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Just being a teenage guy and having your parents buy you a car increases your mate value and it was something I was always envious of when I was younger because I came from a single mom household So of course I was going to be at a disadvantage trying to date women who could easily date guys who had cars or even guys who were older in college who had cars
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:24 PM
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Because these types of women saying this openly ironically reinforces patriarchy because if every woman finds all those things attractive they're always coated archaic things men are expected to do like go chase money and be the high earning guy and every time a woman says that's her dating standard it only reinforces that patriarchal standard which is I'm pretty sure something she would hate it's just women need to think more critically about their dating standards and how they reinforce patria…
/r/ExRedPill17/02/26 11:23 PM
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You can't really work on your face besides maybe losing some fat and adding make and skin care and such but your overall face is going to stay constant versus changing your body which is doable but does not always equate to being more attractive therefore getting more dates once again my original point stands it takes men years and years and years to become attractive because what's attractive in men versus what's attractive to women is so different and takes a lot more
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:06 PM
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I don't like the red pill either but as I get older I see it as a necessary evil because there's no alternative script There's tons of debate on what constitutes the correct approach ideals origin points behind the behaviors on why men should and how they should not approach women but no one even questions why that's still a thing and why women don't even do the opposite we still as a culture have a lot to unpack with male sexuality
/r/ExRedPill17/02/26 05:11 AM
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It's super hard for men to have sex versus women which is why you see this type of behavior because it's hard to know about sex positivity if you can't get a woman to have sex with you and it is mostly for reasons outside your control If I was not tall and handsome I would probably still be a virgin just because I'm not so provocative with my masculinity I'm not loud I don't care about muscles or cars or money etcetera We tend to forget that heterosexual women also have tons of biases that come …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:09 AM
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But here's the thing women want their cake and eat it too and what I mean by that is socially You notice how men who are basement dwellers or not attractive or athletic are still put down easily by society the same so called progressive society It's like women are not allowed to be called the worst thing that affects their gender but for men it's still fair game for us
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:00 AM
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I had to explain this difference to my female coworkers A lot of girls don't realize or even think about the other side from the time they are teenagers or hit puberty they get sexual attention to them for nothing and but I mean by that is women don't have to be impressive try hard or have to go up to the opposite sex to have a successful sexual life In theory a girl could go from high school all the way through to her 30s and have an entire sexual history without ever having to lift a finger Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:59 AM
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You have to understand there's no sex positivity for those guys because they are unattractive therefore there's a barrier to even getting sex and I think attractive people have kind of mental block to not understanding that Not to mention there's also a side of male sexuality that is demonized and seen as creepy just by default
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:55 AM
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And that's the crazy thing that makes us men angry is that at the end of the day it is a sexual performance in a way we are all kind of being human Peacocks when it comes to attracting women and even at a young age I could see it and I kind of resented it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:40 PM
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Also we have to admit that sometimes when we are exposed to a schema or bias we will sometimes psychologically look for it and confirm it as well because believe me I'm going through the same thing in my 20s with women even though I've had more success but I also have to tell myself I have also had an equal amount of women who have made me feel extremely good versus the amount that have made me feel like crap and I have to challenge that bias sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:38 PM
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We men could easily say the same thing about when women constantly complain about emotional labor and it's crazy because it's such a childish complaint because you are right it's literally a part of every single relationship and the point to where we are actually calling it emotional labor kind of proves that it's not loving and it's just another tool Women but in any relationship any partner could use against someone It's crazy because I caught my ex girlfriend in the middle of a tirade like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:38 AM
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For me it was after college and watching the Red Pill movie and realizing just how much it resonated because it's true as our society really does see us as disposable And you're right it's like one of those once you see it you can't Unsee it type of things
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 05:16 AM
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I had to be fourteen and I was in middle school. We were in a computer class and everything was good until a couple of girls showed up late. The way they already acted was so entitled and spoiled but I got up from my seat to go to the bathroom by the time I got back I got back just in time to witness these two girls throwing my jacket and backpack in the floor and taking my seat. If this was any other time they would have gotten away with it but my male computer teacher saw the whole thing and h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 03:50 AM
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Yes
/r/ExRedPill04/02/26 12:01 AM
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But what if you do all of this for years and still feel like you're stuck Or that you're pulling your own psyche apart
/r/ExRedPill03/02/26 04:10 AM
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Of course not and this is I've got to tell like I tell them like I hate the narratives of people feeling bad for women who date criminals or convicts or gang members or mafia or cartel because those women still get benefit from being around those men they get the clothes they get the status they get the fashion they get all the money but it comes at the cost of other people suffering and getting killed But because their women were expected to feel bad for them and I just don't understand that an…
/r/ExRedPill02/02/26 06:42 PM
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I thought about making something called the White Pill just helping young men with the current world because the problem with modern feminism is that it tells young men basically all the things they could potentially do wrong versus actually giving them advice that will make a girl like them because it will scrutinize so many other things with modern radical feminism. A lot of young feminist boys come to that rude awakening when they start trying to date because all those stereotypically toxic m…
/r/ExRedPill02/02/26 06:30 PM
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This is my problem not just when it comes to stuff about masculinity but also kids is that sometimes adults are so focused on trying to tell a kid why they're wrong then understanding how they got to this conclusion and when I was a young man I would have been considered red pill just because of the things I was exposed to and saw in my real life We need a movement for men that women have had and I don't mean just legally but I'm talking about the perception socially of men young men would not f…
/r/ExRedPill31/01/26 10:10 PM
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Feminine is a buzzword nowadays but we could basically use it as coded for any man that does not fit into very harshly strict masculine ideas or ways of being And you're right a lot of women especially progressive minded women will pay good lip service to the ideas that their allies to these types of people but once again how they act in the dating world kind of exposes the opposite I'm a heterosexual man but I've heard tons of bisexual men say exactly what you're saying the moment a girl finds …
/r/ExRedPill31/01/26 09:58 PM
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I believe this is where a lot of guys start to go red pill myself included is because we're told that being new age more feminine bisexual and having any other alternative forms of masculinity that's not overly angry or aggressive is OK and we've been told it's been OK by progressive minded women but we all got a rude awakening when we actually went out into the dating world and see that most heterosexual women still want traditional masculine men It's worse where I'm from my city is half countr…
/r/ExRedPill31/01/26 09:48 PM
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That's because young boys have been told that they inherently are threats you can see this type of interaction with people when people start play fighting or play threatening especially when the man takes it seriously and I say that as a big dude Men are seen as either super violence or super idiots basically and that gets old but men ironically prove it true when men use violence to stop disrespect and as a big black man that's a line I've had to constantly teeter totter on my entire life Espec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 09:44 PM
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I think that's a combination of normal nerves when it comes to sleeping with someone regardless of sex but also the type of demonization male sexuality gets As much as we like to project onto men that men love having nothing but sex we tend to forget the downside of constantly saying that to both men and women is that men now feel like their sexuality is nothing but tainting and women now feel like a straight man and his sexuality is disgusting First girl I ever slept with had an orgasm and ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:42 PM
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And the crazy thing is there's tons of men that experience that as well But it's crazy because it's not seen as like the mainstream narrative of men's sexuality We are all humans but how we express our sexuality is going to be different and varied and I mean that amongst heterosexual people And I say this for the fact that heterosexual men and women will still sexualize inanimate objects just to give you an idea
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:17 PM
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Exactly This is why I hate when men and I get it men think it's humbling if they do this but it ironically only feeds into the idea they were all just bumbling idiots who can't get along in society Self deprecation is good in small doses
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 07:09 PM
