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In what way do I sound boring? I guess I kinda "settled" in on the LTR... how do I fix this and work my charm?
/r/TheRedPill19/02/15 07:58 AM
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Yes. I agree. Sometimes I just want to be left alone, to get off the grid, so I could focus on LIVING MY FUCKING LIFE. Thanks for your input. Basically I just reply to her texts whenever I feel like it (i.e. when I'm free and alone). That's not enough for her though, but I always hold frame. She told me she spent the entire day, with her friends, at a theme park, and wasn't able to enjoy it because she was checking her phone even on the roller coaster to see if I replied back. It's clear I have …
/r/TheRedPill19/02/15 05:22 AM
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I always have this mentality though. Abundance mentality still exists when I am in a relationship -- I make an effort to still talk to girls, to still talk to people, to still better myself. I'm still growing as a person, and I choose to see my girlfriend as a means of ENHANCING/SUPPLEMENTING my life. I could survive without her, I don't need her.
/r/TheRedPill19/02/15 05:19 AM
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What do you mean A&A away? I wanted to work lol.
/r/TheRedPill19/02/15 01:52 AM
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Obviously I could draw the difference. When it's playful I shrug it off and A&A, but whenever it's serious and personal I tell them straight up that I will not accept it.
/r/TheRedPill19/02/15 01:43 AM
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Do you mind elaborating on that control panel analogy? I'm not sure I follow.
/r/TheRedPill19/02/15 01:42 AM
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Not really sure what you mean, but I simply don't like being called those names. Depends on the tone, if they mean it seriously then I tell them that I will not accept this behaviour like a teacher to a student or a dad to his daughter.
/r/TheRedPill19/02/15 01:42 AM
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But if she keeps pouty the entire day, stand your ground. Don't be manipulated. I'm not manipulated. But at one point, I did comfort her and in the end I gave up because she WAS pouty the entire day and continuously whining. I just decided to give up on trying to cheer her up and gave her closed body language. She's trying hard to make you her bitch. Do you have the proper frame where you don't do other things when you're focusing on one thing? As in not texting while you're out? Be firm here. I…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/15 10:50 AM
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I don't really understand your analogy. It's not necessarily that I'm insecure -- I doubt that I show that. But whenever they call me a douchebag/asshole, I make it VERY CLEAR that it's unacceptable behavior. Sometimes I'd offer an explanation that the word means more to me than just "Asshole/douchebag". Realistically, I simply don't like this word because whenever I hear it, it makes it sound like being a TRP man is going to make me selfish or pretentious, when really it's just making me a bett…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/15 10:18 AM
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Yes, I acknowledge this, and I always do the carrot-and-stick thing on girls. Whenever they're in a good mood and do something worthy, I naturally reward them by being more touchy, flirtatious, and affectionate. Whenever they're in a bad mood (closed body language, not smiling) or do something unworthy (calling me an asshole, trying to start an argument, or treating me like her boytoy), I immediately close off all kino, and go as far as to walk in front of her, ignoring her and expecting her to …
/r/TheRedPill18/02/15 10:13 AM
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The thing is, I don't. I used to be a bully -- that's why the word bugs me. That was the word that triggered me into a downward spiral of depression, where I thought I hurt people, where I cut all ties with close friends to hurt less people (thinking that solves the problem), where I became a fat slob with no direction in life, that doesn't go after what he wants, etc. Now, I recovered from depression, I value myself and my time, and while I don't treat women like objects, I'm also naturally not…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/15 08:50 AM
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Thanks. I thought so too, but at the same time, I felt like it's important to have boundaries on what sort of behavior to accept. It's hard to draw a line. I still feel like douchebag/asshole is something that should never be said to me, and I make an effort to assert that.
/r/TheRedPill18/02/15 08:48 AM
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See, that's a problem. Where do you draw the line between maintaining a strong frame, and taking something too seriously? To me, the word "asshole" and "douchebag" kinda brings up bad childhood memories, so I never hear it. I make it clear to all my girls that they should never say it, and when they accidentally do, I demand an apology or punish them. I don't get reactive, but I do make it absolutely clear that I will not tolerate that behavior. Is that taking it too far?
/r/TheRedPill18/02/15 08:47 AM
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Yeah, I always keep frame. That pisses a lot of girls, as they rarely get what they want (time, attention). Some girls are positive, in that they see it more as a reason/purpose to spend time with me. Other girls are very negative, in that even when I make an effort to meet up with them, they're just sad, depressed, and cry because I don't spend enough time with them. It seems like no matter what I say to console them, it doesn't work. So at one point I just stopped trying and to them it makes m…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/15 08:44 AM
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How do you practice TRP in LTRs? Any links
/r/TheRedPill15/02/15 12:15 AM
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Haha, maybe you misunderstood. I'm not waiting for anything. I take my chances and I say things to her that'd make a whore blush. I degrade her. I enjoy it. She enjoys it. It works out! :)
/r/TheRedPill10/02/15 02:09 AM
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Agreed. Current plate that I'm spinning wants me to "Go all Christian Gray" on her. I like it rough, so it works out.
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 11:49 PM
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Thanks for the distinction. I understand. Basically it's a balance between persistence (dominance) and comfort (emotion). I just read Sex God Method and I'm trying to piece this all together.
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 11:38 PM
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In that case, I have achieved both persistence and comfort with my current plate. I persisted (ignored her LMRs and excuses of PDA, and fingered her in the public park), and when we got to her place, she was comfortable enough to tell me she liked it rough and she was a kinky little slut. How does one build up that comfort? I can't really pinpoint exactly what I did -- other than isolating her. In a situation where you can't isolate her, how could one build comfort and reassurance? I feel like i…
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 11:43 AM
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Persistence and comfort. Yes! Any ways/strategies to persist comfortably?
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 03:28 AM
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I don't take it personally. Any ways I could improve, though?
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 12:30 AM
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Thanks. Very detailed answer! What I basically said was "well, I guess I'll have to feed my protein to someone else", and she was like "NO!". That falls under the invoked preselection I believe. :) The point is to remind her that she's fungible, you're desirable, and you are aware of your own worth. Words of wisdom. Will remember this. I think specific to my situation, what you said might be an exaggeration (completely ignoring her). She's definitely willing to have sex with me, but a matter of …
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 12:28 AM
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Thanks. This is the type of answer I was looking for. Very insightful I must say. She is a really dirty and horny girl in bed (asks me to call her names, be rough, spank her and pull her hair, twist her nipples until they're bruised, etc). But on the outside, when we're hanging out in the mall/park, she's more hesitant. I still grope her boobs discretely, finger her in the park, and spank her ass in public (she tells me to "stop" but smiles every time and comes closer). I'm quite nonjudgemental …
/r/TheRedPill09/02/15 12:22 AM
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Okay. Any materials I should read (i've went through the sidebar already) to internalize TRP? Also, to me, it doesn't make sense "dread" a girl if she resists sex from you, especially if she's doing it in a playful/teasing way, or if she's simply insecure with her sexuality in public... I reserve "dreads" to things she does if she really pissed me off and goes against my boundaries.
/r/TheRedPill08/02/15 10:37 AM
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Sure. Her most likely response would be like "oh so you just use girls for sex?", or something to that nature to sex-shame me. Doesn't really solve the problem. She knows I'm a sexually-forward person already.
/r/TheRedPill08/02/15 09:47 AM
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Very insightful. This is actually good advice. Game face when you're out. Hustle when you're in. So people think you just get what you want effortlessly, since you never complain, whine, about how busy you are. You project positivity and confidence.
/r/TheRedPill07/02/15 01:37 AM
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I agree with this. For me, it's because fear that my parents might judge me.
/r/seduction06/02/15 03:51 PM
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Amen to this. I came from /r/seduction, and this applies there as well. I've been so caught on improving my skill with women (the game), and critically and brutally judge and analyze myself, because I was determined to improve. When the other day, I had an epiphany that when YOU'RE having fun, when you're IN the moment, that's when you get in the zone, that's when you get the best positive reactions. It's easy to forget this sometimes. Sure, we're all here for self-improvement, and judging/analy…
/r/TheRedPill06/02/15 07:41 AM
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Funny story. I treat my girlfriend like a dog (whistle for her to get here, give her polite orders to test her compliance, and make sounds that I generally do to my dog). She doesn't like it, and has confronted me about it. I just shrugged it off, didn't get defensive, and was like "Sure" and stopped doing it anymore. Didn't give her the benefit of me arguing with her, cuz that's what girls want: drama. Now I just tackle her.
/r/TheRedPill05/02/15 08:48 AM
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Ahh, but most of the clinginess is through texting. Hence I can't really do gestures and all that. That drama thing is quite insightful. Be the supplier instead. Thing is it always feels awkward when I do it -- like "oh my god are you checking that guy out" seems unnatural for me to say. Could you give me a few more examples?
/r/TheRedPill04/02/15 12:16 AM
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Problem is once you respond to one... you gotta respond to everything else.
/r/TheRedPill02/02/15 11:24 PM
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Is she loyal? Does she meet your needs, without you having to say anything but rather because she wants to? Do you trust her? Do you guys have amazing sex? I don't know, but I have no reason to believe otherwise. Yes she meets my needs, and does things for me. I have no reason not to trust her. Sex is not amazing, but we're both inexperienced and her enthusiasm and eagerness to improve chalks her up a few points. She is a worthy partner. My only gripe is that she is very negative. She realizes a…
/r/TheRedPill02/02/15 07:55 AM
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Trust me, I know that. I know for a fact that if I did what she wanted -- gave her more attention and time at my own expense -- that it'd turn out for the worse. But what should I do in this situation? It's fine making a girl hungry and crave more, but when she's being negative it really draws the fun out of everything. The only reason I haven't nexted her is because I've seen her when she's positive, and I know she has the potential to be positive... She just chooses to play the negative card o…
/r/TheRedPill02/02/15 05:27 AM
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How do you suggest I do this
/r/TheRedPill02/02/15 02:08 AM
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Thanks. Just not extreme interest like she is. Also I think there should be a clear line -- otherwise I'll be nexting every single girl and would use that as an excuse to never leave my comfort zone.
/r/TheRedPill02/02/15 02:07 AM
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That's a frame I already have, however, I believe I should assert it more often to remind girls. Any you and her time is 100% you and her time and both of you don't send texts, read emails and the like during it. I told her to get off her phone whenever we're out. She usually gives me a reason and apologizes afterward, but sometimes she just takes it out perhaps instinctively. How do I assert myself and make it clear that phones are off-bounds?
/r/TheRedPill02/02/15 12:57 AM
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Are there any guides on LTR game?
/r/TheRedPill02/02/15 12:22 AM
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My girl ain't a fan of PDA. The most I've done with her is finger her and take her bra off while at a park at night...
/r/seduction01/02/15 11:42 PM
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Were all these places isolated?
/r/seduction01/02/15 02:45 PM
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I always thought that sex was vital to make them more invested in you. I have a girlfriend for the past two weeks and we still haven't had sex because of a matter of logistics (both live with our parents). And I could already feel the attraction dwindling sometimes -- she'd miss me a lot and all. I continue to try and escalate but she's not a fan of PDA, and it's hard to find an isolated place around the city. I feel the need, much like OP, to F-close ASAP. But like OP there are factors that are…
/r/seduction26/01/15 04:28 PM
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That's good advice. I've watched this video on how to eat pussy lol. That kinda reassured me too.
/r/seduction26/01/15 02:43 PM
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Asian parents brah. Also, what if I keep changing girls every once in a while?
/r/seduction25/01/15 04:17 PM
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Oh yeah, that's a good point. Picnic it is then, especially in winter!
/r/seduction25/01/15 02:49 PM
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Dude. These are the ideas I wanted. The picnic sounds awesome -- especially when accompanied with a hike! :) Camping is also awesome!
/r/seduction25/01/15 11:25 AM
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Yeah. I agree with this. Thanks!
/r/seduction25/01/15 08:39 AM
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thinking for two now That sounds like a marriage proposal, I'm only nineteen. Sure I still think about her, but to me she is just another female, that just so happens to be in a committed relationship with me.
/r/seduction25/01/15 12:34 AM
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relationship management is in itself a big skill that'll teach you a lot. That's a great point. Is there a subreddit for this or a seddit post on this? I'd love to learn more. the right attitude going into this relationship - you still want to improve Yeah I know! I don't want to make that mistake of being that fat dad with no hobbies after being settled into a relationship.
/r/seduction25/01/15 12:33 AM
