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Field ReportNewtabs9/r/seduction29/11/25 11:25 AM
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Field ReportNewtabs9/r/seduction22/11/25 12:12 PM
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Field ReportNewtabs9/r/seduction31/01/26 11:55 AM
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Acne, you’re fat, your weak, smelly, dirty, croojed teeth long nails. They say even that doesn't matter (or that it's a limiting belief) if you apply the mysterymethod or use Todd V's lines
/r/seduction21/07/26 09:28 PM
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/r/seduction18/06/26 10:50 PM
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funny enough, a lot of the guys I know how do well (and even many PUA's such as Tyler etc) seem to have a rapid, Russell Brand style of speech. I hate listening to slow speakers, personally. And lots of young girls in bars are so adhd that i'm not sure speaking slow is advised anymore
/r/seduction14/06/26 07:22 PM
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I love the 'how do I make this girl want me' threads because the silence from the 'experts' in terms of practical examples etc speaks volumes lol In reality, her actual attraction isn't in your control. But, if she's interested, then we can talk and give flirting examples for you to use
/r/seduction14/06/26 09:10 AM
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yes, although where it gets complicated, is that not all girls who like you will give you approach invitation signals. Some are shy for example. Your job really is to find out whether she is interetsed or not, and take it from there (if it's clear she's not interested from her one word answers, never asking you anything, bad body language etc, move on. If it's the opposite, ramp up the flirting)
/r/seduction13/06/26 09:55 PM
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you can't 'create' attraction And attraction is required for there to be sexual tension
/r/seduction13/06/26 09:53 PM
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you are correct. Be careful of listning to coaches who will tell you what you want to hear as that's how they make their money. Even the best coaches (of which i've game with a good emount in Europe) are only ever really banging the yes girls. As you say, no verbal tricks will make a girl attracted to you
/r/seduction13/06/26 11:57 AM
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it's a numbers game. You can't force interest/attraction in a girl. Game is always played on the 'yes girls' as Mark Manson says
/r/seduction13/06/26 11:55 AM
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it's a numbers game, in that you need to find the girls who are open to being seduced by you. Nobody has some jedi mind control level of game where they can make any girl of their choosing attracted to them. Not even with the best game imaginable. There's a very real ceiling to this stuff. I've gamed with many other top level coaches across Europe. Even guys with elite level game can get rejected a hell of a lot.
/r/seduction10/06/26 03:41 PM
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he needs to hit the gym and get off the internet in general lol. Not just this sub. I got so many really good looking friends who absolutely kill it and never even heard of pushpull or dhv stories lol
/r/seduction16/05/26 09:11 AM
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it's not about a method. Get hot, basically lol
/r/seduction16/05/26 09:10 AM
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Flirting (basically) Pretty much every concept you read about game tech (pushpull, teasing, negs, breaking rapport, framing her as trouble etc etc) all fall under the umbrella of 'flirting' However, flirting (and thus, game) don't actually MAKE a girl attracted. But if you are good at game/flirting, then you will sleep with a very high number of the girls who ARE attracted to you
/r/seduction26/04/26 12:38 PM
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Girls shoot their shot too. If she is actually sexually attracted to him, she might be the one to make the move/up the flirting etc if he doesn't.
/r/seduction21/04/26 08:49 PM
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The fuckable line concept is real. Every woman has a baseline attractiveness threshold. Below it, she's not going to entertain you regardless of your game Indeed If you're not her type and there's really no physical attraction there then nothing under the umbrella of 'outer game' is going to move the needle harsh reality.
/r/seduction15/04/26 10:40 PM
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think it's happened a few times. Not even news now. He's fine. He just lives his life banging tonnes of hot teenagers, streaming, making lots of money and getting high. But I doubt he'll live a long life lol
/r/seduction15/04/26 09:03 PM
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not so much the internet (it was great when I was very young) but more social media and the smart phone
/r/seduction15/04/26 09:02 PM
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If youre very short, have a horribke face, you better have absolute confidence, be intelligent, funny, talented, and the thickest skin imaginable that ain't gonna cut it lol. We'd be talking about a 0.02% approach to lay rate or something lol. Best bet for that guy would be trying to get rich and/or famous if he wants to bang lots of girls
/r/seduction12/04/26 10:22 PM
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Your advice is all good, but that's for IF she is attracted to you. You’ve listed a lot of tactics, but you’ve skipped the most important variable: her genuine sexual attraction to you. Just having a 'fun interaction' isn't gonna cut it if you're not her type. We see this all the time in the community A fun exchange doesn’t create attraction. It just doesn’t kill it. If she’s not attracted from the jump, all the side-by-side sitting, leg touching, and 'I’m fucking you' eyes won’t matter. She’ll …
/r/seduction11/04/26 11:09 AM
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for sure. That same advice is given non stop on here and so everyone should be getting them results of course. It's extrmeley easy to be groomed etc
/r/seduction11/04/26 10:55 AM
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whose method do you use out of interest? todd V? mysterymethod? It's very rare to see someone who believes that game transcends all, tbh. I think that may have been a belief back in the old days but once youtube came out and we saw so much evidence of girls not being attracted despite the PUA using negs and DHV stories and teasing etc etc, the whole PUA community seemed to shrink and there was a U-turn on the idea of game being powerful and now 99% of the community say game is about not messing …
/r/seduction11/04/26 10:25 AM
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you'd need to be a very very good looking dude to get laid with hot girls in an environment like the ministry lol
/r/seduction11/04/26 10:10 AM
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maybe he's none of their type. Maybe he's approaching girls way younger and hotter than him etc.
/r/seduction10/04/26 08:07 PM
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More or less. It's true that many coaches massively over-complicate the process in order to keep clients coming back and selling more books. I tell my clients that it's about flirting and volume (without volume you are going to struggle to find the girls who are interested unless you hit the genetic lottery, and if you did, I doubt you'd ever find the community in the first place)
/r/seduction10/04/26 05:31 PM
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he might have perfect game/approach, but he probably just isn't her type.
/r/seduction10/04/26 01:21 PM
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these young adhd girls hate when I speak slowly lol. I try to speed talk like russell brand nowdays
/r/seduction10/04/26 01:17 PM
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that's kind of true. I think you're downplaying game slightly as you still need social skills even for girls who think you are hot. But it's true that your 'game' won't help if she isn't attracted to you at all. I mean, you can't replace raw attraction with pushpull and teasing etc. Doesn't work like that
/r/seduction04/04/26 10:17 AM
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same as some women have all the men drooling over them. Why is this ? very strong attraction. The guys who women use 'super like' for on tinder
/r/seduction23/03/26 08:50 AM
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for what it’s worth, among the top reasons worldwide why men don’t succeed when approaching a woman isn’t because openers “don’t land” it’s because 1) A woman doesn’t find the guy attractive yes, this is a big one and one that coaches etc try to avoid/dismiss. But it's just real life. PUA's assumes her complete disinterest is a 'shit test'. He tries to 'pass it' using whatever method but it doesn't help. Because it was never a shit test to begin with. She's just not attracted to him. And nothing…
/r/seduction22/03/26 07:30 PM
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i must have missed the good ones. Don't pop on here too much. I was remembering a few from a few days back that had lots of approach attempts that had no replies from memory, and then saw one this morning with only one reply that only tells him to drop the game. (I replied to him in private in the end)
/r/seduction20/03/26 02:57 PM
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field reports don't get replies anymore. Or they are just told to 'drop the game stuff - it's clearly not working'. I used to like reading FR's back in the day
/r/seduction20/03/26 02:48 PM
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yes, shooting your shot. That's basically all it's about
/r/seduction20/03/26 01:17 PM
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it's a numbers game. Put yourself out there, shoot your shoot, and escalate with the ones who are into you. Walk away from the ones who aren't.
/r/seduction20/03/26 01:02 PM
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As a coach, I'd say it's fine. She generally has to know you like her.
/r/seduction13/03/26 01:30 PM
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made me lol. Might have to try that!
/r/seduction11/03/26 03:55 PM
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i tell my students to not worry about that. it's not in your control. Game is played on the girls who are receptive (good base level attraction)
/r/seduction01/03/26 10:24 AM
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means either she has one or she is making one up (making one up means she doesn't want to encourage you as she isn't into you in that way and so move on as there's nothing you can do about that. Can't force attraction in someone)
/r/seduction24/02/26 03:06 PM
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RSD jeffy made a video about this recently. Essentially, some girls will 'price you out' (his words) if she isn't physically attracted to you. Just as you would if a fat old woman tried chtting you up. I tell my clients more or less what mark manson tells people. There are yes girls, no girls, and maybe girls. As a coach with game I know that when I get rejected it's not a 'game' issue, but just a lack of attraction that isn't in my control
/r/seduction11/02/26 05:33 PM
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But every woman in the world wouldn’t find Tom Welling attractive true. I think it's just that a huge percentage of women would. I doubt there's a man who every woman would be attracted too. But as you say there are traits that are universally desirable which kinda make looks at least partly objective rather than fully subjective?
/r/seduction10/02/26 10:20 PM
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I'm guessing he's talking about someone like Tom Welling. I only use that example because when I was younger and he was in smallville, every girl at school would talk about how handsome he was, and SO did their mothers lol. I think it's subjective too an extent, but there's certain traits that will appeal too a huge pertencage of girls
/r/seduction10/02/26 09:58 PM
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If it really worked on “90% of girls,” then infield from experienced coaches like Todd Valentine, Julien Blanc, Krauser etc etc wouldn’t routinely show 1–2 numbers from 20 approaches and most interactions going nowhere. (lack of attraction) That’s just what the numbers show even at a high level. Which suggests this isn’t like Aspirin that works on almost everyone. It’s more like a filter: it works well when the girl is already somewhat receptive, and does very little when she isn’t. Experience a…
/r/seduction30/01/26 08:51 AM
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Is this about my field report? I deleted it as I don't think seddit is ready for reading about rejection yet haha. I think many are still under the illusion that you can jedi mind trick your way into any girls pants and she has no free will and you can always get attraction even if she is 100% not at all physically attracted to you. I will still post some Field Reports when I get time, but i'll likely just include the good sets lol. (approaches on very receptive girls) But to answer your questio…
/r/seduction30/01/26 12:26 AM
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haha. "zero attraction" is just when i'm not her type. Not a game issue. Apprecaiate the input but i'm not here for tips lol. More to help people. I do this for a living so definitely don't need help. I've gamed with some fairly big names in the coaching commuinity and they also have many many sets where the girls aren't interested/excuse themselves. I'm afraid game isn't black magic mind control as you will find out as you start to approach. There seems to be many newbies here who don't quite k…
/r/seduction29/01/26 10:42 PM
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i see you are new to this. Don't worry about the why's too much for now. Try to learn about attraction material to let you know what 'pushpull' is. Get out there and get some experience under your belt in the field and post some FR's if you get around too it. Good luck
/r/seduction29/01/26 09:42 PM
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London
/r/seduction26/01/26 08:08 AM
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Game isn't black magic. I'm certain that better game wouldn't have changed a thing. There is no level of game (short of a mind-control super power like in the movies) that would have got me the girls who weren't attracted to me. When I get rejected by a girl having been a coach for many years and know what i'm doing, I know it was never a 'game' issue. Typically it's just an attraction issue. I'm not her type. I'ts out of my hands (ps - be careful of peoples claims online lol)
/r/seduction25/01/26 08:44 PM
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Most girls certainly know how to reject men. Some of them only too well!! :) Often they will reject you in a few seconds. Just the nature of the beast/cold approach But yes, sometimes you will open a girl who is 'sociable but not attracted to you' which can lead to longer interactions that will never go anywhere. And others are less social but not 'harsh', and with them girls, you are usually just talking too a wall Even though a 'go away, you're ugly' rejection isn't nice, over time you kind of…
/r/seduction25/01/26 08:42 PM
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As a coach, it's true that numbers don't mean much. Some girls will even give you their number to get you to leave them alone! if you read my FR's, I very rarely even go for a number unless I feel like she very much wants it. (although I'm mostly a nighgame guy going for same night lays)
/r/seduction27/12/25 09:20 AM
