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Okay. List the advice that you consider TRP as endorsing as "game". I think you have some highly sanitized version in your head and not the horrible things they actually advocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 05:16 PM
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That is disingenuous. It's part of the terminology of the pua/trp specific version of "game"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 05:04 PM
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"Bitch sheild", "Last minute resistance", the specific instructions of pua/trp "game" are basically instructions for gray rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 05:01 PM
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I don't think it is in reality the way you describe. Other than physical turture stuff (like whipping), a man is dominated by tease and denial/humiliation. A woman is dominated by getting her brains fucked out... by accepting and playing out the role of this incredibly attractive being as he sees her, and getting into his brain. I think whatever media you are looking at is assuming a male viewer, and it is trying to get into the viewer's brain. The male is sort of the "protagonist" of the scene,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 08:32 PM
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Wow how is this any different from the shaming that conservatives are doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 04:48 PM
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I would, unless "reformed" means they think it's wrong now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 04:44 PM
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I don't like rituals which primarily feature the act of buying something of non-trivial price, especially if the potency of the ritual lies in the expenditure (rather than in say, selecting the item)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 09:15 PM
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You didn't look at the time scale on the graph did you. The advent of religion, war, and monogamy at 8000 years ago is that giant shock drop in the men's section, and the modern age is a return to normalcy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 04:29 PM
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This is a very disingenuous motte and bailey fallacy. You're making it out to be this neutral search for truth on a topic, but it is not. There's a much, much more specific ideology at play than what you are letting on. If what you outlined was truly the central purpose then then you'd just straightforwardly look at demographic studies and conclude that "factor A" means "secular-liberal college-educated left wing city dwellers". ("Factor A" because naming this "alpha" would just be silly, as it …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 07:04 AM
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I go further and say it's not gendered actually, many girls often think it's a power move when guys do it too. And a lot of girls do think everything is a dating thing. Actually of the two genders, I would say boys are more likely to be a bit inattentive about things like texting back or whatever. The divide in thinking isn't between boys and girls. The divide is between insecure people (who assume everything is a game, and are also more likely to play power games, and also more likely to always…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 07:21 PM
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I find that your judgment of their attitude carries no more weight than their judgment of your promiscuous past. But that is in fact my point! If that's true, why are you making a whole post about how it's wrong to judge people who don't want to date the promiscuous? My point isn't that it is "not okay to respond to promiscuity by opting out of dating people. My point is that "it's okay to judge and shame people for their choice to state out loud that they intend to respond to promiscuity by opt…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:51 PM
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It's a bit of both. Yeah it pleases me to turn the tables and I am exaggerating a little t lean into that and I think it makes the point, but also at the same time i think that we need to stop holding the left side to a higher standard for fairness and non judgement than the right side. It is like the prisoner's dilemma, I'd prefer not having to shame anyone, but the current situation is already an assymetric warfare, with the right side using simultaneously all three of rational discourse, sham…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:29 PM
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Neither, she's just busy and you're overthinking and assuming all attention/inattention is about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 06:25 PM
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But IMO it's kinda like shaming people who prefer partners of the opposite sex because gays were oppressed in the past, or are oppressed now. It is more like when people only wanting to date within their race. They can quietly date whoever they like, but I think it is better if we encourage them to keep their preferences to themselves rather than expressing them from the rooftop. Who are "they" here? People with these viewpoints. It is analogous to how conservatives want their country to be "a C…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 11:30 PM
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This is quite wishful thinking on your part. A handful of reactionary movements and a couple of incompetently authoritarian presidents and prime ministers isn't a sign of a turn around on the larger scale. But even if you were right, my argument doesn't depend on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:58 PM
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You're simple empirically wrong. Cultural standards have shifted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:56 PM
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The OP wasn't shaming anyone for promiscuity though. I get the distinction: OP was advocating that we stop shaming people for wanting partners who aren't promiscuous, not shaming promiscuous people. I just don't see any argument why we should do that. Promiscuity didn't disappear during the medieval period, and chaste people are not gonna disappear during sexually permissive times. I don't mind people having chastity preferences quietly and keeping it to themselves, but if someone starts loudly …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:47 PM
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Okay, then why do you care so much about changing the attitudes of those who you are not interested in anyway? I care for exactly the same reason that you care enough to post this whole thing, and for the same reason that other conservatives like you care enough to fight things like "lbtq acceptance" or "hook up culture" or "immigration": It is because I think my way of life is morally and practically superior. I think my cultural norm of promiscuity being irrelevant is good and right and produc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:55 PM
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If she abused her last boyfriend, then that analogy holds. You wouldn't begrudge someone for having employment history. But i would shame employers who wanted several years experience for entry level positions, sure. Two can play the slut shaming game.. I too can uses shame to exert my values onto you! Conservatives aren't the only side that gets to have a monopoly on shaming tactics as social norm enforcers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:08 AM
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Sure, I'll tell people I'm promiscuous, that seems like sane advice. No one I am interested in would care. But, I don't see any good reason in this post why we can't continue shaming people who believe it does matter, until the idea that it could matter shrivels into nothing. I think you're conflating the act of saying "shame on you for thinking matters" (which is what is really going on, and which i plan to continue perpetuating) with not realizing that some people think it matters (everyone kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 04:53 AM
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Like I said above, such picked examples represent genuine and real costs, but which are well worth the benefit of reducing incidences of rape by 85%. Now if you want to say that the rate of rape reduced for other reasons unrelated to more aggressive messaging and legal action, then we'd be talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 04:53 AM
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Slogans like "teach men not to rape" are pretty clear cut. Yeah they are pretty clear cut. So why are you over here acting like this secretly means "don't look at 'em wrong or its rape?" Or like it is abusive? If this slogan is your idea of "abuse" i don't think i can change your view. Yet there's still shitty pushy people. And a whole lot more who are ashamed of their sexuality due to this messaging. Yet there are fewer people ashamed of their sexuality than ever before, and the rate of rape is…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 03:33 AM
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Fine, I acknowledge that harm. I mean someone will always misinterpret the message no matter how carefuly you word it, and since you were one of those someones, you have the right to be upset. But if we're gonna do tone debates then I think that anxious people having one more thing to be anxious about is an acceptable price to pay for abusively pushy people being less abusively pushy. Good men's (or good queer women's) discomfort and fear that they will accidentally hurt women by expressing attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/20 12:45 AM
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That's a complicated explanation for "countries with more sexist men also have more sexist women"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 05:02 AM
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Or ...the bad photos from the 80s don't get passed on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 04:07 AM
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you are such a bullshitter, source.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 04:40 PM
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RP: all the fish are in the cove Oh but i saw one in the pond yester- RP: That was an exception. All the fish are in the cove I actually saw a bunch of salmon that were predominantly in - RP: Sorry, salmon don't count, all fish are in the cove Actually i have been by the cove and i guess there were a lot of cat fish there but i do not actually like catfish they are not the kind i actually want to - RP: There are way more catfish than salmon Ok but i like salmon and i only really need one or two …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 11:28 PM
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https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2009/12/casual-sex-and-psychological-health-among-young-adults-having-friends-benefits Yall will believe any study that supports your conclusion even if theres a bunch of studies that don't 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 11:02 PM
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In context, Oceana was always at war with East Asia, eh? The whole point of AWALT in context, is to shut down talk about exceptions. The addition of "all" to a sentence that would otherwise have been assumed to be a generalization is deliberate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 10:23 PM
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"All women are like thaf" doesn't mean 100% of every single women on the planet. It just means most You doubleplusgood speak
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 02:57 PM
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Everyone's advice in this arena is trash so sure
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 02:19 PM
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They still drive that? Thats a death trap waiting to happen
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 01:50 AM
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"Blue pill" isn't a real group of people, just an imagined outgroup, but I think it's true that people who are bitter about gender (TRP, FDS, and others) draw their language significantly from the black community (e.g. terms like 'you can't turn a whore into a housewife", "pickmesha", lots of words and phrases that black people used first). Not really something to be proud of originating, but there it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 08:02 PM
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I draw my beliefs by directly accessing the platonic plane of truth itself thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 03:20 PM
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People say this due to unclear thinking. It's like RP is saying "gravity is real, so the moon will fall down", BP is noticing that the moon is not in fact falling, and therefore answering "gravity doesn't matter". The correct answer would be "that's not how gravity works" but most people don't think that far. Still, at least the right answer, even if for the wrong reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 07:07 PM
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I'm bisexual male, so I have access to all the pools. The two scenes are different, but not that different. When dating men online, the "hard" part is that there's a small but vocal contingent of gay men that spam every profile, making signal to noise tough (so you increasing your standards, only answering to elaborate messages that talk about your profile, etc). If you entertain these low quality suitors, what happens is that you get flaked on, or you have nothing in common at all. So you turn …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 05:21 PM
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If you're asking what ideology opens your eyes to the truth about the world with respect to sex and gender, like the red pill in the matrix - it's sex positive feminism, gender studies, and queer theory. If you're asking what ideology deceives women in an analogous way to how /r/theredpill deceives men, memetically exploiting the same psychological tricks and biases, it's /r/femaledatingstrategy (although tbh they're 10x less bad, and have some decent points, so I feel weird calling them equival…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 02:09 PM
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If you acted like those men IRL (like, you're 40 and you are exchanging looks and chit chatting about the attractiveness of your friends daughter who grew up knowing you and looks up to you and sees you as a family friend and role model) and the kid noticed you doing it, it might make them feel bad or change the way they see themselves in a negative way. It's really uncomfortable to have a situation that you categorize as "family" turn sexual. Also, the fictional daughter may be 20, but irl this…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 01:53 PM
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I see it as predatory and disgusting to use power to gain sex. Using sex to gain power isn't always a problem (though it can be in some contexts. It depends on whether the power you have gained is inappropriate for you to have. E.g. becoming a celeb seems fine.) Men tend to do the former and women tend to do the latter (as illustrated by the specific examples provided by you) which is why I wouldn't frown as much upon the things women do. I think society as a whole frowns plenty though. In the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 01:21 PM
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That is also a common thing but not exactly what is meant. It's quite common for men to be less willing to do sex stuff that their wives want even though they were willing to do it in general before, and claim that it's because it is because they "respect their wives too much". Via wikipedia: A Madonna–Whore Complex in general is the inability to maintain sexual arousal within a committed, loving relationship. Freud wrote: "Where such men love they have no desire and where they desire they canno…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 01:14 PM
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What do you mean so many guys are literally like this. It's called the madonna whore complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 06:21 AM
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You got me, I thought you meant usa Here down south most families still have a father, and good ones too. (religion is alive and well around here) You did say religion though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 07:32 PM
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It's kind of ...rustically charming? That you think being southern and religious is a good sign for non abusive dynamics ...rather than the reverse. Check out the female homicides by state https://www.huffpost.com/entry/murder-women-report_n_55f85315e4b0c2077efc3713
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 05:10 AM
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If I was a girl and i got approached with that pitch, I'd assume that they were about to recruit me into a prostitution ring or some sort of sugar daddy situation haha
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 05:02 AM
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Wow that's wild. I wonder who goes along with it...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 03:54 AM
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so... she goes up to random women who didn't solicit these services and tells them "HODEL! OH HODEL! HAVE I MADE A MATCH FOR YOU? awkward lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 02:38 AM
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I was a traditional monogamous heterosexual second wave feminist who fit the definition of blue pill. I learned about the manosphere and the gender wars when I naively googled about how do I talk to girls, and now I'm a non-traditional polyamorous bisexual third-wave feminist. (Well, it was actually a long journey of complex life experiences lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 02:24 AM
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Dating does not have to be like a "market". The market operates on principles of ownership, exchange, and scarcity. Dating can also be like the wild forest. You can't own anything in it, but everything that you need to live grows freely within it. There are some broken people who grow up in traditions of violence and suffering. They can't see the forest, they can only see a market. That is why they promote a culture that destroys the social fabric of the world about them. They try to fill the em…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 01:43 AM
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i don't understand what she's on about there. How can you help straight men with matchmaking without also helping women matchmake? Who are you matching the men to? How are you supposed to be a matchmaker if you only have one gender of client?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 01:25 AM
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Please. Not a single one of the people you linked would ever go to trp. Just because a feminist overstated something once doesn't mean you get "pushed" to trp. If you've gone to trp and did not realize that they were a bad crowd there was something wrong in your thought process to begin with before the feminist said anything. It's perfectly possible to reject a statement someone makes in the name of feminism without being "driven" over to whatever random foolishness makes up the opposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 12:23 PM
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Studies w hunter gatherers don't show a preference http://www.lse.ac.uk/website-archive/newsAndMedia/newsArchives/archives/2009/07/HadzaResearch.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 01:28 PM
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You know, this is sort if like going on a diet and then claiming that the other guy gets better results because he gets to eat cake. There's absolutely no way that the author would have been happier than single in any of those relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 12:10 PM
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Liberals got bored and left
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 03:34 PM
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You think people w/ aspd aren't disappointed when they're turned down? They are. They might hurt the person who turned them down to get what they want. Psychopaths still are insecure and have self esteem issues just like everyone else. If anything the self esteem issues can be worse. The difference is that they don't feel the pain of other people, not that they don't feel pain in general. If you want to understand how a psychopath thinks just read trp, half the people there are on the sociopath/…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 02:12 PM
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But, all the people who spam "men and women are different" are conservative redpillers, they aren't on team women. Meanwhile feminists are the ones constantly saying that men and women aren't really that different. If your diagnosis was correct then red pillers would spam about equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 01:55 PM
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Almost every single one of my LTR’s / STR’s started with the girl having a passive attitude. This is partly your actions though due to being a person who keeps pursuing though. I'm generally less likely to initiate, so usually if I'm going out with someone they did at least some of the initiating (I'm male). If you keep hanging around someone and they like you and you pay attention to them, most of the time eventually they will either give you signals or do something about it. Now I'm not saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 01:44 PM
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Thanks! <3
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 01:32 PM
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Men do not see women as people unless they are taught to. Men do not see women as people because they are taught not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 03:38 PM
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Because most people aren't radical leftists obviously. Radical leftists are often people who do things like walking around barefoot and not shaving their legs. They're generally not the people who dress preppy, and if they do dress preppy that's just because they like it not because they expect others to. Dressing preppy correlates to conservatism. I think you're forgetting that blue pill isn't a term that anyone identifies with. It's like "non-believers" or "the world" or "goyim" or "kafirs" or…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 05:17 PM
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Unfortunately, most people aren't radical leftists. I think you're forgetting that "blue pill" isn't a real thing that anyone identifies as, just a made up term.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 05:12 PM
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What you're doing here is twisting the meaning of the word "insecure". Insecure in the context of interpersonal relationships primarily means when you have a bad feeling such that the root of the problem is your self esteem, self worth, or self sufficiency. If someone says "I feel insecure about your sexual history", that means that they own the problem as being their own and that the solution is for them to work on themselves with the support of whoever is willing to support them. Meanwhile, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 04:53 PM
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What are some hypothetical responses other than "oh yes you are right women are ruthless darwinian machines that are disgusted by the slightest sign of weakness" that actually addressed the issue, and would not be dismissed as blue pill lies?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 06:42 AM
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I guess I just don't believe that there are any "negative effects" of sexlessness, There are positive effects of enjoying sex, that's it. Any perceived "negative effects" are actually self esteem issues about feeling rejected, which asexual people will also experience in other contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 05:05 PM
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Sure. "Self improvement" doesn't make your dating life better anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:59 PM
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On one hand, we have this AF/BB dichotomy whereby the female will desire the most dominant, masculine, genetically superior short term mates for the benefit of her offspring, and will desire the more passive, less masculine, providership mates for long term support and child rearing. I don't think this is true. This is just something trp says because it gets them off. Most of the academic literature on this doesn't replicate. The grain of truth is that sometimes women choose partners for pragmat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:45 PM
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Tbf mainstream advice is _also_ awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:36 PM
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Looking at a photo, I can't really tell if I would find the guy hot Men don't know this either. For me at least I'd need to know how someone moves, their facial expressions, their voice, how they smell, what they are like in bed, a lot of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:31 PM
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This should be a question for blue if you want real answers. Literally everything that isn't "grass is green" level painfully obvious about trp is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:29 PM
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I'm fine with expressing my feelings but there are just so many false assumptions here. Being sad doesn't actually make you that much better at art, that's just something we say in an attempt to create a silver lining. Also being good at art doesn't make you successful at art, connections do. Also having romantic options doesn't fix the emptiness inside, although I'm sure it's better than not having romantic options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:23 PM
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IMO it's a conservative / liberal thing. If you live in a egalitarian liberal bubble you wouldn't understand this thread. In conservative society things are very much power driven and there's a hierarchy and strict gender roles. In conservative society a man showing vulnerability would be treated like a woman not shaving her legs, it would get rejected. In liberal society both would be accepted. A lot of TRP is being confused by living in a conservative society which makes liberal messaging abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 03:34 PM
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I didn't insult you, the person. I insulted your way of thinking. I know quite a bit about that: I know what you just said in the above post. Rather than take the ferocity with which people fight against the police killings as a sign of hope that people do care about others and about equality for everyone, including you, you chose to take it as a sign that nobody will support your agenda. What do I think about agendas that are unlikely to be supported by those who care about not allowing police …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:58 PM
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Pretty much everyone is invested in fighting for equality Not everyone. Not you. But you're right, your way of thinking will indeed become irrelevant and it will be a good thing. Not in your lifetime though unfortunately so don't you worry
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 08:35 PM
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I don’t slight people that like casual sex- it just isn’t for me. It doesn’t feel special and it’s kind of boring? Lol Is this common among escorts? I would've assumed that someone who likes dating and casual sex enough to make simulating this experience their job would also like to do it in general but most accounts that I've heard from escorts seem to have the opposite opinion. Although maybe escorts who like it don't talk about it because it's the assumed default that they'd like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 01:52 PM
