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The general premise of what the OP said is really really true, at least when it comes to the criticism directed at the "Blue Pill" and the third wavers in general RE: any kind of "issues" related to sex or gender that they get their hands on and start tossing around. So the flair was wrong but at the same time the OP's opinion is more or less an accurate and decent one to have as far as this goes, considering that he (?) condemns the BP and the RP on an equal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 04:16 PM
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Tenets of self-improvement, especially physical self-improvement, should just be the status quo mentality in society, as far as I'm concerned. We all know that "waved" feminism was and isn't about equality or egalitarianism-- it's really the furthest thing from it when you see third wave feminism in action, actually. So the answer? Be about legitimate self-improvement and be as "egalitarian" as you can be, with emphasis on remembering that egalitarianism swings both ways when it comes to gender.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 08:31 PM
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I don't even know if it's radicalization in as much as it is the natural hypocrisy around male sexuality that seems to be a staple of the "sex positive movement" that walks hand in hand with the third wave movement. I know that I prefer sexuality of any kind to be more discrete or "classy" if that makes sense and so wouldn't be in favour of unhinged male sexuality as some equivalent to the "pro-slut" attitude for example-- but that's one thing that's very noticeable, the hypocrisy that "sex posi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 07:46 AM
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Ok, I see. I try to avoid reading about her and the sort of people who're on her wave-length, but she does seem to be big on the whole rape hysteria thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 07:10 AM
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argued for that stuff ended up hardcore antisex types Who're you referring to? Who did you think I was referring to? I'm just curious here. Are you talking about second wavers who may've been affiliated with "free love" as in the hippie-associated movement?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 06:45 AM
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You just sound very third wave about it. Maybe I was just reading in the whole "actually believes that society/any society would actually consider this to be a viable option" thing into what you were saying. Regardless whether or not you hear it a few times on the internet, it's preposterous and no one would ever buy into it-- it's about as bad as what you hear from the "fat-positive/stop fat shaming" crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 03:34 AM
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It's because you're writing it in this way that seems to imply that you think people don't get that. No one's actually ever going to say "women who're fit and attractive are obligated to date men who don't take care of themselves/are unhealthy and so are unattractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 03:03 AM
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I think it should be legal everywhere, as the alternative forces people onto the streets and leaves them open to abuse. Selling sex is going to happen one way or the other, why not make it all above-board and safe? That sort of thing belongs in brothels. It should be legal in brothels and there should be a greater initiative to get the worst elements when it comes to prostitution off of the streets/the eye of the public. It shouldn't be "open" and legal. That sort of thing-- barring maybe the qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 01:43 AM
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Are these people in question psychologically disturbed? If they're just hugely unhealthy or otherwise untrained when it comes to basic social graces-- ie, chronic shut ins-- then I fail to see how physical self-improvement of any sort would come second to killing yourself in despair because you're not getting any.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 01:35 AM
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There's no such thing, especially when "sex positivity" is such a stupid concept as it is, in the sense of the way it manifests itself in reality. Anyone who says "it's the free love sex positives versus the horrible repressive puritans" is an idiot and otherwise delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 01:33 AM
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The concepts of "sex positivity" and "incel", are, I think, both extremely stupid-- especially when you see who's making use of either term. That is to say, the third wave feminists and at least a portion of the red pillers. I hold "sex positivity" to be idiotic, especially in practise, for obvious reasons. Most prominently, it's used-- as a lot of things are-- as a vehicle for third wave feminists to try, however they can, to deflect any kind of criticism or anything other then glowing, fawning…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 01:31 AM
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I think that some men care, not "most", like it states in the OP. I think having compatible sex drives in a relationship is more important than how many people you've previously been with. I can say that all of my friends who're men (and absolutely not red pill, as that does seem to be a popular accusation) are what you'd call "anti slut". I am "anti slut" and I've yet to meet a man (apart from a few pathetic third wave "allies") who would consider slutty behaviour to be acceptable when it comes…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 01:06 AM
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How many partners does a woman have before she is labeled an untouchable "whore"? 5? 10? 20? The time frame is everything, as is how the woman in question presents all of this. If you're both looking for a relationship, and she says that she's been through 10 different relationships of some kind in the past year, and they all went ass-side up, then that's a whole other kettle of fish entirely. If you're looking for a relationship and she makes it plain that she's been with 20 men in the past mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 12:56 AM
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You're assuming that I'm a third-wave feminist or on board with third-wave feminism. I much more identify with second-wave feminism and the Factual Feminist. I identify with the term feminism because of it's core principle of equality--that's it. Second wave as in the "radfems"? If you actually believe in second wave principles then to be honest I don't see how that's any better or how that means that you're "for equality". Second wavers came up with shit like "radical female separatism", did th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 10:40 PM
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I'm saying that I'm a man, certainly not a "red pill" man, and I would care. I wouldn't be able to trust someone who acts like a slut in any real kind of relationship and I would find it strange/off-putting regardless if she considered it to be some point of pride that she'd been with scores of guys in a limited period of time. I don't know anyone, male or female, outside of the few third wavers I've met, who're "pro-slut" or otherwise think that being a slut is a good thing/would want to be wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 03:03 AM
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Yeah, but at this point it's really just lint-picking or navel-gazing when it comes to this. They've made the movement what it is. They hold certain ridiculous theories to be true and behave in a way that makes it impossible to take them seriously when they want to be taken seriously-- see "slut shaming", rape hysteria, pushing the idea of "rape culture" and "toxic male culture/masculinity", and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/15 03:01 AM
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I'm not at all a member of TRP and I don't hold that ideology in a positive light in any way when it comes to the negative elements it produces. Find something else to accuse me of being.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/15 09:26 PM
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You do realize that "blue pill" isn't a thing, right? Yes. I said already that I don't think either "movements" or whatever aren't a thing outside of the internet. How many "blue pill" people have you met in real life? None. I sadly have met a few third wave feminists in real life, and those are basically the entire membership of "blue pill". And yeah, you're quite clearly coming off as "red pill", considering your terribly over-exaggerated depiction of what you think "blue pill" actually is. Sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 07:22 PM
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Yeah, but that doesn't matter in light of the fact that our mutual friend here actually believes that this thing is true. It's only worth saying "oh but it rolls off the tongue so nicely" if you convince her that it's ridiculous hyperbolic nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 07:18 PM
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Okay, so criticizing short men or women with thinning hair would be shaming, yes? It's fine to have physical preferences. But yes, shitting on someone because they happened to be short or were a woman with thinning hair would be more like a kind of shaming. But criticizing a fat man or a slutty woman would not be shaming? Exactly. Saying to a man who gobbles down 30 greasy hamburgers a week "this is why people think you're gross and why no one wants to fuck you" wouldn't be "shaming". The same t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 07:16 PM
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It's stupid. I'm making it a rule to disregard the opinions of anyone who says "it's us social liberals and then those backwards puritans"; I think that's a pretty good stance to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 02:14 PM
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Probably more around the lines of going after someone for something they can't do anything about. It's one of those words that's been abused to the point that it's really meaningless more then anything else, as far as I'm concerned. You can absolutely change or otherwise modify your behaviour. It's not like you can't help acting like a slut or anything like that. It's not a disease or a disorder or a psychosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 02:12 PM
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BP isn't asking where all the good men have gone; we know plenty. You're all third wave feminists. I can only assume that you think that to be a "good man", the man in question has to be a third waver, or "feminist friendly"/an "ally" of the third wave movement. I'm just playing with what she said up there as it is. than ten guys right now in my personal life who are cool people with a positive mix of "alpha" and "beta" traits, that would or do think TRP is ridiculous. Are they all "feminist all…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 01:52 PM
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Criticizing someone exhibiting slutty behaviour or otherwise reacting negatively to "sluttiness" is not "shaming". Grow a thicker skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 01:30 PM
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It's absolutely low-tier and stupid. It's creating a ridiculous false dichotomy that doesn't help anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 01:29 PM
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out the puritanical cats bum brigade Boring. In the real world it's not the "proud sex positive pro slut feminists and their allies versus the evil backwards puritans". It's much more diverse then that and the pro-slut sex positive third wavers certainly aren't "in the right" when it comes to social/societal commentary. I'd say an overwhelming majority of both men and women see excessive promiscuity as a "bad" thing or otherwise something that's not "good". It's insanity to label these people as…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 01:29 PM
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Are there any non-third wavers there? Or people who think third wave feminism is full of bullshit? I didn't think so either. In the de-facto sense it is a third waver subreddit and that's what their "ideology" is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 01:25 PM
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Depends what the ideology is. Red pill ideology, outside of the basic physical self-improvement and confidence stuff, that you don't need to go to red pill to get at? It's ridiculous garbage. Blue pill ideology-- so basically third wave feminism? Garbage. There are some ideologies that hold more water then others when it comes to ideology in general. That means that there are some ideologies that're better to have then others, in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 01:18 PM
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Blue Pill is packed full of third wavers and third wave feminist ideology so I'd say it's just about as useless when it comes to "alternate advice" as red pill is at its most toxic and stupid. How about they take the basic, actually sensible bits of advice-- like work out if you're not fit or underweight or whatever, and then dump both camps for the bad jobs they obviously are?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 01:13 PM
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Probably not the best idea, yeh.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 12:56 PM
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A large part of what, exactly? I can say if you're referring to the last sentence I wrote there then I wholeheartedly disagree. You can't continue to be a "pure" traditional conservative at this point, if we're talking in the sense of "arch-conservatism". That much is true. As it stands, I think a hell of a lot, if not all, of what the ultra socially "progressive" camp puts out is rubbish also. When I say this you ought to remember that I certainly don't even identify as some kind of decidedly c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 12:55 PM
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usually came with calling bluepillers out on their, well, delusional bullshit. That's true. I really only focus on BP people because they are actively trying to push the rubbish that they say is the truth or factual into society and the public consciousness. I've never met a BP person who wasn't a third wave feminist. If the RP wasn't so insular and was trying to do the same thing, I'd be on that as well. It's just the fact that I take it as a given that people already get what the issues with R…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 12:04 PM
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I consider myself to be socially centrist, leaning right-of-centre when it comes to certain sub-issues or assumed sub-issues. Does that fit the profile for what you'd consider a man from the 1960s?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 11:56 AM
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"Red pillish sans the absurd claims" equals what, exactly? What I mean to say is, do you think you could elaborate on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 11:06 AM
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I don't remember using any kind of words or anything that's classified as red pill terminology.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 11:01 AM
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Demonization of the so-called "traditional conservative". Not to say that there aren't any aspects worth criticizing about them, but primarily not for the social/societal reasons exclusively. Do you hold anyone who's not excessively socially/societally liberal to be "backwards" or "part of the problem"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 10:59 AM
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You're going to have to find more evidence then "doesn't think being a slut is a good/positive thing" before you start slinging that accusation around. I do know from my brief time at the blue pill that I could say "I dislike you both" as many times as I wanted and it still wouldn't change a damned thing when it came to the accusations of being a terper. So, find more evidence. Except you can't, so I'll wait for you to make something up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 10:48 AM
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BPs do sort of endorse that "where are all the good men" nonsense in the process of holding on to their specific gender/societal-based ideology. I don't spend time with RP people outside of here but I suppose there is a lot of blather of this mythical horde of slutty slut sluts running around. So if you tweak the wording somewhat it could be used to castigate/demean Blue Pillers and Red Pillers both when it comes to their outlooks and particularly the nasty things they have to say about the oppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 10:43 AM
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Is that aussie speak or something? Luckily the clear majority of people don't like sluts in Australia either. That is to say, the "pro-slut" types in the feminist/BP sense aren't thick on the ground, to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 10:07 AM
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There's no such thing as "slut shaming" or "short guy shaming". Or "fat shaming", for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 07:44 AM
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What he said there sounds very pompous, but the truth is that the majority of men across the board will be very decidedly "anti slut" when it comes to long term relationships or really any kind of serious relationship at all. Saying that much isn't indicative of any abnormal or extreme or negative attributes (it sure as hell doesn't make you 'red pill' to think as much, for example); it's just based around the fact that actually being a slut isn't "good" or "acceptable".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 07:43 AM
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Is your point that many women are shamed for their sexual history? That's not exactly a controversial viewpoint. It is a controversial viewpoint in the sense that the only people who claim that women are "shamed" by default in this way have a very "unique" way of looking at things like the sexes and society. usually revolves around why this practice is right/wrong or why we care so much. It does, admittedly. Although there's the one party that goes, by default, "any criticism of anything a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 06:21 AM
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It certainly is a cultural thing, at any rate. I think that the "bigger is better" idea at this point is essentially ingrained into Caucasoid cultures, and then there's the stereotypical "black/African has a big dick", but the reality is that how you use it is as important, if not more, then the size. You can't sanely say that there are no East Asians that aren't good in bed because of the stereotype that East Asian men have small penises, for example. It being changeable is an interesting thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 06:03 AM
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I don't think most men care at all. Again, as someone who's absolutely not a red piller (if I really have to get specific I hold the ideology at the same level as third wave feminism), I can say that a lot of men do care, at least when it comes to long-term relationships. Unless they're very socially liberal and most probably "allies" of the third wave, they won't see sluts as "good" or "desirable" for relationships at all, really. Nobody argues that people should change their personal preferenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 05:25 AM
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And we should absolutely examine why we care so much about height and dick sizes in men regards to masculinity. If you want to try and blame it on the "patriarchy" or "toxic male culture", then there's absolutely no point in doing so. I don't know about height, but in terms of ancient Greece, for example, a big dick wasn't seen to be desirable in terms of young men. At least in terms of the public sense of aesthetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 05:13 AM
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Just don't call some girl a town whore. Pure rhetoric is bad in regards to this sort of thing. ah don't slut shame in general, it's a douchy thing to do "slut shaming" isn't an actual thing and I've found more often then not that it's something girls who act legitimately slutty try and use to deflect criticism or dislike of their slutty behaviour. Being a slut isn't good at all and you're not the victim if people criticize you or don't see you as worth more then a one night stand for it. A simpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 05:10 AM
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I see. It's good that it's not a thing there, then. It's the same when it comes to the more Eastern and Southern parts of Europe, the MENA and Latin America in general. No bullshit feminism and more of quiet, non-accusatory, practical feminism, I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 11:19 PM
