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Yes, it is hard to compute because it makes no sense. Now you're saying inanimate objects like money are alpha even though the person is not. It's ridiculous at this point. Are pants alpha? Can a mattress be alpha? Your interpretation of what those words mean is so far from reality that I don't even know how to go about correcting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 01:10 PM
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The money is alpha. A beta can be rich and fuck lots of bitches. Or do you think Bill Gates is alpha? What is he withought his money? He's a nerd. Huhh? You just said the money is alpha and then list a beta as an example. What the hell are you talking about? If billionaire Bill Gates isn't alpha with billions of dollars then money is not alpha, or else Bill Gates would be alpha. This is like, basic logic. I'm done. This conversation is becoming moronic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 04:05 AM
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Being rich isn't alpha. Fucking women isn't alpha. You don't know what the words mean. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 01:30 AM
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So you're telling me an Asian millionaire who runs his own company, fucks tons of women, and lives a lavish life is a beta because...what? He loves his parents? I try to stay civil on this board but these types of conversations make it so, so difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 11:46 PM
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Short, skinny and average looking are not beta traits. And if you think they are, you don't understand what the terms mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 11:45 PM
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I don't know what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 10:27 PM
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You must have limited experiences with Asians. They can be ruthless businessmen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 09:03 PM
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Alpha and Beta describe actions, not people. Success with women is a by-product of alpha qualities, otherwise pity sex or a white loser getting laid by desperate women in the Philippines would be alpha too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 09:02 PM
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I mean, they're hardly going to include cases of offensive jokes that didn't interfere with one's academic performance Of course they are. If you make the parameters of harassment "an offensive story" then guess what, a whole bunch of people are going to check yes on that box no matter whether it was actually sexually harassment or not. The definitions used here are too broad, too vague, and too unrealistic and ignore how any reasonable person would take the question. And I'm not sure it's possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 02:04 PM
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Ok, fair enough, I didn't see the dividing line. But even then it's still incredibly subjective and down to your own interpretation of what that means. It's your personal interpretation and victimhood that makes these issues into actual problems most of the time. Not everybody takes everything the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 01:50 PM
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And where does it even specify that in your definition? (Hint: nowhere) You just made it up arbitrarily because you realized it's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 01:42 PM
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Really? Humping their legs? Are men literally turning into dogs now? Rubbing breasts is already cateogrized by point number two and forcing them in their crotch isn't even included in this definition, it more likely fits into the intimidation or threats of force category. How in any way are any of those things obvious? In fact they all sound pretty unrealistic. Do you think it's more or less paranoid to assume that most of these probably don't actually believe they were sexually assaulted becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 01:40 PM
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That seems like an incredibly subjective list not based in any sort of grounded definition of the word. told jokes or stories that were insulting or offensive to you I mean...really? If I tell a story that offends you I'm harassing you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 03:43 AM
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It actually specifically distinguishes between kissing and touching someone's ass and chest, and sexually touching over clothes where it does not specify what sort of touching this actually is. 1. touching someone’s breast, chest, crotch, groin, or buttocks 2. grabbing, groping or rubbing against the other in a sexual way, even if the touching is over the other’s clothes I would be interested to know what exactly this entailed if it was not touching of the breast, chest, crotch, groin, or buttoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 03:42 AM
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Bang her, get your own girlfriend, or stop complaining. Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 01:37 AM
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but that is very far from no evidence that trans people kill themselves less after surgery. That is literally what it means. There is no evidence at all, because as you said, you are comparing two different countries with dramatically different suicide rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 10:09 PM
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They opt out of taking part in the study. There are plenty of these breakdowns out there. Can you explain why you wouldn't think this would apply to trans people? Because it's irrelevant. The data shows there is no proof trans people kill themselves any less after transition surgery, and there is proof they still kill themselves at far higher rates than the general population. And this is not even taking into account that a huge amount of trans actually drop out mid-therapy for undisclosed reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 05:27 PM
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No they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 01:57 PM
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Flawed study. Massive amounts of post-op transgenders either opt out or kill themselves. Those remaining clearly were happy with their circumstances. This is a classic example of statistics misrepresenting the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 01:53 PM
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How is that any different than reporting rape the second it happens? Most women don't do this, because rape is an emotionnally charged situation and not a straight forward crime. Or maybe a woman is simply drunk. What is the difference between canceling a contract and just going to see the police to file a police report? It sounds like the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 01:23 AM
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They think they want that. Many of these trans women who fully transition hugely regret it. Look at Bruce Jenner. Now he wants to be a man again. How can you know for sure you want another body part if you don't know what it feels like?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 10:08 PM
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The issue with "consent" in modern terms is that it's not verifiable at all. There is no legal standard for it, since it can also be retracted at any time. But you're saying that this contract can be retracted at any time as well if the woman doesn't want it. It's basically meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 09:55 PM
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I don't believe that anywhere in the thread you linked, there was anybody actually saying that all men are like that! TRP doesn't say it's literally all women either. This is a point that comes up in literally every single thread about AWALT yet it gets ignored over and over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 08:46 PM
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They should not be forced on people, and they aren't forced on people anywhere in the western world. The whole idea of gender roles in the west is ridiculous and stupid and it actually undermines the entire concept of gender being a by-product of culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 04:12 PM
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There's no proof gender transition surgery makes transgenders any less likely to kill themselves. If harboring delusions is the best option then there needs to be another option.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 04:02 PM
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Transgenders have mental health disorders that should be treated as mental health disorders and not coming out parties that should be celebrated or have laws changed to facilitate their delusions. But thanks to feminism, now a painful mental disorder is now a fun and trendy aspect of intersectionalism. Yet another way feminists destroy everything they touch and ruin the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 01:14 AM
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Exactly. It amazes me that the side who aligns themselves with tolerance and openess and anti-sexism are the first ones to label large groups of women as toxic for no reason besides having a different way of viewing the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 02:12 PM
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Women don't realize they can make their own money and have sex with hot studs? Almost all women realize this. Women wouldn't go to college if they weren't trying to find a place in the workforce, and most women have been hit on enough times to know they can have sex at a moments notice. You're not saying anything women don't know. What you should be afraid of is women realizing they can be their own beta bucks. They know. They just don't want to. Women are not idiots. This idea they can make a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 01:17 AM
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You sound... afraid. Using hyperbole instead of facts is a clear sign of concession. All women and all people should do whatever they feel makes them happy. But what facts show, is that women are more likely to make certain choices that do not coincide with the picture you are painting. Women are starting to wake up and realize that we indeed can be our own beta bucks and fuck as many young alphas as we want. Most women probably already know that. They just don't want to. Again, the facts are ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 01:08 AM
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There are very few hot 40 year old women. 75% of American women are overweight. That's ALL women. Now consider the rate of obesity increases dramatically with age and you're left with the majority of older women being gross by most standards. Women who are very hot at any age will always do well for themselves. Redpill never disputes this, so I'm assuming you don't know much about the actual literature. For proof, look at forums where actual alpha males hang out. They respond very positively to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 12:59 AM
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http://www.healthline.com/health/sexually-transmitted-diseases/safe-sex#SaferSex4 You should also wash with soap and water after sex. This can help remove any infectious material that is on your skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 04:54 PM
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So if someone was uncomfortable with admitting something openly that means they are being deceptive? So any woman who feels uncomfortable admitting they wear make-up is a deceiver and is being manipulative? What about people who are embarrassed, ashamed, or insecure of themselves/their ideas or bodies? You're painting very contextual interactions with a very wide brush that don't fit neatly in boxes of "manipulation."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:12 AM
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Anything worth saying can be said in in one paragraph Do you honestly believe this? Well fuck, I guess all literature in history is just a bunch morons grasping at straws to justify their worldview. Sorry Anne Frank!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 05:25 AM
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According to your own definition if a woman doesn't tell a man she is wearing make-up that makes her manipulative. This has literally never happened to me.Nobody is constantly stating their actions to everyone around them. OP's point still stands and it apparently it does so without stretching the word very far at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 05:22 AM
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You can't say /thread on your own post. That's kind of...narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 05:00 AM
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Your counter was meaningless. Neither of those articles were long, as I said. Anyone who works in Science or Business knows that high-effort content =/= pointlessly long writing. Irrelevant. I also never said anything was wrong with it, I am simply pointing out that it is a recognizable pattern apparent in the highly upvoted threads on TRP and was curious as to why. I already told you why. You are the one who felt the need to point out that 1500 words was long. Which, maybe to you, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 04:58 AM
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And? You can read either of those articles in around 10-15 minutes. This is the problem with the generation of instant gratification. Everything needs to be 500 characters or less which means you only get the absolutely essential details and miss out on things like context and frame and opposition viewpoints. You can only write for so long before people's interest vanishes. There is nothing wrong with putting effort into what you write. There is nothing wrong with taking the time to read someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 04:41 AM
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There is also a big difference between "feeling entitled to having a relationship" and "wanting a relationship with a particular person" or "deserving a relationship because you meet all the eligible requirements." This is akin to someone trying out for a play at school, memorizing the part, buying a costume just for the audition, anticipating it all year, not missing a single line at the tryouts, then losing the spot to a taller and better looking football player who had been in theater for les…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 04:28 AM
