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| 13 | Welcome to the femosphere, the latest dark, toxic corner of the internet… for womenOP's summary is very misleading. If you read the article that's not what they are saying at all. Specifically, they are primarily criticizing the anti-feminism and conservative adjacent talking point in these groups with zero consideration for the damage it might do to men. really when they call this toxic femosphere, they're not saying: it's full of misandrists the way we believe that the manosphere is full of misogynists. They're saying it's full of anti-feminist misogynists exactly like the m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/26 07:17 AM |
| 8 | I have noticed that the phrase "not all men" is mostly used by Feminists to say "not all men... but ALWAYS a man/mostly men"Maybe it's because "Not all men" is an insider's rebuke. It's not really a rebuke to MRAs. It's a rebuke against their internal conscience or the not completely misandrists of their group. As in they start to believe all these heinous things about men, but then realize that most men that they interact with aren't like that. But they want to retain the privileges that they get from considering all men bad, so they develop those mantras: "not all men, but enough men" and left unsaid but subconscio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/26 07:22 AM |
| 8 | Man I still can’t believe how acceptable misandry isHate speech against a group of people based on race or gender is forbidden on reddit. With two exceptions: 1. Hate speech against whites. 2. Hate speech against men. No, this is not a joke. No, this is not an exaggeration. Yes, this is official policy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/26 01:18 PM |
| 4 | I sometimes feel like The Bourgeoisie created and perpetuates modern "Patriarchy Theory" as a tool of divide and rule."I feel like that's by design." It's not by design, it's just systemic. It seems structured to benefit the Elite only in that whenever any ideology with a lot of influence like feminism starts threatening people with a lot of power and influence themselves, they push back and reshape the ideology and then go back to not caring. And in a sense, this is why feminism as a movement has replaced the civil rights movement. The civil rights movements meant more worker's rights, more citizens rights and… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/26 11:26 AM |
| 6 | Do you think that feminism might be useful in certain societal context?It is both intertwined. Feminists in general are failing to renounce and denounce the misandry within their movements. Feminism as an ideology is multifaceted and has many variants but all these variants are fundamentally influenced by misandrists within the movement and those how while don't necessarily hate men directly, fail to fully account for men's perspective in the way they form their understanding of society and therefore end up advocating for policy that is unfair to men and fail to ha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/26 05:14 PM |
| 11 | Do you think that feminism might be useful in certain societal context?What is the murder rate of male victims vs female victims in your country? I'd wager it is far higher for men. I theorize that feminism takes attention away from the need for security for men. This forces men into hypermasculinity to maintain high enough social status to be physically and materially safe. The feminist movement contains far too many misandrists that will prevent any real efforts to improvement men's safety and security while at the same time siphoning away the precious little min… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/26 08:50 AM |
| 17 | Countries with stronger precarious manhood beliefs (being a “real man” is something that requires constant demonstration through behavior and achievement) tend to have lower national happiness, but also lower GDP, lower life expectancy, lower social support, and heightened perceptions of corruption.100%, a corrupt unstable system is one where people can't reliably call on police for protection. Which means they have to protect themselves. When it comes to protecting yourself you really don't want to get into a fight, the dangers are high. So what you do is you must project strength and the willingness to fight. Women are naturally weaker so they generally just can't, so they look for men who will protect them. This establishes and reinforces clear gender roles. Men are doubly incentivized … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/03/26 09:24 AM |
| 2 | Two in five victims of what the UK government defines as violence against women and girls are neither women nor girls, but adult men.And also, why are they singling out acts of violence or abuse that disproportionately affect women and girls? Should we not also address acts of violence or abuse that disproportionately affect men and boys? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/25 02:06 PM |
| 5 | Is feminisms subverting whole identify of Man?Feminists have fought to give women equal property rights to men. With, to my knowledge, the last remaining thing that needed fixing being in the seventies where married women had to get their husband's signature to get a credit card. So that is technically fighting for gender equality by fighting against and injustice against women. Arguably you could say they did not fight for gender equality as a whole because, historically, many of these restrictions were balanced with responsibilities place… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/25 07:34 AM |
| 17 | Is feminisms subverting whole identify of Man?What exactly has feminism done that has helped men indirectly? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/25 07:28 AM |
| 44 | Is feminisms subverting whole identify of Man?The "women earn $0.7 for every dollar a man makes" things is a great example of this. I wish I had proper references for this. In Obama's inauguration he explicitly says it's $0.7 for every dollar, doing the same job. The white house then later published a correction saying he "misspoke". Over ten years later, Kamal is on Steven Colbert's show. She parrots the 70 cents line. Colbert asks her point blank, "Is that for doing the same job". She says yes. Colbert doesn't follow up. They lie, lie, li… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/25 07:27 AM |
| 10 | I realize how most dating advice for men you get from people is unhelpful, sexist, and biased, and why I think that's the case.I don't understand this. The advice for men is generally not bad in that it will help your chances. But ultimately you could fail all of these and still get a girlfriend. Conversely you can succeed at all of those and still fail to get a girlfriend. There are other considerations like self-sabotage, anxiety, inability to engage meaningfully with women, charisma. Some of these can be extremely difficult to give effective advice about. The advice for women is absolutely terrible and unhelpful or e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/25 01:49 PM |
| 11 | Our favorite YouTuber gives us another great take on men. /sAba N Preach: They make social commentary / comedy content. Often touching on gender issues. Generally left leaning. Somewhat anti-woke but reasonably so. Other contenders, but don't really make the cut: Destiny: Very much liberal left (more liberal than leftist, which many here dislike). But his stance on feminism and men's issues is a bit wishy washy. I think he suffers from a common problem with men like him: he is a huge sociopathic asshole with enormous amount of privilege, and just can't u… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/10/25 07:54 AM |
| 2 | How the right is actually hurting men more than the left.No it's not. The right is literally actively destroying democracy and the rule of law. The fact that it's going to destroy women's right equally as it will destroy men's rights doesn't change the fact that this is orders of magnitude worse than anything democrats have done against men. And we can't call it the left, because what they've been doing has been discriminatory against men and opposite to egalitarian principles. The democratic party of the last few decades has not been leftist on gende… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/25 07:56 PM |
| 2 | Support subreddits?Honestly, this seems like terrible idea for a theme/name. It emphasizes victimizations and just creates blackpill mentality among victim, reinforcing how bad they have it and the negative aspects rather than being solutions oriented and uplifting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/25 03:23 PM |
| 12 | The “Got My Notes Mixed Up” Method for Men’s RightsThere are other coping mechanism. Opposite to your suggestion, but with the same result. They'll just think harder until they come up with an explanation that aligns with their preconceived ideological narrative. Some people will completely understand and then completely forget an hour or two later (or the next time they speak with someone with the alternate interpretation). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/25 12:33 PM |
| 10 | How can we convince women to challenge misandry?That's a pretty compelling perspective. "They must liberate themselves from their feminine insecurities" Can you give examples of these insecurities? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/25 07:51 AM |
| 22 | How do you feel about people pointing out sexual dimorphism?Sexual dimorphism is a hell of a lot more than just the ability to get pregnant. It manifests itself in height, strength, preferences, moods etc... Most of these are differences in averages, they are not universal. I see two aspects to your topic: justified vs unjustified prejudice and liberalism vs collectivism. With collectivism, the idea is that the good of the society outweighs the good of the individual. So if, for society's sake, you are barred from opportunities because of things that oth… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/25 09:01 AM |
| 22 | Young men on both sides feel the same way in feminismIn addition to everything le-doppelganger said. Do not conflate feminism with women's rights advocacy. There is so much misandry in feminism that it is doing a disservice to equal rights for women. There is absolutely room for both men and women rights advocacy at the same time. There is no room for feminism and men's rights advocacy because feminism is far too misandrist. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/25 05:00 AM |
| 5 | Equity or equal victimhood?Hi there, thanks for raising this point. I’ve been reading for a while but haven’t commented, partly because something’s felt a bit artificial—and I think you’ve touched on why. There’s a growing tendency for posts to feel more like position statements than contributions to a shared conversation. When things come across as overly composed or detached, it starts to feel like we’re responding to presentations rather than engaging with others. That subtly shifts the tone of the space. The concern i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 02:08 PM |
| 9 | Equity or equal victimhood?As someone invested in honest discussion around men’s issues, I’ve noticed a growing concern: the suspicious use of AI, particularly ChatGPT, to generate content in spaces like this. I’m not against tools that help clarify thoughts, especially on complex topics. But there’s a clear difference between assistance and outsourcing. Too many posts now read like polished essays—well-structured, emotionally neutral, and oddly disconnected. It raises the question: are we engaging with people or just alg… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/25 02:01 PM |
| 2 | Have you heard of Postgenderism?This video demonstrates that we do have a lot of evidence to show that gender is inherent as in sexual dimorphic behavior from birth. (57) Brainwash: Nature or Nurture - YouTube | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/25 10:10 AM |
| 15 | "If you feel attacked, you're the problem!""A masculine man doesn't care about a woman's opinion." Or more broadly, if you're not powerful enough to be above all this then you are below consideration. People will respect, listen and help a weak woman. They will not do the same for weak men. By claiming that there are social issues that are harming all men and that it requires other's help to address this issue, you are implying that there is a problem affecting you and you can't solve it without begging for help: you are weak. This is wh… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/25 06:08 PM |
| 36 | In the presidential elections in Poland, just like in the United States, the conservative candidate won due to male voters. It seems like a pattern, and liberal / left political forces need to start doing something about it.And it's pretty catastrophic. Because I don't think young men are approaching it rationally and strategically. I think that they just feel how much the left hates them, so they adopt the beliefs of the right. The longer this last the bigger of a generation of young men we're losing to the right. People don't easily change the beliefs they've formed when they were 13-25 years old. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/06/25 05:47 AM |
| 4 | Once you see it you can't unsee itIs there any way to meaningfully push against this narrative, or are you guys more in favor of accelerationism? This just pure speculation. But I think you push back, not to change the movement but to get the reasonable people out of the movement. So the misandrists will be fewer in number and more radical. So what this looks like in practice, is that you start being more vocal about your perspective and you try to form a new social group with those who seem amenable to that perspective, and you… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/25 07:31 AM |
| 2 | My friend believes the left is too misandrist and has fallen for the alt-right.Ok I understand better where you're coming from when saying I wasn't addressing why he feels this way. I wasn't trying to handwave away the reality of the misandry present in western institutions. I was more like treating it as something everyone here agrees on. In many areas this misandry is marginal at best. If you lose faith in these institutions, you lose out on all the benefits they can provide. The better you understand them, the more you can leverage them for personal power. The alt-right… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/25 06:28 PM |
| -2 | My friend believes the left is too misandrist and has fallen for the alt-right.who is absolutely a terrible option Again, I had a couple more paragraph on that topic written but given that no one's bothered to read the whole thing I don't think I can be blamed for that. But there's a lot going on. First, op has already expressed frustration about his friend;'s inability to understand the incoherence of his ideological position. In my experience a lot of people have an aversion to believing anything that isn't being promoted by a large institutional ideological movement. I … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/25 11:42 AM |
| -2 | My friend believes the left is too misandrist and has fallen for the alt-right."ignore why the friend feels the way he does" 80% of my post is specifically speculation on that topic. E.g. : - His past experience has caused him to feel disempowered and he''s now looking for ways to regain it. - He's probably losing trust in institutions - The alt-right propaganda machine is very effective and is contribution to the way that he feels. I used to have a paragraph in there about how he met his friend at 13 and there are things core to people's personality that are easy to gloss… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/25 11:42 AM |
| -3 | My friend believes the left is too misandrist and has fallen for the alt-right.I write a wall of text with a wide variety of points, I get downvoted to oblivion and the only one able to bring any kind of argument says "Destiny's a cuck lulz" What is happening to this subreddit? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/25 06:07 PM |
| -10 | My friend believes the left is too misandrist and has fallen for the alt-right.I don't know if he's a cuck or not, I know that he's been in an open relationship. But still, yes, he is very anti soy. I stand by my recommendation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/25 10:47 AM |
| -15 | My friend believes the left is too misandrist and has fallen for the alt-right.I wrote a whole wall of text, but for your friend's particular situation, I think you best bet might be to get him to watch Destiny (the streamer, not the game). Destiny is bisexual, anti-soy and protective of his personal power. And he's currently getting sued for sex crimes (and he is guilty of committing some improper sex stuff but none of the stuff that he's being sued for is actually true so he's going to win the court case). So his persona esthetics should be a perfect match for your frien… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/25 08:05 AM |
| 9 | What a horrible court decision has been released in the UK today.Yep, egalitarian MRAs aren't actually invested in gatekeeping who is or who isn't a man because they are advocating for equality. Feminists are increasingly invested in gatekeeping who is or who isn't a woman because they are advocating for privileges that will favor women at the expense of men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/25 09:55 PM |
| 11 | Transphobia is Both Misandrist and Misogynist, and We Need to Fight It.I don't know if I should be considered pro trans or not. I generally agree that a lot of trans activism is unhinged. I've ended adopting my own personal understanding of the topic: Gender is a social construct. The majority of people view gender from a biological essentialist lense. Which means that the socially constrcuted gender is more or less the same as biological sex. But there is a growing minority that see things differently. Regardless everyone should be respectful of others on an indiv… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/04/25 10:24 AM |
| 1 | Let's be clear about Jordan Peterson ...He uses ideas from others to justify his beliefs. His description of the practicality of religion makes a lot of sense to me, as in, religious culture is the product of 100s or event 1000s of years of social evolution so it contains a lot of value in it that we don't understand. But he just stops there and goes: whelp! my desire to believe in god is justified, case closed! But anyone can tell that society has changed too much and too fast and most old religious traditions are just maladapted. An… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/25 06:42 AM |
| 3 | Let's be clear about Jordan Peterson ...I disagree. It's just a platitude. When you're young, taking a lopsided approach to succeed in one area that is high cost, high risk, high reward is a very viable strategy. You just can't keep doing it your whole life. The point is. It's not true for everyone, especially young people. It's a platitude that feels true, but when you account for the nuance is just not nearly as universally applicable as it seems. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/25 06:30 AM |
| 5 | Men are seen as the primary obstacles to Génocidaires; as such all "military-age men" are rendered threats, terrorists, combatants, etc. making this a "slave/owners" thing is objectively incorrect. This effacement is a form of genocide apologia. Framing them as "owners" is dehumanizing the victims.Can you provide more context? What is a Genocidaire? Who is doing what here? You use "they" and the passive form which makes it very difficult to follow. You mention Adam Jones's work but don't say what it is. It feels like you wrote a post in 10 minutes that would require me to do 10 hours of research to understand. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/25 07:30 AM |
| 1 | What did you think of Netflix's Adolescence?What worries me is that they shouldn't be sympathetic. As I understand the sequence of events and motivations behind them, Jamie is an evil piece of shit that deserves no sympathy. And to be clear, while he looks 10 years old, he is 13 years old. And I'm very worried that a lot of people will go through the following sequence of IRL event: - Parents watch show, are very sympathetic toward the 10 year old looking boy. - Eventually come to understand how evil Jamie was and that their sympathy was … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/25 03:11 PM |
| 4 | What did you think of Netflix's Adolescence?It's important to understand that this is fiction. It is written to present a message. In this show there are two adolescents who have displayed violence. Jamie: who murdered Katie. And Katie's best friend, who shoved Jamie's friend down and stomped on him. If you take gender out of the equation and use the context provided in the show in the first two episodes you get this message: Some teenagers can become violent because society has failed to provide them the bare minimum of stability that th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/25 03:02 PM |
| 1 | What are the essential basics someone new to male advocacy should know?If all of society begins adopting an ideology that dehumanizes billionaires and would likely lead to their lynching like in the french revolution, then billionaires would be entirely within their moral right to treat this as a declaration of war and war right back. I don't think dehumanizing anyone is ever a sensible course of action. Even if it's just a side effect of the adoption of some ideology that otherwise seems good. Which leads me right back to my pet peeve: Critical Theory. Any ideolog… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/25 08:38 AM |
| 2 | What are the essential basics someone new to male advocacy should know?Check the list of men's issue in the mission statement. Also, note that "men being able to act feminine" and "men being expected to perform great achievements" are probably not the most important issues. And addressing these issues without putting in an enormous amount of care and consideration can make things worse rather than better. But these tend to be the only two issues that someone with a feminist background will know about, or at times will believe that all men's issues should be somehow… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/25 09:25 AM |
| 2 | The Patriarchy is the left’s “DEI”/“woke”I put it all under the "Critical Theory" umbrella. The Wikipedia article provides what I consider an extremely charitable description of it. But the part of it that creates its fatal flaw is still there, namely that it intentionally lacks objectivity, which means that practitioners eventually lose touch with reality. Critical theory - Wikipedia Critical theory examines how dominant groups and structures influence what society considers objective truth, challenging the very notion of pure objecti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/25 09:14 AM |
| 4 | Got muted from Healthygamer for saying women need menOr they want to stay clear of blackpill ideology because it worsens people's mental health and can re-trigger a bad mind space for people recovering from blackpill ideology. You should show use the exact comment if you want us to judge whether their response was reasonable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/02/25 09:16 AM |
| 4 | The problem with "raising awareness"How are you going to change the laws without taking action? The information is already out there for anyone who cares to learn. How are you going to bring people to ingest that information without taking action? Taking action is hard but it is a sensible next step. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/25 01:35 PM |
| 2 | Any good KINDLE BOOKS on mens gender issues (especially circumcision and male sexual trauma, our cultural approach to it, etc, but I am interested in all) written by feminists or women?Feminism is a gendered label. A movement genuinely striving for gender equality would not choose to operate under a label that refers specifically to one but not the other gender. Basically, an endeavor to change feminism to truly be for equality for both men and women would have to start by changing the label it operates under. But if it's not called feminism anymore then is it still feminism? I don't think so. Also I'm curious, do you have some examples of these "women having important discuss… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 01:23 PM |
| 3 | Conservatism is deeply misandristNo, it's society/government's job to provide people with the tools they need to succeed. The message of self reliance coming from right wing politicians (who are responsible for the government) is just an excuse to avoid taking responsibility for not providing the help that a lot of people require. Especially people in poor neighborhoods with underfunded schools and failing to provide an effective path for retraining in areas where changes in macroeconomics has caused local industries to leave. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/24 11:35 AM |
| 18 | Conservatism is deeply misandristFeminist ultimately treat "patriarchy" as everything that's wrong with the world. So obviously "patriarchy" hurts men too. The problem is calling it a patriarchy, or thinking that it's going to fix anything to take power away from men as a class and give it to women as class. Conservative/right wing ideology absolutely hundred percent treats men as an expendable commodity even more so than feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/24 07:48 AM |
| 4 | K Harris perpetuates the '80 cents on the dollar' hoaxAround twenty years ago, democrats were trying to push for this "green economy" thing where there would be all these environment related jobs. But that never took off. So now they're going for the feminist economy. Lots of government jobs to manage these regulations, and lots of consultant jobs to help corporations navigate and respect these regulations. My guess is that this initiative alone is going to create spending in the hundreds of millions per year, at least. Feminism is a multi billion … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/24 04:45 PM |
| 18 | K Harris perpetuates the '80 cents on the dollar' hoaxEveryone knows this. Corporations know this. Politicians know this. Employees want this, corporations don't want it. So politicians talk about the wage gap instead. I'm not Ameriican, but anyone who is a young American, you should know that this used to be the norm. Hypocritical politicians tell you things that sound like the things you want then ending up not really doing it because it goes against the interests of those funding their campaigns. And I can't wait for that kind of politics to com… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/24 04:29 PM |
| 17 | K Harris perpetuates the '80 cents on the dollar' hoaxThat is nuts. I remember Obama making the same "mistake" and then the Whitehouse made a statement that was largely ignored claiming he had simply misspoke. You gotta go read this: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/20/politics/kamala-harris-pay-equity-proposal/index.html She wants to force companies to disclose data about pay disparity between men and women and then have it fixed. In that plan it is quite clear that work performance must be included in the calculations. So this is really meant to b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/24 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Paper given out that is meant to "Identify and Prevent Gender Based Bias in Police Responding in SA/DV" contains nothing about anti-male bias and in fact encourages doubting male victimsI'm not sure if you've understood my point or not. They don't have to plan That's kinda my point. [They] just platform the divisive one, and shut up the reasonable voices That's a plan being implemented by a cohesive group with an agenda and an ideology backing that agenda (divide and conquer). Which is kinda the opposite of how I suspect things work. So I don't really understand what you're saying. In terms of practical consequences what I'm trying to get at here is that if what I believe is co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/24 04:09 AM |
| -2 | Paper given out that is meant to "Identify and Prevent Gender Based Bias in Police Responding in SA/DV" contains nothing about anti-male bias and in fact encourages doubting male victimsWow, what a genius you are. So fast with your analysis! I wish I could be more like you! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/08/24 03:00 PM |
| 2 | Paper given out that is meant to "Identify and Prevent Gender Based Bias in Police Responding in SA/DV" contains nothing about anti-male bias and in fact encourages doubting male victimsWhen it comes to class warfare, I'm not sure how much of it is planned and intentional vs organic and systemic. The upper class isn't really that much more cohesive and organized than the lower class. They fight each other just as much as they fight to control the lower class. Any given rich person will ally themselves with the lower class to amass and maintain power. When it comes to the lower class trying to get something for themselves, a rich person will only fight back when it affects them … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/08/24 08:30 AM |
| 16 | Paper given out that is meant to "Identify and Prevent Gender Based Bias in Police Responding in SA/DV" contains nothing about anti-male bias and in fact encourages doubting male victimsI need to understand why the Duluth model hasn't been completely embarrassed out of existence. And what it would take to make that happen. I had a short conversation with ChatGPT on the subject. From the looks of it, the Duluth model does not have real scientific backings. There are papers that vaguely support some of its claims but a lot of its core principles (e.g. domestic violence is rooted in gender power dynamics) have already been scientifically debunked. Many of its claims are nearly imp… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/08/24 06:44 AM |
| 1 | Anyone else overwhelmed by the dating advice?It's really difficult to give advice when you've said so little of yourself. From my personal perspective, I feel that all this advice was mostly correct, but I wasn't looking to be a PUA that gets laid with a 8-9 3x per week. Just looking for a simple girlfriend, and the key there is yes, you have to do a lot of that stuff, but not all of it, and for the rest, just a tiny little bit is enough. All the gurus are trying to get you to be an expert at everything, and it's really not necessary. Bare… | /r/MenSupportMen | 08/08/24 06:05 PM |
| 5 | Do manipulators will ever get their karma ?? 😭Bad things happen to bad people a little more often than bad things happening to good people. That's about it. Reason is, good people don't like hanging around bad people so bad people tend to be surrounded by more bad people. Best you can do is spend more time thinking about yourself and the people you care about and less time worrying about manipulators. Learn to recognize manipulators and reduce their influence in your life. Be wary of those unwilling or incapable of cutting manipulators out … | /r/MenSupportMen | 02/08/24 02:44 PM |
| 2 | Read the comments on this post and tell me size doesn’t matterIt doesn't make as big of a difference as it seems. You CAN have a very satisfying sex life with your partner regardless of penis size (thought that may not work for all partners). You penis is not that small. And I suspect will work just fine for most women. A LOT of women can't be satisfied by a penis of any size. It won't make a real difference to them. I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'd say it's very unlikely, but possible that you get rejected because of your penis size. I'd also say tha… | /r/MenSupportMen | 02/08/24 11:56 AM |
| 1 | I hate modern dating adviceI'm no expert, but I think the piece of the puzzle you're missing is paying attention to women's feelings. And I don't mean don't ever make them feel bad. In fact, the god tier womanizer takes a woman on a whole rollercoaster adventure of emotions, while still making her feel secure enough to stay along for the ride. Anytime you can get a girl to feel something, you've made progress. That's what all these advice boil down to: "flirt with her, tease her, banter, etc...": it's just make her feel f… | /r/MenSupportMen | 02/07/24 07:24 AM |
| 8 | I was telling my sister that I’d been engaging with lots of feminist groups *and* men’s rights groups, but she was saying she doesn’t think calling them men’s rights groups is the right terminology because there’s a lot of rights that men have had over the years that women haven’tIt's a bit more than a semantic issue because it connects into the knowledge base she gets her information from and how inclined to accept misandrist ideology she is. Demanding that all gender equality discussion occur under the label feminism is discriminatory against men. And that's just one of the over a hundred different misandrist concepts and ideas promoted in feminist circles. I just can't believe that someone who is active in modern feminist discussion for long (over 2 years) and keep pr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 06:12 AM |
| -4 | Should we apply Marx to men's issues?Most people seem to have their own interpretation of what Marxism/Socialism is. Which kinda muddies the discussion. I thought I'd try to do better and read up on it a little. I found the Communist Manifesto. The actual manifesto starts at page 40, the rest is a bunch of stuff someone else wrote as preamble. And this is how it starts: The history of all hitherto existing society2 is the history of class struggles. Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master3 and journey… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/06/24 11:43 AM |
| -2 | Should we apply Marx to men's issues?Agreed, I don't know why you're getting downvoted so hard. Your objection to Marxism seems very much on point against the bulk of Marxists today. I think it's true that Marxist himself didn't advocate for any kind of totalitarian movement and that he tried to have a nuanced understanding of the world. I'm pretty sure I've read that he believed that socialism was inevitable and that capitalism will simply self destruct. As in, we don't need to eliminate capitalism, we just need to wait for it to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/06/24 11:19 AM |
| 36 | Women's Groups in Italy demand men to 'stay silent' about Domestic Abuse. They perceive helping these men as an "attack on women."Lol, time to throw this one back in their faces: "some people become so accustomed to privilege that equality feels like oppression to them". Feminists being reactionaries. Expect more of that in the future. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/06/24 11:05 PM |
| 14 | Is there some term for the unwillingness to assign any malignant agency to anything women individually or collectively do? Example: when a woman murders her husband its is always portrayed as 'he made her do it'.if not for the fact that there’s much more leeway to blame men as a group without incurring a sexist label Yep, blaming men as a group has been largely legitimized in influential institutions. I think the two key tools used to do that are "Reactionaries" and "Toxic Masculinity". Reactionary: When men object to injustices visited upon them, they are classified as reactionaries and accused of being so accustomed to being privileged that equality feels like injustice to them. Toxic Masculinity: A l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/06/24 04:06 PM |
| 11 | Trying to understand this a bit myself but from a more holistic perspective why would a man on the top rather either add hurdles to a man on the bottom of hierarchy or worse, be completely apathetic to his hardships and turmoils?I have a whole bunch of theories on this. I can't prove they're true, but if all you need is something credible to internalize that it can happen then this can help: First, different people have different motivations, so not necessarily all apply to the same person. But any of these (or some combination thereof) could apply. 1. Keep women close and men far. It's an instinctual or intentional reproductive strategy. Men at the top levels of power interact almost exclusively with influential people… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/06/24 11:08 AM |
| 24 | Have you ever met any women who was sympathetic to men’s issues?The two fake "I care about men too" men's issues are: Men not being able to open up / be vulnerable. The stigma against men expressing feminine attributes. Addressing these issues does nothing to empower men in the areas that are much more important (such as homelessness, demonization, equal opportunity, presumption of innocence). And when applied without the proper nuance (which is I suspect happens a lot), leads to men being afraid to show strength, or recognize, accept and use their own power… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/05/24 05:31 PM |
| 11 | How can we actually properly talk about men's issues?Why do you think the left has done such a poor job? They have fostered outright contempt for men for decades which increasingly leads to discriminatory laws, regulations and treatment. Just to be clear, this mistreatment of men is multiple orders of magnitude less that the mistreatment of women has been at certain times and places in human history (if you don't account for war and slavery, I don't know the effect of these on the calculus). Do you think the left cares more about women's issues th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/24 11:45 AM |
| 1 | Convicted paedophile teacher appeals to overturn conviction on basis of her genderYour 451 post seems very interesting, I hope I find some time to read it properly. It's kinda sad that your click-baity post is getting so much more attention. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/24 10:50 PM |
| 1 | How bad is the current state of academia?Well, I'd be interested in hearing your perspective. Most importantly, what the best/most rigorous condemnation (or analysis) of the current state of affairs of the social science? I already got recommended "Cynical Theories" by Helen Pluckrose, which I may decide to read. But I'm wondering if there's something a bit more academic as well even if not quite so popular (or ideologically aligned). And if you care to answer, here's the kind of stuff I'd like to know: Is there a prevalence of outrigh… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/24 09:48 PM |
| 6 | Convicted paedophile teacher appeals to overturn conviction on basis of her genderI did smell something a little fishy here. And while you're right that it's worth looking into how these kinds of things affect statistics, including criminal statistics. Context here is key. The teach here was convicted in 2022 based on actions she committed in 1970 (52 years ago!). But the law in 1970 was gendered, basically what she did was not illegal at the time (even though a man doing the same thing to a girl would have been). The law was replaced in 1984. You're talking about gender disc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/24 09:24 PM |
| 1 | How bad is the current state of academia?This enormous work is called science. No it's not. It's research. Whether you can call it science depends entirely on the consensus forming mechanism. Which is essentially part of what I'm trying to understand here. Is the consensus forming mechanism in social sciences completely broken. In other words is there actually any science in there? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/05/24 07:43 PM |
| 1 | How bad is the current state of academia?If I could actually get the answers I wanted from Chat GPT, I would have presented those answers here. You mention Annas Archive like I cant just spend 5 minutes on there and get valuable info. That's just not possible. All the info is there, but finding it and making sense of it is an enormous amount of work. Meanwhile I get this effortlessly from Chat GPT. It's pretty bad, because I can't be confident about the relevance oh what it provided and I don't know what should be there but is missing,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/05/24 10:52 PM |
| 21 | How bad is the current state of academia?The problem is, even if you don't bother with college. College bothers with you. Decision makers base their decision on what consultants tell them and consultants base what they say on what academics are saying. If you've heard of the Sweet Baby Inc. controversy. That's what this is about, they get all of their credibility from academia. Completely morally bankrupt decision makers need someone to tell them right from wrong in a way that's backed by scientific evidence because they are completely… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/05/24 08:12 PM |
| 9 | How bad is the current state of academia?I might buy the book and read it. Asking Chat GPT about people critical about the book just gets me more books and people saying that her book lacks academic rigor. Asking Chat GPT to give me actual peer reviewed papers and I just get clownery and ironically, the grievance studies papers, they were after all, peer reviewed. I'm so ready to believe that pretty much all of social science is a bunch of garbage. But's that's an extraordinary claim, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evid… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/05/24 07:45 PM |
| 17 | Does anyone have any good recommendations for assessing rates of suicidality amongst short men?I asked Scholar GPT (a Chat GPT plugin) the only thing it really found was from 2005: https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.162.7.1373 The real question we're trying to answer is whether society's treatment of short men is causing them undue stress with ramifications including suicide. Personally, I think social science is simply not capable of properly answering these kinds of questions. The study I linked does give some credence to the hypothesis, but there may be many oth… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/24 12:02 PM |
| 19 | The absolute state that is r/menslibbYou're mixing it up. What you're looking for is the narcissist's prayer: That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it. That didn't happen: misandry don't real. It wasn't that bad: Women have it way worse That's not my fault: Feminism helps men too I didn't mean it: That's not the real feminism You deserved it: Toxic Masculinity | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/24 10:57 AM |
| 12 | What are the criteria for determining gender discrimination?It depends on who you ask. Mainstream feminists still rely on the oppressed-oppressor dynamic. But academics, I think, have moved past this (because it's indefensible), but they still talk about patriarchy and toxic masculinity (or traditional masculinity or hegemonic masculinity). But with a little bit of slight of hand and equivocation this academic work continues to support the idea of broad sexism and oppression of women to the benefit of men that needs to be redressed through policy action.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/24 10:08 PM |
