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I don't take the Matrix metaphor too seriously. It's understood among most without excessive pondering that the blue pill is just conventional thinking. How much of it is purposeful brainwashing to keep the machine going, how much of it is something else, honestly irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 09:09 AM
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It is? How? Men value casual sex more than women do, this allows women to be far more selective in who they have sex with than men. That is why they are the gatekeepers of sex, and men are the gatekeepers of relationships. I don't really agree with all your criteria of what it takes to be "sexually attractive" in the west, but rather than address the minutia I'll just say what you describe is hardly the average man. Attainable yes, but things like orthodontics, disposable income to buy clothes a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 09:03 AM
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Uh so is the TLDR of your TLDR simply 'RP shouldn't dislike BP because BP is the default and the metaphorical 'matrix'? I mean, no kidding.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 07:38 AM
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This for the most part. It matters little about the proclivities of individual women (or men) when discussing feminism in this context. Feminism is mainstream, and many are bandwagoners by nature. Movements like metoo and sjw culture are thus adopted en masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 01:59 AM
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Actually or more specifically, a lot of red and black pillers can concede it's obviously easier and more realistic to try to date or fuck across than up, but as a man it's harder - ergo as a woman it's easier in a society that enables female entitlement and gynocentricism, supply and demand yada yada, to branch swing or be on the lookout for someone better. They blame women for their hypergamy, both in nature and actual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 01:55 AM
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My point is masculinity is innate and evolved to such in order to ensure survival, not learned and not the result of whatever type of faulty institutional or social conditioning SJWs love to harp on. You actually agree with me when you say basically that in modern peaceful society(s) aggression, hostility, physical strength, violence et al are not necessary. Manifestations of masculinity which threaten said society's stability are deemed bad. There is simply not nearly as much of a need for many…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/18 01:05 AM
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Masculinity is just masculinity, and can be manifested in all types of negative and positive ways. At its core, masculinity and all associated hormones (eg testosterone) can fuel aggression, hostility, violence, all of which are key to survival. In times of peaceful civilization, certain types of expressions of masculinity become both less necessary and threatening to those with interests in maintaining societal stability - which is understandable - and yet this is why masculinity in part, and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 04:54 PM
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Question for women: If your bf or husband has way more money and time than you have time or desire for use of money, is it okay if he spends his time and money on other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 07:43 PM
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Again, you are just pointing out places (mostly online) where this type of "thought" is concentrated. This is a bad sample to represent mainstream thought. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2018/08/plus-size-model-tess-holliday-s-cover-of-cosmopolitan-creates-controversy.html Another example along with countless other media, including multimillion dollar franchises definitely not restricted to online consumption (eg Ghostbusters, Star Wars, the Ocean series, ...and fucking..Terminator?). …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 06:08 PM
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How has it gone mainstream? Provide some examples / evidence. If it has gone mainstream, it should be having an impact on my life, right? I'd see it, too. I'm going to assume you are being serious. You say you don't live under a rock, for which I'll take your word. Maybe it's because I live in a fairly liberal city albeit in a red state, but Boston isn't bumblefuck, Kentucky, no offense to anyone who actually lives there, beautiful courthouse I've heard. In any case, feminist concepts along with…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 05:44 PM
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I wasn't aware this was a contest or that I would be presumed evasive before proven innocent. I suppose the reason why I didn't address the latter portion of your response was because I wasn't sure exactly what you meant. To me it's obvious feminism has gone mainstream, some would say to its detriment and to the dismay of the more fervent and dogmatic. To restate my point - you talked about the danger of fixating on potential negative female behaviour - and my response is literally it is no diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 05:27 PM
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o, it is targeting men who are low SMV and then by default also low RMV. Men who are generally unattractive, to be clear, where attractiveness is define as: looks, smarts, personality/character and "values" (latter for LTRs only). Low SMV and low RMV men may arguably be more likely to find TRP valuable, but that doesn't change the fact that TRP is meant to be helpful and utilized by all [presumably straight] men. In the same way many religions are meant for "everyone", but appeal more to, for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 05:16 PM
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A certain subset of men. Need to be clear about that. Why the need for clarity? The target audience for TRP is men in a broad sense even if not all men agree with it or like it. They are largely irrelevant. Till I started reading PPD for shits and giggles, I have never heard anyone in real life talk about these: toxic masculinity, feminism, gender wars or any such malarkey. It does not impact me in the slightest. Am I a special snowflake? My experience doesn't match yours, but I'm at a loss as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 05:05 PM
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The reason for this fixation is because RP acts as a type of awakening with men as the target audience. Can you honestly say feminism and other associated ideologies don't fixated on potential negatives of male behaviour?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 04:44 PM
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Like "misogyny". [Toxic masculinity] now means everything from "true hatred of women" to "disagrees with a woman" to "will not give a woman what she demands". Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 04:34 PM
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The "misogyny" present in RP is just all the revelation about women and female nature previously hidden in mainstream Rx considered negative and unpalatable. Men have their fair share of undesirable traits, but the difference is this isn't hidden from women and women are not deceived their entire lives on how men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 02:59 PM
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A naturally high sex drive causing us, esp. the young and inexperienced, to do stupid shit and make stupid sacrifices completely against our long term or pragmatic interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 05:39 AM
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I don't treat everyone like shit, I'm not sure why you would assume that. Some TRP people do. RP prescribes the projection of extroversion, confidence and assertiveness, esp. when meeting women, which is not the same thing and in no way garners shitty responses from people and in fact brings about respect and positive reaction. On the contrary, being nice is also no guarantee of reciprocation by a long shot especially when it comes to something as uncontrollable and primal as attraction and chem…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 07:20 PM
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They aren't hard scientific truths in that I don't have multiple studies with confirmed results of tested hypotheses, but I don't think that was my point here nor the question. Point actually being there are many adherents of TRP who maintain a solid moral framework and don't descend into depravity or nihilism. Personally I believe TRP "truths" because their validity and usefulness are confirmed to me via experience and observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 08:31 AM
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I think people who emotionally and cognitively invest in TRP differ in how they interpret and use the information. For me personally TRP reveals to me previously obscured truths re: human nature and as a result I am more knowledgeable and prepared to carry myself socially in the real world to achieve my goals. My goals don't really change because of TRP; to elaborate with an example even though you could theoretically use RP to spin plates I still think it's wrong unless it is via mutual agreeme…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 05:54 AM
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It's absolutely true you can cultivate a personality that attracts women, but it does little good for men -until they wake up one day that is - if it's not the type of persona society prescribes. To further elaborate upon what we already talked about, men are not only expected to adhere to societal prescriptions, but also to put in work to become attractive to women when societal prescriptions fail them. Therein lies the irony and reason why I originally typed the snarky response to OP's thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 12:32 AM
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What I meant is that I understand that our society’s men are poorly conditioned. Then we're good, that was the entire purpose of my original comment. But that’s still no excuse. There’s fault and there’s responsibility. It’s not our fault that our society fucked us. It is our responsibility to fix it and to step up and work for better lives. Agreed. But a lot of people view this as a zero sum either/or scenario. Addressing personal responsibility and insitutional woes are equally important. On a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:28 PM
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I'm having trouble following. You talk about the obvious importance of hard work to get results (I mean, no kidding) but it doesn't negate the fact that men are led astray, as you admitted, which was my entire point. For the record I love exercising and prefer it to leisure or sedentary activity, mainly because my hobbies are mostly sports. But this is irrelevant. The video game thing was an example. I do know of people whose hobbies and life revolve around video games and competing, and I see n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:12 PM
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Then I would say the advice is largely generic and oversimplified. You can't say "just be yourself" when it absolutely matters who "yourself" is. What if you hate exercise and enjoy playing video games so much you can do it for hours? Exercise is naturally repulsive to many people. What if you are naturally passive or self conscious and not the assertive type? "Be yourself" doesn't work if it's actually "Be yourself, but have a variety of hobbies and interests, be confident, dgaf, be socially ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 03:59 PM
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Again, I'm not disagreeing that you need to work (or should) to be attractive. My original comment was tongue in cheek/sarcasm to counter what men are often told their entire lives. "Women want sensitive guys" "Just be yourself" "Women like men who are comfortable with themselves" As far as I know TRP advocates self improvement and behavioral changes, genuine or superficial, in order to attract women. There's a lot about TRP I dislike since it's such a broad label but inaction or complacency are…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 03:17 AM
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To an extent it is since your hobbies, lifestyle, career etc. factor heavily into yourself as a person. Regardless, if you need to have a fit body and financial stability for women to consider you, that basically means everything else about you, including your personality, matters little because those alone are not enough if not completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 03:29 AM
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Whatever happened to just be yourself, women like men who are comfortable with themselves, you shouldn't have to go out of your way to change yourself for others, etc? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 10:09 PM
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Because biology is to an extent set in stone and not malleable. Men and women, and humans basically, will have preexisting tendencies positive and negative. AWALT and AMALT refer to the negative ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 02:24 AM
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The Blue Pill says being yourself, being sensitive/kind, and being a responsible provider are more important traits when attracting women than being goodlooking, having social status, and dominant behavior. It's what guys are fed their entire lives. The indoctrination is so incredibly broad and persistent guys constantly employ all types of mental gymnastics in the face of repeated evidence and observation contrary to what they are taught in order to cope or reason. This often occurs even after …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 01:42 AM
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The preference is another threat to feminism and runaway progressivism telling women they should be able to fuck whomever they want whenever they want and do whatever they want to their body and with their life. Which is absolutely the case. The problem comes when men are shamed for not being okay with it when seeking long-term partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 05:30 PM
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Adding to this the resentment men feel when learning RP ideas and seeing them validated through observation and experiences because they feel 1) lied to their entire lives and 2) the lies and BP culture still exist as the default, so it never entirely feels like a solution was discovered and a problem fixed, even if a man enjoys significant success practicing RP thereafter. There is also something unavoidably cold and depressing about RP truths as it runs so contrary to the positivity in which B…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 01:28 AM
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You do realize that there is no formal BP position at all right? Even RP can't agree on their own position, forget the position or definition of BP in the eyes of RPers. The BP position is what is generally taught to people, in this case boys/men, as they grow up, in this case re: how to attract women. I'm not sure how the latter is relevant. Disagreement among RPers is fine as it isn't meant to be some giant cohesive echo chamber although sometimes it certainly feels that way. RPers have differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:40 PM
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Maybe I was a slow learner or maybe things are changing or both, but I think these are things a guy has to figure out for himself through extensive observation or experience. From what I've seen there are still plenty of doormat men who place women on pedestals en masse who think it is the way to woo women as prescribed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:34 PM
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Self-care, being fit, and standing up for yourself are not really BP strategies. BP may not be explicitly against these but the emphasis is minimized if not foregone altogether. Self-care and working out, even if encouraged, are prescribed as secondary at best and shallow at worst. Instead, BP indoctrination tells men to focus on being kind and sensitive individuals and placate to the current zeitgeist being progressive feminist ideals. Being outspoken and standing up for one's beliefs is only e…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 07:43 AM
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Yes there are terpers who say it all the time. I didn’t say you. That's like saying there are feminists who believe a woman's voice should be superseded by her husband's. Essentially that they aren't real feminists. TRP ideology invests heavily in game and PUA behavior, and if only looks matter game would be useless - coincidentally what a lot of blackpillers and incels believe. TRPers who believe in looks-only are not TRPers. It’s also not different attraction. It is how it works. How is initia…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 03:45 AM
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B/c often times what is labeled toxic masculinity is just masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 03:39 AM
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I never said women are attracted only to looks. There is nothing in TRP that states this - if anything TRP is constantly arguing that looks are a minimal issue re: success with women - constantly arguing often with blackpillers, incels, looksmaxxers, and other parts of the manosphere. You yourself said this "only looks matter" thing is a black pill belief. I also don't believe attraction that is generated over time is any less genuine. But it's a different type of attraction that many men in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 03:18 AM
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Which belief are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 03:12 AM
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They are enlightened in that they reveal and speak the truth. That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of fucked up and stupid people who misinterpret or use the truth in ways that hurt themselves and others. I'm red pill because I believe TRP truths and it gives me a sobering perspective on the world and how it works, but I disagree with a lot of the prescribed behaviors such as deceiving and breaking trust in order to spin plates, and so on. Lying and pretending you're someone you're not will get…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 03:07 AM
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Both men and women often make the mistake of assuming the opposite sex thinks just like them - and employ a faulty strategy accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 03:01 AM
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When I say "drawn" I am talking about primal lust or attraction, due to either the man's looks or behavior which signal positive traits about the man himself. I think that's just splitting hairs and irrelevant here. Ditto with looks not being everything, I don't disagree there, nor does TRP. Again, many men understand that there are women who are incapable of feeling immediate lust and attraction. That does not stop them from trying or wanting to be a man who elicits said immediate attraction in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 02:58 AM
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Some of them are ignorant. Others are not. They just want to become the type of man many women feel immediately drawn to. They get that they won't be able to attract all women. For them it has nothing to do with ignorance, maybe fucked up priorities or narcissism, but not the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 02:50 AM
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So in essence little to no correlation, or at least, different correlations and causations to the effect that you can't assume much about someone by how goodlooking or ugly they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 02:41 AM
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There are women who are unable to feel attraction toward a man unless she gets to know him or there is sufficient time for attraction to be generated. The point still stands RP men prize immediate attraction above other kinds because it is the only kind of attraction with which they feel validated as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 02:40 AM
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Women will fuck men just for their looks. They will fuck men just for their money. They will fuck men just for their status. Or all of the above. Yeah, if many men were to choose, they would pick the first as it implies inherent genetic value. But there's no denying that women with thirst for providers exist in huge numbers, and do have sex with men for this reason. I'm not sure what you are trying to argue. If you are one of those hyperbolic lookists who won't be satisfied until I say looks is …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 07:25 PM
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Because they value looks over money or status. They also can attribute looks and youth to status. To deny status and social standing matters is cope. LMS is also relative. If everyone in your social circle (or country) is broke, the least broke man wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 07:06 PM
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That is nonsense. Women don't take long to figure out if they are ever going to sleep with the men they just met, or not. Attraction is not negotionable. What the women mean, is that they eventually discovered that the guy has the potential to be a good daddy and hubby, aka, he'll be making good money few years from now, so they'll pretend to be into him. So which is it? Women know right away if they will sleep with a guy, whether LTR or casual fling, or that women eventually discover a guy's go…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 06:48 PM
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Yeah point taken. The traditional contract was always a thing. Men being okay with their role as ATM and provider as they were in turn promised loyal feminine women devoting their lives to raising children and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 06:46 PM
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Isn't that a simple case of you feeling that the woman is more attractive than the man because she's a woman, and guys always give women leeway because she has a pussy? Where is this place where women are several places above her partner in SMV? The pussy pass is a real thing, but I don't think red or blackpilled men have this problem. I wouldn't have or need the time to show examples of couples where the woman is much higher than the man in SMV - the key being the man is possibly [much] higher …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 06:41 PM
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It also just injures a man's primal need to feel valuable and attractive as an organism, as base as that sounds. I want to say no man should feel ok about being a woman's settling betabux option, but there are plenty of men in this day and age who are completely oblivious and fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 06:10 PM
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I haven't really sat down to analyze this but from what I've observed there really isn't too much of a correlation between a man's SMV and how nice/douche he is. I come across many high-SMV men who have all the reason and leeway in the world to be dicks but are actually very personable or friendly. You may attribute this to a line of reasoning that follows high SMV men (who also grew up with high SMV) have less reason to develop distrusting shitty attitudes due to a lifetime of positive reinforc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 05:45 PM
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Yuuup.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 05:31 PM
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Agreed. It's also about height, frame, behavior, social standing/status, power (real or perceived), and so on. The main point being the attraction needs to be there upon relatively initial interaction, not something that comes later on because the brain/heart has a change of mind because he seems to have good provider traits despite all his flaws and low SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 05:12 PM
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"The biggest victims when men rape women are actually men. It happens to their daughters, wives, and sisters."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 08:22 AM
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Maybe over time. Another frequent observation or should I see feedback is plenty of women saying they found their SO unattractive at first but found reasons to feel attracted over time after falling in love with their personality. Most RP men would take no comfort in the latter, as they prize initial visceral attraction. It is what it is. And yeah, most men are bad at assessing looks, no argument there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 07:57 AM
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Countless anecdotal evidence and observation of couples where the woman is a solid few points higher than the guy in looks would say otherwise. If these same women were just looking for a hot and steamy ONS would guys with the same looks ratings as their SOs suffice? I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 07:47 AM
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Started to respond, read this post, realized it says what I wanted to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 07:18 AM
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But a man's personal will need not be aligned with society's will to be valuable to women, if that's relevant at all here. Hence bad boys, criminal and serial killer heartthrobs, and so on. As long as he is strong enough to fixate solely on the fulfillment of his own will, that is often enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 10:54 AM
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I don't understand the "It's just a fantasy" argument. Surely there are elements of exaggeration, but at the absolute least fantasies carry heavy implications about one's desires, if they are not direct reflections and revelations of truth. "Don't worry, I just fantasize about sex with rough muscular big-dicked men, but you're the one I want to be with forever." Smh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 02:58 AM
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I am red (and to an extent black) pill not really because I support PUA tactics and game, but because I believe it works and I believe the truths re: the dynamic of male-female interactions and relationships as dictated by biology no matter how un-PC they may be. I find the truths very cold, depressing and nihilistic at times; if I were honest a large part of me constantly wants to be proven wrong and looks for instances which disprove RP ideas and rules. I constantly give BP arguments the benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 08:28 PM
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Seems fairly straightforward. Men want sex, women want commitment. Attractive men and women have more power to get sex and commitment respectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 08:21 PM
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Looks and personality are both heavily influenced by biology, and both are able to be altered or improved via work and cultivation. But good looks is seen as shallow because it is literally skin deep and very easy to appreciate. We as humans are programmed with primal triggers to be drawn to goodlooking people immediately, and also attribute a myriad of positive traits to these individuals. It is up for debate but many would also argue that one's looks are less malleable and more set in stone fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:27 AM
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Hurts men more. "Women are wonderful" plays out the implication that "men are not wonderful" and the opposite. In society the consequences are worse for the stigmatized than for those having trouble living up to positive labels and standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 10:49 AM
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Women are picky about looks for ONS or short term flings, not LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 10:39 AM
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Lol yeah I almost thought this was just trolling. I'm thinking OP is meant to be a faulty post but just looking for responses as a type of debate exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 07:21 AM
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Since you seem to view the world as an arena for some type of zero sum sexual competition game you could also say it's pointless for me to be friends with other men as well and to provide any type of assistance or support since I am sexually competing with them. Why bother helping anyone at all then, although my own misanthropic tendencies do tend to run in line with this, but it's not BP/RP related.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 06:23 PM
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Even if it predates TRP or is common sense to you it's still very much associated with TRP and is eye-opening advice to many men and contrary to what boys are taught these days growing up. Good on you for being smarter than the average bear, even as the evidence flew right in my face for some reason I still thought being kind and sensitive trumped all as an awkward teenager even as I watched the most asshole guys with high status get all the girls. My other observation is that it wasn't necessar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 06:16 PM
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Sure, plenty of bitterness in RP circles. That tends to happen when men come across revelation contrary to what they've been taught their entire lives and realize (or perceive) they've been lied to all this time. But also, TRP teaches men how to sleep with as many women as possible by changing the way they act and potentially communicating to women someone they are not. This would be like advice for women tricking men into commitment or paying for all her shit, which already exists in the defaul…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 06:11 PM
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The advice is valid, but more than half of those points are TRP related.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 01:59 PM
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Fairly high IQ posting from you tbh which is surprising and refreshing. Take no offense I assumed you were the typical aspie-cel looksmaxxing poster frequenting incel forums, you can blame the demographic for my bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 01:56 PM
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Women don't want low-value men having the answers, then it gets harder to tell the low value men from high value men. Also why women hate TRP and PUA. PUA and game allow men to fraud their value.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 01:53 PM
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The idea behind TRP pickup game is to mimic being alpha, so lying about intentions is like lying about being alpha, which is the standard and thus there is no dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 02:26 AM
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You mean soy. Have an upvote you bastard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:02 PM
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The first time I ever saw breasts they also looked much weirder and larger than expected and it kind of freaked me out. But they grew on me over time. Or maybe also I had a lucky first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 07:12 PM
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Lol paraphrasing standup comic Sam Morril - Gay men telling us who the hot women are is like straight men telling gay men what the best Broadway musicals should be. "And the award this year goes to...Rocky again."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 07:09 PM
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Ok so Chad doesn't give women gina tingles then? It's all purely emotional or pragmatic?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 07:05 PM
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It's more than just believing at face value. Men are wired to be sympathetic to women, to lilting and imploring female voices. We believe women because everything in our brains and hearts tells us and wants us to. Even if consciously and logically you know she's straight up full of shit the man unconsciously wants to believe she's not, or tries to justify it some other way on her behalf. This is undoubtedly true for all BP men but even as RP men we are constantly vulnerable and in danger of back…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 06:41 PM
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Normal life decisions have limited implications. I get the importance and idea but when it comes to shit like "where would you like to go for dinner", a lot of times I really don't care. Might as well let the other person choose if they have a preference, otherwise just randomly choose a place and be done with it. I just don't see indecisiveness in these types of situations to be indicative of a man's durability or prowess under stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:23 AM
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I almost created a new thread but felt it wasn't different or separate enough in content from this one, but I would be interested in hearing everyone's thoughts. If sexual tension is a primary factor for why men and women cannot truly be friends, or at least cannot be nearly as close or good friends, isn't there also competitive tension between men that prevents them from being as altruistic or helpful toward one another? Do you think a lot of this has to do with men being fine with not as much …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:16 AM
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Some part of it may have to do with how monogamy is socially and legally enforced and polygamy is still frowned upon in the postmodern west. This serves the female sexual imperative more than the male one. Men realize if they can only have one woman they want her to be a 10. Women are inherently picky by nature and men become picky by nurture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 07:21 AM
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TIL 3% of the ice in antarctica is penguin piss.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 05:01 AM
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UNO is one of those games you play the wrong way your entire life, then you find out you are playing it the wrong way, then you just continue to play it the wrong way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:58 AM
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RP works like a charm. Unfortunately it does little for your own ego, which often matters more than getting sex, because you know she doesn't like you for who you really are, unless your personality already closely resembles that of the ideal RP prescription. As a guy with major insecurities, I have always gotten the most validation when women still like me after I am just my awkward dorky self rather than when trying to maintain any type of frame - something a complete waste of time if you have…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:07 AM
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Slut shaming is bad for men actually. Until white knighting is equally shamed, men will be at a disadvantage in the dating game.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 03:51 AM
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Again, I see merit in what you are saying but what do you expect men to do? Do you honestly feel, in a world where social circles out of convenience are inherently co-ed, or in my case, largely female, that you feel men should forego conversation or interaction if the peers in one's surroundings have a vagina? One of the inherently unfair things about friendship may be that the benefits both parties receive resemble largely more of that of a committed long term relationship (eg emotional support…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 03:43 AM
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The thirst for bragging rights and validation is real, sometimes more important to men than the sex itself. There is an old joke, where a guy finds himself stranded on an island with Cindy Crawford. Over a period of time nature takes its course and the two start having sex. All kinds of sex, until one day the guy realizes there isn't any more types of sex he possibly needs or wants more of. Then one day Cindy goes "You know I love you and we have been together through this for so long, I would d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 01:51 AM
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social media won't increase their SMV, it will just advertise the fact that they have a relatively low SMV to a lot more people There are plenty of both men and women who find ways to exaggerate or make their lives out to be much more exciting than they actually are on social media through selective posts, photos, check-ins, whathaveyou. And it often works, because audiences have limited attention and have no reason or care to investigate further, and it's easier on the brain to just latch onto …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:04 AM
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Yeah it's a brutal pill for most on psl that fixing your brain is harder than fixing your face. Many incels won't or can't admit their mental problems and fixate on their positive canthal tilt and ogee curves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:41 AM
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Maybe having a non-recessed chin is ideal, but recessed chin from profile view is so common it's not even a cope. Even Jeremy Meeks has a recessed chin from profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:33 AM
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For what it's worth I have always said a major imbalance is men being encouraged to betabux and commit to women but women are not encouraged to give sex to men, i.e. slut shaming exists but white knights are not shamed when they sorely need to be. I think I might agree with you more if in these friendships I was buying these women gifts, waiting on them hand and foot, paying their rent and shit, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:53 AM
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B/c psl standards are deluded and looksmaxxers and incels cannot rate for shit. If there is anywhere on the face a guy can get away with looking more feminine or beta it's the eye area.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:22 AM
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I'd say the middle one because your name implies someone of middle eastern descent and you mentioned having a narrow long face, something psl looksmaxxers label a death sentence but in reality with the right proportions can be quite aesthetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 07:20 AM
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Even though I disagree on the friendship issue, I see the value in your train of thought. For the record I don't give a fuck about other guys (or women) unless they are friends and family so implying some type of necessary male camaraderie or alliance is useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:43 PM
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I work mostly around women in a nightlife setting. There's a lot about them that annoy me. But friendships are mostly out of convenience. I bond mainly by conversation. Women are better conversationalists. If by "behaving like a boyfriend" you mean behaving like a regular ass friend, so be it. If they are friends, they are not the women I seek to fuck. Who the women are fucking is of no concern to me. But you seem set in your ways, I don't care to change your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:34 PM
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Ok so you do believe that. I suppose there actually is some merit to what you are saying, that doesn't change the fact that I personally get a lot of benefit from sharing jokes and them listening to me talk and them giving me advice and comfort with shit I am going through. Women in general are better listeners and more willing to open up. I don't go into every friendship with a calculator and a zero-sum equation. If I can find a guy friend who does the same, that works too. Makes no difference …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:22 PM
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That's pretty cucked. Either that or people throw around this "friend" word way too lightly. Lol really now. I actually enjoy using the word cuck a lot. It's fun and gets the point across. Now explain to me your logic. I don't see how this would make sense unless you somehow believe the male friend is losing out in the equation because emotional support and quality time without sex are worth more to a woman than a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:56 PM
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The "friend" label is often used as a type of temporary placeholder between people with whom romantic or sexual tension (mutually felt or one-sided) has fizzled. The classic circumstance is a not especially bad breakup, but the generic example is the one you described, one person expresses interest in another, and over any given period of time the other person rejects the interest or things don't work out. Afterward, maybe there is still amicability between the two parties or there is no impendi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:38 PM
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I prefer my sexual partners to be people I don't know well or have just met. It's maybe a negative quirk in that I'm turned off by women I interact with on a regular basis or are friends with. That being said, I have plenty of female friends I find sexually attractive but have no desire to pursue, because they are by no means the only fish in the sea and nothing a good wank won't cure. I am friends with them because we appreciate the same humor, because they are good listeners and conversational…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:32 PM
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What determines whether an ideology in which you see merit is invalidated since you find hateful discriminatory people in every camp? You can literally substitute the word MGTOW in your OP for any other persuasion, including feminism - even though as some would say MGTOW is not a movement or even ideology beyond some very basic tenets. Difference being feminism is infinitely more accepted nowadays and has a hand in most mainstream mouthpieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:32 AM
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Ok, thanks for your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:19 AM
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This is a 2nd reply because I was interested in your thoughts but it is a significant tangent from my initial reply. Would you say that feminine-looking men are more attractive on a purely physical level than masculine-looking men since studies seem to show that feminine men are more preferred in more affluent countries and regions (and masculine features preferred in more impoverished regions or during times of financial uncertainty)? Where would you say personality fits into the picture? I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:31 AM
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Physical attractiveness being a premium is not as common sense to men as you would think. Even in current RP spaces you have PUAs saying looks don't matter, or that looks matter but not a lot b/c you can compensate with game. Take that in before we even begin talking about BP indoctrination, where men are taught to be kind, sensitive, and responsible first and foremost. At least girls don't grow up with any such delusions about what guys like. Then you have many women downplaying the importance …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 05:02 AM
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I can agree in many societies modern and ancient a man's status is oft dictated by preexisting systems built by men. Therefore if a man is rich or powerful there is high probability he was born into a male-supported structure that makes it infinitely easier for him to be so. I still think what defines a man's value is largely based on innate criteria such as height, facial attractiveness, and assertiveness in which the positive response is primal and unconscious. Case in point many women feel at…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:51 AM
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In the dating game, men are brought up to believe either 1) merit is more important than value or 2) merit and value are equal. Then they see high value men with shit merit succeeding with women and realize merit means fuck all - if success with women is the priority. Ideally as a species we'd strive to be decent individuals but you can't really blame men for their resentment, at the very least when we keep telling men they suck with women because of they are misogynist or "rapey".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 04:25 AM
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Just another reminder with all this arguing about whether frat boys are more asshole than TRPers, the point is as evident from as early as grade school, high status or goodlooking guys did well with girls - with rebellious personalities contributing to status - and being misogynistic dickbags did not prevent them from doing well with girls, and in some cases probably even helped. In contrast, non-dickbags or those with genuinely kind personalities did not enjoy the same success if they did not h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 11:47 PM
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Apparently this is an incel/looksmaxxing forum now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 07:02 PM
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Never got the appeal with Chris Hemsworth either tbh, esp among looksmaxxing incels online who are supposed experts in facial aesthetics. Maybe height, frame, blonde hair and status halo. Facially most women I've talked to agree he's not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 12:33 AM
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Good facial width and frame, dgaf alpha personality, charming scottish accent, slayer/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 07:12 PM
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Lol this is what incels think is ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:58 PM
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Even agreeing with OP, women interpret asshole traits as signs of confidence, assertiveness, or both high(er) SMV and RMV and are more likely to gravitate toward assholes - in general, without taking into account extremes - versus neutral or bland personalities of the nice or polite variety, all other criteria about the man being equal. In the absence of preexisting attraction, overt niceness repulses and drives away women. If you have other qualities such as looks, social proof, charisma, intel…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 01:17 PM
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I hear a lot of men say that women ignore nice men to date assholes, at least in their youth. But to my observation, niceness is a very transitory and situational trait and not a global state of being. So there are no nice men, at least in the way people mean it. What's your point though? The idea behind nice-guys-finish-last is "nice gestures, actions, words, behavior, no matter permanent or transitory/situational, does absolutely nothing without preexisting attraction from other factors and cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 11:38 AM
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Who, BP or RP, actually believes a guy's looks determine how good a man is in bed? I feel like this is a question a 3rd grader would ask. A primary reason of resentment toward goodlooking people is the association of positive traits based on appearance alone versus reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 02:51 PM
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When a man spends a lot of time playing video games or pursuing any hobby - especially one such as gaming which is deemed to have little productive value beyond entertainment - he probably isn't spending a lot of time raising a family (read: families spend more money, kids are new people who grow up to spend money) or helping a corporate entity make money. The shaming comes to men who do this whether they are rich or poor, virgin or slayer, wallflower or social butterfly. As in, a financially su…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 04:31 AM
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The main TRP sub is a cesspool and I've only ever really posted on the MGTOW sub before getting banned because they are just as easily butthurt and triggered as the feminist snowflakes and soyboys they hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 04:42 AM
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You don't expect other men to stop trying to bang your wife ....you expect you wife to turn them down. I don't trust anyone in general, and even if they gain my trust I know that trust can be broken at any time. I would say you can't expect women to exercise self-control with hypergamy if you don't expect men to exercise self-control with polygamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 08:01 PM
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This. The unemployed deadbeat bad boy trope exists for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 08:03 AM
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If the adjectives are only unemployed and sloppy, plenty of manchildren get LTR'd.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 07:31 AM
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To many men high N woman = slut or woman who is quick to have sex. I realize they aren't necessarily the exact same, but they are similar in that respect and similar in that men might see high N women as suitable lays but not LTR material - again in the same way women might see betabux men as LTR material despite not finding them sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 05:28 PM
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Confused by this. How are high N woman necessarily easily exploited? That isn't what they typically generalize about high n women. Did you mean to ask how high N men are easily exploited? I implied betabux men are easily exploited. High N men are what many RP men actually strive to be. Betabux readily placate to women in terms of resources and commitment and are easy targets in the same way women who readily give out sex are easy targets for [RP] men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 05:12 PM
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I can agree some if not many RP men are bad for women looking for LTRs, but the RP man is not the equivalent of a high N woman. The equivalent of a high N woman is a spineless betabux whom women can easily exploit for resources and emotional validation sans sex; vice versa the equivalent of an RP man is a woman who desires and knows how to effectively pull off said exploitation with ease.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 04:58 PM
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Indeed, while obvious and apparent, much of the anger from the manosphere is directed at men who support and are responsible for the current structures, often moreso, than toward women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 11:18 PM
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A few random thoughts with no specific trajectory, As someone mentioned, male gender-based advocacy is still in its infancy, and I am already seeing more and more MRA issues being brought up and commented on in social media and to articles and media mouthpieces. Feminism is still very much the default and mainstream, but there seems to be a steady increase in dissent, which I hope continues. That being said, If MRAs are seriously about getting shit done, the fact that feminism is mainstream and …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 11:10 PM
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As a mild nihilist I don't care about things like what I deserve and don't. All that matters to me is what is and what isn't, what I can do and what I can't. Paradoxically I can be proud of owning a nice car for example even if my parents paid for half of it when i was 15. Or of my intelligence even though I know it's largely inherited or genetic. Ultimately my self esteem does not rely on my personal accomplishments, for better or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 08:42 PM
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RP men prize being the alpha fux over beta bux because the former implies genuine raw attraction and interaction and the latter implies being used for resources, even if the intention on the woman's part is unconscious and there is attraction generated because of it. According to RP, women prefer their men to be the best of both worlds, but if not they fall back on the dual mating strategy. This means if you are seen as marriage material, being the best of both worlds is a best case scenario for…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 03:47 PM
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If you need it spelled out specifically for you, yes I think it's okay and only fair. However once again the latter is much more acceptable than the former. As in the latter is a cultural meme and the former would invite almost universal criticism outside of RP niches.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 02:50 PM
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I suppose if I was a man in an LTR or marriage I would be annoyed. But my main beef is it's way more acceptable for women to withhold sex than it is for men to withhold money, or anything. Society is a lot more understanding toward a woman's relationship woes than a man's. My comments/reactions to a lot of these similar threads are of a rhetorical nature to those who say women are justified in withholding sex whenever they perceive the man to be lacking in any area.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 11:14 PM
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"You're going to make a girl very lucky someday. Good heavens, not me of course. But some girl someday."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 03:14 AM
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Yeah, which is why you have an entire generation of men acting like women wondering why women aren't attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 03:14 AM
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This is also a very dramatic example. You don't need cases with people's throats being ripped out, plenty of milder run-of-the-mill examples of women getting lighter sentences for the same crime that serve the same point. The statistics are clear. The only way anyone could ever C this V is to fall back on the argument of not having absolute proof because even cases involving the same charges and convictions carry different details and nuances.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 02:42 AM
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Agreed. I think I'm referring to a more traditional conservative type authority that still more or less exists versus a burgeoning postmodern left-leaning one you see in big western cities nowadays. The kicker being proponents of the latter, radfems aside, feel like they are improving upon the family unit and family values by making their agendas a reality when the opposite is actually happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 12:11 AM
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It's always funny how 25-30 year olds are used to play high school kids, although maybe bc of maturity issues and selection pool this makes sense. You won't ever see a true representation of h/s on screen, if you did you'd see people who look like they've pushed past 20 and tiny people who have yet to reach puberty with squeaky kids' voices in the same room.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 12:06 AM
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The perpetuation of modern civilization requires the constant replenishment of a healthy and stable new generation, which requires long term family units to raise said generation. Polygamy may be the male imperative and serial hypergamy the female one, but guess which one society prefers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 11:55 PM
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I don't find elite-level models sexually or even visually alluring. I've been told I have model features but a lot of it boils down to having chiseled or angular bone structure, which has niche appeal but does not tap into natural human predilections - ie you need facial harmony and enough angularity so your face isn't a potato, but anything more and you run into diminishing returns or even results. I find more next-door looking models in clothing and athletic catalogs far more attractive. Due t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 11:44 PM
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I'll take your word for it. I don't know many transexuals but out of the ones I do know they are almost all F to M. I would say their obnoxiousness varies as much as you would expect the trait to vary among cis people. The obnoxious ones I wouldn't attribute as much to them being trans as much as because they simply have that progressive liberal elitist "super tolerant" mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 08:15 PM
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But you don't have a problem with F to M? Man even when we are talking about transexuals your misandry shows. As a disclaimer I mean this lightheartedly, but I still mean it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 08:03 PM
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RP isn't like fight club at all. Everyone in RP wants to talk about it but it's just now getting to the point where it's become more acceptable and people don't have to worry about knee-jerk critical responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:48 PM
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Having said that, I don't really see it as hypocritical to bang sluts while you believe they have less value than a girl who hasn't been fucked by a train of dudes. If they were disparaging these girls by saying they're sluts but then marrying them, they'd be hypocritical as they're saying one thing and doing another. To believe their value starts and ends with casual sex then only use them for casual sex, that's pretty logically consistent. That's fair, as long as you feel that women who use be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:40 PM
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For what it's worth I have a huge problem with "how marriage works", and you seem to be operating on the premise that modern marriage and marriage laws are fine as they stand. If we disagree on this baseline there is no point for further discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:32 PM
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Again bodily autonomy and ‘financial’ autonomy are not even remotely similar. If you think women should be legally obligated to provide sex to their husbands then the state is going to harvest your organs and take your blood and give it to people who deserve it more. Lol. Typical gynocentric man-shaming, although I'll give you credit you exercised more self-control than most before letting it rip. I believe women should be as obligated to provide sex to their husbands as men are obligated to pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:28 PM
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Yes because money is different than bodily autonomy. Why is access to money not considered financial autonomy? A man can marry a rich woman for her money and refuse sex with her as well. This makes no sense. A man is much more unlikely to do this because he does not value money as much as sex. As unlikely as a woman marrying a man for sex. Which leads to.. Just because women desire sex less does not make it a double standard. It's a double standard in that men are held to higher expectations enf…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:15 PM
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Sure. You think so, I think so. The gynocentric courts, laws, mainstream consciousness, culture all of that, will call us the scum of the earth for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:07 PM
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You are correct as this crossed my mind also even as I was typing the comment, but I decided to comment anyway because there is still a degree of hypocrisy involved. As in if TRP men are going to disparage or judge sluts they shouldn't take advantage of sluts or positively reinforce their existence - esp if they are the tradcon type to bemoan the downfall of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:03 PM
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That's a lot of mentally ill men lol. I think the words 'brainwashed' and 'herd mentality' are more fitting, if a bit less extreme and euphemistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:00 PM
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This is legally the case even when a woman freely admits to marrying a man for his money. Yet if a man marries a woman for the sheer purpose of her looks and sex he is not entitled to sex...any sex at all, to not even talk of sex on his terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 06:57 PM
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I mean I can agree with you on that. I just think the former is infinitely more socially acceptable. The latter is so foreign a concept men don't even do it in secret. Any man admitting to doing so would be severely socially castigated in this day and age. I am not even sure it was ever a thing back in the day when things were super traditional and super sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 05:44 AM