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It's sort of sad we live in a time where 8-10 paragraphs on the internet is considered "long." I also think it's weird that people make fun of redpillers for writing a lot, usually right before they sit down and play a videogame for 4 hours straight or watch a 2 hour long movie. To answer your question, TRP rewards high-effort content. Anybody can ask two sentence questions like they do here, but actually spending time and effort on thought out discussion points is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 04:21 AM
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The only real answer is empathy, which is ironically a very beta trait. True alphas would not care one way or the other to help weak men attract beautiful women. Too many redpillers don't understand that 'beta' doesn't necessarily mean bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:03 PM
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You are correct. Betas will never become natural alphas. What they CAN do however is mimic alpha qualities in order to become a more socially accepted and well rounded person. Think of Alpha and Beta as two opposite ends on a slider. All human beings fall somewhere within that slider, with those who have majority alpha traits on one end and those with majority beta traits on the other. The goal of TRP is to take low-betas [someone with majority beta qualities] and give them the tools to become a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:00 PM
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How is it arbitrary if you literally just described what the label means?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 08:15 PM
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I mean, unless you are married then logically that makes no sense. This is like looking for advice on how to nail your dream job from an alcoholic who works 30 hours a week as a beekeeper in backwoods Kentucky because he inherited the family business. Could he have found the silver lining and stopped himself from blowing his brains out in an eazy chair? Sure, whatever. Can he actually give relevant commentary on doing what you love and making money off it? I mean...maybe? If you shoot in the dar…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:25 AM
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Nope. I'm right. We are strictly talking about extremes. And the 100% alpha is a man who has literally no respect for the law whatsoever, which will make him far more likely to commit crimes. An alpha is a leader of men, through social means. He possesses the tools to success. What we are discussing here is a 100% alpha. An amalgamation of all dark triad and alpha traits with absolutely zero beta traits. Most people you are thinking of are high alphas who possess some or many alpha traits, along…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:31 AM
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Yeah except in this case people ARE important because you operating under the pretext that EC's have actually accomplished something beyond licking fat hairy balls. Saying "Women are like A treat so them like B to get tons of pussy" is only a meaningful comment if you've ACTUALLY done that, as opposed to say finding out about TRP once you were trapped in a loveless marriage with kids and living out some mid-life crisis fantasy world on the internet by somehow convincing others of all the dope al…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 12:57 AM
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Less than garbage. Singlehandedly ruined TRP because they know they can take advantage of weak willed men just looking for help. There are a few who are a decent people, but the rest are Manson family style cultists that shouldn't be respected by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 11:17 PM
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I don't encourage anyone to break the law especially incels who are already losers and have no idea what they're doing. Bit of a pet peeve of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 08:37 PM
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TBP aren't the ones that call them shitty. We see how TRP generalizes them and then use those generalizations as a measure of the type of women TRP attracts. If anything it's TRP that calls them shitty. Isn't this just a round-about way of saying any female who likes redpillers is a dumb bimbo?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 08:56 AM
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I'm a realist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 02:05 AM
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You mean sidebar stuff or the material redpillers post? Because if it's the latter that's pretty much inseparable from the individuals. I wouldn't disagree with you if that was the case either. Like 90% of the mods have been drinking the kool aid for too long. It would be pretty great if the EC's just started horrifically attacking each other like in that movie the Purge.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 11:51 PM
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Your sole focus is to whine about how shitty redpillers are. Checkmate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 11:39 PM
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Bluepillers are usually just regular people. Sadly regular people are usually morons who rely on someone else to tell them what their opinions should be and how to think. "That's RedPill to a tee!" a million overweight voices cried out at once. See. Predictable. Difference is once you start examining life from the perspective of an outsider your entire mentality on how the world actually works will change. Bluepillers, and most people, are incredibly resistant to anything that hasn't been repeat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 11:29 PM
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Massive rant about Bernie Sanders is now a sentence. OK. This is another bluepill thing. Sidetrack, don't respond to points you don't want to deal with, derail, etc. Now the conversation is literally about nothing. Good job with that. I will keep going, thank you very much. Would you prefer me to talk about Bernie Sanders or how silly your ideas about prostitution are? Up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 11:24 PM
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Yeah that's exactly what I said. Pretty much, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 11:21 PM
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Sanders supporters and liberals are in general the same. I wasn't talking about you, but yeah, it is pretty frustrating when conducting an argument that doesn't have any basis in reality whatsoever. Did I see anyone who disagrees with me is a child? Or did I say it's childish to construct fantasy worlds that disregard human nature in favor of theoretical nonsense? I'm not "yelling" at anyone. Maybe you're just sensitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 06:43 PM
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No. It is statistically impossible that working out and eating well won't make a man appear more attractive to some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 06:40 PM
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"Any female who likes redpillers is a dumb bimbo." Bluepillers are so sexist, I swear.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 06:39 PM
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Of course it's extreme, unless you live in some sort of fantasy land where even a single trip like this wouldn't cost hundreds to thousands of dollars, and would need to be made at least once per month if not more. And considering incels usually aren't exactly earning bank here [or else they probably wouldn't be incels] how are they financing these trips? Most incels live with their fucking parent for christs sake. Sure they could actually physically move to Vegas leaving behind their jobs, live…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 06:34 PM
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Yeah, was that the point of the Disney movie? Because if it wasn't then that's interesting but irrelevant commentary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 06:23 PM
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Well I'm assuming if you're calling yourself incel you can't have sex. That's kind of... what it means. Why do think self proclaimed incels come to TRP? What is it you think they're doing exactly? You're bringing up murder and I'm the one taking it to crazy extremes? You're trolling, right? You're the one implying someone would go to any extreme to fulfill a need. Which is categorically untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 05:00 PM
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In a hypothetical world where it's impossible for them to get other jobs, absolutely that would be my advice. Why is it suddenly 'impossible' in this hypothetical? Who ever said having sex was impossible? If any incels thought that they wouldn't be on TRP. But according to incel ideology don't men need sex? That's why I'm comparing it to an established addiction, because of this idea you need a fix? An addiction and a need is not the same thing. Plenty of people need medication they can't afford…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 04:47 PM
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Mate are you seriously trying to compare not being able to get laid with a time when black people couldn't get jobs? Even as an analogy that's just... hyperbolic at best. Why do people on TRP love to say mate? Are you all a buch of Australians or what? Also I listed like 6 different things, and yes, there are comparable in the context. Anyway, that aside, isn't the whole point of TRP to face the world as it is and work with it? Do you see TRP flair anywhere on my username? Am I going colorblind?…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 04:23 PM
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Encouraging and rewarding delusion does not work, and even if it did work it's not encouraging delusion any less. Everyone seems very quick to mock people like Rachel Dolazel when in reality they are no different from a trans person in that they are mentally unsound and believe in a reality that doesn't exist. What if a grown man believed he was a child and became suicidal he wasn't treated as such? Should society then treat that grown man as if he was a child? Does he get to go back to daycare?…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 04:09 PM
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It gives the source data in the article mate. The point is there is no proof the surgery works. The head of John Hopkins' had it removed specifically because it was enabling the mentally ill. There is no proof suicide lowers post surgery, and on the contrary large amounts of evidence that show the rates are still incredibly high. Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 12:26 AM
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It is comparing the suicide attempts after surgery vs the general population, not before and after surgery. All it is saying is that surgery is not a magic fix, and there should still be psychiatric treatment after SRS: As for the later, I have actually read this in the past, and it does not support the narrative you are trying to paint. In fact, the person who authored this disagrees with people who misattribute the study. Hell, if you doubt the legitimacy of TransAdvocate, she gives a nod to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 12:00 AM
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citation fucking needed http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf Table 5, respondents who said they had received transitionrelated health care or wanted to have it someday were more likely to report having attempted suicide than those who said they did not want it. This pattern was observed across all transition-related services and procedures that were explored in the NTDS. Facts hurt, I know. I suggest reading the whole study. Gender dypho…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 11:08 PM
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I mean, that's a pretty huge difference. One group has beliefs that exist in reality and the other does not. That is the definition of delusion. Society wouldn't hesitate to say a grown man who believes he is a 12 year old child needs therapy, yet we don't say the same thing about a man who believe he is a woman. They are equally impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 10:52 PM
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Is that why trans people are killing themselves at the exact same rate post transition as they are beforehand? That diagnosis is a reflection of our times. Any doctor who came out and said enabling the mentally ill is wrong and the goal should be getting people to accept the body they are in would be publicly destroyed. Just because an institution said it doesn't make them right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 10:48 PM
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It's a combination of genetic and nurture. Whatever the case though is irrelevant. People should be able to fuck whoever they want, children not included. I believe the government shouldn't be involved in marriage or child rearing at all. I probably have some gay friends, but I don't go out of my way to avoid them. I think flagrant homosexuality is pretty sickening to see, honestly, but I'd still defend their right to be weird. I DO think trans people are mentally unstable though, and we shouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 10:27 PM
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A 100% Alpha would always be a criminal or engage in frequent criminal behavior. No respect for the law or authority, no respect for women or human beings in general. Willing to do violence to get their way, probably a sociopath. A narcissist and megalomaniac. Exists to lead and dominate. A 100% beta is his exact opposite. Subservient to everyone around him and puts literally everyone's needs before their own. No confidence whatsoever, mentally and physically weak. Self hating. Bends to any and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 07:50 PM
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And this is exactly what causes so many problems on TRP and in the real world. Some people have direct experience of it. Most don't. But when a small minority says things like that the large majority listens to them because it makes them feel like they have more of a chance. Look at this very thread. Look at the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 03:03 PM
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There's a difference between acting out of self interest and acting like a selfish, petulant child.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 03:00 PM
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"Oh, so you want to be hired for a regular job, black person? Well try becoming a weed dealer how about that? Oh you don't want to do that because it's illegal...well just move to California where it is legal and stop complaining!" -Your argument "Oh just give up everything you've worked for your entire life to move to Las Vegas to spend potentially thousands of dollars on prostitutes! That sounds like a reasonable solution!" The whole "it's illegal" argument is nothing but a weak cop-out. lol. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:54 PM
