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According to blue pillers here, men who trust and listen to women “should have known better” all along (after all the arguments of failed usually). Aka have a anti-social personality disorder and do not trust women from a young age. Then they will reply after reply to your post until you get bored and do something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:20 AM
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Actually, it helps prove the red pill is right. If the only argument that blue pillars have is some form of “should have just known better lol,” then the red pill and Mgtow are right about everything. It is just a stupid mind game to try to win when you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:17 AM
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Nope, women are valued for who they are. They get free pass after free pass. That only super privileged men get anything close to what the average women receives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:13 AM
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Only if you actually get said value. Most men cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:12 AM
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Always has been like that. Pre-internet, most men did not know Jack shit about women for that reason
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 08:23 PM
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Earth
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 08:20 PM
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True, there are always exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 08:19 PM
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I thought men drew lots of satisfaction and ego from competence and skill? Because they have to. That is what men have to do to have value. Are you saying men would rather be corpulent, dependent and immobile seed dispensers, like a queen termite, than active players? Fascinating I am saying that it is better to be valued for who you are over what you do. And men can easily accept and value other men. I’m pretty sure extending basic human courtesy counts And we can easily end homelessness and su…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 04:17 PM
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What does average women get that average man does not, besides offers of sex and a lack of suspicion? More support. A good example of this is domestic shelters. With it being close to 50-50 gender split for victims but with over 400 domestic shelters for women while the shelters for men are in the single digits. Disadvantaged in work. Men work a lot more and in more dangerous jobs (over 95% of work related deaths) to get by as they have nobody to rely on for support. Health in general. Men are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 04:15 PM
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Do women not need to have something of value also? No, I even personally know women who are complete and total failures that have success in life just because they are women. Even single mothers get tons of things that her equal male counterpart does not get. Heck men should cannot afford kids are sent to prison or lose the kids. While The only time it will look different is if you compare a low value woman with a higher value man. But that is not an honest comparisonz
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 04:06 PM
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Because the culture does not value men as human beings, but human doings. We have to provide something to be accepted in anything outside of the family. Money, status, looks, entertainment, usefulness, emotional security, you need to have something. And it sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:48 PM
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Fat people are actually stronger then those sexy body builder models a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:47 PM
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Men will not accept you either if you have no utility to them. There are exceptions here, but by and large, modern mr-first culture has Meade relationships a trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:46 PM
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You are misunderstanding something. Being stronger or more successful doesn’t mean better. Often the most successful and strongest people are miserable and insecure. The closest to better is what is most satisfying for the individual in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:40 PM
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Nah, it “sucks” to be a man for you are not valued for who you are. So unless you are born with some privilege, you are going to spend your whole life working hard or just accept being invisibles
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:36 PM
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The whole “he is just sooo mysterious” bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:35 PM
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That is another factor people refuse to consider. Women who do not like a man will force the conversation to be awkward no matter what. You can have the charisma of a god, but a person can just shut that all down with one word responses (okay sure, etc) until he gives up. Then she will use that as an excuse to justify why she rejected him, even though it was impossible for him to be charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:29 PM
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Because people keep labeling people who are not autistic as autistic due to humans love of being an armchair psychologist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:28 PM
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The issue is that people do not want to admit lookism and a persons environment matter as it basically means people are responsible for there actions upon others. A socially awkward person just never had the opportunity to learn for some reason. Bullying, looks, etc all lead to that result. Some will keep trying and be denied the chance to get the experience to learn it. While the confident man just kept getting lifted up until he was confident. Many of these men were just as awkward at first, p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:27 PM
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Because men are more open to a women’s flaws. Some even find said flaws “cute” and attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:24 PM
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Sadly, yes. Most modern Women treat relationships like a employee/employer relationship. You are valid until your usefulness is up. So you need to bring something like looks and/or money to the table. You can bring other things too (like emotional security) but a tool is still a tool.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:23 PM
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This so much, dating game is not that complex. If she is attracted to you, the relationship and/or causal relationship just happens. There is no game, it just works out. Trying to play a game in dating is just a lose-lose situation, even if you get something from it, you need to keep playing the game forever unless you are prepared for the relationship to end.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:21 PM
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The divorce boom happened for the grass is always greener and the culture changed from trying to make the perfect relationship together to just getting the perfect match from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:17 PM
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That sounds like the argument people make to justify buying lottery tickets every week. At a certain point it is better to invest time somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:15 PM
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Not to mention that ugly people are treated worse so saying social awkwardness is the problem is just dishonest. Social awkwardness, low confidence, low self-respect is the result of being treated worse because of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:12 PM
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Women quickly lose attraction in relationships, so it honestly doesn’t even matter if she is attracted to you or not (for the long term, not short term).
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 02:09 PM
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Most people do not understand how strength works. Most assume that it is just based on looks when it really isn’t (probably due to media portraying the sexy guy as the strongest m). Some really fat guys are stronger then the super buff looking body builders.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 01:03 PM
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Such is the nature of an adulterous women, to wipe her mouth and say she did nothing wrong. It is the dark side of women, they use words as tools unlike men.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 01:00 PM
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I looked at a hot mom giving me the “I want you eyes” with disgust when I saw her pushing the baby in a local park. She just looked at the ground in shame. Women know what they are doing and why it is wrong, these women just do not care and want more shit.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 12:43 PM
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Well the thing with the game is that it is all stupid. Someone who loses this game was probably just unlucky or ignorant of the rules or that it was a game at all. The whole concept of losers and winners is stupid really.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 12:41 PM
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I am tired of it being socially okay to hate on men/boys because of the individual woman’s poor decisions. Older men would just laugh, but young and vulnerable men are being destroyed by this shit.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 12:40 PM
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The issue is that they are refusing to take responsibility for there ignorance. It is one thing to do a bad job because you do not know what you are doing, another not taking responsibility for your bad job after you find out you did a bad job
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 12:38 PM
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She cares about her boys success, but wants her man with her despite the cons for her sake.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 12:36 PM
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Nah, women do not care what there son is, they want him to win no matter what.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 12:35 PM
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It is unattractive, people just think it is. The standards for what is actually attractive for women is pretty low because of how diverse beauty is. Some people will find tan girls as the best, others will find fair skinned girls the best, others find gothic pale skin the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 12:34 PM
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Which is it then? Was he out of my league and i was chasing chad? Or looks aren't everything? Both
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 12:32 PM
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Then he was out of your league. He knew you and rejected you for non-shallow traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 11:09 AM
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Looks are not everything and I bet you are over valuing yourself. Sounds like he either was already taken or he has some other value that you purposefully refused to mention (the aspects that made you want him in the first place). I am guess he has a killer personality and/or a really good job.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 11:08 AM
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And yet, having a home is better then either option.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 11:04 AM
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It maybe not as men do not like sex as much as you think. Men are just sexually starved so they think about sex a lot. Under “patriarchy” relationships were king with sex being regulated to something only married people do and it is largely seen as something only for kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 11:04 AM
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Forgot to mention that bad or misused data that supports blue pill points are loved even after someone proves the data wrong (usually by just reading the study).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 11:01 AM
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USA, even you think pale skin is “unattractive” lol. Maybe it happened as a knee jerk reaction to men finding women with fair skin as the most attractive back in the 60s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 11:00 AM
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I love sweet karma when it actually happens Talks shit until on the receiving end.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 02:29 PM
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Competition
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 02:24 PM
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This. Most women do not have fair skin anymore, so it has novelty for that alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:06 PM
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Nah, ai doesn’t work like that. We just have to implement simple checks so it cannot modify its initial programming. Bam done. And that is assuming the ai is self-learning in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:30 PM
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The reality is relationships are dying and unless we go back to hard times they are not coming back for large numbers of people. People are just too innately selfish for relationships to work unless they need other people for something. Relationship bots are the only thing we can do unless we modify our genes, which will most certainly be used for the wrong reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:28 PM
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It is more that change takes time. The first few generations will be anti-sex bots if only due to jealousy and the sunken cost fallacy. After the people around before the technology came to be are off the market, then it will quickly be accepted by the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:25 PM
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Well betrayal is often labeled as the worst sin, worse then murder and rape.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 12:27 PM
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He is worse he has actually hurt multiple people under the guise of “helping him.” There is that one mentally ill girl who went missing for over a year now after she directly called out what Dr Phil was doing (mocking her).
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 12:26 PM
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It is more humans do stupid things for we are animals. Unless the kid has been disciplined when young, he has to learn the same lesson as a adult. The difference is that nobody can protect him if he falls at points.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 11:56 AM
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Nope, just words you do not like.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 11:50 AM
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Well, this isn’t he first time it happened. During times of abundance, cultures take the people holding things together for granted and dark dried manipulators create celebrity and bum worship as that is the world they want (to sit around and get shit for free).
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 11:49 AM
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Sounds like something someone who never practiced red pill techniques would say or a women. Like it or not, it works on most if not all groups of women. Not the losers you hope it works on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 11:08 AM
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IT sucks in big companies for that reason. They are too big to fail so the focus is on office politics over doing the job. Getting into a small job though let’s you bypass most of the bs.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 10:26 AM
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You could also use your degree and hard elbow grease and get into another field. Prove your worth in something like computer science and you will get success.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 10:25 AM
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Alos, op needs to look at unrecorded history. Where humanity was a socialist utopia where everyone got everything they wanted. Incel wanted the 10/10 girl tonight? He got it (opposite was also true). It was only after rare traits (blonde hair) and land ownerships (so you are saying I cannot get with the blonde girl despite the fact that I put more effort in and I am more valuable? ) that this system became unsustainable. Which eventually resulted in attmepts at a one man, one public wife system.…
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 10:23 AM
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Yes and no. It only works that way when society forces women to marry the most useful idiot. Give women the choice and they will just empower sexy bums instead. The only reason men are still trying to be the useful idiot is because we are in a transitional period. Conservative values are dying, but they are not dead. And either way it will be a shit deal For the man.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 10:15 AM
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They sucked based on what every old man I listen to said. Even the happy old couples had the man warn me not to get married. Tradcuck relationships are just servitude with no payout. Which is why the man was respected, he was sacrificing himself for others, everything that he was and had went to the marriageZ
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 10:13 AM
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Men are just more emotional. Women cry to get shit (ever see how fast a woman stops crying when she realizes it isn’t going to work). But when a man cries you know he is truly feeling it. Even the cry baby boys I knew were just more emotional.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 10:10 AM
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Epiphany phase only hits women once men stop simping for them long enough that they are forced to consider reality if only for a moment. So it is usually average women chasing chads that have it at 30 (now used and feeling entitled to the love of a high end woman).
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 10:07 AM
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The only difference between sexy rich people and the average good man is money. Everything they have that makes them look better is just bought and/or artificial.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 10:04 AM
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The thing about relying on looks is that they do not last. Even if you age well, you have to be really sexy to get anything so you will still quickly see a large drop in income.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 10:03 AM
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They would either exile or stone then all. No joke. Although that was because one women sleeping with a Chad would put the whole community in danger due to the damage it would do to stability. So they couldn’t let that shit go.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 09:52 AM
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You guys need to read Spartan history and what women did with the wealth they inherited from men who died on the front lines (spoiler: it was all about liberalism, feminism and talking shit about poor men).
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 09:48 AM
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Oh man, people can always go lower. Even if we hit the center of the earth, we will find a way to dig deeper.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 09:44 AM
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It is because the only people who are listened to are women these days as they are the only ones seen as human. You could be the next Einstein and nobody would care until either long after you are dead and they are enjoying your inventions or you are loaded and they want a piece. Heck, nobody even cared about Jesus until after he was dead...and they killed him out of jealousy for FUN.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 09:43 AM
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I find even the greatest man alive isn’t loved. People lust after him, want to be him, fear him, want his money/success, etc. But nobody actually loves him...or perhaps even likes him. So most successful people are dark triad asses as they are the only ones that can handle coming to terms with that reality. A good man who hits it big just ends up a fucking mess when he comes to terms with the reality that he will never be loved by anybody. They become shitty, addicted to drugs, kill themselves, …
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 09:37 AM
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The funny part is that women get so much more then men for free yet they waste it all. Any women could be a rich programmer even doing a shitty job. Yet none do.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 09:31 AM
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Which means he is smart funnily enough. Nobody who isn’t a idiot would play these shit games unless they learned the truth about them via the red pill.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 09:28 AM
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That is like telling a homeless man that he should count his blessings as atleast he isn’t in Africa. Just because someone has it worse doesn’t mean one’s own life issues are irrelevant. Heck, a lucky man can suffer hard in an area yet still be super lucky in others. The issue is that your attempt to improve there mood in this way will only last a very small amount of time.
/r/MGTOW19/04/21 09:22 AM
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I would say PPD loves data until it is actually posted and support trp claims on anything, then suddenly data is bad and anecdotal good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:19 AM
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They do, they just refuse to accept anything. A 9/10 would gladly spend time with a 7/10, a 6/10 with a 3/10, etc. The problem is that he will not commit unless he is desperate for sex to the point he has no self-respect and/or self-esteem or the girl is as good as he can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:14 AM
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It doesn’t matter how many different men you ask, your league is your league. If every single guy you ask out only wants you for sex, it is pretty obvious you are aiming for men who are out of your league. They obviously will not see you as beneath them, they just will never see you as special for you are not special to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:11 AM
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He is saying that most men would literally kill to have the half-assed options like you have as they get far less then you do no matter what they do. Like how some poor person in a third world country in Africa would love to be a poor person in a first world country.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:08 AM
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Show me an example of RPers bragging about rejecting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:05 AM
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I remember getting in a fight with a girl who kept rejecting good men and getting with abusive piece of shit losers. But she just hamstered all the good men as bad and all the bad men as good. Now she talks shit about men, a single mother and has ptsd. Yet she still refuses to stop seeing this dude who couldn’t even handle a job at McDonalds while curving good men still. Eventually you just have to shrug it off like Laythrblameonluck as women just keep rationalizing away everything to avoid doin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:04 AM
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Nice edit btw
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:23 AM
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but so to some men who get defended by their male fans when they're accused of sexual misconduct Bullshit, most men get defended due to the idea of “innocent until proven guilty,” not because there are high fiving them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:21 AM
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Largely, women focus on protecting themselves from losing, men focus on trying to win. It is why women are just willing to wait and blame others when something just doesn’t work out and why so many women refuse to take agency or responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:37 AM
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Here is the thing, an individual can never be better at everything. In order to be the best at one thing, another must be neglected. Also, what you think is best doesn’t translate to what others think is best. So even though you are better overall, that man has “something” you do not. More free time, different personality that you would lack because of your success, more time with her or Perhaps even just something as simple as you not being the very best for a few hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:31 AM
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Because men are fine with just sex and going without marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:23 AM
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Funnily enough, the men who get away with rape are feminists greatest allies (Bill Clinton) or innocent. And when a women like Cardi B and Riley Reid publicly brag about raping men, they are praised.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:53 PM
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Because it is unhealthy to do that and leaves you ripe to be used, abused then trashed. It is just okay when men do it because fuck men.
/r/MGTOW17/04/21 07:51 PM
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Sounds like they are ramping up for war several years down the line. And if things continue with the west, we could lose the same way Rome and such did. To a weaker outside source because men are too weak and/or unwilling to defend the culture. Makes sense, they need to go to war at this point to get enough women or dispose of there surplus men. Sounds awful, but that is how they think.
/r/MGTOW17/04/21 07:42 PM
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You forgot to mention that we are all monsters that will rape and pillage if given the chance or look at a women wrong and get away with it all (atleast according to blue pillars here lol). Sigh, I wish I was exaggerating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:38 PM
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Yeah sure, the person getting pissed at everyone here who is hating on men is a closet man hater because he goes out of his way to point out how evil and sick it is to assume all men are rapists because a sub 10% (if not 5%) of men are vile like that. Also, nice gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:34 PM
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Yet here you are afraid of men because you keep surrounding yourself with dangerous men or longing for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:30 PM
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Are you kidding me? At that point you might as well not drive or go outside during a storm. You are more likely to be killed by your toilet, then by a random man. Actually, you would probably be safer in a relationship with a man as he would just scare away all the potential rapists just hiding in bushes everywhere. Or are you just purposefully going out of your way to get involved with evil men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:27 PM
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You are right, I cannot understand the pure hatred that a bigoted women feels for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:24 PM
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The issue is that nobody wants to consider the women’s equal male counterpart because of women’s nature and gynocentrism. Women who have to sell there bodies in Venezuela just to live have it really bad and people feel bad for these women. But her equal male counterpart cannot get the means to live at all and is probably dead or close.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:26 PM
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India? You mean the county where men are literally forced into marrying women who want them via shotgun marriages. India treats men like shit, so bad that MRA is actually gaining tons of traction there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:21 PM
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You think voting for who rules over you is giving you a voice?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:18 PM
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Well duh, how could anybody like a group of people that is largely dishonest, cowardly and sees you as a tool to milk. All the while you lust for them disregardless of what you truly want it feel for them. Add western women’s open hate for men and watching super spoiled women like Madonna talk about how oppressed they are compared to you who never has a single privilege in your whole life, you get anger, disappointment and disgust It is how men like tupec goes from kind, soft and gentle to screa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:16 PM
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Well, think of having no options but those that disgust you. Even if you said no, the desire is still there and is incredibly strong no matter what you do. That is why men lust after these women, desperation and being sexually starved.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:11 PM
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About point 2, it is more that the truth is just out there for those oppressed classes to learn. In privileged classes, people are raised with rose tinted world views that often come back to bite them later.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:09 PM
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It is more that women want vile men to be soft and sensitive betas for them while remaining a piece of shit to everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:06 PM
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Because obviously there are very little wgtow in existence. Mostly because women do not have the risks that men have to deal with in relationships (divorce rape). So the only reason to not want a relationship as a women is if you are fired and want to think you quit instead or you just do not have any interest in what men providez
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:59 PM
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The fuck would I be scared of something like that? Especially since most men are good people. I am more likely to be killed by my toilet then a random man. Should we all just be terrified driving too (the most dangerous thing we do really)? And everything else? Racists pull the same stuff with this fear, it is just pure hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:55 PM
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So basically you hate men and have to make it about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:52 PM
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Doesn’t matter, men do not fear men like women do out of unfounded insecurity or hate. Your car is more likely to kill you, no your toilet. Also, such thoughts are just plain bigotry. If you do not agree, show me some data that random men are likely to rape and kill randomly like you say. I have asked this several times now and I have not received a single source. Nobody has any data besides flat out lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:51 PM
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It think is is more that women are more welcomed overall for your second point. You have to prove you have some use to enter into men’s groups (even if it is just entertainment via jokes). So women just end up more confident and socially skilled by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:46 PM
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No, they do it for there sexual needs are not met in the relationship or the relationship is in a rocky spot, or he married someone he doesn’t find attractive, divorce is too expensive, etc. Most likely scenario is that he loves his wife, while is using the mistress for the benefits they provide. This might confuse you as a women, but sex is different for men. We do not even release oxytocin during sex (it is released via cuddles) and we can easily separate love from sex as a result. Now obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:41 PM
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Nah, it was just because OP is obviously a misandrist. She is just fishing for excuses here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:37 PM
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That isn’t life, that is how humans cope with being ignorant. Humans are not life, just a SMALL part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:35 PM
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Source or BULLSHIT. And I do not mean stupid news article of site’s referencing the source, show me a source that says that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:34 PM
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No, stereotypes and hatred are not life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:24 PM
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Because your personality and everything WOULDN’T be the same as you would be a completely different person. Do you really think that your personality and consciousness is linked? Most of it is the result of your upbringing, the rest your genes. If you were born within someone else’s body, you would have there personality, there beliefs, there world views.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 10:23 PM
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Masturbation isn’t sex, the body even knows it is different (else men would not even bother getting a girl).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:21 PM
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Actually, sexual surrogacy is LEGAL in the United States as it is in a grey area. Although it is more for teaching people how to have sex, get over sexual trauma, etc. Look it up, I am not joking. They really should just make it legal already.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:20 PM
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Netherlands as the right idea with there “right to intimacy” view. Nobody is forced to do anything they do not want. It is just a level of selflessness that places like America lack with it’s crab bucket mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:18 PM
2

This. There is no one person that hold the responsibility the vast market of the time.
/r/MGTOW16/04/21 05:15 PM
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Then I would say incredibly likely, if not the vast majority of the time women want someone who makes more then them. And I hope so, only an idiot would chase someone who makes less in women’s shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:14 PM
2

And that is biggoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:12 PM
2

A combination of the environment, upbringing, punishments/incentives, discipline, etc. All that accommodate in the individual making what they believe is the best choice based on all these factors and knowledge of the situation. Here is a question: If you were born as someone else (same personality and everything involved), would you make different choices then them? You have the same experiences, knowledge. Personality and everything else. No, you would make the same choice every time. Free wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:11 PM
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Doesn’t mean she is forced to sleep with him or anything like that, just that it is a problem and needs to be addressed in some form (unless the partner is okay with it). Because at that point, it is like refusing to kiss your partner for a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:05 PM
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Life is sexist, no bigoted, by design. Tons of creatures and life are just born to lose on purpose to test the waters for diversities sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 02:34 PM
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Nope. Women have agency like men do. While enablers are not guiltless and do help cause the problem, the only one who can be really blamed for an individual’s behavior is the individual in question. You are trying to push the responsibility away from women and onto men, which will never work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 02:30 PM
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Alimony, child custody and such. So she can break her vows, leave and punish him for it. But if he breaks his vows, he is also punished for it. Which is why op’s double standard exists in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 02:28 PM
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Nope, because the argument is about the risk that “Women still want a man who makes more than them” I mean, out of context you are right. But in context the argument doesn’t apply as you are trying to prove him wrong. So saying “not all women do it” does not prove that women do not do it. Just like saying “not all men rape” does not prove that rape just doesn’t happen period.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 02:25 PM
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But that is still a insignificant number of men overall. We are talking atleast sub 10% here, if not sub 2%.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:35 PM
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Mgtow is trp but it is men who just think relationships are not worth it due to red pill truths. If Mgtow gets big enough, the demand for sex and love from women would crash and cause the “pussy bubble” to pop. Resulting in a crash in the price of getting a women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:34 PM
2

The thing is that understanding mental illness shows how little control we have over ourselves. We think our actions are our own until we see how little control someone else has when they are mentally ill. They also think they have control, but they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:29 PM
2

This right here, sadly it will be ignored because it is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:18 PM
1

No, it is because marriage rates are dropping.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:14 PM
1