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Whereabouts are you, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 11:02 PM
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Here if you're pro-equality people immediately label you as a feminist. Yes, the red pill/"blue pill" extreme gender partisanism does bleed into this sub to some extent. I've been accused of various things myself but I don't think that what you said exactly is something that happens by default, especially when you consider that "equality" is a fairly fluid term depending on who you're talking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 09:42 PM
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I don't need to identify myself as a feminist to help against these issues, but I find it easier to say I'm one than begin explaining my way of thinking (not like anyone asks about it...). Honestly I don't see how it'd be easier, considering how pervasive the waved feminists are in terms of dominating that word in the public consciousness, in comparison to explaining your way of thinking. I try not to write people off when it comes down to this sort of thing, but even the "I'm a feminist and..."…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 09:03 PM
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Yes, those feminists are the loudest, and their ridiculousness makes it easy to forget about the countless men and women volunteering to make the world a better place for both sexes. Well it's them and then a whole bunch of people doing a whole lot of different things. I think it's fairly obvious that a state of de-facto equality exists between the genders, and has existed for some time. Saying as much doesn't mean that there can't always be improvement in various fields, for both genders. Sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 07:27 PM
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Well, yes. I agree these people wouldn't make for very nice friends. But OP was asking about all feminists, not only the entitled girls with victim complex (or at least that's what I gather from his first post). I think it is unfair that some people automatically think less of a person that identifies as a feminist. The problem is that the third wave feminist movement sets the tone in the public eye, especially in comparison to those who consider themselves "feminists" and aren't ridiculous and …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 06:09 PM
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But have you considered the feminists that don't make noise? I have. If you consider yourself to be a "feminist" without endorsing "patriarchy" as some truth and without going around blathering about "rape culture" and in general behaving like a "gender" feminist (as in second or third wave feminist), then there's really no problem. There are tons of people that support feminism (and each of them has their definition of it), That's just it, though. Outside of the third wave feminist movement, "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 09:57 PM
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"SJW" as in third waver, pro militant "LGBT/trans", and all about pretending that blacks and aboriginals are perpetually shat on/are the only "POCs" that exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 07:24 PM
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Forget the clapping link. That one's really an anomaly to the extreme and it's just something that might belong in news of the weird or something. The second one-- the NYT piece that talks about how they had to create "safe spaces" for these third wavers to go and essentially hide in because they can't take someone criticizing "rape culture" as a theory or outright denying it exists-- is far more relevant, and the fact that these third wave feminists just can't take someone saying as much is a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 06:29 PM
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Not too prevalent, thankfully. The odds are that the majority of the female student body isn't going to attach itself to such a movement, no matter where you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 06:20 PM
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If crazy tumblr feminists were 50% of the feminists then I'd agree with you, we're damned. So you are damned? All of the women (and men) I've encountered who identify or call themselves feminists-- specifically third wave feminists-- aren't as bad as the extreme "kill all men, yay misandry" tumblr types that essentially look like some kind of bad satire-- but otherwise they are extremely similar in the sense that they believe in some quantifiable inherently negative "patriarchy". They believe in…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/15 06:19 PM
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I've known plenty of feminists who have had threesomes. I've also known plenty of men who self-identified as feminists who had threesomes. There's nothing inherently wrong with consensual group sex. I'm not talking about people who're feminists. There's the difference and I've seen some of these people act as though that gives them ground to start screaming about "devaluing women" or "objectification". Where exactly do these mythical "third wavers" congregate? In post secondary? Mostly gender st…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 07:26 PM
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I've known a lot of feminist, and none of them would ostracize a man for having a threesome with two consenting women. Right, they'd be so pleased with one of those hated "bros" having threesomes with non-feminist women. The kind of guys that they accuse of "casual sexism" or "objectification" on principle. Have you ever actually met any feminists? Because you seem to be viewing "third wavers" as some kind of bogeyman based on internet stories and sorely lacking in reality. I went to a school th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 07:04 PM
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I'm sure if a man had a threesome with two women and someone from the third waver camp thought that it was "objectifying" or anti woman in some way, then the man in question would be ostracized by third wavers and "allies" to no end.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 06:47 PM
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Whenever either start talking about "men" or "women" in some horrid generalization, that's really the time to shut your ears and disregard whatever's going to start coming out their mouths. I think that's a good policy to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 06:26 PM
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That's the part that makes this comment problematic and have bigoted elements to it. The sort of thinking that he's describing is pretty characteristic of those who subscribe to the third wave feminist movement. It is not endemic to "women" in general, and it is bigotry to describe "women" as being "the same as children" on a functional level. This is where buddy goes wrong in his writing. If he had just specified "feminists" or "third wavers" then it wouldn't be inherently problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 06:10 PM
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Just look at recent history and you can see that liberalism is sweeping the world. As the most affluent societies-- at least technically-- fully enter post-modernism, things do become more liberal and "the issues" become smaller and smaller, that is true. Ask anyone twenty years ago if they thought gay marriage or marijuana would be legal in the future and they would be incredulous I'm no fan of the outspoken LGBT movement but I have no real issue with "regular" homosexuals getting married. If t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 04:01 PM
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There's no need for wishing when it's happening right in front of my eyes. If you surround yourself with little clusters of people who're as "sex positive" and as socially liberal as you are, then I suppose you can fool yourself into thinking that they're the only opinions that exist. The red pill is just a reactionary movement against the inevitable continued liberation of women. I hold women like you and the men who provide the nastiest voices from the fringe red pill movement to essentially b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 02:45 PM
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They are repressive, regressive, hypocritical, and fucked up views to hold. Nope. There're all different kinds of views/opinions with the only unifying factor being that they're all more conservative/not as liberal as those of the "sex positive" ultra socially liberal. They're on the way out, fortunately. You could only wish as much, eh? Sorry if my opinion rustles your jimmies. Have fun with the other ultra conservatives in the Westboro baptist church and Isis. Don't be a dumbass.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 02:34 PM
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I don't know who you're trying to convince, me or yourself. What did you think I was saying up there, exactly? It's an extremely valid question based on OP's mentality and accusations, however. It's not an extremely valid question. It's an attempted attack on his nonsense about "women" with a hypothetical scenario that's equally as nonsensical as the stupid parts of what he was saying. She should've taken him to task on what was obviously him shoe-horning his bigoted views into his point, especi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 02:11 PM
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But he didn't threaten to kill or attempt to kill someone who he wasn't married to. I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have remained under arrest or incarcerated; clearly he should've been not least because of his turn to violent takfiri extremism. I'm just saying that your point, that "people don't care about DV enough", doesn't work here and isn't accurate in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 01:51 PM
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No. There's a big difference between someone saying what he did because there was someone who killed a solitary woman still at large, and this attitude that you seem to be endorsing-- which is something typical of third wavers and holds it to be true that women are under threat at all times and so worrying that any random man could be predisposed to rape you is sane and reasonable. For one example. Essentially creating a culture of perpetual paranoia and then complaining about "victim blaming wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 01:35 PM
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"Society at large" likes the idea of blaming women for the actions of men. No it doesn't. This is part of the erroneous narrative that the second and third wavers had/have constructed-- it's absolutely unhelpful and inaccurate. don't remember you telling me you weren't part of trp. But I don't have a very good memory for account names Maybe it was someone who has a similar sounding name to yours. But I was pretty sure that it had come up before in the sense that you had implied as much and I res…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 10:15 AM
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We're talking about the opinions of society at large, and not the sub-elements on the red pill that're legitimately misogynistic and so end up forming the "face" of the red pill because they're very loud about the nonsense they put out. Are you telling me that you're the only terper on the planet who'll now earnestly claim that she did nothing wrong? Haven't I told you before that I'm not part of and not sympathetic to the red pill? I'm fairly certain that I've said exactly as much to you before…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 08:40 AM
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But he was in jail because of that attempted murder in the first place-- so you can't claim that people "didn't care" about that attempted murder. It's highly disingenuous of you to try and tie his actions in the hostage taking to being locked up for attempted murder and then paroled afterwards. The big factor in this case is that your intelligence services were tipped off that he may be extremely dangerous and they essentially ignored it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 08:35 AM
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No, that's you alleging as much because you want it to be the case to confirm your narrative. being there alone Even if she went somewhere unsafe and something bad happened, the blame would be on the person who committed the felony. travelling in that neighbourhood Same thing here. But regardless of what happens to you, it is good advice in general to say "it's better to not go through this sketchy ass area, just so you can make sure that you remain safe". It's advice that I don't always follow …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 08:17 AM
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previous convictions for DV were taken seriously. I'm just going to start with this, as this claim is the most problematic. How exactly is confirmed DV not taken seriously, and especially if it's a repeated occurrence? There's this manufactured state of hyper vigilance that borders on the hysterical, for fuck's sake. You can't possibly claim that people don't take DV or allegations of DV pretty seriously in general. I'm saying that abusive men wouldn't be out on parole to cause the terrorist sit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 08:11 AM
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Perhaps that revulsion would be common among the more conservative or sexually inexperienced males Everyone is "more conservative" to varying degrees of implied negativity in comparison to an ultra-liberal "proud slut" sex-positive type. So it's an acceptable statement as long as you realize that "the conservatives" in this regard outnumber you massively and aren't feasibly written off as "nasty regressive puritans". Not like that's stopping someone with your views from saying exactly that about…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 06:49 AM
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Yes. It's the norm in most liberal areas. Excessively liberal areas where they hold it to be true that "you're either like us or you're the very worst kind of arch-conservative", maybe. What you said down there is a lot more accurate then "well in all the best places (according to me) nobody gives a shit": In reality men have varying opinions on how much sex is too much sex. Of course saying this much isn't going to stop you from demonizing anyone who does actually give a shit (so the majority o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 06:22 AM
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So where do you think the people of /r/sex come from? They're just regular sex-positive people. "Sex positives" really do love to come together as much as possible to try and make as much noise as possible. That being said, I don't think that you can just claim that each subscriber to /r/sex is a "sex positive" by default. "r/sexpositive" has something like 33,000 subscribers. The people who go to that one are far more likely the people who you're referring to then the ones on /r/sex. I'm sure t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 06:10 AM
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If you walk around in perpetual fear of being jumped and raped then you're as big a part of any problem that may exist as any odd few people who actually believe that nothing bad could ever happen to them ever because they're so capable and never make any mistakes ever. This problem extends into trying to push the falsehood that you'd be "victim blamed" by default if anything bad did happen to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 05:53 AM
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The fact that only women were warned is clumsy at best, sexist at worst. Whatever it is, it's not sexist to anyone other then those who actively look for new ways to accuse men/society of being sexist. Maybe the person who said "people and especially women" could've worded it a little better but other then that it's a non-issue. The fact that you can't grasp this leads me to suspect that you are either being obtuse, or happily or ignorantly sexist. Or you're missing the nail by a mile when it co…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 05:50 AM
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Crime can happen to anyone. That's not what she was saying, though. It was far more intentionally loaded then just saying "but some times bad things can happen" and was all about trying to push this highly subjective personal belief as some kind of universal truth. it's just one you don't want to answer so you're avoiding it. I can imagine why..... Is this going to be another "it's because misogyny" accusation? Because that doesn't work in this context. You can't say that you're not answering th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 05:40 AM
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It's a stupid question to begin with. Not least because she only wants one answer which is in line with the nature of the mentality that causes someone to write out a question like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 05:30 AM
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No one would seriously blame the person who was dragged into a toilet and raped, regardless of their gender. I almost hate to say it but it's really nonsensical to try and pretend that "especially with women" there'd be all of these imaginary people trying to pretend that "the victim brought it on themselves".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 05:27 AM
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This is completely unrelated to what I was talking about up there, you know. when 3 men were killed by one punch hits, laws were changed rapidly I don't get what this means. If they changed laws to say that trying to punch someone in an area that could kill them easily should be considered attempted murder, then that's a good thing if it'd really be that easy to cause someone's death. but 24 women have been killed by current or former romantic partners, and nothing has been done? Are you trying …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 05:20 AM
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I'm talking about the application of the word where it makes sense, which is how it's primarily applied. In the real word, you're not going to see guys running around calling some girl a slut because she's not a virgin. You're going to see sluts being called sluts, for behaving like sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 05:15 AM
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You do understand in that case why most guys wouldn't trust legit sluts and certainly wouldn't consider them to be relationship material then, right? Because I can understand that dislike from the point of view from either gender. Someone who's a loose flake and just wants to fuck as many people as possible isn't going to be good relationship material, not least because they're not trustworthy when it comes to the antics they're notorious for.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 12:46 AM
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Would he have been released if he'd raped a man rather than a girl? Absolutely. It would've hardly been as weighty as sexual offenses committed against the opposite sex-- if he was overtly homosexual he'd probably have the worst of the LGBT movement arguing in his favour, especially if the man he raped in this hypothetical version wasn't an "LGBT".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 12:37 AM
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there would have been no claims of misogyny Claims of "misogyny" in this case at all are really, really idiotic, full stop. I hope that you can see that. Using gendered language is the issue here. It's not really an issue outside of the fact that there's no evidence that the killer was specifically going for women as opposed to engaging in an attack of opportunity-- which could apply to anyone, male or female, who had their guard down-- that ended in homicide. At the same time, if they know that…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/15 12:31 AM
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Maybe it would've been a better idea just to have said "people". But specifying and mentioning women, not just "people" in general, doesn't indicate "victim blaming" or "sexism" in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 11:46 PM
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Clearly he wouldn't have been on parole if he had shown that level of criminal intent before he was paroled. I don't see what that has to do with what I was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 11:43 PM
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I have no idea what "hamstering" is. As far as I'm aware, "mansplaining" is, per the third wavers, some kind of manifestation of "casual male sexism" where the man talks down to the woman specifically/only because she's a woman. In reality, you're most likely going to see accusations of "mansplaining" hurled around whenever you're a man and you say something that a third waver doesn't like or doesn't agree with, for example. This is in the context of active debates or specific gender wars-based …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 08:53 PM
