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| 1 | Is it truly possible for a woman to desire you when you don't have the right body type?Jesus Christ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/22 03:24 PM |
| 1 | Is it truly possible for a woman to desire you when you don't have the right body type?Your research is underpowered, not mine. The data isn’t even based on ratings of actual people. Very poor design. Cope harder. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/22 03:33 AM |
| 1 | Is it truly possible for a woman to desire you when you don't have the right body type?I didn’t, not here anyway, and not until she did so first. I’m not going to tolerate insults thrown at me without throwing some back. Ban me if you need to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/22 04:16 PM |
| 1 | Is it truly possible for a woman to desire you when you don't have the right body type?First, please quote the portions of your source that you feel support your claims here. The sources in the meta-analysis posted contains the info you seek. Try reading. The burden is on you to actually provide evidence for your claims. You made the claim that it's dangerous without evidence. No study has found that excess protein is dangerous in young healthy people who drink enough water. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Please explain why you feel Butterfield, a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/22 09:40 PM |
| 5 | Fundamentally believing grown women biologically think like teenagers is sexistSo this psychologist doesn’t think evo psych is a legitimate science simply because morphology hasn’t evolved much in ~2000 years? That’s a ridiculously poor argument given how brief that is compared to the millions of years humans spent evolving since our last divergence with our living common ancestors. Extremely silly take, complete misunderstanding of evolutionary history. It’s also silly to propose that because a genderless society exists somewhere that there are no gender differences psych… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/22 06:35 PM |
| 10 | Fundamentally believing grown women biologically think like teenagers is sexistI don’t think he meant world leaders, just leaders in general. Tall men are more successful in the business world for example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/22 04:51 PM |
| 9 | Fundamentally believing grown women biologically think like teenagers is sexistEvo-psych is largely seen as pseudoscience No it isn’t, not any more than regular evolutionary biology. Most evo psych research isn’t unfalsifiable in the way you’re suggesting it is either. Evolutionary researchers (all of them, not just the psychologists) have to propose experiments that would demonstrate support for a given hypothesis. So for example, if your hypothesis is that a peacock’s tail evolved as a way to attract mates, you’d test that by seeing what happens to mating success when yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/22 04:44 PM |
| 11 | Fundamentally believing grown women biologically think like teenagers is sexistMen do have less impulse control though, and a lot of women have the maturity and independence level of a teenager. I don’t think it applies to all women or even most necessarily, but why do you think the meme about women not being able to choose where to eat exists? That’s just one example but ask any dude who’s been married long enough how decisive their wives are. Without some direction a lot of women are barely functional. I’ve got tons of anecdotal examples of this from tons of women who yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/22 04:31 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: what did you open up to her about?Thank you | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/22 03:15 PM |
| 4 | Q4Men: what did you open up to her about?It’s alright, it was just a very surreal couple of days. The only thing I can think of that caused it is that she had already decided to break up with me before that, so my grandmas death probably interfered with her plans to get it out of the way, and seeing me cry probably disgusted her. Even if she hadn’t broken up with me our relationship didn’t really have legs, I was growing to resent her as well in the months leading up to it. Oh well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/22 03:14 PM |
| 6 | Q4Men: what did you open up to her about?Big time. She was very high maintenance in general, always had to get her way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/22 03:11 PM |
| 17 | Q4Men: what did you open up to her about?No idea whatsoever | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/22 04:36 AM |
| 54 | Q4Men: what did you open up to her about?My grandma’s death. My grandma had sleep apnea and refused to wear her sleep apparatus, it was only really a matter of time but we were close and I took it very poorly. My family wanted me to do her eulogy, and I accepted. I wasn’t able to not cry for the entire thing. The night after, my girlfriend started asking me all kinds of questions about our relationship but not in the kind way, it was almost an interrogation for some reason. I didn’t really want to get into it, I wanted to go to sleep b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/22 02:34 AM |
| – | If women should lower their standards to be with the average man....why, and what does the average man have to offer?compared to what time period Deterioration doesn’t have anything to do with absolute levels or wealth or luxury, it’s about the direction. Luxury and wealth can be at an all time high and things can still be headed towards disaster. Historically speaking that’s exactly when civilizations collapse, when things begin going downhill it happens slowly and then all at once. The fall of the Roman Empire for example. could be laid upon many different factors Sure, it’s obviously more complex than we’re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/22 05:56 PM |
| 2 | If women should lower their standards to be with the average man....why, and what does the average man have to offer?Are you equating marriage and work to slavery? Yes, even then. Like it or not that is the necessary function of men in society, and it’s one worth taking a little pride in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/22 05:23 AM |
| 5 | If women should lower their standards to be with the average man....why, and what does the average man have to offer?Examine their relationships, in all kinds of ways, then compare them to ours statistically. They win in almost every metric that has influence on societal cohesion. Primarily that metric is none other than the amount of sex had and by whom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/22 05:21 AM |
| 3 | If women should lower their standards to be with the average man....why, and what does the average man have to offer?Its not deterministic, it’s probabilistic. It’s the best chance we’ve got at surviving as a species. Look how quickly things are deteriorating. We are not adapted to the environment we’re creating and it’s happening too quickly for us to adapt. We need to slow the roll a bit, and if it’s not clear I’m not just talking about the evolving dating market, but that’s one of the foundations that society needs to function well at all costs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/22 04:16 AM |
| 12 | If women should lower their standards to be with the average man....why, and what does the average man have to offer?It should be self-evident looking at Gen X and older generations but if you really want David Buss has some good readings on it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/22 01:19 AM |
| 18 | If women should lower their standards to be with the average man....why, and what does the average man have to offer?No you can’t, the number one complaint from women trying to date these days, even the above average ones, is that the men they’re dating aren’t willing to commit, and it’s because those men are all seeing 5+ women at once. The marriage rate is in free fall and showing no signs of stopping. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/22 12:50 AM |
| 16 | If women should lower their standards to be with the average man....why, and what does the average man have to offer?Exclusivity and the likelihood that your grandchildren will be born into a functioning society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/22 12:39 AM |
| 15 | If women should lower their standards to be with the average man....why, and what does the average man have to offer?Because people tend to only get what they deserve, men and women alike. In scientific terms, humans have adopted assortative mating because it confers the highest fitness advantage at the community level. It results in an average reduction in offspring fitness but confers a significant advantage over the harem model in cooperation and stability. Ie. average men in a harem-based society would rather see it burn to the ground than fight or provide for it. Since it’s become the dominant method of m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/22 12:30 AM |
| 40 | If women should lower their standards to be with the average man....why, and what does the average man have to offer?You think an argument is needed for why average women should probably pair up with average men like they used to in pre-tinder society? Huh? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/22 12:02 AM |
| 1 | I really think that most women are attracted to strength and fighting ability and turned off by a lack of either.I didn’t think I’d have to clarify that I meant ‘able-bodied’ men and not literally any man with a pulse. For women the equivalent would be not defending her children as the hierarchy of defence goes men > women > children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/22 09:46 PM |
| -2 | I really think that most women are attracted to strength and fighting ability and turned off by a lack of either.A would not call a man who can’t or wouldn’t defend himself or his family ‘good’. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/22 09:15 PM |
| 1 | I really think that most women are attracted to strength and fighting ability and turned off by a lack of either.If you were married to a man that could not ever inflict harm to someone, even in self defence, would you ever feel safe? What would you do if a burglar entered your house and your husband isn’t reaching for a bat or a gun? That’s what he means by harmless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/22 08:00 PM |
| 1 | The way some women here on PPD describes their S/O is so unflattering and insulting that if they read it they’d break up with them on the spotPoor guy, this is exactly what the OP was talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/22 03:25 PM |
| 8 | The way some women here on PPD describes their S/O is so unflattering and insulting that if they read it they’d break up with them on the spotThere is a massive difference between thinking your partner is super attractive and being with them only for that. Sounds like you just settled and you need to justify it to yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/22 03:19 PM |
| 1 | You have to actually be genuinely sexy to be lusted after in your LTR, its not common in average relationships and that isnt a bad thingWhy? I don’t think their lives would improve if they got divorced, it would probably get a lot worse before it would maybe get any better. For the most part they think it’s how marriage is supposed to be. Happy wife happy life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/22 02:44 PM |
| 10 | You have to actually be genuinely sexy to be lusted after in your LTR, its not common in average relationships and that isnt a bad thingNo point, wouldn’t do them or me a single bit of good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/22 04:51 AM |
| 23 | You have to actually be genuinely sexy to be lusted after in your LTR, its not common in average relationships and that isnt a bad thingI think most men would settle just for being treated human. I’ve seen the way some of my married guy friends are treated. If they ever treated their wives that way their lady friends would be telling them to get a divorce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/22 03:30 AM |
| 9 | Women making the first moveI’ve only ever been approached by women who weren’t very attractive and who I never would’ve approached. I was flattered by the attempt though and good for them for trying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/22 03:29 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe that you're the prize?I think so. 27 year old making six figures in biotech, 5’11, muscular, intelligent, charming, etc. My only issue with dating right now is that it’s hard to find women that actually make my life any better in a way that doesn’t have anything to do with sex. I suppose having another income would be great but I don’t really need it and that seems like a pretty bad reason to want to date or marry someone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/22 06:33 PM |
| 3 | What do people consider high and low n counts?That’s not anywhere close to normal. I tended to overestimate what was normal as well. I think for your age closer to 10 is the norm, and even that seems to be a big overestimate according to some sources. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/22 07:52 PM |
| 3 | Realistically speaking, what kind of women do men here expect to even get?That's actually a good question, I don't know the answer. I would assume that most people see lies or lies of omission negatively as well. Generally omission or refusing to answer a question can be taken as a sign of guilt, but that's not specific to sexuality. Realistically most people don't judge character by asking directly anyway, behaviour in general works as a decent indicator. Interesting thought though, and it's probably why women tend to lie about their past, as a counter to anti-promis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 10:18 PM |
| 3 | Realistically speaking, what kind of women do men here expect to even get?Very weird comment. Still avoiding the obvious. you don’t realize that most people don’t care about someone's past That's just not true. It's a pretty well-known fact that men prefer less promiscuous women for their long-term relationships, and maybe more surprisingly women prefer less promiscuous women for their friendships. The real question is only why that is. All I'm suggesting is that it's pretty likely it has to do with paternity. And oh look, here's an interesting paper which shows evide… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 10:07 PM |
| 3 | Realistically speaking, what kind of women do men here expect to even get?You're not discussing science in the context of evolution, you're doing everything you can to ignore it. The fact that most men avoid promiscuous women in the context of LTRs even though genetic tests are now possible only reinforces the idea that it has some evolutionary basis making it intrinsic, because if it were social or cultural you would see that preference disappear much faster. Or it's just that by the time you need a test it's already too late, so why take on extra risk? Either way, m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 09:28 PM |
| 4 | Realistically speaking, what kind of women do men here expect to even get?Modern technology of the past ~50 years can't hold a candle to thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years of selection. We have not yet adapted to our modern environment, not even close. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 09:20 PM |
| 9 | Realistically speaking, what kind of women do men here expect to even get?Past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour. I think implicitly, because it does seem implicit, it's because of the threat of paternity fraud. Men don't have the luxury of knowing that their children are actually theirs, so throughout our evolutionary history promiscuity avoidance was probably the best proxy we had. Over time it likely became intrinsic psychologically to be disgusted by promiscuous women, or at least to not want to put too much stock in them or have them raise 'your… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 09:09 PM |
| 24 | Realistically speaking, what kind of women do men here expect to even get?Holy fucking strawman Batman, this one took some effort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Men who care the most about women's sexual habits don't really care about women. They just use women as a scoreboard for their competition with other men.If you say so, I know plenty. Relatively speaking anyway. You’d be shocked what women tell you when they think they’re safe from judgement. Way to completely miss the point as well, I said to the other user it’s an extreme example. I’m still not marrying a promiscuous woman whether she’s been gangbanged or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 05:44 PM |
| 3 | Men who care the most about women's sexual habits don't really care about women. They just use women as a scoreboard for their competition with other men.Not really, no. I’ve dated a lot of women though, and those are some extreme examples but they elucidate my point. Are you saying you don’t know any women who’ve had threesomes or gangbangs? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 05:34 PM |
| 0 | Men who care the most about women's sexual habits don't really care about women. They just use women as a scoreboard for their competition with other men.Sex on a first date is fine if you intend to date and you’ve both communicated that with each other. When a woman is willing to sleep with me on a first date just because I’m hot and in spite of no indication I want anything else to do with her then yes that’s a red flag. If I’ve communicated to her that I like her and would love to keep dating then it’s not an issue. One is promiscuity, the other is mutually agreed upon connection. Substantial difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 04:44 PM |
| 8 | Men who care the most about women's sexual habits don't really care about women. They just use women as a scoreboard for their competition with other men.Lol what? Not wanting to marry a woman who’s been gangbanged or bukkake’d is about other men? Do you hear yourself? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/22 04:34 PM |
| 3 | Women use the mean, men want to be judged by the medianProbably not. The lower 3% of women are the really grotesque looking ones that have that fat pouch that extends into the pants almost to the knees. The real big bitches with the 50 lb FUPAs. That’s the bottom 3% of women. The only ones hitting them up are doing it for a fetish. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/22 05:19 AM |
| 3 | Another outlier question: the Kardashian-Davidson-West saga seems to break all the rules and tropes of TRPI wouldn’t concern yourself with what celebrities are doing. The normal ‘rules’ don’t really apply. Your average mentally ill beanpole isn’t getting with rich MILFs, he’s jerking off 3 times daily and playing video games nonstop in between. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/22 08:11 PM |
| – | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI think what that tends to do to your mindset surrounding dating is the only issue, and I mean for you not them. I used to plan several dates with different women every week and I think all it ended up doing was making me see them as a number rather than a person and it was taking away from my ability to get to know each of them and see if there was actually anything else there. If there was any tiny little thing that I didn’t like so much my mind immediately jumped to the next one in line. And … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/22 04:57 PM |
| – | The rapid societal decline in sex and relationships is solely due to women's lack of interestI’m sorry to say but if you need to do all that to look presentable or get make attention then you aren’t of average attractiveness. Having a hair and makeup routine so that men can tell that you’re actually female isn’t the active participation in dating that you think it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/22 04:22 AM |
| – | The rapid societal decline in sex and relationships is solely due to women's lack of interestAverage looking women and above don’t have to actively look for a partner. Life just happens to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/22 04:00 AM |
| – | The rapid societal decline in sex and relationships is solely due to women's lack of interestI don’t know about that. Women are still in the game, they’re just passive. Nothing new there. Young men are checking out entirely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/22 03:59 AM |
| 11 | How does TRP view men they perceive as unattractive who date successfully or have a lasting relationship?All of my friends who are married or who are in LTRs likely leading to marriage seem happy but they give a lot without getting a lot in return. True to the “happy wife happy life” cliché. It’s working for them for now, but they’re all under 30. We’ll see where things go once they’re a couple decades deep I suppose. I’m not even opposed to marriage or LTRs, I just want to make sure that when I do it I’m not setting myself up to watch my life and relationship slowly degrade until there’s little le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/22 03:56 PM |
| 1 | In what ways has Redpill ruined your life?This is a very odd take on the history of the manosphere. Quite frankly none of what you believe is true. Red pillers and incels are not fans of each other. Incels see women as their enemy because they’re below most women. Most red pillers see women as conquests because they see themselves as better than most women. They have extremely little to do with each other and any overlap is probably pretty minimal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/22 11:15 PM |
| – | How can you know if the man you are dating is into redpill stuff?Hypergamy is the one railed against most. I personally don't take issue with it but whatever. Neither of these is contingent on her having a vagina. It can be, if for example the reason she starts fucking her accountant is because you just lost your job. Women are far more likely to abandon a marriage if her husband faces a substantial downgrade in status. On the flip side of the coin men are more likely to abandon their marriage if their partner gets seriously ill, likely due to a loss of physi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/22 12:27 AM |
| 1 | How can you know if the man you are dating is into redpill stuff?Not a single behavior unifies women. That's too broad a requirement for any schema. The reality is that there are certain behaviours, attitudes, dispositions, whatever you want to call them, that the majority and sometimes a vast majority of women exhibit. I'm talking about things that make women incredibly fun and pleasant to be around as well by the way, not just anything 'bad'. Regardless, that's not the point of AWALT. The point is not to take it literally, but rather to be prepared to take … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/22 07:24 PM |
| 3 | How can you know if the man you are dating is into redpill stuff?I see what you mean. AWALT has gone a bit far with the newer members. Years ago it was only supposed to be an heuristic, not something to take literally. Ironically the sub was a lot better before it got quarantined. In old school RP the way AWALT relates to mate guarding for example is to expressly condemn mate guarding, and then if you get cheated on anyway AWALT is simply the reason not to be upset about it. When you know what you’re potentially in for it can’t hurt you as much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/22 05:16 PM |
| 5 | How can you know if the man you are dating is into redpill stuff?That’s not a red pill tenet I’ve ever heard of. Men in the anger phase treat women like shit, men who graduate from that treat women like women. To be fair there are a lot of guys stuck in the anger phase. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/22 04:54 PM |
| 12 | How can you know if the man you are dating is into redpill stuff?Mate guarding isn’t red pilled. That’s bitch behaviour. Red pilled is letting her go, do her own thing free of influence, and packing her bags with a smile if she cheats. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/22 04:50 PM |
| 2 | How can you know if the man you are dating is into redpill stuff?If he’s good at it, you’ll never know. He’ll just be fit, financially successful, charismatic, knowledgeable, etc. The red pill is just a cheat code for men who don’t have natural success in their lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/22 04:48 PM |
| 2 | Men's standards are too lowIf men collectively raised their standards humanity would grind to a screeching halt. It’s a valid argument, it’s the reason men are so easily hurt by women, but at the same time it’s tough to blame men for latching onto the first sign of warmth when it’s so rare for most of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/22 06:49 AM |
| 1 | Do you think "sexbots" will change anything if they actually become mass produced, close to realistic and cheap enough for anyone to afford? (hypothetically speaking, this is still science fiction at this point)What do you mean? My statement is with regard to men who actually don't have issues getting dates or sex but are not particularly fond of the time and money investment that comes with having a partner. The bachelor types. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/22 06:44 PM |
| 5 | Do you think "sexbots" will change anything if they actually become mass produced, close to realistic and cheap enough for anyone to afford? (hypothetically speaking, this is still science fiction at this point)Romantic love is pretty easily replaced by other non-romantic love, like family and friends or even just having a couple of cute pets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/22 07:54 PM |
| 6 | Do you think "sexbots" will change anything if they actually become mass produced, close to realistic and cheap enough for anyone to afford? (hypothetically speaking, this is still science fiction at this point)Way less upkeep. Any man not already in a relationship who could afford it would just bow out of the dating market for good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/22 07:50 PM |
| 8 | What is the female equivalent of a 666 male?The average is about 5.5 iirc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/22 05:56 PM |
| 1 | How many of you men have cheated on a significant other? (All honest answers, I won’t be judging)A stripper with trust issues. Never heard that one before. To answer the question, no I’ve never cheated. I’ve been the other guy a couple times though, I only knew about it one time and I knew the relationship was ending. I dated that girl for a bit and she cheated on me too. That’s how I learned the “If she’ll do it for you, she’ll do it to you” rule. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/22 04:12 PM |
| 2 | Why do women intentionally sexualise themselves at the gym? Do the men feel uncomfortable as a result?Gotta disagree there. Looser clothing is trending again and I think the reason is that if you can still look strong in a relatively oversized shirt, then you know you’re fit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/22 05:02 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The Redpill takes a lot of flak for being "misogynistic" ideology, but it views women in the better light than most modern women see men.Mate unless you’re scraping the bottom of the genetic barrel there’s absolutely no reason you can’t turn yourself into a top 10% man. Most people don’t even lift. Start there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/22 03:07 PM |
| 3 | Women have total victory in the West and the Collapse won’t happenI’m pretty sure they already have those samples to draw from. They all starved because they couldn’t decide where to eat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/21 07:39 PM |
| 2 | If sex isn't a need, then let's ban abortion because women don't need sex!Proto-baby? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/21 07:05 PM |
| 1 | If sex isn't a need, then let's ban abortion because women don't need sex!Source | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/21 07:04 PM |
| 0 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.Men approach women they want to date. If you’re not being approached by men that you consider dateable, it means they’re not considering you dateable. Ergo, standards are too high. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.Yeah, your standards are too high. You don’t receive criticism well either. Not partner material. Men must sense that. I’ve said what I’ve said, take it or don’t I suppose l. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 07:07 PM |
| 1 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.Alright, well without knowing anymore I have to assume my assessment is correct and you’re probably a little bit overweight. That’s what I take curvy to mean. I think your standards are at odds with your actual dating pool. The man you described, tall, lean, good career, emotionally mature, etc etc they do exist but they’re like less than 1% of men. There’s also the issue of some implicit racism in the dating market. Unfortunately black women have a harder time dating, kind of like Indian men. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.Not knowing your weight is very strange for someone who claims to go to the gym a lot. Curvy doesn’t mean anything to me. What’s the ballpark? Like 160? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.Alright, I was being harsh in that first comment. I do apologize. I think I took it personally because dating for me has been much harder than “people don’t approach”. That’s the default as a man. I would like to help you. This would be much easier if we had a decent idea of what you looked like. Height, weight, ethnicity, etc. Describe yourself, looks, personality, career, etc and then describe the type of man you want to be with. I think that’ll get us a good start where some actual advice can… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 06:43 PM |
| 1 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.Sure, even strangers. I’ll give you an example. There’s a barista at my local Starbucks. She’s Asian, very cute face. Her eye makeup catches my eye every single day. However she’s not particularly fit. Not my type. Even still I always tell her how much I love her eye makeup, because it’s true. I can understand why that’s confusing but it is what it is, I give way more compliments to people I’m not interested in romantically than otherwise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 06:31 PM |
| 1 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.Try Hinge. It’s probably the best one on the market right now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.That’s only true in the sense that women only approach men that are out of their league. That’s why they’re approaching, because those men would never make the first move on them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 06:26 PM |
| 1 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.Being called pretty as a woman doesn’t mean you’re actually pretty. I’ve known women with 30+ BMIs that get called pretty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Men overestimate how "easy" it is for women to date. It is much harder than they think.So dating is hard for you because men don’t approach? That’s it? Fucking lol dude. Jesus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Based on my experience women don't seem to value "intelligence" as an attractive traitIn my experience women love competence, which is associated with intelligence. They don’t like being around people smarter than them though because most of them have fragile little egos concerning their own intelligence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/21 06:02 PM |
| 5 | Q4M: Would you rather be low libido or high libido?Having recently started SSRIs I can say easily that there are tradeoffs. I previously had a high libido, it’s much lower now. I prefer the high libido to the low libido, but as you mentioned it’s kind of nice not worrying so much about sex. I feel more in control in a sense. But I’m not in a relationship either. In a relationship I believe high libido is much better. Sexual intimacy, and lots of it, is key to a healthy relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/21 06:56 PM |
| 1 | How does this sub feel about people that don't fulfill typical gender roles?It’s definitely this. Johnny Depp is hot, sure, but he doesn’t get near the same visceral reaction from most women that someone like say Henry Cavill does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/21 07:29 PM |
| 4 | How does this sub feel about people that don't fulfill typical gender roles?It’s both. Most mainstream media forms are pushing to abolish gender roles, but most individual people are resistant to it. As they should be, imo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/21 07:22 PM |
| 6 | How does this sub feel about people that don't fulfill typical gender roles?That’s a fair assessment though. Most of the discussions in this sub revolve around population level trends that don’t appear at the individual level. It’s completely fine to say “Okay, but I’m talking about a societal trend, not your personal experience”. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/21 07:17 PM |
| 0 | How does this sub feel about people that don't fulfill typical gender roles?It’s totally fine, but it does tend to make their lives more difficult than they need to be. It’s not even their fault most of the time. What I can’t stand is when someone who’s just been a loser their entire life decides to adopt some new identify to try and score pity points. That’s where it gets pathetic. But nah if you’re just a soft guy or a tomboy there’s no problem with that in and of itself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/21 07:16 PM |
| 1 | How would you fill the masculinity void?I don’t feel owed shit. The fewer masculine men there are, the better I do personally. Less competition. However societally and generationally the same doesn’t hold true. I’d prefer this whole thing didn’t collapse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/21 07:38 PM |
| 4 | How would you fill the masculinity void?He was the first to really burst into the mainstream picture, and yes it was definitely spurred by an initially political stance he took. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/21 08:16 PM |
| 7 | How would you fill the masculinity void?I don’t know where you’ve gotten the idea that Jordan Peterson hasn’t emphasized altruism as being a good trait to have, but alright. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/21 08:15 PM |
| 1 | How would you fill the masculinity void?Broadly speaking, probably around the area where it turns from “I can competently lead us through this” into “You don’t get a say at all because I outrank you”. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/21 06:52 PM |
| -1 | How would you fill the masculinity void?Men need to pick up the damn slack and just be more masculine again. Masculine men are still treated like kings. Unfortunately masculinity is no longer the default for men in most places, it needs to be learned rather than just molded during adolescence like it used to. To that end I think that having an open discussion societally is what helps. Jordan Peterson for example was responsible for a large shift in that direction, because young men were crying out for a father figure to hold them resp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/21 06:44 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Most of women's dating issues stem from the fact they just aren't likable to the men they get withI don’t know where you’re getting the idea that TRP men value exclusively appearance. It’s definitely a key variable but when you read anything on the sub it’s pretty clear what they value the same or even more is loyalty and general pleasantness. There’s a reason a common saying there is “Show me the hottest woman on the planet and I’ll show you the guy who’s sick of her”. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/21 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Question For The Men: Would you date or marry or even consider a relationship with an FDS woman?Everybody does that subconsciously though anyway, that's my point. Narcissists just do it more consciously and with comparatively little remorse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/21 08:26 PM |
| 1 | Question For The Men: Would you date or marry or even consider a relationship with an FDS woman?I only disagree with the part about not sorting people into high and low value. What you’re describing about FDS women makes them low value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/21 07:30 PM |
| 2 | Question For The Men: Would you date or marry or even consider a relationship with an FDS woman?And rightfully so. Why would anyone want to date someone who see them as the enemy? It’s not clear to me how many men get red pilled and then actually take the self-improvement advice seriously and can check the hate at the door, but one thing for certain is that you don’t see them on the sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/21 06:44 PM |
| 9 | Question For The Men: Would you date or marry or even consider a relationship with an FDS woman?I disagree. Everyone has to have something to offer. You can want to form legitimate relationships with people, care about their wants and needs and what you can offer them, while also care about what they bring to you. There is always, and I do mean always, a hierarchical structure in place. You yourself subscribe to one. If you don’t, I urge you to go out into the streets, find a meth-addled 50 year old hooker, and marry her. If you won’t, then you are guilty of viewing people through the lens… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/21 06:28 PM |
| -1 | Question For The Men: Would you date or marry or even consider a relationship with an FDS woman?Based on the vitriol Ive seen come from most of them, no. If they were actually implementing a strategy to become a high-quality woman, then sure, but I don’t think you’d find many still participating in the sub that fit that bill. Look at it this way. I consider myself a red pilled man in the sense that I think I understand women and their motivations much better than the average guy based on psychological literature, but I don’t go to the sub anymore. I took what I needed and got out. I would … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/21 06:23 PM |
| 1 | How can loyalty exist if hypergamy is realA simple yes would’ve sufficed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/21 05:03 AM |
| 1 | How can loyalty exist if hypergamy is realI’m referring to the scientific literature on human mate choice. David Buss is one of the most cited researchers in the world. Are you a science denier? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/21 04:53 AM |
| -2 | How can loyalty exist if hypergamy is realYeah, no you haven’t. You’d have to be willfully blind to make such claims if you had. Although that’s plausible too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/21 02:34 AM |
| 1 | How can loyalty exist if hypergamy is realYou’ve never any of the side bar material at TRP if you believe this isn’t a human universal. Start with pretty much anything by David Buss. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/21 02:28 AM |
| 20 | How do you think the future of dating will be?Nobody needs to burn society to the ground, it’ll all eventually just wash out. When the population starts plummeting because nobody is pairing up that’s when shit hits the fan, and it won’t be because of violence, we just won’t have enough labourers or incentives for them to keep the lights on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/21 09:49 PM |
| 1 | If MGOTW was rebranded as 'Permanent Bachelors' would people still have the negative view of it?The way you're reacting is exactly the way they are to being treated terribly by women. You feel the exact same about each other. It's all reactionary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/21 12:38 AM |
| 1 | If MGOTW was rebranded as 'Permanent Bachelors' would people still have the negative view of it?For 99% of them the hatred is not legitimate, it’s misplaced and they haven’t realized it yet. It’s a cry for help. Empathy is the only thing that would actually end the cycle. You’re not obligated to do it, but then don’t be surprised when this problem gets worse either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 07:36 PM |
| 1 | If MGOTW was rebranded as 'Permanent Bachelors' would people still have the negative view of it?Of course. I don’t see much open hatred of men when I’m out walking around. The growing divide between men and women is apparent only in media as far as I can tell. That doesn’t mean it’s not there and actually I take it to mean the situation is far worse than people think. Nobody wants to have open empathetic discussions in person where problems can actually be solved. It’s not good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:46 PM |
| 9 | Men need to reign in and focus their rage and indignationWestern society as we know it is essentially doomed. The anonymity of the internet has created an environment where people can say whatever they want without fear of judgement. If you walk around outside you probably wouldn’t even notice that most young men and women are growing to hate each other, but they are and that’s crystal clear if you read the comments on literally any tiktok video. As fewer people pair up we’re going to keep slipping below the replacement rate. It’ll happen slowly and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:27 PM |
| 2 | If MGOTW was rebranded as 'Permanent Bachelors' would people still have the negative view of it?No argument there. I agree a little more self-awareness would do them a bit of good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:09 PM |
| 2 | If MGOTW was rebranded as 'Permanent Bachelors' would people still have the negative view of it?In real life I can assure you they do. These men aren’t berating women in the streets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:08 PM |
| 2 | If MGOTW was rebranded as 'Permanent Bachelors' would people still have the negative view of it?Most people’s internet activity doesn’t reflect their day to day lives. 99.9% of mgtow dudes are just average guys with normal lives who need to vent occasionally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:07 PM |
| 2 | If MGOTW was rebranded as 'Permanent Bachelors' would people still have the negative view of it?There’s a bit of confirmation bias involved here. You’re assuming these men are any more obsessed with women than average and not just taking to the internet to occasionally vent. Almost all men are obsessed with women in the sense that their lives revolve around trying to find a partner or please their partner if they already have one. That’s the cross that pretty much all men bare. The MGTOW folks aren’t more obsessed about women than your average dude is, they just need to vent occasionally b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:04 PM |
| 1 | Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?It is only about marriage, because that’s what the comment I replied to was about. Technically overall the ‘happiest’ couples are those that are unmarried and not cohabitating, both in terms of relationship satisfaction and quality of sex, but those relationships also don’t typically last or result in children and the other user also mentioned parenthood. You can find many similar studies in the references or by looking at the authors other work. This isn’t controversial information by any stret… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 02:05 PM |
| 1 | Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?Have you considered maybe, I don’t know, reading it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 05:33 AM |
| 3 | Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?You’re right it’s a report, a summarizing of several studies with internal citations so it’s even better than a single study, no? I’m not going to dig through multiple pages to find your point. What you want me to hold your hand and sound out the words for you too while you read it? You asked for a citation, there it is. Read it or dont. Jesus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 05:27 AM |
| 0 | Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?UVA has a big department devoted to just collecting and analyzing relationship stats every year. http://nationalmarriageproject.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/NMP-BeforeIDoReport-Final.pdf | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 05:11 AM |
| 0 | Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?You’d probably be wrong. Couples that met and married early have much lower divorce rates and better self-reported sex lives than people who shopped around into their 30s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:36 AM |
| 1 | Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?Settle is the operative word. Women never getting with anyone beyond 30 isn’t the ‘truism’ you speak of as others have pointed out, it’s that they’re settling for less desirable but more stable men. This tends to unfortunately create instability later in life when boredom sets in though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:35 AM |
| 2 | Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?There are 3 tiers to this. The first is observation, the second is the biological/psychological explanation for such observation, and the third is usually an emotional response in lieu of the former. I will agree that there’s no need to even pay heed to the third tier that you see which is sadly what 90% of the sub is, but hey dudes need to vent too. With that said though, the science is far more sound than you give credit for. I said elsewhere you should look into David Buss. It’s a good start … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:17 AM |
| 4 | Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?If you think that’s all evo psych is you clearly have not read any papers in the field. I recommend anything by David Buss as a good primer on human mate choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:12 AM |
| 1 | Women, what do you think WE get wrong about you?Evolution is the only thing that explains sexual dimorphism. It literally cannot be anything but evolution. The question is only “what pressure selected for it”, and the need for men to be stronger for hunting and fighting stature is the most obvious and supported answer in the literature. Second-hand from that is that the best hunters and fighters would naturally have the most resources to share with mates. It’s actually quite simple, so simple that virtually every evolutionary biologist would … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/21 04:04 AM |
| 6 | VR Porn - "Some experts believe it makes sex so satisfying, men who find it hard to connect with women in real life, might give up completely and happily settle for VR porn as a substitute for real life experiences."Having used a cheap as fuck google cardboard setup with headphones I can safely say that yes it seems to. Most of what clues me in that a woman desires me are things like her tone, breathing patterns, and some of the more subtle physical cues (like flushing) that you don’t really pick up on in 2D non-stereo surround porn. VR is extremely convincing. I imagine the reason prostitutes don’t really cut it is just because they’re not great actors. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 10:08 PM |
| 4 | VR Porn - "Some experts believe it makes sex so satisfying, men who find it hard to connect with women in real life, might give up completely and happily settle for VR porn as a substitute for real life experiences."I think it’ll eventually be most. There are a ton of men that in spite of doing fine with women just cannot be bothered to actually date them because it’s just not worth it. Almost all of my young male colleagues are like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 10:01 PM |
| 13 | VR Porn - "Some experts believe it makes sex so satisfying, men who find it hard to connect with women in real life, might give up completely and happily settle for VR porn as a substitute for real life experiences."Women have always been the primary victims of war | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 09:58 PM |
| 1 | Is the abnormal distribution of female attraction to males partly rooted in objective male qualities?I’m pretty sure when gay men rate men their rating also follow a bell curve. I recall seeing data along those lines, I’m sure someone here could find it. I don’t think this is about men objectively. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/21 02:50 PM |
| 1 | Does sleeping with someone really attractive for a period in your life ruin sex with other more average people?Yes it is. They use the word may because that’s their proposed explanation for their observations. The evidence supports that hypothesis. Using the word may is just standard scientific jargon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/21 02:42 PM |
| 2 | Does sleeping with someone really attractive for a period in your life ruin sex with other more average people?Jesus Christ I swear to god this conversation is frustrating to read. “Here’s published evidence of this occurring” “No” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/21 02:22 PM |
| 3 | Couples are happier when the woman is the more attractive of the pair.Exactly, that’s why what you’re trying to imply is flawed. What exactly about either of these studies do you think contradicts what black pillers say? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/21 10:31 PM |
| 3 | Couples are happier when the woman is the more attractive of the pair.I’m not assuming anything, I’m telling you what the limitations of the studies are. You’re the one assuming that these results imply men are happier being beta buxxes when that’s not covered by any of your evidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/21 10:27 PM |
| 7 | Couples are happier when the woman is the more attractive of the pair.They’re happier having hot wives, they’re not happier that they’re basically slaves for it. What you’ve done to draw that conclusion is try to create a narrative between 2 very different studies that say different things. What these studies show are that: Men are happier with more attractive women and Women with less attractive men get to be lazy and they say they’re happier for it All I can say to both of those conclusions is “Well no shit” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/21 10:14 PM |