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you'd probably get as much value from a course as you would from online coaching, really. And most of the courses can be found for free if you look hard enough. Of course all people with online courses will massively overstate these techniques as if they are magic but as you see even in my own Field reports, they're not. But that doesn't matter. Maybe something like 'the natrual' by RSD max would be a worth watching if you're super new too it all. But in reality, what will really get you results…
/r/seduction07/12/25 06:04 PM
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the gap between a beginner (assuming you can beat approach anxiety and have naturally semi decent social skills) and a coach, isn't as big as you'd think! I've met many coaches. Some well known ones. Lots of my friends who have never heard of game are just as successful/good. But in order to make the massive money (like rsd, coach kyle, todd etc) it's more about literally putting ALL of your time into it. Non stop promotion and marketing etc. Not really about skill. But the 'big names' are makin…
/r/seduction07/12/25 11:39 AM
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I used to go to meets in London where other dating coaches and students would meet. There's quite a big scene in London. You meet other coaches and students and stuff there and also make 'groups' online where other people join through word of mouth etc.
/r/seduction07/12/25 11:01 AM
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the coaches always act like solid game will just work even with ones girls who play hard to get. The few honest coaches out there (and there are some) will admit that that's fantasy/marketing. (assuming 'hard to get' means genuinely 'not attracted'. Hard to get is different and is possible. But you'd need to recognise the difference)
/r/seduction07/12/25 10:19 AM
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Just a part time gig for me. i have other irons on the fire. Can make a lot of money though! Some charge 3k-5k for a weekend for example. I'd feel way too guilty to do that, even though I don't think any other coach is better than me (although they will certainly claim to be as many have zero morals and will lie about everything and everything to get your hard earned money)
/r/seduction07/12/25 10:17 AM
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make very brief notes on my phone in the bathroom during the night usually lol. Also, even though I typically have a very bad memory, I tend to remember approaches really well. No idea why
/r/seduction06/12/25 11:20 PM
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dating coach here. It happens. Especially during night game. You need thick skin for cold approach (which is why most guys wait for IOI's). You just move on to the next girl and forget about it. (same as if she's barely responding too your quetsions and cold reads etc. If she's not interested in you, can't force it. Move on! Don't waste time) i've written some field reports that might give you inspiration
/r/seduction06/12/25 09:06 PM
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Gracias. Vivo en Inglaterra. Consulta gameglobal para encontrar un grupo cerca de ti
/r/seduction06/12/25 07:35 PM
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Appreciate the concern, bro. Good luck out there!!
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:19 PM
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One thing many years in the game and coaching people taught me is that it's a number game!! I give up at closing time lol
/r/seduction06/12/25 12:02 PM
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They're not often 'alone alone'. Often just branched off from their friends briefly. Getting a drink, arrived at a different time to see her friends so briefly alone. Sometimes literally with friends but standing kind of on the 'edge' of her group looking outward so she 'looks' kind of by herself. Also, there are some girls who are literally by themselves, abeit not for long. London is busy! Also lots of toursits etc who sometimes go out by themselves looking for adventure. That's why most day g…
/r/seduction05/12/25 01:11 PM
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It is what it is!! Life isn't' fair lol.
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:02 AM
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London usually
/r/seduction05/12/25 11:01 AM
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lol
/r/seduction30/11/25 10:54 PM
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sometimes they might be assumed personality like how she seems fun but there's something dangerous about her. Or an 'innocent but cheeky' pushpull. Or a compliment wrapped in a tease "You’re actually pretty charming.” Push: “Dangerous combo… you probably get away with too much." I used to use verbatim lines too from various 'coaches', but some of their ones were so cheesy that they'd tend to always get a look of 'what the hell are you tlaking about' lol But to be honest, I don't tihnk it's neces…
/r/seduction30/11/25 04:48 PM
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Does that mean you expect your results to significantly decline as you age? Of course. Same for everyone. I know some PUA caoches say 'age doesn't matter', but let them upload infields of them when they're 75 and trying to hit on 18-22 year olds and tell me how they get on! lol
/r/seduction29/11/25 09:43 PM
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you're welcome! Not a young 'newbie' here unfortunately though. Learnt about game many years ago. Consider being a coach but still on the fence
/r/seduction29/11/25 03:59 PM
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one could have the best game on earth and get rejected all night long. I think that's the confusion lol. 'Game' isn't jedi mind control lol. I'd put myself up against any coach. I've even been asked to coach many times
/r/seduction29/11/25 02:29 PM
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perfect in that nothing could have turned it. I just wasn't her type. No big deal. Or are you someone who believes you can attracted any and every girl? 100% approach to lay ratio? lol edit: Although for accuracy, I don't think I mentioned the word 'perfect' other than in the set that I pulled home lol
/r/seduction29/11/25 12:27 PM
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I probably had a few 'insta rejections' before them sets. But I've pulled girls with my first apporahc of the night before. I don't think being 'warmed up' is a big deal. I mean, you really do'nt need to run some 'god level' game on a girl (not that there's even such a thing. I believe my game is as good as anyone elses). The way I see it, if you open a girl who is attracted to you, you do'nt even need to have read the books and stuff. Lots of guys pull who have never heard of game and who don't…
/r/seduction29/11/25 11:49 AM
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Didn't I include some of them sets here? (and my other FR's) A cold read is just a general observation about someone's personality, characteristics, or emotions, really. Happens all the time that you approach a girl, run your game and he ignores you or whatever. You just smile and walk away. Maybe be like 'Ok then! Well have a good night!' and apporach the next hot girl you see
/r/seduction29/11/25 11:44 AM
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i've gamed in London with lots of guys using the LDG model and i've also seen lots of coaches in person. It can be a bit cheesy when people get heavy on stacking cold reads and are super rigid with the methodolgy. It's also true that a huge percentage of their success comes from tourists, but that's less about the 'model' and more about the nature of day game, especially in big cities. A bored forigner out with nothing to do who is just 'exploring' and 'looking for adventure' is ideal for a day …
/r/seduction28/11/25 09:29 PM
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UK - London
/r/seduction28/11/25 07:36 PM
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are you a dating coach?
/r/seduction28/11/25 12:25 PM
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ps- there were about maybe 6 other approaches that were all basically 'insta rejections' that I didn't include. Me being totally NOT her type (visually) and so the open was met with a kind of 'i'm not interested' (or plain ignoring) reaction off the open
/r/seduction28/11/25 12:01 PM
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thx yeah, I've always been able to sense that. Even before reading all the PUA books and coaching etc it's always been obvious to me within a split second whether the set had a chance of going somewhere or not. And you're right. It's in the eyes (they're not great at hiding attraction or hiding a LACK of attraction haha)
/r/seduction28/11/25 09:39 AM
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thanks. Honestly, that's what I always used to do back when I ran more 'mystery method' game. More FTC's Over the years of testing and witnessing coaches in person etc, I decided that there's nothing that can literally make a girl attracted. Game and cold approach is more about seeing whose into you. I DO still tend to use attraction material to try to 'turn' the girls who clearly aren't into me, but that is more like a 1 in a million kinda thing. (i've MAYBE done if before once in thousands of …
/r/seduction27/11/25 04:45 PM
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it just takes a lot more beyond looks for me to want to talk to a woman. what makes you want to talk too a women other than how she looks? I mean, at that point you don't know anything about her?? But yes, assuming i'm feeling brave, I approach every girl who I consider is very young and pretty. Girls who fit my idea of beauty (usually blue/green eyes, slim, nice butt/t1ts, pretty facial features etc)
/r/seduction25/11/25 06:25 PM
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I get a lot of DM's about my FR's but not many replies. To answer, yes i'll be posting more soon. I'll likely be out this week. And no, I don't think there's anything I could have done to pull any for the girls who rejected me. Game is only 'so' powerful!
/r/seduction24/11/25 09:13 PM
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I only go for girls who are like 18-24. Light eyes. Slim. pretty face. I'm only like 5ft 8ish. Not great looking, tbh. I get rejected a fair bit, but i've also had some VERY pretty girlfriends who were way way out of my league lol. (my ex was an absollutely stunner and she literally thought I was handsome which is why she made a play for me. But i'd imagine absolutely none of her friends would agree with her with me being really good looking lol)
/r/seduction23/11/25 11:31 AM
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thx. Yeah best not to dwell on rejections. Typically they're just girls who just aren't attracted to you, and there's not a single thing you can do to change that (although we always try pushpull and other game techniques because, well, why not lol).
/r/seduction22/11/25 09:17 PM
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if you can't find 5 really hot girls on a busy friday night out in a city (London in my case) then I don't know what to say. That seems insane to me lol
/r/seduction22/11/25 09:14 PM
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this is mostly a 'cold approach' sub though. Not a 'warm approach' sub (which would be what you are suggesting. i.e wait for a girl checking you out and giving you indicators or interest and stuff before approaching) But I have had sex with quite a few girls who I cold approached (girls who weren't checking me out at all, but who I approached because I thought she was hot) and so I do that, personally. I don't care about rejection. It just means she doesn't think i'm handsome and I can live with…
/r/seduction22/11/25 04:45 PM
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i'll try it. I bought one about a year ago and it didn't do anything, but i'll try that one
/r/seduction20/11/25 08:18 PM
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Easy answer: you can't oh. I thought you were saying that you can lol.
/r/seduction20/11/25 08:17 PM
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find the girls for who height isn't an issue.
/r/seduction20/11/25 08:43 AM
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link to the aftershave? i'll buy and test it. thx
/r/seduction20/11/25 08:42 AM
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how do you 'seduce' a girl who ignores you and maybe flat out tells you she's not interested and that you're not her type when you approach her or whatever? don't doge the question please lol. Sounds like you can do what no known seduction artist on youtube etc can do! I'm all ears
/r/seduction20/11/25 08:40 AM
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she looked at me. I started talking… but the moment I began, her body language told me everything I needed to know. She wasn’t really feeling it. it's good that you have this instinct. Not everone does. Like you, I always know within literal SECONDS after I say 'hi' whether i have a shot or not (whether i'm her type/she's attracted to me). Saves one a lot of time!
/r/seduction14/11/25 08:36 PM
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oh my God. I feel so bad for these people who are getting scammed out of so much money!"!! 8k!! jesus. you can 'learn' all of it in about 20 mins in any ebook. pushpull, self amuse, blabalba.
/r/seduction13/11/25 08:28 AM
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exactly.
/r/seduction26/10/25 01:05 PM
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didn't really need an escalation strategy It's just about finding the right girl (high level of attraction. Cold approach is all about finding the 'yes girls' since it's never gonna go anywhere if you're not her type no matter how many PUA books you've read). From there, all you really need to do is ISOLATE! Move it forward logistically! Once she's alone in your place then it's just on. She knows what she's doing. You don't need to overthink it. Often times when you find the right girls, SHE wil…
/r/seduction25/10/25 11:23 PM
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good job. You ate the 12 rejections from girls who weren't attracted to you, but kept going and found one who WAS!! That is literally what cold approach is. Nobody can magically MAKE a girl want them good job
/r/seduction25/10/25 11:35 AM
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I'm at 100%! I can bang every girl I want. Game, baby! Learn pushpull lines!
/r/seduction25/10/25 11:07 AM
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of course. But that's only gonna lead to sex if she is physically attracted to you. Imagine a old fat 81 year old doing that too a super hot 19 year old in a bar lol. Yeah, she might think he's confident and funny etc, but you're out of your brain if you think he's banging her!
/r/seduction25/10/25 10:55 AM
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game without her thinking you are hot is useless though. You can use pushpull all night, but if you are danny devito (without fame) using it on a really hot 19 year old, he is 100% going home alone lol
/r/seduction25/10/25 10:49 AM
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it's the only system there is!
/r/seduction23/10/25 06:03 PM
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nah, it works fine. I've experimented with all the cheesy PUA stuff you're probbaly thinking of (cold reads blablaa). It's NOT superior. Don't ask questions until they start asking you questions. She wo'nt even ask you questions if you're not her type. Just normal chat is fine as long as she is attracted to you. I've banged girls from just asking small talk questions initially
/r/seduction22/10/25 01:18 PM
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best advice would be to evesdrop on what your friend was saying and/or out right ask him. But in general, I guess people just ask their name, age, what they do (work/college), what their plans are for the night, who they are with etc. Usually IF you are her type/she thinks you're hot, the convo just randomly shoots off into a good direction.
/r/seduction18/10/25 03:50 PM
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this!
/r/seduction16/10/25 06:56 PM
1

