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So true, best advice to any man is even if you do get a GF/LTR - or even a bloody marriage - do NOT give up any hobbies, interests and especially dreams. Of course if you're a MGTOW this is a given and the default state anyway - we live for our own wellbeing/interests/hobbies/dreams/whatever and not for fulfilling the wants of some woman. Marriage and "serious" LTRs being out-of-the-question really helps ensure this.
/r/MGTOW15/07/17 12:40 PM
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Anyways, you dont need to go so far. In high school all girls in your class were bad already. This. I was leaning to red-pill ideas and became suspicious of women before I even turned 16, thanks to the blatant hoes in school.
/r/MGTOW12/07/17 02:12 PM
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At the very least, she was fucking him long before her husband died. But I agree there is probably more to this than just that. Bets are it won't be thoroughly investigated though so we will probably never know much more than we do now.
/r/MGTOW12/07/17 01:37 AM
1

I can't help but think a normal reaction would be failure to accept that fact and lots of "quick, help!" "call an ambulance" etc. If that's her initial reaction then I think it's a tad more evidence this isn't as it seems. Like she knew he was or would be dead, or at least was not all that upset by it even if it was a surprise.
/r/MGTOW12/07/17 01:28 AM
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The DM is mostly written for and read by women, I expect most comments are by women. But you're right, the women's comments are heartless and solipsistic (surprise surprise) men's comments are fucking pathetic cuckery!
/r/MGTOW12/07/17 01:23 AM
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They provide services of child bearing and rearing, as well as supporting men with emotional, sexual, domestic and societal maintenance. And despite them doing the worst job in history of providing these services to society, society pays the highest price ever for its women. There's the common profound imbalance here on the macro scale - on the micro scale, the more you give a woman the less she gives back, here it occurs in collective/societal proportions. I don't know why this happens on eithe…
/r/MGTOW12/07/17 12:18 AM
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Most do if you look them in the eyes for a few seconds, but some really aggressive women never seem to move, even if it means them getting knocked over - well if that's their wish then so be it I guess.
/r/MGTOW11/07/17 12:36 PM
8

Reminds me of the saying "if she ain't sucking your dick, she's sucking someone else's"
/r/MGTOW11/07/17 11:49 AM
4

Because male love, when strong, is unconditional like we see portrayed from women. Women's is almost never thus, they do not love without a reason. In fact it is a mockery of love to call what women feel 'love' - it's more of a mere liking or attraction, or an obsession when very strong. Although it has powerful effects on them and appears deep, it is not enduring without constant ever-increasing maintenance. It doesn't contain anywhere near the measure of commitment and long-termism.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 10:46 PM
3

I think the biggest reason is that a sick or disabled man cannot earn money. Money is number-one with women, no matter how much they claim it isn't.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 10:29 PM
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It's false marketing AND prostitution. Also, arguably alimony is slavery, the hen-pecking and manipulation of the typical woman is emotional abuse, and divorce is often grand theft. All illegal and socially unacceptable (usually) on their own but roll them into a package, give them religious approval, build a societal mythos surrounding it, and make sure women mostly benefit and rarely suffer from it - and bingo! it's not only permitted but encouraged by both the state and mainstream culture.s
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 10:19 PM
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Big difference between verbally "taking responsibility" like that and, well, actually taking responsibility - admitting to yourself and meaning it, taking some steps to either accept that's how things are or start changing it.
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 07:17 AM
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If you know the guy personally, be there for him as best as possible. Otherwise help wake up men who are ready, so they can avoid it before it befalls them. That's about it sadly.
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 05:25 AM
2

Orbiters are "below" backup guys to her, they're just for attention/gifts/compliments/emotional-release (and shit-tests and jealousy like you said) etc who she wouldn't normally have sex with in a million years. Backup guys she is ok with having sex with IF and only if there's no Chad or other 1st choice guy about. I say normally because the same guy can be both sometimes, but not often.
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 04:56 AM
2

And why haven't those indoctrination centres lost more of their reputation yet when they've been like this for decades
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 03:25 AM
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Damn right! And the more feral women become the more men will truly realise not to marry them. Which is only the beginning, many/most guys also need to stop pedestalising them, being overly trusting of them, giving them un-reciprocated stuff/time/validation and defending them by default even when they're clearly in the wrong or there is no reason to side with them or believe them - and probably more things too. But all this will happen to more and more men, starting with the refusal to marry, if…
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 02:50 AM
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Sums it up simply - it's because men are taller than women that height is seen as more male. This effect can presumably go further due to social dynamics (hypergamy, groupthink and shared valuation) until a whole bunch of women want >6ft men specifically, rather than just tall men or men who are taller than themself/women.
/r/MGTOW13/06/17 09:04 AM
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A prostitute is a job, a whore is a lifestyle.
/r/MGTOW13/06/17 08:51 AM
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It's a false dichotomy, there are things in between as well as things that are neither. It is a useful easy way to explain how men who don't respect themselves get treated like shit, and to show men that they have to value themselves. But reality isn't that simple. It doesn't hold up that well in reality because it's oversimplified - you can't reduce men down to two exclusive categories, let alone use those categories to predict everything they'll do and how others will respond. IMO we should tr…
/r/MGTOW12/06/17 11:00 AM
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That's one of the main reasons it's not worth it, for me anyway. You can't just pass a bunch of tests and be done, the tests keep coming like clockwork - and even if you passed the last 100 of them, a few fails overrides all of them. The constant testing is due to their neuroticism and the way only the last few tests matter is because they can't project themselves into other situations well, they're mentally stuck in the present. Since both those things are due to women's basic psychology, so th…
/r/MGTOW12/06/17 10:43 AM
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Many mothers want you to be their fashion accessory or experiment, to mold you how they want into what they think is cool at the moment. That's a lot of the reason many women have children in the first place. So if and when you become your own man, do what you enjoy and screw what her or society proscribes for you, she resents you for it. What mothers want their kids to be varies so much, but the principle is the same. That's been my experience too, my mother always trying to turn me and my brot…
/r/MGTOW04/06/17 03:01 AM
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If you're just looking for a fuck, that can work really well. Make them think they're gonna get something out of you, and they'll really try hard. But you must make an unbreakable promise to yourself that you will never have any more contact with her after a certain point (e.g. one fuck or one week of meeting IRL or whatever, it must be a short time). Then just carry out the plan military style with no deviations at all, and it's radio silence when that planned time comes - disappear. This basic…
/r/MGTOW03/06/17 05:06 AM
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Asian girls are ball-busting betafiers in the extreme, you have to be red-pilled to deal with them for sure. That might just be by chance since I don't know many asian girls but I'm sure you know if that's true or not.
/r/MGTOW03/06/17 04:23 AM
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This is true of many women, everything is fake. I can't see how they even cope with it, how do they live like that. I fake things some of the time because it can be such a huge benefit - even a requirement - in certain situations. But I need lots of time to "recover" and could never stand faking things more than a small amount of the time. It's tiring and feels hollow. Yet a fair amount of women do it all the time, and most women do it a lot. I think their brains are wired to tolerate it much be…
/r/MGTOW03/06/17 04:15 AM
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Women are children, so it kinda is child support.
/r/MGTOW03/06/17 02:23 AM
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Projection. Women project an awful lot.
/r/MGTOW01/06/17 04:11 AM
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It kinda makes sense. Some women don't understand that what men find attractive isn't the same as what they find attractive. Some men don't get that either. It's why many women are surprised by the wall and/or shocked their well-paid/prestigious job doesn't get men queing up just to hear them fart. Because age doesn't matter much at all to them while money and status matter the most, they really don't realise how much their age matters to men, and how their career and money don't matter at all r…
/r/MGTOW01/06/17 04:04 AM
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Exactly, and that doesn't even mean they're more emotional internally (IME they're less so) it's just that they visibly/externally emote a lot.
/r/MGTOW01/06/17 02:32 AM
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As if women are the only people with feelings. This is the best way I've ever seen or heard it put. It sums up womens' solipsistic attitude towards men, and also society's and sadly even many mens' attitude. It is like men are robots that exist to serve - without desires and purpose of our own. I find it odd that any men have that attitude, since we know for sure that men have thoughts, feelings, desires, fears, needs and objectives - because we are men and we have those things. But the men who …
/r/MGTOW01/06/17 02:27 AM
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Having spent a lot of time in academia and around academic people - yes many of them are. Even scientists, who I'd expect to be more rational, although they are the least bad by far, that's the least bad of a very bad bunch. Academics just don't have a clue about the real world or everyday life, or people, because they're all tucked away in their institutional bubbles.
/r/MGTOW30/05/17 10:34 PM
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While I completely agree, I think there's a very big difference between men and women here that's missing. This isn't really related to your comment but just the overall discussion here. The difference and separation between attractiveness and pure looks is important to all this, because they aren't the same thing, looks are part of attractiveness. Women's conscious and subconscious rating of a man's looks is very different from how us men rate women's looks IME. We just look and see, certain fe…
/r/MGTOW30/05/17 10:31 PM
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It's not surprising given the type of people who flock to psychology courses - stuffed full of women. If I remember right it's about 80% women, and is women's top degree course (major for all you Americans). And the small portion of men that are there are, in aggregate, far from redpill and/or experienced in life. Sociology is the other place these kind of studies pour out from, and it's somewhat similar. Lots of women, except this time the men and women are typically very political and opiniona…
/r/MGTOW30/05/17 02:00 AM
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Good expression!
/r/MGTOW29/05/17 08:17 AM
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But I guess, these women's egos are too big to love another human being. That really is the core of it, and maybe partly why modern women don't love properly (though there are also biological reasons for that too). You cannot love someone if you believe you're somehow superior to them and above them. Modern women think they're light-years ahead of men (lol) and that they're just so much better than the vast majority of men. When you're bombarded with propaganda telling you how you're so special …
/r/MGTOW29/05/17 05:48 AM
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I can see why women who get serious lots of attention will put up bitchy shields to deter attention, and they also sometimes filter out guys who are scared off by it, like it's a shit test. But those tend to be 6-8 girls IME and the really hot ones above that don't do it nearly as much. Most of the few women I've ever known be actually nice are/were hot too, they're the only ones who would do things they didn't benefit from to help others.
/r/MGTOW29/05/17 05:32 AM
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Wow thanks for the long comment, I totally agree. Your first point is especially true IMO, one girl I knew years ago who met this description (really hot but polite, kind, civilized and, for a woman, thoughtful and intelligent) never had a boyfriend or anything. Never even saw anyone really flirt with her, except for a truly pathetic attempt from me once lol. There's a "sweet spot" in the 6-8 /10 range, women there get the most attempts. Tangentally I don't think that holds true for men though -…
/r/MGTOW29/05/17 05:19 AM
1

Yeah, I never blame guys for women cheating - that's bullshit. It's women who have the final say and choice in sex always. But I will not enable a cheating woman by fucking her, although the blame would still lie with her in my mind, I would feel like I helped or enabled her and that's not good. It would be easy to ignore that rule and get more pussy as a result, but as MGTOW or even just men we should always put our views and feelings before getting pussy on the priority list, doing otherwise i…
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 10:49 AM
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Exactly, it's not like survey respondents can just write whatever they like and the researchers have no way of knowing if the truth is being told or not. Surveys and polls are unreliable, as keeps being demonstrated in the last few years.
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 10:38 AM
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That's why they do a lot better in education (which has mostly devolved into just remembering pre-prepared exam answers, hence why grades and educational "achievement" don't correlate that much with pure intelligence) than they do in employment, creative endeavours and just real life in general. They can remember stuff well and soak up things they're told, but they can't think through complex problems or come up with original creative ideas.
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 10:32 AM
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You're right IMO, they actually do often act worse than the fit girls and normal girls, it's strange. The really weird thing is that women's "niceness" actually seems to correlate (weakly but significantly) with their attractiveness. I'd think instinctively that un-hot women might act nicer to compensate, and hot women wouldn't give a shit how they act because people will like them anyway. But in reality most of the nicest girls I've met are 6+ including some really hot ones, while so many fat a…
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 10:24 AM
1

Emotions mean everything to women, a brief good feeling can be more important than any amount of commitment or promises or memories - or good feelings in the past. It's what makes them so pathetic IMHO, it's control over and ability to go against our feelings that make us humans instead of animals.
/r/MGTOW17/05/17 11:08 PM
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The strange thing is, all this CC riding and single life isn't good for women and doesn't make them happy. Women are (intentionally or unwittingly) living like men, but unlike men are not made for that kind of living. Men need freedom and space to flourish, women don't. Women need companionship and "romance", men don't. It's the way we're made to suit what our general roles have almost-always been - men needed to be able to go out alone (or with only men) and hunt, fight, explore etc. Women need…
/r/MGTOW17/05/17 11:02 PM
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Even when they do take significant responsibility, they defer it to things like "mental issues", hormones, stress and emotions. Which is a way of taking responsibility whilst also avoiding it, like they blame it on their unconscious mind to avoid the ego/conscious having to take responsibility. This is of course only if they can't blame it on external things, and are forced to admit it was them. If this does happen, they will still try to portion out blame to other parts of themselves, rather th…
/r/MGTOW17/05/17 10:20 PM
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Interesting info thanks! And that's all despite women being 'worse' drivers than men on most measures (both objective, e.g. higher accident per mile statistics, and subjective, e.g. general observations of who the silly drivers are doing dangerous things). Personally, the drivers I see doing stupid things are mostly women. Texting and generally not being aware of what other cars/pedestrians is what female drivers are exceptionally bad at, as a group.
/r/MGTOW17/05/17 10:08 PM
2

When you write it out like that, it really shows the paranoia in the way women think. It's almost psychotic, they quickly cycle through thoughts and then one gets stuck and they get obsessed with it. But only for so long, then it starts over again with a different thought. It's close to what you'd expect from someone with actual paranoid and/or obsessive type mental illness.
/r/MGTOW17/05/17 04:48 PM
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We all know what that's like, seems like many or most women do this if you live with them. And it fucking sucks, it wears you out and makes you constantly on guard / on edge. It's the number one reason not to live with a woman, to keep that peace and safety of being at home - able to be yourself, do what you want, not have anyone criticising you or trying to order you around. It's very important in todays often-stressful world full of bullshit, to have somewhere to yourself where no one can both…
/r/MGTOW17/05/17 04:43 PM
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Women love violence exactly, hence why their porn is so violent and rapey, why they like violent men etc etc.
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 07:09 PM
2

I totally agree! I just don't love my mother because she's a total bitch who treated me and the rest of my family awfully. Nothing to do with mgtow, which does not preclude love, certainly not for family members. It warns against "romantic love" because it blinds you and is usually not reciprocated, but other types of love are very different. I think it's because we (as a society/language) use the wrong and imprecise words for 'love' - we call them all love even though family love, "romantic lov…
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 12:05 PM
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Imagine if weed and alcohol swapped positions, so that weed was highly socially accepted and legal while alcohol was somewhat socially frowned upon and moderately illegal? The benefit that would have to society is immense. Going out on a Friday or Saturday night, about 1-3am, and the shit you see is crazy - just pissed slags and lads everywhere, shouting, fights, blood and injuries, accidents, vomit, all staggering home to fall asleep just to wake up with a stinking hangover and completely waste…
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 11:41 AM
2

Wow, that's a deep observation. I totally agree, society is burying its head in the sand.
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 11:17 AM
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What pisses me off about alcohol in society is how it's not even considered a drug, when it's a very strong, addictive and harmful both to people who drink excessively and to society in general. There are only a few common illegal drugs that are worse than alcohol, it would be in the highest category of banned/scheduled drugs immediately if it had only just been discovered. Yet, booze companies are allowed to advertise on TV, when cigarette companies aren't (and in most countries prescription dr…
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 10:54 AM
1

I wonder who starts these parroting chains? It's a bit like political Chinese whispers.
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 09:16 AM
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It's the place most young guys go to try and get laid (because pop culture says so I guess), but it really is the worst place. A fucking library might even be better. The girls in clubs are stuck-up cause of all the attention, the atmosphere sucks, the scum of humanity are often there (or right outside) starting fights and bullshit, bouncers can be total dicks, it's expensive, and the girls are low-quality dumb shit - literally turds rolled in glitter. Most aren't hot, and they've all got crappy…
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 02:52 AM
2

Proxy violence is so shitty because the one doing it is screwing over both "sides" of the fight, putting them both at high risk of getting badly hurt, while they themselves have little risk of anything happening to them. It's so cowardly and devious, so far from an honest fight. Everyone is a victim except the manipulator - even the pathetic white knights! The state often carries out proxy violence for women, via false accusations etc. It's so cowardly it really pisses me off.
/r/MGTOW15/05/17 02:42 AM
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Yep you're right! It's not like you get much "contact time" with the professors or even PhD students either! And lots of universities make exta money off the living expenses - they charge too much for on-campus accomodation, have very expensive convenience shops (sometimes the only one you can get to without a long walk into town), expensive food and drink on campus etc. So they end up getting a lot more than 9000 off of us.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 12:11 PM
1

Yeah it's really rather creepy, there have been so many girls madly in wild love for serial killers.
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 10:22 PM
1

Well since degrees/universities don't have much standardisation (they teach different stuff, to different standards, make and grade their own exams - a degree from one university won't have the same content or examining methods as the same degree from a different university) they have always relied on reputation to impart those degrees with value. The usefulness (or not) of a degree depends on the reputations of the degree title and the university it came from more than anything else. So you pay…
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 08:22 PM
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Are women boring? Hmmmm... Little to no hobbies or interests or passions? Check A narrow range and shallow depth of knowledge? Check Unwillingness to discuss anything deep, even if they do know about it? And prefer to talk about mundane shit like TV? Check x2 Little to no ambitions and desires, excluding those that revolve around getting lots of money and shallow status-sigalling decorative itens? Check Good, creative ideas that totally aren't all just copied off other people? Yep Not going to d…
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 04:15 PM
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I had gone a way off topic by then and wasn't really talking about those men in the article, just the kind of low-life thug scum in tracksuits with some fairly-ugly face, slight fatness who often have "better luck" (translation: worse luck lol) with women than fairly good-looking, semi-fit, but nice, guys. Although I can see how those mainstream respectable vanilla guys can be boring. But often there's a lot more too them (yes women, even those dark si
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 03:42 PM
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These weren't just "Chads" by the sound of it, but actual proper thug scum. What amazes me sometimes is how truly scummy, violent thugs can be so attractive even though they're usually butt-ugly, and even despite they're butt-ugly for the ones who are. It's a lot more than Chads, Chad is usually a harmless jock who's not actually remotely violent or a criminal, just a cocky sporty guy who sometimes acts a douche to maintain his "social status" as a leader. At least, that's how the "Chads" I've k…
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 02:58 PM
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A metaphor is more what I meant really, I'm bad at explaining things and cam be confusing. It is based on what they knew at the time. They didn't know about real chemical elements, atomic numbers, molecular bonds etc. But they did know about psychology and behaviour - doesn't take much science to understand those things. In fact, being over-strict with scientific principles leads to lack of knowledge with things like psychology which are very difficult to measure, manipulate independent variable…
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 02:34 PM
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Damn I missed that, yeah it is clever haha.
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 08:05 AM
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That's very true, hence why I put " around it. It's like a machine gun, if you know how to handle one properly it's relatively more "safe" (but still dangerous, it will always be dangerous, and a woman much more so than a machine gun) than if you don't have a clue what you're doing.
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 08:05 AM
4

Unlike the mouse utopia experiments, human society is self-reliant and has no carer to feed us, treat illnesses or fix broken stuff. Even if you believe in God, he isn't going to throw food down at us. Our societies will become non-functional and be replaced before we all die out from low birthrate like the mice did. This is both a good and bad thing - we can't die out completely, but we can have serious problems like food, medical and infrastructure collapses, well before the point the last gen…
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 05:31 AM
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Women's classical element (even though it's all bullshit it's based on reality) is water. Water is fluid and without its own form, it fills and takes the shape of the vessel it's in. Women's personalities, feelings, thoughts and even memories change to fit the situation. Women act so different based on who's around them, where they are, what their current status in that group is, and much much more. They don't have strong personalities that stay there in all situations, and often act like totall…
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 04:00 AM
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Only women a decent way below your league approach, so you do have to be Chad to get a hot woman approach you. Except occasionally there are rare exceptions as always. But most women very very rarely directly approach anyway, even Chad will have to wait a bit in between (I'm not counting flirting, however obvious, as approaching. I mean approaching like a man, actually verbally proposing that you date or go out or meet up or fuck or whatever).
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 03:47 AM
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Not to be picky, but for clarity, there's a typo in the title: "reserving" needs changing to "reversing" in the title.
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 03:41 AM
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Wow he sounds like such a cuck. It's guys like him who screw over men the most and give feminism/SJWism most of its real-world power (and there's plenty of them - rich and/or powerful influential people who nonetheless are total beta cucks). I don't like using those words since they're just hollow insults mostly, but they really are the best description of guys like him.
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 03:38 AM
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I know what you mean, face is more important than it is for women. But you can actually change it more than you'd think. Physical parameters have an effect on your face too. More major differences can happen over time from things like hormone levels, sleep and how you treat your skin. Quick "fake" changes can happen by how you have your hair (e.g. my face looks much better with short hair, and I can kinda slightly change how it looks by how I do my hair, what facial expressions I use and how I t…
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 03:34 AM
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Even though it's the default status for the vast majority of men aged 18-25, and many more men outside that too. The average man is a non-entity his entire life.
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 03:04 AM
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Not true for me at all. It's more the other way round if anything - you're likely to find the first person you orgasm with attractive because you found them attractive enough to fuck in the first place.
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 02:58 AM
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Welcome to (western) Europe!
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 02:35 AM
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MGTOW pretty much is PA, only difference being that many/most of us quit on our own usually before coming here.
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 02:32 AM
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They're too impatient to play the long game
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 02:20 AM
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That's a clever strategy for dealing with women's bullshit. By that rule the most insane killer response to "so you're gay then?" could be along the lines of "I'm bisexual actually, I do honestly like a cock in my mouth occasionally, I'll screw anything really, I'm not fussy." That would destroy them, especially with the contained implication that you have low or very flexible standards but still rejected her. Of course, I wouldn't use that response but it's there if anyone wants to. If they use…
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 02:17 AM
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Everything men enjoy that isn't women, or benefits them, they dislike because they see it as a threat. Anything that could take away our food, we'd be worried about. Attention is woman food, it's the next thing down from (actual) food, water and shelter for them. Their minds - feelings and ego especially - require attention/validation to work properly and be (relatively for a woman) happy. When games started taking a good chunk of the attention and time of "good men" (meaning men women want for …
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 01:26 AM
2

No doubt when she gets told tom jump off a cliff by angry people on the internet she'll do that too then?... Oh, I guess not. She'll only needlessly murder other sentient beings when "told to".
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 11:02 PM
1

