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Fundamentals Nervous-Arrogance/r/seduction16/07/26 12:39 PM
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ConversationNervous-Arrogance/r/seduction20/07/26 07:18 PM
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Beauty tells you nothing about the woman, once you see a woman you physically like, start focussing on stuff that matters at a deeper level. Basically the attitude "Cool, you are hot, what makes you so fucking special".
/r/seduction23/07/26 08:56 AM
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Are you doing your reps bro?
/r/seduction22/07/26 09:37 PM
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Maybe he wanted a go on it himself?
/r/seduction22/07/26 09:31 PM
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I have her Insta and I’m thinking I might just hit her up and message her there and see how it goes from there You know what to do Is it worth messaging? or would it be awkward and weird considering I didn’t talk to her much at the club? Why is it you guys who are worried about awkward and weird, always seem to do what is awkward and weird? You know what to do.
/r/seduction22/07/26 08:45 PM
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Thanks, I actually started where OP is. This is just the advice I wish I’d had earlier. I tried the ‘push through resistance’ approach too and eventually learned that sometimes creating space works better than forcing momentum.
/r/seduction22/07/26 08:00 PM
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This sub is a mix of action orientated people and analysis orientated people. It creates these weird topics and responses.
/r/seduction22/07/26 05:00 PM
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Firstly its entertainment.... Secondly.... go out, talk to people, try things, put yourself in situations and build your own model based on your reality.
/r/seduction22/07/26 03:25 PM
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I mean yeah unless you’re using your online presence to write cheques that your body can’t cash. If you are still lacking in social skills and fail to have status in RL, when the push comes to shove you are still low value regardless of followers. Being able to manage expectations is key
/r/seduction22/07/26 12:14 PM
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Not who you are replying to. Sometimes that sort of thing bears fruit. Sometimes it dosn't (kind of like anything regarding "Game"). I just find sometimes its better to break rapport and speak to them again later, rather than attaching myself to them like superglue, and trying to force a "close". Yes if you are going out hunting for women, I guess this is not really something for you. But if you are out with mates, or something is going on that you are interested in (live music for example), I p…
/r/seduction22/07/26 09:52 AM
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Do you value this job?
/r/seduction21/07/26 10:39 PM
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We are not in caveman times. A strong tribal leader is no longer needed to ensure survival like it was back then. Also cavemen did not shave, use shower gel nor did they go online, that might be the bit you are missing.
/r/seduction21/07/26 09:09 PM
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What did she say when you asked to meet her in person?
/r/seduction21/07/26 08:25 PM
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She is not "using it on you", you have lost your power. You are focusing on her, and becoming obsessed. That is a choice you made, not her. WALK AWAY.
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:52 PM
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Real Social Dynamics..... Old Skool, PUA firm.... people basically paid them money, to brand their "products" as guys would lap up anything with the RSD logo on it. I cannot comment on how good it was or was not. I have heard mixed things regarding, Blueprint Decoded, Bootcamp in a box and Pimp. I actually like their motivational videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U93Hwmi_1zw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFLFHWNx4dE They also had a lot of other free YT videos, I found them hit or miss tb…
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:48 PM
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Give yourself permission to walk away. Gain your personal power back, instead of giving her all your power. Walk away.
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:42 PM
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Julien always seemed to embrace the dark side. He was the only one I would go out of my way to watch. I do swear by Owens 5 rules of success or whatever they are called. But never really got too much into RSD.
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:05 PM
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Yeah, if someone is going on about a topic that I find boring, I will just interrupt with an observation about them. I won't do it quite to RSD Owen's "standard", but I am not making content for YT videos.
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:04 PM
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All that aside, I have started doing those exercises, granted 5 min each to start with to build up
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:02 PM
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Agree with you better now you have edited. Yeah… it’s about finding your own style.
/r/seduction21/07/26 02:57 PM
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Brit here, have done plenty of American based stuff... not sure where you get that idea. And have also done it in Amsterdam
/r/seduction21/07/26 02:38 PM
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So a woman didn't feel it for whatever reason, and you went mad at her demanding answers. That must of really got her moist. /sarcasm
/r/seduction21/07/26 02:10 PM
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I mean if we forget the start of his post, basically he is asking for basics of seduction. Not sure how this isn’t the sub for that?
/r/seduction20/07/26 11:39 PM
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Are we really at a point where we need to mention hygiene?
/r/seduction20/07/26 10:51 PM
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Happy a random video helped you
/r/seduction20/07/26 10:21 PM
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Post is not aimed at you, you get it.
/r/seduction20/07/26 09:37 PM
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I do honestly think the rise of OLD has made people obsessed with lookism tbh...
/r/seduction20/07/26 09:11 PM
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You get it, post is not aimed at you.
/r/seduction20/07/26 09:04 PM
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That seems to really trigger you. Anyway if that makes me insecure, then cool I am insecure. Anyway what was your point?
/r/seduction20/07/26 08:09 PM
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ask u/Prudent_Impact7692 Prime example (he ironically agreed with my premise)
/r/seduction20/07/26 08:07 PM
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How does that even make sense. I am challenging an attitude that frequently pops up on this sub whenever "Game" is mentioned.
/r/seduction20/07/26 07:55 PM
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Because they did the opposite of this: https://youtu.be/qZrIxg6nKns?si=aCVSb8oN_rMu7kkr&t=2851
/r/seduction20/07/26 07:44 PM
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Well as we know, attraction cannot be created. So flirting is actually pointless and does nothing at all. Do I really need to search for "attraction cannot be created" or "its all about looks"? On THIS sub? Anyway, I can only find posts regarding NBA and LA under your name. so as far as I can see does not apply to you.
/r/seduction20/07/26 07:39 PM
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First of all, I am beyond this stage. You say in the video that routines only work due to tonality. What I am asking is, is that not the point. Once a proven routine works (in general) is t that a sign your delivery is at the point you should go natural?
/r/seduction20/07/26 06:27 PM
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Talking to random i know I should but it really is wierd unless I go out at the evening with friends then I don’t do it but at the base I talk to strangers daily I think you need to focus on this more, as it seems in inner game issue more than an outer game issue. Your belief that humans talking to other humans is weird is holding you back.
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:28 PM
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OK, you keep posting this same issue. I get it you are looking to reddit for the best answer. So what HAVE you tried: Routine Approach -- Think of an opener and rehearse it until it is natural. Then do it for real Improv classes --- Have you done any of these or practiced improv exercises from online Talking to random people daily -- Have you done this, in a non pick up situation Warm up sets -- Just asking for directions or something simple first --> some indirect approaches -- Direct approache…
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:18 PM
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Question regarding your comment on routines, I always thought the idea behind them was if you are saying the same thing (roughly), then when you start getting responsiveness, thats when you know your delivery is on key. And when you SHOULD at the latest, start going natural.....
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:06 PM
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Have you tried Google to find out?
/r/seduction20/07/26 03:48 PM
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First of all I honestly don't give 2 fucks, if you do cold approach, dating apps or hell pay for hookers. I am just curious, how did you "learn" from your cold approaches or did you just do the same thing over and over again?
/r/seduction20/07/26 11:50 AM
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The irony is, by scanning for IOIs, you are basically lowering your value, in my opinion. As you become that "creepy" guy who stands there looking around. Just my 2 cents.
/r/seduction20/07/26 11:00 AM
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Firstly, I stuck with routines too long, whilst doing inner game stuff that moved me in another direction. I did plenty of other stuff, just tried stuff for laughs, to see what would happen. But I would say what I have mentioned is the main things that changed things for me. One other thing, my mood and state before I left the door. I have been skinny --> obese --> muscular --> obese --> Muscular. (no difference what so ever) The thing that had the most impact on women approaching me, was my int…
/r/seduction20/07/26 10:54 AM
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Yes, I had her throwing herself at me. I cannot remember what I said when I was younger, but she did the whole "Your a nice guy, one day you will find a nice girl speech". Anyway years later, I had spent 6 years in the British Army. I bumped into her again, she threw herself at me. So if you wanna reverse stuff, its really simple, join the armed forces and spend some time in war zones. Trust me bro.
/r/seduction20/07/26 09:49 AM
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Mystery Method - Got me approaching initially, after a while I felt too restrained. However.... was good for warm ups, but noticed I would always go natural after a while. So initially useful, not longterm. Ross Jefferies: Rapid and Total Success, Turning Up Attractive Module - After a month of meditating and a few, my interactions were a hell of a lot more natural, and I felt a hell of a lot calmer and less in my head Cajun - Cannot remember which video, but long story short and I cannot rememb…
/r/seduction20/07/26 09:33 AM
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It’s whatever a guy does to get a woman to like him, feel safe around him and lead her to a bed (or alleyway). If you do something repeatedly and it leads to results with women, then that is your “game”. However there are loads of systems out there that may or may not work for you. There are too many to mention but basically it comes down to outer game vs inner game. What I will say is if it just “something” you do around women (yes Mystery Method… you), then it is just a performance. All that s…
/r/seduction19/07/26 09:13 PM
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You might want to reassess your relationship sounds like you want something different but not man enough to commit to what you want. Until you commit to whatever it is you want, you will never see it. What do you actually want? A “committed” relationship where you pretend you are committed? The single life? An open relationship? What do you want out of life, how do you see yourself?
/r/seduction19/07/26 08:58 PM
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Guy who knows how to listen and pay attention, rather than gather data for a Powerpoint presented graph. Good job.
/r/seduction19/07/26 06:21 AM
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Priceless
/r/seduction19/07/26 12:51 AM
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I remember once I approached some woman in a bar, she started screaming “fuck off” at me, I told her it was a pleasure meeting her and hoped she enjoys the rest of her night (genuinely not sarcastically). When I turned around to walk away, she told me to stop, gave me her name, her number and said where she would be later that night. Willingness to walk away can change things.
/r/seduction19/07/26 12:00 AM
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Is this one of the “all that matters is looks” guys now complaining that their personality is changing things. Excuse me whilst I go and roll around laughing hysterically.
/r/seduction18/07/26 11:55 PM
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So you stopped being ME ME ME, stopped judging everything she said and giving an opinion, like you just listened, texted when you were free and gave her good sex? Is that what you are saying?
/r/seduction18/07/26 10:37 PM
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Thanks, and do actually appreciate this chat we had.
/r/seduction18/07/26 10:18 PM
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Get your friend to tap her on the shoulder and say "Hi have you met [deleted]"..... nvm our man has deleted his account
/r/seduction18/07/26 09:43 PM
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Also, if you start just copying the words, you are gonna be inauthentic as hell, and yeah shit tests will happen.
/r/seduction18/07/26 09:01 PM
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Wanted to say the same thing, but could not be bothered, rather repeatedly smash my head against a brick wall.
/r/seduction18/07/26 05:23 PM
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There won’t be a need to “neg”, “push-pull”, “calibrate”, “break rapport”, or attempt to manufacture “smv”. Her attraction for you has already made those things unnecessary. I strongly disagree, there was a reason I got into all this stuff, when I was younger, I was constantly "lets just be friends", etc, or just plain stood up. I remember getting a 1 hour train to meet someone off of an online dating app. She went to the toilet, I later got a text saying "Sorry I have gone home, you were boring…
/r/seduction18/07/26 05:06 PM
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Thanks for your response. Regarding the "You can/cannot create attraction out of thin air" debate that this sub loves. All I know is that if I stand there doing nothing, generally nothing happens, yes I have had women approach me (after doing a ton of inner game and belief change work), or when younger when I had to basically get drunk to get out of my shell. What I also know is if I approach, and say the things I say, and do the things I do, I have a better chance at something happening, be it …
/r/seduction18/07/26 04:41 PM
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At that laugh, I would of switched to more direct "Yeah I know that sounded corny and stupid, but I just saw you there and wanted to see if you had a sense a humor I like". I don't think they were laughing AT you per say, but as someone else has said, you need to stay a bit more grounded.
/r/seduction18/07/26 04:18 PM
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I have always been wary of RSD. My city had a meetup group of RSD fan boys. I observed them on nights out, long story short, they were a bunch of posers. One of the things they did regularly was “practice abundance” by going out and refusing to speak to women. It seemed a strange way to learn game but if that’s what RSD teaches, what can I say (I actually have no idea what they actually taught other than Tyler’s 5 rules for success and “The Claw”). Then what was even funnier was one of them got …
/r/seduction17/07/26 11:04 PM
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DHVs and DHV stories are one of my main issues with Mystery Method (at the point I am at). Firstly, I believe actually genuinely listening and paying attention then feeding back and asking questions based on what she says is more "attractive" than telling stories that are basically "me me me me me", "I did this I did that". However.... if you are at a point where you are just asking boring interview questions, yeah I believe you can learn something from the idea of a DHV story. Relaying a funny …
/r/seduction17/07/26 10:48 PM
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Fair… i do actually agree. But I thought he was only on like day 3 of this and not beyond opening. I did the same thing myself and relied on routines for too long so do agree. But not as in just 3 days. All that said, I am not a coach and can only refer to my own experiences with this stuff. I also prefer SS but that is a completely different topic that has nothing to do with this post.
/r/seduction17/07/26 10:19 PM