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I get that and that is why I am also single it's just a different ball game as a man versus a woman most women whatever stage of life they are at still are attracted to experienced man Which means even if you had very nerdy introverted girl She's still going to want Herman to have just a little bit more than her even if he's introverted and nerdy and I say this from experience now as a 30 year old with 10 years of dating behind my back now It's just something I've noticed is that girls really ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:59 PM
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That is the narrative but I don't think that's really true and I say that because I'm looking at my mother's generation who are older women and they have been honest with me and they espouse the feelings of being lonely and wanting a man but I think that's a normal human thing And remember just because you have a standard does not mean that you fit it but more importantly our standards are really things that we want versus what is considered in front of us if that makes sense A lot of women get …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 06:45 PM
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That ironically just proves me right even more yes you are right they are still motivated by money. But people go make money for resources for either themselves entertainment or to pay for food protection especially for family you see if you can't get access to a family then what's the point of making more money? Which is also probably why you see more men not dating right now I'm doing pretty OK for a 30 year old man who was single with no children and as I say men are judged by money yet some …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:30 PM
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I think he's just trying to get you to think more critically because I hate the whole idea that people are owed anything because that can be true for everything all around and then we'll have to question more about ourselves if that is true Let's say every farmer in America told themselves that they don't owe anybody anything and they stopped farming well that's going to be a problem for the rest of the population because now we're going to have a food shortage you see And that's just one exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:53 PM
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It's basically the equivalent of what some men do because attraction isn't negotiated and it's also not moral this is something I have to tell older women in my family because of their own choices with men. When a woman's getting turned on by the criminal bad boy with tattoos it's her monkey brain getting turned on even though her human brain is probably telling her that that guy probably wouldn't be a good father or will probably end up in jail but her lady parts are still getting turned on by …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:50 PM
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The problem with this for both genders is that it inevitably leads you being more single longer and eventually out of the dating pool because people get caught in thinking of trying to be the best they think they need to be and on the flip side a lot of people think they're better than what they really are when there's tons of good people in front of them And I'll give an example there are tons of good women right that seem dateable But these women view themselves as higher than men around them …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:47 PM
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Try to come to a place of understanding your brother versus trying to make him see he's wrong because this is what I think a lot of older people do wrong not just with young children that are radicalized but just in general Meet him where he is instead of going all out and telling him how wrong he is because ironically they could just make him double down especially at such a young age where he doesn't even know anything Just like young girls don't want to be seen as vulnerable young boys don't …
/r/ExRedPill31/01/26 04:41 PM
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Yes if you can find it show it because that right there is an encapsulation of basically what I mean. She is the security guard and ironically because of modern feminism's crazy dogma trying to make it seem like men and women are the same she probably joined up thinking she could stop a threat but of course she's a tiny woman and I bet as soon as trouble came she ran which is crazy because from most people's view she did nothing wrong because of course she's a woman. Viewed as needing protection…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 05:35 AM
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That was very brave and awesome of you you showed courage situational awareness and bravery You are right about how the social conditioning takes especially since young boys are told this consciously and subconsciously their entire lives You were also right is that I don't think women really do appreciate what the protector role entails especially since you are very much correct .Two men. One woman. One man ends up dead Or both Or were both injured or one goes to jail or even both and I say this…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 05:30 AM
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As the son of Martin Luther King once said you cannot attract with vinegar it needs to be honey and that applies to all human logic and groups but you're right in the fact that feminism fails its own ideology by acting this way ironically And I think this is why so many young men fall for it because at a glance as a young man feminism makes sense not only just for women but for you Feminists can analyze so many different ways gender interacts and intersects with our society and how it affects pe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 06:38 PM
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You're correct and which is probably why a lot of women get offended when you point out that they actually have a huge bias working for them but you'll be surprised how many women also understand just this When you're seen as something vulnerable and needing protection that is a privilege which means you don't have to expose yourself to violence or crazy situations as much and at worst it's not expected for you as a gender like it is for the men And you're right it starts at a young age I have a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 06:30 PM
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It's because we have barely even scratched the surface of what's considered misandry and how all the ways traditional masculinity can backfire on men but ironically because of A combination of the women a wonderful effect and how men have the opposite bias is probably why our society doesn't even question Misandry because it's basically expected. Think about it it's Miss Andrus to expect men as a class to basically be self sacrificing and to be put on some type of hamster wheel of constantly per…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 06:26 PM
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The crazy thing is most men will do all of that for years and still have no luck just because it is inherently just that much more difficult and I say that as a 29 year old who's barely had some success with women after leaving college but that still took so much work and heartache and tears and struggled to the point where finally getting the hook up didn't even feel worth it And I don't a lot of women really do understand this just as men don't understand women's experience because we are two …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 01:33 AM
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This is something I learned at a young age My mom of course being a woman did not understand what she told me to not go for every girl and let one come to you but as a man you slowly learn that just does not happen Instead of a dancing gesture I think the Peacock should be the symbol of all the things that go wrong with modern dating and men's disadvantage The Peacock evolve to have those extravagant feathers because the female Peacock found it to be very attractive. Though super colorful feathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:36 PM
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When you are perceived as vulnerable people will take extra care to be nicer be more protective and care about your well being
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 10:58 PM
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It's a part of their mental gymnastics to the victim in every single scenario regarding a man I've had to tell many of my white female friends that them actually being seen as vulnerable is a privilege because they're afforded extra protection and most people don't see their voice actions or words as a threat like let's say a man especially minority men And naturally especially since they've been brainwashed by feminism they're never going to really see that they have been brainwashed into the w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 06:42 PM
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That's it and I want to write some type of book based off of this phenomenon but I like that term It's crazy modern feminist women criticize and pick apart masculinity but once again they show their cognitive dissonance because they will still want their boyfriend husband or male friends to walk them home at night because of their own fear That's why women have such a hard time trying to date like men and what I mean by that is actually putting themselves into the pursuer role because they still…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 06:40 PM
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Exactly this is something that slowly made me look at critically instead of seeing them as the victim because it's hard to feel bad for a woman who will tell you a story about being brutalized by a man but in the same breath talk about another man in the most crazy ways usually through gendered norms like his height or his income or how he looks etcetera These same women will swear that their allies to the LGBT but if there's a man they don't like they will call him gay as a pejorative insult. N…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 06:35 PM
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That is something else inherently hypocritical and another cognitive dissonance so many left leaning people and especially modern white women have is their privileges come from working class men I say this as a black man the most annoying woman to me when I was in school even though she's probably well meaning was the Super rich liberal white woman because her entire lifestyle comes from the very privileges she says she hates about society and she's not wrong per se I remember I was sitting in c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/26 06:33 PM
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I've been saying this literally since I was a kid and the fact that so many people don't get the cognitive dissonance is exactly why so many young men are turning right because you can't have two narratives that contradict each other at the same time We can't scream about all the unfair ways gender effects women but we literally hand wave the same type of gend nonsense that affects and especially when people get emotional and self righteous that's where you really see it. For example this lady s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 04:58 AM
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Believe me I've had some success with women so I know not all of them think the same way and like men could be attracted to a wide variety of different things but I'm speaking in general especially for my own culture I'm from the hood and that's basically the script you see with these girls from the time they're in high school all the way to their 40s My grievance is that it is kind of true because it's literally what older people told me when I was a teenager especially since I'm very physicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:47 PM