Nah, it is more what mgtow teaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:12 PM
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You have full control over how you act. Sounds like you know nothing on mental disorders and addictions. Humans are just animals and we have far less control then we give ourselves credit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:11 PM
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Bullshit. Women can change there behaviors too, they just do not have to so they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:10 PM
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Shhh, hating on men as evil monsters based on feelings alone is the only form of hatred allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:09 PM
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What is the likelihood that a random man will go on a rampage for such a stupid reason? Show me data that backs up your point. Everything that I have seen point to a very, very small percentage of men being willing to do that. Most crimes are committed between people who know each other (gang on gang violence, etc). The idea that a random man will just go on a killing spree just because they didn’t get sex like that is just bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:08 PM
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The issue is that men are fighting each other for sex in western cultures. So if a large chunk start quiting the market, the remaining will go “lol, more for me” and start spoiling women in there place. Until a large number of men are willing to say no, it is just going to snowball. Aka a prisoners dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 01:01 PM
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The biggest problem with the last point is the women “not in the mood” often refuse to let the man escalated like that as they themselves treat it like a on-off switch.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:55 PM
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Not an argument. It doesn’t matter if it is all or not, the fact that even some do that makes his point true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:52 PM
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Nobody is owed anything really. The real issue is marriage entitling women to commitment (greatly punishing men for breaking said commitment) while she can back down from her marriage vows if she feels like it. Although that is more of an issue of divorce just needing to be fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:52 PM
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Bullshit on “all the time” And since relationships are a two way street, it depends on how often she is not in the mood. If she is not in the mood for a month plus frequently, then she is being unreasonable and he has legitimate grievances (and vice versa, women are victims of dead bedrooms too). The same if he/she refuses to do something else that he/she needs and/or did a very important for extended periods of time. Doesn’t mean she is forced to sleep with him or anything like that, just that …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:49 PM
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Nah, they have higher, but most still have low standards...relatively speaking. They still are willing to go down 2 points from where they are at. It is just that they are 8 or 9, so two points down is a 6 or 7 at minimum. Which, compared to the average man, is more picky.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 12:08 PM
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That's dual mating strategy.. That's a whole different issue. The reason marriage is failing is due to its high risk-low benefit structure to men. You need to reread my post, I noted that (in addition to what LowCreddit said about it behind risky and costly) the benefits are gone (for the reasons you said) so it ends up being both High risk and has very low benefits these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 12:05 PM
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Spoken like someone who knows absolutely nothing about computer science. I am a full stack developer and it is NOT in it’s infancy anymore. And not anybody can be a programmer anymore. If anything, it shows the opposite as most people just do not have the skills needed to be a good programmer. I have built api integrations with amazon (which is how I know the head of Amazon’s api division doesn’t have a degree) and I was hired to replace someone with a masters level degree who just wasn’t cut fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 09:39 PM
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It is more that women think equality is that they are above there equal.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 06:45 PM
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Man, I remember all the good men (5 to 7s) who just never got chances with women because they were “too nice” and such they suffered so much. One is dead due to lack of success as he put all the blame on himself (he was the kindest man I knew). Then these women bitch when they get what they want and then take it out on innocent men who would have and always would treat them right. Women are trying so hard to make it look like men have too high of standards and such (like men have standards perio…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 06:45 PM
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Worse. Women want the type of man she can never have. If a high value man got with her, she would feel too good for him after a short period of time and look elsewhere. Even if she stays with him due to lack of options, she will always think she is better and thus treat him poorly.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 06:36 PM
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She is just refusing to take responsibility, which is why she is doing everything you said. She has the options so there is no excuse here. She probably had many amazing options she turned down for stupid reasons. She is just super spoiled and as a result impossible to please. 77 dates, many men cannot even get twenty potential partners in there while lives.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 06:30 PM
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No, tools are just tools. They just enable people to do what they wish. A murder didn’t kill because of guns, the gun enabled him to commit the violence he always wanted to do. She can still find love the old way, but she doesn’t want to. She wants the perfect guy and is using social media to do it. Before social media, most women just learned to accept that they cannot have perfection because they are not worthy of it. Now women use social media and such to avoid responsibility and looking in t…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 06:26 PM
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And the funniest part is how they hurt good men, even destroy many completely in hopes of justifying there decisions.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 06:15 PM
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So you didn’t read any of the studies I linked then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 06:11 PM
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It is a hiring strategy. By making the requirements so steep, it scares away people who are not skilled enough to do a job. But in reality, they do not care. All they care about is hiring the best candidate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:25 PM
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Lol, not playing semantic games.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:24 PM
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Men, those school shooters are stupid and well sad. What is killing a bunch of random people going to do? Nothing. But at the same time it is sad for they are mentally sick and needed help they never got.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 04:20 PM
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Well, it is that we do not care if we appear masculine (a useful tool) to society by definition of mgtow. So yes, we are technically a “bunch of pussies” for doing what is best for us. Just like someone who refuses to fight in a stupid war as cannon fodder for some dark triad is a coward.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 04:18 PM
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Oh I know about them, just pointing out how annoying it is
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 02:20 PM
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That is Side effect and does the opposite of what anybody wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 02:19 PM
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Hard to be positive when looking at how shit everything is at that age. It will take more experience before he stops giving shits
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 02:19 PM
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All women do is make it so you need more beer to live
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 02:18 PM
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Also, why societies ultimately end up controlling women’s sexuality. Sex isn’t that important to alphas, but power is.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 02:16 PM
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Which is why it should stop. Just imagine if men stopped doing shit for a week, things would get so much better for men.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 02:15 PM
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The issue with pros is that they are overpriced like crazy in the states. So you end up paying 200+ for meh women that would be 50ish and far better quality where it is legal. Those women are smart though. They are all loaded as plenty of men have so much money they do not care. So you need to fork over 400ish plus to get a good experience sexually unless you are lucky.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 01:47 PM
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And yet everyone I know that doesn’t have a degree are doing just fine in white collar jobs. You just have to prove that you are worthy another way and be patient. Hell, the current head of Amazon’s api department doesn’t have a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 01:45 PM
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Well, those that are ignorant truly are innocent and just desperate for love and sex. Something we are all bombarded with no matter what we do. You cannot even go on the internet without being spammed with ads about love and sex. Which does many things. It makes you think it is amazing. That everyone is getting it easily. It is something that real men do and get. 4 puts you in a constant state of arousal. That good men get it and it will all be worth it in the end. And you cannot escape it unles…
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 01:42 PM
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Sex is a psychological need, everyone needs sex to varying degrees (besides asexuals). It is even placed on the very bottom of Maslows hierarchy of needs, which means it is arguably as important as food in terms of reaching ones complete self. The issue is that men in average need it more often and/or struggle getting that need filled. And a psychological need that isn’t fulfilled is obsessed about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 01:16 PM
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Women not liking kindness is actually one of red pills most valid arguments as there are LOADS of studies on it. We have entire threads just FILLED with studies saying you are wrong. Here are two examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/m50uqg/comment/gqxo6sj https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/cux0dm/discussion_research_finds_that_women_do_not/ There are more, far more studies on it. Hell, women have literally told me straight up that x man was “too nice” to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 01:13 PM
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What? Even if mgtow and trp are bitching 24/7 about women, the very nature of both is taking responsibility just by what they are. Trp is all about improvement and how you are not owed a women, Mgtow is about accepting you cannot get what you want from a relationship therefore you should quit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 01:09 PM
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You also need to post the incredibly low martial satisfaction rates too. Even if you stay together, most marriages end up in a “cheaper to keep her” situation because of stupid divorce laws. And even if it is satisfying, it doesn’t mean good, it just means atleast okay level relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 01:06 PM
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It is more then that. Basically, women are asking for far more from beta bux then ever before, giving far less, waiting far longer, along with the legal risks ontop of that. The beta strategy use to be the preferred method as most men would prefer just sleeping with and spoiling one women over the effort needed to maintain a alpha lifestyle. Plus women preferred it to so high value men rushed to be the 10/10 good man (atleast in public).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 01:03 PM
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Because hating on men is cool as is worshipping women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:59 PM
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This. Also several types of red pill group posters all here, some of which that are opposed to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:59 PM
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If they wanted money, they would go into the trade skills or directly into the job (unless they are good at and are in a stem field). Otherwise college is just a net negative to your pocket book.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:28 PM
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Sex is like money. When you have the amount you want/need, it doesn’t matter. When you don’t, it is the most important thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:26 PM
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Also, fuck simps who allow this. Doesn’t excuse her, but fuck them for rewarding this shit.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 12:04 PM
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Well, it is how women “catch there prey.” They often Emulate the traits that they believe will get them the man that the want. Then they either drop them or keep them at a shallow level.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 12:02 PM
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I hate original sin, it is nothing more then a way to justify self hatred and to absolve oneself of agency.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 12:00 AM
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I see (it was a different link), you do realize the data for that chart is being misused right? Here is the info on the survey they used (see annotation 1 on that site and look at the annotation on the pie graph to confirm this), https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245 You can even look at the survey they used (the 2017 one) To be clear: Each year, data are obtained from a nationally representative sample of about 240,000 interviews on criminal victimization, involving 160,000 unique p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 06:18 PM
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The data you linked doesn’t even have a pie chart, nor does it mention 19.5% anywhere. But perhaps I missed it or it is missing on mobile, can you paste the picture of the pie chart please? (I am not saying you are lying, mobile damages the format of web pages at times) This seemed to me like you were conflating the two to begin The original argument noted that objection is dangerous for men can rape women as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 03:43 PM
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This is a good point. I believe that doesn’t count for all of the discrepancy though. It is probably a certain percentage of women doing what genzeded said along with what you said in the other cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 03:32 PM
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I see, so I am right then, there is no good data on the subject and it is just pure hatred against men. IDC how you move the goal posts and try to put words in my mouth. I mean, Idk comparing it to racism seems like a big stretch just to justify ogling at pretty women. Really? How the hell is ogling rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 03:22 PM
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Culture declines are a slow process and it does not mean it has to be a mad max scenario. It is based on acceleration and We have to blow through all our built up momentum before we start losing steam (which I think we are close to running out of). We are in the apathy phase still all things considered. Bondage to spiritual enlightenment to courage to liberty to abundance to selfishness to apathy to dependency back to bondage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 03:15 PM
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That isn’t the data I asked for. I asked for Show me the data on the percentage of guys who would randomly rape a women like that. The data you provided includes rape that is perpetuated by boyfriends, exes, fathers, etc. Which is always the vast majority of these kinds of things. This is about random meetings with men. Trying to include irreverent data like that is like using gang on gang violence to try and prove that black people are going around and randomly shooting people. Or using ISIS at…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:41 PM
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Yes. And it happened so little for the end result is always the same, decline and eventual death of the culture due to demoralization of men, celebrity worship, political corruption, dependence of immigrants and/or other cultures for survival, death of families and lack of kids. This isn’t all because of women’s sexual liberation ofc. If anything, women’s sexual revolution is the result of the underlying issues that cause said collapse (focus on hedonism).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:28 PM
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How is that any different then people being racist towards blacks and Muslims because it only takes one to mug/kill you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:07 PM
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What is the point of having technology if they were not free to work? What? People have always worked, free or not. Technology allowed people to be more and more self sufficient and made things like slavery detrimental to cultures. Heck women worked all throughout the 1800s on farms with there husbands (and children) The idea that people were just not allowed to work is stupid. Freedom comes first. Sexual and Economic Freedom are completely different things that happened "practically together" i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 02:06 PM
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Sadly, you are wasting your time as they will deny the truth of the matter no matter what (which is actually proof the men are sexually oppressed as oppressed people can never argue they are oppressed).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 01:56 PM
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Indeed it was as it was a guess and I even implied it as such (I would not be shocked if...), I was ASKING YOU for the data as you are the one that made the claim that the reason was because “guys may try to sexually harass or rape women.” And I am asking you for the actual data for I know it will show that you do not have a point. And no, I do not mean the bullshit 1/3 women were raped dishonest studies (where even being told you are cute is put in the same category as rape).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 01:50 PM
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Bullshit. Technology caused the quality of life to rise like it did, not sexual freedom. And economic freedom is the result of technology allowing for more people to be free in the first place as it allowed cultures to need less from people. Sexual liberations happened many times throughout history and many of those cultures had shitty quality of lives (ex Soviet Unions free love movement) and many cultures declined because of sexual liberation too. Unwin even correlated cultural decline with se…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 01:46 PM
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Yeah the reason is because guys may try to sexually harass you or rape women Bullshit. Show me the data on the percentage of guys who would randomly rape a women like that. Most rape situations are between people that know each other (boyfriend, ex, father) not random occurrences. It is just like assuming black men are going to mug people randomly because they are black, it is just pure bigotry. I would not be shocked if it is less then a 0.001% chance (or even lower) and it being in the single …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 01:41 PM
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Nope, that is just valid complaining. Then keep wasting your time complaining, nothing is going to change either way. You could argue the same for those complaining, but they are actually getting something out of it (venting). Then complaining about complaining about complaining is even worse. Exactly. You could argue that makes me worse then you, but it doesn’t make what you are doing any better. No entitlement is a good argument. If I work for an agreed rate of $1000 a week and at the end of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 01:08 PM
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Nope, consequences only happen when something enforces them many simps are saving women from consequences and taking it upon themselves. Those out of ignorance are just sad cases, those that know are shitty people.
/r/MGTOW14/04/21 11:09 AM
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Probably half way there.
/r/MGTOW14/04/21 11:08 AM
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Most sex workers can get men easily, they will just be much lower value then them (look at who former porn stars marry, either ugly men or other porn stars). Which is fine, life isn’t really a game and such things do not really matter (especially if you do not want kids). The issue is that women (and many men really, just look at the pathetic men who feel entitled to money and success) want to win but not play the game. They want the 10/10 partner, 10/10 job, etc. but to get such things you must…
/r/MGTOW14/04/21 11:08 AM
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Less that talk is cheap and more that words have no value. It is the implied actions behind said words that make words have value. It is why having a “big stick” is so important in negotiations and such.
/r/MGTOW14/04/21 11:04 AM
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Nope, that is just valid complaining. Calling it entitlement is a form of entitlement actually in of itself (according to how you use it). If someone feels ripped off, they will always complain about it like it or not. Just because you feel entitled to people accepting x, doesn’t mean jack squat. And complaining about complaining is worse then just complaining about it. Deal with it or get more salty, because it is NEVER going to stop as they are valid things to complain about. While your argume…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:00 AM
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Nah, neither is entitlement. Entitlement needs to die as an argument. It is misused almost every turn. Wanting something, being mad that you didn’t get what you wanted from a “trade,” being angry that you cannot get something, upset about a disappointing result etc are not entitlement. They are just natural and valid reactions. In your two cases, both groups feel taken advantage of (and they were), even if the other party did not intentionally do so. The way entitlement is currently used makes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 06:03 PM
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Men cannot be picky unless they are okay going without. The problems in dating can all be solved by one gender matching the other genders sex drive (more or less). The issue is that we cannot change our sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:52 PM
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Nah it is abundance for it goes beyond obesity. Most of the problems in today’s society exists just because we are not made to handle abundance of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:49 PM
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She made that one thread about short men a while back that was honestly just trolling and pure hatred against a large group of people. She also tries to get people banned by “incel content” baiting (she will switch the conversation to being about incels, then if you respond she will report and get you in trouble for posting incel content). She also never really listens and repeats the same threads over and over again. You can even see it here with how she is responding to some of the chains here…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:48 PM
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This is a very common insecurity among men when in reality, it doesn’t matter who you date. Say it louder please. How people see others success with Sex, no relationships has no value. Only losers care
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:33 PM
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Yeah, no. Unless by grounded you mean hating on men irrationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:27 PM
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Doesn’t change what it is.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/04/21 12:46 PM
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Yes, mocking obvious emotional wrecks to deal with ones own insecurity is a shitty thing to do. Doesn’t matter if they are losers or not
/r/PussyPassDenied13/04/21 12:03 PM
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That people do not care about men and there is no incentive to free men like there was for women. Freeing women was a good excuse for upper class men to use women for sex and objectify them. Which is why they did it. Many of the old men who were metoo did those awful things because they thought they could get away with it post women’s sexual liberation. Ofc that has since changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 08:23 PM
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Men are not in control of there sexuality much like women did not use to be. Sex isn’t for him, it is for her. Men are shamed and even hated for what they are attracted too. Men are raised being shamed for what they want sexually and it is even acceptable for parents to mutilate the man’s gentiles because the natural look is gross. Men are shamed for using sex toys and there are even protests to ban certain male sex toys. Men are not allowed to be accepted for how they look like women do. Men ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 08:18 PM
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So?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 07:34 PM
1

Who said any specific religion?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 07:25 PM
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And a lot of that is also caused because men are sexually starved before the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 06:47 PM
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his is why virginity until marriage is a messed up concept Nope. Virginity to marriage is about loyalty and commitment. Also, the same religion where that originated from says a lot more about women and men’s job in relationships. Women are suppose to sleep with her man whenever he wants (and vice versa). He is suppose to spend his whole life protecting and taking care of her, even if it means his death. The problem is that you cannot cherry pick religious rules and make them work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 06:46 PM
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If porn is cheating, then so is watching romance films.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 06:42 PM
7

Somewhat true Obviously impotent men exist. But a large chunk of sexual problems men face is just because they are not sexually liberated and are being pushed to sleep with women they do not find attractive. So they have erectile issues or are unsatisfied with sex. Unlike women, men are not liberated. We are suppose to cater to women for women are entitled to sexual pleasure and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 06:41 PM
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But if he cannot arouse her? Lol. Women here harp about how they cannot “negotiate attraction.” But suddenly when it comes to men they have to negotiate attraction, they are not entitled to there own sexuality, they owe women the sex they want. If a man would rather Jack off to porn then do what is needed to have sex with x woman. Then that x women needs to make it better for him then porn. And porn isn’t a high bar to beat. Touch alone makes porn not that great. But starfish sex and: /or needin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 06:39 PM
4

Oh you have no idea, if you knew what I was like when young and saw what I experienced, you would understand why I am bitter and what I am getting at. Real life is just bitter, cold and awful when put bluntly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 05:35 PM
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Hey, atleast it isn’t narcissism. While the damage they cause is awful, it truly is heart wrenching once you understand what causes it. They are nothing more then emotionally destroyed people locked away tightly and they rely on attention to fill the void that they suffered from. They cannot be cured or get help period. It has been theorized that locking a Narcissist up in isolation for two years might make it possible. But think about it, it takes two years of total isolation in order for any c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 05:25 PM
1

Fair enough. The issue is that large numbers of women that talk about how boring x man is are boring themselves and/or want men to monkey dance, to be the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 05:10 PM
1

Part of it is because prostitution is illegal or looked down upon (they feel ashamed). Part of it is cost (depending where). But it really is just because of lack of intimacy. Men want the relationship and the sex, with the relationship being more important. Sex work can do the same as virtual options, but it feels fake when you hand the money to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 05:04 PM
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Several things. Women lie up, men down. So perhaps women are lying about there relationship status to look like they are not struggling. Polygamy becoming the norm with women. Combined with point 1, it means that women are considering fuckzone status with one hot guy as being in a relationship. Women date older men over men there same age. So perhaps women are just aiming for men in the next bracket up. Probably 1 and 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 05:02 PM
6

Life is dark period. Did you know where white slave traders BOUGHT there slaves from? Black communities in Africa who enslaved there enemies. Am I assigning blame or saying whites were innocent? No, I am just saying that pretty much every culture that gets anywhere is awful in most ways. As we are obsessed with the concept of winning, so we must make others lose. Every once in a while people switch roles and a new group is oppressed and privileged, but the vileness of humans is that we want to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 04:49 PM
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Humans are designed to be scavengers in places where resources are scarce. So the moment things get comfortable we get uneasy, life is isn’t suppose to be easy (according to our instincts) and we are acting accordingly. So we create problems It is also why obesity is a big problem, we are not designed to deal with abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 04:40 PM
3

Bitter? Yes. Wrong? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 04:32 PM
1

The issue with bpd (like all other personality disorders) is that they mostly cannot help themselves that much. They can of course try and have some success, but depending on how severe it is, that can be quite limited. Despite what people wish was true, people have far less control over themselves then they think they do. And it is hard for many to see this unless they suffer a mental disorder themself for a time and experience first hand how little control we all really have.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 04:32 PM
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No, it isn’t that male thirst is the issue directly. It is mismatched sex drives. If men and women’s sex drives were equal, there would be almost zero issues in dating as both sides would be willing to compromise. The issue is that people cannot control there sex drives and modifying it via pills and such would be ripe for abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 02:19 PM
1

Idk ask all the women who keep chasing and having kids with bums
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 12:22 PM
5

It isn’t men’s job to be a dancing monkey for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 11:04 AM
3

Doesn’t matter. If anything, society will be pissed that women are not having enough kids and that nobody is working the physically rough jobs. Actually, your short gag at the end proves his point. Society is not going to tolerate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:55 PM
7

Well, everyone is always quick to say “attraction is non-negotiable” here except when it comes to this subject. Apparently when men cannot get a person they find attractive, they are just suppose to get with someone they do not find attractive and negotiate what they find attractive. If a 2/10 man cannot find a 1/10 attractively no a 3/10 attractive. He should just go mgtow. He can try to force himself with a 1/10 woman, but he will just end up being miserable and wishing he didn’t. When a 5/10 …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:52 PM
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Well, large numbers of men are hurting from the bullshit. So ofc they are going to be resentful, bitter, etc. Same thing happens with women who are severely hurt by men. Men’s life is literally ruined if they long for a happy relationship and/or sex life, especially if they made that the goal of there lives. It takes time to work through such pain. Some may never have enough time to recover.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:46 PM
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This. Lots of people on mgtow are mgtow by circumstance. They want relationships but the environment makes it so they cannot get what they want in some form.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:42 PM
1

I wish I saved that study found last week that proved what I was saying. The study noted that looks did mot impact martial satisfaction at all in ltrs for women (after four years). But for men, it greatly impacted it. Women lose sexual interest incredibly quickly in a ltr.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:31 PM
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Then why care that shallow women are in a shallow app? Stop using it. I haven’t used tinder in over 5 years. Also, I do not care. I barely even talk about it here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:28 PM
1

That isn’t about shame, that is about fear of being tortured. Shame isn’t the weapon in use here, the threat of torture is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:12 PM
2

For the insecure and weak really.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:09 PM
3

That is implying that those in jail are all independent. Most are part of other groups (gangs) that control them with shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:08 PM
1

Bullshit, Asian culture culinary habits just result in them being skinnier. They do not eat unhealthy food like cheese and ground beef there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:59 PM
1

Well, it really is just because they want the man married. They hope by shaming him that he will change his mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:57 PM
4

Bullshit. That is like saying men complaining about men seeing women like objects are actually just angry that she wasn’t the one picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:56 PM
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She apparently cares so little that she literally makes a thread here either day.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:54 PM
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What is there even to debate here? There is no way to possibly get good data to support either side. Op doesn’t even have any data to discuss. So there is no way to change ops mind unless his/her anecdotals change. It is just going to be two people going yes no yes no at best. Like one of those pretentious douchbags opening a “change my mind” stand over something that is pure opinion in hopes of getting a circle jerk going or finding one stupid argument argument to stroke ones own ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:53 PM
6

Just think of the lottery. Can you techno win? Yes, but it is better to think you won’t to save yourself 1000s of wasted dollars over the long term.
/r/MGTOW09/04/21 08:24 PM
1

This is why men need balls. Anybody who tries to Bull bs like this to attack me to try and get attention is met with insults and truths they cannot handle. So the only way people ever bullshit me is in private.
/r/MGTOW09/04/21 08:16 PM
1

Because looks do not matter all that much for ltrs and since women primarily want long term relationships over good sex, they do not focus on it as much. If a woman wants causal sex, she could and would act on it. For men it is different, most men use ltrs to get sex as they have no other way to get it consistently and sex is more important to men. So men are more likely to chase younger girls for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 08:12 PM
1

In a way it's the natural way of the world. Only a handful of really attractive guys even deserve to mate. And the rest of the male population is disposable and should probably just be genocided and culled so women can be more wealthy too No, it is the nature of the modern western mating game, not nature. Women are not some goddess that determines what genes are best, females of a species often pick poorly and drive the species to extinction. Nature never just disposes males like that. Females p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 08:07 PM
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You are falling into the same trap that people use to wrongly justify why x person is poor. X person isn’t poor because he is lazy, he is lazy because he never gets anything for his effort and so he is not incentivized to work hard. Why isn’t he incentivized? Because he doesn’t offer the value needed to get places and most of that value comes from genetics (ex: intelligence). A person can get better success by working on themselves, but that is far more limited then people like to admit. Even th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 03:37 PM
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Well, Blizzards support of China oppressing Hong Kong says enough about them. Destroying a random person over accusations when they are doing things far worse.
/r/MGTOW09/04/21 11:52 AM
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Because humans are far less special and unique then they think they are.
/r/MGTOW09/04/21 09:21 AM
1

It goes beyond that really. Tons of people just fall behind due to unfair reasons yet are perfectly normal. And tons of people who choose to be single are normal too. Heck, tons, o most of the people here are normal too at the very least. This whole, didn’t win or play perfectly right away therefore is a failure/loser is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 09:12 AM
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Well, would running into a burning building with a cup of water help? No, you might even get trapped and end up as more kindle, more fuel for the fire. Sometimes, the only thing that can be done is to let the fire burn out.
/r/MGTOW09/04/21 01:42 AM
12

Well, one of the ways people understand something well is because they are or do that something themselves. Which means she will use those same tactics on you if “needed.”
/r/MGTOW09/04/21 01:41 AM
7

Just world fallacy bullshit (probably just trying to feel superior to help with some insecurity you have). Life is not Disney and there is no such thing as happily ever after. Most single people in there 30s are perfectly normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 07:10 PM
2

And that is how he is going to learn.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 06:47 PM
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It is a good thing he is young and experienced this early. Sucks, but it is better he learns now then at 30.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 03:50 PM
2

Most empires (perhaps all, just do not know) has a bachelor movement towards the end. Heck, in Ancient Greece straight men preferred having sex with other men towards the end due to how awful women were becoming for relationship prospects.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 03:39 PM
1

It is a balance, you have to keep order, while keeping productivity high and keep ones own power.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 03:36 PM
1

Well, it is more that men find the girl as sexy as when they first got together.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:31 PM
1

I think it is that younger women are sexier along with what you said. But just because they are sexier doesn’t mean that men find them better relationship prospects alone. One thing that many here miss.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:29 PM
2

Then why does the red pill preach shit like the dread game? Because that is what women want. They want a man that is hard to tame. Beauty and the beast is an example of this. Why doesn’t it just consist of sexually appealing guys? Because women want more then sexy guys, sexy is the ticket for entry. I read the posts and it makes me uncomfortable Ofc it is, what women want is bullshit and it is part of why tons of men get pissed when they learn the truth. We have threads here where men have said …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 03:26 PM
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Do not rely on crypto fully, only invest what you are willing to lose. You could get rich quick or you could lose it all. The dude in the op followed this philosophy too. He knew the risks and could take the loss.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 02:52 PM
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Well, it was more then that. Basically, patriarchy was about empowering children, not men or the government. Women were made into trophies (over glorified carrots) that men worked there ass off for. This was to maximize extraction from men and maximize baby making from women. Feminists purposefully focuses on how women were oppressed under said systems and the advantage that men got (which were pretty minor) for selfish reasons. At first. It sounds like it was for the elite...but the elite are a…
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 12:13 PM
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Well, more direct taxes is what they truly mean. Or it gets so blatantly obvious that it is impossible to not see it as a bachelor tax. The Balls tax in Soviet Union technically wasn’t a bachelor tax in theory, but it was in practice and design. They just tried to frame it as something it was not.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 11:48 AM
5

Nah, people should do what makes them fulfilled and happy. If that is being a slob, more power to him. The problem is that people often do not truly understand what they want and/or lie to themselves. Playing video games because you enjoy it is different then using it as a way to avoid losing weight like you always wanted.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 01:37 AM
5

Because she is like other women.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 01:25 AM
4

Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 08:14 PM
14

Hence the Nordic model. Women who sell sex are fine, but men who buy are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 08:12 PM
7

People just need to accept COVID and move on. There is no way to stop it now. We just have to let it be like the flu. Sucks, but we will cause more issues trying to stop the inevitable then just letting it happen. Ofc may in charge are using this as a power grab. And atleast from what I have observed in my job, large chunks of people have stopped caring at work.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 05:10 PM
6

Well, currently we are preventing a lot of people who would normally lose there house/apartments from losing it. Which is resulting in a really stupid bubble that cannot last. The stock market is way over inflated and many businesses have one foot in the grave. We need to let failure happen to fertilize the yard so new and better stuff can grow. But we just keep preventing falls causing stagnation.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 05:06 PM
4

Well, what do they think will happen? That people will just suddenly magically get 5000+ dollars out of there ass to pay back all the missed rent over the past year? Delay it indefinitely? Print more money despite the absurd amount we already did over the past year. And a crash is definitely going to happen. Even if the government pulls trillions out of its ass to throw at the problem, the best they can do is spread out the crash so it hits less hard, but lasts far longer and hurts the potential…
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 05:03 PM
5

But why?
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 04:58 PM
2

But not with Chad.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 04:44 PM
3

Because they are not on tinder as they get zero success there.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 04:31 PM
8

Women use words like men use there hands. Want to be seen as a good moral person? A man will show this in his actions. He will become a good person. A woman will just say things that make her look good. Her actions will not change unless they have too.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/04/21 11:57 AM
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No, she ruined her child and possibly grandchild’s life for some good to Amy e okay sex with a hot guy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/04/21 11:56 AM
5

Even the ones who look like they learned jumped back in. But hey, it shows how good men are as partners really. Even if they are battered time and time again, they still have hope and optimism (even in pessimism). Sadly, hope and optimism isn’t enough to make a women start being good people.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 11:54 AM
5

Spoiled not crazy. They are treated like goddesses by society, so they treat others like subjects or side characters. If you try to different, try government willl swoop in to simp at the very least.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 11:50 AM
2

Besides what other people said, you need stronger mental discipline to make it easier and help control whatever is leading to you needing food as comfort. Learn meditation and practice it every day for atleast ten minutes. After two months you will start noticing changes and then you will notice big changes if you keep going. Working out and such will help too, but it will not provide as much mental discipline as learning to control your mind.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 11:09 AM
2

Greece and Rome (twice via Byzantine empire) In Greece, Relationships degraded until people preferred homosexual relationships. Promiscuity was so rampant that they drove a naturally occurring spermicide to extinction. Actually just read Unwins book and/or fate of empires for a quick overview, sexual liberation and culture decline are strongly correlated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:28 AM
2

And domestic violence is very close to a 50/50 thing really. Op should look up the MRA studies on domestic violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:22 AM
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That is the difference between trp and fds. Trp is about being what women want sexually to get sex. Fds is about maximizing extraction from men. Which is why trp is all about lifting and improving oneself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:18 AM
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I was thinking that op just doesn’t know women that well. Sex workers are honest women. If you think they are shit personality wise, I have some bad (or good depending on how you look at it) news.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 10:00 AM
4

The reality is it is rarely if ever the users fault. They just like to pawn responsibility off to save money.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 09:55 AM
7

I understand kids are important, providing the 2 parent household is important, but still I can’t wrap my mind around how people stay together when they both know they’re not happy. Idk maybe I’m just young. Sunken cost fallacy and the cost of divorce. Also, just because you are young doe not mean you are just ignorant.
/r/MGTOW07/04/21 09:53 AM
1

Nope, they will be hosed down when they are striking to change divorce laws and have the numbers to make that change.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 12:51 AM
10

He is in the depression phase, it too will pass like the anger phase. Ignore to anger to bargaining to depression to acceptance. Depending on how bad the man was hurt and how much he cared, he could spend a few months to years in this phase. You cannot really rush it either it is just something that takes time.
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 07:46 PM
0

Sounds like you've built quite a boogeyman in your head. You seriously think police are gonna be out and hosing mens rights protesters or whatever? Yes. If they are “threatening” enough that they might make a change, there will be retaliation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 07:10 PM
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IDK, I think we are starting to reach a boiling point. We already had two attacks aimed at the government. Unplanned, disorganized and pathetic attempts, but that is how it starts. The BLM riots also show that the left is beginning to boil over. Next election is when we will really start to see the unrest in both sides start to really boil over...if not earlier. Remember these things happen exponentially, not linearly. The problem is that lots of men are reaching the point that they have nothing…
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 05:54 PM
5

It is a downward spiral. Women get more picky due to increased options, men have less options, men get less self-respect, confidence and self-worth due to less success, men work harder and give more to try and get a women, this increases women’s options, so her standards increase...and it keeps going and has been for at least the last tenish years. Men are pathetic these days because of lack of success and women have become unbearable due to how spoiled they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 05:41 PM
3

I am not really a defeatist, life is just that bad for large chunks of men (atleast in America). The game is just designed to exploit and use men at the moment, the only way to win is not to play the game. If a man goes mgtow and fucks society, he can easily get a decent life. But a family and a good relationship are just not an option for most men period. Society is just a small party that a large chunk of men are paying for. The most up to date data shows atleast a 1/3rd (assuming that men are…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 05:23 PM
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Nah, you just caught on to how women use words. Women just say whatever they think will get them what they want. And they often want freedom from responsibility. So a man they do not want to exist is there, no matter what he does he is wrong and evil. If she wants something from the man, everything he does is good. No duality, you just have to stop listening to her and read her actions
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 02:27 PM
21

That is how transactions work. Employers talk about how they cannot afford to give raises and/or workers do not deserve that much until people stop applying and suddenly they can afford more then they possibly could just fine with no negative but to there earnings at all. If people are desperate for applying, they lower the payouts and benefits. Same thing here, it is also why simping is counter productive, those men do not understand that women do not see love like men do. They see the man as a…
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 02:21 PM
42

Funnily enough, the largest reason men are drawn to waifus is there personalities. They have built and largely perfected a few personality types that represent what men want in a women then make them super pretty and innocent.
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 02:17 PM
1

If you stay home and play Fortnite all day long, beautiful women will not get out of their way to contact you and try to date you. It's on you to make it happen. And yet that is the type of man that most of the women posted on here date. Bums, deadbeats, druggies, etc many of whom do not even lift they were just gifted with good genetics. While the men who do work hard spend a decade or so to be worthy of paying for other people to party. At best they end up like Will Smith, Robin Williams Do yo…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 02:01 PM
1

No, it is because men are not treated like human beings and are thus ignored. If a group of men try to unite to help men with serious issues, feminists will literally be outside screaming about how vile and hateful they are while blocking entry and even pulling fire alarms on them. And people will take the feminists side as they see men as nothing more then tools. Men get shit by striking and fighting said system, they never get anything by protesting even in large numbers. And such things are v…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 01:56 PM
0

