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Maybe you have good quality photos but not the right kind
/r/seduction29/10/22 10:16 AM
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You don't have good pics then
/r/seduction28/10/22 08:13 PM
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Yes, quite a few in fact
/r/seduction28/10/22 06:12 PM
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Nope, it's gold
/r/seduction28/10/22 01:29 PM
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Idk I have Tinder Gold and I don't even swipe anymore, I just check the profiles of the women who liked me and I pick the ones I like the most. This way I know exactly what my options are and I don't have to waste time swiping
/r/seduction28/10/22 11:32 AM
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When a random guy approaches you at a club it is never for your personality, it's about your body. Your face is a part of your body. I do not see the point of this question? So a guy who finds your face attractive is ok, but a guy who finds your breasts attractive is "the wrong kind of guy"?
/r/seduction24/10/22 01:39 PM
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Your face is part of your body, is it not?
/r/seduction24/10/22 01:29 PM
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Depends on the girl; some take longer to get comfortable than others. It doesn't have to happen on one date
/r/seduction24/10/22 07:51 AM
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Usually, when we're at stage 4, we'd already be at my place cuddling on my coach. If that's not the case, you can mention that you live not far from here and ask if she'd like to come over. It helps to have something at your place to keep up the pretense, for example a bottle of wine
/r/seduction23/10/22 08:24 PM
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Why tf would you bother random women like this if Tinder exists?
/r/seduction23/10/22 01:29 PM
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Why do you have to tell them you want to have sex with them? You should be trying to make them want to have sex with you. Then you just take it. The keyword is "flirting". I see flirting as a prelude to sex, kind of a mating dance. It's like an early form of foreplay. A good flirt can make a woman wet without even doing anything overtly sexual. It's a difficult skill to learn and not something I can explain in a post. Flirting should be slowly escalated as her level of comfort increases, then tr…
/r/seduction23/10/22 12:45 PM
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Guys on this sub have such a hard time understanding that this is how most women feel. They refuse to accept others might not be comfortable with their "kino escalation" and they just shoot themselves in the foot
/r/seduction22/10/22 10:02 PM
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Look well. You don't have to be jacked like Chris Hemsworth but you do have to dress well and be well groomed. Fashion is king. Create opportunities to meet women. Honestly, if you don't meet many women in your everyday life, I think Tinder is your best bet. Just get some good photos and you'll be way ahead of 80% of guys on Tinder. Spoiler: shirtless selfies are not good Be playful and flirty but don't push for sex. Try to make her feel relaxed and girly, and she will want to be touched. You do…
/r/seduction22/10/22 09:59 PM
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WTF is a personal ad? "Hello, my name is Jimmy Jimbo. Are you tired of guys flaking on you? Have you been hurt by your soulmate cheating on you? Are you tired of having orgasms? Then this, my dear MILF, is a product for you Introducing Jimmy's Dating Experience, the latest innovation from the creators of Jimmy's Friendship Experience. No flaking, no cheating and a 0 orgasm money back guarantee. You can have all that for just 9.99$. But wait! Just kidding, you can get it for free. Please"
/r/seduction22/10/22 09:44 AM
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She doesn't get spooked, she just doesn't give a shit. There's a lot of women on Tinder that will talk to you just for an ego boost. They treat the less attractive guys as free entertainment. Nobody expects or even wants to get to know a person over text. It's such a contrived medium. The best you can do is be open, relaxed and respectful towards her. If she likes you, she will come. If she doesn't, she wouldn't come anyway. You can and should work on your profile pictures - on Tinder they're wh…
/r/seduction20/10/22 07:29 PM
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Dude, are you a clown or a cool guy looking for a lucky girl? You don't have to entertain her. In fact, even trying to be entertaining is needy I think. You should be only trying to entertain *yourself*. Or not, if you don't feel like it. I just do this and I get a date like ~50% of the time: "Hi, you're very cute :) Drinks, coffee or waffles?" And then I ask her out right away If she doesn't want to come then she's just not into you, she wouldn't come anyway Pics are way more important than wha…
/r/seduction20/10/22 03:56 PM
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Yes. Assert dominance over the female
/r/seduction16/10/22 12:12 PM
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Don't try flirting over Tinder, she'll get bored to death and you'll loose her every time. Tinder is only for setting up the date, so be upfront. Here's what's working for me: "Hi, you look very cute 🙂 Do you prefer coffee, pizza or waffles?" Then just invite her out, it's that simple. If she doesn't want to come, she wouldn't have come anyway. Have some balls
/r/seduction09/10/22 04:45 PM
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You'd think a lesbian woman would know best how to ask a lesbian woman out
/r/seduction03/10/22 11:19 PM
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Why would they be creepy
/r/seduction03/10/22 09:16 PM
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It's not one thing in particular, it's a set of things. But if I had to pick just one: Getting good pics
/r/seduction03/10/22 04:16 PM
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No likes = bad pictures or red flags. Simple as that. If you have good pictures you don't really need a bio It really did help me tremendously to get the right pictures. By right, I don't mean shirtless selfies or overcontrived photos; just look your best and ask a (female) friend to be your photographer. Here are the 2 photos I use: https://i.imgur.com/ZBm7ovu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3r3aQz1.jpg
/r/seduction03/10/22 03:35 PM
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Well, that depends on what exactly your issue is: are you not getting likes or do you have a problem with turning those likes into dates? I used to struggle with both
/r/seduction03/10/22 02:59 PM
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Sometimes it's the same day lay. Most of the time, it's 2nd or 3rd. Sometimes, it's longer than that. This one time, I had a fwb who didn't want to have intercourse at all, but she'd do all other kinds of kinky bdsm shit with me. This lasted 2 months. If what you're expecting is getting women you never met before to instantly drop their panties after 5 minutes of convo, then I can't help you. But let me just say, I think it's very needy. It puts you in the mindset of expecting something from the…
/r/seduction03/10/22 10:59 AM
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Trust me, almost certainly neither does she. The notable exception, as I said, are the hardcore religious chicks who think sex before mariage is a sin. But you won't find many of those on Tinder. What she probably wants, at least initialy, is a bit of this boyfriend experience, but without the complications and commitment. Essentialy boyfriend version demo long sessions of hugging and kissing watching Netflix together going out on dates talking about nothing having sex They are all very importan…
/r/seduction03/10/22 10:44 AM
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Yeah I have. Dude, women want to have sex too. They just work a bit different. You have to have patience. Most women will not want to have sex on the first date, period. They need a feeling of security and comfort to open up sexually, and this takes time. Or a lot of booze. Make her feel good around you, desired and safe; the rest will follow naturally
/r/seduction03/10/22 10:20 AM
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Honestly, Tinder is an awesome place to get dates if you know what you're doing. I used to get nada;zilch. But now I'm getting so many dates I can't even fit them all into my schedule. Just because a girl says she's "not DTF" or "not looking for ons" doesn't mean she won't sleep with you. Unless she's like hardcore christian. What it usually means is that she wants to take things slow or is sick of guys comming on too strong
/r/seduction03/10/22 09:27 AM
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Yeah that's the part that takes practice. First of all, you should build up the play as she begins to feel more comfortable around you. You can almost always make a lighthearted joke about her; you should wait with pulling her hair until you've established a bit of a connection; tickling her can be very fun and arousing, but you should do it later; I like to do it as a segue into hugging. If she feels comfortable being tickled, she is very much into you and won't object to a romantic hug. Possib…
/r/seduction10/09/22 08:46 AM
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If you're making mean jokes about her then you're doing it wrong. Not like a bully It's not about playing games and being mean and nice. It's about being yourself but also being playful. Sex is play. Women need play to let their guard down, when you're serious they feel pressured and stressed. Which is why direct approach almost never works. It's also a great way to initiate physical contact instead of whatever awkward touching advice you will find here. Think of it as a mating dance You asked w…
/r/seduction10/09/22 06:52 AM
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You are overthinking it even now. Flirting is a natural skill to have, it's just probably not what you think. When a (healthy) teenage boy likes a girl, what does he do? He might pull her hair, give her a shove, steal her notebook and make her chase him, make jokes about her... But in a playful way, not like a bully. And that's exactly what flirting is. In fact, I suggest you incorporate these ideas. It's a great way of initiating courtship with minimal investment on your part. Just be delicate …
/r/seduction10/09/22 06:09 AM
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/r/seduction10/09/22 05:44 AM
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I believe the people who end up on this forum are mostly overthinkers. Most of the advice here is overthinking. Sometimes it works, in a "I'm not good at swimming so let me attach a motorboat engine to my butt" kind of way. Other times it just doesn't work at all. Here's all the advice I think you really need: 1. Be your best self 2. Create opportunities to meet women 3. Flirt and try to connect 4. Profit You learn how to flirt by doing it, but the essence is getting accross the idea that you li…
/r/seduction09/09/22 09:22 PM
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I agree with you OP. Forcing your advances on someone after repeatedly being told to stop is bad advice. TBH, I think most of the advice you will find on this forum is bad advice.