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I don't know. I'm not married and know very little about marriage. I'm under the impression solo accounts are the exception to the rule. Women withholding sex in marriage is a cultural meme. Men withholding money is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 05:38 AM
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Difference being forcing your wife to have sex is marital rape and punishable by law. Spending your husband's money without his consent however is legal, and not called marital theft.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 05:34 AM
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I think it would be one thing for a husband to express how he feels about his wife's physical appearance or weight, even bluntly, but quite another to no longer allow her to use money to buy things until she improves. In fact aside from threatening to divorce unless demands are met - in this case the man stands to lose more - this would in no way be a feasible or even legal tactic for the man. This type of hypothetical scenario was maybe commonplace in the distant past someplace somewhere, but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 04:55 AM
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This. Since women either earn as much as or outearn men nowadays this is not the best example anymore, but would it be ok for a guy to withhold money until the woman loses the weight she's gained after marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 02:52 AM
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Women will then argue in turn that they are not merely satisfied with sex. As in "who cares if an 8 will fuck me if he won't commit." "Therefore women still have it worse." yada yada
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 01:12 AM
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Huge dork that I am I would answer "Chutes and Ladders or Candyland?"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 06:17 PM
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If a fisherman given a well-geared boat is able to catch 100 fish per hour but tosses 99 back into the sea because he is picky, while another fisherman of equal skill is given nothing but a piece of string and low quality bait and basically takes the 1 or 2 fish he can get per hour you can maybe understand why it's difficult to sympathize with the first guy. Although I understand the logic and difference in biological wiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 06:10 PM
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I agree. But do you think High N-counts further lower the preexisting incentive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:59 PM
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Not just in the context of marriage, many men are naturally predisposed to want to serve and say yes to women, maybe out of insecurity or biology or both, but obviously to their own detriment. Contrary to progressive thought, misogyny and assertive loudmouth behavior toward women you see prescribed in TRP does not come naturally nor is it encouraged by our mainstream culture - explaining the need for TRP prescriptions in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:54 PM
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Was informed by earlier feedback that comment was already moved.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 09:44 PM
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There are lists of traits that are more common naturally in either men or women, but the positivity or negativity of said traits is subjective and determined by society. If there is a valid argument to be made, perhaps by those of the feminist persuasion, it is that male traits are given more positive association than female ones. Nevertheless it remains that feminists are more content to tell girls and women that they can take on the male positively associated traits as good as if not better th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 06:30 PM
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I am not going to treat my boyfriend badly because some other man hurt me, I shall be more careful around him because I don't want to be hurt again though. It is hard at times, though. I often need to remind myself that I need to judge the men I date by who they are, not who other men are. Of course you should not treat your bf badly. I do not look to treat any prospective gf or wife poorly. But my point is I will hesitate deeply before committing to anyone in the first place. If you admit yours…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 04:42 PM
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I honestly don't blame women either who are paranoid after being approached by married or taken men. It doesn't matter if it's a minority if it's a significant minority. With all due respect, men often take mere politeness for flirtation. I have been many times in a situation where I couldn't stand the guy, but he or other people thought that I flirted with him. I am nothing special in any sense. But through many years of working in an area of nightlife with many women I did my fair share of fli…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 04:09 PM
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Unfortunately you paint a commonly accurate picture, but still these types of cases must be in the minority compared to the sheer amount of women marrying the average workhorse schlub for financial stability, as in the guy has enough $ but not enough to afford to let their wives vacation alone or take private tennis lessons etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 03:43 PM
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I am not implying victimhood or assuming these men are good people, even though 1) many men don't find out these women are already spoken for until later and 2) the men are not the ones with wedding vows. But this is irrelevant and beside the point. The gist is men observe and experience how many women act when their SOs are not around and it makes them hesitate before becoming SOs themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 03:35 PM
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I honestly wondered for the longest time why golddiggers, especially for marriage, existed. What is the point of having all the money in the world and a lavish lifestyle if you have to share your life with someone you feel nothing for or can't stand? Some of my female friends said some people/women are really just that shallow, and some suggested long term plans for divorce, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 03:06 PM
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I would tend to agree. This goes for men with low self esteem and low-validation upbringing as well, and there is a reason "wanting what you can't have" is something attributed to human nature in general. This hits harder with women in the realm of dating due to as you said socialization but also because women are more reliant upon personality markers in men to signify value or lack thereof, even if it may be unconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 02:53 PM
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So much of what humans do is either consciously or unconsciously for the purpose of raising SMV, RMV, or finding a best possible mate. I'm not sure how you would judge anyone for that, man or woman. And as someone said most women already do all those things OP mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 02:33 PM
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Some men have been with so many women with boyfriends and husbands that they've become afraid of becoming boyfriends and husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 01:54 PM
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Many women are drawn to men who don't want them or men they can't have. A lot of these men project a selfish or arrogant aura that as someone already said can be misinterpreted as misogyny, a word that is thrown around more often than it should. More likely rather than actually disliking or hating women, the men hold redpilled beliefs about the reality of women and dating that come across as of a devil-may-care I-want-you-but-I-don't-need-you nature. All in all, misogyny is definitely not a requ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 12:58 PM
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The more people throw this around, the better. Hopefully it goes mainstream someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 11:26 PM
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Echoing other's thoughts here. People like to argue against the "Women have it easier" thing by saying women aren't satisfied with just anything. It's kind of hilarious, if you have an easier time landing "anything" you have it easier. Like asking if a rich person has it easier buying a car because he only wants the best cars - while many poor people take whatever they can afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 11:03 PM
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Reese Witherspoon, she's the prom queen Jack Black the clown Brad Pitt the quarterback. Seen it all before, I want my $ back.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 10:57 PM
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High school bullshit is lifelong. People just learn to hide it better afterward. I agree with OP. But also tbf there are plenty of men on the spectrum between basement dwelling virgin and die-hard RP sex maniac. Feminists would argue in theory that virgins shouldn't be shamed, no one should be shamed. We all know how everything plays out in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 01:43 PM
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Lol. Except it does not prop men up at all. Nor does feminism focus on any area where both inequality exist and women stand to lose out by pushing equality in said area, including divorce court and child custody proceedings and outcomes, prison rapes, male vs female prison sentences, suicide rates, and so on. Which again, makes sense to me since feminism is more about female supremacy and pushing of various agendas, just like countless other political groups. Again, the hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 05:17 AM
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I shit on feminism any chance I get, but OP is mentioning something similar to men who enjoy sowing their wild oats with liberated even downright promiscuous women but want their daughters to remain virgins until marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 04:22 AM
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For many incels the problem goes a lot deeper than looks (usually not even an issue) and getting sex - meaning extremely low self esteem exacerbated by nonexistent social skills and mental illness of all degrees. At the core they, along with everyone else, long to feel an inherent sense of value and worth - something sex with an overweight woman (who basically offered sex to prove a point) would do little to address. There can of course exist also a desire to overcompensate, e.g. not feel satisf…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:51 AM
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Feminists talk a mean talk about everyone needing to see and appreciate women for more than just their looks, as this fixated criterium is a product of the oppressive patriarchy. Then they spend a lot of time launching major campaigns telling men that all women are beautiful and these types of women and those types of women are beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:42 AM
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I'm not responsible for other men and I don't care about women, or other men. Asking you to tell other women to stop sleeping with douchebags was in jest to point out the idiocy of feminist prescriptions. Because 1) Just as I am not responsible for other men, you are not responsible for other women, and 2) All your efforts would be in vain because many if not most women are drawn to these types of men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 10:56 AM
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Lol, if only it was just slutty women who fall for these types of men. Ask men to respond to #metoo with "I'm better off educating women that all men are not the same." and report back with results. Enough women. Enough women go for shitty men that men realize they have a better chance of getting sex by being shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 10:47 AM
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This. It's the hypocrisy once again. I'd actually have more respect for feminism if its proponents were more honest about their intentions. I've lost count of the number of times feminists say feminism is for everyone and cares about equality for everyone. Citing official definitions mean nothing against your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 03:53 AM
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Then tell other women to stop it. Put up posters, pass out pamphlets and fliers. You know, the same thing men are told to do to address the problem of shitty men even when they aren't the ones causing the problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 03:29 AM
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Daily reminder that if women want womanizers, players, and fuckboys to disappear all they need to do is stop giving sex to womanizers, players, and fuckboys. They will turn into doormat simps overnight.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 08:23 PM
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Longface fetish crew checking in. Don't bother sending me pics if your fWHR isn't under 0.5. No homo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:34 PM
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That's bc men familiar with online incel and manosphere communities see long goofy faces and noses as incel and short brick faces as masculine and handsome, when women are actually more drawn to something in between. Nice and well proportioned enough, but still masculine (read: tall face). Although I agree Adam Driver's face is pushing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:03 PM
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Women are more sexist, because they hate women too. /j
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:39 AM
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Because default blue pill teaches women all they need to know about men and caters to their needs. There's no point where women unplug and realize they've been lied to their entire lives to either learn the truth or succeed with men. Skewer away.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 01:48 AM
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Paraphrase #42523 of what is basically now a red-pill copypasta. A stud is a key that opens many locks. A slut is a lock that many keys can unlock. Thus a stud is a great key. A slut is a shitty lock. The above metaphor refers to the gatekeeping dynamic of sex with women as gatekeepers. The metaphor would work in the reverse with relationships. A doormat who gives out resources freely and is easily deceived by women is a shitty lock.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 06:03 PM
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Modern society allows this type of behaviour to flourish much more with men of lower socioeconomic class - the reverse was true back in the times OP references.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 05:57 PM
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But what about when artificial wombs become a thing yada yada. My physiology professor at uni once joked "sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive". For those with minimal investment and interest in society long term beyond their own lives, agreeing with OP isn't too painful, although they'd go one step further and say women and children are of little value as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 05:55 PM
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More to the point, while we expect feminists to focus on women's issues above all else to an extent, it's more about the overall hypocrisy. They fight for women's rights and concerns because they want to alleviate suffering and promote equality, but they are dismissive about suffering and inequality when men are the victims. E.g. women getting paid less for the same work - a myth - is a hot button issue but no feminist harps on or is even mildly concerned about men getting longer sentences for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:45 PM
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It also does not do much credit to OP's argument when in the first paragraph the only examples she comes up with in terms of how difficult it is to run a household is remembering birthdays and gift preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:01 PM
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I can entertain the idea that being a stay-at-home mom can be stressful and almost like a fulltime job. I can't say much more than that without knowing individual circumstances such as the husband's occupation, the number of kids, financial and housing situations, and so on. However, that women-should-get-compensated-for-emotional-labor crap you see thrown around is garbage. Like men don't put in "emotional labor" all day every day from all types of BS, including BS from the woman herself. Just …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 04:27 PM
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I'll just leave this here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-gbacsUKpc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 04:23 PM
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The problem I see personally is not that you want a man who can keep up with you financially, so much that you prioritize autonomy over your own funds over you and your fiance's well-being as a single unit as well as autonomy over his own funds.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 06:50 AM
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Her fiance makes more than her and yet they still manage their own money separately. Why would she be afraid of losing this autonomy if her fiance made less? Again her words imply she sees her fiance as the breadwinner since he is the higher earner, and thus his money is not all his money, even though she wants all the money she earns to be her own. It seems shallow and selfish on her part, although you can use the euphemistic words realistic and pragmatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 06:46 AM
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Because going by her logic and train of thought she would not afford the same of her fiance (or men who make more than their SO).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 06:38 AM
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Maybe if everyone is confused the problem lies with the origin. You said the biggest problem of the 3 points in OP was if the man made less $ than you. When asked why, you said it was because you didn't want to be the breadwinner, then elaborated you wanted your money to be your money. This implies if you make more than your SO, then you are concerned your money will no longer just be your money. Which doesn't make sense because you also said your husband makes more than you and you two have rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 06:23 AM
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Then why would you making more money than him mean you would have to spend money on him? - since you specified it was so important that your money was your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 06:12 AM
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Since you say you don't want to be the breadwinner, does this imply that if he did make more money he would be the breadwinner and thus his money would not be [all] his money?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:36 AM
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Women will flirt with men just because they can or because they are looking for drama/excitement somewhere even when happy with their LTR partners. They'll flirt with me even though I'm a skinny pale half asian twink and their bfs are tall blonde Chads, and I have no doubt I am by no means the only guys they do this with. If tall blonde Chads can't keep their gfs loyal other guys like myself have no chance keeping anyone down with any confidence. The more men observe how women act when their boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 03:56 AM
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I am not particularly compelled to argue if you want to call these types of RP people lazy or lacking credibility. I do feel I should reiterate though it is not so much that they do not want work to bring about the change they feel is necessary, as much as feeling that any change is a lost cause because of what the RP has revealed to them about people, or esp in their case, women. Clearly, those who are content to just complain and find action too inconvenient exist, but I think for purposes of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:50 AM
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I feel like self improvement and caring about society can be kept fairly separate though. Technological advances, living upon much larger populations rather than small farming communities and tribes etc, multiple social circles and globalization makes it infinitely easier to be selfish and say fuck everyone/thing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:34 AM
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I suppose those who choose to give up and check out wouldn't be too insulted by being called intellectually lazy or nihilist. Their solution is there is no solution good enough. And since you mention it I do think they believe in hindsight society was never worth it due to the RP revelations they believe to be truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:15 AM
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Until they find someone hotter or get bored
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 12:08 AM
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I mean that's good news to some people then. Different people draw the line at different areas. Equal to permitting promiscuity and drugs to some are also accepting homosexuality or transgenderism. Not only b/c of close-minded or xenophobic mentalities they also see it as a potential slippery slope to allowing more extreme behaviors eg incest, bestiality, child molestation, the widespread legalization of polygamous marriage. I don't agree with all of it, but this is where the train of thought or…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:52 PM
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Probably what is meant by this is when an anything-goes culture of tolerance, acceptance, and allowance of personal liberties becomes out of control. Traditionalists lament this in modern day PC culture when people are permitted to do whatever they want (eg rampant sex, drugs, pleasure-seeking) without social stigma, leading to increased entitlement and decreased productivity without even breaching the topic of morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:39 PM
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Plenty of tradcons in TRP actually, but the reason why many RPers want to "enjoy the decline" is not only because of bitterness or resentment but because traditional "nondegenerate" culture to them only masked the unchangeable nature of people (read: women) while modern progressive degenerate culture revealed it. They have little reason to care for a society that will ultimately still consist of flawed individuals, women, and if they're honest, men. From many RP men's point of view, even if laws…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:59 PM
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I don't see the relation or relevance between your question and your 2nd sentence. I think OP did somewhat specify he focused on women because women are often the first to want and demand long term commitment and marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 07:23 PM
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The communication thing is an esp bitter point for men because women talk about how bad men are at communication while having either bad or alien methods of communication and expecting men to read minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 07:20 PM
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I always thought manospherians were all red-pill by default as a broad overarching blanket label. As in MGTOWs, incels, MRAs, PUAs etcetera are all red-pilled by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 06:49 PM
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Toxic is a progressive buzzword. Brutish masculinity and aggression in nature are sometimes, if not often, required and positive traits for those looking for strength, protection, and ability to acquire and hoard resources - which is basically to say, everyone, including men and of course women looking for a mate. Life is not all sunshine and rainbows and was never meant to be. We are fortunate enough in the postmodern human world to live in relatively peaceful times, but the biology of attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 06:41 PM
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If we are talking about just PPD and not reddit in general, the sub has reminded me that the views of the polarized, opinionated, and outspoken are overrepresented. If one spends enough time on sociopolitical debate forums or observing volatile exchange it's easy over time to develop a sense that everyone lives in their respective rad-fem or die-hard MRA echo chambers, and to speak and comment accordingly. Discussion here [potentially] reveals people who identify as either RP or BP but demonstra…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 10:17 PM
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To all the people responding to this with "not all women" and "the women who feel entitled to men approaching are not the same as __women". To use a go-to feminist response: Enough women. Enough women that it's a problem that men notice and feel affected by. Answer the question/give feedback from here. To all the people responding to this with "not all women" and "the women who feel entitled to men approaching are not the same as __women". To use a go-to feminist response: Enough women. Enough w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 08:30 PM
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I suffer from a lot of insecurities and spent a lot of time in my 20s on looksmaxxing forums trying to look like whatever male model of the moment, basically drowning in vanity and narcissism. The people there are mentally ill, fixated, and abrasive and foster a type of polarizing shitty group mentality in which everyone actually revels in putting each other down and this is the norm. Think of the incels sub but with only the ones who fraud and know they are goodlooking and seek attention. Physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:52 PM
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Also the rampant and immediate availability of porn. I'm not against porn, but guys in general are going to be much less motivated on a primal level to go out and meet women when they can just open up a window and jerk it for 5 minutes before leaving the house or moving on to other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:37 PM
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To all the extents. Progressive proponents push for the abolishing of gender roles and tell men it's ok to be meek, sensitive, emotional, and more in line with traits associated with traditional female gender roles. Men grow up with this advice and realize women go for the rebellious assertive dickhead brutes. If submissive crybaby soyboy men suddenly became chick magnets overnight you bet your ass all RP men would swallow their own words and start becoming doormats to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:04 PM
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Some RPers think the only way women will share a man is if he's sexually attractive. Others allow for leeway that it also works if the man is a charismatic or assertive douchebag.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:51 PM
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Unlike MGTOW, feminism pushes a significant degree of activism, dissemination of information, and change. Many MGTOW men, unlike MRA et al, are content in doing nothing. Spreading awareness may be encouraged, but certainly not among even most MGTOW, and certainly not required or expected despite numerous outlined societal grievances. You personally may not participate in any feminist activism, but your ideology along with others are movements with mobilization and action as mandatory components.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 02:52 AM
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MGTOW is simple. Know the true nature of women. Know the gynocentric nature of society, the courts, the government, the law. Do what you want and live life the way you want with this information and your way only. No other rules, limits, and prescriptions. No chapters. No subcategories. No protests to attend, campaigning for justice, nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 11:50 PM
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The commenter I originally responded to opined that there are many degrees of rape with varying negative effects to different extents, conveying the implication that female-perpetrated rape in general tends to cause less damage or trauma than the rape men commit. I was pointing out the difference in the zealous way SJWs, progressives, and feminists et al conduct their witch hunts to crucify men for any and all types of potential rape vs the subdued skeptical response that might resemble this com…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 06:59 AM
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In any case we should not tempt any more strawmen. Bottom line is those most likely to bring rape to the forefront of discussion shouldn't be responding to this information with what amounts to "but at least the type of rape female rapists commit isn't as bad". Doubly so because they would, again, not afford the same lenience to male rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 06:50 AM
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Semantically I do not mean left-leaning as in classical liberalism originally defined in Europe or libertarians - as much as progressives and modern liberalism as defined in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 03:25 AM
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A good number of female-perpetrated rapes are between adult women (eg teachers) and minors (eg male students). Often times there is mutual consent, which does not matter according to statutory rape laws. Flip the genders to reveal the non-secret that male perpetrators receive infinitely harsher criticism and legal penalties - again despite mutual consent. Although it is not too farfetched to say male response differs from that of females as suggested by the numerous comments by men to these stor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 02:09 AM
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The manosphere consists of a variety of men from eloquent thinkers to bottom of the barrel asswipes no matter the subcategory MGTOW, tradcons, MRA, incels, kekistani, alt-right, 4-chan shitposter, etc. The TRP sub is a fairly good example of this with the exception that it's not a popular place for MGTOW. The views and traits of the manosphere are fringe by progressive standards, and this includes those of a greater degree through the male lens e.g. racism, sexism, autism, political and religiou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 10:52 PM
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Not everyone here knows the incel/misc lingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 07:50 PM
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Just because you are in the top 50% or 20% of either sex doesn't mean you don't have reasons to be upset with the state of things. You still perceive social pressure, double standards, favoritism toward the opposite sex, prescriptions you are shamed for not following, all this real or imagined, etcetera. For example, MGTOWs believe society is so gynocentric and the laws so stacked in a woman's favor that even top tier men have to be careful or else find themselves the victim when interacting wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 07:36 AM
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She's one of those people you can tell just by looking at her how she will talk and act.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 10:09 PM
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They're quick to say "enough men" in response to men protesting broad generalizations, then quick to say "not all feminists" when feminists inevitably fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 10:07 PM
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If the guy is hot and fun, it won't matter to many women if he's an asshole. If the guy isn't hot and fun, it won't matter to many women if he's a well-mannered decent human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 02:59 AM
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Men are shamed to hell and back for it. There are multiple memes for the shallow man. Meanwhile memes about female shallowness are restricted to the manosphere or whatever kekistani shithole. When overweight low value women demand high value men they are encouraged eg #knowyourworth #girlpower, low value men who demand high value women are skewered by mainstream progressivism at worst and a laughingstock at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 06:50 PM
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A lot of men feel butthurt because they are lied to all their lives about it. Even after being redpilled many men continue to feel butthurt because women continue to not be upfront regardless. Their female friends, peers, SOs, whathaveyou still say "looks don't matter" regularly, "I don't care about looks", "looks matter but it's a minor issue". I've heard plenty of women say they don't want a guy who's "too goodlooking" and "good looks don't do anything for me" and "goodlooking is of no use to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 06:47 PM
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I feel white women in general are attracted to black men if they fit the athletic broad shouldered archetype, but are often held back from expressing said attraction because of social pressures - and fitting in with the trends and societal flow are important to women. Facially, it is unfortunate we live in a world where the more white or Caucasian your face looks, the better. E.g. black people who are popular because they look like white people dipped in chocolate. Asian men, not so much. I am h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:26 PM
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The "just shower and be confident bro" meme exists because incels mock this advice and think the primary problem is they are facially ugly. Which is true, if you're ugly then showers (and haircuts) will help little although confidence helps a little more. But incels in general are not ugly, they have asperger's, anxiety, depression, OCD, a variety of reasons for why they cannot carry themselves in a social situation like a normal person. Women can smell this shit from a mile away and your chance…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:10 PM
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Statistically speaking you may well be correct, I have not looked into it. The point still stands though that people come upon the RP after being BP by default and having applied BP teachings for a majority of their dating life, whether it be decades or merely during one's awkward teenage years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 08:26 AM
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I don't think RP men have a problem with AMALT. In fact many would agree there are broad differences between men and women and thus broad accurate assumptions of male and female tendencies and behaviours. Concurrent with this is an overall dissatisfaction with the way progressive ideology(s) and feminism seek to promote socialization, environment, and institutional structures (eg gender role prescription) as the primary if not sole explanations for our actions, foregoing and trivializing genetic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 08:09 AM
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Maybe. From observation and experience I still adhere and agree more with RP ideology, but I do believe my exposure and willingness to BP arguments has made me decidedly less red over time when compared to people posting strictly on say TRP sub. I think the difference though is RP is a reactionary movement to mainstream ideas, so the two-way street is not a perfect analogy. People who go RP have likely had a good couple decades of BP indoctrination by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 03:41 AM
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Of course. To further clarify the awareness of RP ideas and concepts exponentially increases the chance an individual may agree with at least some of them even if ultimately they reject the overall community and purpose. It's not a black and white either/or thing. BP people can understand and even appreciate the merit of RP perspectives and dogma without subscribing or completely agreeing [and vice versa]. But they do need to be exposed to said perspectives in the first place to even consider it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 03:21 AM
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If women only were receptive to male models that would do wonders for my fragile ego. "Yay there are times when I do well with women. Yay I must be a male model." Lol oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 02:58 AM
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I'm in the dark about the history. I just assumed red-pillers used the term "blue-pilled" to condescendingly refer to those still plugged in, unenlightened or unaware, etc as per the Matrix analogy. Eventually some detractors probably just took back the label out of convenience (eg this sub), apathy, or adversarial indignance. I don't think the vast majority of blue-pilled people by definition even know or care about the label.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 02:53 AM
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As a sub-8 male who conducts almost all business offline and is decidedly weird and neurotic if ideally in a somewhat endearing way this has not been my experience, but I do also come from a slightly older generation (age 32) and grew up in a time when men were not as demonized, approaching was ok, people were less entitled, hypergamy perhaps less unchained, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 02:28 AM
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I'm not sure I agree with men having a more diverse range of physical preferences. It may be that men cannot afford to be as picky about their preferences due to supply and demand. But hypergamy, male thirst, and the different ways men and women see sex are all good arguments for the conclusion. Nevertheless the importance of mental stability cannot be overstated: Male incels will always vastly outnumber female incels because it is the male's job, dictated by biology and socialization, to initia…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 01:35 AM
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half white half asian
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 12:36 AM
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I think just the fact that the self identified blue-pillers here are even aware of the details of red-pilled ideology and have engaged and are willing to entertain or exchange thoughts within a debate context with red-pillers makes them more red/less blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 12:31 AM
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I am fairly certain I am not 8/10 or higher. I usually don't have too much trouble with attractive women as long as I exercise basic health and hygiene protocols and come across as pleasant and a decent conversationalist. For the record 6-8/10 is still above average. Above average men do not have to put in "insane" effort just for "barely attractive" women. I know taking showers and just being confident is a meme in incel circles but the pill to swallow here is that most people who subscribe to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 12:04 AM
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Lol I have the good bone structure but girly eyes and small narrow nose. Especially from lurking around the manosphere I've been conditioned to value the strong nose and narrow squinty hunter eyes. Also the weirdest thing commenting/responding on PPD outside of an argumentative context. I feel like RP and BP are like the Capulets and Montagues.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 12:12 AM
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Lol yeah my older cousin is 41 and gets carded always if he's alone, not as often if he's among colleagues or friends. Despite being a jaded motherfucker it might be because I have large feminine eyes and often carry the expression of a hopeful naive chump. I'm working on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 08:35 PM
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Re: #2 Some women may find being an asshole a dealbreaker even if all other things are good, but in these cases being nice as you said does nothing alone so much as just give the green light to proceed - almost like the background check for a criminal record when interviewing for a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 07:52 PM
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Nice guys don't necessarily finish last but being nice is, depending on the woman and circumstances, from at best to at worst: a bonus after she is already attracted to you a prerequisite that does not guarantee attraction but is necessary before she concludes anything else a non-issue - does not hurt or help something that assures her of you as a candidate for long term provider a detriment if she purposely goes for abusive dickwads due to mental compromise, familiarity, childhood, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 07:27 PM
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Yeah, you've established that lol. As did I.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 01:23 PM
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Because most men are drawn to youth and most women are drawn to status power and experience. It's biology. I personally don't mind older women but I get the youth thing too. Do you honestly think it's an accident - or the patriarchy - that way more women are ok with dating older men (even if it's not their first choice) than vice versa? There are countless women who actually prefer full stop guys who are older and refuse to date younger guys or guys their age - although in this case we are talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 01:20 PM
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There's a difference between preferring younger men and not giving a goodlooking older (sometimes much older) man a chance. Maybe you won't, but there are no shortage of women who would. Nobody is implying that 20-somethings dream of their ideal man as 40+. But no 40 year old with his shit together looking for a 20 something will have TOO much trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 01:08 PM
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Not at all. I don't know a shitload of 40+ old man - woman-in-her-20s couples, but the ones that I do know of the man is hardly top 10%. More like the man makes a respectable effort to take care of himself, isn't necessarily rich but has his shit together, has decent social skills and a mature outlook, and met the right woman - as in he happened upon a 20 year old who is ok with dating much older men - and she gave him a chance when he made the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 12:48 PM
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You have no idea. I got carded to see John Wick - I believe the minimum age is 17 and these age restrictions are by no means laws and most theater workers would give no shits. But no, "Sorry, just to be safe. There's a lot of violence in this movie."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 12:17 PM
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Mental disorders and trauma are the primary problems behind inceldom. I'm not going to say game works well for everyone but it seems that way from the vast majority of cases, their looks are not the problem.
/r/TheRedPill05/06/18 10:12 AM
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People who identify as incels online are either narcissistic attention-seekers, shitposting trolls, or actual incels (true-cels). They are all after validation of their worth more than just sex. In the same way anyone redpilled would not be satisfied getting sex just because a woman has settled for them as a beta provider.
/r/TheRedPill05/06/18 09:42 AM
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Not sure about everything else, but I can agree women are not given the runaround about male nature and how men are while men grow up thoroughly deceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 09:16 AM
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You will have retained more useful information and knowledge by memorizing a wikipedia entry than the info you're forced to regurgitate in many entire classes for undergrad. Many times the wikipedia entries actually do a better job of explaining things than in the overpriced textbooks you're forced to buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 08:49 AM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 08:26 AM
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When it comes to pure sex I don't care. When it comes to validating my insecurities it's no good. One of my biggest things was wondering if any women who gave me attention were doing it because they like Asian men (half Asian here) or their previous bfs were Asian. If so then I just reason that there is something wrong with them so they are desperate, low value, or their standards and tastes are skewed. My brain tends to fixate on any and all negatives before it allows itself to feel content or …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 03:58 AM
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I'm just entering my 30s and I've noticed way more attention from women than when I was in my early to mid 20s, to not speak of late teens. This coming from just knowing how to look better, dress better, act better, and having more money. Theoretically you can say from a purely physical standpoint a guy had more ultimate potential in some ways as a younger person (eg 25), but few men have the maturity or experience to ever capitalize on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 03:28 AM
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Shrug. Differences in observation. They do tend to put in extra effort into self-care and health. I'm 32 and literally get asked on campus if I'm from running start in h/s. Honestly not proud of it and not always a good thing for a dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 03:19 AM
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Uh plenty of men look better in their 30s and 40s than in their 20s and have more than sufficient energy provided they don't let themselves go like the average person. I'm half Asian and the men in the Asian half literally look like college kids or late 20s and many are pushing 50. This OP just comes across as spiteful. Ultimately nobody should be demanding or expecting anything in the dating market. I don't blame landwhale women for wanting 6'+ dreamboats if there are dreamboats willing to take…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 03:13 AM
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This applies to literally everyone and their actions, not just incels or socially awkward shitposters. Why bother holding anyone accountable for anything then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 07:08 PM
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I think I said "because they act like shitty people". Whether the shittiness is justified is irrelevant. Act like an asshole, people will respond, simple as that. You can't say shit on the reg like "fuck all roasties, they all deserve to get raped" and not expect retaliation. I accept the same for any trolling I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 06:45 PM
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Despite not being Chad in any sense, this has happened quite a few times, both for sex and LTR, and when it does for a moment I understand what women mean when they say it's an uncomfortable burden to be given unwanted attention, to worry about the repercussions of turning people down, doing it in a way that does not hurt or make you seem like a dick, and so on. It's a combination of feeling flattered and being filled with dread. Due to insecurities galore you also wonder if she's doing it becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 06:39 PM
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Our current situations are the result of a combination of past experiences and our response(s) to them - plenty of things out of our control from both the nature and nurture perspective regardless. There are many socially awkward bullied kids who don't become shitty people. That doesn't necessarily mean the ones who do become shitty are at fault, we don't know what's going on. But if society just allowed the blaming of bad childhoods on current actions no one would be held accountable for anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 06:30 PM
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Lol because the socially awkward boys on reddit and elsewhere act like very shitty people. They do little to inspire empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 05:43 PM
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lol TLDR be goodlooking, use a variety of good pictures, don't be too sleazy, make use of momentum.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/18 05:42 PM
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Yea I was referring to lying about wealth and resources as beta game - just saying you can lie using beta game but also with alpha game. You can most definitely convince women you're someone you're not. It may be more difficult to maintain frame over time but it can work to an extensive degree depending on individual competence, and some people are not even smart or observant enough to pick up on dissonance with cues eg tones and body language. Again, if it's as simple as revealing who you reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 08:43 PM
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Plenty of ways to dishonestly utilize alpha game. If you're not lying directly or indirectly about your money, resources and willingness to commit you can lie about a whole host of other things. The whole idea behind alpha game is to project an impression of maximum value no matter the reality. If it was just telling the truth it wouldn't be called game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 08:30 PM
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I'm aware black culture is not equivalent to degenerate hip hop. Bottom line, leftists and feminists are always reluctant to criticize select minority groups because it's not part of their narrative. Another example are the sexist or traditional elements of Native American cultures. Indigenous cultures are much more likely to be promoted as a whole in response to the burgeoning dominant white American culture with anything contrary to the agenda swept under the rug or ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 08:09 PM
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SJWs are very selective with what they are vocal about. Feminists may know deep down the misogynistic side of hip-hop but you wouldn't really know it when you see what topics they choose to discuss and bring into the spotlight. Degrading hip-hop lyrics is something feminists talk about once in a blue moon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 06:53 AM
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Furthermore, in a twisted fucked up way these guys appeal to a woman's natural desire to nurture, or to put it crudely - women like broken bad boys because they see them as potential projects and want to fix and change them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 06:26 AM
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If you live in a small town where everyone knows everyone and the pickings are slim, maybe. Not in a big city. Basically if you can fuck one girl a week you can fuck 10. You just need 10 different areas. Much more work than most guys would care to put in I understand. But the difficulty lies in time management, not game or SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 05:12 PM
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Absolutely. Women cry objectification all day when physical attraction, esp between strangers, always by definition inherently involves objectification to some degree - separation of a person's nonphysical attributes from physical. On that note I don't think men fawn over celebs nearly in the same way women do because fame and status are not criteria for attraction to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 08:26 PM
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I use "dick" as a metaphor for "man" in the same way "pussy" is a metaphor for "woman". Men and women prioritize chasing pussy and dick to varying degrees in life depending on the individual, respectively. Somehow when we have a discussion incorporating generalizations about male and female biology and nature you only object to the ones about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 12:55 PM
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Men have the right to chase endless pussy in the same way women have the right to chase the most prized and best dick. Do you know what hypergamistic means? The words "equal partnership" don't really fit here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 11:58 AM
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Then where did you get it from? Gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 11:37 AM
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Quick look at OP's profile says she's 20 years old. Zero experience and understanding with how the real world actually works. As condescending as this sounds it makes it all a bit easier to stomach and I feel more empathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 11:28 AM
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women are not calculating LMFAO.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 11:22 AM
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Men sacrifice their time (and youth, should they get married young) and labour. If they don't get married until later in life, the average Joe likely invests many years if not decades to establish himself career-wise and gain financial stability. Oh right, women sacrifice other potential suitors. Lol. Must be rough having so many other suitors to turn down when the average man would be lucky to have one other woman in pursuit. How solipsistic is this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 11:00 AM
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Hypergamy example #409820598092. This just proves once again women think they are just going for average guys when really they are going for cream of the crop. To women these guys are average because Billy Beta is basically invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 01:23 AM
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This. A solid 5-6/10 woman still has her fair share of suitors and orbitors. Compare this with how much attention a 5-6/10 man gets. Maybe once in a while, if any.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 01:20 AM
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The fallout from divorce - or at least the growth of marriage risk awareness - is such now given the general climate and circumstances that only the fairly well-off and above are able or willing to take and weather the risk and damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 11:51 PM
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In recent years there has been a steep rise in the proportion of female students, especially in the humanities, to such an extent that the imbalance has led to a shortage of marriageable men. There are plenty of hard-working capable and intelligent men with trade careers and blue-collar jobs willing to marry, but women in these 4-year institutions of left-leaning indoctrination won't look their way and think they're too good for them with their degrees in gender studies and art history. This com…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 08:13 AM
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Even if the men in a woman's social circle did not create a culture of hyper alpha masculinity she (and all other women in said circle) would gravitate toward the one with highest SMV, the tallest, the best looking, the one with the most resources, the one with the most social proof. Like everyone says, it's all relative, and the degree of masculinity in the men or culture does not matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 04:58 AM
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True love is not a static thing. Fairy tales never show you what happens in the years and decades following Happily Ever After. Before this point it means nothing for hormones and emotions to be surging, PDA all day everywhere and thrilling various kinds of sex in random ass places. This shit would be easy if it was only meant to last 4 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 01:04 AM
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Many MGTOWs themselves see MGTOW as the final stage of the redpill for intelligent men, with PUA being the initial stage. MGTOW by definition does not mean hating women, but being aware of innate female nature and the gynocentric structure of society, how both act synergistically to hurt men, and to choose to act and live one's life accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 01:22 AM
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I am capable of being emotionally attached to anyone. I am only sexually attracted to women. I've decided this is overall a detrimental thing because my brain keeps sex/lust and emotions in such far away separate compartments I am not able to involve emotion during sex. I've also developed attachment to male friends as weird as that sounds based on emotions alone while having zero physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 04:51 AM
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dumb counterargument to a very dumb argument
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 04:38 AM
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Any place with more than one person in it is a potential murder scene. Or maybe assault. Or maybe theft. Or unwanted solicitation of business or even a Mormon offering a pamphlet. Fucking lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 04:36 AM
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Dating apps revealed the true nature - obvious in hindsight - of women through the almost exponentially increased demand, opportunity, and validation. Before technological advances and evolution of the digital age less than 20 if not 10 years ago it was not remotely as apparent since almost all dating and hookups as you said were through social circle - primary or secondary - and convenience/chance (eg meeting at a bar or club).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 06:20 PM
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This. Men are polygamous, women are serial hypergamous. Rather than swing to another branch, men collect branches.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 04:42 AM
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+1 for me, essentially OP is pointless since you can literally just blame women for any problem with humanity because they do the mate selection. Also/but if most women selected betas then it's hard to blame women (and feminists on a longer limb) as a whole for selecting toxic chads or enabling a world full of toxic chads, if most women did not. Nevertheless the last point probably goes to you since the majority of women who selected betas would have selected chads given the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 02:20 AM
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Majority of feminists are ugly incels This is a manosphere wet dream but also runs counter to what the manosphere repeats as mantra. The idea is that postmodern feminism is a toxic disease that afflicts many women - which for the record I agree with, but then how does that jive with even subpar women having it so much easier than average to above average men in dating? Feminists are not just women with bottom of the barrel SMV. If they were I don't think TRP and associates would be complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 12:26 AM
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Career-focused and assumingly successful women are more likely to have the education, resources, and time to focus on and maintain their appearance. Couple this with social circle and networking, they are going to be in a better position to obtain a high quality guy - especially one seeking to settle down or start a family. Nevertheless as isolated criteria, independence, career, and financial success have limited appeal to men of all socioeconomic levels. The thing to note is a beautiful woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 12:19 AM
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Of course that makes no sense, as the amount of men and women seeking LTRs is generally the same On the other hand, women are the gatekeepers of casual sex, because a far larger amount of men want it A tragedy. Most men are delusional, desperate, and indoctrinated enough to think an LTR will be a sure thing in affording unlimited sex and happiness. There are women counterparts who purposely behave promiscuously and use/seek sex to lock down commitment, but they are much fewer. The reason? Women …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 07:14 PM
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From my observations many women are just like that. They can't stay single for more than a couple weeks and want to find a man just to have a man etc. Women gravitate to committed relationships the way men gravitate toward pure sex. If you agree with the concept of alpha fucks beta bucks - and even if you don't humor me - the criteria for "high value" differs when women seek commitment. If a woman is looking to settle down she will appreciate traits in a man such as agreeableness and willingness…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 07:04 PM