Nope, life isn’t fair like that. Tons of people can min max lifting and still have smaller muscles then someone who never works out. Same with dieting. There are twigs that lift 200 pounds and weak ass dudes who cannot lift 40 pounds who are body builder buff. But when you compare a women with her equal man, you will find they look the same. We have fat, curvy women who are seen as sexy by atleast some men. Her looksmatch is ugly to all even though they are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 11:05 AM
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These women are just satisfied after a major war. Women love war because it gets rid of the “undesirable” men but hate the damage it causes to there comfort. It is why women are the first to call for war and the first to want it to end. If the culture dies, women can just get with the chads of the winning side. I mean, what did women do when Germans occupied France and there brothers, fathers and even sons were fighting and dying underground. They fucked the same men who killed there fathers, br…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 10:09 AM
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It is because men are falling for tradcuck traps. Men are raised to believe that working hard and being honorable is the way to go, all it results is in him making other people happy and rich.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 10:04 AM
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Corrections But if men work hard and accomplish themselves, they MIGHT get SOME of what they want. The focus is on what others get from him as they feel entitled to men working there ass off to please others for ever diminishing rewards. Until men learn to say no and realize that they do in fact deserve things for x, men will get treated worse and get less for effort. Which is the point. And But if you sit on your ass and wait, you will often get close to the same rewards as if you worked your a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 10:01 AM
2

The only way for this to change is to stop spoiling women and start catering to men. Otherwise women will just get more and more shitty and men more and more pathetic.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 09:50 AM
2

Worse, they would probably make the bottom 80% or so into worker drones via genetic modification. The top 19ish percent will just live as how they were born and a few people on top will modify themselves to be genetic gods amoung men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 09:46 AM
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They are already on par with each other, you just have to look at it from a third party perspective (not asexual either, like looking at is like a completely different species). The difference is perception, women are just way more picky so men have to do a lot more to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 09:45 AM
7

The issue (for them) is that shame and propaganda have diminishing returns. Eventually, nobody will listen even if they are right in blaming men.
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 09:40 PM
43

Alpha is such a bullshit term really. Not because alpha men do not exist, but because what women find as the best are not alphas. They find aggressive, self centered, pussy worshiping manipulatiors the best. A dude that talks shit is better then a dude that is shit to women.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/04/21 09:39 PM
3

Tradcucks are annoying. They will be the first to backstab mgtow too. Conservativism is women worship after all.
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 09:30 PM
-1

The real question is why people are fighting for fat women to be an exception to be insulted for there looks. Especially when fat men are treated far worse. It is like fighting to protect one bully victim because you like him/her while fully abandoning or helping the same bullies bully someone else to a worse degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 08:16 PM
1

Nah, it is just that women do not care as much. Heck, it means he is higher value in many ways.
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 08:13 PM
2

No, men are just raised to accept and forced to accept it. Either they reach out and risk for what they want or get nothing period. While large chunks of women are spoiled to the point that they have never really been told no to anything directly or indirectly. They just sit there, receive and judge others based on criteria that they rarely meet themselves (including looks). Which is why they go through all those excuses and justifications when they are rejected or upset some man doesn’t ask the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 08:09 PM
3

Doesn’t matter at all though. When talking about men who have standards regarding n-counts, they have standards regarding those n-counts. I am not missing anything nor did I ever speak for all men. I even said this directly by saying things like “tons of” not all on purpose. You are just putting words in my mouth. If anyone is speaking for all of a specific group it is you for saying: Red pill men have this habit actually no, borderline obsession of believing that they speak for and represent al…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 08:05 PM
1

Nobody does, but adults need to accept it and deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 07:59 PM
1

No, but I will defend myself and whatever I want from bullshit and out right lies if I choose too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 07:55 PM
1

This. The largest thing getting in the way of people’s happiness is lust these days. It is easy to be happy without lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:11 PM
4

It’s not a shame attack - I just genuinely don’t see this issue reflected in peoples’ real lives off the internet. tbf, issued like these will rarely if ever be brought out in the open. Most men would just keep the standard a secret and relationships where it is a problem will keep it a problem. In public, everyone puts on there best face.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:06 PM
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Nah, both genders do it to both genders. Humans are just awful people to each other by design. We are mostly only selfless to those who are not a threat to our success (ex: people in Africa), when we already have our success and/or other species. It is how peta can rip a dog out of a homeless man’s arms yet nobody will help said homeless man (besides creating dependency and such).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:02 PM
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I’d just argue they’re just not the most balanced or socially adept. That is just a empty shame attack. If it was just those types of men, threads like this one would not even exist. Those who haven’t been able to access it tend to try gatekeep and judge. Or they just have morals and standards. Just because someone hasn’t indulged in hedonism and using others to enjoy the original drug doesn’t mean they couldn’t do so. Some might have regretted not doing so, but for many it is just a matter of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:56 PM
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Well, it was always about more then women. Women are just the easiest symptom to see. The real problem is that atleast a large chunk of men are seen as subhuman.
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 12:51 PM
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Ah yes. I remember the gaslighting and bullshit when I was young, naive and ignorant. They will say “just be yourself” followed by “you are just too nice” (implying to not be oneself). They then say you were never nice like mr now in jail for rape over there right after they say I am “too nice” too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:09 PM
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This is all it is. You can expand upon it somewhat ( ex: women making excuses to avoid responsibility for there actions regarding self care). But it really is just what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:06 PM
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It exists because people on PPD, TRP subs etc are obsessed with the idea Yeah, no. Most of the threads on n-counts here are made by people opposing trp views on the subject at best. And they are incredibly common subjects that involve relationship problems in the relationship subreddits here. It is blue pillars that are firing the first shot here. In real life it isn’t an issue. If someone cares about n-count, they’re free to find someone with a lower n-count. Then why does FDS recommend that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:03 PM
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Nope, it is always about some woman arguing with men about them having low n-counts as a standard. To say otherwise is logically dishonest and is easy to see by anybody who has been here for a while. We even had periods where the majority of threads was on the subject (last Novemberish) and had a pinned discussion on it because this subject was such a popular argument by blue pillars.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 11:56 AM
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The thing is that they do care, which is why it is one of the most popular debates here. And it isn’t just here either. Tons of women (and men, although women do not care about it as much even though they should) all around care. Which is why women frequently withhold information about there sexual past events though it will eventually come up later on and causes more severe problems then. Basically a bunch of people (mostly women) feel entitled to getting the type of man/women who has a low cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 11:08 AM
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Sugar babying and Instagram models says hi. And it only takes 1 girl per 10 men for it to work. And the ludicrous payouts will incentivize tons of women to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 10:23 AM
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Now you're using that logic again...Stop doing that... lol, you would be amazed that people have legitimately used that as a mind game to try and shut down my point before.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 10:21 AM
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But the fatty who’s wanking himself half to deaths at home to porn isn’t a man that any woman is “missing out on”. They’d rather shrug their shoulders and be single. But here is the thing, he can and would stop being fat and become a good man if he was properly incentivized to do so. That is what the war on porn is really about, a misguided attempt to try and incentivize men to “man up” by making sex harder to get. It just is a poor one as it only works if men get the girl they want a la old sch…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 10:18 AM
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They do not want to understand this as they do not want to fix it. It is like that one bad employer who doesn’t want to fix the dam for it costs money, he tries to get around it via lowering the water levels and stuff to decrease the strain on the damn. When the employees see the problem and point it out they are fired or silenced. Then when the dam breaks, the employer is “shocked” and had “no idea about the problem at all.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 09:56 AM
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Nah, look up what ex sister wives think of the situation. People almost always make things look way better then they really are for status reasons. It just leads to misery as they will never get the relationship they want, they are just settling for being a useful sex toy until they get discarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 09:54 AM
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So, with respect I don’t think that women give two hoots about men they collectively don’t want to fuck jacking it home alone. Are you serious? Even here blue pillars talk about these men all the time, even about porn. Heck, you are here to literally talk about said “losers” too. I always love how everyone talks about how they give zero fucks about x man, when there actions say a different story. Especially since many of these men are the potential good men that women cannot find, which is why a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 09:49 AM
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Based on the third paragraph, he is being emotionally abused by the people who supposedly care about him. I am assuming he is surrounded by narcissistic women and women-worshipping men who just want to sleep with said narcissistic women. What he needs to do is dump every last one of these people and look for some new bros. If he cannot find any, it would be better if he was alone (sucks still, but better being alone by yourself then with others). People always look at the end result of a good ma…
/r/MGTOW29/03/21 09:44 AM
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Nope, they do it for it protects there own status level. Marrying down lowers a man’s status and is not socially acceptable. Even women here get pissed when men do shit like that. And it is terrible when women do it for it hurts everyone involved. At best, all causal sex will do is give her some fun. At worst it will make her a single mom and damn her children and even grandchildren as they have to recover from her mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:44 PM
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Men have low standards for sex, but high for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:39 PM
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Exactly, there is no permanence to things anymore. It is all about what the individual gets. It is that same mentality that makes people toxic in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:38 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:37 PM
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That's absurd. Women want you to figure it out if they are attracted to you, and they don't care what you do if they are not. They want a man who understands how to seduce them because it's an awesome experience. No, they want top 20% men to figure it out. The rest are suppose to be blind in order to pay and maintain the “party.” Which is why rich men who spew our red pills are not hated as trp is even if it is more misogynistic and hateful (see rap as an example). No. Humans rely on sex instinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:36 PM
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Suuuure. That sounds like a revenge fantasy in of itself. Marriage rates are getting lower and lower at an exponential rate. And 1/4 women are on medications for a type of mental illness, most are in there 40s. Will some women get married? Sure, tons of suckers left. But most of those marriages will not last and it will be with someone worse then they could have gotten.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:26 PM
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Yep, we are responsible for our actions upon others. Also, women here like to obsess over how men hurt and kill “them”, yet they never provide any data for they know that the percentage is insignificant unless they bloat the numbers artificially by including bullshit criteria to inflate the numbers. More then likely Men are more likely to be hurt by other men then women being hurt by men. In matter of fact I would not be shocked if 99% of male on female violence is only between people that know …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:21 PM
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Nah, way to complex of a explanation and just not true at all. It is just revenge. They are watching women who kept talking shit lose there privileges and they are now equal or above the women. It is the equivalent of watching that spoiled rotten trust fund bully who kept talking shit to you end up below you. Even if he keeps talking shit, you are superior and are now having fun shit talking him instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:22 AM
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Marriage was an institution to raise kids. Kids without fathers weren’t well seen in the past. More then that, it was about creating a family (including between the wife and husband). Your spouse was your spouse no matter what and the relationship was more similar to that between you and your parents and/or siblings. Do people pick there parents or siblings? Nope. Yet they love them no matter what the weird quirks are. You just do not reject your mother (not enough hugs for me) you love and acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:16 AM
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Yeah, that's the modern dating scene. You get used to it That is the result of people “loving themselves” and putting themselves first. As a result it is about finding who is best for you over what is best for each other. Which often means fucking I’ve the other side in various ways. Add women’s hypergamy explosion post online dating ontop of this and you get everyone not being able to get the person they, but they can get the person that likes them. Resulting in everyone using each other and tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:11 AM
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This does work and will probably be the norm soon. Beta guys who missed out due to not being sexy enough to have success when younger will rely on this to get the experiences they missed out on. While women who still want the traditional dating model will go for these men as younger men are either unwilling or unable to give these women what they want. Other women will go for alphas (whatever will be the alpha at that point) or choose to stay single. Young alphas will just try to maximize gains …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:02 AM
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Because women are sexually freed, men are not. So women are just super spoiled and are just blunt about the shallow things that they love now. They believe themselves to be above others and worthy enough to judge large groups of people over these things too. If men were to be equally liberated, they would go on about how much of a loser small bones girls are, abandon them in isolation and bully them to be mental wrecks in a same way. It is just super spoiled children talking shit
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:58 AM
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When someone insults or shamed you, it means you have already won. She has no argument and so she has to rely on denial, insults and such to win. So take it as a badge of honor and either take the win or just go on to drive that point home. Because at that point the only ones listening are third parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:54 AM
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That is just falling for the obsession over being special. Everyone is for a philosophy “like this.” Some will say they are different and “not like that” but then they are just part of a group that is all about being “not like that.” It is like how hipsters take pride in being different, when in the end they are a large group of people about being the as each other like all other group. Just this time it is about being unified about being “different and unique.” Or the “I am not like other girls…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:51 AM
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Aka the red pill is mostly right at this point. The only argument is how right it is in x part.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:44 AM
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Ironically, those who talk about the red pill like that are also falling for the same echo chamber that they accuse red pillers of. You can say x part of the red pill is wrong, but they are ignoring the parts that are just dead on to hyper focus on the few more ify arguments. Even here it is about what parts are wrong about the red pill, not if it is completely wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:43 AM
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And because they are right to be angry. As revealing the truth makes people realize they have been lied too, purposefully led astray, used/abused and/or betrayed there whole life prior. The issue with the anger is that it just isn’t healthy to cling to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:39 AM
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It is because we are not suppose to figure it out. The human race relies on people being completely stupid when it comes to the mating game for it is vile and something a creature would never do if they fully understood the costs and rewards. Pointing out how it works like this will make them sound messed up for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 10:29 AM
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The reason that we have a shortage of HVM is because of what you say honestly. It assumes that beta men are willing to work as hard as before as they get rejected, abandoned and watch some guy who has no value get the girl he loved for years by pulling her hair, spanking her ass and taking her home. Even if the man in question kept working as hard as he could. He is going to be demoralized, lonely, insecure, lose confidence and drive until he runs out of steam or becomes mentally ill. Or to put …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 08:06 PM
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Which is why men need to go mgtow and quit. If even ltrs are just constant fights to keep a women loyal because she just wants to cheat that bad, why bother? Not even the greatest of men are keeping women away from cheating. Being super macho Alpha? Being the perfect man for her? Nope, doesn’t matter. The only two ways for a relationship to work is if the girl believes she doesn’t have any other good option or for moral/religious reasons. Also dread doesn’t work in the long term as it has dimini…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 07:59 PM
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“Having large portions of the population homeless is a good thing because they learn humbleness and to let go of there ego.” Also, all it means is that men should be happy that they get left out until they have to pay for the bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 07:47 PM
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It is because of upbringing. Just like how a woman raised by religion who teaches her that sex is dirty is ashamed of her sexuality, a man who is raised being taught that men are suppose to be the one who pays will feel ashamed when he doesn’t pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 09:38 AM
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Not really, those things just allow you to express and experience things you were unable to before. It looks like it would change you, but it is just that more of you has been revealed. First relationship as it is the first time you can figure out anything about relationships period. So the person is just discovering more of themselves. The same is true for college, but it is also the first time you can be free to truly act with your personality. The only time we truly change is under extreme st…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 09:35 AM
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I think it is more that it will not grant you some miracle unless something external made you “ugly“ (ex: obesity, emotional wreck from some trauma, insecure over somethings etc). The issue is people act like improvement can change far more then it really can.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 09:30 AM
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Exactly the same actually. Whenever you feel used for your body (objectified), that is what men feel when they have they feel used for there utility. Both genders want to be loved for who they are, the issue is that too many people do not think about how they are loving others. So people use the other gender while getting pissed that they are being usedz
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 09:27 AM
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Bullshit. India obviously has it beat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 06:48 PM
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I am starting to get the feeling that you moved the goal posts yet again. I am done, there is no point in talking with you if all you do is move the goal posts. Feel free to trash talk or whatever if needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:55 PM
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And those men wouldn’t exist if women were not willing to trade pics of there asshole for money lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:21 PM
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So more goal post moving? And nobody said men are not perverted lol, I said women are MORE perverted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:16 PM
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I wish people would look at the why though. Why is society on the decline, because our incentives are out of wack.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:16 PM
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Once a week? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:15 PM
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And neither do any of the women here, does that mean they are not happy outside of Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:14 PM
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Because sex is being used as training treats to take the “beast” to be a good tool. Normally, men do not realize this, but due to modern technology men are catching on that they get more for giving less. It is the whole “nice guys are not entitled to x for being nice” biting them in the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:13 PM
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Sadly, it might not happen. (She might change her mind with me saying that though).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:11 PM
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Blue pillars fear that men will stop putting in the work necessary to get a decent woman because of porn. You cannot increase the cost of a hamburger indefinitely if they can just go get a decent sandwich somewhere else. So ban the sandwich then they have to depend on them for food so they can Jack up the prices all they want. I mean, it isn’t that the hamburgers are too expensive for what you get, it is that the sandwich is for losers and ruining good customers chance of getting a burger. Not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:10 PM
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If men are starting to prefer porn to sex, then that means women are absolutely shitty at sex these days. Not because porn is better or something, but because average sex is even better then porn. So if they prefer porn to sex, then they are only getting bad sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 05:03 PM
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There is nothing disingenuous about preferring to prevent people from being born now, rather than subtracting them later Uhh, the point is that inaction will have the same result as taking action against overpopulation as it is a nonissue. Nothing about humanity’s population growth follows a bell curve. Do you think Malthus would have predicted NYC, Singapore or Hong Kong? No, but I doubt he would have expected the earth to be able to sustain even a quarter of what it really could either lol. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 04:46 PM
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Lol. Nice goal post moving. Men are buying, they are not the ones getting naked and selling there bodies. There is a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 04:39 PM
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Doesn’t matter. It is still spiking in popularity even if bots are everywhere. It isn’t just onlyfans either. Women are rushing to be sugar babies, instagrams and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 03:45 PM
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Well, one side has to compete to drive natural selection and the best way to win is to be increasingly competitive. However, outside variables make it so species have a limit on how competitive they can get. It is why things like the mouse utopia experiment happens. In a closed environment where only competing with other mice impacts who wins the mating game. The competition increases indefinitely until males are unable to win as the bar is so high that it is impossible for any mouse to achieve.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 03:40 PM
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That is a very dishonest argument. Most of the people who are having kids are the ones that shouldn’t be having kids and over versa. We do not have a overpopulation problem in western countries, we have one in poor countries and that is only because they need tons of people around to live. And overpopulation isn’t a issue for it is a self correcting problem. We breed in a bell curve fashion as a safety mechanism. After a certain population threshold, the amount of kids the culture has decreased …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 03:33 PM
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Nah. If men were less thirsty, men would stop involving themselves with women due to the costs required. This could potentially be a species ending event, at the very least humans would evolve to be a completely different species period...and not in the way women want or think will happen. We would become that one endangered bird species where nobody is breeding and we would have to force people to have kids to keep the human race going. If women were more thirsty, relationships and casual sex w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 03:25 PM
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Because we are not bad people. She is just behaving like a bad used car salesmen wondering why these horrible customers are not buying her amazing lemons
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:41 PM
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This is a good point. People keep harping on men being perverts in some form, yet it is women who are doing the most perverted things as of now. Millions of women have rushed to only fans to sell there body. Women are out there having 30+ sexual partners and willing to sleep with criminals if they are hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:39 PM
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Being okay means worshipping, remember?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:38 PM
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Yep, we are just so damn picky lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:36 PM
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Women are hypocrites when it comes to this. Men have to improve and lower there standards while women just indulge more and more selfishly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:35 PM
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Well, you are suppose to shave all of them. Then you are now unattractive because you shaved them all, you had to let the hair grow out a bit lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 02:34 PM
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Hey man, hope life is being amazing for you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 11:08 AM
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And even before that most men had no standards really lol. The real question is why do blue pillars keep flipping this argument so frequently. First, the problem is that men have no standards, then it is that they have too high of standards, the. It is that they have no standards. And heaven forbid asking a 3/10 woman to lower her standards from a 8/10 to 6/10 here, suddenly attraction is no longer negotiable and women just can’t help it. But when it comes to men, it is suddenly negotiable now. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 01:47 AM
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They disdain that they have to use money, not that they can use money.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 07:44 PM
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You need to read what I said again. I was explaining how they were attacking one of the most popular ways that Lilith argues dishonestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:08 PM
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Lol thought the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:05 PM
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They keep doing that for you are always one of the first people to tell men that they are not entitled to sex as a argument to these kind of arguements.. Yet here you are being “entitled” (not really they are doing it as a low blow at all the times you do it in other threads) to companionship. So they are going for the ironic argument against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 01:18 PM
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People kept telling me to lower my standards as I was too picky and I believed them as I thought I must be the problem as I was the common denominator. This was waaaay before I was red pilled. Funny part was that I wasn’t ugly at all looking back, I was a twig that lifted about 50 pounds (I lift 200 now). I just didn’t have confidence due to lack of experience and a shitty father. People took advantage of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 01:14 PM
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Actually looks like everyone here has zero options for what they want. Most women saying they cannot get a man they want for a ltr (options they do not want though) and only want ltrs, men saying they cannot get any options at all and a few saying they are married and/or have a easy time. Cough hypergamy is making everyone miserable cough
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 11:59 AM
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Oh cmon. Some incels probably, but the reality is that dating sucks for men as men as not designed to be sexy. Since women no longer need men for money, tons of men are goi Before the red pill, I had a 400 pound women reject me because I was too short. I am 6 foot and she was 4’11”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 11:54 AM
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Then you only have two real options. Lower your standards or just be fine with being single. Hey, I am mgtow so I do not care which one you pick and I do understand both suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 11:50 AM
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Men don't need women for sex, they just want them because they're gay about masturbating. You do realize the body releases different chemicals depending on if you masturbate or have sex right? Here is one as an example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16095799/ And if you combine all the studies we have so far, you realize that masturbation increases desire for sex instead of satiating it like sex does on purpose to motivate you to work harder for sex. And abstaining is worse as it makes you hyp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 11:09 AM
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The same is true for men really. People do not understand how replaceable most people are. The only reason many employers have not replaced huge chunks of workers is that it is just not cost effective yet and because it would push people away for moral reasons. McDonalds literally can have 90% of its staff replaced by machines already. Just have one or two managers maintain the burger flipping machines and such. And the machines would be better as they would make the perfect burger most of the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 08:42 AM
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I see people as objects and feel equal towards people and objects. People are just complex objects that are outside my control. The best I can do is try to guide/influence their actions. This is a good point that nobody likes thinking about and really cannot be argued against. We are nothing more then complex biological self learning computers that improve via randomly guessing what works over billions to even trillions of years (who says life started on earth? Animals exist that can live in spa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 08:37 AM
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This is worthless drivel. My problem with the whole "technology" thing, is if you're trying to find an "artificial" for an actual, you really haven't improved or actualized yourself from the "problem.” Bullshit. There are limits to self improvement and actualizing oneself for things. In matter of fact, You cannot “improve” yourself a new leg. You cannot “improve” yourself to be fertile. You can only get so strong. You can only get so healthy. You can only work so much. Was the only reason that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 08:26 AM
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And by hard work, it means hard work. Like “3 years of working out to start getting results at all” work for many men. And by results, I mean just hitting the entry level for women. Like getting a girl that you find very unattractive attention. Ofc, for many men it takes less for they are already further ahead, but it still takes a whole lot of work. The whole just “shave and shower bro” advice just doesn’t work. Men who do not “shave and shower” do not because it doesn’t matter. Or do you think…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 08:25 PM
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True, but you'd think the johns would get the most attractive prostitutes, but it's the opposite. Contrary to what people say about men having unrealistic standards, men actually find young, average women as the most attractive. Here is a quick summary for you if you are interested: https://www.bustle.com/articles/96950-men-are-more-attracted-to-average-and-youthful-faces-in-women-according-to-science-because-apparently There are better studies for this (I read them a looong time ago), I am just…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 07:09 PM
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Humanity is all about exploiting others for various gains. People who do not exploit others get trashed until they break and they can no longer break anymore and/or become as bad as everyone else. Then these people get annoyed that other people are shit, which is nothing more then entitlement hidden by clever word games. It is the whole reason “Where did all the good men go?” women even exist in the first place.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/03/21 03:09 PM
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It is because sex with an escort is different then relationships. There is no worry about the long term, praternity, loyalty, etc. And men like sophisticated women nor period, it is just that other traits take precedence first. All that matters is if the sex is good and she is a good companion for a time. Which a more experienced and older (wiser and more experienced) women will be a perfect fit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:30 PM
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Well, one of the best ways to get a good women or be seen as valuable is to have one or two sexy women with you. Even if your value is the same and you act exactly the same as you are without her, people will just see you as higher value...especially if she compliments you. I think it is silly to pay for a companion to do that (just have sex with her at that point), but it works. And since this is about status and not women, I can see it being used as increasing ones status.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:26 PM
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No it is because only 15ish percent of the male population meets said standards. It is like men saying women need to have H cup level breasts to meet the bare minimum standards of women or have to be anotexic level skinny to be not considered fat. It is just absurd. Having a height preference isn’t the problem, it is that it is such an insanely high one that it is one. Which is why men say it is unrealistic...because it is. When a man does something like this women and society are quick to tell …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:20 PM
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Got me there
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:15 PM
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You decide based on personal preference. Some will not care, others will say no n-counts over 5, some will only want virgins. And all are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 11:06 AM
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And evolution created humans. We have far less control over ourselves then we like to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 11:04 AM
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Is she bringing the pay for sex to the table too? No, so therefore men do not have to bring low n count to the table to want a low n count women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 11:03 AM
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Meh, incel is the new retarded. Everyone is called a incel if they disagree with the wrong people
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/03/21 10:11 AM
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It is because good/real men that will giver her a good life are boring. The Excitement and tingles require uncertainty, insecurity, drama, etc. When do you feel butterflies in your stomach? When you go on rollerrcoasters, skydiving, do something risky, etc. You do not get butterflies when you are meditating, content, at peace, just plain happy and satisfied. Women are just picking bad traits for the long term and trying to mitigate the consequences by pushing the responsibility upon men. Which j…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/03/21 10:09 AM
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There is no conspiracy like you think here. While the “elite” do maximize gains and minimize costs in very vile and manipulative ways. They do not do any long term planning on the grand scale as they do not care about the long haul as they either will be long gone or dead. They do not even think a few years ahead like this. As times change, they just adapt there strategies as best as they can to continue maximizing gains while minimizing costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 01:23 AM
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Well, if a family was a priority she would do what catholic communities with big families do. Focus on a man who provides and is a good father over looks, excitement and fun. They are usually less attractive, make less money, etc, but they are the “good” men that work for long term relationships. There is a strong hint that she likes the excitement of bad boys, is super shallow or at the very least looked in all the wrong places. The fact she even stayed with the bipolar man for so long days tha…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/03/21 01:17 AM
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One thing to note is that she is obviously leaving out details and probably either over exaggerating or just flat out lying about things. If she keeps ending up with awful men, either she is attracted to awful men or she focused on shallow traits over valuable ones and suffered as a result. But more then likely she is just over exaggerating. A guy who gets angry a few times has “anger issues, etc.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/03/21 01:05 AM
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The real question is why men keep believing them. I can I’m understand pre internet. But there is just too much evidence out there to show that women are very dishonest about these things. Often you can only get trickle truths from women or shame attacks when you call out the bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 10:38 PM
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Answer to 99% of the threads here regarding why women do x lol. Ofc, women will keep denying it while sweet talking about how different it is. Then go back to the af/bb strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 10:36 PM
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Ignore what women say, watch what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 10:31 PM
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Because people are stupid. Instead of leaving right away, they cling to the past and hope that it will change to the way it was before. Wasting years of there life. And often they only stay together because of marriage, it is to expensive to leave so they are stuck relying on mistresses or becoming a mental wreck (which is most easily seen with weight gain).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 10:30 PM
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That is like saying the “foundation of a ltr is not money,” therefore it is okay for the man to be a bum for the rest of his life as the woman does everything. Men are dumped, denied and even destroyed all the time when they cannot provide what women want. Often when it is completely out of his control at that time. If he wants to, he should dump her. End of story. Marriage is bullshit and just an excuse for women to get what they want from men. Without marriage, men can do what women do and pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 10:28 PM
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Because women are just using sex to get commitment and or babies in those cases. Even if sex last a year or two in the marriage before it dies, it is the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 10:24 PM
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No, men interested in grooming women to be what they want and capitalistic hegemony dislike it. If anything, they want women to go back to be prude tradition housewife trophies again. It results in men working more for less and having more babies for more labor. It is young women who want to be Prostitutes, sugar babies and/or Instagram models for the pay outs of it. Men and the capitalist hegemony have literally have zero control over what women do and/or want now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 09:10 PM
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No, but that isn’t an excuse for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 05:55 PM
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No it isn’t, it is only partially “natural.” Women are not some goddess that dictates who has the best genes that should be passed down or not. Women are suppose to make a guess and then it is men’s job to fight to determine who should really breed. In a nature setting the way nature intended for the mating game to play out, unpicked men are suppose to rape, fight and kill if they cannot get the mate they want until either women and the chosen men picked submit or die...or the unchosen men fail …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 04:58 PM
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The issue is not that, it is the fact you made it a gendered issue when it is not one at all. Women who are victims are already getting most of the focus in terms of help. Just look at domestic shelters for women vs men. Despite it being very close to 50-50, America still has less then ten domestic shelters for men while over 400 for women. Making the focus on women here is bad and will just result in arguments at the inequality of the situation over actually increasing the amount of help those …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 04:07 PM
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Good solution to that problem is to have a class dedicated to teaching boys (and girls) the basics of how to get a relationship. As things change, so do the classes to keep up. This will fix a lot of the issues with modern dating alone. Men will not fall in a downward spiral if they struggle getting experience young, people will have more knowledge and be better prepared against manipulation and exploitation, far less likely that people will end up failing at the mating game do to misinformation…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 04:01 PM
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She might be able to get lucky with demoralized men her own age even, but even then women think they are way better then they are so they even miss out on the few decent to goos options they have left.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/03/21 01:05 PM
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If you ask women what they think they would be if they are a man, most if not all would say they would be the Chad. Women are just so spoiled they have no idea what they are really worth. All the attention they get when young is the result of men from all groups pinning for any decent girl due to how starved men are for options. This makes 6/10s think they are the shit when they are just in a very good market for them when in there prime due to the poor decisions of other women.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/03/21 01:03 PM
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By the way she is talking about it, she is implying she broke up with him. Else she would be talking smack about him.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/03/21 12:59 PM
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Not only that, men are valued more for there utility. So other traits can make up for having physical flaws. Although it also means that most men are just unlovable unless they provide some utility. While women are mostly wanted for her fertility, so looks is the majority of what makes a women attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 09:58 AM
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Who said it was all about men? Women are suppose to put that man first and men the woman. That was how it was originally anyway. Now it is putting oneself first.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 10:18 PM
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Love was (still is) about loving the other person as much or more then oneself. Which is what the marriage vows represent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 09:19 PM
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Reminds me of the people who say “go your own way already lol” They go out of there way to find said group they do not like, which often takes a while. Spend ATLEAST an hour coming up with a bullshit argument to trash on them. And then use a form of “I do not care lol” as a defense so they do not have to argue...even though it is pretty obvious that they care a lot. Sometimes they are just telling themselves that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 06:18 PM
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Sounds like he was a player and was using old school pua techniques to make you desperate (ex: negging). If you meet a good man (in your opinion), try being a “pick me” with boundaries for him as an experiment. I bet you would get much better success then if you didn’t do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 06:06 PM
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So actually loving there partner (by the original definition).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 06:04 PM
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No, doesn’t work like that. Pickmes probably do not have good outcomes for they are probably not that attractive looks wise (or some other big con). Otherwise they would have zero reason to simp. Same thing with male simps, give him tons of options and watch him stop simping. Same thing here. Simping (any form) is just an attempt to provide something to compensate other flaws to hopefully get some success. In controlled ways this is actually a good thing and will increase there chances of succes…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 06:00 PM
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The thing is that love is for sale and it is literally is a unspoken trade of fertility for something of value most of the time., a lot of the hatred for trading money for sex (and vice versa) is because of the sunken cost fallacy. If some dude/girl gets add/love easily by maximizing the trade in a direct fashion, it makes the other people look stupid. It is like a competition to reach the top of a mountain. All these people climb the rough terrain of the mountain and you just easily climb the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 01:43 PM
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It is just really sad if you think about it A bunch of hateful people trying to hide there hatred by aiming not at a group who they believe is privilege to avoid feeling guilty about hating innocent people. They hope that virtue signaling makes them better then the Nazis they hate so much, but Nazis virtue signaled in the same way. Just look at the kind of person Hitler was if you removed all the atrocities he did. He literally looked like a good person because of all the charitable things he di…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 01:36 PM
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The thing with Awalt is that it also means that women are pretty much the same as one another value wise. Even the things we find sexy are technically outdated as it is all about having a healthy pregnancy...and technology has made those not matter much. Highly experienced men will probably even begin to notice similarities between each girl they are with until they all start looking like the same person.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/03/21 06:42 PM
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Nah, it is more deceptive then that. The ONLY reason she wants a good man now is because she is older and/or single mother. If she was young and childless again, the first thing she will do is get impregnated by af again. Even if he is a deadbeat criminal loser.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/03/21 06:37 PM
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I know, I am saying that the more power women take on, the less men do for women. Men respond to incentives and only incentives really.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 03:06 PM
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Well ofc, the more power women have, the less men do as they get nothing for the effort. Men instead focus on being the best monkey dancer around to get some “sexy time” and then leave the women to do all the responsibility. Sounds like it benefits men at first until you remember that most men will not stand a chance in the mating game. So they just end up as incels. Just look up all the existing matriarchs in the world. They all say something along the lines of “men are worthless.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 02:59 PM
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Holy rationalization. Red pill men get laid all the time post red pill. It was pre-red pill where they struggled or got used by women. I am saying red pill exists for it works and by extension it is what women want men to be/do because of said results.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 02:53 PM
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The fact that “some” guns are loaded does not detract from the “all guns are loaded” saying either. If you want Awalt to go away, remove the high risks associated with women (ex: divorce) or make the chance of happening it insignificant (atleast sub 10%, probably sub 5% is required). Until then, it doesn’t matter how “little” women do it (it isn’t some, it is many really).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 12:57 PM
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Uhhh, men also dealt with shitty gender roles. Or do you think spending your life being a useful tool in shitty jobs (try working in a factory without modern equipment, you will be lifting heavy objects all day in 110 degree heat on nicer days) and being ready to die for her if needed is a privilege. Not to mention that you can never enjoy intimacy outside of sex, show any weakness at all, have to pay for everything even when it is towards your detriment and if you are not useful enough, you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 10:03 AM
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That happened because of that though. Japan happened because men saw what they were expected to give and what they received for it and started to say no in large numbers. Ofc, it isn’t 1 to 1, but expecting men to fill rigid roles while freeing women for there own results in the cost constantly increasing while the payouts for said cost to constantly shrink will result in a Japan like situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:59 AM
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Trp and mgtow have been saying this would happen for years. Many women want to be free of there gender roles, while forcing men to keep following there strict ones when it suits them. It is part of the reason the male suicide rate is so high.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:56 AM
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Because today’s feminism isn’t the same feminism of yesterday. Modern feminists literally work to undermine men’s issues for the sake of there own genders issues. You could try to define yourself by the previous definition, but the definition of feminism itself as changed. Just like all other labels like it, movements and groups change. They can even end up being the exact opposite of what they originally fought for. Just embrace the term humanist instead and let go of feminism period. Women des…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:54 AM
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I personally think mgtow is healthier for that. Many men in trp do it all for women even though it isn’t a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:50 AM
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Women only give when they have too. Just like how we only bring out the training treats when a dog needs training. This includes things like respect and it is why women seem to give everything to men who give nothing while they do not even give respect to men who give them every
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:48 AM
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Simpler then that. You just cannot use strategies like this to get a good LTR period. As these strategies require manipulation and that only works as long as you can put on the mask. TRP doesn’t care about about the long term and is actually prepared for the girl leaving as soon as she sees glimpses behind the mask (wait he isn’t the shit!!! He is just saying he is).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:46 AM
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That is the origin of red pill groups in a nutshell. If good men consistently got the girl, red pill groups would not exist. And no, getting a women after she is done with “games” and all other romantic fun is not getting the girl. It is paying for said girl while someone else got her in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:42 AM
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The difference is that a that trp uses that superficiality to get what they want (sex), while for fds it is the end goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:40 AM
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Well obviously most are incel level or there strategy would have worked and they would be doing something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:38 AM
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That is why mgtowers often say they love fds. It literally proves red pill groups right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/21 09:37 AM
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Pleasure, that is her strategy. She also says she is loyal lol.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/03/21 06:50 PM
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Getting bare backed by a man she met three seconds ago or using a man for money until he is used up and ready to eh disposed of.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/03/21 06:49 PM
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I would argue that most red pillers do not want to live the lifestyle period. It isn’t about wants or preferences here, it is just a binary thing. Either be what women want (via actions not words) or you end up with a bad relationship as a beta as she dreams or sleeps with the alpha on the side...or worse yet, no options at all. The thing with hypergamy is that it is winner take all. So you either get a ton or nothing. You either have a bunch of women that want you or none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 06:39 PM
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Nice dodge
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 06:34 PM
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If 1/3rd of something is a insignificant percentage according to you, why should we care about coronavirus or actual rape which has a far lower chance of happening statistically?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 05:53 PM
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Yeah no, if anything, Japan is just about ten years “ahead” of many other western cultures here. Sex dolls rising, western men becoming More and more nerdy...and with 30% of men being incels and/or mgtow (probably more incels as of now), we are heading down the same path. The irony of sexual revolutions is that it results in less sexual activity after a while. It is only fun at first for the first few groups. After a bit, people all start exploiting each other to maximize gains as they understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 05:43 PM
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TBF, leftists spam it too. Even here, anytime someone mentions what men are attracted to (young fertile women) someone strawmans that men are all pedophiles Pedophillia, like entitlement, privilege, incel, etc, is often just a empty term to help throw someone in a empty box so the person can win the argument without being right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 05:33 PM
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Nah, they do not care even if they are attracted to her. At best it is icing ontop, but men usually just say they care for virtue signaling. If she was ugly, said career would be used as an excuse to not date her (even though it really is just looks). Women are the same way. People just need to understand that humans rationalize there shallowness to protect there pride. Baring the exceptions and gold diggers, looks are basically everything in the mating gaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 08:44 AM
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If it was instead shown that 49.999999999% of men were incels, blue pillars would say “so you are saying the vast majority of men are players.” But if it is shown that even 0.00000001% women suffer from something, all men are rapist monsters. Atleast red pillers data actually aligns closely with what they say, the arguments is always if the data is enough proof or valid, never if the red pillers are lying or off about the numbers like blue pillars constantly do here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 08:34 AM
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Then they try to spin this as men are low value when they do this to avoid taking responsibility. Aka he failed at the mating game because he was lazy and unattractive. Not that he didn’t get any success despite his hard work so he became lazy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/03/21 08:22 PM
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Well, the biggest argument mgtow has against him is that his own daughter monkey branched (we even called it months before it happened) His advice sounds good in theory, but in practice...it just doesn’t work. Having a purpose is very important for men, but the purpose needs to have a worthy end goal to it. You need to be able to get that carrot and it has to be worth the effort asked. Otherwise you will just burn yourself out, especially if the rewards are not rewards at all. It is that meme wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 07:41 PM
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Lilith literally could not even answer the question of “why do you care?” When I asked her multiple time. It seems like she is just here to hate on men for no reason. She just acts like she knows more about men then men do and then makes ridiculous strawmans to counter the men that disagree like op’s thread. She even tries to trap men by turning the argument to be about incels in order to try to get them suspended and banned at times. Calling her out on what she says results in a suspension too,…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 06:22 PM
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That is it? Men go YEARS without friends and relationships. Often those are just based on utility too. Having one long period of loneliness is nothing lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 06:16 PM
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It is out of hatred and/or entitlement, not logic that this happens. Many women want the benefits of men working there ass off stepping over each other to prove themselves “worthy” of sex. But they hate the fact that they eventually have to give something back. And since one fuckbot hurt her one time, she can take it out on these innocent men too. It creates toxicity and hatred, but women do not care. Giving men a sexual outlet would result in men also being sexually liberated which is good, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 06:06 PM
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??? I do not have problems, I am mgtow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 05:28 PM
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The thing is that those who are anti-prostitution do not care about those who are trafficked. They care about controlling women and men’s sexuality. So they do not care if the institutions are doing a bad job or of women are getting trafficked at all, they just use it as an excuse. It is in a similar how pro-lifers act like they are for the children’s happiness, but after the child is born they do not care about the child at all, even if the child ends up treated like shit because you forced a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 10:31 AM
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Actually simpler then that, legalizing it means that cops actually have to do there job with trafficking. So ofc it is harder as they just did one random bust every once in a while (doesn’t matter if it is trafficking or not, they will just do a random bust and exaggerate things to look like they are doing a ton of work).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 10:25 AM
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That is silly. That is like saying homeless shelters existence is worthless for homeless people still exist disregardless. It doesn’t get rid of the problem, but it helps mitigate it. And it doesn’t hurt anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 10:21 AM
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It isn’t just unreported, the government actually doesn’t care about those being trafficked. At worst, they support it and are the customers that actually make use of it. When a town has a homelessness problem, the solution isn’t to help them. It is to push them out of town. So they make bumpy benches, build bike racks, etc. until the homelessness have no choice but to keel over and die elsewhere. It is why they do not spend resources on trafficking and instead ban backpage to make it look like …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 10:19 AM
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It is more then that. Most governments give zero fucks about trafficking and the people in it are probably even the biggest supporters of it. Instead governments at best handle it how they handle a nations homeless, they hide it and use power to make them be them invisible so they do not have to help them. Homeless men are gathering under a bridge for shelter? Build bike racks there so they have to go somewhere where people cannot see them. Backpage showing trafficked women to the public? Get ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 10:12 AM
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It is sad that I actually thought that could be a real possibility. It is all just so pitiful once you get over wanting women, looking at women from a third party perspective just makes it so sad.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/03/21 06:09 PM
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Church is the last place to meet a good man lol. Religious men will never bother getting a girl there unless he isn’t religious.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/03/21 05:18 PM
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You see, she is exaggerating her positive traits. She rock climbs very infrequently or perhaps did it once this year and so it is her gain by now.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/03/21 05:17 PM
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The problem is that they are doing just that lol.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/03/21 05:15 PM
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This one lady at my old job acts like every man who looks in her eyes is staring at her boobs.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/03/21 05:14 PM
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How come you keep avoiding the question? Do you even actually know why you are arguing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 04:39 PM
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They demand women be drafted to war or lose their right to vote. They're male SJWs but without corporate sugar daddies. Nope, that is a jab at feminists not a serious argument. How come you keep avoiding the question? Do you even actually know why you are arguing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 03:54 PM
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It depends on how things change. Some women will make it big (just like with only fans and the like) while others will lose. But since it is in person, it will be not as crazy of a disparity. And many men want more then sex, so Prostitution will not end dating. All it will do is make it harder for women to get the casual sex they want and make it so men have less of a reason to bother lying and using women for casual sex. It will also help men be more like what women want (easier to get the expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 03:52 PM
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No, if men are not psychotic rapists, it means that things like metoo and protections for women (see 6 pm curfew that was purposed to protect women) would be unneeded and are unjust. So things would be different for men. So why are you refusing to answer the question? Mgtow isn’t fighting to change any laws and since we are a bunch of losers according to you, we are making zero impact on your livesZ No we are actually helping you by removing the undesirable men from the pool. So fighting against…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 03:27 PM
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Or buy a hooker and get the same thing. No better quality woman. Not that improving oneself is a bad think. Men just shouldn’t improve themselves for women, they should do it for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 03:03 PM
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If you say so. Why do you care anyway? Suppose that you are 100% right about everything, not a single thing would be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 03:02 PM
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Not incels, which is why they're alone. Are you literally trying to lead me into a banning trap again (incel content is banned, so by moving the goal posts I cannot respond without being banned)? That is very underhanded and I am not falling for it anymore. to men who just want to be fuckboys No, it doesn’t matter for relationships either. While it improves the relationship, it doesn’t help you get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:46 PM
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They would still be themselves. They're not changing into someone else. That is a cop out, yes technically they would be themselves still...even if they changed everything about themselves they would still be themselves, but the advice is to “just be yourself” not change yourself. Even if it is for the better, it is still changing oneself. Maybe you're just taking a point to argue against without really thinking about it Or maybe you are just projecting
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:43 PM
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You said Human affection is NOT code word for Stacy's Pussy. He said You seem to think that men can live on bread and water without human affection, I'm not even talking about 'sex with Stacey'. You are putting word in his (and my mouth) to make an argument against something nobody is saying. You are even going the pathological liar route and starting to internalize the lie as true. He was talking about wanting a relationship/sex period, not wanting sex with a 8/10 woman or nothing. Being depriv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:40 PM
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r/MGTOW is filled with bitter divorced men and incels. Both groups obsess over women like crazy And? Even if what you say is true, it doesn’t change that it is the solution. What led to MGTOW is that they WEREN'T who women wanted. In fact, they'd make terrible husbands because they only focus on sex and money. Uhh, mgtows main gripe is that women only care about sex (with alpha fux) and money, therefore making LTRs and marriage pointless. Or as we say, “she cannot love the same way a man can” an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:34 PM
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Uhhh, I recommend hookers all the time. Even here. Men do lower their standards, but it doesn’t matter if women never lower their own. And being a good boyfriend doesn’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:29 PM
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It doesn’t matter how you pretty it up, you are saying men need to learn how “not to be themselves.” By “maturing” and being more “refined/experienced” you are telling a man to change to be more of what women want. Shy, kind and humble? Become confident, ambitious and self centered. Like video games? Grow up and like something more productive/useful. Etc. Which is fine, the issue is that you are being intellectually dishonest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:25 PM
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The same reason why many men love worthless bitches. But unlike those men whom we are quick to call stupid and told to date other types of wome! (Even though they do not find them attractive, making attraction negotiable for certain groups hypocritically), we do not want women who vet poorly to feel bad even if it is severely hurting her and everyone around her that she cares about. Confidence has no value and isn’t a good indicator of anything in the modern age.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:19 PM
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Because she wants men to submit to selfishly get whatever she wants out of entitlement. Either ugly men to figuratively (or even literally) off themselves or because she wants a better man then she deserves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:16 PM
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No, the only solution is to go mgtow. Trying to submit (give up and be what women want) will lead to miserable relationships (unless you just want to use women for sex) and unsatisfying marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:10 PM
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Nobody is saying that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 02:03 PM
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I see what you are getting at, but this is a bad analogy. Most men go to war because they have to. They are forced to by society (often even by women if you look at what women frequently did to those that didn’t want to fight), take advantage of young boys ignorance/beliefs (these people are evil, you must be the hero) and/or defend themselves from another group that is being forced/manipulates into it too. The people who want and benefit from the war are mostly the ones who never even have to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 11:10 AM
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Bull. Causal sex is not transaction at all as women literally get nothing but sex from it. You could argue status, but women do not fuck sexy loser men for status and often it goes against there value to do so (so much so that women hide it). You could argue in relationships it is transactional or something, but that is a different topic. Women just act like they hate sex to avoid responsibility or had bad experiences. So they cope by saying sex is awful and men are evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 11:02 AM
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https://www.icr.org/article/darwins-teaching-womens-inferiority/ Darwin reasoned that as a married man he would be a "poor slave, . . . worse than a Negro," but then reminisces that, "one cannot live the solitary life, with groggy old age, friendless ... and childless staring in one's face...." Darwin concludes his discussion on the philosophical note, "there is many a happy slave" and shortly thereafter, married (1958:234). He saw women as inferior and marriage as slavery. He only got married b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 09:32 AM
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Honestly, op getting raped and killed is okay according to her logic. After all, if she had the power, she would be the first to rape for some fun. Not saying rape and murder are good ofc, it is just an absurd justification on her part. It is the type of logic a spoiled child uses to justify being shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 09:40 PM
3

Suuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrreeeeeee
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 07:34 PM
1

Entitlement is a Manipulative argument based on all five of the “master suppression techniques.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_suppression_techniques It is empty and not really an argument. The only use it has is as a counter argument as a way to direct the argument in another direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 04:06 PM
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And in being more attractive too. Not just with plastic surgery, nice clothes, better grooming options, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:58 PM
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Because people like sex as it is fun. People with Low libidos are the ones that ask if they can get a higher drive, while people with high libidos rarely ask to have a lower one. ...With the exception being those that suffer from hyper sexuality. Although that is a extreme case.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:55 PM
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Nah, it is more because men that idolized women were more likely to breed. Men who knew the dark side of women tended to avoid women and see being single as the preferable options (a genetic deadend). Sure, some did breed (ex: Darwin) but overtime this would result in men who are willing to remain blind being the norm as they are more likely to have offspring. One just as to look at every ancient religion (especially Buddhism) and see how they talked about women and what there plan of action was…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:34 PM
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Ofc, which is why we take action instead of act like helpless victims. We do not keep dating women whole blame women for there bad behavior like the lady in the op does. We do the logical thing and take action in the best way we can.
/r/MGTOW17/03/21 02:06 PM
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And likewise, I disagree with you. Let’s just agree to disagree and be done with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 02:04 PM
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At the moment, they do not really care to ruin it. They probably think it is still a Ponzi scheme and will die in a few years or so.
/r/MGTOW17/03/21 02:03 PM
3

Oddly enough, seeing white nights and such in person showed me that many are more ugly then the incels that they hate. Many incels do not even look that bad, women’s standards are just absurd and so they end up a mental mess thinking they are worth far less then they really are.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 01:28 PM
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Sadly, most male therapists are shit too. They are usually simps or tradcucks who do not care about you, but what value you cam provide others/society
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 01:25 PM
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The best mgtow fuel is just observing what women do and looking at what you must do to be worthy of TAKING CARE of her. Not even having fun with her, but the right to pay for her happiness.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 01:22 PM
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This. All it does is show men what they should be getting. Most erectile dysfunction is because women just starfish and so sex isn’t that great for men. They do all this work to get a meh experience. Only in extreme cases does porn impact anything.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 01:21 PM
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The only thing porn did was show men how ripped off they are being with women. They can now easily see the shit that a woman can do to make sex better, but won’t do because these women feel entitled to everything while giving nothing.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 01:18 PM
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This. I thought about doing it too at one point. The issue is that it will just be taken down.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 01:15 PM
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It isn’t sense that these women lack, it is that they have way to big of egos and are too entitled to think anything else. They think that by thinking they are the shit that they are, but it doesn’t work that way. Basically, they are just spoiled children that have never had to grow up.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 01:11 PM
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Never understood why women try to turn the argument on men like this. It isn’t men who dictate what is okay for a man to be in dating it is women. So high n-count men are fine for women find it fine. Men do not find high n-count women fine so it is not fine. If women want to stop getting with fuck boys, many if not most men would actually be supportive of it lol. But they do, so the double standard remains and it is because women want it that way lol.
/r/MGTOW17/03/21 11:09 AM
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Sadly, it is why such systems work in the first place. If the value of money didn’t deteriorate, then nobody would have any real need to work anymore besides getting more wants filled. Doesn’t mean you should be a sucker for said system, but capitalism is designed to keep people poor so they accept being useful idiots in awful jobs. And crypto is obviously not going to last, the elite are going to take control of it and ruin it one way or the other. Even if it is just purposefully crashing the v…
/r/MGTOW17/03/21 11:04 AM
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In order to get super rich in the modern western world, you either have to be a useful idiot (spend a large chunk of your life pleasing others) or inherited the money. Both lead to men who are gullible suckers for gold diggers and the like. Ofc, not all rich men are suckers or anything like that.
/r/MGTOW17/03/21 10:56 AM
1

The women in question’s equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 09:52 AM
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Indeed, but they are. It entitled to anything nor are people as amazing as they believe they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 09:51 AM
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It’s what builds the foundation for romantic attraction though. Romantic attraction is lust (emotional lust). By this point if they were compatible the lust paved the way for a romantic bond No, they paved the way with work and compromises. It is only in modern times that lust was even a factor for relationships period. Some people wouldn’t have a happy relationship if it’s not with someone they’re attracted to. So they opt to be single because they’re happier that way. And? Yes and when they ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 09:50 AM
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Many men do the same honestly, humans are just selfish, manipulative, anti-responsibility and dishonest.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 09:46 AM
1

Sadly, most women are just too insecure these days to admit any fault at all while believing that they deserve everything for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 09:45 AM
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Again, I never said any of that. You are relying on strawmans to curve my point. I am not playing games, I am done.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 09:43 AM
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Because they themselves are that “ugly” or they are drunk. The fact that you refer to the men they get with as “ugly” shows just how picky women are lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 09:42 AM
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No Strawmans. I am not saying women should be required or forced to do anything. I am saying that women should stop being entitled and acting all high mighty when they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 01:36 AM
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Because attraction can’t be negotiated. So? Lust isn’t that important. At best, it will only last a few years in a relationship at best. Or do you think your grandma thinks her husband still had a killer ass when he is 80 years old? Should everyone just split up or divorce as soon as the attraction fades in a year or even a few months? Never have a happy relationship because they pick looks over a good partner? Inb4 saying everyone can get the best of both worlds lol. Then they treat those partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 01:33 AM
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Well, what reason does anybody have to do anything they do not like at that point? I mean, men do not need relationships and sex either. So do you want everyone to just hate and use each in a cold and empty world until everyone is miserable? Or do you just want men and children to suffer just so women can be that selfish? Also, it is that logic that was used to justify patriarchy and oppress women throughout history. Think about it, if women refuse to lower there standards, then that culture wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 01:25 AM
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Why should anybody care what women find attractive if it is unrealistic and unreasonable? Tons of people are forced to be with people they are not attracted too because they themselves are not anything special either. It is like a spoiled teenager crying that he deserves a high paying job. Then out of arrogance, at a job he is actually worth because he is entitled. They treat men the same way men treat women. Not falling for “x is the same, therefore it is okay when y does it” bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 01:18 AM
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I never said all once or even implied all. I said: It hurts the good men who never got a chance so she can get plowed by a what amounts to a deadbeat of the human race. I didn’t even imply that all good men didn’t get a chance or something like that either. No offense (you totally meant offense or you would never have said that in the first place, but whatever), but you just do not like what I said as you know I have a point...you are not only falling for the cherry picking logical fallacy, but …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/03/21 01:12 AM
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Or women could just stop looking at men like they are second class citizens (although I doubt women in general act as awful like you just said they do...and you know what kind of person I am lol). Women should just stop being picky and stop acting like they are settling for there looks match. They are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 10:38 PM
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It is manipulation 101 really.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 08:01 PM
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Go mgtow man, save yourself from future bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 07:56 PM
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Nah, you are acting like a adult man. It is human to lust after woman and it is hard to resist said lust for your own sake. It is why wise men who went mgtow were respected by men for controlling there lust, it is really really hard to do so. Especially without something like masturbation to help control it But think of it this way. Controlling your lust like you are doing puts you amoung the most mentally strong men throughout all of history. Aka Nothing in life is both worth it and easy. It do…
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 03:22 PM
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Remember all the times everyone called young men entitled for just wanting a girl period? None of that was ever entitlement, it was just men wanting and even needing (intimacy and sex are psychological needs according to psychology, see Maslows pyramid as an example). This is real entitlement, women who just sat around and partied hard while they demanded large chunks of unworthy men to work there ass off to get the privilege of taking responsibility of a woman and her children (not even necessa…
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 01:51 PM
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The whole reason patriarchy is a thing is because men caught on to women’s evil nature and seal it up after a period of letting women’s sexuality free. Women’s lust hurts many people not just her. It hurts her children and even her children’s children. It hurts her as she was used and abused by the men who women find sexy. It hurts the good men who never got a chance so she can get plowed by a what amounts to a deadbeat of the human race. This hedonism ruins and even kills people indirectly and …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/03/21 01:41 PM
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There is no such thing as Perfect. Many do the things we see is perfect is just what is best for us personally (including beliefs). In my opinion, a perfect world would be one where everyone can get what they want without infringing on others rights/happiness. We are currently trying to do that, but only for certain groups of people (as others must suffer for it to happen).
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 01:34 PM
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If that makes us a cow, then most of the wisest men in history were literal cows. Peace is the ultimate goal for men to achieve.
/r/MGTOW13/03/21 10:24 AM
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But it is true lol. Women only need men for sex and money at best. And making men dependent on women for close friendships (which is purposeful, gay was used as a way to shame men into not having friendships with other men, so they needed to get with a women and be a good workhorse to get any emotional connections period). This artificial disparity is why romantic relationships suck for men, men literally had to buy women with how big the gap was. If men no longer needed women for anything but s…
/r/MGTOW13/03/21 10:22 AM
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Also why we evoked to be easy to keep happy. Even high end men get very little directly, atleast for what sacrifices they makeZ.
/r/MGTOW13/03/21 10:04 AM
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You are in wrong place man, Awalt means Awalt. Wishing for good women But...but women of yesterday. They sucked too, men were just tricked to think that the problem was them. Even ancient texts like the Bible and Buddhism talk about the same awful traits that women have as we do. The whole submissive good women thing is a lie, at best you can enslave women and make them so insecure that they depend on you in a way that makes them fake that they are good. But that will only work as long as you op…
/r/MGTOW13/03/21 10:02 AM
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I would hate to be a young boy now. Even I, a super simp as a kid, would be disgusted by those two girls.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 11:25 PM
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Well at first it is at society for making them this way, then it is that women are at fault, then weak men, then themselves, then everything, finally you begin to see nobody is at fault...we are all just doing the best we can with our very limited knowledge and power. Anger also goes down with the chain until it is gone.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 11:21 PM
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Nah, women love being loved. They just do not care to give for said love.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 10:08 PM
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That is because 7/10s (these are post wall 7/10s) can fuck Chads easily but cannot get them as Chads marry there equal. Just watch that colattain video about him manipulating the 80/20 data into different types of graphs. It shows that a 7/10 women thinks her equal is like a 4
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 09:13 PM
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No, for there own poor choices. Women have so many options, so many safety nets, just so many privileges that the only reason they can fail is because they picked that path. Even if those things are not 100% perfect (say, choice of a large number of 6/10 man that will literally take away all her responsibilities and consequences), they have more then any other collective group in history at the moment. But they are now mad as they want that perfection. A 4 having over 300 potential 6/10 men to c…
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 09:09 PM
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I cannot even blame women for this. They are just animals like us after all, they are just enslaved by instincts that are deplorable by design. They just acted in there best interest. Most of the anger at women here is at there inherent nature, not the women in question.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:54 PM
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Simping only works for most men are in the bb category. Meaning most have little to zero experience with women. As men get more experienced and even get burned themselves, they stop being simps. And with tradcucks dying off and gen z being more exposed to red pills, I expect simping to go down with time.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:51 PM
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I think most young men have no other choice but to be desperate these days (unless they stumble upon the red pill). There is just close to zero options for most men who are not 7+ in looks.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:03 PM
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Men suffer from massive unfairness that they have no control over (ex: homelessness)? lol loser. Women suffer from unfairness that is more then likely the result of her choices? Omg, she needs help now.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 07:58 PM
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This is a good thing. First you ignore. Then you get mad. Then you bargain (think screaming at god about why it is like this). Then you get depressed (which is where you are now). Then comes acceptance. It is easier said then done, but try not to go backwards and actually reach the acceptance phase. A lot of problems will just disappear when you hit it.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 05:32 PM
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Well, the thing with labeling a large group of people as toxic (or anything) is that it is a self fulfilling prophecy. By treating men as if they are the enemy, they are going to turn tons of men into the enemy as they. are turning themselves into the enemy of men.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 05:30 PM
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Who cares? Edit: promiscuity is actually a GOOD thing for us. It basically gives the men here who are still interested in sex a cheap and possibly even free ways to get it. This helps mgtow grow if anything as men no longer have to give anything to women to get sex from women. I know that isn’t the answer you are looking for (you are fishing for the tradcuck idiots to mock to make all of us look bad...fuck tradcuck simps), but it is the truth. Is it bad for women and men still interested in rela…
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 05:01 PM
1