yep. Our thinking is completely aligned. I'm not a game denier as such, but it's as clear as day that the idea of game is completely miss-sold! It's simply not fit for purpose in terms of what guys want out of 'learning game'! (e.g the ability to 'seduce' whoever they choose) At best, 'game' is there to increase the odds of you not messing up with an attracted girl and in helping you lead an interaction to sex
/r/seduction16/10/25 01:27 PM
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What could I have done differently? Nothing, to be honest. People might give you all sort of 'PUA' answers, but it just isn't gonna change anything. It's a numbers game. Good job for shooting your shot! IN theory you could have used some 'pushpull', and made some 'cold reads' etc, but people try that all the time with the same results. She just wasn't interested and told you that. You can't negotiate attraction On to the next!
/r/seduction15/10/25 08:07 PM
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they never did, tbh. The coaches themselves never showed anything impressive, really, even in their own infield footage I think you'd have to be insane to really think you can literally MAKE girl attracted just because you teased her, or used 'pushpull' on her etc. It's just fantasy. It's somewhat useful in that it CAN do a good job of showing your romantic intererest and leading the interaction the way you want it to go (ASSUMING she's even attracted!) and a few other things, but it's not magic…
/r/seduction15/10/25 07:30 PM
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lol
/r/seduction14/10/25 06:29 PM
1

