Why don't more struggling men join conservative religions?

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Flightlessbirbz · 2024-02-20T15:38:59+00:00

it’s easy enough to fake

No it’s not. You’re talking about faking an enormous part of your life for a whole marriage.

Now I would say that men who may be somewhat religious and would like a more traditional woman should look at church rather than the club. But a man who’s not religious joining a conservative religious group where their religion is central to their entire lives…no.lol

Ok-Map-7596 · 2024-02-20T15:19:52+00:00

Most of these conservative men struggling to date aren't really religious and would have a difficult time convincing some religious fundamentalist dad to let a sweaty reddit atheist marry his daughter.

Sandshrew922 · 2024-02-20T17:32:44+00:00

To attract a traditional conservative Christian or whatever woman they likely will need to be able to provide a traditional lifestyle. Need to be in moderately good shape, be somewhat personable, and make enough money to provide her a housewife setup. Most do not have those things. Not to mention then they're "beta bux" or whatever since they're providing 100% for a woman.

Safinated · 2024-02-20T15:28:08+00:00

Because it means they have to do stuff. Especially laying off the porn and video games, providing, and socializing

KayRay1994 · 2024-02-20T15:11:38+00:00

because these men only want women to have conservative values, the men who complain about this want to be chad, not a good family man.

purplish_possum · 2024-02-20T15:29:02+00:00

Low divorce rates

So called "Christians" have some of the highest divorce rates.

https://news.web.baylor.edu/news/story/2014/evangelicals-have-higher-average-divorce-rates-according-report-compiled-baylor

WanabeInflatable · 2024-02-20T15:30:54+00:00

Low body count is overvalued and too hyped for no objective reason
Much younger women typically expect older man to be a provider/wallet. Otherwise why?
Traditional gender roles sux. Especially in the modern world, where chores are automated a lot, she can divorce and take half of what you earned, because it is assumed that you both were earning.
Being provider sux, see above.
Sometimes divorce is better than dead relationships of former partners turning room-mates or even enemies. Low divorce is not equated to happiness. Just divorce is shunned and you are supposed to pretend everything is OK.

Silver_Past2313 · 2024-02-20T16:08:26+00:00

It's difficult for me to lie like that. Hurts the soul. Can't trick myself.

Kind-Dare7852 · 2024-02-20T15:15:36+00:00

It would be disingenuous and unfair on the women that attend these places of worship.

purplish_possum · 2024-02-20T15:31:27+00:00

Women with low/no body count

OP apparently doesn't know much about Catholic School and Bible Camp girls.

mlo9109 · 2024-02-20T16:06:22+00:00

Yes! As a woman who's basically been forced to date outside the church due to a lack of men at church, please, come on in.

Tywinlol · 2024-02-20T16:21:47+00:00

What does "struggling men" means? Stop hanging around incel forums, most men who complain about women, that includes me and my friends circle, are not desperate and will not just jump into relationship with any women that offered. There are lots of problems with conservative women and what they bring to the table. There is already one great comment here going in details so I wont repeat what is said in it. In short for most men that can do basic math it is obvious that traditional relationship is way too expensive for what it offers.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2024-02-20T15:10:18+00:00

because they want to fuck like chad, not be husbands to some woman who can say no to sex and demand things from them

Hot-Law2682 · 2024-02-20T17:00:31+00:00

If these guys were motivated enough to consistently attend church, stop using all drugs and porn, read the bible, attend church events, and become a "provider" they wouldn't be chronically single in the first place.

GhostofCamus · 2024-02-20T15:31:48+00:00

Have you ever been to a church? It's boring as fuck.

Geselshaft · 2024-02-20T15:07:00+00:00

Some “struggling” men have IQs over 100.

In fact the majority of people over 100 IQ “struggle”. Because current culture is designed for sub 80 intelligence.

LoFiPanda14 · 2024-02-20T16:08:19+00:00

It requires you to be religious in the first place and you are usually adopting their religious in-laws who will see through your facade.

lastoflast67 · 2024-02-20T17:49:48+00:00

becuase unless you go amish or join some sort of secluded cult you arent getting bang for your buck if women is all you care about as at the end of the day these conservative women are still in a non conservative greater society and so at any point if they want to they can dip into the priviledges of modern women. Just look at steven crowder for example the guy was the total conservative provider guy who found a conservative woman and she left him via no fault divorce.

favabeansandwine · 2024-02-20T17:56:49+00:00

I stopped going to church when feminism and rainbow flags crept under the door.

