Why most very-high-value men get married instead of following their supposed "sexual imperative"?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2018-07-20T17:29:56+00:00

they do both, like high value men always have. they marry and cheat copiously.

soemthing needs to be corrected here

monogamy in humans means "one official WIFE at a time". it is not monogyny. i dot care what false dictionary bullshit definition any of you pull out to show otherwise that definition is political wrong and/or inapt

Pope_Lucious · 2018-07-20T17:25:53+00:00

There’s a lot of things going on at the top of the sexual marketplace for men.

1) Societal expectations to get married are still present for the powerful. We like our leaders to be stable and predictable. Politicians and prospective CEOs need to be hitched in order to pass baseline scrutiny.

2) They want children. Intact two-parent marriage is the greatest boon to a child’s future. It’s more important than whether or not a child grows up in poverty.

3) They have an understanding with the wife that they get side pussy. I’d bet money D.L. Hughley, David Letterman, and George Lopez all had understandings with their wives before they got caught publicly cheating. D.L. even discussed it pretty openly in a radio interview.

Failure case- Tiger Woods

4) They actually believe in marriage as a necessary transformative experience for themselves.

5) They’re phonies trying to build a better brand by marrying into another celebrity dynasty.

Some combination of these five reasons are why the top men still choose marriage despite their natural male imperative.

Merger-Arbitrage · 2018-07-20T17:17:28+00:00

Waking up next to an awesome human being day after day is one of the best feelings in the world (random hos do not apply). That's why.

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-07-20T17:20:25+00:00

Like very famous men, actors, athletes, etc.

Actors have reputations to uphold. Thier love lives are more in the spotlight than other famous men and their work depends on their reputation to a large extent.

Rappers and athletes on the other hand, hire prostitutes to attend their events. There is this red pill meme where these very-high-value men have a harem or something. People fantasize that the 200 naked women at a championship party are fangirls, girlfriends and side-chicks. In actuality, they are ALL PROSTITUTES.

Women aren't lining up to be pumped and dumped by Chad the millionaire rapper or Tyrone the running back. Chad the millionaire rapper hires prostitutes because it's low risk, high-reward. It takes a fair amount of work and risk to get women to consent to being in a harem and basically be your sex slave akin to the dynamic R Kelly has. The press is on your ass for holding sex slaves, regardless of their consent, and in turn, nobody likes you. The vast majority of women don't want to be side-bitch #14. Prostitutes are less likely write some metoo shit about you in the papers the next day.

You must not be aware of how rappers and athletes behave in strip clubs or parties.

SerpentCypher · 2018-07-20T17:19:06+00:00

Ehhh, being married doesn't prevent you from sleeping around fyi.

Especially when it comes to celebrities, you see it a lot of times a high value man's wife/gf will stay even in the face of blatant, well publicised cheating because of the benefits of being attached to such a man.

Duzand · 2018-07-20T17:51:07+00:00

"Marriage is an important part of getting ahead. It lets people know you're not a homo. A married guy seems more stable. People see the ring, they think 'at least somebody can stand the son of a bitch.' Ladies see the ring, they know immediately that you must have some cash, and your cock must work."

-Captain Ellerby, The Departed

mgtow_1 · 2018-07-20T19:09:52+00:00

High value men marry for the social status it gives them. Man of which cheat regularly. The women don't leave these men unless they get caught and lose social status, ie all the metoo men getting divorced after being called out, losing careers, etc.

toronto87 · 2018-07-20T18:04:02+00:00

Getting married doesn't stop very high value men from fulfilling their sexual imperative.

ATastefulNude · 2018-07-20T21:07:38+00:00

A lot of them don't. You just won't find high quality men aligned with MGTOW or similar groups because remaining a bachelor is a choice they've made with total freedom and willingness. They have no reason to gripe or vent about their situation.

And most people have control over their sexual urges. If they didn't, 100% of women would cheat because they all have ample opportunity regardless of status to do so. The fact that most women (like most men) go their whole lives without cheating shows us that most people exercise self control rather easily.

wtknight · 2018-07-20T17:29:37+00:00

At some point high-value men realize that having an emotional connection with one person is superior to having emotionless sex with a variety of women. Many of the men who never personally experience the emotionless casual sex experience like high value men do don't realize and still glorify it in their own minds.