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I always used best friends test to transition. Opener —> let them get engaged —> best friends test to transition—> observation —> DHV —> qualification For qualification I still use Twin Brothers sometimes. This is like a proper blast from the past. I have not touched Mustery Method for a long time (qualification still matters regardless).
/r/seduction17/07/26 10:15 PM
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As someone who started with Mystery Method. Canned routines helped me get over approach anxiety and realise nothing bad would happen. Yeah I do things totally differently now. But back then, lack of inner game would have meant none of what I do now would have worked as I lacked confidence and had anxiety. The routines helped me get over that basic block. If you cannot approach and open your mouth, conversational fundamentals are useless.
/r/seduction17/07/26 09:57 PM
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The guy feels awkward talking to women and is doing something about it. Reading “documented cases” Will not help him build confidence around women. As far as negging goes, there is a phrase “the field has the answers”.
/r/seduction17/07/26 09:27 PM
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Well we will soon find out as this guy will post his results. Not saying I am a fan of negging, but I have said worst and had women give me attention. If I had taken your advice: Either doing nothing or put them on massive pedstal, I reckon I would of gotten nowhere.
/r/seduction17/07/26 08:50 PM
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No idea, you shoot your shot, see what happens... life goes on. Mentally masturbating over percentages of women does not make the process any easier.
/r/seduction17/07/26 04:25 PM
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I have only used it in night game. I am guessing if you at a club, being seen talking to women, is better than being a mono by yourself.
/r/seduction17/07/26 02:25 PM
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I have met people from the gym.... But not at the gym, its just a good icebreaker when you see them elsewhere.
/r/seduction17/07/26 01:24 PM
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Just been on Google Maps, cannot find it, its years ago, so must be thinking of somewhere else in Notts centre, not near the tramstops
/r/seduction17/07/26 11:16 AM
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Where the square is, there are the tramstops, then there is some ally, I think with a spoons (cannot remember which one) and some bar or club thats open until 6am (or at least was). I know a few people I worked with called it Rape Alley.
/r/seduction17/07/26 11:09 AM
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Not who you replied to... I am taking your word that you had plenty of IOIs (I can only go by what you have put), in that case, if you had something real in front of you, did your brain go "Hey I will take this online and just like stories" instead of taking action on what was actually happening in Real Life? She had probably already "screened" you as a person in real life, and then you sort of take a step back, instead of moving forward. And you keep focussing on "The Trial" that is irrelevent,…
/r/seduction17/07/26 10:59 AM
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Part of “Game” is learning not to attach your self worth to how well your last set went.
/r/seduction17/07/26 12:56 AM
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Thanks... Yeah... this is why I now do meditation daily, do state building exercises regularly (not daily) and a few other things have become a regular practice. I am gonna do some of these exercises daily for a week, in the build up to the social event I am going to (basically whole city center becomes one giant party). Then if I see a positive shift, make them a regular practice.
/r/seduction16/07/26 11:55 PM
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True, but giving a fuck about "am I creepy", "what if she dosn't like me", "what if she rejects me", "what if the creep police come and send me to creep prison", "what if some guy who is 7ft tall talks to her", "what if she has been with a guy with a 12 inch cock", yeah... stop giving a fuck about that shit, just shoot your shot and live with the outcome. "Oh no she did reject me, waaa waaaa waaaaa" like why do you give a fuck, she did you a favour, you clearly are not a match for each other. Su…
/r/seduction16/07/26 11:52 PM
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IF... you are going to stick with opinion openers (for now), please get something more engaging. I might be wrong, but I would say girl in whites face lit up a bit. Or if you really wanna go the routines route to drag the convo out (I highly recommend going natural at some point, but you say you are less nervous, which is good), do best friends test or something. Just to see if they stay engaged. THEN... please make an observation about one of them and see what happens. I honestly cannot comment…
/r/seduction16/07/26 11:35 PM
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Going to watch this and do the exercises as have a massive social event coming up soon. Will be interesting to see the ways in which people perceive me compared to normal.
/r/seduction16/07/26 11:11 PM
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Also for how not to make things weird. Its simple, don't make it wierd. Just get on with your life, instead of thinking about what they are thinking. At my old place, I was fucking my neighbor for a bit. Anyway, she basically wanted to "borrow" money every time I went over (so yeah she was a prostitute basically). After I ended it, I just carried on like normal. Sure I did not even see her for 6 months even in passing, but that was her making it weird for herself. Just got to not give a fuck. Li…
/r/seduction16/07/26 11:09 PM
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Does your gym have a juice bar (no idea what they are called in USA, basically you get smoothies and stuff), just say "hey lets go get a smoothie" or something low key like that. Rather than "lets set up a practice session". Even if they were into you, you have basically made it seem you were not into them in the same way. They at least sounded like they were interested in you from what you have put. I am not gonna be harsh here, but u/Realwoujo basically sums its up. Just saying do you wanna ge…
/r/seduction16/07/26 10:46 PM
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Whenever he likes a girl, he becomes the “good” guy. Alway saying yes to her, too shy to make eye contact, zero confidence, no sexual talk or escalation, dming her 24/7 and always instantly replying, afraid to ask for dates in case of rejection. He will never make the attempt to kiss unless he knows before hand the girl likes him, even then he might not risk it. I mean if you do that and are happy living like that and being that guy --- yeah it can and does work. But is that how you really see y…
/r/seduction16/07/26 10:05 PM
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Respect again, for taking action Let us know what happens.
/r/seduction16/07/26 08:27 PM
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Nottingham is fine in the centre... yeah if you go down Rape Alley or into St Annes, you might have some trouble, but they are easy to avoid.
/r/seduction16/07/26 08:10 PM
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Manchester is great. Liverpool is great (just make sure you goto the correct quarter, ie the Cavern Quarter is a totally different vibe and crowd compared to say the student quarter or the LGBTQ quarter). Nottingham is good, but the bars and clubs are spread around (while since I have been to Notts, but always did Saltwater, Pitcher And Piano, Tantra, not sure what its called now and then Coco Tang). If you goto Pit and Pendulum, heads up, the toilets are behind a fake wall, so if you ask where …
/r/seduction16/07/26 08:09 PM
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I like speaking to humans, I dunno what else to say. I enjoy going to social events, where women (and men) are and talking to people, as opposed to ignoring everyone. When I am in bars or where ever, I like talking to people. I dunno where the "enthusiasm" comes from, its just something I do.
/r/seduction16/07/26 08:03 PM
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Cold approach is different to social circle.... Also I don't have the ability to spend months with every woman. Its approach, put your best self forward, see how she responds and take it from there. Not approach, spend months chatting, then take it from there.
/r/seduction16/07/26 07:59 PM
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My personal advice, reach out, and do not dwell on the "no sex" thing. Just arrange another date, if she emphasizes the "no sex", just agree and carry on.
/r/seduction16/07/26 05:16 PM
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Fully agree. A lot of issues, are actually ones that a person cannot percieve themselves, they are too inside the box, they need someone outside the box. I have never had proper coaching.... but when I first started this stuff, I had a couple of wingmen who were as interested as I was (not just people I would go out with on a friday and saturday night only), and we would critique each others body language and so on, as best we could with our limited knowledge. And yeah, all of us were making cha…
/r/seduction16/07/26 05:11 PM
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After reading this post several times and asking myself, if I were out in a bar on a Friday night and was a bit stumped, would this post help me? I have come to the conclusion that despite use of words such as "value", "feedback mechanism", "essence", "calibration", "high value", this post actually holds no value what so ever. In fact it kind of states the obvious in a way. Which is kind of ironic given the supposed topic of the post is on "giving value".
/r/seduction16/07/26 04:58 PM
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What women say they want, what women think they want and what women respond to.... are all very different things. That said.... if she is denial of reality and has no self awareness..... I would move on. But for the sake of one date, where she might be feeling like she has been used, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. If by say date 3, you are meeting and fucking and she is still coming out with this.... then yeah move on, Hell by end of date 2, tbh..... One possible interpretation (amongst many…
/r/seduction16/07/26 04:46 PM
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I had the same sort of thought recently. That all it really is is basic social skills that lots of people already have and don't need to 'learn'. My social skills were already 'ok ish' and maybe that's why I I've not felt like i've really 'learnt' anything in all the books. I was not at that point when I first got into this, so I found certain books useful, up until a point. But if anything I would say its just a set of social exercises. Mostly I would say what helped me the most was changing a …
/r/seduction16/07/26 02:31 PM
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Yeah do agree. The thoing is that I don't blame the newbies per say. If you've never done something before, you naturally ask broad questions because you don't yet know where your getting stuck. Once you've taken some action and have reference points, the questions become much more specific, and the advice becomes much more useful. I think Learning to learn, especially for seduction and social skills is a huge thing. I know for myself, before I ever found the seduction community, I had plenty of…
/r/seduction16/07/26 02:15 PM
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Thanks, am in agreemnt. I think identifying the problem someone is trying to solve is the biggest thing that gets lost in these discussions.
/r/seduction16/07/26 01:04 PM
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Rules of the game, is a set of challenges, you do not just "read" it. Mystery Method, has challenges at the end of every chapter, you do not just "read" it. Stuff by Ross, is very practical based, you do not just "read" it.
/r/seduction16/07/26 01:01 PM
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As we are getting technical here.... There are different types of negs, shotgun negs and sniper negs. Yes in MM, it says to Neg the target. But at end of the day, a neg is just a tool in your belt... The friend seemed up her high horse, and guys were avoiding her or being shot down ruthlessly. So whilst she was not my "target", I still wanted her to wind her neck in a bit.. and it did its intended job. Was I doing Mystery Method, step by step.... nope.... did I apply the neg correctly for its in…
/r/seduction16/07/26 11:34 AM
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This is more of a "when I speak to everyone" skill, forget seduction, this is communicating 101. When you are talking, you need to go first. So make sure you feel a little bit of the emotion you want to convey (and have them feel) then say what you say. As opposed to speaking like a passionless robot. This is also easy to practice as you can practice it with anyone and everyone, until it becomes natural.
/r/seduction16/07/26 09:47 AM
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Thanks… Sure there are more of us out there.
/r/seduction16/07/26 12:54 AM
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It was from "The Pickup Artist TV Show". There is a whole story to how that whole situation came about: I was in a bar with a mate (After watching "The Pickup Artist" at my apartment/flat). There was some woman who was and I say this seriously a perfect 10 , I said something to her, she really was not impressed. I did some hand motion, which caught her hand, and sent her drink flying and smashing into the ceiling. Anyway she started yelling at me, I told her to "calm the hell down and tell me wh…
/r/seduction16/07/26 12:16 AM
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Not OP. I was taking to someone once, anyway her friend just gave me the finger, so I dropped a “is she always like this, you can dress her up but can’t take her anywhere” (boob tube and an actual chain round her neck with “Barbie” on it). Then I just carried on what I was doing. The friend seemed a bit shocked and actually lightened up at that point. Anyway I do think there is a time and place for negging, but not as a general thing to do.
/r/seduction15/07/26 11:53 PM
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What did you expect to happen? Did you pause and wait or just keep talking?
/r/seduction15/07/26 11:50 PM
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As far as actually flirting goes, yeah. I even had one messaging me wanting to arrange a hotel hookup, thats the one I noped out of. Still stand by my choice. I am quite indirect in structure (I started off with Mystery Method), I generally approach groups of people, so like to carry out a logistics check. But long story short, yes I have. When women are on their "weekend city breaks", the ones willing to cheat, will do so. Also, I have been told things like "Oh that guy isn't my boyfriend, he i…
/r/seduction15/07/26 11:28 PM
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Kudos for taking action. As for how to continue the conversation, make an observation, LoveSystems added a "transition" phase into the Mystery Method. So for the person who mentioned ChatGPT, you could make an assumption "I bet you are the sort of person who asks AI for everything where as your friend is more of a risk taker and just does what ever feels right for them?" Sure they may have taken pity. But at the minute I would say focus on getting comfortable doing cold approach. Sooner or later…
/r/seduction15/07/26 11:17 PM
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I will be totally honest with you, if it was a night out, and some woman who was from another city, invited me back to their hotel, I wouldn't care either way. Its when its someone local, or they are actually after a full on affair. I was never one to comment on these sorts of things originally (as was never in the situation, so had no idea how I would react to it), but after being put in a situation, where I could of met up with some forbidden fruit, I noped out due to concerns, maybe my previo…
/r/seduction15/07/26 11:12 PM
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Its all fun and games and probably easier as married women do not have a giant checklist, they just wanna fuck and want it on the quiet (so no social group shannanigans). But..... dangerous side effects from boot prints becoming a permanent part of your face, to having new holes to breathe out of being created by bullets, to a bunch of friendly chaps knocking on your door and beating the living shit of of you.... may happen, maybe just one, maybe all of them.... or maybe nothing.... just not wor…
/r/seduction15/07/26 11:02 PM
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Good luck bro. See you on the other side.
/r/seduction15/07/26 08:27 PM
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"he himself embraces his own sexual liberation and duality, but the women who would be his wife ought to be a woman that doesn’t and cannot embrace hers." I think discussion is less about OP specifically and more about the broader point you are raising. Is it hypocritical for someone to be comfortable with casual sex but still have different preferences when choosing a long-term partner? I belive someone can be sexually open-minded while also wanting a different dynamic in a long-term relationsh…
/r/seduction15/07/26 08:07 PM
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What does any of this have to do with commitment, it’s “seduction” not “relationships”. I am not OP, and I would not say I have the same approach to this stuff as them. But the last thing it sounds like he is doing is leading women on, in fact he sounds quite direct and upfront what he wants. Anyway I don’t see what “sexual liberation” has to do with a woman being unable to lock a guy down. Thats more a girl game thing, pretty sure there are subs dedicated to that.
/r/seduction15/07/26 05:54 PM
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They are attracted to your money though.
/r/seduction15/07/26 05:17 PM
3

