What is red pill, actually?

Rahim556 · 2023-05-04T18:58:33+00:00

Red Pill is information. It's the not necessarily politically correct or socially acceptable information. It doesn't sugar coat or mince words. It tells the harsh reality of female nature that men need to hear in order to have a checklist or playbook so to speak if they wish to maximize their success with women (whatever that may be, it's up to the individual, could be casual sex, relationships, marriage, what have you).

This information, at its core, looks something like this:

"Hey guys, women are more shallow than you were probably led to believe. Here's what women, by and large, value in men: Looks, Money, and Status. So if you want to be successful, get your ass in the gym and get in shape, make sure you have a good job/money, and maximize your status (this constitutes many things, one of which is charisma, for example)."

That's all Red Pill is at its core.

Things like AWALT and Female Hypergamy and Dual Mating Strategy and all that are just used as qualifiers. They're there to show men why Looks, Money, and Status matter to begin with. Otherwise, it would just be a statement with nothing to back it up.

So Red Pill makes a claim: women care about X, Y, and Z (more than you were taught)

Red Pill then backs up that claim by showing examples of why X, Y, and Z are important

Men reading this material can usually completely relate because they've witnessed many of these things first hand. You might then ask: "Well shouldn't they have already known?" To which I say: not necessarily. Firstly, many men are idealists. They want to believe the best, especially about women. The Red Pill truth is harsh. But when confronted with the evidence, which so perfectly lines up with the lived real world experiences and examples, it cannot be denied even if the man wanted to, because at that point he would be lying to himself and attempting to live in blissful ignorance (like in the Matrix where the guy is eating the steak he knew wasn't real, but didn't care).

So that is Red Pill in a nutshell: harsh truths. Women care about Looks, Money, and Status more than is socially acceptable to even state (hence all the hate, it's the harsh reality about women and their true nature, of course they hate it).

It has nothing at all to do with incels, misogyny, women hating, patriarchy, wanting to strip women of their rights, or anything other than putting female nature on full display butt naked for the world to see and study.

Hope that clarifies.

mc0079 · 2023-05-04T18:48:54+00:00

If you read the sidebar of r/theredpill it states:

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

That means it’s dudes talking bout how to have more sex with women. Things like what to do and what not to do on dates, how to have more casual sex, how to avoid shitty women, how to get in a better mindset (frame), etc

As for the difference between Rp and normal shit I’d say this is a good post from recently. I don’t even read the sub anymore but I remember having the exact behavior from the screenshots and wondering why I was getting no responses, luckily I was young but I’m just one person. Some people need guidance on wtf they’re doing wrong and honestly there’s no other spaces that talk about sex like that.

Anything extra is just what some guy is typing on a forum, normally tagged as theories. You do not have to listen to everyone’s theories and most people do not, they take in what they have seen or realized

Sooooooooo many people here think all RP men want traditional women. This is clearly not the case. many will tell you good fucking luck getting one now. The vast majority here don’t care to take the time out though so they rather argue something they think they know rather than take an iota of effort to see themselves

just_a_place · 2023-05-04T21:14:10+00:00

It's a metaphor for any piece of knowledge that causes the knower to start questioning their beliefs and start to discover that reality does not actually conform to his preconceptions.

Originally, the term was used as a verb: "He got Red Pilled." Meaning that reality came crashing into his world.

Latter it became synonymous with Free Thinking phrases like:

Think for yourself

Free your mind

Discover Reality

Don't be sheep

Go your own way

Reject Groupthink

etc.

At some point, Pickup Artists and Incels fucked up the movement/phenomena and hijacked the name to use it as a megaphone for their own subversive and hucksterish bullshit. Precisely the type of horseshit that the spirit of The Red Pill tells men to not be fooled by or fall for.