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Haha, I have much to learn, from this community and from life itself! But yeah I think I've been through a huge transformation condensed within one year. People don't recognize me anymore because of my change in style, physical appearance, etc. I understand that you meant it as a sarcastic remark, but I still have much to learn!
/r/seduction25/01/15 12:30 AM
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I'm okay with that. Just nothing past or including first base.
/r/seduction25/01/15 12:28 AM
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The way that helped me is to see it as a positive thing. To turn it into a positive thing. Instead of saying things like I'm scared it might not work out, be grateful that it happened. And also just try to live in the moment instead of worrying about what might happen in the future. That really really helped me. And I think this shift in mindset also makes the relationship more enjoyable to me, and thus her.
/r/seduction25/01/15 12:27 AM
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Thanks. I like this answer. Thankfully, she realizes that I'm a busy man and is very self-aware when she is clingy, or when she texts me too much (she says things like "okay I won't distract you" and understands that I'm busy when I say "ttyl"). We meet like two or three times a week, which is pretty good tbh. I just wonder how long it'll last, but for now I'll stay in the present moment.
/r/seduction25/01/15 12:25 AM
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I think she knows I'm joking. I still want to talk to other girls in a casual,flirtatious manner, I'm not going to sleep with any of them or make a move on any of them, though. I'll tell her this.
/r/seduction24/01/15 01:23 PM
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I think she assumes and is okay that I flirt with other women. She loves my cocky humor and I say things like "no girl could resist my charm, even some guys do" and stupid shit like that. If she's not okay with that then our relationship simply won't work.
/r/seduction24/01/15 01:04 PM
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Yeah. I think it'll teach me a lot and take me out of my comfort zone. I also like her so it works out. It's not a "project", but rather a "new element to my life". Much better than occupying my time with video games anyway! While I do value her, I put other things, especially my goals, before her (studies, gymming, etc etc). I try to minimize texting and spend most of my time hanging out with her face-to-face as it's personally more fun for me. I plan to talk to more girls, yes, but I'm not gon…
/r/seduction24/01/15 11:52 AM
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Yeah we're just dating. She doesn't want me to cheat on her, obviously, and I won't, but I am not gonna let that refrain me from talking to or expressing myself with other girls, as long as no sex is involved.
/r/seduction24/01/15 10:27 AM
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She's enhancing my life definitely, but not to the point where if she leaves my life I'd crumble, I'll just find another. She's my first, and I find her personality very attractive. She's not physically HOT but her personality strikes her up a few spots. Unlike most guys, I actually don't really value looks THAT much.
/r/seduction24/01/15 08:46 AM
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I don't think I've fallen for her, but I am progressing in terms of the relationship so THAT'S the reason I'm with her for now. At the same time, though, I want to be progressing in other areas of my life, especially socially (i.e. in school, with friends, meeting/escalating with more women). I think I could do both simultaneously -- if anything, the positive reinforcement would help. I just gotta keep pushing myself!
/r/seduction24/01/15 08:20 AM
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She's not that hot... I don't have a scarcity mindset lmao. You're overreacting. IDGAF if she leaves my life, I might feel a bit sad but my life would just go on. Have you been reading my post? I'm very self-aware, and I know that SHE isn't dragging me down. Rather, in some ways, I'm letting her drag me down by THINKING that she would. Does this make sense? It's an internal mindset problem. I've found the cure that basically I should just ENJOY and be HAPPY that I'm in a relationship. Turn this …
/r/seduction24/01/15 08:14 AM
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Oh don't worry, I'm not letting this bother me, just wondering what other smooth lines you guys have, for reference! "I'd rather show you" is a good line.
/r/seduction24/01/15 06:08 AM
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Interested but not overpowering, and giving her the sense that she's in control. Got it. Though doesn't the idea of giving her more control go against the idea that every alpha male should be leading? Where to draw the balance?
/r/seduction22/01/15 11:37 AM
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She's 18, I'm 19. We live in a sexually-oppressed Asian culture so that's worth mentioning. Yeah, I do know the answer to that, by not taking it seriously. I usually just get too stage-freight by the situation and hence can't formulate a cocky response. Having a feel canned lines here would definitely help me here! Also, was wondering what to do when a girl texts you that she's having a bad day? Do I listen/solve to her problems (i.e. Nice guy, risk of getting friendzoned)? This is what happened…
/r/seduction22/01/15 11:36 AM
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I want a relationship where sexuality is comfortably expressed both verbally and physically. I know she's attracted to me. She's very receptive and honestly, the problem is not HER, but rather me. I have no problem expressing my sexuality physically (kino escalation), but whenever she, or any other girl, tries to tease me like "all guys think about sex" or "you just want to get in my pants"... I'm at a loss for words. I guess what I'm asking for is how to deal in situations like these. Normally …
/r/seduction22/01/15 05:36 AM
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That's reassuring! But I'm still cautious when expressing my sexuality. I usually DGAF and say some really sexual remarks just to entertain myself, but whenever a woman opens up to me about how she had been mistreated by guys in the past, or when she tells me things like "all guys think about is sex" or "all guys want to do is get in my pants", it's like my sexuality sudden shuts down -- I get turned off. What's a good response to when they do this?
/r/seduction22/01/15 05:32 AM
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YES. Thanks. But I'm still cautious when expressing my sexuality. I usually DGAF and say some really sexual remarks just to entertain myself, but whenever a woman opens up to me about how she had been mistreated by guys in the past, or when she tells me things like "all guys think about is sex" or "all guys want to do is get in my pants", it's like my sexuality sudden shuts down -- I get turned off. What's a good response to when they do this?
/r/seduction22/01/15 05:32 AM
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Thanks. So basically, what women are saying is that it's completely natural for guys to be sexual, and that thinking/acting sexually is completely fine. The only problem is if the guy is direspectful about it, which is not what I intend to do. It's hard to get it through my mind because a lot of girls shame guys on thinking about sex, or wanting to get into their pants... and it frustrates me because well, I'm a sexual person -- a man that embraces his sexuality! Whenever a girl tries to shame m…
/r/seduction22/01/15 05:28 AM
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I don't have a car. I feel like the logistics are fucking horrible in my city... The best plan is to wait for an entire month before fucking the girl -- because that's when my parents are out of town and I have the house to myself. Any pointers in the mean time? What to do for the entire month before actually fucking her? I realise you should fuck her ASAP
/r/seduction21/01/15 12:25 AM
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Thanks for the advice. Yes I do want to have sex (I'm still a virgin, so I figured, why not, I've got nothing to lose). Thanks for the reminder, I'll make sure to not commit too much of my time and energy unless it's used to progress sexually (escalation). I've made the mistake on going out with her on a short coffee date just to talk, and paying for her dinner a while back. I'm also nineteen, so I guess I'm pretty young. The fact that I'm a virgin and have never been in a relationship also make…
/r/seduction20/01/15 10:55 AM
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Why do you say that? I may be having oneitis, but this girl has quite a lot in common with me, plus the fact that she's my FIRST makes me want to see how far I could take things...
/r/seduction20/01/15 10:39 AM
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That's true. We're both nineteen. I'm inexperienced but she has sexed two guys and dated four. She's quite forward in that she put her legs over mine, nudges me, puts her head on my body, etc. I just don't know how to escalate farther, especially since we don't have a place in mind to fuck. Is it okay to escalate to second or third base in public areas, even if I have no intention of F-closing that day?
/r/seduction19/01/15 01:29 PM
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I've never been in a relationship before so I'm not really sure what to want/look for. I also have very high expectations so ultimately I'll probably have to compromise. What I want is a low-commitment relationship, which she agrees (i only need to meet her once a week). I also want sex ... but logistics makes that impossible for both of us because we live with our parents. It's like, after I escalate and go past third base, where do we go to fuck? There's no place.
/r/seduction19/01/15 12:46 PM
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Thing is, this is my FIRST ever relationship, so frankly, I don't really know what I want. But I feel like every date there should be a goal/milestone to aim for, it makes it so at least I'm making progress instead of stagnating -- which is what I felt for the past two dates, where I'd just meet the girl and talk and not really progress physically. Here's what I think I want: Sex (logistics aren't in my favor though) Get to third base Frankly, I've been on four dates with this girl and I'm alrea…
/r/seduction19/01/15 12:25 PM
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Her reason is because she felt guys used her for sex then left
/r/seduction17/01/15 06:53 AM
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That's what everyone says -- to think about how I treat my guy friends -- but i "flirt" with them jokingly all the time. Like fake smooches, or wink at them, or slap them in the ass...
/r/seduction16/01/15 03:55 AM
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Just have them as close friends that I can still flirt with and be physical with comfortably without feeling awkward (hugs and playful slaps on the ass for fun). Nothing too sexual though.
/r/seduction15/01/15 03:47 PM
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But I'm usually a charming lad. Even with my guy friends I'm flirty (I joke around how I'd turn gay for them -- cuz I'm a "sexual predator"), and touchy (hug aggressively)
/r/seduction15/01/15 03:43 PM
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Ah. I thought it was something I should do since its on the kino escalation list and NOT the IOIs list. Yeah I was definitely overthinking the past few days, it's quite ridiculous how clear my head is now though compared to before (what I did was just ignore the girl for a few days).
/r/seduction13/01/15 09:05 AM
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Yeah. I still get called a douchebag even if I smile though :(. Still, the girl is clearly attracted to me even when she calls me a douche
/r/seduction13/01/15 06:24 AM
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For me, I think my text game could be solid, HOWEVER, because of this I often text the girl WAY TOO MUCH. I always end the conversation on my own terms (i.e. I'm busy ttyl), but STILL I text her way too much and give her too much validation/time through my texts. I'd say limit to maybe one or two conversations per day on texting the girl. Don't spend more than 30 minutes texting the girl, per day. That's something I've learnt.
/r/seduction12/01/15 12:35 PM
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I'm new to this. I think this would be an awesome and fun way to practice.
/r/seduction12/01/15 12:33 PM
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Haha yes. I indeed overthink this shit. I think it's part of my Type A personality to be overly analytical and hard on myself, to strive for perfection, when sometimes I should just take a step back, breathe, and accept the small incremental progress that I'm making! (which is what I did today, to clear my head) I do focus on having a genuine moment with her, but sometimes there's just no connection and it's partly my fault for not escalating as aggressively as I could've, hence getting me put i…
/r/seduction12/01/15 12:32 PM
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Okay. Assume attraction until she gives me a reason not to. This might just be me, but I've already brought her to coffee/park for the past two dates. Would it be weird if we did the same thing for date three, except this time I will escalate fast and aggressively, and bring her to sex location. It feels repetitive but I can't imagine a better isolated spot. If she at any point raised the friend zone thing again, I'll tell her straight up I have enough friends already, and leave her if that's wh…
/r/seduction12/01/15 12:05 PM
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After the second date, you are so fucking right. I guess it's because I have never kissed a girl before -- so this was a big deal to me. But apparently, it's not a big deal. Apparently, she could still friendzone me after kissing her. Apparently, a kiss alone is not enough to show intent. I'm gonna escalate more aggressively, at least making out with her and fucking her next time I meet her.
/r/seduction12/01/15 03:03 AM
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I think I understand. I need to lead physically and conversationally, while she is just there to fill in the gaps -- she's just here for the ride, I'm the driver.
/r/seduction11/01/15 11:41 PM
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Ok. Yeah I think asking this subreddit really fucked up my frame. It's clear that she's still interested. So I'll capitalise on the third date and escalate and fuck her. Any LMR I'll say "okay" and agree to but keep escalating. If she throws the friend card then I'll just leave and walk away, never seeing her again.
/r/seduction11/01/15 11:39 PM
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Yep gotcha. I'll kiss and fuck her next date.
/r/seduction11/01/15 07:05 PM
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How to ask her directly or indirectly? Wouldn't it be more dominant and assertive to tell her what I want
/r/seduction11/01/15 07:04 PM
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How do I know which one. I also stalked her Instagram and apparently she MAY have a "new boyfriend".
/r/seduction11/01/15 02:44 PM
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She's willing, yes. I'll escalate aggressively next time and fuck her. If I fail to fuck her I'm dropping her.
/r/seduction11/01/15 01:22 PM
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Okay. How direct should I be through text. "Look, I'm not gonna play games with you. I'm not looking for a friend, so if you're looking for something more, you know where to find me".
/r/seduction11/01/15 12:50 PM
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Should I be clear where I stand with her then. Let her know I'm here to fuck her. Nothing else. Not friendship.
/r/seduction11/01/15 12:06 PM
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That's what I thought. I may be biased but thats they mentality I had. Now I don't know what to do... I sent her a text asking when she's off her period, she answered Tuesday, and asked "why did u ask?"
/r/seduction11/01/15 11:23 AM
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Wow fuck. I really messed up then. Now what the fuck do I do
/r/seduction11/01/15 11:21 AM
1