everyone one of his posts read likes a virgins story lol
/r/seduction13/10/25 05:58 PM
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nobody believes that anymore lol. Too many infields on youtube and stuff with pros getting rejected despite their 'game'.
/r/seduction21/09/25 09:26 AM
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not always the case, tbh! I actually banged a girl last night from my jujitsu class. Met her in a bar with another girl from the class. (other girl called 'H') We got talking about a guy in the class who blatantly fancies 'H'. 'H' was like, 'ahhhh, he's just not my type. It's never gonna happen'! I wanted to dig as i'm always super curious about seduciton and girls true attitudes and I was like 'Why?!! He's in great shape!'. And then I jokingly said 'we can get him to dress like how you like you…
/r/seduction21/09/25 09:02 AM
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cold approach is 'blow me, or blow me out' If they are messing around and it's not clear that the one you want is attracted to you, eject! Don't waste your damn time. I'm 90% certain this exchange wont go anywhere trust your gut. When someone gets laid from cold approach 99% of the time, it's quite obvious that it's potentially 'on' within a minute
/r/seduction15/07/25 06:54 AM
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it's very rarely a matter of doing something 'wrong'. You can do 200 approaches in a row and do everything perfect, but if you are not her type and you are 55 and fat and bald and hitting on 18 year old stunners, your hit rate is gonna be SUPER low
/r/seduction15/07/25 06:08 AM
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good answer. the friend also probably knows what sort of guys she likes (tall with tats for example) and she will know whether you have a shot or not and if it's a no she'll do her thing. If you are her type, either the friend won't get in the way OR the girl won't let her friend block you
/r/seduction14/07/25 09:01 PM
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he banged 'em both!! super stud!!
/r/seduction14/07/25 04:09 PM
1