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When I realized this was ppd and not askwomen I was slightly relieved haha. Quite harsh responses y'all have!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 01:33 AM
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The really confusing thing about this is that the internally consistent position is the opposite of the espoused one TRP / RPW should be saying "withhold sex" because they repeatedly claim that promiscuity in women is undesirable and perhaps even morally degenerate FDS should be saying "have sex whenever you want" (assuming you wouldn't be sad if the sex didn't involve commitment) because they would define a valuable man as one who is not put off by promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 05:51 PM
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I just look like normal. If you were a normal person and knew me, you wouldn't be surprised that I like to argue with reactionaries and fridge right wing political groups. But if you were a person who posts here and believes in this sort of thing, a window into my life would probably shake up some preconceived notions and prejudices.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 12:32 AM
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Hey now. Internet addiction cuts across many demographics!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 12:27 AM
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A man is willing to walk barefoot over glass with winds blowing from every side to fuck an unattractive woman. Um...I think less than 5% of men would do that. The most empowering thing for women to do is to do whatever they want. That means both the right to say no and also the right to say yes. It doesn't take someone's power away to say yes to something that they want to say yes to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 01:44 AM
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Because the culture is Bad. Women used to condone sexual assault against women too, before feminism. Plenty of slaves condoned slavery at the time, went on to own slaves later in life, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 02:46 PM
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I would say yes - in liberal cities, things are better for both women and men. Both men and women are free. People enjoy abundance and will not compromise. Whereas in conservative rural areas, people are conditioned into the old ways. In the UK (outside of London), in black american communities, in religious communities, things are worse for both women and men. There is a lot more of women pandering to men / struggling to get male attention. Meanwhile there's also men jumping through hoops to "p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 11:45 PM
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"Neckbeard" is a very strange concept. It's just a normal beard...that isn't trimmed on the neck. Most people who have beards have "neck beards", it's the default state of things before you trim the edges off. Nobody was talking about "neckbeards" even 10 years ago, it was just a beard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 10:34 PM
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I think you are severely underestimating the ability of guys on here to be bothered by anything and everything. You seem to think you're talking to dude-bros who are gonna be like "two chicks is hot man" but guys on here are actually more on the "homosexuality is a sin" level of deplorable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:24 PM
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There's more to life than "law". For example if I feel disgusted at the thought of eating any vegetables ever, vs. disgusted at eating any cake ever - while both feelings are subjectively valid, the first feeling is problematic and will lead to bad outcomes if acted upon while the second feeling is harmless or even healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 04:49 PM
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I mean, you didn't explain why it is true. It's not true that a woman can get a relationship whenever she wants. I can see the argument for getting sex (if you disregard that the sex should be safe or satisfying), but to be in a relationship is just as easy/challenging for women as for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 04:45 PM
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You're making an unjustified leap from "people's feelings represent valid truths about their subjective experience" to "there's no sense in which some feelings tend to lead to incorrect actions and/or are more indicative of internal flaws and errors of thinking and underlying moral failings than others".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 04:36 PM
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This isn't true at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 04:33 PM
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Communists in women's skin!!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:02 PM
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Spiraling up :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 02:07 AM
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She's coming out ahead. The dealership on the other hand just got a ton of negative publicity for firing her, so I think they were the shortsighted ones. I think this is actually the ideal time to do sex work. The stigma is still high enough that there is artificial scarcity so you can get paid a lot of money. And then in 20 years or so most of the people who would judge this negatively will become irrelevant, as society moves further leftwards - which may also bring the wages of sex work down l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 08:09 PM
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​ I've never seen the point of policing my own personality to the point of being some douchey caricature until I realized that women are attracted to that douchey caricature, then I started to respect the men more who are like that because they are essentially just marketing to what women want. How do you know women aren't doing the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 08:06 PM
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The sexual revolution and its consequences has been a disaster minor source of discomfort for the human race a very small number of people, who were relatively unscathed by the terrible previous state of affairs and who feel weird when things change.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:53 PM
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Something along the lines of a wide range of close contacts who like you and love you, a healthy lifestyle, psychological contentment within yourself, and as much financial independence as possible? It's fine to "use things that make you more attractive" if you want to, but if you're getting anorexia from it that's not improving anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:39 PM
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This is accurate. But you agree with me don't you? You said it yourself From childhood onwards we see ads for weight loss pills, Botox, body shape changing braces. Tween girls use creams to lessen the stretch marks that come with pubterty, high school girls are already trying to prevent wrinkles. Most girls start doing makeup before they start puberty. Anorexia is a crisis in teen and young adult women. These are all sinister messages which are trying to tear you down and make a buck out of you.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:16 PM
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Marriage was historically a form of slavery, ownership by men of women, who had no other means of economically supporting themselves. Money and economic dynamics have been corrupting everything since agriculture. I mean I agree with you in spirit, I'm a feminist and everything and I seek to purge the commodification from my relationships. But it is an uphill battle to do so, in this society relationships are full of market dynamics. Ignoring them doesn't make them go away. The mistake that the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 01:40 PM
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"Improving" your appearance isn't self improvement and is frankly often closer to self harm. Ads for weight loss and botox and whatever aren't empowering you to improve they're dragging you down.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 01:31 PM
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I'm not sure if this counts because it isn't neurotic like "cel" stuff is, but when I was 17-19 because I had a more conservative mindset and didn't feel ready to have sex, and then as an adult I didn't date for a year and a half once because I was too sad about a break up to want to see anyone. I also didn't have casual sex (as in, sex with someone who I wasn't already best friends with) until fairly later on in life, so that involved a lot of turning down as well. I didn't really think sex was…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 05:06 PM
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Facial symmetry may be more a womb / early life environment thing than it is genetics. Frankly I don't think we are scientifically knowledgeable enough to reliably improve on the the natural status quo with respect to population genetics yet. It's certainly a lot more complicated than a matter that can be handed over to policymakers - especially since any policymaker who would implement a eugenics policy in the current stage is all but guaranteed to be scientifically illiterate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 04:21 PM
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Men are 0% repulsed by weakness. Okay, I'm a man and I'm "repulsed" by weakness to some degree, so I know this isn't true. I'll be compassionate always, but when it comes to attraction I am looking for someone who shows signs of higher capability and resilience. Show me a pretty woman in tears, and I'll show you 100 men trying to help her. That is an invalid image because tears are not a weakness, but a healthy display of emotion. Lots of people come around to help me when I cry too, I don't thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 08:54 PM
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No, and there is no such thing as a women who is in this scenario either. Anyone who is actually having sex with a different person every other week, wants a relationship, and doesn't have big standards will eventually encounter people who will want to be in a relationship with them. No matter how bad you are, there are people in this world who will put up with absolutely anything and if you meet a new person every other week you eventually find one of those. There are no personal flaws that can…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 08:39 PM
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Yes, men are often expected to be stronger in some ways. This is bad. If you want to live a happy life, you should date someone who does not mind if you are vulnerable, and also does not expect you to be always taking care of them. So far as I know, BP/feminists do not. If I'm wrong, let me know. Much has been written about harmful expectations regarding masculinity among men, as well as the ways in which both men and women reinforce these expectations. There is also an entire segment on emotion…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 08:29 PM
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Anyone can use the words "accountability" and "responsibility" and it doesn't make you right. You can say "take responsibility for getting pregnant" and I can say "take responsibility for your fellow human". You can say "spouses are accountable to each other" and I can counter "everyone is accountable to everyone". You can literally append the word "accountability" to any bullshit at all, but sooner or later someone will ask who gave you the right to set the accounts. At the end of the day, what…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 08:17 PM
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Point is, while I'm all about helping the poor and smashing the capitalist machine, I lose a lot of the left by being as adamant about accountability as I am. Should people who abandon their SO in divorce be penalized by being wholly ineligible for alimony if they do? I don't think that's in the least bit unreasonable. Or what about no-fault divorce? Like, if it's "no-fault", why are you guys divorcing? If you are so concerned about being accountable to each other then you should advocate for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 08:06 PM
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I think (aside from a variety of political stuff) we might primarily disagree on how AI works. I don't think you can simulate a "real creature that thinks and feels" without a degree of game changing sentience. If you just mean silicon that grows warm and moans when you fuck it then sure, but show me realistic human-shaped doll that does general purpose tasks such as walk to the kitchen (walk, like a normal person and not a shambling horror) and get you a cup of water without looking uncanny, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 07:57 PM
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Even if you attribute all future changes to AI and not to other factors, before AI gets advanced enough to simulate real-human connection, AI would likely solve quite a few problems that are in a computational sense easier and yet far more world changing than "simulate genuine in person human connection in order to be a better romantic partner"... by the time we even get to "walk to the kitchen like an ordinary human and not like a shambling horror and pour some water into a cup" the world will …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 07:41 PM
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Assuming there is a major explosion in machine learning, AI, and algorithm-ing of the human psyche and emotions to replicate superior human emotions, where the sexbot is a real creature that thinks and feels, I think you're not realizing the full extent of how much you've packed into that assumption there. This was supposed to be about sexbots, not about artificial intelligence. Once you imbue the sex bot with that level of artificial intelligence we are no longer talking about the same reality.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 07:19 PM
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Even if that were true, I'm not sure what that would explain in this scenario? Like, I don't agree, but if I took it as true - If men don't care who it is, wouldn't that validate OPs strategy, if anything? ("If they really don't care about the individual at all, then it might as well be me" kind of thinking)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 05:58 AM
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I don't understand what the woman in this scenario is supposed to get out of that if he doesn't even really like her beyond not having other options
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 07:02 PM
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Uh...there's a few logical steps missing here lol. Or are you saying femcels are part of trp now actual redpill A(RP)ALT
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 06:37 PM
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Sad reason if that's why someone commits, just to get something
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 06:31 PM
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I would argue that that's just what men are socially conditioned to say/think they want, not what they actually choodse based on their actual behavior. Sure they get jealous but that is the extent of it. In reality promiscuity is the behavior that is stronger and more adaptive, both when it comes to short term pleasures and long term goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 05:01 PM
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Why is everybody posting top level comments which are agreeing in a CMV? this is just a circlejerk now. Purge week is over you animals. And I mean OP isn't even really making any specific assertion to change a view over, this is just useless gushing and fawning about trp in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 04:53 PM
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There is no such thing as good dating advice
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 03:49 PM
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>It means if a woman isn’t doing this shit for you, she’s not that hot for you, and you should find someone else who’s more interested I uh ... think that might be the wrong moral. This isn't exactly a type of behavior to aspire to, that leads to happy relationships haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 06:03 AM
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I don't get the moral logic of this series. Don't be overly accommodating...because women tend to be overly accommodating of men? So you don't need to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 10:20 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5033515/ they do, men are the ones who do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 10:03 PM
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Wait, which side isn't okay with that? I thought one side wanted two gender bathrooms and the other side wanted bathrooms to just be for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 07:00 PM
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Generally, yes. It depends on the specifics of the behavioral health issue, but I do think that in general the lower your level of functioning, the less mutually beneficial it will be for you to be in a relationship. This is not hard and fast rule, but is generally true. For example to give an extreme case, if someone is profoundly disabled they will be unable to communicate consent meaningfully and unable to detect poor intentions. It might be harmful to them if they went on a date with any ran…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:48 PM
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Disagree. You're operating under an incorrect paradigm where "sensitive" is a quality that you should have a little bit of, rather than a lot of or none of. The fallacy of the happy medium. In reality, it is merely that "sensitive" describes two separate concepts, one good and one bad. "Sensitive" as a good quality means "perceptive, able to sense stuff around them" - anticipate the needs and emotions of others in an intelligent and nurturing manner. These behaviors are almost always turn ons (o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:35 PM
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If that makes me a bad person then so be it. And so it was, and so it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:26 PM
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I guess I don't ser how an "official" label is gonna matter when push comes to shove unless the "office" in question is the one granting out marriage licences. People can still break up with you after saying some label words.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 05:21 PM
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What does it even mean to "commit" in 90 days?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:49 PM
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Everyone should be considerate about other people's feelings but I think it's worse when directed at women because their looks affect them more. It's like how it's always bad to be racist, but it's more bad to be racist towards someone whose race effects their daily life negatively extremely often.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:44 PM
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But it did because at that point there was a fight to essentially just leave men, for no reason What do you mean? Are you talking about no fault divorce? So you're of the opinion that people shouldn't be able to leave a marriage without having to prove wrongdoing to a third party?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 09:44 PM
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you're making a traditional family structure sound way too evil. Women were not slaves. I disagree. The traditional ""family"" (what a name for such an awful thing) structure is in fact an evil, like slavery. Your father was a good person, and therefore a good master, so you were happy, that's all. If your father had been a bad man your life and your mother's life would have been different and there would've been nothing either of you could have done about it. it just expects women to take care …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 07:34 PM
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It depends on your goal. If you want to turn most people on, then the key is to make it look like the thing which is giving you the most pleasure and the thing which is giving them the most pleasure just happen to be the same thing. The degree to which this is in fact the case is your sexual compatibility. Most people want nice things done to them, but very few people want something nice done for them which the other person doesn't really want to do - so if it seems like you're only doing it "fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 02:11 PM
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You can reconcile these by acknowledging the role that socialization has to play in who someone wants to fuck. People basically do whatever brings praise and avoid whatever is shamed. Men act more promiscuous with women than they naturally are because they're praised for that, while acting more restricted with men than they naturally are because they'd be shamed for that. Women act more restrictive with men than they naturally are because they'd be shamed for that, and less restrictive than men …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 01:58 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/07/30/americans-are-open-but-dishonest-about-their-sexual-history/amp/ You replied to the comment with one such poll, actually. a lot of Western values were based on various rendered or religious-influenced ideals to some degree or another True! That's why 20-50% of people do care. Rather than, say, 0-10% of people, as it might have been in a society which never had that type of religion. Nevertheless, I assert that in the modern world (like, America,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 11:12 PM
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I've considered it. I suspect I actually could make a decent profit. The main drawback is reputation hazard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 11:05 PM
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Ah, so you've come up with an explanation to explain away one set of data. So what data would it take to falsify your belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 11:02 PM
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I believe that you personally talked to some men, but don't think a large poll of people in a relevant demographic (e.g. english speaking, western, etc) would vindicate that a majority think like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 11:00 PM
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not offended, just disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:57 PM
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Interesting. Maybe we don't disagree, but just consider different numbers to be "a lot". Interestingly, men on average think six is too small a number for their partner to have had, whereas women think three is too small. To me, if what you say is true, there would be no too small number. And the majority of survey respondents ultimately agreed that their partner’s sexual history has no influence on their current relationship, because when it comes to a good time in bed, 76 percent point to good…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:54 PM
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"Just the messenger", sure, but with the wrong message. The majority don't see it that way. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/07/30/americans-are-open-but-dishonest-about-their-sexual-history/amp/ Number who care will only drop more steeply among demographics relevant for people here (e.g. non religious)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:43 PM
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Except not at all, because most men in fact don't see it this way
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:35 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:09 PM
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The funny part is that real life he's well respected among his social circle, probably has more than one girlfriend himself because he's polyamorous, and is borderline asexual (so this talk of being entitled to """pussy""" is pretty misleading, although you could argue that there's a degree of entitlement to attention going on in this post).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 01:45 PM
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I'm not really part of "men here" (am feminist, think trp is stupid, etc) but I do fall into all these categories. -I don't care how much someone makes -I would think twice before financially supporting someone who I was also in a romantic relationship with (seems like a huge conflict of interest to me - and yes, I would worry about the power dynamic of being someone's source of money and also their romantic partner at the same time, including the possibility that someone might be in a relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 01:16 PM
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There is obviously a correlation between people who go to forums which attempt to address sexlessness and social conservatism, but I suspect that's as far as it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 09:42 PM
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Presumably there is something difficult about it, if she has successfully managed hundreds of people and this is still difficult for her. If you really think it's just a matter of irrational logic flips, you can always do that management yourself? The tough part of managing a house for more than just yourself is basically that you end up putting an extra 1-3 hours of energy a day into something that doesn't give you money, doesn't give you respect and admiration, doesn't go into your resume, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:17 PM
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-male. I'd say i take a healthy interest in it. It comes below family, but above most hobbies. I'd say it's approximately tied with intellectual pursuits. It can be a little above or below career, depending on what I'm working on. Mostly I look for synergy though so the tradeoffs don't tend to come into it. - Surrounded by a person or people that make me happy. Lots of love. Lots of sex. - Same as priorities (it makes me happier than career advancement, but not as happy as close family-like conn…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 05:56 PM
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Submissive folks always love the explanation that they like to sub because they're such a boss irl lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 04:55 PM
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I wouldn't say they HAVE to - but it seems sort of inefficient to pair people who aren't attracted to each other up, when you can pair people who are attracted to each other up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:41 PM
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I didn't even say anyone was an asshole though. Do I think it's worse? Yes. But ultimately it's just that some preferences and ways of being are going to die as history progresses because they are arbitrary and based on primitive superstitions. It's just the fact that as people, and the species as a whole, gets older their views change and they mostly change in one direction and not the other. Don't blame me, that is just the way the world will go. The world goes from farming to spaceships, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:35 PM
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This isn't for the child. I don't care about the orphanages and the system around it. Really living up to the user name there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:25 PM