Well, fuck. In that case, what do I do now. She's still texting me, she still is open to meeting up again. Next?
/r/seduction11/01/15 10:56 AM
1

Yeah. Okay. Thanks. How do you recommend I do that -- to live in the moment?
/r/seduction11/01/15 10:55 AM
1

So I grab her legs and put them over mine?
/r/seduction11/01/15 10:54 AM
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So what's my next course of action? I sent her a text asking her when she's off her period, she answers and says "why do you ask?". I haven't replied yet ... but I'm thinking something along the lines of "because I don't want a bloody dick". can't get more direct than that right? I intend to fuck the girl on the third date. But there's a few things I will focus on this time (i) escalate aggressively and without shame, even when we're not isolated (ii) make it clear we're not gonna be friends. If…
/r/seduction11/01/15 10:14 AM
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Could you draw it out. I'm willing and I intend to try it, but I don't know how it works. I'm imagining this. Me sitting on the left, her on the right. I put my right leg in between her legs, and overlap her left leg. Like that?
/r/seduction11/01/15 09:48 AM
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Thanks for your answer. Yeah I do realize I'm young and dumb (again she's the first girl I've even dated) -- it's why I'm consulting advice from this subreddit. She is a more experienced than I am (dated more guys, had sex already). The thing is I live in one of the most population-dense cities in the world. I don't think there's a mini-golf course where I live, iceskating is filled with people. Though I want to hear more suggestions from you on where to take girls on a date that will enable an …
/r/seduction11/01/15 09:43 AM
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Okay. Hotel rooms it is. This is the first girl I've dated (I'm nineteen), so I've never made it this far to even consider hotel rooms. I see what you mean by direct. But now, in my position, what should I do. Should I send her a direct text and say "where do you see this relationship going? I don't want to waste any of our time". What do you mean her approval first? Do I simply ask her if she wants to have sex -- cuz I know she'll tease me around for that and play hard to get.
/r/seduction11/01/15 09:20 AM
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Thing is, we're still young (I'm 19 and she's 18), but okay I won't let that be an excuse. She's also the first girl I've ever dated, so I treat this more as a learning experience. Yeah I realize the main problem is escalation right now. She was on her period so I didn't really have any intention to fuck her that night, and I guess that conveyed a lack of sexual interest on my part to her. We also don't have a place to fuck. We both live with our parents and we're in a city where it's very hard …
/r/seduction11/01/15 09:17 AM
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Very well then. What should I do now? She's still texting me, she still wants to meet up, her period ends next week, she'll be horny for me. You raise an interesting idea, where I only build rapport but no attraction. How do I raise attraction? I think I know the answer already though: kino. There's also a few things working against me logistics wise. (i) we both live with our parents (ii) she is on her period. How would you approach this situation if you had no intention to fuck her on the same…
/r/seduction11/01/15 09:14 AM
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Yeah, I felt like that would be a better response. This is what I'd do next time. However, I felt like we weren't really isolated so I wasn't comfortable doing that -- I guess it's something I should overcome. How does one makeout with a girl in an non-isolated area. We live in the fucking city and there's people everywhere. I felt like it was awkward to be standing alone, in the center of the park, with other people/children around us, making out. Is this simply a limiting belief, or is there a…
/r/seduction11/01/15 09:11 AM
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In that case, I know what I did wrong: I needed to escalate farther. I must ask, if a girl, on her period, asks you out on a date, how would you approach the situation. (i) would you go on the date in the first place knowing that you can't fuck her? (ii) how far would you escalate things knowing that you can't fuck her?
/r/seduction11/01/15 09:09 AM
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I honestly can't imagine how I could be even more direct. I went for the kiss. I guide her by the waist when walking. I flirt with her and she flirts back. I even paid for her fucking dinner. As far as how she responds, she's still receptive, she said she only teases guys that she likes, like me. etc etc. She definitely knows I'm interested, which is why I thought it was a shit test to show me that I should be more aggressive. I plan to escalate aggressively the next time I see her, but I don't …
/r/seduction11/01/15 09:08 AM
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I just don't understand how it works. Is there a video on this? It feels like an anatomically uncomfortable position
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:40 AM
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She called me a friend after I've kissed her. Again, she said it subtly so I thought I responded quite well. A beta would just pretend to not hear it. But I thought I stood my ground, showed my intent "you and I aren't gonna be friends" like a man. I even paid for her dinner afterwards goddamnit. I'm really surprised when you guys say I failed the test. :(
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:38 AM
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Yeah... again, I live in a huge city, so sex locations are horrible logistics-wise for me.
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:32 AM
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Ah. Thanks for your input. I guess, I was a bit tired that day, I told her so as well. But if she's genuinely not interested, why would she still be texting me or wanting to go on another date?
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:31 AM
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Okay, the reason I didn't do this was because she was on her period and I've read that you should only go for the makeout if you have plans to fuck her on that day.
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:30 AM
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Wow I'm really surprised I'm getting these downvotes. I genuinely thought I handled the situation quite well. She told me she likes me. She's texting me still. She wants to meet up again, in private, still. Why else would she be doing this if she thinks I'm not interested? Especially after I've escalated to a kiss with her?
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:28 AM
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So you're saying I did the right thing? I feel like I've done everything right so far. I might be escalating slower than some professional PUAs, but everything I've done has been by-the-book. There's NO POSSIBLE WAY she could think that I'm interested in being just friends -- it's what she's saying but it's impossible that she's genuinely thinking that (she's texting me still, she's receptive for my kiss, etc etc).
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:26 AM
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I intend to ignore her if I don't at least get to second base with her on the third date. There's a few logistical factors that are working against my favor on this date: We both live with our parents. Where do I bring her to fuck her? She was on her period that day. I shouldn't have even gone on the date with her (a waste of my time since I felt like I can't escalate too far up the ladder if I couldn't fuck her). We live in a city. There's people everywhere, even in the park I brought her. Henc…
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:22 AM
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I don't get how it sounds shitty, I guess in my head when I play out that line I'm using a cocky/challenging tone. Perhaps you could give me a better thing to say?
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:21 AM
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I'm nineteen years old. There's a few logistical factors that are working against my favor, and I don't necessarily think they're "limiting beliefs" We both live with our parents. Where do I bring her to fuck her? She was on her period that day. I shouldn't have even gone on the date with her (a waste of my time since I felt like I can't escalate too far up the ladder if I couldn't fuck her). We live in a city. There's people everywhere, even in the park I brought her. Hence it's hard to isolate…
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:19 AM
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I don't think I FUCKED UP big time. You guys are honestly making it sound like I messed up on the date, when it's honestly just a small hiccup, no big deal. She's still texting me. She still wants to see me. She's still interested. I have her hooked still. I agree though, I should escalate faster next time, I simply find it difficult to escalate when we are not in an isolated environment (I live in a city, it's hard to find a place that's isolated), and waiting for the opportunity to isolate her…
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:17 AM
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I thought "You and I are not gonna be friends" was even more clear to show my intent. You might be overanalyzing a bit, but for what it's worth, I do agree with you. That's the new line I will use from now on. I believe after I said that, she asked "well then what do you want to be?" and I said "I don't know" -- which is bad since it's not firm. Yeah I was out of state last night. I'll think before I talk about sensitive topics like this next time. And think LESS (i.e. IDGAF) when it's just casu…
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:16 AM
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I kinda was emotionally invested in the second date. Main reason being that I was a bit tired and out of state.
/r/seduction11/01/15 08:13 AM
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I don't understand how this works though. It doesn't make sense anatomically to me. We're sitting next to each other on a bench -- how do you make her leg go over yours?
/r/seduction11/01/15 05:36 AM
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So something like "is this what we are, just friends?".
/r/seduction11/01/15 05:36 AM
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That's great. This girl also comments on how he loves white guys and shit (I'm Asian). I just joke and say yeah, who could resist Zac Efron amirite.
/r/seduction11/01/15 05:35 AM
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No, I mean how do I execute it?
/r/seduction11/01/15 05:33 AM
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HAHAHA This is fucking gold.
/r/seduction11/01/15 05:25 AM
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I like that.
/r/seduction11/01/15 05:21 AM
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It's impossible. We shared a kiss beforehand. We're holding hands throughout. I hold her hip as we're walking. She even wanted me to ask her out on a third date.
/r/seduction11/01/15 05:18 AM
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Huh? I don't think so man. She still wants to see me on a third date. I'm 100% sure that was a shit test.
/r/seduction11/01/15 05:17 AM
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That was obviously a date though. We kissed. You don't kiss on normal hangouts.
/r/seduction11/01/15 05:16 AM
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Thanks. Why bite my lower lip tho
/r/seduction10/01/15 08:18 AM
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Smooth response haha
/r/seduction09/01/15 08:19 AM
2

Thanks, I saw that other post on reddit too, it's some great advice!
/r/seduction09/01/15 08:18 AM
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Suave, fuck yeah! Feels reassuring since this is just my first date, I was tired (from legs day at the gym), and honestly just did what's natural in the moment. I know this is definitely not at my full potential, and because of this, I didn't feel quite as happy after the date because I felt like I could've done better. Whatever, there's always a next time! :) Yeah, doing it from behind definitely felt VERY rushed. If it wasn't rushed for her, it definitely still was for me (I was kinda REACTIVE…
/r/seduction09/01/15 08:17 AM
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Ah, so always go for the waist. What I did was arm around her shoulder, and kissed her sideways on the cheek. Always twist her waist to make her face you, before you kiss her, right? Gotcha. Sounds like common sense but yeah.
/r/seduction09/01/15 08:10 AM
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Yeah, she was bubbly and skipping along cuz it was a playground. I guess that wasn't the right time to make my move, yes. But she said "it's the perfect place to makeout" and that kinda clicked something inside me that I had to make my move then. It was DEFINITELY rushed, I know that then, I know that now. The reason I still went ahead was because of some advice I read that said "if you think you can kiss her now you probably could've moments ago", hence I rushed. But hey, gotta try. What do you…
/r/seduction09/01/15 08:09 AM
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How do I kiss her though, when she's kinda walking/prancing on her own, in front of me (it was a playground and she was acting like her inner child). How do i basically make her stop, turn around and face me, and kiss me?
/r/seduction09/01/15 03:15 AM
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Since it's my first date, it's hard to gauge how long to hold it for-- I think my first few touches shouldve lingered longer, especially when touching her necklace, could've held it longer and played with her clavicle too -- that added with my persistent eye contact would surely make her wet.
/r/seduction09/01/15 03:14 AM
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How do I make her stop and face me, though? When she's walking in front of me and shit
/r/seduction09/01/15 03:11 AM
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Yeah I know that was the hint -- how should I have closed the deal?
/r/seduction09/01/15 03:11 AM
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Thanks, is there nothing worth mentioning/learning from this one experience though? Limited sample size, I know. Planning on going another date with this other girl.
/r/seduction07/01/15 05:51 PM
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I went! Read about it here, would love to know your opinion.
/r/seduction07/01/15 01:27 PM
1

But she decides where doesn't she
/r/seduction03/01/15 12:58 AM
1

How would the relationship dynamic change though, because she's the one asking me out instead of me taking the lead and choosing the places.
/r/seduction02/01/15 02:31 PM
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I see where you're going wth this, but the truth is that I'm from an Asian country, and girls here are simply much less receptive (or pretend to be due to social conditioning), and the ones in my age range are relatively socially inept and inexperienced.
/r/seduction02/01/15 05:44 AM
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Thanks. I just replied with "I don't give lessons to strangers". She replied with "noooooo were not strangers :/".
/r/seduction02/01/15 04:03 AM
1

What if she contacts me after that and says something like "teach me French pleassseeeee" to get my attention
/r/seduction02/01/15 04:02 AM
1

Your last line is good. I'll remember that everytime. Thanks
/r/seduction02/01/15 04:01 AM
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Should I tell her beforehand that it's a date?
/r/seduction02/01/15 04:00 AM
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im 19. Unfortunately most of the girls I'm interested in (age 19 or below) are socially inept (90% of them are virgins and majority have never been in a relationship). That coupled with the fact that I'm from a sexually conservative country makes it harder for me to find girls that fit my criteria of being socially adept. It's like I have to kinda compromise, and I'm fine with that -- because my ultimate goal is to be able to pick up ANY girl.
/r/seduction02/01/15 03:59 AM
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Okay. Not sure if I have oneitis but I would like to give her another chance. I won't be making excuses for her behalf, but she told me she has exams -- hence I'd understand if she didn't wanna wanna meet up. I'd say I'll just stop texting her much -- if she wishes to meet up, then she'll contact me eventually once her exams are over.
/r/seduction02/01/15 03:55 AM
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I'm talking about merely the first date. You can't really express yourself (i.e. be congruent) by showing your sexual intent, as that will creep her out easily.
/r/seduction30/12/14 03:36 PM
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Perhaps that's true... I mean, it'd certainly explain all the fucked-upness of Japanese porn. How do you make make them comfortable opening up -- especially if they are (i) inexperienced, i.e. never had physical contact with a guy before and (ii) reluctant to show their true sexual desires due to all the slut-shaming culture?
/r/seduction30/12/14 12:52 PM
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That's quite right, but how do you get to this state. Sure, you throw yourself and numb your thoughts via your actions -- but what then. Sometimes you still are out-of-state.
/r/seduction30/12/14 11:48 AM
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What if you're in a sexually-conservative country, where girls are shamed for thinking of sex and being perceived as sluts?
/r/seduction30/12/14 11:44 AM
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I usually say things like "slow down girl, I don't want you to wake up pregnant". Too over-the-top?
/r/seduction30/12/14 12:34 AM
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Ah okay, I thought that by unintentionally and naturally saying things like "woah, you're a dirty minded girl aren't you?" it would actually discourage her from showing her sexual interest to me -- which is bad.
/r/seduction30/12/14 12:33 AM
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That's solid, versatile advice. Thanks!
/r/seduction30/12/14 12:31 AM
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Pretty much same as you, started half a year ago and am now 19 years old. My inner game is damn strong (thanks to Models), but my outer game needs work. I can pull off the James Bond, low energy banter easily, but being in college, I find that girls respond better to high-energy, positive, and fun alpha males.
/r/seduction25/12/14 11:45 AM
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As a low energy person who KNOWS he has the potential to be a high energy -- life of the party -- type of person(because he's done it before). What should I do?
/r/seduction25/12/14 11:41 AM
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Thanks I think I like your advice. What do you think is the main criteria that distinguishes a doormat that people take advantage of from a person that simply gives? Boundaries?
/r/seduction23/12/14 02:27 AM
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Hmm, why do you say that? I'll need to know if I were to think that this mentality shift would benefit me (which ironically goes against what you said). Before, I was the "what can I do for you" kinda guy. I'd do things for other people at the cost of my own self-worth and boundaries. I'd go the extra mile to do things for people and in the end, I'm never really appreciated and people take me for granted. In that sense, I was the "nice guy" objectively based on my actions, but people didn't feel…
/r/seduction22/12/14 04:50 PM
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To be very honest with myself, I do this because it's fun for me -- the act of teasing and being flirtatious is part of who I am and I get a certain satisfied high whenever I do it. This is made even more fun, and is reinforced, if I get positive, reciprocating reactions from the girl. Because of this sexually-oppressed culture though, I'm much less flirtatious and teasing to most girls (i still am to girls that are more westernized and sexually-experienced though).
/r/seduction22/12/14 04:43 PM
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Unsure how to do this with sexually-inexperienced girls though, since they are more reluctant and shy when it comes to explicitly sexual behavior (touching her on the waist, EVEN, is frowned upon)
/r/seduction22/12/14 04:30 PM
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Right... but I'm talking specifically about parties where people know each other -- and in a sense you might feel like the outsider. I don't overthink much -- or at the very least I don't show it -- and I definitely don't try to impress anyone. However, I am usually very subdued, don't talk much, but convey a strong sense of presence and authority. Yes. I'm that person in the party. I know I'm an alpha male. I know what I want and I get what I want. One of the things I want to improve on is my h…
/r/seduction22/12/14 10:42 AM
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While Naturals seems to be more about Outer Game (which I should improve on), Models is all about Inner Game. One year ago I was this fat, depressed, easily-provoked loser that wasn't necessarily insecure -- but knew what he wanted out of life but never had the courage or discipline to take the first step. We all know what we want -- but we rarely have the courage to just take that leap of faith and to dedicate ourselves to reach there. I was the guy that would read and read about quotes and see…
/r/seduction17/12/14 12:45 PM
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Awesome. Mind giving me a quick outline of what naturals is about? I read Models, and would HIGHLY recommend it.
/r/seduction17/12/14 06:36 AM
1