| 8 | Couples are happier when the woman is the more attractive of the pair.There’s not a deviation, that’s what you don’t get and I don’t see how you’re missing it. This is literally as black pilled as science gets. This study shows that you have to be hot or your woman will get lazy and demanding. Black pillers will be the first to tell you that dating an attractive woman if you’re unattractive yourself is a one way ticket to indentured servitude. The fact that these women report being happier doesn’t mean jack shit. The Red Pill and Black Pill movements are about wha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/21 10:11 PM |
| 5 | I don't think dating AI or sex robots can change the dating market as we know it today and will not help lonely sexless men.Let’s be real, it’s not even just unattractive men that can’t get laid that are fed up with women and dating in general. I’m surrounded by young handsome dudes in the tech sector and in the last few years they’ve become more misogynistic than the average incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/21 10:53 PM |
| 1 | I don't think dating AI or sex robots can change the dating market as we know it today and will not help lonely sexless men.I don’t know man, there are a growing number of men that find modern women and dating in general insufferable, and it’s not because they’re not fine dudes. At first it’ll be taboo but it’ll probably catch on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/21 10:37 PM |
| 9 | Women act like men when they switch seats at speed datingI already linked a paper elsewhere that details why. I know it’s long, I know it’s boring, but read it. It summarizes everything you need to know about human sexual behaviour without needing to take an intro evolutionary biology course. It explains why men are more visual and why women seek intimacy and status, etc over just appearance. You cannot explain one set of behaviours by pointing at another. You need to get to the source of these behaviours. I’ll give you a hint before you read it thoug… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 03:36 PM |
| 13 | Women act like men when they switch seats at speed datingYeah not much can really be drawn from this except that people are susceptible to minor psychological manipulation when their default environment changes. It’s not really surprising either. The question OP needs to examine is why is men pursuing and women choosing the almost always the default human tendency and what can be drawn from that. I don’t think they actually want the answer though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 03:08 PM |
| 5 | Women act like men when they switch seats at speed datingThere are literal decades of research on human sexual behaviour. There’s no excuse to be this willfully ignorant to it. This paper provides a good summary and starting point. http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 03:01 PM |
| 1 | Left-wing Gaslighting: “Women with few if any prior partners are MORE likely to cheat than women that have sown”Oh okay, since you said so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/21 03:42 PM |
| 1 | If casual sex suddenly became readily available to you, (same way it is to women) how much time would you now devote to having sex? If you're currently in a relationship, would you drop her?Not much would change for me. A quality relationship is harder to find than casual sex and I don’t really enjoy anything casual anymore. I’d probably take advantage of it the same way I do now, every month or two when I really feel like I need to get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/21 02:50 PM |
| 0 | Left-wing Gaslighting: “Women with few if any prior partners are MORE likely to cheat than women that have sown”For all intents and purposes they’re the same argument. The motive is exactly the same, to convince men that high n-count women make just fine wives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/21 02:39 PM |
| 6 | Left-wing Gaslighting: “Women with few if any prior partners are MORE likely to cheat than women that have sown”I’ve seen both arguments. Giving you the benefit of the doubt though, the idea that it doesn’t make a difference and that n-count and infidelity aren’t correlated is also wrong and just as destructive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/21 04:08 AM |
| 17 | Left-wing Gaslighting: “Women with few if any prior partners are MORE likely to cheat than women that have sown”It comes up literally every time n-count is mentioned. “Why does her past matter?” Well, this. This is why it matters. It’s not surprising to any man with his eyes open either, despite all the gaslighting we get about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/21 03:50 AM |
| 0 | (Most of) TRP and men who want a traditional submissive partner don't really know what they are asking for.Any low six figure salary would be enough to provide a decent lifestyle. Don’t get me wrong I could care less for a trad wife, but it’s not all that much to ask for the top 10%ish of earners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/21 09:20 PM |
| 2 | RedPill Men, Do You Believe that People Can Uhhhh Love Each Other?Sure they can, but it’s becoming increasingly rare. More and more every year people (mostly women) fall prey to the incorrect idea that love is a feeling rather than a choice that you need to make over and over again. Marriage is a dying institution and dating or maintaining a healthy relationship in general is something fewer and fewer people can manage to do successfully. In case you haven’t realized, this realization is what leads men to the red pill, they don’t get there and then start belie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/21 10:04 PM |
| 0 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?They do react the same. But men are socialized in different ways than women are, so they are reacting to different pressures. You've got that backwards. It's the same pressure, social approval. Men face the same judgement of their living space that women do. We just don't care as much. So it's the same pressure, but a different reaction. Why is that? It’s a lot easier to combine work and fatherhood because less engagement is expected of fathers than mothers, and we don’t attach household tasks l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 06:56 PM |
| 0 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?Standards of cleanliness are hugely variable. We don’t engage in cleaning because we are reacting to a disgust response — that actually might make us want to clean less It would depend on the level of disgust, wouldn't it? Is it better to deal with something when it's not that disgusting or better to wait until it's well and thoroughly disgusting to the point that you just wouldn't do it? Why would you say that there a fewer female garbage collector's, if not because that's beyond the threshold … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?Nah, men are just lazier and are willing to tolerate higher levels of uncleanliness. Lazier, no, but yes we are far less sensitive to disgust which means we're okay with letting the filth build up whereas women are not. That's exactly what I was getting at. The only thing we disagree on is that it's social. I believe it's a more fundamental psychological difference. Not something that was socially learned and can be easily unlearned. Oh by the way, you didnt answer my questions. What makes you s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 05:44 PM |
| 2 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?That's probably the exact reason men don't scrub their toilets as often. It takes a lot more to disgust us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 05:38 PM |
| 0 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?But surely if you can escape that demand, it means others can, yes? What is preventing other women from choosing not to have children or choosing a high paying profession so that they can pay someone else to do their domestic chores? What makes you special? Do you have more agency than most other women? Women don’t scrub way more toilets than men because they enjoy scrubbing toilets. Few people really enjoy any kind of labour, but I'll bet that women are less averse to scrubbing toilets than men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 05:34 PM |
| -1 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?Yes, society demands women do it, because men won’t do it, and it has to get done. It demands it of women, but not of you? How does that work? How did you escape this demand? Equality of opportunity very rarely results in equality of outcome. Why would it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 05:12 PM |
| 0 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?Men treat women as pawns in their competition with other men. How so? If women were offered compensation for their housework, do you think they’d turn it down? Would anyone ever turn down money for something that they'd do willingly without pay? Like, would I turn down money for showering or shaving? Hell no. But also, most of those women are compensated in a sense, because their partners have to make enough money to allow that lifestyle to begin with, and most women in such positions make most … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 04:49 PM |
| 2 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?Ah, so she was sharing these photos on the internet, but wanted them to remain among her friends. How did her male friend know the guys on the site? Circulating private photos Nothing on the internet is private. It is harassment, and it's not okay, but they weren't private. targeted harassment that goes well beyond normal workplace hostilities See I don't know if it does go beyond that, workplace hostilities can get pretty intense and it's a problem everyone faces. If my only concern about my wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 04:40 PM |
| 4 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?No, women are not sending this signal. Yes they are. Women by and large refuse to date/marry someone who earns less than them or has at least achieved the same level of education. Men compete amongst each other because that's what we have to do to earn the attention of a woman. Literally no one would “choose” boring, thankless, mundane work if they had other options, and no one would choose not to be paid for their work if they had other options. Women do, all the damn time, provided their husba… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 04:24 PM |
| 4 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?Why is that a problem exactly? Did she post those herself? How did these men get ahold of them? Why is it a problem that they were looking at them if they were public? On another note, do you also think men don’t critique each other and play for dominance in the work place all the time? These are problems everyone face. Women aren’t special, though they are maybe more fragile if these are considered ‘hostile’ conditions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 03:57 PM |
| 1 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?And the fact that men who do that work willingly (assuming you’re talking about homemaking and child rearing) and looked down upon in disgust by most women, no? The signal men get from women is that they’d rather do the unpaid work and let men do the high paying work. Like I said, if you want a high paying job then get in line, we’re not going to stop you. If you want a husband to stay at home and do your dishes then that’s okay too, but don’t be surprised at your complete lack of sexual interes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 03:54 PM |
| 3 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?If you want to be a garbage collector or a brick layer or a roughneck then get in line. There’s nothing keeping women from doing all the super high paying manual labour jobs except women’s lack of interest in it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 03:33 PM |
| 11 | Are men not self sufficient or are women purposefully humbling those that are?That’s essentially what the pink tax is, yes. Women make easy targets for corporations to charge more because they’re more susceptible to marketing ploys and buzzwords, when a cheaper product without all of that would meet the need just fine. There’s a reason men buy 2-in-1 and women don’t, and it’s not because it won’t clean and condition their hair just as well, but because they’ve been convinced by corporate propaganda that it won’t. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/21 03:30 PM |
| 7 | The average woman is more attractive than the average manNo it’s not, it’s comparing how gay men rate straight men and how straight women rate straight men. If the straight men were the issue (and not women just having higher standards) you’d expect them to rate similarly. They don’t. It’s actually the perfect comparison. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/21 05:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There's not much proof behind the "80/20" rule.This is probably the best start: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2011.0290 And "family input" usually meant father's permission or just father choosing a husband And the mother’s. Do not believe the modern lie that patriarchal norms were all-encompassing. Men and women were extremely cooperative until just recently. It was common for men to ask for permission from the father but it wasn’t a unilateral decision, there was always input from other family members, including aunts… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/21 04:49 PM |
| 13 | [Q4ALL]What are your thoughts on the idea of “post nut clarity”?I’ve had it after hooking up with girls that until that point I actually thought I was interested in. Go out on a few dates, have a good time, finally get her back to mine, then after sex you just get hit by the sudden realization that you’ve been duped by your libido. You don’t actually have anything in common, you don’t actually think she’s all that smart or interesting or funny, you were just playing along. It’s not a good feeling at all. You feel like an asshole, and for good reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/21 04:21 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There's not much proof behind the "80/20" rule.Anthropological data suggest most reproduction was consensual, just due to how social and dependent on kinship we are. Rape happened of course but it was risky because the perpetrator risked being murdered or exiled by the woman’s family. and also that we know that during most of our written history women didn't really choose their husbands For starters this is not entirely true, arranged marriages tended to be reserved for nobility. For most people courtship was the normal process, but it did i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/21 04:06 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There's not much proof behind the "80/20" rule.Yeah it is different, I said it was, but it’s probably closer to 80/20 in non-natural environments like the one created by OLD. The OP talks about male attractiveness, not about reproduction rates among men and women. Reproduction rates are the best genetic or historical proxy that we have for studying something like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/21 03:31 PM |
| 4 | CMV: There's not much proof behind the "80/20" rule.What? No, this is exactly the type of thing that is studied by evolutionary biologists. It’s sexual selection 101. The sex that incurs more risk during reproduction is always the choosier sex. For what it’s worth though, genetic data shows it’s probably closer to 80/40 than 80/20 in natural settings. “An analysis of the genetic diversity of exclusively male and female parts of human DNA suggest that human females have reproduced 2 to 17 times as often as males. While the sex ratio of branches on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/21 02:47 AM |
| 31 | Does showing money on Instagram story’s actually work towards female HyperTalk?No, at least not to women that don’t openly acknowledge that they’re gold diggers, but if you show off a lifestyle that’s an indicator of financial success it will. Women don’t care about numbers, they care about experiences. Example; most women don’t give a shit if you have a video of yourself benching 250 lbs, but they do respond well to being lifted or being thrown around with ease. They love muscular men, but only in the context of how it affects them. Same with wealth, but just being wealth… | /r/TheRedPill | 03/04/21 07:44 PM |
| 1 | In your life, how high is "getting fe/male attention" ranked in terms of importance? What things in life do you consider more important than getting fe/male attention?I pretty much follow Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs on this one, so in terms of overall importance it’s about halfway up. One thing I can say personally is that I’ve never really struggled in many of the other areas. My shit is pretty well put together in my career, with friends, family, physical health, etc. The one area where I need to finally cap off my life and reach fulfillment is probably via building a family, so I place a lot of importance on it right now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/21 02:41 PM |
| 2 | Redpill is the fastest way to scare women away.No, it definitely doesn’t hinder short term success. It can absolutely hinder longterm satisfaction for the men that stay in the anger phase though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/21 02:28 PM |
| 4 | Here is the OkCupid DataOh THAT’S what you meant? That was hyperbole who gives a shit. I thought you were trying to challenge the point I was making. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/21 12:51 AM |
| 6 | Here is the OkCupid DataDo you have access to the raw data? The data is represented proportionally, there’s no indication what the total number of messages sent for each group is. Based on what anyone who’s ever used online dating should know, men are sending far more messages than women are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/21 12:18 AM |
| 11 | Here is the OkCupid DataFor the most part women don’t bother messaging first in the first place, so when they do it’s because they’re realistically certain they’re in the money. Men understand that dating apps are a straight up numbers game. If we message 200 of the hottest women we matched with a solid message there’s a good chance at least 1 will reply because she’s been recently abused by some dickhead and is willing to settle for a funny dude who’s less attractive than she’s used to. It’s the beta game, and it’s wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/21 11:22 PM |
| 2 | Describe a 5/10 man and a 5/10 womanI think it’s pretty obvious I wasn’t talking about bodybuilders. Thick/curvy pretty much taps out at a BMI of ~27 before it just becomes ‘fat’. If you like fat bitches it’s cool and all, but yeah it’s not for me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/21 01:30 PM |
| 5 | [Q4M] If you couldn’t have sex with your wife/partner ever again, would you still choose to be with them?No, they can’t. I’m originally from a town of 2000 people, there’s exactly 1 therapist in town and they charge $200 a session and don’t even specialize on couples. I could probably afford it myself but I’m not inclined to offer unless it seems like it’s really tearing them apart. They wouldnt accept until then, and maybe wouldn’t even then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 08:21 PM |
| 2 | Describe a 5/10 man and a 5/10 womanAmong the average populace (men that fall somewhere within the bell curves that aren’t extreme outliers) they are independent. I don’t know if there’s ever been a study done exclusively on men 6’5” and up for example, so it’s hard to say if that applies to absolute units like Shaq for example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 08:16 PM |
| 3 | [Q4M] If you couldn’t have sex with your wife/partner ever again, would you still choose to be with them?I didn’t ask. I guess it could work but it would probably take a lot more than normal. When my dad brought it up he wasn’t really asking for advice on how they could have sex again but rather emotional support for coping with their dying sex life. I think he just wanted me to tell him that he’s not a bad guy for being upset and frustrated about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 07:02 PM |
| 8 | [Q4M] If you couldn’t have sex with your wife/partner ever again, would you still choose to be with them?They can’t comfortably afford therapy. Even if they could, I don’t see it as a boundary issue. We’re all mature adults. I’m the direct product of their sex life, seems a little immature to me to need to pretend like they’re non-sexual beings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 06:33 PM |
| 1 | Red Pill Coaches don’t seem to follow their own adviceI don’t consider any of these guys prophets or coaches, and if I did I would still not expect them to live up to their own advice perfectly. They’re just men, old men at this point, sharing their experiences and trying to make a buck off them. Aside from that they all seem to be doing reasonably well for themselves. People like you can't be convinced because they demand impossible things to be convinced. I haven’t demanded anything, you just seem really desperate to hate on red pill men and thei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 05:34 PM |
| 6 | [Q4M] If you couldn’t have sex with your wife/partner ever again, would you still choose to be with them?Yeah I know, and to be fair it’s probably out of the ordinary, but they’re just people. There’s no reason they shouldn’t talk about it if they need support. They can’t afford therapy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 04:58 PM |
| 13 | [Q4M] If you couldn’t have sex with your wife/partner ever again, would you still choose to be with them?Because they’re both extremely depressed about it and confided that in their adult son hoping for some emotional support | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 04:34 PM |
| 8 | [Q4M] If you couldn’t have sex with your wife/partner ever again, would you still choose to be with them?No. My dad is somewhat in the unfortunate scenario described above. Mom had breast cancer and the chemo ruined her ability to lubricate. They haven’t had sex in a couple years now and it’s definitely taking it’s toll on both of them, dad especially though, even in spite of being able to do oral and things like that. They’ve been married 26 years though, so they don’t know anything else and divorce just isn’t worth it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 04:26 PM |
| 10 | Describe a 5/10 man and a 5/10 womanYeah exactly, if that’s the bare minimum it’s no wonder they’re all so miserable lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 03:49 PM |
| 15 | Describe a 5/10 man and a 5/10 womanWhere does she live where the average height and dick size is 6’ and 6”? Scandinavia maybe? In North America those are both like 80th percentile, and you’re compounding them, so 20% of men have one, but only 4% have both. Add income into the mix and you see where this is going. I’m not really mad that the standard exists because I check 2 of 3 boxes at least, but she’s delusional thinking that’s anywhere near average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 03:42 PM |
| 3 | Describe a 5/10 man and a 5/10 womanNo it’s not, not if it’s predominantly fat tissue. If you take an average 5’4” woman with an otherwise healthy BMI and then add 50 lbs she will by then be on the cusp of obesity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Describe a 5/10 man and a 5/10 womanChubby. Body is much more important to overall rating imo. I’m not rating someone who’s 50 lbs overweight any higher than a 3 no matter how pretty their face is. Edit: I see I angered the chubby women who think they’re hot shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 03:08 PM |
| 1 | Red Pill Coaches don’t seem to follow their own adviceYou’d rather I lie and pretend like I can police the behaviour of other men on the internet? What about my above statement leaves out common sense or is an admission that the entirety of red pill doesn’t work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 02:06 PM |
| 1 | Red Pill Coaches don’t seem to follow their own adviceEven then, psychology is always evolving and previously believed concepts are often find to be incorrect or lacking in the future That doesn't mean we shouldn't bother with the data we have. Lotta red pill guys treat it like gospel without applying critical thinking or nuance. So what? No really, why should anyone care? Every single person on the planet has extreme flaws and areas where they're shortsighted. That includes you and me. Red pill philosophy isn't a cult where you must do or do not d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 03:02 AM |
| 0 | Red Pill Coaches don’t seem to follow their own adviceHuman beings and psychology are not nuanced to the point that our behaviour cannot be somewhat explained and generalized via observed population level differences though, do you disagree? If so, then why does the field of psychology even exist for example? Besides that, what does this even have to do with what I asked of the above user? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 02:17 AM |
| 1 | Red Pill Coaches don’t seem to follow their own adviceWhy is it pointless? He’s right. Someone not following their own advice doesn’t make it bad advice if it works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 01:00 AM |
| 12 | Would you date a pagan/wicca girl?Anyone seriously into astrology is just signalling that they have a sub-100 IQ and lack critical thinking skills. No thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/21 12:55 AM |
| 1 | Unattractive nerds should try to hit on intelligent womenI don’t think that’s exclusive to women. I do the exact same thing. Not many people are willing to date someone that they feel zero attraction to. The reason it’s hard to maximize the two is because it’s genuinely rare. My dating pool consists of maybe 1% or less of the women in the appropriate age bracket. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/21 01:29 PM |
| 1 | Unattractive nerds should try to hit on intelligent womenAttractive and intelligent women like the ones I’m interested in don’t have to settle for just one, that was my point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/21 11:25 PM |
| 1 | Unattractive nerds should try to hit on intelligent womenWhat personality problem? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/21 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Unattractive nerds should try to hit on intelligent womenI think it’s just the case that personality cannot make up for the lack of attraction, which is totally fine by me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/21 04:49 PM |
| 4 | On a scale of 1-10 how proud of yourself/happy do you feel if your wife/gf is hotter than another man's wife/gf?I don’t really care, she’s hot no matter who you put her next to. I suppose I might care if she were ugly in comparison, but then I wouldn’t be with her. What does make me happy is how obedient she is in bed and how much she genuinely loves to please me. I don’t think many men are that lucky. I had been around a lot before I met her, how good a woman is in bed is usually not tied to looks. Women who are both super hot and legitimately great in bed are rare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/21 04:46 PM |
| 1 | Would a UBI solve the dating problems, or make it worse?I don’t think UBI is economically sustainable. There’s no good way to balance the amount of inflationary pressure it causes with deflationary pressure, unless you’re cool just keeping the economy in a constant recession where wealth inequality is less of an issue because everyone is equally poor. With that said, I don’t think anyone can accurately predict what it would do to the dating market. I imagine it would eliminate the role of men as providers even more which would only further the divide… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/21 04:32 PM |
| 11 | Unattractive nerds should try to hit on intelligent womenThat’s wisdom, not really intelligence. The smartest person I know is literally like a human calculator and he’s autistic and arrogant af about his IQ. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/21 03:42 PM |
| 2 | Unattractive nerds should try to hit on intelligent womenI used to be an unattractive nerd. For LTRs I’m only attracted to women who are about on par with me. I never had success until my glow up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/21 03:36 PM |
| 1 | The men who had harems were rich and powerful, not merely hot and charming (or AT ALL).Men had actual harem BECAUSE he had status (money and power). Right, that’s what I’m saying. I never said having the harem is what conferred status, you’re correct that it’s the other way around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/21 11:27 PM |
| 1 | The men who had harems were rich and powerful, not merely hot and charming (or AT ALL).Fuck buddies and hookups are status-neutral and don’t explain why this type of behaviour is reserved for all but the most successful men. The term harem is used because it implies dominance over other men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/21 11:03 PM |
| 1 | The men who had harems were rich and powerful, not merely hot and charming (or AT ALL).It’s an appropriate use of the term. Or can you think of a single better word for a group of say 5+ women all sleeping with the same man, sometimes knowingly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/21 08:25 PM |
| 2 | The men who had harems were rich and powerful, not merely hot and charming (or AT ALL).The only one assuming ‘harem’ is being used with the literal ecological definition is you, and you’ve been corrected multiple times throughout this thread. If you want to get real technical, traditionally the word harem refers to the room in a Muslim household where the women stay. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/03/21 03:30 PM |
| 10 | The men who had harems were rich and powerful, not merely hot and charming (or AT ALL).Cool deflection. You mean like the Duke lacrosse team? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 08:00 PM |
| 12 | The men who had harems were rich and powerful, not merely hot and charming (or AT ALL).You ever hang out with frat guys? My whole friend group back in university had girls on rotation like this. Sometimes the same girl was sleeping with all of us. Eskimo brothers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 07:52 PM |
| 33 | The men who had harems were rich and powerful, not merely hot and charming (or AT ALL).You don’t believe there are guys out there sleeping with up to 5 different women on rotation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 04:22 PM |
| 6 | Q4W: Why do you like being submissive?Can only answer on behalf of my girlfriend, but she’s said it’s because it makes her feel safe and secure. It takes a lot of the burden of everyday life off her shoulders, at the cost of needing to trust me to take care of it for the both of us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 05:06 AM |
| 2 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedExactly, it’s just not clear from that line of questioning in my opinion. Interestingly, their definition of rape did very clearly make it known that it referred to unwanted sex acts specifically, just not in the questioning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 02:29 AM |
| 3 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedhttps://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf Need to scroll down to Appendix C to read the survey they administered. The question on drunkenness does not make it clear that they were only looking for answers on unwanted sex while effectively incapacitated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 01:22 AM |
| 2 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedRight, too drunk to consent. That was not the baseline for the study in question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 12:39 AM |
| 2 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedwomen gossiping = men beating is what you are saying? When I was in high school a young girl committed suicide because of gossip. There are tiers of abuse. Sometimes psychological and emotional abuse is in fact on par with the damage caused by physical or sexual abuse. It’s not black and white. I don’t understand what issues you are having getting enthusiastic consent of those girls are telling you they are into it? Because in some cases it was impossible to tell they were really into it until a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 12:37 AM |
| 6 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedAnd yet it remains an important question because there have been other studies on college aged women where they reported similar figures simply because a large number of women reported having sex while drunk. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 12:22 AM |
| 2 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedThat's not harmful to men to be left alone by someone who isn't up for engaging w them. I’m not concerned about men, I’m concerned about you. I’m legitimately saddened that you’re unwilling to engage with 50% of the population. I’ve been there, and it sucks. You can use enthusiastic consent as a guideline which means she is participating and you aren't initiating everything. That doesn’t work. It’s quite literally impossible to tell until the contact has already been initiated. I’ve been on awkw… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/21 12:19 AM |
| 5 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedBecause I also don’t have a distaste for all women knowing that they initiate 70% of divorces, that in spite of being breadwinners in 40% of marriages they receive 90% of alimony payments, etc etc. There’s plenty of bad things about the opposite sex that you could fixate on and let drive you mad, but that’s not productive or healthy. Like it or not you need to live with men, and treating us all as predators is not a good way to do that. You can discredit this study, but all of them? I’m not tryi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 11:48 PM |
| 4 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedDepends on the context. If I’m at a club and some girl has been giving me eyes all night and then does the come hither thing with her finger, then I have no problem walking over and putting my hands on her to dance. I’m not suggesting you can just grope strangers whenever you feel like, I’m saying context and subjectivity are important factors that always need to be considered in the realm of initiating sexual contact. What's my real agenda? It seems like you have an extreme distaste towards men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 11:15 PM |
| 4 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedI've never been groped by someone I wasn't dating and liked it so I don't know what that's like. I have, it’s alright. Like I said, depends on whether you’re happy about the initiation of sexual contact or not. Men are much less risk-averse about sexual contact because it’s not a life or death thing. I do understand. It is objectively bad. No it’s not. My experience alone invalidates that. It’s almost always bad, but that’s entirely subjective. It literally depends on how the subject feels about… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 11:03 PM |
| 6 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedWhere did I say groping isn’t bad? The extent to which it’s bad is determined by the one being groped. Ie. how unwanted is the groping? I’ve been groped and felt disgusting after, and I’ve also been groped and felt like a king. Generally yes groping is bad, but it’s not objectively bad the way rape is. It’s disingenuous to even compare the two in the same category. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 10:43 PM |
| 15 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedFor real. I had this discussion with a mixed group of friends at a party once. The women were complaining because every time they went to a club they inevitably got groped, and fair enough. Even my girlfriend at the time. I had to remind her we literally met because she pinched my ass at a bar. I guess it didn’t count because they just carried on whinging. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 10:37 PM |
| 11 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedHow are these terms defined? That’s the most important question. Do I believe that 1 in 3 women has been raped? No. Do I believe that 1 in 3 women has been sexually harassed or groped at a bar/club/wherever? Sure. Lumping all of those things together is extremely disingenuous though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 10:35 PM |
| 8 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedThis user won’t be happy until you just admit once and for all that all men are clearly evil. /s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 10:30 PM |
| 6 | Newest data from WHO: 1 in 3 women worldwide are assaultedAbused ninjas has me rolling | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 10:22 PM |
| 2 | Broad generalizations don’t work based on genderBroad generalizations do work at the population level. It’s about creating a schema, something that works probabilistically even if not deterministically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/21 07:58 PM |
| 1 | How to choose a wife according to the Red Pill?Anti-natalism, not nihilism, but the two usually go hand in hand and yeah they’re both a bunch of bullshit for sad fucks that can’t be bothered to do something with their lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/21 10:16 PM |
| 10 | How can men form intimate relationships with women while still appearing as the alpha male?Red pill theory works for whatever you’re trying to make it work for, you just need to use different parts of the theory for different contexts. You know dual mating strategy and AF/BB? Guess what, you can be both at the same time. Be an alpha, give her the tingles, let her be your own personal fucktoy if she’s into that, then be beta and cuddle the shit out of her after and if you love her tell her so. Good relationships require a balance of sexual attraction (alpha) and longterm comfort (beta)… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/21 12:44 PM |
| 1 | [Q4All]How/where do you think women should be getting their dating advice from?Why did she stop? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/21 11:47 PM |
| 1 | [Q4All]How/where do you think women should be getting their dating advice from?Sorry for your loss. Sounds like they were a good model of a healthy marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/21 11:36 PM |
| 6 | Would women consider a man with a low N-Count more desirable?I’ve never met a woman that cared what my n-count actually was. N-count is just a proxy for lifestyle anyway. To get at the heart of the question though, too low of an n-count as a man means you’re probably a loser (or just extremely religious, which can also be a qualifier or disqualifier on its own), whereas too high of an n-count means you’re probably not LTR material, but still worthy of a ONS. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/21 10:51 PM |
| 3 | [Q4All]How/where do you think women should be getting their dating advice from?Sounds like your parents are both pretty smart and successful. Are they still together and relatively happy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/21 10:38 PM |
| 0 | [Q4All]How/where do you think women should be getting their dating advice from?The thread is about dating advice, not sex advice. With that said though, it would be pretty juvenile if you were of adult age and could not talk to your parents openly about sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/21 10:37 PM |
| 2 | [Q4All]How/where do you think women should be getting their dating advice from?Their mothers, on the condition that they’re in a happy-enough stable relationship with their father that is not sexless. Edit: Barring that they probably need to figure it out on their own with the help of a psychologist. Therein lies the rub, healthy stable marriages are rare these days and women (and men) struggle to find good role models for their relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/21 09:04 PM |
| 1 | Men, would you take an offer of 1mil a month in exchange for never having sex or porn again?No | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/21 01:07 PM |
| 2 | How is casual sex degrading to you (if you do feel this way)?Probably yeah. I don’t exactly love going down on women for the act of it alone, but I love the experience of it because it seems really pleasurable. I’ve done it plenty of times only to realize I was out of condoms, never regretted it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/21 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: "We treat women and girls like training wheels to help boys and men grow up, and not as individuals with our own desires" Just how true is that statement?Definitely | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/21 09:08 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men who marry live longer and are healthier in generalProbably, yeah. The average middle-aged dude is schlubby as fuck. You can pretty easily tell how much someone cares about themselves by their appearance by their late twenties. If they’re not fit by then the chances they ever get fit are low. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/21 07:45 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: "We treat women and girls like training wheels to help boys and men grow up, and not as individuals with our own desires" Just how true is that statement?Yeah, they’re part of it, didn’t say they weren’t. But order also refers to the tendency to organize in hierarchical structures, the ability to control the environment, etc etc. I think you’re getting too hung up on the assumption that chaos has a negative connotation. An excess of chaos can be harmful for sure, but chaos is also potential. Creating art, music, writing, etc are all processes that turn chaotic potential into things of insane value. Anyway, the point was never to claim men are all… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/21 12:45 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: "We treat women and girls like training wheels to help boys and men grow up, and not as individuals with our own desires" Just how true is that statement?I don’t know that he’s ever commented on it. Probably not something he would recommend for longterm satisfaction though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/21 12:42 PM |
| 15 | CMV: Men who marry live longer and are healthier in generalCame here to say this. Directionality has never been established. I also take issue with this line: There is a reason why the stereotype of bachelors is often of someone who is kind of unkempt and curmudgeonly. I’ve never thought the stereotype this way. Certainly not for young bachelors, and even when I imagine an old bachelor I usually imagine someone who’s just too wild to have ever settled down. I suppose the unkempt thing would apply but not the curmudgeonly or pot bellied thing OP mentione… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 10:42 PM |
| 1 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?Obviously there are trade offs. They’re forced to follow a dual mating strategy only because it’s extremely rare for individual men to exhibit both traits that make them sexy (indicators of strong genes) and traits that make them good caretakers. They can’t really help that either, a huge part of the variance there is literally dictated by hormones and which part of their menstrual cycle they’re on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 09:45 PM |
| 0 | Q4All: "We treat women and girls like training wheels to help boys and men grow up, and not as individuals with our own desires" Just how true is that statement?Chaos refers to much more than cleanliness and organization, and I think you know that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 09:40 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: "We treat women and girls like training wheels to help boys and men grow up, and not as individuals with our own desires" Just how true is that statement?No, I think he believes that symbolically throughout historic literature and religious teachings femininity has been represented symbolically as chaos while masculinity has been represented as order, and he’s correct about that. I should also add that he does not assign value preference to either chaos or order. His entire message is that imbalance between the two is what causes issues. Growth occurs when you can step out into the chaotic unknown without leaving all sense of order behind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 07:55 PM |
| 4 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?Polygamy and wealth inequality are both destabilizing factors. No society with extremes of both will be stable enough to survive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 05:42 PM |
| 3 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?Yes, women have higher standards but it’s not as easy as just lowering the standards. The reason their standards are higher is evolution, it’s literally hardwired because for a woman picking a poor mate was a life or death scenario for her and potential children. Being willing to settle somewhat can literally be a privilege. Women will only do so when they get extremely desperate, and even then some do not and just decide to adopt 10 cats and pretend like they haven’t failed to live up to their … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 04:57 PM |
| 2 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?Agreed, but men are more willing to settle. I’m just saying we don’t have evolutionarily built in female perceptions where settling = you and your kids possibly starve. It’s not as big a deal to us, settling is actually a viable option whereas to women it’s not until they’re extremely desperate. Sure they should adapt, but that’s easier said than done. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 03:24 PM |
| 1 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?The SRY gene and differentiation right? It’s cool stuff. Dicks are just oversized clits and the scrotum is just huge labia stitched together. It even has the seam :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 05:21 AM |
| 1 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?What’s your overall take from it so far? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 04:48 AM |
| 12 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?It’s easy to find a quality guy from the male standard of quality. The female standard is much higher, and there are reasons for that which make it hard for me to chastise them. There are plenty of decent and okay dudes out there, unfortunately for men being just okay doesn’t really cut it when the female standard is literally whether or not your genes should make it into the next generation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 04:46 AM |
| 2 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?That’s the nicest thing you’ve ever said <3 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 03:53 AM |
| 2 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?What’s it about? Would you recommend? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 12:05 AM |
| 0 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.You think I’m not a part of it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/21 12:03 AM |
| 3 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?It certainly can be | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 10:59 PM |
| 4 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?My friends don’t have issues with women either once they get dates, it’s just harder to get dates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 10:38 PM |
| 25 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?She cray | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 10:33 PM |
| 6 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?You’re denying my reality just as much as I’m denying yours. The only difference is I don’t really have issues with the women I date, so yeah I consider my take more objective. This is literally the definition of gaslighting Lol it’s not gaslighting if it’s true. You seem outright deranged. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 10:32 PM |
| 6 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?Well it’s certainly not going to help. Maybe something was off and instead of figuring out what it was you just went deeper down the rabbit hole. I sympathize with you, I do. Dating blows. The only thing I’ve ever found to help was a healthy dose of introspection, no matter how painful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 10:17 PM |
| 5 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?Don’t act like you’re the only one that can rely on anecdotal experience. The reason I don’t think this is the case is because I’m friends with dozens of average dudes and they all treat women well when they get the chance. Cut the crying routine sweetheart, nobody is gaslighting you, I just don’t believe that you and all of your friends are being objective. You’ve demonstrated quite well all over this thread that you’re not the most emotionally stable. If you’re having this issue with all men, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 10:15 PM |
| 17 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?I'm in rad fem circles I think you just diagnosed the issue right there. Not even average men are willing to put up with that level of toxicity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 10:10 PM |
| 10 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?I think you may have a skewed picture of what constitutes average or a skewed picture of what constitutes being treated poorly. For women with unrealistic standards I find it’s often both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 10:08 PM |
| 7 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?I don’t think they generally do. Most average men are simps, they worship the ground women walk on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 10:04 PM |
| 28 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?What the hell are you even talking about at this point? Where did I say any of this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 09:10 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.I’m not saying men are more emotionally supportive than women, what are you even on about? What I said is that most of the time when men need support they confide in male friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 09:10 PM |
| 38 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?That’s not a gendered phenomenon, ask any man if they’ve ever felt disposable and you’ll get a resounding thunderous YES. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 09:05 PM |