/r/seduction09/09/22 08:55 PM
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So basically this is a long-winded way of saying "if you believe you are fun, confident and attractive, you will be"? Or, in other words "fake it till you make it"?
/r/seduction30/08/22 04:49 PM
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Can we get an ELI5 version?
/r/seduction30/08/22 04:33 PM
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That's what I'm getting from this. She "should" be interested in me but isn't, hence she's being illogical. What's your interpretation?
/r/seduction23/08/22 10:07 AM
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Translation: women are stupid for not being interested in me. I'm so attractive, but like, it takes at least Rick&Morty levels of IQ to notice that
/r/seduction23/08/22 09:37 AM
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I'm going to shock you and say I think game is downright harmful. I've been harming myself for years like that. I'm also going to shock you and say that the variables I meant are: genetics (in general, not just looks; as an example women can decide if you're genetically compatible based on your smell alone) personal connection. Because most women really don't feel comfortable with the idea of having sex with a complete stranger. Or someone who takes all their objections as a challenge/shit test.…
/r/seduction22/08/22 09:38 PM
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I'm going to assume it has happened more than once or twice, because otherwise it's not that special, it has happened to me twice as well. I'm also going to assume we're talking approaches with a clear intention of flirting, not asking for directions/having a pleasant chat If that's the case then either you're better looking than me or I have no idea. Because I'm confident in my ability, my intelligence, my physical strength. I'm fully independent at an age where most people in my country still …
/r/seduction22/08/22 09:17 PM
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I think it's not just looks and not just confidence though. I think there's a plethora of variables most people here fail to consider.
/r/seduction22/08/22 08:51 PM
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Random women on the street/in the club approached you because they could feel your confidence? Or women you already knew in person approached you?
/r/seduction22/08/22 08:33 PM
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That's exactly what I'm saying, so it's a good thing we agree Also the example was obviously taken to the extreme to illustrate a point.
/r/seduction22/08/22 08:29 PM
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Probably not. Imagine an average guy is holding confident eye contact and standing straight. Will any of the girls want to suck his d just because of that? Probably not
/r/seduction22/08/22 08:26 PM
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That's called playing the numbers game. And there's nothing wrong with that. But don't act like just because you approached 100 women and got 5 dates out of it, that you're suddenly an irresistable catch to women. You're not, you're just persistent
/r/seduction22/08/22 06:58 PM
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Arguably correct. However, being a 6 and the most confident man in the whole world will not necessarily make you more attractive than a 6 who is simply not insecure. It's like with vitamins - if you have a deficiency, taking vitamins will help you. If you don't, taking more might even hurt you.
/r/seduction22/08/22 06:47 PM
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And after you've said that, she stops you and buys you a drink? Or let's you walk away like she doesn't care at all? I mean, you've shown confidence which is supposedly the main criterium. Also you're well-groomed, not ugly looking and she's single. She should be seeing you as a catch, right? I mean, having it all figured out you should be getting at least 1 date in 5 approaches, minimum. So what's your ratio then?
/r/seduction22/08/22 06:37 PM
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Ok, so after you've "shown confidence" in this way, she obviously changed her mind and asked you to go out with her? I mean, they say confidence is the main criterium, so it should have happened at least once or twice... My example was obviously taking it to the extreme. The point is, no ammount of confidence will make a girl like you. A lack of confidence could scare away a girl that was into you, but not the other way around. And if you can't get her to like you in the first place then no ammo…
/r/seduction22/08/22 06:18 PM
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I think confidence is way overrated. I could be very confident but it rarely got me far. I mean, imagine the most confident thing a guy could do. Let's say walk up to a girl, slap her ass and say some corny line. With 100% authentic confidence. If it is such an important criterium, she should be falling head over heels for him at that point. Or at least be interested. But in reality she's probably going to call the police on him. So I feel like confidence only really matters when she's into you …
/r/seduction22/08/22 05:51 PM
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What advice do you have to share when it comes to pickup that hasn't been talked to death on this forum already ?
/r/seduction20/08/22 05:39 PM
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Couldn't agree more. It's way better to meet women through social circle or indirect approach. Though when using indirect approach you really need to know how to flirt
/r/seduction14/08/22 11:27 AM
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Yeah but I mean like authentic feelings. Being lovestruck with someone. Some guys fall in love easier than others. Especially the shy type. After 2 years of hiding your affection from someone close to you it would be very possible to fall in love with that person My uncle is constantly depressed, living in an unhappy marriage. To this day he can't get over a certain woman he met in his twenties. Even though, afaik, they never even had sex. But they were pretty close and both had a thing for each…
/r/seduction14/08/22 02:38 AM
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Would you want to be friends with a guy you had feelings for if he rejected you? Hang out with him and his girlfriend; watch them kissing/hugging/etc? listen to his plans of spending the weekend with her? Be invited to their wedding? Watch them have kids? Or would that cause you pain and envy? Here is your answer
/r/seduction13/08/22 08:51 PM
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Why do you think they don't? I personally know several nice guys who got a lot of success in dating There's a difference between a nice guy and a "nice guy"
/r/seduction11/08/22 02:36 PM
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Tyler Durden wrote a book? That's very impressive for a person who doesn't exist even within the boundaries of the fiction of his own story
/r/seduction10/08/22 06:48 PM
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Hi, I'm late to the party, I've been so busy I forgot about this whole thing I've seen your video and I think it is very cool of you that you've decided to share your viewpoint. I would like to see a part 2 if it ever happens. If I may suggest something, I think you should try to better understand the root of the problem that brought so many men here - and tackle this issue directly See, the main group of men on this sub - I think - are people who are lonely and very confused about female sexual…
/r/seduction01/08/22 11:09 PM
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So is this a thing still or not happening?
/r/seduction20/07/22 08:52 AM
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Are you trying to smash her rn? Silly me, I would have never thought of bullying a random person online. Brilliant, I bet she's wet already
/r/seduction18/07/22 05:32 PM
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Woah man, what an adult irrefutable argument. You've definetly proven your superior intellect now. You've won Reddit. I think it's enough internet for today
/r/seduction18/07/22 05:19 PM
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That'd be great. I'll be waiting for any info on this AMA or, if you don't end up doing it, I would gladly have a private chat with you
/r/seduction18/07/22 02:09 PM
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I'd be interested to talk about it with women if we can agree to keep the conversation sincere and to the point. I feel like many women are dishonest on this topic to avoid taboos or to appear virtuous
/r/seduction18/07/22 01:46 PM
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So what is a real-life example of being dominant in your opinion?
/r/seduction05/07/22 10:20 AM
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What was your approach-to-lay ratio?
/r/seduction03/07/22 09:24 PM
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I think I dress very well and I'm always groomed when I leave my flat. I'm 25 white Polish guy. I have no issues making friends and people tend to like me. I am confident in being a valuable, fit, smart, useful member of society. I don't have that much confidence with women because, well, I haven't had many good experiences in this regard. I'm not afraid of talking to girls or being direct with them, I just learned by experience that it's probably not going to lead anywhere. I don't know if I'm …
/r/seduction01/07/22 08:45 PM
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Well it's certainly more than your average male could bench by a wide margin. Especially without breaking form.
/r/seduction01/07/22 08:04 PM
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Idk man girls almost never seem to have any interest in me to begin with. And no I don't get compliments from women. Unless they're my mom or her friends Even when I got these matches I could never sense excitement on the other side that she gets to have a chance with a fit guy like me. It was usually like she's there because she's bored and she's looking for attention, and she expects me to entertain her. Or at the very least she puts no effort into the interaction at all
/r/seduction01/07/22 05:03 PM
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Are you a dude or a dudette?
/r/seduction01/07/22 03:35 PM
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I tried tinder a few years ago. Had the premium subscription. Put a shirtless selfie as my main pic and some picks of me hiking. Had a decent ammount of matches. Can't recall the specifics but I remember it was somewhat higher than the average ammount of matches guys get on tinder. But that could be partly due to my paid subscription. Been using it for like 4 months I think. I stopped about when covid started. In fact I remember my last match told me she doesn't want to meet due to covid. During…
/r/seduction01/07/22 03:17 PM
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Tell me about it. I'm 1.84m tall, 83kg, slim, working on my 6pack(this year I'm behind the schedule). I bench 85kgx10 with good form. I feel like i'm invisible to women and unless I start taking steroids I don't think I can get much bigger
/r/seduction01/07/22 02:48 PM
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My motivation for working out was mostly being attractive to women. I've been working out a lot and eating healthy for 9 years now. Expectation: women compliment you on how strong and muscular you are Reality: dudes compliment you on how strong and muscular you are
/r/seduction01/07/22 09:59 AM
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"Can I pee in your butt?" ... What, it's just me?
/r/seduction28/06/22 11:09 PM
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Are you feeling ok?
