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Legal RightsMain-Tiger8593/r/MensRights02/12/24 08:17 AM
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GeneralMain-Tiger8593/r/MensRights30/04/25 05:39 AM
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Question For WomenMain-Tiger8593/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 08:13 AM
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GeneralMain-Tiger8593/r/MensRights09/06/24 06:16 AM
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DebateMain-Tiger8593/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:16 PM
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DiscussionMain-Tiger8593/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 07:26 AM
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Question For WomenMain-Tiger8593/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 08:51 AM
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wookie will deflect anyways if he answers at all and avoids to provide evidence as usual... feminists like him claim mras are a right wing movement and alone the existence of lwma negates that...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:12 AM

i do not claim patriarchy oppresses women like you do as you demonstrated with systemic oppression... you are not consistent if we talk about rights and choices or consent... you blow out of proportion that i talked about abortion, upbringing of children, family structures and the requirement to work to not starve... keep in mind the topic of this very thread is at which point are women satisfied with equality or do activists push equity with an elusive goal which never can be reached... you do …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:55 AM
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they did and i provided a link but what you make out of it is on you... mens rights activism
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 05:46 AM
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well you claimed feminists pushed out terfs and avoided to talk about radical feminists... you conceded right from the start by moving the goalpost... i know your tactics and games but for the sake of the argument here -> mens rights activism
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 05:41 AM
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people can not do whatever they want even if it is within our laws as you displayed the struggle for survival affects men + women but some people here hide the details including you you continue to claim that i do not engage with your points but i did and instead of answering my first comment properly you lash out with that im not tackling your points which is wild marriage to avoid starving was a thing... we are talking about a certain time of the industrial revolution but we certainly do not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 05:28 AM
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source?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 05:06 AM
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ok first of all things you and just you claim i blame women for all issues in society... im a harsh critic of conservatism and feminism which includes men + women on both sides... just calling out your ignorance + hypocrisy and you did not dissapoint...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 05:05 AM
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well since feminism still has to fight the patriarchy boogeyman op has a point but people are hypocritical about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:52 AM
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if you are exhausted if you have to tackle proper arguments and points you should stay away from debates... see you are deflecting and dismissing my points as you do not want to argue about the core issue here which is telling... since humans rised it was always about survival but whatever...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:46 AM
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i beg to differ here because people scream misogyny or oppression but ignore how conservative women consent to the nuclear family and refuse duties a fair gender neutral society would need... similiar story with terfs or radical feminists insisting on gendering everything to push for equal outcomes but drop it as soon as it becomes difficult...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:32 AM
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hm ok if you work with monoliths we can also say feminism is a hate group because of terfs and radical feminists... guys like you do not fight for equality of opportunity you fight for equal outcomes till it becomes negative "like deaths at work or fail at their opportunity" then you drop it and never talk about it... prime example would be womens work does not get valued but as soon as we talk about daycare cost + salary = silence... we call that hypocritical...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:25 AM
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well i would claim that conservative women are the biggest supporters of patriarchy as they consent to the nuclear family -> push men into provider + protector and women into nurturing + support gender roles... they also refuse essential duties for a fair gender neutral society and voted trump ofcourse...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 03:51 AM
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do you know the daily wire and certain takes that women should not vote because...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:51 PM
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do you know the daily wire and certain takes that women should not vote because...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:50 PM
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if the woman/girl is underage the parents have to pick or lets say allow partners because of several reasons but thats probably not the topic... if we talk about a conservative relationship/family this stance comes from men protect women and thats just possible if he controls "paternalizes" everything... that said a conservative woman consented to said gender roles within a nuclear family... i think a fair gender neutral society would have less of such problems but this gets opposed by many peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:26 PM
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who would you say is part of the manosphere? agree on the red pill + paternalistic conservative stuff but past that it becomes pretty blurry and at which point misogyny starts...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:05 PM
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multiple users here argue women can not rape men/boys hence all responsibility + accountability is on men... including child support after a woman raped somebody and got pregnant... said pro choice people use pro life points as soon as we talk about mens reproductive/parental rights... this is all about hypocrisy and double standards...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:01 PM
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well do gay men have that problem? sounds one dimensional if we talk about interaction and communication...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:12 AM
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is there any need to use an orgasm gap for anything in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:49 AM
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mens rights activism
/r/MensRights18/05/25 10:26 AM
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baby is not born yet = it just leaves her with a child if she chooses to keep it while knowing the father will not be there... keep repeating and ignore how many women give their child up for adoption already if it is born... we can shortcut this conversation to abortion has to be banned then to make it equal...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:59 AM
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none
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:37 PM
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we could also just ban abortion to hold both accountable
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:36 PM
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option 1 = both want abortion and nobody has to care for a child option 2 = she wants to keep it but he not -> irresponsible choice but nobody should deny her the option to be a single mom... he should have the option to surrender his parenthood... option 3 = she wants to abort and he wants to keep it -> it is her choice because it is her body option 4 = both want the child and it is a happy family
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:33 PM
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there are way more options to tackle that but both sides are too ignorant about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:27 PM
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be aware of ragebait/trolling dude but that said your points are solid
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:24 PM
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<image> ok keep talking...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:19 PM
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says nothing about your values and you avoided the question... ok lets rephrase it to conservatives on the dailywire say stuff like that...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:47 PM
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that men AND women sleep with people they should not is nothing new... you construct this in a misleading way as nobody here argues for forcing women to abort or to keep it... you do not understand what you are talking about or how paper abortion works...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 11:19 AM
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btw people who oppose paper abortions are hypocrits and do not care about evidence... they will argue about rhetoric and semantics to distort the topic... do you know the hermesmann vs seyer case? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:44 AM
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after what you said and how you argue here in the comments i do not believe you...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:26 AM
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i did not say they get a pass i said we should condemn this behavior...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:23 AM
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she has the option to abort if she knows he does not want children... if she chooses to keep it she acts irresponsible... we are not talking about adoption here we talk about a timeframe within pregnancy... obviously men + women act irresponsible way too often but as soon as we talk about an abortion ban "im pro choice btw" the screams get loud...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:36 AM
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that sounds like you are against abortion...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:31 AM
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we have a pro lifer here at least it sounds like that...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:30 AM
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wrong... she has the option to abort if she knows he does not want children... if she chooses to keep it she acts irresponsible... we are not talking about adoption here we talk about a timeframe within pregnancy...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:27 AM
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currently conservatives say they will outbreed liberals if they do what you did in lets say 20 years... do you have any suggestion to improve the situation? it is obvious that we need solid daycare but how should we tackle upbringing of children in communities could you elaborate...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:22 AM
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equal representation if women refuse to will be pretty wild to violate consent/free will... equality of opportunity does not guarantee equal outcomes as we can see with conservative women AND daycare cost + salary says hello aswell...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:49 AM
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it is mostly men in power because conservative women refuse to step up + push men into gender roles... im not so sure about liberal women but daycare cost + salary and generally the wage gap tells a certain story... btw liberal men refusing to do chores or parent duties is also something to condemn but where are the studies or surveys differentiating that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:35 AM
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well users here deny that women refuse to volunteer... if we force "conservative" women to step up is that not misogyny? as another example women consented to something and regret it later as the outcome is not equal but ignore everything inbetween -> the us women national soccer team and their court case for equal pay because they failed at their opportunity... daycare cost + salary is another example of why womens work does not get valued is misleading... op you have to show the people how a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:01 AM
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how many women volunteer for risky clinical studies who could corrupt their pregnancy/fertility? https://blog.profil.com/blog/gender-ratio-in-clinical-trials?hs_amp=true how does daycare cost + salary evolve if we adjust working hours and funding? it seems like everything is misogyny as op stated...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:13 PM
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that would translate to forcing women (specially conservatives) into roles they do not want and giving men abortion rights but you are probably aware about that and further consequences... not that im against it i support a gender neutral society... btw equality of opportunity does not lead to equal outcomes as you can see with conservative women... ![img](1c6n7sjhry0f1)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:06 PM
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do you know the thalidomide scandal from the 50-60s? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3573415/ women are able to volunteer for clinical studies but it seems like prefer not to on average... sure it is misogyny if 50% of women "conservatives" refuse to do various things liberal women would do... btw equality of opportunity does not guarantee equal outcomes as you can see with conservative women or daycare cost + salary for example...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:01 PM
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do you know the thalidomide scandal from the 50-60s? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3573415/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022347664806260 Thalidomide was administered to pregnant rats by various routes without significantly interfering with embryonic development. women are able to volunteer for clinical studies but it seems like prefer not to on average... sure it is misogyny if 50% of women "conservatives" …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:59 PM
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men who did not own property or did not pay taxes could not vote... just 6% of the us population 1789 could vote including unmarried or widowed women who owned property...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:30 PM
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the irony is delicious...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:01 PM
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haha that was a good one cuz voting always had conditions for men and women voted before 1928... it is a good thing that we try to change this but we are not there yet... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_voting_rights_in_the_United_States
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:54 PM
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do you know the thalidomide scandal from the 50-60s? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3573415/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022347664806260 Thalidomide was administered to pregnant rats by various routes without significantly interfering with embryonic development. i guess no source needed as you avoid to look at it anyways but you should know the basics if you talk about such a topic... women are able to volu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:48 PM
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hu i thought the picture that shows how congress is distributed by gender gets displayed instead of the link ok whatever... the picture shows that you would have to equalize conservatives even if democrats had a 50/50 split... if you say not in the future of human history you concede that this will not happen or what do you want to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:50 PM
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that would translate to forcing women (specially conservatives) into roles they do not want and giving men abortion rights but you are probably aware about that and further consequences... not that im against it i support a gender neutral society... yes we should enforce and protect it... <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:23 PM

the same thing could be said about the majority of men do not see women as things they have to oppress or rape... bizarre how feminists spread the men are predators narrative...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:14 PM
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did any of you ever see infighting of feminists? example terfs...
/r/MensRights15/05/25 10:05 AM
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there are several questions you have to ask feminists... how do you tackle equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome "equity"? how do we achieve a fair gender neutral society and respect consent + free choice? how do you compare/measure suffering or privilege or oppression in a credible way? most fail to give proper answers to that... a lot of times critic "specially of feminism" gets considered as misogyny... btw daycare reveals the issue with womens work does not get valued...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 09:58 AM
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well the problem is as soon as mens struggles get properly noticed/tackled womens issues are not special anymore... at the end in a fair gender neutral society we should care about peoples struggles without dividing... your last point is a little bit silly and distorts the argument or why feminists get criticised but we already talked about that topic and how gendered struggles get compared or measured...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:53 AM
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cdc violence report <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:29 AM
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im not here to argue about this as im no feminist but i know their talkingpoints...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:32 AM
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well depending who got elected the numbers drop or raise but i have to ask at which point would it be an issue in your opinion? equality of opportunity has to include -> parental leave, flexible hours, daycare, abortion etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:24 AM
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abortion + upbringing of children btw im no feminist...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:17 AM
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there are several questions you have to ask feminists... how do you tackle equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome "equity"? how do we achieve a fair gender neutral society and respect consent + free choice? how do you compare/measure suffering or privilege or oppression in a credible way? most fail to give proper answers to that... btw daycare reveals the issue with womens work does not get valued...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:01 AM
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well you also confuse the pay gap with the wage gap as you demonstrated to claim women get discriminated... men are overrepresented in leadership positions because of several reasons... conservative women push men into the provider + protector role women get pregnant and are not available 24/7 for certain tasks women alone are not able to enforce rights or laws there are more reasons and i personally think this is unhealthy but i just wanted to give some examples... if liberals split duties 50/5…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:30 AM
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im not here to argue about if it is real or a myth all i say is feminists present it in a misleading way...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:14 AM
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do you know the difference between the wage gap and the pay gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:09 AM
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which fundamental rights do men have and women not in democratic countries? how do you measure equality or oppression and differentiate it by gender in a credible way?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:08 AM
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i guess by stuff like the duluth model and presenting issues "pay/wage gap etc" in a misleading way as example...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:56 AM
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not really but you should read some of the comments from liberal aka bluepillers here in this sub...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:34 PM
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my point here is people intermix liberal and conservative dating behavior and family structures... if you are not liberal this does not appeal to you but you did not differentiate in your op...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:57 PM
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well thats why i specified liberal women which excludes you if you are conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:46 PM
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thanks thats all i need to know
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:44 PM
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this is exactly what conservatives do in their relationships but ok you are worth it and risk your life in each date with a man...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:44 AM
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hypocrit at best then but maybe you do not understand what you are talking about... btw with this attitude you support the so called patriarchy and misogyny...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:34 AM
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that liberal/progressive and conservative people have different dating behaviors and values... btw im not a redpiller and see no issue if a woman likes it if the man offers to pay but OP is way beyond that...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:32 AM
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well if a man has to pay the first date "not just offer and you refuse" i guess he can expect sex and ask for your bodycount or weight... if you are no hypocrit about your values...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:07 AM
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you are not a liberal/progressive woman...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:04 AM
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the question here would be... if you are married to a man and you both have 2 children would you leave him if a random woman tells you she got raped by your husband without any evidence? btw if you are talking about healthy behavior a "liberal/progressive" woman should refuse that he pays on the first date and insist to split else a "liberal/progressive" man will expect sex on the first date as equal unhealthy behavior... with your attitude you should have no problem if he asks your bodycount or…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:50 AM
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the question here would be... if you are married to a man and you both have 2 children would you leave him if a random woman tells you she got raped by your husband without any evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:46 AM
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may i ask you about your opinion on consent to parenthood and parental surrender "abortion/paper abortion"?
/r/MensRights09/05/25 05:45 AM
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responding to your edit: women have been oppressed and did plenty of work BUT why does it have to be highlighted if men also got oppressed and did plenty of work? i would say the powerful oppressed the powerless and it becomes extremly difficult to compare kings + queens or generally the elite as they had different duties or got killed in riots, revolutions, backstabbings etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:09 AM
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well there is a reason for secularism but you can not remove religion/faith completly... im agnostic and opposed to patriarchal ways...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:08 AM
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it is really funny to read stuff like that and then some feminists claim women "instead of low class humans" were oppressed and not valued for thousands of years... id say men + women were pretty equal on average regarding that... nowadays daycare "cost + salary" reveals why the argument womens work does not get valued is misleading... that said men enforce rights + laws because people "mainly conservatives" claim women alone are not able to... id say men + women should split/distribute duties i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:46 AM
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while all this iq stuff is interesting to read and talk about IcyTrapezium ignores how people in society tackle families and upbringing of children -> leading to more men in positions of power + earning more money... daycare is a prime example to reveal the problem with womens work does not get valued in our society -> cost + salary... i doubt she has much constructive to say about competence hierarchies... hypocritical about consent and duties at best...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:07 AM
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they argue that the studies do not track homosexual violence properly -> experienced violence in their lifetime but not if that was from men or women
/r/MensRights07/05/25 05:25 AM
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no it does not track that properly and thats the issue... it should and thats why i push a fair gender neutral society and correct analyzation of data... obviously stuff like flexible hours, daycare, parental leave, abortion and so on have to be part of equal opportunity...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:51 AM
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wage gap and pay gap is not the same thing the wage gap exists because men work more hours than women even within the same job same qualification no matter if fulltime or parttime and all variables adjusted... we can look at policies from countries with a wage gap of lower than 1% to see what is effective "mainly parental leave + decent working conditions" to close the gap and to prevent misleading math -> conclusions... the nurse salary report + A higher proportion of male nurses (8%) hold an A…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:31 AM
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what makes you believe that women face hurdles men do not face "gender based hurdles" and how can you tell that they do not earn the same for equal work? if a man and a woman with equal qualification work as a nurse, teacher, daycare it is equal work and the same money per hour but do they work the same hours? no they do not and i have the data to back it up... please explain how to get rid of the hurdles...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:18 AM
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a similiar thing is/was said about the gender pay gap and all statistics, studies, articles about it but this is the official result... workplace hours gap you do not understand or you ignore the issue here... it leads to equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome "equity" and how it gets tackled by governments + activists -> affirmative action... let me ask you at which point women are not behind anymore if you do not see the problem yourself...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:51 AM
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mythical lands like that would be dictatorships without free will... you are looking for luxembourg if we are more realistic...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 09:08 AM
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the issue here is people misrepresent or fail to properly analyze data like statistics, studies and surveys which leads to wild conclusions... prime example is the gender pay gap and statements like women earn 77 cent for every 1$ men earn... workplace hours gap
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 07:29 AM
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nice comment and you could push it even further "not just forced military service" sadly... i wonder what MyLastBestChance would say about a lawless or newly founded country and how human rights get enforced... i guess most feminists complain about conservatism and islam but are hypocritical about consent...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:50 AM
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may i ask the members of this sub how they differentiate equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome "equity" and at which point we reached a fair society? comparing dead bodies of men + women or how they died or suffered is dishonest/disengenious most of the time.... just as examples... -how should representation numbers become equal if lets say liberals split men + women 50/50 but conservatives 90/10? -what about upbringing of children or infrastructure duties if they are split in a similia…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:33 AM
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how should feminists and mras tackle/call this issue in said countries in your opinion? plutocracy? theocracy? does gender/sex matter at all if we talk about leadership and suffering?
/r/MensRights02/05/25 09:09 AM
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no not really but i guess many books or articles about secularism and its history with human rights are there...
/r/MensRights02/05/25 07:49 AM
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basically patriarchy theory gets tackled very differently depending on the dominating religion of the country and its leadership... sharia law puts religion over any government... western countries put laws/rights above religion...
/r/MensRights02/05/25 07:31 AM
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mens rights activism feminism vs mens rights activism i think islamic countries are very conservative "sharia law" and human rights movements got pushed by men + women but nowadays we have to gender this hence feminism or mens rights activism...
/r/MensRights02/05/25 06:34 AM
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it is so funny to listen to some of the stories + excuses here... complaining about stuff men had to endure since forever but generally people "men + women" become lazy if they are in a relationship or are unaware/ignorant about somebodies true personality...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:19 AM
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seems like op is confused about his own ideology and preferences... he acts like a liberal man and complains about conservative women acting conservative instead of attracting liberal women...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:18 AM
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said conservative women are fine with gender roles and are happy to nurture + support if the man provides + protects... quoted you here: "Lots of traditional stay-at-home moms advocate for reproductive rights and equal pay, because that’s what’s important for society. Part of empowering that personal choice means they get to choose whatever relationship or lifestyle works for them." this is how equal pay gets presented and advocated for in reality... what about liberal women who want a more equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:01 AM
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it is so funny to listen to some of the stories + excuses here... complaining about stuff men had to endure since forever but generally people "men + women" become lazy if they are in a relationship or are unaware/ignorant about somebodies true personality... op is confused about his ideology and preferences...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:47 AM
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can you give examples? if you want to talk about the gender wars between feminism and conservatism then yes it got worse... everything revolves around upbringing of children and consent...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 11:12 AM
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worse than what exactly? pillaging a village in the middle age or the french revolution or world war 2? nowadays you just see way more of the suffering that was always there...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 10:56 AM
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i think you look at the wrong things and compare stuff that can not be compared in a credible way... who has it worse a homeless man or a woman in prostitution? i would say men were always the disposable and women the paternalized sex...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 10:42 AM
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feminists probably would argue that womens rights are under attack on a regular basis "mainly abortion" and till men + women have equal outcomes society needs feminism...
/r/MensRights30/04/25 04:36 AM
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may i ask why mras should support or watch videos like that? andrew wilson said in this video that men have to be the provider + protector in society because women are not able to and shortcut that feminism sucks + religion/conservatism is patriarchal and great... he also said equality or egalitarianism does not work and destroys society essentially because of reproduction...
/r/MensRights29/04/25 04:16 AM
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could you explain the difference between insulting sex workers and whores?
/r/MensRights29/04/25 03:35 AM
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what? i would understand if you are against onlyfans but stuff like mfc or chaturbate or prostitution really?
/r/MensRights28/04/25 08:20 PM
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what? i would understand if you are against onlyfans but stuff like mfc or chaturbate or prostitution really?
/r/MensRights28/04/25 08:19 PM

this 90% stuff applies to dating apps and as i already said i disagree with that user in question but continue to rant and ignore the topic... single men do chores and couples negotiate about the distribution...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:52 AM

do you understand how probability + statistics works or do you enjoy your rethoric/semantic games? nobody argued that all women do this "btw not all women complain about chores or upbringing of children" and the topic is about cause + effect... united_iron exaggerated and i disagree with him but i do not deny peoples choices...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:30 AM

well it does if you have like +10 relationships of any form lasting like a week or a few month... after they failed to keep them settling with less...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 06:58 AM

