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How do you get to Carnegie hall?
/r/seduction27/01/13 10:12 AM
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Kissing a girl is easy, do whatever feels natural to you. I've stroked girls hair/ears and pulled them in, I've pinned them against walls and kissed them passionately, I've done the longing stare until our lips meet. My personal favourite has always been: Play kiss chicken with her. Just keep the conversation going. Throw on your best playful seductive look. Lean in close as you chat. Not for the whole conversation, but for parts that you want to emphasize. Then pull back like nothing happened. …
/r/seduction21/01/13 12:41 AM
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it's true. My day game just needs some polish. I'll get there, I'm sure.
/r/seduction01/02/12 12:20 AM
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One turned out to be a lesbian, So I bro'd her instantly. Another was wearing an engagement ring, we met at a wedding and shared several bottles of wine but I made the personal choice that I wasn't going to chase that. A 3rd, I find attractive but there's something not quite right in the way we mesh. I love spending time with her but I don't have any interest in gaming her. I guess I'm at a stage where I don't feel like I need to "conquer" every girl I meet. Others i've met at the cafe, or on tr…
/r/seduction31/01/12 12:39 PM
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huh? what? I think there might be something valuable in what you're trying to say. But you're all over the board in the way you're saying it.
/r/seduction31/01/12 11:42 AM
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Now you're grasping at how I choose to play the game. I have a large social circle of women whom I've friendzoned (or who have friendzoned me) That I maintain strong ties of friendship with. This is NOT to say I act AFC with them. Quite the opposite. I still flirt with them, I still allow for light kino, some of them I'll even cuddle up with or steel a kiss from time to time. But we know where the line is drawn, and while I may dance around it, I don't stress the limits with them. The reason is,…
/r/seduction31/01/12 11:35 AM
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You don't seem to understand. You've got this idea in your head that it's about dragging the other person down. You can be alpha without treating people like shit. Really all Alpha is is being a leader and Being confident in your self. Yes some people who play the game can only accomplish this by dragging other people down, but lets face it, girls notice that, and quality girls will stay far away from it. Don't try to dominate people. Try to be a person people wish to follow. Edit: I was taught …
/r/seduction17/01/12 05:21 PM
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My experience is that the girls in their 30's are more mindful of the tricks, yes. But they tend to appreciate being "played".
/r/seduction11/01/12 05:33 PM
1

Religious girls are CRAZY! Back away! abort Abort!
/r/seduction09/01/12 03:13 PM
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I've had bosses like this. It's effective, as I strive to meet the challenges, but I grow to resent the bosses as I tend to feel as though I'm not rewarded enough for putting in the extra effort.
/r/seduction18/12/11 01:42 AM
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Ioi's, kino, and eye contact, it works both ways.
/r/seduction17/12/11 09:37 PM
1

Seduction is still important from the opposite side of the spectrum. If I'm at all iffy about a girl I know is interested in me, I'll blow off the girl who flat out asks me out, but I'll fall for the girl who flirts and plays the game well. It's a powerful way to tip the scales.
/r/seduction17/12/11 09:36 PM
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I suppose you could teach her some IoI's.
/r/seduction17/12/11 12:30 PM
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How can you stop being socially awkward? Practice talking to people you don't really care about. Just talk to strangers to gauge their reactions. This will help you tap into what you're doing that's socially awkward and build your confidence when you're chatting up someone you're interested in. Secondly, we're our own worst enemy. The last time I let my self get completely hung up on a girl it was on a girl who describes herself exactly how you do. She's super smart and has a great sense of humo…
/r/seduction09/12/11 09:58 AM
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It's getting more and more common. I know a lot of girls who are actually complaining it's happening too often now. I know one, who'll come home with 4 or 5 numbers every friday night (and I'd argue she's a shy 7). It was good a couple years back, but now it's on the verge of being seen as a chump move.
/r/seduction01/12/11 01:06 PM
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This was my first lesson in PUA. I was reading "the game" and had gotten to a section where they were talking about choosing a target and ignoring her while you open her friends. If her friends look like they're having fun, she'll start jumping in and competing for your attention. My thought was that this approach was total bullshit. It couldn't possibly work. Almost on cue a group of people sat down on the couch directly across from me one of them was gorgeous, the others were all plain. I figu…
/r/seduction02/09/11 09:11 PM
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did you escalate into phone sex?
/r/seduction02/09/11 07:59 PM
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A great line I've stolen from Community in regards to being "just friends" is "I can't handle being just one of the girls. Is there some sort of dubious gray area in your social structure I could fit into?" Or something like that. I seem to get away with a lot more once they've cast me as a shady gray instead of the usual black and white friend/lover.
/r/seduction02/09/11 07:03 PM
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To be fair I don't have any experience with this specific scenario but my first impulse in scenario 1 would be to use it as an excuse to initiate some steamy dirty talk. It'd be a great way to re-direct all that sexual energy towards you and possibly break free of the friend zone.
/r/seduction02/09/11 06:50 PM
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My point is that you seem to be differentiating between you're interactions with this girl and the interactions other guys in the community have with women. Do you believe it's uncommon for people here to legitimately enjoy a conversation with the opposite sex? This statement alone raises some legitimate red flags in your outlook on relationships.
/r/seduction26/08/11 01:51 AM
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What do you call it then? Do you understand why so many people refer to it as a game?
/r/seduction26/08/11 01:16 AM
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I'm not sure 1 per 3 would work unless a great deal of attraction has been built. (girls worry about sounding too needy too) But I would definitely make sure you're not sending instant text's back and try to be the one to end the conversation. (I wouldn't even say goodnight or goodbye. I just stop texting after she's said something that would wrap up the conversation. )
/r/seduction26/08/11 01:12 AM
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I'd friend zone her and move on. Date other people, but keep in touch. maybe if she moves out of whatever is holding her back she'll start dropping hints that she's ready to try again. If not, girls make the best wingmen.
/r/seduction26/08/11 12:08 AM
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Your line is once they're dating. His line is once they've sworn a vow to each other.
/r/seduction19/08/11 08:04 AM
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If there is definitely know in what? That she has a boyfriend? Or that it's serious.
/r/seduction19/08/11 02:57 AM
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Your flip-flopping here.
/r/seduction19/08/11 02:55 AM
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I think Seddit needs to be reminded that we are not here to judge people for when or how they use the skills we're trying to develop. We each have our own set of morals that we adhere to and that's going to vary based on our experiences in life. The truth is it doesn't matter how much you whine about it here, There will always be some other guy out there who's going to hit on your crush, or your girlfriend, your fiance, your wife, your sister, your daughter and yes, even your mom. Suck it up and…
/r/seduction19/08/11 01:58 AM
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There's a difference between consenting adults and coercing a child. Or do you consider all the women you date to be on the same development level as children?
/r/seduction19/08/11 01:45 AM
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The irony.
/r/seduction19/08/11 01:38 AM
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Your morals are not my morals. Your morals are not her morals. Where we each draw the line in the sand is our own business.
/r/seduction19/08/11 01:06 AM
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this looks about as bad as my text game. :P Kudo's for posting though.
/r/seduction19/08/11 12:52 AM
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Redditor for 1 hour, why does this post exist?
/r/seduction18/08/11 12:10 AM
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Oooh, yes. I like this idea. Do it, for science! (and possibly future fwb encounters).
/r/seduction16/08/11 03:45 AM
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If your idea of push-pull is breaking up with a person. Your doing it wrong. That's the equivalent of throat punching a person who was play fighting with you.
/r/seduction16/08/11 03:42 AM
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I guess what I'm saying is if you are pretty hot, you will always have to try harder to make sure people see you smart or compassionate sides. Especially if you act like you know your hot.
/r/seduction16/08/11 03:30 AM
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Well you've got 2 questions here with varying answers. I have some amazingly beautiful friends who don't Need this constant validation from their peers. Some of them are very confident in themselves. Others aren't self confident, but don't seek this form of validation. So no, I don't expect all beautiful women to Behave in such a manner. However my personal experience is that a disproportionately high number of beautiful women do behave in such a manner, so my experience is different than my ans…
/r/seduction16/08/11 03:22 AM
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not much you can do at this point. (though I'd say you dodged a bullet) I find with the friend meetings, unless the other guy is obviously the alpha, you want to be gaming and entertaining the female friends. They're the ones who will pick you apart and judge you harshly when your back is turned, ESPECIALLY when dealing with the high rated HB's.
/r/seduction15/08/11 10:05 PM
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I can't upvote this enough.
/r/seduction28/07/11 10:28 PM
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You're at a 10, I need you at a 3... And you want to be MORE flirty? Drift away, become a stranger for a few months, then get together to catch up to try to re-invent a spark. (and even this is a pipe dream)
/r/seduction22/07/11 11:25 PM
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I always agree and amplify, then try to lure her into making a statement that's wrong. Really? wow, What's that like? (she'll play along) It must be hard for you. How do you cope? (she'll act like it's a burden) Do you ever have nightmares where you're wrong and it's so realistic you wake up with your heart racing because you thought it might be real? (this is the trap, if she's still in the "it's a burden" game and playing along there's a good chance she'll agree) Wow, it must be a real relief …
/r/seduction20/07/11 05:55 PM
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The answer has been posted more than a few times around here.
/r/seduction20/07/11 05:32 PM
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When a girl is having trouble making eye contact with me I reach out and clasp her hand or forearm. I don't hold it long, just a light touch, usually to emphasize a point, then release. If the touch isn't enough for her to re-establish eye contact, The release probably will be. Don't hold it too long, don't do it too often.
/r/seduction20/07/11 07:35 AM
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Conceptually I understand and agree. Now teaching myself to actually do it. This is the hard part.
/r/seduction20/07/11 12:03 AM
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3 strikes and she's out. Plain and simple. Also if she cancels don't follow up with an immediate counter date. Instead let it sit for a few days, then ping her again and set something up then.
/r/seduction19/07/11 01:30 AM
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how do you dress? do you hover or loom? approach from behind? do you engage in conversation or just toss your 2 cents in here and there? It could be plenty of things, but puacurveball is right. Maybe giving us a short clip of you talking on you tube might give us more to work with. Edit: alternatively, you could own it. How do you feel about the goth/punk scene?
/r/seduction18/07/11 06:26 PM
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you were supposed to make eye contact and hold it. That is all. Some of the best advice I ever got here was from someone who said to "look at her and imagine like you just caught her masturbating to photos of you." Your face will do the rest. This is one of those instances where that's all you needed to do to break the ice.
/r/seduction15/07/11 08:49 PM
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post your field report.
/r/seduction14/07/11 01:07 AM
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This seams like relationship advice, not seduction. You can't maintain the spark over the distance. You can however maintain the relationship. Call her, talk to her. plan trips to visit, get her to plan trips to visit. If you're as determined to cling to your oneitis the way you make it sound, you should be feeling out the possibility of you moving across the country to be with her. (and whether or not she wants you to) start with phone calls. If you can't convince her to pick up the phone and c…
/r/seduction11/07/11 07:12 PM
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I've been making the same damn rose for several years now. Never used to work for me because I'd make it and hand it off right away. Only after I started with PUA stuff I figured it out. It's not in the gift, it's how you give it to her. Now that it's made and in your hand, she has to convince you to give it to her. You know it's for her, she knows it's for her, but she's still got to work for it.
/r/seduction08/07/11 01:30 AM
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deception is different than manipulation.
/r/seduction07/07/11 07:08 PM
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that 3rd one is shaky ground. Every interaction you have with another human being is to illicit a response. With that in mind, everything you say or do is manipulative to a degree. You're trying to manipulate her into talking to you, smiling, laughing, having fun, getting to know you, etc...
/r/seduction07/07/11 06:19 PM
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This is the worst field report I've ever seen.
/r/seduction30/06/11 10:49 PM
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it's normal because A) your coming down off the rush of hormones you were experiencing from the night before. You are crashing just like any other high. B)Society frowned upon sexual acts during your development/explorative years. (teenage years) which may have left you with the idea that sex is something you shouldn't do outside of marriage or it's something you should feel guilty about. Basically you're illogical mind feels down after sex because your coming off a drug, then your logical mind …
/r/seduction21/06/11 12:09 AM
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I think this right here is the answer to your question.
/r/seduction09/06/11 03:59 AM
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I NEVER get good results from a hair ruffle. I've just come to believe the hair is off limits.
/r/seduction09/06/11 03:28 AM
2

