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Most women also get along much easier with other women but are sexually attracted to men. Same picture in both directions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:23 PM
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ISTJ. The most basic, building block of soyciety beta male. Stack: Si-Te-Fi-Ne For we do what is RIGHT.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:04 PM
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Borderline insulting. Regardless of the specific situation here if I make a serious pass at a woman and she goes with the other guy I probably want some distance for a while. If she's fucking my bully, possibly BECAUSE he is my bully, I'm cutting her off. Snape's mistake at that point was still being hung up and psycho.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 04:00 AM
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It doesn't work like that for most people. Outside of being together in a hobby (or in some rare cases workplace, although that's frowned upon these days) most men and women don't stick around each other long enough, ESPECIALLY with another purpose and thus less reason and opportunity to be performative. And yes, some men will push for early sex, and YES, some women get mad and feel unwanted if he doesn't. "Dating" or many ways men and women meet aren't conducive to getting to know each other de…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 08:24 AM
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You need a lot of time around someone to accurately gauge them - like at the very least a few days of time. Of course you can get a general sense of someone, and this gets better with experience, but in general....expect to get the advertising preview first. So you have to make a read and a choice. And the thing is - the way someone is treated by his peers and acts himself DOES give you a good clue where they stand, roughly, a lot of people by and large have a good idea of their value and standi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:02 PM
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It's fairly easy how this particular thing works, no? 3 factors: - "Nice"/rule-abiding and agreeable people project, and are also more trusting (because they expect others to be similarly rule-abiding and agreeable), so at first if someone is more successful they won't expect them to be scammers or stealing credit - Women use the way a man sees himself as a proxy measure for how much they're actually worth. They don't have the time to fully understand someone right away, and for people who are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 07:24 AM
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This is the weirdest thing ever. It's all feelings and weirdness and people doing things impulsively and hamstering up legends in their head. What would you even know about her or the relationship after 5 weeks, and/or how much self-awareness do you even have? Do whatever you feel like doing, it's what you've done so far....
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 11:32 AM
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Don't believe the hype. A lot of this is just signalling. But also: It'd be pretty much impossible to have a man who is both physically and personality-wise such a niche character that he wouldn't have multiple possible options, IF he is attractive enough to get some in the first place. So this is a purely theoretical hypothetical. Impossible to completely disentangle preselection, status and baseline attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:58 AM
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But you will concede that if those overtime sprints are not adequately compensated or hypothetically are taxed out the ass that it might not be worth it, right? Or that you wouldn't drive Uber in your off-time just to hustle a bit harder and get some extra cash. It depends on the individual, but there has to be some proportion to the extra effort and reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 06:44 PM
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Well there was a reason people had shotgun weddings or men dueled other men for diddling their daughters or sisters. Not saying it was very frequent, but it clearly happened and I assume in a lot of countries the lower classes did not marry as virgins unless they did it at an early age. It was less frequent than today for sure, but it did happen. And when and if it did it was usually older, more primal parts of their brains overriding their social conditioning and higher thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 01:19 PM
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Well they did, and it wasn't an amazing idea back then either. But then we as humans don't decide everything with our neocortex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 09:54 AM
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The idea behind the stipulation is that if you're with someone and you 100% think having a kid with that guy or gal is a terrible idea (and not just not what you want RIGHT NOW but as in.....never) you shouldn't have sex with them. Basically....someone who has no value as a partner and parent even in an unlikely emergency shouldn't even be an option for casual sex. Not sure I agree, but that's essentially the point. On the flipside I'd extend this to say that once you can no longer get pregnant …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 09:53 AM
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Yeah. And again, the one past crush that I never got with also did this, tried to make me fight one of her other orbiters before and then later tried to sic her boyfriend on me. And I've seen this behaviour before in other women too. It's nowhere near all women, but there's definitely a subset of them, and I imagine alcohol does kick it into next gear.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 08:49 AM
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I can definitely see it happen. In case two men are fighting most women are automatically drawn to the winner. So if her boyfriend backs down and deescalates he loses some standing in her eyes, and if he fights and loses...that may very well be it. As a man I would really avoid women who actively try to make this happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 08:48 AM
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You realize this is an example, deliberately overstated to make the point clearer? Hell, it might even work with going from 9h/day to 10.5, and paying 50% instead of 35% Still takes a big chunk out of your free time for a much less significant gain. The dating market is increasingly like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 05:46 AM
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demanding protection I usually solve problems by talking about them, but had several girlfriends in the past that demanded I beat up someone for checking them out too much to show that I care about them. This enforces aggression in men. It's worse than that. Most women love men fighting over them on some atavistic level and some of them would even try to engineer situations in which men fight for them. Gets them off and whatnot. The way particularly beta men try to avoid unnecessary fights and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:23 PM
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Those jocks could've settled with her too. There are people that marry young. At 25 for example. That doesn't make it any better. Either she chose shitty men or they did not consider her worth keeping around. She'd have to sell it to her beta guy really well and make him believe that her tastes have actually evolved (instead of her settling), and that really only works if they both have something to work with (meaning she kept herself in good shape and he's also reasonably attractive). A doctor …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 06:42 AM
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Privileged women can still get abortions since they often have the money, energy, time and information to go to another state if necessary. For them this is an inconvenience but not a tragedy, whether they need it or not. If anything working class or lower middle class women are a relevant demographic because they often have messier and more chaotic sex lives and relationships - and with this law might not have the means to abort.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 02:28 PM
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I have a vast store of precise memories that I use as a comparison or reference for things I encounter, and also figure out things I don't know by just collecting information about them until I can eliminate all interpretations that don't match all of these facts (A bit like Sherlock Holmes but less impressive). On top of that I also have the physical manifestation of Si - good awareness and control of my own body, its structure and health etc. As for N-types: Yes, N and T are both attributes po…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 07:09 PM
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I used to know a little and took online tests with usually made me out to be an INTJ or INTP (but mostly because increased intelligence is nearly always conflated with NT types). Then I refined my knowledge a bit but also talked to other people in this community who are much more knowledgeable about MBTI. One of them then typed me as ISTJ based on my function stack (and my self-admission that I have off-the-charts Si and that I feel like that's my best function by far). I balked at this initiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 05:27 PM
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Male (35), ISTJ, Purple leaning red. I was hopelessly blue-pilled as a younger man because Spergs don't understand signalling, meta-communication and other things normies do to meta-communicate - I believed they actually MEANT the blue pill shit they were saying and/or that was presented in the media. Reality and experience plus red and MGTOW content online disabused me of most blue notions. The main reason why I don't consider myself fully red is that I don't like how amoral and jaded most of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 04:35 PM
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Hmmm. According to this Psychology Wiki - Time Preference: There is no absolute distinction that separates "high" and "low" time preference, only comparisons with others either individually or in aggregate. Someone with a high time preference is focused substantially on his well-being in the present and the immediate future relative to the average person, while someone with low time preference places more emphasis than average on their well-being in the further future. It's the way I phrased it,…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/08/21 02:32 PM
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Wants immediate gratification and cannot invest or hold back for long-term gain.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/08/21 05:55 AM
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I do think that just being in a relationship, any relationship, is more valuable to women, and I think that this instant death of love just based on finding something out is a predominantly male thing. But given how dead this thread is that might be better as a follow-up thread of its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:20 PM
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Well, it is cheaper for them at any rate. They genuinely undergo less physical wear and tear, have lower risks of contracting STDs, don't run any risk of getting pregnant etc. It's not entirely free or has no consequences for them, but in between the physical cost and the social cost (men fucking women usually gain or retain their value in the eyes of her acquaintances, women getting fucked by men usually become less attractive to other men who know) men get away much cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 06:23 PM
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I personally think men, if they do go on dates, view them as bigger investments and their attention and effort. Plus they don't really crave attention and validation nearly as much as most women do. They're used to being half-invisible and ignored. Meanwhile yes, they will often (unless they're hopelessly romantic or low sociosexuality) fuck whatever is available, and why not? It doesn't hurt their chances with other women (and often enough improves them) unlike the other way around, and sex is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 02:52 PM
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Still with the Chadly flair :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 12:57 PM
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Yeah. Men are really a lot simpler where sex in concerned, and I remember that Flibanserin thing too, from a year ago. Not only did it have a lot of side effects it was also dramatically less effective and didn't even do anything for some women. Side note: I originally wanted to include it in the original post, but in hindsight "The Shape of you" by Ed Sheeran is another fairly good approximation of how women see sex, I think, or at least a "female friendly" representation of the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 08:15 AM
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I can see that, yeah. I've had encounters (and close misses) in the past where I felt that it was more about the situation than me, really. So...you're saying that happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 06:25 AM
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Point being that cooperative and agreeable betas, while not doing better relative to their environment, often make good environments for themselves. There's nothing wrong with being a beta if one is smart about avoiding some situations or environments, and it's a moot point for some anyway - some of us, like me, are much better suited to being betas anyway. Perfectly possible to arrange oneself with being a beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 09:17 AM
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The trick isn't establishing the Alpha/Beta dichotomy, which I think is mostly accurate. The trick is making people believe the Alpha is BETTER.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 08:22 AM
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Simply put it's a measure of how easily/frequently people establish new sexual relationships. How much effort they put into getting laid and how low their boundaries are. Some people attach a lot less meaning to sex and who they have it with. I'm not one of those people either, but they might have some situations in which these things do not matter as much to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 03:34 PM
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Because it's a common thing that comes up here, and that I actually agree with: It's mostly about not wanting to be second prize. But since it's come up there is one very common exception that often gets mentioned on the Discord (and which is where the high sociosexuality thing comes in): "But there are groups of people who just hang around each other and kinda fuck each other in various combinations of STRs and flings and whatnot, and then pair off later on in actual LTRs and marriage" And that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 07:03 PM
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The entire "paternal uncertainty" thing, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 02:36 PM
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Well, I'd agree if I didn't run into them coming on to me again after that other guy didn't work out for them (usually because he pumped and dumped them). It happened to me several times in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 02:36 PM
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while you (as one of the suitors) are around and available From the original post. That's the salient point. Getting my panties in a twist about what happened years before or even while I was nearby but either dating someone else or too busy to be an actual option is unreasonable and entitled. But if I am an option and she does not choose me then there's no now, and reasonably also no slingback years later - because any man who isn't pathetic will move on and find someone else in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 07:03 AM
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For sure - and if she stays with this other guy for a while (because she did actually choose him and chose well) that's respectable and the second choice man has been nexted by her. Problems arise if she chose badly and either wants to get rid of the new guy, or more common or even worse got pumped and dumped by the other guy and then wants to move on to the next orbiter. It's common enough that it happened to me several times, and it's the thing that my post was based on. That scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 06:47 AM
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Hmmm yeah, desperation and settling are definitely things here, but...it goes against my pride so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 06:43 AM
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Agree for the most part, any single mother worth dating should better bring a lot else to the table (and have the stepfather's back). Not impossible though, just very unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 06:21 PM
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I'd care. But then you probably still have/had options, especially for casual sex. Doesn't mean it doesn't matter at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 09:46 PM
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For the most part it's the assumption that single mothers either chose bad men and/or killed the relationships they were in - to the detriment of their children, and to the detriment of society since a lot of single mothers receive some sort of welfare or benefits. The bad decision and/or fuck up usually happened before she chose to at least take care of the kid (which is the right decision in a shitty situation, mind you a shitty situation she probably had a hand in). Any actual deadbeat dads, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 08:40 PM
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Dunno. Billy Gunn has kids and all... AFAIK this all went back to a random, improvised promo by his friend and ally wrestler Road Dog. He was "Badass Billy Gunn" before, and in that promo Road Dog went like "I want respect motherfuckers. I want you to call me Mr. Dog, not Road Dog, and you're not calling him Badass Billy Gunn, but Mr. Ass" And the fans ran with it and the rest is history, and I think fairly funny history.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 06:02 PM
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Billy Gunn theme - Ass man This is always topical and fitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 05:44 PM
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Goddammit actually_blue, why? Why?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 12:40 PM
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Early Eurodance is great, too
/r/MGTOW11/10/20 05:58 AM
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I have no doubt that they have a slew of negative qualities, particularly the lower-functioning autists. They can be cold, insensitive and are good at delivering unintended slights and insults and whatnot, but do note that out of all the qualities you listed... They're not a suspicious lot, and they are likely more sincere. It even sounds like you dated femspergs for a while, despite being a high sociosexuality normie chadlite. Kinda proves my point, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 10:18 AM
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They do, on average, which in part explains the gap in diagnoses. While it isn't strictly gendered being on the spectrum tends to exacerbate some more male weaknesses - which makes it a lot more visible. Meanwhile many men (neurotypical or not) find it just as easy or easier to deal with autistic women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 06:19 PM
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Even with the gap in diagnosis (Women on the spectrum more frequently fly under the radar/pass/are undiagnosed) there is some indication that femspergs are rarer than their male counterparts. That's one part of it. The other is that most men, even very chadly neurotypical men, often do not have problems with autistic women. In fact their tendency to be more literal and very trusting makes them good partners/prey even for very normie normies. So even if they wanted not all the autistic men could …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:39 PM
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True, the sex itself is definitely not, it's what she's paying for with that sex, usually courtship/attention from men that would be out of her reach under normal circumstances. The sex itself is not worth that much unless it's some out-of-control fantasy thing like a groupie getting with her superstar crush or some other thing she's been working herself up into a frenzy over.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 05:21 PM
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The point OP was making is that the attention and courtship, however thin - from attractive men no less- that these women are getting is what they're really after. And they're paying for it with sexual capital. Pussy is a lot more valuable than dick in casual encounters, and women who agree to this exchange on a casual basis can "cash" the difference, which isn't that different from men straight-up buxing for sex with prostitutes and escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 12:23 PM
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Alphas are better at life, but not necessarily smarter. Chad IQ is 120, not 150 (and those geniuses who slay like Einstein are an exception, not the rule). Otherwise fully agree.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/08/20 03:55 AM
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Hmmm yeah okay, I think this kind of age difference only works for beta provider relationships, and unless a man is fantastically rich or famous they probably won't be able to pull much younger women based on that. Entirely different story in countries were women can actually live in abject poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 04:41 PM
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It happens, but do note that if they do it after casually fucking like 50 or 60 women your chances of getting him to settle down are...slim. Of course it also depends on whether other parts of their life plan line up for them at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 04:37 AM
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Humans are humans, and while the social conventions might be different the SMPs around the world (except for hardcore muslim countries) have more in common than differentiates them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 04:32 AM
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Do you accept full responsibility for choosing/enjoying hookup culture? Do you acknowledge that maybe you get off the extra risks, or maybe you just aren't prepared to build a more stable monogamous relationship? Not RP but rather purple-pill man who isn't too much into hookups.....but the point is that the risks and drawbacks of casual sex accrue disproportionately on the female side of things. There are costs and risks even for men, but the risk-/reward ratio is much, much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 05:41 AM
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I think a lot of them would like to but can either not find them or not win them over. On top of that I would assume there are fewer of these women than there is demand for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:13 PM
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And then the trouble starts because a) she is getting bored and either breaking up or cheating, b) he finds out and leaves her. At least in many cases. Smart high-inhib beta-men, knowing full well what she's done, usually don't want to commit. For good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 12:06 PM
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FDS isn't part of the pill-o-sphere. It's just referenced here sometimes because people like to throw digital tomatoes at it. That's an interesting take. It's based on the pink pill essentially, so a more female-centric versions of the red pill, and is to pink what PUA is to red pill. I fail to see how this is not relevant for a sub that debates all comers in terms of gender dynamics or dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 01:57 PM
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LARPing the dark triad when you're not actually dark triad is unpleasant. Which is why people who have scruples or too much empathy are probably stuck either going with what they can get honestly (which is a lot less) or going monk. "Enjoying the decline" requires a certain mindset some people just don't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 03:52 PM
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...You could, from the hordes of men wanting to fuck you, pick out one who would actually commit to an LTR or wife you up?!? Novel concept, I know, but you literally have a shit-ton of sexual capital still unless you're spectacularly ugly or have loads of baggage. It often doesn't work out for younger women, but that's not because they don't have power in this situation, but rather because they don't have the experience, knowledge or guidance to make good use of that power. You could absolutely …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:43 AM
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Agreed that older women get more benefits out of dating in general because successful men in their 30s and 40s (not all men, just those who made good use of their time or were born with enough that it doesn't matter) can bring more to the table. Unless these women made very good use of their time though they probably bring less to the table since their (from the male view) primary asset looks and fertility is fading. She'd have to have built useful experiences, money, fame, interesting personali…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:36 AM
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Some do. Those who don't disproportionately get to fuck said young women, which is why they're a lot more visible to them. You're kinda getting off-topic here though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:24 AM
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Less jaded than her 30yo version who's also been in a bunch of abusive relationships and stripped for a while or earned money as a sugar baby. Again, the traumatized 18yo who got abused by her stepfather since 12 is a thing that exists, but she's literally in the top few % of the most jaded in her age group. Most of them aren't, and even she can go quite a way still. The assumption that most 18yo haven't gone through anywhere near the same crap as 30yo former CC-riders is not invalidated by an e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:19 AM
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Wait until you're older - innocence is not a binary thing, it's a bit of a sliding scale, and people can get a lot more jaded. And also less energetic. Of course you might be exceptional in your age cohort, but these generalizations are based on, let's say, the middle of the bell curve, the median 18yo. Who have seen less shit and have more spring in their step than the median 30yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:10 AM
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Well yeah, there is the entire angle with the kids, as you mentioned, and subconsciously most cues men have for attractiveness are based on that. So that's one. A 40yo that looks as good as a 6/10 20yo is realistically a former 8 or 9, but technically, yes, she could be that hot and a cup of tea. Which is why she definitely still has SMV, but yes, also, more aging will bring that down further. 20yo can ruin their body, yes, but if they take good care of it they have up to three decades of good l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:00 AM
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Precisely. Standard TRP is being vague, non-committal and letting them draw their own (wrong) conclusions. It's still a bit dishonest (because the smart Terper knows what their plates assume), but there's no outright lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 09:25 AM
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Personally I think that the two big emotional loads on men when dealing with women are these two: - Being extra stoic to balance out and weather mood swings and histrionics - Suppressing irritation and anger Depending on the kind of woman they're with they probably have to do more of one or the other. I think a certain amount of friction is inevitable though, given the differences in male and female nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 02:43 PM
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I would very much assume that it's just gotten more common to be in soft harems of one kind or another, and women nowadays knowingly or unknowingly rather take a shot at getting Chad than dating an average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/20 02:34 PM
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Apex fallacy. The average man hasn't gained much and lost some. That said I'm not afraid of feminism, I just think it's gone too far and is not a good idea in its current incarnation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 03:42 PM
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the fringe cut doesn't really work for most women in my opinion (even though it's very popular) but that's a matter of taste. But especially the 4th picture looks like the hair is frizzy and damaged, probably from colouring or blow-drying. Kinda hurts a bit to look at for someone who once had ass-length hair. Long hair needs care :(
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 11:25 AM
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Like you're obviously upper becky-tier pretty, but damn, you are mistreating your hair. Please do not do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 10:52 AM
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Ach bis jetzt hab ich hier noch keine anständigen Straßenschlachten gesehen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 07:54 AM
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It's mostly about women having kids with rather unsuitable men. That's the push of the argument, and while it doesn't explain all of it, it does account for some of the cases - women being surprised that risk-takers or bad boys or fuckboys don't magically and instantly grow up once they slip one by the goalie.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 07:45 AM
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Two major reasons: - You were both teens and probably didn't really know what you were doing. It might just not have been a good idea or worked anyway. Personality still changes, sometimes quickly, when people are under 25 - Current social mores do not help you find men looking to commit, and a lot of the women around you don't want to either. Men who want to commit aren't getting much action, and men who can get action don't want to commit. Interestingly enough you elevated your Exes value to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 07:43 PM
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Because they too, can become vectors, and the more coronants are out there the faster it spreads, especially since most types of self-isolation aren't bulletproof. Add in the fact that a certain percentage of them are also getting seriously sick (although only a few of them die) and use up hospital capacity, and it was a good thing to err on the side of caution initially. I'm all for relaxing the lockdowns gradually, as is done in many places, but going for a slow burn or suppression is a good i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 07:32 AM
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...you are aware that those of them who don't like in full isolation in a single household can still infect family members, co-workers or other contacts, right? It wouldn't occur to you normally, but for most people under 40 it's not an issue of getting it themselves (although it's not exactly harmless), but mostly one of who they might spread it to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 05:25 AM
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See there you go again with all the conflicting messages - Nurses/care professionals, grocery cashiers, cleaners, doctors, pharmacists...all useful and upstanding occupations. And then you go and mention lawyers. It's almost as if you want to turn me off of your case.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 05:10 AM
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I was said user, and yes, you would act the same way if you had genuine abundance or just a spine and standards (the actual conviction that being alone is better than a trash-tier relationshit). Both of these options would also be good, attractive and preferable... BUT, and that's the caveat, a misogynist will appaer more attractive to women than a simp because he also does some of these things. That was my point - it's basically the bargain-bin version of these actually desirable traits *shrug*
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 09:16 PM
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With abundance this is kind of true, casual sex is a snowball of sorts. If I man can get a few women to fuck him he has momentum that he can keep going, so his abundance becomes real. With confidence it's a bit different, because it's also used as a proxy for success, status and resources, and women who end up in relationships with these delusional men will eventually suffer cognitive dissonance from being with men who "feel" better than they actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 05:24 PM
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The general theory among many evolutionary psychologists is that taboos against high n-count women evolved on the basis of paternity anxiety. We have genetic tests now, though, so it's not as much of a taboo anymore. But the brain doesn't simply change as fast as technology does. Avoiding paternal uncertainty used to be SMART - because even if the promiscuous women had more surviving children (and I'm not sure they did), the men who fucked them on average had fewer children (because their indivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 04:24 PM
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Exactly - confidence itself is a marker that is usually strongly correlated with status or resources, which is why they want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 04:18 PM
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Because it makes you care less about women in general - men who don't have abundance tend to simp out over women, trying hard not to upset them or investing a lot into her even when he gets a lukewarm reaction. Men with abundance don't - if they find out they don't like a woman or she doesn't do what they want they can just move on to the next, and for that reason don't hesitate when asserting their will or walking away even if it upsets the woman. Men who have disdain for all women also tend to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 04:16 PM
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They're both negative traits that actually make it easier to attract women, albeit for different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 03:25 PM
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sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 01:32 PM
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I call them bargain-bin because some people just have a baseline delusional confidence, or misogyny - which are relatively cheap, so to speak, compared to the benefits they grant in the SMP. That said I agree that vetting by women is largely designed to separate these cases from the real deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 01:16 PM
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You do realize that lots of betas picking up after Chad's leftovers out of stupidity or desperation is them paying the bill for Chad? And that they might not like it? The few extra taxes Chads pay (unless they're permanent bachelors, and that's a whole other can of worms) are a pittance compared with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 12:34 PM
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...because they don't realize how much of a cuck this makes them, or because it's their only way to get a wife or kids of their own. Single mothers are definitely less attractive, even to betas, and there's a reason. Going along with something out of desperation or stupidity does not equal enthusiastic support.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 12:20 PM
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Why in the 7 holy fucks would Beta bux billy be WILLING to pay for Chad? Chad can get sex without buxxing, Billy cannot. Any amount of money Billy pays will directly impact his ability to attract a mate. It's basically genetic suicide in small increments, and no beta in his right mind would be happy about it. What makes you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 11:40 AM
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The interesting thing is that you think CHAD has been fucked over. No. Chad is the one who gets women through dominance and physical attractiveness, Billy Beta has to pay. In fact, single mothers who have the children of attractive bad boys and then make society pay are basically forcing Billy Beta to pay for Chad's genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 12:24 PM
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Because you're overlooking something VERY, VERY obvious. Men will overhaul their wardrobe, spend hundreds of dollars and re-wire the way they walk and talk for a whiff of pussy. Don't you think that women who like being in violent relationships can't condition men to smack them if it gets these men laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 06:26 AM
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High-tier Animu waifus. Probably Tohsaka Rin because she's one of the best Tsundere characters there ever was.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 07:18 PM
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The moment women have finished there usefulness as “useful idiots” feminism will be discarded and they will find themselves with no rights again. Not useful idiots really - the moment women have lost most of their sexual capital. Much like most men (me included) are dramatically less concerned with what 35+yo women want, because they've basically aged out of the bracket where I could reasonably start a family with them and lost a good chunk of their attractiveness....so do the markets. Well, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 03:19 PM
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Yes. Top tier wealthiest and most sexually attractive men basically corrupted lib-fem ideas to open women up to economic and sexual exploitation. And it works for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 07:18 AM
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Bardem is good for being masculine with being huge, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 08:46 AM
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Both are right, partially. That's what I think at any rate - you can't really treat people better than they let you treat them. Some of this even works out since compatible blue pillers meet and kinda get along - but I am still convinced that a lot of it is dysfunctional, particulary if two incompatible kinds of bloop collide. But at some point you can really only choose how to act in a situation you can't affect, especially when there is no clear right or wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 09:35 AM
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I've not yet read the entire thing, but I can already tell it's going to be a slog. Some of it is very good and insightful, and then in many other parts it's cucked and preachy. I think the analysis of some of the problems (pure adversarial mind-set, for example, or excessive alpha worship) is spot-on, but some of the stuff he reads into the work of, say, Rollo Tomassi is....interesting to say the least. It reads like the author started out with his conclusions and then went backwards through th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 11:04 AM
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Well put, and I would add the entire paternal incertainty angle. Most beta men would probably forego some of the sex they could be having for a higher chance that they're not sharing the woman they provide for.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 10:25 AM
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Thing is...it gives them what they want as long as they still have power. Men mostly want sex from women, and women are at their most desirable and powerful right before they've finally picked a guy to have sex with. It's their decision-gate, and they give up most of their power once they pass through it. What they want afterwards or in the long-term isn't entirely irrelevant, but matters a lot less. Basically, RP makes people LARP the kind of dark triad Chad that many women want in the initial …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 03:21 AM
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Blue Pillington didn't live in an era of birth control, dating apps and antibiotics that could treat syphilis ... so one has to excuse him for not foreseeing where the BP mindset would eventually lead. True. But...does that mean we need a new blue pill, or that the old blue pill is dead? Either way I believe most people who adhere to late 20th century blue pill beliefs are easy marks for some of the more ubiquitous predators around these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:29 PM
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Red pillers pretending to be something else to try and reduce competition I've seen that one, yeah, even if it's not super-common. Or more common players downplaying the consequences of sleeping with them. Or unhappy people trying to pull others down into their bucket of Crabs, because misery loves company.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:24 PM
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This doesn't even come close to describing the problem of the "friendzone", or how the Terps view it. It's not about befriending people and then expecting sex, really, but rather miscommunications and lack of courage. Men in the "friendzone"....didn't really want to be friends or just friends in the first place. Are they behaving badly if they then pressure their "friend" for sex? If they do? Yeah. But the mistake was not making their intentions clear OR walking away. Thinking that this is an ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:23 PM
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Interesting take - really. Basically doing something individually detrimental in the hope that it catches on and improves all of society. If, however, that was the plan I would assume that things actually got worse in recent decades. So if this was Sir Blue pillington's plan it didn't really work out. There is something to the idea of the blue pill being a comforting illusion. I still believe there are people out there shilling this stuff with bad intentions, but it's probably easy because many …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:12 PM
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I agree there are people who do this, I just don’t get how that ties into “blue pill is malicious”. Not the blue pill itself - the way it's used. People who don't believe in it themselves feeding others morsels of idealistic belief - that's what I call the act of "malicious bluepilling". Those who spread these blue pills believe they might actually do harm to the recipients. That's the relevant factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 01:18 PM
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There are people on here though who say "Stop overthinking" "just meet people" and "Be yourself" or things to that effect. I happen to agree with the first, and think the 2nd and the 3rd statement underestimate the actual situation and are not that that helpful. But be that as that may - these people on here often say this 100% in good faith. I also don't think it's an evil ideology (I believe a lot of them just rolled the dice and won, so to speak, and are unaware of how it would have been if i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 12:59 PM
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The most important question would then be how internally consistent their views are - quite a few of the most violent or outspoken proponents of some religious or political movements are themselves racked with doubt - and they lash out instead of looking inward. That, I think, is malicious, even if it's not entirely conscious or intentional. Or stuff like male feminists who later on turn out to be abuser or rapists, which happens with disturbing frequency. Aside from "cancel culture" and this su…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 12:28 PM
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Some of them aren't. And those who genuinely believe what they say are in the clear - I know there are a few genuine bloops on this sub, for example, and I'm not mad at them at all. But I can distinctly remember people telling my some blue pill stuff and then themselves acting differently, kinda like the super gay "pray-the-gay-away"-preacher, and that's an entirely different ball of wax.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 12:24 PM
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Just the fact that women get pregnant and men don't, or the difference in how sex and attraction work for men and women suggest strongly, to me, that they have different sexual strategies. With most of everything else individual deviation and expression trump general group trends. Still, it helps to be aware of one's priorities and one's own nature - and being told things that may feel good or are nice to hear, but goad one into following a course of action that is at odds with one's own inclina…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 11:46 AM
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But even "people are equal" has quite a few implications if thought through to the logical conclusion. Some of the more specific plue bill beliefs can be deduced from a basis or equality. Depending on the kind of equality we're talking of course. Equal worth? Equal rights? Those pretty uncontroversial - or equality of talent, challenges and opportunities etc. - that kind of equality has all kinds of implications. For what it's worth I believe in equal worth and 99% equal rights, but I am also a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 09:28 AM
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I mean the origin of blue pill is basically the non-red state. With disingenuous reds its a bad strawman that's easy to knock down, but for a lot of the more self-aware reds and red-leaning purps (like me) blue pill is a loosely held group of optimistic beliefs about dating, modelled on how we ourselves thought before we got red-pilled In my case some of the key points are: - If you are not phenominally ugly and at least somewhat friendly you will be able to find someone - casual sex and dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 07:00 AM
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Hmmm. I think this line of thinking holds some merit, especially that second point. It's certainly more pleasant to tell oneself that things are going well and one is on the right track - and then tell others in a bid to convince oneself. Maybe it's also a luxury belief thing - people want to signal they can afford to be naive and generous even if they can't really.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:44 AM
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or thats when you really start to see the results of years of bad habits in their 20s. So much this. It's also where men who have been reckless with their bodies feel the first effects of accumulated injuries. Wear and tear is a big influence on visible aging. That said...30 is not a hard cut-off, but a good ballpark, mainly because fertility starts running out in the mid to late 30s, and some women start getting baby rabies in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 10:42 PM
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From what I've seen poly people get a lot more of their needs fulfilled, but at the cost of additional drama and reduced stability. It's a decent lifestyle for people with unusual or strong needs, but it's not conducive to raising children imo. So. I'd say it's mostly for people who don't want children or whose children have reached their late teens already.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 11:43 AM
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The term you're looking for is Urologist, and they exist. Of course men see them a lot less often than women see their Ob/gyn, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 07:11 PM
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Can only speak for myself, but in my bluer days I hoped more promiscuity would eventually trickle down to me....hahaha no. It's a dumb idea imo, but some men follow it early on. I stopped doing that (and started with the moderate slut shaming) once I realized it meant mostly more sex for Chad and worse relationship prospects for most men and most women later on. My take. And we men aren't a monolithic block, you'll have conflicting opinions and mixed signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 06:28 PM
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Not directly, no, but I 100% believe that men in general, particularly the unattractive and less successful ones, contribute to society in general, and that women and many attractive men are net benefactors. Now how much this would prompt you to be nice to these men is debatable, since there is no immediate benefit, but there is a benefit there nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 03:40 PM
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Agreed. A woman who had a good amount of information or agency (relationship experience, second hand knowledge of the guy etc.) and gets pumped and dumped against her wishes is mostly a loser, especially if she ran mostly on wishful thinking or failed manipulative intent. If she's inexperienced, plain intellectually outmatched or has some kind of psychological issue it's more of a victim situation, especially if the guy is delibaretely misleading or deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 02:29 PM
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Stop doing that if they prove they don't, but make a small offering initially. I don't know the exact English term, but it's called something like "an advance in faith". Just don't offer anything based on that alone that you can't afford to lose. A few bucks or a few minutes of your time won't kill you, and if it's more than that it's entirely understandable to hold back.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 01:45 PM
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Add in the fact that NarniaFox is from russia iirc. I think there are countries, or even poorer areas, where life is a lot more dangerous for everyone involved, and I have no doubt that in a space where no one is truly safe everyone gets exploited. With women it happens to mostly be sexual abuse of some sorts, especially since they make easy targets. So it's not that weird. But it's a good indication that in broken societies women lose the safety they want and should have. And people not giving …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 01:31 PM
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Being safe and wanting to be treated like a human being is different than Bob being an inept social retard that can’t get any sex On what level exactly? That's kind of like economic liberals thinking security and property rights are more fundamental and basic rights than the right not to starve. Your safety depends on dangerous people guaranteeing it for you - they should have something in return. And no, it doesn't mean you should fuck every guy who wants you, but be aware that you have some ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 01:28 PM
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This should be higher up, because it's the condensed, 2-sentence relevant point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 01:24 PM
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oh so they don't actually care, they only see it as an exchange for something, thank you. And what exactly is the problem there? Most social interaction is transactional. It's not a zero sum game and friendly and well-adapted people make sure both sides come out ahead, but generally speaking there's always some mutual benefit or exchange going on. Abstract exchange (where the benefits can be vague or temporally separated) is better than straight barter, and that's what we're talking about here. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 01:22 PM
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Someone has to start with the caring then. Just limit it to the amount of fucks you can give even if you get nothing back.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 01:20 PM
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Only if he's a creepy prude who isn't okay with a girl being herself. In which case that guy is fine to walk away from forever. Is super forward and borderline promiscuous her true self? If so then yeah, probably a mismatch. But if that's not her actual, true self (and if it was she probably wouldn't be asking the question in the OP), I'd hold back a little. There's little to gain with this approach that a more subtle one wouldn't also do, and better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:39 PM
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Oddly enough, also between dancing and martial arts. Movement though space, look at your watch, on and on. I'm way into swing dancing these days. It worked in a different direction for me, in that I stopped being a shitty dancer after I've been in martial arts for a while, but again, agreed. I assume lifting also improves dancing, but I can't verify.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:37 PM
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I don't know about Judo, but you can probably do it if you're not too fucked up. You could in Karate or Taekwondo. Either way there's a lot of synergy between the iron church and the martial arts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:11 PM
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Kinda might turn the guy off from making it a recurring or regular thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:33 PM
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> then I got much better at martial arts, after getting under my barbell. People underestimate just how much easier learning martial arts is with a well-trained body and good feel and control over said body. And lots of trainers focus on fancy drills and advanced Kata over just making the people do calisthenics and stretches, even though that might actually be a lot more useful initially. So yeah, 100% agree with combining martial arts with strength training + flexibility training.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 06:24 PM
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Before the advent of DNA testing it was not an exact science, sure, and often futile. But there were cases where investigation would have been able to prove something. DNA testing just made things so much more effective, but if older laws don't have mechanism in place to contest paternity at all that was still at the very least lazyness and handwaving, and after the advent of DNA testing borders on negligence and contempt for father's and men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:08 PM
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Proove - well, not entirely, but there were some methods back then, among them: - testing blood type for plausible paternity - Establishing a potential timeframe for conception And some others. DNA made it a lot easier, but it wasn't entirely impossible before then, especially in more egregious cases (in which the adultering mother wasn't smart about it)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 10:49 AM
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I mean sure, but literally everyone has baggage and life experience is a good thing. Who wants to date someone who has been perfect their entire lives? That sounds boring as hell. Perfect is a bit of hyperbole, but yeah, that doesn't sound so bad to me. Men like innocence, it is what it is, and I like dating women who don't still have some counterproductive shit to unlearn (like very counterproductive ways of dealing with conflict in relationships or weird fetishes they have been groomed into. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 02:48 PM
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A lot of this comes down to dating too young, as you said, before people have grown into themselves or attained sufficient stability in their lives, but that doesn't mean that this doesn't have a cost or leave baggage, much like, say, choosing the wrong major or career path at 18. It's not the end of the world, no, but I think it's disingenuous to pretend there's no cost there and a disservice to young people too. Hell I wish people had taught teenage me to take dating and other people more seri…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 02:38 PM
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I mean yeah, Trump was spectacularly corrupt and inept, worse than many already expected, but I doubt that was the entire motivation right there. Although the 2016 elections were a shitshow anyway after the DNC rigged the primaries. 2020 might not be much better... I personally think Stormy Daniels might have wanted to retaliate and/or stop Trump, but I also believe that milking the notoriety was another of her motivations. Just too much money to pass up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 02:36 PM
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But being serial monogamists and not figuring out how dysfunctional the relationships they were in until they hit double digits is definitely an unattractive trait. It means they're either very unreflected and resistant to learning or had to sort out some pretty massive baggage - and acquired a whole load of different baggage in the process. I had an ex like that, and saw firsthand how much of a bad prospect that made her. Truth be told I feel pity for her more than anything else (she cheated on…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 11:11 AM
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one or two casual encounters That's the relevant part really. Is casual sex rare enough to be an actual exception, or something you tried and gave up immediately? In that case it doesn't really define you. Much different if it was a consistent pattern for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 10:34 AM
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I mean it's that, or blackmail, or maybe regret - or maybe a bit of column A and column B. She did have a brief career resurgence afterwards though, so it definitely gave her some sort of fame and notoriety at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:34 AM