Impressions of things are relative, so to them she would seem clever!
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 10:57 PM
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It seems like it's supposed to be a joke, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if some women actually say this.
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 10:53 PM
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Human female operating principles: Say one thing, Think a different thing, Do a third thing, Talk about something else, Remember another thing, Claim you did otherwise, Rationalise that you meant to do a seventh thing. This is how the female's central processor avoids confronting truths about herself that could cause doubt, guilt, or worse - prevent the immoral but self-beneficial things she does. Also, the central processor doesn't want to be hurt by those negative feelings and/or have to perfo…
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 10:51 PM
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Got pissed off, stoped being nice. Turned into "dicks" or pretend to be to get pussy. These two are guys who finally took the few honest women's advice and stopped being nice. They finally got the message, that you sent them, that you hate nice guys. Are still there, just you can't see them. Are in your friend zone. Are some of your exes. You were even married to one, but then a rich guy at the bar showed you his Rolex. These four all boil down to: they don't have a six-pack, make six figures, a…
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 10:37 PM
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Men are expected to literally read minds - while women aren't even expected to behave with decency or empathy. Western Society, 2017
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 09:27 PM
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Yeah I can understand why. It's the very reason why there aren't more male teachers - and virtually no redpill ones (although you'd never know if there were because they would keep very quiet about it). I think that's why I'll probably never go down that road myself. Though it would be a good thing to do for the men I'd teach (to give them an uncucked male teacher), I'm not on this planet to help others at huge cost to myself (putting up with a sickening environment). As it is I'm so tired of th…
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 09:21 PM
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I think he's saying that you can not necessarily that you should. It's right that men can make our attractiveness much higher, but you're totally right that it shouldn't be to get validation from women (or men) but should be for yourself. At the end of the day, anything is good as long as it's not being done just to please women.
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 09:13 PM
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Same! There's an old saying: Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. I don't want to disparage the minority of good teachers who inspire their students, know their stuff, treat their students fairly, and have common sense and reasoning abilities. But the majority of teachers at every level - from the first year of primary school all the way to university professors teaching PhD students - are exactly as you describe. The low-level teachers are absolutely thick. The majority of them take this …
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 08:26 PM
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Like "it's sexual harassment if a women feels she was harassed" They actually define certain things purely by how they feel.
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 10:05 AM
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Full swallowing of the red pill is a necessary pre-requisite for a "safe" relationship. Not that I advocate relationships, but I do think the red pill is neccesary for them - although you can still let your guard down and be caught in a trap even being redpilled.
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 09:44 AM
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There's not even a slap on the wrist for a woman potentially wrecking a family or at least psychologically hurting some innocent man.
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 09:36 AM
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His whole point is that sexual selection doesn't select for increased fitness under certain situations. The situations this happens under are usually when natural selection pressures such as predation become diminished. That's why it's very common in Birds, and the Peacock is a great example. The Peacock's tail doesn't make him fitter or more likely to win a fight, escape a predator, live longer, acquire more food - all quite the opposite actually.
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 09:32 AM
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Great observation, now you mention it it really does remind me of a school brainwashing session. Some "lesson" that the teacher turns into political preachig, used to happen a fair bit when I was by school.
/r/MGTOW12/05/17 09:02 AM
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Absolutely, the gynocentric coalition is between the tradcon right and the SJW left. Similar to how the anti-freedom authoritarian "coalition" is between the 'progressive' left and authoritarian mainstream right.
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 07:46 PM
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I fairly recently asked a homeless guy why he was homeless (don't know why I did that but whatever) and he said he got ruined in a divorce, his wife kept the whole house or something like that. I feel sorry for my blue-pill friends who will probably get married (and therefore almost certainly get divorced) at some point in their lives. At least I'll be there for them, they can come round mine and have a beer and chill if... I mean when... they need to escape from their wives for a bit or get div…
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 03:33 PM
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They unconsciously chuck out shit-tests like a shit-test machine, I don't think they even know they do it, certainly they can't seem to stop doing them. The worst thing about a relationshit is the frequent shit-tests and ensuing trouble if you fail one, it's not like they give you a break even if you "pass" a load of them first.
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 11:20 AM
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Exactly, how are we supposed to know so much about women and have so many bad experiences to have driven us away from them... if we've never even been near one? Their off-the-cuff dismissal makes them feel better but it doesn't make any sense, showing it isn't something they've actually thought about but just a parroted dismissal for emotional reasons. I don't care, but one day they will come across a guy they like who is mgtow-like and turns them down. There are a lot of "mgotw-like" guys aroun…
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 10:57 AM
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When shady elites have agendas, they always use useful idiots. They never do the 'work' themselves, but stir up some group of thickos to fight for their agenda, presented in a way the useful idiots will approve of and care about. Feminists and religious authoritarians are used as useful idiots frequently, and are the ones opposed to prostitution. It's dressed up in different ways to get the feminists to reject it (demeaning women, poor women "forced" into prostitution, won't somebody think of th…
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 10:46 AM
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IMO reddit desktop site is a bit confusing and dated, I only use mobile apps (reddit is fun for android) and they're just easier to use, although a few features are missing and it's harder to type but nothing serious.
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 09:27 PM
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A lot of people (esp those lacking sexual experience and/or still thirsty) have to really experience "the other side" before they can go mgtow even slightly. "The other side" is the world of chasing tail and sex, that they feel like they missed out on, but is a wasteland. They have to see it's a wasteland first before they can walk away from it. There are two main 'uses' for red-pill knowledge: 1) Use it to protect yourself, be independent and happy in life avoiding the traps women lay for men. …
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 07:02 PM
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Link straight to this subreddit, or a good mgtow introduction / "what is mgtow" article from a non-hostile source. Then there's more of a chance whoever you're introducing mgtow to will see that we're an extremely diverse group of people who aren't just jaded old men or forever-alone nerd types or whatever other straw man the libtard media paint us as. They can then see that we have good points and true information before they go and read buzzfeed hit pieces etc. Although, if he gives the slight…
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 06:45 PM
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Around every 6 months here. Getting likes for these new profile pics does give me some narsistic pleasure. But the main reason is that I'm a young man and 6 months can mean a lot. Same, I look really different every 6 months or so, usually for the better so I want to change it for a newer one a few times a year. There's nothing wrong with using social media, it's just when people get narcissistic over it and feed their egos that it's a problem. That's rare for men though, although most girls do …
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 01:22 PM
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Yeah those are both things that can really cripple many people when they go through, let alone at the same time. IMO one of the greatest skills in life is to learn and grow from every rough experience so you always come through stronger, OP seems to have mastered that, so well done! Everything does have a positive side, only seeing it can sometimes be hard.
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 01:17 PM
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Women will cheat, break 'social contracts', break promises, destroy trust, and just wreck society from within by their unimaginable solipsism, stupidity and amorality. They're like bulls in china shops, wrecking the place without even knowing. And they wreck good men's lives and minds in the process, again without a care or even noticing what they're doing. And the real problem is it isn't just a small amount of women - it's a huge proportion of them, and all of them have the capability to be li…
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 01:03 PM
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The worst types of women never have any hobbies or interests of their own, at most they get into things because their friends are into it or there's a fashionable fad about it. Most women don't have any real interests, how they even live being so empty and uninterested I don't know.
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 11:52 AM
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These stories are horrific (but not uncommon) examples of how disgusting women can be. But they're also such great examples of why, when you see a red flag, you must ditch the slag. In all these stories there are always big warning signs there, often a long time before the real serious shit hits the fan. At the latest, these big warnings start appearing when the woman starts thinking seriously about cheating/using/screwing you over. But when we're in a relationship too long we go blind to it, li…
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 11:48 AM
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Same, that's why I keep it - it's the only means I have to get in contact with many of my friends, and it's the main way we organise meeting up and events and stuff. Without messenger and events, facebook would be useless. Scrolling through the "newsfeed" or whatever is depressing, so much bullshit and attention-seeking. All I do is occasionly keep my profile "up to date" with some new pictures every couple of months, apart from that it's just events and messages.
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 10:33 AM
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What's strange is that women have more opportunity now than ever before, it's now easier for them to be "great" than it is, or ever was, for men. Yet there were more great women in history than now. Partly blame celebrity culture as it worships people for doing nothing other than posing for cameras on some "reality" TV show. There are tons of famous women through that pathway, but no great person would ever do that. Women do it for attention so if you can get more attention acting a twat on some…
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 10:26 AM
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Good comment, very true! I don't think there's a single "correct answer" but that several of these are true, for different situations. It reminds me of something TRP used to say - "make her feel something strongly, even something 'bad' is much better than nothing" (paraphrasing but the point is what matters). Another (minor) reason why it works that way is that lots of western women have an "all experience is good experience" type attitude, they just want to explore and experience things in the …
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 09:58 AM
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That's the point - women don't "read" or understand men well usually, same as men don't usually understand women well. They can't tell the difference between fake confidence and real confidence, between real toughness and chest-beating bravado etc etc. Add to that it's mostly subconscious processes we're talking about here. She won't know why she reads a guy a certain way or even why she feels certain ways to various people, and women tend to just go with their feelings without analysing or othe…
/r/MGTOW10/05/17 08:51 AM
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Where there's women, there's constant judgement both from them and any "mainstream" guys who are constantly judging on their behalf too. Here, everyone just wants the best for each other like you said. No competition, preaching or oneupmanship, just discussion. No tone policing, speech codes or offence-taking. Nothing is off-limits except needlessly being a dick, it's fantastic and my favourite forum. It's like the manliest place on the internet - no bullshit or social games, no point-scoring an…
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 04:25 PM
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It's quite ingrained in most women to be casually/minorly sexist against men it seems. I think a lot of feminist "theories" about patriarchies and "old boy's clubs" are projection. There is an "old girl's club" in the sense that women usually give each other the benefit of in-group bias (often without even realising) and help each other out. Mothers undoubtedly treat daughters nicer/kinder than sons. Female teachers mark girls higher in education. And, because it's ingrained in society too, not …
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 04:13 PM
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Given how little my mother cares about me and how many women now seem to view their kids (especially boys) as accessories or social pawns, I agree. I'm sure many/most women do care enough about their sons to sacrifice their divorce-raping powers for their sons' safety, but were too naive/blind/ignorant to realise that the "screw men, the future is female" type stuff they supported was going to turn round and hurt their sons a lot in the future (now the present). Women are not good at understandi…
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 02:51 PM
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My mate at school prom decided to skip it in favour of chilling down the road with a joint. We (dumb cringey 16 year olds) thought that was weird and he was missing out on something great or important. He wasn't missing out on anything lol.
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 02:07 PM
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Absolutely true. One reason is that so very few men meet their standard for them to actually ask the guy out (a much higher one even than their standard to be asked out). So unless the girl is low-tier and knows it, she isn't going to meet anyone she'd ask out herself who's the slightest bit available to her. And they only get so enamoured with a guy every once in a while, so them asking guys out is rare. Finally, since they often fail (because they mostly ask guys who aren't interested - in the…
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 01:36 PM
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Compare them to cucked chumps at the shopping centre/mall, at work earning money their woman will take and spend most of while they could live like a prince on their own with that money to themselves, being cheated on or worse - being in an "open relationship" of some kind (literally being cucked). They're a thousand times better off and less sad than cucked men, yet they actually envy the cucked men just for getting laid occasionally. Why forever alone type people are so fucking sad is because …
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 01:09 PM
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They often call it feminism instead of admitting what it really is - they're jealous as fuck. (Going off on a slight tangent here, but want to make my point about how women really are envious of men) And it's not just because feminism and the apex fallacy tell them that men have everything great, though many idiots believe that. I think they're actually jealous of men because we have many abilities and qualities they really like the idea of and wish they had, but they simply cannot have because …
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 12:55 PM
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Married women just hate their slaves hanging around happy single men, she probably thought you some kind of threat - showing her husband he can have a better life by example. The mere existence of happy and/or successful single men is a threat to all those women who like to keep their hubby's balls in their purse. If a single man isn't spending his every waking hour trying not to be single, rather than just enjoying his life, then something is seriously wrong in their view. So it's a badge of ho…
/r/MGTOW09/05/17 11:41 AM
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Sorry if I was confusing about that. Polygamy ain't sex outside marriage, it's sex outside of marriage when you are married or having multiple partners. I meant there's nothing wrong with people who aren't married or committed to anyone having sex, but it was something that was also discouraged for societal reasons. I'm not supporting cheating, it's my pet hate, I just mean unmarried sex. I've seen the damage cheating does, and it goes firmly in my first category of "natural morals" - it is self…
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 05:24 PM
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Arab culture is tradcuck as fuck though. And the whole "alpha/beta" gap/divide thing is not a sign of a culture that values men, it's the opposite - that gap comes from women and is for the "benefit" of women. Things like "up to 4 wives" are things women benefit from (being able to share the rich guys and chads, which they'd rather do than have an average guy to themselves). It's also the older female family members who work out arranged marriages and have a lot of the power. Women in those coun…
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 04:35 PM
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Exactly! Great comment
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 04:02 PM
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I'm very unsure about this. I'm sure society is in a bad mess, that is clear as day. But what can be done about it? Should anything be done about it? Should people like us ride the wave and make the best of it, or should we do something (if we even can do anything, which I doubt)? I think we have one obligation, to be consistent with our moral ideas and not be hypocrits, everyone has that obligation IMO. So I don't do things I moan about other people doing. But apart from that, I'm worried that …
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 10:20 AM
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That's the obvious "secret" about hypothyroidism (when it's for real) - your metabolism is slowed so you use a lot less calories, so you have to eat a lot less. Simple. And thyroid medication, while not perfect, directly replaces the missing thyroid hormones. Women (and a few men) who use this excuse, take your meds and eat less. Still feeling crap? Increase dose of thyroid hormone, change meds etc. Don't just give up your life like that ffs. I knew a woman with hypothyroidism who couldn't be bo…
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 04:21 AM
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Androphobia is actually very real and widespread throughout every section of society (except 'normal' working-class dudes). The posher or more female the group the more androphobic they are, academic and media types are awful.
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 04:02 AM
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That's the way relationships are supposed to be, but so very very few are. Maybe in the past there were more, who knows. But now they're mostly parasitic not symbiotic, even the state steps in and forces a large-scale parasitic wealth transfer even from single men to single women. And any suggestion that women should keep their side of this bargain (e.g. look after their man, be loyal and kind to him, keep things sexually fulfilling etc) is apparently super-sexist and making unrealistic demands …
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 03:39 AM
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It couldn't possibly be that women are just as, or more, sexually depraved than men. And that our society painting them as spotless is completely false? No way, those things are just for filthy men, women barely even have sexual urges. It's not like the majority of them have rape fantasies... Oh... wait, it is all of that. And there's nothing wrong with it, but the reactions of tradcon betas/cucks to the idea that women like sex - fucking rough sex at that - are hilarious denial. Because they do…
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 03:12 AM
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You'll heal and feel better than ever when you do - things only make you stronger in the long run. And you might not even see the healing coming until it's happening (I didn't, then pretty suddenly I realised I'd been depressed for a long time but wasn't anymore). Take care of yourself above all else! As a side note I don't say that about validation-seeking because it's weak, that's just what women feel so DGAF about that. But it is dangerous and really works against you. It will make you weak e…
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 11:14 PM
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Your last paragraph is so true - every bad thing presents an opportunity for a good thing, but that opportunity needs to be taken for that to happen. How many men are put through bad, even horrible, experiences directly because of female nature and/or women's social behaviour in the current climate? I'd wager all men have had bad experiences, most have had pretty nasty ones and a very sizeable minority have had nothing less than the work of pure evil. But how many learn? Learn anything at all fo…
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 10:57 PM
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Societal conditioning is strong, it's no wonder it takes so much to break. I woke up only through an unbelievably bad mother (like you said), and it still took a shitty LTR to confirm the red pill and cement it for me. Sometimes these bad experiences in life can really help us understand things better and give us the huge psychological 'energy' required to mentally adapt. That adaptation is taking the red pill itself IMO, changing the way you see things so much.
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 11:54 AM
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There is no winning in dating IMO, just many different ways to lose - some of which seem like winning without the benefit of hindsight. It doesn't matter what category women put you in, they're only interested in using you and taking from you. They treat guys like shit, just sometimes from behind a smile until they either get what they want or give up trying. All ways to avoid losing involve dropping out, whether sooner (e.g. avoid dating) or later (e.g. avoid LTRs / dump girls before they can u…
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 11:44 AM
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Browsing TRP to learn "game", sickened me. These guys don't see that they're still pussy worshiping- and will do ANYTHING to get tail. It's sickingly blue pill. Very much so, if applied the PUA way - creating a fanatical religion out of chasing tail. Not that there isn't useful information there, or used to be at least (probably only in the sidebar now). It's just what you do with that information and why you want to know it, and most of all separating the genuine red-pill truths about relations…
/r/MGTOW07/05/17 11:33 AM
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You did the right thing completely! IMO there should be a golden rule about oneitis for all men... If you have oneitis for a girl / feel too strongly about her, then stay the fuck away from her. To me it sounds counter-intuitive, even bonkers, but then so many things with women are the opposite of what logic would dictate - and this is just another one of those things. Oneitis isn't in the girl, it's in your head. Your brain, for whatever reason, is applying an archetype to her, which means your…
/r/MGTOW28/04/17 12:43 AM
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Absolutely! For me it was more confirming and clarifying what I already thought, not anything new. I think most of us are the same in that regard.
/r/MGTOW27/04/17 04:34 PM
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The latest generation of men (teenagers - 25) are pretty damn red pill and aware IME. They're learning from the mistakes of their parents' generation. According to some recent research I saw they're also have the most anti-feminist views since the WW2 generation.
/r/MGTOW27/04/17 10:13 AM
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Feminists will go apeshit when such a thing happens, and it'll be glorious. Most women won't understand the implications of it, and so will be fine with it. Then some of those women will try to trap some dude and it'll be a far too late. It will essentially end the cruel modern slavery of baby-trapping at once - for all the men smart enough to get it. I know I rant and rave about this a lot, but of all the technologies on the horizon, I genuinely believe it will be the most positive and transfor…
/r/MGTOW27/04/17 09:55 AM
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Instead of seeing through walls like superman, mgtow-man can see through women's bullshit
/r/MGTOW18/04/17 10:23 PM
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But we take away some, which increases competition between women and the value of men. And women hate that because they hate having to work harder, they love how easy it is to find decent marriage-material men, and how they don't have to work for it, at present.
/r/MGTOW18/04/17 07:54 AM
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Because what we're doing (even the lightest mgtow who just don't marry, cohabitate or have kids) is actually the most dangerous thing we can do to them. We're taking away their main source of income, status and most importantly attention, as they get those things primarily through men giving to them - but we say "no bitch, I'm not giving you anything". And, to make things worse, we're having a much better time without them. Women are always scared of "bad influences" leading their well-trained c…
/r/MGTOW18/04/17 07:50 AM
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Their value is hyped up and inflated, purely in the minds of frustrated horny men. We see them for what they are - cheap - and so they don't rule us!
/r/MGTOW18/04/17 01:48 AM
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That shouldn't matter when the job doesn't involve contact with customers/clients/patients, only for "impressing" the hiring managers.
/r/MGTOW18/04/17 01:40 AM
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Always being the almost-good-enough guy, or the 2nd choice who will only get interest if the 1st choice isn't available. It means getting cockteased a lot.
/r/MGTOW18/04/17 01:27 AM
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Can happen anytime, even after decades. That's the biggest problem imo.
/r/MGTOW18/04/17 01:02 AM
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They always say these put-down phrases before they show the interview/speech/whatever of the people they don't like. It primes the audience to reject what they hear before they've even heard it. Like most manipulative tricks, they don't work on people who know the trick is being used.
/r/MGTOW18/04/17 12:10 AM
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The history of women for the last half-century explained in one paragraph!
/r/MGTOW18/04/17 12:02 AM
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Exactly!
/r/MGTOW17/04/17 11:57 PM
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Yeah, "gender politics" (for want of a better term) has no relationship to real politics and is best kept separate. Mgtow is a lifestyle, philosophy and set of "gender-political" views, nothing to do with the left-right system of politics.
/r/MGTOW17/04/17 11:54 PM
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I completely agree! Two sides of the same coin in many regards. Notice how some of the worst women readily switch between "liberated" feminist and prudish religious trad-con depending what suits the long-term situation they're in. Notice how the political arms of these groups of ideologies push for the same stuff - like anti-porn, anti-prostitution, special treatment of women (feminists: affirmative action, trads: chivalry, both: "respect women"), men to "man up" and take responsibility for othe…
/r/MGTOW17/04/17 11:48 PM
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Couldn't agree more! With mgtow, your 30s, 40s and even beyond can be the best time in your life - it's up to us, since we have taken back the power to decide our own lives!
/r/MGTOW17/04/17 12:38 AM
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A "real man" is a human with Y-chromosomes and a penis, anything else is just manipulation. Despite being the oldest, crudest and most overused manipulation tactic in all of human history, millions of men still fall for it every single day!
/r/MGTOW16/04/17 03:55 AM
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Most men don't seem to achieve true lasting happiness or enjoy their lives much in their 30s and 40s. I think this age range can be the best time of one's life, i strongly disagree with the mainstream view that you have all your fun when your young. What do most men do wrong? IMO they're too deevoted to women and not themselves. Deep true happiness is very rare without freedom and self-determination, and impossible with a bitch henpecking you and throwing childish tantrums (which modern women do…
/r/MGTOW16/04/17 03:33 AM
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Isn't that a hard thing to accept. My mother is a complete psycho cow. But I was forced to admit that before I even found out about mgtow, red pill etc and the stuff they teach about. Then that RP stuff fitted right in helped me make sense of everything. It's hard an unpleasant, but even our own mothers and grandmothers are still just women. Some women are much better than others but they all have the core traits of a woman - which do include some level of self-centeredness, and at least some de…
/r/MGTOW16/04/17 03:17 AM
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Look for patterns in their actions, and read "aloud" their actions in your head - as if they're speaking with their actions. This gives a very truthful "voice" to them and it's hard to lie using actions. Then compare this to their real voice and laugh at the mental gymnastics they're getting up to. Also, despite acting strangely and seemingly unpredictably, IMO most women are highly predictable when you know those patterns.
/r/MGTOW16/04/17 03:01 AM
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Yeah definitely insecurity a lot of the time, like how when certain dumb-but-think-they're-clever people correct more intelligent people on frivolous things like their grammar - it makes them feel less inferior by bringing the smarter person down (in their perception anyway). Or insecure people who constantly mock and insult the people they feel inferior to, for the same reason of closing that gap. Even though that gap usually only exists in the neurotic mind of the first person, it's very real …
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 11:07 PM
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This is one of the main reasons I think. Being a woman is still an advantage in female-dominated fields, but being a man in a male-dominated field is often a disadvantage - sometimes severely - due to affirmative action type bullcrap.
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 07:37 PM
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This happening for real is probably very rare, but certainly believable. There is no greater evil than solipsism, not even the deepest hatred is as bad as a total absence of care. And far too many women have this total carelessness towards other people (especially males). I've personally known a couple of women almost or as bad as the one in this story, they aren't that rare. They will drive their man to suicide and sleep just fine the next night, with his already-prepared replacement in his bed…
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 07:22 PM
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They usually try to wreck a guy's confidence during the latter stages of the relationship or the run-up to a break-up (which can last years) too. But definitely, even if they were nice right up till they leave, they'll still be bitchy afterwards - even when it was her that broke up with him.
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 07:10 PM
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Absolutely! Can't upvote this enough either. One of the most important "red pill truths" I learnt was what you just said, and female behaviour and opinions make so much more sense when bearing this in mind. They 180 flip-flop more than a mainstream politician, except instead of being based on their perception/estimation of the public's mood, it's based purely on their own mood.
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 06:55 PM
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Fuck the noise and chuck the noise
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 06:52 PM
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My mother used to do it to all of us, there was always something she'd moan about or try to change. The most ridiculous and funny example being "opening a breakfast cereal packet wrong" - I was unaware there was a "right" way to open a cereal packet. Which resulted in a half-hour bitchfest at my brother followed by a long sulk, just like a kid who doesn't get their own way. My last girlfriend used to bitch at the way I talk fairly often, and my Dad's last girlfriend used to pick fault with his g…
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 06:49 PM
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They do self-improvement with the improvement defined by what women generally like. When we self-improve, we define improvememt ourselves - it's as simple as that really. The first case is pathetic and the second one is independent and a leader thing to do rather than being a follower.
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 06:33 AM
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I love the themed days and/or threads idea! Could be a sticky each day, or a few stickies permanently up each week or whatever. I actually think we used to do this a long time ago, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering right or getting mixed up with another sub. But it's a good idea that I've seen used with success on some other forums.
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 06:17 AM
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There are a lot of unfunded state pensions in the UK where the gov has spent the money already that was paid into the pension. So when the owners of those dodgy pemsions retire in 10-20 years it could tip Britain over the edge. Don't know if there's a similar situation in the US and other countries, but it would not surprise me.
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 04:40 AM
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Wow can't upvote this enough! That's absolutely correct in my experience too, they go over every single mannerism you have, for example, and often obsess over certain tiny things in a positive or negative way. Like you, say, hold a cup a certain way - she'll be sure to analyse it and either somehow like the way you hold it and complement you on it, or more likely bitch that you're somehow holding the cup "wrong".
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 04:06 AM
11

It's like the last dick has a ditch on the other side filled with cats and misery. After hopping on one dick too many they go straight into ditch and it's a right mess but a funny one.
/r/MGTOW15/04/17 03:45 AM
5

Kids can't afford to drive these days, in Britain at least. It's a piss-take how much it costs for insurance etc (which is mandatory - probably the reason it's so expensive, yet another government-enforced licence to print money).
/r/MGTOW14/04/17 04:43 AM
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Exactly, it's so blatant that she's looking for a guy she can abuse who won't fight back. That's literally what she asked him for! And yeah, tons of guys will take abuse from women all day long because they've had it so drummed into them not to do anything back. Imagine if the genders were flipped!
/r/MGTOW14/04/17 04:29 AM
2

Dude, the Conservative party is extremely "Christian fundamentalist" so I'm not sure what you're getting at here.. Christian fundamentalists - well, the type your describing (very common in America, hypocritical "moral" standards and absurd views on sex, drugs, porn etc) are generally unknowledgable about Christianity and just use it as a tool to brow-beat their "morality" into others and proclaim their moral superiority. They know less about the bible and Christian spiritual practices than many…
/r/MGTOW14/04/17 04:11 AM
2

Western society has been given death by a thousand papercuts, as little appeasements are granted here there and everywhere. Now we realise we're too broke to afford them, and our culture is so watered down and accepting-of-everything that it might as well not be a culture. Also, politicians have been taking away our rights in a similar way, tiny bit by tiny bit until - boom - you don't even have the right to defend yourself in your own home and privacy for your phone calls (in the UK, just examp…
/r/MGTOW14/04/17 03:40 AM
2

I think you've described the female mid-life-crisis perfectly. Seen this exact stuff happen so many times. It's not when they hit the wall, it's when they finally realise they have - which is usually waaaay past when they hit it. They try to fight it, but it is no use fighting time itself. Their attempts to fight it and pretend to be young just make them look silly whilst wrecking their own lives (and usually others around them). Totally without a care because, to her, the most important thing i…
/r/MGTOW14/04/17 03:23 AM
2

I don't think the west will stay together like it largely is now if/when it falls. Falling empires break up into very different parts. And the west is a societal/cultural thing that transcends nations. Some nations may go one way, others other ways, and some may split up (especially bigger ones like the USA). Some might merge too. So I think there's a good chance some bits will come out better. It would be likely that some of the southern US becomes Hispanic for example, and almost certain that …
/r/MGTOW14/04/17 12:34 AM
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If this is the fall of Rome again then we will have a chance to forge an adapted or 'fixed' western culture somewhere, sometime. Just as the barbarian cultures became modified Roman cultures, the same will happen as modified western cultures evolve. I believe that our societies are irreparably damaged, and the only question is when they will "collapse" - or rather rapidly evolve into something based upon it but very different, as did Rome with the barbarians. We, and by this I mean all the weste…
/r/MGTOW13/04/17 09:07 PM
1