/r/seduction19/06/22 11:01 PM
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Keep talking about League of Legends
/r/seduction19/06/22 08:21 PM
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This is the thing though, there are people who are naturally good with women. And these people usually don't even know how they do it. They don't use any tricks, techniques or gimmicks; don't do cold approaching and don't count how many women they opened this week... They just flirt. And dress well. And these guys always seem to have girls queueing up to them. Makes me wonder if all the pickup wisdom is an aid or more of a hinderance
/r/seduction19/06/22 06:30 PM
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Exactly, less is more
/r/seduction12/06/22 02:02 PM
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Great, maybe you can make some female friends, it's always good to have more friends. And if you're feeling bored or disinterested in them at any point - remember it's ok to just say goodbye and walk away
/r/seduction12/06/22 01:35 PM
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Because you think they're cute. And it's fun and exciting to flirt with cute girls. If you don't think they're cute, and you don't want to flirt with them, then why would you want to have sex with them? At that point just order a prostitute. For a guy who earns 6 figures, I'm sure you can afford whores. ... But that's not what you want, is it? I think maybe they didn't want to talk to you because you seemed stressed and like you're forcing yourself. Or maybe they could sense you expected somethi…
/r/seduction12/06/22 01:13 PM
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He is actually meeting almost all girls just by living his life - through friends, through school, through work. He doesn't ever really seem to need to cold approach. You go to salsa and yoga classes, there's probably a whole bunch of women there. Have a chat with one after classes. And try not to stress. The point is you should be having fun. You don't have to get her number, to impress her, to set up a date, to compliment her - nothing. Maybe she starts laughing a lot at your jokes, tell her y…
/r/seduction12/06/22 12:48 PM
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I don't know if it's possible to stop wanting them. You'd forever be dissatisfied For him flirting is the point of flirting. And sex is just advanced flirting. The guy literalry can't be rejected. He can't be rejected because there's nothing he wants from the girl. He is just having his own fun and it's like he's inviting her to play with him. Women are cute. They're tiny, big-eyed, constantly anxious and worried over some small things, they dress in silly ways and paint their faces, looking for…
/r/seduction12/06/22 12:18 PM
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In short: 1. He's always the best dressed man in the room 2. He is a master flirt. Very playful and subtle. 3. He seems to have a very different mindset to that of a PUA. The PUA mindset is that "results matter", aka sex or it doesn't count. His mindset is that he just enjoys flirting with cute girls and making them blush and giggle. He really seems to enjoy it. He never pushes for sex and if he doesn't feel chemistry or if the girl bores him he just walks away on his own. To him if he's not fee…
/r/seduction12/06/22 11:40 AM
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I haven't been counting, but I think it's safe to say I had been doing it for about a year too. From all that effort I got one sloppy ons and a few dates that went nowhere or that ended up with the girl ghosting me. Eventually I had an actual mental breakdown from all the rejection and loneliness (+ other things). I'm still taking anti-depressants and going to therapy. By accident I recently met a guy who is an actual god with women. Imagine pulling 3 hot girls a week, without even doing cold ap…
/r/seduction12/06/22 09:16 AM
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I second that
/r/seduction11/06/22 10:41 PM
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I'm looking for a solution outside of pickup. After all the failures I got trying to follow the common guru advice I decided it's either just not working for me or it's a bunch of bs aimed at selling books and courses to desperate men I do think I'm getting more dates since I changed my approach. But I don't feel confident enough yet in my ability to claim that what I'm doing is the right way. If you're interested to read my ramblings anyway, feel free to PM me.
/r/seduction11/06/22 08:59 PM
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Sounds familiar to me
/r/seduction11/06/22 08:33 PM
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Don't know but do tell us if you try it
/r/seduction10/06/22 10:52 PM
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Very well, I will Pm you
/r/seduction09/06/22 09:14 PM
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Who are you anyway to tell me if I have an attractive body or not, I don't suppose you're a woman
/r/seduction09/06/22 04:17 PM
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I guess that's fair
/r/seduction09/06/22 04:15 PM
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And let's say I do that, you'll tell me if you think I'm muscular enough or not, then what? What can I do based on your opinion? If I could get more muscle - I would. I would go to the gym 7x a week if I thought it would give me better results.
/r/seduction09/06/22 04:09 PM
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You'd think after 9 years of working out my muscles would be as defined as they can get
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:33 PM
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I don't really know what I need. Women's sex drive is a mystery to me. And everyone says something different and none of it really works
/r/seduction09/06/22 10:41 AM
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I've been heavily considering it, don't think I haven't. I talked about it with my parents and my therapist and they were all worried about me. I might still do it, as a last resort. But we live in a madhouse world if I actually have to inject myself with a harmful substance just so I can find love. Imagine I have a son, and what then? I come back tired from work,"Son, you've turned 16, it's time to start taking your anabolic drugs". Meanwhile the wife is slightly chubby and a stay-at-home mom, …
/r/seduction09/06/22 09:30 AM
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I've been working out for 9 years, the last few years 4-5 times weekly. My workouts are so intense I took a friend with me once and he almost fainted. I'm careful of what I eat, I've been on a diet often. I've had 3 fitness trainers. I've never been nowhere near to jacked. Athletic, yes. Sixpack, yes. Strong, yes. Jacked, no. Those other guys are either taking steroids (I'm certain many are) or my genes are just bad. It's always annoyed me to no end that I've been putting in so much effort and g…
/r/seduction09/06/22 08:33 AM
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I've been under the impression (and this is just what I got from my own observations) that very often getting a girl is less about impressing her and more about just not dropping the ball. And the way guys usually drop the ball(incl. me) is that they tend to overthink and stress out, becomming unauthentic; or that they try too hard to push things forward, killing any sense of intrigue or tension. You seem to have a bunch of experience so I wanted to ask for your thoughts, what would be the "gold…
/r/seduction06/06/22 04:16 PM
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Yes, I'm 100% with you on this. People who are naturals don't use techniques - it's like breathing to them. And I think most of the techniques can be harmful, actually. There should be an r/anti-seduction lol
/r/seduction06/06/22 03:51 PM
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I agree there are many schools and there are some bits and pieces I think are good advice, such as be well-groomed or don't be needy. And then there's advice that (I personally) think is downright harmful. Such as negging, pushing for sex on the first date, refusing to pay for the date, treating objections as "shit tests", avoiding emotional connection, trying to be a "bad boy", pushing for escalation, gimmicks, general red-pill advice. There's some advice that, while not directly harmful, just …
/r/seduction06/06/22 02:44 PM
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I'm above 6ft and I've always struggled with women
/r/seduction06/06/22 08:13 AM
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I started observing guys who were better with women than I was. By accident I met a guy who is a natural - what he does is like magic. He can easily pull 3 new hot girls a week, while barely even putting in any effort. He makes it look trivial, and he can't even explain how he does it. But what he does goes almost completely against the usual guru advice. He doesn't even do cold approaching. So, I made friends with him and started taking notes. We've only known each other for several months now,…
/r/seduction05/06/22 06:46 PM
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I'm probably not making any friends here by saying this, but here goes "Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change..." If it doesn't work for you for such an extended period of time - don't do it. It didn't work for me either. Eventually I found another way. One that goes completely against the usual guru advice. I might not be pulling 3 women daily but I'm satisfied with where I am …
/r/seduction05/06/22 06:28 PM
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I actually think this should be an instinct. Children are naturally good flirts. Young(healthy) boys like getting attention from girls even before they actually develop a sex drive. Sometimes they even date or kiss a girl before they even know what sex is. I've seen young boys pull hair of a girl they like , or steal her school supplies and make her chase them, or call her funny names and much more.Of course, the difference between play and bullying is the intensity, but that is something that h…
/r/seduction03/06/22 05:33 PM
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I wouldn't call myself a master flirt, but I've been observing and learning from guys who actually are. It seems to be a delicate balancing act. To be a good flirt you want to show your desire to the girl, but be subtle and playful about it. You never want to put all your cards on the table. Keep her at about 80% sure you actually want her and aren't just playing with her/being nice. Leave some space for her to be a bit nervous and do the chasing herself. Guys usually either play too scared, not…
/r/seduction03/06/22 08:11 AM
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This is what I've been trying to achieve, too. I know a few guys who are really good with women, but they never do cold approaching. I think it mostly comes down to being well groomed and a good flirt. But flirting well seems to be a very nuanced subject
/r/seduction02/06/22 08:11 PM
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You go my dude, become the Tinder legend you were always meant to be
/r/seduction02/06/22 07:59 PM
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Yeah that's what I'm saying, if it works it works and it may be possible to stop caring so much, because there's always some other girl waiting for you. But if it doesn't work, which I'm pretty sure it won't for the majority of men, then it becomes unsustainable to get rejected 20+ times in a row only to always come home alone, trying to lie to yourself that you don't care. I've been there, now I'm on antidepressants + need therapy
/r/seduction31/05/22 09:48 AM
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I don't think it's possible for a person who repeatedly gets rejected by random women to not care, and lying to yourself that it's not a big deal is not very healthy. Unless you're some kind of a sociopath, or you're so incredibly handsome you get a date every few approaches
/r/seduction30/05/22 11:57 PM
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Above 6ft but so am I
/r/seduction30/05/22 07:53 AM
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I know a guy who is much younger than me(17). He is pretty much the opposite of your usual gigachad nonsense. His body is so anemic a strong gust of wind could probably break his bones. He has 0 money (obviously). He is just your average student with 0 status. He doesn't have a deep voice and his face looks almost feminine. But he slays pussy like you wouldn't believe. And he's not even trying. He doesn't even know how he's doing it, but it is quite normal for him to have sex with 2-3 women a we…
/r/seduction25/05/22 07:42 PM
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Man, isn't it weird how women are turned on by the strangest things. I don't think most men need this kind of well-placed flattery to want to get it on.