PeacexFitness · 2023-05-04T18:48:48+00:00

I think the redpill is a reality check. It's supposed to invoke "enlightenment", or in my case, helped spur curiosity and interest in a variety of different things, not just including male and female dating strategy's. Politics and government, food and nutrition, technology & etc; the "redpill" has helped form an interest in these industries, therefore prompting me to become generally educated in them because, i don't want to be easily swayed or have my opinion formed for me, if that makes sense

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-05-04T18:52:38+00:00

There is a sidebar that explains it (tho sometimes the links are dead. Sometimes a lot of them)

But at the same time the RP dudes will say all of it is a “toolbox” that each guy uses whatever tools he needs and not the “tools” he doesn’t. And others call it a “amoral philosophy”

So yeah, it can be pretty much anything any dude says is RP to him.

AngeCruelle · 2023-05-04T19:13:47+00:00

To be as succinct as it can possibly get with as little jargon and snark as possible.

RP believes in certain objective, universal realities around female attraction and loyalty. Basically the latter doesn't exist unless you can maintain the former. And maintaining the former is very difficult if not impossible in long-term relationships. You have the hard RP answer which is "don't have long term relationships or at least don't actively cultivate them, focus on sex" and the soft RP answer which is "it's difficult, but not impossible to keep attraction and sex in a long-term relations, and it's a challenge that can be worth doing."

flosterjenkins · 2023-05-05T10:36:34+00:00

If I pretended that men liking boobs, makeup, long legs and shaved body hair was new information to me, and started belittling and shitting on men on the internet for daring to have preferences, I'd be the female equivalent of redpill. It's two steps - pretend other people made you some ridiculous, selfless promise, and then get insulted and lash out when they're human.

We all knew women are flawed, diverse, sometimes self serving, horny human beings with sexual preferences. Not charities that graciously distribute sex based on moral character and ONLY moral character. Most people in society knew this, aka the "bluepill".

However, some teenagers are autistic, or just full of hate towards women. They made up this ridiculous lie - that women promised to selflessly distribute sex to men of good moral character, without thinking of ourselves at all - to have a "reason" to feel wronged by women and feel justified in punching down. That's "redpill".

It's really that simple, and not that complicated.

Popular_Accountant60 · 2023-05-04T18:47:21+00:00

I too would like to know exactly what it is. And also what goes on in the Red pill woman side of things. What are their beliefs because I rarely see women claim to be red pill but I know they exist

prettymuchredpilled · 2023-05-05T04:12:56+00:00

Red pill is waking up to the brutal politically incorrect reality of the psychological differences between men and women, especially in the context of sexual attraction and sexual selection.

Blue pill is keeping your head in the sand and pretending that men and women are exactly the same (or similar enough for the differences to not matter) and that gender is nothing more than a "social construct".

jaypb182 · 2023-05-04T23:19:15+00:00

I know about all these "pills" from 4chan and they go back years ago. The 'red pill' currently is used to describe some sort of ideology or a dating strategy, but technically it's not necessarily a correct portrayal of the term. It obviously originates from the Matrix movie, where the red pill wakes you up from the virtual reality while the blue pill keeps you in the dream.

So at its core, that is all that the red pill means, it's information that wakes you up from the artificial world that has been fed to you. It is not something specifically about dating. You can be redpilled about any topic by acquiring hidden or esoteric information that goes against the mainstream, and these are sometimes harsh or unconventional truths.

As someone else said, in the context of dating, being redpilled means knowing that women are hypergamous and that they won't just like you for who you are, but rather, you have to improve yourself in every aspect of your life because as a man, you don't have inherent value other than the one you provide. You have to looksmaxx, acquire resources and status, be charismatic, socially dominant, etc.; whereas the blue pill, or mainstream narrative, tells you that you have to "be yourself" and things will magically fall into place, be a submissive male, be a feminist, put her interests before your own, and essentially be a doormat in order for women to like you. Acknowledging this isn't an ideology in and of itself, it just means you are aware of underlying dynamics that rule the game.

