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asking a random girl "What sandwich should I get" If a male stranger asked me that, I'd think he's mentally on a child's level. ​ In general, I'm surprised that the "talk to her like to an old friend" or "assume familiarity" method works as often as it does, which is still rarely.
/r/seduction12/12/18 02:38 AM
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Most would rather have sex with many women whom other men don't have sex with, in other words, their own big private harem. ​ But the reality is not about what we want, but what we can get...
/r/seduction12/12/18 02:32 AM
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Seconded, looks are the "first round". Your personality only comes to the play on the later rounds, but it doesn't make a difference if you already got disqualified/rejected on the first.
/r/seduction12/12/18 02:29 AM
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Girls like guys that are sincerely nice. ​ What's the difference between a sincerely nice guy and nice guy?* ​ ​ * A handsome face.
/r/seduction12/12/18 02:16 AM
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> I'm not going to chase you. If you like me, fine, if not, that's fine too ​ That logic will leave many, if not most, guys playing with themselves. Women usually only like the most popular guys, PUAs and social scientists call it "pre-selection". It's the same logic as when seeing two restaurants, one almost empty and the other one almost full, you go to the popular one because you trust the opinion of others. Or if one product has lots of positive reviews and the alternative none or just a few…
/r/seduction12/12/18 02:15 AM
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If a dose of reality sours your mood, your "frame" must be weak. ​ It's essentially a cultish mentality, if comments about methods or "mindsets" not bringing the promised results are discarded by saying that the fault is in the person and not in the method, as if the effectiveness of the method was taken as granted (just because some "guru" said so).
/r/seduction12/12/18 02:10 AM
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Truly, what IF I acted however I felt like? Not stifled by doubt or negativity. ​ Most guys would simply act socially retarded, like a child. That's why we have "doubts": because we have observed people for years and can estimate how they're likely to respond and what is socially appropriate. ​ By and large, women don't like strangers approaching them, even though guys (and especially the "gurus") like to convince themselves otherwise. When you cold approach, you start with a "negative attractio…
/r/seduction12/12/18 02:03 AM
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It's mostly looks and social status (like being a trust fund kid who can show a woman good time and raise her above her female friends). Even then, luck still plays a significant part. ​ With cold approaching, the skill needed is rudimentary, and after that it's mostly about coming across loose and crazy enough a woman. ​ BTW, If that is Torero's rate, he's exaggerating it at least by a tenfold. Besides he travels to 3rd world countries to improve his chances.
/r/seduction09/12/18 09:25 AM
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It's also interesting to realize that women wouldn't be doing it without male protection. Were there not bouncers, men could be much more "direct" with these cock-teases. Our society creates breeding grounds for dysfunctional behavior.
/r/seduction09/12/18 08:36 AM
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can't help but feel like they're getting results in SPITE of their ''game' It's amazing how many commenters here go into great lengths to deny it. ​ I also agree that the early Mystery and Tyler material is probably the best hope for seduction. Nowadays the commercial PUAs (including Bradicus) use basic talk and the typical "interview questions" and girls are into them because of their looks or nationality. ​ Nevertheless, the "golden age PUA" success was largely because of the absence of Tinder…
/r/seduction08/12/18 05:21 PM
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yet it doesn't go with them supposedly preferring older guys. ​ To your credit, at least you wrote "supposedly". Young women preferring old guys is just wishful thinking from those who desperately believe that years of self-improvement and socializing would turn them into a more attractive man who could win the young fuckboys with his "life experience". ​ In general, (young) women don't want a guy who is 5 years older than them. An age gap of 10+ years is playing on the "Nightmare" difficulty le…
/r/seduction08/12/18 11:41 AM
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This is ridiculous what sub about getting laid with hot girls I've realized that the spirit of this sub is fundamentally beta, how beta males would approach seduction and dating. They want to see women as equals, want to get along with everyone (except the "bad guys") and are amenable to political correctness. It shapes their goals and methods.
/r/seduction08/12/18 11:34 AM
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Google "sour grapes"
/r/seduction08/12/18 10:14 AM
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Yes, one of the hard-won and battle-tested results of the Seduction Community is that men should lower their standards. Some PUA gurus even charge for teaching this secret inner game epiphany.
/r/seduction08/12/18 07:54 AM
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I would like to see the citations for your number. For some reason, academics shy away from research questions like this. The 40% was based on the estimation that about 50% of college-age chicks are fuckable, or in other words, can catch the fancy of top males. Women who belong to that group can have casual sex with the "best men" (best being determined by a woman's peer group). Why would they then accept sex with inferior men? On the other hand, only top males are welcome to the in-crowd partie…
/r/seduction07/12/18 04:46 PM
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I sometimes feel like a guy arguing with "free energy" enthusiasts telling them that observations suggest that what they are trying to do is impossible. It's convenient to dismiss him by calling him a negative killjoy. built a life that he loves Nerds love computers, video games and science. It doesn't make women gravitate to their way. Speaking of hobbies, I don't know any hobby that would get its average participant laid. The best chance are hobbies that have public performances or competition…
/r/seduction06/12/18 06:56 PM
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​ Although that's exactly how you're supposed to find a mate. ​ Based on what? Matchmaking has been a group decision for thousands, maybe millions, of years. Either the elder of the tribe or parents decide. Modern style of cold approaching or pick-up has never existed before. ​ > But in the end the answer is always, approach. ​ I see this as a self-defeating attitude. A guy would be content going from one woman to the next getting rejected hundreds of times, and yet feels good about it because a…
/r/seduction06/12/18 04:07 PM
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About 40% are having casual sex with the hottest guys, hookups at frat or house parties and on Tinder. Clubs have mostly gone out of style, but in some cities they are still an option too, especially for the older crowd. ​ A woman can have casual sex with a man at least two points above her, and also easily date up at least by one point.
/r/seduction06/12/18 03:43 PM
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At least I got the "epiphany" why I routinely clash with the inner game crowd: I try to form the most accurate picture of the reality, whereas the "mindset" guys are trying to find a belief or way of thinking that will make them feel good and motivated.
/r/seduction06/12/18 03:34 PM
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be more out going! Crack a joke once in a while, get a little cocky, be confident in yourself There's a good reason why beta males are not like that. Because then the alpha male will slash at them and put them back to their place.
/r/seduction06/12/18 11:55 AM
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The question is how long the delusion can last. Being positive and going out approaching for years without getting laid. Maybe at some point the guy snaps and shoots a school. Or in the slightly more likely case, he'll suffer enough by wasting thousands of hours in cold approaching or doing some female-oriented hobby to lower his standards and will become only a mild annoyance to others around him boasting over his "hb9" girlfriend he stumbled upon after hundreds of approaches whom others consid…
/r/seduction06/12/18 11:00 AM
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In the real world, we are at the mercy of others. If you don't get paid, you starve. With sex, the effect is more subtle because you don't directly die from the lack of it, but it still causes similar mental suffering. For me, the "learning to be happy without sex" is similar to suggesting to learn to be happy living as a homeless person on the street. It can be done (look at the yogis in India), but is it sensible to divorce yourself from the reality like that?