I like sexual games. What's the question game?
/r/seduction09/06/11 03:25 AM
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Ive seen guys nudging girls playing pool. If she's standing near where he wants to take a shot he'll pretend like he's setting up his shot, lean over the table, then slowly lean his hip into her to knock her over or make her move. Then he'd stand in a similar position when she's taking her shot to give her a chance to do it back to him. Joking laughing and teasing all the way. Once I watched This escalated to pushing and shoving and her purposely showing off her cleavage at him. It ended when he…
/r/seduction09/06/11 03:23 AM
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It's classic/stereotypical but it works.
/r/seduction09/06/11 03:13 AM
1

alright then, Enjoy your cats.
/r/seduction06/06/11 08:02 PM
4

This is painful to read.
/r/seduction02/06/11 08:05 PM
0

I'd ask you to provide a link as evidence, but you might get banned.
/r/seduction31/05/11 08:45 PM
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Do NOT add her to Facebook if you've not said a word. It's all sorts of creepy. Go to church again, and this time try talking to her.
/r/seduction31/05/11 04:01 AM
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I just pull her in close enough to feel it too. You shouldn't be the only one enjoying it, share it with her.
/r/seduction31/05/11 03:47 AM
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In my experience it's games like this that really highlight your confidence for a girl. (and confidence is to girls what cleavage is to guys). You're confidence is so strong it makes her question her reality.
/r/seduction30/05/11 07:07 PM
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The best lies are the ones that are obviously lies. It's not meant to be taken serious. It's a game.
/r/seduction30/05/11 06:53 PM
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correction, he RE-posted someones personal information and got banned for it. :P
/r/seduction26/05/11 06:39 PM
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why? :P
/r/seduction25/05/11 06:44 PM
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up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right b, a, start.
/r/seduction25/05/11 06:43 PM
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It's a tough call. Some girls Hate to lose, other love to get destroyed. Personally I try to make the game close.
/r/seduction12/05/11 07:26 PM
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How I got around this was just by learning to dance with a partner. Salsa, swing and blues. I took some lessons as a hobby and there are regular events around my city where I can go to practice. Blues is especially good because it's the most flexible (allowing you to play around and be fun) and the emphasis is on being sexy/flirty. After I got used to doing this my dance game at the clubs changed drastically. I wasn't afraid to just go out on the dance floor and have fun solo. I don't apply any …
/r/seduction03/05/11 04:40 PM
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I was this guy in high school. It was the result of one of two things. A: he likes you but has no idea how to approach you. Talk to him. Invite him to do fun stuff. B: he doesn't like you but you've got a nice body and he's so sexually frustrated he doesn't stop staring. "hey buddy, a bunch of us are going out for drinks later. You should come with". If he says yes, get him drunk and jump him. If he says no, get drunk and jump somebody else.
/r/seduction27/04/11 01:33 AM
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I call it Disney syndrome. The whole idea that you should stay true to who you are and there will be somebody out there for you is a fairy tale. You have to keep an eye on yourself and try to see what it is about you that puts people off and learn how to change it. Many people won't do this.
/r/seduction23/04/11 04:25 PM
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Practicing game has helped reduce my introvertedness. (yes, I just made up a word.)
/r/seduction23/04/11 03:20 AM
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don't encourage them like this. :(
/r/seduction20/04/11 12:13 AM
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It's meant to be insulting. Using it as such implies that you associate being gay as a negative thing.
/r/seduction01/04/11 08:02 AM
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I've never heard it as a synonym for "weird." When you say something is gay, it's used in a derogatory manner. This implies that you have negative connotations towards people who are gay. It's the same as when someones being cheap and you call them a Jew.
/r/seduction31/03/11 02:49 AM
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I think all of her comments against "douchebags" we tend to address as well. Her complaints against men are kind of right, but her advice is waaaay off.
/r/seduction30/03/11 06:14 PM
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She's asking you to buy her something? Treat it as a shit test.
/r/seduction27/03/11 11:42 PM
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Trolls: GTFO or STFU AFC's: Welcome. You're here to learn, you won't do that without commenting/questioning. Keep it up and we'll try to be patient. Feminists: r/twoxchromosomes is that way. ---> White Knights: When you come to terms with the fact that you're actually AFC's then we can talk. Beta's: Still just AFC's.
/r/seduction24/03/11 12:53 AM
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people make mistakes, people have different comfort zones. Playfully tugging on one girls hair might be fun for her, and the next might be upsetting. you're not going to know until you try. If she's visibly uncomfortable, you back off and start rebuilding comfort. plain and simple. but you do it on you're own terms. The white knight swooping in to "save" her is unnecessary. He's making a knee jerk reaction that's compounding the issue. So now you have to juggle rebuilding comfort AND disarming t…
/r/seduction24/03/11 12:36 AM
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I seriously think we got a surge of trolls a few months back. Not sure where from.
/r/seduction24/03/11 12:32 AM
2

but back off doesn't mean stop altogether. There's a reason why it's called Push and pull instead of just push push push. If she's looking noticeably uncomfortable. back off, reset positions and try again. slower, carefully, from a different angle.
/r/seduction24/03/11 12:30 AM
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the same point you're playfully punching her in the arm, or bumping her hip with yours or any other play fighting to establish whether it's okay to touch or not. The point is you do something playful to establish the connection and read her body language. If you tug on her hair (maybe you're teasing her about wearing extensions or something) and she's still laughing you've pretty much got a go ahead to play with her hair whenever you want. If she clams up/looks uneasy you're not there yet, and y…
/r/seduction24/03/11 12:26 AM
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You've never had this happen? I've had guys step in mid conversation with a look of rage on their eyes. Maybe they're boyfriends? or wannabe boyfriends? Occasionally I run into some guy with a fucked up sense of ownership over a girl I'm chatting up in the bar and the look on his face reads "walk away because you're seconds away from a beating". I usually just back off. I can't be bothered getting in a fight over some girl. Not exactly an alpha reaction on my part but it's mostly because I don't…
/r/seduction24/03/11 12:15 AM
2