The black pill has also been mischaracterized. It used to mean dooming truths that are demoralizing and inevitable, while the white pill is the opposite. Going back to dating, the black pill in this sense implies that your results are pretty much determined by genetics and that there's not much you can actually do about it, no matter how much you work on yourself. In a way, yes, it says that looks matter, but that is not really the core of what being blackpilled means.

So to reiterate, the red pill doesn't tell you what to do and it is also not a moral position, but rather an acknowledgment that mainstream and politically correct narratives aren't in your best interest. Everyone here saying that the red pill means being misogynistic or "blaming women" is incorrect, and ironically, bluepilled.

AnUnstableNucleus · 2023-05-04T18:40:34+00:00

What is red pill, actually?

Resentment flavored Copa Cola for young men sweetened by studies and statistics that have little relevancy in the real world.

MrHustleTopG · 2023-05-04T19:08:51+00:00

A toolbox that helps men become their best selves

LoopyPro · 2023-05-04T20:42:04+00:00

A bunch of guys comparing notes or sharing information that they can use to maximize their outcomes in life and to prevent themselves from walking into the slaughterhouse blindfolded. RP applies to many topics, but mostly dating.

Eastern-Action1384 · 2023-05-05T07:11:52+00:00

Red pill are angry men with no luck with women. But sadly their anger will f*ck them up, you can't be angry at someone because she didn't loves you.

TheRedPillRipper · 2023-05-05T00:40:01+00:00

summarize what exactly is red pill?

Amoral sexual strategy. Some use it to lie. Deceive. Most use some, but not all strategies. To get better outcomes. The rest? Use none.

Godspeed and good luck!

Extreme-Boot-8792 · 2023-05-04T18:43:58+00:00

basically it says a man will magically become a chad after his 30 birthday

and also the "wall"

AreOut · 2023-05-04T18:58:49+00:00

It's just the unpleasant truth. That's why blackpill and bluepill hate it so much.

NOTSM · 2023-05-04T18:52:38+00:00

It’s a guide for average dudes on how to bang more skanks.

All that extra stuff that got added in is just worthless jibber jabber.

KayRay1994 · 2023-05-04T19:39:35+00:00

its an online ideology, very cult like in its ways and it primarily concerns itself with wanting a return to gender norms of the past - and like any effective cult, it draws people in with a few truths, excuses the extreme behavior of currently existing members and slowly ideologically isolated and traps said new members into believing the more outlandish stuff

subject_44 · 2023-05-04T18:54:14+00:00

Like Feminism, it's not a monolith but a spectrum

Despite taking inspiration from The Matrix. If you actually try to study them malforms or maladaptive beliefs men hold to in order to get their malnourished emotional needs met in the way patriarchy teach them.

revente · 2023-05-05T02:17:07+00:00

Red pill is a realistic view on dating that lets you maximize your individual success.

Aka 'enjoy the decline'.

But these days the scene is getting appropriated by tradcons/incels and other weirdos who think they'll cure society by force-feeding women some bs trad values.

This is obviously incompatible with trp which is an extremely individualistic movement.

abaxeron · 2023-05-04T19:47:33+00:00

There are at least two red pills which muddies the water seriously.

In both instances, the red pill contains rejection of pleasant or at least familiar lies in favor of uncomfortable truth.

In a "narrow sense", men are brought up, trained, raised, and educated to believe that women, sexually and attraction-wise, are enlightened, wise, and spiritual beings averted from such things as brutishness and sexist beliefs in men, and if not outright attracted, then at least tend to gravitate towards men who are gentlemanly, generous, kind, loving, caring, and respecting towards them and women in general. This is pleasant or at least familiar lie that the Red Pill offers uncomfortable truth to counter:

women are simple creatures, their attraction is based on several simple shallow criteria, and you are stupid if you spent any time at all dancing to their tune, dating-wise, instead of making them dance to yours.