Or you can skip the degree, learn to code and get the same job as if you spent 40000+ on the degree (and that is a low end cost, prestigious ones cost far more). At worst case scenario, you get a job that pays less initially...but you get less debt and will end up earning more by the same time you would finish a 4 year fulltime degree. If you still want the degree, many good employers will even help cover the costs of getting a degree while you are on the job. One even offered to pay for mine in…
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 04:20 PM
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Exactly, it isn’t worth anything unless you go to a prestigious degree. You are better off teaching yourself to code for four years (will not need that much) and putting your examples on GitHub.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 03:25 PM
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No, it is because the degree is WORTHLESS as proof that you know what you are doing and everyone is rushing into the field because they think it is easier then it really is. So companies need to look for people who have proof that they can actually program (discounting affirmative action hires here). Which is where the whole “entry level full stack developer, need two years of experience” comes from. Most people who say they can program, cannot. Heck, I replaced someone who had a masters degree …
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 03:08 PM
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It is actually why society spends so much time trying to convince people that sex isn’t a big deal. It is a psychological need and it is a big deal. But only for young men and women. By trying to downplay the value of sex and making it so men cannot get it in a reasonable fashion they shoot themselves in the foot. Eventually, the man will not need sex anymore and/or can easily get sex via his gathered power...or worse, the man in questIon internalizes that he doesn’t need sex. Which results in t…
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 12:09 PM
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Lol, a computer science degree at some unknown university will get you shit because schools matter.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 12:01 PM
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Nah, you just have to prove that you can do it another way. Computer science is filled with people who just taught themselves. Even several here can vouch for this. Just show that you can do what they want and they will atleast give you a chance if you proof yourself worthy.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 12:00 PM
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The best way to tell the truth is through jokes. And the reality is that our humor is tragedy. It was designed as a way for humans to cope with life being shit.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:50 AM
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Even the women who do earn money (cough nurses cough) often still refuse to take responsibility for there poor decisions, they just get the money to take care of the child (a different responsibility). Even the women I know that did do what you say, still go on Facebook and blame men for there problems. Because women think they are entitled to men doing what they want, despite spending so much time telling men that they are not entitled to anything from them.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:47 AM
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Correction: She DID give him amazing blowjobs for a bit (love bomb). Now he is desperate for them.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:43 AM
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Nah, pedophilia is when the person lusts after a child, not a young adult. The age of consent is higher to protect teenagers from others taking advantage of there ignorance. It isn’t like someone experiences a massive growth spurt when they hit 18 or something. If anything, that happens when a person his 16 (which is why that is also the age of consent in many places). We picked 18 for the same reason we picked 21 for drinking. We just picked a age where we thought teenagers would be most prepar…
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:41 AM
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And she would still do the same thing if she repeated everything. She is saying a lot of this just to save face like most women do. God does understanding human nature make me sick, it literally sucks away all the joy and happiness in life at points.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:36 AM
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College degrees are not earned, they are bought. You just sit in classes and repeat what the teachers say just like elementary school. The only exception is when you get into prestigious schools. But even then, many are still bought, it is just way more expensive to do so.
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:34 AM
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Not burn out, but society stops giving her jail out of free cards because her value is gone and/or rapidly disappearing. Her cute ass can no longer prevent people from seeing her bad performance as an example. Simps and the like will no longer support her and people cannot avoid seeing the net negatives she is providing. And after a little bit of that, she starts to want out because she finally gets to experience what men have to go through. So only women with a built up pool of cash to cushion …
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:30 AM
2

The same way men do and still do for there wives as they grow ugly, yet continue to call her sexy/pretty for her sake. Actually, many men are forced to only ever be with women they are not attracted to just because they were born with less. It is only someone who is spoiled, manipulative, psychopathic and entitled who could refuse to give the person they love the sex they need/want. Loving means to selflessly give. If she cannot fuck her husband for his sake, then she is just using him at best. …
/r/MGTOW12/03/21 08:24 AM
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Actually the solution is simpler then that. Men just need to strike from dating women and keep doing it until change really starts happening.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 10:02 PM
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Gender gap for student loan debt...What? That is not something someone should act like a victim for. All it says is that women are worse with money. Remember young women are earning more then there male piers. So they cannot even use a wage gap as an excuse.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 08:58 PM
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The issue is that women cannot go backwards standard wise. Even if she settles and he is flat out better then her in every way, she will be unhappy as the dude isn’t as hot as the guy she fucked once for 2 minutes 10 years ago. It is better that these women do not lower there standards for the sake of men and to have the children that they really should not have. Let natural selection take its course.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/21 06:13 PM
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Man, women are so stupid when it comes to beta bux. Just do it for him and she can literally get what she wants from him (he is obviously a simp). Heck, a lot of women’s af/bb problems would go away if they just gave the same sexual access as the af got. Most of these men are pathetic and would look the other way for everything if women just fucked him like that. Heck, most simps are so giving that they would be happy with getting it once or once a year. But that isn’t even enough lol.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 05:47 PM
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Tbf, it is pretty dang obvious once you stop thinking with your dick. Women are incredibly simple, just like men. But not in the way that men like.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/21 04:55 PM
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“Creepy weirdos” are good men that women are not ready to date but want to save face in rejecting. She was rationalizing (to herself and/or others) why she doesn’t want to be with you. One thing that I wish more men understood is that women just say whatever they think will get them what they want. Or in other words, there words are mostly completely empty.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/21 04:49 PM
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Always remember, you are not alone. Tons of men are suffering due to injustice right now... ...some are even literally committing suicide and being killed due to modern women’s actions (directly and/or indirectly). All for there hedonism, to escape responsibility and other petty reasons.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 02:31 PM
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She posted this in fds (female dating strategy) btw. So it is pretty obvious that this cannot be true. She is probably a low value girl that refuses to date her equal.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/21 02:23 PM
4

It is like a job that you have to pay to work at lol. Where are all the hard workers?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/21 02:21 PM
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She is in fds. She is just rationalizing away that she wasn’t fired but instead quit.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/21 02:20 PM
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Basically, women STOLE the opportunities and training that her ideal man would have have had via sexism. Now they want a man even better yet, but they are unworthy of her. The reason that cultures only work long-term under patriarchies is because only women and children are loved unconditionally. So men HAVE to have an advantage over women to be loved as equal to women. All other culture systems just demotivate and demoralize the majority of men in said culture, resulting in the culture decelera…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/21 02:19 PM
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I consider this a good thing for men. Just imagine being married to a woman like this. She doesn’t even see men as human and just sees it as a trade, her fertility for provisions. Even if she could do everything herself, the point of relationships is not to use the other like an object. Even under supposed patriarchy, women were not treated like that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/21 02:09 PM
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Yeah, he is past the sympathy stage. 1st time and maybe possibly 2nd marriage it is the women’s fault for she is the one setting the trap (second marriage is for those who are older and didn’t have access to the same info). 3rd time though? His fault for repeating the same mistakes.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 02:01 PM
8

This, women think everything is given from experience...they rarely if ever have to work for anything so they never really understand men who work there asses off and get success. Even when it comes to jobs, many women are just given success, they do not even really have to try and fail like men do. While most men are lucky to get the opportunity to get success via effort to begin with. So they just see a hardworking dude who worked at McDonalds being “given” a six figure job a few years later. …
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 07:46 AM
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I recommend going exclusively to small companies from now on. Even if it starts out well at first, big companies are too protected and can go to shit fast due to political agendas these daysZ
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 07:37 AM
6

Men are designed to instinctively be pathetic simps when they are born (I am talking instincts, men with strong willpower and intelligence can push past instincts and such). Even alphas are often nothing more then simps that won. Entire wars, no entire cultures are literally killed so men could simp for mediocre women. So in order for women to make relationships THAT unappealing, to push men so far that many of the simpier simps are pushed away shows how bad it is for men there.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 07:31 AM
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Women are Solipsistic, they only care about what benefits them specifically. So even though they look united, they are often at each other’s throats when it is beneficial. That is all there is to it.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 07:25 AM
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Tbf, many good dudes become emotional wrecks due to the lack of success with women. They start having self -esteem issues, get demoralized, no self-respects desperation, etc. If they were treated well, they would have been the good men that women wanted. But women want all the payouts now without any of the costs or work.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/03/21 08:54 PM
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Might never feel like it, but it is better to be kicked out of the dating market then actually win the mating games these days. It is only really great in the short term, after that it is just an ever increasing amount of responsibility and costs for a girl who is likely to divorce you at the first opportunity for a “upgrade”. Or worse can you will be stuck with her.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/03/21 08:47 PM
2

Worse, they will blame the boy in questions Which will fuck him up even more. At best, they will be drugged up to bum the pain to maximize extraction.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 07:11 PM
8

This needs to happen in a large scale to fix the problem. As soon as women get real equality, things will just fix itself as women will fight for tradcuckism. Men are literally being demoralized into a emotional mess, financially destroyed, socially ruined and even dying/being killed because of this shit. And all so women can enjoy hedonism and play work. Let them understand why women fought to be housewives in the first place.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 06:57 PM
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It is why men instinctively are repulsed by high n-count women and want virgins. You have to be a combination of all her previous exes good traits (ignore the bad traits) to have her fall in love with you the same way as her first few partners.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 05:09 PM
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Women are rationalizers. They will get with a Alpha who they have sex with once for 1 minute and then think that he is a Greek god for the rest of his life even if he is a pathetic loser that lied about everything. While a good, but unattractive beta will be labeled as awful even if he is a saint and a genius.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 05:07 PM
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It is because of maternal instincts like nesting and/or maximizing attention a lot of the time.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 05:03 PM
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Because we are not misogynistic fucks obviously. Unless you think putting anything in a negative light is hating the person/object in question.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 05:01 PM
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While demoralizing and hurting a poor young man by taking away an opportunity from him to be a good doctor that will be a net positive on society. Would even be a good man for a women lol.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 01:13 PM
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Meh, they fight with emption not logic. Ex: Insecurities are often justified and the reason behind it is legit. But it is the most common counter-argument they for all they care about is feelings. It doesn’t matter if someone was killed or is now a emotional wreck due to someone else’s actions, the issue is that the person hurt is insecure...is feeling hurt.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 12:55 PM
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Well, if women couldn’t do that, many women would utterly hate themselves. It is a safety mechanism from preventing there maternal instincts from being negatively impacted via there awful behaviors.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 12:52 PM
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Islam is about as right about women as they need men. As soon as they can, they will abandon everything they teach about women like every single other culture in existences. They they either get smacked down or conquered so the cycle can repeat again.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 12:51 PM
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This. Kids lie as they do not know better yet. So taking what a kid says as truth like that is stupid. It could be true, but people need to look into it more before doing anything
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 12:47 PM
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To build from scratch to learn how it works? Learn http requests, get, post, tokens and encryption. Passwords themselves are simple, it is the security that you need to focus on. You are also going to need a server and even domain to store and display the info. I would just grab some books (JavaScript, http and Java will probably be the most useful for you in the long run) and learn the basics of web development first. Although you could just develop it as a side project until you hit a wall, th…
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 11:27 AM
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Exactly what I said. Improving just to improve will just lead to you being a valuable tool while never enjoying life.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 08:35 PM
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Funny how women talk about what masculinity is so much. Real man this, real man that. But they know about as much about masculinity as a child knows how to be a parent.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 06:42 PM
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TLDR: Get good at speaking, researching this stuff, debating and/or art to make catchy mgtow memes. Then build up content and see if you catch on. ...and even then, expect zero results as you might never get results no matter what.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 04:43 PM
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No, one should only improve if they get desirable benefits from it. Improving oneself for the sake of improving oneself is the path to being a useful idiot...a cuck. In the end you will just burn yourself out and would have wasted your life, never really getting to enjoy it. For example, workout so you can be healthy for your future or because you love it, don’t do it just because.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 02:55 PM
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The real issue is that it is way overpriced for what you get. After putting in years of effort to improve oneself, men’s rewards is a women who is two points lower then he is...one who just sat around and enjoyed life. So not only is she less valuable then him, the experience gap will make it impossible to get anything else other then sex from her. Women try to get around this by lying and acting like they know more then they really do...but that only works in the short term. And ontop of that, …
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 02:50 PM
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Good. First marriage isn’t really a man’s fault as they do not know any better. So you are not even half at fault really, your male instincts just push you to be responsible for everything even if you are not. But the second marriage (and plus), it is your fault as you now have the knowledge and experience to fully understand what is going on.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 01:43 PM
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How to see what a women really is like: Watch what they do, ignore what they say. Women just use words to get what they want. Or in this case, look good to others and rationalize away her vile actions.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 12:08 PM
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Manipulation like this isn’t difficult to plan at all, it is just incredibly cold and heartless. Making it difficult for people with character to do or even think about properly
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 12:07 PM
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These women are just so spoiled and entitled that even minor sacrifices and inconveniences are equivalent to what enslaved blacks went through. It is sick and mockery of those who are truly oppressed.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 12:04 PM
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That is how narcissistics work. They trick you into separating from everyone you care about by making you hate them. I feel bad for him. Yes he is a pathetic simp, but he is a super sheltered one that just doesn’t know any better. He probably doesn’t even know what it is like to have agency, which is why he is so easy for her to control him.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 12:03 PM
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And you do not have to work your ass off for several years to be worthy of a video game you do not particularly like. And you do not have to spend your whole life improving yourself for said mediocre game and being hated for being lazy and privileged when you refuse to sacrifice more yet.
/r/MGTOW09/03/21 12:01 PM
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Yep, this is what is going on. Our modern culture only cares about how useful x man is. As soon as his usefulness is up, he is disposable for even minor gains.
/r/MGTOW08/03/21 03:46 PM
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No, I am temporarily substituting to make a comparison and not replacing. Which is what you are refusing to accept. For example And you can swap one of those words into any sentence and make anything sound bigoted. If I said “I hate pants” and you swapped pants for blacks am I now a bigot because you changed the subject? By your logic I am. You are right, but not in the way that you want. Saying “I hate Jews” is bigoted, saying “I hate pants” is not by the definition of it. If I replaced pants w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 03:32 PM
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One is a middle aged guy who's a bit overweight, never been married, and constantly goes on about how all women are cheating whores etc., and won't accept anyone who's less than an 8/10. That isn’t a prince complex. If a women says she would rather be single if she cannot get a 8/10, she wouldn’t have a princess complex either. That is just a want. If I cannot get a high quality x, then it just isn’t worth it to bother to get a low quality x. Which could be stupid for the person in question depe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 03:12 PM
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Yes it means being intolerant of other’s opinions. Hating oranges isn’t the point. The point is you can make any statement expressing dislike sound prejudiced if you replace the subject with “Jews”. No you can’t as nobody is a bigot for hating oranges because it is impossible lol. And it isn’t just “Jews” that can be used. You can replace it with blacks hating on whites, whites hating on blacks, men hating on women or any other bigoted group to show that it is the same type of mentality. You are…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 03:03 PM
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The data you linked literally did not provide that data, nor how that data was conducted to check is validity. All it said was this: “ Over the past few decades, fewer divorcing women have received alimony, and when alimony awards are made, they are in declining amounts and for shorter periods of time. Conventional explanations of this trend focus on legal changes that have made divorces easier to obtain, as well as social changes that have led to larger numbers of married women in the paid work…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 02:41 PM
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Nope, combining three unrelated things (random insults of all things too) and combining them like that isn’t the same. Especially dork, which basics just a different insult for nerdy, that doesn’t apply at all. Ugly people do not have complexes because they are ugly , they were just born unlucky and as a result less attractive. And entitlement has no meaning, technology every single want is an entitlement based on the insult. Finally, no large group of those men wants a 10/10 while they are a 5.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 02:22 PM
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They literally said that those men are “undesirable” If I said I hate oranges would you call me a bigot for that just because it could be anti-Semitic if you replaced oranges with Jews? You do understand what the word bigot means right? Hating Oranges cannot make you a bigot as it breaks what the definition of the word means. Aka Bigotry means hating on a group of people, not everything. So all groups are interchangeable to determine if the person is a bigot or not. I mean, you could could prove…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 03:21 AM
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Bullshit. If Blondes are not my type, that does not mean I see blondes as “inferior” to red heads. I just am attracted to red heads. Or better yet, according to you all the white women who have a preference for there own race are literal racists. Or the idea that by only dating people that have the same beliefs as me. I think every other belief that exists is inferior to mine In reality, they just are attracted to different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 02:53 AM
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Tbf, that is what bad puas do too. Basically the idea of selling knowledge (not just for money) to suckers via half-truths, selling a path to a dream and saving the persons ego by pushing the blame/responsibility on someone else Ex: Do not worry incel, you can get the dream girl you want if you just follow my 10 step program. Buy my book for more info. Or in this case: Nah girl (actually a 4/10), you are worth whatever you want because you are so sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 02:46 AM
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No, there is definitely not a male equivalent like that. You can say men have other issues, but prince complexes are not a thing (which is why it is never used anywhere). Unless you are talking about men with value who acts as what he is worth. But that isn’t a prince complex, a prince complex would be a ugly man thinking he deserves a 9/10 (not a women period, a high value women).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 02:41 AM
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Indeed, and it is just as stupid. They should live for themselves, not another.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 02:33 AM
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It doesn’t matter if you personally would use it, the fact is that it is used by the person I responded too..and this place is filled with variants of it it. Ex: lvm
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 12:48 AM
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True, but it is best to just focus on improving you for you. If someone comes along that is good relationship material, great. And most people who focus on beauty just focus on attracting a mate or getting some other shallow thing that is empty.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 09:35 PM
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Well duh, when it is an argument about men’s preferences about n-count and they note that high n-count women are a no-go because they are strongly correlated with being bad partners, the focus is going to be on the women’s side as that is what the topic is about. If women wanted to, and they really should judging by the data and from anecdotals, make high n-count a deal breaker too if they wanted. But they don’t and women rarely if ever even state that there. So men’s partner count is just not g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 09:33 PM
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That is a loaded question, not personally being into someone is different from labeling someone undesirable just because I find them “unworthy” of me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 09:06 PM
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The thing with beauty is that it is not something anybody should focus on improving. The gains are minimum unless you go to the extreme and those often have detrimental effects in the long term. And in the end, anybody who wants you for your beauty to that extent will NEVER care about you as a person. It is just the path to be a sex object to someone who will trash you the moment your usefulness is up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 04:35 PM
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undesirable males I love how bigoted that is lol. Just replace men with Jews and Women with Nazi. The whole concept of “undesirable” anything based on these arbitrary standards is absurd no matter the context. Not rich and/or sexy enough? You are a low class human, a sub human in these bigots minds. Even if the woman in question isn’t that great and just screams entitlement. If a group of man did this, we would classify them as a hate group.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 04:31 PM
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Ty
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 04:24 PM
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No, you forgot one. Forcing it or making it look like they will if you say no. They will torcher a few men who are going mgtow and scare the rest into working when this immaterial motivation fails (will only work if they can convince men some otherworldly being will give them sex, wealth or escape after death in some heavenly place...so it is going to fail). This will have diminishing returns but it is the only thing they can do unless they got to extremes. Ex: invade other countries and promise…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 03:38 PM
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Idk, South Korea does. But China is different for there are way too many men. So even if men are going mgtow in large numbers, that isn’t really the problem as there are so many men that all women can get a good man if they truly wanted one. The only issue I see China having is women having too many choices, resulting in them picking nobody while blaming others (ex: men are all losers) for not making a choice. It is also probably why Chinese men are less “masculine,” they have very little to gai…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 03:30 PM
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This is a silly question. There is a looks and personality threshold for everyone. The real argument is about how high/low it is and if it is worth said effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 03:18 PM
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Nope. It is rooted in at anger at the universe and themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 10:00 PM
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The point is that intelligence doesn’t turn women (or men really) on. Being smarter will not directly make you more attractive (unless you bring in more money with said intelligence, that is usually what people refer to when they say intelligent). The lack of said intelligence can make you less attractive however. Aka short ugly guy will not gain points for being smart. But a sexy dumbass can lose points by being too stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 09:23 PM
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Bullshit Incels just want a women’s love, not sex. If they fundamentally hate women, they would not have any interest in getting a women period. They hate that they cannot get a women’s love due to the way reality is set up and there poor looks. ...and since women are the easiest target to point that hate at (ex: if only she was different and/or liked good men like men over sexy abusive Chad) they lash it out at women. But really, what they truly hate is themselves, they just wish they were neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 09:19 PM
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Who believes this? High n-count men also make terrible relationship partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 08:21 PM
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Bullshit. You are pulling the “if you want money just save lol” logic. The world is not that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 08:15 PM
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The thing with black pillers is that they point out the right problems, but the wrong solutions. They see how stupid the human mating game is and just refuse to ever really accept it. So they get angry and stay there as they want the world to change. Mgtowers look at what the human mating game really is and accept it then move on. They know the world will not change for them, so they accept it and quit as there is nothing in it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 03:55 PM
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I am going through the post and editing this response with what I find as I look through them. To stay organized, 1 corresponds with 1, 2 with 2 etc None of those are the actual study, just data from said study. I cannot trust it without the actual data presented. That study is being misused. It doesn’t count households where the women doesn’t earn a income but the husband does, it does take into account households where the husband doesn’t have a income (actually does both, but the blog is incl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 02:49 PM
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You do reality that blogs, baised propaganda sites and Wikipedia pictures are not studies right? Even if they mention studies, they often do not exist, a bad study and/or downright dishonest with what the study says. Post the real studies they use or they do not count. If you say, “but but they are linked in the article” you are wrong for atleast a couple if not all of these. To be clear, I can post a guardian article that states 50% of men are rape victims in the UK, but that study is bullshit …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 10:52 AM
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So no proof then lol. At best you are twisting the data and do not want us to look at the real data.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 10:38 AM
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Can you provide a source to back up the claim that only a minority of women use OLD. The last study that was posted here showed that it was close if not tied for the number one (bars) way people date these days (pre COVID).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 03:06 AM
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Yeah sure, but why would men continue to want?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 03:03 AM
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Nah, we will just end up looking more and more like Japan. Men will try harder for a while, but they will soon start to burn out from all the effort they are putting in especially since the effort required isn’t going to stop increasing. Some men will quit unwilling and just say they quit to save face, but many will just quit willing. Soon only loser, dependent simps will be interested in women along with the top Chads who do not have to do anything and will just continue to use women like usefu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 11:07 PM
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Source for that? I never seen anybody post anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 08:28 PM
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I do not understand your point. I just described the mouse utopia experiment in greater detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 07:40 PM
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That is half true. Most male mice were kicked out or quit as the competition got more fierce to the point that it just wasn’t worth it to fight. Mice were literally killing each other for a mate. These mice were labeled as “beautiful ones” as all they cared about was grooming themselves. Even when put in another cage where the mice were normal, they refused to get involved with other mice. Children were left to fend for themselves...if they were not raped and killed. And mental disorders in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 06:44 PM
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Yeah, I am confused by op. Women are already in harems unknowingly, but unlike other types of harems, they are just kicked out and replaced when there usefulness is up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 06:38 PM
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It's not that they don't care because of being selfish or something. It's that they have no need to care in their youth, because the media are telling them they are the prize, etc. That isn’t a good excuse, women had to pick who they believed. If a spoiled man did the same you would be quick to blame him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 03:53 PM
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Yep, video games are a factor as is people staying at home longer. But it is the whole story. It all amounts to the effort not being worth the reward.
/r/MGTOW04/03/21 03:29 PM
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This is the real problem. The problem isn’t that women just do it understand or whatever, it is just that women do not care about men period. And as a result, women do nothing for men period unless they see some short term selfish benefit from it. If women did a few simple things for men, a large chunk of dating problems for everyone would go away. But even the simplest of simple is too much. Hell, if women fucked there husbands like they fucked the men during causal sex, most problems would lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 12:57 PM
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I never understood men like that. If she cheats on someone else for you, she is eventually going to cheat on you for someone else. He destroys bros and/or innocent men to be destroyed in the future.
/r/MGTOW04/03/21 11:10 AM
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While there is several problems with male sexuality (about the same amount that female sexuality has really), a lot of the awful things we observe about it are because men are sexually oppressed to begin with. Things like rape and extreme male thirst exist because men cannot get the sex they want, do not understand there sexuality to begin with and feel ashamed to even enjoy there sexuality. If men were sexually liberated like women currently are, we would look like the prudish societies of old.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/21 11:07 AM
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Sadly, society wants lower tier men to provide as much as they can for as little in return and if they cannot do that, they want them to just quietly go in a corner to die. It is why people only really care about lower tier men when there is some perceived threat with them. But when he isolates himself and/or kills himself? “He isn’t entitled to x lol”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 08:52 PM
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That is the weirdest part of all of this. When people mention that men are polygamous, people are quick to agree and everyone agrees that men should restrain these aspects for the sake of others. But when someone mentions that women are hypergamous, people just get all angry and act like the person hates women. It never even gets to the part about if women should restrain there nature. Aka women cannot control what they are attracted too, but men have to control what they are attracted too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 06:21 PM
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Men can only put women in check when they strike and end up with power over women. Without that, men just get less and less power over what they can do to get women.
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 06:17 PM
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But it isn’t for those who do not put up with women’s bs do not breed. So it stands to reason that men who didn’t simp in periods like these didn’t have offspring. We are basically the children of lots of weak ass suckers and a few alpha leaders mixed in. So overtime the traits that push men to get with shitty women become stronger and more pronounced as they are who are most likely to successfully breed. Those with self respect and say no are just more likely to be biological dead ends. Which i…
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 03:52 PM
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Women do not love like that period. Women just look at what they can get from men and call that love. Or to apply it to op. Husband is a good provider, father and she is currently getting everything she wants from him. Therefore, there is no need to give him more of anything. She loves him for she is taking what she wants from him and is thus happy. High school boyfriend gives her good sexual fun, so he is a good sex toy for her to use. While he gets more form the exchange while needing to give …
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 03:45 PM
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The issue is that just because something should be x way, doesn’t mean it is. Our instincts are powerful and it makes success with women matter to our minds. While that isn’t an excuse to just accept this shit, it is difficult to work through it since we are fighting evolution. So even when men are trying, atleast every once in a while our brain will suddenly have the desire to get a women or feel like we need a women. What men should do is strike relationships period. Even if they can get a dec…
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 03:32 PM
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The point of the 80/20 rule is to say opportunities gravitates to the top. So it isn’t 80% of men that are not getting opportunities at relationships/sex period, it is that they are getting far less. Only the portion 40% or so get absolutely nothing for long periods of time (with it being recorded that 30% are sexless in an entire year).. But the next 40% juts have reduced options and often have to settle massively to get success.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 12:09 PM
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Tbf, a lot of that partying is just a fake image presented to people. Which makes it worse. But it is true that a small group of men get a ton of action while most men are left fighting for scraps. After college, many sexually starved men jumped into relationships immediately for that reason too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 12:07 PM
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Not to mention we often jump in the wrong direction and then the next few generations select for traits that previous ones thought were for weak losers. And the power it isn’t always on women’s hands. It tends to gravitate to one end then the other and then back again in a sine patern like almost everything else
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/21 12:05 PM
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Steroids don’t even destroy your body if you do them correctly The fact that you are not even confident enough to say that it just doesn’t destroy your body says enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 07:14 PM
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So your solution is to take extremes... to destroy your body with drugs and/or to mutilate your body with surgery. Just to get past the “entry line.” Yeah, I think my last paragraph is the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 07:09 PM
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Did you read his post? Very, very few men can get out of the "nope never gonna happen box" If you're lucky enough to get into the "maybe" box, then sure, some game might get you into the "meh, I'm bored and kind of horny and he's here... I guess he'll do" box. You can parlay that into a "Meh, I can't seem to land Chad, so he'll do" box. He is basically implying that effort does not work as you suggest (and it doesn’t). This is just a carrot on the stick motivation post. Just do a little more eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 07:00 PM
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Just looking in a girls general direction sometimes make them think that you are treating her like a sex object. Even if you really only ever saw her eyes.
/r/MGTOW02/03/21 05:40 PM
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You should love all the vile stuff women are showing these days...they didn’t change, they are just open about it now. I mean, would you rather you end up trapped to said women before you understand what she is or see it right away so you can act accordingly? Ofc, the male romantic dream is killed quickly when women show there true colors like this. But it is better to figure out it is a lie now then later on when you are getting ready to jump from a bridge...wishing you knew what was going on e…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/03/21 01:37 PM
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They also have low self-esteem and respect. Men these days think they are trash and accept shit they do not deserve as a result. Nobody is really there for men anymore (besides some small groups that are mostly in the corner of the internet). Tell a innocent young boy to young man is trash and he will come believe it eventually.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/03/21 12:08 PM
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The worst past is that she is the one that suffers the least. The good man suffers, society suffers and the children she has suffer the most. It is just women destroying innocent people for the sake of hedonism and trying to justify it as the morally right thing to do.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/03/21 12:04 PM
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Society is literally built on lying to men to even function. If we raised men with the truth, men would not go the beta route period. Either they would go mgtow or the alpha fux route (depending on how much effort it takes to be an alpha and how sex obsessed the man is). Traditional societies tried to keep the lies going by raising women to be carrots for men. Modern society just makes it so men have to work there ass off to get the luxury of chasing a half eaten carrot. So men are just starting…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/03/21 12:01 PM
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Men have and always will be anxious about there looks just like women are. But it is not acceptable for men to be vulnerable, so it rare for men to openly admit it. A large part of why shame attacks are aimed at a guys penis size and such is for that reason. Even if he isn’t small, women know that men suffer body insecurities like they do and say it anyway. And men who do admit it are shamed into silence...but the issue remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:51 AM
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It is the same feeling as when a poor man rents and spends a bunch to look rich. When you are out with him during that weekend it is awesome. But when you notice it is fake, it disgusts you. But you still enjoyed it when you didn’t realize it is fake. While plastic surgery doesn’t disappear, the fakeness of it sends a bunch of red flags to the primitive mind. So men will say they do not like it, but unlike faking wealth, plastic surgery just doesn’t disappear, so if it looks natural enough, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 10:46 AM
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This. IQ is about potential at best, not how smart a person becomes...which is more about opportunities then anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:27 PM
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I'm not denying the agency of women But you are here. But whether a woman stays or leaves is mostly based on the behavior of the man and his responses to the challenges she puts forth. Men do not determine if she stays or not, she does. She makes the rules, the choices and everything in regarding to who she says yes too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 03:30 PM
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Nope, it doesn’t. Getting the details just means you looked more into it. It doesn’t mean you got a full picture of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:59 AM
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Men cannot be responsible for something they have no power or control over. Like what do you want men to do? Force women from not dating that deadbeat? Force them with a good man? Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:56 AM
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Well duh, if you only ever listen to one side, that side is always going to be innocent and the one you do not listen to will always be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:53 AM
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So you blame men for men being blamed for everything. I mean cmon.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:52 AM
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You are arguing with a “both sides do it, therefore we are right to do so and they are wrong to do so” argument. The point of those arguments is to suppress op’s via a logical fallacy so they do not have to actually be right to win. So it doesn’t matter what you say as she doesn’t care if it is true or not (he/she even mentioned trp which largely blames men and tells them to either become the man or deal with it). So he/she isn’t going to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:50 AM
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Except it is. Attractiveness is literally about how many people want to fuck x person. If people do not want to, he/she is not attractive. And attractiveness is relative. A sexy Chad is ugly if he is plopped in a world where everyone is sexier then him. And a ugly man plover in a world where he is sexier then everyone else is then the attractive oneZ
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 11:49 PM
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Yeah no. You just said “so nice guys disrespect people out of respect and kindness?” in a longer form with more bs attached. He didn’t try for he respected you as a person, a equal. No toxicity, weakness or whatever. I mean, it is okay to not want him anymore or whatever, you do not have to rationalize bs like that. But to try to justify that he is a bad person just because t didn’t work out is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 11:37 PM
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Wait, so nice guys disrespect people out of respect and kindness? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 09:01 PM
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Yes, but she wanted him and didn’t make a move and she is now “loling” that men like women with the the sexual power despite what they say even though it doesn’t make sense. I am just pointing out that she didn’t make a move at all and more then likely made a move to push him away.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:49 PM
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So no proof then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:24 PM
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You just said Bullshit. I grew up around rich kids. There’s more irresponsible fucking, drug use, drunk driving, you name it that there has ever been going on in the hood. In another thread And I called you out for it not being proof. But it is fine as you know rich people and so you insulted me. Yet here, you are saying that using said logic is bad and means you do not have a point. The only point you have us that your rules are for others, not yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 04:32 PM
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Bullshit on that data, but it is true that it doesn’t matter who approaches first. Women just approach someone who doesn’t like them, gets rejected and then acts like men do not like getting approached as an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 04:22 PM
1