Is there a guide on isolating the target when opening up a two-set? Would be of great help to both me and OP.
/r/seduction16/12/14 12:47 PM
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The goal is not to make girls laugh, but to make them wet. Solid words of wisdom there bro. Make a wallpaper and I'm gonna plaque that shit up on my wall. Hehe joking aside, that's great advice. What specifically do you mean by socially-graceful though, from a PUA standpoint?
/r/seduction16/12/14 12:44 PM
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Dude that's awesome. Seriously keep it up man. I myself am quite new to this too, and the fact that this was a two-set certainly makes it relatively harder. Your videos are very beneficial for my own learning experience too, would be looking forward to your future videos and seeing your progress, man! :D
/r/seduction16/12/14 12:40 PM
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My views are also a bit too extreme. People ask me what the meaning of life is and while they say it's to be happy, I strongly believe that from an evolutionary standpoint, it's to survive and reproduce. Everyone thinks I'm wrong so I just learnt to never talk about my views to people -- there's no point opening up and arguing.
/r/seduction15/12/14 09:12 AM
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No offense, and I don't want to undermine OP here, but I didn't feel the same way -- I didn't think his game was that solid. With that said, it's a good place to work from especially for a first-timer! First things first, the fact that this is your FIRST pickup is great. It puts you way ahead of people that don't approach at all. So that honestly is awesome -- I'm assuming you did this with a friend as well, so that's an ideal place to be coming from! Second, I noticed a few things you did wrong…
/r/seduction15/12/14 08:58 AM
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As a person that has ADHD... I'd hate to have a friend like you. Sometimes the shit I say doesn't make sense (it's meant to be a joke), that's something I can't control but am working on. Realise that if he doesn't appreciate it, you should probably talk to him about it... Maybe he's going through a lot
/r/seduction15/12/14 12:34 AM
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This is the TRUE point bro. We've all been through high school and know what it's like... Having a social circle you meet and interact with everyday can make it seem like your identity is dependent on them. Once you leave highschool, you'll realise this is completely false!
/r/seduction13/12/14 04:16 AM
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Those are completely ridiculous haha... Mind elaborating?
/r/seduction13/12/14 04:11 AM
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Idk about OP, but here's mine. Fun: listening to music, hanging with friends, movies, eat, shopping, consumerist stuff. computer games, travel, tennis, etc Free time: studying (med school), lift weights, gardening, reading/redditing, and the things I do for fun. Relax/unwind: sleep, listen to music, etc Good: graphic design, school, deep self-awareness and self-realisation, ambitious (type A Personality here) with strong boundaries.
/r/seduction12/12/14 11:41 AM
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I'm inherently a very talkative and passionate person that doesn't think before he talks. Because of this over the years I've kinda suppressed that side of me -- that natural side of me -- to talk in a more thoughtful, slower manner. This made me the "guy who rarely talks but is insightful" person. It also made me the "too serious" person. I feel like i already know the right answer to this dilemma of mine. To simply be yourself -- act as ridiculous and talkative as you could when around friends…
/r/seduction12/12/14 10:19 AM
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I thought most of this subreddit is focused on inner game. I think there should be more outer game stuff (qualification, kino, etc). The field reports are great but I really wish they could break down the tactics of infield footage and what not.
/r/seduction10/12/14 01:55 AM
1

Haha awesome! Good luck on your journey bro, I love your optimistic attitude!
/r/seduction09/12/14 02:30 PM
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Haha, that's fucking awesome. I was gonna come to Quebec to study (McGill University), they even accepted me... but in the end I chose to stay here. Not sure if I made the right decision to be honest! So you're a french-speaker?
/r/seduction09/12/14 01:29 PM
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That's awesome. I could do this, but I wish I could do this. See I live in an Asian country where this would be unorthodox, people generally think you want something from them if they get approached by anyone (i.e. a salesman). Judging by how you talked to the girl, I think we have similar styles in terms of approaching/talking with women. If I had to put a label on it I'd say "ridiculous" and "quirky". Where you from? This may be a limiting belief, but from my experiences, western countries' gi…
/r/seduction09/12/14 01:14 PM
2

Holy shit that's some fast and impressive progress!!! Any tips or could you go into more detail how you approach?
/r/seduction09/12/14 07:31 AM
1

I disagree with that last part. I'm pretty sure any average guy could be able to simply say hi and introduce themselves, no?
/r/seduction09/12/14 07:09 AM
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I don't agree with this completely. This is what I actually do (naturally). I ask them a lot of questions to see if they're essentially worth my time, but in doing so I never build any DEEP connections, nothing emotional. It's like I'm a buyer of a television set. I walk in the store and ask for the specifications. But on the other end, she isn't receiving any emotions from the interaction -- it's as if it was an interrogation. This advice clearly helps a lot of people, but unfortunately I think…
/r/seduction06/12/14 01:49 AM
1

That's great and very helpful, but I'm looking more for elements like humor, qualification/negging, and how to integrate them naturally, to spice up the conversation.
/r/seduction06/12/14 01:22 AM
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I could do all of that but the question persists -- I don't know how to build that connection. I ask superficial topics and never delve deep. The things I say lack passion or emotion. It's like I'm interrogating her.
/r/seduction06/12/14 12:27 AM
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I think I am confident and that I maintain a strong frame, but in ever establish a connection. It's like I'm a tree, I'm just there, boring, still, even though I'm grounded and unstifled. I want to establish an emotional connection but I need to work on my rapport building skills.
/r/seduction06/12/14 12:26 AM
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Touche. I'm now in med school (directly after high school). No idea how I even got here, and it still is chill as fuck. It took me a year of cleaning up (dieting, hitting the gym, improving inner game and life) to realize that PERSISTENCE and DISCIPLINE are the key to success. Effort is needed, but it could still be minimal. It's a mindset shift and I've never been so optimistic before!
/r/seduction04/12/14 01:56 AM
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Ah thanks for the advice. I think it's clear that #3 is a joke though... It's so absurd there's no way they could take it personally. There's also a compliment there to kinda compensate for it -- you disagree? I guess smartass was just my style -- I'm usually a cocky guy, but thanks for telling me I should have limits! I should rephrase the question to something more general, like "flirty responses" instead
/r/seduction30/11/14 01:07 AM
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I think most people don't post on /r/AskSeddit because of the lack of activity. If we were able to boost its activity and make all questions pushed to that subreddit (leaving only FRs, and other discussions here), that'd be great.
/r/seduction30/11/14 12:03 AM
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Coming from being one of those guys... I've made it, and it wouldn't have been possible without this sub.
/r/seduction30/11/14 12:02 AM
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I never understand why "beginners" to each subreddit don't ever read the sidebar. IT'S SUCH A GOOD SOURCE OF INFORMATION. IT'S THERE FOR A REASON. Same applies to /r/fitness. Reading the sidebar definitely helped me build a solid foundation, and it distilled information from this entire community into a relatively concise format.
/r/seduction30/11/14 12:01 AM
1

That's great, but where do you find interesting people. I wish I had more interesting friends.
/r/seduction29/11/14 05:12 AM
4