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It's what you say they are both young and inexperienced I used to harp on crazy stuff like this with my ex girlfriend but the fact that I dated women afterward who did not have a problem with me kind of proves it's an individual thing. Men have to constantly analyze if they are atoned to their woman's feelings but the other way around should be there as well Women need to understand that they are in a relationship with a man too when he has needs and things he's probably not comfortable with eit…
/r/ExRedPill31/12/25 01:26 AM
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You can look in my own community the black community most black men are single childless and middle class and honestly most are women are too so let me ask you this question then who was having most of our kids in this population......? A good chunk of our women choose the small percent of our men who do lean into the stereotype and I mean constantly in and out of jail running the streets and so many of our women seem to really be attracted to this type of man and they will be proud to tell you …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:20 AM
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That's part of the problem though bro there is something wrong with a society where normal average men who are good men keep losing to ex convicts just because they have confidence most good men also have confidence I truly do believe a lot of women see criminal men's traits as masculine as attractive even though normal men can have the same traits and there is something wrong with that and I am speaking from the black American experience I would hate to have a son now because I would want him t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:17 AM
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There are infinitely more men that are empathetic to women's issues than men who are not And men are not saying take accountability if something bad happens to you like getting beaten or sexually assaulted what they are saying is don't try to shield your bad behavior with rape or getting beat by a man when you either choose to be around those types of men or continuously choose to be around those types of men with that personality type A lot of girls know that they will be believed versus a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:13 AM
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This response shows your ignorance and I'm not saying that women have not made great gains in society but you kind of simplify the idea of thriving and who's not and it once again ironically proves the lack of empathy that the Original Poster is trying to tell you It's true as the golden rule you cannot expect someone to give you sympathy especially demanded but not give it back And young men aren't stupid they notice this type of treatment Just as women notice all the unfair biases that happen …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:59 AM
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Exactly and the tragic thing is men fall for this type of brainwashing because we are expected to not only be defenders but avatars of violence as well which means if you need someone knocked off you're going to either hire a man or do it yourself as a man. And once again you're right in the irony that so many women and feminists still expect men to play their role when it benefits them. When I was a retail manager I once had the rudest woman ironically demand not ask but demand I walk to the ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/25 05:52 AM
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It's not that it's unfair perse but it's kind of like a glaring contradiction with what the narratives young men especially have been told over the last couple of decades If a young man goes to any woman for dating advice she's basically going to tell him all the things that potentially he could do to make a woman uncomfortable or to not do something crazy but the problem with this advice is that every single individual woman has a separate idea of what's considered a good and bad conduct and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:22 PM
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Of course I agree with you I'm strictly talking about our primordial unconscious instincts in how we look at people at first glance and in this case how society at large especially women look at men as a class We can all empathize why women have innate fear of random men they don't know because we are bigger and stronger but that fact right there disproves so much of feminist thinking by thinking that everything gendered is a social construct when in reality it's biology I'm a big black dude my …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 03:14 PM
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Something I think we all really need to come into an agreement with is that given the baseline it is just that harder for men to attract a woman everything equal just because they are already set in the pursuer role rather than being the one being pursued but that does not mean most men are unattractive or that no one likes men and that's the other side of the coin that I wish we would have in these discussions It is a meme but it's true to real life how many men in their 20s have had girls in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:12 PM
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I feel like this type of comparison is unfair to men and only exasperates why so many men are frustrated because despite our modern progressive times there's almost no positive alternative for men to pursue a woman And ironically even though we live in more progressive times women still have the soft expectation for men to approach initiate escalate and know when and how to do all of this without making her uncomfortable Now I will say this most of the time especially with the women I've been wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:05 PM
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Because ironically both of these things come from the same biased tribal and ignorant place but it's an ironic thing trying to tell a feminist that because then they will double down once again ironically on their own bigotry in this case Misandry As a black dude it took me a long time to realize that feminists think and believe things about men that white people have long believed about black people in general because so many of these things are generalizations assumptions and most of the time …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 02:14 PM
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All of those things which essentially is hypergamy in women because they want more in the best of what they perceive out of a man. Which is why you see literally average women seemed to have an aversion to dating and marrying and being happy with average men because they see average men as beneath them. And as much as I hate to say it it's kinda true in the evolutionary sense If you're short and born in a poor background in the lowest class of your country you're gonna have a hard time attractin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:10 PM
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It's because a crazy mixture of inferiority and superiority at the same time And it's crazy and I say this as a man who was involuntarily celibate when I was younger and being an ethnic minority it's one of those things that where it's people's emotional bias is leading how they think Think about it S Asian men are seen as lesser than because a combination of racism and misandry. They are consistently rated low on dating apps and are seen as the bottom of the barrel when it comes to picking men …
/r/ExRedPill28/12/25 03:46 AM
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It kind of proves that women are filled with hypergamy when you tell them that literally they are normal average women and they get insulted by it but most people are normal there is a problem with society when average men cannot seem to attract average women because they're on the same level
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 03:35 AM
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this is something I think a lot of girls take for granted is that cold approaching has its own risk as in if you have a good reputation you could ruin it by going up to the wrong woman. Just as there's a bunch of guys whose nervousness makes the idea of approaching women seem impossible there's also a subgroup of women who seemed to have an almost pathological hatred of men even trying to approach them but the problem is there's no alternative for young men as most young women are not going to a…
/r/ExRedPill28/12/25 03:34 AM
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The same way women and other groups of people do when you identify someone you perceive as lower than you it's easy to attribute negative traits to them But it's something literally every group of people does to themselves or to others all the time especially subconsciously and women are absolutely guilty of doing this as well I used to work retail i'm a big ethnic man i'm black and this other guy coming in my line was just as big as me but he is Hispanic his english is a little broken but he un…
/r/ExRedPill25/12/25 03:16 PM
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But then go around and turn around and give you a long list of standards for you as a man that basically reinforces patriarchy and the crazy thing gets they'll never understand or notice it. It's like the liberal girl giving you a long speech about anti capitalism and how she hates how big businesses are destroying the middle class but then she goes around and says she wouldn't date a guy working at Walmart. Women want to be feminists when they choose to be all the way up until their personal li…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:12 PM
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But this is the crazy thing gang is that there are tons of women out there that are pretty but are also average or normal just like you but the problem is the average woman really does believe she is better than the average man
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:11 PM
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That's the crazy thing is it is both That's something unique I tell my other non black man friends is that black men get it the worst because we have a combination of being seen as the most dangerous race and being the man of that race. Don't get me wrong it happens to black women too but how many videos do you see of black men getting followed harassed beat or shot or stopped by the police over XY and Z versus black women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:10 PM
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It's not just a dating world bro you start noticing how it affects all of your life I don't know about you but I'm a black man and when I started getting older like around age 12 that's when I started to notice how people treated my culture but not just me but all men in general. Men are already seen as potential threats even before people get to know you so that's something that makes it even harder not only that you're the one that has to play the dancing Peacock and be the one to be impressiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:24 PM
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Especially when you realize how insulting it is when these girls don't even know basic numbers to understand that the type of man they want literally is in the top one per cent to the point where some of the men these guys want aren't even real This is why we have more hate groups in the rise of the manosphere because women's standards really do make men feel like they're not human. Especially if it's from a girl you know is on your level like from the same small town she grew up poor just like …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:18 PM