| 100 | Do men or women have a better understanding of the average dating experience of the other gender?Hard to say. I think the average man knows it’s very easy for women to get dates, but underestimate how hard it is to find a quality guy to keep dating. I don’t think the average woman has any idea how hard dating is for the average man, just none whatsoever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 08:36 PM |
| 0 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.Nonsense. The vast majority of doms are men while most subs are women. To be fair, there are more male subs than there are female doms, and switching is becoming more of a thing lately. I've seen more men being more vocal about how they want to be dominated than those who loudly claim to want to dominate. And I call bullshit. Go take a look at the bdsm sub and let me know how many posts with male subs you see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 08:14 PM |
| 1 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.What surprise? Also is your username a Bloodborne reference | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 04:26 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.That is not my experience whatsoever, nor the experience of any of the men I know save for probably my dad but he doesn’t confide in anyone so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 04:15 PM |
| 3 | Why do you think about the men who wife up murderous and outright criminal women?Yes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 03:39 PM |
| 4 | Why do you think about the men who wife up murderous and outright criminal women?Hybristophilia as a term is non-gendered, so yes male hybristophilia is a thing. It’s much rarer though. I think men are just generally less risk averse and don’t care as much, but that’s not the same as seeking out extremely violent women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 03:30 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.I don’t hide when something bad happens, I deal with it in a calm and rational manner. Like I said, that’s what stoicism is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 03:20 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.That is completely false. The only people men tend to really confide in when they need help are their closest male friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 03:13 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.I’m plenty comfortable being vulnerable, it’s just never panned out well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 06:03 AM |
| 2 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.And? Are less wealthy people necessarily crazy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 02:35 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.Why does it make you sad? I’ve found something that actually works. What’s sad is when men cling to the idea that it can sustainably be any other way and go through one failed relationship after another not knowing what they’re doing wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 02:32 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.Your first reply was about how it’s normal masculine behaviour to commit suicide or not go to the doctor. I reject that. That is not normal masculinity, that is the failed perception of what masculinity is. That’s all I’ve been saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 02:27 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.Right, you can deal with negative emotions without displaying them, that’s what stoicism is. I don’t need to trust my girlfriend to react well to my emotions, they’re my responsibility and I deal with them with my therapist and friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 02:23 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.There is no logical extension from what I originally said to the idea that healthy masculinity is still what is considered “toxic masculinity”. I didn’t say you said that. This is what you said Toxic masculinity as the term was originally phrased wasn’t about healthy masculinity at all. That is not possible, because toxic masculinity by definition has to be related to otherwise healthy masculinity, because it’s the antithesis of it. I’m not arguing it’s an unfair term, I’m arguing toxic masculin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 02:19 AM |
| 7 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.Vulnerability has never brought me closer to a woman who isn’t my mother. I have enough experience in that realm to doubt very strongly that a relationship needs it in any serious capacity (deaths in the family notwithstanding) and seeking help elsewhere for general emotional issues has saved me from many discussions that I know would only have damaged my relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 02:13 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.I’m arguing because the logical extension of your previous comment did not make sense. Anything that is not toxic masculinity but is still masculine is healthy masculinity. That’s what I mean when I say the terms are intrinsically related. I agree that higher male suicide rates have something to do with toxic masculinity, I already said that. I’m rejecting that those things are actually masculine at all, so toxic masculinity is just a poorly integrated understanding of what masculine behaviour a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 02:06 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.The opposite of toxic masculinity is healthy masculinity, no? It’s implicitly related to the term by exclusion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 01:52 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.By enjoying positive emotions together. Showing vulnerability, negative emotion, has no benefit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 01:50 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.Well yes, because toxic masculinity is just the failure to actually understand and embrace healthy masculinity. Suicide may in fact be linked with toxic masculinity, but that doesn’t mean it’s stereotypically masculine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 01:40 AM |
| 1 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.That’s a better more elaborated version of what I was trying to get at | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 01:34 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.I did say almost always, didn’t I? Besides, these are huge false equivalencies. Suicide isn’t masculine, stoicism is. Throwing tantrums isn’t masculine either, restraint is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 01:33 AM |
| 11 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.You’re right, it’s not healthy to act like you’re above stress. It’s also not helpful to relationships with women. I cannot think of a single scenario where I showed vulnerability in front of a woman and it didn’t come back to bite me in the ass. I guess what I’m getting at then is that male vulnerability is okay, but should be reserved for extremely close male friends, family, or better yet a therapist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 01:23 AM |
| 7 | CMV: Men need to embrace “toxic masculinity” if they wish to be successful in life.Stereotypically masculine qualities are almost always advantageous, or at the very least not acting in that manner is almost always disadvantageous. There are some exceptions. It’s okay to cry at a funeral for example, but that’s one of the few times where it’s not extremely disadvantageous for a man to be seen crying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/21 01:19 AM |
| 1 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.Might be on to something, but I’m not sure if it’s the violence they’re drawn to but rather the danger or the power like you said. It’s like a more extreme version of classic harlequin romance tropes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 11:44 PM |
| 1 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.Only when the men are in jail. Hybristophilia as a phenomena is not just about sex, it’s about the strange attraction to dangerous people. Men haven’t really exhibited that behaviour and I think it’s a cop out to claim it’s because it’s not likely to get them laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 10:50 PM |
| 1 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.I’ve known women who dated some pretty hardened convicts yeah. They were generally lower class but aside from that nothing out of the ordinary mental health-wise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 10:47 PM |
| 4 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.Yes, suggesting that there are so few women interested in such a thing that you literally need to pay them to do it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 05:45 PM |
| 6 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.No, I’m saying every attempt to study the roots of hybristophilia has not found any link to violence, recorded or otherwise. Their fascination is not with violence, there’s no fixation on that whatsoever, it’s exclusively on the men. So no, it’s not about them glorifying violence or being violent themselves, most women experiencing it are otherwise healthy. It’s one area of abnormal psychology where there are as of yet no other indicators of abnormality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 05:38 PM |
| 5 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.Right, but I’m saying there’s been no link established between women with hybristophilia committing any sort of violence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 05:28 PM |
| 0 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.On a purely biological basis there’s basically no downside to men having as many kids as they possibly can with next to no regard for whether they can support them. That’s why women have evolved to be the choosier sex. Some of those men you’re saying have made dumb decisions with regards to children are mathematically the most evolutionarily fit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 05:26 PM |
| 0 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.It’s an interesting topic because hybrostiphilia is almost exclusive to women. Any psychological phenomena that is near exclusive to one sex is should he interesting because usually there’s a lot of overlap. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 05:19 PM |
| 3 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.Well, for starters femdom is so rare that it’s basically a meme in the BDSM community at large. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 05:16 PM |
| 7 | Some women find serial killers and psychopaths irresistible. And people don't like to talk about that.I don’t think there’s ever been a correlation between hybristophilia and the type of women involved, certainly not one that shows they also are violent criminals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/21 05:14 PM |
| 2 | Why does marriage kill sex drive?Way more men listen to me than you Yeah, okay kid. I don’t know how to break it to you but the overwhelming majority of men are not involved in the manosphere, and it’s a small minority of the ones that are that take advice from weak jaded shitheels. What’s your particular poison? Incel? MGTOW? Both? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/21 11:45 PM |
| 2 | Why does marriage kill sex drive?They'll marry up, or not at all. Marrying down isn't an option. And yet that’s what 30% of women are doing by income, up from 9% a decade ago. No, it may be hyperbolic. It’s not just hyperbolic, it’s outright falsifiable given that at least 30% of women that marry these days are not doing it for their spouse’s money. This is the kind of brain dead moronic thinking premised on nothing but distaste for women that gives the entire manosphere a bad rep. I hope you find balance some day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/21 10:20 PM |
| 3 | Why does marriage kill sex drive?You can’t have a mate or relationship drive without an accompanying sex drive. Do I really need to cite literature proving women have a sex drive? I’ll make no argument about how strong it is relative to men, but you need to be pants on head retarded to suggest women literally have zero sex drive. Yes, those women marry up, for more money, not down, for no money. Women earn more in about 30% of marriages and climbing. In 2009 it was 9%. I’m sure they do prefer to marry up, but that’s becoming in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/21 08:20 PM |
| 4 | Why does marriage kill sex drive?Women love sex, but sex is also the means of reproduction, so unfortunately yes there is the added tradeoff that they’re hardwired to seek resources and commitment. Marriage is more about a relative level of security (for both partners theoretically) than it is about money. If you need evidence of that just consider the fact that young women are now out earning young men, and while marriage rates in those age groups have fallen ultimately women are still signing up for marriage even though now i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/21 08:02 PM |
| 6 | Why does marriage kill sex drive?Novelty wearing off, aging and decline of sex hormones, children, stress, laziness, decrease in attractiveness, the list goes on and on. It’s not impossible to maintain a good sex life throughout all of that, but it takes a lot of willpower and most people are not up to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/21 07:58 PM |
| 2 | What's the point in marriage?Not really. Men live for women and women live for children, generally speaking of course. Marriage is the only system we’ve created that allows everyone to get a little bit of what they want in a sustainable manner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/21 02:40 PM |
| 1 | The societal role of mother kills the sex life not the kidThat’s fair, I wouldn’t suggest making everything about the child, just that as you said their well-being should be at the forefront. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 10:26 PM |
| 1 | The societal role of mother kills the sex life not the kidThe cause is the sad inevitability that sex is for the most part a young persons gambit. Age, life, declining sex hormones, whatever you want to blame it on, it all starts to get in the way, and there’s only so much you can do to treat it. Ultimately it’s not a bad thing, and while I look forward to having kids and growing old with my family it’s also natural to not look forward to declining libido. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 10:10 PM |
| 1 | WOMEN "HITTING THE WALL" IS NOT BASED IN REALITYI’m sure there are a minority that are actually successful and don’t just hate men by way of existing, similar to TRP. Far from the majority though, wouldn’t you agree? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 10:05 PM |
| 2 | WOMEN "HITTING THE WALL" IS NOT BASED IN REALITYConfirmation bias. They’re both blatant, don’t play dumb. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 08:53 PM |
| 1 | WOMEN "HITTING THE WALL" IS NOT BASED IN REALITYI’m glad you got out early, but don’t pretend FDS is just pushback to the red pill. It’s a toxic hive of jilted women, just as TRP is a haven to deeply misogynistic men. FDS and red pill would be in harmony with each other if they weren’t each overrun by the most toxic among both sexes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 08:21 PM |
| 2 | The societal role of mother kills the sex life not the kidI don’t think people do have children expecting things not to change, and I don’t think men are jealous of the attention paid to their children. That’s not what mourning a dying sex life needs to imply, except to those that can’t understand the nuance of human emotion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 08:17 PM |
| 3 | WOMEN "HITTING THE WALL" IS NOT BASED IN REALITYThat’s what the delusional women of FDS would have you believe. The reality is they’re old broken and jaded women who are using it as a coping strategy to convince themselves they’re still worth something in the sexual marketplace. They’re the female equivalent of the average MGTOW, who want you to believe they’re ‘going their own way’ while simultaneously bitching about women obsessively. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 08:09 PM |
| 1 | The societal role of mother kills the sex life not the kidLike it or not that’s exactly how it is though, people have limited time and attention to give out. There are actually some interesting mother-child co-evolution theories about it. Children should come first, as I said. It’s not a rivalry, but it does interfere with relationship satisfaction, for both parents not just the father. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 08:06 PM |
| 3 | WOMEN "HITTING THE WALL" IS NOT BASED IN REALITYThe overwhelming majority of people who participate in the stock market are men. I don’t think it has anything to do with intelligence but rather interest. Men on average are significantly more interested in numbers, math, probability (gambling), all things of mechanical nature, than women are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 07:01 PM |
| 9 | WOMEN "HITTING THE WALL" IS NOT BASED IN REALITYThere is, it’s called FDS. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 06:50 PM |
| 1 | The societal role of mother kills the sex life not the kidSource? I don’t doubt there’s a response curve, but from what I’ve read decline in sexual receptivity is almost universal in all developed nations, and most studies tie it to hormone changes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 04:58 PM |
| 5 | Q4All: What are the warning signs that you are pedestalizing someone you are dating?For me it’s tended to manifest in deep insecurities and anxious attachment styles. If you start worrying about why they’re not texting you back, doubting their actions or feelings are genuine, placing too much stock in their mood, etc etc, there’s a good chance you’ve pedestalized them and should take a step back and remember who you are and why they’re dating you in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 02:49 PM |
| 10 | The societal role of mother kills the sex life not the kidDoes those studies show causation though? Men’s T levels drop for all sorts of reasons. Could easily be lack of sleep or lack of sex for that matter that causes the decline. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 02:41 PM |
| 0 | Attractive women play "hard to get" at first to quickly filter out weak-willed menThey also tend to filter out the men who have any amount of self-respect. High value men don’t chase women, they make their intentions known and if they’re not reciprocated they move on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 02:37 PM |
| 2 | Is ANY contact with an ex unacceptable?I’ve been on both sides of this. How long is ‘months’? If it’s literally just a couple months, probably nothing to worry about. Break ups suck and feelings of love tend to linger. Love is literally an addiction to a person, and a break up causes withdrawal symptoms. If you’re dating somebody who just got out of a long relationship you need to understand that, and either be mature enough to accept that some contact for a time will be warranted even if it’s just for closure (which is how I would s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 02:29 PM |
| 1 | The societal role of mother kills the sex life not the kidI don’t think it the societal role so much as it is the biological role. The second a woman becomes a mom her spouse becomes second-best. And that’s fine, that’s absolutely how it should be, but it has the unfortunate side-effect of causing a great deal of indirect strain on the partnership. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/02/21 02:11 PM |
| 13 | It's cognitive dissonance for TRP men to be Pro Life while wanting to engage in casual sex with as many as women as possibleIt’s for optimizing success wherever the men implementing it want to optimize success. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/21 06:11 AM |
| 3 | It's cognitive dissonance for TRP men to be Pro Life while wanting to engage in casual sex with as many as women as possibleAbsolute nail on the head. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/21 05:41 AM |
| 4 | How do you feel about many red pill gurus and dating coaches being shown to be not so successful in real life?I paid for a ticket, so I suppose that made me a client. After that he gave me some tips for starting a business that were helpful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/21 05:14 AM |
| 3 | How do you feel about many red pill gurus and dating coaches being shown to be not so successful in real life?I live in Toronto, met him at a talk. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/21 05:03 AM |
| 7 | How do you feel about many red pill gurus and dating coaches being shown to be not so successful in real life?The only ones I know of are Rollo and Richard. I’ve met Richard personally actually, pretty solid guy. I wouldn’t call either of them unsuccessful, not relatively speaking anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/21 04:27 AM |
| 11 | How do you feel about many red pill gurus and dating coaches being shown to be not so successful in real life?Which ones? Don’t need links, just names. If they’re public figures it’s not doxxing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/21 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Hold up...isnt EVERYONE Hypergamous?The citations show that women actively seek out higher status mates while men do not, and will strictly rule out mates when ‘all else is equal’ while men do not. That is hypergamy, yes. Obviously not all women get to marry up, because that would require all men to outearn all women, and people would need to assort themselves appropriately for that to be the case. That’s an impossibility, and I’ve acknowledged that. That does not change the observed fact that women on average follow a hypergamous… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/21 05:12 AM |
| 0 | Hold up...isnt EVERYONE Hypergamous?You’re being willfully obtuse. I cited over a dozen studies showing that women have an overwhelming preference towards mates of high status, an effect not observed in the men within those studies. You cited a single study which literally mentioned in the abstract that women do prefer mates of high status but are unable to find such mates due to emerging educational disparity, and your response is ‘nope nothing to see here’. That’s fine really, I can’t force you to accept evidence, but perhaps co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/21 05:03 AM |
| 1 | Hold up...isnt EVERYONE Hypergamous?Did you actually read the study that editorial is citing? They said exactly what I did, that women tending to marry down these days is because of men’s declining educational attainment relative to women. That doesn’t mean women are happy about it. The studies I linked show the preference still exists, there are just fewer high earning men these days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/21 11:46 PM |
| 1 | Hold up...isnt EVERYONE Hypergamous?I know a lot of women who are the most desirable partner in the relationship Well it's generally difficult to determine that to begin with, given that desirability has so many dimensions. I've seen women who are absolute 10s with men who are short, balding, and fat, but also extremely wealthy. There's no objective way to measure who's more desirable in that example. Also, hypergamy in the evolutionary context is not even about who is more desirable *within* a given relationship, that's the socio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/21 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Would you trade places?When I do they get extremely emotional, exactly how you did. That doesn’t mean the stats are wrong. They could be of course, but I doubt it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 09:01 PM |
| 2 | Hold up...isnt EVERYONE Hypergamous?But that’s not what hypergamy is. Hypergamy is not just sleeping with the most suitable and attractive person available, it’s pursuing only those options, even if they’re not even available per se. So for example, there’s a study showing that women report having a much smaller dating pool the more successful and attractive they are themselves. For men, they report having a much larger dating pool the more attractive and successful they are. Men won’t turn down the best thing available, but that’… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 09:00 PM |
| 1 | Would you trade places?If that’s the norm for women, and statistically most violence (even sexual) occurs to men, it would mean that statistically the norm for men is worse. I don’t really see that being the case. So either that is not the norm for women or men just have the tendency to be less concerned about violence conducted toward them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 05:28 PM |
| 1 | Hold up...isnt EVERYONE Hypergamous?Not really, no. Men are much less particular on average, especially in short term scenarios. We tend not to worry about whether we’re ‘settling’. There is an observable difference between men and women here, it’s been studied widely. I can send you some papers on it if you need. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 05:24 PM |
| 1 | Are alpha males sexually oppressed by society?What does it matter what betas and Karens think? While you’re technically correct, getting called a fuckboy by someone who’s just envious is a complete non-issue. There’s very little social pressure stopping anyone from being promiscuous these days. Generally the pressure to stop comes from the person in question when they decide it’s not the lifestyle for them. Or, if they legitimately enjoy the lifestyle consistently (which I think is rare as people age) then there’s no real pressure to stop. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 05:59 AM |
| 2 | Hold up...isnt EVERYONE Hypergamous?No, TRP uses the evolutionary psychology definition, which involves more than social status but doesn’t necessarily involve marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Hold up...isnt EVERYONE Hypergamous?It is if that one man is about as good as that particular woman can get. That’s the evolutionary definition of hypergamy. Most often people here conflate it with the sociological definition, which is only part of the phenomena. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Would you trade places?Glad to hear it. Your previous comment sounds as though you’ve been through a lot of very traumatic experiences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 05:45 AM |
| 1 | Would you trade places?Are you okay? Look I get it, men have done some extremely shitty things to you. That’s awful. That still does not make my initial statement untrue. Statistically women are safer. That’s a simple fact. You would not likely be safer as a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 12:20 AM |
| 1 | Would you trade places?I wouldn’t really call her a marketing genius. Her sister and dad brought the family to the spotlight. She just made good use of the clout others developed for the family. If anyone is a marketing genius it’s probably Kim for the sex tape. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/21 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Would you trade places?That doesn’t change the fact that you’re far safer as a woman though, does it? I never denied that most physical violence is also performed by men, I just stated we’re also the targets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/21 10:22 PM |
| 3 | Would you trade places?Objectification aside, the vast majority of violent crime is committed against men. I know it doesn’t feel like it, but statistically you’re much safer as a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/21 04:32 PM |
| 12 | Would you trade places?Not a chance. I love being a man. My failures and successes are completely my own, and nobody can take that from me. There will be women who have easier lives than me who get money and attention thrown at them just for being attractive, but I don’t admire them. I admire men (or women) who had nothing to their name and still managed to build a legacy and leave the world a better place. I do think men on average have harder lives (not to say women don’t have their own struggles), but that’s what m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/21 04:02 PM |
| 4 | Struggling men: Would you date a much older woman who adored you?Not a chance lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/21 03:18 PM |
| 1 | Women saying they try to avoid Red Pilled men is ironic af.There’s a good chance I’m the first one you’ve spoken to that’s over the age of 25. Plate spinning and forever girlfriends are temporary solutions and don’t work for men who decide they want kids (most of them, eventually). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/21 01:58 AM |
| 2 | Women saying they try to avoid Red Pilled men is ironic af.I find it hard to believe you've actually spent enough time in the manosphere to be able to make those conclusions. Like I said, the TRP sub is a very small window into what the average RP man is like. I run a small side business mentoring members of the community and the above comment does not reflect my personal experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/21 01:36 AM |
| 2 | If you're unhappy with the status quo, how *should* things be instead? If all men and women 100% obey your advice on how they should live their lives in a way that would make things better, what would you tell them?Thank you! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/21 12:39 AM |
| 13 | If you're unhappy with the status quo, how *should* things be instead? If all men and women 100% obey your advice on how they should live their lives in a way that would make things better, what would you tell them?I like the concept of extreme ownership. It’s a term coined by Jocko Willink I think, at least that’s the only place I’ve heard it mentioned. The idea is just to take responsibility for everything that happens in your life. Everyone would be better off if they’d just own their shit. Now obviously, I say that as someone who hasn’t exactly perfected the concept. It takes extreme discipline, and I don’t blame those that struggle, but I also hate to hear them whine when they refuse to examine how th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/21 11:39 PM |
| 4 | Women saying they try to avoid Red Pilled men is ironic af.That’s a pretty common misconception. Across time most RP men do end up seeking out LTRs and marriage. Almost all of the ‘old school’ RP top contributors are married at this point. There comes a time in every RP mans life where he needs to decide whether he wants kids or not. Most decide that yes they do, and will accept that marriage is the necessary end to that. If you only read the sub you’d get the impression every single RP guy is 20 and hates women vehemently. There’s a lot of turnaround. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/21 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?Fair enough, I really have zero experience with femdom, I had just assumed that would be a big part of it. All I really know is it’s exceptionally rare. After about 6 years casually mingling in various BDSM communities I’ve not met a single one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/21 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?Fuck off troll. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/21 04:46 AM |
| -1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?Sexually? Yeah it does, generally speaking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/21 04:45 AM |
| 0 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?You did put her down, you used the word subservient. Stop lying. I don’t personally care what you think, I’d rather you just take ownership for your words and stop acting like people are out to get you when you go out of your way to insult them first. I don’t want an apology or anything like that, I want you stop acting self-righteous, okay Karen? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/21 12:55 AM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?how many of them would have done it before they had that meme planted in their heads by a wildly popular novel? Why did that meme take so easily is the better question. Social contagion can be a factor, but it would be difficult to engineer receptivity to a concept if the majority of people were repulsed by it. Social contagion alone cannot come anywhere close to explaining why almost every sexually mature woman in the west was flicking their bean to the thought of getting choked by Christian Gr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/21 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?No, you approached my comment with the intent to put my girlfriend down by calling her subservient, which has some serious implications behind it. That’s why my panties are in a twist. Typical Karen, being the aggressor then playing the victim when people call you on your shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/21 12:39 AM |
| 0 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?Perhaps you should stop getting offended so easily. That is in fact what it means to be a Karen, and it’s not my problem you choose to see implications about her words where none exists. I was very specific in my writing. ‘Sexuality is the only way for me to express myself’. Work on your reading comprehension. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/21 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?I don’t know how many times I have to say that it’s not my position that all women enjoy it, only that far more enjoy it than you think. You seem to think it’s rare, when in my experience it’s close to the norm. most people consume/engage in these fantasies as an outlet for entertainment, a break from the routine of normal life, etc., but wouldn’t actually do it. And I’m saying that’s where video games differ from porn or smut. Most housewives that ready Fifty Shades probably would let a handsom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/21 12:12 AM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?I don’t need to extrapolate all women, I only need to extrapolate to enough of them to call bs on your position. Women are far kinkier than you give them credit for. try tying up a woman who thinks kink simulates abuse and see how that goes. I’ve tied up a few feminists who held that position before. They loved it. Of course violent media is a fantasy. so your position is that people playing video games are fantasizing about shooting people? That’s a fucking 1990s era take but alright, thought w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 11:46 PM |
| 0 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?She’s not subservient, far from it. You may be thinking of the word submissive, and again that only applies to her sexuality. As a man who loves her, I find the implication that she can’t speak for her own experience as a woman without some Karen getting offended highly offensive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 11:35 PM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?The anecdote is not a flex, it’s 30 or so data points that I can personally point to that is an indicator to me personally that most people have no idea what the ‘average’ woman enjoys in bed. One can seek out a fantasy medium without actually wanting to engage in it. They can, sure, but even if it’s not a perfect correlation the number of people wanting to engage in those fantasies is high. The video game comparison is a poor example because they don’t represent fantasies but rather alternative… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?My n-count is somewhere between 30 and 40 and every single one was into rough sex at bare minimum, which is basically the window into BDSM. I’ve tied up probably half that number in basic knots, the other half I never bothered to ask because they were one night stands. Forgive me if I don’t take anyone seriously when they talk about what the ‘average’ woman likes in bed. Anecdotes aside, I think there’s a good reason the primary consumers of BDSM porn are women, and it’s not because they’ve been… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 09:59 PM |
| 15 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?It’s not hypocritical. Women who want to optimally succeed in their careers (this is what my girlfriend meant) need to emulate more masculine traits to do so. Otherwise they get pushed around by less agreeable, more aggressive, more ambitious men. It’s completely reasonable for her to need to act masculine to advance her career while also wanting to be feminine and submissive when she wants sexual attention. The unfortunate fact of the matter is that society now relies on women being in the work… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 06:27 PM |
| 2 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?How can it possibly be chicken or egg? People had to have existed more or less in their current form before the advent of porn. Sexual fantasies got translated into porn. You can make the argument that our sexual fantasies evolved with porn, but you cannot be arguing that porn is the source of sexual fantasy. Porn is just the representation of fantasy that already existed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 05:54 PM |
| 5 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?Already happening. It’s fine. The association has been obvious to me since I became sexually active. I’m not concerned about offending the willfully blind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 05:30 PM |
| 9 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?Probably, I only know it from House of Cards though. It’s even pretty likely he credited Oscar Wilde in the scene, but that’s not how my memory works I guess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 05:26 PM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?Well yes, that’s why aftercare is the most important part of BDSM. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 05:25 PM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?I enjoy the act because she enjoys the act. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 05:24 PM |
| 4 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?She didn’t say it was restricted to the bedroom, she said it was about sexuality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 05:23 PM |
| 1 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?Sure, but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 04:05 PM |
| 3 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?Men would do well to try get more into BDSM. At first it is just a novelty, I agree. Later on if you get more advanced you realize there’s no better way to get a woman addicted to you, that’s the really satisfying part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 03:27 PM |
| 56 | Do you think BDSM pretty much universllay being "woman focused" says something about sexuality?I think Frank Underwood’s quote describes the situation best. Everything is about sex, except for sex. Sex is about power. Sex is the one area left where women (not all, but certainly most in my experience) are begging to be dominated. I didn’t really get it at first, took some time for me to wrap my head around it. My girlfriend explained it something like this “Modern women are expected to be more like men if they want to get anywhere. Sexuality is the only outlet left for me to express myself… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/21 03:23 PM |
| 3 | Why do people act as though only bad guys get women?This has been my experience. I didn’t realize I was a manipulative fuckface to most of the women in my life until I was around 24. Everybody tends to think they’re an okay person but make excuses to justify their behaviour. My excuse was ‘well if she wants to date me even though I want nothing to do with her, it’s not wrong if I just sleep with her a few times before telling her I want to stay single’. I used a lot of women in hindsight. Kinda feels bad, but still kinda doesn’t? Not much I can d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/21 01:53 PM |
| 2 | Why do people act as though only bad guys get women?Meh, I acted pretty demeaning towards women in uni. I would argue with the gender studies girls on my floor until their faces literally turned red. Still managed to sleep with a few of them after the fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/21 01:40 PM |
| 5 | Why are you guys so pressed about what shallow women do?You’re probably not average. All of my average and even below average women friends straight up complain about how much attention gets thrown their way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/21 04:38 AM |
| 3 | Neither gender really wants sex. What they really want is desire from the opposite sex.I’m pretty I do want sex, and I do want to be desired. Even the worst sex I’ve had was better than masturbation. These aren’t mutually exclusive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/21 05:01 PM |
| 2 | If women are just as horny as men, why don't women pay for 10/10 chad male prostitutes?Scoffing at the idea of hooking up with ugly women in the presence of other men is not the scenario we were discussing in the other thread, if that's what I'm to assume this is about. I can politely turn a woman down to her face and then say 'Ew fuck no' to my friends when they ask about it. As far as I'm concerned that's irrelevant to whether or not it's annoying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/21 05:52 AM |
| 0 | Men would hate it if women had a male sexuality.Agreed, or at least the perception of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/21 05:08 AM |
| 3 | Men would hate it if women had a male sexuality.Yes, low tier men will sometimes do that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/21 05:06 AM |
| 7 | Men would hate it if women had a male sexuality.I get hit on plenty and I’m fine with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/21 12:49 AM |
| 7 | Men would hate it if women had a male sexuality.Male sexuality would mean a departure from hypergamy and more towards polygamy. Standards would probably be lower. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/21 12:31 AM |
| 15 | Men would hate it if women had a male sexuality.I doubt that very much. Men are not as disgusted by less attractive women and have a much easier time politely saying no without making excuses. I think the probable reason for that is we’re not physically vulnerable to retaliation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/21 12:27 AM |
| 1 | Why does the man-child seem to be more common today?Constant feminization and the destruction of the nuclear family are indeed to blame. Who’d have thought that when you raise entire generations of men to be less manly, or remove the influence of father figures entirely, that you’d end up with less manly men? Seriously who could have predicted that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/21 05:00 PM |
| 1 | Are there any REGULARS here who are blue pilled men AND have been married for at least a decade?I disagree that it only attracts low value women. I exclusively date women that I deem to be pretty high value, and my standards are by no means low. RP principles can work on women of any value, it’s just that most users target low-value women first and foremost with short term strategies. It still works exceptionally better than BP principles in longterm situations with high value women. Short term = become an AF and target sluts Long term = become an AB and target wife material | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/21 07:47 PM |
| 3 | is it normal to want to have kids and a family with a woman?They’re not a social construct. Reproduction and the rituals associated (monogamy, marriage, whatever) are deeply ingrained biological instincts. Don’t kill yourself man. Talk to someone if you need and work on being the best dude you can, and if you cock up in the process don’t sweat it, you can’t succeed without making mistakes. The doors to a better life will open for you, I swear it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/21 07:21 PM |
| 4 | Does RPMen and RPWomen have views regarding women supporting their men that are kinda opposed to each other?I don’t think women encouraging other women to actually be a pleasure to be around instead of a pain in the ass is misaligned with men discouraging weakness in other men, no. On both sides you just have people trying to encourage their members of the same sex to be less of a hassle to their partners. Men dislike naggy women, and women dislike crybabies. There’s no mismatch there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/21 04:50 PM |
| 1 | So it dawned on me that the simple reason why women have more chances of getting mental health support and help is because...other women offer itNo. Cool paradox though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/21 09:50 PM |
| 103 | It’s not Porn, it’s fun.Hamster. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 09/01/21 09:12 PM |
| 1 | So it dawned on me that the simple reason why women have more chances of getting mental health support and help is because...other women offer itNobody ever directly told me not to show weakness, I figured out on my own not to do that except with my family and few best friends after realizing that everyone else doesn’t really want to hear it. That includes significant others, even though they seem to want to help the permanent change in perception is not worth the trouble. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/21 09:09 PM |
| 3 | Do you believe you owe it to your partner to stay attractive?Nothing wrong with stretch marks. Find you a dude who can appreciate what you went through. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/21 05:38 PM |
| 11 | If you were reborn as an unattractive member of the opposite sex what would your approach to dating and relationships be?Look no further than tinder | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/21 03:42 AM |
| 4 | The manosphere totally misinterprets female attraction.I’m not mad at anyone, don’t confuse simple observations for contempt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/21 02:24 AM |
| 28 | If you were reborn as an unattractive member of the opposite sex what would your approach to dating and relationships be?Get thin. Learn makeup. Enjoy the 24/7 thirst being thrown at me and take my pick of the bunch. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 10:35 PM |
| 3 | Why does it seem like it's mostly women cheating these days?Confirmation bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 08:58 PM |
| 6 | Many men here seem to underestimate or downplay the role “charisma” and “presence” plays in female sexual arousal.And attractive but non charismatic people still get laid more than average. There is no new information here. Looks matter, charisma matters. Either one can offset the other to an extent, but it’s best to seek to attain both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 08:47 PM |
| -1 | The manosphere totally misinterprets female attraction.I’m not projecting anything. I never said men needed to be 10/10. This entire post is mostly you putting words in people’s mouths and then claiming they’re projecting. It’s funny tbh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 08:43 PM |
| 66 | The manosphere totally misinterprets female attraction.The 80/20 rule has always been explicitly about physical sexual attraction. I don’t think we typically imply otherwise. We know quite well women will select for other more longterm traits depending on the context, that’s where the AF/BB dichotomy comes from. It just happens that the men of highest values are both, the Alpha Bucks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 07:24 PM |
| 2 | If porn is bad because it desensitizes men, then vibrators are also bad because it desensitizes womenAnd I do not believe that except in some rare cases. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 04:52 PM |
| 2 | If porn is bad because it desensitizes men, then vibrators are also bad because it desensitizes womenNot necessarily, if there’s a mental block or physical desensitization causing it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 04:24 PM |
| 3 | If porn is bad because it desensitizes men, then vibrators are also bad because it desensitizes womenFor a lot of women vibrators are the only way they get off. You think that’s healthy or normal? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 06:19 AM |
| 4 | If porn is bad because it desensitizes men, then vibrators are also bad because it desensitizes womenYou literally just made OP’s argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 05:57 AM |
| 10 | If porn is bad because it desensitizes men, then vibrators are also bad because it desensitizes womenBitch that phrase don’t make sense why can’t fruit be compared?! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 05:56 AM |
| 5 | Do men in these modern times want to be breadwinners?Depends on the class of the gold digger. There are plenty of lower class gold digging women that can’t attract successful men and still need to use their vag as a bargaining chip even if it’s for literal table scraps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/21 05:36 AM |
| 20 | Do men in these modern times want to be breadwinners?That shouldn’t be surprising though. Most well off men aren’t as concerned about losing some income because they have lots to spare. From those who have nothing more will be taken and all that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/21 08:58 PM |
| 1 | Do men in these modern times want to be breadwinners?The main issue with traditional thinking on this is that it’s not feasible on a single average income. It only makes sense to do it if you’re a top earner, but you can want it in spite of that. Maybe the fact that it’s unattainable for most actually makes them want it more, who really knows? I make enough money to allow my future wife to do what she wants. I would prefer that she work until we have kids, then continue working once they’re old enough for school just to enable an even better lifes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/21 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Do you think there's a stigma against men being feminine?And I never said you did either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/21 04:22 AM |
| 1 | Do you think there's a stigma against men being feminine?Justin Bieber isn’t feminine. He’s not the most masculine dude around, but he’s not feminine. Besides, even if he were he’d be loved for his fame fortune and talent. It’s not fair to compare the top 0.1% of men when discussing population-wide averages. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/21 03:46 AM |