/r/seduction06/12/18 10:51 AM
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Your mindset is irrelevant, as long as you're able to get out of bed and talk normally. ​ The problem is that most men have nothing to offer that women would be interested in or want (they might need it, but young women would rather have cake than vegetables). Women don't care about personality, "passion" or self-confidence, those are just excuses they offer to manage their public image. They care about handsome face, getting into exclusive parties, and popularity that is usually achievable only…
/r/seduction06/12/18 10:35 AM
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I did't read that article, but in the earlier "Millennials are having less sex than their parents" articles, the difference has been at best about 10% . On the other hand, the last decade has seen the rise of "chads" who are having more sex than anyone before. They can just order a girl to fuck from Tinder while lying on a couch. It's the "sexual middle class" that's being squeezed out. Social media has concentrated women to the handful of the most popular and handsome men in their vicinity. Ver…
/r/seduction06/12/18 10:16 AM
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if she has having fun with her friends why she would want me, what for? Indeed, unless you have access to something even more fun and prestigious. ​ "Enjoy your life and wait and hope that women will be attracted to it" is a forlorn hope. Women are unlikely interested in some well-dressed nerd who enthuses over tuning cars, playing tabletop games, craft beer of whatever guys these days consider a cool hobby.
/r/seduction05/12/18 11:57 PM
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If he can do it, you can too. There can be only a handful of famous comedians or professional athletes in a sport. On the other hand, someone will end up being one of them out of necessity. ​ You should look up "survivorship bias"
/r/seduction05/12/18 11:50 PM
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Getting results is the entire point. Doing ineffective things, even if courageously, is just mental masturbation.
/r/seduction05/12/18 11:43 PM
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he means FIND YOURSELF This is a tad strange too: as if men weren't already pursuing the hobbies they like. Guys here seem to think that if the nerd of the class gets a haircut, learns to dress well and speak like men who get laid a lot, then he'd somehow upend the jocks and pretty boys. Nevertheless, he's still less handsome than them. It doesn't matter whether you lose to competition by an inch or a mile, you lose all the same. That being said, most men who find success do so when they lower t…
/r/seduction05/12/18 10:16 PM
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Not really. Imagine if almost every guy on a class or course proposing to the two or three attractive women in it. The result would be the same as it has already been: the handsome and popular men get to pork her and the rest can feel awesome how they got the courage to ask her out.
/r/seduction05/12/18 09:25 PM
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Indeed, the "Just be yourself" is stupid advice to guys who didn't get much by being themselves. Some here preach "self-love" and disqualifying women out of your life by being yourself, but by doing that you're gonna be alone a lot. In general, you're too "gamey" if women can sense that you're following routines. Or just signs of dishonesty like the "I know this is kinda random, I mean, I don't do this often but I had to stop and say hi..."
/r/seduction05/12/18 09:17 PM
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The reality is like that to many people. It can be worthwhile to ponder if the promises of "studying seduction" are even possible or likely. Guys on this sub like to delude themselves into "abundance" and whatnot, but it doesn't change their results. Maybe there is some benefit in changing yourself to enjoy a sexless life.
/r/seduction05/12/18 08:27 PM
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In my opinion, seduction ebooks and videos are worse than they were 8 years ago. Not that they were particularly good then either. A lot of pranksters, mindset masturbators or hiring actresses for the latest "same day lay threesome" infield. The consensus in "The Community" seems to have shifted to the admission that game doesn't help much, and getting laid is about looks or "numbers game". One petty PUA used to ban guys from his forum for "game denialism" but after a few years he's come around.…
/r/seduction05/12/18 07:25 PM
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That's the typical situation of a man who is not handsome or popular. Attractive women are scarce and already get all the sex they want from handsome and popular men. There is no untapped undiscovered source of women. ​ Maybe you could start some stupid hobby like dancing or frisbee-throwing. That may get you a plain at best girlfriend in a few years. But that's what people on this sub consider a great success and a proof that you're worked on yourself and grown as a man.
/r/seduction05/12/18 06:10 PM
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Yeah, a percent or two of users report sexual dysfunction. At least with finasteride (a bit weaker similar dht-blocker) the impotence etc. recovers after stopping use.
/r/seduction05/12/18 12:12 PM
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the topic of male/female biological imperatives. She says how the females compete for the top male It seems that she approves of sharing the top male with other women, so it's a pot blaming a kettle situation.
/r/seduction05/12/18 12:04 PM
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In general, at no age. Celebrities don't count. ​ Better try the dutasteride and Rogaine combo while you still can, maybe minoxidil too, if you value your sex life and don't mind taking risks.
/r/seduction05/12/18 10:39 AM
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To be honest, unless you're in the top 10% of men in terms of looks/money I'd say ignore online apps (e.g. Tinder), night game and daygame and only focus on sex robots (and maybe social circle game, if you can get one to begin with)
/r/seduction03/12/18 05:05 PM
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No, it's just wishful thinking. It's somewhat supported by the trend that it's easier for a 30-something man to date 30-something women than it's for a man in his 20's or teens to date women of his own age or younger. ​ But the big question is: who even wants to sleep with and much less date 30+ y.o. women?
/r/seduction03/12/18 04:06 PM
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Wide jaw, bigger than average chin and nose, hollow cheeks, high cheek bones, big eyes which are more wide than round.
/r/seduction03/12/18 03:59 PM
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This is true. ​ To put it more simply, there are three types of women: high-cock count women who have regular casual sex. Even betas can have a shot at them, if no alphas are available that night. low-cock count women who only have casual sex with handsome men, and when they're drunk, maybe only once or twice in their lives. So only the most popular men increase their notch count with these women Frigid and ugly women who are of no interest to alphas and who usually reject betas. They might shac…
/r/seduction23/11/18 10:13 PM
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I'd wager that the primary reason for increased success is that you're not dealing with teenage girls anymore, but with older women. In other words, the change in women is the significant factor. Body language is not rocket science, or even algebra. We instinctively sense how a person feels, even if we can't name the gestures which communicate it. There are a few a little unintuitive signs, like touching her hair, but you can read a list of those in an afternoon.
/r/seduction22/11/18 07:34 AM
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I'm puzzled over why guys on this sub hate to admit that getting laid is mostly outside of your control or influence and any learnable skill makes a small difference sometimes at best. For example, the ratio of sexually open women to guys more handsome than you and are in social circles with them is much more important than anything that you could "work on" or "improve".
/r/seduction22/11/18 03:02 AM
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Men's prime is being a senior both at HS and college. Although handsome and popular men will have their prime throughout their educational years. Afterwards there's no such a concentration of women anymore, and women are already over their experimentation and have the jaded "been there, done that" attitude to casual sex.
/r/seduction21/11/18 06:21 AM
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> was wondering of daygame pick up was a viable option for a guy who isn't looking for sex, but somethinf more serious ​ If you're willing to look past the surface, in other words, don't mind what the woman looks like, it could be doable.
/r/seduction17/11/18 08:12 PM
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> but she turned me down and shook my hand. ​ You could've said something alpha-like, such as "since you're not putting out, you do realize what I'm about to do with this hand next...at least you will be in my thoughts"
/r/seduction17/11/18 08:01 PM
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I listened until her "garage epiphany". The moral of her story for us guys: getting into hard-drinking party groups and drugs is a good way to get laid. No mention of meditation, gym-going, reading books or whatever people her call "self-improvement".
