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Men's RightsInterversity/r/TheRedPill05/09/15 10:06 PM
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ScienceInterversity/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:52 PM
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DiscussionInterversity/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 07:18 AM
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DiscussionInterversity/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 04:04 AM
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DiscussionInterversity/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 11:27 PM
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Interversity/r/askTRP15/04/15 09:43 PM
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Shoes that indicate a high likelihood that the wearer has autism. It's a pejorative joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 01:49 AM
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I don't think this is a reasonable interpretation of what he's doing here. Suppose you're the volunteer referee of a [favorite sport] game. Suppose you ask the teams to stop doing [bad thing in the game] so that the game can go smoothly and not get stopped every two minutes for the same stupid thing. Suppose the players respond to you with "so basically you're annoyed at having to do the job you volunteered for. OK". Is it not better to do warnings like that, to everyone, to improve the efficien…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 07:09 PM
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USSR spies infiltrated US academia during the Cold War and fed intellectual bullshit into socialist movements like feminism in an intentional and organized attempt to undermine the US's power Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 06:23 AM
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Check out the stories on /r/childfree. There are plenty of men who act like it's a foregone conclusion that women must have children to have purpose. I would agree that it's more women than men, but it's certainly not "almost exclusively" women. And I say this as a dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 07:34 PM
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But on anonymous surveys? You'd need some proof of that to make that claim. it's called 'social desirability bias'
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 07:13 AM
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how tall are you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 02:53 AM
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reading your posts is always a nice break from the rest of the internet where nobody backs up a single claim with evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 02:51 AM
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I've seen many veteran RPers say different, including Archwinger
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 01:55 AM
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Red Pill vs. The Red Pill (subreddit)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 01:34 AM
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No, it can be RP, not TRP. If you don't even bother to keep your language straight when that's exactly what we're talking about, you aren't much of an authority on what's RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 01:17 AM
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this is worse than blue waffle
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 10:23 PM
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Biology drives us to consume as much as possible and makes it relatively difficult to get rid of fat stores. Lots of people can't or won't overcome this, and it's hugely exacerbated by American culture, portion sizes, HAES/fat acceptance, etc. Add free porn, videogames, Netflix, cheap junk food, and women's standards increasing day by day, and you get a bunch of fatasses.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 10:20 PM
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What the fuck is Lambda?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 10:11 PM
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Half the shit on Chateau Heartiste and Illimitable Man and all those sites isn't linked to specifically by TRP. Why would 'RP' be restricted to 'only things straight from or linked to by the subreddit called TRP'?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 10:09 PM
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Do the means justify the ends? Did you mean to put it that way or should it be the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 07:48 PM
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Great post. The other day my social psychology professor, an avowed feminist, said something to the effect of 'nice guys, don't worry, the girls will stop dating the assholes and recognize the potential you have in due time. just wait for it' I burst out laughing. Such a bald acknowledgement of the dual mating hypothesis and the huge divide in options for relatively young men vs. women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 07:33 PM
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kek
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:23 AM
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Steroids can be used responsibly, and when one does so, they are safer than alcohol and many other drugs. In fact, looking at it purely from a mortality standpoint, driving a car is deadlier than using steroids (if you're not using an insane unnecessary dosage)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:20 AM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 11:34 PM
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Distinction without a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 11:28 PM
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but it's so so base animal in act, nothing 'human' about it. Pleasure includes intellectual and artistic pleasures. It's not just shitty reality TV shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:52 PM
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Like a Nordic democracy or? More or less. My point is that once some countries are established and have a good standard of living for all (and not even the US has accomplished this to the extent that it could), they can focus on helping other countries. People are people, their interests and feelings aren't worth less ethically just because they happened to be born two miles over an arbitrary line. And what you refer to as hedonism... I mean, I know that's the definition, but I don't see anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:56 AM
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if the claim someone is making is actually NOT common knowledge. And I guess you get to decide what's common knowledge. Convenient. Are you kidding me? The law doesn't even say anything about men... No fucking shit, I literally quoted it. I said myself I think it applies to men, I didn't say it says anything about men in the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:50 AM
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To me, maximum utility would come from developing all cities and countries as much as possible, first eliminating poverty, then getting all up to a 2000s standard of living, and then focusing on building the most productive societies further. I believe this would be best accomplished under a relatively liberal, almost socialist system. Yup, liberalism feeds into hedonism How?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 10:42 PM
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You seem to be conflating "evidence that women are more empathetic" and "evidence that women do not abuse/objectify men." Those are not the same things. Your dubious studies claim the the former, yet you act like they refute the latter statement (which is Briffault's law.) Briffault's law The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. I think Briffault's law appl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 10:41 PM
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And that's directly due to liberalism?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:53 PM
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Maximum utility would come from an autocracy, super efficient. Sure, if you think liberty and (more) democratic governing methods don't contribute much to utility. I do, though. Do you not see the droves of waste produced in liberal countries? What do you even mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:48 PM
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For instance, if you tried to show people scientific articles that the red stuff that comes out of medium rare steaks is not blood, no one would believe you because it looks like blood. And there's the problem. Your argument is circular because it relies on me accepting your version of reality as true, without having actually provided any evidence (besides you saying it's so). I think the problem here is we disagree on whether women even abuse or objectify men in the first place. Um, no. Obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:34 PM
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Or they believe a generally liberal ideology maximizes utility, but aren't dewy-eyed SJWs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:29 PM
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Tell me where it's found in the core RP readings/philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:27 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 11:01 AM
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Men are generally very prone to believe if they cannot please a woman with their dick alone, they are not 'real men'. According to who?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 10:21 AM
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I think he could, or he could not. There is plenty of porn that is also more realistic than the usual caricature of acting. Combining porn with some general research on sex and sexual skills should be enough to prepare a non-retarded person fairly adequately.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 10:01 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uquRRrJh-L0
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:35 AM
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What would you think of a liberal who largely agrees with RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:33 AM
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The more knowledgeable my buyers are, the more likely I am to make a sale. I mean, this really depends on the product and how exactly you're trying to sell it. Certainly many salesmen like to use the peripheral route of persuasion, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:30 AM
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You wanted someone to tell you why women might grow disinterested in porn because men are beginning to have crazy expectations: I didn't want nor ask for anything. Obviously that turns him into a crappy lover. What can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:27 AM
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The problem I have with it is that none of this evidence offers a justification for how that can logically be true in the face of female behavior. In fact, your sources are silent about the basic, observable reality of the situation (insofar as they don't even mention it at all). This makes me instantly distrust the credibility of these sources. At the end of the day you can show all the scientific calculations you want, but if the end result is blatantly contradictory to the empirical evidence,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 09:25 AM
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If you believe the average guy who pumps for 8 minutes without touching anything else is making the woman orgasm, you are deluded. Thanks for adding in that straw man. It has nothing at all to do with what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:46 AM
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Skinny jeans don't show off cellulite and fat. Yoga pants do
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 12:50 PM
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it sells the lie that women can orgasm with very little clitoral stimulation. Are you claiming no women can orgasm just through vaginal insertion/stimulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 12:35 PM
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It's not selfish to opt out of donating money or time to help the child if you can't afford it. If you live in the US, there's a very good chance you can afford it, and that them having even just a little bit of your money would vastly increase the total utility gained from said money. if they did care, why would they still do it? Nothing is going to be achieved by pretending women are a monolith who all betray and objectify every man they associate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 12:32 PM
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lit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 07:25 PM
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lit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 07:22 PM
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what do you run from?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 07:20 PM
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That's metal, not house/trap/EDM. Reported, gg
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 07:19 PM
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weren't you ever informed by the liberal zeitgeist that everybody has a story??!?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 07:18 PM
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side by side comparisons of xbone and 360 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XYOSZI2pAY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm66ybXFNWs It's definitely better, but the size of the difference depends on the person. I game a fair amount, so I'd call the difference pretty large, but very casual gamers would likely not think it so important. My view on it is that with the discount you're getting, I would absolutely grab it. It will future-proof you for at least 5 years/this next console cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 12:42 AM
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whoa, storytime!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 12:38 AM
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Empathy is the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within the other being's frame of reference, i.e., the capacity to place oneself in another's position. You can do this and still make selfish decisions. I can feel strong empathy for a starving Rwandan child, and still not actually donate any money or time to helping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 12:38 AM
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Tell me your favorite house/trap/EDM songs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 12:45 PM
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Wait, where do you even live? I could swear you were an American
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 12:37 PM
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Depends on the discount. It's definitely a big step up from the 360 (4k streaming, 4k blu ray, smaller, new games, etc.) but it's not a huge step up from a regular Xbox One. You do have the 4k TV, so if you watch netflix or amazon or hbo or whatever or use blu ray, you'll get 4k video, but it doesn't support 4k gaming. Your other 4k option is the PS4 Pro. tldr if you aren't bothered by the money/have a good discount, go for the xbone s or the ps4 pro
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 12:36 PM
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2 shitposts is worse than 1 shitpost. use the report button
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 12:29 PM
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it's illogical to say women are equally empathetic when they're practically ignoring the emotional aspect of relationships in favor of other kinds of benefits. No, it's not. Anyone can be empathetic and still decide to make self serving choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 12:28 PM
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shitpost, pls delete
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 07:38 AM
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Something can be both a privilege and a disadvantage in different contexts. In any case we're arguing semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 07:37 AM
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You can think that, but according to the better studies (mine) women are not less empathetic than men, full stop
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 07:35 AM
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I've seen it in clubs and in other areas/venues that aren't meat markets
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 07:34 AM
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I don't completely agree with Women are the Most Responsible Teenager in the House, but it should answer your question. And I will also say that I still find myself being surprised how well treating women like children works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 03:52 PM
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The birth rates in undeveloped and developing countries will more than cover any losses in the US. All we need to worry about is the age of the populace, not underpopulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 03:44 PM
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Men might be more romantic than women, but this is not the same as either 'emotional' or 'empathetic'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 03:43 PM
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Nobody said they were 'enticing' guys, but I'm kind of surprised you've never seen nuclear rejections due to a too-large SMV difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 03:42 PM
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These two statements that that person is in a bad mood and doesn't want to be approached. You're not a victim if they snap at you, just unlucky. / if a stranger with no other history or relationship with the person they're approaching gets blown out they must have done something weird. Are incompatible. Which is it? People can just be assholes and/or in a bad mood, so it's not always the fault of the approacher, or they can't and it is always the fault of the approacher?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 12:36 PM
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We may see openly white nationalist R candidates inside of 10 years As the percentages of hispanics, asians, and blacks goes up? Maybe in local elections, but not national candidates.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 12:13 PM
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waiting for someone to do something about it cough Trump
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 11:54 AM
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It's still victim blaming and privileging the hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 11:53 AM
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Still, this demonstrates that men are more emotional and empathetic than women. (Which, by the way, is backed up by studies.) You're going to have to provide those sources, because the studies I'm aware of find either no difference or more empathy from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 07:20 AM
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Okay, thanks for that contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 07:17 AM
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A video of these two interacting would literally kill me with cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 07:17 AM
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Your gender does give you privileges. You can have both privileges and disadvantages due to gender. That doesn't mean there are no privileges afforded based on gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 07:16 AM
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No, I'm using your own reasoning in another case to see if you still think it's solid reasoning. You're saying if someone gets blown out they obviously did something to deserve it; the corollary is that abuse victims obviously did something to deserve it since nobody just goes around hitting people randomly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 07:15 AM
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'Ray Rice obviously had a good reason to hit his girlfriend in the elevator. She clearly did something to deserve it, it's her fault.' Your reasoning also supports above statement. Still want to use it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 02:10 AM
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That's been my experience of offices. Perhaps not always suits, but ties and all the rest are, very, very common requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 02:05 AM
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I don't have to buy extra things or as many things to look professional and presentable You don't? Belt? Suits? Ties? Tie clip? Nice shoes you need to keep shiny? Perhaps a tote bag of some sort in good condition? You need a nice haircut, well-kempt or shaved facial hair, reasonably clear skin, etc. The difference between the minimum for the genders is really not large at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:37 AM
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Semantics. She's a 'sexual exploiter'. The point, to distinguish between legal and ethical status, stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:35 AM
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When a guy gets a mean, snappish response he has warranted it with his behavior, You think every blowout is the fault of the man/approacher?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:31 AM
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it is an inexperienced mans fantasy to believe that if he was good with women, then he could do the perfect approach and have any woman any time Nobody seriously believes this and has any real experience in the field. What many do believe is that given sufficient charm, tact, style, attractiveness, etc. one can avoid being nuclear rejected. This is almost certainly true - how often do you think Brad Pitt (or Channing Tatum, or whoever you think is a rich, hot, celeb-famous 10/10) gets nuclear re…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:30 AM
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Distinguish between legal and ethical sense of 'rapist'. Legally she is a rapist, ethically maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:27 AM
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but come with each gender, so it's not something particularly male or female. What does that even mean? I don't think you understand what privilege/having privilege means.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:25 AM
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In an office setting, I wouldn't be expected to be made up You would be expected to be presentable and not dirty or unkempt, and to follow dress code (in an office - modeling or other such professions are different). Nobody requires women specifically to do anything more, even if there's more social pressure or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:23 AM
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It was sarcasm
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:20 AM
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Oh I read it in a super snarky/sarcastic tone, like 'answering all your questions' meant 'proved they were an idiot'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:20 AM
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Data? What the hell are you talking about? And in any case if you think MRA = TRP, or even that there's massive overlap, you fundamentally misunderstand both MRA and TRP. Both sides have large contigents who despise the other group, even though some people are part of both. They are very much not the same thing. Also downvoting is against the rules bb
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:19 AM
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Yes, I'm saying there's nothing wrong with being a pedophile or 'defending' pedophiles, if we're referring just to the presence of the sexual desire. It's only wrong if someone acts on the desires, it's not wrong to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 01:17 AM
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ideally after they buy you a drink. pussy pass! entitlement! awalt!1!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:21 PM
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i dont understand why non religious people reference it You don't have to be religious to think about whether reality is determinate or not. It is or is not determinate regardless of whether you believe in a god, so it's still a relevant question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 05:56 PM
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I've never seen it, so it doesn't happen? I thought we could do better than that by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 05:53 PM
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So he's a pedophile who's never acted on his desires and wrote an article asking for people not to treat him like a complete monster. I'm not seeing any problem here. Pedophilia is like homosexuality - not a choice. As long as people are honest about it and are careful to not act on the desires, what's the problem? I guarantee we'd end up with less kids abused if we didn't demonize pedophiles who don't want to act on their desires because they know it's wrong. The way you phrased it - 'defend[in…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 05:50 PM
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Does this case support the idea the United States has a rape culture? Why would it do that? Sometimes families refuse to believe someone is actually a dangerous person and beg for leniency. Sometimes they don't. Pretty much everyone else will say 'what a scumbag asshole, throw him in jail'. Doesn't sound like rape culture to me. How does, or do these types of cases (father raping daughter) fit into TRP or TBP sexual behavior and dynamics? Why wouldn't a father just cheat on his wife or hire a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:05 AM
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TRP =/= MRA. At least bother to understand who you're shitting on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:02 AM
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Salon, the site that defends paedophiles, ?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 05:59 AM
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fkn savage
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 05:58 AM
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i can't believe you're literally saying women are like dogs! mongrel what's got into you :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 05:52 AM
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you seem much older
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 12:06 AM
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I don't believe it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 10:18 PM
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You catch more flies with bullshit than honey or vinegar?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 10:15 PM
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Two months of zero activity will definitely fuck you. What's your routine?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 09:45 PM
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its still just another mile stone a guy has to pass if he wants a woman that isnt a 400 hambeast or something. Plenty of very average, DYEL motherfuckers have girlfriends who aren't disgusting. It's not a necessity by any means.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 09:44 PM
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That's kind of disturbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 07:54 AM
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SCOTUS rulings have literally flipped 180 degrees on dozens of issues since the beginning up to now. The Constitution doesn't change real often, as far as I'm aware, so clearly there's room for opposite interpretations of proper ruling. The Constitution doesn't even mention abortion, and abortion was nothing like it is today back then. So any 'constitutional' basis for abortion is necessarily assigning a subjective interpretation to passages that had nothing to do with abortion originally.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 07:53 AM
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No, because the loss in utility incurred by literally giving pigs more legal rights than infants would outweigh the utility gained in treating the more intelligent pig ethically. Pigs (among other animals, like cows, goats, etc.) should be afforded more rights than they are currently, but not to the same level as a normal human infant. However I could see, potentially, animals having greater rights than humans with severe mental disabilities or who are in vegetative states.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 07:49 AM
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Can they force their children to get abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 07:40 AM
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I haven't seen any results If you are actually not exaggerating, one of four things is happening Your program/routine is absolute garbage Your diet is absolute garbage You are deficient in testosterone or some other hormone or mechanism that causes muscle growth You are literally disabled/have some sort of muscular disease All of these except possibly 4 can be fixed though, so which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 07:34 AM
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months is a very long time to stick to something that doesn't show results soon I guess having a healthy diet is an impossible achievement then. And sticking with school through college. And maintaining a job or other source of income to save money. even if I accomplished that goal, It's just another goal to put a check near. then its on to the next item I need to be attractive Having a good physique gives significant bonuses in many areas of life. You will be healthier in many ways, able to lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 07:31 AM
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upboats solely for idiotic trump mimicry <333
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 07:17 AM
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shhh
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 09:14 PM
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For him making progress in that game was "winning" but he was killing himself. If someone legitimately didn't care about living, then there's no 'continued healthy life' criteria for 'winning'. who doesn't care about being healthy? Apparently 1/3 or more of Americans, are you even paying attention? I understand your point, but because of the demarcation problem, I can't justify saying getting addicted to drugs and later dying can't be 'winning'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:53 PM
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If you don't care about being healthy or rich, then sure, you're winning. Everyone has different standards for winning, which is why the millionaire oil prospector can't say the locally revered yoga instructor isn't 'winning'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:44 PM
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that should really be your flair
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:27 PM
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lifting makes me hate life for example How long have you been lifting? You haven't come to enjoy it at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:25 PM
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getting a decent physique is ridiculously hard and takes forever Not really, it mostly depends where you start and how much of an idiot you are (or aren't). Lots of people could look pretty good inside of 6-8 months if they had a reasonably good diet and a non-retarded routine. It shouldn't take anyone more than a couple years to get to 'pretty good' from any point besides 'literally incapable of lifting' ('pretty good' compared to the average US person). It's also not really 'hard'. Nothing abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:24 PM
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If only you were an EC.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:17 PM
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To me it smacks of jocks and Im a nerd so I am wary of jocks. Are you in high school?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:13 PM
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If you're constantly treating women and romantic partners like children who need to be manipulated you are not "winning" at least not from any kind of mature, adult standpoint. Define 'winning'. As far as I can tell, winning means you get everything you want out of whatever you're doing/playing. Winning is not the same as being right, correct, moral, upstanding, good, or anything else. If someone can be completely content and happy in their life while literally thinking with TRP jargon, so what?…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:12 PM
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Scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:02 PM
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She's on record saying that women have always been the primary victims of war in part because they "lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat", [screams internally]
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:00 PM
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So you would have zero preference between Trump and Clinton if no one else was in the running? You would not care at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 07:57 PM
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i will buy you reddit gold don't cuck yourself by donating to liberal SJW controlled reddit :--))
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 07:55 PM
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You merely adopted incel-ness. I was born in it, molded by it! I didn't cum until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but release!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 06:59 PM
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I'd call that willful ignorance and/or low need for cognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/16 09:34 AM
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Is it the same way for other philosophies or ethical systems? Anyone who 'truly adopts and internalizes' utilitarianism wouldn't be remotely interested in debating about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:38 PM
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If anyone truly adopted and internalised Redpill thought, they wouldn't even be on subs like this in the first place. Why can't someone be RP and just have a high need for cognition and enjoy debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:25 PM
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Have you seen those demographic maps showing how basically no women are voting for Trump? And shitty abortion and birth control restrictions would be repealed in a minute. Did you even read my comment? although certain select issues might have very different bills being passed. Also Have you seen those demographic maps showing how basically no women are voting for Trump? I know this is a couple months old, but 35% of women in this survey would have voted Trump if the election was that same day. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:20 PM
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there doesn't need to be any threat of violence By that standard, literally any guy kissing a woman could be sexually assaulting her because he can never really know whether she's intimidated by his job or his physical size. And on a date isn't 'kissing them out of nowhere'. He's describing just walking up to someone and kissing them, 'I'm attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them, I don't even wait.' That sounds like assault to me. You have no idea what he actually means. You're just as…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:15 PM
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Nothing species threatening. There is sufficient technology and sufficient knowledge that serious catastrophes are unlikely (compared to the usual probability). Plenty of women are ambitious and cut throat, so politics wouldn't really change all that much, although certain select issues might have very different bills being passed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 09:35 AM
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I mean, them being too intimidated or scared of repercussions to say 'no' is absolutely sexual assault. No, it's not, assuming he hasn't done anything that would indicate threat of violence (such as having a weapon or closing doors and closing blinds). Just because someone feels scared to say no, unfortunately, does not necessarily make subsequent sexual contact sexual assault. Kissing a girl out of nowhere is sexual assault, and the fact that some might be okay with it doesn't change that fact.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 09:32 AM
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seriously It's not taking it seriously. It's taking it literally while also implicitly assigning a certain meaning to his words without any real evidence to back up such a meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 01:38 AM
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it's all they have Not even close http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/top-10-hillary-clinton-scandals-exposed-wikileaks/ And I actually plan on voting for her. I agree with Sardonis, she is a quasi-criminal career power-gatherer, though still better than Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:53 PM
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I'm outraged that he appeared to be bragging about committing sexual assault The key word here is 'appeared'. Here's the actual unedited transcript: Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Bush: Whatever you want. Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:43 PM
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I largely agree with your interpretation. The whole spin of this story as 'admitting sexual assault' has seemed utterly absurd to me since I first heard what he said. There is way too much plausible deniability and ambiguity to make any kind of legitimate case that this is 'admitting to sexual assault'. Even though I hate Trump and would be okay with him dying, I am pretty annoyed by this shitty smear of a story.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:34 PM
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Another aspect of this is that this sort of comment/story in particular is very difficult to deflect/reframe. The new zeitgeist of defaulting to rabid SJW-ness when discussing women or sexual assault means Trump can only deny everything outright which many intellectually lazy/dishonest people will interpret as literal guilt.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:31 PM
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I starved myself by significantly lowering caloric intake (including protein intake), stopped doing strength training/heavy lifting, shifted mostly to endurance and power exercises, wore weighted and compression vests/sleaves/stockings and ankle weights/braces as often as possible, and lost over 25 lbs in approx 2.5 months. fiat pls what would lord rippetoe say
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:37 AM
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the only way to remain feminine while dropping bf% is surgery Not lifting?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:50 AM
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I'd be 5'7" and 180lbs as a girl. Do I get to keep the same level of muscularity/fitness? The main change would probably be that people would likely stare at me if I didn't dress conservatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:50 AM
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few outliers Pretty much any male bodybuilder/person who trains using bodybuilding routines can do this given some persistence and not eating complete shit. I've been lifting just over four years, although with a lot of fuckarounditis and many breaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:44 AM
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becky pls <3
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:10 AM
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She's a one, not the one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:09 AM
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Male, BMI about 28. I don't give a shit though, I'm jacked, not fat. Very optimistically I might be able to hit obesity level BMI (30+) just from putting on muscle. (currently 5'7" 180lb, 13-14% BF, would be over 31 BMI at 200lbs). If you saw me on the street you would have absolutely no idea I was nearing obesity levels of BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:07 AM
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Xem should have left regardless. He was spending way too much time here (this coming from someone who liked him a lot)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:58 AM
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However, enthusiastic consent is the law in California. Sex without it can be considered assault or rape. Just so you're aware. Pretty sure that's not accurate. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140SB967 Students on university campuses need to abide by the affirmative consent standard written in the above bill, but there's nothing in any law in CA about 'enthusiastic' consent as far as I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:56 AM
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He's being sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:53 AM
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Despite your sarcasm/quasi-No True Scotsman, there is at bare minimum a grain of truth to what he is saying, even if he's not exactly correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:29 AM
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It's true, ain't it? Would you tell a 3/10 computer engineer neckbeard 20 years old still wearing graphic tees, too-short straight cut blue jeans, and stupid sneakers to cold approach if he wanted a gf? No, you tell him to (get in shape and get some style, and then) find a hobby/social activity/sport/whatever to try some basic social circle game.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 06:26 PM
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I don't approach women, that is too beta. Approaching means asking for her consent, which is submissive. Que? Approaching someone and talking to them is the opposite of asking for consent. You're taking up their attention and time even though they didn't invite you to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 06:05 AM
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Meh. Below a certain point it's a really bad idea to try cold approaches just from an efficiency and self esteem standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 06:01 AM
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Why are people so fucking incapable of rational thought about food?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 09:27 PM
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The men entered the SM gate with submissive women approximately 2.6 more times than the gate with dominant women. The design of our study does not allow to tell whether the choice of a particular gate reflects a subject’s sexual preferences rather than just his/her general curiosity. Given free choice over type of woman, men chose either submissive or neutral women almost 80% of the time. 37% chose sub, while 46% chose neutral, so almost as many men wanted subs as neutrals and as stated above, 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 09:18 PM
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Don't worry, you're not crazy. I fucking hate Trump and hope he crashes and burns horribly, but this whole 'promoting sexual assault' spin is fucking bullshit. It can only be taken from an autistic, literal interpretation of his words. When I heard the quote, it seemed pretty obvious that what was happening was 'consensual', at least under the legal definition, although probably not 'enthusiastic consent' or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 09:07 PM
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And very short girls are the ones that are very critical about a man's height. I'm 5'7, so right on the cusp of manletness, and I've never heard a girl shorter than me say anything about my height or how they had height requirements that I didn't meet. It's always girls who are taller who admit that they won't date men shorter than them. Also Besides, I don't think very short girls are attractive So what you're saying is you're boned because you can't bring yourself to date shorter girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 08:58 PM
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Most men do not like submissive women either. Did human nature change overnight?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 08:47 PM
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She wasn't any of those things, or at least there's zero indication she felt that way from the video.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 04:36 AM
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Women can't avoid ALL risks in relation to rape. And no one has suggested they do so. Mostly the suggestion is for them to avoid the obvious, easily abated risks. Nobody is claiming that giving this advice will stop all rapes ever anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/16 08:06 PM