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Stormy Daniels.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:54 AM
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Just the sheer feeling of power and performance that a well-maintained body gives me is already a good incentive for me at least...although I would totally get being more "selfish" with food and probably no longer shaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 03:29 PM
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Yeah that's some pretty fucked up shit. Art...but then, consider feminist performance art as well. I think I'll be fine with my commercial entertainment over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:14 AM
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I didn't say those men were 'evil' or even something that alluded to that, stop changing my narrative. Why mention the friendzone and frequent rejection then? Those are basically chiffre for "non-specifically unattractive". Not evil, maybe, but it's a very non-specific, almost moral judgement (especially given the amount of shit unattractive men usually get around here). And of course making someone wait is a means of eliminating unsuitable suitors, as well as building up and investing with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:47 PM
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The dudes who are used to be friend zoned, rejected and thirst just can't get into this frame of reference. ...sounds a lot like you SELL the idea to yourself by attributing generally unattractive characterists to them. Kind of like an anti-halo effect - just as attractive people's intentions and character are usually judged more favourably, this phrase makes it sound like all bad people are by default unattractive/that the guys you don't want MUST be unattrative which is why they are bad people…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:17 PM
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Thing is, making the guy wait/having a talk about relationship status and whatnot does not primarily select for "value". From the male perspective it would usually stop men who: Very chadly men who can get sex easier elsewhere, although those might stick around if you don't require monogamy during that wait period (although that halfway defeats the purpose) generally have poor impulse control/are impatient (both chad-lites and low value betas, but why would you even bother with the latter past t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:07 PM
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The dudes who are used to be friend zoned, rejected and thirst just can't get into this frame of reference. I'd rather think those ARE some of the guys you can get on board with this. More or less the only ones you consistently weed out are low-impulse-control chad-lites, and those who have been around too many of these and/or low betas with bad impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:28 PM
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Beyond a certain point, yes. But even before then it is very tiring to converse with someone who just cannot follow. So one is left with the choice between "putting on the brake" constantly OR basically aggravating her to the point that conversation breaks down. I'm not talking topics, by the way, just genuine cognitive speed. So yeah. It definitely is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 04:01 PM
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A 404ed link, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 01:34 PM
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Even former sluts may have a genuine change of heart and actually begin to reject casual sex and look for a LTR, but the problem is that guys have no way to determine if she values him or just settled. Men will measure it by the quantity and quality of the sex they are having compared to her previous partners, but it's not always accurate. Oh I agree, but then those former sluts should do some hard work on themselves and go through some introspection. I kinda like the idea of these women going c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 01:26 PM
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I for one don't, provided the woman who picks me mostly for my provider traits has no or at most a very limited history of casual/NSA sex. In that case it's a consistent standard and her ending up with me is the result of a positive value judgement. Me having to commit and pay when countless others haven't, on the other hand, is kinda insulting - because that woman historically made concessions in her dating strategy, to other men, who she clearly values more than me. I'm not even saying I and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 10:53 AM
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She probably does (or maybe has 20-30 pounds on a 120 pound basic frame, which is similar proportionately) , at least in the US (in my country she has 15 pounds of flab + possibly rather masculine facial features). I thought you wanted to make a different point, that being that the average man or rather 200 pounds/90ish Kilos at roughly 5'9"/175cm was a decent shape, which it really isn't. I totally get that this kind of shape does not get women hot and bothered. Although you would be correct to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 10:40 AM
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I don't think he means a somewhat in-shape powerlifter physique. He means a 5'9 guy with a little muscle and 30-40 pounds of flab. And while that isn't horrible, it's not exactly hot stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 08:28 AM
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Sign me up as well, that one seems interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 08:18 AM
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- Seriously fat, not just a bit chubby. I can't maintain physical attraction, and since I'm not fat by any measure I also have a different lifestyle - Dumb. I can't deal with that long-term - Poly-/swinger/whathaveyou. I'm monogamous, those other lifestyles are not my cup of tea - severe and/or uncurable STDs - I'm second choice to her at best. If, at any point during dating or courtship she fucks another guy it's pretty much done for a serious relationship, because her actions made it clear tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 08:12 AM
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Yeah the countdown-thing being a good way to keep attention makes sense to me. But yeah... WK14 had a lot of great matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 08:38 PM
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Working class people also can't post all day like UMC people can from their desk Holy shit ain't that the truth. Which makes people who are either unemployed or have desk jobs a lot more visible online.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 07:58 PM
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Get NJPWworld and show him Wrestle Kingdom instead :D
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 07:46 PM
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I think there are a lot of people with no/grey tags who are essentially BPers, and some who are essentially red, just like there are quite a few people with purple tags who lean strongly in either direction (more red-leaning purps though, me being one of them). This complicates the entire discussion a little in my opinion, but I think u/TheJim66 had a somewhat flippant but mostly accurate take on many blue pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 07:45 PM
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Because apparently some people in Murrica are developing Stockholm syndrome and worshipping useless overpaid parasites like laywers and finance guys and have a disdain for genuine blue-collar work *shrug* But in general I (caveat: am man, basing it on reactions I've seen) feel competence is attractive, no matter what kind of activity people engage in. Some things are more attractive than others, but a man who does something and seems competent/capable is more attractive than the same man would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 12:45 PM
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It's more attractive in a damn that guy's good at what he does. How is he so good at that? Not damn that guy's good at what he does, I wanna fuck him Competence means confidence and higher status in certain situations, which is attractive, doubly so if the activity in question signals some sort of usually masculine quality. Being really good at sportsball is more attractive than just having an athlete's body, and a strongfat guy who can use this body to, say, do work as a mechanic is more attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 12:40 PM
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I remember just seeing the trailer to the "Serenity"-movie, and I was like "Ah fuck no" So yeah. Weight/strength difference are too often glossed over with barely an explanation. No amount of Kung-fu will help a 100 pound woman against multiple 200 pound men who even halfway know what they're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 06:29 AM
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nod - so the risk of the cancer re-emerging is deemed higher than the chance of secondary cancer from radiation damage - thus cook the entire region to make sure. Makes sense. It's not really pleasant, but it makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:32 AM
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Those are usually targeted. Well, in the sense that a shotgun is targeted, but it's more accurate than a hand grenade. In most cases the radiation is used to cook tumours that are hard to get at through chemo or overfunctioning thyroids. Dunno what your cases is though. But yeah, they basically kill the tissue by targeted irradation (which also kills and damages a bunch of nearby tissue and MAY cause secondary cancer, but it is what it is).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:08 AM
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Not really true. A lot of agriculture involved the women in the household, at least during crunch times (such as planting and harvest), and a lot of the stuff that's only left over as a vestige and a pasttime, such a mending clothes and other handicrafts, was once upon a time hard and necessary work. Women staying home and working a lot less is a product of industrialization. The one really new development is not women working, but women doing the majority of their work outside the home.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 04:29 AM
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But Malmö is such a great place to live these days...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 06:39 PM
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If that were true then somewhere out there we'd have a matriarchal country or at the very least one that not only IS feminist now (after beign patriarchal for centuries), but started out egalitarian or feminist or whatever. Patriarchal societies with a higher degree of sexual and economic equality (particularly equality of opportunity over equality of outcome) generally outcompete other societies, be they matriarchal societies or shit-tier patriarchies with harems and rich kings in ghetto shitho…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 06:37 PM
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Or a woman who goes from sweet and people pleasing to angry and dominant like a tsundere type. I think that's not really what a Tsundere type is about, rather being angry and stand-offish, potentially domineering is their default state and being nice and pleasant is the "hidden" second mode. Tsundere are more like a man that gives you shit until you've proven yourself and then switches gears. Suffice it to say they are a fantasy for the most part. A lovely fantasy, but not really something you m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 06:29 PM
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I'm kinda amazed she got into this relationship in the first place though, he seems to have massive disregard for both her boundaries and her best interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 11:40 AM
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Why exactly wouldn't I? At the very least she's not disqualified based on her looks. Of course all the other stuff like mismatched personalities, distance/impracticality or her being very dumb etc. could still shut things down, but looks-wise she's in the clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:57 AM
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I don't see any cankles, although her knees are tilted slightly inwards and she probably has anterior pelvic tilt. Her posture needs work, if only to avoid orthopedic problems later in life. That said....that's a pretty high-tier Becky/Stacy-lite already. In my opinion at least. Not a good example of what a more normal Becky looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 04:56 AM
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I sure hope you don't mean he has a fondness for mediocre beer though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 04:49 AM
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Not having noodle arms probably is - lookswise at least
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 03:32 AM
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In other words 6-7/10 Becky, would probably date if she was nice
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 03:30 AM
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It's a somewhat hardline and cynical stance, but I can't say it's entirely unwarranted, especially if you prioritize keeping yourself safe
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:43 PM
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He's a right-wing populist (who had the same advisors as Trump or Viktor Orban) who wants more Apartheid and annexation of territory (both inside Israel, like on the west bank or the Arab part of Jerusalem AND outside Israel by annexing the Golan heights), and also has little compunction bombarding the shit out of various targets on foreign soil without a declaration of war. That's pretty nasty. Not Adolf levels of nasty, but he's pretty bad (even if some of his allies in the Knesset are worse t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:41 PM
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I think Netanyahu is currently busy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 01:00 PM
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I agree with the OP in that a) The physique isn't bad. Nothing amazing, but not bad b) It already provides a slight benefit in interactions both inside and outside of dating So yeah, it's worthwhile to get in decent-ish shape like that guy. Attainable and beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 12:47 PM
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Oh absolutely. Human civilization, such as it is, presents a really novel situation evolutionarily. Equality even to the extent that we have now is pretty unnatural. Question is whether this pathway called civilization is an evolutionary dead end or the next step forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:48 AM
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No. MGTOW aren't a homogenous group, and they all have different goals. One thing they all don't do, at least by any reasonable definition, is marry or commit to some sort of LTR that gives them legal obligations. Quite a few of them have casual relationships or do low-effort pump&dump stuff, particularly if they have decent SMV and/or low empathy. If one is not dealing with one of the minority of women who actually want casual sex, the majority want a relationship eventually, and it takes eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:46 AM
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Possibly. Usually severe inequality hampers the growth and success of societies though, since that smaller group will gradually lose either the presence or the effort of the sexless men, and they'll either drift away, rebel (and fail) or just stop trying. I think massive inequality was the reason the british empire died, and growing inequality is the reason why the US are going down the shitter at the moment. More equal groups eventually outperform tribal harems and conquer them, which is why th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:04 AM
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If you want a fuck buddy, go ahead, but that's not many (if not most) girl's intentions. We're trying to find love. Not be on some guy's "I smashed that" list. I know. If reciprocity is not on the table - meaning my only options is a relationship where I'm betabuxxing for a female who barely tolerates me because I bring an excess of other qualities into the bargain - then I'd rather be single/MGTOW. ​ Open AF/BB-ing is a failure of delayed gratification. You mean going from ONS to relationships?…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:37 AM
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I would like to be relationship guy, but it seems to be a sucker bet these days. Which is why I'm mostly, albeit not entirely, MGTOW. I suspect this is the answer a lot of honest MGTOW would give you these days. And then there's also the group among them who either put in a lot of work into becoming or LARP the sex guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:30 AM
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I think societies that practice them are red but arranging marriages is almost like an archaic blue pill practice that prevents the strongest and most powerful men in a society from being the only ones with access to women like it would be in a complete, no holds barred, free for all culture Don't forget that, in a no-holds barred culture, the more formidable men who barely didn't make the cut might shiv the "alpha/pasha"-guy. Kinda like how most economic liberals gloss over the fact that a trul…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:24 AM
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She wants a ltr with the beta and ons with the alpha. Duh. If all I want is raw passionate fucking, why would I want a guy like Dani Devito? Would a guy pay for Lena Dunham's nudes vs Would a guy pay for Kate Upton's nudes? Precisely the point. Why would I go for a woman who doesn't even WANT to fuck me in the first place? The only reason would be desperation, and men stop being so thirsty and desperate some time during their mid-20s to mid-30s ​ The average guy has to pay full price for somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:19 AM
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Excepting some phenomena like "service tops" (who are being pressured to playact out a masochistic partner's fantasy - and arguably this does apply to a lot of BDSM sex workers like dominatrixes) the sadistic partner is also dominant and the masochist submissive. It's just that these are grotesque exaggerations of those roles that go far beyond the boundaries of normal sexual interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:47 AM
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Now I'm not saying all heavy S&M people have issues...buuttt...I don't really think that they're making the healthiest decisions. Pretty much this. Quite a few of them poke either at their trauma or their low self-worth during their "play". It's not really a healthy response imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:44 AM
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Add in the fact that there is a fringe of hardcore masochists who think it's more "real" and more stimulating if it's not play but just a straight expression of the dom's sadistic nature...some people go terribly close to the edge for their sexual pleasure at the deeper end of that scene. Bad things happen to some of those people... I mean it's mainly a question of stakes - the closer someone gets/the more boundaries are passed, the higher the stakes. Letting someone approach makes for maybe an …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 05:24 AM
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True, to some extent, but the stakes generally increase if people actually physically rough each other up, or worse poke around in each other's mental trauma for sexual gratification. Plus the sub-faction of BDSMers pushing the envelope on consent with rapeplay, consensual non-consent etc. - actually pushing the rape fetish. I'm not really for criminalizing any of it, to be fair, but it rubs me the wrong way and I certainly don't want it glorified or in the mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 02:13 PM
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They do heavy, transgressive shit (like caning, sticking people with needles, beating them to the point of serious bruising) or use psychological violence which would under normal circumstances be classified as some sort of crime. Which is also sexualized. In any context outside of extreme but consensual sexual practices these sadists would basically commit crimes. Sexualized crimes, at that - hence Schroedinger's rapist, whose status depends entirely on how the submissive interprets their actio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 01:58 PM
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There was a bit of an attempt really, with the entire 50 shades of AIDS thing and the entire "Dom" thing. It's also often conflated with "normal" sexual dominance imo - just like masochism is a more extreme form of normal sexual submissiveness. To be fair it is a matter of degree - and hard to draw a firm line - but I think most stuff inflicting serious bodily harm or intentional serious humiliation is over the line for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 01:56 PM
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If its that hard for you to not be a creepy harrasser then yes, please leave women alone. Do note that with the fact that there is such a thing as the "halo effect" (attractive people's intentions being judged more positively) and also Chad's attentions, when welcome, not being negatively judged even when they are a little transgressive you're essentially saying "So yeah, if you're not attractive crawl into your corner and sit down. Even trying is only for attractive people" Which lines up with …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 01:43 PM
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It is, but like many other things there are myriads of small tells on multiple layers. Word choice, context - it's like having to crunch numbers and calculate on a thing others pick up intuitively, but one can get VERY good at crunching those numbers. Younger autists are very literal though. They actively have to learn things like irony and sarcasm. And linguistic intelligence is also about word choice, connotations of those words and how to string them together - basically cramming more nuance …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 02:06 AM
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It is interesting how high IQ puts you into risk of being low emotional and linguistic intelligence. Kinda like when making an RPG character with limited attribute points. If you think high-functioning autists have low linguistic intelligence you are VERY far off the mark. The entire emotional thing...eh, kinda. I mean a certain part of emotional communication doesn't work at all, so there's that, but cognitive empathy and verbal expression are usually overdeveloped to compensate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 06:33 PM
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I mean it's not a 100% thing, but yeah, it's turned me off from one woman before. I was ambiguous about her already, and her looking to fuck on the first date (which I actually didn't go for) kinda sealed the deal in the other direction, precisely for the reason most people mention: If she's doing that with me she's done it before and will do it again with other guys. Which means I'd be foolish to expect her to be good at keeping her legs closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 06:04 PM
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You know, I don't agree with you a lot, but yeah, the inconsistency is kind of...I honestly don't know how people can hold this much cognitive dissonance with a straight face.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 09:39 AM
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That's called a good diet. +potentially being slim with trained stomach muscles for better peristaltics/bowel movements. But yeah, mostly enough fibre and good hydration I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 10:06 AM
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What do you make of the relationship/sexual opportunities of non-hot asshole guys vs. non-hot kind guys though? With all the focus on the advantages and opportunities to draw in and manipulate people that the dark triad brings, there there have been some that argued that, for example, the "bad boy biker" type doesn't even need to be physically handsome, ripped, tall, etc. and that he has success simply because he's an asshole, a narcissist, tough, dominates other men, etc. Simply put, how does 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 08:11 AM
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And yeah, there are Chads who use and abuse women, but there are non-Chadly men who successfully do that, too. I don't buy the incel theory that "all unattractive guys are good while Chads are bad people", lol. Oh yeah, there are good and bad people at either end of the curve. Quite a few incels are the kind of guys women SHOULD be avoiding, and there are some hard-charger, successful good guy alpha bucks Chads. But the abusive good-for-nothing Chads? They still get into relationships, at much h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 08:13 AM
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An unattractive man can, and should do that, and the fact that he can't get partners easily doesn't change that - being single is vastly superior to being in a bad relationship or getting divorce raped. I thought that's one of TRP's key lessons, along with the importance of learning abundance mentality. It's still a big deal when Chad makes a bad choice in a partner because he can get divorce raped, get his heart broken, lose 5 years of his life, etc. We are also not talking about FWB relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:31 AM
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Women with high-N are more likely to be bad relationship prospects, either because of a pre-existing condition (that also made them run up their N-count) or because their extensive and sordid relationship history had a negative effect on their ability to form stable relationships. A lot of this can be found out via extensive vetting - and this is easier for Chad. Mainly because Chad has almost no scarcity mentality - he will have no qualms downgrading a woman or cutting her loose because he can …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 12:01 PM
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I think women were re-made to be more monogamous tbh and are reverting to their natural state (hypergamy above all, so either monkey-branching in serial monogamy OR being part of a Chad's harem over shacking up with a mediocre or low-value man). But then, men in their natural state would often resort to toppling (possibly fatally) the alpha, scrounging for his scraps OR rape, and none of these behaviours are particularly pleasant either (or to quote the great Terrence Popp "We're just evil hairl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 09:42 AM
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There are conspiracy theories that HIV is either not the primary agent of infection, with the "real" cause being speculated either as environmental poisoning, malnutrition or intentional poisoning with some agent, and/or theories that it was engineered in a lab and either a) escaped, b) was used to target certain demographics to cull them or c) released to create patients one can then sell expensive drugs to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 09:33 AM
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But if we go up to the parent comment that started this chain it's clear that the communes are an answer to single motherhood (and thus don't include a lot of men) - and covens implies an all-female group. Males (except for the "stud"/"chad") are either outside in these groups or subservient - and in fact there are attempts to socially engineer cuck orbiters who provide for these communes without expecting more than scraps - but do you really think the majority of men can be remade this way? Thu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 09:30 AM
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It's something autistic people would also perform extremely well at with their precise and exact correct usage of words in their well-constructed sentences. But it's not something you would consider 'witty' or charming at all. Can confirm, it's a very common compensation mechanism among high-functioning autists, but just like an autist might not notice obvious non-verbal cues neurotypical people without exceptional verbal intelligence might just not "parse" even a great display of verbal intelli…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 09:07 AM
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Not quite - much like Atlas claimed, sexual success peaks between 110 and 120, drops off above that and drops dramatically below 90. So very intelligent people fare badly, and mentally disabled people fare even worse. Being "smart" at that level gives an advantage (especially to women's beloved Dark triad Chad) without making the person non-relatable or awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 09:03 AM
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Mainly because IQ 130+ people make up less than 2% of the population. It would be entirely impossible to fill up the student roster of all high-tier colleges/universities from that cohort even if they all went there (and none went to labour jobs/the military/prison/the loonie bin). So yeah, they'd probably slew towards higher intelligence, but as you say, that's more like a 115 Average as opposed to the barely over 100 in senior high school (which is still already an entire level ahead of the no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 08:59 AM
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It would seem that he sarcastically and cynically thought the point he made (and you agreed with) to its logical conclusion. If groups of women clustered around highly desirable males in ratios like 5:1 to be one huge polygynous family...what do you do about the 80% men who don't get any? You'd have to kill or enslave them because they don't put up with them not having a seat at the table forever. It's pretty grim stuff, like many utopias who turn into dystopia when thought to their logical conc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 08:52 AM
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Low self-esteem, higher chance of early sexual activity, promiscuity, teen-pregnancy and risky sexual practice. Not all of them, but a lot of them crave male validation and attention, but do not really know how to deal with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 08:38 AM
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Oh yeah, good times, interesting discussions, amazing people... Also some delusional nitwits whose logorrhea gives me ebolastic asscancer, but whaddaya gonna do?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 09:50 AM
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Hard to say, probably actually graduating from Uni as an engineer. EDIT: That is to say I have a list of small and mediocre accomplishments, but no really big stuff. It's part of my goal for the next few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 04:17 AM
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AMA
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 11:53 PM
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Let me explain my stance on the entire matter - because while I am not exactly what you describe, my views are probably still something you would disagree with. So...here goes. I would have sex with a woman on the first date if she was clearly going for it - and then, while not actively giving her shit for it, I would rule this woman out for any serious relationship. So I judge, but keep the judgement to myself. The reasoning is mildly complicated. Let me start off by saying that just about the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 08:03 AM
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...which is why he wrote that. OP was basically raising the point that TRP is bad for society and should be avoided, whereas NockerJoe was basically saying "It's too late anyway, society is already fucked. Might as well look after myself (by using RP strategies)" Seems pretty consistent to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 07:09 AM
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Enjoy the decline, in other words. Which means accepting the decline and becoming part of it. Although I guess no single individual can stem the tide of society turning into a shitfest of law and business majors, FDS and PUA people trying to fuck each other and everyone else over. Sad state of affairs but maybe inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 07:08 AM
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Those guys are the actual backbone of society. It's just that they're being hunted to extinction as we speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 09:47 PM
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I think this would mostly work, yeah - really work the divide between "taken" and "single", but make sure the guys know. I wouldn't say flirt with everyone (because it might come across as cheap), but cultivate multiple options (in good faith - no fake flirting). If men trust your ability to stay committed but know they have to get their asses in gear the chances of them making a move towards a committed relationship increase. It might burn a few bridges, but it definitely gets you there faster.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 09:50 AM
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Even if there was no property inequality (which I somehow doubt) it would be...naive to assume there wasn't fierce social and sexual competition, a whole different kind of inequality. Nature is unequal and merciless, and so are humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 08:25 AM
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You're not getting the rapists though, not even going after them really. Well, the original movement of working class black women, yes, but once bored middle and upperclass white women got their hands on it they misappropriated it to character assasinate people in their way and/or to take down unattractive beta bux (like Harvey Weinstein). Besides, high profile takedowns while still letting these people smash&impregnate on the down low...is not really taking them out. Both men and women have rem…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 07:00 AM
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This would be fine and dandy if women actually selected for good and useful traits. They do, partially, but overall the influence of female sexual choice is more dysgenic (as is pure male choice, take a look at Saudi Arabia). A society of Chadspawn would lose the ability to maintain technology and cooperative society within a few generations and go back to the trees.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 02:50 AM
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Was about to say that. It's the one demographic most protected from legal consequences or fallout in general, of course they'd view delinquency as less of a problem, because for them it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/19 02:01 PM
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I've figured out quite a bit of it as well. It took me into my late 20s when it shouldn't have though, and part of it was the gaslighting. As for men lying: Yes, it happens, but less often, and men who routinely lie (except for expected little white lies to make themselves look better and/or avoid hurting people's feeling too much) are usually not that popular with other men, while men greatly respect (not necessarily initially, but in the long run) the straight shooters, and the most effective …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 06:08 PM
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Just about everyone should care - not necessarily to the point of actually fucking the dudes, but these beta males and sperglords keep the lights on. It's one of the major differences between Eastern Asia, Europe and the better parts of Murrica on the one hand, and dysfunctional 3rd world countries. Effective cooperation relies on these very literal, very trusting and straightforward male behaviours. Besides, there's fewer Chads than women who want them - so less attractive women need the betas …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 10:47 AM
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high-trust social groups are very effective and prosperous. If we all acted like Dark triad chads we'd be the kings of the dating market and riding high...in Somalia. Thanks, but no thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 10:38 AM
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This might come as a surprise to you, but men, and autistic men even moreso, are both very literal, and very trusting. "Watch what they do, disregard what they say" is second nature to women. It's not to a lot of men - them being very consistent with both words and actions is the basis of very effective and cohesive groups of beta males, too. Something that makes men more effective at work or even in fights isn't fucking dumb, even if it makes them very vulnerable to this kind of misunderstandin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 10:34 AM
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Quality post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 10:21 AM
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Hmmm. Depends on the individual, I'd say, and quite a few of them are also pretty messed up in the head and delusional - they might THINK of themselves as Unicorn hunters or men with the best intentions, in fact however just pull women into their vortex of dysfunction. I've known two Chads/chad-lites like that. None of their relationships ever lasted, and I'd think that it had at least as much to do with them as with their numerous female partners. In fact I think they might have alpha-widowed a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 08:12 AM
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stockings/thigh highs I think that stuff actually works best when she's still mostly dressed though, with the entire "Zettai Ryouiki" thing. Kinda working more on what it doesn't show than what it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 11:17 PM
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Problem I have with this kind of attitude is that IF the dating process is long (like more than a month long) it's already a semi-serious thing. Basically additional steps in the relationship ladder before the sex - and it represents a serious commitment of time, mental energy and likely money. It's just not fair to do that to multiple people in parallel knowing full well that only one can really "make it". So those steps in the relationship ladder? Done in bad faith, more or less, or without an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 01:03 PM
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100% agreement here. I'd even add that having multiple non-sexual dating partners past the first 2-3 dates (long enough to figure out major red flags/incompatibility) is also crummy behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 10:32 AM
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I'm a guy, just pointing out that casual sex is usually a lot more rewarding to men than to women. I would know - sex in relationships improved for both me and my exes, but my baseline was usually higher. That's the baseline said fuckzoned woman would be working with. And yeah, being alone and jacking off definitely beats shit relationships or being used as a cumdumpster in a non-reciprocal relationshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 10:29 AM
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I wouldn't even enter a specific number - rather the fact that sex is off the table would instead up my requirements of reciprocity. If she's not fucking me she'd better not expect me to be her clown or to persistently make all the plans and pursue her while she's super-passive or even flaky. If there's no sex she'd better show what she brings to the table aside from sex once we're past the first 2 dates. And then I might hang around for maybe 10 dates at the most. She has a much better chance i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 09:49 AM
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Not the best attitude to have. Although I completely agree that he shouldn't have a woman on the side to fuck. That is so mean and disgusting. The fact some men actually expect a woman to stand for that kind of behaviour. Idk how they expect to get a high value woman, if they fuck chicks on the side while dating. Like.. wow... The bad thing is that there are women on FDS who recommend the exact same or at least recommend having several men in the waiting zone so she isn't "risking" those waiting…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 09:43 AM
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I actually disagree - in a vacuum you would be correct, but: a) Women's sexual satisfaction is nowhere near as reliable as men`s (who orgasm roughly 9/10 times), and actually gets better in relationships of some sort (both because of the larger mental component of arousal in women and because women have more idiosyncrasies/different triggers during sex). Chances are that a random pump&dump isn't that amazing unless the guy is super-hot and/or plays a part in some seduction fantasy/mental script …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 09:36 AM
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Pretty much that. Mid-80s to early 2000s were the golden age in western europe as well - so if I'd been born around 1970 instead of late 80s that would have been nice. Nearly all the wealth and technology and before the beginning social breakdown and slow death of economic upwards mobility. Modern times aren't so bad overall, we're still only 1 decade and a few good decisions away from having a really cool world to live in, but people insist on fucking things up, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 07:56 PM
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It's something of a class issue as well, at least in Germany - the poorer and, more importantly, worse-educated the people are the fatter they are on average. Although I can confirm that pudgy or outright fat adult men outnumber the normal or thin ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 12:07 PM
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I mean even RP eventually alludes to some differences, for example the fact that eventually there will be comfort tests as well as shit tests. Or consider the fact that most PUA coaches who eventually tried settling down (or people like the infamous Tucker Max) crashed and burned in their LTRs, and that didn't take them too long. But yeah, the normal guy can only learn and improve in relationships by actually getting into them, and RP helps with that - especially since old-fashioned courtship is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:15 PM
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War time is also when most men are stuck in ditches or back-breaking labour and ain't getting shit. It's like assuming that, during a zombie apocalypse, one would be the guy taking pot shots with a sniper rifle and not the zombie getting shot at. That said, the "order" of men in the social matrix would shift dramatically during a war or serious economic crisis, and it's quite likely that the social and business people who rule now will find themselves hard pressed. High-confidence? Yes. Socialy …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 04:14 AM
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Pretty much what everyone already said - it's focussed on the first 2 steps of relationships (initial attraction/picking up and escalating to a sexual relationship), and yeah, there's more to getting to a LTR - so focussing on the first two steps doesn't really solve all problems, and some TERPers adapt strategies that help initially but hold them back later on... But for a lot of unsuccessful men getting into relationships in the first place that they then can fail in (and learn from those fail…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:34 AM
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I mean you're mostly right, it's the entire "internal locus of control" and "focus on self-improvement/the things you can affect positively in your life" And that's all fine and dandy. But would you believe even for a second you could have the kind of social, sexual or economic success you have in a more dangerous, less prosperous world? You are one of the high-confidence, social manipulative men out there - in gaming terms you're in the meta right now. Because stoic and introverted, but industr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:29 AM
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It's also partially an ego thing - women set up boundaries for all men and break them for those they are attracted to. If someone I am interested in fucks another low-value dude (while keeping me at a distance) I'll be slightly miffed - that said, if she does that and is happy with that other dude and then keeps her distance from me then I'm fine. But her "slumming it" with a low-value man and then coming back on to higher value ones is offensive as hell to those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:03 AM
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Meanwhile you want the beta bux men and their resources to fund the welfare state that allows you to chad around because the women you deal with are taken care of no matter what. There is no such thing as a free and fair market here and no reason to demonize people pushing their own advantage within reasonable limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 03:33 PM
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Can second this as a dude in his 30s...it really used to bother me, being single, but I got used to it eventually and found a lot of enjoyable and productive use for my time. It's nice and all, with the right partner, but being single is perfectly fine. But then I guess it's age-dependent for both genders: It's worse for young men and older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/19 09:06 AM
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Partially agree about the repressed and frustrated ones being dangerous - because they're much closer to the boiling point and might very well take out their shit on their girlfriends/wives/children because they're around and can't really fight back in most cases - those kinds of people are pretty dangerous. Also terminally unattractive, but I'd believe you if you said this was a problem particularly for working class women. The danger then doesn't stem from these men being good at emotional or …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 09:29 AM
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Then we're back at square one. You can get away from psych warfare. You can't get away from a bullet or stab wound. Men also engage in psych warfare, trying to control and coerce and gaslight their partners. That stuff is probably even, though in the recent past, more men did it because they controlled the money in the h You can also get away the first time a man slaps you around - I personally think the "threshold" for slapping or punching a partner is far lower than the one for actually grabbi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 09:00 AM
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He is engaging her very, very indirectly - there's basically 3 layers of communication: The explicit (the actual words said - direct communication), subtext (body language, tone, inflection - signalling mood, feelings and their relation to one another) and context (situation+setup, intent behind it/motivation - this is basically a meta-layer born from knowing or analysing each other and "tailoring" the interaction - manipulation in some sense, whether benign or inimical). This interaction was al…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 11:38 AM
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We shouldn't measure it solely by the injuries. But, it is a huge indicator. Because a very violent woman can easily stab or hit (with a heavy object) her male partner when his back is turned or he is asleep or he is drunk or if he is disabled. But we don't see anywhere near the rates of serious injury/death in men in DV cases. DV against disabled women perpetrated by men is high, yet we don't see the reverse, even though the women have greater opportunity to inflict injury. The main point is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 10:13 AM
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Pretty much. I would guess that a lot of lucky blue pillers are people who are somewhat attractive people who underestimate their SMV/RMV and thus enter into relationships on a level that gives them an edge in terms of desirability or even "passive dread" (meaning they probably are the best their partner can get, whether they themselves realize it or not). Probably doesn't work for ugly or socially awkward people, and sometimes almost feels like mockery (even though it isn't in many cases).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 09:11 AM
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nod It's a platitude meant to signal all kinds of context and virtue, not something more experienced people are really serious about. Some of us, particularly those who think more literally, have to learn that the hard way. But in general those ideas are appealing and comforting - so many of us are reluctant to accept them until we have little other choice. Some of the blue stuff even works - for some people, some of the time. A few people get by quite well following bloop ideas, and they're the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 01:09 PM
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For me it was the belief that things make sense and work themselves out in a "natural" fashion that allows all sides to be happy. People who are a good fit for each other will find each other and get together. Men and women are similar with mild differences and can communicate well when they need to. Society as a whole is at least mostly benevolent. Basically that life would, at least roughly, follow the rules that make a good story, or that stories at least somewhat reflect real life, and that …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 11:12 AM
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Let's say her acting isn't perfect, but it's far and away better than it was in Valerien (which I think prompted the question). Partially because she improved as an actress, partially because I think she jives much better with both her own character and Orlando Bloom's character. They have good chemistry, those two, and her character is rather cool. Some of the other actors carry her a little, but I don't think she needed too much heavy lifting. Plus her scowl is quite lovely. Either way I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/19 09:51 AM
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And yeah I actually have no problem with blue shit inn fiction.We got enough red pills in real life,I like my fiction idealized. Ain't that the truth...if only for the fact that stories and fictions work better if they make sense. Things working out the way they're supposed to be is basically blue pill, but I think it's fine. I for one didn't mind the "earnest but confused good man" + "high level Tsundere" dynamic in Carnival row at all, bloop or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 08:15 PM
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It's interesting because on the one hand they have some progressive points (pro multiculturalism, no virgins/sexually permissive), on the other hand they balance this quite nicely. Both members of "victim groups" and the "oppressor groups" are actually defined characters, villains and heroes and everything in between on both sides. And while they are somewhat sexually permissive, people tend to be a lot more earnest and relationship/love-oriented than would be entirely realistic. It's sorta blue…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 02:34 PM
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I think it's kind of interesting, just as a kind of weird way of going about this, to analyze the lyrics of various female pop stars (Take, say, Taylor Swift) - from the bright-eyed optimistic stuff they did in their early 20s to the more jaded and sexualized to the downright shrill and bitter - to epiphany-phase appeasement. It would indicate that them being in failed relationships with men they really cared about makes them jaded, somehow less able to ever care quite in the same way as before,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 02:29 PM
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"The Boys", too. Amazon had a good run this year, I think. I'm totally looking forward to season 2 of Carnival row at any rate. I'm normally a bit of a grumpy hater, so I'm happy I found something to like for a change.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 02:20 PM
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Is this where I can come to gush and fanboi over the show "Carnival Row"? Because I watched it during these last few days and I really like it, regardless of the a little too in-your-face politics. It was pretty gud. They even had the closest thing live action has to a Tsundere archetype - also a well-executed medium-sized plot, it looked good and most of the actors really delivered. Orlando Bloom in his early 40s is not as good-looking as he was in his late 20s, but he's held up quite okay and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 12:48 PM
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I mean I am in better than average shape (a little under 180 at 6', mostly lean), but basically if you're somewhere in the 5'8"+ range you can afford around 20 pounds of flab before you are noticeably out of shape, and that's not a terribly high bar. And yes, that means a few hours of exercise per week or commuting by bicycle or something if you don't do physical labour, but again, that's not too onerous. I agree with the RPers that being around average shape is basically +/- 0, and that being p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 07:41 AM
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Once you have the habits it's fairly easy to stay normal weight. I for one have to fight to keep the pounds on during stressful times (and need to avoid shovelling sugary shit down my gullet to make up the difference) - the one time I started steadily getting chunkier over a period of 2 years I put the brakes on, and it gets a lot easier after a 2-3 month transition period. Even watching what I eat doesn't seem like much a chore now...and I think it's something most people can and should do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 05:39 AM
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Definite agreement, surprised the comment is this far down. Yes, there are exceptions, and yes, women learn to utilize their sexual capital a little later (so the peak of their employed sexual capital is in their early 20s), but in terms of sheer looks it's right after they finished physical development...so around 20ish. Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 12:33 PM
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SMV is very looks-dependent (although there are other factors, too) - so if you think of value as just how far guys would go/how much shit they would put up with to get to her, good looks are a big part. Personality and demeanour are very important for RMV, in other words, whether the guy wants to keep her around. Standards/Boundaries increase her social capital both in the short and especially in the long term - reasonable ones, anyway. It's said (by Terps, at least) that women make rules, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 11:43 AM
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7/10 - which already makes some people treat me better because I am somewhat attractive. It's not enough that my attractiveness alone carries me, but it's a leg up, and yes, better looking people are treated better. Not necessarily fair, but it is what it is. I've found that a lot of red pill concepts are a fairly accurate representation of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 03:01 PM
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Classical Alpha fux, beta bux, yeah. Young people make questionable choices, I was no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 02:58 PM
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I still maintain that she very likely met someone like Claude first - socially awkward and not super-attractive, but attentive and sincere. It's just that these guys get overlooked a lot early and/or need time to "mature" (so they're better at the actual provider/protector or beta bux thing) unlike the early-peaking Jocks or Outlaw Alpha fux.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 08:24 AM
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I kinda assume that they (Aaron and Betty) met in senior high or college, a time during which a pretty big and somewhat homogenuous group of mostly attractive young people are cooped up together. The younger version of Claude or someone like him was very likely around, too, yet she chose the early-peaking jock Alpha. This is not a coincidence. The game was Aaron's to lose, not Claude's to win - again, if Aaron hadn't treated her that badly she might very well have stayed around. Credit to Betty …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:33 PM
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Exactly. That said, he did have the "first pick" - if Aaron hadn't been an irredeemable asshole he could have easily been the one Betty stayed with. He basically had to work really, really hard on eliminating himself, and Betty, to her credit, learned from this. That said if Aaron had been an Alpha bux or even matured into a semi-decent long-term partner Claude wouldn't have ever been in the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 01:05 PM
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Same where I live. The lower 2 5ths of incomes are falling behind compared to cost of living by quite a bit, and it takes a toll. Back when I was younger (so almost 20 years ago), 10 German marks (approx 7$ back then) got you a cinema ticket, and 20-30 were enough to last a whole day doing stuff - and I earned that back then in a few hours delivering flyers or newspapers. Good luck getting anywhere near the same with the money a kid earns nowadays for the same kind of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 11:12 PM
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At the very least ripped/very muscular guys have access to a subset of women that are very into them - I think the look works on most women, yeah, but even if it didn't - 20% of the women out there throwing themselves at the muscular men is enough so that every one of them has good options.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/19 02:18 PM