| 2 | Do you think there's a stigma against men being feminine?Women are less attracted to feminine men. It should be obvious, but there’s no shortage of studies which confirm that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/21 09:58 PM |
| 2 | Do you think there's a stigma against men being feminine?So that the species doesn’t grind to a screeching halt for starters. Most women prefer not to bang feminine men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/21 06:55 PM |
| 1 | A message that must be shoved down on all 3 holes of a womanI don’t think that men are on average more driven. I do think that the standard deviation of the variance in male traits is higher pretty much across the board, that’s basically what the above graphic represents. This is true for IQ for example. In a group of people with the highest IQs men are statistically overrepresented. On the downside, men are overrepresented in the strata with the lowest IQs as well. I think that’s probably why all of the people absolutely dominating their particular nich… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/21 04:30 AM |
| 8 | If women don’t like nice guys or find them to be “boring”, does that mean it’s over for genuine nice guys?Yes they do, at least in longterm partners. Traits like kindness, compassion, gratitude, etc are all ranked pretty highly when it comes to maintaining any LTR. The caveat is that you can’t have just that, because while those traits inspire commitment, they don’t inspire arousal, and you need both for a relationship (if you want it to last). If you’re only interested in the short term then yeah it literally doesn’t matter, just be hot. At that point being kind of a dick, a fun one, is a complemen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/20 05:07 PM |
| 1 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlMy point was not to shift the blame to anyone for societal issues, it’s that suffering is an inherent part of life for everyone. So if some moron is gonna come here and put words in my mouth, turning it into some man vs woman crying fest when I literally said everyone needs to take more responsibility, then obviously I’m going to point out what bullshit it is. The only one shifting the goalposts here is the user I replied to, who thinks the statement ‘take responsibility’ leads to ‘put women in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/20 04:44 PM |
| 0 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlYou would think, but oddly enough tax contributions vs incomes in men vs women are not 1:1. It’s taking responsibility NOT to bringing a unwanted child into the world. Responsibility isn’t just paying for things. It’s not just literally paying for things, but responsibility does always have a cost. If you didn’t have the money for example you could just not have sex. That would be responsible. In this case the cost is being passed onto everyone else but the person who should be fronting it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 11:05 PM |
| 1 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlIn the sense that an unwanted pregnancy result in ruin, yes. Do you have a point or are you just going to keep regurgitating the same tired feminist crying routine? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 10:56 PM |
| 1 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlI’m all for men making better decisions and taking responsibility for their actions. The only thing I would disagree on is that vasectomies are not always reversible, making them a bad form of contraception unless you’re done having kids. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 10:50 PM |
| 1 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlMen's life, body, and future is never jeopardized by the male orgasm...that's a female privilege, I guess. Lol you’ve never heard of child support? Know what happens you can’t pay? Gtfo with your nonsense and spare me the sob story. Suffering, danger, blood, and humiliation do not exclusively belong to women. How quick are you to forget that men make up >90% of casualties in war, we make up 80% of the homeless, commit 80% of the suicide, have always been the targets of the majority of violent cr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 09:13 PM |
| 1 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlAsking for government handouts is not taking responsibility. To take responsibility requires an input or paying a cost of some kind. It doesn’t help men the exact same, the net gain is different. Men pay twice as much in taxes, so we’re responsible for more of the cost. It’s a minuscule difference, but it’s not nothing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 09:04 PM |
| 3 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlNo I would rather not pay for that as well now that you mention it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 08:49 PM |
| 1 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlI don’t think it only helps women. I do think it helps women more. Regardless of either of those statements, free birth control is the lesser of two evils only because you can’t rely on most people to take responsibility for their own actions | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 08:45 PM |
| 2 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlLike I said, it is necessary so that we prevent them from taking more. That doesn’t mean I have to hand over my tax dollars with a smile and a nod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 08:33 PM |
| 1 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlResponsibility looks like earning a living wage to be able to afford your contraception, or just not having sex if you can’t risk the pregnancy. That goes for men and women. Don’t try to make this about gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 08:31 PM |
| 1 | Sex is a need, but not a right & never should be.You being so dense is what’s depressing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Sex is a need, but not a right & never should be.You comparing the need to eat and drink to reproduce is what i disagree with. We eat and drink to survive that’s why we need that. We don’t need reproduction necessarily to survive not objectively anyway. I’m not comparing eating and drinking to reproducing, I’m comparing it to sex. Sex is just the means to an end, but the instinct is still placed on the means. We literally do need reproduction to survive as a species. Our genes are not self-centred. Not necessarily no, if you’re talking about t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 06:28 PM |
| 1 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlHow are any of these burdens? I pay for these services, either through my taxes (which are higher than most) or for the service directly. Net positive, like I said. What I’m discussing is the people who contribute nothing, or close to nothing, and are a drain on that system. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 06:14 PM |
| 4 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlNobody has shouldered any burden for my decisions. I am a net positive for society, probably an above average one at that. I am thankful that if I were to fuck that up I would have some sort of safety net, but that’s also the rub. I am a net positive, while women who would otherwise become even more enormous tax burdens contribute nothing and only take. We’re just preventing them from taking more. It’s necessary, but that doesn’t mean I have to feel neutral about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 05:59 PM |
| 1 | Sex is a need, but not a right & never should be.I think we define needs differently. I would define need as anything that is a universal biological instinct. Sex qualifies under that criteria, and reproduction happens to be the underlying purpose of that. I didn’t say people have sex only to reproduce, what I’m saying is it is an indisputable fact that sex is a biological function evolved specifically for reproduction. Sex is only enjoyable as a drive towards reproduction, we know this because sex as an act evolved before the enjoyment of sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 05:54 PM |
| 0 | Sex is a need, but not a right & never should be.Yes, and I said it’s for the purpose of reproduction. What do you think the purpose of sex is? If for recreation, why do you think sex evolved to be enjoyable? Why do you think growing up happens to coincide with increased libido, sex hormones, etc? Reproduction can be a choice, the urge to have sex, which is inseparable from the urge to reproduce except in modern contexts, is not a choice. It is a preprogrammed biological instinct once we’ve reached reproductive age, the same as eating and drin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 05:29 PM |
| 8 | The Real World Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings About Birth ControlThere’s some nuance to the situation. Free birth control is a relatively cheap way to prevent teen pregnancy and unnecessary burden to society. That doesn’t mean it’s not valid for people to be angry about it. It does suck that we’ve entered an era where it’s not just necessary, but encouraged. In a perfect world education and adoption of responsibility (on the part of both young men and women) would be enough. I should not have to pay higher taxes just so that some welfare case can have unprote… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 05:22 PM |
| 0 | Sex is a need, but not a right & never should be.What is puberty, if not the programmed development of secondary sex characteristics for the purpose of reproduction? You’re literally a biology denier lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 05:15 PM |
| 4 | Red Pilled men of PPD: What kind of evidence would make you question your theory?There are 16 published studies on that page alone, and that’s far from the entire body of work, those are just the ones cited as necessary part of setting up a wiki page. If you want to call that “very limited” then be my guest, but to me it just sounds a lot like denial and I would encourage you to dig around the literature yourself. It’s also worth mentioning the theory of dual mating strategy is just the attempt to describe the set of observations we’ve made surrounding female mate choice. It… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/20 03:22 AM |
| 10 | Red Pilled men of PPD: What kind of evidence would make you question your theory?You probably want to start with something like this, it provides a decent overview: http://www.weimag.ch/micha/dc/05_Buss_Strategies%20of%20Human%20Mating.pdf Edit: if you want something specifically related to dual mating https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17466990/ https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-319-16999-6_238-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_pluralism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/20 08:11 AM |
| 15 | Red Pilled men of PPD: What kind of evidence would make you question your theory?Yes. Dual mating strategy, as it pertains to parental investment theory, is one of the leading theories used to explain human sexual behaviour at the moment. There’s plenty of literature on it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/20 07:47 AM |
| 0 | Home made Tinder experiment: FDS vs simps edition.That’s my thinking too. Like yeah a handful of these guys on paper meet the ‘requirements’, but what’s the likelihood of any woman actually spreading her legs irl for someone with such an obvious lack of self-respect. Hint: it’s near zero. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/20 08:44 PM |
| 12 | Home made Tinder experiment: FDS vs simps edition.The funniest bit is at the end of the day all these simps but a handful would very likely never get a date due to their attractiveness. Poor poor losers all. Have some self-respect lads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/20 08:41 PM |
| 2 | A ban on dating apps would be a huge step of fixing todays inequality in dating.Not really. Most women don’t use them because they get enough dating opportunity irl. For anyone still using the apps it can certainly seem that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/20 05:44 PM |
| 8 | A ban on dating apps would be a huge step of fixing todays inequality in dating.Nothing is stopping you from dating the traditional way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/20 04:21 PM |
| 1 | RPers: When looking for a LTR, what do you look for except sex and a woman who does the housework?It’s not supposed to be an active thought process. Like I said, I don’t encourage active dread, or purposefully instilling insecurities in your partner. What I encourage is maintaining such a high value that she can see how much other women would love to be with you. Women aren’t subtle when they’re flirting, at least not in the eyes of other women. They can always tell when someone is eyeing you up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/20 03:05 PM |
| 5 | RPers: When looking for a LTR, what do you look for except sex and a woman who does the housework?Well that’s really all it is. The better you are the more wary your partner is going to be of potentially losing you to someone else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/20 03:29 AM |
| 1 | RPers: When looking for a LTR, what do you look for except sex and a woman who does the housework?Because I want my life to be fun, spending all day with a bore isn’t a good means to that end | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/20 03:26 AM |
| 3 | RPers: When looking for a LTR, what do you look for except sex and a woman who does the housework?That seems fairly self-explanatory to me. You want someone who can communicate effectively, not nag you or ride your ass about nothing. Loyalty too, you don’t want someone who is likely to cheat, or would even make you feel like they might. They always could regardless of course. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/20 11:39 PM |
| 7 | RPers: When looking for a LTR, what do you look for except sex and a woman who does the housework?I think passive dread is fine, that’s basically just maintaining your appearance and social status so that other women are noticeably attracted to you. Active dread is pretty disrespectful and scummy imo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/20 11:37 PM |
| 3 | Ideal body count for ltr/ marriage material women?Pre-selection is why. Men are the pursuers. So a guy who’s had lots of partners must be worth something to have been successful in his pursuits. A guy who’s a virgin must not be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/20 04:46 PM |
| 37 | RPers: When looking for a LTR, what do you look for except sex and a woman who does the housework?I’m not looking for a woman to do all my housework. I think I have generally the same desires as most blue pilled men when it comes to a partner, I just have a better idea how to maintain a good sex life. I want a woman who’s smart, funny, kind, loyal, ambitious, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/20 03:22 PM |
| 1 | Reverse post: what makes you think that women are into a-holes?Think about your average frat guy. That’s what most people mean when this topic comes up I think. Now, personally I think that stereotype is overdone, almost all of the frat guys I’ve ever met were awesome guys. They also just unashamedly use women for sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/20 03:40 PM |
| 6 | Why not just go to places where you are the top 20% of men?The primary reason I can think not to is because if you go somewhere where the average quality of man is lower, the average quality of women drops too. So for example, my hometown is tiny, like fewer than 10,000 tiny. The dating prospects are hilariously bad because all of the quality men and women move away. There are a few exceptions. I’ve been to some college towns for business where the women are insanely hot but they all seem sick of local guys. It’s lead to some nice tinder flings. Even th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/20 10:02 PM |
| 1 | In conclusion most men suffer from dating cause they are NOT “popular “enoughNot for the most part. I’m sympathetic when it comes to height or just horrible facial structure. Self-improvement in the other things that are squarely their responsibility would go a long way. I think most incels stop being incels by the age of 25. That’s when most men start pulling their shit together. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/20 04:39 PM |
| 0 | In conclusion most men suffer from dating cause they are NOT “popular “enoughFriends and family is literally still one of the most common ways people meet, so statistically you’re just way off on the probability of success here. It’s far less of a numbers game than online dating or cold approaching is. You underestimate the power of social proof and having someone vouch for you. You also way overestimate how likely rejection is if the guy is fun and within the same level of attractiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/20 03:52 PM |
| 1 | In conclusion most men suffer from dating cause they are NOT “popular “enoughIf all else is the same, probably not. If we’re talking about an unconfident and anti-social Chad then you may actually be surprised. My old roommate fits that profile surprisingly well, the dude is chiseled like a Greek god but he’s also borderline autistic. He’s miserable with dating compared to a lot of my more socially inclined friends. Hell, my friend who’s been most ‘successful’ has been married for 3 years now. He’s pretty below average physically but he’s the life of the party. Everyone … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/20 03:41 PM |
| 1 | Counter-post: the average young man can't have a relationship.No, I’m not missing the point, not the point of the users original comment that you replied to anyway, you are. The point was that compared to today, relatively little effort had to be put into finding a relationship. People pair up more often and more easily in harsh conditions, mostly out of necessity. That was their point. You’ve warped that implication into being some odd crusade against men. Just chill dude, I understand some people are consistently against giving men of the past their due,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/20 07:16 PM |
| 4 | In conclusion most men suffer from dating cause they are NOT “popular “enoughI don’t mean ‘you’ particularly, I mean it in the non-personal plural way, as in anyone it would apply to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/20 05:05 PM |
| 25 | Nice guy (beta) vs. bad boy (Chad) is the wrong distinction. It's the exciting guy vs. the boring guy.This guy must never have heard of hybristophilia either, or how it’s pretty much exclusive to women, or how it’s not particularly rare... The question has never really been “Are women attracted to dangerous men”, the question is really “How attracted to dangerous men are they on average”, and it seems like the answer to that in the literature is ‘very’. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/20 04:44 PM |
| 13 | In conclusion most men suffer from dating cause they are NOT “popular “enoughIs this news? It’s always been this way, and I would argue it’s a good thing. If you’re not socially well-adjusted enough to make friends what the fuck makes you think you deserve a relationship, or could even sustain one? This is not something you can blame on women. If you suck at making friends that’s on you, you either take it upon yourself to fix it or learn to live alone without necessarily being lonely. Or I guess option 3 is do nothing about it and stay miserable. Which option do you thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/20 04:38 PM |
| 1 | Counter-post: the average young man can't have a relationship.Generally there was little choice in the matter. We didn’t have nearly the job choice we do today. Again, the user above didn’t imply men didn’t do the majority of the gruelling backbreaking labour, just that while doing they had to invest relatively little in themselves or general relationship skills to find a wife in those days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/20 04:09 AM |
| 0 | Counter-post: the average young man can't have a relationship.I put a lot of stock into nature as opposed to nurture. I think the data bares that out extremely well, at least at the population level. Aside from that, I completely agree with you. When men have issues with women it most often is not the women to blame. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/20 03:02 PM |
| 2 | Counter-post: the average young man can't have a relationship.Yes, and I’m saying that you ought to follow the path of least resistance in this case, which just happens to line up with evolutionarily derived mating tendencies. Life is much easier as a high value man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/20 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Counter-post: the average young man can't have a relationship.I think they meant with regards to a relationship. Jesus you guys are sensitive sometimes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/20 02:39 PM |
| 7 | Counter-post: the average young man can't have a relationship.Appealing to nature isn’t a fallacy when evolution has shaped most of our day to day behaviour. We can rationalize all we want, but subconscious instinct is a fickle bitch. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/20 02:37 PM |
| 1 | Counter-post: the average young man can't have a relationship.At the population level they sure do. At the individual level they absolutely do not. If you’re a single guy lamenting population level trends and saying ‘woe is me’, instead of doing what you can to defeat the trend, then as far as your own life goes you’re the problem. Would you rather be a statistic or an outlier? Believe it or not you do get to choose what you want to be in that regard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/20 02:33 PM |
| 1 | Why do sexual fantasies seem to deeply follow gender norms?We’re not talking about women getting fucked in the ass, we’re talking about men getting fucked in the ass. Stop with the false equivalency bs already. I get the feeling you only think the trans question is complicated because you’re still deep in the closet there friend. They smell like women, have long hair, high voices, etc etc etc. They’re women, but with dicks. Don’t dance around it. To me it actually sounds like a nice safe intermediate to get you used to the real thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/20 02:53 AM |
| 1 | Why do sexual fantasies seem to deeply follow gender norms?Touched a nerve huh? False equivalence. If you don’t think there’s a bit of difference between getting fucked in the ass and fucking someone in the ass I don’t know what to tell you. It’s not butt stuff that’s gay, it’s the literally having a silicon cock shoved in your ass that is. If you get fucked in the ass by a pre-op trans woman is that not gay? That person is a woman after all, only the cock isn’t synthetic. And like I said, it’s honestly fine, I’m not using gay as a pejorative. But it is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/20 06:31 AM |
| 4 | Young women are less likely to intend to use a condom with a more facially attractive male partner, and over 50% of non-virgin women report having intentionally employed a tactic (excluding other preventative birth control methods) to prevent/inhibit effective condom usageStudies have more power when discussing populations or trends. Anecdotes only reinforce confirmation bias. Since you’re being lighthearted your friends are probably not as ugly as you think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/20 10:21 PM |
| 11 | Young women are less likely to intend to use a condom with a more facially attractive male partner, and over 50% of non-virgin women report having intentionally employed a tactic (excluding other preventative birth control methods) to prevent/inhibit effective condom usageNot really no, unless they’re a statistical anomaly. In all the recent studies on this they’ve found that unattractive men were not seen as good mates even when they had perfect personality trait profiles, compared to more attractive men with less favourable personalities. It seems like there’s some kind of minimum attraction threshold, and if you’re below it your personality can’t compensate. Good looks can compensate for a shit personality on the other hand. This study even had the women’s mot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/20 08:46 PM |
| 36 | Do you think women's breasts are way more sexualized than they should be?No, they’re not. It sounds like you think this is a learned behaviour. It’s not. Men’s lust over a nice pair of tits is a cross-cultural human universal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/20 06:05 PM |
| 4 | If splitting assets after divorce is so bad, what should a woman do in a scenario like this?Exactly. Healthy relationships are a skill, just like anything else. If you invest time into that skill you’ll get great at it. If you assume that the moment you say ‘I do’ the work is done, and you can relax and not be the best partner you can be, then of course you’re in for a rough experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/20 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.The law is irrelevant when it comes to being a partner worth being with, that is my central point. You can argue law all day, I would even agree that we need major reform. That does not change that the fact that if you see your partner as being inferior to you because she’s a woman, which you do, no amount of law reform is going to save you. I’m not shaming you into getting married, I literally said you should not get married. Do not do it, please, because even if the law changes you’re incapabl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/20 08:08 PM |
| 2 | If splitting assets after divorce is so bad, what should a woman do in a scenario like this?That’s rare to the point that this is purely hypothetical. I haven’t met a single man that thought ‘she has a career, we really need to change that’. If anything, what they tend to want is to make enough money to allow their wife to be a SAHM if she wanted to. I would advise any woman to not marry a man who actively wants her to be a SAHM for his sake, because he’s probably a controlling dick. To entertain the thought though, yes she is entitled to half that the couple earned during the marriage… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/20 07:03 PM |
| 2 | If splitting assets after divorce is so bad, what should a woman do in a scenario like this?Typically when a woman becomes a SAHM mom it’s at her discretion. Very rarely do men encourage their wives to drop out of the workforce and take a massive hit to the household income, unless they’re already exceptionally well off. I’m not commenting on what SAHM’s are entitled to, just that it’s very rarely up to the male partner what they choose to do. To think otherwise is to deny women their agency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/20 06:44 PM |
| 2 | If splitting assets after divorce is so bad, what should a woman do in a scenario like this?Men who are well off to begin with remain well off during divorce. At least where I live, pre-marital assets never enter the divorce discussion except in the case where capital gains were made on the matrimonial home (which to be fair is also bullshit, but at least they’re entitled to half the gain and not half the total). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/20 06:40 PM |
| 14 | If splitting assets after divorce is so bad, what should a woman do in a scenario like this?It’s the same problem with divorce in general, applying population statistics to individuals doesn’t often work out very well. Women do file for divorce more often. Marriages often end in divorce. Why do we so quickly take those stats and assume they’ll happen to us? We would never do that with obesity for example. Statistically I should obese af, but I’m not. I’m better than that, in fact I’m better than the average in most ways. People need to stop looking at the average and assuming that’s th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/20 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.Nah, you shouldn’t get married even if the law were to change. It seems like you see people as men and women and not as individuals. You already have your prospective future wife pegged as an immature potential gold digger who can’t take responsibility for her actions. You should stay far away from the institution of marriage until you can actually see a woman as an equal, because that’s basically the entire premise, and it’s why so many can’t deal with the prospect of divorce. This is why I adv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/20 04:57 PM |
| 1 | No, biology doesn't say that you "should" reproduce / spread your genesProto-humans very likely did not give a damn about contraception in the first place, this whole tangent is nothing more than a red herring | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/20 04:16 AM |
| 4 | No, biology doesn't say that you "should" reproduce / spread your genesLol I hate to break it to you but no they don’t. What makes sex with a partner better is purely psychological. And no, those forms of contraception do not detract from pleasure, because it’s derived from neural signalling in the context of sex, during which no matter what our dumb lizard brains are wired to see as successful reproduction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 09:18 PM |
| 7 | No, biology doesn't say that you "should" reproduce / spread your genesThe desire for sex cannot be uncoupled from the subconscious instinct to reproduce, it’s reliant on it. Masturbation feels good, but sex with a partner feels better. Why do you think that is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 06:33 PM |
| 2 | No, biology doesn't say that you "should" reproduce / spread your genesHumans existed more or less in our current state long before civilization did. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 04:37 PM |
| 1 | No, biology doesn't say that you "should" reproduce / spread your genesYes exactly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 03:56 PM |
| 2 | What non-physical aspects do you value in women?Absolutely shocking I know | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 03:44 PM |
| 15 | What non-physical aspects do you value in women?I love how women love aesthetics. I mean that in terms of makeup, fashion, interior design, etc. I can’t be bothered with any of that, but I love a woman who likes to decorate the things around her and make them beautiful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 03:42 PM |
| 1 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.You should see every failure that you’re a part of as at least partly your own fault, yes. Abdication of responsibility never ends well, typically nor does outright rejection of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 03:32 PM |
| 2 | No, biology doesn't say that you "should" reproduce / spread your genesNo, but you might find seeing them graduate from college meaningful. You might find that a more meaningful experience than anything else you ever do in your life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 03:23 PM |
| 6 | No, biology doesn't say that you "should" reproduce / spread your genesBefore contraception there was no difference. I would even argue that sex evolved to be pleasurable as just an added layer of reproductive drive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 03:22 PM |
| 7 | No, biology doesn't say that you "should" reproduce / spread your genesWhy do you think sex evolved to be pleasurable? For most species there’s no pleasure involved. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 03:19 PM |
| 2 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.This is a lie that men tell themselves when they don’t feel like taking accountability for the type of partner they are. No relationship fails for no reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 03:11 PM |
| 2 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.Do you seriously believe that you have no influence over your partner’s demeanour, or that your own behaviour affects your chances of continuing a relationship? You think women in otherwise happy relationships just wake up one day and decide to dip on a whim? That’s delusion my guy. Have some accountability. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 03:09 PM |
| 1 | I think this idea that both red pillers and blue pillers seem to have that attractive men benefit from hookup culture is not necessarily true. Promiscuous attractive men benefit from hookup culture but not all attractive men. All men who are serious about monogamy should hate hookup culture.It’s also because a ton of men are not upfront when they do not want a relationship. Many men genuinely believe it’s not unethical to string someone along in that way, but then also complain when a woman has slept with 5 guys, all of whom that didn’t have the sack to just be honest about their intentions. It’s a complex situation, and of course those women also are accountable and should be standing up for themselves. My point is simply that most women still prefer to be in a relationship when g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 04:43 AM |
| 4 | I think this idea that both red pillers and blue pillers seem to have that attractive men benefit from hookup culture is not necessarily true. Promiscuous attractive men benefit from hookup culture but not all attractive men. All men who are serious about monogamy should hate hookup culture.Women don’t seek relationships with betas, they will settle for one if they have to though. Sure though, they definitely are more promiscuous on average than they were 5 decades ago, but that’s also because men have begun enabling it. Every person who participates in it is responsible. In my experience most women still prefer to be in a relationship, no matter how high their n-count. It’s a very select few women that really slut it up just for the sake of it, and they’re easy enough to weed out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 04:16 AM |
| 3 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.Hard disagree. Women can be an absolute pleasure to have around. If you’re having a hard time with all women, then the problem is not the women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 04:07 AM |
| 7 | I think this idea that both red pillers and blue pillers seem to have that attractive men benefit from hookup culture is not necessarily true. Promiscuous attractive men benefit from hookup culture but not all attractive men. All men who are serious about monogamy should hate hookup culture.They did want to hookup with me, they didn’t want just that though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/20 04:05 AM |
| 6 | I think this idea that both red pillers and blue pillers seem to have that attractive men benefit from hookup culture is not necessarily true. Promiscuous attractive men benefit from hookup culture but not all attractive men. All men who are serious about monogamy should hate hookup culture.It’s hard to find it all in one woman, for sure. Just as it is in one man. And yeah, you have to make some concessions here and there, but that’s alright. By smart I don’t just mean educated either. The number of people I know that have college or even university degrees and really impressive careers, but can’t critically think for shit, is too damn high. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.Been there, done that. I’ve learned there’s a lot more to life than just sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 10:00 PM |
| 4 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.Exactly. For as much talk as there is in the Manosphere about self-improvement, I always see people abdicating responsibility when it comes to marriage. Suggest taking responsibility for your health and appearance via working out? ‘Awesome, can do’. Suggest taking responsibility for your shitty attitude and marital problems? ‘Fuck that, I’m perfect’. It always baffles me how anxious and avoidant (aka beta) some supposedly red pilled guys are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 09:59 PM |
| 2 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.You’re not likely to ever have an intensely intimate experience that you will literally never forget with a one night stand. Love is an insanely powerful drug, some would say it’s the source of human progress. We’re extremely social animals, almost everything we do is based on that end. For most it’s what gives our lives meaning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Marriage can be an acceptable risk for some but for the overwhelming majority of men, it's an arrangement that leads to bad outcomes.I feel like you’re not really arguing against his point here, which is fine because I think he’s right. You are also in essence saying you need to actually be a good man to be worthy of marriage, which is correct. The only difference as I see it is that you’re putting the responsibility on the men, while OP’s pov suggests abdicating from that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 09:43 PM |
| 8 | I think this idea that both red pillers and blue pillers seem to have that attractive men benefit from hookup culture is not necessarily true. Promiscuous attractive men benefit from hookup culture but not all attractive men. All men who are serious about monogamy should hate hookup culture.Smart, funny, beautiful, kind/nurturing, loyal, good family values, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Why are RPillers so negative towards men who choose to become stepfathers?It’s a complex behaviour, it’s not going to be explained by a single factor and there’s definitely something biological going on. Parental investment theory alone would predict that men are far less likely to care to for another mans child, that ties into what you’re saying about it being work. It’s an investment and not one that pays on a genetic legacy basis. Kinship is a big factor, we know that genetic distance is strongly correlated with behaviour. That even holds true when men do take on t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 05:45 PM |
| 1 | Why are RPillers so negative towards men who choose to become stepfathers?That’s fair, I’m just saying you see it a lot more later on in life. That’s almost the only time you do see it actually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 05:18 PM |
| 6 | I think this idea that both red pillers and blue pillers seem to have that attractive men benefit from hookup culture is not necessarily true. Promiscuous attractive men benefit from hookup culture but not all attractive men. All men who are serious about monogamy should hate hookup culture.Neither of those are really issues. What constitutes sleeping around exactly? Where is your line? 1 partner, 10 partners, 20? Realistically most women are going to have between 5 and 10 in their lifetime, but you can find women with fewer if you know how to filter for them. Church girls for example tend to be on the lower end. To your second problem, women have not raised their standards for relationships, only for hookups. Their relationship standards have actually dropped precipitously, the ba… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 05:13 PM |
| 8 | I think this idea that both red pillers and blue pillers seem to have that attractive men benefit from hookup culture is not necessarily true. Promiscuous attractive men benefit from hookup culture but not all attractive men. All men who are serious about monogamy should hate hookup culture.How so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 05:06 PM |
| 49 | I think this idea that both red pillers and blue pillers seem to have that attractive men benefit from hookup culture is not necessarily true. Promiscuous attractive men benefit from hookup culture but not all attractive men. All men who are serious about monogamy should hate hookup culture.I’ve never worried about dating in this era, at least not because I’ve had difficulty finding women who want relationships. Finding quality women, regardless of what they want, has been the issue. I think the idea of hook up culture is overblown anyway. I’ve met way more women who wanted relationships than I have who just wanted to hook up. I also got the feeling a lot of the women who did just want to hook up were being dishonest to themselves and didn’t want to admit that they wanted a relatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 05:04 PM |
| 3 | Why are RPillers so negative towards men who choose to become stepfathers?The potential for it is there but you have to invest a lot more along the way. It’s kind of a last resort scenario. That’s probably why nobody in their 20s or even 30s generally wants to date single moms, but once you get into your 40s it seems like a lot less of a trade off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 04:52 PM |
| 1 | Why are RPillers so negative towards men who choose to become stepfathers?The sperm bank example falls a bit flat when you consider that psychological motivations are not purely mechanical, they’re based on long developed neural networks. Even though using a sperm bank should in theory sate the biological drive to reproduce, it just doesn’t, because the natural behaviour that tends towards reproduction is sex. Just as another example in the same vein, you could in theory just blend all of your food and drink it, or better yet be placed on life support and live with a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 04:30 PM |
| 11 | Why are RPillers so negative towards men who choose to become stepfathers?You realize that even most men who have no idea what RP even is tend to be repulsed by the idea of raising another man’s children ya? Almost nobody wants to date a single mom, except for maybe single dads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/20 04:17 PM |
| 2 | The nature of the other genderI think the major problem is the circlejerk aspect, which unfortunately is just part and parcel with internet communities. Red pill philosophy in a vacuum is much less abrasive than your average red pill user comes across. For example, the reading lists promote adoption of personal responsibility, but then of course 90% or more of the users never bother even doing the reading. What you end up with is the overwhelming majority of users just getting their information from angry posts, instead of g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/12/20 08:22 PM |
| 4 | How did the average female body used to look like in ancient times?I guess the women of antiquity were all on PEDs and had male-like testosterone levels, who knew right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/20 09:41 PM |
| 1 | The nature of the other genderYeah. In my experience most men, even the red pilled ones, just want the opportunity to love and be loved (most of us end up there because that’s not happening). TRP gives men short term solutions to their longterm problems, I think because the first step to love these days is sex. It does help men find sex (and relationships if they’re so inclined to go against the dogma and aren’t damaged to the point of no return) but it doesn’t help with anything that comes next. That’s why most of them, eve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/20 09:21 PM |
| 2 | Could it be that RPers are just aiming for unattainable women?Yes, but then you need to account for the differential rating patterns. Men rank women on a bell curve, so those that are ranked very unattractive are in reality very unattractive. Women seemed to rate most men below 60th percentile as very unattractive when realistically there’s an entire area in there that is average and slightly below average. To me it just shows their messaging habits display some level of cognitive dissonance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/20 08:54 PM |
| 1 | Doesn't the low participation of women on online dating apps actually prove that women care about personality more than they care about looks?You’re probably best off starting here: https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2020/06/emotionresearcher.com-Sexual-Disgust-An-Evolutionary-Perspective-1.pdf It lowers relationship opportunities because of sexual disgust, like the researchers above discuss. There is a level of disgust associated with promiscuity, for men and women. Socially enforced monogamy is just the answer to that problem, among others (like paternity fraud, which ties into parental investment theory). For those that are disg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/20 08:51 PM |
| 2 | Could it be that RPers are just aiming for unattainable women?When women catch on they don’t really care though, unless the ‘red pilled’ guy in question is still in the anger phase. If more men up their game and actually reach a healthy level of acceptance then so will most women. That basically constitutes a return to more traditional dating roles and expectations, which is kind of the dynamic equilibrium Im talking about. Then something, say 6th wave feminism or something, may again shake the norms. I don’t know really, but I think it’s cool that I’ve no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/20 03:42 AM |
| 2 | The nature of the other genderThat last paragraph is a great point, I really have nothing to say other than that. I completely relate because the pure ruthlessly data driven approach did fail me at one point, and despite still considering myself ‘red pilled’ I did have to go through a period of philosophical change to get to a more comfortable area. Thanks :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/20 03:39 AM |
| 2 | The nature of the other genderI think we do have different definitions of nature, for me it’s exclusively derived from data at the population level. I don’t think it could be done any other way, because the terms ‘male’ and ‘female’ refer specifically to discrete populations. That’s just the statistician in me though. Jung was a brilliant man but he wasn’t a psychometrician, so while he may have had brilliant insights into the male and female experience I don’t find that constitutes a group’s ‘nature’. Fair enough about TRP.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 10:25 PM |
| 4 | Could it be that RPers are just aiming for unattainable women?Women tend not to make the first move to begin with. If there’s data on the number of messages sent I’m almost certain what you’d see is that even though proportionally men message women who are out of their league, they’re still sending more total messages to less attractive women than those women are to them. What I think is probably happening is women don’t bother shooting their shot unless they think they have a reasonable chance at success. Men pretty much know it’s a numbers game on the ot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 10:06 PM |
| 8 | Could it be that RPers are just aiming for unattainable women?It does, it’s like a dynamic equilibrium. Men are getting more redpilled as a reaction to changing sexual norms, and as a result the sexual norms are beginning to shift back. As that happens you can expect to see less RP concepts in the mainstream. It’s kinda cool to watch it happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 10:01 PM |
| 1 | The nature of the other genderNo, they’re exactly like math, they are math. These things can and have been modelled. They’re based on populations though, so while they can be predictive, they’re not deterministic. That’s the pitfall so many are prone to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 09:52 PM |
| 1 | The nature of the other genderThen you’d probably be amazed just how little free will you actually have, at any age. Think about how you feel at any given time. You ever have a really sugary breakfast that leaves you feeling tired and sluggish an hour later? You ever oversleep and feel lethargic? Literally any feeling you have, ever, is a product of your current hormonal balance. We are perpetual slaves to our biochemistry. That’s not to say we can’t do anything to influence our hormonal environment, but you need awareness t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 09:45 PM |
| 1 | The nature of the other genderI mean, yes, men are on average more logical and stoic. That’s trait neuroticism. But yes, we are more aggressive and violent as well, I don’t think anyone seriously disputes that. Thus the saying “There’s nothing more dangerous than a weak man”. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 09:41 PM |
| 1 | The nature of the other genderIf you read literally any of the psychometric literature you’d see in an instant that you’re wrong. There’s a ton of overlap in single traits, yes, but you can still take a descriptive profile of someone’s psychometric scores and predict very accurately whether they’re male or female. So for example, if you told me this person is above average in agreeableness, and I just assume that they’re a woman, statistically I have about a 60% chance to be correct. If you then say they’re also high in neur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 09:38 PM |
| 3 | Doesn't the low participation of women on online dating apps actually prove that women care about personality more than they care about looks?Solution 1 is dystopian and not feasible and solution 2 is incompatible with human psychological values. Men will never accept a society in which women are completely sexually unrestricted because that leads to problems like paternity fraud. That’s what all the fuss about n-count is really about, and no amount of ‘sensitivity training’ will fix that. It’s hard-wired, we generally don’t like sluts, and that’s okay. Besides, it wouldn’t have your suggested outcome anyway. In practically all specie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 09:11 PM |
| 3 | Doesn't the low participation of women on online dating apps actually prove that women care about personality more than they care about looks?I don’t think they’re blaming men’s horniness on modernity, it looks like they’re blaming open hypergamy and polygyny on modernity. Men have always been this horny, but there’s never been a better time to be a top 20% man, and that’s mostly due to women’s behaviour becoming less restricted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 06:58 PM |
| 4 | Doesn't the low participation of women on online dating apps actually prove that women care about personality more than they care about looks?It didn’t say it was modernity’s fault, I specifically said that it’s always been that way. You seem to be the one saying male horniness is a modern phenomenon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 05:01 PM |
| 7 | Doesn't the low participation of women on online dating apps actually prove that women care about personality more than they care about looks?Hooking up regularly without commitment is a pretty normal phase in the dating process these days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 03:59 PM |