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You didn't respond with a question, and if you were intending your response to be an answer to my question, it was a pretty poor one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/16 05:39 AM
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We've been watching him 'embarrass' himself for almost a year now, and he got the nomination in a landslide. You have to see through the facade.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 11:32 PM
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Why do you think there's a question mark in my first comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 11:23 PM
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Never in connection to preventing sexual violence, no. There was this advice for general campus culture and partying. Said advice regarding partying culture is at least implicitly, if not explicitly, also in regards to sexual violence. Any time a sexual assault occurs on or near my campus, the university police send an email to all students about it, always including these kinds of guidelines for avoiding victimization.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 11:15 PM
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If they call themselves feminists, they're feminists. We don't get to decide they're not 'real feminists' (cf. No True Scotsman)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 06:36 PM
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Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists are anti-feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 06:27 PM
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I find this very, very strange and rather hard to believe. There was really zero mention of precautions to take when going to parties, drinking etc.? No 'use the buddy system' or 'tell a friend where you're going' or 'travel in groups' or 'use tapshield'?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 06:15 PM
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Being sufficiently attractive to the other person is a prerequisite. That doesn't mean there's nobody with a sufficiently low bar for attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 04:26 PM
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Nice straw man. Nowhere do I claim an ugly person is incapable of being loved, nor do I claim that they can never have a meaningful or lasting relationship. It's just much, much harder and less likely. You seem to deny the last part of the above. Doing so treats ugly people as pitiful children rather than adults who can (and must) deal with an unfortunate truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 05:42 PM
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People already do pay for children that aren't theirs in numerous ways, not least of which being all the tax incentives given to parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 05:37 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaTiVL9zkN4
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:46 PM
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But who cares if those mass monsters aren't attractive? They are literally pro BBers. You have to be cycling many, many times, lifting very consistently, and maintain a very good diet to look anything like that. Most normal guys couldn't even get to fitness model type physiques. And nobody ever claimed the actual pro BBer mass monsters are the most attractive; it's the ottermode and/or fitness model types that are most attractive generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:45 PM
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I always include a disclaimer when I correct people's spelling/grammar. Everyone assumes being a dick :L
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:42 PM
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Hahahaha, no. Not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:36 PM
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"a dark number" What does that mean? Also, the reason for taking the risk earlier would be because the man is typically considered on the hook for supporting the woman through pregnancy. If it's not his, finding out earlier relieves him of that burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:33 PM
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It's 'gynocentrism' when a woman applies herself, works hard, and supports herself with a good career? You gotta stop reading RP bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:31 PM
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Hope you get better dude, depression sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:29 PM
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Everyone's "right to not be a parent" is trumped by their child's right to as loving a home environment as the government could get the parents to provide. Every state has a statute allowing for voluntary and involuntary surrender of parental rights, and putting babies up for adoption is common and relatively easy. The facts are unequal, and the law does its best to amend it. Reproduction is way more costly for women than men. Men will never have to carry their own children the way most women do…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:25 PM
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It's actually pretty far down the list. Maybe for you. For lots of other people, if you don't make the cut on looks, you don't even get a shot. And it sounds like you're blaming society and/or human DNA in its entirety instead of getting out there and talking to people until you find what you are looking for. Why are you assuming I'm ugly? One can defend a marginalized group without being a member of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:18 PM
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I mean, that sort of thing already happens. Camboys (male version of camgirls) are rather popular and there are plenty of sites (and even many subreddits) dedicated to pics of nude males.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 03:34 PM
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You say this I am so against it, I didn't even watch a leaked celeb sextape of girls i consider very attractive(jessica brown findlay) because it's immoral. I understand that voyeurism is a kink of lot of people, but it should be let only to be portareyed in porn or fiction but then this But it would be cute to me to see the other way around. Girl discussing and having this. I don't understand, these two appear to contradict each other. If it's immoral for one sex it's immoral for the other as w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 03:11 PM
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an international outrage about Brock Turner, As someone who would actively campaign against feminism if it wouldn't destroy my reputation, the Brock Turner decision was pretty shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:53 PM
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Some of the reasons people give for supporting abortion do include things like 'no one should be forced to support a child they're not ready for'. And this argument somehow failed to ever make it across the gender line to men. The argument for bodily autonomy is a good one, and if the only reason someone supports abortion is to maintain bodily autonomy principles, then that's fine. But you have to see how unequal the rights are between men and women around reproduction and child rearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:35 PM
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a 10/10 Chad if I ever saw one
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:27 PM
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10/10
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:22 PM
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What 'truth'? And who am I blaming, besides you for saying useless things?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:09 PM
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Obviously, but not to a huge degree. Very ugly people in one place are pretty much always ugly everywhere. Very good looking people in one place are pretty much always good looking everywhere. Some women prefer CR7 to Channing Tatum, but most would agree that both are quite good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 02:08 PM
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If you are kind, fun to be around and hold a good conversation, you can find someone who likes you for who you are on the inside. You cannot prove this, and even if it was true, people want someone to be sexually attracted to them. Not this bullshit 'oh, you're really great! so nice and funny!' while the whole time on the inside they cannot bring themselves to find you physically attractive. And even if it was true, the people who are really super ugly get absolutely fucking screwed by the natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 07:47 PM
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You know atlas is like, super red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 07:41 PM
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I like you generally, but I remember you even intentionally modified quotes that I made. People using language you consider (potentially) offensive to other people isn't against the rules, unless it's attacking a specific user (or circlejerking). how often it's been disproven? Nobody 'proves' or 'disproves' anything here. Even if they did, why would it be against the rules to say things that are factually incorrect? Gonna start handing out bans when people make mistakes or aren't aware of a new …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 07:38 PM
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First off, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What's hot to one person is a turn off to another. This is useless. People mostly like the same sorts of looks. It is perfectly plausible that someone can be so ugly that no one they ever meet would call them attractive, sexy, or any other positive descriptor.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 07:22 PM
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He said barring physical deformity Being extremely ugly can potentially count.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 07:20 PM
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Typical RPer claiming he knows exactly what all water is like. I bet you've never even seen a real glass of water. NAWILT! The water you hang out with is clearly of subpar quality! Real water isn't wet! forgive my jests pls mods
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 07:17 PM
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Not quite, I said this. I think most people who aren't completely deluded and unreasonable know that BP =! feminist given that there are even users who specifically flair themselves 'Non feminist BP'.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 04:39 PM
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I understand what you're saying, but I ask you: so what? It is better than zero evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 02:14 AM
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You want 'proof' for the saying 'All Women Are Like That'? You are going to be disappointed. That's not how such a phrase works.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 02:12 AM
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That doesn't go against anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 02:10 AM
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I interpreted OP as saying not that a woman would need to make up her mind about whether the guy was attractive, but whether she's interested in being approached and hit on at all, and if she's not interested in being approached and hit on, then she should refuse the drink (at least once).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 02:09 AM
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I have personally seen/heard cat calling that was clearly full of anger and hatred towards women. I know plenty of other people who have too. This is nothing like some bullshit homeopathic cure for cancer, it's something that's immediately observable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 02:07 AM
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The whole point of it being a thought experiment and not a real thing is that it was specifically limited in that way to make the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 02:04 AM
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Eh, I think most people who aren't completely deluded and unreasonable know that BP =! feminist given that there are even users who specifically flair themselves 'Non feminist BP'. It reminds me of the whole regulars vs. temporary participants thing. Nearly all the regulars understand the above, but a lot of temporary users don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 09:29 PM
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You said Cat-calling, for example would not be an example of misogyny as it regards no anger toward women. This is phrased as a universal claim. They are presenting evidence that it is not universally true. Their claims don't need to be 'statistical'.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 09:06 PM
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What's manspreading? Seriously? This gets referred to all the time around these parts. It's the phenomenon where men 'expand' and take up more space than they physically need; the 'spreading' part originates from men spreading their legs wide apart on trains/subways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 09:04 PM
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prejudice against women. I wrote a whole post about why prejudice shouldn't be included in our working definition of misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:53 PM
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IME this is a stereotype of feminists, not BPers specifically. Is that not what everyone else has experienced?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:49 PM
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I don't understand what you're implying here... that RPers are young?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:47 PM
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Then you trust my summary of it? It found that in Scandinavian countries, where gender equality is so strictly enforced and encouraged as to be a little disturbing, professions such as engineering and nursing are still in fact separated largely by gender, and even in some cases have a higher difference than in countries with less gender equality. They also found that even infants only days or weeks old, too young to have been influenced much by society or gender role expectations, played with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:44 PM
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Maybe it will turn out that women just intrinsically don't like some fields, but that would only be apparent in a perfectly egalitarian society. See Hjernevask, part 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 06:46 PM
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Then why did you say this I honestly don't think anyone is complaining that they get paid less for working fewer hours. when so many people are up in arms about the 77 cents myth, which with even the most basic research is shown to be almost entirely due to personal choices? People do complain about unequal pay for unequal work. Whether or not they always understand that the work is unequal is a different question, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 06:45 PM
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"should" men tell women "ill call you" when they have absolutely no intention of doing so? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 06:36 PM
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It's about plausible deniability. Same reason you say 'wanna come see my guitars' instead of 'wanna come home and fuck'. Would things be easier if nobody cared and everyone just said exactly what they meant? Sure. But people do care, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 06:33 PM
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What is the difference between your position and OPs?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 06:22 PM
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See his reply to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 07:50 PM
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no man wants to WIFE UP an old hag I'm saying his mother got married at a younger age, so it doesn't matter if she's old or 'ancient' now, since she's already married.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 06:21 PM
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Presumably she got married at a younger age and therefore his statement doesn't apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 06:10 PM
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Now I just have to find the time to invest in such a project, lol. The SGFC takes about 30 minutes to put together. The PF tek initial time investment is maybe an hour or so, then you inoculate (inject spores into the sterilized jars) and after that you have up to a month or longer of waiting (zero work). Then another 30 minutes or so to dunk (in water, 24 hours) and roll (in vermiculite), then they go in the SGFC. After that, you have to mist and fan maybe 4-6 times a day, 30-60 seconds each ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 06:02 PM
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... did you just compare the way some Red Pillers struggle to relate to women with drone strikes in Afghanistan? It's an analogy. If you can empathize/sympathize/whatever with terrorists, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to empathize/sympathize with RPers, who are generally productive members of society and not even close to terrorists. Getting rejected by a girl or cheated on by your wife is NOT equivalent to having your limb blown off in an explosion or losing family members to air raid…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 05:44 AM
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I did it and I'm pretty sure you're smarter than me. It's not really hard so much as particular; nothing is difficult to figure out, but you have to follow instructions exactly. Shotgun Fruiting Chamber tek Drill holes all over large plastic tote bin. Fill with moist perlite. Place off ground near light source (single lightbulb is fine). Done. PF tek Simplest, most common tek with highest chance of success. Total initial cost is around $50 and you can potentially yield multiple ounces, plus you …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 05:42 AM
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That's too bad, because it benefits exactly no one to approach them with vitriol, hatred, insults, etc. Do you think you could understand the viewpoint of a 'terrorist'? Perhaps someone who lives in Afghanistan grows up with regular drone strikes. All they know is some country called the US is bombing their friends or family with little regard for innocent lives. Maybe they even get their foot blown off by an explosion when they're young. You can imagine, I presume, how they might feel about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 05:27 AM
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Cognitive thinking ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:57 PM
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You calling them 'cult members' and 'either rapists or would be rapists if they could get away with it' tells me you're no better than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:55 PM
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...that was obvious sarcasm, did you miss the smiley with like six noses?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:49 PM
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So you don't discuss in good faith here, ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:48 PM
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Trouble? It was about five seconds to copy paste it. Less time than it took to write these sentences. In any case, I still maintain that all of y'all are fucking rapey. That bodes well for good faith discussion /s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:47 PM
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Oh ok, I've never heard 'having hips' referred to as being 'hippy'.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:38 PM
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You should probably not talk
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:38 PM
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I see no difference in the level of 'knowing' between random stranger met an hour ago at a party and tinder dude (who is also a random stranger met an hour ago).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:37 PM
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do you think the previous commenter walks around moping about women being in danger From the way BPers talk, it's definitely possible :------)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:36 PM
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what does 'don't be hippy' mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:34 PM
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"Whoops, we couldn't find that page"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:29 PM
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Well, you know what they say about BPers and reality
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:28 PM
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Test to see whether a trait is sexually attractive in men Question: Does PemBayliss exhibit the trait? If yes, it is sexually attractive in men. If no, it is not sexually attractive in men. :---)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:23 PM
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I like man thigh but don't be hippy. That's too feminine. que
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:22 PM
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I would not call 'just met them at a party' 'knowing' someone, at all, and I would call them effectively strangers. The risk wasn't about isolation, it was about sleeping with him (presumably spooning) on a couch after having turned down a sexual proposition. Although I don't consider what happened in that story rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:21 PM
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Most people, probably. They might be 'sad' in an abstract, intellectual sense, but most people (US at least, probably most other countries too) just don't really think about it and definitely aren't walking around literally feeling sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:18 PM
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this is the thread he's referring to
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:15 PM
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Have people become such a commodity to you that you do not see this? No, people are great, but I am highly skeptical of claims that say 'x category of person deserves special respect' when category x is not a characteristic that can be chosen or developed. It's like saying 'Americans deserve special respect for being Americans'. Seems completely absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 07:10 PM
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I also don't walk into strange alleys, enter creepy old mansions, or check out the wailing noise in the attic at midnight. what videogame do you live in? i wanna join
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 06:07 PM
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I mean, everyone is a potential rapist, except people without genitals (and even then they can still do sexual assault). tbh people should put that on their resumes 'certified potential rapist'
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:56 PM
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Did you grow your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:50 PM
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bullshit like that You're saying nobody feels that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:45 PM
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Fair point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:44 PM
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behaving badly, arguing poorly, being trolls, being pig-headed None of which is what happened here. People ask 'gotchas' and 'questions' that they think they know the answer to and are only asking to start a debate all the time here. It's not inherently bad debate to do so, either; it's perfectly possible that people doing this actually have good arguments and write them well, and in fact people do so relatively often. In any case, fighting this is like fighting the rising tide. Is it that you r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:43 PM
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just because I'm breathing you should respect me Fuck free divers!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:36 PM
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My view is that woman do reserve special respect for being woman. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:34 PM
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Right, but only mods. Not the general population of TRP. It makes sense that the upper echelons of TRP wouldn't score very low on EQ, but I suspect if it were administered at random in TRP there would be a noticeable difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:30 PM
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Not really. This is Reddit and 2 . PPD such that It seems you were asking because you are sure you already know and want to explain to others that they are wrong. is standard practice, and calling it out or whatever is futile.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:28 PM
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As I recall, there was no significant difference between RP and BP folks in terms of emotional IQ. Was the test posted to TRP or only to PPD? If the latter, then I would expect there would be little difference since it takes a certain kind of person to bother spending any significant amount of time here (whereas I would expect more difference if it was posted to TRP and TBP)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:14 PM
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When does your book come out?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:12 PM
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There's, like, four universes of difference between your caliber of BPer and the bottom tier of BPer
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:09 PM
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How could my comment possibly be construed as 'edgy'?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 05:06 PM
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It seems you were asking because you are sure you already know and want to explain to others that they are wrong. ...You do know where you are, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 02:29 AM
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mostly muscle FFMI >50%?! Teach me ur ways master
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 09:00 PM
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Red leaning purple, hate Trump. NARPALT
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:14 AM
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Marriages in which the woman earns more tend to be less happy and more likely to discuss separation. It may not be ideal, but it is reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:12 AM
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didn't believe atheists are real. like god, heh heh
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:07 AM
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I don't think so. I believe she (ze?) uses gender neutral pronouns and has BPD, but I don't think she's trans.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:04 AM
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The word you're looking for is 'sowing'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 03:57 AM
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His post was stupid, but she responded with an absolute nuclear meltdown. She seems like a raging bitch, judging from that post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 03:55 AM
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why not switch carbs and fat? also, how much do you weigh?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 06:47 AM
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o my b pls continue
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 06:46 AM
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It doesn't even say who/what the 1 in 10 is, and there's no source listed in the image, and multiple people have asked for the source on the comments of the photo but it has not been provided. It's very close to worthless as evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 02:46 AM
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Usually about 50g a day of protein from whey.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 02:43 AM
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skim milk scrub 42/22/4 Are you not using 2 scoops of whey?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:40 PM
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I called Home Depot headquarters and asked whether there were any laws against selling power tools to minors. They called around for me and found that none of the stores they called had any policy regarding this, and they don't have any corporate policy either. That means there are no state or federal laws specifically restricting sale of power tools to minors. They did say that managers in each store would use discretion in sales, so that it's not very likely they'd sell a chainsaw to a 9 year …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:22 PM
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What is going on here? Are you trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:18 PM
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But is it more advantageous being a trans woman than a man? That seems much less clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:16 PM
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I don't care about what?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:11 PM
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Haha, I'm not selling any power tools, I ask because poopinmybottom said it's illegal to sell power tools to minors and acted incredulous when I asked for a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:59 PM
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Dexamfetamine is a stimulant usually prescribed for ADHD
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:53 PM
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Threads and their content are not the same as actions and behaviors implemented in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:49 PM
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why not protein shakes? much easier to get down and is a nice variety from chicken and beef
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:42 PM
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What do you do for the Army? And what are you getting your masters in?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:41 PM
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machiavellian
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:39 PM
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Nah, that would be a restriction on the possibility of having a child, slippery slope. Consent isn't a simple thing, there's all kinds of situations where it's really not clear to anyone. Easy example, two drunk people hooking up. Consent or lack thereof depends on how drunk they each are, what they do, what they say, who initiates, whether the non-initiatior enthusiastically responds, ad infinitum. Sometimes it's not really that hard. Sometimes it is really that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:39 PM
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For a crime to be committed, does it matter at all whether she personally believes there's a legitimate threat? As in, in a case where a reasonable person might believe there's a legit threat but she personally does not, does her lack of belief matter legally? Also completely irrelevant, but do you happen to know if it's illegal to sell chainsaws/weed whackers/hedge trimmers/other such dangerous power tools to minors?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:30 PM
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http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/webdocs/pillsworth_haseltonARSR.pdf page 20, I would quote it but it's scanned poorly and not recognized as copyable text
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:22 PM
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is it really that hard? Yes, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:10 PM
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Housework/childcare is a kind of work. It should be included in any analysis of how much work people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 06:51 PM
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I googled 'mehinaku' and it came up with these results immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 06:48 PM
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Yeah, you want to dip into that sweet disability money, right? If it's found that content warnings are a net gain, then yes. You're not presenting any kind of counterargument here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 06:48 PM
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there is absolutely nothing within the entirety of the internet about the culture of this tribe. whatchu talking bout willis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehinako_people https://pib.socioambiental.org/en/povo/mehinako/785
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 02:59 AM
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Isn't he talking about housework?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 02:56 AM
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What you're saying is statically true of course but doesn't ring true for me. It isn't an iron clad rule that applies in all situations Are you just trying to tell as many people as possible how special you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 01:53 AM
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you're likely causing your audience to view your message less favorably due to your strategy. can confirm
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 01:52 AM
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I could write a long post about all the factors I'm thinking about around this, but instead... tldr could not care less
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 01:50 AM
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Everyone else already pays for disability services on college campuses. Construction of ramps, elevators, automatic door buttons, transport services for physically disabled or injured students, general mental health services and counseling, crisis centers, suicide and crisis hotlines, panic buttons, assistive technology (speech to text and vice versa, screen magnifying software, etc.), assistive listening devices, note taking services, test accommodations, ad infinitum. I haven't yet seen any go…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 01:48 AM
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Oh, I was thinking they were being bought in person
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 01:06 AM
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Go to Crossfit (don't judge) Do you do kipping pullups? Do you do crazy, dangerous, stupid WODs like overhead squatting on half bosu balls? Do you do speed deadlifts?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 10:01 PM
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What actually useful exercise isn't hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 09:59 PM
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Nobody said the purchasing of the shoes was conducted efficiently or without interruption 8)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 09:57 PM
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congrats!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 09:52 PM
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If we can do something relatively minor that would help them be able to get through it, why wouldn't we? And again, I'm not saying content should be changed, nor that people who seriously can't get through their required courses should be able to get the curriculum modified for their concerns. If someone just can't get through essential material, then that's too bad, and they should try to get some help so they can try again later. So I agree with you to some extent for sure. But if someone can …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 09:41 PM
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Up until the 70s, men spent on average a minute a day with their kids. Really? Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 09:19 PM
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I like your name
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 09:18 PM
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I'm not proposing anything be done by writers or publishers, only by a separate collegiate organization. I would also advocate making it very clear that no writer should be expected to 'tone down' their writing or otherwise modify it in any way. Just because some people have triggers certainly does not mean the content itself should be reworked to their specifications. I'll be clear. If you're deaf, being a musician's not for you. If you're in a wheelchair, being a professional gymnast's not for…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 09:15 PM
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'Accurate' as in historically factually accurate? Obviously not. 'Meaningful'? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 09:02 PM
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re 21 Yes, I definitely agree that any viewpoint such as 'the majority of rape allegations reported to police are false' is absurd and unsupported by any solid evidence. And I agree that TRP/MGTOW overblow the likelihood of being falsely accused. I think feminists and BPers downplay it too much in general, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 09:01 PM
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But you believe it's meaningful or accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:44 AM
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astrology Why do you believe in pseudoscience when you criticize RP for being the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:40 AM
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Conclusion: everyone is a filthy hypocrite
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:38 AM
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does that mean I won't get your collection of bloodstained rand books?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:32 AM
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grandma pls
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:18 AM
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savage
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:12 AM
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I found a serious, relevant essay, finally. http://www.forensicpsychology.org/VeraldiVeraldiTriggerWarningsHandout.pdf They talk about educators removing potentially triggering content from the curriculum; I very much do not advocate this, and in fact would oppose it strongly. Avoidance of distressing memories, after all, is a symptom of PTSD—not a cure for PTSD. In treating PTSD among veterans, Veterans Affairs hospitals today widely use prolonged exposure therapy, which the VA claims is highly…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:06 AM
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In either case, a veteran that's walking into a movie knows what he is walking in to and is prepared for it. How does he know? It is likely that he knows because a rating group watched the film and provided a warning as to what the content was, or that he read some summary that delineated the content. All I'm arguing for is content warnings so that people can do exactly what you said; know what they're getting into and prepare for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 02:57 AM
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They could have seen contextual elements of the crime, but anyway, since neither of us has even the slightest idea of what actually was testified about, perhaps we shouldn't make assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 02:54 AM
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Sure, but you used 'people are superficial' as reasoning against having any sympathy for the men who call out the double standard of creepiness, not as a reason why there is the double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 02:24 AM
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I'll start doing that, but seriously, why not just link the studies? Or if that's too hard, give me some authors names to work with. I'm going to do my own digging, but nobody is gaining anything by you not expediting the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 02:15 AM
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But your point that this should really be solved by therapy and not a blanket ban is well taken. That's why I said I'm not comfortable yet with requiring alternative assignments. I don't disagree that sometimes potentially triggering material might be required to pass the course, and if someone really can't deal with it, they're going to have to find some other course or some other teacher that works for them and the degree requirements. The above comment agrees with the point put forth in the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 02:01 AM
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So does that mean you agree with my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:56 AM
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I did attempt to look up legal restrictions on sales of power tools. I was not surprised to find it's not a super clear concept. And for real, you just keep saying 'of course it's illegal' with zero evidence to back it up, and you just assume I'll go along with it. Either put up or shut up. You know what my central point is, and you have ignored it. Apparently not. Perhaps you could be so kind as to restate it for me. Why did you start this CMV? It's not a CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:46 AM
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Personal opinion: being a virgin by choice (saving til marriage or whatever) is never 'weird' and these people are not 'losers' or anything like that. Being a virgin not by choice (you've tried and failed), for an adult, is a little bit weird. I wouldn't call such a person a 'loser' or 'creepy' or anything like that, but I would call them weird (as in, not normal). Not personal opinion: According to the CDC, about 4% of males aged 25-29 are virgins as of 2008. So I'd classify it as somewhat abno…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:42 AM
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Ah okay. It's still a poor analogy because it's not people thinking it's creepy but being like 'eh, he's super attractive so I'm going to stay silent about it'. It really seems more like it's just not even considered creepy at all if the person is attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:35 AM
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Also, asking for a source on whether chainsaws can be sold to minors? You are not arguing in good faith. 9-year-olds cannot buy chainsaws. I am arguing in good faith. I looked around for legal restrictions regarding the sale of power tools and could not find anything that resembled actual legal sources. I'm sure any minor could potentially be refused sale of anything at the point of purchase just because the clerk/manager deems it irresponsible, but I'm asking whether it's actually against the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:34 AM
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You're no longer even engaging with the issue we're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:25 AM
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Here is a post from the American Psychological Association saying there's no research yet on trigger warnings in the psychological literature. There's this article titled 'The problem with trigger warnings according to the research'. But three of their five points are about the prevalence of PTSD and how fast people typically recover from it, which is tangential to trigger warnings at best. Their fourth point is that confronting triggers is the best way to solve the problem; I talked about why I…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:24 AM
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Um, sure, but talking to people with headphones in is hugely different from beating pets.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:02 AM
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All people are potential rapists. these people are saying that rape is/was the primary mode of reproduction Uh, who is saying it is currently the primary mode of reproduction? Whether it was at some point the primary mode of reproduction, I don't know, and probably none of us commenting here have the requisite history knowledge to have a good, informed opinion on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 01:01 AM
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Why would publishers add the warnings if they weren't mandatory? What? I said that the warnings will not be 'comprehensive' (or 'exhaustive' if you prefer). This research exists. Let's see it then If you like, I'll write one and pop up a website and we can see how popular it is. I bet many people would utilize such a tool.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 12:44 AM