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My nowadays actually increasing options are more or less on a bell curve centered around a few years younger than me - so most women who show interest are in their late 20s (me being early 30s), some older (like up to early 40s in one case), some younger all the way down to late teens. I'd assume particularly the youngers ones don't really have long-term plans for me anyway, and I have a dreadful conversion rate for my chances, so eh....
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 03:04 PM
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Some probably do, some women have status as a trophy (and thus need to be desired by others - i.e. bragging rights for bagging a non-slutty woman that is very desirable), but I think people with an LTR-orientation don't really care. I'll always blanket-assume that any woman I find attractive some other men at least also find attractive, from the more conventionally attractive types I go for to the more...shall we say niche ones. Doesn't matter. In fact, I would prefer a woman with less "ties" be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 03:01 PM
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Alpha fuckboys are like the malignant tumors of society Given how what we call society often runs on weaponized thirst this isn't so wrong. It's basically people running away with the chief incentive without contributing in return. Now...do women as a whole owe it to society to exert their control over men (by their thirst) into the right direction?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 08:31 PM
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If dude I was dating just flat out told me "i'm going to get coffee with my ex", I'd be trying to figure out what kind of power play he was trying to pull off. Is that crazy? Feel like it might be crazy. Not necessarily crazy. Some people make plays based on jealousy, especially if they want to lord their options over others. Could be entirely benign, but also not. So...I'd at least be wary if my SO pulled such a move on me. Another important metric would be if they were okay with me also talkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 06:29 AM
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True, "peaking early" by pouring all the time and resources into one's social life is not a path available to everyone, they need to have at least decent genetics/setup. But the general advice as in "get your life in order, be stable" works less well for people who mainly want sex than just trying to looksmax and socialize. Nevermind that yes, getting your life in order is definitely the better long-term strategy, and basically your only option as someone who is poor (and doesn't want to stay th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 04:45 AM
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Not even quite that. The male sexual strategy puts a lot more stock in the sex than the actual LTR/kids based on how our brains are wired, so this laborious process of becoming stable and economically viable is really only necessary to unlock the "bonus content", not the primary goal (getting laid). It's not useless for dating, but it has a pretty crummy return unless the guy is super-serious and family oriented.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 03:54 AM
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I gotta really hand it to NockerJoe again, he's basically like the yardstick for a sane, younger red-pilled man. Yeah, I mean most people have a lot of other stuff going on besides dating and basically have to set the foundation for their 30s and 40s when they're younger, which definitely "cramps their style" so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 03:48 AM
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Welp, given that raising a family in a good fashion requires functioning adults one would assume that becoming such a stable, functioning adult would help attract other people who want to have a family. Except the criteria of choice are almost entirely different (or rather the more sane women will choose the functioning adults from among those they are already attracted to) So while on a surface level it should help with attracting a partner, it really doesn't, at best it helps passing the secon…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 03:45 AM
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What about when that woman ages and is no longer young and pretty? Then she would have given this man her irreplaceable youth only to be with a man who doesn't want to put in effort. Wife goggles. A lot of men place great stock in loyalty. Of course that's no guarantee and there are shitty actors there, too, but then, the chances are probably better than they are when tangling with exploitative corporations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 08:13 AM
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I mean it's almost the same as with some men roleplaying as Chad online - it's a hypermasculine performance for status and not actual sexual strategy. It's also pretty dumb, but it definitely happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/19 06:10 AM
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Not sure about how much damage Keto does, but yeah, I think just reducing overall calories, cutting back on the sugar and eating some more vegetables did a lot for me and is probably the sane and safe way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:34 AM
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Yep. And her mother failed to condemn her - and I think it was correct, as a mother, to be reasonable and not condemn her children too quickly, but it made her lose the ability to be as vocal and annoying as she was about this stuff without being hypocritical. Not even considering the fact that this stuff plain doesn't work. One bit of propaganda can't negate an entirely changed social climate.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/11/19 03:43 AM
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I’m saying this: “the reason women don’t like stemlords is cuz they don’t play games” is laughably unaware. No one likes stemlords. And they don’t like them because they’re arrogant annoying pricks clueless about the real world. The size of the company doesn't really say that much, but those are some legit credentials if true. Have you ever considered that perceptions as to what "the real world" is might be massively divergent? Feelings and interpersonal relations are no more (but in some sense …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 04:41 PM
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Almost no one got to the top without lying, cheating, stealing or exploitation. The nicest of them just took advantage of other people's stupidity, and there's been much worse. But a career doesn't require rising all the way to the top. There are quite a few highly paid cave troll specialists who get by mostly on sheer competence and who aren't doing too badly. At least in the trades and tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 04:59 AM
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What sciences? But I digress.... Meh. To get to the top, maybe, or to get promoted despite inability, but in the trades and engineering pure ability combined with rudimentary social skills gets people the first few promotions. A career of sorts, anyway. As for that final shot you're not really explaining anything but I can gather what you want to say and just smile tiredly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 09:07 PM
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And secretly loathe him, plus potentially loathe themselves for being in a position where he is their best choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 08:05 PM
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does career success require playing games and pretending to be confident and I control when you’re not? In overpaid worthless shit-tier parts of the economy (like Law or the shit most MBAs do, which is mostly exploitation and rules-bending and little productive work) it definitely does. In results-based and more technical areas it doesn't. This, incidentally, is why women often don't like STEMlords. Because STEMlords HATE the bullshit games women and many poker-loving (as in the "card game" aka …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 06:12 PM
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That's not even the point. If she'd owned up to it she could make a comeback in some capacity pretty soon, because it's not that big of a scandal, but she's shirking responsibility...and the good folks on this sub also shook their heads about Bristol Palin (her mother Sarah Palin pushing for abstinence-only education and conservative mores....with a pregnant teenage daughter). She just has to take them damn lump like a responsible adult. It's not a big deal, but it IS her fault.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/11/19 04:59 AM
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I mean it makes little practical difference for decisions as a woman who wants to date only with the goal of committed LTRs/only has sex with guys who at least have the potential to go for the long haul. Avoiding people who have a proven track record of not staying around works regardless of cause and effect. It's the most sensible stance for people who don't wanna marry super young or didn't manage to do so, but still want a committed LTR. Basically the middle ground between virginity and promi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 03:10 PM
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I think many promiscuous men weren't cheaters because promiscuity damaged them, but rather because their ruthless and selfish nature enabled them to be promiscuous. They were damaged before they had all the sex. Otherwise this is a really sensible stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 01:29 PM
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If someone consistently achieves the same outcome (breakup after 1-3 months) time and time again he's either very dumb and/or good at fooling himself or he has unhealthy motives. That easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 01:23 PM
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Half the "masculine" qualities women choose are toxic and corrosive to society and exceedingly bad at putting food on the table and keeping them safe. This only works (without them starving or getting robbed/raped/beaten/killed) because our society is so rich, successful and safe that provision and protection are barely a requirement anymore (just a luxury). Trash-tier alpha fux and the women who date them fare badly during real crisis. We just haven't had one in decades, but it's in the works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 12:57 PM
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As offensive as that sounds, it's also a question of intelligence. People who lack intelligence learn a lot slower and harder, and while some of them do, a lot do not. They stay basically the same from 25 to 55, just that they're getting older and crankier (I've worked with a guy like that). Some others improve - but in terms of overall maturity I'd put my money on the 25yo with an IQ of 130 over a 50yo with an IQ of 90. Some experiences are basically mandatory learning experiences (living on on…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 10:22 AM
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Not entirely, no, but it would be another pretty valid reason. Although it probably often beats unstable foster care situations, even if it's hardly a good thing. That said...adopting female children one is not related to by blood or with close social ties (say, the kids of a good friend that died) is very abusable, so...I probably would have made it depend on individual, case-by-case decisions but I'm not upset by a blanket ban instead. It's defensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 08:59 AM
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like they owe you some shit for talking to them Yeah no, thanks. That's basically an ad campaign for MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 08:51 AM
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The three things, related to situation and behaviour more so than the person itself, that come to me first are these. First and foremost because they are either consistent throughout my life and/or recent and still powerful in my mind: - If she already has a boyfriend and wants to branch swing. Nope. Just nope. I suppose I could pump and dump her, but at that point I can just save myself the hassle and jack off. Meh. - If I'm ever one of several prospects and she chooses the other guy/fucks the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 01:48 PM
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Heh. I'm a STEM-lord yet spend lots time dissecting stories in film and books and/or analyze the fuck out of the bands I like (both in terms of their history as well as their texts, and how "genuine" I believe they are). But yeah, society is pretty polarized mostly, and people have gotten REALLY good at marketing feeling, beliefs and images to people (see the japanese idol industry or K-Pop, or newer pop artists with tailored personas/images). The trade of craft believable narratives has definit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 12:57 PM
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Definitely feeling you. I work nights, alone half the time, and right now I'm looking at some serious overtime coming down the pipeline, and my social life is basically dead for the time being.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 11:37 AM
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They can't combine both? Not really....there might be such a thing as "work hard, party hard" for some people, but for most people it means going to bed early, working part-time or studying over getting drunk, partying and hooking up. That's kinda the carefree thing which people do when they think it's gonna go alright no matter what they do or it's going to shit no matter what they do. If people are anxious and desperate to "make it" they will probably work and study harder at the expense of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 09:26 AM
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Nah, it's happening over here in Germany as well, to some extent, and we've never had abstinence-only Sex ed. It's a combination of more conservative immigrants bringing their values (Eastern Europeans, turks and Arabs in Germany, South Americans in the US), seeing the results of the vaunted sexual freedom (which ain't all that pretty), and plain stress. Uncertainty towards the future has two possible expressions - constant, low-key uncertainty/anxiety makes people play it safer and go for a mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 08:15 AM
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The second has a terrible haircut and could lose a bit of weight, but she's not beyond salvation, and 1st and 3rd are reasonably pretty. That said when I was younger I did indeed overlook average women who were interested in me in favour of hotter women who I imagined I had chances with...yeah. I think men are about as bad as their options (perceived or real) allow them to be, much like women. The "solution", of sorts, is to seek smaller groups or contexts where you spend more time with the guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 01:54 PM
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I don't know man, I missed the mark with some of my previews interests and even ex-GFs, but I'm thinking that for the most part nothing good can come of trying to revisit the past, so to speak. Especially if either of you did some bad shit that the other would resent them for going forward - treating her badly in your quasi-relationship, for example, but also that crowbar-to-the-face jealousy play making out with an unattractive dude in front of you. Do I wish I'd used some of my older chances, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 01:34 PM
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The "Ideal" women would probably be a very long and specific list, so I'll hedge it a bit by pointing out where I'm willing to compromise. She should be reasonably physically attractive - the more the better, but it's not that important if the basics are there and she takes good care of herself. Preferrably average height or a bit taller, as long as she's smaller than me. Intelligent. I can't stress that enough, I absolutely need an at least somewhat intelligent woman for an LTR or I'll go fucki…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 01:05 PM
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Thin or normal-sized (so up to a BMI of 23ish) and healthy as the baseline, with no obvious disfigurations. Bonus points for: - tall-ish (5'8-5'10, taller than average, not quite as tall as me would be ideal) - Dat ass, toned/muscular mind you - Generally in decent or fit shape - Age range late teens to late twenties, not going for any younger, and slight deductions with increasing age - White, Latina or Asian (It is what it is. While I do find some black women attractive, it's kind of like a -1…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 12:28 PM
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It's a similar situation in Germany - people who go into trades or labour have full "grown up" status with their own place, car and some disposable income in their late teens/early 20s, and that does make them a lot more attractive to women. They peak early, so to speak, but they absolutely are able to pull girls from senior high if they want to - whereas the classmates of these girls, baring those who either have rich parents or are very good looking/social generally do worse simply because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 12:17 PM
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Self-awareness often doesn't, unwarranted confidence is a huge booster when dealing with women and/or in office jobs that mostly revolve around perception over actual work done...Still, if you were self-aware you'd realize that deep down everyone, including the high-powered lawyer and the brilliant scientist, is a hairless monkey. A lot of people realize this eventually. And given the halo effect, why wouldn't they? Mind over matter also means that one would be able to do the 20% of effort (non-…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 04:32 PM
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Some BDSM-stuff, not even the really outlandish stuff, but I'm just not into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 04:28 PM
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Humans have very primal and basic parts of their brain - being tall, strong and muscular works on those no matter what. It's not a decisive factor in many situations, but it's often beneficial in many minor ways (and be it only by making people subconsciously more hesitant to talk over you or something).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 10:20 AM
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Because statistically they are, because they pair bond more strongly and because they're probably more invested in a relationship if it ever gets to that stage. Virgin/low-N is nowhere near the top of my list, but it's a big plus and those are basically the reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 09:58 AM
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It might be a bit hyperbolic, but one of my ex-GFs was trained by her former boyfriend into a fetish that I just didn't wanna deal with, and that kind of baggage occurs. Most sane low-N women don't have it, but the risk of baggage that makes a relationship harder or impossible increases with former relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 08:14 AM
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YeahY, I also expected more. More shitposting, apecially more ANGREH discussion. Work kept me busy, but I expected more fthought the glorious folks here would light the board up...seems not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/19 07:47 AM
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Nevermind then, that seems fine - breaking off engagements that will not work out is another thing entirely, and sensible under some circumstances. Carry on then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 07:10 PM
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The very fact that you have more than two (one freebie for a mistake/learning experience) kinda proves why it's a bad idea to marry some women. Also that there are stupid people who'll still do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 04:26 PM
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It's classism, basically. Like low-level menial labourers are basically expected to burn themselves out for peanuts (my current boss, for example, thinks a co-worker would be unreasonable if they didn't want to keep working in their physical job with their hernia until another co-worker comes back from holiday. While at the same time thinking nothing if he or his precious office ladies take days off for a cold), get harder sentences, less chances etc. Society expects working class people to just…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 08:55 AM
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Because I'm 180lbs. at 6' of relatively lean man, and I can control my bodyweight. I draw the line at mildly chubby because it is absolutely possible to stay in shape for nearly everyone out there. Barring a very good reason being fat is an avoidable fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/19 06:36 AM
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It does matter since there are transpeople in women's sports at the college level in several parts of the world, particularly the anglosphere. Senior high/College sports are often important rungs on the way to a professional career as athlete, and actual bio-women and their ambitions are basically sacrificed for some politically correct agenda. I saw an example in amateur wrestling, or "Fallon Fox" in UFC. Pitting bio-women versus trannies in combat sports is plain inexcusable bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 09:59 PM
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53% Masculine, 36% feminine, thus casually masculine. Meh. I don't think the test is that useful, but whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:13 PM
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But Intelligence = the ability to acquire knowledge All else being equal an intelligent person is much more likely to know things or figure things out. It's really that much of an (almost unfair) advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 11:53 AM
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True enough - but there is little doubt that the guy has distinctly above-average intelligence, which in turn makes it more likely that he knows things. 100% sure? No, but it's likely that he's more right than average people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 11:12 AM
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Except she didn't, and also nobel prize in hard sciences. That's something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 10:35 AM
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Yep. I have small-ish, cylindrical frame and yet gained a v-taper by building my lats and shoulders. Nowhere near what people with good genetics for that kind of thing get, but noticeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:22 AM
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It's probably a mixture, but I'd wager the "social"/"nurture" factor account for a far bigger chunk of the percentages. There are black groups in the US (Nigerian immigrants) that have better outcomes than the average whites, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 01:44 PM
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I'm one of the guys in that thread, and I for one have definitely become more red pilled over the last 2 years and am on track for re-taking control of my life. Taking women off the pedestal has helped with that, and this sub has helped me take women off that pedestal.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/10/19 01:57 PM
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So much unabashed AWALTing, it's really eye-opening and useful, yeh. I know it turned me more red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 01:51 PM
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....With more than a few samples of size 24
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 06:15 PM
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Seems like a good fit, and would no doubt have been exacerbated if she was an only child (which she probably was). I wonder if it could have been prevented (with more reasonable treatment by her parents).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 11:27 AM
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Being controlling and overprotective beyond a certain boundary fucks people up, but this kind of extreme reaction means she was some sort of especially vulnerable. Most overprotected girls only have lots of random sex with people they know their parents disapprove of and do some drugs, which is often something they can live with. This was...more extreme, and yeah, she dumpstered her entire life. The downward spiral doesn't really have a bottom anymore at this point. It's kinda sad, but then, so …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 11:11 AM
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The use makes these fringe terms uncivil. For example "Beta" Calling someone who lacks assertiveness and is too trusting and thus gets taken advantage off, or the kind of guy who is usually last in the buffet line when all the shrimps and the duck are already gone a beta is...a sensible description of a simple FACT, and not uncivil although it might feel unpleasant if it hits too close to home. It it's used like some manospherians do, where everyone who isn't either a "graduated chad" or some so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 07:44 AM
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I won't deny it's insane. I still want Chad to die though. Some kind of primal hate for those that are evolutionarily superior. Thing is, only about half of the Chads are actually superior, those Alpha-bucks types with the great body, go-getter personality, good breeding, success and what not. The other half are dark triad, or low-inhibition/high aggression (without much self-control) types that are also irresistible to many women. They'll often crash and burn later in life, but who cares if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 07:32 AM
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I did. Sorry. Will delete, then answer properly when I have the time, maybe later today.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 07:13 AM
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Agreed. WWE has more talented wrestlers than they know what to do with anyway, they can easily feed someone to him that will put on a great match but can take the loss (like EC3, or, say, Cesaro because Claudio Castagnoli is simply that good. Hell, they COULD feed Braun Strowman to him, they even have prior connections via the Wyatt family).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 05:22 AM
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Yeah I get that. It's uncivil though, although within reasonable bounds. I doubt one could genuinely argue or debate without a certain amount of incivility. I agree with OP on the word being incivil (and explicitly refute poppy's trashy dig at OP, which is the main reason I posted). I'll also gladly agree that OP should stop hyperventilating as this kind of casual, dismissive insult is very instructional and worth observing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 01:51 PM
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If we go by this then Incel's screeds would be acceptable explanations of their position as long as they're internally consistent. Just saying. At least to the point where they could claim women are evil and worthless if that matches their internal point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 01:40 PM
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"Be civil" is one of the rules of this subreddit I don't actually care much about. I'd prefer if people would still try to make points, but I don't mind if there is some harsh language involved. (Which is why I am interested to see how purge week plays out). Creepy IS however imprecise language and has implications that are not particularly civil (much like, say, "whore" or "slut") if used in a lazy or derogatory manner. Uncivil as in "censor this"? No. But it's definitely often trash-tier aggra…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 01:39 PM
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I edited it to fix a grammatical error (omitting two words). It does not change the meaning of my post, it just makes it more readable. It's interesting that you would spin it this way. You will pardon if I don't leave this sub immediately because the almighty kween takes offence at my statement. And for the record, yes, being called a slut and being called a beta bux is negative, because both denote "failures" of sorts in sexual strategy. Beta bux take a bad deal that leaves them unsatisfied, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 01:36 PM
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Nope. It's about women using a word that implies a certain vague feeling of threat...to people whose main or only crime is being unattractive. That's pretty harsh, and very similar to the vernacular the more bitter parts of the manosphere use to describe women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 01:10 PM
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I mean it's fun if you don't take it too seriously. I'm more into New Japan Pro Wrestling myself, because the in-ring action is better and the stories are less...extreme, but it's a bit like a carnival performance crossed with a story. And since sometimes we don't know how the story ends....I get curious. Sometimes the writers manage to surprise us all in the best way possible. Or, you know, Vince McMahon kills another story line dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 01:06 PM
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Mostly because it's still sex without much desire from the other side, and especially more empathetic or intelligent men have a harder time being enthusiastic about that. Being desired is validation, in this case, and getting at least some good playacting is precisely why high-priced escorts go for higher prices than even equally attractive high-price hookers. The illusion of desire (and a certain degree of exclusivity, the escort only banging dozen of other dudes, not hundreds) is a cost/value …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 12:49 PM
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Some guys would settle for being the safe fallback guy, hell, I've considered it (but I'm not quite old enough and still improving at a steady pace, so right now that seems a bad choice). Some women have ONS for stupid reasons, but again that's usually not a smart choice (and just about ANY reason short of genuine desire is stupid or damaging imo - do note that this does not include being pumped and dumped since she might have accepted that under wrong premises). I'm a firm believer in both AWAL…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:51 AM
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It's a bit different, really. Men want sex, first and foremost, and commitment to a high-value women who they can have a family with (or build a life with even without children) is the second and MINOR part of it. That might not be a pretty truth, but it is what it is. In an equal, enthusiastic relationship where the women desires the man sexually and meets his needs while he takes care of her and meets her needs all of this not an issue. If, however, women are merely pumped and dumped they ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:29 AM
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Let me put it this way - one of the guys got what he wanted really fast for a lot less effort and investment. Chances are he also did stuff with her that she's not doing with her husband - she's basically more selfish with her BB than she was with the AF guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:09 AM
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None. It's a strategy that's strictly inferior to actually being attractive, but for men with a talent for earning money (or the will to work really hard) it's better than nothing. Kinda like being a second-string woman, the kind that gets picked up once the pretty ones without the obvious baggage are gone (or when they're plain easier).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:07 AM
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Opposing sexual strategies - Red pills means they're aware of how the other side ticks and want to maximize their own gains. Women chase commitment, men chase sex. The guy red pill women are look for is probably either a "natural" (highly dominant and driven blue pill man - usually from a good background) or, failing that, a purple pill guy who is somewhat aware and knows how to "handle" her without being into trying to chad it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 02:12 PM
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Inclined to believe this...I think around 10-year-ish is about the biggest gap most women would consider for an LTR, so it makes sense that a man would drop of the radar of mid-20s women somewhere in his late 30s. "Wall" doesn't mean zero chance anymore, just that the chances have dramatically dropped to the point where it's likely people aren't getting what they want anymore and probably have to settle. Which...would be probably around 38-40 for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 02:07 PM
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Depending on his type and build, but yeah, looks-wise men peak somewhere between early 20s (androgynous types) and late 20s/early 30s (big beefy types. Takes time to build that much mass). Think 25-28 is the age most men peak looks-wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 02:03 PM
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Most tax evasion models only work if certain requirement are met or require a certain scale to work - besides, that assumes "optimizing" taxes is actually a good thing - those taxes are, after all, required to run the country. So the middle class people and smaller companies basically pay their taxes as expected, and the wealthy get to dodge them. In order to raise enough money, taxes are raised to compensate for the big company's tax dodging, which disproportionately affects those who can't dod…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 01:59 PM
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Oh yeah, he's truly exceptional, and AFAIK happily married to a gorgeous woman and has children. He's just the full package, more or less. I mean the chances of that happening are astronomical, but with 7 billion people it does happen now and then. Society as a whole is of course mostly made up of much more "pedestrian"/ordinary people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 12:33 PM
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The best kind of setup for chadding and corporate environments is an IQ of around 110 to 120, since it gives you a leg up in terms of learning and also making decisions, but you're still mostly mentally stable and able to relate to average people. So....good looks + decent intelligence is better socially/sexually on average. Genuine high IQ usually leads to more extreme results - either massive success or abysmal failure (if people have extreme mental disorders). The successes are those who actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 12:18 PM
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I have a really hard time dealing with people who are much less intelligent than me, so for an LTR I want a woman who comes close enough that I can talk to her without the handbrakes on all the time. Smarter people also communicate better and make slightly better decisions, so I feel that's another advantage. Competition for these kinds of women (at least among STEMlords) is somewhat fierce, but it is what it is - although I am very much prioritising intelligence before looks, as long as she loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 12:13 PM
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r/whereareallthegoodmen does not. It's a bannable offence to doxx. Posts get deleted and repeat offenders get banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:28 PM
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I will point out that on r/whereareallthegoodmen leaving doxxing information in there will get the post deleted and repeat offenders banned. As is proper. For the most part it's not about public shaming, but also about re-calibrating men who have been put through the wringer - an average man who is not stunningly ugly and has his shit together is in a better position than these women, and reminding him is good - the vitriol serves to reinforce the message and the de-programming. It's also a pass…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 04:27 PM
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Pretty much. Some women make me (and probably others), cut back on a lot of the cynicism, others not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 09:05 AM
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It's a spa location - with an old medieval town as well as clinics that do physical rehab and such, and it's rather pretty. I visited someone who did rehab after knee surgery there, and it's really nice.
/r/MGTOW07/10/19 05:47 PM
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Incidentally that's part of the reason why I prefer NJPW (New Japan Pro Wrestling) - aside from the much better wrestling, that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 02:35 PM
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This exactly. A lot of men don't question this and pay through the ass for whatever they can still get, but more and more are getting out semi-voluntarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:20 AM
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Career is still somewhat shaky and not established despite my age, lots of start-stop stuff in my CV.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:18 AM
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Because right wing populists won in a lot of countries, in the US as well as in several European countries (also Brazil), and many of them have an anti-feminist, traditionalist platform that resonates with young male voters. Much of their remaining policy such as strong nationalism and especially economic liberalism is bullshit, but the anti-feminism is definitely is a draw.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 06:47 AM
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The biggest factor is that both men and women go on longer and longer in school, university or entry-level jobs before attaining stability - not just in terms of money, but also in terms of moving around and losing friendships and social connections and often killing the relationships forged in adolescence or early adulthood. Murricans get out of College earlier than Germans on average. Things like that matter. Economics, too, but just plain CV stuff matters more than people would consider from …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 11:50 AM
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I'm not completely MGTOW, but I sympathize heavily with the idea and have moved towards it over the last 2 years - I feel that I a neither have the right mindset (either predatory/manipulative or highly socially aware) to deal with women, nor am I sufficiently attractive to get by without those. As such, and with some negative crap I got from my father as well as strong blue pill condition I was not happy. Weaning myself at least partially off the need for female validation and starting self-imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 11:47 AM
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Also get enough healthy sleep if you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 07:30 AM
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Okay, from my POV marriage is mostly a game of RMV, not SMV. In fact, out of the various women who I personally think "got away" only one was a legit 8/10, and one was basically a 5/10 on a good day - but she had amazing personality. Attractiveness is always good, and by all means take care of yourself physically, but the lowest cutoff for marriage is essential "I can deal with her without issues with the hydraulics" - and the rest is a question of personality and conduct. Of course every man is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 12:55 PM
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I can make it an intellectual exercise of sorts and see both upsides and downsides, but I cannot, on some visceral level, ever seriously consider not being a man. My brain's been wired in a male way since the womb, it's just what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 05:16 AM
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For thousands of years, men would take care of the children of women who were left widowed, childless, etc. It’s an honorable act. Do you know what hurts society? Kids raised without a father. If a man steps up and takes in the role of being a father, he is helping society. This is true if the father died in an accident or war (or had really good reasons to leave that had nothing to do with his selfishness or his wife being a shrew) and if the other man taking over is a friend, brother, colleagu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:44 AM
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I love the RP-run parody sub (although it's one of those things I binge on for a few months then just get over, to maybe look at now and then later on), but in a lot of ways r/datingoverthirty/ is often this, pretty unironically. Biological clock and "the wall" (as in not being entirely done, but as in having a lot fewer options, especially for commitment) are a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 02:35 AM
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If we're discussing single mothers and their effect on the SMP, if they really have one, then it depends on how common they are. It's a numbers game - I think I remember reading studies about areas in which men outnumber women (say, Alaska) slewing towards the female imperative, with a lot of more committed relationships, and areas with a female surplus (most college campuses) slewing towards the male sexual strategy, with a lot of soft harems and no-strings-attached sex. If, and that's if, ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 02:15 AM
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Agreed - but it would require her to make a lot of hard choices after a decade of easy bad choices. It's kinda like a man who made terrible career choices all throughout his 20s and wants to get rich by 40 anyway. Can it happen? Yeah. Absolutely. If he puts a lot of consistent smart and hard work in, also gets a bit lucky - and if he does he gets better than most other men by that age. The chances are just a lot smaller, just like the chances of this one Korean-american becoming a desirable wife…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/10/19 01:50 AM
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If she actually takes harsh and continued measures for longer time she might be able to salvage something. Something, mind you, less than she could have had if she'd stayed off the carousel, but something. I'm talking looking for a decent job first, then at least half a year of voluntary, complete celibacy, and finally getting some domestic skills. It's a lot of work though, and asking for a lot of sacrifice on her part, and I doubt she'll make it. A more wholesome image is worth jack shit if it…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/10/19 08:00 PM
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Same here, much like I usually spread out my vacation days over the year unless I want to travel. Balance in everyday life aside from crunch time and small pit stops. I like my routine, tbh, and get restless if I have more than 3 weeks off. But I mean burning out is a real thing, and people don't even notice how fucked their productivity already is in the early stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 06:42 PM
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It's also a question of performance, and a workaholic who burns out or has his productivity drop from overwork isn't that hot either - but all else being equal of course the harder worker should have an advantage. Which doesn't negate the need to cap worked hours anyway, if only out of concern for the continued productive of the employees.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:34 PM
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I upvoted because I think your argument is more well-made and coherent, but I will point out one thing: I think the emotions are justified in so far as unattractive men recognize that the role they are supposed to play in the entire thing is very unsatisfactory and allows both the woman, and more importantly her Chad exes, to take advantage of him. Much like mediocre women bristle at being used merely as a cum-dumpster or having to settle for men that are well below their expectations. It's reco…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 09:12 AM
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Further, she likely would not have participated in that behavior if she did not count on him being there for the moment she is incapable of having that kind of fun again. This is the one that really gets me. A lot of the dual mating strategy depends on the fallback option, whether it's a beta husband for woman to settle down with, or a beta cuck/the government actually paying for her and the kids she had from relationships she never really expected to go the distance. I for one NEVER want to fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 09:04 AM
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Heh. I don't believe in that, or rather believe that making a value judgement or an overall assessment of capability is pointless. Men and women do, definitely, have different levels of ability in certain areas and situations (on average, exceptional individuals can always slew heavily into a different direction). In this case men are better at staying calm and keeping their shit together. Not perfect, but a little better, and many women want that man to extend that to them by taking the lead sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 07:30 AM
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Women are more emotional and volatile, and in this case want a man who will draw lines and rein them in so he can "smooth out" her impulses if they threaten to go wrong. It's the entire complimentary thing, men's strengths compensating for women's weaknesses in some areas and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 06:55 AM
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What's the alternative? Not actually being successful? Focussing on one thing over the other? What you mention seems to be more of a problem of overreach, picking the wrong women from among all those you can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 05:32 AM
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All laws are conventions that a group of people/society agree upon and enforce. Enforcing laws requires the ability to do so, meaning the ability to commit targeted violence if necessary. All law is backed by the threat of violence. Men are disproportionately good at dishing out violence, which means that any law or order basically needs the backing of a sufficient number of men. Law and order are part of what men provide for women (although to be fair the most criminals are also men, so that ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 03:56 AM
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Being Alpha bucks means that you're good at both things, so either an amazing provider that's also reasonably attractive or a very attractive person that's also a decent provider. You could still go for a woman who's looking for a provider first and foremost if you're both. Being THAT successful just opens up more options. Of course one still needs to choose smartly from among those options, but being the Alpha bucks is literally winning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 03:45 AM
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It depends on what you start out with, I guess. The goal, ideally, is of course always to mold yourself into an Alpha bucks and then have your pick of the litter. Your starting position (genetics, social resources, age, talents etc.) determines how far you can reach. If you have a clear talent for one thing (say being very smart/talented and able to rake in the bucks OR having good genes for athletics and a history of taking at least some care of yourself physically) do that thing - it's better …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 01:23 PM
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Upvoted for providing information. Whether or not it made the point doesn't matter, better information always helps.
/r/MGTOW02/10/19 11:23 AM
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Some perceived harassment is the result of failed communication or just plain misunderstanding. Where humans interact there will always be friction. IF, and that is if, all the legal risk is placed solely on the men and even minor incidents are punished harshly the only real option, in the long term, is not to play. Which we see happening. Some women would rather pay the price of occasionally being harassed by some clueless guy or idiot in order for men to still aggressively and confidently flir…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 07:39 PM
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Not everyone makes the same money though, and a lot of the sexually frustrated middle class pays MORE taxes. Society should not exactly cater, but at least make concessions to those who carry a large part of the load. You do not want your beasts of burden to check out as a society. Besides, if no one is entitled to anything, single mothers are not entitled to welfare benefits. Just saying. Yes, sex is more immediate and powerful than the fruits of a man's labour and his lifetime, but it's not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:52 PM
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You have a strange fascination with Elliot Rodger...but be that as that may. First off while society does attempt to hold fathers responsible, there are quite a few cases where the father is just too broke to pay and/or not even known, and even then the rest of society makes up the difference. Because western society believes in rehabilitation and giving everyone a chance. So far so true - but it's paid with money, quite a good chunk of which is taxed from beta men. Beta men, in part, pay for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 12:30 PM
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If he'd still been around after his murderous rampage then perhaps. He was an unproven beta dweeb all the way until he committed his crime after all. If he'd gradually escalated his evil fuckery instead of "snapping" then he might have actually been criminal enough to attract hybristophiliac women before he died.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 09:12 AM
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Ultimately one of the main goals of many humans is to have kids. Sure, inventing, say, a new drug to deal with some severe illness is pretty cool and rewarding, but so is fucking lots of women in their most attractive and fertile years and having a bunch of healthy children. And this powerful reward is bestowed on someone who is objectively a parasite to society, and withheld from someone who is one of the biggest contributors to society. It's fucked up, and the only reason why smart people shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 09:09 AM
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The majority of single parents are women who chose bad fathers. Hint: Those "baby daddies" are usually not evil entitled nice guys. If nobody owes anyone anything those sperm donors are free to be deadbeat fathers if they can get away with it, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:59 AM
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Money is literally the result of work (and thus the investment of lifetime), mostly by men (not entirely, but significantly more than 50%) - and a lot of women act entitled to the result of men's labour/men's lifetime. It might not be as immediate and as powerful as sex, but unattractive, "nice" men will ask why women get a cut of their labour (and thus a piece of their life) when they get jack shit from them. Since nobody is entitled to anything the proportionate response would be to be a minim…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:57 AM
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They are being DELIBERATELY told being nice was important or relevant, in part because society at large needs them as honest, trusting and cooperative workhorses. If men behaved like female selection encouraged them to all the time... Oh wait, that's not a hypothetical. Such societies exist, and they're usually indigenous tribes who still live in the stone age.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:41 AM
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From what I heard a fan got too pushy/obnoxious and the guy basically had his bodyguards hold the guy down while Mumble rapper was beating the guy. So...totally classy, non-criminal behaviour, basically. It's entirely possible that the afghan immigrant didn't act nicely beforehand, but I don't think Mr. Mumble rap (A$AP Rocky) was an innocent victim here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:36 AM
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Yep. There are whole industries of what is essentially fraud or extortion, but it's never punished because it's done via the financial market or manipulation of laws that are hundreds of years old and hopelessly broken. The criminal energy is the same though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:33 AM
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"Naturals" = blue-pilled people who are either so insanely attractive that they can get by with nearly zero game or already behaved more or less like a trained red-piller or their own. The average bloop isn't particularly successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:29 AM
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That's the thing though, even if I was a Tradcon man and into paying for my date's food - she's not even dating in good faith. No one can be serious about the guys she sees if she has more than maybe 2 dates per week. Either she fucks a lot of dudes, in which case I'm not interested in giving her the princess treatment, OR she's not fucking the dudes in which case it's even worse. It's amazing how they don't grasp the balances and mutual obligations of the "chivalry" they expect men to show.
/r/MGTOW30/09/19 03:05 PM
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Possibly. Either way: 20% Chads means 80% non-chads. If among those 80% non-chads 20% (relative to total, mind you, not those 80) do 80% of the bitching that leaves us with....drumroll....80%-20% = 60% (relative to total population). And wouldn't you look at that....that's the number u/PrideInIndividuality mentioned. Strange how that works. Almost as if he wanted to bring up that the non-chads not doing the bitching underestimate how fucked up their position is. Hmmm. Oh wait, he totally did tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 12:41 PM
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I can only speak for myself but MGTOW helped me unfuck my life a bit and regain part of my masculinity. Career has improved and I have gained 8kg, lost 5 again and improved my overall physical performance...lots of small little improvements. It helps to realize how stuff works and how worthless certain kinds of external validation are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 12:09 PM
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but saw the quality of the posts devolve into some weird fictional shit and most of the posters roleplaying as alpha males LOL That's the death knell right there, when it becomes a status thing instead of being a discussion mostly around the "content"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 12:05 PM
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Younger women are a lot less jaded and bitter. I sometimes observe this in female singers who write their own lyrics - compare, say, early 20s Taylor Swift with her current self, or, say, teenaged Crissy Costanza of Against the Current and her current early 20s version. I assume the lyrics aren't entirely autobiographic, but very influenced by their current attitudes and state of mind, and let's just say their younger versions were a lot more optimistic about men and relationships. There's a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 06:15 AM
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Plus at least 2 weekly [deleted]-threads about how men are totally morally decrepit subhumans. I actually find some humour in it, but I have no doubt that some of the misandric women in this place are dead serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 02:05 AM
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It'd be easier to deal with if she also had an agenda and there was open communication or negotiation, but we all know this is not how the male/female dynamic usually works. Men should usually push forward, and women can put on the brakes if they want. Which results in women often eliminating men that aren't sufficiently pushy (which they consider a measure of his "investment/desire", which it partially is, but often also isn't), while men eliminate women for relationships that let him do too mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 01:53 AM
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Sex is men's primary goal, not the relationship. Women hold the pursestrings to the currency men actually want. If you're not using that power to encourage behaviour you want it's on you. Men have no obligation to be "nicer" with their power (gatekeeping commitment), and yet Beta bucks billy often is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 05:01 PM
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This one, for example: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/10/europe/catherine-deneuve-france-letter-metoo-intl/index.html Although I will have to amend my initial quote, it wasn't hundreds but rather an even hundred.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 04:30 PM
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I seem to remember that as well, yeah. Still pretty fucked up UNLESS he basically gets the same once he reaches driving age.
/r/MGTOW29/09/19 01:31 PM
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Yeah, and this is why several hundred French women signed an open letter condemning poundmetoo, mainly because men can't really aggressively pursue women if this places them in legal jeopardy. Which is unfortunately exactly the state we have in some areas in the west. It's a fucked up world we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 11:03 AM
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I totally agree. I think women holding out until they feel a certain threshold of connection and investment is passed is smart. I've also been ghosted by 2 women in the last year for not trying sufficiently hard to fuck them (one on the first, the other on a "third" date - with 2 months since the date before, so in my head it was back to square one). At the very, very least you are expected to push for more than she's freely offering, and if she's offering...well. So as a man you apparently have…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 06:17 AM
1