/r/seduction16/11/18 03:17 AM
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> if you have no social life you have to start there Attractive people already have busy or overbooked social lives and partying schedules. There's hardly any reason why they'd welcome an avid self-improver who only has his "awesome personality" to bring to the table. Often men trying to become more social end up in meetups or hobbies with other unpopular people (mostly men), which obviously doesn't help with one's seduction goals. It's nasty details like these which make one doubtful if the adv…
/r/seduction14/11/18 10:22 PM
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women don't like the inequality and refuse to change, which is untrue I find it to be true. Just look at women in the work place, women's organizations and female "thought leaders". your strawman points out the inequality of men/women in the workforce It shows that when women want the world to change, it will change. Partially, because most men give in to female demands, maybe in their "tough guy" delusions which women routinely exploit. But men don't awaken such sympathy in the opposite sex, or…
/r/seduction14/11/18 09:34 PM
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Yes and yes.
/r/seduction14/11/18 06:56 PM
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Boohoo, the world works like this but I wish it to work like this instead! If the world changed, then I wouldn't have to, wahhh. I wonder why more people don't give this as an answer to women when they complain about inequality or sexual harassment. Instead, the world (well, society) actually changes according to women's wishes and interest.
/r/seduction14/11/18 06:11 PM
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Social media also saves time in and outsources responsibility for screening men. It's convenient for her to look the level of partying, traveling and trendiness of friends a man showcases on social media. It's also quite entertaining, especially with female friends, to find faults in a guy from the evidence he's documented. With more passive women, social media pierces a man into a woman's awareness through mutual friends and their feeds and likes. She may eventually develop a positive feeling a…
/r/seduction14/11/18 05:59 PM
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> she blew up my phone everyday and was begging for my attention ​ This is likely to happen, if you're dating a chick who's clearly below your sexual market value or simply desperate and somewhat crazy. But more attractive women are likely to simply accept the offer of one of the good-looking men asking them for a drink.
/r/seduction14/11/18 05:50 PM
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It's weird, desperate too, but that's the best day game can do. At least it's not illegal (in the States at least). Usually people have some other reason to get to know each other than one-sided attraction. Confidence is situational and "naturally" confident men are usually so only with friends and in situations where they feel their behavior bears no consequences.
/r/seduction13/11/18 09:05 PM
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missed the point OP was trying to make OP's point was just another "nice guys finish last" type of consolation advice.
/r/seduction13/11/18 02:59 PM
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abolishing the fear of being disliked Which is there to prevent you from doing socially retarded things.
/r/seduction13/11/18 02:41 PM
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We are social creatures and our emotions have evolved to reflect our rank in the group or society. Some portion of guys will always inevitably have to be unpopular and "out of luck" with women. ​ It's not politically correct to make fun of many qualities of a person, but not getting laid is still an open season, probably because women like it as a means of putting guys down.
/r/seduction13/11/18 02:25 PM
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> It seems like this part is never explained ​ Which suggests that the whole idea is unrealistic and just something people push to get positive guys to buy their ebooks and get them channel views.
/r/seduction12/11/18 04:57 PM
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SoundCloud is full of broken dreams and spent passions. And that's the elite of amateur music. Video games are in the same neighborhood of realistic expectations, and they don't even have the chick magnet effect music does. The same goes for any other "passion". There are some scuba diving teachers in Asia making a living, at least barely, and banging tourists, but why are not more guys doing it? You'd better have an advantage, and even that only gives you a decent shot. The hard truth and curio…
/r/seduction12/11/18 04:52 PM
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It's not enough to be "not ugly". In the 21st century, a man must be handsome to bed even an average under 30 y.o. woman. Women have so much options, and most of them choose the same ones, which is why women concentrate on the few top handsome and popular men, who have a fuckfest throughout their lives until their 40's. Other men are told to "improve themselves" but there is no agreed upon checkpoint when you've improved enough to deserve sex. Usually it happens when women get so old and ugly th…
/r/seduction11/11/18 03:38 PM
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A hat trick like this is one of the achievement's an aspiring player is looking to unlock. If only it could be included in your Xbox profile for bragging rights.
/r/seduction11/11/18 04:17 AM
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Obviously someone is not as "dom" as he thought he was. ​ But hey, you live and learn...
/r/seduction11/11/18 03:40 AM
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Just lol @ " strong female characters". Or maybe the OP should watch "50 Shades of Grey", it was written by a woman after all. Anyway, it's usually possible to have relations with women who are even 5 years younger than the man, so late 20's is not out of reach for the slow self-improver. They already look like past their expiry date though. Most "late bloomers" seem to be starstruck by any young piece of ass, so I'd take their words with a big chunk of salt. They don't mind that she is plain or…
/r/seduction11/11/18 02:32 AM
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Another example of how you can't escape your face. This Brad is a good example to explain what the expression "punchable face" means.
/r/seduction10/11/18 09:20 PM
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“She’ll respect you for trying” That's just something these dating hacks came up with while struggling to fill their "content marketing" quotas. If the woman already likes you for other reasons, she at least doesn't mind it even if she's "not ready". If the woman doesn't like you, she will be simply annoyed. Respect is a male concept. Women don't understand or think about things in terms of it.
/r/seduction10/11/18 09:16 PM
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There wouldn't be need for write-ups like this if "day game" was rewarding. I wonder what's the urge to stick to it despite it not working. Asking strangers for the time or telling them they are beautiful doesn't count for social skills. The numbers also amount to nothing if the girls won't reply or come out on a date. Giving out her number is often the most convenient way to get rid of a persistent sex-crazed "charmer". Getting the reputation of "that guy" is a good way of becoming a social out…
/r/seduction10/11/18 09:10 PM
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> Most persons dislike something or things specific about themselves ​ It's often the result of social learning, that is, others have shown disgust towards it, like calling the person ugly. Or they have themselves discovered this inadequacy stopping them from getting what they want (for example, being too stupid to get into med school). Even if you delude yourself into self-confidence, the reality will still beat you back to your senses if you dare to go against its limits.
/r/seduction10/11/18 07:49 PM
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legitimate argument for exposure therapy I guess most would still object to usingi random women on the street as unwilling participants. STOPPING THEM WITHOUT CONSENT Saying hello requires that usually. If you've seen it on Youtube, day game can be quite invasive, : jumping in front of a woman, running in front of her blocking her path, grabbing her arm. That's what it sometimes requires to get a chance to "introduce yourself" and tell how much you love her style.
/r/seduction09/11/18 07:42 PM
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fundamental sense that there is something hostile or aggressive about day game Stopping women without their consent is harassive. But then again, charity workers and beggars do it too, so it's not usually illegal. Regardless, a psychologist would get flak from his colleagues and the general public for recommending it to a client.
/r/seduction09/11/18 04:58 PM
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Something that often gets ignored is that your capacity to enjoy sex also decreases with age. You don't get it up 5 times a day anymore like in your teens. The sensation will be weaker, which is why you likely can last longer (but where's the joy in becoming a human dildo?). Reading Manosphere having side effects from hair loss pills or popping viagras in anticipation of getting lucky does not make one eager looking forward for these supposed "best years".