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These same type of men will put down ugly/fat women and pedestalize the pretty ones, then turn around and whine when women have the same biases. You're just assuming that out of hand. Treat the topic we're talking about on its own, don't implicitly associate it with unrelated shitty behavior/attitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 12:42 AM
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People are ideologically opposed to many ideas that would require trigger warnings. But the warnings themselves are irrelevant to their opposition. They'd still be opposed whether there were content warnings or not. it is illegal to sell them to minors. Source? Even if you are right, just replace 'chainsaw' with 'blender' or 'knife sharpener' or 'lawnmower'. All of these also have warnings all over them, safety guidelines, etc. and are definitely not restricted, nor is anyone attempting to restr…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 12:41 AM
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Say you hit on someone in a somewhat socially uncalibrated manner (uncalibrated as in awkward, not as in rapey or aggressive or ill-intentioned). Is calling that creepy, or calling the person a creep, acceptable? Or say you hit on someone in a normal way, but for whatever reason, you get a nuclear rejection. Is calling that creepy, or calling the person a creep, acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 12:26 AM
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The point he's making is that the exact same action is seen as creepy/unwanted just because the person isn't attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 12:12 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A While the majority of it didn't really approach 'harassment' to me, it definitely was not just guys saying hi.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 12:10 AM
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The added expense Which is why I proposed conducting research on efficacy and practicality before implementing any kind of content warning system. Fiscal responsibility is important. You necessarily introduce consequences for missing warnings Include in every warning that the warning will not be comprehensive. Include in terms of attendance/registration that the university can never be held liable for content warnings and that students are ultimately entirely responsible for communicating with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 12:06 AM
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There are warnings on coffee cups: 'Caution: Contents are hot and may cause burns.' Nobody is saying coffee is dangerous or that it should be banned. Same thing with thousands of other products. For example, chainsaws have warning stickers all over them, instruction manuals with pages of warnings and cautionary instructions, safety guidelines, etc. Nobody would try to ban chainsaws just because they can be dangerous. And there are also warnings on all video games, movies, music, and podcasts. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 12:01 AM
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I had a job steadily since I was 13. And I've been working since I was 10, and I'm a legal adult college student, and I wouldn't classify myself as a colloquial 'adult'. Anyone could colloquially define 'adult' to include or exclude whatever they want. Yes, they could, but I'm talking about what people typically intend to bring to mind when they say 'adult'. In my experience, nobody ever means '18-22 year old people in college' when they say 'adults'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 11:57 PM
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I'll take my whitecishet privilege elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 11:54 PM
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Thanks for your service. PTSD will not cause you to go berserk. By that I meant have a flashback or a dissociative experience or something of that nature. Just because you/people you know don't have any issues with reading material or verbal discussion doesn't mean no one does. And while I'm not sure I included it in the OP, required movies would also have content warnings; would you say you or anyone else could not be triggered by movies?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 11:53 PM
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I don't know what they saw, what they think they saw, or what they testified to, but multiple people testifying is different from 'it's just her story'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 11:51 PM
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College students are typically being helped out financially by parents, and many are still dependents. Many of them have never lived on their own. They don't have real world experience. Many students are really not very different from when they were 17 and not adults; there are also lots of college students who are not 18 (I was one for a while). The legal term 'adult' and the colloquial term 'adult' are not identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 10:37 PM
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Do you really have nothing better to do than to write long post about trigger warnings? You have nothing better to do than read long posts about trigger warnings? We're all wasting time on reddit, friend. The main reason I post here is to test out my own thoughts and arguments and perspectives on other smart people. If my arguments get completely wrecked, then I have to reflect on whether I should continue to believe whatever I'm arguing for. And you think other people should waste money and tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 10:33 PM
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Legally, sure. But they're not really 'adults' in the typically intended sense of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 10:20 PM
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That sounds sarcastic, but I don't know exactly what you're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:58 PM
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Oh wow. I was kind of surprised that you'd say something like that but, you know, Poe's law and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:57 PM
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First, probably Second, it was not 'just the girl's story'. There were other witnesses who testified in support of her story. Third, a significant majority of reported rapes never go to trial typically due to insufficient evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:56 PM
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Because the military will be the one defending all these infrastructures if it came down to an actual coordinated attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:48 PM
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So you don't have any argument against content warnings as a concept, you just don't like them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:47 PM
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Did you read my post? It feels like you didn't read my post. I specifically said that these warnings should be tiny, not obvious, and located on the bullshit/copyright page that nobody ever reads, so that only people who are really genuinely concerned about them will have to look for/read them. they ruin the feel of reading I really question your implication that it's better to avoid occasional minor 'ruining' of the 'feel of reading' than to avoid people having severe, unexpected, traumatic exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:46 PM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:44 PM
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Did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:43 PM
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If a case 'hinges on a single person's testimony' then it would appear to be a he said she said kind of case and it probably won't even be accepted by a prosecutor for lack of evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:43 PM
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And, what, you think we don't also have loads of computer engineers and software engineers and such working for the military and other gov't branches? With some of the best education and access to resources? If the US ever collapses, it will be primarily internal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:59 PM
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If we're concerned about 'multiculturalism' then we're already boned given how stupidly diverse the US is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:52 PM
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240 is not 'several hundred'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:51 PM
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We are being destroyed by Mexico ? massive influxes of illegals The number of Mexican illegals in the country has declined by about 1 million since 2007. What 'influx' are you talking about? We have no national culture anymore. I can think of a dozen examples of things I associate strongly with 'American culture'. American culture is also highly influential around the world. I don't know what you mean by 'we have no national culture'. We don't have the morale to fight a full on full scale conven…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:50 PM
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I don't have a view on the OP itself, but there's a difference between recognizing the nature of rape and actually treating all men as though they're seconds away from raping random women in the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:40 PM
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we are just one invading army away Our defense spending is more than the next ten countries combined, and most of them are allies. We have two massive oceans on either side, plus an incredibly docile country to the north and a relatively small border to the south with a crippled Mexico (also both allies). We have the most nuclear weapons, the biggest air force (in fact, the biggest two air forces - the Air Force air force and the Navy air force), and more than half of the world's aircraft carrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:37 PM
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in the US for the past several hundred years ...When do you think the US was founded?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:33 PM
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You're a TERF and an RPW? That seems... contradictory
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:31 PM
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This whole debate seems to boil down to misunderstandings and miscommunications of the ought/is distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:21 PM
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I mean, remember when that woman was fired from her job for "facebook bullying" (unfriending) a co-worker? It's a perfectly legal thing to do and she still lost her job. She wasn't fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:01 PM
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I watched the actual video this refers to CNN portrayed the boys as "very good students" with "promising futures". The news anchor even went so far as to say that it will "haunt them for the rest of their lives". The way CNN presented the rape made it seem like the victim was the one in the wrong and the two boys did not deserve the punishment for their crime. This is a mischaracterization of the reporting. The phrases 'very good students' and 'promising futures' were used, but they were in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:51 PM
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Show me one statistic that shows tracking of outcome of rape cases after arrest occurs. I have never seen one. It's on our own depth hub... https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/42x6y2/the_making_a_difference_project_and_the/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:37 PM
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I don't have any triggers, so let's get that straight. I don't have ANY responsibility for YOUR triggers Right. Nobody's asking you to do anything. I don't want YOUR triggers interfering with my education or entertainment How is that going to happen if we introduce unobtrusive content warnings? I won't take any responsibility for keeping you safe from triggers. Again, nobody asked you to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:33 PM
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You are simply being disingenuous by suggesting otherwise. What did I suggest? I've done nothing but ask questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:32 PM
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that is strong evidence that the story is not true. I get why you would say this, but didn't a significant portion of the document explain why victims of crimes, especially sexual crimes, are often somewhat haphazard in their recall, and not always able to detail a perfectly chronological account of what happened? I mean, you even say this this is the case with ANY story you tell. It's natural. So people misremembering slightly and getting minor details mixed up in regards to any crime is 'stron…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:31 PM
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Okay, that makes sense. I would presume that people with such triggers would try to figure out how they can either control their reactions acceptably or else find a path in which they won't be horribly triggered over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:26 PM
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You are making so many assumptions based on so little information. You again say vulnerable There's nothing to suggest she was 'vulnerable'. Vulnerability is a relative descriptor, and there's no reason to think she was any more vulnerable than the other perhaps dozen girls sleeping in the house. threatened by his rapey actions. Such a stretch. If just getting on top of women I've already described why your assumption about 'on top of' is just as valid or invalid as my assumption about 'on top o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:25 PM
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I don't think content warnings for books would have anywhere near the same effect, because if we take your example of movie studios working very hard to get into a specific rating section (PG, PG13), there's no corollary here. So far, I wouldn't say that we should warn in categories of severity, but only in categories of content, which would avoid the problem you describe. There should be no restriction on what's available, and these warnings should not disincentivize content producers from maki…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:22 PM
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Wow. That's some next level delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 06:18 PM
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Separate fantasy and realistic. And add a rough number of how intense the scene is. I think these are both good suggestions, but the latter is likely unrealistic to seek, practically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 05:19 AM
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Can you tell me where this is said police are to avoid corroborating evidence because it can be used by the defense. Police are instructed to limit investigating exculpatory evidence and limit interviews since they can uncover discrepancies. with a specific area/section in the blueprint?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 05:11 AM
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congrats!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:49 AM
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Looking at figure 3.1, it seems that campus patrol officers do not in fact have anything to do with the criminal justice process beyond the initial response and basic fact-finding.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:48 AM
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tall well shit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:24 AM
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He wouldn't have needed to harm the child to fight back. He could have punched her in the face, or grappled with her to attempt some sort of hold or lock, or pushed her off and ran, ad infinitum. Maybe a link for more context would help
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:20 AM
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I suspect they don't understand that you're a lawyer. It's quite amusing seeing you utterly wreck their reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:11 AM
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Your article does not support the claim that police are to avoid corroborating evidence because it can be used by the defense. Police are instructed to limit investigating exculpatory evidence and limit interviews since they can uncover discrepancies. in criminal cases, unless I'm misreading or misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:08 AM
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Do you have an actual argument or reasoning or are you so biased and set in your position that you won't even engage in good faith debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:07 AM
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Wanting to maximize utility and minimize suffering is 'being a pussy'? Sign me up
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:05 AM
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Even if it never happened, which is an absurd claim, it was intended as a thought experiment. Also, no need for personal attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:04 AM
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I would hardly classify a chant that clearly appears to be jocular as an indication of 'rape culture', and the fact that it was shut down and the students mandated to attend sensitivity classes etc. demonstrates that the administration, and the wider culture, was not okay with their actions. Such an absurd stretch to classify a song like 'Blurred Lines' as contributing to rape culture. When I first heard the song, I took it to be a commentary/quasi-satire about the modern hookup and binge drinki…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 03:59 AM
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So rape culture doesn't exist anywhere? Even in certain Middle Eastern, African, or south Asian countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 03:05 AM
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I think they should not be included in required course materials. If the materials are required, then they are required for everyone. If you can't handle the content, then you don't pass the course. That's why I said I'm not comfortable yet with requiring alternative assignments. I don't disagree that sometimes potentially triggering material might be required to pass the course, and if someone really can't deal with it, they're going to have to find some other course or some other teacher that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 03:02 AM
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They are not the same. Warnings about temperature are generally present for liability purposes, unlike content warnings. Let me give you this scenario: a male veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is going to college. In his English class, one of the required readings is a book with graphic depictions of violence, or perhaps bombs going off. The first time he encounters this, unaware that it will happen, he experiences a flashback and goes berserk in a public area. Would he not have been bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 03:00 AM
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If you wish to work in a field where there are likely to be triggers in your everyday workplace, you will have a very hard time doing your job. Life does not come with trigger warnings. I addressed that argument in the post. I don't advocate content warnings in occupations, just required college reading material. Some schools are no longer allowing students to clap because the noise is difficult for a small number of students. I can only find one school in Australia that bans clapping, and it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 02:56 AM
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I was thinking more like a definitive, specific study of how triggers impact students academically, socially, etc. and a study of which specific triggers in books are the most common. A particular disorder might have multiple things that can trigger it; the reason for studying the most common triggers is that those are the ones that will be most useful to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 02:51 AM
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If they did their research and legitimately came to a consensus that content warnings didn't work, I'd respect that position and accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 01:03 AM
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There's no reason I couldn't believe that most media outlets were slanted against feminism, trivialized rape, used bad numbers/stats that suggested rape was incredibly rare, etc. if that's most of what I saw/read/heard/experienced. But it's not. The very concept we're arguing over ('rape culture') is clearly a difficult concept to quantify or distinguish easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 11:21 PM
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I know that campus rape/sexual assault tribunals use a lower standard of evidence (preponderance) compared to criminal trials (reasonable doubt). You didn't say 'campus' or 'college' in your original comment though, so it seemed like you meant it in terms of actual criminal courts, which isn't supported by that article.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 11:14 PM
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I would question the characterization of 'nearly passed out', and besides that make the point that she reciprocated his kissing and then continued on to have sex, which means clearly within a very short period of time she was back to fully awake and aware. And well "he got on top of me" is pretty obvious that he got on top of her. If it was just his arm she would have said "he put his arm on me", but no she actually said that he got on top of her. You're just assuming that. There are any number …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 11:09 PM
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Plenty of mainstream sites use dubious numbers and discredited studies/numbers such as the 77 cents on the dollar trope and the 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 inflation. I'm also looking at the tone and bias of mainstream media outlets; my opinion is that they tend to be favorable to feminist views.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 11:05 PM
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I have a significant problem with many, if not most, of the points made there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 09:47 PM
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I'm thinking more about articles that, for example, pooh-pooh concerns about false rape accusations, or use inflated, highly dubious numbers about the prevalence of rape, articles that call for, advocate, defend, or demand affirmative (or enthusiastic affirmative) consent to be the default standard, articles that support the April 4th Directive/campus rape tribunals, etc. along with the generally sympathetic treatment of rape victims and generally unsympathetic treatment (read: demonization, con…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 09:41 PM
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So where are we when I make the negative side of the claim based on the same things?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 09:27 PM
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Can you link to these guidelines?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 09:19 PM
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A rape accusation is not held to the same due process as all other crimes, even murder. Evidence is not corroborated by law enforcement, only by the defense attorney at trial. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 08:57 PM
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because the things i mentioned are really common across the United States I question on what basis you make that claim. I would also point out that we should differentiate between what individuals or small groups believe and what the overarching cultural zeitgeist is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 08:55 PM
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Of course, but for RPers who do adhere to some sort of morality that would say that sort of thinking is wrong (most of them, I assume, do so - just because TRP itself is amoral doesn't mean the people who read/apply it don't have morality of their own) it's also inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 07:43 PM
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But nobody says 'in my specific city/town/area, there is a rape culture'. They say 'we live in a rape culture' or 'we have a rape culture' or 'the US needs to stop this rape culture we have'. Articles about rape culture don't claim 'well it's only in a few places, not everywhere, the typical culture isn't rape culture' etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 07:36 PM
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Or 'of course that woman could easily be a divorce rapist; she's a woman after all' :---)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 07:31 PM
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Can one debate rationally while being angry? Can one debate rationally while not being angry? If the answer to both of those is yes, and I think it is, then anger is irrelevant to ability to have a rational debate, and therefore saying it 'dilutes' the ability isn't correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 07:27 PM
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Those cultures might be present there, but that's not same as saying 'we live in an X culture', which implies that the culture at large is X culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 07:26 PM
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The point was that 'exposure therapy' isn't just done haphazardly with real danger involved. Also, there is such a thing as sex therapy/sex therapists. So if you have problems with sex, you should get therapy, possibly sex therapy, to prepare yourself, and then you slowly expose yourself over time in controlled situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 07:25 PM
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but if we're using culture to mean "ideas and values of a people" then yes, i suppose we do, since the ideas above still exist and are prevalent in a lot of places. The idea that immigrants and minorities are destroying our country, or that liberals want to take away all our guns and force us to live in a socialist dystopia exist and are prevalent in a lot of places. Do we therefore live in an 'anti-immigrant, anti-minority culture' or an 'anti-liberal' culture? The idea that whites are the supe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:53 PM
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Exposure in a carefully controlled setting, typically with a trained psychiatrist/psychologist/therapist. Not random uncontrolled exposure with no guarantee of safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:47 PM
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You assuming her state of sleepiness was 'half asleep' or 'on the verge of passing out' has just as much justification as assuming her state was 'completely awake with eyes closed'. Same sort of deal with 'on top'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:43 PM
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Do we live in a 'rape culture' in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:39 PM
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"the norm" for men to commit sexual assaults. 'The norm' meaning it's considered okay, or that it's considered relatively common? There is "rape culture" in North America, but we do not live in a rape culture. Please explain
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:36 PM
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I never said I thought that a reasonable person would fear being raped in the stated situation. I only said that that is the standard at which it would be judged legally, not the standard of 'were you actually in danger of being raped'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:34 PM
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Not really. You said this If she tells you no in "no uncertain terms" then no, its not on her at that point its on you. All you're saying here is that it's on [pem] to stop trying to escalate/hook up with/have sex with the girl. You didn't say anything at all about never talking to her, breaking apartment lease, moving away, etc. Pem said 'if I'm to listen to you, I have to [do all that]'. There's no slippery slope. There's no reason anyone would be under any kind of obligation to 'never speak t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:18 PM
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Ah ok. Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:08 PM
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One thing that has been continually stated incorrectly in the comments so far is that 'she was asleep'. This is false: I was trying to sleep Trying to sleep is not the same as being asleep. Other things that are not as obvious are the fact that saying 'we're not going to have sex' makes no statement about kissing, fondling, petting, oral, etc. Saying 'we're not going to have sex' is not the same thing as refusing some escalation, like saying 'no' when someone tries to touch you. And lastly, we s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:06 PM
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Slippery slope fallacy. It's a straw man, not a slippery slope.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:55 PM
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we know there's an increasing issue of incels and undersexed betas Do we? I won't say I necessarily disagree, but it'd be a much more compelling argument if we actually knew this for a fact and weren't just claiming it to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:53 PM
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Well, a kiss is the same as starting to make out. Making out as an action is a more continuous thing as you say, but it starts with one kiss. re forcing tongue into mouth Yeah, that's more than 'just a kiss', and it's also a bullshit exaggeration by BDTY.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:51 PM
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the perpetrator is actively threatening someone's life by waving around a gun There is no actual danger. Nobody is actually in danger of anything, as the gun isn't loaded. That's the whole point of the analogy, because you said this She felt threatened, that doesn't necessarily mean that she was. She thought that he might rape her, that doesn't necessarily mean he was going to. I'm saying it doesn't matter if she was actually, literally, in danger of being raped (in danger of being shot in the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:49 PM
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Lack of verbal or physical resistance or submission resulting from the use of force, threat of force, or placing another person in fear does not constitute consent. I think it would be very difficult to argue successfully for any of those criteria in this case. The closest would be 'placing another person in fear', but this is somewhat vague, and if taken at face value, could make a case where a person initiated sex but felt fear before and during a case of rape on the part of the person who did…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:46 PM
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Good thing she wasn't asleep then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:35 PM
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So you tell someone that you aren't going to have sex with them Which has no bearing on whether or not making out, fondling, oral, etc. are okay or going to happen. go to sleep Nope. She says she was 'trying to sleep'. Not asleep. wake up Nope with them on top of you They were lying down together on a couch before this. How do we know 'on top' doesn't mean some variation of his arm or leg laying over/on her? It seems highly unlikely that this would even approach a 'full bodyweight pressing down'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:34 PM
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But then he got on top of me and kissed me while I was trying to sleep. Is that not him starting to make out with her? genuinely curious here, I don't understand why that's not 'him starting to make out with her'
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:21 PM
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vulnerable girls. How exactly was this a 'vulnerable girl'?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:17 PM
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How is the law written in most places then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:11 PM
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I don't think it was rape and I generally agree with your POV, but we should keep in mind that in terms of criminal law, it doesn't matter whether you're actually in danger of being raped/beaten/robbed/killed etc. Typically the standard is 'did you think you were in danger of X' and also 'would a reasonable person in your position think they were in danger of X'. Otherwise, you could take somebody hostage at gunpoint, say you're going to kill them (but really you aren't, the gun isn't loaded), l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:58 PM
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Did we read the same post? BDTB appeared perfectly calm and rational in his comment, are you just goading him?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:54 PM
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Just wanted to say you've presented some really good arguments in this thread, keep it up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:50 PM
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you havent "quantified how angry TRP is as typically stated here" which would be the actual necessary first step. TRP is considered very angry here. Done. This is just meaningless psuedo science that proves and means nothing. Saying things over and over doesn't make them true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:38 PM
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How does it 'dilute' it? You can be angry on a meta level, control yourself, and have a perfectly rational debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:37 PM
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Shaming people 'isn't going to hurt'? That's a new one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:34 PM
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I think the point that women can't empathize with the male experience (and I assume vice versa) because they're not actually men and can't get the context is specious. I don't think you need to be part of a group experiencing some harm to be able to empathize perfectly well with them, such as a specific gender, race, religion, etc. Just because you don't have an experience doesn't mean you can't fully intellectually understand it as part of a wider context. Although I will say I took the OPs wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 06:11 AM
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I get what you're saying, but 87% of comments had something to offer besides insults/slurs/being offensive or shocking or whatever. That's a significant majority. That in itself is weak evidence for his hypothesis. I agree that a comparison among similar subs is much better evidence, but this isn't no evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:32 AM
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You think they aren't already doing something about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:23 AM
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https://therationalmale.com/2013/11/13/empathy/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 05:19 AM
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We need a comparison point vs. other subs Why? We know how TRP is portrayed here. Comparing to other subs could be useful, but it's not necessary. This post is in fact weak evidence for his hypothesis. We can argue about how weak, but it is nonzero positive evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:31 AM
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constant crisis awareness This seems relatively normal as a form of persuasive writing in my view. It's really a lot less effective to be very controlled and moderate, saying 'well, not everyone thinks this bad thing, and it's really not a huge problem and it's probably getting better, but maybe we could start challenging this bad idea' as opposed to using more strong and decisive wording. There's also disagreement on a case by case basis as to what merits an 'awareness' and what merits a 'crisi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:29 AM
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I see no harm on shaming them. So are you saying you're fine with shaming people when there's no chance it'll help them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:06 AM
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Well, apparently Rollo's piece says women need to 'learn' empathy and that it is 'difficult' for them to experience. And as far as I'm aware, Rollo is typically considered one of the greats of RP philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:05 AM
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Statistical was the wrong word, I apologize. What I should have said was that the statement was not quantitative. I am not committing the sharpshooter fallacy. Here is what I said originally Cushing syndrome can only cause 30lbs of overweightness? Hypothyroidism? PCOS? The above statement was questioning why you said this There is absolutely no medical disease that causes someone to be more than over 30 pounds overweight. It doesn't matter what the typical cause of obesity is, you stated that no…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 11:27 PM
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I said it was plausible, not common.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 11:11 PM
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You said The vast majority of all obesity is related to self induced causes in America. Your source doesn't talk about the disease and genetic aspects of obesity. It says 'generally, obesity is caused by eating too much and moving too little'. That's not a statistical statement, and it doesn't support your use of the phrase 'vast majority'. I believe the person making the hysterical claim that obesity is almost always caused by unpreventable medical disorders should be the one providing the sour…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 11:04 PM
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No, I think it's completely plausible that one could be rated a 2 without a serious physical deformity (besides obesity).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 10:53 PM
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I guess morbid obesity with zero fashion sense and terrible hygiene to ripped with great style and impeccable grooming could do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 08:33 PM
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All men lie about their history of baby activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 08:32 PM
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Both boys and girls selected ideal shapes for adolescent and adult females that were thinner than those for males of the same age. This seems completely obvious. Women tend to be smaller and thinner than men, especially at low-moderate BF%.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 08:31 PM
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The vast majority of all obesity is related to self induced causes in America. Source? I don't necessarily disagree, but we should have reliable sources before claiming something like this. There is absolutely no medical disease that causes someone to be more than over 30 pounds overweight. According to what/who? Cushing syndrome can only cause 30lbs of overweightness? Hypothyroidism? PCOS?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 08:29 PM
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His post and methodology are basically the first even slightly rigorous attempt to look at the level of anger in TRP. 'Cock carousel' is only profanity. I can say it right now and feel nothing. It's perfectly possible to use it without anger. Sorry bub but as much as you might have tried this hardly qualifies as objective, meaningful social science He's not claiming that he conducted a rigorous scientific study with results he can submit to a paper. He conducted an ad hoc informal survey of a sn…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 08:23 PM
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Just from these articles, I would say my original thoughts as to the cause are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 08:08 PM
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I don't disagree, and personally I'd love it if shaming fat people worked well because at a visceral level fat people disgust me. But alas, it doesn't, and I'm a slave to utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 07:59 PM
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That's fine, but it's a separate claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 07:58 PM
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Links? A cursory googling of your claims turned up a few short articles/videos that seem extremely unreliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 07:57 PM
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Men and women think trigger warnings are for pussies. Some do, some don't. What if the author does not want a trigger warning? Who cares what the author wants? The author is completely unaffected by content warnings. We already don't accept this argument for video games, movies, music, etc. so why would we accept it for books? Censorship Content warnings are the opposite of censorship. Censorship would be 'this opinion might be offensive, so you can't share/air it'. Content warnings say 'we're w…
/r/MensRights28/08/16 07:56 PM
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There is no need to bend all of society to capitulate to the needs of the weak. Your bar for 'bending all of society' includes adding tiny text for a few most common triggers such as graphic violence, graphic rape, etc. to an almost always skipped page on a book, or to the end of a syllabus, or as a verbal comment, depending on the professor's preference? That's an extremely low bar. We dont need to put "mazuza's" in every building in america incase an easily offended jew shows up: now, is that …
/r/MensRights28/08/16 06:14 AM
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Shaming does not work as well at preventing (at least) obesity as not shaming. If you're advocating for shaming, you're advocating for a worse outcome overall. Although your comment does come off trollish, I can't tell for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 05:54 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 05:36 AM
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I have no problem with trigger warnings, so long as you are able to see that people that need them need them! ... So you think trigger warnings should be put in place, because there are people who need them? People who depend on trigger warnings are weak and dependent and advertise themselves as "Strong and independent". I think you are conflating people with actual disorders, PTSD and such, who legitimately experience panic attacks from triggers, and 'social justice warriors' who just want safe…
/r/MensRights28/08/16 05:23 AM
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It might seem like that is the case Seem like what is the case? I'd like to see the source on that, especially given that I'm a US child of a Caribbean immigrant. My preliminary thoughts - it makes perfect sense, because people who migrate in the current day from Africa/the Caribbean/most other countries to the US are those who have the most wealth and general success and are likely to be among the most intelligent of the people in their area of origin. I have seen this sort of thing play out in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 05:20 AM
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Do women possess the trait called 'empathy'? Yes, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (this one is interesting - it suggests differences in empathy between men and women are due to motivation and not inherent ability), 6, 7, 8. Some studies have found no difference in empathy between genders, but this still goes against the view that women are 'incapable of empathy' or that it is 'very difficult'. Many of these studies were performed on young children; even in these studies, girls are commonly found to be more empath…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 05:11 AM
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Intelligence. It should be noted that this is very far from being settled science, and the best position overall (for now) is that we aren't totally sure what the relationship is between race and IQ (see the first post in the below thread) Read through this thread Here is Wikipedia on race and intelligence. Besides (possibly) intelligence, there are many other real genetic differences between races; see race and genetics and race and health. Soon genome sequencing will be cheap enough to perform…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 04:59 AM
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So you have no real argument? That's unfortunate. I was looking forward to having my view well-challenged and possibly even changed.
