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InternationalProfile/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 11:07 AM
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I never claimed it was exhaustive. We were talking about evidence for TRP; you claimed there wasn't any. After I pointed out that there was ample anecdotal evidence, you moved the bar and said anecdotal evidence wasn't enough. So I pointed out ample empirical evidence, too, and you tried to ignore it completely. Now you're acknowledging the empirical evidence, but moving the bar again and acting like a lack of exhaustive, empirical evidence is the issue we were originally talking about. You sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 08:58 PM
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With the Red Pill, they do not acknowledge different branches, they just see it as RP. You said yourself that there are pro-marriage and anti-marriage parts of TRP. Did you forget that, or are you just debating in bad faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 08:54 PM
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It seems clear to me now that you're not talking about being "not rich", you're talking about being poor. Again: You have a totally unrealistic concept of what most people make. "The U.S Bureau of the Census has the annual real median personal income at $31,099 in 2016." $35K/year isn't poor; it's above average! Why would anyone take your advice seriously when you know so little about what the average guy has to work with? You're out of touch. Are you telling me 20-22 year-olds aren't attracted …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 08:51 PM
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Sex usually drops off once a couple is married That's a hell of a caveat, isn't it? A long-term, committed relationship is not all that different from a marriage. People in LTRs often live together, share pets, share the cost of big purchases, meet each others' parents, etc. What makes sex disappear in marriage? Security and comfort. Those same factors are present in plenty of non-marriage relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 08:35 PM
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Every relationship I've been in and every relationship I've heard about from other men involved regular sex as a matter of course. Then you haven't heard about a lot of other relationships. Married men bitch about not getting laid all the time. There are mainstream jokes about it. /r/deadbedrooms has 84,000+ subscribers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 07:07 PM
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I maintain that dating is impossible without access to people that will date you. Being fat is not an insurmountable barrier to dating. Not having access to people to date is. Being attractive brings people to you. Women approach you, and not infrequently. When you're fat, not only do you have to approach in nearly 100% of scenarios, but you also have to get around the "why is this fat dude talking to me" barrier with women. Even if you're having a conversation with a woman, you have to get her …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 07:04 PM
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Going from marriage is bad to it isn't, to all women are cheating sluts to only those who fuck on the first date are... big differences in schools of thought. You can find Republicans who think the federal government should be small enough to drown in a bathtub, and you can find Republicans who think that the federal government should be large enough to conduct military interventions all over the world. You can find Democrats who think we should reduce the role of government in the economy, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 06:56 PM
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Explain how a 35K salary isn't enough. We're talking about a hobby that costs (at minimum) $3,000/year. A guy making $35K/year not only is highly likely to be in that "less than $1,000 in savings" group, but he's also highly likely to have some form of debt to his name. What's unclear about this? Obviously devoting 8.5% of your (pre-tax) annual income to a hobby when a car accident could leave you homeless is a bad financial idea. Really, if a guy is having this much trouble with his finances, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 06:46 PM
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personality/character traits which are most attractive to the largest numbers of women. All directly addressed in that post: When single women see a moderately attractive male, they are more interested in him if they believe he is already in a relationship Benevolent sexism makes men more attractive to women Women value the ability to provide economically in a long-term mate... Closer questioning of an American sample showed that women prefer immediate access to resources when seeking short-term…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 06:27 PM
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It’s not unique or special lol. Almost everyone can fall in love. I'd bet that a strong majority of people who say they're in love would say that their love is unique and they couldn't imagine having that sort of connection with another person. Would you agree? Red flags are irrelevant that’s not how being in love works. It's relevant to my dislike of the term. "Love" has all sorts of special connotations that people use to justify stupid decisions, like ignoring red flags. If people understood …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:57 AM
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Even chad gets turned down more often than not Yet if he wants to get laid on Monday, he can hop on Tinder and find a decently attractive woman to have casual sex with him by Friday. And he can count on that. It might take a little time, and he doesn't have a 100% success rate on dates, but it happens regularly enough that he knows he never has to go through a real dry spell. And, not infrequently, he'll get approached and have an easy lay. Average guys can't do that. It takes far more effort an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:50 AM
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Pair bonding is literally feelings, yet you say you believe in that, explain the difference? I'm skeptical of that feeling, too, but not as skeptical as I am of a feeling that claims to be unique and special and above and beyond stuff that's more common and mundane. I can believe someone feels happiness a lot more easily than I can believe they feel god's presence, for example. A bigger claim requires more skepticism. Pair boding is just basically love but for whatever reason you have a problem …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:42 AM
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sometimes the hookup is prefaced with a "first date" but this is just to provide plausible deniability so the woman won't feel slutty. I think it's half this, and half double-checking to make sure the guy isn't a weirdo. If you chat someone up for an hour or two once, they might come off as normal. But the longer you talk to them the more sure you can be that they aren't weird. Talking to them on different days multiples this effect; after all, maybe they were just uncommonly on-point the first …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:34 AM
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men who had monogamous relationships and were having sex with one woman on a daily basis Being in a monogamous relationship is far from a guarantee of sex on a daily basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:32 AM
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He was certainly a giant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:26 AM
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I mean god doesn’t exist IMO. But love and pair bonding and sexual attraction yeah I’ve felt all that. What would you say to someone who believes in god, and is convinced that they've felt god's presence in their life? The point I'm trying to make here is that just because one subjectively feels something, that something is not necessarily real. You're an attorney. Certainly you know all about the dangers of eyewitness testimony and the shockingly real possibility of false confessions. The human…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:23 AM
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I get that people feel it. I get that people believe in it. People feel god's love and believe in god, too. But there's still a convincing case that god doesn't exist, just like there's a convincing case that "love" is nothing more than pair bonding/affection/sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:13 AM
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I mean anyone who has ever felt it knows it’s a thing. Sidestepping how subjective and untestable this assertion is (see how easily it could be applied to religion -- "anyone who's felt god's love knows it's real"), when you feel "love" multiple times with different people it suggests that it's not all that special and unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:07 AM
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Women aren't lining up to be pumped and dumped by Chad the millionaire rapper or Tyrone the running back. You're out of your mind: One general manager calls it the "Tinderization of the NBA." "Tin-der-i-za-tion," he repeats, "like the dating app. No need to go to the clubs all night anymore." Indeed, various apps have done for sex in the NBA what Amazon has done for books. One no longer needs to leave home to find a party. The party now comes to you. And lifestyle judgments aside, the NBA road l…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 07:04 AM
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I think there's a reasonable debate to be had over whether love exists as something that goes above and beyond pair bonding/affection/sexual attraction, or whether it's just something people tell themselves to feel better. Think of it like religion. Is there something substantive there? Or is it just a story people tell themselves because it's often easier than the alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:51 AM
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...What the fuck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:47 AM
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Most of those have nothing to do with what I'm talking about: intergender attraction A great many of them directly address intergender attraction: When single women see a moderately attractive male, they are more interested in him if they believe he is already in a relationship There is abundant evidence that women, as well as men, desire long-term committed relationships; but there is also an emerging literature revealing a hidden side of women's desires suggesting that women have also evolved …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:46 AM
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Fat guys can read advice on the internet and get in shape. Why wouldn't guys who struggle to get laid be able to read advice on the internet and get better at that? There's nothing magical about how to attract women. It can be learned like anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:39 AM
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How you present yourself, how you live your life, how you approach problems and challenges, how you treat yourself and others, are all part of what makes a man attractive to a woman. No shit. Describing "what makes a man attractive" doesn't have any bearing on a discussion about how being attractive helps you socially. The former is akin to talking about "what makes a healthy diet," while the latter is closer to "the benefits of a healthy diet." I don't include "maintaining your body" because ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:37 AM
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there's still enough left over for leisure. Again, most Americans have less than $1,000 in savings. People making $35K are especially likely to fall into that category. A $3,000+/year hobby is pretty expensive for those people. If you don't have social skills, then what's the point of talking about any of this? The people this advice is aimed at don't have great social skills. If you're assuming they do, you're not giving them helpful advice. Helpful advice would be to tell them how to develop s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:29 AM
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The lack of substance is when they begin outright contradicting each other. So you'd say that all major political parties, all major religions, and all major philosophies lack substance because their adherents will sometimes contradict one another? A healthy marketplace of ideas within a school of thought is a sign of substance, not of a lack of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:25 AM
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When you get into anything specific, or god forbid you suggest “red pill” could cover behaviors/thoughts that some individual red piller doesn’t want to be associated with or doesn’t what their ideology associated with, some of them will get really unhappy. This seems like a weak criticism, as there are extremists/weirdos/nutjobs in any large enough group where anyone can call themselves a member. It's like criticizing a Democrat who believes mostly reasonable things because some far left guy wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:24 AM
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There is obviously internal disagreements in literally any school of thought, but I am thinking it has more to do with these people misreading-- or not even reading anything about The Red Pill and just spouting off anything they believe about it. This is far more endemic among red pill critics than among red pillers themselves. Red pill critics generally don't read much TRP, and are the quickest to assume that a simple difference of opinion among red pillers is a sign of widespread intellectual …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:19 AM
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TRP has had an off-reddit forum for maybe a year now. Seems to be doing alright. TRP will very likely survive regardless of what happens to reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:17 AM
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That's the whole point of this post -- that there is plenty of dissent within TRP, just like there's plenty of dissent within the political right and the political left. All dissent isn't removed; what's removed is dissent that challenges (and often simply ridicules) the whole purpose of the sub. Imagine you're on the board of directors at a zoo. There may be lively debate within the board about which animals to bring in, which exhibits to open/close/expand, how to best secure funding, etc. All …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:15 AM
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The issue here is whether women are so terrified of rape that they value "warm and comfortable and safe" guys far more than masculine guys. The evidence that a majority of women likely fantasize about non-consensual sex (in whatever specific form) doesn't line up with that, and statistics on the threat of rape (less than 30 per 100,000 people, including both rape and all forms of sexual assault) doesn't line up with that. (And yes, I know rape is generally considered an underreported crime, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 11:22 AM
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Take this one, for example: There is abundant evidence that women, as well as men, desire long-term committed relationships; but there is also an emerging literature revealing a hidden side of women's desires suggesting that women have also evolved to pursue short-term or illicit affairs. The purpose of this article is to review these lines of evidence and other recent findings pertaining to the evolution of women's sexual strategies It's a pretty core PUA idea that what women say they want = wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 10:52 AM
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You just had a red pill idea. Do you resent women? Are you unfriendly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 10:46 AM
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As they age, sure. But when they're young, they'd prefer to play the Chad lottery. This is all familiar TRP territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 10:45 AM
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this is the first time I've heard that partying is only for rich people Honestly, your perception of what the average person makes might be off. I've had plenty of friends who party cheap occasionally tell me that they can't go out because they don't have the money to. Note also that pregaming with Busch Light and Old Crow isn't exactly the type of house party that's attractive to many women. Let's do some math while we're at it. Say you find a place with $5 drinks, have just 5 drinks per night,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 10:43 AM
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Is all of this made up, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 10:33 AM
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It's a frequent or preferred fantasy of 9-17% of women Alternately: Rape fantasies are common enough that despite being highly taboo, up to 32% of women freely admit having them. Note that if you change the question from "raped by a man" to "forced by a man," that jumps to 52%. It's extremely common for taboo answers to be underreported. Wonder what the real percentage is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 10:32 AM
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it don't matter if a dude is fuckable as much as if the dude will not try to rape her in her sleep. If this was true, guys with ED would be drowning in pussy and The Sun Also Rises would be a far different book.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 06:03 AM
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Specifically, the red pill idea that "she'd rather share an alpha than have a beta all to herself." It's like working at a dead-end job while waiting on a call back from an application with a company you'd love to work for. The moment that company calls and wants to set up an interview, you find an excuse to take a day off your dead-end job. Loyalty isn't a factor when you know one job is a much better deal, and you know you could find another dead-end job tomorrow if your dream job doesn't work…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 05:55 AM
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Anecdotal evidence is about as good as fiction in this case. Unless you believe there's a widespread conspiracy to lie about how effective TRP is (in which case I'd ask who's getting paid enough to drive that), that's ridiculous. Why would the majority of guys out there not be mostly honest about whether TRP works for them or not? The only incentive here is upvotes, and if someone says "this tactic didn't work for me" and it hasn't worked for a bunch of people, he's going to get upvoted. If some…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 05:10 AM
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My approach is the opposite of transactional. It's not keeping score; it's doing what you want, when you want to, and not being pressured into doing silly things you don't want to do. What's transactional is when she essentially says "buy me flowers to make me happy" and you buy her flowers to make her happy. She wants something in exchange for not being a bitch, and you comply to placate her. It's fine to do nice things for the other person, if you feel like doing them. Problems arise when you …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 04:46 AM
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If there's anecdotal evidence on both sides, and no better evidence, a reasonable person might try out the idea for themselves and see if it's worth pursuing. But you claimed there wasn't "any evidence backing their efficacy." That's clearly untrue. The fact that there is anecdotal evidence against them doesn't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 04:40 AM
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Youve never been married. Because married men are the ones who know how to get laid, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 12:48 AM
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you need some disposable income to do anything in life beyond the basics There's a big difference between "do anything... beyond the basics" and going out enough to where you're reliably going to get laid with that strategy. It's not that you have to have $20 in your pocket; it's that if you're going out every weekend you're going to rack up some bar tabs along the way. But the guys I know who tend to party the hardest have fairly average jobs. Yeah, you can party hard if you throw all your disp…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 12:47 AM
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There's a difference between doing nice things because you want to do them, and doing nice things because you're being asked to do them. Doing nice things because she badgers you into it isn't going to get you laid, and is a gateway towards getting badgered into doing more stuff. Thoughtfulness doesn't get you laid, only alfalfaness. You joke, but it's true. She might feel loved and secure in the relationship when you buy her flowers, but it doesn't make her want to jump your bones.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 12:39 AM
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They do, but that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about having the "why aren't you more romantic/buy me more stuff?" conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 12:16 AM
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The woman just isn't all that interested in sex/the guy isn't appealing enough for her to even occasionally want it. One or both partners are having sex, just not with their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 12:08 AM
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Fair enough. Although I do think there's a difference between "conflict" and "whining and fighting all the time." I have friends I disagree with all the time, but no one's ever asked me what we were "fighting" about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 12:05 AM
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Not rich, maybe, but now we're talking about how to define the word rich. It's really easy to blow a lot of money if you're partying/drinking/doing drugs all the time, so you at least need to have a good chunk of disposable income and a job where you have a decent amount of flexibility. Just think about the costs associated with going to a music festival. You have to fly or drive out there, get a place to stay for a weekend (and it can't be shitty if you're using this as a vehicle to get laid), …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 12:03 AM
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Some couples whine and fight all the time, it is how they work. How is that not a bad relationship? The fact that they're staying together doesn't change that; people don't automatically leave bad relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 08:28 PM
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TRP concocted ridiculously offensive theories about women on why it works Ever read The Game? TRP didn't make those theories up; it all came from old-school PUAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 08:21 PM
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it's something that comes naturally to neurotypicals Your average, neurotypical guy does not naturally learn how to flirt well enough to reliably get casual sex. He can "flirt" with his girlfriend, who already likes him, and with whom he has an abundance of experiences with that he can draw on to make cute little in-jokes. He can't effectively flirt with someone at a party who he just met, and who's initially indifferent to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 08:17 PM
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tease her a little Tell her a joke or a funny story So, PUA 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 08:12 PM
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None of them have any evidence backing their efficacy. They all have mountains of anecdotal evidence to support them. If you want something more empirical, good luck talking to whoever reviews your "talk women into sleeping with men" study for ethical concerns.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 08:11 PM
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You can be the hottest guy in the room but if you just stand there and everyone asks "who is this guy?", youre not going to have any luck. And even if you do have luck just standing there, you wont be invited there in the first place without a social network. If you're really attractive, you're not going to have trouble getting women to talk to you. Women will often approach you. And you're going to get invited either through a woman you met who wants to have you around, or through a man you met…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 08:08 PM
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Three and a half of your answers boil down to "be rich," and the other half answer is "fuck women you aren't attracted to." This is why guys go to TRP -- the answers you get almost everywhere else suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 07:58 PM
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I'm immediately going to question how many worthwhile responses we'll get about marriage in this thread. Most people on here aren't old enough to know a lot of people in bad marriages, and most people don't have that good of insight into other peoples' marriages anyways. Yeah, you might know that Bob from accounting has a bad marriage, but you didn't know Bob and his wife 15 years ago, so you can't evaluate how things started off. I think far more people on here can speak to (smaller scale) bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 07:51 PM
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I'd go with something like "I don't want you to love me based on the things I buy for you." And I'd have a version of that conversation before she asks me for flowers, so that when I bring that point up again it's not seen as simply not wanting to buy flowers. It's true -- I don't want to date someone who is only in it for the freebies, or who gets a big part of their relationship satisfaction from the freebies -- and it appeals to the romantic notion of "I'd love you if you didn't have a penny …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 07:39 PM
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Buying flowers doesn't build attraction. Women nurture the idea that more romance = more sex, but that's not how it works. And even if it did work that way, it would essentially be "take me out to a nice dinner if you want to get laid," which is a bad relationship dynamic for the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 07:22 PM
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But even if it were true, the rejectee is the one throwing away the "considerable respect and affection" of friendship, because it's not "more". Not something someone who has "considerable respect and affection" for another does. Being rejected means two things: You're more invested in the other person than they are in you, and you badly misjudged how invested they are in you. So you know for sure at that point that they're less invested than you are, and they may well be far less invested, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 07:18 PM
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The type of school and type of degree definitely matters, yes. And while it seems like a lot of strategy, I think a lot of it happens unconsciously, semi-consciously, or she just falls into it. For example, say Jane goes to college and wants to major in math. Halfway thorough her Calc II class in the fall of freshman year, she realizes that it's really difficult and she'd have to study a lot harder than she wants to do well on the tests. She also hears from a few upperclassmen that most of the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 09:24 PM
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Sure she might enjoy it if it has to happen, just like she can enjoy painting her nails... But she will still only have sex to maintain the relationship and will most often try to avoid it. This is one area where AWALT breaks down. There are some women who really, really like sex. There are some women who are largely indifferent to sex, or actively avoid it. These first two groups fluctuate depending on how attractive the guy is, but only so far. It's a two-way street. Some women are really comf…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 09:16 PM
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It's easier to understand animal behavior than it is to understand human behavior. That doesn't make it impossible to understand human behavior. There are countless things people can learn without directly experiencing them -- look at professional sports, where front offices are increasingly dominated by MBAs and statisticians who never played the game beyond high school. Discounting a person's thoughts on how women act because they've never tried to date one (or aren't one) is as silly as disco…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 09:10 PM
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It's not exactly a binary "I'd love to fuck her"/"I'd never fuck her" categorization. It's more like: I'd leave my family for a chance with her I'd put in significant effort for a chance with her I'd like to fuck her, and I'll put in effort, but I'm not going to be stupid about it I'd fuck her if it was easy I guess if she was all over me I wouldn't say no If I haven't gotten laid in months, and she was all over me, and none of my friends would ever find out, sure I'd have to be so drunk to cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 09:00 PM
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Some replies are more to add to the conversation than to start a discussion with a specific user.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:48 PM
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I don't agree that there are more women of value than men of value. If you're talking about how we're all valuable as individual human beings, sure. If you're talking about how valuable women and men are in the sexual marketplace, you very wrong. It's really easy to get laid as a woman: Now, I should note that when I tell you I'm fat, I really mean it. I'm not just slightly chubby and complaining about those last 15 pounds. I'm rather short and weigh almost precisely 300 lbs. I wear size 28 clot…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:46 PM
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It's not a "gotcha," and I'm not particularly interested in what you personally think of these two ideas. The point is that a lot of blue pillers on here (and a big chunk of society) would consider "fuck me or I'm leaving" manipulative, but don't consider "marry me or I'm leaving" manipulative. When TRP says we live in a gynocentric culture, this is what they're talking about. Stuff that benefits women tends to get the benefit of the doubt, while stuff that benefits men is looked at far more cri…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:36 PM
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Imagine you were trying to game the system to get a degree with as little effort as possible. You might: Ask other students/read class reviews to see which classes involved tests and which involved projects/papers. Avoid the former, load up on the latter. If you had to take a class that involved lots of in-class work, join a study group and get lots of small group or one-on-one help. For out-of-class work, find people to do it (or most of it) for you. You don't have to do great on the in-class w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:31 PM
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It's manipulative when it's Dread Game, but not manipulative when it's a woman getting her partner to take her ring shopping.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:20 PM
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To manipulate men, women have to be pretty and outgoing And really, they only have to be "outgoing" in the sense that they leave the house and are present in public. If they're pretty, they'll get on without having to go strike up a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:18 PM
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You're half right. Shitty people -- both men and women -- will try this behavior. But shitty women get away with it far more often. People have more sympathy for a woman crying than a man crying. People are more likely to feel bad for yelling at a woman than yelling at a man. People will leave a shitty partner who tries this... provided they have other options, and the average man doesn't have near as many options as the average woman. Sure, men and women try this. But because as a society we tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:16 PM
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But the older they get, the more they start to value personality over looks. The average guy learns that he's not getting a smoking hot partner -- 70% of women in the U.S. are overweight or obese, so there simply aren't enough attractive women to go around. So he makes the best of his situation. He finds someone he can tolerate who will (hopefully continue to) fuck him, and yeah, she has a better personality than body, because a significant majority of women in the U.S. don't have good bodies. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 07:54 PM
