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DiscussionHugMuffin/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 04:49 PM
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CMVHugMuffin/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 12:12 AM
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Question for RedPillHugMuffin/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 02:00 AM
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Question for BluePillHugMuffin/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 03:51 PM
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Question for Red PillHugMuffin/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:02 PM
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HugMuffin/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 08:26 PM
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Yeah that's odd. According to the National Criminal Victimization Survey, victimization of males has only recently fallen below that of females, and the difference is relatively small.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 05:35 PM
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We are? Nobody told me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 04:42 PM
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How should I know? I haven't been a woman. And neither have you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 09:44 PM
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this post presupposes many things to be true that BPers do not agree with, such as biological determinism (AWALT, or what you call female sexuality), and all the things that come as a result of that you have to establish these contexts before you can use them as facts
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 01:31 PM
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Plenty. Only one's ever asked me out though, and there's only a few I've ever been interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 12:53 PM
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Mind finding a few examples of this? I think you might be referring to more phantom feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/17 07:36 PM
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I'm getting into working out! For real this time. I swear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 06:25 PM
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I can take the dog off your hands if it's that big an issue. aww!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 01:44 PM
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I dunno but I think it's best to jump to a conclusion that supports the beliefs I already have
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 07:14 PM
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Certain elements can. Others can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 10:47 PM
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Well then there's no issue. If it's not hurting anyone, might as well leave them to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 10:44 PM
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1: Higher levels of dread. Purposely making your SO afraid and insecure to get more [insert behavior here] out of her breaks the golden rule. 2: Amused mastery. Condescension is rude. Especially when it's being used to downplay what your SO considers to be a key problem with the relationship. 3: General misogyny. A significant portion of TRP has it in for women, and that hate spreads like a cancer. 4: Concept of "LMR." While it is true that some women will be hesitant at first when things are he…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 07:07 PM
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So what if it is? Having sex with a raw chicken from the grocery store is gross and weird, but not necessarily immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 06:54 PM
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You and I will have to agree to disagree on the effectiveness of the counter arguments. The sources did back my claim, and being self reported does not immediately disqualify the results of a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 03:29 AM
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am not
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 12:56 AM
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First off, it's been proven that men are the more narcissistic gender, so this "inflated sense of self worth" is out. Second, like attracts like. Men and women tend to marry people who are similar to them, in personality, social class, wealth, etc. None of what you're saying is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:21 PM
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No, it's just a regular murder-suicide. Unless you're including the other woman... just remember to ask her if she knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 08:22 PM
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Get rid of this post. Nothing good can come of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 05:28 PM
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How does rational affect that phrase in a way that removes the apparent contradiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 10:11 PM
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Yeah, but they seem to conflict with the whole self interest thing. If you can coerce someone into something you want, or can acquire something through aggression, and get away with it, why not do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 10:04 PM
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I understand that, but some ethics aren't up for debate. Killing my wife for free money for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 09:57 PM
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Will so! If I can get a general consensus on what morality means to RPers, I can hold them to those moral standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 09:56 PM
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Yeah I'm still having trouble separating this objectivism from the dank triad. Everything I find seems to reinforce the idea that it focuses on self-interest above all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 09:54 PM
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Does this mean you view morality as irrelevant, and instead choose whatever benefits you regardless of the costs to others?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 09:53 PM
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Minimizes chaos... so it exists to better society? This seems to be the general consensus so far...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 09:51 PM
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Then what's the use of empathy, if morality is designed to create it? (kinda doubt that btw)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 09:50 PM
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So, because it benefits humanity; creates a better society?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 09:49 PM
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Gotcha I'm off to kill my wife for the life insurance money brb
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 04:30 PM
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I need this common ground to make moral criticisms, which imo is the strongest argument against PUA
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 03:19 PM
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Oh absolutely. Seems like a foregone conclusion to me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 03:18 PM
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We look down on women and who like traditional masculinity? Nobody told me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 02:48 PM
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Fukkin shitty gender roles brunch is the shit I want to do it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 11:49 AM
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I thought again and I still think it's a joke
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 11:45 AM
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The amount of nonsense. It'd take more time than I'd like to spend just to lay it all out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 10:22 PM
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Stop hoping. The guy's an accident waiting to happen. And that's putting it nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 10:02 PM
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fukkin say it out loud you bunch of wimps this guy thinks raping women makes them happier
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:57 PM
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Oh boy another statistics collecting thread in a biased environment with highly unreliable collection methods and a small sample size I can't wait to contribute The people who fail in relationships in my totally true, not at all made up, exaggerated, or affected by confirmation bias opinion is that all those who fail in relationships are red pill followers, and possibly also holocaust deniers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:56 PM
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If that logic worked out, rape claims would be far, far more prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:54 PM
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C'mon. We all know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:53 PM
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:51 PM
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Say it out loud, you coward. "I think being raped makes women happy."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 05:58 PM
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The heck should we know? There's a bunch of factors left out of this description. We're not psychics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 06:11 PM
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Yeah. Wouldn't be here at all if they weren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 06:08 PM
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They would be in the wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 10:15 PM
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Well it's 2017 so no we generally don't hold sex against women Those who do are in the wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 10:03 PM
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What do you mean "at the expense of herself?" Nothing is lost during sex. All women stand to lose is the few remaining men who require virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 09:29 PM
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I think it says nothing considering the number of storylines that don't follow that script.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 09:28 PM
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...I don't mean to be rude, but your evidence for your assertion is literally a fairy tale.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 09:06 PM
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This seems about right. I like this viewpoint. -a femelrist
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 09:01 PM
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Unknown. Haven't done the research.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 05:59 PM
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Correlation being the key word.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 05:52 PM
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Assuming they aren't cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 05:20 PM
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Well, guess I disagree with OP then. I think there are plenty of women who are into casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 05:20 PM
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Correction: You don't want to date someone who has a lot of sex. And again, what's the harm in having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 05:07 PM
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So what if they have sex? Doesn't hurt anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 05:03 PM
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/s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 04:44 PM
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What makes you so sure they want something more?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 03:54 PM
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I wanna try this debate again. This is important. Because all actions should be considered morally. For the collective benefit of the human race, morality is absolutely necessary to ensure cooperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:54 PM
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I don't think that argument could've gone any better
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:45 PM
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Could they be a result of a mental disorder? Maybe. Are they disorders in themselves? Heck no.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:29 PM
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I couldn't find the full paper for free, but I do have multiple concurring interpretations of it which suggest that the beauty status exchange idea is not supported by this research. http://www.technology.org/2014/08/07/beauty-status-exchange-illusion-sociologist-argues/ http://news.nd.edu/news/trophy-wife-stereotype-is-largely-a-myth-new-study-shows/ http://www.datingadvice.com/for-women/dr-elizabeth-mcclintock-how-we-really-select-our-romantic-partners
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 03:18 AM
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Uh... you could find out by reading it...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 02:37 AM
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Well you see this is data supporting a blue pill idea so it must be feminist propaganda
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 12:55 AM
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Women are scared of TRP because they perceive it to be hostile and manipulative. BP wouldn't exist otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 12:53 AM
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wat
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 12:22 AM
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No you're thinking of induced autism
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 02:55 AM
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Well, in mine, the happiness of the collective should take priority over the individual, and that's where empathy/morality come in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 01:01 AM
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You sure? I think morality has changed a lot of human sexual behavior, or at very least affected it from day one. And I fail to see a reason why any pattern of behavior shouldn't be subject to moral criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:54 AM
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Suggesting I'm trying to play God because I'm pushing a moral framework is nonsense. And I think you've misinterpreted my point. I've acknowledged that morality is what humanity makes of it, rather than by the word of God, and have thus suggested a framework that benefits humanity as a whole. My reasoning for this is that cooperation and rules are one of the key components of human evolutionary success.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:47 AM
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Yeah, in order to discuss morals at all we have to agree on some basis for it. Or at very least, acknowledge its necessity. So far, you've shot down my attempts at moral criticism by pointing out how it's difficult to define morality, but common sense (or empathy) tells us that it's generally wrong to do certain things, as it will interfere with the happiness of society in general. This has always been the evolutionary and practical point of morality. To suggest that morality can't be applied to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:45 AM
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We have to agree on some base level of morality otherwise we have nothing we can discuss. "Harmonious," at least in my opinion, means the greatest amount of happiness for the greatest number of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:32 AM
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Saying sexual strategy is amoral is a statement that the sexual and reproductive drive does not care about morality. The sidebar says otherwise. Also, sexual strategy and sexual desire are two different things, and strategy can be morally evaluated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:23 AM
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Mine is
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:19 AM
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wat
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:18 AM
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Morality, by secular definition, is what's supposed to get us to that harmonious society, or at least as close as possible. Therefore, actions that deliberately move us away are immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 11:04 PM
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No worries I can get away with it Should probably get his family too wouldn't want anyone missing him
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 10:16 PM
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No worries I can get away with it Should probably get his family too wouldn't want anyone missing him
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 10:16 PM
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The sidebar seems to think so. And almost all TRP advice is subject to moral consideration. Your second paragraph doesn't address my point. I've argued that amorality is an excuse to justify immorality. Rather than refute that, all you've done is claim amorality again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 10:15 PM
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Brb going to murder the guy who's with the girl I like
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 10:05 PM
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I dunno about mental disease, but I do know a bad experience with one person of a gender doesn't justify hate towards the rest of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 09:41 PM
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There you are! Took three retries before you showed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 09:40 PM
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Not to be rude, but I can't just take your word for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 09:38 PM
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Having a bad experience doesn't excuse misandry or misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 09:11 PM
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Some discrimination may be a result of toxic masculinity, yes, but this isn't the way I'd choose to think about it. I think we should be okay with male homosexuality because it doesn't hurt anybody, and pursuing that lifestyle makes some people happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 09:08 PM
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This "induced" homosexuality is quite a claim. I'd need evidence before I believed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 09:05 PM
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We do?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 06:07 PM
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Dude you need more than one measly example to suggest a pattern of behavior By this logic I can claim all men are like Ted Bundy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 03:21 PM
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Finally it's about time people acknowledged that statistic taking here is pointless
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 02:50 PM
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No matter what the implications of this are, it's only one example. Not enough to establish a pattern of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 11:16 PM
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This should be top comment. One measly example shouldn't be enough to convince anyone of a pattern of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 05:02 PM
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Tell it to the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s.htm#sexualactivity
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 02:44 AM
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The CDC disagrees. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s.htm#sexualactivity
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 02:42 AM
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Isn't that RPs whole thing though? Assuming what people will do?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 02:10 AM
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First of all I'm far from neutral about sexuality. Heh heh. Heh. Second as for what get me going... I can't be sure. I'm sexually attracted to dominant women but romantically attracted to the shy ones who are like me. Wonder who I'll end up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 06:22 PM
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I'm a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 06:16 PM
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What? How? This is the most upfront way to present it. Only a fool would assume that the majority of this statistic is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 11:55 AM
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Because rape is a form of sexual assault, and the studies want to make it clear that rape is being included among the sexual assault statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 10:26 AM
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You sure about that? Cause I've never had any of those ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 12:21 AM
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RP isn't a big enough portion of society (thankfully) to affect suicide rates meaningfully so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here Also a source would be nice on that claim about suicide/depression
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 12:20 AM
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That isn't quite what was said in that post. The idea was that "be yourself, but follow social norms" is perfectly acceptable advice for the majority of the population. The point on "nuance" was not part of the advice, but instead an attack on how TRP interprets the actions/words of women. It's not quite comprehensive, as there are some things you can do to almost objectively be more attractive (lift groom confidence etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 12:12 AM
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Actually I just want all other men killed
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 10:51 PM
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Hey, I made those comments you claim fail to understand nuance! Anyway, thing is, a lot of RPers do see those tactics the way I described. It's a pretty wide range of opinions, and your interpretation, based on my reading of TRP, is not the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 06:18 PM
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If even one person abandons the more harmful RP tactics, the world will be a better place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 06:14 PM
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Not inspiring at all. It suggests that women are forces of nature who shouldn't be held responsible for their actions, and that the man is somehow responsible for the woman cheating. Nothing short of absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 06:12 PM
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All red pill marriages are "settled" and all blue pill marriages are happy sunshine sex explosions every single day. Also, this subreddit is a great place to get unbiased, truthful statistics with large sample sizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 10:10 PM
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add the dwight meme
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 10:02 PM
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Whether TRP works or not is irrelevant, because many of its tactics are immoral. Dread is designed to cause the woman to fear for the relationship, and get her to sex you more. Negging is designed to hurt their self esteem, and convince her that you hitting on her is something she should be grateful for. Amused mastery is designed to cause her to feel like she's not being taken seriously, like a child. Pile on the disrespect for women that TRP tends to produce (or attract?) and that's a recipe f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 07:25 PM
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"Just take my word for it! I don't need proof."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 07:11 PM
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Funny. That's what we think about you. Minus the tough part. You're going to make life worse for other people, not yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 04:34 AM
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Femininity in men is perceived as negative. Doesn't necessarily make it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 10:43 PM
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Society exaggerates gender differences. The biological differences are what got gender roles started off, yes, but the reason countries without feminism don't have as many women in high positions (Rwanda excepted) is because they're still bogged down in those ancient stereotypes. Most men assume leadership because it's what they're on earth for, leading their own lives, finding a woman to bear his children and join his life. Nature doesn't design redundancy much, it designs specialization meant …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 10:40 PM
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Why would I clarify in my flair if I wanted to be identified as a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 10:21 PM
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I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 10:13 PM
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The differences between men and women aren't nearly pronounced enough to suggest that dominance and leadership should be expected of every man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 10:13 PM
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Oh, so it's just what you're attracted to. That's alright. I thought you meant that men as a rule shouldn't show any traditionally feminine qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 06:06 PM
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What makes you think that? I think we shouldn't require any gender specific traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 05:48 PM
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Most of the this post is one of the reasons to practice feminism. The age old gender role of the dominant man, as I think you imply here, is an unfair expectation to place on an entire gender of people. Third wave feminism generally wants to reduce or eliminate gender roles. As for the "hypocrisy" argument, that's just nonsense. Nobody can control what's attractive to them, so hypocrisy is impossible. Attraction isn't a decision. Also, might wanna do some research on the idea that women are more…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 01:33 PM
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Cs major baby. Googling's a required skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 10:29 PM
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Get your dicks out kids, cause I found the full article. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2c44/14cde6b6a011e9f4910e6389d658278e3a7a.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 12:39 PM
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Apparently Dark Souls. Casul.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 06:54 PM
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Wait which acronym is that I forget
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 01:04 AM
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Hm. Other sources also seem to suggest that younger age groups see less of a gap, but I've yet to find another that suggests women surpass men in that area. Implications are interesting... does this mean feminism is doing its job? Does it mean that most of the gap is a result of older women taking care of families? Both? Other things?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 06:54 PM
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No you fuck a;lskfja;lskdjf
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 04:41 PM
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People keep thinking I'm a girl because the sheer masculine power of my username overwhelms them Gotta set 'em straight
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 04:25 PM
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yeah why
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 04:05 PM
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No guaranteed "screening" exists. All you can do is be with them and make judgments of her character based on her words and actions to the best of your ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 03:40 PM
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I think the best solution is to Go Your Own Way, and swear off evil, lying harpies forever! Or maybe assume a person isn't literally hitler until they give you reason to believe otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 03:16 PM
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The problem here isn't him "reading too much into things;" the problem is that this reasoning is just not anchored in reality, and I'm pretty sure you know it. Don't post suggestive questions intended to lead us to conclusions, go for the throat and state your claim outright!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 12:48 PM
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Just say it out loud: this interpretation is bullshit and concocted specifically to fit in with TRP worldview, instead of acknowledging that women don't all want to be raped or dominated by high value men. Talk to anyone who's actually read the book and they'll tell you they liked it because it successfully portrays a dystopian nightmare world where far right extremists have overthrown the government, instated a fundamentalist religious tyranny, and displays its effects on a likable main charact…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 12:43 PM
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Here is the problem: American women are the best informed and most self-determining human beings in the world. To say that they are manipulated into their life choices by forces beyond their control is divorced from reality and demeaning, to boot. Here's the part I take issue with. To suggest that people are immune to the subtle effects of gender socialization is what's truly divorced from reality. One needs only take a look around to see that both men and women are generally influenced by gende…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 10:34 AM
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(2) Be Civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 09:58 AM
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But those are self reports. completely unreliable. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 08:13 PM
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I was thinking forced lobotomies. Or maybe feminism. Whichever costs less.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 02:32 AM
1