/r/MensRights28/08/16 04:47 AM
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https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2014/06/27/jailed-false-accuser-draws-feminist-support/ The judge sentenced Brooker to three and a half years [for false accusation of rape], which prompted outrage from feminists: The support and campaign group Women Against Rape (WAR) was among more than a dozen organisations and lawyers who wrote to the judge arguing that a harsh sentence would put women off coming forward to report rapes for fear they would not be believed. They wrote: “The prosecution was no…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 04:46 AM
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'I have a bridge to sell you' is an idiom that means, generally, whatever you just said is obviously false and that you are naive for believing it (hence, you would be naive enough to 'buy' a bridge). Anyway, do you have a reputable source/sources for your statements about Ms Baloch? As far as I can tell these are false rumors, not facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 04:03 AM
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He should not be shamed. He should be told explicitly what he is doing wrong. Shaming tends to make problems worse (even obesity, which is really a shame, heh heh). If one can be told explicitly, without excessive negative judgment, what they are doing wrong, they will be better off overall than one who is shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 03:59 AM
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People use the term "trigger" in the context of words that they cant handle as if they are the victims of violence. What do you mean, 'as if'? Plenty of people are victims of violence and rape. Also, do you understand what happens when (some) people are triggered? Some experience flashbacks, and others experience full blown panic attacks. Sure, some people abuse the word and are really just made slightly uncomfortable by 'triggers', but others have genuine, uncontrollable, extremely unpleasant r…
/r/MensRights28/08/16 03:57 AM
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Who decides what deserves a warning and what doesn't? Who decides when warnings get used? Could be individual colleges, but I'd say the best solution would be either state regulation or use a national collegiate organization to take suggestions, debate, come up with proposals, etc. Shouldn't we strive to be less puritanical/sensitive, not more accommodating of the increasingly few who wish to remain so? I'm thinking about something like an English course which will have books depicting graphic v…
/r/MensRights28/08/16 03:39 AM
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Why don't you tell me what your issue is with such warnings? Is it really so hard to believe that someone might want to hear full fledged arguments against their use?
/r/MensRights28/08/16 03:18 AM
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weak women back home of the same age are dependent on "trigger warnings" Taboo the term 'trigger warning'. Replace with 'content warning' or 'concise notice of potentially disturbing material ahead'. What's the problem?
/r/MensRights27/08/16 07:32 PM
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You still haven't even said what survey, conducted by who, or where. It also appears to be off by at least an order of magnitude. Large enough surveys, conducted properly, can be reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 04:04 PM
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It's from a survey. What survey? I'm telling you it makes absolutely no sense given how uncommon rape actually is. There's also a big difference between actually having charges filed/police notified etc. and someone just sort of implying it or claiming it to save face among friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 03:38 PM
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It just doesn't make any sense at all. The total rape rate (including both men and women) has been around 1 per 1,000 for at least a decade, if not longer. 10% of men out of 1,000 would be about 49. So there would have to be more than 40x as many false accusations as actual (claimed) rapes. That seems extremely unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 04:13 AM
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That's bullshit (the feminist groups, not the article)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 03:58 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophily http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ According to Gallup polls, about 46% of Americans are creationists. Not just in the sense of believing God helped guide evolution. I mean they think evolution is a vile atheist lie and God created humans exactly as they exist right now. That’s half the country. And I don’t have a single one of those people in my social circle. It’s not because I’m deliberately avoiding them; …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 03:48 AM
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TRP is alt right, alt right is TRP. I lean red and vehemently disagree with the alt right. Many other RP and PP posters here also don't really agree with the alt right. I've also seen plenty of commenters on TRP say things that indicate they don't agree with the alt right. TRP != alt right
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 02:26 AM
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That seems... unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 02:20 AM
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Roughly 10% of men have a false allegation leveled against them. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 02:19 AM
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But in my city, a committee of feminist groups has the final say about who gets arrested More info?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 02:14 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/42x6y2/the_making_a_difference_project_and_the/ Around 7% are demonstrably proven false. Up to around 25% are unlikely to be rape or sexual assault, but are not necessarily 'false accusations'.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 02:12 AM
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Seddit is more casual and 'calm'. There's a lot of focus on PUA and mechanics, whereas TRP is more 'high strung', with less focus on PUA and more focus on lifestyle improvement and building frame and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 02:09 AM
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Whites will be the least helped by this as a group. DCPS demographics have 64-71% black, 15-18% hispanic, and 10-13% white students, presented as a range because they are for different school years. Since the admission is and will be on a lottery system with no advantage for whites, blacks will be helped much more than whites here (on an overall basis).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 02:05 AM
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And I'm saying those examples (and all others) aren't actually p = 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 01:55 AM
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Honestly, sounds like you're trying to make all sciences look like pseudosciences you're standing up for. No. But everything is probabilistic and not guaranteed to be correct. We've already gone through massive changes in scientific belief, it's certainly not inconceivable that we might be incorrect about some very important concepts. Every observable instance of X event given Y conditions in the physical world can be identical, but it doesn't prove conclusively that given Y, always X. The proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 06:07 AM
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If it were literally anyone else saying this I would assume they were trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 12:06 AM
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I might, but only because I didn't trip as hard as I could have. Even given that, it was extremely intense and not a recreational experience at all. And I'd consider DMT breakthroughs somewhat recreational for me at this point, so saying aya isn't recreational is significant. It was like DMT or very high dose shrooms (like 7g+), but with a much, much stronger body load, and lasted for hours. The simplest way I'd put it is that it was meaningful and intense, but not at all 'fun' or 'lighthearted'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:50 PM
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Knowing where I am, I can with a probability of 1 predict that if I release an object it will fall down to the ground. Or that two alkalines won't react. Or that a certain acid will reach with something. Nothing is provable to a probability of 1 in the world of pseudosciences like social sciences and psychology, though. So I can see where this confusion comes from. No, you can't. It is not impossible that you could drop an object and it levitates or shoots upward. It is not impossible that two a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:44 PM
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Also, let's not forget that most physics/chemistry experiments have to be conducted in certain environments with certain equipment. Mostly when you can't reproduce them it's because your university won't buy that damn HGz signal generator for you. This is not what the responses were referring to. They attempted to reproduce experiments using the proper equipment and methods and could not. Saying they 'couldn't reproduce' something because they literally didn't have the right equipment to even tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 08:43 PM
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Are you a lawyer pem? edit /u/pembayliss pemmican bb pls respond
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 07:56 PM
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And no, chemistry and physics are not in that bunch. Yes, they are. And they are reproducible and falsifiable in principle. Any and every belief worth holding is falsifiable in principle. All it means is that given sufficient evidence with sufficient strength, you could be convinced to change that belief. This includes all psychological concepts - if we come across strong, consistent evidence that a given concept is not accurate or parsimonious (compared to others) then we reject the concept. Ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 07:48 PM
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Can you describe what happened then? Also, aya is interesting but intense as fuck. I'd recommend smoked DMT first.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 07:30 PM
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This is just kind of nitpicking the analogy, but how does height matter in any significant way when all that's happening is shooting free throws? Anyone of any height can shoot a high percentage from the line (given enough practice obviously). A foot(ish) of physical height makes effectively no difference. And giving the shorter players crates to stand on would just throw them off, assuming they'd had some practice with free throws before.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 07:26 PM
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black men experiencing way more violent crime than whites which I proved absolutely false, it's a difference of 0.4%. Link?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 07:23 PM
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The comment I linked says 'I'm okay with it'. That means pretty much the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 07:21 PM
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Are you just dismissing social psychology as a field? Are you also dismissing all/most scientific studies (from psychology to chemistry to physics to medicine to earth science) because not all of them have been reproduced successfully (yet)? Also, did you read the paper? And do you believe there is such a thing as the bystander effect, foot-in-the-door phenomenon, door-in-the-face phenomenon, mere exposure effect, or propinquity effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 07:18 PM
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Prostitute is widely considered a slur. Your personal opinion does not change that. Like I said, I'm okay with it -- I don't even mind hooker -- but Pem was trying to be offensive. Also, ain't nothing ugly about sex worker and escort, lady. Keep your moralising to yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4yifa3/ive_had_an_epiphany_about_sluts_and_divorce/d6omxzo I guess she's okay with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 06:55 PM
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He's referring to her comment here Prostitute is widely considered a slur. Your personal opinion does not change that. Like I said, I'm okay with it -- I don't even mind hooker -- but Pem was trying to be offensive. Also, ain't nothing ugly about sex worker and escort, lady. Keep your moralising to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 06:53 PM
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are you serious, or making a joke/point about feminism or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 06:36 PM
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You have to apply and be selected in a lottery to get in. Nobody who doesn't want to go there is going there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 06:31 PM
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But which part of 'feminist ideology'? Just 'men and women should have equal rights' or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 05:08 AM
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I'm asking people what they think about this. I don't have a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 01:03 AM
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I misunderstood slightly. There have been in the past public female only high schools, Anna Burdick High School and Mary Washington High School, both vocational. One closed in 1996, the other in 2008.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 01:02 AM
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Drugs? Ayahuasca?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 12:57 AM
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There is already at least one all girls vocational high school in DC.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 11:15 PM
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I know the God exists and don't rely on faith that the God exists. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 11:06 PM
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'Feminist ideology' is just normal to most women - and men. What does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 11:04 PM
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What do you mean, 'would that be more acceptable'?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 11:02 PM
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I'm pretty certain (but correct me if I'm wrong) that you can't have gender exclusive PUBLIC school. You are wrong. Read the second article.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 11:01 PM
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I'm mostly going off of the ACLU's response, and similar responses in the past to programs such as My Brother's Keeper which was opposed by hundreds of women of color
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 10:58 PM
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sigh Here's your first reply to me I have to disagree, it varies. Some women have higher sex drive than men. I replied that this is obvious and doesn't refute what I said. Here's your second reply I disagree with your probably not statement This 'probably not' statement was in response to the question 'do women like sex as much as men do?': Probably not (on average), given the orgasm gap. This statement has nothing to do with sex drive, but rather has to do with the level of enjoyment of sex. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 10:42 PM
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Here's the question Do women like sex as much as men do? My answer Probably not (on average), given the orgasm gap. Nothing to do with sex drive. It's about whether women like sex as much as men. Do you understand why they're different?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 07:19 PM
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ur an alpha with the biggest, longest SMV she's ever seen /s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 04:44 PM
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That statement is unrelated to sex drives...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 04:42 PM
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Where do I say or imply that anything specific causes the orgasm gap? You seem to be putting words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 12:20 PM
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Did I say it was due to women lacking desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 09:48 AM
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Disagree with what? The statement 'do women want sex as often as men' is based on averages. It's not a universal claim that every man has a higher sex drive than every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 09:48 AM
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Second links abstract Edit: And the third
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 02:30 AM
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Probably not (on average), given the orgasm gap. If the question is 'do women want sex as often as men', then definitely no.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 01:55 AM
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Why don't feminists suggest this, instead of suggesting ideas that are inevitably going to hurt innocent men? I assume that's rhetorical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 01:40 AM
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He's being facetious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 01:39 AM
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no bicycles here, just eating clen and trenning hard. creatine, not even once, right babe
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 10:13 PM
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king joff <3
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 09:18 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Farris Torre Washington Billy Simmonds Jim Morris All vegans or vegetarians. It's easier to not have a sufficient protein intake and such while vegetarian/vegan, but that just means not being an idiot and learning how to modify diet properly. I eat meat, but it's only better due to convenience in 2016.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 03:46 AM
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but you'll be at an advantage compared to other men if you do eat them. Why? If you can get as much protein as you need, and enough of all essential and nonessential amino acids, what advantage does eating animal products give? You can meet all your essential nutrient reqs without them, you probably already supp creatine which is typically synthetic. The only advantage I can see is ease/convenience. Otherwise it's just up to ethics and taste and such. Note: I eat meat, but I don't think it's an …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 03:39 AM
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http://imgur.com/a/JHsRM ur so needy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 07:03 PM
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some of us shitpost less than others though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:37 AM
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A link? No... I don't think people will come out and say they think intelligence is terrible. It's an observation based in part on the attitudes exhibited by Trump supporters, among other things
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:36 AM
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A significant number of people don't consider intelligence, or demonstrations/indicators of intelligence, a positive trait. Anti-intellectualism and its ilk are not at all uncommon, at least in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:28 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:19 AM
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preacher, meet choir
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:18 AM
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Intelligence isn't a negative trait. It's a positive one. Depends on the person doing the evaluating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:17 AM
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This is my rapist. There are many like it, but this one is mine...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:07 AM
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Like, carry it in a vial? hue hue
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:06 AM
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pft you think labor saving devices, cars, grocery stores, electricity, indoor plumbing etc. made life easier? you nut /s
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:04 AM
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It's not like she's conducting a survey for a research paper. She's just making another thread, probably to kill time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:01 AM
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spermfoisting Isn't that just rape? I propose changing all instances of the term 'rape' to 'spermfoisting' or 'spermjacking' depending on gender
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 04:57 AM
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here's part of a message from gwern he sent when I asked about this specific question
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 04:54 AM
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Because?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 01:44 AM
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The buyer is not responsible for how the vendor runs their business. If they know the business is run specifically in a manner to evade taxes, conceal ownership, location, sources, identities, etc., then there's not a strong argument for 'I didn't know, I'm not responsible, blah blah'. In any case, gwern's message is by far the source I have the most confidence in, and he says it's illegal regardless. I'm not going to claim I know for a fact that he's right, but I'll update my beliefs to say I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 01:22 AM
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People seem to think I'm always yelling when I type, but I'm not. Typically when you're perceived very often as behaving a certain way, you really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:48 PM
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What does the text below even mean? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2k8zk0/terms_acronyms/ I have no goddamn idea, nor do I care. A question to you: why does this question make sense to you? Like, are you inquiring about it ever happening, that it's possible, or where it usually happens? Seems unnecessarily aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:43 PM
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OK but dude the average household income in the US is less than $52k. Source? https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N http://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p60-252.pdf Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis and the US Census Bureau say it's almost 54k as of 2014
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:13 PM
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Wat? In this case eBay and Craigslist are illegal because if you sell your old phone through them no one is paying tax. I'm pretty sure sales tax only applies to retailers, not private sales between individuals. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/need-pay-taxes-ebay-craigslist-sales/ https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tax-tips-for-online-auction-sellers Vending on the DNMs is pretty much guaranteed to be for profit, and you can see from the questions provided by the IRS in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:04 PM
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more like coal, or wheat. perhaps natural gas.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 10:47 AM
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This would be a compelling argument if TRP owned a compound and encouraged men to sign up for the 'TRP experience' or whatever, but they don't. Everything about TRP is free to access, read, and ignore if one so chooses. Even the people making merch and shit like that to make money can't force anyone to buy their shirts, and as far as I can tell, they don't even do that much business. Here are some more warning signs from your own source No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expens…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 10:44 AM
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Peter Singer
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 05:36 AM
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I would gild this comment if gilding wasn't such a waste of money. Thank you for making my day better.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 05:34 AM
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I did pick a side. Purple side. RP is right about a lot of things and brings a lot of insightful analysis to the table about concepts like SMV, innate gender differences, much of what women typically find attractive, etc. They're also wrong about some things (80/20... it's just not accurate, and falsely precise, women being 'inferior', women not maturing mentally past 18/eternal teenagers, etc.) and exaggerate a lot. And the subreddit is fucking terrible. So much edgelording, ridiculous bullshit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 05:32 AM
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This gets some BP all tangled up because they'll actually argue that it's 'creepy' to not disengage in that instant, but then they went blue-screen because they found themselves arguing on the side of the creepy beta male orbiters.... Can you explain this? The part after 'blue screen' I don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 05:21 AM
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Purchasing anything through the DNMs is illegal in and of itself, regardless of what you purchase, because you are evading taxes. It's really kind of unfortunate since there are plenty of people who use them just to get prescription meds that would otherwise be unavailable or cost prohibitive. Edit: One could also be charged with funding a criminal enterprise (since they take fees on every purchase), aiding or abetting the same, and/or money laundering. Or any combination thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 04:44 AM
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Just FYI this is going to get deleted within about 30 minutes if not sooner. Core Rule #6 Post titles must be neutral. Post Guidelines #2 No leading questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 04:34 AM
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It really depends on the community. That seems so obvious as to go without saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 04:14 AM
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He was being sarcastic. He's not actually saying it's good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:13 PM
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Seems like they're referring to the prisoner's dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:01 PM
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Eh, I think that's changing very rapidly, to the point where I'm not sure I'd agree with your statement. http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/survey.aspx http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/public-attitudes-mental-health/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:57 PM
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Oh, so you think kebabcide is morally okay, huh? You sick fuck, one day the kebabs will rise up and then we'll see who gets slathered in tzatziki and grilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:51 PM
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wasting your time I am not holding you at gunpoint. If you hadn't replied with this comment I would not have commented again and the argument would be over. why are you... trying to get your point across Because if you accept your own argument (and I assume you do), then there's no reason not to accept the parallel argument about black people. That's why I asked whether you also accept the parallel argument about black people originally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:57 AM
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If you are a parent and have children, you go to a park, and you see some wierd dude sitting on a bench watching your kids and the others, would you not regard him with suspicion? Even if zero kids ran up to him at any point, calling him daddy? No. I would not assume out of hand that any and every man who happens to be sitting near a playground is a rapist in waiting. You are suspicious of a man because men are more likely to commit crimes than women, no? You wouldn't be suspicious of a woman do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:40 AM
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Anyone like Parra for Cuva? Luhya and Fading Nights are just gorgeous (deep house is a subset of EDM, mom, pls)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 11:55 PM
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Which is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 11:54 PM
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There is no significant difference in overall violent crime victimization rates between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 11:29 PM
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Kill all Kebab ...what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 11:18 PM
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It's really isn't sexism if I am a guy now right? I hope you're not serious. However, it really isn't related to my original argument because yours has to do with race while mine has NOTHING to do with race. Why do you continually misunderstand the point? I didn't say your argument was about race. Let's make this more understandable men are more likely to commit crimes therefore, it is right to view men with more suspicion (higher probability of committing a crime) parallel argument blacks are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 11:06 PM
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Clearly this follows with your logic and we have different viewpoints. Uh, no, it follows from your logic. If you don't accept that it makes sense (from the exact same argument, that both groups commit more crime) to be more suspicious of blacks if it makes sense to be more suspicious of men, then you're being disingenuous and sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 10:46 PM
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Discussions of feminism are among my favorite topics on here, so if anything I usually think there's not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 10:30 PM
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Yes, that's not what I'm talking about. Allow me to repeat a [voluntarily sent] selfie of nude post pubescent [girl] I am not making any claims about pictures shared with others after being sent voluntarily. I am talking specifically about voluntarily sent photos by themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 10:26 PM
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An similar example to your argument is if I were to say I don't want to vote for Hillary and your argument is because I don't want a woman for president. While that may be a "logical" conclusion, it is not an argument that can be easily countered and is a strawman argument. I could try and argue why I don't want her for president but you'd walk away believing the real reason is because I don't want to vote for a woman. No, this is not analogous at all. Let me help you understand why I am not con…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 10:24 PM
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You're completely missing the point. If it's acceptable to be more (even overtly) suspicious of men because a tiny minority of them harm children, then it logically must be acceptable to be more (even overtly) suspicious of blacks because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to other races (in the US at least). I am against you/your position. I don't think it should be okay to get all freaked out, or call the cops, or whatever because some guy is sitting on a bench near a play…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 10:02 PM
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they are posting the personal details This is not what I'm talking about. a [voluntarily sent] selfie of a nude post pubescent [girl] This is what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 09:58 PM
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It's also important to note that this is Australia, not the US. Cultural difference (whether of acceptance of feminism or otherwise) is almost certainly a large factor playing into this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 09:44 PM
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Oh, then I guess we also need to be more cautious around black people too, yeah? They do in fact commit more crime, and more violent crime, so we need to 'have a shred of suspicion' lest we get beaten or robbed?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:46 PM
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Do you believe women are solipistic and can't escape their solipsism? I believe women are somewhat more selfish than men, on average, but I wouldn't call it solipsism, and I am nearly 100% sure that women can 'escape their solipsism'. For just one example, my mother is a truly fantastic woman who does great work and volunteers regularly. She also did a wonderful job raising me, and she agrees with me on a lot of points regarding feminism (anti-feminism), reproductive rights of men, social standa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:39 PM
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How do you get the double dot above the i in naive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:33 PM
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But my bishop always sends me angry emails when I include that in my Mass sermon. top fucking lel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:31 PM
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Having taken the course twice now, I can say with confidence that it is significantly biased against men/focuses significantly more on men, in my opinion. Other people can disagree, but I consider it biased against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:30 PM
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how we are going to fix it. And we do that by promoting equality through the platform of feminism. Why should it be feminism? If someone thinks men have it worse, why would they go through feminism to fix the issues? Why does feminism have the exclusive claim to 'working for equality' or 'wanting equal rights' when MRAs say the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:26 PM
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Have you not heard of diaphragms, female condoms, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:24 PM
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...Rephrase to 'why can't a grown man sit alone on a park bench that happens to be near a playground?' Further consider the fact that a man sitting on a bench by himself near a playground is likely to be a father or guardian who's simply letting his kids play by themselves or with other children without his interference/presence. Or consider a man taking photos of children at the playground. You, presumably, would assume that there's something nefarious going on, when it's perfectly reasonable t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:21 PM
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Thx. I googled 'new york department of environmental protection lawsuit padilla' and it was first result
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:05 PM
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Okay. It's all still alleged according to my standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:03 PM
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Case is discontinued with prejudice (cannot be refiled)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:54 PM
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The specific guidelines surrounding these courses are absurdly broad and overly expansive. A general, non-male-focused 'here are some tips on how to have safe, consensual sex' is fine. Ridiculous instructions directed almost exclusively at males are not fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:50 PM
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"they have withstood years of threats and insults from male colleagues who consider the agency "a man's world" Alleged "women - two of only five among the agency's 426 laborers" And? "No bathrooms Seems unlikely no changing rooms, no access to agency washers placed in the men's locker rooms, so no chance to wash off the sewage on her uniform at the end of the day" Also alleged. You and I don't know the specific truth of these claims. I take the position that before claims of illegal conduct have…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:47 PM
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About 2% of students have been required to take this one specific course, and that number is rising each year. There are plenty of others. From the April 4th Directive In addition to ensuring full compliance with Title IX, schools should take proactive measures to prevent sexual harassment and violence. OCR recommends that all schools implement preventive education programs and make victim resources, including comprehensive victim services, available. Schools may want to include these education …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:44 PM
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No snark intended whatsoever, just FYI, breath is the noun version, the verb version (which you were looking for) is 'breathe'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:28 PM
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'Not very widespread'? Hardly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:27 PM
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In many sports, men are in fact objectively better/stronger/faster. Not all, but many. There's a reason we don't typically have coed sports leagues at the professional level. And again, comparing this to 'women are inferior [overall, or as people]' is misleading.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:25 PM
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I'm purple leaning red and male.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:23 PM
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a couple mods leaving the team So which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:06 PM
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'Safe partying' can be a course without having a bunch of specific, idiotic guidelines for men to follow in regards to sexual practices. In any case, you originally said 'I've never heard of a course like that'. Now you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:05 PM