/r/seduction09/11/18 10:30 AM
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People in the "make better men" community often praise psychotherapy and psychologists (especially the famous funny-sounding Canadian one), and believe that they are the solution to men's dating woes and lack of direction in life. I guess they would change their mind, if they realized what most psychologists think about "seduction" and especially the PUA variety of it. Psychologists are unlikely to recommend anything that might get them into trouble later, so they stick to the safe side. The pol…
/r/seduction09/11/18 10:14 AM
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It was so dead so I ended up drinking a scotch and going home. This is what real-world seduction usually turns out to be.
/r/seduction09/11/18 10:01 AM
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> I don't drink, am pretty introverted and hate going to bars ​ Evolutionary selection is against this type of man, so you getting laid is against the odds.
/r/seduction09/11/18 10:00 AM
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Yeah, just change the definition of success and you will never fail
/r/seduction09/11/18 09:01 AM
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Indeed, I once calculated that even moderately successful "day game" would take about 20 hours per one lay: encounter 2 women per hour (including the time it takes to get in and out of the day game spots), every fourth gives her number, manage to get 20% of them on a date, and f-close 50% of dates. Yet these are optimistic or "pro" rates of success. ​ Successful use of Tinder could cut it down by 90% to 2 hours when you eliminate the street prowling. But that's only for the photogenic.
/r/seduction09/11/18 08:53 AM
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Not sure how this "hiding your dick" approach would work for the older gents. In any case, women don't even reply to the "hey" from wrinkled gross-looking men.
/r/seduction09/11/18 08:29 AM
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It's easy to get something others don't want.
/r/seduction09/11/18 08:26 AM
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It seems you're worrying over implausibilities, which coincidentally is a big part of philosophic thought. ​ On a date, a man is supposed to get a woman drunk. This eases a woman's anxiety over things that might come.
/r/seduction08/11/18 11:25 PM
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One often neglected accessory is the pocket square. Most guys don't even know what it is.
/r/seduction08/11/18 11:19 PM
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You're stopping a stranger who has no interest in you and asking for sex, which is an intimate sacrifice on the woman's part. If you actually think how crazy day-time cold approaching is, it makes one amazed how anyone could get laid from it. At clubs there is some social consensus about it. ​ Anyway, some guys soldier on for years without success and eventually have to give up due to old age. You have to decide how much time you are willing to invest in "self-improvement" and this type of "soci…
/r/seduction08/11/18 11:08 PM
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> Regular dude comes on average looks, good job, in decent shape, the girls think he's nice but ultimately boring and they vote him off. This animal killing dude with missing teeth, tattoos on his face, who was kinda funny and "real" ​ Moral of the story: that's how far self-development gets you. And for the love of women, go get yourself some tattoos already!
/r/seduction08/11/18 10:56 PM
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If you are able to enjoy women around your own age, it is possible. There is a reason why PUAs have developed many routines to dodge the dreaded "how old are you?" question, or they simply lie about it.
/r/seduction08/11/18 10:48 PM
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have to be a model in looks For getting pretty girls from cold approach, yeah. There are also plain and ugly women, but I keep forgetting about them when commenting. Most average men get an average girlfriend from social circle. The woman develops an interest by following his social media, and it gets physical at a social gathering when alcohol is involved.
/r/seduction07/11/18 11:05 PM
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Oh dear, how this movement is gaining ground. Nuttin' is going to stop No Nut November ​ You could try hitting her up again in December.
/r/seduction07/11/18 10:58 PM
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can become attractive otherwise That would be social status: having others follow you around and obey you. There are also some special cases, such as looking like the woman's dad. People on this sub like to dream that some "inner quality" they imagine and believe of themselves would be attractive. But women don't share their delusion of how "awesome" they are. I hate to be so blunt about it, but hopefully it'll bring some sense of reality to discussion.
/r/seduction07/11/18 10:01 PM
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it could be achieved with interaction alone, Unlikely. Even though women tend to be dumb in the logical sense, they are acutely aware of social hierarchies, and who is in or out. superior to her, then she will consider you as high value You'd need to be superior to the top men in her community or social circle. at party or in social circle there always could be guys better than you who will try to fuck her before you I agree. On the other hand, it's a chaotic environment and women tend to be so …
/r/seduction07/11/18 09:39 PM
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you can’t be natural if you’re not attractive? Isn't that the definition of a "natural"? They are naturally attractive, whereas PUAs try to imitate them, or at least some of their qualities.
/r/seduction07/11/18 09:33 PM
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> I don't understand how PUA can make women invest into them Handsome and popular men can do it. The PUA can sometimes force himself on other people because they are avoid confrontation and lack the social skills to smoothly tell him to leave. ​ There exists an invisible barrier between women and the men who fall below the attraction threshold. Women avoid them and treat them coldly when they can't do so. There are at least three classes or castes of men: the ones who get casual sex, the ones wh…
/r/seduction07/11/18 09:32 PM
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able to express yourself in a different way That's rather vague. Anyway, I meant that "popular naturals" play by social rules and don't do socially retarded stuff like cold approaching. Some men are "naturals" either because other people are attracted to them (because of good looks or social status), or because they are extroverted and uninhibited, which means they lack impulse control and don't think much about the consequences of their actions.
/r/seduction07/11/18 08:52 PM
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natural game Any kind of cold approaching in public is not "natural", that is, something that socially well-calibrated and popular men do. So "becoming natural" means limiting oneself to social circle and online game. ​ Even at bars and clubs, most "naturals" approach chicks who give them approach invitations. Although another type of natural simply tries to fuck anything that has a pulse and is crass about it.
/r/seduction07/11/18 07:15 PM
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No prob. Many guys into self-improvement like to believe that there is always a solution, that everyone can be a winner "if they just try hard enough" and "want it bad enough". I'll sketch out a little more. The idea of abundance is unrealistic, and it's also a useless concept for normal men. Reading this forum has made me suspect that maybe it's useful to obsessive guys who cannot take a rejection otherwise. ​ How did the idea even start? It's made to comfort the rejected. Either a marketer cam…
/r/seduction06/11/18 07:14 PM
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Yeah, for good-looking men acting "needy" doesn't change anything ( until maybe later in a relationship when infatuation has worn off). Sometimes handsome men act aloof and some guys have made the false conclusion that it's the aloofness and not the handsomeness which gets them the girl. acting aloof and nonchalant will generate way more attraction than a man who’s handsome and needy Do you believe so based on what you've read online, or what you've seen happening around you? Anyway, I'd take th…
/r/seduction06/11/18 06:47 PM
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The status makes a woman feel the way she does. then it doesn't matter how much other men she have in her life She would need to be drunk to get lost "in the moment" so much. A woman has a base level she's accustomed to. she doesn't forget it in a few days, or even months. This is why cold approach work for anyone Even if the weirdness of the situation dazzles the woman, after you walk away, she'll soon come back to her senses, even after an insta-date. Cold approaching can work on older women w…
/r/seduction06/11/18 05:40 PM
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What makes you think that Corey Wayne's work would be effective? To me it seems just fluff and the same old platitudes. ​ > I find both their approaches overall respectful to women ​ This usually means that they are the opposite of effective.
/r/seduction06/11/18 03:41 PM
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For your generation, I suggest streaming your video gaming on Twitch. You may get female followers.