probably aim for the top 10% and settle with less after that failed... btw your math here is not correct...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 06:54 AM
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may i ask how single men survive on their own if they have no clue how to manage their home/life? the conversation here should be about parenthood and consent... if parents fail to teach their children basic duties everybody needs and fail to distribute chores fairly maybe they should not have children...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 05:49 AM
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the issue here is stuff like that does not get properly investigated as most studies just ask if men or women are happy with the situation and almost nobody looks at consent or differentiates liberal vs conservative households... if you would ask men if they would prefer less working hours with better conditions for the same salary guess what most men would say... the comparisons between men and women in this sub are disengenious...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 05:04 AM
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the excuses are endless as soon as you talk about such stuff and i bet that almost nobody differentiates liberal vs conservative households... for most bluepillers/feminists here it is almost always the evil men exploiting women instead of consenting to various duties and regretting them later... guess what happens if we talk about consent to parenthood...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 04:54 AM
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this post is pure gold and reveals a lot thanks for that OP! did anyone yet differentiate between liberal and conservative households?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 04:45 AM
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i think the main beef between mras and feminists is about equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome "equity" and presentation of patriarchy vs gynocentrism which is both basically conservatism... forced gender roles is something both movements want to get rid off and both want to put more value on consent... if we as egalitarians want to tackle this properly we have to distribute the burdens and duties in society fairly and probably push a gender neutral society... that said there are loud …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 11:01 PM
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askwomennocensor about misandry
/r/MensRights21/04/25 03:19 PM
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a lot of text for nothing id say as i stated if the government does not intervene in any form women can abort and men do not get forced to anything
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 09:49 AM
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do you think the state should revoke custody of single women who knew that the biological father did not want children and ignored this which endangers the upbringing? (leading to children getting raised by the state/orphanages) the points you raised are like consent to sex is consent to parenthood BUT women are exempt... paper abortion is a timeframe within a woman can still abort but you may argue that this forces women to do it similiar to contraception... we do not argue against abortion her…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 07:43 AM
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the abortion conversation here looks like a deadend anyways... if you mention consent to parenthood, adoption or government funded upbringing of children and at which point the state should take away custody it becomes very hairy quickly...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 07:30 AM
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agree to everything you said... what do consider as a decent salary for daycare, teaching, nursing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 04:49 AM
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https://youtu.be/-pdnkbs4l_g?si=UlhynjFfwcnL2SAf thats why we argue about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:20 PM
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https://youtu.be/-pdnkbs4l_g?si=UlhynjFfwcnL2SAf
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 05:19 PM
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thats basically what op tried to say about the pay/wage gap and upbringing of children/motherhood penalty... i think we can all agree on that pay discrimination is unacceptable... that said social security is probably the foundation of equality of opportunity...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 04:22 PM
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well i fully support decent wages + affordability... if the government funds all of this "take a look at europe" it appears to be balanced with decent conditions but still paid less than male dominated fields that have worse conditions and terrible hours... government funded does not translate to a free service but i guess the question here is how much should the government control this and at which point are the taxes too high and the organization becomes inefficient -> bloated cost/bad service…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 04:12 PM
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was not done yet and corrected a few things but basically daycare, nursing and teaching are female dominated fields we can inspect and discuss about...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:50 PM
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you said we have to talk about why female dominated fields pay less and i asked a few questions about it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:41 PM
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ok lets inspect daycare salary and several others... how does daycare, nursing and teaching gets funded + how expensive is it? what happens if people work less hours or get paid a decent wage? https://www.care.com/c/how-much-does-child-care-cost/ https://apps.urban.org/features/school-funding-do-poor-kids-get-fair-share/ https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-and-local-finance-initiative/state-and-local-backgrounders/health-and-hospital-expenditures how do you want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:21 PM
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https://imgur.com/a/FLOBhdU ok my bad here is the relevant part yea the main mra sub has several issues...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 10:36 AM
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women dominated fields pay less is another great example to further inspect daycare or teacher or nurse salary... if feminists would just say everybody benefits from affordable daycare, parental leave, flexible hours, value of consent, parental surrender + 1 in 6 women and 1 in 9 men face sexual violence etc there would be less arguments with mras... the usual 77-83 cent for every dollar or women do not rape/abuse or the pink tax etc will face pushback because of several misleading reasons...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 09:14 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/s/qXmxgzpHqk
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 08:42 AM
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this sounds like most of your narrative is based on domestic violence and ignores/avoids a credible comparison between women + men... The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with ext…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 08:10 AM
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nah too ignorant and just happy to get past the 5% hurdle...
/r/MensRights16/04/25 09:51 PM
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all men because each man could be a predator... typical radfem basics...
/r/MensRights16/04/25 09:45 PM
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she pushes feminism each time there is a meeting of the parliament... if you ever listened to one of her speeches you would know she is a radfem...
/r/MensRights16/04/25 09:41 PM
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even then your numbers are false and the real numbers are based on an unodc study... 90% of suspects were men globally which does not equal to all of them are murderers or rapists or whatever... kinda convenient if women are legally not able to do certain crimes in various countries... not gonna ask how you want to hold putin or an african warlord or an arabic religious extremists accountable for their crimes... you avoid to provide a source for your claim... you may continue to distort data and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 05:09 PM
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your 96% is federal prosecution on domestic violence from us department of justice... you made it look like women just account for 4% of violent crime in total but the real number is 18% while 5% are unknown and men are victims 51% of the time compared to women 48%...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 04:42 PM
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no and thats the thing with rethoric and semantic games people like op play...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 04:14 PM
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what do you think about the following quote? "Here is a fallacy that is always presented. The murder rate of domestic partners is always given as a percent of total murder rate. So because men are killed at a much higher rates overall from other causes, it obscures the comparison in favor of women. Here is how it is done, data from Female Murder Victims and Victim-Offender Relationship, 2021 | Bureau of Justice Statistics Of the estimated 4,970 female victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaugh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 12:33 PM
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what do you think about the following quote? "Here is a fallacy that is always presented. The murder rate of domestic partners is always given as a percent of total murder rate. So because men are killed at a much higher rates overall from other causes, it obscures the comparison in favor of women. Here is how it is done, data from Female Murder Victims and Victim-Offender Relationship, 2021 | Bureau of Justice Statistics Of the estimated 4,970 female victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaugh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 12:25 PM
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yes most kings + leaders got voted for but i guess you talk about warlords who toppled a city or state...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:26 AM
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if you understand how nobility or principality worked you could say that... could you rule rome without backing of the senate?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:21 AM
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wants to be equal refuses to be equal... female crime and its darkfield: https://www-rbb--online-de.translate.goog/taeteropferpolizei/themen/frauenkriminalitaet.html?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=de&\_x\_tr\_pto=wapp
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 10:09 AM
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if you argue about this you have to start with tribalism -> chief and how monarchy got created... not voted for is false but you could explain how they got crowned...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:58 AM
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ofc wars stop as humans go extinct...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:54 AM
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ignorance most likely but if all men disappear humanity would go extinct and way before that society collapses as electricity goes down...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:52 AM
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such a misrepresentation of facts and spreading of misinformation... who shoves the man in front of an intruder or wild animal throughout history? what makes you believe this changed nowadays while 44% women voted trump?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:48 AM
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to argue with abortion if we talk about violence is disengenious i prefer stuff like this... female crime and its darkfield: https://www-rbb--online-de.translate.goog/taeteropferpolizei/themen/frauenkriminalitaet.html?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=de&\_x\_tr\_pto=wapp
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:38 AM
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are you blind? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BL9wYHEhwzs&pp=ygUeZmVtaW5pc3QgZGVtbyBlc2NhbGF0ZXMgYmVybGlu0gcJCX4JAYcqIYzv https://taz.de/Feministische-Take-back-the-night-Demo/!5851638/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:13 AM
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the first link leads to a video of a feminist demo escalating into violence... headline = youtube video...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:08 AM
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may i ask at which point a homocide becomes a femicide or at which point men and women are considered equal with fair distributed duties and responsibilities? would recommend to read the methodology report of the cdc's sexual violence survey before you compare men and women... what is misandry? "askwomennocensor" that said does anyone here know the backstories and details of what op posted? if men and women had no rights why do you have to gender it and how do you compare a dead body "starved, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:07 AM
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how about this violence... https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/EZ0Rfv7XYW https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/na7Sk1cVos https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/RWxNvXPYeB https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/X5KqXX375G female crime and its darkfield: https://www-rbb--online-de.translate.goog/taeteropferpolizei/themen/frauenkriminalitaet.html?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=de&\_x\_tr\_pto=wapp just to be clear i think victim olympics like op are silly but this sub is all about …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:02 AM
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the silly thing is we have data but people like op ignore it on purpose... The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-20…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:00 AM
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The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-2012 sexual violence survey 2012 rape vs made to penetrate "picture of releva…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:58 AM

do you shout allahu akbar and purge the non believers in your house?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:00 PM

well i would disagree here about feminists do not try to shut down anything that does not support and criticises feminism... that said it is silly to argue about free speech in front of an abortion clinic if said people shout "killer" or similiar things as some users here do...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:58 PM

if you talk about it normally with somebody sure but if you shout it to shame and intimidate a woman heading to the clinic certainly not...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:52 PM

similiar things happen in germany and it is disgusting to shame or block abortion... mens rights activists support legal abortion and condemn such pro life extremists...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:42 PM
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why do users here assume people are ok with women getting discriminated or violated? the main beef in this sub is about misrepresenting various issues and data...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:41 PM
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you can not say that about the majority of the population... bluepillers and feminists deny that... ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:32 AM
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wage gap and pay gap is not the same thing the wage gap exists because men work more hours than women even within the same job same qualification no matter if fulltime or parttime and all variables adjusted... we can look at policies from countries with a wage gap of lower than 1% to see what is effective "mainly parental leave + decent working conditions" to close the gap and to prevent misleading math -> conclusions... the nurse salary report + A higher proportion of male nurses (8%) hold an A…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:13 AM
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how would you tackle this to eliminate mandatory/forced gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:23 PM
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do you think a majority of women choosing a partner who earns more than her does contribute to that "forced gender role" or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:59 PM
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no not really... if we talk about the pay/wage gap people pretend the different types of women are the same to inflate the numbers... if you as a woman earn more than your partner it is pragmatic that he works parttime and cares for the children... except you both earn enough for a nanny to allow both working fulltime...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:53 PM
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seriously people are terrible at analyzing data and intermix stuff...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:47 PM
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you should explain equal pay based on which data that is not equal yet... within this argument ofcourse as i do not say there is no gap... workplace hours gap
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:39 PM
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sure if she earns more it is the same result and allows him to work parttime well it is illegal to pay less IF you output the same hours would be great to get invited by supermodels on their yacht partly true as it depends on how stuff gets funded and higher taxes takes away from people
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:20 PM
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i know what you are talking about but this problem has many layers... starting with consent to parenthood and consenting to a certain lifestyle within a relationship if you have choosen a liberal or conservative partner who earns more than you... if the government covers daycare the salary will be similiar to teachers but in my opinion schools should be built with daycare in mind... we can look at europe like sweden or germany how stuff like that evolves...
/r/MensRights13/04/25 05:04 AM
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yea men work too much hours under terrible conditions... prime example that a lot of feminists do not understand economy is daycare and its salary or cost...
/r/MensRights12/04/25 08:59 PM
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did you ever see a statistic, study or survey differentiating chores/unpaid labour -> liberal vs conservative households? if people consent to a certain split it will still be counted as whatever the narrative has to be... i just saw stuff about if men or women are happy with their situation in relationships...
/r/MensRights12/04/25 08:56 PM
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watching the disaster unfold...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 07:16 PM
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obviously... any credible mra condems unneccessary violence and supports womens rights for equality of opportunity "abortion, daycare, flexible hours, parental leave etc"
/r/MensRights12/04/25 05:24 AM
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not true but that might be your conclusion only... he intended to say stuff like supply chain or infrastructure work is mainly done by men and should be more equally distributed WHICH includes more men as nurses, teachers or women as police officers, construction workers and so on...
/r/MensRights12/04/25 05:19 AM
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the same could be said about women if they choose a partner and end up doing the majority of the chores at home...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 04:40 AM
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how about you tell your partner you earn more money and work more hours = you do less chores?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 04:34 AM
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thank you for your comments and post in this sub
/r/MensRights11/04/25 07:31 AM
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mens rights activism
/r/MensRights11/04/25 07:19 AM
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who said this is intended as gotcha? forced labour is always wrong...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:04 AM
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could you explain the difference between forced to do onlyfans vs mining coal to pay rent?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 06:27 AM
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i did read your comment + explanation with fitzgerald and it was good till "not said womens fault/idea" https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/White-Feather-Movement/ just to be clear we already agree that there are too many terrible men...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:02 AM
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pretty sad that you seem to not understand the context here... how do people here in this sub "look at op" compare men vs women and talk about statistics, studies, surveys, rights, equality and consent? examples: -womens work does not get valued "chores/care work" like daycare, nursing, teaching... almost nobody talks about the details here just to push a victim agenda... -women date the top 10% of alpha men who demand virginity and shame single mothers... men have to provide + protect and women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:05 AM
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agreed!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:20 AM
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that is certainly reasonable! that said talking about the hot topics becomes very quickly emotional on both sides and then any critique is considered as sexism...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:17 AM
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the first time talked about men and women in that light... let that sink in... yes 44% women voted trump = voted against their reproductive rights + are opposed to equal representation... btw regardless of that if we could vote it directly abortion would be legal everywhere...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:32 AM
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wow upvoted!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:31 AM
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you had such a great chance to be the change in this post but you placed it into sand with your comments... would you really argue that the 44% women who voted trump did not know what they are doing OR women who choose a partner "liberal or conservative" to have children with are not able to organize their own life as examples? do you really argue that all men had the idea to oppress or exploit people AND no women pushed the same in the shadows for personal gains? who do you think is responsible…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:02 AM
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true... that said i personally believe sex work should be accepted as normal work BUT exploitation has to end no matter the job or gender/sex... parenthood, upbringing of children and consent are the foundation we have to build rock solid in our society for true equality... btw radfems + radical conservatives probably will never accept this as it is against their entire identity...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 04:50 AM
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there is an extreme distrust and fear of various things but apparently men are not allowed to talk about that and women are praised for it if they talk about it... you got downvoted because reputation destruction is enough even if you are innocent as you could see with johnny depp vs amber heard... obviously if somebody is guilty of a crime they have to be punished...
/r/MensRights09/04/25 08:04 PM
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they also play rhetoric + semantic games about violence or equality or oppression and their definition to derail topics...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:05 AM
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how about this violence... https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/EZ0Rfv7XYW https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/na7Sk1cVos https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/RWxNvXPYeB https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/X5KqXX375G
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 09:50 AM
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cutting taking mens rights away from your comment? how about this violence... https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/EZ0Rfv7XYW https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/na7Sk1cVos https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/RWxNvXPYeB https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/X5KqXX375G
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:49 AM
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goalpost... you claimed certain subs dismiss violence against women AND glorify it...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:21 AM
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i rarely if ever see any women calling out other women... and if they do they are called pick mes... using your own words and logic but ok... =)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 07:19 AM
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true and mras have nothing to do with andrew tate or the faaar right etc even if he or they would call themself mra or whatever... critique of feminism and feminists is not misogyny...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 05:42 AM
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who does not? since we apparently live in a patriarchy thats THE standard and if women should be held to the same it is oppression... even equality of opportunity is seen as oppression as you can not consent to lifestyles/relationships/parenthood if there is no equality of outcome in society...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 05:35 AM
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funny how wookie defends subs like askfeminists or twox or feminism but ignores how the majority of said subs denounce all mra subs for similiar stuff like toxic behavior within their movement "radfems/terfs" and random incel statements... feminism vs mens rights activism pretty convenience that any critique = silencing women or taking their rights away...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 05:21 AM
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"quote from a mod of askfeminists" (topic - what mra get right) I think many of their complaints are legitimate-- that poor men are often exploited for dangerous, cheap labor; that there isn't much social or cultural support for male victims of sexual and domestic violence; that hegemonic masculinity can be stifling and fragile; that men and boys are lonelier than ever before; that male infant circumcision is still legal and widely practiced in some areas; etc. However, instead of directing thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 05:10 AM
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one comment dismantling their crusade in each post they try to derail is enough for the lurkers but yea im aware about this users history...
/r/MensRights08/04/25 10:23 AM
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oh yea blame the whole movement great activism! men work more hours under terrible conditions and thats poison for people who want children/families... you can claim thats more valued but it falls back to how said fields get funded and work life balance... schools and hospitals get funded by taxes and have to be affordable/provided for everybody which drains the salary for teachers or nurses... how does it look like with modeling -> women earn way more than men... i would say dropping working ho…
/r/MensRights08/04/25 05:34 AM
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if you must comment here how about you suggest stuff how to improve the situation instead of engaging in victim olympics... while i think this topic "constant fear" is silly if we look at the numbers i would still say talking about it helps people no matter their gender... i just explained what one other user said about conscription and answered your question... rape is also super unlikely 0,05% according to fbi data but im not dense enough to ignore the whole situation of sexual violence no mat…
/r/MensRights08/04/25 04:47 AM
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how would you react if i tell you to go to a country with low assault numbers? you do not know my country or my situation...
/r/MensRights07/04/25 08:30 PM
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any country with no gender neutral conscription probably... topic is silly but similiar to living in constant fear... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription
/r/MensRights07/04/25 08:16 PM
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askwomennocensor about misandry
/r/MensRights07/04/25 07:27 AM
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agree that safety is a human right... pls explain how we enact/execute safety/protection in our society for a better mutual understanding...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:48 AM
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feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 12:00 PM
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no children it is the best thing to do to force the government to act on social security till they see it as an investment no matter the gender or sex... if we look at the last election 44% women voted the hypocrit trump -> too many support the nuclear family and conservative values -> men provide + protect and women nurture + support... as i said i agree on the issues in society but we fail to tackle it properly or like a feminist like you would say dismantle the patriarchy... fathers do not fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:44 AM
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that stuff happened before capitalism and companies but you complain about that women get treated like men... if you would say we work too much hours under terrible conditions i agree but hard disagree on women most affected or mobility... equality of opportunity "including abortion, daycare, parental leave, flexible hours etc" does not guarantee equal outcomes... if you disagree here explain how you would dismantle patriarchy exactly...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:58 AM
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The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-2012 sexual violence survey 2012 rape vs made to penetrate "picture of releva…
/r/MensRights04/04/25 04:51 AM
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condolences
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:44 AM
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your arguments, sources, facts just stunned me wow... how about you go to a vent sub if you are not able to debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:38 AM
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kinda sad that you have no clue about how economy works and you spread misinformation by excluding various details... men never had basic autonomy as soon as there is any form of leadership and their labour gets exploited since there is work to be done... if you would argue in good faith you would push a fair gender neutral society instead of playing victim olympics...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:35 AM
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if you are born ugly and stupid your gender or sex does not matter... if you are born wealthy, beautiful, smart the world is ready to be taken down...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:29 AM
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the us and its people should look at other countries how they deal with paternity fraud...
/r/MensRights03/04/25 06:31 AM
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https://www-rbb--online-de.translate.goog/taeteropferpolizei/themen/frauenkriminalitaet.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
/r/MensRights03/04/25 05:43 AM
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well europe is way more feminist than the us... female crime and its darkfield: https://www-rbb--online-de.translate.goog/taeteropferpolizei/themen/frauenkriminalitaet.html?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=de&\_x\_tr\_pto=wapp guess how that translates to ipv... https://training.improdova.eu/en/data-and-statistics/data-and-statistics-in-germany/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3937531/ https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/08/17/over-60-of-women-in-poland-have-experienced-domestic…
/r/MensRights01/04/25 06:40 AM
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do working slaves count as trafficked? you know the people who build and die at the construction site or mine... examples world cup stadiums in middle east or mining resources in asia/africa etc...
/r/MensRights01/04/25 05:31 AM
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explain why it is not synonymous if we talk about responsibility + accountability... your pull the trigger analogy is absurd and bad faith... that said if i would argue and compare on the same level the menstrual cycle of a woman becomes a random deadly weapon... why are you opposed to gender neutral equal rights/laws like op demonstrated multiple times? "every man claiming is baby trapped" is a ragebait claim by op... on the same level of legal abortion leads to contraception gets discarded...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:33 AM
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it should be mandatory to get a confirmation for a vasectomy = problem solved...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 06:19 AM
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if a man leaves/divorces his wife because she forced him into parenthood/fatherhood after he clearly stated he does not want children or she cheated and got pregnant does he become a deadbeat dad? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlSwsE22nX0&pp=ygULdGVkIGRpdm9yY2U%3D we can argue about contraception or consent all day long but at the end both men and women act irresponsible way too often... double standards depending on who is affected are everywhere... btw women can drug men...oh and abortion shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 05:46 AM
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such a good read... upvoted!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 05:33 AM
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such a contract similiar to an ensurance would be acceptable if we talk about paper abortions but the details have to be talked about... if she decides to birth a child against his will "assuming she knew he does not want children" she acts irresponsible and endangers the upbringing of the child... contraception is a duty both men and women have to fullfill and in cases like your experiences with guys i would them deny any right to a paper abortion...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 05:28 AM
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i think askmen has a bigger and daily problem...
/r/MensRights30/03/25 10:44 AM
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sure if 100% women vote 51-100% men into elected positions while men have no right to vote it would be a patriarchy by your definition... anyways if you look at the last election 44% women voted trump and 44% men voted harris...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 06:18 PM
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this topic is silly but no democratic country is a patriarchy or matriarchy... if we would talk about +200 years ago, monarchy and dictatorships it becomes more interesting but still not crystal clear... we probably have to talk about who enacts/enforces rights/laws and why...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 05:06 PM
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how is it matriarchal exactly? sounds more like a plutocracy or how many wealthy people do you see at the battlefront? male disposability is a conservative product because of men provide + protect... men + women are conservative and push static gender roles... dictatorships are extremly conservative in their nature... no to conscription period! voluntary military service or your country is not worth it to be defended...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 04:51 PM
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most of this point is about the period and pregnancy but aside from that men + women are pretty similiar...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 04:46 PM
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askfeminists about lesbian divorce or dv alwaysright refuses to answer hence i looked at what feminists say about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:03 PM
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thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:45 AM
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do you think said things diminish womens rights or their experieces if we properly investigate? no obviously not but exaggeration and double standards happen...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:09 AM
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apparently rape, abortion, pay gap etc are also not an issue on the scale feminists suggest it is... ofcourse whilst i agree that the few serious cases are a problem... serious question after the silly words... why are you so adamant opposed to what op suggested or paper abortions or gender neutrality and similiar things?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:59 AM
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if a man leaves his wife because she forced him into parenthood/fatherhood after he clearly stated he does not want children does he become a deadbeat dad? we can argue about contraception or consent all day long but at the end both men and women act irresponsible way too often... double standards depending on who is affected are everywhere... oh and abortion should be legal ofcourse...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 08:17 AM
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oh i think you can sue her but if she wants to birth the child you are on the hook for child support...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:50 AM
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reread my comment if you missed "complications" but to be clear i support abortion and just dismantle your argument...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:48 AM
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unacceptable no matter the sex/gender BUT there is a double standard how we look at cases if a man or woman is affected as you can see in the comments and from your own words... you could provide more up to date sources but did choose not to so what exactly are you debating about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:46 AM
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some old guy who got voted by 44% women who apparently do not care about their reproductive rights... you are all over the place with your points and double standards...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:44 AM
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your point of view is super strange... if all people would act the way you expect them to abortion can be banned because it would not be needed with a few life endangering complications as exception...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:41 AM
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sue her with which goal in mind? do you know hermersmann v. seyer?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:37 AM
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i do not deny that but the claim in op was 90% of rapists are men which is false and i did disprove it...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 06:17 PM
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thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 06:14 PM
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can you provide a more up to date source on that topic and how to present it properly?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:53 PM
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where do you get your data from? ok lets talk about consent "including to parenthood" and upbringing of children...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:45 PM
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if you mention that give a qick summary of why said statistic or study is misrepresented in an edit of your comment here...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:41 PM
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i think the methodology was terrible = men + women have similiar numbers... it is debatable at which point exactly men + women can be considered as equals which leads to arbitary conclusions... ive seen that you are aware how bad people are at properly analyzing statistics, studies and surveys...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 03:59 PM
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tbh in my opinion the standard is that this fact already got accepted similiar to rape is a terrible crime... i certainly agree that a lot of people here have no clue what they are talking about and just spread toxic behavior + ragebait...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 03:04 PM
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it is pretty obvious that this is based on dating apps and not real life... that said what do you say about women choosing a partner who earns more than her for financial stability if she wants children?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:58 PM
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how about you properly present the data about divorce and single moms to shut them up? no half assed magazine conclusion or uncredible comparisons...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:52 PM
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depends on the point of view... if people marry or get children but actually should not it makes them look bad... this counts for men + women...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:37 PM
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yea pretty funny by op as the default in our society is men are the problem and disposable... never gets called out or punished is in their heads because of too much reddit...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:23 PM
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tradcons + redpillers get called out daily and their hypocrisy gets revealed... even tradcons like ben shapiro or michael knowles "dailywire" call out guys like andrew tate... feminists call out terfs and to some lesser extent radfems... the pay/wage gap, sexual violence and consent are prime examples of how people denigrate data...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:02 PM
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i call out any bullshit no matter who said it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:56 PM
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well you are the person who refuses to read, properly compare and analyze data so keep pushing your misinformation... violence is unacceptable no matter the sex/gender...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:52 PM
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do not let her push misinformation by rethoric/semantic games... it can not be 100% men because some women use a dildo or something similiar... anyways she ignores cdc data on rape vs made to penetrate...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:50 PM
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The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-2012 sexual violence survey 2012 rape vs made to penetrate "picture of releva…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:45 PM
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would add that people who can not afford the upbringing of children should avoid children if possible... agree with your comment...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 10:49 AM
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source? anyways the state should pay child support if it is too low...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 10:42 AM
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The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-2012 sexual violence survey 2012 rape vs made to penetrate "picture of releva…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:25 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlSwsE22nX0&pp=ygULdGVkIGRpdm9yY2U%3D
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:24 AM
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women do not drug men or steal sperm somewhere apparently... do you know hermersmann vs seyer?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:20 AM
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transparency in cases like that are daily life in germany for social security already if somebody needs a reference...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 08:17 AM
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men do not consent to children in healthy relationships? wow... how many men do abandon their children if they clearly consented? you have no numbers because nobody wants to differentiate properly...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:59 AM
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thats such a pro life/anti abortion comment... that said this applies to men and women...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:38 AM
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if men consent to his children most have no issue with supporting his children... it becomes unfair if he did not consent and the woman ignores this because she wants to birth the child = endangers the upbringing of her child... it becomes an issue if there is a custody dispute... it is an issue if he is a deadbeat and left after he consented... thats the scenario most people here argue about but ignore everything else... lawyer about divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 07:28 AM
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LOL... your whole crusade in this sub tells a different story... mras support a fair gender neutral society...
/r/MensRights27/03/25 07:19 AM
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mens rights activism
/r/MensRights27/03/25 07:17 AM
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conservative men + women signed it off... liberal men + women fought it... did you miss the current nato situation?
/r/MensRights27/03/25 07:09 AM
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44% of women voted the hypocrit trump... if we could vote it directly abortion would be legal...
/r/MensRights27/03/25 07:07 AM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48095118
/r/MensRights27/03/25 07:06 AM
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conservative men + women signed it off... liberal men + women fought it...
/r/MensRights27/03/25 06:53 AM
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The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-2012 sexual violence survey 2012 rape vs made to penetrate "picture of releva…
/r/MensRights27/03/25 06:42 AM
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sombody spreads internalized misogyny here -> missmenace
/r/MensRights27/03/25 06:39 AM
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some? it is the majority of mras who supports abortion... conservatives are men + women who are pro life... do your homework before you spread misinformation about mras...
/r/MensRights27/03/25 06:29 AM
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she is just bitter and has no clue about mens rights activism/advocates...
/r/MensRights27/03/25 06:27 AM
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equity is preferential treatment because you can not measure or compare equality in a credible way... mras support equality of opportunity -> which includes abortion, daycare, parental leave, flexible hours etc but not arbitary equality of outcome for several reasons...
/r/MensRights27/03/25 06:24 AM
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this is not a tradcon or redpill sub... our stance is no to conscription period but in countries were it can not be avoided it should be gender neutral...
/r/MensRights27/03/25 06:11 AM
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who said it is just womens fault? mainly conservatives men + women are at fault for static/forced gender roles...
/r/MensRights27/03/25 06:10 AM
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are you aware that the majority of mras support abortion?
/r/MensRights27/03/25 06:04 AM
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https://orwh.od.nih.gov/toolkit/recruitment/history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal this is the reason/basis of most feminist arguments about womens healthcare next to abortion + anecdotal evidence...
/r/MensRights26/03/25 08:56 AM

