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Bro , believe me no " manosphere " is silencing you Of course not, I've been dealing with manosphere doofuses for quite awhile. 😂😂😂 We feel sorry for you Oh no, virgin misogynists pity me, my one weakness!!!! 😂😂😂 You thing men hate you cause you're married . Oh goodness no. I thing[sic] men here hate me because I'm a man dispelling their bullshit and they can't use their usual excuse of "women are liars," so they have to fall back to a new line of crap. You've chosen, "you're married so therefor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:55 AM
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Sure. There's also "inexcusably ignorant."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:29 AM
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I think the difference between expectation and entitlement is rather fine, but rather than derail the discussion to allow you to further avoid answering the question (as the rest of your comment is trying to do), I'm happy to change it to "expectation."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:24 AM
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As did I, and you stubbornly refuse to give a direct answer because you already know this "policy" is exactly as flawed as I said it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:15 AM
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Yea you're obviously married😂😂😂, the way you think is litteraly what married modern men think Hey yet another thing that supposedly explains why I think the way I do. 😂😂😂 Red pillers all have a different explanation because it is incomprehensible to them that any man might disagree with their bullshit 😂😂😂 so they have to invent any reason they can to silence him 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 12:07 AM
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Avoid ever giving a specific answer so you can always run away when your argument is cornered.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:49 PM
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Did you notice how you went from "is" to "prefers?"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:48 PM
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It's not hard to understand at all, I'm just getting explicitly on record what the expectation is because there is nothing red pillers love more than backpedaling while yelling "I never said those exact words so it doesn't count!" He is setting a boundary for himself Uh, no, he's setting an expectation for someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:35 PM
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I didn't say you were going to chain her to the wall, I said you have the expectation that she should do sexual acts for you simply because she had done it with previous boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:31 PM
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Yes, so he expects her to be "consistent" in doing anal and threesomes simply because she had done them before.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:24 PM
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But you have no problem thinking she should do anal and threesomes simply because she did it with a previous boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:15 PM
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Sure, I can explain that, but first I'm asking why they would feel entitled to those acts simply because a woman had done them with an ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:58 PM
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History.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:55 PM
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Wait, I'm asking why they feel entitled to immediate sex, threesomes, and/or anal simply because they have done it for an ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:55 PM
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Because I've discussed this "policy" with other dudes and while they are happy to demand things like immediate sex, threesomes, or anal as long as she has done it for an ex, that policy suddenly vanishes when it's something they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:46 PM
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But it's a policy I've been more strict about as I've grown more secure with myself. Sure, it's still immature and insecure though. And I 100% guarantee you very selectively apply this policy, despite the fact you claim it is strict.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:35 PM
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Yeah, so it's the way red pillers use it and it's a meaningless term used to villainize women regardless of who they date. A woman can be above her boyfriend in 9 out of 10 categories, but if her boyfriend is above her in the 10th, she will be declared hypergamous. It has even been argued that a woman simply dating a man who is taller than her makes her hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:34 PM
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No, I don't care what they did with exes. I know the things I want from a relationship and whether they did those things with exes is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:31 PM
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Hypergamy as red pillers use the term? No, it's just an excuse to villainize women no matter who they date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:29 PM
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It's not, red pillers just want to apply this "rule" to the things they like and ignore it for things they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:05 PM
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Lol ok bud
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:01 PM
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dont know what world you live in, but from my own exes and the women in my life have all attested to this, All the women in your life have attested that how attractive they find a guy is the determiner in how quickly they fuck somebody? Yeah I'm gonna call bullshit on that. Women are 100% more selective in chosing who to sleep with, because they have to be emotionally invested, even if they are looking for fun. I was horny and he was there I was drunk in a bar in Mexico and he was from my hometo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:55 PM
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Swing and a miss bro, I'm married :) You think I need to dunk on red pillers for sex? Lol, nah, this is just for fun and also because they're an embarrassment to my gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:45 PM
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Well, obviously, that would make most guys feel like they aren't desired. Not really? I don't demand something from partners just because they've done it before. That's super immature and insecure behavior, just like I wouldn't want women demanding things from me just because I've done it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:43 PM
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I didn't dispute the feel comfortable with him and harping on it doesn't refute anything I said. Like I said, if you actually bother to talk to women, you will discover all sorts of reasons they've slept with a guy that have nothing to do with how attracted they are. Women aren't even shy talking about it, but red pillers act like this is some sort of arcane knowledge that they alone possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:21 PM
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Yes, as we all know, every woman blows a dude in the bathroom for coke.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:16 PM
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im part of the old 2010 rp generation. Then I know you have nothing but the highest ethics in game journalism. And no, I'm not going to share my sexual history with you beyond the fact it is varied and satisfactory.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:15 PM
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What do you think sexual dynamics are It's an umbrella term for the vast and complex reasons of who, how, and why people have sex with each other. women dont engage in sex unless they're attracted to a man, Not only is that not true, you're unbelievably naive if you think the sole predictor of how quickly a woman has sex with someone is how attracted she is to him. How is that dudes can understand that men will have sex with women they aren't attracted to, can have sex with women they don't even…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:03 PM
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Hahahaha like you would believe any answer that wasn't 1 or 0. I can certainly tell you I have far more experience than the average red piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:08 PM
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But what if you settled for someone because you liked their other qualities, just they weren't quite as affectionate as you would like, but you chalked it up to "well, that's just the way she is" but then you saw the video and it was a completely different side of her that ahe had never shown you? Nah, don't care. If she's affectionate enough for me, I don't care what she did with exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:31 PM
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You haven't shared an experience and your feelings are absurd. Attraction determines how quickly she sleeps with a man. If you have a child-like understanding of sexual dynamics, sure. If you actually grow up, you will learn that there are many factors contributing to how quickly someone sleeps with a person. Nothing insecure about that, its literally a fact. Stating something is a fact doesn't make it a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:25 PM
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https://www.gov.uk/student-finance/new-fulltime-students Doesn't say anything about gender here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:22 PM
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That's not unfair or uncommon. I've had plenty of split dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:22 PM
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I like affection and I want that from a partner regardless of whether they did it with their ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:20 PM
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You must be using a different definition of maintenance than I'm used to because that doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:19 PM
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Affirmative action is not an "anti male agenda" and being against affirmative action is explicitly "pro white men." That's why affirmative action exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:18 PM
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it rarely is about looks. That is total horse shit. It is entirely about looks, that's why they're called a "trophy," because you put it on the shelf so everyone can look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:16 PM
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It's not valid at all and believing that you're second string because she doesn't fuck you right away is immature and insecure as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:14 PM
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Well I'm a guy, but I know what I want from a relationship regardless of whether they did it in a previous relationship. Demanding that you should get the same treatment because some other dude did is childish as fuck and, let's be clear, it only applies to the parts red pillers like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:14 PM
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You referenced two separate but related phenomena No, I didn't. I referenced one very well understood topic of nonverbal communication that every human being engages in every day of their lives, and one completely invented topic where red pillers delude themselves into believing they have clairvoyance into a woman's sexual history because they read a post about evolutionary psychology once.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:07 PM
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No, I don't want to date whores at all I don't think you have to worry about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:47 PM
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But that's exactly what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:45 PM
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The classic "if she has ever done it for another guy, she has to do it for me" red pill bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:40 PM
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A red piller can't address the argument so deflects with insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:37 PM
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Oh yeah, you'll be fielding deflections for hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:36 PM
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I did read your post, how come you keep deflecting from comments that point out the central flaw of your premise?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:33 PM
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I seriously don't know how long it's gonna take for red pillers to have any grasp of the nuances and subtleties of attraction. Then again, if they could do that, they probably wouldn't be red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:32 PM
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Most of the time women will tell you with subtle hints "Women need to be more explicit when they're interested in guys! Also you can secretly tell the fastest she's ever slept with a guy."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:30 PM
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Oh there's way more. Men have no standards and will fuck anything / Men have tons of standards but can't say any of them because of feminism Women should have as few partners as possible / women should sleep with any man she dates as fast as possible Casual sex is terrible, ruins you for future partners, and increases the probability that you'll cheat / men aren't getting enough casual sex Women's standards are too high / If a woman has a bad partner, it's her fault for not having better standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:16 PM
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Great, then you have to date multiple people to figure it out. So either you want low body counts or you want women sleeping with dates as fast as possible. Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:09 PM
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Please, share this magical talent that tells who the right person is on the first try.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:06 PM
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That's true of pretty much everything red pillers say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:00 PM
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Of course. No matter what women do, it's wrong. Just like women can't have too many partners yet should sleep with any man they date as fast as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:58 PM
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Hey how come you keep ignoring that people are pointing out that a 50/50 relationship is not meant to be exactly 50/50 in all things at all times?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:55 PM
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Damn, are you still going on about? Just go sign up for Grindr dude. But go on, tell my how they are my fantasies Who do you think came up with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:03 PM
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No. Was your comment supposed to be clever?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:21 AM
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I didn't insinuate anything. I simply stated a fact that you brought up the fantasies of getting beat up by straight men and of being fucked in the ass. That is all on your plate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:20 AM
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You don't see them. Wander around any Walmart and you'll see people of every shape, size, and income with partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:18 AM
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I certainly know it's not from the "anti male agenda."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 11:16 AM
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No Time To Die made $775 million dollars and has an 83% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. What exactly do you think is in decline?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:52 AM
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Alrighty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:47 AM
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Neither have I, yet, of the two of us, you're the one who is fantasizing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:40 AM
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Bud, I'm fine where I'm at. You're the one who was very focused on being beat up by straight dudes and being fucked in the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:10 AM
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Just thought it is relevant to know if you are dating a man or a woman. Ohhhhhh, you're the homophobic/biphobic bigot from yesterday who thinks bisexuals hate straight men because of your weird fantasies. Nah, if I was talking about dating a man, I would have said "boyfriend." But what a sad attempt to try and use my sexuality against me. Like did you really think that would fluster me? Or are you just trying to make sure all the other bigots know I'm bi?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:23 AM
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How does paying for a first date prove a ledger exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:31 AM
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No such thing as "male girlfriends." But nice try.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:29 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:51 AM
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The fact that red pillers routinely claim that women are only attracted to chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:50 AM
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Some women expect the men to pay on first dates, that's quite different from women keeping a ledger of who pays for what. I agree, there are many delusional people on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:49 AM
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They don't, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:43 AM
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I'm not a red piller, but it's not exactly deep lore that red pill is about trying to understand women and how to seduce them I didn't say it was, I said they don't actually understand what women are attracted to and their defense against criticism of the things that are said is always "well that's not TRUE red pill."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:42 AM
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Probably 50/50. It wasn't really a thing we kept ledgers of.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:38 AM
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Yeah, every single red piller claims that every one else is wrong and they follow the One True Red Pill™
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 12:51 AM
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That's the purpose of the sub and current topic of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 12:25 AM
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Red pillers don't actually understand what women find attractive. The only thing they've properly identified is height but even that they greatly overvalue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 11:52 PM
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3 of my last 4 girlfriends, including the woman who is now my wife, out earned me and all four had more education than me. Like virtually everything that is brought up on this sub, it's not the big deal that dudes here make it out to be. Also the anti-male agendas in higher education that push men away This isn't a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 11:37 PM
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Yeah, that's pretty gross too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 11:16 PM
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No they don’t. Yes they do. They openly rant about how disgusted they are about women who do porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 11:11 PM
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You seek out women fighting at waffle house? Like you'll drive around and find a waffle house with women fighting in it? You have favorite waffle houses to watch fights in? Also, nobody wants to see a relative in porn, that's clearly not what OP is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 11:09 PM
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chad to her So they have to be attractive to her. The only thing red pill likes as more than making shit up is taking common sense and dressing it up like they came up with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 10:53 PM
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More deflections, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 10:51 PM
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Correct, if you're being her friend with the sole intent of trying to date her later on, that's manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:16 PM
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Why are men still shamed nowadays by women for watching porn (in a relationship or even single) but its okay for a woman or someone they know to start up an OF because its female empowerment Oh, that's because the world you described is made up. Dudes watching porn is so common it's basically considered universal while women doing Only Fans is still heavily stigmatized. This is really just a post to complain about women doing Only Fans while also making it seem like women are the hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:11 PM
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I upped it to 5. Care to answer the question now? Or just more deflections?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:07 PM
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"Game" women by pretending to be chad. Because men have to become chads, per red pill. Even though, as we've already established, women are not exclusively attracted to chads (and now I'll really blow your mind: many women aren't attracted to chads at all).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:07 PM
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If women don't want just Chads, then why are red pillers always insisting that men have to become chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 07:39 PM
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Sorry, you're still dodging my question. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 07:38 PM
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Let's say right in the middle of sex for 5 seconds I don't give consent but before and after those 5 seconds there's consent, do you still think its rapey? If they keep going after you say to stop, yes, that's rapey, even if it's only for five seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 07:38 PM
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Okay just to start, you understand that the joke here is that he's making an obviously sleazy and gross comparison, right? Secondly, and it's depressing this needs to be said, you don't negotiate partners into consenting for sex. If they want to, they'll say yes. Saying no and continuing to make out with you is not them secretly saying "I just need more convincing."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 06:46 PM
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I mean it doesn't, but even getting many women still doesn't make it a formula.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 06:39 PM
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And yet millions of men are successful without those things. Apparently that's not the formula.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 06:36 PM
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There are patterns, patterns people study and apply. Millions of people study and work in finance. And the vast majority of them can't beat the market. I'm perfectly happy with this metaphor. If it's so bad, then please share the formula that guarantees wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 06:35 PM
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Who said it doesn't count? Are you saying a person who eats 5 Twinkies in their life can never be said to have high standards for food?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 05:59 PM
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Yep, and there are patterns to financial markets, yet there is still no formula for success otherwise everyone would be rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 05:58 PM
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So then women don't just want Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 05:32 PM
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Lol why won't you answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 05:21 PM
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Many women end up dating guys who were friends first. You're just making an unsupported claim that women would date more than they already do if they cared about personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 04:45 PM
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Sexual attraction as an undefinable mixture of qualities that is constantly shifting and varies wildly from person to person. There is no guaranteed formula for sexual attraction because if there was, everyone would do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 04:44 PM
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Hold up, do you believe a person's standards are dictated entirely by the lowest they are at any point? Like a person can't say they have high standards for food if they've eaten one Twinkie in their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 04:38 PM
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And don't forget, when she finds out about the cheating, she's going to divorce him anyway and then he's going to post on Reddit with a shocked Pikachu face.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:52 PM
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Nah, blue pillers don't say that, red pillers just need to pretend they do. It's better known as a strawman argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:44 PM
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The Homosexual Sex Prison Police State Ohhh you're just homophobic, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:40 PM
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https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Danth%27s_Law#:~:text=Danth's%20Law,has%20probably%20very%20badly%20lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:38 PM
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And yet average men get laid, get dates, and get relationships all the time, yet are not chads. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:21 PM
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Yes, everyone knows that the only two men in the world are 6'4" jacked, rich, handsome dudes with huge dicks and fat short men with a micropenis who works at McDonald's.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:19 PM
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Where do red pillers acquire this super power to see everyone's sexual history at all times? The redpill says a man who has looks or physical attributes (handsome, tall, ripped, deep voice, hung, well dressed, athletic), is rich, popular and charismatic is going to be attractive to women, and every one of those traits you take away, the less desirable he will be. Oh my no. Red pill says you must be hot, tall, rich, and high status. They are quite clear that women care very little for personality…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:18 PM
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But they haven't. That's why they don't understand why they are supposedly 5s yet can't get women who are 5s. Because they're not 5s.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 07:19 AM
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The point is red pillers don't have a clue what women find attractive, which is interesting since that's supposedly their whole thing
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 06:33 AM
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I like to debate, but you are really creeping me out. The things you say, the way you interpreted things, the weird connections you make, the way you ignore what I actually say and hyper focus on inconsequential details "I can't actually respond to your argument so I'm going to declare your argument bad and run away."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 05:12 AM
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But you still didn't say what my lie was Yes I did. You accused me (multiple times) of hating men, when I quite clearly put down red pillers. You further accused me of doing so because I hate or am jealous of heterosexuals (?) because I'm bi (???), which is a lie since red pillers are both hetero and bi, or so they claim. This is typical behavior of red pillers, who invent arguments and pretend like other people said them. 99% of the men on here are heterosexual Source? You shitting on the men h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:44 AM
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What lies and in what way is this redpill? Because that's exactly what red pill does, they completely invent arguments and accuse other people of making them. See also, "Blue pillers say looks don't matter!" You are putting heterosexual men down on this subreddit. You just did it again. See how you can't stop lying? No, I'm putting down red pillers because they're an embarrassment to my gender and they believe a very stupid and very hateful ideology. I don't speak for other redpill men Apparentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:20 AM
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Where did I say that my statements aren't connected? Oh so now they are connected just not in the way I said they were, in a totally different, completely unspecified way. The way you are routinely putting the (mostly) heterosexual men on this subreddit down There's those red pill lies. "I can't actually address your argument so I'm going to invent a new one and pretend like that's what you said." Nah, I put red pillers down because they're an embarrassment to my gender and they follow a deeply …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 10:57 PM
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You should read my comment again. I said that you being bi explains a lot. That's were my sentence ended. Lol so you were just making two completely disconnected statements. Sure thing bud. So what does my being bi explain, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 10:02 PM
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Where did I say that you fool around with men because you hate them? Where you said me being bi "explains a lot" as to why I'm supposedly a man hater. But, like I said, no one has ever accused red pillers of having common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 09:44 PM
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That's pretty much all a myth (or at least a gross misrepresentation). https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/ZLmYMNjkXb
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 09:40 PM
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Why do women cause dead bedrooms Why are you assuming women are "causing" dead bedrooms, especially when married people have more sex than anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 09:39 PM
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I hate men so much I fool around with them is certainly a take, but nobody ever accused red pillers of having common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 09:30 PM
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My argument is pretty clear. Red pillers want to take the credit for what men have done without taking the blame. You have demonstrated that mindset perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 08:36 PM
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It is easy for women to get sex as long as they don't care about enjoying it or being attracted to the other person. It is also easy for men to get sex as long as they don't care about enjoying it or being attracted to the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:41 PM
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Yes, but you don't get one without the other, despite the fact you are desperately trying to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:28 PM
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I am saying your biased opinion is just that, a biased opinion. Sorry, what exactly is "opinion" about the fact that most of the fighting for the Holocaust and slavery was done by men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:20 PM
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As a bi dude, I'll just say there are a lot of men who identify as straight that like sucking dick and giving hand jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 07:16 PM
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I'm telling you men absolutely did participate I didn't say they didn't. I said the majority of the work was done by women. Just as the majority of the work for the Holocaust and slavery was done by men. You don't get to pick and choose the stuff you want men to get credit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:51 PM
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The women's suffrage movement started in 1848. The 19th amendment didn't pass until 1920. You're telling me it was men who did all that work? How does this undo the Holocaust and slavery?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:45 PM
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Except feminists treat equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women. No, feminists work for equality for women. Men who would ostensibly work for equality for men's issues prefer to silence women, much like you are trying to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:41 PM
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I mean m'en literally gave women the right to vote, and women also actively participated in the holocaust. And women fought for the right to vote and men fought for the right to annihilate Jews and enslave black people. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:33 PM
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so we can tone down this stupid gender war feminists are waging. There is no gender war. There is equality and inequality. Feminists are fighting for equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:31 PM
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So women not using men as wallets is putting men on a pedestal to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:26 PM
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Look, it's real easy. If you want credit for men legislating women's rights, you also take the blame for men perpetrating the Holocaust and slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:07 PM
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Women are demanding nudes from men and insisting on casual sex without meeting in public first? Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:05 PM
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Hey good job being exactly the type of person she was talking about. Silly women, thinking they know what they're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:04 PM
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They don't swipe at all anymore because I'm married, but good try.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:01 PM
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Meeting a woman in public before sex is not putting a woman on a pedestal, but not meeting a woman in public before sex is also not putting on a pedestal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:00 PM
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So in your mind, meeting a person in public before sex or not losing your shit because she said "bro" is "putting women on a pedestal?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:36 AM
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It used to be a huge boon in online dating. I was able to turn most of my matches into IRL dates just not being a lunatic. Now I feel like many women have gotten tired of sitting through the weirdos.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:35 AM
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What are you calling "frivolous icks?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:32 AM
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You can get easy sex and attention right now, it's just not necessarily sex you want or sex you'll enjoy (i.e., the same world women live in).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:16 AM
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Maybe they are. But I'm saying the red pillers around here engage in the same hypocrisy as them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:14 AM
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Absolutely in most cases yes And yet so many dudes here are chronically single. Seems like you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:39 AM
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Women are independent, safe, and doing well now that men have tamed the world for them. Literally every single thing in a woman's life that gives her comfort, stability, and safety, outside of social connections, depends almost entirely on the work of men. Classic red pillers. "I don't want any of the blame for the bad things men do, but I would like all the credit." Women don't owe you shit, especially not for things others did, and especially not for things women fought for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:39 AM
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Men go after fertility, women go after status. It’s biological It's really not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:11 AM
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"I know what this woman wants better than she does."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:08 AM
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That's not a narrative. There have always been dudes who happily fuck lots of a women and then call them sluts. It's the same brand of hypocrisy that red pillers engage in now, just without all the fucking. They want to fuck, but they don't yet still criticize women for having casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:07 AM
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What about not understanding women are different explains going on a rant because she used the word "bro?" If a guy did that to me, I'd think he's insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:05 AM
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Financial stability is what plays a big role, not simply money. If you're working 40 hours a week in an office job or a trade or something like that, money isn't the reason you're single. I've worked in the same profession for the past 15 years and I'm making about triple what I made when I started, and there was no significant difference in results between when I was making less vs when I was making more. The single biggest improvement was putting 6 good pictures on my profile and writing a fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 05:02 AM
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Can I just get you to say "I think this woman is wrong about what she says she is looking for in a partner?" I would just like to get that on record.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:07 AM
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She's obviously referring to being single. But good job telling a woman she's wrong about what she thinks about herself and being exactly the type of person she was referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:05 AM
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What behavior listed here do you see as putting women on a pedestal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:03 AM
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The same is true if they stay in their home country. And they have the added benefit of actually having something in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 03:58 AM