It's the future of humanity!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 06:11 AM
2

Pierre Trudeau's wife's son is special. Oh dude. I might not like Angela Merkel, but she's a damn sight better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 06:09 AM
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She's pretty gud, I'll just make the cookies myself though /\<sup>_\</sup>^
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 06:06 AM
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Quite a few would like nothing better than a return to a more traditional society, yeah. MGTOW is a reaction to how fucked up current society is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 05:23 AM
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Past behaviour being the best indicator of future actions and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 05:18 AM
1

Well, a runaway, if it happens - and some of them are already happening culturally after all (like height - the best height in terms of health and performance for men is in the area of 5'9" - 5'10" ish, although 6' isn't really that bad) perhaps won't be accelerated by tech, at least not right away. Attitudes might change in future generations. Although I do think removing genetic diseases and negative traits will have a massively positive effect on public health - and besides, we do have health…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 05:12 AM
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Kinda like SpinachIsYummy pointed out, for now I think lab-based eugenics will focus on pre-selecting donor sperm and eliminating obvious genetic defects (with a single, isolated defective gene), then eventually move on to more complex but still detectable flaws, like, say, sickle cell anemia or hemophilia (pre-implantation diagnostics or early-term diagnostics, preferably using only a sample of the mother's blood). So eliminating defects will be the first, most common application, and while som…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 06:58 PM
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Okay, I'll try to answer that - First off, before we even get to history, if she's trying to branch swing to me either by cheating on her boyfriend or leaving him to immediately switch over that's a hard no for relationships. I don't wanna deal with such a lack of loyalty and it's not worth my commitment. - Cheating, branch swinging: it's a red flag for sure, but I'd be willing to deal if she's only done it once or twice, especially if it's been a while since then and she cleaned her act - Casua…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 06:02 PM
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Stupid or even average people cap out really early though unless they actively make an effort to learn. I know quite a few people who stopped learning in their early 20s (as soon as they could manage their job and some basic life skills) and then just...grew older. No personal development. The 22yo is younger, hotter and more fun and she at least still has potential. All else being equal she's more attractive than a stagnant 30yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 03:08 PM
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Interesting. I thought with all the brouhaha in the media about teenage pregnancies and single moms with 3 kids from 4 different fathers there would be more children in the working class as well, but I guess that's a minority that is more than compensated for by other working poor struggling hard to escape the pull of poverty and delaying their family plans as well. Now I think we agree that this development is very destabilizing and unhealthy for society as a whole, but is it actually good for …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 02:20 PM
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Surprise, sure, very effective. I mean it's not a bad idea to learn how to fight or to train. It helps, as you say, to deal with average men (and quite a few of men who commit domestic violence are nothing special). Yet I'd be under no illusion that without the element of surprise women are very outmatched when matched against fit or trained men. True, with some super-brutal methods they might be able to close the gap, but that also bears the risk of retaliation. I'm probably in the top 5 to 10%…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 11:19 AM
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Oh I personally disagree with a lot of the MAGA nationalist economic liberalism - the politics espoused are absolutely bloody stupid, but from their point of view it makes sense. IF, and this is IF, men were in fact smarter and taking a longer view and what not it would make SENSE for them to force women to go along with their superior plan. That they quite obviously don't have it does not make their plan inconsistent or wrong by their internal logic, it just means that a lot of TeRPers are stup…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 10:48 AM
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Have you read the Red pill article you linked? I mean you can argue values all you want, but you can't argue it's not internally consistent. The guy claims woman must be subjugated by men for their own good. This is consistent. You might not agree with it, but it is consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 10:27 AM
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Pretty much this. It's impossible to overlook how external factors influence your life, but it's beneficial to act based on internal locus of control to maximize the use of what influence one actually has on the outcome. 100% agreement with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:07 AM
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Well, not entirely no. That's unreasonable. But I can absolutely imagine a Chad not committing to relationship and dramatically reducing his effort to the point where he's occasionally banging some low-hanging fruit while otherwise getting on with his life. If we consider that a lot of PUA stuff is basically emulating a dark triad personality I can imagine people would burn out and develop self-disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 04:35 AM
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The middle class is feeling the crunch the worst - they feel like they're missing out on something if they don't establish a career, whereas poor people stay poor regardless of whether they have 2 kids and do it with their own income or 4 kids + supplementary welfare. Their relative level of wealth stays the same, and the upper class can simply afford kids. Still cheaper than Yachts or snorting cocaine off hooker's asses. Problem is of course that the middle class contains, on average, the actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 03:20 AM
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So....Volcels, but yeah. There are basically three main demographics in MGTOW (and it's not unreasonable to assume some are LARPing). a) Divorced guys b) "Graduated Chads" who enjoyed a lot of success with women but eventually got disgusted with these women and/or what they did to get these women and are now walking away (I don't doubt there are some genuine cases, but also a lot of LARPers) c) Volcels - Men who don't get any pussy or dramatically less than they want, analyze the situation and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 03:07 AM
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Yeah - past sexual history is always neutral at best, and can be negative. Pretty much, and little to add here. Some attributes that may lead to an increased N might be a positive, but the sexual history itself isn't. There is no such thing as pre-selection for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 06:30 PM
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Yeah, I mean a top 1-2% female martial artist can fight off an average man who halfway knows what he's doing. Once the men are taller, heavier and trained there is often such a difference in power that no amount of tactics or skill can overcome it. Most martial arts are good for athletic conditioning, they help exude enough confidence to ward off small fry, but for most women there is no way short of using weapons to stop a determined male violent criminal (especially since they're usually more …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 02:25 PM
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Obviously not all of them, but yeah, I mean the same preselection that applies to the 18yo sugar baby would apply to a 23yo one - they're willing to prostitute themselves, and unless they've discovered this option recently in light of their student loan debt, there's a fair chance they're just as low-inhibition or promiscuous, just a few years further down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 01:08 PM
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...which also means that even if she's been sexually active since 13 she's just had less time to rack up a high N than even a moderately promiscuous woman at the end of college. I'm not looking for sugar babies but I can see a kind of cynical logic behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 12:13 PM
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Men who have no issue with pumping and dumping OR a long stretch of probationary plating have less of an issue with high-N women because they can choose to no longer deal with them when the women are damaged or unpleasant. People with less skin in the game can afford to be less judgemental. Shocker. This is not a product of their attitudes, mind you. They might think as badly of high-N as less chadly men, they can just AFFORD not to care, or act like they don't care (because they still win if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 12:10 PM
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Where I think women have it hard: - incredibly front-loaded SMV and fertility in all its consequences: Women are most attractive between 15 and 35, and they peek around 20. During those years they are far more desirable than most men will ever be, they have a powerful wellspring of one of the most powerful resources in society, female sexual capital. A lot of what they will ever get in life, especially from men, is bought with that resource. And every swinging dick and quite a few women around t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 12:07 PM
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Ahahaha - it's not the sex worker population who is driving the current clusterfuck on the dating market, just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 06:12 AM
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*laughs in full beard* Yeah I think men probably have the better deal here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 06:07 AM
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I mean it is. It's just that normal men have it on a tight leash - and yes, we should definitely judge those who don't and cross boundaries like these.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 05:28 AM
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Never entirely, but I remember in the mid 2000s there was a push towards an overall more sex-positive kind of female empowerment by some. It has...died down now, and the Zeitgeist is definitely different these days. 2nd wave was always pretty solidly anti-porn, but there used to be some in 3rd wave who wanted to legalize and control prostitution and generally had a more permissive attitude towards all kinds of sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 04:57 AM
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6 years I think, could be a few months more or less. Didn't really enjoy it and sometimes made some futile attempts to change it, but for much of the time the celibacy itself didn't bother me. The 2 high quality women I missed out on during that time did, and I think of them now and then when I get moody, although I 100% know it's over and donezo once the window of opportunity is gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:52 PM
2

Pretty much. Physical for initial attraction and personal compatibility and a clean or acceptable rap sheet for long-term eligibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:44 PM
2

Nope. I think at best it's neutral - I'm not holding decent or good exes against her, but it's never a plus. I expect women from their early-mid 20s onwards to have history (because it would be weird if they didn't have it), but it's never a plus in and off itself. If she has a LOT of history and/or garbage dudes in there it's a minus. That might sound harsh, but at the same time women basically start out with a yes and men then look for reasons why they shouldn't, whereas men start at a base of…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:42 PM
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Entirely fair. It's a reasonable standard to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 05:45 PM
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True. There will be more shaming towards some of the more crass uses of material wealth or sexual capital, agreed. It's nowhere near sufficiently strong or prevalent to affect the shamed much, but that, too, might change.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 04:46 PM
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I don’t care about the smv of a woman’s exs. But I refuse to date women that have a history of dating losers and/or shitbags. I'm 100% on board with that, especially if it's not a one-off deal or if she has kids with the guy. A woman who dates losers sets her value at their level, and that usually means I don't want none.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 04:41 PM
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Kylie Jenner is not really a good example of a self-made woman who earned her life of luxury...but if idiots wanna give her money it's their thing. I'll just silently judge them a bit and be on my way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 04:35 PM
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The decline that PUA red pill men seek to enjoy. The American empire has been steadily going down the shitter for the last 70-80 years, with the decline really picking up in the last 20. The main reasons for this are the increasing moral relativism and inequality which is even worshipped by some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 05:01 AM
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Good question. I still find the concept of someone who is relatively self-aware being this morally relativist and worshipping selfishness even knowing where it leads...surprising, let's say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 04:46 AM
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But the high Betas are men's concept of good men, which plays a big role in how men organize themselves in groups and society as a whole. Women's sexual preferences are not the only valid measure of "good men" since there's other shit to do once the fucking's done.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 04:36 AM
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Hard disagreement. Men need an idea of a good man not because they want to fuck him, but because it's a standard they hold other men (and if they've got balls themselves) too. It's how we know who to work with and who to accept as a leader. Men look up to such good men. Incidentally these are often different men than those most women find attractive (except for the rare super Alpha bucks who is both).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 04:28 AM
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Classical patriarchy with enforced monogamy and strong mutual obligations is a conspiracy between beta bucks billy and Stacy to put the yoke on Chad and Becky. The political system that most closely protects this kind of social order are social market economics, which would probably be classified as center-left (except nobody really does that anymore in most western countries). This system is also the choice of Beckies and Chads with a long-term view...since societies with a healthy amount of in…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 07:40 PM
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Not just looks, also confidence/dominance. There are also traits that actually increase a man's status in the eyes of women that are actively hated or disapproved off in the male hierarchy. Violent criminals are a very good example of that. Which is why I think that men need to settle their own business amongst each other without giving too much of a fuck what women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 02:21 PM
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Naisu! Well, that settles that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 01:34 PM
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Not really, it's not a cohesive group and movement. A lot of the people and thoughts over there make a lot of sense, and I am not ashamed to say that I sympathize with these people and would count myself among them if I actually had the gall to walk away from women entirely, which I haven't. But I understand. Which is why I was surprised that the cooler heads and anti-consumerists there, the reasonable MGTOW were so outnumbered by the angry Trumpists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 01:17 PM
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I love my pro wrestling and I will gladly Michinoku Driver anyone who disagrees (well, not really, legal ramifications and all, but it's the thought that counts) :D
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 01:12 PM
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They are very high status in the male hierarchy. Which is as it should be - but women have their own ranking system for men. I will agree with you though that this system, while interesting for some aspects, is useless for running society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 01:10 PM
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I don't know about that - I mean yeah, she's being utilized and used as a figurehead, and yeah, it's an appeal to emotion over logic. I also get and sympathize with the anger most people feel when they realize someone is trying to manipulate them and the wish to do the opposite out of spite. Fuck people trying to be clever and pulling puppet strings when they could just lay out their case and/or fucking ASK. But - politics as a whole has become a dishonest bullshit business. The climate activist…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 05:13 PM
2