Awesome post but.... What happens in the situations where the white knight steps in between you and her?
/r/seduction24/03/11 12:09 AM
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I think I've finally got "wait 2 days" Under control. It's taken months of trying to make that one feel natural. (having a couple different girls drop me because I call too soon/often and it made me seem needy helped me learn to back off).
/r/seduction22/03/11 06:37 PM
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I'm ugly as fuck and I can make kino work. The other thing I've picked up on from girls is they tend to talk a lot about the things they don't like about a guy, when they like a guy. I'm not sure why this is. Maybe because it's taboo to go on about how great he is? Or maybe they want to disqualify him in front of the other girls to limit the competition?
/r/seduction13/03/11 05:14 AM
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not even. unless his posse is a bunch of sheep. if they agreed, or had a problem with you, they'd tell it to you're face. If anything he's probably bitching you out infront of them and they're nodding out of agreement and echoing things back at him to try to make him feel better. trust me on this one, it's all in you're head. this is the usual ex drama people go through. let it go.
/r/seduction06/03/11 03:03 AM
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Ex boyfriend is jealous. Ignore him. What about your friends? Or the tomboyish girls?
/r/seduction06/03/11 01:54 AM
2

Isn't this the oldest pickup line in the book? Heck I even used it tonight when I was at a loss for words.
/r/seduction04/03/11 09:46 AM
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I flirt with my best friends wife, all the time, right infront of him. Verbal flirting doesn't necessarily mean she wants to jump you. It just means she's comfortable with you. Initiate kino if you want to know for sure. But frankly, I wouldn't bother with an engaged woman. Thats just my personal taste. Secondly you CAN game the clubs/pubs solo. It's just much harder. Start the evening chatting up some guys in the line, or ordering you drinks. Get their names. Remember them. Every time you pass …
/r/seduction04/03/11 05:06 AM
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Confirm the day of, a few hours before. I'm still trying to find a method I like for this. One rule I like is "don't ask". "I'll see you at 8" is far better than "are we still on for 8?"
/r/seduction04/03/11 04:13 AM
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And if I don't drive?
/r/seduction04/03/11 04:10 AM
1

Start with getting him out of the house and initiating conversations with people. Being alpha is a mindset. Once he shows he's willing to put work into this, he'll be ready to put work into his body too.
/r/seduction04/03/11 03:31 AM
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When I was an afc, people who tried to encourage me to do this just pissed me off. Making these lifestyle changes are hard to do if your doing it without direction. I had to start just by learning some basic social routines and the theories behind them. I had to apply them and have success so that I knew first hand they worked. I had a very negative perception of pua's when I started and at the same time I was doing exactly what this kid was doing. Breaking down into tears in front of near stran…
/r/seduction04/03/11 03:25 AM
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I agree, there was a low probability of a call back on the day of an un-finalized plan. (either to cancel or to come) This isn't a oneitis thing I'm not banking on a future, or even a date with this girl. The point of this post is that this is a scenario I find myself in repeatedly, and on occasion I DO get the last minute text or phone call and it kills my frame. I don't know how to respond to it. I'm looking for feedback to how other guys respond when a girl leaves you hanging, then comes back…
/r/seduction03/03/11 10:16 PM
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You're over analyzing how much it'll take to help this guy. you don't have to turn him into a player. You just need to point him in the right direction. Start with the basics of teaching him one step at a time. pull back if it's making things difficult on your relationship but by then you can point him towards seddit and other sights and let him keep moving forward on his own. plain and simple truth is, girls know pickup exists. They appreciate it.
/r/seduction03/03/11 06:52 PM
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What op is asking is, how do you ping a girl. The best way is to remind her of an inside joke you share. "hey there corny! Do you remember that time with the corn?" Or. Just flat out invite her to something that sounds fun. "im going to that big concert this weekend, you should come with. It'll be fun."
/r/seduction03/03/11 03:32 AM
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"hey, can I get your number?" "sorry, I have a girlfriend.". "hey, So do I! Do you want to trade? ;). ".
/r/seduction03/03/11 03:29 AM
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Here's a little trick most guys don't consider. She's at the library without any friends, just you and her. This IS the date. Imagine you show up on a date with a girl and the first thing you do is plan the next date? It doesn't work. Chat with her, tease her get her laughing. Touch her a little bit. Have fun with her until it becomes obvious she's getting into you, then either a: change locations and start date 2. Or b: get her number to start date to later.
/r/seduction03/03/11 03:24 AM
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I do, on other days of the week, etc. So what you're saying is, don't invite her out for one on one time, so much as invite a bunch of people out and try to get her included. Make her part of the gang?
/r/seduction03/03/11 01:55 AM
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this is stuff I'm getting. What I don't get is what to do if a girl gets back to me on the day of a plan that she left hanging. I've had it happen a few times in the past and I'd left the day open "just in case" So it kinda worked out. But now it seams remarkably beta to do it this way.
/r/seduction03/03/11 01:45 AM
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going to blah with some friends, you should come too, it'll be fun. I like this, but I don't know how to play it. Do I then invite a bunch of my friends out too and make it a big group thing? Or do I just show up on my own and tell her the others bailed at the last minute, but we can still have fun? I always get the sense that the idea of hanging out with me + a bunch of strangers she's never met comes off as more intimidating. "I barely know this guy, what if I don't mesh with his friends, fade…
/r/seduction03/03/11 01:43 AM
1

Ive done this same exact thing when I began practicing kino. I wish i could say i Laughed, teased her mercilessly for the expression on her face restarted kino escalation. And ended the teasing by pulling her in close, looking her in the eye and saying, "well, you can't deny that there are sparks flying between us". kiss. No, I lost frame, and stuttered, and awkwardly tried to continue kino from where we had been, which caused her to pull back and wall off. :P
/r/seduction02/03/11 10:02 PM
2