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Of course not. There also aren't boatloads of women waiting to throw themselves at some gringo who doesn't speak the language or know the culture, but they don't want to hear that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:36 AM
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A lot of men have gone overseas and many have the same story- they've had more success with women abroad. Yeah I keep hearing that, and I keep hearing that dudes are going to be leaving in droves, and then...nothing. The reason a lot of men don't go overseas is because they don't have the time or money to do so. It is hard for most people to be able to just live in a foreign country where they may not speak the language, and be able to support themselves financially There's also some guys who ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:34 AM
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Cool, that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of dudes who advertise passport broism are never going to do it. I literally have 5 chicks interested in me who are located overseas and I put in very little effort. Wait you met these women in India or you're talking to women online in India?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:29 AM
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Yes! She would send me screenshots of messages where these dudes would just say the craziest shit out of nowhere
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:28 AM
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When what changes? That statement almost sounds like we are engaged in a massive battle of who's more chicken No, but I know dudes here keep acting like they are. Women are far more prepared to walk away from the table than men are. Men saying "well maybe I will too!" is not a threat to someone who is already prepared to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:12 AM
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There's that too. And while it might not be the same exact issues with dating on apps, there's a lot of overlap and I think it ultimately comes down to so many dudes making it unbearable for women on apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:07 PM
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The root cause is women are more independent than ever with regards to their own economic survival, so they're less willing than ever to put up with bullshit. They can live happy, fulfilling lives without men, so if a man can't improve that, why should they bother? Red pill dudes try to frame this as women having unrealistic standards driven by pseudoscientific explanations and conspiracy theories about Chads having all the sex, but the truth is much simpler. A while back, a woman posted here so…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 10:05 PM
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The male/female ratio is a big part of that, but I don’t know why the ratio is the way it is. My friend was on apps for awhile looking for a FWB and it was astonishing how the vast majority of dudes she matched with just completely fumbled the ball at the 1 yard line. The majority of dudes just made zero effort to get to know her once they knew she was looking for something casual. You can see this attitude reflected all over by guys who are baffled that a woman would want to get to know a guy b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:55 PM
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Western societies have given up on the idea of sustainable or stable population growth through native birth rates Oh man, it's been awhile since someone chicken littled about this. and are entering a phase where most of our population growth will be generated by immigration. You are also entering a phase where developing countries will become developed countries and fewer and fewer people will emigrate from them. So how will our relationships and dating lives be impacted by the fact more of our …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 09:43 PM
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What part of "your survival is dependent on keeping someone else happy" is better?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:38 PM
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gender confused assholes When in doubt, blame trans people. What's funny is that is the exact same way people used to talk about students who were neurodivergent. "Kids with ADHD or on the spectrum, it's just coddling bullshit!" And the sad thing is you will never see the connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:13 PM
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Hey, it's a good point. I really wanted it to help. I tried a number of therapists before giving up. And that really sucks it didn't help you. That's still not the same as "therapy can't help men."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:40 PM
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It's not, but it's great so many men like spreading that bullshit and then wringing their hands when they see statistics on men's mental health. You, personally, are part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:39 PM
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Right? I've said that so many times. Like what are y'all waiting for? Just go already.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:05 PM
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I'm married, guy. But good try, you'll land that one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:05 PM
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Bro I'm married. Swing and a miss. But what a surprise that a red piller is completely incapable of comprehending that there are men that don't agree with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:04 PM
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It doesn't and it isn't, but I know you need to believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:02 PM
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They are on reddit because this is stuff they can't say to people they interact with in real life. Men complain constantly, you just don't see it as complaining. Therapy not working for you is not the same as therapy not working. And let's be clear about something, you have to actually want to be in therapy and for therapy to help you in order for therapy to help you. If you go into therapy determined that it won't help, then it's not going to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:02 PM
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But you didn't read the whole thing, did you? I did, that's why I know your title is a lie, and then you tried lying about what your own post said, even though it's literally at the top. Do I seem red pill to you? Red pill, red pill adjacent, parrots red pill beliefs but does not identify as red pill. It's easier to just call them all red pill because y'all believe 95% the same shit. If men complain all the time and women complain more than men, You've provided nothing to support that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 06:38 PM
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And as soon as you actually find the hypocrisy, I'd love to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:15 PM
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Men are unhinged emotionally stunted maniacs, 19 upvotes. Oh boy, you left out some important context there. But every woman I see in my office who is trying to or recently separated - their husbands are losing their shit and acting like unhinged emotionally stunted maniacs. Fun fact, the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she tries to leave. Apparently men killing themselves at higher rates is because theyre finally seeing the consequences of their actions, 138 u…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:13 PM
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Nope, but that's what red pillers et al desperately want men to believe. But thank you for tacitly acknowledging that red pillers use "hypergamy" as a baseless criticism to make women the bad guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:05 PM
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Hey look, another red piller taking what someone said and pretending they said something completely different. Up next: "Blue pillers say wedding vows are meaningless!"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:03 PM
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They don't, that's the point. If even 1% of the dudes who proselytize passport bros have actually done it, I will eat my shoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:01 PM
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I never said "men don't benefit at all". The title of your post is "Why therapy doesn't work for men." Even if it is from 1978, does it mean it is not relevant? I've been told by red pillers that information and experiences as recent as 2018 is no longer relevant to "modern men," but now I'm supposed to accept it from 1978? Nah, sorry bud, you don't get it both ways. Where, I don't see a link. Stop lying. r/whoosh We are talking about real life not here. Like I said, men complain all the time, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 04:59 PM
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Everyone knows if a man dates a woman with bigger tits and longer hair than him, he's hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 04:19 PM
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You didn't read the first link which said women benefit more A) I did read it, you're not the first dude who has posted that link to shout about how therapy doesn't work B) it is from 1978 C) it said women benefit more, not "men don't benefit at all" Your source? Sure, it's right next to yours. Men complain here bcz they can't do in real life, isn't real life different than online? Like I said, men complain all the time, you just don't count it as complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 04:14 PM
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but I think very few women are okay with the word hypergamy. Because the way it's used by red pillers is just an excuse to bitch about women's standards. A woman can be better than her boyfriend in 9 out of 10 categories, but if he's better than her in the 10th, she's declared hypergamous. Some red pillers have even said that a woman dating a man who is taller than her is enough to be hypergamous. It's just bullshit used to make women the villains.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 03:56 PM
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I hate this "therapy doesn't work on men" bullshit. All it does is discourage men who can benefit from therapy from seeking therapy. Yes, therapy works on men. No, it is not a magic cure-all that will solve all your problems. No, you may not get the best therapist on the first try. That doesn't mean it doesn't work. All this is is an excuse to bitch that society doesn't take men's mental health seriously because when the obvious solution is suggested, you can scream back "THERAPY DOESN'T WORK ON…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 03:45 PM
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Divorce attorneys tell women to trump up abuse allegations if at all possible in most divorces and custody battles Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 03:26 PM
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People don't leave happy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:49 PM
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Because when they go overseas and inevitably strike out, they'll be forced to acknowledge that western women are not the problem. As long as they talk about "I'm going to Thailand to get a girlfriend!" and never actually do it, they can keep up the fantasy that it's western women keeping them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:46 PM
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It's definitely a cop out frequently used to dismiss women rather than addressing what they're saying. Whether the men who say it genuinely believe women are being illogical, I'm not sure, but believing it doesn't make them right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:37 PM
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men everywhere are waking up and no amount of gaslighting by embittered women will reverse this. Oh no! Women will continue not to date red pill dudes! Most men are struggling to find their equivalent *What they believe is their equivalent
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 10:42 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:14 PM
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No. Financial stability is pretty important. Someone who makes comparable money to me opens up a lot of opportunities for things like travel, nice restaurants, concerts, sporting events, etc. Also stop treating TikTok like it's real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 03:36 PM
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Yes, business relationships are a type of relationship, but that's clearly not what we're discussing on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 03:30 PM
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They wouldn't get pregnant considering females would have their fallopian tubes cut and stuff. Why would "females" (better known as women) have their tubes tied? Just give every boy a vasectomy at like age 8. The women would not have the risk of getting pregnant which means they would be willing to open up more. They still risk STDs, sexual violence, and sexual dissatisfaction. How else would this effect the dating market? Well firstly, such a technology is so absurdly advanced that the society …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 02:05 PM
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You can use whatever definition you want. For me, dating that is contingent on a paycheck is not a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:51 PM
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That's nonsense. Perhaps red pillers feel differently, but most men value more than just looks in a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 05:56 AM
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Neither. I'm not attracted to 1 and 2 isn't a real relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 05:31 AM
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There's a great quote from True Detective season 1, where Woody Harrelson and his wife are talking about their very young daughter making a sexually explicit drawing in school. "Girls always know before boys." "Why is that?" "Because they have to."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 02:01 AM
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Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 10:47 PM
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I didn't say men are a monolith. I said red pillers would rather complain about nonsensical bullshit than address men's issues because their goal is not to help men, but rather find reasons to blame women. If that's not you, great!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 10:47 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:17 PM
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Not really. Red pillers repeat their arguments continually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:17 PM
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Oh are we playing the game where "if he doesn't say those exact words, it doesn't count?"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:11 PM
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You don't need to leave whenever you want to live Yeah you're motte and baileying what I actually said. What a surprise, a red piller arguing in bad faith. Then they speak in a language where you have no choice but to listen. Nah, when they're done and gone, nobody will give a fuck what they wanted, just like every other red piller who thought they were a tough guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:09 PM
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Yes. Quite quickly. Not before I cause more damage than the one done to me. Maybe you should read threads before butting in with your two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:07 PM
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Pretty much every piece of advice attributed to blue pillers isn't actually from blue pillers at all, it's virtually always red pillers willfully misrepresenting what was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 05:56 PM
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Except he didn't say "if I don't eat, I'm going to starve." He said "if I don't get sex, I am going to hurt as many people as possible." Explain to me how that is not being entitled to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 05:54 PM
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Yeah, see, you weren't ever really a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 05:53 PM
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It does not. Slavery does not inherently threaten safety or existence. Really? Slaves can just leave whenever they want? I don't think you understand what slavery is, then. The threatening is coming from the aggrieved feeling that their grievances are being unjustly dismissed I don't give a fuck what their reasoning is. If they're threatening people because they're not getting laid, whatever piss poor rationalization they have for it is irrelevant since the safety of innocent people trumps their…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 05:52 PM
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When someone is threatening your safety or existence. It's a pretty well established line. Slavery would fall under that. Why is it so hard to imagine that despite not needing sex to live, total lack of sex is a bad thing worth addressing? Because threatening people is not "addressing it," that's a blatantly disingenuous argument that ignores the context of the discussion. What a surprise, a red piller arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 05:34 PM
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It's very easy for women to have sex with practically any man they want. As long as they don't care about enjoying it. You keep leaving that part off. Even a toothless meth head hooker can make $1000 a night because it's so easy for women to have sex. And you think she enjoys those?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 05:25 PM
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What about threatening people because you don't have food? Or shelter? Or water? These are requirements for survival. Sex is not. Yet, when was the last time someone went on a mass shooting because they were starving? Or threaten people because you're being bullied? Socially ostracized? Yes, if you threaten people because someone bullied you, you're an asshole. If you wanna threaten the person who is harming you, have it. But threatening people at large? Nah, go fuck yourself. Where do you draw …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:59 PM
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Nah, the second you start threatening people because you're not getting sex, I don't give a fuck what your sob story is. You're a dangerous piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:39 PM
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Please, explain to me how "If I don't get sex, I'm going to snap and hurt people as much as possible" is not him saying he is owed sex. I can't wait to hear this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:37 PM
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There's that wonderful lack of empathy Believing you're entitled to sex and threatening society if you are not given it shows an astounding lack of empathy, so maybe fix your own house before worrying about everyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:08 PM
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People in this Reddit sub don't represent most men But the red pill men on this sub represent the red pill men on this sub, and the red pill men on this sub believe it is so easy for women to get sex because, after all, the red pill men on this sub would sleep with anyone who offers (they won't, but that's a whole other discussion). The red pill men on this sub also frequently state they don't care about women's pleasure. So, joining it all together, the red pill men on this sub believe it is ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:06 PM
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Or I can burn what I consider to be on the way. Uh huh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:04 PM
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The same way society is not entitled to my cooperation Well, see, you don't get the benefits of society without following the rules. Don't want to follow the rules? Then go be a mountain man. It's always amusing when red pillers think they can threaten people into giving them what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:54 PM
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Society is not going to "provide" you sex. Stop thinking you are entitled to something you're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:40 PM
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Push any person far enough and at one point they will snap. TIL not giving men the sex they believe they are entitled to is "pushing men [too far]"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:26 PM
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You don't have to give shit to society. Go find a plot of land in the middle of nowhere, live off the grid as a subsistence farmer and make your own rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:25 PM
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This is incorrect unless you're assuming most men suck in bed. I don't know if most men do, but certainly a lot of them do. You don't even have to take my word for it, dudes around here love to tell you all the ways they don't give a shit about women's pleasure and how ridiculous it is that women would expect a hookup to make her cum. These are the men that are available to women when red pillers talk about how easy it is for women to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:03 PM
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mens mental health is largely a product of 2 things: the decline in mens quality of life thanks to the economy being shit for millennials whole lives and dating being a dumpster fire. Source? We need to fix those things not treat the symptoms by shouting men into therapy which is of dubious usefulness to them Of course, the red pill "mental health services won't help mental health issues" argument. The real reason is that acknowledging mental health services are useful would put you on the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:01 PM
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First and foremost, your mom hasn't dated people anywhere near your age, she has no clue of the prevailing norms and trends. Secondly, identifying your particular dating strategy and goals requires a knowledge of your child's intimacy that very few parents desire. Finally, you can't rely on your parents to teach you social rules because there is no book of social rules. They are unwritten, vague, and changing. You give your children opportunities to socialize and establish boundaries of behavior…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:57 PM
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And there's the red pill mass shooter mentality. Always interesting to see the mask come off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:51 PM
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Sure, if you're an android. Back here in reality, though, your mom cannot and should not be responsible for teaching you how to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:50 PM
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what are our "biggest issues" then? Men's mental health. Because feminists/leftists act like its that we cant wear a dress and cry despite literally no men wanting that. A) there are many men who want one or both of those things B) feminists are concerned with women's issues C) most feminists would probably agree the biggest issue for them is abortion or violence against women Its just concern trolling to make it look like they care about mens issues while ignoring the actual issues. No, that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:48 PM
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It's not your mom's job to teach you how to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:33 PM
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If I am being nice, productive and civilized and I am not getting what I want from society I am being shortchanged and I will stop providing that niceness, production and civilized behavior. And you will find out very quickly how intolerant others will be of uncivilized behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:32 PM
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That's an emotionalist argument. That's a common sense argument. Hungry kids aren't going to do as well. You're arguing that schools are over funded yet we can't afford to meet even the most basic needs of the students.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:24 PM
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They may be the most common issues brought up, although even that I disagree with, but nobody in the manosphere thinks that those are the biggest or most severe issues facing men, not even close. So they just want to talk the most about minor issues. Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:46 PM
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Bro, I'm a fucking professional economist whom has seen the studies. I'm sure. https://edworkingpapers.com/sites/default/files/ai19-58_v1.pdf For every $1,000 more per student spent, dropout rates decreased 2%, college enrollment increased 9%, and college graduation increased 4%. http://edworkingpapers.com/sites/default/files/ai19-25.pdf Increasing in funding showed significant improvements in test scores of low income districts. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3430766 Increa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:44 PM
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This is just blatantly false It absolutely is not. I have spent plenty of time in manosphere spaces and that is exactly how I know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:31 PM
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Plenty of studies show that the US has consistently increased funding to public education in general and has gotten zero returns (measured as academic success by students) in response, so the idea that we just need to "give more money" to the system to fix men's issues is questionable at the very least. Bro, we can't even afford to feed poor kids lunch and you're going to tell me public schools are over funded? Plus, the people currently in control of public education in the USA (and in most oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:30 PM
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There are a few issues that get brought up that actually are of importance, like men's mental health and educational outcomes in boys. However, the manosphere only uses those things to throw in women's and feminists' faces, they never actually propose solving those problems since both issues would rely on heavily leftist policies that feminism largely supports. Instead, the manosphere acts like the biggest issues facing men are who pays for first dates and mandatory paternity testing. In short, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 05:43 AM
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It's amazing how many dudes around here would rather subject women who don't know any better to bad sex for life rather than just...get better at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 05:21 AM
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Are you sure? These men who don't date or sleep with men seem awfully confident about what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 04:02 AM
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Why is it that feminism argues that women are more than just a pretty face but then support sex workers Because being a sex worker does not mean you're not a human being. How can sex workers call themselves a feminist when they’re a part of the industry run by websites that have lawsuits for sharing things like revenge 🌽 a videos of girls being 🍇? For the same reason YouTube creators can be good people even though YouTube also hosts white supremacy propaganda. Not to mention how they dress up as…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:24 AM
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And don't forget, the dudes who were complaining she wouldn't date then will also shit on her for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 11:25 PM
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Ah, as is always the answer to "where did you hear this outrageous thing being said," the answer is "TikTok."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 11:23 PM
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I'm not sure where y'all get the idea the conservative Christians don't drink. As for porn, trust me, plenty of conservative Christians watch porn. With smartphones, it's easier than ever to hide. As for the rest of it, yeah, you'll have to give up a lot of it. But if you want a chaste, conservative woman, it seems rather bizarre to get upset when you get a chaste, conservative woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 08:07 PM
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How do you convince her dad that you are a solid stand up guy, if you have zero friends That's why you join the church and get to know people. if you are socially inept and the opposite of a charismatic, confident leader type of guy? You seem awfully close to acknowledging that their personality is the problem, not "shallow Western women."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 08:04 PM
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Wait till you try immigrating to another country.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 08:01 PM
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Everything you mentioned is far easier Lol ok bro, get back to me after you try immigrating somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:59 PM
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So is red pill, they would fit right in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:57 PM
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Well red pillers love to complain about contemporary society, I would think they'd be thrilled to give it up for their virgin dream girl. And it's not like they have to be Amish, even conservative Christians still have iPhones and LED TVs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:56 PM
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If you can't pretend to be a Christian, how are you going to pretend to be an alpha male in the real world? Alternatively, just say you're a sinner who wants to be saved. Evangelicals love that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:50 PM
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Because that would involve lying about a massive part of your life. Red pillers advocate for this kind of thing all the time. Look how many say to act like an alpha male douche because that's what women want. Not to mention that it's really shitty for the women this hypothetical man is dating too Oh I agree. Just like dating a woman from a desperately poor country or a teenager who doesn't know any better. But red pillers advocate for these things as well, so it seems a bit weird they'd draw the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:48 PM
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1 wanna watch sports on a religious day, that is not acceptable You can't skip church to watch football, but watching football on Sunday is not unacceptable at all. 2 don't drink or drugs or other substances Yeah you'll have to give up drugs, but most sects are fine with alcohol in moderation. Sure you can lie, great way to start a marriage Lol red pillers advocate for all sorts of unethical shit, you're gonna draw the line at dating a virgin Christian woman? be prepared, alot of those communtie…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:46 PM
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Evangelicals are spread throughout the US and have a variety of sects to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:27 PM
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that will likely be suspicious of some random man arriving and trying to find date their daughters. Well yes, if you're an idiot and show up on day one trying to pull numbers, any moron will see what you're trying to do. Spend six months or so getting to know people and then warming up to a woman you like, on the other hand, is quite different.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:27 PM
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Always nice to see red pillers saying the quiet part loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:25 PM
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No. I'm pointing out the stupidity of red pill claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:09 PM
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Wait? conservative even by Christian standards isn't the Catholic one? Oh God no. Your average on the street Catholic is nothing compared to, say, Baptists. Also, no matter what you refer to, all religions have too much rules for example I am not allowed alcohol, smoking, drugs or any non vegetarian food. Lol what? Drugs, yeah, you'll have to give up that. But drinking in moderation? Meat? Maybe you're thinking of Hindus. Plenty of super conservative Christians drink and vegetarianism is not man…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:08 PM
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Red pillers are always talking about faking a personality, pretending to be an "alpha male" douche because they think that's what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:04 PM
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Are convicts frequently red pillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:01 PM
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While there are certainly conservative Catholics, the average Catholic is much more mainstream. I'm talking about conservative even by Christian standards sects.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:12 PM
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Of course not, that's why I wouldn't do it. Red pillers on the other hand have no problem doing it. Why not just be the man that you ARE? That's the point of my post. Red pillers would never actually do this because then they'd have to acknowledge that it's their personality that is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:11 PM
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Red pill" teachings are rarely false- Hahahahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:10 PM
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I wouldn't fake it, that sounds horrible. But red pillers talk about going to all sorts of ridiculous extremes all the time. Pretending to be religious is a piece of cake, especially when most of the others are pretending to be religious too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:03 PM
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"Evangelicals aren't conservative enough for me!" Well, there's always Islam.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:02 PM
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Most red pillers hate liberals anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:02 PM
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Just look at steven crowder I mean if you can't go without verbally threatening your 8-month pregnant wife, maybe society isn't the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:00 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:59 PM
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I only mentioned Christianity, but they're certainly free to join other religions. Doesn't make it racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:58 PM
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Another heretic of The One True Red Pill™
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:56 PM
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Oh I agree, there is tremendous hypocrisy in conservative religious communities. That's why it's perfect for red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:43 PM
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Plus a man should only go to church when he values the lifestyle that comes w it, not because he's simply trying to score I agree, but red pillers advocate for all sorts of unethical shit, so this should fit right in. And churches are not some kind of home base where it's guaranteed you're gonna find women with low N-counts, and trad gender roles etc. No, but the odds are better than most places. If anything, some churches are full of the most hypocritical people. And that's why it's perfect for…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:42 PM
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That's a nonsense reply. Nothing about my post is racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:41 PM
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I mean I couldn't and wouldn't, but that's also why I'm not a red piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:40 PM
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I've been reading red pill bullshit since its creation. In the forum days, our forum used to post shit red pillers said and laugh at how idiotic it was. Not much has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:39 PM
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I grew up around a large community of conservative religious people, but thanks for playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:38 PM
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Need to be in moderately good shape Not true at all. Plenty of fat conservative Christians. Besides, these guys are always shouting about going to the gym, that part is no problem. be somewhat personable, and make enough money to provide her a housewife setup Dudes here always swear that their personality isn't the problem and they just don't want to be a provider for some run through land whale.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:37 PM
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Good luck in Thailand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:35 PM
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Oh are we playing "let's say the most ridiculous thing I can think of?" Nah, people aren't calling your old church for references. And if you're really worried, just say you're a sinner who wants to be saved. Evangelicals love that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:34 PM
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It's a hell of a lot easier than moving to a country where you don't know the language or the culture. Yet dudes here act like that's the magic key.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:32 PM
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No, I'm explicitly saying that red pill is as bullshit as astrology or energy healing. Red pill is just woo for angry, single dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:30 PM
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What does "struggling men" means? Read around, dude. You've got dudes here saying men should all move to Thailand because "western women" are so worthless. Well there are conservative Christian communities all over the country that have exactly what they're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:28 PM
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Well if you're an idiot and you start hitting on women your first day, of course they're going to see through it. Spend 6 months or so getting to know people and then try to warm up to someone you like, on the other hand, nothing wrong with that all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:26 PM
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How would that be racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:25 PM
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There are alternatives to Mormonism with similar communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:25 PM
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What strawman? Red pillers routinely advocate for both these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:24 PM
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I mean yeah if you're trying to pull numbers on day 1, sure. But after 6 months or so, warming up to some of the women wouldn't be untoward at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:23 PM
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Also yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:22 PM