| 9 | Doesn't the low participation of women on online dating apps actually prove that women care about personality more than they care about looks?Men have always been way hornier than women, that’s been well-documented in psychological literature for decades. It should be common knowledge by now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/20 03:56 PM |
| 1 | Women don't mind less successful men. They just don't want losers.I... never said they were all gold diggers though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/20 02:24 PM |
| 1 | Why do we always talk about female hypogamy and not male hypogamy?You’re using the sociological definition exclusively. The red pill includes the evolutionary psychology definition, which includes but isn’t limited to wealth and instead refers to SMV or RMV as a whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/20 11:49 PM |
| 3 | How to look for Long Term Relationships as a successful man?Depending on where you live you may actually be better off being pretty lenient in the prenup. If the judge gets the sense it’s not fair and that your spouse is getting shafted then they’re just going to throw the whole thing in the trash. They’re only legally binding until they’re not. The best case scenario is to have your shit in order before the marriage and just expect to pay half on everything that you made during the marriage, no matter what. If you get away with paying less then congrats… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/20 11:09 PM |
| 1 | How to look for Long Term Relationships as a successful man?I don’t think he needs to do much different, if he’s a smart guy. Gold diggers are a dime a dozen, you can spot them pretty easily. A successful dude can have nice shit and a marriageable woman will enjoy that element without it being an obvious priority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/20 10:45 PM |
| 4 | Women don't mind less successful men. They just don't want losers.Statistically younger women outearn young men, it only makes sense that the number of breadwinning women was going to increase proportionally. The fact that it’s not a majority yet, even though by wealth alone it should be, is proof enough that women are averse to ‘marrying down’ financially. What you want to also be looking at is number of marriages in general (which was trending down last I saw) and timing of marriages (which are coming later in life). I think what you’ll see looking at that d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/20 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Why do sexual fantasies seem to deeply follow gender norms?Loopholes baby | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/20 05:13 PM |
| 4 | Why do sexual fantasies seem to deeply follow gender norms?No, but having a woman put a dildo in it might. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 09:26 PM |
| 3 | Why do sexual fantasies seem to deeply follow gender norms?It’s pretty nice. Rotary phones are fucking lit 👌 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 09:06 PM |
| 5 | Why do sexual fantasies seem to deeply follow gender norms?If you want a cock in your ass I think that constitutes being attracted to men. Call me old fashioned I guess 🤷♂️ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 09:05 PM |
| -2 | Why do sexual fantasies seem to deeply follow gender norms?I disagree. Pegging is gay. You’re putting a simulated cock in your ass. At that point you’re one glass of wine “too many” away from just opting for the actual thing. And that’s fine, nothing wrong with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 06:04 PM |
| 1 | Why do sexual fantasies seem to deeply follow gender norms?In the sense that it basically makes you the “bottom”, then yes. After a certain extent butt play basically just becomes gay sex that lacks biological male genitalia and substitutes with simulated male genitalia. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 03:39 PM |
| 4 | How do you explain men redpill would consider 10/10s still getting horrible results with women?It’s not anti-marriage, it’s anti “beta”, and most men who get married do so because they’re beta. If you can actually handle the responsibility and implications of marriage there’s nothing wrong with it, it’s one of the more red-pilled things you can do actually. Think of it this way. If you approach marriage thinking “I love this person, they’re my soulmate. I don’t want to spend the rest of my life without them”, then you’re just setting yourself up for failure if anything goes wrong. It’s a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/20 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Should men put in as much time & effort on their appearance as women?Obviously a picture of the same dude chopping wood is going to inspire more admiration than him just flexing. I’m saying the context only matters when you actually control for the physique. Take a 120lb wet noodle chopping wood and any decently muscular guy just chilling with his shirt off and they’re still going to pick the muscular dude. The context only matters when physique is the same, which means the physique is the more important variable and the context is just icing. There’s inherent ut… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/20 04:07 PM |
| 1 | Should men put in as much time & effort on their appearance as women?I’ve never known a single woman who cared whether I went to the gym for aesthetics vs functional training. They don’t like unchecked narcissism, but that goes way beyond vanity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/20 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Is passing your genes and having kids that important ?Yes, I have strong protective instincts and I love very hard. I’m imagining I’ll cry tears of happiness when I hold my first child. I think it’s probably one of the most rewarding things someone can do. Everything worth doing is difficult, and there’s no shortage of talk about how difficult it is to raise kids at times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/20 06:36 PM |
| 3 | Is passing your genes and having kids that important ?I want to have kids because I think it’s one of the most meaningful things a person can do in their lives. Subconsciously though that’s probably because of evolved reproductive instinct, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/20 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyI don’t think women suck any more than men do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/09/20 11:25 PM |
| 1 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyWhat a creative way of ignoring the entire point of the original comment so that you can remain entrenched in your “men suck” worldview. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/20 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyWhat? The world as we know it relies on infrastructure. The power grid alone is one single infrastructure which is responsible for facilitating modern life. There’s also architecture, plumbing, transit, etc etc etc. I’m also not just talking about the US. Pick any modernized country. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/20 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyI never said they were. Survival was tough work for everyone until extremely recently. That does not negate the fact that the overwhelming burden of physical labour that went into building the infrastructure we now have was carried out by men. I’m not saying men do more work, I’m saying we’ve done more of a very specific kind of work and the primary motivating factor for that historically has been to provide for a family. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/20 04:22 PM |
| 2 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyTrue enough that there has always been and always will be an elite class. Except that in early human history the elite class of men consisted of the best warriors and hunters. The ones putting their lives on the line, and living to tell the tale the most. Their sons included. It wasn’t until the relatively new concept of land-ownership and central banking became a thing that the hierarchy turned into one of wealth instead of one of character and physical prowess. And to that end, there are still… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/20 08:22 PM |
| 6 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyWhat an incredibly limited and pessimistic worldview. The oldest tales and traditions from long before there was ever such an 'elite class' would suggest otherwise. The principles of heroism and self-sacrifice are nothing new. They even exist in other species, suggesting it's a much older phenomenon, dating back to long before humans were ever a species. You deny men their agency because it would seem that you cannot for a moment comprehend that perhaps the overwhelming majority of men are not e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/20 06:31 PM |
| 3 | The overwhelming feminist approval, and criticism over conservative criticism over Cardi B and her song "WAP", is evidence that, despite many claims to the contrary, women ARE as horny as menThere's always going to be overlap on those distributions, just like with every other trait. Nobody has ever claimed every single man is hornier than every single women. The claim is that on average, at the population level, men are much hornier than women, and that's just an inarguable fact at this point. And if you want to get a lot of sex as a man consensually, it's probably best to assume the woman you want to bang is on the same level as you horny wise so as not to feel like a predator, as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/20 06:20 PM |
| 1 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyAnd yet even for the drones ambition and competitiveness get them much farther than the lack thereof. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/20 06:12 PM |
| 2 | Cobra Kai, as an Allegory for TRPDread is just the concept that you need to remain attractive to other women and make sure your current partner is aware of that. Women have intrinsic dread, the RP concept is just to level the playing field in that sense, but yes it is unfortunate when it becomes a conscious concerted behaviour rather than just a side-effect of being naturally attractive. Ideally, you become attractive to the point that you don't have to consciously partake, and it's just something that's understood. 'Enjoy the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/20 06:09 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: If men gatekeep commitment, who exactly are the women being gate kept out of commitment?The women on tinder who consistently get pumped and dumped, mostly. Or the 30+ women who have several cats. Small sub-populations of horribly non-self-aware women mostly. Same way incels are a small sub-population of non-self-aware men being gatekept out of sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/20 05:58 PM |
| 1 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyCould you be more specific? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/20 05:53 PM |
| 5 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyYou just listed a bunch of typically masculine behaviours that aren't congruent with city life in general, but that does not mean all masculine behaviours are not, or even most. In fact, I think your above post about aggression, competitiveness, and ambition, is way off the mark. Those are the exact traits that most extremely successful businessmen need to succeed, and they live exclusively in metropolis cities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/20 05:52 PM |
| 12 | Men aren't supposed to live like they do in today's societyOf course it’s the case that the world men built has become better for women than men. The men of the past slaving away in mills and coal mines were never doing it for themselves, they were doing it for their wives and children. The modern concept of patriarchy, at least insofar that it’s been a universally oppressive force applied from every man onto every woman, is a complete and utter lie. Anyone who truly believes that has to have the observational skills of a toddler. Men as a group (not al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/20 04:14 PM |
| 1 | Incel, Feminism and FDS megathreadI agree, mostly. There is a limit to what behaviour before the sudden revelation is acceptable. There’s also generally a limit as to how much someone can even change themselves anyway, since high n-count seems to correlate mostly with high sociosexual personality traits, which aren’t fluid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/20 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Incel, Feminism and FDS megathreadWhat tools will they give you? If you’re depressed they can with that. Women don’t like depressed men. If you’re anxious and needy they can help with that. Women don’t like anxious and needy men. If you have anger issues, they can help with that. Women don’t like men who fly off the handle at every little thing. Emotionally, women are attracted to stable, dependable men. If that’s not you, then you need a therapist for being able to maintain any relationship with women. The therapist isn’t going… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/20 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Incel, Feminism and FDS megathreadYeah, they can be addictive. That’s why I said they’re good for short term, helping people just be functional during moments of extreme stress. They should not be used chronically. That’s why I said a good therapist will take people off of them in favour of longterm solutions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/20 05:00 PM |
| 2 | Incel, Feminism and FDS megathreadIf it’s arbitrary, yes. If it’s not, and it’s actually part of their principles like I mentioned, then no they won’t. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/20 04:12 PM |
| 1 | Incel, Feminism and FDS megathreadIt is not weak and meaningless. They give you the advice and tools you need, they’re not going to hold your fucking hand through it. If sex is all you want then a therapist isn’t what you need anyway, the therapist is there to steer you away from unhealthy mindsets that might be holding you back, but they’re not going to be able to teach you pick up. That is, in fact, not their fucking job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/20 04:10 PM |
| 3 | Incel, Feminism and FDS megathreadMost chemical imbalances can be corrected short term by medication, but should be corrected longterm by lifestyle modification. Serotonin first example. SSRIs are great, and they work, but so does actually going out and accomplishing a goal that means something to you. In the longterm that’s what you want, and that’s what a good therapist guides you towards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/20 02:49 PM |
| 5 | Incel, Feminism and FDS megathreadIt depends on the kid. Obviously it’s not going to work for everyone, but letting them find it out themselves is definitely more likely to make them an incel than trying to inspire them early. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/20 02:46 PM |
| 15 | Incel, Feminism and FDS megathreadThere are traditional men out there who respect a woman wanting to wait, that’s their target. Now, it’s best if that actually aligns with her principles and she’s not just doing it out of some arbitrary rule though, which unfortunately I believe is what most of FDS is. From what I’ve seen, it’s not women actually reflecting and internalizing, it’s just manipulation, not unlike some of the more shady red pill tactics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/20 02:42 PM |
| 2 | Roommate “lost a date” when she offered to split the check and he agreedI don’t mind paying on a first date if it goes well, I actually prefer to. But if you offer to split the check I’m going to let you. If you get petty about it because you never wanted to in the first place, then you shouldn’t have offered, and just for the little game you’re playing there’s no way in hell you're relationship material anyway. Your roommate did the right thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/20 10:22 PM |
| 1 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.Fair enough | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 08:08 PM |
| 2 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.I agree, I wish that some of the older members had stuck around to guide the newer men or the ones that are just there to bitch about women. Sadly, I’ve got shit to do, and so do they, so I can’t spend near as much time to that end as I’d like. Instead, I try to guide men in my personal life, to lead by example. It seems to be working and I’m happy enough with it. Generally TRP philosophy can definitely work for women. The self-improvement aspects, and even the dating advice aspects, but obvious… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.Some of them clearly do, as they spend a disproportionate amount of time online discussing how much they hate women. It’s ironic. Although yes, true MGTOWs are probably just fine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 06:28 PM |
| 2 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.TRP is a toolbox. It’s not inherently misogynistic. Most of the core theory can be traced back to some studies or some data. Usually evo psych, but often times just general population states, like divorce rates, etc. Some of the conclusions that the users there (anger phase ones) make based on that data definitely are misogynistic. The idea is to eventually reach acceptance though. It’s no more manipulative than any other dating advice generally is. The good is that it offers men a more accurate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 06:19 PM |
| 1 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.The sub is a small subsection of its users. Ultimately, most men are supposed to ‘graduate’ and move on from needing the actual sub, and I think most do. What you’re left with on the sub is a small number of endorses contributors, and an overwhelming number of men still in the anger phase. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Do women actually like men?On that I would disagree. Some women may, women as a group do not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 03:27 PM |
| 5 | Do women actually like men?No they don’t. Women treat nice men like 2 day old feces when that’s the only thing they have going for them. Being a good man, the type someone can rely on and admire, the type women want to marry and have children with, is hard work. It’s also an act of bravery, because there’s no guarantee it’ll last forever. If you’re looking for anything to be guaranteed because your poor little feelings can’t handle adversity, then you’re not a good man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 03:10 PM |
| 1 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.You have no basis for declaring that. The sub doesn’t represent the majority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 03:04 PM |
| 2 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.Yes you clearly know my relationship so well. Jesus Christ. Like I said, it’s just one big straw man with you. You have this idea of what red pill philosophy is, which may be applicable in some scenarios but not all, and not only do you ascribe this idea you have to the entire philosophy and the areas where it doesn’t apply, but you’re ascribing it to every single man who follows it. You should start addressing people as individuals instead of projecting your presupposed biases on them, it would… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.Then you obviously haven’t explored the philosophy very well. You have an idea of what it means to be ‘red pilled’ in your head that you’ve based this entire post and comment chain on, and you just assume that every single man that subscribed to the ideology must fit that bill. I have no intentions of pumping and dumping anyone, I’m planning to marry the woman I’m with now, and that’s entirely compatible with red pill philosophy. Some users, still in the anger phase, would say that’s ill-advised… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 02:53 PM |
| 1 | Do women actually like men?If you’re a man who’s celibate, whether voluntary or involuntary, the problem is not the women. If every single woman around you cannot stand your company, or you cannot stand theirs, I repeat, the problem is not the women. That works vice versa as well. And all these people in those categories, they may be good people, worth knowing, but if they’re not worth dating or getting their genes into the next generation, then they’re not good men or women, because that’s fundamental part of manhood or … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 04:41 AM |
| 5 | Do women actually like men?Women like good men. The thing is there are fewer and fewer good men by the year. This causes resentment among women, which causes resentment among men. It’s a chicken and egg scenario really, but the point is we’re now in a feedback loop that I’m not sure how we get out of. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 04:25 AM |
| 2 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.Guess I forgot the /s, but then you did too. You’re right, realistically I’ve got nothing to worry about. We do have a pre-nup, but that’s to protect her own assets mostly. Her dad is pretty wealthy and I expect her inheritance will be pretty substantial. I wouldn’t want to rob her of that just in case things don’t work out. What do you even know of my philosophy anyway? It seems like you’ve assumed a lot about my personality just based on my flair. If I didn’t have you here shedding wisdom for … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 02:23 AM |
| 4 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.We’ve known each other 7 years. Maybe it just hasnt been long enough? Fuck you really got me worried! Tell me Ms. Psychic, what can I do to appease the future? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.Red pill is not just about attraction. When it comes to my family and friends it’s more about admiration, but they do ask me for dating and general life advice a lot, so sure | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 02:05 AM |
| 9 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.Oh shit you better tell my fiancée how miserable she is, she must not realize it! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 02:03 AM |
| 1 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.Sorry, I meant with other women outside my relationship. Sister, mom, coworkers, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 02:02 AM |
| 11 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.No, I mean in a bi-directional sense. They’re much happier with me now | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 12:30 AM |
| 14 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.I’m saying that it’s only ever improved my relationships with women, sexual or otherwise. Your post would indicate that they should be avoiding me like the plague. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 12:06 AM |
| 25 | Every (wo)man should be exposed to red pill content, as this would help achieve the antithetical goal of trp itself.Huh, strangely enough whenever I engage in red pill behaviours or covert discussion about it with the women in my life it only ever improves my relationship. I guess we have different experiences on that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/20 12:00 AM |
| 1 | Evolutionary psychology's take on women's long term mate preferences.There’s no evidence that it’s related to insecurity, it’s a female universal that exists cross-culturally. Even in tribal cultures where feminism just does not even exist, women prefer taller men. It is not the case that it has no limits either, there are metabolic and pragmatic trade offs, so your argument about how men would be 8 feet tall by now on average doesn’t hold up. Finally, I’m not saying height is everything, I didn’t say that. YOU said that height is nothing though, and that’s not t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/20 06:38 PM |
| 1 | Evolutionary psychology's take on women's long term mate preferences.I’m talking about population level differences that set the rule. I’m not saying short men never get laid or that women never prefer shorter men, that’s just not how the law of large numbers work and it’s a blatant misunderstanding of raw statistical data. Obviously shorter men can get laid, they can be strong and courageous too, but at the population level it’s just a fact that taller men are stronger on average, which results in a slight overall preference for taller men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/20 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Evolutionary psychology's take on women's long term mate preferences.I’m just telling you why women like tall men, it’s not even incongruent with your own words. You said strength was important, and I’m agreeing. Tall men are stronger and faster on average, it’s a definite survival advantage when it comes to dealing with predators and other hostile tribes. I don’t know what exactly has you out here arguing that there’s no evolutionary advantage for men to be taller than women. If there weren’t then there wouldn’t be the sexual dimorphism in the first place, so th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/20 04:33 PM |
| 5 | Evolutionary psychology's take on women's long term mate preferences.That’s my goal. Admittedly I was a lot like a lot of the men on the TRP sub for a while, I was getting more successful with women but my view of them was deteriorating, and I was more miserable than before I had joined. I grew up wanting a partner, a relationship like my mom and dad had, and I think red pill made me believe that wasn’t possible anymore, that it wasn’t congruent with red pill principles. That’s the wrong frame though, red pill principles make it easier to achieve that if you can … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/20 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Evolutionary psychology's take on women's long term mate preferences.Bruh you literally said, skills strength and courage were everything. All I’m telling you is that if physical strength is important to survival, which you yourself said it is, then height is a cofactor and it makes sense why women select for height in men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/20 02:29 PM |
| 6 | Evolutionary psychology's take on women's long term mate preferences.I generally agree, which is why I don’t spend much time on the red pill sub anymore. It’s corrupted by users who are still angry and biased. I’d rather mull about here and chime in on some things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/20 03:23 AM |
| 1 | Evolutionary psychology's take on women's long term mate preferences.Height is correlated with upper body strength and athleticism in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/20 02:37 AM |
| 12 | Evolutionary psychology's take on women's long term mate preferences.‘Sexy sons’ as far as I know is part of the larger ‘Dual mating strategy’ hypothesis, which does exist in red pill theory as AF/BB, but is based on evo psych literature. Since most men don’t have all of the traits listed in the OP, and instead tend to have either longterm investment traits or the sexy physical traits, women are inclined to have kids with the hot tall athletic guys and then let the less hot but stable and dependable guys raise the kids. They get the genetic potential of the alpha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/20 02:35 AM |
| 4 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?Depends on the context. Polygamy is generally used to describe multiple spouses, but if we’re just talking about a biological phenomenon where individuals have multiple sexual partners they’re interchangeable terms. If a woman has 3 regular sex partners, that is still polygamy, they don’t necessarily need to be married. You can get even more specific and call it polyandry if you want, still polygamy though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/20 01:48 PM |
| 5 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?I thought it was common knowledge that there was a lot of polygamy in ancient civilizations. The word itself has a Greek-Latin origin. Anyway, if you need a citation then here: Betzig, Laura (1993). "Sex, succession, and stratification in the first six civilizations: How powerful men reproduced, passed power on to their sons, and used power to defend their wealth, women, and children". In Lee, Ellis (ed.). Social Stratification and socioeconomic inequality Vol. 1. Westport CT: Praeger. pp. 37–74… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/20 12:04 AM |
| 3 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?History texts? 😂 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?Polyamory in a society destabilizes it. Thus it’s shunned by most people because we prefer a stable society. I don’t really get what’s confusing about that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 11:37 PM |
| 5 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?Most fallen ancient civilizations practiced polyamory and fell to more unified civilizations. Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Aztec Mexico, Incan Peru, etc etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 11:35 PM |
| 8 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?I mean, they’re existing, but they’re not exactly topping the charts on anything, and if for any reason anyone wanted their land they could basically just take it. It’s not a lifestyle that’s scaleable to an entire civilization. And sure, individual poly people are fine, but across a population if levels of polyamory get too high it destabilizes society. It’s well known in the anthropological literature that monogamous societies emerged as a means to lower crime and increase productivity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 10:04 PM |
| 9 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?Throughout history polygynous societies have been pretty common. Polyandrous societies have been a lot less common, but Mosou comes to mind. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rstb.2011.0290 There’s a competitive advantage for monogamous society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 09:02 PM |
| -1 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?It’s not true in absolutes, in the sense that any individuals enjoying polyamory whatsoever is bad for society. It does have a destabilizing affect across populations though. To that extent, open encouragement of polyamory from a societal perspective can only ever be harmful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 08:52 PM |
| 13 | Why is so much of history just trying to control the populations sexuality? Why do people care about the sex/degeneracy of other adults?That’s not what this user is saying. They’re saying that the civilizations that are successful all rely on socially enforced monogamy. Other sexual strategies have been tried and they have a destabilizing affect, generally due to sex inequality and paternity fraud. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/20 08:45 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Why do you still seek out LTRs?I don’t give two shits what you personally think of me or RP men, my results with the women in my life speak for themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/20 12:36 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Why do you still seek out LTRs?You’re just trolling. If men weren’t encouraged to move beyond the anger phase there wouldn’t be the distinction. I can also guarantee you haven’t read a single thing from the sidebar. Your mind is made up and can’t be changed, and that’s fine, but just admit it and stop spending time on a debate sub where the goal is open-minded discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/20 11:12 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Why do you still seek out LTRs?“One-itis” is not about avoiding falling in love, it’s about knowing that should love fail you that it’s going to be okay in the end. Again, a heuristic strategy for what to do when the worst happens. It is not base level RP 101 that marriage and commitment are bad, it is RP 101 that they are risky and difficult and that you need to be very very in control of yourself to make them work. Loathing and anger are not central to RP, they’re central to the anger phase, which is openly acknowledged. Wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/20 05:40 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Why do you still seek out LTRs?AWALT is a schema that you carry to use in hindsight if you get burned, a heuristic, it’s not a rule to abide by 24/7. RP theory is not opposed to LTRs either, though many RP men definitely are. Even then, excluding those in the anger phase, it’s not necessarily because they think women are trash, it’s because they believe the risk isn’t worth the reward, which is a completely justifiable take for those who are risk-averse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/20 03:31 PM |
| 5 | How do women's and men's sex drive actually compare?The psychological literature makes it pretty clear that men have much higher libido on average. We think about sex more, we masturbate more, we initiate more and rarely refuse if initiated on, we want more partners and seek more novelty with regard to positions and experiences, we’re willing to incur more cumulative and more severe risks to get sex, we get turned on much faster and in a less complex manner, we suffer much more psychologically when we’re not getting sex, etc etc etc. Pretty much … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/20 08:59 PM |
| 1 | If afbb was the norm then the vast majority of men would have “alpha” genesBody fat level isn’t really the genetic constraint, it’s more the amount of muscle you can maintain on your frame before it’s impractical to either carry that much muscle or eat a consistent enough diet to not gain fat. It has to be very fine tuned. So with that said, any man is genetically capable of gaining enough muscle mass and then cutting down to low enough body fat to essentially get the male gymnast look, if they’re disciplined enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/20 12:23 AM |
| 1 | If afbb was the norm then the vast majority of men would have “alpha” genesThe point is the same as in my original comment, any man is capable of becoming ‘alpha’ with guidance and hard work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/20 04:22 PM |
| 1 | If afbb was the norm then the vast majority of men would have “alpha” genesMale feminists with proper guidance wouldn’t be male feminists, and they’re no less biological capable of building muscle mass than any other man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/20 04:33 PM |
| 5 | If afbb was the norm then the vast majority of men would have “alpha” genesCame here to say this. Every single man I can think of is perfectly capable of being “alpha” if they put their mind to it, because they have the genes for it but aren’t expressing it due to plasticity. Every man can put on muscle and be 10% body fat and learn to be charismatic, but most don’t as a product of a worsening (albeit more luxurious) environment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/20 10:50 PM |
| 5 | Why don't men just masturbate?I think it would’ve been more accurate to say wars have been fought for pussy. Most men are only content with the idea of being sent to their deaths during war because they believe they’re fighting for their family. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/20 10:39 PM |
| 0 | Why do so many men find women boring here?There’s only one woman I’ve ever found in my whole life (only 26 years mind you) that I find is consistently fun to be around, and I’m dating her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/20 10:05 PM |
| 41 | Why do so many dudes see sex as the best thing in the relationship, and other aspects as secondary or boring?Not with that attitude | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/20 02:32 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?That is still false. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/20 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?No, but male hardship tends to be different from female hardship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/20 02:45 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?Sex is still the base need, it does come before love because men can at least function without love if they’re getting consistent sex, even though love is the next step to ‘fulfillment’ or whatever the end goal is. The hierarchy of needs isn’t broken just because ideally love comes next, that’s literally how the hierarchy works. Serial killers is a pretty bad example imo because familial love is far different than romantic love. All you’ve pointed out is that out of the people who are most fucke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?Thanks, I appreciate the source. Looks like there’s a slight upward trend in the past decade but it’s not gendered, so I don’t think your argument that it’s just men is valid. Anyway, I don’t think you’ve spent enough time on TRP to really see what it’s about. Most men there are attempting to overcome their hurt and loneliness, it’s part of the process, there’s even a name for men in that phase. Also, this is going to sound like a cop-out to you, and in a way it is because you can’t falsify it, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 03:38 PM |
| 1 | Manosphere subs like redpill, mgtow, and others, as well as female dating strategy highly overexagerate how thirsty the average man is, as well as a how attractive an average woman is to a man.Yes, but spinning plates and developing abundance takes years for men to achieve. Women just need to kind of exist and not be unfuckable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 03:25 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?Men have always killed themselves in larger numbers, if that number is increasing (and I don’t know that it is, a source would be good), then it’s probably because society gets more and more blue-pilled by the year. Like I said, therapy can’t fix a man who just needs to man up, because no therapist can tell a man that. Men need male-only spaces like frats and TRP to turn them into men. We bond differently than women, it’s usually over shared hardship. I agree that only men can stop it, I’m just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 03:14 PM |
| 4 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?What it means, coupled with the fact that women have an easier time breaking a dry spell, is that the majority of women will never face the same mental insanity that men will when they’re not getting laid for an extended period of time. It’s just far less of a priority and one that’s not even difficult to satiate when it becomes one. For men it’s essentially always a priority, right behind food and water. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 03:09 PM |
| 5 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?Not JUST from not getting laid, but it’s a major predictive factor for anxiety disorders and depression in men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 03:03 PM |
| 7 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?That’s anecdotal at best. Men on average have much higher sex drives than women, there’s plenty of psychological literature on that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 03:02 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?Yes, because a huge percentage of men are just bitches and need to be told that sometimes. Believe it or not most men worth saving will actually react positively when they’re told to toughen up. This weird pervasive idea we have in society right now that all mental health issues need to be fixed by therapy instead of some good old fashioned hard work is bullshit and needs to disappear. If a man is a fat lazy slob who bemoans the fact that he can’t get laid or get a girlfriend how is therapy goin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 02:59 PM |
| 1 | Do you think hypergamy and the 80/20 rule is extremely exaggerated?That just means you have a hard time separating population-level statistics from individual experiences. The numbers show trends, it doesn’t mean every interaction ever falls into that trend, it just means across a large enough sample patterns begin to emerge which have some minute level of predictive power. No more no less. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 02:52 PM |
| 8 | Q4ALL: Do you guys think men naturally on a biological level are more prone to loneliness?You realize men turn to TRP to fix their loneliness right? One of the major appeals is the sense of community and brotherhood. It’s basically a frat, one of the only true male-centric spaces around, and it’s incredibly therapeutic for a lot of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/20 02:43 PM |
| 1 | I was thinking about the advantage that women have in dating and I come to a conclusion...Yes exactly, men are more variable in most traits. Women have smaller standard deviation in most traits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/20 03:00 AM |
| 1 | I was thinking about the advantage that women have in dating and I come to a conclusion...It also just makes sense biologically. Like yeah, it’s not fair, but life was never supposed to be fair. As a man it’s my duty to craft myself into a man worthy of respect, admiration, and pussy of course. That’s what men are evolutionarily, we’re the test sex, most selection happens on our genome, hence why every single person alive has twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors. And that’s okay. If women aren’t into you, it’s not the women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/20 01:29 AM |
| 1 | How many men on here have ever been approach, asked out or pursued by another woman?Present. Mostly just women I’ve met through mutual friends sliding into my Instagram DMs after I post something on my story, but I’ve had a few women at clubs lock eyes and just come dance on me too, that’s pretty awesome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/20 01:15 AM |
| 3 | Want to get lean? Control your insulin.There are varying ‘degrees’ of keto. You can be ketogenic even if you’re not on a keto diet just by being low carb and intermittent fasting. But yes, keto diets are known to increase insulin sensitivity (lower insulin levels and promote fat loss). | /r/TheRedPill | 28/06/20 03:53 PM |
| 3 | Want to get lean? Control your insulin.Drink lots of water and get at least a teaspoon of salt every day. You’ll be fine. Hangry, but fine. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/06/20 03:50 PM |
| 2 | Want to get lean? Control your insulin.I was lifting relatively heavy on a carnivore diet for 3-4 months last year. The adjustment period in the first month was pretty harsh, but afterwards as long as I was getting enough calories in total I didn’t notice a huge change in my strength. As long as you’re not planning on competing you should be able to lift near your normal levels without issue. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/06/20 03:46 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill is mostly nonsenseWell, I don’t know what to tell you then. Do you doubt that more physically attractive men will tend to have more sexual partners and more sex throughout their lives? Because that’s basically the premise of what I’m saying. I’m not saying it’s “magic”, although in my personal experience the difference is pretty stark. As soon as I started putting on muscle mass everything in life became much easier, and I have no illusions about that being just about my appearance, lifting made me or disciplined… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/20 02:45 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill is mostly nonsenseWomen will always be more sexually attracted to alpha men, because that’s quite literally how alpha is defined in red pill terminology. Alpha traits are those that arouse women sexually, while beta traits are those that satisfy their cravings for security/comfort and resources. The definitions were formulated after the fact once it was found that women are attracted to different things sexually than they tend to be emotionally, so it’s not the definitions that are wrong. The strict categorizatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/20 01:30 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill is mostly nonsenseThe point i disagree with about “red pill” is that the Alpha traits are always going to attract more girls, even if the other stuff is missing, whereas “Betas” missing alpha traits will only attract women if they’re rich or famous. Nobody is saying that though, that's my point, you only think we are. Nobody says betas don't get women (aside from maybe black pill dudes, but even then they kinda see it as an alpha omega thing vs alpha beta), they're saying that betas don't get women who are as hot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/20 06:02 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill is mostly nonsenseThat's not what I said though. What I said, was that when it comes to male bodily attractiveness, almost all of the variance is explained by cues of upper body strength. We know that women also value kindness, that does fit in a red pill model, but under the beta category. Alpha and beta traits both attract women, but at different points in their life cycles (and menstrual cycles interestingly enough), and red pill theory admits that the 'most attractive' men are going to have every single alpha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/20 03:00 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill is mostly nonsenseWhat kind of data are you looking for specifically then? Do you need to see the data showing that cues of upper body strength account for most of the variance in rated male bodily attractiveness for example? Lots of people think that’s obvious, lots of people doubt it, but the data is there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/20 02:16 PM |
| 3 | I think social media and online dating is mentally ruining womenI'm having trouble finding any recent data. Last clinical survey from 2008 puts the rates or narcissistic personality disorder at 7.7% for men and 4.8% for women. I would imagine that 12 years may have changed things but I don't have a source for that, again clinically speaking. This is a solid essay though: https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/digital-world-real-world/201909/narcissism-and-social-media-should-we-be-afraid Relevant excerpt: Men and women differ in terms of their propensity to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/20 04:09 PM |
| -2 | I think social media and online dating is mentally ruining womenI agree. Narcissism used to be a vastly predominantly male phenomenon but I believe just recently it's now the case that there are more female narcissists than male, clinically speaking. I'll see if I can find a source. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/20 03:57 PM |
| 1 | For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men?I don’t know maybe a quick google search? Also, I apparently was wrong, higher sociosexuality does correlate with higher extraversion according to Wikipedia. Having trouble pulling up the citation though, so it’s hard to say how strong that correlation is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/20 03:45 PM |
| 1 | For those who really dislike AFBB, don't you think outgoing women whilst young would be a bad match for 'stable' types of men?The term you’re looking for is sociosexual, and it’s unrelated psychologically to extraversion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/20 03:19 PM |
| 2 | Are you good at sex?Yeah I’m pretty good, never had a bad review at least. I’m confused about your question though. I don’t see why you think not wanting to wait for sex, and enjoying relationship sex more, are mutually exclusive. They’re not. I don’t like to wait for sex, because I enjoy it. Casual sex is great, but relationship sex tends to be better imo because it takes a couple rounds or more to get to know if someone has any unique erogenous zones or psychological triggers that really makes them go off. You al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/20 03:04 PM |
| 1 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?There’s a reason they called gunpowder ‘they great equalizer’. You have to remember that for almost the entirety of human existence we existed in small tribal groups fighting over women and resources with sticks and stones, and there was definitely a selective advantage to be bigger if you were a man. I don’t know much about Japanese history or samurais, but I would be willing to bet that your average samurai was taller and stronger than your average Japanese peasant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/20 04:33 PM |
| 1 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?They haven’t been ‘bred out of existence’ because that’s not how population genetics works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/20 04:29 PM |
| 1 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?Chances are the reason height is trending up is because of nutrition. We’re not as limited as we used to be on average, so we’re realizing our ‘full’ height potential via plasticity, whereas before it just wasn’t metabolically possible, even though the genes ultimately won’t have changed much in that time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/20 04:28 PM |
| 2 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?These days, the many thousands of years of men seeing women who are much smaller than men has led to men preferring this in women. Are you suggesting it’s cultural? Because that doesn’t seem likely, it’s a cross-cultural universal, meaning it would have had to develop independently everywhere. Generally the way preference works is that sexual selection pre-selects for a set of advantageous traits and genes, and over time a positive feedback loop is developed until equilibrium is reached against … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/20 10:55 PM |
| 4 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?That’s more associated with hip width than height, although yes it be an antagonistic selection pressure. It’s a good point though, and it explains why men like women with wide hips, the curvy type in the true meaning of the word, not the ‘curvy’ that’s been adopted by fat people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/20 09:47 PM |
| 4 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?Nothing in evolution is all or nothing, and I didn’t imply that it was. At the population level men have a distinct preference for feminine women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/20 09:44 PM |
| 6 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?They just wouldn’t make the best hunters or fighters, so fewer men would rely on them and fewer women would choose to mate with them. In other words, pretty much the same dynamic as we see now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/20 09:41 PM |