| 18 | Partner considering your male advocacy the opposite side / opinionI have as a core requirement that my relationship partner must be capable of rational thought and empathy towards me. And yes I had been single for a very long time before I met my, now, girlfriend. But in my experience and belief, for someone in your situation the key word is empathy. She's likely been pummeled with rhetoric and ideology that has desensitized her to men's perspective and issues on an emotional level. When talking about this, you need to pay attention primarily to how she feels … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/24 02:05 PM |
| 1 | Too much of my identity comes from being a provider. How do I change that?How have you started that process (changing what you value about yourself) in the past? I guess I just decided that I would. But it takes a long time, as in years. There are so many things that make it difficult. You've spent your whole life learning to make the type of compromises to adapt to your old values, and you'll need a whole different set of compromises for your new values. Also, your old identity didn't come about by accident. There are likely things in you have in you that predisposed… | /r/MenSupportMen | 03/04/24 02:33 PM |
| 1 | Too much of my identity comes from being a provider. How do I change that?Provider isn't necessarily less wholesome. But it might not be well adapted to your current situation. I wouldn't recommend doubling down on the provider role if your economic situation doesn't support it, but I wouldn't blame you either. I think this idea of "replacing" is absolutely the right way to go. A concept that served me well in my life is that when I want to change something about myself, I don't focus on what I'm trying to change away from, I find something to change towards. One sugg… | /r/MenSupportMen | 03/04/24 10:42 AM |
| 5 | Men’s therapyCheck out Doctor K. He's trying to raise awareness of this. As well as a bit on how to help with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt6UmH1EflY He does talk about how suicide isn't exclusive caused by mental disorders. It can also be caused by "shit life syndrome". You seem to be trying to say that society is so fucked that no one can have a life worth living within it. That's just not true. There are most likely ways to pull yourself out of whatever shit hole you're in. Dr. K has paired his th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 11:41 AM |
| 43 | We entered "what are criticisms of feminism" into Gemini's AI prompt/answer system. This is what we received.They are all written from a neutral point of view except anti-male sentiment which it characterizes as a misinterpretation. Much more interesting is asking it questions like: What is misandry? What is misogyny? How does misandry manifest in society? How does misogyny manifest in society? For misandry it makes sure to include feminist critics to the response. For misogyny it makes sure to include caveats related to intersectionality (which I'll note is also the first item on your list of critic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/02/24 10:03 PM |
| 2 | How to offer basic critical analysis of patriarchal centered gendered studiesI'll try to give you a more thorough response, but I just want to say that I appreciate the level headed response. I was feeling bad that my comment came off as more accusatory than I wanted. Also, I do recognize that HCQ is a vast improvement over Patriarchy (and also over Gynarchy or Matriarchy which I've also seen advocated for on here). And to be clear, I don't speak for the community and yes, many of my takes are very much minority opinions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/02/24 01:04 AM |
| 12 | How to offer basic critical analysis of patriarchal centered gendered studiesI like the idea of moving away from "patriarchy" as a way to label society's gender structure. I don't agree that trying to achieve equality by looking at society through the lens of gender is particularly effective. You can identify many inequalities by looking at society through the lens of gender. But you can't build your understanding of society from a primarily gender based lens and hope to make real progress. It just distracts from other types of inequalities, especially class inequality. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/02/24 03:23 PM |
| 6 | Thoughts on gamergateRead the article. The FBI investigated Zoey's "harassers" and found almost nothing. Just a couple of 8chan troll who would harassed both sides just to add fuel to the fire. The uproar was about biased gaming journalism, kowtowing to SJW (now called woke culture) but really should be called misandrist ideology, and generally showing disgusting contempt for their customers. Outright making false accusations about gamers involved in gamer gate. At that time, you didn't have the kind of independent … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 05:20 PM |
| 3 | What are the limits of feminist theory for male advocacy?I'm talking about from the misandrists feminists perspective. You're not going to be able to get them to go against their own agenda no matter how hard you try. As in "you can't trick them into arguing in favor of fair treatment for men when it might get in the way of women's privilege over men". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/24 05:40 PM |
| 6 | What are the limits of feminist theory for male advocacy?That game doesn't work. As in, how f'ing stupid do you think feminists are? The really dumb ones believe in this stuff because they sense that it benefits them. They're not going to spend much time trying to understand your tortuous logic that on its surface seems to be to benefit men. The smart ones will see you coming a mile away. And to add to that there are hundreds of feminists, smarter than you, working full time to come up with counter arguments for all arguments of the kind you present. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/24 10:56 AM |
| 1 | I have a question for LeftWingMale AdvocatesAlso people wants to know what the belief is called by it name. I don't, especially these days as people keep redefining what those names mean. So knowing the name that someone may attach to their beliefs actually tells you very little about what their beliefs really are provided they are independent thinkers. If they're the kind of people who just want to adopt the beliefs of their social group, then the label in combination of knowing their social environment should be enough to give you a goo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/24 07:21 PM |
| 2 | I have a question for LeftWingMale AdvocatesHow do you figure? In my experience, people who are very knowledgeable about what a libertarian system means in practice tend to be anti-egalitarian. The rare few times I was able to get one of them to tell me what they really think this system leads to they did admit, that it's going to cause a lot of suffering for a whole hell of a lot of people. And I generally assume they don't see themselves as one of those suffering, they see themselves as one of those who get to profit from all that suffe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/24 06:01 PM |
| 1 | I have a question for LeftWingMale Advocatesugh, now we live in a world where words keep changing meaning so fast they don't mean anything anymore. In the context of this subreddit, I believe the general interpretation of the word "left" is as egalitarian and liberal (liberal as in valuing individuals right to self determination and forging their own path, within reason). Because of course the word liberal has been co-opted 17 different ways as well. You say that you agree that gender roles don't exist. But I don't. Gender roles do exist.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/24 02:40 PM |
| 3 | I have a question for LeftWingMale AdvocatesTo me, the big distinction between left and right is in terms of social welfare, social equality, economic equality, respect for civil rights. And, within reason, having those things be regardless of who you are or where you're from. In general while both left and right MRAs tend to agree about the double standards found in society. They tend to disagree in terms of what to do about it. For example, leftist MRAs may argue for more lenient treatment of men under the law whereas rightwing MRA will… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/24 01:29 PM |
| 25 | Insecurity in men is largely considered a moral failingMaybe I just look to deep for irony, but its just... "fragile male ego". Yes, some men are a bit too insecure and they need to work on it. Perhaps referring to that situation with "fragile male ego" maybe the dumbest fucking thing to help those who need it. "toxic masculinity". Some men's obsession with masculinity, including masculine bravado, can be harmful to themselves and those around them. Let's use the insensitive debasing term of "toxic masculinity" to refer to this phenomenon. Don't wor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/24 04:18 PM |
| 1 | New EU Directive on Femicide has been approved: Male Victims are second class citizens in EU nowWhile there can be understanding for the perpetrator(s) motivation, that shouldn't lessen the harsh judgement for harmful actions they committed. In the vast majority of situations, it 100% absolutely should. If you're tricked or brainwashed into doing something wrong you're most certainly not as accountable as if you were doing it with full knowledge of the situation (e.g. for personal gain). In this situation it's a little different. In principle, these are people placed in position of immense… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/24 04:03 PM |
| 3 | New EU Directive on Femicide has been approved: Male Victims are second class citizens in EU nowYo, chill a little. I mean, I'm pissed off as well. But I frankly don't understand the exact mechanism by which this got sent through and how or why it is so supported. Chances are a lot of the people who approved this are not an expert on the topic and just relying on expert advice from consultants who are in turn relying on the general consensus coming out of academia, many who in turn are just doing what they think is right because they've been brainwashed by the people that came before them … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/24 08:33 AM |
| 8 | New EU Directive on Femicide has been approved: Male Victims are second class citizens in EU nowMy pet theory on that topic these days is as follows: Historically, progressives have wanted better civil rights and social welfare for all. Conservatives/rightwingers were split between misogynist conservatives who want women to be entirely dependent on men and white knight conservatives who saw women as weak children needing to be protected and supported by the state. However all conservatives were united in opposition to better civil rights and social welfare for men. As a result only those p… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/24 08:25 AM |
| 65 | New EU Directive on Femicide has been approved: Male Victims are second class citizens in EU nowI'm actually so f'ing pissed off right now. I was starting to believe that the Istanbul Convention was a thing of the past, and that respect for men's rights was on the rise and something like that wouldn't pass in today's time. And yet here they are passing a directive to make it even worse. And promoting unfairly vilifying ideology of "incels promoting violence against women". As if there wasn't a huge problem of women promoting violence against men. They highlight cyberbullying. As if there w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/24 11:12 PM |
| 89 | What is happening to this sub?Not the OP, but I believe this is the comment they're referencing: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1alakga/comment/kpdituv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 In short the commenter doesn't want to support pro choice unless it's connected with paper abortion rights for men. My thoughts on the topic: Personally, I don't think it's a defacto given that you must be pro-choice to be a leftist. If you consider the featus to be a live human beings with full human right… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/24 10:57 PM |
| 47 | Feminism should be assertive, but it does not have to be antagonistic.Yes, much of feminism unfairly generalize men. But that's just one thing of a litany of things are really terrible about feminism. The good feminists never seem to hold the bad feminists accountable. By contrast, the bad feminists are very effective at silencing the good feminist. And even your "group 2" is still quite harmful to men because it patronizingly lectures them and sets up a set of rules of behavior for men for the near exclusive benefit of women. As in x, y and z is how men should be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/02/24 08:54 AM |
| 8 | Forgive me as I vent but I feel bitter that in a world where we had to grow up in a rapidly changing environment with economic recession, crises, inequility, mismanagement and social media warping the human psyche, men were basically just blamed for the problems they had as a result of that.If you need support, this isn't really the best place to get it. When you're not doing well, oftentimes participating in advocacy discussions can make things worse because a bit part of it is to highlight all the ways things are doing bad. And there's very little attention paid to the ways things are doing well. On the internet, you'll always find what you're looking for. If you're looking for people to confirm that you're doomed, you'll find it. I guess maybe the key is you need to figure out f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/01/24 09:47 PM |
| 2 | Forgive me as I vent but I feel bitter that in a world where we had to grow up in a rapidly changing environment with economic recession, crises, inequility, mismanagement and social media warping the human psyche, men were basically just blamed for the problems they had as a result of that.The world is full of echo chambers these days. If your social environment is full of misandrists, then go find another. If you're talking about the mainstream media, it is rapidly becoming less and less relevant. Which is something left-wing politicians need to clue themselves on ASAP because it's costing us (left wingers) a ton on the political front. I'm not sure how they can deal with it themselves. You can't really replicate on the left the Trump tactic of lying so much that people don't min… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/01/24 09:29 PM |
| 15 | Intersectionality is not coming to save men.The whole thing with transwomen is pretty good evidence of how complex misandry's presence within feminism is. But before I continue, I'll preface this by pointing out that this is insanely speculative. But because it's such an insanely complex system, it's hard to do better than insanely speculative. There's no feminist bible that says what is or isn't the correct feminist ideology. It's all a shit ton of people with their own ideas. The thing that binds them all together is the desire to eleva… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/01/24 08:57 PM |
| 116 | Intersectionality is not coming to save men.Want to talk about shell games, here's one for you: Black men in the US suffer immensely from police brutality. This is black men specifically, black women do not suffer from this anywhere near to the same extent. A highly publicized killing of a black man in police custody by the police has kicked off the Black Lives Matter movement to a whole new level. Under the banner of Black Lives Matter black issues gain more traction. Thanks to intersectional feminism, it is black women who are said to b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/01/24 12:12 PM |
| 20 | The Economist: Why polygamy breeds civil war (through worsening male loneliness.) Developing countries that practice polygamy in upper classes show us exactly the road we are heading down if we don't treat the male loneliness epidemic.This whole circlejerking around ENM seems absurd to me. It's ethical on the interpersonal level. But it's effect on society as a whole over the long term is exactly the same. Like they explain in the article, the top 10% of men and up with access to the top 40% of women, leaving the top 30% of men with no access to women and only paying for onlyfans. What this does is create extreme incentives for men to reach that top 10%. The stakes are high. So high in fact that these men are willing to risk … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/24 07:40 PM |
| 18 | Whataboutism is a justified and logical response in certain contexts, such as the dominance of women's issues over men's issues in terms of public attentionThat's exactly correct. I also like to add that if for some reason you're having a session that specifically discusses one aspect of a problem, it's good practice to begin by acknowledging the similar competing aspects of the problem. In today's age of echo chambers, it is necessary to do this to avoid radicalization. A lot of MRAs seem to disagree with this, they say it amounts to apologizing to feminists for speaking up, given feminists overwhelming presence and control in the mainstream discu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/24 07:23 PM |
| 2 | Was I wrong?WTF, please don't let internet trolls mess up your real life interactions. Here's my recommendation when it comes to helping strangers and it's gender neutral. First and foremost, make sure you understand what the risks are for you. Knowing that "asking for help" or "needing help" is a common tactic used by grifters and con artists. Mitigate the risks where you can and if you're willing to accept the risks in order to help a stranger, then you move on to step two. Offer to assist and determine i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/24 07:53 AM |
| 7 | Border officer who passed on information to convicted prisoners sentencedThe justice system is extremely dysfunctional. There's tons of the same kinds of things happening with men getting away with stuff they shouldn't. Anecdotal instances like this are completely worthless and unhelpful rage bait. We do have stats that show that men are treated much more poorly by the justice system than women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/24 03:39 AM |
| 2 | Something is seriously wrong with Mens Culture nowadaysExcept for other places that murder gay people for existing. But yeah, you're the oppressed one. He did say in the west, and in many social environment, he is in fact the oppressed one. We should be tolerant of everything but intolerance (see my previous comment about bigotry). I agree with this, but there's an important nuance to recognize. Don't tolerate intolerance, but you should tolerate people who are intolerant. Because at the end of the day there's a lot of subtle nuance and everyone c… | /r/MenSupportMen | 16/01/24 11:04 PM |
| 43 | Girls outperform boys from primary school to universityOh, and as usual, the mods over on MensLib are doing damage control. With lots of commenters pointing out how the article is unhelpful and not genuinely interested in helping boys. The moderators step in and delete the thread. Here's their justification: "This article focuses too much on women in stem and not enough on men" is not a productive way to kick off a discussion. Furthermore, if the article isn't spending time talking about how to help boys in school, then it doesn't have content to di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/24 03:42 AM |
| 51 | Girls outperform boys from primary school to universityBoys falling behind vs girls is only a recent phenomenon that seems to align with the rise of misandry among teachers. Boys' "slower mental maturing" didn't stop them from learning quite effectively in the past, so why does their education need to be slowed down today? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/24 09:56 PM |
| 2 | I need adviceA lot of people here mention therapy and they're right. But therapy only helps with your feelings. It doesn't help fix your life (except that helping with your feelings can help with your life). Generally, being "friends" with a girl that you're attracted to but she's not attracted to you back is extremely unhealthy. From what you're saying it seems like you're not just getting into Red Pill but you're also moving into Black Pill territory. Black Pill ideology is extremely harmful. A lot of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/01/24 12:29 AM |
| 17 | Casual misandry on a post in the cats sub - what can we even do to tackle such hatred?Hate speech on reddit is only forbidden if used against "protected groups". Men and white people are not on the list of protected groups. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/24 10:34 AM |
| 21 | Shocking: legal for medical students to perform a pelvic exam on women without consent when anesthetized. What about prostate exams?Lol, I read more of the paper. The "gender neutral" part is to make sure that transmen are also protected.... But they still have a section specifically to cover anal examination, since men do deserve protection as well. Here's the full article: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/hast.1337 Frankly, full webcam recording of surgery, from the moment they're unconscious to the moment they wake up should be provided to patients. The bullshit medical professionals get away with because … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/24 11:47 PM |
| 29 | Shocking: legal for medical students to perform a pelvic exam on women without consent when anesthetized. What about prostate exams?Oh and I found one that's fighting the good fight: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35143067/ Asking for gender neutral legislations. Protect both men and women, not just the women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/24 11:32 PM |
| 29 | I believe Men are severally underrepresented in animated media that challenges sexism.As a society we still don't properly understand the effect of systemic harmful male gender expectations. Even the use of the terminology "toxic masculinity" is a contributor to that. While many claim that it's true definition is nothing of the sort, it certainly implies that there is something inherently toxic to masculinity that must be cleansed. "toxic masculinity" also treats the male gender experience as one where men need to overcome this inherent appeal to evil inside of them. Whereas femi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/12/23 02:15 PM |
| -5 | Discussion: When did the Male Loneliness Epidemic initiate, what are its causes, and what can we do to mitigate it?Here's some possible causes in no particular order: The broad reach of feminism makes men afraid to be honest with each other about their misgivings with society, especially among leftist spaces. General acceptance of homosexuality. Men are more homophobic than women so in a society that accepts homosexuality they will be more wary of making close male bounds for fear of misinterpretation as being homosexual in nature. A society that rejects homosexuality suffers less from this problem. Post sca… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/12/23 10:24 AM |
| 10 | When did it become desperation for men to want positive and healthy guidance into their life journeys[relationships, careers, family matters, etc]? Why is everything nowadays a ''FIY" attitude towards men & our shortcomings?Most Women only care about themselves, and maybe what other Women are going through. Most Men only care about themselves. I disagree. Women tend to be more performative then men in their support for other women. But men's support of other men, while less frequent is more genuine. I think that the problem is that men support women more than they support other men, women don't return the favor. Especially when it comes to supporting people they don't know. That's why there is so much funding for r… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/12/23 07:41 AM |
| 16 | How feminism makes me want to die: a detailed but relatively short explanation with an exampleYeah, I wrote a huge massive post. But this take is also 100% correct and much simpler. Feminism is just like any other religion. It happens to be the predominant religion in Academia today (just like Christianism has been in the past). That's no justification for giving its moral tennets any more credence than any other religion. But to do that, you have to first recognize that what feminists do in academia isn't science. And to properly explain that, you might have to write a huge massive post… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/12/23 05:27 AM |
| 28 | How feminism makes me want to die: a detailed but relatively short explanation with an exampleOverall, you're suffering from malicious deconstruction of your motivations and desires. Basically, natural things that regularly and mostly harmlessly occur almost subconsciously are being placed front and centered and unfairly vilified. I don't know that it's possible to put the Genie back in the bottle. So you have to deconstruct it even further until you get rid of the vilification bias and you come to an understanding of your self that feels coherent. What that looks like for me is to ack… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/12/23 05:22 AM |
| 14 | Double standard with regard to insecurityWhat you're talking about is extremely speculative. But I love to speculate, so allow me to counter with speculation of my own. It's not feminism that's going to be the end of the west. It's complacency. And if the fall of the roman empire is anything to go by, the west has still got centuries left before it falls appart. It's really not clear to me that Islamic theocracy really has what it takes to come anywhere close to the capabilities of a socially conservative, democratic and capitalist soc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/12/23 03:50 AM |
| 39 | Double standard with regard to insecurityIt's called gamma bias. https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/gamma-bias-new-theory | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/12/23 12:35 AM |
| 2 | Important peice of framing for male advocates: misandrist sentiments vs. misandrist peopleYou seem to be getting a bit of a rough reception. But what you're saying is an approach that I have been advocating on here for over a year now, with mixed success at best. The most vocal people on here are probably the angriest and they're the ones that really want to see some form of comeuppance to be visited on the misandrists that have acted with impunity for decades. Your approach would see them able to just slowly shift their talking points over time as prominent views and understanding c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/23 11:16 PM |
| 4 | How do i respond to people who claim that domestic violence against women is more serious bec. It result in more death than the other way around?In what context? Here's a couple of key concepts I use here. First, nuanced whataboutism. Talking about the lack of assistance for male victims of domestic abuse frequently happens in the context of "violence against women", because the blatant double standard at play combine with the lack of effective mainstream platform for raising awareness on men;s issues makes staying silent about it difficult. Using whataboutism to highlight and active and egregious double standard isn't just "ok" to do. I… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/23 05:42 PM |
| 2 | The specific criminalization of FGM but not MGM is proof of Western gynocentrism.If you want to go away from western countries where do you want to go to? The relative misandry is pretty bad in western countries. But all things considered, you're treated better as a man in a western country than as a human in any other country, it seems. The fact that they treat women just as bad or worse than men in those countries doesn't change the fact that they still treat men worse in absolute terms. Especially if you care about things like freedom of speech. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/23 02:32 PM |
| 5 | Let us now praise awkward menThank you so much for this. It's a perspective I hadn't thought about before. In my personal life I do spend some effort to de-normalize geek/nerd shaming (I'm not exactly a frontier man in this respect, but I do contribute). Cultivating appreciation for awkward men might be a similarly worthwhile endeavor. But looking comparison now, I see that there's flaw in that. Geeks/nerds are skilled in some way, either through knowledge and enthusiasm of certain topics, or actual skill in certain activit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/23 02:33 PM |
| 15 | Feeling like a beta and ashamed!I don't understand? What do you think you should have done? Escalate the situation? That's putting yourself and your wife in danger for no reason. What's more, there are many guys like that who are just looking for a fight. They're sometimes regularly in and out of jail and in trouble with the law. They're just trying to piss you off so you'll go down to their level. The dumbest thing you can do in that situation is to start a fight. When confronted with weirdos and dangerous people, always de-e… | /r/MenSupportMen | 23/11/23 11:15 PM |
| 1 | Is there a more holistic reason male irresponsibility & laziness is highly frowned upon or is it all a remnant of the Prusian morals of the Cold War/WW2 era?There is a huge wealth of sources for you to discover. Where? Also, to the point where you can ascertain that hunter gatherers societies were egalitarian? I'll believe in the invisible pink unicorn before I believe that. But if you have the mountains of evidence needed to show it, I'd like to see it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/11/23 09:03 AM |
| 7 | Is there a more holistic reason male irresponsibility & laziness is highly frowned upon or is it all a remnant of the Prusian morals of the Cold War/WW2 era?Hunter-gatherers were not only more egalitarian, but the men in the tribes were definitely helped to be looked after when they were at their most vulnerable and prone to threats or danger My understanding is that we're completely incapable of having anything close to a sensible understanding of how society was structured during Hunter-gatherer times. Do you have any sources that show differently? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/11/23 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Is there a way to make men and women equally attracted to each other?but if human females were naturally inclined to be polygamous and females chose the top 10% and left the rest to die More like the top 50% of women go to the top 10% of men. The other 50% of women go to the next 40% of men. And the remaining 50% of men die in war or get enslaved and die in forced labor. The thing is that this is just incredibly inefficient and doesn't scale well. However, out of tens of thousands tribes. A few decided to implement monogamy. And some of these few turned into the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/23 02:02 AM |
| 10 | Is there a way to make men and women equally attracted to each other?I understand that this is a men's forum and the media loves to talk up how "incels" are horrible and that's horrendous on the part of the media. I just want to point out that it's not a just a male loneliness problem. There are tons of lonely women as well. And while it's possible that polygamy makes it so that there are fewer lonely women than lonely men there's still many of both. Some work towards bridging the gap could help. Something that will help both sides to learn how to be more attract… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/23 07:47 PM |
| 18 | Is there a way to make men and women equally attracted to each other?Proper sexual studies until recent decades has been so taboo that there's not good information available and in recent decades social studies are so ideologically driven that I don't trust anything that comes out of it. Basically, like many others, I question the very premise of your question. Do men really want sex less than women? There's the hypergamy angle where women all want to have sex with the same top 10% of men. Which means that there's overabundance of sex for the top 10% of men and i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/23 07:33 PM |
| 13 | The first place I have seen on the internet,talk about how boys are treated shitty in schools, is that recent thread.What country is this? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/10/23 10:00 PM |
| 32 | A genuine sincere question, why is it when it comes to incel-shaming, are autistic men one of running jokes behind the trope? Like I can understand a cliche like the stereotypical fat nerd, but why did autistic guys have to be thrown into the mix?I think it's more that autistic men cannot be passively manipulated the way most men can. Or put differently, autistic men tend not to engage in benevolent sexism. Or when they do it's very limited to the select items that they've been taught. So all the more casual benefits like protecting a woman's reputation, catering to the their minor needs etc... They don't do. They also expect men to respond and assist with whatever emotional situation they're currently experiencing. Autistic men won't no… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/23 03:23 PM |
| 8 | I think most men should stop talking about male issues on feminist subs.Courage was probably the wrong word. It's more like I'm too lazy to do it. Getting doxxed by other users is unlikely. But with the way the internet works these days, unless you're super paranoid (even if you use VPNs) reddit will know who you are. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/23 10:32 AM |
| 21 | The right-wing is harmful to men’s rights.But obviously a feminist saying “kill all men” would never violate YouTube TOS for some reason 🤷🏽♂️ Marketing departments are full of women and feminists. Women have the bulk of the purchasing power, so these marketing departments also cater primarily to women. Youtube decides who to platform or deplatform based on how it will affect its advertising revenue. That's the reason. If you're not paying for it, you're the product, not the customer. Even if you're paying for it, you might still not … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/23 10:09 AM |
| 44 | I think most men should stop talking about male issues on feminist subs.Seing you had a link to askfeminists. I was mentally preparing myself for the usual gaslighting. I was actually pleasantly surprised by the blatant misandry. My take: stop making it my problem! Zero people ask me if I’m lonely!!! Get a life, a hobby, a degree, a vacation location, whatever you need! It's like, oh, men are suffering. Hah! Not my problem bitch. Not just because they won't get it. It's because nobody wants to be a burden to someone else. I don't think that is a good look for male… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/23 08:20 AM |
| 18 | I (27, MtF) am doing a video about MRAs and males advocate and I needYou want men on your side? Start by actually caring about them because you value them as human beings and not just as a tool to advance your own political agenda. Like many others have explained, mainstream political left is extremely anti-male which forces many men who would otherwise be centrist towards the rights, and also guides young men (teens and boys) to adopt right-wing ideology because they can sense that today's left wing ideology literally hates them and holds not future for them. Yo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/09/23 10:00 AM |
| 3 | R/menslib feels like so weirdYep, and instead of acknowledging the parts of his criticism that were legitimate, the mainstream left vilified him. So now he's parroting right wing talking point because they're the only ones listening to him. It's unclear to me how much of it is a grift and how much of it is the result of selective exposure. If the people supporting you keep telling you one side of the story and the people trying to destroy you keep telling you another. Who are you going to listen to and therefore believe? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/09/23 09:13 AM |
| 5 | R/menslib feels like so weirdIf you've paid attention to the latest stuff coming out of fossil fuel think thanks, it's much more sophisticated than that. If you go to an Exxon climate change conference they'll likely be talking about fossil fuels until your ears fall off. They've got tons of stuff to say about how some fossil fuels are cleaner than others. They've got tons of stuff to say about the economic impact of fossil fuels and that cutting fossil fuels is literally going to kill poor children. That, by the way, is th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/23 09:24 PM |
| 22 | R/menslib feels like so weirdI think this is correct, but not directly. There's money in between. I think it happens like this. Left Wing voters/politicians want to spend more on social welfare. Most of it is gender neutral. Some of it helps mostly men. Some of it helps mostly women. Right Wing voters/politicians are united in opposition to the gender neutral and men favored social welfare so it it tends to fail. But they are divided in their opposition to social welfare that helps mostly women due to that conservative "chi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/23 08:29 PM |
| 43 | R/menslib feels like so weirdIt's not just that they allow feminist theory. They ban any and all criticism of feminism. Which is an absurd thing to do even for a feminist as there are many feminist factions and they therefore criticise themselves constantly. What they won't allow is criticism of feminism from the perspective of men's interests. Which is why on a feminist men's issues forum all criticism of feminism is forbidden. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/23 08:13 PM |
| 2 | On the link between egalitarian ideology, feminist ideology and misandrist activism.Yep, I agree with this. All of these things are built on a house of card of ideology. Making it extremely difficult to assess how "real" anything is. But it seems to me that they are becoming increasingly important. So that's why I still make posts like these. I'm not an expert, but frankly I don't believe that expert opinions are all that much more valuable than mine. I believe that when it comes to ideology (which is what most of sociology is) the effect of bias is far more pronounced than the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/23 04:29 PM |
| 1 | On the link between egalitarian ideology, feminist ideology and misandrist activism.I could go on a huge rant about this. But I'll try to keep it short. We're increasingly living in a clown world. Better learn how to use those flowers that squirt water. Because even in clown world, nature is god, and it's adapt or die. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/23 02:22 PM |
| 1 | On the link between egalitarian ideology, feminist ideology and misandrist activism.This is a fair comment. I think this is what I've read to support my belief that Critical Theory is descendent from Marxims (pretty sure I never said that it was part of marxism): https://totallyhistory.com/karl-marx-and-critical-theory/ I did read a little bit of Marxism and I did think I found that some of these ideas were present in what was being said. Just applied to a different context. But that was ages ago and I don't remember what was actually said. But what or isn't Marxism isn't reall… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/23 12:55 AM |
| 2 | Why does academia have an inherent bias against Masculinity?Yep, 100% this. A few decades ago, being left wing meant fighting for civil rights. This was primarily aimed at helping the poor and the disenfranchised. Which at the time meant, poor people, ethnic minorities (primarily blacks) and women. But then the narrative was taken over by feminism. Poor people were taken out of the equation, issues affecting lgbtq were added to the portfolio (as they were always going to be addressed). Men's issues should have also been added tot he portfolio but they we… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/23 10:18 AM |
| 2 | Why does academia have an inherent bias against Masculinity?All of the ones we see on this forum talks about intersectionality analysis where men are oppressed in certain ways. We constantly talk about how being male comes with many advantages. We constantly talk about how society mistreats men. We might not call it intersectionality most of the time. But that's still what we're doing. The problem with intersectionality in my opinion is twofold: It creates competing interest groups. e.g. those advocating for women will try to silence interest groups advo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/23 10:10 AM |
| 2 | Why does academia have an inherent bias against Masculinity?Yep, I 100% agree. Trying to fix society through an intersectional approach is doomed to leave people out. Also it incentivizes the formation of competing interest groups advocating on behalf of specific intersectional identities. We're definitely seeing this happening with things like white women vs black women. That said, looking at intersectional identity groups can highlight areas where more help is needed. But policy should always treat the issue, not the identity, otherwise individuals who… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/23 09:59 AM |
| 22 | Why does academia have an inherent bias against Masculinity?Intersectionality is not inherently anti-male. It all depends on how it is applied. In particular the intersection of male and poor is clearly far more detrimental than the intersection of female and poor. Same with male and black vs female and black. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/23 08:33 PM |
| 1 | "Kissing the Ring", are you tired of apologising?That's fine. I'm not disputing that there's a double standard. I'm disputing about which direction should be taken to fix the double standard. It is wrong of feminists to be talking about domestic violence against women without systematically acknowledging the domestic violence against men and the corresponding lack of services. But two wrongs don't make a right. When talking about domestic violence against men it's still important to acknowledge the domestic violence against women. I can see th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/08/23 07:51 PM |
| 1 | "Kissing the Ring", are you tired of apologising?Throwing out misogynists (which I'm all for) and acknowledging importance of women's advocacy (as mentioned above) are two distinct, non-connected actions. It's more than possible to do the former without constantly doing the latter. Actually that makes a lot of sense to me. Right now this is sufficient because of how prevalent women's advocacy is through feminism in the mainstream media. But as the mainstream media loses relevance and people start falling into echo chambers, I think egalitarian… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/08/23 11:26 AM |