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They're not excuses especially if you do have a whole decade of trying different things and really moving yourself to work more but you still just feel like those last 10 years did not really change much And I get it because on the red pill side there's this conservative idea of pulling yourself up which ironically is also just as foolish as feminism because we truly do live in a society. Nothing you do or how people perceive you is ever just you and the other person it's a whole bunch of social…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:16 PM
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but that's the thing there's only so much work you can do and there's only so much improvement that you can do where it starts to basically defeat its purpose Let's say you self improved on XY and Z for 10 years but for some reason you never saw the fruits of that labor even though you put 10 years of hard sweat blood and tears Let's say you put a lot of money you made one summer as a 20 year old into a startup company but it shut down by the time you're 30 There's a prevailing view in this sub …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:47 PM
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that's the problem with the conservative Perspective is that they've been so brainwashed into the bootstraps thinking that they forget that we still live in a society .ironically Yes you can do literally everything right on paper and still lose and yes you can still do everything right and be born in the worst circumstances to where all your efforts did not matter That's not a victim mentality that literally is life unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:44 PM
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It's not just the social skills you need to be around the right group or market yourself to the right women That's something I figured out as a nerd is that I actually was not awkward and had great social skills but I never postured myself as an alpha male that a lot of girls in college really liked I only did better after I left college
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:46 PM
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And even if you do have good social skills they're still not a guarantee you'll get the girl because dating is one of those things for men that is just that difficult and chaotic and what I mean by that is you could do everything you perceive to be right and still get perceived the wrong way Let's say a girl meets me on Tuesday where I'm looking unkempt and stressed out because of an event that happened two days prior and I'm definitely not in a good mood enough to be flirty or to appear confide…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:45 PM
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And you ironically prove why self improvement really doesn't matter so much because the goal posts of what's considered self improvement and what's enough effort is always changing Imagine if you had a guy like myself that tried to improve and work on different things for 10 years straight just to feel like they really haven't changed much only to be told that they did not work hard enough. I do think there's such a thing as where you can self actualize to your maximum especially the things you …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:43 PM
1

i'm kind of living the exact opposite of this right now i'm in the most depressed depraved headspace i've ever been in and i've had more success with women in the last five years than I ever did when I was in college or in high school. At that age I was confident outgoing and I was finally genuinely myself which so many women say they like they don't want to guide us fake nice or not genuine but at this time I was at my most optimized and I was still able to retain my nice self Ironically this n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:41 PM
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He's a celebrity though and this is why especially when it comes to talking about men and dating it's kind of useless to bring up celebrity men because they are all high status regardless of their personality I'm a starving artist and a lot of my friends tell me that I shouldn't worry because look at all the artist famous or mid level that still find people but they don't understand it's still about the status and how you're perceived because of it You can take a 36 year old ugly plumber he will…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:25 PM
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Yes but it's still sexist to both genders because we're not animals and it gets a little gender essentialist also Roosters being the men and the hen being women.
/r/ExRedPill08/12/25 01:04 PM
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I'll be honest I think it could be sexist either way The idea that the rooster is the man and all he does is talk which is useless meanwhile the hen is actually giving the birth which is dangerous but gives beautiful life It makes men seem like they're just useless Sperm donors and women are basically just there to have babies
/r/ExRedPill30/11/25 09:02 PM
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And that's why I really can't respect feminism as a black man because this is the most privileged demographic in the West complaining about it how hard they have it and I'm not trying to take away from real **** **** trauma that they have had in their life, but when you listen to what they say it's kind of like do they not realize other people around the world and even in america do have it worse especially if they're people of color Western women want their cake and eat it too they want what th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:27 AM
1

OK let me ask you this then Do you think you can disagree with something but see it as a necessary evil based off of what you understand in reality as you know it Like I keep saying bro I don't like it either because it does make me uncomfortable but I kind of view it as one of those things that makes you uncomfortable but inevitably makes you more successful but I don't know maybe you're right
/r/ExRedPill27/11/25 02:24 AM
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and yes you are correct I would love to see women approach more rather than waiting because it just reinforces bad things on both sides. You can't choose when to be equal to men and when not to which means you can't want to be equal to men in the boardroom or money but you still want the benefits of a woman and basically to sit back and let men come to you while you silently judge and laugh at them. Not only be nice to see a balance but it will also and I know this is going to sound controversia…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 07:42 PM
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So how would you suggest I word my wordings then if my word choice is the only difference between you guys understanding versus seeing it as adversarial i'm not a nice guy and i'm definitely not a centrist but if you perceive me to be those things then can I really do anything to stop you guys from perceiving it I have been respectful just because i'm not a caricature or just repeating things that you guys agree with does not mean i'm being disrespectful I apologize if it comes off that way but …
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 07:38 PM
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or you could stop replying to me If I bother you so much
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:46 PM
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Yes that's me The only good thing that's happened to me in real life is that I moved out of my grandparents and I have a house now but that's really it all my other things I struggled for the last 10 years really did not amount to anything
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:46 PM
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I'm on purple pill as well but this is my problem with what you're saying How do you plan on helping these people if you don't want to help prove their ideas wrong so you basically keep doing what i've been calling out you basically want this sub to be an echo chamber and have everyone just agree with what you say but that is the opposite of how you rehabilitate people or even just help people out of something And I'm going to be honest with you this type of behavior is exactly what does push mo…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:45 PM
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yes it is it literally is a subreddit dedicated to trying to prove red pill ideas wrong you basically want anyone who doesn't agree with you to go away and make this separated into an echo chamber but that would be intellectually dishonest to yourself and the idea of this subreddit So let's say I go to a therapist for a trauma and my therapist basically tells me hey this is not for you to talk about your problems you're here to get over your trauma if you're not here for that then leave LOL You …
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:33 PM
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So basically you want this subreddit to be an echo chamber
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:30 PM
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I am X red pill I don't like the red pill
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:29 PM
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Speak for yourself
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:24 PM
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I don't believe in the red pill I hate the red pill but the ideas they have are sound Even if we hated and I was expecting a little bit more intellectual analysis about this type of stuff but you basically keep telling me that if I don't agree with all you guys don't even come to the subreddit it shows that you guys are actually the ones that are not good at turning other people around because when you are met with some type of opposition instead of trying to analysis it you basically say you're…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:24 PM
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That's your problem you're so ready to argue and the fact that you just admitted to me that you did not read it now everything you say is now going to be considered moot. You are so ready to win an argument or try to tell someone else they're wrong that you literally just admitted to me that you did not read anything I said so now I cannot take anything you say seriously I wish you a good day
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:23 PM
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that is exactly what this subreddit should be doing if it wants to help people escape the red pill because once again the idea that men hating being virgins does not come from nowhere Yes you should analyze the cultural reasons why so many women prefer not to be with virgins because that root of it usually is stemmed in sexism or sexist ideas it's like you guys basically want men just to come here listen to you and be yes men and agree but it's like you guys don't want to listen to their side th…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:22 PM
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They actually have Especially when they get so defensive it's not like I'm blaming women as a whole and I think it's actually a good thing that women sit down and really introspect about their own biases not just with their fellow women but how they feel about men just as men have done for the last four decades. and I think society really underestimates how introspective and emotional men can be but it's not seen as the same way because a man introspecting can be seen as weak versus something st…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:14 PM
