relationships themselves.
/r/ExRedPill05/11/22 01:58 PM
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It's about getting the freedom to take risks without thinking "oh shit what if she doesn't like me". Most men are in a cycle of trying to constantly win female attention which makes them clumsy and unnatural. If you truly get to a point where you don't need a woman, you can more easily express yourself. You will tell that joke, ask her out etc vs just waiting for the perfect time just in case she doesn't like you.
/r/seduction02/11/22 09:50 AM
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Well again it depends on how you go about it. It's about generating an aura that women like and being able to show that you want them but that you don't need them.
/r/seduction01/11/22 12:47 AM
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Nope. You just have to be content enough with your life that you don't start chasing women. Women are very turned off by that. Girls didn't like me in college when I chased. They now like me much more rn when I put 1/2 as much effort in.
/r/seduction31/10/22 11:51 PM
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Possibly. The truth is most men are incredibly needy which turns most women off. If you truly enjoy your single life it is almost impossible to be needy as you don't feel the need to work to please women you just met.
/r/seduction31/10/22 11:21 AM
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My answer to this would be it would be better to build a life where you have so much fun by yourself that you don't need to rely on a woman to fill any gap. Most men look to women to fill gaps in their life, whether they stem from a lack of desire, adventure or joy. I am by no means an Cassanova but once I started building in natural life full of interests and they have really reduced my overall anxiety regarding women. Because I know if you reject me I will just do one of my fun hobbies for a f…
/r/seduction30/10/22 05:34 PM
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First try therapy. But if therapy is not an option here are some things you can do. Post this in Bropill. That is a very healthy community that can help you work through this and they can give you a lot of good insight. Secondly to help with the issue put yourself in the woman's shoes. Try to increase your empathy for people in general and eventually it will hit women as well. Thirdly try to develop non sexual relationships with women and learn to close your mouth and listen without speaking. As…
/r/ExRedPill30/10/22 04:59 PM
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I am down as well, dm me
/r/seduction29/10/22 11:25 PM
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We don't like him because he preaches a similar thing to almost all the other guys we do not like.
/r/ExRedPill29/10/22 04:58 PM
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Stirling Cooper is a porn star who confused women being paid to sleep with him as genuine desire. Those women are only fucking for a check.
/r/ExRedPill25/10/22 09:50 PM
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First of all you are right. Dating is hard being a minority. I am a 5'8 Black man living in the suburbs with my single mother Aunt. I am from a conservative family. However let me quickly explain to you why RP will not solve any of your problems regarding dating. RP will give you a reason to cope. RP allows you to take the blame away from yourself everytime you fail at dating. When I was in RP I just kept thinking all the girls were shallow sluts ignoring what a good man I was. Instead the reali…
/r/ExRedPill25/10/22 12:29 AM
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I think we discussed this at length privately but if you want to avoid RP guys is to develop your strength. Rp guys are scared of high performing women or strong women. They avoid them.
/r/ExRedPill23/10/22 09:36 PM
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Explain what happened and that you thought it was a joke. After that it's in her court. If she really likes you she will accept your apology and explanation and continue. If she doesn't she didn't like you enough and it likely wouldn't have worked in the first place.
/r/seduction18/10/22 10:59 AM
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The way to handle rejection is two fold. You first have to create an life that makes you confident. And the easy way to do this is to create a life with some adventure and filled with things you like that keep you busy. Then you need calibration or you need to be rejected more often. For example my confidence shot up after I started working after college. My schedule is filled with a diverse array of activities that keep me busy and stimulated (I write poems, I take professional photos, I am on …
/r/seduction13/10/22 12:03 PM
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Instead look for signs of disinterest. If signs are unclear, assume they like you until they make it clear they dont.
/r/seduction12/10/22 10:52 PM
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I agree with all your points except the political one. And I will explain in long form out of respect for the long post you gave us. I believe the left is just as responsible for the rise of Red Pill as the right because of its commitment to identity politics and its refusal to accept and address female privilege in dating. For my first point, let me fully explain my context. I am black and I see nothing wrong with a group advocating for itself especially in a country which treats groups so diff…
/r/ExRedPill10/10/22 12:27 PM
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I have seen men in marriages cheat on their wives because an old crush from some years ago gave them a phone call. It's not different at all. There are many historical examples of this as well. Napoleon and Jospehine. Caesar and Cleopatra. Etc.
/r/ExRedPill10/10/22 01:15 AM
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Alpha windowing definitely happens. But it happens to men just as much as it happens to women. And it doesn't happen to all women just as it doesn't happen to all men. Most people will eventually heal from ended relationships and stop desiring the individual that left them but usually that takes a while.
/r/ExRedPill10/10/22 12:54 AM
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This 100%.
/r/seduction09/10/22 05:57 AM
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I think this is a nuanced discussion and it depends on the category. Looks. If we are speaking on looks then most average women date average men. If we are speaking economically most women do not want average men because the average man is financially struggling, and lives with his parents. According to a survey 83% of women will not entertain a man who lives with his parents. 50% of young men and women live with their parents. So from a statistical perspective most women do not want the average…
/r/ExRedPill07/10/22 01:18 PM
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Firstly, my argument is as follows. Men and women are equal and should be judged equally. Therefore is something is wrong for one group it should be wrong for the other and vice versa. Now if men started chanting "women are bitches" because of their own personal experiences with women being terrible (and there are plenty of examples of this), we would call it out as misogynist. In the same way women should be called out if their statements are misandrist. To state that we should be more acceptin…
/r/ExRedPill05/10/22 12:26 AM
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Do you know the way you stop being a nice guy? Just do what you want. If you don't want to listen to her don't. If you do listen. If you think she is being irrational tell her that. Just be honest with her and with yourself. If you want to fuck her let her know. Don't pussy foot around lying about who you are and what you want.
/r/seduction03/10/22 07:28 PM
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I agree with most of what you are saying except the trashy behavior by men part. See if we use that justification then we are opening the door to a lot of racism/discrimination. I have heard this argument made a lot of times by a lot of different people. For example, Black people commit most of the crimes so it is fair to label all black people as criminals to cope. I am a black person who has never committed a crime and would absolutely hate to be called a criminal simply because someone wants …
/r/ExRedPill03/10/22 12:28 PM
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Honestly the way you get past this is you learn not to care much about the other person's reaction. Make seduction a game. Instead of how do I make her like me, think, how do I make this more interesting.
/r/seduction30/09/22 03:24 PM
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This is very informative. I will keep a note of this. Thank you.
/r/ExRedPill30/09/22 01:22 PM
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Could you give us more detail on JP's bad takes? I mean I have watched him and found nothing wrong and I am interested in seeing what he does that offends so much.
/r/ExRedPill30/09/22 12:48 PM
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The problem os people do not like experiential learning. You can learn everything you need to know about women from talking with women. Very simple.
/r/seduction27/09/22 11:35 PM
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Cold reads don't work. Warm reads do and are easy to find. They are everywhere from books people are reading to coffee orders and even clothing.. For example if you just listen in to someone else's conversation for a few moments you can usually pick out a few good points to talk about. Then based on those you can approach with an "Sorry to bother you, but I overheard A and just wanted to add my thoughts." You can then contribute to the discussion. After doing so you introduce yourself and contin…
/r/seduction23/09/22 02:12 PM
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Hey man in my opinion I think it is your fault but because you have such low standards for female friendships that you let women get away with acting poorly with you. For example if any of your male friends pulled the stunts these women pulled would they still be your friends? Likely not. Because you have a standard and have kept that standard with your male friends. You have also likely shown the ability to give them value. For the women on the other hand, the fact that they even got an invitat…
/r/seduction23/09/22 01:25 PM
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I am thinking more 3 and not for the reasons you are thinking. I am thinking number 3 because you have given these women too much leeway. Like if your male friends acted like this would they still be your friends? Probably not. You would have gotten rid of them already. The women in your life are shit because you have low standards and you let them get away with this shit. The minute you cut them out and show you are not willing to be a patsy, they will either leave you or change the way they tr…
/r/seduction23/09/22 01:16 PM
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The least they could have done was shoot him a happy birthday text or make some attempt to show appreciation even if it was later.
/r/seduction23/09/22 01:11 PM
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Okay so here is my guide on how to dress well. Begin with a self assessment. You need to figure out your strong features and your weak ones. For example I have incredibly wide and strong shoulders but a have a little bit of a belly so what ever I wear needs to help hide the belly while showing my shoulders. Next assess the occasion. Wearing a suit to shop at Walmart isn't fashionable. Nor is wearing an unbuttoned short sleeve shirt to a wedding. Think of the occasion when dressing up. If you are…
/r/seduction22/09/22 08:39 PM
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Well in action movies this is true. Ever Bond movie ever follows this format in terms of male female relationships. And the Bourne movies. Terminator 1 did it but the main character was poorer there. Also children's media. Like Aladdin. The little mermaid. I mean there are many examples regardless of genre. The point it the media has done a poor job of teaching both men and women about relationships. And it has lead to shitty expectations on both sides.
/r/ExRedPill22/09/22 01:41 AM
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But it does remove the objective factor. Someone cannot be objectively attractive when a large segment of the population does not find that to be the case. And if looks are not objective then more likely than not someone who is unattractive to you is attractive to someone else. Especially when a lot of Idris Elba's attractiveness is due to his profession and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 06:57 PM
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A great example is the increasing demand for muscular men today. If you go back to the 60s the ideal man did not have a six pack. And just 30 years later it is an essential part of being the ideally attractive man. In the 90s, heroin chic was in and super thin women were considered attractive. Now curviness is attractive and women are trying to build bigger asses. It changes decade to decade sometimes even.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:10 PM
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Firstly, I am saying that my blackness has worked as a positive or a negative depending on the situation. Some women fetishize me and some do not. It is not a toxic low self esteem attitude to acknowledge that some women are turned on by the idea of having sex with a Black man. It's the undisputed truth. However to state that there is a uniform form of attractiveness when that is clearly not the case is laughable. Even if we focus just on American culture what has been attractive has changed tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:07 PM
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He probably doesn't get laid 7 times a month. And he probably is lying. The reason I say this is because Tinder demonstrably doesn't work for people who are not attractive. In person it is an entirely different story. But using tinder isn't going to get you results, especially if you are competing with the most attractive people.
/r/seduction20/09/22 04:43 PM
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Firstly attractiveness is subjective. I have seen women who prefer men who are more overweight. I have seen women who do not like men who look too built. I have spoken with women who do not like men who are too tall or too short. It is very common for there to be diversity in attraction. This becomes increasingly clear when you take into account racial differences as well. There are some white women who are obsessed with my Blackness and want to fuck. And their are some white women who are not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:14 PM
1