| 8 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?Yes, that would be one factor at play, but it leads to selection in terms of hip width rather than height as that would be a better predictor for that. And that is also why men like curvy women with high hip to waist ratio. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/20 09:40 PM |
| 4 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?Potentially. Nutrition is also a factor and that’s why since the dawn of agriculture human height has been trending up. There’s likely to remain a gap though as there’s still psychological pre-selection at work by now, which doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/20 09:37 PM |
| 18 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?Like I said, it’s a trade-off, you have multiple selection pressures interacting at once. Male heritability in height tends to be more heritable for boys and biased slightly towards the father’s side. While it’s correct that having a tall mom and a tall dad is likely to produce an even taller child, having a tall dad and average height mom, still typically results in a tall child, about the height of the father. The benefits of having a tall mother, for children’s sake, must be outweighed by the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/20 08:38 PM |
| 86 | If short women were treated like short men, would it be seen as a more serious social issue?However, women contribute to half of those genes as well, so why is it that men aren't attracted to tall women as much as women are attracted to tall men? Differential selection pressures during our evolution. Biological adaptations have trade-offs. When you maximize one area of fitness it’s at a detriment to another area of fitness. Tall men tend to be stronger and make better hunters and protectors, but they also consume more to sustain it. Men don’t choose women for their potential to be hunt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/20 04:32 PM |
| 1 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.Men who are attractive and violent tend to have more sex, but that’s usually because of disagreeableness and assertiveness. I don’t believe it’s the case that violence will get dudes laid if they’re not already getting it, except maybe in weird hybristophilia-type circumstances. It’s pre-selection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/20 03:03 PM |
| 3 | Women prefer men that know nothing about women for relationshipsWell it’s both, which is why you should try to stay away from the women bashing and sexism. That’s exclusively anger phase behaviour, and there’s definitely no shortage of that on the TRP sub, even though ultimately it’s unnecessary to the school of thought. So again, focus on the science and how it applies at the population level without implying to them that women are trash at the individual level (lots are, not all) and you should be fine. This is all assuming you’re articulate enough and can… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 05:23 PM |
| 7 | Women prefer men that know nothing about women for relationshipsThat hasn’t been my experience. I’ve discussed red pill concepts with past girlfriends ever since I started on that path, none of them have ever had a problem with it. You just need to actually understand where the concepts are coming from in the evo psych literature and don’t use any terminology they could google that would lead to TRP. Focus exclusively on the science and accordingly and you’ll be fine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 03:34 PM |
| 2 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.If I were actually able to show that those books were having a negative impact on boys development, through many peer reviewed studies, then sure I would say something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 03:19 PM |
| 3 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.You won’t need to give them women to rape, they’ll just take them. And yes, we’ll act against that, but by then it’s too late, some of your sisters will have already been raped. You need a solution before it gets to that, and I’m definitely not saying it’s the enslavement of women, but there has to be a solution nonetheless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 02:57 PM |
| 2 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.Do you actually have any evidence that literature written by the opposite sex is read less and actually influences childhood development? And no, again, you’re seriously wrong about what the consensus right now is with regard to who’s falling behind in school and why. I could send you dozens of papers on that topic. Just look at the ones I posted, their internal citations, any related papers listed on the side bar. The current sociological consensus is that boys are falling behind because the sc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 02:54 PM |
| 1 | Instead of complaining about men being "players", why don't you simply stop giving those guys a chance with you?Yeah that’s about right, but that’s usually because of physical attractiveness, not facial attractiveness. Unless you truly have the face of a potato, if you’re average height or above and you work out you’ll do just fine. Working out alone pretty much places you in the top 20%. A high value man does not need to have every single variable topped out, only enough to be in the upper percentiles of SMV and RMV, and each of those variables is weighted differently. Penis size would be weighted relati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 02:46 PM |
| 3 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.That's just an excuse. The only reason women are not more violent is because they believe more in protecting life and limb. Women feel the same anger and hopelessness. Well no it's mostly testosterone and being physiologically designed for physical conflict. Men are less agreeable on average, so out of all the extremely disagreeable people in the world (0th percentile) they're pretty much all men. But yeah, it is an excuse, not a good one, but it's tough to fight nature and the law of large numb… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 03:56 AM |
| 1 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.That would depend on what happened to women’s wages alongside the male increase. I get what you’re suggesting, which is what fostered gender harmony in the past was probably the extent to which women depended on men and saw them as breadwinners, and so if we create more male breadwinners we can reverse engineer that harmony, right? Except probably not, because women are already pissy because men already create more wealth than they do (mostly as a product of their own choices I should add) so if… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 03:44 AM |
| 4 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.Just wanted to respond to your edit. It is not true that there’s not much literature on this. There’s a pretty large body of it https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=927689 https://mitili.mit.edu/sites/default/files/project-documents/SEII-Discussion-Paper-2016.07-Terrier.pdf https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01425699995290?src=recsys Etc etc | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 02:49 AM |
| 2 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.I don’t think literature is a particularly good example. Just because most great literature was primarily written by men, with male leads, does not make it ‘about men’. I can’t think of a single paper or novel where that would’ve qualified as a convincing argument. Do you really think because Hamlet was a man that’s going to sway students’ success enough to eclipse the epidemic of literally sedating boys in their most crucial developmental years? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 02:39 AM |
| 3 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.It’s not that men can only learn from men, it’s just that they learn better from men when their female peers aren’t being favoured, and when they’re not penalized for being energetic young boys and put on medication for it. If you can’t do well when something isn’t absolutely 100% catered to you, well, I just think you are kind of too fragile for this world. It doesn’t have to be 100% catered towards men. 50% would probably be enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 02:25 AM |
| 3 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.Men are probably achieving less academically because the current system is pretty gynocentric. Most teachers in the formative years are women and favour their female students. Boys are being over-medicated at pretty ridiculous rates. There are a lot of things in the current social climate contributing to it. So while I agree that men are underperforming compared to the past, I don't think it's about laziness, it has become a cultural issue and if we don't solve it we're headed for trouble. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 02:13 AM |
| 4 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.Right, so female breadwinners are still a minority. What do you think happens if that 60% of male breadwinners just stopped working all at once. You think we're coming out the other side of that disaster unscathed? Just so ya know, I wasn't implying we ONLY need male breadwinners, just that providing for a family is a large source of purpose for a lot of men (same as it is for women), and it's that purpose (in both sexes) which keeps society afloat. It will continue to trend upwards as men embra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 02:00 AM |
| 1 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.At an individual level, sure. At a societal level though, enough men choose not to be providers (which just means to be productive as a means to support a family) then the whole thing tanks. So yeah individual freedom is good, but we still need the underlying architecture holding society together to stay intact, and the family unit is pretty much the keystone of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 01:54 AM |
| 2 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.It is one of the causes, yes. Again, that's just an anthropological and psychological fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 01:51 AM |
| 11 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.Now try the same thought experiment for men. Most men in the past worked to be providers because they had to, not because they had the choice. In fact if you apply your first statement to most of the choices people make 'voluntarily' you start to see we have very limited freedom in general, but I digress. Most people are not upper class, and will never have true freedom. We used to have to work together to that end, and we were more or less satisfied with that. More than we seem to be now anyway… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 01:50 AM |
| 2 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.I didn't say it was the only reason men do these things, but it absolutely is one of them. Here are my exact words: monogamous societies tend towards lower male aggression (we’re happier when we’re getting laid, obviously). The more sexless men there are the more violent crime and civil unrest there will be That's just a fact. Deal with it how you will. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 01:44 AM |
| 2 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.I already admitted it wasn't the single largest factor. So what? You’re telling me you think the average guy is gonna start a mass shooting if he believes he can’t get laid? No I didn't say that, I literally said the opposite just one comment back, that it's a very small portion of men doing it. Being rare doesn't make it a non-issue, especially when it seems to be getting less rare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 01:39 AM |
| -1 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.No it's not. It's just about male sexlessness and how we're not 'owed' anything. And I agree with that. Just because we're not owed it doesn't make it a non-issue to those men and society. Men and women didn’t used to get along voluntarily. Yes they absolutely did. Ask any older couple you see. They did the best with what they had. You're right, women had no economic freedom, it sucked, but you're pretty much burying your head in the sand if you're suggesting that's the primary reason women marr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 01:36 AM |
| 2 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.I disagree. Sexlessness is a big source of anxiety and depression in men, one of the more significant ones. It's quite literally critical to our mental health, the literature is pretty clear on that. It's not the only contributor, or even the largest for that matter, but it's definitely a source and not just a symptom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 01:24 AM |
| 15 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.Where did I say we had to sexually enslave women? Men and women used to get along voluntarily, believe it or not. It's a shocker, I know, but gender relations don't need to be like this and the solution to that doesn't need to be force. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 01:21 AM |
| 3 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.We have places for people who commit violent crime. Yes, but if all we do is act after the crime is already done, what good are we really doing? The point is to try brainstorm a solution so that it doesn't get to that point. Also, I'm fucking sick of hearing that the men who don't get sex will commit violent crime. If so, they were never any good to begin with. That's not really true though, is it? People don't just do things for no reason. That doesn't justify it to you or to me, but it's 'just… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 01:19 AM |
| 5 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.It’s not about any uprising, it’s about them venting their frustrations in sometimes violent ways. You’re correct that most of these men aren’t like that, but it only takes a few to create national tragedies, doesn’t it? The total number of these men seems to be rising, so even if it’s just some small percentage then you should also expect the number of violent tragedies to rise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/20 12:34 AM |
| 11 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.I think both sexes portray the other as crazy and problematic, and they’re both right at times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/20 10:29 PM |
| 13 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.I never said forced. It’s really on men to be desirable. That’s the other thing, when these men give up they’re also less productive. It’s bad all around. I don’t have the solution, I’m just saying that it really is a problem, or at least has the potential to become one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/20 10:29 PM |
| 30 | It's not womens responsibility to have sex with any type of man or any percentage of men. There is no sex quota to filled.Yes, it does. Humans aren’t naturally monogamous, it evolved via social evolution as monogamous societies tend towards lower male aggression (we’re happier when we’re getting laid, obviously). The more sexless men there are the more violent crime and civil unrest there will be, it’s huge a destabilizing force. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/20 10:15 PM |
| 1 | Instead of complaining about men being "players", why don't you simply stop giving those guys a chance with you?Most men have serviceable facial features, but sure, throw that in there. I already did include good in bed, which may or may not be due to penis size so go with what you feel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/20 02:06 AM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?I'm really sorry that you've struggled with that, truthfully I am, and I'm really happy to hear you're doing better though. I know exactly how you feel about derogatory statements, even when they're said with no malicious intent. 'Omg you're so skinny' is something I had heard from my female friends at least weekly before I started working out. They didn't mean any harm, but it didn't feel good either. Thankfully I was able to use that feedback constructively, although I know not everyone does. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/20 04:13 PM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?My BMI is 23. That’s pretty far from underweight, it’s actually more toward the upper end of ‘normal’. I’ve only been lifting for a few years and I said elsewhere my starting weight was 130, now THAT was underweight. But sure, I’ve got a long way to go before I get to my ideal body, which I think is probably ~170 but with 10% body fat. I’ll get there eventually. I don’t know why you think a BMI of 22-24 is unreasonable for women. That’s completely normal, not underweight at all. And in my experi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/20 03:33 PM |
| 0 | Instead of complaining about men being "players", why don't you simply stop giving those guys a chance with you?High SMV would mean above average height or taller, well dressed, well groomed, and pretty fit, meaning a healthy amount of musculature with low body fat, like a male gymnast for example. Let’s just also assume he’s good in bed because why not. High RMV would mean that he’s kind, loyal, good with kids, great relationship with his family (and yours), has a good career and doesn’t mind being the primary provider, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/20 02:57 PM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?What goal posts? I told you even in that comment I was just trying to give you a genera idea what a comparatively fit woman might look like, and BMI is a good tool for that, it does transfer well. So for example almost all 5’4” women weighing 140 would be carrying too much body fat for my tastes unless she were just extremely muscular. I don’t actually date with that much scrutiny, it was just an example. To answer your other question I’m 5’11” with ~15% body fat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/20 02:53 PM |
| 2 | Instead of complaining about men being "players", why don't you simply stop giving those guys a chance with you?Most hardcore christians and catholic women seem to do pretty fine at that, but then that’s usually because both parties are on the same page and waiting for marriage. Personally I don’t care what women do, and actually there have been times where I’ve felt blessed by the presence of sluts at some weak moments in my life. With that said, I think the reason women catch so much flak for it around here is because a lot of you complain about being used for sex, without ever looking in the mirror and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/20 02:40 PM |
| 0 | Instead of complaining about men being "players", why don't you simply stop giving those guys a chance with you?Not the original poster, but to me a high value guy is someone with both high SMV and high RMV. A true AlphaBucks. They’re not usually on the dating market for long. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/20 02:33 PM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?No I did not say I was 120 lbs. I said a woman of average height with equivalent BMI would be 120 lbs, because you were asking what a ‘comparatively fit’ woman would be. I weigh 165. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/20 02:06 PM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?It's your insistence that I'm skinny and non-muscular that makes me think you're trolling, and I'm still convinced you are. Your tone until now has been really condescending, I'm assuming because you disagree with my ideology, which is fine, but I'm trying to have an earnest discussion because what the fuck else have I got to do at the moment, right? It's like you made out you lifted weights in a gains type of way. Your muscle definition is only there due to your lack of body fat and actual abil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/20 12:27 AM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?I’m not really neurotic about my weight, or others’ for that matter. I do care about my level of fitness though, same for the people I date. If I ever have a 6 pack it won’t be ‘natural’, it’ll be by cutting. Before I started working out I was skinny-fat, but I’ve since bulked you without adding much body fat, if any. You are definitely wrong about it being unsustainable though. Body fat percentage doesn’t fluctuate very quickly and once you get lean it’s pretty easy to stay lean as long as you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 10:57 PM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?At a BMI of 22 I could be skinny-fat, muscular, or even shredded with extremely low body fat, because for men the standard deviation in lean muscle mass is a lot higher. Anyway, right now I would just say athletic, and I date girls who are also athletic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 10:13 PM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?It’s not realistic for relatively fit men to date relatively fit women? I’m not giving you exact stats I’m just trying to paint you a picture of a comparatively fit woman. Here, since you seem to be having issues: https://app.mybodygallery.com/#/?height=163&weight=54 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 10:02 PM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?Comparable to my level of fitness. I’m muscular but not huge and almost lean enough to have a six pack. If you just take my BMI and translate it to women of average height you’re looking at about 120 lbs and pretty lean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 09:56 PM |
| 2 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?I try to stay away from sweets. But no I get what you’re saying, I just thought your original reply was unhelpful and severely lacking in specifics, and in my opinion your subsequent replies have been post-hoc rationalizations for that since I’ve been pressing you on it. I don’t know what TERF means but I can understand your distaste for the more in-depth red pill information. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 09:32 PM |
| 2 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?Of course women carry more fat, I’m not saying I need a woman with a body fat % of 15 like me, that’s absurd and unhealthy on a woman. Her BMI and overall physique should be comparable though. I’m fit, so I only date fit people. What’s your issue? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 09:28 PM |
| 2 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?No I hear you, just recounting my personal experience. Every time a female friend wanted to hook me up with someone ‘cute’ she was objectively overweight. Not that I was a catch at that time either, I was a total beanpole at 130 lbs and 5’11”, but I for sure was not going to be dating women even close to my weight because even by then I knew I liked my women to feel relatively small compared to me and they preferred that as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 08:11 PM |
| 0 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?Depending on how tall you are and where you carry that weight 125 can look like a lot. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying this applies to you. But for some women 125 can look pretty heavy and by BMI would in fact be considered overweight. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 07:50 PM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?Fair enough | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 07:43 PM |
| 6 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?When you say very cute (not hot), you mean to say she was chubby right? Don’t get me wrong, you have a point about playing within your league, but I’ve had more than one female friend try to set me up with girls who were ‘cute’ but also weighed more than me despite being about 6 inches shorter. It’s way too common. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 04:15 PM |
| 5 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?Best advice in the whole thread. Short and to the point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 04:10 PM |
| 1 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?That’s just a straight cop-out, you wouldn’t have even come this far if I hadn’t pushed you. In your original comment you put the entire onus on the dude, not just to act but to literally figure out what he should be doing even when he’s in front of you asking for help. Surely you can imagine a dude who’s lacking in all of the above and make a list right? It’s not that difficult. And so on and so forth. If you're asking for me some sort of manifesto on How To Tell a Dude to Git Gud, it doesn't e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 04:05 PM |
| 9 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?So again your advice was “figure it out for yourself”. That’s not advice. I’m asking you, what specifically should unsuccessful young men be doing. Picture an average or below average young dude and give him some advice that he can actually use. You mentioned style, hygiene, etc, and that’s a solid start, but it wasn’t in your original comment. Expand on that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 02:51 PM |
| 16 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?So do you have a legitimate answer to the question and the example given or are you just going to repeat banal platitudes? Your answer to the question which is essentially “How would you advise a young man in finding a relationship” is basically “Lol don’t worry about it just be a good person it’ll happen”. That’s not advice, it’s actually non-advice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 02:36 PM |
| 20 | How would you deal with a son or close male family member who struggled with the opposite sex?And this, gentlemen, is why you ask a fisherman how to catch a fish, not the fish themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/06/20 02:28 PM |
| 2 | TRP is high beta fuckboy game. They only get pussy without commitment because they lie about their intentionsYou should try spending time on the actual sub. There’s not many advocating for lying. Asktrp is obviously going to bias towards men having a hard time with the concepts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/20 01:35 AM |
| 6 | TRP is high beta fuckboy game. They only get pussy without commitment because they lie about their intentionsTRP doesn’t advocate for lying nearly as much as it advocates for things like lifting and building power though. If anything lying actually violates the concept of frame, so you shouldn’t do it, but yeah most RP guys seem apathetic about it. And again, you’re welcome to argue the extent to which this happens, but I think you’re overestimating. If you really want to get technical most ‘RP’ guys just never get laid in the first place because they don’t put in the work and are rather just larping. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/20 11:12 PM |
| 28 | TRP is high beta fuckboy game. They only get pussy without commitment because they lie about their intentionsYou’re probably right, but what does it really matter? You’re just taking the long way around to calling Red Pilled guys beta faggots because it’s hard for you to admit to yourself that it produce results at this point. But anyway, if I wanted to make an argument in the opposite direction, I’d say you probably overestimate the extent to which ‘fuckboys’ actually need to lie to get laid and underestimate women’s own responsibility in being ‘used’ this way. So for example, I’ve been called a fuckb… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/20 10:54 PM |
| 2 | The recent chain of posts reinforces how apathetic women are to men's emotions.Therapy is supposed to be a good start but it should be temporary. I would agree about antidepressants, they do more harm than good and I have a poor history with them myself. I still disagree about sharing that level of pain with someone who also relies on you, but you do you. I don’t know shit about you but I know enough about people (not just women) and I know enough of depression to state my opinion which is that you should tread lightly on that subject around others, even those who care abo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/20 06:59 PM |
| 6 | The recent chain of posts reinforces how apathetic women are to men's emotions.You should be seeing a therapist then, not burdening your girlfriend beyond just getting a quick reassurance that you’re wanted alive. That’s too much for anyone to handle and it goes way beyond just male/female dichotomy. Of course she was supportive, she doesn’t want you to kill yourself, but if you keep doing it and using her as a crutch it will wear on her. See a therapist and handle your shit. I never said it was a competition either, it is about cooperation, but for men ‘cooperating’ mostl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/20 04:41 PM |
| 4 | The recent chain of posts reinforces how apathetic women are to men's emotions.Positive emotions. Save your negative emotions for somewhere else or make quick work of them. Even a single depressive episode or angry outburst is not going to come across well. This isn’t to say you need to store all your frustrations and build resentment, just that when you voice your concerns you don’t do it emotionally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/20 03:23 PM |
| 2 | A woman is 6X more likely than a man to be divorced/separated from their spouse when diagnosed with a serious illness. How can this fit into the theory of hypergamy?Most of those men have insurance, and their wives are well taken care of. In the event that they die even more so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/20 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Sexless men are in that situation because they provide little to no value and expect high value in returnMGTOW and incels absolutely do need to take responsibility for their own lot after the fact, but feminism is what drives people that way to begin with. Responsibility can counteract the feminist ‘boogeyman’ (funny you use this term to imply this isn’t what’s causing it when pretty much all men will tell you this is the primary cause). The point is if you have some force that’s deleterious to the population, you should try to minimize that force to begin with and mitigate the need for people to g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/20 10:43 PM |
| 2 | Q4RPWomen - how, and, to what extent do you view and interpret RP?It’s based on multiple lines of evidence. First OkCupid then verified by tinder stats. And no, not 80% of men are celibate, it’s more like 30%, but that’s not the point either. The point is that mathematically it is impossible for 80% of men to be below average looking, and yet that is how women perceive them. I have no sympathy for men who don’t put in work either if they’re also complaining about not being found attractive, but a ton of average dudes and above average dudes (approximately 30% … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 10:34 PM |
| 3 | Q4RPWomen - how, and, to what extent do you view and interpret RP?Women perceive about 80% of men to be below average. Which mathematically is impossible of course, but it’s all about perception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 08:05 PM |
| 2 | In the UK 39% of children in a household with children do not live with their married parents. The ratio of married parents to single parents is 64:36 (slight difference because of cohabiting).The implication is quite obvious. If you say that something is happening 39% of the time, and it's a bad thing, then it's quite clear that the bad thing is happening 61% of the time, which is the majority of the time. What do you mean? Saying that a bad thing is happening 39% of the time means that the other 61%, the majority, is favourable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 07:30 PM |
| 5 | In the UK 39% of children in a household with children do not live with their married parents. The ratio of married parents to single parents is 64:36 (slight difference because of cohabiting).The title does not indicate it’s a majority. The title says 39% and the word majority is nowhere to be found. And yes, it’s not cut and dry, but it’s a major factor. I think the finding is that about 25% of children to raised in single parent households will develop serious negative outcomes compared to about 10% for married couples. For boys the likelihood that they’ll eventually be incarcerated is about double even after controlling for socioeconomic status. For girls with absentee fathers abo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 04:35 PM |
| 5 | In the UK 39% of children in a household with children do not live with their married parents. The ratio of married parents to single parents is 64:36 (slight difference because of cohabiting).I don’t think OP was arguing that it’s a majority, but rather that 30% is a terrifying figure. Most children that grow up in a single parent household are more prone to crime anti-social behaviour and mental illness. 30% is a lot of kids that are potentially being fucked up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 03:57 PM |
| 1 | Sexless men are in that situation because they provide little to no value and expect high value in returnI don’t think men being as shitty as they are now was status quo at all. Maybe it’s just the internet, where we can see these things in the open, but I don’t believe for a second that men are not getting worse with the rise of incel and MGTOW culture, and I blame feminism for that. Not the feminism that freed women from their biology or got them equal rights, the feminism that suppresses masculinity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 03:02 PM |
| 1 | Sexless men are in that situation because they provide little to no value and expect high value in returnYou’re welcome to disagree but pretty much every piece of psychological data we have would show that’s wrong. Feminism attempts to make ‘better men’ via the feminization of men through negative reinforcement. We know that negative reinforcement is the worse kind of conditioning and we know that women, and society, do not particularly care for feminized men. You have to realize that the reason we have incels is because feminism worked on those men, and they get angry when they see they’ve been tr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Sexless men are in that situation because they provide little to no value and expect high value in returnI never said that women don’t work, just that it’s designed to be a transfer of resources from men to women, which is still correct. Women require more resources than men, which is fine, but it’s why data shows women are a net drain on taxes while men provide the surplus. I’m not complaining about it. It’s generally a man’s lot to provide those resources the same way it’s a woman’s lot to have children and do most of the caretaking. The fact that women and children would starve without men kind … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 02:53 PM |
| 1 | Sexless men are in that situation because they provide little to no value and expect high value in returnIt’s both. I do agree that before women’s emancipation that a lot of women were essentially forced into marriage with shitty men. No argument. However it’s also not the case that women, given the choice, will opt to never marry if they actually find good men. My argument is that good men are getting more and more rare because feminism is antagonistic to that end. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Sexless men are in that situation because they provide little to no value and expect high value in returnEven given the freedom to women opt not to fight, and it seems like everyone prefers it that way so this is pretty much a moot point all round. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 04:46 AM |
| 3 | Sexless men are in that situation because they provide little to no value and expect high value in returnYou think being a good man is about handing out orgasms and doing chores? Sheesh, fucking low bar you got there. And yes, marriage is often a bad deal for women when they get stuck with shitty men, but it’s generally a worse deal for men no matter the woman, even a high quality one. It’s the planned transfer of resources from men to women for life in exchange for consistent sex and companionship. Regardless, I think you missed the point of my comment. I wasn’t talking about orgasms or chores or … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/20 04:44 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The amount of sex a man has doesn't not determine his value.This is the comment I was looking for. Being high value is what leads to sex, not vice-versa. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/20 09:08 PM |
| 2 | Sexless men are in that situation because they provide little to no value and expect high value in returnTrue unfortunately in my experience. Aside from my mom every single hobbyist cook I know is male. Women really drank that ‘cooking is oppressive’ koolaid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/20 09:03 PM |
| 10 | Sexless men are in that situation because they provide little to no value and expect high value in returnYou’re on the right track. The way I see it is the primary factor driving men to suck more and more is feminism and the plague of single motherhood. Aside for a rare few, men overall aren’t going to bother being good men when they’re being told they’re the cause of all society’s woes, why would they? I almost got stuck in that trap myself. The flip side is that they then shouldn’t complain when they can’t find women, which is fair enough. We’re in a negative feedback loop that we need to somehow… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/20 08:59 PM |
| 1 | Why hasnt the fear of STDs and its untreatable mutations led to women treating high n count men and those who participate in casual sex as harshly as men treat high n count women?I would guess that it’s because most disgust associated with high n-count people is not to do with STDs. It’s for sure a risk, but personally I don’t care about that but rather what it says about someone’s patterns of behaviour in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/20 08:44 PM |
| 56 | Protect yourself at all times. A woman’s morning after regret.“I really just felt lonely and wanted some companionship and never directly said in the text that I was coming over to have sex with him” Oh fuck off already. You know what going to a guys apartment drunk implies. It’s called accountability, learn it. Dude handled the situation all wrong, but admittedly it’s an easy trap to fall into when you’re naive to this kind of bullshit. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/05/20 05:09 PM |
| 9 | Do you think women live life on easy mode/tutorial mode, like many red pillers claim?That doesn’t change that men are still more at risk though. This is a pointless aside. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Do you think women live life on easy mode/tutorial mode, like many red pillers claim?If I could take all of my life’s experience until now and just wake up in a woman’s body someday with all of the privileges that holds, yes absolutely that would be easy mode. Growing up as a woman though, probably not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 03:48 PM |
| 1 | People need to realize both genders have issues and neither has it better.Maybe, maybe not. I’ve talked plenty of self-described bra-burning feminists out of their insane beliefs. Even dated one for a little while. The key is just maintaining frame and arguing with substance and nuance. You can make a difference at the individual level. If enough people make a difference at the individual level, that represents a difference at the community level. Etc and etc all the way up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/20 06:10 PM |
| 1 | People need to realize both genders have issues and neither has it better.In your scenario you need to control for literally every other single variable that may be influencing that persons life though. Maybe they’re trying a new diet which is impacting their mental health. Maybe their parent dies in the middle of the study. There are quite literally an infinite amount of confounding variables that would need to be assessed for such a longitudinal study to be accurate in any way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/20 06:07 PM |
| 1 | People need to realize both genders have issues and neither has it better.There’s plenty of time. Attention and budget are limiting factors but across a long enough period of time that also solves itself. On objectivity, some things may be objective but other things are not. So for example, there’s no objective way to measure the male issue of how much more difficult on average it is to get sex from women (a biological imperative for men), and then compare that to the female issue of wading through the unending cascade of male attention to find the few ones worth bein… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/20 05:50 PM |
| 2 | People need to realize both genders have issues and neither has it better.You end up comparing apples to oranges though, and there’s no way to remove bias from that. The apples are always going to weigh their own issues as being worse than the oranges, and vice versa. If you try to design some function to account for that even it will have implicit bias towards some objective measure, like mortality. Mortality is almost always worse for men for example. The best thing to do is to just never look at things as being black and white and don’t act like it’s a competition.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/20 05:19 PM |
| 5 | People need to realize both genders have issues and neither has it better.It’s mathematically impossible because we can’t quantify it, or at least there’d be no unbiased way of trying to. Unlike your example about height the problems men and women face are fundamentally different. There’s no unbiased way to weight the variables that contribute to making men or women’s lives worse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/20 05:14 PM |
| 8 | Have you ever tried OLD as the other sex? What was your experience? Woman goes undercover as a man on tinder and is floored by how challenging the experience is. (Video)I used the Snapchat filter that turns you into a woman and made a tinder profile The results were pretty much what you’d imagine. Somewhat anger-inducing, somewhat depressing depending on your point of view. It made me angry how easy it was to get matches and messages. Seemed like life on easy mode, it would’ve been pretty easy to arrange a date with whatever dude I wanted. On the other hand, most men are pathetic. 90% of messages are ‘hey’ and the ones that aren’t are overly aggressive. It’s pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/20 04:39 PM |
| 2 | Is there a problem with the marriage and birth rate dropping so low?The link to covid is a bad argument. While things haven’t gotten bad yet they still may if the economy doesn’t see a powerful resurgence soon. If this were happening 10-20 years from now when automation is almost complete then yes I’d agree. For now though we don’t really know how bad things will get, only time will tell that. It’s like this, if you shoot someone in the head, even though they’re dead it takes a bit of time for the rest of their organs to die. For all we know our society may alre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/20 03:49 PM |
| 1 | What's up with this idea that men and women must always be at odds?Right, which is psychopathic in and of itself. The explanation for why it makes them happy is that it confirms they have power over you. You shouldn't give them that power. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/20 01:03 AM |
| 1 | What's up with this idea that men and women must always be at odds?I said negative | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 10:02 PM |
| 2 | Does attraction mean anything to men?I'm happy for your sister but she doesn't represent population level trends. Women (on average) are less likely to marry men who earn less than them and when they do there's a 2.5x higher chance of divorce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 04:42 PM |
| 1 | Q4A: Hot sex with an average person or average sex with a hot person?I've had both and the hot person wins hands down. It's hard to even describe sex as hot if you're not attracted to someone. If anything their enthusiasm is more of a turnoff when they're ugly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 04:40 PM |
| 3 | Are you turned off by guys looking for relationships?I've pumped and dumped and seen women pumped and dumped way too much to believe that's the case. The number of women who haven't had casual sex these days has to be a minority, a fucking small one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 04:34 PM |
| 2 | What's up with this idea that men and women must always be at odds?Most men arent able to get sex when they want it. That doesn't mean they dont care, it's just that they're already in a perpetual state of suffering, so waiting doesnt make anything worse. Men with options arent going to wait, they'll just go elsewhere without thinking twice about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 04:09 PM |
| 1 | What's up with this idea that men and women must always be at odds?That's not what it means, too narrow. It has nothing to do with marriage except when we project our own culture on it. I'm pretty sure it originated to describe animal mating behaviours, so clearly it can be detached from marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 04:06 PM |
| 8 | What's up with this idea that men and women must always be at odds?This is why men shouldn't show negative emotions to women, at all. It's just one big shit test. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:55 PM |
| 11 | Most of TRP's dating values are simply attempts to protect their egosSome high quality shitposting right there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:48 PM |
| 3 | Most of TRP's dating values are simply attempts to protect their egosFuck well there goes my field report on finding a 1967 1st edition Langston Hughes memorial stamp. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:47 PM |
| 5 | Most of TRP's dating values are simply attempts to protect their egosLiterally pinkpill and FDS. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:42 PM |
| 5 | Most of TRP's dating values are simply attempts to protect their egosThis is such a common misconception. People mistake venting online for actual real life behaviour. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:41 PM |
| 2 | Women are not more attractive than men on averageI tried to respond to this yesterday but my phone was glitching out. Here's one: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Does attraction mean anything to men?An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, or some such bullshit. I err on the side of forgiveness, complex social systems often have unforeseen problems. They're also less likely to double down if you try to approach these issues with some empathy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:32 PM |
| 2 | Does attraction mean anything to men?I'm not complaining about it, just observing a trend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/20 05:57 PM |
| 4 | Does attraction mean anything to men?IVF might have some effect but women still want men generally. The real big change is that women are overtaking men economically. Female lawyers and doctors generally don't want to marry down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/20 01:32 PM |
| 1 | Q4W how aware/unaware are groups of single women of each other's levels promiscuity?It says something about biology. Women have always been currency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/20 01:26 PM |
| 18 | Q4W how aware/unaware are groups of single women of each other's levels promiscuity?Yeah this shit always bugged me too. Man: Did you smash? Other man: Ye Man: Nice Women: His cock was 5.93 inches long with a 7 degree curvature to the right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/20 01:25 PM |
| 4 | Q4W how aware/unaware are groups of single women of each other's levels promiscuity?Generally yeah. I'm really not into women who gossip about things that should stay private. It shows such a lack of character it still blows my mind how accepted it seems to be among women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/20 01:20 PM |
| 1 | Why do men with options even get into relationships?Sure it's different, I didn't say it wasn't. I said in the end the sex is not the thrill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/20 06:30 AM |
| 2 | What can men do to ensure they have a great LTR/Marriage with a woman? All views welcome.If they want to be successful it's mostly the same formula but in a generally more submissive frame. For me the one additional caveat is to not have a high n-count. Other than that, be attractive to your partner (this is the biggest source of differences if you ask me, because men and women differ in what they find attractive), set reasonable boundaries, communicate effectively, etc etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 06:03 PM |
| 1 | Why do men with options even get into relationships?I agree, which is why I've pretty much checked out of it. LTRs only for me now, and with that goal in mind it's a lot less of a chase and more of a slow meander through the forest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 05:18 PM |
| 2 | Which parts of the Manosphere subscribe to the "Not all Women are like that" philosophy?It's Something Like That, Roughly Speaking | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 05:12 PM |
| 0 | Why do men with options even get into relationships?A hole is a hole really. The only thing that kept me going was the chase, ultimately the sex wasn't even the fun part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 05:08 PM |
| 2 | What can men do to ensure they have a great LTR/Marriage with a woman? All views welcome.I think most MRP guys found the sub a little too late. They're trying to claw back from the brink of divorce, so yeah they're dealing with shit wives by then. Any woman can become a shit woman if the man she's with lets himself slip. The idea then is to maintain your environment so that it doesn't become an issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 05:03 PM |
| 5 | Q4All - What common views expressed by your gender on PPD do you disagree with?It's only the past ~100 years modern society could be described as 'safe'. It's going to take quite a while to undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, and I'm not fully convinced we ever will unless being shorter somehow becomes more selective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 04:59 PM |