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It could do the opposite also the red pill gives its own version of accountability but like I said before I don't even agree with all of the red pill but my point is all of these things don't come out of nowhere there's not a single social movement on earth that was not built out of nothing and yes that includes even the ones that are considered toxic The red pill absolutely does not give you comfort it can be another thing that opens up another can of worms for you as a young man because now it…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:12 PM
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i'm a comic book artist I have thought about writing a comic book a near autobiography about my life just because my life has been crazy and ironically goes against so many norms and narratives on both sides. i'm a man but i'm definitely not privileged but i'm also a minority so I did not get any white privilege either and I think it will be good for audiences to see that type of thing because it adds more nuance to these discussions about gender and race
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:10 PM
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I toss and turn between that every day a part of me wants to be like the younger me and completely forget about all this masculinity stuff but it's not that easy because it's still so much soft expectations that come with being a man and as I keep saying it's very different being a black man because you're stuck in between like four different social biases If you're too assertive then you look angry and aggressive but if you're too nice or calm now you look weak if you ask the left you as a man …
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 04:09 PM
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So basically what I'm saying It is unfair and is messed up and I don't agree with it but men and women probably would do better with the opposite sex if they did lean into more traditional gendered roles even if it's not compatible with their own personality type I'm a big nerd and a big softy but people will let you know how much that is seen as a bad thing as a big guy especially as a big black guy so ironically I started leaning into acting more disrespectful and as much as I hate it people d…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:58 PM
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I'm glad you said that because this is at the heart of my own personal conflict I actually hate the red pill but this is the thing as a guy you will end up more sexless and more single being your own man than actually leaning into these gender roles because like I keep saying women also Perpetuate these gendered standards not every girl is progressive or feminist minded and even if she states it how she moves in the real world sometimes it's the opposite it's like hearing that privileged white g…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:57 PM
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Everybody struggles with relationships the red pill resonates because it confirms a lot of real life lived experiences of men
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:54 PM
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And eventually you would like to have sex or get a girlfriend but how do you do that if at your most young ages every girl that crosses your path seems like a good girl until she finds out you're a virgin then she confirms all your worst fears. And then it changes you why should you be empathetic towards women's struggles especially when it comes to sexuality when they absolutely have no qualms about putting you down for your sexual struggles and I'm talking about from simply being a virgin to h…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:16 PM
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Don't reply to me anymore unless you have something actually concrete to say
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:15 PM
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No it comes from real life experiences with women I remember when I was 18 I was virgin shamed by my own virgin girlfriend virgin shamed by both men and women and this is the problem with virgin shaming is that it basically confirms that a man's worth is tied to sexuality so he should be sleeping with a bunch of girls that's why I hate when girls do the virgin shaming because it's like they would hate if a guy became a **** which is good no one should be a rapist. But if you put so much worth on…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:15 PM
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But this is the problem every time we point out something bad that women do it's always that most women don't do it but it's like we're trying to analyze the cultural reasons why so many women do it kind of gets old when you keep getting told that OK but not every woman is like that because how would you feel if every man told you not every man is like that whenever you call out a man sexist behavior I'm not mad at you guys I guess I'm a little frustrated because it's like you guys can't see tha…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:13 PM
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But this is the thing you don't decide that other people do with how you act your behaviors and the things you say. Now I will say this some people can just be mean and project flaws onto you but it's the same way around with a man it's like the Super sexist andrew tate clone saying he doesn't hate women but you could look at all the things he's done and said that's kind of how I feel with women It's easy to say that you don't hate men but I don't know you I don't know how you speak about men or…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:12 PM
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But that's the problem this type of thing effects so many men to the point where I have thought about going back to school just to write a book about it and officially become a men's rights activist if I can go back and tell my younger self anything it will be to try my best to ignore all this toxic stuff about masculinity whether it comes from men or women but it's challenging when it comes from women because a lot of women really are subconscious and don't notice how much they exasperate toxic…
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:08 PM
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It only seems that way because we're on an X Red Pill subreddit my frustration with these people is that they're so focused on trying to prove you wrong that they're not even thinking about the ideas you're espousing and sometimes they even confirm those ideas when trying to argue
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:07 PM
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This is the thing though bro someone has to take some fault no one's fault less especially in society I don't believe one group contributes to all societies problems it's all of us collectively doing it and the idea that women are somehow free or guilt free of exasperating toxic norms is just divorced from reality
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:06 PM
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Not insecure it resonates because of their lived experienceNot insecure it resonates because of their lived experience
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 03:05 PM
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No some of it is true which is why it's so insidious because like other forms of groups or hate groups or cults it's always rooted in some type of truth this is like my main problem with anti Red Pill people isn't that they disagree with Red pill but it's the fact that you guys completely go off base against the origin point and why so many guys join it Yes red pill content resonates because so many men have real lived experiences with the bad behavior of women and the difference is we can't scr…
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 01:57 PM
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And see I believe you it's not everybody that's like that but you would be in denial if there wasn't a real cultural zeitgeist behind men's sexuality what's acceptable and especially their virginity most men aren't even allowed to be sexually vulnerable around women which means we are not seen as the ones that get romanced or get calmed down or walk through something now I will say this it's not every woman is like this a lot of women I have been with have been very open with me and allowed me t…
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 01:54 PM
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That's what makes it so frustrating as a guy because as a guy you know this on paper like when I was twenty I could not imagine girls rejecting me or other men because of our lack of money because in my head I'm thinking we are all literally twenty year old college students I know this girl in front of me doesn't have money unless she comes from a rich family which that happened a lot in my days. But it's the principle of it and it exposes a hypocrisy how can this feminist minded young woman rea…
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 01:50 PM
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I am very up to date with both sides of this issue and I have problems with both sides because they ironically only exasperate problems once again for both side we can't build bridges with each other if we're constantly looking at each other as an adversary and wanting to prove the other person wrong versus actually trying to understand them Take it from me I'm a black dude I love studying cults and hate groups and I know what you thinking why would I have sympathy or understanding for people wh…
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 01:46 PM
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I'm not lecturing you I'm just giving my experience and imagine if a man said that. Don't lecture men about men especially the ones that have more life experience than you But it's true and I don't think it's a bad thing women do have their own version of locker room talk. You'll be surprised how many women will enforce and project toxic masculine norms onto their sons their brothers their husbands and friends Even when it's subconscious No different than men doing it to women we all grew up in …
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 11:32 PM
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I'm already in therapy I don't like the word victim mentality because it could be used for literally anybody we could say almost every group in the world holds it in some way if you take their experience at face value. Plus it's an argument a lot of conservative types like to use when anyone complaints about anything so I don't think it's good for us to use here
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 11:29 PM
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You'd be surprised believe me I'm 29 now i've had tons of experience with girls it was just a difficulty of trying to get through all of that When I was younger We could even argue if women's standards really are different from men because it's not like these men that also get sex are the best types of people character wise which isn't a dig at women or men what we find sexy sometimes goes opposite to what is a good moral character I just think it's a strange bias that some girls have that they …
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 09:48 PM
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no it's not it's something that happens in real life and it doesn't have to be a bad thing both men and women will have locker room talk just because people like to talk about their crushes or people they're sleeping with or their marriages et cetera It really doesn't even have to be gender segregated like I've had friend groups of both men and women and we will talk about our past relationships traumas love life etc
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 05:40 PM
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Both I guess Let me ask you this Have you ever asked any of your friends that are men in real life about their experiences not just with women but in terms of manhood and masculinity?