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The dad would ask why they haven’t seen you in church before. "I'm new in the area."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:21 PM
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I don't think anyone should move to a poor, foreign country or go trawling for teenagers for the sole purpose of getting dates, yet those are both advocated for by red pillers quite frequently. It seems weird to draw the line at religion now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:21 PM
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But in conservative Christian sects, men have a much greater hand in setting up relationships. Convince her dad you're a solid, stand up guy and you're a lot further along than you ever would be in "modern dating."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:18 PM
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I mean, you're expecting her to respect you intellectually despite being a red piller, right? Relationships are all about compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:04 PM
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The absolute last place on earth you're gonna find that is in a church. You're thinking of mainstream Christianity. Conservative churches are some of the last places in the US where you're going to find women who will wait till marriage. but most modern Christians church's are hilariously gynocentric. Correct, you don't actually know anything about conservative Christian communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:03 PM
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Then this isn't the method for you. For most red pillers, though, lying is no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:59 PM
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It requires you to be religious in the first place Nah. Most Americans have absorbed enough Christianity by proxy to believably pass as a life long Christian and then just pay attention in Church and hang a picture of Jesus on your wall. They're not like Ned Flanders where they walk around quizzing you on Bible verses. Alternatively, tell them you're a sinner who wants to be saved because evangelicals love that, then you don't have to fake anything and you've got a redemption story to add to you…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:58 PM
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No it’s not. You’re talking about faking an enormous part of your life for a whole marriage. It's certainly easier than faking "alpha male" personality or going to a country where you don't know the language or culture, yet red pillers never shut the fuck up about that. Most Americans have absorbed enough Christianity to just by cultural diffusion to believably pass, and then you just have to occasionally pay attention in Church, say prayers, and hang a picture of Jesus on your wall. Piece of ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:53 PM
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Certainly am. Go visit some conservative Christian communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:47 PM
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Evangelicals and other conservative Christians live in pretty much every area of the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:44 PM
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I didn't say you'd get handed a wife, but you don't have deal with all the issues with "modern dating" that dudes here complain about it and men have a much greater hand in forming relationships. Dudes here swear up and down their personalities aren't the problem, it's the women who are so shallow and unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:39 PM
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Nah, dudes here have no problem exploiting women from desperately poor countries or prowling for teenagers celebrating their 18th birthday. Faking religion is a walk in the park compared to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:25 PM
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Then they'll have no problem faking it!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:23 PM
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Yeah, mainstream Christians you're probably not gonna do much better, but conservative evangelical sects? One of the few groups of people who still wait till marriage (or just before marriage).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:22 PM
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Dudes here claim to be so desperate for love but sacrificing an hour or two a week to sit through a boring church service to get their dream girl is too much?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:20 PM
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Religion is a lot easier to fake than being "alpha" or moving to a completely different country where you don't know the language or culture, yet red pillers won't shut up about those. Just fake it. Who knows, maybe they'll even find they actually like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:19 PM
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Except for the divorce myth, you're sounding awfully feminist over there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:18 PM
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Because women are able to economically survive without men and are far less likely to settle for an unsatisfying relationship than in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:38 PM
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Women can get sex easily as long as they don't care about enjoying it. Funny how red pillers always leave that part off.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 01:32 PM
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No, blue pillers do believe that looks aren't as important as they are to most people No, that's a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 01:14 PM
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I didn't say incels, I said red pillers. Kinda weird how you kept changing the word and hoping I wouldn't notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:40 AM
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Wake up incels are not a threat to women Except when they go on mass shootings. So, to be clear, you don't have any statistics of what percentage are red pillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:18 AM
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Where is the breakdown by pill ideology? How many were red pillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:14 AM
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Most mass shooting But not all, right? Some are by red pillers who directly cite red pill ideology. There is no discussion to be had Great then let's see your statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 01:44 AM
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Uh, you made the claims bud. The burden of proof is on you. Also how come you keep ignoring the mass shootings red pillers are responsible for?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 12:27 AM
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Yet there us no evidence of that. There is. There have been mass shootings committed by red pillers where they directly cited red pill ideology. Women are far more likely to be hurt by their BF than a random incel You're making the false claim that women would be safer with incels when, in fact, you have no evidence to back that up. In fact, you have no evidence to back up your original claim either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 12:20 AM
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Are you trying to suggest girlfriends cause violence? Boy, those incels should be happy to spared such a horrible date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 12:15 AM
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The rampant misogyny and trauma inflicted on both men and women. Also mass shootings.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:49 PM
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Yet another heretic of the One True Red Pill™
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 09:16 PM
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And lesbian porn often use the same mainstream actresses, dolled up sexually for men's fantasy of lesbians You will quite likely find that this is not the type of lesbian porn women typically watch. instead of other categories like amateur porn, in which real couples have sex and the woman isn't faking having an orgasm. Because it is still frequently catered to what men like, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 08:14 PM
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Women's perception of who Chad is likely differs enough Oh good heavens no. I have been repeatedly assured by red pillers that attractiveness is objective, so objective that it can be measured by a universal decile scale. If women start having different opinions about attractiveness, then the cornerstone of red pill ideology crumbles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 08:13 PM
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I see all around me that people are just trying to “date up”, that there has to be someone that the other is “chasing” in some sense and another that is settling. This is red pill nonsense. Very few relationships involve a person who is superior in all conceivable respects. What is dating up from your perspective would be dating down from another. My wife makes more money than me, but I am better at home repairs and house finance and administration. Who is to say which one is "marrying up"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 07:47 PM
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Not all relationships are built on deep feelings and love. Of course not. Business relationships are built on transactions. What you described above is a business relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 07:02 PM
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It is not wrong to be conditionally nicer to one woman in exchange for receiving sex from her Then you're not actually nice. as long as he makes this agreement and its terms clear to her Ok, got tell a woman "I'm only going to be nice to you if you have sex with me" and lemme know how that goes. But even so, if he didn't treat his lover nicer than other women I'm nicer to my wife because I love her, not because she gives me sex. What a bizarre way to look at a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 06:17 PM
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There's nothing wrong with being nice to women and having sex. Multiple women have had sex with me because I was nice to them (among other things). What is wrong is making your niceness contingent upon receiving sex because then you're not actually being nice. How about if I buy my female friend a gift because I believe it will showcase value to her and increase the chances of me having sex, is my action now unkind? Showcase your value how? By spending money?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:20 PM
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Good thing red pillers never do something like that like trying to take credit for building civilization oh wait
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:35 PM
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Believing therapy can't help and that therapy is the only form of.mental health services is idiotic thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:34 PM
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The mental health of young men, the physical well being of women who have been raped or murdered by red pillers, the mental well being of women who have been abused by red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:31 PM
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Well 1% of all men commit most of the violence What a completely misleading statistic. If you beat a woman once you haven't committed "most of the violence," but you've still committed violence. Claiming it's a "small percentage of men" ignores that it's such a large number of men that a significant number of women have experienced it. Plus, there's fun statistics like how 30% of men would commit rape as long as you don't call it "rape" (13% would still commit rape even when you call it that, as…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 07:17 AM
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is that the reason as to why women (not all) in the U.S are running towards high earning men and leaving low earners at a rapid rate? What is the evidence to support this claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 06:45 AM
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Net negative. It thankfully has been limited in impact, but it does appear to be spreading more with younger generations who, hopefully, will grow out of it. Even so, the damage it has caused in the meantime for no benefit must make it a net negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 06:33 AM
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How clever. Nothing will work and everyone is dumb for trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 06:18 AM
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Still waiting to see all these great ideas red pillers and MRAs have. So far, they've come up with checks notes splitting first dates and mandatory paternity testing. That should do it!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 05:01 AM
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Look at that totally meaningless, pseudo-intellectual word salad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:31 AM
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This isnt helping men at all Men who don't comfortably fit into those gender roles would beg to differ. I work from home and handle a great deal of the child care while my wife, who makes substantially more money than me, works at her office. That would have been nearly unthinkable 30 years ago. "I don't personally like the freedom men have now" is not the same as "feminism has not helped men." What TRP says about this is basically, either you choose to be free to cry, or to have a girlfriend. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:41 AM
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Men are more free than ever to break out of traditional gender roles and stereotypes and to discuss mental health and emotional problems. That's a byproduct of feminism fighting for those things for women. Red pillers, on the other hand, are actively fighting to put men back into those molds and denigrating any man who disagrees, as seen above. Look how often they tell men to never reveal their feelings or be vulnerable because maybe a woman won't like it, as though what a hypothetical woman wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:20 AM
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I know all about hate groups Do you now? https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/male-supremacy Male supremacists believe they are the victims of an oppressive feminist system that has unjustly deprived them of their rightful place in society. The main subideologies of male supremacy include incels, Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), pickup artists and so-called men’s rights activists. Can't wait to hear the excuses for this one!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:17 AM
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A known hate group. Boy are you in for a surprise when you learn anything about hate groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:41 PM
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"lol it's totally ironic bro but also I actually believe what red pillers say"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:38 PM
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I’m not red pill Has red pill flair. Parrots red pill rhetoric. Red pillers are liars even about being red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:29 PM
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Nothing about hating men. In fact, it says the opposite. What a surprise, a red piller is a total liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:25 PM
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So you can't find anywhere it says that despite saying just moments ago that "it is literally in their subreddit." What a surprise, a red piller is a total liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 10:57 PM
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Show me where in the subreddit it says it is about hating men. I'll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 10:54 PM
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Of course you don't, and I have no doubt you have endless excuses to explain why the fact that a female murderer will have more attention and marriage proposals than a fat woman who works at Walmart isn't worthy of the same hand wringing from you. I'm sure it's very similar to how you will complain that men have no options yet recoil is disgust at the notion of dating an overweight single mother or a divorcee who has touched more penises than you are personally comfortable with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 10:23 PM
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It's crazy how every red piller swears that they follow The One True Red Pill™ and every other red piller is a false prophet. Nah, you can go over to the quarantined red pill and see that their posts are pretty much exclusively dedicated to bitching about women. Meanwhile, over on r/MensLib, the page is covered with men's issues and topics. Are you a man currently struggling? The sidebar has a number of subreddits and resources dedicated to topics like suicide and male rape/sexual assault recove…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:35 PM
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It's not, but I know you need to believe that. Also incredible work in implicitly acknowledging that men's rights advocates and red pillers don't actually care about men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:26 PM
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certainly better than menslib though. Of course, because your goal isn't to work on men's issues, it's to shit on women and feminists in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:19 PM
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Of course, why would red pillers help men when they can hate women instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:01 PM
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A benefit for women is good for society. A benefit for men is a direct hindrance to women. No, the problem is most of the men trying to gain "benefits" are actually just trying to throw it in women's faces or otherwise silence women. That same social progress you lap about, would suggest that paying for dates would be 50/50. Thank you for demonstrating my point exactly. Who cares about men's mental health or educational gaps in young boys, women are getting free drinks on first dates! You don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:26 PM
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By supporting solutions to men's issues instead of figuring out how to blame women. By discussing the causes and effects of men's issues instead of using them to blame women. By focusing on issues that actually matter instead of "issues" where the goal is simply to blame women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:07 PM
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Why? MensLib actually desires to fight for progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:04 PM
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Why? MensLib actually has interest in addressing men's issues. That's why MRAs and red pillers fight so hard against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:01 PM
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Conservatives are more in touch with certain instincts than progressives, generally. Absolutely. Conservatives tell people like MRAs and red pillers what they want to hear. And MRAs and red pillers happily go along with it because they, too, have no interest in men's issues but rather silencing everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:59 PM
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Social progress has no interest in men because men have not fought for it. They have instead tried to stop everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:57 PM
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Okay, then go be an unstable jack ass. Let me know how that works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:41 PM
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I didn't say it would "fix modern males." I said mental health services would help men's mental health issues. I think you will find discussions easier when you respond to the arguments that are actually made and not the ones you wish were made.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:39 PM
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Nah, but I know you need to believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:37 PM
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I have no idea, I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of their sexual history. But considering he is a sex trafficking rapist who has already been found to be inflating his "status" in other ways (lying about his wealth, for instance), it certainly stands to reason that many of the women he claims to have slept with were either paid or raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:36 PM
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so I don't really think "feminism" has "improved educational outcomes" for men I didn't say they did. You're once again intentionally lying about what I said. AHAHAH lol no. that's prime ick behavior for women lol Not only is that false, but acceptance does not mean women are required to fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:32 PM
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Hypocrisy. You can't support MensLib because they had one guy who supported the Duluth Model (and if I recall, this was several years ago), but you can support red pill despite having actual sex criminals as spokesmen and producing mass murderers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:28 PM
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Well, considering he's also being charged with rape, that's rather indicative of his success with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:26 PM
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Mental health services are not food banks. Food banks are food banks, which are part of a larger social safety net system that is also widely supported by feminists. However, mental health services do frequently connect people to support for other issues such as food needs, social services, homelessness, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:24 PM
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Because an "ally" is not "someone who does your job for you." An ally works with you and shares resources for a common goal, like improving educational outcomes and providing widely available single-payer mental and physical health services. ooor you could also explain how exactly "feminist" have "accidentally helped males" Oh absolutely, feminists have made it more acceptable for men to step outside of traditional gender norms and stereotypes. Red pillers and MRAs on the other hand seem to be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:22 PM
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Lol "THERE IS ONLY RED PILL OR HATING MEN!"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:18 PM
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Red pillers championed a man currently in jail awaiting trial for sex trafficking and have produced multiple mass shooters. Maybe they shouldn't be throwing stones.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:09 PM
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okay so "feminists" are not a "fantastic ally for working on men's issues " You also apparently don't know what an ally is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:08 PM
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Ah, so you just don't understand what mental health services or mental health problems are. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 06:07 PM
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I didn't say feminism helps men's education, I said feminism helps men more on accident than men's rights group have ever done (or will ever do) on purpose. You intentionally lied about what I said to deflect from my actual argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:51 PM
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You don't understand how mental health services would help mental health problems? Can I get you to say those exact words; "I don't understand how mental health services would help mental health problems" just so there is no confusion over what you're actually saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:43 PM
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Seems like it just casts a bigger net. Of course. Feminism has been around a lot longer and actually accomplished things. MRAs only exist as a reaction to feminism; if feminism vanished tomorrow, the MRA movement would die out almost instantly. The next Q you can ask is “why?” Because MRAs and red pillers don't actually care about men's issues. They only care about issues as long as they can throw it in women's (and especially feminists') faces. Men's mental health is a perfect example. MRAs and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:19 PM
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The solution to "leaving people behind" is not "stop progress for everyone else." Conservatives do not care about social progress. If feminism disappeared tomorrow, you would never hear another peep about men's issues from conservatives ever again. Incidentally, the same is true of MRAs and red pillers. None of them actually care about men's issues, they only care about silencing everyone else. If men actually wanted change, they would see feminists and LGBTQ and racial equality groups as allies…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:59 PM
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Sorry you hate men Nah, I just don't accept red pill bullshit. Red pillers are completely incapable of recognizing the difference. Then again, if they were capable such nuance and comprehension, they probably wouldn't be red pillers in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:45 PM
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Because feminism is both an excellent template and a fantastic ally for working on men's issues (that is, actual men's issues like mental health and education, not who pays for first dates and mandatory paternity testing). The real uncomfortable truth is that feminism has done more to help men on accident than MRAs and red pillers have ever done on purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:39 PM
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MensLib doesn’t help men, it is solely about honeypotting men into feminist indoctrination . That’s why it was created. No, that's just red pill conspiracy bullshit. And say what you’re saying right now. Propaganda. And there's the red pill binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:36 PM
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No, Menslib is terrible because it barely offers anything in terms of solutions, and it's filled with groveling auto-flagellants who have to preface everything with "i'm not a MRA, but" or "I don't want to invalidate women's experiences, but". I agree, it would be great to not have to do that. Unfortunately, men's rights advocates and red pillers have so thoroughly tainted the pool with virulent misogyny that men feel the need to distance themselves from them. I do find your comment on this inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:33 PM
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But it has a clear leftist political bias Social progress does not come from the right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:06 PM
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They are completely different statements. You're just wilfully choosing to hear "this will help you" as "this will guarantee success," which also happens to be the origin of every single red pill claim of "bad blue pill advice."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 03:39 PM
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get strong, get rich, become interesting, don't tolerate bullshit and you'll get girls and be happy. You're a loser right now, so of course you can't get girls, but it's possible to stop being a loser and become a winner. I'll show you the way. And how's that working out? Where are all these magically fixed Tater Tots? It's ok to be you. Unless you're gay, trans, non-white, or a woman. Let's bond together and accept our greatness and we can make this country great. And that's just white supremac…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 03:36 PM
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it's a literal sub for men that aren't men and manginas It's always great when the red pill misandry comes out. But thank you for demonstrating that red pillers care far more about hating women than they do about helping men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:53 PM
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"Nice guys" aren't actually nice. That's the point. They don't actually respect women or treat them like human beings. "The bar is on the floor" is expressing the shock that so many men don't even meet the minimum standard of a functioning adult (much less a boyfriend), not "if you meet the minimum standard of a functioning adult, you will have women flocking to you." It's hard for a woman to appreciate that you're totally her type when your breath is so bad she can't stand you opening your mout…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:52 PM
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The blue pill" or "the left" cries about the popularity of Andrew Tate, Donald Trump etc but offers no meaningful solutions to young men and even refuses to acknowledge that they have a problem. A) what solutions have these two sex criminals offered young men other than "owning the libs?" B) I have repeatedly offered r/MensLib to men here only to get screamed at about how terrible they are because they don't allow posters to just baselessly blame women and feminism for all of men's problems. Mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:39 PM
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player fuccboi behaving like you mean the world to him was "love bombing" you, a average guy doing this exact same thing (even if sincere)comes off as just "needy and desperate" Love bombing is bad. Not sure why you're pretending it's a good thing. women will say "he knew what they both were there for", I have never heard a woman say this, though I have heard men say similar things with regards to women being raped or assaulted. In any case, your main complaint seems to be that she has an opinio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:28 PM
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But I am describing red pill ideology. This is shit red pillers say every day. Claiming "well they're not TRUE red pillers" is just nonsense (and is also a very common cop out used by red pillers; according to them, none of them are following TRUE red pill ideology).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:05 PM
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Because if you're an unstable, bad smelling, jack ass, your looks aren't your biggest problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 05:22 AM
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Lol ok, send me the contact info for the international attractiveness review board and I'll send us in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:52 AM
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What if I'm not? Would most men agree about your assessment of those women? I have no idea. Probably at least a few of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:40 AM
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It would depend on the individual women. I've certainly dated above average women (and I consider my wife above average as well) despite being average looking myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:30 AM
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No it doesn't. Exactly 100% of posts where red pillers have claimed said "looks don't matter" have not said that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:11 AM
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No. It's a movie about a German kid who loves Hitler during WWII.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 01:29 AM
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I prefer gritty and realistic entertainment even in my fiction. For instance I'd love to play a ww2 game about a virtuous Italian soldier who loves and believes Mussolini maybe slightly brainwashed but the soldier himself is honorable, not wicked or cruel to the enemy and truly believes in his cause. BP media would never allow that You just described Jojo Rabbit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 12:56 AM
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No, I don't see an angry dude screaming at a woman who rejected him about hypergamy as being particularly entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 12:55 AM
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Thank you for demonstrating my point flawlessly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 11:07 PM
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And then you read dudes here bitching that it's women's fault for expecting any man to make them cum in a hook up and also yelling that women don't need oral or clit stimulation to orgasm while simultaneously demanding that women give them more casual sex and also denigrating any woman who has casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 11:04 PM
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Most single fathers are widowed. Most single mothers are abandoned. Why are you trying to pretend there's no difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 10:20 PM
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It is absolutely unreal you are blaming women for shitty men. But is it really red pill if you're not blaming women for everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:57 PM
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You didn't explain why, you literally said you weren't going to explain why, and now you're trying to claim I'm the one arguing in bad faith. Classic red pill bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:54 PM
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60% of women indicate that they are looking for a man over 6 feet tall in their search filters. However, that number drops steeply as the height of men lowers. 30% of women want to date men who are 5'11" and only 15% of women are willing to date men who are 5'8" or shorter. A) that's paid users and B) it doesn't say women keep their filters the same This also does not prove that women are "sharing high value men." A majority (54%) of women with a degree say they would be less likely to date some…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:52 PM
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Not even getting into the issues with the data, absolutely nothing in that says the men being "shared" are high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:47 PM
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That's horseshit. It is used by red pillers to describe women. Claiming "well they could use it to refer to men" doesn't change the fact it's used almost exclusively to refer to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:45 PM
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Lol ok
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:43 PM
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but I had had some online dating success in my old town" literally you had success with dating what the fuck?? I had some success in my old town. Then I moved and I didn't have success for awhile. Thus, I had issues. Without putting in any effort I put in a lot of effort. redpillers will see it as I said, Boy are you in for a shock when you read literally anything red pillers say. No average man is getting dozens of quality matches a day Like I said, red pillers can literally not comprehend that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:42 PM
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Red pillers definitely need to be treated like children, that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:18 PM
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You guys are the first to say that looks and money are massive determining factors in all other aspects of your life like career success, health, emotional wellbeing etc. But the moment it comes to dating you magically turn into a 90s republican and say "pull yourselves up by your bootstraps, society is ok its your fault you dont have success in dating". Looks has almost nothing to do with your career and money is what you get from your career, not the other way around. And no, you don't get to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:13 PM
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No, they just don't scream "LOOKS AND MONEY ARE THE ONLY WAY YOU'LL EVER GET DATES." Going against that bullshit is not "downplaying looks," it's refusing to accept red pill garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:54 PM
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Blue Pill does heavily downplay looks and money, No, they just don't scream "LOOKS AND MONEY ARE THE ONLY WAY YOU'LL EVER GET WOMEN". Because red pillers are completely incapable of nuance and complex thought, they hear "attraction is a multifaceted, complicated thing of which looks are just one part" and run off to post about how blue pillers say looks don't matter. Which can be statistically shown No, it can't. Red pillers love to claim that they have stats to back up their ideology, but they …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:31 PM
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Here, I'll defend it. Blue pill doesn't say shit like "looks don't matter" and "just be yourself" while promising women will flock to you. That's just red pillers hearing what they want to hear so they can claim that society is trying to mislead men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:15 PM
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Redpill shows women will share high value men No. Red pill claims women share high value men. They don't actually show anything to back that up. I’m convinced a lot of guys that are angry with women are guys who aren’t bad looking, maybe average and yet they wonder why they can only attract landwhales. Probably because they refer to women as "land whales."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:10 PM
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I am not gonna change my mind Of course not. If red pillers were capable of nuance and understanding, they wouldn't be red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 07:02 PM
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Lol brilliant argument. That's why I comment on watch and news subs. So I can astroturf red pillers. Everyone knows what a valuable segment they are lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:52 PM
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Respond to an argument, answer a question. Red pillers don't do either. But good job on the "everyone who disagrees with me is a bot."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:49 PM
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Why did you think it was relevant here? All of it, that's why I said it How are you anything better than a broken record? Because red pillers can't answer simple questions, just like you can't now. You, like most red pillers, seem to believe that if you ignore questions long enough they'll go away, but boy howdy do y'all get triggered when they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:41 PM
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"I'm not being rewarded for being nice!” means you're not actually nice. Inventing "reasons" women are awful so you can rationalize being awful is really just trying to justify being awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:30 PM
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It's easy for women to get casual sex as long as they don't care about enjoying it. That's the part that red pillers always leave out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:34 PM
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Well that's fucking stupid. Of course priorities change after you have kids, you have human beings to take care of who are 100% dependent on you. What an idiotic belief to think priorities don't change after having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 03:39 PM