| 1 | What can men do to ensure they have a great LTR/Marriage with a woman? All views welcome.Then you're just excluding all women or chance of any relationship ever. Dread is an easy concept, if your partner doesn't fear losing you even the slightest bit, then they're already gone. Enforcement of boundaries is basically just advice not to be a simp. There are no unicorns that these concepts don't apply to, but that doesn't mean there aren't a ton of good women anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 04:50 PM |
| 1 | What can men do to ensure they have a great LTR/Marriage with a woman? All views welcome.There's room in RP for LTRs and even marriage, it's just not advocated for. Still, it's pretty well known that if you want to be successful in an LTR that you need to be an 'AlphaBux', be sufficiently hot and also willing to provide comfort and resources. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 04:45 PM |
| 1 | The rise in sexlessness has more to do with Social Isolation than Tinder or Feminism.Yeah go to it, it's an interesting read and I'm pretty sure since then the same researcher has based most of his work on this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 04:31 PM |
| 3 | The rise in sexlessness has more to do with Social Isolation than Tinder or Feminism.Intelligence is actually pretty high up there on the list, but it has a point where more intelligence doesn't help. Somewhere between 120-130 seems to be ideal. I'm guessing its because things like ass and tits are very easy to quantify visually. While intelligence is damn near impossible to quantify. That's a pretty common myth, but intelligent people tend to be healthier (fitter) and there's some evidence there are male facial cues as well that correlate surprisingly well with intelligence. Qu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/20 04:21 PM |
| 1 | Women are not more attractive than men on averageHard disagree. Perceived strength, height, and leanness (in that order in fact) is universally attractive to women, to the point where in certain studies of hundreds of women not a single one rated 'weaker' looking men as more attractive. Similar things have been found with regard to facial symmetry and masculine features, and on the other end for men the 'hourglass' figure and feminine features is universally attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/20 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Female... dating... strategy? Are any of you actually worried about the new sub?Worried? No, it's kind of funny. Never have I seen so much cognitive dissonance all in one place before. Dont get me wrong, some of the advice is sound, but the rationalizations for most of it is pants on retarded. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 07:57 PM |
| 3 | Do you guys remain attracted to childhood or teen crushes as you both age?Yeah, most of the women I went to high school with who were hot at the time are now literally obese. I on the other hand was a late bloomer, I didn't find my fashion sense or start lifting weights until I left home, and I had a bit of a baby face which I've now grown out of. It makes for some interesting high school reunions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Women are not more attractive than men on averageMost 'cultural' differences in beauty standards boil down to markers of racial preferences, which seem to be more inherent than learned anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 06:27 PM |
| 5 | Women are not more attractive than men on averageThere are certain traits in men and women that are essentially universally seen as attractive. It's about as close to objective as you can get when talking about continuous multivariate traits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 06:11 PM |
| 2 | Men, do you feel like you’re made out to be dangerous/a threat?Men should be dangerous, so yes. The difference between strong men and weak men isn't level of threat, it's knowing when to exercise constraint. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 06:00 PM |
| 0 | How does a guy not know anything about girls?Are you under the impression that the manosphere consists of non-average guys, or that you don't get a sample representative of the average? Because that would be false. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 03:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.That's the plan | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 03:30 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.That's literally the rate in france and it's why paternity tests have been banned if not court ordered. Just because something happened thousands of years ago doesn't mean that it's happening today. Uhh, yeah that's what I said. That rates of non-monogamy were way higher in our evolutionary past and that's probably why men generally have a distaste for promiscuous women even today... The only thing I would add to that is that it was happening for most of human evolutionary history. Genetic data … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 06:36 AM |
| 5 | Any guys here that are aware that they are good looking?I think a lot of my career success has to do with being tall, fit, and relatively handsome. I'm pretty smart mind you, but I'm in sales and was definitely not the most charismatic at the outset. I guess you really don't need to be all that charismatic if people enjoy your company anyway. I wouldn't say I'm a Chad, but mostly because I don't have women breaking my door down or fawning over me on social media/OLD, etc. With that said, on any given night if I want to go get some numbers or even may… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 06:32 AM |
| -2 | How does a guy not know anything about girls?You're assuming its all men's fault. Obviously the average man spends a lot of time around women while growing up, so unless every man is just a big dumb moron, which doesnt seem to be the case, then you need to be also asking what it is women (and maybe society) are doing that's misleading to men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 06:22 AM |
| 10 | The Myth of the CarousalIt's pretty easy to summarize. Male gametes are small and individually worthless and sex is not risky for men, so spread the seed. Only the most high value men can be successful at that, so promiscuity is to an extent a sign of high value. Female gametes are limited and women bare the brunt of the risk of pregnancy, so get to work finding a dude who'll provide for you. That means promiscuous women are not high value, they're a liability. It's quite literally bio 101. Or as some comedian once sai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 06:05 AM |
| 0 | What goes on in women who are 30+ that decide to settle down?What's rich? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 05:42 AM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.If rates were as high as 6%, like they are for paternity fraud in some countries, then yeah, that wouldn't be crazy at all. Yeah dude, women used to fuck the mailman and have his baby because... uh... they were just horny all the time and wanted to fuck anyone. Shared polygyny was the norm before monogamy. Ancestral data and morphology is pretty clear on that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/20 05:39 AM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.Paternity fraud is not an internet meme. In canada the rate is about 4%. 1 in 25 dads I've met are raising another man's kid unknowingly. It doesn't matter that it's a small minority, it's obviously cause enough for concern to create an entire behavioural aversion to it, probably also because rates were a lot higher before monogamy picked up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 08:07 PM |
| 1 | Conversation Tips And How To Be More Confident With WomenMods pls | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 08:02 PM |
| 1 | What is the price tag for a wife ?Hoff | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 07:51 PM |
| 2 | What goes on in women who are 30+ that decide to settle down?You're a better man than I am. When I was still in the game I'd have fucked her and then told the dude what I had done to save him some grief down the line. I actually did that once to some poor guy, fucked his girlfriend at my friend's frat not knowing she had a boyfriend, then ran into them together at the next party. I told the dude an he went into full denial. They're still together as far as I know and they still hang out at the frat. It's fucking surreal how cucked the guy it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 07:47 PM |
| 3 | Why shouldn’t women choose attractive men if they can get them?https://news.ubc.ca/2012/01/23/monogamy-reduces-major-social-problems-of-polygamist-cultures/ Link to the actual review: http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/367/1589/657.full.pdf | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 07:37 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.But this assumes that men spent resources on offspring in the first place. As I said, that's probably not how it worked during evolution Yeah you're right, what do evolutionary theorists know. Even assuming you're right that resources were more collective than individual (and I'm not full convinced on that), that's still resources spent and you're incentivized to spend them on on the women and children who are your own, or at least likely to be. Why wouldn't you want a longterm partner who you a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 07:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.I have never seen such an aversion or even heard men mention the word slut. How old are you? Seriously? You dont see it on this very sub? Or anywhere that's predominantly male? You gotta be joking. You seriously need proof of this? "Evolutionary psychologists have theorized that taboos against female promiscuity evolved on the basis of paternity anxiety.[35] DNA tests being yet to be invented, it was impossible to accurately determine paternity, unlike maternity. A male risked spending paternal … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 05:57 PM |
| 1 | Why shouldn’t women choose attractive men if they can get them?Men are less aggressive in monogamous societies. The anthropological/sociological explanation for the institution of monogamy is that it's a tool to keep a majority of men satisfied and stabilize society. In societies that are too polygynous only very very few men get laid and the rest eventually revolt or just let the whole thing burn to the ground of it's own accord. This is what MGTOW and incel culture is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 05:29 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.There's obviously an aversion, just look around you. If you really need me to provide a citation on who much men hate the idea of marrying or having a kid with a slut I will, but is it really necessary? Betas will take what you can get, but that's not the same thing. Also paying for a hooker isn't exactly provisioning, this has been about longterm resources and support, paying a hooker what you make in an hour is nothing. I also can't think of any men, any, that would spend more money on porn th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 05:25 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.The evolutionary one. I'm saying men very much do care about paternity, it's the best explanation for the overwhelming aversion to provisioning for high n count women, and the literature supports that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 04:40 PM |
| 6 | What goes on in women who are 30+ that decide to settle down?Hi, former fuck boy here. Let me help you realize something. Why are women judged for and expected to answer to this while men who do the same (and are often times encouraged to do it) are not? Women are judged because it takes no effort. You don't have to be attractive, you don't have to be charming, you don't have to have any money or anything of value whatsoever, you just spread your legs. I on the other hand, spend 10 hours a week in the gym, I'm relatively tall (good genes), I've learned to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 04:18 PM |
| 5 | Why shouldn’t women choose attractive men if they can get them?There's an altruistic component as well that comes from drive to protect family (they share your genes) and friends, your "tribe". Its not all selfish, although sure it mostly is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 04:06 PM |
| 1 | Why shouldn’t women choose attractive men if they can get them?And it pisses everyone else off. You ever met an incel who could say he was happy? Or vice versa an alpha widow who complains there are no good men left? Unrestrained hypergamy has a destabilizing effect, we know this already if we look at fallen societies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 04:01 PM |
| 6 | Why shouldn’t women choose attractive men if they can get them?It doesn't stop there. What if other people's bad choices affect all of society negatively? And what if we're all responsible for fixing the problems that show up? That's what the social contract used to be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?I have to agree, but I hope you're wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 03:44 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.Awalt isn't literal, its a heuristic, it's just a tool. I judge people on an individual basis, so when I meet any given woman I have no idea what she's going to be like. I can make some assumptions and probability would say I'll be right about some or most of them. Where awalt is really helpful is when things go bad, it's to say "well, I really should've seen this coming" and then taking personal responsibility for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 03:41 PM |
| 1 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?Because men are less psychplogically inclined towards being caregivers and would typically rather be a breadwinner. Women are more inclined to be caregivers and seek out breadwinners. The science is clear on that, so on average, if you want satisfied people, these are the roles people are generally going to sort themselves into. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 03:35 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.Yes, but you'd rather more of those collective children be yours, and with sluts that's very unlikely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/20 03:33 PM |
| 5 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.See that's a foreign concept to me, I don't know what you mean by romantic stuff, I save that for dinner or the period when I'm trying to work up to sex, not after. The only difference would be cuddling, but I've never minded cuddling a FWB either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 07:42 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.The female cycle is still very estrus-like, we just engage in sex outside of it as well, but the two are not mutually exclusive. The reason for that is partly to aid in securing resources during the non-fertile period because people are K-type reproducers (each offspring is of high importance). The primary assumption is then still that all sex could lead to pregnancy, and in our evolutionary environment the men wouldve assumed as much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 07:39 PM |
| 3 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.Hmm, I don't think I've ever had that issue, or at least I've never been conscious of it. I've had LTRs and I've had FWBs and the pillow talk has generally been the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 07:26 PM |
| 3 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.Historically speaking, as in the hundreds of thousands of years we've been this species and the millions of years of it took to even get the machinery in place, for the vast majority of it yes it was. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 07:21 PM |
| 2 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.You mean FWB? Can you elaborate on what activities you're talking about? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 07:14 PM |
| 2 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.If they get pregnant they do, and despite modern contraceptives our psychology still operates on the old environment where all sex was essentially for reproduction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 07:12 PM |
| 3 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.They can, but not a better friend than most men would in my personal experience, and I only have time for so many friends so it's better to optimize. women are useful not only for babies. For society, sure. For my personal life, outside of providing comfort and nurturing, which is a facet of being motherly anyway, I generally disagree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 07:07 PM |
| 3 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.Investing in a slut is just generally a net negative. If she has children you never really even know if theyre yours (from an evolutionary perspective, obviously DNA is a thing). Good men on the other hand make great friends and building each other up is synergistic, you both eventually get more out than you put it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 06:58 PM |
| 2 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.Fear is maybe the wrong word. Averse is probably better. Lots of flies carry disease and are just generally assholes. Depending on how avocados taste to you it could be because you associate it with toxic compounds (toxic foods tend to be bitter). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 06:53 PM |
| 1 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.To be disgusted by someone is to be repulsed by the idea of physical contact That's an odd and extremely narrow way to define disgust. In this case, let's say what would disgust me is the idea of having to ration my time and resources to a slut because I was unfortunate enough to get her pregnant. In the evolutionary past, without big daddy government interfering, that wasn't an issue. You could just fuck sluts and let them deal with it, hence why we enjoy easy sex with sluts but not commitment.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 06:45 PM |
| 1 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?I explained that in my previous comment. The guy you responded to didn't mention tradcons at all when it came to taking the rights back. They make a great scapegoat though. And I'm not attacking you, chill out a bit. Where are these tradcons? OP isn't a tradcon, but still curious about it. I'd consider myself one, but I wouldn't take your rights away. I'd also say that women's liberation is likely to be a net negative down the line unless we adapt to it properly, which means accepting the respon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 06:33 PM |
| 11 | CMV: How people find sluts as being disgusting parallels how people find creeps as being disgusting. And neither party should be shamed for their disgust.Men love to fuck sluts, makes fulfilling the whole male biological imperative thing real easy. The thought of investing in one is where the disgust comes in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 06:15 PM |
| -1 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?Women's lives are harder now than they were 70 years ago, don't fool yourself. Most women end up wanting a relationship, a husband, children, etc, same as they did 70 years ago. The caveat is now they want all of that and are pretty much forced to build a career as well. Women are free to do as they please, it's great, but as long as they want relationships, which will be always, then they'll need to compromise on their careers to do it. All I'm adding on top of that is the notion that they're u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 06:01 PM |
| 2 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?No, that's not what tradcons are offering, that's what I'm saying. That's what the elites would impose and then have you believe it's the tradcons fault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 05:53 PM |
| 1 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?I honestly thought you were mostly joking anyway. Red pill agression is different than incel agression. Red pill agression is more indirect, non-violent, and less chaotic. It's the same kind of agression that leads to men giving ultra-firm handshakes. Agression needs to manifest somehow though, and it's weak men that manifest it through violence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 03:28 PM |
| 1 | Men who truly believed women liked nice guys no matter how they looked or what they did: do you think this is normal?You should at least make an effort to argue in good faith. To answer your question, I don't think many truly believed looks never mattered, we just underestimated how much it did matter compared to being kind for example. I was always taught men were the shallower sex, so learning that women had much higher physical standards was also a bit of a shock, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 03:16 PM |
| 3 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?Tedbundymaxxing would still require approaching women, pure intentions or otherwise ;) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 03:09 PM |
| 1 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?Women didn't make feminism happen, the powers that be did, the user above explained the motivations already. But that's irrelevant anyway, because again, I'm not suggesting women were happier with no rights, just that they're happier in traditional marriages. Single women are the most happy people followed by married men. That may be, but it's also a juror's fallacy. Let's ignore for the moment that most single women don't want to be single, because happiness is not all people want. The question… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 02:46 PM |
| 3 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?It's good to a point. Hypergamy (combined with polygyny, you don't get one without the other) will select out the best male genes over a long period of time, but it also destabilizes society because it makes the lower tier men more aggressive. We know this anthropologically, that monogamous societies are more stable. What we're seeing now with MGTOW and incel culture is the beginning of this destabilization, and given how fast it's happening we should be very concerned about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 02:25 PM |
| 1 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?The no rights thing is a pretty huge strawman. The idea is just that women are happier in traditional marriages, not that we have to take their rights away. Jesus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 02:19 PM |
| 1 | Is women's liberation failing its original purpose?What defense do we have against a well planned psyop? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 02:17 PM |
| 2 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?Who gives a fuck Literally most people give a fuck, men and women included. Most open slut shaming in the past was actually done by women. Men just slut shame via partner choice. If you wanna be a slut go for it, but it's not for me and in my anecdotal experience not for most guys worth their salt either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 02:12 PM |
| 1 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?Maybe, maybe not. Sociosexuality is about readiness for new partners, lower risk aversion essentially. Libido is just sex drive in general. I've never seen any data correlating the two. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/20 02:08 PM |
| 2 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?Ever since the sexual revolution, absolutely. Women made their bed, now don't want to lie in it. And fair enough, but what's the other solution? Men arent going to go back to waiting for marriage unless women 'woman up' and make themselves obvious marriage material without the use of their vaginas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 09:16 PM |
| 5 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?Promiscuity is only one part of that. Men who want to settle down, if which there are plenty, see promiscuous women and want no part of it. Women who want to settle down think acting promiscuous is what's going to get them there. The game was rigged from the top down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 09:13 PM |
| 1 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?If this is your take then I have to assume it's not the men who are the problem. And yes, I'd say the same to any red pilled guy who uses the term unicorn literally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 09:10 PM |
| 2 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?Libido isn't correlated with sociosexuality as far as I know, which is what n-count comes down to. In other words, high libido isn't a good excuse to thot it up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 08:58 PM |
| 4 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?The rest of my comment was the elaboration. If a woman doesn't sleep with a guy because of an arbitrary rule then the whole thing is just a deception. Look at FDS for proof of concept, they're not withholding because they want to, they're withholding because they're pretending to be high value (low n-count). On the other hand if a woman withholds because she's decided independently that fucking guys within weeks of knowing them is generally degenerate behaviour then I have a lot more respect for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?Better to try, but it's also pretty easy to spot a highly sociosexual woman who's just faking it. There is another option, which is to just genuinely not be a slut. Shocking I know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 04:15 PM |
| 19 | Q4women: What is some common dating advice for women that’s actually bad?I think this is the better answer. I've actually had it go both ways, where things were escalating and women have told me 'I don't have sex until the nth date' and 'I'm not ready yet', and the non-arbitrary rule is always better because it's genuine. When you get the impression that a woman is imposing an arbitrary rule, it's hard to believe that she actually always follows it because it's arbitrary and not principled, so it makes the whole encounter deceptive. I'm much more forgiving, even supp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 03:39 PM |
| 4 | Q4Men How much do you care about your partners sexual history?This, although I can't pretend I didn't care even when marriage was the furthest thing from my mind. There are a few women I'm not proud to have been with, not because they're ugly but because in hindsight they're disgusting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 03:21 PM |
| 8 | Q4Men How much do you care about your partners sexual history?I wouldn't call myself a chad but I've been with ~30 women and had a pretty big reputation in my program, and it never hurt my dating success even among those who knew I'd been around. I think if anything it made me some sort of trophy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 03:17 PM |
| 1 | r/MGTOW just got removed. Is Reddit's Moderators biased towards blue-pilled ideas?Dude I have no dog in this fight, I'm canadian and center-left. The only point I'm making is that it's hypocritical to get all up in arms over TD when a large portion of reddit is just as extreme towards conservatives. The difference is that that attitude is accepted and encouraged for no good reason except thinly veiled moral superiority complexes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Are most women even attracted to men?The conspiracy part would be corporations and governments knowing that it's incredibly toxic but feeding it to us anyway, to make us miserable and create a positive feedback loop of consumerism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/20 02:40 PM |
| 2 | Are most women even attracted to men?Not necessarily bottom of the barrel, could just be average, but the male average is a sad state. As someone who was average and then began hitting the gym, I'm at least sympathetic to where he's coming from, the difference is night and day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/20 09:13 PM |
| 7 | Would you be ok with a woman sleeping with you because she has to?Solid reply. I would add though that if your wife doesn't desire you any longer, it's your duty to attempt to fix that, as much as it's her duty to not completely torpedo the sex life in the meantime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/20 06:42 PM |
| 12 | Are most women even attracted to men?It seems like he's comparing attractive women to average men and wondering why the attraction isn't there. Just a goofy thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/20 05:46 PM |
| 23 | Are most women even attracted to men?It’s common for men to stare at women’s tits; why don’t women stare at men’s arms or something? Uh, they do? All the damn time. What do men have that’s natural to attract women? Muscles are worked for. No, muscles are natural too. It's just that our environment leads us to sedentary lifestyles and trash diets. Women are attracted to men that look how a man should look, it's just that very few men fit that bill these days. If I were more conspiratorial I would say it's by design. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/20 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Is it normal to sometimes cringe-read stuff from TheRedPill/MGTOW or FemaleDatingStrategy just to feel better about not being able to find someone ?It's normal, but you'd have better luck self-improving and not convincing yourself that it's everyone else that's the problem. There are a shortage of marriageable people out there I'll give you that, but it's not because they're all posting on Red Pill or FDS. That's a very small segment of the population and it's hard to say if they're even any less succesful than average. From my own anecdotal experience, I would guess they're doing fine if not better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/20 03:08 PM |
| 1 | r/MGTOW just got removed. Is Reddit's Moderators biased towards blue-pilled ideas?So is r/politics and it's a fucking default, violence is fine in the other direction as far as reddit is concerned | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/20 03:01 PM |
| 0 | Why is the red pill community quarantined?Significance, as opposed to the SPLC... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/20 02:42 PM |
| 1 | What do women bring to the table in relationships?It was a joke, but there is a lucid point in there if I wanted to try hard enough to make it. Unfortunately I don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 02:16 PM |
| 3 | The Red Pill gives women what they wantYou don't get to the point of being a 'man slut' unless you give off vibes that attract women. It's really not rocket science. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 02:13 PM |
| 1 | What is the natural, pre-civilization state of the SMP? Harems or rape?I agree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 02:10 PM |
| -1 | Why is the red pill community quarantined?What's pathetic is white-knighting for women in 2020, using the SPLC as evidence of all things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 02:06 PM |
| 0 | Why is the red pill community quarantined?About? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 03:55 AM |
| 1 | Why is the red pill community quarantined?Just calling it how I see it man. Never did meet a male feminist I could respect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 03:50 AM |
| 0 | Why is the red pill community quarantined?This guy's T level lower than my grandma and she's dead af. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 03:12 AM |
| 1 | Red pill men; what do you want?Thanks for clarifying. I did mean women though, for the most part. In my experience even women who try to be sympathetic to the male half of what's going on just can't muster it. Same goes for men though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 03:01 AM |
| 2 | What do women bring to the table in relationships?Still cheaper than a girlfriend or wife then ;) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 02:54 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill gives women what they wantThe red pill does not tell men not to marry, most red pilled men just decide that's the best outcome using the information they're given, and even then it usually only lasts during the anger phase. There's an entire branch of RP theory on marriage, and it includes being an 'Alpha Bucks' like the OP mentions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 02:48 AM |
| 4 | The Red Pill gives women what they wantThey do. It's called pre-selection, and it's a huge factor. These women are nutters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 02:45 AM |
| 3 | Women aren't as much into "buffed" men as some guys defend, it's just that already-attractive men are immediately considered "buffed" as soon as they put a little muscle on.This is the exact wrong question, and it's why OP is mistaken. Physical attractiveness has been found to be about 50% face and 50% body. So the real question is, if you have an average face, would women prefer you slim or jacked? The answer is obviously jacked. If you have a pretty face, the answer it still jacked. It can only benefit you to get jacked, that's the point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 02:41 AM |
| 1 | What is the natural, pre-civilization state of the SMP? Harems or rape?They got replaced by monogamous societies because monogamy is a better model for keeping men civilized. Here's the rub: we don't live in a monogamous society anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/20 02:34 AM |
| 3 | Do women actually like sex with alphas, or the validation that comes with being able to attract him?That's not the sex that's the issue then, it's just that most guys suck at it. Which, fair enough, that I'm willing to concede. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 09:51 PM |
| 3 | Do women actually like sex with alphas, or the validation that comes with being able to attract him?Yeah, fine, I'm literally not arguing that, nor did I ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 09:23 PM |
| 3 | Do women actually like sex with alphas, or the validation that comes with being able to attract him?Yeah I could see that, it's more like the icing on the cake than the entire purpose right? Probably something to do with the female orgasm being facultative and not obligate. I really don't envy that, but at the same time the ability to have multiple orgasms sounds pretty dope. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 08:33 PM |
| 1 | What is the natural, pre-civilization state of the SMP? Harems or rape?The genetic data I'm referencing has to do with Y-chromosome diversity and mitochondrial DNA. Up until about 10-20k years ago the Y-chromosome was heavily bottlenecked, significantly few men were reproducing but most women were. The answer in conjunction with the sperm displacement theory is then shared harems. The top few men shared all the women. I did find the paper I was thinking of as well, check it out if you'd like: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00239-003-2458-x | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 08:30 PM |
| 4 | Do women actually like sex with alphas, or the validation that comes with being able to attract him?That's fine, none of what I said was explicitly about penetrative sex only. A thumb on the clit during missionary goes a long way, same as it does for the reach around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 08:27 PM |
| 1 | What do guys consider "fat"?Loads of things to consider that we're only just starting to understand. Glycemic index, inflammatory properties, etc etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 05:43 PM |
| 1 | What is the natural, pre-civilization state of the SMP? Harems or rape?It'd be adaptive for anything within 24-48 hours. The paper also cites some rudimentary modern stats. About 25% of women admit to infidelity, and 1/8 admit to having more than one partner within 24 hours. These are modern numbers, there's nothing that would suggest to me that women actually had fewer partners pre-civilization. If I remember correctly genetic data places the origin of monogamy at 10-20,000 years ago. I'll try to source that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 05:17 PM |
| 3 | What is the natural, pre-civilization state of the SMP? Harems or rape?Sperm competition through volume is the mechanism in our ape relatives. Chimp testicles are about 3 times the size. Our mechanism seems to displacement rather than sheer volume. It's theorized it's why the human penis is much longer, for deposition closer to the cervix, and why the glans has a coronal ridge, to act like a 'scoop' to get rid of all the other funk during the act. Solid paper on it here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12110-006-1008-9 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Red pill men; what do you want?feminine etc) without the bullshit involved Yeah, sadly you don't often get one without the other (I do note you said unicorn so I'm just expanding). Femininity is pretty entwined with neuroticism and emotionality, lack of accountability, etc. The harshest red pill of all is that the 'best' women also tend to be the hardest to put up with once the novelty wears off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 04:51 PM |
| 2 | Red pill men; what do you want?Did you reply to the wrong person or is there a point relative to my comment that I'm missing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 04:38 PM |
| 8 | Do women actually like sex with alphas, or the validation that comes with being able to attract him?Yep. The eyes rolling back and uncontrollable spasms is borderline culty shit, almost like an exorcism. Or when they beg you to cum inside them and grab your ass so that you literally can't pull out. Or literally drawing blood with their nails. The list is exhaustive, I actually think when the sex is good it's way better for women than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 03:46 PM |
| 2 | Red pill men; what do you want?Glad you asked. These papers are a good start, but only scratch the surface. There's a huge body of research on income perception, genetic quality, parental quality, etc. The in-body citations lead the way if you want more reading. Also the second link is to a pdf so be wary of that. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/%28SICI%291520-6505%281996%295%3A4%3C134%3A%3AAID-EVAN3%3E3.0.CO%3B2-G https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2015/… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 03:42 PM |
| 1 | Red pill men; what do you want?Hypergamy is very much not a load of piffle. It's one of the most well-researched facets of human sexuality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 03:30 PM |
| 2 | What is the natural, pre-civilization state of the SMP? Harems or rape?Yes, I agree. You could also incorporate the semen displacement model into this, as shared harems would create substantial selective pressure on indirect forms of male competition | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 03:05 PM |
| 5 | Do women actually like sex with alphas, or the validation that comes with being able to attract him?I don't think they're pretending, but I think they're downplaying the carnal aspect of really great sex with someone they were mesmerized by. The hunger some women get is just otherworldly, almost dissociative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 03:02 PM |
| 10 | What is the natural, pre-civilization state of the SMP? Harems or rape?Early humans still had respected hierarchies. Meaning that alpha who's head you're suggesting bashing in is actually the chieftain, and the beta doing it would be exiled or killed by his cronies. Not worth it for a bit of strange. The betas stuck to beta things for that, like sharing their resources. If they didnt, they wouldn't be betas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 02:44 PM |
| 14 | Red pill men; what do you want?Spot on. At this point I just want what my parents and grandparents had, a sustainable relationship to build a family and legacy. Even if I find that for myself, I am concerned for the future my children/grandchildren will have to live through with the way gender dynamics are going. I said in another thread, I'd like women to be more sympathetic to their part in these issues. Of course that goes for men too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/20 02:33 PM |
| 4 | Q4Men: what do you have to say to the women who try to marry a good man before they hit the wall, but fail?As a great man once said Bruh, Benny was a fink. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 07:12 PM |
| 8 | Q4Men: what do you have to say to the women who try to marry a good man before they hit the wall, but fail?Uh, thanks. The women pictured are not attractive, they're overweight, definitely won't be locking down a 6 or 7. I rest my case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 06:24 PM |
| 8 | Q4Men: what do you have to say to the women who try to marry a good man before they hit the wall, but fail?And you think, with a BMI of 27, that you deserve a 6 or a 7? I'm sorry but I see the issue. Try dating a 5, because statistically you're a 4 at best, don't delude yourself on that. If you want a 6 or a 7 you gotta lose some weight, whether it's muscle or fat is unimportant. Like I said, tough love. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 06:16 PM |
| 5 | Q4Men: what do you have to say to the women who try to marry a good man before they hit the wall, but fail?I call bullshit. There are few ways to not look overweight with a 27 BMI. I know it's not a perfect metric but come on. You either have an excess of body fat or are extremely short and have a lot of muscle mass, or some combination of both. Either way it's a turnoff for men. You also didn't answer the question, what do these guys look like? If you were them would you want to only have sex with yourself for the rest of your life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 06:05 PM |
| 12 | Do men love dominating as much as women love being dominated?Same here. I still get a bit of a mental block about it, but it just never fails that they seem unsatisfied without spanking, some light choking, etc. Gotta toss em around a bit too, just generally impose your strength. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 06:03 PM |
| 5 | Q4Men: what do you have to say to the women who try to marry a good man before they hit the wall, but fail?Ah, you're overweight. Are you attempting to date men who are equal or at least close to you in this realm? It's one of few things that even the average skinny-fat dude is not willing to compromise on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 05:58 PM |
| 5 | Q4Men: what do you have to say to the women who try to marry a good man before they hit the wall, but fail?Depending on these guys I doubt you need to be top 20%. Men are less picky physically, but when you weigh physical vs emotional attraction physical does matter more. A better question I guess is, what's your BMI, and what was theirs? Sorry if this is blunt, I'm taking a tough love angle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Q4Men: what do you have to say to the women who try to marry a good man before they hit the wall, but fail?Keep trying. Also, are you attractive? Even good relationship-oriented men aren't going to settle down without some strong underlying sexual force. Sounds like you may be missing that bit, relatively speaking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 05:21 PM |
| 1 | How can the sexual marketplace be “regulated” without basically forcing people to be intimate with those they don’t desire?I never said there was a secret illuminati. It probably developed naturally, social evolution works the exact same as genetic evolution in that sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 05:02 PM |
| 1 | How can the sexual marketplace be “regulated” without basically forcing people to be intimate with those they don’t desire?It's dead, which is precisely why gender relations are decaying. Monogamy was a tool to control female hypergamy and therefore regulate male aggression. The SMV is now entirely unregulated, spawning incels and MGTOW and neither of those are particularly pleasant groups of people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 04:50 PM |
| 5 | Why do women have to lower their “standards”? Why can’t men just lower their sex drives?I would agree that socially enforced monogamy has to work both ways. Women have to pair up with men of similar value and those men have to want that as well. The problem is that we live in a post sexual revolution society. Sex used to be equally scarce for everyone outside of relationships, whereas now succesful men are far less incentivized to settle down because it's easy. Women generally gatekeep sex and men generally gatekeep relationships, we don't often take a relatioship when sex is abund… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 04:46 PM |
| 8 | Why do women have to lower their “standards”? Why can’t men just lower their sex drives?Best explanation in the thread if you ask me, probably why nobody has chimed in to argue with you. It's real easy, back when monogamy was the norm everybody of similar appearance and status paired up and things were generally pleasant. Ugly women won't settle for ugly men anymore because they give it up so easily for slightly above average dudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 04:31 PM |
| 1 | How can the sexual marketplace be “regulated” without basically forcing people to be intimate with those they don’t desire?As individuals, and only when the SMV is completely unrestricted. As a population we seemed to develop monogamy as a sort of altruistic societal control. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 03:59 PM |
| 1 | If a woman shares her sexual history with a partner and it causes the partner to leave, then it's not a partner you wantDual mating strategy. Women tend to take more risks early on in their most fertile years and have kids with men of high genetic quality (tall, fit, etc), then later on take advantage of men without other options for resources. There's a full body of literature on it. David Buss and Steve Gangestad are a good start if it's papers you want to read. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 08:02 AM |
| 1 | How can the sexual marketplace be “regulated” without basically forcing people to be intimate with those they don’t desire?Women have always had majority control over market spending. I would say that it's automation and birth control that freed women from their biology, but that hasn't yet changed our underlying psychology, social pressures would go a long way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 07:49 AM |
| 1 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?So a minority of people willing to take up arms against tyranny are women. Gotcha. Don't get me wrong, I see what you're saying but there are a couple problems with it: I was never serious to begin with. A full scale war between the sexes would be over long before women ever had the chance to physiologically adapt by 'growing muscles'. It's not really a hypothetical worth entertaining. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/20 07:46 AM |
| 7 | How can the sexual marketplace be “regulated” without basically forcing people to be intimate with those they don’t desire?It doesn't have to be government enforced, socially enforced was working just fine until around the 70s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/20 05:57 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?You're just made out of spare parts arent ya? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/20 05:50 PM |
| 6 | In What Ways do Men Expect Women to Care about the Sexlessness Epidemic?It's the opposite for me. I don't have any issue with it from a personal level because it doesn't affect me, but I think about what's on the horizon and it's a big cause for concern. Men who are not satisfied get aggressive. We know that monogamous societies probably developed that way to tame male aggression, so what happens when we reach the tipping point? I also worry for my future children's sake. Gender relations are just not in a good place and only seem to be getting worse. I don't want t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/20 05:48 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?That's just because there's no punchline. It's not funny because it's not funny, not because of the content. I could easily get a laugh out of well crafted dark humour at the expense of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/20 05:39 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?Powerful imagination you have there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/20 05:37 PM |
| 1 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?I think most divorces could be avoided, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/20 05:36 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?My dating pool for women is pretty narrow as is just from my starting filter, by the time I really narrow down it's like 0.5% of women I'd consider myself compatible with. I don't think my behavioural filter would apply to as many gay men, although yes from a broad perspective I can see how it'd be difficult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/20 05:35 PM |
| 3 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?Your 'extra effort' is little more than whining. I'd easily date a woman who spends 10 hours a week at the gym and does basic grooming tasks. Jesus christ, it's not that difficult to be a woman (or man, but that's not the point), just drop the sob story already. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 06:58 PM |
| 19 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?Jesus christ it's a joke, a dark one. You'll be happy to know I'm not out here eating women so you can drop the whole pearl clutching bit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 06:51 PM |
| 4 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?Time to get ready in the morning is a small slice of 'annoying shit' either gender has to deal with. Try to harder to be a victim though, it's kinda funny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 06:49 PM |
| 6 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?Probably be good eating if you ask me, low muscle tone, nice and tender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 06:15 PM |
| 2 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?Bulking is so brutal. Eat until you're painfully full, then continue eating. Day after day for months. It gets easier as your metabolism adapts just like cutting does but god damn the first few weeks are a slog. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 05:32 PM |