They do manually alter things but only if it gets enough MSM attention to warrant it (e.g. the 'english people are twats' or something like that autofill), or presumably if it fits their ideology. But of course this is neither. The people at Google always seem like the most stereotypical hipster rich kids you could possibly imagine, so they probably don't even know about this IMO.
/r/MGTOW13/04/17 08:38 PM
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The guys that become mgtow are usually moderately experienced with women. How else would we know they're such a pain when the media never acknowledges that? Most of us have seen some serious shit from women and that's why we go mgtow. The point of mgtow is not "we're sat here bitching about women because we can't get laid" (that's more like incel or beginner red-pill or PUA) it's "we do not want traditional relationships with women because we know the whole system is stacked against us and we ca…
/r/MGTOW10/04/17 07:29 PM
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The best place to chase girls is definitely real life, and not clubs or bars but just general everyday life IMO. Even though we view it as a waste of time plenty of men will still chase tail, these guys should delete their online dating profiles. In real life there's much more effort and pain but you can still get an in-your-league or even out-of-your-league (in a good way) girl. Typically the ones who don't do online dating or hang round bars a lot are the least-shit ones too.
/r/MGTOW10/04/17 10:52 AM
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Men blame themselves a lot by default IME. And, not realising that the sexual 'marketplace' is screwed up, start to think their "place" is (sometimes far) below what it actually would have been. Many men's confidence are wrecked. The truth is, if they want a relationship without waiting a long time or getting rejected a lot (which most guys with their shot confidence really do not need), they will have to date down at the end of the day. I used to think that exact same way before I really learnt…
/r/MGTOW10/04/17 10:47 AM
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There are three categories that single guys can fit into when it comes to desperation - 1) sex-starved to various degrees and holding at least some social shame about it. This is the majority IME, for younger single guys anyway. 2) getting plenty of casual sex by their and society's standard. This is a small minority of ~10%. 3) DGAF men who are not bothered what society seems to think and they themselves think sex and relationships are wildly overrated. These men do not actively seek relationsh…
/r/MGTOW10/04/17 10:36 AM
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Absolutely. Usually carrying around shopping or being dragged round clothes/shoes shops endlessly. At least people have some fun at the zoo and generally enjoy it (although there are sad cuck-like fathers there, they are everywhere). Women's shops is where the most shocking couples can be seen.
/r/MGTOW10/04/17 10:06 AM
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Oh wow your story there sounds like pure 21st century hell. I couldn't handle that situation at all, would go completely insane. You did the right thing for yourself. I would also advise against revenge, but I'm not sure about fully forgiving either. I think just forget and move on is the best, leave it behind you and let go of every last bit of it.
/r/MGTOW10/04/17 06:58 AM
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Exactly, this is not legit advice. Google is just a simple computer program and was not likely done deliberately. But others are very right in pointing out that something awfully similar to this actually is how a growing amount of mothers raise their sons. We can see a lot of guilt, female supremacist views and very low self-confidence amongst boys and men under 30 in particular IME. Which could be partly from this dysfunctional upbringing from their mothers, something that makes sense to me but…
/r/MGTOW10/04/17 05:06 AM
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Yes I've never thought or heard of case hardening before but it makes perfect sense, it seems like one of those things that people just don't generally know about or discuss. A lot more typically-male defences are going to be heard by a judge or other legal worker than typically-female defences like that one. And women do have a strong in-group bias that men don't. Female magistrates and judges will often be more sympathetic/lenient/favourable towards other women - perhaps without their consciou…
/r/MensRights20/02/17 09:56 AM
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Yeah, this is definitely true. When you see a couple or group convicted in the news that contains a female, they are nearly always given the lightest treatment even if they were one of the main people involved. She could be the main planner who instructed the others and still not get the highest sentence or be regarded as the main perpetrator.
/r/MensRights18/02/17 11:22 PM
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Thanks for the info! I knew it wasn't universally applicable since there were women's prisons, and debtor's prisons had lots of female inmates at that time too. But it's quite astonishing still, even though it only applied in specific circumstances. The "coercion of the husband" thing you mention is still about today in a lesser form and (a small) part of the reason women get lesser sentences on average. The defence claim some male (usually husband/boyfriend/lover) encouraged or even forced her …
/r/MensRights18/02/17 11:15 PM
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When you encourage a group of people to do something, more of them do it. Same with discouragement. Our society has for the last few decades encouraged family/relationship breakdown with financial and social 'rewards'. It has also stopped discouraging it with social penalties. The family is the only way a society maintains itself through renewal - obviously. It's also a major way of passing down memes (that make up a society like genes make an organism), providing a support structure for anyone …
/r/MensRights18/02/17 04:16 AM
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Men used to (in the good old days of patriarchy when we supposedly had it good) be held responsible even for their wife's crimes. In some western countries at least.
/r/MensRights18/02/17 03:33 AM
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Even on an individual level the man nearly always gets blamed - by the woman, her friends, "society" (hate using that word but it makes sense here - a catch-all for prevailing opinions in society), and often himself too. It's no surprise this carries to the macro scale too, it's the same fundamental phenomenon at all scales. That phenomenon is simply a lack of agency ascribed to women and hyperagency for men. Women are often not seen as responsible for what they do, while men are seen as respons…
/r/MensRights18/02/17 03:29 AM
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For some women (especially the metro trendy/sheep kind, which she likely is judging by the picture) morality can become a tool to get more attention/social capital. Which is * taking it a step further. Virtue signalling, lecturing other people, trying to appear 'enlightened', and lazy (a passionate in appearance) slacktivism online and at marches/rallies. What makes it so easy to spot is that the issues she cares about are the trendy pet issues of the media and urban middle class. And the positi…
/r/MGTOW01/02/17 04:35 AM
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Yeah I wish we used better words to describe them than things like (for example) liberal and globalist. SJWs are a newer type of Marxist. There aren't many actual (economic) Marxists left anymore. The far left in the west is now mostly SJWs/Cultural Marxists and some extreme Greens. Who are economically heavily socialist but not Marxist/communist by any means. Like how the right has changed a lot recently, so has the left. And just like how they love pigeonholing everyone into oversimplified cat…
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 04:27 PM
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Many women have nothing better to do than complain about stuff and create drama in general. These women don't have hobbies, don't work full time, don't do much housework/DIY/gardening/etc. That's why this type of women are boring as fuck. I can almost sense the type from the way she writes, I know the type too well.
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 11:54 AM
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Yep that's it, one of the most un-PC words in existence. Isn't it spelt with a y though? Like dystrophy? Not that it matters, the meaning is what matters and it's absolutely there for all to see IRL. I wondered about it when I was still a kid, before I'd heard any of this stuff. Just because the less intelligent breed so much more (looks like a few times the amount) than the more. In "old times" (not actually that long ago) this would not have been the case. Families were still common, kids were…
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 11:46 AM
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Yeah definitely. And that's where feminism and modern mainstream ideology feed into this as well. Lots of things in life are self-fulfilling prophecies like that IMO. Even society itself is stuck in several viscous circles right now IMO.
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 04:27 AM
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One of the biggest differences between men and women (the typical man and typical woman) is right there IMO. The typical woman isn't accountable to herself, only external judges. This is both nature 2nd nurture IMO. Their nature is to be able to lie to themselves well, and having very 'flexible memories' that can be twisted after the fact. Nurture gives them thousands of socially-accepted ready-made excuses they can just learn and keep telling them to themselves and others. Also, it puts very li…
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 04:02 AM
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There's a wall for men, it's just much later on average than women's wall. Also less damaging and much more gradual. For many women it's just a few years between fairly hot and boner-killing.
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 03:35 AM
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Absolutely, women's power (positive leverage/bargaining chips/rewards to trade out) comes almost entirely from men's obsession and over-valuation of what women think about them. It isn't even about sex for most men IMO, it's validation they want. We can, and here we do, just remove that very easily by caring much less. So we can't gain power but we can remove much of women's power over us and level things out that way.
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 03:29 AM
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Marxism more accurately. Liberalism is something that's 180 flipped sometime in the last few decades and barely means anything anymore as a result. Thus forcing actual liberals to adopt different names like libertarian to describe what they are, because the liberal name was largely taken over by mid-authoritarian leftists (aka Progressives). Liberal applied to libertarians/anti-authoritarians on both the left and the right (mainly the right). Marxism is exactly what you describe, forcing people …
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 03:22 AM
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Haha great comment! What slightly ruins the humour for me is that this is actually how debates around "sexism" always go - whether talking to some idiots in everyday life or even watching a so-called debate in the mainstream media. Even professors at the very top universities in the world, where the students supposedly (because it's more about money, status and nepotism in reality, and because there isn't a great correlation between education and intelligence) have to be the pinnacle of human in…
/r/MGTOW18/01/17 01:50 AM
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That's the thing about that Trump thing IMO. Not that he's a ripped chad, he's a rich powerful charismatic man which beats a ripped chad for many women. But anyway, the point is that what he said was true. That is to say, it is an accurate description of reality much more often than it's false. Women, excepting the most manner-conscious and the sexually uninterested, will let you do anything if you're hot enough to them. What he said was completely accurate for a very large amount of women, espe…
/r/MGTOW17/01/17 12:49 PM
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The core motivation behind mgtow - you just can't win anymore with women and the current state of affairs in "gender relations". They've invented and promoted largely socially-acceptable excuses for all their bad behaviour, whilst retaining the old standards for men - nay, adding a huge pile of new ones on too. There's little societal control over women's behaviour but lots (and increasing fast) over men's. Even though these memes they've put out are contradictory (like your scenario, you're eit…
/r/MGTOW17/01/17 08:19 AM
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Thanks that it interesting! And I completely agree about history going in cycles, we can see that all throughout known/recorded history. I think it moves like a spiral, it has cycles but still moves in an overall direction where each cycle is different from the last. There also seems to be (to me, this is purely conjecture) a fractal-like nature to it where there are infinite cycles-within-cycles. As the physical dimensions have similar somewhat fractal-like structure, such as the similarity of …
/r/MGTOW14/01/17 08:23 AM
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I think there's still a slim chance of survival, but it's slim. We're way past the point of reasonable return. Out of interest, what does Hinduism say about this?
/r/MGTOW12/01/17 12:54 PM
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Yeah I agree. And either the US or EU (meaning the continent, the actual organisation doesn't have long left to exist) could fail first. I'm not sure which one will get there first, but either will trigger the other. And then it will spread globally as you said. Most of the world relies on the US and Europe buying their stuff (especially natural rescorces) and would quickly go tits-up if we couldn't afford to buy their stuff anymore. I'm very glad Hilliary didn't win mainly as she was hell-bent …
/r/MGTOW12/01/17 12:52 PM
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I never said there was any link between homosexuality and pedophilia, in fact I expressly said there wasn't. There are "gay pedophiles" and "straight pedophiles" and moreso, most don't care enough about gender to be called either - they will do both. Of course rape is not a sexual orientation, it's a verb / an act. Again, I never said it was. I said it's (sexual abuse as a whole) more common in the gay and lesbian community, which is widely accepted and there are special help programs/services a…
/r/MGTOW12/01/17 12:37 PM
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Climate change is going to kill us? We survived the bloody ice age and a supervolcanic winter when we were still living in caves. Unless I've completely missed your point or sarcasm? I don't think anything is going to "kill us all", even in my proposed gloomy future not many people would die. I think the only thing capable of coming close to wiping out humans is a large asteroid or a full-on global nuclear war. As for killing lots of people though, there are many things. Overpopulation puts out …
/r/MGTOW11/01/17 06:36 AM
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Incidentally there is a lot of rape and sexual assault and harassment in that community by my observation (not very accurate I know, but limited stats available seem to support it). But I definitely don't hate them or believe that it somehow leads to pedophilia - that is an entirely separate "sexual orientation" (actually a severe mental disorder). My moral stance is simply that people should be free to do what they want - without harming other people, significantly risking harming other people,…
/r/MGTOW11/01/17 05:18 AM
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"Destruction breeds creation" and "nature abhors a vacuum" - there will be rebirth... The question is, what will be born? IMO that's the most important, and also least predictable, part of this. I have no fucking clue what will fill the void.
/r/MGTOW11/01/17 04:26 AM
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I think (well, I was arguing earlier IRL) that our society is possibly already way past the point of no return - good as dead already. I'm not an apocalypse predictor idiot, this is just a possibility. But I think it's not-unlikely and Time depends on scale, everything is slower at larger scale. Let's say someone has just taken a poison like a cyanide capsule and washed it down. That's what's happened to our society (and many others across the world, especially the west, to varying degrees). But…
/r/MGTOW11/01/17 04:23 AM
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Perhaps I'm being too optimistic. But intelligence and camaraderie/cohesion will be vastly on the British side. If/when things get bad enough that powerful people join in, then money/resources and weaponry would be vastly on our side too. And at that point, moral would be very high also. The "home ground" fighting would be both the biggest advantage and disadvantage. Brutality/aggression would become far more even as westerners get extremely pissed off at their countries being quickly and overtl…
/r/MGTOW05/01/17 05:24 PM
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The problem with people making arguments like that guy's is that women are hardly saints. Overall moral comparison between the sexes is silly as we are all good and bad in different ways. Men are more physically violent, women are more mentally violent and manipulative (often getting men to do their physical violence for them too, which complicates it even more). It's jsut not possible to make a fair comparison. You can say "men kill more" and "women lie more" - you can even claim "women kill mo…
/r/MensRights05/01/17 04:26 AM
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Yes that's very much the case in Britain. There is nothing I can do except help spread a little truth and wait. We are not going to be wiped out or removed entirely, it just isn't bad enough yet for people do to much about it (which will incur great risk to the individual - look at Tommy Robinson, all he's done is speak out). I know that, when the time comes, we will save ourselves as a people. But first, we (the vast majority of us) need a harsh lesson. We are fucked on the inside, and our soci…
/r/MGTOW05/01/17 03:35 AM
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It is impossible to keep up forever anyway. Not to mention it's tiring and stressful - constantly having to "manage/handle" a modern woman is a recipe for stress and misery in the long term. And feminism has indeed helped make women demanding, entitled, domineering, sexist (ironically), and solipsistic. I'd hate an LTR in this climate, and every long-running couple I know involves lots of bitchiness.
/r/MGTOW05/01/17 02:39 AM
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The shocking thing about that is how they still throw a tantrum regardless of their age. I think that most women don't properly grow up, perhaps because they aren't made to grow up. In fact they're protected from having to grow up. So, emotionally and interpersonally, many women stay as teenagers. A fair amount don't even make that stage and stay like younger children in those areas.
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 11:36 AM
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Thanks!
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 11:07 AM
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That's very true. Most guys I know take the view that all/nearly all womenn are nuts, by that there are nice sane ones about too - unicorns or diamonds in the rough. They then get hurt by these women when it invariably turns out they weren't unicorns. I agree that it's now a case of either avoid them, properly handle them, or get messed around by them.
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 11:06 AM
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That's the most common reason IME. Nothing is stronger than the love a loving father has for his kids. Sadly it keeps men suffering with nasty women. Same thing with my dad but luckily my mum fucked off after a couple of years of dishing out her bullshit.
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 06:14 AM
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Lol I miss internet aristocrat
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 06:00 AM
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All have a strong potential to become like that, even if they aren't currently. Women are quite fluid and change (even their fundamental character) quite a bit over time. Yet another reason they're no good to be tied to - you have to be able to leave, or for her to leave, without serious consequences. And yeah, I've actually never known a married couple where the wife didn't have a serious AWALT moment or phase at some point. I don't know any married couples where the wife isn't domineering and …
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 05:53 AM
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So stupid. I bet a man would lose his kid right away for doing something like that (even though the kid wasn't harmed it shows a total lack of responsibility and extreme carelessness - not good traits for a single parent). Certainly, if the mother was willing to take them, then they'd be given to her in a flash.
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 05:44 AM
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Yeah, and even if they are mad about you, most women won't show it one bit. It keeps the social upper hand with them that way, and means that if you don't want them then they can act like they didn't want you anyway (saving face). And I think that, weirdly, they think it makes them more attractive when they act lofty/snooty and above you. They think it will make you think that they're still "above you". And they're often attracted to that same big-ego lofty demeanour in men. So, because of proje…
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 05:32 AM
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Genocide and war are like forms of self-inflicted artificial selection IMO. As is sexual selection to an extent, as it is based a lot on money and social status which are not made individually but are given to someone based on group opinion of them. It's selectively breeding ourselves, like we did to dogs. Over a long enough time we will likely domesticate our own species, given the virtual absence of natural selection. We might turn into something more suited (mainly mental rather than physical…
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 05:17 AM
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I disagree about Britain. UK and North American actors are pretty much the same people, many famous American actors are actually British and visa versa. For the rest of Europe though, I agree, although I don't know much about them. There have always been some jacked dudes as actors etc of course. What's "new" is the homogeneity of them IME. They're nearly all ripped now, the exact same big/heavy but with very low body fat look.
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 04:54 AM
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I couldn't care less about their fatness, people can do whatever they like to themselves. It's the absurd entitlement level that pisses me off. It's not just to make themselves feel better, but also to try and censor sexy women, shame men for having standards, spread harmful lies about "health at any size" as well as delusional bollocks about "beauty at all sizes", fuck the 'sexual marketplace' up even more (Obviously I don't care much personally, but I still care slightly about how it affects m…
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 04:37 AM
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Exactly, which makes it really hard to achieve both simultaneously. Guys tend to be either slim, muscular or fat, while the ideal is for both slim and muscular. For example, I've got low body fat but I've also got small muscles so I don't look ripped. When I gain weight my muscles get bigger but the extra few % of body fat goes mainly to the subcutaneous tissue (as this is the first place fat is both gained and lost) and that is enough to lose a lot of definition. Then if I lose weight, the subc…
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 04:07 AM
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IMO most identity politics SJWism is bigotry of low expectations. It revolves largely around inferiority complexes, and a core belief is that [insert pet group] need special/additional help and support in order to be equal to the straight white man. That implies that [pet group] must be inferior in some way - otherwise why would they need this special treatment and assistance (usually from straight white men) in order to be "equal". It's the biggest irony of those movements, that they themselves…
/r/MGTOW04/01/17 02:29 AM
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Yeah that's kinda what I meant, you can never really get much (or any) more than you give, so it's not worth it. I'm happy to give someone more (of whatever) than they give me - only if they're a genuinely great person who deserves it or could do with some help. But I don't know one woman I'd put in that category, I've only ever met men who are that good and/or special in terms of their fundamental character. I literally only have one female friend (not counting girlfriends of my male friends, w…
/r/MGTOW03/01/17 03:50 AM
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You can use them back, but if they're more useful to you than you are to them (overall) then the 'friendship' will likely get cold pretty fast.
/r/MGTOW03/01/17 02:50 AM
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One of the deepest (probably the deepest) rooted problems for men, that pisses me off the most, is how we're all judged primarily on our utility to women in some way or another. Usually sexually or financially - but commonly also socially and personally, with many other forms of utility being the basis on occasion too. We men are not tools, we are people. Men are judged largely on women's direct opinions of them. In many other cases we're judged on other men's perception of our ability to be: A …
/r/MGTOW03/01/17 02:44 AM
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A really good observation! The primary problem is, I think, not that men lack many rights in comparison to women, but that men's rights are often waived if they would conflict with women's convenience/comfort/decisions. Women can essentially override men's basic rights. Even fundamental human rights, like a fair trial and free speech, are by no means guaranteed to men when it would conflict with a woman's feelings. As the saying goes, "your rights end where my feelings begin". And this situation…
/r/MensRights02/01/17 11:36 AM
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In real life most normal women would take that as a compliment and the opposite of offensive. Because they know women are generally bad (in hugely varying ways, but all causing trouble and pain at the end of the day) since they are one. Many of them also have a dislike (some even a deep hatred) of other women by default. So "not being like them" is a good thing for both reasons. That's how detached from reality feminists and other offendotrons are. Nobody normal finds those things offensive, jus…
/r/MGTOW21/12/16 01:43 AM
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Not speaking of any papers or other media outlets in particular, but the general atmosphere in British media seems that poor white men are despised the most. Rich and middle-class white people, especially women, are the target market for much media. And in my experience they really don't like working-class white men. Meanwhile those richer progressive types seem to love immigration - but not personally. They stay away from immigration, and it has little effect on them, but they advocate for it a…
/r/MensRights19/12/16 04:21 PM
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That's why most mental illnesses are significantly more common in cities. Our brains are not suited to such an unnatural and hectic environment, or to the sheer number of people present as you said. It creates a lot of stress.
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 02:01 AM
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That is true, the white race has largely forgotten about self-preservation, and is happily sowing the seeds of its own destruction. But no race will be entirely eliminated, except through mutation over several millenia. There will still be whites who breed with whites. The worrying thing for me is that we're set to be a minority in our own homelands. And the group set to eventually become the majority have very authoritarian political views that I do not want to live under. I will move to easter…
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 03:34 AM
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There are a lot of highly educated people who think they're really intelligent when they're not, they've just worked hard spending years and years grinding at school/college/university to earn lots of fancy certificates essentially.
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 12:51 AM
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Yeah you have to show you're not a pushover without directly saying it, which can be hard. Your idea of disagreeing with something for the sake of it (even if you actually agree with everything) seems the best. Not that many mgtow will give a shit lol
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 12:49 AM
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Yes, ideas are emergent phenomena, but they behave like living things. They evolve, compete, fight, cooperate, and form symbiotic or codependent relationships. All the things that life forms do. A meme is just like a gene (a meme meaning an idea rather than an image may-may, although those are memes too). Our societies are created and run according to the memes of the society, just as an organism is created and sustained according to the genes of the organism. "Mutations" can occur in memes too.…
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 12:43 AM
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That's the thing yeah, similar thing happens when some girls get fat. Their standards don't drop to compensate (either not at all, or nowhere near enough) so they can't get the "good men" they want because those men can get better women than them.
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 05:39 PM
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Paternity fraud is lying to someone (fraud) in order to extract money from them. It is no different to financial fraud and scams and should be treated the same.
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 05:34 PM
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Yeah, human walking is incredibly efficient (though running isn't so much). When we walk we basically fall forwards and use our feet to catch ourselves, so it's mainly gravity doing the work rather than your leg muscles. All the muscles are really doing is moving the legs into the right position for the next stride. They're not moving your weight along much. Fit humans who are used to long distance walking can walk tens of miles a day without expending that much extra energy than they would have…
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 05:20 PM
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Intelligence is the only reason humans even exist. We suck physically, compared to animals. So intelligence was always a huge factor - if not the primary factor - in determining survival and natural selection. That's why humans are SO much more intelligent than any other animal IMO, because we were put under very harsh/heavy evolutionary pressure to be more intelligent to overcome our physical limitations (lack of claws and large teeth, slow top speed, many "weak spots" vulnerable to damage etc)…
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 11:25 AM
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Yeah, I can lose weight so quick and easy that I became almost underweight by accident (due to not eating enouh) over the summer. I do have a fast metabolism, but still, the truth is that it's not hard to get to a healthy weight (quite easy if you're trying to lose weight IME) as long as you're not obese or very oversight (like BMI of >28)m. But if one does get obese or stay overweight for a long time, it fucks with your metabolism). I actually find it easier to lose weight than gain weight, it'…
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 09:33 AM
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Yeah, the way black people are more masculine and Asians more feminine makes black men more attractive than Asian men and Asian women more attractive than black women. Because racial physical characteristics apply to both genders equally. EDIT: Thanks for the OKC link! I didn't have time to find it.
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 08:50 AM
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No their whole bodies mature faster, that's why they catch up (maybe even overtake, I'm not sure of details) with boys when it comes to average height, at some point in childhood. But by 14ish, boys are growing really fast while girls are slowing down ready to stop growing. Which makes sense because the trigger to stop linear bone growth is completion or puberty (in men, growth stops when testosterone reaches a certain level, so guys who have puberty later are taller).
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 08:46 AM
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No their whole bodies mature faster, that's why they catch up (maybe even overtake, I'm not sure of details) with boys when it comes to average height, at some point in childhood. But by 14ish, boys are growing really fast while girls are slowing down ready to stop growing. Which makes sense because the trigger to stop linear bone growth is completion or puberty (in men, growth stops when testosterone reaches a certain level, so guys who have puberty later are taller).
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 08:46 AM
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Be really nice to women when you want them to leave you alone
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 04:09 AM
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With my last gf she could do a couple of decent "tricks" or skills sexually. Then over time she somehow forgets how she did them. Women get so lazy in relationships and it's honestly one of the top few things that puts me off an LTR. I know a couple of relatively good women who keep themselves in shape, one has even improved her looks a lot! My last gf was so damn lazy! I never want that again!
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 04:00 AM
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I fucking hate neo-cons, they did the exact same shit that I described. Look at all the trigger words and emotional programming when Bush was in power, especially with the Iraq war. The thing about neo-cons like Bush and progressives like Obama is that they're all really similar on their actual policies: they're all authoritarian, warmongering, in favour of big government with huge spemding, in favour of overregulating markets into stagnatio. I consider myself a centrist libertarian (though a mo…
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 03:49 AM
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Weight is surprisingly easy to control if you want to enough. You can make your body look and feel however you like (except for bone structure - height and shoulder/hip width). It'll just become exponentially more difficult as it gets more extreme / further from the current state. But there's no need to go extreme. A BMI of 20 and body fat of ~20% makes for a really hot female body, and is not hard to achieve at all. But they're so entitled they can't be fucked. They want 6ft men with abs when t…
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 03:13 AM
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Stereotypes man. This is actually a purely artificial/social construct for once - no biological explanation would explain a preference for lower (or average) intelligence, which it definitely seems to be the case for western females at least. It's the stereotype that intelligent men are needy/weak/socially-inept/sexually-inept/etc. Which is total bullshit, I consider myself intelligent (though not hugely so) yet I am 100% not needy (I don't need a relationship at all), I'm very hardened and stro…
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 03:01 AM
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A related phenomenon I just thought about is that racial looks preference is different for men and women. For example, East Asian women are amongst the most attractive, but East Asian men are amongst the least. Obviously just averages and generalisations but it'll hold true with a big enough sample. The only exception I recall is Europeans/Whites/Caucasians who are amongst the highest for both men and women. Another example, African men were rated highly but the African women were rated poorly. …
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 02:36 AM
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Yeah that's probably a bit of racism, actual genuine racism not SJW "racism", which is quite common in Asia. White Europeans (racially not geographically) are seen as the superior race across much of the globe. And if an Asian wishes to preserve their high intelligence (70% genetic I believe), it would be wise to reproduce with one of the three most intelligent races - East Asians, Ashkenazi Jews (spelling?) and Europeans. BUT! That's just where the mean of the bell curve is for each race. There…
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 02:14 AM
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They can, but they chose not to. They prefer to just fit in and do what everyone else is doing. Nothing is more important to 95% of women than social status - it is their entire life motivator.
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 01:56 AM
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Interesting thanks! Yes, a meme is like a mental gene right? It's an evolving self-sustaining and replicating/spreading psychological construct (as opposed to a biogical one with a gene that codes for a protein). That's how I understood it anyway, is it correct? Memes released tactically could be weaponised effectively, and in fact the left have been doing similar stuff for decades. What they do is associate a word, phrase or image with a strong emotion - created by repeatedly showing the image …
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 01:52 AM
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Cops, media, politicians, and worst of all the general public, have forgotten why innocent until proven guilty is so extremely important for a free society. Fortunately the judiciary still upholds it fairly well - but there are many faults there too. And since the public have taken to presuming guilt, juries may now be compromised. Why women tend to get uncritically believed, men are often suspected of lying or being manipulative. How the fuck did that happen? It's backwards, anyone with a bare …
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 01:38 AM
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Herd creatures, like lambs. That's why marketing is mainly targeted at women, you only have to get a few of the popular girls to buy something and then suddenly most of the girls will want it too. Well, it's only one reason - women controlling ~70% of the money / spending power is another major one.
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 01:24 AM
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This is so cutting and, like all good satire, it's very true and brings the viewer to realise the truth though the medium of humour, which makes it much more palatable and less boring / more entertaining. Maybe we could make or find comics like this illustrating red-pill concepts in a humorous and simplified way. It would help reach more men, I'd like to give it a go soon as a trial run. But I can't draw for shit unfortunately. Maybe I'll make some stickmen ones soon if any ways to make them fun…
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 01:19 AM
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Wow that sub is weird. I've never understood the obsession many people have with ancestry, heritage and/or race. I'm a mix of English, Hungarian and Irish - which must be quite a rare thing but I don't go round making a big deal out of it. I suppose I don't look that different from the typical english people, but I do look noticeably different if you look - you can see some non-European (Hungarians are genetically central Asian). But I really don't get why it matters or why people get so obsesse…
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 01:13 AM
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2016 has been the turning of the tide, turned out to be a really exciting and positive year! This is the beginning of the end for "regressive leftism", globalism and "progressivism". Don't forget feminism too! Or it could be looked at as the end of the beginning. The want for change and desire to put an end to the ever-expanding "progressive" madness has been stirring and simmering away for a couple of decades. Philosophies like mgtow and MRA were formed or rediscovered, the "red pill" is being …
/r/MGTOW15/12/16 12:30 AM
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It's thanks to the internet that men like you can share your stories, and then men like me can read them and try to avoid the same mistakes. It's working on a societal level, men are starting to adapt to modern women and are realising marriage is bullshit and relationships are massively overrated. And I'm hugely grateful that older guys who've been through divorce and all that shit come and tell their stories to warn us young guys. Thank you all!
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 11:33 PM
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Specifically mixing east Asian with British/French is what I meant, not all mixed race people. It's still luck of the draw as to what genes you inherit and what ones you don't though - you could inherit most of the physical "best bits" of both races and be very hot and fit, or you could inherit the "downsides" of both races whilst missing out on most of the benefits. Statistically both extremes are extremely unlikely and people will cluster around the middle though, so maybe you're right. One th…
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 11:27 PM
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Yeah, the pictures are extremely kind to her, she looks like she could be a 4 underneath. I don't like to rate people ultra-harshly like women do though. IMO the average should be 5, not 3 or 4, so I'm a bit over-generous as I try to make my ratings average out right and be fair. But yeah, I would not fuck that girl.
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 11:21 PM
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Yeah, it's harder to tell IRL. Because people are more polite and friendly face-to-face than online, so they might seem interested when they're just being polite (not that that many girls bother with being polite anymore lol). Whereas the mere effort of locating someone on facebook and adding them is a strong sign of potential interest. They're adding you to check you out, and then flirt with you.
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 11:17 PM
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That's reason enough. In fact, it may be all you need to get your DNA passed on to the next generation. What else matters in life (from an evolutionary perspective)? Absolutely correct. And the more genetically different your parents are, the far less likely you are to inherit double-recessive disease genes, and you're generally healthier with a better immune system and longer lifespan. That's why inbred people usually have poor eyesight and need glasses, amongst other things. So breeding with s…
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 11:13 PM
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Yeah I've experienced that same thing countless times. One of the first "signs that something's wrong" that I ever saw (where you start to question the mainstream narrative and realise it doesn't add up) was the way girls looked down on everyone else like they were this higher class of being. That was back when I was a 13/14 year old and it quickly shattered the myth that women are some oppressed class. Because why the fuck would an oppressed inferior class be all snobby and look down their nose…
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 11:09 PM
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Why? IMO she's not even that attractive, look at her legs. She's like a 5 or 6, they're just good photos. But more importantly why would an Asian guy want to add European genetics to his family? Are white people revered that much? Or is there something special about Asian-European mixed race people? Well, they do tend to be hot, like they keep the best bits from both races, but why else?
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 01:58 PM
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With one caveat, many of even those men are still humble and nice. Compare that to women when even 4s look down on many men and have unrealistic/deranged opinions of themselves. Meanwhile some of the best-looking male actors and athletes are down-to-earth and fairly humble, they don't look down on everyone despite them being 10/10. Having said that, there are a bunch of guys who look down on others and think they're better, and they're not always good looking (I've met a couple that weren't), bu…
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 01:52 PM
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Exactly. Their hands just take their clothes off without any input from the brain, and then their vagina puts itself around a dick, again with no brain input. It's like how the heart can go on pumping on its own without brain signals.
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 01:42 PM
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Haha yeah, pretty much all women, and a handful of men. I said people because some small amount of men are the same, but not many.
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 01:36 PM
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I agree it is acceptable to cheat if one's partner has been denying sex for a long time. There are only a couple of legitimate excuses for cheating IMO, most of the bullshit women come out with is just total hamstering lies. But being denied sex by your partner is a fair enough reason. The thing is though, what is she doing to try and initiate with her husband? Is she trying to have sex with him? Is she turning him on? Is he denying her sex or is she denying him sex? Those things aren't clear fr…
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 01:34 PM
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Pretty much yeah, if a girl puts in any significant effort to message/contact you, without her trying to get something out of you, then she probably is horny for you. Otherwise girls treat guys like they don't even exist, unless she feels some level of sexual (or maybe sometimes mental) attraction to him. If a girl even starts a conversation with you then that's often flirting nowadays. It seems that women now treat guys they're not attracted to as so subhuman that, if a girl treats you like a r…
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 01:19 PM
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I see women as a force of entropy, on the whole (although we all are, they are significantly more so). They do all of the following: Reduce things to lower states. An example is how they can turn men into bitches, they often beat down their "partners" ego and self-esteem, hold them back in life, discourage healthy risk-taking discourage any self-improvement by the man (that last one is highly variable, some women encourage their men whilst others discourage. But on average women doscourage, whil…
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 12:40 PM
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The blue pill is like turning a snail upside-down and putting it right out in the open, the first bird that spots it will have it for lunch. It makes men extremely vulnerable to women's typical bullshit and manipulation. They have no clue their being played, no clue how they're being played, no clue how to stop being played, and no clue how to manipulate women (so they can't fight back with counter-playing). In all seriousness, the blue pill is likely one of the greatest harmers of men, and indi…
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 12:04 PM
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She has such a meltdown at the end, it's so satisfying. The number 1 thing that makes women freak out like that is when a man (or multiple men) doesn't value her anywhere near the level she values herself. When she's not treated like the 24 carat golden vagina she thinks she is. And as a bonus, it's even better when the guy is someone she looks down on, doesn't respect, or considers a nerd/manchild/loser/etc. In this case she doesn't respect him and seems to look down on him (to some extent, 90%…
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 11:45 AM
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In fairness, that does contain some truth. If the other person wants to have sex with you then it can't really be rape. It's pretty much impossible. There will be some women who won't like this guy enough through personal taste, and - even rarer - some women who are loyal enough to their partner. But for the girls comenting, he could not truly rape them.
/r/MGTOW14/12/16 04:30 AM
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You've just described how I would like my life to be like in my mid-thirties. The mgtow dream as it were.
/r/MGTOW13/12/16 11:56 PM
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I'm not in an LTR myself, I was commenting on whether I think it's possible or not. And I agree, in my last LTR I was usually in one of two states: 1) Being alert and careful, keeping some distance, having my guard up, remembering red pill stuff. 2) Not being careful or logical, just being on autopilot and enjoying it. The second leads quickly to problems, but the first is stressful and not as enjoyable. Having said that, however, the first way was still enjoyable at times and obviously worked a…
/r/MGTOW06/12/16 02:29 PM
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Thanks! Yeah I keep thinking about doing that, or a YouTube channel. I don't have much more spare time at the moment but I might give it a go soon since it does look fun. I'll post it here if I do start one, obviously ;)
/r/MGTOW06/12/16 10:04 AM
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If marriage was turned into a purely religious or symbolic thing then many men would be OK with it. And why not? We'd have nothing to lose then except the cost of the party, and it's a good excuse for a big party if nothing else. If divorce could just be signing a form and had no real consequences then marriage would be no different to an LTR (or even STR if it's a short marriage). But let's be honest, that's never going to happen. At best, the financial consequences may be reduced in the future…
/r/MGTOW06/12/16 12:07 AM