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Thinking women's sports are not entertaining compared to men's (and for many sports I agree, though for many sports I disagree) is perfectly acceptable and certainly nothing like 'women are inferior to men'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:03 PM
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Then when I hypothesized what their situation was, you said "I don't see the problem" I don't see the problem about bathrooms, if they actually have one. you said the same arguement could be made for the men, except it can't. Because?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:02 PM
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Yes (I disagree).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:01 PM
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That doesn't refute my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:19 PM
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The tone or bias of a post has nothing to do with the truth value of the claims or points of said post. Being incapable of addressing an intellectual point (which again, I remind you, I made in the comment itself without actually requiring you to read the linked post to understand) because of a 'bias' in the style of writing is the purest example of intellectual dishonesty. Let me recap the conversation thus far darkmoon says Making college guys attend "How not to be rapey" classes and seminars …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:18 PM
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Perhaps a better term would be WEIRD countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:04 PM
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I can make the same argument to say there should be many individual stalls/showers/whatever so that nobody gets sexually harassed or has to shower in front of anyone. It's not specific to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:59 PM
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They probably have a small mens room and small womens room, each with 1 toilet 1 sink or something. In which case I don't see the problem, given that there are 5 or 6 women and 400 whatever men. In any case, it's still not 'efforts to get women into sanitation work'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:53 PM
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Men's magazines... have posted articles about how women are useless and inferior What magazines are these? Who is publishing these articles and not being shredded for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:45 PM
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I don't care what you 'perceive'. You're intellectually honest or you're not. I am capable of reading a terrible feminist slam piece against men and then understanding and addressing the point being made without throwing up my hands and declaring that I am incapable of a reasonable discussion because someone wrote one article in a biased way. If it helps, pretend I didn't link that, and just wrote the rest of the comment. That would be intellectually honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:44 PM
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I guess I partly misunderstood then no women's bathrooms That seems... highly illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:41 PM
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Right, all I'm saying is they can't make those sweeping statements about how they're 'working for everyone' when they really aren't. Efforts to fix injustice are definitely valid, but they should be honest about what they're actually doing. So I think we more or less agree, even though I disavow feminism and you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:39 PM
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Then you're intellectually dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:36 PM
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Nothing 'proves' anything. And Radicalizing the Romanceless makes several different points with literally dozens of links and references. They're all just examples that support the idea. worldwide agenda Nobody said worldwide. Men's magazines I really don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:35 PM
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I don't believe that, and I don't think you can support that claim effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:33 PM
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What are you talking about? There are abusive pimps, and there is sex slavery. Of course they're different things, and I said as much...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:32 PM
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My odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in my favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed. Source? If I ever am promoted when a woman of my peers is better suited for the job, it is because of my sex. A woman could be 'better suited' but be passed over for a number of reasons, including but not limited to attitude problems, greater chance of leaving to have a child, lower perceived potential, etc. If I do the same ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:31 PM
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The conclusion is that feminists are pushing for 50/50 representation, including forcible change through legislation, but only in the fields they like. They don't care about fields in which women are overrepresented, and they barely care about fields that are more oriented towards hard labor and lower wages, despite the fact that, since there's a 'wage gap', there should apparently be plenty of poor women who need jobs that would benefit from fights for more representation in those harder, lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:59 PM
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Again, the point is, it doesn't matter if the post is written in a biased way. You didn't even need to read the post to understand the point I was making, and even after reading the post, you can ignore the language and syntax and instead focus on the point being made (there are in fact classes for college students that amount to 'don't rape women guys'). It seems like you didn't actually read or understand the post you just replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:52 PM
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It is 'child pornography' in the same way that 'MLKJ is a criminal'. Technically true, but obviously evokes a much worse idea in people's heads than what is actually happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:46 PM
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I never said or implied that men's rights or those areas are less important. They're just more concentrated in a few areas. And I will ask for a third time, who cares/so what? Edit: First link is two women, who already work in sanitation, suing a department for alleged discrimination. Calling it 'efforts to get women into sanitation work' is highly misleading. Second link says there are less women in coal mining than ever before (and is from 1990) and gives no real analysis of why that is, with …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:26 PM
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Women don't have empathy, they mirror and mimic others emotions. Are you literally trying to say 'all women are sociopaths'?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:25 PM
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She talked about 'pimps...who sell women like cattle...and collect almost all their wages'. There is both sex slavery and abusive prostitution. It's not 'an entirely different issue', it's exactly the issue she was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:24 PM
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I don't know what you're talking about. Here is the point I was supporting Mainstream feminist and women's blog/magazines have also portrayed men as dumb buffoons, rapists in hiding, male sexuality is dangerous/creepy. etc overall painting men in a negative light. The whole point that I'm trying to drive at is that it's socially acceptable to throw men under the bus because men are treated as blanket group - the fact that men too are also individuals seems to go over the heads of many feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:22 PM
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And yet feminists hardly ever actively fight for change on many of these issues despite making claims about how they really are because they're fighting 'the patriarchy'. So even if we accept that it really is patriarchy (and I remain unconvinced), then apparently feminists are for (or at least don't particularly care about) patriarchy when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:21 PM
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That's an absurd point of view. First, did you miss the part where I said Don't mind the jocular language, I only wrote it that way to appeal to the RP masses. Second, it doesn't matter how it's written. You don't even need to have read it to address the point, which is that there is in fact a mandatory college course that amounts to 'stop raping women, guyz'. Refusing to address a point because a particular post about it (that you didn't even need to read to get the point I was making) is writt…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:18 PM
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A disabled or mentally ill woman is far more likely to be homeless than a normal male. Do you not see the absurd false equivalence? Compare disabled/mentally ill women with disabled/mentally ill men, not with normal men. It's like saying 'poverty poor women are more likely to be homeless than millionaire men'. It's meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:15 PM
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Sure, if you want to call it that. Someone else might call it a form of blindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:13 PM
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Did you miss the part where I said Don't mind the jocular language, I only wrote it that way to appeal to the RP masses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:12 PM
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To me those all fall under the spheres of sex, family, and relationships as I mentioned. And again I ask, so what? 'Sex, family, and relationship' problems are less important than others? what are the proposed mechanisms through which society causes this issue in men, or how would we target a solution to men specifically? Acknowledging that men face these issues disproportionately would be a good start. Shelters and support groups specifically for men. Federal or state aid programs directed prim…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:30 AM
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tagging /u/poppyblu, because despite your snark, All public California campuses require completion of a course called Haven by at least incoming freshman and continuing sophomores. This course is a thinly veiled feminist slam piece against men and hookup culture under the cover of the absurd guidelines set forth by the April 4th Directive. More here. Don't mind the jocular language, I only wrote it that way to appeal to the RP masses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:10 AM
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And health insurance? Dental? Vision? Car insurance, maintenance, gas? You said 'free clothing', clothing isn't free, and the clothing that is free tends to be terrible, poorly fitting, ugly, used, etc. Even if they get room and board + 600-700 a month, they're right on the edge of the poverty line.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:06 AM
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...Did you miss the 'poor logic' part?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:01 AM
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https://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/ The traditional go-to article. Also, much, much more in depth, see Radicalizing the Romanceless. One of my favorite articles from one of my favorite sites, it's really worth the read.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:00 AM
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It's not just room and board, I'd find a way to get them free food and drink Board = food and drink
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:56 AM
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While I have no issue with pornography, since as you say, women (almost always) elect to do it, there is such a thing as sex slavery, even today, even in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:44 AM
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Even if you are correct, and I'm not really convinced that you are, so what? Problems being 'more spread out' doesn't inherently make them worse. Things you missed Men are far more likely to be homeless Men are far more likely to be drug addicts Men die by suicide much more than women Men are far more likely to be victims of violent crime and homicide Men receive significantly more harsh and long sentences for the same crimes compared to women Men are more likely to be perceived as abusive, even…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:41 AM
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the problems men face tend to be focused around sex and family whereas the problems women face are spread more across the board You're gonna have to explain that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:27 AM
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I'll add that this is particularly noticeable (anti-female-toplessness) on sites like Instagram and Facebook, whereas topless men have no problems anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:27 AM
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I don't know, does it? If some unthinkable event happened so as to kill 3/4 of the peaceful, equal rights for women etc. Muslims in the world, would Islam as a religion then automatically become a movement for the murder of infidels and subjugation of women? I think there's at least some influence of original and historical intent and actions. There's also the other argument I made, which is that even if a majority of people polled didn't explicitly say their movement was for a particular view, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:19 AM
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Homophily is probably part of it. Another part is probably confirmation bias on my part. We also may live in very different communities and parts of the country, have very different political or social views, or have very different hobbies/social circles. I don't know you at all, so I can't really tell you why you don't see it when I (and others) do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:15 AM
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:) I don't think I've ever seen you personally attack anyone and even when in a heated conversation I'm not sure I've ever seen you even be impolite. Add to that your intelligence, education, and verbal fluency, I thought it seemed like an obvious choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 04:11 AM
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You can not feel that you experience such an environment, and it can still in fact exist. Many women living in Middle Eastern/Asian countries might say they don't feel they live in an environment of oppression, but that obviously doesn't mean they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 02:09 AM
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But so what if the group 'as a whole' supports what they're saying? A mathematical majority of a group could think one way or have a particular view, but does that make it automatically 'what [group] is about'? There's plenty of potential for groups to believe multiple things and 'be about' different things. For example, I'd say (and many people, particularly here, would agree with me) that feminism is about 'getting benefits/power with minimal added responsibility for women'. I presume a majori…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 02:07 AM
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No, but wouldn't others have other examples? Surely if five people each had five unique examples we'd have a decent foundation. However I always hear about the scientist wearing the shirt and getting hassle for that, but not much else beyond. Men are highly unlikely to share experiences of being demonized or shamed, partly because many of them don't care, partly because they may not even be aware that they were being demonized or shamed (as opposed to the perpetrator 'just being a bitch' or some…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 01:46 AM
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Well, that's definitely a more difficult question. But again, we run into the question of 'what is feminism actually about'. And there's vehement disagreement even among staunch feminists as to what the answer is, not to mention among non-feminists. To go back to the corollary with Islam, who gets to decide what 'is representative of the religion of Islam'? Those who subscribe to the more violent, anti-infidel, religious jihad, etc. side have one view, and those who are peaceful and abhor violen…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 01:43 AM
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If there was a real environment surrounding this, then there would be many more than three or four predominant examples posted for each point. No, because dakru doesn't have unlimited time and effort and has other things going on both on reddit and in real life. Have you personally been demonized for your sexuality? What happened? In the past I've been called creepy and similar names in the context of sexual interest (but not just sexual interest). I've also experienced nuclear rejections/blowou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 12:01 AM
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someone might say "Muslims are making a movement to kill white people." And that would be quite disingenuous, because ISIS is overall a tiny proportion of all Muslims. If a user on tumblr says that they are a feminist, and want to jail men who smile at her for rape, someone might say "Feminists are making a movement to call charge friendly men for rape." Same, also highly disingenuous. However, if instead these people said 'A Muslim is supporting a movement...' or even 'Some Muslims are supporti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 11:54 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main#wiki_section_4.3A_toxic_social_attitudes Compiled by a mod of this sub, dakru
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 11:43 PM
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You don't get to decide who and what 'represent what feminism is'. If someone declares themselves to be part of a given group, you don't get to unilaterally say 'no you're not'. Otherwise, every single group of people could say any of their members who do X bad action aren't really members of the group - aka the No True Scotsman fallacy. just as silly as calling all Muslims members of ISIS False equivalence - better analogy is whether ISIS members/supporters are considered 'real Muslims'. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 11:41 PM
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cxj sublimemongrel arthurmcarthur ifelsedowhile sleeping willow coratoad Sublimemongrel would be my #1 choice probably. I also nominate myself. Question: who is leaving?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 11:33 PM
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Removed posts can still be seen by the original posters?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 11:14 PM
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Sure, but a large portion of people tend to stick to one or two news outlets, and if their choice is Fox, then they're going to get disproportionate negative coverage of Clinton. Another factor in all this is that Trump makes a fool of himself on almost a daily basis, whereas Clinton is much more reserved. That's going to lead to more coverage for Trump period, and since much of what he says is either false or deliberately inflammatory, it's also going to lead to more negative coverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 11:13 PM
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And I know a significant number of people like that. Congratulations, our anecdata results in 'people sometimes know what they want to do very early and sometimes don't'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 11:10 PM
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Women tend to be better with social and people skills, picking up subtle social cues, taking account of emotions and things like that. Women tend to have better color discrimination/color vision. Women have better short term memory and ability to 'multitask'. Women kill each other far less than men do, part of the reason why there are more women than men above middle age, which is generally a positive thing IMO. Women tend to be better at verbal memory and verbal fluency (while men have the edge…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 11:09 PM
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There are already several physical and patrol oriented barriers to entry. including large swathes of wall. They don't appear to be particularly effective in preventing immigration. By definition every illegal crossing the border is a criminal, not to mention the people in both sides who cross back and forth transporting drugs, dirty money and weapons. 'The Worst Argument in the World' by Scott Alexander (author of SlateStarCodex MLK Jr is also a criminal by definition. Being a 'criminal by defin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 10:31 PM
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If that was considered a personal attack, why wasn't it removed? That was about the tamest, least attacking thing I've ever seen labeled a 'personal attack' :P
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 10:28 PM
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I don't watch news on television ever. Probably seen 30 minutes of it in the last year. I still get tons of exposure to negative coverage of Clinton and how many Americans hate both candidates, even from primarily liberal outlets.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:31 PM
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We don't have nearly enough engineers. I didn't say we have enough. I said we can have enough, and we can have too many. Utterly bullshit. Kids certainly don't know what they want to do as a freshman in highschool, and their options shouldn't be limited from the age of 15 on. I know dozens of kids who already knew exactly what they wanted to do before high school, tailored their high school education to it, and are going to college/out of college working in the field they wanted to go into. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:24 PM
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Okay. The way you worded it made it sound like you thought men were inherently better [overall], full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:21 PM
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It's 'statistics'. My point would be that if illegal immigrants aren't any more likely to be criminals than US citizens, it is inaccurate to call them all criminals and rapists and such. I don't support illegal immigration per se, but I recognize that we're not going to stop it anytime soon, certainly not with a wall, and that it is an integral part of many facets of the economy (though mostly agricultural and other food/farm type work). The US needs to focus instead on dealing with the idiotic …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:14 PM
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Men are inherently better ? Also, besides the above, I know everything else in your post. Why did you say it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:10 PM
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Because we need the most engineers and doctors possible I don't know what to say to this besides 'no'. We need a sufficient number. There is such a thing as too many doctors and engineers. Even college is too early to decide your future, let alone highschool. Plenty of children not even in high school yet know exactly what they want to do. A higher percentage know in high school, and an even higher percentage know in college. Nobody should be forced to decide if they don't have a strong feeling …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:08 PM
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Promiscuous lifestyle doesn't capture it fully. CC involves the concept of it being during the 'young, fun' years, and with the expectation that it will stop somewhere in the late 20s or early 30s. Promiscuous lifestyle also doesn't capture the nuance of CC being ONSs with random strangers, as most RPers would call serial STRs promiscuous as well. Note how much jargon I'm using as someone who pretty much agrees with you; it really is more efficient in many cases and doesn't carry any sense of mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:05 PM
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does media ever talk about how Americans think both candidates suck? Holy shit, yes. This is like, the main line being presented in news outlets, how both candidates have absurdly high unfavorable ratings, how large the support is for the traditionally tiny third party candidates, how so many Americans are choosing between the lesser of two evils. So you won't make your own poll? I guess ignorance is bliss. Do I think that all polls are biased maybe. Do you really think someone can't make all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:01 PM
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Just because some people use the ideas in distasteful or abhorrent ways, or to support unpalatable conclusions, does not make the ideas any less reflective of reality. It does us no good to disregard genetic effects, even if social/environmental influences also play a significant role.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 05:56 PM
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I fully agree. I dislike the use of terms such as 'terp', 'bloop', 'twerp', etc. and I think we would be no worse off, and probably better off, without those sort of terms being used. I'm less sure about TRP buzzwords, however. They do make it simpler and easier for us to communicate somewhat complex ideas very quickly. 'Cock carousel', for example, would take at least a long sentence, if not a paragraph, to say fully every time. Using CC as shorthand is just more efficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:58 AM
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I'm calling you out for saying you've been here for 3 years when your account is 12 days old Come on. One can have multiple accounts, or delete a previous account and start a new one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:55 AM
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PurplePillDebate is a neutral community to discuss sex and gender issues, specifically those pertaining to /r/TheBluePill and /r/TheRedPill. Sex and gender issues are not TRP's ideas. We discuss within the general context of TRP and TBP, since that's where most of us came from, but there are plenty of discussions of sex and gender issues that aren't directly about TRP. Of course, it's difficult to avoid, since TRP talks about a huge swath of material, but we can and do debate things that are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:51 AM
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Literally anything can be debated in good faith. Some things are much more difficult to defend than others, but you handwaving the entirety of RP smells strongly of intellectual dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:46 AM
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Has media been covering anything negative about Clinton? How are you even asking this? The emails and server scandal are still constantly in the news. Benghazi has been reiterated and reexamined over and over again. Her acceptance of campaign funds from Big Everything are constant sources of attacks. Her speeches are fact checked and her lies called out regularly. Her 'playing the woman card' has been called out many times. Her lies about Bosnia, Trump, guns, health care, Bernie, etc. have all b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:44 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:20 AM
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Okay. All statistics reported by American media are wrong. Gotcha. You should make a post about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:18 AM
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And let's say there are less women who are interested in and qualified for given fields in STEM, even in societies where there is rigidly equal opportunity and encouragement (this is true; see Hjernevask part 1). Any attempt to increase the proportion of women in this case is artificial. with more variety in the field there would be more perspectives bringing different ideas and ways of doing things. Why? Why wouldn't it be better to have a higher (even significantly higher) proportion of men, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:17 AM
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The stock market, aka the index, aka the standard diversified portfolio open to investment by any investor (examples include S&P 500, NASDAQ, Dow Jones, etc.) http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2016/03/03/has-donald-trump-underperformed-in-the-real-estate-business/#454e8b465506
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:08 AM
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-in-fourth-place-among-black-voters/ Fourth place meaning behind Jill Stein and Gary Johnson (fucking lol). And in a couple states, Trump is getting approximately 0% of black voters. Just FYI.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 06:03 AM
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I do think some of the more diverse fields should be the STEM ones because of the potential for innovation. What does that mean? How does artificially increasing the proportion of women directly lead to 'innovation'? Is there a lack of innovation now?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 05:47 AM
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If there are more men who would enjoy studying medicine and engineering, and they can fill in the gap left by women preferring social studies and humanities, why wouldn't we let them do it? I don't really understand what point you're trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 05:45 AM
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I think IQ makes very little difference in terms of how people actually achieve and contribute and am super confused by reddit's obsession with it. Respectfully, you are very wrong. IQ is a ridiculously strong correlate for so many metrics of success that it's really kind of ridiculous. See here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 05:39 AM
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Did you read the link in my post about how it's false that illegal immigrants commit proportionately more crime than US citizens? What do you have to say about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 05:25 AM
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You appear to be completely ignoring the thrust of my posts. I don't really know what to say from here that I haven't already said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 05:23 AM
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Did I not just explain why rigid adherence to 'the definition' of bigotry is nonsensical? If you are unwilling to even entertain the possibility of being wrong about something, then that's clear and overt bigotry. If you actually take time and effort to consider the points of both sides, and you come to an honestly decided conclusion, then calling that 'bigotry' makes the word absolutely meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 06:15 AM
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far narrower Source? I understand the bell curve argument, flatter vs more vertical, blah blah, but the 'range of intelligence' is not narrower overall, just the distribution. The majority (68%) of people fall between 85 and 115, and men are overrepresented at both the top and the bottom. If you are a smart man the chances of you meeting a woman who is as smart or smarter than you are very low Would you call a man with IQ 115 'smart'? If so, his chances of meeting a woman as smart or smarter tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 06:12 AM
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Guess what every human on this planet is a bigot. 'Not agreeing with' is not the same as 'intolerance'. You can even have vehement, vocal disagreement without it being intolerance necessarily. Bigotry is more about blind and complete faith in one's own correctness of belief without even minor consideration given to the possibility of being wrong, not just disagreement. Also, I'm not interested in getting sidelined by arguing 'the definition'. Words are arbitrary sounds used to convey ideas, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 06:06 AM
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Do you actually not understand? STEM has proportionately more autists, social outcasts, loners, and nerdy/semi-nerdy types. These types tend to have worse social and romantic skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 05:05 AM
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I would specifically take issue with his comments about Gonzalo Curiel, his comments about banning Muslim immigration, his comments about 'not ruling out' requiring database registration and/or identification badges for Muslims (not immigrants, US citizens), his comments about US Muslims 'celebrating 9/11', his (false)comments about how Mexican and Central/South American immigrants are 'rapists' and 'criminals', and the following alleged comment about blacks (although it is not strongly substant…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 05:00 AM
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People who strike up random conversations often have something interesting to say, and even if they don't, it feels nice to be acknowledged and talked to. Are there limits? That seems like a somewhat silly question. Of course there are. I'm not in a good mood 24/7. But in general having strangers approach me is nice and I like it. It makes me feel connected.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 04:41 AM
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I won't try to say men do it equally, because I don't really know, but I see plenty of men, including on my own campus, that are leading the charge for safe spaces/trigger warnings/more LGBT representation/whatever. In fact, the leaders of the group pushing for these changes are mostly male (on my campus). And yes, I know this is anecdotal and not super strong evidence, but there absolutely are men who are pushing for these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 05:44 AM
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You said Being creepy has nothing to with physical features, it has to do with actions. That's why attractive men can still be creepy The link is a thread detailing the results of fake male model pic using tinder accounts. The messages sent would be considered rather vulgar. If they were sent by an account with pics of a fat neckbeard, it's pretty much certain that the girls would react with utter disgust, call them a creep, rapist, etc. But because they were sent from an account with male model…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 05:27 AM
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Who likes having random strangers approach them? Serious question. Me. And I know many of my friends do as well, as do several of my family members. Round it off to +15 or so for your calculations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 05:22 AM
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You wouldn't walk up to random people on the street or in a grocery store and offer to sell them a vacuum, or a mattress, or whatever. How do you think solar salespeople make sales?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 05:17 AM
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Then presumably you're also okay with AWALT and men being super cautious of false rape accusations, putting hot sauce in used condoms to avoid spermjacking, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 05:10 AM
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You can condemn acting on a fantasy while acknowledging that you will never be able to, and should not think it realistic to, eliminate the fantasy from the universe. This is the problem we run into with people demonizing pedophiles who don't act on their desires - it drives them underground, prevents them from seeking help, and alienates them from society at large. It is counterproductive. It is fine to fantasize about raping kids. It's not fine to actually do it. Most people have and do occasi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 04:49 AM
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Is there ever a point where you would say to someone "no, it's not okay to fantasize about X"? What's your answer? To me it seems like a complete waste of time and most likely counterproductive to say it's not okay to fantasize about X. All it'll do is push it underground, not solve it or improve anything in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 06:20 AM
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I didn't say nor imply that it was the norm, hence 'individual colleges'. It's just such an absurd demonstration of ignoring reality. Prohibiting drunk sex means a climate of greater fear and worse communication, and it's utterly impossible to enforce to any reasonable degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 06:15 AM
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shit list = next in line for a ban, so presumably you should care if you want to continue posting here. If you don't, that's fine, just go away. The mods do a great job. They delete posts just about every single day. They keep it neutral, fair, and clear. You don't like it? Get out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 06:12 AM
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At a minimum, it is so in California colleges http://www.npr.org/2014/09/29/352385534/calif-assault-law-requires-college-students-to-give-consent-before-sex And it is also so at individual colleges elsewhere http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/02/drunk_sex_on_campus_universities_are_struggling_to_determine_when_intoxicated.html
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 10:45 AM
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If you have a problem with someone, report it. It'll be looked at by the end of the day, and typically within a couple hours, by whatever mods happen to be on. I also looked for someone calling you a dumbass or illiterate in this thread (went through every comment chain you participated in, as well as all top level replies and replies to automod) and could not find such a post (although there is one that is now deleted at the very bottom). do yall scour all the threads Do you really think it's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 10:34 AM
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Not all colleges require freshmen to live in dorms, and many that do have exceptions. It doesn't matter anyway, because you can still run into clogging problems without a septic tank. It's just better to dispose of condoms properly and not have to worry about plumbing issues, since you can solve the problem in other ways quite easily.