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I'm pretty comfortable judging people who are themselves always judging tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:06 PM
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where are the statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:53 AM
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I am suggesting that, yes. Caring about "n count" is like caring about keeping kosher - it's just a random superstition that a lot of people believe because they were raised in it. Perhaps it plays to some aspects of human psychology (e.g. how not touching foods together in kosher sort of play to OCD tendencies that all people have) but that's it. So, if you look at the same person from 18 to 28, they're much more likely to go from keeping faith with "n-count" or whatever to not caring about it,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 04:34 AM
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Yeah, they evolve, not devolve. People usually don't go from not caring about partner count to caring, they only go from caring to not caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:38 AM
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Sometimes the contrarian opinion is louder than the normal one. It's because people who think that grass is green don't go around telling you how grass is green, they just quietly know and assume everyone else does too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:18 AM
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just because some guys on reddit say something doesn't make it true for everyone you know
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:11 AM
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Sounds about right. 5/23 people (18 women, 3 non binary, 2 men) I've dated have mentioned being assaulted/raped in a significant way, that I know about - all were women or non-binary people who would be considered as women by most people. (By "significant" I mean I'm not even counting things like groping, street harassment, flashing, non-consensual rubbing of penises one someone, etc which is ubiquitous...I'm talking like being alone in a room with someone and experiencing some form of coercion …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 09:35 PM
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Tbh I've opened up like that to literally everyone I've dated. Like I've literally laid in bed depressed and crying for weeks with people I've dated, and usually they've legitimately been there for me. I wouldn't say it *always* goes well, but it usually does. Generally if that sort of thing didn't go well the relationship wouldn't last too long. So I have a pretty different idea from you for what is typical and what is exceptional. I think people sort of have social bubbles and trp/fds types li…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 09:28 PM
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honestly a lot of guys already do act like that. Like I just went down the top few posts and gender flipped them and they're all applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 09:14 PM
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And for the people who will get triggered by this, I want you to think back on all the times you actually got intimate, vulnerable, or authentic with a girl, and tell me how that went. A girl you wrote a poem for (or even showed her your writing), or discussed your tough childhood with. A girl you had deep, philosophical conversation with. Or heaven forbid, a girl you told you deepest fears to. The trouble with this argument is that for many people who don't buy into your ideology they have in f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 08:49 PM
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That's some impressive rationalization, to think that they don't want a relationship with you because you're just too attractive. We need an /r/iamverysmart but for "hot" instead of smart to put people like y'all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 10:59 PM
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I'm a feminist, it's ideologically convenient to me for the opposite reason actually- it would show that gender differences are much smaller than people think. I think the right wing as well as centrist/normie views greatly exaggerate psychological and behavioral sexual dimorphism. But this seems quite counterintuitive and at odds with many other sources and so I'm wondering if there's some funny business with numbers going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 02:05 PM
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Heh, I actually once had two partners who both were into this. We didn't actually do it, but to fulfill the fetish I would sometimes tell one about how the other was "better" or pretend to text them during sex. I didn’t even bother asking this to women because we all know how innately repulsed they’d be lol. Oh my god you are so incredibly wrong about male vs female reactions to this it's not even funny. Almost every time I've told the sort of person who is down with threesomes that I considered…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 09:47 PM
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While it would be ideologically convenient for me to believe that, I think I simply don't believe it. If it were true though, it would certainly put a lot of myths about men and women being different to rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 09:31 PM
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speak for yourself :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 11:07 PM
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She's not funny. Yet millions of people, men and women laugh at her shows. You have a funny definition of "not funny" then
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:31 PM
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What has made them think this way is the idea that 1) men always want sex anyway 2) that men can't really get raped by women in real life so it's okay to be flippant about it on camera the way they were. It historically was considered a duty to have sex e.g. https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2016/05/18/the-hard-on-on-trial/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 07:01 PM
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I didn't listen to his talks but I read his 12 rules book
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 12:50 PM
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Most people are already honest so very little would change. Nothing would change for me. I guess people would tell each other their crushes more often, fewer people would cheat, more people would have open relationships, and divorces would be both quicker and more amicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 02:44 AM
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Well, this depends on the person's baseline level of sexual arousal. There are some people who just never stop wanting it. It's a function of the person though, not how good you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 02:39 AM
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It's a motte and bailey argument. What redpill actually is, what sets it apart, is the incorrect part. But when you call them on their insanity they retreat to "oh, we just want people to get fit and be confident, what is so wrong about that". This creates the illusion that it has "good parts and bad parts", covering the reality that it actually has only bad parts and platitudes. Not that different from the dull advice you would find on the main subs, I would actually extend that critique to Jor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 02:32 AM
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Y'all don't want the welfare state because you want impovrished women to have no other option but to marry you 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 12:24 AM
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The problem I see with this is that if a man is attractive to the point of having multiple women swoon for him, he probably sees little reason to settle for one woman, at least for a long time No healthy person wants to commit to someone who is only committing to them as a compromise with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 12:21 AM
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If men are so powerful and patriarchal then a bunch of loud protesting women aren't going to change much. Why not? Those men are human after all. There is a gray area between exerting power, and exerting power in a completely heartless way. Also there is more than one man, they are swayed to various degrees by arguments and compassion. When American slavery ended, it would have been possible for white americans to kill the entire enslaved population overnight instead. They didn't do this, and sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 10:45 PM
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So...what's this post about then? Isn't the latter list the perception you are arguing against?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 10:39 PM
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I think OP is wrong, you think OP is right, that's fine. That's the debate that is supposed to happen. My point is that saying "it's perfectly reasonable not to date someone because of any reason", while true, is a statement which pertains to one meta-level above this entire discussion and is sidestepping the actual debate to be had here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 10:30 PM
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What I disagree with are those who ascribe to the belief that someone is insecure or less than because they hold certain preferences. You gave three reasons why you might not choose to date someone with a certain past. the person MIGHT not keep an exclusivity bond because they're a wild person the person MIGHT have something wrong with them that turns people off the person MIGHT be flaky and abandon others In making this list, you're saying that being promiscuous is correlated with bad things (e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 10:26 PM
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You're using it in the sense of "having every right to" OP is using it in the sense of "it's prudent and wise, it doesn't indicate underlying insecurity or sexism". Two very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 10:16 PM
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It's funny, you are kinda getting close to coming full circle and hitting sex positive feminism. Yes, the past sucked, it was basically slavery and prostitution for women. So why are you still calling it "the decline"? It is an ascent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 04:01 AM
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yes it was a typo
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 11:36 PM
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I could abuse her, I could become insane and she would fear for her safety and I am well aware. ..and what would your mother do if you did those things? i think most parents would leave their adult children if that happened, if they didn't have a way to contain the danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 08:54 PM
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Why do you think I'm a woman? I'm not. Condoms that are too tight can cause loss of sensation during sex due to reducing blood flow. Condoms that are too loose can bunch up and mess with sensation. People whose penis sizes tend not to fall within what standard condoms come in tend to experience loss of sensation and dislike using condoms. I don't understand the hostility to this idea. You could literally just try ordering a custom fit condom to see if it works and have a better life instead of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 12:35 PM
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I really enjoy it as consensual play and it does come naturally but it makes me uncomfortable and clashes with my politics when it appears in most other contexts, like when people assume or put me into a dominance hierarchy situation without a consensual negotiation. (I think redpill is stupid)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 10:13 PM
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no no, I'm saying that losing sensation in your penis is a symptom of an ill fitting condom. Both too loose and too tight can cause this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 09:48 PM
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Your condom doesn't fit. Buy some custom made ones, they're not as expensive as you might think.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 02:59 PM
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false. hunter gatherers don't slut shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 12:43 AM
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Especially considering how few libertarians are women in the first place and how unrepresentative this is, tomassi is really reaching here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 03:11 PM
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People who want to be polyamorous are just doing it, we're not waiting for the law to say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 03:49 AM
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I'm polyamorous. The best way to answer this question is to flip the question around. Why do you want to be monogamous? I see polyamory as a sort of default, like atheism, or omnivorism - it's monogamy that adds extra rules and restrictions, so it's monogamy that needs justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 03:46 AM
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How naturally it came to us to bully our peers I'm gonna need you to stop with this "we" and "our" and "us" shit. That was just you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 01:43 PM
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no he wouldn't. Maybe if she were much younger than him, but not attractiveness. And if he were trying to buy someone of equal attractiveness it would still be ridicule.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 05:30 PM
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Nothing. Nobody would be surprised, it would be more or less what people expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 04:42 PM
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he is being ridiculed for trying to buy a wife ...not for "having standards"...Do you honestly think a woman would not be ridiculed for doing this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 04:35 PM
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what did it say?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 02:18 AM
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well redpillers and bluepillers are both straights. Idealization and devaluation are two sides of the same coin. The pill-o-sphere doesn't think men and women have similar motivations, they think women's motivations are alien and different from their own in a way that requires a special explanation to understand. I'm sorry, when was the last time you've seen data about depression among transgender people? Did you ever? Yes yes of course. But if you'll notice, it's not generally due to things lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 01:17 PM
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Finally, if you want to share an opinion about excruciatingly common PPD debates: I am not sure, as I think this applies to straight men whereas I only date gay men, straight women, and other bisexuals. In the previous comment I talked a bit about how men spam messages and aggressively pursue at first only to flake later, which I think is relevant to this conversation. However, I think there's something of an added dimension of entitlement and control over women's bodies when it comes to straigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 02:06 AM
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1 - I'm a man. 2 - For most people, it's not as different as you might think. However, there's a small percentage of men who are aggressive and persistent in an off putting way. In person this manifests as groping in a club, inappropriate touching, following you around, etc. It's not a common experience for me as it is for women, since for me it would only happen in gay spaces. (Women do sometimes act this way too of course, perhaps I notice it less because women are never bigger and stronger th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 12:38 AM
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People don't desire money in a partner because they're sexually aroused by money (duh) they desire money in a partner because they desire money. Women desire money more than men because women have less money than men. No millionaire woman, or any woman making upward of 80k ever cares how much her date makes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 12:06 AM
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I guess it depends on your definition of "attractive" Sure, someone who was struggling financially might date a rich person that they weren't super into because doing so made their life easier thanks to having money, but I don't think that's the same as "more attractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 11:43 PM
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So your claim is basically giving men all the money and power supposedly protects women from the romantic disappointment of getting to freely make their own choices? Is that really what you're going with as your persuasive argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 09:20 PM
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Lol you still think "success" is what makes people attractive in any way at all
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 09:09 PM
2

Surely violence advocacy is rampant everywhere, but this right here is how red pill / trp / manosphere does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 11:41 PM
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alt-right / manosphere / redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 08:26 PM
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Actually it has been only 10,000 years and the peaceful modern situation is actually a return to the status quo. Look at the breeding ratio graphs, you'll see that male lines severely died out 10000 years ago (the start of agriculture and patriarchy) and have returned to normal in the modern world. https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 03:23 PM
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I'm not a tabula rasa, it's not lost on me that little boys quite often play with sticks where little girls play with dolls. That doesn't mean there isn't any difference between men and women who believe an ideology which relies on violence to get what you want, and men and women who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 03:18 PM
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Is it masculinity in general, or just a certain type of ideology in its pure form? Because the way I'm reading this is that the world is changing and some conservative/reactionary people are upset that their brutish traditional ways of life (which put them on the top and crushed the rest if us) are ending? Like maybe we shouldn't listen to the people whose self interest was furthered by the violence, who engaged in the violence to further their self interests, and who are now unhappy that the vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 06:39 AM
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Translation: "The problem is that they don't let us bully and kill people anymore, taking that off the table has really shifted the balance in such an unpleasant way."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 05:43 AM
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What happened is that we wanted incompatible lifestyles and if we had stayed together one or both of us would have to compromise what we wanted to the extent that it wasn't in our mutual best interests. We still look out for each other quite a bit. Unconditional love is about the other person's interests becoming inherently and intrinsically a subset of your own interests (analogous to what good parents often feel towards their children) not about being romantic forever. you could’ve done anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 05:31 AM
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That means that you don't know what unconditional love means yet. It does last forever (we're still best friends) but it's different from unconditional being in a romantic relationship. It's about looking after the other person's genuine interests with the same keenness that you look after your own - (a phenomenon ordinarily only found between close relatives). If it's not in your mutual best interest to stay together then you don't. It's not even conditional on being in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 05:26 AM
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I think trp is stupid but I've loved and been loved unconditionally by a romantic partner at least once, maybe twice. My advice is if you want to know how to "screen" people who love you unconditionally, then first stop focusing about recieving unconditional love. And start learning how give unconditional love. If you don't have the skill within yourself or don't really understand what it is and how it works you'll never recognize it in others. If you succeed you'll figure out that not only is u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 04:40 AM
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I think there are pros and cons to thinking of it that way. The pros are, I think there is something beneficial in growing up with someone. People you meet as an adult can only see you now, they can't know what you were and where you came from It's nice when someone really knows you from beginnings to present, who knows what you were like when you were both less mature and were still developing and you know the same about them. So if you're doing traditional serial monogamy and generally not kee…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 11:42 PM
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I know conservatives and faux "liberals" teach their kids that, but what's this "we" shit
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 11:35 PM
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I understand what you're getting at with being hesitant to date someone who doesn't know when to walk away - but the way you're talking about this, about not having sympathy or respect for someone who opened up to you about a painful experience, is really fucked up
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 04:13 PM
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In the early days the mainstream media just hadn't realized that it was sinister and misogynistic yet. It's not marginalized now, it's more affiliated with the alt right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 03:57 PM
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I think, in broad strokes, yes. It's called "Externalizing behavior" and there's studies suggesting it is more common among men - acting out, being the class clown, getting into fights. vs internalizing behavior, which women do more often - blaming themselves for things that can't possibly be their fault.. I know that between me and my girlfriends, if my boss were to reprimand me or I get a bad grade, if I'm in a bad mood my first reaction is "How dare he" or "the school system is broken" or, if…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 03:50 PM
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Firstly. We're speaking across the entire animal kingdom here. There are species which are both less, and more, dimorphic than humans. Secondly there's obviously choice both ways even if some forms of selection differ, or have you never seen a man reject a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 03:15 PM
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We definitely have enough little sociopaths running around who think they are captain america already, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 05:19 PM
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What loser? Tournament species kill the loser or violently drive them off, and definitely don't let them near the female. That is why they call it "mate guarding". When it happens the female has to do sneaky copulations where the dominant male can't see. You're claiming females just happen to choose the winner of the violent competition? In which species?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:30 PM
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I do realize (even more so now) one can't be up front and honest without killing attraction. You're already lost. Be honest and up front. Have boundaries and leave if someone is not treating you well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 09:04 PM
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I think you are wrong to phrase "Males Compete, Females Choose (MCFC)" as a complementary dynamic. It's "males compete" OR "females choose", not both. Among gorillas, lions, elephant seals, and human cultures with strict patriarchy males choose, females go along with it. Female choice does not matter as much. Among orangutans, chimps, and most current humans within the past 1000 years, males are in complex coalitions of cooperation and competition, and females kinda sorta choose but with a fair …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 08:37 PM
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As if people here would even be able to form the question in a way that wasn't horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 02:42 PM
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I suspect those who finds themselves complaining about "bread crumbing" or identifying with it as something they experience probably have an anxious attachment style. Perhaps there are manipulative people who do it on purpose, but overall this concept seems like an easy way to condemn anyone who pays attention to you but isn't giving you as much attention as you would ideally want as manipulative, without looking at yourself and your behavior. Idk, manipulation in general is weird. Manipulation …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 02:19 PM
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There are lots of other points, such as accomplishing great things that help others together, building a strong community, bouncing ideas off of each other and sharpening each other's thinking, etc. But when someone is unhappy and in the mindset of "this relationship exists in order to make me feel special and happy and if my partner is not actively doing that then they are bad" they often won't set their horizons far enough to see those points.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 02:09 PM
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And what happens when the person they are in a relationship with isn't available or isn't doing all the behaviors that make them happy? It's not simply "being in a relationship" as a passive status that makes people happy it's an active process. In my experience, often when you make an unhappy person happy via being in a romantic relationship with them, things are great at first and then they start clinging on to you for every little thing because they feel unhappy when you aren't constantly doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 01:14 AM
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I can see how women here might think that because when you approach someone you will get rejections most of the time, no matter how appealing you are, just because it's not the right time or place for the person you're asking. Also someone who is approaching for the first time and hasn't ever done it before might be rather clumsy about it. Also someone who is not used to being approached might freeze awkwardly even if they are interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 07:41 PM
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Yes, and I do, by having an open relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 04:19 PM
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I shifted from idealist traditional monogamous moderate liberal attitudes (is that blue?) to polyamorous radical leftist sex positive feminist attitudes (is that blue?) about 10 years ago. 28m. I think most of y'all are misguided idiots and haven't changed my view in the slightest. I've been coming here because I have been in a weird mood for salt and bitterness lately. As far as my personal life goes this shit is more or less irrelevant except insofar as identifying and avoiding people with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 02:57 PM