It'll differ depending on who you talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 02:02 AM
1

I'm sure they exist. The issue is the interpretation. One girl's smile might mean "come talk to me," while another's may just be polite. I think we'd all be better off if both genders weren't afraid to initiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 01:57 AM
1

Examples pls
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 07:05 PM
2

I don't think that's right. A cursory inspection of the symptoms of low testosterone online doesn't turn up any emotional effects besides depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 05:55 AM
5

If that's the case, why not head down to askfeminists and ask what they think of shaming men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 06:18 PM
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By citing the statistic that men cheat more than women. http://www.statisticbrain.com/infidelity-statistics/ The fact that men cheat more, despite women being choosier in relationships, shows that this logic doesn't hold up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 05:52 PM
4

That's not the feminism I'm a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 04:58 PM
2

Why's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 03:04 PM
2

Lemme answer that question with a question. How many orphanages have you burned down in a moment of rage? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 11:13 PM
1

I didn't know that much straw existed to make a man out of Must be 50 stories
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 11:09 PM
1

If its use can only be immoral, and there's probable cause to believe someone who will see it will take action, then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 02:05 AM
3

I agree. Humanity's greatest talent has always been our ability to cooperate, and without morality, we can't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 02:03 AM
1

Hi Paarthurnax
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 01:56 AM
1

Not if the act, like the one I referred to in the beginning, was immoral in itself. Amorality breeds immorality. A book on mushrooms could be used for moral purposes, and is much more likely to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 01:55 AM
1

The audience of TRP has a significant portion of people who are hostile towards women. This means a par of that group may attempt to use that immoral technique. It'd be like discussing ways to make explosives on a website with a significant jihadist population.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 01:04 AM
1

I don't think that's a good comparison. We're not speaking to an audience of people highly likely to commit that murder, and we're not practiced killers, so odds are we'll get it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 12:54 AM
1

So, in this way, TRP has the potential to give potential abusers the tools to more effectively abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 10:45 PM
1

Bit of a gotcha question for you, then. Let's say a method of hurting a person was discovered that could not be medically proven. Let's also say that hurting a woman in this way would cause her to have sex with you more. Would TRP allow this on their subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 10:42 PM
2

This is so flagrantly and objectively wrong that I struggle to find words to describe it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 02:38 PM
1

You sure about that? It's easier than it looks. Given enough time, and a few tidbits from the dark triad, one can dissolve a significant other's will. Happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 02:54 AM
1

Not for a very, very, very long time. And odds are we'll all just sit there with our virtual waifus without needing anything like "game."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 02:52 AM
1

Is so! Contraception and sexual morality's interaction with religion is totally a feminist concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 02:50 AM
2

Hm. Maybe. But that wouldn't explain the successful people with rape fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 02:39 AM
2

I'm just wondering what rape fantasy has to do with validation when a girl saying "yes" would be a source of the same validation There's no cause effect relationship here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 02:20 AM
1

Hey you never said it had to be topical But I can go harder
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 02:19 AM
2

Couldn't that same validation be received by normal sex though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 02:14 AM
1

you can always just move the goalposts instead of copping out honestly i expected you to ignore my video and find a more hateful one and post that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 01:47 AM
2

What about picking bulbasaur
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 10:13 PM
3

For the crime of having a face/voice you don't like?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 09:18 PM
5

here u go
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 08:52 PM
0

Really miffed at this, huh. The whole thing was just a misunderstanding of a TRP term. Relax.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 05:15 PM
1

I don't think that's right. Women are choosier, yes, but not to a degree where males are screwed from the get-go. You wouldn't believe how easy it is to get into a relationship. I'm the beta cuck on this sub, and I've managed to get dates just by asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 04:42 PM
1

Oh, seeking, rather than actually doing. Alright, good to know. Hm. The whole AF/BB thing seems like a good subject to address next.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 04:40 PM
3

Oh I get rape fantasies alright. Just I'm not the rapist. hehehehehehe
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 03:45 PM
1

Don't forget to add moral as one of those qualifiers for answers
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 03:42 PM
1

Ah, there was a misunderstanding! I don't mean to suggest that women aren't generally attracted to confidence, status, what have you. I wanted to show that, in the context of actual relationships, rather than stated preferences, like tends to attract like, and therefore, the "hypergamous sluts" who'll leave you for a better man at the drop of a hat number few.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 03:30 PM
5

Hey, it's ya boy hugmuffin I think you misunderstood me or something. I wasn't trying to say that hypergamy doesn't exist, because it does. I was saying that it must not affect relationships to the degree that TRP claims it does. To that end, I posted a study that shows that not only are relationships typically composed of similar social status, but also shows that elements within that status (such as wealth, intro/extroversion, etc) were more likely to be similar as well. Like attracts like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 12:15 AM
1

Aw but what fun is that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 08:25 PM
2

But I got so many upvotes for arguing in bad faith I should do this all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 08:13 PM
2

Making a statement. Check out the second link.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 08:09 PM
2

At least the gym stuff is based in science
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 11:58 AM
1

We have an ideology? News to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 11:56 AM
5

It would be gay to just like women uh
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 04:08 AM
2

who said i'd be doing the dominating ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 03:48 AM
5

ey ya know what goes around comes around im sure he must've done something to deserve it also just-world fallacy is a feminist hoax to stifle intellectualism
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 03:47 AM
1

No, but I like tall women. Really tall. Mmm...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 03:34 AM
3

It's cause there are no women on the internet (for real tho reddit is primarily men)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 03:33 AM
5

im gunna say that whenever someone brings up a false rape accusation now
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 03:28 AM
2

He
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 03:24 AM
2

You should make a post on these three types if they're good enough to accurately categorize most everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:42 AM
8

I'm a guy ffs what is my username not manly enough for you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:41 AM
2

Nuh uh a single account is more than enough to draw conclusions from god
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:15 AM
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No need I can come to a conclusion based on a single account that's how debating works (In all seriousness, this post and this poster were generally liked by the community, as shown by the upvote count. More would be needed to make a decent argument though)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:14 AM
4

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/6chhar/cmv_most_feminists_at_some_level_do_hate_men/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 12:59 AM
2

Look I love making shit up and presenting it without evidence in a debate subreddit as much as the next guy, but you can't just state a claim and expect people to take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 11:23 PM
1

I disagree. Were hypergamy a big force in the dating pool, women would attempt to date as high as they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:41 PM
3

Feel free to ask yourself if they feel like a significant number of feminists hate men. You'll get the same answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:40 PM
1

Not just similar personalities. Similarity in specific aspects of life, including status and wealth. It has plenty to do with hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:37 PM
6

Yeah that doesn't suggest feminists hate men, it suggests feminists hate MRAs, if you can somehow show that the assumption of trolling was due to him being an MRA and not just having a bad point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:31 PM
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lol your proof is one xojane article meanwhile in real life: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1xc6z6/totally_serious_where_are_all_the_man_haters/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/5zcual/how_should_feminists_dont_hate_men_be_interpreted/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/3p45s6/has_anyone_ever_met_an_actual_kill_all_mentype/ and also this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:13 PM
1

I've always seen the third wave as "you do you, who cares about gender roles?"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 11:35 AM
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No, it would be equally wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 11:31 AM
8

Nonono you see they could also hate black people because of what that one black woman did
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:42 AM
5

Fuckin' Ernie and Bert won't make out already wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:37 AM
5

Let's see... 129 million adult women in the US, 12 million single mothers... around 10%. Edit: Arithmetic is hard
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:33 AM
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Lol One woman made my life miserable therefore all of them are eeevil What if the woman was black? Wouldn't it be equally reasonable (which is to say, not reasonable at all) to assume all black people are scum?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:26 AM
4

So we talking like 1% or less right
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:23 AM
1

Neato
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 10:34 PM
1

You state this as if it's a known fact. Prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 10:23 PM
1

Yes. They're also smarter, nicer, and basically better than men as a whole. I'm getting the estrogen supplements as we speak. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 10:18 PM
5

There's a lot wrong with this post. 1: Assuming a pattern of behavior based on one account 2: Assuming that only "drama queens" are capable of creating an emotional connection 3: Stating that causing emotional conflict is somehow going to help you maintain a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 06:48 PM
3

Why do we need to have our own collective philosophy to criticize another that doesn't make any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 05:47 PM
2

"literally anyone who presents evidence not in support of my views"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 05:35 PM
1

I wouldn't go that far. Social science is still the best source of information we have regarding human patterns of behavior. Just isn't perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 03:02 PM
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Because there are certain objective definitions of feminism that are undeniably true if an individual professes certain beliefs, especially for the first and second wave. Third wave, however, is more variable, and I don't think it's a good idea to label anyone a third waver who doesn't already identify themselves as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 11:59 AM
2

Hm. So, according to the paper, the two main problems affecting social sciences (and possibly academia at large) are the "pay to publish" model of academic journalism, and political/moral motivations of those doing the studies. Irritating. I hate having to be suspicious of every source of information. But I suppose that should always be the case to begin with. Thanks for being one of the few to back up their criticisms of social sciences with actual evidence. This is the first time anyone's made…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 11:51 AM
0

wat
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 12:55 PM
0

I'm not saying TRP doesn't work, cause I've found research suggesting that elements of it do. The question, however, regards their assumptions about women, many of which are nonsense and presented without evidence. Also, my criticism of TRP methodology centers on the morality of it rather than the effectiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 12:54 PM
0

Not at all. TRP truths are generally based entirely on anecdotal evidence, which is anything but convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 12:12 AM
1

Show anyone RP and most often they'll react with disgust. Just look at Reddit's front page whenever RP is brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 12:12 AM
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Yeah but the thing is this one anecdote won't be convincing on its own You've yet to prove that she isn't a statistical outlier Good thing we have dakru tho who did it for you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 12:11 AM
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RP is generally disliked (not necessarily discredited) and it's doing fine
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 02:53 AM
2

I keep hearing anecdotal stories Moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 02:52 AM
2

If that's the case why did you post a single event instead of the statistics? Here's u/dakru with some hot evidence instead of one example: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/6bknnp/woman_may_not_serve_jail_time_for_stabbing_man/dhngzzy/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 02:52 AM
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Sources? pants heavily Edit: This post was intended to be a humorous reaction to an actual source being linked, since it's so rare in PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 02:50 AM
5

Also because freedom of speech/ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 02:49 AM
5

Man even I get out enough to hear people criticizing women and I'm THE beta cuck Calling girls bitches (not individually, but as an entire gender) is the most common
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/17 07:16 PM
5

Good thing I had the second source then, which focuses on behavioral traits that cause narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 08:55 PM
5

A dissertation isn't exactly a reliable source, as it was written by a student. And the article you linked is a scathing criticism of that dissertation...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 08:54 PM
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Well then you'll need to provide evidence of this supermassive conspiracy to feminism-ize all research
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 07:49 PM
8

Is this a troll or no I can't tell
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 07:03 PM
5

Speaking of not reflecting reality, you got a source for that claim? Cause otherwise it's not worth addressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 06:51 PM
4

Manliest man in the subreddit fite me irl
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 06:50 PM
3

I don't understand what you mean here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 05:55 PM
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Which is why it's a good thing I linked the second source which shows that men are higher on two of the three behavoiral traits associated with narcissism and score evenly on the last one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 05:45 PM
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That last bit was unnecessary. As for that idea, however, that's where my second source comes in. Men score higher in two of the three behavioral traits related to narcissism, and for the third, the genders are about the same. This suggests that both NPD and general narcissism are higher in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 12:52 PM
6

Really? What's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 12:03 PM
2

No offense, but a cracked article is such an unreliable source that I can't be bothered to look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 06:11 AM
1

Wat
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 04:05 AM
1

It's a big deal the way being struck by lightning is. Exceedingly unlikely to happen, but if it does, it has the potential to be devastating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 12:05 AM
1

Hey that sounds like every time I post a source about a red pill idea No, seriously. Stonepimple himself once told me that he'd never take the findings of research over his own personal experience. Or was that alreadyredschool...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 07:49 PM
2

wat
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 07:45 PM
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You say that like it's a significant number of feminists. But I'd bet you my firstborn child that if you went over to r/askfeminists and inquired about their attitude towards false accusations, every one of them would tell you that it's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 07:43 PM
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Gotta agree with 5th here. People aren't forces of nature, and should be held responsible for their crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 07:41 PM
4

Man if you keep setting up these straw feminists I'm going to accuse you of rape. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 06:47 PM
2

Confirmation bias is present in us all
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:20 PM
1

Alright I went through those sources. Lemme address them in order. 1: I'm not sure why you linked this. Most studies in this collection seem to support my point. They espouse the idea of gender symmetry between abusers. 2: This says women are mostly the cause of nonreciprocal violence. This means it isn't representative of all abuse, and therefore isn't as useful as the first source, or my source, for representing relationship aggressors. 3: See #2
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 04:32 PM
1

I say it isn't the trend. Without evidence, I now have an equally convincing argument, which is to say not convincing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 04:14 PM
1

Uh... "don't hit people" is their reply to every attempt to ask that question, even when I asked it pretending to be an MRA. It's quite clear that they don't support female abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 01:31 PM
3

Oh yeah. Kinda missed that in the ranting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 01:25 PM
6

Those are hefty claims. Can you back them up?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:41 AM
2

Why would I do that? It's another pleasurable part of life; no reason to deaden it. That would be like getting rid of my taste buds.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:41 AM
1

I disagree. I think, with the invention of the internet, misogynists would've met up and found reasons to be upset regardless of the ammunition available.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:40 AM
1

This isn't an important question to ask. Someone can observe a trend without taking a side. And even if he is, it doesn't really affect the trend itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:39 AM
5

Hm. Got mixed feelings about this article. First off: this doesn't seem healthy. I doubt that this is actual polyamory, cause it looks to me like an attempt to save their sinking marriage. I don't think the man is really okay with this. He just sees no other way to keep his wife. A shame. He'll be unhappy for a long while. But what about polyamorous relationships that were agreed upon from the very beginning? One where the man and the woman are both truly not bothered by the other having other r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:35 AM
5

I can't help but wonder about this when it comes to consensual non-monogamy. How many are legitimately a different way to approach relationships, and how many are doomed attempts to save a sinking ship? This article, to me, seems like one of those ships. But what about those who decided to be polyamorous from the very beginning?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:31 AM
2

Here's reddit's feminists decrying abuse from both genders. https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/3j3ikt/how_can_feminists_say_that_women_are_as_strong_as/ https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/6avowf/do_you_think_women_should_be_allowed_to_hit_men/ https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/2c6qsn/is_it_ever_acceptable_for_a_woman_to_hit_a_man_or/ https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/3ufn03/if_a_girl_hits_a_guy_should_she_expect_to_be_hit/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:19 AM
2

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/6auqtm/article_discussion_have_you_ever_beat_up_a/dhhsjo3/ Stats for every occasion
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 02:48 AM
6

Meanwhile in real life: Despite numerous studies that report the preponderance of domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women, other empirical studies suggest that rates of domestic violence by women and men are equivalent. Essentially, men are nearly always the perpetrators of physical domestic abuse, but women abuse back equally with more mental methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 02:47 AM
1