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Men are made to sound like completely one dimensional monsters with zero agency a lot of times here This is it exactly. Red pill is a deeply misandric ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 03:37 PM
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Then you should probably pay closer attention to what red pill actually says.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:09 PM
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So let's recap, you never had issues dating No, I pretty clearly stated I had issues with dating. you had easy success with it back in your home town No, I had some success. your photos weren't working well so you tried switching things up and then you once again had wild success on apps. There ya go. You're 1 for 3! she claimed to not want anything serious No, she said she wasn't sure she was ready for anything serious. meaning she really liked you but wasn't sure if she could commit), If you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:05 PM
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No it's not. Much like "go to the gym," the little good advice red pill is really just common sense that they try to take credit for. Understanding that your photos matter for online dating is common sense. Unless you're trying to claim the old red pill myth where blue pillers say looks don't matter even though they don't actually ever say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:50 PM
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No, because despite what the Internet thinks, 1. Be attractive 2. Don't be unattractive is not actually how the world operates (that's why those "rules" come from an SNL skit). Your super power doesn't tell you if she's single, if she's looking for anyone right now, if she's even in the mood to be hit on, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:31 AM
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It wasn't any one thing, but the photos I picked were probably the biggest factor. I went through probably over a hundred different photos in various combinations.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:01 AM
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Nope. We've discussed finances obviously, but it's never been an issue relationship wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 04:57 AM
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Where are the bluepill success stories? I've tried telling mine, and red pillers just run down a list of qualities until they find one I have and then declare that must be why women have dated me. I struggled for a long time with dating including long periods of being single with no dates. I started doing apps and wasn't getting matches, I was in a new city and didn't really know anyone, but I had had some online dating success in my old town, I just needed to figure out what worked. So I kept m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:43 AM
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You can complain the advice isn't great. You don't get to complain about completely different advice that was never given as part of an elaborate conspiracy to deny men any hope of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:28 AM
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Not really Yeah, really. I even quoted your lies. I know you're trying the Trump "it's not a lie if I never admit it" but that doesn't really work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:54 PM
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Keep telling yourself that's what we're saying. Turns out that's exactly what you were saying, and then you tried to lie about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:26 PM
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Just wondering why you'd tell such a blatant lie when your own comments are literally in this same thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:15 PM
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No one says that taking care of yourself and being a decent person will automatically spawn a partner in your lap. There are plenty of women on Reddit that say that. I have been a victim of this kind of gaslighting multiple times. The second comment is you, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:53 PM
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I didn’t say it’s the only thing. I know it's not the only thing, you (and others) just keep pretending that people are saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:41 PM
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I have seen it many times here personally Yeah that's what I always hear and then you see the posts and it turns out they weren't saying anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:23 PM
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Men want advice. Women give advice. Men pretend women said something different and get mad about it. News at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 09:37 PM
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No, I'm really not. You already acknowledged that women say you should practice basic hygiene. You completely invented the part where "basic hygiene is the only thing you need to do to get women." What I have seen is a lot of blaming and shaming from women that men don't meet their 'low' bar because one of the reasons is they don't shower. That still isn't saying "the only thing you need to do to get women is shower." It's expressing shock that many men do not understand that you need to shower.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 09:14 PM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 09:11 PM
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Yeah that's what I keep hearing and then you see the posts and they weren't saying that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 09:04 PM
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There are lots of posts of women directly naming hygiene and showers. And you're already moving the goalposts. What they AREN'T saying is "if you take a shower women will flock to you." That's the part you're inventing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:53 PM
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No they don't. It's dudes on Reddit hearing what they want to hear. I can't count the number of times people have said something like "your personality is important" and red pillers have jumped in screaming "OH SO YOU'RE SAYING LOOKS DONT MATTER" and then ran off to post about how women say looks don't matter. Just today, I said "having good game is a lot more than just the words that you say" and a dude immediately started whining "OH SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU JUST HAVE TO BE YOURSELF??" All this "a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:35 PM
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It's just a way to blame women for all of their woes while hiding behind pseudoscience and fun house mirror logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:16 PM
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Being a slave to evolution doesn’t mean you’d run around killing people. Not all people, no. But people with food and mates, absolutely. If you're arguing that's not the case, then you don't understand what a slave is, what evolution is, or, most likely, both.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:49 PM
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"Reality has a well-known liberal bias."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:40 PM
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No, you said this. "Game has very little to do with the actual words coming out of your mouth." And then you responded with the ways that game has little to do with the words coming out of your mouth. How you dress, your body language, your tone, all are examples of things that are not what you are actually saying. So, when flirting, does what you say matter or doesn't it? Of course it matters. It's just a small piece overall. That's why I said "very little to do" and not "nothing to do." But of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:36 PM
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Psychology is understanding how people think and their behaviors in given situations. I know what psychology is. I'm saying red pillers don't know what psychology is. They just make up a bunch of shit and claim it's psychology. Do you Nope. Now, I know you don't know what you're talking about. Game is everything from how you dress, to how you talk, to how you carry yourself. That is literally what I fucking said. Just be yourself" is nonsense because it's not advice. You wrote three paragraphs t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:06 PM
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Yeah, it's just an excuse to abuse women. Dudes here will claim the man being taller makes her hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:04 PM
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If you are expecting advice on how to handle each individual person you will ever come across, good luck. Also, "every single person has a different perspective" is not "extreme." That's just reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 05:13 PM
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Because they apply psychology to dating? They don't apply "psychology." They try to manipulate what red pillers believe is psychology and, unsurprisingly, they continually fail. So, there aren't things you can say that would make someone like you more or less? Women call this the "vibe" but men call it "game." "Game" has always existed, this isn't something new. Do you think good game is just a script that successful dudes follow? Game has very little to do with the actual words coming out of yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:46 PM
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Every single person has different perceptions of the world. You don't treat every single person like they're an alien species that you have to figure out how to communicate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:41 PM
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Why would you tolerate women who don't treat you like a normal person?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:10 PM
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how we treat men Who is this we? I treat men with respect and friendliness and genuine interest in them as people, just like I do to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:44 PM
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Because men (especially men around here) often act like women are a different species who have a magic code where if you say the right words in the right order, they'll fuck you or date you. It doesn't work like that and rather than trying to game women you'll have much more success just talking to them like a normal person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:22 PM
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Given how those who complain about "toxic masculinity" often believe there is no such thing as "nontoxic masculinity" nor "toxic femininity", it's just a term for passive aggressive misandrists Nah this is all bullshit you made up. Feminists are the biggest user of "toxic masculinity" and not only do they readily acknowledge toxic femininity (it's just not "who pays for first dates"), they also will happily discuss positive masculinity with people who are actually interested in such a discussion…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 05:24 AM
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That isn’t the same Why not? Dude is saying men can fuck even when they're not attracted and not aroused by the person. Most men could sleep with 90% of women so why isn’t the reverse true? Women have standards? Also I would not sleep with 90% of women and neither would you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:30 AM
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Then why was dude guy up there blathering about how easily men will sleep with people they're not attracted to and aren't aroused by? I mean, I know I don't sleep with people I'm not attracted to and aren't aroused by, but clearly that commenter feels differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:18 AM
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didn't claim they did? So then how is the reverse proof women are hypergamous while mine doesn't prove anything? You don't get it both ways. Your claim is that a woman will date a tall guy and they will call it hypergamy No, my claim is a woman will date a tall guy and red pillers will call it hypergamy, even if she surpasses him in every other category. So I pointed out how that's false. No, you didn't. And just as a side note, that doesn't happen. And neither does super hot, rich men dating ug…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:34 AM
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If you don't want to discuss reality Bro red pillers never want to discuss reality. If they did, the entire ideology would fall apart in about 30 seconds. No rich super hot woman is dating a broke ugly tall guy. And no rich super hot man is dating an ugly broke woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:11 AM
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Yes but usually it is the more Lol no it's not. It's red pillers inventing categories where they can claim women are hypergamous. Guys here have literally said women dating a dude who is taller than them (the women) makes them hypergamous. It's total bullshit. It's just an excuse for dateless red pillers to make women look bad for dating men regardless of who they choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:07 AM
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Homeboy literally said hypergamy is a woman who dates up in ONE or more categories. If it's 1 out of 2 or 1 out of a million, red pillers say she's hypergamous. And you're calling me ludicrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 01:48 AM
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If she is better in 9 out of 10 categories, then she is dating down. Absolutely nobody but red pillers would ever dispute this logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 01:11 AM
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If you think being better in a single category is always "wanting better," then your issue is with the definition of words.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 12:33 AM
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That's not a rebuttal. I didn't say it was. Screaming "OBFUSCATE" isn't an argument, so there's nothing to rebut No, it isn't. Yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:50 PM
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Hypergamy refers to women preferring men who are above women in one or more meaningful metrics. Thank you for confirming what I have been saying for quite awhile. A woman can be better than her boyfriend in 9 out of 10 categories, but if he's better in the 10th, she will be labeled hypergamous. Many red pillers even consider the man being taller to qualify as being hypergamous. In short, as it is used by red pillers, it's an utterly meaningless term.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:04 PM
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Here its relevant because it would explain why it feels unfair. But this only makes sense if women don't like sex. Here we are likely to see different answers between men and women due to this. You think wanting to date someone is based on how horny they are? here its going to be relevant because it will create different expectations between partners. Which is it? If men know women aren't as horny, why would they expect more?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 06:30 PM
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The top 10% of men get the vast majority of the action No they don't. There is nothing to support this myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 05:42 PM
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Oh because your question was clearly a bad faith misrepresentation of what I actually said. Sorry if that's inconvenient to your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 05:21 PM
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There are way more straight men than gay so unless you were told they were gay you should assume they are straight. Why would I assume that? More importantly, why are you assuming those are the only two options? You never answered the question, how is sleeping with men a solution to a sexless man who is not gay? The commenter said men could easily sleep with people they aren't attracted to and who don't arouse them. If he is indeed straight, then men would fall into this category.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 05:13 PM
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I’m not even red pilled… "Dudes who parrot red pill ideology but technically do not identify as red pill" then. You accused me of saying the quiet part loud without any actual substance No, there was plenty of substance which you understood perfectly, that's why you're getting all cranky now. Your lack of an answer shows me that you’re probably a simp who believes women can do no wrong. And there's the red pill binary again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 05:10 PM
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They never said they were straight. And I never told them to do anything. I merely presented an option. Sorry you got so triggered, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 05:08 PM
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I didn't tell anyone to do anything
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:58 PM
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And there's the red pill binary. "I can't actually argue what you said, so I'm going to pretend you said the most extreme version possible."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:58 PM
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Lol yes, my wife knows I mock red pillers on the Internet
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:52 PM
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Mk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:46 PM
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r/whoosh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:16 PM
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Ah, so you didn't even read what was being said before butting into project your fantasies on to other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:12 PM
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A) it's not a fact and B) if it's so important, why can no red piller explain its relevance to discussions on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:11 PM
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I'm not the one so obsessed with Grindr I never said anything about being obsessed with Grindr. Once again, that is your own projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:33 PM
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I didn't say take it up the ass. That's your own projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:11 PM
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You’re not making an argument. You’re just telling people to be gay instead. Nope, that's a lie you invented to deflect from what I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:08 PM
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A red piller can't address the argument so resorts to condescension, color me shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:38 PM
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Apparently you didn't even read the question you answered lmao Here it is again lmao Would you have sex wjth someone you are not attracted to or a person who does not arouse you sexually? Are you even capable of having sex with someone who doesn't arouse you? You affirmed that men would have no problem with this scenario lmao Bi and gay men would be someone you're not attracted to who doesn't arouse you sexually lmao So therefore you must also believe that men would have no problem with this sce…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:32 PM
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Really? Then why are dudes always bitching about not getting laid? Go sign up for Grindr and you can have a dude over to your house to blow you with no reciprocation within hours (just search for "blow and go").
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:28 PM
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Is this seriously another "men are hornier" post? Of the many, many stupid things red pillers like to complain about, this is easily one of the stupidest. By the way, women want good sex, not just any sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:25 PM
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they can get away with disrespect with no social, legal or physical consequences. "Women aren't afraid of men, they're just afraid of what men will do to them if they say something the man doesn't like." Really saying the quiet part loud, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:19 PM
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my supposition was that if your fat friend had a problem dating, it's obviously because he's fat But it's not "obviously." It could be any number of things. Fat men get dates all the time. Whiny, mopey men rarely get dates regardless of appearance. Between those two problems, his personality is the much bigger issue. If he smells like absolute ass, then his bigger problem is hygiene. Fat men get dates all the time, dudes who smell like ass rarely get dates regardless of appearance. If his clothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:02 PM
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I thought the point of the discussion was whether or not the "LOOKS DON'T MATTER" exclamation you keep getting is a strawman. And we definitively proved it is. See right here: I'm seeing right here exactly why it happens, not even in a hypothetical can you say "yes my friend will struggle if he's ugly". Red pillers lose their goddamn mind if anyone ever suggests that someone's dating woes aren't completely related to their face, height, or body fat percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:42 PM
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Why bring it up, when nobody said anything about a whiner? To illustrate that people's personality can be a bigger problem than their looks, which was the entire point of the discussion. But you knew that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:33 PM
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Yes friend and why are you assuming that would be the case. I'm not. That's why I said if
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:30 PM
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Oops, you didn't read the entire comment because it's inconvenient to your narrative. Okay, if they're acting like mopey whiners around women, their biggest problem is they're acting like mopey whiners around women. Okay, if they're acting like mopey whiners around women if they're acting like mopey whiners if if Do you see it yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:27 PM
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Based on the fact that a friend has come to you with this problem you've come to the conclusion that he must be a mopy whiner. No, that's a lie you invented to deflect from what I actually said. What a surprise, a red piller making shit up instead of having a good faith argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:22 PM
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Sorry bud, red pill lied to you. Life isn't so simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:01 PM
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Judging people by their looks means making determinations about their character based on appearance, not whether you're physically attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:37 AM
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Stop making fun of Red Pillers Oh God no. when 70% of men between 18-29 It's not 70%, even though red pillers love to exaggerate the number whenever possible. Secondly, the disparity is clearly either from: A disproportionate number of respondents being polygamists A disproportionate number of respondents lying In either case, the data is not reliable. The 80/20 rule is a myth. Sorry bud, the internet lied to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:56 AM
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Anybody placing any attribute above looks when it comes to sex/dating is simply not worth taking seriously And anybody who says this is absolutely not worth taking seriously. Similarly, anyone who hears any advice not related to looks and concludes that women must be saying looks don't matter is also not worth taking seriously. And for the millionth time, nobody is saying personality doesn't matter. Oh, so even though someone doesn't scream in your face "THIS MATTERS" you're still able to compre…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:52 AM
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Vulnerability is not being a mopey whiner around strange women, but you knew that already. Yet another example of the red pill victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:49 AM
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Yes they did. A woman commenting on personality != "looks don't matter" no matter how much red pillers scream and stamp their feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:54 PM
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They didn't say that women don't say it. Yes, they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:46 PM
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Well they're your friend in this scenario, why are you friends with assholes? Okay, if they're acting like mopey whiners around women, their biggest problem is they're acting like mopey whiners around women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:45 PM
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They weren’t swearing up and down. They said that women say that a lot. And when I pointed out they don't, they doubled down repeatedly, insisting that women do say it until they finally admitted that women don't say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:43 PM
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If you have a fat friend, their biggest problem is their weight, No, if they're an asshole, they're biggest problem is they're an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:41 PM
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Usually because the person in question has less of a problem with shitty looks and a much bigger problem with shitty personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:36 PM
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Yes, they do. No they don't. Both the dudes who were swearing up and down that women say it all the time both just admitted that women didn't actually say that at all. That is the case every. Single. Time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:35 PM
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I'd say around 50% constantly downplay the importance of looks And there we go. So women aren't actually saying "looks don't matter at all," they're saying "look don't matter as much as you think they do." When a dude around here complains women say "looks don't matter," exactly 100% of the time, the women were not saying that at all. Thank you for demonstrating that yet again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:33 PM
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If I'm ugly and I complain to my friends about my singledom and the only thing they mention is my personality they're implying personality is the only thing that matters. No, they're not. Thank you for proving exactly what I was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:32 PM
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they're more likely to say you'll meet someone due to your nice personality. See? This is exactly what I mean. Red pill dudes hear "personality matters" and immediately declare "OH SO YOU'RE SAYING LOOKS DON'T MATTER??" Every time I have seen a dude directly reply to a woman he's claiming is saying "looks don't matter," exactly 100% of the time, the woman was not saying anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:23 PM
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The vast majority (I would wager >95%) don't say this. It's a red pill myth. I've seen what they claim is women saying it, and 100% of the time, it's a woman not saying anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:07 PM
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I didn't say they say it all the time I didn't say you did. I'm saying the vast majority of women never say it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:05 PM
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r/ThatHappened
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:03 PM
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Most of what you have listed here is just "women has an opinion about a man without the man getting to argue against it."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:02 PM
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No, they don't. Dudes love to claim women say this all the time, much like you're doing now, but then women chime in to say "no that's ridiculous, of course women care about looks."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:01 PM
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You'd think it would be maximizing your physical appearance, but all too often I still see women spewing absolute garbage about how looks don't really matter No you don't. Dudes here constantly reply to women's advice saying "OH SO YOU'RE SAYING LOOKS DONT MATTER" and exactly 100% of the time, the women were not saying anything of the sort. This is just yet another red pill myth to try and sell the idea that people (and women in particular) are always trying to mislead men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 10:54 PM
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Of all the posts I’ve seen TPPD, I’ve never seen one get a reaction that makes so many people feel personally attacked Wait till you see any post written by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:07 PM
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It's real in the sense that there are women who do it, but it's not real in the sense that it is anywhere near the scale or scope of passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 01:50 PM
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Nobody says miscommunications don't happen. But when you're only getting miscommunications, then the problem is most likely with you. More importantly, when your response to a miscommunication is to get defensive and abusive, then the problem is most definitely you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 01:48 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my questions and throw a tantrum that I have to answer yours. Don't get so worked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 06:29 AM
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TIL wanting to make your partner cum is "pick me behavior."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 06:28 AM
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Dude, chill out. Seriously. It's just Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 05:47 AM
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Whoa dude, don't fly off the handle. It's just a subreddit, take a chill pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 05:42 AM
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Red pillers? Okay. I got it. You just insult any disagreement WHOA dude chill. You don't have to get so emotional. If you find "red piller" to be an insult, maybe you shouldn't parrot their ideology? I pointed out that you are getting all mopey First I was angry, now I'm mopey? You can't even keep the emotions you invented straight. Maybe you need to step away and collect your emotions before we continue. ‘the nerve’ Can you show me where I used the phrase "the nerve?" You put in quotes (twice) …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 05:42 AM
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Bro if you think "women prefer oral sex to dudes showing them studies that their dick is enough" is bragging, maybe you need to recalibrate your definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 05:36 AM
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"Fellas, is it gay to have sex with a woman?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 05:35 AM
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Dude, you are really angry Lol it's always amusing when red pillers project their emotions on to everyone else. that this guy posted a study that is perfectly aligned with the subject of this very subreddit How so? How does this inform anyone's dating or relationship? and you are PISSED Lol You have “skepticism” that he paid $50?? I mean whether he did or didn't, it's very telling. What's especially amusing though is red pillers lose their minds over any study that contradicts their beliefs. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:21 AM
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You'll have to understand my skepticism that you paid $50 to prove that women orgasm marginally more often from penetration alone than other studies have claimed. If you actually did pay it, that is its own insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:33 AM
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Mhmm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:27 AM
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I'm looking in your links, I don't see these numbers replicated. Where are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:25 AM
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You gave numbers for frequency, but you gave no basis for these numbers and I'm not seeing anything in your links to support them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:23 AM
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Except you didn't actually identify misinformation. You are conflating "able to orgasm from penetration" with "reliably and consistently orgasm from penetration."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 01:57 AM
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So then you're just quibbling about statistics for no reason. That makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 01:07 AM
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Alright bro. You show her your studies, I'll eat her out, let's see which one she prefers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 12:56 AM
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I didn't say humans were exempt from evolution, that's a lie you invented to deflect from what I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 11:43 PM
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Does it matter? Yes. Does it matter anywhere near as much as men think it does? Not even close. If you have a legit micropenis, yeah you might have some challenges but almost certainly nothing that can't be solved by oral skills and toys. For the vast, vast majority of men, though, it's not an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 09:48 PM
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They aren't in the same circles. He is an 8 digit millionaire with marginal national popularity (mostly concentrated around Kansas City). She is a billionaire superstar who is internationally adored. That's like saying the guy who owns all the car dealerships in my city is in the same circle as Elon Musk.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 09:38 PM
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Red pillers are so easily triggered. Must be evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 08:37 PM
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So? She's an internationally beloved billionaire superstar, she could have a parade of ripped, six pack dudes paying just for a chance to go down on her. She is irrefutably dating down, which red pill says is impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 08:27 PM
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No, 1 billion is 10 times more than 100 million. Red pillers happily called Beyonce "hypergamous" even though Jay-z is only worth four times more than her. You don't get to change the rules now that it's inconvenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 05:38 PM
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A spear??? Futuristic sorcery! Bludgeon animals to death with your bare hands like god intended!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:57 PM
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Women have begun behaving in a way that is completely counterintuitive to evolutionary biology Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:35 PM
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How can anything be something other than what it evolved to be? How many people have you killed or attempted to kill for food and mates? Is it zero? Then you're not a slave to evolution. Humans exist in civilizations orders of magnitude larger than evolution prepared us to handle. Yet we adapted, because we're not slaves to evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:15 PM
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Absolutely. I work from home and I still wear athletic cut T-shirts and a nice watch just because I like how I look.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 03:48 PM
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No, she only dates much, much poorer men. As for attractive, she is very attractive herself so at worst she is simply dating men on her level though, if we're being honest, she's better looking than most of the men she dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 03:44 PM
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Everyone is a slave of evolution, No they aren't. That's a bullshit cop out used almost exclusively by red pillers while everyone else is able to adapt and grow beyond evolutionary programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 03:43 PM
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But you haven't been told your whole life "if you're just nice women will always want to date you." That's not a thing that people say, that's a red pill lie used to make it seem like society (blue pillers in particular) have been purposely misleading men. while chasing after bad boys. Another red pill myth. If you verbalize any of this, you are told you're a manipulative "nice guy" who just wants sex and isn't nice at all. You seriously don't see a problem with this? Yes, I see red pill perpetu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 01:30 PM
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Thats not an argument or a fact. Yes it is 🤣🤣🤣 Everyone has heard this advice. And with multiple people saying it's not, you can't provide any evidence 🤣🤣🤣 Who said nuh uh first? You did 🤣🤣🤣 Thats what you were arguing against. So you didn't even read the comment I replied to before butting in to say I was wrong 🤣🤣🤣 Classic red pill behavior 🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:46 AM
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What part of this is evidence or argument denying that it isnt blue pill advice?? The part where a blue piller denied it was advice coupled with the complete absence of evidence to the contrary 🤣🤣🤣 Did you ride the short bus to school or something?? Awww, another triggered red piller 🤣🤣🤣 After i called you ou After you said "nuh uh" 🤣🤣🤣 Fixed that for you 🤣🤣🤣 You want evidence for people telling men to be good/nice? Woo boy look at those goalposts fly! 🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:35 AM
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Right here 🤣🤣🤣 Not only is that not blue pill advice, but if you're nice with the expectation of women flocking to you, then you're not actually nice. And here again.🤣🤣🤣 I did. I called your argument as bullshit as evidenced by the fact that there are blue pillers in this thread saying that's not actually the advice given and your response is "nuh uh." You're welcome to show your evidence but we both know you won't 🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:17 AM
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No you didnt, Yes I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:10 AM
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I did. I called your argument as bullshit as evidenced by the fact that there are blue pillers in this thread saying that's not actually the advice given and your response is "nuh uh." Learn to formulate an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:06 AM
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No it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:03 AM
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You're intentionally conflating being nice with being a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 02:36 AM
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It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 02:27 AM