wrong. No such thing as neutrality in human interaction, especially when talking about attraction. There's always an underlying lean — either toward you or away. There's no perfectly flat baseline. So in reality, you're either: Building on a spark or Trying to flip a ‘no’ into a ‘yes’ (impossible)
/r/seduction13/07/25 05:35 PM
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It's not possible to upload a video to YouTube featuring another person without their explicit consent false. Doesn't apply if Filmed in a public place. Also Consent is not required, unless used for advertising/commercial use. You misunderstood the rules
/r/seduction13/07/25 05:27 PM
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yes. As I say I tend to still always go indirect in bars at night, but I 100% understand all of the 'mode1' guys and the idea of laying your cards out on the open and not wasting time trying to 'game' a girl who just isn't attracted to you. Follow your gut! :)
/r/seduction12/07/25 05:57 PM
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I've always said the opposite (e.g for me, direct in the day and indirect at night makes more sense to me) I think you kind of need to go direct in the day so she knows why the hell you stopped her/approached her. Especially since in some places like lots of Europe, talking to strangers isn't remotely normal like maybe it is in the US And in bars and stuff girls already assume you're trying to get in their pants the second you say 'hi', and plus it's more of a social environment and so yeah, ind…
/r/seduction12/07/25 05:36 PM
1

look on youtube for vids of King68thegreatt that's what is looks like when girls are attracted. see how they always approach him (something coaches on here say never ever happens). Throw themselves at him. That is attraction. Turns out girls ARE 'visual'. Very very very visual!!! lol you could create the best PUA of all time by mixing all of the best qualities from all of your dating coaches (todd, mystery, rsd etc etc) and they would get obliterated by this guy who would steal all of their girl…
/r/seduction12/07/25 12:36 PM
0

I've had women tell me I'm ugly and then minutes later in the same venue, other women will genuinely say how handsome I am exactly this. Thats why even though i'm very blackpilled (and it's imposisble to NOT be unless you are blind if you've actually hung around good looking and not good looking guys lots in bars ect!) I still maintain that not every girl has 'typical', conventional taste in what she thinks makes a guy handsome. I've banged girls who I would say are like a 9, and that same night…
/r/seduction12/07/25 08:54 AM
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improve your looks (gym, lose fat and build a bit of muscle, improve fashion, fix skin, straighten teeth, try to adapt your look for the types of girls you want which might involve getting tats for example etc etc). Also manage your expectations. You aren't gonna be banging perfect looking 18 year old model looking girls from cold approach if you are like 50 and bald and fat and short. It's ridiculous but it's what dating coaches and stuff feed people to keep the $$$ coming in. Your 'game' is la…
/r/seduction11/07/25 10:44 PM
1

this guy must have seen my post lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pUK-EeY4wg&ab_channel=KristianKasanova
/r/seduction11/07/25 09:25 PM
1

agree. Too many people have been conned by dating coaches into thinking they can replace that required attraction and achieve it instead with 'pushpull' and cold reads and other 'game'
/r/seduction11/07/25 08:10 PM
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you're ugly in her opinion, but it doesn't mean every hot girl will have the same opinion, so whatever. Brush it off and onto the next. Cold approach is a pure numbers game (e.g girls will reject you or even be rude like she was too you if you're not her type, and no amount of pushpull will turn that ship around!)
/r/seduction11/07/25 07:41 PM
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I dunno, inn bars and clubs, UK girls can be brutal!! you'll know within a second with lots of girls whether she will give you a shot or not. Impossible to not know lol. And no amount of 'game' will help turn that instant rejection around.
/r/seduction11/07/25 07:39 PM
1

this is how it's done: https://youtu.be/3diAkHQBwJc?si=MqZ34OFFks2PpXs7&t=1412
/r/seduction09/07/25 06:40 PM
2

just learn pushpull!
/r/seduction09/07/25 06:08 PM
0

cold reads. ''you strike me as someone who is probably an auntie' - stuff like that
/r/seduction07/07/25 09:01 AM
1

but wouldn't all game work on the 'vulnerable'? I say that because you sometimes hear stories where someone banged someone who was 'vulnerable' and then you hear 'he flattered her and showered her with compliments which she was very susceptible too due to her vulnerability' in the news or whatever lol. But that sounds like the opposite of negging etc
/r/seduction07/07/25 08:27 AM
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If you're good-looking, I don't know what you're doing on this sub. You don't need 'game'; you can do whatever you want how so? all I read on this sub as that 'girls arne't visual' and don't care about looks! People seem to want to have their cake and eat it lol When someone gets rejected it's 'don't blame your looks! you just need to disqualify her and use more game. Girls aren't even visual!' If someone gets laid easily and a girl hits on him it's 'that's not game. You're just relying on your …
/r/seduction07/07/25 08:23 AM
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improve their looks and fashion and stuff is the best bet. travel too a place where you valued more. Everyone all knows the stuff in pickup books now. It went mainstream quite a while back now. Just that, surprise surprise using pushpull and cold reads and stuff on a girl doens't magically make her wanna bang you like she would if she tohught you were hot lol
/r/seduction07/07/25 08:20 AM
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I agree he's a waste of time. Any success he gets is just a result of being a fairly good looking guy. He more or less admits it himself since he dismisses all 'game' concepts. Sounds like his method is 'get as good looking as possible and then just be 'normal' and forget everything PUA coaches have taught you' which, tbh, I agree with. But at the same time, you certainly don't need to pay him a penny as he's essentially told you everything he can 'teach' you already (which is what i just summar…
/r/seduction06/07/25 04:23 PM
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well, yes. Everything will usually work if you are her type (that's why PUA's approach hundreds of girls until they find the one who lets him 'game' her) and nothing will work if you are NOT her type Cringe can also happen in conversations that have no PUA concepts at all in that situation the 'cringe' usually comes from the fact she's just not talking back and the awkward silences etc. Not really the stuff he's saying to her (which is just normal questions and stuff)
/r/seduction06/07/25 03:57 PM
1