/r/seduction12/05/22 07:05 PM
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Ok, well, what if girls don't usually qualify themselves to me and almost always seem disinterested/friendly?
/r/seduction12/05/22 06:39 PM
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So, were they mean to you?
/r/seduction09/05/22 07:39 AM
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It's fucking scary to keep eye contact with a girl because there's always this thought in the back of your head that you're being a creep and making her feel uncomfortable. Especially if she has a "resting bitch face" and she herself keeps looking away
/r/seduction08/05/22 07:10 PM
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Depends. If you just want to talk to him then it's fine. But if you want him to get the hint and take the initiative then it might be too subtle. Guys keep obsessing over wheather a girl likes them or is just being nice. Honestly you can't go overboard with being upfront. Tell him he looks cute and you've been wondering what he's doing later
/r/seduction08/05/22 07:06 PM
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A wise person once said "A single guy would flirt with a tree if it approached him" Srsly, I guarantee you they will be glad you did, even if they don't like you. Doesn't happen ever to most guys
/r/seduction08/05/22 06:51 PM
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She wanted to do something physically active. I asked her if she would like to do archery and she seemed to like that idea. She said yes. Besides she's a martial arts instructor. You'd think she likes physical activities
/r/seduction08/08/21 07:12 PM
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I didn't write anything else during those 18 hours though. I just waited patiently for her to respond. I only showed as much interest as was necessary to set the date up. I didn't send her funny memes and I didn't text her anything that wasn't necessary
/r/seduction08/08/21 05:22 PM
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It was sunny all day.
/r/seduction08/08/21 05:08 PM
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I am emotionally charged over it because it's not the first time. I am always getting flaked or ghosted or led on. I barely ever got any actual dates. Like a fool I always plan my day around it, prepare my best clothes, groom myself as best as I can, clean my room as best as I can, book the seats at the caffeteria, sometimes I buy wine just in case... And then she doesn't come. That's just a bitch move. Last time a girl approached me and literalry invited me on a coffee date. Then on the coffee …
/r/seduction08/08/21 05:02 PM
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I don't work at an office. I'm a fundraiser, my job is meeting random people and convincing them to support my fundation. She is also a fundraiser, just for a different fundation. That's how we met, on the street. I'm probably not going to be seeing her everyday. Maybe not every week. ​ That's a bitch move. Why am I always getting flaked, I hate it. Why couldn't she just tell me no. Or sorry, I changed my mind. I thought there was something between us.
/r/seduction08/08/21 04:18 PM
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I'd like to know some good ones
/r/seduction03/08/21 05:01 PM
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This was an actual example of an approach I've seen on a PUA website (I think it was Girls Chase). Obviously replace "guy" with "woman". Yes 80/1 is pretty bad, it was an exaggerated example. But I don't think there's many people who can reach even 10/1 ratio with direct opener. I'm about 20/1. So no matter how good you are you're still going to get rejected 10+ times before you find a girl that's into you. Is it an Alpha thing to get rejected dozens of times just to get laid? I thought Alphas a…
/r/seduction29/07/21 10:18 PM
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You wouldn't walk up to a guy and go "hey, I just had to come over and tell you, you're the most handsome guy I've seen all day". Would you? No, not unless you're gay. So why would you walk up like that to women? Because you don't see her as a person, just as a body to have sex with. This is something that came to my mind when talking to my female friends. If you saw her as a person you'd chat her up like a normal person and actually try to get to know her. Women notice this and I think they con…
/r/seduction29/07/21 09:40 PM
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Is it an Alpha thing to talk to women like they're not even people and get rejected 80 times before you stumble upon one that happens to be dtf?
/r/seduction29/07/21 09:18 PM
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Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking, maybe I'm putting too much pressure on her from the start if I show intent upfront. Maybe it's better to just have a little chat and flirt a bit
/r/seduction29/07/21 09:11 PM
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180 sounds achievable. I still need to bulk up a bit first cuz if I cut now I'll be like 160 pounds. I will do my best
/r/seduction29/07/21 07:46 AM
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Haha I will try.
/r/seduction28/07/21 08:44 PM
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Oh wow, 93 kg? I don't think I ever have a chance to come close to that
/r/seduction28/07/21 08:43 PM
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Actually, what about you?
/r/seduction28/07/21 04:05 PM
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I think my peak was 78kg 12% bf. Then I had a depressive episode and I've lost like 10kg. Now, like I said I'm 80kg 20% bf
/r/seduction28/07/21 04:04 PM
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I'm 1.84m(6ft) and I've really tried my best to be fit and muscular. I've been considering doing steroids more and more. When you say "visible abs" you mean going around shirtless? I've got to say I almost never do that, not near other people at least
/r/seduction28/07/21 03:53 PM
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Haha you made it sound like you get hit on thrice a week I guess dating as a man is just fucking hard
/r/seduction28/07/21 03:46 PM
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I've had a 6-pack before. I've only lost it because I was trying to bulk up. Unfortunately I've never been hit on by anybody in my life. In fact I feel like I've always been invisible to women, even in my peak condition
/r/seduction28/07/21 03:43 PM
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What if I'm a hardgainer and I've been stuck on a plateau for fucking years. I've had 3 coaches now and I've been going 4-5 times a week and if I eat more then I just get fat. I'm at 80kg 20% bf Do you do steroids or something?
/r/seduction28/07/21 07:49 AM
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Not really. I mean I guess I'm just not high-value enough for women to even notice me. I'm not handsome enough, not muscular enough, not rich enough, not popular enough...I may forever be the last option of any woman I ever come accross
/r/seduction26/07/21 07:54 PM
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I've been going to the gym for the last 8 years. Religiously. At some points 5x weekly. I've been reading up on hypertrophy, I've had 3 coaches, I've been dieting. I'm much better than I was before but I'm still far from movie star physique. I'm the definition of a hardgainer. I'm starting to think it really is genetic. I'm working as a fundraiser for Greenpeace because I wanted my work to have meaning. I could have had a much better paid job but I wanted to do this. Because I think what Greenpe…
/r/seduction26/07/21 05:00 PM
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I don't even have the money for drugs
/r/seduction26/07/21 04:34 AM
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I'm a fundraiser for Greenpeace because I wanted to make a difference and I needed my work to have meaning. Is that purpose?
/r/seduction26/07/21 04:23 AM
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I am aware of SMV. If that's really what is attractive to women then I guess I'm fucked. I never craved more than the essentials and I don't care much for money. I'm a minimalist I never wanted to be famous or high-status, instead I just want my work to have purpose. I'm an altruist I've never been very aggressive. I'm rather friendly and kind. Maybe I'm damaged in the head or something because I'm the exact opposite of what it takes to procreate, apparently
/r/seduction26/07/21 04:15 AM
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By "approach" do you mean direct approach like "Hey, I noticed you're cute and I wanted to talk to you" or just chatting her up like "God, it's sizzling hot today!"
/r/seduction23/07/21 10:28 PM
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How long did it take for them to show signs of interest? Was it right away or did it take some time?
/r/seduction23/07/21 10:17 PM
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So basically you're saying that it is possible to "make" someone attracted by being charming? Or is it that you thought they were charming because you found them attractive?
/r/seduction23/07/21 09:57 PM
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How do you find the interested girls tho?
/r/seduction23/07/21 09:52 PM
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Yeah, I've been thinking about quitting cold approach completely in favor of trying to meet more women in my spare time. Instead of going direct and trying to lead the interaction just have some small talk. Try to bond a little. If she's interested there ought to be signs. If there's no signs then she's just not up for it.
/r/seduction23/07/21 09:50 PM
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Sounds like me. Athletic and "handsome" looser
/r/seduction23/07/21 07:53 PM
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Yeah with my horrid approach-to-close ratio I decided it's not worth putting in hours and hours of getting rejected or lead on just to have a ons with some average girl that didn't put in any effort There's the Law of Least Effort that says it should be effortless to attract women. While I have no clue how to actually do that I'm pretty sure making 80 approaches to get laid once is the exact opposite of effortless
/r/seduction14/07/21 07:45 AM
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I guess it's illegal to ask questions now
/r/seduction13/07/21 12:17 PM
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Hey OP, out of curiosity, what is your approach-to-close ratio and how has it changed over time?