/r/askTRP01/08/16 12:53 AM
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... You agreed with 'being nice is irrelevant to sexual attractiveness'. It's not that someone would turn down a man because he is nice, but that him being nice doesn't affect the probability of success. Therefore, if being nice is not necessary nor directly helpful for getting sex, one is better served by not being nice, as it takes less effort that can then be used on other faculties.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:43 PM
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Perhaps it's time to pick up some new hobbies. Or move. Or work on cold approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:38 PM
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I don't know Donald Trump either, but I'm pretty confident he's kind of an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:37 PM
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Therefore there is nothing gained by being 'nice' if what you want is casual sex, and in fact you are worse off because it takes effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:36 PM
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The point was that at least one hobby (ostensibly out of several) should have quite a few more women interested in it than just 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:13 PM
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Thus, being nice is irrelevant to sexual attractiveness. As demonstrated by the fact that DT traits correlate strongly with higher amounts of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:09 PM
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Your flair applies to you too, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:04 PM
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I'm always told to date women that are already involved in my hobbies. That's a great plan, unfortunately all 7 of them are already taken. So if I want to date at all, I have to date women I have little to nothing in common with Between all of your hobbies, there are only 7 women who also have interest in those hobbies within reasonable driving distance? I have a very hard time believing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:03 PM
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Many college students don't live in a dorm.
/r/askTRP31/07/16 08:58 PM
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Always flush it down the toilet. That can lead to clogging the toilet and/or problems for septic tanks. If you're genuinely worried about it, just put a little hot sauce in and put it in the trash, or put it in a dumpster or something where they won't find it.
/r/askTRP31/07/16 08:45 PM
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Have you ever been in full flight or fight, and felt embarrassed, at the same time? Like, you're still in complete Hell, almost going mad, and, yet, you're just thinking "Really? Again?". Every time I get significantly triggered, I feel the annoyance with myself/embarrassment in short order. He doesn't care? I've never mentioned it specifically. He's been doing it for years, so I presume there's a good reason for it, and by now it's less of a big deal since I'm in school away from home most of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 09:32 AM
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Who do you think is making most of these attempts? How many do you think are doing it honestly, giving an offer any woman would be happy to accept? How many do you think are full of shit? And how many do you think don't take hints, and demand the time of people out enjoying themselves - >turning it into subtle harassment designed to pass for friendly? Last, how many do you think escalate it into something potentially dangerous? And what happens after? I don't know, but my perspective thus far is…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 08:36 AM
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Do liars lie all the time? Do liars tell the truth when assured of confidentiality? Some might. Some won't. Depends on how deep the pathology is. Everyone is a liar. I think there is nonzero evidential value for psychological studies that measure potentially socially controversial attitudes, despite the unavoidable flaws, and given how many have been done, with no clear conclusion, as far as I can tell, the evidence points to no difference, however weak it may be. Find independent evidence not i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 07:10 AM
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Not to the same degree, we've seen previously that when women make more there's a not insignificant increase in divorce risk. Also I would think most men don't care quite so much about ambition in their woman. Ask Apexk9, he's the one who said it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 04:50 AM
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We don't live in Soviet Russia, where the govt has quotas of how many men a woman must sleep with to hit a predetermined definition of 'slut' before she gets shipped off to the brothel-coal mines of Nevada, where prostitution is legal and clearly the place she's most suited for in life... Speak for yourself :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 04:12 AM
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Perhaps you're mixing up plate prospects and LTR prospects?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 03:59 AM
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I'm not 'going to studies'. I'm looking at your hypothesis, determining what we would expect if your hypothesis is true, and comparing that to actual results. If your hypothesis is 'women are more inclined to lie in a self-serving way/self deceive/deceive others to appear better or more moral people', then we would not expect to see them giving answers that make them appear more deceptive or immoral (we would instead expect them to consistently appear less deceptive and more moral, that is, less…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 02:35 AM
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I read your other reply before you deleted it, here is what I had typed up in response. I've not been polite, so far as I know? Eh, I see much worse pretty regularly here. As long as someone is mostly keeping up an argument and not just 'fuck you' I generally continue. I appreciate the rest of your post as well. I imagine it might have been somewhat uncomfortable to write. It also made me connect in a strange way, as I have misophonia, which means certain types of sounds (depending on context) m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 02:25 AM
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We just send them to prison for less time than weed smokers and then they get out after that. Smoking weed extremely rarely gets people sent to prison, while the average sentence for rape is about 10 years (and average time served over 5 years), and the maximum prison term for possession of marijuana on a federal level (which is extremely rarely enforced) is 1 year.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 12:01 AM
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You've compared the struggle for civil rights You've mocked the comparison without providing a reason for why it's unreasonable. I did, however, modify the comparisons after you rejected that, with the bacon and Muslims and the gays in a conservative area, neither of which are struggles for civil rights. right to have a night out without auditioning sexual propositions I don't believe you (or anyone) has such a right. You have a right to not be harassed (repeated attempts after being explicitly …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 10:59 PM
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anyone poor enough they don't have internet access has way bigger problems than not being able to meet quirky nerd girls. Not necessarily untrue, but also not relevant. Just because you have other problems doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to approach girls. Such a rare thing it doesn't even merit discussion. Yes it does, because it condemns these people to never approaching girls (utilizing your standards for appropriate approaches) if they don't like bars/clubs/shows etc. That's unacceptable …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 10:26 PM
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Just admit you don't care whether someone's interested. It doesn't matter whether they're interested before you approach, since you can't know it in advance (typically). Because the amount of people who think they can do this, outnumber the ones who really can? So what? You can apply the same argument to guys making approaches in bars and clubs. And what are the odds someone you're hitting on is even single? Again, so what? If they're not single, they can decline your approach, and again, you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 10:20 PM
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I'm saying RP doesn't say 'any girl in an LTR should do anything the guy requests sexually'. The girl can make a choice as to whether or not to perform a particular act, and the guy can make a choice as to whether that's of particular concern to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 10:09 PM
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Even poor people have basic smartphones with internet. Really, all poor people have smartphones with internet access? No, not all people have regular internet access, and 15% of people don't use the internet in the US. Is that a real thing? It is a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 10:07 PM
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they think they should just do it, even if they do not want to They should do it if and only if they prefer satisfying their partner's preference over not doing whatever the act is. I haven't seen anyone saying every girl should always do anal if the guy wants it. (I have seen 'if she won't do X for you, you're not attractive enough', but that's not the same thing)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:21 PM
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Okay. Has nothing to do with whether you should be able to approach them IRL. We could also take the case of a person who either doesn't have regular internet access, or a person who is prohibited from using the internet (perhaps they committed some online credit card fraud).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:16 PM
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Which seems like useless advice. 'Do things for your partner that they like, while respecting each other's boundaries'. I mean, yeah, no kidding...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:13 PM
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So my question to you becomes, what are the chances that such a girl would respond positively to a random guy hitting on her in the supermarket like that? It seems to me that the stereotypical nerdy introvert would shy away from such approaches even in social environments, let alone while she's in the middle of shopping. It doesn't matter what the chances are. If we restrict approaches to club/bar/show etc. then nobody ever gets to approach her (and apparently she never gets to approach anyone e…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 08:54 PM
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So it boils down to 'do things your partner enjoys particularly'. Seems like something literally anyone would agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 08:51 PM
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This is why I make friends first Okay. Shouldn't be a requirement. There's all kinds of flirting going on, before an approach, and you didn't even notice. A lack of flirting before an approach doesn't make the approach inappropriate. Yes, if they know what they're doing, instead of marching up like an angry incel morality patrol. Okay, so my argument is correct? People can make grocery store approaches be fun and 'magical', so why not do them? We meet over the internet. And suppose someone doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 08:48 PM
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I don't accept either of those as arguments. Most people wouldn't especially care if you approached them in a grocery store, and some people aren't comfortable with online dating (or can't do it due to lack of continuous access to internet, or just don't like the impersonality, or etc. etc. etc.). And if someone doesn't like online dating but does want the nerdy introvert girl, they shouldn't be condemned to never hitting on anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 08:45 PM
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And I explained why that's not always true. Further, what does a guy do if he wants the nerdy introvert girl who doesn't go to the meat markets/clubs/bars etc.? If he's not allowed to approach except in the pre-approved zones, he just never gets to approach her? And who decides what the pre-approved zones are?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 07:25 PM
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You don't know whether she's had a shit day, been abused, is in mourning, or is just finally getting some time to herself, you have no idea how bad previous rejections have gone - and, despite knowing how bad this is likely to go, before you even did it, you want to turn this into a debate over whether sex positive feminism really exists? You can say the exact same thing about a girl out on the town either by herself or with friends. It's also absurd to worry about these small probabilities, sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 07:25 PM
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Previous posted thread about sex positive feminism. It's like two posts above this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 07:07 PM
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No. You're comparing hitting on people to sex slavery and/or driving a car in a manner likely to kill multiple people. I don't see why I can't make analogies as well. Also, eating bacon in a mostly Muslim area isn't a civil rights struggle, but it will make a lot of them rather uncomfortable, is that not allowed either? Or what about a gay couple making out in public a highly conservative area? Attempts to discredit sex positive feminism because it doesn't mean "Attend to my need for attention, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:59 PM
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[you hurt people/make them uncomfortable] when you ignore the rules we've agreed to I'm sure white people being friends with black people made a lot of other white people (probably a lot of black people too) very uncomfortable back in Jim Crow era and before. Or we could make it hypothetical and ask about whether it's okay for someone to eat bacon in public in an area that's ~100% Muslim, or conspicuously worship [insert oppressed religious minority's deity here] in an area that's ~100% [insert …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:45 PM
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And again I ask why, if women are in fact significantly more likely to lie on anonymous questionnaires, we have multiple studies finding them to be significantly more Machiavellian? And why they would agree to casual sex with friends at relatively high rates? And any other number of ostensibly unpleasant results?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:41 PM
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It is not considered socially acceptable to just randomly hit on strangers outside a social environment And I again ask: why is a grocery store less appropriate than any other place/time?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:37 PM
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but you can obviously expect a lower success rate if you're just randomly approaching people in public, this should be common sense. Sure, but that has nothing at all to do with what I asked. No one wants some randomer coming up to them while they're just out buying milk. This is obviously untrue as stated (simplest refutation: I would enjoy that), and plenty of people would be flattered to be asked out or propositioned (mostly men in the latter case, but some women too) anywhere. Are people les…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:29 AM
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there's a 95% chance that he's making another person feel uncomfortable by disregarding those norms Not to hyperbolize, but I'm sure white people being friends with black people made a lot of other white people (probably a lot of black people too) very uncomfortable back in Jim Crow era and before. Or we could make it hypothetical and ask about whether it's okay for someone to eat bacon in public in an area that's ~100% Muslim, or conspicuously worship [insert oppressed religious minority's deit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:20 AM
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should make your flair 'adorable radical rascal'
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:08 AM
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Why is a grocery store less appropriate than any other place or time? Are you saying anything besides a meat market is inappropriate?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:03 AM
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Exactly. It's contradicted in the violinist scenario, so the distinction you are emphasizing does not apply, but presumably you think it's not wrong to detach the violinist, and thus you must have some other reason for what the difference is between full grown people and fetuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:00 AM
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for older children and adults, one can enforce and protect one's own rights without killing them I submit back to you the original formulation of the violinist case.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 07:29 AM
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Yes, but couldn't the same argument also apply for children who are born and adults? Killing them makes them worse off in comparison to the situation right before, but not in comparison to the scenario before they were born.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 07:12 AM
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they say all women cheat Do they? I've read that all women have a certain propensity to cheat (which you might disagree with) but not that all women literally do cheat. They say all women like to be submissive in bed Do they say all and not most?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:57 AM
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'Human affairs' meaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:53 AM
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aborting a fetus doesn't result in a fetus being made worse off than he or she previously was Being forced out of existence isn't 'being made worse off'?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 05:24 AM
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What does that have to do with his post?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 05:21 AM
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If I understand correctly, you're saying 'since we don't have reliable measurement, we rely on relatively less reliable personal experience/observation' (could be wrong, the second sentence you wrote is not easy to parse) In which case we're going around in circles, since you can have one experience and I can have the opposite (and a million people can agree with yours and a million people can agree with mine) and we're no closer to determining the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 05:01 AM
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I think very few people here really understand this point Instead he is relying on me having the same experience. Saying that I don't have that experience (" I know lots of women who aren't like that") is very relevant. And of course sometimes that line is used improperly. In the face of cited stats is the primary example. RPers tend to assume out of hand that objections like these are 'arguing against statistical probabilities with anecdotes' without actually examining how the claim is stated a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 01:12 AM
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FWIW I didn't really keep track that carefully of exactly what I said so there could be some inconsistencies or contradictions or whatever, I'll admit that. And I think a little bit of my position is just a personal bias against people making a big deal out of terrorism due to its use as a political bludgeon, which isn't fair to you since you're not involved in that (though I still don't consider it a top concern) But yeah, leaving it works for me. Have a good one :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 12:50 AM
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not everyone is like that and thinking most people are is wrong Which is it? Not everyone, or not most? Would you, for example, deny that most men have higher sex drives than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 12:38 AM
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You have repeatedly ignored the difference in the nature of a terrorist attack versus that of second-hand smoke. No, I haven't ignored it, I just don't believe terrorism creates more suffering than some other means of death (it definitely does for some, but not all). I recognize the fear etc. it creates, but when viewed on an overall level, I think terrorism is less of a concern than many other concerns we have right now (e.g. cancer, global warming, unfriendly AI risk, various third world disea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 12:34 AM
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Indeed. Good to see you handle that issue rationally, a lot of people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 11:38 PM
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The problem with utilitarianism is that we aren't emotionless robots. Humans have a psychological aspect that is fragile as well as an ability to feel physical pain and suffering. There is a time and place for such a mindset but as you have noted it isn't suitable for creatures like ourselves as most people do not feel so cold and calculated about real pain, suffering, cruelty...etc. It's quite clear you don't understand utilitarianism even a little bit. There are a few different types, but two …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 11:37 PM
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pedophilia should be shamed Pedophilic fantasies or pedophilic acts?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 11:16 PM
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That's not race baiting. And rational discussion is not served well by including ad hominem as an acceptable tactic. Not because it hurts people's feelings (although that's not great either) but because it's irrelevant and distracting. Whether a poster is an asshole or stupid or whatever has literally nothing to do with the truth value of whatever their claims are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 10:59 PM
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that isn't good enough for the victims or the families of victims I really do not care. I subscribe to utilitarianism, and that leads to some views that a lot of people find unpalatable. Doesn't mean they're wrong or misguided. It is completely unacceptable to look at the risk of a train derailment, call it negligible because of how many people die per year, and not make every effort to mitigate that risk. Sure, take precautions and work to reduce risk, but don't freak out over it. Realize that …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 10:56 PM
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If 99.999% of people believed TRP was wrong, would it be correct, as a 'measure of the nature of experiences'? I believe things have true probabilities that exist outside of our perception. Our inability to measure various aspects of human nature (so far) doesn't affect whether various claims about it are true or false.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 10:48 PM
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Which argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 10:31 PM
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millions upon millions ... There are very few men who go the other way. That alone should tell you something about the nature of reality we actually live in. The frequency of subscription to a particular set of beliefs has nothing to do with the truth value of those beliefs (see: most religions). I can turn the argument the other way and say that the vast majority of people (including men) who are exposed to TRP disagree quite strongly with it (see: TRP being one of the most derided subs/sets of…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 10:22 PM
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You can be perfectly healthy and normal and still gain from the openness and well-being/life satisfaction increases.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 09:58 PM
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IDK why you're so excited about oklahoma :--)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 09:38 PM
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It seems like it is. Conley 2011 "Perceived Proposer Personality Characteristics and Gender Differences in Acceptance of Casual Sex Offers" although I did misread it, she did include a part examining friends rather than famous people
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 09:31 PM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 09:04 PM
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Same reason I don't care that TRP doesn't allow constant contradiction of their core beliefs on their sub. It detracts from the quality of discussion, and IMO, incels posting here, typically whining about how everything sucks and there's nothing they can do, also detract from quality of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:59 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:49 PM
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Not that I can think of right now, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:46 PM
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no matter how safe they are with it, why do it at all? It's one of the few known ways to somewhat reliably induce a mystical experience, and at least for psilocybin, it is shown to cause a significant and long-lasting increase in Openness (as in the BFI trait), reduction in suicidal thoughts and psychological distress, significant potential to aid in cessation of substance abuse, and have a significant chance to be one of the most spiritually meaningful experiences of a person's life and increas…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:45 PM
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it seems like the complaint may have been about causation Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:19 PM
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I have read other female commenters and posters at PPD saying they are literally bombarded with unwanted male attention literally all the time, everywhere I mean, there's a fairly large difference between getting a lot of unwanted attention and actually being seriously harassed and assaulted... I don't see why it's not believable that some of them get a lot of unwanted attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:13 PM
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I'm saying you can't assume people are crazy or fucked up for doing drugs like shrooms. Shrooms aren't really the kind of drug that lets people just 'get super fucked up man' or space out, nod off, etc. A significant proportion of people doing psychedelics are being very careful and often performing some sort of introspection with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:08 PM
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Ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:04 PM
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Almost half of people in the US believe in creationism, as well as ESP, 1/3 believe in ghosts, 1/4 believe in astrology, 1/5 believe in witches. Obviously there's overlap, but these are massive proportions of people with delusional beliefs. It's not something to be brushed aside.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:45 PM
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If you think mushrooms are the type of drug that 'nut jobs' do, let me introduce you to crack, coke, meth, and heroin
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:35 PM
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Here, take all my rage. Un fucking believable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:32 PM
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Allow me to rephrase - you don't have to interact with anyone you don't want to very much in your free time
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:27 PM
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Allow personal verbal attacks, allow race-baiting posts ... and I guarantee that the quality and activity will improve. ...why?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:17 PM
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Make a nice post about all the flaws in feminist reasoning you're thinking of. It'll probably do pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:13 PM
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It's [Current Year] you filthy misogynist, get on board with the feminism train or be sent to prison
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:09 PM
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Questionable validity, although it is interesting. She uses the fact that women were as likely as men to agree to have sex with famous, very attractive celebrities as evidence for her pleasure theory. Should have included a group of known propositioners (i.e. friends or familiar acquaintances) to control for attraction to the celebrity status.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 07:08 PM
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So you're basing it on your personal experience. I don't share your personal experience, and I'm not going to believe that women lie more as a group simply because you think they do. (hello confirmation bias)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:36 PM
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It's a greater threat precisely because there is little to nothing you can do to avoid it That doesn't make it a greater threat. If it killed a more significant proportion of people per year, it would be a greater threat, but it doesn't. terrorism is an issue that needs to be addressed and constantly mitigated If that's the position you're retreating to, then sure, I agree. But it's not an existential risk, it's not a significant risk, it's just another issue to be dealt with. Same way that you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:33 PM
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Linky linky
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 01:55 AM
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Do you think I meant every single liberal?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 01:44 AM
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empirical observations I already stated my experience common sense 'whatever I think is true' (It used to be 'common sense' that the Sun and everything else revolved around the Earth, and also that god exists)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 12:34 AM
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it in most cases results in fatalities, as you implied earlier I don't recall implying that. There is not much you can do on a practical level to protect yourself from sudden terrorist attacks. So what? That doesn't make it a significantly greater threat than all the other dozens and dozens of ways you're more likely to be killed, some of which you can protect yourself against and some of which you can't. countless terrorist plots have been intercepted as a direct result of more spending/refocus…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 12:32 AM
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You know how many second hand exposures to smoke you'd need to experience over how many years to even start to be at a moderate risk for life-threatening illnesses? And even then there are treatments. It only takes one madman with a gun/bomb/knife a split second to utterly vanquish you completely. You can take up your disagreement with the CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/ Airports and border service agencies don't spend billions of dolla…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 11:59 PM
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Well, does that mean you'd kill yourself or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 11:52 PM
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It really makes sense that she would be completely wrapped up in a social circle with others at least as 'abnormal' or moreso than herself. People like people similar to them, and since we now live with cars and internet etc. you don't have to interact with anyone you don't want to very much. Notice the similarity between her and people who are very conservative or very liberal or very religious or very [insert trait here]. Liberals can't imagine who's voting for Trump or why, and it's because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 11:50 PM
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terrorism is a existential threat, a virulent scourge that endangers all of us on a daily basis Why? It doesn't endanger all of us on a daily basis; secondhand smoke from cigarettes kills more people per year in the US alone than terrorism kills in the entire world. So unless we're prepared to be as concerned about the threat from soda, cars, cigarettes, and candy as we are about terrorism, it doesn't follow that terrorism is a particularly large concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 11:45 PM
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I wouldn't agree with that statement at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 11:35 PM
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Right, and they're saying all these misogynistic things like 'unwanted verbal engagement' and 'taking a photo without consent' should be reported as crimes (assuming the 'victim' 'feels' that they were motivated by prejudice or hatred or bias against women)? Or is that incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:56 PM
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money is the only real privilege What is privilege IYO?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:29 PM
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Did you even read the article? It includes 'unwanted verbal engagement' (this can be defined as any verbal engagement that is unwanted, including saying 'Hi, how are you doing?') and 'taking a photograph without consent'.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:20 PM
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women are arrested, charged with, and convicted of DV regularly in the US This is what I said. I didn't say male and female DV is treated equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:11 PM
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I have already said multiple times I agree in principle. That doesn't stop me from disagreeing on the specific language we're using. See: feminists/feminism complaining about oppression for [insert relatively harmless activity here]. Is there oppression against women in some ways? Yes. Is it appropriate to call every disadvantage or inconvenience oppression? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:09 PM
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So they're giving themselves a duty to investigate things that are obviously not against the law as hate crimes? I don't really understand what your point is here
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:08 PM
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Who gets to define when it's motivated by hatred or prejudice? Note that they say it's up to each individual whether they 'feel' like that's the motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:06 PM
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But that is an overwhelming difference in the level of shits given You can have a difference without it being 'overwhelming'. This is also a debate going absolutely nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:30 AM