If it doesn't matter what you say, how is what all the PUAs saying wrong? I get what you're saying. I think his argument is that all of that stuff is 'weird' and cringy and is effectively 'anti game' (doing more harm than good). And that you want to just be normal (no cringe and super awkward lines and techniques = good 'game' )
/r/seduction06/07/25 02:36 PM
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he's called 'bayne'. You should be able to find his vids critisizing todd v and others quite easily on youtube I'm pretty sure he's just paying models and stuff to take naked pics with him etc and then telling his clients/telegram private group that he picked them up. Although it's hard to disagree with him in regards to his opinions on PUA's and their techniques (e.g pushpull and qualificaiton etc only 'appears' to work when you are her type)
/r/seduction06/07/25 01:06 PM
1

yes. I think that's how that john anthony guy with the 8000 slay count or whatever he's currently claiming began to make money from this
/r/seduction06/07/25 12:11 PM
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very likely!! but then they ALL are frauds lol They pull 'yes girl's and get rejected by 'no girls' just the same as any other normal dude You don't believe his 'reciepts'? :)
/r/seduction06/07/25 12:11 PM
1

So you have 35-40 year old m Caucasian white collar guys tryint to game up 21 year old Jamaican insta baddies you cant blame them!! I go for whoever I tihnk is hot! And 19 year olds are often very hot! I don't care if they're half my age lol. Worth a shot!! It's a numbers game!! I've managed to snag a few even as an oldie! Just gotta accept that rejection is highley likely. no big deal. Go for waht you desire!
/r/seduction05/07/25 09:49 AM
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i had the same confusion many years ago when I first got into game and when different experts all acted very different from each other in infields, and all the books gave very conflicting advice. Compare and infield of mystery vs an infield of RSDJeffy for example!! 100% opposite in terms of behaviour and verbals and technique!! Yet both dating coaches/experts I think it's because there are no rules. No way to act. No 'correct' things to say and techniques etc What matters is if she is attracted…
/r/seduction01/07/25 07:39 AM
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No we have hundreds of infields to show this basically never happens. People here will give you a load of PUA nonsense about how girls aren't visual etc, but just look at the result of the pros on yuotube etc. You'd need to believe that the random ppl here can do things that no pro PUA has ever been shown to do lol edit: to be clear it's not about 'type' but physical attraciton. A Girl might like brown eyes on a guy, but she's almost certainly be attracted to a young Leo DiCaprio and he has blue…
/r/seduction30/06/25 08:06 PM
1

you didn't look as good in person as you did in your pics. simple
/r/seduction29/06/25 06:27 PM
1

the usual stuff like 'what else do you have going for you other than your looks'. But as we learn in a recent field report on here, it doesn't work. Qualification doesn't work. Girls do'nt qualify themselves to some guy who she's isn't even attracted too lol. It's PUA nonsense
/r/seduction26/06/25 11:30 PM
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agree. It's insane to imply that looks only get you a few seconds of fame. They often do ALL of the work for you. (and if you're not her type at all, then all of your game won't cut any ice)
/r/seduction26/06/25 11:27 PM
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not just 'meh' personality. There's a guy on a forum which I won't name who has a tonne of proof of his slaying stunners due to being a very very good looking dude, and not only does he NOT have 'game', he's literally autistic lol. But it doesn't matter. We are all visual creatures
/r/seduction26/06/25 08:40 PM
1

Are you leaving because you can sense that she isn't attracted/you aren't her type? So you eject before it gets too awkward? If so, you're doing it right. You don't wanna be teh annoying guy who can't take a hint. You'll know when she's into you, and you won't eject in them situations. Plus, it will all 'flow' so easy because she will be contributing to the convo and flirting at least as much as you
/r/seduction26/06/25 07:24 PM
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you can bang the 6's and 7's easy even if you have zero 'game', because you are better looking than them (assuming you're an 8-9) The hotter girls can get guys even better looking than you so it's gonna happen much less frequently with them girls
/r/seduction26/06/25 05:58 PM
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no PUA is banging 1 in 5 girls he approaches unless he is a giga chad or he's banging ugly girls. Watch uncut infield footage for what the ACTUAL numbers are! they are a LOT worse than that lol. (nobody remembers the 'simple pickup' uncut vids?) In fact, daygame legend Paul Janka said his approach to lay ratio is 2.2% I believe. And he was a tall, handsome dude who taught game and knew as much or more than anyone here
/r/seduction26/06/25 02:24 PM
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be very good looking. Same as tinder. Same as cold approach. etc etc. Attraction comes first!
/r/seduction21/06/25 03:15 PM
1

link to your infield?
/r/seduction21/06/25 12:57 PM
1

link to your infieids? ps - you must be handsome as hell!! lol. Good job
/r/seduction21/06/25 09:04 AM
1

exactly!
/r/seduction18/06/25 07:26 AM
1

So the crap written in the game by Strauss would not ever work in either countries. what do you disagree with? it sounds like we agree lol
/r/seduction18/06/25 07:10 AM
1

I use a similar one sometimes when I tell a girl 'you look too clean for this bar' lol. Usually at least gets a laugh and maybe helps open up a convo, but of course no line (or even PUA theory) can MAKE a girl attracted to you. It's basically all marketing $$$ Going back to the corny stuff and the difference between the US and seemingly most other countries, I was on a pickup forum a while ago where the guys talk in a way that make my 'corny cold read example' above look smooth!! I have no idea …
/r/seduction17/06/25 06:28 PM
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lol, I was thinking the exact same thing! This is why most 'game' you ever read (always written by Americans) is literally ANTI game in places like the UK lol We have a very different cringe/corny threshold which American gurls persumably don't seem to have. Even when I read suggested 'cold reads' by experts that are like “Alright, I’m getting a serious feeling from you… you know when you first meet someone and they seem all cute and delicate on the surface… but deep down, there’s a wild tiger j…
/r/seduction17/06/25 06:15 PM
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there are unlimited huge contradiction in 'game' because it's not really a thing. I mean, it is, but it's literally just the icing on the cake. It's mostly irrelevant (unless someone is super super weird for example). EVERYTHING works and NOTHING works. This is why every guru disagrees with the next one etc, and both can still get results. All that matters is, is she attracted to you! You'll know within about 3 seconds of saying 'hi', usually. Get as good looking as possible adn then hit on as m…
/r/seduction17/06/25 04:12 PM
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it's more that game is the icing on the cake. You can have game but if she's not attracted to you, it ain't gonna happen with that girl
/r/seduction12/06/25 03:15 PM
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pretty much. Her attraction for you is known before you've finished your opening line. It needs to be quite high. If it's not then you can apply everything in PUA books (pushpull, teasing, self amusement etc etc) but you will almost certainly be only delaying the rejection. As I say, this isn't really even a debate to me because the only proof others can offer is anecdotal. People claiming they can all do what the world apparent best (famous pickup artists who DO have infield footage) clearly ca…
/r/seduction11/06/25 05:29 PM
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Not that I personally think it's that relevant, but have you read any pickup books? seen any 'programs'? if so, which ones? Tbh, i'd put all of my effort into getting as good looking as possible. No pickup artists seem to be able to convert a girl from red to green. Infields prove this. Even Field reports written here prove this (it's typically rejection, rejection, rejection, despite using all the PUA tricks, and then they open a girl who is clearly into them, and they get laid) And so it makes…
/r/seduction10/06/25 08:45 PM
1

they went into 'self help' and stuff once it started to get too hard to make money from Pickup for various reasons (people deciding it wasn't legit, and big platforms de-monitising anything to do with pickup etc. Partly to do with 'mee too' and it also seemed to all start when teh BBC done an 'expose' on pickup culture. When that program aired, most of the British PUA's were instantly deleted on youtube and it slowly crossed the pond to the US. Soon after RSD went into 'self help' so instead of …
/r/seduction08/06/25 08:29 AM
1

agree!
/r/seduction07/06/25 06:19 PM
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I used to care about lay counts when I was really young, and now that it's nearly triple figures i'd happily 'give away' half to someone who wanted to boost his ego lol.
/r/seduction07/06/25 03:26 PM
1