every post of op or radfems radiates anger towards men the way a hot stove radiates heat... suprisingly op defends trump, vance, crowder and other republicans because they treat single moms so well... ok on that last point i agree with you...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 05:51 AM
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stating that single parent households are a major cause of the crime rates AND all of their pro life propaganda but cutting on social security or divorce should be illegal did not happen i guess... probably a waste of time to post clips of several prominent republicans talking about single parenthood and the nuclear family... you have not seen it = did not happen is excellent if you avoid to look at it... your conclusions are wild...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:37 PM
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hatred of single moms applys to tradcons but maybe i have to remind you that trump, vance, crowder etc are conservatives... btw you are talking about the manosphere a lot or most men are x y z... incels are a small minority like terfs or radfems...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:49 PM
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nah not true hardcore tradcons are in relationships most of the time... the quality of conservative marriage is debatable but redpillers or puas are hypocrits regarding relationships...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:33 PM
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pretty obvious that she is not at fault then but the topic is men should not get mad about picky women... idk it seems like people ignore that men are not a monolith and even within this sub are seperated by several pills...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:30 PM

aslong as education is an everybody gets it for cheap thing in public schools etc -> its pay will be low... medical field is pretty broad and there is a difference in becoming a nurse or a doctor... some people have to inspect how hospitals are funded = nurse salary... if women choose a partner who earns more than her she will most likely take the larger part of childcare and chores... it is debatable which is more difficult and time consuming and if both consented to everything... do you know t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:34 AM

if she chooses a partner who earns more it is pretty likely that she will stay at home to raise the children if they do not earn enough for full daycare or nanny etc the question here is did he or she consent to the "gender role + lifestyle" here or not...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:26 AM

did any user here compare the salary of single men vs women? abortion, daycare, parental leave, flexible hours etc are a part of equal opportunity but aslong as our society is not gender neutral equality stays a theory... the issue here is not that women earn less it is that men work way too much in unhealthy conditions -> pregnancy/upbringing of children becomes unsustainable even if both work...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:21 AM

equality of opportunity does not guarantee equal outcomes... that said mainly men enforce rights + laws and maintain infrastructure = hardpower... men have also the bulk of the hardest jobs + worst working conditions in our society paired with death, injury, mental strain... how do you "or any user here" want to equalize that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:26 AM

wage gap and pay gap is not the same thing the wage gap exists because men work more hours than women even within the same job same qualification no matter if fulltime or parttime and all variables adjusted... we can look at policies from countries with a wage gap of lower than 1% to see what is effective "mainly parental leave + decent working conditions" to close the gap and to prevent misleading math -> conclusions... the nurse salary report + A higher proportion of male nurses (8%) hold an A…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:22 AM
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sexual violence survey 2012 rape vs made to penetrate "picture of relevant part" depending on the format -> page 19+26 or 32+40 no need to exaggerate and i would also say op did a bad job talking about false accusations... btw in the 2016 report the overall numbers were 47% women and 43% men experienced sexual violence in their lifetime...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 03:05 PM
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keep in mind this sub is about ragebait... personally i try to avoid victim olympics as it does not solve issues and is misleading in a lot of cases... op about study/survey validity
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 09:19 AM
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if you claim women have the short stick -> i would have to ask based on what exactly? anyways op wants to talk about how dangerous false accusations + uncredible comparisons are but most users here push whataboutism and double standards... i provided comparable sexual violence data to negate that point...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 08:36 AM
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depends on the format but for me it was 19 + 26 if you look at the paper itself and 32 + 40 on my phone scrolling
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 08:00 AM
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sexual violence survey 2012 rape vs made to penetrate "picture of relevant part"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:55 AM
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in both cases it is misleading BUT here he did not started it... realistic ad and similiar feminists do it daily...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:54 AM
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The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-2012 would be better to use this if you want to compare sexual violence... fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:32 AM
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The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-2012
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:29 AM
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The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-2012
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:27 AM
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anecdotal evidence is mostly irrelevant if we talk about statistics...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:14 AM
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(We can disagree on what solution best fixes a problem, that’s normal. But modern politics is disagreeing about who deserves civil rights and protection under the law and that shit isn’t normal. Differences in ethics and morals are integral to any relationship.) the entire op and your comments ignore that men have no reproductive rights "even under roe v. wade"... men also lack equal protection under the law... here you are talking about proper research, morality and wannabe equality... IF sex i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 06:03 AM
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if sex is consent to parenthood we can ban abortion with some exceptions to protect the life of the woman... that said if he clearly stated he does not want children and she ignores this SHE is responsible for endangering the upbringing...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 05:58 AM
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if sex is consent to parenthood we can ban abortion with some exceptions to protect the life of the woman... that said if he clearly stated he does not want children and she ignores this SHE is responsible for endangering the upbringing...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 05:53 AM
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feminism achieved a lot by plagiarism...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/25 07:13 AM
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well even within feminism they disagree on topics as you can see with libfems, radfems and terfs... i think a large part of radfems may be mentally ill... feminist branches
/r/MensRights20/03/25 05:31 AM
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could you explain how this post is hating on women if it says "not blame women" it is on us? are comparisons of treatment hateful? i guess patriarchy theory is hateful aswell then... that said im no fan of victim olympics as it does not solve the issues...
/r/MensRights20/03/25 05:14 AM
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my guess would be "makes no sense otherwise" if he does not want to be a father and she insists to birth a baby she acts irresponsible and endangers the upbringing of a child
/r/MensRights19/03/25 01:47 PM
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based
/r/MensRights19/03/25 01:43 PM
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well even within feminism they disagree on topics as you can see with libfems, radfems and terfs... i think a large part of radfems may be mentally ill... feminist branches
/r/MensRights19/03/25 07:47 AM
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indeed! alienating either men or women will cost many votes... specially if you think about a family point of view... single men are like 12,5% of the population...
/r/MensRights19/03/25 06:28 AM
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NO it could not jump into the voting bloc because you would lose like 75% of voters by focusing on men... gender neutrality would be the way to go... that said the party would have to focus on upbringing of children, parental leave, parental surrender, working conditions, consent etc because most issues for men evolve from that... https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/05/family-households-still-the-majority.html
/r/MensRights19/03/25 06:02 AM
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yea i think a party like that has to push gender neutrality to have any chance to get enough votes... as soon as you state a focus on men 75% of voters are gone... 12,5% of the population are single men...
/r/MensRights19/03/25 05:53 AM
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i have the pdf but you can google the sexual violence survey from 2010-2012... they move the site somehow = link does not work after some time... sexual violence survey 2012 rape vs made to penetrate "picture of relevant part"
/r/MensRights18/03/25 01:43 PM
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the people who complain about patriarchy push equality of outcome
/r/MensRights18/03/25 08:12 AM
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The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded with extremely similar language.[10] sexual violence survey 2010-2012
/r/MensRights18/03/25 08:08 AM
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thats certainly a factor but the foundation is women can get pregnant and a government needs a supply of people... who cares about that said women should not be mothers...
/r/MensRights18/03/25 08:00 AM
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it is a big deal because marriage gets devalued as people who should not marry do it... it is a big deal because the government intervenes in your marriage... this is similiar with abortion as people have unprotected sex = the risk of a pregnancy skyrockets... that said divorce and abortion should be a normal thing in our society... you care too much about hypocrits...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 07:39 AM
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the title is a fallacy... quality is trash because of the quantity... the rest is a dump on deadbeat fathers and the manosphere...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 07:22 AM
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another reason to push a gender neutral society... pls do not assert this would ignore or not dismantle barriers... fair society
/r/MensRights18/03/25 05:38 AM
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thats what i implied by a fair gender neutral society but as you can see even that is not obvious but a nebulus patriarchy and dismantling it apparently should be... xD how do you achieve a fair gender neutral society if we ignore or not dismantle barriers? that is a contradiction... it all starts with upbringing of children, parenthood, marriage and evolves from that but we can talk about random stuff "pay gap, representation, consent to lifestyles" for hours till we come to this point...
/r/MensRights17/03/25 08:01 PM
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i did not say patriarchal structures do not exist... i said how most feminists present it is terrible... equality of opportunity is just possible if we have a fair gender neutral society...
/r/MensRights17/03/25 07:25 PM
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committal to what exactly? that there are terrible men? YES THERE ARE TOO MANY!!! can we focus on solutions now? you asked me about failure numbers before we even talked about how a parenting license "test" should look like...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 03:46 PM
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you asked how many men would fail and my answer is many men and women would fail
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 03:38 PM
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we have a different point of view looking at this problem but still recognize it as an issue...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 03:27 PM
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many would fail a parenthood license no matter the gender... op and you want to talk about how men fail at fatherhood which is fine but i want to talk about the whole picture of parenthood + marriage/relationship... yes there are deadbeat fathers and terrible husbands leaving their wifes for no obvious good reason... btw if trump "hypocrit clown" creates a parenthood license i doubt many non conservatives would be happy with it...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 03:12 PM
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trump is a hypocrit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 02:25 PM
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ok i would agree on your topic if it would be a stand alone statement... marriage gets devalued in quality because of quantity... financial benefits by the government play a role here aswell... personally i do not care what redpillers say about marriage or divorce... lets focus on conservative and liberal relationships/marriage... single parents get shamed because people assume reckless and naive behavior... i think this gets blown out of proportion similiar to abortion... deadbeat parents would…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 12:38 PM
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equal opportunity "including abortion, parental leave, daycare, flexible hours etc" does not guarantee equal outcomes... most mras have a problem with patriarchy "and feminism" because of how feminists frame and act on it -> generally how feminists "specially radfems+terfs" tackle issues... built by men to benefit men "dictatorship" is disengenius to say the least if you think about which role conservative women played to build our democratic society... nowadays look at the last election result …
/r/MensRights17/03/25 06:42 AM
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thats a feminist rethoric game about patriarchy... is iran or somalia or north korea a patriarchy? they jump back and forth even if you specified we talk about the western world = democratic countries...
/r/MensRights17/03/25 06:31 AM
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askwomennocensor about misandry most radfem screamers online are fully aware of mary p koss or andrea dworkin and so on... do you know the book "invisible women"? +12k reviews on amazon and a libfem bible basically...
/r/MensRights17/03/25 06:02 AM
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i think it is enough if you tell them in real life that society has to be gender neutral to allow true equality of opportunity... if they ask what you think about feminism or patriarchy how do you respond? what if you talk about an issue and they derail the topic with whataboutism or women most affected?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/25 07:07 PM
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radfem screamers are the majority of online feminists but libfems outnumber them vastly in real life
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/25 12:07 PM
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feminism vs mens rights activism mens rights activism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/25 11:59 AM
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askwomennocensor about misandry
/r/MensRights16/03/25 07:26 AM
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idk seems to be poorly worded to be able to reach 10k... change it to a gender neutral definition sounds better
/r/MensRights15/03/25 06:26 PM

this is a debate sub with rage bait as foundation... if you want no people jumping in your conversation use private message but i will leave you alone as you asked me to...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 03:46 PM

ok then the last 3200 years as it started with ancient israel? curious how much you know about it... do not ignore the eunuchs...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 03:21 PM

if we talk about history where do we start with the fight for resources and which roles men and women played? -stone age? -ancient egypt? -roman empire/greek empire? -the last 500 years? how do you evaluate who has it harder? a boy who gets forced to become a soldier for the meatgrinder or a girl who gets forced to marry and birth children? how do you compare dead bodies? the entire human history is full of cruelty + suffering and men + women fought to create human rights...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 03:06 PM

https://www.epfweb.org/node/857 https://www.britannica.com/science/US-abortion-rights-by-state-2236312 are you sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 01:20 PM

the point here is most feminists complain about that men and women do not have equal outcomes... they wave away your bias in pay based on profession as sexism... tbh it would be more honest to say men and women do not have equal opportunity without abortion, daycare, parental leave, flexible hours etc... ok imagine there are no schools and just private teachers who can just be paid by wealthy people... at that point you can compare them to business coaches or personal trainers...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 12:40 PM

it would be enough to criticise the misrepresentation of gender gaps and that people are terrible at analyzing data... you both talk past each other... teachers would earn as much as engineers if we scrap that everybody has a right to education simple as that... should jobs generally have a better salary? certainly... who cares about how various stuff gets funded... /s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 11:06 AM

https://orwh.od.nih.gov/toolkit/recruitment/history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 09:24 AM
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i think they are talking about a wife washing his dishes or clothes "if you have a machine not hard" and not getting appreciated -> paid for it... i wonder how many chores you have to do to pay rent or buy food if expenses are not split 50-50... the silly thing here is they ignore conservative women consenting to be a stay at home mother but add it in their statistics, studies and surveys as unfair treatment in relationships... that said if stuff at home is split 50-50 and one party slacks off i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/25 08:43 AM

upvoted
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:39 AM

more likely a victim of whatever is not true and just a clever rethoric trick... as examples... who compares rape and made to penetrate numbers? who compares fgm vs mgm? who investigates domestic violence properly -> who started it, who does it daily, what was done and so on... would you say "more likely or gender dominated" if the numbers are like 51% vs 49%? to get past stuff like that we have to tackle said issues in a gender neutral way anyways...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:37 AM

do you know why most medical research is/was done with male volunteers? (i know it and can provide a source if you do not know) equality of opportunity "abortion, parental leave, daycare, flexible hours etc" does not guarantee equality of outcome... lets work on a fair gender neutral society together... op and many others compare apples to oranges in a non credible way to claim oppression or privilege... playing victim olympics is not helpful and does not solve the issues in society...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:31 AM

-mens rights groups do not deny misogyny and also do not slut shame "you are talking about redpillers or tradcons" but criticising feminists gets translated to misogyny... if you want to judge the whole movement because of individual *diots lets talk about terfs or radfems aswell... -statistics, studies, surveys should be analyzed properly else the data is useless... where did you compare men and women in a credible way? i see a lot of assumptions and bad faith... -women also built the system "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 06:59 AM
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in an overexaggerated way game of thrones probably if you know the tv show
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 01:32 PM
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well the fight for resources drove humans into war since there are tribes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 01:27 PM
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just depends on the question asked... the assertion is that men always had all rights because they created and enforced them... ok how to get past this? id say a gender neutral society...
/r/MensRights14/03/25 07:29 AM
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radical feminists claim within a patriarchy consent is not really possible... anyways you may assert this but did you ask a million tradcons and liberals if they are happy with their lifestyle and choices? nobody here will be able to change your mind/view and respond based on their personal value system...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 07:16 AM
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your argument is not based on a fair comparison no matter how you frame it... it boils down to are we able to consent to lifestyles + gender roles or not...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:59 AM
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the devil is in the detail... how a balanced relationship looks like in practice is based on consenting to a certain lifestyle "fullfillment, appreciation, resting" and how much value/time you put into certain tasks "example chores" if you as a person value your job more than chores you probably choose a partner supporting you and vice versa... the issues start if your partner changes his mind or thinks the distribution is not fair regardless if it was fair... if both are not well rested if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:59 AM
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Women voted in Revolutionary America, over a hundred years before the 19th Amendment to the United States Constitution guaranteed that right to women nationally in 1920.
/r/MensRights13/03/25 08:42 PM
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would you say there was a patriarchy globally anywhere like for example in islamic countries "sharia law" or generally dictatorships or for a brief time in the us when women lost the vote? if feminists argue about this they will certainly claim patriarchy is no myth "jumping back and forth" based on global data... after that they will claim any republican government = patriarchal rule that oppresses women -> abortion + numbers of women as representatives... citing distorted statistics, studies, …
/r/MensRights13/03/25 08:38 PM
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i think public mras would get more traction if they focus on consent, parenthood/upbringing of children and generally a gender neutral society... most public feminists claim men and women are not equal till they have equal outcomes... arguing about who has more or less rights and participating in victim olympics is a deadend...
/r/MensRights13/03/25 05:47 PM
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mras do not mock or insult single moms or dads... we talk about consent and how to tackle upbringing of children properly... which also includes parental surrender "abortion" or adoption... if you conclude criticising anybody translates to hate why do you even participate in a debate sub? that said the redpill is hypocritical about parenthood and marriage not just single moms...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 07:21 AM
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both should be held accountable but i doubt you care about consent or the wellbeing of children or equal accountability after reading your posts... be consistent at least if you talk about bad parents or hypocrisy...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 07:10 AM
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weak... imagine pro lifers expecting women to raise the children they created instead of aborting them... imagine redpillers blaming women and men for their bad choices in life... imagine women who do not abort while knowing the possible father does not want children and endanger the upbringing... imagine bluepillers or feminists use deadbeat incorrectly in too much cases to devalue it...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 07:08 AM
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i think you underestimate the amount of baby trapping and mothers who are abusive...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 06:39 AM
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feminism vs mens rights activism how would you describe yourself and tackle the issues in our society?
/r/MensRights13/03/25 06:27 AM
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do not shoot the messenger... you asked what they think and i provided the requested info...
/r/MensRights12/03/25 08:22 PM
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askwomennocensor about misandry to add on that i will quote a mod from askfeminist: (topic - what mra get right) I think many of their complaints are legitimate-- that poor men are often exploited for dangerous, cheap labor; that there isn't much social or cultural support for male victims of sexual and domestic violence; that hegemonic masculinity can be stifling and fragile; that men and boys are lonelier than ever before; that male infant circumcision is still legal and widely practiced in so…
/r/MensRights12/03/25 07:26 PM
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they talk about unpaid labour like chores at home in a relationship with children... they talk about equality of outcome in various areas... they talk about abortion... they hide various details to distort data and then compare men vs women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 10:53 AM
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i never said you should vote republican or democrat... you assume tackling it properly = anti immigration but thats a faulty conclusion... how you define opposed to or anti women is something you have to explain before i talk about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 10:18 AM
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no... that said i got called a feminist here and a rightwing bigot in feminist spaces... which is kinda funny if i think about my value system... purplepilldebate feminists about equality ill repeat it again... to clarify something about feminism... -radical feminists say feminism is about liberating women and not about equality... -liberal feminists say men and women do not have equal opportunity till they have equal outcomes... both believe in patriarchal oppression but fail to explain when ex…
/r/MensRights12/03/25 09:56 AM
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vote people who tackle it properly or even better join a political party to do it yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:18 AM
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it is annoying and taxing but probably the only way to make a real change happen...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:37 AM
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i would not say that because... radical feminist screamers are not the majority and liberal feminists advocate equality... do you really claim that foreign aid or globalism are no feminist topics? do you want feminists to invade the middle east to liberate women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:31 AM
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the last election showed that 44% women voted for trump... do all of them not care about equality or womens rights? to me it seems like feminists overexaggerate or distort dynamics "dv or pay gap or power" in democratic societies in various areas... the issue here is this makes it look like feminists are hypocritical if they talk about a topic like oppression or patriarchy... liberating women "from shackles men put on them" is also very blurry to say the least... that said libfems outnumber radi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 05:36 AM