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I think a big criteria is that I want to date people who can help me achieve bigger things in life (outside of just the relationship - like helping others or moving humanity forward) / or if I can similarly help them. I also want for them to love me - in the real way, not the needy way. Physically speaking I'd like lots and lots of wild sex, multiple times a day. I'm polyamorous, and would happily date a "player", I assume everyone would be financially independent in this day and age but I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 10:00 PM
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Did any of you even read the article? It has nothing to do with whether women like having rough sex, it is about not taking "rough sex" as a defense when a woman accuses someone as abuse. Like picture this, a woman calls the police and she is bleeding and has bruises everywhere and then the guy says "uuh it was rough sex" and gets acquitted...why is it relevant whether who does or does not like rough sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 08:13 PM
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I agree that it's bad advice in that it implies that being happy with yourself and relationships are super related. It's possible to have relationships without being happy with yourself. But those relationships won't make an unhappy person happy. They'd just be in a relationship and still sad. It is also possible to struggle to find a date despite being happy. That said it's true that any relationship you rely on for your happiness will likely become codependent
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 03:53 PM
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It seems like pretty much all of you agree that it's (relatively) difficult for men and women to form friendships because of sexual tension (either caused by one or both parties). I don't agree, and I'm a bisexual man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 03:51 PM
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I just don't think it's a very real phenomenon. But to whatever extent it is a real thing, or if it was a real thing, yeah, I wouldn't be okay with it. I think to whatever extent it is real, it's related to the patriarchal inequality of women not earning enough to support themselves without a spouse. So I wouldn't be angered it's more that I wouldn't like the power dynamic of someone depending on me for resources. I don't want to buy someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 03:41 PM
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I'd guess it's about the same as demographically similar people in the general population, maybe a bit higher due to them actively pursuing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 03:36 PM
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Everyone who I've been with just loved me for who I was. They didn't care how much effort I put in, but they didn't care about the finished product either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 04:22 AM
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It's more that I just assume we will split it, I don't really have to ask. Is there some truth to this? Idk about the average but not for me. The payment is meaningless either way as far as interest goes. So I might pay for someone I'm not into, or split with someone I am into. Generally, I would split to signal egalitarian values and pay to signal chivalry and generosity. On a first date I'd rather signal the former, but for a group of friends I might signal the latter. There is, unfortunately,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 03:01 AM
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We're social animals, we're not meant to be this lonely. It hurts. It physically and emotionally hurts to be alone. The real problem is this. Modern people do not have many friends or family. Romantic relationships are not an adequate substite.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:42 PM
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Generally during sex the male is expected to be dominant and the woman submissive. Which is pure shit for the man, because that means you have to initiate, direct and do all the heavy lifting/thrusting during sex, while women in general just 'get taken' and lay there. Do you think maybe you just prefer the submissive role during sex? And so you feel like women have more fun? I think dominant women often feel uncomfortable for similar reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:36 PM
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Yeah. 60s from approximately the neolithic to the 18th century. It's a dip. It was longer before that, and longer after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:20 PM
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Yeah. It's a pretty common misconception that hunter gatherer life is/was awful and outlandish. I think people often incorrectly assume hunter gatherers resemble primitive feudal societies (which were/are in fact often quite awful and would have involved child marriage and the like, although I think generally you don't send a child away from their parents even if they have been married until they are older) but in reality hunter gatherer societies are much like ultra-modern circles in that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:15 PM
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In the previous comment, you were referring to the 1770s. This quote isn't referring to the 1770s. https://www.plimoth.org/sites/default/files/media/pdf/edmaterials_demographics.pdf Average life expectancy at birth for English people in the late 16th and early 17th centuries was just under 40 – 39.7 years. However, this low figure was mostly due to the high rate of infant and child mortality; over 12% of all children born would die in their first year. A man or woman who reached the age of 30 co…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:57 PM
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just a quick google for each stat e.g. https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS761US761&ei=ooteXqTwEpbZ-gTq-K7QCg&q=birth+spacing+hunter+gatherers&oq=birth+spacing+hunter+gatherers&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i22i29i30.2224.4187..4246...0.2..0.222.2562.0j17j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i13j0i273j0j0i22i30j33i160.TTbpAQtRRPU&ved=0ahUKEwikyZWx4v7nAhWWrJ4KHWq8C6oQ4dUDCAs&uact=5
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:54 PM
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without infant mortality taken into equation. I'm not sure why you have said this statement, because the figure you quoted in fact does not adjust for infant mortality. Modern hunter gatherers who make it to adulthood live about the same amount of time we do. The life expectancy in the 1770s would've actually been lower than it was in the paleolithic, but even they wouldn't have been down to 35 after adjusting for infant mortality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:01 PM
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Humans had sex frequently. Breastfeeding is a natural contraceptive, elevating prolactin for 2-3 years after pregnancy, exerting a contraceptive. effect. Hunter gatherer women had their first child on average at 19, breastfed for over 3 years, had 4.7 children, and typical birth spacing was 44 months, which is approximately how long it takes for prolactin to return to normal. That translates to about 18 years spend either pregnant or under the contraceptive effect of breastfeeding. Add the 19 ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 01:56 PM
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I do in fact roll out of bed and walk around in my sweatpants and I'm desired. Blindly putting effort into these incorrect places will waste everyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 07:54 PM
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Yeah and the tricky thing is that knowing about a tier above you doesn't necessarily put you in it, although I think it is the first step to ascending. For example as a tit for tat, i would like to be a meta-tat but I haven't yet figured out the line between being supportive of your partner and enabling them / being an avoidant asshole who doesn't compromise, is unilateral, and refuses commitment vs having firm boundaries. People in the tier above me (meta tat) have this figured out. They know h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 04:57 PM
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Thanks! Yes, and actually come to think of it my version of "tit for tat" differs from the regular version (since they cooperate or break up, rather than cooperate or defect while staying in the relationship). I guess in practice I would lump people who are nice to to nice people and abusive to abusive people but don't break up into the lost souls, since that sort of relationship inevitably will devolve into defection due accidental friction. Also note that I don't think you need to be particula…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:48 PM
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I just made it up just now haha
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:34 PM
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It doesn't remain the 1% of people, it will grow over time hopefully. It's just presently rare. (Although I think most of the growth will be a reduction in abusers and lost souls and an increase in the naive and in tit for tat, since that is mostly just emotional improvement whereas reaching meta tat also requires a bit of cognitive sophistication and the wisdom of experience) Not needing a man is an important. Anyone who "needs a man" on some emotional level is in the "naive sucker" category (o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 10:10 PM
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I don't think the 1% necessarily gets married. Marriage is not inherently good. Generally as civilization progresses people move up in these levels due to moral progress and more nourishment and resources growing up. There is not currently a race to the bottom. TRP will tell you that there is a race to the bottom but that is because TRP is mostly in the abuse tier, and being in the abuse tier is becoming harder as modernization increases. It's actually a race to the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 10:04 PM
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climb. The price of admission is kindness and moral growth. Learning when to be firm without being harsh, learning when to be kind without being enabling, being emotionally generous while having healthy boundaries. I'm still in the "tit for tat" phase myself so I'm still working on it. I still don't know the correct way to deal with vulnerability in others. But I'd say the tit for tat phase is maybe 10-35%, you can definitely get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:57 PM
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I think that's a misunderstanding of what it means to defect. In the tit-for-tat and above tiers, you only pair up with people when you can play positive sum games together. You reject anyone with whom you must play a zero or negative sum game.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:43 PM
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To describe it less technically, the true reason is "because hurting people is bad". If someone is not compelled by that, then "because the sort of people who put up with that behavior are not as good at relationships" will fall on deaf years because they're not of a high enough tier to use that advice anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:38 PM
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Well, again it depends on what you value, but if you value what I value, then it's because of the assortive mating thing I explained above. If you choose to be an abuser preying on naive suckers, that's the tier in life that you will be in. If someone is not compelled to not defect by the fact that "because defecting would hurt the other person" then they are in the abuser tier. That means they can only date lost souls and naive suckers, which is going to limit the nice experiences they can have…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:32 PM
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There's three outcomes in the prisoner's dilemma. Both defect. A relationship where both people are fucked up One defects and the other cooperates. An abusive or parasitic relationship. Both cooperate. A mutually beneficial relationship Now, in the regular dilemma, you want to defect while the other cooperates. However, in dating, you don't necessarily want to do this, because dating is an iterated prisoner's dilemma. What does this mean? If you cooperate with a defector, they will be rewarded a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:22 PM
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Extrapolating from current trends, you're really going to have egg on your face when the day comes that the majority of women do in fact say that the bill should be split.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:15 PM
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Wow, the internet is such a small world! I'd rather not put my real name on this account because this is the throwaway i use to get into pointless salty internet arguments, but my social circle heavily overlaps with the rationalists and I actually know a couple of the people cited in that post personally. Wouldn't it be funny if you and me knew each other in real life? Anyway - It's cool that you're a mathematician, but then surely you know that most other mathematicians are not like you in that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:45 PM
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We will see. The thing about trads is that they don't have any clever people. Intellectual progress is never driven by trads. And all the smart people are on the side of the sexual revolution. Conservatives and reactionaries are scarce math and science, because the same intelligence that makes you good at those things makes you reject conservatism. It doesn't matter who controls the military, the future is currently in silicon valley to the extent that geography matters at all anymore. Japan wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:41 PM
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I think my main issue with people who are a bit investment phobic is not actually that they're flaky - I don't mind that part. It's that they can become a bit overly attached once they do invest because they fear that they won't get to that place with someone again
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:37 AM
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No one has ever cared about my career or my income but people have cared about how much time I had available for them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:30 AM
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That we are in this situation is not an accident but the result of cultural evolution. It wasn't because some council of feminist elders decided to enforce traditional norms, but because societies which have undergone the sexual revolution are better fits for modern human civilization, so they outcompeting the other ones. The trad alternatives are being wiped out and sexual revolution norms are becoming dominant. By the same token we could say that patriarchal society disrupted an equilibrium cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:23 AM
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If I wanted to date them, I'd probably chow down on flavorless potato paste and say she's the best cook around. You should try being more honest with the people you date. If you act like this it means you are not friends with your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 07:36 PM
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capitalism, ie being the boss with the money, is the way to do it. I think you may be conflating entrepreneurs and venture capitalists, and being the latter requires having money in the first place. The only people with enough capital up front to start their own business are people who are already doing well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 07:29 PM
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People think starting a business is some magic where you get to do whatever you want. Unless you are already wealthy, no it is not. If you want to open anything more complicated than a lemonade stand you have to find seed funding etc and by the end of it all you are basically an employee within your own company. If you're clever you can negotiate to keep 51% and still be in charge but that's not always possible. I won't say that startups is a job like any other but it's still a job and there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 07:24 PM
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Men and women all have beliefs about "men" and "women" not according to true lived experience but according to culture, religion, and media. People do not generate their own opinions, but regurgitate those ideas when questioned. If those ideas more accurately reflect men than they portray women then perhaps it is because men's messages have more predominance in said media. Consider consuming media and culture created by and for women instead and you might get a more accurate idea of what women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:19 PM
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Men can say divorce rape is part of a malicious system for men. Now we aren't traditional and it's worse for men. But how was it worse for women when you are NOT dealing with a "actively malicious person"? Because sometimes with extreme differences in power people can hurt you not out of malice but out of carelessness or neglect. For example it's not malicious to breakup with someone and leave them. But if you are that person's only source of protection and sustenance from starvation then your a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:07 PM
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I would argue that you don't need to be an actively malicious person for the system to be dangerous and hurt your relationship. Being passively part of the system is enough to create harm. In the 1960s marriage even if the husband wasn't malicious, they might still have a fight and break up. And whereas for him it would just be a question of love and relationships issues, for the wife would know that this would probably effect her fate much more drastically on a social and financial and material…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 04:57 PM
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I think you may be boyfriending incorrectly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 04:42 PM
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If a man only wanted to take care of his wife he wouldn't object to her having a career or lament the changing norms. This post is about the traditional values model being a malicious system not about all men being malicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 04:39 PM
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This is absolutely not common knowledge. And I'm pretty sure you won't be able to find a citation from an academic journal about this, 1) because making statements like this out of 100,000 year old bones is not that simple 2) 100,000 years is not that long ago, people were fairly anatomically modern. You would need multiple skeletons to figure out if there was a systematic difference between them and us. Now if you're talking homo erectus or want to talk about millions of years, then what you sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 08:44 PM
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For me it's just more of a sign that my date may have a lot of traditional gender role expectations which I won't want to meet if she automatically thinks I'm paying. I'd gladly pay for a lot more than dinner in a different social context, like if someone needed help. It is not about the money, money and capitalism are stupid anyway. I only dislike ritual and its meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:47 PM
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Assortive mating for height varies dramatically society, by but it's either "no preference" or "male taller" norm of varying degrees, rarely a "female taller" norm. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5297874/ But obviously you'd be hard pressed to have a female taller norm since women are shorter. I suspect what it comes down to is that imprinting on sexual dimorphic cues is biological, but which dimorphisms we fixate on are social (even to the point of sometimes imprinting on irreleva…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:11 PM
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It is not the same because almost everybody likes sex (if someone truly doesn't want to have sex yet that is a different matter) whereas almost nobody likes paying for things. It makes sense to share burdens and pursue pleasures. Trying to avoid doing something you do in fact enjoy should only be done if there are unpleasant side effects of some sort to doing it, which is untrue in this case. Anyway, when I go on dates I just pull out my debit card and don't say a word about it. Almost every wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 03:05 PM
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The idiom is "the shoe is on the other foot"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 02:57 PM
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Man quit playing around, explain the text of the top few posts of what I just linked https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/search?q=donald%20trump&restrict_sr=1
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:57 PM
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I was there before trp was a thing. The PUA precursors were a lot less political but by the time trp and the dark enlightenment and the alt right consolidated they were nihilists who "enjoy the decline"... but that still means they think it is in fact a decline, which is also what conservatives think. It's natural that such a person would eventually age into a tradcon. Look at the mods postings, they've been there for years and they're clearly right wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:26 PM
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Explain the trump support then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:22 PM
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What is msm?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:21 PM
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The redpill is mostly liberal Post a CMV on this. Even red pillers will tell you that's bullshit. The red pill is right wing. Here is a trivial demonstration of something I honestly shouldn't even have to prove https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/search?q=donald%20trump&restrict_sr=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/search/?q=obama&restrict_sr=1
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:43 PM
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You've never seen it? I just casually strolled over to the front page of TRP to see what I could find just today What The Red Pill Can Teach Us About Coronavirus Islam is right about women. If all of us made our women sit at home weaving carpets and observe Sharia rules on modesty less people would contract the disease and die. This is a scientific fact. Praise be to Allah. Treating women like people instead of property leads to more infection and death. i think you don't see it because you don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:15 PM
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Trp: I just want to feel desired and also treated with respect is that so much to ask? Also trp: society will collapse if women have choices we need to bring back socially enforced monogamy and 1960s gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 02:32 PM
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Eh, well, I think that they do. I think everyone wants people who provide emotional labor. The world is cold and most people desperately cling to tiny scraps of warmth where they can find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 12:39 AM
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I think many people mix up "doing emotional labor" with requesting emotional labor of someone else. People who feel that nobody wants to talk to them because they're "too much" emotionally are doing a lot of requesting emotional labor from the other person, they're not actually doing emotional labor. I can't really imagine the sort of person who does emotional labor being able to genuinely complain that no one wants to talk to them. The "negative" side of being the sort of person who tends to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 12:14 AM
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Well, from reading your other posts it sounds like your real question is "how do I date smart people". One answer is: Swap tinder for okcupid and answer the match questions and only go on dates with people who write smart sounding profiles. The other answer is harder, go to grad school and be in professional circles and other groups where smart people congregate. Finally, volume. Date many people and if someone doesn't impress you on the first date don't go on a second one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 06:35 PM
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I would take the balding for sure. Especially if the cramping also comes with the logistical inconvenience of the bleeding, and mood swings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 04:11 PM
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You've put it as "question for bluepill" but the concept of "high value" people is a false redpill concept. There is no low value and high value. Ask the question that you are truly asking, which is how to find a partner that meets your criteria, not this fake question. And then give more information about yourself, such as what are your criteria? Or are you asking what criteria you ought to have?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 03:41 PM
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What you are missing is that to a lot of men, sex is a form of validation. Their is not really a script for interpreting sex as demeaning to men, the script tends to imply that sex only means they're desirable. Also you're missing that we live in a society that treats women, and sex with women, as a commodity that you have to really work for. Therefore a lot of men have the attitude that having sex is similar to being handed money - even if they don't even want the sex there is often a psycholog…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 03:22 PM
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From experience, people who talk like you are mostly alone and end up alone until they learn to compromise and cooperate. Compromising in general is...fine, if you have to. But commpromising in the form of doing more romance or more sex than you actually want in some form of trade is often an empty sacrifice. Compromise sex isn't sexy. Compromise romance isn't romantic. That's what I'm trying to tell you. There are specific aspects of life where compromise doesn't work because the whole point is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 02:40 PM
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Can I assume the kids aren't conflicted about not knowing their genetic relatives? I guess this isn't really hypothetical - since I haven't donated sperm in real life despite having considered it, in reality i have revealed my preference as undecided. Had I been decided on the issue either way I would have done it or been able to confidently say I would not do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 10:49 PM
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This is a tough one because it depends so heavily on context. On one hand I have a lot of back and forth doubts about raising any kids myself, whether adopted or biological. I kind of want to but I am not sure if it's a good idea. It would really depend on my circumstances in life at the time. On the other hand, I feel like kids have a certain right to know and be in contact with their genetic relatives. Is it that you don't have to contact them or that you can't contact them? I don't like the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 10:38 PM
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If it has to be gates, then it's more like two people whose gates are mutually open meet. Anyone who is finding themselves banging against a closed gate is making a mistake..