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I mean, in the same way sex with a physically unattractive woman is overrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:44 PM
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the ultra-feminine Moses to the ultra-masculine Justin Bieber Surely this is in jest, or clever, or a mistake, I can't tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 01:09 AM
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Beat him unconscious is the most masculine solution. Also the dumbest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 08:02 PM
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Many MGTOWs, if the subreddit is any indication, believe basically every woman is shitty though ie AWALT, just that some hide it better than others. This coupled with a government and culture that encourages and polarizes female biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 02:50 PM
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Objectively speaking the analogy is flawed, much like the argument "If we ban guns we should definitely ban cars because cars kill way more people per year." Yet maybe this speaks to how much men stand to lose in this day and age if they happen to come across and engage with the wrong woman. Additionally, poisoned drinks are rare, as are plane crashes. That's why most people without irrational fears sip from drinks and get onto planes without hesitation. MGTOWs do not believe shitty women are ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 02:49 PM
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If the rollercoaster is a metaphor for sex, a quick look around at couples IRL easily disproves this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 02:36 AM
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Intelligent and successful women are like nice and sensitive men. It's not necessarily a turnoff. They are noble and positive traits from a detached standpoint. But it does nothing to ignite attraction. At best it's a nice bonus when you're already attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 06:08 PM
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Because blue-pill dating advice is already everywhere else outside of red-pill spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 07:44 PM
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Since young women have it easier than young men and have infinitely more options and for infinitely less effort when single, they are indeed giving up more when they decide to saddle down with just one guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:28 AM
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I'm not sure if this comment belongs here and I am also not familiar with the ins and outs and nuances of the law. But does anyone have insight as to why one person can be found liable for sexual assault or rape on the grounds of no consent under intoxication when both parties are drunk? It is also my understanding usually it's the man found guilty but for this question I'd be fine with leaving sex and gender out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 07:14 AM
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Looks are like money. They both matter very much, but you need just enough of it to make the threshold before you hit diminishing returns. Take a look around you at the couples you see everyday IRL. Is every guy a 6 or 7+? Red pillers (RP myself here) will be quick to say these women have selected Sub 7s as betabux while fucking Chad behind his back, but according to incel ideology their looks aren't even enough for that - which I doubt. It makes sense that people who already feel they are attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 10:54 PM
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I believe in the consequences of feminine sexual cruelty and a gynocentric society. Nevertheless the main problem for incels is mental and psychological illness of all degrees. That and narcissism and addiction to validation. This goes in complete contrast to their pathological focus on physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 04:59 PM
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TRP here, but the sub itself has become just another echo chamber. Which means it's in good company. PPD is one of the few places talking with people who disagree with you is encouraged. Most people comment to be right or push their shit. Not to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 03:34 AM
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The girl with higher, in this case much higher, body count is a bigger red flag to men b/c most men when looking for someone to commit to are more concerned with stability, promiscuity and loyalty or lack thereof, versus individual sexual perversion and deviation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 07:53 PM
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Paraphrasing Chris Rock, if women were willing to fuck men in cardboard boxes, men wouldn't buy houses. Edit: Your statement holds a lot of truth, but I've been in enough bathrooms of women to have observed plenty of exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 07:40 PM
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Also operating on the assumption that whatever she wants to be done should be done, or that the man is wrong by not doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 05:26 PM
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Both Leo and Brad Pitt deserve credit for making a constant effort throughout their careers to deviate from pretty boy typecasting to branch out into more daring or offkey roles. As shallow as this sounds due to his babyface I could never take Leo seriously in a lot of them including The Revenant, Shutter Island, The Departed, Django Unchained, the list goes on. Almost like he was a kid playing serious grownup.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 04:09 AM
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I think a flaw both sexes have is they tend to judge same sex attractiveness based on their preferences in the opposite sex. For example men will think women go for one guy based on what they look for physically in a woman's face, when in reality women are repulsed or indifferent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:35 AM
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Pretty boys don't tend to age the best but I think he just stopped caring. With his insane amount of fame and status and supermodels ready to drop their panties at his whim he has little reason and motivation to stay in shape. He was quite the looker back in the day, even as a straight guy if/when I hear female friends say they never understood the appeal I think they're lying, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:24 AM
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I wouldn't like it if a woman lied about herself or altered her physical appearance drastically to try to get a man to commit so no, I don't think it's ok. More than just something moral or immoral, I don't see the point or appeal in expending effort to uphold an image or web of lies (especially for example maintaining frame long-term or even to the degree of within marriage) so that women/plates remain sexually attracted, but I suppose if pure sex is all a man wants whatever floats his boat. Fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 03:18 AM
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You can have friends you find physically attractive yet are mature and secure enough that your actions aren't motivated by your libido or sex bits as long as there are other good reasons why you're friends. People say sexual tension will always be there if attraction exists. I can think of many reasons why tension exists even between straight friends of the same sex, and sexual attraction is just another thing along with strong differences of opinion and personality. This is esp true for friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:31 PM
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That's the thing though. Fat women push for fat acceptance and "beauty at any size" and either subconsciously or consciously seek to shift aesthetic standards and preferences in their favor. It goes beyond merely treating everyone with a baseline level of respect regardless of weight or appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 11:29 AM
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Yes, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 09:27 AM
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As people have already said time and time again healthy food and produce are not expensive and often cheaper than junk. The real issues are time for food preparation and the fact that processed ready-to-eat food is high in readily absorbed sugar and calories, and one of the few sources of luxury poor people can afford. They need to get their dopamine rush from somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:55 PM
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Women reserve the right to say no at any point during sex even well past penetration. Because they don't owe men sex. Only fair that men, not owing women commitment, can wine and dine them and then forego LTR and marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:44 AM
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It's telling how if OP was a woman the responses first and foremost would be to urge her to seek charges for assault (or to ask why she did not), but since this is not the case the elephant in the room is completely ignored and all the advice is about leveraging SMV. I believe in this context people don't even realize the elephant is there in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:30 AM
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Thanks for your response and insight. In my personal case and understanding there has been a significant portion of the population who is drawn to those who are phenotypically opposite or "different but compatible". That certainly applies to me. I am tall pale lean with twink features despite being straight and disliking twinks (perhaps from aversion to association?) - I'm not attracted to the same in women at all and lean toward athletic and tan. But then there is also "your vibe attracts your …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 07:22 PM
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No, because twinks don't look like women enough to arouse attraction. To be quiet honest once in a while I'll come across a transgender who looks convincing and attractive enough because they look like a young hot cis-female, but those are few and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 04:48 PM
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But there are many gay men who prefer feminine men/twinks exclusively. You don't find many straight men who feel the same way about masculine women. At least I don't. It could be that the latter are less willing to express their preferences even in this day and age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 04:46 PM
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One potentially insulting question I've always had for gay men and women is why often times the same-sex people they are attracted to embody traits more commonly seen or known in the opposite sex. For example, why are twinks a thing - if you like girly pretty men why don't you just like women. If you like butch chiseled women why not like men. Since I'm straight I am clueless and I am sure the answer is complicated but that doesn't stop me from wondering.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 04:23 PM
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There are quite a few things already listed in the comments that I agree would make her less sexually desirable (eg SJW tendencies, passive communication, voice) but if she's physically my type and we are not talking about any long-term commitment not many of those things aside from maybe body odor that would prevent me from going ahead and sleeping with her given the consent and opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 04:06 PM
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Fairly sure women initiate at least half if not the majority of breakups and esp divorces. First to want in, first to want out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 03:54 PM
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Not sure if this counts as challenging OP's view as the content is tangential. Once again the primary problem does not lie in the inherent nature of men or women but how modern society affords women lenience and encouragement and finds men to be reviled expendable work horses, and raises them as such. Toxic masculinity is [rightfully] punished, but so is nontoxic masculinity. Conversely women do not face nearly the same level of scrutiny when femininity goes awry. Women know they have to be attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 06:26 AM
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Social proof and status are important to women when evaluating a man as a potential mate. Difficult for a man to have either if he has no friends. Also if a woman doesn't know a man well she might wonder if he has no friends because there are a multitude of things wrong with him. There's something to be said however for the dark mysterious loner type or the incredibly infamous known for daring superhuman deeds no matter how immoral or controversial. I imagine women see these as ONS and brief lus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 03:06 AM
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There are many different methods and socially acceptable approaches a woman can employ to be able to infer a man's financial and career-related status fairly accurately along with his net worth - unless the man lies and is good at it. Vice versa there are few questions dancing around the topic of sexual history that would not be deemed in bad taste. Women also of course will often be trained to downplay or minimize any revelation surrounding said topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 02:38 AM
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It's been way more acceptable and commonplace for women to ask men questions about their careers and financial situations, often times not so subtle even if it's not as blatant as "how much is your salary?" - than it is for men to ask women how many men she's slept with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 09:59 PM
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Furthermore as can be seen from the classroom and school to the real world, high status and popular women are high status often because of their physical attractiveness. They may encompass a narrower definition of beauty due to conventional appreciation (Eg busty, blonde, skinny, white etc) but there is again the undeniable difference highlighted between male and female attraction. If a man seeks out a high status woman chances are she is very hot to begin with, comparatively speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 09:22 PM
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OP is mostly correct, although it's a type of truth that doesn't require a whole new thread. Men do take status into consideration sometimes, otherwise the concept of "trophy wife" would not exist. But he still needs to find her attractive initially, which sets men apart from women in this respect. The difference between the two sexes in this regard is broad and stark. Many women are initially not attracted or even repulsed by their prospective partners esp if we are talking about LTR - they bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 08:56 PM
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I honestly don't know any guys who obsess over female porn stars. Porn isn't really something even the horniest of men embrace as a hobby. After jerking off the thrill is gone until the horniness returns. I don't know anyone who browses pornographic videos in their spare time in search of any type of appreciation besides cheap sexual release. It's fap and then leave. Often times in a hurry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 08:34 PM
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Male groupies don't exist and/or female groupies far far outnumber male groupies because 1) preselection effect and 2) status is a major criterium of attraction for women whereas men frankly do not give a shit about it. If he does not find her physically attractive it won't matter how many other guys are attracted to her, nor how powerful or famous she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 07:07 PM
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Recovering massive d-bag
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 06:39 PM
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Lol who the fuck is Michelle Williams
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 10:36 AM
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And feminism is about equality, not hating men and double standards. And MGTOW is about finding freedom and self-fulfillment away from the plantation and not hating women and perpetual steeping in bitterness and anger. And religion is about love and not war or condemnation. Like everything else #metoo is one thing on paper and yields all types of garbage results when real people and real life come into the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 10:24 AM
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From experience TRP works like a charm. Unfortunately I also find it insulting to play the role of some frame maintaining clown indefinitely to get some play or keep some woman interested long-term, but I digress. Men, like most people, are stupid simple beings and will do whatever it takes to get laid. If being a nice pushover got men laid TRP would never have come to exist. If TRP and being a massive d-bag didn't get men laid there wouldn't be so many massive d-bags.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 10:16 AM
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An average man can definitely become a Chad, especially given certain criteria like weight loss, fitness, dress, status, money and social skills. Maybe not if he's especially short, has irreversible and untreatable mental issues, or deformed with awful bone structure. The ultimate potential varies from man to man, but to make a sweeping statement as per OP - I mean it's obvious maybe it's just a thread to be provocative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 12:41 AM
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It's true. Women are the first to want an LTR and the first to want out of said LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 12:41 AM
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I wish I was joking. Just lol at #metoo. But it's clear from where we're both coming from there really is no point in arguing with you on this. I'll concede that race is a much bigger factor - I'm much more sympathetic to something like Black Lives Matter than anything 3rd wave feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 04:07 PM
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Not everything is a shit test, but if it's established shit tests exist you can't blame men entirely, especially those new or unlucky in love, for being cautious - essentially treating many if not most things she does and says as potential shit tests, esp early on. Bragging about holding frame in an embellished self-aggrandizing story is another matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 07:25 AM
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I dislike female nature. I am capable of separating a woman from her personality when seeking sex. I am capable of caring for a woman and forming a friendship - a platonic bond between two humans - with her as an individual despite her female nature and doing the things a woman does that I dislike. I can appreciate both sex and friendship in the same woman but only as isolated qualities and incentives (FWB). As it stands I cannot care for and trust a woman in a LTR context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 06:32 AM
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TRP believes women delay or withhold sex from men they "date" because they see them as long term sexually unattractive betabux material. The perceived lack of attraction and idea of using a man only for his resources and commitment is the potential danger. In all honesty OP's explanation makes some sense. Being redpill myself I think many men just don't know where the woman stands, but some TRP men who are okay with committing (many are not) may be fine with this idea as long as they know they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/18 03:19 PM
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Lol the risk and rewards of spending money and resources on women aren't equal either so what's your point? Many men invest time and dollars from countless hours of work at a soul-sucking job for grudgingly periodical and mediocre sex culminating in underwhelming orgasms lasting seconds - along with such a prize come the suicide-inducing incessant bitching and nagging, mood swings, guilt trips, drama, double standards. Please. Door swings both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 06:21 AM
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Well the thing is, if you're a TRP adherent "women are all immature, hypergamous, and manipulative cunts [who] will always cheat on you with Chad" will always hold some amount of significant if not total truth, even if you have come to accept it and are at peace with the belief and no longer angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 07:00 AM
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I misunderstood your initial comment and now understand what you were trying to ask. Nevertheless that changes nothing. The damage is already done when women forego good men for criminals, wifebeaters, the dregs of society. Do they want a cookie for staying with the guy after becoming pregnant? Finally and also, for some reason you don't seem to understand that the men criticizing single mothers are not the same ones who treat women like garbage, sex objects, and have trouble keeping jobs - you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 02:07 AM
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Who's giving you a pass for swinging to a better mate? Hypergamy and lust for barbaric men (tbf it's female nature) combined with indoctrination and help from big daddy govt fuck over good men and force them to either be alone or pick up the leftovers of shitty men. Single mothers are criticized for making shitty choices leading up to them having children with shitty fathers. Any fallout from said mistakes is also fair game. What am I missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 01:59 AM
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OP answered their own question in their last paragraph. There're stigma, generalizations, and stereotypes about the morality, socioeconomic class, physical appearance of prostitutes, etc. but ultimately women are brought up to see prostitution as shameful as it is akin to being labeled a slut - freely distributing the bargaining chips and value of the female sex at little to no cost. Now if only men were brought up the same way, to see free distribution of resources, money, protection - things u…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 08:45 PM
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OP answered their own question in their last paragraph. There's stigma, generalizations, and stereotypes about the morality, upbringing, physical appearance of prostitutes, etc. but ultimately women are brought up see prostitution as shameful (and rightfully so) as it is akin to being labeled a slut - freely distributing the bargaining chips and value of their sex at little to no cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 08:22 PM
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When we are talking about standards and settling I understand we are mainly talking about physical standards. A red-pilled man would argue due to hypergamy, gynocentricism and an inflated sense of one's own SMV, a woman's looks have little to do with how likely she is to be satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 08:07 PM
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Aside from single mothers being seen as an unnecessary and undeserved drain on resources, govt assistance, etc. another aspect of the resentment directed toward them is - they are seen as the direct result and poster example of women making poor mate selection choices by many men who have been taught all their lives to focus on being hardworking, sensitive, and responsible to best attract women - only to be surprisingly disappointed when women choose physically attractive but financially destitu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 07:52 PM
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Already way further down than I wish to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 08:18 AM
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My apologies if I'm not sure how this works. I commented merely to respond, I don't have any aspirations to be the top comment or even among the top comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 08:18 AM
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Lol no disagreement here. And I'm red and blackpill all the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 06:27 AM
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Again, what age group of women are we referring to? Early teens? Late teens? Early 20s? Late 20s? I might be able to give the first two groups a pass. I'm around plenty of platonic male-female friendships and as far as I can tell thankfully I don't see men just showering their female friends with attention the way a thirsty man would and does with these types of stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 05:41 PM
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It's a problem if she knows his intentions and keeps him around for the gifts, attention, and validation. The dude is also to blame for different reasons. It's not a zero sum discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 05:38 PM
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Edit: Also for the record, I'm guessing a fair proportion of these women are not teenagers. Many are well into their 20s and have had no shortage of experience with male approach and initiation. If we were talking about awkward stages in the early teens I'd be more liberal with the lenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 05:37 PM
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I'm telling you right now I don't believe women are entirely ignorant. Our conversation has mostly been me acknowledging and responding to your points while giving women and your observations the benefit of the doubt. You can't tell me girls don't realize a guy she barely knows who goes out of his way to take her out, buy her things, and so on doesn't realize something else is going on. Are all of her female friends doing things like that? Are all of her "real" male friends? Is she not warned by…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 05:30 PM
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Still not excusing the ignorance or potential shittiness of women, here is where I say this is why many men blame the men who do this - even moreso than blaming the women. In the same way sluts are shamed mostly by other women, men who readily give out resources to women out of thirst and stupidity are at least looked down on by men. The manosphere refers to these men as beta-orbiters, beta-cucks, etc. In their eyes they lower the overall value of men by increasing unnecessary distribution of ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 05:20 PM
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I think I am using a broader definition of predatory. Predatory not just confined to sinister ulterior motives but simply to pursue, or 'hunt' if you will, something more (eg long term relationship, romance, sex) than friendship. You would think again, esp in this day and age, a man going out of his way to shower a woman with time, resources, gifts, favors, etc. despite not being the closest friend or even acquaintance would be a gigantic warning sign. If a relative stranger just wants to become…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 05:09 PM
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I don't doubt your anecdotes. Similar things can be observed today. I don't know which era you grew up in but you would think in this day and age women would be more savvy just from being told and educated by their parents, peers, role models etc. I don't doubt that girls are after all warned repeatedly about the predatory nature of men growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 05:02 PM
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I mean just because something isn't on purpose doesn't mean it's not worth being upset over...maybe you're one of those people who isn't bothered by the sheer stupidity and lack of common sense in this world but I'm not as strong as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 04:45 PM
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I don't think I underestimate the dipshittery of people in general. It's still annoying and upsetting though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 04:35 PM
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The men who rail against these types of stories do it not because they feel the woman is obligated to reciprocate with sex or some type of play but because the woman allows (and may continue to allow) the guy to give her his time, attention, and resources when his intentions are obvious. For what it's worth there is also disdain of a different and perhaps greater type toward the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 09:45 AM
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Yes, definitely regional culture and media influenced, as is often the case with these types of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 08:28 AM
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I think it's more that British women are often maligned as less attractive or consolation prizes to their other European counterparts (e.g. Scandinavia, eastern Europe, French, etc.) whereas the image of British men is bolstered by many Hollywood American stars worshipped for their charm and [subjective] good looks - many of which hail from the UK (or Australia) rather than the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 08:04 AM
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I mean, the UK immediately comes to mind if you're talking about pure stereotypes. Although I disagree I've always found a lot of British women beautiful and the coveted Scandinavian women to be fairly overrated on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 06:07 AM
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Yeah I work in an upper middle class white area with the demographic most likely to be well off enough to be educated about health and nutrition and have the luxury of worrying (and obsessing over) weight. I don't see the rampant obesity everyone is talking about. I suppose if I venture out into other areas it becomes more apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 06:02 AM
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I think his point was that porn depicts people (esp the women and usually men also) as fit and attractive. People won't necessarily become ok with obese partners as the norm if there is sexual escape showing otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 05:57 AM
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It is more ok and ideally preferable to leave someone rather than to monkey branch or stay in the relationship and cheat. That being said it is more socially acceptable for a woman to leave a man for his lack of financial stability than for a man to leave a woman for her looks. Aside from good old fashioned gynocentricism men are the ones painted as shallow. It is also more socially acceptable for women to cheat, but that is beyond the scope of this discussion and also I'd be beating a dead hors…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 10:41 PM
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There are both masculine and feminine traits deemed negative that facilitate societal instability and breakdown (eg male propensity for physical violence). These traits encompass the "toxic masculinity/femininity" buzzwords that are all the rage these days, although I should say only toxic masculinity is really thrown around because mainstream media largely supports feminist agendas.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 10:36 PM
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Fair enough. Both TRP and MGTOW to use examples of reds support a lifestyle and approach that for all intents and purposes assumes AWALT is literal truth. Even if some don't think it's all women they feel it is safest to assume it is. I'd honestly have to agree with this, but for what it's worth I harness the same level of caution toward almost all people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 01:56 PM
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Is a hypothesis requiring a longer, more extensive thought-out experimental process to be taken less seriously because there are many more variables to consider and control for?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 01:23 PM
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Except that for all your measurements and statistics I can argue none of them support AMALT by a longshot. Also, just because one claim is more easily tested and measurable doesn't mean it is more credible than the other. Also, AWALT is fairly new in comparison to the feminist brand of AMALT - I'd give it time. Re: the "comparing" I was doing, I was saying that feminists should be okay with men generalizating women in the same way they generalize men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 01:06 PM
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I don't think it is fair in this case to compare crime statistics versus the type of lapse(s) inferred by AWALT. It is much easier to measure physical domestic violence or rape from men toward women (even when taking unreported cases into account) than the type of wrongdoing inferred with AWALT - which deals more in terms of female nature that does not necessarily manifest itself into punishable criminal activity. I am also not sure how a proven greater propensity for violence in men in any way …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 12:47 PM
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If we are talking about the context of there being enough men steeped in rape culture to be a problem, no I do not personally agree - in that I don't feel rape or supporting and facilitating what constitutes rape is encouraged in our society. However, I understand and am okay with feminists employing the logic of countering "not all men" with "enough men" when addressing what they see are problems - because of common sense. You don't need to believe all men are potential rapists to believe men r…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 12:35 PM
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But I hate everyone. In all seriousness I'm not sure how pointing out hypocrisy puts the onus on me. Some degree of generalization is actually fine when discussing societal problems - if you're going to generalize though, don't get mad at generalizations from people you disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 07:31 AM
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If feminists and blue-pillers think "enough men for it to be a problem" is a sufficient comeback to #notallmen, why is AWALT a problematic concept?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 06:29 AM
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I definitely notice. I wouldn't say I judge, but if I know a woman is promiscuous I won't ever consider her for LTR. Friendly acquaintance and ONS are ok, but maybe not even a close friendship because of potential tension that would not mix well with said promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 11:22 PM
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It has worked very well as long as you are willing to put in the effort to act like someone you're not. Over time many men realize the effort required is not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 11:19 PM
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Likely to be true. Likely to also apply to women. Therefore not sure what the point of this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 07:44 AM
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Gender roles. The same reason why men are told to "man up" and "be a man" and demonstrate traits inferring dominance, mental and physical strength and fortitude, confidence, independence, etc. Although I am not necessarily against gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 06:10 AM
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I've never heard of a man in contemporary discussion being excused or justified for cheating because he stays and doesn't divorce his wife afterward. I usually sympathize with the red-pill and men in general but this would be one of the few cases I agree with an OP from the opposite side - but again I don't find the above to be a common sentiment in any sense of the phrase. Meanwhile however, I find many articles that try to explain and justify female cheating, if they don't outright blame men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/18 05:21 AM
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Another question beaten into the ground with an obvious answer. Women don't want to seem shallow and are pressured into appearing as the purer and morally superior sex. Society hammers into our brains that women aren't as primal and horny (read: dirty) as men, whom we're taught are very shallow and looks-oriented (and they are). Women then say and act in accordance and men believe and act in accordance. Even women who admit LMS matters recite the mantra that personality matters most when obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/18 06:51 AM
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A long time ago I read/heard something that made a lot of sense to me. Something like 'women are attracted most to men who are rebellious and aggressive rule-breakers just enough to garner fear and wary respect yet not get themselves arrested or socially ostracized."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/18 06:40 AM
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Men are less likely to have support systems because of both nature and nurture. You can say men are more likely to be lonely as a result but also men in general are more okay with being alone, both physically and emotionally. During times when men do need support and find a lack of it - this is when it seems like men are lonelier but then it's more of an acute case rather than a general rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 01:36 PM
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Perhaps someone should tell women then, that they should be okay with men who value them only for their looks, since that is how men are wired - in the same way the direction of this thread implies men should stop projecting and appreciate female attention and commitment without visually-induced lust - because women also value BB traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 01:13 PM
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The red-pillers have said all the things here already that I've wanted to say. So much hamstering. So much bullshit. And actually nothing OP said even really challenged AFBB itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 01:06 PM
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This is where I say again that everyone is shallow but society pretends everyone isn't, and especially teaches us women aren't shallow. Women are often the ones themselves who say things to make themselves appear not shallow. You can blame women, you can blame the gynocentric system ironically run by mostly men, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 06:02 AM
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Respect for you then. Some of us are still sorting out major issues and scars re: self esteem ego etc. as blue pill as that sounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 06:54 AM
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Preselection works like a charm. I'm nothing special and find a lot of women will gravitate toward me when one or two women give me attention or flirt with me. Honestly it's a double edged sword because in the back of your head you know they are coming to you not because of who you are but because they see other women coming to you. Then you know they don't really like you for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 06:35 AM
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It's funny how people talk about unhealthy body standards, body dysmorphia, pressure etc. While eating disorders are bad and life threatening, just look around you if you live in the west. Does it look like everyone is starving themselves or overdoing it in the gym? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 05:05 PM
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It's true. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Sluts and nice guys both lower the value of female and male bargaining chips respectively. The difference is nice pushover men are not especially shamed or disliked by other men - but they should be. Since blue-pilled society encourages these men to wife up women and be good little providers the overall value and demand of the average man is lowered.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 04:54 AM
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Because it's everywhere, people are more likely to view it as acceptable because tv and media are powerful central sources of influence. Yeah I can make sure I don't cheat. I can make sure I treat people with respect. I can make sure to give my male and female friends equal amounts of shit when they cheat. I don't know how else to communicate that it's a problem if TV and media promote unequal treatment for equal lapses and crimes. For the same reasons feminists feel more than a need to believe …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 12:29 AM
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You can't seriously believe there is no male equivalent to "slut". You can't seriously believe the current zeitgeist doesn't shame men for sleeping around. You're delusional if you don't think men are shit on more than women for promiscuity regardless of physiological differences indicated by science, even and especially in academic circles at these left-wing indoctrination institutions they call universities nowadays. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hazard a guess we've just lived ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 12:20 AM
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Everything I wrote ties together society's inherent tendency to allow women more lenience. This of course, also applies to sexual infidelity. The examples are not so much blatant pardons of women cheating, but in the way women are punished and viewed less harshly for their mistakes - in the form of empathy and sympathy, lesser fines and prison sentences, and so on. Aside from infidelity, women are also judged less harshly for other things as I said before, including domestic violence, sex with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 11:46 PM
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Any quick google search, or simply scrolling through social media, should give way to a myriad of articles promoting female empowerment and lamentations of "toxic masculinity". Blaming men for lack of attention while a woman is "forced" to look elsewhere for deserved attention is a meme. High profile tweets supporting the mistreatment of men all in the name of achieving "gender equality" (lol) abound with hundreds if not thousands of likes. People talk about false-rape accusers as a greater harm…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 11:29 PM
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Simple repeated observation from media and news sources, blogs, editorials, and both oral and written remarks and comments from friends and acquaintances indicate to me that modern sentiments re: male and female cheating gravitate toward female empowerment and feminist ideas - all of which bestow leniency to women and harsher criticism and condemnation for men. As to your second point I wonder if you understood my point in turn. Cheating is wrong period but it's still a problem if it's more acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 09:24 PM
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It can also be said that since men gravitate more toward purely physical encounters regardless of surrounding context they are more likely to be guilty of sexual infidelity. I've also talked to many many women who say they would be more hurt if their SO was emotionally cheating or sharing emotional intimacy with other women vs watching porn or pure sex. Women may crave the physical aspect as much as men but it more often strictly with the context of an LTR. I'm not justifying cheating by men - i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 09:15 PM
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That doesn't change the fact that contrary to what OP implied, it is still more acceptable in this day and age for women to cheat. Men are blamed when they cheat and blamed when cheated on. Women are of course also blamed when they cheat but it is not comparable to mass progressive psychology in the modern day.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 09:07 PM
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I felt this warranted a separate reply rather than merely an edit. Curious as to the psychology behind "living with it." There is a world of difference between living with the belief that men are horndogs vs living with the belief that all men will rape you and everyone given zero consequences. Many TRP and MGTOW also believe women can't help their nature (which MGTOW find repulsive) and refuse to live with it and forego serious relations with women forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 08:42 PM
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What you know is wrong. To echo the sentiments of other dissenters. Most men are willing to have sex with anything/anyone they find remotely attractive as long as the other person is willing. This is also in line with the feminist progressive idea that rape is about power, not about sex. Even this does not apply to all or even most men. I agree with other men saying sex is repulsive to me with an unwilling partner, backed by lust or power whathaveyou. And I don't believe I'm an anomaly nor a par…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 08:23 PM
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I agree the male sex drive is strong and devoid of morality, in that men will have sex with anything or anyone they can find sexually attractive without care about anything else about that person (or object). When it comes to pure no-strings-attached sex, men's standards are also a lot lower. However I'm guessing if women truly swallowed the red pill as young girls and truly believed all men would rape indiscriminately bar repercussions that begs the question why women aren't disgusted with all …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 07:59 PM
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yeah, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 07:56 PM
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The saying implies a woman's lack of capacity for loyalty and her innate tendency to treat men as temporary utilities until she finds something better. I don't disagree with this entirely btw. But TRP is going much farther than merely warning men against overattachment here and is speaking universally about the nature of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 09:12 AM
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We can argue about which behaviors should be considered acceptable or unacceptable for men and women separately, but the double standard meme(s) for men and women inherently don't make sense since men and women are different - it's not unreasonable to have different prescriptions for either group. A double standard implies that there should only be one standard for both and there's no reason to expect that contrary to current progressive mentalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 09:03 AM
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It's just biology. Science and nature don't care about the neat and clean moral frameworks and cupboards human societies have created to promote stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/18 06:49 AM
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RP adherent myself but a lot of these manosphere mods are pussy snowflakes themselves unable to handle disagreement. Got banned from r/mgtow for God knows what but probably due to random butthurtery.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 09:05 AM
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I'm not sure if you can make the leap to that conclusion. Men can be both judged more harshly for their mistakes while being more likely to admit fault. This in part can be due to how men are brought up in terms of accountability, and also that they are less preoccupied with maintaining a pure image and reputation. You can blame a system largely with male tradcon roots if you wish, on giving birth and reinforcing this inaccurate ideal. We are taught after all that girls are sugar and spice and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 01:21 AM
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Mainstream progressive noise constantly rails against how women are constantly shamed for their actions, when in reality they are often given lenience if not encouragement. Men are consistently given more shit for their sins (deservedly so if it's their fault) but are told to stop being so judgmental of women even while being more harshly judged.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 12:34 AM
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If I can beat a dead horse. It's not simply the double standard that gets to men. It's the double standard combined with constant reminders from media that it's the other way around that completes the double insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 12:21 AM
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Fair enough. I think I was just expressing my observation that society still remains much more critical when men fuck up - to contest the idea that we are harsher or more judgmental toward women for their sexual practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 12:08 AM
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Well of course because cheating means breaking an assumed heavily-invested mutual trust that both parties won't sleep with other people. With being single and promiscuous there isn't that explicit inference between individuals even though single horndogs can be equally deceptive and traitorous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 12:03 AM
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Progressives and feminists won't stfu about slut shaming, but men get so much more shit for cheating. When women cheat people ask questions about what the man was doing wrong. Was he not giving her enough attention? Spending too much time at work? Sexually inadequate or not attentive to her needs? And when all else fails, girl power. It's almost like that other buzzword they love - oh right, 'victim blaming'. On an additional note, just lol if you think victim blaming for female rape victims is …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 11:28 PM
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I don't see the contradiction you are referring to. I'll have to take your word for it, but growing up as a guy I almost never heard that a guy should be attractive and confident - physical attractiveness was like a trait that was taboo to laud and encourage. Almost everyone and everything referred to being a "good" guy or man - e.g. being responsible, being a good listener, being respectful, and being sensitive. Get a good job, nice career, become financially stable. None of these are bad trait…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 12:56 AM
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How about the short women who demand 6'3" men or poor women who demand providers. Tbf it's not really in anyone's nature to settle. Ugly people are still attracted to attractive people like everyone else and many are likely to try to go for the best looking person they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 12:28 AM
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It's the opposite. Barring exceptions for those with mental disorders goodlooking people are generally nicer because they've been treated better. They have less reason to be bitter jaded or angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:50 PM
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Um no. What girls and women have often said is that personality matters above all. Men hear this from women. Men hear this from everyone. They read it in books and are taught this by their well-meaning parents, teachers, counselors, and community figures. I'll give women the benefit of the doubt here and say they aren't actively trying to deceive men when they say this, but are just trying not to appear shallow. I won't do the same for society as they need placative male doormats to keep the mac…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 07:43 PM
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Pretty broad brush you got there. Completely willing to entertain that it takes certain types of people to remain within the TRP fold, but that goes for anything really. The only concession I'd make is that I process negative experiences much more strongly than positive ones, and this includes human observation. Not rare among our species. TRP's revelations re: women and life can largely be considered negative even if helpful because they run so contrary to the social programming of men. It's la…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 07:33 PM
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That's fair. There are many who vehemently argue that men wanting sex more than women is archaic oppressive thinking but really, if women want sex but have all these conditions re: context and standards, then no, they don't get to say they want it as bad. The more you want something the less it matters as to the quality and circumstances - basically the average man will fuck any remotely decent looking woman at any time and as the zeitgeist attests it can even be a robot or hole in the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 07:13 AM
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For sure 100%. Also, the incel forums are proof that good looks mean fuck all if you're socially retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 07:08 AM
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I adhere to many RP and BP ideas but admittedly sometimes feel I have no choice but just to think women are crazy. I know many women, either ones I used to date or am still seeing from time to time, or just friends, who say they constantly want sex but then won't have sex with men they have confirmed to find sexually attractive. A lot of reasons I've heard are like "well he's an idiot" "we went out for a drink and he was really boring". We aren't talking about marriage here and they are saying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 03:20 AM
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Somehow I find this hard to believe. I don't think there is a shortage of unlucky in love beta males looking to white knight the first remotely attractive woman who will let them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 03:12 AM
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The key phrase is socially well adjusted. They may not be a majority, but incel forums are full of cases of good looking guys who can't find a woman who will fuck them to save their life because they are severely socially stunted, bitter, angry, awkward, whathaveyou.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 02:10 AM
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The whole draw of family is the established bonds of love, trust and mutual respect between all members and especially between husband and wife at the core. Being a betabux, someone your wife does not really respect or feel attracted to but either subconsciously or consciously sees as a utility, effectively destroys all reason to value or have a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 09:39 PM
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Looks and sounds like polish or eastern european immigrant with german nationality. Not saying there aren't exceptions but a lot of times these types of women are brought up with traditional no nonsense cutthroat survivalist values of landing a man when you can and extracting resources at all costs.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/02/18 09:31 PM
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She's the tradcon's wet dream. Takes care of her looks, went forth and multiplied at a young age and shat out a kid. Too bad she's a single mother most likely because of her shitty taste and decision-making no doubt influenced by postmodern feminism. It really doesn't matter who left who. Captain save-a-ho is never worth it as young attractive women are a dime a dozen.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/02/18 09:28 PM
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Men who actually rape or beat women are scum. Most women who say "please stop beating and raping us" have never been beaten or raped unless we start to stretch the definition of rape to regret or awkward dates as is the current trend. The vast majority of feminist noise is herd-mentality driven cries for attention. People are right in saying this discredits and drowns out the voices of real victims. On that note, of course nobody cares about the male victims of false accusations - false accusers…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 08:50 AM
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I am completely okay with partner sharing because at this point it's difficult for me to see women as anything other than people to have casual sex with if we're talking about the male-female dynamic between opposite sexes. It's hard to look past the fallibility(s) of humanity I've witnessed in the past 10 years. I just can't see people the same way as I did in my 20s. Fuck buddies, friends, sure. Risking committed monogamy with trust, probably not. For the record if I was a woman I'd probably f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 07:34 AM
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Incels rage at fat women because while they see themselves as being genetically disadvantaged with shitty bone structure, frame, or height, they believe fat women can easily just lose weight and yet stay nasty and entitled. The belief furthermore is that female beauty standards are much easier to obtain (just don't be fat, just be thin, just don't overeat) versus male beauty standards (strict calculated diet, workout plans, endless dedication and OCD, top 5% Chad aesthetics etc). I share some of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 07:28 AM
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How is this different from all the long-winded feminist rants and spaces you find at every corner on the internet? At least their words will be greeted with blind acceptance because unlike MGTOW, MRA or other voices of countermovements their perspectives are not taboo. Go ahead and start a sub for creepy ass incels. Nothing pleases me more than seeing bitches and assholes get theirs, male or female.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 07:03 AM
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Men love to blame all of society’s ills on women like this for not “picking” and vetting better men, but the reality is a lot of them can’t do better. The context here is not a bottom-of-the-barrel woman not being able to do better. When men say this re: female choice they are usually referring to guys who are selected for being perhaps physically or sexually attractive but more importantly also possessing dark-triad traits and sociopathic delinquent or criminal tendencies. In this sense critics…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 07:31 AM
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Problem is people, men especially, are taught growing up looks don't matter and that all you need to do to attract women is be kind and sensitive (i.e. "girls love sensitive guys"). I have very poignant memories of being taught this by older peers as well as reading this in self-help books. This is a double whammy. Not only then do many men forego effort into their looks, they also don't develop the type of strong confident decisive and ambitious personalities that women are actually drawn to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 07:24 AM
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I am fairly red and black-pilled, not blue-pilled at all, but the irony of incel forums like lookism is that the sites themselves prove the importance of personality - being NT/neurotypical and not being weird and awkward - since so many of them are incel but normal to decent looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 07:17 AM
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I have a hard time discerning which questions on PPD are actually meant to generate meaningful discussion and which are simply meant to be setups for the reinforcement of existing opinions. Traditional gender roles state the man is the one who spends money and resources to woo the woman. Progressives love to pick and choose which aspects of traditional gender roles they'd like to keep and discard. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 07:09 AM
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Individuals have really nothing else off of which to base their perspectives and opinions except all they have observed and experienced. Empathy no matter how sincere only takes you so far. If someone has had mostly bad experiences with the opposite sex there's a good chance they're going to see the opposite sex in a negative light and act in accordance - understandably so - even if they can entertain and accept that others have had better experiences. This goes for all things, not just PPD issu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 07:31 AM
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It works and it works a lot. But you have to ask yourself if it's really worth the trouble. I'm not Chad by a longshot, but I don't really have much trouble getting laid. When I employed PUA tactics my success increased. But deep down inside I actually felt shitty because I wondered/knew they wanted to fuck me b/c they thought I was someone I wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 05:26 AM
2