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Buddy none of the words I've used are even remotely complicated. I didn't say it was complicated, I said it was meaningless. Everything. In. Reality. Follows. Cause. And. Effect. You are intentionally trying to conflate cause and effect with cost and benefit. The effect of holding a door open for someone is they walk through it. You're going to try and pretend this is what you were referring to the whole time, now? This is not proving that altruism is non-contingent Yes it is. I hold the door op…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 02:19 AM
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Inductive reasoning, with which we can identify cause and effect, which is a universal phenomenon. The fundamental structure of reality follows an ontologically dependent narrative. You're trying to claim that altruism, for some reason, deviates from the norm and is immune to cause and effect. This is meaningless pseudo-intellectual babble. You are also misconstruing cause and effect for cost and benefit. So I ask again, prove it. Easily. I gain nothing from holding a door open for someone and I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 01:50 AM
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A non-contingent object doesn't exist Prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 01:28 AM
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Altruism isn't contingent on anything. That's why it's altruism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 01:21 AM
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I have known women who will lead men on to use their labor, money, etc. Also women who will use male friends for emotional support and validation.It’s a a lop sided relationship where she takes and never gives. Being nice is not being a doormat. If this is true (and I sincerely doubt it is) it's not being nice that's the issue. Guys get told if they are a certain type of nice that women will flock to them. Except guys aren't told that at all. They're told to be nice to girls and women, but guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 01:13 AM
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the population is going extinct No it's not. That's logically and factually just plain wrong. and is chronically sick, physically deformed, and collectively mentally ill. Also false. therapy is post modern bs to hook people on anti depressants and not doing anything about their issues by telling them that the problem is them feeling bad about horrible circumstances instead of them just having a natural reaction to bad circumstances. Yawn. Also false.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 12:12 AM
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Despite what feminists say it is indeed possible for a man to just be a good person and believe they are a good person without having some initial expectation of getting laid. Not only do feminists not say otherwise, that's literally what I said. Why even tell someone to be polite, respectful, honest, etc. if nothing good comes from it? It's called being raised right.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 11:19 PM
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Because when women don't flock to them, you quickly discover they're not nice at all. Actually nice people are nice whether or not they are promptly rewarded for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 11:17 PM
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Women not dating you is not being "used."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 11:15 PM
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I would guess it's because looks discussions quickly devolve into "if you have a negative canthal tilt, you're doomed to be alone forever" and "women are shallow bitches for caring about height but it's ok for men to care about weight."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:12 PM
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Then there are the blue pill actual nice guys who think you just have to be a good person and women will be attracted to that Not only is that not blue pill advice, but if you're nice with the expectation of women flocking to you, then you're not actually nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 08:46 PM
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No they don't. Dudes in here talk about how repulsed they are by these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 05:57 PM
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hyper masculine Kelce might be a football player, but he's not hyper masculine. Listen to his podcast, him and his brother and frequently emotional and vulnerable, even occasionally crying, things that red pill says to never be. tall Yeah, this is the sole point for red pill. muscled Muscled, absolutely, but he is by no means ripped. Homeboy has a football gut, definitely not the six pack a high value woman like Taylor would require (according to red pill) famous She is orders of magnitude more …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 04:53 PM
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I would distinguish "just to impress me" from "I like you and genuinely want to learn more about the things you like." The former would likely be a turn off while the latter would be a big turn on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 01:46 PM
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I actually like Taylor Swift as an example because she is antithetical to everything red pillers claim that women seek in relationships with the exception that Travis Kelce is indeed taller than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 01:42 PM
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This is nonsense. His argument is essentially "therapy doesn't work on men because of evolution." Men are not slaves to the evolutionary past. Our entire society is well beyond anything evolution could have prepared us for, yet people continue to adapt and thrive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 01:38 PM
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That's about 95% of red pill logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 12:54 AM
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Essentially, men in monogamous relationships are expected to turn down advances from other women, there is no leeway given and it's seen as indefensible. However, people are much more patient with women who don't turn down advances from other men while they're in a relationship This is utter bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 12:53 AM
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The obsession comes from when that shit happens back to back or everywhere you turn it looks like someone’s trying to take advantage of you Then you should be seeing a therapist rather than inflicting your issues on other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 09:17 PM
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This path completely neglects the fact that women are at peak fertility around 20, and fertility is a shorter window in time than they realize. By the time they reach 30, 33% of women are no longer able to conceive. At 35, they are clinically considered "geriatric" in fertility terms. This is because women aren't stupid and despite attempts to scare them, they are aware that having kids after 30 or even 35 is not the Russian roulette that many men pretend it is. Also if you're trying to say 1/3 …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 04:09 PM
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No, they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 10:49 PM
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Can you quote where it says the increase in sexual inactivity occurred among the bottom 80% of men while women slept with the same minority of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 08:02 PM
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Yes, I understand, you're being pedantic about my word choice and ignoring the core of what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 07:06 PM
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That's still attempting to construct a relationship where you are never at risk. It doesn't work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 06:56 PM
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Men love chasing attractive women. Men hate chasing unattractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 06:55 PM
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There is a strange obsession that is especially prevalent among younger men of constructing a relationship in such a way that you can never be hurt or taken advantage of. That's not how relationships work. Yes, it is possible that you will be taken advantage of; if someone is doing that, you talk to them about correcting that behavior or you leave. If you are expecting to have a relationship with someone without ever risking anything yourself, then romance might not be for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 06:54 PM
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What data is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 06:45 PM
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Because being drunk doesn't excuse violent crime. Is this a serious question? To my own intuition men seem to be ones with more responsibility to make sure that someone is capable to consent compare to women. If anyone could provide me evidence to the contrary. That's not how debate works. You need to provide evidence to support your conclusion. If we are just going on "intuition," then my equally valid intuition says you're wrong and you're trying to find a way to blame women for being sexually…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:58 PM
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This is what red pill thrives on. Just utter bullshit with a veneer of half truths that take longer to debunk than it does to spread them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:54 PM
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Answer: women probably really are having sex with a minority of men. There is nothing to support this conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:04 PM
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And they don't see it at all. They have no problem with the countless contradictions because women are all dating wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 03:18 PM
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But you invented the claim that his jawline is the only thing that changed their mind. That's a scenario you completely fabricated and are trying to act like it's a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:20 PM
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But like how?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:05 PM
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What language?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:58 PM
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He isn't sticking to his own kind. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:39 PM
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A man who wants casual sex while declaring anyone who has casual sex to be unfit for him is a massive hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:21 PM
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He wants to though. He has no compunction about having casual sex. He's throwing a tantrum that since other women didn't give him sex, any woman who had had casual sex is therefore unfit for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:18 PM
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Yes, you're coming from "he should be able to talk out of both sides of his mouth without criticism." Sorry, doesn't work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:14 PM
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He's the one chasing casual sex while deeming those who have had casual sex to be unfit for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:09 PM
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I didn't move anything. It's the same principle. I still don't understand why you think it's hypocritical. Yes you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:08 PM
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If all the safety and std concerns become negligible if he’s hot enough, they weren’t really concerns Uh, yeah they were. The dudes who care the least about women’s pleasure often get the most pussy, You literally made that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:44 PM
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His behavior is not consistent at all, that's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:39 PM
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He's saying that he would only date women who haven't had casual sex in the past since he didn't have casual sex in the past. Yes, that is immature grade school logic. "I never got to go to Disney World so therefore I won't be friends with anyone who has ever gone to Disney World!" In fact in his original statement, "having issues with her more promiscuous past" isn't shaming, since no one is entitled to dating or relationships with another person. You can frame it however you want, it's just bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:39 PM
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If he's not able to have casual sex, and can only have sex with women who he's showcased his commitment towards, he's going to want women who haven't engaged in casual sex. "If I can't have casual sex, nobody can!" What kind of immature grade school logic is that? He's just a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 03:51 PM
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If women are so much better than men in everything, why don't you just date each other and leave us the fuck alone? No one is forcing you to be here. The door is open. Lol what?? Between men and women bitching about the other gender, you think women are the ones who can't just walk away? My brother, this entire sub is a testament to the fact that women are walking away while men cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:59 PM
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he will be reminded that women don't share his libidinal appetite, that women don't get aroused that easily, that the risks are too high and there is less benefit for them. For the average guy sex will only comes with a serious relationship as a "cherry on top" reward once he proves his worth and grows on her. With the exception of the risk/reward for casual sex, where are women saying these things? That sounds like red pill garbage. But on the topic of risk/reward, guys around here are frequent…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:55 PM
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It's not satirical, it's what red pillers actually say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 09:55 PM
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As a younger millenial(29), the one thing I've noticed that differentiate younger men from millenials who came before them is how at the same young age, normie millenial men had a much more idealistic view of female behaviour in dating and relationships. We were a generation of simps and male feminists. Good lord I can't roll my eyes hard enough. Are you so naive that you think all this red pill behavior "theory" shit is new? They've been spewing the same garbage for over a decade and before the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:30 PM
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Except you're claiming women don't dress provocative at home and I'm saying they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:02 PM
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Red pillers, jerks, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:00 PM
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I'll have to remember this comment next time a red piller whines about why it's okay to shame virgins. Turns out they're the ones who actually don't have a problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:36 PM
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Says who?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:16 PM
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I almost entirely agree with everything except the last part, you can't increase your height almost at all, but weight is very much within our control. So? When has it ever been a rule that you are only allowed to be attracted to things that a person has control over?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 04:56 PM
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That's a different conversation. No, it's not. "Provocative and slutty" are completely subjective assessments and what you consider provocative and slutty others may not and vice versa. However, there are also categories of clothes that women wear not just for comfort, but specifically because it makes their body look sexier. Yes, most women's clothing is designed to be visually flattering. That doesn't change the fact that it is can be entirely for the woman's own benefit and that's why she cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 04:50 PM
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It's very naive of you to automatically listen to what women say. Women's words often contradict their actions. No, women's words contradict red pill beliefs. That's not the same thing, no matter how much y'all try to make it. For example, many women will say they just want a good man, but then if you examine their dating history it's plentiful with fuckboys, cheaters and assholes. It's crazy how all the dudes on this sub always know the complete dating history of any woman. Women will say thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 04:02 PM
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My post is specifically about dressing sexy/slutty/promiscuously/provocatively. Yeah, and dudes on this sub have accused women of dressing promiscuously/slutty/provocatively when wearing gym clothes, which women absolutely wear around the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 03:19 PM
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You think women chill at home in the same outfit they go to the club in? Of course not, just like I don't chill around the house in my suit even though I look fuckin killer in it. It would be wildly impractical. But I still wear clothes that make me look good even though I'm home alone all day and nobody sees me. Your claim is women must be dressing in attractive and revealing clothes for men's attention because they don't dress like that at home and I'm pointing out they do dress in attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:58 PM
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No, but she could very well just be walking around nude. Using this logic, then it would be argued that a woman going around nude in public could be doing it for herself, but a woman in heels and a corset couldn't be. The easier option would just be to listen to women when they explain why they like dressing the way they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:44 PM
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So then why do they also dress in attractive clothes outside of the home? Because they like the way they look. I work from home and I still wear athletic fit shirts because I like the way they look even though nobody sees me all day. Like you said, if it's wasnt for me or other men, they would have no desire to wear the same type of revealing outfits outside the house. You must be having a stroke because I said nothing like that. Only it's usually the opposite that happens. Most women wear sweat…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:43 PM
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Not only do women dress in attractive clothes even when at home, women will frequently walk around in underwear or completely nude when home alone. Not everything is about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:30 PM
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Some people might call this kind of approach predatory, but I say the current dating market justifies such strategies and as the saying goes, all is fair in love and war. Just wanted to preserve this for the next time someone tries to argue that passport bros aren't predatory. In any case, good luck thrusting yourself into a culture you know nothing about, hope immigration doesn't catch up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:46 AM
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https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Danth%27s_Law#:~:text=Danth's%20Law,has%20probably%20very%20badly%20lost. Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 12:39 AM
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"I can't respond to your argument so I'm going to run away"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 12:36 AM
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One thing red pillers love to do is take a suggestion and pretend like you are saying this is the only thing a guy ever needs to do to get all the women he could possibly want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 12:35 AM
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Blue-pill was coined by the redpill as a catch all term for generally accepted social beliefs in dating Such as : Women are less visuals than men Just be a good person You will find your person eventually. The worst thing she can say is no. If you are alone then there is something wrong with you Niceguys are the worst. Etc Probably 6 and maybe 4, the rest is just red pill projection bullshit that comes from ignoring what is actually said and substituting what is convenient to your ideology inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 12:33 AM
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Yes. It’s call intersectionality. Oh I'm well aware that red pillers overlap quite a bit with other extremist and hate groups. That doesn't change the fact that red pill is in fact a hateful ideology itself. The thing that all these people have in common is that they are men. And, among several of them, they also have red pill beliefs as their motive. Because that doesn’t prove misangry or misogyny in red-pill anyway. "Because I said so" is not a rebuttal. No I don’t have to prove why the redpil…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 12:26 AM
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racists, anarchists, fascists, homophobes, and random men with no particular foreseeable reason cause mass violence And red pillers Lmao Saying other people have committed mass shootings for other reasons doesn't change the fact that multiple men have committed mass shootings specifically citing red pill ideology. Men who have never even had a dating issue have taken their entire families and themselves out at once. This distinction is disingenuous. No, it's not. Claiming "men have committed mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 11:45 PM
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Yep lmao Remember? Lmao I explained why Lmao I even gave an example Lmao Red pillers have gone on multiple shooting rampages Lmao And then you tried to deflect by pointing out that other people have gone on mass shootings for other reasons Lmao Even though that doesn't actually respond to the argument at all Lmao Because every single response you have given has been a deflection Lmao Just like I'm sure you'll deflect now Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 11:23 PM
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And you've provided no argument that red pill isn't misogynistic and misandric.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 10:50 PM
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The conversation is easily sidetrack-able. I can literally just say “ not I We aren't addressing you, personally, we are talking about red pillers as a whole. You are the one who came to me with these accusations. And because you couldn't respond to what I said, you've repeatedly deflected in several ways, including this latest attempt where you're falsely claiming that my comments about red pillers were directly for you. A specific argument . Oh good. We can start with my very first comment tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 10:37 PM
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I didn't say I won anything. I responded to your multiple bad faith arguments and since you can't seem to sidetrack the discussion or respond to my arguments, you're declaring that you have nothing to respond to and are running away.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 10:29 PM
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"I can't respond to your arguments so I will declare myself the winner and run away."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 10:01 PM
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Lmao if you don’t care Oops, you ignored the rest of my comment because it was inconvenient to your narrative. This, also, is a very common red pill tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 09:58 PM
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don’t agree that redpill is an ideology. A philosophy, a strategy, a conspiracy theory. I don't really care what you call it, it's just splitting hairs. Social norms are more then “ understanding” them. I don't care. You're just inventing excuses to deflect from what I actually said. This is why the “ blue pill “ isn’t just a critique of nerdy or awkward men. It isn't a critique of nerdy or awkward men at all. It's a critique of misogynistic men. Sure it is Of course, everyone knows red pillers …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 09:37 PM
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I didn’t know disaffected men committing acts of mass violence just started a few years ago. You are under the delusion that it is impossible for an ideology to be hateful if hate existed before the ideology was created? Sureeee. We know someone doesn’t have to “ be red pilled” for you to view them as broken and faulty. I never suggested red pill was the only way someone could be faulty. I just said not understanding social norms, by itself, is not a reason to criticize someone. Common reasoning…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 07:38 PM
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You consider it an idiology, and you consider it hateful. It's pretty hard to argue otherwise. Not really any blue pillers going on mass shootings, are there?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 06:35 PM
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Sounds like a victim complex to me. "If you adopt a hateful ideology, people are going to call you on it." "OH SO I HAVE TO BEHAVE EXACTLY LIKE EVERYONE ELSE OR ELSE IM A BAD PERSON"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 06:10 PM
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No, something is wrong with you if you notice you aren't fitting into social norms and your response is to subscribe to a deeply misogynistic and misandric ideology that is basically a conspiracy theory about how women are denying men sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:59 PM
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hy can’t they make it abundantly clear so there isn’t all of this unnecessary stress and guesswork?? Why are you flipping out that every woman isn't announcing every guy she's attracted to? You want to be struggling to get a word in over the 5 other guys in the bar she finds attractive? As is almost always the answer to every variation of "why isn't it easier to approach women," women tend to value social intelligence and awareness, and if you can't exercise these things to read the room, then y…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 02:21 PM
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Because so many women on this sub object to large age gaps and think they should be illegal Who has said large age gap relationships between adults should be illegal? This is a very common red pill disinformation tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:49 AM
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They deleted their account? Their comments are still there. A alien planet filled with 6’6”+ men with beautiful faces, muscular bodies, golden skin and luscious hair would invade earth and abduct me to make me the sole mistress of a polyandrous chad filled harem that will dutifully carry out my every wish. Nothing about this is meant to be taken seriously and nothing about this is insulting or demeaning to short men. Arguing that ANY man is gross for even speaking to them, yet being receptive to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 04:59 AM
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Well first off, they are clearly mocking you by reciting what red pillers claim women all want. Secondly, even if they were sincere, nothing about that is insulting or demeaning to short men. Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I was talking about flawlessly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 01:29 AM
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Lol wait is THIS the comment you're referring to? https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/RhsmLplhvQ
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 01:22 AM
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Really? Cause I just went through your comment history and you prior to today you hadn't commented in three days.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 12:55 AM
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Where on Reddit? Last time I asked this someone linked a Female Dating Strategy comment from like 4 years ago (and ignored that other women called out the commenter on it).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 12:47 AM
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Where on Reddit? Last time I asked this someone linked a Female Dating Strategy comment from like 4 years ago (and ignored that other women called out the commenter on it).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 12:47 AM
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Absolutely, women who belittle and insult men for being short are reprehensible. So where is this happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 12:28 AM
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It’s also how I know, brother. I'm sure. But just so we’re clear… you’re cool with women bullying anyone they want with impunity No, that's bullshit you made up to deflect from what I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:56 PM
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I have. That's how I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:36 PM
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Then it doesn't sound like they need to lower their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:35 PM
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Women are wrong for belittling short guys and treating them subhuman, Except women aren't doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:32 PM
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I wasn't entirely clear, I meant that are men as a whole buying it, because MGTOW, passport bros, red pill guys, etc etc are not. According to red pillers et al, the hottest 20% of guys are buying it all day, every day. Tell me you don't understand MGTOW or incels without telling me you don't understand MGTOW or incels. As I mentioned, if MGTOW actually did what they said they would do, it would probably be a healthy move. But in reality, they just sit around and bitch about women and spread all…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 10:39 PM
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Well of course it's different you dipwit, because any woman can get any fucking dates she wants, duh Then it doesn't sound like they need to lower their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 09:20 PM
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I mean it’s so prevalent to hear blue pill feminists say a behavior in men is bad but the same exact behavior is fine for women. No, it's very prevalent to see men here claim that by pretending two different situations are the same. Like how men here will claim they're not allowed to find fat women unattractive while women can find short men unattractive. Dudes here love to pretend like that's the issue when in reality the issue is, and always has been, the vitriol and hate that women get from m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 09:15 PM
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Are they buying it though? This is literally the cornerstone of red pill ideology. There's MGTOW, Which are just incels who, ostensibly, are trying to find fulfilment in their life but really are just bitching about women. there's passport bros If even 1 in 100 dudes who evangelize passport broism actually practice it, I will eat my shoe. there's men not bothering with dating Like MGTOW, if they actually did it, it would probably be healthy. If we're being realistic, women are far more likely an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 08:52 PM
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Really? Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 08:45 PM
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about how there are no good men Well gee, that's quite a bit different from "I can't get any dates at all, I'm so lonely, and also any woman who isn't a 110 lbs virgin with DDs and pays for everything is a run through land whale gold digger."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 08:44 PM
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A market maker can propose a value, but if the buyers aren't buying it, that proposed value is meaningless. Except they are buying it, that's the crux of the whole argument, that men will take whatever they can get therefore women determine their own value. They can bitch all they want about how "3s think they're 7s" but if those 3s are getting 7s (which is what red pillers claim), then they're 7s. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 06:54 PM
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There absolutely is a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 06:49 PM
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Being attracted to a pretty face is not the same kind of attraction as I have to large breasts. The latter would probably be closer, if not entirely, a fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:46 PM
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Tell you what, when women start bitching about not being able to get a date at a fraction of the frequency that men do, I'll happily tell them the same thing: if you're unhappy being single and can't find someone who meets your standards, one of those things has to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:45 PM
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Dude the Christian Reformation was in 1517, if you think Christianity has been unchanged in that time, boy howdy do I have news for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:55 PM
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Fetishes are narrow, specific sexual turn ons. Women are attracted to tall men, but it's not overtly sexualized just like I am attracted to women with symmetrical faces or redheads, but it's not overtly sexualized. It is possible for men to simply find chubby women attractive without overtly sexualizing it, but I've yet to meet one who does. But, let's be frank, this is just another post to bitch about how women like tall men and another attempt to explain how it's unfair to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:28 PM
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And the way Muslims are today are exactly how they'll be in 50 years, just the way Christians are exactly the same as they were 50 years ago oh wait
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:10 PM
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"What is happening today will continue exactly as it is into the future."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:42 PM
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A friend of mine checks all the boxes. He's very wealthy, tall, good looking, high status, company founder etc I would say your problem right off the bat is you haven't identified anything beyond "good looking" that would attract women. Despite what the prevailing wisdom on this sub would have you believe, women aren't all just trawling for hot, rich dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 02:29 PM
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That is the incredibly disturbing. "I don't care if my wife even likes me as long as I get regular sex."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 02:26 PM
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I mean, is staying in a marriage where one person doesn't like the other that much better?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 02:00 PM
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Do you agree with Redonkulas' assessment of what to expect in case of divorce? Redonkulas, red pill No, I can already tell you he's full of shit. One: Character assassination No. Two: Blame, Guilt, Shame. Maybe a little, but generally with regard to the end of the relationship, not in a way that will have any impact on divorce. Three: False allegations No. Four: Vandalizing of personal property Lol what? No. Five: loss of assets (or as he put it, "lose half of your shit"). Splitting of assets, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 01:42 PM
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No, it doesn't. Market value isn't a real thing because if it was, red pillers could never simultaneously complain that women's market value is inflated while also claiming that women are market makers since, by definition, a market maker determines the value.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:17 AM
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I did, it's not actually a response. Alternatively, how hard is it really to believe that threats of irreparable harm wouldn't stop some men from pursuing sex? Not many, considering how many men shit on women for having casual sex but bemoan that average men never get any.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:15 AM
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You don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:13 AM
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So they're just trying to insult them and it doesn't really matter how, I see. But we're talking about boys and men beating up other boys and men, right? So when the question is asked "why is it okay to shame men" the question is actually "why is it okay for men to shame men, often violently" to which women will ask the same thing. You have more in common with feminists than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:13 AM
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And these bullies knew how big their penis was and how many girls they had slept with? Is this also where you try to convince me it was girls beating up these boys for having small penises and being virgins?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:38 AM
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That is a complete non answer. Why do so many men, especially red pill men, desire casual sex when it will only cause them irreparable harm?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:35 AM
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Being beaten isn’t solely women. That's why I said for "perceived sluttiness" and was very careful to phrase it that way. Men, on the other hand, aren't beaten for small penises and virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:30 AM
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Stoned, no, though murders absolutely happen in the US for perceived sluttiness. As for being beaten, yes that happens all over the place. Conservative, religious communities are not known for being tolerant of women doing...much of anything. which amendment allows for this btw? Do...do you believe that the Constitution is the sole determining factor in how Americans behave?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:17 AM
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Body counts are bad for cheating and men are already more likely to cheat. Surely these men should be thankful to be spared the irreparable harm caused by casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:13 AM
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If body counts are so bad, why do so many men here complain about not getting casual sex? Shouldn't they be grateful to be spared the inevitable statistical likelihood of cheating, especially since men are already more likely to cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:40 AM
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The things you're saying actually bare out in the stats. They absolutely do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:04 AM