| -3 | "Kissing the Ring", are you tired of apologising?What are you replying to? By and large, I mostly agree with everything you say. Or at least I strongly suspect that is true, some things are pretty difficult to know for certain, especially when it comes to history and sociology. And then when you try to combine the two and start talking about causes it's on a whole other level of impossible to know for sure. But I understand sometimes you just got to go with what seems most sensible to you. But all of that has got absolutely nothing to do with … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/23 08:04 PM |
| 10 | "Kissing the Ring", are you tired of apologising?I think there's a difference between acknowledging vs apologizing/supplicating. It's very important to acknowledge that others are suffering from similar issues, or to acknowledge that others are suffering from symmetrical issues and you're not here to minimize the importance of addressing their issues. But what I've seen a few time is people starting their men's advocacy article by justifying it by saying that helping men helps women and that's why we should be helping men. The vibes this gives… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/23 06:50 PM |
| 5 | "Kissing the Ring", are you tired of apologising?I'm probably a minority opinion here, but I disagree with this. In today's age of echochambers and radicalization it's important to always give a nod to other groups with similar or symmetrical issues. Otherwise you're creating a safe space for bigots. If you're always talking about men's issues and how to improve men's status in society without ever acknowledging that efforts also need to be made on behalf of women as well then what you've ended up doing in practice is that you've created a saf… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/23 06:41 PM |
| 10 | Has the threshold for masculinity gotten harder and majorly worse for the average man to meet? Full fledged discussion inspired in the OPLol, every post seems to remind me that I'm getting old. Being interesting has always been a huge asset. Especially for women, which for a while led to the insult of being "basic". But I expect that this is only in the context of attracting the attention of top 15% men, whereas being "basic" is more than enough for the remaining 85%. But what you say seems to make sense to me. I'll also add that not only do we have fewer day-to-day environmental threats. But with automation, and now AI, we racin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/23 08:22 AM |
| 15 | Objectification and SexualizationIs it really wrong and harmful to feel attracted to sexualized images of women? No, that's what they are designed to do. Is it wrong and harmful to feel attracted to women on the street whom I don't know personally? That's just human nature and is completely normal. Most women you'll feel attracted to in this way are intentionally trying to have this effect. Many will pretend that it's not at all their intent: they are lying. I think some are just fooling themselves, desperate for attention, t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/08/23 05:15 PM |
| 13 | Objectification and SexualizationThese articles mostly speak on the way society sexualizes women in the media No they don't in huge font near the top of the article: Why are women and girls so often the victims of violence? The topic is women being victims of violence. The cause, it claims, is sexual objectification. OP likes it when women present themselves as sexually appealing. He probably likes it when it happens on the TV as well. I do. As long as you don't think of women as in service to you only for sex, then you aren'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/08/23 04:35 PM |
| 6 | The fallacy of binary privilegeI don't know much about antisemite conspiracies. So the comparison doesn't help me much. They claim that men suffering under toxic masculinity is their own fault because men are the ones that "rule" society and therefore are the ones that enforce those norms. I don't think this is the claim at all. The way "Toxic Masculinity" is structured in misandrist ideology, you could have all female rulers and the problem would still be men's toxic masculinity. It's a simple premise: men are socialized t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/08/23 09:21 PM |
| 35 | The fallacy of binary privilegeI'd argue that the whole presentation of things as privileged vs oppressed is inherently problematic. It leads to othering of the "privileged" class which can lead to very nefarious outcomes. In the US there isn't very much affirmative action, but in places like in the UK being poor and white can at times be much more detrimental than being poor and black. Even the most clear form of privilege: rich privilege can still be overcompensated. I'm sure that there were many french people who got their… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/08/23 05:15 PM |
| 3 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.My bad, I misspoke. I assumed that since the term "systemic racism" already exist to mean some kind of nebulous racism that doesn't exist explicitly anywhere, then by contrast "institutional racism" would mean that an institution is explicitly implementing racist rules. But according to this: https://www.britannica.com/topic/institutional-racism Institutional racism is somehow just a synonym of systemic racism. This is some 1984 levels of nonsense. What am I supposed to use to refer to racism th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 03:37 PM |
| 21 | Am I the only one that gets triggered by "toxic masculinity"?It's gaslighting through terminology. You've diagnosed the problem correctly: toxic gender expectation or harmful male gender expectations. There is an expectation for men to be able to defend themselves on their own in any situation. It's something that society (both men and women) as a whole through a wide variety of structures is placing on men. It is NOT something that you have inside you. Am I the only one who feels like this or is it pretty common among men these days? I don't know how I… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 12:34 PM |
| 9 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.You're right, this is a problem. Today's identity politics ignore the economic situation. That makes it so that poor white men aren't given the same amount of opportunity, assistance and lip service that poor black men receive. To me, that's clearly institutional racism* explicit direct not-systemic-only racism implemented at an instutional level. And I think that it's a problem that we shouldn't minimize. My understanding is that this situation is particularly severe in the UK. But it's a touch… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 09:50 AM |
| 25 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.Why the insistance on characterizing the issue as a patriarchy? The problem of expecting self sufficiency from men and therefore not affording them any assistance isn't necessarily caused by "the patriarchy". It's far more complex than that. The idea that it only exists as a remmenant of how things used to be seems naive to me. A lot of it seems to be the result of biological inclinations (men strive to succeed and impress women, women strive to find men who succeed). And that's still ongoing. C… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 09:12 AM |
| – | Unraveling the Moral Dilemma: My Experience with an AI Chatbot for Mental Health - Let's Discuss!Addiction is only one of very many potential ways that this kind of tool can be abused. That I can think of: It can be used to steer your ideological beliefs in one direction or another. It can be used to to make you misunderstand reality minimizing certain facts and overemphasizing others. It can be used to mine your personality and worldview such that this information can be used by another tool to manipulate you or people with a similar personality/word view. | /r/MenSupportMen | 29/07/23 07:06 AM |
| 2 | Unraveling the Moral Dilemma: My Experience with an AI Chatbot for Mental Health - Let's Discuss!I'm not so much concerned about whether it's morally ok. I'm concerned that it's dangerous. The vast majority of human beings have built-in checks and balances that prevents them from abusing the position of influence that they have. And AI chat bot whose design is placed into the hands of a profit seeking organization can find increasingly subtle and nefarious way to corrupt those it is supposed to help. Conversely a responsibly designed AI chat bot should be able to offer these services in an … | /r/MenSupportMen | 28/07/23 07:45 AM |
| 1 | This is a battle we can win!I skimmed through Levant's stuff. I think I have much to disagree with. He's using Traditional Masculinity as pretty much just Toxic Masculinity by another name. Therefore: fantastic, that's the bare minimum I ask for before I can begin a conversation. One of these day's I'll do a deep dive into this stuff. But from this skimming a couple of ideas come to mind: It seems to presume that traditional masculinity is maladaptive. I suspect that for many these masculine traits are actually adaptive. T… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 12:41 PM |
| 1 | This is a battle we can win!> This realies on feminists empathy towards men. It depends on the context and on the feminist in question. Empathy is the central tenet of feminism in the eyes of many mainstream feminists. And this I have personal experience with. I haven't used it in the way I suggest IRL, but I expect that it would work among my group of friends. But for the more educated or entrenched feminists whose careers depend on it, empathy isn't going to work. But that's where it also depends on context. In most busi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 11:24 AM |
| 3 | This is a battle we can win!There is actually some male psychology stuff that basically says the trauma boys experiences causes them, as men, to become fearful of lacking indepedence. Lol, I'm the poster child for that one. I'm very slowly growing out of it. But yeah, it ends up being self defeating because those who need to be speaking up about their experiences are instead shoving it down to focus on acquiring independence. The last thing on their minds is to ask society to adapt itself to their needs. Which is why it's … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/23 04:39 PM |
| 6 | This is a battle we can win!I actually put it into practice over on kbin.social/m/men: https://kbin.social/m/men/t/243612/Stop-saying-Toxic-Masculinity-Patriarchy-and-yes-even-Feminism The first reply I got was a sudden reminder of how difficult progress in this space can be: Buzz off. None of that shit hurts my feelings. Sigh... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/23 01:56 PM |
| 10 | Patriarchy or competition-based society?TL;DR: In this wall of text I present a hyper intellectual discourse advocating that we should be arguing against the use of the terms "Patriarchy, Toxic Masculinity and Feminism" not by using intellectual arguments but by saying that it hurts our feelings. This is so true and so very important to understand. It's also very important to understand that academic feminists agree with you on this point. But they will insist on continuing to use the same misleading terminology that enables equivoc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/23 09:09 AM |
| 6 | Where and when did feminism go astray?I'm no feminist historian, but I want to point out that there's a big difference between feminism about the emancipation of women without regard for the emancipation of men and feminism being about subjugation of men. It seems to me that back in the 1700s and 1800s women and men were both oppressed very differently. Feminism worked on emancipating women, and men, in their own way worked on emancipating men. So I would disagree that feminism has always been about the subjugation of men. Asking fo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/23 08:38 AM |
| 5 | Should we be suspicious of Robert Bly and the Men’s Mythopoetic Movement?I just read the wikipedia on Robert Bly and his philosophy, I don't see anything that resembles asking men to embrace “rugged masculinity”. I don't mind people and movements trying to express their understanding of masculinity as long as it is one that enable male agency and seems at least coherent with reality. From the wikipedia article, it seems like Robert Bly's masculinity is one that is founded on great emotional maturity and proactive connection to the community. I think that's perfectly … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/23 11:50 AM |
| 2 | A journalist needs our helpLike others have said the article is not paywalled from the desktop. I didn't try, but on your phone there should be an option to see the desktop version of the site so you may be able to read the article. This is how the article starts: Peter is a gay, British writer who supports the Labour Party and grew up in a stable, middle-class household — and he’s an active member of the men’s rights movement. And then spends the first third of the article uncritically presenting Peter's views and goals.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/23 11:49 AM |
| 8 | Good friend just died, alcoholism took its toll-but his two main ex girlfriends, both staunch feminists, DELIBERATELY encouraged him to drink "because he's boring otherwise" (their own words, despite knowing he was risking his life by drinking)...It is related. Toxic women invariably leverage feminism to empower their toxic behavior because feminism as a whole completely lacks checks and balances when it comes to misandry. While there are good people who are feminists, they usually don't last long because the toxic individuals have the run of the place. There are also a ton of feminist enablers who might not be directly misandrist themselves. What motivates or blinds them is beyond my comprehension. My best guess is that they're just ste… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/23 08:35 PM |
| 5 | Instead of closing the sub...Nope, I see reddit becoming increasingly irrelevant. I don't think it's going to be a one fell swoop like what happened with Digg. Comparatively Digg made a major sudden fuck up, and Reddit was already mature. In contrast Reddit is a making a regular stream of minor fuckups and the fediverse isn't really mature yet. I didn't know about kbin until this week, and now I just don't want to come back to reddit anymore. What I loved about reddit was the feeling of freedom I found there. And more and m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/23 03:45 AM |
| 13 | Update regarding "Are We Dating the Same Guy" Groups: You are FOR SURE being defamedIf you've got money, please start suing the people on these forums. Note that I strongly doubt that DMCA has any use in your circumstance. Sadly, we don't own the copyrights to our own selves. You might have enough to serve Facebook with subpoenas where they have to fork over the identities of the people who defamed you to your lawyers. Then you can start suing those people. Or something more affordable, you could get a lawyer to send a cease and desist to Facebook. But even just that is probabl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/05/23 08:40 PM |
| 7 | How to argue against the "(cishet) men are inherently more dangerous" rhetoric?They are statistically more dangerous, not inherently. To judge individuals based on the activities of a rare few outliers of some groups they've been associated to and not by choice is inhumane. Some other guy being more dangerous says absolutely nothing about you or who you are. There is nothing inherently dangerous about being a man. You can better understand the inhumaneness of it when you see what's being used to try and advocate for the misandrist point of view: what if there's one poisono… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/23 09:30 AM |
| 3 | "If you want a movement for men so bad, just start one yourself. There's nothing stopping you."I did a bit more sleuthing, it's not as bad as it seems. It's actually called "World Toilet Day" not "International Toilet Day". The organization (called "World Toilet Organization") had its first summit on Nov. 19-21, 2001. And that's why several years later they decided to have Nov. 19th be World Toilet Day. No matter which day they chose for World Toilet Day, it would probably have pissed someone off. UN recognized days do contain duplicates, including on Nov 19th which is also for road accid… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/23 07:29 PM |
| 43 | "If you want a movement for men so bad, just start one yourself. There's nothing stopping you."I just searched it, female entrepreneurship day seems to be on the 17 of November and international men's day is on the 19th of November. International men's day isn't recognized by the UN. Instead, long after the 19th of November was widely recognized as being International Men's day, the UN designated "International Toilet Day" to be on the 19th of November. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/23 02:46 AM |
| 2 | Is anyone here a victim of false accusations? Or knows someone who is?You're describing a society where male victims are silenced. And you call it misogynistic... Then you wonder why people accuse you of being delusional... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/23 11:09 PM |
| 9 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityExactly correct and to add to this, I've finally found a concise way to express how even their mote is broken. When these misandrists talk about "internalized misogyny" which is meant to represent the effects of internalizing unhealthy gender expectations, they focus primarily on how it hurts women and enables men to take advantage of them. While simultaneously promoting women's empowerment. When they talk about "toxic masculinity" which is meant to represent the effects of internalizing unhealt… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/23 05:47 PM |
| 19 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityIt's not about THIS conversation it's about mainstream awareness and the influence it has on the overtone window and people's attitudes towards men. The choice of words used in mainstream publications has a material impact on all of that. And the use of the expression "Toxic Masculinity" does steer people towards the belief that masculinity is toxic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/23 11:32 PM |
| 28 | Masculinity is inherently pro-social, not toxic: Moving past hegemonic masculinity and into responsive masculinityToxic waste, describes waste. Not all waste is toxic. Toxic chemicals. Not all chemicals are toxic. The more you talk about toxic waste, the more people will think all waste is toxic. The more you talk about toxic chemicals, the more people will think all chemicals are toxic. Guess what happens when you start talking about toxic masculinity all the time. There's what the words say and there's the message being communicated. Obviously the message that is communicated is more important and relevan… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/23 10:57 PM |
| 9 | A calm rant about the straight white dude experience in left politicsVery frequently, people who come from a background where they were oppressed don't actually seek to eliminate oppression. They seek to become the oppressor. The prominence of radical misandrist feminists in mainstream media makes it seems that these beliefs are normal and natural and easy to hold. I don't believe this to be the case. The vast majority of people understand at some level that these misandrist beliefs are immoral and harmful, they just don't know how to express it coherently and th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/04/23 06:05 PM |
| 8 | I feel like people are becoming more traditionalThere's a lot to unpack here. First the misandrist rhetoric is just not a good starting point for understanding and navigating gender relations. It is extremely superficial, girls who wholly buy into it are either completely miserable themselves due to being unable to find a guy that will accommodate the insanity are with a guy who is completely miserable due to his efforts to accommodate the insanity. Learn to distinguish these women from the sensible ones and already your risks of having an in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/23 07:03 PM |
| 14 | I feel like people are becoming more traditionalBuild your own worldview. One that is fair for both you and the women you interact with. Keep in mind the old song "Girls just want to have fun". Or in other words, the golden rule is a lie. Don't treat others how you would want to be treated, others probably don't want to be treated the same way you want to be treated. When you meet a girl you like, you'll want her to make you happy and she'll want you to make her happy. And hopefully vs versa as well. The upside of the expectation that the man… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/04/23 02:53 AM |
| 5 | Support for menMy wife lately has started multiple fights by making very accusatory statements towards me. I defend myself and she says, "I'm not accusing you, I'm just trying to discuss the issue." That sounds scary as hell to me. I don't know what advice to give. I try to make sure things can't even get to this point with my partner. I don't know how I would handle things if it got that far. You've been quite vague about the specific issues she raises. But here's a few of techniques: The moral high ground is… | /r/MenSupportMen | 13/04/23 02:29 AM |
| 17 | "Toxic Masculinity" vs "Internalised Misogyny"Exactly. Toxic is so vague and yet people fall for it so easily. It calls for the complete eradication of the thing declared toxic. But exactly what that thing is can change from day to day depending on the interests of those controlling the conversation. There's someone on here (don't remember who) that like to remind people of the following humpty dumpty quote, which is applicable here: “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean —… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/23 10:03 PM |
| 62 | "Toxic Masculinity" vs "Internalised Misogyny"It's not just the term though it's everything around it too. It's mote and balleys all the way down with these people. When they look into internalized misogyny they don't spend much attention on how this internalized misogyny is negatively affecting people around them and society in general. But when they look at "toxic masculinity" that's the vast majority of their complaints. Until you point it out, and that's when they'll patronizingly explain to you that you just don't understand what toxic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/23 03:04 PM |
| 4 | How do our perceptions of masculinity/femininity affect culture from a Jungian perspective?I don't know much about Jung's ideas on this subject. But I do disagree with what I understand of what you've said. Feel free to clarify or correct me if my assumptions are too far off base. First, human beings aren't rational and aren't that smart. Which means that there isn't necessarily that much to the "ego" as you've defined it. We know and understand a few things about ourselves and that's about it. Most tend to try to understand themselves as a cohesive rational entity when in truth they … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/23 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Just got put in the friend zoneIf you are somewhere volunteering for the reason of socializing (or socializing and looking for an ltr), it is completely normal and acceptable. Anyone treating it as "predatory behavior" is in the wrong, you should be able to call them out on it and have most people around you back you up. If your social skill and/or wit isn't enough to do the "call them out" in the moment you can try and do it later more privately with more trusted individuals. If that doesn't work, then you need to work on yo… | /r/MenSupportMen | 02/04/23 01:53 PM |
| 2 | Just got put in the friend zoneI don't think that's a healthy attitude/perspective to have. People need romantic companionship, there's nothing wrong or predatory about taking steps to find someone. You just need to be respectful of the fact that most people aren't going to be there for the same reason. | /r/MenSupportMen | 31/03/23 08:22 AM |
| 7 | Just got put in the friend zoneMake friends that you're not romantically interested in. So basically, makes some guy friends. It really helps to stabilize your mood and make you feel confident, which in turn helps you be more attractive to women. I also have some "do as I say, not as I do" kinda advice, but at 36, you got to switch things up to high gear. It's like what the redpillers say about women reaching 30-35, it's the same with men reaching 40-45, you start running out of time to start a family real quick. It can take … | /r/MenSupportMen | 30/03/23 07:23 PM |
| 2 | How to unlearn the “sit down and shut up” conditioning of public school?I haven't thought about this much. But here's some ideas. It's important to recognize that we don't live in caves anymore, and we don't fist fight the current chief so we can be the new chief. So there are two aspects to this. One is being able to play out our desires. Which may mean doing things like playing sports. And the other is to be able to exert power and influence and have our will considered. Which is more more complicated. But it does include knowing when to speak up and how to speak … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/23 09:45 AM |
| 11 | I call it: "Dating Advice"When it comes to assholes it's worse than that. They also quickly gain a lot of experience so they learn when they're being too much of an asshole and they become very successful. Then 15 years later, they're the most vocal about telling guys who aren't assholes that their problem is that they should be more respectful towards women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/23 11:28 AM |
| 19 | The "Gender Wage Gap" is why I was (formerly) a feministEquity for me but not for thee. Women have much greater purchasing power than men because they get to spend men's money, whether it's from the father, the boyfriend, husband or tax payer. It's a bit strange you haven't been exposed to the equity argument as a counter argument. The equity argument says that it doesn't matter why women earn less, it is unjust that they do earn less. If society is structured in such a way that favor's men's income, then it is unfair to women. For example, men are m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/23 01:15 PM |
| 8 | I don't know if my mate's realIt's about setting boundaries and making sure yours are respected. It's great in theory, incredibly complicated in practice. If you can't figure out how to get him to respect your boundaries then you shouldn't be friends with him. His behavior seem potentially intentional. So I would also be extremely wary of yoyo behavior where as soon as you start pulling away from him he starts being more respectful. But then when you start trusting him again he goes right back to being disrespectful. Suppose… | /r/MenSupportMen | 20/03/23 04:38 PM |
| 1 | Sympathy for the devilI think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. You are a mod here if you say that I shouldn't do this anymore here as a matter of moderation policy then I won't do it anymore. I don't see why. In fact, could this be internalized racism? Ok, so here's why. And I realize these are not super convincing arguments, but I figure I should at least explain the reasons. And they're pretty much all the same reason but reworded differently: It makes the racists/sexists unable to consume y… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/23 08:21 PM |
| 1 | Sympathy for the devilNot allowing whataboutism is how the UK got itself in the mess it's in of ignoring white men. Anytime someone starts talking about helping vulnerable minorities in the UK you should speak up and say "ok, I'm all for that, but what about the white men!". And what did they say when people brought it up? I bet they were saying: you're derailing the conversation, you just don't want women to have any rights! I'm saying there needs to be more whataboutism. And I think that counts double for when it's… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/23 05:34 AM |
| 2 | Sympathy for the devilAnd you need to be careful too. Ok, you're right. I thought I had been careful and that I had written a paragraph with clear support for the idea. But I can't find it, it must have gotten lost. I'll be more careful. The second paragraph kinda tries to do that, but it's just not clear enough. So I'll do it now, before I derail again. The way white men presented and understood as a class in western society, especially when it comes to "white male privilege" and modern intersectional and equity rhe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/23 12:01 AM |
| 8 | Sympathy for the devilI don't see anyone asking why he's not focused on black men. I did suggest that he should ALSO do one that focuses on black men. Feminists call it "whataboutism". And despite their claims it is a completely legitimate thing to do. If an advocate is working to help group A because they suffer from X. But there is also group B of comparable size that suffers from X or something very similar to a comparable extent, and group B is being ignored. Then someone should definitely be asking the advocate … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/23 10:58 PM |
| 8 | I’m feeling pretty helplessMy whole adult life I've only had one way to make friends: meetup.com The best groups are usually the "New in town" groups. Because this is where you find lots of people looking to make new friends groups. Expat / language groups are pretty decent too. You'll naturally be asked where you're from. Just tell them you're local and like to meet people from other places. Or you're just looking for new friends. It's good you're getting professional mental help. But they're not all the same there's a v… | /r/MenSupportMen | 09/03/23 09:04 PM |
| 7 | Sympathy for the devilYou need to be careful because this is exactly the kind of rhetoric that racists use to gain new supporters. I've regularly seen claims that the affirmative action policies in the UK for the vulnerable leaves vulnerable white men with practically zero support. I tried to look up similar statistics in the US. And in terms of suicides it does seem to be similar to the UK. White men taking the number 2 spot after aboriginals. I came across this CDC page: https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/stress/suic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/23 08:07 PM |
| 40 | Sympathy for the devilIt's combination of two things: A lot of people have been brainwashed to believe that men are a privileged class and that whites are a privileged class. The white man being the most privileged kind of person out there. From their perspective, complaining about white men's suffering is like asking that people pay attention to your papercut when everyone else is getting eviscerated. Raising awareness of the fact that white men's issues are being ignored by left wing politics, is the gateway rhetor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/23 07:19 PM |
| 3 | What am I supposed to do about wanting sex?I've never seen anyone agree with me on this one, but I keep saying it. Take that to mean whatever you want: your attractiveness naturally gets really high as you get into your early 30s. So at the very least make sure that you're ready to start taking things seriously and adapte your expectations at that point even if all past experience tells you otherwise. That has been my biggest mistake. In terms of what you can do now, speed dating actually sound like a good idea. I've never done it myself… | /r/MenSupportMen | 07/03/23 04:21 AM |
| 3 | self improvement fucked me overI feel like I'm from an older generation and the original red pill concepts really helped me. I did have to do a little filtering. Especially from the community that seemed intent to read into it some kind of support for misogynistic behavior. But the red pill of today seems almost unrecognizable. I honestly wish I never discovered this side of self improvement. We've had another poster echoing similar sentiments about the black pill a couple of weeks ago here. I really don't know what's going o… | /r/MenSupportMen | 07/03/23 03:36 AM |
| 6 | The Great Misunderstanding of IntersectionalityI have multiple thoughts on intersectionality. Most of them have already been mentioned by other commenters. So I'll mention the rest and these are a little more "conspiratorial" so take it with a grain of salt. Structuring understanding of systemic harm through the perspective of intersectionality within the sphere of politics will naturally lead to the creation of interest groups dedicated to advocating for their particular intersectional group. In order words, this oppression hierarchy you me… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/03/23 04:09 PM |
| 12 | Biased definitions, lying by omission and what it means for something to be true.That was very interesting. It sure helps me to understand things better. I've been aware of sliding definitions where some words and expressions are defined one way in the academic field, they gain legitimacy there, and then are used and understood differently in popular and political speech. But your examples are new and interesting especially the one about objectification. I never explicitly realized the subtlety of the different interpretations of the word object, one is an inanimate (or at l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/03/23 06:55 AM |
| 14 | I can't be the only one?It's called horseshoe theory. I'm also beginning to argue that true egalitarian outcome is unachievable. Because you can't have things being equal for everyone from all perspectives. Which means that those who believe they achieving true equality are only looking at a subset of perspectives to achieve this equality. So inevitably there will be many who experience life from a different perspective and from that different perspective many of them will be advantaged and many of them will be disadva… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/23 04:53 PM |
| 3 | I Am A Woman Trying to UnderstandFor the most part, yes that's the problem with it today. But in principle, ideologies can change. And I anticipate that many feminists in the near future will ask that we just fix feminism from the inside. Feminism is ultimately just a word, you could completely revamp the ideology behind it. Christina Hoff Sommers is someone who seems to claim to be doing just that. What I'm trying to say is that in addition to that. It is also irredeemable. That statement I made was in anticipation of feminist… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/02/23 12:59 AM |
| 8 | I Am A Woman Trying to UnderstandI'd say it's logically inconsistent to align oneself with a movement that demonizes men, and simultaneously trying to advocate for them. I agree. The point is that, these two claims aren't mutually exclusive because human beings can be irrational. I have a lot more to say on the subject. But I think I've already said most of it multiple times in other posts. The tldr is: I understand wanting to condemn feminism as a whole and I believe that doing so can be effective. I don't like that it promote… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/23 02:36 PM |
| 18 | I Am A Woman Trying to UnderstandThere a million and 1 resources for feminism, but little to no about men's rights that don't veer off into murky waters. I think it comes down to politics and money. If what you're saying aligns with either the political right or the political left then you will receive support, a platform to promote your views and money. The sensible men's rights views have no political support and no money. It may also be because men tend to prefer to solve things on their own rather than ask society to help. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/23 10:57 AM |
| 1 | "men aren't men anymore"One thing that women do well is the connection they have with eachother. Men can do this very well too. If you feel that it's not the case for you, then you need to start taking steps to make it happen. Having a supporting connection with other people is a two way street and if you're not proactive about it people interested aren't going to reciprocate. Don't get me wrong, feminist rhetoric has had a massive influence on men's inability to support eachother and on helping women support eachother… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/02/23 08:42 PM |
| 4 | The black pill destroyed my confidence and I want to tips to get outHe's already said he has a body count of 4 at 21. He's probably doing better than 80% of men his age. People who prioritize "getting pussy", seems to me, are actually a lot more likely to "get pussy" then people who don't. And your whole comment has clear tones of virgin shaming to it. Which is the second time in two days I see such a comment in MRA-adjacent subreddits. What is going on? | /r/MenSupportMen | 20/02/23 11:36 AM |
| 4 | The black pill destroyed my confidence and I want to tips to get outIt looks like too few people actually understand black pill ideology well enough to help you. I was hoping someone would, but the comments so far don't seem helpful. I'll give it a shot. And it's a bit of a complicated idea, because I just tend to do everything complicated. Black Pill ideology seems to hyper focus on some very simple truths. These are truths that society at large tends to ignore and willfully even because it finds them inconvenient. It doesn't mean that these truths are complica… | /r/MenSupportMen | 20/02/23 11:30 AM |
| 1 | Dating apps or not?Absolutely, 100% get If you're in the US with Title IX kangaroo courts you may have a little bit to worry about. But just be careful. Yes, there is some injustice and you could get screwed over, but also, you could get messed up just crossing the street. It doesn't mean you should stop crossing streets, just look both ways before you do. Lots of guys try to get girls before they get good at social skills. I think this is a mistake focus on getting good social skills first. Be entertaining and re… | /r/MenSupportMen | 19/02/23 06:29 PM |
| 9 | “We can still be friends”Source: I get laid. Must not be helping you much if you're still so insecure that you need to put people down on the internet who are trying but having difficulty. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/23 02:06 PM |
| 1 | “We can still be friends”I don't understand what is happening on this thread it is a dumpster fire of stupidity. Different people live by different values, and most western societies are very liberal minded and try to accommodate a wide range of values. Some couples consider it acceptable to flirt other others even in a committed relationships. There are couples of convenience who have agreed to be together only until they find someone better. There are open relationships. If you approach a woman to flirt with her, it's… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/23 02:04 PM |
| 102 | The “incel” slur is making it impossible for me to use the internetThey don't hate you. They hate an invisible imaginary strawman that misandrist propaganda has invented. But they're convinced it exists and they're looking for it everywhere. Not having sex doesn't make you an "incel". The word has been redifined in these people's minds. Being evil is what makes someone an "incel", they believe that not having sex helps with becoming evil, but it's not a requirement. My point is, they don't hate you. They're being ignorant, prejudiced and hateful. So, don't take… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/23 05:21 AM |
| 2 | Until we learn to discuss child victims of radicalisation without blaming them people like Tate will for ever take advantage of them.But how would you respond to that? Because it's not a good idea to undersell the argument. It's been used very effectively for a long while now and it's not easy to dismiss. Especially in a hostile environment. A generalization of the argument goes like this: oppressor ancestors -> expectations of being able to oppress -> reactionary feeling of being oppressed due to inability to oppress others -> attempt to regain oppressive powers. It's possible that the argument gains its legitimacy from slav… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/02/23 03:36 PM |
| 1 | Texas Woman's University System is now under a large federal investigation for anti-male discrimination as a result of my activism.For allegation 1, I was hoping that something in Title IX would work to indict the entire school's mission statement / purpose. But skimming through the text of the law, I don't see anything that fits. What actually fit is from Obama's "Dear Colleagues" letter which stretches Title IX law to include sexual harassment by a student on another student. The premise for this is that sexual harassment is considered sexual discrimination. And when that sexual harassment creates a hostile environment th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/02/23 11:40 AM |
| 2 | Texas Woman's University System is now under a large federal investigation for anti-male discrimination as a result of my activism.Ok, now I understand better thanks. I can't wait for the book! And I also read a couple paragraphs of the case processing manual. I'm not seeing where it would say that ANY evidence is required. Ok, I have a new "theory". This one is a bit of a stretch because I imagine you would have noticed by now. But I like coming up with theories so here it goes: Maybe evidence isn't required. It's only required that you make an allegation that you believe to be true. So they don't need any evidence, YOU ne… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/02/23 10:28 AM |
| 7 | Texas Woman's University System is now under a large federal investigation for anti-male discrimination as a result of my activism.These are just my thoughts on this. For allegation 1: I think I just don't understand what you're accusing TWUS of. Or more specifically, you seem to be accusing them of being created by discriminatory state law. OCR's position seems to be, if they obey the state law and as a result disobey federal law, then it's in their purview to address the infractions themselves. But if they disobey the state law and obey the federal law, then there's nothing for OCR to do. And that seems sensible to me. Bu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/02/23 02:40 PM |
| 1 | How do we defeat institutional misandry?We need a roadmap or a working document or something, where we can all first identify and hierarchize male issues, and then discuss together how to best approach the problems. I agree, but we need someone who's not lazy to make that happen. I don't fit that criteria right now. I have a few ideas, but they'd need a whole thread. I encourage you strongly to do that. If you want to just workshop it first, you can post it as a thread under this topic. "White male privilege" has definitely not been d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/23 03:36 AM |