That isn’t confidence, that is arrogance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 04:19 PM
13

And it sounds like the first guy actually wanted her, but because she didn’t actually show she wanted him, he didn’t try out of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 04:16 PM
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Be yourself is like telling a homeless man to “be passionate.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 04:14 PM
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Nah, women figure out if you are good alpha material or not on the first meeting. A woman can miss if you would make a good beta at firsts as those traits are not visible like looks is (unless you are purposefully trying to make them visible ofc).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:59 PM
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No, I just know that I have a point. I never claimed I am an expert nor does that matter (that is a logical fallacy), but if we have to follow your line of thinking... ...You literally could not make a single argument about men on anything period. For You have zero experience in being a man, but I have experience with watching and helping raise kids. So if I do not have the right to make a point on kids, you do not have a right to say anything about what men should and/or could do on literally a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:54 PM
1

Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 03:48 PM
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It is not, heck what is important doesn’t fundamentally change based on your beliefs unless you believe what you are attracted to is sinful or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 12:54 PM
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Who said anything about income? Most richer families avoid these things because the parents teach there kids to take responsibility. They do have more money to bail them out, but that doesn’t mean they are free from consequences of there actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:29 AM
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No. But I have 7 brothers and 2 sisters...and 30 nieces and nephews. One of my brothers has six kids and is a counselor that makes around 30,000k. His wife is a stay at home mom and is pregnant. They are doing just fine. They cannot afford many things that others consider necessities, they have a small tv, no super fast internet, cheap phones, alcohol, nice cars, nice food, etc. But they do not not actually need those things and are just doing fine. They just spend time together as entertainment…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 10:26 AM
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Not had the child sure but more valuable men don’t want them. So their alternative is to have flings and be childless. That is just entitlement then. If a women cannot get a “valuable” man then she herself isn’t “valuable” either. So she really is just picking hedonism over children at that point. Which is fine. But she is no victim. Men do it too, and they are not a victim if they regret it either. The poor man might be willing to pay child support but he might not if he really doesn’t like his…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 02:02 AM
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Well, then she should either of not had the child or got with a man that is more valuable. Tons of poor men would be willing to atleast try. You act like most poor men are lazy losers and poor women are just victims. When that is often not the case. Women are often the deadbeat parent and poor men are often working and making the same as poor girls are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 01:52 AM
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The issue is honestly more complicated then either men or women are the problem. The issue is that we are refusing to call out women who make poor choices here. A deadbeat is quick to be shamed and hated, with child support coming in and forcing men who refuse there responsibility to take as much as we can. We even go to far at points by making it impossible for some men to pay child support period, then throwing them in jail so he cannot give anything to her and the child. But a women who sleep…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 01:48 AM
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Bullshit. People can support kids with 30,000 per year. Tons of people in poor country are Raising several kids with half of what poor people in rich countries have. Sure, it is far from optimal. But single motherhood is the worst thing you can really do to a child. The real issue is that women do not want to sacrifice there lifestyle for there kids. So they need lots more money to make it work. And they do not want to sacrifice there careers. And they do not want to sacrifice there sex lives. E…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 01:42 AM
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The issue is that we cannot just fix things like that. They are connected (for every sexless man, there is one single mother or women who cannot have the relationship they want). The issue is that we cannot just fix it as these problem happen at different ages of a generation. We would either need a time machine or just have to deal with working a couple generations to fix
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 01:35 AM
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If anything, it is the blue pillars who are for eugenics due to the way they act indifferent to men’s mating problems. Being against single mothers is about telling women to “women up” if the want kids. Either find a good man to ha e kids with (sexy or not) or just don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 01:32 AM
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Opposite of what you think. Gaming is shit now because it is a trillion dollars richer. Good game developers cannot make games that can compete with AAA, so they either have to get with greedy scumbag publishers who only want to maximize money or make indie games with very limited funds and scope. Certain genres can work with little scope but still reach amazing levels (ex: rogue, horror and retro). And certain genres are largely ignored enough that indies can make games in them to get attention…
/r/MGTOW27/02/21 03:47 PM
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The things with video games is that after a while you experience most of what it has to offer and it is difficult to find new things that offer you something. Even many good new games are often just more refined games of the past more or less. So even if gaming is better, it will feel like it isn’t after a while. It is like watching each Spider-Man reboot. First one you watch is awesome. Second is good. Third is okay. Etc. even if they just keep getting better you already experienced it. Taking …
/r/MGTOW27/02/21 02:36 PM
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Nope. In both situations the victim is a victim, and the exploiter is the one in the wrong. But the victim should take proper precautions to avoid being taken advantage of. If a woman gets abused once, then she isn’t at fault. It is when it happens over and over that it starts to mean that the woman in question needs to vet better. The opposite is also true. It is the whole fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you situation. You are trying to oversimplify this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:10 PM
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Sigh, avoiding getting abused does not mean the abuser is innocent. People should avoid getting in bad situations like getting with a gold digger and getting with a fuck boy. But that doesn’t excuse what the gold digger and fuck boy are doing. If a woman takes precautions against getting abused and thus protects herself, does that mean the abuser is innocent if she does fail to protect herself,
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 02:06 PM
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Sadly, it is possible for those who do not know better. Men here have shitty male role models (if any at all), so many men are falling as easy prey for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 11:00 AM
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why are you trying to twist it into something you can take personally I literally just called out someone for a underhanded shame attack and you respond with a shame attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:58 AM
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Actually yes, the issue is that women who has promiscuous pasts tend to not do that due to the effects of being promiscuousz The real issue is that men do not want sluts that become prudes for them. They either want prudes who are sluts for them and/or sluts who are sluts for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:13 AM
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And relationships are about creating the potentially “strongest” babies in an environment that has long passed, not lead to happy and fulfilling relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:11 AM
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And that she cannot give him a frequent simple blowjob ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:07 AM
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I always like reading about how relationships tend to struggle when the guy who initially accepts her promiscuous past is forced to look at what she actually did. Sometimes it is in porn, sometimes it is by discovering how much she gave sexually to other men compared to her, sometimes it is just because he feels firsthand what it is like to not really get the sex he wants while knowing deep down she gave it to other men. That is when many men who say the “past is the past” snap. Especially when …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 10:06 AM
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Because they do not care about men including his feelings (the ones not understanding), they just want men to get married for the benefits it gives them. Just go to a party and say that you do not want to get married, watch who argues that marriage is good for men. It is women (car salesmen) saying that marriage is not bad (car is not a lemon) with a few men trying to simp for the wife and/or relationship (dudes who get a discount or money if another customer buys).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:59 AM
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Your edit is because of what you said earlier. In modern relationships/marriage, Men are just suppose to be a part of her life, not the two becoming one. So as soon as it ends, people treat it like the husband is no longer part of the family...not that the two broke up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:56 AM
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You realize that more women post 30 are getting pregnant now than in their 20s in some parts of the world right? If true, that doesn’t mean anything. It just means that women are delaying children to later and later ages. And it’s not nonstop it’s just during her fertile phases. Even women at 25 are only about what 86% likely It literally said nonstop in the source you listed. And the study did not say what you just said. Even if I wanted kids I have a younger partner and apparently my fertility…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:53 AM
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Bullshit comparison. A better comparison is it being equivalent to being manipulated and used for sex. Which is something that women do deal with in large numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:49 AM
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Ah, a clever shame attack and a shifting blame to men attempt. Worried about gold diggers? You are just mentally weak lol (get good mental boundaries bro). Men getting mad at or are warying of gold diggers? It is your fault as a man for lacking mental boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 09:46 AM
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It is like exercise of the mind. When you do not not lift, you will struggle with many tasks that are physically exerting. When you have no endurance coming even minor walks will have you huffing and buffing. You do not really think about how it is better or use it like a rpg power, it is joust better. Same thing with the mind. It will just be easier to control in the same way. Easier to resist stronger temptations, easier to control emotions. Stronger wills so you can handle worse shit, etc. Th…
/r/MGTOW27/02/21 09:41 AM
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Meditation itself is simple. It is about being (or trying to be) present and emptying the mind for a period of time to control your mind (atleast ten minutes, the more the better the results). It is best to keep it simple and just focus on one sense for an extended period of time to just pull yourself into the moment. Many guided meditations tend to over complicate things and make it harder for people to follow it as complication gets in the way and ruins the point of it. Here are a few examples…
/r/MGTOW27/02/21 02:08 AM
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Well the issue with those posts is the person already made up there mind, but has a little bit of hope left that just maybe the fantasy is still alive. Op already knows the answer to the question for himself personally. Dating sucks and in the end there is still a good chance you will lose even if you do everything right. And the “prize” is not really that great most of the time either. I would argue that men do not even get any real prize for winning besides some feel good chemicals the body re…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:50 AM
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If that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:46 AM
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Uhhh, you do realize that having a 80% chance to get pregnant (not have a successful pregnancy nor does it take into account the much higher risk of issues the baby will have if born, just getting pregnant period) after a year of having sex atleast twice a week nonstop isn’t a good sign. They even had to combine a wide range of 20-34 range into one to make it look okay. And that isn’t even looking at the study itself, which judging by the large age ranges they were forced to use, probably doesn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/21 01:45 AM
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Meh, you got a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 09:15 PM
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We are less fit then ever before, so to say that many women are fit doesn’t mean much. Especially since 30 is when your metabolism really starts to fall. Post 30 attractive women are super rare and it isn’t really the looks that truly matter, it is the reality that her fertility is fading fast. A man with value is rarely going to be interested in a 30 year old women as he literally has to go incredibly fast to get a decent shot at having healthy children with her. Now, if they were together pre-…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 09:12 PM
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5% get way more results. But top 20sih percent can get some results. The rest are just lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 06:32 PM
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But that isn’t ugly, that is just average. One or two good traits with one or two bad traits is literally right in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 06:18 PM
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I would take this data with a grain of salt. This is more or less advertising (look at all these sexy, educated and young sugar babies you can buy!!! We have so many step up now and give us that $$$$$. And cmon ladies, everyone is doing it already so Sign up now). But there is probably truth to it.
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 03:35 PM
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Indeed, why do these shitty propaganda that is based on lies exist on YouTube?
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 03:34 PM
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Well, there is just a weird battle between selfishness and selflessness. On the small scale and short term (think individual level), selfishness beats selflessness. But when you consider the large scale and long term (culture vs culture), selflessness beats selfishness. Right now, we have no outdated threats. So people are just focusing on the individual level. But it will weaken us to the point that a much weaker force could overtake us if selfishness spreads too much.
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 03:32 PM
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This, there are people who you can trust...but they are rare. A part of that is because people who are trustworthy get taken advantage of until they stop being trustworthy. It is the result of the “you are not entitled to x for being a good person lol” society. It results in the obvious result. That people stop being good due to the punishments they get for even trying. ...then people complain as they feel entitled to good people as they were the ones who were actually entitled all along. Women …
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 03:06 PM
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While women’s demands get bigger and bigger lol
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 01:01 PM
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Well the funniest part is 60 year old men can get 40 year old women and even a 30 year old women pretty easily as men’s value relies more on what they provide.
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 12:59 PM
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It has nothing to do with trp (I am agreeing with you 100%). It is just people who want to bash a religion they do not agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 12:06 PM
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People who hate Catholicism and are looking for an excuse to bash it. Family breaks the core rules of a religion, religious community figures it out and kicks them out because they are breaking said rules, people are outraged for they want Catholicism to be what they want. This is the equivalent of someone bringing iPhones to play with in a Amish school, the community is just going to kick them out. It is just mocking a few of the core rules of Catholicism at the same time. Under Catholicism. Se…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 11:32 AM
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It literally is a mortal sin according to them. According to Catholicism, sex is suppose to only be between husband and wife, and every instance of sex is suppose to have a chance to conceive children. It isn’t even about conservativism at this point, it is just insulting the religion/culture. It is the equivalent of going into a Native American group and start making money mocking them via the racist stereotypes that were used to disrespect them. Even if you didn’t mean harm, they are going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 11:20 AM
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She is literally breaking one of the underlying and fundamental rules of Catholicism. She did the equivalent of letting her kids bring gameboys to an Amish school. Ofc they are going to kick them out for it goes against the core foundations of there beliefs. If she is not practicing Catholicism, then she is not part of the catholic religion, she should go to a school/religion that meshes well with he beliefs or stop breaking Catholicism’s rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 11:15 AM
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Even if she made a boatload of money, the kids will suffer from severe bullying...even in a more liberal school.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 11:09 AM
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This isn’t about the third generation though. Also, The third generation of things almost always fucks up as they are detached from the passion that the first generation put into x. They inherit x, but do not really care about it unlike the first who stated it and the second who was there to see it.
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 11:04 AM
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Sadly, most men refuse to do any and/or important aspects of this until they fail enough taking the easy path. Wasting year after year of there life. I wish young people would just understand that nothing in life is both easy and worth it. If it was, everyone already had it before they hit 18 years old.
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 11:01 AM
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Meditation is about controlling ones mind. It gives you the mental discipline, will and strength. A person who doesn’t meditate is as weak mentally as someone physically who has never lifted. It is why every single recorded wise men in ancient history did it, it is what allowed them to become so legendary to begin with. Most men in history lifted and became physically strong, but only the men who meditated ever were seen as legends really. Especially useful for mgtowers as you cannot really go y…
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 11:00 AM
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This is a question that is impossible for us to answer really. The best we can do is give you questions you ask yourself. If you were to die tomorrow (truly imagine), would you be satisfied with your life? Do you have any regrets? Anything you wish you did? Any dreams you had has a child that you wish you accomplished? Etc. Even then, you could still come up with nothing. Do you enjoying making games, cabinets, or some other craft that you would love to try and master? Any experience you want to…
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 02:58 AM
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You have no argument and are in the denial stage. Keep repeating what you wish is true over and over and over again if you want. At best, you will convince nobody that you have a point. At worst, you will convince everyone that you do not have a point. Saying green and purple are the same doesn’t make it so, show me some proof or keep living in denial. It doesn’t matter how you say it, repeating “fds and trp are the same” in a long winded paragraph form filled with personal attacks doesn’t chang…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 02:07 AM
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I thought you said there was nothing left to say lol jawsurgeryqqq Literally already broke down what is on the current front page of both those subreddits in this thread. Fds just posts man hating bs and entitlement. While trp is mostly some self improvement with some woman hating posts mixed in. Saying green and purple are the same doesn’t make it so, show me some proof or keep living in denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 01:46 AM
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If having a desire for something is entitlement, then everyone needs to be entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 01:37 AM
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You are right, there is nothing left to say. You have no argument and are in the denial stage. Keep repeating what you wish is true over and over and over again if you want. At best, you will convince nobody that you have a point. At worst, you will convince everyone that you do not have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 01:34 AM
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How do i learn to be selfish and just do me unapolegtically? It is a long process and you must be ready to destroy your pride so you can become what you want to be. First, you need self-respect, confidence and discipline to become who you want. Why? If you cannot take control of yourself, you will never be able to change yourself. You will always be at the mercy of others. How do you get those things? Build yourself up, take control. Aka Lift (to take control of your body), Learn meditation (tak…
/r/MGTOW26/02/21 01:24 AM
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It is true, having a ankle monitor is a reverse psychological tactic. Women think he is just so good, that he is faking his criminal record.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/21 09:21 PM
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People not women. There are tons of stupid/desperate men that will fall for a sexy ass in an email.
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 08:58 PM
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This is one thing that people keep missing about plastic surgery. They notice the poorly done ones but the good ones are just seen as “natural.” Also, attractiveness (atleast for men and men are the primary consumers of porn) is based on what is “rare” more or less. It is why blondes, blue eyes and such were the sexy type for a while. And why big asses are all the rage now when they use to be seen as unattractive not that long ago. Since porn has been saturated by “bimbos,” it stands to reason t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 08:48 PM
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I was the same as a child (think 13). Why? It is because I felt I was making my parents proud.
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 08:47 PM
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This sounds like another “trp and fds are the same” types of post. A logical fallacy to try to discredit a view point you disagree (think conservative/liberal (usually conservatives) using the “both sides are the same” to defend there side or write off the other sides argument). Trp and sjw are not the same. The fact that you didn’t provide a single trp, mgtow or even an example from here also brings to question if you even have a good real example for your point to begin with (although you prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 08:45 PM
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Tradcucks suck. They are closer feminists and simps.
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 06:44 PM
1

How come women think the whole “not used to these kind of things” would work in the modern era. Do they really think men are that stupid?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/21 06:40 PM
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I have a “high IQ” and I can provide said understanding to all of you “unworthy” individuals. She is a arrogant and entitled bitch. Note: I do technically have a high IQ (doesn’t matter that much in reality), but please understand that this is a not serious response...but she is most definitely...no absolutely and scientifically...a arrogant and entitled bitch.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/21 06:38 PM
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Worse. Basically, women who got opportunities to get places (indirectly denying another that would want said opportunity a chance) are wasting said opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 06:33 PM
1

Now? It always sucked for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 06:28 PM
0

You are right, but there isn’t much you can do. Look at the bright side, because so many boys will end up being pathetic (they deserve better, but what can you do), it will make it far easier to get ahead. If you are behind, you can catch up pretty easily as a result too.
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 05:56 PM
2

The whole “one blow job from the plantation” type is probably common. I always underestimate male stupidity (not saying men are all stupid, but that so many men want to be simps).
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 05:51 PM
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Not the male mind, male nature. Simping is our natural instinctual state (do not misunderstand me, I am not saying men are always simps). Only men who are experienced, wise and/or have strong wills break free of it. And only those greater yet stay single.
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 05:49 PM
2

All the options a man has to have kids without a woman: Pay for a surrogate mother to give birth to a child for you. Costs money and will atleast be hard for single men to get. Adopt. But this child will not have your genes and society is often against men adopting children for various reasons (sometimes, even hatred against men). Hope artificial wombs get advanced enough and you are allowed the ability to access one. Get in a relationship and most likely end up screwed over in some shape or for…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/21 05:45 PM
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To be honest, marriage and relationships are only a thing on the basis of “need.” If men and women could get what they wanted without getting in a relationship, they would not bother. Since women can get money elsewhere (even if it is still coming from men, just indirectly), they no longer need most men and thus have no reason to bother with them. Unless a man provides pleasure, entertainment, security and/or more money then another alternative. She has no reason to be with him. Men still have n…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/21 12:05 PM
1

Saying no and holding onto self respect is not being cucked. While they we not stupidly powerful alpha men or whatever, they are just making the best out of what they have. They would only be cucked if they put in the effort.
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 12:00 PM
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Never was either. The only possible reason that could exist is by making artificial punishments for not getting married.
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 11:21 AM
4

Well ofc, there is always something that “better” Even in perfection (ex: lacks the excitement of imperfection, etc).
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 11:19 AM
1