Something clicked. Thanks.
/r/seduction29/11/14 05:10 AM
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Brother. Everything you described is exactly my story. I don't think it's necessarily a problem. But you have to be 100% honest with yourself -- are you not taking things further cuz of lack of interest, or cuz of fear. If it's the latter, I'd say go on a date. Just one date. Low commitment. Nothing serious. Just one date. You'll probably realise things aren't as serious as you make it out to be. Worst case scenario? You lose interest and don't ask her out again. Easy.
/r/seduction28/11/14 03:12 AM
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Once again , conservative local culture. It's hard to find them online or anywhere. Everyone here is very cliquey
/r/seduction27/11/14 12:55 AM
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Most of the girls here are definitely not DTF though. Fucking on a first date is a taboo, in fact, sex is seen as a taboo and generally not "expected" until 1-2 months into a relationship. Hell, most of them are so socially awkward they won't even be able to flirt back or know how to respond to your sexual advances. As I said in another post, 95% of the people, man or woman, in my class of 210 students, are virgins. Sorry, not to be put you down, but I don't think you genuinely understand the pr…
/r/seduction26/11/14 05:50 AM
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Not sure though. I'm 19, international (Canadian-born-Chinese). Most of them "stick together", and would only add more members into the group via mutual friends. So there's a sense of exclusivity within every group -- you'll have to KNOW people to get in. There's no such thing as "meeting girls at a coffee shop" or "at the grocery store", it's simply seen as unorthodox and potentially taboo. I suppose the best way to know people is in parties -- though I personally hate that atmosphere. If you h…
/r/seduction26/11/14 05:43 AM
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I don't know where to find them in my country. Pretty much a vast majority are like that.
/r/seduction26/11/14 03:10 AM
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Yes, I do need someone to tell me how to act in different situations. For instance, in an interview, it's hard for me to keep my frame because I get pulled into the interviewer's -- I put them on a pedestal. When I'm in an office, like you example, I feel repressed and non-genuine because I'm not expressing myself by having to be polite all the time. I realize that the fundamentals are relatively universal, and like you said, it's a different style for different types of girls. I'm just wonderin…
/r/seduction26/11/14 12:54 AM
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Hmm, I think you might be onto something here. I'd love if you could elaborate more on your side. For me, conservative girls respond to any sexual advances like kino or flirting by something socially awkward. I once negged a girl "I've never seen such a good-looking man", and she responded with "I don't know how to respond haha". Where do you go from there? Flirting is only fun when there's two players. For socially-awkward girls, yeah, they tend to make social mistakes accidentally. This girl I…
/r/seduction26/11/14 12:48 AM
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I don't see anything wrong with this though. It works for me so far. Every time. We might be focusing on the detail and specifics but in general, seduction is a game of frames. If I'm able to get her to join my frame, how is this a bad thing?
/r/seduction24/11/14 02:55 PM
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Not it's not dependent on the girl's reaction... Have you read anything I said above? For me, it's simply a genuine expression of who I am. I'm the silly type of guy that does things like this. It's memorable to her and it's funny to me. Even if she doesn't respond well, I still think it's hilarious.
/r/seduction24/11/14 02:39 PM
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Thing is -- this IS myself. My personality and humor is just silly retarded shit like this. I don't take it too seriously. And this is subcommunicated. If she looks at me and says "damn you're so petty... fishing for compliments", then I laugh it off -- it's not like I really care if she plays along or not.
/r/seduction24/11/14 02:38 PM
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My humour is making people feel uncomfortable. I get off from saying things that are offensive and feed off their reactions. To others this is sociopathic. Should I proceed?
/r/seduction23/11/14 06:52 AM
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I guess it's a personality thing -- I was never the funny talkative one even with my friends lol. I've tried touching a girl on the shoulder after a joke and she just seemed startled. Again. Local culture is quite conservative.
/r/seduction23/11/14 06:51 AM
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My inner game certainly needs work, but I think it's much better compared to other people. Im lucky since I don't have the "putting the girl on a pedestal problem", and I know for a fact that I carry myself quite well -- some girls have said that I seemed like an alpha confident male who's too mysterious and unapproachable and too good for them. I imagine this would be an indicator of shitty outer game. I think the main problem for me -- and the one I will focus on -- is expressing sexual intent…
/r/seduction23/11/14 04:13 AM
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Thanks. Yes. I think that's the problem. It's not that I lack sexual energy per se, but rather I think it's me having difficulty expressing that sexual energy. For example, I've heard that eye contact should be done with the mindset of thinking what it'd be like to fuck her. But I never know how to do the eye contact thing as it always seems creepy when I do it to myself in the mirror. Flirting as well, where do you draw the boundary? I don't know how to NOT come off too strong, too creepy, too …
/r/seduction23/11/14 03:39 AM
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I'm not sure how to improve my outer game though. I'm also not a naturally funny guy (I only have a few moments when everything is "right" will I crack a joke). I tend to be a cocky guy and I need to improve on my humor. How to express sexual interest or escalate without coming off too creepy? How to be more forward without being too pushy and needy? etc etc.
/r/seduction23/11/14 02:52 AM
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I'm not sure how to improve my outer game though. How to express sexual interest or escalate without coming off too creepy? How to be more forward without being too pushy and needy? etc etc.
/r/seduction23/11/14 02:52 AM
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I'm not sure how to improve my outer game though. How to express sexual interest or escalate without coming off too creepy? How to be more forward without being too pushy and needy? etc etc.
/r/seduction23/11/14 02:52 AM
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Ooh I like this! Also another tip is to just talk to everyone.
/r/seduction21/11/14 10:58 AM
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How do you suggest to play it off as a joke?
/r/seduction21/11/14 03:28 AM
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Isn't being ambiguous not as good? I don't think I'll be able to play that card (it doesn't adhere to my persona), and thus would damage my inner game. I'd much rather be like "that's not important" or "that's not irrelevant", or make a joke out of it "what you jealous?" ;)
/r/seduction20/11/14 11:24 PM
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If you're in a relationship with a girl then, i.e. your girlfriend, would it still be normal to go out on dates with other women you're interested in? Or is this simply frowned upon
/r/seduction20/11/14 09:46 AM
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Ah I see, this is likely due to the different culture. When you're going out with a girl one-on-one, romantically (not as a friend), it's pretty much explicit that you guys are "dating".
/r/seduction20/11/14 09:45 AM
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But if you're going on a date with another girl, is it social norm to be dating multiple girls stimultaneously? Dating =/= relationships, right? Cuz most of the time, in local culture, the two go hand in hand.
/r/seduction20/11/14 04:03 AM
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Whenever I'm in group settings and talk, no body listens to me. Honestly. I always get overshadowed by louder people, by more "alive" and reactive people (im generally calm and unstifled). To the point where I'm starting to just not talk anymore since 80% of the time I get ignored
/r/seduction20/11/14 04:02 AM
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Tried it. People just ignored me. Some even avoided getting into the frame.
/r/seduction20/11/14 03:36 AM
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What ways do you give value without seeming too needy? E.g. Excessive compliments would be too needy?
/r/seduction19/11/14 05:57 AM
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You described my adolescence Used to be a bully in high school. Lost one of my best friends. That's when I realised nobody liked me. This simple idea drove me into a cycle. Got into depression and over corrected myself -- became a complete recluse, wallflower, loner. Got fat. Poured my heart and soul into my grades. And now I'm in med school. In the past year I've been building myself up and hitting the gym, etc. but I still find it difficult to know where to draw the line.
/r/seduction19/11/14 05:49 AM
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I think "okay?" Implies as if you're the submissive one in the relationship -- the one playing to his frame. What I would do is be like "are you alright?"... "Have you socialised before?"... "You know how a handshake works right?"
/r/seduction19/11/14 05:43 AM
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Yeah IKR. Not falling for that limiting belief again. Though to be fair, some of this reddits advice like the FORD thing does seem overly formal for college students. They're unlikely to have a lot of experience to begin with to talk about.
/r/seduction17/11/14 05:03 AM
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Hmm no idea. I guess I'll try!
/r/seduction17/11/14 03:14 AM
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I feel like most of this subreddits advice requires a certain twist to make it applicable in the college setting
/r/seduction17/11/14 03:01 AM
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Hey! Surprised to find people here... what's your experience like sarging in HK?
/r/seduction15/11/14 07:25 AM
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It can't be just me... But I feel too exhausted after exercising to socialise. That said, obviously exercise, just don't do it before a social gathering. That's my advice.
/r/seduction15/11/14 06:03 AM
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I'd agree with you but what if my social circle and the local culture is mostly inexperienced girls. For context, I'm nineteen and most of the girls in my university (95% or more) have NEVER had sex. 80% of them have never dated. What then? How do you talk about sex like its a completely natural and normal thing when everyone else -- the people you're talking to -- thinks it's not
/r/seduction14/11/14 02:27 AM
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Yeah
/r/seduction13/11/14 12:41 AM
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People NOTICE when you pay attention That's good, but I always try not to cross the line by giving them too much attention. I'm the type of person that's either not really interested (think small talk) or suddenly very interested/passionate (think if someone suddenly told you they had a mutual interest with you). Is giving too much attention ever a bad thing, as long as it's from the mindset of being genuine and not seeking approval of others (needy)? Read what I just wrote above. I guess that d…
/r/seduction12/11/14 02:53 PM
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You need to cut yourself some slack here. I see this. There's a line between self-acceptance and longing for self-improvement... clearly I've been too critical of myself. I want to improve and I guess that drive has made me look at this situation the wrong way. Should just take it easily and let things happen naturally. Thanks. It's about listening and taking it all in, and directing the conversation. How do I do this? I've watched that video (you've sent it to me in the past) a few times. I und…
/r/seduction12/11/14 02:14 PM
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It's probably a mindset issue. You don't talk much and you say you communicate non-verbally, but I'm certain that you have established some sort of presence, right? Otherwise why the fuck would people even notice/care about you and your eye contact. I'm guessing your mindset is that you don't care, you just do what feels natural, but that -- the presence -- is what I want to work towards. We are saying, there is more and you're ignoring valuable tools. What exactly do you refer to? Thanks.
/r/seduction12/11/14 02:06 PM
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I like how you broke down and categorised the different interactions. Most of the time when the group is more than four people yes it becomes a seminar, especially when there's someone foreign/new/female in the group, the others would "interrogate" them like a white blood cell. You've mentioned how to act in group convos (listening, adding your input/something personal to build friendship)... But what about seminars?
/r/seduction12/11/14 08:26 AM
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Yes, but mind giving some practical solutions to the problems you just described. I like how you mention that everyone else is dealing with it as well -- puts things in perspective. But it seems like they never run out of things to say, and they are all alive and contributing to the conversation -- whereas I'm just sitting there alone, speaking not often, and not really expressing positive vibes or adding more fun to the group, which is the masculine role in a convo -- to offer validation and fu…
/r/seduction12/11/14 07:41 AM
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That's a very good idea. I've tried making hand gestures subtly at the person and its seemed to work so far -- I get their attention, they pause, and I take my time and slowly speak at my pace. I remain unreactive (unless someone cracked a joke where obviously I'd have to "react").
/r/seduction12/11/14 06:47 AM
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Ah I know exactly what you're talking about. I just recalled the few times when I naturally did this -- where the other person had my complete interest -- and I know exactly what that feeling is like. But those reference experiences were one on one conversations. How do you do it in a group. Because even if you're paying complete attention to someone in a group conversation, and you have something you want to ask -- you'd get interrupted before you get to speak. By then the conversation has chan…
/r/seduction12/11/14 06:41 AM
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Wait what? How does one casually put a girls hand on the chest then to the dick?
/r/seduction12/11/14 06:15 AM
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See that's what most people on this sub has suggested/advised in the past, and clearly there's something I'm not getting, because it feels weird implementing this advise. Wouldn't I just end up as the creepy guy in the corner not talking, while everyone else is having a conversation? Or is the trick simply to accept this moment and remain present in the moment... To just wait for your turn to speak? What if it's a large group, when there's only a lull in every 5 minutes... So you only get to tal…
/r/seduction12/11/14 06:08 AM
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Good shit.
/r/seduction11/11/14 11:55 AM
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Definitely helped with Inner Game and ultimately, my LIFE -- "Models" pulled me out of depression. I've started implementing Outer Game in everyday life for the past months, though it definitely seems that HK is a bit more conservative. For instance, people are less receptive to kino, etc. PM me if you wanna talk more!
/r/seduction11/11/14 11:55 AM
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Sup
/r/seduction11/11/14 04:17 AM
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I'm quite surprised you say this, but also relieved! Where do you usually go to practice pickup? If it's mostly clubs I could understand why you might have a higher tendency of getting receptive girls, but you also mentioned your experience with university girls... Which uni specifically? (I know HKU and HKUST are more westernised compared to let's say Baptist or CUHK). I'd love to hear your story and your background. Are you racially Chinese as well? I'll send you a PM when I get home!
/r/seduction11/11/14 04:16 AM
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Sounds awesome, I miss the old days. Unfortunately my friends have quitted so there's no point in me coming back (I enjoyed the community back then and not really a fan of quests or skulking). Also I would've never expected to have a convo about RS on seddit!
/r/seduction11/11/14 04:12 AM
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Instagram?!
/r/seduction10/11/14 10:13 AM
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We're all gonna make it bruh Would love to hear your story
/r/seduction10/11/14 09:19 AM
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I follow a similar system, but sometimes I'm just too lazy or tired to turn on the switch you know?
/r/seduction10/11/14 09:18 AM
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I'm awkward when I'm tired. I don't want to socialise but at the same time, I feel pressured to. As a result I blush a lot and talk about meaningless topics. That aint good
/r/seduction10/11/14 09:07 AM
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Holy shit lol! You playing the new scape or old school? Stats? And why are you still playing a game that's pretty obsolete at this point? Does anyone still play even?!?! That's awesome man. I might start playing as well if there's a community
/r/seduction10/11/14 09:06 AM
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Wow you still play Runescape?! How??? That used to consume my life
/r/seduction10/11/14 05:29 AM
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I agree with you and have a similar situation as OP. What would you say to "turn it back to them"?
/r/seduction10/11/14 05:04 AM
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if you wanted to study abroad it would be much easier for you. I thought about joining an exchange program, actually. Thing is, with medicine, it's quite hard to find one.
/r/seduction09/11/14 12:40 PM
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lol. well played.
/r/seduction09/11/14 12:35 PM
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I didn't mention it because I thought it's a better idea to direct this question to a broader audience, for more general advice, rather than honing onto the specifics. But I do see your point, hopefully someone over here could offer some insight!
/r/seduction09/11/14 03:52 AM
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Perhaps. Thing is that it's difficult to find non-Canto and foreign girls to talk to, especially since they wouldn't be in my immediate social circle. I love their "liberated" personality and international background, but the difference in race might be stigmatized (Asian guy - white girl couples are extremely rare in HK). I don't let that limit my beliefs though, but it's still there. The perfect girls would be Asian/Chinese girls that are from international backgrounds, that are currently stud…
/r/seduction09/11/14 03:50 AM
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Why would you say that it's impossible to pick up locals? For context I'm a local guy, just with a Western and international background (Canada, International School, etc)
/r/seduction09/11/14 03:46 AM
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Once you do go through massive change, you will come to a stop sign. You will probably have to abandon your old peer group, otherwise they'd just bring you down. Wow. I'm so sorry to hear this. I've made massive changes physically (fat to fit), academically, fashion/style-wise, and socially (confidence, etc). But I'm still best friends with people from high school. We meet every once in a while, they notice my immense changes in style and fitness, and we're still best friends. It's fucking aweso…