| 1 | How do we defeat institutional misandry?I haven't actually dug into academia yet. I don't know if I will. I'm kinda lazy. But from circumstantial evidence, it seems like the "white male privilege" ideas have been debunked in "serious" academic "research". If this is true, then that is progress. I don't how if this can be corrected, or how. That's part of what I'm proposing. And ideological framework (and many have already begun, I think, but we need something that's smarter and better than what feminism has, which is a monumental ef… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/02/23 02:55 PM |
| 1 | How do we defeat institutional misandry?Yep, I agree with both your points. Misogyny and misandry seem to be rooted in greed. People who want to have more and think it will be easier to do it at other people's expense. Have you ever tried to "enlightened" someone with internalized misandry? I woudln't even know how to begin. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/02/23 01:50 PM |
| 1 | How do we defeat institutional misandry?I don't know how to do this on a large scale. But once you recognize the concept, you can actually start doing it and make friends with men who do the same. My life has improved immensely once I started doing that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/02/23 01:42 PM |
| 3 | Empathy Gap PatternI think you're convincing me. It really could be another very strong indicator of a lack of empathy towards men. Then again he also practically intentionally uses the word "Retard" as well. Which is another insult that has collateral damage. But I'm quite certain he has nothing against the mentally challenged. I'd have to watch the video too. But I can't be bothered to care :P Maybe it's all part of his strategy of gaining more hate viewers? By not watching it I'm winning! Very efficient use of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/23 03:16 PM |
| 3 | Empathy Gap PatternLet me put it this way. The reason I like him, is that he genuinely tries to understand ALL the perspective and come with a principled position and then also tries to talk in good faith with people with radically different views and as a result tone down polarization. But, his style, his personal decision, the mixing of his personal life in his work, the reliance on drama farming for views.... It's kinda like what they said in a movie about batman. He's not the hero Gotham deserves but he's the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/23 02:26 PM |
| 5 | How do we defeat institutional misandry?I'm a little sleep deprived right now. So I'll just say a couple of things: All of what I say are my beliefs. I don't claim any actual scientific backing for the things I say. I'm pretty sure that at least in this thread/post I have been very clear about that. I don't understand why you would accuse my statements of not having scientific foundation. I've skimmed through half of the paper you referenced me, and a little bit of the paper that the paper you've referenced me. And I am somehow shocke… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/23 01:58 PM |
| 8 | How do we defeat institutional misandry?I have to say that I really don't like the way the word reactionary is used in general. To me it seems to be the correct response when a party/group that is better informed or even just plain smarter than you is actively and unjustly working against your interests. At least initially. I haven't really looked into it, my expectation is that a proper objective investigation into feminist ideology will reveal that is almost entirely permeated in misandrist ideology. Any resemblance to a proper egal… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/23 06:27 AM |
| 10 | How do we defeat institutional misandry?Money talks, that's step 5. You're applying pressure on decision makers. But if you haven't gone through steps one through 4, decision makers won't understand what the money is saying and you're not going to the result you're hoping for. Oil and Gas understand this, they've gone through all of steps 1 through 4. Step 1: They've created an ideological foundation that will support their goal. E.g. It's not man made. Step 2: They've published tons of propaganda to support it. Step 3: They've funded… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/23 05:56 AM |
| 33 | How Feminism-Related Conflict TORCHED Organized Atheism: Insider Account of Men's Advocacy LeaderAt the end of that clip you talk about the effect of mixing people who have different ideological motivations but have some commonality in purpose. Specifically, how many of the people in the atheist community were there to support the ideals of rationalism, but many others were coming in not to support rationalism but just to oppose religion. We're having a similar situation now in the men's rights community where many of us are opposed to feminism due to it's anti-egalitarian approach and acti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/23 04:36 AM |
| 10 | Empathy Gap PatternHere's how I would put it. Imagine Destiny with all the same intelligence and amount of time spent to understand thing as he does now. Except he's poor, single and he's not getting laid because he got too fat and is spending too much time on work and stuff. I don't think he would say "Well it is unfair that men are forced to pay child support for a child that they had no choice in having to the women who intentionally decided to have that child, but it really is about the best interest of the ch… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/23 11:44 PM |
| 2 | I think that positive masculinity is just traditional masculinity without of the negatives of traditional masculinity, how it really isn't realistic for most men, and how some on the left use this to push bootstraps narrative for menYour arguments aren't sound. You say: No social norms, mean no society. But you're missing the part where "no norms for men" means the same thing as "no social norms". And then you say: As men and women are different, there will be different norms for men and women. Light brown haired people are different from dark browned haired people, and yet the social norms aren't different. I mean it's obvious to me that social norms for men have been critical for the success of society in the past and tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/23 11:50 AM |
| 4 | How should the Left handle difficult topics like forgiveness and rehabilitation?Yes, but a large enough proportion of the population will exploit systemic forgiveness to the maximum extent and can cause a lot of harm. Forgiveness is absolutely necessary, but it needs to be applied with care. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/23 11:25 AM |
| 1 | How should the Left handle difficult topics like forgiveness and rehabilitation?I wouldn't say that forgiveness is a left vs right thing. It's more of socialist/nationalist vs individualist thing. Which you could argue means that it's a conservative vs liberal thing. Basically socialist/nationalist values the group more than the individual, so excising a bad actor with no forgiveness may be seen as most cost effective from the perspective of the success of the whole group. From a radical individualist perspective the now individual should not be condemned for the actions of… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/23 11:22 AM |
| 4 | How should the Left handle difficult topics like forgiveness and rehabilitation?Reminds me of a quote from doctor who: You're all the same you screaming kids. You know that? "Look at me I'm unforgivable". Well here's the unforeseeable: "I forgive you" after all you've done... I forgive you. https://youtu.be/BJP9o4BEziI?t=148 Forgiveness should be given easily and freely to those no longer inclined or even simply no longer in a position to cause harm. But we need to be extremely wary of those who persist in their intent to cause harm and are able to return to a position wh… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/23 11:05 AM |
| 56 | Empathy Gap PatternIt's the general response to someone trying as much as possible to prevent the reality of a situation from being revealed. Original redpillers called it the hamster. When an uncomfortable truth threatens you, the hamster starts spinning the wheel and rationalizations come out. And with each new data point contrary to your world view, the hamster spins another turn and spits out another rationalization. Of course those red pillers framed it in the context of just women being irrational rather tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/23 10:20 AM |
| 55 | Empathy Gap PatternThis is exactly what bugs me with Destiny's take on gender issues. He seems stuck on point 5. I think he's an example of one of the fundamental problems we're facing. Men with power, money and/or influence have those things and have a hard time understanding that this is not the normal male experience. Even if they try. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/23 10:14 AM |
| 2 | Property taxes are absurdly regressive (And changing that helps men)I'd argue that the super wealthy don't own all of the properties is specifically because of the property taxes. If you remove property taxes, property prices will skyrocket as the super wealthy investors keep outbidding each other. Also, taxing the super wealthy is really difficult because of how mobile their capital assets can be. Houses, furniture and cars (and maybe boats) are really difficult to stash away in the Caribbean. However I'd argue that property taxes should be redistributed federa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/23 10:00 AM |
| 10 | Are these two sides of the same coin?I would argue that no only you could apply it to any systemic critique, you should. The fundamental problem is treating a systemic critique as dogmatically correct when there is no clear objective mechanism to ascertain the degree to which the critique relates to reality and the degree of severity of the critique. Critical theory is a good example of what I would consider intentionally losing track of an objective assessment of the severity of the systemic problem as well as the near complete di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/23 06:17 AM |
| 17 | Need Help With My Therapist (Sources if possible)I'm just joining the choir here, but get a new therapist if you can. If this is someone you have to see (e.g. court appointed) I don't know how things work well enough to give advice. If you're in the United States, you do need to be aware of the APA Guidelines for Boys and men. It's been the center of a bit of controversy in 2019 due to their interpretation of and advice about "traditional masculinity". You can find their guideline here: https://www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guidel… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/23 05:08 AM |
| 2 | Is the whole redpill "female imperative" thing true?I am disappointed in seeing so many comments just labeling TRP is complete nonsense. It's just not, it's one of the rare few resources that seem to be generally demonstrated at being effective at getting men to get laid. So it can't just be nonsense. However, the topic of gender relations, especially as seen through the lens of evolution is so complex as to be beyond humanity's ability to understand today. TRP's often apparent claim to be an ultimate authority on the truth of the matter is absol… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/01/23 02:13 PM |
| 19 | Is the whole redpill "female imperative" thing true?Like many other words in modern discourse "redpill" has come to mean a very wide variety of things. However, in my experience, it is never "just a tool", it always includes some perspective through which to interpret reality that is very specific to it. In other words, it always has a strong philosophical/ideological component. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/01/23 01:23 PM |
| 5 | Apparently, more women have been killed "just bc they're women" in the last 50 years than all the men combined from all the wars in the 20th century.She is probably talking about gendered infanticide and abortion in china. Due to China's one child policy and the Chinese culture where it is the son that takes care of the parents in their old age, a lot of Chinese families have been ensuring that their one child is a son, not a girl. This includes ways to filter out female sperm from male sperm, abortions of girls, killing the baby if it's a girl and just not reporting the child if it's a girl. You can see this explained in this wikipedia arti… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/23 06:05 PM |
| 2 | How to square support from economic equality, with support for sexual liberalism which creates sexual inequality?"Female Hypergamy" is a concept created by men who can't self-reflect. The truth is that everyone is "hypergamous", everyone wants the best deal available. A man's sex drive is double that of a woman's, this makes men flood women with options and ANYONE would be picky if they were flooded with options. I clearly defined what I meant by Hypergamy. You're inventing a new and pointless interpretation of the word with what appears to me to be and idiotic attempt to mock the concept of hypergamy. W… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/23 06:44 PM |
| 2 | How to square support from economic equality, with support for sexual liberalism which creates sexual inequality?I, sadly, don't have an answer. But I do have a lot of thoughts on the topic. I haven't seen you mention the term hypergamy explicitly, which is strange because that would be the root of the problem. If men and women are both equally interested in seeking exclusive partnerships, then naturally everyone will pair off regardless of how deregulated the sexual marketplace becomes. Or in cases where the least attractive men are unwilling to pair off with the least attractive women (and/or vice versa)… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/01/23 03:48 PM |
| 3 | How to square support from economic equality, with support for sexual liberalism which creates sexual inequality?The word "equity" means equality of outcome. I realize that a lot of words these days are being redefined to the point of being meaningless, but I have never seen the word equity be used in any other sense than "equality of outcome". I will add that equality of outcome along all axes of evaluation is impossible and leads to contradictions, and the users of the word equity seem to have their own preferences as two which axes of evaluation to prioritize when evaluating outcomes. Agiganticpanda is … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/01/23 02:26 PM |
| 3 | Are there any real positive affirmations for men?Studies seem to show that affirmations are pretty much worthless (https://steverosephd.com/do-positive-affirmations-work/ ). I want to try and give more advice, but it's not easy. You seem to be in your late teens/early 20s and I didn't feel like I was "struggling a lot in all areas of my life" at that age. But there's one thing that seems to be similar is the lack of faith in society and the impression that you're pretty much on your own. Is both correct and incorrect. And the ways in which you… | /r/MenSupportMen | 02/01/23 03:22 AM |
| 72 | I am blown away at how many people are applauding Greta Thunberg for D-shaming Andrew Tate.For anyone wondering what is going on with Andrew Tate, check out this video by coffeezilla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BijOF8I2t_4 His entire thing is to create buzz on social media so people will talk about him while simultaneously showing off how rich he is and how much of an asshole he can get away with being because he's rich. All so he can turn around and sell "get rich" courses. It's all just advertising for a scam. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/12/22 02:51 AM |
| 4 | Worried for my cousin, want to reach out but don't know how to not scare herThis forum is so hard. People come on here with pretty difficult issues, but no one seems to have the required expertise to truly help. But here's my two cents. Don't worry about being socially awkward. If your awkwardness throws her off to the point that she can't relate to you, then you can't help her. But it doesn't hurt to try. You can only help people who want to help themselves. You don't know if she actually wants help. Set your expectations accordingly, you do what you can't do worry too… | /r/MenSupportMen | 28/12/22 10:14 PM |
| 6 | Advice for men in their 20s?continued (I went over the character limit) People / Friends Last but not least. Maintaining a good friends group. Good friends are people who help you feel connected on a regularly basis and can be there for you either in practical or emotional matters when you need it on occasion. But in general, you should be able to manage your own shit. As you get in your 20s - mid twenties. The venues that used to automatically hand feed you friends disappear and now you have to go out and make friends on … | /r/MenSupportMen | 20/12/22 09:38 PM |
| 8 | Advice for men in their 20s?I don't know about your specifics so I'll speak to young men in general. I've ended up writing a whole dissertation. While many of the stuff I write are things that I've believed in since I was a child, I think it still counts as a result of learning from experience, because many of the things I've believed in as a child has proven to be invalid. So what's left has shown itself to have survived the test of time. Scams There are two major things that if you don't have enough of it, then it's ever… | /r/MenSupportMen | 20/12/22 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Might have to break up with my "feminist" friendEveryone is different. But personally I prefer to sort through things on my own. Relying on others to this degrees just doesn't seem workable to me. Ordinarily, as a child you learn to handle things on your own as you're very slowly given more and more responsibilities and challenges year after year. I vaguely remember some of your posts, so maybe you didn't have the chance to learn these things as a child so you need to figure them out now. In general, you need to figure everything out for your… | /r/MenSupportMen | 19/12/22 04:09 PM |
| 11 | Being anti-feminism means being anti-women. What is your counter argument to that claim?I've never seen it happen. But this is the general rhetoric I plan to use. I'm not anti-feminist. I'm anti-"misandrist feminist" or I'm anti-"toxic feminist". But I also believe that the overwhelming majority of influential feminists are misandrist/toxic. It is possible to advocate for women's rights without trampling on men's rights. But that's not what I see from these influential feminists. And when it comes to oppressive forces against men, these influential feminists are a primary culprit. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/12/22 01:10 AM |
| 37 | Within-job gender pay inequality in 15 countriesYep, this has been recognized for a while among MRAs: If it's a women's issue, it is systemic. If it is a man's issue, then it is individual up to lack of accountability for men. At which point it becomes a systemic issue. E.g. men commit more suicide it's because the individual chooses more violent means (the individual is the cause of the issue) which is a result of toxic masculinity and promotion of violence among men due a "boys will be boys" mentality (society is to blame only in that it fa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/22 03:57 PM |
| 6 | On the failed feminist colonisation of traditionally “male” geek spacesThe Doctor was the last one to fall prey to feminists. But oddly, from my interpretation of the Doctor he's the first one that should have been gender (and / or race) swapped. Even though he is an alien, to me he represents the best that humanity can aspire to be. As such, the various doctors should represents the various "kinds" of humans. We've seen them be young, old, or based from various different parts of the UK (it being a UK centric, it's ok that he's always a UK based character. But tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/22 11:11 PM |
| 4 | Any guys out there?I also highly recommend meetup.com wherever you are. Most cities have a "new in town" group that you can join that meet regularly. You can go there and make some new friend. I do this every time I move someplace new. | /r/MenSupportMen | 11/11/22 10:42 AM |
| 14 | Switzerland discriminating against men on pension benefits, ECHR findsThe decision is expected to reopen a long-running debate in Switzerland about … I despise this kind of journalist weasel language. Expected by whom? Half the time it's a complete fabrication, and half of what's left is stretching the truth but sometimes it's true. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/22 02:48 AM |
| 3 | Is the dismissal of misandry for not being "systemic" systemic in itself?I don't think that's what systemic means. Systemic means that it is a result of the way the system (aka society) works without necessarily being explicitly intended by anyone in the system. So systemic sexism is a society that results in unfair disadvantages being brought to ne gender without necessarily there being any explicit intention by anyone to bring about these disadvantages. Things that are "necessary for a prevailing method of reproducing or protecting the power , wealth, enjoyment str… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/22 02:36 AM |
| 4 | I'm a Wizard Today, and I Feel AwfulI want to try and give you advice, but it's so hard without knowing more about you. Most men spend an enormous amount of time attention effort and resources towards the goal of getting laid. But if you don't feel it's worth that much effort, then there is some solace in knowing that it was a semi-conscious choice. Yes, you want to get laid, but no you didn't want to spend the effort required to make it happen. However, generally speaking, your level of attractiveness shoot up starting at 30. Now… | /r/MenSupportMen | 07/10/22 01:35 AM |
| 32 | What's happening to boys in school?I'm skeptical about "redshirting". The fact that boys find it more difficult to adapt to school rules and expectations compared to girls of the same age doesn't mean that they can't learn many other concepts that school should teach like language skills, and reasoning skills. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/22 02:46 PM |
| 1 | Time For Left To ADMIT Boys, Men Are In CRISISYou got me to listen to the video again more closely. I really don't like his solution that boys should start school a year later. Saying that boys mature a year later than girls is true in a very real sense, but in a more practical sense, I think it's better to say that boys mature differently than girls. Boys can understand the concepts being taught just as well girls of the same age (and frankly, I suspect even better) , they're just not able to adapt to the education environment as well as g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/22 12:14 AM |
| 1 | Time For Left To ADMIT Boys, Men Are In CRISISIf I understand correctly, you're saying that the problem is society's mistreatment of men. What we're looking for is general raising of empathy towards men so that society no longer mistreats men. What I'm saying is that if you take the perspective that no matter what there will be a "script for men" and that currently the script for men is "masculinity is toxic, stop being masculine", then yes, not having the right script for men is part of the problem. By trying to steer the script towards fa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/22 06:58 PM |
| 2 | Time For Left To ADMIT Boys, Men Are In CRISISThese things are extremely difficult to properly nail down. I personally believe that there are biological differences between men and women that can affect their abilities to achieve certain types of things. But I would be beyond shocked if it turned out that women were just more inherently capable than men at academic and intellectual pursuits. However, I would be the opposite of shocked if it turned out that boy's academic and intellectual potential was being squandered because the learning e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/22 03:37 AM |
| 1 | Time For Left To ADMIT Boys, Men Are In CRISISI used to have the same perspective as you, but I have to admit that I like the new script he's proposing. Fatherhood, spend time with and provide for your children. And I think this same script needs to be given to women. Motherhood: spend time with and provide for your children. Western nations are falling far behind in birth rates and having institutions strongly backing these ideas would fix this. Strong concepts of liberalism on the sides should provide for the necessary freedom for both me… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/22 03:20 AM |
| 2 | Time For Left To ADMIT Boys, Men Are In CRISISWell that didn't take long: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/xhn1zy/comment/iozsele/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Consider maybe that the "something else" that's is that the men who are average or just below average just give up entirely because they recognize how much the system is stacked against them and they don't have the required genius to overcome that unlike the "several men who excelled". These men are likely to get suckered into get rich quick sche… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/22 03:13 AM |
| 54 | My response to "the alt right playbook, How to radicalize a normie"That is a good effort. I might try watching it as well. But honestly, it already fails much earlier: He likes video games, sci-fi, comics, star wars and anime. White guy shit. https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g?t=13 So, cheap racism and derogatory towards Gabe from the very start. But maybe, instead of making a list of all the subtle bigotry and the "tone deaf" of the video, it'd be better to list what's accurate and what's inaccurate and most importantly what's missing: the contribution of people lik… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/22 02:55 AM |
| 6 | Redistribute unpaid work | UN WomenIt's hard because the argument for "unpaid work" for women is backed by a massive propaganda campaign. In contrast your statements for "unpaid work" for men will appear to be just unsubstantiated speculation. I think it's a good idea to fight this fight, no reason to give misandrists a free win. But don't expect to easily win this one when talking with people who are either misandrist, biased or incapable of independent thought. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/22 11:49 PM |
| 2 | Please refute the "flawed" study that everyone quotes saying men leave their partners when they get cancer.This would mean that about 4% of men cheat. If 25% of cheaters are men and 75% are women. Then 3 times as many women cheat than men. So if 13% of women cheat, then 4.33% of men cheat (assuming that there are as many men as women) | /r/MensRights | 03/10/22 10:23 AM |
| 1 | Do you guys feel that sexual assault of men by female perpetrators is becoming more accepted as reality in the popularconsciousness?It's still true today, but there's reason to be optimistic that it will change drastically in the next 5 years. But... I have a very poor track record on predicting the future. I'm still hopeful though. | /r/MensRights | 03/10/22 10:11 AM |
| 1 | Hypocrisy of FeminismI like to go even as far as to say "Misandrist Feminists". There are a huge number of rank and file feminists who don't know they're being misandrist. So when you say feminists do misandrist thing X, those rank and file will think: "That's not true, I'm a feminist and I don't do X" and conclude that MRAs have no idea what they're talking about. But if you say misandrist feminists do misandrist thing X, those rank and file will think: "Well, I'm not a misandrist thank god I don't do X. Well I did… | /r/MensRights | 03/10/22 09:59 AM |
| 5 | Cognitive dissonance giving me another nervous breakdown soon.The constant framing of men as evil perpetrators, and women of helpless innocent victims as it is being done in the western world, is not reality, but a form of repeated brainwashing Correct! a lever and tool of social engineering, to oppress us, manipulate us and politically weild power over us? I haven't a smoking gun on this one. It's really unclear how much of it is premeditated vs opportunistic vs naïve, instinctual and organic. But as others have said, feminism does seem awfully convenie… | /r/MensRights | 03/10/22 09:48 AM |
| 7 | A comment a made about not needing to use the term 'Patriarchy'This is a great condemnation of today's feminist discourse and a good attempt at bringing the conversation back to leftist discourse. Speaking of leftist discourse. What you're talking about in terms of overthrowing the current system needs to be done with great care. Power hierarchies are natural and self organizing structures in any society. Attempting to overthrow them naively just creates a power vacuum that typically gets replaced by an even more inegalitarian system. Many leftists often ad… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/09/22 02:14 AM |
| 14 | Purity of privilegeI'd like that add the the real biggest issue with privilege based discussion is that it always seems to lead to the dehumanization of those considered privileged. That leads to a lot of evil. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/09/22 10:54 PM |
| 2 | Post-2015 feminism has been an extremely well timed help for the CIA and Wall StreetA lot of stuff that looks conspiratorial can happen organically. Imagine like 20 different feminist organisations popping up. And 18 of them recognize that the root problem is a class issue and comes down to regulatory control of capitalist powers. And 2 of them refused to see things this way and chose to hyperfocus on sexism as the sole root cause of all evil. Guess which organisations will receive political support and have their voice amplified by politicians? Guess which organisations will r… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/09/22 03:15 AM |
| 1 | This is more a vent than me asking for help but help would be niceI still want to reiterate that I'm not a professional by a long shot. But since you don't have access to one I'll still try to give you advice. You're telling me your depression is situational but then you describe to me behavior that from my understanding leads directly to the kind of depression I'm talking about which is physical. You're used to live life at high energy levels. But as you get older this becomes harder to maintain even if you don't notice. And then you get hit by a bunch of dra… | /r/MenSupportMen | 19/09/22 04:23 AM |
| 15 | The Boy Crisis: Experimental Evidence on the Acceptance of Males Falling BehindThe insidious thing is that after a few decades of this, it naturally leads to not "trying hard enough" because your efforts aren't rewarded. So then the bigots will even be correct in saying that the disadvantaged group isn't trying as hard as the advantaged group. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/22 11:12 PM |
| 19 | Post-2015 feminism has been an extremely well timed help for the CIA and Wall StreetThat's what I understood from what I read at the time. I wasn't there, can't say for sure, and a quick internet search doesn't really reveal anything. Edit: But the top result did give me this article: https://btlonline.org/occupy-wall-street-10-years-later-lessons-learned-on-inclusion-and-intersectionality-2/ Choice quotes from near the end of the article: And we need an analysis that really takes in the complexity of inequality in our country. This would be more of an intersectional message. T… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/22 02:51 PM |
| 1 | A coworker I really liked rejected me last night. I feel like shit, and I’m too embarrassed to go to workWhat is this with everyone saying she led you on? My first instinct reading this is that she WAS interested and she did hope it would lead to sex. But something happened that turned her off it. Also, having been on the flip side of the situation. It can be a little creepy and a turn off when the other person misreads the situation. Honestly, it's kinda shitty to expect the other person to be able to read your mind, but it's also a way of telling if you're compatible. There should have been no do… | /r/MenSupportMen | 18/09/22 02:35 PM |
| 58 | Post-2015 feminism has been an extremely well timed help for the CIA and Wall StreetOccupy wallstreet was killed by intersectional feminism. People would want to speak and they had a waiting queue. They ordered people in the queue based on oppression olympics. Meaning that black lgbtq women were placed first and cis het white men never got to speak. Feminism has been a tool to divert attention from wealth disparity and civil rights for a long time. Probably dates back all the way to the eighties. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/22 02:01 PM |
| 1 | This is more a vent than me asking for help but help would be niceOk, I'm going to do something that a lot of poster don't like, and I'm going to talk about myself. But just to be clear, the reason I do this is because I can't know enough about you from just your post to give you meaningful advice. All I can do explain a situation that happened to me and how I solved it and hope that somewhere in there you find something that's useful to you. So I used to be depressed. I think just a fraction of how depressed you are (like maybe a quarter). It made doing the s… | /r/MenSupportMen | 18/09/22 03:37 AM |
| 5 | A coworker I really liked rejected me last night. I feel like shit, and I’m too embarrassed to go to workYou can find a great partner at 17 just like you can at 37. It's less likely but it's still possible. And I can't think of many people with jobs at 17 that's worth preserving. In fact, arguably one of the best benefits of a job at 17 is the dating prospects you find there. But, just generally speaking, this dehumanization of interpersonal contact at work by declaring "don't shit where you work" doesn't feel right to me. You work colleagues are people, not drones. You don't choose your work colle… | /r/MenSupportMen | 18/09/22 02:36 AM |
| 2 | Story about how I am currently accused of domestic violence. Also, i've posted in MRA, am i allowed to post here?I believe he was referring specifically to the mensrights subreddit. Not the movement as a whole. From my perspective it is becoming very ideologically driven, similarly to feminism, but with the genders reversed. So you'll regularly see criticism about women but claim they're not talking about all women, but you still get the sense that they mean all women, or that all women should feel collective guilt about this behavior. Exactly the same as what feminists do with toxic masculinity. I don't t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/09/22 09:22 AM |
| 5 | Bias against reserved menWomen are individuals, they'll have different reactions. Also, keep in mind that while you're a real nice guy. There are also a lot of "nice guys", as in actually predatory guys pretending to be nice just to get close to a girl. There's also oblivious "nice guys" that think they're real nice guys. But mysteriously are only nice to attractive girls they'd want to have sex with and ignore pretty much everyone else. So, many times, when a girl complains about "nice guys" she's usually complaining a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/22 06:32 AM |
| 7 | Bias against reserved menNot all guys like that are predators, obviously, but isn't it more likely? Guys like that can't be predators if she wants to have sex with them. It's only the guys that she doesn't want to have sex with that carry the risk of unwanted sexual advances. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/22 06:18 AM |
| 3 | Bias against reserved menThose "studies" were the results of asking women what they like about men. I haven't seen the studies themselves. But PUAs have since forever explained that you should never get dating advice from a girl. She may just tell you what she thinks you want to hear, she may just tell you what she thinks she's expected to say, or worst, she may just list the things that her boyfriend and ex-boyfriends did that she found annoying, even if these very things directly or indirectly contributed to her attra… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/22 06:13 AM |
| 6 | Looking for your perspective: Crafting interview questions for a qualitative dissertation about young men's relationship with masculinity and its impact on their mental health help-seekingIt's like you're fishing for evidence of fragile male ego. Consider these adjustments: The disparity of how young men think traditional masculinity is valued by women vs how much it actually is (see Burn and Ward, 2005) The disparity between how much masculinity is actually valued by women vs how society teaches men how much it is. How the current state of economic reality in the US, in which most young men cannot be financially independent like their parents were due to rising costs and stagnan… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/22 05:19 AM |
| 3 | Neoteknokraterna have taken a stance to criminalise circumcision for the upcoming Swedish electionYep that's what I'm trying to say. "Authoritarian left" claim to be about equality only as a matter of rhetoric. Their justification is that equality doesn't happen organically so authoritarian force needs to be applied to bring equality. But in truth, they attempt to create a very unequal society with the authoritarian party as an upper class. So as a result they are not left wing, they only present themselves as such. I also think that left wing pundits who work on a platform of post truth rhe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/09/22 07:38 PM |
| 7 | Neoteknokraterna have taken a stance to criminalise circumcision for the upcoming Swedish electionWhile I think most people associate the left with the liberal egalitarian. There is such a thing as the authoritarian left. They believe that the only way to bring fair and equal treatment to the masses is trough the use of a radically authoritarian government that will impose equality despite every individual's tendency to seek inequality. Practically every communist country in the world throughout history proves that this is a terrible idea. But people keep trying to advocate for it. My guess … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/09/22 01:31 PM |
| 12 | should we be attaking feminism? Or just misandry?When speaking to uninformed/misinformed people (feminist or not) I try to use OP's technique of only attacking misandrists or misandrist feminists. As the person become more informed they should eventually come to the conclusion that feminism is misandrist. But it won't happen in one discussion, so better keep the focus on one topic at a time and not waste time on feminism as a whole. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/22 03:09 PM |
| 2 | semi-feminist madly in love with a LWMA memberOne more topic: - due to the term's misleading nature which creates a world enabling misandry in which innocent men are being blamed and often painfully mistreated for sins of their fathers, the term should be replaced by TWO other terms to avoid mixing abusers with victims: one term should just be "harm done by male gender expectations to males" (such as an abusive father teaching one to man up as if that's the better way to be, denying him the joy of being feminine) and other should be "harm d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/22 11:57 PM |
| 1 | semi-feminist madly in love with a LWMA memberThat's quite the wall of text. I agree with a lot, I will only address what I disagree with: - feminism does strive for an egalitarian world (even when accidentally making two steps back after a step forward), but it's not egalitarianism itself, so as a helpful force in reaching the goal it's supposed to simply recognize a need to address women issues alongside a need to address men issues and to address women ones due to wanting to pitch in using its women-focused resources and without blocking… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/22 11:24 PM |
| 7 | semi-feminist madly in love with a LWMA memberFeminism is a doomed term. You can't achieve equality without incorporating the perspective of all sides of the system. So feminism can never achieve "Equality for women" you can only achieve "Equality between men and women" or "Equality between people of all genders". I think it's a quote from animal farm "All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others". And I believe the same is true for men's rights. Forums like /r/mensrights or /r/LevelWingMaleAdvocate will never … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/22 10:30 PM |
| -1 | Reddit promotes hateAnd if you search for rights you'll see men's rights as the second result. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that reddit admins are misandrists. I don't think this "search results" is the smoking gun you seem to think it is. | /r/MensRights | 26/08/22 01:02 PM |
| 2 | Honestly its absolutely unacceptable to see MRA and WRA settling their disputes with Misandry and Misogyny.On reddit? No really. If you think he's lying, go find the evidence to refute it yourself. If you're legitimately trying to educate yourself, you've been given an excellent starting point, you can do the rest of the work yourself. But if you have a preconceived ideology and belief that you want to protect regardless of reality then you should continue to do what you're doing now. | /r/MensRights | 20/08/22 08:15 AM |
| 2 | Honestly its absolutely unacceptable to see MRA and WRA settling their disputes with Misandry and Misogyny.What the hell is this nonsense? This is an open forum full of amateurs. If you want a someone to do some real work, hire someone and pay them. Also, the point in question was weather feminism was in opposition to men's rights. While much of that opposition comes in the form of legislation. Most of it comes in other forms as well. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/22 07:54 PM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on Andrew Tate?If you didn't watch it, then you haven't earned the right to critique it. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/22 07:38 PM |
| 7 | What are your thoughts on Andrew Tate?I only watched the second one. He not saying that women shouldn't drive, he's saying that he doesn't allow women to drive his cars. His justification is that women have no sense of honor or responsibility. Of course this is in his world where he sets himself up to be surrounded with gold diggers with no honor or responsibility. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/22 07:36 PM |
| 12 | The Reason People Like Andrew Tate Exist Is Because No One On The The Left/Feminist Decided To Stick Up For Men's Issues.I think a big problem is a problem of nuance. Mainstream modern discourse can't handle nuance. You have to be able to say "men in the modern world should be free to just BE" and "men in the modern world need to understand that to be successful in their social, dating and business life, that they are expected to take on more dominant/protector/provider roles and that succeeding with these roles will bring them success". These are not contradictory statements. The first is advice on how we should … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/22 08:13 PM |