/r/seduction13/07/21 07:47 AM
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Yeah I didn't feel like I was progressing at all. I felt like it was pointless; I tried so hard and everytime I would end up going home by myself anyway. So much effort, time and energy for nothing but shattered nerves. It's hard to treat months of nothing but rejection as positive feedback
/r/seduction11/06/21 01:38 PM
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Ah, so you're saying if you're an ugly fat woman in her 50s noone is going to notice you and give you special treatment anymore? And the best thing you can do about it is be less fat and do some basic exercise ? Horrible. It is so much better to be an average man. That way even when you're in your 20s and you're slim and hitting the gym regularly on a diet you can still go unnoticed and receive no special treatment.
/r/seduction10/06/21 04:17 PM
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I don't have a cure. But I think there has to be a better way than getting rejected dozens or even hundreds of times just to get a sloppy one night stand that probably won't lead to anything else. Rn I'm just focusing on other areas of my life and we will see where it takes me
/r/seduction10/06/21 03:00 PM
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Yes, for the time being I stopped even trying to date/pickup and I'm completely focused on other areas of my life. Mainly, I think I've finally found a passion and a purpose in life. So I'm changing my career and educating myself accordingly. It does really suck sometimes to go back to an empty flat and go to sleep in a cold bed. But then I remind myself of my newfound purpose and it helps me stay emotionally centered.
/r/seduction10/06/21 02:56 PM
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I'm probably not going to make a lot of friends by saying I don't think this is good advice, at least not for everyone. You can pretend rejection doesn't matter, but in reality continous rejection can have a profound impact on your psyche and your body. It has been scientifically proven that continous negative feedback has a negative effect not only on the results of subsequent attempts, but also causes testosterone levels to drop. Not to mention what it does to a mans mental health. I learned t…
/r/seduction10/06/21 12:43 PM
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"Hey, wanna bang?"
/r/seduction09/06/21 10:11 AM
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Ok I will try, thanks
/r/seduction08/06/21 02:23 AM
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Well, I always thought unexpected pregnancies aren't that big a deal, cuz modern anticonception has an almost astronomically low chance of failure when applied correctly. But I guess women might think about it differently. Or even subconsciously. I have to say these are not easy tips to apply. I think it is quite difficult to display the qualities of a "good, interesting, respectful lover", especially when it's the first time you're seeing that person. I'm trying to imagine how to even go about …
/r/seduction07/06/21 04:24 PM
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That actually makes sense. I have to say I never thought about it this way This is very much out of topic, but how can a man work around these "barriers"? I'm not gonna lie, I've never been any good with women and this new perspective caught my interest.
/r/seduction07/06/21 10:19 AM
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I don't understand why you see it fitting to turn this discussion into a personal attack on me. I never said I blame women for anything. I only ever blame myself and I fully accept that the problem is with myself. I blame myself a lot, actually. I did not say women don't want sex. I know they do. I do not know whether or not women actually get horny as often as men but they do seem to display a lesser drive for sex. In other words, even if they get horny they are less likely to act on it and see…
/r/seduction06/06/21 07:51 PM
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Any way you want to frame it; whether this effect is purely biological or not changes nothing about what you call "current sexual behavior". I do not care so much about where it comes from but rather that it's true. Men display a higher, more spontaneous drive for sex than women - this is the reality of the "current sexual behavior" and nothing else matters.
/r/seduction06/06/21 01:40 PM
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https://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-drive-how-do-men-women-compare So since there's about the same number of women and men in the world and men have a higher sex drive then by the rules of supply and demand it follows that some substantial percentage of men will not have their needs fully met most of the time If this is not the case then why is it so that: 2 to 3 times more men watch porn than women in all countries accross the world Almost all men masturbate and more frequently than women Mo…
/r/seduction06/06/21 11:41 AM
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Is it tho?
/r/seduction06/06/21 10:45 AM
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I always thought dating and seduction has to be so much easier for women. Like, us guys are horny all the time. An average man has several times higher drive than the average woman. And most guys never have enough sex to satisfy their needs. So honestly, as long as you take good care of your body and the guy is single I reckon you should have extremely high odds of at least getting him interested in sex
/r/seduction06/06/21 09:25 AM
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I'm actually quite self-conscious about being a forever alone looser which I can't seem to be able to change. But yeah I do try to focus on myself and my professional ambition because what else is there to do? I can't say I'm happy with the way things are in my life. But at least I have some goal in mind that somehow keeps me going
/r/seduction06/05/21 04:04 AM
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Not really advice but I feel ya. I'm still going through the same thing. I don't want to be bitter but I just can't help it. I've experienced too much rejection and I've been mistreated too many times. I feel hopeless and I'm close to accepting that I will forever be alone no matter how much I try to change that Maybe it will help you to know that you're not the only one. And yes, it sometimes does feel like 90% of women are entitled bitches
/r/seduction05/05/21 05:23 PM
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Yes that was in fact a conflict. And you handled the situation in a very dominant manner. There doesn't need to be violence for a conflict to occur. But it forced you to act, didn't it? You couldn't just walk away like nothing happened. You've been challenged and you had to answer. Otherwise you'd be submitting to the attack. Luckily the guys didn't seem ready for someone actually standing up to them. But the guy could easily choose to escalate like "how is that my problem, you fucking cunt? ". …
/r/seduction04/04/21 08:17 AM
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Well a man who is very submissive would probably get uncomfortable and try to escape the situation. Dominance is largely about handling conflict. Allowing others to walk all over you is not dominant, I'm sure of that I'm quite frankly still not 100% sure if I understood you correctly. You have a strange way of wording things. If the message really was "nobody can take away your dominance unless you give it to them" then yeah, I just don't think that's true. As in the example I provided, there's …
/r/seduction03/04/21 04:29 PM
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Yeah but my boss creates conflict non-stop by harshly disciplining his employees. Many dislike him for it. But if he didn't do that he wouldn't be much of a boss
/r/seduction03/04/21 04:16 PM
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What. How do you think most people meet their dates? Though their friends. I go out with my female friends all the time and I'd have 0 problem if someone tried flirting with them
/r/seduction03/04/21 04:11 PM
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I'm not sure if I "dig". Dominance is a relation between two people, it belongs to neither of them. Both sides can destroy or establish such relation by changing the power dynamic. Domination can be both gifted (if the other side wants to submit) or taken (if the other side is forced to submit) Feeling dominant has nothing to do with actually being dominant. I guess if you like the girl then yes, she does have some power over you. However it's up to you to decide if you want to submit and to wha…
/r/seduction03/04/21 02:26 PM
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Not really. I probably can't just walk up to a girl I like and tell her to “Get on all fours and put her ass in the air.”. Nobody ever said anything about using violence
/r/seduction03/04/21 10:30 AM
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Yet somehow I don't feel like I'm an Alpha and I certainly don't have the kind of attention from women that kind of status should entail
/r/seduction03/04/21 10:18 AM
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Well my current goal is to earn money for my education in art and digital art. I have no other goal currently, unless you count getting better with women. I'm not met with any conflict at work, I just do my job as best as I can and I get paid what I consider to be a fair salary. I have no enemies and people generally like me. I sometimes argue with my parents but that's about it and it always stays in the family. I literalry can't find a situation in my life where I feel like someone is stepping…
/r/seduction03/04/21 10:03 AM
1

I have a question. What is "something saucy"? It would be difficult for me to come up with "something saucy" in that situation
/r/seduction03/04/21 09:52 AM
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I do understand what you mean but I'm worried that I'm not understood By creating conflict I obviously don't mean looking for a fight or throwing empty insults. I mean something like Stark does. That is an insult but it's told in a joking not-serious way. It's a challenge. A competition. An invitation to a game of wit and a test of composure. He basically says "I bet you can't come up with a witty response to that". See I am not a naturally competitive person so I literalry never do that. Instea…
/r/seduction03/04/21 09:06 AM
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That's great and all, but both James Bond and Gerald the Witcher live in a world where it's hard to find a moment without conflict. My life is the opposite of that, there's so little conflict I'm considering creating some on purpose. So tell me how does James Bond or Gerald of Rivia act dominant when they are with their friends at a bar and everyone is having a great time and nobody tries to take advantage of anybody nor is there any threat of physical violence? Is there even a way to act domina…
/r/seduction03/04/21 07:59 AM
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"Dominance is walking into a room with 5 quiet people and making them engage in a sparkling conversation" Funny you say that because I can actually do that and I have done that on several occassions. The most extreme example is me going to the bar with a friend, there we met like ~10 random people and had a fun conversation, then we all sat down in a large circle in the corner, joking around, telling stories, getting drunk, then ~6 of those people and my friend went with me to go dancing in the …
/r/seduction03/04/21 07:46 AM
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I like how you gave the example of Tony Stark because Stark can be a douche. He constantly belittles others and acts as if everyone around him is inferior. He says to Spiderman unprovoked "So you're this Spider-ling? Crime-fighting spider-boy?". That's an insult if I've ever heard one
/r/seduction03/04/21 07:29 AM
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Well, am I a people-pleaser? I want others to have a fun time and feel good around me and I really enjoy that people almost always like me. I actively try to avoid mean jokes at someone's expense. I prefer to build people up rather than tearing them down. I will usually go to great lengths to help anyone in need so long as it doesn't interfere with my own life too much. There's been weekends when I've been volountarily working with my friend in the workshop to help him finish a big project. I wa…
/r/seduction03/04/21 07:10 AM
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Yeah I really do have 0 conflict in life, and I think this might be because I'm just very well liked. I think people just feel good around me and enjoy my company. Anyone who tried to mess with a person as positive and likeable as me would just look like a total douche and probably induce anger in the people I'm with. Also I never try to force my opinion on others unless I think it's an important matter
/r/seduction03/04/21 06:46 AM
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Uhh, I never said she was his date. I would never do that, why would you even think that? I meant she's like a colleague of his or an acquaintance
/r/seduction03/04/21 06:30 AM
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What if I don't really have any plan but still want to come accross as dominant? There's men who constantly challenge and one-up everyone around them for no reason in particular. Is that dominant?