“Where there’s a problem, there’s money to be made” - Erik Von Markovik Not getting laid can be a pretty huge fucking problem for some guys.
/r/seduction15/07/26 04:55 PM
1

You know what.... instead of asking an opinion on an opinion opener. Go out, try it 10 times and form your own opinion. Personally, I do not think it is engaging enough.
/r/seduction15/07/26 03:29 PM
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OK well just quit then
/r/seduction15/07/26 01:02 PM
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I think it's more on the one-to-one approach or one-to-one date, that their friend's opinion begins to count for less, and your opinion begins to count for more. Yeah I fully agree here, and with everything you have said. I will also note though, the phenomenon of group-inspired sluttiness. So it going the complete other way. Some female friends go out and encourage their friends to be more slutty and sleep with more guys. You might also see this dynamic at bachelorette parties with male strippe…
/r/seduction15/07/26 11:46 AM
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Whilst I totally agree that being non judgemental and bringing up the topic of sex does change things in a 1 on 1 setting. This bit I still fully disagree with however: "You see what she's worried about? YOUR male judgement. NOT the judgement from others." And before you take things very literally, I am talking about MY OWN EXPERIENCES not making a rule. I know this nuance is lost by you: Women wanting to drag you off to a dark corner or different part of club, bar, away from their friends. Them…
/r/seduction15/07/26 11:36 AM
2

