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Ugh, I listened to the first 4 minutes and he didn't say one thing of value. I don't have patience for those kinds of videos.
/r/MGTOW201/08/21 08:37 PM
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I applaud you -- I think you're making good life choices. I had a similar mindset to you when I was 18. However, by age 28 the lack of female companionship became a real problem for me. It severely impacted my ability to work and hold down a job. So, once you notice yourself starting to feel starved for physical touch, or intimate companionship, don't ignore that. Find some way to get those needs met on a reliable basis without marriage or cohabitation. Or, maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones …
/r/MGTOW230/06/21 07:27 PM
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I'm able to get emotional intimacy by seeing a good professional cuddler regularly.
/r/MGTOW229/05/21 05:20 PM
5

You don't get rid of desire. You build up enough wealth so you can have your desires safely satisfied at a cost that's nothing more than pocket change to you.
/r/MGTOW213/05/21 10:16 PM
2

This is really wise. Men think they want a woman but what they really want is the sex and physical affection. It's important to keep aware of the distinction.
/r/MGTOW224/04/21 06:25 PM
1

No -- chances of getting HIV from straight sex while wearing a condom are so low it's not a risk worth considering. Can't live one's life constantly in fear of minute risks.
/r/MGTOW224/04/21 05:53 PM
1

For me, if my primary focus isn't going to be on family, then, yeah, it's kind of important to have a job that's meaningful. I'm lucky to have that. Doing my job as well as it can be done does give me a sense of purpose and meaning. Even though most people probably don't think of developing accounting software for a large corporation as meaningful. But making sure all the money goes to the right places really is pretty important.
/r/MGTOW229/03/21 06:58 PM
1

The goal is not to make broad sweeping changes on society, the goal is to provide information for those who seek it.
/r/MGTOW228/03/21 06:11 PM
2

What a nightmare. The one time that happened to me she agreed to take the plan B meds.
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 08:46 PM
2

No, I think it's more that women are attracted to dominance than they are attracted to bad boys. It's just that almost nothing screams dominance more than being able to break society's rules. Of course, the fact that they're in prison shows that they didn't really get away with it, but women probably see the prison term as just a temporary setback their dominant guy is going thru -- and some vulnerability in a dominant guy makes him even more attractive.
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 08:36 PM
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It seems clear to me that if any "hate" crime is involved here, it's hatred of sex workers. But that's the one hatred that's still OK, so no one wants to talk about that. Instead, it's become a hate crime against Asians.
/r/MGTOW224/03/21 04:26 PM
1

I can see where a dispute might arise as to who owns the in-home theatre that was purchased while living together, that sort of thing.
/r/MGTOW224/03/21 05:12 AM
1

I agree with you on this. I think cohabitation is OK if it's in a place where there is no recognition of it being a "common law" marriage, and she's willing to sign a cohabitation agreement ahead of time making it very clear there will be no on-going financial obligations: https://minellalawgroup.com/blog/dont-wait-to-protect-your-assets-with-an-enforceable-cohabitation-agreement/
/r/MGTOW223/03/21 09:34 PM
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Yes, escorts are a good alternative to traditional relationships but you have to have a large enough income stream to be able to afford the escorts that can give you a good GFE (Girlfriend Experience), and still be able to continue building wealth.
/r/MGTOW217/03/21 05:38 PM
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I agree, but that's not the way the title is worded. The title asks if every man should become MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW216/03/21 09:47 PM
9

It wouldn't really be "going your own way" if it's forced upon you.
/r/MGTOW216/03/21 09:33 PM
1

What you say is true, but it doesn't cause me to lose respect for women. That would be like losing respect for a zebra because it's not a tiger. It's a male fantasy that we be loved unconditionally by a woman, and it's not fair to women to expect them to live up to that fantasy.
/r/MGTOW216/03/21 08:33 PM
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Because interacting with another human being at that level of intimacy does release feel-good chemicals into the bloodstream that fapping does not.
/r/MGTOW211/03/21 06:34 PM
2

This comment makes me think of the musical group ABBA. The two marriages fell apart in fairly short order, but the two men have continued their friendship and bond for over 50 years: https://www.icethesite.com/2016/06/benny-and-bjorn-celebrate-50-years-of-musical-collaboration-and-friendship/
/r/MGTOW205/03/21 03:24 AM
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Yeah, finding effective and sustainable ways to combat loneliness is an important aspect of MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW223/02/21 09:19 PM
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I see both hookers and professional cuddlers. And with the hookers I don't leave right after I cum -- I like to spend time with her and develop a relationship afterwards -- makes it a lot more rewarding and satisfying.
/r/MGTOW222/02/21 12:03 AM
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Yes, the sexual imperatives of both genders are at odds with each other. Women want a dependable beta male type man to build a nest with to raise her children, yet she also wants to be impregnated by the superior genes of an alpha male. Men want to have a chaste woman who raises his kids who live in his household, but he also wants to have sex with as many other women as possible to spread his genes. I don't see any win-win situation with these two competing sexual imperatives. In the past, life…
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 08:05 PM
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On this forum, MGTOW means don't marry and don't cohabitate, simple as that.
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 07:55 PM
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I voted other: I think it's likely we're living in a simulation, and we can choose to move to a different simulation in the next lifetime if we want. A lot of spirituality is true in the sense that we can reach out to other consciousness in other simulations (or maybe even the base reality) for help in growing spiritually faster in this simulation.
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 03:08 AM
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Charlie stole that line from Clark Gable.
/r/MGTOW212/02/21 07:11 PM
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If the average street walker sex worker looked even half as good as the woman in the photo in the article, men would find a way to legalize street sex. Women who are that attractive are high end call girls.
/r/MGTOW202/02/21 09:00 PM
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You find escorts on various web sites where they place ads. Due diligence includes checking to make sure they have some good reviews on a web site somewhere. I would have to say many escorts, maybe even most, are sketchy, in that it's obvious they don't really want to be doing it. Take the time to keep trying various providers until you find one who can really do a good job the entire time you're with her, and you can develop some sort of connection with. They are out there in the USA, but it ta…
/r/MGTOW201/02/21 12:31 AM
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Yes, the legal Nevada brothels are awful. That's why I'm against legalizing prostitution, and in favor of decriminalizing it like they do in New Zealand.
/r/MGTOW201/02/21 12:28 AM
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OK, so you can be successful with game. But I'm guessing you don't like that for some reason?
/r/MGTOW231/01/21 08:12 PM
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Yes, having genuine desire from a woman is better, but it never lasts, and then most likely you are trapped in a situation where you can't get your needs met, and it costs at least half of everything you've worked for (if you're lucky) to get out of the situation. If you have a strong mission or purpose in life, the lack of genuine desire from a woman just isn't a problem. Although, I can understand a young guy who's never experienced it really wanting to know what's it like.
/r/MGTOW231/01/21 07:29 PM
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Find an escort, sugar baby, and professional cuddler you can develop an ongoing connection with. Have a mission in your life, and friends to hang out with, to occupy your thoughts and time when you're not with them. EDIT: Add professional cuddler
/r/MGTOW230/01/21 09:28 PM
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This is the best response I've ever read to the "I don't want to die alone" idiocy.
/r/MGTOW230/01/21 08:55 PM
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Find other types of relationships to fill that emptiness besides having a spouse. Trust me, it can be done.
/r/MGTOW230/01/21 08:25 PM
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Gad, there has to be some way to tell guys that patronize women like her that there are ways to get WAY more value for your money.
/r/MGTOW230/01/21 07:40 PM
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In what country are you most likely to find someone who can speak passable English?
/r/MGTOW229/01/21 06:56 PM
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I'm 61, didn't find out about MGTOW and Red Pill until 3 years ago, unfortunately. I've lost a fortune to women because of that lack of knowledge (and lack of knowledge about how to be successfully single), but fortunately I'm in good health so I can keep working and improving to rebuild my wealth.
/r/MGTOW222/01/21 07:36 PM
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What is TFM?
/r/MGTOW221/01/21 08:05 PM
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Oxytocin and the need for it are very real things, so find what works for you. Very important message. See professional cuddlers weekly works for me, but I'm older so the sexual frustration it creates is manageable, plus I do see an escort once a month to relieve that frustration.
/r/MGTOW217/01/21 08:06 PM
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The fact that you've had "plenty of chances" probably has a lot to do with your lack of anger.
/r/MGTOW208/01/21 09:43 PM
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Another aspect is that there is so little information available on how to be single and happy. If guys knew how to live successfully as a single person, hardly any would marry in the current environment unless they wanted kids.
/r/MGTOW204/01/21 07:15 PM
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There are many causes of procrastination, there's no one simple answer. Anyone would need to know a lot more about your situation to give good advice.
/r/MGTOW229/12/20 05:53 PM
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I was living in my van pre-covid in Los Angeles. I found a good spot to park overnight where it is legal to do so according to the city codes. The spot is just two blocks from the office where I work, and I have 24 hour access to the office which has a full kitchen and plenty of fridge and freezer space. That makes living in a van easy since all I need it for is a place to sleep or maybe watch some TV that isn't safe for work. I shower at a local gym. Works great, saves me about $1600 a month in…
/r/MGTOW227/12/20 09:52 PM
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Yeah, I tried the pet thing first -- didn't work out for me.
/r/MGTOW227/12/20 05:10 AM
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I'm 61 and being MGTOW only becomes easier and more rewarding as I age.
/r/MGTOW226/12/20 08:46 PM
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Cuddling with someone like that is going to cost $80 to $100 an hour, in most markets where professional cuddlers are working.
/r/MGTOW217/12/20 05:34 AM
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Yes, a really high quality post.
/r/MGTOW216/12/20 07:16 PM
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Sure, I miss the physical contact every day. But the occasional discomfort of not having a hug/cuddle when I'd like it is well worth it to gain MGTOW freedom.
/r/MGTOW216/12/20 01:55 AM
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Yes, long term care insurance is WAY cheaper than marriage.
/r/MGTOW214/12/20 07:39 PM
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It's just insane how much money most women want to spend on housing.
/r/MGTOW210/12/20 10:51 PM
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MGTOW didn't change my political views. I'm libertarian, except that I support UBI (Universal Basic Income) if it replaces all forms of government aid we have now. With UBI, people no longer have any excuse for not being able to be successful.
/r/MGTOW210/12/20 06:50 PM
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The sex workers I see now manage their money well, they have no need for any additional financial favors. However, it took me a long time to find providers that have their life together. If things change and she starts hitting me up for financial favors then I stop seeing her. Admittedly, I've learned this the hard way -- 25 years ago I let a hooker I was seeing convert our relationship into a sugar daddy/sugar baby arrangement. Big mistake, I won't do that again. As for being a "love trick", ye…
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 08:32 PM
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So long as you don't marry, don't cohabitate, don't create any kind of legal liability to her, and don't financially support her in any way, you're MGTOW. Congratulations on your find.
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 06:26 PM
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Yes, that's been my experience too. And there's no need to "dump" them (as in pump and dump), you can continue to see a provider for a long time, forming a connection that is better and longer lasting than one could get by pumping and dumping. It's not the kind of connection one might get from dating, but it's one hell of lot less risky, and it's enough to satisfy my desire for human connection, which is all that really matters for me.
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 04:25 AM
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I had the same thoughts as you when I was 20 (I'm now 61), except that I didn't have plans to travel a lot. I did have plans to build a good career, which I accomplished by my late 20's. But by age 30 the lack of physical affection and sex became so painful and depressing I couldn't work enough to keep advancing in my career, so it is important to know how to get those needs met. I eventually found that the way to meet those needs is by developing a good connection with professional cuddlers and…
/r/MGTOW204/12/20 07:15 PM
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I think the lesson here is you shouldn't get into a fight with a stranger, then leave him/her in your home alone after you leave your own home.
/r/MGTOW204/12/20 06:19 PM
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Doing great since I see the same professional cuddlers and escorts on a regular basis.
/r/MGTOW203/12/20 09:37 PM
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The lack of touch (e.g. cuddling) and the lack of intimacy eventually becomes physically painful, which made it so difficult for me to work I ended having difficulty staying employed.
/r/MGTOW203/12/20 09:27 PM
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Good luck to you. All I can say from my own experience is that the first 10 years of monk mode isn't so bad, but after that it starts to get pretty tough.
/r/MGTOW203/12/20 08:38 PM
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There are lots of liberals who are also quite libertarian-leaning, meaning that don't think any consenting behavior is the business of the government. This is why liberals have driven gay rights, sex worker rights, drug-use decriminalization, etc. So lumping all liberals into the "anti-individual" camp is not accurate. There are both libertarian liberals and authoritarian liberals. EDIT: Add drug-use decriminalization.
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 08:59 PM
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The escorts I see ask what I want, and do their best to provide that. I don't ask them to act like they're experiencing a lot of sexual pleasure, I like to keep it real. But they're always happy to try new positions, role play scenes, etc. And they genuinely seem to be doing their best to meet my needs during the time we have together, which makes it just as real as any dating relationship, except for the overall amount of time spent together. And I actually prefer spending less time with women,…
/r/MGTOW227/11/20 04:09 AM
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Because MGTOW enables me to live so frugally, I have plenty of money to enjoy (a very time limited) ongoing relationship with some of the hottest escorts on the planet -- no way I could experience that if I was doing traditional dating.
/r/MGTOW226/11/20 01:50 AM
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Yes, very difficult not to follow your biological imperative when all of society tells you it's OK to do so. Same would be true for men -- we'd probably work like crazy to create our own harem if society encouraged us to do that.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 02:34 AM
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Just because a woman intellectually agrees with MGTOW it doesn't mean she'll be able to override the emotional energy that's hard wired within her to pursue the feminine imperative. So, no, I don't think it's wise to "trust" them -- if by trusting them you mean it's OK to marry or cohabitate with them.
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 07:35 PM
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I'm happy with being loved conditionally.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 09:12 PM
1