/r/seduction02/04/21 08:13 PM
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Nah, I just read that dominant men are very attractive to the opposite sex. So of course I want to be more dominant. Nothing more to it
/r/seduction02/04/21 08:07 PM
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Well let's say one of my friends brought with him a cute girl and I wish to attract her by showing that I'm a dominant guy. Leaders create conflict all the time. Look at Trump, half the US hates him. Look at how he treated the people who were against him. Look at Obama's candidacy and how he openly made fun of his opponents. Even Gandhi would actively seek out conflicts where he could show his moral highground. Domination and leadership go hand in hand
/r/seduction02/04/21 08:05 PM
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Does it really? Somehow that doesn't seem right. What if on top of that I was a 100% pushover, am I still dominant then? Even completely submissive pushovers can make plans for the future
/r/seduction02/04/21 07:48 PM
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Could you provide an example of a "true and admirable leader"? Cuz most major leaders are politicians and politicians thrive on conflict. Heck, they create conflict whenever it suits their agenda
/r/seduction02/04/21 07:44 PM
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Ummmh. Okay so let's say I'm with my friends at a bar and everyone is having a great time. What would be the dominant way to act in that scenario?
/r/seduction02/04/21 07:30 PM
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So I am currently earning money for my future education, which I think is an assertive thing to do. Does that make me dominant? I don't think so.
/r/seduction02/04/21 07:21 PM
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Well do let me know when you finally succeed. You can do anything you want including being a creep at the bar if that's your desire.
/r/seduction02/04/21 12:38 PM
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Oh yeah I wonder how many you actually managed to pull from doing that and per how many approaches.
/r/seduction02/04/21 04:16 AM
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Oh sure I'm weird. Going to the bar alone is a decent way of meeting people, I even wrote you should focus on that if you do go out alone But picking up girls by yourself? No. People go to a bar to have fun with their friends. Sometimes to meet new friends. You'll be the only person there desperate enough to go there exclusively to try and get laid. Every one else will be having fun with a friend while you'll be just standing by yourself, awkwardly drinking beer, nervously looking around for a g…
/r/seduction02/04/21 03:50 AM
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You probably won't listen to me but never go to the bar alone to pickup girls. What are you gonna do when you're not approaching? Awkwardly drink beer by yourself? Some girl asks you what you're even doing there, what will you do? That's not confident, that's being tryhard Either go with a friend or stay home. Or if you want to go alone just focus on meeting people and making new friends.
/r/seduction01/04/21 08:03 PM
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I don't have a friend who is doing game. I had a wingman once but I was his mentor and he doesn't do pickup anymore cuz he has a gf. I would gladly pay for a good coach but I don't know where to find one. All the pickup courses I've seen so far seem scammy and expensive.
/r/seduction01/04/21 12:47 PM
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I think it's a rather tacky metaphor
/r/seduction01/04/21 10:21 AM
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Well, yeah I assume attraction because you should always assume attraction. You have to believe you're attractive to be confident. Worst case scenario you'll be wrong and then nothing happens This of course isn't a stiff script. You can divert from it if you need. If I say "Hi. I'm X" and she answers me with "hello X i'm Y nice to meet you" then I'm not just going to continue my script cuz I see she's open to some chatting and I could make some small talk for example. But if she doesn't seem par…
/r/seduction01/04/21 10:16 AM
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"Go see a therapist" If I had a quarter each time someone told me to go see a therapist, I'd have like... 10 bucks I do have a therapist and for quite a while now. He's helped me a lot so far and maybe even saved my life. I also used to take meds. But it's not like going to therapy and taking meds will suddenly make my life worth living. Depression doesn't just go away like that. The therapy has helped me accept some things and believe that change is possibile. But it's up to me to actually make…
/r/seduction01/04/21 04:17 AM
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I wouldn't wear that T-shirt because it's too vulgar, not because it states the obvious. Unless it's at a Rammstein concert, then maybe. When you buy condoms, you basically tell everyone who sees you "I'm looking to get my dick wet". So, you can act all weird and awkward about it, hide the condoms under a magazine, buy some other shit you don't need to make the condoms stand out less... Or you can just put them on the counter. Like a normal person with human needs and desires. When you approach …
/r/seduction31/03/21 01:26 PM
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Then tell me mister how do I make a random girl I just met invest in me? I think her texting me back is some good investment to begin with.
/r/seduction31/03/21 01:14 PM
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Well then I must just be the most unlucky guy ever. I often get the feeling I'm trying way too hard while she usually puts in 0 effort or even seems bothered that I'm taking her time
/r/seduction31/03/21 07:44 AM
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But is it actually a bad thing? I mean I'm cold approaching her on the street or somewhere. I could pretend I don't normally do that and she's just so special, but why would I? Fuck yeah I'm approaching other women, why should I pretend I don't?
/r/seduction31/03/21 07:41 AM
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Are you a girl by any chance? Well what you propose is what I usually did. Compliment her, make small talk, joke around, try to be nice etc That doesn't seem to work that well and is actually quite tiring when you consider you're probably going to have to do this dozens of times
/r/seduction31/03/21 05:00 AM
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Ah, the legendary line. I think it's a tad too demeaning.
/r/seduction31/03/21 04:30 AM
1

"you're not going to gain anything by being with her" I mean, I think I would, and I think it would make me feel much better about myself, but you're right that I probably really should stop caring. So you're saying I don't have to do anything? I mean other than asking her out? I don't even need to joke or escalate? I'm a bit afraid this way most dates will just turn into a boring discussion that leads nowhere. But I will try. I actually think it would be fun to tell her that I don't care about …
/r/seduction30/03/21 06:44 PM
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Too late, I'm already bitter af. I'm so bitter I quit dating completely for 2 years now. And I do give all the fucks when someone agrees to go on a date with me and then doesn't come
/r/seduction30/03/21 05:18 PM
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You're assuming too much. I don't do any special things for anyone, except for approaching her and sometimes(not always) buying her a drink or coffee. If I had to buy dinner for every woman I attempted to date I would be broke right now. I am not showing a fake image, I try to be as forward and honest as I can. I always let her know right off the bat that I like her. I don't hide anything, I don't pretend to be who I am not, I don't brag. I am usually a bit nervous because damn it I'm desperate …
/r/seduction30/03/21 05:10 PM
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Well I really don't know what I'm doing wrong. I think the problem has to be with me but I don't know what it is. I've put more effort into making myself more attractive than any guy I know. And yet I've never even had a gf. I wish someone would tell me what it is. I even asked a bunch of times. Noone I asked could tell me why. I'd actually pay good money if someone could teach me this, but all the courses on pickup seem scammy af
/r/seduction30/03/21 04:17 PM
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What if I told you I had an actual mental breakdown from getting rejected so much? I even had to take meds. Well, it was many things, but the rejections certainly had a major role in what happened. You can say that rejections don't matter, but at some point it all starts having an impact on you. Continous rejections, comming back home by yourself every night, getting ghosted by that girl you thought you had a great time with... At some point your brain says "well, you've had enough. This is exha…
/r/seduction30/03/21 03:20 PM
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I say she was a "dead fish" because she took like 0 initiative, not because she was bad in bed. I'm probably not very good either. But damn it at least I don't hold back . It might not seem like that much of a deal, but when I have to put such enormous effort, approach dozens of women, open myself to rejection and lead at every point of the interaction, I think it's really annoying when she then expects you to do everything in bed as well. Do something, damn it. Anything you want. Push me over a…
/r/seduction30/03/21 01:12 PM
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That's a fine point. I will keep that in mind
/r/seduction30/03/21 10:24 AM
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There's no "better women". It's not like I'm going out of my way to avoid the "good ones".