I never got this strategy. If you’re worried he’s a quid pro quo guy who expects sex for dinner, you should let him pay 100% so that you can find out if he’s that type of guy immediately and then if he is, run away and ghost him. Why would you want to find out much later, after investing time in him? Chances are he's gonna react disappointed or annoyed when you're not letting him "buy you" anyway. I mean yeah, sure, testing him by suckering him, so to speak, to get a clearer reading could be a t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 05:04 PM
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A lot of violent crime is perpetrated on people who seem like easy victims/like they wouldn't fight back seriously. Women who are used to set boundaries and have "momentum" (so positive experience with setting boundaries and having them be respected) will seem less vulnerable - which might, now and then, cause a rapist to seek an easier target. I mean when it comes down to brass tacks 90% of women can't do much against a physically powerful man once he's actually made the decision to rape them v…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 04:33 PM
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It's one of the smallest bits to be sure, but having a consistent "frame" helps a woman, too - especially if it's not outright rape but rather manipulating her into sex she regrets later or pressuring her into sex. Heading that shit off early seems sensible, and a lot easier than outright saying no later on if she's conflict-averse and the guy is pressuring her. Not just about violent rape, really, but generally keeping themselves safe for women. Besides, I as a man don't really have an issue wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 04:18 PM
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The thing with going dutch on dates I took as an example of avoiding covert contracts/expectations - meaning that some men think women are indirectly trading favours for sex, more or less. Not letting men you don't feel comfortable being involved with do significant favours keeps them at a little bit more of a distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 04:10 PM
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Problem is there will always be wrong ones. You can't eliminate them entirely, and it seems reckless to forego a viable option to control them if it's available. Kinda like in traffic where you always go a little slower or more careful to give yourself a chance to react if the others make a mistake. Take responsibility for yourself and do what you can to keep yourself safe. Rapist are bad people. Women who make it easy for rapists are reckless. Those are not mutually exclusive statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:46 PM
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It's not a short-term solution at all, but learn to fight in a kickboxing or MMA gym, or some Wing Chun, Krav Maga or what have you. Not a traditional martial art but combat oriented brutal and effective stuff. It'll improve your chances in an actual fight, but more importantly give you the calm and confidence that makes you not give off a victim vibe. In the short term though...if you're not safe neither is your bicycle (might get stolen or tires slashed or bullshit like that). Is there an alte…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:32 PM
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The Mr. Ham (it's a very bad and complicated German+Japanese pun) is awesome. I was on the Nozomi super-express to Osaka from Tokyo. It rules - so quiet, comfortable and fast (less than 4h), and still very affordable. The downside is that some use it to literally commute from 150km away. That shouldn't really be the way this is used, but as a general rule I would vastly prefer a bullet train network like Japans in most of Europe to cut back on all the domestic flights. With those speeds given al…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:27 PM
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We actually agree on something for once. Yeah, it's much the same in my european country, a lot of the investments in the last few decades went into car-centric infrastructure and sprawl at the expense of mass transit and long-term urban planning - and now we have to play catch-up to save energy and CO2 because of the over-reliance on cars - and long commutes. I mean it's not like reducing the dependency on fossil fuels is not also going to strengthen a country's political and strategic position…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:24 PM
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Pretty much 100% agree. What surprised me even more is that the MGTOW-sub, which usually has at least a decent subset of anti-consumerist people, was pretty united on the Greta-hate. I mean...she's not lying. She's arguing in good faith, which is more than can be said about most right-wing populists these days. It's not like she seems to be enjoying this shit. Or really doing it for herself. Climate change is very likely a real and significant problem (and we can't really ignore it on the off-ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:19 PM
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True. But it also means that there is a demographic of women available to over-the-top psycho assholes, but not such thing for unsuccessful, unmanly guys (not talking highly socially skilled effeminate guys like petrichordium). Which just goes to show that while being a violent, controlling asshole is not a desirable trait it's nowhere near as important as several other qualifiers - some of which (like status) indirectly select for assholes. Many women are looking for men who have high status or…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 09:48 AM
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Yes I’m sure all those Saudi women fleeing the country away from their abusive husbands and being tracked down and drug back like dogs just have to “be nicer” to men and somehow that will fix all their toxic bullshit. Or maybe men are just pervasively assholes. How do you explain Jihad-groupies, meaning western women (or westernized daughters of immigrants) voluntarily travelling to Syria to marry ISIS fighters a few years ago? Were there men behind them making them do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 06:17 AM
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because everyone on the internet is somehow white by default. Shit, just think of all the times you ranted at me under the assumption I was white. Shit, I thought you were, too. Guilty as charged!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 06:09 AM
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Women have no idea how men are made. They will often disparage men who put themselves into a temporary slump to "invest" (since their value drops at that very moment) - and/or give 5/10 men who aren't anywhere near the point where they can build themselves into a chad ceaseless shit. You act as if women were these amazing life coaches and that female sexual selection encourages the best in men. That is not the case. Sure, getting lazy or discouraged in sight of the goal line is one thing, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 09:24 PM
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But that's mostly technology becoming cheaper and more reliable. Most of what would be needed to automate a lot of white collar jobs and desk monkey jobs already exists, it just requires too much expertise to set up (as you've pointed out) or is too expensive for smaller operations. But the wave of early-adopters who are already running the trials as we speak will pay and help the development to mass-market level. I'm not even mad either, I find the disdain even the most expendable white collar …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 12:07 PM
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Some aspects of it, such as weaning yourself off female validation, are very helpful to fix yourself as a not-so-successful man, whether or not you're going back eventually or whether you stay MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 10:19 AM
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Things like data entry, routine analysis with spreadsheets etc. - a lot of it could already be replaced by using 1 worker with good IT-infrastructure and a bunch of scripts instead of 3 people using whatever hodgepodge has naturally grown over time. But yeah, once unified data standards come along (or translation protocols) so the automated systems of companies can track goods, payments etc. without human interface and once AI takes over routine jobs...it'll happen because it will become so stup…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:25 AM
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I mostly agree with the post WW2-USA becoming a spectacle and what not, but it wasn't the nukes, but sheer economic power. WW2 was won in the battles of eastern europe and on US-American assembly lines. The sheer amount of supplies, weapons and material the US provided to the British and the Soviets propped them up against the onslaught of the Germans in 1941. If not for that the Blitzkrieg might have actually succeeded and Adolf (the moron) would have ruled Europe. This economic power was the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:21 AM
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They were given a bit more than that. You haven't even addressed my points really, and it's not like their husbands and fathers punched and raped them non-stop...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 04:48 PM
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"Women and children first" -> meaning that low-ranking men are expected to die for women when push comes to shove, including the fact that low-ranking (and also usually young) men got the most dangerous and brutal work "Support and provision" -> women who subject to male control have their basic needs taken care off or get to partake in their men's wealth. This, admittedly, was a pretty raw deal for the wives of less successful men who still work nearly as much, and while their work was less dan…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 04:10 PM
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Still - even with, say, 4 men fucking 7 women in various arrangements it's basically 1.75 women per man. It's polygyny of sorts, albeit without stable relationships and commitment. Qouting my reply to another post in this thread - as long as women outnumber the men in these arrangements by a significant margin you have a very similar net effect. Both in terms of how much attention/commitment/resources the women are actually getting and in terms of the effects on men on the fringe of these arrang…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 04:04 PM
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Apex fallacy. Low-ranking men were treated quite badly back then, too, just because the rich and influential men lived a better life at the expense of women (which they did) doesn't men all men did. It was more like Powerful men > Women > powerless men And for the record: Since one man can impregnate multiple women while a woman can only be pregnant once at the same time, it's logistically easier to control sexuality as a whole by controlling female sexuality. You're not safe unless you control …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 03:57 PM
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Still - even with, say, 4 men fucking 7 women in various arrangements it's basically 1.75 women per man. It's polygyny of sorts, albeit without stable relationships and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 03:48 PM
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Not a Terper, but I think the claim is more akin to a) the control and restriction of women being balanced out by privileges and special considerations (the benevolent side of sexism) and that women in patriarchal societies are actually more content. Not that they're not oppressed (as in restricted freedom etc.), but that this "oppression" is not actually a bad thing for them. I partially agree with this claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 03:47 PM
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Well, except for the virgin + formal marriage thing, it's still multiple women being in relationships with fewer men. Granted these aren't permanent relationships, but neither is marriage these days, so...soft harems are essentially inofficial polygyny (one man, multiple female partners), and it's driven by female sexual selection. Old-style polygyny was driven by male power dynamics and oppression (of women and lower-ranking men), true, but it's been somewhat surprising, I think, that even with…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 03:43 PM
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Depending on the severity of the divorce and the cost...a divorce that sets a middle-aged man back for over half his net-worth (her half + adversarial judge who is very much in favour of the ex-wife + lawyer costs) and keeps him away from his children for the most part is BRUTAL. His standard of living falls from middle class to being happy if he has a roof over his head, a car and can feed himself, his family life is wrecked and he barely has the time or resources to line up something new. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 09:00 PM
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I read the autobiography of Anthony Kiedis, and while I assume that he was embellishing a little the guy was slaying, even during the time when he was hooked on cocaine and heroin, so yeah. I guess these fucked up people exude the right behavioural cues... But then, he didn't really look like shit even when he was pretty unhealthy. I think there is a minimum standard of looks even for these self-destructive people to "pull". They certainly no longer do if they look like washed-up junkies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 11:53 AM
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Actually agree. I used to have a hard time gaining weight until I actually set my mind to it. Then had a hard time shedding excess weight - until I put my mind to it. The body is pretty malleable if one is disciplined and willing to suffer discomfort to reshape it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 11:51 AM
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Probably, yeah. I'm from central Europe, and while men running around bare-chested (outside areas where it's "normal" like the beach or maybe a gym) is considered cheap or vulgar by many people it's no big deal. So there's basically a minimal amount of male modesty expected and also protected, and a little more for women. Again, a woman running around in a bikini is about the same as a bare-chested man - okay at the beach, kinda cheap/vulgar in normal areas, but ultimately no big deal. I guess i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 10:04 AM
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Pretty much. I also don't really care about my modesty and I don't feel threatened at all. Sometimes I might even want to show off. So male modesty is mostly not a thing because most men in the west don't care. This is a cultural thing though, there are places on this planet where modesty in general is more of a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 09:53 AM
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Everyone gets to make choices. The difference is whether they have the initiative - basically who gets to choose first and who gets to react. Most women get to choose first and most men react. That the overall dynamic still gives men nearly half the power and that the overall state of the game is fucked doesn't mean that women didn't have more power or agency initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 05:34 AM
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That's the typical problem that arises when only 20% of the men are truly attractive women and some 40% more are conditionally attractive - while 80% of the women are attractive to men. The "fuckable" women outnumber the attractive men, so those few attractive men have a lot of abundance and don't actually have to compromise with any but the most attractive women to get what they want. Meanwhile the conditionally attractive (like 5/10 to 8/10) men have to jump through hoops and make an effort to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 04:43 AM
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You mean 20 something "hot" woman. Its exactly the same for a 20 something "hot" guy. They can both easily get casual sex. But so can the average, non-ugly 20yo woman - not the average 20yo man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 03:10 AM
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A bit like this older short story: Kurt Vonnegut - Harrison Bergeron Where equality is achieved by pulling down everyone to a lower level. That's the other side of the coin, and yeah, it's also what's driving society down the shitter (nearly everywhere in the west), but it's not the only thing. But yeah, someone else's failure will not make anyone more successful or better, and undermining someone because he's too successful is moronic in most cases. However there is such a thing as bad competit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 11:43 AM
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America goes broke (doesn't burn, just gradually falls behind economically and eventually culturally) because people worship inequality and a sharp division between "losers" and "winners". People are trying to improve their station more by undermining others than by their own excellence, and to become richer by exploitation instead of hard work. That shit is coming home to roost, basically, and it's been happening for a few decades already. Since the global hegemony of the US is no longer a bene…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 12:04 PM
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The end of civilization and acceleration to the downfall of the american empire, basically. I'm actualy on board with the latter, the former not so much, and you do sound insufferable. Nice. Probably some rich parents, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 04:18 PM
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Probably yes, even though men and women look for different things in each other. But hey, female me is still smart, has her own money and takes care of herself, that's a pretty solid combination. Also similar interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 04:12 PM
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Yeah, I imagine the scenario in that post was pretty similar, and it's pretty rage-inducing tbh. American family courts are out of their minds letting this happen.
/r/MGTOW17/09/19 02:29 PM
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Brainfart. Sorry. I obviously misread.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:43 PM
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EDIT: I apparently suck at reading and or thinking tonight. My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 06:24 PM
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All unregulated societies eventually revert to oligarchies, and all unregulated markets eventually become an extension of that, basically a cartel with some crumbs left over for the rest (until the next technological revolution). This is, mind you, not a desirable state, and unfettered capitalism has lead to the downfall of the british empire and the decline of the american one. Beaten, I might add, in the former case by economies with far more government control and equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 04:50 PM
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Maybe I was. To be fair I was probably worse (was diagnosed with ADHD later in life, although I'm fairly certain that I'm some sort of high-functioning autist instead). Probably a bit harder to deal with me than with some others. As far as learning speed goes I wouldn't know since I was...let's say abnormal as far as intelligence was concerned, and as a consequence also mostly surrounded myself with similar people, so it's hard to compare. Still, I'd say that boys usually do worse on average, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 01:51 PM
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The way you even couch the beta male's "correct choice" is borderline insulting. Beta men (especially those in the 2nd and 3rd 5th, so the 5/10 to 8/10 betas) are going MGTOW or at least avoiding marriage and commitment because the exchange rate for their beta bux tanked. It's getting harder and harder to earn a decent middle class income and the women you get are older, uglier, and you're much further down the line (23rd choice instead of 4th or 5th). More effort for a lower payout. Their deal …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 10:56 AM
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Unicorn-cosplay tricks the poor man into beta-buxxing too. That 35yo that is magically all over poindexter, at least until he put a ring on it and a kid in it? Yeah. Also: Smart juicing is not always obvious, and even if it is, if even a small subset of women digs it and wants to fuck the dude he probably has more options than before. Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 05:28 AM
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I'm a white european. I'd say that's pretty close to my culture, although I'm not anglo. She's a 7-8, looks-wise. That's not bad at all, but her hawtness is not what got her that royal husband. Rather it's a) poise and bearing - she complements her man's display of sophistication and status b) reputation and behaviour - giving the appearance of making good choices, being loyal and supportive to her husband c) femininity - In the classical sense that she complements a masculine man Basically the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 05:25 AM
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I admit my experience is pretty limited, mostly to nephews and a few outings with the kid's group in the Karate club where I also work as assistant trainer, so most of that is from observation, but also memory. I was a shitbag as a kid, too, and so were some others, but during elementary my teacher, an old-school battleaxe, had us well in hand. She was firm though (non-violent, mind you, but she took no shit).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 05:16 AM
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A "power trough" is a term from gaming theory when analyzing classes, games or strategies. Usually it's for something that starts out strong and also has a good "late game/high level" state later on, but a stretch in the middle where it's underpowered or weak. That stretch in the middle is the power trough - for men that would be 13-21, during which they are weaker, on average, than their female peers. Trade training has the stigma of being lower class or UMC in my country (but, ironically, is h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 05:13 AM
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Kate Middleton isn't hot in the classical sense but very well dressed, with impeccable manners and a very good reputation. Either of these things could the result of hard work or "good breeding", but there's a fair chance some of these things didn't come cheap and/or were "touched up" by her wealthy family. Same with other heiresses and princesses - you can bet a lot of them have personal stylists, expensive training and/or people to bury evidence of prior transgressions or trash-tier prior love…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 08:43 PM
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Steroids do a lot more than "just" build bigger muscles (although they can do that). They can also help cut body-fat, increase vascularity (essentially visible veins) or increase endurance and regeneration. They can be used to put high-calibre athletes over the top, but they can also be used to make people who do 5-7h of exercise per week look like people who do 15. In the long term doing the 15 is better, or even accepting one's 7/10 looks - but the later means foregoing an important competitiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 08:23 PM
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You don't NEED them. Just as you don't need makeup or well-cut clothes to get attention from attractive men, but it sure helps. Being in good shape (low-ish body fat, wide shoulders, strong forearms) sure helps. It's not a surefire thing, but it is another leg up over the competition, and competiton among men in the 7-9/10 range is fierce. Maybe it is an uncomfortable truth that not all but a lot of the men who women get with lie and cheat and steal to get there, and that thus selection criteria…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 08:03 PM
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"regular" as in athletic guy you know from the gym or, say, minor league baseball or flag football? Somewhat ripped but not over-the-top shredded? Yeah, he might actually be roiding, especially if he looks that way without investing a shit-ton of effort into nutrition and workout. Just as there is no foolproof way to distinguish between "naturals" and good terps there is no foolproof way to catch the literally millions of people in the US or Europe currently juicing. Intense competition for bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 07:42 PM
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A good portion of amateur athletes (at least in my european country) are actually juicing, and we're talking around 30% even in the minor leagues where no money is at stake. Most of them are not roiding elephant syringes up the ass, but they do take performance enhancing drugs at least semi-regularly. It's nowhere near as rare as people think among athletes and even amateur bodybuilders.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 07:11 PM
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You serious? No really....serious? I am at a loss for words to express just how wrong this statement seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 06:52 PM
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Well, I meant it in the sense of boys and girls mostly avoiding each other and not interacting with one another. This at least eliminates one potential source of stress - once that stuff comes on top of that it's getting even worse, but I think little boys before puberty are...manageable (provided the teachers have enough authority/respect). The problem isn't anywhere near as severe as with boys in puberty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 06:00 PM
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Although to be fair Kindergarten until even elementary school is fairly segregated (voluntarily) and not rated anywhere near as hard. Grades from (depending on the country) last year of primary education (junior high in murrica) to secondary (senior high) matter a whole lot more. Of course if the classroom is even more biased towards compliance and quiet discipline (which are less suited for men regardless of age) then it's possible for men to mentally check out beforehand ("treating boys like d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 02:59 PM
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The biggest issue I see now is that boys are grouped with girls who tend to have more developed minds as well as impulse control (I'm generalizing here but I believe most teachers would back me up). The boys can't compete and this may be causing what the OP is observing in young people in their twenties. This is definitely true for ages 15-20. Which is when SATs, scholarships, high school degrees etc. are decided, and with a comparably front-loaded system of tertiary education, where careers are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 07:21 AM
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It's true as well. Women reach full mental maturity in their late teens to early twenties, men in their mid-to-late twenties. There is a fair amount of indication that they mature to a higher level, eventually, but pushing education at the female pace still means men are in their "power trough" through the most important years of high school and maybe even early uni/college. Problem is, of course, that this means that the potential of these men is largely underutilized to the detriment of all, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 07:19 AM
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Technically this is still in the male's interest - kind of like a costly thing you want anyway. And I would agree with u/highspergyme in so far as relationships aren't a zero-sum game and there is a net positive. It's just that current society empowers women to the point where they not only get to hog the entire "surplus" of the relationship but actively improve their lot even further at the expense of normal men - and the exact opposite is true when dealing with Chad, who in turn can exploit wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 06:14 AM
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Fair enough - and a portion of that might very well be muscle, too. In terms of personal preference I'd like people I'm with to have a decent, healthy weight and be able to move around normally. If they weight isn't all flab that definitely gives some leeway. But if it works for you and your husband that's really all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 08:11 AM
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Yeah. Marriage became mostly worthless for men 2 decades ago, now women are catching up - but either way no-fault divorce and generally undermining the marriage contract does no one any favours.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 06:19 AM
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Oof. I mean that's like 170ish lbs at 5'1" or 2"? That might be average, but it's not that attractive, at least not to me. I'm a vain mofo and into working out and counting my calories, so I'm in decent shape. I don't expect quite the same standard in women, but in general I'd want them in a normal-ish weight range, and unless the women is tall, size 14 is probably already obese. I think getting to this point is not good, average or not. It's not a race to the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 01:44 PM
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That's around the borderline for obesity from what I can see unless the women is a tall valkyrie (as in 5'7"+ with muscles, some additional padding optional) kind of person. I'd be concerned in most cases. I mean I live in europe and all that, but from what I've seen on mybodygallery most size 12 women are 1' smaller than me while only being 20lbs lighter...that's quite a bit of distance from a healthy weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:30 AM
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Are you, though? Happy, that is? I'd want relationships to be at least a bit reciprocal, and part of that is maintaining a reasonable amount of looks. And yeah, if your guy gets totally out of hand you'd be well within your rights to insist he get that shit under control. Unless you genuinely don't care - but maybe you care about something else, money, effort, whatever. If he does, in fact, not do anything I don't think it would be necessary to put up with it. People should have reasonable stand…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:24 AM
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That's...a bit extreme, isn't it? I'm 180ish, if I gained 65 I couldn't even imagine how I'd end up looking. Doesn't that change just about all physical characteristics, from looks to health to the way the guy moved? If that happened to ANY woman I'm with I'd definitely have issues with the hydraulics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:16 AM
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N = 5. I'm willing to wait a few dates - more if I feel like she's actually investing energy in the dates - if I do most of the pursuing, texting, setting up the dates etc. I usually can't be bothered anymore after 2-3 dates. If there's more mutual investment and less games I'm willing to wait longer, probably, but it hasn't really come up in recent years.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 10:58 AM
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Okay. You win this one :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 12:54 PM
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Yep. I think those "softbois" can play women so well because they think and act more like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 12:23 PM
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Except that they are so good at emotional manipulation that they actually lots of pussy. Not resentful nice guys, but rather people who think like women and play their script perfectly. I know a softboi, it's one of the weirdest things, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 12:22 PM
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NSFL. I think a few cells in my retina just died.
/r/MGTOW11/09/19 08:57 AM
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I think a lot of men can profit from checking out, at least partially or temporarily - at the very least get a sense of self and removing dependency on female validation. Female criteria for validation quite often do not make for good men, so...go out on your own. Discover yourself. Discover your self worth. And then either stay, or re-engage from a stronger base where what women think of you no longer is of terrible importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 06:44 PM
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Asi-Toni! He's a very, very (over 10 years) old meme in Germany, but it's pretty much undiluted red pills. The guy is a drug-addled, broke and violent dumpster fire, but at the same time the "thug chad" banging all the women out there, and he gives it to us straight and nasty. Everyone, and I say everyone who speaks German should 100% watch this.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/09/19 02:58 PM
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"Be better at being a natural/someone who has been socialized normally" is not viable advice, and if it is paired with disdain and shaming for an alternative strategy that actually works (at least partially), then yes...it's kinda like "If you fail stop whining, try again, and given the odds, keep failing so I can have my peace of mind." That's remarkably solipsistic and callous, methinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 12:22 PM
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Sometimes it's a type thing - there are accents that complement the rest of how a woman presents herself, basically complete the package, and that's pretty nice. I generally like: Irish and Scottish, posh british, with east asians it's hit or miss (heavier accents are not so good, mild accents are a plus), French is a mild plus Most of the rest are more or less dependent on type, I think
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 06:29 AM
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Trust and cooperation are literally the reason why resource-poor countries like those in Scandinavia or Germany have a good economy and working society. Cooperation is based on the assumption that others are not deceptive or deliberately out to take advantage of you. The market-liberal "I'll do whatever I can get away with" erodes this very basis of society. That simple. And there is a state where most people act like this, it's basically anarcho-capitalist dream country. Called...Somalia, I thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 05:56 PM
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This is gonna catch some flak, but eh...Respect - to me respect is necessary for an LTR. I don't need to respect her for casual sex or friendship or whatever, but respect means that I trust her self-control, reasoning and ethics to a large degree. As such: a) Monkey-branching/serial Monogamy. I see that and I don't want none and I personally also lose respect towards them as a person. It's very disrespectful towards the men they're dealing with and often also short-sighted. Meh. b) Having sex wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 05:45 PM
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Try to fix the relationship or work on it. If that doesn't work one can still bounce, but chances are that with serial monogamists they're leaving as soon as the new relationship energy is depleted, time and time again.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 07:19 PM
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I'll look again later tomorrow (have an exam to prepare for), but off the cuff I remember there was a study that high-ranking university students started having sex much later (sometimes well into their 20s) and generally had fewer partners on average when they were asked - partially because they're too busy, no doubt, but still. I'll look for more data, too, but from what I can remember the most sexually successful and attractive young adults were those with slightly above-average intelligence,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 06:36 PM
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I read about this several times in the past, but I found these studies after a quick search: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22369334 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Competence+as+a+predictor+of+sexual+and+reproductive+health+outcomes+for+youth%3A+a+systematic+review https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10706169 If necessary I'll search a bit more, but yes, smart kids have less sex, quite likely because they can be taught not to have sex. I'd also assume that low-intelligence childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 06:16 PM
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in those situations red pillers feel cheated. That's what I think you're missing OP. Partially because casual sex plays into men's sexual strategy more, while a monogamous committed relationship is a concession to the female sexual strategy. So the LTR guy not only gives women more of what they want (at a small expense to himself), he also has to measure up to a higher standard...and might get to do less of the "fun" stuff. That's a bit like paying your interns better than a fully trained worker…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 08:18 PM
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Although given a choice between Corbyn and BoJo over here, I can’t really throw stones. I do believe one Zack Sabre Jr. expresses it in quite a lovely manner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqSeKg8LQQ0&t=30 But yeah, politics are fucked in most of the world. My country isn't doing much better...Our centre left party is trying its best to rush itself into irrelevance and it's a matter of time before right-wing populists are part of governments on the state or even federal level, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 11:03 AM
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Oh yeah, Trump is corrupt, which is why I wrote "even more so than Trump". His incompetence is the only thing that keeps him from being more corrupt. The one thing that makes me the most livid is how he routinely stiffed his construction contractors out of money by abusing the legal system (settle out of court for 70% or go broke trying to fight this in court), but then the US legal system is a dumpster fire of epic proportions that is easier to abuse than use correctly and should have been refo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 09:02 AM
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Not uppity. Utterly corrupt (-> see DNC Shenanigans, collusion with the Saudis, Benghazi etc.) and somewhat evil. I mean Hillary Rodham Clinton, unlike Trump, is not incompetent, far from it. But she is very, very corrupt, even more so than Trump. The USA were fucked either way once the primaries were over. That said, the one thing I hoped Trump would do the public didn't let him (mend fences with the russians). Who knew that decades of propaganda would have lasting effects? Huh. Weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 04:28 AM
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Personality is important for passing through a man's gate for LTRs. Not for getting sex, but I think that's obvious...really classical alpha males usually want feminine women. Other men are looking for other traits - and everyone is an individual. Still, it's a numbers game in a way and some traits work with more people. I personally don't really want a feminine woman, at least not so much, but I'm pretty beta, so eh. I guess having an atypical "type"/image does mean you play to a different mark…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 07:50 PM
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Not quite - but yeah, everyone wants to maximize their objectives or rather get a good deal, as it were? Problem is that women and men are on different trajectories. Women's SMV is very front-loaded (reaching peak when they're still pretty young, arguably before brain maturity and experience allow them to properly manage that power), while men reach their peak in their middle age. Women do best from 15-35, men from 30-50. Apart from a small overlap in the middle, literally one or the other has t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 07:42 PM
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I mean given how SMV works for most people, especially men who don't have shitloads of inherited wealth, women will be vastly more attractive in their early 20s while the men will usually have little game and only be in the starting stages of a career. A 21yo woman who dates a man who will be her equal at 35 would be dating down quite a bit - and the man at that point would probably still be in school or at the very beginning of his career (school and college in the US actually tend to be shorte…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 04:30 PM
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I personally (although I'm not murrican) rooted for Trump, too - well, after Bernie got fucked over by the DNC. I would have vastly preferred a reasonable republican over Trump, or just about any Democratic candidate over Shillary, but with those two going head-to-head I was actually rooting for the first orange president. Of course that was before the depths of Trump's incompetence became obvious, so in hindsight I might have been stupid, but the feeling of going up against an establishment tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 11:29 AM
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The progressive left is FAR too self-assured. Just because things have been going their way the last 3 decades does not mean they will keep doing so - and yet they've ramped up their aggression and are more shameless than ever. Richard Spencer is a genuine fascist. Milo is a troll. In both cases though it wasn't just the hysterical screaming or the punch - it was the utter self-righteousness and lack of self-reflection with which they were delivered. The same thing, I might add, Jordan Peterson …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 09:26 PM
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So much this. The torrent of shaming language that you got if you identified with Gamergate or expressed your frustrations with the current state of affairs as a young man (especially if you were also poor) was unreal. Trying to suppress genuine and justified concerns in this fashion practically drove people into the arms of Breitbart etc. Previously mostly moderate, center-left people I might add. Who would have thought divisive power politics (i.e. groups of journalists using their platforms f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 08:05 PM
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Classical example of a trait that is good individually but bad for society as a whole. Individual low-empathy alpha males do well for themselves (and are the best model for the African steppe in older times), but groups of beta males outperform more "alpha" tribes to such a crushing degree that this "negative" trait actually succeeded. The most successful societies in central and northern Europe (which was until the late 20th century the theatre of the most sustained and brutal warfare in human …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 11:52 AM
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They need to be just a little smarter than the women they're chasing (because every little bit of superiority helps), smart enough to be competent, but not so much so that they are in their head too much or have a hard time relating to normal people (which is definitely a thing). This is why I think 115 plus or minus a bit is the sweet spot. The additional competence (and capacity for manipulation) helps chadding it up, but by and large these are still "normal" people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 11:42 AM
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It's kinda weird that you're arguing over definitions when you have the "no pill" flair but are, in fact, one of the most radically blue-pilled people on this sub. But that's neither here nor there. You'll find that, much like other groups, red-pillers are not homogenous. There are disingenuous and deceptive, but also pretty smart and consistent ones - and ones that are very unapologetic (like Atlas) about what they perceive as human nature and themselves. With the former it's a case of bad peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 08:18 AM
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He isn't. He usually sits around the 110-120 range in IQ, but then standardized tests are the product of both intelligence and effort. And I will give Chad one thing: Most of them are more driven or industrious than the average schlub, they work for what they want (good SAT and college included - well, that and fucking). Also coming from good UMC or UC backgrounds helps education-wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 08:11 AM
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I was with you until the normal person bit. First of there is no clear definition for it, and secondly it doesn't seem like a personal flaw to not want to be one *shrug*
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 08:06 AM
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Oh, I wasn't going Jordan Peterson here - the major source of misery these days is people operating on wrong assumptions about how dating and the other sex work. Mainly because in between Disney and feminist indoctrination people are fed some pretty bad ideas. Bonus points if they don't have a father or an absentee father. I spent much of my 20s unfucking myself from that state. There's some correlation with at least limiting the video games and whatnot, but that was not the main problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 03:25 AM
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Replace with whatever generic name you want. You're russian (I think), and it's the generic name there. Could be Pierre, Stefan, Muhammad, Brad, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 06:20 PM
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We're talking mostly insecurity, anxiety, obsessiveness - not really the sexy stuff. There are very smart dark triad people, and they absolutely run 'em through, but normal highly intelligent people are the kind who overthink things and stand in their own way through excess empathy and what not. Also, since they're more malleable/able to learn, absorb harmful blue-pill stuff more thoroughly. IQ 90 basic Vladimir does better by being too stupid to learn the blue pill and running stone-age proto r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 06:14 PM
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Really high intelligence is also associated with less mental stability and slews heavily towards beta traits. I know a few IQ 130+ people, and while a two are are absolutely slaying, a lot of them aren't. A higher percentage of IQ 115 are doing well with women, at least from what and who I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 06:05 PM
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IQ between 110 and 125. Beyond that sexual success drops fairly rapidly. Actual geniuses fare about as well as people who are borderline retarded. Otherwise I'd probably agree. Well, add some good self-control to the Stacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 02:30 PM
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A lot of the benevolent sexism we see is a remnant, of sorts, of patriarchal mores, with men giving women certain privileges and allowances in exchange for the various rights women lose - meaning men protect women and provide for women even outside their immediate family to some extent to maintain what is, essentially, an asset to men in general. For example dealing with threats to women as threats to the group, or, say, forcing the Alpha fucks who knocked a woman up to actually marry her and pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 07:01 PM
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Paraphrasing - Systems in practice are rarely ever what it says on the tin 100% this. Hierarchies and black markets have this way of springing up in socialist countries, re-creating wealth distribution by how much of the actual valuable stuff people can get past the official system (via connections or black marketeering). Meanwhile pure capitalism doesn't really exist and current-day formally capitalist states like the US or some european countries actually make the market less free to the advan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 06:42 PM
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The main downfall I see with this is that, initially, this plays very strongly into the male sexual imperative. Not all, but a lot of men WANT to sell this idea to impressionable young women because it makes fucking these highly attractive young women easier for them. Then there are women who might, or might not, be happy with their casual-sex-heavy past - and particularly the latter might preach it in a bid to make herself feel better about her choices (even though it makes people follow them i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 06:33 PM
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Hmm yeah, this breakdown of the sexual market is definitely part of a larger picture involving culture and economics as well. Reducing it to that is probably not smart... I mean I came here after getting an atomic red-pilling from a romantic interest of mine, and a year on MGTOW (which I am still pretty fond of), so I was already purple-pilled basically (not going full red because it seems too cynical for me). I believed all the blue pill crap too in my early twenties, and it made my dealings wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 07:44 PM
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I guess having a niche sexuality is better these days. I mean not only your appearance, but also your tastes are more niche, and it's kinda cool things work out for you. Many, many people though, especially in the mainstream, are not terribly happy with this state of affairs - I, for one, doubt many of the women in that Tinder-shitstorm from the article mentioned are happier this way than in the usual 1-5 serious relationships leading into marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 07:19 PM
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Yeah, people who come from social circles where the rot hasn't yet taken hold, or people who learn early and fix their shit. Like the economic middle class it's probably getting smaller though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 07:16 PM
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And so you have a bunch of jaded chads and frustrated incels - and some lucky or smart people who avoid both extremes of the distribution. It's not a healthy dynamic by any means and probably creates a lot less overall happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 05:52 PM
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The fact is that female violence on males usually takes the form, one way or another, of "Let's you and him fight." 100% this. Some women LOVE men fighting over them, and even go as far as engineering situations in which this happens. It's actually somewhat dangerous and often underestimated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 05:03 PM
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What sane individual would believe in "blank slates"? The truth is somewhere between genetic determinism (although a good number of traits are genetically influences and/or bound to sex) and cultural/behavioural conditioning (the "nurture" part of nature vs. nature). And weird stuff like epigenetics that is somewhere in between both of those. As a man I have a lot more sex drive and aggression than the average woman. I own that shit, even relish it to a certain point, even though it's on a tight…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 05:00 PM
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Let's just say there are few men who've never tried. They just quit eventually, and much of it is due to masculinity being a learned skill and the dating market being less forgiving than it has been in quite a while. Japanese MGTOWs just had a lot more incentive to nope out, but the same thing is happening here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 04:48 PM
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The ratio of effort to effect is too bad and there is too much frustration involved - plus a good chunk of them frankly have no idea how this goes and no one is telling them (and some are even actively and maliciously misleading them). So they know it's uncomfortable, takes a lot of effort and probably doesn't pay off...and just say "fuck it" and do things that actually give them some sort of satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 02:59 PM
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She's being edgy. In a mostly dumb way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 04:44 AM
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I think that's pretty much the best one can do, yeah. Give her a good example and enough information to make informed choices without being too pushy - and then hope she makes smart choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 07:33 PM
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That statistics includes divorced men. It SUCKS to be divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 04:11 AM
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I had knee pain for a while because the muscles in my leg were cramped up and too tense (basically pulling the patella down into the knee). Doing stretches for the calves, thighs and hamstrings as well as supplementing electrolytes didn't solve the problem entirely, but ameliorated it considerably. Mind you, if it's a severe and lasting problem you probably need a doctor, but hey, maybe this helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 04:07 AM
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Hmmm. Can't say that's my experience, or from my immediate surroundings. Sure, she gets a bit of a bump if there is a "consensus" about her hotness, she might be something of a status bump - and yeah, men will be willing to go a bit further to get with her if they have immediate competition. All of this is true, and all of this depends on other men WANTING to fuck her (badly enough they'd actually expend time and effort). If she does actually go for one of the guys, however, this resets, or poss…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:48 PM
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I sincerely doubt they do it to catch their future wives though, it's mostly an ego thing if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 05:24 PM
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Possible. Has this ever resulted in an actual relationship though (Lasting longer than 3 months)? I don't know, I consider myself beta, and I even turned down opportunities to have women monkey branch to me, much less actively pursue women in relationships...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 05:11 PM
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8 inches? Holy crap. Am I supposed to date gnomes, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 04:30 PM
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Being someone's ex-girlfriends is a mild drawback in that guy's immediate social circle, but not much more or less than that. Being known for being, shall we say, sexually available will get a woman shitloads of attention (as will crass sexualizing displays, twerking Miley Cyrus-style) - but it's either from desperate and unsuccessful men OR high quality men who then, however, have nothing long-term in mind. Women having sex with other men will never make them more attractive to the vast majorit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 04:16 PM
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A marriage-oriented women would thus be smart to consider men with 2-digit N-counts as risky and potentially avoid them. ...is something I wrote. I'm curious how you think this is actually in opposition to the point you're making in the OP? I'm softening and qualifying the point, but I'm not disputing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 03:36 PM
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Even the carousel riders usually fuck Chad or Tyrone, non Jim-bob ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 03:32 PM
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There is one opposing factor for men (which doesn't really apply to women), pre-selection. Because women are usually picky about who they have sex with (and men aren't - which is why pre-selection works only one way). This means that a man who has been with other women demonstrates that he is desirable - and given that male attractiveness is also a question of behaviour and status, qualities not immediately visible, this pre-selection is a pretty powerful thing. A thing that, theoretically, make…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 03:24 PM
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That's what they say. Not what they do. Which is one of the biggest problem kind beta men have. You tell them they're doing the right thing, that what they do should work....and then it doesn't. Boom.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 07:01 AM
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Makes sense. Can you even stop taking advantage of people, or is that...hard-wired, more or less?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 06:59 AM
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The entire general concept women on this sub post basically boils down to "Your problems are your problems, my problems are our problems" Well said. Really well said. Thing is there is even one set of assumptions where this is consistent behaviour - when men are the actual leaders and people assume they're actually so much better at solving problems that they're needed to solve women's problems, too. But good luck getting anyone to admit that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 06:43 AM
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Honestly this is precisely why this sub turned me more red. I shied away from the red a bit because it's cynical, but the thoughtless cynicism and hamstering I encounter here, even from a lot of the better female posters, feeds this impression. It's like a big value pack of red pills rammed straight down your throat. Don't get me wrong, men (me included) aren't saints by a long shot, but some of the female nature I've seen on display here is not pretty to look at.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 06:08 AM
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If you consider the strength of the male sex drive and just how much men get motivated by pussy this is a real problem. A lot of men, even good men, would prefer a decade of fucking highly attractive women during their twenties to a decade of near nothing followed by a stable LTR. And that's what's on the menu. Strong incentive to turn asshole (if one even can).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 06:03 AM
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I would agree that the beta husband has the more suitable genes for living in our society and culture, but I'll point out that the narcissist chad got this women to let him impregnate her without offering resources - he might very well have more genetic children than the beta guy. It's not nice, it's not good for society, but if this woman then his children that also have genetic gifts that make them more sexually attractive...I mean it's not nice, it's harmful to the cohesion of society, but it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 04:14 AM
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I can get behind that - still, taken to its extremes it does result in tactics like "probationary plating", which is, at the very least, not particularly nice. But I guess trusting is worth a lot more if people know how bad things can get and offer a certain amount of trust anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 08:36 PM
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Kinda agree with the possibility of being a non-ethical bloop - although those people are usually delusional about their actual motives and actions. That said - a lot of ethics require a high degree of cooperation which, in turn, requires some faith in your fellow men. That faith is often unfounded and quite blue-pilled. Red is, at the very least, the acceptance of a "lower game state", as it were - be that a more guarded approach to dealing with other people or partial withdrawal (MGTOW-style) …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 07:46 PM
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They 100% are. The blue pill promotes faith in other people and cooperation and opens oneself up to being taken advantage off. Quite a few red pill strategies are basically choosing to "defect" at the expense of blue pilled people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 07:27 PM
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It's not a certainty since I'm not a telepath - but let's just say she gave the impression of thinking this was going to have a positive effect (and goad me into action ) - nevermind the fact that a good part of my hesitation came from her a) being very creative and ardent in her denial of any interest (beginner mistake on my end taking that seriously) and b) setting me up to compete with/fight other men over her. She went from one-itis (I know cringe) to someone I was still very attracted to bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 02:59 PM
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One of them reacted shocked to my rejection and tried to get with me again several times.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 02:44 PM
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I get your point in so far as excessive neediness and clinginess is probably not that good either...and sure, people aren't 100% mine or anything, but there are lines I don't want crossed, and people actually crossing them does nothing for me. At all. I absolutely get if the women I want choose other guys. That's entirely their business, we live in a free world (but then I expect them to own those choices, too - I'm not available as a 2nd choice when it doesn't work out), or hell, if my GF also …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 12:06 PM
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Noice.
/r/MGTOW24/08/19 11:42 AM
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Seems like that insecurity might have a very real basis, doesn't it? Besides, relationships aren't perfect, I think most people are prepared to accept some degree of imperfection/not being 100% happy (although if it's down to a recurring issue they should probably work to fix it instead of tolerating that shit) If they're perfectly happy they probably wouldn't even want to know or look for that information. If, however, that information puts some things that are wrong with their current relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 10:08 AM
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This might be projection, or just a radically different point of view, but I for one am VERY uncomfortable with women playing on my jealousy or cheating on me. The one past GF that did that was donezo (to be fair that was her plan, but I had ZERO drive to go after her), and when women who I was pursuing in my past did that to me (bragging about fucking other guys to my face), I bailed (this actually surprised two of them - classical projection, men with options and abundance were attractive to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 10:03 AM
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...or they literally didn't know and once they find out they GTFO? I mean realistically if, and that is if, there was more than a small element of unhappiness they should have done it before, but I absolutely think settling for AND being settled for is bullshit and a waste of time. If they treated their ex better (and no, it's not the single act, but if they, say, no longer do certain things they should make sure to treat you right in many other way. If they don't, well....)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 09:57 AM
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On an individual level it does, theoretically, work. The rapist has little cost unless the woman he rapes infects him with an STD (or well, unless he's punished for the rape). Even if, say, 2/3 of his rape babies die if he does it often enough he has living offspring. That this kind of shit wreaks havoc on a society (which is why we shut it down) is an entirely different thing - it certainly does. But so do, arguably, some of the mate selections going on right now. Individual choice or preferenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 06:59 AM
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Hmmm. I...halfway agree with you. There is some difference in the nuance, though, especially between OP and me. The way I worded this is that I assume that, were I to run into said high-N woman, I feel like I'm already behind/in an unpromising position - and also not in the driver's seat since I'm not the only one who can withdraw from the interaction. Seeing if one is compatible and then seeing if more comes of it SOUNDS the same, but it isn't, necessarily - if that means "dry dates and getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 09:16 PM
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If she's fishing for commitment I won't lie. I will, however, keep her in some sort of probationary status if she does, and chances are she won't be happy with it. Even if she accepts this, if she's too old for me to be able to wait (mid-thirties - If I still want a family I can't afford to wait 1-2 years, which I'd have to with a high-N woman) I have to break things off then and there. My commitment is valuable, and once I give it she has (thanks to current society) little obligation to stay co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 05:33 PM
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And aren't you not looking out for your own interests by passing on a girl that's probably open to having sex with you? If it's just a short-term thing or pump&dump men can afford to be pretty non-judgemental, yeah. I would, too - but if the woman is fishing for commitment I am left with two choices. I can either vet her really hard and put her on probation (which I should if she's high N) - and she might consider that unfair and unreasonable - or I could lie to her and run up her N-count furthe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 05:20 PM
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N-count says a lot about the choices she's made in the past, and a lot of men have a visceral reaction to it that is in no way entirely a product of ego. It's not the be-all end-all of criteria, but it's pretty important and not to be underestimated. I'm not signing up for a relationship in which I'm the last option after what she considers better options have noped out, and my values and opinions don't align with "high sociosexual" people either. Revenge fantasy? Maybe a bit of it, men who beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 05:02 PM
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Total agreement there. It really isn't. But I would absolutely agree that incel-dom is on the rise, as is other men being, shall we say, underappreciated even if they do get some here and there. We live in an age of increased sexual inequality, which is hurting many men and will come around to bite the women, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:08 PM
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Being turned down for sex when they're offering is considered a brutal insult by many women. It's a case of "Am I suddenly not attractive anymore, men should want to fuck me" and "How dare he?", sometimes paired with frustration. The entire thing creates a pretty broken dynamic for dating, with more relationship-oriented men crashing and burning for not being sufficiently aggressive and with relationship-oriented women being put into a position where they can either go farther than they'd like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:06 PM
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Can't even summon any arousal. It's basically a cross between bad pop music and feminist performance art. I couldn't watch it to the end for fear of getting herpegonnosyphillAIDS on my eyeballs. Urgh.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/08/19 02:15 PM
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In a sense he's right, but a lot of those "selected for" reproducing lower class people would die without modern society and welfare state. Maybe beta males are shooting themselves in the foot by not letting trash-tier alpha fucks men and their children starve then...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 06:15 AM
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I personally think that's both partially correct and wrong. A lot of incels think prostitutes don't count because there's no validation, so in that sense it isn't all about the sex. But saying "You just didn't want it enough" and "desire finds a way" is projecting female thought patterns onto males. Women are very much about the initial attraction in their mate selection, and strong desire overcoming their inhibitions. That's not the way things work for men. Knowing how to get your desire and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 06:13 AM
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It's not reasonable, but it's also something that some men actually get, and I've also been ghosted by 2 women before for not being aggressive enough and not trying to fuck them on the first date. It's a weird world out there. Men didn't come up with this expectation on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 06:04 AM
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Answering with the first group of photos (you k-pop weeb you :D ) using my optional yellow fever. 1) Photo 2) Definitely a difference, the second is much more aggressively sexualized... 3) Cute. Both are acts, but aggressive sexualization makes a woman look cheap. Don't get me wrong, it's very effective, but it's definitely tilting things toward more short-term things, which I usually don't bother with. Cute is...going in the right direction for me, if you will. In either case it's a question of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 05:32 AM
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For me this sub had two effects, kind of opposite of each other: It did increase my empathy for some of the problems women face, but it also makes me more red because I realize how irrationally both sexes act and that accounting for these irrationalities is entirely unavoidable. Frustrating, in a certain sense, but also very informative because there is a solution to most problems I individually face, even though I might not like it. Relationships, apparently, involve a lot of manipulation. If t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:46 AM
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That's more or less a technicality if he dates around or is FWB with dozens of women before he settles down. Or a polite fiction. Effectively he's pumping and dumping for most of that time and most of those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:36 AM
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Slut might not be entirely the right word, but knowingly being part of a Harem means it's probably never being going to end up in a committed relationship - and the opportunity cost is that during that time she's not in a good position to angle for such a relationship either. So...it's the conscious choice of a merely sexual thing over a serious relationship. That woman doesn't want to know and isn't looking too hard so she doesn't have to admit to herself that she'd rather get plated by the hot…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:34 AM
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...we're talking 20% losses here. Given how, historically, only about 1 in 4 men (more or less depending on the time period, but still) got to reproduce I'd say it's entirely manageable. Most species of animal that reproduce sexually put the burden of dangerous work, exploration and fighting on males (or have them perform deadly fights over mating rights) for that exact reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 07:51 PM
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Except they are, in a biological sense. One man can impregnate multiple women, women can only be pregnant once. If a group of people loses 20% of their men it will make only a small dent in the numbers of their next generation, if they lose 20% of their women it'll be a major blow to their population. Men as a whole are not more expendable, individual men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 07:30 PM
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Well, I'd say yes - in the sense that I, for example, think dealing with women isn't really worth my time unless I get a solid LTR-prospect lined up - but I would still take whatever "low-hanging fruit" I can get. Cheap sex that doesn't cost me much time or effort is nearly always an attractive prospect for a man. I've never cheated in a relationship, but that's mostly because I value my own principles over having sex. I would have definitely felt a temptation to, under certain circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 06:53 PM
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It still makes a lot of sense that the more expendable sex evolves in a way that makes them more suitable to dangerous roles. In pre-modern societies women were too valuable as potential mothers to risk them willy-nilly, and societies who did usually died out. Among those who used their men for dangerous work and combat, the stronger men survived and reproduced more often. This did eventually give them an advantage over women in terms of asserting dominance, but it's also striking how the few ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 06:42 PM
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That sounds pretty lame, but whatever...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 06:24 PM
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Agreed - well, the voluntary for free bit, at any rate. An Alpha gets what he wants from women without paying for the privilege. An Alpha bucks can afford to, but doesn't. And Alpha fucks can't pay, and don't - they (AF) might not be able to keep women around for long, but then they usually find a replacement and/or have a soft harem of sorts. Of course the absolute apex men are Alpha bucks, but that's not a requirement of being Alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 02:49 PM
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Interesting response - I will have to read up some more on the topic. I just remember the study with the homosexual couples, which was very interesting, but you raise a fair point on the potential of underreported DV and/or different severity. Another very hotly debated topic would, of course, be how to judge a physically violent response to controlling behaviour and constant emotional and verbal abuse? Walking out (permanently) is the better response, of course, but what if that's not the way i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 02:45 PM
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Fair enough. A lot of it is just every man for himself with some intermittent bitching, which is not a position worthy of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 02:41 PM
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Entirely sensible, although I'd like to point out that "treating" the casual sex girl makes sense if you view the entire transaction as soft prostitution. Which is cynical, but makes sense if viewed as an economic transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 05:19 AM
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Two different pairs of shoes. Are women raping anywhere near as much as men? Nope, violent rape is mostly a male thing (with a few noteworthy exceptions). Are they commiting as much sexual abuse of various kinds? No, but the difference is much smaller than for rape. Domestic violence is actually a female thing - it's roughly 50/50 in terms of who does it (and a lot of DV couples hit each other), and the fact that gay couples have a lot less of it while lesbians have more of it kinda shows that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 05:07 AM
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There is a pretty popular thought that black, inner-city populations were basically the canary in the coal mine - most symptoms of our current social disintegration hit them half a generation (10-15years) earlier (and they started making cynical jokes about it earlier, too -> Patrice O'Neil). This had the unintended and unpleasant side effect that, as soon as the boot on their neck for being black was lifted a bit it was replaced by being mistreated for being poor. The social development that ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 04:59 AM