GridReXX · 2018-07-20T17:34:31+00:00

Marriage & Family will always signal status and stability and "trusting" to the majority of people.

So yes, most people eventually do those things.

Furthermore being married doesn't mean in private the people in that marriage aren't partaking in less conservative sexual proclivities -- multiple partners, kinks, etc.

sadomasochrist · 2018-07-20T17:52:35+00:00

Same reasons that every other guy that rejects TRP or doesn't fully swallow does.

Still validates himself with a relationship.
Believes he can or likely will, game the system and or his woman "is different."

Once a man no longer validates himself with women, and understands women generally all act the same, he'll never make that mistake again. The male version of "the cat lady" is "your uncle that lives on the lake and tinkers with cars" that gets shit hammered at your family gathering and laughs every time someone says they're getting married but keeps to himself.

They have easy access to thousands of women, but still decide to engage in monogamy instead of having sex with multiple women with the least amount of effort, which according to TRP, is the male sexual imperative.

Have you followed these men around or camped out in their hotel rooms?

YaAmar · 2018-07-20T19:15:36+00:00

Because being one of the most physically attractive human beings in Humany History doesn't steal away from having human emotions and feelings and desires. People still feel lonely, and anyway just because they are married it doesn't mean they aren't sleeping with other women.

Why can't women do it but men can?

You do realize Hugh Grant, who was dating one of the most beautiful women in her day was still cheating on her? Most men cheat, the ones who can anyway. The ones who can't cheat because they are ugly/fat/old/poor/afraid of getting caught by the police visiting escorts, don't.

prodigy2throw · 2018-07-20T22:48:32+00:00

Most actors are dumb. Also, strange pussy does in fact get boring and they still think they can only truly be in a loving relationship if they marry.

goatismycopilot · 2018-07-20T23:22:45+00:00

They want some of their offspring to be legitimate heirs.They get married that does not mean they are monogamous.

IncomeByEtnicity · 2018-07-20T19:36:23+00:00

Like very famous men, actors, athletes, etc.

High Value men >>>> Famous men.

You walk up the Downtown core of any city. Look at all the buildings with rental apartments. Almost none of them are owned by celebrities. These owners are all high value men, in the 10 to 100 million net worth range and there are probably a 1000 of them in every Major City. Compare this to maybe 6 superstar athletes with the same worth per city.

And I've just looked at urban real estate. Then there is agriculture, fisheries, manufacturing, Import.

We all eat pistachios, but the tree doesn't bear fruit for 15 to 20 years. Do you know how wealthy you need to be to own and run a Pistachio plantation? 20 years of huge losses, maybe 30 to break even? You think one Generation of Monetary success can afford that? This is true wealth that schmucks like you have no access to. True wealth that has silently taken a monetary slice out of every single thing you own around you.

So to use this tiny microfraction of famous men as behavioral ambassadors for High Value men is ridiculous. But it is understandable because that is the only wealth your common eyes have access to see.

sex with multiple women, according to TRP, is the male sexual imperative

Monogamy and Wealth

Googling "List of ethnic groups by household income" will reveal America's highest earning, most successful, most tax paying ethnic group is Indian American. They are also perhaps the most Monogamous. Their system of Arranged Marriages is in the least, a method where young people are humble enough to take input from their Parents/elders regarding the choice of a LTR partner that is right for them.

Is it any surprise that most of America's new Pistachio farmers are also Indian?

Empire begins with a Stable Marriage.

Empire grows slowly and over many Generations.

Empire is the true Male sexual imperative.

[deleted] · 2018-07-20T17:30:14+00:00

Marriage signals status, it's additional social proof. When you're married you can more easily sleep with other women on the side.

They have easy access to thousands of women, but still decide to engage in monogamy instead of having sex with multiple women with the least amount of effort, which according to TRP, is the male sexual imperative.