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 10:29 PM
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Because people here are very insecure. Because people here come from a culture where women's sexuality is a commodity, and they have never experienced or imagined a different one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:11 PM
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Or you could stop dividing the world into the gatekeepers and gatekept
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:08 PM
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everything is always about power and pressure for you people has it ever occurred to you that maybe people don't want to pressure others for commitment or anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 09:05 PM
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But I'm a man haha. It's funny how whenever I disagree with redpillers and fdsers they assume I must be whatever gender they're salty at. And yes I've never had to compromise for sex and romance in the sense of giving more than I want to, not because my partners are making huge efforts for me but because I only select people who want what I want in the first place. I do compromise for other things, but not those things. You make not compromising sound so bad but compromise is something you do wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:51 PM
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People always do things they don't really want just to please the other, Some things can work like that. Doing chores often works like that for most people.. Some things can't work like that. Sex and romance do not work like that for many people. The puzzle piece you seem to be missing is that with sex and romance part of the desire is for the other person to desire you so it only works if you mutually both want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:52 AM
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Your entire paradigm is wrong. We do whatever we want to, and there is lots of sex because we both want lots of sex, not because it is expected. Same with romance. There are some things in life that are worth much less when not coming from a place of mutual independent will.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:49 AM
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You should be strong and independent, do nice things for others, and keep your eyes peeled for people who are doing the same. What do you think a healthy medium of all the pills There is no "healthy medium" between garbage and more garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:42 AM
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I would say gender is the most important factor for how people treat you, but not very relevant to what you really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 05:54 AM
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SMV isn't a useful concept. Good career makes you appealing to the type of person who cares about your career. But is that really a driving point for attraction? usually not, but for some people it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 05:47 AM
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In the kink scene this sort of thing is not super uncommon. I think the sensible people in the scene would avoid someone with a one sided open relationship, especially if that person openly espoused reactionary opinions like the ones on this forum, but ultimately most humans are not very discerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 03:10 AM
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This forum has SUCH a compulsion to say "that doesn't exist" or "all x are like that" or "this is unrealistic" rather than just admit that different people are different. There's not a single thing in this forum that I haven't seen play out in real life in a perfectly nice way that was mutually enjoyable for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 02:59 AM
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You're missing out on a decade of building a relationship, which is not the end of the world but i doubt that it is ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:48 PM
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I believe you, but I don't think that's representative of the norm!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:43 PM
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he has breasts, curves and softness; all universally pleasing to the eye ... An average man...really doesn’t have much going for him appeal-wise. Um I think you should consider that you might not be a heterosexual haha. Most heterosexual women do find average male features appealing, and feminine features are definitely not "universally" appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 01:53 PM
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why do you think your friends go?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 11:00 PM
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This is pretty low on specifics, it depends what you mean by "not naive", a lot of people walk around with cynicism masquerading as wisdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:52 PM
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Frats will artificially skew the gender ratio at parties so that any halfway-attractive girl can get a bid while only brothers and their close friends can get in. If you know this, why would you participate? What's in it for you? Or did you just see it once and back out?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:45 PM
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One hundred and thirty seven comments which make no progress towards answering the question. Zero people googling the question. Useless, the lot of you. https://relationshipsinamerica.com/marriage-and-divorce/whos-more-interested-in-marrying-men-or-women A 2012 survey conducted by Pew Research found that nearly equal numbers of men and women (83 percent and 84 percent, respectively) said that having a successful marriage was “one of the most important things,” or “very important” in their lives.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:36 PM
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Well, to be clear, I think you can expect whatever you want. There are tons of guys out there, demisexual guys, asexual guys, and guys who like sex but don't put a huge priority on it. It's easy to just date one of them. If you're asking after the perspectives of people who do prioritize being able to have sex within relationships, it's not because of "thinking with boners 24/7", but rather because daily sex with someone they love represents a major quality of life improvement which they're not …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 03:06 PM
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Into relationships? Because of falling in love, usually. Into exclusivity? I imagine either because of being raised with ideals about monogamy, or because of sexual jealousy. And of course there's also the rare person who actually only desires one person - although none of those apply to me so idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:56 PM
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Yeah that's fair society doesn't really give you a chance to think other life options through. All the same, having thought it through, it seems like one shouldn't enter the agreement unless one has accounted for this possibility
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 02:07 PM
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belief that it's useful to generalize about men and women in ones personal relationships belief that men and women have different and sometimes opposing interests and heterosexual relationships therefore must be a bit antagonistic belief that there's something immoral, bad, unwise or practically worse than before about 3rd wave feminism and sexual revolution and that something in the archaic pre 1960s value system was better. belief in ruthless hypergamy from women (and less commonly, ruthless p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 07:58 AM
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I mean, I wouldn't want a sexless marriage either but my solution is not entering exclusive marriages. I feel like the whole idea of exclusive marriages sort of implies that you're putting the right to have sex with someone when your partner doesn't eant to have sex aside.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 07:20 AM
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Medicine is science based, but the MD degree does not teach you to do science. Many modern anti vax ideas rose out of dr. Andrew wakefield's mislabeling of vaccines as autism causing. This place is weird, but this fact is not a part of this place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 07:17 AM
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A doctor without a scientist is no better than a shaman. A doctor's opinions on anything but the most practical, hands-on procedures are only valid to the extent that a doctor does what a scientist had told them to do. I wouldn't trust a doctor's opinion on this particular topic more than anyone else's, and I'd actively mistrust any doctor who claimed to be trustworthy in this domain. People failing to understand this truth is how vaccine denialism got started.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 04:28 PM
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Yeah honestly lifting is great, I lift every other day and when I miss a workout my productivity in the rest of my life tanks. What isn't great is this weird mentality and ideology that rp has built around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 03:40 PM
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I have. I don't really care to defend porn, I just don't like superstitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 03:39 PM
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""""Doctors"""" Also, doctors aren't scientists, don't have expertise in this domain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 03:11 PM
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It doesn't matter as long as it does not increase my expenditures to make up for the lack.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:34 AM
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no way
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:33 AM
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I never went to church, think religion is stupid, totally have sex on the first date, and disagree with you that in fact men aren't constantly falling in love with strippers and pornstars because they are ...but I agree with you on the dead bedroom / sex is a need people. Like wtf, you've known someone for decades, you agreed to monogamy, you claim to love them... and you're about to walk out because the sex stopped? Really shouldn't have agreed to monogamy if that's how you're going to be about…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:30 AM
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I just went there and searched "dating" and the top relevant posts were "my clients want to date me how do I let them down without losing them as a customer" and "oh my clients are so nice that I'm too spoiled for going on real dates anymore"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 04:57 AM
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I'm not 45 hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 04:55 AM
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There could be many reasons. I assume the most common are because they think prostitution is wrong as a principled stance, because of sexual insecurity about being less experienced, because of sexual jealousy regarding the past, because they fear what will their family and friends think, or because they think it reduces the value of the woman as a commodity, like a used car - in that order of frequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 01:17 AM
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No, the modern dating scene doesn't need to be fixed no the modern operational sex ratio isn't less egalitarian than the ancestral one No, in fact, the modern operational sex ratio is closer to the ancestral one than the traditional one ("traditional" is still a deviation from ancestral, your grandparents weren't foragers) No, even if we accept the flawed idea that the modern operational sex ratio is skewed, it would not be skewed for reproduction because of contraceptive tech. Sex without pregn…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 12:55 AM
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which men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 12:43 AM
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It's uh...not. Pornstars, prostitutes, sex workers, escorts etc are swimming in options. is there a type of man who are disgusted by it? yes. Would they date such a man anyway? probably not, unless they're the "lost soul" type of promiscuous. Are they surrounded by men who are interested? Yes. Do they get a large volume of marriage proposals from clients every other month? Yes. Are ordinary men who they know in their lives interested? Also yes. A sex worker is typically someone who is skilled at…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 12:39 AM
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Bullies are bad. Why fixate, on all things, on who does or does not freely choose to sleep with them? Bullies have sex, they also breathe and shit, they also earn money and eat good food, just like everybody else. Don't you think the fixation on people who choose to have sex with bullies is being used as a roundabout way to say that women should not have sexual freedom?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 12:36 AM
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I think you haven't understood what I've said. Girls like boys, and it makes surprisingly little difference whether they are good or bad, in the truest sense of the words - although good is certainly preferred. What people like sexually is orthogonal to morality - neither good nor bad. Some people go for good, a few people go for bad, and most people just go for "hot, available and proximate/familiar". The red pill reaction to this is either "bring that the patriarchy so we can force them to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 11:21 PM
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I enjoy that this place has come full circle from blackpill to "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 09:06 PM
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Are people really elderly? People sound about 25-45
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 09:04 PM
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Well a difference between being bisexual and feminine, if their taste is more femme men then they won't necessarily be into op
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 09:02 PM
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Girls like boys, and it makes surprisingly little difference whether they are good or bad, in the truest sense of the words - although good is certainly preferred. But when you live in a bad society which tells you that any amount of sexual autonomy is "bad", sometimes """bad""" is good. What does "bad" mean though? The meaning of the word is controlled by an authority figure. A tyrant. To the tyrant, "bad" means "the guy I want to keep her away from". To her, "bad" means "the guy the authority …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:52 PM
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Are you sure these are the same people? I've certainly encountered some girls who were put off by my bisexuality but they were all sort of conservative / centrist / liberal but not leftist enough to be waving a rainbow flag unless they were in a social setting where it was expected. Usually when girls find out I'm queer they are if anything even more into it. ​ (Granted I guess "conservative / centrist / liberal but not leftist enough to be waving a rainbow flag unless they were in a social sett…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:47 PM
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I don't think it is equally painful. Would you trade places? Better to be a bit frustrated at other people at certain times than to chronically be irritable, defensive, and have a deep feeling of emptiness inside constantly. Also don't forget that when two people who are emotionally impaired get together, they still resent each other. It is a resentment comes regardless of circumstance, due to not being able to navigate expectations and reality. So they have to experience both the external frust…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:43 PM
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If something is given to you unconditionally, how can it be valuable? 😂😭 this is such a revealing statement. You won't be needing the sunlight and air then, along with love I guess. You didn't FTFY you just made the statement incorrect, in a way that reveals that you don't want love which is unconditional, but rather validation for how you are being. This is precisely the condition I'm describing above.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 04:20 PM
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No because crushes are on real, specific people, not imaginary girl next door archetypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:38 PM
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Bad example - there are very specific and hard "dos" and "don't" when it comes to cooking precisely because there is enough similarity in the human palette that you shouldn't just feed people random things like dirt, sawdust, etc in an attempt to figure out their special preference. Right, so when it comes to sex that means usually do kiss them and touch your genitalia together and don't say "thursday" one hundred times in loop. But when it comes to questions like whether sex should be kinky or …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:30 PM
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It has happened and I didn't like it. At first it was weird and a bit flattering but as it kept happening over time it became off putting. It also is a bit threatening sometimes once this creepy guy at a club grabbed at my balls while I was dancing with a girl and it kind of hurt. But I'm bisexual I doubt straight men will ever have this experience consistently enough to understand women. When I was being straight for all intents and purposes I only had the experience three or four times. Even n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:22 PM
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That is the only one I've experienced (I love pretty easily, not all my partners have) but it's definitely not equally painful. I think the one who is less capable of love definitely hurts a lot more more in this process. (If that seems backwards to you then you're not thinking about love, but of dependence, which is one of the things which obscures the ability to love) Don't get me wrong I know it is a sad thing, as I have been there, but I'm sure feeling sorry for someone else's inability to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 03:03 PM
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It's pretty clear that women DO have sexual preferences, but for some weird idealogical reason certain people here refuse to apply the same logic that applies to almost every other preference in life to women's sexual desire. Not ideological, practical. As in what stance will help you in life? The stance of applying averages or the stance of looking at individuals? Imagine you are aiming to be a personal chef. Maybe you even want multiple clients whatever. You shouldn't say "this person hates ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:52 AM
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As an opposing data point, I've got two replies within a day from an R4R post with nothing but well written text (although they didn't lead to a meetup)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 12:43 AM
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It's because WSJ is conservative. Right wingers and centrists with conservative tendencies eat this shit up (both trp and fds, depending on gender) but the male forums have too much "grab them by the pussy" type vulgarity for them to be publically seen approving of. FDS thus offers a sort of more acceptable TRP-lite. The media putlets that post negative pieces on the manosphere are liberal. They won't attack the female forums because the female forums are subtle and less obviously bad. If you ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 12:29 AM
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Does anyone here have a substantive view on this beyond “women are different unique snowflakes, no study of their collective behavior possible, shut down this convo right now.” No, nobody does. There are no substantive views on this topic other than realizing that not all people are the same. If you rule that out, your opinion will be hopelessly wrong. I have dated many people. In some relationships all sexual acts were on the table. I have done every single thing that I've seen in porn that I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 11:16 PM
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>From the iPhone you are tapping these responses in, to reddit itself, to whether we have pavement and street lighting. It's all there because a man wanted to outdo another man so he could get laid. Speaking as someone who creates things, the drive to create is intrinsic. It takes time away from dating if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 11:04 PM
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It is a bug in the sense that we could have a world where almost everyone lives like that, but we don't. If a blind person and a sighted person get together, the sighted person will still see the blind person even if the blind person can never see anything, including themselves. Where is the transaction there? But we live in a world where the "blindness" is a result of many people being raised in the darkness and not learning how to see, and that - the reality of so many people growing up in dar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 10:48 PM
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I think perhaps the terrible truth is that some people are currently capable of love, and some are not, and most people who post here fall under the latter category (I'm taking love as you define it - selfless, unconditional). A few people can't love because they are callous, but most people can't love because they are too insecure to think of another person. It's not that they don't have any capacity to love inside, but that their loving selfless instincts are overridden by the selfishness that…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 10:07 PM
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His texts were insanely cringey and people were being weirdly tolerant about it. I wouldn't have met up with a date who texted like him no matter how hot she was.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 08:49 PM
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Both of those guys are hot, idk what you guys are thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 08:49 PM
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They already made plenty of scales. https://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/sites/default/files/ash/oah/oah-initiatives/paf/508-assets/conf-2011-herman-irma.pdf more rape myth acceptance = more red https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232548173_The_Ambivalent_Sexism_Inventory_Differentiating_Hostile_and_Benevolent_Sexism more benevolent sexism = more pre-red ...or you might call it "blue", basically what rp guys are until they get disillusioned. more hostile sexism = more red
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 08:43 PM
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so literally the same thing but you put a different word for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 08:36 PM
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Of course. Everyone overhypes appearance and also everyone overhypes "interesting and simple" behavior (niceness, masculinity, whatever) and underhypes complex things which really matter like "social embeddedness" and "number of leisure hours". But ... you should still lift. It will make your life better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 02:53 PM
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It already did. The peak was 2015-18. It's over now. It already had a (in my opinion negative) impact on the world, by being part of the general wave of reactionary alt-right sentiment which brought us Trump, Boris Johnson, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 04:50 PM
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Politicians and industrialists might as well realize that with half of the population working and consuming less, feminism turned out to be a failed social experiment not much differently from communism. If you keep telling yourself blatant lies which can be disproved with a simple google search and closing your eyes society will leave you behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 04:42 PM
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no and i am from a culture which does that too my mom keeps saying she will but she never does haha
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 04:38 PM
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It's teachings of building attraction, creating purpose, physical/mental fortitude, stoicism, and leadership are very valuable, but after that it loses me. That is very discerning of you. Good on you for finding a happy medium. So hey I have a great ideology for you, it's called toelessism. Here is how it goes. The sky is usually blue and grass is usually green. Don't jump from a height of more than two stories. if you really want to be successful in life you should cut off some toes. Remember t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 03:47 AM
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Wow, that is a blatant case of multiple comparisons cherry picking. The lifetime and 12-month prevalence of rape by an intimate partner for women was an estimated 8.8% and 0.8%, respectively (Table 6). Nationally, an estimated 15.8% of women experienced other forms of sexual violence by an intimate partner during their lifetimes, while an estimated 2.1% of women experienced other forms of sexual violence by a partner in the 12 months before taking the survey. Ok but it's rape, so obviously. Let'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:55 PM
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um...did you link the wrong article? The numbers in this study show that women experience more partner violence overall and on every sub-domain studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 07:20 PM
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I do think this is a common experience for people in the mgtow/redpill/etc community, which is for obvious reasons going to be self selecting for men who have been abused by women and tend to get into relationships with abusive women (in addition to men who are against women for other reasons). I think this behavior is also somewhat common in the general population, and that everyone does it but that 1) men do generally do aggression and abuse and other violent crime more often than women do 2) …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:59 PM
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I don't want to listen to the whole audio but if anyone wants to transcribe that, I'd read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:46 PM
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I suspect you just think this because you're a straight woman. So you are looking at other woman with eyes that are socially conditioned to objectify and evaluate aesthetics, whereas when you see a really attractive man, more instinctive, less socially conditioned responses come in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:39 PM
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It doesn't apply to any interactions at all, the consensus is wrong. Whether you are nice or not has less to do with your life outcomes than you might imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 11:02 PM
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Does this mean I'm supposed to delete, or will automod do that? Not that it matters, all the girls showed up right after me to say Idris Elba anyway haha
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 10:58 PM
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Bisexual male opinion, but: idris elba? Although I wouldn't have pinned Mamoa or Hemsworth as particularly pretty boys. Pretty would be like Chris Colfer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 10:27 PM