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I will never understand the level of scarcity a guy has to be at to take back a woman who cheated on him. You're married, and/or you have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 07:42 PM
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If you turn down a hypothetical unattractive lady-friend, or a gay male friend, does that mean there's less respect or affection? Generally people have one level of affection and respect for their romantic partners, and a lower (but still considerable) level of affection and respect for their friends. A romantic partner is a closer relationship. A rejection signals that the rejecter does not view the rejectee in that higher level of affection/respect, and signals a disconnect between how well th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 07:29 PM
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It's a lot less tangible advantage than "get this training for free/subsidized by the company because we don't think there are enough women in this field" programs. It's also nowhere near as direct an advantage (networking generally builds connections that might be useful down the road; it's not immediate help), and no longer as helpful as it once was (in a lot of major companies it's now considered unprofessional to try to influence the hiring process for someone you know, outside of the candid…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 07:08 PM
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But you seem to be saying that if one friend develops an unrequited crush, the target not returning the amorous feelings is evidence that the friendship is fake No. The friendship might be real in the sense that the one who turns down the date may have had no ulterior motive coming into it. Even in that case, the rejection still damages the friendship because it's clear that there's less mutual respect/affection/attraction than the rejectee had thought. And not only is that feeling not mutual, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 10:32 AM
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[Citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:54 AM
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Today, the "Old Boys Network" is nothing more than regular networking. Guys have an advantage because they tend to relate to other men better than women, and men are disproportionately well-represented in positions of power. But it's not just free help (like women-only groups/events/opportunities), and it's (if you work at it) potentially a leg up down the line, not an immediate benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 07:11 AM
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Or it means that there's an epidemic of ass grabbing, which would be sexual assault, but nowhere near as severe as rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 09:30 PM
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It's not school. In a lot of office environments almost every project is on a team or at least done with some help from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 09:28 PM
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Working in a profession where results matter to the board of directors? Less likely (or only to a certain level). Even in that environment women have advantages. They're less likely to get berated by a manager, and often have access to women-only groups/events/opportunities. They're also more likely to have an HR complaint taken seriously if they choose to report one. It's not all sunshine and rainbows for women in corporate roles, but there are pretty tangible benefits, even if they don't come …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 09:25 PM
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You're thinking only of high-value men. What you're saying applies a little to them, and not at all to the average guy. First, a guy who's "successful at having casual sex" and looking for "advice about how to get casual sex with an HB9 or 10" is by-definition a high-value man. He has so much sex available that he has the luxury of not just becoming selective, but selecting for the best-looking women out there. The average guy doesn't have a sex life anywhere close to this. When he's single, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:28 PM
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Really convincing points you're making here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:18 PM
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Have to hand it to you, this is the shittiest, most obnoxious reply I've seen on here in a while -- and that's saying something! You're interpreting my comment in the least charitable way possible, claiming I can't get laid, claiming I'm "half gone," ranting about "evil delusional thinking" that leads to shootings... really great job lowering the bar here. To recap, comparing a perfectly healthy and normal behavior (being indifferent to ugly men and not screwing them) to a sociopathic behavior (…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:09 PM
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People go to dates to get to know a person. You already know them. And you don't want to even try out dating them. Is it so hard to see how that would be insulting? Someone who knows you as well as anyone in the world, someone who likes spending time with you, won't date you. All possible explanations fall under them not thinking as much of you as you think of them, which damages the mutual respect friendships are built on. To go back to the financial comparison The financial comparison doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 06:59 PM
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A lot of my friends, though great people (hence friends), are people who would drive me crazy if I had to be around them on a daily basis. Who's talking about that, though? We're talking about one date. The bar for one date is pretty low. Women go on dates with guys who don't immediately strike them as "relationship material" all the time. All else being equal, there's no plausible reason why a woman would accept a date with a near-stranger over a date with a guy she already gets along great wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 09:14 AM
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Nothing of what he uses on himself. He doesn't claim that he is a new thinker. I have a hard time believing anyone could promote a best-selling book and go on a speaking tour without at least tacitly supporting their own hype. And he literally does claim to be a new thinker, as quoted from a letter to his father: I don’t know, Dad, but I think I have discovered something that no one else has any idea about, and I’m not sure I can do it justice. Its scope is so broad that I can see only parts of …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 09:05 AM
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Am I a victim because my math skills at work aren’t up to snuff? If you're a software engineer, and your boss comes in and grills you about some political issue and doesn't like your answer, is he right to say "tough shit, guess you need to come up with a better answer next time"? Of course not. Answering touchy political questions isn't your job, just like answering touchy political questions isn't Henry Cavill's job. Blaming someone for getting put in a spot in which they could not reasonably …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 08:52 AM
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I can't imagine a Real Friendship suddenly ending because of something line that. On the contrary, a Real Friendship is the most likely to end/be severely damaged because of a rejection. Remember, a Real Friend is someone who knows you as well as anyone. If you're rejected, it's not because you had a bad hair day, because they've seen you with better hair. It's not because you got a bad night's sleep and weren't your usual charming self, because they've seen you at your usual charming self. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 08:46 AM
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Would say say they were a Real Friend? Were they faking everything leading up to that as part of a larger plan to get the rich guy's money? Or were they genuinely being a friend, and then had a real need for money, and figured their rich friend might be a natural person to ask? From the perspective of the rich guy/woman, you never can know for sure if the other party was being genuine or if they were just trying to scam you. But that doesn't mean that everyone was trying to scam you, although th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 08:01 AM
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He needs to get better at it. Smells like victim blaming. No part of his job requires him to have perfect answers to hot button issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:48 AM
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lots of men seem to think "indifference to their existence (or lack thereof)" is synonymous with hatred apparently They're not that far from one another, if you think about it. If Jim is indifferent to Tom's existence, Jim might: Not throw Tom a life preserver when he's drowning Cut off Tom's health insurance to save a few bucks Fabricate evidence against Tom because it'd look good on Jim's next review All of those actions/inactions could be considered varying degrees of evil, but none involve J…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:34 AM
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Cavill gave voice to what a lot of men believe: and yes, there are a TON of women flinging rape accusations and sexual harassment accusations and misconduct accusations at men all the time for merely coming up and talking to them. The worry isn't that a ton of women are making spurious accusations. The worry is that all it takes is one to ruin your life. The risk of a crazy accusation might be low, but the consequences are so high that it makes sense not to chance it at all. If there was a 1% ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:27 AM
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it's good to stop at "no." that's what no means. Are you going to ignore every little bit of context until someone walks you through it? “Now? Now you really can’t pursue someone further than, ‘No’. It’s like, ‘OK, cool’. But then there’s the, ‘Oh why’d you give up?’ And it’s like, ‘Well, because I didn’t want to go to jail?’” He's specifically talking about situations where a woman says "no" (or gives some other sign of disinterest) but isn't being sincere. This happens all the time; even Super…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:20 AM
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It definitely increases the risk, because with a high-value man there's something concrete to be gained with an accusation. You get your name out there, or your story is widely heard and you can feel like you're making it easier for others to stand up, or you get a settlement, or you get to rewrite others' story about you, etc. People give a damn about him, and that can be leveraged. With some random non-celebrity dude the stakes are far lower. Sure, maybe you get whatever you're feeling off you…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:15 AM
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Here's a good read on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:05 AM
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it's a good sign if a guy is willing to stick around without sex. If you push it too far, the only thing this will tell you is that he's desperate. And of course you have to show physical interest even on dates when you don't have sex, or he'll just chalk it up to you not really being into him. A guy with an ounce of self-respect and anything going for him generally isn't going to wait any longer than three dates. Maybe two if you aren't really clear about your interest, maybe four if you make i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 06:56 AM
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Men don't want: A woman who sleeps with everyone (at least men don't want her for a relationship) A woman who cheats A woman who is overly public about an extensive sexual history This is what men are criticizing when they're complaining about sluts. Men do want: A woman who will be straightforward with them if she has sexual interest A woman who is comfortable with herself in the bedroom A woman who has a high sex drive with her partner; not a high sex drive for anyone and everyone she stumbles…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 06:49 AM
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Women are sleeping with exactly the guys they want to sleep with. Tell that to all the women bitching about bad partners. And not just the ones bitching about guys who were a good pick for a ONS but a bad pick for a relationship; I'm talking about women who regret sleeping with a guy as soon as the morning after. Women make mistakes, too. Women make dumb decisions, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 06:36 AM
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behavior sciences came from medicine/biology to psychology with Dr. Pavlov That research was done in the earliest part of the 20th century, so not that far in the past, and not that far from "a generation or two ago." I do believe gender studies have a hard part somewhere. but it is far from being their main focus. We're getting into territory where neither of us are fully informed, but I'd bet social sciences today are far more grounded in harder sciences than comparable studies of the past. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 06:36 AM
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I'm skeptical, too, but the same stuff being said about gender studies today was being said about behavioral psychology a generation or two ago. "Is that even science?"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 06:01 AM
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Ideologies tend to crumble when in regards to loved ones. It depends on the ideology. Plenty of social conservatives have a relative who's gay or lesbian, or who's needed an abortion, and they're surprisingly soft on that one issue despite being so far right on all the others. On the other hand, I don't see a ton of social liberals who have Trump-supporting relatives becoming soft on fascism. It seems to me that if having a relative who represents a given ideology can make one abandon that ideol…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:47 AM
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Holy shit, there are actually some worthwhile, interesting comments in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:39 AM
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"Weird shit" in softer sciences is like "pure science" in harder sciences. Plenty of stuff that has no readily apparent application today might turn out to be hugely useful tomorrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:39 AM
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socially transitioned As in: Dressed like, acted like, appeared to be a man? But with no hormones or surgery?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:37 AM
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Are you capable of staying on topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 04:52 AM
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they're not trying to drive it toward sex or trying to show the girl that the guy is worthy of sex One addition: They're able to do this because, once the initial conversation has begun, it's the woman in this scenario who will usually put sex on the table. The guy can afford to sit back and let the game come to him. For average guys, it doesn't work that way. He has to initiate at every step or he doesn't get laid. He has to "drive it toward sex" or it never goes in that direction. He doesn't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 04:22 AM
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It sounds like the only way she wouldn't benefit is she goes out of her way to pick a bad husband. Divorce can also solve or alleviate many of those problems, and many of those problems are not unique to marriage. For example, say your husband is an alcoholic. Divorce him, and that's far less of a problem. But maybe the next guy you date turns out to be an alcoholic, too, and you're right back where you started. Picking a bad partner isn't an irreversible mistake in marriages, and it's no a mist…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:19 PM
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Well now you're just shitting on her for having money. Not at all. I'm saying she's doing quite well financially, which is more than a lot of people can say. Certainly more than most single moms can say. Obviously you can do worse. And there it is. Obviously things could have turned out much worse had she gone the single mom route. She certainly wouldn't have had the luxury of not working for the past quarter century, and very likely would be in a worse overall financial position, too. She benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:08 PM
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I've got no clue what it paid back then. Then how can you say "she would likely be able to raise 3 kids on the salary she had"? You have no clue!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:57 AM
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Her husband had been cheating on her for ten years, can you even imagine how devastating that is? Ask a single mom struggling to pay for her kids' school supplies how "devastating" it is to have a husband who cheats on you in your vacation home. Yeah, it sucks. But you have money, so it can only suck so much. If she had continued to work, she would have been better off than she is at this moment, that is the bottom line. It's utterly ridiculous to claim that with such certainty. The only thing w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:56 AM
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If her salary would have been that high back then, why did she stop working? If her husband was trying to get a business off the ground, surely the extra family income would have helped. And what job would have paid "way over $100K" 26 years ago shortly out of school, and would leave a qualified employee unable to secure a livable wage in 2018?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:49 AM
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I'm saying she was not better off for marrying him. Bottom line is 26 years of a nice lifestyle, a divorce she initiated (i.e. was not forced into), and a lump-sum payment at the end. How many single moms would trade portfolios with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:46 AM
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As a single mom, she would likely be able to raise 3 kids on the salary she had Wait, so she would have been able to take care of 3 kids on one salary had she been a single mom, but she's now unable to take care of 2 kids on $100K+/year in income after a divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:44 AM
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Let's settle on this being such a highly implausible situation that, while it may be true in your friend's case, it's spectacularly unlikely to happen in many other cases. It may be an interesting anecdote, but too rare to be of much relevance to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:39 AM
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She's not getting alimony. Did you read my comment? You stated that alimony was awarded, and at some point he "decided he didn't want to pay alimony anymore." So he did pay some amount of alimony, but is no longer currently paying. Again, she does not have two million dollars. You stated that she sold her house, and that she received around $2 million for it. Even if the price was lower, and even if you take big haircuts in taxes and closing costs and whatnot, it's impossible to believe she woun…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:37 AM
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I understand why she made that choice. I'm saying it's unreasonable to expect sympathy over that choice based on what happened 26 years later. How many people at 50 wish they would have made better choices as a 25-year-old? Everyone has to deal with that to a certain extent; that's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:31 AM
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This story sounds more suspicious every second. OK, maybe he lives in a jurisdiction that allows people to avoid alimony obligations by retiring (even though from his net worth he could easily continue paying out of his bank account). Maybe wherever he lives also doesn't care about him purposefully avoiding a court order by managing his company through his new wife while he's officially retired. Maybe he doesn't care about his kids so much that he didn't want custody, and maybe his kids care abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:28 AM
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she couldn't afford to keep her kids in the house they grew up in. ~$2 million + alimony is more than enough to live comfortably, even if they had to move out of a McMansion and lost access to their vacation home. She could stuff that under her mattress and live on $100K/year for the next two decades. If she put it in a bank at just a 3% interest rate, she could live on $60K/year indefinitely. Mutual funds, a reasonably safe type of investment, typically yield 10%+; she could invest that $2 mill…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:19 AM
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If she knew what was going to happen 26 years down the road, I doubt she would have made that choice. This is a grossly unrealistic standard. Everyone has to make choices that involve risk and uncertainty, and no one has perfect knowledge of where those choices will lead a quarter of a century down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:01 AM
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So it totally fucked the woman there. Sounds to me like she got 26 years where she didn't have to work and got to spend tons of time with her kids, then got a ~$2 million golden parachute at the end. Also sounds like she has primary custody of the kids, which most people would trade tons of money for. he's technically not working anymore, so he doesn't have to pay alimony. Where is this? To my knowledge most jurisdictions don't let people off the alimony hook if they lose their job or retire, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:59 AM
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Interesting that they don't monitor it How can an internet forum monitor the real-world actions of its members? If someone brings up an extreme idea other commenters can chime in about how dumb it is, sure; but this already happens on TRP. What more are they supposed to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:51 AM
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The "children with dynamite" concept was mentioned in The Game, which included it as part of earlier discussions among PUAs. All of this likely predates Rational Male, although both may have developed the idea independently. Nothing you're saying is incorrect; this concept just goes back almost to the beginning and is fairly widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:48 AM
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And the other type of guy I brought up is the opposite of the "testosterone bomb" in the OP. That guy doesn't get laid like Chad unless he has all the caveats I attached, though. And again, that brings us most of the way back to a stereotypical Chad. In other words, the "slim, effeminate, artsy" guy you're thinking of isn't getting laid because of those characteristics. He's getting laid because he's successful in his field, is handsome in a way that simply "slim" doesn't capture, has excellent …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:45 AM
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All I'm saying is Chad isn't immune to rejection. No one is arguing that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:40 AM
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but fat people and fit people dont agree on the same world view like MGTOWS and Red pill does. Sure they do. The vast majority of fat people understand that eating less will make them less fat. The vast majority of fat people understand that exercising more will make them less fat. For the most part they don't have a fundamentally different view of nutrition and fitness; they just don't care enough about it (at least in comparison to other things) to prioritize it. and yeah, whats the difference…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:38 AM
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Well, I didn't think anyone was debating that Chad gets laid often. Then why bring up that you turned him down? How is that relevant if we all agree he gets laid all the time? It's like saying you don't patronize the most popular steakhouse in town because you don't like steak. You're right, and you're entitled to your preference, but in a discussion about how to create a successful steakhouse your input isn't particularly valuable. Women either can't see that Chad is a douchebag, or they can, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 07:36 AM
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There is no imperative to debate in good faith Then this is a shithole of a debate sub. One of the biggest trolls on here becoming a mod is laughable. Being a mod just means he is active, not that he is a high value contributor. I realize this might not be your logic, but holy hell is this stupid rationale. "We made this guy a cop just because he shows up, not because he's actually qualified for the job."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 01:31 AM
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Does the opposite of a pedestal need to be a garbage pit? Why can’t it just be the normal ground? I've seen plenty of TRP comments along the lines of "she's just a person, not anything to get obsessed over" that are far from extreme. But blue pillers ignore all of those and seek out the ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 01:24 AM
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I can’t even nail down consensus on what they think is an alpha and beta and those are the two most basic RP concepts. Isn't that a sign of a nuanced conversation? That there's no crystal-clear definition that everyone can agree on? If we talk about the rules of addition, that's not a nuanced topic. Everyone agrees that 2 + 2 = 4. There are an infinite number of other, similar statements upon which everyone will agree. No nuance, just correct vs. incorrect. But if we talk about politics, for exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 01:14 AM
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Dread game is the blue pill go-to when you ask "what's so bad about TRP?" They can't tell you what it is, or when TRP says you should consider using it, but they have no problem telling you how "abusive" it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 01:10 AM
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I did report it. My comment is directed at a mod, who responded to that report. Read the conversation you're replying to before hitting "save."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 01:06 AM
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I have no doubt the guy does get laid, and often. ...So your conclusion is that Chad gets tons of female attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 12:30 AM
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Chad isn't an anime character, he's an archetype. There are many people who fit that archetype very closely. A discussion about the commonalities between many successful, real people is useful. It's not at all similar to a discussion about fictional characters who run at superhuman speed and punch giant robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 12:29 AM
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First, we're glossing over the fact that "ur gay" is blatantly uncivil conduct that contributes nothing to the discussion (OP's comment here sums it up nicely), yet those comments are still up. Second, if /u/goatismycopilot (1) states that they don't believe OP is gay, then (2) calls OP gay anyway, (2) is the very definition of dishonesty. If I don't believe there's a baseball game on at noon, but I tell you there's a baseball game on at noon anyway, I'm lying. Lying is bad for the discussion. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 12:26 AM
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Someone using the basics of anything, in this case game, isn’t going to be among the top achievers The goal for the vast majority of men isn't to be among the top achievers, though. Very few guys are actively trying to sleep with top-tier actresses and models. The goal is to have reasonable access to sex with attractive partners on your own terms. Getting in shape and following a few game basics is a huge step in that direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 12:14 AM
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Why do the mods remove comments that use grown-up language, but not comments that are this blatantly dishonest? Which does more to hurt the quality of discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 09:23 AM
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Funny how these women started off as "cougars," but now they're just "drunk old women." And he got a date with you, did he not?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 09:12 AM
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Why would a poor person ever want to know how rich people wound up with so much money?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 09:10 AM
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Chads are basically like liberals- they get easy handouts without having to put in much work. Less conventionally attractive guys, however, are more like republicans- they have to put in some work There are tons of right wingers who rely on disability, Medicare, Social Security, etc. to get by. And it's laughable to suggest that all (or even a significant majority) of Democrats rely on similar government programs. But there's nothing like shoehorning shitty political analogies into an already mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 09:09 AM
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Yah more on the homo less on the erotic you wish you had fucked Chad yourself What exactly did you mean by these comments, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 09:02 AM
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So you don't think he's gay, but you're calling him gay to insult him? Are you a third grader?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:55 AM
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If you want to improve on an ability that is largely maxed out, you have to make sacrifices somewhere else. Not necessarily, at least if we're using a meaningful definition of "sacrifices." If I'm a professor who's largely maxed out my knowledge of one area in my field, I can find ways to increase my knowledge (read publications that have been translated from foreign languages, conduct new research) that require no meaningful sacrifices, as increasing my knowledge falls within the scope of my cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:54 AM
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What "red pill" calls "blue pill" is just "failing to adult" to the everyone else. RP would call "assuming good faith and taking your partner at their word" blue pill thinking. The wider world would definitely not call that thinking immature, childlike, or failing to adult. Quite the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:47 AM
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TRP is analogous to a pro athlete's fitness and diet regimen. It tells you how you can maximize the results of your efforts. If you do half of it, or a quarter of it, you're still going to see more results than if you did nothing. I guess you could argue that doing a quarter of LeBron's fitness and diet regimen (RP) is doing a completely different thing (Purple Pill), but it's doing the same exact stuff, with the only difference being a far lower focus on being as good as possible at every part.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:43 AM
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All these blue pillers calling OP gay is really changing my opinion!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:35 AM
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Generalizations are difficult when there are many different Chad archetypes. You have: The loud, handsome, popular frat bro. The strikingly intelligent/competent, handsome, socially adept professional. The super funny dude who's always the life of the party (who's also handsome). The high-level athlete, who's in fantastic shape and has tons of status and/or money. The outdoorsy guy who's handsome, engaging, interesting, and super driven to do his own thing. The street criminal who is smart enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:34 AM
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So your conclusion is that Chad gets tons of female attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:22 AM
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There's a lot less of a tangible difference than libertarians like to think.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:16 AM