I would be willing. PM me
/r/ExRedPill20/09/22 11:07 AM
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Honestly I like the fact they exposed Fresh and Fit as absolute idiots. And I think there response was able to turn a lot of former Red Pillers into exredpill which I appreciate. However I do not think we need constant internet beef to beat Red Pill.
/r/ExRedPill20/09/22 11:02 AM
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Hey man. Firstly I agree with some of your points. There is a large group of people in this subreddit who deny the realities of the world. However there are many more nuanced opinions out there. I disagree with red pill not because I do not see the problem, but because I feel it is a poor solution to the relationship problems of our time. Red pill channels often push these things as solutions 1. Focus on making 6 figures to attract women. 2. Get in shape to attract women. 3. You have to be alpha…
/r/ExRedPill18/09/22 11:21 PM
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I think it has more to do with your family and friends perceptions of your partner. For example your mom, aunt and sister constantly calls your partner a bum for not getting a degree it will eventually get to you. Women I think are more susceptible to this. They will even lose attraction for a person if their friends say said person is undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:59 AM
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And why do so many big women have problems dating? Usually many people gain weight during the marriage compared to getting into the marriage while overweight. So they get married fit, and slowly gain weight over the years. We have to be honest here. Dating leads to marriage. And if a group have issues with dating, they will usually have issues with marriage as dating precedes marriage.
/r/ExRedPill14/09/22 10:27 AM
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Here is what I am saying. There are men who like big women but they are the minority. Also you have to understand that attraction is necessary for building sexual relationships. The less people who find you attractive, the harder it will be to develop this attraction from other people, and the harder your dating life will be. Minorities struggle with this too as many people do not find them attractive. I am black and I have personally dealt with this. It is a simple fact of life. And if we are t…
/r/ExRedPill14/09/22 01:11 AM
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But it is true that less people will date you the more unattractive you are. Many men and women talk about how both society and the opposite gender treated them better when they weighed less. We can disagree with red pill without ignoring basic truths. Like attractiveness plays a massive role in dating.
/r/ExRedPill14/09/22 12:41 AM
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I think the big problem is canceling andrew Tate doesn't do anything to really counter act Red Pill. The truth is men are having really big issues and problems and the rise of Tate Fresh and fit etc are just symptoms of it. Canceling Tate doesn't help men build stronger mental health, it doesn't remove the patriarchal burden both men and women subject men to, and it doesn't disprove the Red Pill. The only solution would be a removal of patriarchal standards from women as well as men. Just as men…
/r/ExRedPill28/08/22 01:37 PM
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Like 16. Yeah wasn't blessed with the best height genetics. I've come to accept it.
/r/ExRedPill21/08/22 09:20 PM
1

I am 5 foot 9. Pretty average height.
/r/ExRedPill21/08/22 09:14 PM
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It is easier for women to date and sleep with men. However quality is the real issue. Straight women are the least sexually satisfied group and have to constantly fear male sexual predation. A lot of men are also willing to lie cheat and steal to get sexual access. So women are in a situation of having to figure out if a man likes them or not, knowing many are willing to lie to get access. Men on the other hand when they find a woman they like rarely have these same issues.
/r/ExRedPill19/08/22 11:37 PM
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Okay. Great contribution. To elaborate I think friendzoning requires an unequal emotional effort between the parties. For example when I said I was relied upon as a boyfriend while getting acquaintance treatment I meant that it was very clear that our relationship was unequal. For example, the girls I spent time with would spend tremendous amounts of time with me talking about their previous histories, insecurities etc. When they had a bad day they told me about it and expected me to listen and …
/r/ExRedPill19/08/22 11:20 PM
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I didn't go into detail about the lovely dovey stuff because I felt it might make the posts too long. I wrote poetry with one of them and I loved the way she was able to understand my words. I also liked her active and adventurous spirit. Made me feel reborn. I appreciate the discussion. I think insular is another word that may be describing what you are looking for. By no means was I perfect in my encounters and I feel I acknowledged that right off the bat. I think what may have caused this in …
/r/ExRedPill19/08/22 10:23 PM
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I think the term you are looking for is narcissism and I did have a little bit of that. However I think the bigger reality was that I picked poorly and made poor decisions. The women I liked, wanted to sleep with more attractive people. Nothing wrong with that. And my friends were pretty attractive. My mistake was allowing them to put me into a friendzone position. And the problem with the friendzone isn't male narcissism. It is emotional exploitation. I was expected to do the emotional labor of…
/r/ExRedPill19/08/22 09:10 PM
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Dating is hard. I hate posts that try to make dating sound easy for either gender which is why I disagree with this post. Being attractive, outgoing and funny is hard. For many it is not natural to them. Being interesting is also hard.
/r/ExRedPill18/08/22 10:20 AM
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Conservatism and Christianity while connected are not the same things by any means. There are atheist conservatives and Christian liberals after all. The true judge of conservatism is if a person holds beliefs which desire to maintain traditional social values, limit government intervention and protect property rights. I will list some conservative beliefs and the RP people who hold them. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. (Kevin Samuels, MTR, PMP, Fresh and Fit, Tate, Blizerian, AMS). Liberal…
/r/ExRedPill11/08/22 11:53 PM
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I currently do not know. But maybe someone has done something.
/r/ExRedPill11/08/22 09:08 PM
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Yeah. It is because RP goes hand in hand with traditionalist values, which is one of the foundational pillars of conservatism.
/r/ExRedPill11/08/22 09:00 PM
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Thanks man
/r/ExRedPill11/08/22 08:42 PM
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Yeah but he definitely misrepresents his expertise. Acts like a scientist when he has no verifiable credentials.
/r/ExRedPill11/08/22 06:20 PM
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I think Rollo Tomasi is here too
/r/ExRedPill11/08/22 06:18 PM
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Firstly, people don't have to come out and say they are rp to be rp. Of the glove fits it fits. Also both political parties are not equivalents. Just because something exists on one end doesn't mean it exists on the other.
/r/ExRedPill11/08/22 05:24 PM
1

True, if you can find me a better term I can replace Oreo
/r/ExRedPill11/08/22 04:23 PM
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He will be in the PUA category. His channel is dedicated to "helping men get laid". Essentially he was part of the initial PUA boom.
/r/ExRedPill11/08/22 01:55 PM
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Firstly don't follow any of the modern dating advice. And what i mean by that is focus on building your social circle first before running after any women. This will not only build for you a high level of confidence but also allow you to meet women with a group of friends to help you deal with the frustrations of rejection. They will also allow you to meet women as if any of them has any success, you can learn directly from observing them. Secondly don't have high expectations. One of the bigges…
/r/ExRedPill10/08/22 12:32 PM
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Thanks for asking this question. A lot of people like to label exredpill people as simps not realizing most of our issues with the red pill come from its fundamentals philosophy. What I basically dislike about red pill is the giant hypocrisy in the belief system. Everything it claims to describe about women applies to men too. For example Red pill claims a wall exists for women after 30, but ignores the fact that not only do older men become increasingly unattractive as they get older but they a…
/r/ExRedPill25/07/22 10:56 AM
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I love this explanation.
/r/ExRedPill24/07/22 05:32 PM
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The bar your setting sounds low but really isn't. Why? Because both getting a good body and having a good career are hard to do. The amount of chance genetics and constant effort required to constantly improve your career and build an admirable body can take decades. I have done both but to get set up in my career required a year of licensing exams and 4 years of college. That doesn't even include having to get great grades in high school to make it to college without massive debt. To get an att…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:46 PM
1