We don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 02:24 AM
1

You've failed to address my criticism. Acknowledging the reality that the causes of divorce are complicated and not always the result of women not wanting to work to fix the relationship isn't intellectually dishonest: it's just empirical fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 05:07 PM
2

What is fuzzy talk and how is it self serving exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 02:34 PM
3

I was attacking your concept of "recreational divorce."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 03:41 AM
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Suggesting that each and every divorce that wasn't a result of abuse was an example of a woman being lazy and not caring to consider changes to the relationship is utterly, completely, entirely ridiculous. There are any number of circumstances or thought processes that may have lead to it; suggesting that it's always this specific reasoning is ludicrous without some sort of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 03:14 AM
2

My parents were blue pill until my dad found the red pill. The first time he tried it, mom immediately divorce raped him and took everything in court. Also, this biased subreddit is a perfect place to collect from his information.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 01:43 AM
1

Obviously...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:32 PM
4

With a strawman this powerful, I'll be unstoppable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:32 PM
1

Nonsense. Women are more emotional than men, but studies show that it's nowhere near to a degree where it would cause women to exclusively reason with emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:19 PM
0

Also this code wasn't adhered to very often
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:18 PM
1

...shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:09 PM
1

Does not!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 07:20 PM
1

Oh I get it instead of jack it's jill
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 05:06 PM
9

I'm not sure what the expectation is for the adult world, but here in college, we generally recognize that the other is broke and we pay for ourselves. Personally, I like this system, because it means we agreed to go out to hang out, not get free food.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 04:48 PM
12

Rather than going for a gotcha, wouldn't it be easier to show examples and stats that prove discrimination exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 04:01 PM
3

I disagree. Metering ideas out doesn't make them any more correct. Or incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 12:36 AM
2

How come when I ask for a source nobody listens but when you do it's upvotes galore
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 12:31 AM
3

You gotta be fucking kidding me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 12:31 AM
1

So how would one convince their wife that they were willing to leave the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 12:29 AM
2

Huh. That's an interesting perspective. If it's that simple, why do there need to be levels of dread? And why does the sidebar say they involve "social proofs" and whatnot?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 11:38 PM
3

How is that done from a practical perspective Like gimme an example of how that might work
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 11:22 PM
5

The IDGAF attitude. Studies show that a lack of communication is the cause of a significant amount of divorces and breakups.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 11:17 PM
2

How do you think it works
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 11:10 PM
4

Sounds like you made all that up tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 10:43 PM
1

That's actually one of the symptoms of this gender rolling: women are more likely to abandon their job, or work less, to take care of family, as that's what they're expected to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 04:27 PM
1

This effect alone is sufficient to account for all observed differences. Got some evidence for that? I thought society grossly exaggerates biological differences, and this idea is generally accepted by sociologists.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 03:33 PM
1

There's not a man nor woman alive who's immune to the effects of socialization.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 02:58 PM
3