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This is exactly the Disney movie stuff RedPill is talking about that ugly guys buy because it gives them hope. 99% of the time it doesn't happen that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 08:10 AM
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I don't think they're socialists. I think they're fascists. On the left. Capitalism is by far the best system in the world, in my opinion. It's the only one that actually accounts for human behavior and doesn't view people as ants in an antfarm. The left caused the extremism in the first place. Alt right is still virtually unknown to 99% of Americans. Leftist extremism is mainstream behavior. Not comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 08:03 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism Enjoy. They are very verrrry misguided people, and they are putting people off the idea of socialism for sure. Well probably because socialism is horrible and doesn't work at all, and inevitably leads to horrific shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 05:46 AM
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Whatever. Anyway, it's not an inconsistency, it's a difference. Trump got big by playing the media and positioning himself as an underdog being taken advantage of by them which endeared him to people. The media has tried to slaughter Trump since last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 05:42 AM
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No, it's left. It's fascism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 03:10 AM
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Come on. We both know you were trying to say that I was bias for Trump which somehow means the liberal media agenda doesn't exist. I already said Trump is a part of it too. He does the exact same thing Obama and the rest did.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 03:07 AM
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That's life. Not everybody will be looking out for your best interests 100% of the time. Deal with it or go live in the woods. Nobody cares about robbing you of your agency though, least of all TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 03:05 AM
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We've had this conversation before. No one is out to get you. Not the government and not redpillers. Nobody cares about you. That's not an insult because nobody cares about me either. I don't have any national secrets or military grade weapons. Again, if you distrust everything so much then go live in the woods as a "survivalist." Try that life out for a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:54 AM
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And when did I say that they didn't? What I actually said was that Beast was not "RedPill" just because he was super insecure over the fact he was a hideous monster. The Redpiller in Beauty and the Beast is actually Gaston, yet he was the villian. Beast was OPPOSITE of Gaston, and what attracted Belle to him was his personality and mystery [and Stockholm Syndrome]. Also, I don't see it as unrealistic for someone to fall in love with someone else's charm,humor whatever. It happens. No, you have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:51 AM
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You really think that male incels are doing literally everything they can to have sex? Yeah, I do. Actual incels, anyway. Read some of what the people on this thread describe as daily life. The girl who sleeps with a guy from Craig's list is going to be just as proud of that as the guy who sleeps with a hooker. But do you understand that's not the same? If a guy who brags as much about making $5,000 as the guy who makes $50 it doesn't mean that those two actions are somehow equal just because bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:45 AM
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Yeah, that wasn't the point at all, but nice attempt. The point was that politicians put on whatever face they know will help them get elected regardless of what the facts are. Obama did it, Hilary did it, Bernie did it, and Trump did it. In fact, Trump has been one of the only conservatives in history to apply the left's political strategies in the candidacy bid. Most people like Romney and Rubio and Kasich make the moronic mistake of basing their campaign around issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:40 AM
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When did I say your concerns were meaningless. What I actually said was that this idea that "the world revolves around you" is very common in the western world because people don't understand what they have and aren't able to go through life with any perspective whatsoever. Your statement that you don't want anyone to impose on you something you never asked for is so ridiculous that it defies imagination. The whole foundation of government is that people smarter than us give us a place to live a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:59 AM
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Except he was actually kind and loving deep down...which was the whole point of the movie. And oh yeah, he was also a hideous monster. Nice try ignoring the rest of the post by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:55 AM
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You believe a girl could legitimately go through high school and never get a SINGLE opportunity for over 4 years if she focused on whoring herself out and being a total slut? Around a bunch of boys that just went through puberty? Not a single time? I'm sorry. I don't believe it. Like I said, if she really wanted to make it happen then she could. If incels "need" sex then they won't care about breaking the law or morals. I feel like you're trying to change the subject. Also, those negatives of se…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:53 AM
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I have no idea what a "privilege guilt tactic" is [If we're both entering the oppression Olympics, I'd be willing to bet your privilege far outweighs mine by the way]. Secondly, you don't know what my ideology is either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:49 AM
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Nice job literally only picking movies that fit your narrative. Is there any particular reason you left out "Beauty and the Beast" from your list of Disney movies? Besides, all actors and actresses are hot. But the point of those movies was very rarely "I love this guy because he is hot." In fact most of the time there were other good-looking, arrogant characters that the heroine hated or were even villains. To the main protagonist, looks were secondary. What she falls in love with is his charm,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:47 AM
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Typical western ignorance. It's all about "Me." Me me me me me. I didn't ask for that! I only want things I ask for! I am smarter than everyone else! I am being oppressed by all your rules and laws! Revolting behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:39 AM
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Ok, not sure what your point is then. Male incels want intimacy too. They've repeatedly said so. Otherwise they'd just go to hookers... Most people don't go to hookers because it's illegal and carries a massive moral and STD stigma, not because they want intimacy at the cost of getting laid. Besides, getting a relationship as a man is even easier than getting no strings attached sex. They still can't do it. True incels have no options no matter how much they try. Most women DO have options, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:32 AM
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What do you attribute to your change in political leanings? Working in the media business internationally and seeing how the world actually operates. Yo do realize that in the US our politicians and judges are mostly conservative leaning these days? To say that a liberal dominated media and college mindset is indicative of what's really going on is a bit misguided. Media is far more influential of culture than policy. Liberalism is more or less bred into people, on purpose, in order to fufill ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:15 AM
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The average girl is too uncool to be invited to parties? What about hanging with friends? Or I dunno...talking to people? Are these average girls not getting into relationships or opening their mouths at all either? The point is that there are plenty of things you could do to TRY. If this average girl doesn't do these things that's on her. Following through on that would be the equivalent of a man seeing a prostitute. It's humiliating and not at all validating. Why would that be the equivalent? …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:28 AM
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I leaned moderately left, easing towards libertarian. Over time [not due to TRP] I became much more conservative. TRP is an atmosphere that promotes alt right ideology and vitriol that goes hand in hand with the general anger most alt right people have. And in my opinion, it's often justified. American and western society is so blatantly and horrendously left that any dissenting opinion is seen as akin to sacrilege. The alt right, and TRP, is nothing but a RESPONSE to a liberal dominated media a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:23 AM
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It has nothing to do with want or desire. It has do with illegality, risk of infectious disease, and potentially ruining your career or future home life for a lay. This is like if black people said they couldn't be hired by regular jobs white people get and then responding "Well you can always do work as a coke dealer! Why are you complaining???"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:18 AM
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I have yet to be convinced of this. You're telling me even if she dressed and acted like a slut at parties she wouldn't eventually get laid by SOMEBODY? I don't think that's true at all. Hell, any woman in the world can go on craigslist, post an ad that says "I want to get fucked" and there would be 1000 emails in her inbox the next morning no matter what she looked like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:16 AM
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Where did this assumption come from that incels are only trying to have sex with gorgeous women, or even average women? And that the REAL problem is that they never actually approach anyone on their level of attractiveness? What is the evidence for this statement, because it flies in the face of almost everything incels have ever said?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:12 AM
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That's because our society is full of indoctrinated liberals who think any idea outside their narrow worldview is dangerous to their feelings and must be stopped. These ideas stem from Cultural Marxism and were originally developed by the Frankfurt School in the 1940's then brought over to America once Hitler came to power. The goal of the Frankfurt School was to combat authoritarianism and establish a Utopia, done through Antonio Gramsci's idea of a "quiet revolution" that fed off Freudian impl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 12:14 PM
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Other people are answering what you should and should become as far as dating is concerned, but I'm going to bring up something else you mentioned. Don't be a feminist. For the love of god, please, don't be a feminist. 3rd wave feminism is one of the worst and most harmful ideologies of modern times. It's slightly less evil than fascism and socialism, in only that they are it's inevitable end result. It is responsible for the destruction of the minority community, the destruction of the family, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 05:44 AM
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These may include tendencies towards (for example) reduced physical endurance, enhanced long-term planning, or increased docility, all of which may have been counter-productive in hunter-gatherer societies, but become favoured adaptations in a world of agriculture This isn't evolution. This is de-evolution. All those things come from no longer being killed by our environments and everyone getting a shot at life. I'm talking of modern dictators of complex states here in the last say 500-400 years…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 07:47 PM
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My point is those are skills a leader may require. We don't want weak leaders. Yes! We want strong leaders! Because if we didn't have strong leaders in the past we would literally die. This is the point of leadership. When I'm saying we are literally bred to follow our leaders, where do you get from that that I'm saying it's entirely cultural? What I'm saying it that over thousands of years culture affects our genetics just as genetics affects our culture. Please explain to me how thousands of y…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 02:24 PM
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This is exactly it. It's like asking a genius piano player for lessons and they tell you to just "feel the music." Well how the fuck do I do that? Our experiences dictate the type of advice we give, and women have never experienced what it's like to be the taker and not the takee.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 11:14 AM
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The uncharismatic don't effectively inspire and boost moral people so they cannot lead as effectively, it makes sense that people would be wary of weak and enfeebled leaders because they may not last. ...Ok? And? What is your point? however I do think it's socially cultivated to a huge degree. Animals also focused on following the strongest, most experienced, whatever because it's socially cultivated. But that cultivation is part of instinct. It pays to follow that guy because he's the one that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 02:22 AM
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I mean, SMV does stand for sexual market value You mean getting a job? Don't you want women to have jobs so you aren't BB? No? I meant in relation to your points.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 02:14 AM
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I think you're right. Right now, at the current moment, men do have more power in the SMP than feminists. But women have more power in the SMP than men. And feminists are slowly convincing women to embrace a lifestyle/point of view that gives men even less power. This is the why there is a push-back against feminism as far as SMP is concerned. I'm personally not that worried about it though. What I AM worried about though is the fact that feminism is an evil corporate run shadow entity bent on k…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 10:55 PM