Do you know why his videos were taken down?
/r/seduction20/07/22 12:05 PM
3

Find an activity you enjoy doing alone. Find other people who like doing that activity. Do it together.
/r/seduction20/07/22 11:50 AM
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The thing is you have to play to your strengths. A major issue I see with most dating coaches, RP etc is they ask you to fundamentally change who you are to have success. To act like something you are not. Especially RP. It acts like you have to act like a frat boy to get laid which you do not. Now there is a difference between shyness and introversion. To be shy is to be somewhat scared of social interactions. And this is not good for trying to date especially as a male. Introversion is simply …
/r/seduction18/07/22 02:56 PM
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I do have a job in finance that pays me 80k a year + a bonus. But living with my parents helps me help them financially.
/r/seduction18/07/22 02:40 PM
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Are fish actively trying to get caught? I mean most women I know are. It's a stupid premise because they are not the same at all. In one women want men to come for them. They want to meet a man who they find attractive and ride off into the sunset. In the fish analogy the fish do not want to be caught and will not help their natural enemies catch them.
/r/seduction18/07/22 01:57 PM
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I would say you haven't wasted that much time. The reason being your teenage years are for development. And your mentality would have stopped you from doing anything anyway. You used your looks as an excuse to not talk to women. I did the same thing. I used my height, my race and my body fat percentage as excuses (I am only 20%bf btw). But then when I saw a morbidly obese man date a girl I though was hot I realized I wasn't that bad. There are no excuses for not approaching. If you approach enou…
/r/seduction18/07/22 01:17 PM
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Because it slowly destroys oneitis. Oneitis is when you become fully fixated on just one girl often to the detriment of your sex and social life. Instead of exploring relationships with the other women that find you attractive you focus solely on one who can reject you use you or misuse you. Monogamy often is something that needs to be earned especially in the early stages of dating. Once you find out she is loyal, attractive, likes you and is open, you can be monogamous. But until then don't cl…
/r/seduction18/07/22 12:06 PM
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Andrew Tate runs a program called Hustlers University. And part of that program makes joiners have to promote Andrew Tate content. So he has over a couple hundred people spamming all his interviews on the algorithm.
/r/ExRedPill17/07/22 12:22 AM
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You can't save grifters because they make money off lying. It's like trying to get the guys who ran the Enronn scandal to run a legitimate business.
/r/ExRedPill15/07/22 10:03 AM
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Well, first you are generalizing to the highest level. Secondly, the whole treat women as people thing is about acknowledging women are just people. They won't validate you, they aren't good, they aren't bad and they won't complete your life. Once you acknowledge that you will stop trying to earn the approval of random women and focus on building yourself into something. Women are just people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 10:03 AM
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Value is subjective in the dating market. Attractiveness is subjective. And finally an attractive personality is subjective. RP and BP often like to act like attractiveness is a singular thing when a wide variety of people have been deemed attractive. Simply ask women for pictures of their previous boyfriends and you will see the diversity I am talking about. Some were bad boys, some were nice guys, some were muscular others were fat. A lot of diversity. Play to your strengths. Due to this subje…
/r/ExRedPill09/07/22 12:41 AM
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Well everyone wants the best for themselves which results in what people call "hypergamy". Just like most men would date a supermodel with a great personality if they could. women want a similar thing. RP likes to act like all relationship facts are exclusive to one gender. Men if they could would date the most attractive women they could. And in most relationships the woman is more attractive than the man.
/r/ExRedPill08/07/22 12:37 PM
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Everyone thinks they are special. This is not a gendered issue. Both men and women think they are exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 06:07 PM
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I know right. People always like to over complicate the most simple shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 02:29 PM
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It's mostly due to a lack of dating experience. Just like young men make poor dating decisions early on women do the same. Attractiveness is also very blinding. Women usually are left in a situation where they are pursued by an attractive person they think wants them only to be discarded later. And they learn the lessons from that pain and learn to choose better. Which often leads to choosing less attractive guys eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:25 PM
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I mean people say they worry about these things but they have sex with people who they do not know. I mean even having sex with your college friend can put you at threat of catching STD's pregnancies etc. And people still do it. People care so little that they have sex without contraception despite being taught from a young age that that can result in a baby. They say they care but based on the actions of both men and women it seems like they don't care at all. And OP's question is will the repe…
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 03:32 PM
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It really shouldn't have much of an effect. The reason being few people are really thinking far down the line about STDs and pregnancies when they are having sex. They are just in the moment, especially with readily accessible birth control.
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 02:31 PM
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Essentially I think it means they want to be acknowledged as the leader. I believe the woman has the right to chime in argue and debate the man's decisions. But once the man makes his decision it should be followed and respected. I also believe submission can only work if the man truly has his partner's best interest at heart. If he does not she has no obligation to follow him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 12:30 PM
3

This. Almost every advantage of fp can be found in a self help book.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/22 10:37 PM
1

Friendships and family
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:28 AM
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Dating is actually dying die to the sexual revolution and low level attractiveness amoung both genders. With the sexual revolution we have seen a growth in short term relationships which means women and men don't have to choose the best candidates. Just the ones which satisfies them for the short term length of the relationship. Now this would work if most men and women were attractive but with increasing obesity levels that is increasingly becoming not the case. We have also inflated our ideas …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 11:06 PM
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Most women want to date men a little bit older than them. Usually between 2 to 5 years older I think based on stats. So yeah older men date younger women but not to the extent that most RPs look at it. You are not competing with 50 year olds for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 10:46 AM
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I think you are exaggerating the pervasiveness of the problem. If you meet this woman run, but most women aren't the toxic feminist types.
/r/seduction18/06/22 01:26 PM
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I think it is a people problem in general. Most people do not want to admit they are shallow and inconsiderate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:17 PM
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Misogynists get laid yeah. But what type of girl fucks a Misogynist? Usually all of them are fucking with low value women. And the low value doesn't have to do with looks. It has to do with character, integrity and morals. Many people in this subreddit would call Amber Heard high value simply because she looks attractive ignoring her history of abuse drug use and manipulation. So yeah misogynists are getting laid. But the minute you apply more than simply looks to your value system you realize t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 04:49 PM
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I agree, it seems like more of a defense mechanism. They think that by raising their standards really high they can avoid bad results by choosing better. However this can backfire if you raise the wrong standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:34 PM
1

Manipulation works on both men and women. Men are just less likely to come out and say they were duped.
/r/ExRedPill06/06/22 11:28 PM
1

Yes
/r/ExRedPill06/06/22 03:19 PM
2

You got to trust the experts. It is very believable for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 11:47 AM
2

That is understandable. I just need to find a way to find those women.
/r/seduction04/06/22 03:56 PM
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Well the easiest way to get over a girl is to have fun in other ways after. Call some friends and hang out. Go to parties do your hobbies. You will soon learn you can have a good time without her and you never needed her in the first place.
/r/seduction03/06/22 01:35 PM
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The primary goal of red pill is to force women to adhere to a moral code, and promote men ignoring the moral standard they seek to set. Examples of this are clear Men can cheat but women can't. Men can demand a feminine women but women cannot demand resources without being gold diggers. Attractive women can't be high value but attractive men are. They seek virgins because they have never really been burned by the opposite sex before and have no experience. So it is easy to get them into the trap…
/r/ExRedPill02/06/22 12:01 PM
1

Well in Robert Greene's the Art of seduction he actually says that you need to put in an immense amount of work to succeed. Like you need to make it your mission.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 12:24 PM
3

Honestly I would turn off all Black Pill red pill people all together, because all their arguments try to make the focus of life getting girls when it is so much more than that.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/22 05:47 PM
1

My issue is with you taking this as truth. It really isn't.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/22 05:03 PM
0

That's the funny part. You don't
/r/seduction27/05/22 07:16 PM
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Firstly I would like to appreciate the fact you showed the racial diversity in this discontent. The media likes to paint the issue as exclusively white and male when if we include gang shootings and other reported shootings kids have been killing kids from all races for the longest time. Society's failure to save disenfranchised men is a big issue. Specifically men who lack education, lack income and lack socialization. Men are often considered the most privileged group when the reality is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 10:41 AM
1

Honestly don't worry about it. You made a good move.
/r/seduction25/05/22 11:25 PM
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I think you might be ignoring other unique factors to your situation. Where you live, how many tinder accounts you have had and your pictures can all affect your like rate. Maybe you are below average in one of these. For example living in the suburbs can lead to a terrible dating life as fewer your people live in your area. Terrible pictures can also turn people away. I don't know which pictures you use but it can have a big affect. There are many factors to poor performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 12:18 PM
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Okay maybe we are in different circles. But Matthew Hussey literally had to host a talk with women about what expecting a man to pay signals to men so I know a sizable amount of women still think this way. Maybe not you and your friends but a lot of women do. Also you didn't counter my other points.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 11:51 AM
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Most of the arguments in this sub do not take into account the real issues that exist from race. For instance as an average BM most women who are white and Asian will not find me attractive. However if we compare people at similar levels of attractiveness and of the same race the women always have it easier due to societal expectations. However I would argue men have it harder because of the societal expectations placed on them in dating. They are expected to fund the date, take the lead and eng…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 11:41 AM
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They are both honestly equally bad. In one case, you will blame all failures with women on yourself. If a girl simply didn't find you attractive it is because you weren't alpha enough versus the reality which is some girls just won't like you. In black pill you will stop trying entirely and blame all your failures on your genetics to the point you push away women who are actually attracted to you. Both are bad for you mental health.
/r/ExRedPill25/05/22 12:02 AM
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Red pill claims you can't women because you haven't worked to get them. You don't deserve them because you are not alpha and you can become alpha by being a misogynist douchebag. Black pill claims you can't get women because your genetics are poor. I get what you are saying and I somewhat agree that that is a very important difference.
/r/ExRedPill24/05/22 10:42 PM
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They are opposites. Red pill claims wome are a meritocracy where men can climb a ladder to get to the top. Black pill claims there is nothing you can do to get better.
/r/ExRedPill24/05/22 10:22 PM
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Yeah I agree. But the roomates has changed a lot. Now of days so many of their videos are about women it is insane. It is really sad watching the change.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/22 12:43 AM
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I am not arguing about the validity of the strategy. I am arguing the rationalization of this methodology. OP claimed it is because of male confusion. I am stating it is because men are trying to gage desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 01:40 PM
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I don't personally use this strategy but I am explaining the rationalization behind the sex on the first date pressure. OP claimed that it is because men don't know what they want. I am saying it is because men desire to know whether the girl is attracted to them or not sooner rather than much later.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 01:39 PM
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I'm not so sure about that. If your 5 dates in and haven't even expressed a desire to get to know her sexually, she might write you off.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 01:17 PM
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So you now understand why men push for sex on the first date. It is to show that sexual interest you just spoke of.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 01:14 PM
10

