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You have the right outlook.
/r/MGTOW223/07/20 09:37 PM
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No. Maybe for some guys. I'm RP but also MGTOW. I do serial monogamy so probably look more like a tradcon to the outside world but I absolutely will never get married. But I also could not stand to spin plates and I don't need to 'smash' every woman I see. TRP has been good for me in understanding female nature and to protect against any relationship risk. Having a general understanding of female nature and female dating strategy, is enough to mitigate relationship and legal risk when it comes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 08:08 PM
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It should be legalized so that the business can be monitored by the government and that sex workers can be protected. There should also be no shame in either purchasing services from a sex worker or being one. It's actually a very pragmatic choice for men. If a man wants access to sex then hiring a prostitute is much cheaper than getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 04:16 PM
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I think that TRP is good when understanding and outlining female behavior, that's useful, but I agree that the straight up manipulation of people by both FDS and TRP is wrong and cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 07:21 PM
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Not sure what you're asking but I would say that TRP is absolutely right about female behavior and dating strategy, and what those behaviors indicate. It is accurate enough in the general sense for men to understand women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 02:59 PM
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Great post.
/r/MGTOW226/06/20 02:41 PM
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I could only watch 4 seconds. SMH. "Simp Nation" is all over it. Over 6 million views. So sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 07:52 PM
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Just concentrate on your own goals right now. If you still want a family when you're 35 or so, then fine. Have a few relationships first and see what it's like and whether or not you think it's worth it. For now, you should be focusing on yourself, professionally, personally, physically, financially, mentally, etc.... Be happy and confident in who you are and successful in these areas, and the world is yours. Do the hard work and you're absolutely not screwed at all.
/r/MGTOW212/06/20 05:03 PM
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No, equal rights is equal rights. Men deserve to have the same reproductive rights as women. Karen Straughn does a good job explaining legal paternal surrender and why it should be the right of every man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_nmXHZ7VcI
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 05:52 PM
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AF/BB describes the process of not only having sex with an 'alpha' but having his baby and then shacking up with a BB to help pay for and raise another man's child for 18-26 years. BB is the loser in that deal, genetically and financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 04:29 PM
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Patriarchy is a theory. There's not data supporting the assertion. It's just a feminist framework for talking about feminist issues and blaming 'patriarchy', aka, 'men.'
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 04:24 PM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 07:40 PM
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I'd argue that if TRP guys were 100% clear with girls that they aren't looking for anything serious she would have never had sex with him. Why would she? Why should he commit? If guys use their 'high beta' status to get sex, that's the way it goes. If girls are free to fuck bad boys and then trade sex for security and provisioning with betas, then it's perfectly ok for high status betas to use that female dating strategy on women to get what they want, sex without commitment. It's just an evolut…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 07:34 PM
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The best way to handle it is not to get married or stay in an LTR until he's at least 35 or so. He needs to have his own experiences. If she's not willing to wait then it probably wasn't going to work out anyway. Regardless, the odds that the first person he meets is 'the one', are almost impossible. So he needs to date and play the field until he knows what he values and what he doesn't before making any life changing decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:43 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:39 PM
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Yes, the guy down the street from me is a total BB. He married his current wife after she had two kids with some biker dude who wasn't stable. Married my neighbor, stays home while he pays the bills and helps raise some other dude's kids. It happens all the time. I don't get it, he didn't need her or her kids. He could have found someone else and had kids with them,if he waited and didn't just agree to marry the first thing that came along. He makes REAL good money, so she stays at home while he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:35 PM
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Patriarchy theory is just that, a theory surmised by a feminist. There's no proof of it, other than mostly women pointing at something and saying, 'that's patriarchy' when it fits their need. Marriage sucked for men too, and limited their choices as well. But, IMO, female/male gender roles were born out of survival for the species and transformed to fit the agrarian and industrial times. Now that it takes mostly two incomes to run a household, it's changing again because women have to work. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 04:55 PM
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I feel like the best part of the red pill philosophy, self improvement, is over around here. The red pill says if you look like a weakling, lift. If you’re fat, lose weight. If you dress like shit, get some clothes that fit. All of these things are great but they should be done for the self, not to attract women. That's just not the end goal for me, and shouldn't be for most men. Women should compliment a man's life, not be the center of it. I could care less about being the center of attention …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 02:55 PM
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But he doesn't really recommend marriage for younger men going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 05:26 PM
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As a MGTOW RP dude, I don't spin plates. I do serial monogamy and an fine with it being an LTR. I just don't marry or live with anyone. RP does a pretty good job of mapping out female behavior and dating strategy in a general sense, there are always exceptions. It informs decisions relating to women and helps me keep relationships on my own terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 05:23 PM
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If I do care, and that is a challenging question, then the best I can say is that I care less and less. Life's imperative to extend itself may be strong, but realistically, for humans at least, it's still a big maybe. Pinning hopes on that seems, as a practical matter, foolish. There is the matter of surviving here long enough to make leaving possible. IMO there is a higher probability of human extinction before a supernova. In light of that, I just don't see anyone as more valuable than anyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 05:53 PM
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That's not usually how it goes. LOL. I think you won the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 02:56 PM
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Great post. I would say that there was a point in my life where I accepted the idea that women were inherently worth more than men due to their ability to reproduce. What do I care about the fate of humanity? The human race will end regardless of who passes on their genes and who doesn't. It is ultimately immaterial and matters not one wit to the universe. Humans cannot survive in space long enough to make a short trip to some other nearby planet, provided there is one that could even support hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 02:36 PM
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But not social isolation, which what OP is really asking about
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 05:44 PM
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Yes, but that's just a result of age, not social isolation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 05:43 PM
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As a MGTOW, marriage is not in my future, thank goodness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 05:06 PM
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Is it because to women, the disgust impulse and greater risk of STDs posed by high n count men is overrided by the fact that high n count men tend to be far more desirable and high status than average guys? Yes, women are often sleeping with the same upper echelon of men. I don't believe there is a gross out factor, they want to sleep with those men. And they're willing to go raw if they want to have a child, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 05:05 PM
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So you're saying that there as just as many lonely and isolated women in our society as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:57 PM
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Like I said, I'm done. Have a nice life.
/r/MGTOW202/06/20 04:51 PM
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It's not fair but it happens and people don't need to explain what their reasons are. So no, if I was low n count and that was a problem for her because of [insert reason based on number here] then that's her right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 08:21 PM
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Brown is dead on, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 08:17 PM
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You're making my point when I say that 'nobody can say.' There are a myriad of factors contributing - is my point. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 08:13 PM
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You guys never LOL. Content can be a goal. Goal's can be existential or spiritual, whatever. But ok, we're done. Do whatever works for you, but the advice is not just platitudes and I've been in other subs where men have followed their own version of what I've said and are completely fulfilled, happy, and thankful for other men in those subs that have given that and other advice, support, and encouragement. If it's bullshit for you, great, do your own thing, it doesn't mean it's bad advice for m…
/r/MGTOW201/06/20 08:01 PM
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Didn't look at your study but I've seen that scientists have determined that historically, about 60% of women procreated while only about 35-40% of males have, using mitochondrial dna sampling. So whether or not it's all down to women being bi, nobody can say, but the results are in when it comes to only a minority of men getting with women and having a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 04:24 PM
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I think it depends on the strategy he is employing at the time. To use your example, he still dated her and had sex with her, which is a priority. And it doesn't mean that he won't do the same to a woman who makes him wait a few weeks before sleeping with him. Sex mode vs relationship mode are kinda of two separate but parallel agendas for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 04:06 PM
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I've seen it explained, from where I'm not sure, that it's biological/natural. Women who perceive themselves as higher up in looks feel disgust for any man that is uglier than they are. It's nature ensuring that she won't mate with him. Socially, she'll often try to shame him back into place as a way to enforce a social order, or expectations of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 02:54 PM
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You are basically confirming the old 80/20 rule that is on PPD and TRP. Nobody is shocked, or they shouldn't be. It's how nature has worked since forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 02:36 PM
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"never stopping" doesn't have to be only professional and financial. I doubt you'll "dong nothing" for long. Like you said, you'll fix old things, hunt, grow, etc... those are the personal goals that we all need to pursue to have fulfillment. You'd like to make out to be some material capitalist. I'm not, and if your goals are more spiritual, that falls under 'personal', in my view and personal goals are as important as any other. You may feel the need to push back on my basic prescription but y…
/r/MGTOW201/06/20 02:28 PM
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Yes.......I think. LOL. The way you posed the question has me thinking but that's the gist of - I would say. I'm sure it's flawed on some level, these are generalizations, of course. Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 11:33 PM
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On my days off, I wake up, work out, have a healthy meal, weed my garden, do what needs to be done around the house, read, play with my dog, play some video games, meditate, etc. You answered your own question. How did you come to own a house? Have a garden to tend to, a dog to take care of that makes you happy, enough money to buy video games that you like, to find meditation as a way to keep balance. You're not lazy, obviously. And yes, success looks different for every person, but like it or …
/r/MGTOW229/05/20 11:29 PM
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So you succeeded in spite of yourself, that's great. It's still better to have the right motivations, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 11:20 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 11:19 PM
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There's bs in every relationship, including with friends. Not as much and it's dealt with differently, but it's part of being a social animal. With women I do serial monogamy. I don't live with anyone and will never marry anyone, and pretty much have relationships on my own terms. So if the bs is just too much, I hold to my established boundaries, and it if threatens those, then I shut everything down. It's not that big of a deal. If people know what you're not willing to put up with, and know w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 04:56 PM
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It sounds like in general a minority on both sides is having most or at lest half of the sex. Which is the point of the 80/20 rule despite the numbers not being exactly 80/20. And the reason that the numbers for women are not really paid attention to that often is because there is an assumption that it's by choice. Most women can have sex whenever they want, so the number is less interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 04:51 PM
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Is it really a shitload of men in the manosphere, or is that your impression. Most people are not sadistic and would push for continued suffering on the part of another human being. Even in the manosphere, IMO. Yes, there are haters, but man, I just don't think they make up a very large portion. At least I hope not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 04:40 PM
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This.
/r/MGTOW229/05/20 03:01 PM
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Sorry, I was speaking for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 03:00 PM
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Then why do they expend as much energy as they do attacking single mothers? I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 02:59 PM
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This is boring to me, sorry. Good for you for improving yourself but you did it for the wrong reason, women. You do it because it's the right thing to do and you never stop. It's the key to happiness and fulfillment, self confidence, self worth, etc... Getting other people to like you is nice too, but that shouldn't be the goal. I'm glad that you found success there, but IMO you need larger ideas, larger goals. Sounds like you're on your way, but I would caution any man making improvements for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 02:57 PM
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I don't think that the manosphere wants single mothers to suffer more for anything. I just think that the manosphere largely agrees on not dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 02:45 PM
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Because it is the best life, not doing that would be unfulfilling and lead to low self worth, depression, etc....
/r/MGTOW229/05/20 02:13 PM
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Well, first of all, yes, women under report by a large margin. There is an adage I've heard repeated often, from where it originated I'm not sure, but it basically says that whatever number a woman tells you, multiply it by 3 and that's more like it. So if the number is off by two thirds, I would qualify that as a large margin. Secondly, my take is that women are in the 'past doesn't matter' camp because 1, if they want sex they can get it any time, so it's no big deal, and 2, if they get pregna…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 11:39 PM
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MGTOW should be absent extreme emotion and should be analytical, pragmatic, logical, stoic. MGTOW should be focused on achieving goals - personal, professional, physical, financial, mental and emotional, and be striving to be a better version of themselves in these areas each and every day. The pursuit of excellence should be relentless. By virtue of that MGTOW look upon society and female nature as if they were both specimens in a petri dish. Observe, learn, and adjust to that behavior, but do …
/r/MGTOW228/05/20 07:34 PM
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Great post. MGTOW should be men of action focused on achieving goals and never stopping.
/r/MGTOW228/05/20 07:06 PM
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I think that life is hard for everyone and that very few people live life on easy mode, unless you're born into wealth. It's definitely all about class in western society, not gender. That said, I agree that there are advantages and disadvantages associated with each gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:26 PM
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Sorry, my time is important to me. I find success without dating apps. If it works for you then have at it. But for most men it's a waste of time, as was demonstrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 03:03 PM
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In Sweden they took the concept to a new level when they decided to just snow plow for women based on what you're saying. It didn't work out so well. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gender-equal-snow-removal-procedures-left-stockholm-paralyzed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 03:00 PM
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Symbolic. They knew it wouldn't go anywhere. And historically it's not what they've advocated for, they don't want women to go either, so they primarily advocate for no draft at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:53 PM
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Great post. And I agree, it's the intense for on girls that the boys see and understand. The girls are important, and boys are not. That's what gets internalized. It's not that teachers will be mean or anything, it's a subtler message that the boys start to understand over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:51 PM
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I think there is a lot of truth to what you say. School, in particular, is where boys are failing at a high level. Often boys can't sit for long periods and be quiet, etc.... School has become a place run by mostly women for the benefit of girls. Boys understand early on that they are not good students, comparatively. You look at any school and the top student giving the graduation speech will be a girl. The messaging is clear to boys, they 'ain't shit' as you say. They internalize it, and a muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:42 PM
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I don't think that women on tinder are worth extra anything until you get to know them. You're making an assumption there. Most women are not worth the extra effort to most men. There are a whole host of other factors that make a good match that would determine that. Requiring men to go through a gauntlet before even talking to them is cruel and narcissistic. If there are so many other men already interested and willing to date, then she shouldn't have matched with so many in the first place tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 02:09 PM
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Your argument is premised on the understanding that an individual woman may be an exception to what TRP is saying about women/female behavior in the aggregate. So while it's well thought out, it doesn't, in my mind, invalidate what TRP identifies in the aggregate. So it's still useful, but yes, an individual can have a headache. That said, I do agree that a lot TRP does seem hateful. There seems to be a resentment from many authors toward women, in general, as well, which comprises the rigid/nar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 09:19 PM
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I guess it depends. When I was there I didn't notice that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 09:04 PM
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No. Manipulating anyone on any level is mean and wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 09:00 PM
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She was being nice, IMO. In that she wasn't being mean. And why should she do more than what she did? By virtue of swiping on the guy the woman has presumably expressed interest. Why should she expect more until they start to talk and get to know each other? This is definitely the difference in expectation between men and women on the app, in my mind. For men, it's just a waste of time because for women, it's mostly an ego stroking app. They have no intention of meeting anyone, most of the time.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 08:56 PM
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Now that is a good use for Tinder. I never thought of using it for that. Good on you! I might do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 08:46 PM
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Probability, very high. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 08:45 PM
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Nobody asked for the lesson and the 'probability' that someone cares is also very low. It's a non sequitur that exists for its own sake, or that of the writer's. I hope it's working for him. I doubt anyone's impressed, except for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 05:54 PM
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I think it's an anecdote to demonstrate a point but is not something that the reader is expected to take literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 05:49 PM
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Rollo?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 05:47 PM
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I haven't blocked because it is an ego boast when a guy does come back... but maybe i should. That's more petty than blocking someone, IMO. So yes, block them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 05:45 PM
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Amen to that.
/r/MGTOW227/05/20 05:42 PM
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Awesome post. Thank you for sharing. Every guy needs to see this.
/r/MGTOW227/05/20 05:42 PM
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Interesting. I've never used a dating app and never will. Thanks for confirming.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 05:32 PM
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This comment added ZERO to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 04:56 PM
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Saw that video a few days ago. It's a good reason for men to not use OLD at all. It's a huge time suck without enough benefit to justify participating. And, of course, as you say, it turns women into worse versions of themselves. When I watched the video one thought crossed my mind. Being nice, like she was, got minimal response or nothing at all. I wondered whether or not the men on the app deploy more extreme language, over time, to get ANY response. It's [edit not a] justification for terribl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 04:39 PM
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If you live together then in most states, after a certain time, you're considered married and marriage laws would still govern the dissolution of the relationship, if necessary. I understand your view but I personally would not move in with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 08:58 PM
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Great post. Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:57 PM
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I agree. Marriage is a raw deal for everyone. Couples should never get married and actually, ideally, shouldn't live together either. Anything happens, it's easier for both parties to walk away. And let's face it, for 99% of a person's relationships, something will happen and both parties will need to bolt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:56 PM
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I make up part of the 35.5% MGTOW. Guilty as charged. I've made that clear though from my comments, in the interest of full disclosure. Edit: And what is gendercritical about?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:48 PM
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For example, feminists are the ones who lobbied the FBI to change the definition of rape to include men. Well, as long as their perpetrators are other men. Let's not pretend that the feminists changed that law with men in mind, or they would have included 'made to penetrate' or 'envelop-ment' as part of the definition. They specifically only wanted penetration as part of the definition so as to make sure that women could never be convicted of 'rape' under the federal guideline and that only men …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 07:38 PM
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All serious issues, most of which have been addressed from a policy perspective on some level in most free societies. Enforcement is always an issue but there have been strides addressing a lot of the grievances that women have had over the last 60 years. Still more to be done. On the other side of the fence, men also have issues that, in large part, have not been recognized because the belief is that men have everything already and therefor don't need help. But when they actually do - meh, nobo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:47 PM
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Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:26 PM
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Yeah, hate is too strong of a word and needs to be reserved for a particular individual who has personally done wrong to you, something that was egregious. So, it's for a person and not a group, and even then, harboring hate just makes it worse for yourself, so not worth it. Likewise, 'negative feelings' toward someone/s based on their group identity is a form of bigotry that goes right up to the threshold of 'hate.' I really don't think that's appropriate either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:25 PM
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That guy is not ugly. He's on par with my own looks. Maybe there are other factors out of his control, but if he is staying in and cruising the internet instead of getting out and making something of himself then it's on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:22 PM
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Maybe it's different on college campuses because women outnumber men by a good number in that environment. Sometimes as much as 2 to 1. But statistically, if there are more men on dating apps, it means that women are getting approached enough to not need the app, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 04:43 PM
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I think that blaming others, like parents, is lazy. You managed, they can too. Whether it's by using the Red Pill or by just growing up and taking responsibility for things in life and figuring them out. Nobody's life is perfect. We all have to work on ourselves. Incels just don't want to do that. That's on them, not their parents, their friends, family, whatever. It's on them. I just don't have sympathy for people who give up and basically tell themselves that there's nothing they can do to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 04:33 PM
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It's shitty to manipulate people, which was my point, no matter how it's done.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 03:50 PM
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Society has bent itself over backward to respond to women's needs since the sixties. During that time, in large part, the problems that men and boys face have largely been ignored. In fact society generally despises and/or shames men who have problems. There was no real outlet for men as well. Therapy is really an industry run by primarily women for the benefit of women so it never really served the needs of men. Enter the internet, something that men understand and utilize heavily, and platform…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 04:56 PM
3

Complete college or certification for your chosen vocational skill and then get on with your goals. Have personal goals set out, like buy a house, have decent car, savings, etc.. Professional goals, what you want to achieve in your field and relentlessly pursue those as your career develops and you increase your expertise. Have financial and physical goals mapped out and dedicate yourself to them as well. Become independent and successful in all these areas first and foremost as you go through y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 04:23 PM
1

LOL. That's weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 04:04 PM
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It's been happening since the sixties. Worse with every generation to the point that marriage is not really an option any more. Nobody sees the value of it, MGTOW is a natural response, actually.
/r/MGTOW220/05/20 07:46 PM
2

Amen to that!
/r/MGTOW220/05/20 07:41 PM
1

Nice rant. It seems like we see a post like this at least once a week. The basic answer is that men shouldn't care at all what women do. TRP is all about understanding female nature as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 06:26 PM
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As I don't think marriage is a viable option that anyone should enter into, I'm indifferent to the issue. Everyone should keep their names. Male, CA
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 06:23 PM
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This is too reasonable and not something that feminists in general believe. Feminists definitely have over-corrected in their push back on society but instead of recognizing it like you have, they're doubling down, which is just making this world miserable for everyone. As a result, more men are withdrawing, more are MGTOW and RP, and rightly so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:54 PM
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"I get to comfort him and help him but I still get to manipulate him with gender stereotypes when it serves my purposes." Classy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:36 PM
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Men definitely should not be a BetaBux because of your last point. They're just with someone who is using and manipulating them and as you say, 'doing what she has to.' But I'm not one that advises that women should change whatever their behavior is. I don't advocate that others have to change in order for some RP utopia to exist. Everyone should make their own choices regardless of what other people think that they should do. Women should date whomever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:30 PM
1

Amen to that!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:16 PM
2

I had a little bit of that but I was always pretty social and grew to feel more comfortable saying what came to mind in the moment - on my own. The only thing that RP did was make me not care what anyone's reaction was. I wasn't afraid of saying the wrong thing any more, which I guess is the other side of it. Life is a lot easier when you no longer worry about what other people think. You may care, but ultimately it's their issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:10 PM
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I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 08:36 PM
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My point still stands. That said, yes, both parents are obligated to comply with the custody agreement. And a lot of what happens is dictated by the primary custodian. There are many cases where the the primary custodian circumvents the agreement and makes it harder for the secondary custodian to see the child. So the question is really about how many of that 22% are allowed to see the child more than that but don't, how many have no rights and are prohibited from seeing the children at all, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 07:18 PM
1

Is 27% of men who don't live with their children 'most men?'. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:04 PM
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True, in fact I WAS banned from r/MGTOW because they promote hate on that sub a lot and I'm not okay with that. Same with FDS, they auto-ban for being in TRP or MGTOW, MGTOW2, etc.... so they are actually kind of worse. r/MGTOW2 is ok and specifically moderates hate messages. It's really the better sub for what I would consider true MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 09:41 PM
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Yeah, I stopped listening to Sandman and TFM because of exactly what you're saying. MGTOW is not about hate, it's about making smart decisions for your own life because you understand how the world operates, as well as female nature. Not to hate women, but to understand what will guide their choices so you know what to expect. So I stopped. I have better uses of my time than listening to rants base on deep seated hatred. TRP and MGTOW will get better when men let go of hate and anger and just li…
/r/MGTOW218/05/20 08:02 PM
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Awesome post. Congrats, dude. All the best to you.
/r/MGTOW218/05/20 07:57 PM
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I think that if someone did not of a term that it is highly likely that they would google it. It's what I do. Yes, the Matrix was popular, but that doesn't mean that RP/BP automatically makes people remember a movie device from 20+ years ago. If they were even alive back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 07:53 PM
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Yes, TRP is a response to female nature and TRP was way overdue. That said, as a MGTOW it's really society and it's gynocentric laws that inform my choices. PPD is one place to debate personal choices of men and women without being banned like on FDS, or quarantined like TRP. Feminism, with it's good intentions, went way too far demonizing men/fathers in divorce and family courts. Add in workplace law like #MeToo, unbalanced DV law where even if it's the male that is a victim he's still the one …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 07:49 PM
1

That is terrible and I don't think that is representative of 'most' men, like, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 07:19 PM
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My mistake, but actually the notion still stands. Most men don't get any attention on these apps, while most women do. So the populations are still apples to oranges, so to speak. I still would maintain that the men are filtered and the women are not. The fact that there are more men in the study is probably down to the fact that more men are on these apps than women to begin with. I think I saw a breakdown of somewhere between 60/40 to 70/30 men to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 06:00 PM
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It's mostly men that are forced into parenthood against their will, so it naturally follows that more men are less committed to supporting them. If women don't want children, they get an abortion or use plan B. Men should have the same reproductive rights that women do and should have the right to Legal Paternal Surrender. If that were an option, a higher percentage of fathers would display an active interest. And it's wrong to say that men don't care about their children anyway. There are a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 05:56 PM
1

Depends. After seeing the tweet do you think most people will google 'The Matrix' or 'The Red Pill?'
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 05:45 PM
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So there are 2000 less man than women, which is probably because less men get attention from women to begin with. So the men that do make up the population in the study is a filtered group comprising the most desirable men, whereas most women are contacted so the population of women in the study is more representative of female behavior, whereas the population of men in the study is only slightly representative of men on the app. So the assumptions applied to men are less reliable than assumptio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 05:36 PM
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Agree and disagree. Yes, extremist content gets the sound bite so everyone gravitates toward it whether the believe in that content or not. But within the content are the truths that everything is based on. TRP/MGTOW/BP, etc... are based on generalizations that can be identified and planned around. We can read about female nature from TRP or Rollo, for instance, and form a basis for how we make decisions in our own life. So if everybody is doing it right, we're seeing the extremist content but f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 04:34 PM
1

Doesn't sound like you hang out with very good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 04:28 PM
1

Nevertheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 04:26 PM
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I don't treat anyone shitty so I don't condone shitty behavior by others. Manipulating people is shitty so I don't understand why you would promote that. I hold men to the same standard. And let's not pretend that shitty behavior only initiates in men and that female shitty behavior is only a response to that, and therefore justified. That is juvenile.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 03:52 PM
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The trend seems to be from the responses that women generally prefer men with low n counts. It seems hypocritical to shame men who prefer the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 03:17 PM
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The incel community does not represent 'men.' And women like sex too, so I'm told.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 02:45 PM
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With women I've had a history with who suddenly show interest when they wouldn't give me the time of day in the past, yes. I wouldn't hold other women in contempt but I wouldn't trust them either. It's not you they love, but what you can do for them. Otherwise they would have been interested in you when you weren't successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 02:37 PM
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If we are all okay with being shitty to each other then hey, knock yourself out. You reap what you sow.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 02:34 PM
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That's the mistake that most people make. Getting married or staying together 'for the children.' I mean, I get it, and that made sense in the past, but it's not a compelling enough reason any more. But I don't want kids, so there's that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 02:33 PM
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'you guys?' Not sure who you think I am, but no, manipulating anyone on any level is bad, unless you're a sociopath and just don't care about people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 11:16 PM
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Well, FDS is primarily a hate sub, so I don't read it much. Why are there so many posts about FDS anyway? Should we now consider FDS as part of the pill community?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 07:19 PM
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"Women should decide en masse to stop having casual sex, it's usually a bad deal. Also, a decline in casual sex will force men to stop fucking around and start making some real effort." So we finally get to the crux. Women, en masse, should use sex, or lack thereof, to manipulate male behavior. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 07:17 PM
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Women get attention way more than men, they just don't need an app that gives them more attention, often unwanted attention, or so they say. I've seen some articles that say that women don't even use Tinder for hooking up or dating, they can do that as well without an app, they just use it to feed their egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 07:14 PM
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The "just be yourself" argument. Sigh. Sorry but if one strove to be better personally, professionally, financially, physically, etc... then they are STILL themselves. It's not about getting laid, that's a side benefit and should never be the single purpose for doing anything. Everyone should be improving every day, because being stagnant is worse than striving and thriving. But even so, even if guys improved themselves so that they were more attractive to women for the sake of getting laid, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 04:50 PM
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Nope, and I really don't think most men would care. For men, porn use is natural in that it just makes sense. I would think most men would see it as normal if the wife/gf used porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 04:44 PM
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LOL. Love this. You're the exception, but this was great.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 04:42 PM
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It's a chicken/egg situation. Both people have to be invested. The best thing is to never get married. That keeps both parties invested because they can't take each other for granted. They both know that the other can walk away at any time. Marriage is an antiquated institution that served its purpose but is no longer necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 04:35 PM
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What does it matter? If the marriage is dead in the bedroom then I don't blame anyone for jerking off to porn. All this says to me is if couples don't want to use porn then they should get it on more. If not, well, then individuals make their own choices when it comes to taking care of their needs no matter what the potential consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 04:33 PM
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There are so many dislikes on that video. I hope she got the message about HER message.
/r/MGTOW214/05/20 02:43 PM
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When I was 18, yes. And god bless sluts. I LOVED sluts. But contrary to your belief, men do want relationships as well. So when you've had sex and realize that it's no big deal, then everything else becomes more of a priority. Yeah, you still want sex, but you don't worship at that alter as if it's the only thing that has any worth. So if that's all you've learned about men, keep at it, you've got a ways to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 11:17 PM
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It is evolution, IMO. Men want to know that a kid is theirs and n count increases the likelihood that it's not. So for LTRs, marriages, and family, it's a crude indicator of future behavior. No man wants to commit his time, energy, and resources to a child that's not his. Now, as a MGTOW, it completely doesn't matter to me. But for men who want families, data shows that if a woman has had more than 10 sexual partners before marriage, the probability of divorce goes up significantly. So knowing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 07:40 PM
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As a means of survival, like I said. Maybe male models catch break, but as a practical matter, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 07:31 PM
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"They are stuck between a rock and a hard place." And yet most would never change their situation with men because they enjoy a lot of perks too. Nobody's life is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 07:29 PM
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ok, yeah. I think I've heard them called 'grass eaters'
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 07:24 PM
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As a thought experiment, maybe. But it would depend whether or not the specific relationship could handle it. If either party does not like what the other is doing, then the relationship should end because one person, or both, are not willing to change in order to save the relationship. I think that that the analogy is flawed because men use porn as a masturbation device, like a woman uses a dildo. But a lot of women don't need dildos the way that most men use porn. Furthermore, camwhoring is pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 06:04 PM
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I hadn't considered that. I suppose it would less of a desire to masturbate as well. And what is hikkikomori? I don't know if I want to google that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 05:55 PM
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Not 'typically', there is no breakdown that I'm aware of that I can speak from. There are many young, unmarried MGTOW that have learned from the experiences of their fathers, uncles, etc.... I've never been married but date in a fairly traditional, serial monogamy, kind of way. Everyone is different. Basically, assuming MGTOW is anything is most likely wrong, until people survey that group and get a demographic breakdown. But I definitely agree with you last, that's probably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 05:53 PM
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Again, there's no deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 05:49 PM
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Yeah, conflating MGTOW with incels or 'guys who don't fuck' is ignorant. Some don't, most do. In fact, a lot of guys are MGTOW because they had no problem getting women, got married, and then got divorced raped. They had enough going for them that women choose them, and marry them. MGTOW are not frustrated men pining for female attention, their men that are making logical decisions that mitigate the impact that society has on them. They make decisions in their life regarding women, of course, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:56 PM
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You can have long term commitment without marriage or living together. People do it all of the time. Still, people who've been together a long time, still break up, even if they got married. There are no guarantees. If you're looking for a guarantee, good luck. I'm always been honest about my intentions. And there are plenty of women who've told me that they aren't interested in marriage, so it's not something that just men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:52 PM
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Good point, actually. I'd still like to see what the impact would be though, could be fun to watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:48 PM
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I'm MGTOW, and I've never been happier or more successful. Not only with women but in my personal and professional life. But I agree with snusk that low sex drive wouldn't necessarily translate to success in other areas. That's a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:47 PM
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I'm not interested in laying blame. But understanding female nature is what TRP is all about. It's just reality, and based on that reality, I recommend that men don't buy into the BS and instead make the most advantageous decisions that they can for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:45 PM
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Some men are salty. But most of the strides society has made for women are the result of men acting in accordance with what women have demanded. So most men agreed with the egalitarian strides that western society has made for the benefit of women. But yes, there is always some extreme minority that will be butt-hurt about it. That's their issue. I think most men would be against regressive policies aimed at putting women back in homes. Hell, it basically takes two incomes to survive any more, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:43 PM
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The misandry displayed on that sub is pretty extreme. I know women always say that TRP and other manosphere subs show how much men hate women, but it's clear that when it comes to hate, it's not a gender thing, it's a human thing, and women are just as likely as anyone else. I think it started during second wave feminism. That's when hate for men was trendy. SCUM was around that time, I think, and that's when Dworkin and Mackinnon purveyed in hate. There was some push back in the day, but societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:37 PM
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There is no manipulation, it's just two people having a relationship. When the relationship comes to a natural end, they each go their separate ways. I'm friends with all of my ex gfs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:26 PM
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My point, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:25 PM
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I kind of like the idea of men having no, or very low, sex drive. Once sex is off the agenda then they can get on with things that matter in their lives. I'm not really concerned with the continuation of the species, although not a nihilist either, but I'd love to see how the absence of sex drive in young males would change society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:14 PM
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'Then' key word. The question is how long that takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 04:03 PM
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There was an article on this in Feb: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/if-you-want-marriage-equals-then-date-equals/606568/ Even feminist women wanted old fashioned men who were chivalrous. Decent article without bias and good info for men and women. The thing is, it basically means what I've always said. Women want to have the freedom to do whatever they want, but they definitely don't want men to deviate from the old fashioned and very rigid gender roles of our fathers and gran…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 03:01 PM
2

yeah, that's basically how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:40 PM
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Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:30 PM
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'The Wall' for men is interesting, since you brought it up. I'd surmise that men hit the wall when they are born (Ok Cupid survey kind of proves that). Men, generally speaking, are invisible and don't live their lives extracting benefits from people or showing value through their looks. Men are utilities and are seen as such by women and society. So the wall doesn't really apply to men because for most men, looking good is not part of their mindset and will never be a means of survival. The reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:17 PM
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He may be, or he may just not be into you enough to commit to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:01 PM
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I've seen data supporting his assertion in the past, but I don't care enough to make his case for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:00 PM
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The aggregate is huge, actually, as even a slight difference in the macro numbers represents tons of work being put in by one party that is enough to move the number. So that equates to a good number households where the difference is extreme, so his question still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 12:16 AM
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The point is to live your life on your own terms and to mitigate risks that society poses because you are a man. This means making key decisions around marriage, living together, workplace law (MeToo), Title IX (College Tribunals), DV law, etc... It means having goals identified in key areas of life, mainly: personal, professional, financial, physical, mental, and emotional, among others, and pursuing those goals before anyone or anything. To always put yourself and your own needs first with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 12:14 AM
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No, is my answer to that. But in the aggregate men actually do work more paid hours than women, so his question still stands for all of the households where the men are putting in so many more hours at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 11:56 PM
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Taylor = 9 (need to see the rest of her though) Monica = 9 (Need to see all of her though) B.B = Looks like a man, but as a wo/man maybe a 6.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 11:53 PM
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As a serial monogamist I will certainly do so. Been in many relationships and have been in my current one for quite a while. You would never know it if you met me, which is the point actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 11:48 PM
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As a MGTOW, I'm the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 07:31 PM
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All the more reason for TRP and MGTOW. Everyone is basically a disposable to everyone else these days. It's not worth getting too invested over anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 05:37 PM
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Then that's what they should do. I'm betting a lot won't, though. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 05:29 PM
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Yes, but do the guy a favor and don't even suggest it, is my opinion. Have some integrity and don't use other people, even if they are ok with being used. As time goes on, they're likely to resent you in the long term. They should do everyone a favor and deal with their own responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 05:25 PM
1

Well, FDS is hateful. So if one form of hate is banned then all forms should be. Violence need not be a criteria. All hate subs are not a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 05:22 PM
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Yeah, that sucks and I understand the pressure they're under, but that's not a third party's problem. It needs to be worked out between the two people that brought a human into the world. But yes, I certainly get why women do what they do in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 05:18 PM
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The college scene is not a microcosm of society, so yes, anecdote only. In fact, it's the worst place for women to date since they outnumber men almost 2 to 1 on campus, so it makes sense for women to concentrate on their studies rather than relationships during this period.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:30 PM
1

Who thought that? You are just imagining things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:24 PM
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The thing about FDS is that it's focused on making high value males treat you like a queen and then how to get a LTR/Marriage out of that male. But the numbers don't add up. The high value male is rare. Which means FDS is focused on the very same subset of males. When the numbers work in the favor of the very few males that are desirable, there is no incentive for them to 'behave' or to settle for a 'queen' over say, a harem. So while some FDS women may actually achieve what they want, most wont…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:14 PM
2

Proving my point. Thanks for building that wall a little higher. You go, girl!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:08 PM
1

LOL, that is probably true. I would mean a failure on so many levels that society probably would fold in on itself and be ripe for takeover.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:06 PM
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Not so on so many level that it's not really worth getting into. I will say though, that TRP was a response to feminism and a society that was completely willing to go gynocentric under the pressure of the feminist lobby. I would say that MGTOW was born out of TRP as well since we all saw that nobody cared about the MRA/MRM. Yes, men do have problems, the biggest being that society does not care about male problems and so no problems that males have will never be addressed, men will only be sham…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 07:34 PM
2

I don't begrudge people choosing who to have sex with, that's personal thing. Do what you have to do. What I don't like is having a baby with that person and then using some simp for his resources because you couldn't nail down the LTR with the ONS. Don't use people who you don't love for their money and assets. It's shallow, manipulative, and morally bankrupt. Go after whomever got you pregnant and leave it that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 07:18 PM
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True, but fortunately less BB males are as desperate as before, so for women, some of them won't be able to carry out their plan. Still plenty of thirsty men, but just like in musical chairs, someone is going to have to go it alone when they hit their mid thirties and haven't found anyone to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 04:29 PM
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Yes, there is not really a platform for men to say what they really think, for the most part. Male rhetoric inevitably gets censored somehow while female rhetoric is widely accepted. Which is why FDS isn't quarantined but other manosphere subs are (i.e. TRP, MGTOW, incel groups, etc......)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 04:20 PM
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lol. Yes, if the sexual attention is wanted by the woman, then everything is ok and the rules don't apply. Clear as mud?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 04:13 PM
1

"If you grow up being bombarded by male sexual attention, don't you see why some women will become resentful of men?" They absolutely should be resentful of those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 03:03 PM
1

And too many simps are like, "okay" Idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 02:58 PM
3

FDS is a hate sub and sorry, it's not as refined as you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 02:53 PM
2

Absolutely nothing wrong with video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 02:48 PM
2

No woman would attracted to that. It's not what you really want. Be careful what you wish for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 09:28 PM
1

Uhm, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 08:54 PM
1

He just said that so he could have a bs excuse to shoot the guy. He wasn't defending anyone's honor, IMO. But if anyone truly f'd with family, I can see doing something like that. If you don't understand protecting family, not for honor, but because it needs to be done, then I don't know what to tell you. It's not bullshit, it's what kept families alive throughout history. Maybe women just default to the victor, I wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 08:46 PM
2

Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 05:46 PM
1

LOL. Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 02:43 PM
3

I can't imagine anyone thinking that incels invented 'going postal' but I can understand why a black-pilled, extreme nihilist would do something like that. It's basically the definition of the Black Pill. And what's really morbid is that even in death they become heroes to their community. Apparently being notorious for committing evil deeds is better than being invisible (which is what I assume they think they are).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 02:24 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 02:09 PM
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If it were real then she may be a 10/10 but the dudes wouldn't. If a dude is that good looking then he is the prize and would not be one of many vying for one woman's attention. A more accurate depiction would be a bunch of thirsty betas that don't mind each others' presence because they're willing to wait for 'their turn' and share.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 05:28 PM
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I think everyone is pretty clear that in your world view it's always men that are the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 05:02 PM
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Holds up well, and the analogy is a good one. No doubt the reason why it has lasted all these years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 08:31 PM
1

This, exactly. Always be honest and transparent and let the chips fall where they may.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 07:57 PM
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The focus on self has to be the priority. If you aren't happy with who you are and can take care of yourself you can't be responsible to and for others. Everyone needs to start with their self, their own goals and priorities. If not then yeah, the world will suck for all of us. But I think you have it backward. And focus on one's own goals and aspirations is not sociopathic, it's common sense, pragmatic, and totally logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 05:43 PM
1

Who are these people? I've not seen one thread about civil war. Is this really a thing on PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 05:32 PM
2

MGTOW is the best choice for men, that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 05:29 PM
1

She definitely hates men and I disagree with her on most things but it's better to go with civility. That said, this made me laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 05:28 PM
1

So you don't want to shoot fat-asses? You sure sound like you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 05:19 PM
1

Yeah, it's basically bachelorhood with specific guidelines.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 05:15 PM
1

It's basically being a bachelor and making decisions in life that best benefit yourself and to achieve best outcomes. I date women in a serial monogamy fashion. I just don't marry anyone or move in with them, among other things. It's not about staying away from women or hating them, at least, not for me. I only know what it is for myself but it should apply to any man, I don't see why gay men should be excluded. There are extremists and haters in every group, you just have to ignore those people…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 05:14 PM
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As a MGTOW I live alone but practice serial monogamy. We all need contact and intimacy, I just don't formalize the relationship and create legal jeopardy through marriage. MGTOW is about making the best decisions for your own best possible outcomes. It's not about hating women. It's just about having goals in all aspects of life, personal, professional, physical, financial, emotional, mental, and prioritizing those goals before anything or anyone else. As you succeed in these areas, you become h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 03:01 PM
1

lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:43 PM
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As a MGTOW I agree with this. I'm happier than I've ever been in my life. That's what MGTOW is about. The ignorance on this sub is astounding. 1 up-vote from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:42 PM
2

Sounds like somebody got to you. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:37 PM
1

I'm not wanting to shoot anyone. Take it up with OP. He's the one fantasizing shooting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:35 PM
1

Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:34 PM
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Nope, but whatever dude. Enjoy your fantasy. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:33 PM
2

Well, they're crazy then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:18 PM
1

I forget nothing. But it seems like you all think that such a hypothetical fight would be a walk in the park.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:17 PM
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I'm assuming nothing. You seem to be assuming that all of your enemies are fat and out of shape, and can't shoot. Good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:16 PM
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You go first. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 07:15 PM
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I guess you better hope that they're all 'fat fuckers' because a "strongest baddest motherfucker" will go down just as easily as anyone else when he gets a bullet through the heart. Modern weaponry is the great equalizer. Ugly guys can shoot too. In fact we've been making them cannon fodder throughout history, so they're pretty good at it. Be careful what YOU wish for. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 05:56 PM
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So I'm not sure why anyone would want to change your view. TRP is about understanding reality and reacting to it in a way that's beneficial. Nowhere is anyone saying that people should change their preferences. At least that I'm aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 05:52 PM
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As I am part of other subs that FDS has prejudged, I'm not allowed in that sub. And I'm not a passive observer. It's a hate sub that may present as women 'just being honest' and if that were the case then I'd have no problem. But it's straight out bigoted, so in that regard they should be quarantined like other subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 05:49 PM
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"Also, a hypothetical scenario I came up with was what if a man stumbled across the Red Pill only after marriage?" This. I'm willing to give most older men that are married a pass on MGTOW cred. The philosophy/lifestyle is relatively new and not widely adopted or that well known. It is an awakening though, for those that MGTOW resonates with. And men inside of marriages can definitely confirm what is being talked about on this sub. So I guess I don't mind. And as for younger men, some still beli…
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 08:23 PM
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Pass. I have female and male friends. It's easier to make make and cultivate male friendships. So while eliminating half the population on the surface sounds foolish, it's actually smart to focus where you're likely to have the most success making friends. Yes, you may not meet her friends if you don't have friends that are women, but that's just a 'what-if' hypothetical. And guys know of women too. If a woman and I click and we can be friends on a platonic level without being attracted to each …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 04:57 PM
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Female in-group preference is definitely alive and well. They'll be catty and bitchy to each other on one level, but add a man to the scenario and they'll both align and destroy. That's a little extreme but that is the basic principle. That said, male groups, I've have found, are very tight, loyal, and extremely funny. Hanging out with the dudes is the best time ever spent. So on some level some groups of men stop competing, a little, they're always competing and not for women necessarily, just …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 04:34 PM
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In previous generations I think that men were looking for someone to settle down with, and that worked for society. Now, marriage in particular is a raw deal on many levels for both men and women, but especially men. As the majority of relationships end within 5 or so years, it's absolutely the best choice to be looking at relationships as temporary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 04:20 PM
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I doubt most young dudes are marketing much. My friend's wife has two boys, 16 and 18. They and their friends hardly leave the house. They meet online, game, and socialize. There are very few females that join, although some do. The older one had a girlfriend briefly but it wasn't too serious. They don't seem interested in relationships. Maybe they understand the dynamic all too well. If they are all competing with the top 10-20 percent of guys on an app, no amount of marketing is going to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 04:17 PM
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I mostly agree, however one aspect that is still residual in our society is women dating more mature men. Sometimes 4-8 years older than themselves. Men, not as much. So I can see how a young man who wanted to date someone his age at 16-20 but the girls he was interested in wanted to date someone 21-25 depending on how old they are themselves, then I can see why he'd be less likely to want to date that same girl when suddenly she sees his potential realized and thinks he'd still be interested. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 04:06 PM
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LOL, sure. I'm MGTOW right now and I've been dating my whole adult life. So..........ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 03:54 PM
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And I didn't say that it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 11:04 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 11:01 PM
1

Yep. Totally agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 10:59 PM
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The other side of that coin is that girls can't really love at all. Neither is true because there are always exceptions. But in the aggregate I think one is better than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 10:58 PM
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Yeah, that wouldn't be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 08:16 PM
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I have lots of friends that I meet with over different activities. After work golf, hockey, softball, and regular poker nights, bowling. Each group is different with a lot of crossover. We joke and support each other as friends and all activities are male exclusive. I have female friends as well but meet up with them individually. That said, if I'm dating someone I'm not looking for another friend. Sure, we'll BE friends and listen to each other, but I HAVE friends, so that's not the primary mot…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 07:43 PM
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And yet it has been theorized that it is only men that can truly love a person for who they are while women only love men based on what men can do for them. Most men would not care if a woman was a CEO or a waitress, if they loved that woman, it wouldn't matter. Whereas most women will absolutely disqualify an man lower on the SMV ladder than her. Yes these are generalities but the generalities are there because of underlying truth in the aggregate. So, individuals notwithstanding, your assertio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:15 PM
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The 80/20 rule was around long before either of the studies. It is not based on those studies. The breakdown does not have to conform perfectly to 80/20, it's there to demonstrate that the most interest is given to the top 20, or 10 percent, or whatever percent of guys. It is used to understand female reproductive strategy, which is to have sex/mate with a top 10 or 20 percent dude and to secure resources from someone in the bottom 80%. So it's for guys to understand AF/BB and to warn BB men to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 05:04 PM
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Not very compatible in that she's ready to settle down and he's entering the time in his life where he can start to sample the menu, so to speak. She has had enough varied relationships to know what she wants and doesn't want. He still needs to play the field a little. If they were compatible, it would be by random accident. He still needs to have more relationships and experience before he'd be compatible with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:42 PM
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LOL, her whole post pretty much invalidates OP assertion. From the horse's mouth, as they say. Perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 04:35 PM
1

Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:50 PM
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More reason for MGTOW to become more popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:49 PM
1

Good observation, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:47 PM
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I think that most men have the same outlook that you do. The difference is, they'd still have sex with someone much younger if the opportunity arose because from a purely evolutionary standpoint, most men are driven to impregnate the female that is healthier and younger, because that is the best chance at healthy offspring. It's just nature at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:43 PM
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Maybe it's distinction without a difference. There are men on TRP that hate women and there are women on FDS that hate men. Even if there is the concept of a 'high value man' on FDS, the whole premise of the site is misandrist and focused on extracting the most value out of that man. The premise of that concept is an unequal, subservient role that the man has to be in. So the misandry is not as transparent in FDS as the misogyny is in TRP, but there are haters in both subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:37 PM
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That's a big miss. MGTOW is not about women or sex. But I understand that's your interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 02:32 PM
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MGTOW are not incels. At least I'm not. I would say a good portion of MGTOW are MGTOW because they had no problem getting women in the first place, married, and had to go through the divorce process. Conflating MGTOW and Incel is ignorant and displays a huge misunderstanding of MGTOW in particular. I say this as a MGTOW that has primarily been a serial monogamist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:55 PM
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I think that you're right, actually. People have changed and probably not for the better. There are probably a host of factors but I think a lot of it probably has to do with social networking apps. People live for their insta accounts and their facebook persona - so much so that I sometimes wonder when I'm talking to a person whether or not I'm talking to them when they are in their online persona or the real person. The two seem to overlap so much that it can be hard to differentiate. So yes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:50 PM
1

..........and you're doing it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 07:33 PM
1

Hey, if you want to hate on them, knock yourself out.
/r/MGTOW230/04/20 07:32 PM
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Harsh answer but I'm on board with it, strangely. Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:43 PM
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Nah, I don't think like that. And in the healthcare industry is mostly women on the front line of this war. I think hospital staff is 70% or so women. So we're all in this together on this one, is mainly how I see it.
/r/MGTOW230/04/20 05:39 PM
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Those apps put people together so that they can vibe, in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:24 PM
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And if it makes them happy then they shouldn't care. I know I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:22 PM
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For women, not much. For men, a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:19 PM
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Great question. It's probably because using prostitutes is looked down on by society, at least in the US, where I am. It shouldn't be. But I don't get the validation piece, that wouldn't be a requirement for me, it's just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:17 PM
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Men are unaware of their emotions? Wow, and after all this time. SMH
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:14 PM
1

I think you're being deliberately obtuse, so, no thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:06 PM
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"Are there actually that many women who "rode the CC" without relationships and waited until their 30's to think about settling down?" My apologies for assuming that the reference "rode the CC" was NOT about women with high n counts. SMH
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:10 PM
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That number is better determined by those women themselves. Read the post and it should give you some idea. The women who responded put themselves in that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:07 PM
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In that they don't need to be married, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:05 PM
3

Getting ready for a divorce?
/r/MGTOW229/04/20 08:16 PM
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Agreed, was only referring to the marriage contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 08:14 PM
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I would agree that postponing relationships for casual sex is not the main reason, it may be part of the reason. I would think that the reason is more socioeconomic for both women and men, that they don't settle down until their 30's.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 08:14 PM
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This post is a perfect encapsulation for why marriage should no longer exist. It's simply not necessary and society is open and tolerant of people being single by choice. I don't know if it's 'the best of times' but it's certainly a good time to do away with the institution once and for all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 07:40 PM
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There is another question on this sub asking women with high n counts to describe the men they've been with in general terms. There is no shortage of women responding that have high n counts. So I suppose it depends on the woman, or you don't know your friends as well as you think you do? Just saying, because some women don't doesn't mean that others don't [insert activity here] :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 07:24 PM
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"I would be interested in seeing people's takes on this idea since I have not really seen it discussed outside of a community that unanimously agrees with the idea." Is that the local NOW chapter in your town?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:01 PM
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Not perfect, no. Nothing is perfect for anyone. But life is harder for men, generally. Society does not care about male suffering whereas it will go out of its way to address issues for women. Generally speaking. We see this from early education on, where the success of girls because they are girls is focused on intently. Ensuring success for boys is not even an afterthought and a great many boys fall by the wayside before they finish HS. Scholarships, laws, you name it, all cater to women and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:57 PM
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LOL. At least on reddit. True.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:41 PM
1

Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:35 PM
1

DDLG?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:34 PM
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I hope it keeps going down until it gets to zero. We don't need legal contracts governing our relationships any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:31 PM
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Totally agree. I'm MGTOW for myself, date women, and am friends with some. I do think that part of being MGTOW is me being on 'Team Me' as it relates to society and its expectations. I've always seen MGTOW as a response to society and its laws, not as a response to women. I make decisions based on the existential societal realities that I live under and then mitigate those real risks as best I can. It largely has nothing to do with women, other than it guides me on choices relating to women, lik…
/r/MGTOW229/04/20 05:28 PM
1

That's one assertion as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:23 PM
1

It was one take, or assertion, based on that fact to be considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:45 PM
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Here's the first one that came up on google done in 2012, there are probably more since then. Just google it. https://www.livescience.com/18233-women-lose-sexual-desire.html
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 02:35 PM
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My understanding is that Tinder is for women to stroke their own egos by getting as many matches as possible with no intent on actually dating anyone. It's about making themselves feel better when they're in a low point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 09:02 PM
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I'm not getting married for the sake of my country. Laws and society devolved enough before I came along -not my fault or problem. The best that individuals can do is understand the existential reality for themselves and make the best choice. Currently, not getting married is the best possible choice for my well being and happiness. I've never been happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 08:56 PM
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It's definitely true for a certain percentage of men. One factor that usually prevents them from acting on it though, is the divorce process, which can be hyper-punitive toward men. This is probably why most divorces are filed by women. It's not that men don't want to get divorces too, but usually staying in an unhappy marriage is better for men than going through divorce, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 08:53 PM
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Surveys/studies show that women lose attraction for their mates about twice as fast as their mates do for them. So if you factor that in, they're always looking to move, even if it doesn't have anything to do with hypergamy. That's one take, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:59 PM
1

Good thing it's not about countries but individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:50 PM
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This is why MGTOW is so liberating. When you reject society's expectations and start living for yourself and your own priorities, life becomes much more satisfying and happier. Incidently, when you start to achieve more and more success because you are focused on your own goals and achievement, higher value women take notice and want in on the action. When you have more choice, you can sample the menu and never really have to commit to anyone long term. AND, staying single keeps you out of legal…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:40 PM
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It doesn't need to be the measure, IMO, but marriage is definitely outdated and needs to be eliminated forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:23 PM
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I'd rather that there are 80% of guys being single and sexless than them being married to someone who doesn't love them. Just don't shame them if they use porn and prostitutes and everyone's happy. Sure, some of them will shoot up schools and concerts but that was happening consistently before 2020. Also, women are feeling the pinch too. If they don't get pregnant by a chad or a husband then they are resorting to buying sperm and going it alone. It's their choice but not optimal. They just need …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 11:38 PM
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Guy here, and I totally agree. I never messed around with any, and I mean, ANY, of my friend's gfs. It's just disrespectful of the the friendship. I even had one bro tell me that it was ok. I told him, 'no, it's not ok' and that I would never do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 09:18 PM
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FDS is more of a hate sub, so I still see red vs blue as more rational and relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 05:22 PM
1

He has everything that he needs and nothing that he doesn't. If that's 'white trash' then I'll take it. He has made the best choices that a man could make.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 05:18 PM
1

Not getting married is the only logical choice for men these days. He did it exactly right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 05:17 PM
1

The only advantage to having children young is that you get to be around them longer and have a better connection with them from a generational standpoint. If you wait until you're 40 then you may have more means to bring up a child, but that is not necessarily better. Mostly, children need love, not money. I have a few aunts that waited long to have children and they all say that they would have liked to have had them younger. Most were scared to have kids young, cuz who wouldn't be, but once t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 05:11 PM
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That I'm attracted to her, that she doesn't have kids, and that she's not crazy or an addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 05:03 PM
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The difference is that nobody offers you sex on the street every day of your life. Women get offered dick all the time. So they naturally have to have a filter/criteria that men have to perform to. You don't have a criteria. So it's not that their less horny, they just have more choice. But yes, most women probably don't masturbate 3 times a day. But most men don't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:59 PM
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I disagree with comments about men being superior but I do think that TRP does have valid points. The 'women are wonderful' effect is real and accepted by the mainstream, whereas what you're talking about is a minority view even within TRP, IMO. And it's not that TRP doesn't care about rape, it's that we know society does, and tries to get justice when it can, but only for women. Male rape victims get no justice, and men who are falsely accused get no justice either. Again, because women are won…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:54 PM
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I agree. Society is generally falling apart. That said, I think that men, as a group, have been the last to react to change. Women have been told to prioritize themselves and their careers over relationships and families for 50 years or so. Men and boys were ignored during this time and subsequently a high percentage of boys fall by the wayside before they can become productive members of society - educational institutions are generally not good environments for boys. With the internet, men are …
/r/MGTOW227/04/20 04:09 PM
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I think it will bring on divorces quicker, but it's possible that those relationships we're headed that way anyhow, the shelter-in-place orders just brought it on quicker. Whereas stronger relationships that we're destined to last probably still will. Finances are absolutely a factor for divorce or breakups, but strong relationships are able to navigate financial issues, so again, if the relationship was built to last, the pandemic is not going to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 11:01 PM
2

Great post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 07:29 PM
1

I think that there are a whole host of reasons for men not to commit to an LTR or marriage any more and that men of today are seeing that and making more informed decisions than ever. There have always been bachelors - by choice, but I think that the bachelor option is becoming ever more popular than it ever has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 07:23 PM
1

The fact that men have feelings too is horribly minimized in our culture. Very true. Thanks for pointing that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 07:16 PM
2

I don't know how prevalent it is but there are enough articles about women teachers, for instance, having sex with students to know that it does happen with some consistency. I've never been raped by a woman but I have been groped by them plenty of times at parties, which counts as assault now. That said, women who 'rape' use different tactics. They largely cannot overpower their victims so they use psychology and manipulation, oftentimes coupled with authority of some kind. Often the victim is …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:52 PM
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Talking about who's hot is a time honored tradition for both sexes. I've overheard women talk and honestly, they can be as much or more graphic than men. Everyone just needs to stop playing the victim card.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:37 PM
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It absolutely sounds more feminine, which I would thinks turns a lot of women off. "Keep in mind, I only write this way when Im writing a formal paper or speaking to older people who like this talk." Suggestion: don't have affectations that you put on for other people. Speak they way that conveys who you are and not what you think others may like. That is more genuine. It's possible that people are perceiving that sometimes you are trying to be someone that you are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:21 PM
1

I've not really heard it described that way. I've seen it more as, men love unconditionally and women love conditionally. Hence the Chris Rock routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:17 PM
1

Yes, men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 11:12 PM
4

I'll be over on the day you close. :)
/r/MGTOW223/04/20 11:09 PM
1

LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:54 PM
2

Keep pushing. The more you do, the less resistance you'll get over time. It's a slog but you'll get there soon enough and hopefully wonder what all of the fuss was about.
/r/MGTOW223/04/20 07:54 PM
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Awesome. Hope you get it. Nice porch to hang out on with a good whisky.
/r/MGTOW223/04/20 07:52 PM
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No, I mean, the benefits. And most of those are just 'links', meaning that their pornography use is just a symptom of those underlying issues, like loneliness, depression, etc... It's not a problem is a guy suffers from ED from excessive porn use if women have spurned him his whole life. So porn provides benefits too, for people. Where are the studies detailing the benefits?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:27 PM
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I thought the general rule was that if she gives you a number,you multiply it by 3 to get the real number. Or to get closer to the real number.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 05:45 PM
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The desire might be there but acting on that desire is waning more and more. Just not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 05:38 PM
2

But what about all of it's benefits?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 05:31 PM
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Ah, ok. I actually didn't know that title. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 05:22 PM
1

I wasn't directly quoting anyone, but sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 04:19 PM
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According to some feminists, all sex is rape. So it depends on what each woman believes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 02:41 PM
2

FDS autobans you if you're part of any of the manosphere subs like MGTOW2 or TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 02:36 PM
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That window needs to stipulate that it's from the time he finds out. A lot of men don't find out for quite a while. If there were mandatory paternity tests at birth, then every man would find out right away. But men finding out after the fact should not be penalized and should also be able to sue for any money that they were defrauded out of because of the wife malfeasance. She should be made to pay back every penny as a penalty and deterrence for other women to not commit paternity fraud in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 11:13 PM
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Which is stupid and will inevitably lead to more men choosing not to get married. Which, honestly, is fine with me but not something that I think society is planning on when enforcing these draconian laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 11:08 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 11:06 PM
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There are plenty of MGTOW that date women. You don't have to be lonely. Just don't get married, don't live with women, and live life on your own terms. Prioritize yourself. We're human though, we all need contact, good friends, a support network, etc.... Build all of those things for yourself. Have goals that cover the important aspects of life: personal, professional, physical, mental, financial (especially - you have to live and live well), emotional, spiritual. Strive toward these goals and m…
/r/MGTOW222/04/20 05:50 PM
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Yes, people should never get married, I agree. That said, I'm speaking from a behavioral standpoint. Women put it on cruise control and don't put in effort once they're in relationships either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:38 PM
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Everything you just said applies to women as well. It's not a one way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:33 PM
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We all need to care about each other and each others' problems, IMO. "As a woman, I admit; I couldn’t really care less. And I don’t think it’s unfair that I don’t......." And when men hear this their reaction is : You not caring = Me not caring. So walls go up between the sexes and there is resentment and sometimes worse. So, hooray for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:29 PM
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Great post. Mandatory paternity testing at birth should be the law. It gives men who are unwittingly not the biological father the chance to decide whether or not to spend their time and resources on children that are not theirs. The societal impact could be huge but it is largely irrelevant. Making unwitting fathers shoulder the financial burden is basically legalized fraud. Also, the true biological fathers are potentially missing out on parenthood, and it's ultimately their responsibility to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:01 PM
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Yeah, that is a hate sub. Juvenile, and focused on the wrong things - mostly women. It's better that men learn to focus on their own needs and priorities and stop hating or placing blame on others for things wrong in their lives. Nobody likes a pity party.
/r/MGTOW221/04/20 08:48 PM
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So it's his fault, got it. SMH
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:46 PM
1

The quickest, cheapest, and easiest solution. ;)
/r/MGTOW221/04/20 08:45 PM
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It's called talking to each other. If she feels neglected then she needs to tell him, not cut off sex. That's just using it as a weapon and cutting off sex just causes resentment if he doesn't know why she's doing it. She needs to be an adult as well and say what's going on, and it's not like women don't put the relationship on cruise control as well. Let's be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 05:40 PM
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Agreed, but they are often the type of men not looking for commitment because variety is the spice of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 05:34 PM
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Agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 05:32 PM
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I don't see the equivalency. Most women get the commitment they're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 05:31 PM
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Can't do the sex part with men, it just doesn't work - LOL. Maybe just pay for hookers when you need it?
/r/MGTOW221/04/20 04:34 PM
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Especially don't live with anyone. That makes it easier to break it off whenever the end of the relationship comes.
/r/MGTOW221/04/20 04:33 PM
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It's pretty much a hate sub. MGTOW is not about hating women, it's about focusing on yourself and your own goals.
/r/MGTOW221/04/20 04:28 PM
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It's not about hating women. r/MGTOW2 is the recommended sub for MGTOWs. It's about men, not women. There doesn't need to be a war between men and women for men to start living for themselves. It's time to change what men live for, time to tell young men that they don't have to do what their fathers and grandfathers did.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 04:26 PM
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Well, as a MGTOW that's my advice, and I've told that to other men. It's not a war between men and women, it's just encouraging boys and young men to let them know that they have all the tools they need and to develop skills that would allow them to succeed. It's too bad MGTOW gets a bad rep, there is a ton of good advice in r/MGTOW2 that young men should be listening to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 04:23 PM
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Which is fine, they've been told that for 60 years, the point is that it's time that we told boys the same thing, that they don't need anyone but themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 04:20 PM
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Speaking for myself as a MGTOW, that is wrong and should not be done. It shouldn't be a war, but boys should be told the truth and be given the same encouragement to succeed that girls have been given over the last 40 + years. Sadly, we assume that boys don't need the help and they get neglected. A lot are falling out of school and becoming a drag on society, which hurts everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 04:18 PM
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Whatever the case, I'm glad that young boys are finally getting the message that they don't need women either. Young women and girls have been told for 60 years that they need men like fish need bicycles. But young boys have never been told that they don't need women. TRP and MGTOWs are now telling boys what girls have been told, that you don't need anyone else. That the path to happiness starts with the self. Focus only on your own priorities and your own needs first: personally, professionally…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 11:41 PM
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You can love the person you're with as well. I think OP is pointing out that it's just this thing we conjured that's nice but that isn't necessary. As far as nature is concerned, and procreation, it's not necessary. But yes, you're better off spending your time with people you love rather than people that you hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 11:33 PM
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Yes, it is harder. Women generally prefer men their own age, so if a dude is dating younger women, he's really killing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:57 PM
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I actually agree with you. Love is not necessary but a 'nice to have' that kept people together long enough to have a family. But it's not required. Our society allows us to fend for ourselves now, so love/marriage is not needed and with the laws governing relationships recognized by the state, it's better for everyone to not go to that extreme any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:54 PM
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Nobody needs to stop anything. People are free to do what they want. But yes, I do agree that if women are fine objectifying themselves then the consequence of that is more men seeing women as objects first, actual human beings second. That sucks, but it seems as if enough women are willing to make that trade off.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:47 PM
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I don't think that women should have sex more often than they want to but they should take into account their partner's sexual needs and if their partner needs sex more often than they're willing to commit to, it's probably better to end the relationship. Sexual comparability in relationships goes a long way, and if one person is going to freeze out the other then resentment is inevitable. So if you have a lower sex drive, it's better to tell prospective partners about that up front so that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:43 PM
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I think that most of those men are pointing out the hypocrisy when women will only date tall men but when those men say that they won't date women that are overweight, the women get upset. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:39 PM
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Depends on what 'go for' means. If it's just for sex, then the description above meets the criteria just fine. But yeah, for relationships, I totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:36 PM
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Mine is good but at some point I had to push back because that's just life and growing up. That said, I think that boys in single parent households are the hardest hit, psychologically. I was lucky that my parents stayed together, so the presence of my father tempered the impact that my mother had on me. If the mother is the single parent for a boy, and this is a generality, I think that she has this idea that she'll create the perfect man out of her son, the man she couldn't necessarily find wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:30 PM
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As a MGTOW I can honestly say that P&D or serial monogamy are my only choices and I don't see it as hypocritical. We all desire contact but I'm absolutely never going to commit to someone through marriage. So I never use "P&D" and am only using it hear because it's the term you've chosen, because that sounds callous and I do have a care for whomever I'm fucking. But yes, the bottom line is that we're having sex, and at some point, it will end and someone new will inevitably come along. And that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:20 PM
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Someone to have fun with but not marriage material. That said, men should never get married anyway, so there's that. Basically the term "She's not yours, it's just your turn" applies. So as long as you know it's not going to be a serious thing and set expectations accordingly, she's someone fun to be with until it inevitably ends and you both move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:12 PM
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I'd say about half my friends in their 30's are dating women in their 20's, and in some cases by almost a decade (8 years). So while it's not your preference it does seem to be a thing. Maybe when you're 26 or so you'll see 35 y/o dudes differently. Maybe not, but enough women seem to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:08 PM
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Humor? Ok. As a MGTOW I don't long for the old days. I'm ok getting FWB's and not ever settling down with just one woman. I think most guys will get there soon enough. If not, they just have to visit other countries, they don't have to move there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 02:51 PM
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I have not seen any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 02:46 PM
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That's probably true. I would add to that though. My sense is that some women come here with the intent to explain why they think RP dudes are just crazy. They want the controversy and want to mix it up, they have no interest in understanding men, but just want to tell men how wrong they are. And that recipe is never going to go well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:36 PM
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Yes, feminists pushed the change in the federal definition of rape to exclude 'made to penetrate' as a form of rape. They pushed the Duluth model in just about all states, and other DV law that can make criminals out of innocent men. The pushed standards that biased courts governing family and divorce law. Workplace law that can get men fired on rumor alone, and pushed for the re-purpose of Title IX to create kangaroo tribunals on campus that get men kicked out of university without due process.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:29 PM
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Yes. If a woman got denied by a super hot guy that was out of her league, not a big deal. But if she got denied by someone at or below her internally perceived value, it's a much bigger ego hit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:23 PM
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As an RP dude I can honestly say that I flat out disagree with the assertion that women don't contribute to society. If nothing else they produce more babies that go forth and 'produce.' No, robots should not replace women. That said, I'm fine if a guy wants to own a sexbot or partner-bot if that's what floats his boat. But I don't see how robots replacing women is anything but an absolutely terrible idea. For me, RP philosophy is just a tool in the tool box to help understand female behavior in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:21 PM
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unless she is a trained fighter, or he is disabled, the average man can lay most men out on their ass in a few "man hits" The problem is that if a man defends himself, he'll go to jail. So it's not about mental blockage or being complicit in his own abuse. He's screwed no matter what he does. Even leaving can be dangerous, but it's probably the best choice. However, if he's married, that just adds another layer of complete bull crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:12 PM
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I think this sub is intended to increase understanding, not to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:00 PM
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I'd put the number at maybe 50% or 60%. So you may be on the right side of that number but I've seen plenty of posts from women on this sub that just further antagonize such men. I would hazard a guess that the motivations for reading incel posts are varied. Some women, like yourself, may read them in order to listen, understand, and have sympathy for incel types, but for others it's clear the motivation is to throw more gasoline onto the flame.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 07:57 PM
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While this logic shocks the system, there is a lot of truth to it. And I think that as a result of what you're saying, many men are actually wise to it and are making the choice to abandoned BB strategy. Marriage is not an option as it is usually part of BB strategy. So the world is changing and men need to change with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 06:02 PM
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I have a strong Libertarian streak too but I don't agree with the cause and effect. That is, I'm not a Libertarian because I believe that's the best system for run of the mill, college educated men, but because I believe in a lot of Libertarian ideas regardless of who it might apply to. So, no, not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:57 PM
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That makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:49 PM
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Partners are vetted constantly, and still 50% of marriages fail. I agree, if you could vet to ensure a divorce would never happen, then everyone should do that. But that is simply not reasonable. And really, the person that you vet and marry is rarely the person that you end up divorcing. So not marrying is actually the most logical and pragmatic choice. And nobody is saying to give up fatherhood. If a man and woman get pregnant, they can still have a kid. Marriage is not necessary, nature made …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:48 PM
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I'm not slandering women, I love women. I just think that the institution of marriage is antiquated and not needed any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:42 PM
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Well, he did. His wife does not have a pension. So whether it goes by a different name, like maintenance or something, he got it. But it wasn't a pension. Sounds like you wouldn't have received extensive payments either had it not been for the pension.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 11:18 PM
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I have a buddy in the same situation and in my state, I'm in the US, he got a nominal payout for 2 years, out of which his child support was taken, so he just got the difference. So after that two years he has to send money to her, even though she makes WAY more than him, the alimony was minimal. He's ok with the child support, but he got next to nothing in alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 09:33 PM
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Sure, but those weren't the situations that I observed. And often in those situations, like yours, the payouts from the women are nominal and temporary, because it is assumed that men can go work to take care of themselves,especially if they are not awarded the kids. Not as much for women, especially women with children. Men are also often shamed for accepting money from their bread-winning wives through the process and are encouraged to take less that what they have a right to. It's an appeal/a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 08:40 PM
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Yes, I'm delusional. SMH.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 08:35 PM
1

Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 08:33 PM
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It's been my observation that most guys do show up, but without a lawyer because they can't afford one and oftentimes have to pay for hers. They lose almost always in those situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:50 PM
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How much of the 30% of guys do you think are not having sex by choice? My guess is less than 1%. How many of the 18% of women not having sex are not having it because they can't - i.e. they're femcels? My guess is less than 1%. So yes, there is a slight change in terminology but I don't think it really matters people aren't wrong drawing the conclusions that they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:47 PM
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It's easy for the majority of women to sleep around. So high n count is a negative for women, usually, who are judged not only by men who prefer low n count women but by women as well, because lowering the price for sex more men lowers the value of sex for every woman. High n count for men represents a lot of work and accomplishment in different aspects of that man's life. So other men either admire or at least grudgingly respect other men who've had a lot of women. Likewise women do not usually…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:36 PM
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As a MGTOW I would say that the only hard and fast rules are to never marry or live with women. Never agree to adopt and/or take care of another man's kids. But dating is fine. So you get most of the benefits with little of the trouble. Just don't get entangled, legally, with a woman. But it's a misconception that MGTOW don't like and don't want to date women. Some don't, sure. But everyone needs a connection. MGTOW aren't robots, we just live life on our own terms and don't put ourselves in leg…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:30 PM
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All the more reason for nobody to get married, women too, but especially men. And while your first point is taken as a good one, nobody is talking about killing anyone. It's all about how the system works against men, primarily, so much so that after divorce men are 10x more likely than normal to kill themselves. It's not women who kill themselves on the courthouse steps after divorce, but a good number of men have. MGTOW is the only choice for men. Absolutely never, and I mean never, get marrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:25 PM
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The laws are gender neutral but the enforcement of those laws in court is heavily biased. Sounds like you lucked out but it's better for the average Joe not to think that he'll be the lucky one. That's not a good way to make a decision. Congrats, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:21 PM
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All the proof men need. Just look around at the men in most families that went through divorce and it's enough to ensure not to make the same mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:19 PM
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LOL, my laugh for the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:18 PM
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I totally agree. But also, married is unnecessary any more. With everyone working it's not really needed. It just complicates everything and offers too much legal risk. Time to be rid of it once and for all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:18 PM
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If they can afford the payments and still work. Otherwise, low income men end up in debtor's prison. So while that may be true, it's not the full story. Very few women are imprisoned for failure to pay, which is yet another inequity levied by family and divorce courts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:15 PM
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Notwithstanding the fact that if you need a prenup or a trust then marriage is the last thing you should be doing anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:12 PM
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She's looking to confirm her own biases so certain subjects will be glossed over or completely omitted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:10 PM
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"Marriage: don't do it." Amen to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:09 PM
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Prenups don't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:05 PM
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It's definitely a red herring.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 07:03 PM
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Totally agree. And there are people that will buck the trend so yes, it'd not causation, but still a good predictor, which the study shows. It's increased probability of divorce, not a guarantee of divorce. But if someone is planning to get married and risk their time and resources on someone, why do it with someone who has a higher probability of divorce than someone who doesn't? It's just common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 05:55 PM
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I've referred to some of these studies before making the same points but your post is better stated. Why this isn't common knowledge is the key question. Nobody wants to hear the truth. Whether it's because of a failure to pair bond or just that you get bored quicker and become addicted to variety, it seems very clear that the more sexual partners you have, the more likely you'll divorce, especially if you are a woman. This is yet another factoid that informs my own MGTOW lifestyle. Of course I …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 05:41 PM
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Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 05:35 PM
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The crappy feeling of having been used and realizing it is pretty universal no matter how the person used you, so I'd say they are comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:29 PM
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Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 11:19 PM
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Yes, I'm RP. But........ "He understands how to value his own time and money and doesn’t play the victim." -Key line for me. I wasn't fully RP until I became MGTOW. I didn't carry a victim mentality but I was resentful toward society and it's laws that make things unequal for men. Once I accepted that I cannot change f'd up things and focused on myself, I became much more liberated. I've always been able to meet women so that part wasn't really a struggle, but yes, I don't spend lavishly on date…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 11:17 PM
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And I don't think that women choosing to stay women is because they value ease. But I'm not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 11:09 PM
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Men get assaulted walking home alone. Statistically, it's more probable that a man will be assaulted than women. Not sexually assaulted, but assaulted nonetheless. There are reasons for that - I assume because more men walk home alone so the probability goes up. Anyway, men are more likely to be victims in that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 11:08 PM
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Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:22 PM
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I would only date them casually and as a fwb option. For single moms, you're always secondary to the kids, so you really don't want to commit to a situation like that. And you absolutely don't want to marry - doing that means taking responsibility for her kids as well, and that's the father's job.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:21 PM
2

You're on the right track. And that dream will become a reality. As time goes by you'll acquire resources and make good choices. Next thing you know, you're there. Then you set your next target. Either way, the progress is endless.
/r/MGTOW213/04/20 05:18 PM
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As more women would choose to stay women, I'm not sure that says anything about their values, actually. As for men who would choose to switch, I don't think it has to do with their values either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:14 PM
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'while still being a women' - key phrase . Most women, given the choice to magically become a man, would not do so. Way more men would choose to become women if such an option existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:08 PM
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As a man I just don't think women are jealous of anything about being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:22 PM
1