the secret is, the carrot on the stick.
/r/seduction02/03/11 10:09 AM
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Why do I get the feeling that the skill he's alluding to is actually . . . The one he just pulled on us. :P
/r/seduction02/03/11 02:53 AM
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It occurs to me I still do when trying a street approach. "excuse me, do you know where (large unavoidable landmark in the direction she appears to be walking) is?". "hah, it's a good thing I asked I was headed the wrong way". (turns and starts walking with her). "My name is..." I've landed mini dates this way but haven't used it in a while. The excuse me seams to pop their bubble a little better and get their attention. But I mostly use it because I haven't experimented with variations of it. I…
/r/seduction01/03/11 03:42 AM
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seconded.
/r/seduction28/02/11 09:05 PM
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So you can have seduction OR you can have a relationship but a woman has no right to desire both? I think you're still stuck in the mindset that all PUA is about is getting layed with strangers. We're here to learn to build attraction. Quite frankly I don't want to land in a relationship if we can't generate a spark between each other and neither does this girl. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Most attractive girls can walk into any bar and club and experience attraction some level of attract…
/r/seduction28/02/11 07:35 PM
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yes I agree. "He can be a bit of a jerk, but he's a great guy if you get to know him" Is the ideal response to aim for if you want to keep a girl around. The cocky funny jerk is what's going to reel them in. The nice guy deep down is what they're going to stick around for. They want to know you're going to look out for them, but you're not going to let them walk all over you. The afc nice guy we generally refer to in seddit is the doormat.
/r/seduction28/02/11 06:55 PM
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"he wasn't kino'ing me enough". Is a fair complaint for her to have and she SHOULD notice it. Kino'ing a girl is an expectation of theirs. Even if they don't know what it is. They know they like to be touched, everywhere and often. She just knows enough about seddit to put it in our terms.
/r/seduction28/02/11 06:30 PM
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I agree with you in that The texting doesn't make her sound as cool and popular as she seams to believe. I find it to be antisocial and judge people as such when they're doing it in a social setting. If she wants to show she's interesting and popular she should be chatting up the people who are there. On the other hand, I back her decision to reject the kiss, and quite frankly I've actually had girls go in for a kiss with me that I'd rejected because they were too try hard to let me set the mood…
/r/seduction28/02/11 06:22 PM
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Gamed a girl who knew me as afc two years ago. We'd tried going out once and I was instantly friend zoned. She moved away. came back for a visit. We went out for drinks, then dancing and I was running routines on her from the moment I saw her. finally at one point. She was sitting on a table in front of me, i'd hit her with the bedroom eyes and was walking up to her when she flat out asks me. "what the hell happened, you're so confident now." I told her I had no idea what she was talking about, …
/r/seduction28/02/11 04:51 PM
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I am resolved to try this, but I don't normally hip check girls and tend to underestimate my own strength... I expect to fail a few times. :P but it'll still be a damn funny story later.
/r/seduction28/02/11 10:50 AM
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I tried the thumb thing and I found I didn't like the way I looked like this either. I prefer to just stand up straight. puff out you're chest a little bit. I had a personal trainer who'd tell me to always make sure I walked like I could stop bullets with my chest. it's my shield. yeah I have trouble hearing at times, I usually indicate for them to take a step closer and I'll only bend over to close the gap if she's already visibly straining to close the gap with me. Or I'll just say it's too lo…
/r/seduction28/02/11 10:43 AM
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6'6 and I do this one. Just don't linger, you want to "get bored" of this before she does and removes you're arm for you. (IE you can't be a two headed monster all night)
/r/seduction28/02/11 10:38 AM
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I haven't read through the comments there yet, but I did read the article and thought, while I didn't quite agree with everything, overall she had some damn good points and was actually considering pointing a friend towards it who's just starting out here in seddit. I hope the douchebags don't scare her off.
/r/seduction28/02/11 10:31 AM
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The point is, not everybody here is a confident person. they're learning how to build that confidence. Sure saying Hi can occasionally lead to a golden situational conversation that will light up her eyes, but It's just as likely to lead to the situation I described. If it does, you need to have some sort of backup plan. Unless you're experienced enough that you have a pool of conversational topics to grab at when she drops the ball. "just say hi" doesn't work. Stop thinking of this as you're op…
/r/seduction28/02/11 10:23 AM
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them: "Hi." pauses to see what you have to say. realizes you're just staring at her gets uncomfortable and breaks eye contact starts walking away edit: oh wait. I think somebody just covered this surefire technique in more detail.
/r/seduction27/02/11 11:06 PM
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A: the point of "agree and amplify" is to blow it out of proportion so it becomes almost comedic. You didn't amplify enough. B: I think you confused her by posting the pic link. You're comment was far more powerful without the link. Applying it does create the connection that you're comparing her to Jessica Biel's portrayal of Pocahontas. You essentially told her she's hot, in such a passive awkward way she's more confused than anything. My best suggestion would be to caveman it, pretend it neve…
/r/seduction25/02/11 11:04 PM
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As an impartial 3rd party that doesn't know precisely what was said, or it's context. The implication is that your being clingy somehow and she's passively calling you on it.
/r/seduction25/02/11 02:17 AM
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You've played pool before right? An amateur hits the cue as hard as he can in the general direction of the target and hopes one or two of the balls ricochets enough times that it falls into a pocket. A skilled player, chooses his target, calls the pocket, then takes the shot. You're just tossing out a wide net, gathering up girls and hoping they're going to climb on top of you, and granted, a hand full of them will. The point of seddit is to hone your skills so when you meet that girl that you a…
/r/seduction24/02/11 06:24 AM
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No, this is a question for seddit on how to get to day 2. Therfore it belongs here. To answer the question, this is a bit of a sticking point for me too so I can't quite promise you this will work but one thing I want you to do is try gaming sober girls to test how good your game really is. Your insisting it's pretty solid, but "the lady dost protest too much, methinks". Another trick is to deny them the makeout/fuck close on the first night. I'm having a bit of success by getting their number a…
/r/seduction24/02/11 03:08 AM
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Set up a chance to meet. Isolate, flirt, flirt, kino kino, by the time you can stroke her neck comfortably hit her with the bedroom eyes, "I can't believe you've never kissed a guy before". (blah blah blah, I really haven't). "well maybe it's time for a change then.". Lean in slow and kiss. Give her one of those magic moments you only see in the movies. (don't make it a question, it's an observation).
/r/seduction24/02/11 02:56 AM
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only problem here is, stylists balk when I ask them for a suggestion. They never seam to want to put any ideas forward.
/r/seduction24/02/11 12:04 AM
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If I were op, I'd invite the girl out for dinner, not telling her where, but talk up the meal like it's the most amazing one ever (and by the way the chef is a stellar individual too). I'd march her into the grocery store, order the primary meal for us (whatever I know how to cook). And let her browse the menu (aisles) for stuff to go with it. (let her pick the veggies/seasoning whatever) take her home, get her to help me cook it (let her take over as much of the cooking side as she wants). Eat,…
/r/seduction23/02/11 10:21 PM
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TLDR: has no interest in playing the game, just wants the reward at the end.
/r/seduction23/02/11 10:06 PM
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Hah, I don't normally run with wings because most of my friends are clingy afc's. :( this thread just reminds me that it could be just as bad with a wing. :P
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:56 AM
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Yeah, your friend zoned. I did this to myself when I started with game. Then I did something even stupider. I continued to try to game her even after we'd had a "just friends" talk While I was just learning the material. (and making all the dumb newby mistakes). Long story short, she thinks I'm a creeper and won't talk to me outside of emails. There is no magic pill. We can't turn you into a Casanova over night. All we can do is give you a hand ful of tips, discuss why we think something you did…
/r/seduction23/02/11 07:36 AM
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You'll find the girl is strong enough to maintain eye contact in clubs and parties after she's had a few. If she does just imagine you just caught her masturbating to pictures of you. (this will give you the next face you need). And saunter up to her and start a conversation. (my favorite thing to do is approach without saying a word slowly loop a finger into her pocket or front of her waist band then walk backwards towards the dance floor. Don't break eye contact. If she resists she'll break ey…
/r/seduction23/02/11 03:28 AM
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I'm posting from my phone and can't easily provide links but if you search seddit for "kino escalation". It should provide some very useful tips.
/r/seduction23/02/11 12:33 AM
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She doesn't really need to know anything to answer and your making her think without possibly making an attack on what she believes. Unless it's something she happens to be passionate about, Politics and religion are instant mood killers. I had to force myself through reading your post. "she doesn't really need to know anything to answer" but if that's the case your talking over her head, and she's thinking about going to the bathroom to call her escape plan and order an immediate evac. Edit: if…
/r/seduction22/02/11 09:07 PM
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iPods are the Bain of pick up. I love my tunes, but I do recognize I'm missing out on a lot of opportunity as I listen. I'm actually reaching the point where I put the head phones away during crowded points in my commute so I'm more aware of my surroundings and can more readily make a situational comment. When ever I'm at a loss for a golden pick up. I fall back on "do you have the time". To break the silence, then follow it up with an opinion opener. "what do you think about..."
/r/seduction22/02/11 10:36 AM
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Avoid interview questions, build kino.
/r/seduction22/02/11 10:12 AM
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Gotta admit, you went from alpha at the parties to beta on the date. My belief (and I'm not always right) is: First mistake, movie at my place. This = sex. You know it, she knows it. Don't recommend this unless you've had some strong flirty sexy banter in the conversation as you making plans. Instead, invite her out for coffee/drinks at a spot that happens to be near your place. It's easier to invite her over after some kino. Second, letting her pick the restaurant. Girls like a guy to take char…
/r/seduction22/02/11 09:57 AM
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I always got the sense that creepy is a form of aggressive, yet insecure sexual expression. The most classic example is when a guy tries to dance with a girl from behind. You can't sneak up and dance with some one. It doesn't work. The only way to counter a creepy accusation is to act like she didn't even register on the radar sexually, so she thinks it's all in her head. If your sticking to the basics. (approach from the front, make eye contact, paying attention to ioi, not coming off as needy …
/r/seduction22/02/11 09:33 AM
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I'm not convinced most girls see that distingion between going out and going on a date, they seam too similar.
/r/seduction22/02/11 06:16 AM
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Spinning plates seams to be helping eliminate my neediness. If one girl doesn't want to make plans this evening, another might. My super awesome weekend plan for 2 isn't immediately shot to dust. I'm taking on the mind set that I don't date. We hang out, have fun together and go with the flow. (which I'm directing). Girls seam to respond better to that. Far less pressure.
/r/seduction21/02/11 10:37 PM
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I gotta admit, I don't see this as a shit test. I do see this as interview questions and i'm not afraid to tell her that and tease her a bit for asking the boring questions. I've actually managed to turn asking questions into a game a couple of times where I open with. "okay fun question of the evening...blah blah blah" then when they eventualy come around with a boring question (what's your name, what do you do, how old are you, where are you from) I'll say "ooooh that sounds like an interview …
/r/seduction21/02/11 05:09 PM
2