<image> would you say the democrats have to compensate for the republicans or do you expect conservatives to stop being conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 08:14 PM

could you explain how you would tackle this issue to fix it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 08:02 PM

at which point the world or society is not built for men as default? in other words how do you differentiate between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome... are people able to consent to gender roles or liberal vs conservative lifestyles and how to structure competence hierarchies?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 07:35 PM
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that is no suprise if you need to feed bodies to the military or mines etc and keep them quiet if their offspring dies... if russia would be a democracy instead of a dictatorship or if just mothers decide who is the president i could agree with you... currently the structures in russia contradict patriarchy and matriarchy as it is a mix somewhat... btw putins cabinet has 2 women and he himself is in power since 25 years...
/r/MensRights11/03/25 05:06 AM
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i agree that conservatives are responsible for male disposability BUT aslong as you are able to consent to it instead of paternalized to it ill accept it... mras can be liberal and conservative but maybe we have to talk about at which point you become a mra or feminist... terfs are basically the conservatives of feminism...
/r/MensRights10/03/25 07:34 PM
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how can you call that matriarchy instead of gynocentrism? most dictatorships are extremly conservative in its nature because of various reasons... feminists get way more hate here than actual dictators which is somewhat insane...
/r/MensRights10/03/25 07:22 PM
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my point here is radical feminists are the loudest screamers "many probably mentally ill" but there are several feminists who say patriarchy = forced gender roles in a neutral way that said at which point are you a feminist or mra?
/r/MensRights10/03/25 01:05 PM
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they all believe in patriarchy but not all of them say men = patriarchy -> oppress women... forced gender roles oppress people... do you know camille paglia?
/r/MensRights10/03/25 11:49 AM
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they all believe in patriarchy but not all of them say men = patriarchy -> oppress women... forced gender roles oppress people... do you know camille paglia?
/r/MensRights10/03/25 11:48 AM
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would you defend your home + family and they defend you? to go further why should people work for the police or as firefighter if everybody just looks after himself? i would also not fight a foreign war for greedy politicians but i would have fought for human rights/liberty... no to conscription!
/r/MensRights10/03/25 10:11 AM
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the issue here is who do you put under which umbrella and why... my comment to your op feminism is part of a problem but not the root of it... feminists certainly do not circumcise or draft us... we should talk about how we could achieve a gender neutral society and why it is probably needed for equal opportunity...
/r/MensRights10/03/25 06:03 AM
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nah the average real life feminist is a libfem and the average online feminist is radical...
/r/MensRights10/03/25 06:01 AM
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just to clarify something about feminism... -radical feminists say feminism is about liberating women and not about equality... -liberal feminists say men and women do not have equal opportunity till they have equal outcomes... both believe in patriarchal oppression but fail to explain when exactly patriarchy "conservatism basically" would be gone if people "men + women" consent to this lifestyle... where is the line between consent and paternalism? yes feminists lean towards communism / sociali…
/r/MensRights10/03/25 05:43 AM
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where would you draw the line between consenting to certain gender roles and paternalistic gender roles? you are talking about redpill influencers and the manosphere is an umbrella term similiar to feminism which would include -> liberal feminists, radical feminists, terfs etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:44 PM
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what is the manosphere in your opinion? mens rights activism you are right that men should work hand in hand with said movements BUT how that looks like is another story... men fought for rights and laws since there are said things already... feminism vs mens rights activism that said it probably boils down to upbringing of children and marriage / family structures = conservatism vs liberalism...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 06:05 PM
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probably pointless to argue with feminists about this... you can have infinite facts or evidence and they will be ignored...
/r/MensRights09/03/25 02:08 PM
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just to clarify something about feminism... -radical feminists say feminism is about liberating women and not about equality... -liberal feminists say men and women do not have equal opportunity till they have equal outcomes... both believe in patriarchal oppression but fail to explain when exactly patriarchy "conservatism basically" would be gone if people "men + women" consent to this lifestyle... personally i just ask them how they would solve certain issues in society and try to avoid to arg…
/r/MensRights09/03/25 08:02 AM
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leave and ignore her? you are not able to convert...
/r/MensRights09/03/25 07:02 AM
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the problems start if you ask what patriarchy is and how to get rid off it...
/r/MensRights08/03/25 09:05 PM
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how should or could we help you? we are not able to change minds of people but i would tell you to avoid confrontations like that...
/r/MensRights08/03/25 07:51 PM
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if you argue or talk with feminists all they want is that you listen and agree how hard it is to be an oppressed woman but they do not want anything that does not support feminism
/r/MensRights08/03/25 06:01 PM
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askwomennocensor about misandry
/r/MensRights08/03/25 05:47 PM
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if you argue with feminists about this no amount of evidence or clever statements will be enough and credible sources will be ignored their main point here is that the % of women in leading positions is lacking -> equality of outcome argument for representation women vote and can join political parties to be elected -> last election result by sex men and women built our current society but the distribution of responsibilities is not equal from its core how did dictators come to power and how doe…
/r/MensRights08/03/25 06:54 AM
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tbh hollywood is terrible at writing decent characters no matter the gender... for one decent there are like 100 terrible... star wars and alien pioneered "strong" women but you can count characters like that on one hand basically compared to the flood of media everywhere... would you say wonder woman, atomic blonde, aeon flux, resident evil, black widow and similiar are just about sexy but useless women? what about lord of the rings, matrix, harry potter, jurassic park, the fifth element, star …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:29 PM
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probably pointless to argue with feminists about misogyny vs misandry... you can have infinite facts or evidence and they will be ignored...
/r/MensRights07/03/25 09:56 PM
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any methodology report?
/r/MensRights07/03/25 03:57 PM
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did you ever see a study or survey differentiating between conservative and liberal households on that topic? most feminists and media focus on relationships with children and wash away consent... they claim men dictate that women have to do the chores and compare "unpaid work" with jobs...
/r/MensRights07/03/25 11:13 AM
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the sad thing here is feminists "specially radicals + terfs" shame men on a regular basis for showing emotions... people are terrible at differentiating and feminism fails to recognize how girls + women enforce this by saying stuff like men built + uphold patriarchy... personally i would say if i can not open up in front of my gf or wife she is not worth it to be with...
/r/MensRights07/03/25 08:05 AM
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obviously men built + uphold the ominous patriarchy "gynocentrism" /s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 07:21 AM
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the way you talk about this is patriarchy = conservatism and its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support... the sad thing here is feminists "specially radicals+terfs" shame men on a regular basis for showing emotions... people are terrible at differentiating and feminism fails to recognize how girls + women enforce this by saying stuff like men built + uphold patriarchy...
/r/MensRights07/03/25 06:32 AM
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if we look at the details women also vote "conservative" as you saw in the last election result = disengenious to say men barred women... do you know the white feather movement or rostker v. goldberg? before you bring up that there are more men in parliament etc equality of outcome is not guaranteed with equal opportunity... that said we certainly need more women to join political parties to allow more women to be elected... personally i would consider abortion "12 states have strict restriction…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 10:21 AM
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no they had not equal responsibilities if we look at human history... you are mainly talking about the industrial revolution "roughly 80 years" and the family structures there but past that how rights evolved after a country or city was funded gets misrepresented... if you would discuss this in good faith it could be interesting...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 09:55 AM
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i thank technology for that but some people still confuse equality of opportunity with equality of outcome... that is a silly thing to say no matter if its men or women who went on strike... how does a gender neutral society look like in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 09:44 AM
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dv research
/r/MensRights06/03/25 09:14 AM
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dv research
/r/MensRights06/03/25 09:11 AM
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where did you link to anything? i saw you mentioned rainn or fbi but apparently were too lazy to do the work... anyways you ignored that the original commenter said women are the main initiators and did not ask him for a source... 32,6% are unclear in that data about lesbians... the data about hetero + bi people are unclear aswell to a certain extent... distinction and differentiation are lacking extremly...
/r/MensRights06/03/25 08:09 AM
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Lesbian. The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. The study notes that, out of those 43.8%, two thirds (67.4%) reported exclusively female perpetrators. AND dv research NOTE i did not make this point and just provide a quoted source to discuss about...
/r/MensRights06/03/25 06:56 AM
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would have violated his penis as soon as i found out to be honest
/r/MensRights06/03/25 06:52 AM
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uff you can quote from a cdc study while providing a link to the study i quoted from including methodology...
/r/MensRights06/03/25 06:45 AM
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this was about disparity to delienate by gender and double standards...
/r/MensRights06/03/25 06:43 AM
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not really as women also can poke holes into condoms, lie about the pill, remove contraception during sex or abuse already dumped condoms to impregnate them... either way it should be a crime period...
/r/MensRights06/03/25 06:36 AM
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the majority of mras support abortion as part of equal opportunity... same story with parental leave, daycare, flexible hours and so on...
/r/MensRights06/03/25 06:28 AM
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it is fishy that most data about women showing them in a bad light is missing or incomplete... thats not just in the domestic violence area... btw im glad you revealed how feminists push their women are oppressed narrative for example if they talk about rape or the pay gap... how about you comment something useful and productive with sources + quotes?
/r/MensRights06/03/25 06:20 AM
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do you tell that feminists aswell if they claim men oppress women because the republicans won an election and just 10% less women voted for them?
/r/MensRights06/03/25 06:13 AM
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just to clarify something about feminism... -radical feminists say feminism is about liberating women and not about equality... -liberal feminists say men and women do not have equal opportunity till they have equal outcomes... both believe in patriarchal oppression but fail to explain when exactly patriarchy "conservatism basically" would be gone if people "men + women" consent to this lifestyle... personally i just ask them how they would solve certain issues in society and try to avoid to arg…
/r/MensRights05/03/25 08:59 PM
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you still did not get it that you have no argument or debate about false accusations with unknown numbers... pretty nice that you explained why you have no clue about this topic and just spammed data that got terrible analyzed by you...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 05:57 AM
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men could get in trouble in various ways as we saw in the jordan neely case... most women in this post said they would be proud but neglect how this also pushes the protector role for men... that said personally i would also help regardless of my relationship status...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 09:09 PM
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it is kinda sad that op does not realize how various details like that invalidates how he uses the data... if you want to dig into this topic read about the methodology of said studies and compare it to the conclusions of op... btw rainn data is no exception to this but it is easy to jump back and forth to claim several studies or surveys say x y z... askfeminists about the 1 in 5 study "not nationally representative" cdc rape numbers are misleading "time magazine" setting the record straight on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:37 AM
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if the next 5 presidents are republican women do you think this will be better for women than bernie sanders? if the political parties consist of 90% women but the elected president is a man "voted by women + men" do you consider this equal? to get to a fair gender neutral society we have to start with upbringing of children and marriage...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:57 AM
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your point here is pretty silly but i will use it as an example... if the next 5 presidents are republican women do you think this will be better for women than bernie sanders? if the political parties consist of 90% women but the elected president is a man "voted by women + men" do you consider this equal? to get to a fair gender neutral society we have to start with upbringing of children and marriage...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 09:54 AM
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i do whatever i want and advocate for credible investigations... your wall of text just shows you have no clue about sa or false accusations... =) askfeminists about the 1 in 5 study "not nationally representative" cdc rape numbers are misleading "time magazine" setting the record straight on 1 in 5 "time magazine" here are some numbers about victimized men for comparison... sexual abuse & assault of boys & men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:01 AM
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ok ill say it again... unknown numbers = no argument to debate about overexaggeration... btw here is a quote about rape vs made to penetrate: The CDC found in the 2012 data that 1.715 million[9] (up from 1.267 million in 2010)[10] reported being "made to penetrate" another person in the preceding 12 months, similar to the 1.473 million[9] (2010: 1.270 million)[10] women who reported being raped in the same time period. The definitions of rape and "made to penetrate" in the CDC study were worded …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 06:46 AM
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you quoted the privilege part because you wanted to focus on it instead of the 2 other sentences about rights... it is quite funny how you operate but what you do is not debating... you are on a crusade against patriarchy and i wish you good luck...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:56 PM
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radical feminists claim feminism is about liberation of women and not equality
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:24 PM
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radical feminists claim feminism is about liberation of women and not equality
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:22 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_for_Men_v._Selective_Service_System
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 10:57 PM
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we argue about who has more rights or is more oppressed instead of brainstorming about how to achieve a gender neutral society... advantaging one sex just leads to a greater divide in the upbringing of children + marriage department and most issues evolve from that... if the democrats did their job properly the republicans would lose each election if they do not adapt just by revealing possibilities... for the democrats it starts within their party and for liberals generally in their life...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 04:19 PM
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ok first i do not care about what op says regarding patriarchy... second my question is about is it even possible to get rid of the patriarchy if people choose to support it at free will... third where is the line between consent to a certain lifestyle and paternalism?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 03:17 PM
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may i ask you if women are able to consent to a liberal or conservative lifestyle? equal opportunity and equality of outcome is not the same thing... specially if we talk about representation in parliaments and leading positions in companies... i agree that the numbers of women should be higher but we tackle this the wrong way... partisanship by gender <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 02:49 PM
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why waste time just go at it from the start lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 02:23 PM
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men and women do not have and probably will never have the same rights sadly... it starts with upbringing of children and marriage... your second part is basically the equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome argument... may i ask you if women are able to consent to a conservative or liberal lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 02:22 PM
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how are you suprised if ragebait is the core of this sub and almost all posts in it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 02:18 PM
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abortion should be legal
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 02:16 PM
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humans nowadays have rights no matter the gender... do you know the history of human rights? could link to it but you will not look at it anyways...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 02:14 PM
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selective service in the us violates the constitution... https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/gxpBk9kA2a
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 02:01 PM
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im somewhat suprised he did not say that trump wants to terminate elections or bodily autonomy and similiar things... as i said if people push this narrative of men taking womens rights away we could go through the consitution and election results...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 01:49 PM
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could you explain at which point patriarchy would be gone if women continue to consent to becoming conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 01:46 PM
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if you know how to analyze data properly you may be able to compare the findings... you said and i quote we do not know the missing x% and i reponded with we know it but americans close their eyes...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 01:44 PM
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no not really but if you insist on using stoneage american sources instead of looking at up to date european data sure continue to spread misinformation
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 01:38 PM
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wage gap and pay gap is not the same thing the wage gap exists because men work more hours than women even within the same job same qualification no matter if fulltime or parttime and all variables adjusted... we can look at policies from countries with a wage gap of lower than 1% to see what is effective "mainly parental leave + decent working conditions" to close the gap and to prevent misleading math -> conclusions... the nurse salary report + A higher proportion of male nurses (8%) hold an A…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 01:33 PM
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proof for what be more specific... if we talk about pay/wage gaps all you would have to look at is europe and how the countries there tackle this issue...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 01:31 PM
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in front of the laws and rights yes (gender neutrality) biology wise no
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 12:22 PM
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yes absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 12:19 PM
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men and women do not have and probably will never have the same rights sadly... it starts with upbringing of children and marriage...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 12:17 PM
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oh men do a lot of stuff if we think about the history of human rights... https://ncfm.org/ why do feminists blame men for the issues in society?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 12:14 PM
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not really true as the majority of men agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 12:00 PM
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who said i wanted to oppose what you said?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:59 AM
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dictatorships are patriarchal indeed... men and women are oppressed within it and we do not have to compare dead bodies or enslaved people to know that...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:52 AM
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askwomennocensor about misandry i think you are not aware about to which great lenghts they will go... they also ignore the role of conservative women if you look at the last election result...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:47 AM
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im no feminist jfyi but you have to be consistent if you talk about this topic...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:40 AM
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true but even then it also affects men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:38 AM
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patriarchy "how feminists define it" is basically conservatism and its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support... it is way more interesting to ask at which point the so called patriarchy is gone in practice? another interesting question is at which point men and women are equal or considered equal? (the usual equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome argument) we could go through the constitution and each amendment to argue about this... btw i consider parental leave…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 11:22 AM
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askwomennocensor about misandry
/r/MensRights01/03/25 11:09 AM
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everything op said past "unknown" just reveals why we have such massive issues with investigating sexual violence... op's agenda "as he said himself in one comment" is to expose anti feminists talking about this topic...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 09:20 AM
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did you miss the part about "unknown" in this op? we do not talk about the same things here...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:56 AM
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aha so thats your agenda instead of debating how to solve the issue of sexual violence... just silly specially after you said in op yourself actual numbers are unknown... mras and feminists want that sexual violence cases get properly investigated to create credible data... you misrepresented what anti feminists say and let people interpret who is anti feminist or just criticises feminism/feminists...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 08:07 AM
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the reason i did bring this up is op's post is on a similiar level of silly without credibility and mainly based on arbitary conclusions + assumptions... nobody properly investigates false accusations as it is seen as a non issue... investigating actual rape also has various issues we have to talk about...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:40 AM
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you have no argument as the data about false accusations are blurred or non existing as almost nobody cares to properly investigate it...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:11 AM
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yea maybe it sounds like that but seriously what are we debating here? that false accusations are a non issue we should ignore? seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:01 AM
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sure but people like you "not the cdc, ojp or fbi" intermix the data instead of talking about solutions for various issues...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:48 AM
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most men are not evil or vindicate either... see there are several issues here getting intermixed and we should talk about how to properly tackle them all... i hope you do not have the impression that i want to excuse rape or sexual assault... im advocating to properly investigating each case and to punish criminals accordingly...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:46 AM
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see thats the issue here you intermix data of rape and sexual assault... i know all data you are talking about and also the methodology... you started with seperating by gender without the credible number to compare it to... this is disengenious and a slap in the face of each victim... how about you suggest a solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:38 AM
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if the chances of getting raped is around 0,05% false accusations are similiar low... that said we talk past the issue and how to solve it... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48095118
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:29 AM
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if the chances of getting raped is around 0,05% false accusations are similiar low... that said we talk past the issue...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:28 AM
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are you aware that it is more than 20x more likely to be in a car accident than getting raped? <- thats the level of your post about false accusations... https://www.statista.com/statistics/191137/reported-forcible-rape-cases-in-the-usa-since-1990/ rape is a serious crime and is condemned but it is hard to prove... another issue is at which point consent gets violated and how do you differentiate between sexual assault, sexual harassment and actual rape... if we talk about rape and false accusat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 06:19 AM
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askwomennocensor about misandry
/r/MensRights28/02/25 01:56 PM
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https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/598185 https://eu.heraldnews.com/story/news/healthcare/2022/08/02/bloodstained-men-male-circumcision-protest-foreskin-penis-intactivist/10197089002/ if you use the search function you will find posts... that said i agree to a certain extent with you that there is way too much venting... may i ask you at which point would you consider somebody as mra or feminist?
/r/MensRights27/02/25 05:31 PM
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could you explain the difference between moderation and censorship to stay political correct?
/r/MensRights27/02/25 05:01 PM
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ok lets start with what do you consider as rights that men have and women not? mras support equality of opportunity "which includes abortion, daycare, parental leave etc" but most oppose equity aka equality of outcome... examples are representation in parliament or salary... the foundation of your argument is built on the assumption that men always had all rights and are/were never oppressed... this evolves into semantic games in discussions/debates rather than solving issues in society... yes t…
/r/MensRights27/02/25 10:28 AM
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you almost never see it because some users here report it and the mods ban it... that said at which point are you a mra or feminist? where does hatred of one gender start and venting ends? we have to be consistent...
/r/MensRights26/02/25 03:02 PM
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actually it is quite funny/sad that we have to divide this by gender because we had it gender neutral already... thinking about martin luther king and similiar people advocated for universal human rights... what are explicit mra beliefs that go beyond human rights?
/r/MensRights24/02/25 05:36 AM
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ok my first question here is at which point are you considered as feminist or mens rights activist? if i send money to ncfm or support a foodbank actively or call out toxic behavior or be a member of an union it probably does not count as activism... https://1in6.org/trainings/research-on-male-survivors/ plagiarism is easy to do and hard to disprove... btw i commented in this post under a +300 upvoted comment...
/r/MensRights24/02/25 05:35 AM
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women can not consent to conservatism is the narrative and have no agency to vote a certain way = men are at fault for everything
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 05:27 AM
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not just feminism if you think about elvis summers or daniel penny and so on... this topic is all about semantic games...
/r/MensRights23/02/25 02:50 PM
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actually it is quite funny/sad that we have to divide this by gender if we had it gender neutral already... thinking about martin luther king and similiar people advocated for universal human rights... what are explicit mra beliefs that go beyond human rights?
/r/MensRights23/02/25 02:46 PM
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ok my first question here is at which point are you considered as feminist or mens rights activist? if i send money to ncfm or support a foodbank actively or call out toxic behavior or be a member of an union it probably does not count as activism... plagiarism is easy to do and hard to disprove... btw i commented in this post under a +300 upvoted comment...
/r/MensRights23/02/25 01:54 PM
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where do you draw the line if you would have kids yourself like boy + girl at the same age? gender neutral upbringing is hard to do if they go to public education institutions...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 01:41 PM
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you have to understand that it is pointless to debunk this book as most of it falls back to clever semantic games... you will not change a single feminist mind if you tell her patriarchy and oppression of women are a myth... if you want to tackle this topic start with upbringing of children and family structures as everything else evolves from that...
/r/MensRights23/02/25 12:15 PM
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would you say camille paglia and alice schwarzer are both feminists? what about christina hoff sommers who calls herself factual feminist? i think "im not conservative" conservatives believe in the nuclear family and that gender roles like men provide + protect and women nurture + support pursue the strenghts of people on average to ensure children have a decent upbringing... true conservatives have no sex before marriage... mens rights activism very interesting you are the first person with suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 07:29 AM
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would you say camille paglia and alice schwarzer are both feminists? what about christina hoff sommers who calls herself factual feminist? ben shapiro, rollo tomassi and warren farrell have the same agenda? "past earning money" im a little confused about on what you base "hate on women" on... is criticising feminists = hate on women? do you not criticise terfs or conservative women for example? uplifting men or women or for that matter a fair gender neutral society can be debated about... that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 07:09 AM
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would you say camille paglia and alice schwarzer are both feminists? what about christina hoff sommers who calls herself factual feminist? ben shapiro, rollo tomassi and warren farrell have the same agenda? "past earning money" both want legal abortion, both want parental leave, both want social security, both want solid daycare, both want decent working conditions and so on... do you not advocate equality, consent and push agency? what do you recommend to check out to inform yourself about equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:48 AM
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would you say camille paglia and alice schwarzer are both feminists? what about christina hoff sommers who calls herself factual feminist? do you think ben shapiro, rollo tomassi and warren farrell have the same agenda? "past earning money" both want legal abortion, both want parental leave, both want social security, both want solid daycare, both want decent working conditions and so on... do you not advocate consent and push agency? what do you recommend to check out to inform yourself about e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:43 AM
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would you say camille paglia and alice schwarzer are both feminists? what about christina hoff sommers who calls herself factual feminist? ben shapiro, rollo tomassi and warren farrell have the same agenda? "past earning money" why dating? this sub talks about more than just dating... just as example both want legal abortion, both want parental leave, both want social security, both want solid daycare, both want decent working conditions and so on... do you not advocate consent and push agency? …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:40 AM
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the manosphere is no monolith
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 06:42 AM