I did for a long time. But now I am done
/r/ExRedPill22/05/22 01:11 PM
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I don't think you're right. I think it is more due to the confusing nature of some woman and the experiences most guys face. Women can be very confusing and sex on the first date often means that she is at least physically attracted to you which is important. In a world where most men have been friendzoned despite having great chemistry and showing great care to a woman, sex is really the only way to know 100 percent that a woman finds you attractive. For example, let's say I take a girl out on …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 01:10 PM
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Honestly it is a mix of looks and personality. People should stop aiming to be 10s and should aim to be the best versions of themselves. As a 5 foot 9 black man, I will never be the complete package to certain types of women. But I do not need the attention of all women. Just the one that matters who will eventually be my wife.
/r/seduction18/05/22 10:54 AM
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Can you link a study debunking the OKcupid stat? I am really interested in reading that study. If we are having a good faith argument I need to see that. If we are really having this debate we can't be lazy. If you read the dating app stats dating app usage has increased at an unprecedented rate with dating apps growing at unprecedented rates. The use of dating apps doubled between 2015 and 2020. They are going mainstream. If they keep growing at this rate, eventually they will become the main w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 10:17 PM
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I believe it is the majority of men because it is common knowledge that the average woman does not find the average man attractive. There are multiple studies that point to this. Most specifically the OKCupid research finds that women on the site find 80 percent of men their below average in attractiveness. And we already know that dating apps are growing rapidly becoming our primary method of dating. And attractiveness plays a key part in success there You could ask a man to find a woman to dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:59 PM
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I think the problem is you are extrapolating based upon an uncommon person. The average person wants to have an average life. Work a meaningful job, meet a life long partner and eventually grow a family. The problem is the dating market is making that difficult for the vast majority of men. It's not that the men can't find women, but it is the idea that the average man will be expected to give much more to get much less out of a woman. It's the lack of fairness that really makes people get stirr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 09:42 PM
15

To sell his course and make money off people who don't know better. Selling a dating course is like preaching. They can claim if it doesn't work you simply are not doing it right while collecting money from you.
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 01:43 AM
3

Well going to the military would help, but are you seriously going to risk your life for some female validation.
/r/ExRedPill14/05/22 10:16 PM
4

I mean being friends with the girls friends gives you a better chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 09:46 PM
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It's not about the money. It's about the lifestyle it allows. Most people making big bucks can vacation more often, rent out yatchs, get into exclusive parties etc. You get to live in better places closer to the city which makes picking up woman much easier than living on the outskirts. The money also builds confidence in most people. A lot of people lack financial confidence which becomes very relevant when you start talking about long term relationships. The older you get the more confidence y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 02:00 PM
1

I am not in shape. I will admit that. I am about 20 pounds away from. My best weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 01:45 PM
2

Foreplay man, foreplay. Try to get her really really aroused.
/r/seduction12/05/22 09:52 PM
1

I think part of that is just social conditioning. Like when men are told to constantly shield there sexual interest from women to make them feel more safe and secure they learn to either not interact or act like nonsexual beings to get by. Bad boys often break those unwritten rules and get rewarded for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 09:21 PM
3

I think part of that is just social conditioning. Like when men are told to constantly shield there sexual interest from women to make them feel more safe and secure they learn to either not interact or act like nonsexual beings to get by. Bad boys often break those unwritten rules and get rewarded for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 09:20 PM
1

Honestly it is summer. Just sunbathe in a park or something.
/r/ExRedPill11/05/22 10:30 PM
2

It really depends. Never do things for women but do them for yourself. But having a car greatly increases the range with which you can meet people.
/r/ExRedPill11/05/22 10:22 PM
3

I think you are focusing too much on the goal and not enough on the execution. If your goal is meet more girls you have to focus on building a quality social life. You need a group of friends that have very good networks and who invite you out to events or hangs where you get to meet new people. Once you build up this social group you can expect to get 3 to 4 high quality leads (girls you can date) a month. Now going to dance class can help you build this but only if you don't become the creepy …
/r/seduction11/05/22 11:30 AM
1

I would say try to be friends, but if she doesn't pull her weight cut her off fast. Many women who reject men expect them to become their slaves after. I did that once. A girl knew I liked her and used me for free drinks and food. I obliged because I still liked her. And now I wasted both time and money on her. If you are sure you want to do this make sure you personally keep your boundaries clear. Make sure she gives back to you at somepoint, maybe not in the first week but after a month of fri…
/r/seduction11/05/22 11:08 AM
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No. Being too clear about what you want can scare them off. Instead gently hint at it. Make a sexual joke or two while maintaining normal conversation. Touch her but in a way that slowly escalates so you can pull back if she rejects it etc. The goal should be to get her number and or make your presence felt with a kiss. If you want the latter you need to be more physical, dance with her etc. If you want the former you just have to have the convo then ask.
/r/seduction11/05/22 11:03 AM
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You should remain friends because her rejecting you because she is gay is not embarrassing. I'll list the reasons why this is a good idea Even if she told her friends about her rejecting you the likelihood they will read negatively into it is low because of the circumstances. I mean she literally doesn't fuck men. Also women are often the gate keepers to other women. If she has female friends you get an outlet to hand with them plant seeds and eventually hook up with a few of them. Even if she d…
/r/seduction11/05/22 10:59 AM
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First remember that people go to parties to socialize. People are expecting to get talked to. Secondly remember to just not escalate too fast.
/r/seduction11/05/22 10:51 AM
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Well I think we can all agree that being good socially takes a great deal of creativity. Which is a factor in general intelligence. So creative people are more intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:24 AM
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I think it has to do with time. A lot of people work jobs that are very time consuming. They also live in areas where access to young women is lacking. Let me give you an example. I live in the suburbs and I am 23. The average person I see here is either underage or 40. So finding people who I can meet with is difficult. Even when I try to join activities to meet people I find most of them are out of my age range requirements. I mean being social like you stated definitely is a great method but …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:20 PM
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True but it is very common to find misogyny amongst RP figurehead. I can find instances of about 80 percent of them exposing some Misogynistic bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:17 PM
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Fresh and Fit made a show saying the female orgasm doesn't matter. And that in sex you shouldn't try to please your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:13 PM
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I think it is closer to 60 40. Because a lot of the views that come from some RP content creators are straight misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:07 PM
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While I agree with some aspects of this post a lot of men defend women online simply because they agree with them and their points. Sometimes men disagree about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:01 PM
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The below average man and women are just people below average statistics of attractiveness. So the morbidly obese, people making at least 10 percent less than the median income for their age group, people who didn't finish at least high school etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 10:15 AM
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Yes but as I have said many times attractiveness can affect the way your actions are perceived. A hot guy who is flirtatious and forward will be reacted to differently than an ugly or aver6guy who does the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:36 PM
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Attractiveness does play a role in our level of sympathy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 12:49 PM
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I think you are right for the most part though I think your post somewhat makes the mistake of assuming that weight directly translates to attractiveness. Many people can be overweight due to muscle mass. Muscular people are often overweight according to bmi measures due to the extra weight building muscle can put on you. Also fat distribution plays a big part. As fat distributes on the body, most women get big butts and bigger boobs which make them more attractive even though they are gaining w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 12:27 PM
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She is an example of how attractiveness can help shift perception. Many people like to blame the Metoo movement for people believing her so quickly but part of it was the fact that she was very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 11:58 AM
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Well that is also a perception thing. Having more sexual partners especially in the context of porn is off-putting to most men. The 50 shades of grey example just highlights how different actions taken by two different people with the only difference being attractiveness can lead to different results. There are many other examples. For instance flirting. If an attractive man makes a sexual joke, he will get much more leeway because he is attractive than an otherwise average person would get. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 11:51 AM
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Well there are stats that show that attractiveness can affect perception. Let's take for instance abusive men. In movies like a Street Car named desire, and 50 shades of grey male protagonists show aggressive and abusive tendencies towards there significant others. They are seen as sex symbols. Now imagine a much uglier person were to engage in the same activities. He would not become a sex symbol. He would just be an abuser. So a person can be perceived differently doing the same action just be…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 11:31 AM
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Well I believe you have oversimplified the problem. 1. While having social skills does help it is definitely not the end all be all. Being thought of in a sexual way is. The term DUFF exist (designated ugly fat friend) exists for a reason. There are people who are very social and very active but due to their appearance are never thought of in a sexual manner. This especially happens in East Asian populations. Indian accents are traditionally not sexy after all. The things that make you social wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 11:22 AM
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Well it does happen but you have to think about how often it happens right? Most women are not getting flown out to vacations to do things with rich people. Most will date a few guys in college and high school who have little to no money, then date a guy who makes and average income. Proportionally I also don't think women really need our protection anymore or at least to the extent they needed it in the past. The chance of a woman getting into a violent confrontation is actually lower than a ma…
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 01:37 AM
4

So all the women in the "women how does it feel when you are horny" thread are just lying? Your hypothesis seems to completely ignore women's own written accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 10:34 PM
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For someone to be rehabilitated they have to want to be. In many cases the red pill forces many to reject anyone genuinely reaching out to help. There is also a heavy confirmation bias because it peddles in half truths. Yes some wen are absolute assholes in dating. And yes things like height and income matter in relationships. But that isn't the case in all or even most interactions.
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 09:38 AM
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Well it is true that many men are having difficulties in the dating market. Red pill gives people an analysis they think makes sense and which subtly exonerates them of all responsibility for there relationship failures. If a woman doesn't choose you she is getting ran through. Your failures are genetic and you can't change (Chad, Tyrone etc) The women will come back to you when they are old and used up etc when in reality they usually just settle down. Just a lot of justification.
/r/ExRedPill02/05/22 03:28 PM
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Firstly it was revealed that they said that in order for women to appear on the show they had to sleep with them. The text messages are there. Secondly, Fresh Prince CEO was revealed to be sleeping with a known sugar baby in exchange for paying her bills and letting her live with him (the exact opposite if what Alpha men do). Both of them show limited debate ability beyond simply repeating themselves and making false equivalence. Finally ask your friend if he would want to date any of the women …
/r/ExRedPill01/05/22 05:02 PM
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Fuck no. They are man enough to admit and pursue what they want instead of making youtube channels to complain about it. What you want is what you want. You don't need a council of social opinion to decide what is good for you. You should feel proud you know what you want. Most people dont.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 11:51 PM
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Red pillers hate women in the western world because the existence of there free choice makes them feel subpar. In a culture where women can freely choose their partners not being chosen usually means that 50 percent of the population found you inadequate. Red piller will get around this situation by insulting female choice (women want bad boys, they don't know what is good for them). In less developed countries women rarely have access to true relationship choice so they can essentially buy a wi…
/r/ExRedPill30/04/22 09:49 PM
2