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I did answer in that other thread you started, but the cliff-notes version: Still think it should not be used this way and is, at the very least, imprecise usage of words. Not a native speaker, but also, it seems, not the only man in that thread to also disagree with that reading of those words. In fact...calling that good personality might very well be pre-emptive defense of one's preference for this as a woman - after all, going for something "good" is a lot more defensible or even hamsterable…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 07:17 PM
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Because there is a very fair chance that he's going to be "other people" at some point. Eventually there will be conflict or problems (at which point she'll be a Karen to him, and it's his decision whether that's something he wants to deal with), AND one does get the reputation of their man/woman (so they're "Karen" second hand, too). It might be worth it overall, and yes, the "Outlaw couple vs. the world"-fantasy is appealing...but not all that realistic, I think. Might happen, but chances are …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 07:14 PM
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Women and men are in fundamentally different positions - young, hot women have a lot more options and get to pick, to some extent - but they also face a lot of opportunity cost. Whenever they have sex their physical risks are higher (pregnancy, pair-bonding to undesirable men for virgins and low-N, STD which they are both more likely to contract and which sometimes have more severe effects on them). While they may enjoy better sex then men, bad sex is also a lot worse for them and there is no gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 03:58 PM
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Not so much. Post sexual revolution dating is basically like capitalism for the sexual market, and the subsets of men who do well in either sphere (economics or fucking) overlap considerably, making the lives of unsuccessful men even shittier. Besides, career women increase the labour supply, and lots of single households spend more money. Much of the developments tied to feminism do indeed serve the agenda of wealthy capital owners. Is it solely responsible? Hell no, but feminism definitely pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 03:42 PM
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I think I was part of the discussion that spawned this thread, and I'm one of the people who claimed that "good personality" implies some sort of moral quality. Not necessarily boundless altruism, but something that makes this person a "net positive" in their interactions with other people. Entertaining assholes or "magnificient bastards" might have an interesting personality, a charming one, extraordinary, what have you...but not a good one. Conversely, some people with good personalities might…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 03:28 PM
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Incels...nice. You'll find that yes, most beta men will actually consider "good" personality traits to be those that actually serve society as a whole - at least to the point where those who prey on their fellow men and women, be they white-collar criminals or common thugs, are not considered "good" by any stretch of the word. Since most straight men don't want to fuck other men our definition of "good" in other men is focused on other areas. Which is why, initially, it's baffling if women attri…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 06:37 AM
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Hmmm nope, but in this case I would not use the word "good" to describe his personality. "Appealing" perhaps, but certainly not good. That word has connotations in other areas as well, and what Jeremy Meeks did is certainly not good in a moral or utilitarian sense. Being a repeat-offender violent criminal makes people non-good, personality wise. I can hardly call you inconsistent here though, as you've been on record saying you don't care much about morals - just bear in mind that to many people…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 05:43 AM
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Well, the self-preservation often doesn't develop as soon as women find out certain things don't work (since most women DO want some sort of investment or commitment, and pump&dump is not a pleasant thing to be on the receiving end of) - a woman having sex with one guy usually has opportunity costs (since some of the other men courting/orbiting her will bail), for one, but it's a lot harder to notice losing, say, 20 out of 40 prospects (since she still has more than she can reasonably use), than…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 09:31 PM
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Many successful fuckboys operate on being able to be entirely sincere in the moment, but also utterly inconsistent. All people are that, to some extent, but generally speaking it's nowhere near as extreme in most cases, and it would probably drive a lot of people crazy over time. It's quite....baffling, really. Seems like a mental defect of sorts, but it serves them well, at least as far as getting women is concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 09:24 PM
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Part of this, I think, is also that women and men rate people slightly differently - a man's social position in a male dominance hierarchy and in women's esteem might be different (they're usually positively correlated - a man who has respect from other men usually also has qualities that make him more attractive to women and vice versa). There are some massive exceptions (men who are middle-tier in the male hierarchy but invisible to women or "bad boys" who are second fifth from the bottom for …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 09:19 PM
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Why oh why would you want to play to a "polite" audience for pseudo-respectability and credit? Part of the sales pitch behind the red pill is that it's "straight talk" or the hard truth. Making it a lot more pretentious in order to appeal to a demographic that by and large doesn't like the concepts anyway or has no use for them is missing the point entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 06:17 PM
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I have a male friend who I like having sex with and legitimately doing friend things with. Totally single. Holding out really hard. *shrug*
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 07:34 PM
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So you can't actually be alone. Check. I mean if it makes you happy...I'm just saying that a 30+ woman (with established sexual history) who does not have the willpower and conviction to actually stay single...can't really hold out sexually. Because that proves quite distinctly, if you're one of the guys she's holding out on, that you're never really getting anything. I'm not missing out on anything here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 07:21 PM
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...We are highly evolved apes. Modern behaviours are adapted from more primitive urges and simpler systems. People fuck even under circumstances that don't have a chance of producing offspring, but it's based on that mechanism. All-male environments are, evolutionarily speaking, very recent and rather unnatural environments, and we still have the sexual impulse. Which will look for some kind of outlet. But even then, yes, given the McKinsey study asserts that only 20% of men are strictly heteros…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 06:39 PM
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In this case I actually (cautiously) agree with the verdict of AMALT. Rape, as a mechanism, is wired into the brains of all men, it's just that a vast majority of men never rapes. They all could, though, and given the right triggers and circumstances quite a few would. As for your examples...gay priests rape boys. Shocker. Why oh why wouldn't gay men go for women? Hmmm....And while older women do get raped (in war, too), the risk of being raped is far higher for younger women in reproductive age…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 06:18 PM
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In that case it actually is about sexual release - with the added benefit of it also confirming or boosting the rapist's status in the very violent pecking order of prison (provided the victim doesn't retaliate or has friends who do).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 06:04 PM
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Nope. Rape is not just about sexual release, power etc. - it's a mating strategy. A very one-sided and hostile one, but a mating strategy. The rapists lizard brain actually wants to impregnate the woman. It's more akin to violent robbery than theft, but....yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 05:15 PM
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Inclined to agree. A lot of men care a lot more about sexual exclusivity/paternal certainty than sexual options. It's mostly tied to men who want to be fathers, maybe, but anyway, many family-oriented men think that's a worthwhile trade-off.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 04:30 PM
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You're not making THEM suffer. They already pumped and dumped you, and taking it out on future men, particularly those who might treat you decently, is self-sabotage headed for catsville. That said being on your guard and avoiding being P&Ded is smart. The best way to do it, by the way, is by establishing that you can stay alone (including no sex) so that, in fact, you can genuinely operate from a base of "no relationship is better than a shitty one".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 04:21 PM
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Not if they're successful enough to pull no-strings-attached sex from somewhat attractive other women. Hotness is nice, but...no. Relationship market value depends on a LOT more. The requisite hotness for that market is "sufficiently attractive to not cause issues with the hydraulics" - and past that men will be looking at a lot of other points to judge whether a woman is worth commitment (particularly if she wants that prior to fucking). A hot woman that is not fucking me gives me little additi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 04:17 PM
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Semi-agreed. Makeup and its cost do not interest me and do not warrant any compensation, but: I'd be fine with "generous gestures" as a part of dating IF, and only IF, the scope is small enough that I can make these gestures without really missing the money or expecting any return. 15$ max for broke students, 30$ maybe for grown adults. Roughly the same amount of money that I'd be willing to spend on a nice gesture to a (male) friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 04:11 PM
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Except that that is totally the case. Socialism is crap and "assigned dating" obviously isn't a thing, but this post-sexual revolution "free market" (which isn't really one, btw.) is not a good thing much in the same vein that neoliberal radical free markets (which aren't really free either) are a bad thing. Social market economics are the driving force behind most successful first world countries, and even drove the economic dominance the US enjoyed in the early and mid 20th century. Have a wid…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 04:06 PM
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Yeah, the physical aspect and all. I would assume that violent rape actually does more damage to a men physically, but while that's scary - as you said, fight or flight. Women can get pregnant and lose lots of social capital if they, voluntarily or involuntarily, have sex with the wrong men, at least historically, which is an entirely different category of long-term negative consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 06:51 AM
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Why? What he did was not particularly rapey or physically threatening...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 05:48 AM
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It's certainly less powerful, but it wears men down after a while (since it occurs more frequently). I don't think men feel quite as threatened as women by anything sexual in general, since they have a different behavioural imperative. Their sexual missteps usually don't have anywhere near the same severity of consequences (historically), and they overestimate how hard they are to hurt in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 05:47 AM
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Except that this is more or less what OP is saying. Machiavellian men definitely lie and flatter to get what they want, and psychopaths would, too, with no regards to the consequences for the other party involved. Narcissists think of themselves and everything involving them (including whatever women they deign to fuck) as super-awesome, and who doesn't want to be super-awesome? In short most of the super-successful bullshit artists are these dark triad men, and they DO get more success with wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 05:41 AM
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Given how sex actually encourages bonding and whatnot, and that you've been having sex with this woman already...you might actually be sabotaging your relationship. I mean it's not a certain thing, but I think it's a risky experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 07:25 PM
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Yeah, I think interventions to stop suicidal men are really, really difficult. The best approach I can think of is prevention - have male spaces and groups that keep people less isolated and part of "the brotherhood", to stop the downward spiral before people become suicidal. But that's not just a problem with interference in male spaces and all that, shit jobs with random hours, bad pay and long commutes are doing more for killing this social cohesion than anything else. Men need, first and for…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 06:38 PM
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Work around the "asking for help" thing, as that's clearly not the way most men operate. The thing that would probably pull most men back from the brink is a purpose and camraderie. They don't need to know that there's someone out there who'll help them, but that there's still something left for him to do and a place for him to be. As much as it sounds weird, but men, at a very basic level, have internalized their roll as workhorses and providers. They want to care for others, not be cared for, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 04:39 PM
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Sexual access to women is one of the most powerful motivators around for men, yes. Probably more so than any material luxury (a lot of men chase money as an indirect route to pussy). Even more so sexual access to women in their prime (so...late teens to late twenties/early 30s). So yeah, the sexual choices young women make have a profound effect on how men act.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 04:33 PM
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Getting people psychological help to prevent suicide is often just treating symptoms - severe, literally life-threatening symptoms but symptoms. Given how suicide is usually committed by people who either suffer a traumatic event (divorce may very well be just that given how ruthless and utterly brutal the US family courts are) OR feel like their situation is unbearable and terrible (which is the case with very unsuccessful men, among them incels)... I think the increase in suicide has a lot to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 02:17 PM
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Both are a bit of a warning flag, the girl getting cheated on because she either chose a bad guy or incorrectly vetted him...and cheating herself because she's a cheater. Men don't like cheaters (and with the men with decent self-control this also applies to male cheaters), and they shouldn't. By the way - chronic cheaters and monkey branchers usually aren't "trading up" so much as chasing the high of new relationships. "Trading up" ends in her early 20s at the latest, and even if she does it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 05:45 PM
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Not my loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 07:04 AM
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Hot-swapping relationships/monkey-branching is a very common, but also toilet-tier tactic. Any reasonable man would have to assume that they are not so special that she's gonna treat him differently than other men/previous boyfriends. If she left without a clean break once she's lined you up as a replacement, that's gonna happen to you as well in all likelihood. It also means she didn't really work on the relationship or leave once the relationship went sideways, but she did as soon as she thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 05:22 AM
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Not always, at some point the Betas got too decadent and were replaced. In fact the very image of romans people so admire were pretty late during their empire, 2nd-3rd century. Initially, the romans who did all the conquering were pretty savage barbarians. But with the increasingly technological nature of warfare these days, whatever advantage betas had is drastically increased, well above what it has been in the middle ages or antiquity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 08:35 PM
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Admirable, that, but maybe you can do the sensible thing and avoid taking any of this seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 08:31 PM
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If she can't deal with being alone for a while to at least sort out your affairs...her next partner isn't someone you want, just the best guy available RIGHT NOW (or a long-hedged backup plan) I'm not talking years of voluntary celibacy, but maybe 2-4 weeks to come down after a relationship. If someone can't do that much they have a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 08:30 PM
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Some of the most fearsome armies from the late middle ages onwards were more like weaponized beta males than a gathering of Alpha males. WW2 Wehrmacht, the Swedes in the 30 year war etc. - forces that "punched above their weight class". (Or the Israeli army in the 60s - 80s) Betas are highly cooperative, and while lesser confidence and aggression aren't ideal, cerebral, coordinated violence nowadays beats more alpha peoples.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 10:26 AM
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A lot of short relationships (less than 6 months each) are also a huge red flag, perhaps even more so than casual sex. I'd assume that a woman like that a) can't be alone at all (which is bad -> mentally unstable) b) has traits that make it hard for the guys to stay around OR has no impulse control and monkey branches or cheats in her relationship c) has learned behaviour that kills her future relationships I had an Ex like that. It's...not good, really, at least for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 09:27 AM
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Meanwhile I get pushed more towards red the more stuff I read on here - I get the impression this place isn't really fostering good relations between the genders
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 08:56 AM
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Understanding a little more how women works helps me, yes (in this case understanding their evo-psych imperatives and part of their sexual strategy). It doesn't translate into mad success, but some mild success and a lot less embarassing failure. Comes with a price though, with new-found empathy warring with a certain amount of disillusionment and distaste. Hmmm.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 07:26 PM
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That statement is not related to what I wrote at all though. Either you actually define HV men or I'll just assume it's the guys who get their pick of the litter (the fabled Alpha bux). No, they're not buying women from abroad. Yes, their behaviour is influenced indirectly by those who do, and yes, some of them are MGTOW. Anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 02:58 PM
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HV meaning what? Alpha Bucks? Nah, they're probably not. The ripple effect from some of the better Beta Bucks doing it might cause a few prospective Alpha Bucks to pump&dump instead of committing, but the effect is probably a lot less pronounced than it is among the Beta Bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 02:33 PM
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1% where it's an obvious transaction - and probably quite a few more wives picked up while on vacation/international travel (although, in all fairness, this probably works the other way round as well). Point being that even a few percent already change the dynamic of the market a bit. Some people are unhappy with their position in this society and its sexual marketplace and are "mining" poorer countries to combat it (no moral judgement here, mainly because that would be a topic of its own). Enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 05:29 AM
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My first thought was that it would be easy to transition this into a backslide pin. Go get that 3-count!
/r/MGTOW08/08/19 02:47 PM
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Really?!? Alright, this is what a really short online search turned up when I typed in "mail-order brides statistics": https://healthresearchfunding.org/17-incredible-mail-order-brides-statistics/ https://listverse.com/2010/02/17/top-10-facts-about-mail-order-brides/ Asssuming this stuff isn't fraudulent the phenomenon seems to be very real (and I have anecdotal evidence in my social circles, too), and is mostly driven by a better exchange rate for beta-bucks so to speak or dissatisfaction with …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 02:11 PM
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Well, maybe, yeah. Even very wealthy ones like Donald Trump - point is they are a part of the market, and a good chunk of that market prefers imports over domestic gold diggers. That much is easy to easily established.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 10:45 AM
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1 - Hot enough to not cause issues with the hydraulics. 4/10 is enough, more would be better if I can swing it - and definitely not heavier than me (in absolute weight - I am 180ish pounds/83kg, so it's not a high hurdle). Have a thing for taller (5'8"+) women, but short isn't really a problem either. 2 - I want someone who is somewhat pleasant to be around, and communicates well (because I have some issues with that). Optional requirement, but one I rate highly: Intelligence. Would LOVE an inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 06:35 PM
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No - those are indeed core masculine qualities which are sorely lacking these days - as I said, society suffers from a lack of good masculinity. Which I think is "collateral damage" from lack of involved fathers and feminist attempts to curb what they consider toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 05:15 AM
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There is a fairly good indication that right now society suffers more from a lack of "good" masculinity (people being too soft, unwilling to take responsibility) than from toxic masculinity. There are, and will always be toxic men - but they are more of a problem because they are not held in check by other men - and because those women who are drawn to masculine traits run into toxic men more often. Society, where I am from, tried to de-programm the masculinity out of boys. It halfway succeed wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 04:48 AM
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I feel like trad-cons are trying to uphold a bargain that no longer exists, because the social conventions and pressures that made society and women go along with traditional family roles etc. no longer exist (for various reasons, not monocausal at all). It seems...like a bad idea that's gonna blow up in the trad-con's face, but: Improving oneself as a man helped me and helps other regardless of what they choose to do. It's basically building up the prerequisites to some more advanced choices. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/19 02:21 PM
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Because it works - well, at least certain core elements of it. Striving to be in good physical shape, taking responsibility, taking charge and also being a bit less agreeable. Those are more traditional masculine values, and I for one feel better and get better reactions from both men and women ever since I started reclaiming my masculinity in earnest. It works. Declaring it to be a disorder is utterly ludicrous, especially when a majority of society demands and rewards it. Doesn't even have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/19 11:53 AM
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If a woman is constantly in relationships, hops (either via hot-swap or with less than 2 weeks downtime) from relationship to relationship but can't make any of them work, and does it for years on end...yeah. I'd assume something is going very wrong for her and she has some unresolved issues. One of my exes was like that, another acquaintance of mine is, too. Some eventually learn and fix their problems, some don't, but any man who enters as the next number into that string of relationshits prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 09:30 PM
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If it helps the first example was one of my exes - and there are quite a few examples of women on reddit who report putting out because the guys want it even though they don't. It obviously happens, even if it doesn't happen to you or your friends apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 07:50 PM
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Particularly for women - pussy is kinda like a shortcut, particularly when dealing with men who aren't top 20%ers. The woman could be terrible at providing benefit in a relationship, be annoying, unable to communicate etc. - a lot of betas would still put up with it for quite a while if she puts out. Won't last forever though, which is why people like this run up a higher N-Count with a string of 3-6 month relationships. Others are bad at setting boundaries and/or cave to pressure, yet at the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 07:34 PM
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Let me ask a different question: Does it actually change the reality? It might be a bit overly mechanical to do it this way, but people will judge anyway, even if the categories are only Won't even fuck/Would fuck if zero-or-low effort/would expend effort to get into her pants/want her even more than that? It's not so different from saying, say, 1-4/5-6/7-8/9+ - the net effect is the same. The one thing I would be willing to concede is that people should keep their judgement to themselves for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 09:18 AM
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It shows what men and women REALLY WANT WHEN THEY HAVE THE POWER TO CHOOSE. This. I mean it's not black and white, but women, as a general rule, would probably look for investment/commitment if they can. Beta men, too - but even they would probably like some NSA sex on the side if that was in the cards for them. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 09:13 AM
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Thing is, if they did something that I don't want, and they want something from me (such as commitment), I definitely should judge them. Not run after them annoying them with my opinion, but it's definitely necessary so I can make a decision. We all judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 09:10 AM
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I care in so far as I consider it a big plus if she can take care of herself and her cost of living - I don't really want to be paying bills for someone I just met or very recently got into a relationship with. It also shows a baseline of competence which I am definitely looking for. Other than that, does it matter? Yes, but it's nowhere near the top of my list. I guess it is an advantage, and I am looking for qualities that will make a good career more likely (intelligence, a certain amount of …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 07:35 AM
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The descendants of the Germanic and Celtic tribes. Who were more "beta" and cooperative than the Roman barbarians or the middle eastern savages. But I get your point and agree with it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/07/19 05:01 AM
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There is a lot, and I'll say it again, a lot of signalling and attempted manipulation here I feel, more so than actual communication or exchange of ideas. It's not entirely that, but much of it is. Meaning that many people here consider signalling for attractiveness, dominance or to use shaming tactics their primary goal rather than candid exchange of Information. To be entirely frank there is little gain in genuine openness in real life - but I see no harm in it on the internet. I will probably…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 03:49 PM
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Wow, that's pretty tasteless. Yeah, bit too woke for me.
/r/MGTOW22/07/19 05:12 AM
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Being realistic here, and not beating my chest to signal strength - yes, I would probably be willing to do that if there is at least some attraction and if the woman is sufficiently pragmatic with enough self-control (as evidenced by her sexual history) to actually uphold her end of the bargain. I'd be getting an uneven deal as BB, but I'd take it if I get enough of what I want without feeling too taken advantage of. I'm not in the situation to make that call though, and in the meantime I'd rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 04:55 AM
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That, too. Most red pill men have reasons to lie - PUA-type red Pillers would lie (by omission if they can, by outright falsehood if they have to) in accordance to the aforementioned Laws of Power, and most MGTOW just don't want any trouble and see no point in proselytizing. Red pill women will probably also lie by omission if they can get away with it, with the reveal being relegated to a desperation tactic at best. Purple pill and black pill people are pretty much the only ones who will be ope…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/19 02:50 PM
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Considering the potential stigma and the ton of shaming going on, particularly towards red pill men, there's a fair chance that some of the pilled people fly under the radar and wouldn't admit to it in public, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/19 06:45 AM
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I'm somewhat vain, so I do check myself in mirrors once per day or so - although it's mostly not about my clothes (unless I'm dressing up for the occasion or they're actively terrible through some mistake), but rather my training progress, body fat cut etc. Sounds dumb, but I want to look good with our without clothes. There's been some improvement in reactions, too, but it's not like the flood gates opened...still nice. Also, and that's the other half - I like the feeling of speed and raw physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/19 06:17 AM
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Which is one of the reason some people go MGTOW monk - if they can't have success with women without compromising their character (whether that belief is accurate or not), forsaking relationships with women altogether seems just sensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 01:43 PM
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Very passionate about my work and my hobbies, can nerd out pretty hard. Somewhat socially oblivious - otherwise decent mid-range in terms of looks and career. *shrug* I probably do not stand out unless there is actually a conversation of sorts going on. Once people do get to know me I polarize - people like me or dislike me, few remain neutral - and I actually consider than an advantage as far as getting to know people is concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 12:14 PM
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They knew each other for 5 years before their 8 year relationship, so there's your 13 years. I think the STD thing was pretty recent and part of what made him confront her, for what it's worth. Blue pilled? Yes, but not an atomic simp.
/r/MGTOW04/07/19 11:26 AM
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I mean getting fuckzoned and ending up strung along in Harems is absolutely the consequence of their choices, but those choices are promoted and put in front of them at an increased rate. Essentially a place in which they are not forced but encouraged to make bad decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 11:42 AM
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Nice badass "alpha signalling". Overall happiness - this includes women, and besides, I don't necessarily need women as such, but many men eventually want children. Foregoing the option of children because it's not longer viable may be the best choice in the situation, but it's deluded to pretend that's not a bad situation in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 11:40 AM
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If by life of Hedonism you mean being childless and with no long-term relationship, keeping most of his time for himself kind of life then...yes. This, too, is more or less what most MGTOW do. Men cope with this much better since we were designed to be the gender where 60% get discarded for reproduction, so this is not an unusual crisis state for us. I would assume a fulfilling family life is better, but baring that men certainly cope better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 06:18 PM
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Let's start with Erin Pizzey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey This women pioneered women's shelters for victims of domestic violence - and when she wanted, later on, to build a similar men's shelter, not only was she not funded by the british government and its subsidiaries, she was also bullied by feminist groups. I'm not gonna cite more breast cancer than prostate cancer research because breast cancer is actually a lot more common and kills a lot more people, so that's fair game. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 06:15 PM
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Except they totally can - men are the gatekeepers of commitment, so women lie about things that men would find important for that decision - their n-count, previous sexual involvement with the man's circle of friends and acquaintances, just how close she is to one of her exes etc. - or her aim for a relationship (going for a man's resources over genuine attraction etc.) Don't act like women couldn't lie or run deceptive strategies just because they're playing a longer game. EDIT: And that's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:23 PM
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Somehow I doubt that, given how many women are obviously unhappy alone from their 30s onwards. I mean it sure isn't ideal, but somehow I doubt beta bucks billy is worse than nothing, especially if she wants children. I don't have hard data on it, but from the anecdotal evidence I've seen women don't want to be alone first and foremost. I'm open to being proven wrong in this, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 02:38 PM
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Essentially yes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:35 AM
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Part of the problem is that removing strictures and expectations from women also makes holding men accountable harder - if, say, having extramarital sex or being an unwed mother is a big deal then the men who had sex with these women were automatically on the hook, too. If these women falling into bed with deceptive men is no longer really a bad thing you have no handle to punish the lying, cheating and stealing guy. It's hard to maintain a one-sided standard of responsibility (and yes, societie…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:16 AM
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Being the fallback plan and getting your turn is nowhere near as good a deal as it used to be though - since she's had so much better, many women will low-key resent you for not being one of the super-attractive guys who banged her when she was younger - and there is little social pressure on her to "play her role" as your wife and stay in the relationship. On the other hand there is plenty of pressure on you as a man to play your role... Think of it this way - Beta guys usually got the women af…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:09 AM
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Except that it's not really better for women, as the result of soft harems is that women have a much harder time getting commitment. It's awesome for women in their early twenties who are fully aware of their SMV and can basically choose at will - but it's not good for late 20s or older women looking to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:04 AM
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The dignity thing is basically the rationale behind MGTOW - I mean it's definitely an adaption to a lower overall state of balance, if most men go MGTOW overall happiness drops, but at the same time they get such a raw deal that that's actually a viable reaction for themselves...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:02 AM
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Because it reveals what they want things to be or what they wish to signal, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:57 AM
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Hmmm. Judge all you want, and you may even be correct to do so, but take it on board - the majority of men don't lie or more frequently just omit certain things or make misleading statements that lead to people overestimating them a little - which is still in the clear as far as I am concerned. But not only do deceptive men exist, they are also disproportionately more successful (especially with younger women). The best of these bullshit artists are those who are deluded enough to believe their …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:54 AM
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Interesting study. Thanks. I happen to agree with you, but it helps to have some evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:46 AM
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But she could not have gotten with a guy who would do such a thing - while she may very well have been blindsided, a lot of the men who do this show prior signs of being unreliable. If the single-mother-to-be is not willing to wait for 2 years or so to have kids (to get to know the guy) or doesn't listen to her parents/friends she takes a deliberate risk. There are "innocents". The majority, however, have some culpability. And speaking as one of the guys who's been propositioned to be the "stepf…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 01:07 PM
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If we consider the Pareto-principle, meaning the 80:20 rule, which applies nearly without reserve to online dating, belonging to those 20% is literally vital to your success. Men are literally killing themselves or going overboard to be Chad, just based on how much better Chad is treated than your average guy. Online dating is the more extreme version of the unfettered sexually liberated marketplace, but it's not fundamentally different. A casual-sex heavy non-monogamous marketplace is making me…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 04:27 AM
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Yeah that's kinda bad, but always consider that the woman chose that man. She may not be the only culpable party, but she definitely had a hand in her predicament. I do not 100% support the stance in that post, BUT: Being a single mom is very unattractive and a terrible situation for both mother and child. There is nothing to be glorified here and a lot should be done to avoid being in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 03:17 AM
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I dunno. I mean yeah, technically I could probably physically overwhelm nearly all women out there within seconds, so I get the theoretical concept. As a man, I also have heightened aggression (albeit also a lot more practice at reigning it in). Still, I have never hurt a woman, and I'd wager the majority of men haven't either. The main thing is basically the fearfulness. There are men out there who could beat me, and yet I don't fear them unless they start acting in a suspicious or intimidating…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 05:03 PM
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Massive inequality to the point where most members of society disengage kills civilizations - sexual inequality and degeneracy can be a factor, but isn't always. The british empire was killed by rampant, unchecked capitalism and the severe impoverishment of most of the people who did the actual work.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/06/19 11:43 AM
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I mean it is technically correct though, as young men are influenced a lot by female approval, the most powerful form of which is horizontal. By mostly fucking Chad and Tyrone these women establish those two as "role models" or aspirations. So if women didn't fuck a lot of hot but unstable and otherwise useless guys they would actually change the world or society. For her own situation she could actually improve her life by choosing the right guy/guys, too. But many won't, and I doubt that's wha…
/r/MGTOW29/06/19 04:46 AM
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The main reason why these young women are not acting out their hypergamy at this point is because they have low self-esteem or insecurity still, like most young people. I mean yeah, they already have nearly fully matured brains (unlike men around 20), but in between lack of experience, money and still being naturally in a lower status position as high-school students, college freshmen or apprentices/newbies...they think that they are a lot less attractive than they actually are. Part of this ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 04:01 PM
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Marrying young is a hypergamy hack, so to speak. A very risky one, though. Basically there is often a gap between SMV and RMV (meaning that the most attractive men a woman can pull for casual sex or short-term things is not gonna commit, in a sense there's a gap between the 8/10 guy who will fuck her and the 6/10 guy who might commit to her) - and hypergamy can easily lead to falling into that gap shooting for the hottest she can get. Late teen women (and some in their early twenties) are attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/19 04:48 PM
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More intelligent people are more malleable - and this is also a factor, especially in a society or situation (single mother, for example) where they are forcibly blue pilled. Being less able to learn also means that people retain their inherently purple-to-red pilled "factory settings" better - which is a significant advantage in the sexual marketplace, especially for younger people. That said, intelligence is also always potential for more, so in a red-pill environment they also do better - to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/19 04:38 PM
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The wall shouldn't be tied to a specific number - "running into the wall" happens when a woman's attractiveness to a potential partner fades to a point where her choices are suddenly restricted - to the point that these women are forced to choose significantly less successful or attractive men or elect voluntarily relationshiplessness (or turn volcel in extreme cases). There's a "hard" wall for women who want children and seek men who do - fertility starts to drop off in their mid-thirties and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/19 03:12 AM
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This was an interesting post. Thanks dude, learned something new!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 05:45 PM
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Trick question - I'd say Option A, since dedication and success are attractive, although I would very much prefer her increasing portions slightly and building muscle instead. I don't think size 0 is what I desire most. I consider this: https://www.mybodygallery.com/photos-52872-body-shape.htm?StartAt=4#.XQ5nEvZuKUk a good look, albeit one that probably comes with dietary restrictions and at least 3-4h of exercise per week, so it's hardly free. It's Pants size 4, too, so basically in between tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 05:38 PM
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Well - problem is that there are traits whose value particularly younger and more naive people do not entirely understand. What seems obvious actually isn't. To return to my above example: Abundance is an attractive trait in men from the female perspective - and almost entirely irrelevant the other way round. Emotional availability is an attractive trait in women from the male perspective - but if given to easily or early actually counterproductive the other way around. Older or more red-pilled …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 01:26 PM
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I wouldn't - as I said, signalling trumps genuine communication for most men and women. Men lie to get into women's pants, women lie to keep the men they want around. If and when especially younger women communicate more openly it's mostly because they mistakenly think that it would improve their chances (in other words if they think that being mercenary and unattached signals value and desirability, which it does in attractive men). Otherwise people tell you what makes them good, and if they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 04:45 AM
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Well, we don't lie completely, but I guess a lot of men (me included, and more so in my more blue-pilled days) answer in a misleading way - mostly out of fear of social rejection if we bare our actual wants and desires, as they may seem crass or unfair (which they may or may not be, but it's what we want). So...signalling to potential mates trumps genuine communication for many men (and women). Of course that's a self-defeating strategy, particularly for men, but we only learn that after a while…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 04:37 AM
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A lot of people - Europe is just as much Western first world. Besides, it used to be that way with good blue collar jobs in the USA as well. It's just that the growing inequality and the slow death of your middle class started about 60 years ago, whereas in some other western countries the backslide towards oligarchy started a few decades later. I mean the overall standard of living is still higher than in the 50s, but not for your average worker, and believe it or not that is bad for society as…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 02:19 AM
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Relationship market value - it's a bit like SMV, but for the value you have in a long-term relationship. Most women have lower RMV than SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 05:36 PM
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Thank you, I like the overall civility of this sub, and am happy we can have these discussions - and it's good to encounter some different views now and then to keep myself honest and re-check my views. So...I doubt this is the last time we'll meet, although this is a good cue for me to stop procrastinating on reddit and do some stuff I still have to deal with :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 04:50 PM
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Yes, if the Beta bux gets a portion of her youth that IS an improvement for him. To me she is more attractive then in most cases, and shows she's investing in me since I'm getting time from her while she'd still have copious other options. ​ As for your numbers: Totally agree that education is a strong predictor of relationship stability, and generally educated people marry later. Still, numbers (which I can look for tomorrow if you insist) point out that relationships, adjusted for other factor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 04:31 PM
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Overall economy is growing, while the bottom two quintiles of incomes are actually stagnating, and since energy costs, housing and food are disproportionately affected by inflation, probably actually backsliding, wealth-wise. https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2018/10/16/u-s-household-incomes-a-51-year-perspective Also shows young people aren't doing better - the older cohorts do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 04:16 PM
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They often do because it doesn't matter to their standard of living whether they work minimum wage shit jobs (and receive supplementary welfare) or don't work at all (and get more welfare instead). Their decisions almost do not affect their standard of living (since their kids guarantee longer access to welfare) - and without an incentive to do the sensible thing they'll just fuck who they want and do whatever they like. Restraint doesn't pay for them. It does for lower middle class people who s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 04:14 PM
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100% this. I even envy the former group of bloops a bit - how much nicer life would be if I could afford naivete and still get a good outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 04:00 PM
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Biggest problem I had and to some extent still have is that, much like anyone else, I use my own thought process as a model for everyone else (and then tweak the parameters according to my experience, basically constructing a model of how other people think). Since I used to be pretty bad at reading social and non-verbal cues (I still am, to some extent), I rely on this mechanism of analysis to understand people. I did not understand women, for quite some time, since I attributed male priorities…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 03:58 PM
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Nearly all men would like to be Alpha, since the 80:20 rule (80% of the female attraction, not the sex but the attraction, going to the top 20% males) means you're getting more than you give, and you're getting plenty. Unfortunately, most men are just not quite that attractive or successful, and they have to beta-bux. Which means exchanging resources for sex, and usually at a, shall we say, discounted rate. With pressure on women to settle early, that rate was artificially increased, so men got …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 02:45 PM
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Any man wants to be truly desired, it's infinitely preferable. Not all men can get there, but nearly all want to be. That said, beta-buxxing is available for many more - and if women are forced to choose providers early on, and choose the best provider they can get at that point, there's at least some element of positive choice. If women make that choice only after already having chosen other traits several times before, they've definitely established a ranking, of sorts, and the beta bux is pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 02:21 PM
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As a man, being pursued for money and status alone feels kinda hollow, especially given that we assume they are a lot less sexually attracted to us. Men, as a whole, value sex a lot higher than most women do (especially the majority of men who are having either no sex at all or not nearly as much as they'd like to be having), so being offered a relationship with less and less enthusiastic sex feels...bad. Kinda like being the woman who's good enough for a booty call, but not good enough for meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 01:35 PM
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I'm sorry if that's how it came across - definitely not blaming the men here, they are getting dealt a shit hand for the most part. That engineer you talk about...he's not really hot stuff in his 20s. He'll earn decent money, later on, as you've said, but by then he'll have worked harder and built his career longer than previous generations. He'll also reap less reward - basically no longer getting 80cents on the dollar for his beta bux, but rather something like 60 (or even less), as the women …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 01:16 PM
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Oh definitely - there's a fair chance of their standard of living dropping off if they can't marry across or upwards. Now with more women in the labour force and them displacing men mostly in the middle tiers, those moderately successful women outnumber the moderately or highly successful men (and they do - women have higher rates of university education and, in the UK, already slightly out-earn men between 20 and 30). There are good reasons for holding off, but it's a gamble that will, by sheer…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 01:07 PM
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As a man in his early 30s who has been mostly (albeit not entirely) passed over I can confidently say that I am wary of women from their mid-thirties onward. If I want to have, say, 2 kids then that will become...more difficult, shall we say. Beyond 35 the chances of actual conception and them carrying the child to term gradually drop off, so if they want those chilrden in the remaining years it'll be harder - especially if I assume that I want to get to know them for 1-2 years before even consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 01:04 PM
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Oh definitely. They are no longer dependent on the men as soon as their parents no longer support them, which definitely increases their option and frees them to turn down undesirable men (which is a positive thing). A good portion of women would still prefer to become mothers at some point, and given how much time and resources children cost, having a financially stable man around is very, very useful if the women don't want to end up in relative poverty (or working themselves to the bone to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 12:42 PM
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Overall reported happiness for women has been on a downward trend for the last few decades, and the amount of middle-aged women on psychiatric drugs as well as the suicide rate has gone up. The amount of children born to single mothers (not just unmarried and cohabitating, actually single) has risen in many countries around the world. Fathers in the house give kids a better chance, and provided those fathers are more or less consistently employed in an at least semi-decent job, takes quite some …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 12:32 PM
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Most people at the top of hierarchies spent a lot of effort and time getting there, often at the expense of other areas of their life. Most of the female top-tier executives and politicians are childless or have at the most 1-2 children - so there is a trade off involved. The very best and most successful people disproportionately affect society - and the very top of society (and also the very bottom - homeless, hardened criminals etc.) is overwhelmingly male. This might change a little as the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 12:25 PM
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If they do not want children it's all fine and dandy - except that they usually do want children, and working full time as a single mother usually sucks. As is being involuntarily childless. Even a mediocre provider as husband and father provides a lot of value for a woman looking to build a family. Problem is that most woman are pushing for children and family life after they've already made a decade of choices essentially setting them up on a different trajectory. Women who are r/childfree pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 12:03 PM
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This mentality is part of the problem, not caused by it. WTF is a woman's "peak years"? Is it when she's at her most mature and confident? Or are you just referring to RP's old "women only have value until they hit the wall" adage? It just feels like you're only seeing society as something men occupy, and that the women in society are just resources for the men in it. ​ Well, I'd define prime years as those years in which people have the highest overall status and power over others - so for men,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 11:59 AM
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Quick search gave me a lot of sources for the assumption that female labour participation drives overall growth (which I would assume is correct, and not a point I made, but it also give me this: Women's mobilization in the workforce: https://economics.mit.edu/files/11620 ​ It's a study on female mobilization in WW2, which found that women entered the labour force to replace men initially, but stayed on even in the 50s - and gradually came to replace not the bottom fifth, but rather the layer ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 11:48 AM
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The sexual/romantic market is suffering because everyone is miserable and poor and trying to preserve what they have left. Agreement on parts of that - as I said, the percentage of people sufficiently wealthy and secure to settle down has dwindled, making people more...reserved because of the constant stress and insecurity. Definitely reduces chances for serious, committed relationships. ​ But everyone being poor and broke also increases incentives for "selling out" for short-term cash and prize…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 11:28 AM
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Yes, but it basically a synergistic relationship - entering women into the workforce tanked wages on the low-end or even mid-tier jobs, which damaged traditional family models with single providers, which in turn released more women into the workforce. I think mobilizing women in the workforce was the first step (sorry if that didn't come out in my somewhat rambling post), but it could very well be a chicken-egg problem. I'll also admit there are other factors that tanked low-end wages (automati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 10:13 AM
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True, but it's still 50/50 whether she would engage it in a more friendly manner or blame it for all her life's ills and gets the scissors. Any sane man would disengage at speed.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/06/19 04:39 AM
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Going past the thousand cock stare right into axe murderer territory. This one is...unsettling, to say the least.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/06/19 05:03 PM
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Probably. And we'd have to make them when it comes to it, but nobody in their right mind should set out to make these choices, and setting out to exploit the forced bad choices desperate people make definitely works but is a deplorable scumbag tactic (and ruins a society if done en masse).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:11 PM
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Oh sure, a lot of parasitic strategies work well - still, if they are obvious and I'd be the host/mark, I have a certain impulse to resist them. Generally speaking, an arrangement in which I get +1 utility and someone else gets +9 is still a net positive for me, but there is a threshold to how much inequality I am willing to accept, and at the very least I'd try hard to find a better alternative. In many cases, there is one. Women could keep their legs closes or at least refuse to procreate with…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:57 PM
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It just occurred to me that this is basically the gender-flipped reverse of the sales-pitch for post-wall women off the carousel given to Beta bucks: "Some sex and 1-2 kids who may be yours is a lot better than nothing" ​ Here it's "Hey, a shit-tier provider is better than no provider at all" ​ Both are technically correct, I think, but the biggest problem I'd have here from either end is that it validates and rewards predatory and parasitic strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 08:40 PM
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Oh I think both genders are judgemental, especially when there is a lot on the line (such as marriage and kids). The point I was trying to make is that most people who are not judgemental are so because they feel they either don't need to judge or can't afford to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 06:29 PM
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I will point out that rape is often viewed as the worst crime short of actually killing someone (see the French foreign legion, for example, excluding only murderers and rapists, or the lynching of rapists) precisely because it does this much damage. Through no fault of her own, a raped virgin will indeed have a much lower chance of having a normal and fulfilling life and sexuality. I wouldn't rule out rape victims as potential partners, but I'd definitely take a very close look at them because …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 06:05 PM
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Thanks - besides, on some visceral level it feels like the OP is an attempt at shaming...which I take as such, notice, but reject. We could discuss, perhaps, the value of that measurement, but I'll freely admit it's an important criterium to me, personally. There's a lot of truth to your assertion that women are harshly judged on only a few criteria, too - health/fertility, youth and N-count. I believe that is in large part because they're primarily assessed as mothers of our children. There are…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 05:59 PM
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Definitely think that N-count is used as a proxy measurement, yeah. For loyalty, self-control (a 18+ virgin or even low-N woman definitely ran into chances and attractive men and turned several of them down, indicating that she has high standards and can say no despite being attracted/aroused) as well as investment in relationships/pair-bonding. Of course male ego plays into it, but it's not an arbitrary measure even if by itself it's not a conclusive measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 05:40 PM
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100% agree with the "physical contact early" thing, I'd go for it by the second date and if it's not happening by the third I'm out. ​ As for sex, it seriously depends on her sexual history how long she can holdout - I'd let a virgin hold out for pretty long, and give a low-N woman several weeks, but if she's sexually active...especially if she usually doesn't hold back for long - I'd expect sex by date 4 or 5 - and yes, I would consider it mildly offensive and an indicator of lesser attraction …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 03:27 AM
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I personally would expect people to take dating seriously to, at the most, stick to the first stages of dating if they absolutely must "keep their options open". Hanging around with friends and such is clearly no problem, and I'd probably accept if they got to know people on a first-date basis simultaneously (as long as she 100% keeps her legs closed on a first date, which she should do anyway). But yes, sex is serious enough business that IF she wants the option of it progressing to a committed…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 03:15 AM
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I mean this applies to many things - willingness to invest time and effort into something, be it looking for a good job, setting up a good training/nutrition plan etc. usually means you get better results - the same with relationships. Which I think you are correct also relies on actually realizing what one actually wants and "sorting out" one's motivations and feelings. Women can always get sex or even relationships if they're easy and/or willing to settle, but if they want to get a really high…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 06:31 PM
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It will definitely be seen as worse treatment though - men want sex first and foremost, and are willing to put in effort, invest resources and emotional labour to get it. Fuckboy gets what he wants with little investment, which is appealing to men, whereas the "husband material" guy has to pay through the nose and wait. Emotional investment is what women want from men, as it will give them some assurance that he won't abandon her or prospective children - but since she's in the more vulnerable p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 06:27 PM
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Hmmm. Take all of this with a pinch of salt since I'm a man, but: It's hard to make a step-by-step guide, but there are some general principles that I think work (much like the basic principles of being attractive in a masculine way - not all of these are natural or comfortable to many men either). Dating is a deal, a trade if you will - and both men and women are in positions of power at different stages. ​ Since you as a woman are the sexual selector, you have a lot of power in the first few s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:18 AM
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This discrepancy honestly causes some of the most severe friction in modern society (and on the various pill subs). Mainly because the male hierarchy correlates also with usefulness to society (the degree to which it does is also a strong factor in the overall health of a society) and men with high status among men usually also contribute to the wellbeing of other men and more importantly in this case, women and children. This may allow him to beta-bux his way to sexual access...but he'll pay fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 09:47 PM
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Depending on his other traits you will be more or less willing to believe him though - and besides, RMV/SMV aren't entirely individual, although there are slight differences and personal quirks - but the mirror image of this, an attractive woman who is also batshit insane still has SMV, even to a man who decides not to stick his dick in crazy. Those a dealbreakers. Also things that might lower RMV/SMV (because, for example, a non-desperate marriage-minded man is something many women want), but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 08:36 PM
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Question would be a) how soon that even comes up and b) if the guy could string you along with false promises. If he had no RMV he wouldn't be able to do it - you wouldn't want to stay with an unemployed bum if he wanted to marry you, for example...if, however, he has some of the qualities you are looking for in a long-time partner he has RMV. And a dealbreaker, but that's a different thing than having no RMV in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 07:40 PM
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Not necessarily - they could be the kind of people their women would WANT to marry, but they refuse to do it. Refusing sex doesn't automatically lower SMV, much like refusing commitment does not always lower RMV (to a certain point. Smart people give up once it becomes clear commitment is NEVER in the cards)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 12:48 PM
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Yep, more or less. It's almost absurd how women, at the peak of their attractiveness, use the most stupid criteria possible to make their decisions. I mean with this one all you can do at this point is attempt to catch the falling knife, AND if you do Chad still profits by proxy. Poor kids, but...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/05/19 03:01 PM
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I mean...if, and that is if, she either ran the father off or chose really badly who to have kids with...then it's her problem, first and foremost. There's also a very fair chance that she would resent the "good guy" who'd bail her out. Empathy or in-built simping makes me sympathize to some extent, but any sane man would stay away from a dumpster fire like that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/05/19 02:33 PM
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That one is actually married with 3 kids... I mean you can still find a negative motive here, but I think what she did was really, really good. She saved that man. At that point I don't care all that much whether that OP did it for the right reasons...
/r/MGTOW10/05/19 07:16 PM
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Much worse - you constantly have to handle and deal with stupid NPC allies who do not really help you towards your goals but add additional lose conditions.
/r/MGTOW06/05/19 08:40 PM
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It helped me a lot when I read up on the story and found out the guy (who slapped back) is now doing well for himself in Bollywood while the careers of the woman and the white knight anchor tanked.
/r/MGTOW06/05/19 06:42 PM
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Slapping her is really, really foolish and accomplishes little. That said, women signalling they have options in order to appear more attractive...that's also a really bad idea. We as men KNOW women have options if they just want dick. Men who have options are more attractive because it's not a given - a women who has, and exercises, her options, signals she is not loyal. Which instantly disqualifies her from being serious relationship material. Women acting like men out of misunderstood ideas l…
/r/MGTOW05/05/19 10:33 AM
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Possible. I mean it also makes them pursue a bad mating strategy with no good outcomes because they're following wrong information. Being Chad's self-supporting free-range Harem isn't exactly a winning play.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/05/19 06:10 AM
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Not just her, but a lot of the other women, too. It's almost like they really want to believe they can escalate casual sex relationships into something more serious...which is weird if one considers how men operate. This is full-on angry denial.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/05/19 10:18 PM
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I personally come from a very white country, so I have little direct experience with black people, but those 4 dudes were alright...and either way, why not? I've even heard that the same social decline that drives men into MGTOW hit the black community in the US half a generation earlier, so in that sense a lot of the first few MGTOW (and one of the legends, Patrice O'Neal) were black guys. Heh. Take your seat, grab a drink. Welcome.
/r/MGTOW03/05/19 04:53 PM
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I mean this stuff has been the basis of working societies for a while now...although It's not immune to corruption either. That said, I only ever encountered a very watered-down version, the closest I ever got was moving to a part of my country that was more religious, but I was already an adult by then. Post red-pill (although I'd classify myself as purple pill) I think mechanisms that help control human nature are very good and necessary - strong religious communities can and should do that fo…
/r/MGTOW03/05/19 04:07 AM
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Number of previous sexual partners.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/05/19 05:51 PM
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This is honestly one of the more compelling endorsements for religious conservatism that I've encountered. I mean it's not my cup of tea, but you make it sound really good.
/r/MGTOW02/05/19 05:09 PM
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Maybe. If she ever needs to learn how to do edgy shitposts on the internet and wants to improve her posing I'll refer her to you.
/r/MGTOW30/04/19 08:05 PM
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The most interesting thing is that those guys are actually moderate male feminists, and even they have a problem with the excesses of hypergamy and out-of-control feminists. A long read, but really well worth it, thanks for the link!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/04/19 08:03 PM
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The most important criterium in this case is no inborn empathy. Which makes it far easier to pick fights, be disagreeable or assert one's opinion or wishes against others. This need not necessarily be a bad thing (it often is, but need not be) - it depends on how people with zero empathy are raised and what ethical standards they apply to themselves. Either way such a person would have less need for external validation (and be extremely good at manipulating women). That or someone has such a ver…
/r/MGTOW28/04/19 07:56 PM
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Well, you could be a sociopath, too. Makes it easier to P&D in every single way, but only a small part of the population is born that way, and it brings its own set of problems. People with ordinary sympathy and social conditioning do not start out this way imo.
/r/MGTOW28/04/19 06:19 PM
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Yeah, I agree with the point of this post, and it's honestly somewhat reassuring. I think you can be MGTOW (indeed, it might be even more important) without being a divorced man or a "graduated Chad" (who quit women out of boredom or disgust)... I think it's easy to fall back into reliance on female validation, and pretending that isn't the case, or that people are worth less for doing that is...disingenuous. Especially if we assume that going MGTOW is an ongoing process for all men. So what if …
/r/MGTOW28/04/19 06:15 PM
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The most interesting thing about this is how she (well, initially) and her feminist supporters curse out the guy for the verbal beatdown he gave her - but it's a pretty cut-and-dry thing, really: Either she does not owe him sex and doesn't want it with him (in which case she can just leave and his opinions should not really matter to her) or she wants to have sex with him - in which case she just established the fact that a few hours of clever emotional manipulation are worth more when dealing w…
/r/MGTOW15/04/19 04:24 PM
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Pretty good article, really. I disagree with some points, but he makes a very compelling main argument - namely that being denied sex or even social recognition is not harmless or an acceptable basic standard as long as people are still expected to cooperate and "hold up their end of the bargain" - not just for the affected individuals, but for society as a whole.
/r/MGTOW06/04/19 08:05 PM
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The fact that many of them ARE having orgasms does indeed add to the trauma of the entire thing - and is another very good reason why rape was considered for quite a while to be the worst violent crime short of killing someone. It's a weird mixture of trauma and 190-proof Alpha-widowing. Certainly not envying women out there about this. This one of the few points that really sucks.
/r/MGTOW31/03/19 07:17 PM
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It's kind of interesting that you think I would feel the need to project the image of a super-chad in here.
/r/MGTOW30/03/19 08:10 AM
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Heh. Not really that, just the misguided belief women could actually be dealt with in a friendly, open manner. Right...Ah, those blue pill days.
/r/MGTOW29/03/19 05:18 PM
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So...she wants to keep him, but still signals she's open to or actively banging other dudes...signalling "Power". Except that's not doing anything for men - we know women have options, we now know this woman is incapable of being serious about relationships. Nice self-sabotage there. To be fair guy way probably only out to pump and dump anyway.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/03/19 05:45 AM
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Oh, totally agree - I refer to destructive testing as used in science - a destructive test gives you a measure of something (its stability, composition etc.), but in a way that destroys the sample. A woman who pulls a hard jealousy play on a man will get a very good idea of how invested he was, how much he wanted her - but she will also destroy the relationship she thus tested. If he didn't care he'll play it cool and still fuck her as long as he can or until he gets bored of her, if he did care…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/03/19 11:35 AM
1