/r/seduction09/11/14 03:45 AM
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Hong Kong
/r/seduction09/11/14 03:42 AM
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Hong kong
/r/seduction09/11/14 03:41 AM
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I just reread your comment. Would you mind telling me how you made the decision from changing countries? I'm relatively young (19) and such a decision seems a bit risky (I acknowledge that I might not necessarily make the best decisions at this age) and definitely out of my comfort zone.
/r/seduction09/11/14 03:34 AM
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I smile quite often but my smile seems forced/phony even though it might be genuine. I do try to keep a approachable vibe, but it's something specifically I'll focus on for the next week or month. Such as saying hi or smiling to anyone in my class that I know (pretty much 30-40% of the entire class), and simply acknowledging everyone else (offering value).
/r/seduction09/11/14 03:25 AM
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By being available. Be noticeable, be approachable How do you convey this? I have this resting bitch face (I think) and because I'm quite heavily-built, a lot of people get intimidated by me. I smile all the time, but my smile looks a bit creepy and phony. As always, solid advice! thanks, you've helped a lot!
/r/seduction09/11/14 12:39 AM
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Good advice. I think Taiwan culture is pretty much identical to Hong Kong. If anything Hk is more liberated. What seddit advice would you say should be used with caution? Also what clubs should one join to meet more liberated/open girls
/r/seduction08/11/14 08:58 AM
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YOU DESCRIBED IT PERFECTLY. identical situation, given that I'm in HK and the two are similar in more than one ways. What's the context though -- where you from and what are you doing there? Have you found any solutions or made any approaches?
/r/seduction08/11/14 03:10 AM
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The girls you want to approach, if you approach directly at all, are going to be the ones who are trying to break the cultural mold of where they live already...They're already trying to rebel and that makes them more likely to reach out to you. Actually, these are the girls I'm attracted to anyway, so that would make sense. How do I increase the chances of THEM approaching ME though? Avoid negs whenever possible. Why? If you pull it off with a few women, and they have friends like themselves, r…
/r/seduction08/11/14 01:06 AM
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In some parts. I was from an International school so it's worth saying that I'm more accustomed to the western culture (and kinda identify with it) more than the local culture. Which is why being in a local university is quite a culture shock.
/r/seduction08/11/14 12:57 AM
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No idea. Most of the social groups in my university are quite tedious (English debate team, example). They're not even that social.
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:37 PM
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Wow that's actually some solid advice. Especially in the college setting which I'm in. Any practical tips of inceasing popularity? I was never the popular kid.
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:34 PM
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That's some good advice. It'd be great if you could expand on what you meant when you said you've already cultivated a high value persona, making your kino advances more receptive. That's what I'm building up to!
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:32 PM
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It's more that I wanna direct this question to a broader audience, for more general advice, rather than honing onto the specifics Since many of you asked, yes it's Hong Kong. Hope that clears things up.
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:31 PM
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Unfortunately I've already "signed" the contract and sealed the deal. It's fixed at this point. I do plan to travel more and back to western countries every once in a while though
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:30 PM
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Sound advice! Getting integrated into their culture is REALLY important and I must say requires ALOT of effort and time -- sometimes it's not even worth it lol.
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:29 PM
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My degree kinda has me fixed in this country for the next ten years...
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:27 PM
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I deliberately didn't post the country as I want the question to be broader and more applicable to everyone.
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:25 PM
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Shit this is some solid game plan you've laid out, I must ask, have you done this before? Would love to hear your insight! Also, most of the things you list here are things I already do. Not being judgemental. Just being on the fringe and not the centre of popularity/attention. Limited kino but still expressing interest via verbal means. Unfortunately I'm not getting a lot of receptive responses -- if I get a shocked response from a shoulder nudge that's a bit hard to escalate... Also, how do I …
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:24 PM
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I get what you're saying but most of my hobbies involve solitude. It's also part of this country's culture, most people are conservative and more family oriented. They may only come out to party and shit but that's about the only "social gatherings" they have.
/r/seduction07/11/14 11:05 PM
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Hey man. In terms of moving, nah. I'm in college and the degree I'm getting pretty much confirms that I'll be staying here for the next ten years... With regards to the mental obstacle thing. Yes. I've thought about this long and hard, and I've made attempts to bypass this barrier by approaching more girls, making advances (kino), showing interest, flirting, etc without seeming too needy. But at the same time, it seems a bit needy cuz NO ONE here is doing that. Being touchy, flirty in general is…
/r/seduction07/11/14 02:26 PM
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That's awesome bro... the fact that we're not alone... not the fact that there's no p00n to hunt! Unfortunately I'd probably be staying here for the rest of my life (because of my career), and it frustrates me that I'm missing out on this very important aspect of my life from staying here... when I could be practicing my game in a more liberated country. Have you thought about or found any solutions?
/r/seduction07/11/14 02:18 PM
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Good insight. Yeah there's a few, though I'm sure you could count them in one hand. The thing is most of these people are commercialized, as in, they wouldn't wanna hangout for drinks unless I pay them to -.- Also, I wouldn't know where to contact them. And yes, that's what pisses me off. I'm a horndog (read: I'm just a normal average guy) and the fact that all these girls are conservative kinda frustrates me. There might be girls that are DTF but they're really hard to approach because they're …
/r/seduction07/11/14 02:14 PM
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WAIT. Sometimes they're just socially awkward, especially those in college/high school. Most of the people from my year don't knnow how to have a proper conversation at all -.-
/r/seduction07/11/14 02:11 PM
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ABC?
/r/seduction07/11/14 02:09 PM
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What if I have a creepy/phony smile?
/r/seduction06/11/14 12:38 PM
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That's great. How did you guys come to this agreement? I imagined that the guy (or whoever asked the other person out) would always pay for the first date.
/r/seduction05/11/14 12:39 PM
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I'm Asian, and let me first of all say that this Asian guy intimidated by white girl shit has to stop... It might be because, assuming you're from the Americas, that minorities stick together closer. That definitely helps. It'd help if you could outline his process. Let's say this Asian friend of yours meets a random girl (regardless of race). What are the things he does? How does he ask for her number? It'd help us answer your question.
/r/seduction05/11/14 12:35 PM
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Thanks, yeah no doubt. Another thing I realized is that a positive mindset could really change the way you live your life. With regards to being more polarizing, I'll say don't be afraid of expressing yourself for fear of what other people may think of you. It's kinda why douchebags get laid all the time -- they don't care and they express who they are. I'm a calm, quiet guy -- and I express that as well. You might be a more silly, quirky guy -- don't be afraid to express that as well. Hope this…
/r/seduction05/11/14 12:31 PM
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I'm nineteen, med student, and my life is similar although much more chill. Let's say I spend 4-6 hours at school and commute. I'd spend another 2 studying. I'd spend an hour napping, and 1-2hours of browsing Internet. I also gym 3 times a week. I'd hang out with friends once or twice every week (drinks, etc), and have lunch with them from time to time. A big epiphany for me is realising that this was enough. That it's okay. This might not be the answer you're looking for, but it's one you'll di…
/r/seduction05/11/14 04:32 AM
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I've always known this, but unfortunately one of the ways I go about it is to avoid contact with any potential targets because "I'm not ready", especially when these targets are from a social circle I meet everyday (e.g. school). While I do not necessarily care what she thinks of me, I also don't want my advances/failures to have consequences which I have to deal with everyday for the next few years. Because I know that you should make your moves AS SOON AS POSSIBLE rather than going through the…
/r/seduction05/11/14 12:56 AM
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What if I already told some lies. For example, I told them during a drinking game that I had a girlfriend, that I had sex, that I have plenty of women in my life (because it helps me keep this persona as a means of self-improvement). I don't wish to come clean with regards to the fact that I told a lie (I don't see a need), but at the same time I don't want to lead them on. What I usually say is "I don't want to talk about it." or "That's not important".
/r/seduction03/11/14 01:09 PM
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That's all great advice... but she tells you a funny story and you gently grab both shoulders and say 'No way' Isn't this a bit too intense?! The hugging bit is great but how do you make it natural. Especially since I don't hug every girl/person I interact with (never had a reason to) -- it'd seem a bit off.
/r/seduction03/11/14 12:05 PM
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It was supposed to be a tap on the shoulder but I think I pussied out at the last microsecond. This is probably because I've never touched her before... It's so embarrassing but I don't think she realized. It just feels really unnatural when I do kino with the mindset of DOING kino. I try to slip as much kino as I could in a conversation and that is a bad mindset cuz it becomes too blatant. How do you naturally kino in a short 2-3 minute conversation?
/r/seduction03/11/14 09:31 AM
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Sometimes the crossover questions never cross to me. And I'm just left there listening. I try to ask questions but they'd just laugh at me or cbf to explain their inside jokes/convo topics.
/r/seduction01/11/14 03:00 AM
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I don't though. If I'm immersing myself in something I don't like/want at that moment then I don't feel good. If anything I feel cringe. Sometimes I just prefer to be left alone. What I do is still attend and stop by, but make an excuse to leave early before my attention span dies and I inevitably get bored -> tired -> depressed. Low commitment social gatherings are the best
/r/seduction01/11/14 02:58 AM
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What if I don't feel happy? I instead feel regret (that I didn't stay home). Instead I feel anxious (too many people around. Too noisy). Instead I feel bored?
/r/seduction01/11/14 12:59 AM
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Any tips you could give. I hate large groups. It's chaotic. Especially when it's a large group of people that know and are close to each other, you can't help but feel like an outsider. You don't get their inside jokes. You're friends with them but at the same time you're "the weakest link". And naturally they talk amongst themselves about topics that you don't know anything about. And you're stuck there for the whole night with these loons. Probably not talking much, not being that reactive, an…
/r/seduction01/11/14 12:02 AM
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Same exact story.
/r/seduction31/10/14 11:59 PM
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I don't get what you're saying. Shit is in the bag = it's on? Wouldn't watching a movie date then leaving be a horrible idea. Personally I find it a waste of money and terribly risky..
/r/seduction31/10/14 02:52 AM
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;)
/r/seduction29/10/14 09:54 AM
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Fuck sucks to hear.
/r/seduction28/10/14 11:52 AM
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It's something I'm working on myself -- maintaining my own frame and identity. Sometimes I fall into the trap of letting other people define my identity, especially at school. With people you see everyday, it's hard to not think that your identity is to a certain extent set in stone -- and I'm looking for ways to fix this. Usually in class, I'm the quiet, introspective person. I don't talk much, I don't like getting disturbed, I'm just thinking. But when socializing (in gatherings, with friends)…
/r/seduction28/10/14 11:38 AM
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I must admit, I see OP's point, and I have the same problem myself. By being too forward in front of her friends it does seem a bit rude, and this is clearly a limiting belief, but I feel like they have a greater chance of being receptive if you were talking to her alone -- when in groups, they might be more pressured, don't want to look like a slut, and thus reject you. I guess the "loss" comes from not only rejection (which is a small thing tbh), but also a loss in your reputation. You must ha…
/r/seduction28/10/14 11:09 AM
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Good shit. You were able to maintain your frame/identity (the nice guy with strong boundaries), while at the same time applying PUA tactics/outer game as a means of self-improvement, as a means of enhancing yourself, rather than as a facade. I give you props for that and it's what I aspire to be!
/r/seduction28/10/14 11:03 AM
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This hits home for me. Not really sure how to change this and befriend girls... People always give advice that never really applies to me. Things like "just treat them like they're guy friends", or "just use PUA tactics on EVERY girl you've meet, then you can readjust to friend, FWB, or gf afterwards" -- but these advice don't really apply.
/r/seduction28/10/14 10:47 AM
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Hmm... that's the thing. Basically last year, I was the quiet/shy/introverted one in the class. This year I want to open up and be more approachable and friendly. And sometimes, suddenly touching someone on the shoulder may be a bit unusual (some people I've talked to 2-3 times with minimal touching have reacted like that), but isn't this a barrier I have to go through instead of avoiding progressing/self-improvement? Another thing is that with most girls, I feel like they already have an image …
/r/seduction28/10/14 10:16 AM
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let's take my generalization meant to make a guy feel better about his situation and let's apply every exception we can think of I'm just trying to see if it applies to my situation; I don't think this situation is that exclusive within seddit either -- quite a large proportion of us are in school/college. I guess by reputation, I mean my identity. It's easy to say that you determine your own identity, and to a certain extent it is true, but when you're in the same social circle for the next fiv…
/r/seduction26/10/14 03:34 PM
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I say that partly because many times I've got along ok with a girl, she's added me, and I could almost hear the interest vanish straight away. I completely agree. My profile picture has 8 likes (the average of my friends my age are around ~50) and is outdated as fuck (3-4 years ago). Just never found that "perfect pic" you know? And I don't take that many pictures of myself. Everything else on my profile is decent though (I get tagged in pictures quite often because I attend quite a lot of large…
/r/seduction26/10/14 11:57 AM
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While I acknowledge that most of this subreddit's stance is AGAINST the use of social media, it has become an inevitable part of socializing in the modern era -- especially with younger groups such as college kids -- that I feel like more of this subreddit should cover. I actually strongly believe that there should be a guide on how to manage your Facebook page in order to attract girls. While this is definitely not as important as the fundamentals of inner and outer game, I think it still plays…
/r/seduction26/10/14 08:28 AM
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Rejection means that some girl you've never met and don't know isn't interested in having sex with you. What if you're trying to game a classmate that you'll meet everyday for the next five years of school, and potentially in the same workplace in the future? Not caring what they think/perceive of you is easier said than done in this situation. if you go talk to a girl and find out that she isn't interested in fucking you, nothing has changed. Not entirely true given the context above. It might …
/r/seduction26/10/14 06:41 AM
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To be fair, PU has helped my social interactions in general. My friends have noticed and said that I used to be weird as fuck, but my inner-game has helped me with my confidence, my outer-game has helped me with talking to people and being open to touching them -- and my friends like me more because of that. I think PU to a certain extent could help improvement with regards to social circles... so I don't think my question is entirely wrong.
/r/seduction26/10/14 02:34 AM
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I follow the same mindset. Mind giving me a guide on how go meditate. I just get really bored... I've tried Headspace and that bores me.
/r/seduction25/10/14 05:01 AM
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It's with a few close friends and mostly acquaintances. I don't feel comfortable sharing my PUA side to them, and I don't want to talk about personal stories cuz it'll ruin my facade when I pickup (e.g. To adopt the abundance mindset I act and joke like I'm friends with many girls, but that's far from the truth)
/r/seduction25/10/14 03:47 AM
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I could take the criticism and laugh it off. Only just out of curiosity more than anything haha
/r/seduction24/10/14 11:57 PM
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It's more of 3 close friends and 6 other acquaintances. How do I make them invest into me when I'm telling a story about my ex? Should I ask them what kind of vibe I put off (just out of curiosity in a non needy way)? Etc etc