Is this question just meant to be provocative and rhetorical? The obvious answer is the correct one - women don't see and crave sex the same way men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 08:07 AM
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Many RP men believe to the extent now that things were not ever in men's favor even before any feminism - i.e. men being the disposable sex and tasked with provider responsibilities despite women having less de facto liberties and rights. As a result you see men shedding traditional gender roles but not for the same reason(s) as promoted by the left. I'm seeing more and more of this mentality even where I am and I live in a red state.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 08:03 AM
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Studies actually show women in more turbulent areas wrought with greater incidences of violence, poverty, upheaval, war, political instability, lack of resources etc. prefer men with more masculine features. I do agree evolution points in the direction of more androgynous phenotypes though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 06:49 AM
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Video games are an amazing investment. $40-60, and that's a relatively high price tag, for hours if not months and years of entertainment for an amount most easily spend in a single night out. Most guys already knew right away video games are incredible when they first discovered them before hitting puberty or remotely realizing the significance of sociopolitical issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 07:50 AM
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Everyone has problems and complains about their problems. The anger toward women complaining about their problems is not just because the manosphere feels women have it easier - the complaints manifest into feminist-driven policies, culture and zeitgeist(s) that the manosphere perceives as making life [even] more difficult for men and promoting societal degeneration. Edit: I know this is CMV. I feel not every comment in a CMV thread should necessarily directly challenge the OP's post. This is PP…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 07:33 AM
1