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Exactly and empathy is from our primitive brain, it's not derived from cold hard reason and why would it be. Or sociopathy. On the other hand we can't give an ape a desk job and expect them to fit right in. You couldn't give an uncivilized human a desk job either. It's generally damaged minds, created by accident of birth or emotional abuse that become this way. Irrelevant. Whatever caused it is not the point. The point is sociopathic people often become leaders with millions of followers. Why w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 09:25 PM
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They're people like Henry Kissinger and Genghis Khan and Robert Mugabe and Hitler who are sociopaths and hold no regard for human life and have little to zero compassion or empathy. Or entire civilization was molded by lunatic conquerors and violent dictators. I don't know who's to say what our instincts would be. We can use critical thought and observe how primates act. Humans being left alone in the wild wouldn't act much different than more intelligent apes. Do you think humans wouldn't rape …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 08:52 PM
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Really? Huh??? Are you saying society has NOT been set back by violent massacres? What are you smoking? If we look at many packs of animals like wolfs for example it's not the strongest, biggest, most violent, wolf in the pack. But the eldest male the one with the most experience in hunting, defending territory. So? I don't care about wolves because we have observable data from human beings and other primates. There's a reason women like six foot tall guys with muscles. There's a reason sociopat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 08:26 PM
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I have no clue who you are, but I doubt I said it's okay for an alpha to be scared. What I probably said was that it doesn't make someone beta if they obey the law. Which is an accurate statement, and more than likely you were using "beta" indiscriminately with "pussy."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 08:25 PM
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No, I understand your comment. I still stand by what I said though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 01:42 PM
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Yep, I agree. Uniform equality is just socialism anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 04:58 AM
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Then maybe you should wait longer and actually take marriage just a wee bit more seriously then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 04:56 AM
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Anyone who think words are unsafe should be taken out into the street and shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 04:46 AM
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I like the dictionary's definition, even if I know it has no bearing on human life, and when actually applied to human life, has disasterous results. What are you talking about? How can a term have disasterous results? It is describing things that already exist in our world. Why do you accept a definition that you know is more wrong than right, given our context? We're not discussing zoology. People aren't animals anymore? I think it perfectly fits our context considering we are discussing human…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 01:35 AM
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No, having alpha qualities is not the same as being a badass. Having confidence ad being charismatic is alpha. Being independent is as well. Being physically strong and sexually dominant is an alpha quality. Badasses are badasses BECAUSE they have a lot of alpha qualities, but the more and more qualities you pick up the more you start getting towards the negative end of that stick as well: Narcissism, rudeness, lack of empathy, aggression, intolerance for ideas other than your own, selfishness, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 01:27 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 01:18 AM
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You're probably right. But all that is irrelevant to what alpha means. Alphas are the strongest, biggest, most violent, animals in any pack. Would the alpha male of a lion pride dying while stranded on mars make him any less of an alpha? Well...no, obviously. So why would that be the case for a person? Society has been set back thousands of years by alpha assholes who have killed much more intelligent people than them because they were insane and violent. But words don't change their meaning jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 01:16 AM
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You said that alpha is synonymous with leadership ability. Psychopaths are toxic leaders by definition. It is. Alphas are leaders. I never said they were good leaders, but people are naturally inclined to follow them. Defining the epitome of alpha as psychopathy leads people in the wrong direction. An alpha may have a touch of narcissism about them, but by the time you hit malignant narcissism you've missed the mark Because...why? You imply that to be a true alpha, you need to be a would-be tyra…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 01:02 AM
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But that's not what alpha means. That's not even a possible interpretation of the dictionary definition of what alpha means. The dictionary definition is strictly about dominance. Maybe what you're describing is an admirable quality and it may be one trait alphas have, but it is not remotely the complete picture because it doesn't account for the most critical aspect of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 12:58 AM
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Only sheep and fellow wolves admire other wolves. As for psychopaths in power, LBJ was one - he was a great President. /s I don't know why you're acting like I'm saying that psychopaths make outstanding leaders or something. I'm just saying they become leaders because people are attracted to those qualities. It seems like you're validating my arguments for me. I have no idea what your stance is. Why does one need to be a full-fledged alpha when it's pretty clear a true alpha, by your definition,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 12:42 AM
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Sure. People admire and gravitate towards psychopaths and people that don't seem complacent with societies rules as long as they have leadership capabilities. A psychopathic loner winds up in a mental home, a psychopathic leader winds up the head of a country. Ernest Shackleton has alpha qualities, sure. Lots of people do. Brad Pitt does. Cristiano Ronaldo does as well. Does this mean they are full fledged alphas? No. I'm not making a value judgement on alphas. I don't think Ghengis Khan or Puti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 12:04 AM
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You got it captain
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 11:41 PM
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How are racial slurs evil or destructive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 11:35 PM
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No. It's mainly about leadership, but not just in the way we traditionally think of leadership. It's also about a more primal form of leadership with an emphasis on things like dominance and aggression. So a woman can have alpha traits, but because most women are biologically non-confrontational and more emotionally sensitive, they can very very rarely become full fledged alphas. This is why history is told through the lens of a patriarch, in my opinion. Society was run by ruthless, violent, con…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 11:30 PM
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That behavior is only classified as criminal because recent history has decided it is. For 99.9% of human history, you WANTED to serve under the guy who killed people and raped women because chances are if you didn't, someone just like that would kill and rape you instead. Alpha males are mainly extremely self-interested men that more or less follow the law of the jungle. The most True alphas males are almost all criminals and this lifestyle is idolized. Rich, answer to no one, surrounded by wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 10:36 PM
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No. He has alpha qualities. Imagine alpha/beta as a slider. At one end is alpha at the other beta. Chad Thundercock is more on the alpha side of the slider, but he's nowhere near the end of it. He isn't a true alpha. Someone like Genghis Khan is a true alpha. Those people aren't necessarily admirable. They are just powerful violent, leaders, and this power attracts followers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 10:27 PM
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Assertive, charismatic, fearless women and men are not necessarily alpha. This is a big problem with both Red and Bluepill. They have some idea of what alpha is: the schoolyard jock, Beyoncé, whatever, and that image is not quite accurate. Here's a general rule of thumb for me when trying to decide whether or not someone is alpha: Imagine the person in charge of a crime ring. Would they take command? Could they control other criminals and demand respect? Could they break the law unflinchingly? D…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 08:54 PM
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It literally says so right there in the description.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 09:57 AM
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This is actually a fallacy. Black people are not discriminated against by law enforcement and the courts. Police officers are actually more likely to kill a white person for the same crime, and black and white people are sentenced at very nearly equal rates if you account for black repeat offenders who get harsher sentences. Not only that, but if you look at the amount of arrests made against black people it matches exactly the amount of reported crimes against them. Police racism is the greates…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 09:40 AM
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A lot of men are also into MILFs and black women, and yet it's rare you'll see 45yr old cougar or an 'ebony' chick on the front page of many subs either. Because those aren't the majority taste, obviously. The point was that being 'conventionally attractive' is determined by majority taste. Which is correct. I don't think anyone is saying nobody in the world finds fat women attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 11:16 PM
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There are subs devoted to women with big tits, blondes, Asian women, and so on. Doesn't stop them from being on the front pages of the more mainstream subs. It's pretty obviously representative of majority taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 10:56 PM
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I can respect anybody trying to do a good thing and not putting their morals behind an agenda or their ego. TRP needs more people like you to balance out the gutter trash on the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 10:17 PM
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It's the same thing with a different name and more people. Are you for real here?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 10:15 PM
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Your point is inane. Some people here are red, some are blue, some like parts of red but thinks parts are shit. We come here to talk freely about ideas without getting debate censored like it would be on TRP, considering the mods there are a bunch of sensitive pussies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 10:14 PM
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Well...yes. When someone says "This thing never happens" and you say "It happened to me" anecdotal evidence is sufficient to repudiate your claims in that instance. Even then there are actual studies on this very page showing proof that women use this strategy. You are wrong on every conceivable level. You literally have no compelling argument at all, just insults. You can keep going if you really need the validation though. I don't mind being your outlet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 04:06 PM
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I don't post on TRP for one. I also disagree with a lot of the damaging marketing techniques Vanguards use to push their ideals onto young angry losers who are looking for a support group and will embrace anything no matter how ridiculous and hyperbolic it may seem to normal people. And I believe that while the general concepts of TRP are often correct, the theory behind those ideas are usually totally unscientific and leads to some bizarre theories about human behavior that shifts and transform…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 11:36 PM
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Well considering all those women became either my girlfriends or long term dating partners afterwards, I'd have to say none of them referred to me as a "fucking creeper." Nice attempt at shaming me and the women I've been with though! Who the fuck do you think holds more clout in what women's supposed fetishes are, some knuckle dragging, mouth breathing nerd who resorts to the internet to tell him how to get laid and become alpha Oh ho ho! What a burn! I'm sure after you typed that out you smirk…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 11:20 PM
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Whether or not you think it is a shitty concept is irrelevant to what actually happens in the real world. Some of us are actually mature enough to discuss this without being reduced to cringe worthy white knights and groveling feminist boot-lickers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 03:09 PM
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So all those times I had sex with women who did this, who then later admitted they didn't want me to think they were easy is in my imagination? What about the studies linked on thise very page that show nearly 40% of freshman college students at a particular university used this technique at least once in their lives? Time for another tale of "I'm a feminist and facts don't matter because I have a vagina" hosted by u/rainbowbarfff.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 11:40 AM
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This is pretty much it exactly and the entire reason I'm not a redpiller. Many of the ideas are great and have a ton of merit. Some are shit, but no ideology is 100% accurate. But the TRP board is more or less a congregation of internet equivalent of pond scum and pretenders. I can totally get why TRP makes women scrunch up their face.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 08:26 AM