google critic of the duluth model bisc-mi page
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 06:46 PM

do you have any evidence in form of sources for men are treated the same under the law? some men in shelters does not translate to getting treated the same... if i as man call the police or accuse a woman of domestic violence and press charges what is the result? i would recommend to read police reports and talking with lawyers... properly analyzing dv statistics, studies and surveys seems to be too hard for many people... do you know how many women get raped and how many men are made to penetra…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 06:41 PM
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if we look at the pros and cons of each emperor it probably played a vital role... that said the debates in parliament nowadays in almost all democratic countries tend to be silly aswell...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 03:20 PM
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i would dislike it and specially the way she does it... if she wants a provider and is upfront about it thats fine but what she does is past that... absolutely f*ucking not! forced gender roles are the downfall of society...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 08:14 AM
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ok i have a question for all people here and op... when does sexual assault start in your opinion? katy perry kissing a virgin boy live on tv david beckham getting groped live henry cavill or chris hemsworth etc getting touched without consent please explain at which point consent gets violated... maybe i create a post about this topic with several scenarios...
/r/MensRights21/02/25 05:59 AM

your comments in this conversation are such a good read thanks for that!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 05:32 AM
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same story with katy perry kissing a virgin boy live on tv... david beckham getting sexually assaulted live
/r/MensRights21/02/25 04:53 AM
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good point... how did you adress the debate and where is your evidence about men vs women and how they use weaponized incompetence? since chores distribution is/was apparently my agenda maybe we could talk about people slacking off at work and force others to compensate... nursing, police duty, office work generally you may choose one but keep your credible sources ready if you throw around numbers... it is no problem if you state your opinion on topic but please differentiate clearly... if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 07:56 PM
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nice evasion... i guess single men do not exist... if you show me data about liberal households we can continue to talk...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 05:34 PM
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it is aimed at men because conservatives have certain structures liberals do not like... if liberal men do no chores at home specially in a relationship with children how can they call themselves liberal... i do more chores than my wife and work more hours... do you have any statistic or study differentiating liberal and conservative households? this data shows 59% women SAY they do more chores... which is a far cry to your 99% claim and how much of that 9% gap is with consent or fair distributi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 04:49 PM
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i also think they are paternalistic but you made that point about consent...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:01 AM
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if you look at conservatives and their dynamics the said strenghts would be men provide + protect and women nurture + support... obviously if both consented to this but reading most of the comments in this sub this gets ignored...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:57 AM
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if you look at conservatives and their dynamics the said strenghts would be men provide + protect and women nurture + support... obviously if both consented to this but reading most of the comments in this sub this gets ignored...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:55 AM
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IF you accept conservatives and their relationship dynamic... the issue is what gets considered as toxic behavior and what equal treatment... are people able to consent to different relationship or life - styles? askfeminists about conservative women and patriarchy read the split comments...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 05:47 AM
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did you see the latest post in askfeminists what they think about mens rights activism? 16h ago feminism has a lot of branches but the question here is at which point are you a feminist or mens rights activist... feminism vs mens rights activism if you want to talk about toxic behavior and equality of opportunity be my guest...
/r/MensRights18/02/25 04:43 PM
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cmv about the left and men asking democrats why they lost the election what should the democrats do to appeal to young men in 2028 election? btw if all women voted a certain way -> result
/r/MensRights18/02/25 05:21 AM
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btw he ignores/deflects it if you post "counter" evidence as i quoted what he demanded... no true scotsman and motte & bailey are his forte...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:40 PM
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maybe but this is a debate sub and full of rage bait or confirmation bias
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 02:03 PM
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the claim is they are not yet considered as equal otherwise feminism would be obsolete... my argument is this is sooo vague that it will never be achievable hence my request/question... you do not have to answer this comment as it leads to a deadend...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 12:58 PM
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or women getting paid less than men for the same work or have no bodily autonomy but men have it or men take away womens rights... equality of opportunity vs equity was the basis of my question/request as the statements are too vague... people take it to destructive directions regardless...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 12:37 PM
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just cite the last election result by gender...
/r/MensRights17/02/25 11:14 AM
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https://revisesociology.com/2017/02/03/feminist-theory-summary-sociology/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:42 AM
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sounds reasonable till women choose to vote trump or generally an oppressive political party or policy...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:38 AM
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still too many sadly... this stance is probably based on political representation and women not joining political parties... how would you tackle a gender neutral society?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:32 AM
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ok i guess men and women are equal in our society then nevermind
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:09 AM
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please do not act obtuse... who claims men and women are not equal already in our society based on which metrics...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 10:03 AM
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i do believe in equality and im disturbed that people assume something else... are feminists not claiming men and women are not equal in various areas? how is something equal while not being the same in detail...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:50 AM
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i think the only thing you can say about all feminists is they believe in patriarchy which contradicts your statement to some extent... some claim tradwife by choice is ok but others accuse you of oppressing non conservative people... on the basis of within patriarchy women can not consent and have no agency...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:14 AM
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agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:10 AM
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sounds better!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:04 AM
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what feminism should be or is supposed to be and how each branch of feminists act has to be differentiated... i think the only thing thats probably true about all feminists is they believe in patriarchy... 9 to 5 is bad for humans generally in various ways and we as society fail to tackle this properly...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:58 AM
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explain how or give examples for better understanding edit: ->equal without being the same<-
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:51 AM
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very reasonable and understandable... upvoted
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:50 AM
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real feminists support whatever sounds a litte strange because at which point are you considered to be a feminist... specially if feminism has a lot of branches with different agendas... i think the only thing you can say about all of them is they believe in patriarchy which contradicts your statement to some extent... some claim tradwife is ok but others accuse you of oppressing non conservative people...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:40 AM
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In 1991, she testified as an expert witness at the U.S. Senate hearings that led to the first passage of Violence Against Women Act.source Koss has since conducted multiple legislative testimonies, including expert witness testimonies to the U.S. Senate Veteran's Affairs Committee, U.S. News & World Report, Senator Cory Brooker on restorative justice, and US Advisory Commission on Child Abuse.source Other legal testimony from Koss includes working with Congressional Briefing on Violence Against …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:32 AM
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well some radfems in this post suggested to segrate genders... taxing men and women seperately etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:21 AM
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topic is women holding themselves accountable "not men holding them accountable" for their choices but you continue to derailing it... women can consent and have agency... btw the duluth model "mary p koss" got used for writing the law and women were part of creating it... it is hypocritical to say men are at fault if both genders are at fault... nowadays there is rape and made to penetrate -> stating mainly men rape is therefore a hypocritical distortion... andrea dworkin or catherine mackinnon…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:06 AM
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this was just about the choice between stay at home parent vs keep working... sounds more povocative as it should be because some user want to argue just to argue and ignored the first question in my opening post... i never said women are not responsible or accountable... reread the headline...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:40 PM
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watched and upvoted
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:55 PM
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so we should say toxic behavior and healthy behavior in a gender neutral way?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:45 PM
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do you think our society should be gender neutral? how would that look like in practice in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:43 PM
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ok i guess this is a deadend of our conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:22 PM
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great then there is no problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:55 PM
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probably andrea dworkin talking about consent within patriarchy or something similiar... i did not engage on purpose here...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:54 PM
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na i posted this topic inspired by a woman posting something similiar gender reversed in this sub im all for free choice and a fair gender neutral society
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:48 PM
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Responsibility involves managing tasks, while accountability focuses on the consequences and ownership of actions, typically involving a single individual. all people who say men take away womens rights OR women are not able to choose for themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:20 PM
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see i agree it is not fair hence my 8 points in the opening post... further i would push that the state should pay in such cases if the women do not abort because the state would do anyways if the child is given up for adoption... if you have all this available would you agree to paper abortion within a timeframe women can still abort?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:51 PM

you talked about human history and i question your knowledge simple as that...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:49 PM
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ok to be crystal clear here... women should have the choice to birth or abort... accountability in this scenario is choice and standing by it... conservative women did choose that abortion should be illegal by vote and liberal women did choose that abortion should be legal by vote...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:45 PM

we should get rid of this masculine or feminine trope...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:40 PM

could you explain why women in the stone age did choose a strong tribe to stay in detail?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:36 PM
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well i would disagree here... feminism has a lot of branches with different approaches -> you can not say all feminists are like that if just one branch is like that... do all feminist branches believe in the patriarchy oppression theory? i think so as far as i know...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:33 PM
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choices like voting a certain way or choosing certain jobs or choosing a certain partner etc
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 03:02 PM
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your abortion scenario is indeed something we could discuss about for ages... please differentiate conservative, redpill and mens rights activist stances on this topic... you are probably aware that adoption is already a thing in our society and this topic includes consent "to parenthood" and bodily autonomy... why are you opposed to paper abortion or financial abortion whatever you want to call it? this is about a timeframe within the woman can still abort and to be able to grant it abortion ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:52 PM
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this was inspired by a women posting a similiar topic that adressed only men... i tried to stay pretty gender neutral in my post as you can see in the bottom part...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:29 PM
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thanks for your differentiation how would you compare equality vs equity between men and women in a credible way? fully agree to your last section about positive change
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:24 PM
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it is not
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:44 PM
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who suggested we should accept suffering? agree to what you said...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:44 PM
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yes you should be... each man and each woman who voted for him got what they deserve... would not call that oppression but thats debatable...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:29 PM
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how would you tackle this issue properly?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:25 PM
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At which point would you personally say consent to certain relationships, jobs and everything connected to it is not possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:24 PM
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Responsibility involves managing tasks, while accountability focuses on the consequences and ownership of actions, typically involving a single individual. do you think women should suggest this more in that case? well i was talking about an average scenario but if people are rich they certainly can afford a maid... if daycare would be free and available upbringing of children could be split almost equally or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:23 PM
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agreed!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:09 PM
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well you took accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:07 PM
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because she did choose a partner with exactly that in mind? ok if they are rich they could afford a maid but i was talking about an average scenario...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:04 PM
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all your questions here is what this discussion is about and how we tackle or compare it by gender... i could not answer all that on my own but im open to talk about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:02 PM
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for example if a woman chooses a partner who earns more than her for financial stability -> it is pretty likely that she will be the stay at home parent during negotiations with her husband...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:58 PM
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would you say men and women are affected by that to the same extent? how would you avoid confirmation bias while talking about issues like domestic violence or bodily autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:55 PM
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how people talk about several issues... btw this post was inspired by a woman posting something similiar gender reversed...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:49 PM
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did you miss the first question about consent? i said something about freedom and how it gets compared by gender...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:42 PM
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themselves... for example if a woman chooses a partner who earns more than her for financial stability -> it is pretty likely that she will be the stay at home parent during negotiations with her husband...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:41 PM
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choices like voting a certain way or choosing certain jobs or choosing a certain partner etc
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:34 PM
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consent and misogyny but i asked several questions in op about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:31 PM
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consent and misogyny but i asked several questions in op about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:29 PM
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choices like voting a certain way or choosing certain jobs or choosing a certain partner etc
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 12:24 PM
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if patriarchy is basically conservatism -> men provide + protect and women nurture + support -> how should the issues that evolve from that be tackled if people consent to liberal or conservative lifestyles as adults? how should we tackle a fair gender neutral society -> upbringing of children "adoption", parental surrender "abortion", consent and generally working conditions + quality of life?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 09:28 AM
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could you please explain your the definition of bad faith, motte & bailey, no true scotsman? witch hunting leads to a ban jfyi...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 09:20 AM
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patriarchy vs gynocentrism
/r/MensRights14/02/25 01:55 PM
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are you aware that feminists put the monolith label on a lot of things for example mens rights activism? statements like who built the system or who is in power or men are misogynistic oppressors while talking about issues is on a similiar level and distorts the situation... ok lets debate that men as class oppress women as class = patriarchy theory or how you would measure/compare equality of opportunity vs equity...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:28 PM
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selective service court case
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:21 PM
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that was not my point by highlighting that post... if you have to mention the comments the user you are talking about is deleted and got called out on that statement right away... btw you have to scoll down quite a bit... the main conversations there are about socialism/communism vs capitalism and how the movements call eachother monolitic...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:03 PM
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feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 06:34 PM
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that might be true but this post is a waste of time and energy... if you want to refute feminists you need more than feminism bad trust me bro... we call out derailment to get people back on track to push mens rights and if this post is about patriarchy is a myth i see nothing that would lurkers help to understand our stance on that... seriously some complained about parental leave and other social benefits but men should profit of that more to support fatherhood... military service should be on…
/r/MensRights12/02/25 08:02 PM
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have to agree with you but thats why it has to be called out to get back on track...
/r/MensRights12/02/25 07:54 PM
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they do not understand and know what mras want or stand for... they assume we want to take away womens rights and silence women while they talk about womens issues... since feminists established that men as class oppress women as class it is assumed that women can not consent and have no agency...
/r/MensRights12/02/25 02:12 PM

correlation... cause and effect...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 07:09 AM
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maybe conservative women + terfs and how they treat men... if liberal women are hypocritical about their stance maybe...
/r/MensRights12/02/25 06:23 AM

i think you do not understand the issue here... feminists complain that men oppress women because of this negotiation in relationships as more women stay at home to do the majority of chores and feminists are hypocritical about consent... example... this is not about women have pragmatic standards and men generally complain about that... it is about correlation...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 05:08 AM

well women could do the same exact thing... in political parties it would lead to more representation of women... it would eliminate the gender pay gap as it forces companies to equalize and care more about parental leave... currently feminists claim men oppress women because of this "negotiation -> consent" issue...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 04:53 AM
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could we agree on a list of behaviors that are toxic that is typical for men and women? probably not... who would consider it womansplaining if a stranger woman tells a father how to properly raise his own children on a public playground? who would consider gossip as toxic behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 08:33 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/aaNPXnIGjL
/r/MensRights11/02/25 06:03 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/aaNPXnIGjL
/r/MensRights11/02/25 06:02 PM
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the issue here is people argue about forced gender roles and are hypocritical about consent... if you earned 60k and he 40k it would be pragmatic that you continue to work and he stays at home or works part time... in most relationships the men earn more hence women stay at home or work part time...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:43 PM
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the median income does disagree with you... if she earns 60k and he earns 40k it is pragmatic that he stays at home or works part time... sadly the reality is in most relationships the man earns more than the woman similiar to op...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:33 PM
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if you ignore how high the median salary is and how feminists complain about patriarchy or gender roles sure
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:17 PM
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well there you go pay gap and gender roles fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:38 PM
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thank you! im not a native english speaker... note i did respond to comments who try to blame men for everything "not just redpillers or conservatives"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:20 PM
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note i did reply to comments who try to blame men for everything... they do not see their own bias and toxic behaviors...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:46 AM
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too much logic for the average user here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:28 AM
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if you think about children it becomes more than convenience... i see no reason to downvote you for stating your opinion...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:09 AM
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you are opposing and preventing progress... you are upholding the patriarchal society you are talking about similiar to conservative women... you are hypocritical about consent and agency...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 10:08 AM
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ok and what are feminists and mras do about it currently? you are misleading about gender roles and dynamics in society... https://np.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/s/Qyz2CQIXBU
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 09:56 AM

i did wrote it twice because i talk to different people who blame men for everything... i answered to your comment already... https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/7uMIpAEl07
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 09:50 AM
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you can choose a liberal or conservative lifestyle if you are living in a democratic country as adult... if you want to discuss upbringing of children instead of consent from adults ok but differentiate... if you want to talk about economy and finances do not be ignorant or misleading about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 09:45 AM
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agreed! will add that a man like aragorn from lord of the rings is seen by many as the ideal to strive for... that said there are several double standards if we talk about gender dynamics in our society...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 08:39 AM
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it is not shallow it is pragmatic... btw this is no discussion it is a question for redpill... that said feminists will say you got forced "instead of consented to" into this position by the patriarchy... feminists claim men oppress women... gender pay gap, gender roles within a relationship, unfair standards of the patriarchy and so on are reasons why some will jump at you because they do not understand correlation... cost of living, daycare and generally expenses obviously play a role here but…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:30 AM
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well op did consent to that and is not victim of the patriarchy...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:18 AM
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many women will complain about gender pay gap, gender roles, unfair standards of the patriarchy and so on... remember she did consent to that and has agency... do you understand correlation? this is no discussion it is a question for redpillers... https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/sQ9wfzzAzN btw the majority of men will not make that case but feminists will claim oppression because they do not understand dynamics... example
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:17 AM
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many women will complain about gender pay gap, gender roles, unfair standards of the patriarchy and so on... remember she did consent to that and has agency... do you understand correlation? this is no discussion it is a question for redpill... https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/sQ9wfzzAzN
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:16 AM
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ok again i think it is a decent suggestion but i see still several issues or flaws with it... first of many is people fail to use contraception and will fail to record as example...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:46 PM
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ok that would solve some things i guess but probably as hard to do as a prenup for marriage or paper abortions...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:23 PM

sexual violence in any form is condemned and criminal already... what should our justice system and society do in addition to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:13 PM
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how would you tackle this sexual violence issue in our society thats not already done to improve the situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:05 PM

how would you tackle this sexual violence issue in our society thats not already done to improve the situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:02 PM
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how would you tackle this sexual violence issue in our society thats not already done to improve the situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:01 PM
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how would you tackle this sexual violence issue in our society thats not already done to improve the situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:58 PM
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seriously if you create a topic like that do your homework and present multiple credible sources... https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/false-rape-allegations https://web.archive.org/web/20160304094119/http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48095118 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17395835/ if you want to highlight how some feminists distort data and play semantic games then you did it in a terrible way..…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:53 PM
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are you talking about raiding tribes to feed the people of your own tribe and to survive? that was a war for resources and men + women contributed to it... similiar to nowadays how women "specially conservatives" uphold strict gender roles "dating, relationship, upbringing of children, providing" aswell...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/25 10:33 AM
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conservative women also built the so called patriarchal society... by feminist definition patriarchy = conservatism -> its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support... feminists are hypocritical about consent "andrea dworkin stating women can not consent in patriarchy" and because men as class oppress women as class they have no agency -> innocent victims...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/25 09:53 AM
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conservative women also built the so called patriarchal society... by feminist definition patriarchy = conservatism -> its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support... feminists are hypocritical about consent "andrea dworkin stating women can not consent in patriarchy" and because men as class oppress women as class they have no agency -> innocent victims...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/25 06:31 AM
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most online feminists do not consider her as feminist and shame or defame her for various reasons... camille paglia is a feminist like they should be in my opinion...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/25 06:01 AM
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congress did not act in may 2024 and the case was not conclusive -> the selective service system is getting sued again
/r/MensRights09/02/25 04:42 PM