/r/seduction06/11/18 03:39 PM
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Seems like there's going to be an abundance of abundance mentality threads ahead. ​ If a popular handsome man acts "desperately" or "shows neediness" with a woman, she doesn't mind. On the other hand, if a typical man is cool and non-chalant, it doesn't make a woman interested. At most it saves him from female shaming, after all, he's not bothering women but has learned his place. ​ The talk about "abundance" is a spin to make rejection a mark of pride.
/r/seduction06/11/18 03:28 PM
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My point was that there was hardly any assertiveness in the OP's story, and the woman was leading more than he was.
/r/seduction06/11/18 03:23 PM
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hardest thing is keeping that abundance mindset. like you said girls get it early The difference is that it's real for girls, whereas guys need to delude themselves into it. Whatever "power" it may have is in the form of bluffing: it can force a woman to show her hand and reveal her interest if she had any in the first place. ​
/r/seduction06/11/18 02:15 PM
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> You're in this for the long haul 📷 One life-time may not be enough for many guys. Better believe in re-incarnation. ​ > What choice do you have? ​ If you ask women, the more out-spoken say that you should fuck other guys and leave women alone. Or simply focus your efforts on solo sex. ​ > They know I'm not that guy ​ Girls give their numbers as a soft rejection to almost any non-threatening guy. It's easier to simply stop replying. It also gives them reserves of "meh" men, if they ever need on…
/r/seduction06/11/18 02:12 PM
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This sub is an attempt to intellectualize around these iron laws of getting some. ​ It could be interesting to note the differences between r/seduction and the earliest attempts at cracking women in the 90's on alt/seduction, where almost all seduction theory was formulated already. Back then there may have been some hope, as women were more socially disconnected.
/r/seduction06/11/18 01:51 PM
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It helps them not wasting their time chasing rainbows. ​ Most men find the same few women attractive. Attractiveness is objective to a large degree.
/r/seduction05/11/18 11:54 PM
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There are a few real reasons, one of them is simply the imbalance between female supply and the male demand. There are usually at least four times more men than there are attractive women they are after. You see this in online dating and at clubs. Another reason is that attractive women are already connected with the best men in their area. They are not waiting for a prince charming to cold approach them, but they have high status men on their orbit ready to snatch them if their previous boyfrie…
/r/seduction05/11/18 11:12 PM
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If you've been a stranger to physical strain your whole life, it can feel like a "transformational experience". Also, changing from over-weight to thin is likely to help, although diet is a more effective way to lose weight. With that being said, this sub exaggerates the role of gym-going to attraction. Guys keep gushing over it and pushing it as a solution. Within the next few years, many guys are bound to meet some woman they hook up with. Then they think that going to gym "at least helped" wi…
/r/seduction05/11/18 09:15 PM
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Physical exercise won't change the situation. low-status men are disgusting and creepy to women, that's why feminism and #metoo type of movements have resonated so well with women. Women want to belong to the harem of the emperor and not have peasants approaching them. In a sexually liberal environment, the role of looks becomes more important for men. Hence the rise of "fuckboys" (men whom women only sleep with because of their looks). We also see this in how men are paying a lot of attention a…
/r/seduction05/11/18 08:03 PM
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they literally only chat up 3 women before getting one to be their GF. like judahman already wrote, it's not even approaching. Social circles have filtered out and made a match for them. ​ > non-PUA men, and "Get Laid" men usually focus on women for whom they are their "type", preferably mutually ​ Usually when they do get lucky, they go home with the fatty or town bike
/r/seduction05/11/18 07:52 PM
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Nature walks are another great idea especially hiking in a more secluded area Yeah, less witnesses. I'd be surprised if a woman agreed on that for a 1st date.
/r/seduction05/11/18 06:49 PM
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The thought of sex with a typical guy is disgusting to a woman. Whereas their feelings about another non-fat and normal-looking woman are neutral at worst. ​ The bar is set higher for men, whereas most men - and also women - would have sex with an average-looking woman. That being said, I don't think a woman would have easy time getting to bed with a random woman either, although still somewhat easier than most men.
/r/seduction05/11/18 05:18 PM
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He insisted on going back to her place 3 times. Actually every time something external gave the opportunity to gingerly suggest it. In general, I didn't spot clear cases of "being assertive" in the whole story. The woman was into him, waited patiently for him to make the moves, and he fumbled through, which maybe is no small feat after all, as many guys still manage to mess up a sure thing like this.
/r/seduction05/11/18 04:36 PM
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The vast majority of men do get laid finally But not because of any "game" or "skill", but because they get old and the women they come into contact with likewise get older, and at some point desperate enough to entertain a lesser man. Or the guy is horny/desperate enough to accept a woman a few points below him and popular enough for mutual attraction to happen. ​ For me, "going out to get laid" would mean that there's a good chance of it actually happening, like 33%. For most guys getting laid…
/r/seduction05/11/18 04:23 PM
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In your 40's your body is already decrepit and hormones gone (the "manopause" is real for many guys). If you had about 20 years of active sex life, consider yourself fortunate, now it's time to explore other sides of life.
/r/seduction05/11/18 04:13 PM
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Stop reading the shitty advertisements They're such a breath of fresh air of positivity and hope. Actually trying seduction in practice is quite a miserable experience for most guys and could shock them back to reality
/r/seduction05/11/18 04:08 PM
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DEFINITELY: ... That way you definitely won't be getting married.
/r/seduction05/11/18 04:04 PM
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For the vast majority of guys, there isn't a difference, because they're not going to get laid. But out of sheer positivity they can re-frame it as a "learning experience" which adds to their personal growth and worth. After all, they belong to the elite 1% of men who pester random strangers for sex, so they are ahead of the pack!
/r/seduction05/11/18 10:41 AM
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Yeah, the next time a girl does it... it's time to go beast mode!
/r/seduction05/11/18 10:37 AM
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This is a seduction fallacy of the "sour grapes" type. ​ I should probably make a list of them, similar to the popular "Your logical fallacy is..." web page.
/r/seduction05/11/18 10:15 AM
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Attractive men form a surface women non-chalantly slide on, and you're just a point on it. ​ Of course, unattractive men exist on a whole another plane.
/r/seduction05/11/18 10:11 AM
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> She gives me a big smile with glancing eyes, and happily answers ​ How many of you readers ever get this initial reaction? Usually the woman is just looking to continue on her way (as you had to stop her walking down the street).
/r/seduction05/11/18 10:06 AM
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You could call her " picturesque", but the nuance would be lost for most women. ​ Over the years, I still haven´t found a good day game opener, something to tell as the reason for a stranger for stopping her in afternoon foot traffic. Compared to "I want to have sex with you", "you're cute" comes out ahead, even though in practice they mean the same thing.
/r/seduction05/11/18 10:00 AM
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excelling socially and physically Maybe I'm misled by the hyperbolic writing style here. If not getting fat and 3 times a week of hobbyist exercise is "excelling", then ok. ​ Although the social stuff can still be too much, as it usually means pretending to be enthusiastic of some hipster hobby which effeminate males are fond of (and are consequently popular on Reddit).
/r/seduction04/11/18 09:29 PM
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This type of marriage sounds like all pain and no gain for the man. A lot of women price themselves out of the market, if they expect a personal entertainer in the form of a husband.
