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Sure but you see far more below average men with more attractive partners than vise versa. I RARELY see couples both in public and with friends that are paired up where the man is hotter than his gf / wife
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:43 AM
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I’ve honestly never seen this. There’s a reason why there are female oriented subs where women discuss how they can looksmaxx and elevate their appearances. If all unattractive women believed they were 10’s those subs would not exist
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:41 AM
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Aaaand there’s our answer lol. When men talk about women they only consider what the attractive ones are doing. So when they say things like “most women won’t even consider you if you’re under 6’ 0” of course they’re talking about women that are 7’s and up, which aren’t “most women” lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:39 AM
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“Most women wouldn’t even consider someone under 6’” this is absolutely not true. Been outside lately?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:28 AM
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I don’t agree with your statement that average men are objectively unattractive. Average for both men and women means neutral
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:41 AM
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This is a gross generalization but also, I would say the issue lies with the fact that men frequently abuse and abandon their wives rather than any sort of issue with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:39 AM
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I think both genders can be bad at assessing their value and I’m not trying to argue that women don’t do this at all but just based on what I’ve seen there are way more women dating men that are objectively less attractive than them, than vise versa. What does this tell us
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:37 AM
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This happens so often. I’ve seen it happen in my own social circles as well. Men that are pretty average, maybe slightly above due to having a nice job thinking they deserve 10/10 baddies that look like Cassie lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:36 AM
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Women learn pretty early on what their dating pool actually is. You seem to completely disregard that women experience bullying for their looks from both men and women basically for most of their lives often starting as early as elementary school. I’m sure there are some women out there that are 2’s who are delusional enough to think they “deserve” a CEO Chad God, but most women aren’t like this. Women mainly want commitment. A lot of us don’t want the guy that looks like a model because we know…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:31 AM
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Most men don’t have “zero options”. Women aren’t going on about a loneliness crisis because women are actually comfortable being alone. Women have hobbies and immerse themselves into their communities and cherish friendships. There’s a reason why subs like passport “bro’s” exist. Men are uncomfortable with being alone to the point where they will pay for a bride while women are okay with being alone if they don’t find someone suitable. I didn’t say ALL men are being too picky. I’m saying the men…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:21 AM
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Sure. They’re outliers but once you add them up they do make up a pretty significant portion. Not as large as the average group, but still significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:17 AM
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Based on what many people can observe in the streets, at least looks wise it’s women that tend to date down and not vise versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:10 AM
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Why don’t you send me studies to counter my beliefs? If I have to, you have to as well Just because there aren’t more studies doesn’t mean that the OK Cupid study isn’t garbage. Do you know anything about studies? Why don’t you tell me why it’s so great and why we should treat it as the gospel? I know that women get more matches than men based on the amount of complaining men do online daily. They make it pretty clear. I’m not sure why you’re being this aggressive and purposely daft lol. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 05:03 AM
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Vetting out a lot of people is not a luxury. I think you’re actually overestimating just how much the average woman has to vet out. If anything I think the luxury is not having to vet anyone out. At the same time if women are more desirable, then this comes at the fault of men and men only.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:56 AM
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Women aren’t constantly having their DM’s filled with men. Maybe the 9’s and 10’s but this is not the experience of an average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:54 AM
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Very tall women are just as unlucky as very short men. Deviating from average on an end is a short coming. You started the conversation and brought up attractiveness by saying that if Ariana Grande was a man she would be seen as a creep
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:32 AM
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There is an element of female selectivity but it’s not the same as men’s Women may be selective because they have far more to lose. Women are FAR more likely to be the victim of domestic abuse than men. Women are more likely to be abandoned by a partner and end up having to care for their children as a single parent. Women are the ones who are stuck with pregnancy and having to grow a life inside of them for 9 months, not men. Not to mention that with dating apps there are way more many men on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:24 AM
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I would say most women have pretty realistic standard too. When you look at couples in real life, most are appropriately matched. If anything usually the woman is more attractive by quite a bit. I’m talking specifically about the men who are online in these spaces complaining about how hard dating is. Not the ones who are actually landing dates because they have realistic standards
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:20 AM
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I wouldn’t call it a tiny subset. There are plenty of 2’s, 3’s and 4’s out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:18 AM
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Most men aren’t going after women that are 6’ 5” when he average height of a man is 5’ 7”. Men prefer softer features rather than masculine ones. Bella Hadid does not have masculine features! At the same time when there are lists of women that men find very attractive Bella isn’t usually on there. It’s more like Scarlett Johansson, Emma Watson, Margo Robbie,
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:17 AM
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This post is about men that are 2-4 thinking they are 6’s and 7’s and wanting women that are slightly above average
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:13 AM
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I don’t disagree that there are women that also are guilty of this (being below average and not willing to date in the same league) I think for women the risks of dating are higher - unwanted pregnancy, physical assault, men being the gender that are more likely to cheat and abandon their partners - therefore it makes sense why women may be a bit more selective than men but I think my point does still stand and there is a large number of below average men who rate themselves higher than they act…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:12 AM
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Doesn’t stop those delulu men from creeping on 9’s and 10’s instead of aiming for 4’s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:08 AM
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Well if they were genetically men they probably would look much different so this comment makes zero sense If Joe Manganiello at 6’ 5” was a woman with the same hyper masculine features he wouldn’t be desirable as a woman either
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:07 AM
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Why do you think that just because a woman has 100’s of likes that all of those actually translate to someone she would be interested i meeeting up with?? Men swipe yes on EVERYONE and then filter it out. Let’s take a woman’s matches and walk through it. You received 50 likes. Maybe roughly 20 of those likes are someone you are interested in. 10 of those 20 probably won’t initiate a conversation, won’t reply, will ghost, etc. You’re left with 10 guys who are interested in setting up a date. You’…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:47 AM
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What women actually want Tall - basically just be average height. Any deviation from any average will make you a less desirable partner. The average height for a male in the US is 5’ 9”. The average woman is 5’ 4” so there’s a lot of flexibility for you to be a but shorter than 5’ 9” while still being taller than your partner Good career - yes just make a decent living to where you can at least take care of yourself and have a savings account Fit - just don’t be overweight Social, charming, conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:19 AM
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Playing field is uneven for what? For casual sex? Maybe provide actual examples if you’re going to say things are a fact. What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:12 AM
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For the very first date, especially with online dating there’s nothing wrong with something cheap and simple. A first date is just to establish that you’re attracted to one another, that you vibe well, etc. I think I would have higher expectations for a date if someone that I’ve already met in person asked me out. For example if I met a friend of a friend at a house party and he said “let me take you out” in that case I think it would be nice to do something nicer like a dinner, or drinks somewh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:43 PM
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If you can’t handle a baddie don’t date a baddie. There are plenty of women who like to dress more conservative. Women don’t buy clothes based on their relationship status - they buy things that they think they look nice in. Not everything is done for the male gaze.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:29 AM
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Most guys honestly aren’t even that ugly tbh. Most guys are pretty average in looks, just like women. Women have just had it mentally engrained in them that they need to do a ton for their looks, nails done, hair done, expensive procedures to have nice skin, teeth, etc. smell good, be fit. Meanwhile men don’t put nearly the same effort in and expect to bag 10/10 baddies while looking and smelling like Shrek from the swamp
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:18 AM
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Women basically have to be more selective than men. We are the ones who are expected to drop our careers for child care so of course women look for a partner with a good job. Women analyze someone’s entire profile rather than just the first picture to ensure someone is at the lowest possible threshold of someone they’d have sex with. Women have much more on the line to lose with a bad partner than men do. Most violent crimes are committed by men. Statistically speaking women are less likely to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:16 AM
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THANK YOU! Quite honestly I’m tired of people referencing this one study when they haven’t even read the actual study and stats. Plus, men will literally swipe yes on everyone and then later filter out women they might be down to have sex with. Women swipe through apps in a totally different way. From the start they’re analyzing the entire profile, looks, career, photos (do they look like they have a normal social life with hobbies) and swiping yes only on guys that appear like they’d make a goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:13 AM
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This post is weird because you assume the majority of women who have male friends that are 1.) Single 2.) Straight A lot of my male friends are either in relationships, or gay. Or, hear me out, we just have mutual interests but no romantic feelings towards one another - similar to female friendships. I think the red flag is men who think there is no such thing as a friendship without potential sexual perks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 02:53 AM
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This is pretty true. I’m not super picky irl but dating online is very hard because while some men look ok in the face department, they have terrible pictures and something small will give me the ick (like a dirty mirror or someone taking selfies in a public bathroom) lol. Ive found that a lot of men are just much more attractive in real life and in person. I remember seeing a guy on hinge and was like meh, but then I saw him on my bus in my neighborhood and he was so much more attractive in per…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:02 AM
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Definitely. I think that approaching someone outside of your league makes it seem like you don’t understand social cues or your social ranking so if I approached a guy and they rejected me in a way it would make me feel like I overestimated my attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 04:42 AM
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Once a cheater always a cheater. I wouldn’t forgive them and I think I’d have more respect for a partner that told me they want to have an open relationship or sleep with others rather than going behind my back. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 05:56 AM
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Where are you getting these numbers though? Like why are you assuming 1-3 accounts for 20% and 7-10 is 20% of the population? It’s super random Putting the “gaps” at 10% doesn’t make sense because a gap doesn’t mean anything and you literally just allocated 10% by random based on personal opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 10:34 PM
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No, I never said those percentages where are you even getting those numbers from? Seems random
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:40 PM
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A 3.5 is NOT average lol. Do you know what average looks like? Average is inoffensive, not ugly but not particularly striking or pretty. Most people we see on a day to day basis are in this category. A 3 is someone SIGNIFICANTLY below average, very likely with some sort of physical defect. Your rating system doesn’t make much sense. A 7 is a rating for someone who could be a model. Most ratings for objective looks don’t operate on the scale you made up here
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:21 PM
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A 5 is average. Below a 5 is ugly. Most people in day to day life aren’t super ugly nor super hot. 5 is a fair rating for average, anything above a 5 is above average and anything below a 5 is below average. Your rating system makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:19 PM
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I didn’t say they’re 8’s and 9’s though? I said they’re all around average, slightly above average so around a 5-6
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:18 PM
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Sure it is. Women get shamed all the time for being inexperienced once you reach a certain age. Especially since “sex is so easy” for women many experience deep shame for still being a virgin at a certain point
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:32 PM
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That’s not how averages work. The majority of people aren’t ugly, they’re normal looking and maybe slightly overweight. The majority are roughly 4-5’s, right in the middle of 1-10
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:31 PM
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No I actually don’t know which one you’re referring to. 3 is significantly below average and I don’t think any of these women are at that level. Again, 7 isn’t average. Average is maybe a 4-5. A 7 is very attractive. Most of these women are not below average at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:30 PM
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Why do you think only men lie about being virgins?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:15 PM
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“These women are completely average” - gives rating between 3/10 (very below average) and 8 /10 (very above average) Op idk where you live but the majority of the women in this video are above average in looks. Neither an 8 or a 3 is “average”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:51 PM
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Have you ever spent time around very good looking but extremely DULL people where you can tell they’ve just coasted by on looks alone for the majority of their lives? Not every very attractive person is like this of course but some of them are outright awful people So yes, in some cases a cool funny personality will make you a more desirable person. If you are significantly below average, like a 2 yes your personality probably won’t get you extremely far but it does make a difference to an exten…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 01:28 AM