Except that it's a destructive shit test. If she is dating/fucking multiple people she is never going to be a prospect for a serious relationship. If I considered it before the jealousy play I certainly won't afterwards - so it's just generally a really bad idea. It's women treating men how they themselves want to be treated (the guy displaying power by rubbing his SMV in their faces), but since it disregards male nature (-> paternal insecurity, we have a lot to lose by our LTR thotting around o…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/03/19 04:49 AM
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In my mind whenever women mention other guys to their men who they text with or who they fuck it's nearly always a jealousy play. They think that signalling that they have options might jolt a man into committing or going further than they feel entirely comfortable with. ​ To be blunt this is usually not the case - if she's at least moderately attractive (and she usually is, otherwise she wouldn't be interesting to her current guy either) she always has options. So if a woman is texting/dating/f…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/03/19 07:06 PM
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Nice belly-to-back suplex!
/r/PussyPassDenied20/03/19 05:29 AM
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She sounds very butthurt, which means the commenter really touched a nerve there. But yeah, she sees the players who would fake it and spin her as a plate as great guys and missed opportunities...rather than as the dead ends they always were. She's not really looking to make herself happy here...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/03/19 08:05 AM
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He avoids one very important question: Why are men disaffected with education? (because it's become feminized?) Why are they no longer "ambitious"/career-oriented? (Lack of incentives?) I mean he provides the best example for why we go our own way with the example of the nerd-simp Lawrence who works his ass off for sloppy seconds from a women who gave her best to other men, always stressed, financially insecure and on the verge of collapse. If that's the wages of doing what society wants us to d…
/r/MGTOW18/03/19 06:43 AM
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He didn't hug her nor did he have refs running interference for him, so...no.
/r/MGTOW24/02/19 02:17 PM
1