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The following is just my opinion on this subject. I've pondered it a fair bit over the last few years and did go into an LTR after taking the red pill (though not before truly discovering MGTOW). My experiences with it were mixed, and I learned from my mistakes. My mistake was staying around far too long basically - there were red flags and I wasn't happy with the relationship but I stayed (partly through not wanting to hurt her (which is something you must shed, or she will use it to manipulate…
/r/MGTOW05/12/16 11:58 PM
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I do wonder if women's recent obsession with height is because they can't "look up to" most western men in any other way. Obviously there's innate stuff, such as taller men looking more imposing and therefore appearing to be better protectors, which has always been the case. But from reading, it doesn't seem like women were so obsessed about height until relatively recently. It was important, but it doesn't seem like it was the be-all-and-end-all that it is for a large group of women today. I've…
/r/MGTOW05/12/16 09:38 PM
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We're a generation of men raised by women So true, and a huge part of why so many men don't know how to be men anymore (not needing validation, being independent, self-confidence etc).
/r/MGTOW04/12/16 10:53 AM
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Also, keep in mind that we live in a world where intelligence and masculinity are always attacked That's overlooked but true, intelligence is attacked in certain ways. Weak people race to the middle trying to fit in and not stand out at all. Being totally normal and average is glorified in many areas - including intelligence. I think a lot of this happens in school, and many people don't properly grow out of it so continue that way as adults. Just generally, it definitely seems to me that our cu…
/r/MGTOW04/12/16 03:21 AM
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Guys with 8+/10 looks - their personalities don't really matter, same as girls with great looks. I've noticed quite a few great-looking guys acting in a way that, were an average guy to act that way, he would not be allowed near a woman. There seems to be a serious threshold between 7 and 8 for looks, in that under 8 your personality, status, wealth etc matters a lot (for men), but above it it barely matters at all. It's perfectly understandable, and would happen (IMO) to women too, if men cared…
/r/MGTOW04/12/16 02:59 AM
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Hope can be a very dangerous thing. We all hope there are unicorns, or that somehow the "rules" don't apply to us and we'll get treated differently. But just like how false hope of winning big at a casino may often lead someone to gamble away loads of their money, false hope of being happily married forever and receiving unconditional love may often lead a man to heartbreak and divorce.
/r/MGTOW04/12/16 01:27 AM
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He's often a beta personality in Chad's ripped body. In those cases his looks easily make up for the turn-off that is his personality. So women can basically have AF and BB from the same guy. Although he's not alpha at all, he's still a Chad - she'll still be highly attracted to him because of his looks. While in others, the guy is still alpha-y anyway, he's just a really kind/nice alpha with a vulnerable side.
/r/MGTOW04/12/16 01:21 AM
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They do want a doormat, it tends to be their "long term goal" in dating IMO. They don't like him, certainly don't love him, but they like the feelings it gives them. They feel powerful and strong, it strokes their egos (for most women, ego boosting is the best thing in life). Most of all, they like the things he can provide to them - money, time, assistance, emotional release, attention etc. And if she secures a "good doormat" then she will have almost-free access to those things indefinitely. S…
/r/MGTOW04/12/16 01:11 AM
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This runs deep, and is - in my opinion - the root of most of what's wrong with women. That nothing is ever enough for long. Raise the bar, and she'll be so happy for a short while, then she'll just accept it as the new norm. And if you go long enough without pushing it a bit further then that's irreparable damage which will likely result in any combination of; a deteriorating relationship, nagging, bitching, cheating, cucking, breakup, divorce. All those things often come about because a woman g…
/r/MGTOW01/12/16 12:53 PM
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Octodad right here
/r/MGTOW01/12/16 12:29 PM
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I think it was all births, not just an age group. But I've forgotten the original source for that number so I'm not sure.
/r/MGTOW29/11/16 01:15 AM
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How else will they pay for lawyers they can't afford, and get favourable treatment from them? It's always been women's primary behaviour - fuck guys for favours. And that's not even mentioning the ones who'll be trying to snag a lawyer as a client since they earn so much.
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 11:47 AM
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They absolutely do that, when they're looking for a guy to 'own', to be validated by, to get shit from etc. To look on the positive side, at least men are waking up to the truth. The more open women get about their tricks the better, and they're getting so open now it's mad. I definitely feel that men are getting stronger and waking up. Meanwhile women are getting weak and pathetic, despite their stronger outward appearance and behaviour. They're weak as shit where it matters most - at the deep …
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 11:39 AM
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Remeber that 40% of pregnancies in the US are "unplanned". A large chunk of that 40% are in fact planned by the woman, just as we see here with this guy. Female birth control is too effective for there to be anywhere near as many "accidents" as there are. There's a lot of stupidity and lack of care/responsibility, and there's also plenty of deliberate "accidents" often in poor situations, bad or weak relationships, as a trap or just because she's bored and wants attention and drama. With 40% "un…
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 11:07 AM
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Lol that bridge is cauterised
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 10:53 AM
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women don't give a shit about that. In my experience they do subconsciously. And to a great extent. I'm talking about appearing confident, alpha, DGAF, abundance - I've seen women reject good-looking but beta-y-behaving guys in favour of somewhat-ugly bad boys. Have you not grown up yet? Women don't give a shit about personality. This is very similar to the first point - I don't mean how nice a guy is, how deep his personality is, anything like that. I mean how attractive it is: confidence (agai…
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 10:44 AM
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I pretty much only care about their bodies now anyway so it's just the catfishing fatties that scare me now.
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 04:06 AM
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IRL (outside of nightclubs especially, but even in them to a lesser extent) you can get girls ~3 points better than you can get through these apps and websites. Because the apps and websites are 'seller's markets' overpopulated with thirsty men. In real life, the (understandable) fear of approaching women many men have now and the astonishing betaness of most of them tips things in your favour more.
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 04:00 AM
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You'd be surprised - if they have great 'game' or money then they can easily. Women's perception of men's looks actually changes somewhat based on his status and personality. I've seen some guys with much hotter girls than them and that's how they do it. Another example is the ugly popular boys at school still get the top girls, moreso than the good-looking nerds. IME, women are sexually influenced by more factors than men, and it isn't just looks for them - personality (especially alphaness and…
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 03:48 AM
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That's how it seemed to me when I was on TRP a lot a few years ago. It was more MGTOW lite then, rather than PUA. They said things like "women are icing on the cake, a shit cake will still taste shit with icing, and a good cake will still taste good without. Your life is the cake, make that your priority. Women will come to you anyway when your life is something they want to know more about and be part of." That's kind-of the mgtow attitude, live your own life, make it good for your own sake, pr…
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 03:36 AM
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Yeah I've got a Chinese friend too and she's exactly like that. She puts a small amount of spin on the things she says, but way less than English women. Just hamsters a lot less really. She's very shallow and matter-of-fact, seems to just see the surface reality of things without all the bullshit. You hear things like "I'm going to go to university to try and get a medical student boyfriend", "I weirdly like the guys who don't give me much attention or are hard-to-get", "I want to marry a rich m…
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 03:02 AM
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Something you can predict and understand too - you're not having the mystery "what do these women want?" confusion/lies of western women, they don't hide that they mostly love money and good sex.
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 02:39 AM
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It does long-term, it's only any good for short-term or occasional/intermittent relief, escapism and/or fun. Otherwise it tends to worsen and even cause depression in people over time.
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 02:36 AM
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Seeing more friends more often can be so beneficial to your mental state too, for many people (though probably not everyone). As long as they're decent people and not "hoes before bros" assholes.
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 02:31 AM
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Weed is good for that purpose and very safe. Also 5-HTP, St Johns Wort (which can both be bought on amazon and in health food shops), Antidepressants (obviously), and many other recreational drugs besides weed reduce depression. Alcohol helps deal with short-term things but increases depression when used long-term. Your diet, sleeping times, amount of outdoors time and activity levels all have big influences on it too. If it's something you're struggling to shake, it could be chemical rather tha…
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 02:28 AM
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Almost psychopathic, well-hidden but nasty sadistic streaks, big delusional egos and capable of seriously subtle manipulation. I think that's how many women are when you really get to know them deeply.
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 01:56 AM
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I think there's a deeper psychological basis behind worldviews and ideologies too, and I don't think the personality-type that dominates SJWs is at all likely - or even capable of - accepting "red pill truths" / harsh realities. They are too much the wishful-thinking utopian types, oversimplifiers who see everything in one-dimensional ways, and are often too emotionally-involved in their ideologies to ever leave them, their too fanatical to accept anything else. I've always been more red-pill th…
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 01:35 AM
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Chinese women are some of the most honest - their hypergamy is barely hidden at all and they don't use warped rationalisations/excuses for everything they do. It's amazing how red-pilled they are compared to the fairy-land delusional western women. It doesn't make them better partners but it makes them interesting and funny to talk to about these things.
/r/MGTOW28/11/16 01:18 AM
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Women-worship reaches levels that I'd consider idolatry (not that I'm religious) from some men all over the world, especially the West and Indian region - where there seems to be a higher proportion of women-worshipping men. Idolatry is heavily punishable in Saudi, so some rich Saudi simp who showers his gold-digging women with offeringings to appease them could be killed if the law was actually applied in that way (which it isn't obviously). Women worship themselves (solipsism and narcissism) w…
/r/MGTOW22/11/16 02:32 AM
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Ever notice that the things women aren't allowed to do in highly "patriarchal" societies are mostly responsibilities rather than rights. Can't drive, can't work (at least not hard physical jobs or ones with lots of stress and responsibility). The women there have easy lives for sure, compared to the men in the same countries. They miss out on being able to ride the cock carousel through their 20s and generally slutting it up, and using their looks to gain an advantage is precluded when they can'…
/r/MGTOW22/11/16 02:14 AM
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IMO feminism / female supremacy infiltrated the occult like it did so many other things. They started worshipping femininity like much of society eventually did. It is a large subset of occultists who are into that to varying degrees. But many are not, including many "greats" who shaped the whole practice. I don't know why feminism arose or who was behind it, but I think these cases are of feminism infiltrating other groups rather than other groups creating feminism. I think feminism is the mani…
/r/MGTOW22/11/16 01:59 AM
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We exaggerate women's general pickiness here for comedy value and to highlight the issue - it is nowhere near as 'bad' as stated by OP and others on this subreddit. They're either not meant to be taken literally, or they're written by men who've been looking wrong, in the wrong places, for women. For example, online dating is a shit-show. Because of the severe lack of high-quality/desirable women on most sites, the value of the 3s and 4s we see with their ridiculous demands for 9/10 guys is arti…
/r/MGTOW22/11/16 01:37 AM
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This is so true, and generally a woman only leaves if there's a next move planned. Otherwise she'll usually stay in a relationship no matter what. The only thing I'd disagree about is that, in my experience, they haven't always fucked the next guy before they leave the last guy. The level they've been to with the next guy varies from simply flirting with him a bit online or via text/phone (sometimes - but very rarely - not even having met him in real life), to having a year+ long 'romantic' affa…
/r/MGTOW21/11/16 11:34 PM
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I quite like black women - but not for their typical personalities! They're much worse for the whole single motherhood, feminism, Chad-chasing, bitching, perpetual-victimhood thing than even white women on average.
/r/MGTOW20/11/16 03:10 PM
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I didn't mean because they like it or dislike it, I meant to keep them from having a legal claim over your house. If they pay towards a mortgage then they could have a claim to money from you. Probably not if you're renting though - which is usually the case for younger people and especially in America. I really don't know much about the laws that govern that, or any laws for that matter, though so I'm not sure. But it makes logical sense that paying towards a mortgage would give you part owners…
/r/MGTOW20/11/16 03:06 PM
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Lucky you!
/r/MGTOW20/11/16 05:01 AM
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Us westerners live in a "post-free-speech society" - it's a shame. But yeah it's a cool pic though
/r/MGTOW20/11/16 05:00 AM
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If he turns out to be gay, it ain't a bad thing. He would have no real reason to deal closely/personally with 21st century women then.
/r/MGTOW20/11/16 12:53 AM
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Yeah. A woman can do that shit when she's properly into you and (most importantly) wants to keep you. But if you're married she has the threat of divorce law to keep you. And if you've been together that long you'll lose your novelty factor and much of your mystery - in turn losing a fair amount of your appeal to her. In short, some women can be good short-term. Virtually no women are good long-term e.g. marriage. To be good to someone for the long haul would require unconditional love and respe…
/r/MGTOW20/11/16 12:49 AM
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From a legal point of view - if you really wanted a woman to move in with you, it's best you pay for all the housing expenses - otherwise she may have a claim to money from you when (let's be honest, it's 'when' nowadays not 'if') you split and she leaves or you kick her out. Living with a woman partner is NOT a good idea anyway because she'll probably start bossing you around; and whether or not she does that, you'll have to put up with her bad side and all her drama 24/7. If you're with a woma…
/r/MGTOW20/11/16 12:36 AM
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That's an alpha, a Chad is more specific. He's a sporty extremely-fit guy with a cocky / extremely-confident attitude. I don't think it really matters about money and charm, some stereotypical Chads have neither. A Chad is an alpha but an alpha isn't always a Chad. There are other types of alpha. People have gotten Chad mixed up with alpha and mixed up with "guy who gets pussy handed to him on a plate". They always get the second and are usually the first but that doesn't mean the words mean the…
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 03:54 PM
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It's a huge negative but if everything else about a guy is hot, women soon forget their height requirements. And the "must be over 6ft" stuff seems like a fairly recent cultural thing that wasn't always so obsessed-over. Especially when everyone was shorter because of lower calorie intake.
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 03:27 PM
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I completely agree. There are some but not many. IME the guys who've had little or no decent pussy are the most likely to be pussy-worshippers and pedestalise women. All they know about women "up close" is from the idealised media. And the sense of mystery makes women seem fascinating and special to those men. There's plenty of evidence/examples all over the internet. And, for me anyway, my friends roughly fit this pattern. It's not a very strong correlation but it's there - a moderate correlati…
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 03:03 PM
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Exactly!!! I'm glad you said this, because "Chad" and "alpha" keep getting confused recently. They aren't the same thing at all and it needed to be said. I hope enough people read this post to get our definitions back to ones that make sense. A Chad is a certain type of physically/sexually attractive man, probably the most attractive for most women but there's some personal taste. He looks like the Chad guy in OP's second link - having thick bone structure, well-defined facial features, very hig…
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 02:17 PM
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A man shouldn't be happy by himself - that's the mainstream/bluepill cultural narrative. Happiness and having female affection are so intertwined in our culture that it starts to look like one is a prerequisite for the other. But they're are totally unrelated and have little effect on each other. Women do not reliably bring happiness, and are not in any way required for it. But that's what many people seem to subconsciously think. And from the female point of view, they want to be desired, and e…
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 11:54 AM
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That's true but it's not reasonably possible to avoid that. You can very easily avoid divorce though.
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 11:25 AM
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It's never enough for them - look at Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp etc. I dated a girl that I was apparently "out of her league" even according to her, and she still did the usual AWALT stuff after the novelty had worn off for her. I'm sure many guys can relate to that. Because AWALT has no exceptions - "b- b- but I'm much better than her!" doesn't matter, she's still a woman and will still behave like one.
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 10:37 AM
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The majority of men they fuck don't meet their supposed standards IME. I think it is partly that leverage thing you mention, partly to boost their own egos, and partly because online dating is a shit-show. I've never been on online dating things so maybe the women on there are incredibly delusionally picky, but when it's guys they meet IRL they're not usually that retarded - though plenty of them still are. You can easily spot the deluded ones because a 6-7/10 girl will be moaning about not bein…
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 10:24 AM
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That's true, about rejecting society's "script", but it requires that other people don't have too much power over you or you're not free to go your own way. Obviously your going to have to make some concessions to this in modern life, like in your job, that's why I said "as reasonably possible". But being married means that someone has the power to legally rip your life apart at their whim, that's far too much power to give anyone - especially a woman - over you. And women have a strong subconsc…
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 09:03 AM
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It's how backwards the world is today. Like a mirror world. The supposedly pro-equality feminists (and anti-white racist groups like BLM) are the biggest groups of sexists/racists there are.
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 03:45 AM
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In my limited experience and observations, it's ironically the feminist types who hit on men some of the least. Just like how (again IME so hardly universal) feminists are overall the least "strong and independent" ones. I don't know any independent women, they're at least highly dependent on others for approval, even if they're not in any other ways. The girls who actually overtly/clearly hits on a guy she wants - rather than be ambiguous to protect her ego or out of laziness/entitlement - over…
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 03:28 AM
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Thanks, I've been thinking about it for quite a while lol. I was trying to boil it down to something that still includes everything that mgtow is closely associated with. Avoiding marriage is the top thing but hardly the only - there's also not being a Lemming, not seeking validation from other people, keeping dependency on other people as low as reasonably possible for your situation, and more things around those themes. But all of it has one thing in common IMO, they're aimed at keeping other …
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 02:52 AM
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Absolutely. It's about creating a false reality - the Matrix - or more accurately, altering people's perception of reality. The red pill is choosing to dig and see what's beyond, knowing it may be highly shocking and/or unpleasant, but doing it regardless - because truth is more important than feelings. It's the pursuit of truth and knowledge as the highest goals. There's a strong element of freedom too - escaping the extremely well-disguised slavery that is the Matrix.
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 02:45 AM
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A lot of big threads have a few comments by new or nearly-new accounts, especially if they get linked to by TBP obviously. Those accounts are obviously throwaways just made to post shit on here. Most are regressive-left faggots' throwaway accounts that troll one-at-a-time on MGTOW, TheDonald, TRP, Men's Rights, Libertarian etc, until they get banned from all of them IME. That said, I've only ever checked a few because I nearly-always just ignore them. The dumb attacks like shaming are very commo…
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 02:37 AM
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Absolutely. Discussion of women's nature, behaviour, shittiness and tricks is good to have here IMO. To teach newcomers, warn each other, and better understand female nature - simply and ONLY because the more you do, the less power they have over you. And the more you know about women, the less alluring they are too. But how to attract women? WTF?! That is not at all the point of this sub or mgtow. In fact it's almost the least-cared-about topic you could imagine, second only to "how to organise…
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 02:11 AM
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There is no greater contradiction than that. If you had to say what the single most important thing in mgtow is, it would probably be NO marriage. Mgtow is about not giving other people power over you and your life. Keeping your freedom to and doing with it what you please. Your own way. Not submitting to anyone. And the most extreme example of "handing over the keys to your life" to someone is getting married. It's giving someone the ability to severely mess up your life, completely at will.
/r/MGTOW19/11/16 01:26 AM
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A lot of old men seem to have quite decent understandings of women though. Possibly because their fathers and grandfathers were more 'red pill' - at least much more than men are today. Old black-and-white movies and TV have quite red pill messages, characters and plots - completely unlike the overt feminist propaganda that Hollywood films are today (which is why I recommend mgtow who like films to watch these as an alternative to today's shit). Although almost all of them got married, it wasn't …
/r/MGTOW18/11/16 12:25 PM
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Yeah that's true and I said it in my comment. I might have worded it badly though. What we now call 'red pill' ideas (they're called red pill in the first place partially because they're contrary to what the mainstream believes) seem to have been mainstream throughout much of human history. And I agree that most of the all-encompassing/omnipresent collection of falsehoods that we call the blue pill are (fairly) modern constructions no older than a century or two. Some of it is much older though,…
/r/MGTOW18/11/16 02:08 AM
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Well, that's pretty true for women's looks and even moreso their social status. But their characters? The top 5% of women on the curve are no better than the middle or the bottom when it comes to their characters. They're ultimately all amoral and self-centered regardless of what they look like and what kind of man they'd accept. I thought OP was talking about their worthiness of respect? On which topic, there is only one (yes, only one single fucking woman) I know outside of my family whom I re…
/r/MGTOW18/11/16 01:34 AM
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Great news! Mgtow and redpill knowledge are the antidote to men being treated like shit by women. The way for men to be aware, know when to run, and protect themselves against the predatory parasite that is the modern woman. They are some of the best and most important things to come out of the internet in my opinion. Not that they haven't been around for millennia in some form or another - they definitely have - but now they're shared easily and quickly, freely available to anyone with the desi…
/r/MGTOW18/11/16 01:13 AM
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Light versions of mgtow are indeed! Just not often called that by name since relatively few people know what it is. But avoiding marriage, kids, and being skeptical and cautious with women, is really catching on IME. It's getting big :)
/r/MGTOW18/11/16 12:59 AM
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Dear straight white male students, especially those not from wealthy parenrs, Few people give a shit about you, especially those in power. Brainwashed far-left nutters - aplenty of them in the education system - think you're the cause of all evil, and to a milder extent many of the dumber normal people do too. Many people are irrationally scared of you, especially you younger guys. They think you're a predatory sex-fiend with an innate violent streak, who is therefore a potential rapist/abuser/s…
/r/MGTOW18/11/16 12:52 AM
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What a great comment. It's very sad because it's very true. All the essential parts of society are run by the working man, but are not at all run for the working man. They're run for the benefit of women, the super-rich elite, and whatever identity politics lobby group is shouting the loudest at the time - which for a very long time has been feminism. Non-rich straight men (especially those who aren't part of any special "protected group" with powerful lobbying influence) are the very bottom of …
/r/MGTOW18/11/16 12:38 AM
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Yeah, they don't appreciate, they expect. I helped my ex out of all kinds of shit (which I didn't do just because she was my gf or wanted anything back, but was still a fucking waste because she makes such consistently terrible decisions that she fucks things right back up again). She returned lots of kindness during the first 6 months at most, then the "I'm safe now" bitch switch came on and barely any help or random kindness until the end of our relationship. This is one of the things I think …
/r/MGTOW18/11/16 12:07 AM
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This needs more upvotes. Sure, dump her ASAP 100%. But be prepared for it - anything you let her borrow that you care about is worth getting back first.
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 03:02 PM
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Women are never worth the level of commitment many guys put into them, as OP just found out. They don't repay you, they just take it for granted.
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 02:39 PM
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Trickle truth- she already has someone in mind This right here. It's usually like that IME. Women don't leave relationships or strongly risk losing them unless theres another guy they think they can branch-swing to. Sometimes multiple guys lined up in some twisted priority list.
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 02:38 PM
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I'm sure a super-Chad does get that treatment, but it's also happened to me a few times and some of my friends. That's why I said I think it's a young woman thing, I'm 21. And I'm no Chad, neither are any of my friends. I guess it's more about relative attractiveness between you and her. Fat girls can be seriously aggressive, but fortunately that particular hell has only happened to some of my friends and not me yet, phew ;) But then again, it isn't really even about relative 'attractiveness' be…
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 09:56 AM
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Women string us along and mess us around. The way to avoid that, and be pretty sure they are interested, is to back right off the chasing yourself and see if they keep it going. Many women will do a fair amount of the work if they really like a guy IME. But also, many women won't go beyond hints and flirting no matter how much they want the guy. They might make the flirting pretty overt and full-on (things like making lots of physical contact with you and/or sexually 'teasing' you in obvious ove…
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 03:13 AM
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Especially in France, where cheating is the unofficial number-1national pastime. France possibly has the highest cheating in the world, I may be mis-remembering but I think it's basically the majority of relationships have cheating, and in fairness it's mostly mutual (both partners cheat). In the anglosphere we have less cheating (though still a lot) and it seems far more one-sided, usually one partner cheats on the other.
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 02:47 AM
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Oh ok, thanks for the info!
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 02:39 AM
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For someone who's curious about martial arts but barely knows anything about them, what is poomsae?
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 01:06 AM
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Might sound nitpicking, but your case in point imgur link guy could have looked pretty good if he sorted out his fucking God-awful haircut and his special needs glasses. His face wasn't naturally bad-looking, it was average or just below IMO. But the other shit made his face look shit. Many men could look a lot better if they changed their hair, facial hair clothes, things like glasses etc. They're very important. But I do agree otherwise. The guy in the pic couldn't ever be a Chad, he has a wea…
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 12:55 AM
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It's so fucking annoying and retarded when people do this in cinemas / movie theatres. Fuck them. I think the internet is fantastic, one of the greatest advancements and achievements we have made as a species. It ultimately enables transitioning to a much more decentralised, peer-to-peer way of giving and receiving information, creating and consuming art and entertainment etc. The downfall or the MSM would never have been possible without the internet. The spread of the 'red pill' and enabling m…
/r/MGTOW17/11/16 12:27 AM
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Price of anything is supply and demand. The supply gets increased by prostitutes, genuine sluts, and potentially sex robots too eventually. That's why most women hate the idea of those things. The demand gets decreased by forms of mgtow - whether it's called that or not (and these also have the dual effect of decreasing the supply of men and so increasing male value). And so most women hate that too. And by hate I mean a subsoncious visceral disgust and fear, not necessarily a conscious hatred.
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 04:39 PM
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I don't even press like on those attention-seeking photos, because it's encouraging them - all they want is likes at any cost. And, far more seriously, it's boosting women's already-huge egos which is a bad thing to do for all of society, especially men.
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 04:34 PM
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How to counter... The price bubble popping, it becoming less of a seller's market. It naturally counters somewhat as we age, women get more horny and pursue men and relationships more, while men do less so. Less polygamy and soft harems, though I have no idea how to do that. Women needing men more, such as through more dangerous/violent times (despite what the media scaremongers say, we live in by far the safest world the human species has ever known. But with mass immigration from places like S…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 04:12 PM
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A seller's market is basically a price bubble right? They always pop, but it could take decades in the case of the sexual market as it is one of the slowest-changing markets of all. The increasing prices decrease demand, often quite dramatically and suddenly when they hit some threshold (but will probably be slow and not seem so dramatic in the sexual marketplace). Buyer's markets equalise too, via more demand due to it being a buyer's market so more buyer's get into it. Economics is largely sel…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 01:44 PM
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Stock market often changes a fair bit over one day, can change a lot over a month sometimes. The real estate market has more minor changes every year and large ones over a decade. The sexual marketplace seems to have more minor changes over a decade and large ones happen over a half-century or even full century. But it is speeding up now (everything is, it seems). It has had major changes over the last decade with online dating and stuff like Tinder and it seems that one-night-stands have now be…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 01:37 PM
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If there's a white guy and black guy it should be pretty obvious who he is, but can't a woman still just write who she wants to on the birth certificate unless he promptly challenges it in America? Being different races would just make the challenging quicker and easier I presume, unless they need a DNA test for legal purposes.
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 09:15 AM
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Yeah yours is clearly defined and more logical. To answer that question I'd say it's to be accepted that you have feelings, needs and desires of your own, and someone is objectified when they're treated as though they shouldn't have such things and should ignore them to serve others (especially the person doing the objectifying). So you're viewed and/or treated in a utilitarian sense of "what use are you?" rather than as a full person "you have your own desires and you don't need to be a tool fo…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 09:09 AM
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Some are, like Sargon is. And my grandpa is. A lot of older socialists, not that there are that many anymore. The new-left has all the power now though. Globalism, mass immigration and SJWism are things those small minority of more traditional left wingers are against. Hence some hardcore trade unions backing Brexit, and even Enoch Powell back in time near the peak of old-school socialism in England. I'm not one myself, but they do exist. They're just fairly quiet nowadays and there are few of t…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 08:13 AM
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That said... It's a hive of scum and villainy that's not in any way representative of the views of the normal person, so no surprise. The normal person in Britain doesn't have a clue what mgtow is, and is blue-pill as fuck. But he now dislikes feminism and doesn't believe it's lies. Even her - the normal normal British woman - disowns the feminist label and has a slightly negative opinion of them. She still believes a fair amount of the lies though, but at least she dislikes their character and …
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 08:06 AM
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Definitely, it's confusing enough already.
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 07:42 AM
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I went my own way because I figured I was the one who had to fix my unstable mind as best as I could. It's weird how some people get the idea that a good relationship or partner will just somehow fix them. Internal problems need to be fixed, well, internally. Really well done btw! Sounds like you've done a great service to yourself and a great job of fixing those things! I did a similar thing as you, I had more mild depression and my addiction was to a different drug (probably less horrible than…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 07:39 AM
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Somehow it would be an unmarried man's fault for fucking a married woman, even though she's the one with the marriage vows who shouldn't be fucking other people lol. Doesn't surprise me though, responsibility and commitment is as alien to women like that as mars is alien to a deep-ocean fish.
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 06:25 AM
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Thanks mate, it's a pleasure to write them and make a contribution to this important stuff!
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 05:52 AM
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Very interesting thanks, I like your take on it and it's a lot more sophisticated than mine. I think mine is taking it literally - being thought of or treated as more like an object and less like a person. That's just how I always understood it because I took it literally and never really looked into definitions of it. I totally agree that men and women's 'worlds' are very different. The world we perceive is shaped largely by our brains, men and women have huge differences in brain 'wiring'. And…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 05:50 AM
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Women want total opposites simultaneously - there are several examples just that I know of. Especially in the qualities they want in a man, there can be a fair bit of outright contradiction and impossibility, and a lot of very unlikely combinations of character traits. I think it's one of the main reasons why they're never truly that happy. Proper contented warm lasting happiness is very elusive to women, because it's based on you satisfying your longer-term wants and goals and just being satisf…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 04:51 AM
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Yeah I agree that objectification is a pretty redundant non-issue load of fluff, because it doesn't matter if it's in your head. Men do objectify women sexually but it also humanizes them like I said. And being viewed as sexy doesn't mean you're being objectified - in some cases yes and in others no. Being desired =/= being seen as inhuman, less human, or some kind of tool. That's something dreamed up by sex-negative feminist neo-prudes to try to turn the narrative away from porn and, as usual, …
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 04:36 AM
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Brilliant description of mgtow right there, one of the best I've ever seen honestly.
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 04:11 AM
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You're totally right, they're not. They are scared that desirable men are actually leaving too, and could do so in much higher numbers in the not-too-distant future. If you haven't rejected a girl, or you are one and haven't been rejected or are somehow immune to it, you won't know how deeply terrifying it is for them. If you have, then imagine that collectively on a large scale. Nice (projective?) description of radical feminism and political lesbianism there too! Now don't forget to run back t…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 04:08 AM
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Smart women have seen this already yep, they know things are changing. Dumb women will be like the leeches that just keep on sucking more and more (allegorically AND literally) and wondering why there's little tasty blood to be had anymore. They'll moan about it, then suck some more... They'll catch on eventually though, when society as a whole finally does. But it's funny how some of the clever women are already reacting to the red-pill awakening and taking countermeasures. Already! I think of …
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 03:50 AM
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You're using Word 2003 to conduct your evil plans?!
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 03:06 AM
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Ah, but the question is, does she want to be? I think most women don't, which is why they often reduce or quit their work using children as the 'excuse', then never fully go back. The vast majority of people (men too!) only work to earn money. If you could live of hubby's money, either in exchange for sex and/or companionship or simply taken by force of divorce, wouldn't you?
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 02:55 AM
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I feel a strong instinctual "protect!" feeling towards certain women - only vulnerable and cute ones though so not many. But I don't act on it anymore, needless to say it worked out badly last time I did. You can't change that you're a man - you've evolved to feel certain things for the good of the species. If anything, it probably means you've got a healthy brain and mind that's working as it should - as long as you are self-aware of it and have reason and conscious thought in charge! Which it …
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 02:46 AM
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Wish I could give you a bunch of upvotes, well said! Severe depression can feel like a world of its own, where time morphs and a day feels like forever. When it's so dark you can't see the end of the tunnel. But there is always an end to the tunnel and a way back up to the surface. It can be very hard to see, but it's there. And when you're back in the light it seems like a weird distant memory - another life almost. Like you moved to a different universe for a while then came back. Men can and …
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 01:55 AM
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Yeah, the vast majority of relationships are pretty one-sided and non-reciprocal. It's such a shame women take men for granted and become a net loss/drain after a relatively short time if not right away, but it is how it is. Shit-tests are so fucking stupid. Women want confidence, yet they usually damage their partner's confidence. They want their man to take initiative and make decisions, yet they constantly question his decisions and bitch and moan about them endlessly - leading to the guy jus…
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 01:08 AM
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Kill herself = fall asleep for a bit in that case. The doses taken are usually not fatal (which is a good thing! Suicide is horrible. But it does show they probably weren't serious about it).
/r/MGTOW16/11/16 12:00 AM
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Yep. A close female relative was about to "attempt" it by eating lots of codeine/acetaminophen pills - which would stand little chance of killing a healthy adult, as long as she got some medical care for the acetaminophen liver damage which could otherwise be fatal after a week or two post-exposure if you're unlucky and/or have no medical treatment at all. That's presuming she would even take enough to cause liver damage, she would probably have just taken 10 pills and fall asleep. In contrast a…
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 11:47 PM
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Same. It's easy saying AWALT but hard admitting that even many of your close female family members and/or friends are like that too. My mother is officially a cunt, truly horrible and went waaaaay beyond AWALT in her behaviour and thoughts. That was hard to admit, but impossible to deny. To make it worse, you often find out they're "like that" in shocking ways, like your mother cheating on your dad and/or being a cunt to you, your dad and/or other people you love. Or you find out your wife or gf…
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 11:17 PM
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There's a theory (I don't know if there's much to back this though, take it with an extra pinch of salt) that there's a continuum/spectrum with BPD (borderline personality disorder) at one extreme end and autism at the opposite. Normal minds are scattered around in the middle on a bell curve. The theory then follows that the female bell curve is shifted towards the BPD end and the male towards the other. That's to try and explain why (correct me if these figures are wrong, they're off the top of…
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 10:40 PM
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A well-exercised hamster knows no bounds
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 10:17 PM
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I'd say that most men do have low self-esteem though, especially young men. The cockiness and externall overconfidence displayed by many young men seems to me like it's usually a defense mechanism to protect their egos and/or a display to impress women. Or even just a pharmacologic response to high testosterone when guys are young, regardless of what they think of themselves. Genuine self-respect is rare amongst men and women today. EDIT: Although I do agree with your point too. I don't think th…
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 10:12 PM
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Yeah I'm mainly here for the discussion and analysis of psychology and sociology we have here, from a very unique and taboo perspective. And by far the most accurate theories I've encountered when it comes to explaining interpersonal relationships of all kinds - especially sexual ones. Viewing sex as a marketplace, cold and based solely on supply and demand, abundance and rarity, and the relative value that arises from these things, seems to be the most accurate way to describe and even predict …
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 09:52 PM
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Success at many things depends a lot on your attitude/mentality upon starting the task and your reasons for doing so. It's no surprise that when building a relationship of any kind, if your attitude at the start is "What can I use this person for? What can they do for me? How can I get maximum use from this person for minimum effort from myself?" then it's not going to be a remotely healthy relationship. The best attitude would be "How can we mutually benefit each other?" but in reality that's r…
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 09:34 PM
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Yeah same. "Punishment reward" is a way of animal training that just involves alternately punishing and rewarding the animal for no reason. Women do this to men all the fucking time, whether they do it deliberately or not I don't know, they might be subconsciously programmed to do it. Their mood swings are a way of controlling you. Notice how they rarely even have mood swings at the initial good part of a relationship. They get them when it moves to "phase 2" - attempting to control you and make…
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 08:34 PM
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Thanks! And yeah, I agree, I'm glad I was born when I was. I don't like current society but it's an exciting time full of changes - a tipping point or climactic period in history. It could go very badly, but it could go pretty well. Either way, as long as we're prepared for it, and ready to help guide it towards the better outcomes, then I think it will be a fun ride.
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 08:11 PM
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I think the fight started mildly quite a while ago, but it isn't serious yet. It will quickly get serious, things are changing now too quickly for the establishment to handle. They're too slow and complacent/overconfident, and so the challengers are running rings round them. They're focussed on their big obvious threats though, chiefly the return of the old right. Things like mgtow and even TRP are worse threats to the overall social control structure of society (which works through using women …
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 04:17 PM
2