I have a different view of what virtue signaling is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:17 PM
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I do some of the those for myself, but not for women. I'm not into fashion as to me it's a waste of money. I'm career oriented and keep physically fit, for myself. I don't carefully plan dates for women I'm just meeting, that only happens if we're more serious. It's not about what works for me with women. I am who I am because of personal choice and women understand that if they're dating me, that I'm not going to change who I am, for them or anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:14 PM
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I'm saying that the morals of the less desirable men, according to women, are actually worse than the morals of the desirable men because their less honest. Women would rather deal with the transparent motivations of an a-hole than the duplicitous nature of men being nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:10 PM
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The men that don't breed still benefit from the tribe. They survive and are taken care of in their old age. But yes, I would agree that many of them could choose to separate from the tribe and live on their own. There's no reason for them to stay if there are enough of them, aside from the fact that the tribe is all that they would have known as children and probably they will have accepted the status quo through indoctrination. But yes, if there is no benefit, there is no reason to follow the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:55 PM
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"This isn't the case. Average guys literally cant afford to be assholes. Most are as nice as possible....." There's your answer right there, according to women. The narrative goes that 'nice guys' aren't really nice and therefore that makes them worse than the a-holes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:47 PM
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It's a big deal for some, sure. But it's not the only reason that people cheat and risk their careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:42 PM
1

Nice. Have a good time and be safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 09:58 PM
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"The thought of always being alone emotionally for the rest of my life because I don't trust woman scares me." Key comment. We all need to be emotionally connected so you should still strive for that. But you don't need marriage to achieve that. In fact, the happiest times that couples have is before they get married. That's the time that both know the other can leave, so they put the most into the relationship. You want to stay in that phase as long as possible. Also, you really want to focus o…
/r/MGTOW210/04/20 08:10 PM
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Cut her off completely. She doesn't deserve your forgiveness, at least in the form of you letting her back in to your life. It sounds like she still has the ability to hurt you. Some old wounds are deep, especially when experienced during your formative years when you're still fining out who you are. Cut off all contact, block, etc... Move on and be with someone who appreciates you and who you can trust. There's a reason she's in your past, keep her there.
/r/MGTOW210/04/20 08:00 PM
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I'll be over at 6 with some cold ones! ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:54 PM
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In some ways yes. As a MGTOW it's much cheaper to fuck whores and sugarbabies than to get married. TRP though, is still good for understanding female dating strategy and female behavior. Not to try to change it, but to understand and adjust to it. The MGTOW part is about how society views men, in the courts, sentencing, divorce court, family court, college campuses, the workplace, etc.... In addition it IS about living your best possible life, being successful and always improving, physically, f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:53 PM
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Not everyone has great parents or a great childhood. Consider yourself lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:47 PM
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You could turn it into a benefit. Many women may respect you more for taking responsibility for the child. They will see you as some who isn't afraid to step up when needed. Many women will put themselves into the shoes of your former partner and know that if shit gets heavy, at least you're a grown ass man that they can trust. Others will just not want to deal with it and that's ok too, you wouldn't want to be with them any way. They are the kind of people that bolt when things get tough, and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:44 PM
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LOL :) Uhm, no! You go buy your own steak!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:34 PM
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You pretty much relegated the cancer to the manosphere. If now you're saying that cancer is everywhere, that's fine, I can go with that. Anyone who sites blame on others for their own woes should be ignored. If someone is complaining about how sluts or single mothers are ruining the world then they have the wrong focus. That focus needs to be on the self in order to achieve any kind of meaningful happiness. Blaming other individuals for your own issues is ignorant and juvenile and I just ignore …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 07:33 PM
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Men go longer between sex than women, so porn is a great alternative. It does not make men apathetic to life, but possibly to sex with women. It's actually easier. You have work to do, you're stressed, you watch porn for 10 mins, relax, and get back to work. I don't want to make the claim that it's necessary since we didn't have it in the past, but most men who use it aren't paid very much attention to by women any way, so it's a great alternative for them to fantasize for a few minutes and then…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 06:05 PM
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Which is the case in literally every group. There are always extremists. No group gets a pass on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 05:49 PM
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The manosphere is by men, about men, and for men, and that should be ok. It seems as though people really have a problem with men sharing information, learning from each others' experiences, and changing their views about what's best for them rather than accepting what they may have been taught. Men talking to each other is apparently a threat. This really isn't a CMV post, it's just a rant against men that OP hates.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 05:01 PM
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Read it again. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 04:46 PM
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"So why do the same men who insist that high n count women are acceptable for sex but unacceptable for marriage turn around and rage about women who have fun with fun guys and the settle down with stable ones? " I'm not convinced that they're the same men. That said, everybody should be able to do whatever they want, nobody should be mad or raging about whatever choices other people make. TRP though, does recognize patterns in female nature. And AF/BB is a pretty clear pattern. So it's not about…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:57 PM
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These rants are inaccurate and show a strong antipathy toward men in the manosphere. Why do you care so much? The manosphere wouldn't exist if it weren't for men having real life experiences that they decided they would not tolerate any more. It's new, it's crude, but it's real and their lived experiences are real. And each individual is in a different phase of growth and understanding. You are not a man and don't know what it's like, and that's fine. But you're not the person to tell men what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:46 PM
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Thanks, I'll check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:19 PM
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I'm a MGTOW so I don't know if the book is for me. He is very critical of MGTOW for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 10:55 PM
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I've never thought about it like this but it does seem to make sense. Not sure about the character archetypes, I'd have to watch and see. But as far as the premise, I think I agree. I'll have to think about it more but that's my sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 08:33 PM
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I've only seen a few youtube videos of him which is where I've heard him refer to published articles that are based on studies. Doesn't sound like he's too scientific.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 08:27 PM
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LOL, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 08:24 PM
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But doesn't his blog refer to studies done that have been peer reviewed about social dynamics and female mating strategies? It seems like he's always referring to published studies supporting his assertions. So he's not conducting studies himself but relying on the social sciences communities to do it for him and then kind of cherry picking what he sees that proves what he's saying; it's kind of performing confirmation bias but at the same time refers to real studies. I don't follow him too clos…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:24 PM
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:16 PM
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As a MGTOW and RP dude, I tend to disagree. It's pretty much the opposite. You work hard, take care of your responsibilities, get your sh*t, done, and accept that the world owes you nothing and will not lift a finger to help. It's pretty liberating actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 07:13 PM
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If it's just for sex, I don't think men care. But as far as relationship potential, especially if one is looking long term and wants kids, then women with high body counts are less desirable by, from my experience talking to other guys, a relatively large minority of men. Some men are hard wired to care about whether or not offspring are theirs. A crude measure of that is a woman's loyalty and fidelity to him through not having as many partners. He wants to be sure before he commits to a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 04:18 PM
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There's not much to say here. Everything starts from within, so it's not about men's problems vs women's problems and who's to blame. You focus on yourself and your own happiness and the rest of the stuff you've mentioned becomes irrelevant. This goes for women too. An exercise pointing fingers is a dead end.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 04:08 PM
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I can understand why that might make some guys bitter but I don't think that's the only reason. And it's not a good reason. Sex is just not that big a deal. It's more important to have connections with people and a friendship group, which can act like a support network for you. Sex is not meaningless, but close.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 02:20 PM
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Speak for yourself. Once you understand that sex is not a big deal then it ceases to guide your thoughts and decisions. As a MGTOW and RP dude, I don't have problems with women and/or getting sex. I've always been a serial monogamous guy and am usually in a relationship or in a relatively brief period of time in between. But I'm still MGTOW, I'm still RP. I like women and enjoy being with women. I don't resent women or am I bitter. But I have my life and I live it on my terms, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:31 PM
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This is a huge reason for men to not get married. Most men want sex on the regular and assume that is part of the marriage. But after the marriage the woman has secured commitment from him and is not obliged to regular sex. This is yet another reason for men to not get married. The probability is that they'll get more sex single than they would married. Full disclosure, I'm MGTOW, so for this any MANY other reasons, marriage is no longer a good decision for men. It carries a huge amount of risk …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:26 PM
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This post is all over the place. Too much to answer. But I'll just say that the premise in the title is wrong to begin with. "If men have better lives than women, why do RP men complain about women having advantages?" Well, men DON'T have it better than women, that is a fallacy and stats prove it. Women have way better outcomes than men in across key categories in live including education, on the job death, incarceration, longevity, etc.... It is a myth that men are doing better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 02:39 PM
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The husband breadwinner gender norm stays firmly in place because that how women like it. Men go along with it because their work is usually tied up in their identity and because, whether they can or not, they aspire to be able to support a woman as well as themselves. Whereas the reverse is not true. Very few women think it's ok to support a man, which is how that age old gender norm for men stays in place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:40 PM
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"If all of it was for the sake of sex......" Why does it have to ALL be for the sake of sex. And even if it is, who cares what the compelling reasons are for someone to better themselves. And why does it have to only be physical development? Women, well, all of us, respond to people who are educated, well rounded, informed, skilled, successful, and so on. That's a lot of development in a lot of areas. Your premise is very one dimensional and faulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:35 PM
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"TRP idolizes that because he's put in all this work." All of that work represents a ton of personal development and growth as a human being - as opposed to "just saying yes" when sex is offered.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 08:03 PM
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Never get married, it is truly a terrible decision, especially for men. Full disclosure, I'm MGTOW and for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 07:55 PM
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I've heard claim from women that are successful that men are intimidated by their salary, but it's also been mostly/primarily women that won't date anyone that make less than them. I really don't think it's about intimidation, it's about whether or not you're a decent person that other people are willing to invest their time into, primarily because they are attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 07:53 PM
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It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 07:43 PM
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TRP is not a movement, for the most part. That is, they do not have local chapters and official organizations and academics producing more and more peer reviewed work that then gets trotted out as fact. They don't march in the streets, they're not backed by big money lobbying congress to get laws changed, like the federal definition of rape, DV law and enforcement, family law, divorce law, Title IX, workplace law, etc... So I see TRP as more of a philosophy and feminism more as a ideological mov…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 10:08 PM
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Fuck the guy. But if you end up pregnant then don't use some BB simp for security and to help bring up the kid. Make the biological father pay for his own kid. TRP or PPD is not about making women change their behavior, but it is about understanding female nature and to adjust thoughts and actions accordingly. So fuck away, just don't make a third party responsible for anything that happens as a result. It's unfair to them even if they think they want to for the sake of having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 09:57 PM
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No problem and I agree that more guys should just buy the services of sex workers. But not everyone lives close to a state that legalizes it. But if it were legal in every state, more guys would do that. Also, society shames men who use prostitutes, at least in the US. It's more acceptable in other societies and men in those societies do pay to hook up. I believe Japan has no problem with it, although I've never been their. Also, in the US, where I am, there is a belief that all sex workers are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 09:46 PM
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Anyone can be duplicitous. I think that in the realm of TRP it comes down to women giving advice to men about what women like, etc... RP men find that advice not to be useful and instead listen to other men that are good with women. Watching what women choose rather than what they say they like is just much more accurate and informative than listening to them say what they want, but never actually choose for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 04:30 PM
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Well put.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 04:24 PM
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Great comments. Sorry for your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 02:43 PM
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I think it just goes to show that women are human. They can be just as terrible in their own ways as anyone else. The whole, 'women are wonder and men are subhuman' narrative is a myth perpetuated by popular media. We all go along with it because if you call out the bull crap and lies then you're just a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 02:34 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 02:28 PM
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understood, and it's not automatic for males as well, but more so. But assuming that men are sexually attracted automatically, just based on looks, is wrong too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 11:35 PM
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All Women Are Like That / All Men Are Like That
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 11:33 PM
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This. Fapping is fine and you're denying your own nature if you're not doing it. Yes, if it's a problem then that's different, but if you're taking a few mins out of your day to rub one out in order to relax and get clarity, then it's a good thing. Just don't let it get in the way of responsibilities.
/r/MGTOW230/03/20 08:04 PM
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Men did not exclude women from the ability to work in order to subjegate them. Instead, it took everyone to ensure the survival of a family up until recently. There was no conspiracy among men to do this. That's just false and this line of thinking needs to be quelled. It's simply wrong. By your own stats both men and women seem equally happy in marriage, both being more than an 8 out of 10. So while there are minimal differences, both groups seem happy in marriage. Where things get really tilte…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:56 PM
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The 'heart throbs' are as you say, characters, but there are a few male models thrown in. I'm not saying that women only respond to images, hell, men don't all either, they want to get to know the person too, but it's absolutely a part of the equation. With few exceptions, if a woman is not sexually attracted to a man, it doesn't matter how great of a personality he has.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:43 PM
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I'm absolutely not trying to force women into the mold of male sexuality, it truly never crossed my mind. That said I've seen women in my work place decorate their cubicles with their favorite heart throbs, men who've they've never met and only have their picture to go by. It's women that are influence and inform their attraction response to these images. Yes, men are more visual and therefore may have a more sexual response, but anymore, what's 'normal' circumstances. A lot of people meet onlin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 07:24 PM
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About the same. Women have had 50 years since 2nd wave to complain, and they have. Some complaints were necessary, others, like say, manspreading for example, are just for the sake of complaining. But lately men have caught up. I'm MGTOW and all about understanding female nature, but account that individuals may be an exception and surprise you, but it's to know and understand reality, not to complain to others online about what's not fair. Nobody cares if your life isn't fair. I thought most me…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:52 PM
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"I mean you’re basically discussing a guy who’s inherently superior to you." I don't have an issue but I don't see Chad as 'superior' either. I'm not a Chad, that is, I'm not a player but I'm reasonably successful [edit] with women and not threatened by 'Chad' or the abstract concept of a 'Chad.'
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:40 PM
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LOL. Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:38 PM
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As a shaming tactic, it is. Seems like we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 05:37 PM
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You agree with me. You say that men shouldn't marry for sex. That's why most men do. There are very few men that should actually marry. The top 10-20% of men in attractiveness have not reason to marry, it's illogical. They will have the most opportunity for sex with the most women. And women are ok with this because variety is the spice of life. Then next 60+ percent of men are getting married for access to sex, which you disagree with, and I agree with with you. The rest most likely are not get…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:58 PM
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There are always exceptions to a generality but it doesn't mean the generality is wrong. I do agree though, that AWALT and AMALT is tiresome and inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:49 PM
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Because it's a double standard and nobody ever wants to give up a double standard that they benefit from no matter how hypocritical or illogical it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:45 PM
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Backed by facts and contemporary history, but yes, opinion only. But a wise one that men should follow if they want the most out of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:37 PM
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As my experience with women tells me that most are NOT gold diggers I would agree. Although I know some low income women that do want to nail down a high earner for marriage, anyone I've dated has not dated for money. Children do need fathers though, most data shows this. Children have way better outcomes when their fathers are part of their lives. So it is not illogical to keep a father around even if he doesn't make as much money. But most women in these situations don't care and would rather …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:36 PM
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I think it goes back to surveys of women rating most men as unattractive while men rate the attractiveness of women more realistically on a curve. Some of these surveys have women 80+ percent of men as below average, which is statistically not true. So it's not men that are below average believing that they're totally hot, which nearly no man believes any way, it's statistically average looking men being perceived as below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:24 PM
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Yes, I think it's unrealistic because even men who are highly attractive do not necessarily incite intense sexual attraction for women. The reality for almost all men is that they generate pretty much zero sexual attraction by just existing no matter how attractive. They usually have to do more than that in addition to being good looking. I don't know ANY men that have an expectation that women SHOULD be, it's just the reality and men learn that early on, and that's pretty much ALL men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:19 PM
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It baffles me when I hear guy in the manosphere say "Sex isn't worth the marriage" who told you to get married FOR SEX?! " I agree. Marriage is not worth it, but not just for sex, in our society marriage is a raw deal whether you're getting sex or not. I'm totally against marriage as an institution. I don't need anyone to cook or clean either. Being independent is the best thing a person can be. And I agree, hookers are great way to scratch an itch and much cheaper than marriage. Never get marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:14 PM
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I agree with your last statement, however my comment is not really about how shaming tactics won't work on a confident person but more about the terrible behavior of the person using those tactics whether they're effective or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 02:09 PM
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I think it's more about the assumption rather than what a person thinks of you. It should not matter at all what a person thinks. But it's also intellectually lazy and a form of shaming to tell a person that they're insecure because they have a preference for something, the most common case being a preference for a lower n count in their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 08:10 PM
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I don't know, but I can only say that I'm wired to care about it. It's deeply ingrained. Can't explain, it just is for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 06:01 PM
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Totally agree. There is little incentive for men who check all of the boxes to settle for any one person for a long time, maybe mid to late thirties at the earliest. And why should they? I think that a lot of focus was on women and girls to be independent to they don't 'need a man.' And it was right to do that, but we never told boys that they don't need a woman or a family, and that they too, should focus on their own success and priorities. That is slowly becoming a thing, more men spurning tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 05:59 PM
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Yes, the traditional 'bachelor' had it right from the beginning. I'm not a player and never will be but I do well enough, and I'm a MGTOW. I like dating and never having to commit or live with anyone. I have my own life, and the life that I share with others. It's a way better choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 05:50 PM
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If it was safe and didn't have terrible side effects, and if it was dependable. Men don't really have those options even though companies have tried to get a male pill on the market. Vasectomies are still a safer and better choice. As families are less of a priority than they used to be, vasectomies are by far the best option.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 05:45 PM
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Patriarchy theory is just that, a theory. One that has no data proving it's existence and what the compelling reasons for its supposed existence are. It was made up by feminists to further an agenda and narrative that they cultivate and keep alive for their own ends. It's all just assertions that you're making based on your view of the world. Yes, crappy things happened in human history on all sides of the gender equation. Until recently we all had it tough, just to survive, everyone played thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 05:42 PM
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It was probably feminists who adopted the whole AMALT philosophy, which is then pretty much adopted by mainstream television and news. They own the whole narrative on men, even though they're not men. And for the most part if men push back, they get shamed, and non extreme women seem to equally go along with whatever narrative gets put forward about men. So everyone does it now. AWALT is actually pretty new, and it's just men adopting the same tactics that have been used to disparage their chara…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 05:24 PM
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Women were picking bad boys before those characters were being portrayed in popular television, so I'm not buy the whole brainwashing thing. Needless to say, it's still going on and men are learning quicker what it is that women are choosing and then emulating that behavior. The result is that as time goes by there are less 'nice guys' but more 'dateable' a-holes. And then there are the segment of men who just don't care any more and are focused on their own needs and goals. Hurray for all of us…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 05:18 PM
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That's what I'm saying too. Less men are opting for what our fathers and grandfathers had, for a host of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 05:12 PM
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I think that there are two categories of men. 80% of the men would start of low and flat-line across the graph. They are not desirable by women at all. The OKCupid stats prove that. So their relative attractiveness would be relatively unchanged across their lives. The other 20% would look more like the curve for women, but with perhaps more dramatic swings upward from ages 25 to about 32 or so. Just my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 08:16 PM
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Women enjoy a ton of privilege in Westernized societies and always have. Societies determine that women have more value and therefore are to be elevated. War is a perfect example. Society has determined that men have no value and therefore can be killed if needed. Women cannot be drafted. Men were sent to their deaths on the job as well, down in coal mines where they develop black lung and die, of get crushed by cave-ins. Sentencing for crimes, incarceration, women are extremely privileged. A wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 08:07 PM
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I think that if women have all these FWBs and sexual freedom, which they've basically had since the 60's, then not much has changed for them. What has changed is men. Women have been fucking the same 20 percent of the population for forever. But Those guys haven't changed either. But the other 80% of men that would normally date and marry a single mom or some other woman that is willing to 'settle' for them in their 30's just so they can get some sex, those men aren't going for that deal any mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 07:42 PM
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No, I love being horny and it's never been a problem. Maybe when hormones first started kicking in and they cause everything to go haywire. Also, I've never really been attracted to 'pussy', but generally to the overall female form.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 07:34 PM
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I can see why. And I can't argue.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/03/20 07:28 PM
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I've heard women say "just be yourself." I suppose most men think that they are nice and so being yourself is the same. But being 'nice' doesn't work, I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 05:51 PM
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Except that unlike serial killers, the advice that women give men is inaccurate. Women tell men how they think men could get other women, that is, what they think other women would not, but certainly not what they are choosing for themselves. "just be yourself", blah blah, "in touch with feelings and emotionally available........" No. Women don't want that stuff until after they've fucked. So women need to be telling men how to get women to have sex with them. Instead, women give advice about wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 05:47 PM
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'Man up' is a shaming tactic often employed by women. 'Grow the fuck up' is more widely used by everyone against everyone and doesn't use gender expectations as a cudgel to get one to conform.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 07:54 PM
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My mother and I never really got along so I didn't take that expectation into my relationships. But going with your theory, what of women who had fathers? Isn't their expectation the same of their bfs? To be protected and cared for? Or is the whole premise just flawed to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 07:48 PM
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PPD is a weird confluence of many different ideologies. I'm RP but MGTOW as well. I'm not trying to change society but I have no problem sharing with others how I make my life decisions based on my own personal way of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 09:00 PM
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This is why men need reproductive rights the same as women. If women have the right to abort, which they should, then men should have the right to legal paternity surrender. It needs to be equal on both sides. Right now it's heavily biased against men in most states. If a woman wants to go it alone then that's her choice, but she shouldn't have the right to bring anyone else into that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 08:56 PM
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Your whole premise is wrong. You are equating RPers with cucks. Men become RP so that they become the men that women choose and avoid marrying women who are older and with kids because they understand the female dating strategy laid out in RP. The foundation of this post shows a deeply flawed understanding of RP guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 08:52 PM
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All lot of what men is is based on what women reward. So it just what you have to do, who you have to be, to get with women. Then you can be who you really are with your bros on game night, poker night, weekend camping trips, whatever........
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 08:47 PM
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This question gets posted at least once every 2 to 3 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 08:42 PM
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There have always been women willing to trade on their looks to bilk simps out of their money. Since the internet began, let alone instagram and other social networking apps, women have been doing this. They may be selling harder than normal nowadays because of the pandemic, but it's always been alive and well IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 07:47 PM
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Yeah, I agree. There plenty of of 30-40 y/o women I'd have sex with, and plenty that I wouldn't who actually might be younger. So the 'wall' is a little abstract in that it may mean that men will hit on you for sex, but as women age, have kids, etc... they are not necessarily marriage material because less and less men are willing to take on children of other men. There are still simps out there willing to do that but less so, IMO, than in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 07:43 PM
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I'm RP but also MGTOW. I don't care if I meet anyone's criteria because I don't believe that men these days should get married anymore. They certainly shouldn't model themselves on what they can 'offer' any more. Those days should be gone, IMO. Men did those things in the past but women didn't want it anyway, the feminists made sure of that. We're all better off taking care of ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 07:39 PM
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Expecting a virgin is unrealistic but I don't think that's what most men require. On the other hand there is data suggesting that too many sexual partners can be a predictor of failed marriages. So maybe there's a happy medium in there somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 05:59 PM
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Agreed. And on the beta bux point it's one of the reasons I'm MGTOW. Never agree to adopt and/or provide for another man's child. That's his job.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 11:02 PM
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And ugly men don't get attention from women, as well as a lot of normal looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 10:56 PM
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I actually have much more respect for a woman who doesn't screw some guy, have kids, and then marries some simp to help with raising them when she doesn't really love him and will prioritize him after her own needs and her kids. So yes, cat ladies are at least not causing damage to others with their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:23 PM
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Agreed. Anyone, man or woman, that is 'ugly' deserves empathy. Both women and men care about physical appearance when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:19 PM
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If you're truly ugly, then sure. But most women can get attention from men, not the other way around, if we're basing things on looks. The OKCupid study says it all. 'Normal' looking men are considered below average or ugly to women. Average looking women look, well, average looking, to most men. So there probably is an empathy gap because in reality, women get attention and men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:59 PM
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Men are not monolithic in their thinking on this and their are plenty who don't 'need a female body' when their urge hits. You're referring to a minority of men who may be saying that, IMO. That said, male sex drive can be extremely high. When some women have had to take testosterone for managing a condition and have raised their levels to one tenth of what occurs in men naturally, they start to understand how powerful that drive really is. I saw one woman interviewed who had to take testosteron…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 05:51 PM
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MGTOW is not about hate and it's really not about women. It's about you, so......yer good.
/r/MGTOW219/03/20 05:44 PM
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Most do not want it any more, IMO, which is why the institution of marriage needs to be abandoned and laws based on marriage or common law marriage need to be repealed. People treat each other better and try harder when they know the other person can easily walk away. And really, nobody stays together for very long any more either, so I don't think monogamy is working any more. Serial monogamy, maybe, but people mostly want to have an experience with someone, feel some feelz, and then move on to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 11:37 PM
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Something is wrong. You shouldn't feel that way. I've never cared for women lusting after other men. Not sure why, especially if they're making such a show of it for me to notice. That makes it easier to filter. But bitterness? No, dude, I don't think that is a healthy response and you may want to get counseling and explore why that is triggering for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 11:32 PM
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I'm RP but also MGTOW, so I don't recommend marriage for anyone. Serial dating where the two people don't live together is best. It keeps the relationship fresh and makes people not take the other for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 05:01 PM
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"Of course, anyone with common sense would look at these two statements and realize that there is no incentive for a woman to settle down in her 20s." The incentive is that if she wants to settle down and have a husband and family then it will be harder to do in her thirties because there will be less choice. So there is a higher probability that when she does settle in her thirties, it may be with someone she doesn't love as much - so, settling on a different level.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:59 PM
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Society doesn't care about men, it considers men disposable. So life is actually harder for most men. Women enjoy more perks. Given the choice, IMO, no woman would choose to become men if they could or very few. Given the choice I think more men than women would choose to change, which tells you everything you need to know about people's view of our society. Edit: I'm in the US so speaking about developed, Westernized societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:53 PM
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She's crazy. I'm surprised he stayed with her as long as he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 04:16 PM
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Bachelor's and incels will be the majority of men in 10 years LOL, but possibly true!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 04:14 PM
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There is hate for each other on both sides but I do thinks it's minimal. I don't hate women but I do understand female nature and don't inherently trust anyone. So I make my mind up about people on an individual basis, but if I don't know you then yes, female nature applies and for the most part I will expect the worst, or expect to be disappointed but hope to be surprised. I'm sure most women feel the same way about men, which is fine. As a MGTOW I trust society even less than I trust women and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 11:19 PM
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I've never known a man who's set out to exploit women. And not having to commit to a woman is something that bachelors have been preaching for centuries. Also, I'm in the US where women have had abundant choice for decades and there are still many young women marrying older men for money and security. So I don't think societal change completely changes choices some women make. Some women are fine being independent, but others, especially if they are pretty, are fine leaching off of an older dude…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 04:25 PM
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I don't think cultured is the right word. I've never heard anyone say that so I'm not sure where you're getting that. It's not about who's smarter either. I would say, though, that in a very general sense, women see it more as a priority to maintain an online self. So a lot of their focus is inward. Some maintain instagram accounts with tons of followers which makes that focus even stronger. This seems less so for men, but some men do this too. Still, it's mostly women who've cornered the market…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 04:19 PM
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They don't. This question is asked on the sub about once a week. They should fuck whomever they want. Just don't make some simp take care of your kids for you. Make the hot sexy guy take care of his own kids. Leave the 'disgusting' betas out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 04:10 PM
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As a MGTOW/RP dude I would say that I don't want to be either. I basically want to be Captain Invisible, or Captain Leave Me Alone. That is, I want to do my own thing by prioritizing myself and my own needs and let everyone else do the same. Navigating the world through a RP lens is just the best way to go about doing that because you make better, more logical and pragmatic decisions when you see the world for what it is rather than bullshitting yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 08:38 PM
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Ok, everything you described is mostly MGTOW. So your last sentence made sense of it all. As a fellow MGTOW I totally agree with everything you said and the view you take on life. RP is about seeing the world for what it is, not the fairy tale that was force fed to us about having to comply with society's expectations of us while it completely devalues us as people. Every man should be MGTOW for these reasons. When things get rough, there's no help coming for a man, ever. Society is hyper puniti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 08:31 PM
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Great post and so true. While people within their cohort, women, minority, LGBTQ, etc... fight on the basis of their identity with some other group about who has it worse, rich people are laughing all the way to the bank. The real divide is between the rich and everyone else, but somehow they get a pass, and actually get perks with bailouts and tax cuts. SMH.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 08:12 PM
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In general there's nothing to be done if other people are doing something that makes you mad. The conclusion is to understand why people do what they do so that their actions are not a surprise to you and so that you can make decisions in your own life that will put you at an advantage and better position you to succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 04:17 PM
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No, that's not what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 04:01 PM
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Yes, she cares enough about the guy to console him even if she's not going to be part of the overall solution. That's emotional intelligence. Nobody wants pity, just understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:57 PM
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I agree. So all the more reason to prioritize one's own goals, ironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:41 PM
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I date serially so I would want to know if someone I'm dating is playing the field. As much as I like the idea of reserving the right as a MGTOW to spin plates, I just don't. It's too much work and not how I'm wired. Male, 30, RP. It's not too much to ask. If you have to be with multiple people while we're dating then you're probably not for me, so I'd want to know in order to make my own decision - about ending it and finding someone more suitable. Since I'm providing exclusivity, even if nothi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 08:09 PM
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"If one believes in the former hypergamy has to be accepted." I believe in the former for the most part and accept that hypergamy exists. The difference for me as a MGTOW is that I adjust for hypergamy by not getting married or living with anyone. Also, the natural world in other species doesn't account for the virtual world that consumes a large part of our lives now. I might be a 20%, I might not. Let's say I'm not for the sake of argument. It doesn't mean I can't have a virtual harem and spin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 07:58 PM
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Early 30's MGTOW that was BP but now am way more Red/Purple. It is unfortunate but I think it's much easier to view the world and people in it by categorizing them early - Chad, Stacy, BP, Beta, AFBB, etc. It's crude but it can be effective for avoiding excess BS in your life. Yes, I may miss out on someone special but that's always going to happen. I'd rather focus on my own wants, needs, goals, and not be side tracked by ruminating over someone that would have, could have, should have been som…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:50 PM
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I would never live with a woman I'm dating. Too risky from a legal perspective. Plus, when people move in together the relationship goes stale.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:43 PM
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I think that if a man can find a suitable and attractive partner in within his socioeconomic class then of course he would choose that over someone equally attractive but with less social and economic status. But for men, way more than for women, it's not a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:34 PM
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Everybody, men and women, should do whatever they want whenever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:29 PM
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I just don't view RP as having 'being lied to' as its major premise. Understanding female nature? Yes. But in my mind it's not the same, so the whole premise of the assertion is wrong, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:09 PM
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No, but it's fun reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 09:21 PM
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This should be a pro-self sub or I'll end up leaving. I don't hate anybody.
/r/MGTOW206/03/20 06:49 PM
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I'm starting to think it's more evolutionary for men to not want to be the the town bicycle. Sure, for a ONS, but not an LTR. I think that it's because back in cave man days, men wanted to know that their kids were theirs, so having a loyal and trustworthy partner was extremely important. If a man was going to risk the wild to feed and possibly give his life to protect his family from a sabertooth tiger, he would want to know that his sacrifice was in the effort to perpetuate his own genes inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:46 PM
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Women do the same thing if they think they're losing their guy. It's not a gender thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:39 PM
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That's because high n counts in men represent a lot of work/effort. Not so for women. So there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:36 PM
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I think that women have the option of marrying at most any age, but I would tell any son to absolutely not to get married at all, but if they really wanted to, to not do it until their mid to late 30's.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:25 PM
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I agree but I think what the sub is mostly trying to say is that without sex, for men, a lot of those other things don't happen. Men in a sexless relationship probably won't stick around for the emotional well being, companionship, support, etc... that are all equally as important. Unless they are low sex individuals along with their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:20 PM
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It's sad that I would have to preach common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:16 PM
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Amen to that. Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:14 PM
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Good on ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 06:22 PM
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Absolutely not and most men, IMO, don't believe they're entitled to sex. I think what happens here is that someone like Eliot Rogers writes a manifesto and women see it and then project his ideas on everyone. Same will incels that write hateful things online. But for the most part, most men don't feel entitled. Actually, if they get sex they're more likely to feel lucky, at least at first. Anyway, speaking for myself, I've absolutely NEVER felt entitled - possibly had to do with growing up in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 06:00 PM
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"What would make the women here want to be with us?" As if I would change who I am for someone else? This question is a little worrisome as it is. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way but it indicates that you'd be willing to change who you are in order to meet some other person's ideal. Don't do that, ever. I'm MGTOW and I know you don't want to hear from me, but just a cautionary note. Again, maybe you didn't mean it they way it looks but being something for someone else instead of yourself is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 05:50 PM
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I would never be BB to anyone. I live alone, stay independent, and date on my own terms. As a MGTOW I would never marry or live with anyone or agree to provide for and take care of another man's kids. That's his job.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 05:30 PM
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Generally speaking, yes. A man will be ignored his whole life until he becomes independent and successful in his own right. Then women will be interested in the finished product. But it's only a generality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 05:27 PM
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Totally agree.
/r/MGTOW205/03/20 05:24 PM
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The old adage once a cheater always a cheater is true in many cases. Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:33 PM
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How is this garbage? It's very logical and pragmatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:31 PM
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It's bad when either person does it because you're hurting and/or disrespecting the other person when you do it and would rather cheat than address the issue and either fix it or break up. It's never ok. I personally would never take a cheater back and recommend that to my friends because once the trust is gone there is really no coming back from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:29 PM
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If the sex was good then maybe for a little while, but not long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:24 PM
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I've never done OLD. Never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:20 PM
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Props for the honesty and confirmation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:16 PM
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Well, FDS are just a bunch of miserable haters, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:14 PM
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Very eloquent, but no. And even if what you think the tests are concluding WAS true, tough nuts. This is the world now and it will change again. And just because porn in the past wasn't HD doesn't mean it couldn't have the same impact. We've had porn for years in whatever form, so saying it's different now because of HD is just terrible. It's here to stay and if it's really having an impact then it's just one more thing that couples will have to navigate together. It's just not a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:11 PM
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I think you don't even go on a date until you're both pretty serious already. That is, there should be meet-ups for coffee and other activities that are low cost. Walks in the park or a dog walk, a coffee, where there is no expectation because both people don't even know if they are interested. Dates shouldn't really happen until after some serious vetting through those types of activities first. If I asked someone on a date after that then I would expect to pay, but if there was no offer to at …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 08:43 PM
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Not needed so far but always good to know.
/r/MGTOW203/03/20 08:34 PM
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No. Get rid of her. That's absolutely NOT normal and from what you describe, it's at such an extreme with her that she is likely not going to change. Sounds like she suffers from extreme paranoia. Set your boundaries and if she can't hold to them, it's time to break it off, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 07:00 PM
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Interesting insight on the the 12 step process. Thanks.
/r/MGTOW203/03/20 06:55 PM
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Since the 70's, yes. We always had condoms and other options but I don't think it was considered 'normal' until after that. So for humans, recreational sex is relatively new, IMO. But I'm sure there are other points in history we could point to as well that would indicate another point of reference that put us on the path.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 06:51 PM
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Which is terrible because to me, the core of MGTOW has nothing to do with women but with how society views and uses men. MGTOW may inform decisions that men need to make regarding women, but it's absolutely not about women. Yes, we need to understand female behavior so that we can make the best decisions for ourselves, but too much time is spent focused on women, especially in r/MGTOW, that it takes away from what men should be doing regardless.
/r/MGTOW203/03/20 06:42 PM
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"Men are hypergamous too and act upon it when they can." Which for men is seldom to never? So, that's why hypergamy is so closely associated with women. Even if men do it, as a practical matter, it's just not going to be associated with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 10:19 PM
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If anyone is going to lead a life of 'trading up' then they should just accept that about themselves and not leave damage in their wake with bad decisions, like getting married. If you know you're the kind of person that is likely to trade up, then do everyone a favor and don't make the relationship official in the eyes of the state. And really, making a person work hard sucking their resources dry before moving on is just a crappy thing to do. It may be natural, but you don't have to act on tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 10:15 PM
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The anger might be misplaced but it doesn't really matter. The point is to get over it and understand female behavior for what it is, and understand how society and the social dynamic is, and how you navigate it as an RP dude. Once men get through the RP rage, they're more than half way to a better life. It is not productive to direct anger and Chad, or women, or whomever. Get through the phase and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 10:07 PM
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If one is not careful than the one can beget the other. Not worth going there to begin with, but I understand what you're saying. And if that's all r/MGTOW was then a lot of us wouldn't be banned for calling out bigoted comments and behavior.
/r/MGTOW202/03/20 10:02 PM
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Yep, but more young women out-earn you men, so..............
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 09:32 PM
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If we let them have the narrative then yes. But fulfilling their prophecy for them is stupid, IMO. r/MGTOW is a flat out hateful sub. We don't need hate as part of MGTOW. And MGTOW should not exclude any man no matter his political notions be they Marxism, Capitalism, Socialism, etc. Being MGTOW may seem contradictory to Marxism, I get that, but ultimately it needs to stay a-political because every man, no matter his beliefs, would benefit from a MGTOW lifestyle under whatever form of government…
/r/MGTOW202/03/20 09:30 PM
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Exactly this. I agree.
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 11:08 PM
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I agree. "Real" MGTOW is about so many other things than hating women. Actually, it's really not about women at all. It informs men about decisions in life relating to women (i.e. don't get married or live with anyone), but it's not about women. Sure, it's always good to understand female behavior and sexual strategy, but that's not MGTOW. Somewhere along the line the whole point of going MGTOW, which early on was called 'Going Gault', in reference to an Ayn Rand character that chose to recede f…
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 09:49 PM
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Can't argue. That said, if you can buck the trend as a man, things look good because you've automatically differentiated yourself and are part of a minority that is sought after, which is a situation that can be leverage for benefit. Being a successful and independent man can pay huge dividends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:11 PM
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Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:07 PM
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I think the phenomena has always been there it's just exacerbated with a lot of the dating scene moving online. I can definitely see why a lot of men wouldn't bother trying to meet anyone any more. More men living alone and not being connected to their communities as a result is never usually a good thing for society in general. Fun times ahead! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 09:00 PM
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Yes, MGTOW1 is a hate group giving MGTOWs a bad name. It's why they got quarantined and why MGTOW that don't hate women come to MGTOW2 sub.
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 08:54 PM
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I guess I haven't noticed enough of those things to have it make a difference in how I see things. Yes, MGTOW communities exist but for the most part it represents a sliver of the overall male population. I could be wrong. I hope that the next few generations of men have more RP and MGTOW awareness to not buy into the social contract that most of us got sucked into.
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 08:42 PM
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Interesting. I've never used it. I prefer meeting people in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 08:38 PM
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We have to accept that that will never happen in our lifetimes, IMO. Our lives and feelings will never matter as far as society is concerned, which is why we have to strive for our own selves. The reality is that for men, help is never coming. There is no cavalry over the next hill. It's just you and only you when something goes wrong. So we have to recognize that and always put ourselves and our on priorities and needs first, because if we don't, nobody else will. That said, the reality is kind…
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 07:00 PM
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F'ing great post. Keep on with the focus on yourself and your own needs and priorities. The success you'll achieve will move you past most of the people you know. You'll be WAY ahead of the pack and recognized by the few, quality people that are succeeding at your level. Always be making improvements and progression in all aspects of life - personal, professional, physical, mental, emotional and never forget financial. If you have goals set in these areas and are continually striving, you won't …
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 06:53 PM
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Which is why MGTOW is so important. I think it was Warren Farrell who mentioned for the first time that men are disposable as far as society is concerned. Every man needs to internalize this reality and adjust their lives accordingly after thinking about that. And when they do, the logical conclusion is a MGTOW life.
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 06:40 PM
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Most young women have it way easier in the dating market. They show up at the frat party when their in high school, and let the men do all the work trying to get to know them. It's pretty much life on easy mode, to use a video game term. 17 boys from high school wouldn't be allowed in, and even if they were, very few 17 y/o have the confidence to prevail in such an environment. Also, more than half of 17 y/o young men have not developed physically. It could be until they're 24 or so before their…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 06:36 PM
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I think it's fine, and he should know that she's clean as well. They could both get tested together and if they're both negative, let the party begin!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 06:28 PM
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Totally support this. If you golf, there is usually a men's club at the local course and other clubs you can probably find that are centered around other activities. These are also good options.
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 05:51 PM
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Is every girl on Tinder looking for a hookup? Because if they're not, then it makes sense for guys to swipe on everybody because they don't know who's really there for that purpose vs who's there using the app to stroke their ego, or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 05:36 PM
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I think that the reason there is even such a concept as 'the wall' is that most men are not suitable mates. That is, more and more are less successful and are not good choices for women, who graduate at much higher rates and are more employable at higher wages than men now. So statistically, if a woman doesn't find a LTR by 30, it will be harder for her post 30. It doesn't mean she can't, if she's more attractive than most of her friends then it won't impact her, but it will impact women in gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 05:01 PM
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"Because nearly every guy on tinder is just looking for NSA sex" Well, isn't that what Tinder is for? I've heard it described as a hookup app. So if women are not wanting to hookup, why are they there? I'm not on the app but that's how it's been described to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 04:49 PM
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Been in LTR for a while now, so no. But I know what I see, especially through relationships that my friends have had.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 03:51 PM
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Thanks for the candor. I wouldn't date you, all things being equal, because of your views, so I would disqualify you as much as you would disqualify me, but I like the honesty. Most women want the double standard but are afraid to admit it. Props to you for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:23 PM
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Hypergamy confirmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:19 PM
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Good luck with your simp. LOL I would never want to demonstrate that I'm a good provider on a first date, that would just make my resources a target for someone like you. First dates should be about seeing if there is a connection. You are going into it like a job interview. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:17 PM
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Great post. I pretty much endorse most, if not all of your assertions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:14 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:09 PM
1