It's never happened to me. Maybe we hang out with different types of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:51 AM
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Good thing they're generally good with agreeableness. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/#!po=17.5325
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 04:03 AM
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Agreeableness from a psychological standpoint is entirely different. Agreeableness is a personality trait manifesting itself in individual behavioral characteristics that are perceived as kind, sympathetic, cooperative, warm and considerate.[1] In contemporary personality psychology, agreeableness is one of the five major dimensions of personality structure, reflecting individual differences in cooperation and social harmony.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 04:00 AM
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Are you sure? That seems more of a Hollywood trope than a thing that actually happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 03:57 AM
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Oh ffs just say it out loud: "I think women ruin their marriages by trying to control aspects of them."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 03:55 AM
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No he isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 03:47 AM
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I agree that women like taller men. But 95% is way too high. You couldn't get 95% to agree to liking pizza.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 08:59 PM
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And I'm guessing if I gave you an actual statistic you'd counter with "oh women can't be trusted to self report" right
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 08:33 PM
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Oh boy not a good sign
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 06:01 PM
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Some things are. But not this subject. You'll notice the difference was actually fairly small, at around 20%. This, I think, was new information for a lot of the people that assumed the worst of women right off the bat.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 04:27 PM
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By accident. Nobody actually knew. Thanks to the power of a five second google search, now we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 04:18 PM
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I hope she's taller than me. By like a foot. Mmm... Not gunna happen but I can dream
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 03:57 PM
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Here's an actual source instead of pulling an answer out of my ass. https://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf Approximately 8.6% (or an estimated 10.3 million) of women in the United States reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get them pregnant when they did not want to, or refused to use a condom, with 4.8% having had an intimate partner who tried to get them pregnant when they did not want to, and 6.7% having had an intimate partner who refused to wear …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 03:38 PM
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Only the stuff about how to get fit. It's the only science they'll ever use.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 12:16 AM
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No. Next leading question, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 12:12 AM
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It means the truth might be simple or complex. What matter is not the simplicity of the answer, but instead how based in fact it is
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 12:10 AM
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And that in no way implies I believe in a system of heroes and villains
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 10:54 PM
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And incorrect at times too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:29 PM
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No offense but how the hell did you get that from what I wrote
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:27 PM
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Is so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:26 PM
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Regaining her interest? Doesn't dread rely on interest that's already there? The way I understand it, dread is making your s/o feel afraid you're going to leave, and this fear would cause her to do things for you that she normally wouldn't. If she weren't interested, she wouldn't care. The gist of it is that you're attempting to hurt your s/o to elicit some sort of behavior, purely for yourself. It doesn't strengthen the relationship, but instead draws on that strength to make her do things for …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 11:09 PM
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Who cares? Calling someone's thinking "black and white" isn't an actual rebuttal anyway. Sometimes the best answer is the simplest one. Sometimes it isn't. Whether it's "black and white" or not has no impact on whether or not it's correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 11:01 PM
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This was a complete and total rebuttal that entirely defeats OPs claim. That is; until better evidence is provided.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 10:57 PM
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We do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 10:53 PM
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Pls support those claims with something other than personal experience
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 07:22 PM
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Yes, most women will be sexually attracted to Chad. However, romantic attraction is another thing entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 07:21 PM
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TBH? Hell if I know. I'd claim to be into the introverted, dry humor types (like me), but I can't guarantee that that's who I'd marry. Can't know for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 05:23 PM
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Or maybe he has a conscience
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 03:21 AM
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sigh
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 02:57 AM
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everybody sucks at posting except 4 me sources 5 lyfe babyy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 02:24 AM
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I share that opinion about dread but I only upvote what I think are good arguments As for what we dislike about dread: we see it as purposely inflicting pain on your s/o to get what you want out of her by creating an air of uncertainty and fear: or dread.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 02:23 AM
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i knew it yay
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 02:16 AM
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That's funny I thought it sounded like redpill Making claims based on personal experience and reasoning based on those weak claims I'm kind of disappointed in the people who upvoted this it's terrible
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 02:13 AM
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i dont mean it im just having fun not having to debate reasonably
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 02:04 AM
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Tbh I think Trump cares a lot about the crowd Why keep bringing up the election otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 11:34 PM
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Nuh uh stereotypes are totally viable reasoning on their own
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 11:31 PM
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Credit where it's due yall certainly did It's kind of like that moment in Black Mirror when that lady just goes ham at that wedding
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 10:32 PM
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I'd be fine with it? RPers have different definitions of what AWALT means.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 03:24 PM
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We think most of them do. Most being the key word.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 02:29 PM
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Then fuck if I know The number of sociological factors involved in making that change would be incredible. Nobody here could make a remotely accurate prediction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 02:25 PM
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Scarcity isn't the problem today; distribution is. We could easily feed the world tomorrow if we all agreed to distribute the resources differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 02:17 PM
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Jesus Christ man this subreddit isn't that big a thing for me I just forgot Gimme a break
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 07:03 PM
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Huh. Credit where it's due: these are contradictory opinions that TRP has upvoted. Maybe it's not as bad as this one thread I found. As for the thread though: the imperative excuse is one of two dismissal techniques used. He's also called contradictory conclusions "hamstering" (a non-argument imo), and claimed the rest were fabricated to appease the Feminist Imperative. Feel free to read through the thread if you like; it'll confirm what I've said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 02:48 PM
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sigh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 02:08 PM
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"I'm waiting" Aren't you supposed to be an amused master or something
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 01:57 AM
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Those weren't challenges; they were dismissals. A challenge might've actually referenced the methodology. And since all evidence in support of TRP was accepted, I can only assume what I said in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 12:08 AM
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I see nothing wrong with this promiscuity if the woman isn't in a monogamous relationship, but I'm starting to wonder how this relates to the original topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 12:01 AM
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When I said a hell of an argument, I meant it. This subject, the subject of which gender has it worse, is a huge topic covering almost all issues faced by humanity. It's so big that I don't even have an opinion on it. All I know is that male/female lives are different. To convince one of us, or me, you'll need a dissertation level analysis. That's why I don't bother to discuss it here: it's too damn big.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:58 PM
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Wikipedia definition of slut shaming: In human sexuality, slut-shaming is a form of social stigma applied to people, especially women and girls, who are perceived to violate traditional expectations for sexual behaviors. Some examples of circumstances wherein women are "slut-shamed" include violating dress code policies by dressing in perceived sexually provocative ways, requesting access to birth control, having premarital, casual, or promiscuous sex, engaging in prostitution, or when being vic…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:56 PM
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Somehow that doesn't seem like an exhaustive list to me. There are many more potential issues one might face. This is nothing in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:53 PM
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But how do they know which slit is being shamed (lel) Anyway slut shaming is related to having a lot of sexual partners, regardless of their looks. Nothing to do with wanting traditional men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:50 PM
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Oi can we stop using autism as an insult I like to think I'm pretty clever
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:41 PM
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We claim otherwise? The data looks pretty clear to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:40 PM
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... Yeah BPers don't agree to the premise that women have it easy in life and it'd take a hell of an argument to convince any of us Provide support for that claim or I'm going to ignore it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:37 PM
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Didja have to include the personal attacks I might have upvoted this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:36 PM
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I'm unaware of social structures that discourage women from dating traditionally manly men...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:27 PM
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Anyway I'm glad that you at least are able to acknowledge this. Are you sure you're really blue pill? Denying universal male privilege is among the worst kinds of misogyny. Bit of a strawman there. Also, there's a difference between a circlejerk and straight-up denial of contradicting facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:27 PM
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Because those changes may not be significant enough to affect actual choices women make.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:24 PM
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Data trends in the direction of women wanting more dominant men during ovulation. Not hypergamy, but attraction to traditional "manliness." The data suggests that it may happen, but the author is saying no actual evidence of this has been found. Perhaps the changes in desire due to ovulation aren't significant enough to affect actual dating choices. Perhaps it does, and more research should be done to confirm. From the actual study: There are, of course, critics of this line of research, who bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:18 PM
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That's a fact, but I'm not certain that it was removed because we thought it was wrong, but rather that it wasn't part of the circlejerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:14 PM
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I like to deny science as much as the next guy but you gotta base your understanding of the world on more than just personal experience
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:10 PM
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Hypergamy isn't mentioned by the study or the OP... which evidence are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:09 PM
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I disagree with you on that, but I'm from TBP, so my say-so isn't reliable. We all think we're data driven and rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:07 PM
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Unfortunately, no sources exist that can confirm this in TRP. But the upvote count on that thread, compared to the upvote count of posts on the front page, speaks for itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:03 PM
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It wasn't the article I was addressing here; it was the OP's response to it. Give it a read. Look how he instantly dismisses any information that contradicts TRP ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 11:00 PM
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I don't agree to that. Mind providing support for that claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 08:54 PM
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"If you don't subscribe to TRP ideology then you're an autist lol"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 07:39 PM
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Not a fan of the terminology there
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:50 PM
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Not any more ever since I learned that the Feminist Imperative Illuminati has corrupted all social sciences and TRP field reports are all that can be trusted
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 03:49 PM
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lol fkn beta fagbro lelel do u evn lift /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 02:23 PM
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Women are only to be trusted when verifying my viewpoints and should be disregarded otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 12:52 PM
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Pizza is its own reward amirite
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 12:50 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/controversial/ You can see incel posts at the very top. Look how not deleted they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 10:32 PM
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In my experience posts that go against the circlejerk are left alone but downvoted
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 10:29 PM
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Remember that one guy who posted about antlers who got his thread deleted Even the slightest whiff of beta or dissent and the mods go haywire there At least in TBP we leave those threads up (but we do downvote them to hell so it's basically still a circlejerk)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:47 PM
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(They weren't hateful or anything just not progressive enough; it's more like ignorance)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:38 PM
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tfw ur family are standard issue christian conservatives and u still into all dis cuck shit
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:33 PM
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Nuh uh TRP is a heavily moderated safe space
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:05 PM
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Nuh uh! Typically men are the ones who don't back it up!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:11 PM
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He literally provided peer reviewed evidence what else do you want
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:04 PM
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Link isnt working
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:01 PM
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Gunna have to disagree with you on the DT thing. I think DT is the perfect description of TRP: it's even in the sidebar. As far as your criticism of the source, I'm not sure I understand. Why isn't the source proof of OPs assertions?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 04:59 PM
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And vise versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:02 PM
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This is a much better version of that thread. It has sources! I'm getting hard just looking at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:52 PM
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Men and women both have certain advantages in modern society. I see it as a system of pros and cons. However, this comes from a man's perspective, so I may not be 100% educated on women's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:49 PM
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Speak for yourself buddy I've got plenty of female friends I don't want to have sex with
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:47 PM
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What? Why? The tension is high enough as is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 02:22 AM
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Studies to prove facts and then reasoning/logic based on those established facts That's how debate has worked since day one
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:57 PM
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Not my favorite method of debate tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:40 PM
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What the heck is this post
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:48 PM
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Believe what you want. I've got finals. Not enough time to post an extended argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 01:42 AM
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Copypaste them if you need to. I got stuff to do, so I can't get into that argument rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 09:40 PM
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Sorry man but I gotta make this a separate thread. I want everyone to see it, and respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 09:15 PM
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I say that number does support our position. But explaining would take quite awhile... so I'll make another thread sometime. This was just to clear any confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 08:41 PM
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Later. Gotta set up the definition first.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 08:39 PM
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I would argue this as being misinformed rather than deliberate malice from the omnipresent entity that is feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 08:38 PM
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I'm sure there's a fair number who are misinformed, but I like to believe the feminists here are aware. We debate this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 07:32 PM
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This seems like a good place to start. Wish we had a resident developmental psychologist to help out though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 07:29 PM
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its cus u arent rping hard enuff hav more lifts do more groom
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 01:54 AM
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Here's an article I found describing how humans are wired for connection, and need to have it. http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/we-are-hard-wired-to-be-social-248746
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 09:45 PM
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Well, of course the same can be said for every post made here. Almost all of them are terrible. Even the mods admitted it (post quality megathread). It's like I'm the only one here who recognizes what's being debated and provides sources to back his claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 08:26 PM
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... Yeah, since it's not in a debate subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 08:25 PM
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They're only useful if the basis the reasoning rests on is factually correct. Take mathematics for example. If we take the factually correct statements 1+1=2, and 3=1+1+1, we can assume based on those that 1+2=3. If we take the factually incorrect statement 1+1=3, and the factually correct statement 4=1+1+1+1, we would assume that 4=1+1+3. This would be incorrect. So, the lesson here is that the base facts that reason and logic are based on must be proven, or we'll come to incorrect conclusions …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:48 PM
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My logic is that this entire post rests on unproven claims. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim, so until those claims are supported, we can dismiss this post in its entirety.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:42 PM
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My logic is that his entire post rests on unproven claims. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim, so until those claims are supported, we can dismiss this post in its entirety.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:41 PM
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...who cares? Age of consent laws aren't based on fertility, they're based on whether or not we think someone is mature enough to consent to something like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:34 PM
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That namesnipe tho
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:32 PM
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Motivation and personal experience. 1: Companies producing the food have a motivation to not poison me, as they can be sued as a result. This means it's highly likely that they won't poison the stuff. 2: Personal experience. The people I've met and lived with are rarely poisoned by food products, and I've yet to be either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:29 PM
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Well this is where you and I differ, as I believe the odds of being wrong about this assumption about reddit demographics, based on this information, are too high to be reliable and to form conclusions from.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:59 PM
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It would be unfounded and stupid but I could have it I prefer to be informed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:51 PM
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Neat I guess I can instantly assume all RPers are neckbearded virgins now since I don't need experience nor data to form an opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:48 PM
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No, I form basic opinions off of life experience too. Not enough time in the day to research everything. But when it comes to stuff like this; stuff where I have no personal experience nor data to base an opinion off of, the only reasonable conclusion is that I don't know. I have a question for you too: do you assume redditors look like this? If so, what are you basing that on?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:47 PM
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Why would I form an opinion based on data that doesn't exist or isn't enough to be representative That's like assuming all aliens will look like little green men when we find them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:42 PM
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That which is presented without evidence should be dismissed without evidence. Unsupported claims listed below: A boy that's treated like a girl growing up, allowed to be feminine, while not being pushed to have his masculinity developed, ends up not being able to well figure himself out, what he likes, or is capable of. Non-competitive, fearful, sensitive, or soft men are manifestations of this. A girl that's treated like a boy growing up, pushed to be masculine and is allowed to have their fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:40 PM
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How the heck should we know it's not like anybody's taken a survey
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:33 PM
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You know, if you think about it, if feminists truly wanted equality, they'd consent to everyone, since women are at such an advantage in the sex industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:45 PM
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You know, since all women are hypergamous, we can assume they all want it if this guy was a high enough value male. Does rape even exist at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:39 PM
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And she really shouldn't have been wearing clothes that slutty if she didn't want it. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:29 PM
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Honestly this is the best response. If the guy isnt going to provide any reasoning why bother coming up with a comprehensive answer
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:24 PM
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The ignorance and projection in this post is nothing short of astronomical. It's quite clear you've done no research and assume your perspective is the only one that exists. http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2014/08/19-men-share-stories-of-being-raped-by-a-woman-nsfw/ http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/living/chris-brown-female-on-male-rape/ https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/sv-datasheet-a.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:02 PM
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You want an objective solution. I'm saying there isn't one. There's only that which will make you more attractive to most men, and even that's debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:17 AM
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I'm not a fan of this whole "SMV" rating scale to begin with. I've got very unusual tastes in women. I'm into certain things that would turn other men off, like strength, unique styles of dress (that TRP would associate with Tumblr feminists), etc. I think of myself as living proof that an objective rating scale doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:36 AM
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9/11 conspiracy theorists have a system. The birthers had a system. Moon landing deniers have a system. Everyone wants to defeat cognitive dissonance, and thus systems are created. Just because they are logically consistant doesn't make them logically correct. And yes, I do think you're making up many of your assertions. That which is presented without evidence should be dismissed without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 05:14 PM
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Just because it's a system that closes all its loops doesn't make it factually correct. You really did just make this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:23 PM
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You got a lot of claims and not a lot of evidence here. Got any backup, or can I assume you just made this up on the spot?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:05 PM
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There are studies that suggest Dark Triad individuals have more success in short term relationships (aka hookups) due to their dank triage traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:16 PM
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What about my sweet posts tho I've made arguments against dread, women being children, AWALT, biotruths, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:13 AM
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wat
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 02:54 AM
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Feminist concepts taught in schools are scientifically supported TRP just tends to reject evidence that doesn't support their narrative, as the Feminist Imperative has corrupted all social sciences
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:09 PM
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How come when I make a satirical post it gets deleted, but this guy can do it all he wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:05 PM
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For the same reason they don't teach Creationism. Lots of it isn't scientifically supported.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:03 PM
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Perhaps the motivation was virtue signaling. But that's not why the argument was incorrect. It was incorrect (in the case of the height thing) because it was factually incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:50 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:55 PM
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I think this will be a net loss for TBP, and society as a whole. TRP will surge, what with all of the people who have similar beliefs being introduced to it. That's unfortunate. On the other hand, women who are aware of RP tactics will be more likely to recognize them, and take the steps necessary to avoid them. This will be good, but I doubt a large number of them will be interested enough to look into RP in greater detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:29 PM
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This seems like projection to me. People can like different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:05 PM
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I'm a firm believer in NARPALT. Not all rpers, and not even the majority, resort to calling out the opponent's motivations rather than their arguments, but the ones who do are making a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:04 PM
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Whataboutism
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:02 PM
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An attack on sincerity has no effect on the validity of the idea itself. Let's say that I feel like trolling BP one day and start presenting RP arguments on their forum. I don't believe these arguments, so does that make them untrue by default? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:00 PM
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wat We were talking about virtue signaling not group think
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:56 PM
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My point is that whether something is or isn't virtue signaling doesn't affect the content of the argument and therefore isnt a valid reason to dismiss it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:03 PM
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So am I supposed to take your word for it or do you have any proof
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:02 PM
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citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:41 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:00 AM
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You and I must have different interpretations of what "virtue signaling" is. Here's the wikipedia definition: Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values by an individual done primarily with the intent of enhancing that person's standing within a social group. The term was first used in signalling theory, to describe any behavior that could be used to signal virtue – especially piety among the political or religious faithful.[1] Since 2015, the term has become more commonly u…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:40 AM
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What makes you think a woman shouldn't have multiple partners? Or a man, for that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:39 AM
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Virtue Signalling refers to the public expression of an opinion on a given topic primarily for the purpose of displaying one’s moral superiority before a large audience to solicit their approval. Online, the practice is often associated with various platitudes shared on social media that proclaim one’s political affiliation or stance on a variety of hot-button issues related to social justice; it has been criticized by some as a shallow attempt at improving social status within a particular grou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:38 AM
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Okay, bad word choice. How about equally inadequate?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:36 AM
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If you think something, state it clearly and make an argument for it. Don't insinuate. Don't prevaricate. Make clear, definitive statements, propositions that others can contest or arguments whose validity people can challenge. I'm making fun of those who won't outright state their arguments for fear of criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:35 AM
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You and I must have different interpretations of what "virtue signaling" is. Here's the wikipedia definition: Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values by an individual done primarily with the intent of enhancing that person's standing within a social group. The term was first used in signalling theory, to describe any behavior that could be used to signal virtue – especially piety among the political or religious faithful.[1] Since 2015, the term has become more commonly u…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:32 AM
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Nuh uh red pillers are
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:27 AM
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How else am I supposed to make an argument without being challenged tho Being right is what's important not learning
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:22 AM
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What about people who play Devil's advocate? Under this logic, it seems fair to dismiss any arguments made as a Devil's advocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:20 AM