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I suggest you read this You guys love citing this study that was extremely biased and poorly conducted
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 04:13 PM
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Women are more accurate. Men are just extremely thirsty and have low standards because time and time again you have all said that you’re just looking for sex on these apps. Women aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:38 PM
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Sure, never said anything about them not being used
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:37 PM
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My own anecdotal experience isn’t reflective on society as a whole. It’s funny that you guys will use this phrase but only in your favor
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:37 PM
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You can’t judge someone’s health by if they are overweight. Obese, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:32 PM
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I don’t wanna fuck Ryan Reynolds
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:31 PM
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What’s up with the memes here from men and hating overweight or obese women when statistically there are more overweight men than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:20 AM
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This is very accurate and from what I’ve observed even the ugly frat guys put themselves on a pedestal just for being associated with the frat
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:43 AM
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Lol you don’t have to do anything but you did make the decision to comment on my post 🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:35 AM
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If you want people to read your long paragraphs I suggest breaking it up otherwise it looks like A rant and I can guarantee that most aren’t going to bother to read it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:13 AM
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Some fat guys are considered hot in a hot dad bod, funny fat friend way
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:12 AM
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This isn’t true. There is a very smart % of highly attractive guys, we can’t all be dating them as long term partners at once
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:11 AM
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The reality is that average guys are appropriately paired off in real life. The majority of men here and also on dating apps are below average especially the ones saying they don’t get a single match ever. At that point you’re definitely just way below average
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:04 AM
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I’m not under the impression that attractive men won’t fuck down I just know they’re not going as low as some of you guys here think
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:37 AM
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I never said it was impossible? I’ve had plenty of unsuccessful dates, I’ve been rejected, all that stuff. I don’t really count that as “issues” it’s just how dating tends to be. I think men here are just delusional and think that any woman can get any guy she sets her eyes on as long as she’s not overweight and that’s just not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:36 AM
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I honestly see more mid guy / attractive gf couples than the other way around but understandably this may vary depending on where you live
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:31 AM
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This is valid. People are only human and as a female I totally recognize that approaching people or initiating a conversation with someone isn’t easy and at least on my end I definitely appreciate it when people initiate conversations in real life but remain respectful because it takes a lot of effort to put yourself out there like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:26 AM
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Apps kinda suck all around. Most of my female friends who are in successful relationships ended up finding partners in real life because online dating isn’t ideal for anyone outside of the 10/10 dude who just wants a booty call.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:23 AM
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Men basically tell on themselves when they say they’ll screw anything as long as they are given the opportunity. Would you want to have endless options with unattractive women for sex with the caveat that you never have an orgasm? I’d bet you’d quickly change your tune about how great it is to have these endless options.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:22 AM
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I’ve literally gone out with my guy friends and they get approached by women all night long. Lol. I’ve been with female friends who also approached guys at bars. I’ve personally had situations where I’ve had matches on dating apps and I’ve initiated the conversations. Laugh away, again just because this isn’t happening to you doesn’t mean it’s not happening at all
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:19 AM
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Wait so if 9/10’s can stoop down to banging 5’s and 4’s why aren’t the average men on here regularly getting laid and not stopping down to banging the 1’s and 2’s? Something in the milk ain’t clean
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:14 AM
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This! I think with tinder it’s like 80% Male and 20% female or something close to that. Plus there could be a number of reasons why women on average are a bit pickier than men on dating apps. Not even because of how “hot” someone is but there is a high # of men with terrible photos who look generally fine but give off a very creepy/antisocial vibe. As a woman you do have your guard up since you’re more likely to be a victim of some sort of assault
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:11 AM
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Where are you seeing these plenty of handsome men with mid women examples cause I sure am not coming across these virtually anywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:59 AM
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It’s almost like women can talk to other women and communicate their struggles to other people! Shocking, right!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:56 AM
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Someone has clearly never watched 90 Day Fiancé. Women are also able to find partners from abroad so this isn’t the gotcha that you think it is. Also I think it’s pretty sad to poke fun at this - having to go to a poor country and find a woman there that you know will say yes to you only because she’s desperate to come to the states that you’re basically taking advantage of and only because the women in your home country don’t find you desirable. I’d personally be pretty embarrassed to admit thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:49 AM
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I’m pretty sure women know better about other women than men do, but you’re allowed to have whatever opinion you please
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:24 AM
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What makes it rational? I didn’t say they’re all below average but clearly a large # of them are. Men on here love to harp about obese women but did you know that there are more overweight men than women? 1/3 men are overweight while 1/4 women are overweight Statistics also show that women have much better oral health than men, and I’m sure that would directly translate to other type of hygiene as well
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:23 AM
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But again - I never said it’s impossible for average women, I’m just saying it’s not as easy as men make it out to be here. I’m not saying ugly men don’t struggle, both can be true at once
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:17 AM
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What rule? 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:14 AM
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Do you have evidence to argue that the majority of men on dating apps are actually average?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:07 AM
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It doesn’t mean there haven’t been failures either?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:06 AM
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Maybe it’s just that the majority of men using dating apps are below average, have you considered that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:05 AM
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Why do women have to consider below average men but men don’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:04 AM
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This is a general post, not necessarily about any personal struggles
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:02 AM
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Mid = average. A 5 is mid, maybe slightly below that if we account for the fact that over half the country (USA) is overweight and people here agree overweight = below average. Based on this I don’t think a 6 is mid. 6 is above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:58 PM
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I don’t disagree with this. I feel like the slightly above average category of both genders is where people tend to have the most distorted view of their own attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:47 PM
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I don’t disagree with this
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:43 PM
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If men are as thirsty as they say why not expand your horizons to quench the thirst a bit more? If that’s all that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:42 PM
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I never said it was an immense struggle I just said it’s not as easy as it’s perceived to be
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:41 PM
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I’ve been at bars with my guy friends and literally seen several girls approaching them over the course of an night but ok 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:37 PM
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I mean, do you want to settle? Does anyone? Everyone wants a good partner, men do too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:36 PM
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Maybe so but I’m simply explaining the reasoning behind those numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:35 PM
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Well maybe men should try swiping on the other 50% of women and see where that gets them since they are who make up the majorly of the complaining on this sub about not being able to find a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:34 PM
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The point is that men massively over estimate the access average women have to very high value men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:33 PM
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I can see how this statement could be perceived as a contradiction. What I mean is at the end of the day there are a lot of women who desire a committed relationship. Realistically speaking a lot of these women recognize that there are guys out there who are very highly valued when and those men receive a lot of attention hence the apprehension to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:31 PM
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This is assuming these numbers are accurate and not totally made up lol which, they are. You do realize you’re assuming the majority of women that are average don’t want commitment which is a huge reach
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:19 PM
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There are skinny people who aren’t at a healthy weight, and people who aren’t skinny who are perfectly healthy. Please spare us the “healthy weight” thing when all you mean is you want someone that’s thin rather than the latter
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:18 PM
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Let me guess, you’re a man who thinks they know better than a woman. You’re just so smart and superior and have us all figured out right, we are dumb and not socially aware, even when we are the ones living in our bodies
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:13 PM
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It’s not about not being able to find a relationship at all though, did you even read my post or did you just want to rant?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:11 PM
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Women go for 20% of men on tinder because there’s a massive amount of men on dating apps with terrible photos or those that look like creeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:09 PM
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Sure I have! I’ve had plenty of men reciprocate my feelings and have been in relationships with men I find very attractive and haven’t had to lower my standards at all
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:07 PM
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Except that casual hookups virtually hold no value to women, so me being a 5 hooking up with one 7 who happened to be “dumpster diving” does absolutely nothing for me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:43 PM
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Except this post isn’t about who has it easier, I made this post to highlight that the difference isn’t as much as most men would make it out to be. Also, most women don’t value casual sex nearly as much as men do so whatever little advantages there are doesn’t mean much. If anything it’s pretty degrading to be perceived as enough to be fuckable but not enough to be relationship material. It’s not some sort of trophy that most women value or seek to achieve - even most men here should be smart e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:41 PM
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I neversaid a 3 is considered mid
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:24 PM
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Women don’t easily have 10x the option of men…you can’t include all the thirsty ugly dudes within this category for women if you’re also not keeping the same energy for men. With this logic men have plenty of options to chose from too if you count all the girls that they perceive below their league
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:14 PM
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Most women aren’t looking for just casual sex though. You’re looking at this from a male centric perspective. And again those attractive males have a big pool of attractive women that they can use for casual sex, why would they be seeking out 5’s when they can have 8’s, 9’s and 10’s? If you can have a 6 are you gonna be fucking 1’s and 2’s?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:13 PM
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So if you’re not a Chad, and you’re not also hearing the bragging how do you know that this happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:10 PM
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You’re basically just assuming that no mid women ever put in any effort at all and I can guarantee you that’s not a fact. Women approach men in the right environments all the time, shoot their shot, message guys first. Just because it’s not happening to you doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen at all
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:09 PM
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Sure, but 7’s and 9’s are already very above average. According to most attractiveness scales people within this category are model tier good looking. This post isn’t about that, but I don’t disagree with the notion that it’s easier for a less attractive woman to hook up with a hotter guy. The problem is that most of the time these interactions mean virtually nothing. There’s literally nothing rewarding about 5 minutes of average sex and then to just be ignored after. What really matters is what…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:52 PM
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Men’s strategy for dating apps is to swipe yes on everyone and then filter out who they actually want to talk to after they get a couple of matches. Are there really no women that you see on dating apps and think “gross”? I’m sorry I simply don’t believe that you’re finding the majority of everyone that you see on a dating app attractive enough to wife up
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:47 PM
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Can you clarify what you mean? You think average women don’t struggle with dating at all? Just out of sheer curiosity what is “average” to you if you were to take a celeb example? Make that average and below average
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:44 PM
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I’d bet it’s exactly this. Many men here have expressed the sentiment that being plus sized automatically makes you below average - there are some gorgeous women out there who are plus sized / overweight and still very beautiful and yes some guys like women that are curvier just like some like very thin women, very fit women and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:43 PM
3