''Just talk to her like you’d talk to anyone else you find interesting'' but then when they get rejected, they are told 'Dude , you need to LEARN GAME!! And actually apply the lines and principles!! where was the pushpull? the cold reads? where was the qualification? why no disualification?? have you even read Mystyerymethod? ever watched Todd V?' so in their defense, they kind of can't win lol
/r/seduction07/06/25 03:22 PM
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the people you are speaking too have been taught in books that girls are essentially blind lol. they 'don't care about looks'. 'you just need to know how to flirt, e.g 'have game'. You could probably confirm that a guy flirting with you who you are not attracted to you is just unwanted attention and isn't gonna change your mind lol. Even if he is really 'good at flirting'
/r/seduction07/06/25 03:19 PM
4

'How hard is it to deadlift 450kg? How long until you can easily lift it?!' For some people, they will never be able to lift that much, even if they go to the gym everyday and inject etc. Some guys naturally have hands like bricks and thick bones and they can maybe lift that in a few years Getting hot girls isn't really about learning some secret magic trick or system or whatever. Everyone already knows what's in PUA books, yet it's really only good looking guys, celebs, athletes etc who are eas…
/r/seduction07/06/25 03:07 PM
1

night game infield footage?
/r/seduction06/06/25 08:32 PM
2

yes, it's true. She'll help carry the convo, make flirting easy, and just be totally open to escalation etc And if she DOESN'T like you, then yeah. You'll know very very fast, and you just need to move onto the next girl as you'll be wasting your time with her. Even if you've read the mysterymethod and gambler and ross jefferies
/r/seduction06/06/25 08:24 PM
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evne doing 10x the work will still very likely be a waste of time. That's the bigger issue. If you're really not her type and she's not attracted to you, you could do 150x the work!! she still ain't going home with you and will go home with 'donut holes' guy giggling at how funny he is One needs to pick their battles
/r/seduction06/06/25 06:12 PM
4

what was the message he wrote on his behalf? Just use that yourself lol
/r/seduction06/06/25 05:19 PM
2

get even more physically attractive!! (or, for a more serious answer, get famous!) 'game' (which everyone already knows nowdays. So mainstream. Literally on tiktok now!) ain't gonna cut it lol
/r/seduction06/06/25 05:14 PM
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flirt in a way that makes her actually like me that's not how it actually works. It's more that flirting 'works' IF she likes you!!
/r/seduction06/06/25 05:02 PM
4

But coaches say that girls do'nt care about looks?! 'girls aren't visual like us men are' hahaa
/r/seduction05/06/25 09:41 PM
3

Nope. She doesn't care about your 'frame' if you aren't her type.
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:09 AM
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yep. It's just a bit of 'PUA' marketing 'FRAME' nonsense post, tbh. She doesn't care about your 'frame' if you aren't her type
/r/seduction03/06/25 05:09 AM
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if her preference is a tall guy with a nice body who is around her age (18) and you are short and bald and fat and 55, then yeah, you could have all the 'game' in the world and you'd have more chance of winning the lottery lol you can pushpull and neg and tease, tell DHV stories, self amuse, good body language etc etc etc. Nada Anyone disagreeing with that is a 'coach' trying to sell you a book or a course (or just someone desperate for the marketing to be true and deluding themselves) I mean, c…
/r/seduction30/05/25 09:17 PM
1

I predict he'll just try to get you onto some paid coaching with some moron and won't answer your questions. Keep seeing posters like him who never elaborate which sets off my spidey sense big time!! it's just marketing. $$$ 'I helped a guy who is 4ft tall and now he dates a new model a day! - contact me!!' kinda thing
/r/seduction25/05/25 09:23 AM
1

you really can't control whether a woman is attracted to your or not exactly. Hence it IS a numbers game. We see the 'best' get rejected all teh time in infields, despite all of their techniques and advanced game where it fails to MAKE her attracted. She really chooses within a second or so. That's why you can tell how an infield will end (lay or no lay) within seconds of his opener
/r/seduction25/05/25 09:21 AM
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older women are usually way more into muscles. Even if you are ugly, if you hop on T and get absolutely huge, you'll probably have a market for you with some milfs. Money helps, too. young ones are all about pretty faces. They don't care about your body as long as you're not super fat or whatever.
/r/seduction24/05/25 10:16 PM
0

not even sure what that's supposed to mean lol, But yeah, my flirting is very good. As good as anyone elses. If a girl is attracted to me, we end up in bed.
/r/seduction15/05/25 07:37 PM
0

my flirting is top notch! lol that's why I can bang just about every girl who wants me! :) (same as any other top PUA)
/r/seduction15/05/25 07:33 PM
0

your flirting skills are shit tbh, flirting without her attraction is mostly unwanted. Girls want a guy WHO THEY THINK IS HOT to 'flirt' with them. Not guys who they're not attracted too
/r/seduction15/05/25 06:31 PM
1

the days of 'say this, do that line, use this technique, and you'll get the girl' have long gone. Nobody really buys that stuff anymore. None of it works So, get as 'attractive' as you can (mostly gym and fashion are things you can control). Try to get a few hobbies and get good as some stuff to help build overall confidence. And then just hit on girls. Say hi, chat and make it clear you're attracted to them and see if she feels the same way
/r/seduction11/05/25 09:29 AM
1

some very blue pilled replies lol. Why do we still try to kid ourselves that looks are super important when it comes to cold approach?!! lol But I seriously doubt you are a 2/10. That would be kinda rare. But getting in good shape will typically raise you a few points if you are chubby now. Most guys can hit 5-6/10 and that very likely includes you
/r/seduction03/05/25 11:52 AM
1

Yeah, she won't 'qualify herself' or try to impress you if she's not attracted to you.
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:28 AM
1

I wouldn’t say there’s a secret method. Either they’re attracted to you or not EXACTLY!
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:23 AM
1

werthers originals
/r/seduction01/05/25 04:53 AM
1

state some intent and you'll get your answer
/r/seduction30/04/25 09:20 PM
1

comes from positive experiences
/r/seduction30/04/25 09:11 PM
2

more dates!
/r/seduction30/04/25 09:10 PM
1

looks. UNLESS, we are talking about status as in FAME! NFL player, famous rockstar, movie star etc. You can't touch them guys. But since none of us are gonna be a famous rapper, then I wouldn't worry about it (for example, the 'status' of being a lawyer for example really isn't gonna help you much when you approach that 18 year old stunner at the bar. She'd bang you if she thought you were super hot even if you were unemployed)
/r/seduction30/04/25 07:10 PM
1

this
/r/seduction30/04/25 06:57 PM
0

s fairly useless though. you can see this from guys on artificial test, some of them are sporting supraphysiological levels i'm assuming he got downvoted for saying he can bed any girl he wants!! hahaha (although i gave it an upvote because it made me laugh)
/r/seduction30/04/25 06:29 PM
2

yeah, probably something like that guess i'd need a beard transplant to get more sex appeal
/r/seduction30/04/25 01:09 PM
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i found out recently with blood tests that my testosterone (both free and total) are very high. But the interesting thing is that the reason I got it tested is because i've been pretty certain throughout my life that I have the T levels of a geriatric lady lol. (things like no ability to grow facial hair and other things).
/r/seduction30/04/25 12:54 PM
1

