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The one time a female friend actually went out of her way to do something for me, she quickly left and claimed she had to do something else. Turns out she was cheating on her husband with another guy, and I was the cover story. Can't even help a dude without an ulterior motive.
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[objectification]
Yes and you were absolutely right, that's the actual definition of the word. I don't deny that your discussion is interesting, but there is no reason for redefining existing words (unless making things more confusing).
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Objectification has nothing to do with using someone, it means to not consider someone as a person (but rather as an object). Technically that's what solipsists, narcissist, and psychopath do, hence most women. On the contrary most men consider women as persons even if they would "use" them. But never mind...
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First, thanks for answering and making a fully constructed argumented post. Few people do this, that's why I think you actually do give a fuck, like I do, but I digress.
I totally agree about the limitation of DSM-4 definitions, it's the (poor) state of the science currently (psychology is a pretty young science). Though Sam Vaknin did a quite thorough exploration and explanation of narcissism, which actually quite match the narcissists I could meet. (And no, there are no covert narcissists as they don't hide themselves, exactly because... they are narcissists. They don't give a fuck about hiding anything and on the contrary all they want is be in the spot light. From my personal experience they don't even mind being qualified as pathological narcissists, because being "qualified" flatters their ego so to speak.)
OK, so, my point is words have a common definition, so that we can understand each other (as you can see I chose italic rather than boldface this time). So, no, that wasn't my definition but the common definition, I verified in a dictionary. Things become quite complicated when we have to say "oh, but now I'm specifically discussing objectification according to /u/account4189 definition." That's why we commonly start with the common definition and then elaborate further around it as the article/post goes, but not redefining the actual word.
But anyway, you got my point and you probably don't give a fuck after all. And that's fine.
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