"quoted" If you wanna silence feminists regarding their warped view on domestic violence, just show them this: https://domesticviolenceresearch.org/ A huge meta study out of 1700 peer-reviewed studies from the last decades done by 42 well renowned scholars and 70 research assistants at 20 universities, who worked on this for 2 years. It feels almost like Copernikus telling the church about heliocentrism, that the sun is the center of our galaxy and not the earth. But feminism tries to teach us o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 12:24 PM
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mens rights activism opposes anyone who is in the way of mens rights or equality which includes parts of conservatism + feminism... you want us here to focus on certain things but where is your post about parental leave or parental surrender or upbringing of children and so on? focusing on anti capitalism can happen in many ways but we push for a social economy similiar to germany or sweden or luxembourg...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 07:13 AM
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the feminist claim of men oppress women or men take away womens rights is the same generalization... from your point of view feminists can not be criticised as it equals to blaming women...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 07:01 AM
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feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 06:39 AM
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in a dictatorship men + women are oppressed and their rights get violated... seriously if you must talk about this globally how do you compare that boys get forced into the soldier meatgrinder and girls are forced to marry/breed? the pay gap is a misrepresentation of data but there is an earnings gap because women work less hours... https://np.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/s/xaSuo0F5Le abortion has nothing to do with equal rights but should be a human right... that said men do not have reproductive …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:53 PM
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do you know the equality act from 1974 to amend the civil rights act from 1964? thats what she implied "sign contracts + own property" with her first two sentences...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:07 PM
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feminists want to smash the patriarchy "conservatism" because of its men provide + protect and women nurture + support structure... all issues feminists complain about evolved from that core but got more intense during the industrial revolution... feminists like andrea dworkin claimed women are not able to consent to anything and have no agency within patriarchy... feminists like mary p koss claimed women can not rape "made to penetrate nowadays" men... feminists ignore conservative women when t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:50 PM
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askfeminists about womens rights (quote of one mod) Literally just going to copy and paste this since it gets asked so often: Basic legal equality—the right to vote, own property, sign contracts, etc. does not translate to social equality. We didn’t eradicate racism when we signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964, and sexism didn’t magically die off after WWII. I have very little patience left to deal with people who think that women being afforded the most basic subsistence and legal rights means t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:12 PM
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wait for it... bodily autonomy... men do not have bodily autonomy aslong as there is selective service AND several other human rights violations...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 08:33 PM
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ok so you think im a redpiller or want to spread their nonsense? you asked me to elaborate how feminists say one thing "advocating equality and womens rights" and do the opposite "pushing arbitary equity and gender roles"... i presented you examples and explained it in my first comment but you ignored it... you felt the need to include voting rights and i responded to it... again i do not care what op said about feminists wanting to destroy whatever... i also do not claim that feminism is not ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 08:03 PM
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haha what is the manosphere and who is part of it? oh maybe you realized how feminists do the exact same thing? na i doubt it and you do not care anyways... adjusted pay gap is still not enough read more...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 07:26 PM
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a feminist issue yes it is and abortion aswell BUT women did not get the vote because of feminists and aslong as selective service is active it is preferential treatment... elaborated what exactly? why i felt the need to comment your comment? as i said my point was we talk about the wrong things in a wrong way... conservatives want to paternalize women to push their men provide+protect and women nurture+support... you as feminist claimed men do this but conservative women support and do this asw…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:48 PM
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see thats another issue how should we talk about this topic if you talk for example about iran or iraq and im talking about usa or england...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:21 PM
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i do not give a f*ck about redpill or conservative hypocrits... mras push for more funds and support already... "national coalition for men" does that matter if we have to get past any bias? you have no clue what you are talking about if you compare monthly salary of fulltime workers who work a different amount of hours monthly... read for example the nurse salary report yourself or what luxemburg did to get past said gaps... if you want to talk about unfair competition within hierarchies then i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:18 PM
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do you know the history of voting rights in the usa? if you want to talk about how human rights got created and evolved be my guest... it was not feminism who got women the right to vote... just to be clear i want a fair gender neutral society generally... legal abortion, solid parental leave and so on...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 06:02 PM
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ok lets get this straight to avoid derailment... feminists "example terfs" and conservative women ask for special treatment within democratic countries NOT WOMEN and i can give you several examples... domestic violence -> while violence within relationships is almost equal "source cdc" feminists claim men are way more violent... which leads to a focus on abused women... bodily autonomy -> men do not have bodily autonomy... feminists claim men take away womens rights but thats a distortion of dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:49 PM
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words and action are not the same... prime example for this are terfs... ok independant of op the issue is how equality and equity get measured + compared... intermixing data to create an oppression narrative does not help...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:27 PM
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arbitary equity in areas who are already equal if compared properly... bodily autonomy, salary, working conditions etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:22 PM
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oh i think you are not ready for this conversation about the war for resources...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:20 PM
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words and action are not the same... prime example for this are terfs... ok independant of op the issue is how equality and equity get measured + compared... intermixing data to create an oppression narrative does not help...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:17 PM
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selective service court case
/r/MensRights07/02/25 08:26 AM
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what do you think about teachers supervising changing rooms or toilets in schools to counter bullying or destruction?
/r/MensRights07/02/25 08:17 AM
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we have to remind them terfs are a part of feminism and women consent to a conservative lifestyle
/r/MensRights06/02/25 02:13 PM
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AND refuse to join political parties to be elected... feminists who bring this "who setup the system" up also ignore all the conservative wifes of represenatives in parliament with the same stance as her husband...
/r/MensRights06/02/25 02:07 PM
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did you ever ask a feminist if women are able to consent to a conservative lifestyle?
/r/MensRights06/02/25 01:59 PM
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obviously because the patriarchy shames women for it... under the umbrella of oppression women are not able to consent and have no agency... /s
/r/MensRights06/02/25 10:05 AM
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The National Coalition for Men (NCFM) is a nonprofit educational organization that raises awareness of human-rights issues that affect men and boys, specifically in areas where men and boys are discriminated against because they are male, or where they are denied the same protection of the law given to women and girls. NCFM is committed to equality of rights and equality of responsibilities between the sexes. Membership is open to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:45 AM
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https://ncfm.org/
/r/MensRights06/02/25 05:42 AM
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well she ignores evidence and that all of her 10 points got dismantled already
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:14 AM

do you know what ragebait is?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:04 AM
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well we could also say you ignore when people responded to it and you are hypocritical about consent... that said do you remember that there was an assassination attempt on trump and an extreme push to jail him for various crimes? it is pretty funny that you want mras acting like maga supporters and probably storm the white house... "The National Coalition for Men (NCFM) is a nonprofit educational organization that raises awareness of human-rights issues that affect men and boys, specifically in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:53 AM
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dismantling all of her 10 points was easy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:43 AM
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askfeminists about the manosphere first comment with +300 upvotes just as one of many examples... most mras are not trump supporters... leftwingmaleadvocates about trump
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:02 PM
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you can respond to my direct comment to your op and explain what the manosphere is and contains in your opinion to avoid a derailment... that said i will elaborate later but it is really fascinating how you and many feminists intermix stuff -> specially the shapiro, peterson and straughan or equality vs equity usf part... you probably forgot my stance on trump or tate but we can refresh your memory... well feminism is no monolith as we can see with terfs...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:12 PM
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example 1: i looked and saw millions of men voting against him and i also saw millions of women voting for him... mras are aware who "conservatives" sends men at the battlefront into the meatgrinder and so on... example 2: look at example one... to extend on that why the democrats lost a simple search on reddit like ask politics would help... example 3: men demand school reform as it is outdated and does not prepare children properly for life men do educate their children regardless of gender bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:33 PM
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i did read all of your 10 examples and commented directly to your op but i also know how any evidence will be dismissed as not popular enough or not enough of a pushback -> since this specific comment was about more outcry... how about a coalition of men sueing the selective service system for being unconstitutional? how about katy perry kissing a virgin boy without his consent? how about david beckham getting sexually assaulted live on tv? what about are we dating the same guy to shut it down? …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:46 PM
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first define what you accept as popular and pushback... i have various evidence to challenge any of your presented points in your op...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:28 PM
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mens rights activism
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:13 PM
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mens rights activism ready to challenge all of your points...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:13 PM
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do not forget... rostker v. goldberg "selective service court case" ready to tackle all of your 10 points in your opening post...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:08 PM
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hopefully that also counts in reverse for husband, best friend, therapist and father... how that actually looks like is a little bit spicy because we have to get past double standards "the borders of what is acceptable get bent extremly" and have to talk about real issues openly in relationships -> society... op mainly talks about feelings/emotions but a relationship contains way more than just that... what exactly does "she is not your mother" or "he is not your father" entail? same question fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:50 AM
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the feminist stance is men as class oppress women as class = women can not consent to anything freely and have no agency... patriarchy "by feminist definition" is basically conservatism and its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 05:19 AM
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the feminist stance is men as class oppress women as class = women can not consent to anything freely and have no agency... patriarchy "by feminist definition" is basically conservatism and its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support...
/r/MensRights05/02/25 05:06 AM
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the feminist stance is men as class oppress women as class = women can not consent to anything freely and have no agency... patriarchy "by feminist definition" is basically conservatism and its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:37 PM
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did you take look at the wage/salary differences between single men and women IF they work the exact same hours in the same job? (fulltime does not equal to the same hours worked) stay at home dad types are still not recognized as something women who earn decently should strive for -> most seek somebody with equal or more earnings -> pragmatic that the woman stays at home... that said why do you even start with this if we should talk about parental leave + daycare...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 10:29 AM
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not more reliable as the leading public health organisation or the fbi =)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:05 AM
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repeating your misinformation does not help... if you do not want to look at official cdc data here is the wiki... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_laws_in_the_United_States
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:58 AM
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refreshing to read your conversation within this topic!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:48 AM
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are chores within liberal and conservative households also split in statistics + studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:33 AM
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how do you evaluate a fair distribution of chores personally or do you differentiate between liberal and conservative households?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:29 AM
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ok did you ever talk about how you and your opposite whatever you wanna call it see household chores generally? do you think men would just let their apartment rot as single or just lie to you how they would contribute in a relationship? men who earn less + would gladly become stay at home dads are not yet appreciated enough and a lot of women want to reeducate "exaggerated" the macho boy... personally i do about 70% of the chores at home and my wife does her own laundry... the number changes fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 03:24 AM
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pretty sad how you compare apples to oranges AND silence male experiences... i bet you do not differentiate between liberal and conservative couples/partnerships to cherry pick what supports your narrative as you presented no source... hypocritical about consent at best... the issue here is you will fall back to bodily autonomy and representation if i press you on this... that said men do not have bodily autonomy and the larger % in represenation is based on how competition affects parenting and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 01:25 AM
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oh so you are switching between democracy and dictatorships to support your oppression narrative? do you have any credible data on that topic at all or do i have to dismantle everything you said so far?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 01:09 AM
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seems like feminists lie about topics like that... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 01:05 AM
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https://www.cdc.gov/intimate-partner-violence/about/intimate-partner-violence-sexual-violence-and-stalking-among-men.html
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 12:31 AM
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oh if i link directly you are out of arguments?
/r/MensRights04/02/25 12:28 AM
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i blame you for distorting data as you ignore made to penetrate and that women also voted men into parliament
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 12:12 AM
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yes as i said in my first post to showcase how a women centric sub thinks about this topic
/r/MensRights03/02/25 06:50 PM
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well some people like their rethoric and semantic games or just distort on purpose to push an oppression narrative... almost nobody is ready to question their own bias...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 06:35 PM
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be my guest and i dismantle all your arguments because i know what they are based on... first do we talk about the us only or globally which includes dictatorships? btw i do not challange you here to deny that women + men suffer and need help...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 05:28 PM
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did you ever compare rape and made to penetrate numbers or did you just assume since women can not penetrate men they are not able to sexually assault men? each time a radfem talks about the 1 in 5 women got raped they inflate the numbers... it is 20x more likely to get hit by a car than getting raped... the numbers between men and women are comparable...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 05:22 PM
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if you would have analyzed the cdc data about rape and made to penetrate properly you would be more cautious with such statements... https://www.cdc.gov/intimate-partner-violence/about/intimate-partner-violence-sexual-violence-and-stalking-among-men.html
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 05:18 PM
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while there are certainly people like you described this is not men taking your rights away... conservative WOMEN and men do this or do you think the maga trump supporter in parliament has no wife with similiar values? is it really helpful to invalidate experiences or distort data?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 05:14 PM
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did you read my first comment about quotes? i asked several women where in their opinion misandry starts and at which point they would call out toxic behaviour... that obviously also includes the question at which point men and women are really equal with opportunities or oppressed...
/r/MensRights02/02/25 08:44 PM
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No, because I am answering this post generally, as in my general opinion on it. What you are or aren't doing isn't the issue, because you, Main-Tiger, aren't the issue. But I'll say being up for talking about it it is one thing. Doing is another. So I'll ask...where are you writing checks? Where are you volunteering? What kind of advocacy interests you? Are we talking about talking or are we talking about showing up? I'll answer for myself. I've got my local food bank, toys for tots, planned par…
/r/MensRights02/02/25 08:38 PM
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I think I take misandry pretty seriously, comparatively. I really like men and I'm pretty worried about them as a demographic. But in trying to work on that situation, there's a pattern I've recognized and it's hard to work around. Often, the only way and time men are interested in talking about it are when women are mean to men. They aren't interested in changing how they talk about men. They aren't interested in changing how they talk about themselves. They aren't interested in shutting down m…
/r/MensRights02/02/25 08:37 PM
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ok i will quote some comments from women on topic below this comment... anybody who is curious inspect my post history...
/r/MensRights02/02/25 08:37 PM
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as i said this was the consensus of a women centric sub
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 07:20 PM
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Yes, it’s about power dynamics. When an oppressed group dislikes their oppressor, it’s a reaction to harm, not just random hate. If we swap genders, the history and context matter. If both genders were truly equal, then any kind of hate would be wrong in the same way. But in reality, men aren’t an oppressed group, so the situations aren’t the same. It can't be compared.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 06:27 PM
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i think you misunderstand my intention here... i asked the same question in askwomennocensor if you are curious... yes i did and not just once
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 06:01 PM
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well thats what this discussion is about... i asked the same question in askwomennocensor and id say the consensus was it is about punching down vs punching up in power dynamics... yes i do call out toxic behavior...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 03:31 PM
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well thats what this discussion is about... i asked the same question in askwomennocensor and id say the consensus was it is about punching down vs punching up in power dynamics...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 03:13 PM
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most feminists are terrible at analyzing data and their conclusions just distort said data...
/r/MensRights02/02/25 07:16 AM
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patriarchy vs gynocentrism
/r/MensRights01/02/25 07:49 PM
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well reforming our education system would lead to equality of opportunity for boys? you hopefully do not expect that all the current feminist teachers can be converted?
/r/MensRights01/02/25 10:45 AM
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womens oppression narratives lead to discrimination of men via equity...
/r/MensRights01/02/25 10:41 AM
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could we agree on that our education system is severly outdated and does not prepare our children properly for life?
/r/MensRights01/02/25 10:40 AM
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consent to parenthood + legal parental surrender... the details of both is what we have to talk about... that also includes equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome "equity" to be able to push for a fair gender neutral society... should we start how such a society can be constructed from scratch with equal responsibilities and rights?
/r/MensRights01/02/25 08:46 AM
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patriarchy vs gynocentrism
/r/MensRights01/02/25 08:32 AM
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mens rights activism whats hard to follow? how mras tackle various issues like parental surrender or upbringing of children? mens rights activism is no monolith...
/r/MensRights01/02/25 07:59 AM
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https://www.medicalresearchfoundation.org.uk/news/closing-the-sex-and-gender-gap-in-medical-research#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20historical%20reason,be%20excluded%20from%20drug%20trials. nih also had everything in detail but their site is down for some reason... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21507989/#:~:text=Thalidomide%20was%20a%20widely%20used,defects%20in%20thousands%20of%20children. so im asking you why did women not continue to volunteer and risk their pregnancy? who sued or shamed/blamed t…
/r/MensRights01/02/25 07:52 AM
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oh please stop with your apples to oranges comparisons and distortion of data... the majority of mras support abortion and in order to grant something like paper abortion or a better word for it parental surrender abortion has to be legal... consent to parenthood should be a normal thing and adoption is already a thing... if you want to talk about proper upbringing of children be my guest...
/r/MensRights31/01/25 11:09 PM
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actually your comments in this sub are quite funny... if you did the same as man talking about womens issues you would be labeled a bigot and misogynist... do you even know the history of clinical research?
/r/MensRights31/01/25 11:04 PM

leftwingmaleadvocates on trump
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:33 AM

they are in denial about terfs for example
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:05 AM

i think op will not provide any source about such programs and continues to demand others to do so... could be somewhat bad for their equality narrative if numbers get revealed that they can not defame as right wing propaganda...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:03 AM

if you say a large part of the manosphere does not give a shit or even better conservatives who support trump do not give a shit i will agree with you... if you lump everybody who disagrees with you into the right wing bigot na*i rail id suggest to focus on terfs before you slander mras...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:56 PM

ok what would satisfy you? if i say trump is harming men and women? if i link to posts in mra subs listing how trump/conservatives harm men? do you need a million mras who tell you that trump is a religious bigot? the last part of your comment is irrelevant atm...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:32 PM

one example was before and during the election -> who is worse for mens rights leftwingmaleadvocates on trump
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:18 PM

oh you see a difference well thats a little progress... conservatives flock to joe rogan and to jordan peterson or ben shapiro etc... feminists and mras also have lots of overlap...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:02 PM

so joe rogan and similiar stuff is the same as mens rights activists got it... i bet margaret thatcher was a feminist then...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:57 PM

all i can say here is you are blind + deaf if you think mras do not and did not discuss this
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:34 PM

a lot of feminists "including op" are victim of confirmation bias and use double standards if they compare for example mens rights activism and feminism -> both movements are no monolith... before op comments with a fallacy -> terfs are a part of feminism but nobody sane concludes all feminists are like that... conservative men in parliament or ceos have conservative wifes who hold similiar values if we talk about patriarchy or gynocentrism... yes mras are aware who sends men into war at the bat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:08 PM

well op just wanted to dump on the manosphere and facts "op refuses to provide sources how exactly men benefit" do not matter in that case... that said i have no problem with harsh critic "as mens rights activist" but i will oppose misinformation and defamation...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:42 PM

i think it is disturbing how you and op generalize the manosphere and it is pretty similiar to calling everybody a right wing extremist or na*i if somebody disagreed with you...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:33 PM

a lot of feminists "including op" are victim of confirmation bias and use double standards if they compare for example mens rights activism and feminism -> both movements are no monolith... before op comments with a fallacy -> terfs are a part of feminism but nobody sane concludes all feminists are like that... conservative men in parliament or ceos have conservative wifes who hold similiar values if we talk about patriarchy or gynocentrism... yes mras are aware who sends men into war at the bat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:25 PM

convince conservatives NOT MEN
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:54 PM
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agree to what you say here
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 08:54 AM
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https://www.divorcelawyersformen.com/blog/the-true-facts-of-child-custody-for-men/
/r/MensRights29/01/25 05:33 AM
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ok the current feminist point of view of this topic is that "women and children first" almost never happened if we count all disasters in history and is a conservative concept that gets thrown away if shit happens... similiar to no sex before marriage and divorce is a no go... i think our society should be gender neutral which would eliminate this issue probably...
/r/MensRights29/01/25 05:16 AM
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patriarchy vs gynocentrism
/r/MensRights27/01/25 02:32 PM
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patriarchy vs gynocentrism
/r/MensRights27/01/25 02:31 PM
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patriarchy vs gynocentrism
/r/MensRights27/01/25 02:31 PM
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they probably will say ok but toxic masculinity is more present and more dangerous as they do with any gendered issue which leads to women more affected...
/r/MensRights26/01/25 08:57 PM
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based on what? what gets compared? they fail to answer that in a credible way...
/r/MensRights26/01/25 07:28 PM
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how about we tackle this gender neutral and call it toxic behavior?
/r/MensRights26/01/25 02:10 PM
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how about we tackle this gender neutral and call it toxic behavior?
/r/MensRights26/01/25 02:10 PM
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there was an interesting reason why it did not get pushed further...
/r/MensRights23/01/25 06:23 AM
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do you know rostker v. goldberg?
/r/MensRights22/01/25 08:54 PM
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patriarchy vs gynocentrism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/25 10:51 AM
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how would you classify gossip?
/r/MensRights22/01/25 06:29 AM
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may i ask how you would classify gossip?
/r/MensRights22/01/25 05:29 AM
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i highly doubt that every discussion was with pro lifers and none about paper abortions... that you have to mention deadbeat dads instead of deadbeat parents says a lot about your hypocritical stance... if you said pro lifers are whatever you claimed including conservative women ok fine but thats not what you are talking about...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:01 AM

at least conservatives in the usa... ok that is silly...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:35 PM
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i do not think feminists would tackle your point about false accusations like you expect...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/25 07:22 AM
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conservative women have the same stance as their husband in parliament
/r/MensRights20/01/25 12:05 PM
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i know that there are no sources and thats why you can not claim they consented -> easy concept i agree it would not get rid of deadbeat parents BUT it decreases the number of suffering children if more people acknowledge they are not fit for parenthood... this would provide the source to be able to claim they consented... you can say this is irrelevant and i can say "after people said men should stay abstinent to avoid pregnancy" both failed to act responsible or that abortion also does not get…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:15 PM
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do you have a source on most of them consented or just got contronted with a pregnancy in a relationship? i doubt it... idk why you have such a problem with that if i already stated men who leave after they consented are responsible for their children and should pay child support... i also stated i support abortion and do not judge single parents... people in this thread just wanted to expose op as bad faith actor and i did not defend him...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 02:41 PM
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wrong... people want to talk about deadbeat dads and single moms depending if redpill or bluepill but refuse to tackle parenthood generally... we could call it deadbeat parents and say single parenthood is bad to close this silly mess...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 02:28 PM
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obviously not but thats not what most people here argue about and you would know that if you read the entire conversation you replied to...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 02:15 PM
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just for men if you go by the comments about deadbeat dads in this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 12:48 PM
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ok then just say you want abortion illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:10 AM
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if they consented "you have no source for that" and withdraw they have to pay child support period and if they do not you can call them deadbeat
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:08 AM
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if something fails an insurance jumps in if you did setup one... ok op blames single moms for whatever reason -> commenters blame deadbeat dads in response = deadend if a man does not want a child but the woman wants it he is the deadbeat and not her knowing he will not be around or would be a terrible dad? consent to parenthood is the first step of acknowleding you are unfit as parent... after that we talk about parental surrender within a timeframe women are able to abort and after that adopti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 10:25 AM
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if we use your car example we talk about breaking traffic rules "contraception" which leads to an accident... my point is we as society do not talk about parenthood and upbringing of children properly... we blame single moms or deadbeat dads instead of solving issues...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:50 AM
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ok then in your opinion abortion should be illegal as both adults consent to parenthood if they consented to sex with the exception of complications endanger the life of the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:38 AM
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that are the details but it is not gender neutral yet
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:37 AM
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deadbeat parents is the term to go but who wants to talk about parenthood in detail...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:32 AM
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agreed and thats why we need better cps and a consense in our society about upbringing of children
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:31 AM
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you ignore a lot of stuff and present just one point of view... if you want a good faith conversation lets start with consent to parenthood... edit: topic is parenthood
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:30 AM
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a lot of people do not want to talk about the details sadly and prefer their semantic games...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:25 AM
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agreed!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:20 AM
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do you really want to talk about how conservatives enact responsibility by banning abortion to force people to parent their children? we could also talk about how it would be responsible to step down as an unfit parent when abortion is legal... as i said adoption agencies are already a thing and get used...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:54 AM
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i support legal abortion guess why we have to talk about the details of parenting in our society but it seems like fatherhood is still a joke to laugh about...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:43 AM
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that dude does not understand that parental surrender is about a timeframe within women are still able to abort... it is also kinda silly to call men deadbeat and ignore consent to parenthood if women know he does not want children or would be a terrible dad... adoption agencies already get used...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:37 AM
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that dude does not understand that parental surrender is about a timeframe within women are still able to abort... it is also kinda silly to call men deadbeat if women already bring children to an adoption agency if men do the same...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:35 AM
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ofcourse
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:23 AM

you are such a bad faith actor that it is not even worth it to respond to your comments... details
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:19 AM