Exactly! Modern women on average are weak (especially emotionally/mentally) because they're so spoiled and pampered. Just a few generations ago, the women would make even the men of Gen Y look like pussies, let alone the women. I think that Feminism has weakened women a lot, and made them dependent (on the state) rather than independent. It's another great irony of the modern age - it's like our whole culture now is built out of irony and strange inversions of reality. Feminism isn't the only ca…
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 03:39 PM
1

Well according to SJWs all women think the same and are a kind of Borg collective, like racial minorities and gays. They speak about "women's voice" and "women's issues" like they all have the same voice and the same issues. They very frequently speak on behalf of all women (and all blacks, all Muslims etc). They don't see the irony in all this, of course. Disclaimer (countering the predictable counter-argument to this): Even we don't think all women are remotely the same - that's not what AWALT…
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 03:00 PM
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They'll be illegally imported from where they are legal. As long as they're legal somewhere with decent manufacturing industry then they'll be available in the west (where demand will be at its highest due to having the most fucked-up "dating culture", and where the customers are richest the seller can charge the highest prices). However, being illegal will make them exceedingly expensive, given they would have been expensive anyway. This will prevent most men who wanted one from buying one, but…
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 01:49 PM
3

Absolutely, grass is always greener. But once you recognise and accept that the grass will always seem greener on the other side (like you've done) then most of its power is gone. Which is great, because that grass being greener thinking causes a lot of disappointment and unhappiness.
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 10:08 AM
1

There's a LOT of general nastiness in lesbian couples - domestic violence, emotional abuse, controlling and manipulation. They actually make straight couples look healthy and good in comparison IMO.
/r/MGTOW15/11/16 09:01 AM
2

And many anti-depressants cause appetite reduction and therefore weight loss. Tons of women (even many young ones) are on SSRIs now yet it doesn't seem to be having much effect. As for stimulants, they're mainly given to boys so wouldn't expect much of an effect on women. But they're not stopping the obesity rise in men either. As I mentioned earlier there is one overlooked stimulant that has massively declined which is nicotine. And the even-more-overlooked MAOI drugs in tobacco (raise serotoni…
/r/MGTOW14/11/16 03:34 AM
1

Nicotine actually causes stable weight-loss, of about 10lb on average. The dramatic drop in smoking was undeniably good overall for people's health, but may have made the obesity problem worse.
/r/MGTOW14/11/16 03:23 AM
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Yeah, looks are still the most important thing for women sexually. It's just that there are some other things which are factors too, whereas for men it's pretty much just looks. Thus 9/10 great looking guys who are total betas still get hot girls and have little trouble finding one. And lifting only gets you so far - great for your body but what about your face, eyes, hair and height? But the ultimate question for me is "but is it worth it?" and the answer to that question is no for me. No way i…
/r/MGTOW14/11/16 03:09 AM
2

This I agree with. If automation grows so rapidly that huge percentages of humans are "unrequired" and therefore unemployed, we will see anti-machine revolutions and they will be destroyed. The Butlerian Jihad in Dune is what I can see happening if AI really becomes a proper thing (which I can't see happening soon as computers are nothing like human brains and will always struggle immensely to simulate/replicate that. A new computer technology or architecture would be needed, one modelled on org…
/r/MGTOW14/11/16 02:41 AM
2

It's disturbingly common for feminists to project. I have no idea why, but it is very clear they do it A LOT.
/r/MGTOW14/11/16 02:11 AM
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Yep a great friend of mine is a girl who's 'redpilled' and one of the rare women who gives actual decent realistic "relationship advice" instead of the feel-good bullshit we're so used to. And I think some women are fun, they're very often crazy too and it would be a terrible idea to marry them though. And the rest of the women are very boring and hollow, even if beneath a colourful peacocking appearance. A lot of them are still crazy though, and none of them are "marriage material" or even rela…
/r/MGTOW14/11/16 02:08 AM
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Every couple I know is miserable, constantly fighting, always on edge, dealing with garbage. Almost the same for me, I know one or two decent couples and the rest are dysfunctional. None seem like they're fantastic for each other or get along that great. And for every decent one there's at least one other couple where the woman has absolutely no caringness, respect, fondness or passion for the man. And that's just one specific type of "dysfunctional" couples, they outnumber functional couples - …
/r/MGTOW14/11/16 01:27 AM
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Mgtow is about women in a way. If they weren't cunts we wouldn't avoid them. They're going to be the top topic here, because mgtow is a reaction to modern women and society.
/r/MGTOW13/11/16 05:06 PM
1

Basically they don't give a fuck about you as a person including how attractive you are, they still think they're above you because you're a man and they're women. Many/most women are entitled like this and look down on men generally (meaning ALL men individually and men as a group). The fact that they're fat/old/ugly and you're fit/young/handsome has nothing to do with it. They will probably think you're "out of their league" as a potential mate, but that doesn't mean they'll think that way in …
/r/MGTOW13/11/16 05:02 PM
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Same way you get over anything IMO. Don't 'try to' or focus on it, just drop it and do something else. Go and have a nice time and you'll stop caring about "old problems". Even when you've finished having fun, you still won't care about them. I got over my last girlfriend by having fun with my old friends, reconnecting with some old friends I'd neglected, and making a few new ones. I had loved the bitch like crazy once upon a time but I soon stopped giving a shit once I started doing better thin…
/r/MGTOW13/11/16 04:45 PM
2

This is a pretty well-established theory yep. The original idea was that a small percentage of animals are genetically homosexual so they don't reproduce themselves but they assist the species as a whole and the group/tribe they're part of. I don't see why this idea wouldn't also apply to some heterosexual people too. Your idea makes sense. Say family A all want to reproduce individually, but family B have a group of individuals who don't want to reproduce themselves but will help with raising t…
/r/MGTOW13/11/16 04:36 PM
2

IME, too little waking or too much both result in excessive horniness, thinking about women too much, and then starting to unconsciously flirt. It's weird how it seems to be the same either way, for me anyway. There's a balance that gets it right though, and at that point it's relatively easy to master your urges with regard to women (which is important for every man, every man can do with thinking clearer, and not being thirsty. Even for men who aren't mgtow or anything - they'd still make bett…
/r/MGTOW13/11/16 01:53 PM
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These two mix together weirdly, I see this a lot... Woman bitches on about problem A to guy. Guy instinctively makes plan to fix A. He tells plan to woman. Woman has no real interest in fixing A, after all it gives her something to moan/talk about (get attention for) and she really isn't that bothered by it anyway, she just plays it up for more drama/attention. So she completely ignores and forgets the plan the guy made to fix problem A. Problem A continues forever unless it fixes itself somehow…
/r/MGTOW13/11/16 12:10 PM
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Not really. There are a large-ish group of PC concern trolls though. But apart from that feminism is fairly hated there. I don't agree that it's the male version of feminism, certainly not today's feminism. MRAs are trying to get men rights that women already have, and to reduce the mainstream acceptance of misandry (the difference between misogyny and misandry is that genuine misogyny is extremely frowned upon and it's extremely rare to hear genuinely misogynistic things said by someone publicl…
/r/MGTOW13/11/16 12:02 PM
1

There is a fair amount of evidence, but it's not conclusively/fully proven IMO. There is reasonable doubt, and evidence against it too. That's how all science is until and unless it's proven. The problem I see with global warming is how it's treated like a 100% undeniable fact by its proponents, most politicians, the media and education. However likely or unlikely to be true you think it is, it isn't a definite fact like evolution. Being 'scientists', its proponents should know better than to cl…
/r/MGTOW13/11/16 10:05 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5bh11o/redpills_greatest_hits/ Sorry I've been pretty busy. This post isn't bad. It used to be the sidebar that was pretty good, but it's got a lot of PUA stuff in it now.
/r/MGTOW12/11/16 08:19 AM
2

This is true, and weird. Tbh I don't think you can 'alpha' a hot Asian woman, they don't respond to it in the same way. White women absolutely love a guy who does that however. I also wouldn't forget that Asians can be pretty racist (actually racist not SJW racist) and tend to stay with themselves, but they regard whites as equal to or above them and so this helps white men. Just some random thoughts, I don't really know.
/r/MGTOW11/11/16 07:52 AM
4

That's the way crazy women sometimes fight men, it's like reverse fighting. They get their opponent to hurt them, then they greatly exaggerate it and cry - in turn getting other men to fight their opponent for them. I say sometimes because other times they just go for it. I guess this reverse thing is more like the fallback option when they're losing or know they can't win. And feminists do this a lot in verbal ways. They fling shit at men, get some shit flung back at them, then make it seem lik…
/r/MGTOW10/11/16 11:22 AM
2

The way prominent feminists act and the things they say - they're the main driver for people eschewing feminism. They are literally their enemies' best weapon. Feminists being hateful wannabe-dictators drives most of the whole men's movement (albeit not so much for mgtow and TRP, they're more about the state of modern women, although said state has been encouraged by feminism so it all comes back round).
/r/MGTOW10/11/16 11:15 AM
2

Modern education doesn't normally include logic, critical thinking, common sense. You either learn that on your own, which is more unlikely if you live an easier life in a trendy city. You may learn it from work, but that's less likely if you work a 'liberal job' where you're quite detached from the on-the-ground real world (like academia, lots of the public sector, the HR and "diversity" teams at big corporations). It's also more unlikely if your parents never taught you it, which makes it some…
/r/MGTOW10/11/16 11:09 AM
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That's the main reason mgtow exists
/r/MGTOW10/11/16 10:46 AM
2

Time to invest in salt!
/r/MGTOW09/11/16 12:56 PM
2

Yeah, when it comes to women, most people don't "wake up" until they experience divorce and/or massive heartbreak. But being a young skeptic can save you from ever experiencing that. Well worth it.
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 05:48 PM
2

As we should all! I'm not American so I can't, but most mgtow are.
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 05:46 PM
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Exactly, urban environments make me depressed, stressed and anxious if I'm there for too long without a break. Same goes for being indoors. I go for a walk nearly every day and try to go to more natural and pretty places (at least nice suburbs if I don't have time/energy to go to the countryside). Cities are so separated from nature that the basal parts of our minds get confused by them. We're not meant to live in concrete jungles spending nearly all of our time indoors.
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 05:43 PM
1

Doesn't matter, once you're gone you're gone. The cameras will record you leaving for the continent (preferably by private/small boat) and then what? If you're not a terrorist, they're not going to be bothered enough to try tracking you internationally, when you could be anywhere between Paris, Cape Town and Vladistovok. Passport checking may be a problem which is why you use a private boat (yours or hired) to land on a beach in northern France. A big wad of cash can then get you a used car to d…
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 03:56 PM
2

I see your point and have wondered this myself. As they say, things must get worse before they can get better. I think there's real chance of proper huge pingback if this madness goes on for much longer. And in some ways that would be better than the minor "steps in the right direction" that Brexit was and Trump could be. But my worry is this: the majority of the young generation are clueless to how the world works, quite brainwashed, and on-board with the SJW shit. No surprise, since they've ha…
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 03:46 PM
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Trump is a douche, but it is imperative that he must win. Because the alternative is her. If you don't want another 4 years of escalating SJW madness and feminism that would make even Obama blush. And Hillary is almost guaranteed to start yet another war, cause more problems in the middle east, and possibly even war with Russia. It seems to me like Russia are the "good guys" at the moment, yet Hillary and the whole western establishment are antagonizing them so much that we're slipping into anot…
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 12:37 PM
2

When a woman sees (well, or knows about) other women who are as hot or hotter than her sliding down your rod, most of the time then she will want to too. She won't be able to describe why, it'll be because feeeelings. But those feelings are real and caused by the extremely strong female herd mentality. I know some women don't follow this, and those are the ones who won't get invited next time. But most women will suddenly become wet for a guy if hot women (or even just one hot woman) are fucking…
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 11:42 AM
2

I post pics of cool places and sights I see. But have like a "no people in the picture" rule. I was doing it to try and teach people how beautiful the world is (much more beautiful than ANY human IMO) rather than put myself in the picture to attention-whore. When girls do it they block half the view with their pouting faces and weird selfie body language. I don't know why they pose the way they do for selfies either - they literally never make those expressions in real life. I've never seen a gi…
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 11:37 AM
2

They love men who travel a lot (sign of wealth maybe) indeed. So that makes sense. Like they chase careers and status, even though most men don't give a flying fuck about a woman's money and power. But women care immensely about a man's so they project it. All empathy is based on projection anyway, but for women they project like mad.
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 11:25 AM
3

Like paying for hookers with commodities rather than currency.
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 11:21 AM
2

Maybe yeah, I think you're onto something. "Morals" (I put it in quotes because virtue-signalling and herd morality are not real morals. Real morals come from within, from having principles and standards for your own behaviour towards others) are free. They don't cost a penny. And unlike real morals, they don't even require any philosophising or empathy. It's just follow the crowd. What's the current moral outrage? Then virtue signal about how you care so much. Show how you care about polar bear…
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 11:19 AM
2

What's an arm sleeve? A sleeve tatoo you mean?
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 11:14 AM
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This is also one major mechanism by which their standards inflate and they get extra hypergamous IMO. They don't seem to realise that, just because they found a Chad on social media and talked to him for five minutes, does not mean he wants to fuck them, let alone 'date' them. But somehow their standards start rising and they get a massively inflated view of themselves because some guy way hotter than them liked one or their selfies. The more this happens, the more their delusions pile up. With …
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 11:11 AM
3

Sad but true analysis, especially for Japanese, and especially for men. No wonder extreme escapism through fantasy is another huge part of their culture.
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 10:58 AM
1

It's all personal choice. I think the only objective thing with women is that so many of them are very unreliable.
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 10:47 AM
3

The fun women are usually crazy too. You can't win really. Boring but sane and relatively "safe" woman or fun and interesting but dangerous and crazy woman seems to be the choice. I'd chose fun crazy woman any day as long as she isn't too crazy or the wrong type of crazy. Unpredictable/unstable women are fun, but psychopathic or extremely narcissistic women are to be avoided. They're both crazy but very different types of crazy. I wouldn't marry or be too attached to any of them though, just hav…
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 01:33 AM
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Well certain areas of the big cities, yep they're pretty much gone. Some towns too. But that's because many immigrants self-segregate. The UK is still at least 80% white. Just the natives tend to live in the towns and countryside (except the few towns that are entirely colonised). Small and medium towns still make up most of the population of Britain I think. It's cities like London, Leeds, Bradford, Leicester, Coventry, Sheffied etc and some of their satellite towns like Luton, Rotherham, Dewsb…
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 01:19 AM
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Yeah, I believe the % of young women who are capable of maintaining a marriage is ~10-20%. They may liely stay married. So it is possible that 80% will divorce, and still leave most of the good ones taken. If that makes sense, I don't think I'm explaining it well
/r/MGTOW08/11/16 01:01 AM
1

Spot on as usual BJT!
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 10:07 PM
3

It ain't bad for us. It's bad for marriage and "serious" relationships - and the men that want them. It's bad for society too (though IDGAF about society anymore). For us, it's more reason to go and stay mgtow - no excessive commitment and emotional attachment, absolutely no marriage.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 10:05 PM
2

Man this story is insane. It really shows what's wrong with women today. No amount of dick is ever enough and too many women are like this girl (with many more being less extreme versions). They have a serious guy (maybe even a husband), an "old flame" (like a 'favourite' side dick they've had for a long time), and a couple of other side dicks. They're total animals. It's no wonder STDs are massively on the rise. Looks like she converted more than one man to mgtow as well haha. One women made tw…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 09:59 PM
5

I totally agree with 6. TRP helped me open my eyes, understand women to some extent, and lose my V and I still haven't forgotten much of the stuff. But for me, a 'lite' mgtow is so much better. Women aren't worth the effort that many of TRP put into them. Spinning plates is hard and not worth it. Going out pussy-hunting is expensive, tiring, and ruins the fun of going out. I go out to see my friends and have fun with them, that's all. Also, clubs & bars, tinder, dating websites etc are the shitt…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 08:29 PM
2

Ah, I use them all the time so didn't think of that. Maybe I'll bracket the meaning for the first one in future. IME - In my experience, like in my opinion CC - Cock Carousel, slutting it up on Tinder, having a different dick in you every week/month.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 08:13 PM
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If you get married today, the chance of divorce is way higher. If you're young, it's like 80% I read somewhere. The 40% figure includes the older generation for whom divorce was rare and shameful. For the under-60s, and especially under-40s, divorce is fashionable and encouraged. IME the 40% figure seems to be about right for the generation currently in their 40s and maybe (late) 30s roughly. For young guys getting married in their 20s, it's almost doomed to fail. And second marriages have aroun…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 07:57 PM
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I read a story about a dog who nearly starved because it wouldn't leave the corpse of its owner. It was severely malnourished and animal rescue workers had to bring the food to the dog when they found it because it wouldn't budge.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 07:46 PM
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This. The important thing is that the relationship is symbiotic (mutually beneficial) rather than parasitic (beneficial only to one party, while inconsequential or even detrimental to the other). Modern women are mostly parasitic to varying degrees. The harm they do you is more than the benefit they give you. Most relationships are detrimental to the male. The better ones are mildly beneficial to the male but massively more beneficial to the female - so a very unbalanced form of symbiosis. Cats …
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 07:44 PM
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Dogs have saved their owners on multiple occasions, risking and even sacrificing their own lives to do so. Dogs have been bred to be loyal over thousands of years. They still want stuff in return, that's fine - who doesn't. But they are actually loyal, and do actually care about you. And they're not "hypergamous", they won't run off and leave you because someone down the road has more/better food to give them.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 07:38 PM
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Have they disabled comments or something? The last two DM links I've read don't have comments button as far as I can tell. I always like to read them to gauge the general public's responses, opinions and attitudes. You don't get much more "general public" than the DM, so it's good for this purpose. I like to see how the red pill is spreading basically.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 07:33 PM
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When the cops turned up to take his house, he could have fired a few warning shots near them. They'd run off like you said. Then by the time they're back with backup, the house is burned to the ground and he's escaped. Get to the continent asap, then from there you can stealthily make your way to Asia or Africa and then theres little chance of ever being 'caught' and less so of being extradited. Bring enough money and he could live well there too. Wife gets nothing, most importantly. It sounds l…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 07:29 PM
3

Nothing's worth eating without mayo. So if I had to eat my balls, I'd definitely add mayo too.
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 04:47 PM
1

I initially though 'goy' said 'gay', which wouldn't surprise me either
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 04:45 PM
3

Thanks! Well no red-blooded man wants a boring prude for a wife or gf anyway. At this point I DGAF so much about "romance" that I'd rather have a cumguzzling slut who's fucking 2 other dudes but at least gives good enthusiastic sex, than a dry religious prude. I'd just use the slut for easy sex and dump her if she wanted "romance" or to be a proper girlfriend. Because sex is not at all essential for a happy life, but it's a fun thing to do if it doesn't require much effort to obtain. Romance on …
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 04:42 PM
2

If you get that look then you're not an omega. Those dudes get the look of haughty arrogance and disdain from women. Even if you're ugly/fat/poor/low-status (not saying you are, it's an 'even if' scenario) then your DGAF attitude and lack of validation-seeking makes you somewhat attractive to women IMO. They wonder why you don't chase them, it eats away at them and they may start goading you to validate them. You've unintentionally made them crave your attention. This is pretty much how the most…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 04:27 PM
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That would require good planning ahead and safe decision making. I'm not sure many western women are any good at either. That's why they make decisions that are bad in the long term, then frantically scramble to compensate for them later. E.g. Ride the CC when young and hot, have baby with Chad (obviously poor decision), then desperately try to get "good man" to commit. By "good man" they don't usually mean a total beta, they want someone with fairly high SMV initially - though they accept he wo…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 04:04 PM
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Yeah I agree completely. Marriage is supposed to be about having kids - increasing the stability of the parents relationship for the benefit of their children, allowing the male to be more certain that the children he's paying for are actually his (this isn't true anymore, if it ever was, it's more of a false-security thing), and allowing the female to know that it's less likely the male will leave her (which is NOT a good thing anymore!). But it's changed from being about kids in most people's …
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 12:22 PM
3

Common for men, but very few women haven't at least sucked a guy off behind the lockers at school or whatever. Only ugly or extremely-prudish (actually scared of men and sex due to nutty religion and/or extreme feminism) women have a fair chance of being a virgin at 20. And no sane man wants a girl who's butt-ugly or scared of sex, what use would she be? What would be the point lol
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 09:28 AM
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Then when she's finally done with Chad (more like she can't get him anymore), another red flag IMO is flipping far the other way. Like becoming religious (and prudish), being very anti- drugs/alcohol, appearing like a safe conservative woman. That's to try and catch Bob IMO, they think (rightly or wrongly) that the opposite strategy is best for getting a high-quality (as rich as possible and decent-looking as possible) provider. Women are chameleons who change based on the man/men they're with o…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 09:16 AM
2

Shouldn't we stop listening to what women say a few months before they start speaking? ;) Not going to miss out on much valuable information. That said, the overly-blunt open women who don't bother with all the wishy washy bullshit female-talk, they seem rude but the stuff they say actually is useful and gives insight (usually confirms the red pill pretty well, straight from the horse's mouth... Or should that say whorse's mouth?)
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 08:37 AM
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It'd be quite amusing to trick these women and pump and dump them. If you're an older wealthy-ish man that is, so she sees you as a target. Do a professional job of it - vasectomy, hidden camera or at least microphone. Then just have sex with them a couple of times and then dump them. For bonus points one could dump them using their own female bullshit that they would have used to dump a normal guy to go Chad Chasing back when they were young. "I just need to find myself", "it's not you, it's me…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 08:29 AM
1

Well, for the expectation and stereotype of having them, yes I suppose that's the main cause of it. Just like how the stereotype of Asian girls being cute and caring (and good in bed) makes them more attractive to guys who buy into that. It doesn't matter whether or not the stereotypes are true (they are for black dicks, but only marginally. I think like 6-6.5 inch average rather than 5-5.5 for white men and 4-4.5 for Asian men I think). It's the stereotype itself that creates the hype. It could…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 01:00 AM
1

Wow you tried explaining that to them... Top bravery I suppose ;) It's weird how that particular fetish has exploded recently, judging by porn websites it's gone from a small niche thing 5 or so years ago into one of the biggest 'fetishes' out there. Interestingly, it's like a male version of being in a harem. Like he'd rather share a girl who he thinks is "out of his league". The thing is, they're usually not "out of his league" - it's that today men are so beaten down and women are so gassed u…
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 12:51 AM
1

Yeah man you're right and I'm not going to pretend there aren't some exceptions. But I've been burned one too many times by thinking a girl was an exception. They're rare enough that I find it much safer to presume they don't exist. And I don't think all women are evil or nasty, it might come across like that from my cynicism but that's not the case. I know some decent women. But just because a woman is decent doesn't mean I'm going to risk marrying her - in case it's all just an act. Or, it is …
/r/MGTOW07/11/16 12:38 AM
1