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There wasn't any "victim blaming" to speak of. I think your position is even weaker when the social group-- the third wavers-- that you belong to has nothing to say other then the most idiotic and unhelpful things, like "saying don't walk by yourself now is victim blaming!" or "teach men not to murder women!" The second one, which we both absolutely know was spat out, is especially unhelpful because it's creating an insane paradigm and doesn't actually do anything for the potential targets of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 08:49 PM
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The message was absolutely "look after yourself". "I would advise people, especially women, not to walk through x area alone while the murderer is still at large" isn't perfect by any means, but it's miles ahead of shrilling "misogyny!" like some kind of hyperbolic goof, or otherwise idiotically claiming that "society blames women for their own deaths/teaches men to kill women" or "teach men not to murder women!" The first statement, what the police officer said at least makes some sense, has so…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 08:45 PM
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No, she asked a female friend who had actually given birth to talk to her husband. Friends are not male by default. I thought you were saying that the friend was at fault in the sense that they were the one who read something on the internet and so thought they were more knowledgeable (then the wife or the doctor). So that's why I assumed the friend was male. Because that's exactly what happened and what he said. Did he specify what he read on the internet that made him think that he was more kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 06:14 PM
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"du hu hu hu I'm 'mansplaining mansplaining'!" I'm "informing" you or this other woman that you can't just immediately assume that the man (men) in question "think they know more" then you because of your sex-- the fact is, as I keep saying, that the odds are they're just trying to be know it alls or act as though they're otherwise authoritative on whatever subject it is. They didn't try and tell her anything when she was actively engaging in her choreography. Unless she's advertising the fact t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 05:33 PM
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(women were told to stay out of parks before a suspect was apprehended), If there's someone running around at night targeting people walking by themselves through areas that're comparatively deserted, it's not a bad thing to say "try to avoid these areas if you can help it". You would think that'd be common sense for both men and women walking by themselves at night if there's someone violent and potentially murderous at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 01:53 PM
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I'm asking "do you think this is a thing", not "have you experienced this". If someone says "yes I have", then of course I'm going to listen to their example, but I'm not going to not disagree with it or otherwise not say something in the line of not believing that it's some "institutionalized" thing that's "sexism" by default. There are enough people who love to play know-it-all out there, for whatever reason. I honestly think it's foolish to automatically think that a man's treating you a cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 12:47 PM
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The one thing you get right is that the national review is a rag of the worst order, at least most of the time on the majority of issues it comments on (most of the geopolitical, national politics for the states, environmental issues, economic issues, social security/healthcare issues). Not to say the "feminist friendly" sources are at all better then the decidedly "reactionary"-- they aren't, especially when it comes to things like this. My point is that even a turd like the national review can…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 12:36 PM
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The assumption is that, as a woman, I need a man to explain what an lbw or offside is, as I couldn't possibly know it. You're operating under the unrealistic notion that men don't think that there are any female sports fans at all. This is far from how things actually are. Interestingly enough, as a man I need what those are explained to me. Looking at them right now I actually have zero recollection of what they are-- but they sound like football terms and that's one sport that I'm very rusty w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 03:41 AM
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Or you could go as, you know, anyone with a penis who isn't too sports savvy when it comes to understanding every aspect of any particular game. I know my friends who're more into playing and watching hockey, for example, are going to have to explain things to me and I don't feel talked down to as another man even if what they're explaining is fairly simple by their standards. You're also acting as though men who're about watching sports are unaware that there's any female fans of hockey/footbal…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/15 02:55 AM
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The mother wants to give vaginal birth and asked a friend of hers who has had children to try to talk to her husband and sooth his concerns So she asked a (male) friend of hers who's already a father to talk to her husband to put his concerns to rest when it comes to vaginal birth as opposed to getting a C-section procedure? In regards to her belief that nothing bad would happen to her vagina as there's nothing that seems to be going wrong or that would otherwise cause the C-section to become co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 09:38 PM
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who gave an example about having men who weren't dancers try to teach her things about dance when she is an expert. You completely dismissed her story and told her she's wrong, that it wasn't really mansplaining and that she's jumping to "sexism!" out of nowhere. Yes, I don't agree with the accusation of "mansplaining" in that story. There's no indication that they tried to "teach" her things she already knew/knew much better because "oh you're just a woman, you don't know anything". There is li…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 09:27 PM
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Probably because you're not a woman. Believe me, things are very different. Well, mostly because I don't accept "mansplaining" as an existing phenomenon. At least not in the way that the third wave feminist movement defines it. I don't even believe the term really "took off" on third waver websites till around 2008-9 or so? If you're not willing to accept the experiences of others during this debate, I don't know what else to tell you. That can go both ways when it comes to a debate of this natu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 09:11 PM
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Not really. You're referring to the abortion thing? It's not "mansplaining" in the third wave pejorative sense to have a different opinion on abortion, or to disagree with the woman on whatever her stance on abortion, because "oh no it's a man doing it". It's called a disagreement of opinion or having a different opinion on the topic-- which is to be expected when it comes to something like that. I bet you wouldn't say the same if it was a man disagreeing with a woman who held very strong pro-li…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 08:29 PM
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It's nowhere near as much of a thing as it was about ten years ago, but it is still a thing, yes. I don't believe that it was any more of a thing ten years ago then it is today. You will see, however, third wavers applying it at a "pettier" level today then how the feminist movement applied it ten years ago. Is a man attempting to correct a woman on her opinion about say, childbirth? If someone honestly believes that abortion is a valid form of birth control, then I as a man am not "infringing o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 08:21 PM
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Within what group?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 07:40 PM
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To categorize what "mansplaining" is as an accusation?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 07:16 PM
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You probably think there is an objective truth, that judgement should be equal and can be unbiased. I think the objective truth in this case is that "rape culture" as a term and "toxic masculinity" as a term and most other terms that the third wave feminist movement makes use of are sexist, and sometimes inherently so, towards men in general. I really see no difference between how third wavers talk about men in general and how the most notorious elements of the red pill talk about women in gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 06:36 PM
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You're right. Making claims that this is commonplace is like saying that "shit tests" are a regular/systematic occurrence. And furthermore, you can't claim to know the motivations of the people doing it, by talking about "hypergamy" or "hamstering". Are you trying to insinuate that I belong to the red pill people? I can say authoritatively that I respect Red pill claims about "women" in general about as much as I do third waver claims about men in general. Which is to say, I don't respect either…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 06:13 PM
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Yes, but it's going on the false premise that it's being done strictly because "he thinks less of women" and that there couldn't be any other reason for it, and the possibility that he'd talk down to people in general is dismissed out of hand. The big issue is that the people who say "mansplaining" is a thing allege that it's some kind of regular/systematic occurrence, and that essentially all men "mansplain" regardless of what they're actually doing. I see it as a stupid, hyperbolic term that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 05:36 PM
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It's not systematic sexism, it's a result of cultural roles. Or it could just be someone who happens to be male who thinks that they know more about something then you do-- and not at all based around "well I'm a man and she's a woman so obviously I know better based on my maleness". Having an inflated ego or a pompous attitude isn't exactly something that's "the result of cultural roles"-- it's just something that affects some people. I've had guys try to explain dance to me as if I was stupid,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 05:32 PM
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Nope. Saying that there are some men who talk down to women isn't "admitting" to the existence of this supposed thing as defined by those who actually believe that "mansplaining" is some real, quantifiable thing. I said that there are some men who're rude to women, and some women who're rude to men. That's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 05:09 PM
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I think it's merely their lack of expressing themselves. When pressed for their thoughts I've found that most women do espouse strong feminist ideas, even if they're not specifically radfem. Even the the seemingly moderate ones buy the lie of the wage disparity myth. I don't know. I'm going in terms of those who see being a "proud slut" as a good thing, or who babble on about "rape culture" or "casual male misogyny/sexism". The ones who're fully invested into the gender wars and "dismantling the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 03:27 PM
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I'm hoping we're seeing the disparity because you're younger; it'd give me hope that the social paradigm is changing. I'm nearly 34, people my age growing up were very pro-feminist. I think it depends who you run with. I know all of my friends who're also men either see third wave stuff as something to make fun of, or otherwise they're completely oblivious to it. I know a few very outspoken third wavers, and naturally I'm not going to try and spend a whole lot of time around them. Most of the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 03:06 PM
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If you absolutely believe in your opinion, then we have no where else to go with this. Do you understand where I was coming from, at least somewhat? Do you get why I find it to be absolutely unhelpful when it comes to talking about this sort of thing, and actually pretty sexist? I mean, "rape culture" and "toxic male culture" and "casual male misogyny" are all more then a little sexist, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 02:57 PM
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The feminist rhetoric is strong here, not sure how you're avoiding it. It's comparatively strong but at the end of the day there's most likely no more then something in the low five digits-- at most-- who're really on the ball about it. I do believe that most women my age aren't actively getting involved in the movement, although there are a number who might appropriate specific terms for personal gain more then anything else. The fucking Ontario sex ed curriculum is teaching gender as a social …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 02:50 PM
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Are you saying "a lot" of people in the context of those people who define themselves as third wavers? Because I know it's not a thing outside of the feminist movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 02:40 PM
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I think, thankfully, that even in massive cities, they're not going to account for much more then a minority of the female population. They're all about collectivizing and being as loud as possible, but there's not going to be all too many "true believers" in third wave feminism on campuses or in the city as a whole-- using Toronto, where I live, as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 02:38 PM
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there are a lot of things that can make a person imagine themselves to be an authority, or more knowledgable on a topic. But that can apply to anyone, regardless of gender. There are more then enough women who're guilty of doing the exact same thing. I use the term when a male cuts off a female when the female was doing a fine job of explaining whatever was being explained. You're absolutely tying in "it must be because she's a woman" when it comes to that, though. You have no idea what his actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 02:23 PM
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Would you say that you use in in the same way that a poster to 2XC or "femmethoughts" would use it? If I say "I don't believe in 'rape culture' and here's why I think it's a bad, unhelpful term", would I be guilty of "mansplaining" or "invalidating" your perspectives?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 01:27 PM
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From what I can tell, it just seems to be something that a certain kind of woman will try and break out to try and invalidate anything a man's saying if they don't like what they hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 12:57 PM
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It is very "stereotypical" of stinkers like EF or Jezebel, sure. I can't say I've actually ever heard anyone use the term in reality, but I'm sure that it happens-- maybe around the same kind of people who do talk about "everyday misogyny" in absolute seriousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 12:13 PM
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I can say certifiably that I do not identify in any way with the Red Pill-- and yet, accusations of "victim blaming" really do often come across as a refusal to accept something that really is rooted in common sense. I think that this can be across the board, but it's especially notorious when it comes to the gender wars issues more then anything else-- I think the problem here is that the self-styled "defenders of women everywhere" have made this knee-jerk accusation of "victim blaming!" the go…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/15 11:53 AM
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do believe in the patriarchy and rape culture, as does my fiance That's really a shame. Neither of those are real. I wouldn't necessarily define or react to those concept in the same way as the feminists whose views you find nonsensical. Only more then likely, though. "Patriarchy" as per the second-third wave feminist definition, in general, is fiction that really is all about blaming men and "male culture" for this thing or that thing, and pretending that men and society and all societies were …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/15 08:18 PM
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We're a very happy feminist couple who see each other as equals. I'm no red piller in any way, but if you're talking about "waved" feminism and are a third waver who believes in things like "patriarchy" and "rape culture" then I don't believe this would be otherwise possible. I can only assume that your SO actually believes in that rubbish as an "ally" of third wave feminism-- again, assuming that you are talking about "waved" feminism when you say "we're feminists". Most people recognize waved …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 04:31 PM
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If that is the case why do you have a thread about something that is an exceptional circumstance? Getting called a slut because you didn't kiss someone who held a door open for you does seem to be very exceptional circumstance. That's what I was referring to. Seems like it happens enough for women to get angry about it and men to create a movement dedicated to eradicating it. It just seems like something that's exclusively limited to the internet, at least in the most infamous and vitriolic form…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 08:58 PM
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So it sounds like that experience was highly exceptional and it was probably one of the more socially maladjusted nerds who said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 08:44 PM
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Are you or were you a teenage girl? As far as I'm concerned, I never saw that happen in high school, or heard of that happen. In general, that kind of accusation was reserved for girls who actually behaved like dick teases or sluts. "opened the door for you"? Honestly, that sounds like the over-exaggeration that I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 08:28 PM
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put yourself in the shoes of a girl who thought she made a wonderful friend, only to find out that he just wanted her for sex. that he just wanted her for a relationship. a girl who was just an object to win, a prize. a girl who’s trust you’ve just shattered. maybe she friendzoned you. but you girlfriendzoned her, first. For a start, from the tumblr post that got posted to 2xc. This seems to be the basic idea behind that term.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 06:49 PM
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Essentially what the argument seems to be is that the guy is arbitrarily classifying the girl as being his girlfriend, regardless of what she wants(?). I don't exactly get it all that well myself. It has to do with complaining about someone who gets rebuffed not wanting to be around the person who did the rebuffing, I suppose. You see this sort of complaint fairly often around the 2X inspired subs, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 06:30 PM
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The problem is the toxicity of the male reactions when the girl rejects the advances. The problem as I see it with this claim is that the girls who claim that there are so many toxic reactions to men being rejected by women have an extremely broad threshold for what constitutes a "toxic male reaction". I mean the red pill is basically a culmination of guys who hate on the women who rejected them when they were young and beta. ... It's very rare to get the same response from girls. Again, girls w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 06:14 PM
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A slut is merely a woman who has many sexual partners. Dictionary meaning. Slut-shaming is using the word slut for a woman who does that. It's more then that, really. I understand why "sluts" aren't seen as good relationship material and I do see "slut shaming" as something that's overwhelmingly applied by certain kinds of women if they're criticized for anything sexual that they do. It's basically a discredited term at this point, I think, and without actually being "accepted" in the general co…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 09:10 PM