Sure, just Google it.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 08:50 PM
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I tend to agree with you, especially for those of us who aren't in monk mode and have relationships with women from time to time. It's not just "sinister" women we need to be concerned about -- it's the female imperative that often drives their behavior unconsciously. EDIT: Add another sentence.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 08:05 PM
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Yes, this is a very important distinction. In my late 30's I had lots of sex with different escorts, but was still unhappy because there was no intimacy. Now that I've found 3 good escorts who provide a GFE (girlfriend experience), I feel truly satisfied seeing an escort once a month, and also seeing a professional cuddler weekly who also provides emotional intimacy and physical touch. There is absolutely no need for dating or marriage in order to get that human need for intimacy met, even when …
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 05:54 PM
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Lack of respect for men is everywhere in the media right now. Men are portrayed as laughing stock over and over again in commercials, TV shows, and movies. That flows down into real relationships in everyday life -- hard to find a woman who has any respect for men at this point.
/r/MGTOW220/11/20 05:23 PM
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My kids are adopted.
/r/MGTOW220/11/20 05:16 PM
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Yes, I always knew I marriage and family wasn't for me, from age 20 on. However, I didn't expect that lack of female companionship would become so difficult by my late 20's, so I ended up getting married anyway at age 32. It was a disaster and I was divorced 4 years later -- no kids from that marriage. But I still couldn't figure out how to get my need for female companionship met while single, so I got married again 4 years after that. This time I ended up with kids, and waited 14 years to get …
/r/MGTOW217/11/20 05:24 PM
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Yes, you definitely need a sample size larger than 1 before deciding all of the risks of marriage are worth this one possible benefit, which may or may not materialize in any given marriage (most likely will not materialize). Instead of spending all of your money on a marriage, sock it away and get long term care insurance when you reach the appropriate age.
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 11:47 PM
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I started hiring prostitutes in my late 30's, and it didn't work out -- didn't quite know how to do it well. I started hiring again in my late 50's, and it has worked out great. The trick for me is to find some reliable providers who I can develop an ongoing connection with, and avoid getting into their personal life -- that's the mistake I made in my late 30's and one of them really drained me both financially and emotionally.
/r/MGTOW207/11/20 04:21 AM
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I'm lucky to have an interesting and challenging project at work: replacing a 30 year old IT application with current technology, which should make it run many times faster and make it much easier to find information needed by the business. The project also helps build my skills for the future to increase my earnings potential.
/r/MGTOW205/11/20 12:30 AM
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But Mormon marriages aren't locked -- the woman can invoke state law at any time and take half his stuff and require child support for years and years.
/r/MGTOW201/11/20 09:41 PM
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I dated a very conservative Christian woman for a while, and even though there was no sex she was very physically affectionate and a great cuddler. I noticed a felt a lot better every day in spite of the sexual frustration. So that taught me that physical affection and sex are two separate needs which can be fulfilled independently of each other.
/r/MGTOW201/11/20 09:39 PM
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Lots of guys are bitter because they believed: Just be who you are -- someone will love you forever just for that Be nice to a girl, give her what she wants, and she'll love you more and want to stay with you There's someone for everyone And other such blue-pilled nonsense. Then they find out it's not true, just the opposite is true, in fact. So they mistakenly blame women for not being that way, when the real blame should be on society for broadcasting those lies about the nature of women in th…
/r/MGTOW230/10/20 08:30 PM
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This is the mainstream church, where men are allowed only one wife.
/r/MGTOW229/10/20 06:48 PM
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I don't have to deal with the "what if" emotions since I've already been marred and divorce raped twice. All I feel when I see those photos is the amount of pain that's coming for the guy.
/r/MGTOW225/10/20 08:15 PM
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I find MGTOW to be MUCH easier in my 60's than it was in my 30's, since sexual urges are much easier to manage. If your health falters, there's no guarantee your family will be able to help.
/r/MGTOW225/10/20 08:09 PM
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I'm voting for Biden, mainly because Trump sets a bad example for a right-of-center candidate -- surely conservatives can do better.
/r/MGTOW223/10/20 04:48 PM
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Yes, when I was married and not getting enough physical affection and sex it was the worst. I truly was in chains because any approach to getting those needs met was very difficult (most women don't date married men) and frought with peril (wife finding out about me seeing professional cuddlers and escorts would be a shit-show). Marriage easily can trap you into a situation where it's impossible to get your needs met.
/r/MGTOW222/10/20 05:51 PM
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Women are superior in some ways (ability to do child care well), and inferior in other ways (jobs that require a lot of strength).
/r/MGTOW222/10/20 01:44 AM
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I think the chains of MGTOW are the occasional sense of loneliness and isolation, and the occasional unfulfilled craving for physical affection and sex. If one doesn't have a plan for getting those needs satiated when needed, it can lead to a dangerous downward spiral.
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 06:22 PM
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Always good to watch a video like this when the temporary down feelings of MGTOW hit. The solution society gives us is just a temporary fix, like drugs, with huge withdrawl pains afterwards.
/r/MGTOW217/10/20 11:15 PM
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Completing a difficult project at my job.
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 11:07 PM
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This is why I wonder if a man can really be MGTOW without falling at least once.
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 10:16 PM
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I don't like being around kids that much, I certainly don't like trying to figure out how to discipline them appropriately, and I don't need the huge financial risks that come with kids.
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 03:14 PM
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If having a dog provides enough companionship, go for it!
/r/MGTOW209/10/20 06:31 PM
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Yes, one of the best benefits of MGTOW. It just doesn't matter any more what Greek letter one is.
/r/MGTOW208/10/20 09:07 PM
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Not that I would ever get married again, but for guys crazy enough to try it, it's important to be able to see alpha tells and beta tells in a woman, so you know how she perceives you. Rollo talks about this every so often.
/r/MGTOW208/10/20 08:50 PM
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I'm doing what? Maybe you misunderstand -- I've learned the hard way the getting engaged is not something a guy should do.
/r/MGTOW207/10/20 08:16 PM
1

There's plenty of girls willing to cuddle for money. The problem is lack of demand, which I don't understand
/r/MGTOW207/10/20 08:03 PM
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Exactly. Which is why the whole point of this subreddit is to not get engaged.
/r/MGTOW207/10/20 12:37 AM
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Hard for an engaged guy who's getting lots of the best sex ever to believe this -- but I know from personal experience it's true.
/r/MGTOW206/10/20 11:35 PM
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I used to be a person that desperately wanted to be in a relationship. And I can attest that all of the things you say about that are true. What I didn't realize at the time is that it wasn't a relationship I wanted -- I just wanted lots of physical affection and some sex. Fortunately, that's now pretty easy to get with a modest income by hiring professional cuddlers and then a sex worker every so often. The affordable cuddling option wasn't available to me when I was desperate back in the 1990'…
/r/MGTOW206/10/20 10:46 PM
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Most good independent escorts in Las Vegas have an incall you can go to.
/r/MGTOW205/10/20 10:53 PM
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Or, he might be one of those guys who can honestly say that he pays them to leave.
/r/MGTOW205/10/20 09:08 PM
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Yes, that's my ideal of the MGTOW life.
/r/MGTOW205/10/20 06:51 PM
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Hmmm, that sounds like something different than Red Pill rage to me. Sounds like you're distrustful of everyone. Different issue.
/r/MGTOW230/09/20 10:17 PM
1

Can you describe what it is that creates the fear and rage for you?
/r/MGTOW230/09/20 10:02 PM
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I think the basic problem is that the Masculine Imperative and Feminine Imperative cannot be in a win-win situation. One has to win at the expense of the other. Marriage used to favor the Masculine Imperative (men could cheat on the side), and women just had to take it because they had no economic alternative. Now that they do, there is no longer a need for anyone to tolerate a losing situation, so marriage is falling apart.
/r/MGTOW230/09/20 08:19 PM
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I have no problem with hypergamy -- having a problem with it is as silly as having a problem with gravity -- it just is. I think some guys get upset about hypergamy because they have blue pill notions that a woman should just love them for who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 08:09 PM
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Yes, the kind of security each gender wants from the other is really different. Women want the economic security, men want affection and sexual security.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 08:05 PM
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Women look to men for security, men never look to women for security -- that's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 08:01 PM
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I treat women with respect, just like any other human being. That's why I hire sex workers rather than pump and dump.
/r/MGTOW229/09/20 04:22 PM
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My end goal is to make as large a contribution to society as I can through being the best at my career that I can possibly be.
/r/MGTOW226/09/20 04:18 PM
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After ejaculation and prolonged cuddling and conversation afterwards, I feel a sense of calm and satisfaction that lasts for days. I see sex as a biological function much like eating a good meal. Need to do it every once in a while to stay as healthy as possible.
/r/MGTOW226/09/20 03:34 PM
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It's a long slog, not very well organized -- I wasn't able to get thru it. But I follow him on twitter, and over time you get all of the most salient points from his twitter feed.
/r/MGTOW224/09/20 08:47 PM
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OK, don't cohabitate with any woman who the courts could construe as being your common-law wife.
/r/MGTOW224/09/20 03:40 PM
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Anything you want so long as you don't marry and don't cohabitate with a woman.
/r/MGTOW224/09/20 03:38 PM
3

Instead of putting all those hours into developing PUA skills, put those hours into developing a career and income stream that makes it easy to afford escorts. Much better investment, and avoids the problems of divorce and other LTR hazards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 01:00 AM
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All depends on how much game you have.
/r/MGTOW219/09/20 05:59 PM
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What's really delusional is thinking that a woman who's "in love" with you and wants to marry you is validating you rather than her own Cinderalla fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:44 AM
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I don't know and I don't care.
/r/MGTOW218/09/20 02:20 AM
5

If you're Chad enough to be able to do this on a sustainable basis, and you don't start cohabiting or marrying anybody, then congratulations, you don't have to pay for it! Most of us guys aren't as gifted, however.
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 11:34 PM
1

The best managers I've had have been women, so female leadership doesn't bother me at all in a professional or political realm. I just don't think it works very well in personal relationships.
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 04:30 PM
6

You've got the same chair I do!
/r/MGTOW216/09/20 11:44 PM
3

The benefit of marriage is more hours of companionship up front, but it comes with very high risks. Probably wiser to save and invest so eventually one can afford to hire an escort for weekends and vacations.
/r/MGTOW216/09/20 05:57 PM
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Nah, best way to solve the problem is to decriminalize and destigmatize sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 11:15 PM
1

I'm working for a world where that kind of violence is no longer necessary. Life can be better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 11:52 PM
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My purpose is to build a new payments system for the corporation I work for. The one we have now is 30 years old, but is difficult to replace because it is so large. The company has tried twice and failed (losing millions of dollars in the process). I want to help lead a project that will succeed at this difficult task. This probably sounds boring to most people, but it is one of the few worthy challenges a man can find in this modernized world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 11:08 PM
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I know it's insane. My only defense is that red pill awareness didn't exist yet back in 2003 when I did that.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 07:17 PM
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Jeez, tell me about it. When I got married, my wife and I agreed to not have kids. 18 months after the marriage, she said we had to have kids -- it was the only way for her to be happy. So I agreed. We were past the age of being able to have biological kids, so we adopted. One of them turns out to have severe emotional problems due to abuse/neglect before we adopted her at age 14 months. What a nightmare.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 07:16 PM
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I like it.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 03:12 PM
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It would be wise at that age to avoid marriage and cohabitation, which is really all this sub (r/MGTOW2) emphasizes. Dating is fine so long as one doesn't get married or cohabitate or develop any kind of ongoing obligation.
/r/MGTOW208/09/20 12:05 AM
1

How old is he?
/r/MGTOW208/09/20 12:01 AM
1

Which explains why this sub was created.
/r/MGTOW207/09/20 11:57 PM
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We try to minimize negative talk about women on this sub, but given how brainwashed men have been about the nature of women, it takes a lot of reminders to break free of that. I have a good relationship with both of my roommates, and I'm actually better friends with the female one, who is closer to my age.
/r/MGTOW207/09/20 11:33 PM
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They were talking about /MGTOW, not /MGTOW2 -- big difference.
/r/MGTOW207/09/20 09:35 PM
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Maybe you should ask the red pill subreddit? If you think you can easily avoid cohabiting or marrying her or getting her pregnant, this forum would probably say it's OK.
/r/MGTOW206/09/20 06:57 PM
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Yeah, odd how they're hated on so much -- although I can understand the hate if they turn violent. I think most of them just become depressed.
/r/MGTOW206/09/20 06:08 PM
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I don't know what you mean by high-quality, but I pay US$300 to US$400 per hour, and have been doing so off and on for over 20 years. Never once caught any kind of disease, or even a cold. I've twice got chlamydia from a girlfriend (fortunately that's easily cured in 3 days by taking some pills). So, in my experience, escorts are safer than girlfriends. Makes sense that well-paid escorts would take extra precautions to stay disease free, their livelihood depends on it.
/r/MGTOW206/09/20 05:33 PM
1

I've never had any problem working for a female boss.
/r/MGTOW205/09/20 02:22 AM
1

If you're going to put a shirtless photo on a dating site, it better be an action shot. Swimming, working outside, etc. I doubt upper body muscularity without context evokes much excitement.
/r/MGTOW204/09/20 12:57 AM
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I just pay for female company when I need it. Much easier that way.
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 11:55 PM
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Yes, so many men think that what turns us on must turn women on too, which does a lot to explain dick pics. A woman I know wonders "why do men on dating sites so often have pics with their shirts off?" Men think "I like to see lots of skin of the opposite gender, therefore women must like that too." So not true.
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 11:53 PM
1

You believe in soulmates?
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 10:29 PM
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That's why I think it's imperative to figure out how to not be optionless while single, before getting into a relationship. A lot of guys seem to think that means you have to learn to be a player or PUA, but there are alternatives to that.
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 07:17 PM
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You only become a puppet if you're in the relationship to have the other person meet some need of yours. That's not a good reason to get into a relationship (unless the transactional nature of the relationship is clear to both parties -- as in a relationship with a sex worker or professional cuddler). So what is the "right" reason to get into a relationship? (The word "right" here is a relative term -- relative to the larger purpose you hold in life). Be sure you and your partner agree on a purp…
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 07:01 PM
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Yes, you're right -- if you're wanting more than what the transaction is able to give, so you keep doing it in the hopes that the "more" will somehow eventually happen, then you're in simping territory.
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 05:09 AM
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Yeah, that's my understanding, but I haven't studied Black Pill a lot.
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 03:17 AM
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Yeah, it's pessimistic, but probably a well-earned pessimism for some guys who are short, fat, and/or ugly. I feel for them unless they start espousing violence. My only advice to them would be to learn to get their needs met best they can from transactional relationships, but that's a hard sell to someone who's never even had any kind of dating relationship.
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 03:10 AM
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I think the Black Pill is a philosophy adopted by guys who have low SMV (sexual marketplace value), and it's impossible they'll be able to date anyone they're even remotely attracted to. Given that their basic human need for connection and touch will go completely unfulfilled, they resign themselves to their fate and the chronic emotional pain that comes with not having any hope those needs can ever be met.
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 02:56 AM
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So I'm guessing you don't believe "Alpha Fucks" is really a thing? When I was a beta orbiter and got to know an attractive lady really well (to the point where she'd confide in me about her sex life), I saw the "Alpha Fucks" side of her and it was a real eye opener.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 02:31 AM
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Wow, never thought of it that way before. Dating and relationships really are a depreciating asset -- not a wise investment.
/r/MGTOW230/08/20 12:08 AM
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But since i'm young I feel the need to experience how is like to be in a serious relationship with a woman Yeah, I wonder if it's even possible to be MGTOW for the rest of your life until the illusions of a serious relationship are shattered.
/r/MGTOW229/08/20 11:26 PM
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I have to admit the ideas come directly from the book "Conversations With God", should've given credit to that in my post.
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 03:53 PM
2