I will be honest, Pickup helped me a lot in general in life, but the stuff that it helped the most and had the most impact was not pickup itself. However, all this stuff bled into my interactions with women and at social events.
/r/seduction15/07/26 09:58 AM
1

I'm a Hypnotica Fanboy, I used hs hypnotic products to literally redesign the way I think.
/r/seduction15/07/26 08:33 AM
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Tell me about it. I know certain things in the PUA community are manipulative as fuck, but I would not put what is basically a technical description of how to "tease someone" as insulting. If someone was insulted it is not a neg.
/r/seduction14/07/26 07:40 PM
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Are you doing day game or night game? Are you approaching groups or single women? If you are doing nightgame and approaching groups, you can still do a false time constraint, and ask opinion whilst body rocking. But personally, I would not see the need to. ONLY if you are totally frozen with anxiety, do you really need an opener "in the can". Probably easier to make an observation or comment. I still find false time constraints useful though to chuck in every now and then. And for the love of go…
/r/seduction14/07/26 06:24 PM
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He is asking about openers not negging. Negging fits into A2 not A!. Please tell me more about Openers. Have you even read the method. I am not even a fan, but I at least don't make shit up.
/r/seduction14/07/26 06:21 PM
1

Don't get me wrong, running a lair has its own types of drama. As fun as that time was, and I have some great memories and yeah did have some great friends (probably for first time in my life, yeah the feeling of being accepted helped me a lot, it was a new thing for me)... I will say this, NEVER AGAIN
/r/seduction14/07/26 05:25 PM
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Fair enough.... I was going out to bars and clubs regardless and did not get into this stuff a complete noob, so I had reference points from my past. I was just sick of "You seem a great guy, but I just like you as a friend", hearing it twice in a 12 hour period just did it for me. Then someone told me to read "The Game" and a few things clicked into place. Then I basically looked into the route Strauss took, and just copied that to see what would happen. I never ran a project [city_name] but I …
/r/seduction14/07/26 05:03 PM
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I never looked at the "conversion rates", for me it was just "hey what I am currently doing is not working, what can I do differently". Then I assessed myself if I got more interest or less interest. Not saying it was a quick process, but for me it was better than staying doing what I was doing. I do acknowledge a lot of guys want instant guaranteed results though.
/r/seduction14/07/26 04:46 PM
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Check DM
/r/seduction14/07/26 04:36 PM
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I am in agreement that coaches use marketing, like most companies do. However the thing is Coaches normally have free content that you can still pick stuff up from. BlackPillers however only peddle doom and gloom.
/r/seduction14/07/26 04:21 PM
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Not who you responded to, the main thing I took from Gambler was forcing IOIs, not sure if that is mentioned in his books or it was on a 21 convention YT video though.
/r/seduction14/07/26 04:03 PM
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You are misunderstanding what an abundance mindset means. It does not mean "having money" or that you automatically become attractive to women. It means not treating every interaction as your only opportunity. If you see a woman on the street and think "this is my only chance, I have to make this work", that creates pressure and can lead to behavior like chasing someone down or trying to force an interaction. Someone with an abundance mindset thinks "I would like to talk to her, but if she isn't…
/r/seduction14/07/26 03:53 PM
2

I am guessing they DM, instead of exchanging details in public view
/r/seduction14/07/26 03:51 PM
0

If you are a trillionare, and can just walk into a nightclub and basically buy the place for the night and have massive social proof, why the fuck are you bothered about "bitches" (as you call them) on the street?
/r/seduction14/07/26 03:33 PM
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ok
/r/seduction14/07/26 03:27 PM
1

Not sure where I said rich, just successful as in successful with women.
/r/seduction14/07/26 03:24 PM
1

Not OP, Eric Von Sydow (Hypnotica) created a product called Masters Circle, where he spent 20 years or so interviewing 24 different guys whom he classed as succssful (there is also a hypnotic track to rewire your thinking), each one is very different in their mindset and views and what they do. The only thing they all had in common was confidence and belief in themselves.
/r/seduction14/07/26 02:57 PM
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I am so happy I am not the only one noticing this.
/r/seduction14/07/26 02:34 PM
0

Maybe if you are contemplating chasing a woman down in the way he described, you should really stop for a minute and think about your life.
/r/seduction14/07/26 02:26 PM
1

If you look at OPs profile it says “girly girl” which makes it all the more stranger.
/r/seduction14/07/26 01:54 PM
1

Please learn to gain an abundance mindset.
/r/seduction14/07/26 01:35 PM
5

It’s also said they want a “nice Guy”, that they prefer a dad bod, etc. Are you gonna quit the gym and become a doormat as well.
/r/seduction14/07/26 01:29 PM
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All that said, props for taking action regardless.
/r/seduction14/07/26 01:15 PM
3

Actually got social events and talk to people.
/r/seduction14/07/26 01:01 PM
2

So if someone likes talking to people they are abnormal? Do you beat them when they talk to other people to “teach them their place”.
/r/seduction14/07/26 12:28 PM
5

Hypnotica - Masters Circle, Collection of Confidence, SMA and MDSM Ross Jefferies - Total Rapid Success, Final Frontier and Nail your inner Game Mystery - Mostly just the book Mystery Method. Plenty of videos on Youtube Check your DM for more detail on them
/r/seduction14/07/26 11:37 AM
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I went from Mystery Method, which was very robotic Then whilst doing a lot of Inner Game stuff by Hypnotica and focussing on confidence, sexual confidence, authenticity, etc, I stopped Mystery Method as I realized it was too robotic, but needed it initially. Then just lots of playing with various other things, and seeing what worked and what didn't. More like "lets see what happens when I do this", instead of treating it like a "rule". Then did some of the OG Ross Jeffries stuff, to stop ruminat…
/r/seduction14/07/26 11:31 AM
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So many people expect to just get good at this without failing and practice Thats the issue, just a good job they had a different mindset when learning to walk. Imagine a baby falling over once and saying "Nope walking is impossible because [insert excuse here]"
/r/seduction14/07/26 11:20 AM
1

