patriarchy vs gynocentrism

phoenician_anarchist · 2025-01-16T06:41:24+00:00

"Patriarchy" is a phantom invented by Feminism to act as their Devil, "gynocentrism" is something that Feminists abuse in order to push their ideology.

(and neither of them have anything to do with tabula rasa)

Excellent_You5494 · 2025-01-16T05:23:14+00:00

Warren Farrell said, "gyno-centric patriarchy."

reverbiscrap · 2025-01-16T07:51:45+00:00

Op, the phrase you are actually looking for is 'Patriarchy by Feminist specifications'.

That said, the African American community is a functioning gynocracy; America as a whole is a state run matriarchy, and there is a difference.

Upper-Divide-7842 · 2025-01-16T15:30:06+00:00

The Patriarchy and gynocentrism are only the same thing in so far as morons use them both as a catch all term for every problem in society.

Patriarchy (note I do not say THE patriarchy) is a real thing. It is the principle of leadership roles in society being fulfilled by men as a matter of policy. It is caused by gynocentrism, the principle of keeping women in the safest and least stressful roles in society so as to ensure they produce the maximum amount of offspring.

Patriarchy is a sociological order while Gynocentrisn is a reflection of an evoloutionary imperative.

Both effect our lives today. In some cases the sociological principles of patriarchy can overwrite some of the principles of gynocentrism. For example if you have to choose between a son and a daughter surviving, gynocentrism would say save the daughter because she is female, this instinct is still alive and well in humans as many studies have shown, however if you live in a patriarchy your sons utility is increased because he can generate income for your family in the way a daughter is not expected to and perhaps not even able to.

As such the choice becomes one of saving a valuable tool needed for your work or an expensive but not particularly useful piece of jewelry.

The Patriarchy (and this can apply to some interpretations of gynocentrism) is essentially a religious concept, a gnostic demiurge responsible for all evils in the world including, paradoxically, itself.

As for the rest of your comment, the only situation I'm aware of where anyone if either gender is literally forced to do something in line with their traditional gender role is the draft where you get arrested if you don't serve.

I think a serious part of this conversation needs to be to what extent gendered differences are actually a result of these now defunct principles Vs what extent they represent authentic differences between the sexes.

Also you have gender based issues that can't be reasonably said to be directly caused by either patriarchy or gynocentrism.

For example circumsision. Circumcision is a problem for both sexes, it's massively widespread for men but where it does rarely happen to women it can be a much worse operation to undergo.

Now, are either FGM or MGM a necessary component of a gynocentric patriarchy? Obviously not as the majority of such societies do only one of or neither of these things. So what grounds is there to attribute these problems to gynocentrism or patriarchy?

flashliberty5467 · 2025-01-16T05:54:48+00:00

I don’t believe that we should be micromanaging people’s personal relationships

What roles people play if they are in a relationship is none of our business

Not to mention different people want different things from a relationship

I don’t believe we should promote a specific type of relationship as the ideal

Snoo_78037 · 2025-01-16T15:35:01+00:00

Yes. Also, I don't think the protector provider role for men is Conservative. Both leftists of conservatives promote that but in different ways. The left tells men to make women feel safe and not to be "toxic." they also appeal to men's desire to protect and provide for women. They also think the man should approach first and pay for the full bill. Both sides promote one-sided chivalry. They never say women should take responsibility for the way they treat them. Protect them socially, etc. The onus to "do better" is always on men. Both sides promote traditional values and are focused on maintaining the status quo. The gender roles for men have changed a lot less than the gender roles for women, which have always been more flexible than men's.

RealStarkey · 2025-01-16T13:49:10+00:00

It’s a breeding order, nothing more. Where who gets use violence separates the name.

I like genderism

Counter-Waste · 2025-01-16T18:36:11+00:00

"should we as mras not advocate for women filling the provider + protector role and men the nurture + support role in relationships aswell?" definitely! Yet, I have seen people on here do the exact opposite and claim "crazy feminists" are the ones that are advocating for relationships that are outside the norm of man= provider and woman= nurturer and these people get upvotes and support. I have actually been disappointed to see many people advocate for traditional relationships and blame feminism for there being less traditional relationships as a man who actually wants an equal relationship but apparently that's too feminist for this sub.

anyway, the argument you will hear most often in response to what you're saying is "well men and women just naturally fulfill those roles, so even if you remove all gender norms and expectations you'll still end up with men being the provider and women being the nurturer."

But whatever, I don't think many men on this sub actually agree with you in regards to this, at least in my experience from what I've seen.

No_Leather3994 · 2025-01-17T03:07:23+00:00

What roles people play doesn't really matter. Some men are better at being stay at home dads and some women have good careers so makes sense they make the money.

However whilst yes patriarchy and gynocentrism both have the same origin as in its the same thing called different names the use has changed drastically relatively recently. Gynocentrism has taken over you see it everywhere, people stepping on eggshells around women, double standards, the draft still being a thing, in the UK men can't be raped by women, misogyny is to be treated the same as extremism, they want to tear down female prisons, and men that are abused are being counted as violence against women. Its just gone so far that it needs reigning in. Its no longer a free or at least try to be somewhat balanced now its overwhelmingly tilted to one side

mrkpxx · 2025-01-16T13:01:01+00:00

We live in a gynocentric matriarchy, but gynocentrism only works under a patriarchy.

SaltSpecialistSalt · 2025-01-16T13:11:36+00:00

all biological species with male-female dynamic are naturally gynocentric. it cannot be otherwise or the species cannot survive. what feminists call as "patriarchy" is just a clever adaptation to counter this gynocentric tendency in order to make male population more useful for the society. it is important to note that there is no single civilization in history which hasnt adopted patriarchal structure so we can say comfortably that civilization is the result of patriarchy and patriarchy benefits women too. if you have any doubts about it look at the living conditions in any society without civilization and compare it to the life standard of women in a so called "patriarchal" civilized society

Counter-Waste · 2025-01-16T18:35:43+00:00

"should we as mras not advocate for women filling the provider + protector role and men the nurture + support role in relationships aswell?" definitely! Yet, I have seen people on here do the exact opposite and claim "crazy feminists" are the ones that are advocating for relationships that are outside the norm of man= provider and woman= nurturer and these people get upvotes and support. I have actually been disappointed to see many people advocate for traditional relationships and blame feminism for there being less traditional relationships as a man who actually wants an equal relationship but apparently that's too feminist for this sub.

anyway, the argument you will hear most often in response to what you're saying is "when men and women just naturally fulfill those roles, so even if you remove all gender norms and expectations you'll still end up with men being the provider and women being the nurturer."

But whatever, I don't think many men on this sub actually agree with you in regards to this, at least in my experience from what I've seen.

Title	patriarchy vs gynocentrism
Author	Main-Tiger8593
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Date	January 16, 2025 5:17 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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