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Had you been born in a third world shithole where you are treated as a mere peasant for the capitalist overlords, you too would feel just how real the chains are. If things were more equal, women would consider these men attractive. So what are you proposing exactly? To make things "more equal"? If you're proposing a basic income guarantee, food, shelter, and medical coverage (including mental) for all people, and you think this alone will change reproductive outcomes, then great Well, we could …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 09:32 PM
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The pessimistic explanation would be because they've been so conditioned that they don't even care whether the other person is enjoying it. The optimistic explanation is that they've never experienced or even seen love and wouldn't know what it means. You know you are in trouble when that is the optimistic explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 09:20 PM
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The idea that "men" invented Mandatory Monogamy in order to control women and benefit "men" collectively is clearly wrong. Then who invented it, and why? Use critical thinking. Things like that are not coincidences, there is always someone's interest at stake. Pre-history and history are important, and anyone who studies them knows: men didn't invent monogamy. Powerful men invented slavery and it was called "marriage". Only recently was it not allowed to have more than one wife. And there was al…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 09:09 PM
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I don't mean why it's relevant to our conversation, I meant I'm not sure what larger context the people who make that argument think it is relevant to. If they're merely trying to argue some sort of correlation between things they're probably right, but I suspect they're trying to go further than this into some sort of unjustified universals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 08:00 PM
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Hell, my best friend had BPD and has a lot of episodes. She’s been in LTRs since we were 16. Assuming she is monogamous, this means she does not have long lasting relationships, but rather several short ones. I had been the chill girl for years and watched guy after guy lose interest. Sounds like you're not having long lasting relationships, but rather several short ones. So...what's the difference between you and her? Different behaviors, same results it sounds like, so what does this prove? Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 07:54 PM
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I'm still not sure what to make of it, what's your opinion on people that say that sex and gender are linked? I would say I'm not sure what that statement means or why it's relevant. Firstly I'd have to understand exactly which semantic hairs they are splitting with "sex" and "gender" because usage of those terms is hardly consistent. Secondly, a lot of things in our universe are linked. Vaginas are linked to breasts which are linked to bras which are linked to skirts and makeup and dolls, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 07:47 PM
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So when you asked me what gender essentialism was, that was a rhetorical, socratic question huh? That argument is as ridiculous as claiming that the existence of genitals proves gender essentialism correct. Brains aren't magic soul things, they are biological entities. You can crack open a skull and touch the brain. If there can exist penises and vaginas and intermediate things, then there also can exist all sorts of brain shapes which lead to all sorts of behavior. And that's before we even get…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 07:33 PM
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Within the current norms, we are cast out of society, and even as outcasts we are often not allowed to exist in peace. This has only recently begun changing, and only because of our actions and arguments and activism successfully convincing everyone. We are cast out because we are unusual. This broken society organized itself around a hierarchy which assumed heterosexuality and specific gender roles, creating a system which had no place for us. Any statement that claims that "all x are like that…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 07:14 PM
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No. I'm also not okay with that happening to anyone anywhere - including within marriage. I am prepared to destroy the institutions that create those circumstances. I also view people who say "yes" as suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:44 PM
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What's gender essentialism? "AWALT" and similar ideas Wasn't that forum also filled with nihilism and hatred?] ​ no https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45284455
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:35 PM
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Queer people will never buy into these ideologies because gender essentializing is hostile to us. The first incel forum was actually started by a lesbian women and was a warm and inclusive place for *everyone* who had trouble getting what they wanted from relationships, before the straights took the concept and turned it into these hateful ridiculous gender wars and other nonsense of the type that queer people have no need of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:28 PM
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thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:11 PM
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Who made this, where can I find the source of this comic?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 05:12 PM
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Nah just world would be if I said they're rejected because they're bad. Which I did not say. Plenty of good and bad people are both rejected and not rejected. Whereas I said they gravitate to trp because they are bad (and according to OP, because they are rejected)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 10:27 PM
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I think your comment makes sense if you assume understanding = doublethink, since he's saying you are meant to do the opposite of what is said and say the opposite of what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 01:42 AM
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If you stripped the gender stuff out The sky is usually blue and grass is usually green. Don't jump from a height of more than two stories. if you really want to be successful in life you should cut off some toes. Remember to eat well, exercise, and keep close to your loved ones. start with your pinky and then move on to the bigger toes. T count between 3 and 6. Take a moment, every once in a while, to think about what you have to be thankful for. Don't go overboard, there is absolutely no need …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 07:23 PM
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no one should take advice from them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 07:19 PM
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​ If women were choosing nice, conscientious, loyal and honest men there would be no unsatisfied men in the SMP to gravitate towards TRP. Except...maybe...the people who were not nice, not conscientious, not loyal, not honest...and were also unsatisfied...would gravitate towards a philosophy that encourages being toxic, abusive, disloyal and manipulative? Logic fail... Consider an alternate, perhaps more obvious hypothesis That women are now more free than in the past that there are men who don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 07:09 PM
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. You're supposed to both unconditionally shame guys who touch women without asking and know when it's OK to establish light physical contact without asking and be confident enough to do it. No...most people can tell the difference between when someone is touching you because they feel entitled to and have no regard for your personal space vs. when they have simply misread personal cues about when it is okay to touch. This is not about filtering out competent social cue readers from incompetent …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 07:03 PM
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- You can't generalize across all men, not everyone reacts to sex the same way. - it's unhelpful to put so much emphasis on relative attractiveness. You shouldn't just assume that he sees you as less attractive like this. - there's more to sexual compatibility than just "being good at it" (e.g. chemistry, compatible kinks etc) - you're jumping the gun on being ready to commit, as it seems you haven't even met him in person more than once yet so how do even you know you're going to like him? This…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:43 PM
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It won't, ideology is irrelevant, quality is all resource and tech based.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:40 AM
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You're using left and right differently than me. Unfortunately the words in English are lacking, it's my fault for not being clear. I'm referring left to mean egalitarian values, sexual liberation, and non hierarchical societies. E.g. what modern sex positive feminists and many hunter gatherer peoples have in common. And right to mean rigid norms of caste, race, gender and sexual repression. E.g. that which modern alt right, modern fascists and traditional conservatives have in common. stalinist…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:07 AM
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The alt right has gradually become incorporated into the regular right. Conservative ideas typically follow a timeline of becoming irrelevant to the intellectuals in about 5-10 years and then aging out as believers die. Liberal ideas follow a similar pattern except before they die, they go through a phase of becoming accepted among conservatives, whereas the reverse does not occur. Politics will primarily move leftward, so long as economic progress and quality of life improvement continues. Cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 04:10 PM
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You could try not believing wrong things about natures
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 10:34 PM
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But why is that relevant when bonobos and chimpanzees have the same testicles size, and thus are similarly unlike us? Both chimpanzees and bonobos are similarly more promiscuous than humans, chimpanzees are just also aggressive, male dominated, and lacking the same calming social function to sex. Humans do put social functions on sex, like bonobos, yet are more male dominated like chimps - it's not obvious that chimpanzees vs bonobos are a better analog to humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 10:25 PM
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And both of these women are "created" by the genie, they didn't exist before you make your choice What I mean is how is the second option magic / different from real life, where people have sex with you when they want to and they don't neccesarily always want to? The first option guarantees that you'll be magically loved in a way that isn't quite realistical for real humans but forces you into monogamy, which is indeed different from real life. Whereas the second option guarantees nothing and is…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 10:15 PM
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the kind of girl you might be ashamed to be seen in public with. I would never be "ashamed to be seen in public with" someone, what a disgusting idea... Also how is the second option different from just creating a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 07:10 PM
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Level of experience wouldn't matter either way to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 12:08 AM
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yes but not a monogamous relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 12:00 AM
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among people who take internet surveys about sex, most people don't have a marked preference. Among those that do, men do lean towards dominance over submission in sex, while women do lean towards submission over dominance in sex, but the extent of the "leaning" is higher for women. However, wanting to dominate during sex and wanting to submit during sex are actually not opposites but quite correlated, which is to say that the real division is "kinky" vs "vanilla" and most people are switches. w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 11:53 PM
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I would do precisely the same as what I do now but with a bit more risk aversion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 11:31 PM
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How is that different from you pulling chimps out to prove bullshit? Genetic distance is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 11:28 PM
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How come you're fine with saying we are not bonobos but you're happy to say we can look at chimps
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 10:01 PM
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A lot of y'all salty about the fact that yes, people can and do use your beliefs and worldview to determine your desirability. Even many rational people with low or no sexual partners would not want to date someone who values a low sexual partner count, because that shows you have a broken worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:58 AM
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Both equally, m
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 11:34 PM
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Aww you were afraid they'd steal your man?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:40 PM
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No need for all that it's already hit peak and is fading
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:38 PM
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It's kind of late for you to be posting then, but same thing really.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:34 PM
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Anyone of any gender or appearance with a sufficiently wide ranging social circle (so, not incel community types) will eventually be approached multiple times by men, women and others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:31 PM
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You probably went to university in America or Canada - so no you don't
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:27 PM
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Most of them. Conservative Indians tell their kids, marry who you like but no BMWs - blacks, whites, muslims. Preference for the aesthetic and appearance of the wealthy within the population one grew up in is common across many cultures. That means light skinned Indians are often held up as the "most attractive" in that context.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:23 PM
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She might have sex because it is awkward to say no. Also puas aren't above drunk sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:18 PM
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Depends on the person and place. For example in India a dark haired white women would typically be preferred over blonde ones by modeling agencies etc. Light skin is preferred but that doesn't translate to entirely white features.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:14 PM
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If you go to the top 10% in Asia you can find some attractive women. But for Middle Easterners - no chance. Well, that tells me what I need to know about why you think this. The thing is that the race-based component of your aesthetic judgement will not be shared by people with a different upbringing from you. Only the biologically relevant components of attractiveness will hold true cross culturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:34 PM
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Look at ISIS and they're basically the result of the so called beta uprising. The tradcon society that spawns ISIS does most of the things suggested this thread - (slut shaming, women's economic dependence on men) and has none of the things this thread suggests revoking (alimony, support for single parents, government support, resources for women's reproductive health and control). And yet. There they are. If radical Islam, where women are subservient to men, virginity in marriage is prized, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:16 PM
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Their audience is the general population, most of which is also traditional and conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:58 PM
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I think many (maybe not most) people like a daring aesthetic, a little superficially edgy flair, but unfortunately if someone is actually rebellious in any significant way then they do ultimately get cast out and rejected by most people. Westernized people in their celebrations of individuality often claim they don't like boring conformists but actually if you examine behavior and not actions most people are conformists and like other conformists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:50 PM
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ITT, comments that advocate relinquishing of freedoms
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:43 PM
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She looks conventionally attractive to me. Do you just not find arabic people attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:38 PM
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I disagree with The Make-up Fallacy I spend a lot of time with my girlfriends and my female relatives and only one person I've ever dated was that intense about makeup (and that was rooted in insecurity tbh). The gym is definitely way more annoying to most people than makeup. However I don't know where you're finding all these women who think going to the gym is easy and all guys can do it! I do agree that when people say "not toooo muscular" they are often thinking of "too muscular" as an image…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:25 PM
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Huh. Even I think it's generally okay to politely ask someone out even without signals assuming it lies within the prevailing cultural norms for the situation and setting (although I am usually too shy to actually do so). Signals are ambiguous. I'm pretty sure it is not obvious when I want someone to talk to me more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:19 PM
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Why not let people who indicate that they want to be left alone, alone? Who said it was "supposed" to happen in any particular way? What's wrong with just taking people at their word about what they want? Or are you suggesting what they want doesn't even matter? If they really want to get together with someone they will eventually do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:04 PM
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That's just a rationalization and also just because someone ends up enjoying some portion of the experience doesn't automatically justify everything that happens before that point. I'm sure some slaves and masters have fallen in love, which wouldn't happen without the slavery - that doesn't justify slavery. Analogously just because some people ultimaltely ends up liking sex doesn't mean it's ok to disregard their resistance leading up to the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 04:54 PM
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That is rare because you defined it as rare from the start, but this Yes, some men get approached first by women. Yes, some men are attractive enough that women are willing to make them favors, which may include money. Yes, some guys get chased and followed by co-workers and acquaintances. Yes, some women BRAG about having slept with a guy when said guy is attractive enough, he becomes a trophy. I would put at 15-30% (at reproductive age), with lending money becoming more common for the extreme …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 03:33 PM
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And when women think about what being a man is like, that is the man many of them are envisioning Now take that insight and apply it to how you think about women's experiences...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 03:26 PM
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They teach people to push past "bitch shields" and ignore "last minute resistance". Not care about other person's interests or comfort. Aggressive pushy saleslike tactics an lead to unpleasant experiences, post sex regret, and even assault at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 03:17 PM
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I think women would be equally confident as men if they traded places with men, and are currently less confident. (If they were more confident they would in fact approach people they were interested in at rates which are more similar to what men do)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 03:13 PM
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My dating life improves when I am unemployed because I have more time on my hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 05:30 PM
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That is very pedantic of you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 03:59 PM
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The worlds' shortest women, who I actually met once, is 2'6''
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:03 AM
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You can't ever "expect" sex from someone. Sex is only something you can have when everyone involves wants it. (Posting under automod because not a woman)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:51 AM
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Who needs a whole science paper to prove that when I can just point to some of y'all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:49 AM
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Sure. Just because I think marriage is a patriarchal institution rooted in the contamination of pure constructs like sex and love with dirty constructs like property rights doesn't mean the tax benefits and other legal bundles that come with it are not real things which I'd want to use to my advantage. I'd still want a pre-nup (or at least an informal agreement between the two of us about what would happen financially if we split) because I would not want her to wonder about me. If she ever want…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:41 AM
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"blue pill" is an imaginary perspective conjured by redpill. Nobody calls themselves "blue pill".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:09 AM
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It depends on the LTR.T he most sexual LTR i've been in was 1-3 times per day. The least sexual LTR i've been in, it was about once a week. I'd say on average it has been once every day and a half or so. It goes 10 to 45 min, with normal being about 25 min? Plus 20-30 min of napping after. My preference is 2-4 times a day,logistics permitting. gender: male, pill: sex-positive feminism, relationship status: polyamorous what activities does it entail? It tends to be to either be almost everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 12:58 AM
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>Have to "Have to" implies that I can't just date this person without supporting them, which rules them out. But realistically I'm not financially supporting anyone nor expecting anyone to support me, so the money is irrelevant. If someone wanted financial support in exchange for dating that would be a deal breaker. I'd consider dating someone who was 40. It is quite a lot older than me so I might have to think over the logistical implications of that but if we worked well together then age is j…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 12:43 AM
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You know drug dealers and criminals also play LoL and WoW haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 12:38 AM
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Heh, I actually have so far met JUST ONE (1) SETTLE DOWN person who told me they thought the idea of someone being a really accurate shooter was hot. I should have predicted this would happen when I went on a date with someone who answers "yes" to the "would you date a serial killer" question on okcupid, but I had just assumed she was kidding because who the hell would do that. This person was unusual in many ways though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 12:35 AM
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I think *most* ordinary human beings in this world would say "that's disgusting and manipulative, fuck you for suggesting it". The ones who give any other response are the weird ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 07:23 PM
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This confuses about which faction you're supposed to be on, because you are actually making a classic manosphere argument right now. The idea that women don't want X for its own sake but only in exchange for A or B, that the whole thing works like economics, that you need to provide something of value in return...these are all backwards and regressive manosphere thinking. I want to (and do) have sex with people because I want to and they want to, I want to (and do) give and receive emotional sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 07:15 PM
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The guys would say that, but the girls wouldn't think it was unrealistic. At least not the ones who have had many long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:46 AM
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> Are you really saying that men don't experience physical horniness more than women do? Well I don't really know and neither does anyone obviously. Based on my personal experience I'm certain that it's not like height or strength, there is a lot more variation within genders than between people, and that it isn't really practically useful to boil it down to gender. I'd say more than half of the women who I dated were equally sexually driven to me (and I'm probably somewhere near the max level o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:39 AM
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It is distasteful to my sensibilities. I'm undecided if it is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:22 AM
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I am not sure I agree with the point you are trying to make, but I bet you'll get answers much closer to validating the opinion you are looking for if you make the analogy identical but gender swapped - say is that the woman is frustrated and in a totally dead bedroom with a man and then she finds out that he had no problem having wild kinky sex with his previous partners at all, and when she asks why he can't have sex with her he comes back with something like "that was different" or "our relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:13 AM
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> I really don't understand how anyone could disagree with this. I disagree with it. I think you have accurately described and understand women pretty well, but that you don't understand *men*. It's a mistake to think that the reason men (in normie culture) pursue sex are down to lust. It's a lot much more complicated than lust, it's very tied up factors like validation, entitlement, confidence, safety, and social framing of the act of heterosexual sex and what it means. For example in the middl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:54 AM
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I thought about this for a solid 5 minutes and I think there actually isn't anything. Other than really super basic shit like "going to the gym has improved my life" and "turns out, some people are into bdsm" which isn't really a proof, just a fact of life which everyone knows that rp likes to extrapolate into larger points.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:34 AM