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 05:39 PM
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I guess i'm in the middle of becoming ex red pill because I don't know like the last couple years of my life in a way have proven it true and not proven it true. i'm very introspective almost too much so and I definitely view myself very differently than how people view me in society. Being a minority kind of doubles that. For example I do not play sports and I'm not outdoorsy but I still look super big and tall i've had people literally come up to me and give me unearned respect and of course t…
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 05:38 PM
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It's not just her it's been girlfriends of the past girls I know girls I've been friends with especially girls you're friends with because they'll reveal so much in casual conversation. Women have their own version of locker room talk that really isn't different from men but those types of Open conversations or where you'll get the meat of how people think. Of course every girl is different
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 05:34 PM
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that's the thing I really do believe both genders behaviors operate in a cycle or a cyclical nature. And it's not surprising giving how we grow up and once again I'm actually not a fan of the Red Pill but it makes a lot more sense than a conventional dating advice But think about it so much of our behaviors operate cyclically because it's what we've been shown subliminally growing up in society But also what we see people before us act like as children. The other day an old flame of mine called …
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 05:33 PM
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This comes from the last hundred years of propaganda which basically makes all bad things in the world men's fault but everything a woman does is special and unique. There is a clear literally historically documented case of men getting less empathy from society from us being expected to be disposable in war and in work to our feelings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/25 04:46 PM
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A big part of this conversation that's missing is that unfortunately a lot of women will not admit to being more shallow or in fact liking aspects of toxic masculinity because it will completely destroy their own ideas about love and society. Think about the mental gymnastics girls go through when they justify choosing horrible men while simultaneously turning down good men Look at the difference between how girls feel when a man judges their sexuality but the difference in them accepting a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:38 PM
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Of course I hate the idea that if you do all these things supposed to lead to a relationship most of these things are just hobbies I can understand where you're coming from because it's supposed to make it look like a rounded person on paper but it's about if you actually get results from that. That's why I find this advice so perplexing because by this Subs logic and by the advice logic I should have been swimming in women. I had a good friend group hobbies I was joining clubs starting organiza…
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 04:34 PM
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I see so you basically want to browbeat people instead of actually trying to debate them which I get in your head you think this is not a debate sub but if this is supposed to be a red pill detox how can you literally help them detox if you don't listen to their own experiences? I'm not trying to be hostile and believe me I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying
/r/ExRedPill20/11/25 09:56 PM
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I'm sorry it's not out of maliciousness My therapist
/r/ExRedPill20/11/25 09:42 PM
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I would actually argue they don't because being in a relationship in years is very different from being fresh on the dating market it's the same reason why older men can't really relate to my generation of men because they dated in a completely different culture. What was considered normal conduct back in the Seventies and eighties would be considered taboo now and even vice versa. I Remember Me and a friend and this friend gets way more girls than I do we had to sit down our older friend who's …
/r/ExRedPill20/11/25 09:17 PM
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this is a strange statement because it comes off as like a white person from the outside looking in trying to tell a black person about their own experience you do realize I am from the hood born into the hood so I got to see literally the worst and best aspects of my own culture in which I was born into Correct? these negative stereotypes are a part of the problem on both sides and both ways as much as I hate to see it I can see why so many other young black men lean into the stereotype because…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/25 09:16 PM
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It's crazy These women don't care about me or what my personhood is they just wanted to have sex that's what hookup culture is
/r/ExRedPill20/11/25 08:17 PM
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I believe you but you have to understand for everyone woman that is completely OK with inexperience you have a lot of other women who see it as a death sentence and i'm talking about this guy could be everything good on paper but the fact that he has not slept with another woman becomes this big character flaw. Once again I wouldn't tell you this if I haven't been on both sides of it I remember getting virgin shamed by so many girls when I was younger but these would be the same girls that would…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/25 02:35 AM
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I'm sorry it's just the idea of just be cool get a hobby and go to the gym and everything is perfect it's just false because I've lived it this is something I'm arguing with with an older friend of mine right now because so much common advice that sounds great on paper only sounds great until you've been on both sides of it By this subreddit's logic when I was younger I should have been swimming in women I was more punctual more positive easy going but that assumes that everyone is graceful and …
/r/ExRedPill20/11/25 02:34 AM
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Of course I hate the red pill thinking but it's not one of those things where you just leave it and things become better guys start thinking that way because of already messed up stuff in society it's not like they just wake up when they like that. something that I worry about with these types of Subs is that we get so concerned trying to prove these guys wrong versus trying to understand where they are coming from and i'm not saying you have to coddle them or just agree with them but what they'…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/25 02:31 AM
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I don't think it is that simple I agree with you completely but do you think men don't think the opposite do you think we really don't think about what it may be like to be a woman we're not idiots or Cavemen. We have mothers sisters aunts girlfriends wives friends etcetera and also you have to think about the other side of an advantage is the disadvantage and in men's case and especially with minority men's case it is people fearing you because you are a minority and a man my cousin who was als…
/r/ExRedPill19/11/25 01:28 PM
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Let me ask you something would you date a 30 year old virgin man i'm not going to mention his traits because depending on your answer I will after
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 02:16 PM
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Yes you gathered it from what I said but I did not say it this is also another problem with trying to argue with you guys is that you guys don't argue in good faith you start putting words in people's mouths and start putting ideas in their own head of things they said.