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Sure, people would be less likely to care and less likely to call the cops or intervene. What is the relevance here? I'm disagreeing with the descriptor of 'overwhelming' difference in level of shits given, that doesn't mean I don't think there are problems/inequalities that should be solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:27 AM
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...That the outrage for female on male violence isn't 'overwhelmingly' less than male on female? Based on what I hear from people I interact with, articles I read, news I see, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:17 AM
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I think there is disproportionate outrage for male on female violence, yes, but I don't think 'overwhelming' or 'no one gives a shit' are accurate descriptors.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:12 AM
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If studies have no way of measuring it reliably, then nobody has any evidence supporting one way or the other, including you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:07 AM
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Believe it or not some of us have actually lived and breathed in the real world. You can say something is untrue as often and as firm as you like but that does not make it the case. Same to you friend :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:06 AM
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Then what are they talking about when they tell people to report things that aren't harassment (e.g. taking a single photo without someone's consent)?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:06 AM
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And you're just assuming women lie more than men in these studies...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 01:35 AM
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goddamnit, I even commented on it. My short term memory is shot. But I'll leave it up anyway, 37 comments isn't enough to constitute a full discussion IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 11:25 PM
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Private use means non-commercial. For example, I have in the past taken photos with random people in them as practice for street photography, or because I thought they added to the composition of a landscape photo, or whatever. You seem to be implying 'private use' means jerking off to it or something. It doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 11:24 PM
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Despite those stats, the vast majority of black people are not going to be physically violent towards you.... Both of those positions are prejudiced. The stats don't necessarily make it fair for me to make the assumption that every man or black person I passed is going to be violent towards me And if a majority of black people would be physically violent towards you? It's then not 'unfair' prejudice? Language is determined by the usage of the majority. The majority of people don't think MRA mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 11:21 PM
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it doesn't change the law, only how they record their statistics That's not my understanding. Nottinghamshire Police takes all reports of hate crime, including misogyny, very seriously. We would encourage anyone who has witnessed or been a victim of such a crime to report it to us by calling 101. Edit: Is there some other law that makes 'unwanted verbal engagement' or 'taking photographs without consent' a crime?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 11:14 PM
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'unwanted contact or verbal engagement' is included under the scope of the law. 'Taking photographs without consent' is as well. I'm not saying anything other than what the law says.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 11:11 PM
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Maybe I'd like to be compensated if that picture ends up being used in an ad Yes, this is regulated under the law. But for private use, it doesn't matter. You can think it's rude, but it shouldn't be against the law. it's always the amateurs who are out there photographing the public without permission. Many (most?) professional street photographers don't ask anyone's permission.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 11:10 PM
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Kind of like how race-realists tried to turn PPD into an HBD containment sub. Question: If we're allowed to talk about real biological differences between men and women, why not also about real biological differences between races? I can understand not allowing race baiting and obvious racism for its own sake, but if there's a legitimate point to be made, backed up with evidence, what's wrong with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 09:46 PM
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What about /r/menslib? What about it? Then they should stop saying shit like this Yeah, the people in the video are assholes. What about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:57 PM
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Okay, I guess I misunderstood slightly. for me personally the pragmatic reasons to have abortion legal 100% trump any "moral" objections That's fine I don't find the moral objections to abortion to be compelling arguments at all. That's also fine. The point I was making isn't that you must accept them, but that they are not frivolous reasons, nor are the people who believe them necessarily morons or uninformed etc. Do you agree that people can have serious, reasonable, moral objections to aborti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:33 PM
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So you can never discuss anything on a purely moral level? You can never separate public policy recommendations from critical moral reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:17 PM
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No, I don't like the incel posts, and I think a moratorium would be great.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:06 PM
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And that definition can be inappropriate, or in other words, reduce utility. That's the question I'm asking in the title.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:54 PM
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Language is fluid and its evolution is determined by how people actually use words. As this is how people actually use the word and usage shapes meaning, it's 100% appropriate to include prejudice in the meaning of misogyny. Suppose: feminist comes to mean 'someone who wants equal rights for all people' and men's rights activist comes to mean 'someone who wants equal rights for all people'. Everyone who wants equal rights for all is now simultaneously a feminist and an MRA. This makes the distin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:53 PM
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words can change, obviously Languages can evolve and words can take on appropriate meaning or inappropriate meanings. Just because a particular word is being ascribed a particular new meaning has nothing to do with whether that's a good idea or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:48 PM
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There is a negative connotation to the word prejudice. You aren't paying a compliment to someone when you tell them they are prejudiced. As nomdplume said, this is contextual, not inherent. Is English your mother tongue? I am wondering because such connotation is quite obvious to me. Yes, is it yours? Concerning the 5 employees, they aren't representative of all the black community. Statistically, your sample is too small. So that's prejudice. Ok, replace with 10, 15, 30, 40, 50, 60, 90, 120, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:46 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:40 PM
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The word you're looking for is rhetoric. Where am I looking for a word/What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 09:06 AM
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Yes they think that they are going to be attacked due to past events. Yes they may not be attacked this time but past experience lead them to believe this may happen because it did in the past. And no it's not prejudice: just read the definition. So if white people act scared of/avoid black people because they are statistically more likely to commit crimes, that's not prejudice, because it's based on past experience? Or if a particular white person has been beat up a couple times in their limite…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:41 AM
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You never fail to make me giggle <3
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:10 AM
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Your first example is not even an instance of prejudice. Your tribes are at war due to a past conflict. How does that make it 'not prejudice' when members of tribe A automatically assume that tribe B members will attack them? It is perfectly possible that for whatever reason, tribe B member may not attack tribe A member, no matter what past experience has shown. Tribe B members are not forced by cosmic will to attack tribe A members; they choose to do so, and they can choose not to do so. For a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:45 AM
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The fact that they don't acknowledge at all this obvious exspection/judgement when they have time to complain about sexist air conditioning. Some feminists have in fact acknowledged this problem (example), but regardless, feminism isn't about solving men's problems, just like MR activism isn't about solving women's problems. Further, if you polled feminists or BPers, I'm reasonably confident the vast majority of them would disagree. And to use oft-repeated RP reasoning (not to say it's wrong, ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:23 AM
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What point are you trying to make here? If it's that male victims of DV are under-recognized, then I wholeheartedly agree. The original point I was responding to was A woman can beat the shit out of a man [and it's considered okay] This is patently false (see the numbers posted above; women are arrested, charged with, and convicted of DV regularly in the US). Just to nitpick a little, the TIL is referencing this survey (http://www.dewar4research.org/DOCS/mdv.pdf) The sample in the survey is 100 …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:03 AM
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That one has no application in the real world so it is not worth discussing ...I don't know what to say to that. Torture vs dust specks also has no application or potential to exist in the real world, but it's not invalid nor useless. To give one overly simplistic scenario of where prejudice is reasonable does not mean that all prejudice is reasonable Obviously. My conclusion was that prejudice is not inherently wrong, not that all prejudice is reasonable... Five points if you can differentiate …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 06:47 AM
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I can't address the first example because it's too unrealistic and binary It's a thought experiment. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to address it because it's 'unrealistic'. Prejudice is treating the innocent with contempt for the crimes of the guilty. That's one sense of the word, but not the only sense. I don't think your example showed misogyny for that reason If misogyny includes prejudice against women, then my example was in fact misogyny. Perhaps I should clarify the scenario; we…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 03:09 AM
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a few SDs A few SDs in IQ is 45 points... does that mean you're 160+?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 02:26 AM
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I feel dirty. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 02:06 AM
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And yes it is relevant because you have to take pragmatic results into account and not just debate abstract theory. No, you don't. If the argument is specifically about the best policy, then it would be best to take into account actual real-world results, but there's nothing that says you can't just debate the theory on a moral or critical level. I am pro-choice. I have no interest in debating the specifics of the paper; all I said in this thread was that there are actual, serious moral reasons …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 12:15 AM
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That's not even an argument. I don't just accept things to be true because someone else thinks they're true. Give me evidence and I'll evaluate it, and if the evidence points to women being significantly more likely to lie, even on anonymous surveys and such, then I'll update my beliefs. Until then, the most parsimonious explanation is null difference. Edit: If we're going to talk 'personal experience', my personal experience is that women are no more likely to lie as a general rule than men. Ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 12:10 AM
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Leaving aside the fact that that research has been contested by many other researchers, including such big names as Steven Pinker, it's not really relevant to my response to kyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 10:55 PM
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There is plenty of data On relationship satisfaction differences b/w homosexuals and heterosexuals? Got links?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 08:24 PM
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Really? We've had a new generation appear within 8-12 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 07:37 PM
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disability Wouldn't someone with a disability by definition have less potential than if they didn't have it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 07:30 PM
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Weak argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 07:19 PM
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The title is gay men are happier and less stressed out than hetero men Not 'gay men have better relationships'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 07:18 PM
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Gay men tend to be happier IN RELATIONSHIPS than straight or lesbian couples According to what/who? Lower breakup/divorce rates are some evidence, but they're fairly weak evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 07:16 PM
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2004-2008
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 07:15 PM
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old studies The first one examined people in 1984-1987 and then followed up 10 years later, the second refers to many studies conducted in the early and mid 2000's, and the last one has data from 2004-2008... lonely men, not voluntary ... We used the Surveillance, Epidemiology and End Results program to identify 1,260,898 patients diagnosed in 2004 through 2008 with lung, colorectal, breast, pancreatic, prostate, liver/intrahepatic bile duct, non-Hodgkin lymphoma, head/neck, ovarian, or esophage…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 10:57 AM
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gay men are generally happier in their relationships than straight men Are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 10:46 AM
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I see. However, I don't think it takes away from their findings; check out the 95% CIs of mean BMI for heterosexual and homosexual (het 25.8-26.4 mean 26.1, homo 26.1-29.2 mean 27.6). The absolute lower bound of the 95% CI for lesbians is the same as the mean for straight women, and only overlaps on the higher side of the mean. And the survey was designed to be representative of the population, so we can't just reject these results for having a somewhat low sample size.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 10:44 AM
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Where does it say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 10:02 AM
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Yet open gays might be more likely to face overt bullying or negativity. I don't think we can confidently say either one is happier without some data.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 09:58 AM
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as is widely known to happen for women when it comes to avoidance of bad feelings Show me evidence that men don't do exactly the same thing...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 09:57 AM
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Well, that was released in 2001, and it's based on data from 1994-1995, but also yes, I do. Being gay still has some serious stigma in many parts of the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 09:49 AM
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Do you mean that open gays are less likely to experience those problems than closeted gays?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 02:07 AM
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Who says they have higher rates? the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health does Plus gay men are men so they would fall under men so straight men + gay men = more negative issues for men vs gay men. You're going to have to rephrase, because as stated this makes not a lick of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 02:03 AM
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Gay men have higher rates of [negative things] than straight men, because they are men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 01:47 AM
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I agree with the general claim, but Why do feminist/blue pill women think it's oppressive to compliment or flirt with women? This is a straw man, at least insofar as it is stated the way it is
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 01:36 AM
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... gay men are happier and less stressed out than hetero men gay people have more depression, more anxiety, more substance abuse, more suicide, etc. I am asking how we reconcile these two statements given that the second is pretty well established.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 01:33 AM
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How would we account for the fact that gays have higher rates of depression, anxiety, substance abuse, suicidal ideation, suicide attempts, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 01:22 AM
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And if they slap you only once?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 01:16 AM
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I don't think you are justified in beating someone unconscious or shooting them dead for, for example, slapping you once or twice. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 11:30 PM
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Link 1 seems quite evenhanded to me. Link 2 is fucking crazy I'll admit. Especially the part where he makes a comment about men not being vending machines for sex and gets utterly crucified while the exact reverse statement by women is practically a truism. Link 3 seems to have valid arguments on both sides, while it appears that the majority of the commenters are arguing for trickle truth. So I'll grant some points, at least for link 2, but again, the proposition was no women anywhere ever has …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 11:29 PM
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Then is it accordingly both smart and moral to beat anyone who attacks you, ever, to death? Since you can't know they don't have a gun or whatever, you should, any time you are attacked, try to kill your attacker?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 11:04 PM
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You could have picked anything. Puppies, restoring old historic artifacts, books for schools. But you didn't. You went immediately to children. But oh, you didn't stop at children, they had to be dead children, lol. Yes, because it's what the article was about. Were it primarily about puppies, I would have said '500 dead puppies' or whatever. You don't have to agree, but objectively, you are wrong. This is useless as far as arguments or evidence go. I've already laid out the criteria Yes, you've…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 11:01 PM
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All they care about is not going to jail ...right, and that's why they got into a physical fight in public, because all they care about is not going to jail? [fighting in public] is a sure way of getting the cops called on you. Allow me to introduce you to disproportionately black inner cities, where people primarily film and gawk at fights, as opposed to calling the cops. Even besides that, average police response time is ten minutes in the US. That is far more than enough time to beat someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 09:53 PM
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I think you might be mistaking leaving when the loser has had enough with making the fight as short as possible so you're gone before the cop's come. And you're assuming you know the context of every fight? Or that cops are always, or even often called for random fights? And are you now suggesting that when a woman hits a man he should beat her till shes had enough? lol Whenever anyone is being attacked, they should have the right to defend themselves with at least proportional force. If a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 09:27 PM
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I have never seen anyone who was winning a fight suddenly stop whooping the persons ass all of a sudden and say "well, he's beat up enough i guess ill stop". Really? Because the alternative is 'every fight ends in unconsciousness or death' which is definitely not the case. You can see this easily from the youtube and worldstar etc. videos. Most fights do in fact end when the winner decides the loser has had enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 09:07 PM
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culturally, no one gives a shit. I won't try to argue that people care less about violence against men, but 'no one gives a shit' is simply inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 09:04 PM
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Duluth Model piggery-jokery.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 08:03 PM
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Both the prosecution and defense sides conceded that he had demonstrated a history of abuse toward her, and that this abuse created a context for the assault. Expert witnesses "for both the prosecution and the defense testified that he had mentally and physically battered her, that the abuse was escalating, and that by 1993 she lived in constant fear of him." So in fact his own lawyers conceded that he had a history of abusing her. Also, listing individual cases is going to take a very, very, ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:57 PM
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The incels are pure AIDS. Well, I certainly can't disagree there. I made a thread about Asian masculinity recently (wasn't at all negative btw) and was told it had to be removed. That's questionable. I'd definitely support you making a meta-post questioning why topics having anything to do with race aren't allowed. If you don't, I'll at least message the mods myself and ask about it for my own information. some of the more mature reds should make a debate sub which allows more free speech, but b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:54 PM
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I also live in the US, and although there is a difference in the general severity of reaction, women assaulting men is not categorically 'okay', and women get arrested and charged for it plenty (1/4 of those convicted of domestic/family violence is a large, significant number).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:50 PM
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Even if convicted, most spend a few weeks in a psych ward rather than hard time for being a murderer or whatever. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:48 PM
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Yet you can find ample examples of feminists defending women even for ridiculously bad behavior that's clearly the woman's fault. Let's have em then. I enjoy a little outrage fodder now and then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:39 PM
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Here's what was said A woman can beat the shit out of a man [and this is seen as okay] This is categorically untrue. Edit: Also, the data is from 16 years ago. There's a pretty good chance the ratio of male to female violence has gone down since then (the gov't survey showing near equal rates of DV was from 2011 IIRC)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:33 PM
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As far as I can tell, you could make posts discussing actual differences between races, just no race-baiting or obvious trolling. Perhaps you should ask the mods about it if you'd like to see threads of that nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:32 PM
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certain topics cannot be discussed Which topics?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:23 PM
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You can't find a person who admits to thinking like this. No, I really don't think you can find a person who completely believes the following statement: no women anywhere ever has anything to do with what goes wrong in a relationship or a man's life
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:22 PM
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Um...the cops? Judges? Feminists? The same cops and judges that also arrest and charge women regularly with domestic violence? Men and women were equally likely to be arrested in incidents involving intimate partners or strangers as long as the circumstances were similar (e.g., equally serious offenses were committed). https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/222679.pdf While about three-fourths of the victims of family violence were female, about three-fourths of the persons who committed family vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 06:44 PM
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no women anywhere ever has anything to do with what goes wrong in a relationship or a man's life I don't think you can actually find me a single person who genuinely, fully believes this. if a drunk woman and drunk man have sex, the man is a predator and a rapist and the women is the victim, even if they're equally drunk. If a man has sex with a drunk woman it's rape, but not vice versa The protocol in this case is that the initiator/pursuer is the one at fault. I have no love for these ridiculo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 06:00 PM
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As a man, there is so much straw in this one post etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:50 PM
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I am not blue pill, and even if I was, it would have no bearing on the truth value of your claim. One of the primary questions this study sought to address was whether the self-serving attributional bias is in fact a widespread feature of human cognition. Our results unambiguously support the conclusion that the self-serving attributional bias is nearly ubiquitous across a diverse representation of samples varying in age, gender, psychopathology, and culture. The consistency of the self-serving …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:48 PM
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I see no reason to believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:36 PM
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http://faculty.polytechnic.org/gfeldmeth/45.marquis.pdf There are serious philosophers with serious moral objections to abortion. It's not just a bunch of idiots trying to keep down women (though they exist too).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:27 PM
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(adding the dead children in was a classy touch btw. A good old "Think of the children" never fails to buttress a flimsy point) It's a salient point, and it has nothing to do with 'thinking of the children'. That's disingenuous on your part. And considering your entire argument boils down to 'arbitrary restriction on who gets to say what', perhaps you should examine the flimsiness of your own point. Someone who says "every human life matters" and to then pursues it is the only person who can say…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:14 PM
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And correspondingly, I assume, that heterosexual men will be able to use the criminal history lookup?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 11:05 AM
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This is a research paper, not law nor legal guidelines.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:43 AM
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... In 2007, 2,336 women fronted court on domestic violence charges And 2,881 women were convicted of domestic assault in 2010. Clearly, either the Duluth Model is not dictating behavior in Australian jurisprudence, or it allows for women to be charged with domestic assault as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:40 AM
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even if a woman should batter a husband who is not violent towards her she is fighting against perceived patriarchal/societal violence. Is this actually written into Australian law?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:15 AM
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[women] hate to think of themselves as the bad guy. Nobody likes to think of themselves as the bad guy. I have no reason to believe women would lie more in completely anonymous contexts. Further, if society looks down on such behavior regardless of gender, men would be just as likely to lie about it; if society looks down on such behavior only in women, we would expect to see men consistently having higher scores, which they do not. It is their nature. I am wholly unconvinced that this is 'femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 10:14 AM
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by definition women do not commit DV yes they do, according to the police i concede to the categorical fallacy You mean you concede that women can be and are charged and convicted with DV?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 09:38 AM
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men can be both a victim AND a perpetrator of domestic and family violence, or sexual assault, women as well / according to them men cant just be victims. they are both victims AND perpertrators False. They only said men could be both victims and perpetrators at the same time. That does not mean they cannot only be victims. / I asked if you could point out where the paper made any of the three statements I quoted. I'm still waiting for that. / The original point I was asking about was whether th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 09:15 AM
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potential victims of DV (all women) Are you being willfully obtuse? The committee acknowledges that while women as well as men can be both a victim and a perpetrator of domestic and family violence, or sexual assault, research overwhelmingly shows that the majority of domestic abuse incidents are perpetrated by men against women. Annette Gillespie from Victoria’s Safe Steps Family Violence Response Centre, recently commented on the gendered nature of domestic and family violence and the confusio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 08:49 AM
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Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 08:01 AM
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This recommendations paper explains very clearly that women are the only victims of DV The definition they give: Domestic violence generally refers to acts of violence, threatening, controlling and abusive behaviour that takes place in domestic settings between intimate partners, including same sex partners or ex-partners, families and against an ex-partner after separation. The central element is an on-going pattern of behaviour aimed at controlling through fear and intimidation. In the majorit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:51 AM
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What say you to the person with no arms or legs who is barely scraping by themselves? Under your logic, if they don't do some significant work for other disadvantaged people, they don't get to say they believe every human life has value. And I repeat - what about the doctorate in biophysics? How about a soldier in an army that doesn't do public service work for the local people while fighting? Can he not say every human life has value when he's dragging his wounded buddy back to their vehicle? H…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:42 AM
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Yes, I read it, but I don't know which exact recommendation is about the dating criminal history tool, if there is one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 05:01 AM
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Great, don't engage with the thrust of my argument and instead point out how I misunderstood a word. That's intellectually honest for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 04:54 AM
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As far as I can tell from your source, the tool would be open to use by either sex. At least, this article which was linked in your article, doesn't use sex-exclusive language. Which would make your title misleading. Do you know for a fact that it would only be open to use by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 04:46 AM
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It's not hyperbole, it's reduction to absurdity. And I'll do it again. What say you to the person with no arms or legs who is barely scraping by themselves? Under your logic, if they don't do some significant work for other disadvantaged people, they don't get to say they believe every human life has value. And I repeat - what about the doctorate in biophysics? How about a soldier in an army that doesn't do public service work for the local people while fighting? Can he not say every human life …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 04:40 AM
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No, he's smiling. Here's one where he's not smiling http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/section/movies/filmography/1/WireImage_1696087.jpg Another attempted smile http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fringe/images/1/12/Clint_Howard_61st_Annual_DGA_Awards_Arrivals_2qiuWwogNiEl.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131112100250 And no, Clark Gregg is fairly good looking. Not amazing, but good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 02:57 AM
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http://wikipicky.com/uploads/celebrity/Clint%20Howard.jpg If you don't think that's an ugly man, we're pretty much not going to be able to say there are any ugly men who act or similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 11:58 PM
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No, obviously, and I really do not understand how you would get that from what I said. It's not a literal, absolute, across-all-situations mandate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 11:56 PM
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Please read
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 08:50 PM
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How often are women told to not even bother on dating sites if they're under a certain height? Men get height, women get weight. Although typically men aren't as rude and overt about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 08:43 PM
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DJ Qualls, Clint Howard, Lyle Lovett, Iggy Pop, Richard Kiel, Luis Guzman, Ron Perlman (debatable, but he's definitely not good looking), Matthew Faber, Vincent Schiavelli, Mike Myers, Gerard Depardieu....