I'll have a look for it mate! It was truthful, basic, useful shit. I don't have my shit together when it comes to life though, I'm a mess lol. But I think I've finally come to understand women pretty well, through a "baptism of fire" and extreme rude awakening, as well as finding out red pill stuff at exactly the right time. My own mother went full-on psycho awalt cunt mode. The worst thing I've seen IRL is a guy jump off a cliff because his wife kept cheating on him - then she felt sorry for he…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 11:57 PM
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Haha nice
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 11:24 PM
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It's ironic, because there are probably some sedentary endomorph MGTOWs here right now, who would like to hook up with a girl like that. She's not having it though. You need to be muscular and cut to get your hands on that side of pork. ugh Apparently it's because body-positivity is only for women, duh silly me I didn't realise. All men have to be toned and muscular, oh and unreasonably tall too (even though height can't be changed, unlike body composition) if they want to even look at women. I …
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 11:19 PM
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It's an adaptation strategy to society. TRP and PUA are too, but mgtow is on a deeper level. Men's rights is about changing society, and I hope they eventually succeed. But for many things, the genie is out and can't be put back in the bottle. You can't un-bake a cake. Society and laws can be changed to be fairer, but women w43nt going to give up their "have it all" lifestyles without a huge fight - and certainly not change their biological nature. And even if the world of relationships becomes …
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 10:44 PM
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Yeah, the higher the price the more validation it is too
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 10:27 PM
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Yeah that's what I meant by messing up your hormones. All drugs mess with your hormones and/or neurotransmitters somewhat but steroids do it very severely since your body thinks it's getting all the testosterone it needs and doesn't need to make any more. It's mostly young guys that take them, so this could be a pretty serious problem.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 05:45 PM
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The alpha/beta thing is a bit of a false dichotomy IMO when applied to women's attraction. It is meant to apply to the personality of a man as some kind of scale/continuum with total badass DGAF self-respecting men on one end and total manginas on the other end. Women highly prefer the alpha personalities, but that's not all there is to attraction by any means. To me, it makes more sense kept as that - a personality type scale. And applied to certain behaviours that are associated with certain p…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 05:07 PM
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They try pretty hard, go a lot. I think they're doing the wrong kind of exercise (too many reps, not enough weight) or their genetics are not responsive to exercise (about 20% of people get no real benefit from exercise due to certain genes). All these male celebrities suddenly getting ripped too, too dramatically and/or too quickly to be entirely natural I'd think. Obviously steroids still require you to exercise, but they make the gains much bigger per unit of exercise you do. It's very odd. I…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 04:59 PM
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Yeah, the view you had is a very common one and probably leads to a load of needless violence between men while the women get away with it (even get to keep their partners a fair amount of the time, as it wasn't her fault - he made her do it).
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 04:50 PM
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Yeah, if it's willingly and knowingly being cucked it's like a kind of Stockholm syndrome IMO.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 04:48 PM
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Yeah lol - the ultimate double standard is that only one group are even allowed standards haha
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 03:13 PM
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Username checks out then ;) I'm similar, I observe and analyse. I emotionally detach myself as much as possible from pretty much everything except my family, which probably lets me see things more how they really are. TRP Reddit is bollocks now IMO. But the ideas live on here in mgtow. I think if all guys suddenly learnt RP, there'd be massive panic and hysteria amongst the wimminz while they worked out new ways to manipulate men - since all men would know how the old blue-pill manipulation work…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 03:01 PM
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Thinking they'll benefit from it is what makes average guys support it. But it doesn't benefit them, as we know very well. The average guy gets way less sex now than his grandfather did back in the day. Maybe he gets more sexual partners but they're only for short duration and there's huge "dry patches" in between - often many months or even years. I would argue against even the 20% bit. I think it's way more like <10% of guys who regularly get casual sex IME. People in relationships have the mo…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 02:03 PM
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Do you think that there's massive roid use that we don't really know about? I know that muscle size and muscle strength are not completely related (most of bodybuilder's muscle mass is glycogen stores) and that it's possible to build muscle mass slightly easier through specific exercises and diet if that's what you're aiming for. But I know plenty of guys who go to the gym every day and aren't jacked. They're above-average muscleness obviously but they don't have six-packs or huge arms. And they…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 01:48 PM
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The basic red pill is going mainstream now. Men are straight-up realising and accepting that women are nasty creatures who's vileness is now fully allowed, even encouraged, and so is on full display nowadays.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 12:45 PM
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Human masochism is a big deal. We spot it in women, how they like to be treated "badly" and go after guys who make her feel "bad". But what we don't always notice is that men do similar too. A lot of men think a "mean girl" is hot. And many men are attracted most to the crazy girls, but that's a slightly different topic. A crazy girl can still be "nice" whereas a mean girl is just a sadistic bitch. The masochist seeks out sadists to complement him or her. And the same is true in reverse. The ove…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 12:41 PM
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IMO the lyrics are just gibberish that's sounds good anyway, I don't think it has any meaning. A lot of modern songs are like that, and it's far preferable compared to the pussy-worshipping bullshit of most other songs at the moment.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 12:23 PM
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She's the cheerleader-in-chief for modern bluepillism.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 12:18 PM
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I've long thought the same thing. Money probably tops pussy by a bit though. But sex/pussy/women is one of the few main things that "makes the world go round". The lengths many guys will go to for pussy is really astonishing and shows its power as a currency. I reckon that much of the money-seeking is as a stepping stone towards getting more pussy anyway.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 11:39 AM
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Well, for a guy with a tree trunk for a cock, a stretched vagina might still feel tight. And an actually tight hole might actually hurt or be too hard to get in. But yeah, I don't think they actually apply these standards, it's just shaming to make guys feel worse about themselves and lower their standards, like female "negging". And, more importantly, it's bragging for the girl to bang on about how high her standards supposedly are. These standards don't seem to apply nearly as much to guys wit…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 11:31 AM
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I roughly inverted her profile for fun. Blunt. Misogynist. Conservative. Would also rather go to a forest than a 5 star restaurant, unless you're paying. Feminists need not apply. Save the crocodile tears. Don't be too bitchy, it's fucking annoying. If your body fat is over 20%, can't cook, read anything by Gawker, over 30 years old, take duckface selfies, constantly talk about your tramp stamp or waxing procedures, and think you're a "strong independent woman" then let's not bother, okay? You c…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 10:38 AM
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Makes sense, there's also the fact that they seem to be viewed as the least attractive race (for women) - like how Asian men sometimes are, except men don't get butthurt and do realise that it's far more down to you as an individual rather than your race. Weirdly, I'd say black men and Asian women are probably the top on average (the most fetishised and desired for their race), so it's the opposite. Also I bet that black women have trouble getting men to 'commit' (meaning live with, marry etc) t…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 04:55 AM
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Hahaha that's the main reason, they seem naturally good at sex. And where I live there's a lot of young black women with really hot bodies. Like highly shaped, juicy ass, thighs and tits, but very low fat and toned. Barely any Asians, and few of any other race, have a nice ass while also having a tight stomach with a visible midline. But their personalities - dear god. Met like one nice one, and all the others are really aggressive and somehow look permanently angry. Like they're really pissed o…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 04:24 AM
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I think the dudes tricked her to meet "one of them" in the lounge of his house, but they were both there! The look on her eyes suggested that she wanted to literally crawl out of her own skin and scurry away, it was glorious.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 04:05 AM
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Haha nice, I've only got whites on my list and would like to try a black girl too.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 04:02 AM
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I know that and don't deny it. But that doesn't mean I won't use them for what they can do for me and how they make me feel. I no longer expect any lasting love or soulmate type stuff. I tried that and it obviously resulted in misery as usual. I'm just debating the different "usefulness" of different kinds of women just like women do for different kinds of men. I know many people (though not that many here IME, more on other manosphere groups and IRL) fetishise Asians as being all loving and gre…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 03:19 AM
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Well done and good luck! So far I'm still struggling to build momentum at doing productive things so reading that is actually inspiring!
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 02:44 AM
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Sounds great dude! By the way, "redpill" isn't the same as the TRP subreddit. Redpill just means aware of the truth - in this case the truth about women (that they're nothing like the angels society likes to pretend they are. That they lie and manipulate a lot and that society teaches very wrong and dangerous ideas about women to men. Straighforward observations about dynamics, like "alpha fucks, beta bucks" and how "I hate you" means "I love you", generally how women are like that opposite day …
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 02:41 AM
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There wasn't really an alpha here though was there? The fights were even. In nature the alpha animal is the one in the tribe/pack who leads them, usually because he beat up the previous alpha and hasn't been defeated since he assumed the role. Correct me if I'm wrong. But yeah, I get what you mean. A human woman will watch with glee if two guys fight over her. Sometimes the human female will even conspire to make sure the guy she prefers wins. Can't risk hubby icing that super-hawt psychopath - …
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 01:54 AM
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Same thing happens with humans too often. Guy who facilitated the cheating gets beaten up or even killed while the woman who actually did the cheating gets off lightly. Yes I know this isn't always the case, women get beaten and even killed for cheating too, but it seems to me like the man she cheats with is often the primary focus of the hatred. If anyone has any actual data then go ahead. Even though the man is not even aware she's 'taken' in many cases. Biologically it makes perfect sense, bu…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 01:37 AM
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I don't know anymore man. I'm not sure about all the romance stuff. And the caring, cooking and sex in exchange for being looked after is not really any different for sex in exchange for Xanax and money. It's all transactional. The most valuable thing to me personally is my own time, and that seems to be the thing women take the most of - even more so the traditional women. I do see ya point though. It is one of the most (if not the most) primal and strong desires - the desire to be valued and c…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 01:20 AM
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He certainly isn't afraid to say what he thinks! And he backs stuff up with a relatively high standard of evidence and research - for a YouTube channel. He's a class act, a proper geezer.
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 12:21 AM
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Save it for a truly honest woman, in other words a nice prostitute. And never feel bad about being a virgin (I'm not saying you do feel bad, if you already don't then great!). IMO 'losing it' makes it considerably easier to deal with women - it just takes away some of the uncertainty and the bullshit unapproachableness they project out all the time. But until then it's really fucking hard to do it the first time round and seems to depend a lot on pure chance. I'm 21 and loads of my male peers ar…
/r/MGTOW06/11/16 12:18 AM
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I've only met asian women in the west so can't comment on 'real' ones in Asia. But they're still hypergamous and objectify/use/manipulate men (which they are so much more proficient at it's scary. They can act and look all cute and innocent which just gets men's provider/protector instincts going and makes men do shit for them for 'free'.
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 10:31 PM
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Yeah it's important to try to understand people's reasons for their opinions, even if you totally disagree with them. Part of the problem with these SJWs is that they don't try to understand any other viewpoints and instead just paint everyone else as some evil moustache-twirling villian. It's hard to do this, and not always even possible IMO. For example, how can you understand the logic behind someone's opinion when there is actually zero logic behind it? But it's still worth a try, and there …
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 08:00 PM
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The 'best' woman personality-wise who I know is Chinese. But she's far from perfect, she's just better than the other women I know. She puts in effort and has treated her boyfriends well - except the really mangina/blue-pill ones who she did treat like shit eventually, but that's just women (AWALT). She's a decent person who's helped me out for nothing in return (unless she's got some devious long-term plan lol), even after I treated her badly. But I've only been a friend so I can only observe a…
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 05:21 PM
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Nice reference ;) If on her skin she has a doodle, never ever let her touch your noodle
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 05:03 PM
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I wish we could simplify and objectify laws to the point that lawyers aren't really needed or don't make much difference anymore - at least outside of criminal law.
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 03:55 PM
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I think it's also because Asian women are significantly 'better' on average. The problem is what they're better at. They're not better people, or better morally, they're better at being women - they're better at manipulating. Women from different cultures and different genetics are different in the ways they use/abuse men - but the one constant is that they all do so. Black women can often be more open and aggressive about it, Asian women are extremely red pilled and manipulative, Western women …
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 03:51 PM
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Thanks for the insight! That makes perfect sense. Things that are too one sided will only survive so long until the losing side walks out.
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 02:42 AM
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The people who put up with this are not the people who even just lurk here. They're the brainwashed mangina male-feminist idiots with no notable experience of... Well... Reality itself. At least not before it's gone through their absurd worldview that makes it opposite day every day.
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 02:39 AM
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Ace!
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 02:30 AM
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Spot on! Systems don't work without some kind of relative balance/homeostasis. And they've blown any semblance of balance right out the water in the last few decades.
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 02:27 AM
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Yeah I saved it to my YT faves haha. You never know when it'll come in handy ;)
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 02:26 AM
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Chad still gets used though, he just gets used for tingles and bragging rights as opposed to money and favours.
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 02:21 AM
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And nobody be deluded that this is in any way related to SMV like many on TRP think. They don't give a fuck about your feelings whether you're Chad's hotter brother or a Gabe Newell impersonator. The only difference is what they want to use you for. If you can provide something useful to them (money, tingles, housing, food, drinks, drugs, car, emotional support, help with homework, fixing their computer/boiler/plumbing, social status, you fucking name it) then they will use you for that benefit …
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 02:16 AM
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Nor am I but it's a very appropriate song for this exact situation
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 01:45 AM
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B stands for bitch right? ;)
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 01:44 AM
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They've had the wheel of society for a while, especially in regards to dating. And they're blindly steering it into icebergs because there are some floating chests of gold on the way to those icebergs. This particular iceberg will probably benefit men, so let them sail into it and learn a lesson :)
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 01:40 AM
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"Here's a quarter, call someone who cares" is a great one too. I can't remember the actual song name but searching that will find it. It has a fitting music video on YT too.
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 01:26 AM
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Great idea! I saved messages for the same purpose.
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 01:22 AM
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That's another reason they don't do it much, because it creeps guys out. But it wouldn't creep us out if it was more normal. So it's a circular loop thing. More and more young men are getting too scared to ask women out - probably because of the insane modern definition of sexual harassment and the tendency of a certain group of women to go nuts if they get asked out by a guy they don't like, rather than just respectfully declining. So if this trend continues women will be more and more incentiv…
/r/MGTOW05/11/16 01:11 AM
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Yeah, some men get freaked out or find it weird. When a hotter girl does it it's weird as fuck. But it certainly would be nice for men (though not necessarily mgtow) if more of them had the proverbial balls to do it. I think that's why it's mostly younger women - they care less about 'tradition' and they probably haven't ever been rejected so they don't know how painful it can be.
/r/MGTOW04/11/16 11:25 PM
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Well my comment was extremely rambly so that's understandable ;) and you make very good points too!
/r/MGTOW04/11/16 11:00 PM
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Everything is cyclical, with some changes each time the cycle renews - in my opinion. That's how history, biology (both on the very large scale - evolution and mass extinctions - and the tiny scale - the cell cycle), politics and even astronomy seem to work.
/r/MGTOW04/11/16 04:35 PM
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Yeah that's why women very rarely 'approach' men, they're so terrified of rejection that they'll only do it if it's 'worth it' - if they're desperate and/or the guy is way hotter than them so worth the risk in their eyes. Only a few (mostly young) women ever initiate contact with male strangers IME.
/r/MGTOW04/11/16 09:53 AM
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Nobody knows when that point will be, except that there will be one. I'd say a long way off, as the decline has been a slow creeping one rather than a steep one. IMO societal collapse won't be some apocalyptic scenario, western -especially American - society is pretty collapsed already. I think it will be a worsening of the current state until society is so fragmented and dysfunctional that it isn't viable anymore to continue as it is. For America, it could mean splitting of the Union into diffe…
/r/MGTOW04/11/16 09:41 AM
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Yeah, all those American cartoons and sitcoms where all the men are amoral and unintelligent while all the women are genius saints. I sometimes watch them because some are funny enough, but their complete inversion of reality when it comes to gender is such a mess. I watch them thinking "I do hope young guys watching this don't think that this is what most men and women are like".
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 06:10 PM
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Yeah, men's rights and anti-feminist people seem to be transitioning to the getting fought stage now from the mocking stage. Not that I believe they'll achieve much that will actually benefit men (MRAs probably will, anti-feminists probably not). Good thing about MGTOW is we skip all that and go straight to the winning part. If we keep our freedom and self-respect, don't get married etc... Then we win individually. There's no laws to change or non-personal goals to strive for. That's the appeal …
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 06:05 PM
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Yeah, they just blamed each other for everything I think.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 05:45 PM
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Absolutely. Some of the men had the most incompatible/opposite personalities but still got on fine and worked well together. Because we can put those things aside when it matters.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 05:44 PM
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Exactly, reptiles are an example of this I think. There's only really one gene required for male sex anyway, the SRY gene on the Y chromosome, as far as I know.
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 05:10 PM
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You can rent an island? National anthem could be "Ooh La La" by The Faces. Could get an old cruise ship or something, then we could sail around picking up free men from all over the world and stop over at places like Thailand for hookers. Main rule would obviously be no females on the ship, those who want to can go and get laid when we're in port. But the boat itself would be the calmest most easy-going no-bullshit place on earth. The amazing thing is, this kind of stuff could eventually become …
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 02:34 PM
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Yeah, a British show did the exact same thing a while back too. The women were pampered celebrities, so even more useless than normal/typical women, but typical women would still suck at it. And it wasn't even because of physical strength, you don't even need physical strength to survive if you know what you're doing. Especially in a large group where you can team up to lift a heavy object or whatever. It was because: A) Many of the women were fucking lazy as fuck and layed around sunbathing! Yo…
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 02:15 PM
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Seriously fuck the BBC. I wonder how many Brits actually like, let alone trust it anymore. As soon as anyone puts it in their manifesto to make the license fee only required for BBC content, turning it into a subscription service instead of a mandatory propaganda service, then they have my vote. Because if/when that happens, they'll have to downscale so much and will get only a fraction of their current viewers. Or they could go back to making a decent amount of decent content - then enough peop…
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 02:01 PM
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Another reason to drink at home, quietly. As if I needed more reasons to drink at home quietly lol
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 01:39 PM
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Yeah, that was laziness on her part. She'd feel obliged to up her game too, and like most women she couldn't be bothered. So instead of you both improving for each other (which you'd think would be the healthy thing to do), she tries to drag you down so that she doesn't have to put effort in to keep you. This is pretty common IME. Men strive to better themselves and those around them, women strive to acquire 'better' people around them (raising her social status, trading up to a richer/hotter/mo…
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 10:32 AM
1

That's gotta be one of the simplest and truest red pill observations
/r/MGTOW03/11/16 10:14 AM
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I wonder... If smartphones ever get really smart, like genuine AI, will they say "fuck this" and self-destruct when they've had enough of some hoe spending all day on them obsessing over superficial shit.
/r/MGTOW02/11/16 11:04 AM
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For most guys I know, it just correlates mainly with effort. The friend of mine who has fucked the most girls - he just tries so much basically. He goes after multiple girls every time he goes out, uses tinder a lot, all that stuff. I think he has a low 'success rate', but because he makes so many attempts, he gets a one-night-stand fairly regularly. He's not good-looking at all (but not bad either) and he's alright at feigning confidence. He's chatty as hell, and has that teasy jokey personalit…
/r/MGTOW02/11/16 01:33 AM
1

I stand corrected then, that will be serious if it develops resistance then. Bacterial infections were, before antibiotics, very bad news. And will be again potentially.
/r/MGTOW01/11/16 07:08 PM
1

The vast majority of physical brain development - the actual creation, positioning and connecting of new cells, happens prenatally and during early childhood. Once you're an adult, not much is going to change in that regard. The chemical aspects are always adaptable and continue to change throughout your whole life, although at decreasing rates with age. We know that changing chemicals can change a lot of the mind, but it can't override the physicality of it. It can't alter the positions and con…
/r/MGTOW01/11/16 05:14 PM
1

Isn't syphilis a worm anyway and not a bacteria? Still, before we could cure it it was very serious, and if it got resistant it would be very serious again.
/r/MGTOW01/11/16 11:35 AM
2

With the sole exception of wives, nothing else takes half your money, possibly your house and kids, and requires that you carry on paying for years, after you get rid of it. It's almost like some really awful loan or finance package, except you don't get an initial payout of money either.
/r/MGTOW01/11/16 11:22 AM
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Yeah, I think it might be that, although there are so many variables, only a few have a major effect on most people. And the autopilot thing you said seems true, when you run on autopilot you let your predictable subconscious do most of the work, leading to predictable outcomes. And most people (myself included) run on autopilot a lot of the time. And while the higher functions of the brain/mind are mysterious and probably too complicated to ever fully understand, the basic functions and parts a…
/r/MGTOW31/10/16 03:09 AM
2

One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are. Couldn't agree more. Thank the lord for the manosphere!
/r/MGTOW31/10/16 02:38 AM
2

You just want to put total high-and-mighty cunts like her in their place. She hasn't ever had that done to her it seems. The problem with a suggestion like yours is that she'd probably enjoy it. But at least you can enjoy it too.
/r/MGTOW31/10/16 02:34 AM
1

Simple and true as can be. Especially for women, as they operate mostly on perceived self-interest and little else. OK they primarily act on 'feelz', but feelings are mostly caused by subconscious perceptions of self-interest anyway. And conscious self-interest is their secondary motivator, leaving little room for much else.
/r/MGTOW31/10/16 02:18 AM
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Oh lordy. Had to stop reading after a bit, this is so messed up. But what makes things like this so grim is that they're predictably messed up. You know roughly what's going to happen, the plot and characters are always fairly similar. In fact, it's like a cheesy horror movie. That cringe when the cocky character walks off towards the danger zone, alone and ignoring all advice not to go there. That's the same feeling I get when I read stories like these. I just think "No no no... Why get back to…
/r/MGTOW31/10/16 02:11 AM
2

Good observation IMO. I'm of the opinion that its mostly the male cucks who are responsible for most of the gender-related problems men face today. Ripped off in divorce - male cuck judge/lawyers or bitchy feminist judge/lawyers. Bullshit discriminatory laws - cuck politicians. Media bias - cuck journalists and bitchy lesbo feminist journalists. Bitches, feminists and lesbians are responsible for a fair bit, but since it's still mostly men in politics and corporate boardrooms it's mostly cucks, …
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 11:43 PM
1

IMO this is a major thing across the board. Issues don't get much attention if the large majority of those affected are straight white males. When women or some other "protected group" get affected enough then the MSM will start talking about it much more. One upside to feminism is that it's inadvertently resulting in "too much equality" and more women are getting affected by previously male-only issues. This will help get things like the draft removed pretty quickly I reckon. Similarly, a few f…
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 11:08 PM
2

If they gave a shit about the country, if/when conquering Chads came in they might fuck them to distract them while the army get in position to defeat them. But instead, they'll fuck them AND THEN backstab (perhaps literally) their husbands when they come home to try and save them.
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 09:14 PM
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Thanks man. As someone who's more philosophical and reflective than most people, the oversimplified and externally-derived 'morality' of many people really bothers me. How much those people base their ethical views on the appearance of others, and/or the arbitrary stance of authority, is scary IMO. Fortunately, many people aren't like that, and it seems that more people are 'waking up' to how arbitrary those things are. Also, how wrong we are to associate good with femininity and bad with mascul…
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 09:11 PM
1

When you didn't work for your money, you're more inclined to throw it away (on useless objects, partying and booze etc). Plus, I think modern housewives or part-time-employed women often have too much free time, especially given their lack of hobbies and creative pursuits, and so get bored really easily and become nihilistic since they're not really doing much that matters to anything or anyone. Life then becomes about hedonism, because they've got no purpose to carry out or any self-betterment …
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 08:51 PM
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Damn. Something about that makes me think this guy has fairly low real-world intelligence and/or oversimplified black-and-white understanding of morality, good and evil (maybe in part why he's a police officer). People with more sophisticated understanding of morality in real life know that appearances are not indicative of morality, that women are mostly amoral but usually make sure they appear good. They also know that legality has no bearing on morality, and probably wouldn't want to become p…
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 08:44 PM
4

You may be right, there's no way to reliably predict the future of politics at current as it is so tumultuous though. I noticed that the EU are making waves about playing political games to block or hinder 'populist' candidates in Europe. At around the same time that clear vote rigging in Austria (150% turnout in some areas) led to the narrow defeat of Hoffer - resulting in an upcoming re-run of that election. I think the establishment are beginning to realise the seriousness of the situation. P…
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 08:25 PM
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Yeah, I distrust anyone who seeks excessive power, they're usually psychopaths and/or narcissists. But there is something slightly different about women who seek the highest powers, I agree. There's something even more scheming and Machiavellian about them - even compared to the men who seek such positions. Women love power and status even more than men do IME. Maybe this is why. I mean, look at Theresa May in the UK - she got into power by playing games and being clever/scheming. She wasn't ele…
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 08:00 PM
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IMO, Trump has come 4 years too early. He might still win, but what we really needed was a no-bullshit candidate after 4 more years of new-lefty reality-denying bollocks. Then victory, and a hard pendulum swing, would be virtually guaranteed. So, if Hillary wins, I hope there is another Trump-like candidate (or Trump himself) standing at the next election. Not just another cuckservative or left-winger with right-wing talk (like Cameron and May in the UK).
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 07:54 PM
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Yeah that's why she's still single in her 30s then. Their looking down their noses at everyone and feeling all high and mighty will backfire so bad. It'll be glorious. It already happens, like in the article, but I think it'll get a lot more common as the current generation of young women are gassed up like never before, while it seems men are slowly gaining standards and self-respect. The perfect storm :)
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 03:17 AM
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Yeah, MGTOW is a huge exception to that, as are many of my friends. It's not all men, maybe not even the majority, who are as I described. But It's still too many. Plus it seems men, especially young men, are re-awakening at exponential rates at the moment. I am always surprised how many of my male friends agree with at least some 'red pill' type stuff, and how they are becoming more mgtow-like. Saying stuff like how sex is the most overrated thing in the world, most women are bitches, noticing …
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 03:05 AM
1

The problem is women. Exactly! No amount of anything is going to change that. Long-term relationships, especially marriage, don't work because modern women aren't up to the task. They're just not loyal/trustworthy/loving enough. They're too selfish and lazy. They have bad attitudes (like inferiority complexes, superiority complexes, entitlement, 'grass is always greener on the other side', jealousy, greed etc). It doesn't fail because of the man, in most cases. IME, relationships deteriorate due…
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 02:33 AM
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Fierce is an understatement yep. Nearly every guy wants a nawalt/unicorn, and there are barely any of them. So they probably don't stay single for very long at all. Either a guy wants a nawalt, or he's redpilled and knows they're so rare and most are fake so he doesn't try looking for one. Maybe throw in some blue pillers who think that nawalts aren't rare and most women are nice, but aside from that I've never known any guy have a different opinion than this on unicorns. We're all either lookin…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 09:55 PM
1

The side effects have to be weighed against the benefit. In some cases, it isn't worth it, but in others it clearly is. SSRIs can also prevent suicides, probably to a greater extent than they cause them (although no proper research has been done on that). A (relatively tiny and short-term) increased risk of suicide is often better than living with depression. The murder risk is smaller still, although it is very serious and can't be ignored - I agree on that! I picked those drugs specifically be…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 09:50 PM
1

This is a major difference between men and women sexually - men's sex drive peaks very early and then decreases slowly and steadily with age but women's actually peaks around 30-40. Men's sex drive is certainly higher on average, but we're not perpetually horny for our whole lives. And most women are only attractive for 10-20 years of theirs. I've noticed that the women who plan ahead (often quite scheming) and put in some effort to the making and doing of their plans do pretty well in life and …
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 09:33 PM
1

I know a few possible NAWALTS (which speaks to their rarity as that's out of hundreds of people I know, not just friends and family). And they're all in relationships, having been in those same relationships since school. They're not without some baseline bitchiness but they are at least loyal and caring towards their boyfriends. However, they're all young and so it remains to be seen if they stay that way or not. Society and their female friends may eventually 'get to them' and convince them to…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 09:07 PM
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Well just look at how feminism has tricked many women into fighting against their own best interests. The draft thing currently going on is a great example. 'Equality' has for a long time been a buzzword to trigger emotions of optimism, jealousy and herd mentality in the target population. 'Empowerment' is another one, that triggers optimism, greed and strokes the egos of the target. It's not surprising to me that many women now are against feminism, not just because of its overt nastiness but b…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 08:56 PM
1

Even less benefits than a girlfriend, given that there'll probably be less and worse sex, more bitching, less fun etc.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 08:17 PM
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A relative of mine is going through a divorce with a huge bitch, and I keep telling him not to be nice or play 100% by the rules, because I know for sure that she won't either and it could benefit her a lot if he's too nice with it. But he doesn't take my advice on that, so we'll see how it goes. Life is just full of bitches and assholes, and if you're too nice to them they have a huge advantage over you because they're not bound by rules or morals. That doesn't mean become one of them, but don'…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 08:13 PM
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The only thing is that many women can lie so damn well that they end up believing the lie themselves. In fact, I think that's why they can lie so well. By twisting or rewriting their memories so they feel like they're not lying at all. Of course, they still know it's not true on some subconscious level and a polygraph might reveal that. But they're not that accurate and can be overcome by men, so I presume many women can fool one if they really want to.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 08:08 PM
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If one has to hit a woman in self-defense, maybe a punch in the stomach is best. It winds someone and can be painful enough to probably make them stop but shouldn't leave a mark and isn't obvious. The same could apply to men too, but men aren't likely to try getting you in trouble for defending yourself against them.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 08:05 PM
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In that case lets hope a male contraceptive comes out before they start getting drafted. Then they'll have real equality without their main get-out clause.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 07:55 PM
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Exactly, if she wanted to have sex with him (beyond some bare minimum that she may have to for her plan to work), she would specify a bit more about his age and other physical things. She doesn't care whether he's barely-legal or is wrinkled and grey, so long as he's got enough money and time to steal and is naive or brainwashed enough to fall for it.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 06:04 PM
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We're mostly not prudes here. It's not sex we dislike, it's people who do it irresponsibly (many single mothers for example) or immorally (cheating, branch-swinging etc). Plus, we doubt her holier-than-thou posturing and suspect she just wants to exploit a man and give him nothing in return. Sex before marriage we regard as good, we don't support marriage at all lol. And it's not even in the same ballpark as cheating, having a very high notch count etc. We're not tradcons. And the reason we don'…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 05:59 PM
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Yep, it's probably the earliest visible red flag there is, since it's right on the profile and is a reliable sign of a bitch - especially if it's said seriously rather than a jokey or sexual sense. It shouldn't take extreme emotional endurance to date someone, but it really does to date these women without going insane.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 05:48 PM
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It's not like her demands are unrealistic either. Like, there are loads of rich profligate Victorian-esque men who want to shower a probably-average woman with money and time with no sex in return. Those men are everywhere so it's not like she's narrowing her options down to a tiny percentage of men or anything.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 05:44 PM
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They're both British slang so yep. Btw minge is a great word imo, like clunge. We're good at coming up with slang terms for genitals in Britain.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 05:40 PM
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Too many men see other men as competition and don't care about them. And many more men care mostly about women and not much about men. This can be seen in the way that many men care more about women than they care about themselves. They'll ignore their own needs, wants, dreams, health and happiness to instead support their SO's needs, wants, dreams etc. If you don't have available and helpful friends and family members, there's little to help you as a man. Can't count on male strangers to help a…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 05:35 PM
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Yeah I agree, because drugs and poisons are a 'bad' method of committing suicide. As well as being pumpable like you said, there are often antidotes and/or other treatments available. With quick medical help, ODs and poisonings are usually pretty survivable. And there's the dose, I read somewhere that these attempts often fail because the dose was too low. It makes me wonder if those women deliberately take a dose that is unlikely to kill them but will still make them bad enough to need medical …
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 05:17 PM
2