I do not know why people say “safe” sex exists in the first place. Every sex Ed class I hav sever seen always says that the app not way to really be safe is to just not have sex even. All sexual encounters is a risk, we can mitigate the risk but it will always remain.
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 11:17 AM
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I hate to say this, but atleast most women are and always will be like that. Even the ones that you think are different are often just patient manipulators. Many gold diggers keep up the manipulation for several years, some even ten to maximize divorce payouts. Remember, every man thinks there women is different on there wedding day. Yet 50% get divorced and only a small fraction of the remaining find the marriage satisfying (not even happy, just satisfying).
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/21 12:14 AM
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Nope, nobody could provide for themselves back in the day. Only for a very short period of time did women not “provide” for themselves (about 1900-1960). And that was more of a choice as western women wanted to live the life of a high class woman who had the luxury of being a stay at home wife (the grass is always greener). Men couldn’t even provide for themselves alone back in the day. It took a family amount of work to get enough to live back in the “good old” farm days. The thing is that most…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 12:10 AM
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It is because af/bb is very accurate.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/21 08:27 PM
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Sadly, women treat sex like a treat to reward good behavior...even if she enjoys it more then him.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/21 08:26 PM
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And while that is bad advice these days, it is how the men of yesterday got the girl. Being the alpha disk get much back in the day for the beta bux phase happened far sooner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 08:21 PM
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Do you think that if you could split your mindset between outside and inside the bedroom (outside the bedroom you don't give a fuck about her pleasure, inside you do) you'd be even more successful? Yes. Although when it comes to casual sex, there is nothing more to get outside of sex. So there is little to no motivation for men to care at that point. And someone who doesn’t care will not really have any reason to care anymore about her if he gets sex. But theoretically, you could act like you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 08:02 PM
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Because of natural selection. If we cared about human life (males really) in general (not virtue signaling, actually cared), then we couldn’t destroy each other over nature’s stupid game for us. Basically, by not caring about fellow humans, it allows us to get “further” by having the will to stomp over others. To put it another way, if you cared about every ant on the road, you would struggle to walk in your daily life. It is the same idea as to why human life isn’t valued that much...unless he/…
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 07:20 PM
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No, I mean quality and quantity. Not caring about women (which includes her happiness and pleasure) is how you “win” the casual sex game (I would say the mating game in general, but you could atleast make some decent arguments there
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 01:09 PM
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Except I am not a teenager and get far more success by treating women like shit then I do bringing her to a nice restaurant. You can talk about how much I do not get laid all you want, yet all the men here who understand what I mean experience first hand and so your insults run hollow.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 01:07 PM
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Yeah I didn’t understand that question, this is very common even outside of dating. Heck, capitalism itself relies on making others “miserable” so another can be happy. And our history is filled with awful people living the time of there lives on the backs of others, many of whom did atrocious things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 01:05 PM
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You do realize that relying on insults is a indicator that you think that I am right deep down right? Otherwise you would just prove me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 01:03 PM
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That quote is a feminist wet dream. It is more like this. Hard times need strong men, so men are allowed to be strong. Strong men create good times Good times hates strong men, so they prevent men from ole ignorant strong. This results in men being unable to upkeep (or be willing to upkeep) society. So hard times come again. Blaming men like that is silly.
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 12:10 PM
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Yes and no, individually we cannot do anything. Not even powerful men are making a difference at all if they try. And without the power to change things, we cannot take responsibility to make a change (the inverse of the Spider-Man great power means great responsibility quote ). Trying to do so will just lead to you just getting burned up in the fire at best. Collectively though, yes men are at fault. Although this is more of the fault of men of yesterday as they are the ones who created this si…
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 12:08 PM
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That isn’t going to help. You are telling someone to ignore the screaming that is going on next door. It is easy to say, impossible to do. Even if you use ear plugs 24/7, you will frequently remember why you are wearing earplugs in the first place. Doesn’t mean he should “care” but you are just doing the whole “just x bro” meme. If he could just not care, he would have already.
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 12:05 PM
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Nah, entitlement is just misused in these cases. When they say entitlement, they mean wants So it is “A guy isn’t allowed to want a women’s time.” Is what they are really saying. It is just a very dark and manipulative thing to do to men. It is this mentality why men are such a mess. Men are just suppose to shit up and be useful idiots, all the while women just get to party hard using men’s resources and future resources (directly or indirectly). We are a society, and in a society we all “owe” p…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/21 12:02 PM
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Sadly, people think anything that restricting women actions at all for any reason or in any way is just oppressing her to the point that you not letting her do literally anything is treating her like a piece of shit. It is absurd and results in even setting the lowest of bars becoming seen as you being a misogynist demon.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 11:03 AM
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No, because it isn’t about personality. Op wants it to be about personally when it comes to her, but she obviously doesn’t when it comes to the men she wants. Otherwise she could easily get a man that is less attractive but treats her well and such. So your counter argument doesn’t apply.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/21 10:55 AM
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All the men I know that are successful with women do not care about her pleasure (including me), all the men that do never even get a chance to have casual sex really. In order to have success in causal sex as a man, you need to not care about the women at all in the first place. As the confidence and such that is needed requires the man to be apathetic about the outcome...aka he cannot care about her and someone who doesn’t care about her will definitely not care about her pleasure in the excha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/21 10:51 AM
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Well, “chads” are either super red pilled or super blue pilled. They either see women’s 180 with them first hand or never see it until the divorce papers are on the table.
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 01:56 AM
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Due note that is probably worse now.
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 01:54 AM
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Well, I think we are about ten years “behind” Japan. Women will demand more and more, while giving less and less for relationships. Which will push more and more men out of the market. This in turn will result in women being at the mercy of the remaining men left that are continuing to try. Since there is a shortage of “good” men left, they will treat these women worse and worse. So women will start being pushed out of the market too. This will eventually result in both genders hating each other…
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 01:53 AM
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Meh, some other mgtow forum will come up.
/r/MGTOW24/02/21 01:18 AM
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I wish I lived in a third world country honestly. Nice shit is overrated. I would rather just have a healthy society. Not this backstabbing, mercenary, pussy worshipping, lonely society we have now.
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 10:20 PM
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So are Indians (remember the “Indians are original incels” article posted here lol).
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 10:19 PM
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Nope, it leads to the idea that people are responsible for there actions upon others. This isn’t about morality nor entitlement, trying to make it about that is very intellectually dishonest thing to do. The fact is that her divorce pushed him over the edge. So she is atleast partially at fault for his death and it is her actions that did so. It is why negligence and refusal to save others is often punishable by law. Because despite someone not being owed my help, by refusing to help I have a ha…
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 03:30 PM
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I get downvoted a lot here, lots of lurkers and “fake” mgtowers here
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 02:44 PM
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This is the real answer. Any other benefits that a marriage could possibly provide could also happen without marriage. And since 50% of marriages end In divorce (not to mention the very low marriage satisfaction rate when you count the ones still married).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 01:34 PM
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This. Most rich and/or famous people are average or worse in value. They just either stole some idea, randomly thought it up, got luck, given the opportunity from a connection and/or were born with the value they have.
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 01:06 PM
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Without knowledge to make the right/best choice, you might as well say that he/she cannot make the right choice. Technically speaking, slaves could have just untied and freed themselves pretty “easily”. Does that mean they were slaves by choice? No, they just didn’t know they could, so the option was never available to them.
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 01:02 PM
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So just like Christians did back in the day and they are cucked now? Yeah, you need to stop this Muslim worship.
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 12:58 PM
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You need to watch that Colttaine video about this subject. Islam is gynocentric and not right about women. But because they desperately need men to cooperate, they cater to men.
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 11:21 AM
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True, but it really is because spoiled, entitled women of the spoiled younger generations are starting to hit the wall. Out of bitterness, they are lashing out at others to cope with the lack of desirable consequences of there own actions.
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 11:17 AM
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It is the same as how a child of a Jew that is an atheist is a Jew to Nazis. It is just hatred and anti-responsibility, white people are the current target for them.
/r/MGTOW23/02/21 11:09 AM
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It is solipsism. Most women are so spoiled that they do not see anything but themselves.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/02/21 08:10 PM
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It is because women are sleeping with a small percentage of men and many are being impregnated. This makes it impossible for large chunks of men to find a girl that doesn’t have kids period. So culture tried to normalize it along with other bullshit to create a “new normal.”
/r/MGTOW22/02/21 06:44 PM
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Lol.
/r/MGTOW22/02/21 06:42 PM
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Because many men believe that sexual experience ruins them for long term Relationships. Also, this is largely two different types of men saying one or the other of these things. Many men think porn is bad and feel ashamed even when using it (if they use it). While many men are sex positive and fine with women who do porn...although some may avoid them for Ltrs and just like them for they are easy. It is the same for many men who grew up getting left out of romance but are chased after hard when …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 06:16 PM
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Bad analogy for this kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 06:11 PM
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you dont even need a very innovative and new idea No, you just need the money to invest in it and the marketing required.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 04:46 PM
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I never understood why women listen to failures so much for advice. Oh wait, I do. These failures say what the consumer of the material wants to hear. People who are successful just say the cold hard truth about what people need to actually do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 04:31 PM
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Automation is making large chunks of people “unnecessary.” The only reason many jobs even exist these days is to ensure people have money to spend to keep the economy running.
/r/MGTOW22/02/21 04:25 PM
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They always do that. They love us being a tournament culture when they are “winning” but after there time is up, they want to get everything that they gave up for the hedonism they enjoyed.
/r/MGTOW22/02/21 02:29 PM
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It isn’t just about men either. If a woman doesn’t get the sex she wants, it is the same level of misery. No sex, a happy marriage just isn’t possible. Some people have low sex drives, so it doesn’t take much for some. But sexual needs are the foundation before anything else in a marriage No sex and things that use to be a non-issue become marriage Enders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 02:05 PM
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To be fair, it might be because husbands tend to die first. Perhaps the mental toll of the person you loved for 20 maybe even 40+ years being gone tends to make women live shorter lives. And who is to say living longer actually means you are happier? Many miserable people live long lives. Although I think the whole “married people are happier” is bs anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 02:00 PM
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No, they are not reliable at all. Any data on marriage should be taken with a grain of salt as there is too much bias in favor of marriage as they are trying to sell marriage to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 01:26 PM
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You are right, one of the big issues is that boomers are refusing the pass the torches. The issue is that they are burning out from neglect and it is not going to fall in the people’s hands The issue is that the government and big corporations are soaking up boomers resources and it will either be small or non-existent when it can land in other peoples hands. They are saying fuck you and letting the ship sink then allow themselves to give up there privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 11:42 AM
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Yea and no, easier to start harder to succeed. You cannot just go out and get rich on a good idea anymore, most of the remaining good ideas are complicated and expensive to achieve or impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 11:38 AM
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It is because interviews are not about the job at all, but about status/money/connections/looks. Being amazing at something is no longer enough. You got to perform a ritual to be allowed to work for a company now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 11:36 AM
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Tbh, that is the only option men have in modern society if they want to play the shitty game. If you are not born rich/sexy, then you must do whatever it takes to become rich to get any success at all. There is this weird gap in the hierarchy where nothing matters and then suddenly everything matters. And the gap is huge. You enter the top 20% and you can get your pick amoung the top 40-60 percent of women. But if you are in the top 30-40 percent bracket, you get scraps at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 11:35 AM
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You missed something. The biggest reasons guys do that is because they do not “get it” until it is “too late.” A 13 year old who learns what to do can easily do everything and get the girl they want. But most men do not even understand anything about how to get a women until post 25 now. At which point, he will have to settle for less then they want after putting in years...if not a decade of work to get it. To get good at something, you need to know what you are doing and be experienced with it…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 11:27 AM
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The thing is that legalizing it will only help end trafficking. Although the real issue is that governments give zero fuck about those low class women who get trafficked...not even the women with power care. They do have the power to end it, they just do not care too. Especially since they are the most common customers of said services. And unlike drugs, it isn’t profitable. So we do very little to help sex slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 11:09 AM
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Well duh, that is because it is illegal. Only dodgy people are willing to do illegal activities in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 11:06 AM
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It would also help decrease many of women’s complaints in the mating game. Porn is why rape is so low in modern times. Making sex buyable will demotivate men from using women from sex, lying to get sex, creepy men approaching women, etc. It would also improve women’s options as men who are unconfident, bad at bed, etc will have an alternative option to learn. Especially men who have bad trauma and intimacy. It would also help partners who struggle with Actually prostitution is already kind of le…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 11:03 AM
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Well duh, that is a common sense with illegal activities. You always go after the seller for they are the ones that are allowing the illegal activity to exist in the first place. The whole “making it legal to sell, but not buy” is an attempt to actually kill prostitution completely. As sex workers will be treated like they are all being trafficked or oppressed, they will just be sent to get “mental help” instead and then to get them go help them arrest all the Johns seeing her. In order to stay …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 10:56 AM
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Because it benefits the women here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 07:51 PM
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The reason? Because nature is a bitch. Heck, the reason we age is because nature wants us gone after our usefulness is up. Natural selection wants to cull the “unworthy” based on bullshit outdated criteria that would make Hitler blush with how vile it is. The unworthy makes up about 40-80 percent of men. Feminism is just women’s nature unleashed. Women are designed to be unsatisfied so they will just ask for more indefinitely. And women are working more for we are transitioning to a tournament s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 07:36 PM
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That doesn’t actually support your point though. Technology would just increase women’s standards due to increased options. In response, men would have to do more to get the same as before.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 07:28 PM
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Do they have the luxury to do that? The issue with prostitution being illegal and underground is that you really cannot tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 07:15 PM
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Or how many joined only fans.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 07:15 PM
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Except it doesn’t protect sex workers and they will have to go into more vulnerable situations to get the sam clients as before. Don’t believe me? Go to the sex worker subreddit and search for what they are saying If Johns are at risk and women are not, then they are going to have to be the ones catered to for his safety. She is going to have to go to his place over hers for his protection...which also puts her at increased risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 07:14 PM
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Saying ted bundy is a serial killer isn't "avoiding responsibility", he literally did that. Yeah, but all the women who wanted to date him are at fault if they end up being hurt by someone who is obviously bad (and he had a lot of admirers). If you run through a mine field and get blown up, sure the mine is responsible for blowing you up but it is your fault for ignoring the signs and rushing in. You are running in a minefield and refusing to not run in it. That is the type of anti-responsibilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 06:08 PM
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That is just silly. In a movie aimed primarily at men, it will appeal to the male fantasy as that is the point of the media. And the male fantasy is about being loved for what you do over what you are. So usually it is about some underdog who has potential but is neglected becoming amazing after some conflict. He then gets the hot girl who loves him now while rejecting the alpha jock douchebag who also wants her. Aka just wish fulfillment. The opposite is true for media aimed at women, it will a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:57 PM
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Jordan Peterson also believes that men should throw themselves in a crocodile pit for the sake of society too as they owe humans and shit. His own daughter even went Awalt and monkey branched too after telling people that marriage is not worth it. He does say somethings that are true, but he is also wrong in many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:52 PM
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There is no way to act for women that avoids bad men other than avoiding men altogether. Okay, then avoid men. You are not owed good men. If you think it is impossible to avoid bad men or that all men are bad. Then that is the action you should take. But really, the correct option is to just vet better here (unless you believe the costs outweigh the benefits ofc). If you refuse to do so, men will just never get better for you are not incentivizing it. No. r/relationship_advice is full of men bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:48 PM
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You are confusing nurture with nature. Just because domesticated pet acts different then a wild animal of the same species, does not mean that the pets innate nature is different. The environments are what is different. You can tell the difference based on what rules we make. We have to make rules to make monogamy even exist and cultures had to go to extreme lengths to stop our tournament nature from overpowering it. We will continue to be “liberated” and each future generation will be less and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:37 PM
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No, women are responsible for there own actions. Want good men? Act accordingly. Same is true for men and we already do exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 05:32 PM
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No, it isn’t. We are natural tournament species that want to avoid the consequences of being it while getting the benefits of a pair bonding species. In a tournament species: Males are bigger and more aggressive then females. 2.men’s value is based on things like sex, aka a pair bonding species would never insult men for lack of sexual success. So men spend there time peacocking and trying to get a mate. Men are polygamous and hypergamous, and large chunks of males are left out of the mating gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 01:46 PM
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Wha? Even if we were a “hate” group, we are nothing like the taliban as we are not a movement. We are just a group of men that say fuck it to relationships and just want to do what we want. The closest comparison they could make that we could be trimmed to fit (make a square into a circle to shove us in a predefined hole) is that of bitter incels in disguise taking the “you didn’t fire me, I quit” approach. But I am guessing that people caught on that isn’t true or all so they cannot really use …
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 12:27 PM
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Women just say whatever they think will get them what they want (includes themselves). These women are just hamstering an excuse to hurt everyone in hopes of having the opportunity to drown in lust. Since the dude is literally close to perfect, it is hard to justify it compared to men with flaws. So they go to extreme lengths to justify there evil.
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 11:54 AM
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Technically, everyone feels this. But we make men grow up while we keep women as teenagers treatment wise. This results in women not discovering the truth until it is too late and after burning...perhaps even killing several men (divorce is the leading cause of suicide). But wait, it isn’t just the man and her, the one who will suffer the most is the child and his/her children by extension. It often takes generations to heal the damage these hedonists do. . It is like a spoiled rich boy never be…
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 11:52 AM
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and women will stop having babies they can't afford. Sadly no, that will not stop it. Women will only have babies with good men when forced or “tricked” too.
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 11:35 AM
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This. Sadly, most men and all women will shit on men who are “weak” (hate that term, we are not tools damn it, it is the whole reason we left women in the trash). So most men will never share anything until it is too late to get help.
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 11:32 AM
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This. Men reading this need to learn this. Many people, even here, think that they owe the world shit to believe what they believe.
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 11:29 AM
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It is sad when someone denies it forever, those that do learn are not sad.
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 11:27 AM
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Women tend to say they are “never getting married” right as they get on the cc (usually as a hamster to justify it). That is what is being referred too.
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 11:24 AM
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You misunderstand, people are often dishonest about this...as share means that women do half there traditional duties while men do all do theres as men’s duties do not count. Men often do all the physically hard tasks and are often still the primary money makers in the family. So ofc they are going to do less of the other tasks as they are already putting in there fair share. But for some reason, men doing all the yard work (which is physically exhausting at many points), house maintenance, etc …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 11:23 AM
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Or perhaps these ugly/average men were given a chance for they are mean and entitled. But then again, men asking to not be treated like garbage and actually get something from the relationship are compared to Hitler here. So who knows, maybe these men are mean for they didn’t let the girl have a “cheat day” or some bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 11:15 AM
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That is bs. Just look at the simp phenomenon, most men would be happy to just be with one average girl and spoil her forever. Women just look at there options and assume they are worth far more then they really are. So they all chase after a small group of men who become spoiled with options to the point that women are disposable to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 11:01 AM
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Hard to say. I think the average man knows it’s very easy for women to get dates, but underestimate how hard it is to find a quality guy to keep dating. That sounds more like men just do not care as that problem sounds pretty minor compared to what even above average men go through.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:57 AM
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but this seems to be the opposite of what incels actually are, they have a defeatist attitude about reality and recognize that they're unloveable based on personal traits they believe are immutable. That is exactly what I just implied. Wanting the universe to change to make things work is what defeatists do. They themselves can not do anything so they can only scream at the stars for things to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:51 AM
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Sorry, but people have always put themselves first (even when they said they didn’t). It is why all the currently powers in the world were capitalist systems in those “good old days” were men were giving like crazy.” The difference is that people got what they wanted from giving so they gave more...aka those that took on responsibility for a fair reward for it. Which did include relationships and family too. In matter of fact, perhaps it being easy for men to get the relationship that they want …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:48 AM
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Women can put in as much effort as they want and be the pursuer if they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:41 AM
2

Yes, it definitely is. If by bitching you mean defending yourself from people telling you to accept a shitty deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/21 10:38 AM
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It just shows a lack of discipline, that is it.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 10:45 PM
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Because they just date for fun. Even if they date for money, they still like to have fun. Older women still looking are still entitled and now bitter as they are now as attractive as the men they use to hate on, ignore and even bully to the point of mental illness.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 09:57 PM
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Yep, we are “suppose” to be mating off at 16 or possibly younger ages. We have just developed to the point that this is just a bad idea and not necessary anymore. It is designed to protect the young adults from manipulation and such, give them time to grow and understand. Many people in fds want the age of consent raised to 25 lol.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 09:54 PM
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Actually, they raise sons to be the kind of man they wish they wanted when they were young. Women have this stupid dynamic where they want to get the lust but want the opposite to be the end result. But that is just never going to happen.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 09:47 PM
1

Tbh, nothing will be worth much of that happens. It would be better to just have valuable skills and the ability to defend oneself.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 09:42 PM
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Nah, the simps like it even more because they can have a child without any responsibility to it. In some states, men have to pay for the child even if it is not his post divorce.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 09:40 PM
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Why are your downvoted? You are right. The whole reason the concept of sin exists is because of the observable damage it does to future generations. Whatever the ancestors observed that hurt the tribe or destroyed the neighbors tribe became a sin for the sake of self preservation.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 09:35 PM
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Sure, but you avoided the question. Society and others would get tons from men doing any of those things that you listed, but what about him? What does he get for “contributing to the community” and such? The only thing the community would give is the exact thing you are arguing against. You never mentioned anything that benefited the man in question. You didn’t even say something that he could possibly benefit from like “invent something” that also benefited the community. A purpose for the sak…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:33 PM
1

This is the only good thing about red pillers. No, this is the only good thing for you that you get from men being red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:28 PM
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To stop giving a fuck about women period. If he does anything else, he will just be miserable and empty in some form. And in the end he might never even get anything and lose a ton from it. Perhaps even being another suicide statistic after a bad divorce. The juice just isn’t worth the squeeze. He will just have to keep doing more and more until he drops dead. While getting less and less for his sacrifices. To be clear, I did improve myself like crazy like you suggested a. And because I was 6 fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 09:27 PM
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Simple, get financially independent ASAP Get a job now, an internship perhaps and start working your ass off to get a decent job. Until then, you just have to deal with it. You can do it, I was never actually told that myself and was a complete mess at 23 myself in a much worse spot then you even. And if you want to know what to live for, do it for yourself. You might not even know what you want yet, why not start by finding something that you want to do (that is possible to do). Learn a instrum…
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 09:16 PM
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Why would men care about any of that though? All of that is just empty. You want men to find meaning in mastering something, but the point of mastering something is the end goal of it. People do not climb to climb, they climb to get to the top of something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 08:46 PM
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That is exactly the problem. Men are expected to constantly increase there “value” while women do nothing. The experience gap alone ruins relationships. You want him to work out (and he does trades, so that is much harder for him due to how physically straining the job is), dance like monkey to please women (stand out) and spend a ton of money on nice clothes to be above average. You are asking him to max himself to just get allowed in dating period. That is absurd. You are basically saying he n…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 08:42 PM
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Well, simp did reach the mainstream. Although I think it is more that truths are discovered at one extreme ends first then gravitate to the other end. Removing all the vile stuff incels spew and the extremes they go, they do have a point. Women are far more shallow then society says and that there is atleast sometimes not much a man can do to get relationship success. The same is true for the old rapid, loser women who became radical feminists back in the day. Perhaps we are approaching the poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 08:36 PM
5

Incels are people who do not want to accept the truth. They just want to bend reality so it works in there favor. I think most people go through that a bit during a low point. But incels cling to it and make it there entire identity. The incels who do not do that (just accept that they are out of luck, although they will still be sad and bitter at the outcome ofc) are okay. But they are a small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 08:32 PM
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Nothing, good thing they are not incels tough lol. Incel means involuntarily celebrate, trp teachers are atleast getting some success (they are getting more then that, probably far more then you want to ever admit) and mgtow is filled with men who were burned by relationships (usually divorced men). I know that incel is the new retarded (just another random insult like “your momma is fat”), but this is a debate sub. Throwing random insults will just make the persons argument look weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 08:29 PM
1

Apparently not alpha enough though.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 08:24 PM
14

Honk honk
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 07:57 PM
1

So is 11 as hour in some areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 07:56 PM
0

Nagging is emotional abuse. So you are right, it is never acceptable. If a man does it, he can literally be seen as an abuser by everyone even for mild amounts. Ofc, getting mad or frustrated is not nagging (people are imperfect).
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 05:30 PM
2

A Better way to look at is that men are tools. Plastic or silver, a fork is still a fork. Sure you are treated better if you are made silver, but in the end you are only used when needed and put in the drawer (man cave) until the next time you are needed. Money is honestly pretty worthless to men past a certain income (enough to live and save). So the system is designed to make it hard to reach that point and/or give men other reasons to spend (dating and kids).
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 05:28 PM
3

That is silly. We could say minimum wage isn’t a struggle either for people in Africa need to travel several miles through a desert to get some fresh water. They are both awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 05:19 PM
1

Sadly, women think it is a middle school dance because they do not have to grow up like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 05:16 PM
1

Then that is men’s fault for allowing women to be bitchy and still get sexual and relationship success. Bitches are not more attractive, attractive women are just worse personality wise because men do not care. It is the same with women. Want good/real men and less toxic men? Stop fucking toxic men and incentivize men to be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 05:07 PM
2

The hate is aimed at the anti-responsibility and hypocrisy of said women Examples: When they act like all men are bad because they prefer bad men. Many even fight to hurt men in general as a result of this (radical feminists). When they try to pull a 180 later on and hide her past. It is very manipulative and will lead the man to misery if he doesn’t find out her past early on (especially to avoid dead bedrooms).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 05:05 PM
3

This. Also, many hot girls are “bad” because they are attractive enough to get away with it. Just like hot men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 05:00 PM
1

It is because “crazy” girls love bomb. They act what men want to get them, then when she gets the man the act drops. Which is why the sex goes from super hot to nothing. It is just a smart way to trade sex for commitment (which is basically what all relationships are about).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:58 PM
1

Well, people do not change, needs do. After high school, money starts mattering so smart girls start chasing men with success and such. But that is just because they need the money, they would act like they were as a kid (chase alphas for fun) if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:56 PM
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I wish people would admit that atleast a chunk of women do not desire “good” men. But the idea that even a few normal girls could possibly, maybe prefer bad men over good men is seen as an absolute lie. Women just HAVE to be portrayed as perfect goddesses...right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:54 PM
5

If he is hot or not sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:46 PM
1

I do not think you understand, you asked for just one example. It isn’t that it is rare, I just started from the top and posted the first one I found. And I only had to go one or two threads to find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:42 PM
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The thing is that it is used in a intellectually dishonest manipulative way. So while your argument makes complete sense, it isn’t the purpose of the term. “Toxic masculinity” is meant to be a vague term making use of the five “master suppression techniques” to silence those who disagree with them. So what is toxic? Anything that benefits the woman arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:41 PM
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Most people are just animals playing God. Most just act like they went to be good people from time to time and spend the rest of there life drowning in hedonism. This hedonism comes at the cost of the innocent and is the cause of all injustice, misery, evil, etc directly and indirectly. As in order to get two of something, another must lose access to it completely. And this inequality is the underlying cause of all evil. Revenge, wars, genocide, suicide, betrayal, lyign, etc. they all exist only…
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 01:02 PM
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I could understand someone making 50000 or something getting a lot of debt. But 150000? Even if she went all out on cosmetic surgery, that would be 50000 tops and that is only like if she did all of them really. And things like that are not done often enough to accumulate any debt.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 11:09 AM
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Meh, he should have held frame
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 11:04 AM
1

Because that kind of success is impossible in the long run. In history, free love movements are always followed by a strong conservative prude movement for that very reason. Relationships work the “best” when it is a form of prostitution contract (fertility for security and provisions) with the couple forming a “parent and child” kind of connection (in regards to how they love each other). They might piss you off and you wish you had better parents at many points, but you love them just because …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:31 AM
1

Aka all relationships are a form of a sugar relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:24 AM
1

You are asking a “describe why water is wet?” Like question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:19 AM
2

That is a biological function, not a deed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:17 AM
2

It is just not that it’s conditional, it is just really shallow (in general). Even when we think it is not due to brain drugs being released, it is. We like to pretend otherwise, but all relationships atleast start for very shallow reasons. Which is why the divorce rate is so high and the marriage satisfaction rate is so small. People need to have a bunch of shallow traits to qualify, but at that point most if not all for he good partners compatibility wise are out. So it is about finding mr goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:16 AM
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Then why are the most attractive, fit women still getting cheated on? Your point + the reality that top 20% men are spoiled sex/relationship wise. Average men will be more likely to not cheat even if they have options for they do not believe they are owed sex like high n count guys do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 10:12 AM
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Okay, then how about one example straight from the front page. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/lmtctp/cmv_men_dont_care_about_womens_careers_but_class/ And In the front page posts, I can pick out several comments with links to actual data in them. And this is discounting data that is referred to, but not directly linked. The thing about debates is data is not the main course (especially in this area where data is sparse), it is the garnish on the dish to make it look better. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 09:09 PM
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It isn’t wisdom, we just had the lucky opportunity to see what is really going on.
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 07:45 PM
3

Exactly my point, people who are privileged relationship wise need to stop comparing themselves to those who struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 07:16 PM
4

If I remember right, women set the trends for speaking patterns and such (because men chase). So it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 06:38 PM
1

Just one example period? Okay. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/cux0dm/discussion_research_finds_that_women_do_not/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=add_comment There are more, a lot more and many recent ones too. Heck most of the discussions here reference studies that do exist and have been posted before, just repetitively posting them is a waste of time so people do not post them unless someone asks. Even in a comment to your post in this very thread. Someone reference…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 06:32 PM
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Somewhat. Relationships are ultimately a power struggle, a total victory is a massive turn off for it is a sign that one is far better then the other value wise. Obviously, this often isn’t really true, but our animal brains do not really understand this or care to. The somewhat is because men prefer to be the winner in the fight. So it isn’t that men want a chase, they just do not want a complete pushover. Many people grow up believing the secret to get the guy/girl they want is to give the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 06:19 PM
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It is because in our violent past, these men were the “best” men around. Nowadays that isn’t true, but evolution is very, very slow and technology had largely stopped natural selection from happening. We can even see it in other ways in modern times. Just look how we treat “weakness” in men. Men are suppose to fight each other as violently as possible and the winner takes it all. People do not like taking about it for we hate the idea that we are incredibly stupid and flawed animals (just like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 06:16 PM
3

You just generalized everyone to dismiss everyone you disagree with by projecting that they are all generalizers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 06:06 PM
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FDS is a all or nothing thing. Ex: Either you get a job that pays six figures or you stay unemployed. If you are actually only worth 60,000 or 30,000 they think that it better to be unemployed. They are hoping that by holding, they will artificially increase there value to the point that they will all get 100,000k salaries. Which is why they are labeled as entitled like incels are. There problem is that they cannot get perfection and deserve it just because.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 05:55 PM
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You didn’t, but it is true. I can post 5 news articles taking about how EVIL mgtow is because they rant about the awful things they saw and/or experienced women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 05:41 PM
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But but good men like Bill Gates get the girl :(
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 05:39 PM
1

No, the society in the culture does.
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 05:28 PM
-1

Yes and no. It depends on how much he knows and how experienced he is with women. In this case, no (this is a very old post). He is just a victim of blue pill conditioning. If he is still doing this 5 years later though, then he is at fault. It is the whole fool me once, fool me twice situation. First time, it is those who “ticked” him. Second time, it is his fault as he now knows it is a trick.
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 02:43 PM
4

And cosmetic surgery makes it so they can get a decently sexy body if they spend enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 12:10 PM
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This. It is the whole “poor people just need to work hard” bullshit looks edition. Most people, at one point or another, due try to work hard. But most do not get results so they eventually stop and end up with the same results anyway. Most still work because they have to ofc, but status, intelligence and such are the most important things that determine how financially successful you are. Most men, at one point or another do try to to looksmax. But most do not get results even after a year of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 12:09 PM
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Nah, tons of jobs are open now (and since December. They are just shitty jobs and the pay is meh at best. But ofc, many believe they are entitled to comfy good jobs during a national crisis gutting the job market, that is the real problem. I worked shitty factory jobs when I had to. I worked in the scolding heat and freezing cold for 15ish. So did many very successful people at one point. Life is just like that, sometimes shit just happens and you have to dig through it. The real issue is that l…
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 12:01 PM
2