If this is your definition where in my original post did it suggest the existence of .01 elite Chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 05:24 PM
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Your argument as I understood it was that women due to having a lower sex drive have little interest in meeting and dating men. I said that this is false and that women often just desire the attention of men they deem attractive. I also stated this happens with both genders. The statistics about attractiveness privilege are all over the internet to see. Attractive people often have their worst qualities turned into positives etc. The Chad stuff is also not a myth. There is a group of men who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 05:01 PM
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I first got into the red pill around 2017. Around that time I was in college and I kept getting rejected by girls I liked. And I really wanted to do better with them so I began to watch a lot of dating content. Some of that dating content was the red pill. I really got sucked into it in 2020 when a girl I was seeing began sleeping around with a ton of other guys. I was also chasing another girl who was very promiscuous and banged a ton of my friends. Red pill helped me cope with that but made me…
/r/ExRedPill29/04/22 04:50 PM
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I think it probably is some level of resentment over being rejected by women in the past. Most people need professional help to figure there dating lives out.
/r/ExRedPill29/04/22 04:42 PM
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You are wrong. Attractive men get hit on all the time. Women fall for them chase them etc. Go to any college campus and you will find the 2 attractive men there fighting off multiple women trying to get with them. The truth is both genders heavily overvalue people who are attractive often to the detriment of less attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 04:27 PM
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I think it is partially because there is little reward for being interesting when you are very attractive. It's not like you need to every carry a conversation. People run at you trying every move in the book to keep you interested. Trying to be interesting while attractive is like trying to entertain a TV. It really is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 12:33 AM
1

It's not white men. It is rich men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 12:11 AM
1

I think it is just a biological temperament.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 09:26 PM
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Being a woman is very similar to being famous. Everyone wants to bang you to tell their friends they banged a super star. Few of those people actually want to build a life with you. These people are also willing to lie, manipulate and gaslight you into sex with them.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/22 11:00 PM
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I disagree heavily with this. Not asking women for advice is like not asking customers how you can improve your service. It leads to you running around blindly testing out theories rather than getting good information. A great example of this is the whole alpha male epidemic I am seeing on YouTube. A lot of the advice they give is complete shit and is in the most contrived scenarios. Anyone here think that the men on YouTube are getting play from anyone other than the drunk girl at the club who …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 12:53 PM
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Yes. Because you are aiding and abetting a moral crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 12:08 PM
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Men and women don't have the same amount of people available to eachother. You just have to look at the tinder stats for that. The issue is women often have many choices but those choices like you said can lead to very dangerous outcomes so they have to be picky to avoid those.
/r/ExRedPill26/04/22 05:44 PM
1

I used to be a roomates fan. But like you I have come to hate them for there gender bashing and BS. Why do you hate them?
/r/ExRedPill26/04/22 05:42 PM
1

She is beautiful. I mean there is a reason why the milf category is a very popular category of porn. Men even these red pill men don't really care about a woman's age in terms of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 04:01 PM
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The wall does exist but in the context of starting families. Having children after 30 is increasingly difficult for women. So if a woman has aspirations of having a traditional family but ends up at 35 without one, the likelihood she can attract a man who wants the same thing is low. Because that man would rather start a family with a younger woman less likely to die in childbirth. It has really nothing to do with attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:39 PM
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The wall does exist but only really in the context of starting a family. Most women past the age 35 will not be able to have kids without putting themselves at risk. Most men and women want to play the hook up game and eventually fall into a long term relationship. So people usually point to women playing the field in their 20s and then suddenly trying to find a good stable guy in their early 30s. Men can start families in there 40s even though I would never recommend that. So they have a little…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 02:36 PM
1

Well I would argue that once women find a man they are attracted too, they try their hardest to form a personality he will like. They try to pick up his interests and become very reactive to his moods and motions. As for the romantic sensitive men thing, often times the reasons women fall more for singers and actors than nameless models is because they feel they can get his personality through his performances. There is a reason why the Beetles, Elvis and currently Harry Styles claim massive amo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 01:09 AM
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Firstly those are great questions. To your first reply, I was focusing on men themselves. Men will often say, if I had abs and money all the girls would want me and I would be swimming in sex. Red pill dating coaches often empathize this as well. However women often aren't turned on by those things as much as they think and many men who possess both end up without any sexual attention. These same men often complain about women sleeping with bums etc. Also treating someone well doesn't automatica…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 12:31 AM
3

I love this. Stephen Thompson is the NMF champ (nicest mother fucker).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 10:51 PM
2

Take advantage of all the different types of media. Memes, videos photos voice notes text messages poems etc. Just be very creative.
/r/seduction19/04/22 04:32 PM
9

Most people don't know what they want even when they say they do. Almost everyone is playing a game based on vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 11:42 AM
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I think a person who partakes in societally subversive behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 08:19 PM
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Firstly if you are suicidal get professional help. Call the suicide hotline right now. But on a second note, dating apps suck for all men. Most men get barely any matches and of the matches they get they get almost no replies. I think you should try to meet women I'm real life. And it doesn't have to be at night. It can be during your lunch break, it can be when you go out to a book store. Hell it can even be at work if you make sure to not be obnoxious about it. Learn to talk to women in real l…
/r/ExRedPill17/04/22 11:19 AM
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I mean there actually is a study that reflects that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 04:10 PM
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I think the extent of drug use is the question. Many of the frat people I was talking about were on the verge of becoming addicts. I mean getting drunk 3 nights a week is definitely pushing the envelope. Again I will acknowledge this is anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 03:59 PM
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That is an interesting take. But in my college experience it seemed a ton of non bad boys partied as well and got no play. I do think the carefree nature can be part of it as it takes a level of care to say you won't do this or that. The bad girls thing might be true as the girls who go to frat parties just like the men are more likely to be more sexually active. I do know that one thing I was recently thinking about was how frats had home field advantage due to parties taking place in there hou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 03:12 PM
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True. I am only 23 so college was almost a quarter of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 02:56 PM
2

Yeah that is definitely hard to quantify.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 02:53 PM
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I mean if you read about both Brando and Mcqueen they were actual women abusers. Also was focusing more on bad boys by action and not look.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 02:51 PM
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Can you get me a study that corroborated this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 02:26 PM
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Thanks man. So far the data points towards one direction...women like bad boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 01:46 PM
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Yeah. But you acknowledge that it seemed bad boys got a lot of attention. I am not saying extroversion is at all correlated to being a bad boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 01:45 PM
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Thanks man. Your the first person to actually give me a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 01:36 PM
3

That is interesting. So social capital seems to maybe be a factor in this. Yeah interesting theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 01:35 PM
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No but you can be a high achieving bad boy. Marlon Brando and Steve Mcqueen were world recognized actors and were bad boys. Even at the college level their are guys who get high grades but treat women like shit, do plenty of drugs and break the rules. There are plenty of people who work in corporate that do the same thing. You can also be a low achieving nice guy aka the man who is nice to everyone but plays games in his moms basement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 01:26 PM
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I mean being bad and being low acheiving are two different things. I think you are conflating the terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/22 01:22 PM
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You sound like Elliot Rodger. "Why won't girls date me a super smart braniac and keep dating lesser men?". I'll be honest with you. Maybe those guys you called dumb are better than you at something. Maybe they are more fit. Maybe they hold conversation better. Maybe their lives are more interesting etc. You might need to improve on a couple of these things. Also I have found in my experience that many people who are "bad boys" simply treat the women around them the same as the men. If they clown…
/r/seduction16/04/22 12:03 PM
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First you have to understand that female sexuality is very diverse. Women as a whole like a lot of different things. Black Pill acts like women like one thing which can be easily rated from 1 to 10. Also understand that self improvement can actually increase your desirability. Finally understand that the women on line are not representative of the women in the real world. Most content creators like to act like they are normal people but are not entirely.
/r/ExRedPill14/04/22 08:52 PM
1

I think people under estimate how much getting fit can increase your looks. With 50 percent of America overweight or obese you will most likely become a 7 if you become really healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 08:46 PM
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It's because a group of uneducated men decided to read evolutionary biology for the first time. They don't understand the research or any of the real points that matter.
/r/ExRedPill12/04/22 10:04 PM
1

Just like getting a job sometimes requires changes be made. I don't think being more healthy or learning to express yourself changes who you fundamentally are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 10:01 PM
2

This is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:32 PM
1

But in a different way. That is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:47 PM
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Women are not a monolith. There are women who want short term relationships and women who want long term relationships. The post asks men to prioritize improving for long term relationships ignoring the fact that there exist many women who want short term one. I was just calling this out. What people want in short term relationships is different from what people want in long term relationships. So improving for one doesn't necessarily improve you for the other. Therefore when the post assumes th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:33 PM
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If you read your 6th paragraph you ask men to prioritize the long term relationships by improving themselves to suit these. But I am telling you most 19 year olds are not looking to settle down. So why prioritize improving for a market of women you cannot unlock until much later?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:08 PM
2

If you read your 6th paragraph you ask men to prioritize the long term relationships by improving themselves to suit these. But I am telling you most 19 year olds are not looking to settle down. So why prioritize improving for a market of women you cannot unlock until much later?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:07 PM
2

To an extent yes. But people most people get worse as they get older after like 35?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 11:51 AM
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Well I never said you were competing with your 45 year old dating coach. Like I said you are competing with essentially your older brother. A person who due to being 4 years older than you has more experience and achievement. I think you underestimate how much 4 years can do for a person. The difference between a 20 year old and a 24 year old is large.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 10:56 AM
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I see what you did there. But it depends on the age the men are aiming for. If the men are aiming for women their own age then they are definitely competing with there big brothers. So for a certain percentage of possible sexual partners every group will compete with older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 10:49 AM
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But they are competing with there big brothers who have better jobs more money and more experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 10:36 AM
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Well that is true. But just because you can do something doesn't mean the majority of people can do it. Especially considering the capital requirements for college, a trip through Europe etc. I assume your parents helped a little bit with that and not everyone goes to schools or has parents who can afford those opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 10:32 AM
2