This is a very generalized and quite honestly distorted way of thinking. It actually goes quite the opposite way. Woman hooks up with a guy way out of her league, the sex is terrible and he also never calls her again because it was just a one night stand. If the woman is looking for a long term partner there is more incentive to actually AVOID men like that because they know they won’t get anything more out of it than a 5 minute drunken hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:41 PM
9

Most very attractive men very rarely sleep with 5’s. Women tend to also learn their place pretty early in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:38 PM
2

If you’re curious about the experience women have on dating apps and the selections they have I highly encourage you to make a burner profile and see what kind of profiles women are dealing with on the regular. Just because a woman swipes yes on 20% of profiles there’s no data to show what kind of men she’s actually swiping no on. If most of it is trash, it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:37 PM
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How frequently are high SMV dudes having dry spells and having to go dumpster diving though? It’s like men believe that women of any level of attractiveness have access to these Chad gods, but somehow their well of 7+ will run dry and they’ll go for a 3. That just doesn’t really make any sense if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:33 PM
6

Sure there are definitely below average women with partners but that’s not the purpose of this post. The bone I have to pick is with the men who think that even mid / below mid women have endless access to really attractive men. That is simply just not true
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:31 PM
6

You’re overestimating the value of “swipes” on an app. A swipe does not equal a message, a good conversation, a date, a good enough date to turn into multiple dates that turn into a relationship. Most “swipes” remain at just that. Men won’t lower their standards for women they’re not attracted to but believe that women should do the same. I think this is the main thing that men have difficulty grasping.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:29 PM
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Honestly same. I’m pretty average and I aim at average looking men that I’m also attracted to and don’t have any issues. I have male friends who are models and I’ve never felt any romantic draw towards them because i’m regularly around the type of women they bring around (very beautiful - often models as well). I’m not a model and learned my place very early on
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:52 PM
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This isn’t entirely true. There are plenty of guys that are average / slightly above average who think they’re entitled to women way out of their league too - think the Frat Bro type. Most of them are short kings who are average in the face at best but chase after models
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:49 PM
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I’m sorry but this is just false. Really hot girls have NO problem with men. Most of them have never even been on a dating app that’s how easy it is for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:48 PM
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Thank you! Lol. I think a lot of men who struggle to get women and would generally sleep with anything that comes in their direction try to apply their own personal way of thinking to other men and it just doesn’t work that way. I have a lot of male friends who are “Chads” or otherwise very attractive successful men and these guys are insanely picky, even for partners that they just sleep with and they are pretty vocal about who they find “disgusting” (usually normal looking women - not even any…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:35 PM
-1

Trust me as a woman you are also very quickly in your place if you’re in the slightly below average / average range.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:56 PM
3

She’s not objectively extremely ugly, she’s mostly fat that drives down her rating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:52 AM
2

A 1 would be a rating for someone that’s pretty physically deformed. Her face is actually ok looking, she’s just overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:51 AM
1

I’m not saying that weight isn’t important but I don’t think that not being fat gives you that large of a boost, especially if your face doesn’t look great. There are lots of celeb examples where they’re not fat but still below average
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:09 AM
0

Why do you think a woman having a bunch of thirsty men that she’s not attracted to at her disposal is a good thing? Like you do realize most people want to have sex and be in relationships with men that are attractive to them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:19 AM
1

If your face is perfectly average you’re not automatically several points higher just because you’ve overweight, that’s not how it works. You’re still pretty average looks wise. Men’s fixation on obesity is so strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:14 AM
1

Are you not the one that’s doing this though?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:15 AM
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Too late
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:05 AM
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Cope
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:04 AM
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You want a list of why women may be passing up on a guy that in real life looks average - based on the profile? Sure, I can write one out cringey answers to questions creepy vibes off putting photos not having a good career someone not displaying a lifestyle that matches their own conflicting list of hobbies noted In no particular order, these are just some basic examples
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:52 PM
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Lol these are legitimate statistics where men were surveyed and said they’re not interested in romantic relationships. You can’t insert a statistic which I’m guessing you didn’t even read closely to back up your claim, and then backtrack and say you’re gonna rely on hypotheticals. You don’t need to “save face” when it comes to surveys like this which are generally done anonymously.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:49 PM
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The study you linked says roughly 6/10 men are single. Then it proceeds to say exactly this “The majority of single adults are not interested in being struck (or even grazed) by Cupid’s arrow. Among Americans who are single, the largest share – 57% – say they are not currently looking for a relationship or casual dates” And then this ”The percentage of single Americans who are looking for a relationship or casual dates is lower than in 2019, especially among men” Is this not suggesting most men …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:40 PM
1