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"Who is hornier" is the dumbest, most meaningless discussion that red pillers harp on incessantly. Who the fuck cares? Men and women both get horny, some men and women both get horny way above average and some men and women get horny way below average. Does anybody but red pillers really care which gender gets hornier on average? Have they ever even offered a reason why it matters?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:03 AM
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Probably because men aren't savagely beaten or stoned to death for being virgins or having small penises.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:54 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:05 PM
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Well that's a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:03 PM
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The false equivalence is believing you can't be masculine and be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:17 PM
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Men can love women much lower in status than them So can women. I think one of the reasons these men came up with the SMV concept is because we watch women play the game for the best guy they can. Everybody tries to get the best partner they can. The part that is always ignored is that everybody has a different definition of who the best partner is. It turns out traits associated with dominance and status. Men don’t look for status. Women do. This is utter nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:13 PM
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Yes, if I raised a kid that isn't biologically mine for many years, Nah, even this is bullshit. By the time I held that little kid, I don't give a fuck who the "real" dad is, my baby was mine. Because bad things happen to good people that least expect it, even those with good judgement. Yes, if my friend demanded a paternity test because they thought I was swapping babies, I would be offended. I already clarified this to you. Yes, and then I pointed out there was no need for the friend to be off…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 02:24 PM
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It is not your child If you raised them, they are your child. If you think the only thing attaching you to children is DNA, there are millions of adopted children and blended families who would beg to differ. If a woman came up to you and said "raise my kid" that you knew wasn't yours Yes, there is no difference between raising a child and a stranger on the street hurling their child at you. You are completely missing the point The point is that you don't know whether it was your friend If I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 02:06 PM
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Red pillers are so easily triggered, even by something as simple as numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:30 PM
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I can't empathise with this hateful position. That doesn't surprise me. It is clear that many men here will readily abandon their children, depriving them of the only father they have ever known, if it turns out they don't have their DNA. My point is that the consequences are unjustified. My point is that they aren't. No, it is not an accident If my friend is intentionally swapping babies, they're not my friend and I don't give a fuck what they think. Don't obtusely ignore the alternate provided…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:03 PM
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You really don't get it, do you? No, I do. You need to make it seem like you're right even though you're wrong. Men are 50% more likely to cheat than women. You'll have to learn to deal with it. True, you are just as "realistic" about your gender as any other blue haired, unshaven, capet munching femnazi is. Your forefathers must be so proud. They sure are, because I understand how statistics work. Also good job throwing the homophobia AND misogyny in there. If you can figure out how to be racis…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:51 PM
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What would you tell someone that trusted their partner, so they didn't get a paternity test, but was cheated on and ended up raising another man's kid I would tell them that really sucks you were cheated on. I would also say that if the love of their child was contingent on the kid having their genes and not simply the fact that they cared for and raised them, they're probably a shitty person. The point of my text you are responding to is that trust is irrelevant to whether the kid is yours or n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:47 PM
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Then get a test. This is a "problem" that already has a solution. If there is a law stating the father must take a paternity test No, you can just request a test and stop using other men to subsidize your paranoia. A paternity test has nothing to do with her mother at any rate. The opinion of women on this matter is meaningless. I'm a man, so swing and a miss on that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:23 PM
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Precautionary measures are not an accusation. Barcode scanners when you walk out of a shop are not an accusation of stealing. Airline security is not an accusation that you are a terrorist. It is absolutely an accusation and note how you picked two examples that rely on the fact that the people being exposed to them are perfect strangers. If a store spent years getting to know each customer personally before they were allowed in the store, it would absolutely feel like an accusation that they st…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:52 AM
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Your issue seems to be that the woman gets a choice whether or not she's into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:04 AM
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Why would women need to lie if they aren't given shit about sleeping with someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:25 AM
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Wait till you hear about body counts!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:06 AM
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Taylor is a narcissistic and obsessed with attention. That’s toxic and it’s exhausting. She also has so many failed relationships. It seems like she is a train wreck trying to mascarade as a normal all American girl when in reality how is she any different than a Kardashian? "Obsessed with attention" is a really weird to say "best selling, internationally popular musician." Taylor Swift is a great window into how women are treated and viewed, the absurd level of vitriol she gets for being checks…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:54 PM
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The study that clearly states that women do more cheating than men between the ages of 18-29 Good thing I didn't say "men 18-29 are 50% more likely to cheat than women" why a man hates his own gender I don't hate my gender, that's typical red pill bullshit who can't handle any criticism whatsoever. I am perfectly capable, however, of being realistic about my gender and the reality is men are much more likely to cheat; 50% more likely, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 05:42 PM
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but it just makes you look like a sore loser. Bro, I have the evidence. You do not. Plugging your ears and declaring yourself the winner is classic red pill nonsense. Did you miss the constant screeching by femnazi's on this sub or something? Lol yeah you're totally here for good faith discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:32 PM
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Why do you even hang out in a debate sub? So that overly emotional red pillers who do pedantic shit like "men aren't 50% more likely to cheat on women because younger men are less likely" aren't the only voice being heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 03:58 PM
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It's a paywalled chart.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 03:50 PM
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You really don't get it, do you? No, I do. You need to make it seem like you're right even though you're wrong. Men are 50% more likely to cheat than women. You'll have to learn to deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 03:37 PM
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When you say "men are more likely to cheat", you do not recognize that there are age groups for which this statement is untrue. Men between the ages of 18-29 DO NOT CHEAT MORE THAN WOMEN. Good thing I didn't say "men 18-29 are 50% more likely to cheat" then. Refute the arguments Oh that's easy. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america 20% of men cheat, 13% of women cheat. 20 is 50% larger than 13 (actually 54%, but you seem pretty desperate for a win, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 03:19 PM
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did not just say that it is, I also explained why it is. You didn't. You just keep stamping your feet and insisting that "men in general" is completely different from "men" because 30 year olds are "old." That's not a coherent argument, that's you desperately trying to fabricate a distinction where none exists because the agenda you're trying to force requires you to ignore very simple facts like men are 50% more likely to cheat than women. Like seriously, calm down bro, it's just a number, it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 02:11 PM
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Yes it is, No it's not. put your pathetic blue pill feelings to the side and recognize that without the "in general" part, what you claim about men is just factually incorrect. Lol that is such bullshit. It is a huge difference Sorry honey, it's. not. Men are 50% more likely to cheat than women. Get over it. Not just old men, huh? Your own fucking evidence states that women between the ages of 18-29 are more likely to cheat than men Hahahahahahahaha TIL a 30 year old man is an "old man." Lol ok …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 01:39 PM
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I am not overly interested in determining whether or not this characterization applies as broadly as you seem to be implying. Considering this is the group that is being directly debated in this sub, it seems quite relevant. obfuscated This is the classic Reddit buzzword for "I'm going to make this statistic seem untrustworthy without providing any concrete criticism of it or evidence to the contrary." something ridiculous like the above? If it has a peer-reviewed study behind it, I am all ears.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:37 PM
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Well, naturally someone is going to scrutinize something they find unlikely or implausible. Bullshit, they uncritically swallow that women are all fucking the same 20/10/5/1% of men and that women are just using nice guys for their money while they keep fucking Chad on the side until they get tired and then divorce them and leave the men in ruin. That is implausible, but red pillers repeat it like it's gospel. I can't count how many times I've seen people quote the horrifically inaccurate "2-5%"…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 07:07 PM
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The problem is that it is not available up front. This is no different than most peer reviewed studies. But it only becomes a problem when the study says something red pillers don't like, then suddenly the strictest academic standards apply. Meanwhile, I've seen these same people call some dude's blog post where he claimed to have run an "experiment" as a legitimate study because, surprise, he was affirming red pill beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 06:21 PM
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My evidence supersedes your "nuh uh." Sorry bud. Facts don't care about your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 04:24 PM
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You are totally uneducated in science, aren't you? Not at all. That's why I know saying "nuh uh" doesn't trump actual evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:29 PM
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Great, show me the replications proving it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:09 PM
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I did. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it. Absent that, you have no valid argument against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 02:43 PM
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They might not pay them, but evidently they're quite popular to follow on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 02:16 PM
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Claiming that men are more likely to cheat is incorrect No, it's not. Cherry picking the data you personally like doesn't change the overall numbers. Facts don't care about your feelings. that old men cheat more It's not just old men, but it is hilarious how desperate you are to try and gloss over this statistic. Claiming that men in general cheat more would have added a much needed nuance to your claim Nah, I'm good with how I phrased it. I know you want to pretend like this is some huge differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:15 PM
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I did, it doesn't say anything like you're claiming.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 04:40 AM
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When you show a source demonstrating that, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 04:29 AM
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just like I know 50% is wrong But you're wrong. It is 50% and I provided the evidence for it. If it is wrong, you need to provide evidence demonstrating that. . However the only evidence you provided does not corroborated your claim. Lie. It clearly demonstrates my claim. Don't even know what you are trying to say here. That your basis for saying my claim is wrong was "well if you ignore most of the data, it says something different!" where in your research does it say that men are 50% more like…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 04:29 AM
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You just keep screaming "asinine" and hoping that will be a substitute for an actual source. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 04:23 AM
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That's not a refutation, that's you saying words and pretending it explains itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:54 AM
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First of all, you can call it a mistake or misstated numbers or whatever, fact remains that your claim that "men are twice as likely to cheat", is an incorrect claim Correct, and I corrected it when I realized the mistake. Which was the reason why I reacted to your comment in the first place. So then you acknowledge the correct number is 50%? You must, because how else would you know 100% was wrong? Second of all, even your 50% number is incorrect. Young women cheat more than young men. And earl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 03:45 AM
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You admit that your claim was a mistake, No, I admit I misstated the number. It's 50%, not 100%. but you are still arguing with me that you can prove your claim Because I updated the comment awhile ago, included an edit, and provided the source. But you were never actually interested in good faith debate, that's why you're still inexplicably furious that I had the gall to checks notes make a claim and back it up. you did not provide any evidence for the claim you made. That's a lie. You still di…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 02:09 AM
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You claimed that men are twice as likely to cheat That was a mistake on my part. The correct statistics is 50% more likely, not 100 % more likely. I updated my comment accordingly, and provided a source upon request in my previous comment. "I haven't personally seen the evidence" is not the same as "unsubstantiated." Lol, really? Really!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:38 AM
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Yes, much of what comes out of the social science field isn't substantively peer reviewed and even when it is, it typically fails replication Great, I look forward to your refutation study. Read the rest of the paragraph, Einstein. I did, it doesn't support your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:26 AM
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I don't understand people like you. Did you fail to realise that your own claim is unsubstantiated? It's not unsubstantiated at all. Or did you realise you yourself did not provide evidence Nobody asked. Why are you getting so mad that nobody asked me for a source like it's my fault? So, first put your money where your mouth is and provide evidence for the claim you made https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america Can I see your source now, please? Tell you…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:25 AM
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Bullshit. This is hilariously stupid. This all comes from this gender-studies turd: I'm aware where it comes from (TIL peer reviewed studies are a "turd"). My quote was word for word. And it doesn't even publish the survey. You are welcome to email the authors and request the information. Their names and university are right there, you can easily track down their emails. But, as you are now admitting that you haven't read the survey, you are also admitting you have no evidence to support your cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 12:23 AM
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That wasn't an exact quote It was an exact quote, copied word for word. So quote the actual response, verbatim No? If you think the article is lying, you can provide the evidence. Quit demanding that I do your job for you. So you gonna say "please" and ask for the US government source on the wage gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 11:24 PM
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If they want to ask for a source, they can ask for one. I haven't denied providing a source to anyone here because no one has asked. God red pillers are so fragile.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 11:12 PM
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Please, share this research.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:57 PM
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No, you gave a vague percentage I gave you an exact percentage from an exact quote. If you believe it is false, you can provide evidence for it. You shouldn't expect anyone to take you seriously with this childish bull. TIL peer reviewed studies are "childish bull." Sorry studies don't match up to the source you've provided which is checks notes nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:37 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:36 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:32 PM
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Men and relationships exist in ages besides their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:31 PM
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you will melt down completely I really won't. before actually quoting it, I gave you a quote right there. If you're claiming the quote is false, then it is on you to provide evidence. Do you have any such evidence? Cosmo? Yep. Link directly to the data or STFU. Lol or what? Link directly to what they supposedly said. Sure, just say "please." I don't normally require this, but you're being incredibly rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:26 PM
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Quote exactly what they responded affirmatively to. No? Those numbers dropped when researchers explicitly used the word "rape," but even then, 13 percent of participants said they would rape if they could. https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/news/a35207/study-one-in-three-men-would-rape-if-they-could/ Clear as day, my friend. There are no facts to support the imaginary wage gap. The US government would beg to differ.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:04 PM
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You don't have an argument. I do have an argument, that's why you keep dodging it. Great. Quote where anyone said that they would rape someone if they could get away with it. 13% did. If you don't use the word "rape," it jumps to 30%. It's imaginary. "Facts I don't like don't exist!"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 09:59 PM
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Men are 50% more likely to cheat compared to women. Emotional attachment != healthy attachment EDIT: I incorrectly stated men are twice as likely to cheat, they are 50% more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 09:54 PM
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o, it's just aggressive nonsense to deflect from your own blatant hypocrisy. It's not, which is why you won't actually address my argument. You are going to feel so stupid when you actually read that survey I have! Ok, what "fact" supposedly justifies your crazy claim about a wage gap? ...the wage gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 09:45 PM
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Again, this is just a weird distinction that has nothing to do with the point It has everything to do with my point and the fact you won't directly address it demonstrates you know it has everything to do with my point. No, that was just a hysterical rumor "Facts I don't like don't exist!" Hey, how come you ignored that men are more likely than women to kill children? We all knew you were going to doge that one. TIL explicitly addressing a question is "doging[sic]" it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 09:21 PM
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This is just a weird, arbitrary distinction you pulled out of your butt. No it's not. Women don't try and say the babies wanted it. Men, on the other hand, frequently try and say women wanted to be raped. Here, let's try another one. Can you find me a survey where 1/3 of women say they would kill a child if they could get away with it? Because.... It's also very strange you chose this example since men are more likely to kill children than women. That's just silly. No, it's not. Red pillers are …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 07:01 PM
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Social media algorithms are more complex that the smooth brains on this sub make them out to be. Certainly. Doesn't change the fact it still shows you what you want to see. and get big online without any mainstream pushback. So big that you can't even remember the name but you're acting like they're on the same level as Andrew Tate. This is a super common red pill tactic by the way. They will take the most extreme thing they can find women saying online and compare it to shit red pillers say eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 06:28 PM
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They still do it. That must mean that all women need to be taught not to. Sure, can you show me an instance of a woman saying the baby wanted it? It's a negative, class-based generalization. That's a slur No, it's not. But I know red pillers et al are desperate to make it seem like it is. Purposely Yes, the patriarchy is purposely gendered. It's another gender-slur. It's not, and the fact that you think it is says more about you than feminists. More imaginary bullshit. "Facts I don't like aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 06:24 PM
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hat's like saying we need to teach girls not to kill infants for attention. It's not, because those women don't try and defend themselves by saying the baby wanted it. Toxic masculinity is a bigoted gender-slur. No, but red pillers et al are desperate to make it seem like to discredit feminists. The message is clear. Obviously "patriarchy" is gendered as well. Yes, the patriarchy is gendered. The fact that you believe "patriarchy is bad" means "men are bad" says far more about you than it does f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:47 PM
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Men's mental health is easily the biggest issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:38 PM
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You can't go around insisting boys are dumb Not a thing. and need to be taught not to rape, This is a thing, because boys and men shouldn't rape people and, for some reason, dudes on Reddit find this to be a controversial statement. that their masculinity is a huge problem Deliberate distortion. Toxic masculinity is a huge problem. Masculinity is not. that men are the core root of all the problems Not a thing. Then send mixed signals like "Women really want a non masculine, femine, kind gentle m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 04:08 PM
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Can you please show the meta-analysis you performed to make this claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 03:59 PM
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It's the male reaction to feminism. Red pill has no desire to actually deal with men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 03:55 PM
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I was scrolling on tiktok and came across yet another genz/millennial woman saying insanely misandrist things about men to hundreds of thousands of likes except this time I noticed something different. It is incredible how many people are consumed with TikTok and still do not understand the basics of social media feeds. She and the other women like her I ended up finding are just the same kinds of grifters as Andrew Tate or any other male redpiller. Who is she? Will anyone around here have even …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 03:54 PM
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When it comes older women shaming men in their 30s or older for dating a woman in her 20s Hold up. This is a very common weasel wording to motte and bailey age gap discussions. A 39 year old dating a 20 year old and a 30 year old dating a 29 year old would both be "30s dating someone in their 20s," but clearly they are very different situations. The issue is always large age gap relationships with very young people. The reason it is often frowned upon is due to the large potential for abuse and …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 09:41 PM
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No, the reason wide age gap relationships are shunned for very young people is they are ripe for abuse and manipulation. Believe it or not, people don't spend every waking moment trying to manipulate the "sexual marketplace," that's just red pill delusion. It's also very strange you chose these examples: go to war or buy a gun Since they are controversial specifically because many/most 18 year olds lack the understanding and life experience to handle these situations responsibly. Finally, when m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 09:37 PM
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A lot of dudes around here would disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 07:51 PM
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What crime were charged with?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 05:24 PM
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You are trying to make it out he was being brash and rude and he wasn't I don't have to make out anything. He was being a dick, so I asked for some manners, and he continued to be a dick. Do what I've just done, make you look an idiot. Lol ok
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 10:47 PM
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You don't get to say "give me your source you fucking dipshit" " I didn't say that's what he said. I used that as an example to prove it actually does matter how someone asks. He wasn't being a dick He was. No you don't Lol or what? What are you going to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 10:17 PM
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so you are claiming he insulted you No I didn't, I said he was being condescending and obnoxious. But didn't link it. All he had to do was ask politely. Apparently being a dick was more important to him. You (who is the one with the burden of proof) do not get to dictate that people have to pretty please you for proof Actually I do. You think because some fragile, whiny red piller says jump, I have to jump? Sorry bud, the world doesn't work that way. If he wants to act like an asshole, that's hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:55 PM
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First he didn't insult you. So what? Either how you ask matters or it doesn't. Second the definitions can change from study to study. And I offered to link to the study. Third that link to "let me google it for you" doesn't load properly. Works fine on my end. Fourth he asked you in a neutral way for the link to the stats you were quoting. He absolutely did not ask in a "neutral way." And, despite being condescending and rude, I still offered to link the study if they simply asked politely. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:22 PM
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My question is why is everything framed as men's fault? It's not If women are having trouble getting dates these days. We should be encouraging them to pursue and put the onus on them Then do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:40 PM
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No it doesn't, Yes it does. You don't get to say "give me your source you fucking dipshit" and then act indignant when nobody wants to deal with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:55 PM
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"If it doesn't personally bother me, it doesn't count" is an absurd standard of what constitutes sexual harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:31 PM
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How does that negate the experience of women who have been sexually harassed as you tried to do above?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 05:56 PM
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https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Danth%27s_Law#:~:text=Danth's%20Law,has%20probably%20very%20badly%20lost. It doesn't matter how someone asks Lol what? Yes it does
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 05:55 PM
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Nope, we're shaming non-consent Shaming non-consent based on your personal, arbitrary definition. Which is shaming age preferences with extra steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 05:12 PM
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Fact 3: my personal axiom is that consent starts at 18 Great, so then we're in agreement on shaming age preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:47 PM
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You can believe whatever you want, but the age of consent is below 18 in many (most?) places. So either you're basing your shaming on age of consent or you're acknowledging that stating something is an age preference doesn't place it above criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:44 PM
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https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Danth%27s_Law#:~:text=Danth's%20Law,has%20probably%20very%20badly%20lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:41 PM
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Then if I'm reading your comment, you would not shame, say, a 50 year old man with a preference for 16 year olds since 16 year olds can consent (where applicable)?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:41 PM
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🤷‍♂️ All you have to do is say please. What's funny is that if I really didn't have a source, all you'd have to do is say please and then prove that I really am talking out of my ass. But apparently the thought of saying "please" is abhorrent to you, that you're passing on a golden opportunity to dunk on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:39 PM
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In many states, the age of consent is 16, and we're discussing preferences, not acts. Either shaming age preferences is ok, or it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:37 PM
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Oh of course the burden of proof is on me, I have the link right here. Just politely ask and I will link it. We're not here to debate politely, we're here to debate. Yeah, but you're being rude, so I'm going to ask for a little courtesy. If a Redditor's ego is so fragile they can't even say "please," then they're probably not here for good faith debate to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:36 PM
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Sorry, I was quite clear. If you want to see the study, all you have to do is politely ask. Normally just asking to see a source is fine with me, but you're being rather obnoxious so I would appreciate a little courtesy. Just politely ask to see the source and I will happily link it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:31 PM
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what is the definition definition definition If you want to see the study, all you have to do is ask politely.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:27 PM
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I linked the definition of sexual harassment for you. If you want a link for the study, you can simply ask. I can't help but notice you haven't asked for a link to the study or the definition for the study referenced by the other commenter, but I'm sure you're totally arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:25 PM
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I've already shown you. I literally linked it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:17 PM
-1

Supposed how? What has led you to believe that everyone uses different definitions?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:14 PM
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I never claimed Google Home was a valid source, that's a lie you invented to deflect from what I actually said. If you have a problem with the definition of sexual harassment, you can take it up with the legal community.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:12 PM
-1

Ok? What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:10 PM
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https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=sexual+harassment+
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:00 PM
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No, but I know that's what the red pill persecution complex needs to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:59 PM
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Perhaps you should read the rest of what I wrote too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:51 PM
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I didn't say he wasn't talking about relationships between adult people, I said he was a hypocrite for being indignant that anyone would shame age preferences while shaming age preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:47 PM
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"Approaching with romantic intent" is a very vague statement, especially since 81% of women experience sexual harassment. Also, why is men thinking twice a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:45 PM
1

I didn't say they were talking about all age preferences. I'm pointing out that they were furious that people could shame him for being attracted to much younger women and then, in the same sentence, shames other adults for being attracted to much younger people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:34 PM
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Who is being criminalized for simply approaching a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:32 PM
2

Great, so then we agree that age preferences are okay to shame. See? That wasn't so hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:30 PM
2

Why can't you just answer a simple question?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:26 PM
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It's not misleading at all. The commenter brought pedophilia and I'm expounding on that. And you're still dodging a very simple question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:23 PM
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Can’t help you with that You can't? You can't explain why she preferences can be shamed but she preferences can't be shamed?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:10 PM
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Everyone else around you knows pedos are bad Then I am confused, because the original commenter was aghast that men could be shamed for age preferences, yet here we are agreeing that age preferences are indeed shamed. Do you think it's because age carries with it other factors compared to, say, height or weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 02:57 PM
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I didn't ask if adult women were children I asked if pedophilia should be shamed. It's a very simple question but it is proving tremendously difficult to get a straight answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 02:42 PM
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No, I just asked if pedophilia should be shamed. It's amazing how difficult y'all are finding this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 02:41 PM
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I didn't ask if a 25 year old was a child, I asked if they thought pedophilia should be shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 01:49 PM
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That's not what I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 01:48 PM
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Everything in life "depends" but debating/discussing is pointless unless we speak in generalities. The commenter was quite clear what they meant, it depends on whether their child is happy. But you wouldn't want them to be stuck not dating because they don't have a choice. If they're unhappy with that status, then clearly it would be a matter of concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:57 AM
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Women HATE short men No they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:54 AM
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It depends on the person. Some people are happy alone. Some people are happy running a cash register their whole lives. Why would a parent insist on telling their child that their happiness is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:50 AM
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The beliefs of red pill men et al, such as "fat women are land whales" aren't accurate because it's from terminally online dudes that don't reflect real life. But the beliefs of red pill men et al, such as "men are shamed for their preferences" is totes 100% accurate to real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:46 AM
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equated to pedophelia Pedophilia shouldn't be shamed?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:43 AM
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Men are not shamed for having preferences. Men are shamed for being assholes about those preferences. Not wanting to date fat women? Perfectly fine! Insisting on telling people you don't want to date fat women, that you are repulsed by "land whales?" Asshole! he fat acceptance movement/plus size model movement? This is a perfect example. Fat acceptance is about fat women being allowed to exist without hating themselves. Asshole dudes, however, cannot comprehend a woman not basing their lives aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:38 AM
2

People are completely capable of being happy without a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:31 AM
1

We need to stop treating "sexual inequality" like it's a real thing. It's not. Men are not being systematically denied sex while harems congregate at the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 11:29 PM
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By definition, casual sex is sex without a relationship. The commenter didn't suggest otherwise. Logically speaking, the casual sex didn't lead to a relationship. You're just making this claim, declaring it must be true, and providing no evidence to support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 06:38 AM