Now I'm confused -- sounds like you're lamenting how others perceive us?
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 01:46 AM
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Not sure anyone is lamenting other people's perceptions, it's just funny how they can't cope with the idea that men from all walks of life are getting fed-up with the way things are, so they categorize it as being some sort of alt-right movement.
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 12:51 AM
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I think the question is whether or not you get enough from what you're paying to actually experience lasting satiation of desire and need, making it much easier to focus on other things. Paying for nudes, paying for a quick feel, doesn't really do it, I just remain horny. With a small minority of escorts (it takes a lot of trial and error to find them), I find that there is lasting and sustainable satiation of desire and need, and that's why it's not simping any more. EDIT: Better defined "lasti…
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 11:22 PM
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No set rate -- each escort determines their own rates. I find that on average US$400 per hour is the going rate for attractive younger escorts. About US$300 per hour for older, but still attractive escorts.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 11:17 PM
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That's the great thing about being MGTOW. I really don't care if it stays in Vegas or not, I have nothing to hide.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 10:39 PM
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Well, ok, let's just say that she's the most attractive woman I can imagine.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 10:36 PM
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Goddess? She's just a person. One who's as concerned about covid as anyone else. During the pandemic, she only sees clients she knows are single and work at home, so they're mostly quarantined. I don't know where this idea comes from that escorts are somehow "dirty". Only time I ever caught and STI was from a girlfriend, not an escort.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 09:34 PM
2

For whom?
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 08:13 PM
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So often relationships between a man and woman are mostly about fulfilling each other's needs, rather than about love (giving without expectation of anything in return). But society starves a large percentage of men from getting their needs for physical touch and sex met, and they're told the only way to get those needs met is to be in a relationship -- so once they get a relationship, they think it's the only way they'll be able to get their needs met on a reliable basis. Hence all the problems…
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 08:06 PM
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Yes, I'm pretty far left of center politically, 61 years old. I am white, but a supporter of BLM.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 08:01 PM
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Well, not the limo part -- I rented the cheapest compact car I could get at the Las Vegas airport -- no need to impress anyone :)
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 04:36 PM
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Very good point. I hadn't thought of that angle before.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 03:58 PM
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I wouldn't recommend the legal brothels. I tried them 3 times, and they were all rip-offs. The ask for a ridiculous fee up-front, then you have to haggle them down to the going rate. What a pain. My all-time-favorite lives close to the Las Vegas airport -- very convenient. I found my all-time-favorite on eros.com. But she told me yesterday that https://www.theeroticreview.com/main.asp is finally available again in the USA, which is great.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 03:52 PM
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I found her on eros.com, her measurements are 32c - 24" - 32". Her rates are US$400 an hour, but I like to pay US$550 for 90 minutes, it takes that long for me before I feel totally satiated and wanting to do something else. I'll let you do the research to find her if you're interested. I highly recommend seeing her.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 03:44 PM
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No, this mindset is about not get married, not cohabiting with a woman, to avoid ongoing financial and legal obligations. That's all.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 03:40 PM
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Sounds like a plan -- might be a good idea to give yourself just a taste of the good life every so often now, so you don't lose sight of the goal. Don't get discouraged if it takes a while to find an emotionally healthy escort you can connect with -- they are out there -- just takes some looking.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 04:42 AM
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I have it planned out a year ahead of time exactly how much money I can spend on vacation days like today, and still meet my saving and investing goals.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 03:20 AM
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With a gf, there's no way to guess what she's going to end up costing -- with an escort I'm always in control of what it's costing.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 02:13 AM
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I actually tried that, and I have to admit it did help. Still, it wasn't nearly as satisfying as being with a professional cuddler. I gave it up because the closest jiu jitsu was a half-hour drive each way.
/r/MGTOW225/08/20 12:52 AM
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I wish this were true. Eventually, the need for human touch becomes so strong it impacts my life negatively if I don't take care of it. The challenge of MGTOW is to figure out how to get that need met without marriage and without cohabitation with a woman. EDIT: Add what the challenge is.
/r/MGTOW224/08/20 05:29 PM
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I don't think there's much that can be done about this. So long as everything is consensual, I'm OK with it. I know that means some less-qualified woman might get ahead of me at the office by using powers I don't have (sexual powers), but so be it. Trying to police this or enforce this thru HR would be a nightmare. I think Harvey Weinstein crossed the line because he would try to force himself on those who said no. If someone offered her sexual services to him, then that's different. Yes, I know…
/r/MGTOW217/08/20 08:59 PM
1

Can you afford an escort who provides GFE (girl friend experience)?
/r/MGTOW216/08/20 06:00 PM
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I would say *most* men can't be happy without some form of female interaction -- there is always that small minority that seem to be truly happy in monk mode. For me personally, I get depressed without some female interaction -- that's why I see professional cuddlers and sex workers on a regular basis. Interaction with the gender you're attracted to is a powerful biological force -- it would be wise to respect it and come to some sort of compromise with it that doesn't put you at huge risk like …
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 06:37 PM
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Hopefully sex work will become destigmatized.
/r/MGTOW229/07/20 10:55 PM
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When I was in my 20's, I ended up becoming so depressed about lack of physical affection, sex, and female companionship that I lost the ability to work. So, that cost me a lot. The problem was, I didn't know how to get those needs met except by playing the dating game and eventually getting married, which was also a financial disaster -- twice. Fortunately, I've finally figured out how to be successfully single in my late 50's, so I'm finally on the right path.
/r/MGTOW220/07/20 01:30 AM
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I have seen escorts for many years, and never caught an STD from one. However, I have twice caught chlamydia from a girlfriend (two different girlfriends, about 20 years apart). Fortunately, a pill fixes that in about 3 days.
/r/MGTOW212/07/20 04:50 PM
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This is really good.
/r/MGTOW209/07/20 08:10 PM
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Men in the West still marry because during the dating phase they *finally* get the companionship, physical affection, and sex they need. They think if they get married they will be to continue to get those things for the rest of their life. Little do they know it's likely to only last about another 3-4 years, then they're trapped in a situation where they can't get those needs met without going through a life-shattering divorce.
/r/MGTOW206/07/20 07:57 PM
1

Yeah, I'm a minimalist and just live in my van -- saves a ton of money on rent.
/r/MGTOW225/06/20 05:46 PM
1

Wow, really good analogy.
/r/MGTOW221/06/20 08:16 PM
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Hmmm, only female equivalent of MGTOW I can think of would be women who escape a marriage forced upon them, where they have no legal recourse should the marriage go bad. This problem still exists in certain parts of the world.
/r/MGTOW218/06/20 04:59 AM
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Fair point. But I've made up my mind I don't want a relationship, so leading a woman on, thinking she might get me to want a relationship, really isn't ethical on my part.
/r/MGTOW215/06/20 04:04 PM
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I agree with you, but if one wants to follow the law then you have no choice but to pretend to want a relationship in order to get sex, unless you're the kind of guy women are willing to hook-up with without a commitment. Given the way our laws and culture are, it's no wonder so many guys are forced into pretending they want relationships.
/r/MGTOW214/06/20 11:26 PM
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This is really good. I know Rollo Tomassi has said something similar (can't find the quote now), but you've explained it better. What's worse, being asexual isn't an option for most of us. So we have to determine how much "loss" we're going to take to get our needs met. The trick is finding ways to keep our losses down to levels that don't impede our progress in life -- that's not easy to do if one has low SMV (sexual marketplace value).
/r/MGTOW213/06/20 09:42 PM
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Yeah, I was talking about men who don't have your level of game, which is the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 09:37 PM
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As men get older, they come to recognize that when women appear to "want" them, it's really what the man can provide that is wanted, not the man himself. Once a man's ability to provide goes away, so does a woman's desire for the man. With this realization, a sex worker who genuinely appreciates a client "wants" him just as much and just as genuinely as a wife or girlfriend would.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 06:39 PM
1

It's not really an investment since it depreciates in value, but it is probably a lot cheaper than paying rent over the time period you own the motor home.
/r/MGTOW229/05/20 05:50 PM
1

Sure, I'll chat.
/r/MGTOW220/05/20 03:51 PM
0

Because Christianity simply isn't believable any more. It's too obviously a made-up myth the late stage Roman empire used to try and control the population.
/r/MGTOW220/05/20 03:43 PM
1

Yes, I have been successfully having meaningful relationships with 2-3 sex workers for many years now. I have no desire to start dating. Edit: Changed to present tense, and made it clear I only have a few relationships at a time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:50 PM
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Of course I feel it. That's why I still see women to get "the feeling of someone holding onto you, rubbing your back, playing with your hair etc." I'm able to get all of that from professional cuddlers twice a week, plus some emotional connection, for a very reasonable price.
/r/MGTOW219/05/20 09:42 PM
1

The idea that our parents and ancestors had mostly loving families with good values is a dreadful lie. Those families were most often miserable places to be. Those aspects of life back then weren't talked about very much. Life-long monogamy is a very recent invention, and it has not worked very well -- it had a short heydey of a few centuries, that's all. It won't last much longer.
/r/MGTOW214/05/20 06:29 PM
0

OK, I'm game. Of the popular conspiracy theories out there, which one do you think is most likely to be true?
/r/MGTOW210/05/20 04:44 PM
0

I actually wouldn't have a problem with invasion of privacy so long as they get rid of all victimless crimes, and we citizens can also see all of the goings-on in the government. Right now, the government can do horrible crimes and get away with it by classifying all the evidence as top secret.
/r/MGTOW210/05/20 03:47 PM
2

Only place I'm aware of that's decriminalized it (which is different from legalizing it) and is making good progress on destigmatizing it is New Zealand.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 09:34 PM
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No need to force prostitution. Just decriminalize it and destigmatize it, that will go a long way towards solving this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 08:42 PM
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OK, so it seems like fully clothed cuddling doesn't release the happy chemicals for you. I guess I'm lucky that it does.
/r/MGTOW208/05/20 05:09 PM
2

Hmmm, it's kind of like you want the feel of a girlfriend without having a girlfriend. That may be difficult to achieve. Without having a girlfriend I've been able to get enough: Physical affection Emotional connection Sex But I sense you really want something more. What is that? The knowledge that someone else is putting you first in their life?
/r/MGTOW208/05/20 01:50 AM
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The fact that guys don't want to cuddle if they can't escalate to sex is probably the only thing keeping the professional cuddling business from really taking off, and becoming as prevalent as the (non-sexual) massage business. It's really too bad -- the benefits of cuddling are significant, and men deprive themselves of those benefits by refusing to keep sexual urges in check.
/r/MGTOW208/05/20 12:33 AM
2

If I really need to control an erection as I touch a woman though, I am not interested. You don't need to avoid having an erection, you just have to ignore it while you cuddle, and don't start rubbing it up against anything. Or are you saying that if you get an erection and can't follow thru you don't want to cuddle? ​ So I suppose [professional cuddlers] are okay seeing grown men crying on their shoulders then? I think so, although I've never done it myself. I didn't have a lot of grief to proc…
/r/MGTOW207/05/20 11:02 PM
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Correct, cuddlers do not have sex, and the session is fully clothed. If you get an erection during the cuddle it's OK, just don't press your erection up against her. Yes, you can spoon with cuddlers, but you may not touch their breasts or ass. And certainly no dry humping. Also, I cannot talk about my sex life with a professional cuddler, although I am able to talk about anything else going on in my life, which helps to build a good emotional connection. When sexual urges come up during a cuddli…
/r/MGTOW207/05/20 07:00 PM
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Thanks for the interest -- I will give what you suggest a higher priority.
/r/MGTOW207/05/20 06:51 PM
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I had an amicable divorce 5 years ago (but it still cost me a fortune), and I had the same plan you have, and it worked! The only thing different is that I discovered I also needed to see professional cuddlers as well to get enough physical affection.
/r/MGTOW207/05/20 05:00 PM
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This is so true, if you're patient and take the time to find good providers. And if you can't afford escorts all the time, see professional cuddlers for non-sexual physical affection for a much lower cost, and only see an escort once in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 09:04 PM
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Those pleasures aren't so small, they release healthy chemicals that are important to our sustained happiness and ability to thrive in life. Not all drugs are bad, some are healthy and have no side effects, such as the ones that we get from " sniffing the hair of women, being able to hug her weaker feminine body tight against my chest". The question is, then, can I get these healthy chemicals on a long-term reliable basis without putting half of my current and future earnings at risk? I've found…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 07:54 PM
0

Yup, if female nature was any different we never would've evolved into homo sapiens.
/r/MGTOW205/05/20 12:47 AM
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It satisfies one's need for physical affection, sex, and emotional connection for a few years. After the few years is up, you'll have to go through hell to get free and to stand a chance of getting those needs met again.
/r/MGTOW203/05/20 08:12 PM
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Most escorts aren't very good. It takes a lot of trial and error to find good ones, but it's worth it to do so, in my opinion. Don't regret the money spent on bad ones, it's just the cost of doing the search. The key is to find those who really want to do a good job, and aren't doing it only because they're desperate for money (probably drug money). If you can find escorts who care about meeting your needs the best they can during the limited time you have together, than you have found a viable …
/r/MGTOW203/05/20 04:39 PM
8