Try talking to new girls in New locations. Also sometimes you have to take a break from the game to live a more interesting life for yourself. Go to a comedy club. Go diving at the beach. Start a martial art etc. Then come back with stories.
/r/seduction11/04/22 11:15 PM
3

It actually will. Grow your hair out, work out, dress a little older and you can look older in like 6 months.
/r/seduction11/04/22 11:10 PM
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The problem I have with your argument is how young you are expecting men to develop the things you list. Your expecting a 19 year old to have a fully formed sense of self hobbies and a full life? You are also assuming young men are aiming for long term relationships. Like most 19 year olds just want to fuck. Women aren't interested in settling down at that age either so why cater to those women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 11:05 PM
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I think it is because our society pushes that hard work can get you anything and simps apply this to relationships. Many simps get good grades, great jobs and great lives by simply working harder. But then they meet that woman they like and think if I work really hard to get her to like me she will. But people really do not work like that.
/r/seduction11/04/22 10:35 PM
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I think it is because our society pushes that hard work can get you anything and simps apply this to relationships. Many simps get good grades, great jobs and great lives by simply working harder. But then they meet that woman they like and think if I work really hard to get her to like me she will. But people really do not work like that.
/r/seduction11/04/22 10:35 PM
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That is true but they were also taught that if they gave enough to a woman she would eventually love them. So they get stuck in a cycle of giving more and more until they breakdown.
/r/seduction11/04/22 10:33 PM
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They really don't get women on a large scale. I mean maybe the instagram wannabes do but most rich people don't really have it like that. What usually does happen is the type of women who are users and want to steal a man's money will gravitate towards the areas where these men hang out and try to start shit. Most of the rich men see this and do not take these women up on it. Some do and usually end up paying heavy child support. I have seen many introverted men making 6 figures who can't even g…
/r/seduction11/04/22 10:54 AM
2

I think remote work has made me increasingly comfortable with my partner pursuing a career.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 10:30 AM
1

There is single by choice and single by default. Single by choice is what most women are. They see no point in a relationship or haven't met someone they think is worthy yet. Single by default is no woman thinks you are worthy. A quick example. Women get many more matches than men and if they wanted to be in a relationship with one of the 200 matches they get they could. Unattractive men get no matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 03:00 PM
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Also female sexual pleasure wasn't a researched and understood thing until recently. Now at least it is almost universally understood that a man has to try to get his girl to orgasm. Or else he is a dick.
/r/ExRedPill08/04/22 02:52 PM
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Haha yeah. I don't like the whole Alpha fucks beta bucks bullshit. Women get used by bad men, learn from their mistakes and then try to do better. They aren't trying to alpha fuck beta buck. They are trying to find better partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:58 PM
2

Well it really depends on which facet of red pill you want to prove. I believe women have by far the most advantages in getting relationships. They have the wider selection of men from dating apps and therefore can reject men for as little as 1 or 2 mistakes. Most women are single by choice simply because they don't think the men around them are worthy. Men are single because they can't find any woman who wants them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:55 PM
2

It's not simply that. I think a lot of arguments in TRP focus on the difficulties that exist in gaining and mantaining a woman's attention and these beliefs can be applied to long term situations. I believe LTR are important and TRP shows that it is getting increasingly hard to find and maintain these relationships mostly due to changes in women and their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:47 PM
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It doesn't have to represent all men. It has to represent a big enough proportion of men that it can't be ignored. Just like all women do not want to work and all women do not want kids. Now how many men are having issues in the dating market? Given the rise of youtube dating gurus and red pill coaches, a lot. I don't agree with all TRP tenants, but the fact that a sizable population is having problems with dating and finds the existing suggestions inadequate (be yourself, the right girl will co…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:43 PM
4

Well I would argue sex and relationships are important. I mean the denial of them is central to suffering in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:40 PM
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It's because especially for men few are considered attractive by women. Because of this admiting looks are number one is subconsciously admiting that most men have no chance in dating. And that is just tragic.
/r/ExRedPill08/04/22 10:04 AM
2

It's not your particular past actions. It's the current ones. Many girls I talk to will say they care about safety but engage in unsafe behaviors at the same time. Especially at the young adult level. Maybe I am wrong but it seems common since a ton of people here complain about female contradictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 08:06 PM
0

I dislike the contradictions. You claim to want safety but you date and remain with a drug dealer, or hook up with a person you only met for one night while on vacation in Vegas. Like they do dangerous stuff then say being a safe guy is the best bet to being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 06:58 PM
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I dislike the contradictions. You claim to want safety but you date and remain with a drug dealer, or hook up with a person you only met for one night while on vacation in Vegas. Like they do dangerous stuff then say being a safe guy is the best bet to being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 06:55 PM
2

You forgot the "let me fuck you exclusively for the next few years." I mean you are talking about boyfriends right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 09:23 AM
3

Well body language plays a big part in attraction. Movement does as well. And both of those reflect personality without conversation. Even fashion sense can show personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 09:14 AM
3

No, it proves that personality is easier to show irl. And that talking to women in person increases your chances of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 09:04 AM
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I would argue that it isn't because dating apps lend themselves to image based dating. I mean how much personality can you get from a 140 character bio? Compared to an actual conversation in person. Online dating forces people to be superficial because there really isn't any other option. Off dating apps people are much less superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 08:47 AM
1

Well the minute you learn to ask questions and tell stories you become a great conversationalist. Just watch comedians and try to copy them. I learned how to be great at conversation in a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 11:58 PM
1

Honestly good conversation and the ability to escalate. Most men lack one of these
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 11:45 PM
2

The truth is what you are describing is a very small subset of men. Most men who lack in one way are fully able to compensate in other ways. It is rarely a point that a person is a complete genetic mess of undesirable characteristics. Also you are describing the most transactional type of relationship. In most relationships people do things because they like to do them. Like in your analogy someone is paying for an umbrella. In reality most people like spending time with there significant others…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 01:27 PM
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Well I agree wholeheartedly with this. It seems we as a society have become obsessed with having our cake and eating it too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 09:58 AM
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April Fools. This can't be real right.
/r/seduction02/04/22 10:26 PM
2

Holding his hand, asking him out to do thing etc. If he takes you out on dates insist on paying at least once. Kisses, massages etc
/r/seduction02/04/22 10:22 PM
3

Watch Californication. Hank Moody does this all thr time and you can learn from him.
/r/seduction02/04/22 12:16 PM
1

Often earning wages is the first step to building wealth because it gives you the option to buy assets over liabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 09:43 AM
2

Haha yeah please don't flame me too hard. I think you get what I am saying
/r/seduction01/04/22 10:29 PM
3

Yeah and do you know how many crazy courses those rp people push? It's all a marketing campaign.
/r/ExRedPill01/04/22 09:46 PM
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I think this is a very simplistic take. I think the real problem is sometimes women make comments about situations and things they have no experience with. Like most of the posts here are men trying to get women. Has a woman every had to flirt with a girl get her number and hopefully get a response? No so the advice they give might be inaccurate hence the down voting. This is just a theory. But I am open to anything.
/r/seduction01/04/22 07:38 PM
2

You find someone else. That is all you can do.
/r/seduction01/04/22 04:11 PM
2

The problem you see is you are thinking longterm and not short term. Most of the people in the manosphere( the men who think the bad boy wins) are the men seeking hook ups and short term dating. Bad boys do not suceed long term. But they succeed short term which is what most people in this forum care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 03:50 PM
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Personalities. Being good looking is like being an athlete. Some genetics, some hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 12:18 PM
2

Yeah a lot of red pill tenants are common sense. There is a reason why the makeover is a trope in movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:30 PM
1

Honestly for me yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:24 PM
4

Yeah but I think that happens naturally in any self improvement and development journey. Like the requirements you had back in high school are not the same as the ones you will have now. Why? Because you most likely have grown much more mature. Just like the requirements of a 28 year old are usually higher than a college aged women. As we grow we change and it is almost inevitable that we may outgrow our partners and outgrow certain behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:58 AM
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Well dating is a question of whether you have the attributes to attract the person you want. If I want to date a Hollywood supermodel but I am a subnormal guy, do I have the attributes to get her? Can I compete with the rich supermodels who have my personality but also money looks and status? It is the same thing as the car capital requirement. Some people can never get what they want and can choose between chasing after people who don't want them or settling for and learning to respect and cher…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:49 AM
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You can effectively do both I believe. It's like boxing. You can't beat Mike Tyson as a first year boxer, so you crush some weaker boxers while you build your skills. And eventually with enough improvement you might be able to stand toe to toe with him. Aim for who you can get while elevating yourself to who you eventually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:41 AM
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People successfully lower their standards all the time. Many people want to drive Lamborghinis but enjoy the honda civic they bought. And they are completely happy with driving it. People lower their standards on where they want to live what they wear etc. And they don't become bitter. They just learn to enjoy less. Your point is illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:38 AM
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I think porn also has made the world somewhat safer. Back in thr day men would do all sort of borderline predatory things to get off. Stalking, hiding in women's rest rooms etc. Now most of them indulge their curiosity. But what I think porn really has done is it has allowed uncompetitive men to avoid the sexual market all together. If porn didn't exist we would have the same market now but with very horny incels running around angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 05:35 PM
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Yeah I agree. I also hate when people use the biology argument. Like in the animal kingdom, all the weak men die and the strong men are the only ones left. And in the animal kingdom women don't work jobs and out earn most men.
/r/seduction30/03/22 11:01 AM
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I completely agree. They fake their lifestyle, use their platform to sleep with girls, tried to silence youtubers etc.
/r/seduction30/03/22 10:51 AM
1