I think you have it wrong. I think they have sex with multiple women, way more than if they hadn't married. Certainly the numerous scandals where exactly this comes out suggest this.

This is actually the only good reason there is to get married. Keep in mind though that it can only be combined with a very busy life so you're not around your wife too much as that will impede your testosterone.

SilentLurker666 · 2018-07-20T19:57:04+00:00

Like very famous men, actors, athletes, etc.

Do you mean like Tom cruise (divorced three times) or Brad Pitt (Married and divorced Angelina Joline, and Jennifer Anderson), Dwilght Howard (got at least 6 baby mamas).... they switch their spouses in the long run anyways... the difference is that they can actually afford to pay them.. and then paid them off cuz they are filthy rich.

They have easy access to thousands of women, but still decide to engage in monogamy instead of having sex with multiple women with the least amount of effort, which according to TRP, is the male sexual imperative.

Because it's social pressure and people sticking with tradition. Marriage also generates a bit of media attention. Althought lately things have changed a bit... Leo DiCaprio for example. There's also a lot downside to marriage that people have recently discovered - Robin Williams for example...

TRP also says women can't control their own sexual impulses(Hypergamy, AF/BB). Why can't women do it but men can?

Two entirely different mechanics at play. Men would love to have sex with a lot of women... especially with the #metoo movement there's consequences for their actions... especially when you are rich and women are just after those settlements money

There's no punishment for women acting on their impulse to do well by seeking a provider but meanwhile desiring for Alpha male... especially with then second wave feminist and society itself did away with slut shaming.

andrew_rdt · 2018-07-20T17:24:27+00:00

Most things discussed on this sub the imperative is based on a stereotype but in reality there is a lot more grey area. Like most stereotypes there is some truth to it but in the end its just a stereotype. You can find lots of cases to fit your narrative but so can everyone who disagrees with your statement. Plus the grass is always greener, have fun for a few years and maybe you'll be bored and monogamy doesn't look so bad. Keep in mind high value people don't have to worry about many of the common downsides of marriage.

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Elumamai · 2018-07-20T20:47:51+00:00

Supposedly, the more intelligent a man is, the more inclined toward monogamy and fidelity he is. At least that's what some studies I've read found. Very famous men also tend to be above average in intelligence. So, that may be one reason?

However, that doesn't mean that they won't necessarily cheat on their spouse, they just have the good sense to lock down a good one. Though, there are things that can be done to incline the man to be more likely to protect the relationship.

SeemedGood · 2018-07-20T23:19:03+00:00

Because we just want to be loved and fool ourselves into thinking that we can achieve that through monogamy.

[deleted] · 2018-07-21T04:41:29+00:00

In adult world you are low status if you don't have a wife. Other men won't trust you, even if they should. And with a wife? They will trust you, even if they should not.

DaphneDK42 · 2018-07-21T10:13:23+00:00

1) actors, athletes, etc. aren't necessarily smart people. Not-smart people do non-smart things.

2) Many are being enticed by female orientated cultural stories. Hollywood movies, etc.

3) Some want the whole David-Victoria Beckham star-marriage.

4) A lot have had a legion of easy girls in their 20s/30s and have grown tired of all that nonsense, and want somebody whom they can connect to on a deeper level.

5) Some wants kids.

6) Many have side chicks.

ExistentialLiberty · 2018-07-21T14:08:25+00:00

Like every other person on earth, they have preferences. And not everything is that black and white lol. Some people may choose to fool around whilst young (in their 20s-30s) and get married in their 30s-40s. Some people may get married then divorce to become a bachelor and fool around (or maybe not). Some people may get married and cheat on their wives with other women. The list goes on. I think what TRP is trying to say is that men have it easier (obviously) when they're at their peak and they can fool around with alot of women if they want to, not that they will (and to what degree they will).

Entropy-7 · 2018-07-21T14:14:12+00:00

My closest friends are blue pill but very alpha. Case 1 married a Brazilian hottie and they are going strong years later. Case 2 settled down with a flaminco dancer many years his junior. Case 3 married his college sweetheart and raised two sons before divorcing her ass in favour of a Hong Kong girl a dozen years younger.