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 08:42 PM
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being a human alone doesn't warrant value No, it doesn't, you're right. Imagine a human born with such severe mental disability that they are effectively in a coma from the moment of birth. Now imagine a normal dog. In this particular case, given that the human has never been conscious and cannot suffer, the dog has more moral value, as it is conscious (to some extent) and can suffer. However, people's (humans with the capability to suffer, reason, react to stimuli, etc.) interests should be val…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 08:28 PM
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you should only be allowed to say you believe human life has value, if you help disadvantaged people you can in no way profit from. How does that make any sense? Are you required to give all your money and assets away to help people less fortunate before you can say you believe human life has value? Just 3/4? 1/2? 1/4? One dollar every month to random homeless person? How about a person with a doctorate in biophysics who's developing new ways to make artificial organs, but who doesn't donate mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 08:20 PM
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You don't have a flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:55 PM
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proportional/symmetrical features Not IMO. She looks weird, almost retarded, nose and mouth too big, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:18 PM
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To be honest I don't really know why I talked about that figure and not the other. Although I would add that these figures aren't about couples with children specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 01:26 AM
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https://imysmediablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/100_0488.jpg https://www.photocase.com/photos/1424979-pretty-fashionable-young-woman-human-being-woman-nature-photocase-stock-photo-large.jpeg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hSCXx1TEZiU/maxresdefault.jpg http://www.loveme.com/images/p114949-1.jpg It was surprisingly difficult to find slightly below average. Most pics I found were either fairly good looking or hideous joke type pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 01:24 AM
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TRPers want to fight you even when you agree with them NO THEY DON'T! TAKE IT BACK!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 10:04 PM
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Silly Maude, SNL isn't a drawing show :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 10:03 PM
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liberals obsession with finding someone with the same values (& political leanings, etc.) Not liberals, everyone's.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 08:34 PM
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Porter is handsome as fuck u take that back
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 08:27 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/43ID71v.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 08:22 PM
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A fundamental flaw in most of these studies is people who are Machiavellian will often not want to out themselves, and women do not want to believe they are Machiavellian. Yet in multiple studies, women were indeed found to be more Machiavellian...And presumably if the researchers weren't dolts, they would have Mach tests be scored blind (nobody knows who exactly took which test), suppressing potential social desirability bias. women do not want to believe they are Machiavellian Why not? Wouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 08:18 PM
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I'm not trying to CYV, but the automod hasn't posted and I have a relevant thing to add so pls no delete http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/how-many-women-earn-more-than-their-husbands/ In 38 percent of heterosexual American marriages, the woman outearns her husband. But these numbers, which come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, are sort of confusing — a lot of those women are earning more because they’re the only member of the marriage who is earning anything at all. When the BLS looked ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 05:53 PM
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Nice post, thanks for sharing. I'm wondering how I didn't come across the first source given how thorough it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 11:20 PM
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they make my ass bigger. You say that like it's a bad thing. Glutes for the sloots, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:35 PM
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Didn't he get doxxed?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:28 PM
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there are still a lot of red and purple users (or a few black-flaired people) that engage this way, and despite that they're pretty openly liked and welcomed by mods, even in this very thread. it's pretty hard to see that as fair handling. It seems to me that most people who spend enough time here to flair themselves put in at least some threshold amount of effort and thought. Not always particularly rational or non-inflammatory, but they don't really troll as such. It's also hard to talk about …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:25 PM
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I bet you're one of those filthy lesswrongers too ;P
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:21 PM
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If differences in libido between the genders were actually due to socialization, then gay men in particular would have the lowest libido of all due to rampant gay-shaming and homophobia. But they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:39 PM
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men have a considerably higher virginity rate Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:36 PM
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Injecting testosterone in men and women may or may not decrease their sexual interest. Have you never read accounts of FtM transgender people describing the insane difference in libido after starting hormone therapy? Or the changes in low T men who get on HRT and return to a high level of libido? The data suggests you are mostly wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:30 PM
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I don't understand this post at all. Feminists don't like what, exactly? Police investigating rape claims? Police believing the alleged victim? Why would feminists not like these things? What would MRAs and feminists both like in terms of changes here?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:26 PM
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that women are equal to men [is not true] In what sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:16 PM
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I didn't say it was a disability. After thinking about it some more, I would consider any characteristic contrary to overall goals a 'flaw'. If you are a man and your goal is being as attractive as possible to as many women as possible, then being short is a flaw in my view. There are certainly upsides. For example, it's a lot easier for those of us who are a bit shorter to appear muscular. However, overall, being (say) 5'5" as a guy (assuming the above goal) is not insignificantly worse than be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 09:34 PM
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Sounds great, wife material behavior. I also generally agree with your edits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 09:25 PM
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I don't think you understand AF/BB properly. Also, it's not really a 'redpill' theory, or at least the concept isn't. Women's Sexual Strategies: The Evolution of Long-Term Bonds and Extrapair Sex Because of their heavy ohligatory investment in offspring and limited offspring number, ancestral women faced the challenge of securing sufficient material resources for reproduction and gaining access to good genes. We review evidence indicating that selection produced two overlapping suites of psychol…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 08:11 AM
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That doesn't follow; by the same logic, even mild (let alone severe) disabilities (mental or physical) are also not flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 03:18 AM
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Why is being short a physical flaw? It makes you (seem?) less dominant, and if you are a man, it is less attractive to women. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Shorter = higher pitched voice, generally, which is also contraindicated for social dominance in men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 11:28 PM
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So, it appears it is a situation that is completely within the power of the husband to fix, if he wants to stay married. I'm saying this is much easier said than done.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 03:45 AM
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I wouldn't call 6% a "dramatic" increase. Neither would I. So, it appears it is a situation that is completely within the power of the husband to fix, if he wants to stay married. I see why you might say this, but I don't think it's fully accurate. We know that men are more competitive and aggressive on average (I don't think I need to go looking for studies in order to assert this, but I will if you insist) and therefore that it is not completely within his power to simply not care.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 12:12 AM
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No matter how stupid or inane or offensive someone is, it's never going to be better because you were rude back. Did you read the source I posted? It does in fact support the notion that marriages with women making more are less happy and more prone to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 09:29 PM
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I agree with your general point, but that was unnecessarily rude. And I actually looked it up since nobody actually posted shit http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/how-many-women-earn-more-than-their-husbands/ In 2013, the University of Chicago Booth School of Business published a paper that looked at 4,000 U.S. married couples who responded to the National Survey of Families and Households. It found that when the wife was the higher earner, the chances that the couple would report being in a “ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 09:02 PM
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So what are you trying to prove? I provided evidence for more or less these statements. Did you read the title? "Sex Differences in Libido"? Libido is sexual desire/sex drive. TLDR: Men on average experience greater frequency and intensity of sexual desire than women. This appears to be related in large part to testosterone level differences. On average, men also masturbate much more often, want more frequent sexual intercourse, are less likely to be willing to forego sex, and are willing to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 06:46 AM
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it doesn't mean that the percentage of men wanting a committed relationship is lower than 50%. That's correct, and I don't believe I ever said otherwise, so either you're refuting a point I never made mistakenly or intentionally. I hope it's not the latter. Because people don't have sex when they marry, right? I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here, and from what little I do understand, you're again making a comment without actually understanding what's being claimed. A second …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 05:53 AM
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Playing videogames is about staying alive and spreading your genes? I think you're confusing proximate and ultimate causes and the relationship between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 02:16 AM
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take photographs without consent. The rest is concerning as well, but this in particular is just insane, assuming it means people on public property and not pictures of a sexual nature or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 01:57 AM
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This was great.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 01:24 AM
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because they're genetically less intelligent Have you actually looked into what studies say about IQ differences between races? At a bare minimum, we don't yet have enough specific information to make definitive claims about it, but there is a not-insignificant body of research that indicates it may in fact be the case. http://humanvarieties.org/2013/01/15/secular-changes-in-the-black-white-cognitive-ability-gap/ http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.html https://w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 01:08 AM
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... Accident rates are given in contexts such as 'accidents per 100,000 miles driven'. Therefore, they account for one group driving more overall. Edit: Your link contains data from the 1990s, mine from 2005-2007.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 12:04 AM
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I'm not talking about personal, individual relationships, but rather the societal level relationship between men and women. If a man thinks individual level relationships aren't worth it, that's his prerogative.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:38 PM
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Does anyone disagree with this? Apparently some people have problems with it, see this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4swdu4/sex_differences_in_libido/d5d28ft
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:33 PM
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a certain disease It's not just a certain disease. Look at the first link - it mentions 'low sexual desire' separately from HSDD. You looked at some partial data concerning a specific phenomenon (people's sex drive) and you came up with a universal conclusion that "males are less likely to care about being in a committed relationship in the context of acquisition of sex." You can't do that. This tells me you didn't actually read even the abstracts. Let me quote the relevant one for you. A large …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:29 PM
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On a widespread scale, I really don't give a shit about gendered differences. Some of us are interested in figuring out what's true, generally. If you're not, you don't have to participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:19 PM
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men take more risks and have higher accident rates but they are - in the technical sense, in getting from point A to point B without crashing - better drivers than women. How can they be considered 'better drivers' with higher accident rates?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:18 PM
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Seems plausible. All I'm saying is the higher insurance rates for young men do have some basis in logic/evidence. And even if we assume that it really was only due to women driving less overall, that wouldn't change the decisions of a profit-driven market. Risk is risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:41 AM
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I've had numerous enlightening discussions on this sub and learned a lot. And keep in mind there are a large number of blue pillers, purple pillers (like me), and those who don't identify with any pill. Some RPers make for shitty debate partners, just like some BPers. Some RP beliefs stand up to scrutiny, others (many?) don't. You can gain from a discussion either way - if a given argument devolves to obvious rationalization or denial of empirical evidence, then you can presume you are correct i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:38 AM
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Solid. Here is a source for women's subjective well being dropping over the past 40-50 years, for your reference (http://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/wp09-11bk.pdf)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:31 AM
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It's not about beliefs It certainly holds some specific beliefs, and some of them can even be tested. Others can't be tested directly, but can still reasonably be debated about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:22 AM
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Okay, decent enough source. The first one only gives rate of hypogonadism, not lack of sexual desire, and they don't seem to correlate perfectly. From the second While sexual interest problems tend to be much less prevalent in men than in women Supports my argument. By definition, some men will be below average in sexual desire. On average, men have greater sexual desire (and all other characteristics listed in the studies I cited). You haven't shown anything other than that not every man has a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 10:55 AM
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But that is not the case at all," Goldstein tells WebMD Magazine. "Many, many men -- about one in five --have such low sexual desire they’d rather do almost anything else than have sex." This statement is clearly hyperbolic ('rather do almost anything else' could conceivably include being beaten), and furthermore this is one doctor giving a quote to one source, not a paper or analysis of data. I'm happy to entertain this possibility, but your source may not be reliable, as it has no citations or…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 10:11 AM
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its shows you that real life situations are diverse. ...And? I know this. It is irrelevant to the apparent fact that men have higher sex drives, on average. What are we supposed to do with this info? How are we to act on it? It informs other aspects of debate, it refutes blank slatism, it provides evidence against wrong beliefs that have been expressed here previously, etc. I don't need to know how the average man behaves. Just need to know how to please my man. Then why even bother being on thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 09:39 AM
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Yes, but women are generally less aggressive and less physically violent than men (psychological violence may be a different story). As to driving: women take fewer risks, are less likely to be excitement seeking, engage in fewer risky driving behaviors. Men also appear to have a slightly higher accident rate, at least in 2005-2007 when that data was collected. I don't think it's quite as simple as them just driving less.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 09:27 AM
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I am looking to understand what exactly is true and what is not true, both in general, and as it relates to gender politics. Simple or common stereotypes are not always true, and all I have done here is compiled evidence that men have higher sex drives than women. I didn't try to make any ideological points about it. It has no bearing on how much each sex enjoys sex, or as you say, the type, intensity, or frequency of orgasms. Also, one of my girlfriend's boyfriend doesn't last more than 2 minut…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 08:54 AM
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You realize that women's bodies are more sensitive to testosterone, and giving a transman more testosterone than normal is going to exaggerate the effects? Yes, I do, but if you consider the fact that hypogonadal men also experience increases across the same measures with exogenous testosterone administration (1, 2, 3) then it seems like the effect of the difference in sensitivity is only a part of it. I don't know how much though, that's a pretty specific area that needs more research. You've a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 08:46 AM
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my tone Your tone is perfectly fine, and in fact a lot better than many posters here. Keep it up :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 02:29 AM
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Very interesting. I would not have expected those results.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 02:17 AM
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"Of the 2012 child abuse cases, 45.3% of the perpetrators were male and 53.5% were female." Where did this come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 01:51 AM
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jokes on u i didn't read any of it either :-))))
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 12:42 AM
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I agree with this rebuttal. A similar argument involving African Americans African Americans kill each other more than an order of magnitude more often than police kill African Americans. Why should society care about excessive use of force/lethal force towards African Americans? Also, women discriminate even more than men do against women in academia ref. Why should society care?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 12:00 AM
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I giggled like a tiny schoolgirl. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 11:01 PM
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How is surgeon not respectable?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 08:56 PM
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This doesn't make much sense. Office type workers and analysts were required and are required to design and maintain a bunch of things you probably make use of (unless you're totally self-sufficient). Designing your car or truck, for example, or designing and marketing your gun(s), inventing, designing, and maintaining the power grid, figuring out the safety standards for your dwelling, inventing, designing, and improving solar panels you might use if you're self sufficient, ad infinitum. I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 08:48 PM
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Working with your hands So basic carpentry is a less shit job than attorney or research scientist? Manufacturing As in, working in a factory? killing animals What, professional hunter? I really have no idea what standard you're using to determine job quality here...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 08:24 PM
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What, then, is 'not a shit job'?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 08:14 PM
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getting my PhD in biochemistry research scientist Practicing attorney grad student in math/physics. I'm an attorney. disability management, specifically consulting on worker's compensation claims. trying to become a doctor. Military historian/defense policy analyst. The only one that 'doesn't work' or isn't a student atm is a landlord. The above are 'shit jobs'?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 07:38 PM
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I don't agree that there is relevant precedence. Never before have men been truly marginalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 07:24 PM
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She isn't actually anti feminist, yet she's written, literally, entire books on how men are becoming second class citizens (more or less)? That seems unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 07:23 PM
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You believe in a god?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 08:58 AM
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It is worth noting that that resource was created by a mod of this sub, dakru. I agree on the excellence :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 08:54 AM
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Imagine a men's TV talk show (generally not a male preference) where four men sit down and make patronizing comments about women. https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/17517-cbss-the-talk-cal "In other news, a man's wife filed for divorce, and he tied her up, removed her clitoris, threw it in the garbage disposal, and told police she had it coming. Well of course she did! That'll teach her! I find the whole situation rather hysterical." I'm laughing out loud at the size of the firestorm i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:27 AM
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women enjoy movies about men but men hate chick flix. This doesn't seem to have any bearing on inter-gender empathy levels. Every man could be hugely empathetic with women's problems and still hate chick flicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:17 AM
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I'm not sure anyone seriously holds the opposing viewpoint...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:14 AM
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Given that I agree with you on this aspect of gender politics, does it seem more likely that my other (top level comment) arguments are not so naive?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:13 AM
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some colleges have tried to make guys attend "How not to be rapey" seminars There's no trying, they're doing it. Check out my post on TRP here https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3jsjnl/if_you_dont_think_feminism_is_brainwashing_young/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:21 AM
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This isn't an argument or evidence in support of an argument, it's a restatement of your thesis. women collectively don't care about men's problems What does this mean, exactly? Women on average don't care about men's problems? No women care about men's problems? No woman can, upon hearing a man expound on the nature of men's problems, think 'yeah, men do have some tough shit facing them'? I can see how you might think something like this if the majority of your evidence comes from PPD/BP/reddit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:17 AM
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At least your flair is on point, if not your approach to debating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:46 AM
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That isn't very helpful if the goal here is getting me to agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:38 AM
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I did read the link. I don't see how it argues against me, other than the fact that we might expect to see a somewhat disproportionate representation of men in high level positions. Even conceding that point, those were only meant to be examples of advantages men have; there are other examples of male privileges that don't involve bell curve explanations. You might have a better chance of getting me (and others reading) to agree with you if you present your contextualized argument fully to me in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:36 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/wiki/resources/rbomi#wiki_2._demonization_of_male_sexuality http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/ That second article is really, really good. Edit: I would respectfully ask that you consider my top level comment in this thread, and keep it in mind when you consider the strength or weakness of the above links.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:24 AM
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You've never heard it explained like a (critical theory)philo/IR majors done it before. I can't parse this. If you're saying I'm misunderstanding, then feel free to correct me. If you don't already see the fallacy then you're self-deceptive. I'm perfectly open to being argued against, but from the information you've given me so far I don't see compelling evidence that my above reasoning was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:17 AM
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As far as I understand, the bell curve phenomenon between the genders states that the male bell curve on most categories is 'longer' (that is, greater variance, or practically, more at the top and more at the bottom and less in the middle, as compared to women). I don't see how it undermines my perspective or logic in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:55 PM
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So Peter Singer is the second coming?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:18 PM
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If we devote 0 units of time/effort to women's issues, and we make it clear that we are doing so, then we condemn ourselves automatically to a reciprocal of 0 units time/effort. On the other hand, we have at least some nonzero chance of reciprocal time/effort if we make even a minor contribution to women's issues. You make a valid point about the game theory at work here. There are four options, and two Nash equilibriums. One equilibrium is that we work with each other and for each other, optima…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:15 PM
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they've never been teached about it *taught Not trying to be an ass, just in case you weren't aware :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:53 PM
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Yes, that's true, and I never said nor implied otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 09:41 PM
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Losing water weight is useless in terms of health/weight control. The fact remains that you do not lose a significant amount of weight in just one week (maximum healthy loss is on the order of 1-2 lbs). I said nothing about energy; I said you don't get a new body. Which you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:47 PM
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You can give individual examples all you want and it won't break the logic. Alienating a group with as much or more power than you is not the optimal way to get your issues fixed; working with that group makes you both more efficient in achieving your goals. Besides that, I also gave you literally dozens (if we include the large list) of examples of people who do in fact already care about men and/or men's issues. I cannot see any reason why we would be better off by disregarding women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:45 PM
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the overwhelming majority of people don't care I would say a majority of people don't really care about either gender's gender-specific or gender-disproportionate issues. Whatever the case is, the fact remains that the most efficient way to solve men's problems is by working with women, not around them. If we were to say 'we're going to stop giving a shit about any of your issues', even those women who do care for men's problems, and those who don't really care about either gender's problems, ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:26 PM
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People have also reported losing weight using the app and enjoying their new body. I'm all for more exercise, but you don't lose a significant amount of weight in a week, and you certainly don't get a 'new body'.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:19 PM
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This might be the first time I've ever wholeheartedly agreed with you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:04 PM
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Even if men under 40 had zero advantages, it wouldn't change the logic that alienating the majority of the electorate will not help problems get solved, and in fact it is likely to set back efforts to solve problems. We cannot solve our issues by going around women, because then the issues wouldn't (all) actually be solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:59 PM
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Nobody cares about men's problems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Hoff_Sommers https://1in6.org/ http://www.mensadviceline.org.uk/ https://www.mensline.org.au/ http://mankindproject.org/ http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/04/30/boys_are_struggling_in_school_why_everyone_should_care_about_the_gender.html https://www.thecalmzone.net/about-calm/what-is-calm/ http://justdetention.org/people/designation/jdi-staff/ http://clarissethorn.com/2011/01/02/men-dont-deserve-the-word-creep/ htt…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:55 PM
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Then do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:37 PM
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A shitty statement, that actual rational people (Christina Hoff Sommers is a good example) are working against. In either case, the maximum utility is gained for men by not completely alienating half of the population. And apparently, since women are now equal to or greater than men in terms of institutional power (according to OP), pissing them off (by, for example, dismissing the fact that they also have problems that affect them disproportionately) will lead to less utility for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:32 PM
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The prob elm with trying to combine things is that we give a one-size-fits-all solution to the problems facing men and women, the current culture refuses to recognize that men and women are inherently different and therefore have their own unique strength and weaknesses, instead the culture wants to insist that boys can be girls and girls can be boys with the only difference between them being their initialize I didn't say this, and it's nonsense. You can recognize the inherent differences betwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:24 PM
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What are 'male problems'? Who is telling you 'you don't exist'? Do psychiatrists/psychologist/doctors/family/friends/etc. not want to help you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:20 AM
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Men should focus their time and energy addressing the problems facing them instead of worrying about women's feelz. I'll respond to this sentence as it seems to be a decent distillation of your post. This is very much the wrong thing for men to do if the goal is fixing the largest number of problems possible for themselves (i.e. maximize utility to men). It makes sense to acknowledge that even given the disadvantages you listed (and they are not insignificant, to be sure) men also have many adva…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:18 AM
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Why would it have outlived its purpose? Yes, of course behavior -> environment -> behavior -> environment (or genetics -> environment similarly), but why does this make it useless to measure genetic vs. environmental effects?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 03:42 AM
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There's a bunch of arguing going on about libido differences between the genders, and unsurprisingly a dearth of citations or references. http://psr.sagepub.com/content/5/3/242.abstract The sex drive refers to the strength of sexual motivation. Across many different studies and measures, men have been shown to have more frequent and more intense sexual desires than women, as reflected in spontaneous thoughts about sex, frequency and variety of sexual fantasies, desired frequency of intercourse, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 02:56 AM
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Are you a proponent of blank slatism then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 02:29 AM
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a bit offended Why? Would you also be offended by some arbitrary physical preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 02:26 AM
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It's actually been shown that men judge attractiveness more on face than body while women do the opposite. I'd love a source on that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 02:20 AM
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Or do you set up "duck blinds" out of boudoir furniture and piles of clothes so you can observe them without skewing the results? A+
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 02:38 AM
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TBP: no logical arguments, just complains and down votes. Maybe on TBP the sub, but here there have been plenty of decent arguments made by BPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 02:30 AM
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Ah. Poe's law is a bitch.
/r/PussyPassDenied12/07/16 02:02 AM
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basically raped this man Not even close. I have no patience for modern feminism or pussy passes but this is just absurd.
/r/PussyPassDenied11/07/16 07:40 AM
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I actually don't think either of these completely compete with TRP but still girlschase and good looking loser
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 07:29 AM
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people who are young make irrational decisions All people make irrational decisions. Old people don't do better in behavioral economics experiments.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 07:27 AM
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Love and associated positive emotions are most strongly present between close family members and mates, and they appear to be near universal. Why? All traits are based on genes, and the genes that have the highest chance of replicating remain, while those unlikely to replicate go away. Love and similar emotions cause people to do things that contribute to the health (and ultimately, the replication) of those closest to them (read: those with the same genes). Love doesn't only appear between mate…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 07:24 AM
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There was a time (~1940s), where women didn't have the right to vote Que? 19th amendment ratified in 1920 bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 07:06 AM
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main contributors != majority of RPers
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 03:50 AM
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9 times out of 8 I like the cut of your jib
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 04:44 AM
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are you alright, questioningwoman? Hahahahahaha No. No, she is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 04:42 AM
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Purple leaning red I would turn them in, because a world in which people didn't turn them in, I believe, would be a worse world overall (in terms of total utility/happiness/suffering)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 08:28 PM
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How far does that extend? In any case of rape, would you still think about how they're a snitch? How about a witness to a murder?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 08:26 PM
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No, it isn't. The law could theoretically define person to exclude black people. That would not make it an accurate definition. Whether something is written in a law has nothing to do with the truth value of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 07:36 PM
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Whether any given country has a law saying that is irrelevant to the truth value.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 09:47 AM
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A fetus isn't a person. Murder applies to people. Claiming it's murder sounds so ridiculous it's hard for me to take the rest of it seriously. I agree with you, but this is an opinion, not (necessarily) fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 05:08 AM
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Can you link this article?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:31 PM
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The danger is of taking so wide a view that it ‘strips the concept of “oppression” of its political meaning and obscures the social relations of domination and subordination’ (Messner 1997:22). This point is reminiscent of discussions of the Marxist concept of alienation, as one of those terms which ‘in attempting to explain all, essentially explain nothing’ (Johnson 1973). However, the view that all are alienated (or oppressed), remains meaningful as long as different types of alienation and di…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:16 PM
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Because if you deny there is an income gap you are demonstrably incorrect. It's best not to say things that are wrong in an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 06:48 PM
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I agree, although not on the point of gender being negligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 08:13 AM
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The biggest difference between men and women is that men can easily combine work/career and a family but women can't easily do the same. Why do you say this? I agree that life is hard for many men, due to many reasons, and for some men, harder than if they were women. But that's not true across the board. Most men have an easier life than most women. Oppression is not a zero sum game. Only about 5% of jobs in America are manufacturing jobs Manufacturing jobs aren't even particularly dangerous; n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 08:01 AM
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Poe's law.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 05:43 AM
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That makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 04:28 AM
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Women today have more rights than men do I don't necessarily disagree, but can you expand on/be more specific about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 02:57 AM
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