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Getting women and sex takes work for a man. ... It is either worth the investment or it isn't. That is what sets RP and MGTOW apart. That's a pretty huge difference. By your logic, fat people and fit people are essentially the same because it comes down to a decision about whether working out and eating right is worth the investment. Fat people think it isn't, fit people think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:13 AM
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My problem with Red Pill is like you said they are still slaves to the vagina, just now they are doing it in a way that works. This is like saying that anyone who works for anyone else is a wage slave. There are certainly jobs where that term might apply, but there are plenty of jobs where it doesn't. The idea is to learn how to be in the latter group instead of the former. If I'm working from home and making great money at a job I generally enjoy, go ahead and call me a wage slave just because …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:10 AM
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Alpha\AF is in scientific terminology a man who embodies short term mating preferences for a woman. You can read my AF\BB post about this, pinned in my profile. This is not testable or falsifiable. Nonsense. It's certainly possible to come up with a list of traits that would hypothetically appeal to women interested in short-term mating, and it's certainly possible to test that list against women's actual short-term mate preferences. Height would be an example of a trait that might appeal to wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:02 AM
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Maximizing the strategy requires being Machiavellian and ignoring any healthy equilibriums. Very few people maximize anything in life. If I just want to get in better shape, I don't have to go on a professional athlete's diet and workout plan and forego everything else. I can take simple steps that will probably have a noticeable impact, or I can take bigger steps (that are still far from maximizing) that will have a larger impact. "Maximizing the strategy leads to bad stuff" is no different fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 07:47 AM
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This isn't a thread about specific advice. If you want specific advice, /r/theredpill is that way, and it has plenty of threads about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 07:44 AM
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There's one definition of the term that's used almost ubiquitously, and that's the definition I gave. Do you want to learn what the term means and have a discussion about it, or do you want to play the "well, 5% of people who've heard this term think it might mean something different than it does to the other 95%, so no one really knows" game?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 06:13 PM
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Flip that around. How can you respect a person without first accepting them for who they are? Blue pillers may treat women with more courtesy, but they're not respecting the woman, they're respecting the ideal of what they believe a woman should be. It's like someone mistaking you for a celebrity and being super nice as a result. They don't actually respect you; they respect what they think you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 07:13 AM
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AWALT is just where you set the baseline. Do you set the baseline at assuming people are good, and then wait for them to prove otherwise (NAWALT)? Or do you set the baseline at assuming people are bad, and then wait for them to prove otherwise (AWALT)? You have to start from somewhere. AWALT is just starting from a place where misjudging someone's character will cost you a lot less.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 07:10 AM
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Neither of those are what "pussy whipped" means. A guy who's pussy whipped has to ask permission to hang out with his buddies, has to check in with his wife before he can make even small purchases, always gets steamrolled whenever there's even a minor disagreement, etc. He's a guy without a spine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 07:01 AM
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Why would a woman feel good about getting scraps Scraps? She gets to (at least) share the benefits of a dual-income household, if not enjoy the benefits of a household where only her husband works. She gets the societal benefits of being married/in a committed relationship, which aren't trivial. If she wants kids, she gets a partner who's probably going to stick around because he doesn't have a ton of other options. Any one of those is hardly "scraps." from a man who, firstly, probably didn't ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:59 AM
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They were based on how many students described their professors “hot” or “not hot”. There's also a decent chance the "researcher" used a search program to count these occurrences, as a sample from even one semester could have easily numbered in the thousands. Such a program could have easily registered comments like "the classroom was always hot" or "the textbook was expensive and useless, which wasn't so hot."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:52 AM
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You claimed, "I would attribute those sorts of numbers more to poverty, lack of education, a racist criminal justice system and lack of access to birth control methods" I said nothing of the sort. Pay attention to who you're replying to. My claim is that the War on Drugs is by far the most significant driver of deterioration in black communities over the last 50 years or so. How hard it is to buy condoms has very little to do with that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:29 AM
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They don't get their STEM degrees because they are enamored of chemical engineering and they have thought about it day and night since they were 9 A ton of people go into engineering and related fields for this exact reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 06:28 AM
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The idea that rpers can stand out by holding frame or other twaddle amuses me. This isn't even close to what TRP says.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:45 AM
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People, in general, are boring. Make yourself interesting. It isn’t that difficult. If it wasn't that difficult, most people wouldn't be boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:37 AM
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By simply going to a club/bar, you are already seeing the the top ~50% of the population in terms of looks. This is definitely true in certain club/bar environments, and it's why TRP has a lot of discussion on day game. If you need to do way more to stand out in a meat market, don't go to the meat market.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:31 AM
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if your girl cheated on you, you'd be correct in calling her a cheater. If some woman has a string of faithful relationships and cheats one time, people who know her generally aren't going to think of her as a cheater. The guy she cheated on might, but that's not going to be the social consensus. The social consensus is going to be she's a generally alright person who cheated on some boyfriend once. That's not the type of person one is warned about, or the type of person who's gossiped about. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:28 AM
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Going to festivals, going to house parties, socializing is effort. Getting out of bed takes effort. Eating takes effort. Showering takes effort. If you're using "effort" to mean "literally anything but sitting on one's ass" then yes, going to a house party is effort. But showing up to a party is about the easiest thing in the world, it's "no trouble." We're not talking about what's technically effort. We're talking about what's a non-trivial amount of effort. It's not magic, but surrounding your…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:24 AM
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...So why would red pillers be wrong about anything? Just take three sentences and write out what you're thinking instead of playing guessing games.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:20 AM
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You managed to ignore all of them. Because they aren't particularly relevant. The question is why there are so many broken families in black communities. The overwhelmingly most significant answer is the War on Drugs, which was specifically designed to "disrupt [black] communities." Your questions address more secondary answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:19 AM
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You're getting lost in the weeds here. These are concepts, not ironclad definitions that apply completely and universally in every single case.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 05:15 AM
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Yet even when I clarified it to mean "uncommon," not "a literal exaggerated drawing of someone on paper," you still insisted on misunderstanding, because you'd rather bitch about semantics than discuss the merits of the argument. Here, try /r/bitchaboutsemantics. That's more your speed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 07:27 AM
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you misused a key word in your argument Oh, so you're telling me you thought I was using "caricature" to refer to a drawing? Yep, you're really arguing in good faith! I had to clarify your stance Yet even when I clarified it to mean "uncommon," not "a literal exaggerated drawing of someone on paper," you still insisted on misunderstanding, because you'd rather bitch about semantics than discuss the merits of the argument. Here, try /r/bitchaboutsemantics. That's more your speed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 07:22 AM
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No. Where would you possibly get that idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 07:14 AM
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If you have to bitch and moan about semantics instead of debating the topic at hand, your argument is probably shit. If you have to pretend that the other side made an argument that they did not make, and make the least charitable assumptions about what they were trying to communicate, your argument is probably shit. Your arguments are shit, otherwise you'd focus on them instead of getting into pissing matches about how purposefully obtuse you can be. If you have shit arguments, and you do, perh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 07:13 AM
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Of course not. You could be judged to have no fault in their death (perhaps you were driving, got in a wreck, and someone else involved died), or you could be judged to have some responsibility in their death but not murder-level responsibility (perhaps you killed someone in a workplace accident and were convicted of negligence/manslaughter/etc.). Maybe your actions are never discovered and you're not labeled anything. There are many situations where you kill one person and are not considered a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 07:07 AM
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Illogical, naive, manipulative, childlike, etc. None of that has to do with how "slutty" a woman is. All of those have to do with how slutty a woman is. A naive woman, for example, is usually non-slutty almost by definition (i.e. if she's slept with 20 dudes, how naive can she be?). A woman who's illogical or childlike is usually more impulsive and less likely to think through possible consequences, both of which point towards greater promiscuity. And a woman who's manipulative probably has a ke…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 07:01 AM
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I see that you're generalizing; I'm asking where that generalization comes from if not your own pre-existing biases. As we've established, there was essentially zero detail in this hypothetical. So your generalization is based on nothing more than the assumptions you brought to the conversation. If you tell me there was a robbery in a rural area, and one of the items stolen was a certain cough medicine, and it didn't look particularly well planned out, and witnesses report seeing a guy who looke…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:45 AM
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Perhaps because a key component to a woman liking/respecting the guy she marries is his ability to be professionally successful, relative to her. I'm not saying this is all women value; I'm saying it is a significant factor among a few other significant factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:36 AM
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The only thing that keeps me coming back to PPD is that every time I think I read the dumbest shit I've ever seen, that gets topped within a day or so. You know what's a secondhand account of others' experiences? Reading a cookbook written by someone who's cooked a bunch themselves. Watching a YouTube video about how to build a fence from some DIY channel. Asking a professional mentor about what they've done in a similar work situation. Listening to a professor talk about his experiences in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:34 AM
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You know you have a shit argument when you'd rather argue semantics than the actual topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:28 AM
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When a woman gets in an exclusive relationship, she stops talking to other men who are still trying to sleep with her No she doesn't. She usually stops actively trying to sleep with other guys, at least for the time being. But there are always interested guys who are talking to her, and even if she doesn't flirt back a little, she's generally aware of what her other options look like. This is comparable to having a job, not actively seeking another job, but maybe having a conversation with a rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:27 AM
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It sounds like your opinion is presuming these women are low value despite a lack of supporting evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:11 AM
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What did I say that implies this woman is the opposite of high value? I gave almost zero detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:02 AM
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If someone cheat, he/she is a cheater Then you believe anyone who gets drunk once is an alcoholic. That's not how the English language works.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 06:01 AM
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because they are stuck Women in medium-high and high income quartiles certainly aren't stuck with anyone. Even assuming they get no financial windfall from the divorce, they still have more than enough to live on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:55 AM
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Interesting research, but it leaves a couple of wide-open questions: It turned out that all the pictures induced physical arousal in them. However, when the women were explicitly asked which photos they consciously found arousing, their responses were much more selective. this is why it’s crazy that some men use the fact that women get wet during rape as evidence that women really want it. Unless they also think women really want monkey sex... Maybe women are sometimes turned on by rape, and are…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:51 AM
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A caricature means they don’t exist, not that they are uncommon. If you're going to take everything hyperliterally, and interpret whatever I say in the least charitable way possible, why not just tell me that caricatures are drawings on a sheet of paper, so of course they aren't real women in the real world? For fuck's sake, I'm obviously using "caricature" here to mean "someone who's life is very far removed from average, all in the direction of one particular stereotype." A guy who wears a che…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:39 AM
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but plate status as in an extended period of time? Not really. What's "an extended period of time?" Weeks? Months? A year or two? There are plenty of high-value women who sleep with married men for that long or longer. They know he's married, and in many cases (usually when he's a public figure) they know he's not getting divorced. They won't be the side chick forever, but for any number of reasons they're content with that situation for the time being.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:33 AM
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I think there are far fewer Trysha and Trysha adjacent than RPers claim. Yes, because Trysha is a caricature. Someone so comically over-exaggerated that of course they aren't common. It's easy to avoid someone like Trysha, just like it's easy to avoid a caricature of a used car salesman. What is common, and what's harder to avoid, is someone who displays a few of the AWALT characteristics TRP warns about, but isn't cranked up to 11 on every single one of them (like Trysha). Those women are all o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:23 AM
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So lectures are useless? Books are useless? How are you making this shit up?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:19 AM
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No one is making the claim that it's "no trouble". Plenty of the more dishonest blue pillers on here make this exact claim. There was one guy on here who used to tell people to just go to a music festival and do drugs, as if that magically got dudes laid. Plenty of other posters say a lighter version of this, like "just go to house parties and drink and socialize." They're not saying any effort is involved; it's the old "just put yourself out there" platitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:15 AM
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1965 was before the War on Drugs, which was designed from the beginning to break up minority communities: "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday. "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:09 AM
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So your contention is that it's impossible to learn by observation, or by listening to people who've experienced something first hand? That's fucking dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:23 AM
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Or if they're hoping the guy will eventually settle down with her, which is an extremely common strategy. It’s not a “massive caveat” plates are not talked about as flings. All you're really saying is that high-value women generally aren't willing to indefinitely be a fuck buddy. Who's saying they are? TRP says (even in serious relationships) that she's not yours, it's just your turn, so they're certainly not pushing the idea that a plate is going to be happy sticking around in that status forev…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:22 AM
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Not every woman is a caricature Did I say that type of woman didn't exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:19 AM
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At least for some extended period of time. That's a pretty massive caveat, considering that plates are almost always temporary relationships. They might not want such a relationship long term, but plenty of high-value women are more than happy to (temporarily) be a mistress, or side chick, or booty call, or fling for a high-value man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:11 AM
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Exactly. When you put a label on someone, it means that they habitually or continuously do something that earns them that label. An alcoholic drinks all the time. A bad driver cuts people off all the time. An asshole is rude all the time. And a cheater cheats all the time. When someone acts a certain way once or twice, and acts completely differently the rest of the time, it makes zero sense to label them based on their outlier actions. Someone who drinks every couple of weeks isn't an alcoholic…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:08 AM
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Well it's happened plenty to me, and I've almost never seen a guy do any of that when he gets shot down. So now we both have anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:04 AM
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Not everyone is Trysha. Sure, because "Trysha" is a caricature. Not every woman is a caricature of RP ideas, but a huge percentage demonstrate at least some RP ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:00 AM
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I wrote advice half wanting to bring people into abundance mentality half wanting to farm beta male rage. GLO, in that thread. Congratulations, you took the bait. You do realize that it's people like you, who take the ridiculous shit he says seriously, who encourage this sort of trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:48 AM
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There’s some support in RP thinking for it, like how high value women won’t willingly be happy just being a plate I'd say most RP thinking tends towards "a high-value woman isn't going to be happy as a plate *for a low-value man." But for a high-value man? High-value women are plates for them all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:42 AM
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The vast majority of high-quality chicks would never relegate themselves to a side-chick. High-quality women do this all the time for high-quality men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:31 AM
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I believe that the only ones who can truly get away with that are women on the better end of the SMV spectrum. TL:DR men tolerate that behavior due to hotness and sex. Excellent point. First, men have a far easier time walking away from an ugly (or merely average) woman who treats them like shit. Second, this acts as a social feedback mechanism that probably helps shitty ugly/average women adjust their behavior. Hot women are harder to walk away from, thus don't have the same social feedback on …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:26 AM
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If you have one drink, are you an alcoholic?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:21 AM
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IIRC BP also argues that TRP works on naive girls without much relationship/dating experience. Let me get this straight: TBP says that TRP works on women who've had a ton of relationship experience (bar sluts), and TBP says that TRP works on women who've had almost no relationship experience (naive girls). If this is correct, that's a lot of women (and a significant variety of women) that TBP admits TRP works on. And it also begs the question of how a little experience with men makes the naive w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:19 AM
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TRP is characterized as "tricks" so people can more easily dismiss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:15 AM
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Eh, I'd say most people don't have a goal when they go into a date. They're open to a wide range of possibilities, from a ONS to a LTR, and they just see how it plays out. It's not a zero-sum game where if they sleep together after the date he's won and she's lost. Maybe they both wanted an ONS at the end of the evening, or maybe they both are interested in exploring a more serious relationship but are fine with skipping to the sex part instead of taking it slow.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:53 AM
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Do all Omegas have absolutely no money? Plenty of guys do have so little money that they can't afford to do a bunch of dating. Omegas would just be someone who is so bad looking, or has so little money, or has such poor social skills that he can't even stumble into a relationship where he at least gets occasional duty sex. Alphas can get the types of relationships they want, Betas can get relationships but have to compromise heavily, Omegas can't get relationships at all. Keep in mind, these cat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:50 AM
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women date and fuck their friends all the time IF they're attractive. OK, so what would you call the zone where you're friends with a woman, and not attractive (enough)?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 08:47 PM
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All else being equal, more attractive people get more attention because the average person would rather talk to/work with/interact with an attractive person than with an ugly. And that attention is more benevolent because attractive people are better liked than their ugly peers. Again, I can see how that attention can sometimes ring a little hollow if it's paired with underestimating the attractive person's abilities, but any form of attention can certainly be used to one's advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 08:45 PM
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The AF/BB distinction is about whether she views a man for his ability to provide sex (AF) or money (BB). Nothing about the concept of BB requires him to have so much money that he can buy her a house and a car and a bunch of other shit. The defining characteristic is that he gives her money, whether a little or a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 08:41 PM
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while hiding their intentions The woman who just wants free food and doesn't give a damn about the guy is hiding her intentions. The guy who wants to have sex with the woman is in no way hiding his intentions. The whole point of a date is to see if you want to get more serious with someone (and having sex is one of the first steps on that path), so those intentions are built into the very premise of the event. The only time sex after a date would be a bait-and-switch is if the guy presents himse…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 08:38 PM
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Not necessarily. There's no rule that says advocacy groups have to push exclusively for more powers/freedoms for their side, and can't acknowledge that some limitations on those powers/freedoms are OK. Think of an environmental advocacy group. It doesn't have to be pushing the idea that all undeveloped land should remain undeveloped forever. It could instead push for certain areas to remain undeveloped, while acknowledging that other ares need to be developed (in an environmentally responsible m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 08:35 PM
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men will follow, shout, touch, or become genuinely aggressive Panhandlers do all of these things on occasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 08:30 PM
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unwanted attention I struggle to see how this is a "genuine" problem, although I imagine it depends on how we're defining "genuine." It's less than ideal, sure, but it's basically the same as constantly walking through a part of town with a ton of panhandlers. Annoying? Sure. But it's not as if your health is constantly at serious risk, it's not as if it's a traumatic or emotionally taxing experience, and it's not as if you have to give them any of your money. validation getting old Getting told…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:47 AM
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men who lower their standards are often unhappy I did not say that anyone who lowers their standards is unhappy. I said that lowering one's standards is often a precursor to unhappiness. What else is unhappiness, if not having an expectation and then receiving less than that expectation? Are you going to tell me that everyone who lowers their standards is completely fine with it? I want to be worshipped by everyone and have my pick of 6’3 18 year old studs You didn't lower your standards, becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:36 AM
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It shows intellectual honesty, i.e. that you're not just another me-first group.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:31 AM
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Read the conversation you're replying to before replying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:25 AM
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who brings a pizza to a stranger’s house You're really ripping on the guys here?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:23 AM
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That's a fine strategy for limiting the damage, but a free drink is just a cheaper version of the same issue (free dinners). You're not ripped off as much, but you're still ripped off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:21 AM
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Either way, it is a bait-and-switch with the switch Yeah, the "bait-and-switch" part is key, and is why /u/SmurfESmurferson's comparison doesn't work. The whole point of a date is that you already have some interest in the person, and want to find out of you have more. A woman cruising for a free dinner is abusing that agreement to get free shit. It's like someone who works for a big company agreeing to help with interviews because it means a free catered lunch, but then not really giving a damn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:19 AM
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These guys who are taking them out to dinner might not even have much money. They have enough money to take them out to dinner once, and that's all that matters to a woman who's interested in a free dinner and nothing else. Beta Bucks doesn't mean a millionaire who'll give them everything they want. It means a fool who's easily parted from whatever money he does have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:07 AM
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Are you drunk right now? We already covered all this. You're just talking in circles, and disagreeing with stuff you agreed with earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:03 AM
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Yes, men who lower their standards are often unhappy, too. Who is saying otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 06:58 AM
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The whole foundation of TRP is that the average woman has infinitely more access to sex than the average man, yet this is something red pill guys have trouble coping with? Understanding that is a prerequisite to buying into anything else on the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 06:56 AM
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Stupid reply. The choice is between going out of your way to leave her in a better spot or not. You're already doing her a favor, you have no obligation to do anything else for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 06:06 AM
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If you can't withhold your dick for a month You don't owe her anything. You're already doing her a favor. You shouldn't be putting your life on hold just to be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 05:39 AM
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like...you could just.. wait? Then you're screwing yourself over. Why put your life on hold when you don't have to, and when you ultimately owe your current partner nothing? What if you meet someone you'd like to explore a relationship with? You can't tell them just to check back with you in six months. Also, if she finds that you have a new gf immediately after breaking up she'll put 2 and 2 together and all that good intention would be for nothing. So don't post everything about your life on F…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 08:29 PM
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It may be a “criticism” but not one I’m unwilling to apply to other ideologies Then that begs the question of why you would bring it up with regards to TRP specifically. It's like criticizing a car for not being able to fly when pretty much every other car can't fly, either. What's the point? It is simply why it’s very difficult to argue “what RP is” I understand what you're saying here (that there's no list of 10 things that TRP absolutely is, and everything not on that list is not TRP), but ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 08:23 PM
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Where did I say this is a “bad thing”? Come on. In what world is the implication that "RP isn't consistent as an ideology" (which you've now openly stated) not a criticism? If you told a judge that he twists pretty much anything to support his pre-existing beliefs, do you think he'd take that as a mere "observation?" Obviously it's a criticism. Don't piss on my foot and tell me it's raining.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:00 PM