Which argument exactly are you referencing ?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:34 PM
1

Do you have a link for where you got these numbers? There could be many reasons for why there are more single men than women outside of looks alone. What are the demographics of this statistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:31 PM
0

I would say Paul Dano is slightly above average, very slightly. He has nice facial features. Anna Kendrick yes, I would say average is a solid rating for her. She has nice features too, white straight teeth, her upper area is really nice (eye shape). The lower half of her face (teeth aside) is pretty unattractive. Imo
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:28 PM
1

So you’re basically looking for a TRAD wife yes? What if the woman does the initiating. Covers her portion of the date. Plans the date. Does she no longer have to cook for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:40 PM
2

What is the point of anything 🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:38 PM
1

Well catfish Doesn’t automatically mean a man that’s pretending to be a woman. What Catfish usually means is when someone looks different in person than they do online.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:38 PM
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I wouldn’t date someone that I’m not attracted to just because they had a lot of money. I have an education and a job, I can get money myself. Short is less of an issue but I’m 5’ 4” so it’s rare for a man to be much shorter than me. Annoying, no thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:26 PM
1

I don’t see how and it seems like you’d rather throw out insults rather than having a conversation. Mature!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:24 PM
-1

Ok. So you’re getting attention from women most of them just aren’t the women you want
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:23 PM
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I didn’t say the 9/10 dudes settle down for the 7/6’s that they may hook up with at some point. I said even if the women who do mostly hook up with Chads settle down it’s usually still with someone they find attractive even if they’re not a 9/10 they’re around a 6-7 which is totally fine
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:22 PM
1

Theres a difference between wanting to do a “test drive” before committing vs saying you’re just on the apps for casual sex primarily. I think it’s fine to have sex before committal and that’s reasonable but I think it’s kinda shitty if you know someone wants a committed relationship and you’re just using them for their body. At the end of the day they’re dating apps not hookup apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:21 PM
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I didn’t personally select the people on this list. He looks above average to me honestly but maybe that’s just a good photo. I don’t think that chart is like 100% totally accurate but for the most part I agree with it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:13 PM
1

What do you count as “really make it worth my while”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:11 PM
1

Are you open with women that you’re not looking for anything serious? Not sure what age category you are matching with but most women 25+ tend to date to “settle down”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:09 PM
1

Are you open about just wanting sex or do you match with women that are obviously interested in LTR?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:07 PM
1

Generally speaking it’s REALLY easy to spot heavy filtering
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:06 PM
1

This kinda sounds like you’re looking for any warm body rather than a human being with their own set of interests
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:06 PM
1

Definitely. An app allows you to be more picky, all you have are a few photos and lame questions. In person you get a feeler for someone’s vibe, that person just might not be photogenic, etc. I would say most guys I’ve met with from dating apps have been more attractive in person and “in motion” rather than just judging by a couple of flat photos. That’s just me though
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:04 PM
2

What happens with the 1 or a matches that you get a month? Over the course of a year this is about 24 people. Are these all going nowhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:01 PM
2

I mean, obviously? I don’t see how this is really that relevant because if you’re dating in Manhattan you’re not following Kentucky standards lol. However I grew up somewhere pretty rural and went to college in a major city and then moved to another majority city post grad, and I would say the “small town good looking” people generally tend to do well in bigger cities as well. You’re not going from a 9 to a 2 just because you move from Omaha to Miami. Maybe you’ll go from a 6 to a 5, but this al…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:52 PM
1

Exactly this. Many women have a lot of matches because like you said men just swipe yes on everyone and then filter out who they like once they get a match. I’ve said this to someone else but from my experience on dating apps many men just take awful photos or look otherwise off putting in them so it’s less an indication of their attractiveness and more just that their vibe seems weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:49 PM
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Idk women who hook up with Chads where those 9/10 dudes might be slightly out of their league tend to still settle down with relatively attractive men and are in happy relationships. So who’s really losing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:44 PM
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Honestly maybe they should! Attractive men will never ever stop lowering their standards purely for casual sex though, so this is unlikely to ever happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:28 PM
2

I wouldn’t say it’s entirely subjective down to the T, but for the most part it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:24 PM
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You’re not below average
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:20 PM
1

Dating wise
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:16 PM
1

That’s because most people don’t know how objective ratings really work
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:16 PM
0

Women will literally type out stories like this and men will still refuse to believe it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:15 PM
1

Right because women have never in their life purchased a drink. Be for real
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:14 PM
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A woman doesn’t owe you a yes on your advances just because you worked up the courage to make one. OP isn’t asking how likely it is that women here will say yes, they’re just asking if it’s that bad or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:09 PM
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Just don’t be creepy and try not approaching women in settings where you regularly see them but that aren’t “social environments” like the gym or your daily bus route.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:01 PM
1

Well if you’re linking the data you assume I’m referencing this conversation won’t really go anywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:00 PM
3

“People” would be too vague and could imply one gender over another
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:41 PM
1

Both genders are pretty bad at gauging averages and this is why both genders have unique struggles with dating, as displayed on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:32 PM
1

Honestly yeah I’ve spent time on dating apps and a lot of men take terrible photos. You’d be surprised. One or two likes in a week isn’t that bad. I’d love for you to link these examples that you’re looking at and perceive to be good photos
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:29 PM
2

Prove it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:27 PM
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That’s why I said in the body of my post I give some people the benefit of the doubt because we may just be looking at different images. In more recent photos where she is obese I would definitely agree that she’s below average, mostly from the weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:27 PM
1

Then what is your argument if you agree with me? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:25 PM
2

Yup. But we’re talking about looks, not salaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:23 PM
3

It’s really not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:23 PM
1

What? Haha. I don’t have a problem here. My rating still stands it hasn’t changed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:19 PM
1

For the most part is has stayed the same
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:19 PM
3

come on
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:15 PM
1

For the most part beauty is not subjective and if you really hold this view you probably have very little knowledge about conversional beauty or what makes up a beautiful person or an ugly one
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:09 PM
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Even cities that have a higher number of attractive people still have a pretty large population of very average looking people. If you take LA, most of the super hot people are in very specific areas primarily on the West Side. The rest of the areas have pretty normal distributions of people - appearance wise
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:04 PM
4

Just as likely that those same people would rate her a 5
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:59 PM
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Relatively speaking it’s really not that subjective. Humans are predictable creatures and there are things that both sexes generally perceive as attractive when it comes to physical appearances
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:56 PM
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I mean it’s Reddit I’m not using qualtrics and conducting a legitimate survey here. I’d argue that most of the discussions on this sub are based on “individual examples”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:55 PM
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That statistic doesn’t really mean much honestly. Women could be swiping no on someone for reasons like poor photo quality and weird poses, bad answers on questions and things like that. If a guy is relatively attractive but he took selfies in a dirty mirror and I see white sheets in the background that are stained best believe I’m not swiping “yes” on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:51 PM
-1

That’s not true
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:41 PM
0

Men are frustrated because women can actually fend for themselves, no longer need to rely on a man for shelter and basic needs, and are no longer being forced into marriage at 18 years old with the sole purpose of being someone’s live in maid and caretaker. Standards have increased yes, but the bar was previously in hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:44 PM
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A below average woman would be a 4 and below. Read the title again. Also you are the one that brought up sex without arousal so actually nothing about what you are writing here makes sense nor is it relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:41 PM
2

Let me ask you this. Does a man need to be physically aroused to give a woman oral sex? Or fingering? Or using toys?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:09 PM
2

Most women definitely don’t think like this as far as seeking out the best Chad out of all men on dating apps. It’s not a competition to find “the best” and most women know that “the best” has a lot of options and won’t want to settle down, will lie, and will probably be a trash human being due to an overly inflated value in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:49 PM
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Of course they do. Are you 12?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:36 PM
3

How many ugly male celebs out there getting laid regularly? Or pro athletes?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:24 PM
5

Lizzo is a celeb…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:13 PM
2

I’d bet you cant
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:12 PM
0

I’m a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:11 PM
1

A 6/10 is not average lol. 5 out of 10 is average and the average man is not above that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:16 AM
3

Same is applicable for men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:47 AM
1