Fucking Skynet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 10:36 AM
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As a MGTOW I agree with a lot of their views. Like most other subs, r/MGTOW is a circle jerk echo chamber and a good place for like-minded guys to blow off steam. I partook in this heavily and would still do so if they did not ban me. Echo chambers are therapeutic and serve a purpose as long as you see them for what they are. They are pretty darn sensitive to dissenting opinions and debate. At least here there is room for dialogue. I think if MGTOWs care to make progress, if even only for their …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 10:22 AM
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According to the lamentations of the manosphere society (eg online dating and technology, feminism, progressive politics) has made it much easier for women to pursue men with LMS at their leisure - to have their cake and eat it too if you will - while settling for betabux and crying out for empowerment and against 'rape culture' at the same time. Modernity has enabled women to fully employ the AFBB mating strategy to their heart's content. Maybe I'm rambling a bit. But I don't think the problem …
/r/TheRedPill25/01/18 02:04 AM
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The equivalent of shaming female sluts is not shaming male sluts or promiscuous men. It's shaming what the manosphere would call beta cuck white knights, because both female sluts and male white knights freely give out the biggest bargaining chips of their sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 05:29 AM
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Do you think women can alter their biology into genuinely preferring men with eucivilizational traits over men who are physically well endowed or alpha? Traditional society has hidden and suppressed the true nature of women - whereas feminism and postmodern progressive ideology(s) have revealed said nature and allowed women to freely act upon and pursue the men they are truly attracted to. Along with the 80-20 principle and increasing gynocentric politics have cultivated TRP MGTOW etc and all as…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 07:41 PM
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I mean they're not wrong. Emotions are good for LTR. But who wants an LTR.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 05:10 AM
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Lifelong social conditioning and taboos. Even if men enjoy success with many sexual partners early on in life, they are constantly encouraged if not pushed and shamed to eventually find and settle down with a "soulmate". Traditionally and perhaps still currently women feel this pressure at an even earlier age and to a greater extent - the diminishing of this pressure in modern times is a point of contention between many red and blue-pilled factions (e.g. MGTOW vs. feminists).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:13 AM
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I don't know enough about your specific circumstances or situation to really speculate or comment much. Assuming I'll take your word for it re: everything you've said, there are MGTOW men who would not be MGTOW men if more women were like who you say you are. On the other hand, there are also MGTOWs who insist you can't change your biology, that it's a matter of time you desire Chad or someone of higher LMS ( serial hypergamy) even if you marry a nice provider type - and if you don't, you are me…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 05:24 AM
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Honestly I'm not sure. At 20 I would have been. I'm in my early 30s now and my mind has changed. A lot of men believe the average young women has it easier than the average young man, which holds a grain of truth be told whether you believe it's because of nature or societal norms. They see a lot of women enjoying better dating and sex lives in their 20s, they believe in the 80-20 rule (i.e. many women only desiring a few men - vice versa they believe the opposite) and resent being settled for. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 04:47 AM
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Selfish behavior is a given for survival regardless of sex or species no matter how much you like to pat yourself on the back for all your good deeds. Organisms prioritize their own needs and care for their young and their families, but also kill and maim others indiscriminately for their own benefit. Sometimes they even kill their own partners and young, and this is normal, generational, and encoded in their DNA. In humans at least, extreme masculine behavior causes more bodily/physical and tan…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 04:31 AM
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I'm not going to argue that since every situation is different. You can't deny a lot of MGTOW have had awful experiences with women and you can't deny a lot of them are just brats. I was just banned arbitrarily from the MGTOW sub probably because somebody somewhere got butthurt because I didn't fit into their neat little box and demonstrated individual thought. This doesn't stop me from being MGTOW for my own reasons. As for not liking themselves, plenty of good people also lack self respect and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 04:24 AM
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Toxic masculinity is often just masculinity. Nature is not sunshine and rainbows by default and masculinity is/was a part of the puzzle to ensure survival. Survival often requires dominance, aggression, and pushing aside emotion for bouts of logic and concentration.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 12:34 AM
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That's where the fork in the road is isn't it. I identify as MGTOW above all else - ironically was just banned from the MGTOW sub (lol). The vast majority of men there believe sexbots are better than women because real women lack all the things you just listed that you offer. They say women are incapable of truly loving a man, withhold sex esp. after marriage, are not lazy, are too old by the time they stop fooling around with dickhead guys, and are manipulative and thus offering insufficient su…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 11:55 PM
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I don't speak for all men but pure sex and emotions including love have always been easily separable for me. If I find someone physically and sexually attractive I am willing to have sex with them even if I hate their guts. Surely love and sex can coexist at the same time, but feeling sexual desire without love or vice versa is not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 11:47 PM
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Maybe I don't have the correct definition in mind for a "nice shamer" b/c this makes zero sense to me. A red-pilled man does not respect "nice" guys because they lower the value of the "commitment" bargaining chips of all other men in the dating pool, and sees the nice guy as pathetic and ignorant in thinking doing nice things alone will afford him success with women or the world. The nice guy's looks are irrelevant, even though it may be less common for goodlooking men to resort to placative "n…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 11:32 PM
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I mean this thread is just mental masturbation. Like others have said I haven't done nearly enough research to be qualified for any type of intellectual discussion. Tongue-in-cheek or not I think your proposed solution isn't the nonviolent gradual process the feminist I mentioned had in mind. I was just saying it's funny because like most people I had this knee-jerk aversive reaction to her ideas before coming to appreciate any potential merit to her points after further thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 11:08 PM
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I'm not a Trump voter but this makes me insanely envious of Trump voters.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 11:05 PM
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If only this shit was posted all over social media as often as dime-a-dozen feminist tumblr trash. Maybe someday. Many of us still have way too many blue-pilled mainstream people in our networks to not be wary of repercussions in the workplace and so on.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 10:50 PM
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We should give her some slack as spelling sandwich correctly isn't really taught in Gender Studies until the 3rd or 4th year to be fair.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 10:21 PM
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Hm ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 09:50 PM
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The internet is full of incels or sexually frustrated social retards with mediocre to well above average looks. Goes to show 8/10 aesthetics only takes you so far even if you may get IOIs or a foot in the door easier than subhumans. You're not going to enjoy much sexual success if you spend ample amounts of time debating and nitpicking facial features on incel subreddits and shitposting Chad memes. This may apply to the atlantic68 guy to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 09:47 PM
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Many don't because they have never felt the need to or been put into life circumstances where they would ever come across or seek it. That doesn't mean TRP wouldn't help your good looks and sexual success go even farther. If you're talking about helping other men learn TRP not making sense bc it would be bolstering competition, I suppose that's just dependent upon your personal life philosophy(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 08:03 PM
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The friend label has come to have such a broad definition that it's become pointless. A lot of people will refer to members of the opposite sex as friends when really what happened is someone tried to get into someone else's pants and shit went wrong - but for a variety of reasons they still keep in touch or haven't cut each other off altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 07:56 PM
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If it were me the convo would have ended after the 2nd panel, just lol and walk away.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 08:48 AM
1