Sounds almost like a 2-dimensional coordinate system - with the Leagues arranged by success/socioeconomic status, while the tiers denote social skills and the qualities (good looks, risk taking, confidence, sometimes ruthlessness) that women find attractive. Of course there is some positive correlation - success and thus fame and money are attractive to women, just as the qualities women find attractive often help success, but it's basically a lozenge shape of sorts. A lot of the anger of beta-b…
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre13/02/19 05:27 PM
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If they went for family oriented beta men in their mid-to-late twenties I could almost guarantee they'd find someone willing to impregnate them. Heh. I mean yeah, at the point in their mid-thirties it is the men who do not cooperate, but then many of them have been denying these men for a decade at least. Even with those few ones who actually made serious attempts at procreating that just fell through...at some point men have to consider their own interests as well, not subjugate them to a woman…
/r/MGTOW07/02/19 08:31 AM
1

It's the biological programming - women are wired to survive to bring forth the next generation, not to die along with their men. Of course it's not really a glorious attitude, very pragmatic, somewhat dirty (especially since civilization is also about taming the inner monkey, so to speak). But it's a massive difference if they fuck the winners when they're what's left (pragmatic, and not particularly nice, but understandable) over cucking the living men around them with the conquerors (France).…
/r/MGTOW28/01/19 02:15 PM
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To be honest it IS a different question if a lot of the women fraternize despite their nation being taken over swiftly with moderate casualties (France) or if they fraternize after a huge chunk of the men in their age cohort have been killed. Many japanese women of that time faced the prospect of being unmarried and childless forever because there were not enough surviving Japanese men. It's not a free pass...but certainly an extenuating circumstance.
/r/MGTOW27/01/19 03:07 AM
5

Do not discount that part of the sales pitch for many Chads is the fact that there is "no harm" in jumping on their cock. The more men rather go MGTOW than be cucked, the less that is going to be true, and the harder it's going to be to hamster away. Initially, a small amount of MGTOW definitely help by eliminating competition, but in the long run lack of Beta bux will sink the AF/BB strategy...and those who peddle it.
/r/MGTOW10/01/19 09:53 AM
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...have you considered that the much lower rate of men in universities in the UK might have to do with the fact that poor men cannot, in fact, afford going there and do not have prostitution to fall back on? Just pointing that out - still, this is not gynocentrism at work but rather a somewhat unintended consequence of our neofeudalism.
/r/MGTOW27/12/18 04:29 PM
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Black pill means "the situation is so utterly fucked that there is no way to play it right or no point at all in engaging" How and why people come to this conclusion differs, with incels it might be because they think they cannot improve to a level that would get them anywhere, with OP it's his disgust at what his very successful dating strategy made him do.
/r/MGTOW21/12/18 12:30 AM
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Depends on what they want, and it splits into SMV (sexual market value) and RMV (relationship market value). Generically speaking the less investment a man would be required to make the more relaxed his standards will be. No strings attached casual sex has very relaxed standards, and you probably meet them for a lot of guys. If you expect some sort of "courtship" (meaning at least 1-2 "dry" dates) and/or someone to do more than just booty call you now and then the price will rise. Still, the mai…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/11/18 01:00 PM
1

Also just plain blocking the pores and other natural works of the skin.
/r/MGTOW25/10/18 11:30 AM
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True - unless women take good care of their health and get in shape they can hit the wall quite early, in their late twenties (mid twenties if they abuse themselves). She has maybe 6-7 more years as it stands.
/r/MGTOW24/10/18 02:39 PM
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Pokimane...I think. She's okay-ish without the fakeup still, but nothing to get worked up about. I watch streamers for the commentary and the gameplay, and hers...doesn't cut it. Interesting to see her "natural" though.
/r/MGTOW24/10/18 02:19 PM
2

Ignore? Not really, no, but even if one was looking for a relationship that is not the way to go about it. If she was willing to cheat on/leave her current boyfriend you are not safe either. Hot-swapping boyfriends and monkey-branching might be convenient for women, but certainly not good prospects for men. I personally wouldn't seriously engage a woman in a relationship. The fact that quite a few women are deceptive about these things is a reason to avoid them altogether and go monk.
/r/MGTOW16/10/18 02:14 PM
8

Silkworms?
/r/MGTOW16/10/18 02:08 PM
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I mean if we go by the results it's certainly plausible. It basically destroys both the economic and sexual middle classes so those in the best position can exploit those below them both sexually and monetarily.
/r/MGTOW10/09/18 06:33 PM
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Technically you are correct - however, it is this kind of legalistic abuse that will have the hounds actively look for anything they can use against this community. We do not want to put a bullseye on this subreddit just to mess with posts in other subreddits. Why? Just go our own way.
/r/MGTOW10/09/18 05:06 PM
1

Baker
/r/MGTOW08/09/18 01:42 PM
13

It's especially vile since common courtesy is a virtue. That young boy was literally punished for doing a right thing. Teachers are supposed to encourage good behaviour and help socialize kids...
/r/MGTOW26/08/18 05:46 AM
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I mean I kind of expected these results, but it is nice to have scientific backing. Although I personally am kinda fine until down to 19°C - and already suffer at 25, so I assume my personal ideal temp is lower than normal. 22°C seems a good compromise for everyone though. I doubt any healthy person would feel unwell at that temperature.
/r/MGTOW25/08/18 08:50 AM
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Dating is a ladder, and at most steps one or the other sex is at a disadvantage: ​ - Courtship: The men are supposed to approach the women, take the emotional risks, possible pay for the dates or do stuff to impress the women, while the women select -> Male disadvantage, and women who purposely keep a man at this stage....friendzone them. - Sex: Women who are at least somewhat attractive usually have multiple men to choose from, while men (unless they are Chad) have to work really hard to get fe…
/r/MGTOW25/08/18 07:05 AM
1

Yeah. I mean kids matter, so that's something he's got going for him, but that kind of relationship...Ouch.
/r/MGTOW24/08/18 01:51 PM
1

I actually wanna visit it eventually, for a vacation. Anyone who already went there, or an Estonian willing to shed a little light on how expensive that would be?
/r/MGTOW23/08/18 09:30 AM
1

One of the things that does in fact help, and maybe you are already doing this, is physical exercise. At least 3-4 times a week, half an hour of aerobic exercise to get the heart pumping and burn off energy. It will probably help you cope. ​ As for forgetfulness and being disorganized - I suffered from that too, still do. What helps most is to almost...I would say drill or condition myself. Develop routines, rote ways of doing tasks that take care of what you need to do. Stop losing your keychai…
/r/MGTOW22/08/18 04:54 PM
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Projection - mostly. It's what many women who string along a beta man want as well. But I guess if I had women throwing themselves at me left right and Center because I was a top 20% man my human decency would be sorely tested as well. In a world in which the majority of sex is more and more casual, who would commit if they don't have to? Sure, it's better in the long run, but this is a BRUTAL test of impulse control. Sexual liberation drove down the value of relationships and faithfulness - so …
/r/MGTOW22/08/18 10:43 AM
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I think you went a little over the edge there, but I do agree on most points and think it is interesting you had that frank, honest conversation - for what good it does. With the age difference and the anonymity of the internet, it's not gonna have any immediate consequences, but maybe it does help provide this one women with, say, a miniature red pill (although she already admits she's into Chad). I think the sexual abuse within families and circles of acquaintances is really the one main disag…
/r/MGTOW22/08/18 10:38 AM
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There is still a small chance, albeit a small chance, that this is one of those relationships that is going the distance. If it being the one to pull the plug is...not good. Be ready to pull the plug once she gets distant or cheats, but pre-emptively scuttling the relationship seems wrong. Is it possible or even likely she is going to cheat? Yes, especially if your relationship goes long distance. If, however, you stay close enough to maintain the relationship I'd recommend you keep trying UNTIL…
/r/MGTOW22/08/18 07:04 AM
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OP confirmed for good guy - and I concur, most men would probably agree to play by these rules (meaning a certain sharing of wealth), but the sheer fact that your ex had little qualms over enjoying luxury while you lived very frugally, and the fact that many women would take your generosity for granted or even resent it does not improve matters. You split with your ex and many here went MGTOW because you can't find a sensible, friendly relationship with most modern women. They insist on imbalanc…
/r/MGTOW20/08/18 04:23 PM
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Yep. I mean they tried to normalize having been on dozens of cocks as well, basically try to negate their loss of relationship value for being a massive slut - cucking, of course, goes even further. Basically getting a beta male to commit and provide when he is no longer getting anywhere near a fair deal. It's a con job on the scale of an entire society.
/r/MGTOW20/08/18 10:43 AM
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If she's older than 25 and already had a few dozen Chads and Tyrone pump and dump her easily, any pretence of modesty is just that. That said, some genuine restraint or modesty are indeed valuable to me, for relationship purposes - of course that is of limited use to women near or past the wall who want to radically switch dating strategies.
/r/MGTOW20/08/18 10:20 AM
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One would assume they'd get that while on some level we like the fucking and the fast sex, there is a thing we want more than that if they want us to commit - sensible women interested in a long-term perspective themselves, and willing to work for it (and not just willing to let us work for it, that is part of the problem and one of the things the cosmo coaches usually get wrong for those older women looking to settle. Reciprocity is the keyword here) I mean if they reduce themselves to a sex ob…
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 04:21 PM
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I don't get it either. Maybe I am purple pilled or something, but I'd rather have a woman emotionally engaging while keeping her legs somewhat close (signalling that not every Chad can get on top of her within hours) than her acting slutty and docile. That's for cheap and easy sex, not relationships...
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 03:31 PM
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Definite agreement with society being shit and people never living up to an idealistic image of themselves - maybe I am being a bit naive and optimistic here. I still think it's ultimately the best course of action to be mildly optimistic, but I acknowledge that I might be off the mark. But yeah, all western societies are burdened with debt and in decline, often due to failed and idiotic policies that reward bad decisions and laziness (being a single mom, becoming obese) or that have older and w…
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 03:22 PM
3

Mostly where it would make sense to provide the most benefit to society, keep it as healthy and productive as possible and incentivizing behaviour that will benefit everyone on average. - Free education to Senior high school level, subsidies (limited ones) for higher education and trade schools. Do not make these entirely free as having people pay some sort of token fee makes them respect that education more and makes education vs. work out of school a more relevant choice - Universal healthcare…
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 01:40 PM
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Basically this. Capitalism in general is good, because it incentivizes hard work and productivity, but to suggest that the free market will solve everything when, in between public infrastructure, education and most importantly law enforcement there is actually no such thing as a free market. A total free market does in fact include both just getting up and leaving as well as robbery, rape and murder. We do not want that, and society works better if there is a certain minimum standard and disrup…
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 01:26 PM
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Sadly it is mostly bad - Ahri and YOLOna win and survive, most of the cool dudes die, and Rengar the shitcat isn't brutally disembowled. The animation is good and all, don't get me wrong, but all the toxic and shitty champions win.
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 12:32 PM
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48.3 Million?!? Why?!? I mean serioiusly, the coders and artists on the front line probably don't even make more than maybe 100k, and that's already generous. What could anyone be adding that is worth the salary of hundreds of production workers? That would be excessive even if the guy was actually good (which he wasn't)
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 03:03 AM
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Absolutely. There are warning signs both ways and it would benefit both men and women to take their relationships a bit seriously, especially if they want to commit. If we do not we do not get to complain if we are taken advantage off. Just like, for example, I cannot complain that slacking off as much as I did cost me years of career advancement and earnings. In fact, taking responsibility for one's own involvement in failures and hardships is necessary to learn and improve.
/r/MGTOW18/08/18 04:54 PM
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If he is an unpleasant morally bankrupt person, some patience before getting into a sexual relationship and/or procreation will weed a lot of them out, and actually listening to their fathers or older brothers as well as genuine friends (if they have them, few women do) weeds out a lot more. Many women who were with unreliable or abusive people knew what they were getting into on some level.
/r/MGTOW18/08/18 03:43 PM
4

Kinda looks like the mudflats on the North sea in northern Germany and the Netherlands. Nice, and has its very own distinct smell - is this also some kind of muddy ecosystem? Looks like a cool place to visit either way.
/r/MGTOW18/08/18 03:38 PM
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Holy shit you're right! Thanks for pointing that out, both articles have absolute gold mines in the comment section
/r/MGTOW18/08/18 06:57 AM
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I mean yeah, years of central banks flooding the markets with cheap money leads to the "overpressure" of available money going into every single niche, even dysfunctional or unattractive ones - a lot of that free money is essentially wasted once the good projects and investments are gone. Just used to make bad investments and inflate a bubble.
/r/MGTOW17/08/18 08:59 AM
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There is a reply on thought catalog: Dear girls who are finally ready for a nice guy - we don't want you anymore It is 100% on point and addresses all points on why men do NOT want to be shortchanged by these women. And why it's almost insulting to frame that as a chance or a favour.
/r/MGTOW16/08/18 06:20 PM
2

This may sound retarded (and it probably is), but maybe that woman actually thought she would get you jealous or get you more interested by fucking another dude/getting that BF. It would work on most reluctant women (who would definitely fight over a Chad who doesn't get hung up on them if they hesitate and instead bangs other women), and so naively they think it works on men. Of course getting a BF would either, if you wanted her but were hesitant/clumsy about the thing, kill your attraction OR…
/r/MGTOW15/08/18 10:12 AM
2

Do you have Ace Combat 5? Always thought it was a pretty cool game.
/r/MGTOW14/08/18 10:09 AM
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To expand on that: Women are mostly drawn to the top 20% of most attractive men. The wall is the point at which her attractiveness or sexual market value drops significantly - and below the point where the men she is attracted to or who she wants will even keep her around for one night stands and casual sex. Once a woman hits the wall she can no longer get what she wants from men and either stays mostly alone or settles/compromises a lot. Usually happens around 30, a few years later if she takes…
/r/MGTOW13/08/18 10:30 AM
4

Death in the shape of a Panzer battalion....holy shit are they FAT...
/r/MGTOW13/08/18 07:51 AM
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Yeah pretty much. I mean MGTOW probably is not the only way, but it's the one sensible option a lot of burnt or introspective men arrive sooner or later. Men who are not in the top 20% will never get treated all that well by most women, and with men in the 5/10 to 8/10 range the amount they get "shortchanged" by is the largest, exacerbated by the legal framework and social trends in place. Going MGTOW might not be initially considered the "ideal" result (because it denies the biological urges to…
/r/MGTOW12/08/18 04:20 PM
2

The video itself is wrongly titled and I only made it through half of it, but...I mean yeah, avoid women if you can, if not however I see nothing wrong with women taking care of their own shit and being approachable. Meh.
/r/MGTOW11/08/18 03:14 PM
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This is not really a MGTOW or feminist problem though, just radical muslims being disingenuous and fucked up.
/r/MGTOW11/08/18 08:00 AM
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That video is just weird and over the top. Yeah, I guess pressure to overfeminize or go for cute and girly even when it's probably not the best (or only viable) approach is a thing, but....really?!? Oh and that asian played the female lead in the british version of "Humans" which was a really good show. Watch it. I'll end the comment on that note
/r/MGTOW11/08/18 04:54 AM
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Thanks, but this is mostly a remix from things I read on this sub (credit where it is due) and partially stuff I have seen first hand from my interactions with women these last few years. Especially unsuccessful women (divorcees or single mums for example, but also the ugly girl in a group) will often deliberately sabotage others because they are unhappy and either want others to fail too or genuinely think other's failures improve their standing. Some men do this too (blue-pilled simps, mostly)…
/r/MGTOW10/08/18 10:36 AM
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Multiple reasons really: - Crabs in bucket/misery loves company: Women who themselves have made bad decisions during their prime years actually view their daughters as competition or want see them fail to provide delicious drama and good feels - preservation of self-image: While women are very aware of the wall at some point, actually admitting it (and acknowledging that their bad decisions are just that and fucked them over) would force them to take a long, hard look at themselves. Their daught…
/r/MGTOW10/08/18 08:21 AM
1

Article is poorly written sarcasm shitting on the author of the study, so the journalist seems to have her heart in the right place at least. But yeah, it wasn't so apparent until halfway through.
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 01:35 PM
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Akihabara is even worse in that regard - last time I went I was just plain overwhelmed, even if it is somewhat cool.
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 12:09 PM
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Now I do not know how much of it is true or not, but I will point out that Rito (sic ^_^), out of the many gaming companies out there, takes pains to be seen as and present themselves as progressive, quasi-feminist and what have you not. They censor/moderate in-game chat and forum quite strictly, have all kinds of new "diversity" hires in the newer champions or champion reworks/modern content etc. I mean they're not naughty dog, but they seem to have drunk the kool aid. So this article either st…
/r/MGTOW08/08/18 10:57 PM
1

True - and if one were to institutionalize mandatory paternity testing the women would fight over it or try to wring concessions elsewhere. As with some technological or social changes society needs to work out a new system that works for those involved. In this original case, of course, we see what happens when two such systems (with their strictures and limitations) collide. It's not always pretty.
/r/MGTOW07/08/18 05:45 PM
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I suspect the odds of at least a few of the children of those "monogamous" men being their own are...more than zero, but you are probably right in that cuckolding might have been very common. Still, outright allowing polygamy is a step backwards as far as I am concerned for the health of society. Both the economic and the sexual middle class are the beasts of burden that carry modern society. I do agree that muslim men start out more red pilled (and have a different set of blue pills when they a…
/r/MGTOW07/08/18 04:53 PM
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Still, polygamy is just the institutionalization of the 80/20 dynamic with the most successful men locking down most women and the rest of society fighting over the scraps. It's a slightly different take than today's free sexual market in that it is wealth and status, not looks, attitude and ability at emotional manipulation being the key factor in seeing who gets to do all the fucking, but polygamy is not a good thing imo.
/r/MGTOW07/08/18 03:55 PM
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Yeah, I dodged three in the last 15 months: First was aforementioned almost-relationship: After cucking me with another guy (apparently to get me jealous/interested of all things), me flipping out over this and her being in a relationship with that other guy for 5 months, I want to talk it over (I know, simp shit), she wants to fuck. She doesn't want to talk, gets angry. Waits for me later on and waves from me from the side of the street, I wave and drive off (didn't realize she wanted to try ag…
/r/MGTOW07/08/18 03:35 PM
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Or fuck him for some other arbitrary reason, but yeah. Of course this is confusing for the guy and a hit to his self-esteem, and makes him angry. They will of course show the same reaction if a guy has an obscure reason to refuse them, no matter how obscure. Honestly I could tell quite a bit just from the shitshow of my last big failed almost-relationship which provided me with a shovel full of red pills.
/r/MGTOW07/08/18 11:31 AM
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Women are supposed to be the gatekeepers of sexuality, meaning they decide who out of the teeming masses of willing masculinity they have sex with. If you turn them down (even inadvertently, like I did a few times in the past because I didn't see through her plausible deniability scenario that would lead up to me boning her) they feel it's presumptuous and/or an insult. They chose you out of their position of power to give you something valuable (access to their pussy) which you then inexplicabl…
/r/MGTOW07/08/18 08:45 AM
1

It's a perfect storm of destroyed gender roles, Hypergamy and economic disenfranchisement (shrinking middle class/ diminishing chances to make it from rags to riches) as well as social dissolution (because life has become so uncertain and people move around so much). Japan is hit by these factors the hardest, but yeah, it's not really a surprise
/r/MGTOW07/08/18 08:35 AM
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Well, working on yourself (getting in shape, getting a good or better job, developing skills/interests hobbies) serves you well regardless of whether you want to go full MGTOW monk or eventually try your luck with women again. I kinda agree that chadding it up isn't really the thing to do - but again, MGTOW doesn't have that many hard rules and strictures, it's more of an attitude/awareness thing (at least to me)
/r/MGTOW07/08/18 08:25 AM
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Seems like a composite of Kenja (賢者), basically "wise/clever/smart person" and japanized time (-> "taimu" is how you would phonetically spell it with Katakana). So basically the window of clarity after fapping that temporarily makes you a philosopher or wise man.
/r/MGTOW05/08/18 06:34 AM
1

I only discovered him a few days before he went away (with the 6ft. Thot standard video), so it's really good he's back. Catching up on his videos as we speak...Also: Does this mean he beat the doxxers/hate mob?
/r/MGTOW05/08/18 05:15 AM
1

I would not even think in those terms, rather in what would make tribes or societies function. They need (expendable) men contributing, even when they get no pussy or lesser access to resources - so men must, in terms of evolution, adapt to "perform" under almost any circumstance. Whereas women would have to make reproduction and mating a high priority if they are to continue their genes. Nature does not care if that puts old, past-reproduction women on the spot. Genetic selection is over by the…
/r/MGTOW04/08/18 11:57 AM
1

Thing is, if, evolutionary speaking, only 40% of men ever reproduced, but around 80% of women - men would have to be wired to accept not getting access to females and only being connected to their brotherhood or society at large - whereas women actually NEED to try mate. When women do no longer wish to make enough concessions to the men (especially they 4/10 to 8/10 bracket of guys) then they do, of course, not get that long-term companionship after the wall. Incidentally Sex and the City is one…
/r/MGTOW04/08/18 09:44 AM
1

Hmmm. It's not really a nice thing to do, most certainly, but in the end this is a private institution. Unless they receive a significant amount of public funding they do not have to be fair. That said...I do not think this kind of actual sexism is a good idea. Even though society probably benefits from correctly assigning resources, bending the rules to do it leaves a slightly bad taste in my mouth.
/r/MGTOW04/08/18 09:38 AM
1

Definitely agree there - in my end of europe, most of the recommended reading is very female-oriented and barely interesting for men. I am glad my family was full of SciFi/Fantasy enthusiasts, which is what I cut my teeth on. Even then, with the current crop, there is definitely an influx of more progressive/SJW themes (even with formerly very traditional/conservative authors, for example Brandon Sanderson jumped ship and went over to the dark side. His original Mistborn Trilogy is extremely goo…
/r/MGTOW04/08/18 09:31 AM
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Cucks....well, not necessarily. But they take a significantly increased risk of being cucked, and get a much worse deal. They expend a lot more effort for a woman who is probably not loyal and tanked her sexual market value by wasting her good years and probably acquiring loads of baggage from Chads. And instead of that investment making the women feel obligated and valued, they see it as a weakness - so the chances of them monkey-branching or cucking these men are increased. Some women can lear…
/r/MGTOW31/07/18 11:48 AM
2

Nothing I can off the cuff - I talked to a few of these and did get a handout after an experiment that explained some of it (in german, unfortunately), but I think there should be some publications around. They are basically an offshoot of the macroeconomics people and the law faculty, and have post-grad students for the most part. Let me see what I can dig up.
/r/MGTOW29/07/18 04:37 PM
2

Well....I got into an apprenticeship as a baker in my late 20s - and in my early 30s I am one of the younger guys in my company, so yeah... I honestly believe in a model where people get to work earlier and university etc. comes later in life AFTER some experience etc. - education is far too front-loaded these days EDIT: Do note that I am from a european country, but overall the picture is similar
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 03:31 PM
1

Add in the fact that women who are currently in a relationship are (at least to me) entirely unattractive for any ltr - it's really simple. Either they would cheat or quickly abandon their relationship to monkey branch - and same way they come, they go. So if they intend to hot-swap from active dating, they actually tell all men who aren't entirely blue pill to pump and dump or stay away.
/r/MGTOW24/07/18 02:25 AM
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This is so...pointless. She is just listing off generic negative traits with no explanation of their origins, early warning signs etc. With few exception this could be a list of "bad types of bosses at work" - so this is generic and lazy "Wah most men are evil, you go girl!" writing...besides, if they want a quality men, NOT constantly dating and taking time to sort out their shit instead might actually improve their chances
/r/MGTOW23/07/18 06:16 PM
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This is pretty interesting, and I agree - that withdrawing, more or less, the carrot dangled in front of men will cause most men to walk away from the sacrifices they'd have to make (by either becoming MGTOW - working hard but not sharing the fruits of their labour with women - or Herbivore men who just lack any kind of ambition and would rather live an easy, drifting lifestyle than exert themselves in anyway since they feel the results are not worth the price). I also like how she described the…
/r/MGTOW21/07/18 11:47 AM
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Now not to rain on your parade OP - while I do think your decision is correct (do not settle for being Plan B in a long-term relationship, do not tolerate cheating) I think turning the relationship into long distance after maybe a year, and long-distance for years, too, is a tough pill to swallow. Yeah, she probably should have communicated that better and/or stayed true to pulling the plug - instead of a) coming back only after you (through no intention of your own) made her jealous and b) chea…
/r/MGTOW18/07/18 03:38 PM
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