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> this behavior is found in some other species as well(I can find you the paper on this regarding Bonobos and some others if you would like) i want the paper
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:16 AM
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Just because something is socially acceptable does not mean it is not foolish and wrong. I'll judge it case by case. I haven't seen much good come out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 01:21 AM
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this is the first I'm hearing of this. As a human being he is of course I'm sorry that he had to through such a difficult event. If he was just anyone I'd stop at empathy, but as far as being a public figure, yes, I'm not going to resist the I told you so. This should be a warning sign to everyone who got duped by what he was peddling. He had a hollow, empty philosophy that couldn't help him deal with life when shit got real. Now he's turned to what I would consider another hollow philosophy in …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 12:16 AM
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shrug depends on what you are looking for. I think that may be true for the average generic person and whose goal is just to get a message or get a date with someone. I only am interested in dating people who meet fairly specific criteria which <5% of the population fall under, and the people I am looking to date are necessarily going to be looking for the same specific criteria, so my experience is different. Different games, different rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 08:36 PM
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Well, I don't know whether spamming works or not - maybe it does. In the above comment I wasn't trying to tell people what they are supposed to do to get what they want, I'm just explaining why the woman has the perspective she has. If spamming has been working for you then I think that's fine (although it's maybe kinda negative sum to the online ecosystem as a whole). I will say that there's no need to necessarily focus on one person, you can still talk to multiple people. Even I always talk to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:45 AM
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My aim isn't to deny the phenomenon, it's to have a more helpful framework for navigating it. When I say this doesn't mean that people in a relationship don't rank desire as equally important. don't turn it into this doesn't mean that all people in a relationship don't rank desire as equally important. because what I mean is this doesn't mean that many people in a relationship don't rank desire as equally important. And to deal with the fact that for some people, sex and relationships are transa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 05:55 AM
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You show them OKCupid and they meet their soulmate. How does that benefit your SMV or success in dating? But your friend then appreciates you, so they might do something nice for you later. In general doing nice things for people brings reputation gains and social capital, as well as expands your social network. You effectively gain in social capital from that interaction, much like okcupid gains in user traffic capital. You could even charge financial capital for such things and call it dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:44 AM
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Outside of your bloodline, no one has any incentive to want to see you succeed in dating and in fact the rest will generally benefit from your failure. This is different from the labor market, education or the vast majority of commercial markets I don't understand. Beyond ordinary compassion, no one has incentive to want to see you eating either, and yet people do in fact continue to farm and ship things to market and so on? On the other hand, service industries are inherently altruistic with hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:08 AM
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I think that it can sometimes help if you're getting over your first or second love, because with no experience to put it in context it's easy to lose perspective and feel like your whole world is gone when they are gone. But once you've been around the block a few times then there is no need for that sort of thing, since you have some perspective and understand that your life is much is bigger than your relationship. Have you done it before? I'm not sure. After my first break up, I waited a few…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 01:42 AM
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If you wanted to date a woman who did not wear purses though it would be pretty easy. I would not give life advice of "give up, there are no women who do not wear purses, just accept the purses will exist".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 01:38 AM
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I think the woman is right. You see what is happening is that there is a very loud 5% of men who spam every single profile. It is not that these men are "losers" per se, it is that their messages mean nothing. I know this because I'm a bisexual man and I get a lot of low quality messages from a small minority of gay men who are spamming every profile. I get more messages total from men but all the messages are "hi". Among actually wanting to meet me messages I get way more from women than men (o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 01:27 AM
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Can someone explain to me how anyone dates in high school? I never actually dated in high school. I felt like dating was absolutely beyond the pale of what was possible. I mean, after an 8 hour workday at school there was another 3 hours of homework every night and 3 hours of some extracurricular activity on top of that. And where would we even go on the date? Do we go to our parents' house afterwards? Would we ask our respective dads for a ride home when the date was over? So awkward. I only st…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:20 AM
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It's important to most people to be desired. It makes sense not to want to be in a relationship with someone who doesn't desire you. If someone says that they wouldn't bother with you if you didn't do xyz because you are not desirable enough to have sex with without the perks of xyz, that is absolutely something that would bother the majority of people. I wouldn't want to have sex with someone who doesn't want sex with me for its own sake. That would feel bad, sex is something that most people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 10:55 PM
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I definitely think it would be hard to maintain six active relationships but if you were in that sort of social circle and hung out with a lot of swinger and adventerous types and stayed friends with your non-monogamous exes and whatnot for a few years, I think it would not be super difficult to at least know at least 6 people who consider you their friend, who might plausibly say "sure" if you callled them up one day and said "hey wanna get together and have sex". I mean, it would probably be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 06:17 AM
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If you're in the right social circle to meet people who are into having friends with benefits, having two or hree friends with benefits is not so much harder than having two or three friends. There's no "arrangement" necessarily required. I'm not sure what "plates" means to you...but if it means something like disrespectfully stringing three people along then I guess yeah I can see how that would be tiring and disappointing for everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 12:22 AM
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-wide-wide-world-psychology/201502/the-surprising-psychology-bdsm Christian Joyal and colleagues (2015) asked over 1,500 women and men about their sexual fantasies. 64.6 percent of women and 53.3 percent of men reported fantasies about being dominated sexually—and 46.7 percent of women and 59.6 percent of men reported fantasies about dominating someone sexually. Overall, we can probably conclude that a substantial minority of women and men do fantasize …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 11:26 PM
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However far a man may be from that goal, he certainly isn't going to get there being timid, passive or feminine. Honestly I think this means you've not actually lived a lifestyle where threesomes are normal. Most people who have regular threesomes regularly reject traditional values and gender roles (obviously, because those values keep "don't have threesomes" as a sort of fundamental tenant) and way more than average are actively gender conforming. Serious men don’t have fantasies, they have go…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 11:11 PM
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Intellectually or just implicitly in your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:01 PM
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I think that's because most of my sexual experiences were positive. If I had had more negative sexual experiences it might have confirmed my previous view. I've had sex with almost 30 people now and I regret only one, and only that one ever tried to do anything abusive to me. Whereas I bet most heterosexual women have a lot more negative experiences, with abusive behavior being way more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 12:19 AM
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If they were good people, then it would not matter if you could control attraction or not. The idea of forcing another human being to do something like that would be repugnant regardless of whether they could choose otherwise or not. Think of how everyone justified slavery. The slave owners believe it is fine because it is better for them. That's it. That is how you can understand the viewpoints you are seeing here. It is accomplished by dehumanization and commodification of other people. It is …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 12:14 AM
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You're trying to understand an amoral mentality by modeling it as what good people might believe if only they were a little confused. That's not an accurate way to think about this. These aren't good people that respect all beings deep down but are just a bit confused, they are people who are out to get what's best from them and they don't care who is hurt or coerced along the way. I’ve even seen many guys (basically) say that women should be forced to be with guys they clearly aren’t attracted …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 11:54 PM
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i believed this aaaall the way to 19 haha
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 11:07 PM
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If this is the same girl who you kept buying dinner for six months ago, I think it would do you good to move on from this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:33 PM
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Temperatures don't matter, what matters is wild game and edible plants. Almost every continent has been stripped clean of those except places like Tanzania where the hadza live, or the Amazon where various people live, or northern Alaska and Canada where the intuit live. Some of those cultures are more egalitarian and with freer mate choice than western culture, and others are not, and it can largely be predicted by subsistence patterns. Note that many of these places are quite cold. In the mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:12 PM
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It is relevant though. Because your zoo analogy implies that feral humans would necessarily be a certain way, when actually the relevant factor is not wild/domestic but rather scarcity (patriarchal, slavery) vs abundance (egalitarian, freedom). The eastern Europeans are just "domesticated" under greater scarcity than western Europeans, that's all. In reality the wild humans would naturally conform to the conditions of the wild environment, not be a fixed type as you propose.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:12 PM
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if you dropped 100 babies on an island with no outside influences, the results would probably be red and rigid gender roles would likely form within the first generation. I think if you dropped 100 babies on an island they would just die immediately. But if they somehow managed to survive and over generations grow into something more than apes, then the gender roles would depend on how nice the island is. If the island is a lush paradise they will be egalitarian, equal, free. They would also ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 08:19 PM
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Oh, also it's worth noting that I was never religious. I grew up without religion and philosophically "ruled out" religion as something that could plausibly be true (so became an atheist I guess) when I was around 15. These beliefs were secular implicit cultural norms of upper middle class india, that i grew up with. The relevant religions don't emphasize chastity to the extent that Christianity does. A lot of people here are atheists too yet they still have beliefs that run along those lines (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:57 PM
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Well my second time sex also took a lot of build up and flirtation, a couple weeks at least. By the second time I had sex, which was several years later, I no longer believed in monogamy and was quite convinced that promiscuity was a perfectly fine and perhaps even wise choice. However I still thought that I personally would not enjoy sex unless there was emotional intimacy. It wasn't until after the second time/before the third time that I had sex that I realized I actually liked casual sex and…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:54 PM
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I'm not a woman, but I used to be someone who would not have sex until I knew someone really well. It was not three months, but a year and a half before I slept with my first girlfriend. I turned her down at first and I also rejected multiple other offers of casual sex during this time on the grounds that "I'm not ready". It was only after a fair amount of trust had been built that I became ready to give it a try. I did this not because I did not like sex, but because I believed that sex was a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:31 PM
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I think her choice works if she's really, really confident that her husband will never turn on her or exploit that power dynamic for his gain over her loss. This is not the case for the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:24 PM
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none of the arguments apply to anyone or anywhere because the arguments are wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:20 PM
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I think you should define the terms more clearly. What exactly is the "relationship guy?" and the "sex guy" in concrete terms? Is the "sex guy" excluded from relationships, is the "relationship guy" excluded from sex? I ideally want both sex and relationships, but i don't want to dodge the question. I do like sex outside of relationships...but as for being the "sex guy without relationships" I don't think I would necessarily be motivated to have sex with someone who was so socially incompatible …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:38 PM
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Are you asking whether people would rather have sex outside of a relationship, or a monogamous relationship without sex? I feel like if someone who wants sex in their life is in a monogamous relationship without sex something has clearly gone wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:30 PM
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I would feel uncomfortable paying for sex in the same way that I would feel uncomfortable paying someone to play a game with me. Like other games, a big part of what makes sex fun for me is that we are both having fun. If it turns out that one of us was only there for some other reason such as to get money, to maintain the relationship, or just to make me happy but not actually for themselves, then it doesn't feel good. If I just wanted the physical sensation then masturbation is great. I find g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:09 PM
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Oh cool! This seems at odds with the rest of the literature but it is interesting. I'll read this and come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:11 PM
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There is a giant hole in your narrative, which is that you didn't actually check whether the evolutionary status quo involved no economic dependence. In fact hunter gatherer peoples are not economically dependent on each other or anyone - if you take the time to read about how hunting and gathering works you will see that all adults of reproductive age can more or less provision for themselves and several dependents with little to no help. Also almost all hunter gatheree societies have free mate…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 04:57 PM
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But you should subtract the number of times you'd do those things anyway when you're single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 01:33 AM
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Nothing extra than being single I think?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 01:30 AM
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Having a partner who is with you because they have no other path to provisions and protection is worse than being alone. Nobody who has that is better off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:56 PM
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People actually think that buying a partner in slavery-lite style is going to fill the loneliness in their heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:51 PM
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It is disappointing that some people have the perspective that being spared from having to give up basic liberties for provisions and protection is a bad thing. I used to wonder who the people were that supported nazis and slavery and all that. I thought maybe they were just following orders or were conditioned to think it was normal, maybe they just didn't understand it or fully reason through the implications. Interacting with you guys showed me that at least some of them knew exactly what the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:38 PM
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I think online is a bit easier actually, you just open your computer and swipe when you're waiting for the bus or whatever and then you're done. No schlepping your butt across town to go to a party. Going to parties getting fucked up and drunkenly hooking up with chicks who are as fucked up as you . I don't feel very comfortable with drunk sex unless it is with someone who I already know and whose intentions I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:30 PM
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I don't think "creepy" is a very well defined category.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:26 PM
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I probably wouldn't have strong feelings either way. I don't oppose it in principle I also doubt that it would be particularly more appealing or enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:21 PM
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Never, also what the fuck who does that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:17 PM
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Social conditioning to look down upon younger people. There's no way biology can tell the difference between 26 and 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 10:49 PM
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Well you see, other people's personal experiences are worse than useless, but mine is perfectly valid /s I'd say that in the absence of data I consider the personal experience of people who seem like reliable narrators (so obviously no one here haha).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 08:57 PM
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Biology. It is largely irrelevant, but the optimal look for both genders would probably be smart casual. Jeans and a nice shirt. You get the occasional people wearing sweatpants and people wearing suits though. People often dress up a bit more when interacting with students than they would in the lab.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 08:47 PM
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can we all agree that this strategy is ubiquitous, not only for “low value men,” The song called "heartless". Not a quality one looks for in a mate. You're using a solipsistic definition of value which doesn't acknowledge the interests of the person making the assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 01:18 PM
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Most societies show assortive mating for height, so, possibly. However, this pattern holds up even in societies with arranged marriages, so attraction may not be the full story. While I agree that anecdotally the women I know seem to express height preferences more than the men I know, studies have shown that many men do in fact have preferences in this regard and prefer women to be shorter than them. This beauty standard is not fully universal. Egalitarian hunter gatherer populations, such as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 12:54 PM
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I don't see how linking a third, unrelated viewpoint addresses anything OP said. OP didn't say a word about societal norms or gender critical. This is just inserting a third point in order to muddy the intellectual clarity and confuse the issue. Furthermore feminist incel and female separatist communities such as gender critical aren't the ideological opposite of male incel communities like trp, they're complementary ideologies which grew from the same branch of ideas. So clubbing them with OP i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 12:36 PM
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most women want out of their gender role, yet want men to continue their gender role. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 03:58 AM
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How is it not addressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 08:38 PM
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Gender roles are definity on the decline. I think it's good. Obviously men would be more likepy to want to continue their gender role, same way brahmins would be more likely to want the caste system and white people would be more likely to want slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 07:52 PM
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I think it depends on the relationship and what it means for "shit to hit the fan". A lot of the stereotypical "shit hitting the fan" problems are ones that cater to men's skillsets. I have definitely had some relationships where e.g. we are lost and the car breaks down, the toilet is horribly overflowing, etc then my gf would be the one to fix it because she was better at that sort of thing than me. Whereas in many other relationships I've been better equipped to figure that type of thing out (…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 07:45 PM
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To me the utility of abundance / options is not about avoiding closeness / vulnerability with the person you are interested, but to simply know you are not solely dependent on them for sex. I think that's perfectly fine if you're polyamorous, but I take it you aren't, because in the OP you expressed fears that your girlfriend might be fucking other men. Since you don't want your girlfriend to fuck other men, you're asking her to be solely dependent on you for sex. Now, yes - there are some peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 07:04 PM
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In what sort of fantasy life is that a person's only woe?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 06:37 PM
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Ohhh yes they do
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 06:35 PM
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You’re right about the resilience, which is one of those things I do believe TRP is correct in. Abundance is the best path to not being needy / paranoid. I might misunderstand the TRP claim (I don't really like trp) but an important distinction between what I'm saying and what a lot of people at TRP seem to advocate is that most of them seem to advocate pseudo resilience via disinvesting in the relationship ("spinning plates" or whatever is a form of disinvestment for someone who ultimately want…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 06:15 PM
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You should have sex whenever you want and on your own terms, and date people who share your values, rather than trying to appeal to people who can never be pleased. Help me understand how this would work in your ideal world. Ideally when I go on dates I say when I'm ready to have sex, a relationship or other milestones. The date similarly indicates when they are ready for whatever it is. When we both want to do something (not before that) then we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:53 PM
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She was throwing up. Most people do not go from throwing up to totally horny and ready to go out in two days. The way your emotions are set up makes it very difficult for her to be in a relationship with you because you'll get paranoid at any sign of vulnerability from her. I think acknowledging that you've got some underlying trust issues and that they're going to make having relationships difficult for you is a good first step. Many people never even get that far and continue thinking their mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:43 PM
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Nothing unusual would happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:26 PM
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But All Women Like Dark Triad Stuff; look at these studies! Huh. Is there a collection of these studies posted anywhere? I would be surprised if the effect sizes were large enough to matter but I'd like to see (for preference, not for promiscuity irrespective of genders)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:12 PM
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I only date people who I know, or who approach me online, and don't really hit on strangers, if that's what this means. I don't think this is particularly virtuous or anything, i think I'm a bit too awkward to talk to strangers like that. I'm pretty happy with my ability to meet and interact with people. In the last three months I've been in a relationship with one person, have been supported in some significant way by two people that I also dated (and quite a few more people who I didn't date, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 06:04 PM
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I do not understand why anyone would come to this pack of rabid jackals for actual advice. You should take care of your child and filter for people who think that being a good parent is a positive quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:51 PM
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-blood purists -sorted into slytherin -stupid looking patronuses -can't see thestrals
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 04:28 PM
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Because you started the post with "leave the house" and "speak to someone" so I assumed the bar was on the floor
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 06:19 PM
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How come?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 06:12 PM
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Leaving the house. Relevant Talking to a woman. Relevant Being able to tease a woman in a non autistic way. Irrelevant Generally living a non autistic life. Irrelevant and a pretty offensive thing to say Dressing smartly and being presentable. Does not matter in the slightest Having an interesting life to talk about. Mostly irrelevant unless you're only interested in interesting people