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Because moving to a new city and LDR she is more likely anticipating that things could not work out. She's anticipating that things might not work out a few months down the line when you've had time to try and make a go of it. She's not anticipating that you're going to pull the plug right off the bat. Unexpected bad news is usually worse than expected bad news, because you're blindsided by it. And bad news when you're trying to settle in a new city and a new job is generally worse than bad news…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:55 PM
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It does negate your point. You're arguing that "almost any behavior can be twisted or fit into" RP thinking, which is only a bad thing if that flaw is unique to RP thinking, or at least rare among more common schools of thought. But in reality that flaw is present everywhere, in all but the hardest of sciences. It's essentially confirmation bias. So you're not criticizing a facet of TRP, you're criticizing a facet of pretty much everything more subjective than physics. If your criticism applies …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:44 PM
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Eh, sometimes lying is better than the alternative. Say your girlfriend moves across the country to take a different job, and you realize that the chances of it working out are low at best. Do you break up with her right away, so that she has to go through the stress of starting a new job while dealing with the stress of an unexpected breakup? Or do you put your future on hold (for how long?) in an attempt to let her get adjusted before dropping the bad news? Or do you stick it out for even long…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:24 AM
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I’m not comparing RP to anything supposedly opposite though Democratic/Republican ideas, at least in theory, aren't necessarily opposite. For example, foreign policy has traditionally been an area where both parties have widely agreed. I’m saying almost any behavior can be twisted or fit into some sort of “RP” type of thinking. My point is that this is far from unique to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:14 AM
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You comment in a thread about women having male friends, say "my male friends," talk about your male friends hypothetically wanting to fuck you, and you aren't a woman? This has to be the stupidest fucking exchange I've ever had, not just on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:10 AM
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I disagree If you don't think there are boring people out here, you just aren't living in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:06 AM
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They’re just waiting for the right time? For a guy, this just sounds like an excuse. It's like someone who can't get a job saying they're just waiting for the right opportunity. No, you just can't get a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:02 AM
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You could say the same thing about Democratic or Republican policy proposals, yet obviously reasonable people can tell the difference between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:54 AM
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low value women are forced into sluttery in order to attract mates Men who slut around usually have the option to form relationships So what you're saying is that low-value women are female sluts, and high-value men are male sluts? Why shame someone who you're defining as high value?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:44 AM
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Keep lying to yourself. See how that works out for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:21 PM
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That makes complete sense, and is also directly aligned with red pill thinking. I see very few blue pillers admitting this on here, even though it's abundantly obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:20 PM
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So your argument is that because an incel could go out and rape somoone, they're voluntarily celibate? Shit argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:18 PM
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No. The problem is that blue pillers don't have the intellectual honesty to admit which type of woman is by far the most common. So they argue both sides of the issue, depending on what's convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 08:23 AM
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And most people would agree they deserved it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:36 AM
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I'm not saying all introverted people are boring. I'm saying that some are, and that boring people definitely exist out there. The other poster was asking how it's even possible to have a boring relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:30 AM
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If you like spending quiet evening at home then none of this would be a problem. Sure, but your question was about how it's even possible to have a boring relationship. Clearly, there are some boring people out there. How many women complain that they aren't getting enough sex or kinky enough sex from their boyfriend? There are only 30 comments in this thread at the moment, and there's already one. And you're talking to her! And my broader point is about blue pillers on here shifting their argum…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 07:28 AM
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I don't know how a relationship can be boring unless he's in a coma. He has a a shitty personality, or a lack of a personality. He's not fun to go out with, or to hang out with friends with. It's hard to hold an engaging conversation with him. Know those people who you could just talk to for hours? He's the opposite of that. Sex isn't that important to most women. Is it that day on PPD? Seems like half the time on here women want sex as much as men, half the time it's no big deal. He sounds resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 06:13 AM
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We're just as valuable as she is If you're high SMV, sure. Most guys aren't, by definition. If you're closer to the middle she's absolutely more valuable than you, at least in terms of the sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:53 AM
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High fertility rates in the past were mostly a result of: Lack of birth control options, and A more rural population, where more kids = more cheap labor for the farm. Neither of those apply to the vast majority of first world populations today.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:52 AM
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None of these are indications that he will be bad in a relationship. Shy or introverted can definitely be an indication that the relationship will be boring. A guy who doesn't think sex is that important could easily not satisfy his partner, in quantity/quality/variety of sex. A medical condition might not be his fault, but it sure doesn't make a relationship easier. Focusing on school to the exclusion of everything else sounds like someone who has likely not thought their priorities through ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:49 AM
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I believe that 99% of all women's hypergamy can be weeded out by "We're going dutch" at the outset. The only problem with this is that you wind up throwing out a lot of babies with the bathwater. Many women (who are legitimately interested) like the guy to at least offer to pay on the first date, if not pay outright. Even if they're fine with going dutch, talking about it beforehand ranges from blandly unattractive to seriously awkward. And I'd say an overwhelming percentage of first dates (easi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:45 AM
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Voluntary in what sense? That they aren't raping people? That they aren't breaking the law to get only part of what they want (prostitution)? That they aren't hitting on women they have zero attraction to? That they aren't cruising for gay dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:36 AM
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Most people can't pick up on microexpressions - the FBI literally has training for normies to be able to do so. I'd bet most people can pick up on microexpressions to the extent that they can tell someone isn't being sincere, especially if they know for a fact that said person isn't sincere (i.e. the prostitute wouldn't be sleeping with them if not for the money). I'd bet FBI training is a lot more oriented towards cases where one doesn't know for a fact what the other party is thinking, and pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:33 AM
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Haha yes, they do indeed want to fuck you. Not "break up with my wife/girlfriend" want to fuck you. Just "if we were both single and there was an opportunity" want to fuck you. But it's definitely on their radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:19 AM
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Yeah, that's pretty obviously bullshit. People rarely forget their money, and they do it even more rarely if they might have to pay for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:18 AM
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Thanks for being genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:16 AM
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You might not cut your friend out of your life, but you certainly might think less of them, consciously or not. If I have a friend who's cool in a ton of ways but thinks the Earth is flat, I'm at least on some level going to think he's an idiot. I'll still hang out with him and have fun, but it diminishes the friendship to a degree. The real problem is if I'm married to someone who absolutely can't tolerate flat Earthers. If I want to do couple things with my flat Earther buddy and his wife, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:30 PM
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For the friends thing: we may each bring a $200 or $300 bottle of wine to a nice dinner (vs ordering off the wine list), but everyone matches each other. What I've seen is that everyone might bring what's considered a nice wine within the constraints of their budget. If one of my richer friends is having me over for dinner, I might bring a nice bottle of wine that's still within my price range, and they might "bring" a nice bottle of wine within their price range. Theirs costs more, and it's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:27 PM
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As long as you're both happy who cares? My point is that your happiness is to a degree a function of what friends and family think of you, and what friends and family think of you is to a degree a function of societal norms. find better friends and say "fuck you" to their family Realistically, most people aren't going to do this, and most people don't want to. And disagreeing with one of your close friends fairly strongly in one area isn't a sign of "toxicity;" it's a sign that you're different …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:20 PM
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they're not buying them for their friends. But if their friend comes over, they're not putting away the good booze and serving Busch. They're not showering their friends with gifts, but they're certainly not being stingy with them. And there's also a difference between friends and someone you're casually dating, as useful as the friends analogy is. If I was going on a day trip to some local small town festival, I might take a date along and pay. I'm not paying a bunch, mind you, just gas, cheap …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:48 PM
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Just don't get flirty. This is why male-female friendships don't work out unless at least one party is taken: That fun, stupid banter you have with all of your good friends? It's basically flirting. So if you "don't get flirty," you have to avoid that banter, which is a key part of why friendships are enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:40 PM
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If my guy friends wanted to fuck me Are you attractive? Then they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:37 PM
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Set him up on a date with one of your friends or acquaintances. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work out. The purpose is to show that you aren't considering dating him, because people with romantic interest in someone else don't set that someone else up on a date with another woman. And if it does work out, you made two people happier and can still enjoy fun friend activities with this guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:36 PM
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That's a nouveau riche thing. It most certainly is not, and even if it were, what difference would that make? You'd still have a ton of rich people throwing money around. To clarify a bit here, I'm not talking "throwing money around" as in "buying shots of Patron for every person in a 500-person bar." I'm talking about buying a number of flashy cars, or going out to expensive places and spending a ton pretty regularly, or dropping significant money on fancy clothes/watches/jewelry, or jetting al…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:29 PM
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I'm not saying to limit yourself, I'm saying that if you're looking for women among that age group, you're likely to find a good number of single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:23 PM
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Do you like your friends or family? Because if you do, you too give a shit about what society thinks of you. We all like to think that we'll do what we want and damn all the haters, but at the end of the day if you do something socially unacceptable and the people you love think less of you for it, you're still paying the price. I'm not saying you can't date younger women. I'm not saying you can't date younger women and pull it off in a way that the people you care about are cool with it. I'm no…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:21 PM
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Alhrougj nothing prevents you from looking up younger women without the baggage. Nothing besides the parts of society that call you a pervert for wanting to date a 25-year-old when you're in your 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:57 PM
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Anywhere you're 30+ and trying to date women of your own age, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:55 PM
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Maybe, maybe someone will spring for a Blade ride or use their NetJet account to get there OK, so besides flying someone out (often the most expensive part of these sorts of trips) on a private plane (not showing off at all, there), these people don't take others for vacations on their dime and don't show off. That's a massive caveat. It'd be like if we went out to a fancy dinner, I paid, and then we stopped for ice cream on the way home and went dutch. And seriously - rich people are the cheape…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:53 PM
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Getting married is a bad idea, period. Agreed, unless you're planning on having kids. Cohabitation ftw. Cohabitation isn't a terrible idea if you're several years into a LTR and you're only not married because you don't think marriage is a good deal. Cohabitating earlier on is like spit-roasting a gasoline tank in the middle of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:47 PM
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I'm not arguing any side Sure. I'm asking you to answer a question based on what you wrote. I didn't write it. But obviously no one is saying that "have a job" is an unreasonable expectation. In context, the issue is these women making a laundry list of "what are you going to do for me, huh?" items, which indicates that they're more interested in what you're going to provide for them and their kid(s) than they are in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:43 PM
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Why? Because breakups happen. And then you're shacked up with someone who doesn't want to see you, and you don't particularly want to see them. And because if things get messy, you have to figure out how to evict an unhappy ex from your place, or you're getting evicted by said ex. Then there's the idea that many couples stick together because it's easier than breaking up, not because they're both super happy with the relationship. If you make it harder to break up by living together, you put you…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:38 PM
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If you have difficulty understanding anything between “None at all” and “Everyone gets a tip!” I don't. I'm not saying that. I've said at least twice now something completely different from that. Why are you insisting that this is my position?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 06:32 PM
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Cohabitating with any woman you aren't married to is a bad idea, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:58 AM
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The classic example is "I believe in equality," while still expecting the man to pay for the first date (if not the majority of/all subsequent dates). See also: Being a sexually liberated woman, who professes to be into you, who says that sex is no big deal, yet still makes you wait for sex. Believing that sex should be something that consenting adults agree to and enjoy for its own sake, then using it as a weapon (e.g. "if you don't do X, don't expect to get laid tonight"). Believing that marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:52 AM
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You read all of that, and single out that one bit? If you really want to convince the other side you're right, and aren't just grandstanding for people who already agree with you, you argue against the strongest point of the other side, not the weakest point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:44 AM
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Yet another idiotic non sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:32 AM
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I am saying that if she does deceive him AT ANY POINT, he should still walk right then. So how does he know when this is happening? The whole point of deception is that the other party doesn't know what's up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:31 AM
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I get the suspicion that most men go "Awww man, okay, I'll pay because I don't want to look like a jerk". If they've figured out she's just there for free shit and still pay, then yes, guys deserve some of the blame. But that's not how it works most of the time. She's never going to admit to just using you for food, and if you're a witty guy but not sexually attractive she might actually have a fun conversation over dinner. You make plans to have a second date, maybe even have a goodnight kiss, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:32 AM
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Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Is it easier to like and value yourself when you've achieved things, have something to be proud of, and are someone others value? Or is it easier to like and value yourself despite having achieved little, having little to be proud of, and having nothing others value? If you're a Zen master who's perfectly comfortable with himself, sure, you can have fantastic self-esteem even if by all objective measures you don't have a lot going for you. But for the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:26 AM
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As soon as they figure that out, I'm sure most men do. The problem is she's being deceptive, so she's purposefully trying to hide her intentions. She's making it difficult for the guy to figure out. I have a number in my head and I'm not going to tell you what it is. Why are you such a fuckup for not guessing it? Why can't you just get your shit together and read my mind? Of course I'm not going to tell you what the number is, but you should just know, because reasons. And it's your fault you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:21 AM
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If you're valuing the enjoyment you get from your job over opportunities that offer more pay, that's your own decision to make. I've made that same decision before, I understand. But if you're asking why you don't make more money, well, it's because you actively chose to sacrifice more money for higher job satisfaction. There are tradeoffs with any job.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:19 AM
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Ignoring what several British people are telling you (Me, Benzo, Wub) and insisting you know better. Those same British people initially told me that there's no tipping in the UK, and that's blatantly incorrect. Why should I take unreliable sources at face value? And finally, when offered a legitimate 3rd party source Earlier in this thread I provided a 3rd-party source that said exactly what yours did. Your information is not new to me, and it says there is in fact tipping in Britain, so why wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:17 AM
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Because it's immoral theft. That's not a reason why government assistance would be proposed, debated, and voted in if private charities were already picking up all the slack. The only conclusion here, the one you've gone out of your way to avoid, is that quite obviously private charities were not a full solution prior to welfare. If they had been, welfare wouldn't have even been on the agenda. A little bit of hunger is a good motivator Yes, a 6-year-old who goes to bed hungry will be extra motiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:13 AM
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Tipping is not expected in the UK in the way it is in other countries. Their statement is not "tipping is not expected, full stop, and it'd be weird if you tipped someone in a service job." Their statement is "it's not the same as other countries." That article mentions tip jars, tipping at restaurants, and tipping bartenders. No, it's not the same as in the US, but it's certainly not unheard of. I maintain that people from the UK just like to play up the "of course we don't tip, that's a silly …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:11 PM
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You ignored my question. If there was plenty of private charity to go around, and government assistance wasn't needed, then why is government assistance so bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:05 PM
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if you have any further feedback or questions, feel free to send it to us via modmail. It's ridiculous that mods on here routinely hide discussion of their behavior from the whole of the sub. Mod behavior is a public concern. Conversations about mod behavior should be public, not private. If some users don't want to see that discussion, they can simply minimize that part of the thread, like they do 100 other times each day on various parts of reddit. That's what the whole functionality is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:04 PM
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What better way to up your self-esteem than to look better, learn how to stand up to open disrespect, and find other people who value you? "Just start liking himself enough" is exactly what TRP recommends, they just give a step-by-step guide on how to do it instead of using a platitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:56 PM
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When you adjust for cost of living, the UK minimum wage is effectively $7.53/hour. That's higher than $7.25/hour in the US, but I don't see how it's "5 times as much left over."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:51 PM
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When I hear that tipping isn't customary for restaurant servers, but it still happens plenty often, it makes me question your "it's not being cheap at all" conclusion. Take your comparison to tipping a Walmart employee in the US. That's not just rare, that's not just "only when the service is exceptional," that never happens. I've literally never heard a story about someone tipping a Walmart cashier. There's a big difference between "never happens, and it'd be crazy if it did" and "well oftentim…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:48 PM
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$13K/year to spend on clothing, food, getting to work, recreation, etc. is still "scraping by." And that's if you have no kids, can find a reasonably-priced place a reasonable distance from work, have no major unexpected expenses, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:39 PM
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Wait, you just told me women could mooch off society (in the form of private charity) before! If there was plenty of private charity to go around, and government assistance wasn't needed, then why is government assistance so bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:32 PM
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My point is that "manosphere views on loyalty and character" are not informed only by anecdotal stories. You have those stories, you have the fact that women initiate the majority of divorces, you have the fact that family courts provide incentives to divorcing women that are not available for divorcing men, etc., etc., etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:31 PM
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make a document What are you even talking about? You don't have to make anything. You have to copy and past a link.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:26 PM
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Ahh.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:25 PM
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or you did such a poor job of it that you might as well have not skimmed it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:24 PM
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I am at work and don’t have time Bullshit. You've had time to reply immediately to all my comments for the last 15 minutes. Googling doesn't take that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:24 PM
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If you didn't even see the first paragraph in the introduction, you either didn't skim the article, or you did such a poor job of it that you might as well have not skimmed it at all. Try putting some effort into your comments for a change, you might increase your understanding of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:23 PM
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But as Benzo pointed out, Uk workers must be paid the UK min wage by their employer, any tips are on top. The UK system is better, I agree. My points are that: UK servers still depend on tips, in the sense that they're barely skimming by if they don't receive any, same as servers in the US, and Tips are therefore customers subsidizing the restaurant industry. Restaurants in neither country are paying their workers a livable wage; servers who work reasonable hours and can reliably keep their head…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:21 PM
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So you're not even going to try to provide any evidence to back up your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:17 PM
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First, notice how you're completely abandoning your original argument ("only one survey!"), because it's been proven wrong. Second, when you produce a more current survey, I'll give a damn that this one is a whole 7 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:16 PM
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Not even close. The topic of this thread is how hard it is to get a decent-looking girl. You posting a picture of 10 decent-looking girls (most of whom are in relationships, anyway) doesn't add anything of significance to that conversation. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:14 PM
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If a woman is advertising "I'm going to use you to get free food!" on her profile, then yeah, go ahead and blame men for walking into a bad situation all you want. These women don't do that, though. Are you expecting the guy to be a mind reader?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:12 PM
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The lowest rent on this list translates to $726/month, or just under $9000/year. So now you're cut down to $13K/year, and that's before taxes, clothing, food, getting to work, etc., etc., etc. You're certainly not doing much more than scraping by, if you're able to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:01 PM
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It is a well-established fact that most divorces in the US are wanted primarily by the wife. In Goode’s (1956) sample of recently divorced women from the 1940s in Detroit, about two thirds of the recently divorced women described themselves as the initiators of their divorces. More recent US data show a similar pattern, with roughly two thirds of divorces wanted by the wife (Brinig & Allen, 2000; England & Kilbourne, 1990; Pettit & Bloom, 1984; Sayer, England, Allison, & Kangas, 2011; Sweeney, 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:55 PM
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...And the fact that women initiate about two-thirds of divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:55 PM
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You evidently didn't skim the article very carefully, as you missed the first paragraph in the introduction, which mentions a number of other surveys that found similar results. The odds of a methodology shortcoming being a significant factor go down when you get repeatable results. And did you really need to reply to this comment three separate times?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:54 PM
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It is a well-established fact that most divorces in the US are wanted primarily by the wife. In Goode’s (1956) sample of recently divorced women from the 1940s in Detroit, about two thirds of the recently divorced women described themselves as the initiators of their divorces. More recent US data show a similar pattern, with roughly two thirds of divorces wanted by the wife (Brinig & Allen, 2000; England & Kilbourne, 1990; Pettit & Bloom, 1984; Sayer, England, Allison, & Kangas, 2011; Sweeney, 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:53 PM
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Yes, so minimum wage workers in the UK get a little bit more take home pay than minimum wage workers in the US, which makes sense given that (as /u/TheGreasyPole pointed out) the cost of living is higher in the UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:45 PM
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Having worked both minimum wage manual labor jobs and service jobs, I can tell you that many people who are able to work the first job are unsuited for the second. In a restaurant I needed social skills and a level of polish (in speech, dress, and temperament) that I had no need for working in a field. More skilled work is better rewarded. If you can get a service job, and it pays more, why don't you go and do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:42 PM
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If all this private charity was around before welfare, and no starving kid ever went hungry because private citizens were so good at providing for them, how the hell did welfare get passed? How did it even get debated, as there was no problem to solve?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:39 PM
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how tf would you know? Because I know handing out $7 in ones to the crew at a single McDonalds is not going to have any sort of impact on the millions of other low-wage workers in the U.S. What do you mean how do I know? The U.S. handles this whole situation poorly with a stupid loophole about restaurant servers. The loophole isn't that stupid, as restaurants are supposed to cover any discrepancy between the hourly rate and minimum wage. It's still a legal guarantee, even if it relies too much o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:13 AM
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...No? Assuming "character" here means acting in a moral, socially desirable manner, women neither love nor hate this. They're fine sleeping with guys who have character, they're fine with sleeping with scumbags. What really matters is to women is looks/status/wealth. A guy with good character is a plus, but good character is not enough to get a woman interested in a man who's lacking in the looks/status/wealth categories. Loyalty, as in is a dude going to cheat, is a low priority (or even a neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:09 AM