The tiger analogy is really good. We can certainly appreciate the beauty of a tiger without exposing ourselves to a tiger's natural inclination to harm us.
/r/MGTOW203/05/20 04:28 PM
1

I don't care if it's a pinnacle or not, I just have no interest in having kids.
/r/MGTOW201/05/20 01:28 AM
2

Sure! DM me any time.
/r/MGTOW230/04/20 08:33 PM
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A secondary mission I have in life is to work for political change to decriminalize sex work. Lots of organizations to support doing that work.
/r/MGTOW230/04/20 08:28 PM
3

Both buying and selling are illegal where I'm at, but there's so much of it going on there's no way they can police it all. Law enforcement only goes after the easy-to-prosecute street workers, and a few massage parlors. Learn how to avoid doing anything that makes it easy to prosecute you, and there really isn't any risk of getting charged with anything. Never ever mention any kind of sexual act when negotiating with a sex worker, that is the most important thing. If it turns out she doesn't ac…
/r/MGTOW230/04/20 08:25 PM
5

Information Technology. I develop customized software for large businesses, and I love getting better and better at it so I can develop good solutions in less time than other software developers. Plus it pays well, but that's not why I chose the career -- my love of programming is why I chose it.
/r/MGTOW230/04/20 08:21 PM
2

Count me in.
/r/MGTOW230/04/20 06:12 PM
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You need to find some sort of mission. Mine is as simple as becoming as competent as I can be in my chosen career. And I develop relationships with professional cuddlers and sex workers to alleviate the loneliness.
/r/MGTOW230/04/20 06:10 PM
2

I've seriously tried the sugar daddy thing, but all of the women I've met so far expect to be paid for simply hanging out with them because they're beautiful. Haven't found even one yet who's willing to make it a sexual relationship. Maybe I just don't know how to read between the lines of the profiles.
/r/MGTOW229/04/20 06:30 PM
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I'm on team humanity. There are solutions that can benefit everyone.
/r/MGTOW229/04/20 03:03 PM
3

Yes, I've been coaxed into committed relationships before -- of course it didn't work out since that's not what I really wanted in the first place, but I thought it was the only way I could get my physical needs met.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:47 PM
1

Huh, I can't feel any difference at all -- it's great either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:46 PM
1

I don't understand what's so bad about condoms. Once you learn how, it takes less than 10 seconds to put one on -- it's not that much of an interruption.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:43 PM
2

Since I'm not willing to commit to a monogamous relationship, having relationships with sex workers and professional cuddlers (not the same as sex work) is the easiest way to go. I've found it quite difficult to find women with compatible SMV willing to agree to an open relationship up-front. Guys that are successful at open relationships usually have to avoid saying anything about it until they've got her so attached she's willing to try it -- I don't particularly like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:41 PM
2

Yes, and professional cuddlers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:35 PM
2

I'm not sure what you mean. I don't have sex with women under false pretenses, that's why I only have intimate relationships with professionals with whom I can be totally honest. Your original question seems to assume that we are all separate. In my experience, that simply isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:33 PM
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Because we are all connected -- it does not benefit me to harm another.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:26 PM
4

To be honest, the isolation and lack of physical affection has finally become a real problem, and I'm getting quite depressed, barely able to work. Fortunately, I've found a professional cuddler who's willing to ignore the stay-at-home order and have a 90-minute session with me on Thursday -- hope to be feeling better soon.
/r/MGTOW228/04/20 05:15 PM
1

Yeah, that's what I hate about spinning plates. Lies of omission. None of that is necessary when seeing professionals.
/r/MGTOW226/04/20 10:44 PM
6

My focus is keeping things running smoothly at the office so that my job doesn't become stressful. I know it doesn't sound like much, but it's a *huge* deal for me to be able to wake up each morning and look forward to going to work. Hard to put a price on that. This allows me to build wealth slowly and in a stress-free way.
/r/MGTOW224/04/20 08:34 PM
11

This is solid advice, not just some guy's "lame-ass opinion". Now that I'm older and have a solid income stream, it's "worth it" more often since it doesn't take anything but a minuscule percentage of my total income. But I'm still careful to always weigh the cost of the transaction to my life's mission.
/r/MGTOW224/04/20 05:58 PM
2

Rape can be either a crime of lust or hate, although I can't imagine raping someone no matter how aroused I was. However, for many other guys that must not be true. There is solid evidence sexual assault rates against all women goes down when prostitution is decriminalized: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/17/when-rhode-island-accidentally-legalized-prostitution-rape-and-stis-decreased-sharply/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 09:36 PM
1

If you have to be angry, then be angry at the lies society has fed to you about the nature of women, rather than being angry at women who are just being who they really are. Can't be angry at a cat for being a cat, but you can be angry at lies about the nature of a cat.
/r/MGTOW216/04/20 06:02 PM
4

One answer I've seen several times on this subreddit is: "Sex is fine so long as you don't get married and don't cohabitate".
/r/MGTOW214/04/20 04:50 PM
1

I'm on this sub because I like living my life independent of any commitment to women, just like this woman likes living her life independent of any commitment to men.
/r/MGTOW212/04/20 12:54 AM
2

A high value female for me is one who I find attractive enough, and gives high-quality affection and/or sex for whatever the prevailing market value is.
/r/MGTOW211/04/20 08:22 PM
1

I don't get what's domineering about her post. She just wants relationships with high value men, nothing wrong with that. A woman can go her own way and still get married since the divorce courts treat them so favorably.
/r/MGTOW211/04/20 08:19 PM
1

Sociopath? Sounds like she's just going her own way. I don't see anything wrong with it.
/r/MGTOW211/04/20 06:32 PM
3

Be careful about this. For example, if your goal is to get your needs for sex and physical affection met, that goal might be met during the dating phase. Then you get emotionally attached. Then she wants to get married, so you go along with it since your goal will continue to be met after marriage. Then the trouble begins...
/r/MGTOW204/04/20 06:27 PM
3

It's sad, but true. Eventually the sadness goes away. I've just learned to enjoy women as they are.
/r/MGTOW202/04/20 04:23 PM
16

Yeah, this is basic red pill philosophy.
/r/MGTOW202/04/20 03:11 PM
1

Put a full stop to it. Fortunately, my income stream has not stopped, so I'm saving money to heavily indulge once this is over. It's the thought of that that keeps me going, and I'm exercising a lot more (I bought a home gym). So far, that's been enough to keep the depression away.
/r/MGTOW231/03/20 02:50 PM
2

I need female companionship myself to avoid depression. A combination of professional cuddlers and sex workers does the trick for me. You're right, it's also important to have some sort of mission. My mission is to continue becoming more competent at my job, because my job is of value to the world. I think both of these things are necessary to having a good life, at least as a heterosexual male.
/r/MGTOW231/03/20 04:33 AM
5

This is a very important question which doesn't get enough attention, in my opinion. I think the answer to this question determines whether you go MGTOW or you go red pill. The red pill guys seem to spend an insane amount of time and energy getting to the point where they can experience being "genuinely desired" by women. Is it really worth it, given how easy it is to get high quality female companionship in a no-strings-attached transactional relationship? Probably depends on how many genetic g…
/r/MGTOW229/03/20 05:47 PM
2

Long term care insurance is way cheaper than getting married as a means to deal with the possibility of ending up sick and needing care. And a much better insurance policy, as in marriage there's no guarantee she'll have the means and ability to care for you, and she could even end up needing care first.
/r/MGTOW224/03/20 05:17 PM
1

Probably fear of being alone, or fear of not having any physical affection.
/r/MGTOW222/03/20 05:11 PM
2

I sometimes wonder if John Norman's Gor series of books is an attempt to answer this question.
/r/MGTOW209/03/20 10:22 PM
3

btw, I don't think my ex-wife consciously lied to me about her true intentions of wanting to have kids. It's just that her biological clock kicked in once she had me secured -- it's like we're protecting ourselves from the female imperatives of human evolution more so than protecting ourselves from conscious deception.
/r/MGTOW224/02/20 09:23 PM
23

Kudos to her for being so honest and up-front about what she wanted. In my case, my wife hid her intentions from me until 3 years after we starting dating, which is 18 months after we got married. Be aware that the next girl you date may hide her true intentions until after she has you under legal contract.
/r/MGTOW224/02/20 07:58 PM
3

I developed on-going relationships with professional cuddlers and sex workers. I'm careful to choose professionals who care about doing a good job, and with whom I can develop an emotional connection over time.
/r/MGTOW223/02/20 11:06 PM
1

If that works for you, great. I've tried that, and it provides no long-term satisfaction for me.
/r/MGTOW223/02/20 06:54 PM
3

Yes, I've come to the same conclusion.
/r/MGTOW223/02/20 12:30 AM
13

Wow, you don't feel like having sex or some kind of intimacy? That's amazing to me, I'm 60 and the craving for that is still very strong. Fortunately, I finally figured out ways to get that craving satisfied without a dating relationship.
/r/MGTOW222/02/20 11:14 PM
9

Sure, there's all the wonderful emotions that go along with getting hitched to someone you think is your "soulmate". Problem is, you'll eventually find out it's all a dreadful lie, and you're trapped in a situation where you can't get your basic human needs met, and it will cost you everything to get out of that situation.
/r/MGTOW222/02/20 08:03 PM
1

What's your plan for when the bedroom goes dead? Divorce her and hope the prenup holds up in court?
/r/MGTOW221/02/20 09:32 PM
1

I find that meditation helps practice for that. When I meditate and I get an urge to scratch an itch, or move about, I just notice the urge and don't act on it -- I pay attention to the sensations in my body as the urge strengthens, the sensations change, and then eventually fade. Likewise, when the urge to sexually touch a cuddler comes up, I apply the same practice, just notice the urge, don't act on it, and observe it eventually fade away.
/r/MGTOW221/02/20 07:39 PM
3

Then either make enough money, or cut enough expenses, that paying her isn't a big deal. You shouldn't give the expense any more thought than what you put into setting your grocery budget. Considering it "golden" is putting her on a pedestal, which leads to all sorts of problem and vulnerabilities.
/r/MGTOW221/02/20 07:35 PM
2

No, the whole session is fully clothed. The idea is to get to the point where I can separate my need for physical affection from my need for sex. I find that if I get enough physical affection, I'm OK, even though I may be sexually frustrated. With enough affection, I can function well, concentrate on my work, and not be depressed, even though I'm sexually frustrated at the same time. I see an escort at least once month to keep the sexual frustration levels down to tolerable levels.
/r/MGTOW221/02/20 07:31 PM
2

$100 per hour in my area (Los Angeles). Might be cheaper in lower cost of living areas.
/r/MGTOW221/02/20 07:16 PM
1

I averaged $630 per month over 2019. I usually see a sex worker once a month, and a professional cuddler 3 times a month. I make up this expense by not paying rent, I just live in my van. That saves me about $1800 per month where I live, so I come out ahead by about $1170 per month. I tried dating while living in a van, but as soon as they find out I'm immediately dumped. Since living in a van is very comfortable for me, dating becomes VERY expensive since I'd have to pay rent.
/r/MGTOW221/02/20 06:26 PM
1

I don't, I just pay for it
/r/MGTOW221/02/20 05:33 PM
1

Yes, so long as you don't intermingle finances, live with her, or marry her.
/r/MGTOW220/02/20 08:46 PM
3

I've often heard on this subreddit that so long as you don't live with her, it's still MGTOW, at least as this subreddit defines it.
/r/MGTOW220/02/20 05:06 AM
1

No, I hire female professional cuddlers.
/r/MGTOW219/02/20 05:25 PM
7

Once I got my needs for physical affection met (which can be done with cuddling alone, no sex necessary), I noticed the desire to have someone sleep with me went away. I suspect a lot of us guys confuse the need for sex with the need for physical affection -- in my experience they really are two completely different needs, which can be met in completely different ways.
/r/MGTOW218/02/20 08:35 PM
1

Took advantage of things being quieter than normal at the office, and worked until 10 PM on a project that, when done, should advance my career nicely.
/r/MGTOW218/02/20 06:32 PM
8

For me it was learning how to relate to women in a way to get my physical needs met without needing to make any kind of commitment. Once I knew how to do that, I was able to fully pursue my natural inclination, which is to pursue my interests without having family or romantic obligations.
/r/MGTOW217/02/20 04:30 AM
2

I went from age 18 to 26 without any sex or touch, and I was OK -- I got my career off to a great start during those years. However, by age 28 I wasn't doing well -- so depressed I had a hard time holding on to a job. I eventually got my needs for touch met, and the depression lifted. Ever since then, I can go a year or two without touch and not get depressed, but not much longer. So, it seems to be a need for me to avoid getting sick with depression. I've done many years of therapy to see if th…
/r/MGTOW215/02/20 10:31 PM
2

I've tried both massage and dogs. Massage just doesn't do much for me. I think it's because the only part of the other person's body that is touching mine is the hands. There's something innately more satisfying about the full-body contact of hugging each other while laying down. Also, with a dog I can't talk about stuff -- whereas with a professional cuddler I can, which leads to a satisfying on-going emotional connection.
/r/MGTOW215/02/20 01:07 AM
4

Yes, a professional cuddler really does help me. Without any touch or sex for a period of several weeks, I begin to get very depressed, sometimes so bad I can't work. By having an on-going relationship with a couple of cuddlers, the depression never happens. Since we can talk about anything (except sex), I have an emotional connection with them as well as a physical connection. Getting the need for emotional and physical intimacy met seems to completely solve the problem I always had of being de…
/r/MGTOW215/02/20 01:03 AM
3

Nothing sexual happens with a professional cuddler. But I do get full body-to-body contact (spooning, hand holding, her laying on top of me, etc.), and I find that very much satisfies my need for touch, although my need for sex does go unfulfilled. I've discovered that getting my need for touch met is more important than getting my need for sex met. But, when I have the money in my budget, I do see a sex worker to get that need fulfilled as well (a sex worker is about 3 times more expensive than…
/r/MGTOW215/02/20 12:58 AM
5

I recently joined a new meetup.com group where we just sit, drink, eat, hang out, and chat. The first meeting I went to was right after I'd seen a professional cuddler. There were six of us there, 4 attractive women, me, and one other guy. Since I had just had my physical needs met, I was able to interact with the 4 women from a place of "no need". It was wonderful, just enjoying their company without having to spend any time scheming on how I was going to get into the sack with one of them.
/r/MGTOW214/02/20 08:19 PM
2