/r/seduction04/11/18 06:37 PM
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Approaching 9s and 10s is like shooting a puck in an empty hockey arena. You're not going to get any rewards for it, you're not competitive in doing it, but at least you get to feel a little what it's like.
/r/seduction04/11/18 01:06 PM
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Your face is still in the boundaries of "normal". It doesn't evoke a sense of repulsion in most people. However, normal is not enough to attract women. Another issues is the lack of masculine features: wide jaw, big chin and nose, narrow wide eyes. An ugly man with them is still more attractive than a normal-looking man. ​ In sexually liberal places, women spend their 20's as fuckbuddies and ONSes of handsome popular men, and in their 30's feel the drag of their dwindling hormones slowing them d…
/r/seduction04/11/18 12:58 PM
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Meth or not, Simple PU is a fraud. Yet most seduction aficionados are influenced by it and the other fraud, Complex PU (aka RSD), which have captured about 80% of the PUA mindshare recently. The top guys in the industry are better at seducing guys than girls. ​ "Be social", "talk to everyone" gives and illusion of progress, but it hardly gets you any closer to actually getting laid. But at least you get some sense of accomplishment and time off your hands running around high-fiving everyone and …
/r/seduction04/11/18 12:03 PM
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giving you a speech about how she's not a slut I rarely get a chance to quote Shakespeare ​ The lady doth protest too much
/r/seduction04/11/18 09:23 AM
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simply be a human being and talk to her normally That leads to rejection to many guys. Hence the search for something that would "work" for them. Not to say that the more far-fetched and elaborate seduction attempts would turn out any better. Unattractive guys are doomed to spend their young adulthood "looking for another girl".
/r/seduction04/11/18 09:17 AM
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> type of success men had who are photographers It's way less and less likely than what the "start photography as a hobby" guys make it seem. The typical case would be sending DMs to girls on IG and offering to take photos for free (in a public place or his "studio"). This type of "game" was discovered over a decade ago and women know the reason why guys get into photography. Only a handful of photographers in the world get to spend a lot of time with models. They are also famous in their niche …
/r/seduction03/11/18 05:21 PM
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Some women act like that with even with the hottest of guys when at clubs. You need to have a thick skin and maybe a soft spot for bitchy behavior.
/r/seduction03/11/18 11:48 AM
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If this is what Models is teaching, then it is just self deception--deluding yourself. This is the gist of seduction or "success" pamphlets which exhort to "focus on yourself". In addition, motivational coaches spread devious "re-frames" which allow losers to think themselves being the unofficial winners.
/r/seduction03/11/18 11:20 AM
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I've been/am there. It definitely doesn't. ​ I see it in other guys too. For most gym enthusiasts, you can't tell who lifts and who doesn't with clothes on. Naturally athletic "mesomorphic" guys have better physiques by simply not over-eating. Gym-going often doesn't show even when clothes are off unless the lifter has made special effort to keep his body fat low.
/r/seduction03/11/18 11:11 AM
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Derek is like a legendary pokemon among RSD coaches. Not much is known about him, and precious few have seen him and lived on to tell the tale. I remember years ago hearing whispers of his 700+ lay count.
/r/seduction03/11/18 10:57 AM
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In your opinion, why do you think that is? Actually I think the reason is usually social dynamics and not personal chemistry (push/pull etc.). The hard-partying bad boy group is the "center of attention" in a woman's mind. Most things happen inside it, others talk about it, express desire to get included in it. ​ The attempts to "emulate" a bad boy usually fall flat because they are just individual behavior. But bad boys are leaders of men (well, gangs) and masters of ceremony (parties). If the …
/r/seduction03/11/18 09:26 AM
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" a group of attractive research assistants were " ​ This may help explain the high figures. The 6% is still unbelievable, I doubt even the year 1989 was enough a reason. But this is a good research project for the college guys. If you catch heat for it, you can simply state that you're helping out with the replication crisis in psychology (don't count on this defense to hold though). ​ Some confounding factors: Going for "your type" instead of young and beautiful women. Approaching only after a…
/r/seduction03/11/18 09:15 AM
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If it doesn't work out, you don't lose anything because you are still worthy and someone else of your choosing This is cringeworthy. As if you could choose anyone. Most men have to take what they are rarely offered, or stick to their hands. No amount of "self-improvement" will change this, as it won't increase the supply of women. Men keep getting better and better, yet women stay the same.
/r/seduction02/11/18 09:07 PM
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Apparently, what keeps most men out of bitterness is that they feel they don't deserve women. Other people often encourage this feeling. ​ Most men will always inevitably be rejected by hot women. They are few and far between and concentrate on the most popular men. It's facile to suggest "making your life awesome" as if it was a matter of choice. life becomes such a disappointment because we tend to believe that we could get what is possible for only the few lucky winners. ​ becoming the "highe…
/r/seduction02/11/18 08:21 PM
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This is true. Yet hot women's hobbies usually are shopping and partying. In my teens I couldn't understand what made guys interested in taking photos. Now I do. There are a lot of guys hitting women up with offers of photography so it should feel like online dating.
/r/seduction02/11/18 05:22 PM
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women aren't going to say "Fuck off you little troll Manlet" I agree. Even the op wrote that the women were just fearful or scornful. So I guess "being treated like shit" was the women avoiding eye contact, making disgusted facial expressions or walking away. This is normal when stopping women in public places and showing personal interest in them. I don't think a PUA can do anything to prevent it other than avoid approaching busy or accompanied women (which will leave him with no one to approac…
/r/seduction01/11/18 03:07 PM
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If you spent it on learning a foreign language, rock-climbing, meditation and Meetup groups for socially awkward people . I don't even consider it an improvement. They are just useless "feel good" hobbies or skills. The friends are also people you really don't like much, but simply tolerate because you're forcing yourself to be more social and beggars can't be choosers. You might actually get angry at yourself for wasting your time on things that are peripheral to possibly meeting a woman, but d…
/r/seduction01/11/18 02:54 PM
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Just my personal observations over a decade of going to the gym. I doubt there have been any long-term studies about this. > 10-15kg is a juicer? No. That's a bit above average result for an 80+ kg guy who sticks to a program. But he will still belong to the "do you even lift" club with clothes on. And I'd be surprised if he managed to put on (and what's more, maintain) over 20 kg of lean muscle without a hardcore bulking and cutting cycle. About "transformations"... I don't find this one impres…
/r/seduction01/11/18 02:39 PM
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That's the average "lived experience" of a seducer. Even the top "professionals" claim to lay about 1 out of 25 women they cold approach, and they choose their prey carefully. ​ Female rejection can take many forms: like her calling the mall security or male cousins on you, spitting on you, or just screaming hysterically. These are extreme cases, but more common in some cultures. ​ Unless you look like the metaphorical Greek god, cold approaching is a miserable hobby with iffy rewards. To practi…
/r/seduction01/11/18 07:32 AM
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If women are being rude to you, you are doing something wrong. This is one core fallacy among "seduction enthusiasts": that your actions would be the decisive factor. Attractive women are rude to men they don't want. In cold approach, this means the man is not handsome. To test if the problem is on your side, try approaching ugly or old women and see if you get the same reaction. ​ In some environments, women are stressed due to external factors, or because they are approached often. It's questi…
/r/seduction01/11/18 07:19 AM
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It's just an easy suggestion to make, and it puts them in the dominant position in conversation. ​ The vast majority going to the gym are not going to see a major improvement without chemical assistance. The few who do, already had exceptionally high hormone levels innately. Some study finding that weightlifting raised testosterone by 20 or even 40 percent is negligible. You'd want at least 300-400% increase to see a visible difference. ​ Most of the "benefits" of gym are mental, or delusional. …
/r/seduction01/11/18 06:41 AM
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It's tricky to assess one's chances with women. There often is a nagging hope, suggesting that if you just do a few things for a year or two, you'd attain sex. After failing with them, you'll see someone else suggesting something else. It's like using alternative medicine to cure cancer. The worst outcome is to waste your 20's on useless self-improvement and forced socialization without getting laid from it.