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:59 PM
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Never mind it's OK
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:58 PM
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Once again that's because what's considered good advice versus what's in reality sometimes contradict each other. I've actually thought about going back to school for anthropology to study more about this and writing a book about my experiences because it feels like a movie and my friends tell me I should do it LOL but it's one of those things you learn as you get older what's told to you versus what you see in real life is very different. I appreciate the advice i'm getting in this thread but o…
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:56 PM
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Also that's part of the problem stop taking it safe from the back and approach these dudes This is why dudes have a hard time trying to sympathize with women's struggles because you guys have such a great advantage that you don't realize how great it is
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:50 PM
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And also we don't even question if these social connections are healthy
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:47 PM
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No I did not say that reread my paragraph again
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:45 PM
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No not mean you're not interested in but I think you should ask men that you have some slight interest in instead of waiting for them to come to you And I'm not saying you think men are the enemy but the rhetoric around feminism has kind of created that type of thing it's the sole reason why I'm no longer a feminist and when I say feminist I'm talking about the type that lobbied put together groups made speeches like I was serious but something that made me leave feminism as a young black boy wa…
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:44 PM
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I feel like I'm in the middle of this because the red pill does help you and as a young man you probably already notice it anyway just like how girls so many things wrong with them in how society treats them it's really no different but like I said even as a young man I could notice this because adults will just treat men and women differently starting at a young age on both sides for better or worse My entire teenagehood I felt like I had to be super perfect because I felt like I was at risk or…
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:40 PM
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This is the problem with women giving advice is that once again what you guys say versus how you guys react to something is sometimes very different It's something I had to tell my mom I told my mom listen I followed your advice for years and I got no women because what you believed to be morally good versus what's considered sexually attractive sometimes contradict each other. My mother is super Christian and very superstitious but she also comes from the hood and her dating history of course i…
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:38 PM
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This is the difference between men and women is that if men and this is going to sound crazy men cannot have super high standards because we're not women and I'm telling you from real experience this is how men end up being virgins and having no experience until they're 30 and 40 which ironically creates another problem. Something that literally helped me get more experience is yes I dropped my standards my inhibitions and dumb myself down Life is not a movie and not every girl who's also intell…
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:35 PM
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I'm not disparaging the fact that you are a feminist and I'm pretty sure you have some strong feminist ideas but something that would make me as a man growing up not only under feminism but under white supremacy in all the contradictions about manhood it would make me at least feel like you actually did understand a man instead of seeing us as an enemy or something too correct if you put yourself in our shoes if that makes sense. When I was a kid I loved this show called Beauty and the Geek beca…
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:32 PM
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I have never lied to get sex
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:28 PM
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Oh God especially as I get older I do agree with you It took me a long time to realize that I have a lot of experiences girls had such as growing up with sexual shame and thus growing up with fantasies of wanting a partner taking the reins therefore I don't have to feel like a creep or a monster I hear a lot of girls have rape fantasies for that same reason it allows someone else to take control therefore they can just shut their mind off and not feel guilty about enjoying sex you'll be surprise…
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:27 PM
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That's the thing just because someone says they are progressive doesn't mean they really act like that and that's one of my gripes with a lot of modern feminists is that just because you can say you're feminist and give me an entire essay about it contradicts your actions and that's what I mean by changing the norm of men having to do the asking out because yes it is toxic because not men especially myself but not all men like being in the pursuer role because of the craziness it brings. You spe…
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:25 PM
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basically they don't understand or question the man side of things because they never have to go through it and i'm not coming at women with that that can go for all types of people because it's easy for us to look at the things that are hard for us and ignore the things that are hard for other people because we don't go through it every day so we don't truly understand I don't think it'll make men's lives easier but it will definitely make feminist women seem more legit if they actually put the…
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:22 PM
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not so much patronizing as that there are a lot of people who just don't like that type of thing especially where I come from. It does feel like you have to dumb yourself down sometimes
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:19 PM
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Huh
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:18 PM
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She will lose attraction to him I'll be honest I don't know it's something about seeing a man in a subservient role I guess that turns a lot of women off despite what they say. It's the same thing with being emotional or opening up The more feminine a man seems the more he seems unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 12:52 AM
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This is my problem with this logic I get it and your story sounds beautiful but this is the problem with the entire improve yourself have hobbies argument most guys are already doing some version of that most guys already have hobbies and most guys especially when they're young like in their twenties are usually at the gym or in school which by definition is trying to improve yourself I've said it many times on Reddit before but my life path with this advice has been the opposite. When I was you…
/r/ExRedPill16/11/25 12:39 AM
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remember I find that guy coming from with this what i'm saying is how we will respond to this isn't what you think. how many women for example will say that they get turned off when they start having to do more financial duties along with domestic even if the man is doing the same thing. Don't get me wrong I seen it in real life my cousin has such a relationship to where they're very equal and very loving. This purple pill stuff would fly over their head but that's because they were lucky enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 12:34 AM
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I guess it's still something that's considered a cultural norm that has not really been challenged is that men are still expected to approach in all facets I definitely am not disagreeing with you though. I had tons of girls approach me and I would say a downside of being the man is since girls aren't socialized to show their feelings you could be a normal guy and go gears without ever realizing that in fact many women are attracted to you but you'll never know because they'll never say anything…
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 11:21 PM
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Believe me I get it now that I've had more success but it still took me as a man having to step into that pursuer role as much as it makes me uncomfortable basically my point is there's still so many unwritten rules both men and women have to follow even though our society says opposite. But nowadays the intellectualing about it does kind of matter because dating and sex especially culturally kind of sit at the middle of the debate surrounding gender politics and believe me as a man i'm interest…
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 11:18 PM
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That's what I mean we live in America where standards of masculinity are very more rigid compared to Europe even though we could argue Europe is more conservative than the US it's a strange cultural phenomena. i'm black and me and another coworker (black)we're talking about our bosses who are greek and they're just fresh off the boat and I can even tell the difference in carrying yourself and i'm not saying one is better than the other. They own the restaurant so it's family maid which is probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:15 PM
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I hear you but I guess what I'm saying is nowhere near enough to affect a social change. Which believe me that is something that is very difficult because changing a nation socially isn't just changing yourself which is why I hate people say start with yourself then the world will follow because no that's not how it works. Feminism in the civil rights movement are an example that yes it takes people inside marginalized groups and outside for it to work especially if you want to change hearts and…
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 10:27 PM
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That's kinda why I like being a human bro is because our human part does contradict with our animal part. It's like getting angry no one really likes being angry even though it can give us some benefit and there's even a good way to use anger but it's still another trait as animals we have but as humans we don't like because it breeds destruction in ourselves and others as I get older even as a kid I view this but even more apparent now that i'm an adult I do view traditional masculinity as like…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 10:20 PM