Being part of a church community used to be of benefit to men.

If you want to hear blue-pill 'kiss-womens-asses' sermons telling men to "man up and listen to their wives" and watch women elbow their husbands with a sneering grin...

Yeah I don't have time for that shit. Even priests are simps now. And if you're against whoring, infidelity, and sexual freedom don't be a friend with feminism or any church that aligns with it to pander to their female audience. I used to see a fair number of single women at mass, but almost zero single men.

Churches are lost and losing their fanbase for a reason.

Churches are just another arm of society that doesn't respect or value men.

So, fuck church then.

Retrospring · 2024-02-20T18:02:40+00:00

Truth matters to me. I can't join a bunch of people who are doing things I like yet spreading messages I consider to be untrue.

throwaway164_3 · 2024-02-20T18:58:07+00:00

Religion is made up and inconsistent with reality

rma5690 · 2024-02-20T16:16:05+00:00

Women with low/no body count

The absolute last place on earth you're gonna find that is in a church.

Traditional gender roles enforced

Maybe in Islamic communities, but most modern Christians church's are hilariously gynocentric.

In short, Christianity is functionally dead in much of the Western world. The only reason why most people don't call themselves atheists is because, well who the fuck wants to have the same label as the average r/atheism user?

obviousredflag · 2024-02-20T15:17:26+00:00

You underestimate the problems those men have. You don't get handed a wife after joining a religion. You still need to be a productive and social part of their community to be attractive to the women. Yes, those religions might have what those men look for to a higher degree, but the reasons they are single still apply after changing/joining religions

Key_Construction1332 · 2024-02-20T15:49:38+00:00

Many men dont want traditional women they just wanna fuck like “high value men”
A lot of them would have to give up porn drinking and won’t be able to live the “high value lifestyle”
A lot of them are but they still dont get play because they are ugly

HTML_Novice · 2024-02-20T16:16:11+00:00

I am not religious, and I can not take any woman who is religious seriously.

I need to be able to respect her intellectually if I am to marry her. If she’s into zodiac signs, “energy” or religion, I can not respect her

purplish_possum · 2024-02-20T15:33:00+00:00

Convincing parents you are a provider

What country are we talking about? Certainly not the USA.

Literal_Jesus_ · 2024-02-20T17:41:21+00:00

Because many men don't want to conform to the same ideals they want for their "ideal partners". Actual religious women however will turn their nose up at things like porn consumption, promiscuity or the encouraging of it, drug use, depending on the religion alcohol use, specific media that is or isn't in accordance to their beliefs (I was banned from reading Harry Potter and watching anything that alluded to other gods lmao) and many (atleast in the church I grew up in) are waiting or claim to be waiting til marriage. So you have a girlfriend but there's a chance that not much is happening until marriage. They will also likely want a husband that is making more than they are (assuming they plan to work after childbirth).

If that doesn't deter you however modesty, traditional patriarchal households/marriages, purity all of the stuff is practically required of women who actually practice any Abrahamic religion. All of the "high value" shit these dudes push in terms of behaviors they think women should hold themselves to their religion holds them to so idk maybe they should convert and hold themselves to the "lack of lustful behavior until marriage" stuff. Guys with those beliefs aren't my vibe but there's other women who are into that if you have this standard for women you should also have this standard for yourself.

There's also plenty of "bad Christians/bad Muslims" who pretty much do whatever they want and just show up to service once a week. So ya know you might not even have to find an actual religious person just someone who is faking.

GhettoJamesBond · 2024-02-20T15:50:38+00:00

I don't know where you live where you see a lot of young religious conservative girls.

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grown_folks_talkin · 2024-02-20T15:55:40+00:00

It’s already happening and it’s terrible for the most part because of the political atmosphere right now.

imaniimellz · 2024-02-20T15:55:45+00:00

Because the more advanced we become with technology and connectivity humanity loses its grips and commitment to archaic religion and peruse a more nihilistic and atheist perspective on life.

Acceptable-Truck3803 · 2024-02-20T16:08:47+00:00

Typical conservative women are in theory “to hate sex and only have sex to have kids.” The other thing is most left over women” VERY ACTIVE in their church are overweight.