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Do you call men who cheat or are sexually perverse sluts? They can be stupid or assholes or whatever. I suppose they could be sluts. And by the way, that's not what the word means. Try a dictionary. That's most of the justifiable negative connotation that goes with the word. Yes, it does bother me. It bothers me a lot. The term harms all women. I don't think so. That's your third wave feminism in action more then anything. Yes there are feminists who scream for rights in the streets. I don't. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 04:30 AM
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What part of someone's political identity is going to be forgotten when they are drunk? I guess what I meant to say is that there are going to be some girls who use some of those concepts and ideas and yet are a lot more lax about it and don't spend all their time thinking about how guys at parties are secret rapists or whatever. I also may be confusing them with those girls who really fit the mould of "drunk and very outgoing", some of whom are of course excessively liberal. Seriously; if someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 07:12 PM
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And you're a woman yourself, or at least I believe unless I'm confusing you with someone else. That means those who're all about third wave "sex positive" feminism aren't going to be operating around you as some kind of potential sexual malefactor by virtue of your sex. I may be a bit too harsh about it when you consider the fact that they're going to be a lot more lax about a lot of their third wave feminism when they're drunk, but you don't know and that's the main thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 03:22 AM
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Ah, I too used to think being an agnostic / the glorious third option / believed there is a middle option to evolution v. creationism / every-argument-that-has-a-snarky-third-party-rearing-it's-head was the option to many things. You can certainly take the position that I'm taking. It's actually far superior to either TRP or BP not least because I don't go around making things up about the genders and society and everything in between that're completely and obviously baseless. Join us after your…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/15 12:31 AM
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They make it a lot more convoluted then that-- which is something that I already get-- and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 10:44 PM
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Campus politics is a shit load of fun. Give it a try. Yeah, but I'm not into "gender politics" and want to avoid it. The pro-Palestine groups on campus? Completely different story. I've already associated myself with the ones at Ryerson at any rate. Those 3rd wave sex positive girls throw some great parties; just keep an open mind, accept that you'll go Dutch and don't even think of trying to push past lmr. The fact that they're third wave "sex positive" feminists means that you have to watch yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 02:23 PM
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Your view that women can be sluts and try to hide from their slutty behavior by using the term 'slut shaming' is extreme. That view is as extreme as it can get about female sexuality That seems to be the case with a lot of those who use the term "slut shaming" in earnest, not least because they break out that accusation all the time and especially when they think they or another woman is being "criticized" or "their choices as a woman aren't being given the respect they deserve". That's not comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 04:13 AM
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Why? hands renner1 a shovel. You don't think cheating is a bad thing? Or behaving ridiculously oversexual/in perverse ways? Contrary to the third waver narrative, the accusation "slut" isn't something that's just dropped so lightly. If someone actually does and it's completely baseless then they're just an idiot who shouldn't be paid attention to. You say I'm 'getting out of sorts' because it's your narrative. If a feminist speaks, she's either screaming or hysterical or out of sorts. I'm saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 03:37 AM
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I've stated at least several times that I consider both elements to be bad and as bad as one another. But the question wasn't "how many men do you think hold red piller views"-- I can say that I've never met any man who's brought red pill up at all, which makes sense considering just how small it really is. I don't see how describing people as hysterical or screaming is a problem when I've clearly said that I'm not using those words to describe "how women in general behave" or really anyone else…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 03:29 AM
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Proud sluts IS a good thing. It isn't a good thing because being a slut in the first place isn't a good thing. And I've never done a gender studies course, or become hysterical over something. Yet you're getting all out of sorts and throwing baseless accusations around. You also seem to dislike the fact that I said it's not good to be a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 11:08 PM
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You're an obvious example of someone who holds extreme views when it comes to gender. You're not tired of 'gender wars' at all. You're perpetuating them. Name one extreme view that I hold. That's actually been proven as opposed to you "determining" my "misogyny" because I used specific words to describe how specific people who hold specific views conduct themselves. You used the word 'screaming' over and over in your comments below to describe anything women say. Did I say that they're screaming…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 11:05 PM
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If you think talking toxic masculinity, misogyny, and how the west looks at rape is equal to TRP talking about women... Yes, they're both equally caustic and wrong and prone to shameless idiocy. That's why I condemn them both as being equally bad. Sorry that doesn't jive with you as an apparent "ally" for third wavers. you really seem to be the delusional one, lol. Not all sides are the same dude. There isn't a "middle ground" here. I'm "delusional" because I reject hyperbolic bullshit, ok. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 10:59 PM
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I'd imagine the ones who go out of their way to talk about their feminism and make it known they're feminist tend to be a bit more asshole-y. If you don't toe the line and act as though they're some guiding light for society, anyways. It's more then "a bit" but what you said about the ones who're all about waving their feminism, or waved feminism, around, and every hour of every day, does hit the nail on the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:51 PM
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I'm pretty sure that's a pretty small minority of gay/LGBT people, at least from the people I personally know. Unfortunately they're the dominant types when it comes to the "official" LGBT movement in the States and Canada, and a pretty big reason as to why I don't support that movement. I've worked with a couple people who're gay and lesbian and I only know because people who know them intimately, as in the familial sense, told me as much in the way of it coming up in conversation. No problems …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:35 PM
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A cornerstone of third wave feminist rhetoric/ideology is based around being against the "misogyny" of "toxic male culture/entitlement". In general, "toxic male culture/entitlement" and "misogyny" and "men being pro-rape" gets tossed around a whole lot. How is that any better then what TRP has to say about "women"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:21 PM
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I honestly don't give a shit if they believe in patriarchy or whatever, I just care about their actions. Their actions tell me they are generally caring, empathetic human beings who support general gender equality, so I don't think their individual beliefs about patriarchy is a bad thing. You can if you want. They support "gender equality" from a gender feminist perspective as they believe in "male privilege" and "patriarchy". I don't see how that translates into actually supporting "gender equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:19 PM
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Eh, I find myself agreeing with TBP more than TRP. I didn't say anything other then "they're both shit" so I don't know where "agreeing with one or the other" comes up exactly. I find TBP to be far less objectionable though, because making fun of TRP has a much smaller scope than ya know, taking out your rage on an entire gender. It's interesting because that's how gender feminism comes across 85-95% of the time, and one of the reasons as to why I say that Blue Pill is as bad as Red Pill. When i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:13 PM
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Yeah, most of them believe in patriarchy and male privilege almost by default. That's bad, but not as bad as it could be. You can reasonably debate someone against the idea of "patriarchy" without them getting all batshit waved feminist-style crazy if they don't believe in some of the nastier stuff like "rape culture" or "toxic masculinity". Equally you can usually debate against the concept of inherent "male privilege" but the problem is that they can make it circular and just tie it into their…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:09 PM
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Well, they are wrong. They're as wrong as TRP. I'm just saying that because it seems to be fairly common knowledge to me-- that BP is really packed with serious third wavers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:05 PM
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Blue pill is stuffed full of third wave feminists. I don't know if they actually "hurt people"-- I don't know if TRP does either, unless you're saying that they're really just hurting themselves-- but that fact about BP means that their overall societal outlook and their opinions on the genders and how they interact is just as inaccurate/wrong as those of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 08:02 PM
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It doesn't matter what TRP thinks BP is about. The point is that both of them are equally wrong in how they view the genders and society and how men and women interact/how they're supposed to interact. Both are equally unhelpful or worse as far as I'm concerned. Both have outlooks and world-views that're equally non-factual and only useful for causing gender-based bickering and hyperbole.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:57 PM
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But you seemingly subscribed to blue pill. Both are equally misguided.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:53 PM
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Quite a few, I think, will call themselves feminists. However, of all those people, most of them are going to be moderate, reasonable people who just adopt the label because it's a popular label at the moment to identify you as a person generally in favor of social progression in terms of gender roles. So you would say that these people who are about a moderate reasonable feminism are not going to believe in "patriarchy" as fact. Are not going to believe in the existence of "rape culture" or "to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:50 PM
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You're going to be both equally problematic, I bet, when it comes to this sort of thing. You're the two extremes that I referred to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:42 PM
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But why is being a "flamer" so bad? Because it makes you uncomfortable? It makes a lot of people uncomfortable, it's a hallmark of the militant LGBT movement, and to add on to the second point, it doesn't do anything to actually help the gay rights people. I recommend you read "The Trouble with Normal" by Michael Warner. Maybe sometime. Sounds like I wouldn't agree with the premise though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:40 PM
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Too gay is militant LGBT, "obvious gay pride attendee in perpetuity", and that sort of thing. Someone who's about being "all gay, all the time" in most everything they do. There are variations, absolutely. It's not just the walking caricatures that can be problematic as far as I see it. about straight couples and PDA? I'll just preface by saying that like it or not, heterosexuals are going to be seen as "normal" by default because in the neutral sense of the word, they are the norm. That being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:39 PM
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Hmm, so based on your pro-Palestinian comment from earlier in the thread, it doesn't seem you are against activism-- just the kind of activism you don't personally agree with? If you want to call it "activism". But yes, I didn't condemn "activism" as a general concept in itself. I'm gay and married, and I will proudly tell people I'm gay if it comes up. Why? Because it damn sure beats being ashamed of myself. If it comes up is the thing. I don't think telling someone that you're gay when it's ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 07:25 PM
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There are a lot of average women out there that believe this hypocritical horseshit, and are just ignorant because they don't care to look past where it benefits them. Honestly in that case then it doesn't matter as much to me as long as I can have a discussion in good faith if the subject comes up, as to why I don't agree/if I want to point out something that's contradictory or doesn't make sense. The bigger problem arises, as far as I'm concerned, when they do start getting into waved feminist…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 05:47 PM
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But I've found surveys showing an overwhelming majority of women are concerned with equal pay, If you remember, was the survey as vague as "is this a concern to you"? My main issue in this regard is if they start going on about things that clearly don't exist being responsible for any pay difference, not just the fact that they "are concerned about it/see it as an issue to whatever extent". and also that a majority also think men should pay on dates and shoulder financial burdens. Again in this …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 05:26 PM
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I think these things are beyond question that they exist, it would take a lot blindness to not notice them. I disagree. I find that they're nothing more then hyperbolic concepts or terms or accusations that, more often then not, are just slung around for the sake of it or to deflect any kind of criticism because it's "misogyny and rape apology". That being said, as I said in my initial post, I equally reject anything that might come out of certain MRA or red-pill circles about "women" or "female…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 05:13 PM
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and more about the people they convince who don't realize the full extent of their beliefs and perpetuate hypocrisy and entitlement. The latter happens in much larger numbers. Do you think you could say in an objective sense how many people you believe they convince? I think that those people do become part of the outspoken minority, in the sense that they become third wave feminists and believe in the sort of concepts and ideas and theories that that group holds to be the truth. For example, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 04:30 PM
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I can only imagine that those who're actively talking about "patriarchy" or "toxic masculinity" or "campus rape culture" or whatever else are really committed to it in the sense that they actually do believe that all those things exist. Otherwise those ideas don't seem, at least from what I've seen, to be very wide spread or commonly accepted to the extent that campus is just packed with these people spouting off these sorts of things. College life is a lot about signalling e.g. being edgy throu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 04:18 PM
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You're spouting the same shit as per usual, I see. "Racist" is just a code word for "white person." This is just fucking retarded, full stop. Keep on showing yourself up to be some kind of brain-dead "race realist" and white supremacist spouting nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 03:37 PM
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So, you acknowledge that you are a cultural Marxist, This is a term used by loathsome Breivik-sucking monkeys. Are you one? and you acknowledge that you are anti-European I'm anti-Eurotrash, actually. I think the likes of what you apparently are are pretty goddamn gross. That shouldn't make me "anti European" to anyone with a functioning brain. "slope-heads," "idiot," "thick-skulled," "pisswater," "fucking monkey," "fucking moron," and their opinions "stupid" "bullshit" "idiotic, dangerous shit"…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 01:24 AM
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Those are all pretty definitive characteristics of the kinds of people who think that there's a "war" being fought by "invading immigrants" against the "true Europeans and defenders of the White Race". Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong at any time, but it's pretty obvious that BNP/UKIP types are really up there when it comes to a special kind of boorish stupidity. So yeah, whenever you actually have something substantial to say, go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 12:36 AM
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This becomes true when you're talking about the perpetually poor ghettoized black subculture and the elements that actually are conservative Islamist. Otherwise it's not by any means "the fact of the matter".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 10:32 PM
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Meanwhile, an actual rape culture - among Muslim men - went ignored, because the perpetrators aren't white. The fact that you want to draw this to some conclusion of "Muslim people in the UK perpetuate real rape culture" is really about as bad as those who claim that a "rape culture" exists in general. "New right" shitheels aside who want to call, say, all British Pakistanis religious extremists and rapists, you either endorse the concept as a valid one, or you denounce it as being nonsensical a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 10:29 PM
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1) Lots of insults As only one who breaks out the "it's anti white, anti European" bullshit deserves. Is that what you are? Do you worry about "the evil immigrant hordes"? If so, then you're a fucking moron. And I say this as someone who isn't at all on board with contemporary gender feminism, although I have no doubt that you're going to try and make that kind of claim. 2) Projects about racial "purity" which I never said anything about Whinging and bitching about "cultural Marxism"-- something…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 10:24 PM
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I think that threads like these do a really good job in showcasing the actual problems with some of the people who subscribe to redpill or identify themselves as "MRA" of some sort, as opposed to just the meaningless blather about "misogyny" or "male cultural sexism" or whatever else you're going to get in the way of nonsense from the third wave feminist camp. A lot of people seem to end up being the "Keep Europe 'white' " kinds of shitstains, or are otherwise essentially white supremacists and …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 09:32 PM
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As the minister for women, Abbott has defunded all DV shelters, Awkward considering his official status but if they were dominated by third wave ideologues, I wouldn't really care. described women as "less able and intelligent" than men, A dumb statement but hardly worth the level of flip-out that it gets from the usual parties. attempted to remove emergency contraception from the PBS I'm split on that one, to be honest. I think most people ought to be able to pay for it and that it shouldn't ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:43 PM
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No, not really. Here, of all places, I really do think that. As far as I can see, the red pillers have no qualms about talking about their belief in red pill theory. And you'd be wrong. I don't believe that. I'm not saying it explicitly. I'm not implying it either. If you don't believe me, there's not much I can do. I guess there isn't, then. The point is that's what it looks like when you seemingly act as though there's some kind of mass hostility towards rape victims or those who allege that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 05:12 PM