/r/seduction01/11/18 06:18 AM
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Getting and looking fatter is a common outcome for gym-goers. It's possible to get newbie gains (which only you can spot on the mirror) while actually losing fat, but further progress requires a cycle of bulking and cutting. The so-called "lean gains" are usually modest. Besides, for many, exercise increases appetite, so you'll likely eat more calories than you burn due to it.
/r/seduction01/11/18 06:06 AM
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It's inevitable that the sexual market is going to have its losers. Repeating that "there is somebody for anyone" is a cruel joke. As are endless hair-cuts, weightlifting, wardrobe upgrades and Meetup groups with other losers while waiting for a miracle.
/r/seduction31/10/18 05:04 PM
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Even if you are below average looking you can still get girls Yeah, but they will be below average looking too. ​ As a rule, men are forced to date women at least one point below them in attractiveness (on a decimal scale). It's common to see fit and muscular men who are sharply dressed and rocking the latest fuccboi haircut dating fatties and butterfaces.
/r/seduction31/10/18 07:28 AM
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> If you take every step with the doubt that you'll fall over, well you probably will. ​ Your belief or doubt will probably have no effect on the outcome. ​ The downside of positivity is allowing bullshit to flourish. Guys keep on pursuing and repeating things that are ineffective or plain wrong because of the promise of rewards on the "other side". Yet the main indication of the activity leading to the desired result is some guy saying so. ​ I wonder what happens to positive people when the dis…
/r/seduction30/10/18 09:00 PM
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Can't draw blood from a stone. Maybe after the apprenticeship you could re-locate to a city where young women flock to. In small towns, the few fertile women are well known (like waitresses or nurses) and local alphas either already date them, or hound them.
/r/seduction30/10/18 04:43 PM
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Most men just happen to be attracted to young women. What a strange coincidence. Anyway, I've noticed that young women can be quite mature too, if they are ugly or for some other reason the social environment requires them to have manners.
/r/seduction30/10/18 04:19 PM
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That's the feeling of being unwanted. Your social senses are telling you something. The guys who are "in demand" feel good at clubs. In this sense, clubs are a distilled and sped-up microcosm of a man's sex life.
/r/seduction30/10/18 04:14 PM
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Yet most attractive women are "immature". It's amazing how getting old and ugly also speeds up mental maturation for women.
/r/seduction30/10/18 03:36 PM
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Deflect and reassert dominance ​ These sound like Pokemon attack moves. But in real life, women will likely walk away from guys who are all talk.
/r/seduction30/10/18 03:35 PM
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With all the infields on Youtube, I'd be surprised if most college girls weren't aware of PUAs. One memorable case was at Ohio State OSU Basically Chases Creepy 'Pickup Artist' Off Campus - Jezebel
/r/seduction30/10/18 02:48 PM
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Value, as it is known in PUA lore, is in a similar category with phlogiston and fairy dust. It defies definition, but is most often identified with the "Duck test" (google it). ​ One of the "epiphanies" of my PUA journey has been that women would rather have some handsome popular "bad boy" abuse them rather than some average-looking self-improving man out of the in-crowd make her "feel amazing" with all the "knowledge" from relationship books and sex guides.
/r/seduction30/10/18 09:12 AM
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> they like to talk to their girlfriends about the creepy dudes trying to hit them up ​ College girls also have public and private FB groups for naming and shaming aspirant PUAs.
/r/seduction30/10/18 06:20 AM
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This post is a good example of arm-chair seduction of the "if wishes were horses" type. What to do with "value" once you've got it is not the puzzling question, but how to get it in the first place. Most men don't have any kind of value to a young woman. ​ I can imagine how this posturing could go down: "Wow, you act like you own this place, could you get me and my friends to the VIP? " "Well, actually I don't, but I've got this awesome personality and I can massively benefit your life... hey, w…
/r/seduction30/10/18 06:06 AM
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An amazing amount of forum activity goes into denying how looks are the key to getting laid. ​ There are special occasions when it's possible to have sex with an attractive woman without looks and status, but they are rare and difficult if not impossible to produce at will, or give universal instructions to. Yet such occasions get championed on forums as a proof that "everyone" can get laid if they just believe in themselves and try hard enough.
/r/seduction29/10/18 02:57 PM
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Official beast mode launch sequence. This should get your spirits up "in the field" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuWFVDt4BE0
/r/seduction29/10/18 02:51 PM
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I just don't know what's the right thing to do The whole "be more social" and "learn to talk to people" is forced. Usually people talk with each other, because they have a reason to, a shared experience, gossip or goal, for example. But talking to strangers is baseless. That's where pre-meditated "routines" help to create something out of thin air.
/r/seduction29/10/18 02:40 PM
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I still don't quite get the fixation on "conquering your fears" in among self-improvement enthusiasts. Usually things that are "holding you back" are real and external and not your "inner demons". But believing so makes a life situation seemingly more manageable. Yet the actual results are determined by outside forces and at most the self-improver believes that it was his persistent "rain dance" which at least played a part in it.
/r/seduction29/10/18 02:35 PM
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It's real. Women softly reject men they're in regular contact with but not attracted to. Mostly by avoiding them, but if the man self-confidently persists, then he gets the "we're just friends" speech.
/r/seduction29/10/18 12:21 PM
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Yeah, it's a common fantasy in the self-development crowd. After 15 years of long and hard self-improvement, your 34 y.o. bad-ass self is finally good enough for a 19 y.o. woman.
/r/seduction29/10/18 12:09 PM
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At least it serves to show that all this "self-improvement" has little to do with attracting women.