This is why I like seeing sex workers and professional cuddlers. Absolutely no games, just a straight-up honest transaction -- no need to omit any information about my long-term intentions.
/r/MGTOW211/02/20 08:05 PM
6

I can't say I ever experienced much red pill rage. Actually, red pill information was kind of a relief to me at my age (I found out at age 58) since it explained why I'd messed up so badly. I don't blame anyone for my predicament -- I got into it simply because the information I needed wasn't available to me when I was a younger man. Hard to get mad at "lack of information". Now that I have the info I need, I am slowly rebuilding my life, in a way I know will be sustainable in the future.
/r/MGTOW206/02/20 08:24 PM
5

Wow, that's the most red pilled thing I've ever seen on TV.
/r/MGTOW205/02/20 09:47 PM
2

I moved to wherever I could find the best job for me. My parents stayed married until death do they part, but I wouldn't classify it as a success -- they were both quite unhappy. Even if it was a success where they were both happier than they would've been single, it doesn't mean that their success is common. Chances are these days that only about 10-20% of marriages end up being good for both people in the long run. I don't like those odds.
/r/MGTOW202/02/20 04:12 AM
1

If that was his reasoning, then it was about power and status (regardless of harm to others) rather than about getting his sexual needs met.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/20 05:21 PM
1

What I don't understand is why didn't Weinsten just hire expensive call girls rather than set himself up for this? He clearly had enough money to easily afford it. And call girls would be much more a willing participant than reluctant actresses. It makes me wonder if he wasn't on some sort of power trip over the actresses he was hiring.
/r/TheRedPill28/01/20 05:00 PM
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What I don't understand is why didn't Weinsten just hire expensive call girls rather than set himself up for this? He clearly had enough money to easily afford it. And call girls would be much more a willing participant than reluctant actresses. It makes me wonder if he wasn't on some sort of power trip over the actresses he was hiring.
/r/TheRedPill28/01/20 04:59 PM
5

Take a look at goodbudget.com I find it easier to use and more useful than mint.
/r/TheRedPill27/01/20 06:32 AM
3

It's legal & inexpensive in Seattle and Los Angeles? Are you sure? That's news to me.
/r/MGTOW224/01/20 08:37 PM
1

Yes, and I was responding to the original OP quote, not to you.
/r/MGTOW222/01/20 07:34 PM
2

Actually, MGTOW can know what it's like to lie naked next to a hot girl. Either you improve your game to be a PUA, or you pay for it. I prefer paying for it so I can remain totally honest. He probably thinks she's lying next to him out of genuine desire for him. I think chances are very high she's only doing it because she sees him as providing some sort of stability for her. Once she tires of that, it will become obvious to him she's not really into it any more. Then he'll realize the relations…
/r/MGTOW222/01/20 06:56 PM
1

It's posts like this that make me wonder if it's even possible to be MGTOW in a sustainable way until after a guy's been badly burned at least once. The illusion that some hot girl will be lusting after you for the rest of your life is just too strong.
/r/MGTOW222/01/20 05:46 PM
2

I recognize the feeling of "falling in love" for the evolutionary trap that it is, and I would stop seeing the person if I felt like the feeling was strong enough I couldn't control it. I wouldn't have an SO since I'm MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW220/01/20 09:47 PM
6

How are you going to find a partner willing to do tantric sex without expectation of a LTR relationship?
/r/MGTOW219/01/20 09:07 PM
1

Neither option. Establish genuine connections with sex workers and/or professional cuddlers who care about serving their clients best they can, and who care about doing a good job. That way there's no false expectations of a LTR ever developing, and we can all be totally honest with each other, which fosters real emotional intimacy. Monk mode isn't an option for me, the lack of physical affection and intimacy eventually makes me so depressed I have a hard time earning a living.
/r/MGTOW219/01/20 08:52 PM
1

I only see sex workers who work out of their own home, and once I find one I like I continue seeing her in rotation with others I'm also seeing. Fortunately, I'm making enough money it's easy for me to afford this ($350 an hour seems to be the average rate in my area). It is extremely rare for law enforcement to make stings on this form of the business, and even then the only real risk is if you are seeing someone new for the first time -- in this case just make sure there is never any mention o…
/r/MGTOW219/01/20 08:49 PM
12

Yes, relationships are always transactional for women. So I've decided to just go with that, and pay the good sex workers who plan to continue doing the work indefinitely, to get that feeling of long-term connection. That way I retain control of how much money I spend on the relationships, and there's no lying by omission which is so common with the pump and dump type of lifestyle.
/r/MGTOW215/01/20 07:44 PM
33

I'm 60, and I've had a similar experience with dating apps. She would be into me until she realized how much money I have to spend on child support and traveling out of state every month to see my kids. They would say how much they admire me taking care of my kids, and then dump me since I have no extra money to spend.
/r/MGTOW215/01/20 06:06 PM
5

My guess is because he needs intimacy with a woman, and he doesn't know any other way to get that need met. Sad, because there are other ways to do it -- they're just not "socially acceptable".
/r/MGTOW213/01/20 06:43 PM
1

Thanks. I also find that it's really important to have a mission in life -- something that's more important than just the pleasant feelings one gets when with a woman. With that mission in mind, you don't want a woman to make demands that detracts from your goals.
/r/MGTOW212/01/20 04:54 AM
7

But no matter how much i want to stay away from it, a part of my brain is always wishing for one. I suspect that what the original poster's brain is wishing for is an intimate connection with a woman, both physical and emotional. I think most of us are hard-wired to want and need that to some degree. I've found that the need can be satisfactorily met by transactional relationships with professional cuddlers and with sex workers, but you have to take the time to find regular providers with whom c…
/r/MGTOW209/01/20 09:49 PM
2

Sure, there's some truth to that. But MGTOW is for all men, not only those who can become Alpha with a reasonable amount of effort.
/r/MGTOW223/12/19 07:47 PM
1

I want to add that I've also experienced my desire to watch porn going to about zero since I've been getting my needs met from professionals.
/r/MGTOW222/12/19 09:45 PM
1

I agree that seeing sex workers is a good long-term solution, if you can wrap your head around the fact that transactional relationships are just as "real" as being in a committed relationship where the woman has access to your resources. It does take some time, trial and error, to find sex workers who care about doing a good job, care about the well-being of their clients, and aren't in it just for the money. Don't get upset about sex workers who don't do a good job, it's not waste of money, it…
/r/MGTOW221/12/19 08:41 PM
19

Yes, you are welcome, although many of us may envy your ability to not be tempted into the dangers of sexual/romantic relationships.
/r/MGTOW215/12/19 07:36 PM
3

Living in your vehicle is legal in LA so long as you park overnight in designated areas. Then you don't have to pay a mortgage or rent, and you can park close to where you work, so almost no commute. You'll probably need 24x7 access to an office with a kitchen in order to make this lifestyle comfortable, though.
/r/MGTOW227/11/19 02:27 AM
1

I wish there was a way I could describe how it really is possible to not have to give up on romantic and sexual fulfillment as MGTOW. An escort client on Twitter who goes by the handle @The6ixGentleman put it fairly well in this tweet: Once you understand and honour the boundaries of your unique escort-client relationship, that's when you'll find the relationship develops real trust, becomes unguarded, flourishes, develops a real bond. She will hold you close to her heart as a real lover making …
/r/MGTOW223/11/19 07:18 PM
2

I actually like sleazy salacious slatternly slovenly sloppy sloshy sluts, not kidding.
/r/MGTOW212/11/19 01:04 AM
1

Perhaps, but all religions in the West are getting to be pretty blue-pilled, not really any red-pilled religions left to join. Rollo talks about this.
/r/MGTOW212/11/19 12:34 AM
2

If men and women continue to go their own way in increasing numbers, we'll eventually have to figure out how to raise kids in a healthy environment other than the two parent stable household. Seems to me raising kids should be done by people with lots of life experience. I wonder if it wouldn't make more sense for young adults with kids to give primary child-rearing responsibilities to people over 50 who have demonstrated some degree of success at life, yet the young adults still remain involved…
/r/MGTOW207/11/19 08:45 PM
3

For me, the toughest part in the early stages of going MGTOW was lack of physical affection from other human beings (pets just don't work for me). I tend to get pretty depressed without enough physical affection (sometimes to the point where I can't work). This article talks about the issue: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3gzba/the-life-of-the-skin-hungry-can-you-go-crazy-from-a-lack-of-touch Fortunately, I've finally figured out how to get enough physical affection without being in a relat…
/r/MGTOW207/11/19 05:41 PM
1

Congrats on being in her top 20% for those 5 years!
/r/TheRedPill07/11/19 12:03 AM
1

Seems like a good option for men who aren't in the top 20% of men that women are naturally attracted to. Of course, for this to be a good option for those men they have to get past the mindset that the only kind of relationship worth having is one based on "genuine" desire. There is nothing wrong with having a transactional relationship -- all relationships end up being like that anyway after the honeymoon phase is over.
/r/TheRedPill06/11/19 11:55 PM
1

I don't know if he's justifiying women's behavior -- I think he's just stating what their behavior is given the current cultural climate. I don't think it's realistic to think we're going back to the kind of social restrictions on hypergamy we've had in the past, any time soon. I have no idea why anyone would call him a simp. He doesn't seem to advocate caving in to women's demands at all.
/r/MGTOW202/11/19 07:10 PM
2

I agree that about 1 in 6 marriages turn out to pretty much be happy ones until death do them part. I think the need to "put everyone down" comes from anger that *no one* told us just how heavily stacked the odds were against us before we got into relationships. If we'd known that there was only 1 chance in 6 of success, I think you'd see a lot less anger when it turns out we're not one of that minority. My source for the "1 in 6" number is: https://blackdragonblog.com/2015/11/16/what-life-long-…
/r/MGTOW231/10/19 10:17 PM
1

60 Been in 4 relationships. 1st was in high school for a year, got dumped when she realized a jock was interested in her. Second was a 4-year marriage, which in retrospect it's clear she only married me due to financial desperation. Third was 3-year relationship, she was never really into me that much, but she liked how much money I had to spend. Fourth was a 14-year marriage -- we agreed to not have kids before getting married -- she changed her mind 18 months after we got married -- I was too …
/r/MGTOW231/10/19 09:15 PM
1

No, I can access my office 24x7, and it's only two blocks from where I park for the night. No need to deal with grey water.
/r/MGTOW231/10/19 07:36 AM
1

I live in a van (down by the river). That gives me enormous freedom to save money and take care of my needs in unconventional ways.
/r/MGTOW230/10/19 08:43 PM
1

Why do you have no choice? Your religion? What kind of religion gives people no choice? Sounds more like slavery to me.
/r/MGTOW228/10/19 03:38 PM
2

Yup, that's exactly what happened to me. At age 60 my net worth is less than what it was at age 40.
/r/MGTOW225/10/19 01:47 AM
1

The way I won was to change my mindset to realize that transactional relationships with quality women are really just the same as being in long-term relationships, except I get to retain control.
/r/MGTOW222/10/19 01:52 AM
1

I think it's the fault of the way society is structured. If there were good options for not being alone, women wouldn't be pressured into hooking a guy into marriage based on fake love.
/r/MGTOW221/10/19 12:44 AM
1

I, too, can't get to the point where I'm OK with using others (redpill PUA). That's why I've settled on transactional sex as the best compromise to this dilemma. Being a transactional relationship doesn't make it meaningless, if you can find a provider who really cares about doing a good job and doing the best she can to meet your needs in the time you have together, which is really all one can realistically expect out of any relationship. It's just that in transactional relationships everyone i…
/r/MGTOW221/10/19 12:19 AM
1

I agree with this post -- the problem is that women actually disrespect and even despise the beta bux guy. They can try to cover it up with feigned respect so the money keeps flowing, but underneath it all is just disrespect for the guy who can't get laid any other way than to put up with her bullshit. Often that disrespect manifests as lack of interest in sex, or subtle put-downs, etc. It's not their fault, it's just how they're wired by evolution.
/r/MGTOW220/10/19 08:47 PM
1

I'm down about the same amount from my marriage -- 4 more years of child support payments and finally most of the bleeding will stop.
/r/MGTOW218/10/19 05:31 PM
1

See rule #7 in the sidebar.
/r/MGTOW215/10/19 05:27 PM
1

Why do you keep posting this baloney once every few months on our reddit? No substantial number of women are ever going to work in a "charity" brothel.
/r/MGTOW214/10/19 10:22 PM
1

Invest rather than spend money on the depreciable assets women usually demand -- nice houses, nice cars, etc. Eventually the compound interest on your investments will make you rich.
/r/MGTOW214/10/19 09:14 PM
1

I deal with these needs by: Seeing a professional cuddler about one hour a week, or sometimes 90 minutes a week to catch up if I missed the previous week(s). I have two cuddlers that I see, one is my primary that I usually go to, and there is a secondary that I see if my primary is unavailable for some reason in any given week. I think it's important to keep seeing the same person so a relationship can be built that has emotional intimacy, but I don't make it exclusive, to prevent becoming depen…
/r/MGTOW214/10/19 06:34 PM
1

Even though you may feel fine being alone now, the day will likely come when the craving for physical affection, emotional intimacy, and sex becomes very strong. You will suffer if those needs go unmet. Know that there are ways to get those needs met in a very satisfactory way without getting into a dating relationship, or God forbid, a cohabitating relationship or marriage.
/r/MGTOW214/10/19 04:19 PM
1

There are some escorts who will share intimate information like that with you. Not all escorts are only about basic sex, there are some who really want to do a good job and are able to achieve genuine intimacy with their clients, although on a time-limited basis. I can currently afford to see a high-quality escort once a month, and I find this to be satisfying enough. Interestingly, I tried sharing sexual fetish information with my professional cuddler, and she drew a hard limit on that kind of …
/r/MGTOW213/10/19 06:37 PM
1

For me, there's something about cuddling another human being (has to be a female for me) that releases a mix of healthy feel-good chemicals that I seem to need to avoid becoming so depressed I can't work. I've tried pets, hobbies, etc., but cuddling is what does it for me. So long as I get enough cuddling, I am very happy living alone. I don't know if this speaks to the fact I didn't get enough cuddling when I was young, or what. Fortunately, the professional cuddling industry is starting to gai…
/r/MGTOW213/10/19 06:13 PM
2