It’s not a complaint it’s an observation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:27 AM
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Where am I complaining
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:13 AM
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I’m aware of that. You asked “isn’t a strong jaw a good feature” and I said a jaw isn’t the same as a chin and you sent a picture of someone with a modified chin without context
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:12 AM
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When people say this kinda stuff I’d love to see what you actually look like irl compared to the women you’re aiming for irl. Not as a clap back at you but I’m genuinely curious
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:55 AM
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I mean women also have the “don’t be too tall” along with “don’t be x ethinicty” don’t do this and that. Really any large deviance away from average and you’ll struggle (short males), women who are obese, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:53 AM
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5.5 - above average. Read the side descriptions
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:42 AM
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I mean that’s part of it forsure
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:41 AM
1

How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:35 AM
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No it’s not 💀 the average woman is overweight (assuming you mean in the US). You can’t be a 6+ and overweight
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:22 AM
4

Yes that would be fine with me. After marriage and children come into the question it would be different but if I could keep my personal expenses to what I’m comfortable with I wouldn’t mind the bills being 50/50. If they want something different like an apartment that’s out of my price range then yeah I would say they’d need to pay more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:20 AM
1

She’s appropriately ranked at an 8/10 model tier
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:08 AM
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It’s definitely nice to be valued but I wouldn’t call it a “privilege” nor is being a fuckable item a privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:06 AM
4

It’s a privilege to be seen as a peace of meat that a man can fuck? How? What exactly about that is a privilege What a disgusting comment. Women are more than just a hole
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:02 AM
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Edit: what are these measurements? There’s no clear definition of the flow of the graph. Context would be good
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:59 AM
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I believe that $ is the #1 reason for divorces. I personally wouldn’t feel comfortable being with someone super rich tbh. Unless they were super new money and grew up similarly to me - there’s just too much contrast for that relationship to be successful and I’ve never been keen on riding someone’s coattails in the first place but that’s just me! If my son was a starving artist in their 20’s I’d tell them to go to college, find a decent 9-5 and then pursue their art as a hobby if they enjoy it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:58 AM
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Well quality relationship has more to it than just looks but ok. The point is there are few people that are truly “ugly” so the dating pool is pretty small and that’s why people of both genders have a harder time dating when they are “ugly”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:55 AM
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I wouldn’t say “thousands” and I went to a college that is known for having a really attractive student body but yes there are a lot of attractive women on some college campuses. What’s your point
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:53 AM
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A 7 isn’t an extreme outlier lol. A 10 definitely is. You don’t seem to realize how many good looking men are out there since you’re referencing them as extreme outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:52 AM
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Never heard of anyone saying that but here is a comment saying exactly that from just a couple of hours ago that actually prompted that comment I’m moderately attractive and spent a lot of time in the nightlife scene in my early 20’s. There is a lot of competition in that scene. You might get invited into bottle service for a professional athlete here and there but the women that these men are flying out and spending a ton of $ on are 8’s and up. They’re not balling out on 5’s and 6’s when they …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:45 AM
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Are you reading anything I’m writing? Lol. I already stated, I don’t expect anyone to pay for me BUT if you’re rich AND you’re inviting me to an activity that I’ve told you I cannot afford at all and you INSIST on me going that yes you should offer to pay. Otherwise, I can’t go. This is why i mostly date men within a similar income bracket so we don’t run into this issue. The same goes for men that make significantly less money than me. I wouldn’t date them because chances are they can’t afford …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:37 AM
6

You heavily imply it when you say you haven’t seen it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:34 AM
1

This is a good point. He’s kinda nerdy but I would say a bit above average forsure
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:34 AM
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I didn’t say “if he can’t afford to pay”. I said if I met a wealthy man and he wanted me to participate in activities that I couldn’t afford, I just wouldn’t participate unless he paid for me. Why can’t I just pay? Because I’m a regular person with a regular salary? I can’t afford a 1st class ticket to Turks and Caicos and a week stay at a 5 start resort that would run me 20K for a vacation. What kind of question is that? Lol. It has nothing to do with traditionalism. I’m not requesting anyone t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:30 AM
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Those “sexiest man alive” articles mean nothing. It’s usually some sort of PR for an upcoming / previous role. It’s not like they survey every woman in the world and say hey we determined this random actor is the hottest guy EVER! You surely can’t be serious here lol. And objectively speaking yes the best looking men I see in real life are typical to 7-8’s. Again it’s not an insult considering most people actually fall within the 4-5 range if not lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:25 AM
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Maybe in my very early 20’s. I like to travel, I like good food, I like living in a comfortable environment. If a starving artist can’t live my lifestyle it just wouldn’t work out for the same reason I would date a dude that was significantly more wealthy than me unless he was willing to pay for me if he wanted me to participate in activities with him that I couldn’t afford
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:17 AM
3

There’s no specific look to a woman that’s 30+. You don’t automatically wrinkle up the minute the clock strikes 12 and you go from 29 to 30. I read this story of a woman who was a sex worker that was in her 30’s and she said she lied about her age and no one even knew. There are some women in their 20’s who look like they’re close to 40, and vise versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:15 AM
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Just because you haven’t seen a woman with this problem doesn’t mean they don’t exist. If you see someone that’s alone at the store, you don’t have access to their full dating history
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:12 AM
0

Ethnic women worship white men because of the privilege white men hold, not because of their looks
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:11 AM
3

Whatever makes you feel better
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:10 AM
2

Being a 5 as a man is more than enough. I don’t disagree that being ethic makes dating more challenging especially if you’re in a country where the population is mostly white but this is very relevant and applies to women as well and yes ethnic women exist
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:05 AM
1

What does this have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:04 AM
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You’re putting A LOT of stake into women being able to significantly boost their appearance with makeup. At most it will gain you maybe 1 point and take you from a 5-6. Men can do the same with a beard. Do you have anything else to say about women not being able to argue in good faith when you read something you disagree with? Or are you broken?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:04 AM
3

No one is saying you can buy a full beard in the store. We are comparing methods of altering your appearance which can be achieved both with makeup and facial hair. Why is this such a hard concept to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:01 AM
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Are you even reading the description for a 7? I’m guessing you’re not. A 7 is not a low rating. A 7 is “among the most attractive men seen regularly. May be able to make a living as a model or in other professions based solely on looks…will definitely benefit throughout their career and dating life based on their appearance” it’s essentially model / celeb tier
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:58 AM
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The jaw and the chin aren’t the same thing. Anyways not gonna die on this hill because there are a couple of people on that list I would generally disagree with as far as their placements but for the most part it’s a solid list In real life there isn’t a MASSIVE difference between being slightly below average and average
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:30 AM
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Nah it’s pretty accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:28 AM
2

I didn’t say I’m not placing any value on it, I said I’m not placing an inflated value on it. You sound like an adult, surely you’re able to read? I would revisit my comment and read it a bit more slow this time
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:23 AM
1

Nah they were pretty gross and below average
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:21 AM
5

I think it’s more like you are placing below average men at the average level
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:20 AM
7

If you are a 6/10 man and getting no attention I think it’s safe to assume that there’s something wrong with you outside of your looks
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:19 AM
2

That’s because lots of “normal dudes” are slightly below average 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:18 AM
1

Most met through dating apps but some did meet irl yes which is a method accessible to everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:17 AM
5

Honestly yeah. The 2nd guy looks like he has a bit of an under bite and a crimson chin. Shia LaBouf is actually really good looking
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:14 AM
2

The men there that are threes there are no Higher than 4’s and accurately belong in the below average category
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:11 AM
1

I think It’s extremely accurate if you take away the celebrity halo
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:09 AM
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Male K Pop starts are not the beauty standard For men though. Not in the US at least
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:09 AM
2

If you’re gonna compare her at least compare her to another woman of a similar complexion? When you take a Woman that’s POC and compare her to someone who has Blue Eyes Light Skin and blonde hair that makes you look racist tbh. If you lightened Frieda’s skin, gave her blue eyes and blonde hair she wouldn’t look that much different from Margot Robbie and vise versa
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:08 AM
1

Nah, not true. Most men I’ve known irl that are 4-5’s based on that scale have girlfriends who are 5’s on the female scale, sometimes even higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:07 AM
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There are only like 3 cities in the country where this might be applicable - LA, NYC, Miami. I’ve lived in the suburbs, and I’ve lived in one of the above and visited the other two. You can definitely scale it like that. There are few / no cities in the country where the majority of people are truly ugly in the face. Maybe unkept, homely looking, fat with bad style. But not ugly face card wise
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:05 AM
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Unless you follow these people around 24/7 over the course of many years you’d have no way of knowing this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:00 AM
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This makes zero sense. The # of 10’s in the general population is not the same as the # of 5’s. The chart is pretty accurate if you take away what you know about those celebrities which adds a halo
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:58 AM
0