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Do you tip macdonalds servers? Retailers? Should those workers be able to scrape by working a reasonable number of hours each week? Absolutely. Am I able to make a real impact on that problem by walking into the kitchen at a McDonalds and handing out ones? Obviously not. Is the fact that some workers have it worse than servers who receive tips at all germane to this discussion? No, it's a transparent distraction tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:03 AM
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Do I pull over as I drive through Missouri, walk out into a cornfield, and start passing out ones to the workers? Of course not. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:58 AM
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Paving roads is a different conversation from building them. Many rural areas have dirt or gravel roads, and those serve them reasonably well. Somebody still has to pay to clear the path, level the ground, apply whatever sort of rudimentary cover is needed, and then periodically re-level and re-surface the road. If you leave a gravel road for a number of years without maintenance, it becomes impassable. And if we're talking about building rural roads, they're absolutely needed. What if someone h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:57 AM
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That explains why you don't know what you're talking about. In the future, when someone is discussing an issue in a country you don't know anything about, don't participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:48 AM
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Feeding starving children is not going to cause the collapse of society. That's a fucking ridiculous idea.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 10:46 AM
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Everyone should have enough to survive on without working crazy hours every single week. The U.S. is a prosperous enough country for that. for some professions they apparently also need tips to survive If a minimum wage employee worked 40 hours each week, they'd take home just over $15K/year before taxes. That's $290/week (also before taxes). It's really tough to live on that much no matter where you are. You might not need tips to survive, but I'm betting you need overtime, or a second job, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:45 AM
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It's not like the cops ever actually stop any of these crimes. Also bullshit. The rural incarceration rate has risen steadily throughout the 2000s, and is now higher than the incarceration rate of any other area. Do you have any desire to be right? Do you care at all about whether what you're saying matches reality? Because that's twice now that you've spouted off some talking point that very simple googling proves very wrong. Every single thing you pointed out are extremely tiny tiny parts of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:31 AM
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This is why you can't debate "tax is theft" nutjobs. They are willfully ignorant of basic U.S. history and high school-level economics. If rural roads and rural electrification (and a million other successful government projects) would just have been taken care of by the free market anyways, why did all these genius titans of industry never get around to building them? If farm roads in Nebraska and highways in Montana were such profit-making machines, why didn't some enterprising company build t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:22 AM
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In the case of rural roads, they likely just wouldn't get built. No money in it. See the history of rural electrification in the U.S. for a similar example. In other areas, private companies would build toll roads, which involve an especially regressive form of what's essentially a tax (tolls). You still have to pay for roads one way or the other. The question is whether you want roads that run nationwide, funded disproportionately by the wealthy, or whether you want a far more limited array of …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:12 AM
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But you just said American workers are guaranteed minimum wage. That's the same situation British workers are in; the minimum wage is just a little higher. In both situations, service workers depend on tips to bridge the gap between minimum wage and enough to live on. If either group received no tips, they'd be looking for alternate employment, because the minimum wage by itself wouldn't be enough to justify keeping that job. Tips are subsidies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:05 AM
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Outside of ghettos people mostly police themselves Bullshit. "[R]ural areas are more likely [than urban areas] to have problems with burglaries and thefts than with armed robberies and assaults... While urban areas generally have higher crime rates, it is quite notable that rural areas (non-metropolitan) have similarly high rates of violent and property crime." For example, you're more likely to be a victim of aggravated assault in a rural area than you would be in an urban area. You're also mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 10:00 AM
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It does not matter in terms of what your salary is and that is a fact. You're debating the semantics of how "wages" are defined. I'm talking about real, tangible, take home pay. What goes in your bank account. Which matters more to people in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:40 AM
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If you were to get no tips at all or get £500 in tips it would not matter That's a ridiculous statement. It would absolutely matter to a waiter if they made that much in tips or not. They would likely be seeking other employment if they received no tips, ergo tips are subsidizing the restaurant, same as the U.S. The waiters and waitresses get a fair salary regardless. I doubt many waiters and waitresses would agree with you. The fact that your minimum wage is a little higher than ours does not c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:26 AM
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Outside of the city are police even really needed? Is this a serious question? And they are usually funded by local taxes, not the feds which take the most by far Again, you're not talking about "taxes are theft" here. You're talking about which taxes you like better and which you'd rather do away with. How taxes should be structured is a reasonable conversation; "taxes are theft" is not. Companies actually police themselves better then the government does out of fear of getting a bad reputation…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:20 AM
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if tips do not add up to the minimum wage then the restaurant has to make up the difference out of their own pockets. Sure, but then you're cutting the employee's take home from something livable to minimum wage. And you're relying on the restaurant to actually pay them what they're owed, instead of shorting their hours before firing them. In any event, you're directly hurting the people you're saying you want to help and only maybe hurting the restaurant (you are eating there, after all). It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:14 AM
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So a woman can get the shit beaten out of her by her husband, who can be jailed for years for beating the shit out of his wife, and she's still shackled to him for life... all because it's somehow more acceptable in the eyes of god to beat the shit out of your wife than it is to sleep with another woman? Why the hell would I worship such a god?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:08 AM
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If you don't like the state of our roads, that's an understandable position, but again, it's completely separate from "taxes are theft." The fact that government can run better does not mean government is inherently evil. They make enough off tickets I'd wager they don't in most jurisdictions, and in any event, having a police force that needs to fine citizens in order to receive their salaries is an almost comical example of perverse incentives. You get free water and food? Don't be obstinate. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:05 AM
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No, I would not agree that is a good thing, actually. If you don't agree that a domestic abuse victim should be able to divorce their spouse, we're too far apart to find common ground. This goes for almost all of the scenarios that you listed, except for adultery, which is an acceptable reason to divorce according to the Bible. So you can beat your wife all you want, but having consenting sex with another adult is a bridge too far? Radical Christians are the absolute worst evangelists for Christ…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:50 AM
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That's a legitimate concern, but A) there's still a lot that goes to fun stuff like roads, schools, police, military, safe water, safe food, etc., and B) "we should allocate our tax revenue differently" is a far different conversation than "tax is theft."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:39 AM
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It might be that 35% of women in specific, select social circles are decently attractive and single. But that's a preposterous number for the population as a whole, considering that only 30% of American women have a healthy BMI. See my comment here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:38 AM
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If this is true, why is ANYONE having kids on welfare? Because many means many, not all. This is getting tiresome.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 08:35 AM
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I was summarising. Totally OK. Finding common ground is productive. Not enough to account for a seven to one ratio. I don't know if it accounts for the whole discrepancy, but it could be a major factor. Another major factor might be that men tend to show less emotion than women, and thus might be easier to deal with when they have a serious illness. I'm not as confident in this claim, but the overarching idea here is that men and women might not face the same difficulties when their partner gets…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:34 AM
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Divorce is always terrible. First, let's dispense with ridiculous absolutes. Obviously you'd agree that a woman divorcing her physically abusive husband would be a good thing. OK, so what about an emotionally abusive spouse? What about a spouse who molests a child? What about a raging alcoholic? Someone who develops a gambling problem? A serial cheater? Someone who refuses emotional or physical intimacy with their spouse for years on end? Someone who leaves the religion you value so dearly? Clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:29 AM
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My argument exactly. Women have more (and more readily available) emotional support than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:24 AM
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It's a reason but not an excuse. That's what a mitigating factor is. If someone is convicted of theft, they might bring up "I was starving to death, so I stole a loaf of bread" as a mitigating factor at their sentencing. It doesn't excuse the crime, but it mitigates the perceived severity of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:21 AM
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You didn't. You provided a figure for "all drug abuse violations," not "arrests for marijuana possession alone." No one actually interested in a discussion would care so little about the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:18 AM
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At the same time????
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:16 AM
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Taxes are the price we pay for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:15 AM
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TRP doesn't seem to entertain the thought of remaining single. It does, all the time. There's a post on the front page about it right now. From the top comment: The man who is comfortable with himself and confident in his true independence is the one that women will want to be associated with and to share in it. How you handle being alone and what you do with the opportunities that freedom allows is the real measure of a man. If you’re single and 50 you STILL have options if you’re only brave en…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:12 AM
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Not a lot of people are comfortable having a man break down into tears in front of them. Not a lot of men feel comfortable being that open in front of others. People are more willing to be a shoulder to cry on for a woman, and a woman is more likely to feel like she can take them up on the offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:10 AM
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I'll repeat: Humans also had tons of kids they couldn't support prior to welfare. Humans are actually having fewer children (and wanting fewer children) now that welfare is more readily available. Your whole premise is nonsensical. I'm saying that in my example, there's no difference between humans and other animals. For all intents and purposes they're the same thing. Except many humans do put quite a bit of thought into having kids, unlike animals. Rabbits aren't thinking about their jobs, the…
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 08:08 AM
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I'll repeat: When you have more up-to-date figures to replace mine, I'll give a shit about mine "only" being from 2010.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 08:04 AM
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Married couples already get tax breaks, so effectively there's already a bachelor tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:58 AM
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I gave the example of the growing population in Africa, mate. Or are they also animals too? You serious right now? You mentioned starving Africans in the context of animal populations growing to unsustainable levels, and now you're trying to pull the "you're racist!" card? Fuck off, troll.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 07:57 AM
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We're not, because OP's asking about "manosphere views on loyalty and character," which are based on a lot more than one odd example. It's like telling a story about a kid who dropped out of middle school but wound up doing well in college, and asking how that informs college admission policies. Obviously those policies are based on trends, not outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:52 AM
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One important mitigating factor is that men do not generally have the same social support that women do. Leaving a spouse because of an illness is usually not as simple as "this one's broken, have to find another." It's often a combination of losing many of the things that made that partner appealing (their sense of humor, their outlook on life, their ability to provide emotional support, sex, etc.), plus immense emotional strain and financial difficulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:44 AM
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How does this fit into manosphere views on male loyalty and character? This is an anecdote. Looking at the issue more broadly, a number of studies have concluded that women initiate about two thirds of divorces. If we're going to play the "who gives up more often" game, women don't come out looking too good.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 07:42 AM
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No one likes putting down kittens and puppies at the pound Any argument comparing starving human beings to animals at the pound is pants-shittingly retarded. Human beings are not the same as animals. Shooting a deer is not the same as shooting a person. You're wrong from the start. But for the sake of discussion: The only reason that society has no problem with pumping out kids, is welfare. This is so obviously wrong it's painful. People had big families before welfare, and famines (literally pe…
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 07:14 AM
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Haha no... who the hell is downvoting self-depreciating attorney humor? Have an upvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:35 AM
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I think the Prisoners' Dilemma is a more apt comparison. If enough people take the altruistic route, everyone will be better off. But if enough people act selfishly, the altruists get double fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:33 AM
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No. A date by its very definition is universally recognized as a situation where both parties are at least open to considering a sexual/romantic relationship with the other person. If one party is just there for free shit, they're taking advantage. The other party deserves no blame for Party One's antisocial behavior. A comparable scenario would be showing up for an interview with a company and your interviewers don't actually give a damn about considering your application; they're just there to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:31 AM
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I've heard some estate and trust planning guys can get away with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:24 AM
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Only a very small percentage of women work as waitresses that also happen to be unattractive. Ha! if they even notice they're getting less at all Ha!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:23 AM
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Not tipping does not make the restaurant pay them more. If you want the restaurant to pay them more, only patronize restaurants that pay their servers reasonably well and/or vote to change minimum wage laws. Not tipping is just being a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:18 AM
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Military training may well have a unique effect on friendships, but I've seen this same pattern with many non-military friends I've moved away from. This is how you tell the difference between friends and acquaintances. Actual friendships will easily strike back up again after a long period of dormancy. With only an acquaintance, though, you in large part have to start over.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 05:55 AM
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Sometimes she's shit testing you, sometimes she's just being a bitch. The trick is telling the difference between the two, because while the former is an opportunity, the latter is just a waste of time.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 05:49 AM
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To dodge the question for that long is cowardice at best and shady at worst. Except this guy isn't dodging anything. When asked, he answers truthfully; that's the whole reason these women are getting upset. If you're 16 and you assume your parents are going to buy you a car if you help out around the house all summer, and then ask them in late August when you're getting your car, and they ask you what the hell you're talking about, you don't have any reason to feel sorry for yourself. They didn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:47 AM
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yes well there's a test for that lol The point here is that "this advice is imperfect" is not anywhere close to a good enough reason to abandon or even suppress said advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:39 AM
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People like that pair off in college or right after. Nothing wrong with that. My point is that "hot women exist" =/= "it's easy to get hot women." What ultimately matters is the amount of single women who hit the "decently attractive" threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:36 AM
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And if women who wouldn't sleep with him if he were poor suddenly decide they'll sleep with him because he's wealthy, why should they get much sympathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:27 AM
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Because she's smart enough to figure it out on her own? It's super easy to understand that rich people have more disposable income than your average dude, and thus will spend it on nicer things more often. A $50K/year dude with a Porsche has a story behind it: Maybe he is super into cars and works his budget around being able to pay for it, maybe he's irresponsible with money, maybe it was a gift from his more financially established family, etc. He didn't just happen to buy a really nice car be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:22 AM
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...So, most are likely in a relationship already?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:16 AM
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The real problem is a society that makes pumping out and then abandoning kids not a big deal. If a deadbeat dad were as unattractive as, say, an STD, this problem wouldn't exist. Welfare is necessary to keep those kids from starving to death. I'd much rather be a society that looks down hard on dudes for abandoning their kids than one that is OK with kids dying because their parents can't afford food.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 05:12 AM
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Yeah, a much better idea is to say "I'll get the first round." You shouldn't be out more than $20. If it costs more than $20 for two drinks, why the fuck are you going to such a fancy place for a first date? And if you think $20 is too much for a date, go find a way to make more money. From there, if it goes well she can get the second round, and if it goes poorly you can bow out after the first. And it shows that you're normal (he bought me a drink on our first date) without being a beta bucks …
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 12:49 AM
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Gold diggers seek out rich guys. I think there are plenty more women who, if given the opportunity to casually date a wealthy guy, will mysteriously become more interested in a serious relationship than they would be if the guy didn't have money.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:22 AM
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This has to be one of the laziest shitposts I've seen in a while on here. No links, no evidence, just a hyperbolic accusation ("massive fits of rage") and "so you're misogynists, huh?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:19 AM
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She actually has to take a second step, though, and is effectively selecting you from a shortlist of candidates. It's just another filter. I'd say it definitely matters in an environment where many women "play" Tinder and similar apps, just swiping for fun or to discuss profiles with their friends instead of actually intending to go on any dates. She might just be fucking around when she swipes, but if she then takes a second to message you, she probably at least intends to message back and fort…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:17 AM
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Old or ugly guys will have it harder as they are trying to bat out of their league. You're half right. Older guys, maybe late-30s to mid-40s, can still date women in the first half of their 20s, especially if they're either in shape or financially well-off (not even rich). I won't say it happens frequently, but it happens enough that it's far from unheard of. This makes it harder even for younger guys, as they're competing against their age group plus above-average older guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:05 AM
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What fascinates about these types of articles is how bad behavior from women is so ignored in the mainstream vs. how over the top the response is to mansplaining, manspreading, Peter Pan syndrome, etc, etc. It's socially acceptable to criticize men as a whole. It's misogyny to criticize some women, much less women as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 12:00 AM
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Sure, but we're talking about men here. As in "how hard is it [for a man] to get a decent-looking woman?" And the answer is, for most men, pretty damn hard. How hard it is for women to get men is irrelevant to this conversation. "X group has it harder/just as hard" doesn't mean Y group has no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 11:53 PM
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He was asking why he had this problem, I told him. You're also saying these women are making semi-reasonable assumptions, which is a significant stretch at best. That's what I'm taking issue with. you thought you were being clever in only ever implying this in a non-commital way but never saying it is He's not implying anything. He's not dangling any carrots. He's not taking these women ring shopping, or meeting their parents, and then dropping them. He's living the lifestyle a wealthy guy lives…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 11:51 PM
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not every guy who wanders across this advice will have the self awareness and finesse to apply it with the proper nuance You could say the same for Drivers' Ed manuals; not every person who reads one will have the self-awareness and finesse to become a good driver. Should we stop printing Drivers' Ed manuals? Should we ban them? Airing legitimate grievances can sound a lot like nagging if you're pissed at the person doing it 90% of the time it's easy to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 11:14 PM
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They still want the guy to try to pick her up, but at least with Bumble she's showing some interest prior to you putting any real time into the interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:53 PM
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The discussions I've seen on this step make a distinction between real problems and drama. Is she angry because you drove the car into a lightpost while hammered drunk? Yeah, that's a real problem, and you should not just listen, but get your shit together. Is she angry because you asked what she wanted to eat for dinner, she said you pick, you picked pizza, and then she got pissy because you have pizza too much? That's bullshit, childish anger that you don't have time for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:42 PM
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You always have the option to ignore them if you don't think they're arguing in good faith. Say there's a sinkhole in the middle of the road. Sure, I could always just turn around and leave, but why not put up a cone, or a sign, or do something to help out other people from making the mistake I avoided? When you engage anyway, but do so in a way that ignores the actual argument they made, you're the one who isn't arguing in good faith. Calling out trolling isn't an argument, so concepts like goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:23 PM
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I think most women in that little progression (and especially at that that age) are going to assume Operative word. He's not lying to them. He's not promising anything to them. They're believing what they want to believe, and never bothering to ask if he's on the same page. If I had a good relationship with my boss and he made a couple of comments praising my work, I might assume I'm headed for a promotion, but if I ask when I get my raise and he says "dude, you've been here for 3 months, slow d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:17 PM
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Also regarding BMI, the "70% of men are overweight/obese by BMI" statistic is a bit misleading. If a guy played a contact sport in high school and still works out regularly, it's not that hard to be in good shape and register as overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:08 PM
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I know enough doctors that I wouldn't assume that someone is well-off just because "doctor." I can't think of a doctor I know that isn't upper-middle class at worst. "Doctor" is a huge status/wealth signal, even if you keep it vague. And what do you say when she asks what kind of doctor? Or when you want to talk about your day? Or when she asks about it? You don't want to have to pretend you have a secret identity; you want to do what you do and have fun. If Facebook and Google are letting someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 10:05 PM
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these women are running out of time, and he's intentionally wasting it. Bullshit. Absolutely nothing here suggests that he's intentionally screwing these women over. He's not promising them anything. He's not lying to them. They feel angry because they assume he's really into them, instead of acting like an adult, using their words, and having a conversation about it. buying expensive dinner, whisking them off to vacations, probably buying them little trinkets here and there... this is a sociall…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 09:57 PM
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Plenty are "decent looking," though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 09:40 PM
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It shouldn't be that hard to keep it from someone you're only casually dating. "So, what do you do?" Either you lie your ass off right at the beginning, and every other time it comes, up, and don't let them meet any of your friends, and don't let them find you on Facebook, and hope they don't Google you, and...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 09:39 PM
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First most hospitals and free standing outpatient and doctor's offices have gone to electronic medical records And yet the colloquial term "paperwork" remains heavily used. Like many parts of language, it's not strictly literal. Next no surgeon would take his "paperwork" off campus because it contains medical and person information and he would not be allowed to do it because if it got "lost" the repercussions would be huge. Every attorney I know works remotely via a laptop and VPN connection, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 09:35 PM
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I'd hope the guys I date would enter into things with a degree of honesty. This is a nice sentiment that's near meaningless when you hold it up to the scrutiny of how it'd actually play out. Think about how a conversation might go on a first date. Do you expect the guy to tell you if he wants to get married? What he's looking for in his future wife? How many kids he wants? If his assessment of you after 20 minutes squares up with his ideal checklist? If he thinks every single woman he dates need…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 09:24 PM
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There are certain relationship indicators - going on mini vacations and fancy dinners totally are examples of that. These might be "relationship indicators" (interesting concept) if the person is making $50K, but if they're in the seven figure club the math changes a bit. A fancy dinner is a perfect example: It might be something a guy making $50K has to save up for, and can only realistically do once a month. It's a big deal precisely because it's not something he can do every day. A wealthy gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 09:09 PM
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But to be fair to them.... you state that this is "a few months in". At that point they are probably making semi-reasonable assumptions that you're on the hook, and they will feel played and abused when its clear you're not after such a long time and (doubtlessly) emotional/psychological investment on their part. These assumptions are only "semi-reasonable" if one has a decades-outdated view on sex and relationships. It's not as if people can only be single or in a committed relationship, with n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 09:03 PM
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If someone has shown time and time again that they're not taking the conversation seriously, why should I take them seriously now? Why should I assume that this comment is earnest, and not just a set up for more trolling? They've lost the benefit of the doubt. And again, calling out people who historically post garbage doesn't hurt that person at all. It doesn't make their viewpoint any harder to be seen. All they have to do is take 30 seconds and create an alternate account, then write out the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 08:43 PM
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If 1 in 6 men in their mid 20's
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 08:39 PM
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Good information. There are a lot of potential cultural explanations for the uptick in gun violence; I just saw the mention of Columbine as a starting point and wanted to dig a bit deeper on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 08:13 PM