| 4 | What is your argument against someone claim that "Gynocentrism is MRA's version of Patriarchy, so its a equally dumb concept"wtf even IS gynocentrism? We've got all sorts of people throwing around stats of disadvantaged men as "proof" of gynocentrism. Just like feminists throw around bs stats as "proof" of patriarchy. Like men make more money than women on average. Men tend to hold the majority of positions of high political office. etc... But when you bring all those statistics to start making broad and abstract claims, that's when you lose me. We simply do not have the tools to conclusively make these kinds of claim… | /r/MensRights | 15/08/22 07:06 PM |
| 3 | Sexual Violence in the ‘Manosphere’: Antifeminist Men’s Rights Discourses on Rape This is actually not a bad read. I would highly recommend reading it.There is lack of research on MRA spaces because reading that content is traumatizing for feminists. There is lack of research on MRA spaces because reading that content is traumatizing for feminists. For feminists … these cyber‐sites can be arduous territories to negotiate. The seemingly endless torrent of hostility, petulance, propaganda, and downright hate‐mongering that cascades from these pages is hard to digest and capable of evoking all manner of visceral reactions. (Menzies 2007: 87) A fe… | /r/MensRights | 03/08/22 11:56 AM |
| 11 | Feminism is not the problem. Gender roles are. Although separate from it, the men's movement should try to form alliances with feminism when we can.I think the basic disconnect is that feminism has a goal/ideology already in mind – tabula rasa/blank slate – and they are searching madly for something to justify its implementation. I disagree, the overarching goal of feminism and feminists is the improvement of women's condition often at the expense of men. When the ideology of the blank slate serves their rhetorical purpose they will use it (e.g. women and men are the same, so fewer women chairpersons is a result of sexism). When that ideolo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/22 04:23 AM |
| 3 | Generalizing FeministsOn the one side I do agree with you. But on the other, it's hard to believe that someone who's not a misandrist can interact with feminists and feminist content for more than a few months without getting disgusted by the sheer amount of misandry being expressed. To do so and fail to object, suggests to me that you're at the very least a closeted misandrist. If you do object to the misandrist content, you will get swamped in vitriol so fast that you will immediately reconsider the label of femini… | /r/MensRights | 01/08/22 04:27 PM |
| -1 | Generalizing FeministsSo much of the MRA movement is simply labeling anything 'feminist' as anti-men without even looking at it. This I suspect is true. I mean, most people are idiots, the same will be true of MRAs. But fortunately for these particular idiots, 99% of the time that they would label something "Feminist" as anti-man without even looking at it, they'd be right. The MRA religion is a victim complex that ignores the fact that even now being born male is a massive social advantage in almost every industry… | /r/MensRights | 01/08/22 04:15 PM |
| 2 | Generalizing FeministsI generally try not to call them feminists. I call them misandrist or misandrist feminists. You don't lose much because 99.999% of feminists are misandrists anyway, but you're no longer generalizing and condemning that 0.001% that's not a misandrist (e.g. Christina Hoiff Sommers) If someone wants to go on a rant about MRAs who hate women, depending on the content of their rant I'll either denounce them and say exceptionally few MRAs hold these views or say that these are common conservative view… | /r/MensRights | 01/08/22 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Received a response from the Advertising Standards Authority re. EE's 'Stop Sexist Hate' Ad CampaignThanks, I had a reading comprehension mishap. I agree with everything you've said. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/08/22 12:52 PM |
| 1 | Received a response from the Advertising Standards Authority re. EE's 'Stop Sexist Hate' Ad CampaignThe ads claim 63% of men feel that misogyny comes primarily (not fully) from men. This is completely different to EE's claim that these men feel that sexist hate comes primarily from men. I don't follow. How is "63% of men feel that misogyny comes primarily (not fully) from men" different from "these men feel that sexist hate comes primarily from men" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/08/22 09:12 AM |
| 11 | Doctor Strange 2 and Lightyear came out a month apart, came from Disney, feature a young female replacement with lesbian parents for the male lead, and neither ever mentions their fathersAlso, women control the vast majority of purchasing power. This in turn affects the attitudes and priorities of marketing teams. Which in turns affects the content of all media dependent on advertising. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/22 09:07 PM |
| 17 | Can I ask what’s with the current backlash about female criminals being in prison in the UK?What you actually get most of the time is that "Patriarchy hurts men too". So you should be help us get rid of the patriarchy, e.g. by giving speakerphone this female murderer who proudly murdered a man for being a man and shows no remorse. https://news.yahoo.com/donna-hylton-torture-murder-women-154813775.html | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/22 02:51 PM |
| 3 | Reason for the creation of the men's rights movement.From my perspective. Men's rights was central to the civil rights movement. Then feminism coopted the civil rights movement and took men's right out. So a separate dedicated men's rights movement is necessary. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/22 10:45 AM |
| 95 | QuestionThe assumption that it is only men who perpetrate sexism against women and it is only women who perpetrate sexism against men is completely wrong. Men will promote misandry and women will promote misogyny all the time. Be careful not to assume that you're getting the full story on sexual discrimination about distant places. Whether it be in the past or in far away places like the middle east. While these places abound with evidence of harsh and barbaric treatments towards women that wouldn't be … | /r/MensRights | 25/07/22 05:23 PM |
| 5 | Sexism is not ‘men vs women’One big aspect I think is that powerful men have extremely easy access to women who make themselves vulnerable to them. Most of them have taken advantage of that at some point or another and all of them know personally of powerful men who continually and unapologetically take advantage of women. These men then transfer their own collective guilt onto the general male population. But these are all the most powerful and influential people in society. So this has massive systemic ramifications. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/22 12:41 PM |
| 3 | Blog post (July 8) by Dr Rick Bradford which links to various pieces of evidence countering the view that female leaders either won't be involved in wars or are less likely to be involved. Focuses largely on summarising a peer-reviewed paper involving statistical analysis entitled "Queens"It doesn't go so well with our preferred narrative, but my theory is that other rulers also thought that women wouldn't go to war and were therefore more likely to disrespect a country led by a woman. Making war more likely. Basically, war is the breakdown of negotiations. A huge component of negotiation is posturing. If your opponent doesn't take your posturing seriously, then you either have to regularly make unfavorable concessions or got to war. I guess one way to tell would be to check how … | /r/MensRights | 23/07/22 11:52 AM |
| 3 | PSA: men and women who work outside, please be careful with the summer heat waves.The problem with oppression hierarchies is one you use it to confer privileges to the "oppressed" person in their relations with someone considered more privileged. E.g. #kam is accepted because it's women (which feminists claim to be oppressed) doing it to men. The other problem with oppression hierarchies is when someone's greater victimization is used to dismiss someone else's victimization. Acceptable uses of oppression hierarchies (or I'd rather call it "greater victim" here) include: - Gro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/22 03:59 PM |
| 11 | bro what is up with all the toxic groups on reddit?Stories from /r/antiwork show up from time to time on my android phone's front page. Non feminist subreddit are probably considered to risky for mainstream media. And the subreddits that gain traction through mainstream media probably get more traffic. Mainstream media tend to prefer feminist content because feminist content is politically correct and doesn't scare advertisers. Advertising companies are often run by women and cater to women because women are the ones with the purchasing power (b… | /r/MensRights | 16/07/22 01:29 AM |
| -7 | Help meFocus on yourself and your life and on making the best of your life. Look at others for inspiration on what you can do with your life to improve it. Look to real people, not celebrities, influencers etc... You should be looking at what they're doing, not listening to what they're telling you. Stay off media that seems to tell you that you're doomed and screwed (such as /r/mensrights). Contributing to the betterment of society is a luxury, if you can't afford it right now, let other people take c… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/22 11:23 AM |
| 2 | Migration: Go where you are treated bestYou need to live there to really know. If you can afford it, take a year off work and spend a few weeks / months in various different candidate places. It's kinda what I did and it worked out great. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/22 04:05 AM |
| 5 | Yes, I Am Afraid to Write About Men's RightsI don't think that's true at all. You couldn't criticize the emperor of Japan, back in the day. But he was just a figure head. People criticise Elon Musk all the time. But he's still very powerful. It has a nice ring to it, and clearly if you're not allowed to criticize someone, then it means that somebody or something is exerting power over you. And it's likely to benefit the person or people who you're not allowed to criticise. But it's not always the case and it's not the whole story. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/22 05:51 AM |
| 7 | A question for those who identify themselves as feminists.Yep, for the very simple reason that if they were capable of and interested in answering in good faith they would choose to no longer identify as feminists. Well at least the vast majority would. The few that wouldn't would generally be considered as not a feminist by the vast majority of feminists (e.g. Christina Hoff Sommers calls herself a feminist, but based on all her talking points and rhetoric I would consider her more of an anti-feminist TradCon) | /r/MensRights | 11/07/22 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Here's something that doesn't get talked about: 71% of Children Killed by One Parent are Killed by Their Mothers; 60% of Victims are Boys.My comment history shows that I'm as anti-feminist as it gets. But I do stop short of using nonsensical sophistry to shore up bad arguments. It seem that you don't have any such limitation. Raw data is extremely flawed when trying to draw conclusions due to the effect of confounding factors. It's true that identifying all confounding factors is extremely difficult and prone to bias and prejudice of the person doing the evaluation, but to the same extent choosing to not incorporate confounding fa… | /r/MensRights | 11/07/22 06:53 PM |
| 3 | Here's something that doesn't get talked about: 71% of Children Killed by One Parent are Killed by Their Mothers; 60% of Victims are Boys.That's just because there a ton of single mother households out there. A single mom is probably not more likely to harm her child than a single dad. It's just that 85% of single parents are women. So that's going to mess up your statistics quite a lot. | /r/MensRights | 10/07/22 10:23 AM |
| 7 | Here's something that doesn't get talked about: 71% of Children Killed by One Parent are Killed by Their Mothers; 60% of Victims are Boys.In 2005 there were about 36 million families with children: https://www.statista.com/statistics/183790/number-of-families-in-the-us-by-number-of-children/ Of these: 17 million are single mother households 3.5 million are single father households https://www.statista.com/statistics/252847/number-of-children-living-with-a-single-mother-or-single-father/ So there are 19 million families with a father in it. There are about 32 million families with a mother in it. If you do 32/(19+32), that's 63% Bu… | /r/MensRights | 10/07/22 10:04 AM |
| 3 | what is it ? found this on blatant misogynyI'm not sure what the #MaritalRape is for. If I had to guess it would be in reference to a gendered law that allows a wife to accuse the husband of marital rape without evidence. It's "interesting" how they cut off the picture exactly to where you can't see the sign saying "make laws gender neutral". I still don't know if there are real people out there who look at this blatant misandrist propaganda and don't recognize it as blatant misandrist propaganda. Like are these people really out there t… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/22 09:10 AM |
| 2 | EE Mobile Network pulls a GilletteAs a reminder, Gilette is owned by P&G (Procter and Gamble) They make a TON of household products. Nearly all of which are very easily replaceable by competing products. (Toothpaste, detergents, deodorant, shampoo, soap, toothbrush, etc...) If your SO is doing the shopping and men's rights is not reason enough to change shopping habits, search "boycott P&G" or "boycott Procter and Gamble" and look for a boycott cause that she'll agree with. Here they are implying that women's feet stink. They al… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/22 05:17 AM |
| 1 | My experience of how male professionals deal with complex situations in contrast to the way women do it.And we only have the guy's account of what happened. But I can easily imagine the nurse saying something like: "We can only treat nationals here, she's not a national so I just can't enter her into the system. but nationals can be treated for free so if YOU are a national and you have a problem with your eyes I can get you to see a doctor". Enforcing the rules is her job. If she breaks those rules she maybe liable for fraud and at the very least is likely to get fired. Whereas the doctor's job i… | /r/MensRights | 04/07/22 05:36 PM |
| 5 | Men's Rights and being an incel the same thing?Shitty people will latch onto anything to gain legitimacy. As men's rights becomes more and more recognized as legitimate, more and more shitty men try to latch onto it in order to legitimize their shitty behavior. And it's only going to get worse. This does not take away from real men's rights issues that need to be addressed. Most of these issues are actively and with success being made worst by influential feminist institutions, feminists spokespeople, feminist journalists, feminist academics… | /r/MensRights | 03/07/22 07:12 AM |
| 3 | Should You Let Your Girl Have Guy FriendsHonestly, I agree that's its very distantly related at best. Helps improve men's understanding of relationships? Helps teach men how to set boundaries? Discussions about current dating culture? All of this in the context of growing numbers of young celibate men. And society reacting to this in a contemptuous rather than compassionate way is definitely a men's rights issue. But the video was posted without context... So yeah... Also, you characterizing my post as "ridiculus [...] drivel" seems … | /r/MensRights | 02/07/22 05:45 PM |
| 6 | Should You Let Your Girl Have Guy FriendsObviously you should "let" your girl have guy friends. Unless you're muslim and it's the 1800s. What this video really seems to be about is that story of this girl who would bring her gay best friend along on dates. This is very disrespectful. So it's not really about what to do about your girl's guy friends. It's a question about what to do when a girl you're dating or trying to date is disrespecting you. The guy in the video is using what seems to be "Red Pill" lingo but isn't applying it corr… | /r/MensRights | 02/07/22 02:48 PM |
| 6 | Should You Let Your Girl Have Guy FriendsLol, tell me you haven't watched the video without telling you haven't watched the video. | /r/MensRights | 02/07/22 02:02 PM |
| 2 | A Point on Row people seem to be completely missing.Then you have congress pass a constitutional amendment. You might not even need to pass a constitutional amendment. The federal government as a ton of loopholes (not least of which is the interstate commerce amendment) that lets the federal congress pass laws that must be upheld in every state. So congress might actually be able to pass a law that guarantees access to abortion for women in every state without having to create a constitutional amendment. | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 12:58 AM |
| 3 | A Point on Row people seem to be completely missing.It would presumptuous of me to disagree with you because I'm not that well versed. But, my understanding is that the commerce clause allows congress to pass laws that supersede state laws under certain circumstances. So the commerce clause would allow congress to pass a law legalizing abortion. But congress has passed not such law. The ability of congress to impose nation wide laws has been greatly increased over time. I'm certain they can find a way to pass a law that would guarantee access to … | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 12:55 AM |
| 21 | "Argument training against Anti-feminsim" Feminist event supported by tax money. looks lovely, right ?#5 Accuse him of having a fragile male ego if he dares to speak up about injustices against men. #6 Accuse her of having internalized misogyny and/or being a pickme if she dares to speak up about injustices against men. #7 Explain that misandrists don't represent feminism. And that real feminism seeks to eliminate all suffering caused by the way people treat genders. Also, continue to support prominent misandrist organizations, individuals and ideology. #8 Wait, you mean you haven't done a 4 yea… | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 11:27 PM |
| 21 | "Argument training against Anti-feminsim" Feminist event supported by tax money. looks lovely, right ?I see you your "Argument training against Anti-feminism" and I present to you an argument against feminism: this picture glorifying violence by women against men. | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 10:56 PM |
| 1 | Circumcised men after hearing women lost bodily autonomy last weekI'm in favor of equal rights and compassion. I'm against division, hate and contempt. I'm not a mind reader there is no reason why it would be obvious that you were referring to feminists and not women. OP mentioned women and didn't mention feminists. But if "they" is feminists, then your post makes even less sense. So, because "feminists" never cared about men, "feminists" now think men should step in and care about women's rights. And somehow you think that's justification for not caring about… | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 10:30 PM |
| 13 | In the end the most effective thing we can do is vote Republican?Republican governor Ron Desantis vetoed a bill that would have helped men's rights in the area of alimony reform. This has bipartisan support. Republicans opposed equal responsibility from men and women towards the defense of the country. This has strong support from democrats. Republicans don't care at all about the homeless. Feminism has been making a lot of progress in getting democrats to only care about homeless women, but it's still the democrats that care more about the homeless. Basicall… | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 03:17 PM |
| 9 | Circumcised men after hearing women lost bodily autonomy last weekThey? Who is they? Women? Tons of men are pro MGM. Most doctors that perform circumcision are men. Don't create division and tribalism where there doesn't need to be one. Divide and Conquer is what the conquerors call it. The conquered call it "they never cared about us, idk why we should care about them". | /r/MensRights | 29/06/22 03:41 AM |
| 1 | the typical feminist rebuttal 😒I've been around for quite a long time as well. In terms of equal gender rights for men, I feel like the overtone window has shifted massively in our favor in the last few years. We're doing well. I'm a bit worried about what happens afterwards. The oligarchs will want to find a new way to keep people under control after all. | /r/MensRights | 28/06/22 05:35 AM |
| 25 | "Educate your son."I think that people who respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter" usually fail to understand how little the system seems to respect black men's lives. But similarly, people who respond to "All Lives Matter" with "You're racist" usually fail to understand how little the system seems to respect poor white people's lives. "Educate your son" so blatantly comes from a place of contempt: men are evil, teach them that their evil man ways are bad and to not be so evil anymore. It's in line… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/22 12:17 AM |
| 2 | the typical feminist rebuttal 😒There are lots of ex-feminists among MRAs. Whether someone as far gone as that poster ever manages to reform is a bit of an open question. But I'm an optimist and I believe in humanity. | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 11:53 PM |
| 1 | Why can women ruin our lives and nobody even questions it?You're not the first guy this has happened to. I've seen a few guys posting similar stories. I give them all this similar advice. I hope it's good advice I don't really know. Everyone's situation is unique after all. But yeah, that sucks. Good people ARE out there. They are more difficult to find, I think. If these are people that you can afford to cut out of your life, you may be better off without them. If they're not people you're willing or able to let go of, then you need to fight. Fighting… | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 10:20 PM |
| 3 | the typical feminist rebuttal 😒The person you replied to went on to screenshot gp's comment and post it on /r/NotHowGirlsWork. I think they're a bit new to this whole misandry thing and they haven't figured out that misandry only really works inside echo chambers. I think they haven't even figured out that it's misandry yet. It will take them a few months before they're forced to decide between giving up on misandry or going full delusional like the vast majority of the commenters on that subreddit. | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 09:55 PM |
| 2 | Why can women ruin our lives and nobody even questions it?He broke it off with her. He understand his role in this. But when something bad happen, there's usually more than 100% of blame to allocate. He's like 40-60% responsible for his situation. But the girls that totally used him and disrespected him is 80-100% responsible. What's more, in terms of moral/ethical harm, he only harmed himself, she harmed him. She should be condemn, and he's questioning why no one seems to be condemning her and they're condemning him instead. And then you show up doing… | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 04:31 PM |
| 5 | Why can women ruin our lives and nobody even questions it?I'm going to just disagree with the hive mind here. It's not universal. Modern life works in cultural bubbles. The cultural bubble you placed yourself in doesn't respect men. The people who do respect men saw who you were associating with and how you didn't respect yourself and decided to not bring you into their life. So you were left with the simps and the misandrists. You need to intentionally look for men who show indications of having self respect and not always taking the woman's side of t… | /r/MensRights | 27/06/22 04:27 PM |
| 5 | Difference between r/MensLib and r/MensRightsYep, they use the motte-and-bailey. The apex fallacy too. Like TitanicPat says, they use straight up nonsense that sounds smart as well, this is called sophistry. But that's not all. This is just looking at the men as oppressors, women as oppressed ideology. But they don't just have the one ideology, they have a whole pipeline of ideologies that victims can follow along. The way it works is that you're supposed to get indoctrinated into the next ideology before you find out that the previous one… | /r/MensRights | 24/06/22 04:54 PM |
| 49 | Difference between r/MensLib and r/MensRights"the patriarchy" is a very divisive term with so many different interpretations it's pointless to use it unless you're just trying to make men look back for the sake of making men look bad. Better terminology could be "gender norms", "sexist gender norms", "oppressive gender norms" Men's issues CANNOT be caused by the "patriarchy" because by some definitions the patriarchy is an oppressive system that explicitly elevates all men as a privileged class over all women. MensRights does not blame fem… | /r/MensRights | 24/06/22 02:04 AM |
| 11 | ''Men are ruggedly individualistic, women are socially-minded'', what is your take on this talking point from feminists and using it as some sort of cop out and shift the blame back on men for their lack of social advoacy?Yep, what you see seems sensible to me. If men aren't inclined to do social advocacy, then it's only sensible to expect egalitarian minded women to put extra effort into doing social advocacy for men, not just for women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/22 06:29 AM |
| 18 | Being a left-wing male advocate is a special kind of hellI'm going to partially disagree with AvoidPinkHairHippos. The Right wants to preserve traditional power hierarchies and tells its constituents that these power hierarchies are good for them and society. Leftwing political establishments want to preserve traditional power hierarchies but its constituents are inclined to want to eliminate them. So they call in feminism to create a massive shit show and distract people from the no progress being made. Hillary didn't get elected? It's not because sh… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/22 04:33 PM |
| 5 | Does anyone else on this sub feel completely alienated from traditional gender roles? (rant/personal confession).Ages ago, I also didn't used to consider myself very masculine. Until I realized that I wanted girls to like me for my masculinity. It's a bit of a detour, I guess. I don't want to be masculine for its own sake, I want to be masculine because I want girls to be attracted to my masculinity. There are girls out there (not many) who are attracted to feminine or gender queer guys. But I don't want those girls, I want girls who are attracted to masculine guys but not hypermasculine ones. Maybe you ju… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/22 04:22 PM |
| 1 | This sub is the most level headed group of people among a reddit full of batshit crazy subsWalter White was always trying to get the advantage in every situation. While he had ups and down. On the sum of it he would get the last word. Especially on those who disrespected him. With one exception: Skyler. Skyler regularly disrespected him in ways that Walter White would not tolerate from anyone else. He did not respond to that disrespect with the same ardor that he would anyone else. And he would generally come out on the losing end of altercations with Skyler. People didn't like Skyler… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 01:02 AM |
| 38 | Gender experts finally admit the obvious: "toxic masculinity" is harmful languageYep you nailed it. "Aspirational Masculinity" really is nothing more than "Toxic Masculinity" rebranded. But honestly this is a huge win for men's rights. We can't let them backtrack to "Toxic Masculinity". Anyone still trying to use that term needs to be named and shamed and asked to switch terminology. At the same time we can begin to re-appropriate the term. Many people think that Aspirational Masculinity is about <blahblah whatever the misandrist feminists du jour say it is>. But it's really… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/22 09:08 PM |
| 137 | Gender experts finally admit the obvious: "toxic masculinity" is harmful languageIt is outstanding progress. I'll still note double standards: For her girls she wants: Calling one's daughter a "feminist" allows for change and progress without limiting girls or criticizing femininity. But for her boys she wants: What I needed was vocabulary that includes all the ways being a boy can be positive and dynamic while also helping them think critically about masculinity. I needed criticism wrapped in hope -- hope in their capacity to grow and thrive, and hope that they can be part … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/22 08:25 PM |
| 2 | MRAs, LWMAs and strategyI'm just going to parrot what a-man-from-earth said. I do say the same thing about feminism. Feminists are not actually progressive and they're not actually left wing. Also there's a bit of a difference between supporting hierarchies and being authoritarian. It might seem like a bit of a pointless distinction. But there seems to be quite a few people who manage to be both radical left and radical authoritarian at the same time. The book 1984 by George Orwell exemplifies this very well. That book… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/22 11:16 AM |
| 1 | MRAs, LWMAs and strategySearch Engine Optimisation. Basically, constructing your website and web pages in such a way that search engines (Google especially) will rank your web page near the top for specific search terms. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/22 01:34 AM |
| 9 | MRAs, LWMAs and strategyHe uses a whole lot of sophistry to advocate for Christianity and in favor of Hierarchical systems. His roundabout argument in favor of Christianity is that while the myth of Christianity was created at time when science couldn't help them understand their errors, in terms of advocacy for social behavior, today's Christianity contains hundreds of years of social wisdom. So we shouldn't be throwing away that wisdom just because we don't understand it or because it is associated with things that w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/22 12:06 AM |
| 7 | Black American men have been MRA’s slaveryI seem to agree with many of the statements you've made. But I don't understand the point you're trying to make. I recommend you make a complete description of the point you're trying to make rather than just allude to it via evidence of the point. The closest to a description of the point you're making is "Black American men have been MRA's slavery" But I really don't know what that's supposed to mean. It feel like it's missing a few words or even a few sentences. You might also want to check o… | /r/MensRights | 08/06/22 12:38 AM |
| 6 | It’s time to sue universities.I think that our ability to enact change through bureaucracy has been underrated among MRAs. It can be difficult because very few people are getting paid to be an MRA whereas many feminists are essentially getting paid to be feminists. So, MRAs tend to have to have a side job. And many employers don't view MRAs favorably (but I'm hoping that this is changing and that the Depp trial is accelerating the change). But my point was, it's important to understand the different aspects of modern power. … | /r/MensRights | 05/06/22 03:39 PM |
| 36 | It’s time to sue universities.Check out this subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MRA_TitleIX This guy and others like him have been doing exactly that and they've been making some progress. | /r/MensRights | 05/06/22 12:15 PM |
| 14 | Feminist alternative reality on Depp vs Heard trialDude, you're reaching really hard to get at a preconceived conclusion that I don't think fits reality. This is not an example of the typical random person's take on things. This is f'ing Anita Sarkeesian. She's basically the poster child of baseless accusations against men as a group. What's more, if you look at her tweet right now, it stands at 320 likes. Which means she's become completely irrelevant. She also sits at 913 replies. This is called getting ratio'd. In short, nobody likes her. Eve… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/06/22 03:29 PM |
| 25 | I actually cried twice after Depp's court win. For two different reason.But look at the numbers. Millions of people liked Johnny Depps tweet and only a few tens of thousands liked Amber's tweet. You're buying into a false narrative that the media is presenting that people actually believe that nonsense. They don't. What the Johnny Depp trial has shown isn't that men can be victims of domestic violence as well. It's not that domestic violence isn't a gendered phenomenon rooted in the patriarchy. Both of these things are true. But what the Johnny Depp trial has shown … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/06/22 11:34 AM |
| 29 | Let today be the END of "Believe all women"-a sexist TOXIC rejection of mens legal rights, & right to a fair trial Women used it to ruin COUNTLESS men with fake claims & fake tears. Lets end feminists male witchhunts, & end shaming men as "toxic" for simply EXISTING. The tide is TURNING!That's not enough. We need today to be the beginning of the end for the Duluth Model of domestic violence. And the reversal of the Istanbul Convention in Europe. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/22 09:26 PM |
| 50 | Depp-Heard verdict live: Johnny Depp wins defamation case against Amber HeardMy guess is that this is not going to work anymore. She was the abuser and she was using feminist rhetoric and misandrist culture to further her abuse against Depp. The mainstream media had been presenting a false culture war between the unhinged misandrists and the unhinged tradcons. With generally the misandrists having much more refined rhetoric than the tradcons as well as far better institutional support, especially in academia but among the mainstream media as well. For a while a lot of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/22 07:59 PM |
| 10 | Being a white male isn’t automatically playing life on easy mode per seI fundamentally disagree with looking at how "easy" someone has it from an intersectional perspective. Life and the human experience are far too complicated. We will never understand the full array of axes of intersectionality and even less understand the complicated way in which they intersect. Actually, I just realized something. I typically interpret intersectionality as being intersectionality of identity. Not intersectionality of oppression/privilege. My complexity argument applies to bot… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/22 12:16 AM |
| 17 | What was GamerGate all about?So much nonsense. This is so incredibly incorrect. Gamer Gate started with Zoe Quinn because her ex wrote a manifesto detailing how unethical, shitty and slutty she was, which led to people find out that the shitty game she made that got a really good review was reviewed by one of the guys that she slept with. Then shit it the fan. Anita Sarkeesian happened before. She made videos and commentary essentially accusing all gamers and the entire gaming industry of being misogynists. She came to this… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/22 11:27 PM |
| 13 | What was GamerGate all about?This article looks like a pretty good description. https://medium.com/arc-digital/almost-everything-you-know-about-gamergate-is-wrong-c4a50a3515fb Note, I just reread my post 1 hour later: this may be the most shit post shitpost I've ever shitposted. I apologize to anyone that has had the misfortune of reading it. Why is it getting upvoted. I'll come back to it in the next couple of days are re-say the same stuff but more coherently. Here's my interpretation (not entirely unbiased and even conta… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/22 11:12 PM |
| 6 | I'm going to a police station to ask how aligation of rape our handled.He's been around for a long time. And believe it or not, he used to be much worse. He's making a lot of progress and it might take another year or so, but he looks on track towards being much better than average. Just be patient :P | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/05/22 08:23 AM |
| 1 | My batshit insane ex’s document on “why feminism is good” (sorry for the flair didn’t know which one fit this)Ok, I haven't been in this subreddit often. I consider myself to be quite the hardcore anti-feminist MRA. But what is this nonsense? Point #1 is just pointless arguing about using different words to describe exactly the same thing. "being a hoe" is the vocabulary used by men who which to exclude women who behave in this way from their dating pool. "take back your sexuality" is the vocabulary used by people who wish that men wouldn't exclude women who act this way from their dating pool. IMO peop… | /r/AntiFeminists | 28/05/22 08:57 PM |
| 9 | Radical feminists are mentally illSystemic oppression of women by men is one of the steps for what I call the misandrist ideological pipeline. I believe that the core supporters for the idea of systemic oppression comes from people who have completely accepted and internalized the idea that masculinity is toxic. Systemic oppression itself does not manifest in reality. But it is easily believed by those who are exposed to misogyny in their daily lives or who receive a ton of anecdotal evidence of misogyny in their media. So, misa… | /r/MensRights | 28/05/22 08:21 PM |
| 1 | Ghosting and sacrificeOk, you're absolutely right for a committed relationship. I was thinking more about before a committed relationship has formed. If it's only been 2-4 dates, I don't think an explanation is owed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/22 11:10 AM |
| 4 | Im starting to give up on datingI'm an older guy. Was "Blue Pilled" when I was your age, eventually learned about the "Red Pill", but didn't like it. I still use some of the concepts there. I'm actually surprised to see you mention women telling you that what matters most is socio-economic status and social hierarchy. It looks "Red Pill" theory has gone completely mainstream. You do need to be careful with this. Because back in my day, "Red Pill" theory wasn't widely known. Which means that women who were looking for these kin… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 11:06 AM |
| 10 | Ghosting and sacrificeI should not feel bad about it because I should be aware that other women feel safer doing it This is just insanity. You should focus on your own well being first. I understand why women do not want to reject, they are afraid of men's reactions, both verbal and physical I sincerely doubt that this is the majority reason . Have you been spending too much time on r/ menslib or around people with similar philosophy. I'm convinced that this is terrible for your mental health. People ghost because … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/22 10:37 AM |
| 7 | My Basic Premises of Men’s RightsThat looks like an example of someone doing the same thing you're doing. Saying that both men and women's rights aren't mutually exclusive. There's a lot of attack against feminism. But that's not the same as women's rights. There's regularly people who confuse feminism and women's rights and ask that MRAs be less hostile to women's issues when they see MRAs attacking feminism. But where's your example of MRAs actually treating Women's Rights and Men's Rights as mutually exclusive? | /r/MensRights | 11/05/22 02:13 AM |
| 1 | “YeS aLl MeN”I'm not saying that women being allowed to be scared of men is vilifying men. I'm saying that is used as justification for vilifying men. You have people comparing men to guns, to poisoned M&Ms and implying that women being scared of men is the same thing as men being dangerous. You have people advocating for curfews on men. Restricting men from access to "women only" safe spaces (women only train carriages, women only gym hours). Etc... THAT is vilifying men. And the fact that you can't seem to… | /r/MensRights | 06/05/22 02:04 PM |
| 3 | Men supporting abortion rights by sharing their stories… and still getting shamedYep, it's not easy to do. But I'm learning how to do this when speaking to feminists. Many are irredeemable, but I think most really do want to care they just don't know how or they've been taught the wrong way of doing it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/22 02:06 PM |
| 7 | “YeS aLl MeN”Of course, anyone is entitled to be scared of whoever or whatever they want to, for any reason or no reason. You claiming that I'm saying "women don't have the right to be scared of a guy sexually harassing her" is what's absurd. The other thing that's absurd, is that a woman getting scared of something that's not dangerous is being used as justification to vilify all men. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/22 05:08 PM |
| 10 | “YeS aLl MeN”Everyone is taught to cover up from a young age, because it's the cultural norm. Men's sexual urges are not "unhinged" Men can and do control their sexual urges all the time. There are norms around how sexually provocative a woman should dress based the context. Because while men can and do control their sexual urges, it is an effort to do so, and having women intentionally dress in a sexually provocative way is disrespectful towards the men who are trying to work. Some parents teach all sorts o… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/22 03:43 PM |
| 1 | Top Twitter Lawyer likely the source of institutional misandryAnyone have first hand videos that shows her biases? The article is very low on details. I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Cp9gC9MjU She seems overall very reasonable and unbiased. The guy in that interview mentions how they've tried to be more clear and holistic in their approach. And a central part to that is having a human understandable policy. Twitter policies can be found here: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies Of note is the following subsection on hate speech… | /r/MensRights | 27/04/22 03:21 PM |
| 1 | Jada Pinkett-Smith and Amber Heard Make Me Question: Why Is No One Talking About 'Toxic Femininity'?The empathy gap combined with feminist academia. Basically, a lot of smart people have been working full time on coming up with different ways to vilify men and to make such vilification appear politically correct. The empathy gap helps there as well. In the past couple of decades, knowledge about "toxic femininity" was propagated with statements like "women are irrational", "women are crazy", "women are liars", "women are dumb/incompetent". Meanwhile feminism was building accusations of male pr… | /r/MensRights | 25/04/22 12:34 PM |
| 2 | male domestic violence responseThey/re all talking a bunch of nonsense. They are talking about a situation where some countries have different legal sections for forced penetration without the consent of the penetrated and one with being forced to penetrate. Latest I heard, in some countries the penalties are the same, in others the penalties are different. Some countries use the word "rape" in their rape laws, some don't use the word at all. And absolutely NONE of that has any relation to a fund called the "Male Rape Fund". … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/22 11:49 AM |