The ones that DO like sex aren’t on the market. Yes this applies to those who were sheltered for years and be young wild free rebellious aren’t looking in the direction of those who are “struggling to get dates”

Conservative Christian’s typically have the highest divorce rates due to doing what your religion + parents say to make them happy. So divorce happens and you date actually for what you want.

Spare-Estimate5596 · 2024-02-20T16:31:17+00:00

Churches do not like single males joining the church out of nowhere because they know why you are there. To steal their women. Next most churches dont have young marriagable women anways. Most women leave the church and only come back if they are married or ran thur

DietTyrone · 2024-02-20T16:34:29+00:00

I don't think anyone should convert to a religion for the sole purpose of getting better dating options. If you want more conservative women, be open to dating those types of women and try to go to events and things they're more likely to be at. And if religion is a big part of their life, be open to embracing part of that life with them after you've already started dating.

Bro_with_passport · 2024-02-20T17:05:18+00:00

I’ve actually considered conversion to Mormonism. I already don’t drink coffee as I hate the stuff, and I’ve even read much of the Book of Mormon to learn more. The LDS church though, comes with drawbacks. I’d have to give up 10% of my income as tithing. Because of that and cost of living differences, being a passport bro makes more sense to me.

If I ever have a change in lifestyle that shifts that calculus, I may convert in the future. Especially if I end up having to move back to the US due to my career.

abaxeron · 2024-02-20T17:08:22+00:00

Short answer: they do. But I believe that the details fall under "No racism" rule.

lolcope2 · 2024-02-20T17:09:19+00:00

Well I don't know about religion, but men are 100% trending conservative;

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Objective_Ad_6265 · 2024-02-20T17:12:10+00:00

It's worth a try to visit church in hopes of finding a partner if you share some values and want marriage and nothing casual. You might find someone with the same values who is fine that you don't actually believe the religion. You might end up actualy liking the religion. But faking it is immoral thing to do as faking anything else, it's bad.

SIeight_of_Hand · 2024-02-20T17:18:57+00:00

Because it’s a covert contract and you’re using ppl as extension of your ego.

siempreloco31 · 2024-02-20T17:35:14+00:00

It's funny because a large amount of religious women are left without a partner because there simply isn't enough religious men in the community. It's a meme that young religious women can't find a sufficiently religious man, like thats your trad partner right there. Just pretend on Sundays.

HumpsyDumpsy · 2024-02-20T17:38:03+00:00

Because religiously, they're probably not conservative, but like the idea of a conservative relationship/woman Because they feel it benefits the man the most.. which is everything you've listed in those bullet points.

Plus a man should only go to church when he values the lifestyle that comes w it, not because he's simply trying to score. And churches are not some kind of home base where it's guaranteed you're gonna find women with low N-counts, and trad gender roles etc.

If anything, some churches are full of the most hypocritical people. One moment you hear people gossiping, saying "oh yea, I slept with her man" or "you can do better if you left your husband and choose me", and the next moment they're acting like saints.

RandomAttackHelpMe · 2024-02-20T17:53:11+00:00

Cause to best put it, they want to beat the system. I will elaborate more later.

527east · 2024-02-20T17:53:40+00:00

Because most christian churches the men in charge teach the men in their congregations to simp for women.

Makuta_Servaela · 2024-02-20T17:55:19+00:00

My liberal dad made this mistake 30 years ago, and now he is suffering with a conservative wife and access to only conservative social networks who have completely different values than he has.

Not that he's not to blame for the communication discrepancy as well, but still, the idea that a non-conservative man will get want he wants without being conservative and being able to uphold his end of the bargain as well will hit, and hit hard.

Triglycerine · 2024-02-20T18:03:06+00:00

They do, OP. They do.

thedarkracer · 2024-02-20T18:11:10+00:00

I am from a conservative religion except of course the traditional gender roles (our history has women and men fighting as equals against the enemies). It is hard to follow all rules and you will not find much. Take for example the catholics, you can't even masturbate lol and according to science it is necessary to relieve stress and among other advantages. So why would they follow it?

luroot · 2024-02-20T18:16:35+00:00

I think a lot of guys are plugging into patriarchal Abrahamic faiths now just to utilize their dogma to domesticate their women (like Andrew Tate).

I have a few Christian female friends and it's mind-blowing to me what they believe in - like how the man should be the head and the woman the neck in marriage.