Yeah, in the meantime, just don't get anyone pregnant.
/r/MGTOW203/10/19 10:39 PM
1

Seeing a professional cuddler once a week solved the problem for me. If I do start to feel the void, I just remind myself I'll get to see her (or the other cuddler I also see) in a few days, and the void goes away. I had to do 90 minute cuddles a couple times a week to get started in order to feel satiated. After that, one hour a week is enough. Be sure to find a cuddler who wants to do a good job, and one you feel comfortable talking to about anything.
/r/MGTOW228/09/19 06:47 PM
1

Passing on memes became way more important than passing on genes a long time ago. As MGTOW, I can devote myself to creating and building things that will have a much bigger impact on the future than my DNA ever could: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
/r/TheRedPill26/09/19 05:26 PM
2

We know that women only find about the top 20% of men genuinely attractive. Imagine if every guy made it a priority to get into that top 20%. 80% would be doomed to failure no matter what super-human efforts they made. At some point it's a waste of time to invest in the struggle of attracting women, and time is better spent on other pursuits.
/r/TheRedPill26/09/19 05:24 PM
1

Passing on ideas, creative works, and accomplish ments is way more important than passing on DNA. My life lives on as others learn from and re-use my life's work.
/r/TheRedPill25/09/19 08:51 PM
1

I'd rather play another game rather than chase the pussy.
/r/TheRedPill25/09/19 07:35 PM
2

I'll wait until the struggle isn't so heavily rigged against us. If enough of us go MGTOW, the odds will change to be more in our favor.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/19 09:56 PM
2

Those of us who are MGTOW have decided it's not worth the effort.
/r/TheRedPill24/09/19 08:20 PM
2

My story is I went too long without any kind of female companionship, and I ended up getting lonely and touch deprived. It was very painful, to the point I had trouble keeping a job. When I got a girlfriend, the relief was incredible, and I was able to resume advancing in my career. Of course, she eventually wanted to get married, which I agreed to mostly out of fear of being single again. As is predictable, I ended up divorced with huge child support payments. My moral of the story is, learn to…
/r/MGTOW223/09/19 08:37 PM
1