That's called dodging a bullet. All the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:08 PM
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Yes, in general terms. Women don't date down. They want a partner that makes as much as they do or more which is basic hypergamy. And a lot women would rather be alone than settle for less than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:55 PM
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It's true and to add to that I think that the AFBB cycle is artificially long because it's starts early and a lot of young men learn to emulate alpha traits in order to get with young women because they see what young women are choosing for sex. As time goes by, women start to change what they choose, but they've already conditioned a percentage of men to be what they used to choose. Those men don't change back, necessarily. Most of what men do when they are young is based on what they see women…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:49 PM
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So you take the position that you know their lives better than they do, up to and including complete strangers giving statements about their experiences in articles online? Nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:36 PM
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Yes, it's all probability. So probability decreases over time but it doesn't mean it's not possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 03:34 PM
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Water is wet, for anyone out there that didn't know that either. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 11:11 PM
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More and more governments will subsidize women for having children which will put added tax pressure on the workforce.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 11:06 PM
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As a MGTOW, something to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 11:01 PM
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I think it comes down to procreation. The high SMV male can get partners as easy as his mate can, which means he's more confident that the kids she will have are his, because if she's unfaithful, he has as many options as her to choose from, or more than the average man. So she has to show value by being faithful more. Not necessarily the case for lower value men, who then value more prudish women, in theory. This is opinion only, in an attempt to answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 10:59 PM
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As compared to men? No. IMO you are seeing women willing to talk about it at least, which men don't do. So men in those situations are not even providing themselves support networks to cope. Women bounce back way quicker and easier, IMO, exceptions notwithstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 10:53 PM
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You are exactly right. If you're going to get married as a man, and I don't recommend it, then it is best not to do so until your late 30's to early 40's. Young men make the mistake of marrying the first woman who shows interest and sell out for an LTR before they hit their prime. It is much better, as you say, for men to be independent and establish themselves in their community, and then play the field. They are more in demand at that point, and don't have to settle for this first thing that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 10:50 PM
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Great post. The fact that you are so self aware and/or willing to understand yourself better means you will likely be very successful. A lot of people don't want to look inward and then wonder why so many aspects of their life aren't working. Props to you.
/r/MGTOW226/02/20 10:43 PM
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I think the study refers to not ugly for starters, but recognizes that the hotter the guy, the more sacrifices in personality women are willing to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 10:39 PM
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This definitely interesting and if these findings are more or less confirmed, then it makes sense for people to care about their partner's n count. We typically shame people for caring, but it's possible that if you want a successful marriage that you choose someone with a lower n count. For a lot of people, especially men, IMO, there is something instinctual about not wanting a high n count partner for a marriage. I think that for the most part it comes down to wanting to know that as a man, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 09:47 PM
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I think the reality is somewhere in between. For all of your anecdotes there are plenty of articles about 30ish women looking for men and not finding any. I heard a quote the other day from a woman in this situation that went, and I'm paraphrasing: "Dating in your 30is is basically waiting for the good ones to get divorced." Now, you pretty much have conflated relationships with sex and for that I would agree. If a woman in her 30's just wants sex then of course, there will always be someone sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 09:38 PM
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Totally agree. Marriage is not necessary any more. It's not worth it and is not a requirement for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 09:28 PM
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Women filter for looks before personality just like men do. Physical attraction is a basic element for most relationships. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqB9vhR5bJc
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 09:26 PM
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"And when chicks do put out quickly, and it turns out badly for them, they’re told it’s their own fault for not waiting." Chicks don't 'put out' just for the sake of it, like they're doing it as a favor to the male population or something. They do it because they're attracted to the guy, whatever the future consequences may be. "These same dudes will bang on about how women should vet for better men, but dating someone is how you vet them" No, different dudes who are not attractive to women in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 09:22 PM
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It is kind of insulting to those people, yes. It's better to take people at their word instead of re-interpreting what they said to fit your own narrative, IMO. Not that I don't understand what you're saying, I do, but in reading your comments I was reminder of a fluff piece I read about a woman who admitted that her husband was a better spouse and parent than her, did more work, stayed home with the kids, etc..., to the point where she resented him even more. She cheated on him because he made …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 09:15 PM
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Here's an article done on a study in the UK on 11k adults, but there are other studies confirming the phenomenon. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/women-get-bored-sex-long-term-relationships/582736/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:47 PM
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So you're saying it's because they are doing more work in the relationship despite them not saying that? Uhm, ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:43 PM
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Meeting in person is still best. You want to make sure you're not being misled by old photos on line or anything. But yes, that works too, if people are into that. Most people don't like talking on phones any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:41 PM
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Their partner turns into a friend, or brother, basically. They 'love' them that way but not romantically or intimately. Over time, that kind of love dissipates. It fast for some, slower for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 05:36 PM
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It's not a generalization. Data does show that women lose attraction for the spouse/SOs at a much faster rate than do men for the spouse/SOs. When attraction goes, so does being 'in love' with that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 10:08 PM
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You can love someone, like your mother, father, brother, sister, friend, but not BE in love with them. From the way you've described your relationship, you're IN LOVE with that person. Pretty simple distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 10:06 PM
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Sad really, but there is truth to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 10:03 PM
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At the risk of being controversial, I think TRP recognizes that women often 'settle' for men they don't love as long as those men provide in other ways. This is especially if the woman has kids and could use the help raising them financially and logistically. Men are less likely to settle on that basis are are more into if for love. They 'settle' more for whomever they can get, but end up loving that person for the attention being provided, not necessarily knowing that the person they're with re…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 10:02 PM
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Exactly. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:53 PM
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That's because divorce is a raw deal for men, so cheating makes sense. Better to live apart and never marry, that keeps the relationship on a voluntary basis from both sides, which keeps the relationship fresh. Nothing is taken for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:52 PM
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But I have noticed that men seem to “understand” that the honeymoon stage dies down and are completely happy with that. Until they're not, like when the woman wants to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:50 PM
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It sounds like these men are putting the labor in as well, it's just not working. This is why it's better to never get married or live together. That way, when the spark goes out, people can just move on, no hard feelings, no courts, etc......
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:49 PM
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I have better things to do than to perform for some 'possible' relationship material. I'll work out because it benefits me personally. The rest, no thanks, I'm not a monkey, but then I'm MGTOW and pretty much have relationships with women on my terms only or not at all. I guess that's 'abundance mentality' but who's keeping track?
/r/TheRedPill25/02/20 09:47 PM
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I've never feared bonding because that's what people do. But living separately and never getting married keeps that bond fresh. It forces both people to put as much as possible into the relationship to keep it a success. So I don't get panicked, I see the bond as a byproduct of a healthy relationship between two independent people who don't take each other for granted because they're not living together. I know that doesn't help your situation, but it should not be a panic inducing threat, it sh…
/r/MGTOW225/02/20 05:44 PM
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Exactly this. Take a walk int he park and have a cup of coffee somewhere. That's a first date. Low investment with conversation to see if it's even worth it. After that, more low investment activities together before anything serious. An actual 'date' where someone pays for something other than a 3 dollar cup of plain coffee shouldn't happen for quite some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 05:36 PM
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Not my experience, but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:46 PM
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As a MGTOW I just want to clarify that it has nothing to do with hate and anger, and more to do with living a life for the self, and especially for mitigating the negative impact(s) society poses to you because you are a man, especially when it comes to workplace law, DV law, divorce and family courts, university tribunals (Title IX), sentencing, and so on. It is dispassionate, pragmatic, and logical, not personal. It is simply bachelorhood -which men have chosen for decades - with a few refinem…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:33 PM
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Generally men are not angry, so the whole premise is faulty. Secondly, Chad turns out to be a lesser man in a lot of cases as well. He's good enough to fuck but women understand that they'll have a harder time keeping him around. Lastly, more and more men don't admit defeat, they set out to become better because they realize that a woman's attention is not the goal. The goal is to invest in one's self and achieve in their own right. Once they understand that a woman's inattention is not a sign o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:19 PM
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It's a suggestion by the researchers to not watch porn but sorry, it does not show causation which is why they characterize the condition as unexplained. Men have been watching porn for decades. Not going to read it because your description reveals the truth of what I've been saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 09:07 PM
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Disagree. Genetics is a huge part of attractiveness. Youth and health are the two primary criteria, along with genetics, that cross all cultures in regards to beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:52 PM
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Historically speaking, in looking at mitochondrial dna, about 40 percent of men and over 60 percent of women have procreated. So women still have it much easier, even when trying to find partners that are acceptable. Women still have the advantage. Some will choose cats and netflix but others choose to share males that they are attracted to. No, procreation isn't the only measure, but it illustrates the reality of the dating situation better than your analogies as it usually requires long term c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:36 PM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 06:16 PM
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Yes, yes, and yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 08:32 PM
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All true and basically to my point. Yes, even "alphas" will settle down. But not necessarily as they have in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 08:31 PM
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Yeah, that's kinda my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 08:30 PM
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So you should be asking incels then. Men don't think this is shocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 06:16 PM
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Generally speaking, the theory goes that women are intensely competitive. This part I've witnessed to be true. They also like to use sex to manipulate men. Less true, but whatever. So if other women sleep around with all the men, then the price of sex drops and the men are less controlled by any one woman. Relationships mean less to men because they don't have to be in one in order to have sex, which is their preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 06:12 PM
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Can you explain why you think it's 'shocking'? I really don't understand why you think this. Women like good looking men because women are attracted to good looking men. This is just not shocking. The premise for this question is false, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 06:05 PM
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On number 2 I would say that after making something of themselves, more men are not going for the marriage and relationship thing. Being 'alpha', as you say, is just boring and one dimensional. Men are realizing that it's much better to become something, not for women, but for themselves. And so when women come along once those men are successful, those men are now just staying single. Why not? That's what 'alphas' do, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 06:03 PM
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Thank you. Was thinking the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 03:42 PM
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Agreed. It's been a slow decline for 50 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 03:38 PM
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And it makes it real easy for a woman to abandon the family, or just the father. Not having a marriage makes things more equal for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 11:52 PM
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A stable environment can be had without marriage. I referred to happiness in response to your comment "Well, we sort of are and with it we have growing rates of misery, mental illness, etc.", which makes it sound like marriages are a source of happiness in and of themselves that protects against these things, which I disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 11:51 PM
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Exactly!! THIS.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 11:46 PM
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Great post! LOL. Agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 11:45 PM
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Agreed. "just dating", IMO, is not the CC. I was responding to OP's use of the CC term for how a portion of young women supposedly are riding the CC in college and justifiably so for the reasons given.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 11:40 PM
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Marriages don't make you happy. You either are or aren't so I agree that philosophy or religion, self improvement, self confidence, training in skills, is the better way to happiness. But I don't think a significant other or spouse can be a source of happiness, that's putting too much on others for your own situation, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 11:37 PM
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That's pretty much what's happening now, yes. Less couples are getting married and there have never been more children born out of wedlock since traditional marriage was a thing. Again, it doesn't offer you anything that you can't have without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 07:00 PM
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You are doing a great service to many man. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:58 PM
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Not necessarily with the conclusion, no. If a woman in a marriage freezes out her husband on the sex then she's not in control of his commitment. He'll likely come to resent her and cheat and the marriage will be dissolved. At least if he's smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:38 PM
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Yes, everyone, especially men, but everyone. It's no longer needed/necessary, and only makes things worse for everyone when it doesn't work out. The only people that love it are divorce lawyers who make a killing on what financial value the relationship still has. And they're sure to grab at as much as possible before sending each person on their way. Let's get rid of it forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:34 PM
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The better thing to do is not get married in the first place. Then you don't have to have that discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:31 PM
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On the whole I think they are both bad, or have negative connotations. I'm not sure why you would think that polygyny is more acceptable, except maybe in Utah. I hear that they are decriminalizing it. But no, I think that both are look on with suspicion. That said, in PPD/TRP discussions hypergamy is talked about much more because it informs men about female nature and what men should do to protect themselves from being used that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:23 PM
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The same women complaining dated guys 4 years older than them in their teens and twenties because those guys were 'more mature.' Blah blah. I had several exes that dated older guys when they were young. They can't blame other women for making the same choices, it's just that hypocritical. As we all age, things change a little but the trend has always been that women date older and that men date young, statistically. There are always exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:17 PM
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All the more reason for MGTOW. I hope this is sinking in with men these days. Marriage is a raw deal, for everyone, but especially men if the divorce machine gets cranked up. Best to never go down that path. There is nothing that marriage can offer that you can't already have without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:11 PM
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Ultimately women want successful guys. And the college environment is primarily women on campus as men are outnumbered, sometimes up to 60 women to 40 men on some campuses. This creates an imbalance that is advantageous for men on campus. So women on campus have more competition with other women for the same guys. "They probably could make these guys wait for commitment, but they don’t know that they have that power." When guys enjoy a statistical imbalance then they are less likely to 'commit.'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 06:07 PM
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I wouldn't know because I've never had to buy sperm. Good joke though, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were actually true. Sperm banks aim to please and if that's what the 'customer' wants, well, 'the customer is always right.' LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 12:22 AM
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LOL. I didn't have to read the links because I specifically asked for causation and not correlation, because correlation is not proof of ANY thing. It's mentioned TWICE in the first line of your PROOF. "Studies show that it doesn’t even have to be an addiction, hours of porn use is correlated with lower functional connectivity between the striatum and the prefrontal cortex, and less gray matter volume in the brain. Hours of porn use is also correlated with low sexual desire, low arousal, sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 12:21 AM
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Their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 12:16 AM
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I think a lot of women will choose to have sex with a 'high value' man, as in good looking, and have a family on their own. Or buy sperm from a high value man so they don't have to deal with custody, etc....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 08:57 PM
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If all men were as desperate for easy sex this alleged global change would have happened already with the aforementioned things. Maybe, but maybe not. Technology is causing dramatic changes to our culture every day. It's possible that this will be as you say, but it remains to be seen. One thing is certain, culture, society, and especially laws have failed to keep up with innovation. Should be interesting to watch either way!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:19 PM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:15 PM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:15 PM
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Already porn has been scientifically proven to have negative long term effects for men and has been the cause for a rise in violence against women and children. There is actually no data to support the cause/effect assertion you're making here. Please share. Not opinion, data. And not correlation but causation. This is bunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:14 PM
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Fact of the matter is that the men who will use sex bots are invisible already, so women won’t even notice them gone About 85% of men are already invisible to women, so, not much change there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:12 PM
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Hey, if that's how they wanna roll, who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:10 PM
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Didn't some dude in Japan marry an AI?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:08 PM
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Or just having families on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:07 PM
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As a dude I can say that validation has never entered my mind when having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:04 PM
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I've read that brothels using sexbots or dolls see as much business going to those products than to live women (somewhere in Europe, I don't remember, where prostitution is legal). That's just scary to me, that dudes would prefer that to being with someone real. But whatever floats your boat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 07:02 PM
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Enter feminists fighting for robot rights [here]. LOL But I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 06:59 PM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 08:50 PM
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Pretty much confirms that they are haters, which, IMO, they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 08:41 PM
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Great post. I agree. MGTOW is important. It does nobody any good if it's co-opted by a bunch of bigots.
/r/MGTOW213/02/20 06:23 PM
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Most guys don't share with anyone that they are MGTOW/RP, but I also don't think it's wrong if you see a situation like the one you describe. I would say that the best thing to do is to not force it or evangelize too much. Just describe what it is in your own life that makes you so happy, how you achieved it, and the philosophy that informed your own choices that made you successful. It's up to others to go on their own journey and/or they own individualized version of MGTOW. All you can do is s…
/r/MGTOW212/02/20 09:29 PM
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Goal: Become one of the the 'naturally elite.' Me likey.
/r/MGTOW212/02/20 09:22 PM
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They're transphobic, homophobic, sexist, etc......... They can't outright say that but they adhere to hateful ideas pretty firmly, IMO. The thing is, MGTOW can do so much good for men, especially young men, that it doesn't need the bigoted element to be important in a man's life. Ultimately, they're giving true MGTOW a bad name.
/r/MGTOW212/02/20 09:11 PM
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Totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 09:06 PM
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Testosterone is definitely a large contributing component.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 05:50 PM
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You are doing the right thing for your situation, IMO. Disregard the shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 05:47 PM
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Lot of MGTOW still date, they just don't move in with or marry anyone. They're still human and require connection. So,....no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 12:05 AM
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No, that's the message that society has fed women. While I agree, this doesn't change that men were fed the same lie. As a man I can tell you that never, and I mean never, was the prevailing attitude conveyed to us that we should all be perennial bachelors. That is completely false. But I do agree that more men should take that route.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 12:00 AM
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I think men are learning to be much happier on their own. Society has spoon fed them the idea that they can't be happy without women, but that is slowly changing. "Women will get pregnant on their own if they really want it." That's fine, but they should really just buy sperm so that some man somewhere isn't forced into having a family that they don't want and can't afford, with a woman who doesn't love him or would ever marry him. Best to make it official so that everyone knows she's going it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 09:26 PM
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they were sent their own way. Yes, typically after the divorce, alimony, and custody hearings. That is, they had no problem dating women, it's what happened afterward that informed their MGTOW lifestyle. You're insinuating that MGTOW are incels, and nothing could be further from the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 09:22 PM
1