we should talk about consent to parenthood and parental surrender...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:03 AM
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both is somewhat misleading... we should talk about consent to parenthood and parental surrender... details edit: topic of this post is parenthood
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:03 AM
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who will restrain and supervise them? you? how about we prevent the cause? does the same count for mothers who abused their children or husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:47 PM
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if you push men one way or another to the edge they will become violent to survive... this includes sexual or mental abuse as a boy... you know the psychological profile of busted criminals? female crime and its darkfield: https://www-rbb--online-de.translate.goog/taeteropferpolizei/themen/frauenkriminalitaet.html?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=de&\_x\_tr\_pto=wapp
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:35 PM
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while this is true how it gets used is also misleading... war and crime has its roots in the fight for resources globally...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:14 PM
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did you not know that conservative women who want a provider and protector man have no power over what her husband does? feminists are ignorant about conservative relationship dynamics and love semantic games...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:48 PM
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consent to parenthood matters parental surrender matters lawyer about divorce & custody
/r/MensRights18/01/25 09:26 PM
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would you say that liberals are almost there regarding equality or that there will never be equality aslong as there is conservatism?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:04 PM
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feminists distort data... idk if it is because they are terrible at analyzing data or do it on purpose to push a certain narrative/agenda... they claim that men have rights they do not have and want to equalize it... they compare apples to oranges and play semantic games about equality vs equity...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:56 PM
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may i ask if you did some research about all the complaints? https://orwh.od.nih.gov/toolkit/recruitment/history
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:53 PM
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https://orwh.od.nih.gov/toolkit/recruitment/history
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:52 PM
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men have abortion rights or bodily autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:46 PM
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conservative attitudes that women are not fit for certain tasks in society and that men are disposable providers...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:43 PM
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which is misleading because you hide various details to it by mainly playing semantic games about equality vs equity and dynamics around the fight for resources if we go back to the roots... if you really want a good faith conversation about it im ready for it but please do not be ignorant about conservative relationship dynamics if we do not differentiate between them and liberals... i will start with men would still dominate said fields if everything would be fair and gender neutral because wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:33 PM
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that sounds like patriarchy = conservatism feminists mainly complain about how the family structures during the industrial revolution evolved -> men provide + protect and women nurture + support we could discuss human rights evolution since lets say ancient egypt?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:42 PM
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if you want to discuss why such medical stuff happens id suggest to read the history of womens clinical research... all other things you mentioned are issues indeed we have to fix BUT do not compare apples to oranges or distort topics by mixing data...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:41 PM
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that sounds like patriarchy = conservatism feminists mainly complain about how the family structures during the industrial revolution evolved -> men provide + protect and women nurture + support we could discuss human rights evolution since lets say ancient egypt?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:36 PM
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that sounds like patriarchy = conservatism feminists mainly complain about how the family structures during the industrial revolution evolved -> men provide + protect and women nurture + support we could discuss human rights evolution since lets say ancient egypt?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 12:35 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potty_parity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potty_parity_in_the_United_States i think we should just have unisex toilets as women already use the mens if theirs is overrun... anyways mens should have diaper changing stations aswell for fathers... idk if she is talking about laws preventing women to use a toilet or that there were just mens toilets and they wanted to seperate sex... that said we will end at how to fund various things and is there a need to gender …
/r/MensRights18/01/25 07:10 AM
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ok but to be able to discuss with feminists like that blonde user your point would just waste time if she started to talk about who lacks bodily autonomy = abortion rights and womens rights in our history...
/r/MensRights17/01/25 07:34 AM
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do you consider selective service, consent to parenthood and parental surrender bodily autonomy matters or freedom?
/r/MensRights17/01/25 07:19 AM
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to avoid confusion we have to differentiate between democratic countries "more nuanced" and dictatorships... how do you compare boys getting forced to become soldiers to kill or die in the meatgrinder to girls getting forced to marry for a lineage/legacy? both is terrible and if they flee both get punished harshly... feminists would argue "who is in charge or who setup that system" which is misleading if we talk about fighting for resources globally...
/r/MensRights17/01/25 06:46 AM
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id say encourage her to create a post about the history of human rights if she is adamant about women are or were oppressed...
/r/MensRights17/01/25 05:49 AM
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pls stop to argue about history in a limited setting without proper context... if you want to discuss this create a post about which rights men and women had since lets say they are documented maybe ancient egypt or we can discuss the industrial revolution which most feminists complain about...
/r/MensRights17/01/25 05:46 AM
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the links show how mras act and includes surveys about various topics to clarify stances... viewed by 3k is not hot ok but seriously the deeper you go into something the less people are able to follow... what do you expect? +1k upvotes and hundreds of comments if people have to think about it? i also have an askfeminist post with 0 upvotes but +100 comments... you can stand by anything... in my opinion both movements have several flaws but what they consider as equality vs equity is the key to t…
/r/MensRights16/01/25 09:03 PM
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i think we have to go through a history lesson and define several things before we talk about a topic like that... please no rhetoric or semantic games about it... create a post about human rights history to discuss this topic in detail...
/r/MensRights16/01/25 08:53 PM
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ok lets tackle your points, feminist points and what beef men or mras have with that ok? equality vs equity is based on what exactly and how do you compare it? we could argue about which rights women or men lack but to shortcut that men do not have bodily autonomy and consent to parenthood or parental surrender get laughed about including by feminists... patriarchy theory, toxic masculinity, mansplaining, gender experiences and so on get onedimensional and misleading presented... policies, laws,…
/r/MensRights16/01/25 08:14 PM
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at times i wonder if the majority of them are terrible at analyzing data or distort on purpose to push a narrative/agenda...
/r/MensRights16/01/25 07:59 PM
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there are liberals and conservatives in this sub = different approaches to relationships and topics generally... if men tend to fill the provider + protector role and women the nurture + support role by free choice it is fine... that said we argue about the details since ages and specially equality vs equity from various point of views... mens rights activism feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/MensRights16/01/25 07:54 PM
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well thats the point... feminists and liberals do not understand that... they say one thing and do the opposite...
/r/MensRights16/01/25 03:38 PM
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that would be the details
/r/MensRights16/01/25 03:36 PM
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i know most active users of this sub and what they comment roughly... from time to time feminists comment here and there are also mra vs feminist debate subs... feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/MensRights16/01/25 11:26 AM
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wise man
/r/MensRights16/01/25 07:45 AM
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you do interact with them anyways even if it is passive... ok thats your choice...
/r/MensRights16/01/25 07:12 AM
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they talk about dismantling the patriarchy via the feminist lens... ok lets show them how feminism supports the so called phantom patriarchy instead of smashing it... i explained it in one comment in this post...
/r/MensRights16/01/25 06:43 AM
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patriarchy "how feminists call it" or gynocentrism "how mras call it" describe the same thing = conservatism and its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support... should we as mras not advocate for women filling the provider + protector role and men the nurture + support role in relationships aswell? which basically leads to a fair gender neutral society... the point of this was people are able to choose not to dictate the perfect relationship... in practice if feminists or a…
/r/MensRights16/01/25 06:41 AM
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the point of this was people are able to choose not to dictate the perfect relationship... in practice if feminists or any woman bring up patriarchy or oppression etc we could respond with are you ready to allow men to choose to be stay at home dads with lower income than yours and if they say yes or ofcourse -> they also have to accept that some people want to choose the reverse = feminists have to accept conservatism "patriarchy" to some extent... im aware that specially feminists like their s…
/r/MensRights16/01/25 06:01 AM
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yea pretty much did you know that feminists reject this because of rhetoric + semantic games about both terms?
/r/MensRights15/01/25 06:02 PM
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patriarchy "how feminists call it" or gynocentrism "how mras call it" describe the same thing = conservatism and its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support... should we as mras not advocate for women filling the provider + protector role and men the nurture + support role in relationships aswell? which basically leads to a fair gender neutral society...
/r/MensRights15/01/25 05:55 PM
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patriarchy "how feminists call it" or gynocentrism "how mras call it" describe the same thing = conservatism and its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support... should we as mras not advocate for women filling the provider + protector role and men the nurture + support role in relationships aswell? which basically leads to a fair gender neutral society...
/r/MensRights15/01/25 05:28 PM
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patriarchy "how feminists call it" or gynocentrism "how mras call it" describe the same thing = conservatism and its structure of men provide + protect and women nurture + support... should we as mras not advocate for women filling the provider + protector role and men the nurture + support role in relationships aswell? which basically leads to a fair gender neutral society...
/r/MensRights15/01/25 05:27 PM
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i think currently the mood is feminism has achieved this but if my comments there stay not approved i can not say much about it... quote of one mod: I think also, as many others have said, this indicates progress-- and now we can "level the playing field."
/r/MensRights12/01/25 04:26 PM
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if you ask them they would say feminism is no monolith but that said the split about this topic seems to be 50-50 reaction wise... the following also got upvoted there... ... I think everyone can agree that sexual assault in any form is horrific, and all perpetrators deserve to be brought to justice. One of the things that complicates some of the discussions is language and definitions. Virtually nowhere in the world, nor in research, if a woman forces a man to have sex is it defined as rape. Th…
/r/MensRights12/01/25 10:48 AM
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there are mixed reactions in the feminist sub and some say women are problematic aswell... pretty funny if you think about how feminists reacted to critic of cdc surveys in the past... now read this comment by one feminist... quote: "These are interesting results but the fact it’s self reported makes me less confident in the results. I don’t know how you’d do it any other way, but frankly I just don’t trust people to both clearly remember and be honest about things like this."
/r/MensRights12/01/25 08:15 AM
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some also say women are problematic aswell... quotes: "Agreed but also we need young girls to really get better. I am glad to see progress in young men but young women are getting very sexual predatory toward young men (in general). Taking my male cousins on vacation (ages 13-16), they are all good looking fit young men, and the stuff 14-16 year old girls would say to them, and touching them when they would tell them to stop is insane."
/r/MensRights12/01/25 07:49 AM
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conservatives want women with high standards and low to none bodycount... seriously how do you compare that to non conservative or non redpill men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:11 PM
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feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/MensRights11/01/25 08:24 AM
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indeed pretty sad as feminists daily claim men try to silence women if they talk about issues but if feminists or women do it no problem... as we can see with mansplaining or toxic masculinity vs womensplaining or toxic femininity instead of toxic behavior...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:31 AM

is giving out numbers not mainly a redpill thing? stating that men are obsessed with it is also an oversimplification...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 08:51 AM
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how our society tackles divorce and custody? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlSwsE22nX0&pp=ygULZGl2b3JjZSB0ZWQ%3D vs https://np.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/67xa50/deleted_by_user/dgu35xq/
/r/MensRights09/01/25 05:43 AM
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if you are curious about the current beef at court here are two point of views... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlSwsE22nX0&pp=ygULZGl2b3JjZSB0ZWQ%3D vs https://np.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/67xa50/deleted_by_user/dgu35xq/
/r/MensRights09/01/25 05:35 AM
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would anything change if he was 13 and she 17 as a couple?
/r/MensRights09/01/25 05:32 AM
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what about divorce and custody generally? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlSwsE22nX0&pp=ygULZGl2b3JjZSB0ZWQ%3D vs https://np.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/67xa50/deleted_by_user/dgu35xq/
/r/MensRights09/01/25 05:25 AM

do you know earl silverman? what about elvis summers? want me to list more?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:54 PM

the same could be said in reverse but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:19 PM

whats the most pressing issue to focus on in your opinion? abortion? parental leave? violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:17 PM

na thats fine and gender should not matter in a fair society... personally ive a problem with misinformation, rhetoric/semantic games and defamation but that will be morphed to critic = hate...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:15 PM

id agree on all points mentioned and add conservatives fear to lose their paternalism
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:11 PM

there are so many problems with that... lets start with feminism is no monolith but mras or the manosphere is... as you can see daily in this sub or any feminist sub... before you say real life is different try to bring up some of said hot topics... equality vs equity and at which point we reached our goal as obviously feminists claim women are "still" oppressed... failing to analyze data correctly and push misinformation about various topics... example... we could go on or more into detail...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:47 PM

if you think so sure
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:31 PM

sure i lived for +1000 years and oppressed women with my liberal views im such a misogynistic monster indeed...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:29 PM

oh i thought i already did by suggesting working together to solve the issues in society but whatever...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:24 PM

how about both movements drop that annoying shit...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:59 PM

sure but this escalates to almost every male behavior is unacceptable and calling out toxic female behavior is misogyny...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:57 PM

tbh i would not care about feminists pushing women only agenda if they drop their hypocritical equality claim...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:54 PM

so much misinformation and bias it is just baffling... some people enjoy their rhetoric and semantic games instead of talking about how to solve real issues... just as example selective service is active in the us and violates the constitution but i doubt you know the rostker v. goldberg court case...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:47 PM
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the issue here is apples get compared to oranges which gets revealed if you look at the details of statistics, studies and surveys... in short people suck at analyzing data or distort on purpose to support a certain narrative... gender workplace hours gap
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:56 AM
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the issue here is apples get compared to oranges which gets revealed if you look at the details of statistics, studies and surveys... in short people suck at analyzing data or distort on purpose to support a certain narrative... gender workplace hours gap
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 09:04 AM
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it will never be equal because of several reasons like... -people compare the wrong things -people are not monolithic -people suck at analyzing data etc
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 08:56 AM
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you did not specify hence it gets confusing to talk about a topic... if you said "at work" your first comment makes more sense...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 08:23 AM
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well mras and even conservatives do not dismiss concerns about safety at large... specially mras call out double standards about it and conservatives are paternalistic to protect women in their view... the issue here is data or infos + opinions get mixed or distorted and lead to unrealistic conclusions or comparisons... the reactionary part is mainly about misinformation or false interpretation/presentation in my opinion... another issue is redpill, conservatism, mras etc are seen as the same mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:45 AM
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translated... liberal women choose conservative men or redpilled players because they are attracted to them... liberal men are unattractive hence women do not approach them...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:56 AM
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are all men conservative or redpilled in your world? maybe the issue here is that conservatism and redpill is seen as the same thing but op seems to be bluepill or progressive leaning... sure you do not know the political view of a stranger but i doubt most women date strangers in like blind dates... if we talk about work and your boss is conservative it is another story BUT if you put gender over competence you are a terrible leader...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:43 AM
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true they get just fired without any reason or gossiped about behind their back how tyrannical or incompetent he is/was... that said do we argue about assertiveness + initiative in various areas or if one gender faces no pushback at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 12:11 AM
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not gonna call your husband that and screw alpha/sigma trash...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:49 PM
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did the commenter specify called a bitch at work or generally?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:47 PM
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true but topic is mainly about dating or not? if you have a conservative boss its another story...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:10 PM
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by who?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:08 PM
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why do you assume i try to use it this way? i do not deny that people face pushback but we are talking about dating behaviors of progressive women... the person i replied to missed that progressive women act like they want a conservative partner... if we talk about a conservative boss at work its a different story...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:05 PM
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same story for men...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:57 PM
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do we compare billionaires now? ok walton or bettencourt meyers... if you want to talk about this topic do it in a good faith way...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:53 PM
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if you are not living in a big city i would agree but if you are progressive you want a progressive partner or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:45 PM
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well and i have seen women do similiar crazy stuff but it got downplayed and now? nobody is forcing you to be assertive but progressive men telling people here it would be nice...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:40 PM
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do you think thats more than 50% of the population?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:37 PM
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how do you think women like angela merkel or margaret thatcher got into their power positions? men face similiar obstacles if they jump into the shark tank of competition...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:30 PM
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if you are progressive why do you care about conservatives calling you that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:25 PM
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who said op or men talk about conservatives only? personally i would exclude them as they are happy as is... i doubt a progressive woman wants a conservative man...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:22 PM
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by conservatives and players "redpilled"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:21 PM
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by conservatives and players
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:20 PM
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who said op or men talk about conservatives only? personally i would exclude them as they are happy as is... i doubt a progressive woman wants a conservative man...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:19 PM
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i think the issue is who identifies as whatever because of what exactly... followed by how issues get tackled and defined... (patriarchy vs gynocentrism)
/r/MensRights07/01/25 06:32 AM
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in my opinion as soon as you label a group as mens anything it will not be taken seriously by society hence i would tackle our topics from a gender neutral perspective... father rights = parental rights or generally working conditions etc... as to why id say because women are also covered even if its passive so less people oppose our points...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/25 06:04 AM
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a lot of anti feminists are in this sub... some say feminists are a hate group and always was one but others say they had some decent points in the past...
/r/MensRights07/01/25 05:41 AM
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it is a waste of time to try to "debate" a radical feminist on patriarchy and hierarchy... thats all about rhetoric & semantic games to ensure equity instead of facts or equality...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 12:48 PM
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quoted a mod of askfeminists (topic - what mra get right) I think many of their complaints are legitimate-- that poor men are often exploited for dangerous, cheap labor; that there isn't much social or cultural support for male victims of sexual and domestic violence; that hegemonic masculinity can be stifling and fragile; that men and boys are lonelier than ever before; that male infant circumcision is still legal and widely practiced in some areas; etc. However, instead of directing their effo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 11:21 PM
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thats about punching up as women are seen as oppressed class "by men" on reddit and many other platforms... in short double standard and arbitary equity...
/r/MensRights04/01/25 12:29 PM
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thats basically playing rhetoric & semantic games by feminists...
/r/MensRights04/01/25 12:17 PM
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thats basically playing rhetoric & semantic games by feminists...
/r/MensRights04/01/25 12:16 PM
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eyeroll yes they do but they do not support abortion and are just hypocritical to drive you mad... redpillers tend to date conservative = pro life...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 09:05 PM

waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 06:05 PM
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your reasoning and conclusions are flawed... people who support parental surrender = abortion + financial abortion do it no matter if it is legal or illegal...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:48 PM

nothing if abortion is illegal continue to argue in bad faith...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:32 PM
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we are talking about a period aslong as abortion is still possible and consent to parenthood... all this talk about men abandon already born children for whatever reason is soo disingenuous as adoption is already a thing...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:16 PM
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consent to parenthood says hello...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 05:08 PM
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patriarchy = conservatism for most feminist leaning people
/r/MensRights24/12/24 10:39 AM
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never had problems with 50/50 on dates but several women "mainly conservative leaning" expected me to pay fully to go on a date at all... redpillers chase conservative women for relationships and liberal women for casual stuff in my opinion... hence your topic...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:37 PM
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if you start to talk about a draft pls make sure it is about an invasion of your country else the feminists wiggle them out... they will almost always say a draft should be terminated... selective service also violates human rights...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 06:44 AM
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personally i would call about 90% here who call themselves mra hypocrits but then again most maga supporters would also call themselves mras... you call said outlier feminists blue haired woke which is pretty similiar... just to be straightforward about it feminists and mras should work hand in hand to achieve a fair equal society but aslong as we argue about trifles like victim olympics we hinder ourselves... as example a majority of mras support abortion, equal pay, consent, parental leave, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:51 PM
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is anybody who calls himselfs mra or feminist automatically one? do you differentiate between manosphere, mras, redpill and so on? seriously i could say similiar things about feminism but i know better and my horizon stretches pretty wide to avoid bubbles and echo chambers... this sub posts sooo much trash that you can not keep up with all of it so pardon if some stuff does not get called out properly...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:25 PM
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agreed! that said your stance about mens rights activism and labeling it as monolith is pretty silly specially if feminism is no monolith in your eyes... you probably understand confirmation bias, no true scotsman fallacy, motte bailey arguments, double standards and so on...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 05:08 PM
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name a work of fiction that would not massively fail financially if it is targeted towards women... "excluding romance" ill wait...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 07:24 AM
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mens rights activism you ignore credible data and start monologues instead of a debate within almost every topic you start... if i would post evidence of mras calling out bigotry and sexism you would continue to claim they do not because of x y z... similiar story if i post bigotry and sexism from feminism you would claim it is not problematic as women punch up vs the oppressor class and feminism is no monolith but mras are one in your opinion...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 11:16 PM
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thats from a current askfeminists post 8h ago but im not allowed to link it... im no feminists but i do agree that toxic behavior has to be condemned no matter the gender...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:44 AM
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ok but it does not sound or look like like that in op... reread pro pedo with the context toxic feminism and tell me whats the first thing comes to your mind... you could have used one of her youtube videos criticising feminism...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:12 AM
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griii2 if you consider camille paglia as a bad feminist example nobody here will be able to provide anything constructive... nobody is 100% pure and publicly known but you did choose this wannabe pedo info about her to slander sexual liberation...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 06:04 AM
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"quote from an askfeminists mod on topic" They want it to be content that gets personally delivered daily to their FYP. None of these guys follow feminists on social media, read feminist writing, belong to feminist organizations, etc. etc., but they are very sure that feminists never call each other out for anything. They want to never see a woman say something they don't like and not be dogpiled by feminists, be it a famous feminist writer or a TikTok teen with 12 followers. I've said this befo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:40 AM
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if we use your example the argument would be if both are drunk the man took advantage of the women if they had sex... in that driving example people could say a 100kg man can take more than a 50kg woman... that said men get harsher sentences as punishment...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 09:49 PM
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yea and who decides if it is different or exactly the same based on what... you could claim double standards are impossible between men and women as they are not the same if you understand what im trying to say... my example was surrender parenthood...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 09:26 PM
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equality for women can be interpreted and presented in various ways... most online feminists push arbitary equity without a credible way to lay out when equality is reached or patriarchy got eliminated... example pay/wage gap or violence generally... would you say it is a double standard how oppression, systemic barriers, discrimination, abuse etc get gendered? just as example bodily autonomy affects men + women and parental surrender aswell... we could frame any point till it fits a certain nar…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 09:18 PM
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op probably equates silencing, womansplaining, whataboutism, victim mentality etc etc with hating men as all of this requires confirmation bias about several issues... example you bring up domestic violence and they ignore your point and talk about how women have it way worse...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:51 PM
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not one is not true as op mentioned camille paglia
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:46 PM
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progressive?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 06:19 AM
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this is the Lisak study and this is the Kelly study
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:09 AM
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i think most feminists complain about the gender structures that were created during the industrial revolution... today we would call that conservatism and in islam extrem paternalism... at which point a patriarchy would cease to exist in your opinion? conservatism will stay aslong as people consent to it = statistical disparities will also remain... if you want a more better depiction of equality "example political representation" just count men vs women ratio in progressive spaces and exclude …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 08:21 AM
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whataboutism happens on both sides and the main problem here is confirmation bias "example pay/wage gap or sexual violence" transforming to victim olympics sadly... thats another issue of mras they get considered to be the manosphere which includes redpillers, pickup artists etc etc... they are not the same but a lot of redpillers would call themselves mras even if they are not...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 05:58 AM
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"represents the average mra" this exactly could be said about feminists aswell but you asked getting past monolithic stuff so... would not consider a tate bro as mra but as a redpiller and thats not the same... feminism vs mens rights activism in my opinion both movements have the same goal but argue about the path we take... if you ask several feminists or mras about certain issues they would agree for example parental surrender, working conditions, consent, gender neutrality and so on... that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 05:48 AM
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rostker v. goldberg "selective service court case"
/r/MensRights12/12/24 05:15 AM
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rostker v. goldberg "selective service court case"
/r/MensRights12/12/24 04:42 AM
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rostker v. goldberg "selective service court case"
/r/MensRights12/12/24 04:41 AM
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women also had rights in ancient egypt...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 09:53 AM
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wait till the usa stops to protect them and their way of life crumbles because of its cost... that said we obviously should strive for a fair and equal society...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:44 AM
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would say the presented numbers are not really credible but then again what gets considered as full legal protection and what not... it is almost impossible to measure such gendered stuff in a credible way similiar to equality vs equity because we have to compare apples vs oranges = double standards in various areas... do you consider social security as legal protection as example? how many countries exempt women from selective service "not counting countries without military"? democratic countr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:52 AM
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rostker v. goldberg "selective service court case"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:48 PM
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rostker v. goldberg "selective service court case"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:46 PM
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if a country "lets say sweden, canada or australia" conscripts its people it should be gender neutral... selective service checks if you are able to contribute... obviously with parents having another status than single people and israel or sweden already conscript women = it is managable... that said voluntary forces are prefered ofcourse...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:20 PM
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thats why i responded to your first sentence about pacifism with my first comment
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:11 PM
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obviously no... is the point not about how a country tackles military service generally?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:09 PM
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do you really think conscripted men fare way better compared to professional soldiers? dead is dead...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:54 PM
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obviously we are talking about women without children getting conscripted and besides that single fathers should be exempt aswell... most stuff you mentioned is pretty irrelevant if you look at the nordic model of military service...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:34 PM
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if a country has to force its citizens to defend it maybe it should collapse...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:17 PM
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if a country has to force its citizens to defend it maybe it should collapse...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:15 PM
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why argue about such stuff anyways? military should be voluntary period... forcing anyone violates human rights...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:12 PM
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1 however the devil is in the detail... specially if we talk about bodily autonomy, pay/wage gap, violence, equality vs equity and so on... more rights should be considered as human rights and not conveniences... obviously there are countries who deny women voting or education etc but whats worse boys getting forced to become soldiers or girls getting forced to marry in such dictatorships = both is terrible...
/r/MensRights10/12/24 05:51 AM
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more power = 50/50 representation in parliament and ceo positions? you may confuse rights with conveniences but the main issue here is upbringing of children and how our society tackles it...
/r/MensRights10/12/24 05:46 AM