Rejection is part of the game... it is what it is. Part of game is understanding this stuff.... recognizing who is interested and who is not.
/r/seduction14/07/26 10:08 AM
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Stop watching it then..... you have agency right? There are loads of things on YouTube I don't like, so I don't watch it...
/r/seduction14/07/26 10:07 AM
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Give yourself stronger criteria for "success", you are clearly past the "getting good at approaching" stage. How many lead to sex... Now what is your "success" rate? Also I would say getting a number and an instant date are 2 totally separate things. A text message means jack shit, unless it leads to meeting up. Unless.... you are a complete noob, then yeah its a result
/r/seduction14/07/26 08:59 AM
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Why is OP posting for kudos? This stuff happens.... Ive had a mate who granted didn't know at the time, but was hanging out with an escort. Really don't see why this is a brag. Granted, it does break rule 1, as do a lot of other posts.
/r/seduction14/07/26 08:53 AM
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If you are in a shit relationship that isn't giving you what you need, then yeah if it is totally unsalvagable, then leave. But saying the reason is "for love of game" just comes across in a bad way. More likely you like the idea of having freedom to do what you want. Maybe you need to sit down and think long and hard on "Am I living the life I want, am I the person I want to be". That is the real issue, and Game will not fix either of those.
/r/seduction14/07/26 07:35 AM
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Then just approach, have a conversation and find out. Embrace the uncertainty, instead of needing some sort of permission and pondering on if you are reading the signs correctly. I have been there, there is no definite answer to any of this, ultimately it comes down to you shooting your shot, and seeing what happens. But on a side note, I would rather approach someone making eye contact than someone not. However even eye contact is never guaranteed. Just gotta face the uncertainty and go for it,
/r/seduction14/07/26 07:18 AM
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It was reliance on alcohol that got me into this whole community a long time ago. When Sober I was an anxious mess, when tipsy or slightly drunk, I could at least talk to women. The pros: Yeah its called "A pint of courage" for a reason It gives evidence that you can actually talk to women and if you pull, yeah it proves you can pull so you are less likely to be full of stupid negative beliefs about yourself. Going out drinking is actually a way to meet cool people. The cons: Hangovers Does not …
/r/seduction14/07/26 07:15 AM
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There is no all in one "reliable" source. You are looking for 100% concrete solutions, there is none. What you need instead is a willingness to go outside, approach and LEARN. Also a willingness to try new ideas, just to see what happens (as far as books and videos go), then take what works for you and discard the rest. Finally, you need a way to learn and reflect, whilst also at the same time not dwelling or ruminating on what went wrong and beating yourself up. Also for every hour of theory yo…
/r/seduction14/07/26 06:57 AM
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Hello, you have given a perfect example of a conversation related to data, facts and figures. You paid no attention to her as a person. What book is she reading? Fair question How long does it take to finish? Who gives a fuck, are you making a chart on how long it takes to read different genres or something. How about what is it about books that you enjoy the most? Do you ever find yourself wishing you were in a book instead of real life, and if so what would the book be like? I complimented her…
/r/seduction14/07/26 06:48 AM
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Hello younger me, anyway if I could go back in time, here is what I would tell myself: You don't know why she's looking at you. It could be attraction, curiosity, coincidence, or nothing at all. If you find her attractive, go and have a normal conversation. If she's interested, great. If she isn't, that's okay too.
/r/seduction14/07/26 06:20 AM
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I did read your original comment. Where I disagree is with the absolute statement that it has nothing to do with what OP is doing. Surely both things can be true? At the OP's age, the dating market is what it is, but there is still a dating market. It's not as if he suddenly becomes the only man in the world with no competition. If he's taking a genuine interest in people, communicating honestly, and putting more effort into dates, I don't see why those things would suddenly become irrelevant. C…
/r/seduction14/07/26 06:14 AM
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Nice post
/r/seduction13/07/26 11:07 PM
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Just move on…
/r/seduction13/07/26 11:03 PM
1

Are you actually curious or interested in them? I like finding out about them.... Maybe make your objective "find out about girl I approach" or "find out if she is someone I would want to spend time with".
/r/seduction13/07/26 10:43 PM
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So if he didn't do any of those, it would be just as easy. If he showed no interest, communicated dishonestly, was uncreative and came up with boring dates, it would be the same experience for OP?
/r/seduction13/07/26 10:34 PM
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The approach is not going to change you from a nice guy. All indirect means is "breaking the ice" in an indirect way. If you look at any of the models of seduction where these terms come from, indirect does NOT mean be boring and never escalate. All it means, is get her to show IOIs and qualify herself before stating your own intent. Thats it, its not the whole interaction is indirect, its just the first 3 - 5 minutes are indirect. That does not make you a nice guy. There is more to being a nice…
/r/seduction13/07/26 10:09 PM
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Best way, I did not find the "technical" side of these things until I had a lot of time being unsuccessful and sometimes sucessful. The technical stuff and theory, just made a few things click into place. Just go out and approach. And be willing to fail. And be willing to try new things.
/r/seduction13/07/26 08:45 PM
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I will get over it
/r/seduction13/07/26 08:29 PM
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As per I just responded to someone else, on this post: Some women prefer an indirect approach, some prefer an indirect approach. Norwegian dude at least to me appears to me moralizing it. That said however, I think its more to do with the way OP has written it to sound like some universal fact about women. In these sorts of subs, I always find it best to add an implied "to me" or "in my experience" to the start of every "fact". It makes things easier. I actually normally add an "in my experience…
/r/seduction13/07/26 08:22 PM
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Some women prefer an indirect approach, some prefer an indirect approach. Norwegian dude at least to me appears to me moralizing it. That said however, I think its more to do with the way OP has written it to sound like some universal fact about women. In these sorts of subs, I always find it best to add an implied "to me" or "in my experience" to the start of every "fact". It makes things easier.
/r/seduction13/07/26 08:20 PM
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Not who you responded to... Sums it up.... Women do not like to feel like sluts. She is gonna talk to her friends, if she says "Yeah I invited some guy back for a fuck", its gonna be judged a lot more than if "it just happened".
/r/seduction13/07/26 08:10 PM
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Not sure if this is any different from Anti Slut Defense. But nice post. From my own experiences, women will create excuses for you to go back with them, ie "I am going home to watch 'The Lost Boys', want to watch it with me, don't expect anything to happen though" Then you are sat on their couch and its "I have a TV in my bedroom, my bed is more comfortable, don't expect anything to happen though". Like just agree. Then you are in bed with them, and they take your dick in their mouth. The "noth…
/r/seduction13/07/26 07:57 PM
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Not who you replied to. Advice is only useful if you go out and experiment with it, then make your own views based on the results Not saying OP isn’t doing that, but a lot of guys (including myself at times) have at one point fallen into the trap of consuming material but not taking action. Also, my own view, never take “advice” as rules set in stone, ultimately it’s just ideas to play with. Take action, make your own model of reality, based on results.
/r/seduction10/07/26 10:49 AM
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Agreed... one persons idea of a relationship, may be totally different to anothers.
/r/seduction10/07/26 08:59 AM
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First of all, you seem to be dealing with rejection, like it is nothing. Respect. Secondly, approach 24, congrats on facing uncertainity and having a IDGAF attitude and just going for it. I like your mindset.
/r/seduction10/07/26 08:33 AM
1

Can we go back to writing dissertations on eye contact please, this is just getting
/r/seduction10/07/26 12:15 AM
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Some people are into that kinda thing. It’s 2026, dont judge.
/r/seduction10/07/26 12:10 AM
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Not who you are responding to. People obsessed with politics. That said I have only met one woman who has talked about politics on a first date. It is not a topic i personally bring up… ever.
/r/seduction10/07/26 12:07 AM
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Accept that you are attractive and she is mostly attracted. Then go and talk to her. Otherwise after a month or so, this will just become creepy.
/r/seduction09/07/26 11:51 PM
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Try the wiki
/r/seduction09/07/26 11:49 PM
1

I think its the most misunderstood thing. There is a huge difference between negs and insults.
/r/seduction09/07/26 08:03 PM
1

Check your DM, sent you an inner game resource that may help… by Hypnotica
/r/seduction09/07/26 05:52 PM
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A lot of people in this sub don't even seem able to approach. I don't think this is the sort of article that is needed here.
/r/seduction09/07/26 04:56 PM
1

You will make more progress than if you do nothing.
/r/seduction09/07/26 03:39 PM
2