| 3 | U of Waterloo effectively rules out straight males in tangled 'woke' ad for science professorThis is a fundamentally broken section. In practice, any group, no matter how privileged can be shown to be disadvantaged in some way. This complete voids "Subsection (1)" which is the entirety of the protection from discrimination under the law from the charter of rights. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/22 03:32 AM |
| 2 | SolipsismThat sort of fits my personal experience. Women being more concerned with the self, but also other people's selves (so, not solipsistic). While men are more concerned with the outside world (which may include other people's behavior but is less focused on other people's feelings). | /r/MensRights | 24/04/22 08:44 AM |
| 8 | Can I take my ex-girlfriend to court for hitting me?I don't know how to answer you without making a whole lot of assumptions. I am going to say that it sucks this happened to you. Especially the bit about your parents taking her side of things. Personally, I think it's good that you recognize that you should have stood up for yourself. But it's also OK for you to forgive yourself for that now. You don't HAVE to go full retaliation to make up for it now. It's ultimately your decision how much energy you want to put into addressing this one event i… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/22 10:56 AM |
| 1 | Solipsismsolipsism sŏl′ĭp-sĭz″əm, sō′lĭp- noun The theory that the self is the only thing that can be known and verified. The view that the self is the only reality. The belief or proposition that the person entertaining it alone exists, and that other people exist only as ideas in his mind. I don't see anything wrong with #1. Unless you're talking in very philosophical term, you'd have to have sub 50 IQ to believe #2. Same with #3. So, no, women do not have "Solipsism". I'm open to the possibility that,… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/22 11:42 AM |
| 1 | Not welcome anywhere... unless I'm workingIn my life, when it comes to strangers and random places it's very hit and miss and more miss than hit. Honestly, I think being welcomed in new places, by strangers or even by friends comes down to social skills. And they're probably not the same kind of social skills you need for doing business. So this is a bit a shot in the dark, and I hope I don't come off as patronizing but, social skills can be deceptively very difficult to learn, it's a huge investment and some people learn it better than… | /r/MenSupportMen | 16/04/22 04:51 PM |
| 15 | Am I the only one to note the uptick in feminist infiltrators as of late?I have some weak circumstantial evidence that seems to suggest that there's more misandrists who are slowly starting to realize that they are on the "wrong" side, so they come on forums like this, but what they find is so alien to their own views that they end up being combative. At least, that's my extremely generous interpretation. | /r/MensRights | 16/04/22 12:20 PM |
| 36 | r/bropillIt seems a bit of a mixed bag. What would be more telling is knowing what kind of comments get deleted by moderators. I've seen posts where the majority of upvoted comments are minimizing someone's experience when they were talking about the double standards they see in the way men and women are treated. But searching through, there was a post about how some women are mean to short men, and someone said that these women should just be left alone because of the misogyny they face. That comment go… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/04/22 04:51 PM |
| 1 | Feminists on height....First, I don't agree that it's fair to generalize feminists based on one unhinged person's perspective. Even among misandrist feminist, they have very different ways of hating on men, and many, if not most of them, won't be using "lol u short" as a shaming tactic. What's cringy here is the generalization and the weird reprojection. There's nothing wrong with saying: I prefer tall men. There's nothing wrong with saying that most women prefer taller men. It's just the truth. As long as you use a… | /r/MensRights | 15/04/22 10:09 AM |
| 2 | Katie Foster allegedly murdered man who propositioned her, cops sayI don't know the full story but based on the article, I don't see why this is on here. The guy propositioned her. She ran away with another guy in his car. The first guy CHASED after them with his car. (Incredibly dangerous) When he caught up with them, he started physically fighting with the second guy. She then went into the first guy's car and used it as a weapon against him. The best facts we have available today say that she used the least lethal means available to her to disengage from a… | /r/MensRights | 15/04/22 09:19 AM |
| 7 | The most upvoted Ukraine related post on r/menslib is about......female refugees being trafficked?That's an amazing quote. | /r/MensRights | 13/04/22 01:06 PM |
| 14 | The most upvoted Ukraine related post on r/menslib is about......female refugees being trafficked?MensLib has always been about controlled opposition. As misandrist ideology is starting to lose ground, MensLib has no choice but to shift a little bit further away from misandry in order to maintain their position as controlled opposition. The positions the mods held 4 years ago would probably be untenable today. I wonder if it might not be too long until MensLib is forced away from misandry so much that they actually become an on ramp to proper men's rights advocacy rather than controlled oppo… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/22 12:29 PM |
| 17 | Some of you seem to think there's no space for men's issues on the left, so I thought I might shareShoutout to /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates Men's rights is inherently a progressive, left wing effort. The fact that those in politics who claim to be on the left are anti-egalitarian and regressive when it comes men's rights, doesn't change the fact that equal rights for men is left wing. | /r/MensRights | 13/04/22 07:30 AM |
| 4 | Why is this subreddit under so much hate?About the edit, it's so annoying how common this is. People coming to MRA spaces then criticizing us for criticizing feminism on the grounds that doing so makes us look like feminism (because we criticize feminism for vilifying men). But THEY are here questioning us because overwhelming unfounded criticism of MRA spaces from feminists. It's so much nonsense. And it feels like ultimately it's spineless because they can sense that feminism has narrative control in the mainstream so they just cave … | /r/MensRights | 13/04/22 07:18 AM |
| 1 | Anybody else here scared by how widespread the "believe all women" thought process is?Because there is more social pushback today. That's the impression I get. | /r/MensRights | 13/04/22 07:11 AM |
| 37 | Anybody else here scared by how widespread the "believe all women" thought process is?I thought believe all women was on a down trend for the last 3-5 years. Am I wrong? During the Trump years, Title IX excesses have been substantially reduced. And it's seems clear that Biden won't be able to bring it back to the insane levels of the Obama era. It's really hard to know about these trends because there are a lot of echo chambers and micro culture bubbles so it can be difficult to tell what's going on for other people and even more difficult to determine general trends from anecdot… | /r/MensRights | 12/04/22 04:27 PM |
| 4 | Why I Am Not a Feminist (or, how feminism causes much of boys and men problems, rather than a "patriarchy", the mentioning of which being an appeal to a conspiracy theory, and a pattern of an abusive relationship, between feminism and men - feminists abusing men, then blaming them for the suffering)Yep, this is what I call step two of the misandrist ideological pipeline. If you get into debates with more serious/academic feminists, you'll find that they no longer claim to hold these views. They still believe in patriarchy, some are trying to claim the definition is even still the same but their interpretation of that definition is completely divorced from what the words are saying. Others start to present alternative definitions. I'm not really sure what they're saying about privilege, but… | /r/MensRights | 12/04/22 12:08 PM |
| 4 | Men and women face serious gendered issues and both deserve focusHonestly, I feel like the next step is to start building up a WRA community that addresses women's issues from a true egalitarian perspective that doesn't demonize men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/04/22 08:11 PM |
| -1 | Men and women face serious gendered issues and both deserve focusYou're mischaracterizing or misunderstanding what OP said. "men" are not predators, this is an absurd and despicable generalization and the OP did not make that generalization. However, many teenage girls do get "attention" from male (and female) predators and many of these teenage girls do not have the social and/or emotional maturity to deal with it effectively even if these "predators" are ultimately relatively harmless. While teenage boys can also face the same situations it happens a lot le… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/04/22 08:09 PM |
| 11 | Do you think misogyny being taken more serious still than misandry has less to do with feminism's impact on industrialized societies and more to do with the physcology of white knighting?That's it. No more internet for me today. I just can't. Everything single thing you've said is just ... I can't. I'll just get banned. I'll just pick one thing. MRA is a descriptor, it is an acronym that stands for men's rights advocate or men's rights activist, it's not at all like feminism. Feminism is a label (regardless of what biased dictionary authors would have you believe). Each word has its own long held meaning, and put together make a clear phrase that describes a kind of activity som… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/22 08:51 AM |
| 13 | Do you think misogyny being taken more serious still than misandry has less to do with feminism's impact on industrialized societies and more to do with the physcology of white knighting?I mostly agree with everything. Feminism isn't the root cause, in a sense, it is the manifestation of inborn attitudes. But the powerful ideologies it has generated and the institutions that promote and continue to evolve these ideologies magnify this effect. I think acting with awareness of these inborn attitudes and to try and combat them as individuals is a good start. But it's not nearly enough. We're going to need large scale, overt institutional support. I believe that the way to get that … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/22 07:28 AM |
| 11 | Let's talk about white privilegeI tend to agree about how feminism overall don't care about black men. But they do use minorities in general to help increase support for women (aka, lumping in women as recipients for aid and assistance that they've establish minorities need). So even if the intent is to only help women, the end result may often just help women and minorities. Leaving only white men without assistance. In theory. But I just don't know what happens in practice. And I think there's a lot of misinformation on the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/22 08:02 AM |
| 23 | Let's talk about white privilegeThe classic complaint is that intersectional feminism argues for assistance for women and minorities without consideration for economic class. Leaving specifically poor white men without any of the assistance they should be entitled to in a fair society. So, in that sense, it is a men's rights issue. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/22 07:15 AM |
| -3 | Let's talk about white privilegeI wrote a big post on this. But the short answer is that this topic is the argument used by racists to convert MRAs to the far right. So it's very controversial. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/22 07:05 AM |
| 17 | Let's talk about white privilegeThis is a very tricky topic for a very simple reason: it is one of the main gateways used by white supremacists to convert people over to racism and to the far right. People who follow down that path often end up dehumanizing blacks, other people of color and immigrants. And to be clear, dehumanizing ultimately means that you just don't care at all about whether the people who were dehumanized live or die, starve to death, get tortured etc... In short, this is a dangerous topic and because of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/22 06:59 AM |
| 16 | Indian Man who claimed he accidentally kissed a woman in Mumbai Train jailed for 1 year.So if a woman sat next to you in a train and kissed you on the cheek, she should go to jail for a whole year? This is some next level bullshit. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/22 06:34 PM |
| 6 | How do we live with it all?Things have changed a lot in the last 15 years, so maybe what I've learned isn't as applicable anymore. I would say that my biggest mistake was not taking a little more risks and getting more experience when I was younger. Basically, if for some reason, you can't make it work romantically when you're young, you want to be in a position to hit the ground running in your prime years. Which probably start around 30-32 years old. Trust comes from understanding. The better you understand women and th… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/22 07:22 AM |
| 3 | "Male privilege" and "toxic masculinity" were identified as perpetuating negative stereotypes about men in a recent psychology textbook published by SpringerI gave up before I even got started. That was years ago though, I'm not sure how the rules have changed since then. One of the rules was to either use the official definition for important terms or if you are going to use an alternative definition you should explicitly state it in your post. One of the important terms was patriarchy. And it was a very deep rabbit's hole to find the definition of patriarchy. There were multiple posts and discussions on the topic. Basically, feminists who seemed t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/04/22 08:32 AM |
| 1 | Male privilege vs masculinity privilegeJust playing devil's advocate here. I could say: Women require more health funding because of the health costs associated with pregnancy and a more complex and infection prone reproductive system. Difference in health outcomes stem from women taking better care of their own health, which means that to get the same improvement for men as for women requires spending a lot more money, which is not a fair way to attribute funds. Giving girls better grades for the same work is infantilizing them. Thi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/04/22 07:53 AM |
| 17 | Male privilege vs masculinity privilegeI think understand what you're question is about. You're trying to determine if male privilege is really systemic, in that society confers privileges onto men for the sole reason that they are men, or is it that men, being different from women, do things differently which in turn earns them privileges. I'm currently inclined to disagree with both interpretations. The idea that men are systemically privileged is leftwing misandrist propaganda. The idea that men are privileged because they do thin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/22 01:56 PM |
| 20 | Ignorance on men's issuesAket-ten gives a good description of the state of things. But I think the way we go there is also general machoism. Take men in Ukraine for example, if they speak out for men's rights and say that both men and women should be allowed to leave the country, they will get shamed by pretty much everyone. This idea of being strong and stoic and that it's associated with masculinity will make it more difficult for men to advocate for their own rights. And many will even advocate against their own righ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/03/22 12:51 AM |
| 2 | Feminism doesn’t help men and buzzwords won’t help men’s issuesThe point of "misandrist feminist" isn't to counter feminism in the mainstream, it's to counter it in the more pseudo-scientific literature like in more sophisticated opinion pieces, more sophisticated blogs, youtube/twitch debates etc... Also the word "toxic" is a thought killer. It turns things emotional and muddies the understanding of what you're trying to say. And I think it is for that reason that it is something that will and has been readily embraced by misogynists. To me "balance" betwe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/22 11:19 PM |
| 3 | Feminism doesn’t help men and buzzwords won’t help men’s issuesI finished reading. It seems like most annotations have been addressed already. Is there any in particular you still need help with? And I'm very curious what the reception for your article will be. So if/when it gets published, let us know. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/22 01:48 AM |
| 5 | Feminism doesn’t help men and buzzwords won’t help men’s issuesNo I hadn't. I've just read most of it. It's really, really good. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/22 01:35 AM |
| 60 | Feminism doesn’t help men and buzzwords won’t help men’s issuesYou're going to run into problems because feminism works on a multi-tiered rhetorical system. Each level relies on the level underneath for justification. So you'll have people on twitter say "kill all men" and they'll justify their statement from bloggers talking about male privilege and gender oppression. The people talking about male privilege and gender oppression justify themselves with more academically inclined bloggers/pundits/authors talking about patriarchy. The more academically incli… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/22 01:10 AM |
| 11 | How do Men Right's Activists define what a man is?Strangely enough you don't really need to answer this question to do men's rights advocacy from an egalitarian perspective. We fight back against those promoting misandrist ideology. So anything that denigrates men by any definition of man would apply. We fight back against those advocating for misandrists laws, regulations and institutions. Regardless of how those laws, regulations or institutions determine gender. When a corporation (such as gilette) promotes the misandrist slogan of "toxic ma… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/22 02:05 AM |
| 8 | Will Smith and Performative ViolenceI'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. White knighting and simping are behaviors that tend to glorify women and denigrate men. But they don't necessarily have to denigrate men nor do they necessarily glorify women as a class. In their worst incarnations it leads to the will smith incident where a man becomes violent against another man to protect a woman's honor. I consider it to be misandry to generalize that kind of violence to masculinity or all men. I think I might even consider it misan… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/03/22 01:48 AM |
| 7 | Will Smith and Performative Violencea complete and total revocation of our thinking of masculinity has to follow with it. I strongly disagree. I disagree that this is inherently masculine. I disagree that revocation of our thinking of masculinity needs to happen. If someone feels more masculine for defending the honor of their partner, then that's their business. So long as they don't resort to physical violence or other illegal means. All that needs to happen is the total condemnation of escalation to physical violence for anythi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/22 07:33 PM |
| 8 | Where is The Movement Most Lacking?Ideology is the most important thing. Men's rights has always lagged far behind women's rights except in places where both were treated like slave and animals (and maybe not even then). This is due to the empathy gap and the general perception of men as being a threat. I think what will help us turn things around is an accurate understanding of how things work and an argument that genuine equality will make things better. But because these things are practically impossible to achieve through sci… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/22 01:17 AM |
| 2 | Most detractors of Feminism seem to push more traditional gender roles. Is this good a good thing or no?It seems to bring up a dilemma in regards to how to best advocate for men: Do we push for more equal treatment, casting aside our biology as best as we can? Or do we acknowledge the gender differences and allow them to be, but regress to more traditional roles, where many of the downsides we speak about for men still exist, but there are more advantages as well. It's a false dichotomy. You can accept that there are biological differences while still advocating for fair treatment. Each person sho… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/22 01:11 AM |
| 4 | I think I have found a path forward that some men are taking. (Continuation of previous post)30 years ago, college used to be super high value. Now that's dropping. But can still be good value. Stick to STEM or Business degrees for best value. If you're in the US, try and find a high quality low cost college, lots of universities are incredibly overpriced. Try and find a college/university with a very good jobs placement program. Businesses know which schools are very good at helping them find the candidates they want. Those schools might not have the highest profile in the mainstream, … | /r/MensRights | 26/03/22 09:28 AM |
| 3 | There literally needs to be a guide that teaches guys how to talk toxic back to women.Recognize your insecurities, whatever they may be. You might be working on them you might be making progress you might be trying but not be making progress, or you may have given up. Whatever the case may be, just have at least the guts to be aware of them. This way no one can take you by surprise by belittling you about them. You're aware. You do not owe a bully a response or a comeback. It's more about attitude than it is about talking back. Being skilled at talking back is just one skill. If … | /r/MensRights | 25/03/22 04:54 AM |
| 1 | For those who want a change of pace, how egalitarian do you feel things should be?Also, we need some inequity in order to make progress for everyone. For example, with any new technology you can't provide it to everyone all at once. You need rich people to take a risk and buy whatever it is at the huge prices it costs for the initial product. Once it is established as a useful technology, the costs come down and more and more people can afford it. You don't have to have it structured as only the rich getting access to early new technologies. You could have lotteries, winners … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/22 12:55 AM |
| 4 | Women asking men why we UNSEND messages AFTER they dont answerMessaging a girl is an expression of romantic/sexual interest and an open invitation for communicating. You unsend the message to rescind the invitation. Seem simple and straightforward to me. | /r/MensRights | 25/03/22 12:24 AM |
| 10 | Why are the mods on the man-hating subs just extremely hypocritical?Reddit's official policy is that hate against men as a class or against white people as a class is allowed, but it is forbidden against any other gender or ethnicity. | /r/MensRights | 24/03/22 11:06 PM |
| 2 | For those who want a change of pace, how egalitarian do you feel things should be?The US has found 45 women with those qualifications and sent them to space. I don't see why they wouldn't have been able to find another 200 fairly easily. And again, the concept of identity representation is a big component to human space travel is why it is justified to favor egalitarian principles over equality of opportunity in this case. I do agree identity representation is not a component of the job of a firefighter and gender quotas there make no sense. I also agree that identity represe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 09:14 PM |
| 2 | why antifeminism is necessary for gender equality.My point was that you don't "simply label yourself a feminist". I believe (weakly, but this belief is growing) that there's a social context here that makes it so that you won't label yourself a feminist unless you're comfortable with misandry. its much easier to get a life-long Baptist to be accepting of gay marriage than to convince them to reject the Bible. I 100% agree with this principle, which is part of why I've begun advocating that we use terms like misandrists or misandrist feminists… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 08:36 PM |
| 2 | For those who want a change of pace, how egalitarian do you feel things should be?Could you give a source for that? I've not found any. That was just conjecture on my part. /u/lightning_palm seems far more informed on the subject than me. He made a post here. He doesn't have any sources either, but you could ask him. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 08:15 PM |
| 5 | For those who want a change of pace, how egalitarian do you feel things should be?I had more in depth explanation for the astronaut thing but deleted it because I felt it made my post too long but now I regret it. There are two things that makes astronauts different from firefighters, police officers, politicians etc... : Representation of humans in space is a large component of why we send humans to space. They are sent up there to represent all of us who wish we could go but can't because it's not feasible. The only requirement here is that they BE someone we can identify w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 08:11 PM |
| 3 | For those who want a change of pace, how egalitarian do you feel things should be?I agree with all of these. Except: Ban all private school and private tutoring, direct a major part of the military budget to education. I don't trust the government to be able to do education well in the long term without private competition. But I approve of the sentiment behind it, I just don't know what the best solution would look like. Maybe just ban spending your own money for schooling and private tutoring, giving everyone an equal subsidy for schooling but also make public schooling ava… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 06:17 PM |
| 2 | For those who want a change of pace, how egalitarian do you feel things should be?"One of the biggest reason they're up there is to represent humanity." Fuck that. We haven't made alien contact. I don't mean represent humans in an official capacity when speaking to aliens. I mean we go to space because we want to be able to say, "Humans are capable of going to space". The humans we choose to send up there says something about us, they represent us. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 06:13 PM |
| 3 | For those who want a change of pace, how egalitarian do you feel things should be?Well, in a true egalitarian world, there wouldn't be national distinction. But a fair ethnical and geographical representation would be nice. In the real world efforts to go to space are nationally funded, so I feel it is sensible for the nations that fund those efforts to strongly favor citizens of their own country as representatives. That said, I do feel it makes sense to favor scientists and engineers and the likes, they're the ones who really make it possible for us to go to space. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 06:11 PM |
| 2 | For those who want a change of pace, how egalitarian do you feel things should be?But astronauts is a special case. There are so few available opening and so many people wanting to do it that it's easy to get qualified candidates. You don't actually have to be the top quantum physicist in the world to go see how things spin in space. Requirements are cranked out to insane levels, not because those are the requirements of the jobs, but because they need to filter out the candidates somehow. Maybe setting a realistic set of requirements for all, and then using a lottery system … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 06:07 PM |
| 14 | why antifeminism is necessary for gender equality.To stretch the analogy: he's also condemning us pointing out where the rock throwing people congregate to plan the rock acquisitions, practice their throwing techniques and schedule their attacks. That said, I'd like to ask what you'd think about using the terms anti-misandry instead of anti-feminist, misandrist instead of feminist and misandrist ideology instead of feminism. I've been trying it on, and it seems to work. There's less knee jerk reaction and it encourages people to think in exactl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 07:53 AM |
| 7 | why antifeminism is necessary for gender equality.The point here is that those who call themselves feminists are actually not that varied. They nearly all, 99.9% (my own guess), accept a world view that promotes misandry. The reason there are so few "true feminists" is that true feminists are excommunicated from the movement. Many feminists will have you believe that the reason there is so much misandry within the ranks of feminism is that the movement contains a large variety of opinions and factions, that the label is self applied and so cann… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 07:23 AM |
| 9 | why antifeminism is necessary for gender equality.I'm going to jump in here. I also don't like how much anti-feminism there is on this sub and I feel like it's getting counter productive but I don't know how to explain it yet. However, I disagree with your take. People do not label themselves as feminists out of nowhere. They label themselves that way from association with other feminists and feminist organisations. These other feminists and feminist organisations are overwhelmingly misandrist in a variety of ways. So, almost universally, to be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 06:58 AM |
| 2 | The different steps of misandrist ideology and the next one to watch out for.Not quite in a place in my life where I'll help out in this way. I'm also not in the US. But I want to say, I do follow what you're doing and it's really impressive and inspiring. More people should be involved in the way you are and I hope that in a couple of years, I'll be one of them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/22 08:16 PM |
| 15 | 30 Ways Women Still Aren't Equal to MenWomen are far more likely to be the victims of human trafficking. (Probably true.) Looking at the links it looks like the usual feminist trick of calling typical prostitution "human trafficking". Remove that and I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of real actual human trafficking is trafficking of men and boys for labor. Women and girls face more chronic hunger. (Could be but sounds like a Feminist fact.) The links given as sources make the same claim but have nothing to actually support th… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/22 11:41 AM |
| 10 | The Myth of Heroic Masculine PurposeTLDR: The video doesn't condemn society for asking men to sacrifice themselves for a "Heroic Masculine Purpose". It condemns men for using their drive for a "Heroic Masculine Purpose" to achieve personal success at the expense of their personal relationships. I try to explain how this video seems to suspiciously fit very well with the steps of misandrist ideology I have described in a different post. There's actually a lot to unpack here but first and foremost, while the video does skirt the s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/22 07:01 AM |
| 3 | Yeah it's about Ukraine againYou seem to know more than I do except that what you're saying is complete nonsense. US 2014 Nazi coup, There are no real Nazis left. The Nazi party has been disbanded. There are still people who self-identify as Nazis. And I'm quite confident that the people who took power in Ukraine in 2014 did not declare themselves nazis. However, I've seen it repeated a few times online that Russia is using "de-nazification" as justification for invading Ukraine. This is so much nonsense. Like you're saying… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/22 08:04 PM |
| 5 | The different steps of misandrist ideology and the next one to watch out for.I think you do make some good points. But I'd like to also point out that you are conflating feminism and women. I have a lot of thoughts on what you've said. I'm not sure where to start. I guess one place to say is that the fact that women DO seem to find a lot of the manly behaviors condemn in step 3 sexually attractive can help stop or reverse step 4 which convinces men to eradicate such behavior. But in a certain way, this is just a very abstract explanation of the blue pill vs red pill deba… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/03/22 10:08 PM |
| 1 | White House announces new initiatives towards 'pay equity'Like racial bias? I mean all biases, but in this context, the empathy gap and gamma bias in particular. But there are other biases, we care about children more than we care about adults. In some circumstances some people will care about animals more than they care about humans. There are all sorts of biases. I feel like these biases are intrinsic to what makes us human. We may disagree with the shape that some of these biases take and seek to change them in ourselves and others. But I don't thin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/22 04:00 AM |
| 6 | The different steps of misandrist ideology and the next one to watch out for.I'm honestly not really sure exactly what I mean when I use the word spirituality. And you're right that I do use it in a special way that might not be that common. I'll try and explain it this way. Someone's personal spirituality is the way that they choose to harmonize the inherent contradictions within themselves and the contradictions between themselves and the real world. The result of this harmonization is something that resembles a coherent understanding of the self and the self's place a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/22 03:56 AM |
| 20 | Mandatory Paternity testingI'm an adult. I can make my own decisions about whether I want to know the genetic makeup of my wife's child. But until it's determined whether your wife's child is actually your child what right do you have over it? The real father should be the one to decide. And you can't tell who the real father is until you do the test. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/22 01:53 AM |
| 6 | The different steps of misandrist ideology and the next one to watch out for.That confirms my suspicion that these steps have existed for a very long time. I still don't know if it's just that I've become aware of each over time over the course of a couple of decades. Or if they each, in turn, became more widely prominent over a few decades. I'm also not 100% convinced that they really happen in that way and in that order, but it makes for a compelling narrative :P | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/22 07:25 PM |
| 13 | The different steps of misandrist ideology and the next one to watch out for.Yep, it seems very similar to Christian calvinism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism#Sin Humans are born guilty of original sin that permeates our entire being and faith in god/Jesus is our salvation. This spiritual misandry seems to work in a similar way except that masculinity is the original sin that we must get rid of. Or something like that. So there's two very important points I think we need to recognize here. This technique has existed for hundreds of years, has seen widespread usa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/22 06:52 PM |
| 1 | The thing about genital mutilation...The shaming I was describing comes from something like tribal initiation ritual. If all the young men who come of age get face tattoos in a tribe. But one young man refuses to do so, he will be shamed by the entire tribe. It's about social conformism and shaming those who do not conform. Which, I'm pretty anti-conformism myself. This kind of social pressure is something that I understand intuitively. The generational trauma you're talking about, is not something I understand intuitively. I'm inc… | /r/MensRights | 17/03/22 09:02 PM |
| 1 | White House announces new initiatives towards 'pay equity'I think that, really, it is a manifestation of the empathy gap and gamma bias. Any system would be made up of people, and those people are subject to these biases. And the result is male disposability and female infantilization. You could come up with a system that is immune to such bias, but then you'd have created a system that acts independently of human nature. Which I doubt is all that desirable. I think our best bet is to better understand the issue and raise awareness of those issues and … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/22 05:20 PM |
| 17 | White House announces new initiatives towards 'pay equity'The problem with equity is the criteria you're using. If you went by purchasing power, "equity" would demand that men be given more money. It's the same problem as with IdPol. They look at gender. But they don't try to apply equity to attractiveness, height, eye color, etc... The whole things is corrupt because it's biased in the application of its principles. It's been predicted long ago by George Orwell with animal farm. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. We wa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/22 05:16 PM |
| 8 | Dr Rick Bradford blog post where he makes some insightful points on why men don't speak up for men/the men's cause &, depressingly, how he believes this will lead to things getting worse. He explains why he believes male power is mainly a myth. "Men are bred to be gynocentric & women expect it"I'm hopeful that the coming generation will fix this mistake. Awareness of this situation was far too scarce when I was young and full of creativity and energy. But the coming generation of men is aware of this and hopefully, enough of them will endeavor to create organisations and systems to reverse the situation. And it's because it is those kinds of men who are the true engine of society that they should be successful. While the rest of society is massive and full of momentum, it lacks the po… | /r/MensRights | 17/03/22 06:59 AM |
| 48 | Dr Rick Bradford blog post where he makes some insightful points on why men don't speak up for men/the men's cause &, depressingly, how he believes this will lead to things getting worse. He explains why he believes male power is mainly a myth. "Men are bred to be gynocentric & women expect it"Except for a very few. And for that very few, their power can only ever be openly used against other men. If they wish to use it against women, they must do so very carefully, very secretly, very sparingly and behind closed door. In public, they must maintain their support for female hegemony (though very rarely pulling individual women up to the very top), which leaves the vast majority of men in the basement. | /r/MensRights | 17/03/22 06:54 AM |
| 6 | The thing about genital mutilation...I'll admit not to know that much on the subject. But it seems to me like "generational trauma" is the least charitable explanation. A more likely and common explanation is just conforming to social normal. It's an extremely powerful force, the level of shaming that is levied against uncircumcised men in some social circles can be very distressful. And fathers want to spare their sons from that social shaming. The justification of the shaming is wrong, but the shaming itself is real. Diagnosing t… | /r/MensRights | 17/03/22 02:00 AM |
| 1 | My hobby: replace mentions of "the patriarchy" with "the devil"At the risk of pissing everyone off in one fell swoop, to me it's the same essential problem as with all radical political activists: Socialists/Communists: We live in a capitalist system. Eliminate capitalism and all our problems are solved. Anarchist: We live under a strong central government system. Eliminate the government and all our problems are solved. Feminist: We live in a society with mostly men in positions of authority. Eliminate men's power and influence and all our problems are s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/22 12:24 AM |
| -4 | Can we stop pretending toxic femininity is not an issue. Or that feminism isn’t making it worse. A white feminist burns her black ex and even tries to kill her children. Setting up blame for him online.What are you on about? Who are you talking to? I'm as anti-feminist as it gets. I'm just not anti-women. Any rhetoric based on the expression "toxic masculinity" is bad because it gives a connotation (that is frequently exploited) that masculinity is toxic/sinful. "toxic femininity" does exactly the same thing and it is equally wrong for us to rely on such terminology. As for "feminist allies", in principle, that men is not allowed a voice in a movement for female rights advocacy is dumb but not… | /r/MensRights | 12/03/22 10:58 PM |
| -16 | Can we stop pretending toxic femininity is not an issue. Or that feminism isn’t making it worse. A white feminist burns her black ex and even tries to kill her children. Setting up blame for him online.Two wrongs don't make a right. This is not "in response" to it because it doesn't try to counter it. It's out a jealousy. You're jealous that they can treat men with contempt and seemingly get away with it when you'd like to be doing the same to women. It isn't right. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/22 05:56 PM |
| 96 | What do you guys think about the gov.uk advert airing at the minute?It's even a little bit worse than that. They're not saying "stop harassing women". They're saying "stop your mates from harassing women". It's just a new way of saying "if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem". Now, I haven't seen the UK ad. But there was a scene in the Gilette Toxic Masculinity ad on just that topic, and to make things worse, the actions weren't clear cut harassment. It was a (admittedly poorly dressed) guy that was getting ready to approach an attra… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/03/22 12:14 AM |
| 3 | I don't understand this subreddit.The latest form of feminism seems to be the menslib type feminism which still treats masculinity as evil but men who shun it and their own ego in favor of being hyperaware of women's issues at the expense o their own are successfully atoning for their masculinity. Of course, it's not presented in this way, but that the end result. In a sense, feminism is becoming a lot like Christianity. With a lot of different denominations. I've even heard of Christians who don't even believe that Jesus had an… | /r/MensRights | 10/03/22 11:33 PM |
| 1 | Why do these types of subreddits attract and create incels and alt righters that ruin the original image the sub wanted to be.Some people don't actually say what's really wrong as a self defense mechanism. This whole "women are whores" thing is something simple that he can cling to. But the real reason may just be a sense of generalized misandry going his way. Which I expect is not uncommon for teenagers. Do you think people in his life regularly make excuses for women behaving unethically such as making pejorative generalizations about men? The fact that you think that misogyny was synonymous with incel suggests to me… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/22 05:42 PM |