people who condemn sex work do not watch such stuff most of the time... people who spend money on of would probably marry a sex worker if she is willing to...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:51 AM

yes but the people who condemn sex work do not watch such stuff most of the time... people who spend money on of would probably marry a sex worker if she is willing to...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 05:49 AM
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distortion is a common feminist tactic to create a gender oppression narrative and we can see that if we look at the details of statistics, studies, surveys and so on... it is either most feminists do this on purpose to get more support or they are absolutely clueless and both is sad... how dare you investigate feminist claims you misogynist patriarch!
/r/MensRights05/12/24 05:39 AM
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toasterchild was asked that but no worries
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 03:18 PM
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will never understand people who think welfare and social security is socialism/communism... sure there are several issues regarding funding and spending as we can see in germany or sweden or canada but thats still better than skyscraper violence, homelessness and misery... that said those countries are able to do this at the back of the usa guaranteeing their security...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:35 AM
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just as a sidenote the majority of mras support parental surrender/abortion...
/r/MensRights04/12/24 06:29 AM
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how you described it absolutely would not date as our daily lifes would not match at all... that said do i have to marry her or is a casual relationship considered as dating? do you consider single parents as broke aswell? if im a millionaire i do not care if she works as a bartender, teacher or real estate broker but i care about her values...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:00 AM
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do you think single mothers are seen as "bum" looking for a free ride by society?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:52 AM
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well i think people label themselves as progressive if they voted obama or support abortion or are anti capitalist but that still does not say something about their upbringing and how they deal with relationships... similiar story with conservatism but seriously how many of them are virgin if they marry and stay together till they die?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:46 AM
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well we could discuss about femicide vs murder or similiar stuff and why feminists insist on gendering it but thats probably a waste of time as it also heavily depends on correct analyzed data and we lack credible comparisons...
/r/MensRights03/12/24 04:42 PM
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"women lacking rights aswell" probably bodily autonomy + how sexual violence generally gets tackled by society...
/r/MensRights03/12/24 01:50 PM
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my point is how can you tell we did or did not achieve equality already in various areas? improving overall conditions for everybody is fine but people claim for example men have bodily autonomy but women not or mainly men incite domestic violence "duluth model" or men earn more money per hour and so on which obviously leads to ignoring mens issues by framing them a certain way... the same is true for various womens issues ofcourse... we have to find solid solutions for upbringing of children/ad…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 07:44 AM
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feminism vs mens rights activism how do you differentiate between arbitary equity and equality of opportunity? as far as i know there is no credible way to measure it and almost each action taken shoots past the goal of a fair gender neutral society... as we can see with pay/wage gap, violence generally, upbringing of children and so on...
/r/MensRights03/12/24 06:46 AM
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ok i ask again are men or women or the rich or current government or the democrats or the republicans or liberals or conservatives and so on responsible for stuff like barring women from combat or non combat roles? who opposes gender neutrality if somebody brings a violation of the constitution foward at the supreme court? i do know that most politicians and feminists try to avoid this but the rostker v. goldberg court case revealed many things... court case that said if you mention feminists he…
/r/MensRights03/12/24 04:29 AM
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the user said because the military is seen as a male thing but not by who and also missed how gender neutrality was opposed... if you want an essay about it i can post it...
/r/MensRights02/12/24 06:50 PM
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actually it is better to read the real thing instead of the wiki to understand whats going on here... another user already cited the important parts in this thread... court case
/r/MensRights02/12/24 06:44 PM
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thanks for the infos... i would add it in op but not able to on phone...
/r/MensRights02/12/24 02:27 PM
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who hinders adjustments of said laws to become gender neutral or abolishing it and where did you mention why women are exempt even if they do not pay for it? in other countries even conservatives talk about conscripting women = sweden or israel conscript women already...
/r/MensRights02/12/24 01:26 PM
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well i know that people like steven crowder oppose women in the military, police and several other jobs... that said i do not think its about single persons but about conservatism vs liberalism and family structures within it...
/r/MensRights02/12/24 12:31 PM
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well israel and sweden conscript women = some realize it is anti human rights or sexist... my question was who champions gender based forced military service and why...
/r/MensRights02/12/24 10:27 AM
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did you read rostker v. goldberg? actually it is better to read the real thing instead of the wiki to understand whats going on here... another user already cited the important parts in this thread... court case seen as male thing by who exactly?
/r/MensRights02/12/24 09:16 AM
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did you read rostker v. goldberg? the question was who opposes this and why...
/r/MensRights02/12/24 08:23 AM
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wrong question as the issue is about violating said rights and we should tackle it gender neutral... men and women do not have bodily autonomy for example...
/r/MensRights02/12/24 05:59 AM
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did they not do that during the vietnam conflict and it got abolished 1973 but reinstated later as voluntary forces were not enough? do not argue with people here about opinions use solid evidence... feminists in our country realized that they have to defend liberty with force after the ukraine-russia conflict and israel + sweden got it aswell that selective service for one gender is sexist... we have to tackle most issues gender neutral but conservatives "not just men" oppose that...
/r/MensRights02/12/24 04:59 AM
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did they not do that during the vietnam conflict and it got abolished 1973 but reinstated later as voluntary forces were not enough? selective service wiki rostker v goldberg
/r/MensRights02/12/24 04:46 AM
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incoming feminists claiming equity "affirmative action" is necessary to achieve equality after +1000 years of oppression and to smash the patriarchy...
/r/MensRights01/12/24 04:18 PM
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feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/MensRights01/12/24 02:50 PM
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quote from KaliTheCat "mod of askfeminists" (topic - what mra get right) I think many of their complaints are legitimate-- that poor men are often exploited for dangerous, cheap labor; that there isn't much social or cultural support for male victims of sexual and domestic violence; that hegemonic masculinity can be stifling and fragile; that men and boys are lonelier than ever before; that male infant circumcision is still legal and widely practiced in some areas; etc. However, instead of direc…
/r/MensRights01/12/24 02:02 PM
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may i ask another question... how should feminism look like to be a womens rights movement OR how many feminists claim an equality for women movement? if feminists would openly condemn the duluth model, genital mutilation, forced military service and so on... if they stop to distort data to create an oppression narrative and so on... currently feminism is in theory about equality but in practice about equity... which becomes a problem if the measurements and evaluations are arbitary... at which …
/r/MensRights01/12/24 01:41 PM
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thats the feminist lens at work
/r/MensRights30/11/24 02:59 PM
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the core issues are obviously upbringing of children/adoption, parental surrender/abortion, marriage, consent and generally speaking working conditions... if we look at countries with decent parental leave etc they have the lowest gender disparity within the same field... yet we "as we can see on reddit or the media" argue about who has it worse instead of discussing how to reach gender neutrality...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:12 PM
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my problem is not her work and i already said i support a fair gender neutral society... i think the 46 pages are quite interesting and we would need way more of such research...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:59 PM
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"is not just" is exactly the issue here as nobody claimed it is just that but i guess i waste my time...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:47 PM
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i know her work and you should reread what was written by her if you do not want to embarrass yourself...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:08 PM
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wage gap and pay gap is not the same thing the wage gap exists because men work more hours than women even within the same job same qualification no matter if fulltime or parttime and all variables adjusted... we can look at policies from countries with a wage gap of lower than 1% to see what is effective "mainly parental leave + decent working conditions" to close the gap and to prevent misleading math -> conclusions... the nurse salary report + A higher proportion of male nurses (8%) hold an A…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:00 PM
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the issue is the hours worked is NOT accounted for but you have to read the details of methodology... men also never had bodily autonomy and their consent gets violated daily... i do not argue that there is no oppression or discrimination of women but i do it about correct represenation of data... i fully support a fair gender neutral society! did you subtract conservative parliament members or just counted the liberal members to have the proper numbers? 43% of the democratic house are women...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 06:54 PM
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people claim oppression if a democratic parliament consists of 51% of one gender OR if one gender works more hours and gets paid accordingly per hour and so on... people suck at analyzing data correctly and create arbitary conclusions based on that...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:38 PM
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behaviors like that should be condemned no matter the gender...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:08 PM
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well this depends on which base we setup... either men and women are oppressed OR nobody is oppressed in a democracy... the issue here is we argue about who is more affected based on double standards instead of how to solve the stuff... mras claim men never had bodily autonomy AND support parental surrender/abortion + consent...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:05 PM
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no point to argue about abortion if you are pro choice... radicals claim oppression if a parliament is 51% one gender in a democracy even if abortion would be legal as you can see in other countries...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 04:59 PM
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in dictatorships for example boys are forced to become soldiers and girls to marry = both men and women are oppressed by the upper class... people argue that mainly men hold positions of power but that is not the issue and just a result of practicallity... if you look at north korea the next supreme leader will be a woman most likely... if we talk about western democracies men and women get neglected policy wise but we as people argue about who has it worse instead of how to fix the core issues …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:48 PM
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not exactly... mens rights activists support abortion, contraceptives, reproductive rights and have nothing to do with redpill or conservatism... the issue is how people tackle equality & equity and not the goal at the end... you have to setup a decent base for all genders else you worsen the situation for all without realizing why and resentment vs men or women blinds you... just as example if you try to fix the pay/wage gap with paying women more + better conditions the result will be women wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 11:18 AM
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in dictatorships for example boys are forced to become soldiers and girls to marry = both men and women are oppressed by the upper class... people argue that mainly men hold positions of power but that is not the issue and just a result of practicallity... if you look at north korea the next supreme leader will be a woman most likely... if we talk about western democracies men and women get neglected policy wise but we as people argue about who has it worse instead of how to fix the core issues …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 09:38 AM
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men are also oppressed in dictatorships hence no need to gender it... idk if it is worse to be forced to become a child soldier as a boy vs forced marriages for girls... regarding the us "i support abortion" men also lost the option to surrender parenthood and consent to parenthood for men gets violated since forever... aslong as there are free elections nobody gets oppressed BUT neglected... abortion data
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 09:21 AM
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men are also oppressed in dictatorships hence no need to gender it... idk if it is worse to be forced to become a child soldier as a boy vs forced marriages for girls...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 09:16 AM
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did you get the needed healthcare under obama or biden? uff would you say the same about gender if it is 50-50%?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 09:11 AM
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abortion data
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 09:09 AM
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why do we have to gender oppression if men and women get oppressed in similiar % areas... that said it should be discussed about class and not gender... if we strive for a fair gender neutral society we have to set a base for it...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 09:06 AM
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it is not by default as people cater to tendencies in our society and have to finance expenses... that said i agree that we should strive for a fair gender neutral society...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 09:04 AM
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why do we have to gender oppression if men and women get oppressed in similiar % areas... that said it should be discussed about class and not gender...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:39 AM
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why do we have to gender oppression if men and women get oppressed in similiar % areas... that said it should be discussed about class and not gender...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:37 AM
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na the debate is about why do we have to gender oppression if men and women get oppressed in similiar % areas... that said it should be discussed about class and not gender...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:37 AM
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ofcourse semantics matter BUT playing games with it is arguing in bad faith and distorts the truth...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:56 PM
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you ask people what makes upbringing of children harder than work and i want more details of their claims as it sounds like terrible organization or evaluation of various tasks
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:03 AM
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abuse of data
/r/MensRights27/11/24 08:01 AM
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if you ask stuff like that also ask if people compare office jobs with parenting or something more taxing... in addition to that how much time people spend on chores...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:56 AM
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our society genders stuff that does not have to be gendered... people do not understand how equality looks like in practice as they compare apples to oranges... all you have to ask is how people would tackle upbringing of children/adoption, marriage/divorce, parental surrender/abortion and consent in a fair gender neutral way...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 07:32 AM
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well even if you match all criteria at the end men still have to write first or get a very rare "hi" = you have to impress with a witty first msg anyways... there is a reason why a lot of people are single for a long time or jump from relationship to another almost each day... if you as a man date a lot you know what i mean = concealed children, concealed mental health issues and so on... dating apps are a plague...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:04 AM
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actually it is fully understandable but splitting chores does not affect that and thats the discussion here... there are several reasons why one parent stays at home but a couple negotiates that... people fail to distribute work in a fair way in our society and almost nobody wants to talk about how to compare raising children and household chores in a realistic way to other work...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 08:19 AM
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male privilege
/r/MensRights25/11/24 08:34 PM
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feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/MensRights25/11/24 08:31 PM
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the feminist lens distorts data...
/r/MensRights25/11/24 06:47 AM
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do you have a source for that? after a quick search the 7 poorest states are led by republican with arkansas and mississippi at the bottom... red vs blue states compared
/r/MensRights24/11/24 10:47 AM
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ok what do you call out exactly? which policies do mras oppose to anger you that much? if what op claims is false refute it with evidence...
/r/MensRights24/11/24 10:02 AM
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mens rights activism most will probably mention warren farrell or karen straughan...
/r/MensRights24/11/24 08:42 AM
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all you did is feed the anti feminists in this sub as you presented no sensible solutions to said issues
/r/MensRights24/11/24 05:29 AM
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ok continue to unload with your monologues instead of talking about how to tackle said issues...
/r/MensRights24/11/24 05:24 AM
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do you realize that the 4b movement is exactly what conservatives want from liberal women? if you want to talk about statistics, studies and facts in good faith pm me...
/r/MensRights24/11/24 05:13 AM
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AND society focuses on the 15 people who are not men which leads to another 100 deaths and so on... btw you waste your time in this post about feminism...
/r/MensRights24/11/24 05:02 AM
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if you actually want to talk about your statistics post in this sub in good faith be my guest but as comments got locked pm me
/r/MensRights24/11/24 04:54 AM

partly true as conservative women "most conservative men with that stance have a wife" are also against gender neutral or abolishment... it should be abolished indeed... thats one point of view but the hypocrisy is revealed as soon as people talk about parental surrender or consent to parenthood for men... the other point of view would be consent to sex is consent to parenthood and just to be clear thats not my stance...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:19 AM

is abortion not in most cases an accountability issue? "just to be clear im pro choice" as another user said selective service for men is a violation of the 14. amendment... men getting scammed by almost all social safety nets violates equal protection aswell... that said op is off the road wild with his "dating" takes...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 06:09 AM
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compare wedding cake vs birthday cake prices or normal mouse, keyboard, office chair vs gamer mouse, keyboard, chair prices... do menstrual pads cost more than incontinence pads? this entire thing is silly and all about the feminist lens...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 07:55 PM
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why use this comedy example if the us womens soccer team court case is a prime example of hypocrisy?
/r/MensRights22/11/24 06:30 AM
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what do feminists and mras think of eachother?
/r/MensRights20/11/24 09:29 PM
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feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/MensRights20/11/24 09:27 PM
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feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/MensRights20/11/24 09:25 PM
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i think we should focus on men get expoited in various jobs and have to work under terrible conditions... how society tackles sexuality and upbringing of children generally is problematic no matter the gender sadly...
/r/MensRights20/11/24 09:31 AM
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would really like to know how we should get past competence hierarchies and people exploiting that non hierarchal cooperative system for personal gains... we will never achieve equality between women and men as we are unable to measure it in a credible way which leads to never reaching the goal... that said we certainly should still strive for a fair and supportive "gender neutral?" society...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 07:03 PM
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this entire thing is about feminists claiming to fight for equality while pushing arbitary equity as there is no credible way to measure it specially if they compare apples to oranges = pushing past it till it is discrimination... the achievements of feminism sound like plagiarism... a prime example for this is the gender pay/wage gap and how feminists tackle this topic...
/r/MensRights19/11/24 01:20 PM
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i guess the bias appears if feminists distort the facts to create a gender oppression narrative for example crime statistics, pay and so on...
/r/MensRights19/11/24 06:31 AM
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gender pay/wage gap, rape culture, toxic masculinity, mansplaining, the pink tax, patriarchy, violence generally, equality vs equity and so on... yes there are real issues behind those terms but the data gets distorted and most of the time gendered were it does not have to be... feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/MensRights19/11/24 06:24 AM
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feminism vs mens rights activism
/r/MensRights18/11/24 08:32 PM
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indeed
/r/MensRights18/11/24 06:14 AM
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quoted from feminists in askfeminists...
/r/MensRights18/11/24 06:13 AM
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if im on my phone i do not bother but i do know that sadly it is not allowed to link to the comment anymore
/r/MensRights17/11/24 05:23 PM
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read my first comment in this thread
/r/MensRights17/11/24 04:13 PM
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dude can you read? this is not my stance...
/r/MensRights17/11/24 03:44 PM
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-you +we
/r/MensRights17/11/24 03:35 PM
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topic = reciprocal violence We’ve talked about this before and DistinctBat has already cited several research articles about this issue https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/tbu6bc/how_reliable_are_gendered_abuse_statistics/ https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/ttbw2c/why_is_it_politically_correct_to_refer_to/ https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/tx0h7c/please_help_to_educate_me/ There’s some disagreement between people in the field of domestic violence and researchers …
/r/MensRights17/11/24 08:01 AM
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topic = effects of the duluth model The Duluth Model is horribly misunderstood and misrepresented. It has some excellent applications. I am quite interested in watching how the ACTV model develops and am following that closely — initial pilot programs look very promising.
/r/MensRights17/11/24 07:58 AM
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topic = duluth model boogeyman of the manosphere It is not all that accurately portrayed. First, detractors seem to act like it is a law or police policy, and it is not. The Duluth Model is a batterer intervention program used with those convicted of domestic violence. It is not what guides police protocol in responding to domestic violence calls, nor is it a model used by courts in determining guilt or sentencing. It really doesn’t come into play until someone has been convicted of domestic vio…
/r/MensRights17/11/24 07:56 AM
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after a quick feminist sub search i would say they are aware about the problems the duluth model creates/causes but they will never hold other feminists accountable past choice feminism or terfs... look at the following feminist quotes...
/r/MensRights17/11/24 07:49 AM
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well all feminists will say is they are no monolith and feminism is about equality
/r/MensRights17/11/24 07:33 AM
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after a quick feminist sub search i would say they are aware about the problems the duluth model creates/causes but they will never hold other feminists accountable past choice feminism or terfs...
/r/MensRights17/11/24 07:15 AM
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do the feminists around you even know what the duluth model is? maybe you should visit feminist subs and search for duluth and read what they say about it...
/r/MensRights17/11/24 07:11 AM
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this is about burqa vs hot pants and see through top i guess... if we look past that our society has various issues with sexuality and how it affects upbringing of children or lust generally... personally i do not care if people run around naked...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:27 AM
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this is about burqa vs hot pants and see through top i guess... if we look past that our society has various issues with sexuality and how it affects upbringing of children or lust generally... personally i do not care if people run around naked...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 10:26 AM
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let the feminists deal with that
/r/MensRights15/11/24 05:37 PM
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many people are ignorant about mens bodily autonomy generally...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:08 PM

many people are ignorant about mens bodily autonomy generally...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:31 PM
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there is a reason why i do not argue with ignorant bad faith people like her as no evidence will be enough or recognized... the proper response to bad faith people would be that there are also no laws violating womens bodily autonomy aswell as abortion is legal if the life of women is in danger... that said it is a waste of time to go through that as you saw and people like that are easy to spot...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:23 AM
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why is he/she not able to split everything 50/50 with the exception of pregnancy? are we talking about renting a castle which exceeds their income or 12 hours of work a day? if one partner creates more chaos is he/she required to do more?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:25 PM
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ok bad faith conversation ends right here... have a nice day...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:55 PM
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feminists about misandry vs misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:53 PM
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well harris said there are no laws violating mens bodily autonomy and her campaign contained you are not a man if you do not vote me... a lot of people think dei is terrible and social benefits scam men...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:51 PM
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you waste your time mras are divided on various topics similiar to feminists "example terfs" but if you want to compare apples to oranges be my guest...
/r/MensRights14/11/24 12:45 PM
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why do you want to debunk it? feminists frame everything through their lense and under the patriarchy umbrella everything is attributed to men...
/r/MensRights14/11/24 09:56 AM
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win what exactly? if conservatism or liberalism is better for a society? for example we still do not know which upbringing of children is best... we also do not know if high or low taxes is best... in my opinion a society needs a mixture of various things to properly work... after watching kasparian vs shapiro it becomes quite clear in which direction such "debates" go... depending on the topic both can win but im leaning to the more liberal side... that said seder would destroy crowder, walsh, …
/r/MensRights14/11/24 08:36 AM
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maybe but i think shapiro is more respectful in debates and in my opinion it is not about winning a debate
/r/MensRights14/11/24 06:49 AM
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he is more like crowder or walsh but with better arguments... compared to that shapiro vs kasparian is on another level...
/r/MensRights14/11/24 06:42 AM
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death on duty to hold together society, social safety scamming men and so on...
/r/MensRights13/11/24 07:17 AM
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obviously they did not stop it and i also agree its low priority... as i said it sounds like plagiarism... his claim was the draft ended but got reinstated and feminists helped in some form... feminists are all about semantics/rethoric games and would claim that if 1 out of 10 did this to support their narrative...
/r/MensRights13/11/24 06:59 AM
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what do you want them to do? drop the equality claims or make protesting the draft a priority? all i said was yes they participated but not to which extent it actually did something... obviously this sounds like plagiarism...
/r/MensRights13/11/24 06:23 AM
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some links gathered what you search is hard to find because the focus is elsewhere...
/r/MensRights13/11/24 05:53 AM
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no... the point some people here make is that western conservative women also vote and have the same religious values as their husband... same story with who built the system and similiar "gotcha" silly stuff... there is no need to gender it to condemn such atrocities...
/r/MensRights13/11/24 05:46 AM
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yes
/r/MensRights13/11/24 05:40 AM
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