I think you know the answer deep within yourself. It's not quite as common now, but when pickup was more 'full on', everything was a 'limiting belief' lol. It was super cringe! It was literally like 'I can't make that dunk because i'm literally 3ft tall'. ''LIMITING BELIEF!!!!'. Most people who say this limiting belief stuff are saying it because it benefits their business.
/r/seduction29/04/25 08:45 PM
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what do you think your do (with your tongue, fingers and cock) that others guys can't/aren't? When I used to look at the sex sub on reddit a few things I learnt was that every guy thought they were amazing in bed. Nobody seemed to be able to really add anything past very obvious stuff though ('girls like having their clits licked'). And the consensus amongst others was basicaly being 'good' = having a big unit and being able to last a long time interestingly, girls would tend to reply with very …
/r/seduction29/04/25 08:25 PM
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cold approaching is 'going in cold' - you don't wait for an IOI or a sign that she thinks you are hot and wants you to approach her. You just see a very hot random girl some place, and you go in and talk to her which will let you know if she's interested in you or not Warm approaching etc is waiting for an IOI from the girl. You're success rate is a million times higher, BUT lots of guys either literally never ever get IOI's from hot girls, or some that do are so oblivious that they miss them
/r/seduction11/04/25 02:13 PM
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pickup artists. Maybe that term isn't really used any more
/r/seduction10/04/25 09:02 PM
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getting into 'game' and PUA got me laid a lot. Way more than i'd have thought. BUT if I was talking to noobies or whatever, i'd tell them not to believe all of the hype. The power of 'Game' is very limited. Best game in the world if you're not at all her type and she's not attracted to you won't help. Despite what people selling your stuff say. I got laid a lot, but that's because I put in some serious volume! When I was deep into this, I was approaching like 40 girls per night. I was getting la…
/r/seduction10/04/25 06:28 PM
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about 22. 14 years ago or so
/r/seduction10/04/25 06:52 AM
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If you went on a DATE with a girl and it all went wrong, then yes, you've probably gotta look at your 'game' and analyse little If you COLD APPROACH some stunner and she jujst ignores you and/or otherwise rejects you, it's most likely you DIDN'T do anything wrong and the same exact approach with some amazing PUA in your ear feeding you lines through an earpiece etc would end in the same result. You're just not her type. Nothing you say/do is gonna change that (whereas the girl who dated you had …
/r/seduction10/04/25 06:51 AM
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lol, yeah that's one of many. He somehow managed to get so many others removed. There's one where he come across like the biggest virgin in the world where he's trying to game these 2 Vegas girls and he's nervously giggling like he can't believe he's talking to 2 hot girls, he's lying his ass off about stuff, he begs them a few times if he can touch their bum etc. It's just so funny that he sells the idea he's a 'ladies man' All he does is have 'parties' where he probably spends all night watchi…
/r/seduction10/04/25 06:49 AM
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who is incredibly receptive from the beginning yep. And this is how all PUA 'pulls' from infields look, basically. PUA's, just like the rest of us, pull the girls who are somewhat 'down' after the opener. Nobody has some jedi mind control attraction magic where they can 'change her mind' kind of thing. It's fantasy. And infields really prove this quite nice if you pay attention
/r/seduction09/04/25 10:23 PM
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He's the same as every other PUA. (wolf). E.G Just a dude playing the numbers game and cherry picking stuff to look like a pickup God His results in your skin and circumstances would be the same as yours. And you'd get the same results as him if you looked identical to him and approached as much as him in them exact environments etc He basically hits on a tonne of girls in 'partry environments' like Vegas. Drunk chicks late at night. Usually not even that hot. As a very tall, slim guy with all o…
/r/seduction09/04/25 10:22 PM
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shit tests really aren't that common at all. Most things people think of as a 'shit test' is just her being honest and telling why she's not interested lol. Or she's ignoring you and not really talking back. ALSO not a 'shit test'. Move on too a girl who might actually be attracted to you. They don't give shit tests if they are very attracted because they don't wanna risk losing you too another girl! I used to watch some PUA vids (Brit guy, can't remember his name) and he had all kinds of 'funny…
/r/seduction09/04/25 08:30 PM
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yo'ure right in that we are separated by the traditional PUA and natural camp, but the bigger issue is that each camp kept quiet when the field report was one of rejetions using 'their' methods lol. Basically all hindsight bias Most of the time the REAL answer is that she just wasn't interested/attracted and there's nothing you could have said or done! But everyone felt the need to sound like Don Juan, so they'd be like 'you need to pushpull!' if he didn't pushpull, or 'NEVER pushpull!' if he Di…
/r/seduction09/04/25 07:12 AM
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back when lots of FR's were posted, it was usually a guy listing his many approaches he made on different women a night out. What was said and what happened with each 'open' Field reports kind of died out, though because all it seems to be was people giving advice that was the opposite of what the OP done, and then the next week he'd post a field report using the 'new' advice, fail, and then new replies would be about how he had to do the opposite (basicalyl what he done for the first time!) lol…
/r/seduction08/04/25 08:12 PM
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that john anthony guy has ZERO game!! have you seen his infields?!!! lol. Hilarious stuff. Been loads of great breakdowns of it on youtube but he gets them removed from by youtube each time unfortunately. Super awkward guy with no game. Besides, he got exposed as being a fraud and using hookers etc by his ex business partner (sonny) who leaked the texts etc. Should have been obvious before that, though! His 'system' is effectively a system for making friends and getting strangers to your place. …
/r/seduction08/04/25 06:42 AM
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try it. Go up too a super hot 18 year old; Ask her 'who lies more, men or women?'. Then disagree with her and neg her a bit. Then tell her a a DHV story that implies that you are a leader of men and/or that you are brave and/or are preselected by lots of pretty young girls etc. (or do magic tricks if you are good at them). In THEORY she should now be all over you and desperate to bang you since you now have her massively attracted (through your attraction material, negsa and DHV's etc). Qualify …
/r/seduction07/04/25 10:40 PM
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The easiest times that I got laid was when the women made it obvious. For instance giving me compliments, touching me etc. that's kind of how it is for everyone. People bang 'yes girls'. The girls who are blatantly attracted to them from the off. Them same girls would give you indicators of interest before you even spoke I bet? That's why lots of people say to wait for IOI's before approaching so as not to waste your time. Lets just say that if she isnt a talker then its going to be awkward. pre…
/r/seduction07/04/25 09:51 PM
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I know what you mean. It's just the way the world changed since maybe the smart phone. Maybe even a bit before? People get kind of hysterical over lots of things nowadays. Made worse with 'woke culture' and stuff. People look at me like a serial killer when I tell them about some of the age gap relationships i've had lol. But it was OK at the time. Lots of young people grew up never truly socialising and live on their phones and consume what they're told and think it's 'invasive' to approach som…
/r/seduction07/04/25 09:46 PM
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exactly. That dude is completley clueless. drank way too much cool aid!
/r/seduction06/04/25 11:39 PM
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lol
/r/seduction06/04/25 11:37 PM
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yes, if you're not her type then the negs and cold reads and all that other stuff does not help. As you say, the 'skill' element is close to being non-existant/irrelevant. Being 'normal' is basically enough (assuming she's attracted)
/r/seduction06/04/25 07:24 PM
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as I said in the other thread, basically all of ones successes is decided BY HER pretty much before you've finished your opener (and in this case you didnt even need to open :)) same for the pros, too, as infields prove good job
/r/seduction02/03/25 12:57 PM
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'attraction material' as sold by PUA's is just nonsense. You don't MAKE her attracted with your pushpulls and negs and self amusement and cold reads etc. Think about it lol. how the hell is taht gonna work?! It's just marketing that PUA's have made men believe. Attraction is the important part, and it's really about your appearance. She essentially decides more or less instantly. You're 'game' isn't gonna help if you're not her type, and it isn't really required (past being normal) if you ARE he…
/r/seduction01/03/25 09:26 AM
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I have literally hundreds of infields on my old laptop back from when I was deeply into pua/game (before I decided it was all basically marketing nonsense lol). Infields from RSD, simple pickup, mystery, austen summers, coach kyle, london day gamers, marcus wolf and just way too many more to mention. (rsd did show some pulls. especially max and jeffy and julien). Max even shot an uncut full night infeld and it gave you an idea of how it REALLY goes. e.g you seem him get rejected again and again …
/r/seduction28/02/25 10:38 PM
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disagree! Even the infields from the pros show what I say
/r/seduction28/02/25 04:42 PM
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100% It's honestly almost never anything to do with what you said/did. (both for rejections and lays)
/r/seduction27/02/25 06:36 PM
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The girl I got my first lay from was super into me the moment I said hello the hard truth of this is that basically ALL of your lays will be like this. YOu know within about 20 seconds. And it's exactly the same for the 'pros' That's why this really is a numbers game and not really a 'skill' game. It's about her attraction towards you and it's known basically before you've even finished your opener
/r/seduction27/02/25 06:35 PM
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Does that sound like a direct verbal approach to you? we're going off track, but when Manson was asked if he goes direct or indirect in his 'ask me' on 'reddit', he replied ''Direct. I either just go off-the-cuff with situational statements, or if I can't think of anything I open direct. Never be ashamed to show interest in a girl. A man going direct is a man who's proclaiming he deserves the world'' it's all irrelveant anyway lol.
/r/seduction25/01/25 12:07 PM
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no, Manson says ''should avoid social games and just be blunt and direct''. He's definitely more of a direct PUA than indirect. 'honest communication' etc. This stuff is all pretty obvious once you've got all the experience. Been doing it for years and years. It basically all works if she is into you, and it all fails if she's not you're probably thinking of mysterymethod. He was INdirect
/r/seduction25/01/25 11:53 AM
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problem with that is if he says 'I opened direct', everyone will say 'dude, that's why!! never open direct!! read mystery method!!'. If he says he opened indirect with a comment on her jacket or something, people will say, 'ahhh, that's why!! dude, never go indirect! she knows why you are talking to her! go direct! read mark manson or mode1!!!' lol Similarly, if he says 'I asked her how her night was going, what her name was, what she does etc etc'', people will say ''Ahhh, interview mode! no wo…
/r/seduction25/01/25 11:44 AM
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A 'pro' gets the same resutls as you! If you've ever seen uncut, continuous infields on nights out (such as simplepickup done and also RSDmax) you'd see that even theguys with 'game' can EASILY get rejected 40 times in a row!!! this stuff isn't magic! dont believe the hype. It's a numbers game. The 'pros' just cherry pick infields but they are actually getting rejected an absolute shit tonne! you can't make a girl want you with 'game'. Just keep going
/r/seduction25/01/25 10:22 AM
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this used to be true (pre smart phone!) they ALL hear it a lot now lol
/r/seduction23/01/25 08:12 PM
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''attraction material'' the idea that you can MAKE her attracted with things like 'cold reads', pushpull, DHV stories, negs etc etc
/r/seduction23/01/25 08:09 PM
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it's kind of true, tbh. I'm not saying it's 100% black and white (e.g she either sucks you off when you say 'hi' or she is sick in her handbag at the thought of kissing you) but she basically knows if she's attracted in a split second and no amount of PUA verbals can change that. We have so much infield proof that this is the case, tbh! How many serious 'no girls' end up in a lay?? I've never seen one! (and i've seen about 5 thousand lol)
/r/seduction23/01/25 08:08 PM
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good post I'm not good looking and i've had some amazing results and a decent lay count, but it's hard work! It takes a tonne of approaching and you have to eat a LOT of rejections. Sometimes ones that really kill your self esteem! lol. It's a hard old game. You're kind of searching for a unicorn (a sociable girl who is hot and also happens to think you are hot, despite most girls not thinking you are.) But they ARE out there! as you say, ALL of this stuff basically takes care of itself when a g…
/r/seduction23/01/25 08:06 PM
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Flirting isn’t effective if the other person isn’t attracted to you this! and everyone seems to forget this very important part! A lot of the time when someone posts that the girl wasn't interested, they say 'learn game. you need to flirt' without realising that flirting with a girl who isn't attracted to you is basically unwanted, and all of that 'game' only delays the rejection
/r/seduction16/01/25 08:21 AM
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I'm sure that gave you a lot of motivation to countinue. it did, although my next lay wasn't until quite a long time after and many many approaches!! (despite implementing all kinds of game and PUA tactics i'd studied lol) But I know what you mean. After that first approach that lead to sex, I was like 'Man, maybe it's really this easy!!'. haha She was fairly pretty and very young, but in hindsight I was lucky that I was her 'type' and that she'd recently got out of a relationship
/r/seduction16/01/25 08:08 AM
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i got laid on my first ever cold approach! this isn't to brag or anything (i get rejected all the time!). But it's more to demonstrate that this isn't really a matter of right and wrong (unless one is maybe so unsocial that they can't look someone in the eye or something). It's more a numbers game. Even for the 'pros' ps - I opened using a 'sorry i'm late' line lol. It was in a bar
/r/seduction15/01/25 06:13 PM
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'hiya. Can't talk for long as my brand new ferrari is being delivered. The last one was damaged when I was saving someone's life life during a gun fight. Anyway, I noticed you from over there and blablablabla'
/r/seduction15/01/25 08:31 AM
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of course! I'm just saying that some guys seem to think that 'flirting' = making her attracted. It's just not how it works lol
/r/seduction14/01/25 07:17 PM
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the issue is that if a girl isn't into she really doesn't want you to flirt and certainly doesn't want to flirt back. It's unwanted attention.
/r/seduction14/01/25 01:38 PM
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Hopefully you get some good answers, but in my time I slowly came to realise that it was out of your control too an extent. You need to find girls who are either very attracted to you (and so are receptive to the open and don't want you to leave and so carry their weight in the convo) or girls who are just very social and talkative etc. (more and more girls seem to lack fairly basic social skills nowadays due to the smartphone lol) Ideally both!!!! It really shouldn't be hard. If it's really har…
/r/seduction13/01/25 06:03 PM
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Was mostly on facebook. As i say, for some reason, she was sometimes quite different in person which confused me at the time, and more than once I completely doubted myself and doubted my initial judgement that she was into me But it was just little things. She accepted my friend request very fast and joked that 'she'd never accepted a friend request so fast'. There was a works drinks thing being planned that she got invited too and that I didn't know about and I teased her that she was only inv…
/r/seduction12/01/25 03:00 PM
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It's actually true. I remember being basically a virgin a few years after all my friends had got laid and i'd also see (fake) PUA's talking about their 200+ notch count and how they can get any girl they want etc, and it all honestly had quite a strong, negative effect on me. I'd sit up at night feeling horrible and inferior and jealous etc etc! I ended up jumping head first into PUA and watched and read literally EVERYTHING out there. Anything PUA you can name i've seen or read. Even the expens…
/r/seduction11/01/25 05:33 PM
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Then you're not in Thailand. Exit immediately and head to Thailand
/r/seduction11/01/25 03:55 PM
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rocking on the clock!!
/r/seduction06/01/25 07:20 PM
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Not even sure the word 'seduced' is ever even appropriate tbh. It's not really in your control. She's either attracted to you or she's not BUT yes, I banged a co worker last year. Probably the hottest girl i've ever banged. Extremely pretty blonde haired green eyed early 20's girl. Very nice body. Turned heads wherever she went. When I saw her I was like 'Whoa!!!' and I didn't even imagine for a second she'd be interested in me, but after a few very short convo's I could kind of tell she was. I …
/r/seduction06/01/25 06:35 PM
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yes. I suspect you're right and that that's a massive part of the reason. I also think the thousands on infields on youtube had some effect. IN the old days there was no youtube and people kind of took peoples claims at face value. When PUA's started dropping infields back in the day (fairly rare) people were impressed, but as thousands and thousands more came in, people started to see the 'pattern'. The pattern was that good looking PUA's got way better results that uglier ones. That all PUA's …
/r/seduction06/01/25 03:18 PM
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yet they used too, just 10 years ago or so. On mass! I just find it intriguing
/r/seduction06/01/25 03:14 PM
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It's in pickup coaches' best interests to claim that your physical appearance doesn't matter since it gets them more clients yes, I kind of touched upon that in my post. I'm more interested in why/how it suddenly changed when it did. It's as if everyone suddenly woke up at the same time and thought 'Yeah, this is mostly BS! Pros get rejected just as much as me with all of their advanced game! She basically decides yes or no the second I say 'hi'!' lol
/r/seduction06/01/25 03:06 PM
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If you’re a gross slob, you’re mostly limited to being a club rat picking up young drink chicks i've never seen anything like this lol. Young girls seem to be the most 'superficial'. I think an old 'gross slob' would be completely invisible to some hot very young girl
/r/seduction06/01/25 02:13 PM
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This is exactly what I've found to be the case
/r/seduction20/01/21 09:57 PM
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Exactly. It's not usually about skill or game. It's just whether she's attracted and interested in you or not. Find the girls who are. The other girls can't be gamed
/r/seduction31/12/20 11:03 AM
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