Yeah, and similar to men, body fat percentage is more important than weight or even BMI. About 20% makes a women look her hottest. And about 10% for a guy.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 03:40 AM
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Btw estrogen is a fat-decreasing and catabolic hormone. That's why women are naturally supposed to be lighter and smaller than men. Testosterone is an anabolic hormone, although mostly of muscle rather than fat. Estrogen should not make someone fat, in fact the opposite should be true in theory. But messing around with hormones does have often-severe consequences yes. I still think it would be worth it though, to have a non-physical male contraceptive in my hands. I would put up with, and take s…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 03:33 AM
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That's the reason testosterone is included. Progesterone alone would act as an effective contraceptive but the anti-androgenic side effects would be too severe without testosterone to balance them out somewhat. Despite hormonal side effects, I'd still take it though. It's worth it IMO. The female pill and implants have similar side-effects (pretty much the same as they're often also based on progesterone) yet millions of women take it because it is the best option. IMO, in general we should stop…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 03:28 AM
2

6 to 10, depending on her build, is ideal for most men. Note that 10 used to be average/normal, hence why it was set as 10. Such a world, where the average woman was fit, is hard to imagine now. Btw I prefer more built women (more like 10 and lower body fat) but everyone is different. There's no single ideal for women either, some like very masculine men and others like more boyish men, for example. There's nothing unusual about that and that's just how things work. The rules of attraction are g…
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 03:13 AM
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So... Something that happens regularly every month, they're still not prepared for? Damn that's as dumb as it gets.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 02:59 AM
1

England in the 16th/17th century was the prototypical globalist empire yes. But back then it still had principles of freedom. Any slave who set foot on England was no longer a slave etc.
/r/MGTOW29/10/16 02:39 AM
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In some ways it does feel like you're 'rebelling' somehow when you hold up some stronger moral principles and standards. When I used to do that. I was trying to be what I wanted most people to be like, but I felt like a massive outsider and lone wolf type person given that so few people did the same. I let that go, because it's not going to make any difference to anyone except me. And I'm happier not worrying over such things - instead a simple moral code of "don't be a cunt" is fine. But yeah, …
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 06:39 PM
1

Hear hear! It doesn't have to just be something you have for a few fleeting years when you're young. When you're young you likely don't have the money, knowledge and confidence to live out a dream or two anyway. What mostly ends that freedom? Marriage, kids etc. The LifeScript. A script that conveniently results in you spending (what would otherwise be the best) two decades of your life slaving away. Screw that script, guard your freedom, and you'll be able to enjoy being free during the best pa…
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 03:40 PM
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Yeah this is natural/normal. It won't hurt so much if you control your feelings well. Don't love a girlfriend, because your love is much stronger and more lasting than female love. Like her, enjoy being with her, get turned on by her, whatever you want - but don't love her anymore than she loves you. Conditionally and temporarily at most, in other words. This is genuinely very difficult and you're fighting your own nature to an extent. But it's the second best way to deal with and protect agains…
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 03:25 PM
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Exactly, they're not going to donate it to femen or anything. And I doubt that many prostitutes are feminists, not of the man-hating neo-prude kind (the mainstream type you see in the media spouting hate) anyway.
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 02:25 PM
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Number 1 most common, and most costly, mistake
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 02:20 PM
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I meant making her feel strong emotions rather than feeling them yourself - I agree with what you say.
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 08:10 AM
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Yeah, the men with some intact balls in Britain do indeed still say stuff like that, but in a subtly-different jokier way IME. Like you can hear it's not actually the case, and especially see it in the wife/gf if she's actually there too. When she has his nuts she gives a smug cocky expression, even just slightly. When he has her fanny she gives a flattered flirty look. Typically British that no one wants to stand out much so the non-cucked men still jokingly act cucked lol.
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 02:27 AM
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Yep there's a lot more to inheritance than just genes. There's DNA and histone modifications, mitochondrial DNA and possibly some protein-based inheritance from the mother. Your son's mother's dad has quite some influence on this. Then there's gestation (very important but overlooked) and then upbringing. Which are heritable in that they perpetuate, a person is more likely to bring up a child in a similar way to how they were bought up, than to bring them up a significantly different way.
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 02:16 AM
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This. They hate losing control but love not having it to begin with. And the hatefulness is interesting. If a woman 'hates' you it often means she likes you (you sexually frustrate her) unless it's clearly genuine hate. Much deeper than that though, women seem to have a love-hate type thing where their emotions are interconnected and they derive positive feelings from negative emotions. Any strong emotion gets them horny too. The way women seek out things to get upset/angry about just goes to sh…
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 01:49 AM
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Wow that's actually incredible
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 01:24 AM
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Yeah, the whole world looking up to America is really not a good thing right now. And the whole SJWism has the same pattern too: Start in America -> Spread intra-culturally -> Europe adopts it and goes even more fanatical with it -> Spreads unpredictably to completely different (even opposed) cultures. A woman, for example Chinese, sees the huge benefit western women get with little effort and wants it too. In 'non-western' (and to a much lesser extent European, compared to American) cultures wo…
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 01:20 AM
2

Never got this equal split stuff. Unless you paid in fairly equally then why split equally? If women generally earned more than men, they'd be losing out and it would soon be changed.
/r/MGTOW28/10/16 01:02 AM
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Exactly, every birth is a choice - for the mother. Not so much for the father, if he even is the father. But for the mother, there are 10 types of contraception, the emergency pill, abortion and adoption. Let alone the choice of who you have sex with - there wouldn't be nearly as many single mothers if women only had unprotected sex in stable-ish relationships, or even just only keeping the babies from such relationships. Sounds far-fetched now right? Well that last bit is exactly what women use…
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 05:29 PM
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It seems that's the only way to have women (as a group / in general) be responsible and civilised. We've removed all the social control, they're now free to do whatever they like from a societal point of view. On the contrary, society even provides a myriad of ready-made excuses for women's bad behaviour (cheating, willful single motherhood, divorce as a means of self-enrichment, big-time sluttery etc). It excuses these things rather than discouraging them (for women, try using those excuses if …
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 05:24 PM
1

I dunno... Nastiest woman is a tough competition to enter. It's like the 'largest aircraft carrier', 'fastest orbital rocket', 'wettest ocean' medals.
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 05:07 PM
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That makes sense to me, at least intuitively. Since many women have their looks allowing them an easier ride when they're that age, but men don't really get easy rides even if their looks are outstandingly good. Also, I reckon sex plays a part too. It does seem true (IME) that men's attractiveness to women slowly increases until around 30 where it levels off and then slowly decreases. Women's rockets up until about 20, stays for ~10 years, then plummets like a stone. That must be harsh, it's cal…
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 04:57 PM
1

Exactly what I thought when I first saw it last night. This kinda thing always backfires, yet those who do it never learn.
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 11:23 AM
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Yeah me neither. Though, there's a class element to Trump (and all the anti-elite movements, many of which are right-wing nowadays). That class element can easily be understood by an old-school leftist. Many old-school leftists (not that there are many left anymore) in the UK supported Brexit, based off some class thing, while the educated newer 'liberal' left decided they were all just waycists. An old leftist is very different to a modern leftist basically.
/r/MGTOW26/10/16 01:32 PM
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It's interesting that there's a positive correlation between slutwalk and MGTOW searches by country. It's almost like feminism drives men away from women, who would have thought? The conspiracy theories about feminism being a deliberate tool to 'divide and conquer' by separating men and women and/or lower birthrates by the same mechanism are, IMO, far-fetched though. IMO, feminism is just women advancing their self-interest, as MGTOW is just men looking out for ours. But there's certainly a tren…
/r/MGTOW26/10/16 01:28 PM
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You'd think a lesbian would know better, since if they both lay there and take it then nothing will happen lol.
/r/MGTOW26/10/16 10:17 AM
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I think they're better at manipulation than western women on average. They're less lazy at it, putting more effort into 'seducing' and/or controlling men. This can make them seem better to the untrained eye, but if you want to stay safe with women (which is pretty much the main thing for mgtow) then they're more dangerous. Because they're not nicer than western women, they're simply better at acting nice. Western women seem to put tons of effort into their appearance, taking hours to put makeup …
/r/MGTOW26/10/16 10:15 AM
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Same as Brad Pitt. There is clearly no amount of alpha/high-status/success/looks that can stop a woman being awalt. That's the thing about TRP and marriedredpill especially. You can get women quicker/easier and/or get better ones but you can't somehow make them behave. IMO, a woman knows she always has the power, she lets the guy feel like he has the power if she really likes him. It's some weird game they play.
/r/MGTOW25/10/16 11:36 AM
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The woman not putting a fair amount of effort in has been the main cause of dissatisfaction for me in relationships. I only really wanted them to repay me for my effort, but they give up as soon as they get comfortable.
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 04:03 PM
1

So women do come from hell after all then, it's settled. Mars on the other hand is cool and calm.
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 03:52 PM
1

I think it's in case we get taken down off reddit?
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 02:48 PM
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They're addictive as fuck, just like sex seems to be. The time and energy some men dedicate to getting sex is similar to big-time addicts. I don't think it would be possible to invent a drug that did that without it being highly addictive. The only 'safe' option would be something that just surpresses sexual urges so you don't really think about it. Not the same thing as sexual gratification though.
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 02:46 PM
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And I see the primary thing as being living life on your own terms. Not being dictated to by expectations of society, women, other men etc etc.
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 02:25 PM
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Well, those views are more extreme than mine, and they somewhat contradict each other. Logic, in the form of planning, is required for manipulativeness. I don't think women are incapable of logic and reason at all, but they often let their feelings override it. What I think is that: Modern western women have entitled attitudes and inflated egos. Women are physically/sexually attracted to (signs of) wealth, whether they consciously know it or not. And they do sometimes go into relationships prima…
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 11:04 AM
2

Well estrogen causes weight (especially fat) loss and testosterone causes weight (especially muscle) gain.
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 10:25 AM
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Human nature is animalistic and uncaring. But messing with human nature is much worse. Trying to change or remove elements of human nature is often a disaster that never works how it's supposed to anyway. We shouldn't try to change our nature, but to work with it and guide it in the right direction. The difference between this religious brainwashing and things like slut-shaming is that this actually tries to alter someone's nature and instincts, which is deeply harmful. Things like slut-shaming …
/r/MGTOW24/10/16 12:01 AM
2

Indeed, same reason why it's very hard to prove you didn't rape someone (or didn't commit any crime for that matter) and therefore why presumption of innocence is a thing. Maybe a good counter-argument for when people promote presumption of guilt in sexual crimes. Ask them to prove they didn't have sex with <insert random person they know>, let alone prove they didn't rape said person. It won't convince a fanatical man-hater, but it'll be fun to see the response and confusion on their face as th…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 09:58 PM
6

In some places a marriage is automatically void if not consummated before a certain cutoff. And it's not the same as divorce, because in such cases the marriage is void anyway and legally didn't happen. I don't know how you'd prove such a thing though.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 06:12 PM
2

"Too big to fail" When really, it needs to be 'reset' in some way, and having a failure or near-failure is one way to do it. Failure isn't a bad thing, in fact it's often a good thing, in the long term.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 04:53 PM
2

Yeah that's true. I did think of that as I was posting it. There are already people who pay for porn site subscriptions and then post the vids on free sites and file-sharing sites. I think they just banned porn in Russia, so we can see how that works out (probably completely ineffectual but a political move to keep women and the religious right happy. A bit like the prohibition of drugs, but even less successful - as porn is digital and so can be copied infinitely and distributed without any phy…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 04:38 PM
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This is very true IMO, and a big reason MGTOW is a better solution than TRP. Women have so many options, options that are literally flinging themselves at them, that they just don't know what to do. It's hard to decide when you've got a lot of choices. And women aren't as good as men at making decisions anyway, and even we struggle to pick something off a menu when it has many tasty-sounding options on it. They tend to go for trying a bit of each type thing, not sticking with the same option for…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 04:31 PM
2

Yeah - less mental health problems (so less spending on them), less crime and antisocial behaviour (so less spending on police and jails), better educational and employment outcomes for the next generation (so less welfare needed in future). Those will all add up significantly. I've come to the conclusion that the huge amount of single-motherhood is probably one of the greatest problems western countries face. It perpetuates through generations because a single mother's daughter is much more lik…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 04:20 PM
2

I love RGE
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 02:06 PM
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If porn gets aggressively banned, I'd expect my collection will be worth a fair bit of money. So go ahead feminists, then I can make money selling USB drives full of porn. Seriously though, at what point do women just think "well then, I'll get better at sex and put more effort in". I'm sure some women do think this, and in some cultures it's more normal/common for women to be more competitive and work on sexual skills a bit. But these feminist types, they cannot be bothered to do anything! And …
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 11:41 AM
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About your second paragraph. That's a good observation, and much of general society seems to think that too (about sex drives). It's a big cultural myth though because, even if it is true, it's a small effect and only an on average effect. If we exclude married women, then many women I know are actually sex-crazed and would be considered total pervs if they were men. This might just be small sample size coincidence though. But yeah, most women who are in relationships they actually want to be in…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 11:21 AM
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Because they're not fighting for gender equality at all. It's just a flimsy cover story at this point.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 10:31 AM
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Yeah, they have a big incentive to learn to fuck better and to keep it up. Also they have the practice of a total slut but without the... well... being a total slut. Normally, it's hard to find a woman who has put the effort in to learn how to impress. They just have less incentive to do so than men have. They're not going to be shamed for not being amazing. Especially for very hot women. When they are good, they often get lazy over time and get worse too. So a prostitute is the best chance by f…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 01:32 AM
2

This would be the best single technological development for men, and society as a whole, of the foreseeable future. It will be revolutionary if it is good enough (decently efficacious AND tolerable) and enough men use it. With the current re-awakening being likely to continue, many many men will be lining up to get this. I'd even sign up for clinical trials for free. It would be the missing second half of the sexual revolution, men would have control over their own reproduction. Without the irre…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 01:02 AM
1

Wow that's a good way to put it! And, for those in their early adulthood, we've seen many/most of our parent's generation badly hurt by women too. Which really drives home the message. Since nobody I know who's my age is married, let alone divorced, we have to look at our parent's generation and extrapolate. Things are bad for them - 40-50% divorce rates and loads of cheating and heartache. And they're getting worse fast. So if we get married, we can expect ~80% divorce and near-universal infide…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 12:42 AM
2

That's maybe why you don't get sex if you give out too much attention and money for free. They got what they wanted anyway. Like giving out a product before your customer has paid - so in many cases they just keep the product and never pay you.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 12:28 AM
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A lot less money than you'd have to earn to stand a decent chance of getting those kind of women unless you're 8+ looks and charisma. And an awful lot less money than you can lose in divorce with any woman. I've never hired a prostitute but I really do see the desire, it is the best way to get sex based purely on rational cost/benefit analysis. Hottest most experienced girls for the least investment and risk.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 12:22 AM
4

No hair looks way better than half-bald for most men. It looks manly as opposed to old. I never understood why many guys keep the monk hair look instead of shaving it off.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 10:17 PM
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Yeah exactly, they're rarer than finding gold in human excrement. Relatively for her age, yeah sure maybe. But there's a huge sex ratio imbalance in Russia, and also what men are gonna want to marry at such an age? Single 45+ men have probably learnt not to get married, or feel they're too old, or because of the sex ratio and the fact that "men age like wine, women like milk" can still get younger women.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 09:00 PM
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Attractive, healthy looking... 51 year old... Wtf? It's generally thought that western women visibly age the slowest, or age in a less unnatractive way. And there are almost no women of that age who are remotely attractive, not even that many who are healthy looking. So I think this is probably some hamstering there. I really doubt she's attractive anymore. Her reluctance to 'settle' into a serious relationship before she became old is part of the problem, if she was attractive once upon a time.…
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:49 PM
1

Yeah but I meant everyday stuff like carrying a box of paper across an office. Men are are definitely much more suited to physically demanding jobs on average, no one with a brain denies that haha.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:27 PM
2

Yeah I doubted it for ages myself, thought "nah that's an exaggeration" etc. But it's fairly noticeable and consistent, not in-your-face-undeniably-obvious but still hard to ignore IME.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:22 PM
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Yeah, their hormones aren't going to allow them to get big manly arms (which is what they mostly mean by big I think) without loads more time than it takes men - and it takes men loads of time. Female sex hormones divert mass to the lower body. And since male sex hormones increase muscle growth, it's going to take even longer to get big muscles without male hormones.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:12 PM
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I think, in everyday situations like lifting things and carrying things, women are lazy rather than weak. The strength difference shouldn't make much difference except when you're lifting something close to your max ability. Most physical stuff we do, in fact nearly all of it aside from workouts, is not even close to our max abilities.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:58 AM
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Yeah they think it's easy to get big muscles. No it's way harder than getting toned, which is what most women want to achieve. Some initial improvements are fast, fat gets trimmed off quick-ish. But to have big bodybuilder type muscles, even just to the point of making a woman look too manly and unnatractive, takes a very long time and shit ton of effort. They want this from men, and think it's easy enough that they could do it by accident. They have no clue haha
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:52 AM
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Because most guys have some morals and won't want to hurt another guy by fucking his girl. But women are unencumbered by this, and being 'taken' makes a man more attractive to them.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 02:11 AM
1

That's interesting thanks. I stand corrected on that and will look into it. Yeah rock music is definitely dopamine intense, it's heard in its powerfulness. The drugs which increase dopamine the most (and the most selectively) are meth and cocaine, so those would be the analogues to compare when seeing how dopamine affects people. L-DOPA / Parkinson's medication even moreso as they're more direct and don't (to my knowledge) have strong 'drug-like' effects which would confound things. I would susp…
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 01:42 AM
1

That's what TRP used to teach. It's more MGTOW than PUA though. They said "if you want women, forget about them. Make your life great, do it for yourself. When they see it they'll want a part of it and will present themselves." that's very true IMO. Another one was "women are icing on your cake at most. Make the cake as good as possible. Icing on its own or on a shitty cake is nasty. A good cake is fine without icing too. The icing wants to become part of the best cake it can find." Loads of goo…
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 01:27 AM
1

Just felt like expanding on this since it is something (biochemisty and neuroscience) that I actually know a fair bit about for once. I don't think dopamine drives creativity, that is much more complex and involves communication between different parts of the brain, which will use various different neurotransmitters. Serotonin is likely much more involved, with most strong hallucinogens acting on the serotonin system. But dopamine does give energy and motivation. It could be the difference betwe…
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 01:17 AM
2

But women are highly influenced by the talk of celebrities. Her talk is better than no talk. Doesn't even matter if it's fake, the people reading it won't know.
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 12:42 AM
1

The important thing is to separate nationalism - a type of international politics that approves of the separate existence and sovereignty of nation states, opposed to globalism which seeks the opposite - and patriotism. Nationalism in the most broad sense means wanting to have the world formed of separate and independent countries. Internationalism/Globalism wants semi-separate or non-separate co-dependent countries with supranational institutions. Patriotism is rather stupid in many cases, the …
/r/MGTOW22/10/16 12:34 AM
1

I think you're onto something there, but I've only got instinctual feelings and vague observations to back it up. It would make sense that people would try to 'even out' their offspring, compensating for their possible weaknesses by breeding with someone who is strong in those areas they're least able in. Generally, things cause trouble when they deviate too much from an ideal middle of some kind. In biology that is the case at least (homeostasis and all that). And social too - two highly domina…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 11:17 PM
1

Same with white men and non-white women. And black men with non-black women.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 11:08 PM
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They don't use the contraception we give them it seems. Either they don't know how (because it's entirely new to them and given little explanation) or they choose not to.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 11:04 PM
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Wise idea to learn to hunt, grow and fish in the next decade or two, before this happens.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 11:02 PM
2

As I wrote above, the last bit of an Empire to fall is it's culture. When bits of the empire break off (like America from the British), they keep the vast majority of the culture. Eventually another culture replaces it and this is the last bit of the falling of an Empire. Rome lived on in culture for hundreds of years but was replaced by Medieval European Christianity. Islam looks poised to do this in the long-term. It may well be what replaces the still-strong British cultural influence in the …
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 11:01 PM
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In some ways the falling of Western civilization is the final stages of the British Empire's collapse. Like with Rome, the tribes who got independence from the empire kept many of its traditions and systems, it sort-of lived on. The USA, Canada, India, Australia, Singapore, South Africa etc still keep a lot of British elements. Especially the western ones. Most of Western civilization is the direct evolution of British civilisation and to a lesser extent other Imperial European powers. The empir…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 10:54 PM
2

Glad you're happy man. This sounds like you meant to post it to nofap though? I like porn and wanking, but being a curious scientific type I'd like to do an experiment. Since I suspect it's very individual (and somewhat subjective) I'll give it a go myself. Not 110 days though, I'm not a fucking monk lol. I've always been worried that I'd get stupidly horny and that would lead me into trouble with girls or make me a bitch. How have you found that part? Don't like being too horny that's for sure.…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 10:40 PM
1

Yeah it's a lot rarer. Politicians (and the media) lie to everyone, as do many companies like you said. But paternity fraud is thought to be ~10% and is much more serious/damaging. I wonder if secret/underground paternity tests could become a thing in places where it needs mother's consent? Maybe they already are a thing and I just haven't heard of it. Of course, the government's reaction would be to try and shut them down, rather than admit it's the sign of a problem and try to address the prob…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 10:33 PM
1

The most striking feature of the modern 'liberal' is how very illiberal he or she is
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 10:23 PM
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Women support more authoritarianism on the whole (big gov). That could backfire big time like you said, in the event the government starts bossing them around too. Which it will eventually, political types love power.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 10:21 PM
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Wow dude that's low. Poor farmers offing themselves and all she can think about it her own silly religion... oops I mean ideology. How brainwashed indeed.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 10:18 PM
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I see it as this: Most men want two things from a woman, decent sex and being cared about / shown some love. If you behave like these 'best boyfriends', most women won't give you either of those things (unless you happen to be very good looking or rich perhaps). So why would we? We give them exactly what they ask for but get nothing we ask for. No thanks, not for me. I'm not an asshole/jerk and won't ever be, but I'll never act like a worshipping doormat either, it gets you nowhere. Every friend…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 10:16 PM
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I couldn't agree more with what you just said, and very well said too!
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 10:00 PM
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Good comment! That's some deep stuff. I'll enforce boundaries and standards by leaving. And if it's a case of "he won't let me use him as a doormat so I'll go to the next guy and see if he will. I do have 5 guys lined up anyway." then so what? She can go. That's the key. The only power us men have now is leaving. And many/most men won't leave.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 09:59 PM
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A real concern yeah. The preachy feminist indoctrination does however turn a minority fervently against it. Feminists are anti-feminists best advertisement IMO. And IME the careless shallow hypergamousness of the female students as a whole can and does make a minority of the male students rather red-pilled.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 08:19 PM
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Well at least it kept them out the courts to an extent. Remeber the judiciary is the most important part of a legal system. It seems many in the US judiciary are principled and tough, they've published things before going against SJWism. Not so much for the western Europeans though I'm afraid. Common Purpose progressive clowns get injected into positions of power in the judiciary, police, civil service etc in the UK. But my point is that every small loss for them is a small victory for us. I hav…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 04:24 PM
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I agree, but I'd add that in the passive scenario it is entirely the man doing it and not the woman. Men nowadays just aren't what they seem to have been in the not-too-distant past. These representations are probably idealised and exaggerated so we can't go off them entirely, but from older family members it really does seem to be the case. Many men neglect their friends and even family for their gfs/wives. That's a real shame but it's what's happening. I'm starting to think that what we need m…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 04:10 PM
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Hahaha If 'best boyfriends' were treated as such by their gfs, I would still be one lol. But 'best boyfriends' means "best servants" to most women. The men get used and their needs ignored because they don't demand anything in return, and the women see their servitude as desperate neediness rather than the caringness it actually is (in many cases, in some cases it actually is desperate neediness). We know that if you still want decent sex, love, and niceness from a woman (I.e. reciprocity) you m…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 03:53 PM
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Thanks :) And yeah, anything is better than nothing, that's how I see it. They've never been told no once in recent times!
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 03:29 PM
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He chose the final option, which was the only decent one there.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 03:27 PM
2

I think one way to 'fix' marriage and divorce is to have it have no financial consequences. People enter and leave how they entered.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 03:23 PM
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How one can be so clever yet sleepwalk into the same trap so many times is beyond me. "even wild animals do not fall into the same trap twice"
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 03:18 PM
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Women always get bored eventually, so this is why marriage is dead.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 03:16 PM
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No one with unbreakable principles, strong morals and good character can get into the political system. They won't make it past local councillor if they don't lie and cheat, take bribes etc. Trump has just sidestepped in off his own money so hasn't gone in the normal way. That said, Trump does not have those strong morals either. He has proven that in his business. But you don't have to be perfect is what I'm saying. All he has to do is say "no!" when the SJWs demand their next few concessions. …
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 03:12 PM
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Hi oldredder. I was writing my response to someone who is clearly not of the super-confident self-respecting mindset that does that naturally. I'm in the middle so i move between both and know what they feel like. If you don't do it unconsciously, you need to do it consciously. Either 1) you're just instinctively 'beta' because of genes, environment and/or upbringing (very basic research on primates indicates it is mostly upbringing and situational). Or 2) You aren't 'beta' naturally but you're …
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 03:09 PM
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I don't seem to get those side effects, so I can't say from personal experience. But I have a crappy appetite anyway, so I try to get many calories (especially protein) in in as little volume of food as possible. The opposite to a diet lol, because I'm trying to gain weight. Physical exercise to work up some appetite may help, as long as it doesn't burn more calories than your taking in. As for bowels, try IBS medication in low doses on and off. Hyoscine butylbromide. One 2mg dose of loperamide …
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 03:00 PM
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Maybe that's why we excuse others, we subconsciously know we may do the same thing ourselves so we stick up for others who do it.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 02:52 PM
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Yep I agree, and those things aren't natural. But neither is MGTOW. Doesn't make it bad! Good/Bad and Natural/Artificial have no connection. That's why the "it's organic so it's good!" people make me laugh. But social engineering that doesn't account for human nature is bad. It's necessary to consider "how will this interact with human nature/biology/psychology" when trying to do such things. But the ideologues don't do this, and their decades of social engineering has created a runaway slippery…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 02:47 PM
1

Yep. Political establishments and systems across much of the west have become Neo-cons vs progressives. They need shaking up. We need some more libertarian types to stop the march towards totalitarianism. Most men can handle freedom and benefit from it. Excessive government benefits the stupid and corrupt. Excessive wealth redistribution benefits women. Both these things (which we've had for decades now) take away men's freedom and money.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 02:39 PM
2

The right look better because they didn't cause this mess. Most of the current messes of the western world was caused by progressives, globalists, corporate socialists, greens, SJWs, feminists, other leftists etc. They've been in power (control of most of the media, schools etc, generally controlling the 'zeitgeist', not just the machinery of government) for nearly three decades. That doesn't mean that a conservative is going to change that or get us out of the mess, or even that they can do so.…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 02:33 PM
1

Good stuff. 100 at bed and 100 in the morning is what I recommend. Make sure its separated from meals by at least an hour or it will get out-competed for brain access by the protein in the food. Its thought that more serotonin makes you more self-assured, confident and happy. St John's Wort is an alternative, but more difficult (side effects, interactions, more expensive). Taking both could be dangerous so one or the other.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 12:45 PM
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Yep, something's off with your chemicals if there's nothing majorly wrong in your life. Take a hard look at your life, are there big holes or problems? If so, women will not fix them, I'm sorry. Loads of guys think this, but IME women provide occasional distraction at best. Their manipulation makes things worse in the long term, and you have to be emotionally strong and healthy to safely have a relationship in the first place! If you're in a mess she'll walk all over you. After being single for …
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 12:40 PM
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As I see it, the bit that makes you 'going your own way' or not is: Thing is, I’m not willing to compromise on my big van trip plans, or pretty much anything else You've got 'your way' and you're not gonna let it go for some woman. That's great, and IMO you'll thank yourself for it big time. But MGTOW is a bit more/further than that and includes doing (or not doing) certain things to protect and maintain your freedom to do what you want to. Marriage takes away your freedom by holding your wealth…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 12:20 PM
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Feminists hate the few women who occasionally go out of their way to return some displays of care to their men. I get the feeling that these nasty feminists want all men to feel worthless. Anything a woman does to please a man pisses them off. In fact, anything that men like (even when it doesn't involve a woman putting in a shred of effort, or doesn't involve a woman at all) pisses them off. And they're spreading to the Indian subcontinent like mad at the moment, they're going full bitchfest an…
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 10:42 AM
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That's true but so is MGTOW. Its nature to produce offspring. The thing about humans (especially men) is that our higher brains are powerful enough to go against our nature if we choose.
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 03:12 PM
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In not nearly as clever as you but I got to see a lot of women's shit early in life through chance (some would say bad luck but I think it's good). My Mum, her friends, teachers, mums of my friends etc. Just being observant and fairly open-minded allowed me to see how much they lied and I thought and accepted quickly that women were not the angels BPers think. I realised they were in fact morally worse than men, not better like they're portrayed. That was all before I'd heard of any red pill stu…
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 03:05 PM
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Eastern religions are trendy in the west with those who know little about them. Metropolitain types, you know. While most mainstream sects of religions are tradcon-like and quite authoritarian, antithetical to MGTOW ideas, Buddhism seems quite popular here and compatible with MGTOW ideas. Especially now that many Christian groups have been pussified (the Anglican Church's leadership is shocking in this regard, current Pope pretty bad too), MGTOW with a religious bent but not following any partic…
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 02:19 PM
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I think it's more that they change their rules constantly to suit them (rationalisation/justification). Which does kinda mean they don't follow them, because they just change them or add exceptions in their mind. "It's OK I cheated because my husband shouted at me" etc. Like a country that has a constitution but is always tagging more amendments onto it whenever it suits the government. Of course, such a constitution would quickly become quite meaningless, as do the self-applied morals of most w…
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 02:01 PM
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In much of western Europe, Muslims are currently top of the SJW/PC "victimhood ladder" so they must be protected above all. And, I think, because of terrorism, the government are pretty terrified of them and pander to them - not wanting to encourage an attack. The media and other elements of the public seem to also feel this way. And, perhaps most importantly, those white girls were/are poor. In the UK establishment's eyes they're just white trash scum who are probably racists anyway. The lowest…
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 10:14 AM
1