It's crazy that they buy into this ideology so hardcore and I can't convince them otherwise...even though it vastly benefits me at their expense. 🤣🤦‍♂️

Sadly, I've even found it to possibly be an obstacle in dating...because that religious difference can create a pretty big, underlying gap...especially if they are really fanatical about it.

gntlbastard · 2024-02-20T18:32:44+00:00

To thine own self - be true.

Podlubnyi · 2024-02-20T18:41:32+00:00

Struggling men don't become Christians these days. They become Muslims. There's a particularly high conversion rating among prisoners.

Obvious-Produce2720 · 2024-02-20T18:43:38+00:00

Well to be honest what is acceptable and unacceptable male behavior? Lets go through a list.

1 wanna watch sports on a religious day, that is not acceptable

2 don't drink or drugs or other substances

3 women in those communities expect little to no body count of there future spouses i.e. these men with more then like 1 other person good luck. Sure you can lie, great way to start a marriage

4 be prepared, alot of those communties are not involved in city life, they believe a way to protect the believers is to be a version of farmer brown

5 your wife that you marry tends to believe sex is for children only, alot of those faith say oral or anal sex is a sin as it prevents conception, most aphla males want a BJ....ssooooo

6 lets not forget family involvement and family status. Some single girl isnt going to marry just anyone if she is from a "good" family. They want to know these new men come from good families. So if your parents are divorced, not married, you have half slibings, anyone of the LBGTQ community present in the family, and the low key acceptable racism (this includes friends of other races as well) those men will be judged like no tomorrow. Theres a podcast of ex mormons talking on the Mormon faith on how a woman couldnt even have her BIO MOM at her own wedding cause the woman was divorced and remarried. So... keep that in mind, be prepared to cut off your entire social network for what is acceptable in that faith

7 can you farm? Like you cant farm or do other blue collar work its not acceptable either and your not a real man. Cool your an accountant or lawyer, they want what is considered real mens work which is blue collar only.

8 do i really need to keep going? Like your wife will forever wear those white gowns that looks like grandmas night gown cause seeing her body is viewed as wrong.... you have to recognize that there is leadership and Hierarchy and if your not religious enough you are at the bottom and unlikely to get married till you rank high enough. Etc. Etc. Etc.

I cant believe we are having this discussion honestly. Like watch the documentary on Jeff Warren, or the Dungar Family, and youll see trying to date and find a spouse and community isnt that easy there either. Ssoo yup. Good luck if you try. (I wouldnt recommend it though)

Darthwilhelm · 2024-02-20T18:45:35+00:00

Because that would involve lying about a massive part of your life. And I'd assume that most men (or women for that matter) wouldn't want to deal with the changes that joining a conservative religion would entail for the sole purpose of getting a date.

Not to mention that it's really shitty for the women this hypothetical man is dating too. They, presumably, value this religion. Especially if it's something they have in common. And it's just wrong to build a relationship on a lie like this.

fongpei2 · 2024-02-20T18:48:32+00:00

The fakes get spotted out rather easily. A good Christian father would vet these guys. What happens is that certain guys legit convert (take the godpill) and realize that the way of life is indeed better

Friendly_Salad567 · 2024-02-20T18:51:53+00:00

Since when men who are struggling want all that? Most of them would be more than content with just a acceptably attractive woman who looks at their direction

Bordbir · 2024-02-20T18:52:16+00:00

Because the supposed benefits are not worth giving up contemporary benefits for. Reminds me of a certain person who cried that Islam requires him to quit drinking.

Comprehensive-Bed35 · 2024-02-20T19:13:39+00:00

I’m honestly just too shy to show up to a church by myself lol.

That’s literally the only thing that keeps me from becoming actively social within my religious group. I live in Los Angeles, I am a Christian, I do not know any other Christians, or have Christian friends, and I haven’t had the best experience in the past with devout Christians—or going to churches, so I’m kinda too chickenshit to go to a church by myself. 🤷🏻‍♂️

kochIndustriesRussia · 2024-02-20T19:30:58+00:00

Ummm.....because you have to join a conservative religion lol? No booze...no porn....no sex toys....no kink....no parties....no fun, that isn't approved by the pastor/preacher/imam or you're going to hell.

Not to many lining up for that journey.....

Title	Why don't more struggling men join conservative religions?
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