Please read "No More Mr Nice Guy" and do all the breaking free exercises.
/r/seduction09/07/26 01:13 PM
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Interesting, you quoted me out of context. I will let you in on a secret. The guys who use these techniques and achieve success, are either expert manipulators, or more likely, they are already attractive and just don't believe it. Using techniques such as pushpull, helps them game themselves to accept they are attractive. As changing ones view of ones self, is not an overnight thing. Where did I even mention negs?
/r/seduction09/07/26 01:00 PM
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Why do you always mention the pushpull method? You seem very fixated on it. I will let you in on a secret. The guys who use these techniques and achieve success, are either expert manipulators, or more likely, they are already attractive and just don't believe it. Using techniques such as pushpull, helps them game themselves to accept they are attractive. As changing ones view of ones self, is not an overnight thing. Anyway I will look forward to when you next mention it, almost like clockwork. …
/r/seduction09/07/26 12:51 PM
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If you are already doing day game and night game, just use whatever you are most comfortable with, you don't want to sound like you are forcing something.
/r/seduction09/07/26 12:33 PM
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They are looking at phones because they are bored and fed up. Why not brighten up their day? Reality is, there is no correct answer and this is impossible to answer. Its about how you frame it in your mind.
/r/seduction09/07/26 11:07 AM
1

Give yourself permission to just talk to women, no goals, no end game, just say hello and talk. Not every conversation has to end with seduction.
/r/seduction09/07/26 08:55 AM
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I never do dinner dates initially, at least not until I have slept with them. This is not a cost thing. I am not a foodie, and going out for meals is not really something I do anyway. If I am seeing someone however... I will make sacrifices and compromise. But for first date, nope, I want something I enjoy. As far as dates go, I only do things and go places I would go to regardless. As far as paying goes, yeah I will pay for the first date. Lets be honest, if I was going somewhere with a mate an…
/r/seduction09/07/26 07:54 AM
3

I think a post on oneitis would be more helpful.
/r/seduction09/07/26 07:38 AM
1

I just view what coaches say as being “what works for them”, not as rules set in stone. I can’t see why someone who does direct Openers day in and day out would suddenly start praising indirect. And vice versa. However even with indirect you have to state your intent sooner or later. Just using an indirect ice breaker does not change everything. If you truly desire someone, they are gonna know it. Take IOIs for example, it’s all non verbal, is it not too hard to grasp that us guys give off our o…
/r/seduction08/07/26 09:31 PM
1

She does not want to be the one doing the dumping (how else can she complain to her friends that she got dumped and get validation), however she is making the "relationship" so toxic that any man in his right mind will have dumped her by now. End it, and move on.
/r/seduction08/07/26 05:18 PM
1

I personally have a strict no dinner dates for first date, they are reserved for someone I am already sleeping with. Anyway, I will only do something on a date that I would do anyway. A date is me introducing a woman into my reality, they can get a sample of me and see if they like it. If not... off they fuck, I don't buy into this "extravagant things to impress a woman". So anyway for me, first dates will be things like: Cocktail bar or lounge, ideally rooftop terrace Couple of decent bars I kn…
/r/seduction08/07/26 03:04 PM
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Same, sure I do a lot of things for their own sake now: Gym, eat healthy, meditation, etc. But I would be lying if I said the initial drive to do all that wasn't getting laid.
/r/seduction08/07/26 12:03 PM
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Attraction cannot be negotiated - no brainer
/r/seduction08/07/26 11:57 AM
1

I am gonna be blunt.... why are you on this sub. Like I get it, this shit is autistic as fuck and cringey as fuck at times (well a lot). But do you not have things you actually like doing. Sorry, just trying to understand the mindset of ranting about what other guys do. All I can think, is you tried the Misery Method and it didn't work for you. Like no big deal bro... I have tried many things in life and failed, I just move on. Seriously you need to do some inner healing and cure that inner ince…
/r/seduction08/07/26 11:27 AM
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I just don’t want to end up on the news after a Psycho husband finds out and pays me a visit or pays for someone to pay me a visit. Walking and breathing are two of my favourite hobbies.
/r/seduction08/07/26 10:12 AM
2

I have had the opportunity, but noped out. If it was someone inviting me back to a hotel after meeting her on a night out and she didn't mention she was married, I wouldn't care one way or another. But I had someone telling me they were married, then wanting to meet up. At that point it was a nope. I think I fuck myself over with my principles at times. Oh well.....
/r/seduction08/07/26 09:37 AM
2

Luckily I am not interested in religion, philosophy or politics.
/r/seduction08/07/26 08:44 AM
1

Well just remember to write a field report of your time in the Red Light District.
/r/seduction08/07/26 08:10 AM
1

It sounds like a her problem.
/r/seduction08/07/26 06:37 AM
3

I think I need a break from this sub.
/r/seduction08/07/26 06:19 AM
1

You learn by trial and error
/r/seduction08/07/26 06:05 AM
4

It’s just an icebreaker… And at least in the UK, not “Everyone” has earbuds in… But whatever
/r/seduction07/07/26 11:14 PM
1

Congrats on taking action.
/r/seduction07/07/26 10:36 PM
7

A pack of skittles. Be a skittles man, https://heartiste.org/2009/05/19/be-a-skittles-man/
/r/seduction07/07/26 09:31 PM
2

Hell just listen to an audio book version on Youtube.
/r/seduction07/07/26 07:18 PM
2

Yes
/r/seduction07/07/26 07:05 PM
1

I love this response.
/r/seduction07/07/26 06:41 PM
6

Train station is easy: "I dunno about you, but I am sick of waiting for trains", then make an observation about her.
/r/seduction07/07/26 06:15 PM
1

Same
/r/seduction07/07/26 05:11 PM
1

Same, its why I opted out of dating apps, like why am I gonna play on hard mode, and not present myself properly, when easier alternatives exist?
/r/seduction07/07/26 05:10 PM
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Remind yourself that by not saying anything you are gonna mess it up.
/r/seduction07/07/26 03:42 PM
3

He never actually advocated becoming a magician.... I read that book repeatedly, watched god knows how many Youtube channels, and had multiple video products... He never actually advocated just copying him, it was more along the lines of "create an avatar that suits you" (I hated that phrasing).... Even the routines, he clearly states they are just examples. Like I am no fan of Mystery Method any more for various reasons, but none of them are the reasons I hear people say are the problems with i…
/r/seduction07/07/26 01:15 PM
16

Nah, I find this stuff fun.,, Just a shame we need wages to live
/r/seduction07/07/26 01:10 PM
2

Lockdown I started buying into this shit. But as soon as it was lifted, I went outside and my mindset flipped back to normal.
/r/seduction07/07/26 11:45 AM
1

Thats also why it dosnt make sense. Trying to turn something that is emotional into a binary algorithm makes sense.
/r/seduction07/07/26 11:31 AM
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Also, instead of wasting brain cells, oxygen and minutes of your life watching shit like Blackpill, go read No More Mr Nice Guy, it will help you in life more than those videos ever will. Or read some evolutionary theory. Hell watch paint dry, or water boil, it will still add more value to your life as a whole.
/r/seduction07/07/26 11:08 AM
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I have a mate who drifts in and out of blackpill beliefs. At the minute he is on a roll. But the minute that dies off, he will be back to "I am not a millionare or 6ft tall, I am doomed". It is like he just forgets he was ever with a woman, and when he was with these women, he did not magically become a millionaire or grow an extra 4 inches in height.
/r/seduction07/07/26 11:03 AM
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I miss the days when Basic Evolutionary Theory was recommended reading for seduction.
/r/seduction07/07/26 11:00 AM
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You can also be a Chad and still get cheated on BTW, just look at Quaid, Pitt or Pattinson. Why would those people be immune from being cheated on? Looks do not make a person immune to being cheated on. Please re-examine your beliefs
/r/seduction07/07/26 10:34 AM
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Dating apps do change the dynamic a bit. But dating apps are not the be all end all of dating. On a dating app, all there is to go by, is a set of photos.
/r/seduction07/07/26 09:13 AM
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At least the Mystery Method meant taking action and discovering things yourself. Not just making a theory to justify doing nothing. I am not a massive fan of MM these days, but.... at the time... it did bring me some value It motivated me to approach (the first exercise in the book, was to go out for 4 hours a night, approach one set every 15 minutes, that helped me overcome a lot of anxiety) DHVs - not saying DHV stories are good or bad. But it got me talking about myself (granted I am more int…
/r/seduction07/07/26 09:08 AM
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I just pay no attention to black pill as have had similar experiences to what you mention.
/r/seduction07/07/26 08:21 AM
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Do daily 5 minute meditation, will help you not get stuck in your head. Approach more (within reason, do not become a pinball. pinging from woman to woman). Otherwise, all good.
/r/seduction07/07/26 06:29 AM
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If you do not believe yourself to be attractive, how can you expect others to be attracted. If you cannot love yourself, how can you expect others to love you.
/r/seduction07/07/26 06:06 AM
1