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You could put on a flair to prevent yourself from being "bored." If I actually subscribed to red pill theory then you would think that I would advertise it. I consider "I don't like delusional bullshit" to be a statement that can be applied fairly even-handedly, depending on the circumstances. I can type my opinion. that's about it. If you don't want to believe it and insist on something else entirely despite me telling you that I don't believe that, then yes you can expect to have a circular ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/14 05:02 PM
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Normally at this stage when I see how misinformed an RP is, I would cite a few articles showing trends, and also a few choice examples. Sometimes I think you guys just don't read the papers, and that's why you're so uninformed. Like a parallel universe. I have to say that this kind of assumption gets really boring. I'm not red pill nor do I subscribe to anything that could be considered red pill or pseudo-red pill thinking. As it is, I hold it to be true that third/fourth wave feminists really a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:06 PM
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if someone raped you do you think it would be easy for you to tell others about it publically? It depends on the circumstances surrounding the scenario more then anything, I think. do you find women who have been raped more or less attractive as mates? It would depend how they are. People who're severely damaged psychologically for whatever reason in general wouldn't be the easiest to be with, for obvious reasons. if you had a daughter or loved one that was raped, how would that make you feel ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/14 08:54 PM
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Feminists would love for the media to say rape. But they don't. They like to say sexual assault. I understand that feminists would love excessive use of the term "rape" and the endorsement of fictional things like "rape culture", sure. But that's besides the point here. When a rape is absolutely proven to be a rape, then people refer to it as a rape, not just "sexual assault". Yes, yes there is a backlash for coming forward. That's simply the way our society is. But there isn't. I understand tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/14 12:51 AM
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Well he clearly does have a fetish around rough sex. That's not the sole source of the controversy but it is something that muddies the water to no small extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 05:05 PM
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sexual assault is sometimes used as a euphemism for rape Sometimes. It makes more sense to just say "rape" if you're talking about rape. rape victims still face a backlash for daring to step forward: from society, the media, the police, and sometimes people they thought they could rely on This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. There's no "backlash" for "daring to step forward"-- there's a backlash if it's found out that you're lying. There's a backlash if you make conflicting state…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 03:41 PM
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I'm operating under the assumption that the people who're talking about the case as of right know are aware as to what the allegations actually are. So I do see your point, but at the same time you would think that if you're going to get into a discussion/spat over it, you would know what exactly was being alleged.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/14 03:35 PM
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I'm sorry? I don't follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 03:07 PM
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I suppose I may be overstepping myself to an extent and disregarding those who do engage in "rape hysteria" or otherwise those who may think as much. I'm really thinking along the lines of after the most controversial parts of the allegations-- the alleged physical and sexual abuse-- were known. At that point you would think it was pretty clear that the allegations were not about rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 02:59 PM
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I know who I was replying to. That's why I said, correctly, that rape has nothing to do with the issue at hand in the comment that you responded to. That's exactly what the stigma is, in part -- the assumption that one was raped and all the baggage coming with that. There's no assumption of rape by anyone here. The worst thing is that the "progressive court of public opinion" already convicted Ghomeshi on the basis of "the allegers are women and women always tell the truth in full and you're mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 02:47 PM
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You don't get it. Unless they alleged "he raped me", then rape has nothing to do with the issue at hand. None of the allegations from the few women who've identified themselves or those who remain in hiding have anything to do with rape. Saying "there's no legal definition of rape in Canadian law" is still irrelevant if no rape is alleged to have occurred.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 02:33 PM
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So your evidential threshold for presuming sexual assault occurred is secret video? No, that's my threshold for someone saying "he appears to have done", as opposed to "he's alleged to have done" or "he has been accused of doing". No wonder there are so many "false claims" in your mind. I don't get screechingly angry and don't start throwing around baseless attacks when it comes to the issue as people who are of your opinion on the matter seem to do. I'm going to maintain that what I've said on …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 02:31 PM
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I suppose that's one way you could make up some ridiculous statistics and throw them around as "the facts" or something. But the fact is here that no one's ever been talking about "rape" in this case, unless you could the morons trying to bring "rape culture" and other things like that into the case itself. None of the allegations have anything to do with rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 02:22 PM
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No, not like his "broken rib" video. "Being secretly recorded" is what it sounds like.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 02:20 PM
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I believe the USA had the same kind of thing going on when they went into the war, at least after the first year or so that they were in the war. Why do you suppose women were prohibited from serving on the front lines? If you're a nation-state and you have a standing army of 400,000 men with say several million in the reserve, why would you go "we need to get all the women at the front because we'd be sexist otherwise"? Millions of women, depending on where they were, actually fought in the war…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 01:38 PM
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It seems to be the case that "misogyny" as these people use it has ceased to have any significant meaning at all anymore. It's interesting to see feminists trying to "bring men into the fold" so to speak when it's been made obvious, and repeatedly so, that the third/fourth wave feminist movement isn't about "equality" in any actual sense of the word. I would think that, in the context of Toronto, the feminist pants-shitting over the opening of a men's issues/support centre would be enough to dri…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 01:31 PM
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This case has nothing to do with rape, and what I said is still relevant in this case. That being said, I don't find this "society hates rape victims and not the rapist" narrative that you see coming from feminists to be on level or something that is readily apparent. If you are a rape victim and you don't go to anyone and instead decide to allege that this crime was committed against you whilst remaining anonymous, then it isn't "pro rape" or "anti woman" to ask questions or otherwise not belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 01:25 PM
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Yes. You'll see that I said "unless you're making a joke" in that comment though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 11:07 AM
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Not even. He's alleged to have done some things, or has been accused of having done some things. I would say "he appears to have done" if he had been secretly recorded engaging in the sort of behaviour that has been alleged.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 11:07 AM
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Assuming that all the allegations are absolutely true. As you're a blue piller I suppose anonymous allegations (the majority of them, still) are good enough because women, but I would like to see more in the way of substantive evidence or at least the CJ system deciding as opposed to the shit-heel ultra "progressive" elements in Toronto.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 01:09 AM
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They're all retroactively all about hating him now and going on about how "anti woman" he is, especially because the thing on Q where there was a discussion about "rape culture" and apparently he didn't "hold it to be true or take it seriously", oh no.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 01:05 AM
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The whole reaction to the allegations by some elements of the "progressive" camp was and is absolutely pathetic, beyond the shadow of a doubt. There obviously was something going on, sure, but the fact that due process and everything else was thrown out the window because it's so much easier, apparently, to just label him a sex offender and "misogynist" because "women made allegations so everything they said must be true because women! Feminism!" is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 01:04 AM
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Six or seven of those making the allegations are still anonymous, as in they don't even want their identities to be made public because they don't want to be held under any scrutiny or be cross examined in any way. That makes me sceptical of what they have to say to a certain extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 01:01 AM
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Anyone who thinks that Canadians are inherently special needs to smarten up, unless they're joking-- but there are far worse in Canada then Jian Ghomeshi, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 12:59 AM
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We're not talking about the sum total of those portions of the feminist movement. We're talking about their attitudes around war as a phenomena and the fact that they certainly weren't clamouring for mandatory service for women to sate their feminism. I wanted to address this in my prior post-- I don't consider feminism to be "an enemy" in the conventional sense. I don't hate it-- it's really more a matter of getting frustrated at the obvious bullshit that you see coming out of the movement, wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/14 12:00 AM
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Well you don't have to do much of anything as far as that goes in saying that women who ended up fighting in wars historically didn't do some because of some kind of ideological reason that contemporary feminists could/can latch on to. Again, what I said about the de facto "first wave" and the second wavers is true, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 09:36 PM
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You realize that I didn't say "women never fought in wars", right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 09:12 PM
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Society never looked down on men for weeping over something as major as death, never mind the death of someone close to you or who you love in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 07:14 PM
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The suffragettes are notorious in the context of world war one for their participation in the "white feather" campaign, which is kind of bad. Second wavers were more about female separatism and certainly wouldn't want to fight alongside "evil rapist men". It seems to me that it's really a very recent feminist talking point coined in response to people arguing that the draft and the historical societal obligation of men to go off to war by default is one point in favour of disproving the "patriar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 07:12 PM
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have galvanized a bit of a feminist resurgence over here. He's an old school misogynist who has opined several times that women should be seen and not heard. That's one characterization that I would actively dispute, but about the only one when it comes to Tony Abbott. I find Julia Gillard to be just as insufferable, and her appeals-to-feminism approach only exacerbate that. Nationalism, racism, Zionism and Libertarianism is on the rise over here. It's a worry I don't see nationalism as inherent…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 02:32 AM
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I'm not suggesting that there weren't severe issues in the past, or that there are reasons as to why portions of the aboriginal population in the states and Canada is are so fucked up in the way of being pathetically alcoholic or drug-dependant, by the way. Just that the "excessive" left really is overly focused on them, and again the portions of the black community who seem to be perpetually below the poverty line and perpetually into "ghetto" culture. You will see essentially the reduction of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 12:51 AM
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Yep, native Americans or Canadians.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:54 PM
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Arab, South Asian, and Iranian Americans face on average more virulent ethnic bigotry, and at higher levels, then African Americans do in the States-- is it because these groups are more or less inherently successful socially and economically that ethnic/racial bigotry directed at them is ignored in favour of pretending that Jim Crow never ended and that the worst off blacks in the country are representative of black people, period? We both know that the problem with some aspects of the left or …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 01:49 PM
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I don't see how talking about feminism in general is related to what I said up there. What I wrote up there is really all I've seen when it comes to "feminist discourse" on the subject of ethnic/racial prejudice or bigotry-- it's very limited, again. I suppose you can say the same for a lot of those in the socially far-left "progressive" camp; they're really disproportionately focused on specific elements of the black population and the Aboriginals as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:45 AM
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In different places at different times, but not out of some kind of feminist desire or anything like that. More like out of necessity more then anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 11:39 AM
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I don't see how you could come to that conclusion from what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 10:51 AM
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seems like he's been able to weather allegations for many years until there were just too many for anyone to want anything to do with him professionally You would think that you would hear more about it if it had been going on for years, though. What it appears to be at this point is a sudden pile-on more then anything else, which raises questions if the most each accuser has is her verbal allegation and nothing more then that. which is not the same as criminal punishment. seems like people want…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:56 PM
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it took 18 people coming forward and a close friend admitting to paying off people for things to really turn on cosby (and there is still no absolute assumption that he is guilty, it's just become a probability issue at this point, he faces no criminal backlash as all the incidences thus far reported are too old). this issue has come up over the years with him and he was always able to bury it. I'm referring to this attitude, which obviously does exist-- especially when specific cases like the C…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:40 PM
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so you are saying it might be? No, I'm not saying that. "I don't believe" isn't the same as "pretty sure but I could be wrong". i'm just curious as to how open minded and/or stubborn you are. would you find it odd if i wouldn't describe red pill or some aspect of it (i do think red pill and many aspects of it are a joke)? How is it that there has to be some kind of scale where it's either feminist or red pill? I certainly don't identify as red pill, and I'm certainly not going to hold some idea …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 06:04 PM
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Well, it's more then just "skimming" it. I don't pretend to be "always right" like some people, but I don't believe anything I said is inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:29 PM
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I don't understand as to why you're so insistent when it comes to this question. I think it would be a stupid term to use at all and that it's ridiculous in the way that it already is used by certain elements. That is to say, I would never use it as a term unless I were making fun of the people who apparently believe that it is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:18 PM
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I have gone over it, yes. What I said is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:16 PM
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If the article tries to claim that proven/convicted rapists don't go to jail, then there's absolutely no point in taking it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:05 PM
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Something that doesn't exist, and a completely unhelpful, counterproductive concept whenever it's broken out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:04 PM
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No one pretends that rape is "nonexistent". Just that the ridiculous delusions of the "rape culture" crowd and the third/fourth wave movement are just that, ridiculous delusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:39 PM
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Guys need positive role models, The obvious flaws of red pill aside, "Blue Pillers" and third/fourth wavers in general are the last people in the world to go to to talk about "role models for men". Same thing is true when it comes to talking about "masculinity" and expressions of masculinity in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:37 PM
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Considering that the alternative is apparently "rape culture exists and rape is everywhere", I don't see any problem with "nasty males" saying that rape isn't as big a problem as "rape culture advocates" and the third/fourth wave movement make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:34 PM
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is showing that historically sexual assault is something that is more often hidden in mainstream society with sexual abuse victims more often on the unfortunate end of that cover up This is all you holding forth, you realize. I say that the main issue is around evidence/lack of evidence more then anything else. It's nice for third/fourth wavers to try and create this alternate reality where "society is on the side of the rapist and hates the victim" but that alternate reality is just ludicrous, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:28 PM
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No, it wasn't. What do you think happens to convicted rapists? Actual rapists, I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:22 PM
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187 expulsions at UVA for cheating over the last thirty years That's academic dishonesty and of course they're going to expel the cheater for cheating. 0 for rape Proven rapists go to jail for committing a felony-class crime. does a culture of hiding, covering up rape exist? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:13 PM
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"Rape culture" isn't a thing, especially on post-secondary campuses. Anyone who alleges "rape culture" is a prime candidate for not being taken seriously whenever they try to start talking about rape as an issue or gender relations when it comes to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:11 PM