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A self serving BP person claims that their irrelevant garbage shouldn't be questioned. I wonder why. wat how is that implied by virtue signaling
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:17 AM
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No, as the woman's soul degrades with each sexual partner. Fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:12 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:08 AM
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Why address my point when you can just make the same logical error decried in the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 02:02 AM
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I think a better way to address an empty statement like that is to call it out for what it is: an empty statement. Making claims about the motivations of such a statement isn't a rebuttal in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:34 AM
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Alright, that's one way to think about it. Which brings up another point: how do you determine whether or not the person's motivation for posting the argument was an attempt to appear virtuous? More importantly, why does that matter? Whether the person believes his argument or not doesn't change how true/false it might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:31 AM
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What's different about your definition and mine? Looks the same to me, minus the "lack of activism" clause on your end. And the main point remains untouched: it's not an argument. It's a deflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:29 AM
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Whether this is rape or not doesn't seem relevant to me. It's morally wrong: end of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:27 AM
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FFS if you think women are only attracted to one type of man just say it already stop trying to make questions implying elements of it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:25 AM
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Virtue signalling is a term sometimes used by the alt right to describe those they believe to be motivated by a desire to look virtuous to post arguments. In short, it's the idea that someone's reason for posting an argument is to look good on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:23 AM
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Equally ineffective.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:16 AM
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So what if it isn't evolutionarily beneficial? That doesn't make it abnormal or unnatural. This thread seems to me like an attempt to delegitimize attractions that don't fit the RP norm (ie male attraction to masculine women) to close more loops in their narrative. So, other attractions must be... deviant, and therefore can be dismissed. Could be wrong on this motivation, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 12:10 AM
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What makes you think a fetish isn't natural or normal?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:58 PM
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Eh. While I'm not a fan of any RPer, I feel like we need more information to confirm many of the implications made by this piece.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 07:11 PM
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im kidding
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 06:41 PM
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If the problem is with attraction, yes, communication alone won't be enough. Action will need to be a part of it. But communication will bring the required components into the light.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:55 PM
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You and I will have to disagree on this, because I think there's plenty of ways to bring up what you want from the relationship without underhanded tactics and instilling a feeling of fear. Mature adults can discuss the problems in their relationships without fear, and make resolutions/compromises to fix them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:54 PM
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Attraction is never able to be negotiated like you imply I don't think that. Communication is done through dread game, not trying to speak your way into a woman wanting you and respecting you. Nuh uh. Communication is done through communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:49 PM
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An ultimatum needn't be hostile. It's a simple acknowledgement that you've reached an impasse in a relationship. Not her fault, and not yours. You just want different things. And the condescension comes from the tone, not the argument. Don't deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:45 PM
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You give reasoning based on unproven premises. "All women are/do x. Therefore, y and z must be true." where x is unsupported and unproven. Like I said: you expect us to take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:38 PM
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Just because you define it as part of the dread process doesn't mean it's hostile manipulation. Also, really not a fan of the condescension.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:33 PM
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Your argument is literally "it is so because we say so." That's not convincing. It'll never be convincing, no matter how many times you restate your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:32 PM
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I'm not convinced by RP ideas because nobody ever provides evidence supporting them. They just expect me to take their word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:31 PM
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http://orig02.deviantart.net/42ad/f/2009/123/b/d/flying_bulbasaur_by_sashabff.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:51 PM
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Does charmander even know Sleep Powder
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:06 PM
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i dont actually believe in a wall its a joke Also I love the mods around here. Get yo personal attacks out of my debate subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:23 PM
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Correlation tho not causation
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:13 PM
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ur just jeally of my superior reasoning skill
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:10 PM
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It's true! All men instantly become unattractive at age 30 because I say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:03 PM
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Fertility isn't what motivates rape though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:01 PM
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Studies have shown the same for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:57 PM
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I was under the impression that a debate was an attempt to convince the opposing party of your viewpoint. Isn't that why we're here? I think the reason you're unwilling to further support your argument is because you have no support. You've nothing to back your nonsensical claims with, so you retreat under the "idc if I convince anyone" umbrella.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:57 PM
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This is a debate subreddit, not a circlejerk. Participate or leave. Offer some support, or don't make claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:39 PM
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Gunna need a source on that "all women are holding their marriage hostage" thing cause I don't believe that. As for the "nexting" advice: yeah. That's what I'm saying. If she's not willing to have a relationship that suits you, break up. Find someone who is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:31 PM
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Bit of a false dichotomy there. The third option is to realize you and the other aren't compatible and begin the search for a woman who's willing to give what you want to the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:26 PM
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Nuh uh! All men lose their value in a relationship at age thirty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:20 PM
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Outright saying "I need this from you or I'm leaving the relationship" is not what I consider manipulation or wrong. It's just a statement of preferences: I need this from you, or I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:19 PM
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Men hit The Wall around age 30, so it only makes sense to go after a younger one who still has some value left.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:15 PM
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Well, good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:53 PM
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The extreme variant is the only one BPers take issue with, so I thought it all that was worth addreasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:30 PM
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Bulbasaur is best starter
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:14 AM
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Any intentional move towards making your S/O feel insecure about the relationship (flirting with other women for example) is cruel and unnecessary. You want something out of her in the relationship? Just ask. Mindgames aren't needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:11 AM
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I'd like her to be taller than me. Like, a foot taller. Hopefully also physically stronger too. Mmm...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:34 AM
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lol @ woman thinking she knows what she wants watch what they do not what they say amirite
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:33 AM
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We need to go deeper
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:51 AM
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Hey, this is a response to my thread, isn't it? If so, it's kind of... bad. See, my study doesn't suggest that men and women are exactly the same. Rather, it suggests that, on average, the differences between them are negligible. It allows for a bell curve of varied responses, so there's no reason to think of this as a rebuttal. Also, the implicit suggestion that men and women react differently to being called fat need proving. Because in my personal experience (a source of evidence TRP seems to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 02:04 AM
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Neuroscience is a good field of evidence: but how do we translate its findings into behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:57 AM
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wat
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:53 AM
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We're still having sex this weekend, right? I might have to move some plans around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:27 PM
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Maybe a peer reviewed meta-analysis could serve as proof to the contrary of many gender stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:26 PM
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I saw that. I'm not saying everything's the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:26 PM
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On a really basic and vague level, maybe. I doubt any science studying this is working on anywhere close to the level of psychological complexity that gender studies scientists are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:25 PM
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As for this study... Even the writers conclude that the differences range from small to moderate. Clearly the average personalities of men and women are systematically different. Does this mean, however, that Bill Cosby's metaphor, that men and women are from “different species,” is apt? We would caution against adopting such a dramatic interpretation of the pervasive gender differences in personality that we report in this study. All of the mean differences we found (and all of the differences …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:24 PM
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This study examines behavioral differences, not DNA differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:33 PM
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citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:11 PM
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Do some !@#$ing proper research before you ask this incredibly small and biased group of people ffs Here's a report by the GfK, a highly reliable group of market researchers. See page nine for their findings in this study.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:07 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j2Pb0YwVH8
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:39 PM
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Oh yeah. Forgot that was even a rule. What with all the downvoting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:20 AM
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Even if women did prefer dad bods I'm sure you people would find some negative way to interpret it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:49 AM
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How the heck should I know I never got the chance to be a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:01 AM
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Idk about others but I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:15 AM
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This post is utterly moronic. Seeking to deliberately misrepresent our views contributes nothing towards the RP/BP debate. This is one of the few posts around here that earns a downvote from me. Go back to TRP where this nonsense makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:14 AM
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This is a debate subreddit for TRP ideas/methods I don't see why makeup preferences are relevant here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 09:24 PM
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First off what makes you think men prefer women without makeup Second how do we know your personal experiences of men lusting after women with makeup are representative of men as a whole Third why did you bother to ask this question to begin with why is it relevant at all
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 09:11 PM
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I thought basing conclusions exclusively on personal experience and then presenting them in a subreddit for debate was a TRP thing Good to know we're all flawed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 06:16 PM
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When you've got sheer unrivaled manliness like mine, you gotta do things to bring it down, lest reality itself turn inside out from all that machismo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 05:27 PM
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>:(
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 05:20 PM
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Try google searching for some research. The answers you'll get in studies are a heck of a lot better than what you'll get here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 06:04 AM
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I don't see why a simple puzzle in a shorter amount of time could be less indicative than a complex one in a large amount of time. Especially with such consistent results. As for your second point about application: I think the jury is out on that one. See the results portion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 06:03 AM
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I won't disagree that women are naturally less adept at spacial reasoning, but the biological differences are less significant than you think. Nurture has just as much of a role to play as nature, as young girls are less likely to be socialized into spacial application. As for your personal experience, you probably know what I'm about to say. It's what I always say. It's unconvincing to me, because as a RPer, you are vulnerable to bias in that regard. Maybe you've passed up entirely capable wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 05:29 AM
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When she fails shit tests, acts like a drunk captain, emotes in any way or goes to the gym less than eight days a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 05:11 AM
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I don't agree with a lot of what you are saying. There are a lot of men unhappy because they have no sexual outlets. Have you even heard women talking about short or awkward men? Sadly, I am friends with some of these kinds of women. These are the kind of men that land on the redpill. I'll concede that there are plenty of guys unhappy cause of a lack of relationships, but there's no way it's the majority. This is just one of the possibilities, but the idea of what makes us happy as humans is inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 05:01 AM
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The mortal fight between men and women has now grown into a full on gender war. There's no battle of the sexes. It's feminism and anti-feminism that are in some semblance of a "war". There are feminist like these as well who make men disillusioned - Yeah, but you'd only find them if you were looking for them. They're not the majority. The reason the (sadly) popular website Buzzfeed posted that video with those silly viewpoints is because it was controversial. It'd get clicks. Essentially trollin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 04:08 AM
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Might wanna bring these topics up in separate threads. Each one is a large discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 07:41 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 07:27 PM
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The reason we BPers want evidence is for the reason you stated: place is significant. Therefore, we need a more general representation of the population we're trying to draw conclusions about. To do this, we rely on statistics, because they are the least susceptible to biases and inaccurate samples.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 06:28 PM
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"Was this really the case?" Why not just do the research yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 06:23 PM
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I listen to people. And fail to come to your conclusions. Oh, and life is a science. Everything's science.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 06:18 PM
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Delete it if you like. But I'm keeping the title. Last time I called it out normally, and it's still happening. By demonstrating its folly, I hope to change some minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 06:17 PM
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No. And this is a leading question. Just say it out loud: "I think women are more likely to take things personally."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 05:07 PM
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This thread is obviously an attempt at statistics collecting. Problem is the people here have an argument they want to prove, and therefore are likely to answer in accordance with those views. Plus, the people here are not representative of the general population. This thread's results will be nothing but misleading.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 03:35 PM
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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 03:32 PM
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So you got any actual evidence, reasoning, or support, or are you just going to keep restating your claim as if it's self proving?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 03:31 PM
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What about all the other articles tho
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 01:01 PM
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And time! Two minutes!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 04:04 AM
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That's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 02:08 AM
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It's just you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 10:23 PM
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To me, nothing is as truly abhorrent as those who would disregard morality, consciously and commonly, to benefit. There's no worse monster than the one who's a villain in his own story.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 09:04 PM
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brb im off to scam a widow out of her dead husband's life insurance money since morality=benefit
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:07 PM
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Dunno if there's a god. Currently operating on secular morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:46 PM
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Trying to get a better understanding of how the world works isn't the same as trying to control it. I'm pretty sure you've used this line before, it reeks of projection more than anything. I haven't used this before. Also, when this "systemization" is based on demonstrably false premises it quickly becomes clear that it's just an attempt to reinforce a worldview you already have, not some move towards learning or actual thought. Eh what? Systemizing is a thought process, not an argument. If you …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:46 PM
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If you want to ignore morality to get what you want? You can. Good luck. Hope you get what's coming to you. Just know you rank below the worms in the dirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:36 PM
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Or maybe TRPers are affected by confirmation bias, and will only take notice of those who reinforce their stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:34 PM
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Terps, and misogynists in general, struggle with abstract thinking. They like to think that systemizing types is based in truth, but in reality is just a way they attempt to control the world they live in. There's no advantage to this supposed "systemization" when it's based on demonstrably false premises. They're just brick walls for normies to bash their heads against. Terps basically only exist for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:30 PM
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The issue we have with TRP methodology is that we think it's immoral. I figured this went without saying. "But HugMuffin, there's no objective morality" No, there isn't. But we can devise a system of morality that's mutually beneficial to humanity as a whole. That's where morality came from. That's why empathy is such a beneficial trait. Break this system, and the populace becomes more at risk. For this reason, we BPers try to uphold the system morality that we generally share.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:25 PM
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Millions upon millions of non-RP men have much different interpretations of their experiences. Does that make them right? No. The bandwagon fallacy isn't convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 02:52 PM
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Wait, I just can claim facts without evidence if it's not a college paper? Sweet! 1: 90% of women will not respond to TRP techniques. TRP just keeps trying until they find a woman that does. This is objective fact, so says I. 2: TRP techniques are, through a long chain of cause and effect, the cause of all relationship issues, terrorist attacks, and international affairs. This is objective fact. 3: TRP literally causes autism. It's true! This is objective fact now. Whee! I should do this all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 01:07 PM
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Some assertions can be supporting with just reasoning, but assertions based in pure fact, like "all women want Chad," or "most women want Chad" need supporting evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 04:02 AM
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It's impressive that the guy has a PhD, and that you acTUALLY LINKED A SUPPORT ARTICLE YAY but his testimonial is unconvincing for the same reason yours is: the only evidence is a personal anecdote. Also he never implies that it's only women who get pickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 03:57 AM
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Isn't that what I said? I'm tired. Also, you gotta have more than "I'm pretty sure" when you're advancing an idea that would support RP or BP here, cause that's what we're here to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 03:52 AM
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Well, since the stats indicate that there are more unmarried men than women, it may follow to assume that men must be the pickier ones. Course, any number of confounding variables exist that might explain that. Maybe men are just less inclined to marry... further research is required.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 03:44 AM
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Oh boy more personal experience instead of evidence And before you say "oh it's a social trend you can't get evidence for that," see this. The first chart shows that more men than women are unmarried above the age of 25. However, the second chart suggests that women have more strict standards, at least according to the five standards surveyed. Despite this, it's men that are unlikely to be unmarried. Curious. Also: 44.9% of the unmarried population aged 18 and older are female. For every 100 unm…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 03:37 AM
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>never provides any sources, evidence, or backup >accuses me of laziness
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 01:29 AM
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me_irl
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 11:28 PM
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me_irl
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 11:16 PM
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I do that too. Recently I made a post rebutting the women are teenagers thing on the TRP sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 10:28 PM
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She?! I'm the manliest man in this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 10:26 PM
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Evidence of my assumption would take months to compile. So, I chose a smaller representative sample of every RP argument on the front page.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:52 PM
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Those assumptions don't hold weight either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:42 PM
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<3
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:28 PM
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No. RPers often come to many conclusions based on these faulty assumptions. In order to debunk those conclusions, one must point out that what it's based on is untrue. For example, if I made the faulty assumption that RP men must have had abusive mothers, I can come to the equally faulty conclusion that RP men may have a lack of empathy towards women because of their childhood experiences. To refute this argument, the RPer's best available method is to question my original assumption, as I haven…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:27 PM
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Alright, here's what wrong with this post, /u/HopefulAboutADHD. First, you claim that feminism isn't serious about what it proposes. You seem to think that the feminist ideas of female independence is simply an attempt to "shit test" men as a whole. Your evidence? One viewpoint from a RPW. Far from convincing. The concept of "shit testing" in itself is a debatable concept. This is a debate subreddit, and BPers don't agree to that premise. In order to use that term, you must first prove it's a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:22 PM
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Let me submit this other post first. Then, I'll make another comment here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:05 PM
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Oh, good. Be warned though, you're not the only lazy one around here. Might not reply. In fact, if you're going to write an essay, it'd be much better to make it its own thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:50 PM
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I doubt it. Posting this way just allows you to feel like you won without actually presenting an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:45 PM
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You're bluffing. You have no answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:35 PM
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Might've upvoted this if not the for personal attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:30 PM
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This is so inaccurate it's hilarious. The number of criticisms I could make of this nonsense is mind boggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 06:15 PM
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Guess you were absent when the RP creators were handing out the mind reader guns.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 06:11 PM
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/thread x2
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 01:08 PM
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Yeah, might have got the terminology a bit off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 04:01 AM
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That's no study. Not even close. Though I do agree that higher testosterone can be linked to more aggression, which seems like it would influence negotiation. As for your second statement, gender role socialization is absolutely a factor in modern gender roles. Sociologists generally agree that modern gender roles are a result of socialization grossly exaggerating biological differences. And these biological differences are rarely significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 03:01 AM
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feminism has completely buttfucked research into bias It looks like you're using this as a way to instantly dismiss all evidence that's contrary to your point of view. As for that concession, preference is certainly a part of it, but I don't think that preference is necessarily inborn. Women are socialized against STEM fields, especially in more traditional areas, so this may be a result of gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 01:12 AM
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Discrimination in the workplace is a thing, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 01:09 AM
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I didn't say freedom of choice was a problem. I was making concessions so I could stay honest. 6: Another plan is to confuse the issue by changing your opponent's words or what he or she seeks to prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:57 AM
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The word "reasons" was meant to imply that workplace discrimination is not the only reason for the pay gap. If you read farther in my post, you can find my concessions to many other reasons, and you'll find similar concessions in the article I linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:49 AM
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What about this evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:28 AM
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Employers are unlikely to pay a woman less consciously. Nobody wants to be a misogynist (save for a few here, which is why I feel the need to debate on PPD), but subconscious internalization of gender stereotypes may affect hiring. It's been shown that men are more likely to hire other men, and vise versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:26 AM
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its because they take more time off, dont strive, dont negotiate for higher salaries as aggressively or frequently, choose lower paying lower prestige careers, a whole host of things Yeah, these reasons exist. Minus the "don't strive" thing. But I'd argue that they're likely a result of gender roles. Women are less likely to negotiate as hard because they've been socialized to be passive and accommodating. Women are less likely to aim at higher paying jobs (read: STEM) because they're not encour…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:17 AM
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Here's something interesting. Not quite what you asked for, but pretty close.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:08 AM
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Women will often be paid less because they're less likely to negotiate. This is a side effect of society's view that women are supposed to be passive and accommodating, thus causing them to be socialized to act this way, leading to less negotiation. Also, there's plenty of discrimination in the workplace in higher paying jobs, according to this study.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:05 AM
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Schopenhauer's 3rd stratagem: Ignore your opponent's proposition, which was intended to refer to a particular thing. Rather, understand it in some quite different sense, and then refute it. Attack something different than that which was asserted.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 12:01 AM
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Who cares? -TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:57 PM
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I personally don't see feminism this way. Elimination of inequality affecting men and women should be paramount, and the very term "gender equality" to me means both men and women should be seen equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 08:15 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 01:14 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 01:11 PM
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beef curtains
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 01:11 PM
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Something like that. According to this, unintended pregnancies are more common among the young and the uneducated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 09:00 PM
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All of the girls I know love something. Music, art, programming, people, God; all sorts of things. You'll be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't have any passions. As for this statement... Or else everyone is interesting which then defeats the purpose of calling someone interesting if you know what I mean. I disagree. Interesting, to me, isn't a qualifier that's relative to other people. Seems more like a binary. People can be interesting for different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 08:22 PM
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My thoughts? I take issue with this guy and his antiquated gender roles. Odds are he's not mature enough to handle an educated/smart woman to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 08:15 PM
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...you have conversations, right? I was of the opinion that most people enjoyed conversation and being with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 08:06 PM
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I think the same holds true for men as well. Introspection on the dating front isn't easy, and it wouldn't be too hard to come to false conclusions about what you're into.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 06:19 PM
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Almost everyone has the capacity to be interesting. All you really need to be able to do is hold up your end of the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 04:56 PM
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I could walk around my dorm right now and quickly find dozens of attractive, interesting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 04:06 PM
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This is a poor attempt at a "gotcha" thread. Being a man in today's society and being a transsexual man are two vastly different things. Besides, gender identity is the key to transsexualism, not societal advantages. Doing that procedure despite not knowing its identity risks permanent unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 01:05 PM
2