/r/seduction30/03/21 10:17 AM
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Eh, no matter if it's a cold approach or if I met her through friends or via some group activity like hiking it just never works out. I guess I have to keep trying. I completely gave up dating for like 2 years now. Women are cruel. They treat guys like shit for no reason. Why shouldn't I be cruel? I've been the butt of the joke for way too long. I know I'm bitter. I think I have valid reasons to be. Supplied in plenty by the women who feel oh so superior when I offer to buy them coffee. And I am…
/r/seduction30/03/21 10:14 AM
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They say beggars can't be choosers. I'm definetly not a chooser
/r/seduction30/03/21 07:50 AM
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I pushed myself so hard I ended up having an emotional breakdown and had to take meds. No matter how much you pretend it "doesn't matter" that you get rejected it still leaves an impact on you. Getting rejected dozens of times without any success will cause emotional exhaustion and may lead to a breakdown if you keep pushing. Unless you're a sociopath
/r/seduction30/03/21 07:47 AM
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What do you consider an "excuse"? That I think getting rejected 40 times in a row is unfun or that I'd like my SO to want me back?
/r/seduction30/03/21 04:58 AM
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I am not very good at dating either. Still get rejected left and right. Actually had more success with picking up girls than with dating. At least I did get my 2 ons after like 100 approaches. One of them was even very pretty. With dating I rarely get to the first date and then nothing ever happens. I've never had a gf and I'm 24. Also I have a sacred rule when it comes to relationships: no compromises. I must desire her fully and she must desire me the same way. I'd rather die alone than live w…
/r/seduction29/03/21 07:51 PM
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Yeah and out of those 10% half will not be interested in me and another half just won't for various reasons (like competition). So that means I have to approach 40 times to get a single ons. Sounds not very much fun. Sounds exhausting and painful for not much pay off
/r/seduction29/03/21 07:33 PM
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Ok will try, thanks
/r/seduction29/03/21 07:19 PM
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Nah I don't deceive, I'm quite straightforward about that. It's just that I get rejected so much I don't think it's even worth it in the end. And over time constant rejection takes a toll on your psyche, no matter how much you tell yourself that you don't care. I remember that one time I finally managed to pull a girl from a club. She was nothing special, slightly overwheight, solid 5/10, and in bed she was basically like a dead fish. The next day I leave her place and I'm like "so I had to lear…
/r/seduction29/03/21 07:15 PM
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"Nope you don’t tell her that ‚you are into her’, only that she’s attractive enough for you to ask her for a coffee" Isn't that basically the same thing? I know right off the bat I probably want to sleep with her and I think she knows that too. Even if I don't like her very much as a person, unless she does some huge turn-off I'm probably going to want sex at the very least. I think she knows that
/r/seduction29/03/21 06:34 PM
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Actually how do you make approaching less painful, because I hate approaching maybe even more than going on dates. I always feel like I'm forcing myself on someone who is probably not interested and I am tired of getting rejected over and over. Don't tell me to look for "the signs" cuz I only ever got "the signs" once in my life
/r/seduction29/03/21 06:29 PM
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I am slim and rather muscular. I studied IT at one of the best universities in my country but I dropped out because I was feeling unhappy and I got clinical depression. I don't currently earn a lot of money, I'm mostly trying to get my life back together. I was actually quite good at coding, won 2 coding marathons, but I just decided looking at code all day makes me even more stressed and miserable and I just don't want to do that. I'm also quite good at maths and physics if that counts
/r/seduction29/03/21 06:19 PM
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Ok I'll keep that in mind
/r/seduction29/03/21 05:57 PM
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I'm obviously not buying her a dinner. But preparing for a date requires that I book seats at the cafeteria, prepare my best clothes, groom my whole body the best I can, get a bottle of wine and clean my place just in case, not to mention the emotional effort that goes into cold-approaching someone and asking them out
/r/seduction29/03/21 05:41 PM
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Yeah but I have to be the one who approaches her and offers her a date. So I don't think pretending to be hard to get after I basically tell her I'm into her is going to work. From the very beginning I have to put in a lot more effort than she does
/r/seduction29/03/21 05:34 PM
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Yeah that makes sense. So the next time I put all my effort into organizing a date and she just doesn't come without an explanation I'm gonna be like "no hard feelings, I didn't expect her to come anyway. I just like being treated like shit"
/r/seduction29/03/21 05:31 PM
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I attract absolutely noone. Does that mean I'm noone? Do I even exist? What is reality if not an illusion?
/r/seduction26/03/21 03:46 PM
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I don't deny there's something wrong with me. I think there's too many things wrong with me that I don't know how to fix. Believe me I've tried. I had read dozens of self-help books, on seduction or otherwise. I've been going to the gym regularly for 8 years now, at one point 6 times a week . I paid more attention to the way I dressed and looked than any guy I've ever known. I had been cold approaching and getting rejected so much I eventually got an actual mental breakdown resulting in clinical…
/r/seduction13/03/21 11:27 AM
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I might not be a scientist but I am perfectly capable of reading a summary at the end of an article thank you very much.
/r/seduction04/01/21 01:23 AM
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Most blackpill science that I've seen so far can quite easily be discredited imho. But I will check it out regardless
/r/seduction30/12/20 10:34 AM
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Yeah unfortunately forcing myself to go out and meet women has only lead to emotional burnout from countless rejections and being mistreated. This last year I had a mental breakdown in no small part due to forcing myself to keep trying despite absolutely hating it and seeing little to no progress. I was diagnosed with clinical depression and it took me over a year of taking prescriptions and therapy to somewhat recover
/r/seduction29/12/20 12:02 AM
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Got to say it is an interesting read. Maybe not scientifically proven but it did give me something to think about
/r/seduction28/12/20 11:49 PM
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Somehow I've never met a woman who wants to marry a clown
/r/seduction28/12/20 11:47 PM
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Why? Because there's 1 000 000 self-help books and seminars that promise to make you more successful with women - they all provide their own "field reports" and their "sollutions" range from seemingly logical to downright ridiculous like literal mind control. As someone who has never had much success in this field despite trying extremely hard for a very long time I don't even know what to believe anymore. There's conflicting information everywhere and nothing I can try works. At this point I pr…
/r/seduction28/12/20 03:45 PM
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Ok, so how do you actually go about communicating to her that you've got an interesting life?
/r/seduction31/10/19 06:13 PM
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You know this is actually an interesting idea. Women aren't attracted to numbers on ones account or the fact that they're popular, they are attracted to the experiences these resources might provide. So you don't actually have to present them with the resources themselves, you just have to be able to invoke desirable experiences. Which also explains casual sex, because just having sex with their idol is a desirable experience for women in itself
/r/seduction31/10/19 05:34 PM
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Yeah well because male commitment also Has value and if you give it up too easily it looses that value
/r/seduction31/10/19 05:30 PM
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Well both being wealthy and having a high social status enable certain experiences to be had, do you could put it that way. I think it's no coincidence women throw themselves at rockstars, Hollywood actors or popular guys at school
/r/seduction31/10/19 05:21 PM
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You are partialy correct I think. See sex is mostly about ego. Guys want to sleep with pretty girls for an ego boost, girls want to get hit on by hot guys for an ego boost. The problem is that once you approach her you give her the boost on a silver plate. So why would she sleep with you? You have nothing else to offer. Sex is cheap for women to get. Unless you have high status, lots of resources, get other women jealous or she happens to be horny you are useless to her. She gets more ego for re…
/r/seduction16/10/19 10:03 AM
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Yeah I know, but revealing the BB elements might be the hard part. I'm just not used to doing that kind of thing. I've never actually been a "bad boy", in fact I was a nice guy for the majority of my life. The first dozen of times or so I'll probably come across as a weirdo jerk.