What have other gay/bi men told you about bi men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 09:11 PM
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Simple as that, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 09:10 PM
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I think that is going to be what happens more and more. Women choosing to get pregnant on their own and having families on their own as men become less and less interested in having families.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 09:00 PM
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If they're happy, there's no problem. We all have to learn to be happy when things don't go as planned.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 03:58 PM
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Agree, but who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 03:50 PM
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I agree. Everyone should be independent, doing their own thing, and not looking for happiness through someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 03:49 PM
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If there aren't enough good men to go around then yes, you don't have to compromise, but I sense that going it alone is not the first choice for a lot of women from OPs statement. So that means a portion of women will have to accept a sub optional lifestyle from how they thought they were going to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 03:42 PM
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Whenever I go out I see at least one or more tables that have just women. So I see what you're seeing. I think men do the same thing, they're just out golfing or fishing or something. So it may just be something that has always been there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 03:03 PM
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Speak for yourself. There have been millions of men who've chosen to live out happy, bachelor lives, without the need to procreate by choice. It's an imperative for you maybe, but it really doesn't mean anything when you think about it. It's more of a biological urge that has ensured more babies are born every year. But as men, it's really not the way to go and a portion of men have always seen that and have chosen not to participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 02:49 PM
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We're not there yet but that doesn't mean that today's generations of men have to be compliant with the expectations of society either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 06:06 PM
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Yeah, be careful there. It usually doesn't work.
/r/MGTOW210/02/20 06:03 PM
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That's why I'm here, correct. One thing that I did like on MGTOW1, before I got banned, was that everyone once in while there was collaboration, advice, and support of each other. Also, I like seeing what guys did on the weekend, projects they finished, hobbies, destinations shared. That part was positive.
/r/MGTOW210/02/20 06:02 PM
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It sounds pretty good. Let it play out and see what happens. Just don't ever get married or move in together. It presents way too much risk for you, and besides, that's when things start to go stale because you're living together and take each other for granted, let yourselves go physically, etc... Otherwise, you might be on to a good thing.
/r/MGTOW207/02/20 10:13 PM
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I haven't seen many hate posts, at least that I can remember, but if you do, let's report them to the mods. We need to keep this sub clean.
/r/MGTOW207/02/20 10:10 PM
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"happiness doesn’t come from a significant other, but rather from yourself deep within." Yep. Reconsider the marriage thing but great post.
/r/MGTOW207/02/20 10:09 PM
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I understand the sentiment but still don't know if I agree. Society has basically pushed men into considering MGTOW as a way of life. Truly, every man should be MGTOW as the decision to marry and have a family is so damaging and unrewarding for most men, especially those in divorce or those that are BP that agree to marry someone who doesn't really love them or is attracted to them and whose kids you have to take care of to boot. The problem is, if every man were MGTOW society would crumble from…
/r/MGTOW207/02/20 10:04 PM
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Doing your taxes, I see. Not going to happen and I think it offers plenty of opportunity for fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 09:56 PM
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I think it's derogatory and disrespectful as a term.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 09:52 PM
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I'm ignoring your facts because they aren't facts, they're anecdotes. And I can understand how you'd be convinced that such anecdotes are proof of your assertions, but they're simply not. It still doesn't explain the systems in place that consistently give women a pass. More women win custody, less women are imprisoned for the same crimes, no women are arrested for 'rape' but for some lessor charge, etc... And it all goes back to my original assertion of granting women 'good' status by default w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 09:43 PM
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I find it just as amusing seeing women telling men how what 'real men' are, ect..... Definitely a disconnection on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 05:50 PM
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There are MGTOW on all of those subs you've mentioned that are very happy and are not hateful. Actually, r/MGTOW2 has rules against hate speech for women or anyone else. So yes, you can always point to someone who's angry and has failed to move on, but most MGTOW are extremely happy and don't hold resentment or animosity for others, myself included. Edit: r/MGTOW2
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 05:44 PM
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Why are you so angry? Anthony and Argento are 'individual' women who've proven untrustworthy, as stated. And I'm referring to developed, Westernized societies that most of us live in, not the Islamic State. The abuse was both physical AND verbal in the example given. It's not only just a double standard, it's one that demonstrates the cultural conditioning to which I refer that you cannot refute. I appreciate the work you put in to give your many examples, but those examples are merely leafs on …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 05:39 PM
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You should. But if you get pregnant by Chad then don't make some other simp pay for your kid, make sure it's Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 03:57 PM
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Great post and I agree that a vast majority of men don't hug or show affection to anyone but their wives or gfs, or kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 03:52 PM
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Ever see the social experiments where two actors, man and woman, fight in public? If the man is the aggressor and is being abusive, people step in, as they should. Nobody should be abused. However, when the woman is the abuser, people assume she has good reason for being upset and they don't intervene, even when she is displaying ultra toxic behavior. They almost always give her the benefit of the doubt. This attitude permeates across many cultural lines. Yes, an individual woman can demonstrate…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 03:42 PM
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So you sound angry and unwilling to be open to understanding what other people are saying. As a guy, this is my lived experience. But please, go ahead and womansplain to us all how it is growing up as a man in this society. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 09:01 PM
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I'm not going to explain. But when I say that comments are about even, that means about 50/50. I think that 50% is a lot, if you don't, then yay!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 08:58 PM
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MGTOW are MGTOW precisely because they had no problem getting with women and have learned how screwed they were after making bad decisions relating to women. At least in part. Younger MGTOW have learned from them and vow to not make the mistakes of prior generations. Some go monk after dating, and some continue to date in a serial monogamy fashion. Incels are spurned by women.
/r/MGTOW206/02/20 06:06 PM
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While you might be able to point out a few anomalies in pop culture, politics, and the work environment, it doesn't make up for everyone young man being indoctrinated in the thinking that women are special, better, more virtuous, etc... When boys are taught 'never hit a girl' or 'open doors for them' 'give up your coat for them', kneel in front of them to propose, blah blah. The underlying message to all of it is that women are special, better, more virtuous. Just look at sentencing standards. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 05:52 PM
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As marriage is declining these businesses will be looking for new opportunities to sell crap that nobody needs. I suspect it won't be long before they start advertising to women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 05:38 PM
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We all want what we can't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 05:36 PM
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I knew you were going to focus on some turn of phrase in order to avoid the larger point. Thanks for being so predictable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 05:10 PM
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No idea. I only see people on subs saying that they're a monk or they're not. It's about even but that's anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 11:05 PM
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Good response.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 10:13 PM
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If it works for you then go for it. Personally, making somebody wait doesn't make YOU a better person to be with. So, sorry, I just think that's arbitrary. I wouldn't wait 6 months and I'm fine with who I am and if a person couldn't determine that for 6 months and just made me wait because, rules, then I wouldn't respect them. So you may be missing out on some great people because your grandma told you something that maybe was true 50 years ago but, IMO, is not great advice for today. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 10:10 PM
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MGTOW is about mitigating the risk(s) that society poses to you because you are a man. It means making pragmatic, logical choices that reduce risk, two of which are not living with or marrying anyone. Not due to hate but due to how society can preside over the dissolution of that relationship and level hyper punitive judgements that usually result in one party being made to take most of the responsibility. This happens in the workplace (#MeToo), Univiersity (Title IX), DV law, Divorce Law and Fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 09:51 PM
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I don't think it has anything to do with looks. Society, in genera and by virtue of that for men, assumes that women are always innocent and generally are above reproach. Men seem to believe the lie. In truth, women lie, cheat, manipulate, abuse (especially mentally and emotionally) as much as men do. Men have a hard time believing women can be anything but good, and it usually completely blindsides them when they learn otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 06:56 PM
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Some survey's show that anything over 10 sexual partners for women results in worse outcomes for marriage, and presumably LTRs. That is, the probability of divorce increases after that number. That said, I'm MGTOW and I'll never get married. So the n count is irrelevant for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 06:51 PM
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I guess I don't understand this fictional person you're thinking of. I'm MGTOW, I have a gf. I don't ruminate in hate for anyone, especially women since I'm hetero. I don't rant about female behavior, etc... Spoiler, MGTOW is not about bigotry and hate. Yes, guys get angry, but it's usually a phase. And why do you care? Your whole post is an excuse to punch down on guys you already resent for their lessor existence than your own. Don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back there. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 06:48 PM
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My bad, never mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 06:00 PM
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I think this is a great start. Adding something specific about no hating or bigotry of any kind for any group or community would be good.
/r/MGTOW205/02/20 05:52 PM
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A couple of years is big, statistically. Which means that the trend is heavily skewed to women dating men who are older. Enough to have the average be a couple of years or more means that women tend to marry older men, and for the average to be even 2 to 3 years younger means that some women are marrying men significantly older than themselves. 3+ to 5, or more.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 05:27 PM
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I think there's a much better chance of having sex with attractive (although I'm not sure why you have that as a requirement) women when they are seen as a catch for fatherhood and marriage. That said, fatherhood and marriage are disadvantageous to men, IMO, so I would never recommend marriage. Also, as older and more established men, they are attractive to younger women as well as attractive and moderate looking women. So they should leverage that dynamic the way that women leverage their looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 04:15 PM
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Are they the actual fathers? But if the men you saw are in their 30's and 40's then yes, maybe there is some of that. It would be better for those guys, if they actually looked as good as you say, to stay single and enjoy their time in the dating market while they're seen as a good catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 03:48 PM
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Which is why more men, including high wage earners, should be MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 03:45 PM
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"They seem to feel a disgust for these women VERY similar to what women feel for “betas”" So this is confirmation that women do, indeed, feel disgust for BP betas. I suppose the only thing that's left is for men and women to continue to treat each other with contempt. What a wonderful world we live in now. As to your question, I think a lot of men would like and appreciate 'good' girls, but to your admission, but as most of them are probably BP betas, what good does that get them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 11:58 PM
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What discourse on women makes for a better MGTOW?
/r/MGTOW204/02/20 11:53 PM
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I think that marriage as an institution is past its time and therefore I'm against it. There is data now that shows a correlation between higher n count for women and divorce. The magic number is 10. Anything over that for women and the probability for divorce goes up, at least since 2000. It was not the case before that, according to the data. A person's sexual past is private to each person, and a prospective spouse doesn't need to know graphic detail about sexual escapades, but I think that f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 08:48 PM
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And the ones that go to jail are 99% men. And the ones that get arrested by the cops, 90% or more are men, even when they are the victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 08:29 PM
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My affinity for MGTOW has nothing to do with women, nor should it. It's about living a lifestyle that mitigates the risks that society poses to you, as a man. So the premise of your question shows a base misunderstanding of what MGTOW is about at its core. Now MGTOW does inform decisions related to women, not getting married or living with them, but again, that's not because of AWALT, but because choosing to do that invites the state into the relationship and preside over the dissolution of the …
/r/MGTOW204/02/20 08:26 PM
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There have been studies that show that students that do well in high school sometimes do not do well in college because the work that they were doing in high school was not for them but for their parents. Once they leave the house there is less oversight for pushing you to perform in things you don't care about. First, find your purpose. Find what it is that you have passion around and that makes you happy. If you can identify that, then you'll hopefully see your dedication and motivation come b…
/r/MGTOW204/02/20 07:02 PM
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If we are all relentlessly pursuing our goals and dreams then the is no boredom because, in theory, we're doing what we love. So finding purpose is the most important thing, followed by pursuing excellence personally, professionally, physically, financially, emotionally, mentally. If we're doing that then I think there are plenty of challenges to overcome, battles to win, enemies to conquer, so to speak....... :)
/r/MGTOW204/02/20 06:51 PM
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I have a gf too and on r/MGTOW it's perceived as a bad thing. WTF? I live alone, I like people, I just protect myself from the risks that society poses to me because I'm a man. Hate is just not part of the equation. I get that people go through RP rage and that it may be a necessary phase for some guys, but it seems like everyone in r/MGTOW got stuck in that phase and all of their decisions in life are informed by anger and hate. No thank you.
/r/MGTOW204/02/20 06:47 PM
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Totally agree. Being alone is the best. I'm basically my own favorite person so I don't need to seek happiness from outside of myself. We should all strive for that. I like human contact too, but on my own terms and in small amounts. The rest of the time, I'm on my own schedule. Great post!
/r/MGTOW204/02/20 06:43 PM
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I think that in general, Reddit is too censorious of ideas. Our whole world now, seems to be based on right/wrong think and if you hold a minority view on something based on lived experiences that go against the accepted group think, then you get censored. That said, I don't feel sorry for r/MGTOW. They express too much hate for women and other groups. That is not what MGTOW should be about. It should be for every man because it is beneficial to their overall well-being and long term prospects a…
/r/MGTOW204/02/20 06:36 PM
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Sounds like you're already ready to move on. I'm seeing red flags already.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 06:32 PM
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A serious hit to his reputation is worth millions in movie contracts. And anyway, I'm not speaking on just this incident. When it comes to domestic violence perpetrators, it's only men that go to jail. We all know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 06:31 PM
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If it's all an act then I say, stop it. Maybe he's willing to put up with it now 'cuz you're hot' but after a while being hot doesn't keep him from walking away when he's had enough. I've stayed for the sex with hot women for a while until I've had my fill, then I've left. But whatever works. If you're in a relationship, you shouldn't have to be someone you're not just to keep them from leaving. That's not a good basis for a relationship. Hopefully the both of you can just cut the bull crap and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:29 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:15 PM
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LOL, unfortunately there is a lot of truth to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:15 PM
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Sounds like most women will have to settle. In the world you describe, I'd rather be the guy that great looking women have to settle for than be good looking but unable to date my equal in looks. That said, relationships and 'personality' do play a part. There are good looking people that most of us can't stand to be around because they never had to develop a personality, or something. I really don't know the reason. And there are other folks that we all love to be around even though they may no…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:11 PM
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I think it makes you mistrust most humans, including most women. But it also makes you appreciate the precious few people that are worth your time and attention. So I don't see RP men as being beta. Quite the opposite, actually, RP is the first step to freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:04 PM
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The problem with that is that in this society, only one person pays the consequences for their sh*tty behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 02:50 PM
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There's not a need so I'm not sure why they would. Most women get more attention than they need/want. If they are into master manipulation and using people then they'd most likely be like a typical FDS sub subscriber.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 08:48 PM
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Females use one night stands with the best looking guys that they can as validation, which was admitted to by many women on this thread last week, or the week before. So each person is getting something out of it or they wouldn't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 07:00 PM
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Well, if you're married then it's ok to have restrictions, for both people, based on expectations and promises, commitments, going into that marriage. But I really don't think men are trying to restrict women beyond that. That started to change in the 70's and it was clear that we were never going back to the days before that. Maybe some men are pining for the old days, but there are so many distractions for men these days, I don't think that many would choose to go back if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:57 PM
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I do believe that men should have the same reproductive freedom that women have, which means having the right not to be a parent. Check Karen Straughn's YouTube video on 'Legal Paternity Surrender' which would allow for men to decide whether or not to parent a child once the mother decides to have the kid. If this were the case then men wouldn't have to worry about being jailed for non payment. Since so many single parents are being subsidized anyway, it shouldn't be hard for society to formaliz…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:52 PM
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Generally speaking it is looks for having sex with. If that's good, then taking personality comes into it for assessing whether or not an LTR is possible. But sexual attraction is step one. If there is no personality, then it's FWB at best. If the personality connection is good, then it can be more. These are generalities that have been true for me and most of my guy friends. I have had friends that tried to have relationships with beautiful women but who were not very nice, they all failed exce…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:43 PM
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But who cares about 'biological success' any more? Men, and some women choose not to compete but are huge successes in other areas of life. Biological success is bull crap anyway. I mean, if you think you're special because you passed on a few genes to the next generation, great. But it means nothing in the grand scheme of the universe. The human race will end. We are too far from other planets capable of sustaining human life, and humans can't live in space for long periods of time. Eventually,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:31 PM
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It works on any gender, but not for everyone, if that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 06:17 PM
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Bingo!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 10:17 PM
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The instinctual aversion that some men have to a woman with a high n count is not due to economics. It is a thing though. Some men are not interested in the town bicycle. If every man in town has 'been there, done that' then she may be devalued in his mind but it doesn't mean anything beyond his own self imposed perception of value. Men not wanting promiscuous women is a thing though, and if men prefer low n count then they shouldn't be shamed for that preference, just as a woman with a high n c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 10:15 PM
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A vast amount of the r/MGTOW sub were haters, so I actually don't think we'll have to worry about them.
/r/MGTOW231/01/20 10:00 PM
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Yes, because of female/male dynamics. It's less valued by women because they can have it whenever they want it. But that doesn't make it a 'gift' on the part of the woman when she consents to having sex with someone. If any of the women I dated took that attitude about it I would have left them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 09:58 PM
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r/MGTOW promoted the hate of women, which is just not cool. You can be MGTOW for your own needs, benefit, and protection from society and it's laws. Hate means that you care and have resentment. It means that you've given power over to the other person. It's wasted energy. MGTOW is extremely important for young men, but we don't need generations of hateful men, we just need men who understand how society impacts them so that they can mitigate risk.
/r/MGTOW231/01/20 09:55 PM
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No. And it goes both ways. I've never taken a girl back once I've broken up with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 08:01 PM
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It should not be a gift but rather something that two people just do. But some people act as if it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 08:00 PM
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It's possible that the statement only serves at the outset of a relationship. Women have inherent value for a relationship because of their gender, so men approach. If a relationship forms then both people have "do" things in order to make the relationship work. Men, however, have to "do" things before even being considered for a relationship. Women will screw "Chads" but many will not be in LTRs with them. So society bestows more value on women for being born, but reserves bestowing value on me…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 07:55 PM
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I appreciate people based on who they are, not their gender, so I really don't understand the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 07:45 PM
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I don't know but it's more than a quarantine, it's not even there any more.
/r/MGTOW231/01/20 07:39 PM
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Well, I'm not crying that r/MGTOW is gone but I do agree with you. If it's by and for women, society gives you a pass. If it's men getting together and talking like men do, society feels threatened. Reddit and other companies hosting blog sites are surrogates for society's leanings, IMO. So it's no surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 07:37 PM
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I only see it play out every day on mainstream media, but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 07:31 PM
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Oh, that is sad. He should have come and talked to her. I don't respect people who abandoned their pets for crappy reasons like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 07:30 PM
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Feminism is mainstream so it's given a free pass. In the press, media, social media, pop culture, blah blah. Feminism is part of SJW woke-ism and everyone who disagrees with them, no matter how slightly is twitter mobbed, shamed, and virtue signaled against until they apologize and shut up. Force multiplier X10 if the un-woke person is a white male.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 12:18 AM
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When it comes to being right, we all are, aren't we? LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:40 PM
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Men=bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:16 PM
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Worship? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:14 PM
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I don't think so, although I'm sorry to hear about the women you've reference. In general terms, women have support networks to lean on. They get rejected, they have a good cry, maybe therapy, get support from friends, pick themselves up and move on. Most men endure serial rejection on a mass scale. They either overcome it (very few), or they come to resent the process and end up bitter and generally disconnect from society. This may feed anger as well. In the aggregate, the impact on men is mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:48 PM
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I'm willing to with Perel on this one. She's been studying this for years. I understand what you're saying though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:44 PM
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Well, you may be more evolved than most of us. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:42 PM
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Very true. Another reason for men to spurn marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:40 PM
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In just going off of what you're saying and the titles of the articles listed, I do believe Perel, and you. The thing is, at least for men, they think they're getting married for the ONS side of sex, but a lot of them, most of them, are married to women who only see them as an LTR. The men don't find out until they get married, which IMO, is too late. And women lose attraction for men quicker than men do for their wives, especially if the woman only sees him as an LTR. Men are better off never g…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:39 PM
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Great points. Very true.
/r/MGTOW230/01/20 06:29 PM
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I'm more talkative but I respect people that just want to be left alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:28 PM
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Lot of MGTOW are doing quite well. Myself included. r/MGTOW are a bunch of haters and children. I got kicked off of there because I advised against hate of women. They got triggered. r/MGTOW2 is better and sorry, but lot's of MGTOW are, well, winning at life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 10:22 PM
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The sub has a generalized antipathy toward men, mostly hate. If you got something positive out of it, great. It basically exists, IMO, to teach women how to use and manipulate men. Generally speaking that ends up making you a worse person rather than better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 10:09 PM
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Sorry, FDS is just a bunch of haters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 10:03 PM
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As there are only so many subjects to debate on each sub, the conversations are likely to go further afield that just the sub description/definition. It happens in every sub, this one is no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 09:29 PM
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Interesting article. It would be good to understand geographically how people on TRP, MGTOW, FDS, subs shake out and if they are in areas with negative sex ratios for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 09:27 PM
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FDS is a hate sub, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 08:54 PM
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You go first. :) Why are you here?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 08:52 PM
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The sub is about the relative merits of TRP and where people agree and disagree with the philosophy. Not very hard to understand, but then, you don't really want to understand, do you? You're just here to shame everyone on the sub. Yay you!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 08:51 PM
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Fair enough. You're wrong, but I'll let life teach you that. That's my judgement of you. Edit: and just look at the thread and you'll see others that agree with my approach. i.e. the guy who only dates at the local colleges. It's not an unreasonable choice. If you don't agree, that's fine, I really don't care.
/r/MGTOW229/01/20 06:28 PM
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Good advice.
/r/MGTOW228/01/20 09:07 PM
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If you've read my posts like you say you have then you know that advocate intimate and loving relationships with women as a MGTOW. I'm currently in such a relationship. I'm not saying to never talk to women, but I am saying that in certain aspects of life that is a good practice. MGTOW is about mitigating risks that will hurt you long term. It's not a myopic view. It's practical, logical, and based in cause/effect common sense. If this guy practiced MGTOW at his college, he would be in this situ…
/r/MGTOW228/01/20 08:57 PM
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Unfortunately bigotry against different groups drives most of their censorship. They are also against diversity of viewpoints. So they are as censorious or more than most SJW or feminist subs.
/r/MGTOW228/01/20 08:51 PM
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They trigger easily.
/r/MGTOW228/01/20 08:48 PM
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The lone argument remaining for marriage is if both parties want kids, and even for that marriage is not necessary. To your point, you're merging assets that will make it harder to extricate yourself from when the divorce inevitably arrives. There is no reason for marriage, really. Keep things clean, stay away from marriage. Living separately actually makes people work harder on the relationship anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 08:38 PM
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If in 'settle' you mean picking someone and marrying them, then no. If you think you can do better and plan on doing better, then don't marry. Using someone through a marriage contract and then monkey branching to someone else, and then again if the opportunity arises, and so on, is disgusting, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 08:29 PM
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Not if I smote first! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 08:25 PM
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Clearly you've shown that marriage is an outdated institution that most people shouldn't choose. People should be single, independent, and mostly practice serial monogamy if they don't have much time to devote to relationships (who does? LOL). One exception might be if you really want kids and find someone that really wants kids. Still marriage is not required but at least committing to each other long enough to launch the kids is probably best. But yeah, when you remove societal expectation the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 07:00 PM
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Kill the genie.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:52 PM
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I think you described the existence of most single men as well. This is the state of things, generally speaking, for most singles, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:49 PM
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Agree.
/r/MGTOW228/01/20 06:30 PM
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You can get those experiences outside of Uni, and you should. But with these ultra biased and ultra punitive Title IX tribunals on college campuses, you absolutely do not want to put your future and future livelihood in jeopardy by having any kind of significant relations with people on campus. One guy in Oregon got kicked out of his college because he looked similar to a guy that raped another student at Oregon. He didn't even DO anything and they kicked him out because she reported to him. So …
/r/MGTOW228/01/20 06:29 PM
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Excellent post. Totally agree.
/r/MGTOW228/01/20 06:25 PM
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And yet it was a good thing he did make the recording. I agree, though. Drunk people, or anyone that attends your university that can get you kicked out of your university. Better to date people that have graduated, don't go to your university, or that don't go to college at all.
/r/MGTOW228/01/20 06:24 PM
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Great post and thank you for the clarification.
/r/MGTOW227/01/20 11:16 PM
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Don't care. Learning together with someone new is fun in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 11:13 PM
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Masturbation is always an option. Testosterone levels in men are anywhere between 20 to 50 times higher than in women depending on the individual. If you were injected with testosterone equal to a normal guy, you'd be thinking about sex most of the time and would be having private time 5x more than you do now. It's not all about hormones that that is a huge piece of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 11:12 PM
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Never. If bad things happen it's harder to break up because you both live in the same place. It's better to live independently. If you are away from that person you tend to work harder at the relationship. When people move in together they don't try as hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 11:07 PM
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Excellent advice all around. Totally agree.
/r/MGTOW227/01/20 11:04 PM
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Exactly. And having a degree determines life outcomes drastically. Can't afford to take that chance.
/r/MGTOW227/01/20 11:03 PM
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Any more, none. As a MGTOW RP dude, I don't trust anyone and probably would never commit to a single person on a permanent, marriage type of basis. Serial monogamy, probably. I'm not much for spinning plates but I would never settle on just one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 08:41 PM
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Great advice. TBH, you should only spend your time and energy on yourself and your own personal development. This is personally, professionally, financially, physically, emotionally, mentally. When you start to achieve in these aspects of life, people notice and will come MORE than half way to you. Of course, some will want to use you, but at least they're making the effort and you can leverage your success for whatever you want to get out of the relationship or friendship. Bottom line, only wor…
/r/MGTOW227/01/20 08:25 PM
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I thought that too, because it's more about rights, or lack thereof. But that's why I included it here. Anything that informs a MGTOW lifestyle should be observed, IMO. These conditions, laws, etc.. are the basis for why MGTOW exists so I think it's worth seeing.
/r/MGTOW227/01/20 08:18 PM
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I don't have to, I just went MGTOW, which is the easier option because we all know that the state likes things the way they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 08:15 PM
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And that needs to be changed as well. There should be no statute of limitations, it may take years for the father to learn that he's been deceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 06:41 PM
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Sorry, if the wife cheated on the husband he should not be responsible for the other man's kid and should not be made responsible the decision of two other adults. Those are the changes in the laws that need to be implemented, it's not about the freedom to do paternity tests. Although in some countries, that's illegal too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:19 PM
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Most of the reasons come down to the same theme, using sex to manipulate and control.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 09:35 PM
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Is it a majority of beta men with gfs? You can always point to exceptions but it doesn't mean the rule, or generality still isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 09:32 PM
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That part is good, at least. Good for her, and you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 09:28 PM
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The paternity test provides everyone the opportunity to make an informed choice about being the parent. In his case, he chose wrong, as it turns out. But it would at least give men the opportunity to decide for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 09:26 PM
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Generally speaking, yeah, it's nobody's business. It's not your sister's or cousins' job to make their mothers happy. As long as they are happy, that's all that matters. Times change. If they're unhappy, then yes, they need to look at themselves and their own choices. Otherwise, there's really not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:15 PM
3