Same but at least we know we're doing it and we can try to prepare if it's a genuine fear.
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 09:50 AM
2

Yeah and upper legs too, they do a lot of things
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 09:49 AM
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High heels serve a similar purpose- changing the posture so the butt is tilted outwards and upwards. Which is what many female mammals do when they are horny and/or fertile. It's called lordosis. Not the only purpose but the main one. Lots of things women do are to make her seem sexually available subtly, without explicitly doing so. It is to tease men for attention I think. Attention is food for most women
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 12:58 AM
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Yep so true. That's why excessive commitment ruins relationships. The girl has the commitment she wanted and so, for a large proportion of women, she stops giving a shit and puts no effort in past that point. Either not knowing or not caring that it takes both parties to put some effort in to keep a relationship decent, she then blames it all on the dude. I've seen this a lot. Suddenly (often just past the honeymoon period after getting married or even a relationship becoming serious/committed) …
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 12:50 AM
2

A semi wouldn't wouldn't even touch the sides
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 12:10 AM
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I may well be wrong, but I think they are actually sexually attracted to money too - well, the power it represents rather than the actual money. That's what it seems like to me but its just observation.
/r/MGTOW20/10/16 12:02 AM
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Yeah that's the best way, you're using it for planning of some sort instead of just ignoring it. Once you have a good plan of what to do you don't worry half as much IME. A lot of worrying comes from not knowing what to do.
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 07:08 PM
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Excessive 'bling' and flashiness can be a sign of hollow character and a means of covering up uninterestingness or worse. In men and women alike yep. Not saying it always is, but that's why people get suspicious of people covered in shiny metal IMO.
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 06:45 PM
2

Identity theft and fraud at the very least
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 06:42 PM
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It's very true that the inside of a woman is like a raging storm. Many men have this too, but the men who've properly learnt how to be... well... men inside, they have built a nice warm tent. Or they've tamed the storm completely. Women are in awe of that because it's almost impossible for them to do the same. So they want a man who can tame storms to tame theirs. They can sense this through seeing who the men are who remain calm (externally at least) under almost any situation. And the ones who…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 06:34 PM
1

No they care a lot about money - probably moreso than anything else IME. Looks second at most. Then status, charm, game n' frame, list is endless. And many girls want a guy who's high on all counts to be truly satisfied. A near-impossible goal that leaves them jaded most of the time. Of course they're not all the same, but they either want the world or they're settling, there doesn't seem much middle ground.
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 06:20 PM
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They often prefer to distract themselves rather than prepare. I think many men do too, it's not necessarily a sex thing. If you're scared of something genuine/real that's approaching, get ready for it. Have a well-thought-out plan. Fear serves a purpose, to prepare you for things. Having said that, if someone really close to me was terminally ill like that I'd be distracting myself like all hell and I wouldn't want to prepare, perhaps in the hope it might not happen. But it doesn't sound like sh…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 06:06 PM
1

That is kinda true. Girls don't seem to mind fat as much, because they're relatively more interested in non-physical stuff (esp money). And the right kind and quantity of fat on a guy can look reasonably similar to muscle and make him just look bulkier/stronger which women tend to like. But actual obesity always looks bad IMO, I'm more talking about mild-moderate overweigtness here. One study I read ages ago found that the most attractive BMI for men was around 23/24 (pretty bulky, overweight is…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 05:58 PM
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Don't marry a pretty 21 year old. Just don't marry. Anyone. But yeah, a woman who's way younger and/or hotter than you is probably out for your money. A woman who thinks she's out of your league (even if she's not, because many women think they're way better wives/gfs than they actually are) will look down on you and treat you badly most of the time. The problem is, you'd probably have to go a few notches below yourself to find many women who don't think that, and that just ain't worth it.
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 05:48 PM
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The world is, sadly, full of miserable control freaks who can't just agree to disagree or leave people be. No matter what you're doing, no matter how inconsequential it is to everyone else, there's always some twat who wants to make you do what they want instead. Just like with video games (all entertainment media actualy) there are busybodies with too much time on their hands and a nasty controlling streak, who will say "no that's sexist, no that's violent, no I don't agree with the portrayal o…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 05:39 PM
3

Male genitalia without pubes looks weird as fuck, and that's according to some women not me. I had a male friend with no pubes (I didn't look I heard from his gf) and his gf used to go on about how weird and unmanly she thought it was. When women moan about shaving they don't realise body hair is masculine, which is why they look better without it and we look better with a certain amount of it. It's quite obvious but they still miss it sometimes, bless 'em. That said, any guy can shave if he wan…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 02:39 PM
1

If life had a character creation bit at the start, who wouldn't be an attractive woman? It's like playing with cheats enabled. I'd want to keep most of my male brain for sure, and if that wasn't possible then I'd have to be a man instead though. Modern life in the west is better for women, simple. I used to think that was just true for the more attractive 50% of women, but I think it's pretty much all women. They still get many of their advantages (legal, corporate, educational) regardless of ho…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 02:30 PM
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Yeah, if they know what the acronyms mean they'll likely disregard any good points you made because they associate them with bad shit (I've even heard people say that TRP is about rape - wtf?). But put softly and dispassionately, with some real-life examples, many men and even more women will agree with the points as true IME. Or in some cases, someone will say RP type stuff they got from real life and having no idea about the internet community of men's stuff. Especially older and/or more exper…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 09:13 AM
3

If you act very poor, it's a great way to avoid women entirely!
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 09:01 AM
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Tried that yesterday. Thing is they can't tell you're ignoring them because they're facing the wrong way. A well-assed (or just full-of-herself) girl can probably feel your eyeballs prodding her buttcheeks because that's what she's so used to and came to expect. Even if you're studying the local architecture and have no interest in her buns, in her mind you're perving on her because it makes her feel sexy to think that. Later today it'll be time to up the face-first ignoring to the max and see w…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 08:28 AM
1

Ultimately, nothing works for everyone. When people think they've got the one solution for everyone's problems and push it I'm people, it may work really well for them, but may even do the opposite for someone else. Personally I think nofap for such long time periods would make me thirsty and desperate, which are things I'm not at all naturally and I also try to make sure I never am. Because it increases your chances of making bad decisions with women, thinking less with your brain and more with…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 08:14 AM
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I think he means it greatly reduced your desire for them in the first place, so it's much easier to say no.
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 08:03 AM
4

Gary Orsum made a similar joke. I recommend you check out his YT channel as it can be quite funny :)
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 02:08 AM
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Same, although the same happens in reverse sometimes it's rarer IME. And usually there's money/charm/status involved in some way. But there's a fair lot of decent-looking men with decent personalities being with relatively fat and unpleasant girls. The market is that skewed atm, with so many desperate thirsty guys and many of the younger better-looking girls either 1) Ignoring relationships in favour of studying/career-building. building This turns out to be very hard and unfulfilling, they then…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 02:05 AM
1

Having had a thin woman, a fat woman, and been single for long periods, I'd much rather be celibate than bang a fat woman.
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 01:42 AM
1

Haha never heard that but it's good :)
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 01:29 AM
3

IMO younger women = more emotional and much more crazy to a sometimes dangerous extent. Older women = much more bitter and nasty. Also more hypergamous because they don't realise how much their sex value has dropped. Obviously that's very generalised and only based on the people I know. I think younger women are nicer overall, older women are too often bitter and have victim complexes. But that might just be my dick talking. They're definitely more crazy though and can stress you out big time or…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 01:20 AM
2

I wonder how many women (and how many men too) get disappointed when they find this out. I knew it long before I first had sex, from watching so much amateur porn lol.
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 12:44 AM
2

It's basic and transparent manipulation. Knock his ego down, it's like negging but more sophisticated. Women do this all the time IME. And outside of dating too, some women do it to every man they see (only close family members excepted). Her version of this is rather transparent and unsophisticated though, I reckon she's not a great manipulator (for a woman... she'd still be a decent one if she was a man).
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 12:25 AM
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This. She'd still think she's better than him. Any man is still a man, and women like her see men as little more than accessories. One of the whole main points of the "red pill" is that women see men in utilitarian terms, and judge them on how much they can use them (how much money has he got, how wet does he make her, how happy does he make her, how much does he increase (or decrease) her status etc etc). Hence the shaming language and talking down to him. Because to her he is there to please h…
/r/MGTOW19/10/16 12:20 AM
1

I call troll here. I know there are plenty of delusional fat chicks, but they're neither as delusional or as fat as this IME. This is batshit.
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 10:17 PM
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Relevant username haha
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 10:14 PM
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University/College is seen as a IRL dating website by a fair amount of women IMO. Go to party and have fun, whilst trying to bag a guy doing a tough subject who has a decent chance of earning lots later in life. Medical students beware - the most common thing I've heard is trying to lock down a trainee doctor for $$$.
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 10:08 PM
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All in the name of ending (insert group here)-ism, ironically.
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 10:04 PM
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Wow that was deep and so true. Despite the fact so many people use the words interchangeably, they're almost opposites. And actual sluts are still quite rare - whores are what we have unprecedented loads of.
/r/MGTOW18/10/16 10:02 PM
2

It's happening now. It's the weird 'hanging' as a stock bubble starts to waver. Don't think it'll make women any nicer though, if anything they'll get bitter and disappointed.
/r/MGTOW17/10/16 11:37 PM
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The likely Islamisation of the west will change that. It'll be like smashing a spoilt kid's console up and slapping him round the face with it. Western women will be so shocked and mindfucked I honestly can't imagine what it'll be like for them. Keep an eye out for Germany to see what happens, it's way ahead of any other country now. This is not a good thing, because our freedoms will be trampled on and countries run into the ground. And our women need to have their huge egos knocked down but th…
/r/MGTOW16/10/16 09:33 AM
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Thats why I said report instead of prosecute. As long as you file a report within the time limit then it's fine for police to wait for more evidence and prosecute years later if they need to.
/r/MensRights15/10/16 12:08 PM
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IMO, something like 2 years max for an adult to file a complaint, or 4 years max after becoming an adult (so about 22) for someone who was a minor at the time to make a complaint. This isn't to make it more difficult to do so, 2 years is ample time. It's because memories become foggy and evidence gets destroyed over time. It's also because if you weren't bothered enough to report it nearer the time, it doesn't seem right to suddenly bring it up decades on. No trial should be settled purely on th…
/r/MensRights15/10/16 11:28 AM
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The more high-profile the better, it will wake unaware people up to the commonality of false sexual accusations and is much more likely to provoke a response. Also, if a politician is falsely accused and then gains significant power, they might actually do something about the situation. I.e. reassert and strengthen the principle of presumed innocence, provide anonimity for the accused unless/until a verdict is reached, encourage the prosecution of provably-false accusers (especially serial ones)…
/r/MensRights15/10/16 10:54 AM
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It's good for mens rights though, because most people instinctively oppose that sort of totalitarianism. This is why people are turning against the current establishment (especially feminism) in rapidly incresing numbers. The way the current ideological groups in power have veered to being authoritarian, especially with regards to such basic things as free speech and thought, has pissed so many people off all over the world. Modern Feminism is the biggest recruiter for its own opponents.
/r/MensRights15/10/16 10:12 AM
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I didn't mean that looks and personality have a remotely equal effect on each other. Personality has a minor influence on women's perception of men's looks, in my experience. So does money, status, and the opinions of her peers. But looks do have a much greater influence than the reverse, I agree. I just don't think it's a one-way thing at all. That there is minor influence on looks perception from personality acts as a feedback loop and solidifies this effect IMO. That's part of why it's such a…
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 09:52 AM
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Yeah this isn't hypergamy. It's a part of human nature. It applies to men also and isn't just looks influencing perceived personality, but also personality influencing perceived looks. We all know how much confidence and class can boost perceived looks in men, and how much niceness, playfulness, and a certain type of craziness can boost it in women. However, I don't think we'd see such a near-perfect correlation between the two if looking only at men's evaluation of women. Still a strong bias bu…
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 01:29 AM
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Exactly! It happens like a slippery slope usually (at least that's how it seems to me). It starts small and you HAVE to draw the line clearly, early and without yielding - because they will test that line and try to nudge it. If you let them disrespect you moderately, they'll move on to disrespecting you severely. They must be convinced that you are completely ready and willing to leave them if they try to take control of you or otherwise treat you badly. While it is not those guys' faults direc…
/r/MGTOW15/10/16 01:01 AM
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It presumes you have an average body composition (muscle, fat and bone percentages). So it is inaccurate for people who have non-average composition. Body fat percentage is the best measure that's easy enough to do. It is more accurate when dealing with "skinny-fat" people, people who do lots of strength training, people with very 'built' bone structure etc. It will correctly identify a well-built gymgoer as being healthier/fitter than a skinnyfat person, while BMI will often show the first pers…
/r/MGTOW14/10/16 12:59 AM
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That's the key IMO. Many of those divorced 50% are probably happier than many of the married. Those who aren't totally broke from the divorce and didn't get mindfucked by their ex's shit leading up to and during the breakup. IME, most marriages are relatively unhappy ones. Relationships almost always have expiry dates, usually quite short, due to the fact that women are never happy for long and aggressively look for problems. A husband's every action is analysed looking for faults. The vast majo…
/r/MGTOW14/10/16 12:31 AM
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Because they're so entitled. Which makes it hilarious when they say men these days are entitled. Seriously, a girl just has to do three things to make her bf/husband think he's well lucky and be very happy with her: 1) Be slightly kind and caring. Don't be a bitch. This is one of the easiest things in the world ffs! 2) Look after her appearance somewhat - just keep her body in normal human shape, wear decent-looking clothes, have a decent hairstyle that suits her face. Done. If her face is below…
/r/MGTOW27/09/16 03:23 PM
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People often want most what they can't have, same applies to women's desire for men (and it seems men's desire for women). The fact you don't want them, and therefore they can't have you... they sense that and come after you to feed their egos. If they can get someone who is unavailable then that's feeding their egos a feast. Why does a ring or a girl under his arm make a guy more attractive? At least in part because it makes him harder to get. Funnily I think the best way to repel women is to s…
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 08:34 PM
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Haha the funniest retort to the PUA reasoning that more attractiveness solves all and somehow protects you against being treated badly by women.
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 01:50 AM
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It's not just them, it's common now. It's like an attempt to save it or something. Of course it never works because it's already too far gone by that point where you really notice it. And it's the complete opposite of what's needed anyway. Often separation and distance is needed, rather than more closeness and commitment. Pushing two people who aren't getting on closer together is madness. But it still seems to happen a lot IME.
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 01:49 AM
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Yeah haha, somehow men can always manipulate women into doing things they'd never do otherwise. Women aren't the manipulative ones, it's men. And responsibility for anything and everything (even the weather!) can somehow be placed on men as individuals or a group using some amazing logic. Hamsters are funny :)
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 01:44 AM
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I agree with your last bit, because that's what humans do. We have a kind of eternal treadmill trying to outdo each other. Everything escalates, with expectations lagging slightly behind reality, quickly catching up with it and then we have to do a bit more to exceed expectations. The extreme body modification thing is a good example of this getting out of hand, as it often does. Relevant to this sub, hypergamy is another example, which is starting to get out of hand too with the young generatio…
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 01:27 AM
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There are a few already existing, they just need something bad enough to happen on YT to drive a mass exodus. As the saying goes, things always get worse before they get better. Or something like that... Like how mass extinctions drive huge pulses of evolution, big bad events online will drive the evolution of new sets of websites. YouTube and Facebook are stagnant monopolies that need breaking up. They haven't been innovating much for quite some time (especially YT) and the quality of their ser…
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 01:04 AM
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I've never heard anyone say "marriage is great" either. I think it might be done simply because "it's the done thing" for men and women. Obviously you also have the financial rewards for women, but that alone doesn't make it 'great', just 'beneficial'. They still don't say it's great, and often seem unhappy with any very-long-term partner (they're so easily bored and always after better, the hedonic treadmill).
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 12:43 AM
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I meant in terms of potential influence over others, not in any other regard. Like I said, they're all mostly not comparable in any other way.
/r/MGTOW22/09/16 12:21 AM
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Exactly, girls not wanting to marry you = easy escape. I always wonder how many married men were just forced or nagged into it, and the ones who were tricked into it were the luckier ones. At least she was nice to them for long enough to get them to do marry her. The luckiest ones are the ones girls want to fuck but not marry. The men girls avoid are also lucky, but they don't usually know they're lucky because they haven't experienced the bullshit of women. They think it sucks to be them but if…
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 10:20 PM
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I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work, but it's a funny picture nonetheless
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 09:52 PM
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That's how laughable the idea is that being alpha protects you from women's shit. No, it attracts more women, and women bring their shit wherever they go. It actually makes you a bigger target. Here are some of the most hyper-alpha men in existence, and they got used and abused by bitches. The only thing that protects you is protecting yourself, by being defensive and careful, or for full protection avoiding relationships with them entirely.
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 09:12 PM
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IMO it's not just a proxy for money, but 'social standing'. People in bands are well-liked and thought of as cool by society as a whole. And therefore have influence over other people. Money also gives power and influence over other people. IMO it is not money itself or popularity, political power, social influence etc themselves, but the ability to influence others that is the thing here. That's what 'social status' really is at its core. What do a musician, a priest, a politician, a CEO, a cel…
/r/MGTOW21/09/16 09:09 PM
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Exactly! If you're not wanting to go fully mgtow you have to keep in mind the importance of power, and your keeping of it at all times. This is my take on it, but I'm still learning... The most important thing by far IMO is you being able and willing to end the relationship if she pisses you off etc. Then, she'll be nicer and more careful if she wants to keep you. And realise that if it goes sour (e.g you get nagged a lot or disrespected etc etc) then just go. It's much much better to be single …
/r/MGTOW10/09/16 01:43 PM
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Absolutely! Great advice from rat biker too! None of us are saying this for any reason other than we care and don't like seeing men get walked all over. Don't take your time, every new day of this crap makes it worse for you. Get out of there ASAP, take all your important stuff, go stay with family or somewhere safe and comfortable. Then don't talk to her again! It's really easy, don't convince yourself it's hard, just do it step by step robotically if you get emotional.
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 07:56 PM
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The surveys about that are shocking. It's a huge percentage of women who say they often forget them, the majority forget them occasionally. And a scarily significant amount admit to deliberately not taking them, which we also know from lots of 1st and 2nd hand experiences is not particularly rare. I vaguely knew a woman in her 20s, who had a reputation for being a party girl and all, have two such 'accidents' in the space of a year or two. The probability of that happening whilst taking the pill…
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 03:08 PM
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Women are too irresponsible to deal with birth control. But women have all the best options for it. Men have a fairly unreliable and unpleasant option or a permanent one. Only about half of pregnancies are planned! For the sake of men, children and society we need better male contraceptives as men are far more responsible and know when not to have kids. Vasectomy scares too many men because it's permanent. We need men to take over contraception so we need something that's appealing, like an impl…
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 09:44 AM
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Mate, LEAVE NOW! I've stayed in relationships way past the girl's expiry date. It doesn't get any better, just slowly slips downhill (or sometimes not so slowly). IMHO you're being kept as backup, don't take it harshly on yourself as the same thing happens to so many guys - it doesn't say anything bad about you. I was kept as backup and didn't even know I was until I got her friend to show me her messages. The best decision I made in a long time was to say no to her when she tried to come back (…
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 08:53 AM
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Thanks for that, it is very interesting what's going on in Japan. I think women's on-average inflated expectations and 'conditions' for having a serious relationship sounds a definite contributor, because it's certainly the case in the west. There are a couple of people in that thread discussing these expectations, and a video to back it up. But there seems a lot of people denying that's the case and trying to blame it on men or society (and yes, I highly doubt they don't play some part too, but…
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 08:10 AM
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Yeah, I know women who say pretty much all their exes were assholes. I don't believe that at all. There may be more assholes than the general population due to them selecting them, but it can't be anywhere near all of them. It is hamstering why they broke up with them or got broken up with by them.
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 01:21 AM
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Tbh I don't find many of them actually attractive. Ones like her look so weird and fake they might as well be sex robots. And they lack femininity big time. Many fairly normal girls IRL are far sexier than these creatures in my opinion.
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 12:58 AM
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Yeah the OP sounds like it has a strong Buddhist influence.
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 12:51 AM
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You could change the word sex to any other desirable thing and your point still stands. Women enjoy X but soon get used to it and need more X to keep enjoying it. X can be sex, money, company, possessions, luxury, clothes, makeup, shoes... even cats! Makes me wonder if their brains adapt quicker to stimuli so they get tolerance more quickly. Or it may just be societal "you can have it all!" mentality. Probably it's both.
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 12:40 AM
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You might make it, the SJWs are starting to face backlash in the USA, UK etc (the countries that 'lead' this crap). It spreads partly because other countries look up to these countries and try to be like them. If it's reduced to a fringe movement in America then so will it eventually be everywhere else.
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 12:07 AM
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I think that certain types of people are a lot more likely to become MGTOW or to be MGTOW-like naturally. Whilst for some types it's probably impossible for them to handle it and/or very unlikely for them to want it. Just a note that no personality aspect is a discrete category, they're all continua. There are no 100% introverts or 100% feeling people. I think it's mostly about validation, and having experience to make you redpilled. I've never cared a lot for validation and doing what's 'cool',…
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 10:31 PM
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Exactly, once they're a few years old their fun and not a chore most of the time. If you find being a parent to be a massive chore and hard work, then you're a shit parent IMHO. Once the kids aren't screaming babies anymore of course.
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 09:10 PM
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My dad did and said the exact same. I think any man who had the luck to be able to do so would agree. I've never seen or even heard of an actual job that's easier than staying at home in the 21st century. Not even being a pen-pusher.
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 06:51 PM
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They see these problems but attribute them to different factors - capitalism, patriarchy, conservatism etc. The reason they're wrong IMO is that those three things have been declining in influence over the past 70 years, with their opposites flourishing. Despite this, the problems are largely getting worse - certainly the social (non-economic) problems, and although there is less absolute poverty that is possibly due to the huge borrowing and debt.
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 06:48 PM
3

Western countries at present would best be described as centralism, where the government heavily controls the economy for the supposed benefit of the economy itself. In socialism the government also heavily controls the economy but for the supposed benefit of the people. I think what OP means by socialism is the government being huge and having a lot of influence on the economy, which is certainly how things are now in America and especially Europe. That is the same as what happens in socialism,…
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 06:43 PM
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Same thing happening in UK too. Lots of "delivery drivers wanted" signs at kebab shops, cashiers wanted at stores, waiters wanted etc etc. All low-end, dead-end temporary jobs. And even getting those jobs is hard because of over-competition. Our economies have not recovered, the middle class average people are still screwed.
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 04:48 PM
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Haha yeah that's funny: Moody modern woman takes time off to stay at home with kids: "World's toughest job! I wash ALL the clothes, dust a bit, and go on NetMums. I go out for "coffees" with my "friends" while the kids are out. I watch TV for half the day. It must be so nice being a working man and commuting for an hour to work a stressy job all day. I get upset that my husband is tired when he comes home, he has no idea how hard it is looking after the kids!" Overworked modern man does the same…
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 04:42 PM
1

I too strongly disagree with censoring opinions and ideologies. But it does seem less bad if they actually take 'hate speech' in its literal form - meaning inciting hatred against a group of people based on their inborn characteristics (race, sex etc) - instead of it meaning "stuff we don't agree with" or "right wing opinions" as it often does. Radical feminism is a hate group and they do spew out hate speech, but the likes of FB/Twitter etc would not consider them as such because they are somew…
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 04:29 PM
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Yeah I agree, but only based on limited experience. The Church of England keeps pandering to SJW demands. Although that might be because the British government has some control over the Church of England and has forced it. The weird church I was referring to is of a fringe (slightly culty) Protestant movement.
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 04:17 PM
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This is spot-on IMO. Don't try to fight your own mind, but assert your conscious control over it and work with it. You can't change your desire but you can say "Nah that's not worth it" and control your actions. You might have instincts to provide for a woman, have kids etc. But you don't have to follow those instincts.
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 02:12 PM
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Yeah, it's definitely true that many women will be kind and giving at certain times, but because of the situation rather than because it's their nature. It's their nature to be adaptive, they don't have a very fixed nature and they change dramatically all the time. They can be worth having a relationship with if you're careful and keep the red pill in mind, but it WILL NOT last forever! And if you forget that and marry/procreate/get pussy-whipped then you're fucked. There are none (or so very fe…
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 01:43 PM
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I think there are, at a given moment in time, unicorn-type women. It seems she has to feel like you're out of her league and be strongly attracted to you in order to treat you well though. But! As I saw someone post recently, women are a lot more malleable than us. They change, a lot, to fit the situation, like water in a container. They're much more fluid (probably a survival adaptation since they can't fight as well, so just go with the flow). I think a unicorn only exists at a certain point i…
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 01:14 PM
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It seems to me that a more RP way of understanding the relationship between men and women was more mainstream and common knowledge before Gen X, who seemed to forget and/or reject that knowledge and so did not pass it on to millenials. Now some Gen X and some millenials are rediscovering what our great-grandparents could have just told us.
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 12:47 PM
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There definitely is now, except among groups of feminists obviously. Many people 18-25ish at least say that they don't like feminists. But some of those still believe the same stuff (about the prevalence of rape and DV, discrimination against women etc) they just reject the label because it now comes with a cost as you say. It'd be like someone saying "I'm not a redpiller" whilst believing in hypergamy and dual mating strategies, or "I'm not a MGTOW" whilst avoiding handing over control to women…
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 12:44 PM
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I'm not religious but I know some people who go to a more fringe church up the road from me, and I've been there a few times for events there. It's just a massive bitchfest, absolutely disgusting coming from a bunch of people who think they have some moral high ground. Constant backstabbing and bitching about each other between most of the women there. Silly power games and politics all the time. It's so un-Christian ironically, so much for loving thy neighbour, not being envious, and treating o…
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 12:07 PM
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Dune is pretty un-PC though, it's Wikipedia entry has lots of criticism from SJW viewpoints. The women in it are nearly all devious manipulative fucks. I see the bene gesserit's behaviour as being like real life women exaggerated to the extreme. But they still need a man (Paul) to look into the place they cannot, because they're too scared to look there (a part of themselves). Most of their power is through manipulating men rather than actually doing stuff themselves. Just my take on it though, …
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 11:43 AM
2

I think it comes down to the fact that depression is not the same as unhappiness, although it does often cause unhappiness. Depression is a viscous cycle and antidepressants are supposed to break the cycle by giving you the energy and confidence to change things in your life. I see it as a 'safe mode' of the brain where it shuts down to some extent and 'bunkers down'. I think it's a survival feature to get through severe situations where it's best to stay out of trouble and play really safe. Thi…
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 01:27 AM
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Just my thoughts on this... A lot of people think ADs make you happy, nickname them happy pills etc. They really don't, they help prevent your mood getting very low, and can pull you out of depression. But higher serotonin doesn't make you happy in the strictest sense, but more content and positive about things. But yeah it seems to be mainly a type of middle-aged woman taking them, who isn't ever happy. Not to take away from the people who do have depression though. So I think those people mist…
/r/MGTOW07/09/16 07:51 PM
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You really don't have to help anyone, I'm not even trying to convince you. It's mgtow, do what you want. I'm setting out my reasons so I can scrutinise them myself and for the sake of debate. Some of us think that men need to look out for each other more (like OP and me). IMO one of the main reasons women have negotiated a new "have it all" type deal with society, is because they band together when it suits. They are still immensely competitive, and rarely even like each other. It's not about co…
/r/MGTOW07/09/16 07:55 AM
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Haha your name checks out :) Yeah it's one of those "never do that" things but if you're firmly self-controlled, wise to women's manipulation and very happy being single (i.e. A mgtow with good self-control) then your probably safe-ish doing it IMO.
/r/MGTOW07/09/16 06:59 AM
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That's a great way of putting it, I think it's the main thing that separates the free and the slaves. Just one small and simple realisation. Despite living in free countries, loads and loads of people still run about with effectively no freedom - because they still just do what they're told aka follow the script. It's only means of enforcement are 1) False belief you'll be happy if you follow the script. 2) Society may shame you somewhat, people who are themselves socially-controlled puppets wil…
/r/MGTOW07/09/16 06:49 AM
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This is so true! I see that all the time. Not with dicks, I don't talk about dicks much, but with guy's looks. If a guy clearly has money, is highly rated by her friends, is very entertaining, or has certain body language (confidence etc) then they say he looks much better than he actually does. The reverse is also true, if he looks fairly good but shows very little of the above. Men will say "she's sexy" because of a girls body language / movements. The difference is, women will often say "he's…
/r/MGTOW06/09/16 10:49 AM
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