Me? I am not a famous actor or anything. I am decent looking and have enough smarts and game to play the field if I wanted to. However, it is taxing and found a woman who takes care of me.

Five_Decades · 2018-07-21T18:21:55+00:00

High value men do both.

To me, these are the theoretical mating strategies of both high SMV men and women.

Men: Have a wife and kids at home you enjoy and invest in. But also have an endless string of mistresses, one night stands, etc. on the side.

Women: Have a husband and kids you enjoy and invest in. But also have a long line of beta orbiters around the block of high SMV/RMV men willing to invest in you if your primary relationship fails.

Those seem to be the strategies both genders follow if they have the SMV to pull it off.

nomansweb · 2018-07-22T01:28:20+00:00

They want the companionship, the emotional connection. Having a very high value partner probably also helps.

That said, they do cheat/"branch swing" a lot.

Quadtastrophe · 2018-07-22T07:32:48+00:00

Cause TRP is pseudoscience.

newName543456 · 2018-07-22T21:41:56+00:00

They have to maintain image. Hurting the image could affect their job offerings. This is why fame isn't that good of a thing after all.

Blink_King · 2018-07-24T01:45:56+00:00

Because society has conditioned them to believe that marriage is a finish line rather than a noose around their neck.

Hydroeletric_ · 2018-07-20T17:12:56+00:00

They bought the blue pill dream

Gravel_Roads · 2018-07-20T19:34:40+00:00

Because not all men are only interested in having as much sex with as many people as possible. I understand the RP is attractive to people that are, but there are huge demographics of men that fall in love as readily and excitedly as women, and marry for the pure romance of it all.

As with RP, the results of this are very YMMV. Some people end up with good loving women who make them happy, some don’t. Some will end up bitter from it, some won’t.

circlingldn · 2018-07-20T18:53:25+00:00

Because earning alot is fucking hard work aka no time to be prowling bars and shit

gasparddelanuit · 2018-07-20T19:45:45+00:00

Why do most very-high-value men get married instead of following their supposed "sexual imperative"?

Social pressure and reputation. Many very-high-value men are still having extramarital sex on the side. Marriage is often and probably even usually just for show.

Workaholico · 2018-07-20T20:36:38+00:00

Why they marry?

Time, they are aging, thats why most marry latter in life only. Even if age do not their value that much, it in The long run may, plus, it affects their time on earth.
Resources, a good wife is a great asset that is not only sexual, mostly in social interactions, if you have someone to trust is great but you need to find such an asset, which is hard, again making them marry later in life.
Security, they sexual security is good regardless of a wife, but to find someone new every day or have a lover come over is a pain. It is safer to have someone there always.

But I think you misunderstood something. Most natural alphas may marry but they do not stop what they did as single. And even those who do stop seeing other women, it is more to do with problems comingout of this behavior than anything.

gopher_glitz · 2018-07-20T22:21:30+00:00

Guilt

Million-Suns · 2018-07-21T00:17:08+00:00

Propaganda

Fear of dying alone

Peer pressure

Shotgun weddings

And most importantly, most of these famous men have low self esteem and need the validation provided by the image a "perfect family" conveys. Also another reason why they mostly date other famous persons. But after so many divorces, they do not fool anyone.

I'd argue they're not even high value men. Only high status.

washington_breadstix · 2018-07-21T04:16:43+00:00

First of all, why are you so sure that most of them are married? Outside of various high-profile couples, do we ever hear about the love lives of other famous men (i.e. those who are in relationships with non-famous women or those who are just sleeping around)?

I'm guessing that the very-high-value men who are married got married after a period of insane promiscuity the rest of us could only dream of. Brad Pitt might be all about that settled-down relationship life at this point, but in the 90's he probably slayed pussy until his penis cried uncle. We just didn't see that side of him publicized because "Hot famous guy gets a lot of action" isn't exactly headline-worthy.

Title	Why most very-high-value men get married instead of following their supposed "sexual imperative"?
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High Value men >>>> Famous men.

Monogamy and Wealth