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That's not an experience, it's an opinion. It's still their own experience. If a whore finds jesus That doesn't explain how the definitions prove that she's lying. Can you please answer the question I actually asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:50 AM
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Please, explain how definitions prove the commenter is lying about their own experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:41 AM
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Nobody said casual sex was a requirement for monogamy. The commenter just said it helped them find monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:24 AM
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TIL casual sex and cheating are the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:16 AM
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What has led you to believe it's always one or the other? When I was younger, I gravitated toward casual sex a) because I was busy with other aspects of my life and b) wanted to experiment and enjoy things while I was young. As I got older and my life became more stabilized, I wanted to find someone long term to share that with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:15 AM
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You just said what i said and because you added equally likely you think you got me? I mean, it's a pretty important difference. Bro, the point is we don't want to take a chance. Bro if you're not willing to take a chance, romance isn't for you. Idc if it's equally likely. "The chances are one in a million" "WELL I GUESS ILL JUST FLIP A COIN" Lmao boy, you started with pushing for us to actually do marry such a woman, Look at that lie you just made up. See, i asked you first And I'm illustrating…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 03:34 PM
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lipping a coin means taking chances. English is not my first language but even i understand that. No, it means taking a chance where either outcome is equally likely. Clearly you don't understand that. I don't need none of that thanks. So then why are you complaining about a hypothetical wife that you wouldn't marry in the first place? Is there no girls like that or are there girls like that? So they're all like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 03:00 PM
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Who asked anyone to flip a coin? That's some bizarre nonsense you just made up. where he might be pleasing someone that fucked a guy in the bathroom of a club? So what if she did? That there are noone that fucked a guy in bathroom of a clu Oh so all women have fucked dudes in the bathroom of a club?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 02:49 PM
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Cool?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 02:26 PM
1

Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 01:06 PM
1

This reminds me of how my parents used to call every game console a Nintendo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 12:59 PM
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trying to please someone that fucked a guy in the bathroom of a club. And instantly you fabricate a sexual scenario designed to try and denigrate women and be inflammatory, completely unprompted. Red pillers love doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 12:55 PM
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They want a socially liberal man who is capable of sexually dominating them How is this "benevolent misogyny" if it's consensual? and a man who can financially provide without telling them to stay home. Incorrect. Most women want a man who is financially stable and financially comparable. The "provider" nonsense is just red pill rhetoric trying to paint any woman who cares about her partner's career as a low key gold digger (but when men care about women's career, that's ok).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:43 AM
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Do y'all really not hold doors open for everyone or treat your platonic friends to dinner?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:33 AM
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It's true. Look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 03:10 AM
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Men who get pregnant have the same exact rights as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 02:37 AM
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I'm no longer interested in continuing this thing Ok bye
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 12:29 AM
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Boy are you in for a shock when you learn anything about what society has said for the last 1,000 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 12:18 AM
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And if a man is the type of person that is obsessed with that kind of completely meaningless power play, they've got waaaaay bigger issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 11:55 PM
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Trust me, men who have experience in respectful long term relationships roll our eyes so hard at the guys who think they're edgy and alpha by calling us "subservient" for exercising basic courtesy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 11:17 PM
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Men than can't make any decision without their wife's approval. This is a classic "I've never been in a serious relationship with mutual respect" take. When you're in a serious relationship, you are courteous to your partner. When I call my wife to ask if it's alright to go out to the bar with the guys, I'm a) first and foremost letting her know I won't be home at the time she originally expected me and I'm not lying in a ditch somewhere b) checking to make sure nothing is going on that needs my…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 10:05 PM
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Saying they need sex (which I don't agree with) is not the same as being entitled. Saying "women should have sex with me because of x, y, and z" is absolutely being entitled to sex. Should that make a difference? Yes, asking for sex is quite different from asking for help. That's usually the end stage If being nice was contingent on getting sex for it, then you weren't actually nice to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 09:56 PM
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You said that the reason was not because they are lonely men but that the actual reason was because they're bitter misogynists. Correct. I didn't, however, say lonely men have never been insulted for any other reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 09:41 PM
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Where did I say it was the only reason? I even considered myself to be a feminist at that point And it would seem you no longer believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 09:04 PM
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Being bullied as a kid does not negate the existence of red pillers online spreading misogynistic rhetoric and then claiming they're the victim when they get called on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 07:56 PM
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More loaded language. It's not really loaded at all. You can see it every day on this sub, dudes will say, "I'm not entitled to sex" and then proceed to list all the reasons they should get sex. they rudely brush you off, does thinking they were rude mean you felt entitled to their help? These men are asking women for help? "showing any hint of a complaint or negative emotion regarding this situation." No, that's more motte-and-bailey bullshit. Bitching that women are all sleeping with asshole c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 06:39 PM
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Actually nice guys get women all the time. "Nice" guys who are "nice" right up until the moment they don't get the sex they think they are entitled to aren't actually nice, and they're rightly called out for their misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 06:25 PM
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no, people are really simple Oh well then, explain people, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 06:03 PM
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It's not really a paradox. It's men irritated that they don't find fat women attractive and those fat women don't hate themselves for existing while being unattractive. So rather than deal with their own issues regarding women, they decide to make it everyone else's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:57 PM
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The myth is, and always has been, that women scorn men simply for being lonely. No, the issue is when lonely men start spouting misogynistic red pill bullshit and then get called out on it, those men start crying that women are "demonizing" them just for being lonely. This is a very common motte-and-bailey tactic used by red pillers to paint women (and feminists in particular) as the villains against men who just want companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:31 PM
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No, it pretty much isn't. Not knowing who the father is, in fact, the exact opposite of knowing who the father is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:57 PM
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That's still not the same as "she knows who the real father is."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:29 PM
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No, I can easily condemn a man who would abandon a child. My daughter is 10 months old and if it turned out she wasn't biologically mine, she's still my daughter and tough luck to whoever the bio dad is, he hasn't been here taking care of her. I could have told you after a week that she is my daughter and will always be my daughter, regardless of DNA. The real fact is these dudes don't actually want to be parents and will look for any excuse to abandon their responsibilities. Look how many dudes…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:28 PM
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Great, then go get your paternity test done so you can check if your spouse is a "cheating whore."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:23 PM
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Should we normalize the expectation We should absolutely not normalize the expectation that women are always lying about paternity. It's because this particular situation There's not a situation. There's a completely hypothetical claim based on largely fictional Reddit posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 03:53 AM
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has a high chance Yeah this is always the backpedaling when a bullshit story is called out. but yet when a woman does you throw all agency out the door for her actions? No, that's a lie you invented to deflect from what I actually said. if she’s uncertain maybe she should let the man know to get a paternity test? Well golly mister, that's a far cry from "she knows who the real father is and he's a deadbeat for not raising the kid but the poor cuckolded ex is morally justified in abandoning a chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 10:31 PM
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And plenty of guys are nice, it doesn't stop them from getting girlfriends. It sounds like a lot of lonely dudes are just looking for an excuse to treat women like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 10:26 PM
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I’m sure the woman knows who came in her, Do you think when a woman gets pregnant, she gets a text message from her uterus saying "the real father is ____"? That's why it's so easy to spot all these fake paternity fraud Reddit stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 08:29 PM
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Meanwhile most nice guys just lament being lonely, and they are told it's because they are entitled misogynist creeps. Nah. "Nice" guys who lament being lonely by blaming bullshit like the 80/20 rule or that women only date losers, or any of the various flavors of alpha/beta nonsense while fully admitting they won't do housework if they make more money, demand sex on the same exact time scale as the fastest guy she ever slept with, don't care if she orgasms, will not tolerate any revealing cloth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 07:49 PM
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Like the guy doesn’t exist If the guy doesn't know, how could he step up? There's always these baffling assumptions in Reddit paternity fraud fanfic. And yeah, if you abandon your kid, especially after 7 years, because you find out they aren't biologically yours, you're an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 07:39 PM
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and the sky is green There's the old red pill "I can't actually defend my argument" stand by.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:56 PM
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Okay, that doesn't say anything about men being treated as women. That's something you just made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:34 PM
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You're claiming that they will be treated as women while providing exactly zero evidence that this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:08 PM
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That's absolutely not the same thing as thinking that women only want to be with 20% of men I didn't say it was the same thing, I said red pillers believe both things against all available evidence. and there's considerable everyday evidence to prove it's true. There is no evidence. Mountains of support and resources and programs and policies which favour or are designed explicitly for women. How is that demonizing men? VAWG, for example... Okay, you use this to say men aren't treated fairly bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 04:45 PM
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It's u/HydeDiscolsFromHell and u/pilulenoir back to make more vague, mass shooting-esque threats. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/16gsk16/comment/k09ibeq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18vecg2/comment/kfz530y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button u/MrsDegree, can this be escalated to admins? This guy is dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:08 AM
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And yet you still can't actually explain what biases are being explored 🤣😂🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:21 AM
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Implicit stereotypes, such as associations between social categories and competence, leadership, or specific social roles, comprise a whole area of research on their own, and our work did not touch on any of this. Oops.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:18 AM
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"I still have nothing to back up what I'm saying and if I'd actually read my own link past the headline I'd see that not only are the biases not enumerated, but the author of the paper specifically says the conclusion I'm trying to claim is not supported by the paper."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:10 AM
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So it's your opinion the study did not find widespread anti male bias contra the plain statement of the abstract. It's my opinion the link you provided lacks the context to make the claim you are making. https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/pro-female-and-anti-male-biases-are-more-influential-than-race-and-other-factors-in-implicit-association-tests-74335 Great! This still doesn't say anything about misandry and also still does not say what these implicit biases are. There are many different implicit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 11:01 PM
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Did you not read the different contexts listed in that sentence? Yes, and the way you are trying to connect it to your interpretation of evaluative bias is nonsensical. No thanks it's not my job to educate you on basic methodologies that are well known. If you're interested in learning a cursory Google search will inform you "I can't actually defend my argument so I'm going to run away instead"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:14 PM
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Evaluations in what context? You apparently don't know what the IAT is or how it's used and made it to adulthood with zero contextual reading ability. Oh please, explain it then.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:09 PM
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Evaluative bias. Yeah, that doesn't really explain it. Evaluative how? In medical settings? Sociology studies? Workplace teams? Romantic dates? Everyday life? See how it doesn't actually tell you anything without the rest of the study? Just slack-jawed, huh? Not really, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 09:37 PM
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Bias in what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:39 PM
1

Bias in what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:37 PM
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I didn’t compare them Yes, that's what I was saying. So you made a completely irrelevant comparison (in other words, you didn't compare them) for no reason. "Men aren't allowed to complain about being single but ants can lift three times their own body weight!"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:37 PM
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No, the pressure to conform to hegemonic masculinity and the social shaming mechanisms for that failure (one of which being tools like you) are very real. Sorry, who did I shame for not conforming to hegemonic masculinity? You seem to be confusing me for red pillers again. I cited a study showing anti-male bias being widespread and prevalent in society. Yes you keep copy and pasting that as though it is an "I'm always right" trump card, but I suspect you haven't read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:33 PM
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I don't have to handwave anything away, you have a single pay walled study that says nothing about misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:31 PM
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No, I correctly stated what people generally don't want to hear from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:30 PM
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is not the same thing So you made a completely irrelevant comparison for no reason. That makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:29 PM
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lol yes. That’s a good chunk of communication man. And a good chunk is also made up by context and inference. You do it every single day including in this very comment thread. So the idea of toxic masculinity is a red pill idea?? You know the feminists say toxic masculinity is bad, right? That holding in your emotions and remaining stoic is the exact thing men shouldn't be doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:28 PM
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At that point we are having an ideological battle. I suggest you talk to a mental health professional and find out whether despair is considered healthy. Redpillers convinced that they are right. Abd people like you convinced that all of them are delusional No, reality has proven they are delusional. Hell, half the stuff they cite as sources for their beliefs prove that they are delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:25 PM
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lol no where does that say that anyone is oppressed. Oh are we playing the game where if it doesn't explicitly say the words, it doesn't count? But considering for years and even know the idea that masculinity is men being tough and quiet about their problems and that’s not expected of women is not a red pill thought but rather a feminist thought. Yeah, that's red pill bullshit. Thank you for demonstrating that flawlessly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:57 PM
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Suggestingtherapy means they 'think' you have bigger issues than being single Correct. Any advice given will be what people "think" is best. Being in despair, being sad, being frustrated abd being angry are all normal responses to failure. Frustrated and sad, sure. Despair? No, that's unhealthy. And therapy is rarely suggested for those who are simply sad or frustrated. When that sadness and frustration manifests into absurd beliefs and misogyny, then the issue is not simply that you need to go …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:55 PM
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But I mean, that's what you're saying. Society is systemically demonizing men while celebrating women for the same thing? That's pure red pill, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:52 PM
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People just don’t like to hear men complain about not getting dates is all. But for some reason there’s a huge industry for listening to women complain about the boyfriends and husbands they picked. This is 100% a red pill thing. "Men are oppressed and women have everything for no reason" is pure red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:51 PM
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Yes, I'm fully aware. So then what are you complaining about?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:01 PM
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So...then what is the original commenter complaining about?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 07:00 PM
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Sorry, are you saying "women are only dating the top 20% of men and giving false advice to every other man" isn't widespread? Or "feminists have resulted in demonizing men throughout society" isn't widespread?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:48 PM
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And yet it is astonishingly widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:40 PM
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People just don’t like to hear men invent elaborate conspiracies about how women are systemically denying them dates and creating a society that hates them is all. Fixed that for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:37 PM
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Suggesting therapy means you have bigger issues than simply being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:36 PM
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Is that what we're using as a metric as to whether something is moral? If they give out Olympic medals and are a source of national pride?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:32 PM
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Why are you pretending that a single guy is going to be living in the exact same house when he gets married? Why are you pretending people automatically upgrade when they get married? Studies have found that after divorce men end up with more disposable spending money than when they were married. Of course, they're only ordered to pay a fraction of what it costs to raise a child and they rarely pay the full amount. They get a nanny at a fraction of what one would actually cost. That's so strange…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:26 PM
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Costs are not doubled. A mortgage costs the same whether 1 person or 8 people are living in a house. It costs the same to heat a house whether 1 person or 8 people are living in it. Internet is the same whether 1 person or 8 people are using. You'll probably see a marginal increase in electricity usage. The only thing that will truly double is water and food. and one way or another the higher earning party ends up subsidizing the lower earning party. You can make the same exact argument for all …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:02 PM
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It's funny seeing someone making up extreme scenarios while believing salaries are split 50/50 in relationships and costs are doubled.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 03:46 PM
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It's funny seeing someone making up extreme scenarios while believing salaries are split 50/50 in relationships and costs are doubled.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 03:36 PM
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Bernie has zero character Incorrect. I’ve read, he’s a controlling, abusive asshole in his personal relationships. Read where?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 02:26 PM
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I'm attracted to her physically, but something is preventing it from progressing further. I had one FWB where we were both physically attracted, but both agreed that we'd probably drive each other nuts in a relationship. Maybe I'm just not looking for a full relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 06:50 AM
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So if you're indistinguishable...you're just showing pictures of yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:23 AM
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You can go find an actual photo of an actual male model. How is AI going to do better than actual photos of actual humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:10 AM
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But you can already do that. Right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 04:59 AM
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Catfishing is already realistic because it's people pretending to be other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 04:45 AM
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But they do matter, that's literally the basis of your argument. You just keep changing which numbers matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:17 AM
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Oh, honey, did you think you were gonna rattle me with vague claims about your job? Is there anything sadder than a Redditor trying to status flex on another Redditor? Lemme know when you find out about numbers, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 01:10 AM
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Do...do you understand how money works? Like, you get that money is cumulative, right? Just because one person makes more money, that doesn't cancel out the other person's salary? It is truly bizarre that I have to explain that more money > less money. Then again, it was also bizarre that I had to explain that more hours does not equal fewer hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:57 AM
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Nobody said it was the husband's fault. You said you wanted equality. What you're proposing is not equal. How does the household benefit from the 20 hours extra she does ? Money. A person with a brain would go.. my job is shit, so I either find a better one or quit. Of course, everyone can just go and get a job closer to home with higher pay for fewer hours. It's so easy, that's why everyone does it! Oh, wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:54 AM
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You seem to be struggling with this basic concept. You sure? I'm pretty good at math. The chores at home would still be split 50/50. It's not expecting her to do more, it's equality. If she works 60 hours, and he works 40 hours, and they both do 10 hours of chores and you are claiming this is equal: 60 + 10 = 40 + 10 70 = 50 But 70 does not equal 50. 70 is greater than 50. You seem to be struggling with this basic concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:31 AM
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The wife working more hours at her job and then expecting her to work more hours at home isn't equality, hence why it's not fair. It's not equality if the husband now had to top up his wife's salary. Is the husband paying the wife for household chores? How is her salary being "topped up?"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:09 AM
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You only picked one aspect of the job that could result in an imbalance of hours, ignoring the longer hours and lower pay. So why should the wife be punished if, as you already acknowledged, it's not fair for her to do more work when she's working longer hours?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:02 AM
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How is that equality? "I worked 60 hours and you only worked 40, but you made more money so therefore I should have to spend more time doing chores?" I don't think you understand what equality is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:46 PM
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So you should punish the wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:38 PM
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Every year he open up to donations knowing very well that he won't win, promising things he can't fulfill. That's not a scam, he doesn't run every year, and he has won three elections. https://imgur.com/a/dtT8iGm Where does that say he wants to eat millionaires? And what year is this even from, Senators make waaaaaaay more than $42k. I think that someone that care about wealth inequality to engage on it less. To "engage on" what less? You should know you think he's a example of masculinity. Ah, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 10:44 PM
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A scammer What scam has he run? that had as discourse eat the millionaire until he becomes a millionaire. Bernie Sanders said eat millionaires? Someone that can even stick to his own word out of own benefit? Do you think taxing the rich means no rich people? Someone that was never able to move past his losses. And what loss has been unable to move past? Is this that you think masculinity is? Oh please, needlessly combative Reddit "man," tell me more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 10:00 PM
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Mr. Rogers, Bernie Sanders, Brendan Fraser, Keanu Reeves, possibly Terry Crews.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 08:17 PM
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Because women aren't required to admit to personal information for the satisfaction of random Internet weirdos? Talk to women you actually know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:38 PM
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Are y'all being paid to endorse these idiotic channels? Women's desperate need for equality (equality for women but not men though, because obviously not all men are equal and no woman believes that) What equality are women denying men? Is this another "women won't fuck any man who offers and that's not equality" argument? To blatantly deny reality or act as if their value has not been lowered in any way when they very clearly know it has; to save status. To blatantly deny red pill "reality" In …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:33 PM
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You haven't actually explained why, you just made a declaration and pretended like it must be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 01:02 AM
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I take part in MMA having switched from boxing. Physical combat is the essence of what it is to be a man. Prostitution is a perversion of all it is to be a woman Lol sure, so permanently disabling people is ok, but potentially making someone kinda horny is abhorrent. I think your moral compass is screwed up there, buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:42 PM
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Bro, you follow boxing and MMA, how is pummeling people into permanent brain damage more moral than "borderline sex work"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 09:12 PM
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Y'all have the weirdest hangups with women, I swear. "My mother was once scandalous, she's dead to me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 08:26 PM
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There are men who would be attractive to like 90%+ of women though and those are typically considered high value. Then why are you calling them "high value" like there's some quantifiable measure instead of "conventionally attractive" that everyone already uses and understands?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 06:12 PM
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Ok, let it be a part of your value as a partner. That's my point. What is considered "high value" is unique to each person, but there are dudes here who are obsessed with knowing what is universally considered "high value."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:33 PM
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Men on Reddit do not represent normal every day boys(?). Most men are not obsessing over the myth that women are only fucking the top 20% of men, or are trying to find a submissive man to raise her kids, or are scorning men because of their canthal tilt. Red pill "advice," where it actually is their advice and not just common sense like "go to the gym," is irrelevant to everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:31 PM
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Okay, whatever floating definition you want to use, it's still not universal. Because a woman probably doesn’t want to deal with other women sexually lusting after her man, I would assume that would get tiring after a while. I have never heard a woman say this but I hear insecure dudes say this all the time about why they would never date a hot woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:11 PM
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I'm not mixing up anything. Attractiveness is part of a person's value as a partner. Attractiveness is also not universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:08 PM
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I'm still not certain what exactly you're referring to You have no idea what a person's value as a partner is but know exactly what someone's value as a mate is?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:49 PM
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Their value as a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:46 PM
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Do you think a person's value is dictated entirely by their physical appearance and bank account?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:43 PM
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Exactly. And half the crap dudes here claim makes a high value woman has little or no value to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:40 PM
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Yes, those are literally the only two people that exist in the world. Hot and rich, fat and poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:37 PM
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What is this obsession with having a uniform definition of a "high value" partner? What people consider "high value" is going to vary wildly from person to person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:29 PM
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She's wearing sleeves down to her elbows and shorts down to her mid thigh. In what universe is that "next to nothing?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:53 PM
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Yeah you keep saying "next to nothing" and then completely failing to identify what is "next to nothing" for you. You're ranting about bikinis but then post a video where there are no bikinis.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:41 PM
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I guess it's a step up from when red pillers used to claim that women were cheating with their dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:40 PM
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always carrying a sexual connotation in everything that you do, it reflects poorly on your character. You are the one always seeing a sexual connotation, it reflects poorly on your character.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:38 PM
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However, bluepilled guys here seem to think that its GUARANTEED to work Lie. There is no guaranteed method and blue pillers are not purporting self improvement will get you dates. First off, doing self improvement to get dates misses the point of self improvement. You do it for yourself. Second, this demonstrates the complete incapacity of many men here to comprehend any advice or piece of information as being one extreme or the other. When people are saying "work on yourself" as dating advice, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:33 PM
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So your comment is off the mark as I was talking about preferences, not whom they actually end up with. Once again, I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:13 AM
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"it does count but it doesn't count" is just "it doesn't count" with extra steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:10 AM
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I'm not upset at all. I also gave you a clear, non-vague rule that dudes on this sub love to say doesn't count, and you immediately said it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:35 PM
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The original commenter said attraction is complicated and vague, you replied "a lot of women like tall men" but now you're agreeing it doesn't really matter that much since women end up with men of all shapes and sizes? You were just injecting a random piece of trivia?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 07:26 PM
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Okay, so?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:54 PM
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Women fucking, dating, and marrying men of all shapes and sizes is not a vague pattern either, but apparently that one doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 06:43 PM
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Red pill: going to the gym is a good idea Blue pill: Red pill is full of shit and the few good pieces of advice like "go to the gym" are just common sense that red pill has tried to claim as it's own
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:32 PM
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It might not be true for most people, but it is true of a fuckload of people and you can see that attitude every day on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:44 PM
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The original commenter literally believes that the difficult part is getting one girlfriend, and then the women come rolling in. Anybody who has ever dated can tell you that's bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:49 PM
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The issue, as is the issue with all "scientific" claims made by red pill ideology, is that it takes what is otherwise described as a trend, tendency, or correlation and presents as an inviolable, universal truth. This is the same thinking that produces nonsense such as "women find tall men more attractive" is equivalent to "women only want tall men." Everything must always be one extreme or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:28 PM
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Everybody has lust and stability criteria. I'll really blow your mind: there's even MORE criteria than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:41 PM
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Or maybe your belief that this is an immutable, universal experience is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:30 PM
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I'm married, I did not see an uptick in attention when I got married. When I was single, I found nearly all my dates on apps, so "woman seeing me with another woman" doesn't apply either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:24 PM
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The only thing red pillers can agree on is that all the other red pillers are wrong about what red pill is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 11:49 PM
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Who said red pill was a measurement for truth??