Other than make women maybe think “he is physically hot”. And then getting on with their lives, what have you actually done from a seduction standpoint?
/r/seduction06/07/26 08:01 PM
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I am sure he would get over it.
/r/seduction06/07/26 07:59 PM
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I am happy that this time I do not feel like I am being personally attacked. I don’t feel like it’s written about me anymore, or at least the majority of it.
/r/seduction06/07/26 07:55 PM
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If OP goes out and actually takes action, they will discover “getting into state” (becoming fully present as opposed to stuck in your head) soon enough.
/r/seduction06/07/26 07:54 PM
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The Dutch are taught English from an early age. They actually know how to teach languages properly in the Netherlands. As for France and Belgium, no idea. Try it and find out.
/r/seduction06/07/26 07:02 PM
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Funny you should talk about "present in the moment", I have just done my daily "Being present and grounded" practice. I am in agreement with what you say.
/r/seduction06/07/26 07:01 PM
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I don't think those things can be taught per say.... you have to learn it through experience.
/r/seduction06/07/26 06:58 PM
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No, you should be mindful. This rule applies to cold approaches and as long as you are not doing enough to burn out the place: do 100 approaches in NY and that is a drop in the ocean, do 100 approaches in a little village and you are the talk of the town. Do you think people are too stupid to apply common sense?
/r/seduction06/07/26 06:56 PM
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Honestly I have no idea about "maybe girls". What I do know.... if I do not approach, I will never find out if they are attracted. Even if they think I am their type physically, if I am boring, in a bad mood, have nothing to see, that will cause them to lose attraction, or at least interest (they may still like me physically, but that will be it). Even if they are not giving me full on IOIs, it means jackshit. If I was looking for IOIs, and only then approached, I would never have met half the w…
/r/seduction06/07/26 05:40 PM
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I hate the number scale. For me its more binary. Attracted vs Not Attracted.
/r/seduction06/07/26 03:46 PM
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You need to do some inner game work on your current belief that if a "woman shows interest and likes me, I must deny her any future opportunity of continuing to do so as she is not allowed to see guys ever again" to something more healthy.
/r/seduction06/07/26 07:44 AM
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Hell no, respect to them, carry an "attitude of gratitude". Jealousy is a toxic mindset.
/r/seduction06/07/26 07:26 AM
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Not who you are now replying too. Of course I will not just randomly ask people their number. But if the convo flows smoothly and they are giving as much as they are taking, then yeah damn right I will. Also it takes seconds, not sure how you do not have "time" for a mere sentance. And as that Norwegian dude said, its more that this is new to you. Yes step outside of your comfort zone (how else do you grow as a person) but only a little bit at a time. Anyway, lets go back in time to RSD: https:/…
/r/seduction05/07/26 08:12 AM
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Take it you read the title only. OP is talking about steps.
/r/seduction05/07/26 07:10 AM
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Well what else do you think you should do????? I mean I guess you could ask her dad for permission but this is 2026.
/r/seduction05/07/26 06:56 AM
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Please read and apply "No More Mr Nice Guy" by Dr Robert Glover. I am 100% confident that will solve most of your issues. However this will require working on yourself, so will not be an overnight fix.
/r/seduction05/07/26 06:44 AM
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On the day, yes you should of gone up and waited. However, it is now "years later" and you are rumunating over this one girl, thats what is strange (maybe creepy was too strong).
/r/seduction05/07/26 06:33 AM
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Just say “thanks” and carry on talking.
/r/seduction04/07/26 10:18 PM
1

Instead of thinking “Am I creepy” think “I wonder what makes her tick” then go and find out.
/r/seduction04/07/26 10:13 PM
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Not OP but ironically rereading that book right now. Think it’s gonna be one I revisit yearly for a while. Need it to sink in.
/r/seduction04/07/26 09:51 PM
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I am gonna be blunt. Why does it matter? If you see someone you like, approach or dont approach, it’s your life your choice. If a woman approaches you, cool, happy days. Working out some weird percentage of how often it happens is not gonna reduce approach anxiety nor will it make women more likely to approach you.
/r/seduction04/07/26 09:47 PM
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Some guys on here expect the women to lead.
/r/seduction04/07/26 09:44 PM
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Not who you are replying to. Do you want to build a skill or rely on luck. If nothing else, you probably have more chance of getting lucky whilst learning a skill.
/r/seduction04/07/26 06:40 PM
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Pick one and stick with it. Get a feel for what works and what does not, add your style/flair.
/r/seduction04/07/26 05:11 PM
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There is no black or white answer. From everything you have said, my personal view is you would of been fine in doing what you were doing. You are overthing ALL of this.
/r/seduction04/07/26 02:16 PM
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UNWANTED repeated contact. Say she was not interested in you, yet you kept waiting for her, following her, maybe video recording her, turning up everywhere she went. Look you sound a nice enough guy, from what you have written. I am pretty sure, say you had carried on waiting for her, and she had rejected you then, you would of called it a day and taken a hint, That said, I have just noticed you prefaced this with "A couple of years ago", NOW, your behavior is hitting creepy ground.
/r/seduction04/07/26 02:14 PM
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So you met someone you liked and acted all strange and basically rejected them because you were worried they might think "Hey I enjoyed talking to that guy, now he is asking for contact details so we can continue where we left off". What you are doing NOW, is creepy and strange. If you had just seen her and said "Hey I really enjoyed your company, is there a way to continue this", you would of been normal. Instead you talked yourself out of it all. Congragulations. On a serious note, use some co…
/r/seduction04/07/26 08:56 AM
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Not who you replied to. Talk to them, but do not behave needy or desperate. Chasing != Opening or escalating. Just chill about it all. Can you talk to a friend without obsessing over responses, and needing their validation? Treat women the same way.
/r/seduction04/07/26 08:10 AM
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Because when you spend a majority of your younger years believing you are a worthless sack of shit, that should of been aborted, it can become addictive when all of a sudden, you realize you were wrong, just because you followed advice from guy in furry hat, on how to open, then had friends who encouraged you to open. Add 18 years or so, of no female contact, no shit it can become addictive, when you realize you are not a freak of nature after all.
/r/seduction04/07/26 07:34 AM
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That is NOT stalking. Sure it may be a bit needy but it is not stalking.
/r/seduction04/07/26 05:13 AM
1

Me and a mate bought pink cowboy hats once on a night out, it was a cheat code.
/r/seduction03/07/26 10:23 PM
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I don't ask questions all the time, I make definate suggestions and do not make it seem like I am unsure. However... I also am fine if I am rejected. So instead, "Do you wanna meetup", then when she says yes, instead of asking what she wants to do, I just make it clear I already have a plan. Things like in a bar, I won't "ask" if she wants to get a drink then goto a quieter area. I will just say "lets grab a drink and go sit over there". Its not a question, I am not unsure of myself.
/r/seduction03/07/26 03:00 PM
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You actually made the approach, that is a win itself. Give yourself permission to set baby steps as goals. You do not go from zero to hero, in one approach. So give yourself credit for taking action, and at the same time, reflect on what you could do differently or better next time. Cograts for doing more than the average man does in his entire life.
/r/seduction03/07/26 11:21 AM
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I think there is a reason the Old Skool PUAs created so many "voice technique" exercises to practice this stuff. Not who you were responding to.
/r/seduction03/07/26 09:37 AM
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I noticed if I speak from my Chest, even if just for an initial "hello", it makes a hell of a difference.
/r/seduction03/07/26 09:35 AM
2

People are just using it as an excuse to not approach.
/r/seduction03/07/26 08:33 AM
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There is a difference between chasing someone and just socializing/breaking the ice.
/r/seduction03/07/26 08:32 AM
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UK here for reference. Happens once in a blue moon, defo not enough to rely on. More likely than not I will have someone in my proximity, or someone who I catch staring at me every so often. I regularly have older women high five me on a friday or saturday night, if I go out and do "night game". I am defo not "very attractive" and am probably a bit older than the average guy on here, hair is all shaved off as started balding. Financially, lets not go there... but next year my debts are paid off …
/r/seduction03/07/26 08:29 AM
1

What happens when you walk up and talk to them at social events?
/r/seduction02/07/26 10:41 PM
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For me the books just gave me a set of “social challenges” that made me more confident in myself and different ways to talk to women as I used to be that “boring interview” guy. If I look back at them now, yeah I cringe. But at the time they helped. One thing though… I never really questioned it or argued with it, as in my head I had no alternative. However before encountering these books I had already worked out some “social dynamics” myself specific to my own experiences. Using dating apps for…
/r/seduction02/07/26 07:48 PM
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Back in the olden days, you could not even post an issue asking for help, unless it was repeatable pattern. Get out of your house and try something first. That will be my only advice until you do. Unless its inner game stuff and you are a hard case, then this should be enough. Hell if you are totally stumped or freezing up, that is the one time I WOULD recommend and old skool routine. Even fumbling and getting rejected, is better than doing nothing and expecting others to have the answer.
/r/seduction02/07/26 03:02 PM
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Its better to just view them as a "person", rather than put them on a pedestal and treat them like royalty. Thats what the advice means.
/r/seduction01/07/26 05:56 PM
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Yeah bro, rejection is part and parcel of the game, everyone knows this.
/r/seduction01/07/26 05:55 PM
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Depending on what your social skills currently are, then initially, maybe nope. However, when it comes to intent, escalation, flirting, etc, then its a bit more specialized than just "social skills". Then no, generic social skills will not cover this. Because there are some people on here, who do not understand that rejection is part and parcel of the game, I will also state, that Game, is more of learning a dance, as opposed to just being blunt and saying "Hey, bend over I wanna fuck you". It i…
/r/seduction01/07/26 05:54 PM
2