Yes, exactly, there is no need to be angry about the situation -- there are still ways to get our needs met.
/r/MGTOW221/09/19 11:53 PM
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I think redpill is just being aware about women's nature. Where MGTOW deviates from other men is what to do about it once that nature is understood.
/r/MGTOW218/09/19 11:58 PM
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Not sure why you think that things would be better if everyone worked towards life-long monogamy. Sorry, but the real truth is humans just aren't designed for that.
/r/MGTOW215/09/19 06:50 PM
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See sidebar rule #1. You should post this on r/mgtow This is a positive space for male progress and life outside women; as such, we do not want hateful or negative posts. We do not want to degenerate into a negativity echo chamber.
/r/MGTOW215/09/19 06:40 PM
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Yeah, I'm left-wing. Believe in nationalized health care, UBI, gay rights, etc.. I don't see any conflict with MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW209/09/19 03:49 PM
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Fair point. Now that I've found some good sex workers I see on a regular basis, I actually feel more loved by them than I did be either of my two wives. I can talk to them about anything (even experiences I've enjoyed with other sex workers), and they are actually concerned about how I am doing in all areas of life. Of course, I know that concern is enlightened self-interest, because they want to keep me as a regular -- but is that really any different than a wife's concern? And if they stop bei…
/r/MGTOW207/09/19 06:56 PM
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That's a good point, I'd never considered before that women know that marriage is primarily an economic transaction for them first, and a loving-based relationship second (or third, or fourth?), and they avoid telling us this simple truth.
/r/MGTOW207/09/19 06:46 PM
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Yes, exactly this. I just accept that women are gold-diggers, and love them as they are. It doesn't help to cast negative judgments on how they are wired. Just be careful to not be exploited by that female wiring.
/r/MGTOW207/09/19 06:43 PM
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Yes, there is decriminalized prostitution everywhere, it's called marriage. I'm in favor of decriminalizing all forms of consensual prostitution, especially ones where the guy has the ability to free himself from an unfair contract (e.g. just start seeing someone else once she's no longer interested in doing a good job).
/r/MGTOW207/09/19 06:35 PM
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Yup, that's exactly my plan.
/r/MGTOW207/09/19 05:51 PM
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I live in Los Angeles. So I get paid enough to cover the high cost of housing, but I just pocket all that extra money since I pay no rent :)
/r/MGTOW207/09/19 07:25 AM
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Yeah, I think societal collapse is a bit too strong of a term. There might be an economic re-ordering that causes pain in a lot of sectors, but we're not going back to the 1800's.
/r/MGTOW207/09/19 07:23 AM
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I'd be up for an interview. Send me a direct message if interested.
/r/MGTOW206/09/19 05:43 AM
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I make a six-figure salary but I live in my van, because I simply don't need anything better than that. Why waste money on rent or house payments? People normally freak out when they find out about my living condition, as if something must be wrong with me, so I don't volunteer the information.
/r/MGTOW206/09/19 04:05 AM
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MGTOW probably will be counterculture until we develop a different approach to child rearing. For example, maybe infants and young children are raised by a group of women, and men slowly become more involved as the child becomes older. Men probably wouldn't take over primary responsibility for any child except for boys who are coming of age.
/r/MGTOW206/09/19 04:00 AM
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I'm curious, about what age are the women who are OK with it when you're up front about seeing other women straight from the beginning? In my experience, women over about age 33 aren't nearly as likely to be OK with it.
/r/MGTOW205/09/19 04:33 PM
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If you want sex, then either learn to spin plates, or see sex workers.
/r/MGTOW205/09/19 01:05 AM
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Yeah, that's the route I'm pursuing -- accept the transactional nature of male-female relationships rather than rail against it. I think child rearing will eventually be done by groups of women, and some men, who really want to do it. I suspect the men may not be much involved in child rearing except for boys who are coming of age. That's probably a lot closer to how it was done pre-civilization.
/r/MGTOW205/09/19 01:01 AM
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Why do you think men and women are corrupt? They're just rebelling against a system that no longer works. Life-long committed relationships aren't the only way to structure society. We just need to figure out an alternative that works for both genders. Time to let go of the idea of a mate who will love you for a lifetime. Learn to receive the love that is all around you, if you just look for it and accept it.
/r/MGTOW205/09/19 12:56 AM
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a woman's biology makes her inherently evil Biology isn't good or evil, it just is. It's up to us to understand biology and work within its rules to make a happy life for all, men and women included. It appears marriage no longer works, so let's start searching for alternative solutions to gender relationships, ones that doesn't weigh anybody down with unwanted obligations.
/r/MGTOW204/09/19 07:42 PM
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Spend the time and money needed to find good sex workers who really care about doing a good job and building a connection with their clients. And then find some professional cuddlers who do the same. I find that professional cuddlers make it much easier to go longer between seeing my favorite sex workers, and they're a whole lot less expensive. I can't imagine going back to dating and having just one woman provide me with the variety of companionship I get now as a MGTOW. And I don't care to spi…
/r/MGTOW203/09/19 06:04 PM
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Totally agree. Just paying a professional for female companionship, when needed, is such a huge time saver compared to PUA and dating -- time I can invest in my goals and career advancement instead. And, since I no longer need to impress women for dating, I can save enough money in other areas to more than make up for the cost of paying professionals.
/r/MGTOW202/09/19 07:16 PM
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I'm totally focused on mastering my craft, which is building software. I feel so free to be able to put in as many hours as I want, and not have to worry about any other obligations. I'm to the point now where companies are starting to bid against each other for my services, and it feels great.
/r/MGTOW231/08/19 08:49 PM
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I'm 60, and my life experience has been about the same, except my mom and sister have never used me. But it is interesting to note that my sister married a guy with many alpha qualities, who provided well for her. My dad was beta, and it was always obvious she despised him for that, although she didn't divorce him due to her religious beliefs. The four women I've had significant relationships with all used me, extracting what time and resources they could and then losing interest after I've been…
/r/MGTOW228/08/19 11:35 PM
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In my mind, there's a big difference between having a girlfriend and having kids. I always wanted a girlfriend so I could get enough physical affection and sex. I've never wanted marriage or kids, but I ended up with them anyway because of my really strong need for physical affection -- I had a wife who gave it to me so I caved and let her have the kids she wanted. Of course, that didn't work out in the long run -- we're divorced now. Thankfully, there are now good options to get needs for physi…
/r/MGTOW222/08/19 08:44 PM
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"Completely amoral and criminal", "totally classless and narcissistic" -- that's exaggeration to the point of hatred. No one is "completely" or "totally" anything.
/r/MGTOW217/08/19 11:39 PM
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We must be on a similar schedule, I just got back from seeing my favorite escort, who's older, and I feel great. I love the totally open honest connection we have -- she seems to be genuinely curious about my experiences with younger escorts, and encourages it. And she is totally open and honest with me about her hypergamous nature, telling me about guys she'd like to fuck (but always being nice and complimentary about me as well). There's no way that level of honest in communication would be po…
/r/MGTOW217/08/19 08:48 PM
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If you spend some time to find a quality escort, you can get some of your companionship meets met from her as well if you start seeing her regularly. Also, professional cuddlers provide good female companionship, at a much lower cost than escorts.
/r/MGTOW217/08/19 04:09 PM
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Bomb disposal life. That's an apt description.
/r/MGTOW216/08/19 08:37 PM
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Yes, but Rollo strongly says you should spin plates before ever getting into a long-term relationship (LTR). Once you're in an LTR, then maybe some nuance is appropriate.
/r/MGTOW213/08/19 10:04 PM
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Rollo seems to think that spinning plates is essential to building the confidence needed to avoid becoming a simp in a long-term relationship. He could be right. I find the idea of spinning plates to be quite unpleasant, however, mainly because I have to commit lies of omission with the women I'd be seeing (i.e. don't tell them I'm also seeing others). I prefer to just see multiple sex workers -- they expect that I'm seeing other sex workers. That probably doesn't build up confidence the way spi…
/r/MGTOW213/08/19 09:46 PM
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Yes, this is why MGTOW will be sustainable. Women will find a way to get sperm from whatever upper echelon of men they find desirable. The state will pay their way to raise the kids. Us MGTOW guys will pay our taxes and stay out of the child-rearing business.
/r/MGTOW213/08/19 04:46 PM
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This reminds me that I once heard that the male equivalent of a slut (a woman who gives away sex too easily) is a man who gives his commitment too easily. I hope that one day (probably far in the future) giving the other gender what it desires will be possible without such a heavy cost to the one doing the giving.
/r/MGTOW206/08/19 07:09 PM
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OK, be sure to let me know once you find the first woman willing to do this.
/r/MGTOW227/07/19 03:55 PM
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And you're somehow going to get enough women to sign up to do this charity work?
/r/MGTOW227/07/19 03:51 PM
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What's to stop a guy from claiming he's an incel in order to get free sex?
/r/MGTOW227/07/19 03:34 PM
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It's not the vagina, it's the chemicals that are released into our bloodstream when we ejaculate inside of it.
/r/MGTOW226/07/19 01:58 AM
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Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly, perhaps with this following exception: At no point should you be dumping more in than you're getting out. Once a person has a good variety of relationships meeting all of his needs, then I think it may be appropriate to do a bit of "philanthropy" to help someone out. Maybe the Big Brothers program, or something similar. Once I have all of my needs met, it's satisfying to be able to give a bit without expecting anything in return. But don't fall into the tr…
/r/MGTOW217/07/19 06:50 PM
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I agree -- I wish there was some way other than the internet to distribute this knowledge to young men. I have a 15-year old nephew to whom I'm gradually introducing these ideas -- I wish there were more ways to disseminate knowledge.
/r/MGTOW217/07/19 04:26 PM
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How would one prove that they qualify for this charitable service? It seems it would be easy for lots of guys to claim they're an incel in order to get some free sex. Demand would quickly overwhelm supply.
/r/MGTOW213/07/19 12:13 AM
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I don't think forming emotional bonds is a problem, so long as one is happy with the time constraints that still exist in the relationship. If fact, if the sex worker never develops any kind of interest in my life, or never thinks about me at all between sessions, then I eventually stop seeing her. I suppose having an emotional bond could be dangerous in that she might try to dig into my life and try to get me to cough up money for things other than our time together, but I've been taken to the …
/r/MGTOW212/07/19 05:56 AM
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Haven't seen a particular guy on here who thinks fapping is bad but escort sex is OK. I think both are OK, if done in moderation. The reason fapping isn't enough for me is because of the skin-to-skin contact I can get with an escort -- that gives me an important sense of satisfaction and need fulfillment (probably oxytocin-based feelings) that I can't get from fapping (which is probably nothing but a dopamine rush).
/r/MGTOW212/07/19 05:50 AM
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Damn, I wish this was true. But for me, there's something about skin-to-skin contact with a woman that can't be replaced by anything else.
/r/MGTOW210/07/19 04:42 AM
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That's what I do, and it works once you have the right mindset, and find the right sex worker(s) who genuinely care about their clients and want to do a good job. They are the minority, but they are out there.
/r/MGTOW210/07/19 04:42 AM
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Maybe from the outside, it seems ... that affection and comfort you're searching for is reciprocal, but it is not. I think that some of the women don't even fully aware of that. They're not trying to define what attracts them, they just attracted to it. But the attraction is definitely occurring in a different natural and biological way than males. Thus, there is a discrepancy in the attraction between males and females. Therefore, I believe there is not a real committed relationship with "real"…
/r/MGTOW210/07/19 04:35 AM
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Yes, there are lots of women out there, but they only desire the top 20% of men, the rest of us are simply seen as resource providers by women. I'd rather give my resources to sex workers, that way I stay in total control of how my resources are spent.
/r/MGTOW209/07/19 07:31 PM
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If she starts to feel like a parasite, you can immediately stop seeing her with no negative consequences.
/r/MGTOW208/07/19 12:26 AM
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The reason I got so financially wiped out at the end of my marriage was because my job skills became obsolete in the mid-sized city I was living in (I used to work programming IBM mainframe computers). There was no time or emotional energy left to update my skills on my own on the evenings and weekends when I had family issues to attend to all the time. So when I finally lost my job in 2012, I often went months between new jobs, and the new jobs were horrible since I didn't have the training to …
/r/MGTOW207/07/19 04:28 PM
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I'm 60 now, and wiped out financially from divorce and child support payments. I'll be spending the next 20 years working and saving up enough money so when I'm 80 I can at least afford a small, comfortable place to live. Currently, I live in a van "down by the river" so I can max out my 401k and Roth IRA contributions.
/r/MGTOW206/07/19 06:47 PM
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Yes, I would say most women have a deep innate desire to have kids no matter what -- most men can't understand what that's like. And when she wants kids, it's fairly easy for a woman to persuade a man into doing what it takes to get her pregnant.
/r/MGTOW204/07/19 05:12 PM
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I got the same chemical release from fucking a doll. Wow, this is very good news. Glad to see that these options are starting to work for some guys. Maybe I should work harder at getting it to work for me.
/r/MGTOW203/07/19 06:33 PM
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All seem like poor substitutes for an actual flesh-and-blood human woman at this point, but I do notice the technology slowly continues to improve. The technology doesn't have to become perfect to work, it has to be just good enough to stimulate our hind-brains into releasing the same chemicals we get when being with a flesh-and-blood human. I keep supporting these new technologies in the hopes they will improve to that point soon. It could be that for guys with better imaginations than I have, …
/r/MGTOW202/07/19 10:51 PM
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I have invested a lot of time and money in having pets (dogs and cats), and that didn't really do it for me either. I don't have pets any more since I determined they don't really meet my needs, so I'm glad to be rid of the financial and time obligations that come with having pets. I totally agree with you that us urban folk are like rats living in a plastic cage. I try to get out on weekends and take a forest bath: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/08/forest-bathing-japanese-prac…
/r/MGTOW202/07/19 07:25 PM
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Just talking with people in social circles isn't enough for me. But I do realize there's a big distinction between physical affection and sex. That's why I spend way more time with professional cuddlers than I do sex workers. The physical affection of cuddling comes close to meeting my needs, but an occasional boost from seeing a sex workers seems to meet all of them. Well, OK, I guess I'm addicted to cuddling and sex, but I don't see that as being any different than being addicted to healthy fo…
/r/MGTOW202/07/19 06:08 PM
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OK, if you can thrive without any human contact, good for you -- go for it. I just know from my own personal experience that I do much better in all areas of life if I get enough physical touch and sex. This seems to align with the research I linked to. Maybe your body is different somehow. I have no idea how anything on this thread could've triggered some sort of idea that pedophilia is being promoted.
/r/MGTOW202/07/19 05:48 PM
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Sex with another human being releases healthy chemicals into our bodies. If we go too long without those chemicals it becomes impossible to really thrive in life. Lots of research on this, here's a sample: https://www.insider.com/sex-effects-on-brain-2018-12
/r/MGTOW202/07/19 04:44 PM
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Enjoy the lack of need while it lasts, and build your wealth.
/r/MGTOW230/06/19 09:58 PM
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I doubt it was her friends who led her astray. The decision to do that was always in her. Good for you to be alone for a while. But in my experience can't stay entirely away from women forever -- just need to be able to relate to them on terms that aren't dangerous to our well being, no matter what stunts they pull.
/r/MGTOW230/06/19 04:28 AM
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all I want is for guys to know that this stuff happens, even to us "nice" guys. This stuff is more likely to happen to us because we're nice guys, not in spite of it. The trick is to figure out how to get our needs for female companionship and love met without getting dependent on them. Figuring this out is key to long-term male happiness, imo.
/r/MGTOW230/06/19 04:16 AM
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Yes, choosing the appropriate behavior given the current situation is an admirable skill to be developed. But there's nothing wrong with guys who enjoy demonstrating masculine traits seeking out situations where those traits are useful. I agree that toxic femininity does rarely end with physical violence, but I let myself become so blinded by blue-pill thinking that 3 different women in my adult life were able to swindle all of my money, and I had to start over from scratch after they dumped me …
/r/MGTOW229/06/19 09:22 PM
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Here's a brief definition of masculinity from Rollo Tomassi: a "predisposition for stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression." Many more details at: https://therationalmale.com/tag/masculinity/ Masculinity by itself is neither good nor bad. It's how we handle it, so it becomes either positive masculinity, or toxic masculinity. It's not always a clear line -- in some situations masculine behavior is a net positive, in others a net negative. The same is true for femininity. It can be eit…
/r/MGTOW229/06/19 09:11 PM
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Thanks for taking an interest on how we think. And I understand why you have a problem with a lot of our comrades, lots of guys are pretty damn angry when they first realize sexual relationships don't work the way we've all been taught by society to believe.
/r/MGTOW229/06/19 09:04 PM
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OK, but even in a newer relationship, if one partner isn't all that attracted, there's not a lot that can be done to increase the attraction levels and keep them there. In my experience, it's naive and dangerous to think it can be done. Now, sure, you can find someone who agrees to stay committed to you no matter what the attraction levels might be -- that is different. But keeping that commitment decade after decade is going to be harder than most people think.
/r/MGTOW229/06/19 05:29 AM
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You can negotiate commitment, but not genuine attraction. I tried as hard as I could to be attracted to my ex-wife near the end of the marriage, but it just couldn't happen given all that had happened between us. She felt (or didn't feel) the same about me. Then we had a choice, stay with the commitment in an attraction-less marriage? Didn't seem like a good idea to either of us, especially not to her since she stood to gain financially from the divorce.
/r/MGTOW228/06/19 10:18 PM
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Exactly. I've found more true intimacy with my GFE providers than I found with either of my 2 wives. One of my favorite GFE providers wrote this essay for her clients: ---------------------- “Why won’t you be my friend?” ​ Your eyes hold that question with such longing. You look young in this moment, like a child; hopeful and tender. ​ My heart aches at the vulnerability of it all. ​ I understand this request. ​ It makes so much sense to me. We’ve shared tears, laughter, and many emotions in bet…
/r/MGTOW228/06/19 09:19 PM
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Huh, doesn't really ring true for me, but I've *never* wanted to have kids -- so who she gets pregnant by doesn't matter, so long as it's not me! Jealously is almost a foreign emotion to me.
/r/MarriedRedPill28/06/19 04:38 AM
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Yes, this is a hard truth to swallow, but there is light on the other side. What I've found works for me is to find sex workers and professional cuddlers who do their best to meet my needs in the time we have together -- I dare say they do a MUCH better job of it than the really poor effort my ex-wife put in at the end of our marriage. If a sex worker doesn't seem to be trying her best, I can immediately move on to find one who does. To me, even though I know the sex workers wouldn't try to meet…
/r/MGTOW226/06/19 10:01 PM
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Damn, why haven't I thought of that line? Will definitely use it if I ever decide to date again, which is unlikely.
/r/MGTOW226/06/19 12:22 AM
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Wasn't aware of the "van down by the river" reference. Don't know how I missed the SNL skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv2VIEY9-A8 That is a classic.
/r/MGTOW225/06/19 06:45 PM
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When I date and I get asked that question, I tell them I don't pay rent because it doesn't build any long-term financial value. I can see their interest go up immediately. Then they ask me what kind of house or condo I have. I say "House or Condo? I just live in my van.". I always get dumped either on the spot or within a week. :)
/r/MGTOW225/06/19 06:19 PM
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In my experience sex workers are the clean ones. I've had much more sex with sex workers, and never caught anything from them. I've had chlamydia twice, once at age 22 and once at age 56, both from someone I was dating. Professional sex workers know their livelihood depends on staying STD-free, that's why they're cleaner than women you would date in a relationship. But I don't really consider anyone having an STD to be "dirty" -- almost all STDs are very easy to cure, or the symptoms go away ove…
/r/MGTOW225/06/19 12:29 AM
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The only reason I'm here is to share my experience with the young men. Sorta "community service" of some kind, you know? Yeah, that's why I'm here too -- hope to save some young men from all the pain and financial ruin I've gone through. Having to start over at age 60 is not ideal, but I am grateful it's not yet too late for me given I have good health and a good career, in which I should be able to make a lot of money for at least another 15 years. It's just I want them to stay away from me, th…
/r/MGTOW225/06/19 12:01 AM
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Yes, sounds like we're in agreement. I just wanted to point out that it is possible to get needs for human touch and sex met without getting into a relationship, even if you're not Chad. Most guys don't, I suspect, because it seems like a lot of money -- but in my experience it's actually less money than being in a committed relationship. And if I just want female company, being in the "friend-zone" isn't so much of a problem any more.