Yes of course. Because there's no way we would empathize with Aziz in that as men we could be accused of rape at any time because of something like regret and/or other arbitrary fleeting emotions. It must be because our ultimate goal with women is to push as hard as we can to the letter of the law without going to jail for sexual assault. Frankly many of us red-pillers don't care much for Aziz. He reeks of placating misdirected progressive male feminism so common among line-toeing celebrities, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 10:00 PM
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The problem is once again not that women want both looks and personality. Many red and black-pillers will argue looks (and money or status) matter much more, but we don't even need to go there. It's that men hear from both women and society that personality matters most. We are encouraged to be kind, sensitive, reliable, ("treat her like a queen") yada yada and assured that women find this irresistible above all else. As a result many men become confused, hurt, bitter, and sometimes ruined for l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 09:47 PM
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A no-brainer. 1) Innate serial hypergamy in the context of LTR. 2) Why wouldn't they want marriage? The modern institution benefits them in every way, and in many of those ways to the detriment and risk of the man. 3) Marriage is advertised and pushed upon men and women alike as a major life goal and benchmark, and women on average are more prone to the herd mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 07:07 PM
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It definitely works on the vast majority of men who have been trained from birth to put women on pedestals as sugar and spice and everything nice who can do no wrong. Even red-pilled men learning to realize their worth and the fallibility of the opposite sex find it a constant struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 06:59 PM
1