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I don't really care what you are, but I hate it when people are reality denying hypocrites that base their worldview on duplicity and feminist falsehoods. Just because you aren't a bra burning lunatic doesn't mean you can't push common bullshit feminist talking points. Anyway, if that's not what you meant then whatever. It isn't. But seeing your responses to the original posters idea and mine were wildly different and illustrated a certain amount of bias whether you admit it or not. I just go ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 08:01 AM
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Maybe if more men would take 'no' seriously and tell women who play games like that "I'm not going to rape you on the off chance you're into it" This is making men accountable for what women do. It pushes the responsibility to men for what women say and how they act instead of taking their words at face value. .No, I'd say it's more societies fault that women think they need to act a certain way in bed. But men are definitely encouraging it. Who is this mysterious society you keep talking about …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 07:48 AM
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No it is NOT. It is placing the accountability on men to DO that in the first place. Taking accountability means taking responsibility for your OWN actions, whereas u/SpaceWhiskey is saying men need to do that for women since they are incapable of being clear themselves. Nothing you said in your second paragraph has anything to do with my second point. It's a strawman argument. The actual issue is that u/SpaceWhiskey said literally: Women do it because men expect it. which is again removing blam…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 07:36 AM
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I think you would honestly be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:38 PM
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The only real answer. Ugly chicks make great friends normally.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:37 PM
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That's not what your OP said. First you said Token Resistance shouldn't be common. Then you asked if Redpillers viewed sex this way, implying asking for reaffirmation that TR was common. Then you said that anyone who experiences this is a borderline rapist. Please explain to me where you asked what TRP recommended doing when she says to stop or wait. Clearly I'm missing something because I'm not seeing it. I think you have a different definition of "forcing your way through resistence". If I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:35 PM
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Holy shit, is this comment satire? Just to summarize here: Women have no accountability for their actions It's men's fault that women have certain kinks Men should take responsibility for when women play hard to get 'Society' [Patriarchy, I'm assuming] has conditioned guys to push past, not women who encourage this behavior This is grade-A farm-raised feminist insanity and it's absolutely incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:17 PM
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Yeah, except the problem is those people only tell one side of the story and completely ignore the fact that a huge portion of women actually do mean 'yes' when they say 'no' but for some reason we all need to ignore that and focus on how men are disgusting rapist pigs because of patriarchy or whatever. OP's inability to acknowledge reality is a BAD thing. It isn't always black and white, and anyone who makes it seem as though human beings are robots that must stick to a feminist script before s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:02 PM
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Yeah, it would have been just asking questions if your point of view, that you made very clear in your OP, wasn't that "forcing your way through resistance" is borderline illegal and wrong. You are automatically characterizing anyone who accepts the challenge of Token Resistance as a morally repugnant potential rapist. You may have been asking questions and inviting open responses, but there was already a strong implicit bias in place designed to frame redpillers a certain way, likely for cheap …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:47 PM
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Do you see redpill anywhere in my flair? I act how I believe, and I make the effort to at least remotely understand my subject matter before making a thread painting redpillers as rapists. I think that's a shitty thing to do. What happens when incels on RP read what you write and take it literally? You consider that good advice for them? Considering I literally said that it was important to pick up on social cues, left multiple examples of when it was okay to move forward under Token Resistance …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:15 PM
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Uh-huh. I do. I suspect you can't say the same. Do you? Do you really? Because I see nothing involving rape in that statement. That's not quite true. How many discussion have there been around here about social awkwardness? Discussions about autism? To advise these folks to ignore verbal cues and rely on what they think the other person is feeling/thinking is irresponsible. So when I say "regular human beings" you bring up social retards and autists. OK, because that's not specifically disingenu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:07 PM
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Nope. Not rapey at all. Well. yeah. It's not. Do you know what rape is? It's not reasonable to 'assume'. That's absurd. Only if you're completely divorced from reality. There is a very clear difference between being playful, resolute, and just shy/nervous. Regular human beings can tell the difference between these things relatively easy. I do not know why feminists pretend like people are robots that are just incapable of picking up on tone or implied meaning. It's like you've never held an inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 08:37 PM
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See, again. There's your bias. You think just because I talk to judgemental feminist losers on the internet in a certain tone, that I'm going to talk to women I want to bang in the same way. My goal is getting laid. If a woman is naked in my home it means she wants sex but is too nervous to go through with it. Making her feel she's not being forced into anything and I am equally vulnerable is a good way to get her to relax and stop over-thinking the situation and leads to what I want. This is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 08:29 PM
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"Let's take it down a notch and do what you're comfortable with. I'm pretty nervous too." De-escalate back to making out, ramp up to body kissing, pussy eating, etc. Chance of boning over 90% probability. If she wants to do nothing but go home then she'll go home and there won't be anything I can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 08:07 PM
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Or maybe you're just taking "power through" in the wrong way, again, because you are bias and have the preconceived notion that redpillers are all rapists and you are the pussy whisperer. Power through does not mean raping a woman who LEGITIMATELY does not want to be there, who makes an attempt to leave, and who is very firmly saying "No, I do not want this." As the above poster said, there is a very clear line and a very large difference between different types of "No's."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:41 PM
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First comment is Archwinger who doesn't phrase thing is a pretty way, but he is not advocating rape. Second comment also is not advocating rape either, considering you ignored the sentence which comes right afterwards that says "don't force yourself on someone." The problem is bluepillers and feminists have shitty imaginations, and the only scenario they can imagine for "get a bit rough" is one where a guy is straddling the girl and using UFC techniques on her until she says yes through two swol…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:35 PM
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Do you realize this is evidence totally contrary to your opinion? How could you possibly believe this backs up your arguments when she is literally saying "No" but actually wants it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:10 PM
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Sometimes women can want to have sex but want to make it known they aren't easy lays. I know it's incredible that not every single world view on planet earth matches your own but you'll just have to trust me on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:04 PM
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Bull. You seemed perfectly capable of accepting the idea low value men go for high value women and incapable of accepting otherwise based on your responses. You did not indicate in any way you found redmachines comment fallacious and any reasonable person would take suggesting a reason why this might be so to mean you implicitly agreed with the concept on some level. If someone says "Ducks fly south for the winter," and then I say "Do you think that's because they are moving to warmer climates?"…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:00 PM
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Literal evidence of token resistance in action. ... Believe that if you want.. Translation: "My pre-conceived feminist bias based on nothing does not match up with the facts, therefore the facts are wrong"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 06:53 PM
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Yeah, excuse me if I don't take deleted troll comments too seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 06:50 PM
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What comments? All I see is other people saying you're wrong. Your preconceived bias is preventing you from acknowledging that though. Men, like women, are perfectly within their rights to lobby for things they want from their partners or potential partners. Women can push men to stop being deadbeats. Women can push men to spend more time with them. Men can push women to clean the house more. Men can push women to have sex. Our pussywhipped society is so backwards and bitch-made that the idea of…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 06:36 PM
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Oh, I do indeed do it. But my body would be better if I never did it. So you're just a holier than thou hypocrite. Gtfo with all that. You know what you were doing. You were trying to make it seem like it was some dangerous activity and "wasn't worth it." Now you're backpedalling. But, I do. Risking infertility and many other problems probably isn't worth it for many people. I know one guy who experimented with it and now he suffers from several problems. He was the the king of natural T also. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 06:21 PM
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You are very clearly implying that low value men go for the hottest girls. Now you're saying you never made that argument. Don't be disingenuous with semantic bullcrap.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 06:18 PM
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Nice click-bait strategy trying to frame the comment as sexual assault when it's not. Pretty scummy on your part imo. Anyway, the truth is that plenty of women like being chased. Many women would like having sex with a man but don't want to feel like they are giving it up to early because it makes them look like sluts. There are also plenty of women who are cheated on/have bad relationships that are worried about giving it up because they feel like their SO will leave them right afterwards. Like…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 06:14 PM
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I would hope so...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 05:53 PM
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Lol, and you shouldn't eat fast food. So you're saying eating fast food is dangerous and risky behavior that you never do? OR are you saying that overindulging anything can lead to problems as can over-eating in general, the internet, and sex. If I had healthy levels I wouldn't risk those side effects if I could do it the old fashioned way. That's because you have different goals, probably. Like I already said, taking test and other growth hormones can and do change your facial structure. I'm no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 11:01 AM
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So do you think maybe it is men who are more unaware of their own SMV since they are never really given attention for their looks? Would that explain why the low value ones still go for the hottest girls instead of trying for someone within their own attractiveness range first? Uhh.... I really don't believe that the ugliest people of either gender are going after the hottest people of the opposite sex. I don't think people are typically that delusional. This is why I can't hold debates on this …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:52 AM
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Well...yeah. 75% of Americans are overweight. So lifting would kind of change that. Why are you assuming that most men who start lifting are at healthy weights to begin with? [See: they aren't] Taking testosterone can have dozens of side effects like liver damage, heart disease, baldness, acne, infertility, and dependence upon it By this logic you shouldn't eat fast food either for the exact some reasons. Everything is okay in moderation. I hate it when people like you make it seem like taking t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:49 AM
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You're reasoning is very strange. Humans have NEVER been biologically attracted to one mate and one mate only over the course of their entire lives. Hence they are not a monogamous species. It is very simple. Marriage was a social structure used in order to create alliances between families that eventually evolved into a more complex system, but even in the early days of marriage there was no concept of monogamy or cheating or adultery at all. I mean, this is still the case NOW in many parts of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:42 AM
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In this context, he was making the point that your genetics can't change how your face looks. Optimizing your genetic potential is really no different in the context of the argument. Going with this option if you already have healthy testosterone levels is not a great idea, and it will not magically change your bone structure. Why is it not a great idea? DYEL
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 12:30 PM