Depends on if you can make it fun for them or not.
/r/seduction21/02/11 12:16 AM
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Used to hate this. I always had a huge "why the fuck are you touching me" response. But it occured to me that people I warmed up to really fast were the ones who'd touch me, but do it briefly. A touch on a hand or an arm to highlight a point, then release before I had a chance to vocalize my discomfort or remove their hand for them. That seams to be the key for early kino.
/r/seduction21/02/11 12:15 AM
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I've been using "secrets" to accomplish this. If i've got her engaged enough that she wants to know something about me, I'll dodge it or make her guess for a little bit to build up suspense, then tell her, okay, I'll tell you but it's a secret... (lean in close, talk into her ear, speak slowly, use your bedroom voice). If the seating is bad, I'll lean half way in then pull back as though I can't quite get close enough, give a slightly unimpressed look at the obstacle, then point at her, point at…
/r/seduction21/02/11 12:08 AM
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But the e-fluff that you skipped is the part I'm most interested in.
/r/seduction20/02/11 11:39 PM
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Isn't there a wingmen located in the sidebar that no one ever uses? Do we need a whole subreddit to ignore too? :P
/r/seduction19/02/11 03:11 AM
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Some how I can picture my former self holding his head and confused and frustrated exclaiming. "but why? but she said... but I don't understand. arrrgghh" after reading this. and my current self just laughing and saying that's just the way it is, just roll with it buddy.
/r/seduction19/02/11 12:34 AM
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No it's not ok. If this is your angle, don't even respond to the text. Let her wonder/ worry she screwed it up tonight.
/r/seduction18/02/11 10:04 PM
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I've been considering doing exactly this as a disarm. But I wrote it off because I thought it would be bad to use the F-word.
/r/seduction18/02/11 09:58 PM
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It used to just leave me confused. it gave me nothing to go on for what went wrong and how I could try to change things for next time and I was hearing it so often It was turning me into an angry bitter individual. (anything to keep from hearing "your so nice" again) It's because of seddit and other pickup sources where I could start to get reliable feedback (or at least a reasonable guess/clue) as to what I was doing wrong that I was able to let go of that.
/r/seduction18/02/11 04:59 PM
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it's easy to say, hard to do. At least for me. Being patient and playing the waiting game is a HUGE sticking point for me. It pay's off, I've done it often enough to know from experience. but I actually NEED to keep my mind busy while waiting it out or I start to over think things and fuck things up. Right now actually, Met a girl who seams like she'd be a lot of fun. exchanged numbers, went home, went to bed, got a phonecall and a text at 3am. i'm thinking It's monday night, I work in the morni…
/r/seduction18/02/11 09:34 AM
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Give her a few days to herself to think it out. When she says she doesn't want to get into a relationship right now, tell her it's way to soon to be considering that stuff right now. We're just taking if one day at a time and having fun together. If that stuff starts to happen we'll worry about it then. But just because she had some fun with you doesn't mean your proposing to her.
/r/seduction18/02/11 04:12 AM
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Just go out and do your thing without them. It's harder sarging solo. But sarging with guys who aren't even in the game is worse. Once you start getting some success, your confidence will go up and you won't worry so much about it. Eventually you'll start having success in front of them and they'll be both proud and maybe even jealous.
/r/seduction18/02/11 03:18 AM
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Actually, when I got into pick up a lot of my male friends stuck up their noses at it and gave me a bunch of holier than thou bullshit. ( seduction is NOT about sleeping with every woman you meet.). I probably wouldn't have stuck with it but it was actually a few girls I know who were reading the material who were convinced that more guys out there should be taking the time to learn this stuff. Needless to say most of those guy friends are socially awkward afc's who's approach to dating is to ju…
/r/seduction18/02/11 03:11 AM
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I have one wing woman who stages a cut in on the dance floor. We dance together, I'll lock eyes with a girl and we'll dance towards her, open up so she can join us, if she seams focused on my friend she's just there to dance. So I'll dance for a little bit then dance away. If she follows, or if she seams focused on me as we dance I'll step in-between her and my friend pull her in closer and dance off with her. My wing woman usually steps in to intercept any friends that are trying to keep my tar…
/r/seduction18/02/11 02:50 AM
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gotta find a way to change it up so the conversation isn't recieved as "friendly" so much as "fun" and "flirty".
/r/seduction18/02/11 01:37 AM
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tried that with a girl, who later complained that "it was nice at times, but seamed kinda clingy at other times" Now I try to do it in bursts. if she's sending me the instant replies, I'll give her quick replies (5 minute wait times.) for a handful of texts. I'll use it as an excuse to give her a call "this just seamed easier than texting", or I'll make sure that I'm the one who "gets distracted" and doesn't text back for a while. Also I've been finding the "lets go out tomorrow" approach gets f…
/r/seduction18/02/11 01:32 AM
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this is what I'm getting at when I say girls have an idea of what they "should" want.
/r/seduction17/02/11 11:51 PM
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I'm curious as to why you're confidence is higher when you're unbathed and smell like shit.
/r/seduction17/02/11 09:52 PM
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Definitely want to hear your take on this. Also, what's your take on the "you're such a nice guy, you're everything I'm looking for in a man, you're going to make some girl very happy one day but... we should just stay friends" talk that so many of us AFC's have heard from girls. For me it's talks like this that reinforce the idea that "women don't know what they want" Which i feel is slightly inaccurate. I think Women have an Idea of what they "should" want. Which is the idealistic, caring nice…
/r/seduction17/02/11 09:47 PM
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Also, physical attractiveness is WAY more important than people who sell PUA material make it out to be. Just remember physical attractiveness can be cheated. Many guys tend to think utilitarian and wear whatever gets the job done. Girls tend to appreciate it when a guy shows awareness of his own appearance and commits some time making himself look good. Lets face it, us guys appreciate it when a girl does this too. Just be careful about appearing too concerned about you're looks. for me, I've g…
/r/seduction17/02/11 09:32 PM
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heh, when I was a teen I was too self righteous to use them. :P
/r/seduction16/02/11 07:46 PM
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Turns out, the last super shy girl I met was trying to avoid long term relationships and just wanted to be meeting people in the here and now. She felt like all the guys she was meeting were aiming for the long term and all she wanted was a lover on the side while she got her shit together.
/r/seduction16/02/11 05:46 PM
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I'm here solo, I feel awkward, "I just want to go home. But I'm not allowed until I get that one girls name" That's how I started. The trick was to choose a goal, and push for it, then reward myself by going home. (or somewhere else). If your not happy at a location your going to have lousy game. But challenge your limits before giving up.
/r/seduction15/02/11 07:03 PM
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So as an update? Find a place that's hosting a ladies night. Lots of girls, most are chatty. Downside? I can't seam to manage an isolate while solo tonight. :(.
/r/seduction15/02/11 07:10 AM
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Yes and no. It's all in what you say and how you say it. "what brings you out tonight": "oh well it's valentines day, i was feeling kind of lonely, I thought I'd go out and hit on chicks". Truth, but pathetic. "I felt like it, why do I need a better reason than that?" also truth.
/r/seduction15/02/11 05:41 AM
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Just make sure you've got a good cover story. Right now it seams socially acceptable for groups of friends to go out and enjoy being single tonight. But I'm not sure how well flying solo is going to work. I don't have any reliable wingmen tonight, so thats how I'm going to attempt, maybe I'll have a good story or two by the time I get back.
/r/seduction15/02/11 04:25 AM
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The way the girls were all acting at the clubs this weekend, I suspect they're up to the challenge too. ;)
/r/seduction07/02/11 06:08 PM
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Keep in mind the idea that your romantic life is supposed to be special or picturesque is a hollywoodism that's been imposed on you from your childhood. Let go of it. The truth is your first experiences are going to be embarassing and awkward. All you can do is try to learn from each one and try to improve.
/r/seduction06/02/11 06:51 AM
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yeah, just wish it was my own. :P next time.
/r/seduction06/02/11 05:25 AM
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I threw a party about a year back and what I would consider an hb10 (and I avoid saying Anyone is a 10). Shows up. New in town, hardly knows anybody. At one point she's out on the deck with 3 or 4 guys (myself included) and we're all AFC'ing like mad. Telling her how great she is and how beautiful and all that. This one guy (who has damn good game). Comes out, see's what's going on throws his hands up in the air and says "why don't we all just kiss (hb10's) ass then!". Then he turns and goes bac…
/r/seduction06/02/11 02:38 AM
1

I've been eyeing these too, thinking they're pretty much guaranteed to improve your game. Let me know how it works out.
/r/seduction06/02/11 02:25 AM
2