Please move on.... For both your sake and hers.
/r/seduction30/06/26 06:32 PM
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No, just carry on, as far as you are concerned those guys are not there and do not exist, you are just in a bubble with the girl, the end.
/r/seduction30/06/26 12:55 PM
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UK here, hard to say how "approachable" women are. Some are and some are not. Have I been rejected, sure. Have I started making small talk with women in shops then ended up going for a coffee with them and seeing them later, yeah sure. Compared to Amsterdam, I would say UK is hard mode. Then London, women are a lot less receptive than say Liverpool or Manchester. Never been to the USA, so cannot comment on comparison.
/r/seduction30/06/26 07:25 AM
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What does it matter? If you are only in this for your ego, I would say you are doing it for the wrong reasons.
/r/seduction30/06/26 06:46 AM
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GO out an approach loads of people first, talk to everyone and anyone. Goto bars and clubs, try to escalate. Forget about the outcome. Then once you have a couple of months reference experiences, THEN and ONLY THEN, look into theory. And even then do not get bogged down with it, it should help you figure out the "missing pieces" per say.
/r/seduction30/06/26 06:44 AM
1

To be honest, you can probably provide evidence and rat on your dealer. Even if you get a few scars, at least they will have something exciting to talk about other than stats, figures and facts.
/r/seduction30/06/26 06:29 AM
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In agreement with everything up to the final sentence. But I would be lying if I said at 19 - 21, I never took a class A or class B.
/r/seduction30/06/26 06:28 AM
1

What do you mean by "serious talk"? Just ask them about them and listen.
/r/seduction29/06/26 07:56 PM
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Thanks for replying and will take on board what you said. Tbh, this place looks less "Blackpill and lookism" than it did a year or so ago.
/r/seduction29/06/26 06:43 PM
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No a beginner cannot just become non needy. Luckily they have the rest of their lives to work on it. You have a choice, carry on being needy and maybe become more needy or slowly work on becoming less needy, and overtime reach less neediness. There is no magic switch, no magic bullet, no magic routine. Either fake it, and get shit tested whilst pretending to be who you are not, or work on it and overtime become a better person. The ball is in your court.
/r/seduction29/06/26 05:46 PM
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"Just be good lucking/have money or you are fucked" griefing bullshit. I read some post the other day, all I could take from it was "Just become a billionaire bro, and buy a yacht", then what, do I drag this yacht around with me when I go into a bar?
/r/seduction29/06/26 04:58 PM
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I generally go for 30+ year olds, just by the venues and events I go to. I am gonna forget moral judgements, ,moral flexing, and virtue signaling here, there is no need for it, for me its just I cannot relate to the Zoomer generation at all. I have nothing in common. But I wouldn't say it is impossible, as long as, you are in relatively decent shape for age. If you have spent your life eating loads of fast food, getting fat, being a couch potato and have no idea how to dress decently (everyone k…
/r/seduction29/06/26 03:59 PM
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Fully agreed. I would say at the point you can talk to women easily, its time to build a lifestyle so you put yourself where there are women.
/r/seduction29/06/26 03:31 PM
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Good posts are removed, this sub serves those who just post "there was a girl who smiled at me, what do I do". Despite the riles saying "No Posts about specific situations". Also, despite this once being an amazing sub, the mods are now anti pickup. But if you made a post saying "Men are brutes who should be genocided" it would stay up. Basically, the mods are a bunch of incel cunts,
/r/seduction28/06/26 08:50 PM
2

Once I had spent a chunk of time doing cold approach, stuff started happening naturally. But cold approach changes you as a person.
/r/seduction28/06/26 04:44 AM
1

True, "What you resist persists, what you accept changes"
/r/seduction27/06/26 03:19 AM
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An app is just another means of reaching out and connecting. A good hack for getting out and socializing, is by going out and socializing (shocking right?), or if you go on a date, are suddenly going to drink a magic drink and become sociable at the press of abutton. As for being chunky, sort your diet out and/or goto the gym. And believe it or not, these 3 things can all synergize together. One other thing, IF you get no matches on Tinder, that is gonna work wonders for destroying whatever self…
/r/seduction26/06/26 08:31 PM
1

Why should your FWB not have a job and work in Bangalore?
/r/seduction26/06/26 01:43 PM
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I have experienced similar.
/r/seduction26/06/26 11:30 AM
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Sounds like when you are feeling good, you start to tbelive you are attractive (as you should), but instead of getting on with life, you start seeking for "evidence", which reeks of desperation, makes you appear needy, and is in fact unattractive behaviour. When you are "low self esteem", do you care what women think, or do you just give off IDGAF energy?
/r/seduction26/06/26 08:10 AM
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The correct question is "How do I become non needy". Sure, if this is just an act you put on in front of women, then yeah you are asking the correct question. But sooner or later you will get fatigue from maintaining an act and you will not be congruent.
/r/seduction26/06/26 08:02 AM
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So what... you are never goingto talk to a girl yuntil you retire? Do you have no feee time outside work, no friends, goto no social events whatsoever? You just work, work, work, work? I put focus on my career, but it is not a 34/7 thing. I also put focus on gym. I also make a point of having a social life. Granted I cut back the hours watching Netflix, but boo fucking hoo.
/r/seduction25/06/26 10:23 PM
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It is a bit outdated, but Youtube still has all the "Keys To The VIP" episodes.
/r/seduction25/06/26 12:07 PM
1

And if someone is stuck in their head or is a boring fucker, how do they get to the point where they enter the state where they can flirt. All you have done is given a logical guide to something that is not logical?
/r/seduction25/06/26 10:54 AM
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I see no reasons why not to. Ultimately "Pick Up Artist" is just a socially constructed label. Where it can be toxic (in my opinion) is if you choose to tie it to your identity and identify as one. Again, just my opinion (also in my opinion there is no objective truth to anything, its just what works for you), these sorts of forums are just guys trading notes. One thing I do like about the "PUA Mindset" though is "testing things in the field". Instead of building a mental model in your head and …
/r/seduction25/06/26 06:56 AM
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She was looking for a hookup, you declined and tried to turn it into a relationship dynamic which she did not want. You then seemed to want to "explain yourself", which will build neither attraction nor lust. It is beggy chasey behaviour. She correctly realised, that to get you to back off she ould just say "I am in a relationship", it worked. She can now breathe and feel safe. In a nutshell Move the fuck on. Take what is offered. If you are after a relationship, find someone after the same thin…
/r/seduction25/06/26 05:30 AM
2

Well last year I was talking to someone outside a fast food joint. I noticed she had pumpkins painted on her fingernails, I asked about them, she had been to a Halloween party, I made my normal guess, "although you look reserved, I bet once you let your hair down, you can really let yourself go", anyway, I was making it all about her, not about me, I kept talking about her, then she started asking about me. Once they ask about me, and ask my name, I take that as an IOI, thats when I will ask abo…
/r/seduction24/06/26 08:49 PM
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Make an observation about her, after you open, make it about her, then at a high point: "I have really enjoyed this conversation, is there a way we can continue it?" The ball is in her court. The reason I say at a high point, if you leave a movie at its high point, you want to know what happens next. If you leave it at a low point, you may not care.
/r/seduction24/06/26 08:24 PM
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Either do improv classes (this will take time), find improv exercises and do them OUT LOUD at home on your own. Use a canned opener, just so you get used to opening and preactice it AT HOME out loud so you are used to it. A lot of guys digest wayyyy tooo much theory, then go out and somehow expect to pull it all off, are stuck in their heads and comes across as creepy. Also lower your goals, give yourself permission to just open and walk away (after thanking them for their time and wishing them …
/r/seduction24/06/26 08:05 PM
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Get promoted, you don't need game. Get sent to a phase 2 recruitment training camp once you have rank. When I did my Class 1 training course (1 year trade training) I had my full screw stripes. The recruits were all over me like a rash when I was on bar duty. Rank beats game. But I would not advise it. Also its normally against rules for Phase 1 and Phase 2 recruits (trade training after Basic) to have relationships. However... if you do nothing on camp that breaks rules, there is nothing they c…
/r/seduction24/06/26 10:03 AM
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