| 6 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?I didn't say that. I'm pointing out there's a male analogue to every single woe you have about being a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 05:29 PM |
| 2 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?They have to adhere to the exit procedure that would not be in place without that contract (and I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing, just that factually the fact they are married means they can only exit the contract through a divorce which is a legally regulated process) Even worse then. There's an inherent risk to the exit procedure which is not made up by the front-loaded incentives of the contract. That is everyones personal business and not a role of an institution to ensure. Institut… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 05:26 PM |
| 1 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?However there is absolute no reason to be with someone for utilitarian reasons The reason used to be children, and to an extent it still is. Women tend to not want children unless they feel secure, and marriage solved that problem. Now that the incentive structure has been destroyed there are a lot more single moms out there. Funny how that works. It is all as real as any other experience we have and it isnt "to induce reproduction", there is no purpose behind it. It survived as an experience be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 05:19 PM |
| 9 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?You've never heard of a cut before? When I'm not bulking I'm perpetually slow-cutting, it's like 9 months of the year and I love it. Bulking is way more uncomfortable. Also low maintenance= ungroomed for woman. You'll love getting constantly asked if your tired because you didn't slap on foundation. And lots of men have to shave daily for work. Even the ones that don't end up putting a substantial amount of work into their facial hair if they don't want to look like a homeless person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 05:09 PM |
| 5 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?Shit are you me? Let's just date bro. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 05:03 PM |
| 6 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?I would buy behavioural, but psychometrically I doubt it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 05:01 PM |
| 3 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?It's both. If one party can easily void a contract then the contract has no value The point of marriage isnt to ensure people stay married. No, it's more like ensuring people stay married is what makes the marriage worthwhile in the longterm. have xyz benefits while married and there is a process in place when they split (depending on how intertwined they were in terms of finances, family etc) Without the incentive to take the marriage seriously there are no benefits to gain, only the split beco… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 04:55 PM |
| 12 | How to approach hot guy at bar, etc to hookup?/thread | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 04:49 PM |
| 5 | "RP works tho"Incels are just guys who are red pilled but refuse to put in the work. It has nothing to do with the ideology itself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 04:45 PM |
| 1 | "RP works tho"Those are all you need to get an LTR, it's far from all you need to maintain one. To maintain you need to be able to negotiate, something that RP discourages except in the framework of an LTR. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 04:41 PM |
| 4 | "RP works tho"This whole time I hadn't realized all I needed to do was wear a shirt with +2 strength and pants with +2 charisma. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 04:38 PM |
| 2 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?I don't think marriage should be about romance. Romance, lust, it's all just a chemical circuit to induce reproduction. It's not a sustainable goal. Marriage should be about utility. many cheated and didnt even like each other Doesn't sound any different from modern marriage then, assuming it happened at any higher of a rate, which I seriously doubt. it would make people with modern expectations of marriage (which you clearly share) either depressed, detached (cheating, living apart), or avoid m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 04:33 PM |
| 8 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?Not the least bit interested, no matter how androgynous, just can't force sexuality in that way. It's just a thought experiment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 04:23 PM |
| 0 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?Not an argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 02:58 PM |
| 1 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?It's a thought experiment about the institution of marriage and incentives. I wouldn't actually implement this legally given the option, but I'd be more likely to marry under it than the current system. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 02:58 PM |
| 3 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?It's not the end of the world, it just makes the entire system worthless. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for actually implementing this structure, but I'd be more likely to get married under it than the one we have now. There is quite literally no reason to get married anymore, and potential divorce is a significant risk now. The incentive just doesn't exist now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 02:56 PM |
| 1 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?This comment chain is no longer just about the hypothetical scenario in the OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 02:50 PM |
| 53 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?I've often thought that being gay would've made my life a lot easier, at least now that the stigma is mostly gone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 02:37 PM |
| 2 | [Q4M] how many of you can honestly say that you would date yourself if you were a woman?Easy yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 02:36 PM |
| 2 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?Because having the self-awareness alone doesn't provide the incentive to actually follow through on it. People want all kinds of things, but they're a hell of a lot less likely to do what it takes to get what they want if there are a multitude of excuses to get out of it. You either can and want to make it or dont and cant I don't truly believe any married then divorced couple could not have made things work, with enough improvement individually and as a unit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 02:31 PM |
| 1 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?I did say there should be a way out in egregious circumstances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 02:20 PM |
| 2 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?People who are self-aware enough quickly realize what they need to do to make it work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 02:19 PM |
| 3 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?Not what I've read, but certainly there are other factors to consider. The decline in marriage is still cause for concern. It's like choice vs obligation leads to happier people or something Happiness isn't a sustainable goal. Obligation is more likely to lead to fulfillment, it just doesn't sound pretty, and that's because it's not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 07:52 AM |
| 1 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?Because marriage rates are plummeting. Marriage is ever more a status symbol for the upper middle class, and people from such backgrounds were always less likely to divorce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 07:42 AM |
| 1 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?The idea is that given neither person can leave you both have to make the best of it, which means you have a far greater chance of actually uncovering what it takes to remain a good couple indefinitely. The finality of it is incentive. It's also a massive burden, but burden is the ultimate incentive. It's like having kids, once you do it there's no way out. You have to do your best at that point. Edit: reworded some things | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 07:40 AM |
| 3 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?The marriage you're describing is all but doomed to failure, but yeah sure, I'll take a nice chunk of alimony. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 07:35 AM |
| 1 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?Can't speak for the other reply but I absolutely would, it means they could never leave me either. The only option then is to work through everything life throws at you, together, to the best of your ability. Marriage as an institution was designed to bring out the best in people and provide a healthy environment for children. You work hard at it because there was no way out except in egregious circumstances. Now marriage only encourages you to work hard until you don't feel like it anymore, whi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 07:31 AM |
| 2 | For those who are opposed to marriage, would you marry if your wife makes 3X more than you?Fair enough, but on the other side of the coin when you make it too easy to leave there becomes no incentive to stay. Staying is where the meaningfulness of marriage as an institution resides, without it the whole system eventually dies, which is what we're seeing now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 07:27 AM |
| 1 | Why don’t women view as a “relationship” type of guy?Uh, alright | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 07:01 AM |
| 1 | Why do so many men believe they deserve what Chad gets?It doesn't have anything to do with blue pill schtick, it's science, although yes the underlying reason is to select for high fertility. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 07:00 AM |
| 1 | Why do so many men believe they deserve what Chad gets?Lots of bitter black pill guys use it that way. Realistically it's just an important aspect of human evolution. It leads to more strict mate selection which is good for the gene pool. Women select for competent men to extract resources from because women bare the brunt of the risk in having children. Men select mainly for attractiveness because we bare no risk (from a genetic perspective, not a societal one), so we essentially get away with selecting only for good genes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 06:59 AM |
| 1 | Why don’t women view as a “relationship” type of guy?Yeah | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/20 06:55 AM |
| 0 | Why don’t women view as a “relationship” type of guy?I had quite a reputation in my program and never had this issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 09:12 PM |
| 1 | Why don’t women view as a “relationship” type of guy?They wouldn't, follow your gut on that. It's not because they're women either, very few people in general have enough social awareness to give decent advice about something like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 09:11 PM |
| 3 | Why don’t women view as a “relationship” type of guy?Well, women your age don't really want that unless you're uber-Chad to them. Try not to take it personally. Shit I'm 26 and still most women won't settle down unless they find a guy way above them in SMV, and you don't really want to settle do you? The cock carousel is a real thing my dude, better saddle up cause you've got about 10 more years to go before women start to hop off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 09:05 PM |
| 2 | How many men can afford a stay at home wife?I could definitely afford it, not a problem, there'd be no reason to though. It's all downside. In this economy the extra income would be really nice. I also don't plan on getting fleeced in a potential divorce because my wife never developed a career and needs an insane amount of spousal support. Don't get me wrong, I'm ultra-traditional, on paper a stay at home wife would be great, but it's not compatible with modern economy and outdated divorce laws. Edit: Shouldn’t women be more worried abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 08:44 PM |
| 1 | [Question for Men] Do you feel like you are owed sex from women, just because like you feel like you want/need sex? Is this why some men get upset when women have high standards, since it makes sex harder to get?That's fine, and that's why I said the pendulum needs to swing gently and not ferociously. I'm saying not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, can you understand that level of nuance? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 07:10 PM |
| 1 | [Question for Men] Do you feel like you are owed sex from women, just because like you feel like you want/need sex? Is this why some men get upset when women have high standards, since it makes sex harder to get?I'm not a centrist either, I just understand that you need to find common ground on politics. If you don't then people get entrenched in ideological bias that only gets more and more extreme and society just burns to the ground. It's beneficial for the pendulum to swing back and forth between consertive and liberal with minimal amplitude, otherwise you get things like the Russian Revolution and millions die over what is, on paper, a 'good cause'. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 06:48 PM |
| 2 | Why do so many men believe they deserve what Chad gets?This paper is a good start. For a long term relationship women value men for physical attractiveness, economic investment potential, good parenting indicators, and good partner indicators, pretty much equally. Men value women primarily for attractiveness and (relatively speaking) very little else wise. The key finding of this paper is that it's only very attractive women that are able to secure all 4 traits, while other women need to make tradeoffs to optimize. Between this paper and it's citati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 05:09 PM |
| 0 | [Question for Men] Do you feel like you are owed sex from women, just because like you feel like you want/need sex? Is this why some men get upset when women have high standards, since it makes sex harder to get?Respectfully, I'd say you have an extremely naive take on politics just judging by your bulleted points. You can't just view things in a vacuum that way. I understand that you want to help people, everyone does. It might shock you to learn that even conservatives think poverty is bad. The extent to which someone is fiscally conservative is usually just about optimization. Ie. If we tax this much, how much will it help people vs how much will it hurt our economy? Obviously you can admit there exi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 04:54 PM |
| 7 | Why do so many men believe they deserve what Chad gets?Hypergamy applies to more than just status. These bubbles prove that hypergamy is at least sometimes socially conditioned (vs evolutionarily engrained). No it doesn't. It exists cross-culturally. It's well-documented in psychological literature. What your anecdote proves is that there are 'exceptions' to every population level pattern and stereotype, but exceptions don't make the rule. Further, I put exceptions in quotes because without seeing what these women and their partners look like (you i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 04:35 PM |
| 1 | [Question for Men] Do you feel like you are owed sex from women, just because like you feel like you want/need sex? Is this why some men get upset when women have high standards, since it makes sex harder to get?Psst, not all conservatives are anti-abortion or anti-health care or whatever, and of the ones that are if you'd talk to them about it openly you may actually find some common ground. Things aren't black and white, the media just wants you to think they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 04:07 PM |
| 11 | Why do so many men believe they deserve what Chad gets?Which is also patently false. There was a thread just yesterday asking people "What are you slightly ashamed to admit about yourself when it comes to blue pill or red pill concepts", and the entire thread was just blue pill women admitting that they're pretty much only attracted to the type of men TRP advocates turning yourself into. You cannot make this shit up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/20 03:34 PM |
| 3 | Men who are unsuccessful in dating are so because they have nothing in common with women?Just start outright bragging then. You'd be surprised how few young women (people really) can cook these days. I've been trying to find them, believe me. I took a few cooking classes to try find women who were interested in it as a skill and it seemed like they were just there to meet dudes who could also cook because I ended up doing all the cooking anyway. Super big turnoff. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/20 07:32 PM |
| 4 | Promiscuous women are marriage material?It starts to go up at fewer than 10. It spikes a little at 2, drops for 3, but then goes up significantly for everything beyond that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/20 07:24 PM |
| 2 | When you're single, are you part of the 90% or the 10%?Intra-gender competition with an element of preselection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/20 07:19 PM |
| 4 | So you want all the rewards without any of the effort or risk?Agreed. My entire friend group consists of guys in top 20% of looks easily. By the time you factor in career and social status, game, etc. they're easily top 10%. Getting laid is super easy if that's all we wanted, but you know what? We're all fucking miserable with our dating lives too. Women who are wife material have gone the way of the dodo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/20 06:55 PM |
| 42 | So you want all the rewards without any of the effort or risk?Anger is a completely reasonable reaction to the destruction of traditional societal norms that made sex more accessible for a majority of men, especially for the ones that drew the short straw. Everybody else sees it happening, knows it's bad, but the advice becomes "enjoy the decline". Hell, most anthropologists and sociologists would argue that enforced monogamy existed purely to make men less aggressive. In that sense the whole angry MGTOW and incel thing was predictable, and judging by what… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/20 03:32 PM |
| 45 | So you want all the rewards without any of the effort or risk?Who exactly are you directing this toward? Red pilled guys are the first to recommend building A traits to get laid. Black pill guys just think the juice isn't worth the squeeze, and to be fair it's often not. It's reasonable for them to be angry about that, can't fight the male libido. Your argument also lacks any nuance and makes it sound as though all these men are being hypocritical candy asses, when the reality is a lot of women are being just as unreasonable. Some women demand a prince whi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/20 03:11 PM |
| 0 | Q4A: Is there part of your personality / behavior that you are embarrassed about that proves RP / BP / FDS right?Obligatory happy cake day friendo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/20 05:43 AM |
| 1 | The argument “men don’t need sex because they can survive without it” is bullshit.Column A, column B. Undoubtedly men can make up for lack of sex with sense of great purpose elsewhere, but that's separate to the fact that for most men they want to find that purpose in a woman (or women). It also doesn't do away with genetic drive or negate any physiological maladies that most men would face attempting this lifestyle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/20 05:25 AM |
| 1 | The argument “men don’t need sex because they can survive without it” is bullshit.Thanks. Kind of as I expected, something about devoting your life to something more meaningful than sex has a profoundly positive impact on mental health. Not really a surprise, but not something most people can muster in modern society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/20 08:11 PM |
| 2 | Q4all: Everyone seems to be upset with dating these days. Is it because of genuine grievances, are people too picky, or is it miscommunication?Solipsism. Careful though, they get pissy when you mention that word. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/20 06:37 AM |
| 2 | The argument “men don’t need sex because they can survive without it” is bullshit.Link? I'd be willing to bet that has something to do with being deeply entrenched in religion in a meaningful way. It's not something you'd likely be able to apply to the population at large, at least not now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/20 06:15 AM |
| 12 | The argument “men don’t need sex because they can survive without it” is bullshit.Women don't want safe men, they want to be safe, which usually means being with a man who has the capacity to be dangerous but restrains himself. Similarly men don't want a whore, they want a low n-count woman who's low n-count out of principle and not just distaste for sex. Both can get what they want if people weren't being fed toxic bullshit round the clock. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/20 06:12 AM |
| 1 | CMV while biological instincts make a difference for relationships, the ideal solution would be to minimize them rather than to acknowledge and go back to tradition.Women who are turned on by feminine men are exceedingly rare, enough to be statistically irrelevant when discussing relationships ina broad sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/20 06:02 AM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?Two separate questions. It's not 'bad' to be a betabux, it's just weak. If you can wait until your 30s to secure mediocre women on status alone, more power to you, but to me shows lack of character. For example, men who work out usually start because it makes them more attractive, but it's the self-improvement that keeps them going longterm. To me betas are just men without the will to become alphas (or who don't know better, but that's a lame excuse). It's not a noble archetype. That has little… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 10:08 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?I know, that's what I've said elsewhere. The second half is still pure strawman. Accountant men generally don't mind accountant sex with accountant women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 09:23 PM |
| 2 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?Sure, and when a woman has put on 50 lbs of cumulative pregnancy weight that she has no intention to lose and doesn't get any less bitchy to compensate for her fading looks, I don't think she has any right demanding a square-jawed fighter pilot. Aren't strawman arguments fun? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 09:15 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.If it were honest, yes. " Deception is an act or statement which misleads, hides the truth, or promotes a belief, concept, or idea that is not true. It is often done for personal gain or advantage." So lets see. Her actions promote an idea about her sexuality that is not true. She knows this, but does it anyway for personal gain (keeping OP on the line as a beta provider). Not deception? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 08:28 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?It's not that wild a statement. You do realize the term sodomy is biblical right? It arose as a term to shame those that were partaking, man or woman, obviously with limited success because we know the Romans were big fans despite the taboo. Since then there's no reason to assume it went out of style aside from maybe during the Victorian era where it literally became illegal, but like I said elsewhere nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors and statistically people don't actually shy away … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 08:24 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?Either make an actual argument or show some evidence. I'd love to read this textbook of yours that indicates with any reliability that people didn't give blowjobs or do anal before the 1970s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 07:59 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.No I understand the premise just fine, it's that you don't understand it as being deceptive. Male sexual behaviour is not near as contextual, what we do with one woman we'd do with any woman, that's the source of the disconnect. Women literally act like completely different people depending on the context, that's textbook deception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 07:54 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?There's no historical context that would suggest people ever stopped sodomizing each other. The taboo rises and falls throughout history as tyrannical religiosity does, but taboos don't depict the realized norm. About 1/3 of women from the Puritan era were already pregnant when they got married, so we know for a fact taboos mean jack shit. Try harder. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 07:46 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?You've got data? I'd love to see it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 06:59 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.No, there is an expectation that your partner is heterosexual. Why? You sound pretty close-minded. ;) If you really care about someone's sexual history then ask. Take some personal responsibility. Same goes if a dude has had some good dick then too right? No? Why not? Personal responsibility gets fuzzy when you're making judgement calls about someone based on their behaviour. He saw her actions in the bedroom and thought it meant she had a fairly vanilla past. It's a reasonable assumption. It's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 06:58 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?I'm quite aware that marriage is a utilitarian construct, it's why modern people struggle with it, we're all looking for Disney style romances that never existed in the first place. Married people still fucked, whether it was out of love literally does not matter to this discussion. So what does your point have to do with anal exactly? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 06:36 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.You don't see how it's deceptive to act as though a significant part of your sexuality doesn't exist just because your partner is different? If OP were bi, and never gave any indication of that to his gf until he inadvertently spills the beans at a party, would you say that's deceptive? Or is it totally fine that he actually really likes dick because she just never induced that cock-loving response in him. Lying by omission is still lying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 06:29 PM |
| 2 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?Yes, and the reason men with madonna-whore complexes are reviled by women is because modern women tend to be completely fine admitting that they're more whore than madonna by nature. You won't convince me that women weren't whores for their husbands just because prostitution was rampant in the Victorian era. That's a tangential peice of evidence at best. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 06:06 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?And I'm saying I don't believe that for a second. "She kisses my children with that mouth" is a trope for a reason. I've never heard this trope. Are you sure you're not thinking of "Do you kiss your mother with that mouth" in reference to cussing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 05:58 PM |
| 2 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?What throughout history would suggest that this isn't the case? Romans attempted to suppress sodomy, and did so with limited success until probably around the renaissance. Thing got taboo again in the Victorian era but who's ever to say what goes on behind closed doors? I doubt many women were arguing with their husbands, few had the standing to resist even if they wanted to. Taboo is more about what can be done in the open, not what can be done in private. I don't think this is a falsifiable po… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 05:49 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?Bullshit. Your grandma took it in the ass just as often as your mom did. Don't fool yourself into thinking women sucked less dick when they were considered more property than people. They just reserved it for one man only. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 05:33 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.She can act however she wants. Sometimes a slut is obvious and sometimes not (sluts are usually highly sociosexual, but not always obviously). Like I said already, the problem isn't her past behaviour, it's that she's reserving her sexuality in front of OP. That's the deception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 04:52 PM |
| 2 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?Nah, plenty of low n-count women who don't buy into hedonism, although they do seem to be a dying breed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 04:43 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?I have nothing against sluts, I would just never marry one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 04:36 PM |
| 0 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?I agree, I'm saying it's the women saying they don't desire these things that should be less deceptive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 04:31 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?You think blowjobs and anal weren't things that happened in the past? The term literally originated in the Bible and people stopped taking most biblical advice seriously long before the sexual revolution happened. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 04:29 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.who doesn't do that anymore Heard that before, lol. It's not that she doesn't do that anymore, she would, just not for him. She's not a different person, she just wants him to think she is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 04:26 PM |
| 0 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?I don't think anal and blowjobs have much of anything to do with women's liberation. Sodomy has literally always been a thing, and while it was discouraged everybody still did it, just like pre-marital sex. It's disinhibition on n-count that men as a group will never accept. We're psychologically hardwired against it (probably because of threat of paternity fraud). The disgust is just projection of the unconscious mind saying 'this woman is low quality, if she gets pregnant there's only a low ch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 04:23 PM |
| 1 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?I understand that, and I'm saying it's more often than not hypocritical as fuck and should be discouraged. I'm also not saying you should expect alpha results by being beta, quite the opposite. I think most beta men would be quite happy with their beta women as long as those women aren't sluts for some past (or worse present) alpha. And yet most are. Everybody would get along better with just a little more self-awareness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 04:15 PM |
| 15 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?Even this misses the point that men are fine with wives, as long as their wives were not courtesans in their past for other men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 04:02 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.Because she hid it from him or outright lied about it? How exactly do you think that a woman who had some adventurous sex in college acts when she is 30? A hoe is a hoe no matter her age, and you know what they say about hoes and housewives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 03:47 PM |
| 9 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?Who said guys here want to be seen as exciting? Seems to me like most just want to be themselves and be treated fairly within that framework. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 03:44 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.Yes, everyone has a persona, that's fine. There's a difference between playing down your flaws and acting like a completely different person. If OP had any idea what her past was actually like before he probably wouldn't have been as shocked, which makes me assume she had fabricated her whole identity until that moment. He said himself, it's not her behaviour that was the deal breaker if she had owned it, it was that she was a different person with him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 03:38 PM |
| 10 | If you don't want women to see you as Mr boring safe guy, why do you act boring and safe?Being boring and being settled for are not mutually exclusive. Most people are boring. The issue as I see it is that your standard boring girl wants to be taken on adventures by your standard boring guy, when he'd rather just make dinner and watch tv and without him she'd just do the same. The expectation to not be boring is usually one-sided. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 03:33 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.You can't imagine a scenario wherein she was the one feeding him that image? Come on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 03:22 PM |
| 4 | CMV: the women having lots of casual sex before settling down are only a small subset of the female population and more likely than not they have equal status to the guys they have casual sex with.AWALT was never to be taken literally. It's just a phrase similar to 'boys will be boys'. It's just to say that when something 'typical' happens you shouldn't get upset because you should've expected it to happen, so just accept it. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, but when internalized correctly it's leads to less resentment and misogyny, not more. OP shows signs of AWALT right in her post: Seems like casual sex is not an end goal for most women but sometimes it is something they engage i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 03:17 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men being seen as a ''Safe option'' as a partner is an issue.Sometimes pain is appropriate. The reason pain exists, emotional or otherwise, is to be a sign that something needs fixing. If she has any level of self-awareness he'll have done her a favor by making her see how fucked up her behaviour is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 02:50 PM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Clearly we just define 'needs' differently. For me, if I'm not getting sex within a reasonable time frame then it's not a relationship for me, that's why I call it a need. Lack of sex in a relationship makes men anxious and depressed and decimates our T levels. It's quite literally a physiological drain for a man to be with someone and not have sex, the science is clear on that. It's not enough to only feel emotional comfort for men. overglorifies his hedonistic tendencies. Wanting sex is not he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 02:38 PM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Well, no wonder you're bitter. And the guy friends I do have dont put sex as their highest priority. When did I say it was my highest priority? I prioritize connection over sex, if I didn't I wouldn't ever wait period, but I do at some reasonably decided point need the sex too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/01/20 05:36 AM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?This is far from the tone in your previous comment and doesn't strawman as much. I appreciate you dialing it back. It's not a need the same way food and water is a need, but that's not the proper context anyway so you just moved the goalposts. The real question should be "Is it something you need to have a successful relationship with someone? And the answer you get from men (and most women) on that is a resounding yes. Our bodies can't distinguish between protected and unprotected sex. Biologic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/20 03:56 PM |
| 1 | CMV while biological instincts make a difference for relationships, the ideal solution would be to minimize them rather than to acknowledge and go back to tradition.I would say you should seek to minimize the differences in areas that lead to conflict. In other areas the difference has to be maintained for the sake of arousal. So as an example, modern men need to do more cooking and cleaning because modern women with careers have less time to do it themselves even though it's traditionally been delegated to women. If you dont, it becomes a big source of conflict. Other things need to be maintained, women are quickly irritated by overly-feminine men and vice… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/20 01:40 AM |
| 0 | Why would a girl reject a guy out of her league?And? That's not what self-awareness is, at least it's nowhere near the full scope of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/20 01:15 AM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Jesus, you're deranged huh? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/20 01:13 AM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?I don't truly believe that. If you do that's fine, but then acknowledge that not only are you 'enjoying the decline', you're participating in it and accelerating it. If we're doomed so be it, but I'm not going to participate or sit idly by, not any more at least. I've had my fun and I can't back that kind of hedonistic lifestyle any more, I'd rather say my peace and attempt to cooperate to fix the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 09:30 PM |
| 4 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?No argument here, I was adding to your point lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 07:50 PM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Commonly used form of hyperbole, chill out. 3 months is still longer than even most high-quality relationship-oriented guys are willing to wait. You're shooting yourself in the foot if that's your standard, mostly because it sounds arbitrary. You don't vet based on a pre-set timeline, you do it by gauging comfort and intimacy, and it shouldn't take near 3 months to do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 07:47 PM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Not all guys that approach a woman want a relationship! Where did I say this? This is the vetting you are referencing, and it takes time. That actually is what I've been saying... with the addendum that nobody is going to wait forever, least of which the men that are actually worth their salt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 07:42 PM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Any guy who actually wants a relationship will. Like I said, vet properly and you'll be right more often than not. Not accepting responsibility for your role in that phase of the relationship is akin to men complaining when they buy a woman dinner and get ghosted. It's not a good look. Pay attention to the signs you're being used and it'll happen less often, it's not rocket appliances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 07:32 PM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Still better to reach for your own ceiling rather than just lie on the floor and lament that other people have more more than you. I know plenty of autistic dudes that started slamming after getting ripped. Ironically that helps with the autism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 07:16 PM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?I don't think you're paying enough attention then, or not vetting with enough pressure. Men will chew their own foot off to be with a woman they're enthralled by. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 07:04 PM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Most men aren't great actors. There's a pretty distinct difference in behaviour between men who are legitimately mesmerised by a woman, and when he's just stringing one along. You won't always guess right, some men are great actors, but most are not. All you can ask it to be right more often than not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 06:59 PM |
| 3 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Nice, and yeah I'm pretty sure Tool was referencing that phrase when they wrote Lateralus, great song. Sounds like we mostly agree. It's nice how just applying a little nuance can decide whether debate becomes a hostile argument or a pleasant conversation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 06:41 PM |
| 5 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?We cooperated more in the past, we just made more compromises to do it, mostly because our technology limited options. That's a seperate point though. We're mostly cooperating now, but non-cooperation is on the rise. That's what inceldom and MGTOW is about right? And it's only getting worse. It might be hard to accept but sex is one of man's top priorities, so if you want a majority of men to be cooperative and not just let society burn to the ground then they need to be getting laid. Simple as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 06:32 PM |
| 4 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?First off, nice username, is it a Tool reference? To your point, yeah I can agree on that. The extent to which they weren't attracted is debatable. Courtship was still a thing and more attractive women had more attractive suitors. I do agree I think women being less dependent on men has been a huge source of the conflict we're seeing now because women were more inclined to let things slide for providership. And that's fine, I'm not suggesting we return to that, but something's gotta give, we nee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 06:18 PM |
| 2 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?I'm not talking about slave ownership, I'm talking about mutual cooperation. Do you really think most women before this century were thinking about how oppressed they were while their husbands were working in coal mines? None of what I said has anything to do with any 'pill', men and women have different physiological and psychological priorities, that's just a fact, and I can post the studies for you. I'm trying to tell you there's a healthy middle ground where we take each others wants and nee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Why would a girl reject a guy out of her league?Self awareness is one vital quality that women have to a far far higher degree then men. My fucking sides. Don't get me wrong, the first part of your comment is correct, but I almost spit my coffee out reading this part. There's nothing that would indicate to me that this is the case, if anything my experience is 100% opposite. It's probably confirmation bias on both our parts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 05:04 PM |
| 15 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Women who outearn their husbands are about twice as likely to divorce them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 04:51 PM |
| 8 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Do you understand that there's a middle ground between being a fucktoy and withholding sex entirely? Can you imagine a scenario where you've got a good guy on the line, who does care about you, but he ultimately leaves because he's not having his sexual needs filled? Men and women are different on this, when men say that sex is a NEED, we really mean it. That doesn't mean that a guy who says he needs sex is incapable of caring about you or that he's just pretending when he says he does, it just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 04:49 PM |
| 7 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Those are two really different things for starters. First, men who can't get sex do suffer serious physiological consequences. Most develop depression and anxiety. There are a lot of reasons for that and only some of them are psychological. The point is it's not something to make light of, men are always healthier when they're getting laid regularly, and if you want a healthy society you need healthy men (it's also not the case that healthier men just get laid more, when you control for this the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 04:38 PM |
| 3 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?Kind of off-topic but your comment about jobs jogged my memory on something. I don't remember exactly who ran the analysis, but if you look at sex inequality and income inequality and calculate their respective gini coefficients (a measure of how disproportionately unequal things are), it turns out the sexual marketplace is far more unequal than the US economy. If anyone would consider the US economy unfair, then the SMP is by an even greater degree. I'm not one who thinks the US economy is all … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 04:30 PM |
| 1 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?It's pretty plausible, take it from me. I was a virgin until 20, rake thin at 130lbs, awful social skills, bad sense of fashion, etc. I turned it all around, every single thing holding me back is gone now. I'm muscular and trim at 170, work in sales so I'm always socializing, dress well, etc etc. Life gets a lot easier when you invest in yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 04:22 PM |
| 8 | How is it “unfair” that alpha males get lots of casual sex?People for the most part do have certain universal tastes, but then within each variable there's a lot of wiggle room. For example, women almost universally are going to find Henry Cavill extremely attractive, but if you ask them why they'll give you a bunch of different reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 04:17 PM |
| 2 | How is a guy going to slut-shame women and then throw a fit if a woman has a three month rule?Usually if they're authentic about it they're going to make you wait longer than 3 dates. Like I said the 3 date number is completely arbitrary and it doesn't do anything to help women not get pumped and dumped. You can bang those out in a week if you want and there's high sexual interest on her part. A woman who's real about not sleeping with a guy until she's comfortable usually takes ~1 month to open that door (with a lot of talk over text between dates too) but of course that varies too. I h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 04:09 PM |
| 31 | How is a guy going to slut-shame women and then throw a fit if a woman has a three month rule?I also have no problem as long as she's actually doing it out of her own principles and not just some arbitrary rule. Too often I see women try to 'impose' the 3 date rule just to make it seem like they're trying to vet me, when really they're ready to go on date 1 and just don't want to seem like a hoe. Guess how many actually wait until date 3? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 05:31 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Average Guys Aren’t Struggling, They’re the Majority of Men In RelationshipsThanks for the accurate stats! And yes it's a complex phenomena, lots of attributing variables, good summary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/20 05:22 AM |
| 11 | CMV: Average Guys Aren’t Struggling, They’re the Majority of Men In RelationshipsFrom what I recall it's about half. 14% instead of 28%, so no. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/20 11:39 PM |
| 2 | Women don't even consider below-average menIt's true, or at least it's what data shows. The more attractive a woman is the more selective she is. Plenty of guys make 6 figures and are plenty mature enough for a relationship. But now imagine how many guys make 6 figures, would be mature enough for a relationship AND are also 6'+ with washboard abs. Extremely few. On the other hand, we know women lie in self-reports all the time, so maybe take it with a grain of salt. I personally haven't noticed a difference, I see absurdly hot women leav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/20 04:30 PM |
| 6 | Why do redpillers ignore the grimy side of getting a high N-Count?Most of the things you list are situational at best. You're right that overall it's not all it's cracked up to be, but that's because it's a soulless lifestyle, not because you actually need to do any of the seedy shit you're mentioning. I don't do any hard drugs for example, nor have any the women I've been with (as far as I know). I've also never banged a dude's girlfriend (as far as I know), or been rejected for my reputation. You can keep your moral compass, it just becomes too hedonistic to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/20 05:01 PM |
| 24 | [CMV] The Red Pill is literally encouraging men to become mentally ill; even if the process attracts women, it is extremely damaging to a man's psycheThe answer should be fairly obvious. Society is toxic to young men, has been for awhile but it's really ramped up the past ~20 years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/20 03:23 PM |
| 1 | Why do guys not want relationships as much as women?If laziness were just a 1 or a 0 I would agree with you, I would even argue that should be the case,but it's not that black and white. That's not my point, the point I'm making is that the whole 'some women still respect men who work hard' argument is just a trap to get men to agree to indentured servitude for as long as you see fit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/20 03:15 PM |
| 1 | New video from Dr. Todd Grande: Is Intelligence Attractive? | Can Too Much Intelligence Decrease Attraction?We can do this back and forth all day, we're both just saying each other is wrong. I'll take the consensus in this case. You're free to disagree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/20 06:40 AM |
| 1 | New video from Dr. Todd Grande: Is Intelligence Attractive? | Can Too Much Intelligence Decrease Attraction?His explanations rely on misinterpretations of data and sometimes he's just outright wrong about it. He's practically a conspiracy theorist on this, using certain points of merit which paint a damning picture except when considered in full context of the literature. Like I said, plenty of other people have already taken him to school on this. https://www.jsmp.dk/posts/2019-06-16-talebiq/ https://greyenlightenment.com/taleb-wrong-about-iq-and-wealth/ https://www.quora.com/Is-Nassim-Taleb-right-th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/20 06:00 AM |
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