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Why is this so amazing to you? I honestly don't get it. You are so ready to accept men do this all the time but you refuse to believe women do it? You're sexist yo. I'm not holding any standards up for anyone with this discussion. What do you even mean? Of course you are. If I said "Ugly men approach hot women all the time because they have nothing to lose" you'd totally agree with me. But I'm saying "ugly women approach hot men all the time because they have nothing to lose" youre like THAT'S T…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 12:25 PM
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You could say the same thing about communism and socialism as well. Do you believe those styles of governments are inherently evil or perhaps maybe the people running them are evil and embrace those styles of governments because it gives them more control?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 12:22 PM
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Capitalists, communists, and socialists have all invaded other countries, committed genocide, and committed war crimes as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 07:10 PM
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It's not feminine, just like having muscles isn't masculine. All humans have muscles. But men are usually stronger than women, and women usually whine more than men. Men are also usually violent, or rude, or insensitive. The word dick is clearly an insult. Different standards again. And it's a 100% male gendered word. The implication here is that acting like a rude asshole is a typically male behavior. Which it is. Who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 11:00 PM
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Because if ugly girls want to get laid they actually need to speak to men and figure out what works. Pretty girls don't need to do this because they will be approached. I honestly don't think 90% most women understand how easy it would be to get the guy of their dreams, because all they'd have to do is ask. knew who the most popular guys were and that they were busy with the more popular girls so just went with cute boys that liked me. Exactly you had cute guys you already liked. You had no reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 10:54 PM
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Depends on the context. But yeah I'd say women whine more often than guys do as a whole. I mean it's not cool to insult anybody, but you've never called anybody a dick before? What do you think that's implying?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 10:47 PM
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Probably because girls are weaker than men, so you are saying your brother throws a ball significantly weaker than what a man should be capable of. The second example is the same thing in a different context.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 10:32 PM
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So what does that say that you hate that the boy is doing it? It means you see it as bad behavior No or wrong for him to be doing it, right? Correct. Why are girls encouraged to have masculine interests while the reverse is not true for boys? Why are tomboys seen as acceptable but the term for a girlish boy doesn't even exist? Can you answer those for me? I dunno. Probably because women aren't attracted to homosexuality and men elevate that status on things women like. That could be bs though. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 10:10 PM
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I'm not insulting you or anything, jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:46 PM
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No, just in general. You have a serious thing for bikers
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:42 PM
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Do you think ugly girls want to get laid with the leftovers nobody wants or the hot guy? Why wouldn't they take the risk if it meant a possible yes? There's a pretty high chance hot men will actually say yes because they're horny and a sure thing is better than nothing. You're looking at it from a perspective of someone that doesn't get how male brains work. Ugly party chicks get it. They want to bang. They know they need to be vocal to get what they want. And they know a drunk dude has a 50/50 …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:42 PM
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You're going to get downvotes here because it seems you've already judged MRA's to be inherently negative. An MRA is someone who recognizes that there are certain legal practices that are very unfair to men such as divorce law, while also acknowledging that as a society we are less likely to draw attention to and divert funds towards distinctly male problems [lower graduation rates, higher homelessness rates, higher suicide rates]. MRA's are usually against feminism [not women] because feminism …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:37 PM
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So much anger. It sounds like you need Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:29 PM
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you have an obsession
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:27 PM
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That's the opposite of what TRP says so I don't know where you're getting that from. TRP actually says women will approach you if you're SMV is high enough. Are you saying ugly fat women are really approaching and trying to go after the hottest guys? Uhh..obviously? I've literally never seen or heard anything like that in my life. Haha, see that shows just how far separated you are from the male experience and caught in a feminist bubble. Situational bias. Ugly women are always the first ones to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:18 PM
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Yes he does, if it is his son that is doing them. No, he doesn't. You aren't grasping the logic here. You either like something or you don't. You hate it or you don't. You don't start hating that thing because a boy is doing it. You hate that the boy is doing it. Do you see how this is now a different argument from "Men hate feminine things!" No they don't. That's just not true. That's what I mean about masculine seen as a positive...if I had done girl scouts instead of played soccer, I don't th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:10 PM
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Yeah, and guess what, there is a reason men cannot walk around shirtless in malls and restaurants. Because you are exposing yourself. I love how you say stupid shit like comparing a literal shirtless person to clothing. It's hilarious. men easily wear things equally/more revealing but men's bodies/clothing arent sexualized in the same way. Hahaha like what? You named shorts that were popular for working out in the 1980's and nothing else. And when it comes to men's bodies being sexualized, you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 02:53 PM
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How is it hateful when it's the truth? Are you seriously telling me a 40 year old man with tits and long feminine hair doesn't look really weird? The fact they have adam's apples and deep ass voices isn't unusual as hell? That's normal behavior? What if I got fingers sewn into my forehead, you wouldn't be a bit disturbed by that? What if I removed one of my eyes and put it in my tongue? That's not weird? Then why is putting tits on a man not weird then? It is. It's just your too wrapped up in so…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 02:43 PM
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But if the father has a little girl, and he's cool with the little girl riding the teacup, do you realize it means he doesn't have a problem with the teacup but the action of the child? Which means this: Masculine things are generally seen as a positive. Is fucking bullshit. It's not like the dad sees the feminine thing as negative at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:55 AM
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Or maybe it's because transgender women usually look fucking like grown men with long hair and tits, and it's disturbing and bizarre. But transgender men look like regular women with a short hair cut and baggy clothes. If trans men looked like monstrosities from another planet they'd probably be killing themselves more often too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:52 AM
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And ugly fat women don't try going after hot guys too? Give me a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:45 AM
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The idea that single fathers raise more well-adjusted children than single mothers. Never said that. Single fathers are shit too. But I already said that, you just glossed over it because you have your own little agenda. Oh, but have we forgotten the little fact that women get custody far more often than men because men don't want custody of their kids? Nobody forgot. You are 100% convinced that women have kids specifically to kick their fathers to the curb and live some weird made-up life of lu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:40 AM
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It's actually a horrible point that totally ignores reality. But whatever. Feminism is all about just saying shit and all the women going, "Yeah! That sounds about right!" I think the fact that it is seen as cool for girls to do boyish things but weird for boys to do girly things shows how much the male is seen as the default and female is seen as negative. If this was the case men wouldn't like women to do girly stuff either. Which is...obviously false. Are you honestly saying that most women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:25 AM
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there's also the element that women's outfits are inherently sexual while men's clothing is considered the norm. Do you realize that feminine clothing is inherently sexual because it is tight as fuck and often times very revealing? How are shorts that end two inches below a woman's pussy not sexual? How is a low cut top or a tight shirt that allows me to see the outline of your tits not sexual? You are basically naked with colors painted on. Don't even get me started on yoga pants, and mini-skir…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:18 AM
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Of course you can, how dumb. Losing fat in the face typically makes men more attractive. Taking care of your hygiene and appearance, and styling your hair also increase physical attractiveness. If you're skinny, working out and putting on mass gives you a more masculine look, and if all else fails test and tren can give you a squarer jawline and more manly features. Besides the face isn't the only part of the human body women like. Having an average face, great body, a good job, and a charismati…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 12:32 AM
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Providing millions upon millions of more jobs isn't something that happens with a snap of the fingers and a twirl of the hat. Who's creating those jobs, where is the capital coming from, what resources do you need? A larger country means you have to become less dependent on foreign imports which small countries usually are. You need more large scale factories, more low level labour jobs, and so and so forth. If your country doesn't have it's own auto manufacturers for example, suddenly the amoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:57 PM
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That's...what...can you read? I'm saying THAT is what TRP is about. It is about ONS and avoiding divorce rape. Whatever your comment is focused on is neither of those two things and therefore doesn't reflect TRP. Actually one of the main points of TRP is "don't be a supplicating boyfriend/husband that gets taken advantage of" so I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that redpillers are all angry because they don't have hot wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 03:34 PM
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No. No it wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:57 AM
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I can't CYV because I tend to agree. I was actually on the verge of writing a post about this myself (so boo, you whore). Yesterday (I think) I saw a comment in one of these subs by a guy on this very issue. That men used to be able to just bring a decent income to the table was enough to secure an attractive mate is indeed true and that this is not now the case does indeed seem to make them very, very angry. Sounds like you're not talking about getting getting laid or being divorce raped, huh. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:47 AM
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Your country has less than 25 million people in it. You are literally more than ten times smaller than America. Why do you think it is that the smaller a country is, the more successful it is? And what does that say about the relation between the USA and Australia?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:45 AM
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Please do not act like your arguments are well-supported. You've taken a bunch of phenomena with complex, multi-tiered causes and worked backwards to make it about your personal narrative against single mothers... The fact is that single mothers raise criminals more often than parents who stay together. Fact. Feminism is a proponent of no-fault divorce. Fact. Most people initiate no-fault divorce are women. Fact. The divorce rate and single parenthood rates have been rising exponentially for yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:38 AM
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Right? What a stupid CMV. Improving your looks and SMV is literally the entire point of the sub. That's literally why Chad Thundercock is so popular with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:22 AM
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Except RedPill is mainly concerned with getting laid and not being divorce raped, so what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 06:20 AM
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And a lot of homeless are not mentally ill people who can't afford medication, although very clearly I wasn't talking about them anyway, and I did mention quite a number of other points. As someone who also doesn't live in America, you'd be surprised. American leftist culture, and feminist culture by extension, is nothing but an attempt to demonize those who are better off than you, ignore the cultural problems of minorities in favor of blaming white people leading to the gradual destabilization…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 08:43 AM
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Compare the homeless rates in countries like Australia and England to those of America. Why would I do that? They are different countries. What the hell does lack of socialized medicine have to do with anything? You're a Sanders supporter aren't you? I don't think forcing the parents of criminals to stay married stops them from becoming criminals. You realize this is a strawman of ridiculous proportions, correct, and addresses approximately zero of anything I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 08:31 AM