| 4 | Fellow Female MRAs, what’s your story?It's reductionist and racist to claim that white women are a certain way. It's not racist to claim that the system treats white women differently because they're white. I don't understand what your accusation is... | /r/MensRights | 07/03/22 04:15 PM |
| 20 | How do you keep hope when there's so much internalized misandry out there?Internalized misandry seems to work a whole lot like Christianity. It is a religion of guilt. I don't understand exactly how it works. I just know that it's extremely effective. You make the person feel intrinsically guilty and at the same time you offer them the salvation for that guilt. That's how the cult of MensLib operates. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/03/22 01:35 PM |
| 16 | How do you keep hope when there's so much internalized misandry out there?Feminism is helping them maximise their profits by diverting attention away from worker's rights and civil rights and towards feminist issues. Feminism is teaching men that they should not seek to improve their social status. General awareness of feminist disingenuous and bigoted ideas and tactics is what's going to take feminism down in the long run. It's been looking like there hasn't been any progress for a long time. Mostly because feminist kept pivoting to more sophisticated and subtle form… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/03/22 01:33 PM |
| 1 | What do I do when I call someone out for stereotyping men and then they say “I didn’t say ALL men”Being sexist against men is not stigmatized in society the way being racist or being sexist against women is. So all the various minor ways of being racist or sexist against women are well known to the social consciousness and condemned. If you're dealing with someone that actually wants to do better, you can explain it to them by comparing whatever they said to racism and combining that with how that makes you feel. If you feel this tactic wouldn't work with that person, then that person is mos… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/22 11:54 AM |
| 2 | The sinking of the Titanic clearly shows that WOMEN (especially white women) always had more rights, not less, than men. Feminism is based on a lie, always was, always will be.https://avoiceformen.com/featured/medieval-life-expectancy-gender-difference-through-history/ That's very interesting. I had looked at life expectancy before but only went as far back as the 17th century. It seems like life expectancy has always been shorter for men than women except in the 17th and 18th century. I'm not sure why. But I think that's a really good metric to indicate who has the greater burden. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/22 11:09 AM |
| 3 | Ah, casual misandry. Just another day for FeministsEvery single one? Like a guy who knows nothing about the gender politics, hears that feminism is about gender equality, and is worried about male suicide rates so decides to call himself a feminist because he don't know any better. That guy is also a violent terrorist? There's all sorts of different feminists who believe different things. And most of them aren't all that bad. They're all extremely problematic for achieving real gender equality, but demonizing them like you do isn't going to help… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/22 10:19 AM |
| 3 | geneva, switzerland. where a woman will enjoy 20 percent discount by going to the theatre etc. just because she's a womanI wonder what would happen if they added child support + alimony to women's income when calculating the wage gap. Add in all the other kinds of wealth transfer and you'll find that women get far more spending money than men. Which is why most advertising caters to women. Which is why all businesses reliant on advertising income cater to women. Which is partly why feminism is so damn powerful. | /r/MensRights | 15/02/22 09:39 AM |
| 2 | Left environmental views, Left healthcare views, Left housing views, Left economic views, Feminist, Pro DEI/Anti-racist, Pro BLM/TLM/support LGBTQIA rights, pro police reform. “Oh, you’re pro free speech, support men’s issues, and are anti-woke/cancel culture? Nazi incel.”Yep, the way equity is applied has a (barely) hidden bias because they chose which criterion to control for and which situations to apply it to and what solution to apply. They're not arguing for equity regardless of attractiveness, height, parental income. They primarily ask for equity on the basis of sex/gender and only in those situations where women are disadvantaged. And the solution is assistance for women (positive reinforcement to get them to equity without any effort on their part) and … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/02/22 09:45 AM |
| 20 | Help me understand the logic behind, "patriarchy is designed by men, for men."?Do they really say that? I think they believe it. I think they let others come to the same conclusion. But they never really say it. And if they did say it, it would only be in a forum where no one is allowed to dispute the claim. So how do they justify this point? They don't. If you go somewhere where they can't censure discussion, you can go all the way to get one of them to clarify their personal interpretation for the word patriarchy (e.g. the patriarchy is a system where the people in autho… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/02/22 03:42 PM |
| 8 | Nobody gives a fuck about me but I don’t care anymoreModern society is more and more turning into something that benefits sociopaths the most. You've recognized that and you're leaning into it. But if you're not an actual proper sociopath, it's going to come back at you. And you're probably not. So I'd say this. Make sure that you make some solid male friends, even if trustworthy women are hard to come by. And better yet, find some trustworthy friends who aren't trying to become sociopaths. And that means you'll have to treat THEM as people you ch… | /r/MensRights | 13/02/22 11:18 AM |
| 17 | Left environmental views, Left healthcare views, Left housing views, Left economic views, Feminist, Pro DEI/Anti-racist, Pro BLM/TLM/support LGBTQIA rights, pro police reform. “Oh, you’re pro free speech, support men’s issues, and are anti-woke/cancel culture? Nazi incel.”Yeah, sorry I didn't want to dispute your main point. I've never experienced this myself, because I don't go in those places online, and I'm pretty non-confrontational offline. But there's been plenty of times where I've stayed silent on MRA topics out of fear that I would be considered an alt-right/nazi/incel. To be fair I haven't put my fears to the test. Hopefully, someday I will. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/02/22 11:08 AM |
| 74 | Left environmental views, Left healthcare views, Left housing views, Left economic views, Feminist, Pro DEI/Anti-racist, Pro BLM/TLM/support LGBTQIA rights, pro police reform. “Oh, you’re pro free speech, support men’s issues, and are anti-woke/cancel culture? Nazi incel.”Honestly, I'm the same on all counts. Except Feminism. I'm pro-choice and pro-women's rights. But I'm anti-Feminist. It doesn't take long hanging out around here to learn why. I'm ambivalent about BLM because BLM itself is schizophrenic. As a popular motto, it is about the general lack of respect for black lives, but especially black men's lives and double especially the police's lack of respect for black men's lives. However, the closer to organized groups and politically influential leadership… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/02/22 09:21 AM |
| 3 | How do you cope better with male loneliness?Oh I thought you were looking for friends at first. Anyone looking for friends after your school years, I strongly recommend meetup.com. If you're a straight guy, 28 or less, looking for romantic companionship. The odds are stacked against you, if for some reason you just don't have charisma/physique/attractiveness to beat the odds, then I recommend go monk mode. Forget about girls for now and just focus on yourself. Two things that are likely to be making things worse for you right now are hope… | /r/MensRights | 13/02/22 07:40 AM |
| 5 | What's the thing with postmodernism?A somewhat better explanation of Critical Theory than wikipedia: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/ The first thing that is clear is that "Critical Theory" is intentionally subjective in that it done with a specific moral objective in mind. In principle, "pure" Critical Theory could try and objectively understand and identify existing power structures as a first step. In practice, this doesn't really seem to be the case. You have Critical X Theory. Where X is already an ideolo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/02/22 01:12 AM |
| 1 | What's the thing with postmodernism?I think you're right that I was in a sense describing something maybe better named "postmodern critical theory". I don't have much time right now, I think I will take the time to look into it more closely. But I suspect that this ideological premise is inherent to even classical critical theory and that even though it intends to challenge ideology or dogma in the absolute, it might just be a flawed methodology that inevitably only replaces one (flawed) ideology with another. After all, it seems … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/22 06:48 PM |
| 9 | What's the thing with postmodernism?Let's talk critical theory for a second here. The definition of Critical Theory you've given seems to me both technically accurate and completely opposite of reality. Which seems insane. So my, limited and naïve understanding of critical theory was this: "The art of analyzing anything to provide support for a predetermined ideological conclusion". So my definition/interpretation seems completely opposite to yours (the official "real" one). But with a little bit of finagling, I can try and explai… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/22 08:31 AM |
| 11 | Crazy double standard at urologistYou're literally giving definitions and examples of double standards. ffs.... | /r/MensRights | 10/02/22 02:14 PM |
| 9 | Crazy double standard at urologistI assume you meant women have sued and won. If that's the case, they shouldn't have won. That's still discrimination against men. Edit: Unless men also have the same rights over their wive's body. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/22 02:12 PM |
| 5 | Found on r/psychology, I thought it might be an interesting readI'm sure he's just flip flopping. He just seems to have a lot of blue pill tendencies. But at the same time he recognizes the plight of men and boys and wants to put a voice to that. But also he want to have a workable political career so he'll backtrack if there's feminist pressure. So his messaging ends up being all over the place over time. But it's a hell of a lot better than what we've seen from the vast majority of politicians. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/22 07:05 PM |
| 31 | The notion that women are vastly more empathetic then men is just very wrongEmpathy is a skill, compassion is a value. If you're empathetic, you can quickly understand other people's feelings. And other people's feelings affect you. So if someone you're with is feeling depressed and your very empathetic but not compassionate, then you'll understand how bad they feel, it will make you feel bad and you'll want them to go away and suffer someplace where you don't have to think about them. If you're compassionated but not empathetic. You may not understand how the depressed… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/22 09:33 AM |
| 24 | Google's war on men and boysYep, can confirm. And when I do the same search with duckduckgo, I get lots of results about misandry. So it's not like they're giving results of misogyny because there's nothing else to return. | /r/MensRights | 07/02/22 07:11 AM |
| 4 | "Teachers’ Bias in Key Stage 2 SATS" (UK). Marks are given separately for "both tests & teacher assessments. The comparison...provides an opportunity to examine teacher bias". "Teacher bias in favour of girls continues to be demonstrated...Bias in favour of girls occurs in all subjects & all years"This is not conclusive because it compares teacher assessment to test results. This same study can be used by feminists to claimed that tests are biased against girls and more research is needed to figure out how to write tests that will help girls score better. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/22 06:14 AM |
| 2 | Hi everyone, I wanted to discuss a problem that we all have in commonI think it's society finding a way to get back to how it's been for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Feminism is a religion. It tells you what's right and what's wrong. If you openly disagree with it, you're a sinner. With ancient religions losing their foothold due to globalization, science and liberalism, feminism comes in to fill in the gap. Things are no where near as bad as what we had at the height of Christianity. But imagine being and atheist in those days. You got to be smart, you g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/22 07:13 AM |
| 32 | Equalities watchdog warns of 'genuine public concern' trans rights are conflicting with the rights of women. OP: It is always about women, no mention of men!The good old TERF ideas. Transmen are gender traitors and transwomen are men trying to appropriate for themselves the privileges reserved to women. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/22 10:38 AM |
| 10 | Why do men fall short with women?This is a loaded question. What makes you think men fall short? Cosmo-level nonsense like the "orgasm gap" isn't evidence. Women initiating divorce is due to lopsided incentives where a divorced woman (usually lower income) becomes entitled to a ton of money from the ex partner, with all the freedom to spend it however they see fit. Men sure don't want to get divorced under those circumstances and women have a powerful incentive to do so. With some of the more sociopathic ones intentionally marr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/01/22 02:50 PM |
| 2 | No offense, but I see too much uneducated criticism of feminism here and I think it would help a lot of you to play devil's advocateYeah that was my impression as well. Better understanding feminism can only help and there is a certain number of people who just don't want to and it's starting to look like bigotry. Feminists are people too. And many of them mean well. And many of them are just a little selfish and self centered, just like the vast majority of human beings. And the ones who mean well deserve as much respect and consideration as anyone else. More and more I try to compare feminism to religion. In terms of reach… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 09:56 PM |
| 2 | No offense, but I see too much uneducated criticism of feminism here and I think it would help a lot of you to play devil's advocateI'm going to make a second reply here. Because despite disagreeing with so much of what you said and your justifications for it. I do agree with the core principle of it. There's a ton of anti-feminism here and it's distracting us from our goal. It's spreading feeling of hatred when we should be spreading feelings of compassion and empathy. That said anti-feminism itself is one of our goals as feminism is an immense world wide force for misandry. So I also agree that it's very important for us t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 06:44 AM |
| 11 | No offense, but I see too much uneducated criticism of feminism here and I think it would help a lot of you to play devil's advocateBut I call bullshit. Who is spending such an outsized amount of effort and energy then advocating for changes to legislation and policy on such a small fraction of actual violence. Considering that the vast majority of criminal violence is against men. It is blatant that the true intent behind end result of this "femicide" propaganda is the vilification of men and then the use of that propaganda as justification for misandrist legislation, policy and government assistance funding. Edit: Change… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 06:00 AM |
| 3 | Covid vaccine: Women-only and quiet sessions to boost uptakeThis seems to be specifically to accommodate Muslim women who have very strict rules of social contact around men. Meanwhile the autism version is likely more targeted towards men as men are much more likely to have autism than women. So, on the surface it seems a little odd. But in the end it looks like it's well intentioned. Also, you can't make someone take the vaccine who doesn't want the vaccine. They're adapting to people who want the vaccine but can't because the arrangement doesn't suit … | /r/MensRights | 24/01/22 09:18 PM |
| 1 | AITA?Just thinking you can handle physical altercations will make you more likely to find yourself in one rather than disengaging. Especially if tired or drunk. I think that choosing to put your energy into learning physical self defense is a perfectly respectable choice and it's a matter of personality. But I still stand by that the safest option is to put your energy into making sure you don't even find yourself in those situations. But doing that is arguably much harder. Especially considering tha… | /r/MensRights | 24/01/22 08:45 PM |
| 3 | AITA?We're not cave men anymore. We don't fight with our fists. We fight with bureaucracy. That's why some of the most powerful people are lawyers, politicians and business men. You want to learn how to fight? Figure out how to do what the other posters have told you. Record the incidents. Be more vocal about what been happening to you. Escalate to higher authorities (principal, school board, police). Figuring out when and where to escalate can be quite difficult. Figuring out how to best present you… | /r/MensRights | 24/01/22 08:03 AM |
| 31 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityExactly. It's not a gendered phenomenon. It's a messy vs tidy personality situation. Arguably, men are more likely to be the messy ones. I don't actually know the statistics. If you've never really cared about doing a thing, even a very simple sounding thing you're likely to mess it up. If you have ADD, you're pretty much guaranteed to fail a task that you're not motivated to perform no matter how simple it is. So there's plenty of legitimate reasons to fail at a simple task. That said, feigning… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/22 07:34 AM |
| 13 | Modern questionA crime perpetrated by one race, white, against another race, black. Races don't commit crimes, individuals commit crimes. What you're saying doesn't make any sense at all. Honestly it looks like you've fallen down some kind of ideological sink hole (kinda looks like critical race theory). As far as I'm concerned it's a whole bunch of intentionally irrational garbage. Exactly the same as critical gender theory and I would equally oppose both for being bigoted. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/22 07:22 AM |
| 2 | I think I got sexually assaulted. I don’t know how to feel.Did you not read his story? At no point did he give any sign of being interested. Maybe you would have liked being in that situation but he didn't. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/22 04:24 AM |
| 5 | In your opinion, what would productive, male-inclusive feminism look like?You seem to be assuming that sexism against women originates from men. That's the first assumption that needs to be thrown out in order to fight against sexism against women without demonizing men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/22 09:50 PM |
| 1 | Feminists judging all men. A dialogue.Feminism is a lot closer to a religion than a cult. A religion is widespread, often integrated with government and centered on an ideology. A cult is localized, relatively smaller, rarely integrated with government and centered on a charismatic leader. I'm too lazy to backup my claims with evidence. You should be able to easily see this in your own life. If you can't then either open your eyes, or GTFO of whatever environment you're in because it's chock full of insane radical feminists, and mos… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/22 06:23 PM |
| 2 | Feminists judging all men. A dialogue.Different feminists have very widely different beliefs about what patriarchy means. Some interpretations are a lot closer to what MRAs believe. A ton of self identified feminists know that women regularly lie about rape. Understanding of the pay gap varies widely across different feminists. Some feminists are more hypocritical than others. IMO those feminists whose professed beliefs are closer to reality are the most misandrist and hypocritical. While those with beliefs that are out of touch wit… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/22 06:35 AM |
| 41 | Feminists judging all men. A dialogue.Judging feminist is an absolute mess. You have all sorts of feminists with all sorts of beliefs. But the word feminism and the desire to identify as a feminist comes from association with people who hold misandric ideological beliefs. Any given feminist might not be entirely misandric and may not believe all the misandric things that feminists believe in. But they'll believe in some of those things and even if their heart is in the right place these beliefs makes them misguided, unduly suspiciou… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/22 02:17 AM |
| 8 | State of FOSS comunity and the ultra pro-feminist stances that became common place.Meritocracy is directly under attack by feminism: https://geekfeminism.fandom.com/wiki/Meritocracy I can't find the source anymore, but I think I saw that some of the foundational ideology behind code of conducts was explicitly and openly anti-meritocracy. More and more in the tech world and in hiring process there is a lot of talk about empathy, and yet, for a field that finds such success in employing people on the autism spectrum there is very little talk of accommodating people who are neuro… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/22 09:34 PM |
| 29 | Co-opting race issues to make it about genderAlso there's tons of sexism against men and the overall effect is much worse on men than on women as can be seen through physical and mental health statistics. And while there is some sexism against men, there is much less institutional racism against white people. Although, I would caution against letting casual racism against white people go unchecked, because if reins of power change hands this casual racism can turn into atrocities incredibly fast (I'm not genuinely worried, just saying, big… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/01/22 10:40 AM |
| 4 | We need to stop misogynistic men too if we actually want men's issues to be solved."I'm advocating for the literal meaning and idea of feminism." In that you are for gender equality. Good. Then the first thing you should do is use a different word for your movement/ideology because by its very name it is discriminatory. Which is what every sensibly thinking human being who truly is for gender equality ends up doing sooner rather than later. The question is, why do you still try to describe your efforts to bring gender equality using a term that is inherently gender discriminat… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/22 02:02 AM |
| -7 | So that's why "mothers are more important for the well-being of a child" - self-declared "psycho" woman in lesbian relationship murders toddlerThis is as clear as mud. What you wrote barely makes sense, the source you reference makes absolutely no sense and the source they reference is no longer accessible. There is a big difference between "single parent" and "one parent acting without involving the other". A distinction that isn't all that clear in your post and that keeps getting interchanged in the source you listed. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/21 09:30 PM |
| 54 | Wife lawyering upAlso in the state I live child support is mandatory even with 50/50 custody. This makes absolutely no sense, but I'm not a lawyer. Get a lawyer! It's possible she'll be the one who has to pay you a lot of money. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/21 09:13 PM |
| 88 | Wife lawyering upWhy are you assuming that you'll pay child support here? Aren't you going to take care of the kids too? Also, if she makes more money than you, you could be owed alimony. Get a lawyer. Even if it's expensive it's cheaper than getting screwed in court. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/21 06:04 PM |
| 2 | This is true equalityWhat is your definition of "toxic masculinity". It often seems to be a subjective "things that I don't want men to do". And people who use it, rarely or even never start talking about "things that I don't want women to do", they would consider such talk to be misogynistic. If there's behavior that you see men engage in that you disapprove of, then talk about that behavior don't label it toxic masculinity. Calling it toxic masculinity gives the impression that the behavior is wrong because the pe… | /r/MensRights | 06/12/21 01:00 PM |
| 19 | Have feminists actually directly killed people like other groups?What kind of insanity is this? You're trying to judge the people in a group by the actions of a rare few individuals who have claimed to belong to that group. It's completely absurd. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/21 12:15 PM |
| 1 | Retraction by the APA of their harmful traditional masculinity guidelinesThe APA's additional statement is a "clarification" in form. But a retraction in function. This is clearly explained in the article that I linked. | /r/MensRights | 30/11/21 09:57 AM |
| 5 | So glad I found this subI think I saw destiny explain that Vaush explicitly believes that lying is justified in the efforts to gain acceptance of his political agenda. I can't find any first hand reference of Vaush saying this. My guess is he didn't explicitly say it in simple terms but defended a argument style that relies on bending the truth. I wish I could find it... But yeah, that seems to be the general direction of radical leftists (and radicals of any political ideology, in fact). They believe so strongly in th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/21 09:45 AM |
| 0 | Retraction by the APA of their harmful traditional masculinity guidelinesSo we’re trying to keep traditional masculinity? My post says nothing to suggest that we should keep traditional masculinity. My post is about the unethical and intellectually dishonest behavior of the APA. Learn to read. But other posts keep talking about how gender roles are ‘more’ harmful to men? Again, completely irrelevant to what's being discussed here. But the topic of how much gender roles may be harmful to men and in what ways is a very important and complex topic that I'm not going t… | /r/MensRights | 30/11/21 09:06 AM |
| 6 | Retraction by the APA of their harmful traditional masculinity guidelinesYou're right, they didn't retract it. They backpedaled. Textbook feminist tactic. Using mote and bailey combined with equivocation. It's crazy how much they do that. They use terminology in a certain context and a certain way where the simplest explanation is obviously a condemnation of much of masculinity and men in general. And then in a rarely seen (and now deleted clarification), they explain that the obvious interpretation of their statement is not the correct one and the reader failed to u… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/21 11:36 PM |
| 7 | Retraction by the APA of their harmful traditional masculinity guidelinesOk I found it. Or should I say, I "found" it. Turns out they just used classic feminist mote and bailey tactic and equivocation. The "retraction" is archived here, where they redefined what what they "really" meant and then claim that us people who thought that their publication actually meant what it said are delusional. This article explains it in detail. | /r/MensRights | 29/11/21 11:24 PM |
| 2 | I am sick and tired of hearing all this male gaze BSYeah, but you're totally allowed to watch a movie primarily for the sexual allure of one of the characters. I'd argue that maybe it shows that your priorities aren't particularly admirable, but it isn't morally wrong. | /r/MensRights | 29/11/21 10:31 PM |
| 5 | Looking for information, articles, anything on MRM and MRA'S, some help please?Searching around I actually just found this. At first glance, it seems to be the most comprehensive and sourced list of men's issues I've come across. If you have a couple of months free, you might be able to read through all of it: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main Here's another list of resources (which includes the previous link): https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cluqkw/lets_make_a_list_of_resources/ In the /r/MensRights FAQ, there is a (disappointingly short… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/21 07:38 PM |
| 4 | There has been a comment here that has been posted to another sub and I think we need to talk about itThat the world has been built on the back, sweat and blood of men is a fact that is more and more left unrecognized and it deserves renewed attention in an environment that so often tries to portray masculinity as toxic. This is an effort by men to regain some heritage, power and pride. I personally am not interested in it in that way, but there are some people who need it to feel self confident. Some people have tried to compare the statement to "KAM". This is absurd. There is a world of differ… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/21 04:08 PM |
| 6 | I think the way women treat me is the way they actually feel about all men but just won't admit.I've completely withdrawn from society for the most part I hope this means that you still have some decent friends. If you don't, I do recommend that you keep trying for that. There are a lot of guys out there who aren't just always looking for where they're gonna get laid next. You can make some good friendships with the right kind of guys. Putting effort, attention and energy into your guy friendships really helps, also working to help make things fun helps too. Organizing things yourself: you… | /r/MensRights | 28/11/21 10:30 PM |
| 15 | Saying a patriarchy exists is no different than saying a nebulous Jewish power exists to dominate Christians. It’s nonsense. And it’s designed to normalize violence against men.Feminism can lead to an inefficient society, but there are plenty of ways for societies to become inefficient. Frankly it seems like a race to the bottom these days as to who can find the most innovative way to make their culture inefficient. That's what you get for having unprecedented stability: inefficient cultural systems persevere. Still better than war, any day. | /r/MensRights | 28/11/21 10:02 PM |
| 9 | Now imagine if you switched every mention of “men” to “women” in this post how people would reactAm I missing something? If I flip the genders, I'd get something like this: A MGTOW leaning MRA talking about browsing subs like TwoX and complaining about all the man hating happening on there and how they treat any slightly less than attractive 20 year old as an incel. Followed by a little bit of negative generalizations about "modern women" It's bad, but there are legitimate gripes in there and the person holding these views is deserving of sympathy and empathy as they are clearly hurting and… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/21 08:26 PM |
| 4 | The worst parts of men's advocacy.Except both of those terms have been subject to feminist retcon and forum radicalization. So any condemnation of people using those terms ends up being an equivocation attack. Incel can mean any man who never or rarely has sex or romantic success but would like to have more. It could even be any man on the autism spectrum making them unable to flirt smoothly with women (even if said man is happily married). But it also means, a man who violently hates women and whose hate is somehow tied into … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/21 11:58 AM |
| 4 | The worst parts of men's advocacy.Here's what I think is our biggest problem right now and what we need to do next. Although this subreddit may not be the forum to do it in. Have a proper foundation for understanding and promoting women's issues. Having spent a bunch of time on feminism uncensored, it has become painfully clear to me that feminists are entirely incapable of properly advocating for women's rights. Which means that there is no where and no one that you can easily find that is properly advocating for women's rights… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/21 10:41 PM |
| 6 | The worst parts of men's advocacy.To me this is the opposite of a left-wing solution. I'll be a bit overly dramatic here, but it is my overall impression of your approach: We can turn to evil and become more powerful. But all we'll end up doing in the end is spreading a different kind of evil than the one we're fighting. I'm not here to win a war. I'm here to help make society nicer and fairer for everyone. But the other side is just trying to win a war at all costs. But when you're on the side of "good" that always going to be … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/21 10:14 PM |
| 32 | The worst parts of men's advocacy.There is a double standard between the way men and women are treated and supported by government. Left wing men's advocates will ask for better treatment and support for men from society and government. Right wing men's advocates will ask for less "coddling" of women by society and government. Feminist have near supremacy in terms of controlling the narrative in most mainstream online media. I think it would be foolish to keep trying to contort ourselves, our behaviors and our beliefs to escape … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/21 10:02 PM |
| 8 | The worst parts of men's advocacy.There is one thing that I believe that we have to be really careful of and it is othering and demonization of women, similarly to how feminists nearly universally do to men. It's a complex topic and there are seemingly legitimate explanations to permit MRAs to do this "demonization of women". And while in practice these rationalizations have never near risen to the level of "KAM". It is on the same slippery slope. To see examples of MRAs doing this in /r/mensrights you can search for the term "m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/21 09:49 PM |
| 2 | What is your best argument/ example you can give to a feminist to show that men do have issues./u/sleepyJoeBidet is right in his three points. But I feel that it doesn't make it entirely pointless. a) For feminists that already do understand (but don't care because they lack empathy for men): Presenting your points will create opposition to the narrative they're trying to promote. This will reduce their reach. b) For feminist that will just go on to blame it on the patriarchy. These people suffer from next level brainwashing. But rationalizing the damage caused upon men by "the patriarc… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/21 06:59 AM |
| 2 | John Cleese begs not to be cancelled.The youtuber strangely makes a point of saying John Cleese incorrectly blames "woke" instead of women. And also points out that its not just feminist. This seems like an absurd take to me. Woke cancel culture contains a ton of men. I do agree that while there is extremely high overlap with feminism they are not the same. And I don't know why it's worthy of a youtube video to lambast someone who's fighting against woke culture. Just because he wasn't fighting against it hard enough in the past. T… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/21 06:43 AM |
| 3 | in 2021, men's right might be more important than women's rightHere's my current understanding of gender rights from the 1800s until today. You might notice some difference with what you understand. In the 1900s and the 1800s men didn't have that much power. The state of global politics and warfare was such that men's lives had to be treated as nearly completely expendable or the nation would get invaded and destroyed. Women were required to stay safe and healthy to raise the next generation. As a result gender norms formed where women would stay home and m… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/21 06:33 AM |
| 0 | A few questions I have about the current state of things...Telling a man in his 20's to not waste his time is important cause of what you pointed out. They will have better success in their 30's if they are together cause they didn't have their life derailed by bailing someone out of student loans/car loans or even phone bills. That's part of what I'm saying. But not everyone is the same, some guys are genetically lucky and will be able to have good success in their twenties. And others may have very low standards so they may also be able to have some s… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/21 03:57 AM |
| 20 | Im tired of thisThis is about setting boundaries. You've essentially been taught not to have boundaries with girls and that they are permitted anything without you being allowed to object. While hitting backs makes for entertaing /r/pussypassdenied videos. It can be actually dangerous to your life prospects. The key is to learn how to set boundaries. I have just posted a top level post on the topic, because quite frankly, I don't think I'm an expert on the subject, but it is so very important, I feel we need mo… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/21 06:54 PM |
| -1 | A few questions I have about the current state of things...With anything you can do everything right and still lose. We nearly never have that degree of control over an outcome. Women tend to go for older men. It's much harder to compete in your 20s than in your 30s. A median guy in his mid thirties can expect to have great success with median women in their mid thirties. If you're in you're a guy in his mid 20s trying to get the attention of women in their mid 20s, you are someone from the bottom 50% trying to get with women in the top 10%. You can sti… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/21 06:22 PM |
| 1 | A few questions I have about the current state of things...Overall. Don't approach women. It makes your life much less complicated. You will attract more interest, when you aren't interested. What the hell kinda useless counterproductive advice is this? Just a few ago someone on /r/Mensrights posted this amazing advice by /u/GarretLeFerret. It's more about general outlook and perspective than practical advice. But it's already much more actionable than what you've posted. If GarretLeFerret's advice isn't enough for you then I'd still recommend looking i… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/21 05:32 PM |
| 2 | Advice for the dating worldWow, that is impressive. Just a whole bunch of gold. Do you mind if I keep a copy and use it as copy pasta in the future? OP seems to also be worried about the dangers of dating women and here's what I recommend to help with that: Make a solid network of male friends based on mutual respect. They'll keep you emotionally grounded and help you see different perspectives. Make sure you know how to set boundaries. Predators (and there are plenty of female predators) will zero in on people who don't … | /r/MensRights | 23/11/21 10:30 AM |
| 13 | Emalied our HR director about International Men's DayIn a way, it's progress. A lot of these organizations follow the path of least resistance. MensLib rhetoric gives them a script they believe they can use that is going to be the least controversial. We're teaching them that this script is actually controversial. Obviously it's going to be a very long time before we're going to see condemnation of misandry. But a more genuine and neutral presentation of men's issues while avoiding any controversial commentary might be what we start seeing next ye… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/21 05:09 AM |
| 22 | Is anyone else getting kind of tired of “men can cry too”?There's a lot of points that I recognize in what you're talking about. First, there is a legitimate men's issues where men who do need to cry or are prone to cry do not seem to receive the same level of social support that women would get in the exact same situation. Second, there is a very similar men's health issues where it seems that some men (and supposedly it happens more with men than with women) refuse to process their emotions because they do not want to appear weak, and this causes the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/21 12:36 PM |
| 2 | Left Wing vs Right Wing MRAYou are talking about something else entirely. It is by design and you're right it's not a "left vs right" thing. It's an "MRAs vs Feminism" thing. You'll find some places and situations where feminists will begrudgingly acknowledge that men are also oppressed due to their gender. And in those places they will reframe the issues to be one of individual failing rather than systemic failing. This way that can avoid harming their narrative that society's problems are caused by men and masculinity. … | /r/MensRights | 19/11/21 12:33 PM |
| 3 | Left Wing vs Right Wing MRAThat's a very very good point. The degree of left-right polarization happening is scary. And we should be careful not to make it worse. | /r/MensRights | 19/11/21 05:08 AM |
| 3 | School told me they would make a presentation about men's issues. Instead they talk almost entirely about women's issues while painting us in a bad light.This is the classic MensLib pipeline. The two men's issues that are really easy to corrupt are men's suicide and men's freedom to express themselves in ways that are commonly seen as feminine or gay. These two topics can be redirected into "toxic masculinity", which is a massive and complex platform that just effortlessly works now. (If you're goal is to vilify and oppress men and masculinity). So you're teacher just executed the gold standard misandrist script for controlled opposition to men's… | /r/MensRights | 18/11/21 11:21 PM |
| 17 | In your experience, how has this sub been difference to the /bluepill sub and their ideologies?My understanding is that red pillers claim that people who are blue pill still suffer from the "women are wonderful effect" and "putting women on a pedestal" and "oneitis". In this sense, this subreddit is mostly not blue pill as we recognize the existence of Gamma Bias and generally believe that it is undesirable. Gamma Bias is more or less the equivalent of the "women are wonder effect" but it's is more explicit in it's definition and has scientific backing to demonstrate its existence. We don… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/21 01:12 PM |
| 10 | Why do we need international men's day? Everyday is international men's day! (Response)"black on black crime" or "it's just men doing it to men" are indeed very similar. But that's not what the pandemisexu4l was saying. He's saying that it doesn't matter if the people in power are men, what matters is what they do. And what they do is to harm men. We need more people that care about men's rights in positions of power. Because we don't have that today. And we don't care what gender those people have, as long as they care about men's rights. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/11/21 03:39 AM |