This is the winning answer. Remember, it's not a competition. This other guy isn't even in the running. Whenever you see him treat him like you would if he was one of her girlfriends/sisters. (without any flirting). He's just one of the bro's.
/r/seduction06/02/11 02:23 AM
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Take dance classes! It's a GREAT place to meet women and it helps you on the dance floor. Salsa, swing, blues, hiphop. They don't really teach you much about club dancing, but if you have a solid foundation in a couple of these you'll know enough to fake it with just about any music. Also, taking one of the girls you meet in these classes with you as your wingman is EXCELLENT social proof. You'll know how to play off each other and you'll both look damn good on the dance floor. It doesn't take m…
/r/seduction05/02/11 03:49 AM
1

Review his post history, he doesn't have a single worthwhile comment. He's lost, he thinks seddit is circlejerk.
/r/seduction05/02/11 03:13 AM
1

Its the facial reaction/body language I react to. It throws me off and puts me on the defensive. I know I shouldn't let that happen. It's a sticking point for me.
/r/seduction05/02/11 02:43 AM
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I commend you for standing up for cheddar, that guy gives great advice. Now, stop feeding the troll. :P
/r/seduction05/02/11 12:10 AM
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Too easy. Besides, it's a bad habit to get into, especially if she turns out to be someone I want to keep.
/r/seduction05/02/11 12:02 AM
1

Bingo
/r/seduction04/02/11 09:03 PM
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Trust me, I've been looking. It's a lot easier said then done. Where the hell is my generation anyways? :( I know where to find the bars I'll go in 10 years, and the bars I should have been at 10 years ago. There seams to be a gap in between.
/r/seduction04/02/11 08:53 PM
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I've been trying variations of the first one, that's where I keep getting caught dodging the question. I do like the second one. Ill give that one a shot.
/r/seduction04/02/11 08:43 PM
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One thing I'm learning is that girls do this too. I'm playing with ways to work a playful text or two into the scenario as soon as I get their number. Preferably something that is funny that came up in our conversation. That way when If either of us are going through our phones we don't just get names, but a small memory jog of who we were.
/r/seduction03/02/11 10:21 PM
1

this is one recent example of a common theme. I'm not going to even begin to count the number of times where women have told me "your everything I'm looking for in a man, but..." then follow it up with some weak excuse that could be easily addressed/fixed but they just don't want to.
/r/seduction03/02/11 08:52 PM
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Not bad, but hb-b was your target right? She was playing off of you that night, but what's the plan for seeing her again? I suspect the phonecall to her might just be the validation she needs to tell herself, "yup, still got it". Right before she shuts you down.
/r/seduction02/02/11 04:53 AM
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He's trying to learn how to come off as alpha in front of his peers. Really the best response would be to throw a few zingers back at her. The problem I'd you need to maintain a sense of playful banter instead of petty bickering.
/r/seduction31/01/11 01:18 AM
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A few weeks back I was gaming a girl at a pub. We were outside and planning on leaving when she gets a text from one of her friends inside. She'd gotten separated from her friends and couldn't find anybody. The girl I was with just bursts into tears because she couldn't leave her friend behind like that. (which totally threw off my game). I gave up and reverted to mother hen mode. (my default drunk mode that i try to keep in check). I took her back inside, helped her find her friend and walked t…
/r/seduction30/01/11 11:51 PM
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I actually laughed when I saw the picture. I'd actually consider field testing this for a while... Except its a soccer thing and succeed isn't that popular in this country. I expect it's too vague for some most girls I know.
/r/seduction28/01/11 02:45 AM
1

To me, the eye contact says she's not too happy about having her picture taken.
/r/seduction28/01/11 02:37 AM
1

Hah hah, does she know she's a reddit heart throb now? The threads talking about how hot she is keep weirding me out. To me, she looks too much like my little sister.
/r/seduction28/01/11 02:35 AM
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Get your toes wet by talking to strangers. Not necessarily in bars and not necessarily hot girls. Anybody, and everybody. Talk to the guy sitting next to you on the bus, or at a coffee shop. The very first step is to get used to starting a conversation with a stranger. Also, pay attention to the people who talk to you. If someone strikes up a conversation with you, or you catch someone starting a conversation with someone else, listen in. Just long enough to hear how they got the ball rolling.
/r/seduction25/01/11 01:29 AM
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hah, your right. Thanks man.
/r/seduction22/01/11 07:49 PM
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My AFC was showing. Did it again tonight too. Couldn't find a way to isolate from the mother hen in the group, so I found myself helping her to stay on her good side. Number closed my target but got labeled the nice guy in the process. Somehow I doubt She'll pick up when I call.
/r/seduction22/01/11 12:37 PM
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Ah I wasn't aware. (or maybe I read it somewhere and adapted it, not sure. The best result I ever got was from a hb 9 who was asking random people in the bar to rate her and her friends. (7 and 8). I took one look at her, smirked and told her she had dropped down to a 3 for asking, but she should ask me again when I'm finished my drink. She was fuming, but her friends laughed and instantly decided I was part of the group. The 7 and the 8 were competing pretty fiercely with each other for my atte…
/r/seduction22/01/11 02:54 AM
1

I guess you have two options. A: have the friends over too. It'll be easy to be alpha, it's you're home. It'll help build rapport social proof and during the movie portion you know the other set is a couple so they're probably going to cuddle up a bit anyways. Perhaps it'll cue the target to do the same. B: cancel the evening. "oh well if you already have plans with them, I had some things I need to get done this week anyways" I'm not sure how to quite deliver this without comming off as beta or…
/r/seduction22/01/11 01:21 AM
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smooth, and stolen. I've been trapped by the "on the scale of 1 - 10, how hot am I" question a few times. I've started responding by turning cold and saying "oooh, you've lost a few points just for asking." sometimes it get's them trying to earn those points back. I'm trying to find a way to expand that a little more so they become more receptive to that game.
/r/seduction21/01/11 11:05 PM
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girls like being called a princess until they're about 18. Then they grow up.
/r/seduction17/01/11 06:20 PM
1

next time a girl hits you, hit her back straight away. not hard, just hard enough to let her know that you protect yourself. That's what I consider inappropriate behavior. The way you describe it didn't sound like you were instigating a playful slap fight. The playful kino slap fight is a good way to go if your trying to escalate, but your missing that the OP was actually offended by her behavior. This is actually a really good question because if you move past the initial pickup stage you need …
/r/seduction10/01/11 11:59 PM
1

"hitting her back". Is equally inappropriate. (or more so depending how hard you swing). If she crosses a line it's okay to get mad and tell her off, but don't hit her.
/r/seduction10/01/11 04:40 PM
1

don't touch her when she's plastered, she'll feel taken advantage of in the morning and the sex would be bland at best. when she's hungover, that's what the water on the night stand is for. Disheveled, if you do your job right she will be by the time your done with her anyways. smelly, suck it up, escalate kino anyways until your sure she's comfortable with you both getting nekkid, then get up and say "it's time to get up, I really need a shower right now... coming?" I don't know about you, but …
/r/seduction07/01/11 09:29 PM
1

your walking down a path when you come across a girl walking in the opposite direction, doing her own thing. Instead of saying hi, or interacting with her in any way. you stepped off the path and made yourself scarce until she was out of your way. what I'm saying is, you didn't create a memory, of any substance. you didn't stand out. you just watched from the bushes. worse still you didn't create the illusion that she could have you if she just tried a little harder. In your quest to be the nobl…
/r/seduction07/01/11 09:20 PM
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G'mornin sunshine. Pans are in the lower shelf, eggs are in the fridge, there's a toaster on the counter, I like my eggs scrambled. What? you didn't think sleeping in the comfy bed would come with out price did you?
/r/seduction07/01/11 04:31 AM
1

Bullshit! Every party I've ever thrown no girl has ever crawled into someones bed without having some idea of who's it is. The girls who just want a safe place to sleep choose couches or closets or bathtubs. Do you think she would just as soon climb into your fat smelly roomates bed? What about your creepy playboy wannabe roomates bed. She wants to be found there. Climb into bed with her, let her make the next move.
/r/seduction07/01/11 04:23 AM
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Keep the pen handy in the morning. Play with it like your fidgeting. Look down at it, look up at her and stare with a stupid grin on your face like you find something funny. If she asks "what". Shake out of it, resume conversation... Then repeat until she figures it out and runs to the bathroom. Make sure your laughing hard as she goes to check. The joke (because you didnt) isn't that you drew on her face, it's that you psyched her out. :P Make sure it looks like your trying to hide your grin. M…
/r/seduction07/01/11 04:08 AM
1