Randomly? Frieda Pinto is stunning and has nearly perfect features and proportions
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:55 AM
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On the flip side I’ve seen men irl who are pretty repulsive looking with a partner sooo… 🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:51 AM
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Thanks for the honest insight
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:51 AM
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You’re probably lower than a 5 if you’re having that much trouble. Or have weird pictures and give off a creepy vibe https://imgur.io/a/IrLnG
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:49 AM
3

Ugly people have trouble finding relationships just based on numbers. There are less ugly people out there compared to average, so they have a smaller pool of people to chose from. That’s also not what you asked me originally.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:44 AM
3

Where did I say I believe this? I think it’s challenging for both ugly men and women equally
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:41 AM
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That’s up to you!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:37 AM
1

I think that’s kinda the point like a 5- average isn’t a bad place to be!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:37 AM
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https://imgur.com/56dJoqz
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:34 AM
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I would categorize it like this: 1.) ugly / immediate no under no circumstances 2.)just there / no reaction 3.)cute, probably in my league 4.) super attractive, probably a bit out of my league but that can be tested 4.)Extremely hot, super out of my league, won’t even try A 5-7 is probably within the #3 category
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:33 AM
1

Ah touché
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:28 AM
2

A relationship where you enjoy spending time with your partner, they provide support when needed and you trust them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:26 AM
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I follow this scale https://imgur.com/56dJoqz
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:25 AM
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I’m not arguing the existence of 8’s in major cities but a 6-7 on the objective attractiveness scale is pretty good looking so for you to place them beneath “actually attractive” 8+, that’s wild
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:10 AM
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In what world is a 6-7 not an “actually attractive girl”. An objective 7 is like, hottest girl at your local bar tier
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:59 AM
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The amount of men exposing themselves in these comments is wild. “I’ll admit that quite a few of these guys only wanted sex but it’s crazy how many messages she got” It’s like despite women saying over and over again that casual sex isn’t really enjoyable men will still say stuff like this. Who cares about the number? These men just want to use her for one or two nights and move on to their next conquest. How is that supposed to be enjoyable
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:57 AM
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I’m not dismissing it I’m just not placing an inflated value on it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:38 AM
4

You think that simply not being fat makes you at least a 6/10? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:38 AM
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Sure, I never said that it’s not on women to sort through that. Just because men don’t get more offers for casual sex from women doesn’t really mean that they have less options for actual relationships. Women on average just don’t value casual sex as much as men do that’s why there’s more fat to trim with online dating
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:26 AM
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Where did I say it’s of no importance?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:24 AM
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Ugly men do have it worse than ugly women when it comes to access to casual sex, I don’t disagree with that. Men have more privileges in society overall so if you’re really ugly you can balance it out with something like a shit ton of money. Women can’t really say the same so on average it’s much harder being an ugly woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:20 AM
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Are you sure they’re actually below average though? When people say things like this I’d love to see what the woman looks like. Also “professional athlete” is pretty vague Did she sleep with Steph Curry or someone from your local G League basketball team
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:13 AM
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Makeup doesn’t look good on everyone and as ive said in another comment the features that are huge biggies when it comes to attractiveness for the most part cannot be covered or altered with makeup either
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:10 AM
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That’s not what I’m arguing about lol. I’m sorry that you deviated away from the topic this much but your inability to follow discussions isn’t my problem
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:59 PM
2

Most men can do that because most men can grow a beard
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:52 PM
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My opinion on height is that if you’re at the average height for men in your country then you’re chilling. In the US I think it’s 5’ 9” or so. The 6’ 0” + requirement exists more in online dating vs meeting people organically. I don’t have a big opinion on the hat fishing thing. A bad hairline doesn’t bother me personally but it’s a big insecurity for men. I think if you’re short to the point where it may affect your dating life, like way below average then any kind of attempts to look taller wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:52 PM
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You tell me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:30 PM
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Being in your 20’s does not automatically put you at a 6/10 attractiveness rating. Definitely not “fair to say”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:30 PM
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Okay. So women have a 1/10 chance at a relationship, sounds about equivalent to their male counterpart. Remind me what you’re arguing about again?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:29 PM
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Well we’re not talking about ugly men vs ugly women. The very first comment in this comment chain is comparing UGLY women to AVERAGE guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:27 PM
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I mean you’re the one that brought up beards being obtainable by transplants lol. This was never really a conversation about them being the same price. Makeup isn’t free. It’s something that has to be purchased over and over again over the course of many years. Let’s assume a woman starts wearing makeup at 18. Fast forward to age 38, if on average they’re spending $500 a year on makeup (it could very well be more), that’s $10,000. A beard transplant is $7,000-$12,000 which you can also make mont…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:25 PM
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Well because you said “all women”. I’m simply responding and giving a reason of why not all women have access to makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:18 PM
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Exhibit A, I didn’t even have to scroll that far https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/13o5pfy/the_value_of_a_young_goodlooking_woman_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:12 PM
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It could be that you just look very feminine which is unattractive to the majority of women especially since you mention you have very similar facial features.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:11 PM
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The way your post is written doesn’t seem like your primary point is to prove that women are dating up. The point appears to be “why” women are dating up, and your “why” isn’t correct per the comment above
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:08 PM
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This is the right answer
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:07 PM
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Within the context of this conversation - yea, I am! I have a large circle of friends and actually spend time outside socializing and seeing how normal people interact with one another. You can’t seriously be suggesting that real life experiences aren’t valuable. Not everything in life can be reduced to a little study
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:05 PM
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“Too old, fat, unconventional” would still be a list of things that make a woman fuckable or not to the masses so my point still stands. Unless someone is wearing dirty rags there’s probably no other distinguishing feature that shows their “status”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:02 PM
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Unless you have some sort of physical deformity or look very creepy it’s unlikely that you’re not getting any sort of attention from the opposite sex. I’m not denying that women on average may get more attention but once the fat is trimmed the # of good potential suitors is probably relatively level to that of men. (If we’re still comparing unattractive women and average men)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:00 PM
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Not all women have access to makeup. Women in poor countries can’t buy makeup but most people can grow a beard for free
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:56 PM
1

Not all women have access to makeup. Women in poor countries can’t buy makeup but most people can grow a beard for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:56 PM
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You can pay for makeup and you can pay for a hair transplant. My point still stands. Also only around 15% of men can’t grow a beard so if that’s applicable to you you’re definitely an outlier
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:54 PM
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I would say that what we see in real life, based on average normal people just going on about life is more important than any kind of study that can be conducted on this that would lead to statistical evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:52 PM
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Doesn’t this also tie into how fuckable women are? Men wouldn’t want to be seen with an “uggo” because she’s unfuckable to other men who are passing this judgement in public
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:48 PM
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But it is because both of those things can alter someone’s facial appearance. Men don’t really have access to makeup and women don’t have access to beards
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:47 PM
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I’m not moving the goal posts at all. There were two different users asking somewhat different things. If you scroll up you’ll see that I said attention isn’t always a good thing and admittedly did say unattractive women do have a somewhat easier time obtaining casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:46 PM
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Men who are 5’s are not invisible to women lol. Also why wouldn’t a woman who is a 5 get matches on dating apps? “Average” isn’t a bad place to be, looks wise. You’ve obviously never experienced dating apps as a woman. High # of “Matches” doesn’t mean anything, especially when men’s dating strategy on apps is to swipe yes on everyone and then filter out who they actually want afterwards. You can match with someone and they never respond to your message. You can match with someone and they unlatc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:42 PM
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You’re completely missing the point lol. Becoming very attractive purely by using makeup isn’t something that’s accessible to all women. Same with a beard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:33 PM
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I see PLENTY of ugly men out and about with partners 🤷🏼‍♀️ somehow they’re able to find women that are open to dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:31 PM
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In the same way some women have facial features that can’t be altered by the use of makeup. Being attractive isn’t as simple as just having access to makeup
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:18 PM
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This isn’t even remotely close to being true. Very attractive men receive a great amount of attention. ESPECIALLY since according to you men don’t have makeup so they can’t manipulate their looks. In theory this would mean that a naturally good looking man is rare and would be more sought after and placed on an even bigger pedestal
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:17 PM
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Ugly women are invisible to men because the only value men place on women is how fuckable they are
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:03 PM
4

Beards are definitely the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:58 PM
6