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Its probably statistically likely, given the general rate of rapes. That's kind of the wrong way to look at it, I think. There was enough controversy around her allegations and her changing her story and so on, so who knows? I wouldn't "believe her" by default just because she alleges something happened and can't even keep her story consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:06 PM
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That is interesting. I'm very much conscious of environmentalism but I have the feeling that that kind of self-styled "liberal activist" really goes a long way in providing the opposite end of the spectrum with a lot of canards to try and slander the environmentalist movement in general with. We see this sort of thing going on in Canada with the shithead Harpercons and their fetish for the tar sands and the pipelines and whatnot-- because of the event in Ottawa last month, the twat is trying to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:51 PM
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Why does everything have to go back to the "sheltered and the privileged" whenever you want to point fingers? I've always found in my interactions with them-- and sure, they're not that extensive-- that the feminist movement in contemporary terms, in general, has a very limited outlook in terms of "feminist discourse" when it comes to racism and other forms of bigotry. At the end of the day, it only really covers the plight of the "perpetually oppressed"; namely the kind of blacks living off of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:16 PM
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they just decided that they wanted to be allowed to try other types of work that didn't involve domestic drudgery and baby poo. Feminism didn't open doors to new lines of work. It just screamed about how women most often working in certain fields or doing certain things was a "conspiracy" or some kind of preconceived plot to "keep women in their place". The real thing you're looking for has to do with the changing of society, especially post industrial revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:12 PM
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This is a pretty well thought out post. I just wanted to say that when it comes to "progressives", you shouldn't at all be surprised if you see a certain kind of bigotry rear its head amongst their ranks. Ethnically speaking, the "oppressed" groups "that matter" are pretty much limited-- in terms of the kinds of women you're referring to having an interest in "advocating for minorities"-- to the Aboriginal population (in the states and Canada) and specific subsections of the Black population. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 04:34 AM
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Feminism, to them, means being able to access the education and opportunities forbidden to their mothers. I suppose where they'd be coming from exactly. I suppose active refugees do come from pretty dire straights, though. My daughter, nieces and their friends tend to see feminism as "calling someone a girl shouldn't be an insult" So they don't buy into "patriarchy" and "slut shaming" and "rape culture" and all that ridiculous shit? Granted, they're probably too young for that sort of garbage as…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 09:05 PM
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The non Jewish Zionism over here stems from cultural sympathy for having been removed from one's land. If that were the primary factor, you would think that their sympathy would lay with the Palestinians, of whom masses were ethnically cleansed or driven out of their land in living memory, instead of thousands of years ago. I understand how they might try and frame it that way, and they do, but it's more a matter of believing the Jews to be "exceptional" or "special" more then anything else. I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 08:39 PM
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I was an SJW before they were slacktivists. Or running around alleging "misogyny" and "homophobia" at the slightest inclination. Also the highly limited version of "racism to care about" when it comes to the people you're talking about. Zionism is pretty much confined to the conservative Sydney community; Melbourne and Adelaide are much more progressive. In my experience in Canada it's a certain kind of conservative non-Jew, then the vast majority of the Jewish community, and then certain kinds …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 08:59 AM
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I would love it if the Australian government just sent all those who subscribe to the "Council of Australian Jewry for Israel" and the fucking bogans out to the camps and stopped playing games with people who really pose no threat whatsoever and would be more useful then the two groups I mentioned. Not Australian but it's interesting to see that you care about actual issues like the one in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 07:44 AM
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I said that people like that, who're big on their third/fourth wave feminism, are only part of the problem-- potentially a big part-- and aren't part of any actual solution to existing problems. I don't mind their wearing the shirts personally, because that way I'm warned in advance "do not engage" (in the ideal sense, but it's hard to help oneself when it comes to people making the sort of statements that they do) when it comes to conversations surrounding gender or the sexes or anything like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 07:19 AM
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How are the screamingly obnoxious "look at me and my third wave feminism" types wearing shirts advertising their feminism at all part of any solution? Everything in how they conduct themselves as feminists in the real world and on the internet (fourth wave) only causes them to be a massive part of any problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 06:27 AM
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The problems that afflict the impoverished in India, of either gender, won't be solved by trying to use their situation as an example of "this is why we still need feminism!" The feminism that exists in India isn't about accusing Indian men of anything at all on a collective basis. It isn't about championing the "patriarchy theory" as some kind of fact. Out of curiosity, what do you do in the region in terms of charitable work?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 05:22 AM
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Because surely you would be equally comfortable with similarly larger, stronger people who would be expected to be sexually interested in you "greeting" you in that way. I really don't give too much of a shit if someone says hello to me on the street, or essentially says something that sounds like a greeting. No wait - when big gay dudes do that little antifeminists are usually the first to say "sexual harassment". Sorry, wrong. I'm not that little and I don't throw around arbitrary and baseless…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 03:53 AM
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What does the desperate need for hygienic health practices amongst impoverished women and the need to raise their status and standard of living This reality and the need to improve their situation applies to all impoverished or at-risk people in India, regardless of their sex. with white men feeling entitled to annoy white women in America? You seem to have a pretty low standard for what's to be considered annoying. But we're talking about cat calls, and I said to be threatened by men who're ess…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 03:25 AM
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It's 30 degrees here, a bit hot for a beanie. Well I'll have to think of something else. You probably wear darker shades of lipstick but are one of those girls who can't pull it off properly. You're probably far too forwards towards people when you get angry at them. Are men routinely forcibly sterilized in unhygienic conditions in India? Because I missed that article. The poor and excessively poor often have to work in unhygienic conditions. They have to live and raise families in unhygienic co…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 03:22 AM
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This thread is nonsense. Being desperately poor in India affects men as much if not more then it affects women, in terms of the nation's poor people. The caste system, again, is one of the primary problems within India as a society. Discussing the caste system is far more relevant and potentially productive in comparison to making a post in favour of advocating and advertising your feminism. Why do you need to derail, BTW? It's not derailing. It's providing some perspective, or at least a greate…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 03:08 AM
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It's understandable to not like someone leering at you and white-trashishly growling "I'm going to tear you open" into your ear. It's not understandable to flip your shit over people who're basically greeting you. "But they only want to fuck me" doesn't count because they're not running up to you going "hey, wanna suck my cock?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 03:02 AM
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Why are you not talking about the predominant issue in India, which is the caste system and the massive level of wealth inequality? How do you feel about the fact that there are men who're just as or more poor and how not everything gets magically solved by bringing your feminism into the mix?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 02:44 AM
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You're both pretty annoying on this particular thread but I think you just tipped the scales in your favour when it comes to being worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 02:39 AM
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Shitty post and a shitty argument. Of course you would ignore the men in the same position, financially, in India and try to turn it into some bullshit feminism argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 02:35 AM
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I bet you'd never talk about Congo-class blacks the way you'd talk about people from the Indian sub-continent. If you want to talk about issues in India, then the massive wealth disparity or the contrast between the cosmopolitan areas and the slums would be a good place to start. That, or the caste system. But on the whole I think they're worth a lot more then some useless waste of skin sitting on the curb drinking mouthwash because there's alcohol in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/14 02:34 AM
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No, not necessarily, she doesn't even need to be a slut, sex just doesn't need to be a topic of taboo around her, she doesn't need to feel ashamed by her sexuality, sexual orientation, or sexual habits. That's more of what I meant by sexually liberated. I'm fairly neutral in the context of this sub, or at least not some kind of endorser or red pill theory, but I'm just going to say that I wouldn't be in agreement with your ideal as a blue piller as to what the "right way" for women to be is arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 04:13 PM
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What if they are hiding it because they care about you and don't want you to think their a slut based on your own archaic ideas about sexuality? Fuck off with this mentality where it's "if you're not 'pro slut' then you must be sexually puritan and archaic". That's kind of an idiotic, unrealistic mentality to have. In seriousness, if they aren't engaging in that kind of sexual behaviour any more, then it's not really an issue as it wouldn't be a problem at that point. If they still feel that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 03:15 PM
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It depends alot on the kind of people you are what and what kind of friendship they have. Women who aren't self-styled genderfems or otherwise don't spend all their time getting immersed in gender wars shit are on the usual a lot more at ease with a lot of different things. That would include being able to see ribbing for what it is-- as in not at all in seriousness-- and respond in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 01:21 PM
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not Mexican.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 01:13 PM
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Forget the self-styled "red pillers". Lots of people across the board would enjoy a slut for obvious reasons. But it's just as obvious that you wouldn't want to have any kind of serious relationship with someone who's a slut for as long as they behave like a slut. Unless they're some kind of "proud slut" who's playing it up because of some gender wars bullshit, then it's pointless to be actively disparaging or harsh or anything like that. Their sexual actions just don't entitle them to being res…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 01:06 PM
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average sexually liberated woman This is stupid. So any woman who's not a "slut"/"proud slut"/idiot is "sexually repressed" by default? What kind of rationale is that? Go away, sluts! Nobody loves you! Look at these people who hate you! If you think that's what it translates to because people don't like sluttiness or those who label themselves "proud sluts" and go on "slut marches", then why be a slut in the first place? It's not a good thing, it's a bad thing. And it's not like regular people j…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 01:01 PM
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A person's sexual history is often a closely guarded secret because of that judgement where there should be none. I disagree on the issue of judgement. If you're closely guarding your sexual history because you've got some predilection to be ridiculously promiscuous and had have problems with not cheating, for example, then you should be judged, and negatively, when that comes to light, if it comes to light. People who're very open about their "free love/proud slut" tendencies also should be vie…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 12:54 PM
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I suppose I'd have to read up more on how that term came to be used in the context of prison rape. Can't really comment on it in terms of specifics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:03 PM
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The application of "rape culture" as a term in any instance is really just hysterical propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:54 PM
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So essentially you'd agree that both those going by "official" red pill theory and those of the so-called blue pill and essentially people subscribing to gender feminist theory and ideals are both equally guilty of this kind of thing to a very large degree? Because if anything that's what it looks like. I agree, generalization on such a scale, no matter who does it, is idiotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/14 04:46 PM
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I think that both accusations are thrown around a hell of a lot where there's no basis for them-- i.e. someone's a "misogynist" because they don't like gender feminist theory/accusations directed at men in general, or is "homophobic" because they don't exactly like the idea of the gay pride parades and the sort of hypersexuality and extreme flamboyancy that comes with it-- and as a result it's kind of hard to seriously look at the implications behind either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 10:26 PM
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I've had the misfortune of meeting a couple of girls who think like that in terms of relationships. Or at least who hold this idea that they can make a bunch of excuses for women who cheat on their partners but think that it's the worst atrocity when men do it. They don't even register when you say "no, it's bad regardless of who does it".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 06:03 PM
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I'm not at all a red piller and I think it's a good thing to hold people who legitimately act like sluts in contempt, especially the third waver "proud sluts" that seem to think it's a positive attribute and otherwise perpetuate this idiotic and false narrative. A slut who doesn't try to turn her sluttiness into some kind of petulant gender feminist statement, or who doesn't label herself a "proud slut" and harp about how everyone who thinks being a slut is a bad thing "is sexist and misogynisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 03:18 PM
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I'm sure someone's tried to. I mean, they usually run with "sexist misogynist scumbag" as an attack by default and consider it to be sufficient in terms of the gender feminist community on the internet, but I would not be surprised if someone did try to dox her ex or people that he is associated with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 01:58 PM
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I guess so. There's no point in working on people who've got this set opinion based in maliciousness of some kind, but it is annoying to have to deal with people who shoot their mouths off simply because they don't know much or can't be bothered to do a bit of reading apart from "oh I saw something that happened in Saudi Arabia" or they saw the ISIS on the news.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 12:25 PM
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No problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 12:08 PM
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Yes, but it's certainly coming from both sides of the spectrum. The ultra-liberals and the third wavers and the like are especially as guilty as the kinds of people I mentioned before when it comes to having this ridiculous view of the Middle East and other parts of the world. When you have people talking about Tunis or Beirut or really any of the metropolises in the region-- sans say official society in Saudi or somewhere that's legitimately being fucked by war or instability-- as though it's s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 12:07 PM
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What makes you so sure that he is? Just the fact that Quinn's an obnoxious gender feminist on the internet? That's the main reason other like-minded people on the internet are supporting her. Whose word do you have other then hers that her "family and friends" were or are being harassed? It's already come to light that Sarkeesian was lying about "receiving death threats to her home" and things like that, and she's annoying as shit, as well as being a waste of time, but she's no Zoe Quinn in term…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 12:00 PM
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They both came to Canada-- on separate boats, of course-- in 1951 or thereabouts. As far as I'm aware, that would mean that she would've had her own passport. I don't think the priority for the government in immediate post-war West Germany was to try to contain citizens and prevent them from living elsewhere. I agree that Canada was "progressive" to excess, but it's not like she was stopped from going over there to work by her family or the government or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 11:45 AM
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They do all sorts of things, take all sorts of precautions over things what're extremely unlikely to happen, in the off chance that someone thinks they can pull off filing a lawsuit or trying to bleed the airline-- in this case-- dry because a spider fell into their drink or something like that. It's not indicative of this things being likely or having a record of happening more then once in a blue moon.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 11:28 AM
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These posts are going to be full of people who think that "the Middle East" is just one big Saudi Arabia or like Afghanistan when it was under Talib domination, aren't they. For the sake of a better exchange-- one thing I take issue with elements of the MRA, particularly the "feistier" ones who may learn more "red pill" or whatever, is that some of them are pre-disposed to alleging as much of what I wrote up there, or writing something to the effect of "the Arabs" or those living in the greater …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 11:25 AM
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I think the only one who's unhinged and who has a massive chip on the shoulder in this scenario is Zoe Quinn. I've read the "zoe posts" that her ex-boyfriend wrote. I don't think she's being "harassed" although like Sarkeesian, she is making up things and then running around pretending that "I'm being targeted with all these horrible things and being ignored because patriarchy". No, it isn't activism. I just think she absolutely deserves it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 11:16 AM
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Zoe Quinn deserved and deserves all of what she's been getting and more considering she's a liar and seemingly not a decent person. Also because of this mindless backing of her by the virtue of "she's a woman and a feminist" and the knee-jerk acceptation of her narrative as being true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 11:07 AM