Imagine if a guy said something like that, relatively large amounts of people would talk about how entitled he is lol.
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 11:12 AM
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The issue is that people assume that talking about how awful black culture is means you hate black people for just existing. It isn’t the race, it is the culture. No, perhaps it is the woman incentivizing it.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 11:35 PM
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First they ignore you. Then they mock you. Then they bargain with you. Then they fight you. Then you win. Finally, they act like they were on your side all along. People who feel threatened enough to insult other due to a difference opinion are mostly submitting that you are right (or atleast have a point), but they still want to “win” the disagreement. So they try to attack via other ways.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 05:43 PM
2

And even if it did. A lot of it is based on luck. Ex: Why didn’t she cheat? Perhaps she did and you didn’t catch her or she just never had the opportunity. It never really isn’t “she is the one” it is “she never had a reason to not be the one”
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 04:03 PM
3

So just sex lol
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 03:53 PM
5

Women are just so spoiled it is ridiculous. They feel entitled to sexual pleasure at this point. So they believe cheating, getting gangbanged and such is not only something she deserves, but that she is free of all consequences too.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 03:53 PM
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Well duh. Women do not want to accept the consequences of them pushing us to be a tournament species. In a tournament species, males are “worthless” outside of the monkey dance and mating game as they get nothing from it. Even the ones trying to have “worth” end up just falling behind the curve breeding wise and are eventually bred out. Trying to go from alpha fux to beta bux doesn’t change this and only works at all because pair bonding traditional rules have not fully died out yet due to older…
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 03:49 PM
1

Well, if we could break it easily, the human race would have went extinct long ago.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/02/21 03:37 PM
3

I argued with a white knight on rape once. I showed data that about 30 to 40 percent of rape victims were men. His response? So you are saying a insignificant amount of men are raped lol. Even if you show men are the majority of victims in x, with several studies agreeing with you. They will hamster it away.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/02/21 03:08 PM
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A man who does that, would not be interested in fighting to keep her like the op picture suggests. Perhaps he would even try to help him (even if in a selfish way). This is portraying one of those guys that steals another man’s girl to marry and then get trashed later.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 03:02 PM
7

No, a scam. If marriage contracts were applied to any other industry, the courts would throw the contracts out due to how illegal they are.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 03:00 PM
5

I hate to say this, but women’s entitlement knows no limits. Even if you win a total victory, she is going to keep looking for ways to extract more until she finds a better sucker to mooch from.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 02:59 PM
2

The funny thing is that women are doing porn and such for there benefit. Some women are mistreated, but many are not. And it is women who are currently clamoring for sex work to be legalized. It isn’t that this is about helping women this is about controlling men and trying to artificially inflate sex’s value to get men to give more. Which will not work as they are looking at it wrong. They can easily get simps to give far more to women and society’s just make the opportunity to get with a women…
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 02:53 PM
7

Well, the lie is that it is not that one thing. It is that they lie to men and trick them into thinking the lust we feel for pussy is something else. Some higher calling, purposes true wuv or some shit. That you are with her because she adds some value (when that is just lust tricking you to be desperate for sex for her). One of the most enlightening things I realized is that after having sex everyday with a girl for a month, is that all the feelings I felt was just bullshit. Inventions my mind …
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 02:46 PM
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Meh, it is his fault at that point. Any man who keeps these stupid games post 2019 and pays for it is just getting what he deserves if he is punished for it. Innocent or not. At this point, it is similar to someone intelligent sticking there hand in a fire and complaining when his hand gets burned. He knows it will burn him. Especially since these people are often the same group that created this problem in the first place.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 02:37 PM
1

Nah, bluepilled men are most dangerous when they discover the truth. Emotions hit them like a truck and they lash out in response. Some accept and others go back in denial.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 02:31 PM
1

Nah, we are born simps. When young, the hormones that make us simps are not active yet. So we think logically about women until around 13. Then our mind tries to blind us and makes us simps until we are woken up in some way. Even most alphas are simps, they just have options so the beta patheticness doesn’t show itself until they get fucked over (think Brad Pitt becoming super pathetic once the pussy ran dry for a bit). Those who do not fall for the bs easily do not breed all that often. So we w…
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 02:29 PM
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It is even deeper if you think about it. Do you think the guy with the gun won? No, he is the next person to be shot when the girl gets what she wants from him and moves on to someone or something else. Aka play stupid games, get stupid prizes.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 11:17 AM
6

More complicated then that. It is just an escalation from first wave feminism. Women just keep picking worse and worse men (for that is who they are attracted too naturally), these men make bad fathers or are not father at all. Which results in the next generation of men being weaker and weaker with each generation. Are the bad fathers to blame? No, they are just the players in a stupid game. If they were not shit, some other dude would have been the shit father instead. If most men decided to b…
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 10:48 AM
1

Incel is the new retarded. Just a random insult said by people who do not have a point.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/02/21 02:35 AM
1

Tbf, this is probably his first red pill moment. So the emotions are running super high as his whole reality is coming down. Only someone who didn’t care or someone experienced with red pill truths could hold it together like that. Neither of which would a typical blue pill brainwashed married man like him be.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 02:23 AM
2

The funny thing is that some of them were actually nice, they then saw assholes get the girl and get bitter of constant failure. They put two to two together and assume that women like assholes just because they are assholes. Reality is that it is all a combination of confidence and looks. Ao it isn’t that assholes get more girls, it is just that they are hot enough that they can do whatever they want and girls will still say yes. Confidence is more or less icing on top. And before someone says …
/r/PussyPassDenied17/02/21 07:04 PM
11

Awalt means awalt. Karens always existed, they just have not been called out before as that would be “mean.”
/r/MGTOW17/02/21 02:05 PM
1

Should be a truth, but isn’t. Women are seen as children (even tradcucks see it as that to help women out) to fre them from consequences.
/r/MGTOW17/02/21 11:57 AM
1

I think most men who become complete mental wrecks fit that group. They are either used and abused before they even understand what is going on. Or spend the rest of there lives fighting who they are to live.
/r/MGTOW17/02/21 11:00 AM
1

That is just a bandaid fix. While it is true that killing off large chunks of men will make it “better” women wise for them when it is all said and done. It is ultimately giving candy to women for there bad behavior. She will stop crying...for a day or two.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:32 PM
2

Men are natural simps...now before someone misinterprets this, I am not saying men have to be simps. I am saying that our natural programming is to simp. Those that did not simp there lives away, did not have offspring. Most Men had to be ready to kill innocent people for some leftover pussy to have kids. So it is really, really hard for men to break there instinctual simp tendencies. Most only have it broken by three methods. They get old enough that the simp tendencies significantly fade away …
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:29 PM
5

Meh, sounds like he was abused to the point of having no self respect at all. Many men do not even realize how emotionally they are being abused these days. If a man even did minor nagging to a woman, People would call him abusive.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:21 PM
11

You mean that subreddit where they bully bullied boys who are emotional wrecks for entertainment.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/02/21 10:48 PM
1

Individualist means two things. a person who is independent and self-reliant. an advocate of a social theory favoring freedom of action for individuals over collective or state control. That is it. Mgtow literally fits the second definition. MGTOW is boycotting marriage, relationships and similar ideals because they have become rigged against us in modern society. If you actually believe that the concept of marriage is shit, then you are not MGTOW, you're just an idiot. No, mgtow is not a moveme…
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 07:08 PM
9

Not true. Tons of men actually do respect women at first for that is just how they were raised (usually inexperienced men). It is the men who want to use women for sex that women love as they do not care about her, so it is easy to not care about her.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 12:53 PM
8

And yet she let it slip out
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 12:47 PM
4

Conservativism needs tradcuck bullshit to exist. Nobody is going to work there asses off like conservatives want without a mythical carrot on the stick to work towards. Money and careers are to empty to fill that void. But marriage and children? You can easily trick a man into thinking there emotional lust is actually some higher calling from god or some shit. Those who catch on? Just say that is lust no “love.”
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 12:46 PM
3

I got -50 downvotes for saying marriage sucks in this thread lol This place is filled with tradcucks who will only accept the truth sugar coated. “But but feminism ruined women”
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 12:39 PM
1

People, not women. Sadly, most modern men are stupidly pathetic in the modern world.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:25 AM
3

The best way to avoid a metoo and such is to act like a pathetic simp to her and the people that are her friends. Women accuse men they think they haven’t conquered, not who they think they already have.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:24 AM
1

The girl I literally destroyed myself over argued with everyone when I was young. When I felt that emotional lust feeling for her, I didn’t see the arguing or any of that shit. So please do not think that x girl will not argue with you 24/7, more then likely she will and you are just blind to said signs for the sake of your body getting the babies it wants.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:20 AM
3

You are being very manipulative with the whole “I am not blaming and shaming you, just blaming and shaming you” bullshit covered in Disney bullshit.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:14 AM
3

Please ignore the tradcuck troll It is not your responsibility to do the bullshit he says for pussy and you will just end up fucked over again and again in the hopes of some unicorn that doesn’t exist. You need to learn that you lust for sex/relationships is just a very bad addiction like all the other possible ones. The only thing to do is understand what our ancestors did to fight lust, just a matter of having a strong will and discipline. Such men were seen as wise because they avoided the pu…
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:12 AM
9

Which is why you leave ASAP and run to China or something.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:05 AM
1

For the kids? Yes. But that emotional resentment is not going to stay locked inside, even if she tries, it will make her miserable and she will make her husband miserable return. Many boomers and before saw this nagging and didn’t really under it. They just suffered and hated themselves with time. Even if he is the perfect man, she is never going to be happy with him. She will either cheat, divorce or argue with him constantly.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 11:04 AM
3

Most Christians are disobeying God and hope that ignoring the parts they are failing makes them false. The Bible mentions that nagging is really bad directly three different times. Just repeat one after another to another Christian as they object. It is pretty funny. Then Again, most Christians have already broken the most important rules that Jesus set anyway...those about servitude, giving and sacrifice. Even all the super popular or good Christians just break these rules. Especially when they…
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 10:51 AM
5

The right? Chicks did psychopaths, even the less attractive ones have better then average live lives. Psychopaths just are “natural” alphas as there manipulation makes them always look on top even when they are losers.
/r/MGTOW16/02/21 10:36 AM
15

That is how things work. People push as far as they can go and will only stop when “punished.” Men just keep rewarding women even as they degrade themselves and such, so they push more and more.
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 04:51 PM
1

This right here is the truth. Men, as individuals, should just avoid marriage and other bullshit for themselves. Or they will just end up used and abused. Which is why the elite made a grave mistake with feminism. It is giving men more time to think and understand the reality of marriage before they can get trapped in it. Smart leaders push for men to get married ASAP, before they even know how money even works.
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 04:14 PM
5

Do not call him a loser. Technically, he is one...but that isn’t the point. The point is why he became a loser (blue pill programming from birth). We should not hate on young men (25-27 or younger depending on what he has previously experienced) as they just do not know any better. Red pill stuff sounds stupid when you have no experience (it sounds like bigotry compared to what we were raised to believe in the surface). They are only stupid and losers when they keep repeating the same mistakes. …
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 04:10 PM
3

Then when men do not do that, then women get pissed as they treat them like shit.
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 04:02 PM
62

No, don’t date women period. For women, dating is a transaction. It is working for an employer that you are paying.
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 03:59 PM
3

The wall doesn’t mean that women become unfuckable incels when they hit 30, it means that they have to be realistic. Since most women hate that and it is a good way to feel as if you got revenge, men like mocking women for it.
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 11:20 AM
22

Pride is man’s biggest enemy really. What!? Old man saying that “life is suffering them we die,” what a loser. I will show him, my girl is different, I am different...even though he thought the same when young
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 11:17 AM
1

“Men going there own way” The idea that men should put themselves first over all else for it is there own life and they need to live it in a way that is best for them. Basically a form of strike. Either make relationships worth it or we are out. It might not be possible to even make it worth it though. Most men usually only start to understand that they should live for themselves after they have been exploited and used many times. Which results in anger and pain, naysayers exploit this by saying…
/r/PussyPassDenied15/02/21 12:12 AM
6

Mgtow literally means “men going there own way.” You literally have to be a “fucking Individualist” to be mgtow in the first place as a result as the whole motto is men doing what is best for them. The idea that men should not get married because marriage is a shit deal is not an fds idea. It is a mgtow idea. You are a tradcuck troll.
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 12:06 AM
24

This is why marriage should end. Think of it this way, would it be better if she was forced to stay with him? She is still going to resent him and it will eventually come out and destroy the relationship anyways. Marriage makes men pay for this though.
/r/MGTOW15/02/21 12:02 AM
14

Sadly, not very many places. Hobby forums and gathering friends who do not care about politics are your best bet
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 11:31 PM
11

It isn’t low value men though (what men see as low value). Women are just bitching for they have to do shit period. What!? I have to be emotionally available to my man every once in a while? Many Women want everything without giving nothing just because they are so spoiled.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 10:51 PM
2

More like civil war. One man talking shit and hogging the woman doesn’t really stand a chance against 60% of men even if they are much weaker and stupid. And the reality is that most of the lower tier men are close to the alpha in value. So they could easily just kill the leader in there sleep. Trying to buy the protection of the other top 20% or so of men helps...but not by much as numbers are all that matter in wars. Even back in the day, a good rock to the back would bridge the gap between st…
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 08:53 PM
1

It is always about getting shit from men.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 08:42 PM
5

Yep, many women actually are so vocal about being fine single to cope with the fact that they cannot get a good man. Many girls get incredibly desperate in the mid to late 30s because there value is dropping fast. It is refreshing to those who struggled when young, but it is very pitiful once you get past the revenge or never really were hurt at the hands of a woman.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 08:41 PM
3

Elon musk is the figure head, look at his brother. He is the real mind behind it all.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 07:31 PM
42

I never understood these simps, people are not making the kind of money for this to be chump change all the time. Most of them are sacrificing months of pay so the woman can brag for a day. Usually, it is something worthless they waste thousands on too. Not even something like a car, exercise equipment, painting supplies and such. Just a overpriced restaurant, flowers, rocks, sexy lingerie that is worn for a very short period of time, etc. Then they moan that they are poor and need more money.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 07:30 PM
2

A lot of “mgtow by circumstance” types are here, they want to be the slaves that is mentioned in “manipulated man” but cannot due to the current environment. They want to get married ASAP, but to a “good”life women Basically, glorified incels and/or vocals (tradcucks) coping by convincing themselves that they are mgtow because they cannot get the virgin unicorn they want as feminism (which is really just women asking to be free) is “destroying” women (notice that they are supporting women’s bad …
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 07:27 PM
42

Most women too. Oh wait, you random reader, you didn’t know? Throughout history women worked too. Different jobs but work none the less It literally took entire weekends to do the laundry. Ans cooking? Try making bread from raw wheat by hand or churning butter by hand, everyone worked there asses off in history and were oppressed.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 07:16 PM
1

That is speculation. True, but my underlining point remains. What is his side, why did he refuse to initiate? There is a reason why and her refusal to communicate it means she is being entitled. Or perhaps she is looking for an excuse.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 06:32 PM
1

People need to understand that women didn’t change, we were just freed from there bs and women were freed to do as they wish in public. What you see is what women have always been doing. Even under threat of death, women were still slutting it up, still cucking you, etc. Tradcucks will fall like all other cucks do, in matter of fact the whole reason we are in this mess in the first place is because tradcucks keep trying to “save” women for the sake of there dick, or as tradcucks like to excuse i…
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 06:31 PM
0

But in summary, monogamy is being destroyed from all sides in the western world. Because everyone hates it and wants it dead. Marriage is good for society, bad for the individuals in question. The best case scenario is for everyone to get married but you, which sounds stupid, but it is true. If you want to be a slave to be seen as “dignified and civilized” go for it you foolish tradcuck. You can die happy, I will live happy.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 06:26 PM
4

You should talk to old men. Some you might have to get drunk, but every old man I know (even historically) wished they just stayed single if they could up do it again. The happiest couple I know (my uncle) grabbed me by the arms one day and warned me to never get married. The happiest, married over 60 years. No cheating, no drama. She was a virgin for him and he had 9 kids with her. Marriage is about men being used for the sake of others for various reasons. There was never the Disney fantasy of…
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 06:22 PM
5

Marriage was always a trap that is about maximizing exploitation of men’s labor and creating as many future useful slaves as possible. Think about it, who were the ones that didn’t follow the marriage system? The ones in charge. At best they had a public wife and slept around on the side while laughing themselves to the bank on work of men who actually got married and worked for there family. People need to learn that marriage was never for men and never will be. Don’t like it? Too bad. Most of …
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 06:18 PM
13

Simple to understand. Sex is to make babies not for the man. So she is only suppose to love and sleep with you at the start until either she gets a baby or her body thinks you are infertile and she needs to get someone else to breed with her. So on the cc she will sleep with lots of men as they can impregnate her. But for the one she loves (women’s love is about taking) she will only want sex for babies and if her body feels she needs to give it to keep the man (reason why dread game, abundance …
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 06:14 PM
2

Look up what happens with militaries towards the end of empires, basically the leaders are trapped into keeping the military happy or being overthrown. Which leads to the military getting bigger and the “emperor runs out of clothes” give them and they take over the country. Usually they get a way with it by attacking the leader and using another group as a scapegoat. Killing people’s trust in the government and making it looked justified until it is too late for the people go understand what is …
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 06:08 PM
2

With that being said, I don't believe in coincidences. Never have, never will. You are looking at it wrong. The “elites” were not planning all this stuff out twenty years ago, they are just trying to exploit people as best they can for the situation. No could have predicted how fast modern technology as shifted like that. Basically they do this: they see COVID, they see a chance to get more control and act upon it. They see that people are struggling, the left uses that to get votes by promising…
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 06:03 PM
1

Thus is how women justify getting what they selfishly want and cover it up. People see these “cannot win” Situations and misunderstand them. Billy bob is not unattractive because he is “too nice, unconfident, etc.” He is just unattractive for he isn’t rich, high status enough, etc. So if he started being more confident and such, she would then say that he is “arrogant, creepy, etc.” Get it, it is just a hamster justification.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 12:18 PM
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Marriage and kids both suck really. I actually do not blame her here. No before you get pissed at me and say “what!? She is hurting him,” you are right, but you are missing my point. Marriage is just unhealthy and goes against what we are. Marriage is slavery to both parties and just shouldn’t happen...and men shouldn’t pay for the relationship inevitably ending. Marriage is just a way to exploit people for money. It isn’t even about the kids anymore, the kids parents are the government if anyon…
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 12:08 PM
1

Reality
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 10:18 AM
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What Bullshit. Men are suiciding in far larger numbers, even if they went “down” for 12 strait years it doesn’t change that fact. God I hate humanity. If that amount of male suicides increased for 11 years, they would not care.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 10:14 AM
1

Buy some dogecoin, I could see it reaching a dollar or two in a few years time.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 08:52 PM
2

There was an old, now gone article that implied your first point in a different way. Men can only have two things, a good relationship or live n a prosperous time. Why? Because women and most men only care about men when they need them. Which makes it so men get worse and worse deals from people in good times as they get more and more arrogant from being free of retaliation.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 08:49 PM
1

Wish I good be religious myself (I just cannot believe that a all powerful loving god could be so imperfect and weak as he is portrayed).
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 08:45 PM
14

Nope, he isn’t. He already did a lot of stuff for her. She just feels entitled to more. There is a reason he is not initiating...perhaps it is even because of what you hinted at. Tell me, what did she give him for Valentine’s Day? She doesn’t even give him affection does she? And perhaps she even stopped taking care of her body? Perhaps he is even just tired of initiating. So no, the man isn’t in the wrong. She is just entitled.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 08:42 PM
3

Well, the current situation is based on lies and manipulation to get “loser” men to pay for this shit after women are done with there fun. If loser men figure the truth out in large numbers, they would either be forced to give them a better deal or just end up with sub par results from these men. It is the equivalent of a shitty employer banking on employees being ignorant. He hates his workers as they will not work for free and some try to get paid more after they discover what the dude next do…
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 08:11 PM
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I am disappointed, where are all the jokes making fun of the hypocrisy of the situation? “He doesn’t owe you sex” “You are not entitled to sex.” Etc etc.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 08:00 PM
24

There is a hidden lesson in forest gump. Jenny is portrayed as awful for the opposite of what you think. Forest Gump is a clever mockery of real men.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 07:02 PM
11

Meanwhile shit ton of men die never having a single girl interested in them at all period.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 04:33 PM
5

When a man does that, he is a misogynistic monster lol.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 04:31 PM
11

Bullshit. Effort does matter, but the idea that it is 100% a persons fault...even 50% is bullshit. Modern life is about being in the know of how to succeed, if you do not know how to succeed it all comes down to luck. It is why good male role models in families are important. They teach how to succeed from there own person experiences, so each generation was a little more successful then the last. Nobody that teaches a man, means he just has to throw a egg until one sticks. And if he is born wit…
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 04:17 PM
9

For the “sake” of the species, men are disgusted by what is “artificial” to make sure men breed and breed with women with the “best” genes. Despite the fact that sex dolls are a lot better then they use to be, men can instinctively tell they are artificial and so the body treats it like maturbating over sexy (we release different chemicals for each to prevent men from just avoiding to breed). In order for sex dolls to be better then things like porn, they need to have realistic skin and such (ex…
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 03:23 PM
2

So no to forget that women combine all these men’s good traits and ignore the bad traits. So if one man was rich and the other hot, her new man must be rich and hot to have her actually love him instead of “settle” for him.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 01:20 PM
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Nah, it means all women are women and therefore have the instincts that women do. All humans have hands, some bigger, smaller, wider, longer, differing colors and some even had there hands chopped off. Our instincts are the same. Some women will be quick to monkey branch, some will be too afraid to even try and give in, some never have the option, some suffered enough trauma that it was “cut off” from there instincts, etc. But all women have these same instincts. And the reason that most women d…
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 01:18 PM
2

Would you agree with the statement “All humans have hands?” Yes, you could technically argue that some people are born without hands, but would you change everything taught about human anatomy? No, only an idiot would do that. Awalt is the same. All women are hypergamous. Some have a stronger instinct for it, some it is barely there, some lost it due to trauma. But all women are hypergamous.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 01:14 PM
2

He doesn’t.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 11:30 AM
4

There was no mention of him wanting her romantically at all. Perhaps he did hope that would work out, but your entire argument is bollcuks. But more then likely, he just wanted to see his childhood friend again and is angry that she did something that is against his core beliefs.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 11:30 AM
1

That is because many of the people who think they are trans are not trans, they are just insecure with who they are and think they would love themselves if they were the other gender. But because it is so easy to start or transition, many do it while young and before they figure out the real issue. So after they transition and still have the same insecurity and self-loathing, they break as they were not helped right. I bet some of them are unlucky and were born in the “wrong body” though. If som…
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 11:27 AM
1

It depends when she did it. If she was an adult, that is fine. If she was a child, then it is bad as she very well could be one of the many cases where she was too young to make that choice. And he isn’t wrong to be disgusted either. This is probably something the goes against his believes and values at the very core of who he is. They just went different ways.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 11:21 AM
3

He, like most politicians are sellouts for money.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 01:05 AM
1

Tbf, most male songs are not any better (most men are simps). Ofc every once in a while some amazing dude comes along, but that kind of man is stupidly rare and it is even more rare for that guy to even get a shot to make a song at all.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 01:03 AM
1

Chase? More like accidentally trip and have her face land right on her crotch.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 01:01 AM
1

You said it yourself, they SEEMED smart and ambitious. You have to understand something about people, most are fake and put on there best face as much as possible. Everyone has an amazing life and relationship in public, but the satisfaction rate of marriage in private is abysmal (sub 15% last time I looked). Yet everyone has happy and amazing relationships...until they get divorced and you scratch your head as to why. But but, they were so happy all the time. Also, Remember how good of a person…
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 12:58 AM
10

I was playing smash and having innocent fun with my friends lol.
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 12:50 AM
5

It has been (along with other Bible quotes). It is just something that has already been seen by a lot of posters (like the mouse utopia experiment).
/r/MGTOW12/02/21 01:40 PM
5

Sometimes, you just got to give up arguing with several blue pillers here. They will never stop responding and rarely even read the post. They just want to win, to be right. So they never even bother to listen at all. They just keep responding until you get bored and then they act like they “won” by getting the final say in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:23 AM
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You do not even know how men here act, all you know is what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/21 11:18 AM
0

But will she make him happy in return? And is it worth it for him to “put effort” into women like this. Men who have self respect will always say no to these questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 08:12 PM
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No, not yet. The left and right currently have the same end goal, but different methods and they are fighting over who should get the power.
/r/PussyPassDenied11/02/21 06:46 PM
2

To add, the fact that they are so privileged and have so many options means that they are less likely to be good relationship material lol.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/21 06:28 PM
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The fact that we are not giving them what they want at our expense.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/21 06:19 PM
1

Men are allowed to say no and mean it as a final answer. Not true, men just can say it for they do not care if they are allowed to or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 05:51 PM
2

Byzantines is an interesting choice as an example. If we follow the same path as them, both the right and left political parties would unite and fight the people towards the end.
/r/PussyPassDenied11/02/21 05:32 PM
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lol at him making anything. It doesn’t matter what Chad makes
/r/MGTOW11/02/21 04:45 PM
3

Nah, not the end. Everything has a lifecycle, this is just towards the end of our culture’s lifecycle. Something bad will happen and we will start at the beginning again.
/r/PussyPassDenied11/02/21 03:39 PM
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If the majority of men are chasing 7s and up, then men having a more "realistic view" of beauty is irrelevant because guys dont have a realistic approach on dating/sex. BS, you are twisting that data in a dishonest way. They still 60% of the messages and over 80% OF ALL MEN have had sex. So what's the problem? Now you are just lying. Trying to falsely increase these numbers just makes you look silly. Especially since you know it isn’t “over 80% OF ALL MEN” as you yourself have repeatedly said it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:44 PM
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Tbf, the second quote you responded to is true. Women do change post children as the focus is now on the children over the man. It is also when a lot of women switch from alpha fux to beta bux. Although this isn’t a dual mating strategy, this is just men either getting what they couldn’t when younger (sex with hot girls using the wealth they accumulated), relationship falling apart or not what it use to be so they go elsewhere to get the romance that is now missing in the marriage or dark triad …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:29 PM
1

I think you misread my post
/r/MGTOW11/02/21 02:20 PM
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And yet the average looking women, the 5, which up 20% of the female population only got 15% of messages. The messaging behaviors of men is exactly when men here accuse women of doing: The majority chasing the hot girls and then going to less hot and medicore girls when Stacy is clearly out their league. Uh, that is close to the amount of messages they should be getting. You are trying to use a 5% difference between what average women get ca should get to invalidate the 80% below average statist…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 02:18 PM
5

Tbf, he is right that men still dominate stem. College is worthless without stem (besides the expensive “college experience” ofc).
/r/MGTOW11/02/21 02:12 PM
4

It is also really good for people suffering from depression. The lunacy is the result of people refusing to take responsibility and victim complexes, that is about it (besides some rare cases). So men hav ego be fault for x, punished for x, etc
/r/MGTOW11/02/21 02:06 PM
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Because what women believe is a high value man is bullshit and women do not want to have agnecy as then they would need to take responsibility. The end
/r/MGTOW11/02/21 12:08 PM
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She is lying and distorting then data. The okcupid said that men reached as high as they can in hopes off getting lucky, but were fine messaging there equal if they didn’t. She is trying to misinterpret this as men thinking they are worth more then they are, but it is really just a common sense strategy. Always punch higher just in case you get lucky, but be open with what you actually “deserve.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 10:52 AM
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Yep. Men are never respected for no reason (aka just being men). Which results in a lot of men being respected for they go out and earn it. Something women do not see because of privilege. Men have to work there asses off to get a chance at a respected job, while requirements are often lowered for women so they can meet gender quotas. So even if the woman is better, it is initially assumed she is only there because she is a women and from prior experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 10:44 AM
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Yeah, this thread just screams women demanding undeserved respect thinking all men get respected like the ceo of some company. When in reality most men do not get the respect women want either. They just do not count. Respect is earned, not bought by titles, status, degrees, etc. And because of things like affirmative action being an indication that women are inferior to men as they need help to catch up. It is hard for women to earn respect as people will wonder if they were hired because they …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 10:40 AM
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