There is a male wall. It's probably more forgiving, but at some point, none of us look good. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:11 PM
0

It's not fair. Mandatory paternity testing at birth should be the law of the land. It's the one thing men should have when it comes to reproductive rights, the ability to decide whether or not to be a parent to another man's child. The fact that it's not the law of the land and in some states/countries, is actually prohibited, is yet another reason for men to not get married. If you've been cheated on and don't find out until years later that the kid isn't yours, you have no recourse and no righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:10 PM
1

Admittedly, yes, some have fallen into the categories that you've mentioned, and others have been targeted by the courts and have had the system leveraged against them with extreme bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:03 PM
1

Well, I'm awesome, so I would date me! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:17 PM
1

There are plenty of such stories. Most men have a buddy in their lives that they can point to. MGTOW is about #1, protecting yourself. Marriage has run its course and is no longer an institution worth investing in.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:16 PM
1

I don't desire being a Chad. Sex is overrated and people, both men AND women, place too much importance on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:25 PM
0

"How many men can afford a wife?" FIFY :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:13 PM
5

You can still have relationships but on your own terms. Never marry, or live with a person. That removes most resources and it prevents people from 'using' you too much. You still have a connection with someone else, but the dynamic is set up for both of you that nothing is guaranteed and that both parties have to make it successful. When people move in together they stop trying and relationships become stale. This way, you keep your shit, and keep your relationship fresh, and you don't get used…
/r/MGTOW223/01/20 06:25 PM
0

That is what the world would like you to think, anyway. Everything is relative. Someone needs to think that they are better than you so they can feel better about themselves. If there is nobody at the bottom then how can that work? So people act like they are better, but by doing so, they're not. Gotta just be true to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:21 PM
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Disagree. Men spend most of their life invisible to women and men. They learn this early in life. This is something they understand all too well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:59 PM
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Not bitter, and I've been in a committed loving relationship for a long time now. I just don't marry or live with anyone. MGTOW for me is about limiting societal risk, which more men are doing. And shaming tactics like yours don't work any more on men who understand how society views them. I'm sorry but you are ignorant about MGTOW, also, you're sad for for having to resort to ad hom attacks because someone doesn't see the world the same as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:40 PM
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No, too many men have been screwed over by getting a prenup only to find out it was worthless. Men, don't EVER go the prenup route, it is the worse decision ever. Just don't get married!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:05 PM
1

Men don't believe they 'deserve' what 'Chad' gets. That's a myth. Everyone knows life isn't fair. Men aren't stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:02 PM
0

Prenups don't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 03:00 PM
1

The laws read gender neutral but the enforcement of those laws in family and divorce court is extremely biased and punitive toward men, making marriage a terrible decision for men. It's not about who files, it's about what happens after the filing, and he's right, men pay a way higher price. Men go to jail for non payment, women basically never do. Financial obligation for men sometimes is do debilitating that they've been known to kill themselves on the courthouse steps, this was when the appli…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 02:59 PM
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Safe option = backup plan. It may not 'ruin' a relationship but it's an insult, IMO. Who wants to know that they're in a relationship because the other person 'settled' because they couldn't nail down the man of their dreams who gave them the tingles? Even if you're getting A, B, and C, it just conveys that that person is granting you those things and that you should be grateful for their charity. Still insulting. 'Safe' means that you have less agency in the relationship because you are more de…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 11:00 PM
2

That's mostly what I could find on the subject. You have other data, please share.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 10:51 PM
2

Again, correlation, not causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 10:49 PM
1

It remains to be seen if the relationship is really a success. It's probably just 'his turn' and he's in for a rude awakening.
/r/MGTOW222/01/20 06:47 PM
1

r/MGTOW is a bunch of bitchy little retrograde children. r/MGTOW2 is the real MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW222/01/20 06:44 PM
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The Institute for Family Studies did research on number of partners and marriage outcomes. Turns out, if a woman has over 10 sexual partners the probability of divorce goes up. Correlation only, not causation. But I have not seen studies that show more partners means a higher probability of cheating. At least not yet. I think that a lot of people assume this is true, and it may be, but it's still a question for me. Although, TBH, I've not been interested enough to google it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:39 PM
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Probably true, at least partially. I do like though, that it seems like nerds and gamers are adopting a IDGAF about sex and relationships. For all that social people f'k around, it doesn't get you much more than if you stayed home and gamed online. And it's more fun to game than to go out and get drunk in your spare time. Sex is fun but overrated. Guys are learning that earlier than past generations and that's a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:30 PM
1

I think that we're still primarily in MCFC mode, despite the changing social conditions we live under. It's been my observation, which TRP also supports, that women, as choosers, will seek to have it both ways. They choose to mate with the dominant males using MCFC, and if they can't secure that male long term, then they 'settle' for men who are more invested in child rearing and are willing to rear another man's child.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:43 PM
2

There is so much speculation and assuming going on this post that it's basically just a rant. Why even pose it as a question when you don't really want an answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:38 PM
2

Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:35 PM
1

Well, on this sub it is individual women and not aggregate women. And the question was: why do women care so much about men not getting what they want. The short answer is, they don't. The notion that it's because they don't like that it makes men angry is just a red herring, IMO. And if that really were true then too bad. Anger is a natural and legit emotion that we all have. Society seeks to deny men their anger and that is wrong. As long as it doesn't result in hurting anyone else then it's p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:47 PM
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Most people are boring, so expecting something different than yourself is just wrong. Great if you can get it though. And if you want 'unsafe' then whatever happens is on you. I'm fine being boring and safe and I don't mind being seen that way. If women don't like it, that's fine by me. I don't want to be anyone's 'settling' choice anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:07 PM
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As a MGTOW I always advise other MGTOW to relentlessly pursue goals in all aspects of life, personal, professional, physical, financial, mental, and emotional, among others. I ALWAYS include physical health though, because it is really the basis for achieving any/most other goals a person can set out to achieve. In order to 'go do', you must be able. This doesn't mean hitting the gym though, it can be anything that contributes positively to your overall health, and it must be consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:57 PM
1

Well, it's technically true. And historically speaking about 20% of all men who ever lived, never procreated. I would imagine that roughly the same number of men today go without sex and do just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:49 PM
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Individual women would not, which is why I referred to 'women's preferences.' Women's choices, in the aggregate, is responsible and men's reaction to those choices is the byproduct. Some men are fine with it, others get angry, and that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:40 PM
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Nobody has to be happy about the natural process but they have to accept it. But if they want to be mad about it, that's their choice and I don't have problem with it. Women have no right to 'expect' men to act a certain way to whatever social condition exists for them. It is what is, everyone deal however they have to, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:36 PM
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And I'm saying that pregnancy is preventable. The 'risks' that you're saying are so extraordinary for women have been drastically mitigated by society. Any pregnancy that occurs that is unwanted is due to poor judgement, which is the problem of that individual. So you are referring to 'risks' that women don't ACTUALLY have to take unless they're just being irresponsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:33 PM
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MGTOW here, and women very much exist for me, I just don't marry them. You've got MGTOW all wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:28 PM
1

I see that as the natural outcome that you shouldn't be mad about. One causes the other. It's unfair to tell men not to be mad about it and think what they want about it. If women's preferences caused them to feel that way then they have to own the outcome. That's only fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:26 PM
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Control ability is a fact, there's absolutely no doubt. You are referring to individual people and their bad choices, which is completely separate. And there is no equivalency requirement when talking about impact on others. Women live longer than men despite giving birth. And recovery from abortion is a matter of weeks with no detriment to overall health for the vast majority of women who undergo that procedure. Having to finance an unwanted child for 18-26 years is hugely impactful over a pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:20 PM
2

Yes, which is why one night stands were never a good choice for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:11 PM
2

Exactly, having a kid with him secures money for the other kid. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:03 PM
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Women treating men as a 'safe' option is absolutely insulting. Men are supposed to feel appreciative of women 'settling' for them, which basically means that love is not part of the equation and the men in those cases aren't feeling loved, just used. Since about 90%, or the vast majority of men are in the position of being 'settled' for, it makes sense for them to NEVER commit. This is why MGTOW is becoming more popular. Why be in a relationship where your primary function is to be used by someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:53 PM
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It's still controllable. So a woman is stupidly taking on more risk than she needs to if she's not exercising her reproductive options responsibly. The consequence of those risks is self inflicted and impacts her partner's reproductive rights. So the reverse could be asked as well about women and whether they are worth the risk as well. To your point, with so many 'accidents' out there, the answer is that both men and women are deciding it's 'worth' the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:39 PM
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The question is not whether you're right or not, it really should be whether or not society benefits from half of its population being shallow and narcissistic because of the new social conditions you've outlined.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:34 PM
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The host of contracptive options for women and men in 1st world cultures make this question irrelevant. Pregnancy is controllable and therefore primarily a choice. I know 'accidents' happen, but even if they do, you can abort. A woman who is having casual sex in a responsible way is not taking much more risk than the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:31 PM
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Traditionally no. But with PPD, TRP, MGTOW, etc....I think a lot of younger men are much more informed and understand female nature more than their predecessors did.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:24 PM
1

I've not really heard the 'dancing monkey' referenced much but I'm assuming it means having to deal with a woman that has unreasonable expectations. Something like what you would find on FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:21 PM
3

Awesome. Welcome to the real MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW221/01/20 05:07 PM
2

Great post. Very true. Best to you for all of your future success.
/r/MGTOW217/01/20 09:03 PM
1

They're a bunch of bitchy children over there.
/r/MGTOW217/01/20 06:59 PM
1

If they follow the 3 month rule then I imagine most of their relationships would last less than 3 months. Speaking for myself, there's just no way. Nobody is worth that, primarily because of the attitude associated with it. So from my standpoint, I just can't imagine a guy sticking around that long, unless he's already getting some from someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:58 PM
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"and too much emphasis on individual freedom" I'll take a second and third helping of Individual Freedom, please! I don't think we're at the point of 'too much' for men or women. Just my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:54 PM
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When people break up, it doesn't necessarily mean that one of them was low quality and therefore, by definition, the next person will be of higher quality. It just means that they weren't compatible. Which also means that the next one may BE compatible but is otherwise not as high value as the previous one. You've got your ideas about hypergamy wrong and are conflating them with compatibility and other relationship dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:49 PM
1

"Be more like women and leave when you’re not happy." I think that more and more men are, which is a good thing for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:44 PM
1

I think in general, NO body type. We're all stuck with what we got. The point is to be in shape, reduce fat, and just be physically fit/healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:41 PM
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Ruining marriage outcomes is the only one on the list that is statistically supported, that I've seen, and the statistics were specific to female n count. The studies were done by the Institute of Family Studies which look at trends that break up families/marriages, among other things. I think that high n count for men and women seems likely, but I remember seeing that for women, anything over 10 partners starts to increase the probability of divorce. The impact was not as pronounced for men but…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:33 PM
2

She has a boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:12 PM
1

I don't think it's a question of fairness. Fairness IS about someone getting more of something than everyone else, or enjoying some type of advantage or perk of some kind. So the definition fits. That said, it doesn't matter. In this, fairness has nothing to do with it. It's just how the sexual market place works. It IS unfair and that's ok, that's how we've evolved. It's basically natures plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:56 PM
1

It's still happening but I think it's happening less.
/r/MGTOW217/01/20 03:49 PM
1

I think those are different guys. Or, at least they should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:48 PM
1

If that were only true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:27 PM
2

Thank you. Always learning something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 10:39 PM
2

Cheap shot that does not add to the discussion. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 10:37 PM
1

HVM? MVM?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:09 PM
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Approaching in person is now considered harassment. Secondly, if you fuck a drunk chick at a party it's rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:07 PM
1

Oh hell no. I've been in my current relationship for quite a while. Edit: I would say that my version of MGTOW looks somewhat but not totally like typical bachelorhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:58 PM
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Nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:57 PM
2

Nope, but you're premise is still lacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 03:57 PM
1

The Coolidge effect applies to both men and women, so it's impact, I suppose, would cancel out. So hypergamy's would still impact relationships over and above the Coolidge effect, I would think.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 03:54 PM
3

I don't know any men that feel 'entitled' to pussy. This doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 03:46 PM
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I was banned from r/MGTOW for saying that hating women is wasted energy that could be put to better use. They only accept a very narrow and bigoted view of the world. Basically, they're a bunch of bitchy little boys.
/r/MGTOW216/01/20 03:37 PM
1

I have my own experiences to go by, which for me, life has been great.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 03:32 PM
1

True.
/r/MGTOW216/01/20 03:32 PM
1

There are men that have your opinion. MGTOW does not say that you can't date women, however many men think that it does. I don't know why that idea persists. We're human. Most of us need a connection. It's not about hating or forgoing women altogether because at it's core, MGTOW is not about women. It's about the law and how it treats men, especially in the dissolution of marriages and relationships (like in common law situations). So it's absolutely correct that MGTOW men should not get married…
/r/MGTOW215/01/20 08:54 PM
1

Yep, and I think TRP, MGTOW, and PPD are doing well to advise those men not to do that any more. Will they listen? My guess is that most won't, but if it helps a few, then all the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 08:49 PM
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It's sad but you do have to protect yourself and take a very pragmatic approach to dating. Never marry, never move in with anyone. Give people a chance but always have low expectations and be ready to bounce when people don't meet them. You have to be ready to walk away at any moment and not be too emotionally invested unless some has gone WAY above and beyond to earn your trust. Unfortunately, that just doesn't happen that often. P&D is probably the best approach at this time in your life. Your…
/r/MGTOW215/01/20 05:08 PM
1

TRP is a response to behaviors in women that men observe, I would say, primarily young men trying to date women their age. These are women at their most desirable point in life. Mature women will say that they got over the bad boy persona and now value stability and provider-ship. But it doesn't change their choices when they were young. TRP is a recognition that women choose the impetuous attractive guy that makes them tingle. Men are right to emulate those traits at that age whether it's takin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 04:02 PM
1

I'm apathetic to that sub now, they are not honest brokers.
/r/MGTOW215/01/20 03:46 PM
1

It's pretty prevalent from where I am. I see it everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 03:44 PM
1