/r/seduction24/10/14 08:53 PM
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It's more of 3 close friends and 6 other acquaintances. How do I make them invest into me when I'm telling a story about my ex? Should I ask them what kind of vibe I put off (just out of curiosity in a non needy way)? Etc etc
/r/seduction24/10/14 08:47 PM
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People usually talk about relationships and exes Would it be normal to preface my "story" by asking what vibe I put off? I'm not sure if that's needy, just to spark my curiosity tbh.
/r/seduction24/10/14 08:45 PM
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I see. Thanks. I think it depends. If I'm looking for a GF it's the first, if I'm looking for sex it's the latter. Right now, it's probably the first, I want to surround myself with interesting women to build up social value first.
/r/seduction23/10/14 11:56 PM
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Okay. I won't let this attempt to drag me down from trying again haha... Would it be better if kino was restricted only to one-on-one conversations... I feel like in group conversations it's hard to play it off as subtle.
/r/seduction23/10/14 11:53 PM
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Ah, I see. Perhaps it's where I'm from, but people usually keep their hands to themselves. Which is why, in groups, it's hard to kino without being "noticed" by anyone. Also worth mentioning that the girl was standing opposite of me which only made the kino more "explicit". The conversation still went on smoothly after that though.
/r/seduction23/10/14 10:39 AM
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I definitely make it really brief, and to me it was natural (subconsciously did it). It was only afterwards did I realize I may have made the other people in the group a bit uncomfortable/shocked, although that may also be me overthinking. I think she definitely noticed, her face had a "oh, wasn't expecting that" kinda look, though she still smiled at my vibe. You give good relatable advice, thanks! :)
/r/seduction23/10/14 10:26 AM
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Alright. As a beginner, would you agree that the former would be a good place to start?
/r/seduction23/10/14 10:24 AM
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This kinda confuses me... I always assumed, after reading Models, that you should always show genuine interest in a girl regardless of where you'd want to end up (friends, FWB, or girlfriend).
/r/seduction23/10/14 04:27 AM
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There we go nigga
/r/seduction22/10/14 01:42 PM
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Damn this reminds me of myself a year ago (I was 18). I'd say start reading Models. Shit changed my view of the world.
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:37 AM
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Mind giving a TLDR on what it's about?
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:37 AM
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This pickup line has been milked especially in college though. They usually respond with "nice pickup line haha". It definitely works as an opener (though tbh most things would), just not as smooth IMO.
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:36 AM
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Hmm, perhaps a little context? I feel like this would seem a bit creepy for a college guy. I always prefer my interactions to be face to face -- leaving online chats to be more straightforward and direct and setting up dates (like you did).
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:34 AM
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I fucking love your vibe! Also worth mentioning -- get into the gym cuz YOU want to. Do it for yourself. Learn to love the grind. Have women approached you since you changed your lifestyle? For me (lost fat and gained confidence over the past year), none have... Though they have noticeably been more receptive to my approaches.
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:31 AM
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Avoid deep meaningful convos, why? That seems a bit misogynistic. I prefer the mindset of "get to know what this woman is about, and if she's worth your time".
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:26 AM
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This is the way to go. I also like telling myself I'm the shit before a party. Recite it if you must. It has helped immensely.
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:25 AM
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Long story short, less than one year ago I was depressed, suicidal, fat as fuck, and obviously have no social acuity. Now I'm positive, relatively fit, and rediscovered my drive. Books that helped me immensely was Models, this sub Reddit and The Power of Habit really gave me a new outlook on "life". Our habits completely define us... And it's easier than we think to be in control of them! :)
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:23 AM
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Mind giving me a TLDR of cold reading? I know what it is, but what specifically does the book highlight that offers valuable insight?
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:21 AM
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Not sure why you're downvoted, is this wrong? To deprive them of validation you have to give them validation/value first. If I'm not mistaken, it's "80% pull and 20% push".
/r/seduction22/10/14 02:20 AM
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Curious question, if the girl is sitting/standing/walking next to you, how do you establish eye contact? The way I do it is that I intermittently glance at her lips, then her eyes. Especially when she's talking. I try not to lean forward and appear too needy though.
/r/seduction21/10/14 12:44 PM
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What IoIs are we talking about (excl. eye contact). Sometimes it's hard to gauge if they're just being nice/friendly or if they want to suck your dick. I have many female friends/acquaintances that fall into that category and, at least from my perspective, are quite sexless (lacking in sex experience, considering sex as a taboo subject, gets shy when being flirted with).
/r/seduction21/10/14 12:43 PM
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HAHAHAHA. That's an awesome mentality. Using this.
/r/seduction21/10/14 12:39 PM
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Hey do you plow? I need a plower. (i'm new to this so don't take my advice)
/r/seduction21/10/14 12:38 PM
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True. Me neither.
/r/seduction20/10/14 05:06 AM
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and it's a way that leaves her without any obligation to offer anything in return. Well, she wanted a seat and to join our game. I jokingly offered her to sit on my lap. She laughed at my joke, and she got a seat for herself. Honestly I don't see anything wrong with it. I had fun. She had fun. Everyone thought it was fun... It's VERY clear that I didn't actually mean/force her to sit on my lap (I phrased it as "you're welcome to sit on my lap"). It also wasn't TOO overtly sexual. I wasn't puttin…
/r/seduction19/10/14 01:25 PM
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I still stand by what I said. You wouldn't know which response they'd give you until you've tried.
/r/seduction19/10/14 08:32 AM
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Or you could just try it yourself.
/r/seduction19/10/14 06:54 AM
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I agree. Thanks. I've learnt quite a lot!
/r/seduction19/10/14 06:54 AM
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A Western country? Culture can play a role..... An Asian country/city. Conservative culture (as I said). which validates her What's wrong with this. I understand overvalidation may come off as needy, but just a passing comment/joke seems pretty good to "offer validation/value", which is the masculine role in a conversation based on the video you sent me. The distance was not a true barrier. True. But that was the FIRST thing I've said to her (as a joke, again). So I never expected her to instant…
/r/seduction19/10/14 06:53 AM
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Thanks. I like this mindset cuz it adheres to mine haha. Myself (my values, my virtues, my self improvement, my lifestyle) is always my main priority. How other people perceive me (outer game), while important, is not the first priority. I make verbal jokes (sit on my lap) and act on them in the sense that I follow up with kino or small talk and giving off a flirting, challenging, playful vibe -- not necessarily forcing her to sit on my lap.
/r/seduction19/10/14 01:04 AM
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Basically I used to be really depressed. Over the past year I've adopted a more positive outlook on life and worked on inner game. Hence everything just seems positive and fun to me now.
/r/seduction19/10/14 01:00 AM
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Thanks again for the insights. I've watched the video before and it's some solid advice, thanks for reminding me The people I hang with are 18-20 years old... Alcohol is legal in our country. I'm from Asia too, so I honestly doubt these girls -- being so young and rather conservative -- would've gotten as much validation as you think. The reason she didn't sit on my lap may be a matter of logistics -- she was on the end of the room (at the door), and a table (where the drinks and games at) separ…
/r/seduction18/10/14 01:48 PM
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Is there actually a source behind this -- the idea that even the most conservative or innocent girls have a primal desire to be ravished/dominated by a man in the bedroom? I ask this because even as a guy, speaking for my gender, people have different tastes/preferences. Some guys prefer when they assume a submissive position and let girls take charge, some guys prefer cute girls over hot girls, some guys prefer boobs over ass, some guys like OTHER guys and not girls. Just curious.
/r/seduction18/10/14 12:44 PM
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I'm having a discussion with /u/recyclablebantha in THIS thread. Basically, a girl wanted to join a card game my bros and I were playing, but there are no seats. I smile and say "you're welcome to sit on my lap!" as a joke -- everyone in the group, including the girl, responded well (laughter and wolf whistles). However, /u/recyclablebantha argues that it might be an unwise move for a beginner. Interesting to see what you guys think!
/r/seduction18/10/14 12:33 PM
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Hugs are too far up that scale for the beginning. I assume they're fine for second times. As in meeting her in the university campus after the house party. Normally I just casually say "hey pretty girl!" smile and open my arms up for the hug if she's walking toward my direction. It's fun for me cuz I'm happy to see her... and the law of state transference would mean she's happy to see me too -- too needy? it can be possible to step in and ask whoever is talking, some clarifying question or somet…
/r/seduction18/10/14 12:30 PM
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How long have you known her? This is the second time I've seen/interacted with her. First time was a short five-minute conversation walking back home, with another guy/colleague, from a organization meeting. You'll get positive or neutral feedback if you should continue, and negative if you should cool it or stop. I remember there was a "list" somewhere on this subreddit on the which parts of kino getting progressively more intimate (shoulder -> hand -> hips -> kiss -> pussy) or some shit like t…
/r/seduction18/10/14 09:49 AM
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Nah, I say this to my trannies too.
/r/seduction18/10/14 07:31 AM
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Why does aggressive help? To remove any romantic undertones?
/r/seduction18/10/14 07:04 AM
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Same, b for me it happens like a menstruation... Every two weeks ish
/r/seduction18/10/14 07:02 AM
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Made two friends. Both females. Kinda regret not making more... Just getting my name out there. Gimme gold bredah
/r/seduction18/10/14 06:49 AM
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Thanks for your reply! Like I said this was a "first" for me and a great learning experience, hence it warrants discussion. If she spreads her "special attention" around, then it's not special. She doesn't. Throughout the game, she would target my cup (getting me to drink). She moved to sit next to me (although that may be a coincidence). She rubbed her body all over me and kept looking in my direction -- something that I don't think she did with the guy on the other side of her. It's clear that…
/r/seduction18/10/14 05:22 AM
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Okay. Thanks. I'll just do whatever the fuck I feel like :) as long as I keep my confidence and actually respond (with either smile or a silly face) instead of nervously looking away.
/r/seduction15/10/14 09:11 AM
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Awesome. That's reassuring... I was worried I was putting her on a pedestal because I was pretty nervous going into the call(fear of rejection). The fact that I got rejected is interestingly liberating!
/r/seduction15/10/14 09:09 AM
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Ah. I understand that mindset. What if I don't WANT to make a face... Will a chuckle suffice?
/r/seduction15/10/14 08:15 AM
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LOL. I did. so the way I handled the situation was "FINE" as you said, is there anything I could've done instead to make it better? It's like the first time I've phone-called a girl in forever LOL (everyone uses facebook messenging or text nowadays)
/r/seduction15/10/14 08:14 AM
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Right... So how should I act in the future when girls do silly faces in my direction? Do a crazy one back, regardless of whether it was a mistake (I.e. If she was doing it to someone behind me) or not?
/r/seduction15/10/14 03:56 AM
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I meant in the future, when more girls are doing silly faces at me (it happens quite often lol, which is why I always thought someone was behind me).
/r/seduction15/10/14 03:54 AM
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Sure, I'll admit that I have an insecurity (like I said, probably based on how in primary school that girl was waving to someone behind me). How should I act if it turns out this happened again -- that she was doing silly faces to someone behind me?
/r/seduction14/10/14 10:55 PM
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This was the mentality I had -- don't let her blow you off, and put her on the spot. I don't get why you're getting so many downvotes.
/r/seduction14/10/14 10:52 PM
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My "awww, damn" was meant rather sarcastically. I don't mind if I wasn't paired up with her (although its preferred), but I just wanted to take the initiative and ask her. I've known this girl for a year. I might be friend zoned but again, I don't mind. I'm not looking for a girlfriend -- I'm just looking for a partner for a project lol. I can't tell if your advice is good. Demanding that you reject him (as a joke) isn't needy, it's being assertive and giving off the fun vibe. You're looking at …
/r/seduction14/10/14 10:50 PM
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Thanks, really liked your insight on breaking down each of the scenario. I know this is hard to drill into my head... But what if she was genuinely doing it to someone behind me? Should I not at least check. Sure, this is doubt, but it isn't necessarily stemming from insecurity. Would it not make sense for me to look behind me, confirm it's me, then do an exaggerated face with the newfound confidence in knowing full well she's interested in me? I don't understand what's wrong with turning my bac…
/r/seduction14/10/14 01:13 PM
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Not to do so would be boring, and THAT is the real question you are asking her. Could you explain?
/r/seduction13/10/14 12:51 AM
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Yeah, there's definitely an awkward transition there. ESPECIALLY when you're picking up this girl in front of another/other guys. It'd be clear that you are a desperate fucker needing to get laid, and it has the risk of getting AMOG'ed.
/r/seduction13/10/14 12:50 AM
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Thing is, I'm from an Asian country, so pretty much everyone is from the same place (not that international). Pretty much everyone did the same highschool curriculum, etc.
/r/seduction13/10/14 12:49 AM
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I think you misunderstood my question. The main issue I have is during social gatherings in my school organisations or as a class. Where basically most people know each other by name... So there's no reason to introduce yourself cuz most of everyone knows each other anyway... The problem is idk how to talk in these groups. It seems like everyone else knows each other better than they know me, and hence I'm left out in a lot of the conversations.
/r/seduction12/10/14 07:21 PM
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Indoor gardener here as well!!! But the thing is when I generally say something quirky about myself, they either give me a serious response (hmm maybe you should ask a gardener -- no shit), or if they're fun they'll same something like (you're weird hAhah what?!). But I see what you mean. It's hard to transition that into normal daily conversations though... So when she's talking about her school and I get bored, I'll just instantly say "hey completely random but any experience with gardening? I…
/r/seduction12/10/14 07:16 PM
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Hmm... I wonder how it seems natural to throw a bit of yourself into the conversation exchange. Using your example, how did you add "how I felt the same way when I work"? Whenever I do it it seems forced and the other person doesn't really care much about it... Kino when you're not private also seems a bit weird... as in in front of friends, etc. How do I overcome this?
/r/seduction12/10/14 12:04 PM
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try something wildly different Suggestions for this? I'm thinking something along the lines of "well this is totally random, but what's your fave dinosaur?" cuz that's how my mind works.
/r/seduction12/10/14 11:33 AM
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There are boring people out there. That's very true, but when most of the conversations you have are like that you can't help but think that the common denominator is you. meaningful open-ended questions I do this, as well as make cold-reads. It still feels like I'm interrogating/interviewing her though... I'm basically asking her all these superficial small-talk questions and it lacks any emotional vibe.
/r/seduction12/10/14 11:32 AM
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Any books you'd recommend that falls into that category. I've read Models and I honestly think it's the #1 book that made me to from a boy to a man.
/r/seduction12/10/14 09:48 AM
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How the fuck do you delve deep into these meaningful conversations, when most of the answers they give you are bland? Example #1: where do you live? X. oh, so that must be convenient yea. Example #2: what do you study? Y. what's that like? it's not bad, kinda busy though [...] These were literally the past conversations I had with a girl.
/r/seduction12/10/14 09:40 AM
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Everything is solid advice. Touching women is definitely good advice, but where do you draw the line. It feels fine if you're hugging a girl you haven't seen in a long time or are good friends with, but would it not feel weird to do so to someone you've only spoken with once? Where I'm from, I rarely see other guys hug a girl when they meet her, as a result, it might seem a bit weird to other people.
/r/seduction12/10/14 08:24 AM
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I should really join more societies
/r/seduction12/10/14 05:31 AM