The average woman will have 4.3 sex partners in her lifetime. Unless you care about all the sex women have with their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 11:14 AM
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Honestly someone who is willing to listen and take the time to understand me. I feel I will put in the same effort to understand them. I also want the two of us to have a collective attitude where we help eachother solve our problems. I also want honesty and certainty that they will at least try to maintain the relationship. And I will always try too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 10:58 AM
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I just want support. Life is a brutal sport which often leaves me injured and in need of comfort and love. I believe there is something unique about the love a significant other gives, something which will help me heal my broken soul.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 10:52 AM
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It actually comes from gender narcissism. This is the belief that all people think like your gender. Girls display this by underestimating the male desire for sex, and ignoring the hierarchical nature of male relationships. They also often times ignore other issues because they do not traditionally think that way. In the same way men think women think like them. So they think women value being super sexually attractive and having tons of sex. This narcissism also affects what men and women think…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 10:28 AM
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Children, family, the next generation. A mother to your children. A partner in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 11:18 PM
2

Another issue is the confirmation bias associated with most of their points. If a woman dates someone other than you, that guy has to be an alpha and a jerk. Its much easier to accept that than to accept that sexuality really isn't a game that makes sense. To these guys, being a jerk is simply being independent and not treating women any different than the men around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 09:24 AM
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My problem with this space is its attempt to moralize female sexual behavior. Women just want to have sex with the most attractive people and settle down with the best people for relationships. It is no different from guys who would bang a stripper in a one night stand but not take her to the marriage ceremony. Female nature isn't that different from male nature and men in the same position would do the exact same thing. This post claims women are sociopathic and greedy for doing what any ration…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 09:18 AM
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I do believe it is unfair. Right now less that 10 percent of Americans are below 15 percent bodyfat. It's crazy to have those expectations. Though we as men do have advantages towards losing weight. Due to muscle mass and TRT we can lose weight much faster than women can and keep it off more effectively. So if we want to get leaner it is actually easier for us
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:38 PM
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The real truth is that more successful people are attractive than poor people. There is a reason as you go up in income people get taller, more fit and better looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 02:23 PM
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I am not saying it doesn't. But these discussions are based around generalities. The science says that the majority of women store fat this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 02:13 PM
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https://www.bellemedical.com/blog/why-men-and-women-store-fat-differently/ Read this
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 01:58 PM
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It also has to do with fat distribution. Women's fat first hits their thighs butts and boobs. So as women gain weight they can get curvier which is more attractive to many men. Curvier figures are traditionally more attractive. There are plenty of curvy women I can point to who if they lost 10 or 20 pounds would actually be less attractive. However as men get fatter, the fat mostly hits the stomach and spreads around the body. This makes them immediately less attractive as they gain fat. I feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 01:36 PM
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Yeah. The problem is people are very judgemental in the dating market. Like when I tell girls I write poetry they immediately think I will become obsessed and write about them. People would rather judge than find out it seems. It's terrible.
/r/seduction25/03/22 09:25 AM
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I don't think they do but it is very common for people from those experiences to not be fully put together. Just like many men here would not date very damaged women, women do the same to men. I don't think it is one sided.
/r/seduction25/03/22 09:21 AM
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You have no responsibility to care for someone you do not want to care for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 09:19 AM
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Yeah I also use them for body motivation because I know they are natural. Like Marlon Brando and Steve Mcqueen
/r/seduction25/03/22 01:28 AM
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Without attraction yes. Even with attraction yes. So long as there is self control.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 01:07 AM
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Losing weight. 10 pounds down, trying to lose 30. Already got my fashion by copying Steve Mcqueen. Hair cuts. Confidence.
/r/seduction25/03/22 01:07 AM
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True but my point is women you have spent a little time near are more likely to give you a chance than a random person you run into in the street.
/r/seduction24/03/22 10:26 AM
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I do. Male btw. It really frees me from a group and allows me to not feel embarrassed at rejection.
/r/seduction23/03/22 07:46 PM
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I think you are not being strategic. Do you have friends? Have club activities? It is much easier to talk to a woman you have seen out of the corner of your eye for weeks than one you randomly walk into. What about girls at work? So long as you are respectful it shouldn't lead to any bad result. Etc
/r/seduction23/03/22 07:28 PM
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Now I would also prefer that you not make assumptions about me. I never stated that sex was evil nor do I believe so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:08 PM
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It is a complex issue but every decision comes with trade offs. When I went to college I was friends with many different types of people and from almost every woman I talked to they had had an experience where men had shown increasingly predatory behavior. From full on rape to stalking, spreading rumors etc. And those experiences were not exclusive to pretty girls. Every one of them had discussed this experience. The stats bear this out with one in 5 college women being sexually assaulted. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 05:05 PM
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I am not speaking for the older man, but I think separation until adulthood is best for development. Because education needs to cater to both genders who are whole heartedly different it often leads to issues in both genders. For men, there aggression has to be completely suppressed developing a short of unambiguous non aggressive male. This male is more likely to drop out of school, and not amount to much. The women also distract men a lot. For women it puts them in a highly sexual environment …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:27 PM
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I mean the red pill space shames them. People are building profitable youtub channels off that. Women also avoid saying it outright a lot of the time. They will just say you are not my type. Some might be rude but most aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:19 PM
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So what? Honestly things like that don't matter. So what some girls have shallow preferences. Just don't date those girls. If a woman rejects you, think of it as time saved and run after someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:15 PM
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Yeah for sure. Though getting really big arms and a really lean waist can help create the illusion of better proportions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 12:45 PM
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But how large is that percentage? I think it is too small to generalize
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 11:28 AM
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A sense of humor is always a plus. It really just depends on whether I think the jokes are funny or not. Many people do not laugh at politically incorrect jokes. I do. So for me yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 11:18 AM
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Johnny Depp has never looked jacked at his peak. Leonardo Dicarprio has never really looked jacked The Weeknd doesn't look jacked and is 5 9. Harry styles looks like he never works out. All the people I named are people who are considered sex symbols and were considered very attractive. All I am saying is that there are plenty of examples of men who have attainable body standards being sex symbols. OP focuses on gym rats and the muscle argument not the facial argument. So these guys being facial…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 07:52 AM
1

Well unconventional attractive people are more likely to be real. Remember this is online dating and catfishing is prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 01:28 AM
1

Most people are narcissistic in that they believe what works for them works for everyone. In most cases men are comforted by the idea that their problems have a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 01:24 AM
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I think it is just due to differences in body fat distribution. Women's fat first hits the hips and thighs before becoming unattractive. So women as they gain weight can even begin to look better. There butts become larger, they become curvier etc. In the best of cases you get a 2015 2016 Ashley Graham look. Men on the other hand usually have the fat immediately accumulate on the belly which is much less attractive. So women can remain attractive at higher weights than men which makes things dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 01:11 AM
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I would argue you are over simplifying. Women do partake in it too. It is no wonder that there is almost a limitless number of rom coms featuring women civilizing aggressive men (Edward Cullen, James Bond most recently, Christian Grey etc). Like if a woman is attractive enough she can turn an abuser into a weakened simp. Women have played a part in toxic media too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 11:40 AM
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Pair bonding does exist for both genders and is not entirely sexual. I think it is why divorcees are amongst the most depressed populations in the U.S and abroad. However it is due to quality over sequence. We mourn the great relationships we have. I don't think order matters. If you are talking one off sexual encounters than I do not think pair bonding really exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:19 PM
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Could you explain your pair bonding comment? I want to know why it is wrong. It seemed intuitive to me. If you have sex more often with a wide variety of partners it means you know can easily replace your partner at least in a sexual capacity. And this usually means when things get tough, especially in the bed room, you know you can find someone else to do the job.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 09:20 PM
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I think it is because it creates unequal standards of what the cost of sex is. With promicious people there is often little consistency to sexual choice. Some men get it on day one. Some men have to prove themselves over years. This lack of consistency can definitely affect people self esteem. Especially when many women attempt to not sleep with boyfriend material guys to keep the illusion of not being easy. Another thing is promiscuousness suggest you see sex as something for fun alone. And if …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 08:52 PM
1

Simps came first. Do you know how much ancient poetry compares women to goddesses?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 04:26 PM
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Men and women both demonstrate value by showing what the opposite gender wants both sub consciously and consciously. It varies a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 04:16 PM
1

Maybe we read contradictory studies. But at 70 percent of Americans it seems like the chances of finding a physically fit partner are scarce regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 09:52 PM
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I agree. But it shows that we are at a point where maybe 2 in 10 men are actually physical attractive by virtue of fitness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 09:49 PM
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This is a great point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 09:36 PM
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It's actually the opposite according to the CDC data
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 09:34 PM
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And not being overweight doesn't suddenly mean you are physically attractive. Many people are too thin, skinny fat etc. Now I am not asking for physical perfection but general fitness is physically attractive. I mean the evidence even shows this. Then there is such poor fashion among many men despite online resources to dress better. Only reason I am not mentioning women is because that piece has already been said so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 09:32 PM
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Yeah. And they seem to have no energy to better themselves. Like losing weight alone could make it easier for many men. Some don't even want to regularly shower
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 09:20 PM
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Naw it is pretty common amongst most classes of people. Like 70 percent of the country is overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 09:18 PM
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Yeah but I just want to clarify my argument. I am basing this off my perceptions. Women naturally treat eachother different than men. They are more affectionate with eachother. I don't want to be in my head thinking that because you complimented and went out dancing with your friends that something might have happened. It is the paranonia I want to avoid. I know my ability to read women is extremely weak so I find it hard tell the difference between lovers and friends. Say my bi girlfriend strok…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 06:24 PM
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Yeah that could be true. But I think my mistrust comes from my first relationship. A girl I liked cheated on me with her female friend and kept begging that friend for sex while I was in a relationship with her. It crushed my self esteem for a while and I am trying to avoid that. I am sure you are great and respect the boundaries with your friends but I would prefer my partner not have those attractions. It would make me uneasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 05:51 PM
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I would prefer she be loyal attractive, respectful and encouraging. I want her to try to remain attractive after we start our relationship. I would prefer her be strictly straight as I am a little uncomfortable with bisexuality. It makes me distrustful of her friends when I know she has probably made out with them. I also want her to like me as much as I like her. That is about it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 11:12 AM
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It depends on how someone carries the weight. A model like Ashley Graham could get away with weighing 165 and still attracting many, while another girl can weigh like 130 and look fat. It's about how it is carried you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 11:41 PM
2