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Not an accurate statement considering that there is no one definitive "MRA", and because criticism of second and third wave gender feminism isn't at all "fighting against the rights of women". I can say that I am not a member of the MRA community nor have I ever considered myself to be one, but there's been this ridiculous polarization in terms of certain people trying to classify the MRA as collectively some kind of cartoonish sexists, and it's stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 11:06 AM
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It's funny because it's not hard at all to see how stupid and outright illogical both lines of thinking are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/14 10:55 AM
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But that's because of the litigation-centricness, not because of imaginary hordes of strange men lusting to sexually interfere with children on airplanes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 04:21 AM
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Mid through late 1950's. German immigrants to Canada in their late 20s through early 30s by the start of 1960.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 04:19 AM
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Gender feminist as in someone who buys into or propagates second or third wave gender feminist theory, as opposed to a far vaguer and broadly-encompassing definition of "feminist", depending on where you go. Ask your grandmother what would have happened if she'd wanted to return to work after marriage, leave a drunk and abusive husband or buy her own house. As far as I'm aware she did work after she got married up until she gave birth. Then I believe it was back to work until she had her second …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 04:03 AM
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You're jumping around an awful lot in what sort of crime could supposedly happen. Regardless, it is still pretty stupid to assume that if you bring children onto a plane that they're going to run the risk of being sexually assaulted by strange men on the basis of "oh no there are strangers that are men on the plane!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 04:00 AM
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How exactly did I say that? Going onto a plane and assuming that had some likely potential to happen would be pretty idiotic, I have to say again. Are you one of those smaller girls? Maybe that factors into this mentality where you feel as though you have to be on the alert for any possibility of something bad, no matter how implausible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 03:39 AM
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Not the way gender feminists and particularly the remaining second wavers like to make it out to have supposedly functioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 03:37 AM
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Operating under this assumption that you're in some kind of imminent risk of being fondled because a man is sitting next to you on the plane is about as idiotic and baseless as seeing someone who's Muslim and going "oh well they must be a terrorist" and "they must be on the plane to blow it up or crash it into something". Only idiots would operate under either way of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 02:52 AM
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I'll take being assumed to be a man hater over the inability to buy property, access contraception, have bodily or fiscal autonomy, be able to remain in the workforce after marriage, study non traditional subjects and pursue non traditional career paths, have legal recourse after being sexually assaulted, being the De facto property of my husband, being able to leave an abusive or unfaithful partner and being able to cross state lines without the permission of my husband. It's actually pretty in…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 02:48 AM
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I don't follow. But my point still stands. This isn't like their coverage of the Israel-Palestine situation or anything else that they can conceivably try to put a spin on, politically biased or outright wrong or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/14 02:31 AM
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It's a shitty website but that's not one of the subjects that they feel they can just blatantly pull stuff out of their asses and get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 11:51 PM
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More accurately, the proliferation of a ridiculous societal narrative amongst certain circles gave rise to the second wave of feminism back in the day. I don't understand how some people can pretend that it was some kind of good thing, especially when you consider that it's biting you as a contemporary feminist in the butt considering that the second wave really created, and not at all without reason, the archetype of the "man hating feminist".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 11:31 PM
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What would your response be if this person delivered on what he was talking about up there?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 11:25 PM
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It's just something written by a gender feminist for the Guardian's "women's section" saying in effect "it's a non issue and anyone who says otherwise is pro rape and anti woman". How can anyone possibly take that seriously? It's ridiculous to even go around throwing out accusations of "this person supports raping women because they don't agree with me" to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 11:14 PM
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Someone believing in and applying some kind of idiotic attack terminology designed for hiding behind/deflecting any kind of "negative" comments on their choices/behaviour isn't something that's commendable or seriously worthy of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 11:08 PM
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"Slut shaming" isn't a real thing. It's stupid when you hear someone using the term-- unless they're sneering at it-- regardless of who exactly uses it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 11:00 PM
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how is this an adequate response, even if the guy is red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 02:36 PM
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But it's not realistic to expect society to restructure itself around reactionary values Define "reactionary" values from a nuanced perspective as opposed to say a member of the militant LGBT community using the term to be disparaging. so no matter what, you've got to find a way to integrate with modern progressivism. Or post-modern "progressivism" of the worst sort has to find a way to moderate itself in some way instead of screamingly applying the worst kind of characteristics to anyone who do…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 02:34 PM
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because trp always devolves into sort of a gender war/pity party rather then the sexual subreddit that is supposed to be. Going to preface by stating that I am not a red piller or sympathetic to the red pill-- but essentially you're saying that red pill de facto turns into a gender-flipped "spear counterpart" of the gender feminist movement, with emphasis on the third waver "sex positives". That's one thing amongst others that I take issue with the red pill over and I couldn't agree more that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/14 01:53 PM
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role of slut walks was to reclaim the streets and a woman's right to feel safe, regardless of their outfits. It was a hilariously childish over-reaction to one stupid comment-- something that's both again hilarious and at the same time depressing in the sense that this over-reaction is characteristic of third wavers especially on a very broad scale. Ties into whinging about being "slut shamed" and "victim blamed" and a host of other things that just gives of the impression of a pack of petulant …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 09:33 PM
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Speaking from my relatively neutral/middle of the road position, one thing I have noticed is that a good deal of gender feminists, with emphasis on the whole "slut walker"/"sex positive" third waver feminists, either end up behaving in such a way where it becomes pretty hard if not impossible to view them as adults, or otherwise you're going to get a pretty negative reaction to the expectation that they behave as functional adults with everything that entails. Outside of that, I wouldn't agree a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 06:51 PM
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Good point, lower class women were expected to do physical labor and be strong. The upper-class notions of beauty and femininity did tend to be the dominant view of those things though. It wasn't just restricted to the lower class for women to work or actually be active in doing things. And in the context of the single societal set-up that we're largely talking about, upper-class women weren't supposed to be, as a general rule, brainless things that were just kept around to look pretty or otherw…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 06:22 PM
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Still don't see how it's relevant. Something like 14% of Americans still think Obama forged his birth certificate. He's still the president. But this is a different thing entirely. It's true it doesn't make a difference because they can't change the laws as they are, but the fact that you get third wavers spouting garbage on the internet and in real life is an issue nonetheless. It could use some work, can you post some actual quotes that you're referring to? I think we're at an impasse as far a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 06:06 PM
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Whatever some internet "third wavers" might incorrectly assume doesn't change the law. It's not limited to the internet by any means, they're just especially vocal when it comes to the internet. What, in your opinion, is sex positivism about then? As far as I've seen, the one constant is this idea that women can do whatever they like sexually and anyone who thinks or says anything that isn't fawningly approving is either a sexist or a puritan or "shaming" the women in question. Sex positives als…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 09:39 PM
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Umm, I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure that alone isn't going to be admissible as evidence of rape. There seem to be enough third wavers IRL and on the internet who do think that's all the evidence or "proof" that's needed. Why? Does something about being sex-positive (liking sex between consenting adults) That's not what the sex positive movement is about, though. That much is obvious when they make up this narrative that absolutely everyone else is some kind of puritan. mean it's ok to verball…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 09:00 PM
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Um, I'm not really sure what you're talking about anymore guy. I never said anything about patriarchy being the root of all evil, I already told you my thoughts on that as well. What I wrote can't be that poorly executed in terms of the things that I'm talking about. And no-- I'm saying that that "it's traditional views of the genders" line ultimately ties back to "blame the patriarchy for that", not "you said that the 'patriarchy' is the root of all evil". And the traditional view of women at l…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 08:21 PM
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Sorry if I was unclear: athletes generate positive press and profits which is why Steubenville officials were protecting them, not the media. Yeah, maybe to a certain extent at any rate. I doubt that they'd be able to say anything in the defence of their assets if it were a much clearer situation and there were consistent eyewitness accounts of it being as such. You don't have to speak in probablies, go look up data on false rape accusations. FBI statistics from 1996 that're most commonly being …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 07:11 PM
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I'm familiar with Erin Pizzey, and she makes some excellent points about society not wanting to acknowledge women can also be violent, but I don't think that translates to "supremacy for the vagina!" at all. It depends on who's accusing her of whatever. The main problem is that if a man defends himself in the case of excessive violence on the part of a woman, whether wife or girlfriend, he can be accused of perpetuating domestic violence himself in turn. Throwing around ridiculous statistical al…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 12:47 PM
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whoever gets the most positive press for the school. Sometimes it's athletes (Steubenville), People always forget that in this case the media wasn't absolving them, outside of saying that it was a murky situation and that the perps were actually people as opposed to the rape demons from the pits of hell or something. Let's also keep in mind that false rape reports are in the single digits by most accounts. It's probably gone up at least a certain extent with the rise of "sex positive" feminism a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 11:10 AM
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Well as I recall the "accusatory hysteria" was in reference to the fact that the house oversight committee, which was deciding on the religious exemption of HBC in the ACA, was composed entirely of men while men aren't the ones who even take HBC. It seemed hypocritical to many people. This is from the Wikipedia page: The house oversight committee being comprised of men is ground enough to break out all the usual spurious or outright hysterical (I understand that this is repetitious, but it reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 09:00 PM
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Ok, what exactly did Sandra Fluke say that was so bad? AFAIK, she was just advocating for HBC Sounded to me like the usual third wave college-girl agitational garbage and that's basically what it became in the aftermath of her initial statement and especially amongst her supporters. I don't live in the states and all I heard for the most part from the "proud sluts" and third wavers was to the tune of "Sandra Fluke, the newest victim of patriarchy and misogyny" and how it was a matter of "people …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:54 PM
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IIRC, you still have to pay for the nicer, more expensive methods like IUDs which pre ACA ran about $100-$150 - at least in 2008 that's what planned parenthood quoted me. Pills, patches, shots and condoms are cheaper but less convenient. Well that's fair enough. There's no reason why the state level or federal government should be paying for these things that're otherwise in the market of middle class and upwards. The problem is planned parenthoods also rely heavily on donations,and can't afford…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/14 07:07 PM
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Not a red piller or a fan of red pill but it is absolutely hilarious how knee-jerk the accusation of dehumanization or the sarcastic "well you know that idea that women are people" jab are. The sheer frequency you see it coming out in much more general then just the red pill/blue pill spats is just ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 09:35 PM
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I think your personal views on Fluke are clouding your judgement on this. It's very black and white in terms of benefits to people and cost savings to the fed. You're right in that's a big part reacting a certain way or reacting negatively. If you cut out all the Sandra Fluke style garbage and just show objectively how it can benefit those who're allegedly or publically too poor to pay for birth control, then it's a different story all together, especially because it's not tainted by that rabid …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 07:58 PM
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I would love to live in a world where birth control is so effective and available abortions are only needed in life and death cases. Birth control as it is is touted as having an overwhelming success rate along with careful sex, or so I keep hearing. There's literally no reason for abortion to even come into the equation as an option if you're practising safe sex effectively, which is why I think it should be more regulated then it is already. Not really sure how regulated abortion is misogyny t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 07:24 PM
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Taken from a neutral point of view it is a much better alternative and potentially a dampener on the whole "regulated abortion is sexism and misogyny" ridiculousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 07:00 PM
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Yet somehow men and women continue to engage in sex and have expensive unplanned babies anyway. Huh. Clearly it's a matter of carelessness more so then "but I can't afford birth control!"-- I do think that in terms of the real down-and-outs, increased sex education, from a neutral source, would be a good idea. Why not kill two birds with one stone? HBC is cheaper as a medicine for those who need it (6/10 women take HBC specifically for a medical problem), hormonal imbalances which may become mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:55 PM
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That seems fairly simple, actually. If you literally can't pay for birth control then you shouldn't be having sex until you can-- there are far more important things for state money to go towards, and I say this as someone who has a lot of harsh things to say about the way money's spent at the federal level as far as the states goes. I don't consider my view to be simplistic or naïve just because it's not in alignment with your opinion on this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 06:08 PM
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I've been called a "slut" by random strangers while wearing jeans and a t-shirt. The clothing is not going to make a harasser come up and start hassling you, it's their internal attitude that you deserve to be harassed. The clothing is just an excuse. I'm talking about those people who complain about being "slut shamed" as in the example of being criticized for wearing overly revealing or sexual dress and especially in places where it's not acceptable to do so. Basically whining about being crit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 05:40 PM
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I would say that the majority of the people who end up breaking out "slut shaming" as an accusation are essentially talking out of their asses (see "rape culture" and "everyday misogyny" and "culture of objectification and male entitlement" and so on)-- and this does become more of a clear thing once you do notice that it's easily going to come out unless you're being explicitly supportive of how they conduct themselves or their choices, no matter how shitty or poorly thought out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 04:57 PM
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That's one of the assumptions of my argument yes. Assumptions aren't necessarily true. I'm not really interested in "arguing"-- if you consider this an argument-- based around your assumption that seems to be based around the thinking of those who think that "women aren't seen as people" or that there's "misogyny" lurking around every corner or parading itself shamelessly down the street. I'm not wishing to dispute whether this assumption is true or not, it's just an assumption for the sake of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 03:08 PM
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Posting this again and again doesn't make it true or otherwise anything more solid then a concept that's going to be used 99% of the time by avowed third wavers and slut walkers and "sex positives". Some examples of circumstances where women are "slut-shamed" include: violating accepted dress codes by dressing in sexually provocative ways So being criticized for dressing overly provocatively and in a place that's definitely not acceptable to do so. Basically whining about being criticized for do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 12:55 PM
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Sorry, but how exactly isn't it? I'd say it's a much better organization then the majority of the news services you'd get in the states, particularly when it comes to not being sensationalist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/14 08:41 AM