All I know is feminists will promote non-white cultures such as those of the Muslim or Native American variety as a way to lob more criticism toward the cis white-male patriarchy. The sexism on steroids that is the hallmark of these aforementioned traditional cultures is conveniently never ever mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 06:56 PM
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Another hollywood feminist libcuck. He had a platform. He was part of the problem. By all means we should use this as yet another example to go MGTOW. By no means should we feel bad for him.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 11:39 PM
1

The importance of pulling out.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 03:26 AM
3

And gone tomorrow.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 06:55 PM
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Only by name. They are hyper-capitalist money worshipping to the core and on a whole nother level. Not necessarily a good thing either. Mainland chinese women make it a sport to hunt down a man (and green card) and bleed them dry.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 08:23 PM
1

but when a man masturbates to a woman he know in real life without her consent, that is telepathic rape. It's sick. It even affects the victim although she may be unaware but it lowers her energy. Lmfaoo. This is the type of shit I would actually write if I wanted to parody feminism. Also for clarification, that means if a man masturbates to a woman he doesn't know (e.g. in porn), it's not telepathic rape - then does that mean if a POS rapes a woman in real life but doesn't actually know the wom…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 04:45 AM
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The problem with women as opposed to other depreciating assets is they potentially make you miserable - something a car, machine, phone or tv rarely does - and you're expected to stay with it forever instead of replacing it. Also, the asset is statistically more likely to try to replace you first and when that happens you take it up the ass forever after and your life is ruined.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 12:06 AM
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A couple things. My unpopular opinion is that status matters infinitely more to women than looks. Women in general value looks less than men when we're talking about looks being a purely standalone objective criterium. However, online dating forces women to judge a man by his looks first and foremost because personality, status, and other social cues are harder to assess by simply reading online profiles. Furthermore, in a postmodern age when money and physical strength matter infinitely less to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:51 AM
1

Women are not biologically programmed nor environmentally conditioned to ever approach or be direct. Some women who are more forward will approach or ask men out, but most rely on subtle flirtatious signals and body language and expect men to read between the lines. And yes, fear of rejection and plausible deniability go hand in hand here. I've heard countless women say they would never approach a guy even if they were interested because "it's the man's job to pursue" and similar responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:41 AM
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No fucking shit sherlock. Men don't give any fucks about status or education as long as she isn't dumb as shit, and even then it matters little for pump and dump.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 09:45 PM
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The feeling is mutual as prior sentiments here indicate. However men are expected to drop everything and sacrifice life and limb to help women. Not the case vice versa. I'm sorry for your accident and hope you are okay.
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 03:42 AM
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I mean honestly she looks fine there if we're just talking about that picture. Full on makeup and airbrushed to hell, but fine. If only most western women looked like that at 27.
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 02:12 AM
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Pretty sure I've been touched and grabbed inappropriately more times than I've touched others inappropriately, which is to say not once. Go fuck yourself cunt.
/r/MGTOW22/12/17 08:34 AM
5

Half your salary, one of the cheaper deals tbh.
/r/MGTOW22/12/17 02:12 AM
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Scandinavian women are possibly the most overrated women ever with East Asian women a close second. Underrated women being basically every non-Scandi European country but especially those of Eastern Europe and even British women traditionally ridiculed as unattractive. Lots of beauty in other parts of the world too like the Middle East and Africa - unfortunately they are all still women, all still 100% likely to fuck men over.
/r/MGTOW21/12/17 09:48 AM
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Inb4 pics of sexbot. Was somewhat disappoint.
/r/MGTOW21/12/17 12:27 AM
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Male polygamy - Men are the first to initiate sex and the first to want to leave, or at least want the woman to leave. Female hypergamy - Women are the first to initiate LTR and the first to want to leave and end the LTR.
/r/MGTOW20/12/17 02:16 PM
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I agree they aren't the same thing. Not a fan of either. But I'm not really here or willing to argue any of that shit. All I care about is mgtow which is why I post on this sub.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 08:43 PM
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Although Tinder has a bad reputation for being primarily a hookup app, [hamstering hamstering] LOLLLLLL Thankfully, my first Tinder date went pretty well. It was with a stereotypical NYC investment banker. Yeah, and you chose him. I'm sure it had nothing to do with his Tinder pictures or prospect of having money. What a stereotype though, that guy, ugh. Deflection of responsibility #40980, nothing to see here.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 07:51 PM
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It sucks for Chads too. It may not suck as much but it still does. I've flirted and slept with women who had Chad boyfriends. They discarded me soon after, but by then I had come to expect it. Women will always get bored and they are not loyal. It is in their nature to constantly look for something better, or different. I'm no Chad, I just assume I was something different. When you see shit like this constantly, you realize having no girlfriend or wife is a blessing. It helps no men to toe the l…
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 07:46 PM
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What the fuck.
/r/MGTOW07/12/17 07:32 AM
2

What are these bitches mad about? Lolll according to them only pathetic men have a need for these bots. In the same vein of logic they're being done a favor since losers would be weeding themselves out.
/r/MGTOW06/12/17 10:12 PM
2

Oh yes of course. The concern about men being falsely accused is that women may not be taken seriously after that. Not that men will have their reputations and lives ruined. Eat shit, cunts.
/r/MGTOW03/12/17 01:58 AM
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I've talked to many men who through conversation I've come to regard as harboring red-pilled views. I utter the word MGTOW without hesitation, but I have yet to meet someone irl who knows what I'm talking about - unfortunately. They always go "huh, what?" and I always smile and shrug and just say "nothing." As long as they have the correct mindset. Plenty of guys out there are mgtow without knowing it.
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 11:52 PM
2

Everyone has to default to the SJW persuasion if they want that mainstream youtube $$ to keep rolling in.
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 08:50 PM
2

This is a perfect reminder for mgtow. If he had never gotten married (with no prenup nonetheless) and wasn't blue-pilled to kingdom come he could have graduated comfortably into the mgtow life, immersed in hobby(s) he truly loves with the financial means to support them. Despite being in shape or having $$ or social skills and connections with "real" interests many of us struggle for something like that to latch onto. Now he stands to lose half or more of his shit along with crushing emotional b…
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 05:08 AM
2

Why is this guy catching so much hate from comments on various sites? I'm only vaguely familiar with his background and youtube channel etc. Is it just a bunch of people projecting hatred of their own tendency to white knight beta cuck or did he actually rub fans the wrong way.
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 04:30 AM
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And women want to talk about being compensated for emotional labor. Sure after you compensate men for putting up with your manipulation, guilt trips, jealousy, mood swings, fickleness and inability to make decisions or decide what you want, and overall batshit insane logic-free bullshit.
/r/MGTOW29/11/17 09:23 AM
1

I work in a setting with mostly young women and they are constantly confiding in me about men who hit on them and how "creepy" it is - these same women have repeatedly confirmed what TRP already knows, that it's creepy "unless they are hot." So basically being straightforward about sexual attraction is not objectively creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/17 07:45 AM
1

"How do you get over breaking a girl's heart?" LOLLLL To describe this sub as blue-pilled is excessively generous. The only way this shit could be ok is if the guys discussing this are 12.
/r/MGTOW27/11/17 06:28 AM
15

Shacking up with a single mother in the west is very fucking stupid. Shacking up with a single mother from mainland China? Certifiably insane. Golddigging is practically an Olympic sport there, and a man with money, and often western citizenship, is the ultimate prize.
/r/MGTOW26/11/17 04:34 AM
4

Comment of the year.
/r/MGTOW24/11/17 02:26 AM
3

I hope more feminists start saying stuff like this in public so there's no confusion to observers about who they really are.
/r/MGTOW22/11/17 07:19 PM
1

My very broad and simplified definition of a high quality man is a man with whom many women are willing to have casual sex. A high quality woman is a woman with whom many men are willing to settle down and commit. Because in the former the men are the keys trying to open locks and in the latter it's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 07:03 PM
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The entire debate is completely dependent upon one's definition of high quality. A woman can be drop dead gorgeous and intelligent, but is her high quality status compromised if she has mental issues and perversions? A circular argument that supports OP is basically that if a woman is of very high quality she cannot be spinned because by default she has easy access to men willing to commit with the exception of the top >1% of men. Nevertheless there are still too many circumstantial and personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:54 PM
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Good for them. A win there is a win here.
/r/MGTOW22/11/17 09:43 AM
1

Traditionally actually re: the marriage contract the most valuable thing a woman offers to a man is in fact not sex or companionship but her womb and the bearing of his child. As everyone also knows here marriage was originally strictly a business transaction between families - concepts such as love, chemistry, affection and romance had no place between the lines or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 09:27 AM
1