In a "wide sense", the comfortable, familiar lie is often (depending on the location) outright written in the Constitution. Men and women are totally equal, have always been totally equal, absolutely deserve to be totally equal in all areas of life (except prisons. And high-end sports. And bathrooms. Etc, don't question it and shut up you misogynist), but, history textbook takes from the Constitution, men built society with norms that by design were intended to keep women down, until women valiantly defeated those norms in noble fight; any regress back from the status quo is the wrong side of history, any suggestion that gender roles might be natural and beneficial continuation of sexual dimorphism means you hate women, etc.

I am exaggerating and simplifying and not being rigorous, but I think it's an important distinction to make.

throwaway164_3 · 2023-05-05T00:30:25+00:00

It’s the fact that the traits and behaviors people are sexually attracted to are fairly universal across cultures, and have been shaped by sexual selection and evolution.

It’s why women are attracted to tall and dominant men, for example

WilliamWyattD · 2023-05-05T00:50:26+00:00

TRP is sort of like the Early Christian Church. There is no central authority or orthodox dogma. It is a lot of things to a lot of people.

The core of TRP is the discussion of gender dynamics without the distorting influence of clearly inaccurate political correctness. Now, whether other biases have crept in making the TRP take almost as bad depends on the TRP thinker in question.

JohnnyMnemo · 2023-05-05T01:13:53+00:00

This is why banning subreddits, no matter how toxic they are perceived to be, is bad. I thought we all figured out 200 years ago that information wants to be free, which is why we made governmental censorship illegal.

Enough_Chemistry3258 · 2023-05-05T08:47:19+00:00

Red pill the belief you can change yourself to attract more women. Black the belief women date the top genetically you cant change that so give up. Blue pill attracting women by basically submitting to them.

Odd-Luck7658 · 2023-05-04T18:51:19+00:00

Red Pill: unsuccessful men blaming women for their problems

grown_folks_talkin · 2023-05-04T19:06:18+00:00

Best case: self-improvement, course correction for dudes with anxious attachment style.

Worst-case: misogynistic drivel.

This is without reading foundational material if it exists.

TermAggravating8043 · 2023-05-04T18:47:56+00:00

Trp is for men that hate and want to control woman, starting by self help remedies

Actual_Cygnus · 2023-05-05T03:40:10+00:00

"Red pill" is seeing the world and society for what it actually is. Not for what the system would have you believe.

Senior-Reputation704 · 2023-05-04T20:24:55+00:00

watch the Matrix. Taking it means you will never see reality the same way, there is no going back.

closedshop · 2023-05-05T05:42:38+00:00

The concept of the red pill has been expanded over the last 10-15 years of use but the most core concepts are these in my opinion:

What we tell people, through media, family, and common knowledge, about romance, dating, and mating is not only note true, but most likely the opposite of true. For example, looks absolutely matter in terms of attraction. Money absolutely matters in terms of attraction. There is no such thing as true love. There are many other such pieces of "knowledge" that are similarly false.
The advice we give to people about dating, romance, and mating is not only not helpful, but actively hinders them. "Just wait for the right one, they will come." "Men should be nice and gentlemanly." "Women should focus on their careers." These are all similarly counterproductive pieces of advice.
As it stands, the dating market, sexual market, and marriage, are all skewed heavily in the favor of women. This may be contentious, but as it is a tenant of the red pill, I'll present it without further examination, as I'm not necessarily debating the truthfulness of these claims, just presenting them as core principles of The Red Pill.
Because of points 1-3, what men have been doing for tens, maybe hundreds of years of mating is no longer having the desired results, specifically that of having a wife, kids, and successful and happy marriage. Most men now have to settle with only one of none of these. It may be the case that the advice given worked back when the world was different (maybe it never worked), but it definitely does not work now.
Because of points 1-4, men require a paradigm shift when it comes to not just their dating life, but also their life in general.

From here on out, the advice differs between different communities, but all the advice, in my opinion, stems from these main points.