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Think about it: ~70% of American women are overweight or obese (men, too, but that's not who we're talking about). Automatically disqualified from "decent-looking." Of the remaining 30%, subtract anyone over whatever age threshold you might have. If you're a 25-year-old single guy, you're not going to be looking for 50-year-old women. Of what remains, subtract anyone in any sort of serious relationship. Some of them might be options, but realistically most aren't. Now subtract women with mental …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 08:07 PM
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Most of the women in that photo are likely in a relationship already. From the perspective of a single guy looking for an attractive woman, they're not an option. "Hot women exist" =/= "it's easy to get hot women."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 07:58 PM
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That's not how I remember those threads at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 07:56 PM
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For the ones complaining about it, probably. But not for all men. Not complaining about a problem does not mean a problem doesn't exist. Guys who have trouble finding decent-looking women but don't complain might think: No one will give a damn if they say anything, so what's the use? Saying something won't suddenly get them a decent-looking woman, so what's the use? They're dating a woman they're not exactly thrilled with from a looks perspective, but she's not a psycho and they doubt they can d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 07:55 PM
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There's another list in this comment, for the purposes of the discussion. I'm arguing the frequency prior to Columbine wasn't what it is post-columbine nor the severity as a whole. It certainly appears that the frequency has increased, but is it increasing faster than simple population growth? The U.S. population grew by about 45 million from 2000-2018. Is it increasing faster than firearm ownership?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 07:29 PM
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There were also a number of other pre-Columbine mass shootings in the U.S. Sorting that list by "Year" shows 10 before Columbine, and that's only counting incidents with 10+ fatalities. Not all of those were caused by brain tumors. It does seem like the pace of mass shootings has increased in the past 20 years, but how fast is it increasing relative to population growth? Basically, this appears to have a different root cause to the current incel issue. I wasn't making any claims about incels, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 07:25 PM
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this modern era of mass shootings started with Columbine yet the technology has been around for more than 50 years The UT tower shooting happened in 1966, and left 16 dead and 31 wounded. There were 13 killed and 21 injured at Columbine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 06:34 PM
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So when you point out that it's easier for women to get sex than men, you realize that you're not comparing identical things, right? The comparison isn't made to show similarities. The comparison is made to highlight the differences. This is what they're doing: They will explain all the ways that women are different, in great detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 06:18 PM
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A person's post history is highly relevant to whether or not they're here to debate in good faith. And calling out a person who historically hasn't come here for a real discussion doesn't hurt that person in the slightest. Making a new account and posting "serious" comments on that is trivially easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 06:06 PM
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You look at a forum on a given topic, you note that the forum contains posts on only that topic (and in a tone that you personally don't like), and you assume that the people discussing that topic discuss only that topic. Related to this point, many (if not most) TRP users post using alt accounts. 95% of their reddit activity might be on some other sub, but someone who clicks through their alt account post history will usually assume that all they do is post on TRP and related subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 06:01 PM
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So now you are trying to say that being on a dating site is evidence AGAINST the fact that they have satisfactory sex lives? If they had satisfactory sex lives, why would they be looking for more sex? Someone looking for sex doesn't imply that they're getting it. What it does imply is that they don't think they have enough. I cite cdc evidence that boomers had more partners earlier, you say those numbers must be flawed. The CDC itself would tell you about the limitations of self-reported surveys…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 05:35 PM
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Arrests for possession will make up a small number of those figures. Per my earlier figures, at least 720K/year are arrests for marijuana possession alone. Add in possession of other drugs and you're far closer to 1,000,000 than "a small number." You're irrationally committed to being wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 05:07 PM
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Who told him everything was okay? She did: "I hope she’s okay with it. She said she was!" Why do you not know the details of your own story? Adults don’t cause repeated avoidable distress to their partners. Bullshit. A cop or firefighter causes avoidable distress to their partners every time they go to work. But their partner is an adult, who can rationalize that although they'd rather have him in a safer job, the status quo is OK. They tell the guy it's OK, even if it's tough sometimes. Many re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:29 PM
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But they also tend to repel a good deal of people, whereas most of the Chads I've met draw people to them with an easy going fun and happy personality. Both of these guys are Chad. Chad is defined by the ability to get casual sex all the time, not by being attractive to every demographic of women. If a guy's getting laid all the time, he's Chad even if you'd never consider sleeping with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:24 PM
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Almost 30 million drug users in the US, and 1.5 million arrests for all drug crimes which includes dealing and other distribution and production relates crimes. OK, round it down to a 1-in-30 chance that you'll get busted. If you smoke pot once, you're probably fine. But if you do it every day for years? If you become a little more brazen with it, like smoking in a park or at a concert? Getting busted is far from unheard of. It's literally the most common form of arrest in the U.S. More common t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:18 PM
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You're right, someone who repeatedly tries to forego their own enjoyment to make sure their partner gets off is a dickhead, and totally doesn't care!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:42 PM
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Why should she stay in a relationship with someone who wants an open relationship when she wants a closed one? Who's saying she has to? The discussion here is about communication, not about whether open relationships are good or bad. Why is it mandatory that she tell him rather than assessing his level of interest and leaving due to incompatiblilty? Who's claiming it's mandatory? We're talking about when it's reasonable to characterize a breakup as "she left out of nowhere." If she just quietly …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:40 PM
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there is definitely a difference between lighthearted ribbing and douchiness. A lot less of a difference than you'd think. Consider the difference between a terrible standup comic performing the same routine as Dave Chappelle. Delivery is as important as the material itself, if not more so, and priming the audience to like you via physical attraction is a huge effect. We've all seen a friend laugh too hard at the unfunny jokes of someone they're into. When I was in college I absolutely ran into …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:35 PM
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If there's a real danger and the consequence is high, you should be scared. And what's the prize? 15 minutes of unenthusiastic hooker sex? Taking significant risks for mild gratification is a dumb person move. And it's hilarious how one of Blue Pillers' standard arguments is "Why does TRP need to try so hard? It's just sex!", but in this thread there are Blue Pillers saying that sex is this hugely important thing that you should risk imprisonment and blow all your money to get. Which is it, guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:26 PM
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There's also a big difference between what people will say on the internet and what people will do if an option becomes as easy as buying groceries. A theoretical option of "do something illegal or travel to Thailand" is easy to reject; a real option of "go down the street and legally get laid for $100" is a lot more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:20 PM
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Based on how fewer people 50+ are single, how many more millennials are single, it would appear than single people age 50+ may be online dating in even higher percentages than millennials. That's an interesting point, but it assumes only single people are on dating sites, which is untrue. And even if you use the Match number (26%) it's less than the percentage of 50+ people in the population (33%), so they have a non-trivial amount of ground to make up before overtaking younger generations in re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:13 PM
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Could you perhaps provide data that isn't almost a decade out of date? You're allowed to critique my source as out of date when you dig up a more recent one. Bring some sources of your own to the table, or fuck right off with this nonsense. It's less than a million a year. You were just trying to make the case that cops don't really care about possession charges. Now you're trying to handwave away almost a million possession arrests per year for a decade. Can we just agree that you were talking …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 10:13 AM
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So the difference is you like one group (who you don't really know), and dislike another group (who you know even less)?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:58 AM
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Most of them I know are just handsome, outgoing, and charming. Not douchey or polarizing, they're usually quite well liked, although they can definitely rib you pretty good. What you're seeing is the Halo Effect. A good-looking dude who makes a joke at your expense is "ribbing you pretty good;" an average dude who does the same is "polarizing." A good-looking dude who goes out of his way to talk to everyone is "outgoing;" an average dude who does the same is "douchey." The guys you're thinking o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:53 AM
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Just how often do you think LE bothers to arrest johns? In 2010, in the U.S., there were almost twice as many johns arrested for prostitution as there were total arrests for murder. It's far from unheard of. Just like how many people do you think get arrested for marijuana possession? Something like 7.2 million people were arrested for marijuana possession in the U.S between 2001 and 2010. So the answer to your question is "a fuckton." As someone who says they use drugs, you really should be on …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:41 AM
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Christ. Breaking the law just to break the law isn't really cool. You have to be doing something that's cool by itself for the "it's cool because it's illegal" to apply. Nobody thinks you're cool because you water your lawn when there's an ordinance that says you can't. If you're going to break the law to act cool, the more you brag about it, the less cool it becomes. Bragging about breaking the law to act cool on the internet makes whatever you were doing exponentially less cool. Really pulling…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:19 AM
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Now I really don't believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:14 AM
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Man, you must be cool. Can we hang out? As fun as this conversation is, "why don't they just break the law or blow their life savings to get laid?" is too far into stupid territory for me. If you can't understand why people wouldn't want to risk jail or blow a bunch of cash they don't have, you're not really trying to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:05 AM
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You can't be serious right now. In a thread about incels, the thirstiest comment in here is "I'd risk jail to get my dick wet."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 09:02 AM
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All I know is that if I were an incel, I would be doing something about it. I would be risking things to have sex, whether it be illegally in my own country, or saving up money to go somewhere it is legal. "If I were poor, I'd do whatever it takes to become rich! I'd save every penny I had and work 100 hours each week!" -Rich guy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:54 AM
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rudeness You have to be trolling right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:46 AM
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Communication as in being unambiguous and clear of your wants and needs. Then this is a circular discussion. You're saying that being unambiguous and clear is good because you're defining good communication as unambiguous and clear. My point is that, setting ethical concerns aside, women's communication styles are just as effective as men's in the right circumstances. It's more a question of which communication style is best suited for which problem than of one style being objectively superior t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:27 AM
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There are so many avenues to do something about it - see a sex worker in your country or visit a country where it’s legal seem like a small price to pay to have sex. This is remarkably out of touch. Risking jail time is "a small price to pay?" Putting together the money and time off to visit another country is "a small price to pay?" The average American has less than $1000 in their savings account. Some dude working at a low-rent IT job in Moline sure as hell can't afford to travel abroad, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:24 AM
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Guys probably assume what made her break up was just the most recent argument they had about where to get take out from, but really it's been snowballing for months This happens sometimes, but assuming that it happens in every light switch scenario is just another version of the Just World Fallacy. It's really tempting to imagine that people don't lose interest that quick; that there had to be something else at play under the surface. I think in a lot of scenarios the attraction does just disapp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:17 AM
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Why would women date men and then expect them to communicate like women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:13 AM
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It's an issue of compliance vs. commitment. Compliance is just doing the thing. You want the dishes done? Compliance is getting the other person to do them. Commitment is getting the other person to do the dishes because they want the dishes done, too. They're not just scrubbing plates to make you happy; they're scrubbing plates because they want what you want, which is clean plates and a tidy sink. If you just need compliance, communication is a great solution. If you want commitment, though (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:08 AM
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Half of that is him being a dumbass, half is women as a whole being so misleading that guys can't trust what they say. For example, a woman might say "you don't need to take me out to fancy dinners." She actually wants to be taken out to fancy dinners, she just wants it to feel spontaneous, and to not have the guy think of it as an obligation. It is an obligation, in the sense that if he never does it she'll complain and/or move on, but she can't present it as such for obvious reasons. It's the …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:01 AM
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Effective at what? Women's communication styles are fantastic for maintaining plausible deniability, shifting blame, and influencing emotions. Those are extraordinarily useful tools in certain situations. Similarly, men's communication styles are horrible if you need to deal with an emotional person or if you want to be able to cover your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:55 AM
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She told him it hurt and that she was terrified of it. Did you hear that from him, or from her? Because from your story, it sounds like he told you that: She said she was OK with it She never said he needs to stop She appeared upset when he goes out At very least, that's mixed messages. A more reasonable interpretation is that she doesn't want to do it, but believes she should, anyway, which happens all the time in all sorts of situations. Think of teenagers not wanting to clean their rooms but …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:50 AM
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So much of TRP is arguing that these human weaknesses that everyone acknowledges in men are present in women, too. The only real avenues for debate are: To what extent society tells men that Women Are Wonderful, and How vulnerable which women are to human weaknesses. The rest is just people trying to score cheap rhetorical points with their own side.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:44 AM
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The only thing stopping incels from seeing sex workers now is not the illegality of it, but their utter lack of balls. You're wildly underestimating how bad the combination of illegal + socially stigmatized can be. Imagine sitting in an interview and having to explain why your background check will show that you got busted for soliciting a prostitute. There's a long list of illegal activities most guys would rather explain (marijuana possession, underage drinking, public intoxication, even certa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:36 AM
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It doesn’t address their underlying issues. It won't help the guys who from the very beginning are so far inside their own head that they're hopeless, but I bet that type of guy is pretty rare. I think there's a second type of incel ("Incel Lite") who's just some physically unremarkable dude with poor social skills, and if he doesn't put in a significant amount of effort (because of school, or work, or family issues) he might make it into his early- or mid-20s without getting laid. Maybe when he…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:31 AM
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And why do you insist, no matter how many studies and surveys you read, no matter how much anecdotal evidence you hear You've provided two surveys, neither of which conclusively point to seniors having an abundance of sex. Don't pretend like you have a mountain of evidence when you're looking at two fireflies and imagining that they're both moving in the direction you want. Show me some evidence, outside your theory that you are right then. For starters, your claim that "older people are on dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:23 AM
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And 0% of this is forced on men. We're talking about whether "massive amounts of wealth [go] from men to women," now you've acknowledged that this is true and are shifting the goalposts to the why. Unless you can show me where in the marriage license, tax code or anywhere else the government or anyone else requires men to give up control over household purchasing decisions. It's comically dishonest to pretend that social pressure doesn't exist, and isn't significant. Take a business class while …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 07:02 AM
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Sure they can. They can't get a male model as a boyfriend, but your average woman absolutely can land a boyfriend if they put in any effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 06:56 AM
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Pawpaw mighta Christ, this is grating. 85 percent of male senior citizens report having satisfactory sex lives Satisfaction with one's sex life is a function of at least two variables: How much sex is had, and how much sex is desired. Testosterone levels fall as men age, and testosterone levels help set men's sex drives. What's likely happening is that senior men are lowering their expectations about the quantity of sex they desire, and thus report greater satisfaction. If all you want is sex on…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 09:22 AM
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If you are a provider, do it because the act itself generates value to you. So pay for a woman's lifestyle just for the hell of it, with no expectation of anything in return? You're really selling me on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 09:02 AM
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You’re assuming that the women in the study had their affairs while they were in a directors position, not before. The article doesn't state definitively either way, but it does say that "34% of executive women claim they know (present tense) a female colleague (often implies 'peer') who has had an affair with a boss." The tense and phrasing suggests that it's asking women about affairs at the director-plus level, not at any point in their careers. There’s no need to misrepresent the study. "Mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 08:59 AM
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When I meet a woman in real life and she's receptive and friendly I involuntarily revert to a Blue Pill guy almost instantly. It's just like having a meeting with a chatty, affable business partner. Laugh it up, have a good time, but remember that you need to get some movement on your project, too, and learn how to navigate the conversation in that direction. Alternately, compare it to a conversation with a friend where you need to ask him to watch your dog for the weekend. The interaction isn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 08:47 AM
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Why deny that nature if it brings you a better quality of life? Paying for a woman's affection (because that's what you're doing if your role is "provider") is a better quality of life?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 08:41 AM
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Women control the majority of consumer spending: 90% of women "control the family's purse strings" 85% of all consumer purchases in the U.S. are made by women 75% of women identify as the primary household shopper Yet men earn the majority of the money: "In every age bracket, American women earn a median income far below that of the country as a whole." How do you explain this, if not through some mass transfer of money from men to women? Where are women getting the cash to make 85% of all consu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 08:34 AM
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You might lean right, but you don't come across as the nutty brand of right-winger that's still frothing at the mouth over Hillary's emails.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 08:20 AM
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You cannot take information about a small specific sample group and extrapolate it out to cover all women without some sort of supporting evidence. If anything, women at the director-plus level would have the most protection from their superiors' unwanted advances, and would have the least reasons to sleep with a superior for preferential treatment: If you're a director or above and you make a call to HR, they listen. You're an employee of actual value; the type that companies try to poach from …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 08:17 AM
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If it was actually spam, it would be removed. That doesn't address my question. My question is that if I make a frivolous report, would you respond to it so publicly, in the form of a sticky at the top of the post? The answer is clearly no, so why are you responding to a frivolous report so publicly here? If you have further questions, send them to the modmail. How the mod team inserts themselves in this sub's discussions is certainly a public concern. There's no reason discussion about that top…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 08:05 AM
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It's also very different from being a number pulled out of someone's ass. In fact, it's possible that the pool of women they studied is less likely to sleep with their boss than all women; that is, the percentage of all women who sleep with their bosses could easily be greater than 15%. Who's more likely to put out for a promotion: A director-plus level woman, who (by virtue of having that position) likely has an established career and solid credentials, and (by virtue of the years it takes to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 08:00 AM
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I wonder what the error factor is in a study that: Asks middle-aged people (from a generation that's become synonymous with free love) about wild stories from their youth, and Asks younger people (from a generation raised to believe sex isn't that big of a deal, and that it's not all that cool to brag about it) to essentially brag about their sex life. Not only are you dealing with the often-massive error factor inherent in self-reported surveys, but you're adding in recollections from decades a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 07:54 AM
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esp when these things aren't core tenets of the red pill It's funny how when Blue Pillers don't have a rational argument against something, it becomes "common knowledge" or "not really TRP." I suppose it's progress, even if there's a stubborn intellectual dishonesty behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 07:49 AM
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It's never the smart ones who resort to yelling "why don't you go read a book."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 07:47 AM
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Right-wingers can't let the Hillary boogeyman go. It's just too good of red meat for the base.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 06:10 AM
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That argument doesn't work particularly well when you're starting with an article in a notable publication that gets its numbers from an actual study. It's not just someone shooting the breeze and saying "eh, I'd bet about 15% of women sleep with their boss."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 06:12 PM
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Had a bunch of appearances cancelled. Had a self-funded movie delayed indefinitely. When's the next Louis CK stand up show you can go to?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 06:10 PM
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Someone reported it, so it was addressed. Shouldn't you only be addressing reports that make sense...? If someone writes a detailed, well-sourced comment and I report it for spam, I doubt I'm going to see a sticked comment under it asking the poster to not spam anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 06:07 PM
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Wahlberg's been in: Boogie Nights The Departed The Other Guys Planet of the Apes A number of Transformers movies Ted The Happening The Italian Job I'm not a huge fan or anything; that's just a couple of major movies I can name off the top of my head. They're not all Oscar-worthy, but they all were pretty good hits, or had another big actor in them, or had a big director attached, or were a highly-recognizable brand, etc., and he had a major part in all of those films. The guy has a significant t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 06:04 PM
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Seriously. If you ask 100 random people to describe both Wahlberg and Williams, far more are going to know who Wahlberg is, be able to name a few of his movies, have a positive impression of his work, etc. They're far from equivalent in the minds of moviegoers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 05:54 PM
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You are making the assumption that those women would still be capable of getting those roles if none of the sexual shit happened. An assumption that's especially questionable when discussing the entertainment industry, where there's an incredibly deep pool of roughly equivalent talent. The difference between your typical Broadway musical actor and your typical Hollywood actor is A) millions and millions of dollars and B) connections/nepotism/luck. It's not like these guys are bricklayers, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 05:52 PM
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I've yet to see a good response to these sorts of points. No one from the Blue Pill side can argue with this, so they'll instead harp on more questionable Red Pill claims like "it's easier to get government assistance if you're a woman." This is just Blue Pill circlejerking, because they're not really convincing anyone who doesn't already agree with them. If you want to convince people who don't agree with you, you have to address the strongest points in the other side's argument, not the weakes…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 05:47 PM
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the explosion of drinking culture, flappers, the emancipation of women in a million ways etc. this was the real start of the "sexual revolution" A lot of this is historically questionable (if not flat-out wrong), especially the "explosion of drinking culture" bit. Drinking culture had been around for at least a generation at that point. The earliest cocktails date from the 1880s (or earlier). The precursor to Anheuser-Busch was founded in 1852. The Jack Daniels distillery started in 1875. You do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 05:42 PM
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Dazed and Confused is based on Austin, which had a population of ~250,000 in 1970 (and I believe the film is set closer to '75 or '77). The movie is about growing up in a small city that's still large enough to have a bit of anonymity when you do dumb stuff. "Nowheresville" is a town of 500, with a 50-person high school graduating class.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 05:18 PM
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Then for bragging rights she only needs him to pursue her. How would going and having sex with him augment the brag at all. It's a little silly (although no more so than bragging about recruiters contacting you with job offers, I supposed), but women do it anyway. The subtext is "I'm so attractive, look at all the good men throwing themselves at me."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 04:59 PM
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Why are you talking about old married women’s sex drive You realize most people get married in their 20s, right? It’s like you know they’re different yet you’re insisting on equating them, why? It's like your picking the stupidest, most uncharitable interpretation of my comments and attacking that straw man, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 04:56 PM
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It's not "as casual as it gets." And whether it's casual at all is debatable, and is largely dependent on the specific arrangement: If you're not going out on dates, but have discussed being sexually exclusive (because you don't want to use condoms, and don't want to sleep with a partner who's sleeping around if you're not using condoms), is it still casual sex? If you are going out on occasional dates but haven't discussed exclusivity, and have both explicitly stated that you're not interested …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 04:54 PM