No, this is kinda needy in it's own way. It's like asking her permission to fuck or something. Personally, I'd sleep in MY bed. When she wakes up I might tease her about the hangover or make up some wild story that she did last night (to try to make her laugh and test how much she ACTUALLY) remembers.(but avoid putting her in sexually compromising situations in this story). And focus on putting a smile on her face. IF she seams concerned or doesn't actually remember any thing I'll assure her tha…
/r/seduction07/01/11 04:00 AM
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Don't draw on her face. You want her to wake up and realize shes secure passing out around you. If you draw on her face you want her awake and squealing with laughter as she simultaneously pushes you away with her arms and clings to you with her legs.
/r/seduction07/01/11 03:50 AM
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Agreed. It's your bed, she's the guest. You crawl into bed, like your normal routine. Don't cuddle up to her or anything. She's an inconvenience at best. Let her decide to cuddle up to you, or evacuate the room. But don't step out of normal routine. If you want to be extra careful I suppose you could build a blanket barrier. If she's under the sheets, you sleep on top. (or vice versa). But I wouldn't really bother with this step personally.
/r/seduction07/01/11 03:41 AM
3

Pick a location, pick a time and a place. tell her to come along. it's not hard. "I'm going for drinks, thursday night at the bar, you should come too, it'll be fun."
/r/seduction23/11/10 03:57 AM
1

not enough attraction. She was pretty walled off at my first attempts to escalate, then we got into some great conversation that i got wrapped up in and missed a bunch of chances to try, by the time I realized I had dropped the ball and I started to escalate again, the walls were gone, but so was the time, she had to go. I wouldn't be surprised to be LJBF. I'd write the whole thing off as a failed attempt, but she keeps suggesting we do it again sometime. Most flakes I've dealt with don't volunt…
/r/seduction23/11/10 03:46 AM
1

Face to face I already feel like I'm relying too much on kino to escalate. I still get those moments of "ummmm.... yeah..." as I Search my brain for the next topic of conversation. Face to face I can still do situational observations to spark random conversations. at home in my room I don't really have much to work with... "ummmm...yeah... there's a ceiling above my head... it keeps the sky out..." I'm also in my late 20's which feels like it's in the cusp between reliance on text/social media O…
/r/seduction23/11/10 03:32 AM
1

I've landed myself in this scenario before and I know how to recognize it and walk away, but this doesn't seam to fit the feel of that at all.
/r/seduction23/11/10 12:32 AM
1

Some good points here. After giving it some thought, the main reason I'm texting is... I hate talking on the phone. With new people especially, it always feels awkward. My conversations come off as rigid and forced. And answering machines, I've really got no clue how to say "call me back" to a stranger with out sounding needy/desperate. A text is far more relaxed/casual, I'm much better at making them flirty/playful. Many of the topics in sreddit cover text messages, but they don't discuss phone…
/r/seduction22/11/10 11:54 PM
1

Not really, I seam to lose text messages from people all the time. Certain cell phone providers seam to be unreliable with their text messaging services, and i'm not sure what network shes on. It's possible, but i'm not going to hold my breath. Normally I'd have Just moved on but each time I contact her she follows up with "we had fun, let's do it again". Type messages, without my having to fish for them, so I'm taking that as an ioi and following up. Last text was Saturday, I'd initially tried …
/r/seduction22/11/10 11:07 PM
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Really? Girls like that come off as needy attention seekers in my mind. Its a bit if a turn off for me when I add a girl and find she has 500+ friends. It's easy for me to understand why a girl might think the same of me if I was adding everyone I met too.
/r/seduction22/11/10 08:41 PM
2

Your initial post comes off as condescending and judgmental. This is why your getting a strong knee-jerk reaction from people here. Its not a matter of any one feeling insecure. They're being attacked. Go take a good look at your initial post and try to consider why people might be responding this way. You need to work on your communication skills.
/r/seduction22/11/10 08:20 PM
2

There's nothing wrong with PUA in general. The whole Idea is: Teaching people to be self confident. teaching people how to tell if a girl is actually interested. teaching people how to build interest gradually. Lets face it. most people try too hard. The dating world is not a place where we get feedback. It's not like you can just ask a girl why she's shooting you down and expect to get any sort of answer other than "your just not my type" yeah, we have some real douchebags in this subreddit, bu…
/r/seduction22/11/10 04:46 PM
3

Your meeting people in the wrong crowd. That is all. In a lot of ways I feel I think a lot like you. Fart jokes are a personal peeve, I'm condescending towards sports fans, and I crave a good debate over politics or religion. As far as politics is concerned, for many people (especially hipsters) It IS just a thing. Are you actively involved somehow? Or is it just something you bitch about over your caramel latte? Stop going to the same locations to meet people. Try new activities, meet new socia…
/r/seduction20/11/10 01:07 AM
1

that's the point of a good opener though. If you catch them off guard by making them think a little, they don't get to use their automated responses to wall you off.
/r/seduction19/11/10 05:09 PM
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the point is to get her interacting with you. To begin a conversation that you can build off of. "hello" is not your opener because it generates the same blank response every time. (she say's hello back.) If you don't follow it up with something immediately, the conversation instantly dies and it can be just as bad as if your staring at her and not saying anything. The first thing you say AFTER saying hello is actually what your opener is. (crazy weather eh? bla blah blah) When discussing opener…
/r/seduction19/11/10 04:37 PM
3

"just say hi" only works if you know what your going to follow it up with. Otherwise you get a really awkward and creepy silence. My problem with the OP's first opener isn't whether they mistake him for gay or not, it's that it has the undertones that he is insecure in his sexuality. I wouldn't use this one. The second one, while makes for a good opener, claiming the girl who likes you is here/pointing her out could be cock blocking you. While it might spark rivalry amongst girls. There's also t…
/r/seduction19/11/10 03:26 AM
2

The problem with meeting the nerdy girls is, a lot of them are social recluses. They don't go out meeting new people, they have their tight knit circle of friends and they don't like to step out of that. Or they're the exact opposite, but stick to nerdy guys largely because they like to be the center of attention, the queen bee at the heart of the swarm at the comic shop. These ones can be found at fetish parties, concerts and raves.
/r/seduction16/11/10 08:55 AM
2

"I have a boyfriend. " "You say it like it's a disease, is it serious? " "Is it contagious?"
/r/seduction16/11/10 04:16 AM
2

I tend to over analyze and be too cautious. That's probably coming out in my reaction to this. Go with what the others are saying. Worst case scenario is she thinks your life is a flurry of adventure and excitement. :P
/r/seduction15/11/10 05:24 AM
1

Yeesh, excellent opportunity, but way too soon.
/r/seduction15/11/10 03:53 AM
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I'm not necessarily an expert or anything, but I would try a. "hey, I'm going to (concert/bar/whatever) on Wednesday, you should come too, it'll be fun." text. It's less of a needy "I want to see you". And more of a, "this is happening, you don't want to miss out!". Edit: I do agree with the others. It's too soon to cave. Try contact around Tuesday/wednesday.
/r/seduction15/11/10 03:46 AM
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It's no secret that the scale slides rather drastically from people who are trying to develop positive self improvement and people who don't care who they have to step on to get some action. While I agree that it is unfortunate.... I don't see your point. :P Is the only difference between a pickup artist and a "natural" like you is that we're aware of what we're trying to do while you just sort of blissfully fumble through it?
/r/seduction15/11/10 02:29 AM
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I'm finding, the more I try day game, the more important it is to place time constraints. "Hey, I've only got a minute but...." is very important.
/r/seduction12/11/10 10:36 PM
1

wow, this even creeps me out. Edit: oh wait, I misread your post, I thought you were saying to run up behind her tap her on the shoulder, then take her by the arm. :P
/r/seduction12/11/10 10:31 PM
4

make eye contact, step in front of her, smile as she's approaching and ask if she knows how to get to (some random but well known location that seams to be in the direction she's going) now you have an excuse to turn around and walk alongside of her, and chat her up as you both walk.
/r/seduction12/11/10 10:30 PM
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This could work to your advantage if you re-work it a little. You need to redirect this laugh into a playful smile. Like you find something funny but in a dirty way, so your not going to share. Make your laugh a mysterious thing. So she isn't quite sure if your laughing at her dumb joke or if your laughing at her for telling such a dumb joke. Sig is right though, this Is a bad habit. You shouldn't be laughing this much anymore than you should be biting your nails or picking your nose.
/r/seduction12/11/10 03:20 AM
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This, right here is your best chance at redemption. It throws her off. She's walling up completely and preparing to shut you down once you show interest. If you toss this curveball at her she's going be left with a WTF floating above her head and she'll think its over and open herself up to getting to know you.
/r/seduction12/11/10 03:10 AM
1

To elaborate on why this is. If you stonewall a girl by always being nice to her and providing for her, you severely limit her ability to do the same for you. The relationship becomes one sided. You need to give her a chance to care for you too, to demonstrate to each other you can each support each other emotionally. If she can't do that (because you never let her). You'll either grow to resent each other, or grow unsatisfied with the relationship.
/r/seduction11/11/10 08:48 PM
2