MGTOW wouldn't be needed in Western society's if laws were not so punitive toward men because they are men. I haven't seen many of these laws repealed, for instance, in the US, where I am. Even if they were, it oftentimes is not about the law, but the institutional enforcement of those laws. Take family and divorce courts, the laws read gender neutral but are enforced with extreme bias. DV accusations sprout up out of nowhere so the court finds for the woman/mother, sentences are harsher for men…
/r/MGTOW215/01/20 12:00 AM
1

Let's put it this way. Most MGTOW don't know another MGTOW. Pretty hard for a movement to be a movement when all of it's 'members' are unaffiliated with everyone else in the 'group/movement.' The whole point of MGTOW is to do your own thing independent of everyone else. By definition it's not a movement, but I understand your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 11:53 PM
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I don't think it's just gays that they hate. They seem to be bigoted toward a lot of communities. MGTOW should be for every man, politically, ethnically, etc.... It's necessary for all men, but it seems like they are selling a VERY narrow version of MGTOW on that sub. I don't agree with it.
/r/MGTOW214/01/20 11:48 PM
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Since you are a former moderator for that sub, and I'm sorry but I think they are a bunch of bitchy little children, can you answer why it is that they require hatred for women so much? I was banned for saying that hate is wrong, that it shows that you care, and that it gives power to the other person. That hate should not be part and parcel to a MGTOW lifestyle because it's wasted energy that could be put into bettering one's self in all manner of positive aspects of life. Paraphrasing, but bas…
/r/MGTOW214/01/20 11:45 PM
1

I understand that. You are part of an extremely small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 08:55 PM
2

No, absolutely not. MGTOW expressly themselves as not associated with a movement. It's basically part of the definition of MGTOW. 100% of MGTOW know and understand this. You opinion is just that, but is not how MGTOW define themselves. MGTOW is about the individual, not the group.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 08:25 PM
1

Movements lobby governments on behalf of their group. They're funded. They march. They collect dues and have local and national organization. Like feminism. MGTOW is just each individual male choosing how to live his life. It's not hard to understand. You are trying to make it a movement, or are just overthinking it. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 06:43 PM
2

They don't have chapters, they're not funded. There are no leaders of state or national movements. It's not an ism like feminism. NOT a movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 06:39 PM
0

MGTOW can be hugely beneficial for men, especially young men. It is not akin to jumping off of a cliff.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 06:38 PM
1

If you want to have sex then you should not focus on the boyfriends or husbands, you should focus on the fathers of their kids. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:41 PM
0

You already know what you want and will do what you want. You'll be judged by some on your choices regardless. That's life. Stop caring about what other people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:39 PM
1

This.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:33 PM
0

Why do you need that? If it's not your community then why is this an issue for you? Your comments are basically me=good, they=bad. Why do you care? Each person can live however they choose and follow whatever beliefs they want. Some may be like you describe, some may not. What's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:33 PM
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No, movements are funded, organized, and have stage protests and march in the streets, and have propaganda and t-shirts, and mugs. MGTOW is an individual choice that each man makes for himself and then lives according to the MGTOW tenants that he chooses for himself. There is a different version of MGTOW for every MGTOW man. And MGTOW should not be advertising. Ultimately,you should never know if you've met one or not. It's just a set of personal choices being lived out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:29 PM
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MGTOW here, and you have it all wrong. First, don't go to r/MGTOW for your info, start with r/MGTOW2. Second, it's not a movement. Let me say that again, it's NOT a movement. It's a philosophy and lifestyle individual to each man and how he wants to live. Third, it's absolutely not about women or hate. It's about understanding how society views you as a man and mitigating the risk that the society poses to you, mostly around family and divorce law, DV law, workplace law (#MeToo), university law …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:23 PM
3

There are plenty of men that want relationships. You're just not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:08 PM
4

Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:07 PM
4

Totally agree. Women, primarily, are still attracted to the gender roles for men that have been with us for centuries. So much of what men do is based on what women choose, and today, very few women choose anything other than the very rigid, traditional, male gender role. They are supportive of other women choosing a more, say, passive and emotional guy, but their mate choices usually resemble the strong types that they can depend on to protect and provide. Men are pretty stuck in that role unle…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 11:12 PM
2

Hard to know about any specific situation. The story we're being told is that he's the a-hole so I'm sure even if she had time to help financially that he'd still be a zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 10:42 PM
2

More men are undesirable for women and women generally don't date "down". So less marriage, less families is the most likely result.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:40 PM
3

You should have just said that he left. That's the real issue. Not the job.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:39 PM
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As women are making their own money, they are not looking for beta providers as much. They want the hot guy for sex to have the kids with. If they can nail down commitment from him as well, then yes, they've got their 'alpha provider' as you've described. That will happen for a small percentage of women going after the 20% of men who would qualify as an 'alpha provider'. But it's less because a good percentage of those men will never marry. So the definition of the 'beta provider' is really the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:25 PM
0

If he's dong what he can to contribute to the family then it is what it is. If he's just sitting on the couch, that's different. Did everyone go hungry? Sounds to me like everyone is still alive. Not everyone is going to provide at the same level, but if they're doing what they can, then it is what it is. If it's that important to the mom, she can always divorce him for being poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 05:14 PM
4

I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:59 PM
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But he worked. The type of job and the pay does not matter, or should not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 04:58 PM
0

Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 11:46 PM
1

Not a good idea. Keep your friend. And the fact that she would do that makes me think she wants him to pay for the breakup by hooking up with you. There's plenty to go around, find someone else to smash. It's totally not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 11:45 PM
0

He's referring to the data that showed, presumably from the IRS but not really sure, that women, as a group in the US, take more from the system than they put in. So as a gender they are way more subsidized, by the system, through not only taxes but by divorce and family courts, etc, and then by individual men on top of that if they are with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 11:42 PM
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If sex is treated like a reward then it's being used to manipulate the man and the relationship. No thanks. It should be based on mutual interest and gratification. If it's being used as a reward system then it's just a form of control. F That!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 11:37 PM
1

My opinion is that MGTOW has absolutely nothing to do with women and everything to do with how society sees you as a man and what it expects from you. So much so that it's willing to put laws in place that comprise unequal rights and protections under the law for men in certain areas. Ability to date women is a non fact. That said, MGTOW is absolutely about making smart choices in relation to women in order to mitigate risk from society (i.e. never marry, never live with a woman and take care of…
/r/MGTOW210/01/20 08:35 PM
9

Great answer.
/r/MGTOW210/01/20 08:29 PM
1

It's too bad. MGTOW is so important, especially for boys and young men just starting out and needing to understand how society views them. That sub is literally f'ing it all up. In fact, it really isn't MGTOW. They should have to rename their sub.
/r/MGTOW210/01/20 08:28 PM
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What idiots.
/r/MGTOW210/01/20 08:26 PM
2

True, I would say that women would be more interested in an older Chad than a young Billy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 08:24 PM
1

I think you are the exception. Most women want men at their education and income level, or above. And a regular job would mean that he has about as much time as you do for household affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 08:22 PM
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As a MGTOW I can tell you that my dating life is great. MGTOW is not about hating women and definitely not about guys whining about not being able to date. It's ignorant to conflate MGTOW and incels. Lot of MGTOW have loving and intimate relationships with women, they just don't marry them or live with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 06:51 PM
1

Agree.
/r/MGTOW210/01/20 06:44 PM
1

FGTOW? WGTOW? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 06:43 PM
1

Yep, and at least if you think about it then you know you're doing something because YOU want, with your eyes wide open. Best of luck to you.
/r/MGTOW210/01/20 06:42 PM
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:)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 11:11 PM
1

In her case, that's exactly what happened. If you're asking if that's what I would do, then no. As a side note, the website she worked for went under. It seemed to be under financial strain and it's possible the editors figured it needed to have a sensational story to keep in business. Don't know but it's not a good look. Still, if there's money on the line then why not create controversy around a celebrity and see what happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 11:08 PM
1

Which is why she did it. It's better than a criminal process. Just accuse someone in public without evidence and have bad things happen to them. Pretty nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 09:22 PM
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The two steadfast rules to MGTOW are to never marry and to never live with a woman. For legal reasons. There are others as well but those two are pretty much written in stone. I'd add, never agree to adopt and/or take care of another man's child. Again, for legal liability reasons. So don't ever let a single mom live with you. You have to understand that you've been immersed and bombarded with messaging about how YOU should get married and take care of a family. So you must ask yourself if this …
/r/MGTOW209/01/20 06:54 PM
1

I don't agree with you on the nofap thing being a requirement for MGTOW. It's my belief that each MGTOW lives a version of MGTOW that's right for him. But you should never have been banned for sharing your opinion. Bunch of scared kids over there. Scared of ideas too.
/r/MGTOW209/01/20 06:45 PM
1

At least you got a response. Most of the time they are scared to say why a person was banned. I was banned after I told someone that hate is a bad thing for many reasons. First, it means that you care and that you're giving power to the other person. It also isn't good to let hate rule your life because it's unhealthy. They absolutely couldn't have that, I suppose. I was banned with no explanation because their a bunch of scared little bitches that can't actually admit to their hate or they'll b…
/r/MGTOW209/01/20 06:42 PM
2

As a MGTOW I can't claim to know if everyone is old and bitter, and the r/MGTOW is definitely a sub based on hate. That said, MGTOW philosophy and lifestyle is critical for young men. I think r/MGTOW2 is much better. It's not based on hate and is about common sense, logical ways that men should live in order to protect themselves from risks that society poses because they are men. Especially, but not limited to: divorce and family court, paternity rights and paternity fraud, DV law, workplace la…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:29 PM
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All the more reason to be MGTOW if you are a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:14 PM
2

Some things he says are useful, like about getting your sh*t together and getting on with your life so that you can be successful in more aspects of life. That said, he's pretty traditional about how people should live. That's where it's less useful. We're not going back to 1950 so having a family and one income is just not much of an option for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:09 PM
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Well, women don't fuck weak men. That's probably more what he meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 05:38 PM
2

In this day and age the role of 'traditional provider' is a raw deal and I hope most men aren't doing that any more. That's a 50's thing long past its due date. Nowadays, it should be 'every man for himself.'
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 03:32 PM
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And this is how women want it. Guys have been conditioned not to approach for #MeToo reasons or because they'll be viewed as creeps. But if the same women you are talking decided that they wanted attention, all they would have to do is raise their hand. I know you're not talking about Tinder, but even basic Becky can get attention if she wants, it's an option that most men don't have. It's still better than being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 03:16 PM
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No. Women are not attracted to those men. It is doing young boys a disfavor by teaching them to be anything other than the pretty rigid gender roles of our fathers and grandfathers. Weak men are not attractive to women. Now, if women ONLY dated sensitive men who are emotional, then maybe. A lot of what men do is based on what women reward, and women have always been attracted to strong men. Maybe in another 100 generations things will change, but any parent telling their sons that it's ok to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 11:39 PM
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The difference is in how men misunderstand women. It's more than how women are vs how men are. I think that women are very clear on how men are but I think men see women more as they want them to be, how they've built them up in their mind, rather than for who/what they really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 10:38 PM
1

I think TRP, and for me as a TRP/MGTOW, it's all about focusing on the self to the point of selfishness almost. Prioritize your own wants and needs always. Not listening to anybody but yourself because it's only yourself that can make you happy, ever. So what view do you want changed? It just seems that your validating a version of RP philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 09:40 PM
1

Escorts. Just protect yourself.
/r/MGTOW208/01/20 08:58 PM
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Being MGTOW doesn't mean going monk. It's ok to have intimate, loving relationships with women. Just don't move in with them and don't ever marry them. Keep the relationship on your terms. Never prioritize her needs over your own. College is first. Your career is first, always. Your goals are first, ALWAYS. Make sure to have goals for every aspect of your life: personal, professional, FINANCIAL, mental, physical, and emotional. Always let her know, through your actions, that she is not your prio…
/r/MGTOW208/01/20 08:57 PM
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Unless they're married. Then everybody loses, especially men, statistically, and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 08:42 PM
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I see it as preparing men for female nature and to see women for how they truly act rather than what they wish women to be. I see it as pragmatic and useful for men. I don't go in for the manipulation stuff, but I do think it's important for men not to delude themselves about how women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 08:39 PM
2

You're young. Just keep pushing. Pressure and time will overcome any obstacles you might have. Set out to be a well rounded human being by identifying goals for yourself in all aspects of your life: personal, professional, physical, FINANCIAL, mental, and emotional (i.e. supportive friend group). Pursue these goals relentlessly and in 5 years you won't believe the progress you've made. Hell, you will have outclassed your current cohort and will have pushed way ahead of the pack. This usually put…
/r/MGTOW208/01/20 06:05 PM
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"Is there something similar that happens in reverse for men?" Yes. It's when the sex actually is transactional but for his resources. It's when the man is expecting love based on the sex and the woman is just using sex as barter for resources. Then she's taking advantage of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:52 PM
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No. Bringing anybody, same sex or not, makes things more complicated than they need to be. If that were a requirement for anyone that I was dating then I'd break up and move on. I wouldn't want them to conform to my style and I know I would never be happy conforming to theirs. Best to find someone more compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:32 PM
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None.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:30 PM
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I don't think it gets much wrong. It pretty accurately details female nature. Why do you think it is too narrow?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:27 PM
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Sounds like MGTOW is the best option for men. It fundamentally is about not going along, AT ALL, with society's expectations, or women's, for that matter. MGTOW/TRP is the best logical choice for ~80% or so of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:21 PM
1

Walked into that one. Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:08 PM
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Never. Been associated with a few 'bachelors' over the years, but that's it.
/r/MGTOW208/01/20 04:51 PM
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On dating apps like Tinder the dynamic is heavily skewed, with women getting all the attention. This can make some of the shallow, narcissistic, and cold toward most men. I do think it changes them as a person and their expectations. So they are people, but people that men just don't understand because their lived experiences are so different. Generally speaking, men have to work to show value to society and to women. Women, however, don't. The attitudes and the types of people that those two co…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 04:28 PM
1

Awesome, not to mention all of the liability you avoid, legally, by marrying someone and/or living with them.
/r/MGTOW208/01/20 04:15 PM
1

"I bet all the women in the lab would wanna fuck him, but none of them would ever marry this dude." This is the bottom line for guys. Who will women mate with and procreate with. It's great that some dude has a nice sense of humor, but it's about nature's imperative. This proves TRP pretty succinctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 04:13 PM
1

Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 12:03 AM
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That's the big part that men should focus on. Women have been told for 50 years to be independent and invest in themselves and prioritize themselves and their own needs first and foremost. But we've never told boys and young men to do the same thing, we've just assumed that they would. It's time to message to boys that marriage and family is not the be all end all goal and that it's more important to invest in yourself and your own livelihood before anything or anyone else. RP knowledge is the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 11:14 PM
2

To your last point I think that RP takes both traits into account when it comes to women's interest. That is, it's the same women that value the genetic stud and the BP provider. It oftentimes is the same woman that wants a stable provider who turns into someone looking to mate with the cocky stud, usually once or twice a month when her hormones peak. She goes into hard core 'mate' mode for a few days, then back to 'paired' mode the rest of the time. This is why it's important for men to be PP o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 08:43 PM
3

I see MGTOW as largely apolitical, which is how it should be. Dem, Rep, Lib, Con, men should all be MGTOW because the law doesn't discriminate based on political party affiliation. It screws all men equally. That said, your garden variety Civil Libertarian candidate is probably the closest match to a MGTOW lifestyle.
/r/MGTOW207/01/20 06:42 PM
2

I never read the book but I do agree about how MGTOW men should more or less buck the system. The problem is, the system is so man things. Men need to be MGTOW primarily because of divorce and family law, university Title IX law, DV law (which can put a man away even if the woman is the perpetrator), Workplace law (#MeToo), Criminal sentencing (men vs women), Paternity law/fraud, and a few other extremely biased and punitive laws that are unequal for men. That said, I don't mind paying taxes to …
/r/MGTOW207/01/20 06:38 PM
2

Man's best friend.
/r/MGTOW207/01/20 06:31 PM
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Already on it! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 06:29 PM
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I'm MGTOW but not a hater, so I got kicked out of the MGTOW sub. They are mostly women haters, racists, bigots, and mostly Trumpers. So if you disagree even slightly on anything, like hate, then they kick you out. I don't hate women, I just live by my own rules. So PPD is better for debating cultural swings that we see and experience. You don't get kicked out for NOT being extreme enough. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 06:25 PM
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MGTOW is the only sane and extremely logical choice for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 05:39 PM
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No. That would be over simplistic. For myself, I've actually never made that assumption about virgins, and haven't even heard of it. Where is this assumption coming from? I don't think it's a view held by many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 03:47 PM
1

Men typically don't have as many partners, so it's not really a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 03:44 PM
1

Good post. True, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 03:26 PM
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We all get that, you just said that in your original post. What I'm saying is, that the choices still change you. Marriage for sex is different than hiring an escort. The aggregate choices you do make, despite the fact that they're all rooted in Maslow's law, still have a huge impact on a person's outcome. So it is still worth it, for instance, to not all be nihilists.
/r/MGTOW207/01/20 03:21 PM
1

Good post. Agreed.
/r/MGTOW207/01/20 03:17 PM
1

I agree but there is still choice in how we acquire our biological needs. You want sex, you can hire an escort or court a woman for marriage, etc... Each choice shapes you on your path to actualization and because of that, we all actualize differently, or around a different set of real, lived, experiences. No one way is better than another. As far as MGTOW goes, for me, there ARE specifics ways to be because of non-biological realities that we all see. Mainly, how society views us as men and how…
/r/MGTOW206/01/20 11:47 PM
1

Not suggesting 'pansy bs' but look at your post and the baggage you still carry. That system did that to you, it comes through in your post. I wouldn't wish that on a kid either. I get your 'tough-it-out' approach but look at the casualties. A 9% success rate from that environment? That's terrible and you were lucky to be part of that success rate. There are better systems to build confidence in kids. Not everyone needs a trophy but absolutely nobody needs to be bullied in order to 'make it' in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 10:31 PM
2

I'm left of center myself. It sounds like they are a bunch of tradcon Trump lovers, which just validates the bigotry that is on display.
/r/MGTOW206/01/20 10:23 PM
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Thank goodness!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 10:03 PM
1

So you like a system that benefited you. What a surprise. It didn't benefit a lot of other people, though. You just got lucky as you grew. You do know that there were school shootings before Columbine, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 10:02 PM
1

That's stupid. I think r/MGTOW2 is going to be the best MGTOW sub, it leaves all the petty bs out of it.
/r/MGTOW206/01/20 09:58 PM
1

It sounds like they're only interested in a very small, exclusive, but extreme group. That's infantile. MGTOW is for every man, with whatever his other views may be. They are limiting themselves, and their limits are defined by their hate and intolerance of even remotely diverging opinions. F'ing losers.
/r/MGTOW206/01/20 09:54 PM
1

That's terrible. I think women should know about MGTOW and understand why it's important for men to be MGTOW. Not because men and women need to hate each other (we don't), men just need to be aware of how society views them and how to mitigate society's negative influence on their lives. Instead, the focus is on hate and negativity. It could be so much better but the mods are children that can't see the big picture.
/r/MGTOW206/01/20 09:48 PM
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They won't respond, they are bigots whose belief system is based on hate, which they can't admit, so they just ban you and don't say why.
/r/MGTOW206/01/20 09:43 PM
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Yep. They trigger easily to anything that doesn't conform exactly to their belief system. I don't get it. MGTOW should be for every man to understand as a lifestyle or philosophy to live by if they so choose. Everyone guy will have his own version of MGTOW, it doesn't have to be one-size-fits-all. Very limited thinking over there.
/r/MGTOW206/01/20 09:42 PM
1

Did you live through those times? If so, were you the bully or the wimp?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 09:09 PM
1

Men who are marrying for a second time are likely from previous generations. Younger men who are getting divorced now are WAY more likely than previous generations to not make the same mistake again. Historically men were indoctrinated into the idea that they had to be providers and have families, which benefited society, which was why they got fed those ideas. But that is not happiness for a lot of men and most men understand that lie now. I think there will be less men marrying AT ALL, let alo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 09:04 PM
2

Men being scared to shits of marriage is truly a puzzling mystery. Wha ha? You have to be joking. It is absolutely the most logical thing ever, for a man not wanting such a raw deal. Maybe if laws were different. Sorry, marriage represents all risk and very little reward for men, which is why more and more are opting out. Families are less important to men, and for a lot of men, not important at all. Slaving away for other people and having to shoulder the risks/responsibilities should everythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:38 PM
2

Nailed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:32 PM
3

Historically yes. These days, TRP and PPD informed men understand that providing Beta bux just for sex is a raw deal. That's why there are so many TRP and MGTOW men. It's much cheaper to use those 'beta bux' on an escort than to pay for a wife with another man's child already. Besides, once marriage happens, sex declines for most couples year to year. Better to pay up front for the sure thing, and the variety, which is more to the male sexual strategy anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:30 PM
0

It depends on the woman. Some women look great until they're almost 50, but that is rare. But yes, most 30+ women are not like that. They likely had kids and/or have a career and have let themselves go. Some still look great, but their numbers are small.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:25 PM
1

Your own perception seems a little skewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:22 PM
1

It's totally fair as long as down the line that women understand that the lower value men don't have to marry them and take care of their kids. Men are now wise to the idea that when a woman's Tinder date doesn't marry her after she's had his kid, that it's not some other simps job to pay for it. And, if in their 30's, men become more desirable and can date women in their 20's, then they should! It's as much their prerogative as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:18 PM
2

It's a waste of time for men and a flattering ego session for women 99% of the time. That is, 99% of the time women are not looking for a bf, just an ego boost. I've never downloaded or used any dating website or app and never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:09 PM
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Not sure about anger. It's probably because rejection is so common for so many men. You may have been rejected a few times, but for men, it's ALL the time, like 99.999%. So it leads to anger, then bitterness, cynicism, and then to not caring or trying any more, which is actually a good thing. The best thing for most men is to not care about women. Once men stop trying to be someone for others and start just doing things for their own wants and needs, and happiness, life becomes a lot better for …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:05 PM
1

Escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:59 PM
1

My guess is that nobody thought about how men would react. It is all unexpected.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:57 PM
1

I would agree that men USED to think in terms of blank slate equality in the SMV, but it's clear that they don't think that any more, which is why there is PPD and TRP. Incels may still believe but they are a small minority. So your point really doesn't apply to most men of today. Most men accept that their situation is screwed and are pursuing other, more rewarding opportunities than relationships and/or marriage. Yesterday's men were programmed to marry and work for a woman. Build a household …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:34 PM
1

Probably true. The first woman a man knows is his mother. If she's a bad parent then yes, he's going to have that view of most women - and rightly so, until a good woman can show him differently. But that can be rare because most people, men and women, are pretty self interested. And from a social media standpoint, a lot of young women are EXTREMELY self interested. The good news for women is that if you wanted to 'try', you wouldn't have to try hard. Just 'trying' would make you stand out above…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:19 PM
1

Not sure there are many 'pickmeshas' for it to be a 'solution.'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:15 PM
1

It probably takes a decade or so for highly attractive women to lower their standards. The top 20% of women are vying for the top 5% of guys. It will take 10+ years before they will look elsewhere. If their biological clock is pushing them then they may just try to get pregnant by a 5% guy. If they can't do that, only THEN might they look elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:12 PM
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Can't change your view. I totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:07 PM
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Well, there's a lot here. For the first, it's not a matter of whether marriage is better or worse, as far as the RP discussions are concerned, at least to me. It's more about the divorce that TRP is referring to. You're right that for marriage, many women do more in the relationship than the men, but I've seen the opposite too. It more has to do with the power balance (bad term - I know) of the relationship. I've seen marriages where the man is actually doing more because he's more invested than…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:05 PM
1

LOL. Exactly. and then an Italian one, and then maybe a Swedish one, etc........
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 03:54 PM
0

Then good luck! LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 03:53 PM
0

If all men are terrible to you, then it's you. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 03:52 PM
0

You're not gonna fuck those guys no matter what they do. Why should they perform for you? Let them live their lives how they want to and focus on the few men that want to play your game.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 03:51 PM
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Relatively successful. Living alone. Doesn't put up with BS. Follows his own agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 06:08 PM
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This is way too much porn. It’s a substitute for real life interaction. Wrong. It's not enough! LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 06:00 PM
1

Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:59 PM
0

It's actually completely logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:57 PM
1

Totally agree. Sex has no value compared to living a life of freedom. Men are better off pursuing their own goals and dreams and achieving them. If a man needs sex, it's WAY cheaper and more fun to buy it. It certainly isn't valuable enough to slave for, or to sell out for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:57 PM
0

Great response.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:54 PM
2

Hurray for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 05:29 PM
1

Nobody will reply. The mods are just as spineless as the members of that sub.
/r/MGTOW224/12/19 05:23 PM
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Exactly. Men need to share stories, collaborate, and support each other. That's what it should be, instead it's a cesspool over there. This is a much better sub.
/r/MGTOW224/12/19 05:22 PM
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It's a terrible sub. I was there because I believe that MGTOW is important for all men, especially young men just starting out. But they require racism, sexism, and overall bigotry. No thanks. This is a much better sub and I hope that the majority of MGTOW migrate to this sub.
/r/MGTOW224/12/19 05:17 PM
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