Honestly average men do pretty well in the dating world too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:58 PM
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1.) Swipes mean virtually nothing if they don’t progress into a conversation or a date. 2.) Ugly women aren’t getting the level of social media DM’s that you think they are 3.) Likes on IG literally mean nothing. 4.) Being approached also doesn’t really mean anything and if anything it’s annoying 5.) Ugly women aren’t easily getting let into places that are hard to get into 6.) Ugly women aren’t getting free drinks at the bar lol. Hot women get free drinks. Ugly women get pushed around. Everythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:52 PM
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Ugly women might have a bit of an easier time obtaining casual sex than an average man but not a quality relationship. Outside of ease of getting casual sex it’s really not that much better. Not sure what “etc” in your statement covers though. Attention isn’t always a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:44 PM
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Women get makeup, men get facial hair. Sometimes it’s like night and day between a man who has a beard and one that doesn’t. Same with hats (and the term “hat fishing”). I’m a woman and honestly I know VERY few women who wear that much makeup to the point where they are unrecognizable without it. So while the people you’re describing do exist, it’s definitely not the norm. Makeup also won’t cover up facial features that tend to be perceived as unattractive. If you have severe acne it’s still ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:40 PM
7

Define “attention”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:35 PM
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Commented this on the other post that was deleted Copy and pasting here. I am female The answer is that both genders would step up and fill in roles that in our current society are dominated by the opposite gender. If men disappeared, there would be female plumbers, construction workers, oil rig workers. Women are still capable of building muscle and being very strong. Violent would likely decrease and so would trafficking, sexual assault, motor vehicle theft. Women could attain more high paying…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:30 PM
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I feel like the comment you responded to meant to say that the women that are getting flown out are far beyond moderately good looking. The woman you linked is slightly above average facially but I doubt she’s getting flown out anywhere especially since her appeal likely only comes from dressing like an anime character. It’s also pretty hard being a creator online and actually making a good living from it. Look up average statistics for only fans creators. “The top 1% in the platform earns 33% o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:14 PM
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The answer is that both genders would step up and fill in roles that in our current society are dominated by the opposite gender. If men disappeared, there would be female plumbers, construction workers, oil rig workers. Women are still capable of building muscle and being very strong. Violent would likely decrease and so would trafficking, sexual assault, motor vehicle theft. Women could attain more high paying roles within companies because the boys club in the corporate world would no longer …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:01 PM
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Why do men think that being “moderately” good looking is a ticket to getting flown out to Dubai? Also I’ve noticed men generally add inflated value to this kind of thing. Women aren’t getting flown out to Dubai just to shop and relax on the beach. They are getting flown out to provide sexual favors to the man spending the $ on them. You want your entire trip to be controlled by some dude in a foreign country in exchange for sexual favors? It’s essentially sex work. You think it’s fun to constant…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:52 PM
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Women already work in construction, as plumbers, on oil rigs, etc, just in very small #’s. Most women may not be able to match the physical strength of men exactly, but they would be able to do most of those jobs if it really came down to it. It’s not like machinery can’t be developed to account for any manpower that wouldn’t be present.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:43 PM
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I guess you missed the part that said “if” you can’t control your urges. Sounds like you’re not interested in a good faith discussion because your entire comment is a huge reach
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:34 PM
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I do realize culture is not based on skin color. He was raised by his mom in an upper middle class community and all of his friends are white. He looks like a white man. This isn’t a random person that I had a 2 minute interaction with that I knew something about. That’s why I said he came off as a poser and the entire point of the comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:31 PM
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I never said stigma doesn’t play a big part in what we do but if your reasoning for not doing anything is just “stigma” I don’t see how you’ll have a happy life. There are people who sit around and cry about things and never do anything to improve their situations or there are people who work at being happier and overcoming “stigmas”. There’s nothing about my response that indicates I’m not interested in a good faith discussion. I’m letting you know my opinion which isn’t an unrealistic way of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:43 PM
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Who cares about what? Also sex isn’t a “need”, it’s a want. You’re not gonna shrivel up and die if you don’t have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:37 PM
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“It’s not socially acceptable” followed by “of course most people won’t ever know if someone has any sex toys” is a wild thing to type out Either suck it up and buy a sex toy if you can’t control your urges or work on becoming a decent human being so you can have sex with another human. It’s not that complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:33 PM
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If your mom is full white, your dad is half black with, maybe even less (no black features besides the hair type and tan skin) and is from Brazil you don’t really come from the same “culture” as black people in the United States grow up with. His dad looked more Hispanic than black. That’s why it’s weird to take on a persona that’s not really yours when people who are actually part of that “culture” who don’t have the same privileges as you are put down for it. I’m not saying this person doesn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:27 PM
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This lol. OP said “sexuality is a vital component in life” for men like ok get some toys or something and you’re good to go if it’s that out of control for you. Part of having sex with another human is that feeling of closeness to your partner. Everything OP has written just talks about the “must get off” aspect of it so I don’t see why you can’t just deal with it on your own
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 04:38 PM
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I think anyone who overly uses any kind of slang is kinda cringe when it comes off unnatural. I’m this case the guy gave me the ick because he was coming off as a poser. He looked white, and the 1/4 was Afro Brazilian so the slang was just too much. I don’t care about AAVE or any other slang as not as it’s not forced
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 04:17 PM
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I went on a date with a guy who was super nice but he was white, maybe a quarter black at most and was hanging on to that 25% for dear life and overusing AAVE, instant ick
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 05:13 PM
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Motorcycle guys get a lot of girls probably just because the style looks really cool. Those guys often have tattoos, beards, are buff and some women love the really masculine look. On the opposite end there’s a large group of women who love scrawny guys who look like addicts. It’s just a specific aesthetic and I think you’re kinda hyper focusing on it. If you don’t really have any hobbies of any sort then just find women who are similar to you. Being boring isn’t exclusive to the male Gender
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 12:45 AM
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Isn’t the point of a discussion forum to “dive too deep” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:31 PM
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😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 05:42 PM
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Ok. Even if we say that attractiveness isn’t objective there are still defining features of a conventionally attractive person and someone who would be seen as unattractive by the masses. Going back to your example, you think someone is a 7, I think they are a 3. One of us would likely still be closer to rating that person closer to what society in general finds them to be. A three is several points below average A 7 is several points above average They can’t really both be true
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:26 PM
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Sometimes older men use a fake age on dating apps to get access to younger girls who might otherwise filter them out, it’s gross. In this case it sounds like op either didn’t set one, or she posted to something like Reddit and expected men to actually read the text with wants and needs 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:55 PM
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Lol that’s why I said “most”. Again, there’s a science to what people generally find attractive. There would be variance between hair color, eye color, etc but at the base there are very similar features that attractive people have. Read up about neotany. This isn’t even a debate it’s just a fact. Just because one woman says Chris Hemsworth isn’t very attractive to her (assuming this isnt just cope because she knows he’s way out of her league), and you take away any aesthetic things like their s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:49 PM
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Most women have a tough time dating because my nature women look for a man who will be a provider. When a woman gets pregnant she’s stuck with the baby for at least the next 9 months. Men’s nature is the opposite. They can get as many people pregnant in a short amount of time, have a large lineage which they can abandon at any point. Not really without consequences in most places in this day and age but the above characteristics are pretty innate. Women who want a family also have a much smaller…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:42 PM
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Most objective things in life will have someone who disagrees with it. It’s pretty proven by science that there’s a formula for what is attractive for each sex, on average, when it comes to appearance. Styling is more subjective
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:24 PM
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No there generally is a science for beauty and objectively speaking you can put post people at a 3, a 5, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:06 PM
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Nah, I don’t feel dumb at all. It’s weird how you’re getting on my case for using a statistic available in a small % of the world but aren’t keeping the same energy for the person who brought up affirmative action. Pretty sure there are also studies that show even when women outperform men in the work places they are less likely to be performed. So your “just work harder” claim is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:05 PM
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Does citing a fallacy make you feel smarter? Lol. I’m allowed to use statistics as examples. There are plenty sources outside of this that prove men have much more privilege than woman outside of this. Weird hill to die on
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 11:54 AM
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Are you slow? You sound like you need some of these extra resources. I’m sorry they’re not accessible to you 🤍 Male victims make up the majority of violent crimes because the aggressors are OTHER males. Remind me how women exactly are at fault for this? Just because it’s hard to land a job once you get out jail doesn’t change the fact that the majority of people in the work force are male. Honestly the mental gymnastics occurring here is embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:47 AM
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Men have a higher indecent rate of mental illness so it adds up. Men are also more violent which leads to higher rates of incarceration which leads to difficulty with landing a job once out of the system. The streets are also more dangerous for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:40 AM
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Lmao what? Only like 44% of the corporate workforce is female. Tell me you don’t know basic math without telling me you don’t know basic math. With over half of the work force being male, and close to 75% of corporate CEO’s being male your chance at having a decent job is still much higher than a woman. Nice try tho! source
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:29 AM
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Lol then why complain about matches if you’re just on there swiping out of boredom and then noping out. Sounds counter productive and dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:17 AM
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If affirmative action was as big of a deal as you imply then the ratio of male to female CEO’s would be more balanced and not 75% to 25%. Nice try tho
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:16 AM
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Of course. A healthy sex life is a major part of a relationship. If it’s something that I enjoy, and it’s something that they did for previous partners but not for me it would give MAJOR red flags, especially if they don’t want to talk through the issue and let me know why it is exactly they no longer want to do it It’s kinda like, if your wife/girlfriend suddenly said she doesn’t want to have penetrative sex with you (let’s assume blow jobs do nothing for you) despite doing it with other partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:31 AM
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None
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:29 AM
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I think women also get more respect within their own social groups (other women) when they are more attractive. Even when you take away the male attention, being an attractive well dressed woman gains you a lot of benefits in society for a variety of reasons. People flock to you when you have something that they don’t. I think a lot of what women do are not only for themselves but to impress other women too tbh, even in a non romantic way. Or romantic for the women who aren’t straight. Really. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:29 AM
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I don’t understand it when men don’t realize that they definitely carry some sort of a privilege irl over others. Statistically speaking if you take Fortune 500 companies the % of female CEO’s is only 24%. That ends up having a trickle down effect. Anyone who has spent time in corporate work places knows there tends to be a boys club vibe in work places. If you take a male employee and a female employee, with the same skill set and the same level of appearance (let’s say both are unatttactive), …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:24 AM
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I don’t think putting feelers out there within a friend group will get you kicked out of the group. It has happened in many of my social circles and the guys are still cool with everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 03:28 AM
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Honestly at first I would question it but realistically there could be a number of reasons why he suddenly switched it up. 1.) finances, maybe there was a big change in their life and they no longer had the budget for extravagant dates 2.) Maybe he felt that the extravagant dates weren’t working out great and wanted to try something more casual for a change 3.) Maybe someone told them a fact about you that led them to believe you’d prefer a picnic or that’s the vibe you give off and they wanted …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 01:20 AM
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This is a good point especially the point about there being a lot at stake and proceeding with caution. A few years back I was at a brewery for a friends birthday and there was a guy there I was interested in. I felt a spark when we first were introduced and it could just be my delusion lol. Anyways, I didn’t get to interact with this person a lot at the gathering but at the end my friends (girls) convinced me to ask a mutual friend of ours to give the guy I was interested in my number. Without …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 01:12 AM
2