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I like how you didn't have a single rebuttal to my arguments, just said "You're wrong" with no facts or examples at all. The majority of black single mothers barely even take care of their kids which is why they are turning to crime in the first place. They aren't involved in their kids educational careers, they don't stop their kids association with gangs and criminals, they don't stop sexualization of young girls [after all this is what they did]. These women are provided for by the state and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 08:28 AM
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Of course they do. That's what no fault divorce is and it's why divorce rates have jumped through the roof in recent years. Single parenthood specifically single motherhood is more or less idealized in our liberal media. Everyone talks about how strong, and brave, and deserving of our deepest respect these women are. Our legal system also rewards single motherhood with government mandated money taken from unwilling fathers by gunpoint and welfare. This creates a system in lower class black commu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 01:26 AM
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It absolutely is. Feminism isn't spread by door to door salesmen peddling the vagina monologues. It's through television, music, the internet, radio, the public school system, and so on. Beyoncé singing "All the single ladies" is extremely culturally relevant. The sexual revolution hurt lower class black people worst of all, starting with the spread of std and hiv in particular. Rappers only took advantage of the decline that was already in progress, and the feminist movement had already taken h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 02:51 PM
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Of course good marriages can end in divorce, how stupid. I don't care abut your personal anecdotes, I am talking about facts. And the facts clearly show a direct correlation between single parenthood, crime, and poverty. Feminism made it acceptable and commendable to be a single mother. Well guess what, single mothers breed poor criminals more often than parents who stay together. Single parenthood makes up 70% in the black community and disenfranchised fatherless men are committing 50% of the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 11:30 AM
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No fault divorce is most frequently used by women. This is a fact. I don't care whether it helps men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 11:18 AM
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Does the rising single parenthood, rising depression, rising national inequity, rising homelessness, rising gang violence, and rising minority imprisonment make you happy as well? Because these are all directly related to the instability of single parent households and the devaluation of the family unit. You can't let feminism take credit for the good shit and pretend all the bad is someone else's fault. Feminism may have solved the problem of "unhappy marriages" but created quite a large number…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 11:17 AM
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Most women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 01:05 AM
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That's the responsibility of feminism for destroying the family unit, embracing single parenthood, embracing no fault divorce, and encouraging sexual deviancy. Black single parenthood was 20% in the 60's and today it's at 70%. White single parenthood was 7% in the 60's and 20% today. Feminism is literally destroying communities and the lives of children by encouraging this selfish, vapid, egotistical behavior. Even if we have a genetic drive to do something, tell people they're wrong enough time…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 01:02 AM
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He specifically mentioned the internet, most likely in regards to this forum. I don't think anyone is talking about daily interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 12:52 AM
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You don't understand RedPill. RedPill is not about being alpha. It's about incorporating some alpha qualities into your life. Most betas will never become alphas, because alphas simply do not care about the women around them. If they don't want a woman who cheats then they will just go fuck another one and leave the old one in the dust. Most people on TRP aspire to be high betas. That is they have some alpha qualities, but still value things like companionship and respect. In the same way it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 12:50 AM
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Wanna be a basketball whore? Get treated like a basketball whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 03:38 PM
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I'm a biracial guy with a black mother and a native American father. u/salmon69 is absolutely right. Black Lives matter is horrible and black culture in general is incredibly destructive and negative. There's plenty of unjust racial crime in America but it's primarily happening to criminals committed by high strung officers in danger zones which makes them more prone to pulling triggers. The bigger problem is never discussing the cultural issues that lead to these deaths in the first place, or e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/16 12:21 PM
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I deny that there's one type of club/bar/party, where one type of guy (the muscled dickhead) is always going to be the most successful. I didn't say that. I don't know why you are adding in the qualifier that muscle bound jacks will be successful literally everywhere. But I'm not going to do that because I understand my experiences alone can't be used to make assumptions about general trends. Then you should stop responding now. I am, and have always been talking about trends. I don't even do on…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 03:31 AM
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They factually do though. It isn't really up for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 03:21 AM
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Just because I don't think all people are inherently liars doesn't mean I think all people don't lie at some point. All lies are not created equal, and overtly manipulating someone is something that in my experience most people do not do. No, sexual strategy is amoral because it is neither good nor bad, moral or immoral, it just works. Being confident has nothing to do with morality. Lying is immoral and dishonest. Hence why TRP recommends not to lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 09:36 AM
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I understand TRP perfectly well Apparently not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 09:32 AM
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You deny that clubs, bars, parties and other similar places are not the most common meeting area for casual sex? How often do you have the opportunity to observe a woman pick a partner for casual sex and then interview her about why she made that choice? You agreed with me further down that this point was correct, but you say now I need to interview all women I see to validate my correct assumptions? Debating like this is useless. Either present and alternative argument or don't, but let's not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 09:32 AM
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You don't understand TRP. Go back and try reading the literature a second time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:03 AM
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My own experiences and observations, obviously. Raging dickheads with muscles and confidence go to clubs and easily get laid. Nice guys who are good looking go to clubs and easily gets laid. Very rarely do I see any ONS decide to sleep with a man because one held the door open for her and the other did not. It's almost always because he is funnier, more confident, better looking, or more charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:02 AM
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I never said it did. TRP isn't trying to cultivate more or less niceness. It's just trying to give men the tools they actually need to have to get laid which has nothing to do with how nice they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:00 AM
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Human decency I guess? Yes, I do believe the majority of women aren't liars. TRP advocates being honest with plates. Any more questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 02:11 PM
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I've never seen a redpiller lambast a woman for exercising in any way, unless they're fatties, try it for a few days then quit because it's too hard and blame their disgusting appearance on genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 02:06 PM
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I think it's evolution. My argument is supported by nothing but human beings have not evolved to sit around in chairs all day typing shit and reading on the internet. Men are SUPPOSED to be lifting heavy stuff, running through fields, killing things with our bare hands, and fucking lots of women. This is what our lizard brains are programmed to do, and lifting weights validates one corner of that unconscious drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 02:04 PM
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When it comes to casual sex I'd say niceness is relatively meaningless. It may count for something, but as long as the guy isn't a raging asshole it probably isn't even a factor at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 01:58 PM
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I don't care what individual redpillers think. TRP has always said the whole reason women are not interested in nice guys is because they are over-reliant on being a good person and not cool, interesting, funny, or attractive. That is the WHOLE POINT of the sub. Why is it do you think TRP encourages lifting so much? To make men nicer?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 03:54 AM
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Not on RedPill there isn't. That's the exact opposite of what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 03:44 AM
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Yes, this is what RedPill states very clearly. Women say they want nice guys, but they actually want interesting, confident, cool guys who may or may not be nice. TRP explains that to men who are too dense to pick up on it themselves. Literally everything in this post is RP 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 03:28 AM
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Let me know how that social studies class goes, I hope you do well. If I were you I'd spend less time on your t-shirt business and more time getting ready for finals.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 03:02 AM
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This whole post is justifying your personal worldview because you don't know anything different.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 02:51 AM
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That's a very rare occurrence. The majority of men are not liars, and neither are redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 02:50 AM
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Top kek. Not breaking the law because you have a job and responsibilities means you're a "pussy." Don't you have some homework to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 02:22 AM
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lol, some people actually have things worth losing for breaking the law, and responsibilities beyond getting blazed and going to gender studies 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 12:29 PM
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Kek. So first it was bad but once you look stupid now it's not? K LOL at red pillers and their erratic moralizing. It's not stupid, it's simply a suggestion. Good thing I'm not RedPill, try again. Second of all, yeah it Is stupid. It's a stupid ass suggestion. Having opinions doesn't make them any less retarded just because you thought of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 12:25 PM
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Yeah but I want to stay. Why can't I consider cheating on my wife if I want to stay? Cheating isn't even illegal so what gives? Your argument "If you have a problem you should consider doing something wrong/illegal" is stupid for this exact reason. It's stupid in the context of a married person, it's stupid in the context of incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 12:09 AM
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I don't live in America, so yeah, nice try. In my country prostitution is still illegal. As it is in most countries around me. Or you could stop being a pussy and just go see an escort in the US because realistically speaking you won't get done for being a john just as you probably won't get done for smoking weed. Or you could stop encouraging breaking the law as an answer to men's sex issues. This conversation is fucking insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 12:07 AM
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It isn't even close to the amount of Americans and you know that. America is the dominant majority of most redpillers. Try again. Not saying he must, but he certainly should. So if I am in an unhappy marriage I should consider cheating on my wife? Sounds very red.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:04 PM
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It's illegal in America and Canada., where the majority of redpillers live.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:02 PM
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You're right , it's not. Which is why TRP isn't about becoming a complete alpha, it's about emulating practical alpha behaviors. Rape and pimping is pretty alpha too. Most of TRP is based in either America or Canada. so obviously we're not going to talk about anomalies like Amsterdam.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:01 PM
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Come on, you know good and damn well the majority of the users of this sub and TRP are from Western countries where it's illegal. Don't try that disingenuous argument. Doesn't make it any less illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 04:17 AM
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It's illegal. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 02:18 AM
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Say it with me, "Buying a prostitute is illegal."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 02:17 AM