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:54 PM
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The red pill is about so much more than pick up artists. That is what eventually came to dominate the community, but that's not how it originated. It has always been this way. It's absolutely gotten worse, but I was around when it started getting popular, and it's always been angry dudes spouting misogynistic nonsense, claiming this is how women work and this is how you get them to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:52 PM
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If there is a famously hot actor who has played both the ideal and the antithesis of what red pillers think women want, let me know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 02:22 AM
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I should clarify "low-class" as in "low social class," not "vulgar jerk." He's a dance instructor at a summer camp for rich kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 02:21 AM
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You're not missing much. Apart from Swayze's ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 01:09 AM
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Hmmm, that's a tough one. I think they show more of his abs, shoulders, and arms in Dirty Dancing, but they very memorably show his ass in Roadhouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 12:46 AM
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Of course there are different reasons, that's why I said, "they very often speak" and was very careful to phrase it like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 07:07 PM
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I think it depends where it's coming from. When women say men are terrible, they very often are speaking from lengthy experiences of sexual harassment, sexual assault, rape, abuse, violence, stalking, etc. from many men over the course of their lives. When men say "all women are terrible," they are very often speaking about the fact that women won't fuck or date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 06:49 PM
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They don't when it comes to actual dating preferences. The issue is that people love to project their dating preferences on to all women, not just the ones they're actually interested in dating. A friend described it, "People see a woman existing in public while being unattractive as a moral failing." You can see this attitude all over this sub. Look at the absolute vitriol and scorn fat women receive on this sub simply for existing. By these guys' own admission, these women aren't even chasing …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:14 PM
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Sure, women promoting it are stupid. It couldn't be that you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:15 PM
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No, but that's the only way I would know if a person in a bar gave me their real name. Someone giving you fake name upon meeting them doesn't harm you. Why would someone be on dating apps with a fake name
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:02 PM
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Lol OP literally said it's being promoted by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:35 PM
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By checking their ID?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:35 PM
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their opinion would be just as valid as the fishing subreddit or the donkey kong one. Right, so you don't believe trans people know what is transphobic. So you should have no problem saying those exact words. You think I’m a transphobe No, you are a transphobe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:32 PM
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Don't put words in my mouth. But that's what you're saying. You already know trans people would identify that as transphobic, but you say that's not correct. So clearly you are saying they don't know what constitutes transphobia. Like the whole "genital preference" lesbian debacle where some female lesbians were being accused of being transphobic for not wanting to sleep with someone with a penis. Sure, you can post that in AskTransgender too oh wait people already have. https://www.reddit.com/r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:25 PM
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I did read the whole thing, it's the same nonsensical red pill word vomit that always gets repeated. Men are not helpless to the whims of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 05:54 PM
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Can I just get you to say, "Transgender people don't know what constitutes transphobia?" Word for word, just like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 05:11 PM
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Nope, I understand them fully. No evidence was provided for the claim, so it can be summarily dismissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:01 PM
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. I simply described the concept of dating as a gynocentric SCAM that revolves around women's emotional nature and a society that ENABLES it. So it's a scam where women are supposedly in control and women make all the decisions, but women don't have exclusive unilateral power to make these decisions. Mk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:00 PM
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No, you fundamentally disagree on what constitutes transphobia. Not regarding trans people to be the gender they identify with is transphobic, whether you personally believe it to be or not. If you don't believe me, just wander on over to r/AskTransgender and ask them what they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 02:56 PM
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Correct, you do not view trans women as women. That's transphobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:54 AM
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By finding purpose and fulfillment in life outside of women. but how is an average guy supposed to actually play the dating game considering he will never be "truly" loved. That's red pill bullshit. Average men find romantic love every single day and you can absolutely receive platonic love from friends. However, if you, yourself, are struggling with finding romatnic love and it is negatively affecting your mental health, then you ought to recalibrate what is the driving purpose in your life. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:51 AM
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Which day 100% do The evidence suggests otherwise. while men are more truthful Well that's a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:36 AM
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Not a valid rebuttal because nobody is even saying that That's exactly what you are saying. Women do not have unlimited power to make unilateral decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:31 AM
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Still not seeing the transphobia It's the part where you don't believe trans women are women. The coward part is where you tried to lie about it. it’s an objective reality that trans women are male, Except, as established, you have no clue what constitutes male or female, nor do you have any clue what constitutes something as "objective" or "reality," nor have you actually identified whether trans women are in fact biologically male, even per your definition which, again, is worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:29 AM
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Incorrect. Women are not omnipotent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:45 AM
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Right back atcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:20 AM
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Who is arguing for Red pill here? Not me Okay, whenever I say "red pill" you can mentally substitute "person who argues for red pill talking points but does not personally identify as being red pill." Please believe me when I say men and women are more like than you care to admit I didn't say there aren't similarities. I said pretending they treat physical attraction exactly the same is demonstrably false.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 04:56 AM
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TikTok is not a valid source of evidence. That shouldn't need to be explained. Here’s a read The Turkish state newspaper??? Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:07 AM
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You're tainted by your bias and hatred against men. Of course, any man who doesn't believe red pill bullshit must hate men. And somehow I'm the one who is arguing in bad faith. Most men aren't posting on Reddit... You know that right? And most men don't scream that women lied to them about finding attractive men attractive, but here we are. You're literally saying that men HAVE NEVER been rejected just because of their looks. And there's the red pill binary. "Your personality makes a difference"…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:06 AM
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Okay you think it's worthless, please enlighten me on the definition I should be using. I don't have one, that's why I don't run around telling other people what their sex should be. More importantly, a person's sex is all but irrelevant since their gender identity is what actually matters and, as already noted, people can clearly express as one gender even if their gamete production or chromosomes or whatever arbitrary definition you decided on don't clearly align. There's no difference so I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:36 AM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my questions and then ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 12:32 AM
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Listing a bunch of genetic abnormalities that do not apply to 99+% of transgender people does not change anything, Why not? You tried to claim "this is what constitutes a female human" and were immediately proven wrong. Your definition is worthless, so why would anyone continue to use it in any other context? I am not defining gender, I am defining sex. You don't actually care about defining sex, you just want to make it clear you don't consider trans women to actually be women, which is transph…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 12:08 AM
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That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 11:49 PM
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You've made zero effort to invalidate them That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 11:49 PM
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and yet pretend as if they have some sort of innate altruism that makes them look at personality more than men do. How would valuing personality in a partner be altruistic? This seems like you're projecting your own beliefs on to women. And don't pretend as if women many women don't frame it as such that men are shallow compared to them. I mean is that even debatable? Look at how men here talk about physically unattractive women. Then wander over to a place like r/TwoXchromosomes, a supposed bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 11:47 PM
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genitals People are born intersex ability/design to produce gametes Intersex again, along with people who are sterile and chromosomes Chromosomal abnormalities can exist in people who would otherwise clearly identify as a specific gender. Transphobes love to invoke "science" and "biology" without actually understanding anything about them. Red pillers do the same thing. By my definition So we went from using a "scientific" definition to your definition, which, as demonstrated, is immensely flawe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 11:35 PM
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Expressing your familiarity with talking points doesn't debunk them. Parroting talking points doesn't validate them. No, I said trying to claim feminists forced the FBI to adopt it as their metric for domestic violence statistics is a conspiracy theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 10:42 PM
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Oh boy, I can't wait to hear what you think the definition of "biological sex" is. Isn't it crazy how you have to keep playing dumb instead of just making your argument? I wonder why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 10:23 PM
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Because there's no such thing as a "male woman." You're clearly trying to insinuate trans women are actually men and now you're insulting everyone's intelligence by pretending you have no idea what I could possibly be referring to. If you're going to make transphobic comments, at least have the guts to own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 10:13 PM
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Nobody is being dishonest. It's a baseless claim from red pillers that women are saying looks don't matter, but when you talk to women they confirm that of course looks matter. The real root of it is these men hearing what they want to hear. "Women are attracted to confidence" immediately becomes "OH SO WOMEN DON'T CARE ABOUT LOOKS??" You can see it almost every day on this sub alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:40 PM
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Mmmm transphobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:28 PM
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They can, however in this case it was a dating site which primarily consists of people uploading "selfies". And that's a perfect example. Women are likely to rate a candid photo of a hot guy doing something like hanging out with friends differently than a bathroom selfie of that same hot guy. You are making your decision based on what is presented in those kind of photos. I am making no decision at all, I'm simply pointing out that women rated photos of men, not men, that ratings of photos are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:27 PM
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This is red pill bullshit. Lemme guess: Duluth Model Mary Koss Erin Pizzey Earl Silverman And a few more I'm forgetting. You can acknowledge failures in the justice system without creating a conspiracy theory that feminists are to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:21 PM
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Because women have fought for it. The largest group of men's advocates care less about gender roles and more about who pays on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:17 PM
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What do you bring to the table in the attraction phase to attract a woman I make them laugh, I engage with them on a personal level, and I have genuine interest in them as people. What do you bring to the table beyond the attraction phase to keep a woman By conveying confidence, showing that I have a fulfilling life on my own, and maintaining the pieces from initial attraction. What do you require your partner or future partner to bring to the table to attract you What do you require your partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:14 PM
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I agree it tends to be brought up in a hostile way, but the root of the question is very valid. If you're having trouble dating, you should think about what you're offering a potential partner and how you're conveying that. A lot of guys complain that women don't like nice guys when the reality is that that's often all that is being shown to these women. They're nice, great, but people want more out of a relationship than someone who is simply nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:10 PM
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And my point is that an ugly guy can take a good photo, a hot guy can take a bad photo, people can rate photos differently based on things that have nothing to do with physical attractiveness, and women are showing an overwhelming preference for men with a mean rating of "average" or lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 08:40 PM
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They rated the men in the photos as below average, are you implying that they objectively rated their capability of taking a photograph of themselves from an artistic/professional point of view ? I implied no such thing since ratings are inherently subjective. I simply pointed out that women were rating photos of men, not men themselves. A hot guy holding a dead fish will be rated differently than that same hot guy holding a puppy. I assume they mean "sent by women first" and my first guess woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 08:00 PM
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Incorrect. The OKCupid survey found that on average, women rated 80% of men's photos as "below average." In the same survey, in the very same graph, it also found that 80% of messages sent by women were to men with a mean rating of "average" or lower. The survey also notes that it was in fact men who are all chasing a top percentage of women, not the other way around. Red pillers like to omit those two facts because it's inconvenient to their narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 07:42 PM
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By people who seek to strawman it. No, by red pillers. So are you saying that it's reasonable to assume that everyone who voted for Trump in the last two elections is a racist? They're either racist or perfectly comfortable with racists so...what's the difference? re you saying that every person who seeks to criticize the actions of the Israeli government is inherently anti-semitic? No, that's an absurd lie you created to deflect from what I said that actually has no bearing on what I said. Your…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 04:33 PM
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Ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 03:59 PM
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Incorrect. Incredibly incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 03:36 PM
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That viewpoint is fundamentally contradictory - why would men hate the very people their whole movement is dedicated toward successfully attracting Because wanting to be in a relationship with someone doesn't mean you respect them as a person. These are not mutually exclusive ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 07:57 AM
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Far too often we see 'characterizations' of the "Red Pill" that are hyperbolic, outrageous, and simply not accurate. For "Red Pill" to be Red Pill it simply has to "acknowledge potentially uncomfortable things that are true." That's great, but in practice it's a pretty rigid ideology. Claiming "that's not what real red pill is" doesn't change the fact that that's how it's used. Many people on this sub inaccurately, hatefully, and foolishly have an idea that "Red Pill" = exclusively some attentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 07:55 AM
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"It seems like men are focused exclusively on sex." "That's so simplistic!" "That's all men say though." "Well what do you expect??!"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 06:10 AM
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Not really true. Yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 05:26 AM
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And skinny people can have a big ass. But a small ass was considered more attractive for several decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 05:26 AM
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Except it hasn't been. Which is why he wrote a song about liking them even though it wasn't widely regarded as being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 04:26 AM
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It's a misleading statistic from a survey OKCupid did like 13 years ago and has since been morphed into whatever point a red piller wants to make. You're absolutely right that they will variously argue it refers to dates, attractiveness, sex, matches, or whatever else happens to be convenient at hand. That's how you can tell it's bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 03:52 AM
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they were just denied any love or opportunity to love, they're scared, they're confused, they're angry, because they feel lost and locked out, they don't know how to fix it and nobody's providing any practical, relevant help, or even positivity, encouragement, and understanding. How could you expect them not to feel defensive and upset when they don't see anything in the world that would allow them to feel otherwise? It's odd you start by saying it's a sexist generalization and then end with exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 03:44 AM
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I mean, if you read around here or any relationship advice page for any length of time, is it that surprising that people get that impression? It is the singular focus of so many people who comment here, in addition to complaining incessantly about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 03:28 AM
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I didn't say he changed people's opinions, I said he represented an opinion that was not mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 11:50 PM
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Bigger butts were always attractive too. They weren't. That's why he wrote an entire song about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 11:36 PM
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I fully get what you're saying. I'm saying it's not accurate. You can even prove it because in the 70s and 80s, tight little butts were preferred. Then going into the 00s and 10s, big butts became attractive. That's what the song "Baby Got Back" is all about, liking big butts was going against the mainstream view of what was attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 11:28 PM
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Except that healthy people still have butts of all shapes and sizes, as do unhealthy people. Pre-diabetes is correlated with weight, which in turn is related to ass size.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 11:11 PM
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No it doesn't. Healthy people have butts of all shapes and sizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 11:03 PM
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One bluepiller whose personal life is a shit show makes red pill right, but red pillers whose lives are in shambles don't prove it wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 11:03 PM
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If you look at almost anything people regard as attractive, it doesn't make sense on a fundamental level. Why are butts sexy? That's where the poop comes out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 10:59 PM
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You want to be lazy while your girlfriend does everything? Exactly how long does it have to be "tolerated" before she's never allowed to be intolerant of it again?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:36 AM
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Sure, but these discussions almost universally revolve around sex, even if it is ostensibly "everything."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:28 AM
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Body count, weight, male friends, social media posts, are just a few counterpoints off the top of my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 11:30 PM
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Is this the "if she ever did any sex act for an ex, she must do it for me" argument again?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 11:24 PM
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Is a woman who embraces and hones her sexuality from a personal perpective and not sharing it with other man considered high value for being confident in her desires and exploring her own pleasure, or is there still a stigma attached? Why are you letting others determine what is "high value?" Shouldn't high value be something that you personally determine?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 11:20 PM
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It’s just simply animalistic, hedonistic and reduces sex, an action between two loving people, to rudimentary pleasure. You don't have to love someone to have sex with them. Other than that, you've already identified why it's desirable. It's generally pleasurable, exciting, and fun. I simply can’t believe that this is a good thing for society. There needs to be a degree of modesty and chastity, for goodness sake. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 10:44 PM
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I mean if it doesn't bother you that MRAs don't actually care about men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 10:31 PM
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How many times I asked you to clarify? Lol I clarified then you immediately reverted to talking about porn being served to red pillers. The manufactured content that is used to promote porn is similar to the manufactured content used to attract red pillers. It creates content that reflects the views red pillers want to see, and they consume it for that very reason. The algorithm, which drives engagement, continues to serve them similar content because that's what they want to see, and creators c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 07:43 PM
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Porn companies I didn't say porn companies and red pillers. In fact I specifically said not porn companies and red pillers twice, but you keep ignoring it because it's inconvenient to your narrative. Again how does this make sense on this post? Because that's what the post is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:23 PM
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Implying that this trend is related to RP. The trend of being served content that reflects their worldview is absolutely related to red pill, just like it's related to Trumpism. What else are you saying If not that ad makers are targeting redpillers with "content" not ads lol. I never said ads, YOU said ads. I said content is being aimed at red pillers that reflects exactly what they want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:15 PM
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porn ads? Not necessarily porn bots specifically Still aren't reading, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:04 PM
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No, and in fact if you'd actually bothered to read my comment, you would see that I specifically say not porn bots.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:00 PM
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How does that negate the fact that red pillers consume content that reflects their views while purporting that it represents the world at large?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:50 PM
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super brief period of time Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:12 PM
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They're not anymore, because people pushed to normalize it. Go back several decades and it's a different story. Look at that. I guess my reading comprehension isn't the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 04:54 PM
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As opposed to becoming a bitter misogynist in slavish devotion to red pill myths?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 04:51 PM
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Incorrect, but you don't seem very interested in having a good faith discussion so 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 04:42 PM
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No, I made my point pretty clearly in my first reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 04:01 PM
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They don't feel that way now. That was my entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:57 PM
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My point is that simply because people do something doesn't mean it's not taboo. Drugs were taboo for a long time. That's not even really up for dispute.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:52 PM
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What does that have to do with the fact that drugs were taboo for a long time until people pushed to normalize them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:49 PM
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I see women bitch about short guys on TikTok all the time Because that's the content you engage with. which is far more mainstream than Reddit. It is far more used than Reddit, that doesn't make the opinions expressed "mainstream."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:48 PM
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That doesn't change the fact that it was still socially taboo. Servicemen throughout history and particularly during wars (during WWI, STDs incapacitated 18,000 men per day) have always frequented sex workers, but it's still taboo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:09 PM
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Well, it's because the men are horrible husbands and deserve it". Yeah nobody says that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:59 PM
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1936 produced the infamous "Reefer Madness" film. Go back to the 50s and you have the introduction of mandatory sentences for drug crimes (weed in particular was viewed as a dangerous habit of black people). Go back to the 80s and you have the start of the war on drugs and even harsher penalties for drug crimes. Drugs have been taboo for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:57 PM
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They're not anymore, because people pushed to normalize it. Go back several decades and it's a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:51 PM
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wheres you big MRA political movement to legalize prostitution? Oh that's easy, MRAs only care about issues where they can throw it women's faces. An issue like this where not only can they not blame women, but they're actually elevating them, would be intolerable. It's much easier for MRAs and red pillers to be intensely scornful of women doing sex work while being consumers of said work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:50 PM
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Drug legalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:48 PM
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