TRP also challenges many conservative views such as those on marriage and family. TRP almost universally centers on the male perspective, and some within view many conservative beliefs as outdated and no longer serving their interests and well-being in accordance with the changing times. There are even those who believe tradition has always hurt men and benefited women. Men who advocate for marriage are often deemed naive and delusional and are ridiculed by many in the TRP-friendly manosphere fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 09:19 AM
1

Just another reminder of why you shouldn't date these women. FTFY
/r/MGTOW21/11/17 11:20 PM
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Engagement rings and marriage ceremonies in general totaling tens of thousands of dollars make absolutely zero sense even to those who can afford them. One of the biggest fucking scams of our time hordes of chumps still blindly fall for. Wake the fuck up. This is not even a red-pill thing, just common sense and survival. Does it make sense to go 35k deeper when statistically you're already up to your ears in expenses?
/r/MGTOW21/11/17 11:12 PM
1

In my martial arts classes when I was paired up to spar or grapple with a girl I was never sure what to do. If I went all the way and beat her I'd be an awful person, if I held back and she beat me I'd get laughed at. In the end, I'd always have to choose to hold back to make it look like she had a chance but then eventually beat her so it looked like a good even match.
/r/MGTOW21/11/17 11:10 PM
1

Yeah this is most girls today. The only ones who don't are the terminally introverted and reserved.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 02:03 AM
2

Everyone in the photos looks miserable, like they'd rather be doing literally anything else.
/r/MGTOW21/11/17 01:47 AM
2

First one has already been happening for awhile.
/r/MGTOW21/11/17 01:37 AM
1

I edited and deleted that part because I agree. I retracted the statement after further thought. Looks don't matter nearly as much for men as many people think they do, and when they do it's matter of traits that signal social status and demographic such as cleanliness, grooming, style rather than pure biological aesthetics. But I do agree due to many factors (eg male sex drive, the science of female attractiveness) a woman can be considered attractive as long as she looks young and isn't fat. E…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 06:33 PM
1

That's why I say I basically hate men as much as I hate women. I care about men's issues because they affect me. That is all.
/r/MGTOW20/11/17 06:45 AM
13

There are many things about women I cannot stand, I have zero interest in their issues given how much the world screws over men, and I am MGTOW for life, but I echo the sentiments of those who say at least in today's world this isn't too much of a problem. That and laziness in the workplace. I work with mostly younger college-age women, retarded drama abounds and it's impossible not to be redpilled, but they do have solid work ethic. Feminism has taught them they can work hard play hard pay thei…
/r/MGTOW20/11/17 05:03 AM
4

Not really directly mgtow-related, but here in the states pay a woman for sex and it's punishable by law. Use a camera while you fuck her and it's legal distribution of entertainment.
/r/MGTOW19/11/17 10:36 PM
1

Looks don't matter nearly as much for men as they do for women regardless of what lookism fanboys with asperger's say. But they do matter. As plenty have said before, a threshold or minimum requirement must be reached, but it's not the #1 priority for women as is the case for men where looks plays a huge part in the women he pursues. More importantly, when women assess a man's appearance, everything is filtered through the lens of status - physical traits implying a certain demographic (desirabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/17 10:23 PM
1

Lack of pursuit often does indicate lack of interest, but lack of interest does not indicate perception of said woman as inferior. If a man does not pursue a woman clearly even if he may find her attractive, captivating, worthy of a one-night stand, affair, or relationship he is not motivated enough by her qualities to do so. But like many have already said it could just be that the man is busy, shy, insecure with poor social skills, mgtow, misogynistic, depressed, already occupied with other wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/17 05:11 AM
1

Many guys, or perhaps virtually all guys in the manosphere online, only count sexual attraction, or maybe attraction to social status and dominance, as legitimate. They find it of no consolation if a woman values them for their kindness or provider ability. It is the provider who remains unaware as his mate is seeking out other men with superior genetic material for short stints of sex. Thus providers are labeled as males with inferior genetic material, and also the victims of the female mating …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/17 04:46 AM
5

People tend to take the red-pill analogy from the Matrix a little too literally, as if once someone swallows the mystical and powerful red pill and opens their eyes they will be forever changed and there is no return. It's true shit is eye opening, shocking, depressing etc. but we are in constant danger of backsliding. It takes nothing to revert back to the blue pill. We are biologically wired to placate to and desire the presence, touch, and approval of women in the face of the strongest logic.…
/r/MGTOW19/11/17 01:33 AM
1

The initial movement(s) of feminism are a lot more justifiable in that they sought to give women sexual autonomy and rights to vote and obtain higher education. It is the iteration of third-wave postmodern feminism that is often the object of loathing among many in the manosphere - as a political movement alongside other progressive trains of thought it fixates on grinding a political axe to crucify men under the labels of misogynist, sexist, rapist, et al in the face of logic and without regard…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/17 01:14 AM
1

On that note in fact men are brought up to believe all women are saints. We are taught to default to assuming female innocence and male fault. Admittedly the origins of such indoctrination lie in power structures often governed by bodies consisting of men. As men grow up and acquire observations and experience they find women undeserving of such regard, because they are equally selfish, shallow, and at times even more materialistic, manipulative, cutthroat and heartless. Again, it's more about h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/17 12:55 AM
1

How is this even a question. Men are taught girls are sugar spice and everything nice and we find out later they are at least as bad as men. Couple this with the fact that many men believe postmodern society stacks the odds in favor of women in line with this lie and you'd find it surprising if there wasn't a negative attitude. Ultimately a feeling of being lied to your entire life along with a system that continues to perpetuate said lie(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 11:59 PM
2

Someone plz do a before/after version of marriage using the car bonus stage from Street Fighter.
/r/MGTOW17/11/17 11:46 PM
17

Thanks to feminism now a lot more women have to work no matter what they look like. Enjoy equality.
/r/MGTOW17/11/17 11:44 PM
10

With casual sex the men are the keys and the women are the locks. A key that opens many locks is a great key. A lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock. When we are talking about long-term relationships, the key and lock roles are reversed. When the word slut is used it's implied we are talking about locks that open easily for casual sex. The equivalent of the slut for relationships would be the needy blue-pilled beta cuck male, a demographic that needs to be shamed - just like the…
/r/MGTOW17/11/17 07:05 AM
2

MGTOW must work out.
/r/MGTOW17/11/17 06:35 AM
1

Just lol@ men who talk about golddiggers who have never dated a mainland Chinese girl. Shit is on a whole nother level.
/r/MGTOW17/11/17 01:09 AM
3

I believe people are not to be trusted. People are more flawed than not. In this day and age men's flaws are crucified, women's flaws are celebrated. Do what you will with that information. That is mgtow. Everything else you read here is just an individual's varying perspective.
/r/MGTOW17/11/17 01:00 AM
1

Fake? Still funny.
/r/MGTOW16/11/17 11:11 PM
2

They all want the full lips wide cheekbones duckface raccoon in heat look. As a guy who naturally has both features maybe from being mixed with Asian I honestly find it kind of repulsive (a little unhealthy self-hate perhaps) and prefer a more girl-next-door normal fresh-faced variety.
/r/MGTOW16/11/17 10:15 PM
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As many have mentioned the primary commonality of emphasis in the results is in the eye area. The eyes look smaller, creepier, and more washed out in addition to an overall paleness of the face. This often happens with women when they remove makeup because they remove eyeliner mascara, fake lashes, etc. However in this guy's case and for most men their eye area looks naturally fine due to the male brow ridge, deeper set socketry and stronger lashes. Basically the app is acting as if the dude is …
/r/MGTOW16/11/17 06:27 PM
5

Looks better without makeup tbh. With war paint she looks like a slutty raccoon.
/r/MGTOW16/11/17 02:30 AM
3

That's bc in general men put up with a relationship to get sex and women put up with sex to get a relationship. Men are already kind of averse to LTR, when we get fucked over we become REALLY averse to it. Same with how if a woman has a bad sexual experience or is raped (actually raped) she'll have a negative reaction toward sex for a long time. The problem is men are shamed for wanting sex, women are praised for wanting commitment, and men are shamed for not wanting commitment.
/r/MGTOW16/11/17 01:18 AM
8

Once again more proof that even though the wall is real women can easily mitigate or delay damage simply by not getting fat. All these safety mechanisms and paddings in place and women still fail in society. She looks awful mostly because of weight gain, not because of signs of aging or wrinkles, but fat acceptance every woman is beautiful so you go girl.
/r/MGTOW15/11/17 09:07 PM
2

Coincidentally the person behind this quote is named after what I'm doing right now.
/r/MGTOW15/11/17 08:56 PM
4

Even the after pictures are exceedingly generous.
/r/MGTOW15/11/17 06:25 PM
3

Had to stop scrolling about 20% of the way through when I realized I didn't want to ruin my keyboard.
/r/MGTOW06/11/17 08:27 PM
3

If anything this is yet again more evidence that Chad is not immune to female hypergamy and hamstering. She was actually married to Chad. But she will get bored, and she'll look for either another Chad or some depraved badboy sociopathic rebellious omega male.
/r/MGTOW06/11/17 04:20 AM
1

Many men prefer simplicity and austerity. MGTOWs can afford extravagant excess but unless it's for a hobby they choose not to. More trouble, stress, maintenance, convolution. Many of us in our blue-pilled days spent $ either consciously or subconsciously to get women. Thankfully feminism has relieved at least the red-pilled of that burden. Chris Rock once joked, if women were okay with fucking men in cardboard boxes, men wouldn't buy houses.
/r/MGTOW04/11/17 04:31 PM
7

This is amusing and doesn't even bother me tbh. Just makes me want to pull up a chair with some popcorn and watch the trains crash.
/r/MGTOW04/11/17 03:53 PM
28

All the skinny incels would beg to differ. Even fat women feel entitled to Chads.
/r/MGTOW04/11/17 03:52 PM
1

Well a big part of what turns women on is knowing that the man is turned on soo...
/r/MGTOW04/11/17 07:50 AM
1

It's simple. We just like good movies and dislike bad ones. It has nothing to do with men "aggressively not wanting to be invested in the female narrative" or whatever hamstering bullshit. The vast majority of movies with women as main characters nowadays are just pure garbage. Come to think of it most of the crap that comes out of Hollywood is now. I honestly don't give any fucks about whatever latest superhero installment is released next week, it's getting hard telling them apart.
/r/MGTOW03/11/17 06:52 PM
6

If I were to be completely honest, I am not sure if I am too far down the hole to be able to ever value commitment even if the woman is guaranteed never to stray or cheat. In many ways I agree that feminism has done men a solid by revealing female nature for what it really is, if observation and experience didn't tell men this already. Just by how women are, I find any extended time spent with them to be unbearable. Admittedly a huge factor may be a difference in temperament. Some gravitate towa…
/r/MGTOW03/11/17 05:53 PM
6

Women hold the key to sex, men hold the key to commitment. In the same way, men should view commitment as a waste of time the same way women view casual sex without commitment as a waste of time.
/r/MGTOW03/11/17 05:38 PM
9

10 years ago, a lot shocked me about women. Now, absolutely nothing does. But at the time I remember being in shock and distress about how a woman, when pressured and caught in her own spiral of lies, deception, and hamstering, could turn into an unrecognizable demonic ball of insanity when cornered, even when calmly with logic. If you are lucky, you'll see this godawful transformation into who she really is well before you even think of committing. Of course we all know now there really isn't e…
/r/MGTOW03/11/17 04:32 PM
5

Haha. Gotta love the European mgtows up in this bitch. It's the middle of the night over here in the US.
/r/MGTOW03/11/17 09:44 AM
11

It's "unsettling" that we aren't invested in and have no interest in women in movies. Of course the response to our "interest" is completely contingent upon their tingles and feels. We're either blamed for showing too much interest or not showing enough depending on fucking tea leaves.
/r/MGTOW03/11/17 09:35 AM
6

Women shamelessly flirt and hit on men, including myself, simply because they can or if they're bored. A lot of these women have boyfriends or husbands I regard as better looking and more successful than me, but they are always looking for something different. Basically it makes men not want to ever become boyfriends or husbands. As in if she'll go behind Chad's back to flirt with me, what the hell would she do behind my back if we were together. It should be obvious now even to the most beta of…
/r/MGTOW03/11/17 09:14 AM
1

I know the general idea but I've never seen it. Bluepill romcoms aren't my thing.
/r/MGTOW02/11/17 06:24 PM
3

When you realize most women aren't worth the time even when the sex is there with no strings attached. Much less fat feminists.
/r/MGTOW02/11/17 05:13 AM
1

Incel ratings and logic ftw. 6/10 and 7/10s, basically any guy above average, is top 5%? Lol.
/r/MGTOW02/11/17 05:03 AM
1

Inaccurate. Half of the incels and normies look better than the chads with the exception of the Greensboro jock in the middle. Lookism assburger ratings in full force, inb4 cope.
/r/MGTOW02/11/17 12:57 AM
3

PUA and TRP no doubt works to some degree. The problem is how long are you willing to compromise your own dignity to keep up the act when it comes to LTR or marriage? How do you live with the fact that she only spreads her legs for you because she thinks you're someone you're not. Why would you go to all the trouble to maintain frame in an LTR for a woman who will leave or fuck other dudes on the side for any arbitrary and fickle reason. Unless all you are looking for is ONS, fuck-buddies, or sh…
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 04:11 PM
1

What are your points besides "women will always have it easier than men, wall is cope, mgtow are minority, blue-pill is majority, woe is me and all incel faggots"? Does this not imply you feel mgtow has no, or at least very limited, potential and value? Accept my apology for humoring your ass and go back to jerking off to male models on sluthate.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 10:11 AM
2

This sub tbh seems pretty tame but maybe it's because I've been to too many shitholes. I love a good shitpost. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong soon.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 02:37 AM
2

Petty mgtow moves ftw. Reminds me of that one joke where the asshole from New York starts stabbing himself repeatedly as a big fuck-you when stranded on an island with cannibals so they can't use his skin to make a canoe after they eat him.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 01:17 AM
3

Pissed off cunts make me happy.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 01:13 AM
1

I have yet to see an argument from you for why mgtow cannot improve things for men. What are your facts? Not sure how evidence of 90 year old women banging 20 year olds means gynocentric culture cannot be reversed or at least remedied. But you seem content in your train of thought and I have no desire to change your mind. Keep saying cope if it makes you feel better. As a misanthrope I'm not motivated to delude myself into believing any type of positive world view, as I basically hate men in ter…
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 12:49 AM
1

I dunno what to tell you. This whole kneejerk "cope harder boyo" reaction sluthate lookism r/incel users love is laughable. What reason would I have to cope here? If anything I only benefit as long as there are plenty of blue-pilled normie cucks left to keep the farm going. But think what you want. Mgtow is a minority as it currently stands - people on this sub want mgtow to grow. That's kind of the whole point.
/r/MGTOW24/10/17 06:08 AM
2

Shrug. Difference in experiences and observations. My sex life improved drastically in my late 20s and now early 30s when I became the most red and black-pilled and turned into a jaded asshole with no regard for other people's feelings. I basically cannot see any long term value in women anymore due to their innate nature. Experience and status, two things that often increase with age, help men and literally do nothing for women - it's not a trope for no reason. Unfortunately, many men out of de…
/r/MGTOW24/10/17 02:37 AM
9

Just goes to show with women beauty is almost entirely indicators of youth (and fertility). Her face structure is just whatever and remains the same in both pictures, but on the left when her skin looks young and supple with minimal blotches and lines she looks attractive. Ergo all most women have to do to look good is not be fat and be/look young. With men youthful indicators are usually a mild positive but may in some cases even be detrimental (eg baby fat, beta eyes) - with men attractiveness…
/r/MGTOW22/10/17 09:38 PM
6

It's very simple. Men don't live on attention and validation.
/r/MGTOW19/10/17 07:51 PM
4

Feminism has also relieved men of the social prescription of being primary provider and breadwinner, allowing us to use our resources for our own benefit without stigma, not that I personally give a shit about stigma in the first place. This benefits men but actually hurts women since it goes against what they are biologically programmed to want - a financially and resourcefully dominant partner. Which by the way gents, if she wants you primarily for what you have, it doesn't count anyway.
/r/MGTOW19/10/17 09:23 AM
4

The amount of attention whoring on social media with this hashtag is out of control. Rape and sexual assault, when they actually happen, are abhorrent, but this thing has become another trend where every cunt jumps in for their 5 seconds of fame. "Oh guys I hate these types of bandwagon things, but here goes my story, *cue 10 paragraphs of self-masturbatory hamster TLDR"
/r/MGTOW19/10/17 09:10 AM
3

I haven't underestimated shit. I don't think anyone on this subreddit has. It would suit us well to remember that no matter the knowledge, brutal truths, determination, and purpose we accumulate we will consistently be fighting against our innate biological wiring to placate and cater to the female persuasion.
/r/MGTOW17/10/17 01:46 PM
9

It cannot be stressed enough that a significant reason why women get away with this shit is because the vast majority of men condone it.
/r/MGTOW17/10/17 06:00 AM
2

Refuse to engage feminists and women when they spout this bullshit. Ignore them. Walk away. As an added bonus nothing bothers women more than being ignored. Their fragile egos crave attention even from the most cucky of beta white knights - an increasing majority of the male population anyway - even though they have no intention of ever fucking them or treating them as anything beyond utilities to be manipulated.
/r/MGTOW16/10/17 03:31 AM
4

I'm pretty fucking mgtow but to be fair I'm guessing if you're brilliant and smarter than 99.9% of the population you have little interest in the vast majority of social conventions and interaction with common people - this would def include women or marriage.
/r/MGTOW14/10/17 11:38 PM
12

Typical shallow cunt response, unable to rebuke any ideas from any sort of moral ground and resorting to insults like 'ugly' or 'loser'. That's all you have right? Yeah thought so.
/r/MGTOW14/10/17 12:59 AM
1

Don't tell this to the incel subreddit or I/they'll blow their top. They think women will only go for 6'+ models. The truth is somewhere in between..if you act like a piece of shit you're basically in because this feeds into the modern woman's desire for a man to fit neatly into their narrative of rebellious passion and independence and innate gravitation toward retarded unnecessary drama.
/r/MGTOW12/10/17 04:16 AM
7

And the guys who wife up these women and are okay with being seen as a simply good enough Plan Z after 25 plans involving shitty ass men only have themselves to blame.
/r/MGTOW12/10/17 01:35 AM
9

To paraphrase and credit Bill Burr women see male spaces as a buffet where they pick and choose what they want. "Equal pay, voting, we'll take some of that. Going to war, paying for dinner and drinks, those are yucky, you can keep those."
/r/MGTOW12/10/17 01:33 AM
1

That's not the wall. That's just getting fat. She still has a cute face. Women get all offended when we tell them they should lose weight when it's something they can actually control instead of shitty height frame or face.
/r/MGTOW12/10/17 01:15 AM
2

A long time ago in my blue-pilled days a female friend remarked that Hunchback of Notre Dame was her favorite Disney movie because it made sense. The ugly guy doesn't and shouldn't (as in it wouldn't make sense if he did) get the girl IRL. I didn't recognize it as one of my first blackpilled gems until much later. Better late than never I suppose.
/r/MGTOW10/10/17 11:10 PM
1

I have a few friends male and female who have this. Who the fuck pays a grand for a goddamn phone. Even if you are shitting money out the ass it makes no sense why you couldn't put it to better use.
/r/MGTOW10/10/17 11:00 PM
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