The beta alpha delineation is based upon what someone can or cannot do. A beta wants to fuck just like an alpha but can't find a woman to fuck or who would willingly fuck him. And Alpha can fuck. This is a sinplication. A whore Madonna is based purely on choice. You can choose to be a virgin or choose to sleep with different people due to the horny nature of men today. Tinder stats prove this. So marrying a virgin at least confirms you married someone who rejected many other suitors and found yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 05:38 PM
3

It is hypocrisy but both situations are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 05:01 PM
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True but it's a game about women's desires not what men are willing to give. There are simply that would give their life savings for a woman and still can't get her. My only argument is that older women want to settle down so the playing field gets easier for older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 03:08 PM
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I do get what you are saying though. The whole peak of life thing is an illusion because at that age many women's dating preferences begin to change. So the 35 year old would be the perfect age for the late 20 year old trying to settle down and get married. So those desperate women become the simps for the older men increasing their value. Especially if you are physically fit and financially stable. They will willingly take a less attractive man (not unattractive but less attractive) who is maki…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:34 PM
1

It's because the sexual market promotes it. Why would a man get married for sex when he can get it for free from a girl just as attractive? Why would a woman commit to you when she can get everything you can offer from someone who never challenges her? If the price is low, why would someone willingly pay more. And for most people the price is low.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 10:24 PM
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There are a number of reasons. You have stated the first one but it is a bit more nuance than that. The PUA space is one the most unregulated spaces out there where literally anyone can go and claim to know how to get women. Anyone can pick up a camera and become a PUA Podcaster talking about how good they are with women. So the PUA Podcaster need to find a way to stand out. THey can't advertise results, they have to fight eachother to prove for marketshare. I mean there is no real way to prove …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:45 PM
1

Well statistics do prove that there are certain body shapes women like most. That a man who is lean has a better facial shape. That being more muscular attracts more people. There is a reason why movie execs force actors to become bodybuilders for new movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 09:04 PM
1

I think it is because the old ideology promises more stability for them in their relationship lives, something that has been abundantly lacking in modern relationships. Most people want relationship stability and believe the past holds the secret to that even though it really doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 08:50 PM
1

No amount of self belief would help you beat a prime mike tyson in a fight as an untrained individual. Same way no amount of self belief will solve the societal issues with the dating sphere
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:19 PM
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It really isn't. Part of the importance of weddings is gaining almost universal recognition from the world of the validity of your relationship, living together while close to that is not the same. Most of society agrees that cheating on a husband is worse than cheating on a boyfriend. They seem to treat married couples differently than dating ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:58 PM
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That used to be the case but now it is less than half. Most people are living together
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:44 PM
2

But how many people are getting married in the first place? Right now it's at like 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:07 PM
2

Well some people learn to emotionally love and support eachother across distances. Like international romances prove as much. It really just depends on the person
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 06:45 PM
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Everyone wants to be a boxer until they get hit in the face. I think the problem is much more complex than just society. And you had a part to play in that too. Firstly society does push toughness. How many motivational videos exist on YouTube talking about poor people making it. David Goggins is a motivational speaker with millions of views. People heap praises on people they believed to have been hard enough to succeed. Just look up motivation on YouTube and you will find them. So I disagree w…
/r/seduction23/02/22 02:07 PM
1

This is awesome and whoever started this thread thank you so much. I hate how both red pillers and each gender acts like dating is impossible due to the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:12 PM
1

Well if a person fully discloses what there intentions and situations are, the responsibility transfers to the other party to make a decision. There is no longer any manipulation if all parties are honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:00 PM
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I get what you are saying but sometimes you need to date other people to know there are more fish in the sea. So long as you are honest about yourself and your situation you should be fine. There are plenty of people who just want short term dating arrangements.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:24 PM
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I mean no. But there would have to be a discussion about weight loss. I will also try my best to help her stay fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 02:14 PM
90

I mean I don't think he is against guys like you who cold approach. He is against guys who don't go out and meet people at all and complain that a girl hasn't fallen into their arms
/r/seduction10/01/22 03:15 PM
1

I assume you mean in relationships. Well relationships are individual in nature. So it depends on the participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:40 PM
1

Usually I ask for a book recommendation, then I ask about new genres. I pivot the conversation to what they like to read and why they like to read it. I then offer to buy them coffee at the Cafe and if they say no ask for their number to meet at some other time.
/r/seduction06/01/22 01:32 AM
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Sorry man but this is just not smart. Leave the dynamic. Wasting time trying to be toxic to a toxic person is just asking to get hurt.
/r/seduction04/01/22 11:34 AM
5

Also parties are the most competitive place for landing girls. Your competition is standing right beside you there. Often the best place to talk and meet girls are areas where most men aren't on the prowl. The library, clubs, gym classes sporting and festivals etc. I have gotten more phone numbers in Barnes and Noble than at parties.
/r/seduction04/01/22 11:22 AM
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Haha my bad. Then yeah you are right. Can't argue with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:39 PM
1

Also I am comparing to national averages. The average American man is 5 9 and 196 pounds, makes 45,000 a year etc. You can be leaner than most people by simply not being overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:38 PM
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I will say that evidence is anecdotal but my advice is for people complaining on these forums. Maybe I am wrong. However in my experience improving oneself physically can have great affects on attracting the opposite sex. You can look at all the weight loss forums for proof. The skills required for selling cars can be applied to different situations. Being able to listen to customers, understand their demands, come off calm, resolve conflicts and serve them can all be applied to real life conver…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:36 PM
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I would argue that the changes that women demand from the culture have not had much of an effect on relationships hence the current divide. No matter how much people try to change the culture some things remain the same. Body positivity hasn't changed the fact that most men want fit women. It hasn't changed the fact that body count matters. Besides I think you didn't read the female part of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:32 PM
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It's not about owning a house. It is about independence. It is about not having to sneak girls past your mom and Dad, or share the shower with your little brother. Even if you live in a shitty apartment it is at least your apartment and you get to call the shots. You don't need a palace, just your own place. Charisma isn't entirely natural. Many people specifically sales people are taught how to communicate effectively enough to convince strangers to trust them. Charisma can be learned and train…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:26 PM
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You are right. However all romantic love begins with attraction so building up one's ability to be physically attractive makes it easier to find love or at least gives you more options for a long term partner. I think we agree more than disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:16 PM
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For men it is different. We do have a more active sex drive. However I think your experience is very unique. Also you haven't complained so I have no issue with people like you. It is the people in these forums who are objectively disgusting but demand more attractive people give them attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:07 PM
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Honestly that is up for debate. Many of the men who advocate caring about a woman's past will drop everything the minute a 9 or 10 approaches them. Like the Fresh and fit and other circles they will try to mess around with and impress women with verifiably high body counts. Some will marry them. Also if women could get away with this in more sexually repressed times ei Marlym Monroe women can definitely do that today.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:05 PM
1

Did you read my full post?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:59 PM
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Why don't you lose some weight and aim for women in your weight class?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 02:44 PM
1

It won't change the dating market because most people cannot afford to consistently use prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 06:22 PM
2

You should be more outgoing. Join more clubs and meet people. Make sure your interactions with women are natural.
/r/seduction31/12/21 06:18 PM
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You act like the only way to meet people in real life is to go to the club. Like women are everywhere. They are at the grocery store, in museums, in libraries, at events. All you have to do is chat with them and build rapport. You don't need to go to the club. You can just talk to the women in your daily life. The women at work or in the gym etc.
/r/seduction17/12/21 10:15 AM
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You have to be willing to do what others won't. Approach a group of girls in real life? 90 percent of people don't do that. You have to he part of that 10 percent who do.
/r/seduction15/12/21 07:58 AM
5

Are you in shape? Do you dress well? Are you good at holding conversations?
/r/seduction06/12/21 05:30 PM
3

Well this post was a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:16 PM
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Also the dynamics of relationships bear this out. Most women want to marry older men. So as they get older fewer men are single. By the time a woman is 40, most of the men her age and up are either divorced married or lifetime bachelors. Men marry down. So that same 40 year old can marry women who are 26 up to 35 who are more likely to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:43 PM
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As men get older they make more money. They may also take better care of themselves physically. They also begin to learn about the tricks women play. As women get older they become less attractive but also make more money. Men usually do not care about income. So eventually women who are older will desire men who actually have money and the ability to take care of them. These men will have become more able to see the tricks women play and will have less time to play them. So women may have to ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:37 PM
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There is no equality in nature and attempts to create equality are unnatural. You should just focus on making yourself as unequal as possible withing reason. If you are better you don't have to worry about certain things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 02:36 PM
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It really depends on your goals and priorities. When you are younger you usually need less, so it is about who is fun and receptive. As you get older you become more selective as your girlfriend could be a potential wife and mother. Under 21- you go on a few dates and find out this girl finds you attractive and is fun. That is really all you need. Over 21 but under 30- it's usually about how she fits into your life. As you become more independent you won't deal with as much BS as before and bein…
/r/seduction05/12/21 02:01 PM
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Yeah but more has been done to bunk that narrative than with women. With president Barack Obama, Micheal B Jordan, Chadwick Boseman and Will Smith all becoming global icons. BW haven't had the same media accent.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 07:18 PM
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I am male, but I think it is because it shows a level of honesty and a lack of attachment. Like girls are used to people sugar coating things all the time, or worse yet complimenting them in hopes of getting sex. When you have no problem treating them somewhat bad, it means you really aren't trying to please them and you are being honest and authentic.
/r/seduction27/10/21 11:16 AM
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The problem is that you care about your height. I suggest you shoot so many shots, you learn to not give a fuck. James Dean was 5 8 and he was a sex symbol. Height really doesn't matter.
/r/seduction07/03/21 12:34 PM
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Honestly I do see where that comes from but with recent technology one should be able to reject a man without even seeing him online removing any threat of an immediate reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 10:44 AM
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