/r/seduction28/10/18 08:00 AM
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What I've had to admit over the years and hundreds of approaches is that seduction and getting sex are not something you can "master". Either you've "got it" or not. You don't get what you put into it, but different guys have vastly different "reward-to-effort" ratios and "success ceilings". Anyway, if you don't have much in the way of conventional beauty standards, you may eventually find someone. Attractive women are limited and scarce, and tend to concentrate to the top of the male hierarchy.…
/r/seduction28/10/18 06:50 AM
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I have to approach, get rejected, approach, get rejected over and over whereas they just have to be there That's the difference between being something that others don't want, and something that they do want, ​ The pick-up crowd wishfully thinks that "self-improvement" would make almost any man desirable because of his "inner beauty" and whatnot. But I've seen little support for this in real life. Women sometimes have to settle for guys they're not crazy over and if the persistent PUA happens to…
/r/seduction27/10/18 12:16 PM
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complimented my style, Julie. What a POS creep ​ While some guys on seduction forums like to portray themselves as cute and harmless "I just like talking to people" kind of guys, most socially savvy people realize that they are just after sex. What else would drive you to compliment someone's outfit? ​ A town of 200k could have at least 2,000 attractive women to approach. It's quite likely to run into the same chicks again from time to time. You could plead temporary amnesia. And focus on the pa…
/r/seduction27/10/18 08:42 AM
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I'm about 30. I gather this forum has two main crowds "I'm at college, how do I kiss a girl?" The 40+ y.o. seduction hobbyist who hones his craft of giving near or post-menopausal women a "wild ride" of wine tastings, underground stand up comedy performances and guidebook oral sex. As I'm nearing 30, chicks of my age haven't begun to look any prettier. I wager that in 10 years, 30+ women still look and feel old to me. Women start showing unattractive signs of aging even by their middle 20's. Mos…
/r/seduction27/10/18 08:13 AM
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What do guys get for that "potential"? You're just giving an "amazing experience" to a 26 y.o. chick whom the frat bro railed in the guest room after a tight match of beer pong when she was prettier by 6 years and 10 pounds less. ​ I may sound "negative", but I only see appreciation for "skills" and "experience" on forums like this from other guys passionate over self-improvement.
/r/seduction27/10/18 08:04 AM
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They will start DQ'ing douchebags/'bad boys' ​ Rarely. they've just learned to be more discreet with their "trysts" with them. And maybe regret them . ​ But it's true that they don't want to live with the near-minimum wage worker, and instead shack up with the 6-figure breadwinner, even though they still need their occasional "girls' night out" to let loose.
/r/seduction27/10/18 07:54 AM
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Is this mainstream America? A 20 y.o. having relations with a 32 y.o. is not even an uphill battle but a rag-tag guerrilla war socially, and for most young women the thought is "just ew!" ​ Most guys have crow's feet under the eyes and lines on their forehead when they hit 30. They don't look young anymore. The gym won't help with your face and body muscularity doesn't matter much, usually it's hidden under clothes anyway. ​ If you were handsome to begin with and your early 30's are the first ti…
/r/seduction27/10/18 07:51 AM
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Some guys suck at judging male looks. Yet if after 200 approaches (I left some margin for error) you still haven't gotten laid, it's likely because of your looks and not some nebulous "skills" or "self-confidence" (although in rare extreme cases a guy is weird and self-oblivious to it, and the preachers of inner game like to point out these exceptions as the rule). ​ There is little skill in day game. It's the same what a charity worker asking for donations or proselytizer asking to get to know …
/r/seduction27/10/18 06:55 AM
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Many don't like to admit it, but the best time for men sexually is their early 20's or even late teens. Maybe the biggest reason is social opportunity. The top-shelf women date and fuck in their tight-knit "elite" circles. The quintessential demonstration of this are college sororities. Of course, someone will now bring out an example how some 40 y.o. beach bum fucked the hot thot from his college on Spring Break. But how likely it is to be that 40 y.o. self-improved stoicist keyboard warrior mo…
/r/seduction26/10/18 06:57 PM
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It's a bad idea unless you look like Callum von Moger. Besides, gyms often have trainers or owners who are protective of the women, and know full well what most guys would like to do, and that women stop coming if they routinely get hit on by unattractive men. ​ But if you don't mind changing gyms, you've got little to lose.
/r/seduction26/10/18 06:38 PM
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Even if you "suck up" their initial tests successfully, they still sense that you don't fit in with them. ​ Always is a tricky word, but usually extroverted and impulsive people let you down sooner rather than later, especially if they have guys they are tighter with.
/r/seduction26/10/18 06:32 PM
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While it's possible to repel a woman with "beta behavior", it takes a lot to do so. It also becomes more effective later on in a relationship. Often there are bigger things in motion. ​ Over the years, I've noticed that individual behavior or "game" makes only a little difference. You wouldn't believe it by reading PUA forums though. ​ The blowhards on forums tout "focusing on what you can control" even though it may be about 2% of the overall impact. There are those who keep on claiming the gla…
/r/seduction26/10/18 01:44 PM
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Yet women also swipe left on most guys...
/r/seduction26/10/18 12:42 PM
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Yet in practice, women don't want sex from a non-handsome non-famous man, no matter how good it's supposed to be. ​ Sex skills don't play a part in the beginning of a sexual relationship.
/r/seduction26/10/18 12:40 PM
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If a man is being attractive in a forest, will he get laid? ​ Social connections and situations are often more decisive than a man's individual qualities. Alas, I'm not aware of any universal regular way of becoming the top dog of a social circle which includes hot chicks. ​ For cold approaching, being above average is not enough. Your best bet is to be in the top 5% in terms of looks. Or alternatively, you can rarely score with women who are 2 points below you on the looks scale.
/r/seduction26/10/18 12:05 PM
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Despite wishful thinking on forums, introversion and above average intelligence are anti-aphrodisiacs. ​ tl:dw: You need to change yourself to become a frat bro. What's more, you need to win the acceptance of the dominant males in your social environment, and stage social media photos which give off an impression of popularity.
/r/seduction25/10/18 11:37 AM
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Here is a good example ​ https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hGZOAVLFMHU/maxresdefault.jpg
/r/seduction25/10/18 11:29 AM
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lol, i've had loads of them exact rejections, almost word for word. ​ Game recognizes game.
/r/seduction25/10/18 11:17 AM
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Just tell that you're there to meet an escort. If your boss is a CS guy too, he'll understand. If he's a MBA, maybe it's better to lie that you have an elderly relative to look after thereabouts.
/r/seduction25/10/18 09:39 AM
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the desirability table/chart by Rollo ​ Which he probably pulled out of his.... hat. ​ Yet the chart is quite accurate if we consider age-appropriate matches: a 40 y.o. man is more attractive to a 40 y.o. woman than a 20 y.o. man is to a 20 y.o. woman. But then again a 40 y.o. man is less attractive to a 20 y.o. woman than a 20 y.o. man.
/r/seduction25/10/18 08:11 AM
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what will I miss out on ​ Regular sex. ​ In addition, almost all men start to feel the effects of ageing in their early 30's. Your body doesn't work anymore like it used to, you lose stamina and strength.
/r/seduction25/10/18 07:58 AM
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> everyone can score It's like saying that everyone can win a lottery. And every week we see new lottery winners as a proof of how hard work pays off. ​ Cold approaching has a few gaps that most men will never cross with attractive women: initial encounter to texting texting to date date to sex Even if the woman was startled by the initial approach, she comes back to her social reality soon after the guy has left the scene feeling triumphant with her contact info.
/r/seduction25/10/18 07:33 AM
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This is probably the most important post a newbie could read on this sub. Despite its weaknesses, it's a tragicomic show of mental gymnastics. The best "mindset" athletes manage to contort their mind to settle for women deviating from standard oppressive beauty standards (in plainer words, for old, fat and ugly women) and then declare victory. ​ Occasionally there is some guy with more looks than intelligence, who stumbles upon pussy and comes to reveal the secrets of getting some of it: Accept …
/r/seduction24/10/18 10:39 AM
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