/r/MGTOW224/06/19 11:34 PM
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True, I was also very depressed for the last 4 years of my second marriage which lasted 14 years. That marriage trapped me into a situation where I couldn't get my needs met, since most women won't date a married man. But just getting divorced didn't help. I needed the physical affection and sex again to get over the depression. And I had a hard time dating since the divorce wiped me out financially and left me with huge child support payments. Women told me they respected me for gladly making t…
/r/MGTOW224/06/19 11:13 PM
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Good advice, but I don't measure financial progress by how much I make. I measure it by how much I save. I currently save $20K a year, and I do take time to enjoy that level of savings, and my focus now is on how to get that to $22K a year. I've found in the past that the best and easiest way to make progress on this goal is to focus on cutting expenses, rather than focusing on increasing income. Since I don't have to impress women, I can cut a out a lot of expenses that other guys consider "nec…
/r/MGTOW224/06/19 11:00 PM
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I used to think sex was not a need myself when I was 19. So I was celibate. The first 7 or 8 years went fine, but by the time I reached age 29, I was so depressed I couldn't work. Starting to date and have sex again cured the depression almost immediately. So now I'm careful to get some plenty of physical affection and/or sex when my body is beginning to thirst for it. That allows me to thrive in my work and be successful in my professional life. So I think sex is a need, just not as urgent a on…
/r/MGTOW224/06/19 09:50 PM
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I'm 60, and I lost many times $57,000 on bad relationships until I finally had enough pain to stop. I'm just grateful I have an alternative now that works. Still plenty of time left to enjoy the alternative that works, no need to waste emotional energy wishing I could go back in time. The MGTOW knowledge I needed back then just simply wasn't available to me. Not my fault.
/r/MGTOW222/06/19 08:31 PM
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That's about what I spend on seeing professional cuddlers and sex workers. But I dare say almost all of my memories are good, not bad. Can't go without female companionship altogether, at least I can't. I get too depressed if I go without physical affection. Fortunately, my income is high enough that I still have enough money left left over to save 10% of my income. I wouldn't spend as much as I do on professional cuddlers and sex workers if I couldn't save at least that much money.
/r/MGTOW222/06/19 07:38 PM
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So you're willing to accept nonsensical stuff that was written 1900 years ago as ultimate truth? I'm not willing to do that, that is why I am not a Christian.
/r/MGTOW215/06/19 09:26 PM
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I would say if you're an average guy and pursuing a mission is going well, and has potentially large long-term payoffs, and the pursuit of the mission requires almost all of your time and energy, then it may be worthwhile to focus on that mission rather than spending time to get jacked at the gym and then chasing women. Instead, just work out enough to stay in reasonably good health, see a sex worker as needed, and spend whatever other time is available on getting that mission accomplished. Afte…
/r/TheRedPill14/06/19 12:09 AM
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God's love is eternal but he'll let billions of people suffer in eternity with no chance of things getting any better? That is nonsensical.
/r/MGTOW213/06/19 11:00 PM
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Why does time have to run out? Why can't God's love be eternal?
/r/MGTOW212/06/19 01:06 PM
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Problem with that solution is that it leaves a large percentage of men without any sex at all, which creates a lot of problems for society. That may very well be how monogamous marriage got its start. Maybe the compromise is that if you take multiple wives you have to be OK with them doing sex work, so the men without wives can still have some sort of intimacy in their lives.
/r/MGTOW211/06/19 11:17 PM
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does that make me better "better" in this case is a value judgment using the blue-pill ideal of life-long pair bonding. Neither men nor women are truly suited for life-long pair bonding. Life-long pair bonding is a compromise between men's desire for sexual variety, and women's hypergamy -- a compromise that seemed to work OK in the past, but culture has changed to the point where the compromise no longer works, at least not for men. I don't see hypergamy as a bad thing -- it's just how women ar…
/r/MGTOW211/06/19 07:28 PM
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And yet this "God" never gives them a chance to change simply because they were skeptical of what was written in a 1900 year old book, and wasn't consistent with what was written in religious texts in other parts of the world? I can't imagine anything more hateful than that.
/r/MGTOW211/06/19 07:09 PM
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By "prior assumptions" I didn't mean what you were taught as a child. You say your faith can't be shattered. I believe you. But I don't see that as a virtue, I see it as a vice. I am always open to new evidence and new truth, willing to give up what I believe now to achieve higher truths as they are presented to me.
/r/MGTOW211/06/19 04:53 PM
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So it's ethically OK with you to be jealous and angry at people who are on the wrong track, and to never love them enough to give them an opportunity to improve?
/r/MGTOW211/06/19 04:48 PM
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I feel sorry for you, believing in such a hateful and vengeful god.
/r/MGTOW211/06/19 04:02 PM
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How can anything be more hateful than a God who sends people to eternal torment in hell?
/r/MGTOW210/06/19 06:25 PM
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No matter what level of hell one is in, what's the point of punishing someone for eternity? The whole reason to punish someone is to correct their behavior in the future, but if the punishment is eternal there is no future in which to behave better. It makes no sense.
/r/MGTOW210/06/19 04:00 PM
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If your faith can't be shattered then you don't have an open mind, nor are you willing to give up prior assumptions in the face of new evidence. Not the way I want to live.
/r/MGTOW210/06/19 03:48 PM
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I left Christianity 40 years ago (at age 20) because the concept of eternal torture in hell was obviously absurd, and couldn't come from anything that was truthful. Also, if God is all-powerful, why do so many people who genuinely seek Him end up with different answers on what one must believe/do to avoid eternal torture and be saved? Just didn't make any sense to me -- seemed much more likely it was all an invention of the powers-that-be in the late Roman Empire and the Middle Ages to try and k…
/r/MGTOW210/06/19 01:35 AM
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and will alaccompany me my whole life You lost me there. Keeping a woman's interest for a lifetime is an impossible task, in my experience. As the red-pillers say, "She's not your, it's just your turn".
/r/MGTOW208/06/19 04:29 PM
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If you want to do that I suspect most professional cuddlers would be OK with it.
/r/MGTOW208/06/19 04:24 AM
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The professional cuddlers I see have all been trained on how to deal with clients that get sexual. They're not going to claim sexual assault unless the client refuses to leave after she ends the session due to misbehavior. Although false sexual assualt claims do happen, they are extremely rare, I've never heard of it happening with a professional cuddler. We can't protect ourselves from all risks. BlackDragon has a great take on this issue. He says that if a problem has a 2% chance or less of ha…
/r/MGTOW207/06/19 08:45 PM
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The professional cuddler I see is open to talking about most anything, including really personal stuff that usually one only talks with a therapist about. However, she doesn't allow me to talk about explicit details of sexual experiences I have with sex workers -- that seems like a violation to her of the "platonic only" relationship we have.
/r/MGTOW207/06/19 06:55 PM
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Good point about the children of WW2 warriors. Passing on wisdom and values is now way more important than passing on DNA. I dare say many red-pill men who have no children but are sharing their wisdom and values are leaving a much larger legacy for the future than blue-pill men with a bunch of kids.
/r/MGTOW206/06/19 07:36 PM
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I got married at age 42 in 2001 before Red Pill knowledge was available, and I still got screwed over. Rebuilding my life from scratch now at age 60.
/r/MGTOW205/06/19 06:02 PM
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I am 60, and I find professional cuddlers meet this need very well for me.
/r/MGTOW205/06/19 04:48 PM
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I don't regret the blue pill mistakes I made in the past. Information on how to avoid those mistakes simply wasn't available to me -- I don't see how I could've done any better given the information I had at the time.
/r/MGTOW203/06/19 03:56 AM
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I find that I have no desire to go back to the dating world after finding a way to hire professional cuddlers and sex workers on a regular basis, and still sock a good chunk of my income away in investments.
/r/MGTOW203/06/19 02:04 AM
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Another thing that gives me a sense of purpose is the political fight for sex worker decriminalization, which finally seems to be gaining some traction. Sex workers are what makes it possible for me to be MGTOW and happy and productive, so I am highly motivated to do whatever it takes to decriminalize sex work in my lifetime.
/r/MGTOW202/06/19 05:44 PM
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I get paid reasonably well to create software that I'm lucky enough to enjoy creating, and use of the software I know makes people's day-to-day work lives less stressful and more enjoyable. I write custom software for large corporations. I enjoy doing it, I enjoy being really good at it, and I take satisfaction in knowing that other office workers have less stress in their lives because of the quality of the software I create (the numbers are right the first time -- minimal error correcting befo…
/r/MGTOW202/06/19 04:39 PM
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More power to you. When I go into monk mode, after about 3-5 years I get so depressed I lose the ability to hold a job.
/r/MGTOW231/05/19 07:04 PM
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Some escorts will do that.
/r/MGTOW231/05/19 03:22 AM
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What do you do for physical affection?
/r/MGTOW230/05/19 10:11 PM
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A white cargo van decreases your chances of someone detecting you're living in your van, and complaining about it. This is called "stealth" camping. In Los Angeles the police department has maps posted on their web site showing what streets are OK for overnight vehicle dwelling. Even if it is "illegal", I doubt the penalties would be very high for a first offense. If you're stealthy enough, no one will care if you dwell in your vehicle overnight.
/r/MGTOW228/05/19 08:59 PM
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It appears this discussion supposes that there are two ways to get affection in relationships: Develop the frame and skills necessary to become a player who's experienced abundance, then it might be safe to settle into a long-term relationship with a strong enough frame to not get into trouble. Howdoiusesync says the "best affection comes from the ones that want you but you never give them the fruit", in response to TheScarletScholar who says he's "found affection from girls that I've known for …
/r/TheRedPill25/05/19 12:15 AM
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Being intimate with another human being who I feel connected to releases certain chemicals into my body that can't be released by any other means that I've found, be it fapping, flesh light, sex dolls, or fun hobbies. The lack of those chemicals eventually leads to depression, at least for me (although it's a slow process that sometimes takes years for the depression to show up). The trick is to figure out how to relate to sex workers in way that makes me feel connected -- that takes finding at …
/r/MGTOW221/05/19 07:02 PM
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Yes, no health problems. I'm in shape, go to the gym 3 times a week.
/r/MGTOW220/05/19 05:33 PM
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I'm 60, and the craving does decrease, but it's not gone yet. I still like to see a sex workers once a month or so.
/r/MGTOW220/05/19 03:44 AM
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I've been seeing a professional cuddler for about a year now, and it's been great. Now that my needs for affection are met, my desire for a girlfriend has dropped to zero. If I ever do want a girlfriend in the future, I can be confident it will be for good reasons rather than a craving to get needs met. I can talk to my cuddler about anything, so she's become a good friend too.
/r/MGTOW218/05/19 03:32 AM
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I've been seeing a professional cuddler for about a year now, and it's been great. Now that my needs for affection are met, my desire for a girlfriend has dropped to zero. If I ever do want a girlfriend in the future, I can be confident it will be for good reasons rather than a craving to get needs met. I can talk to my cuddler about anything, so she's become a good friend too.
/r/MGTOW218/05/19 03:31 AM
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I've been seeing a professional cuddler for about a year now, and it's been great. Now that my needs for affection are met, my desire for a girlfriend has dropped to zero. If I ever do want a girlfriend in the future, I can be confident it will be for good reasons rather than a craving to get needs met. I can talk to my cuddler about anything, so she's become a good friend too.
/r/MGTOW218/05/19 03:31 AM
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Distinguishing between sex, romantic love, and commitment is important. Also important to me is making a distinction between physical affection, sex, romantic love, and commitment. To me, physical affection with another human being is the one thing my life does have to include in order for me to thrive and avoid depression. Sorry dog lovers -- I tried getting a dog and it just didn't do it for me. It is possible to get plenty of physical affection without sex, romantic love, or commitment, via p…
/r/MGTOW211/05/19 07:47 PM
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I really wish this info had been available in my 20's. I'm 60 now, and rebuilding from scratch after two disastrous marriages. Oh well, better late than never. Some guys never catch on to these realities.
/r/TheRedPill03/05/19 07:08 PM
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A lot of marriages would last longer if women could accept that their men see sex workers after the sex in the marriage goes stale.
/r/MGTOW227/04/19 10:12 PM
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It takes a special mindset to be able to get one's needs met and feel fulfilled by seeing sex worker(s) regularly.
/r/MGTOW227/04/19 10:11 PM
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3 Slender
/r/MGTOW213/04/19 10:49 PM
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This is the kind of service provider you need to look for: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/call-girl-confidence
/r/MGTOW210/04/19 07:38 PM
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There are some sex workers who are able and willing to care about their clients on a consistent and dependable basis within the time-bound nature of the relationship, and that's good enough for me. Finding sex workers who do this takes a lot of trial and error, however.
/r/MGTOW207/04/19 04:24 AM
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Seeing a professional cuddler on a regular basis fixed the problem for me.
/r/MGTOW206/04/19 09:50 PM
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I agree with you. Hugging a dog just isn't the same, I wish it was.
/r/MGTOW206/04/19 09:48 PM
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Or the woman wanting to be free.
/r/MGTOW205/04/19 04:47 AM
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This is solid advice. Trying to control other people's behavior only leads to frustration and misery.
/r/MGTOW229/03/19 03:34 PM
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Seems to me like that would be a good thing.
/r/MGTOW225/03/19 05:46 PM
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Paying for a hooker only gets you a warm hole, not the affection and love which changes the whole process. Not all hookers are like that. There are plenty of sex workers who do give care and affection and emotional connection during the time we have together. You just need to keep looking until you find one or two or a few.
/r/MGTOW225/03/19 05:42 PM
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Dating is a loss leader sale. That is really true.
/r/MGTOW225/03/19 02:37 PM
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I think prostitution would lower the value of thots all over. It’d be bad for the state. Why would it be bad for the state?
/r/MGTOW225/03/19 02:36 PM
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If a woman respects you, and is attracted to you, sex is a wonderful thing that cannot be replaced by anything. True, but don't expect that to last for very long. A few years if you're lucky. If you marry her (or stay in an LTR with her out of a sense of obligation), then you're likely to end up being stuck in a bad situation for a very long time after her attraction to you has faded.
/r/MGTOW225/03/19 02:31 PM
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Sorry to hear about your experience so far. Mine was kind of similar, although I managed to finally get a long-term relationship about age 30. It almost seems as if I needed to have a relationship for a few years before I could get to the point of not wanting one any more.
/r/MGTOW219/03/19 03:48 AM
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A good hooker (not Brenda the corner street walker) can provide enough of an intimate encounter to sufficiently quell that need should it become bothersome. That's what I've been doing for about a year now, and it works great. I don't plan on ever getting into a long-term relationship again.
/r/MGTOW213/03/19 09:35 PM
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To get a girlfriend, I would have to spend more on housing, clothing, and my car than I like to. In that sense, men do pay for sex, unless they naturally want the same kind of housing, clothing, and car that is needed to attract a woman anyway. If you don't have to spend more money to get a girlfriend to have sex with (because you naturally want those things anyway), you will at least have to pay in terms of time and compromise to make the relationship work. No relationship is free.
/r/MGTOW225/02/19 12:12 AM
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Yes, I have no idea why some men pay those outrageous fees. They must have more money than sense. Maybe it's a status thing to impress others? In my experience, $350 an hour is plenty to get a great experience with a very attractive young woman. Four hours a month with an $80/hour cuddler and two hours a month with a sex worker is enough for me, and that's affordable. If a guy needs more time than that with women, it may be a sign that he doesn't have a mission that's important enough to him. Or…
/r/MGTOW225/02/19 12:00 AM
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Glad to hear from someone else that's been successful with this approach to getting needs met! However, in Los Angeles I haven't found anyone for less that $300 who's any good. My favorite is $350.
/r/MGTOW224/02/19 11:56 PM
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Replying to the edit you added later: You've given up power because you want to fulfill needs. Yes, that's what I did in my marriage. The question is, how else to fulfill the needs? Get control of them and they won't control you Yes, that is sound advice (unless you're talking about trying to control just one woman -- people resent being controlled). I think the BlackDragon blog has some of the best advice out there on how to accomplish this. BlackDragon dates several women at the same time (eve…
/r/MGTOW224/02/19 11:53 PM
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All good questions: Imagine what that money can do for you as far as self improvement, bettering yourself as a man, etc. You can travel, further your education, etc. I've discovered that if I don't get enough physical affection and emotional intimacy, my ability to advance in my career drops to zero, and there was even one time where my productivity dropped so low I got fired. Now that my physical and emotional needs are met, I eagerly indulge in self improvement, lifting weights, travelling, fu…
/r/MGTOW224/02/19 07:01 PM
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By the way, I've started a subreddit to discuss these issues: /r/SexWorkerClients
/r/MGTOW224/02/19 05:58 PM
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I used to agree with you back in the 1990's. I used to feel bad a day or so after seeing a sex worker. But I've finally figured out how to build relationships with sex workers that are satisfying, sustainable, and within my budget. I also see a professional cuddler to make sure I get enough physical affection between seeing my regular sex workers -- that really helps to cut down on the cost. A professional cuddler only charges about 25% of what a good sex worker does. After having mostly bad exp…
/r/MGTOW224/02/19 05:57 PM
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No, I'm not married. They're all sex workers (except for the professional cuddler).
/r/TheRedPill18/02/19 09:44 PM
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Consistency with the same 2 or 3 women is what's important to me. If I lose a relationship with one, I search for another one to rotate in. I see each woman once a month. I see a professional cuddler on the weeks I don't see an escort, just to make sure I don't end up getting needy for human touch.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/19 09:41 PM
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I've discovered a way to have a consistent sex life outside of marriage by paying for it, and by taking the time to find escorts who actually want to do a good job, and want to connect with me emotionally the best they can in the time-bounded ongoing relationship we have. Of course, this requires I have a mission in life that earns enough money to afford this and build a retirement nest egg, and requires that the mission gives me something to focus on besides the women in my life. Without the mi…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/19 09:24 PM
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Yes, I agree, and I've learned the hard way, unfortunately.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/19 09:22 PM
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Yeah, but under the spell of infatuation, it easy to rationalize that it won't happen to me.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/19 09:17 PM
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For a lot of men it's because they think that promising monogamy is the only way they'll ever have a regular sexual partner.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/19 08:53 PM
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Yes, this is probably true. I once thought an LTR would get rid of that feeling that I was lacking the love and validation I needed and craved. And it did. But then just 2-3 years into the relationship the full force of all the unwanted obligations hits hard, and the relationship falls apart. For me, at least, going my own way and only having time-bound relationships without obligation gives me what I truly need. Then I can focus on my mission without restrictions.
/r/MGTOW211/02/19 06:34 PM
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I don't disagree with your main point, but one should be aware that seeing sex workers may not help if nothing more than an orgasm happens. When I hired cheap sex workers who really didn't care at all about forming any kind of human connection with me --- they just got me off and got out -- I was left feeling just as empty as before seeing sex workers. But then I finally found some good sex workers who really do try to connect with me. They listen to me with intent and focus, they understand me,…
/r/MGTOW211/02/19 07:45 AM
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Yes, that's what I do. Works great. I'll never go back to paying rent.
/r/MGTOW226/01/19 04:56 AM
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Only hooker that might work for USD$80/hour is a streetwalker, and I highly recommend to avoid those. Yes, I have developed my career to the point where an annual expense of $4K is quite affordable for me. A guy needs to get that career development done first, unfortunately, if he wants to avoid the dating game to get physical needs met.
/r/MGTOW223/01/19 12:27 AM
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I've tried both massages and pets, and they can't give me near the satisfaction of my need for human touch that a good professional cuddler can for $80 an hour.
/r/MGTOW222/01/19 08:36 PM
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Has anyone here tried it? Yes, and I recommend professional cuddling very highly. The physical affection of a good cuddler really takes the edge off for me, and I'm able to function much better in life and at my job. I do experience some sexual frustration during the cuddle session, but it quickly fades after the session is over, and the satisfaction of having had some good physical affection lasts for many days. I'm gradually going to work in seeing an escort in addition to a professional cuddl…
/r/MGTOW222/01/19 08:35 PM
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Wow, I think I'll make that song my personal anthem.
/r/MGTOW219/01/19 06:59 PM
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You should check out BlackDragon's blog. He has a system on how to do polygyny in today's culture. Just google "BlackDragon blog" to find his stuff.
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