You don't need to have a raging hard on in order to communicate desire or lust. It's a form of play. (which is why we call it a game). Relationships are about communication and an important part of that is making your partner feel desired. It's not enough to just say it, a true connection comes when you can make her feel it. When we're playing the game we're doing two things. We're communicating that emotion in a way that makes our partners feel that connection and we're giving our partners a ch…
/r/seduction11/11/10 08:12 PM
1

the point system is arbitrary according to personal tastes, there is no standard chart to reference. What you might consider an 8, I might consider a 6, and vice versa. It's a lot more to do with what's in our heads than anything. While there is definitely a tier system where you start getting into girls who see a lot of men fawning over them trying to spark a discussion on what actually classifies a 6, 7 or an 8 will just result in a great deal of subjective responses. It's like asking who's be…
/r/seduction11/11/10 09:28 AM
1

I don't blame you, that's a pretty tall request, but it IS also a possibility. I have trouble taking advice on my appearance from people. If anybody says something nice, I don't trust that it's honest, I think they're just saying it to be nice and that they wouldn't actually tell me if there was something wrong. If they mention something they don't like i tell myself oh that's just their personal opinion, I'm sure not everybody would think that. How I address my physical appearance is by making …
/r/seduction10/11/10 07:12 AM
1

the key is to aim for an emotional response. there's polite conversation smiles and then there's laughing so hard she squeeks or telling such an engaging story she's on the edge of her seat. A huge mistake people make is making a conversation feel like an interview. Name? yuhuh... place of birth? ...that's good... Hobbies and interests... yeah me too... not exactly a great conversation there's nothing wrong with name dropping the lead singer, especially if you can tell an interesting story about…
/r/seduction10/11/10 06:52 AM
1

This, here. DO THIS! I'm the introverted bookish computer nerd who turned up his nose at this stuff for years. I thought I was better than it, or didn't need it. It just wasn't my thing. but once I gave it a fair shake, I started to notice how much better I could look. which boosted my confidence, and made me want to display it more, causing me to be more aware of my body language as well as my fashion. Just going to the gym, (and taking my time there seriously) did a lot to turn my game around,…
/r/seduction10/11/10 06:31 AM
1

Do you play basketball? "Actually, I'm a jockey. True story"
/r/seduction10/11/10 05:25 AM
2

if your quick on your feet? "hey, I'll bet you can't spell your name backwards"
/r/seduction10/11/10 05:22 AM
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Yeah it sounds like you've just got to get used to talking to strangers first. Talk to every one. If it's easier for you, start by talking to the guys. Don't get caught up with huge conversations with them, Just tell a few jokes and move on, your practicing your conversation starters, not making lifelong buddies. This also gives you people to nod to, or chat with briefly or high five as you make your rounds around the bar. If people see you doing this with a lot of people it builds your cred in …
/r/seduction10/11/10 05:10 AM
1

it's alright, we wouldn't notice your look of discontent either. ;)
/r/seduction10/11/10 04:37 AM
1

we get it all the time. it's actually a pet peeve amongst tall people. Saying thank you isn't often the first response... except for the more social of us, who are trying to be polite. The problem with just saying thank you is, it can end the conversation. they usually have nothing after that, this was your opportunity to engage them back and you walled them off. (well actually they'll then respond with, "do you play basketball?" in which case you might say "no" Then if they're really really try…
/r/seduction10/11/10 04:26 AM
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"Maybe, but we're the same height lying down." "Wow! you have breasts! Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were playing that game where we each state an obvious thing that we like about the other person. Mine counts as two by the way, you better catch up." "yes I'm very tall, I don't play basketball, and no you can't climb me so don't ask... okay, well maybe if your good." also, you used cute twice in your pickup line, it's a little repetitive, it doesn't flow well.
/r/seduction10/11/10 04:20 AM
1

there are plenty of girls out there who know they aren't in a position to be looking for something long term right now. Maybe they're traveling, or still in college, or just want to be free to shop around a little before they decide to settle down. There are even girls who go out specifically looking for that one night stand. I see nothing wrong with having a fling, but if I decide that's all I'm looking for, I won't try to deceive the other person into thinking it's anything more. Some people a…
/r/seduction10/11/10 04:12 AM
1

I'm not seeing anything productive from the previous comments. I hate to admit it but You might just be another notch in the bedpost.
/r/seduction09/11/10 10:00 AM
1

I read the synopsis on the wikipage about it. I got about 5 rules in and started thinking of girls who I dated who seamed to follow them... and how batshit crazy they were. (in my experience it's always been the bleach blond, tanned until they're orange, carrying their dogs around in their purse, types) Rule 31 on the list only confirms my theory. :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rules
/r/seduction08/11/10 09:09 AM
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Sure there are guys who use it to cheat on their SO's. There are also guys who are learning it because, the next time they meet a girl that knocks their socks off, they want to be able to return the favor. I think it's too easy for guys to get caught up in it and get stuck on the adventure of meeting new people each weekend. It's not fair to lump all of us into the "he just wants to sleep around" category. Some of us are doing this because we're seeking something more tangible.
/r/seduction08/11/10 09:03 AM
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also, NEVER approach from behind unless you can't avoid it. Hell if you know her name, call it out, let her turn around, and then approach. Let her see you coming. Also, try to hold eye contact for a second or two before you start talking. It sounds like you over analyzed and flustered yourself before you began.
/r/seduction22/10/10 12:44 AM
2

Forget this girl. Talk to EVERY other girl in your class, and most of the guys too. You need to work on just chatting with strangers so it feels natural.
/r/seduction22/10/10 12:35 AM
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hah, no thanks man. sex is kinda boring when your partner isn't able to make you feel it when her toes curl. ;)
/r/seduction20/10/10 05:25 PM
1

you've never heard of "too much of a good thing?" Your attention is far more precious and meaningful if she can attach reasoning to it. you bought her dinner tonight, wow that's great! She's going to want to return the favor somehow. you bought her dinner EVERY night. umm, yeah, good for you... she got tired of returning the favor years ago. Now she's pushing the boundaries to see what she has to do to get you to stop buying her dinner.
/r/seduction20/10/10 06:09 AM
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okay more seriously. Tall girls are self conscious about their height. if you don't have confidence when you approach them, they start to think your intimidated by them. If you make a big deal about the height difference you run two risks. either you hit a nerve that goes deeper than a simple neg, or they start to think your into some freak kink, and that makes them the freak. Just be confident and don't linger on the subject too long. it's okay to hit her with a height neg once in a while, but …
/r/seduction20/10/10 05:53 AM
1

Really? At 6'6 have trouble dating girls under 5 10.
/r/seduction20/10/10 03:13 AM
2

yeah, Now that you mention it. When I'm with a girl I actually want to keep, I think I display all the excitement levels of a child on Christmas morning. I wouldn't say it comes off as too eager or creepy, but it's deffinitely friend energy instead of sexy energy.
/r/seduction20/10/10 02:49 AM
2

your absolutely right. Which is exactly what I'm trying to do. Just approaching random girls I had to rely on routines for a while until I got comfortable with it, then I was able to do it more naturally. so I'm trying to do the same in conversations but with a new person, the conversation always lands in the interrogation realm. The only routines I know are ones I picked up on while reading the game and the first 3 or 4 times I tried them out, I got a "harrumphed" face shortly followed by polit…
/r/seduction19/10/10 04:20 PM
3

this is where I keep struggling. I can make a girl laugh and smile and have a good time. but it's the sort of conversations that lands me in the friend zone. every time. I've started trying to develop my kino, and it seams to be working in the clubs where people are already sexually charged and raring to go, but I can't seam to establish a flirty rapport. If I could just get the ball rolling on that and practice in clubs until I'm comfortable with it, maybe I can start introducing it with girls …
/r/seduction19/10/10 03:55 PM
1

try the one day approach for a little while, see how that feels. For me I always feel like I'm coming off needy when I call the next day, i get the sense that there's a "didn't I just see you yesterday" tone in their voice. I can't tell if this is my own impressions I'm projecting on the girl or if it's actually there though. I'm most comfortable with 2 days. (i've heard a lot that 3 days is actually better, but I find, with 3 days I start looking forward to the call too much and Its a bit of a …
/r/seduction19/10/10 09:29 AM
1

yeah. I'm in this strange situation where I don't have any friends I can take out with me as wingmen. some of them are just the stuck up "higher moral ground types" who don't understand seduction, the others, I can't really pull away from their nightly warcraft raids to do anything anymore anyways. I've tried getting together with people online to go sarging with. but I think there needs to be a level of connection with your wingman too or your not going to be at ease. (the guys I met radiated s…
/r/seduction19/10/10 09:21 AM
1

i agree that the best course of action is to keep looking elsewhere. if your determined. then the best way is to try to get your roomy to introduce you. (as already discussed) have you just dropped hints with him? or have you just come out and told him. "dude! she's hot! hook me up!" the other way is to get some strong banter going on on your friends wall. I've made friends over facebook this way. (generally where me and the interest wind up jokingly bashing the mutual friend together. "great ha…
/r/seduction19/10/10 09:10 AM
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