/r/seduction16/10/19 06:31 AM
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That's not a fulfilling relationship that nice guys offer her. Yeah the only difference between a fulfilling relationship and a "nice guy" relationship is that the fulfilling relationship is with a guy she considers high-value. If it was a relationship with a hot badboy she had to earn and then "fix him" she would be perfectly happy with that description. Relationships fall in many categories. For instance, a friend with benefits is a casual relationship. Yeah the badboy didn't offer her that ki…
/r/seduction16/10/19 06:27 AM
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Well, what exactly did you do and how many times you tried that? If you overqualify her then yeah she's gonna think you're a jerk. Also if she doesn't find you attractive she's gonna think you're a jerk cuz how dare you qualify her if you're ugly. Also there's not a 100% success ratio approach. I don't know about you but I'm currently getting 10% success ratio with cold approach, so even if this gives 20% it's a huge improvement
/r/seduction16/10/19 02:41 AM
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So you think just because you offer her a "fulfilling" relationship she's gonna throw herself in your arms? Nice guys offer her that all the time. Endless love and loyalty and a pocket full of money IF ONLY she graciously goes to bed with them. No, offering her any kind of relationship out of the door is underselling yourself. You give yourself to her on a silver plate. You show no value. Even if you are high value she may not feel like you are or she's gonna be mega picky with you. In the examp…
/r/seduction16/10/19 02:10 AM
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I do all this. I have a 10% success ratio and I'm burnt out and tired. It's simply not worth the effort I have to put into it. Maybe with a 20-25% success rate. But as it stands it's too much chasing for a hookup
/r/seduction15/10/19 07:06 PM
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My abundance mentality goes like this: "Yeah if she doesn't want me there's other girls. I mean I have like a 10% success ratio so I'm gonna have to expend a lot of time effort and stress to get a doable girl... Yeah this isn't worth it for a hookup really if she doesn't want me I'll just watch some porn and be done with it" When on an interview I have my own criteria. Like "what's the salary", "what are the working conditions", "are there any additional benefits?". When talking to a girl I'm pr…
/r/seduction15/10/19 06:13 PM
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This seems useful
/r/seduction02/09/19 06:17 PM
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I mean, I already do pretty much all of this. I very rarely compliment because just me asking her out is a huge sign of interest on my part. I think I am very confident, maybe extremely so, not because I have a lot of success but because I tried so many times I barely care anymore if she rejects me. I know I have a great life to go back to so it doesn't really matter. I'm also not afraid to be sexual, because again I'm very outcome-independent But the question was how do I make "problems" and "e…
/r/seduction02/09/19 06:15 PM
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But that's just not true. Women can also initiate, they can give signs or straight up approach, they just don't have to most of the time. I never said women are shitty, some are but most are ok. They just have too many options compared to an average guy. I rarely get a yes or a no, most of the time it's "maybe" or "we'll see" that leads nowhere. Because I'm compared to the other 50 guys she could sleep with so maybe I could be her backup #6
/r/seduction02/09/19 04:22 PM
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This is the only answer so far that makes some sense. But how do I make "problems" and "excuses" if I am expected to move things forward? If I don't ask her for her number she probably won't ask for mine, if I don't invite her out she probably won't invite me out. If I just say "bye, was nice to meet you" and leave nothing else will happen, even if she is into me she will assume I'm not interested
/r/seduction02/09/19 03:55 PM
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I do all of the above, I still have to approach and she still is the buyer
/r/seduction02/09/19 02:39 PM
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Ok, so girls can "treat relationships frivolously" and have a "hookup mindset", but if a guy does then he deserves to be lead on and ghosted? You girls are so biased. If a guy doesn't want a girl, it's sad. If a girl doesn't want a guy he just wants sex anyway lol. If a girl leads a guy on its ok, if a guy leads a girl on he's a jerk and it's sad. You lament that guys hit on you, but if they don't you expose your bodies and go to a nightclub to get attention and inflate your ego. You accuse guys…
/r/seduction19/08/19 08:01 AM
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She was leaving to go shopping and then workout, and i didn't have enough physical escalation for a move
/r/seduction19/08/19 07:00 AM
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There were no logistics for a move as she was leaving to go to the gym. I also didn't have sufficient escalation for a move. The hanging out part is i went with her to a grocery store to buy some ice cream(as she was already going shopping). I only asked her twice cuz the first time she just said maybe
/r/seduction19/08/19 06:58 AM
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Hey, thank you. It really sucks to be ghosted like that. Don't ever do that to a guy, it's probably the worst thing you could do to him. I've been rejected dozens of times, it hurts but I got used to it. But this is so much worse. I planned my entire sunday around this, I prepared my best clothes, bought some wine, and now I get to drink that on my own before I have to get up again tomorrow
/r/seduction19/08/19 12:01 AM
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You know, I'm kind of in-between. Because I used to be a hugely romantic person, and I genuinely wanted to meet someone I would fall in love with. So, I was incredibly careful not to come on too strong, and I would never even mention sex, not even allude to it. And then I grew up and I realised that love and relationships don't work like in the movies. If you don't sleep with a girl quick you have a friendzone guarantee. That's just how it works. So I do try to get to sex as soon as possible, be…
/r/seduction18/08/19 11:49 PM
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I was just kidding lol xd I would never do that
/r/seduction18/08/19 11:37 PM
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I don't care about this particular girl (ok, I do, but I can get over it). I do however care that my daygame is absolutely dead for whatever reason. I do sometimes get one night stands when I go to the nightclub, but I don't always feel like going clubbing and even then I'm not swimming in pussy. Im seriously annoyed because im late 22 and I've never had a relationship that lasted more than a week, and the short ones are far too few and far between to even satisfy my physical needs. And it feels…
/r/seduction18/08/19 07:18 PM
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I didn't even say a word. I just kept looking at her the way I already was, and she felt compelled to come back and give me something specific
/r/seduction18/08/19 06:59 PM
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Uhh, that seems very implausible that I would accidentaly send her something like that. I mean, I could also send her a dick pick and then tell her it's for one of the dozen of girls Im screwing, but I don't think that would work
/r/seduction18/08/19 06:42 PM
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I feel like the moment I invite a girl to a date she is like - well, he's too easy now.
/r/seduction18/08/19 06:22 PM
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I know that. But why? What am I doing wrong?
/r/seduction18/08/19 06:18 PM
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I only have her on Facebook, not her number, so i texted her
/r/seduction18/08/19 06:02 PM
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Dude, you have to realize it's OK to be sexual. Women like being hit on by confident, high value men. Even if sometimes they pretend they don't, and even if it doesn't work out in the end, they get a nice ego boost from it. They actually despise men who don't have the balls to be openly sexual. Just don't be a creep. Don't stress out and don't try to please her. Have the mindset of "yes, I like your body. Let's see if you can excite me".
/r/seduction02/08/19 11:10 AM
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See, I'm not nice. Not anymore. I'm actually a bit rude. I pretend to be disinterested in her. I neg her. I pretend to be unimpressed. But it doesn't work. Because if I approached her, that means I am attracted. And she knows it. So that makes me a liar. And even if she doesn't know, the conversation just leads nowhere. I think the answer is to be honest with yourself and her. Don't approach just to score, do it when you really want her. Don't pretend you are not interested. Don't compliment her…
/r/seduction02/08/19 10:43 AM
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Dude, Im 22 and I only ever had sex thrice. Trust me, you're doing fine
/r/seduction12/07/19 01:59 PM
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Out of all the things I think I have confidence in spades. My friends sometimes comment on how confident I am. It's just - I can stare at her face for good 30 seconds or more with no breaks, and she will pretend she doesn't notice, or look once then quickly look away. Twice she just asked me why I'm starring at her. I just can't make eye contact because she never looks back at me. It's not just a stare either, I do my best to tap into my sexuality to look at her with desire
/r/seduction11/07/19 06:10 PM
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When I say 10/10 i think male model/Jared Leto/Chris Hemsworth etc. But here's the thing - they are only 10/10 on the scene. They have a stylist who makes sure they look the absolute best they could. They use subtle make up and other tricks. A 10/10 doesnt really exist, or I've never seen one IRL. I don't think Grey is particularly handsome but women bought it. I know it's a movie but if it wasn't believable it wouldn't have succeeded as much as it did.
/r/seduction14/05/19 10:32 AM
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I don't think that's correct. The friend I mentioned - he's really handsome. He's 1.9m tall, dark curly hair, thick black stubble, really nice face, and he dresses like a rock star. He's my wingman. He's still a virgin and I've never seen girls chasing him. But they often comment on his hair and when asked they always say they think he is very handsome. Maybe he's not 10/10 but he's damn sure at least an 8.
/r/seduction14/05/19 04:40 AM
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Ugh, this cooking bit is horrible. She knows you aren't after her cooking. Unless you mean her hot buns 🙂
/r/seduction14/05/19 03:07 AM
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I almost never declare my intent directly, unless I feel really bold and there's no other way to start up a conversation. I do teasing and leading, in fact I think might have overdone teasing the last time. I'm not often faced with a situation where the girl is anxious or makes a fool out of herself. Like i said it's very convenient. I haven't tried disqualifying myself because - well, I don't know what to disqualify myself on. Or her for that matter. I might try that "I'm a heartbreaker and you…
/r/seduction14/05/19 02:19 AM
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Im not trying to hide the fact that I like her the most, Im just trying to show her that I don't need her in particular. My new philosophy is that I like a lot of women, but I only focus my attention on the ones who like me back and invest. I stole this from my female friend who flirts with everyone who is even remotely attractive, and before you know it guys are swarming in and fighting for her attention and her status shoots through the roof
/r/seduction23/04/19 12:22 PM
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Most advice on the internet is to approach a woman directly with a compliment(i just had to cuz you look sexy), but I think it doesn't work very well and it shows too much interest from the start. It also gets you justifying your approach which instantly puts her on a pedestal On the other side of the spectrum is the indirect approach, but then the conversation is very platonic from the start and its hard to turn things around later on This is something else because you are showing your interest…
/r/seduction23/04/19 11:46 AM
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I used to be a social outcast, very few friends, 0 girls, really awkward to talk to. I used to think there was something wrong with me, with who I was. But then I moved to a new city far away to study, and the few friends I had were left behind. I had noone to talk to. I had depression. After the first semester I wanted to give up, but my parents didn't want to hear about it. At my second semester my grades fell accross the board and I was close to failing my studies. During my third semester I …
/r/seduction21/04/19 06:39 AM
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This is very useful. Thanks!
/r/seduction21/04/19 05:40 AM
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