Same reason men who are obsessed with muscle mass get fat: food tastes really good.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 01:02 PM
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Especially the outright dismissal of moral criticism. Do we have a super villain on our hands?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 01:09 AM
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Oh, that wasn't a part of the study. That was a conclusion drawn from referencing other studies. Clearly the three traits are associated with both high levels of self-interest and low levels of empathic qualities. As such, individuals who score high on the Dark Triad traits are not well suited for or interested in maintaining long-term relationships, where continued reciprocity is integral (Bradlee & Emmons, 1992; Campbell & Foster, 2002; Foster et al.,2006). Likewise, once their qualities are e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 04:19 AM
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Traditionalism: 34% Liberal: 77% Radical: 51% Marxist: 54% Cultural: 50% Did not expect that high for cultural or radical. Hm.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 03:25 AM
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Are you suggesting it's possible to enjoy a woman's company? That's just silly. Everyone knows all they talk about is clothes and shopping. On an unrelated note, how's the weather today? Haven't been outside the old basement in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 01:25 AM
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I'm going to assume you just made that up on the spot and have absolutely no support to back it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 12:33 AM
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Trust me we're all reeling too
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 09:00 PM
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Here we go again. Another SetConsumes post where he sets up preliminaries and expects us to just take his word for it that they're true. I'm going to list out those preliminaries and put a [Citation Needed] under them all. 1: Masculinity is somehow required to have life skills 2: Women are incapable of equally possessing these life skills because they aren't masculine 3: The patriarchy was caused by this inequality in life skills 4: Women seek a more hedonistic and "ruthless" society (despite se…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 07:36 PM
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Yeah, I'm being vague here. But it's also impossible to assume such fundamental differences in sexes when the basic psychology is so similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 12:35 AM
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Not necessarily. I'm curious as to where you stand. Do you believe in objective morality? Or what subjective morality do you hold yourself to? The mutual benefit model. Everyone is given as much opportunity to pursue happiness as possible as long as it doesn't obstruct that for others. I'm not shutoff to it. I just don't expect it anymore. That scientism life failed me. Where did it get me? Helped me hit nihilism sure, and then it can't do more. Fucking 2017 and we don't conclusively know with s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 12:32 AM
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Moral argument? Whose morals are you going by? Is this going to be the "morals are subjective and therefore aren't worth considering" argument again? All of this is measurable irl. Just not in a controlled study. yes iT IS GODDAMIT Being totally shut off to research and evidence is how conspiracy theorists operate! You can't honestly expect BPers to just take your word for these things! This is a debate subreddit! Sources are a must!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 12:16 AM
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It does not mean we share the same drives and affinities for different psychological processes or have the same general life goals or the same natural focus. I think it does. With similar psychology comes similar outlooks, motivation; drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 12:12 AM
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Look, man. The fault's on your end. Even the TRPers thought you were talking nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 11:32 PM
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Yeah, no. I'm a man and I also have difficulty understanding your points. Remember the last conversation we had? It took three exchanges for you to communicate your point to me. The problem is with you, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 11:12 PM
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Well mine is not being able to beat Dark Souls without phantoms. /s Seriously, though, the word weak on its own is subject to a lot of different interpretation. I think it's important for us to agree on what it means in this context before we discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:46 PM
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Mind defining weak for us? Like, by editing your post? I'm not totally sure what weak means in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:31 PM
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I dunno about other feminists, but I'm of the opinion that this isn't an accurate representation of our points. Unlike TBP, feminism is concerned only with the power and control of the situation, not the morals. With dread, or negging, their concern is men having a superior position or upper-hand in the situation. Because women are oppressed or the less privileged gender, this is wrong. I would argue that women having disadvantages in society is a moral wrong. Equality of opportunity, and all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:27 PM
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Really? When?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 01:20 PM
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Well I say any research that contradicts my opinion should be instantly dismissed too There we now have eternal stalemate PPD is over
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 12:29 PM
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From a genetic perspective, yes, but not a behavioral one, which is what this focuses on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 12:15 PM
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You sure about that? Cause these meta-analyses are their own mountains of evidence. Also, I haven't got the time to read an entire book. Would you mind linking relevant studies or scholarly articles instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 03:08 AM
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Whether the actual red pill strategies are effective or not isn't something I usually get into. When it comes to RP tactics, I usually argue from a moral perspective rather than a practical one, because it's near impossible to find studies on RP tactics. As far as I can tell, at least. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. What this post was intended to begin to address is certain assumptions TRP has about women, such as AWALT, hypergamy, childishness, etc. It's not an attack on the methodology, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 03:05 AM
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Maybe they do. But I've got a more specific analysis in the works, and we'll be able to see how and if these differences affect others then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 02:58 AM
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The hypothesis states that most of these differences are negligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 02:53 AM
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But how do those differences translate into behavior? That's what the Gender Similarities Hypothesis addresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 02:52 AM
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Yeah I do None of those scrubs know how to deal with hyper armor. Turn and burns for days.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 02:48 AM
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Yeah. More of a fan of killing players, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 02:46 AM
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Does Dark Souls count?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 02:43 AM
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For the same reason I hope studies will disprove the idea of a flat earth to flat earthers. Edit: This was too harsh. I really do believe that TRP has come to many incorrect conclusions that contradict scientific evidence, but comparing you guys to flat earthers was uncalled for. I apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 02:40 AM
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It could easily be a correlation thing. I'd have to do more research to be sure though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 02:30 AM
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Not really. Number of sexual partners isn't necessarily related to likelihood to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 11:59 PM
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Not really. You'll never convince anyone else of something using anecdotal evidence. You really aren't suited to a debate subreddit if you can't pony up support to back your claims. And the evidence I'd like is evidence to prove that women are significantly more likely to attack meaningless parts of an argument, or use logical fallacies, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 10:55 PM
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The issue is not addressing the logic, point, or concept and relying on addressing the language itself. Alright. Now we have a concept. A concept that's completely unsubstantiated. Got any evidence to back it, or are you expecting me to just take your word for it? Burden of proof's on you. Its not the best option. Hence feminism and its glory. ...yes it is... studies are the highest standard of truth we can possibly hope to achieve in recording patterns or trends. It's true they can be wrong, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 10:11 PM
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By having a strong understanding of language, women will use language itself to invalidate, discredit arguments against them, and reframe a situation for their benefit. "Blame shifting" for you seems to include every style of rebuttal. It is literally impossible to respond to someone's argument without doing these things. Asking for evidence is not blame shifting either, but I was never convinced or not about this either way because of studies. Studies support, not prove on their own. Really? Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 09:07 PM
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Is this what you call blame shifting? Asking for actual evidence instead of anecdotes from your life, or mine? You're lost. You have no place in a debate subreddit if that's what you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 08:36 PM
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Ooh, anecdotes, those are really convincing and definitely enough to establish a pattern of behavior. Everyone knows that they're totally reliable and not at all vulnerable to confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 08:32 PM
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It sounds like you made all this up on the spot. If you don't provide evidence or support then there's absolutely no reason to take any of this seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:59 PM
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Well, at least you're honest. Step two is working to change the shallowness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 04:17 PM
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It's incredibly shallow to assume programming is the only skill worthy of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 04:13 PM
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So am I just supposed to take your word for it that these trends exist or do you have any proof? Cause my experience runs counter to yours on these fronts, and without some sort of support, I have no reason to agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 02:04 PM
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Oh boy a single piece of anecdotal evidence. It might even be entirely true! Regardless of how RP fanfictiony this may sound, it may be based in truth. See these statistics on trends in US prostitution. Notably, average income seems to be around 250k annually, which suggests a large clientele. Though this is a trend, it in no way suggests dating/sex is easier for women, since prostitution is a paid-for service.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 01:59 PM
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... no ...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 11:06 PM
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I don't think so, men are too dangerous, they must control the anger and sexuality greatly because of the danger it poses if left unchecked and not well controlled. This doesn't make any sense. Why would men be more dangerous when enraged? I'm pretty sure anyone pissed beyond belief could work a kitchen knife. A large part of the difference in men and women's emotional control is simply having a different hormonal cocktails. The other part is upbringing and much emotional control is required, ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 07:28 PM
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Does this change that reacting emotionally is childlike? No. It's dishonest to suggest that any emotional reaction constitutes "acting like a child." It only becomes childishness when one is unable to regulate them. Hmm okay, I can't read the study, but you said they are more responsive, which implies they act more based on emotions. Bad diction on my end. My bad. As for the rest of your argument, the only sentence that's based in anything but hollywood logic is that it might be easier to get an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 07:20 PM
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RP ideas have more upvotes every single time though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 07:05 PM
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I don't share that opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:17 PM
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http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/03/FINAL_modern_parenthood_03-2013.pdf Page 13, chart at the very bottom right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 02:16 AM
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Then the woman should've used her telepathic skills to determine whether or not he'd be a deadbeat at the very beginning. It's her fault he left. -TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 02:10 AM
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What does emotionally cheating entail?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 02:07 AM
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Do wise people contain wisdom? If they do, then perhaps there's still valid reasoning behind their words that isn't directly provable by science how we would prefer? Philosophy gave birth to science, to consider their position is without strong logical reasoning is misguided. You'll have to excuse me if I don't take the word of a philosopher who was born in a time where women were often treated like children and where developmental psychology was only in its infancy. I'd prefer to trust actual e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 11:29 PM
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What are you talking about? I don't support either one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 02:17 PM
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And I'll take it you didn't even read the first bit of what I wrote, because of you did, you'd know that this is a direct response to one of those posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 02:15 PM
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"A lot of" isn't a meaningful number to me. Doesn't really demonstrate a widespread pattern of behavior. Might be time to get off of tumblr.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 12:11 PM
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You got any supporting evidence or should I just ignore you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:35 AM
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I disagree. The evidence suggests that amused mastery is often a cause of relationship failure. This seems to disprove it's so called effectiveness to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:35 AM
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That's why I specified leading questions. I use the Socratic method all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:47 AM
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I know; I was playing along
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:23 AM
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but i dont want people to act like it was my idea
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:20 AM
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... so ... does this mean no AWALT? Since she'll be faithful?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 04:56 AM
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This may legitimately be the most insane, nonsensical, tinfoil hat thing I've ever seen posted here. This is on par with believing in astrology, or that the world will end in 2018 because of an obscure number combination that some priest's coffee stain looked like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 04:54 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad3muFUM4r0
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 04:52 AM
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Idk. Why am I here and not debating white supremacists in StormfrontDebate or something? There's not enough time in the day. I certainly don't support when Muslims decry women and homosexuality, but I've got other things on my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 01:58 AM
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lolno Not one hundredth of the hostility shown towards brown people
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 12:20 AM
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Yep! But I'd argue that that's a problem with public perception, rather than anything meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 12:04 AM
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Well, some TRP seem to buy into it, so I'm gunna take a stab at d bunking it. Whee!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 11:21 PM
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That's nonsense. As a bleeding heart liberal, my reasoning for defending Muslims in America is that they're discriminated against, even when they've done nothing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 11:11 PM
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Not the way the sidebar describes it. Take a look; I even linked it in the op.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 11:07 PM
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Good idea! Except there's no evidence for that. Can't prove a negative. Burdon of proof is on TRP to show evidence that sex ruins women somehow, and it's going to have to be something more than "personal experience."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 11:04 PM
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Whole point of this place is to debate these silly things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 11:02 PM
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Something tells me an ended relationship will have a negative effect on the amount of sex had.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:37 AM
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First off, when you get sheer unadulterated manliness like mine, you don't need to worry about what a reddit username is going to do to it. Second, I suggested the different format because the CMV format affected how I responded to your thread. The format is important, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:36 AM
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Probably should've presented it as a question then, instead of a CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:32 AM
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I meant to imply that sex would be included in that relationship. Guess there was a misunderstanding. Ain't nothing wrong with wanting more sex out of a relationship, but amused mastery won't get you there. In fact, the evidence suggests it'll destroy your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:31 AM
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Oh yeah? Well I say men are more shallow, more sleazy, and much more vulgar than women! If anything, they're way more likely to lie. You can see the problem with the above statement, right? I've got no evidence to back it. I just made it up. The same issue exists with your AWALT assumption. Provide some support, or your point isn't worth considering.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:30 AM
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Sex is almost always an essential part of a relationship. Don't put words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:27 AM
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It sounds like you're projecting your feelings onto us based on your experiences, and your experiences alone. The world is much bigger than you, and I don't mean to be rude in saying so. If you want to present a compelling case, you'll need some support in the form of research.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:26 AM
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If you can come up with evidence communicating leads to an increase in the frequency of sex or oral sex, or has a lower incidence of dead bedrooms, that would be much more convincing evidence. I suppose it depends on what you want from a relationship. Do you want a bond; a relationship, or are you looking for warm holes? Cause I'm pretty sure they sell the latter at adult shops.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:24 AM
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Not according to the professionals. Remember, a survey of one hundred medical health experts came to the conclusion that women who report communication problems state a lack of validation of opinions or feelings. This giggle you talk about, according to research, probably doesn't happen, and if it does, odds are it's not a mirthful one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:22 AM
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One, yes. But it's a fairly good one, and relatively speaking, it's top dog around this thread so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:17 AM
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Oh yeah? Well I say men always lie and say what's expected of them! Yeah, in fact, all men secretly prefer to be cuckolded, but they lie because that's what society expects of them. You can see the problem with the above statement, right? I've got no evidence to back it. I just made it up. The same issue exists with your AWALT assumption. Provide some support, or your point isn't worth considering.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:07 AM
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Your evidence pales in comparison to mine. I have scientific research conducted by professionals with years of education. You've got an anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:05 AM
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The benefit is mutual, if a continued relationship is what you seek.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:00 AM
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Well, I suppose one way to deny the research is to assume everyone involved was lying. Isn't very intellectually sound, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 05:56 AM
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Sources? In PPD? I'm getting hard just looking at them. But this post can still be improved. These studies (or articles referencing studies) should be backed with small, user created summaries linking them to the TRP premises they supposedly debunk so users don't have to come to those conclusions themselves. Srsly good work though. Sourcessssssss
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 03:43 PM
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In an ideal, impossible world, gender roles and gender specific expectations wouldn't exist. If you want to adhere to these arbitrary roles, fine. If not, don't. Freedom to pursue happiness. Marriage should be whatever the couple (or more) make of it. Whatever makes them happy, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Government role is a tremendously complex topic, and I'm not sure how to comment on it unless it's related to a single issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 05:14 AM
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Why wouldn't that be okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 05:10 AM
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The term cock carousel, the constantly posted idea that women can have sex whenever they want, the belief in rampant hypergamy, the insistence that women cheat by nature, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 05:05 AM
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This is a massive sweeping generalization with no backup whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 04:59 AM
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Women can get away with it a bit too if you ask me ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 03:00 AM
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corect format is "!=" sorry im a cs major
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 02:56 AM
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Do you mind being more specific? I'm unsure as to how this addresses my rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:36 PM
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I chose the word "acceptable" because I knew many RPers would have different interpretations of what that meant. Feel free to use your own. It adds to the data pool. 2
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:35 PM
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I chose the word "acceptable" because I knew many RPers would have different interpretations of what that meant. Feel free to use your own. It adds to the data pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:35 PM
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Is this a serious reply? BPremium's response to this suggests it might be a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:31 PM
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Alright, here's how I see this. Housing expenses are likely overstated, as the woman/man would need to have a home anyway. The question is: how much more will he/she need to pay for housing to accommodate a child/children? This will take further research. Gimme some time... Food expenses seems legit. It calculates the food the kid will eat. Makes sense. Transportation expenses suffers from the same "necessity cost" issue that housing expenses do. Annoying. The rest don't suffer from that necessi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:30 PM
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That doesn't apply to this source. Child support payments are unambiguous in nature, unlike the cost of raising a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:21 PM
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I chose to ask this specific question because RPers may have other reasons for cheating then being unsatisfied with the marriage. This format leaves it as open as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:20 PM
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Huh. Good point. Lemme see if I can find something more specific to the child...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:17 PM
2