The delusion is insane lol. You’d hope it’s mostly kept online since it’s so easy to say just anything but I feel like if people spend enough time online these values will be deeply engrained in them and will be real life values as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 10:05 PM
7

“There’s no such thing as someone being out of your league” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:43 PM
1

Bold of you to assume that I’m not aware that there are examples outside of what I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:13 PM
3

There are tons of different types of models though. Many of them are conventionally attractive especially if they’re modeling beauty products.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:11 PM
2

The woman in the Street didn’t rate herself. The topic of the video was “asking hot women what they do for a living”. She said she was a model, she didnt say how she ranks herself. The comments were mostly below average men saying there’s no way she’s a model and calling her ugly. And many men saying they look better than her but when you go to their profile it was 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:10 PM
1

Men do struggle with dating because of hygiene. The amount of men I see with dirty nails, ungroomed hair, sloppy dirty stretched out shirts that they’ve probably had since they were 19 is insane. Most men have terrible grooming habits
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:08 PM
5

You would have to be very attractive for a woman to go out of her way to contact you. You could be unattractive yes but you’re probably just average tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 05:09 AM
1

A huge part of what people find attractive is aesthetics, when mostly all is equal. Hair color, body shape, etc. When it comes to facial features there typically are pretty consistent commonalities between what’s perceived as very attractive and what isn’t. Most people just aren’t good at recognizing it. They recognize that someone looks good, but they probably wouldn’t be able to explain why. When you understand objective beauty you’ll be able to do so. I feel like this disclaimer shouldn’t eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 05:04 AM
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For the most part there is such a thing as objective beauty
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:45 AM
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I said both are evaluating their attractiveness incorrectly. Men probably also struggle more with dating due to reasons poor hygiene and grooming habits. Most women have that nailed down
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 02:52 AM
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I feel like high school is a terrible place for most men to gauge their attractiveness. Most guys I know became much more attractive in college when they matured a bit. The prom thing I feel like will also vary from school to school or just based on the class itself. It wasn’t a huge deal at my high school either. Our prom was tiny despite having a huge graduating class and this was like, 10 years ago but at neighboring schools it was a big deal
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:36 AM
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I guess that’s where most women and men differ. Getting laid has never been my #1 priority
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:26 AM
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I think you’re projecting a bit. How would the guys I match with online and my discussions with them be relevant in a discussion where I’m saying men would probably do better In the dating world if they had more realistic standards? I’m basing my opinions on a lot of things, many different factors. Throughout this entire conversation you’ve low key questioned my intelligence and thrown out weird insults like “you were probably home schooled” which I feel like says more about you than me. All of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:26 AM
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I guess if your #1 priority in life is “FREE SEX!” then I can see why you hold this view point
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:20 AM
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Well said, I actually agree with everything here. I think a large part of why men in the “average” category struggle more than necessarily is because of poor grooming habits. They don’t take care of their bodies, have poor hygiene, poor style (Ill fitting stretched out stained clothing). Whereas most women in the same category (average) are trained from a young age to invest much more into their looks while their male counterparts don’t do this and this is party why women want to “date up” Of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:18 AM
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You’re missing the point a bit, but it’s probably because you personally value casual sex more than a quality match and relationship. Sure a woman can sleep up but it doesn’t do much for you in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:13 AM
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I agree with your take. I feel like this is where the women having an overly inflated perception of self attractiveness can also tie in because women are also aiming outside of their league of looks like 80% of the time. The market is “skewed” that way I feel like when women learn their attractiveness is when they want to actually settle down and find a long term partner because the “hook up” men from apps probably aren’t looking towards them for LTR and this is where some bitterness tends to br…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:12 AM
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Definitely wasn’t homeschooled nor Gen Z. Most modern men especially those who spend a lot of time definitely feel entitled to women who are far out of their league. Idk if it’s delusion, or deep down they believe that they are more attractive than they really are
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:06 AM
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Honestly this is applicable to women too. As a very unattractive woman you’ll probably see more likes than a man because women take a different approach to swiping. My guy friends have told me they just do mass “yes” swipes and only after they actually match with someone is when they actually go through profiles and determine if they want to have a conversation with the woman or not That’s why women get a higher volume of likes but it doesn’t mean that the quality of the matches is any better
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:54 PM
7

From what I’ve observed I feel like what I said holds true. A lot of men who are single and lonely could find partners quicker if they were more realistic with the women they aim for
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:51 PM
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I’m a woman and I agree that unattractive women on average perceive themselves to be more attractive than they really are. Both sexes are guilty of doing this but I feel like women are more likely to be much more off about their own rating (a 4 thinking they’re a 9).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:49 PM
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I totally understand the numbers approach some men take when it comes to dating with trying to hit on as many women as possible until one bites even if they are out of their league It genuinely shocked me though seeing the type of guys that were comparing themselves to this woman claiming to be much better looking. That’s why I think the “women’s standards are too high” trope is a bit over stated. Men have just as equally high standards for their partners or at least for whom they perceive as eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:40 PM
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If they’re just approaching me for a genuine friendly conversation I wouldn’t treat them any different than any other person. I would be nice and friendly in return. Depends on the context of the situation really. If they made advances on me I would politely turn them down. If they can’t take the hint and keep being pushy and creepy then I’d probably be more cold and short and try to disengage and pull away to get as far away from them as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:40 PM
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Agree with everything written here
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 08:47 AM
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I don’t see how approaching women that you’re not even interested in will help you deal with your fears of rejection and mental barriers. The moment you come across a woman you actually care for you’re still gonna crash and burn. Also women aren’t there to be bumpers for you to deal with feelings of inadequacy. Harassing strangers for some sort of self gain isn’t it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:59 AM
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Agreed. In modern life there are so many other opportunities to meet a potential partner. Dating apps, bars, various other social situations where someone is ready to be approached and in the mood for a connection if that makes sense. Most people are relatively successful with using the methods above for finding a partner, so if someone’s cold approaching me when I’m just minding my own business I feel like there’s going to be something “off” about them from the start and that they don’t have su…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:50 AM
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