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More like: A bunch of men report partners with low sex drives A few men report partners with high sex drives Strangely, that second group almost always pops up when someone floats the ever-so-slightly disparaging idea that women generally have low sex drives. There's always one guy who flies in and defends them. The first group, on the other hand, occasionally pops up on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 04:47 PM
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I've had booty calls where there were discussions about exclusivity. Not from an emotional standpoint, but from a "if we're not using condoms, neither of us can be sleeping around" standpoint. If you're in an exclusive sexual relationship with someone, and you sleep with them a bunch of times over, say, 3-6 months, that's straining the definition of casual sex. Even if you don't go on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 04:43 PM
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...What? Re-read your last comment. You're claiming a FWB relationship is "as casual as it gets," I'm pointing out how dumb that is. Your response doesn't really follow that exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 08:41 AM
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I’ve been with a lot of women /r/thathappened What are you basing this on? Old married moms? Tons of men report that their partners have painfully low sex drives. There's a longstanding cultural meme about how sex slows to a trickle after marriage. Do you not look outside your own experiences at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 08:39 AM
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What about that statement implies anything about ego?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 08:35 AM
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casual sex is not synonymous with one night stands. There's a spectrum. On one end is "I just met this person an hour ago and have no plans to see them again" sex, and on the other end is "I'm in a serious, long-term relationship" sex. Where you draw the line as to what counts as "casual sex" and what doesn't is highly debatable. ONSs are obviously casual sex, FWBs might not be, depending on the relationship. Hence "casual sex is largely synonymous with ONSs." mulitple people here have pointed o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 08:34 AM
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Then your experience is comically narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:35 PM
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That's very obviously incorrect. Having sex with a guy you just met an hour earlier at a party is far more casual. Hooking up with someone new front Tinder is far more casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:35 PM
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Eh, someone who you sleep with over an over and over again for months or years on end doesn't necessarily fall into the definition for casual sex. It's basically a relationship without dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:33 PM
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to feed my ego and brag to my friends You said this, not me. And you're talking about projection? Women absolutely have egos, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:32 PM
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The discussion here is about why women have casual sex. Casual sex is largely synonymous with ONSs. The argument above is that "women have casual sex to fulfill their sex drive." I'm pointing out how that doesn't make sense, because there are other (safer/more enjoyable/less socially damaging) ways to fulfill their sex drives if that's all they wanted to do. So clearly some other motivation is at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:29 PM
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So get a FWB. Still no need for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:26 PM
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Most women don't have that high of sex drives. And if they do have a sex drive high enough that they want to get laid a lot more often, they can just have a few more regular FWBs. However you slice it, women can satisfy their sex drive without needing to resort to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:20 PM
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OK, so just have a regular booty call. A guy she sleeps with once every week or two but doesn't date. Entirely feasible, and far better in terms of safety/enjoyment/social stigma than a ton of random partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 08:00 AM
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Obviously not. "Any man she wants" is a ridiculous standard. But unless she's hideous, she can get someone. If she's not noticeably overweight she probably can even get someone relatively good looking. In either case, if she just wants sex she doesn't have to have casual sex to get it, and, in fact, casual sex is the worst way for her to simply scratch that itch. This discussion of her attractiveness relative to her partner's brings to mind another important point: Many women have casual sex bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:57 AM
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Why would you bother with anyone less than a 7? And if you slept with anyone less than a 7, why would you tell anyone about it? hot 21 year olds A 7 is more "attractive" than "hot." A 7 isn't a model, she's just firmly better looking than some random woman picked out of a crowd. Women like that aren't hard to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:48 AM
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Great contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:37 AM
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Casual sex is not a requirement to fulfill one's sex drive. If a woman simply wants to have sex every now and then, she can just get a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:31 AM
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Injects a strong political opinion into a discussion that's not inherently political Bitches when people don't like opinions being forced onto them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:26 AM
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Because we talk about this stuff, and it becomes a PITA to type out the full explanation every damn time. Careful readers will note that every school of thought does exactly this. TRP doesn't have weird terminology. People who discuss the same ideas over and over again for years develop weird terminology.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 07:17 AM
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That's nothing but an edgy "the villain is really the hero!" take. It's not a vague or abstract song; it's as plain and direct as poetry can be. The first few verses are clearly about the dad being too busy for the kid, and the last is about the kid growing up and being too busy for the dad. If you read the wiki page it was directly inspired by an awkward father-son relationship due to overwork. Obviously, even way back in the 70s, men were criticized for not seeing their kids enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 07:43 PM
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A lot of women like to joke around... Just like you'd do with a male friend. This is what shit testing is. It's not calling out someone for being fake, it's not being a bitch. It's making a little joke at someone else's expense to see if that person can take a joke like a normal human being. If they can take a joke, they're good people and you can get to know them better. If they can't, they're a dick, and you shouldn't waste your time. If they stumble through the interaction, they're awkward an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 09:12 AM
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'Rough sex' is just their usual sex with more vigor This is still sounding like more effort than merely re-orienting bodies, or having sex in the living room instead of the bedroom. In any event, you can definitely say the difference in effort is trivial. People are choosing rough sex because they like it, not because it's notably easier than any other option.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 08:04 AM
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But there is another “side effect” of bariatric surgery, one that may seem to be an odd result from the procedure. Throughout the years, I have noticed that my patients who undergo successful bariatric surgery seem to get divorced at a higher-than-average rate. It would have to be pretty high to be noticeable, given that the US divorce rate is about 50%. In fact, review of the literature reveals that the rate of divorce after bariatric surgery may be as high as 75-85% in the first two years afte…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 08:02 AM
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I mean yeah, all that is more effort than using a free hand to spank a booty during doggystyle. See, switching positions was so easy you didn't even think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 07:51 AM
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Very few people will consider such a man a "bad father" if he is still married to the mother and contributes financially. "Cat's in the Cradle" (spelled "Cats in the Cradle" in Ugly Kid Joe's version) is a 1974 folk rock song by Harry Chapin from the album Verities & Balderdash. The single topped the Billboard Hot 100 in December 1974.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 07:44 AM
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Bullshit. Different positions? Different locations? More spontaneity? Zero effort beyond missionary position sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 07:41 AM
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I've only met two women in a non-digital context in the last year or so. Go talk to 50 non-addicts and see how it turns out. If you've tried everything else, why not that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 07:40 AM
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No need to act on imaginary shit tests or focus on controlling the frame. This stuff is the nuts and bolts of "learn to recognize interest" and "how to act on it." Shit tests are a perfect example. Overtly, a shit test is a slightly negative comment. A guy might be thinking she's into him, get a shit test, and then get confused. Wait, if she's into me, why was she just giving me shit there? Maybe she's not into me after all. And if he flubs through it, he looks less socially competent and she do…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 06:04 AM
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I've had a number of women tell me that they were raped by a former partner. None reported it to the police, even though none sounded like any sort of case where the police would have a vested interest in dismissing her story.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 05:27 AM
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There's hardly any advice left for me to try. Did you try any of the advice related to, you know, actually talking to women? You go down this long list of things without even a passing mention of game.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 05:25 AM
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all I know is that when I was 12 and learning to touch myself, I wasn't fantasizing about being raped, spanked or even having my hair pulled Why would you expect your sexual desires as an adult to be the same as your sexual desires as a 12-year-old? That's like expecting as an adult to like only the food you liked at 12.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 05:15 AM
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Rough sex is like the first step up from simple vanilla sex. There are no "levels" to sex. It's not a video game. Missionary isn't Level 1, and there's not some boss you beat to unlock the doggystyle level. It's not surprising that so many people enjoy it because it's likely the first thing anyone thinks of when they want to spice it up in the bedroom. There are a dozen equally simple ways to spice it up that don't involve rough sex. Different positions, more spontaneity, different locations, pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 05:07 AM
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Maybe a billionaire wouldn't, but a millionaire athlete sure would: While training as a waitress at Hooters in Cleveland, she met baseball player Jose Canseco. They married on August 27, 1996 and divorced in 1999. They have a daughter, Josie Canseco. Canseco's autobiography: Juicy: Confessions of a Former Baseball Wife was published the same year as Jose Canseco's memoir Juiced. Parts of her book were excerpted in a September 2005 cover story for Playboy. She appeared on Good Morning America and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 05:00 AM
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Some "downloading" is clearly required, because you don't have infinite time to implement a "trial-and-error" methodology, so "trial-and-error" will never work on its own except in the most limited way. The premise of your post is questionable at best. Trial and error works in many, many other areas of life, but for some reason it can't work here? If you approach 20 women each week (10 each on Friday and Saturday nights, or a few here and a few there) you'll have approached 1000+ in a year. You'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 04:57 AM
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plebbit You know what website you're on, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 04:42 AM
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A 9 wouldn’t date an ugly-ass old man billionaire. She would be making millions of dollars in NYC, Paris, Milan, Moscow, etc at fashion festivals You vastly underestimate how many 9s and 10s there are, and vastly overestimate how many glamorous modeling careers there are. There are about 150 million women in the U.S. If 90% of those aren't model age, and 1% of the remaining women are 9s or 10s, that leaves 150,000 model-age 9s and 10s. There aren't 150,000 women working in high fashion or a comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 04:40 AM
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If a woman likes you, she likes you, and she'll make the conversation easy for you. But she's almost never going to initiate anything beyond conversation, and that's where most guys struggle. When I was younger I'd talk to women for weeks or even months, finally hook up with them, and then eventually get some version of "finally you made a move." More recently I've had women tell me that one of the things they liked about me when we first started seeing each other is that I made a move. I've als…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 04:30 AM
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I mean, considering you've said that sleeping with multiple women = harem, then why can't you define this as a harem?? Because that's not how the manosphere defines harem. If you can't even address the idea another group has, you have no argument. You're just trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 04:22 AM
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Why do you phrase it like it is some inconceivable notion that it might be viewed of as shitty to purposely show a person you have other people you are pursuing? Because it is an inconceivable notion in every other setting - see my examples about restaurants and friends. Only here, where it's acceptable to oppose every single red pill idea regardless of how middle of the fairway it is, is stating an obvious fact characterized as some horrible form of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 04:17 AM
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And the way that RP supposedly defines a harem, is not the same way that BP does. BP has no definition for "harem" outside of a response to the red pill definition of the word, so it's moronic to use anything other than the TRP definition here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 04:12 AM
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He should stick to his guns, keep searching and find the few that he personally deems reasonable. This is a nice sentiment, but the larger point is that he's put in a bad spot because other people are acting like idiots. And those people are putting themselves in a bad spot, too, because they're not going to get what they're holding out for. If only they wouldn't act like idiots, they and everyone else would be better off. There is no rule out there that states dating is suppose to be easy. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 10:57 AM
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And even if ignoring one entitled person isn't a big hassle, the culture of asking for the moon means you have to sift through tons of entitled women just to get to one who's reasonable. And if the reasonable ones are too hard to find, you're stuck trying to work with women who have enormously inflated ideas of their own self-worth. Read the whole comment before responding.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 10:41 AM
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every PUA had different methods I think these are analogous to how different bartenders make a margarita. Some are going to use kosher salt on the rim, some are going to use a flavored salt. Some are going to use triple sec, some are going to use cointreau. Some might use a spicier tequila, or sweeter tequila, or nicer tequila, etc., but at the end of the day it's just variations on a theme. It's the same basic concepts with individualized twists. It's different, but not fundamentally so. Step-b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 10:40 AM
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And what is this huge difference? Having wildly unrealistic preferences is entitlement, which is annoying. It wastes both of your time by being so far from anything that's actually going to happen. And even if ignoring one entitled person isn't a big hassle, the culture of asking for the moon means you have to sift through tons of entitled women just to get to one who's reasonable. And if the reasonable ones are too hard to find, you're stuck trying to work with women who have enormously inflate…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 09:52 AM
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Hence why I like women who are upfront like the Tinder girl. As I pointed out above, there's a huge difference between being upfront about a reasonable preference and being upfront about a wildly unrealistic preference. No one is criticizing the Tinder girl because she dares have rational, achievable preferences. They're criticizing her because she presents herself as uneducated and antagonistic ("sperm donner") and transparently wants a guy with money. They're criticizing where she sets her sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 09:32 AM
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literally hundreds of pages in pua books Most of that page count is different authors describing the same ideas. If I buy three similar medical textbooks that are each 500 pages, it's disingenuous to claim it takes 1500 pages to describe their content. Three separate authors did it in 500 pages; I'm just looking at three books. Your description also leaves far more ambiguity than more lengthy ones, as u/Kralee points out. You're not describing the same material more concisely - you're cutting co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 09:22 AM
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It is a waste of time if you only look at the interaction between you and the dealership, but overall it's worth it for the dealership to be open because other customers come in being able to pay for the Ferrari. Sure, but the metaphorical dealership is always open in the SMP. There are always high-value men to pursue. It's still eyeroll-inducing for guys to see women post wildly unrealistic expectations, just as it's eyeroll-inducing when a customer with little money and poor credit tells a car…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 09:07 AM
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It's like wanting anything nice (a good job, a great body, nice car) without being willing to put in the work necessary to get it. It's entitlement, and that's how it comes across.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 08:53 AM
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I don't understand why women can't just be reasonable. OP talks about "owning one's preferences." There's a big difference between being upfront about a reasonable preference and being upfront about a wildly unrealistic wish list. Say I have little money and poor credit. If I walk into a car dealership with a clear but obtainable idea of what I want, that saves everyone time and effort. If I walk into a car dealership and tell them I want a Ferrari, I'm just wasting their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 08:51 AM
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Post some evidence. Your last comment on TRP was about a month ago, and then it looks like there was a gap in your post/comment history from then to few days ago. Your last couple of TRP comments don't appear to be anything objectionable, don't appear to be deleted, aren't downvoted, don't have a mod comment responding to them, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 08:43 AM
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not really RP also not really RP Those things are absolutely, unquestionably a part of TRP. They are not unique to TRP and nowhere else, but A) that's not a prerequisite for including something under the TRP umbrella and B) no one on TRP is claiming that, anyway. All that's required to include an idea under the TRP banner is for TRP to strongly emphasize it. Say you put together a diet and exercise plan that includes running two miles each day. Running two miles each day is absolutely, unquestio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 08:35 AM
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Your complaint is that PUA goes into too much depth... and then proceed to write out a 14+ bullet point comment (that requires scrolling down to read) as your explanation. See the problem here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 05:46 AM
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Pretty much everything Lazy answer. Lots of TRP is just wrong You complain about TRP talking about objective perception and then proceed to claim that TRP is "just wrong?" Seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 05:41 AM
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But the use of harem sooo loosely that nearly every semi attractive man can get/has had one When semi-attractive guys are single, they're not sleeping with multiple women at the same time. They might have an ONS here or there, or might have one woman they sleep with occasionally but aren't dating, but they sure as hell don't have three women they can call up on Friday or Saturday night and reliably wind up getting laid. Having that takes far more than just showing up and being semi-attractive. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 05:37 AM
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What "wrong instructions" does TRP include? You may personally find sexism morally objectionable, but nothing about sexism inherently makes it harder to sleep with women (and plenty of guys will tell you sexism makes it easier). A more appropriate analogy would be a useful textbook that also includes some political views you personally disagree with. These views don't interfere with you practicing medicine, and they may even help you advance your medical career. You can take it or leave it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:11 PM
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Read the second half of the book. Did you? It ends with him finding a good relationship with a woman he finds highly desirable. His show ran 2 seasons back in 08. I don't believe he is currently a big part of his PUA training business. Tons of people sell off businesses when they have enough money and don't want to work anymore. Sounds like long-term success to me. Besides the roots of coming from PUA, TRP has very little to do with PUA tactics You brought it up, and now you're telling me it doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:07 PM
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my father used manipulation and emotional abuse Active dread is a husband stating that if his wife doesn't want to sleep with him, he'll find someone else who does. This is clear communication about basic wants and needs. Comparing it to manipulation or abuse is ridiculous. It's almost like you didn't read my post about not being 20 something nor single. Yet you couldn't think of a single reason why someone would want to stay in a relationship if things got bad. You can say whatever you want abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:03 PM
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Using it the way you're proposing is just disingenuous. I'm using the term the way it's used in the manosphere. You're trying to tell me that it actually means something different, when no one in the manosphere cares about the caveats you're attaching. Who's disingenuous here? If they didn't care about these details that literally define a harem, they'd probably just call it something more appropriate Again: All you're doing is complaining that you don't like the term. Who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:55 PM
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Read the Game You mean the book that describes how a guy who couldn't get laid learns to get laid all the time, and eventually finds a good relationship with a woman he finds highly desirable? Nothing about that book suggests PUA doesn't work long-term. It mentions several PUAs who are happy long-term. look up what Mystery is doing now The guy who parlayed sleeping with women into a successful business and a TV show? The horror! Look at the TRP reddit. The sub where you can't throw a rock withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:51 PM
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In the end, the defining characteristics of a movement/idea is what sets is apart from other ideas. OK, what sets a quality medical textbook apart from other ideas? There's usually no idea in that book that's completely unique. What's important is clear, detailed (but manageable) presentation that strips away anything confusing or unnecessary. For TRP that means the sexist and bad ideas is what defines it. If you write off any organization based on its worst parts, you're not going to have a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:45 PM
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You just linked to in-depth, step-by-step descriptions of stuff like IOIs and kino escalation. Your first link literally mentions both. Read about IOIs Read about kino escalation So you're telling guys to read about these topics, and then bitching about people who write in-depth explanations of them? If you have a concise, clear definition of those terms that complete novices will immediately understand, let's hear it. I'm sure the "Please, explain in detail what it means to 'Be confident'" crow…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:41 PM
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It is, in the case of active dread. No one on TRP recommends using active dread just for fun, or right off the bat. It's intended for use after everything else has failed. It's the last option before divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:32 PM
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who are aware of the arrangement are exclusive to him Who cares about these caveats? Certainly not the manosphere, and that's the context of the term "harem" here. The goal is multiple sexual partners without full-time commitment. The rest is relevant only in how it affects that overall goal. No one cares if each woman fully understands what's going on. No one cares if each woman is fully, religiously exclusive to the man. Guys might have personal preferences in those areas, but that's like pref…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:26 PM
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I mean why would you even want to stay in a relationship that bad? Kids and money. Your choice is between: Breaking up your marriage, very possibly only seeing your kids a couple of days a week, forcing on them all the difficulties that come with divorce, losing tons of money, dividing up or losing huge assets (your house, your retirement), and possibly having to make monthly payments to your ex for years. Or, Keeping your marriage, kids, and finances together, and possibly improving your marria…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:21 PM
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PUA game and techniques has been shown to not work in the long time. Let's see your evidence for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:11 PM
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It's mostly a scam. Proceeds to list core elements of PUA, plus an author almost every PUA will recommend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:09 PM
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And if you get good, but not "I'm in a band good enough to actually tour" good, you're not getting laid from it, and you're not making money from it. By all means play guitar if you actually want to do it, but if you're looking at which hobbies have the best overall ROI like OP, guitar is a bad choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:06 PM
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If I go about my day not cheating on my gf and not murdering people, does that mean I'm practicing christianity? You may not consider yourself a christian, but anyone familiar with christian doctrine would agree that in those parts of your life you're acting christian. It's like not ever eating meat by happenstance, and then insisting that you're not a vegetarian. Sure, you might not personally label yourself one, but you're living just like one. What's the point here, anyway? No one on TRP clai…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 08:02 PM
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for the guys i was having casual sex with, they definitely had their rotation of girls and vice versa. Again, this is female solipsism. You see women and men who are attractive to sleep with tons of women, and assume their experiences are universal. You openly don't care about (the vast majority of) other men. obviously i'm not talking about incels, betas, or unattractive guys... were obviously talking about the cute ones I don't care if you lie to me, but at least be honest with yourself. You s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 07:57 PM
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Serious question: Have you read any TRP materials on dread game, or are you just going off the impressions of the terms you've gleaned from here? I'm asking because you have this idea that one day, in a perfectly happy relationship, a husband is just going to start being a massive ass to his wife out of nowhere. That's not what active dread is, and not when TRP recommends using it. TRP recommends using it as a last-ditch effort, after everything else (including passive dread, which is just getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 07:49 PM
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all you did was to make it worse So your argument is that possible complications later on (which are themselves not impossible to overcome) is worse than bleeding out right now? If you had the choice between bleeding out in the next 15 minutes and using a rusty stapler to stabilize a wound, you'd choose the later option 10/10 times. You'd be insane not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 07:42 PM
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that's like saying "Don't murder your neighbour" is a Christian idea. So your argument is that the 10 Commandments don't qualify as "Christian ideas," just because they also appear outside of Christian canon? Makes perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 07:38 PM
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Insisting that "harem" isn't an appropriately apt term is as pointless as taking issue with the term "dread game." What, are you expecting opium dens and slave girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 07:26 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 07:22 PM
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It's also extremely common around any young/attractive/rich celebrity. Professional athletes are notorious for having different women in different cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 07:17 PM
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I think you replied to the wrong comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 12:10 PM
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i guess pretty much every other college dude has a harem then lol What a comically tone-deaf caricature of "every other college dude's" sex life. The vast majority of college dudes get laid only sporadically when single. The vast majority of college dudes do not have multiple, ongoing, non-committed sexual partners. its neither bizarre, novel, or uncommon Your female solipsism is showing. It's easy for even average women to have three guys on call to bang almost any night of the week. For women …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:55 AM
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You're arguing semantics. Whatever you call it, a man sleeping with multiple women is a harem as defined by the manosphere. Insisting that "harem" isn't an appropriately apt term is as pointless as taking issue with the term "dread game."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:48 AM