What do you mean by evil?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:13 PM
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According to this site, average monthly child support payment is around $430. Goddamn I love sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:12 PM
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According to this site, the cost of a ten year old for a single parent per year is about 22k. That's just under 2k per month.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:07 PM
1

Check this out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 03:04 PM
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Aw yeah. These are some hot sources right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 02:27 PM
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I dunno about that. I consider myself a femelrist and I don't see a problem with the woman helping out around the house. Third wave femingnism, to me, means the woman is empowered to take any role she wants in a relationship, including submissive housewife, so long as the man is compatible with the role she'd like to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 12:27 PM
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Burdon of proof is on the one making the claim. He's got no proof, nor support. The ball is in his court here. Suggesting that asking for a source on a debatable claim that is factual in nature (ie "there are no women in high skill jobs that do not require a degree) isn't a valid approach is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 12:00 AM
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Semantics. The point is he's just stating these highly debatable claims as if they're facts. If I don't accept those claims, the conclusions he comes to based on them aren't convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 08:17 PM
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Tenor isn't a really descriptive word here... what do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 08:16 PM
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Trust me, you're not the only one who thinks the red pill is a source of evil in the world. But posting outrage at them in PPD is only going to further lower their respect for BPers, and make them less likely to consider our arguments. I understand and share your anger, but it won't be productive around here. Save it for TBP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 07:10 PM
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There's a mutual degree of respect that should be upheld in debating subreddits such as these. It's the only way to ensure civil discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 06:55 PM
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When you make a claim that I don't agree to, you need to provide sufficient reasoning or evidence to support it, or I won't believe you. That's how debating works. You don't have that support, so your claims aren't worth considering. I could make an equally convincing counterargument (which is to say, not convincing at all) by reciting the inverse of your statements. As for your claim about useless degrees... Check out these neat stats I found from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Those with bach…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 06:08 PM
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I hear lots of talk about smart women these days but I've never met a woman smarter than me and definitely never met one smarter than the smartest man I've ever met. I don't find you to be a reliable source on that one. Women who are "really smart" tend to believe in the most puerile things, like education equating to intelligence. Citation needed. If you think about what education is, its the process of being taught, which we all need every now and then but not the extent the modern human now e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 05:11 PM
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The idea of a smart, rational woman runs against the AWALT assumption. You know, the one where all women are driven by emotion, act on whims, are selfish and narcissistic, etc. It takes a small amount of research and life experience to realize that women are capable of intelligence and rationality, just like men, but u/88Will88 won't accept that. So, he explains these smart women away by saying that rationality and cleverness isn't their "natural state." See, women don't really want to show thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 04:27 AM
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The only new things I've learned about TRP is that they tend to have varying interpretations of key terms, like dread game and pushing through LMR. Also, a small number of them believe that what they do is harmful to women, but don't care. They tend to use the "no objective morality" argument to justify that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 04:08 AM
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What's this thread supposed to prove? I don't understand where this is leading.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 04:06 AM
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Seems to me like an attempt to explain away smart women. "Oh, see, they're all submissive housewives deep down, it just takes the right alpha to draw that out." No supporting evidence for that sweeping generalization. No reason to take that claim seriously. Also, the post contradicts the TRP idea of traditional gender roles being what's best for society. If women are capable of being smart and rational (which they are), why are these gender roles necessary?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 04:02 AM
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What do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 01:51 AM
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Don't you dare imply I don't think about this stuff. We all do here. As for your argument, I disagree that a lack of resistance implies consent. In this particular example, it seems unlikely that she's not into it (as they seem to trust each other enough to have less intense relations so far) if she doesn't resist, but the fact is that the possibility is there that she might not be. In my opinion, making assumptions based on body language works for pleasure, not consent. For this reason, I espou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 01:47 AM
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Hm... the idea that modern third wave feminism has ceased to focus on gender equality and instead exists to fight an imaginary patriarchy. Alright. Though I doubt they call it feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 01:40 AM
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I think it is. Just because you've consented to one intimate thing (kissing, cuddling, laying in bed together, etc) doesn't mean you've consented to another. For example, it's entirely possible that someone might want to make out in bed, but not have sex. When it comes to consent, I always endorse the "rather safe than sorry" approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 01:35 AM
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Hey, I made that post! Only makes sense I should have a comment. I agree. If she's unable to voice a lack of consent, it's probably a bad idea to get into intimate situations with him. However. This does not mean that if the man (or woman. Modern times and all) proceeds without consent, it isn't a rape. The woman certainly made a mistake by trusting this guy not to take it beyond her boundaries, but only the man is actually making the move without receiving consent. I worry you're about to blame…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 01:18 AM
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I'm probably not in the top hundred million
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 05:09 PM
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One of them beat me in Smash once. I've never been the same since.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 04:22 PM
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Sure. Women and men want to have sex. The former mostly don't want to be perceived as being too easy, which is where last minute resistance (poorly worded term, better thought of as giving-plausible-deniability so that she can tell herself "it just happened") comes in. How do you know this will always be their motivation for saying no? Do you have any evidence in support? Casting such a wide net takes significant evidence. There's a huge difference between being so intimidated that you don't str…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 03:54 AM
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You can make the exact same argument about sex. No you can't. In the heat of the moment, any number of things could be going through her head. Unless you're some kind of telepath, you can't be sure of the reason why she said no, or failed to say yes. For this reason, you abstain. Not an argument. Why can't she just leave if she really doesn't want to have sex? If she actually can't, then she is being held against her will and that is rape. But that's not what you're saying. First off, you can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 09:40 PM
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So by that rationale, a panhandler can also be a mugger. If the person giving the money secretly harbors unexpressed fear when he hands over the dollar, then he becomes the mugging victim. If we follow your logic. This isn't an apt comparison. By handing the money to the panhandler, it can be reasonably assumed that the giver has consented to him taking the money. The key issue in crime is *guilty mind" of the accused. If he's being attentive to the attitude of the woman, carefully observing for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 08:32 PM
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Maybe not need, but prefer. Maybe not just nature, but also nurture. I wonder about the relevance anyway. Just let people do what they want, as long as they don't hurt anyone in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 05:26 PM
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People aren't all the same. Genetic variation, and whatnot. They're going to want different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 05:22 PM
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I don't think one model is objectively better than the other, as different people may require different types of relationships to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 05:18 PM
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It's right in that example I posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:55 PM
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Not this time. She consented. The point I'm trying to make is that many TRPers interpret "pushing past LMR" as continuing to escalate sexually despite a lack of consent, or even an overt no.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:49 PM
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Alright, seriously, why'd you need to know my personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:36 PM
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First off, the tone is not appreciated. This is a place of debate. A standard of respect is what should be expected here. As for your arguments... LMR is just anxiety about sex. It isn't NOT WANTING to have sex. Compare it to approach anxiety that men get, aka FIRST MINUTE resistance. It's not that you don't want to talk to people, it's that you need to relax and get used to this setting. How do you know? Are you a telepath? Can you be sure of what's going on in her head when she says no? There …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:31 PM
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You know when to back off when you are in the thick of it and have all of the information available Do you have all the information? You don't know what's going on in her head as she says no.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:24 PM
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By your logic, someone could say yes if they're afraid, making it rape even though they said yes, in which case it's impossible to prove it was rape. At that point, everything could be rape and verbal consent means nothing so you're back to square 1. I figured the idea of coercion or fear delegitimatizing consent went without saying. Consent isn't really a huge deal if you've dealt with human beings and you're not a total sperg. Ultimately, if you've gotten to the point where you've built rappor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:21 PM
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Wat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 04:37 AM
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No, I'm just not a big part of the feminist online sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:57 AM
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You can't. So you don't take the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:55 AM
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Never heard of it. I don't visit any feminist websites besides the blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:47 AM
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drumroll Aaaand... ISFP? The artist/adventurer? Are you kidding? I'm a computer scientist, for God's sake! Something must be wrong with this survey. I'm going to write a small, buggy program now so I can feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:43 AM
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I'm a bigger fan of the verbal consent model myself. A universal standard that's reasonable enough to ensure that both participants are into it and successfully remove the ambiguity from the process. Still, we have to draw the line somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:35 AM
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I suppose, but there has to come a point where consent is universally considered communicated. Otherwise, we risk having that uncomfortable ambiguity present in all sexual interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:34 AM
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Nah. Why's it important?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:29 AM
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But should she have had to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:27 AM
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The reason for the "better safe than sorry" approach to consent is for this reason stated above: even adults can be caught up in unfamiliar situations. To compensate for this, verbal consent is a must. Human fallibility is a thing, you know, and it has to be taken into account when involving oneself in such intimate activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:24 AM
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Any point during sex, you can withdraw consent and any sex thereafter is rape. You cannot withdraw consent during sex and call all previous sex rape. And isn't the 'clearly communicated' part very important? Yeah, that's true. A woman can have lots of time to consider or a little bit of time to consider and be equally verbal and enthusiastic in both situations. If she isn't sure if she wants to have sex with him yet, she should either not put herself in a sexual situation with him, or play it sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:22 AM
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... are you suggesting that rape is moral? Cause if so, I'm not going to argue with you. There's no point. You're lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:19 AM
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Huh. You have a point there... Yeah, screw it. Verbal consent should be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:18 AM
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It's entirely possible for an adult to be thrust into an unfamiliar situation and then not be sure what the best course of action is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:17 AM
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Are you trying to say that rape is moral? Or are you suggesting it's an entirely legal term? Because I see no issue with attempting to define rape from a moral standpoint. After all, that's what systems of law are based on in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:12 AM
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No, NO! You cannot withdraw consent after the fact. That is not how things work, legally or morally. Yes you can. At any point during sex with consent, that consent can be withdrawn, as long as it's clearly communicated. If she doesn't have enough time to determine the consequences of that sex, that is in no way shape or form, the man's fault. Oh yes it is. That's why we define consent as verbal and enthusiastic: these are qualifiers that would be difficult to produce if she isn't sure of her de…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:10 AM
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I don't. I'm just illustrating a point: he's not letting the situation cool off. He's pushing harder and harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:08 AM
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Your 🐹 is impressive, but your logic is insane Yeah, yeah, we both think the other is delusional, I know. If she's using sex to keep a guy then that's not fucking rape then is it? She's not sure of what's going on. Like I said: things are moving too quick. There's no time to make a calm, rational decision when tension is high, and escalation is happening despite her not giving the okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:07 AM
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Yeah, working to get that consent is just fine. It's this method in my post I have a problem with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:04 AM
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It might not be a rape just yet in her eyes. Perhaps she's worried he'll leave her if she says no, and doesn't have enough time to determine the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:03 AM
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What if she thinks he won't stick around if she doesn't have sex? Lots of consequences to consider as events progress at a whirlwind.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:01 AM
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That moron's got one hundred upvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 03:00 AM
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Any number of factors. Maybe she wants a relationship with the guy, and feels like he's not so bad, but doesn't want to have sex yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:54 AM
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It wasn't. This time. She did want it. The point I was trying to make is that pushing through LMR means deliberately ignoring the protests of the woman, and moving farther into intimacy, that you can't guarantee she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:53 AM
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Exactly! So being too scared to resist means you aren't making your consent or lack of consent highly apparent. It's the job of the partner to receive that enthusiastic consent, or risk having sex with her/him when she doesn't want it. Rape. This can affect the man or the woman. Well saying "committed rape" means committing a crime. Not a legal one necessarily. It's certainly meant to imply a moral transgression, but the exact legality of what a rape is differs from place to place, so I chose no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:50 AM
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Last minute resistance, which is when a woman declines sex, but doesn't do so forcefully enough, and therefore must want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:47 AM
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TRP seems to disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:45 AM
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You can't be threatened by virtue of some assumption of your own. This would be like saying I can shoot anyone who is bigger than me because I assumed they were going to hurt me if I didn't do some X thing. Legally, no. But consent can be withdrawn or withheld for any reason, even a perceived threat that isn't actually there. For this reason, consent should be highly apparent. You just contradicted your entire post. If there isn't evidence that one consented there is also no evidence they didn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:40 AM
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I thought it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:32 AM
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I thought it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:31 AM
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Welcome to the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:29 AM
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True. But get a large, diverse sample, and those biases fade out, and become representative of the population as a whole. This is what statistic taking is all about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:15 AM
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They don't if the people involved in the reporting are affected by any sort of bias; for example, reporting on the behaviors of women while having a belief that women are all narcissistic and manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 01:33 AM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 01:29 AM
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Ah, shoot. That is a feminist site, isn't it. My bad. Didn't even notice when I looked it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 11:28 PM
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Cause I don't want it. Not with them, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 11:27 PM
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I'd prefer not to spend the time watching it, and this so called "balanced review" is hosted on a site that's clearly antifeminist in nature. Just look at one of the politics pages. As for your rebuttal to the criticism of the protest scenes, those people who filmed those protesters had equal motivation to focus on the extremes, so the point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 10:21 PM
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I say you're deluding yourself, you say I am, etc etc. Yay, debate!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 10:09 PM
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Actually, now that I've looked it up in its entirety, I take it back: this film is biased. See this review: http://www.villagevoice.com/film/warning-you-cant-unsee-the-red-pill-the-documentary-about-a-filmmaker-who-learns-to-love-mras-9172459
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 08:42 PM
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I thought it was reasonably safe to assume that a documentary on the red pill (and supposedly fundraised by the red pill) was from the perspective of the red pill. Sue me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 08:16 PM
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wat i just didn't know jesus christ
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 06:35 PM
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I severely doubt that an individual coming from an anti-feminist perspective could give a balanced take on this issue. nvm Alright, now that I've done the research, I've concluded that this film was certainly biased in favor of men's rights/RP ideas. See this review: http://www.villagevoice.com/film/warning-you-cant-unsee-the-red-pill-the-documentary-about-a-filmmaker-who-learns-to-love-mras-9172459
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 05:14 PM
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Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 04:41 PM
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That would make the question seem more leading. I decided against that so I could hear how they thought without any of my bias getting in the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 04:16 PM
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Huh. Interesting take. What makes you think men are the rich/beautiful person in this analogy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 04:07 PM
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I would not phrase like this, because in terms of 'privilege' men still have all of those concrete markers of it -- unique ''issues'' perhaps? What do you mean by this, specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 04:04 PM
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I don't think this is the place for this line of questioning. This subreddit is for debating and discussing red pill ideas, not randomly naming signs that a woman is problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 03:55 AM
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Well, if you're going to allow the entirely subjective opinions of a group of people who are biased in the direction of opposites attracting, that's up to you. I just don't think this is good methodology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 03:02 AM
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None of us are qualified to comment on the subject, given our limited realms of personal experience. There's no good answer to this question, and I'm not sure how it's related to the red pill to begin with nvm that last.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 02:57 AM
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Get your trolling out of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 02:49 AM
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He started it. This is one of the worst posts I've seen on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 02:01 AM
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Are you kidding? He has a whole example of RP making a woman like him! I'm changing my flair as we speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 01:57 AM
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This is a response to a strawman. Blue pillers don't believe that red pill tactics will fail 100% of the time. Try it on enough targets and eventually it will work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 01:47 AM
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I can see the point you're trying to make: if a man did that, it would be creepy. Gotta agree, men are expected to want it, and thus, sexual assault by women goes by the wayside. Oh, and this is absolutely sexual assault. She has no way to guarantee that those men want to be sidled up on by some random woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/17 02:44 PM
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This seems to be the only explanation I can think of. Such is the regrettable fallibility of statistics. Shame they're the best resource we've got for establishing patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/17 02:36 AM
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It means having to qualify a lot of statements or setup a really good context first before targeting the issue so there is less room for straw type interpretations. I feel you hit the nail on the head on this one. I have a lot of trouble when I try to establish that context, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/17 02:31 AM
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No. I've got female friends with whom a relationship would be impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 11:29 PM
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Ooh, am I one?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 09:22 PM
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Age 19. Asked a girl out who I thought I might like, and it was as easy as that. I'm not even much of a looker, too (working on that). We ate, and talked about ourselves, what we liked our majors, etc. I tried to talk her out of liking doctor who (to no avail.) She tried to teach me the basics of art (didn't remember a thing lol). In the end, we ended up not having enough in common. Neither of us called back. Ah well. Maybe next time. It didn't really shape my views on women, except as further c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 09:19 PM
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You're kidding, right? We lack intellectual integrity because we don't want to discuss every topic at all points in time? It takes time and energy to keep up with all the debates one is involved in. Sometimes I don't have enough of either to spare.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 02:37 PM
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What if my anecdotal evidence is affected by confirmation bias, and the only instances I take notice of are the ones that match my viewpoints?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 03:14 AM
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Don't wanna get into that in this thread. It's late, and I can post other threads when I'm ready to discuss those topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 03:09 AM
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You can not "debunk" The Red Pill, it is simply a description based on pragmatic reality. The underlying theory is descriptions. I disagree. I think many of the conclusions they come to are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 03:07 AM
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So? What if you coincidentally lived in a social group of women who liked feminine looking men? Your anecdotal experience would've been wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 03:06 AM
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I find actual research more convincing. Social sciences are an immensely complicated study, but put in the effort and you'll find plenty of statistics and science that either support or debunk TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 02:55 AM
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Is this the wrong thread? I don't see the relevance
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 02:20 AM
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My point is Theredpill is more accurate when you make the statement women have the drive to be hypergamous, rather than just stating women are hypergamous. Occam's Razor states that maybe the women who don't act hypergamous... aren't hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 01:29 AM
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It's quite possible that they may have hid those traits until the relationship got older. In fact, this is a common theme in many abusive relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 10:56 PM
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Yeah, yeah, the old "everyone who disagrees with me must be an idiot" argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 08:42 PM