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 06:08 PM
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Men and women are not that different and the more different you think they are the more things slowly go horribly wrong due to the crippling effect this belief has on a person's theory of mind. we instinctively assume the guy has no interest in our personality until proven wrong. And this can happen in the few first seconds of conversation. Case in point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:36 PM
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Grey rock. Text back only the most bland and boring things and gradually increase the space between texts until he forgets who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:31 PM
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All of them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:30 PM
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No I am uncensored and fully open with almost everyone. The only people I would ever put a mask on around are people who hold power over something that involves my interests (for example a boss) or people who interact with people who have such power. So long as a person holds no power over my interests I don't have much of a filter from my mouth to my brain. Friends or partners don't hold that sort of power, so I can be totally open around them. Unless I was going to say something mean, I guess …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:05 PM
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He writes pop culture insight porn and provides the secular center-right with their dose of mystical woo woo to fill the emptiness religion left behind. Not super useful, except as a way to understand how the center right thinks and where their cognitive weak points are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:17 PM
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Anecdotal: It's never mattered to me and I'm doing well. Ad hominem: the people who claim it matters seem to be either not very nice, not very happy, or both. They also have shitty ideologies, and many other false beliefs. Logic: it just seems not very logically compelling Evidence: it's not backed up by any real data. These are my reasons. Additionally I have my own theories of what matters, which do well on all of the above counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:12 PM
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Neither attractiveness nor "trying" matters. It comes down to boring factors like how many people you meet a day and your social bubble. Trying only helps if you actually move in the right direction, which none of the philosophies here will help you with
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:07 PM
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I estimate 6-11% of men are rapists Source https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/04/12/study-repeat-rapists-committing-vast-majority-sexual-crimes Also roughly 950 assaults, or about 46 percent of the incidents, were committed by students who admitted to raping 10 or more times.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:48 PM
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When I say mutually enjoyable, I'm talking about the entire experience, which includes how the person feels about it afterwards. So for example tobacco dealers who use misinformation and kid friendly flavored vapes and market to young people are "taking advantage". They're intentionally doing something that hurts the person in the long run. If someone later regrets ever starting smoking they can correctly they were taken advantage of by the tobacco industry. It's not a mutually bemeficial relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:30 PM
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In response to edit: If someone's friends are claiming you took advantage of someone while the person themselves is saying no you did not, then the person's account takes precedent over the friends' account, unless there's reason to believe that the person is of compromised judgement or if there's some other very clear cut case of manipulative or abusive behavior occurring.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 06:35 PM
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I did not say they were mutually exclusive. If you think that is the case, you should at least try to make sure not to behave in such a way that people you interact with will later regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 06:32 PM
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If she says you took advantage of her and she isn't smiling when she says it, she probably didn't enjoy it. Worrying that someone might use sex as a form of unhealthy coping mechanism after a break up is a valid thing to be concerned about. Although I generally would trust people to make their own decisions on that front, if I saw warning signs that someone was using it as a bad coping mechanism I would indeed back out, and say that it was wrong to perceive the problem yet not to back out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 06:26 PM
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Taking advantage of someone means exploiting their vulnerability or naivete to manipulate or coerce them into something they didn't want in the first place. It's not supposed to be something that happens because you enjoy it and because you want to share that experience with another person. People who are very bothered about the question of whether the other person really enjoys it and wants to share that experience with them are never described as "taking advantage of" them. There may be transa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:45 PM
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yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:35 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong "Not even wrong" describes an argument or explanation that purports to be scientific but is based on invalid reasoning or speculative premises that can neither be proven correct nor falsified and thus cannot be discussed in a rigorous and scientific sense.[1] For a meaningful discussion on whether a certain statement is true or false, the statement must satisfy the criterion of falsifiability, the inherent possibility for the statement to be tested an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:32 PM
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Right? The view that needs to change is the one where they think this is somehow expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:29 PM
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For a man to bang lots of women, it takes skill. I'm not sure I agree with this. Once you break past the very basic "leave the house sometimes, have a social life, make friends with people" barrier what skill does it take other than being available?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:45 AM
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Yes. I've done both versions of this. If you are not jealous and you don't care about society's judgement then it's better. If you are jealous or do care about being judged then it does not work.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:31 AM
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If atheists realized the that Basic Biblical Concepts were true, would they still be atheists?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:22 AM
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The study examined a community sample of 635 Portuguese mothers with a monogamous heterosexual relationship I don't think it is surprising if women in a monogamous relationship who score high on the SOI-R, which includes items like "how many sexual partners did you have in the past year" are going to rate their monogamous relationsihps as unsatisfying. They would literally have to cheat to get a high score on the behavioral subscale. Also even for the non-behavioral scale, while there's nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:10 AM
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I find it interesting that male interest in females dominating is slightly higher than female interest in males So even the straights suffer from top shortage
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 06:29 AM
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Hm, how should the discrepancy between males dominating vs females submitting / males submitting vs females dominating be read? What I mean is, both females dominating and females submitting are higher than their D/s-complementary male role, which shouldn't happen if most people answering are assuming a heterosexual situation. Is that due to for instance queer women ranking both females dominating and females submitting highly? Or something else? I feel like the ecologically valid way to organiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 06:23 AM
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which is all that women really care about anyway. I uh... I don't think that's all women care about haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 02:44 AM
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Wow this is actually quite well done what is such a bright and shiny thing doing in this desolate corner of the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 02:04 AM
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Guessing for some. If we limit the sample to only those who have actually seen me be properly depressed for a week or more, it comes to 2 out of 3. If you consider any amount of curling up into a ball but not for a whole week it comes to 5/6.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 01:46 AM
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They're not rare for me. I would consider that a very low bar. In fact 6 out of the 7 people I have dated long enough to know this about would be supportive if I curled up in a ball and cried for a week. Meanwhile, 1 would lose some degree of respect for me. I think actually the majority of people would be supportive here, maybe ~60% of the population. Of course a week is not very long. Also crying to someone is still a form of bonding and sharing. If I checked out of the relationship entirely f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 06:56 PM
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I have some harsh words for you but I hope you take them in the right spirit. You're having these experiences because you are the kind of guy who gets into fights at clubs. Who shoves your partner in anger. Therefore you are in relationships with those types of people. My partners don't act like this at all. They would respect me even if I curled up into a ball and cried for a week. But my partners wouldn't respect you in that way, if you had pulled any of this shit with any of my partners they …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 10:05 PM
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I think it depends on the degree to which 1) you're a TradCon with TradCon aspirations (e.g. you wanna marry quick rather than date and cohabit for several years, marry rich, and have a very high number of babies, and you want to do this with someone who values traditional gender roles) 2) you live in a society with other TradCons (people have traditional gender roles, are a bit prude, only want one specific family structure) E.g. if you were in a society where marriages were arranged there woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:06 PM
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Disagree, neither hygiene nor fashion matter either way. I'm hygienic of course but I doubt it would matter if I wasn't. I walk around in sweatpants with unkempt hair it literally does not matter to anyone. People wanna be loved by you not out-fashioned by you lol. I'll never have trouble meeting someone because of the sheer number of people I interact with. It's all about the number of eligible people you encounter per day and a few behavioral tics. Almost no other factor matters at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:54 PM
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Oh finally someone with citations <3 checks the replies Useless comments with no citations or attempts towards evidence at all. I appreciate you /u/helleniclady
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:42 PM
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I'm sorry about your breakup. But it would suck if the lessons you took from this is that you can't talk about your feelings to anyone. She told me she wanted me to express my feelings more. So i started to tell her when i felt upset, or angry, or depressed. To explain to her when i was feeling sad. I'd tell her when i had a really long day. I told her about when i would cry in the shower. She told me she wanted to express my affection for her more. I started telling her about how much i missed …
/r/TheRedPill06/01/20 02:16 PM
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I think you're wrong about what men and women want but sure. I think I have "unlimited access to unlimited sexuality" right now, and I'm being good by secular moral standards. You can have as much sex as you want with consenting adults, there's nothing wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:57 PM
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If I'm acting differently than I would act if surrounded by people I trust perfectly to understand me and also to have my interests at heart, then I'm to some degree putting on a mask and not being myself. "Not being yourself" = fear, social anxiety, manipulation, anything where you put on a false face to deal with people who either won't understand your true face or to manipulate people who don't have your best interests at heart. Being myself = loved, trusting, not afraid, not inhibited. "Just…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:47 PM
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I've dated people with and without diagnosed issues, My conclusion is that diagnoses don't mean much, look towards actions. If a mental health issue or addiction impairs functionality you will find out fast. But I don't base that judgement off a diagnosis, i base that off behavior. Some people tell you about their issues. Others have no awareness of their issues. It does not matter either way what people tell you beforehand, it matters what people do. When I was younger, dating someone with impa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 02:12 AM
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Is anything discussed here even relevant to young people? god i hope not
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:29 AM
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better off by what metric?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:26 AM
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It depends on how they are prejudiced. If they are a lot of other prejudiced people who are similar to them (especially if they are united by a religion or culture) then they tend to just pair up within their own communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:23 AM
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They do anything for male attention and constantly prove that theyre not like other girls by shitting on her entire gender I wouldn't want that. A Pick Me girl or a Pickmesha is the gender flipped version of a white knight. I have heard people call others "white nights" just for being basic decent behavior. If the people who use the "pick me" concept apply it to both fawning and normal decent behavior, then I'm not sure what to say with respect to my preferences. That said, I wouldn't want someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:16 AM
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Does that mean that if we haven't paired up we're the baddies?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:06 AM
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On a scale of -5 you get murdered to +5 you find the love of your life, I'd say that for women, if dating men is like -5 to +5 then dating women is like -3 to +5. That is to say, the absolute worst men are hazardous to be around, in a way that the absolute worst women are not, but if we are talking about roughly normal people then it is about the same. (Source: have watched bisexual polyamorous girlfriends date various people.)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:00 AM
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If PPF and TRP were people, they would definitely be those exes whose break up was so explosive and whose relationship was so toxic that they're both deeply traumatized and see an echo of their ex in all other relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 12:53 AM
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A Simpler Explanation Many people don't like their exes, and tend to think their exes were jerks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 12:45 AM
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your gender, age, 28m how attractive you are I think 8/10 to non racists (target demo, anyway), but 4/10 to average americans. what you're looking for in general (ONS/STR/LTR). all of the above minimum requirements you have and tier 1 - polyamorous, sex positive, egalitarian tier 2 - nice person, emotionally adept, loving, clever, disciplined, etc how do you filter for them? tier 1 filters by self report, tier 2 filters by getting to know them and finding out. When dating what is your exact stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 11:55 PM
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Check what it currently is and the trendline over time, it is already pretty close to parity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 10:53 PM
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I think it's easier for me to have casual sex with women than it is for women to have casual sex with men. I have a lot more good options to choose from than most women (and even compared to most women i date, who are a more privileged demographic of people than "women" as a whole), i can anticipate that most of my experiences will be positive, and I don't have to worry much about being harmed or treated poorly. If my goal were to have people leering at me, saying "hi" and nothing else in my inb…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 10:23 PM
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They may not be trad cons but they definitely haven't mastered left handed approaches to the world at all
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 10:20 PM
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Kpop is "Korean pop", and includes an entire genre of boy bands, not an isolated incident of rising talent. even then, I’d much rather be hot to girls, then perceived cute in the way teenage Justin/one direction/kpop boys are perceived in But that's a statement about you and your feelings of gender identity, not the statement about society you were making above.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 06:03 PM
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The interesting thing about this data is that there is no way one year older or younger would make any difference as far as biological parameters go, and yet the stark difference between "same year" and 2 years older. If this was driven by something other than a conscious human awareness of birth year, you would expect a natural looking bell curve, not a curve with a median at zero but chopped off on one side
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 03:18 AM
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Blue: be yourself, respect women and you will be rewarded. What do you call it if you think you should respect everyone because it's intrinsically good? (And do not believe that there are any further extrinsic rewards associated with it)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 03:11 AM
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That's circular, they're millionaires by selling their attractiveness. You can't say it doesn't count when someone is attractive because they are rich if they got rich by being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 03:01 AM
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“5% is 1 in 20, that's not bad odds at all.” She's currently actively chatting and considering ONE single guy on tinder. How many guys is she supposed to consider at a time, honestly? If she was considering lots of guys then it would be "oh no she's got so many guys how can anyone compete". Then if she considers just one guy it'll be "the chances are so low". If all observations can be explained by the same hypothesis then what good is the hypothesis?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 01:53 AM
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I'm a bisexual but I do generally lean towards more feminine woman, and I fall within perhaps average for men regarding "masculinity" as far as my physical features, dress, and behavior goes. I can say with total confidence that if I became trans tomorrow and were to put on a dress and makeup, or go totally androgynous, it would be the same, I could still acquire any partner I wanted. It would be a different set of people, but more or less the full spectrum of options would be available to me. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 12:35 AM
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Specifically pleasure in the things that turn men on but turn real life women off? Actually I would say a lot of real life women like more or less the things that are seen in porn, to a similar extent that men do. If you read erotica (which is primarily driven by women) you'll see a lot of the same stuff depicted. Or check out /r/chickflixxx a lot of women are into very similar stuff. Although I hesitate to say that here in a place like this where a lot of the readers have harmful ideologies and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 08:35 AM
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You get to the point of choking someone without first getting to the point of having the sort of explicit conversation that involves giving and receiving feedback? D:
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 08:28 AM
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In America. Being gay will stop being controversial among any American younger than 30, polyamory will begin to become increasingly a word that people recognize but it will remain controversial, the rate of women in STEM will approach fairly close to parity. Basic income will increasingly enter the public discourse. There will be a strong backlash against nationalism. Political division along urban/rural lines will increase. the The opioid epidemic will worsen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 08:18 AM
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And which values do you want the woman you have an LTR with to share?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 08:18 PM
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You'll "take" one? Or you actually want one? Being willing to tolerate something is different than wanting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 07:16 PM
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But you don't seem to actually want an LTR, so it's a moot point isn't it? Why ask people to convince you to do something that you don't want?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 06:56 PM
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I think you just misunderstand OP's argument. She's claiming that most men in the world are happily married and having sex lives that they are satisfied with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 06:51 PM
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I'm promiscuous and my libido is almost always strong. I've been in 5 year long relationships with zero drop in libido. In addition to having lots of partners I also masturbate a lot, with and without porn, and have not have had any issues whatsoever (I think nofap is complete pseudoscience) But there was one time when I would have fit your description. My libido went lower within a relationship after about 4 months of dating or so. It was because my partner during a bout of depression kept losi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 06:29 PM
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Was tinder never not a waste of time? OKC came first and has always been better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 12:47 AM
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I dunno, we're speaking in super general terms here so it's not clear what example you are thinking of. I'm not sure there's a correct playbook for the types of reactions people are allowed to justifiably have when you enforce a boundary. I can think of plenty of cases where someone might feel like a victim in the situation, for example if they went into the relationship with certain expectations or promises and then the boundary cut those expectations off. There's definitely some forms of react…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 12:43 AM
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Agree that they'll probably only be upset if it affects them somehow, but they have every right to be sad or angry as long as they don't try to force you out of it. You can't control their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 12:21 AM
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Oh yeah, being in a healthy relationship is a lot more complicated and requires a fair bit of competence in a variety of domains. However, what matters there is stuff like "love" and "healthy boundaries" and "communication". Which is notably also not the sort of stuff discussed on this sub reddit. I will grant that one sort of useful topic that sometimes gets discussed is picking and choosing the right person in the first place but all the advice on here and TRP and FDS and all of those types of…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 07:21 PM
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While you should avoid saying off-putting or creepy things because making people uncomfortable is morally bad... the answer is no - I don't think makes that much of a difference as far as the initial meeting and dating stage goes if you are creepy. Although if you're creepy you will filter for the types of people who don't perceive creepiness as creepy, so the resulting relationships might be a bit difficult since neither of you know what you're doing. Talking...well that does help, especially i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 07:13 PM
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Well not really. Because only mental illnesses which prevent meeting people have this effect. Disorders like ADHD, OCD, bipolar, bpd, sociopathy, narcissism, etc are not going to make much of a difference as long as you are still out and about in the world (e.g look at all the people in prison with people chasing them) , whereas something like schizoid or social anxiety or agoraphobia is going to make a huge difference. (I'm assuming you're talking about "celibacy" here, not the absence of healt…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 07:01 PM
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Unironically though, 99% of y'alls relationship issues is because straight culture is too headache. You don't need to actually be gay to take the rainbow pill, you just need to stop being such a flaming cishet about it. (Although tbh most of you also are the headache-y part so...I guess you deserve each other? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 06:54 PM
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You're boh vastly overestimating the effectiveness of the mental health care system, and also overgeneralizing about the effect of mental health issues. Mental illness only matters if it makes you not meet people. Physical illness can do that too. If you still run into people regularly mental illness doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 06:45 PM
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Except the attractiveness of the people you attract is intrinsically linked to how attractive you are. Except it's not, really. Yes it makes a difference, but that pales in comparison to the "total number of people you meet" factor. Whereas an unattractive person might appeal to 1 in 20 people instead of 1 in 10, if you meet 60 or so eligible people a year this washes out into irrelevance (in that the limiting factor will very quickly be your time rather than your options). And in practical real…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 03:27 PM
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This thread will get few comments and fade into obscurity, not balloon into a social movement
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 03:20 PM
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