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I'm trying to coax that reason out of you, if you're not getting it yet. I know what you're trying to imply here. You're wrong though. Again, you're using a different version of "slutty" than I am. I don't know how we can discuss this if you won't even allow me to establish the parameters of the argument You're operating under this narrative where women get called "sluts" at the drop of a pin and are otherwise unfairly treated consciously and as a default. We both know that "slut" isn't applied …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 06:33 PM
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The reason doesn't matter. The reason does matter. I suppose not if you just want to go on about the "unfair double standard that people hold", but the reason does matter still. In our society, sex is seen as an achievement for men, but an indulgence for women. And talking about this seriously hinges on recognizing that there is a reason as to why this way of thinking exists to a certain extent. Again, we're using the wikipedia definition of sluts: judging somone for their sexual apetite or sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 05:46 PM
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The thing is it's not just a matter of talking or "clashing" with or however you want to characterize it with a few people personally. If you ever come across the sort of things that the people who created the term and believe in it write-- it's, like all the other terms or concepts or bits of rhetoric, over-applied on a massive scale. So clearly it's not just me going "oh well I personally saw it used in this way and it looked ridiculous".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 05:32 PM
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Not really. Just because you view the term 'slut-shaming' as a "concept that's used "on the attack" or otherwise to basically shut down any criticism of women who do act like sluts" doesn't make it so. It does when that's really a major factor in terms of the situation(s) where it makes an appearance, primarily as an accusation. I find whenever you say anything at all apart from third wave "sex positive" affirmation, then you have a good chance of seeing "slut shaming" being used, as I said, on …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 05:20 PM
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The issue is that med are encouraged by society to be sexually promiscuous, while women are discouraged. No they're not, not in the same way that you would characterize female promiscuity. Men are lauded more amongst their peers to a certain extent if they're exceptionally good at getting sex, but that's really because that entails a lot of effort put into it. That's different then some kind of male promiscuity, also. There's no logical reason to treat men and women differently in this instance.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 05:10 PM
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Why don't you accuse me of being red pill next, or something? What I said still is valid, regardless of my supposed axe to grind as far as this whole thing goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 04:59 PM
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That's one of the bigger problems with the red pill, when it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 02:53 PM
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I've heard other men attempt to justify cheating. Hell, I've heard my friends try to justify cheating. So then there are men that engage in this type of behavior? I didn't say otherwise. Just that the only people I've heard trying to justify it have been women, and it does seem to be less of a thing amongst men in comparison. I should say again that it's women of a specific mindset or who have a certain outlook when it comes to society more then anything when I talk about a more open selective a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 02:45 PM
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There aren't men who engage in that type of behavior? Specific "kinds" of gay men in the "LGBT" scene, I suppose. I wouldn't consider the first two things I listed to be somehow acceptable in the case of these men acting in such a way either. As for infidelity-- it's disgusting no matter who does it. The only people I have heard attempting to justify it have been women trying to defend women cheating, but these were really into third wave feminism and otherwise the sort of girls who'd get into "…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 02:08 PM
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How would you define a "slut," then? Dressing in an excessively revealing way, most often acting overly or excessively promiscuously-- although in this case the ones who get all gender feminist about being "objectified" or hit on are worse then the ones who don't-- and of course anyone who engages in or expresses support for infidelity, with emphasis in this case of justifying female infidelity for whatever reason. It doesn't seem to mesh with your definition. Making a women feel guilty for her …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 01:23 PM
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I think the issue is with the double standard. The two are not the same. They are, and should be of course, equal under the law but men and women are going to have their differences and specific things will be perceived differently. I don't see that as a "double standard" in the distinctly negative sense of the word. Men tell other men not to enter relationships with women that have a long sexual history, but there's no pressure in the other direction. There's more to it then just the vague "lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 01:03 PM
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My first thought is why do men get blame for slut shaming when it's something women primarily do? Because it's really kind of a moronic concept that's been tooled to be broken out in "gender wars" arguments especially, and often by people who like throwing around "sexist" or "misogynist" as accusations as well. As far as the use of this term goes, reality doesn't really enter into it. My second thought is why do upper class women know the best way to insult another woman is to attack her sex lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 11:24 AM
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That's hilarious because that's some pretty good advice that you can give in terms of a long term relationship or a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 09:58 AM
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Al Jazeera is a reputable organization. Why are they using terminology like "slut shaming" as though it's anything more then this concept that's used "on the attack" or otherwise to basically shut down any criticism of women who do act like sluts? As it is-- if you look at a couple of different lower class sub-cultures-- say the "white trash" and "black trash" subcultures respectively-- there is a distinct lack of class/sense of trashiness in almost all aspects of their lives, but good god are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 09:56 AM
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My brother-in-law prattles on about how all his female cousins are whores, and told me the worst thing that could ever happen to him is if his daughter turned out like that. Do they act like sluts? I think that's the main question that has to be asked in this situation, to see if they actually do anything conceivably slutty. Calling your cousins "whores" is pretty tacky, though. Far better to just outline the behaviour that you don't like and explain why it would be a bad thing for his daughter …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 09:30 AM
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Not if you break out "it's the patriarchy" or "toxic male culture" or anything else along those lines. Bad enough as it is to have all this shrieking and squealing when it comes down to "shaming me for my sexual choices as a woman" or whatever you're maybe going to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 09:20 AM
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Considering that you don't just call anyone a slut, it's far less common then what's alleged by some. Or you can easily say "don't be a slut" in the same way I could do something stupid and someone could tell me "don't act like a moron".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/14 01:25 AM
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This sounds pretty stupid and you can expect that it's going to be bombarded with the most petulant and childish of the "sex positive"/Slut walker movements. Not an actual thing, at least not in the way the people who use the term make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/14 11:17 PM
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On the most basic level, how it's defined in the dictionary-- as severe dislike or outright hatred of girls and women. As an existing thing-- incredibly rare, especially when it comes to the public eye or otherwise within society, and maybe one of the most over-applied accusations there is flying around today. Most definitely the most when it comes to the "gender wars" or whatever you want to call it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/14 03:30 AM
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Men do as it is already. But in the case of cheating-- if the guy legitimately acted in a way that ended up causing the infidelity, then it is his responsibility. I find that in general there are more women who'll try to justify unwarranted cheating on the part of a woman then there are men who justify men cheating, so it's not something that you can just take at face value right away.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/14 12:27 AM
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How exactly are you coming to that conclusion? Or even jumping over to the subject of infidelity?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/14 12:17 AM
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Frankly it comes down to women being shamed for behaviors men get off scot-free from. Not at all, really. Guys who end up acting like idiots sexually are probably lucky if they only get criticized for it and nothing else. "Shaming" is just a way to try and say that "oh you're being sexist and unfair if you're talking about a woman". Look at the girl who killed herself because someone found her BCC video and mocked her mercilessly for it. She made a pretty stupid decision and got insulted for it?…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/14 12:10 AM
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but I think 'slut shaming' is real, harmful, and perpetuated by TRP. It's "real" in the sense that women who act a certain way in terms of sloppy slutty behaviour or otherwise making dumb choices sexually are criticized for it, and especially if they start whining or complaining. I think that what's been called "slut shaming"-- an exceedingly stupid term-- is a must if you want to speak of sexual equality in the truest sense of the word, which of course is something that the "slut walkers" and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 11:51 PM
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Not at all red pill, for a start. I mean, I say basically what my position is, as long winded as I sound, right beside my name. "Sex positivity" in the context of gender feminism alone is a pretty bad joke. More of the same in the way of "you don't get to say anything when it comes to a woman's choices, no matter how stupid or poorly thought out they are". Add on idiotic sloganeering and the perpetuation of baseless ideas like "slut shaming" and "rape culture" and other things and it just gets w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:08 PM
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Well being a "fat, pill-popping loser" in the words of fellow goofball supreme Don Imus really does impede the chances of contributing anything worthwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:04 PM
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Well be careful not to cut yourself on that edge. God at least you're not someone who's taking the piss the whole time and then starts complaining later on about not being taken seriously. What sort of thing? What are we even talking about? Forget it. You weren't paying attention as it is anyways. Lol no, not really. Generally me and my sex-positive friends tend to just have lots of sex. Careful you don't say the wrong thing and turn into a "rape apologist" after the fact or something moronic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 07:37 AM
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It is, and it's not really polite, but I found out a while ago that you can't seriously talk to the whole "sex positive" crowd when it comes to this sort of thing. It's like "agree with every initiative and whatever a woman says as far as this goes and all our rhetoric or be branded a rape apologist and a sexist if not an outright woman hater".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 07:22 AM
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Whoooooa, lol where did this come from? "No better"? Lol that's pretty dramatic language Not really. I mean your posting in here is entirely of a tongue-in-cheek nature, albeit with this blue pill by default attitude to start with, but I am talking in at least a sense of seriousness. I don't use or respect those who use the term "feminazi". Well, maybe I do know those kind of people lol, since I kind of am one. Sex-positive allies who go on slut walks are super awesome though. Well I can imagine…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 07:06 AM
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"feminazi" is a stupid term for fat fucks and by the point you're throwing that around then you're no better then someone who uses "misogynist/rape apologist" at the drop of a pin. It's not constrained to any one kind of person, outside for maybe a penchant for hysteria and wild statements/accusations concerning sex and gender and so on. If you know any girls who're "sex positive" or part of the "slut walk" and male "allies", then these are really the people who're really big on doing stuff like…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:49 AM
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Disregarding the specifics of what he said, but there is to a certain extent some rubbish that flies around when it comes to post-secondary institutions. Good thing is that the people of either sex who buy into this sort of thing on campus are usually going to be fairly visible/loud when it comes to talking about it or "educating" the population on the "proper way to respect women" or "the 50 different ways you can rape someone without knowing it" or the "300 different things that are examples o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:42 AM
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Thing is that some red pillers aren't any better in the sense that they go there's only rape culture and man-apes where "X" group of people live and then it's, more then anything, carte blanche to go talk about the raping sand niggers or whatever stupid shit it is they want to say. Rape culture as a term is across the board pretty ridiculous and worthless in application.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:23 AM
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Actually Arabs are one of the groups that a lot of these people have the potential to act incredibly racist to, and this attitude does end up bleeding into some areas on the other distinct end of the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:18 AM
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Depending on what it's actually about, I think, but in general anyone who really talks about getting onto twitter and being an 'activist' really is giving twitter posts a massive overdose in unwarranted importance. I don't think we're in agreement over everything besides the inanity of twitter, though-- I was getting at that much of what they were saying as part of that hashtag is completely "circlejerky" and I would call it, at the risk of sounding pithy or rude, fucking dumb regardless of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 06:07 AM
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I've actually never experienced seeing that until her post, and done in complete seriousness at that. Surprised it wasn't straight into alleging something actually serious/damning based on the textbook definition of the term used.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 05:58 AM
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In seriousness, that's one dumb fucking hashtag. It's about as hard to take them seriously with "yesallwomen" as it is when the same kinds of people start talking about sexual assault or rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 05:52 AM
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They're both idiots. Guy in question sounds about as stupid in his basic premise (and pulling the 'one step away from genocide' shtick) and some of the other things he was talking about as she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 05:38 AM
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I'm of a mind, as I think many others are, that men do face some discrimination and some double standards. Where the problem arises is when the entirety of the female gender is blamed for this, like there's some shadowy cabal of women seeking to misander all over the place. I agree, behaving in the way that the gender feminist movement did and does, except "flipped", is absolutely idiotic and not at all the way to go about addressing anything. One of the reasons why I don't partake in specific s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 05:31 AM
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And your eternal butthurt proves my long-held conviction that the manosphere is full of whiny pussies with a persecution complex who think you can debate without offering citations, while maintaining a viewpoint that denies the opposing view basic respect. In honesty this can really be applied to the equivalent of the "manosphere", if you want to reduce the "manosphere" to a specific set of forums or websites. I don't consider it to be on such a small scale, but again the equivalent in this case…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 05:04 AM
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I really couldn't say anything as far as that goes, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 08:40 PM
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Latinos would arguably get more hate then Black people. A lot of the "anti-racism" as rhetoric is really only limited to African Americans and Aboriginals-- speaking in a relatively neutral way, I've seen some pretty horribly racist things spouted off from some of the people who profess to be against racism in general and otherwise actively campaigning against instances of racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 06:16 PM
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but also that you're part of the reason why feminism exists and continues to be needed. Not really. Some people in general are always going to say coarse or downright nasty things, and no inane bleating of "casual misogyny! Sexist male attitudes!" as per the course for the majority of enthusiastic "gender" feminists is going to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 06:05 PM
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You know what he's saying isn't accurate, so why would you go along in such a way? For what it's worth, the primary "poor, urban, non-whites" that contribute to rubbish gender theory or something similar are or most likely would be poor, urban African-American/Canadian or Aboriginal women. Speaking in the honest sense (and I hope I don't sound like someone who goes "it's a collaboration and conspiracy!") these two sub-groups, in terms of the ones that are arguably "gender/theory" feminists, will…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 05:56 PM
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Definite emphasis on the second example when it comes to the application of the word in the decidedly negative sense. The worst kinds of sluts are the ones who're extremely irresponsible in all sorts of ways and who really buy into the whole "proud slut/anyone who says anything is 'slut shaming' " attitude while they're at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 01:54 AM
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I respect women and I seek out "sluts". I respect women based on the same virtues that I'd respect a man on, but anyone who's actually a slut doesn't deserve to be respected for their choices, especially if they start to complain about something or other as a result of stupid choices. What /u/sh1v seems to not get is that sluts are awesome and doing it right. They're certainly not "doing it right" outside of the capacity to provide some easily reachable sexual thrill. Certainly not good for any …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 12:22 AM
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That's true, but there are enough in the way of a vocal minority who believe they're entitled to free birth control. I suppose it's more just a case of saying that it should be paid for by the person in a vague way, if that makes any sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 12:13 AM
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You should have to pay out of your own pocket for birth control pills, though, as in the same way that you'd pay for condoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 12:10 AM
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