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See on paper as a man I want to agree with you but we will never be treated equally as a sex even if we do the same things and I mean that as both men and women. I think what's missing at the heart of these conversations is when it comes to sex and the relationship between the genders it is very much a psychosexual thing as in it's our animal brain's driving this behavior more so than what's logic or what feels good for example I have a lot of feminine traits as a man and I think the only reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:16 PM
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I feel like that's more of a people thing in general. And it's actually at the heart of what I believe is the problem with the gender wars is that each gender does have their own problems and complications but that inevitably makes us all hypocrites because it's easy to point out the things that seem to be a barrier or an obstacle for us but for the other sex it's easy to write off because we don't normally go through it almost all the times in our life. I remember I had to tell a white female b…
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 09:13 PM
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it's not just that it's also the things that women do because remember women are human too so like men they have biases and prejudice and can treat people horribly. I've really thought about going back to school to study it more but sometimes was considered sexually attractive versus what's considered socially or morally good contradict each other. In a perfect world you would not see bad boys or criminals get girls especially good women but once again our sexual animal brains don't always work …
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 09:03 PM
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I had the opposite happened to me which is why I'm kind of in the middle in opinions when it comes to dating and sex because what's considered attractive what works for most people and what's right on paper sometimes contradict each other. I have more success now at a twenty eight year old age because I'll be honest I lowered my standards and let go of my inhibitions I kind of hate the narrative that if you just work super hard on yourself then you'll magically become more attractive because tha…
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 08:52 PM
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Did you read anything I said i'm a black dude from the hood this is basically the norm our women are very college educated but they don't pick equivalent men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:19 PM
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that's why I don't think they can understand it because they don't understand they can be any level of competency confidence or appearance really and still get men's attention Also how we get sex is different women literally just have to go out to a bar or really any space, They will still get men's attention even with online dating it is still up to men to make the first move. that's why bumble is struggling because it was basically a technological way to try to break something that's biologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:48 PM
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and this could also be the gender differences talking but I think we have a different view of all of this because well we are opposite genders. Women can be any personality type or can be the most confident and outgoing to the most shut in and shy and still get men's attention. Women can even be bullied and look stupid in front of people because you're never going to see them get E feminized, like a man would be emasculated if he looked stupid in front of people Basically a man that appears to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:42 PM
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The thing is it's kinda different for you women because you guys always have attention coming to you even at your lowest points you can still get a man to come to you. Even if a guy feels the greatest there's still no guarantee if another woman still perceives him as bottom of the barrel ironically. I tell people all the time when I was younger and much more positive upbeat outgoing and super sociable I got no girls at all. When I got older in my 20s and started letting go of my inhibitions that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:58 PM
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And I bet these type of girls ironically are the reason why you see so many intellectual young liberal men going to the other side because feminist analysis on things isn't wrong per SE but they go wrong when they start blaming everything on men and even more so when they can't even seem to fathom that young women are guilty of all these behaviors as well. That young girls also operate off of the biases that it absorbed through media and through society just like men. How many young college whit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/25 09:55 PM
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Everything you just typed I could say the exact same thing about women but you won't understand it because you're so far steeped into trying to prove men wrong or what you think is wrong versus actually helping and understanding which is once again the greatest failure of modern feminism. It brainwashes people like you to think that you're helping with something but rarely you're just causing more division
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/25 10:36 PM
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That is something that I completely agree with
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/25 07:57 PM
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That's exactly my argument too and I think it's insidious because and hear me out I think All groupings of people white black Asian or in this case man and woman do this. On one hand I don't blame women because look at our media. Little girls are shown scantily clad women in almost all forms of media and if not that they're exposed to unrealistic beauty standards. This is not to mention the added features of peer pressure and wanting to fit in or in to impress. That young 15 year old boy who joi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 04:28 AM
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My experience is the opposite you have to remember guys are at the disadvantage dating because we're still expected to approach so even if you were at peace with yourself you can still go years being single like me because you don't want to approach or you ignorantly thought that one day a girl would approach you. It's it's hard not to put politics in it because we live in an age where everything is political especially between the genders and one of the glaring contradictions within modern femi…
/r/ExRedPill09/08/25 03:14 PM
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If you had a young man who was everything right on paper but he just could not get the girl what would you tell him
/r/ExRedPill06/08/25 01:06 PM
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As I get older I can definitely see that especially with my own family because unfortunately the women in my family did not make good choices in men which only facilitated the younger women in other generations to be affected My grandmother God bless her was a very amazing soul but she had her vices and she did not choose the best of men. She was the youngest of three siblings and she herself had three girls. And it's crazy all of my mom's sisters and herself chose the stereotypical stuff, a man…
/r/ExRedPill06/08/25 01:05 PM
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I completely understand it is kind of that way on both sides but wouldn't that just make my argument stronger that men and women will have to do things probably not natural to the personality to be seen as attractive. like even as you say with a lot of women being the sole emotional support on men when I was growing up I could easily say it's the opposite. I agree with basically everything you said but I just don't like this narrative that women become the sole emotional support as if there was …
/r/ExRedPill06/08/25 01:00 PM
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Where I come from it is very much the norm for most women to be a baby Mama to some dude with a criminal record. I've been to other cities though so I understand it's not the norm but especially within my culture it is Black people are 13% of this country we're 40 million people at Max according to the census. Yet 50% of black men are single and childless So who was having all of our Children. It is a very small amount of both men and women in our community that unfortunately are uneducated abou…
/r/ExRedPill06/08/25 12:57 PM
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That's something me and my other artist friends debate about art imitates life but it can also be the opposite And like you said historically there's always been some type of bad boy or rebellion type archetype that women seem to be attracted to Think about Fonsi and his stereotype from the 1950s and 60s. Dark leather coat on a motorcycle if he was transported to 2025 he would be the guy with the million tattoos on his face and three different baby Mamas. Especially as a black man I get older an…
/r/ExRedPill06/08/25 12:54 PM
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See and this is where I think a lot of people don't get what the OP is trying to say A lot of the stuff the above commenter just mentioned is performative. and the scary thing is sometimes it can work when I was younger I did and said stupid **** to get girls and it worked but it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. And how much of this is self improvement versus literally changing yourself to get women which is such a contradiction because there's a lot of advice that says don't do that.
/r/ExRedPill03/08/25 04:07 AM
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Two things can be true at once society can most definitely go after men women trans people and everything in between because of those characteristics Ironically this is the type of answers that lead people down more of the red peel rabbit hole because they also have major grievances with society rightfully so but because they are men they're basically told that their problems don't matter which only exasperate all the worst things i'm pretty sure feminists hate
/r/ExRedPill27/06/25 01:47 PM
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I agree which unfortunately leads to male sexuality being demonized because it's seen as beastial and predatory always in action going after a woman and keep in mind it doesn't even take into account if the woman enjoys this type of thing from the man or even pursues him first. Which probably leads to the stereotype that every man everywhere is ready to sleep with anything with two legs which unfortunately leads to so many stereotypes and biases that ping pong in our social zeitgeist It's the sa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/25 01:47 AM
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