| 85 | Lighter Question: Has there ever been a pop song in which a male character indicates disinterest in a female because she does not have money?Why Don't you Get A Job by The Offspring https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/offspring/whydontyougetajob.html The story is a guy talking about his friend whose girlfriend just mooches of him. So the guy tells his friend to tell her "I won't pay, nah, nah, why don't you get a job". For the second half of the song, the singer flips the genders (other friend that has the same problem). Just to make sure that everyone understands that this isn't a gender issue, but a human issue. The same courtesy is ne… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/21 12:58 AM |
| 3 | What does everyone think about the subreddit r/blatantmisogyny?All those subreddits get banned. But misandry subreddits are not banned they are propped up. While reddit bans hate speech against women, it explicitly permits hate speech against men: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ovxck3/just_a_reminder_that_the_reddit_admins_allow/ | /r/MensRights | 11/11/21 09:25 PM |
| 5 | John Oliver, King of "x community is disproportionately affected" fails to mention men when talking about homelessnessNever did like him ever since he had his own show. From the start, the guy never cared about the truth. He'd twist facts anecdotes any which way he wants to present the predetermined narrative he wanted to present in the first place. The guy is ethically bankrupt and has been from day 1. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/21 04:34 AM |
| 24 | Hey would you guys mind singing this petition to save international men's dayLol, you think that's bad? In 2013, the UN made November 19th World Toilet day. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/21 07:31 AM |
| 22 | For a subreddit with so many open socialists, I still cannot fucking BELIEVE that MensLib explicitly bans discussion of "paper abortion"Maybe I'll take a look. And I'll agree that even some of the power users may not understand how damaging some of their takes are. But the mods who have been there for years... It's just not credible. They are clearly smart enough to understand, yet they seem no to. And it's because they do understand but they have a different agenda. It's impossible to know these kinds of things for sure, of course and I understand wanting to believe the best of people. But in this case... This goes beyond the c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/21 12:39 AM |
| 36 | For a subreddit with so many open socialists, I still cannot fucking BELIEVE that MensLib explicitly bans discussion of "paper abortion"Even that much is hard to believe. Them being misguided like this for a few months... Sure. But for years, in the face of clear evidence contrary to their beliefs? I don't believe it. They are 100% disingenuous and hypocritical. MensLib is psyops. I have no idea who from and for what purpose. I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist so I'm open to all ideas from just a bunch of twisted sadists who get off on gaslighting vulnerable men to Russian operatives working to destabilize the west. My most reas… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/21 12:20 AM |
| 15 | Is there a link between the rise of feminist literature and popularity and the decline of marxist ideas relating to working class and middle class struggle against the ruling class?I always get paranoid when people try to tie in feminism with Marxism. For one, I don't understand Marxism that well and for another, I've seen right wingers use that argument often and it looks like, "Feminism bad, but Communism worst, but look Feminism equals Communism so double plus ungood!!" This idea of dividing the working class, I usually present it as feminism having appropriated civil rights activism. This is especially evident in feminist support of lgbtq activism. Feminists are notabl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/21 06:03 PM |
| 16 | Is there a link between the rise of feminist literature and popularity and the decline of marxist ideas relating to working class and middle class struggle against the ruling class?How can you not see any link when OP just literally gave you one? Feminism divided the working class which takes attention away from class struggles between the working class and the capitalist class. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/21 04:46 PM |
| 11 | Are women (on average) attracted to selfish men?I wish I could understand the meaning of papers like this better. But oh well. I do have some thoughts that I've very rarely seen anyone else mention: There may be something more intrinsic that women find attractive in "assholes" but I've noticed a couple of things that are more mechanic. Assholes don't have to expend as much effort to socialize and flirt with girls. Caring about only their own experience in the interaction is a whole lot simpler than caring about both. Another secondary advanta… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/10/21 10:50 PM |
| 17 | Gender double standards in NHS coverage of cosmetic surgeryI think you also have to consider total costs here. Women with no breasts or very uneven breasts (depending on their definition) may be extremely rare. Bald men are very common. So it makes sense why it easier to allow for the one, and much more difficult for the other. That said, I've seen people previous post evidence that health coverage spending overall is much higher for women than for men. Considering that men live shorter lives than women and contribute more to funding health care than wo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/21 11:45 PM |
| 31 | how would you fight against the "men should fight and make their own movement"You're also missing, feminism: "Men are benefitting from the patriarchy, so if you're not helping feminists to tear it down, then you're part of the problem." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/21 10:41 AM |
| 1 | What is happening in sociology/gender studies right now? AKA are they hidden allies?Maybe underutilized would have been a better word. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/21 03:07 PM |
| 23 | What is happening in sociology/gender studies right now? AKA are they hidden allies?I don't have the same faith in academia that you do. There is a lot of room for corruption in soft sciences, especially sociology. But I'm hopeful that they are becoming a lot more objective than I used to think they were. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/21 11:49 PM |
| 2 | What is happening in sociology/gender studies right now? AKA are they hidden allies?Depends on your interpretation of the definition of patriarchy. My point is, feminist academia seems to claim that patriarchy oppresses men to the benefit of women. But most feminists don't seem to have gotten the message. You can argue that there is no such thing as the patriarchy, you can complain about the superposition of state of the definition of the patriarchy until you're blue in the face it's not going to barely make a difference. What I'm suggesting is that maybe instead of doing that,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/21 11:37 PM |
| 3 | I don't know why it took this long, but I just realized that a fair amount of the left feels that sexism against men has the same urgency of racism against white peopleIt takes days and it feel like pulling teeth trying to get them to acknowledge that there are multiple interpretations of the definition of the patriarchy. I was a bit surprised to see fgyoysgaxt readily agree to the mote version and condemn the bailey in a single comment. It's usually impossible for me to figure out whether people are arguing in bad faith or they simply don't understand how feminist concepts and ideologies are actually used in the real world in terms of policymaking. Sometimes … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/21 09:16 PM |
| 10 | Turn on the lightDo you have a Patreon yet? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/21 12:49 PM |
| 4 | Just tried to have a conversation on Youtube...Reddit was a place where new ideas were formed and people came here to have a genuine understanding of things. Also it is primarily pseudonymous. Basically, prime target for propaganda of all sorts. The moment a subreddit gains any kind of popularity it is going to start getting a significant percentage of tools (people paid or brainwashed to push an ideology in bad faith) and the quality of discussion will tank. The people who used to put a lot of effort bringing valuable thoughts into the conv… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/09/21 03:15 PM |
| 5 | How I Went From Being An Anti-Masculinity YKW to a Pro-Humanity Individual Pt IIIt's a frequently used acronym over at /r/BMJA I'm not black, but when I realized that all the things men in general suffer from, black men suffer from it 5x, I figured I should start paying attention. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/09/21 05:16 PM |
| 18 | A Story of Two Movements for EqualityI was a bit worried, this being the biggest wall of text I've seen on reddit in a very long time. But it's well worth the read. Thank you for sharing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/21 05:39 PM |
| 2 | Feminist TikTokAmong women, I doubt it. This is years of experience talking. I have been shocked at how foreign a concept empathy for men as a group is with the women I've talked to. I think this is a fair point. Generally speaking, it's very difficult to respect people who do not respect themselves. And when even the men are unaware when they are being disrespected and don't know how to set boundaries, then the women around them can never learn that they are being disrespectful and hurtful. I do know that whe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/21 03:17 AM |
| 15 | Feminist TikTokYou mean that they only say these things to impress girls, but they don't actually believe it? I think that some of the posts in /r/MensLib shows that there definitely are men who genuinely believe these things. And while it may be near impossible to sort out the posers from the real deal. It's still a real thing and it's still a real problem. We just don't know to what extent. Which means that the men suffering from internalized misandry are victims too and deserving of empathy, compassion and … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/21 07:49 PM |
| 6 | Feminist TikTokI don't have much suggestions, and they're not great but their certainly better than nothing. This is mostly about fighting misandry within your friend's group. Charisma, clout and social awareness/grace are extremely helpful here. Calling people out for saying outright misandric stuff. Like "men are trash", "Kill all men", "I hate men". They can use a variety of levels of irony and sarcasm when saying and the "call out" should match. I know that in my friend group at least, there is sufficient … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/21 07:42 PM |
| 2 | Should Fathers Have a Say in the Decision to Abort? - Human CoalitionEven if it is her body, her choice. It doesn't mean that the father should have no rights. The father should still have the right to know about the pregnancy and the abortion. The father should have the right to try and convince the mother to forgo an abortion by offering to take full custody and responsibility for the child after birth. The father should be informed about the pregnancy and be given the opportunity to abort financial responsibility for the child. If the father choses to abort re… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/09/21 11:46 AM |
| 4 | Dear Menslib- we've been trying to tell you.It's his whole career. There's a saying that goes something like this: There's nothing you can do to convince a man about a truth when his paycheck depends on him not believing it. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/21 06:28 AM |
| 13 | If intersectionality was to include men (without the blame game that usually goes on, currently), would you support it or not?There's two things wrong with intersectionality. The first one is that it is inherently impossible to accommodate all the nuanced ways in which humans are "oppressed" or discriminated against. There's heightism, neural divergence, ableism, ageism, ever more refined ethnic subdivisions, etc.. etc.. The second one deals with the political ramifications. Intersectionality is too powerful of a political tool, it can't help but be co-opted by special interest groups to push certain agendas and justif… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/21 07:44 AM |
| 28 | Reflecting on Shoe0nhead's gender issues debateShe used to just counter the inane bullshit comming from tumblr feminists. Since then, feminist academia has entered the scene and supports the inane bullshit with a shitton of tricky to refute sophistry. Before it was just "men are trash", you counter that by saying: no you're sexist trash. But now its: Toxic masculinity is harmful to men and women, women are oppressed by a patriarchal system, so dismissing the lived perspective of a woman who says that "men are trash" is contributing to the pa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/09/21 11:16 PM |
| 3 | I don’t even know how to react to thisIt is official policy at reddit to forbid hatred against women but allow hatred against men: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/mkto8s/reddit_admins_clarify_that_theyre_fine_with_hate/ | /r/MensRights | 04/09/21 04:27 PM |
| 6 | I feel like I have wasted my youthI assume you're in the US in which case psychiatric help isn't going to be affordable? Otherwise do try and get some help. From what I understand Cognitive Behavior Therapy is the most reliable if it is applicable to you. This can really help you get your life back on track. If that's not possible for you, here's some advice I can give you based on my own experiences. The thing is, everyone's different and what's worked for me may not work for you. Manage your brain energy expenditure. If you sp… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/21 03:34 PM |
| 2 | Why Are Some of Professor Janice Fiamengo's Pro-Male Videos Unavailable?I think it's all on here: https://odysee.com/@StudioBruleArchive:e And I like I said over on LWMA, if the same content was on the youtube channel it's likely it got banned due to the anti-vax content rather than the men's rights content. | /r/MensRights | 03/09/21 02:52 AM |
| 5 | SCOTUS allows Texas abortion ban to proceed. Bodily Autonomy is important to everyone, no matter what form it may take.Getting an abortion isn't simple. You'll probably know where to get an abortion in your local city, or the nearby major city. But you won't know where to get an abortion in the next state over. Also, Texas is huge. Getting to the next state over might be nearly impossible for many people. Texas is also only the first state doing this, other states are going to follow suit, possibly including Texas' neighboring states. Banning abortions causes all sorts of problems. It's really terrible. It also … | /r/MensRights | 03/09/21 02:06 AM |
| 9 | I was right and so were a bunch of random peaple this Canadain lawwill hurt women in the long run and hurt men as wellThis isn't confirmation of anything. The entire article is extremely hypothetical. There's a lot of variables at play, and it's not even clear how this law will be applied. So to go about making hard predictions about what's going to happen as a result is absurd. Plus, personally, I feel it is weak ass as hell to feel like you need to come up with some convoluted reason for why this is wrong because it will hurt women too. It is a sexist piece of legislation, and that's all that's needed to clai… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/21 01:18 AM |
| 6 | Canada now officially discriminates against men regarding "equal pay for equal work"After feminists realized that men are practically never paid more for the same work, and in fact occasionally women are getting paid more for the same work, they shifted their narrative. Now the problem is, they say, is that female jobs (e.g. nursing) are underpaid compared to male jobs (e.g. construction worker). So that's what this new law is there to "correct". Of course comparing the compensation of very different kinds of jobs is impossible to do in an objective way. So businesses have to s… | /r/MensRights | 01/09/21 08:46 PM |
| 10 | Canada now officially discriminates against men regarding "equal pay for equal work"Hourly rate for different jobs makes no sense. Some jobs require more work than others, some jobs require more skills than others. We're talking about comparing compensation of radically different types of jobs. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/21 05:57 PM |
| 5 | You cannot advocate for men's rights without being a feminist. You cannot be a feminist without advocatin for men's rights.There's a fundamental difference between combative MRAs and combative Feminists. Combative feminists hate men. Combative MRAs do not hate women, they hate feminists. There is no label for women's rights advocacy that doesn't naturally welcome combative feminists that hate men. There's been some mention of having that, and I would definitely support such a thing. Frankly I was hopping that /r/feminismuncensored would be the place to find people talking about women's rights without excessive man h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 05:55 PM |
| 7 | Canada now officially discriminates against men regarding "equal pay for equal work"The committee is supposed to evaluate how much the job is worth. I skipped over the details of exactly how they're supposed to do this, but ultimately it's going to be subjective. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/21 05:32 PM |
| 13 | Canada now officially discriminates against men regarding "equal pay for equal work"WTF is this insanity. Is this for real. So when they say to put in A all the job groups that are predominently female and put in B all the job groups that are predominently female, it means that A and B are the same? So the entire act is completely pointless? | /r/MensRights | 01/09/21 05:07 PM |
| 39 | Canada now officially discriminates against men regarding "equal pay for equal work"The premise of the act is to address where men and women do very different jobs (e.g. cashier are mostly women vs stock workers are mostly men). Companies have to setup a committee of employees to judge if the compensation of the cashiers for their work is the same as that of the stockers for their work. This is obviously subjective. If the committee determines that the cashiers are underpaid, the company must increase cashier's salary. But if the stockers are found to be underpaid, then that's … | /r/MensRights | 01/09/21 05:00 PM |
| 13 | Canada now officially discriminates against men regarding "equal pay for equal work"I've read the act (mostly). If I understand it right, it is extremely discriminatory. If/when this gets applied it's going to be a clusterfuck. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/21 04:53 PM |
| 22 | Canada now officially discriminates against men regarding "equal pay for equal work"Section 19 (1) (b) 19 (1) A pay equity committee is to be composed of at least three members and must also meet the following requirements: (b) at least 50% of the members must be women; Explicit gender discrimination against men. I'm still reading to find more. That said, the implicit gender discrimination is far worse. EDIT: It's much worse than that. It's difficult to follow correctly, but it essentially asks to setup a committee to compare the value and pay of those jobs mostly done by men… | /r/MensRights | 01/09/21 04:34 PM |
| 13 | What is the difference between r/mensrights and this sub?I hope no one actually means that /r/mensrights is poorly moderated. /r/mensrights has a significantly free speech approach. Which is hugely valuable and I hope you guys stay that way. But it does make the problems you listed nearly impossible to eliminate. Personally, I feel like you guys are doing a very good job. /r/LefwingMaleAdvocates is not a free speech zone. Moderators can use extreme prejudice when they suspect bad actors that don't align with their ideology. This is important because i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 04:22 PM |
| 76 | Modern feminists thrive on male suffering at worst, and ignore any of our issues at best. Why shouldn't I start voting red?Problem is, right wing is often even worse for men than left wing. Neither party cares about men. The right cares less about both men and women than the left. The right does put more effort into rationalizing why not caring about men is a good thing. IMO, voting right is what you do if you want to punish the establishment even if it means you'll be hurting yourself just as much. If you're in a solidly blue area and you're confident that voting right isn't going to help flip the election, I'd say… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/21 05:06 AM |
| 30 | Is my life important anymore?Society still cares. People still care, but think tanks and special interest put a lot of work into making sure that it doesn't show in public media. That said, it has never been the case in all the history of humanity that people cared as much about men as they do about women. All of this talk about equality has us thinking that this should not be the case anymore. But it very much still is, and it takes a lot of work and constant vigilance to try and shift it. When feminists say that privilege… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/21 05:44 PM |
| 7 | Janice Fiamenco has been censored by YouTube!I'm a bit shocked that youtube would take down her account. Youtube was one of the few "mainstream" media platform that still allows content that strongly criticizes anti-woke ideology. That said, it seems like Janice was just one commentator of the Brule channel (I wasn't really following Janice or the youtube channel). The Brule channel is also still up on Odysee as others have pointed out: https://odysee.com/@StudioBruleArchive:e. It does have a lot of anti-vax content which is a topic that i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/21 04:50 AM |
| 20 | Unarmed adult males killed indiscriminately by drone strikes in Afghanistan because they "fit criteria".Those guys were explicitly classified as targets that needed killing. But you're right, many, if not most, were likely civilians. It gets even worse. Men who aren't even classified as targets and killed completely accidentally also don't show up in civilian casualties statistics: But the Connecting Vets report noted that the Department of Defense (DoD) recorded only one civilian casualty on the date of the strike, which was “likely the toddler,” while leaving out the two adult males who “just ha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/21 02:07 AM |
| 2 | (WikiLeaks) CIA Report: Use feminism to reduce Western opposition to military occupation of Afghanistan [2010]I wouldn't go that far. I've learned that you have to be careful. If you're innocent or you're telling the truth, it's easy to make the mistake of assuming that facts being on your side means that things will work out in the long run. But the guilty and the liar knows he's in the wrong. He'll be working 10 times harder to make his version prevail. So I'd say no, don't just let the truth speak of itself, because the liars will easily drown it out. In some cases and circumstances the truth will gi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/21 01:32 AM |
| 1 | (WikiLeaks) CIA Report: Use feminism to reduce Western opposition to military occupation of Afghanistan [2010]It worked for feminism. But did it help humans? I don't think so. Do feminist lies even help women? I think not. It only helps feminists, and probably not even most of them. We're the plebes. The systems that need to be installed and protected to support us are much more complex and fragile and I believe that they need truth to function. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/21 10:10 PM |
| 2 | (WikiLeaks) CIA Report: Use feminism to reduce Western opposition to military occupation of Afghanistan [2010]That's a stretch. It's clearly not what is implied from the titled. It is absolutely not what I thought it meant when I read the title. This title is blatant misinformation. Personally I consider that kind of misinformation to be even worse than feminist misandry. We can make no real progress if we adopt the us vs them mentally and start acting like the truth doesn't matter as long as the lies support your side. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/21 09:22 PM |
| 8 | (WikiLeaks) CIA Report: Use feminism to reduce Western opposition to military occupation of Afghanistan [2010]That is an extremely misleading title. There is no mention of feminism in the report. They do mention using the plight of women and girls suffering at the hands of the Taliban. This is one point (repeated 2-3 times) among probably around a dozen. There is evidence of the empathy gap in the messaging being suggested. But the empathy gap is a phenomenon that exists regardless of feminist intervention. And if you're going to judge what messaging is most effective, it just makes sense to accommodate… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/21 06:07 PM |
| 31 | Scottish Gov launches women's health plan, fails to launch men's health plan.Unsurprisingly the only area where they are trying to "help" is one where helping means publicizing a negative portrayal of men and masculinity. No thank you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/21 01:07 PM |
| 124 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.And the narrative is now completely flipped on it's head The UNHCR is particularly concerned the about the impact the conflict is having on women and girls, who make up 80% of those roughly 250,000 who had fled the country since the end of May. “This is a staggering statistic,” Mantoo told journalists, before adding “the situation needs attention, these people need support”. It's not "selfish women leaving men behind to fend for themselves". It's "these people need support". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 10:59 AM |
| 6 | /r/misandry has been banned.If I had to bet on it, I'd bet that the admin that wrote that comment doesn't agree with the rule but has to enforce it as written. Misandrists who hide behind rules like this one usually try to be as obscure as possible. specifically so that people can't connect the dots to what empowers their misandry, lest it be taken away from them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/21 03:20 PM |
| 8 | Save your commentsMgtow wasn't any more misandric than fds. The double standard is proof of an agenda. /r/misandry was not misogynistic, and that's proof that they'll jump at any excuse to ban a sub based on their agenda. /r/mensrigths and /r/leftwingmaleadvocates are most definitely on the chopping block. They are just waiting for the right time and right excuse to make it happen. Both subreddits try very hard not to give them that excuse, so it may take a while, but the reddit admins will eventually find a way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/21 10:34 AM |
| 1 | let's join the call to get rid of misandrist powermods.What the hell is wrong with you? You've put in so much time and effort just to discourage one of the best MRAs we have on this platform. If you don't agree that his strategy will work out, the STFU and go work on your own. Maybe what he plans will be a lot of effort for a negligible or not benefit at all. Which is still worlds better than what you're doing which is a bunch of efforts to make things worse and discourage people. We're all hoping to find a plan and call to action with a clear path … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/08/21 11:41 AM |
| 3 | Men are not monolithicOne time I tried to argue that point with a feminist when they brought up BLM. Their response sounded like the first step of blaming black men's issues on the patriarchy and masculinity. I just gave up. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/21 04:40 AM |
| 6 | Two girls demanding more attention than six boys together.I can tell that you really have the best intentions here, but I believe this is borderline demonizing women. While it may be worth discussing the idea that feminism and "gynocentrism" is negatively affecting women and girl's behavior. This subject is starting to get very far removed from discussion centered on men's rights. And as you might know by looking at feminists, the road from women's rights advocacy to misandry is a very slippery slope. And the same is true of men's rights advocacy to mi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/21 09:15 PM |
| 9 | New dads banned from spending time with their newborns in Western Sydney hospitalsone group of relatives [the fathers] As thought father was more or less equivalent to an uncle or a grandparent. What is this nonsense? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/21 06:11 PM |
| 3 | Thoughts on Cancel CultureThanks, I just watched Laci's video that was very interesting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/21 12:40 PM |
| 1 | Why the term ‘toxic masculinity’ needs to be retiredPressuring men to act in an ideal masculine way is something we should fight against. Another thing is we should fight against the condemnation of men who wish to act in an ideal masculine way. It should be clear that the term "toxic masculinity" is inherently counterproductive to the second objective. Which puts the lie to the first objective, the term "toxic masculinity" isn't about social pressure, but men's agency in how they choose to behave. So in fact, "toxic masculinity" is about pressur… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/21 08:40 AM |
| 2 | Vaush recently debated a Men's Rights Activist>> but does not admit culpability in their (and by extension, people who think like them) contribution to the problem of men being unable to express their feelings and views. Because when people like him say that men should express themselves. What they mean is that men should show their emotions openly, allow themselves to be vulnerable so that they become easier to manipulate an brainwash. What he doesn't want is for men to become able to express how those around them hurt them in order to set… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/21 01:35 AM |
| 18 | Thoughts on Cancel CultureArguing that his work is not good in bad faith (e.g. because you think he is a wife beater and want to tarnish his reputation) is more like trolling or just generally being an asshole. What makes cancel culture, "cancel culture" is the deliberate effort to "cancel" the person. It is mob justice. The objective is to destroy that person's reputation (not just tarnish it) and career. It is organized and deliberate rather than individual and reactive. They not only attack the person himself, they al… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/21 10:46 AM |
| 6 | Been dating a member of the friend group and wondered when the conversation on my stance on men's issues would come up.The alt-right is a post-truth ideology. Every single one of them will "be an MRA" whenever it's convenient. And it has been convenient for a very long time due to the "alt-right pipeline". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/21 09:31 AM |
| 7 | Been dating a member of the friend group and wondered when the conversation on my stance on men's issues would come up.Outside of strategic activist planning I think it is counterproductive to attack feminism itself. It's enough to have your own personal justification for not wanting to be labelled a feminist: you don't want to be associated with many of the prominent feminists that said bad things. You disagree with some of the core philosophies underpinning many feminist ideology. Once you convince the person of the harm caused by feminist ideas, they will either try and create a new branch of feminism based o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/21 09:23 AM |
| 8 | This is a convo I had with someone on instagram, I just wanted to get you guys' thoughts on itAnd also, you shift the overtone window. When saying something misandrist gets you backlash, you don't change your mind, but you don't say it anymore. So it's not just the lurkers reading that conversation whose minds are changed. It's the lurkers who would have read the next misandrist thing the person was going to say but now can't read it because the misandrist keeps their thoughs private because they don't want to deal with the backlash. It also means that people who agree about misandry bei… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/21 08:59 AM |
| 11 | Here is my understanding of just why misandrist feminism is so pervasive.Yep, you've nailed it. Add on top of this, politicians ride that wave to appear progressive and fighting injustice while themselves being corrupt war mongers. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/06/21 10:57 AM |
| 24 | Are you still boycotting Gillette?Gilette is owned by Procter & Gamble. And it's almost guaranteed you use some of their products. And what's more, it's super easy to replace it with nearly identical alternatives. Look at the small print, if it says PG on it, then you don't buy and find something else. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/06/21 02:33 PM |
| 1 | The Abortion Tax AnalogyThe legal justification for allowing abortion is that people have a right to body autonomy. But the practical reason why women get abortions is because they are not ready or unwilling to take responsibility for a human being for the next 18-21 years. Men have no choice on the subject and are forced to take responsibility. It's not that complicated of a concept. Those who claim no to understand it, are either extremely good at not understanding things they don't want to understand or are lying an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/05/21 08:10 PM |
| 6 | "self examination", "introspection" and why feminist approaches to men's issues don't work.Where is this "ideologically sound" feminism you speak of? I spent some time talking with and reading /r/FeminismUncensored and it's even worse than I imagine. They have a convoluted philosophical framework that essentially ends up justifying dehumanizing men and dismissing their experience. It's an ever evolving and shifting philosophy so it's impossible to catch them in a contradiction. The cornerstones of the philosophy are terms we've all heard plenty of times: The Patriarchy, Male Privilege… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/05/21 10:37 AM |
| 2 | I have come to the conclusion that I need to distance myself from the MRA movementOh when you say MRA you mean people in /r/mensrights? You should have been more clear. MRA just means Men's rights advocate or Men's rights activist. Anyone advocating for men's rights is an MRA. But it's also a label that some people give themselves: e.g. I'm an MRA. In anycase MRA is much bigger than just /r/mensrights and it does contain a lot of misogynists and non-misogynists alike. The more being an MRA becomes mainstream, the more misogynists will be attracted to appropriate the label to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/21 08:01 PM |
| 1 | I have come to the conclusion that I need to distance myself from the MRA movementMRA aren't coalesced around an ideology the way that feminism is. A lot of MRA (especially right wing MRAs) are misogynists. But it can't be generalized to all MRAs because they don't all share the same ideology. Feminism leads to hatred of men because it is the natural conclusion of its core ideology. Hating feminism isn't the same as hating women. It's not even the same as hating feminists. I still think that most feminists are people who mean well but got tricked into believing in a toxic ide… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/21 07:51 PM |
| 1 | A study done by fellow questioning left wingers.Once the maintainers responded to the submitted patch They say the maintainers responded, they didn't say what the response was. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/21 04:48 PM |
| 1 | What is the feminist movement's net worth?Honestly, it's so much smaller than I thought. Except UN Women which is 10 times bigger than I thought. Where the hell do they spend all of that money. Where is that multi-billion coalition that Trudeau launched? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/21 10:56 PM |
| 6 | I'm just done reaching across the aisle. I'm so tired of going out of my way to understand women's perspectives to have them not spend a minute considering a male oneUltimately, feminism is just a word and it's meaning is based on who decides to use that label. Anyone that thinks the world would be better if women had a little bit more power than men, all the way to radical female supremacists would be proud to call themselves feminists. But people who think the opposite would never label themselves feminists. So when people who call themselves feminists get together. In theory, the egalitarian among them would be spending all their energy trying to neutrali… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/21 11:30 AM |
| 3 | The closing of MEL magazine is evidence that most men agree with us. So, I have a question...Just wanted to mention, that 20 years ago, just the idea of saying the phrase "empower men" was unthinkable to me. I don't know how much my personal progress reflects society as a whole, but it sure feels like we've made a lot of progress. But it's been very slow. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/21 11:59 PM |
| 4 | Are there "Alpha" and "Beta" men?You're moving the goal post. When you said "People who insist on dividing up men into Alpha and Beta are invariably protesting a bit too much". It's pretty clear you were referring to OP and/or people like OP. I'm protesting your characterization of OP's statement as one that tries to divide men up into Alphas and Betas, when a proper reading of his post suggests that he does exactly the opposite. Now you're saying that OP is claiming that women divide men in this way. He is not. He is saying th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/21 12:31 AM |
| 5 | Are there "Alpha" and "Beta" men?Do people not know how to read anymore? The whole point of his post is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ALPHA MALE OR A BETA MALE. There is only a reaction from women that find men who behave a certain kind of way as being highly sexually attractive in that moment. Why does everyone seem to be repeating the main premise of his post but without any of the additional nuance and then acting like they've totally countered his point? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/21 12:15 AM |
| 5 | Are there "Alpha" and "Beta" men?The idea that you cannot "divide men up into Alphas and Betas" is the entire point of his whole post. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/21 12:04 AM |
| 19 | Worried my S.O. is turning woke/anti-man/neo racistRadical Feminism works by executing on a simple formula: Trigger empathy and compassion: talk about disadvantaged people in a way to encourage empathy and compassion towards them. Structure their problems as being systemic. Blame the structure of the system on white men. Convert empathy and compassion into hate and contempt for men. The red pill movie is the cure. It teaches people to have empathy and compassion for men as well. Using the same approach that has been used to teach empathy and com… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 10:51 AM |
| 1 | Makeup for men. The existence of products like these that break male gender expectations means we're making huge progress. I'm so happy to see this, keep it up guys!There is so much wrong with this. But maybe pointing out the fact that the first two words he says are "Hi sisters" should be enough to convince people that this "ain't it champ". Unless your point that this show great progress for acceptance of male-born genderqueer people, then I'd agree. But even then, why is it even here? You're making it seem like this is bucking the status quo. It's not. This trend IS the status quo in leftist circles (which this is). What's under threat is acceptance of m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/21 04:16 PM |
| 3 | The UN removes the International Men's DayThe UN is a central hub of international culture and control a ton of international aid money When there's a disaster somewhere, the UN is there. And their opinion is listened to. And when the UN says that you shouldn't give food to starving men. Everyone listens and agrees. Awareness of men's issues is important. And the UN recognizing international men's day helps with that awareness. Conversely, the UN ignoring international men's day is strong evidence of misandry at the UN. It matters. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/21 09:23 AM |
| 6 | The UN removes the International Men's DayWe can name and shame them. Which is what is happening here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/21 09:18 AM |
| 5 | it literally shocking to see the hate and insult towards the male gender in social media, even most men’s side with the womenI'm not an expert, but this is what I think: Why don’t men don’t support each other? Women aren't attracted to weak men and men of low social status. When you talk about how men are oppressed, implicitly you're admitting that you're oppressed, so you're outing yourself as being low social status. Many men have instincts to protect their social status from such situations. When they see another man talking like you, they will recognize that you're showing how low status you are, and they will r… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/03/21 12:02 PM |
| 19 | I don’t want to feel like a monster anymore.Lots of women reject this "men are trash" idea. And lots of men believe in it. What you may be experiencing is the loss of the women are wonderful effect. Where you used to judge all women the same as being generally caring and gentle. Instead of losing it completely, consider being more conditional in the sympathy you have for people. Everyone has faults, but it doesn't mean you can't appreciate them for their virtues. Provided their faults aren't too severe. IMO, this applies just as much to m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/03/21 05:14 PM |
| 17 | "entitlement" when used in the realm of gender discussions is a word I've come to dislike. This is why.When I was a teen, I used to be a "Nice Guy" I tried to be nice to everyone, hoping that by showing how it's done by example, the rest of the world would follow my lead and be nice too. I was an idiot. People just saw me as someone who could easily be taken advantage of. And I was focused on all the wrong things in terms of becoming attractive to women. There's all sorts of types of "Nice Guys" who aren't successful with women. Nearly all of them need to get wise and understand better how the re… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/03/21 09:18 AM |
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