JNRoberts42 · 2023-05-04T22:22:51+00:00

It's precisely the same thing as any Abrahamic text. It means whatever they say it means, and they cherry pick in order to appear more "rational" while the entire genre is guessing by men who aren't participating.

Pathosgrim · 2023-05-05T04:53:52+00:00

Red pill is freethinking and rebellion. It isn't just about gender dynamics.

Mobrowncheeks · 2023-05-04T19:00:19+00:00

The red pill is kinda like the fitness community, it’s just a pool of information, grifters, bro science, real science, people with differing perspectives and outcomes based on genetics, up bringing, expectations etc.

It’s the closest thing you can get to tangible statements about dating that are actionable, and have metrics that you can think about and use. Any one can “ add” to the information. There’s a whole lot of bs there, there’s a lot of good nuggets of wisdom.

So really any particular individual has to use discretion, and have a strong sense of self in order to decide what’s good information, who’s just trying to make money, and what doesn’t or can not apply to him. That’s with any thing though

MoldovaImComing · 2023-05-04T23:49:50+00:00

Red pill is the first step on the path to the actual truth which renders all pills obsolete.

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Boring_Home · 2023-05-04T22:49:01+00:00

Whatever it originally meant, the term has since been co-opted by the Elons and Ivankas of the world.

No-Rough-7390 · 2023-05-05T12:59:54+00:00

Outcome independence.

xcheshirecatxx · 2023-05-05T13:24:20+00:00

Red pillers will tell you that the red pill is the truth. I find the truth to be closer to red than blue, but it's not 100%

Red pill is mostly traditional,but it is compatible with just not acting like all that feminism bs. It's not opposed to women's rights, but the feminism bs is that women are oppressed, have less rights, that abortions have no consequences, that having sex with hundreds of people doesn't matter, etc

Red pill says some harsh truth about most women, mostly about hypergamy, but it has an issue seeing the exceptions, and the culture differences

2023-05-06T01:52:54+00:00

It's basically just a huge conglomeration of men discussing modern sexual dynamics, and also the biological basis for sexual selection in the human species. Many men find said discussions beneficial because it aids them in "waking up" from any delusions they may have been instilled with by virtue of having grown up in a culture that basically lies to them about these topics. Different men will find different kinds of utility in this information, depending on where they are at in life, their personality structure, and what their personal goals are. A guy who is driven primarily by his ego may use the information to game woman so that he can feel like a stud. Other men, who value harmony/peace/hobbies more than status, may realize the juice isn't worth the squeeze and simply opt out of dating for the sake of a perceived "higher path." Others will sit around and complain because they can't get any (incels) but who are too immature to simply move on and focus on bettering themselves. Still others will decide to fight for men's rights (MRAs) in a culture that displays acts of flagrant misandry on a daily basis.

The knowledge itself really defies definition, because it's really more a collection of sociological/biological theorizing than any kind of system or ideology, and often these ideas will differ markedly from man to man, based on his life experiences.

If I had to boil it down personally, the most valuable part of "TRP" for me has been the realization that:

The vast majority of women are incapable of loving in the way men love/want to be loved. Our value is highly conditional (based primarily on utility) and subject to change at any moments notice, for almost any reason conceivable. Thus, without the historical bond of socially enforced marriage, long term relationships cannot be trusted as safe investments. That doesn't mean don't do them; just always go into the situation with the understanding that it's basically a gamble, and that if you choose to play with fire, you had better come to terms with the fact that, sooner or latter, you'll probably be burned. This will at least prevent a man from being totally blindsided when shit inevitably falls to pieces, enabling him to roll with the punches to some degree. If he indeed chooses to play the game in the first place, that is. Being a PUA or going MGTOW negates the risk, obviously, which is why many men choose those alternatives.

Safinated · 2023-05-06T14:58:12+00:00

In essence, women suck/aren’t wonderful, so don’t love them, just sex them

So original

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