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I'm not insisting anything. I was arguing that quality women don't engage in 'harems' as I define them. This, and your unwillingness to engage (or learn about) the manosphere definition, is insisting on your own definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:45 AM
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And? He's sleeping with multiple women. That was his goal from the start. Mission accomplished.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:35 AM
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I'm not going to argue over how the manosphete uses the word harem. You realize that's the purpose of this sub, right? "PurplePillDebate is a neutral community to discuss sex and gender issues, specifically those pertaining to /r/TheBluePill and /r/TheRedPill." Again, I wouldn't walk into a finance class and insist that my own definition of "net present value" supersedes the commonly-accepted finance definition. That's what you're doing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:34 AM
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I know plenty of non-rich guys who juggle multiple women they are not financially supporting. Countless other TRP guys will tell you the same thing. It's possible if a guy is really good looking, or really good at talking to women. Preferably both.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:30 AM
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It's completely different from a woman's perspective. From the male perspective, he has sexual access to multiple women. That's the goal. Whatever relationships or understandings they have among one another is secondary at best. They can think whatever they like; from his point of view it's a harem. They are temporarily sharing him in practice while they work on very different strategies to have his exclusivity. Exclusivity may be the end goal, but they are happy to be sharing in the short term.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:26 AM
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Sure. Why would it not be? Again, the operative idea is that one man is sleeping with multiple women. We're looking at this from his perspective because that's how the term is used in the manosphere. What type of behavior he'll accept from each of those women is up to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:13 AM
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if the man is good enough
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:11 AM
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You can employ red pill ideas and live a completely honest and moral life. What's depressing about that? What's amoral or dishonest about getting in great shape? What's amoral or dishonest about touching up your wardrobe and grooming? What's amoral or dishonest about making it clear that you want sex early on in a relationship? What's amoral or dishonest about dismissing petty complaints as petty? What's amoral or dishonest about learning how to take women on engaging dates? What's amoral or dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 11:10 AM
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"Casual sex" does not necessarily imply multiple partners; "harem" does. That's the important bit: That one guy is sleeping with multiple women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 10:56 AM
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In the short term, it keeps the relationship together. That's by-definition better for the relationship than doing nothing and breaking up. And if the relationship stays together for the short term, it has the opportunity to stay together longer. That option is also off the table if the relationship ends. In any event, I was asking why the opinion "I don't think dread works" should outweigh professional psychologist telling us that yes, women do sometimes sleep with their partners because they'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 10:54 AM
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You're just reiterating yourself at this point. And what material difference are you trying to get at, anyway? I'm saying that plenty of quality women are fine with sharing a high-value man - a fact indisputably evidenced by countless attractive women who are sleeping with married or otherwise taken men. You're saying that these women are only fine with this situation temporarily (though that temporary situation may last for years), and that for some reason this is totally different from a harem…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 10:51 AM
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harem used to literally refer to all of these women living and sharing the same reserved space as each other It also used to explicitly include mistresses and concubines. harem means the girls are exclusive to you. Maybe in the 1500s Ottoman Empire, but no one on TRP is talking about opium dens and slave girls. The manosphere uses the term to mean multiple women sleeping with the same man, period. Maybe some women know about others, maybe not. Maybe some women are sleeping with other dudes, mayb…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 10:43 AM
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I'm not aware of any common definition of "harem" that includes those caveats, and those caveats are certainly not included in the definition used in the TRP/pick up world. The bottom line is that attractive, desirable women are fine with sharing a high-value man if the circumstances are right. Call that whatever you will, but don't pretend that quality women don't put up with this sort of arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 10:00 AM
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Active Dread does not work and usually achieves the opposite of the desired affect. Why is your opinion right and OP's article wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:51 AM
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Active dread is no different than saying, "love me or I'll beat the shit out of you!" It's absolutely nothing like that. Active dread is saying, "If you don't want to sleep with me, I'll find someone who does." Comparing that even remotely to a threat of violence is staggeringly dishonest. Everyone has the right to walk away. Active dread is just vocalizing that right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:49 AM
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Leaving the relationship becomes far more difficult when marriage, shared assets, and kids come into the picture. A huge percentage of people on here are single 20-somethings whose idea of "leave" is just not sleeping with someone anymore and maybe writing off some shirts and toiletries at their place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:41 AM
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that is not a harem She knows she's sharing the man with at least one other woman. If you don't consider a man sleeping with multiple women a harem, you're not using any sensible definition of "harem." In fact, if you look up definitions of "harem" they'll often mention wives and mistresses. So a mistress is actually a textbook part of a harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:34 AM
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the mistresses are waiting for him to leave the wife And in the meantime, they're the side chick. That status can last for months or years. And it happens all the time. Is it your contention that attractive, desirable women never sleep with married men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:29 AM
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Why all the "pump and dump"? Why not try to keep women around assuming they're attractive enough? Obviously your buddy wasn't trying to just pump and dump. A harem implies women who stick around for longer than ONSs, and you describe your buddy's ONSs as a failure of this strategy. Why are you asking about pump and dumps when you know that's not the goal of the harem strategy? Is it hard to maintain a harem? How good looking are you? What type of social status do you have? How good are you at ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:23 AM
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They gladly do if the man is good enough. Tons of women sign up to be mistresses of high-value men who are quite publicly married.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:20 AM
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You need to know where you stand vs. other men (who are your competition) if you're a man. I don't know how practical this is, as one's competition varies heavily based on location. Take your average-looking guy who's maybe 25 and works as an accountant: At work, maybe he stands out from the pack a bit because he got an early promotion and presents himself as highly competent. At a bar, maybe he's a bit behind the eight ball because he's unexceptional physically and doesn't have an interesting c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:15 AM
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You keep saying it's a high risk. It isn't. ...And your reasoning behind this is? most women don't really care if he's still fucking /dating others if they're in the beginning stages of vetting one another Totally irrelevant to the man losing attraction/interest. The risk with making him wait is that the man concludes she's not that into him, and the man moves on. This is easy for high-value guys, who have other options who are willing to sleep with them. What women think about high-value men sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 05:44 AM
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Did you reply to the wrong comment? This has nothing to do with what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 05:29 AM
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You've already stated that. I've already asked you questions about it. You've already failed to respond to those questions. Per my earlier response: If attraction is lost on his part, though, she loses out on a desirable partner, and her strategy backfired. A strategy that has a high risk of backfiring is a poor strategy. How is [mitigating emotional risk] in any way related to sex? What prevents her from doing this while sleeping with him? Wouldn't sleeping with him - which is almost always a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 09:14 PM
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Sounds like your assessment of "everything was going great" is way off. That, or what he didn't like was something big enough that it wasn't worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 09:11 PM
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Very manly of a man to not recognize that generalization/absolutes is a very common sort of effortless speech and take offense in it and start an argument about it, though. A basic part of being an adult is learning tact. Being tactful is not difficult, and is expected in almost every adult setting. Getting upset when your partner lacks the common courtesy to say something tactfully is perfectly understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 08:57 PM
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I'm asking questions, you're not even attempting to answer them, and it's my fault for not comprehending? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 08:47 PM
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I think it's more fair to ask "why can't more people (men have this issue too, see "the Manosphere") accurately assess their value as a mate?" (for LTRs or casual sex). Simple: Imperfect information. It's impossible to truly know how desirable you are to someone else because mind reading doesn't exist. Even people who've been married for decades often feel like they don't have a good grasp on how desirable they are to their partner. And it's significantly more difficult to even estimate desirabi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 08:04 PM
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None of this is about building attraction. It's about vetting for emotional risk. If attraction is lost on his part, though, she loses out on a desirable partner, and her strategy backfired. A strategy that has a high risk of backfiring is a poor strategy. It's about vetting for emotional risk. How is this in any way related to sex? What prevents her from doing this while sleeping with him? Wouldn't sleeping with him - which is almost always a more emotionally intimate relationship than simply g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 07:42 PM
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You still have to know what to listen to and what to discard. Listening to those sorts of conversations can be useful, but they're not the best starting point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 07:30 PM
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People hear that alphas are sometimes assholes, don't read anything beyond that, and come away with "all assholes are alphas."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 07:25 PM
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Who said she's not going to fuck him? What does "making him wait" mean, if not "making him wait for sex longer than he has to wait for sex with most women?" For a good-looking guy (not a model, but above average), maybe 25% of first dates will end in sex. That number jumps significantly, perhaps as high as 75-80%, for second dates. If "making him wait" means making him wait 3, 4, or more dates for sex, it's a bad strategy for an average woman because she appears to be significantly less interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 07:21 PM
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If we're just starting off dating I actually don't care if he's fucking other people. If he's fucking other people, why would he put time and effort into going out with a typical woman who probably isn't going to fuck him? If the choice is between an average woman who he'll sleep with at the end of the night and an average woman who'll give him a kiss and go home, there's no choice at all. And there's only so much going out time each week. It's not strictly about getting laid, either. The woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 12:09 AM
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Some women would... they would be stupid to do so however. It's the most risky option for women. For most women, trying to make a high-value guy wait is a terrible strategy. If she uses a condom and vets him enough to be reasonably sure he isn't a murderer, there's no real risk to having sex. This isn't the 50s; she can likely hide the interaction from her social circle, and in most places there's no longer significant stigma about casual sex anyway. If he's actually a high-value man, he has oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:38 PM
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Until I came to PPD I had no idea these categories existed... But I am not a systemizer/catagory person and I know a lot of PPD people are. Everyone categorizes, it's just a question of how conscious the process is. Everyone has friends they'd love to hang out with and acquaintances they aren't wild about hanging out with. Some just put these into clear buckets in their head, while others don't think about it more deeply than "I'd like to hang out with this guy, I'd rather stay in than hang out …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:27 PM
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No one ever told you "men only want one thing?" Or "men are pigs?" Surely you acknowledge that ideas like this are out there and widely available. The discussion isn't about your personal experience growing up. It's about what's widely available to most women as they grow up. Even if your own personal experience avoided most of that, you understand it exists, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:15 PM
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Tedious world travelers are just tedious people who happen to have traveled a lot. People who travel a lot are not automatically tedious. It's like doing anything interesting, or having any interesting story. Of course it comes off as try hard and annoying if you force it to the forefront of every conversation. But if you let the game come to you a bit, it's cool without seeming forced.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:08 PM
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First, that's around the time when most people are starting to figure out how to have adult relationships. What people read during formative times in their lives matters. Second, "if a guy doesn't commit that means he's immature" and similar ideas might appear in Cosmo, but they're not limited to Cosmo. I've heard tons of women who were far from HS freshmen say versions of the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:03 PM
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I realize that. But a huge, disproportionate amount of criticism of TRP is based around TRP's biological arguments. Pointing out that such criticism isn't especially convincing is relevant when the topic of biological determinism is brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 08:57 PM
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Can a guy make it up with "defensive" consumerism like buying lots of luxury goods or traveling a lot? If someone is doing this but living with a roommate, it's going to come off as "bad with money" a lot more often than anything else unless you present your consumerism as the passion of your life. Someone who loves travel so much they sacrifice comfort in other areas of life is at least plausible. But if you're trying to save money, you're not going to accomplish that by blowing it elsewhere. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:25 AM
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Travelling will get you laid super easy, since girls tend to love foreigners. Traveling can work in your favor, but only if you do it right. Generally it helps to travel with others, it helps to travel to a place where the language barrier isn't too high, you usually have to go out to the bar/club scene and know how to pick up women there, and you still have to initiate the whole way. Possible, yes. "Super easy," no, not for average guys. And any of the factors I listed can easily kill any chanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:18 AM
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Stuff like "if a guy doesn't commit, that's just because he's immature" is all over Cosmo and similar publications. The strategy of assigning only desirable characteristics to Real Men and then telling women that if they don't like how a man treated them he's not a Real Man is nothing new.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 09:02 AM
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Biological determinism is referenced a lot on TRP, but if it's removed completely there are still plenty of reasonable arguments that support key TRP ideas. These arguments largely center around how society treats women, and/or how societal treatment of women is a result of there being more men who want sex than women who are willing to have sex. The whole concept of a sexual marketplace - looking at dating in terms of supply and demand - is strictly an economic argument, and is totally independ…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 08:58 AM
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I would say there is a difference between the articles and what people consider “Red Pill”, but trying to find that approximate difference at this stage is going to be difficult. If it's difficult to identify a particular difference, is that difference all that meaningful?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 08:41 AM
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If an eccentric you puts off 90% but attracts 10% you're ahead. This is because most women don't notice an average guy anyway, so you're not really losing anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 06:46 AM
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The "makes you money" point is key -- you can be into the nerdiest of nerdy pursuits, but if you make good money doing it you're going to be a lot better off (in dating terms) than someone who's equally into that area, but only as a hobby. Money always helps, of course, but there's also the fact that people who are into something enough to make money off of it have probably figured out how to talk to people about it in a way that doesn't cause eyes to glaze over.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 06:45 AM
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But it still doesn't change the fact that this is life, and people saying 'Be yourself' has implicit meanings. And as such, it's shitty advice -- this goes back to my original comment. I'm not saying some people say "just be yourself" and really mean something significantly different that the listener is supposed to intuitively figure out. I'm saying that this sort of advice is bad advice, and it's dumb to let that bad advice off the hook with "it's life" when there's plenty of good advice out t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 06:37 AM
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So you view sex as transactional?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 06:32 AM
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There's one big difference: Blowjobs almost always make men like their partners more, while romantic displays can sometimes make women like their partners less. The former should be obvious. As for the latter, romantic gestures usually build comfort, but not sexual attraction (i.e. you can't buy your way into a woman's pants with flowers). Romantic gestures push guys into the "good boyfriend" camp (assuming they don't go so far over the top that they start to be interpreted as clingy), but that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 06:31 AM
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A $20 bouquet every week is a lot more burdensome than 20 minutes of dick sucking every week. Romantic gestures usually take cash and usually require some planning. Sucking a dick is free and takes almost no planning. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison (for that reason, among others).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 06:17 AM
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I get that people don't give you the full context behind what they're saying 100% of the time. What I'm saying is that this is not the only way to communicate. It's possible to give non-shitty advice, so it's ridiculous to look at shitty advice and say, "Well, that's just the way it is! We can do no better!"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 06:08 AM
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Many of his self-reported encounters would easily qualify as assault or date rape. Zero qualify as sexual assault or date rape based on his descriptions, because he reports them as consensual. As long as your partner is of age, not having consent is a prerequisite to sexual assault or rape. Look at the BDSM community -- all sorts of things there would ordinarily qualify as abusive, but the participants like it, so there's no crime. The red pill argument is that if you're the right guy women will…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 06:07 AM
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That's not at all how life works. There's good, clear, thorough advice, and then there are platitudes that only work if you figure the problem out yourself. There's a major difference. "Just be yourself" is an empty platitude, and no, that's not all there is out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 05:58 AM
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What you're saying makes no sense; it's internally inconsistent. On one hand you're saying "most men aren't losers," and on the other hand you're saying that most men make women afraid that he'll "collapse on top of them after a 20 seconds pump and suffocate them to death with his weight." So the average man is fat and can't get laid, yet he's not a loser? You're delusional if you think the average man can go out and take a different girl home every week, which is what you stated. That's what th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:11 AM
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...Ask for examples/evidence? Provide examples/evidence of the contrary? It's not hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:03 AM
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If your advice includes the caveat that one should read into it far more than what's literally stated, it's bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:00 AM
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Similar to how a BB man feels, like he's worthless except for his wallet. If a man has nothing to offer besides his wallet, he's right when he thinks that's all women want him for. If a woman has nothing to offer besides holes, she's right when she thinks that's all men want her for. The other sex will value you for more than those things, but you have to put in effort to be worth valuing, first. TRP stresses this lesson; feminists whine about how unfair it is to have to put in effort to be valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 09:44 AM
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People can claim it is not "needed" anymore, but if that was the case, then why does it still exists? "It exists" =/= "it's needed." Do we need 50 cable shows about flipping homes? Do we need gold-plated toilets? Do we need porn parodies of everything under the sun? Do we need dozens of shirts we never wear? Do we need 11 films in the Air Bud Cinematic Universe? Of course not. Need isn't particularly well correlated with what actually exists. The existence of something is rooted in want, or dema…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 09:29 AM
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with a few of the average guys I know taking a different girl home once a week. That guy is far from average, then. Average guys don't sleep with 50 women each year they're single. Again -- you lack perspective on what an average guy's sex life is like. ??? Why would good-looking men fuck fat women ? They aren't thirsty. They have options. They can pick the women they want. Because they still have to put effort in to sleep with hot women. They can treat a fat chick like shit, then call her at 3:…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 09:03 AM
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A man and a woman have a one-night stand. He sees it as "pumping and dumping," but she sees it as just casual sex. Therefore it's possible to "[get] to fuck the guy she wanted to fuck" and not have her feel like she got pumped and dumped (because all she wanted was casual sex, anyways). And if she doesn't feel like she got pumped and dumped, she can't feel "1000 times worse" about the situation, because she doesn't feel bad about it at all. Basically, your "that makes it 1000 times worse" commen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 08:59 AM
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Having a Tinder profile doesn't automatically mean you're screwing a different dude every night, though. Going out with friends to bars to pick up a different dude every night does mean that. It's far easier to conceal your actions if you're semi-anonymously arranging sex online.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 08:55 AM
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There's a massive gulf between ideas like "I believe men are better off being masculine and women are better off being feminine" and ideas like "rape should be legalized." He believes the former, and there's a decent argument for labeling that misogynistic, but it's nowhere close to what you were implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 08:52 AM
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even if I was to spend a week without sex The fact that you think going one week without sex is a big deal indicates that you're wildly out of touch with the experience of the average guy. A week-long dry spell is nothing to an average guy. It goes around in this sub that there's tons of fit men fucking obese women but in my entire life I only saw that happen once. You only saw it once because of course good-looking guys don't want to advertise that they're fatty fucking, for obvious social reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 11:32 AM
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That's a myth people are told to get them to work hard at jobs they don't care about. There are plenty of people who've hit it rich and retired young who are more than content to just go out and explore life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 11:27 AM
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Loaning out his lawnmower doesn't buy him dogsitting privileges, but it's also kind of a dick move to benefit from someone's kindness over and over and over again and then not even do a little to return the favor. If I bring beer over to a friend's house every time I visit and ask them to bring a case one time they come over to my house, hell yeah they're being a dick if they refuse without good reason. You're not entitled to what they have, but that doesn't mean they're in the right, either. Gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 11:23 AM
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Or they know the guy they're seeing is sleeping with other women, even if it's not explicitly stated, but they haven't had the exclusivity talk and she's afraid he'll bail if she tries to force the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 09:54 AM
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Now dating apps mean any woman, bargirl or not, can pick up her phone and find 50 interested guys with very little effort. The real difference between bars and dating apps is that her friends don't have to know about guys she meets on dating apps. If you're picking dudes up at bars you're probably not doing going out alone, and even if you do there's always a chance you run into someone you know. If played correctly dating apps basically eliminate the social stigma of sleeping with tons of rando…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 09:50 AM
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If she fucked 4 guys in the same day, she sure as hell didn't stop at 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 09:37 AM
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Plus, the "4 in one day" story makes me think the 30 total number is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 09:36 AM
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If she's just looking to get laid, and not to marry the guy, she probably doesn't see it as pumped and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 09:34 AM
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Not a lot of people ask, but it has a way of coming up, like any conversation topic does if you know someone for long enough. It's often offered even if you don't ask, like in the post the OP links to. And it doesn't have to be in the form of "I've slept with X amount of people," it's usually a number of stories about the past pieced together over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 09:31 AM
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the guy who advocated for abolishing rape laws Have you actually read that article? He's "advocating" for abolishing rape laws about as much as Jonathan Swift was "advocating" for cannibalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 09:22 AM
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No. OP is arguing against the logic of ignoring evidence of a false accusation just because the woman who made the false accusation hasn't admitted to it. To do this he's applying that logic to a similar scenario where it immediately jumps out as ridiculous. What's your gut reaction to OP saying "We shouldn't believe a man has committed sexual assault unless he admits to it?" Obviously that's nuts -- if there's enough evidence that he sexually assaulted someone, you believe it, even if he denies…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 02:15 AM
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So apply your original question to the opposite sex: Your original question: "So even if there's a mountain of evidence that a man committed sexual assault, we shouldn't believe that evidence unless he admits to it?" Your question, applied to the opposite sex: "So even if there's a mountain of evidence that a woman made a false accusation, we shouldn't believe that evidence unless she admits to it?" The second bullet point is the OP's argument -- that many people are unwilling to call a false ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 02:01 AM
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It's the statement I was replying to with the genders and situations flipped. Because if you apply that reasoning to women and false accusations (instead of men and sexual assault) you get OP's argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 01:49 AM
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If you refuse to apply the logic you're applying to men and sexual assaults to women and false accusations, you're missing the entire point of this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 01:38 AM
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It's your own words, with the genders and situations flipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 01:28 AM
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So even if there was evidence of it the accusation being false beyond doubt there is no reason to believe it that it's false, unless the man woman committing the sexual assault false accusation admits to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 01:18 AM
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