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I disagree. See, I already know most if not all of the TRP ideas, and those are what PPD discusses the merits of. I'm learning the linesnof reasoning that lead people to TRP conclusions, but no new mindsets themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 08:32 PM
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Yeah. Post quality is definitely a problem. Lots of people will make assumptions without anything to back it, vitriol is an uncommon theme in the discussion (I'm guilty too, and working on that), leading questions, etc. As for what mods can do about it: nothing, really. If you tried to filter out posts of low quality, we wouldn't have any.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 06:20 PM
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I was being sarcastic. Rude of me, tbh, but I wanted to illustrate why I find personal accounts in the PPD setting unreliable. We're all biased, and therefore each anecdote is vulnerable to that bias. For that reason, they're not viable evidence. Also you need a larger sample size than anecdotes can provide to establish a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 05:15 PM
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The data in that source disproves the idea that dread is needed to maintain a relationship without cheating. The stat in question that does this is that only 68% of women would cheat if they knew they wouldn't be caught. This means 32% would not cheat even if dread weren't applied at all. Now you might be thinking: doesn't this mean the majority of women will require dread to remain loyal? No. Look at the data on those who cheat during their married lives. For women, it's a mere 14%. This sugges…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 04:58 PM
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Think there's been a misinterpretation. I'm not saying men are more immoral than women, I'm saying women are generally moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 04:36 PM
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Check out these hot stats bro http://www.statisticbrain.com/infidelity-statistics/ It's less than ideal, as I'm short on time and can't find the AP data this was supposedly based on, but it's something Moreno than personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 04:21 PM
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I suppose it helps with that. Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 04:13 PM
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Gotta disagree. But that's what this place is all about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 04:08 PM
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Wait, my personal experience is viable evidence? Sweet! Here's my completely unbiased and entirely truthful experience with women reacting to dread. Every day, I see dread taking place on the streets as men with girlfriends flirt with and grope other women in front of their s/o. Each and every time, the woman immediately breaks up with the guy and swears to join the feminist imperative. There. Dread disproven.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 04:05 PM
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Gotta provide evidence besides your personal experience. This is a debate subreddit. You need more here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 03:58 PM
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I thought Hollywood logic suggested that it's men who can't commit. Also, isn't a large portion of TRP against marriage/LTRs?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 03:57 PM
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Not much, really. This isn't a place where people learn of new viewpoints, it's a place where people debate viewpoints that are already understood. Only new thing I've figured out here is that TRPers have an extremely diverse array of interpretations of TRP maxims.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 03:55 PM
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Or maybe women are just generally not assholes and won't cheat because it immoral to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 03:52 PM
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This, I think, should be the top answer. It's the most similar to the general views I see over at the blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:58 PM
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First off, that's a bit of a strawman. I doubt any bloop here would tell you that men and women have the exact same brain. Second, the matter of the ratio of nature vs nurture in brain development is still a matter of debate. This article does nothing for us but confirm that there are differences, but the severity of them remains unknown to those of us who aren't both statisticians and neuroscientists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:01 PM
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I meant relatively speaking. Most of the time, nobody here provides evidence of anything and just expects you to take their word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 02:24 AM
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Essentially, yes. We can't know for sure that this supports TRP until someone explains it in English.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:54 AM
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This is a criticism of evidence used in a previous post aiming to prove TRP ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:53 AM
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I can't help that. I'm a part of a system that's too big to evade. No matter who I buy from, no matter where I go, my decisions will hurt somebody in the long run. But you... The choice is right in front of you. Hurt this person for my own benefit, or don't. You have the option. I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:08 AM
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... one anecdotal account isn't nearly enough to convince anyone. You're in a debate subreddit. You need evidence to support your claims here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:05 AM
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The fact that dread may turn some women off is irrelevent, as they are a small minority and don't represent the general woman. Gotta have some evidence for that. I can't just take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:48 AM
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When someone doesn't take the pain of others into account when making a decision, I can't change his/her mind. That's that. What I can do is tell you my opinion of it. You're filth. A fucking degenerate. The lowest of the low. You're the worst of the scum that collects in the backwater of the human race. The world would be better off without you. You're a monster. I hope it catches up to you someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:35 AM
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Hey, I wanted to get back to this. The hurting that I'm talking about was stated in the OP: dread causes an aura of fear and uncertainty. As for the dressing up comparison; it depends on the motivation. If she's doing it specifically to make him jealous, then she is applying dread, and this is immoral. If she's doing it for him, it isn't. If the guy receives it as dread, and she doesn't mean to dread him, it's up to the guy to communicate this, and then talk it out from there. As for the point a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 05:28 PM
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I would argue that dread doesn't manipulate attraction: it instead relies on attraction that is already there. After all, if she wasn't attracted to you, why would she care that you flirt with other women? Also, why is she still in the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 05:18 PM
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Blue, 20, male, secular humanism (tips fedora), 100 horse size horses (but I get a machine gun), and my beliefs and my pill match imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 05:02 PM
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Knowing he's doing something wrong, and not caring. It's actually a common RP theme. One of their biggest arguments for dread that I saw when I posted about it was that they'd benefit, so they really don't care about the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 05:00 PM
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First off, I'm still of the opinion that the conditions that would create passive dread aren't based in reality. Second, even if they were, passive dread (from either gender) can't be avoided, and therefore can't be immoral. Just unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 05:11 PM
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There's a difference. Making your expectations absolutely clear allows you to communicate what you want, and attempt to get it, rather than setting up a fog of fear and uncertainty. There's no ambiguity involved with an ultimatum, just outcome a and outcome b. It becomes a negotiation rather than coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 05:09 PM
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I didn't say it would work. Heck, dread may be even more effective than an ultimatum in getting what you want from her. What I'm arguing is that the ultimatum is moral, while dread is not. Intentionally hurting her to 'save' a relationship is not one worth saving, or at least not for her. For her, it will always be a game of catch-up; doing things for her in a frenzied effort to keep a sinking boat over the water. It's wrong to inflict that on someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:51 PM
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You still haven't addressed the fact that women dread men differently. Did so! I argued that that dread is unfounded, as the conditions that supposedly make it a reality are based on false assumptions. Then it's not men's fault women feel "dread" from their overt actions. My point was that an unintended negative result cannot be called a moral wrongdoing, as the person who supposedly caused it had no intention to do so. Overtly attempting to inflict dread, however, is a moral wrong, as it was in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:48 PM
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How exactly are you defining "hostile"? This is another thing that is very subjective in this context. Hurting her to get what you want. All I'm saying is this, if you think the treatment is so bad you're describing it as "hostile" and "abuse" then that's a pretty obvious signal it's time to get up out of there ASAP, surely? Huh? This seems exactly in line with what I think. Am I misinterpreting? What point are you making here? What specifically are you referring to as emotional abuse? Tactics d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:42 PM
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I think you missed the point of my argument. I'm not saying that your love her unconditionally, as love is by nature conditional. I'm saying that dread is an immoral tactic to employ.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:26 PM
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"You will do what I want and give me what I want, when I want. Because we both know that if you don't, I will not have sex with you. i'll break up with you and i'll be able to replace you whenever I want. You, on the other hand, will have to take months, maybe years, before you'll EVER get anything again. And we BOTH know it." Got some assumptions going on here. One, that women won't compromise on what they want from the relationship, and two, that women will immediately punish you with less/no …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:22 PM
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By instilling a sense of fear and insecurity about the stability of the relationship. I went over this in the original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:09 PM
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No it doesn't. It implies a generally agreed upon moral rule: don't hurt others to get what you want. You can't just go "morality is subjective, therefore all moral criticism is invalid" whenever you get a moral criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:06 PM
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Never did I say that applying these tactics is okay if a woman does it. It's not. For either sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:05 PM
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You can't ask someone or tell someone to change the way they feel about you. I had a different point. Dread isn't aimed at changing how someone feels about you, it's intended to elicit different types of behavior. At her expense. You are implying that a person is instantly and forever satisfied the moment they start a relationship or not. This is a falsehood. I disagree. I'm suggesting that it's best to make your expectations for the relationship clear from the beginning, not that a relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:03 PM
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So you admit dread is immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 04:00 PM
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This is why I specified that only higher levels of dread are immoral. I was hoping to avoid this response by making that clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 03:59 PM
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Except adults are adults, many people can actually handle a bit of 'dread' and in fact respond well to it To me, this is no different from saying "except adults are adults; many people can actually handle a little bit of beating and in fact respond well to it." Dread, or the higher levels, are meant to actively instill a sense of fear and insecurity. It's meant to hurt, so you can get what you want, and to hell with how it affects her. Part of being actually in love is sometimes being insecure, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 03:58 PM
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Keep in mind, this is intended to be a reaction to a neglectful wife. Intention to have a sex filled marriage has been, as you say, made clear from the beginning. It still didn't happen? Then this is what you do. No. It isn't. You make it clear; issue the ultimatum. I want x from you in this relationship, and if you can't give it, I'm out. The problem with dread is that it's intended to hurt your s/o in order to get what you want from her, even if it's something she doesn't want to give.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 03:50 PM
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I specified "hostile manipulation" on purpose to avoid this rebuttal. The intention is to hurt your s/o to get what you want from her. If you don't like how your partner is treating you, fucking leave. This ain't the 1950's, you ain't stuck with the guy. Agreed. If she won't have sex with you enough, or isn't the submissive wife you want, leave. Don't resort to emotional abuse. As for the "morality is subjective" tangent, you can't just throw up your hands and go "no objective morality" when som…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 03:47 PM
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The worst type of monster is the one who's a villain in his own story.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/17 03:43 PM
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Aw yeah. Sources. Evidence. This is what I've been waiting for! Just give me about six months to go through it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/17 11:53 PM
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C'mon, just say what we all know you're thinking. "People know TRP is right, they just choose not to believe it cause they don't like the red pill."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 04:31 PM
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Rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 03:03 PM
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I think you'd be surprised. I've been able to find evidence for and against many TRP strategies and ideas. All you gotta do is get to the bedrock of their idea, and search for the assumptions causing the actions. Edit: Also, Rosaria's Fingers for lyfe
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 02:22 AM
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Rather than answer my question, you've chosen to present an argument for why women should be treated like children. Save it for another day, man. I'll post my argument soon, and only then should we engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 02:17 AM
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Nothing more then the personal experiences of a group of people right? Usually, but they're much more likely to be true, as the people involved in the study have no conflict of interest affecting their recounting. And there are other studies based on asking specific questions designed to tease out viewpoints, irrespective of their attempts to hide them. Well, if one study is done in California and one is done in rural Texas, do you think the results will be the same? Depends on the nature of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 02:14 AM
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Yes, in a subreddit about debate, personal experience is not enough. I could just make something up that supports my argument, and in most cases, a single piece of anecdotal evidence, even if true, is far from enough to suggest a pattern. We're trying to convince people of drastically different viewpoints. Evidence of the highest caliber should go without saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 02:05 AM
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HugMonkey was taken
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 02:02 AM
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Here's a study supporting the idea of men being more likely to take risks. It seems reliable, as it was conducted by a professor at the University of California. And a consultant of some sort. http://journal.sjdm.org/jdm06016.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 01:53 AM
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... No offense, but wow this is a bad argument. Like, jeez man. I've never seen anything like it. Lemme point out all the nonsense here. 1: What possible connection could there be between physical pain tolerance and cognitive dissonance 2: You need to provide evidence that women have a higher pain tolerance to begin with 3: You need to prove that this tolerance is a significant enough percentage to be meaningful. Also, don't forget #1 4: Even if I accepted that women could handle higher levels o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 01:21 AM
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We're not pretending. Feminism seeks equal opportunity and fair treatment: just specifically for women. It focuses on areas where women are oppressed, or suffer more difficulty than men (slut vs stud mentality, for example). The idea isn't for women to rise above men, it's for them to rise up to them. I'll be the first to say that men's right and issues are important too, but they're just not part of what the feminist movement is trying to accomplish (for the most part. Feminists can often be se…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 06:16 PM
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They won’t get a straight answer. Women are “on the fly” with their current needs. Only their epiphany phase shows any foresight that approaches similar to male foresight. A.k.a men and women think and speak differently That's something you've gotta prove. Suggesting that all things women say about their preferences can't be trusted is straight up nonsense without evidence backing it. I disagree. Women are more naturally RP. Like a poker game, they aren’t going to overtly show their hand. Then t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 06:11 PM
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Uh... there's no available evidence for or against your theory, and no feasible way to test it. The only reasonable answer is "I don't know."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:46 AM
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It doesn't necessarily lead to immorality, but if a situation arises where it would be to one's benefit to wrong another, an amoral person would take that opportunity. Amorality isn't immorality, but it will often lead to it. Think of all the amorality among those we consider villains. Nestle's more repugnant corporate maneuvers were certainly based in amorality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:33 AM
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I disagree. I think TRP methodology is usually specific enough to be classified as moral or immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:31 AM
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I think the abuser is to blame. While it would be best for women to be able to recognize bad relationship situations and avoid them, blaming them for the actions of their oppressor is just victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:30 AM
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And I suppose your opinion is somehow fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:28 AM
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Gotta disagree. But that's a whole 'nother debate in itself, and I don't wanna get into that right now. Maybe another time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 01:28 AM
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I was less concerned about moral constraints and more concerned about whether an action is immoral or not. Generally, humanity has defined morality as actions that do or do not infringe upon the rights each human must have to pursue happiness. My point about enforcing them was just an example of our collective mindset on these rights. Morals exist because they benefit humanity as a whole; it's how we evolved. Without those morals, we'd fight among ourselves like animals. To purposely act without…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 11:55 PM
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I don't think that analogy fits. Trp strategy, in my opinion, tends to be specific enough to label as moral or immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 11:45 PM
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I think some of it is more obvious than this. While there is no objective morality, humanity as a whole tries to define it in a way the collectively benefits us all, and then enforces laws to uphold these values. For example: most humans don't want to be murdered. So, we collectively set up a force of police to prevent people from being murdered and to punish those who commit murders.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 11:23 PM
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i think when they talk about amorality, they (generally) mean something more along the lines of "guns don't kill, people do", suggesting that the set of rules/instructions is not to blame for how it is used, only the user. Yeah, this is the gist of what I'm getting from the TRPers that have replied so far. But this, to me, isn't as neutral as guns are, as TRP strategies are often specific enough to be categorized as moral or immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 11:20 PM
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Extreme physical force or threats thereof is not a strategy. I think it is. An extremely immoral and ineffective one, and certainly not one TRP would endorse, but a strategy nonetheless. Guess we just disagree on terms here. We're at an impasse on this point. Casual dating is a strategy. Oh, I see. That's a bit vague though, and I working with the assumption that TRP sexual strategy is based more in specifics (like how to interact with women on said casual date).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 11:15 PM
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Yeesh. You remind me of Heath Ledger's Joker. But no, I was assuming you meant that: If acting amorally (and therefore immorally) grants the highest chance of sex, then it is the victim's fault for being attracted to amoral individuals, and the amoral person shoulders no responsibility or blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 11:11 PM
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I'll start with a basic one. Both parties expect to benefit from the relationship, so putting work into your relationship to provide something is a requirement. It would be immoral to simply expect your partner to do all the work; to keep themselves happy while also keeping you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 11:08 PM
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I think each strategy is either moral or immoral in itself. Extreme physical threats or action, for example, is almost objectively immoral (and probably ineffective as well). Working out to make yourself more attractive to the other sex, for an opposite example, infringes on nobody's rights, and is therefore moral. I'm hard pressed to imagine a strategy that could be used both morally and immorally. Can you think of any?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 11:05 PM
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So, the subreddit will share whatever method believed to lead to sex, regardless of whether it's moral or immoral? Therefore, if an immoral strategy believed to lead to sex were discovered, it would be okay to post it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 10:59 PM
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Are you suggesting that morality plays no part in romantic relationships? Because if you are, I would tell you that that's insane. Morality plays a part in all human interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 10:55 PM
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Then it happened to lead to a moral method. Good. But morality is what's expected; what's right. An amoral person will do whatever benefits them the most, whether it's immoral or moral. Thus, acting morally will always be preferential to acting amorally.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 10:53 PM
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Amorality must lead to morality, and is therefore moral in itself. I don't understand what you mean by this, and how it relates to your example. Would you mind elaborating?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 10:50 PM
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Not true. We just had different moral values. It's only natural that two groups with opposing moral values will clash and call each other the evil ones (though I try to avoid this).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 10:49 PM
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By the logic you use to call it immoral, I can also call it moral. I'm confused by this part of your post. Could you further explain what you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 10:46 PM
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Right, that's one of the other explanations I've heard for TRP methods. Women all like it. I'll contest this another time, when I've got some research together.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 10:45 PM
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So, what I'm getting from your comment is that the problem is not with the one committing the amoral (and therefore, immoral, at some point), but instead with the ones who are pulled in by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 10:44 PM
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What I'm interpreting from this is that the red pill will teach you how to have sex, but not concern itself with the morality of the process. This, to me, means that if an immoral and successful method of having sex were to be found, the red pill would teach it. Have I got this right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 10:41 PM
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Yeah. Perhaps making some sort of survey might be the best way to go here. Odds are studies related to this don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 04:16 PM
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I know. I'm saying that attributing that specific motivation to all men who believe in female privilege requires evidence. There's any number of other causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 03:53 PM
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Honestly this is quite a wild claim. You can't just go and assign this motivation to those that believe in female privilege without some evidence to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 03:40 PM
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So basically... your justification for making an assumption based on nothing... is that it's not a scientific paper. You are literally using "because I say so" as evidence for a claim on a subreddit made specifically for debate. Listen. You wanna have a discussion about a tendency of women? That's fine. But first you have to prove that that tendency exists at all, and is as widespread as you say it is. And to do that, you're gunna need some evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 03:26 PM
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There are hundreds of other reasons that could possibly explain this and you've latched on to one despite having no evidence to support it. This isn't good reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 01:19 PM
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Congrats... you have exactly one example of "orbiting" that may or may not have been motivated by sex that may or may not have actually happened. Truly convincing evidence you've got there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 01:14 PM
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You can't just dismiss my point like that. Burden of proof's on you here. Step up and provide, or I'll assume you pulled this idea out of nowhere, as will everyone else who doesn't already agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 01:10 PM
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Most of the time, probably. But sometimes a less conventionally attractive guy will win out, as not all women are after the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 07:16 AM
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Preference shaming, as you call it, is bad coming from either gender. But you're going to need some proof before you claim that it's more likely to come from women, and even then, you'd have to prove a significant percentage of them think this way in order for it to have any impact on how we see women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/17 07:14 AM
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This is a completely wild claim with absolutely no proof backing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 04:49 AM
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Filth.
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