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Solid relatable advice right here.
/r/seduction12/10/14 02:49 AM
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It really depends on culture and age (I'm in college) Where I'm from (Asia) Facebook is 90% of your social proof. If your photos have more than 50 likes you're good, if over 100 you're popular, etc. I fucking hate it cuz it feels like a high maintenance thing to use Facebook, when I have better things to do. I hate it cuz I deactivated my Facebook a while ago and never update it. My profile pic has like 8 likes and everything else except my timeline is deserted...
/r/seduction12/10/14 02:44 AM
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I prefer the mentality: Win or Learn, there is no lose.
/r/seduction12/10/14 02:42 AM
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You're funny. I like you.
/r/seduction12/10/14 02:41 AM
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Keep going man, this is a godsend!! Would be real awesome if you could expand on the "hot groups" section -- this is the main area which I, and judging by the popularity of this thread, where most people are also struggling with. Seriously great advice!!!!
/r/seduction12/10/14 02:32 AM
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Your advice doesn't work Let's say I'm talking to A. Suddenly B enters the conversation and speaks with A, A responds back. Now I'm left there alone and listening to someone else's conversation, where they're not even looking at me.
/r/seduction12/10/14 02:25 AM
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I'm talking to advice specific to large groups though. And not a "civilised" or formal group at that where everyone waits for their turn to speak and is polite, but more of a large group of friends and classmates.
/r/seduction12/10/14 02:22 AM
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The thing is I'm a douchebag on the inside. Sure that will get me laid... but I've spent the better half of my life (esp. throughout highschool) suppressing that assertive, dominant, carefree, give-no-shit-about-what-you-think part of me. Mainly because I had an epiphany one day that nobody liked me. It hasn't changed much now though, not a lot of ppl like me, but at least they don't hate me... I'm not sure I can use your advice in "do not avoid hiding who you are" and "embracing yourself"...
/r/seduction11/10/14 04:57 PM
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It's great to know when you're not alone! I feel like vibing is really crucial, though I'm not sure how to always be pumped and contribute to social situations (offering value) by giving energy and positivity. ESPECIALLY when it's in large groups when you're easily dominated and your voice is pretty much drowned by the the crowds!
/r/seduction11/10/14 04:16 PM
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This is false. This issue is something you should deal with right off the bat before college emerges. I regret not having done this back in my highschool days -- looking back it was the perfect environment of a simulation of real-life societies, and a great platform to practice some of this subreddit's advice.
/r/seduction11/10/14 03:31 PM
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This must be quite a tough question. 30+ upvotes in the past 7 hours and still nobody with some solid applicable advice! I'm glad I asked this and I look forward to your responses!
/r/seduction11/10/14 03:30 PM
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Whenever I make small talk, it's not so bad that I consciously think of running away or getting bored as fuck, just that it always seems quite bland. Part of this comes from the fact that most of the people I talk to give me uninteresting answers that lack any emotion -- hence it feels like the interview mode on my side. I really want to improve this and I think it really comes down to the vibe. Women respond to emotions and vibes, guys to logic. Most of the questions I ask are quite cut-and-dry…
/r/seduction11/10/14 03:19 PM
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/r/seduction08/10/14 02:05 PM
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A lot. I'm only 19 (graduated highschool a year and a half ago), and if I knew half the things I do now, I'd be drowning in pussy back then.
/r/seduction08/10/14 08:11 AM
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I'm thinking I'll just tell him straight up that I like to joke around, especially with close mates, and sometimes I go overboard. This was one of those times (I shouldn't have called him a disgrace, that was out of character), and I'll try to tone it down a bit. Then offer to shake his hand and pull him in for a hug (sets the mood as fun and cool instead of awkwardness) I feel like this would pretty much be an indirect apology and admitting that I'm wrong, reassure him that our friendship is st…
/r/seduction07/10/14 12:22 PM
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I like this idea. I feel like I should frame it so that this is what I do, this is how I roll, and let him consciously know that sometimes I go too far and it's something he'll have to deal with or tell me when it happens. Something like "Hey, you know, I have a tendency to joke around with my close mates (qualify) and sometimes I'll inevitably cross the line. You're right, I shouldn't have said that you were a disgrace." Or should I go another route "I have a great respect for people wanting to…
/r/seduction07/10/14 12:02 PM
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Okay thanks for this. As a child, I had been bullying people in primary school. This stopped when I realized that nobody liked me. And this epiphany drove me to depression for four years and this insecurity made me reject social interactions for a long time. It was only until last year, when I realized that it's better to make mistakes along the way than to not even try, that got me started on my self-improvement journey. Anyway, because of this, the LAST thing I want to do is to come off as a d…
/r/seduction07/10/14 11:27 AM
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How often do you get made fun of for your last name, Mr Gross? Great talk by the way! :)
/r/seduction07/10/14 10:03 AM
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I complete agree. Always lacked a father figure, and reading Models, hitting the gym, developing beneficial habits and removing poor habits over the past year made me a better person overall. One year ago I struggled to wake up in the morning, and every night, I wouldn't even bother brushing my teeth. This year, I've developed beneficial habits like meditating, lifting, dieting, etc. Though I still have a lot to improve on when it comes to being social!
/r/TheRedPill04/10/14 01:43 PM
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Thankfully, I live in a place where the culture is more closed off especially when it comes to sex (I'm in college and 97% of the class are virgins, probably 75% have never had a boyfriend/girlfriend) This has its perks as well as disadvantages, though...
/r/seduction04/10/14 06:53 AM
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Not sure how though. Any tips to get started early and strong in the conversation to keep the momentum going?
/r/seduction04/10/14 03:36 AM
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It happens around the world as well. Basically people talk over each other. Basically there's always this guy in the group that tries to talk for five times but keeps getting interrupted. I'm that guy so at one point I don't even try. How do you build dominance over a conversation where at the very least you have social power, where when you talk people look at you and don't interrupt?
/r/seduction04/10/14 03:11 AM
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How do I build up and use my social power though?
/r/seduction04/10/14 03:09 AM
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These topics are great and are actually topics I find interesting, but they NEVER get discussed. Most of the time in groups people that already know each other through mutual friends will talk about random shit that I don't find interesting. Sports. Games. Etcetc. Which sucks cuz then I just feel left out.
/r/seduction04/10/14 03:08 AM
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How do you suggest I become assertive early?
/r/seduction04/10/14 03:02 AM
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Quite right. Storytelling isn't my best attribute especially when it comes to talking about things in not interested in, so I usually listen. I don't wanna ask too many questions either to show my inaptitude in the subject manner (religion or news). How do you suggest I DHV?
/r/seduction04/10/14 03:02 AM
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I don't really understand how you do this. First of all you may be at a vantage point (in the middle of the table), then what?
/r/seduction04/10/14 03:00 AM
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It's kinda an Asian culture thing. Being the dominant one is definitely what I want, but I think we both see dominant as different things. For me, being dominant is simply for me to be "at ease" with all the chaos, and to, in a sense, be the sense of authority and center of attention of the conversation. Where even if I'm listening, people would look in my direction. And when I'm talking, people quiet down and listen instead of interrupting me. This is dominance, and it takes a lot of social acu…
/r/seduction03/10/14 05:12 PM
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if you play it right. Any other tips besides this? I can pretend to be a great listener, I know this for a fact. But as I said, in group conversations I'm so fucking distracted most of what they say flies past my head. But most importantly, listening is pretty useless in group conversations. People are always talking over each other (if there's one thing I hate it's chaos). People are always talking to each other about obscure topics I don't know about. Sure, you could be the greatest listener i…
/r/seduction03/10/14 05:04 PM
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How does one become the center of attention and "in control" in group conversations?
/r/seduction03/10/14 04:23 PM
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Most people claim that girls dislike when they're being approached on with the opener "you look cute" or something to refer to their physical attractiveness. This goes completely against seddit's straightforward, direct, no-beating-around-the-bush, clear-intent approach. Curious to what you playas think!
/r/seduction03/10/14 04:09 PM
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I know what the issue is, and I agree with you. What solutions do you propose? How do I make small talk more fun for both parties?
/r/seduction02/10/14 08:53 PM
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That seems to be the vibe I'm giving off unfortunately. I used to not take care of myself and have no boundaries, and I guess I overcorrected it now in having this high sense of egocentrism (i.e. I only talk to people who are worth my time). Any tips on changing this and simply becoming a more approachable and socially likeable person?
/r/seduction02/10/14 02:07 PM
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That's a good point. Is there any scientific proof though... This is all great and I don't really fear death, I'd just prefer to die any other way than being bear food.
/r/seduction02/10/14 05:06 AM
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Thanks for this response. I agree with you. It's something I want to work on, but I'm not sure how. For starters, small talk are completely boring and I can't stand more than one minute of it. I can't help but keep thinking there are better things to do with my time than talking with someone that's really slow, vapid, and boring. Example: whenever I talk to my classmates it's mostly about academics... -.- Is there a way to change this and make it fun for both parties, and perhaps find a way to a…
/r/seduction02/10/14 05:01 AM
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This is a great response. Vibing is definitely essential, for the reasons you mentioned. I like the idea of changing my mindset to conversations that seem unworthy, to conversations that I could practice vibing on and have fun with. I usually put off a fun and casual vibe when I'm in a good mood, but most of the time, when I'm in my head too much, I tend to be more closed-off. I'm hoping for ways to keep this casual and fun vibe ongoing and hopefully to make it a part of my personality/rep.
/r/seduction02/10/14 04:59 AM
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The thing is, I think I overcorrected myself. 1 year ago I was clinically depressed, too shy to talk to anyone, sometimes I wouldn't even have the courage to leave the house... that all changed when I realized I just had to accept myself. Now, I absolutely love my life and I've never been any happier, and it's because I set boundaries for myself on what I will let into myself, and who I am willing to spend time with. Ultimately, I'm much happier living this lifestyle, but as I said, I think I'll…
/r/seduction02/10/14 04:56 AM
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I do try, but somehow people don't get that impression of me, compared with other people. It's all about the "packaging". They say we judge people by their actions and ourselves by our intentions. Some guy could be a douchebag on the inside, but if he can engage in small talk, smile, and make people happy, he's instantly likeable. Whereas I consider myself a nice guy (with the exception that I don't put other people's needs before mine), and although I'm not universally hated, I'd like to be mor…
/r/seduction02/10/14 03:39 AM
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This. Honestly the only thing prohibiting me from interacting with "hot girls" especially in a small community like college, is because of the stigma. It's fine if you interact with average girls. But if you interact with a pretty girl, everyone naturally thinks you have a sexual incentive -- when she is just another human being. I couldn't give less of a shit, and sometimes I try to steer away from the people that think this way (mostly because it affects my mentality). But now I'm just gonna r…
/r/seduction24/09/14 12:22 PM
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Same boat. Same age. Mostly using this subreddit as a means of self-improvement. I feel my life, and the enrichment of my life, is more important than a girl (or any other person in the world). Because otherwise, if your life isn't enriched, what's the point of bringing another person into it?
/r/seduction24/09/14 12:19 PM
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I have a very similar backstory with you, and at the same age, I was wondering what other aspects of your life are you currently improving. You seem like a relatable guy, and I'd love to hear your story! Also, you should add mindfulness or meditation to the list. While I haven't gotten into meditating yet, it's something that I look forward to including in my morning ritual in hopes that it will simplify my life and improve my focus
/r/seduction24/09/14 12:13 PM
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I do something similar: Physical. Intellectual. and Spiritual/Social (i.e. Manliness Inner Game shit)
/r/seduction24/09/14 12:10 PM
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Same age. Pretty much the same backstory (was a shy, insecure, fat, and introverted person one year ago -- over the past year, I've become more confident, slimmer, and, while I'm still an introvert, I've learnt to accept it and play onto my strengths). Like you said, I could easily walk up to some guy and ask what shirt he's wearing now. Compared to one year ago, when I couldn't even give someone eye contact for more than 2 seconds. A thing I'm still having trouble with is small talk. It seems v…
/r/seduction24/09/14 12:09 PM
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Yeah i know it's important. That's why I wanna know what you guys do with your hands when you talk. It feels kinda uncomfortable having them on both sides. EVEN if I'm not talking to someone and just standing on the street.
/r/seduction18/09/14 12:03 AM
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Funny enough, although most of my male friends are straight (myself included), there's always a sexual sub-context. We'd be 'mirin each other's hard work at the gym, we give each other bro hugs, etc. And we mostly do it for fun and ironically, to show affection as well as not to take things too seriously. But I feel like if you did these things with a female friend you're not interested, it's kinda weird. It's fine with someone you're attracted to. But with someone you're not, it doesn't work. I…
/r/seduction16/09/14 03:54 AM
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It's to talk with anyone. As not be bored by it.
/r/seduction15/09/14 05:23 PM
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I share the same philosophy or belief. I realize I'm not good at small talk but I'm not sure which areas to improve. I know and could do convo threading, but I feel it's very bland and vapid. I guess I'm looking for tips to spice up the conversation both for my amusements sake, as well as for having a stronger emotional connection with the person I'm talking to.
/r/seduction15/09/14 03:31 PM
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I've accepted it, but at the same time I'm constantly wanting to improve. The fact that we share similar stories makes me eager to hear yours! How did you manage to improve your conversation d social skills?
/r/seduction15/09/14 02:19 PM
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Sometimes, they'll be like "I'm joking, why are you so uptight?" What then. How do I make it clear.
/r/seduction15/09/14 02:17 PM
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It feels unnatural cuz I have no experience when it comes to talk to girls who I'm not attracted to. I'm awkward around my female cousins as well (partly cuz I only have one and she's way older than me).
/r/seduction15/09/14 02:15 PM
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Right, I understand. Like I said, I want to talk to them, and potentially become good friends. I just don't know how? It feels unnatural for a man to speak with a woman, yet have no sexual tension. I'm wondering how you experts manage or do this?
/r/seduction15/09/14 10:24 AM
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Conversation Threading is a pretty good basic technique. But it seems pretty bland if all you're doing seems to be interview questions. Both of you know you're just going through small talk to pass time, the conversation, while "threaded", would seem dull and vapid. How do you change this? Also, what happens if suddenly her friends join in on the conversation. Where her attention is directed to her friends, instead of at you. And you're just left alone not knowing wtf to do.
/r/seduction15/09/14 09:33 AM
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The take home message for me is that: "You can learn something from everyone in different walks of life." This is really true. It applies to haters, it applies to the people less fortunate, it applies to your role models. Treat everything as a learning experience to enrich your life, not deter it.
/r/seduction15/09/14 09:20 AM
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Thanks for a comment showing the other POV. I agree with OP's central message that self-acceptance really is key. Personally, I use this sub-reddit for self-improvement as opposed to its intended purpose. And in accepting myself, I just become a shit ton happier, regardless of whether chicks love it or not, regardless of what other people may think. I can't imagine a better way to live my life to accepting who you are, while still having the courage to push and progressively improve yourself. Bu…
/r/seduction15/09/14 09:18 AM
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Accepting who you are and being honest to yourself is undoubtedly an important part of living a healthy life, but is expressing the feeling completely necessary? I may be bored when chatting to someone, or simply tired. I think we'd both agree that it'd be rude for me to say "I'm bored by this conversation, you're boring". With regards to asserting myself, what do you suppose I could say. I'm sure we've all dealt with some buddies that just love throwing jokes at you, and most of the time you're…
/r/seduction15/09/14 09:10 AM
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