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Martyrdom or the quote?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 10:10 AM
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It's still not even close to 75% of overweight Americans and the level of sexualization is the same if not more. This automatically means your premise is deeply flawed. The more likely solution is that kids are exercising less and eating more junk food, which didn't start infiltrating S. E Asian countries until relatively recently. It seems incredibly bizzare to blame obesity on objectification instead of the far more direct and obvious reasons. Business is a contract. I'm talking about manipula…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 09:02 AM
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I don't even know what "toxic" behaviors mean. Your perspective changes when people confuse you for a fleshlight/dildo, and you really needed and were promised something more. It doesn't mean anything is wrong with it. I work in high level business. People get used for all kinds of reasons. That's the nature of the game, it's not a conspiracy against women and it has zero proven wide reaching affects. You should see what steroids are doing to people. Again, I should know, because I've worked wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 03:00 AM
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I don't believe in toxic masculinity or toxic femininity. I think there's nothing wrong with objectification. I think the amount of people dying to look good is only a fraction of the amount of people dying due to heart disease and obesity. I think 95% of what modern feminism espouses is made up in order to sell books and membership cards. There is no patriarchy. There are no beauty standards. It's all bogus.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 02:45 AM
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Not really, but that doesn't change the point that feminism is now a hypocritical mess. Yeah, I agree that it's a meaningless label in terms of what people actually believe but there is still a corporate guiding force and it's become something very negative full of pandering and man hate. Like I said, I don't have a problem with individual feminists who do good things. But I do have a problem with the current mainstream message of feminism, which is now crap because of all the reasons you listed…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 01:58 AM
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I think it's a representative sample of feminists, but not a representative sample of active feminists. Active feminists are more often becoming the minority in favor internet activism. And unfortunately, those people out in the world making a real difference to 10 or 20 people have less total influence than a hate filled article on gawker seen by 5 million people. Feminism as it is now, is more about making money and pandering than actually helping people. But in the age of social media that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 01:47 AM
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I do think older second wave feminists are more active to helping people, but feminism as we know it now, or at least the majority of those who speak for feminism are third wave 20 somethings who are more likely to publish a man-hate article to gawker than go out and build a safe home for male violence victims. In fact, many second wave feminists are actually embarrassed of what the movement has become and cease to identify themselves as such. Camille Paglia is one example, but there are others.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 01:31 AM
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Some feminists do advocate for rape, but it certainly isn't in equal amounts proportional to the need. There are a few thousand rape clinics for women in the US, almost none for men. If feminists were actually for equality it would seem like male rape and male violence would desperately need their support, and yet the general direction of feminism seems relatively unconcerned with these problems. The second issue is in the way feminism markets it's product. It labels itself as the be all and end…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 01:05 AM
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Part feminist illuminati, part recognizing biological and cultural rends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 06:23 AM
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We're talking about SMV. A skewed photo that doesn't depict reality accurately or lies about personality isn't the same as a real interaction. The people behind that are certainly real. It's the equivalent of if I, on this website, claimed to be a millionaire with photos of fake abs or a selfie from six years ago. Is that reality? No, it's fiction. It's something I made up to become an attractive persona. The conversation might be real, but the perception of who each person is is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 06:21 AM
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Probably for the same reason women are constantly bringing up sexual objectification and beauty standards. It sucks if you are not a member of the pretty people club.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 12:53 AM
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Again, I'm not trying to call you ignorant, but it really is not that easy. Random millionaires are not paying to be on talk shows. Secondly, having enough charisma to be an interesting public figure is a skill, not something anyone random schmuck could do. Of course he had risks. Didn't you just make the point he went bankrupt four times? He has something like 250 million in debt. Any rich person who invests massively is taking a huge, huge risk that could set you back financially your entire l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 12:45 AM
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People usually don't care about being related to. They say they do, but they don't. For example, I can relate to you and still think you're making bad decisions and need to stop blaming others for your failings. Is that really what people want to hear? No. They want sympathy and "understanding," which really means you want me to take your side and support you against whatever imaginary injustice you believe you are facing. I can have as much empathy as anyone for a woman with body issues and a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 12:29 AM
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Sure. It's more difficult to be entirely self-sufficient from the ground up, but my point was that being given money doesn't make a person less admirable or that becoming world famous is something anyone can do with a few million dollars.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 12:07 AM
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That's ridiculous, of course there's alternatives to reality. Movies aren't reality. TV dramas aren't reality. They are fictions. Tinder is a fictional environment where ugly fat people masquerade as much better looking people. Fat women are not taking pictures looking like the horrendous slobs that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 12:05 AM
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There is always a degree of want and choice in choosing a job. Men certainly want to be coal miners more than women or else there would be no men in coal mining. There are always opportunities at the low level it just depends on the pay and desire to work those positions. Second of all, you still need a degree to be a kindergarten teacher or nurse. You don't need education to be a cleaner, but most blue collar men have families and can't rely on the typically part time income from a cleaning job…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 12:00 AM
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Everybody thinks they are experts on everything as long as it happened to them once. It's rationalizing your own failings as someone else's fault and your experiences are the average. It's the same reason why r/relationships is so quick to recommend break-ups for women but urges men to consider the opposing side over the same activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 11:38 PM
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Call me crazy, but I don't think too many women are lining up to mine for coal in the deepest bowels of the Earth so I'm not sure what "ditching gender roles" in low-income male dominated jobs would actually look like, practically. Here's my strategy: If you really want to do a job then just fucking do it. Want to be a teacher? Cool, do it. My dad was a teacher. He was a teacher for over 30 years and was one of the highest paid staff male or female. Want a high paycheck? Then work for it. Have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 02:53 PM
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The fact Trump had 4 bankruptcies is such a ridiculous point. The man owns over 500 businesses. Bill Gate's Optim Energy just filed for bankruptcy last year. Again, anyone who says these things like this just seems ignorant. Honestly though, I cannot consider him a self-made man with that kind of background. This is a simple case of money makes money. How? How is the money making money? Is the money taking human form and coming up with complex business plans and negotiation strategies? This is l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 02:29 PM
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No, you probably couldn't. Turning a million into 4 billion isn't easy. I literally work with millionaires and their sons who inherit huge sums of money, and they STILL work 99% harder than the average population. The middle class honestly has no clue just how driven these people can be, and the types of ends they go to become/stay rich, and how insanely difficult it is to significantly increase your networth. If anything, how you earn the money is more important than the money itself. A trust f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 01:42 PM
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There is no concentrated effort by anyone to actively bring down women. It can all be explained by marketing and our biological preferences as men and women. The "patriarchy" is just the female equivalent of Illuminati. DO think this way. They DO worry about getting raped or physically assaulted as "the weaker sex". And they pick their shoes based on what they need to escape from rapists the fastest? Come on, stop making things up and exaggerating. Sure women get scared of being hurt by men. Men…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 01:28 PM
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Well, that and one of the most powerful, successful, influential, richest men in America married to a supermodel.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 01:22 PM
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Trump is playing a character because he knows the idiot left won't stop talking about him and the idiot right wants a cartoonish asshole like Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannedy to stick up for their interests against the establishment and PC liberals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 01:18 PM
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Tinder isn't reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 07:08 AM
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Well using your logic, feminism/#Blacklivesmatter/_insert movement here doesn't feel the need to say "men's rights need to be addressed" Correct, I agree with that. I think it's idiotic to ask any movement to represent someone beyond their target demographic. What I dislike about feminism is how they say they are for male rights when the evidence clearly shows otherwise. It's their hypocrisy that is infuriating, not that they don't cater to men. this is why I enjoy commenting on this sub, btw Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 07:00 AM
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Patriarchy isn't real and no one is conspiring against women. This article is just one giant hyperbolic appeal to emotion best summarized by this quote: This is what we're thinking about, when we stand in front of the wardrobe. Will this outfit define the rest of today? Will it, if I am very unlucky, affect my life? Is this going to be the subject of a court-case? Could I run for my life in these shoes? Really? "Could I run for my life in these shoes?" That's what women think when they are getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 06:51 AM
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I'm not pretending it isn't a two way street. Plenty of Redpillers come in here peddling their typical alpha-jaok BS and eventually get run out too. Seeing low effort comments is the same for everybody, you and bluepill aren't special. Respond to actual well-thought out comments and ignore the rest. I've noticed most quality RedPill posters here rarely if ever respond to the concern trolls so I don't see why Bluepill isn't capable of the same thing. Honestly, it's a little immature and there's m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 12:25 AM
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The thread is asking why the sub is mainly red, so I am talking about why Bluepillers are more likely to participate less. I didn't feel the need to say "REDS DO IT TOO" just to satisfy a Bluepillers feelings. Secondly, I didn't spend three paragraphs complaining about bluepillers treating the other party as sub-human, but this is a typical Bluepill argument which attempts to reframe my actual comment into low hanging fruit which is much easier to respond to than having your viewpoints challenge…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 12:18 AM
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u/hyperreal is saying the scientific evidence is that there is no scientific evidence for TRP. Basically, Bluepillers wanted low hanging fruit arguments where they could say "You idiot, you believe TRP is a scientific fact when it obviously isn't!" [Not sure how this makes one a strong debater, but whatever] Now that most redpillers here are no longer saying that, Bluepillers lose the easy win and actually have to...debate. Which they never wanted to do in the first place, it sounds like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 02:49 PM
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This place is a great forum for debate, as long as people come to legitimately express their viewpoints and not treat the other party a sub-human or immoral, which BP are want to do. Plenty of people have swapped from red to purple, blue to purple, purple to red, and so on. Every time one of these threads pop up I can only believe the person posting isn't actually interested in speaking to the more high quality posters on the sub of either color and chooses only to engage the low hanging fruit b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 12:44 PM
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Mental disorders. Not in a bad way, always. But anyone who doesn't like attractive, fit, women has a brain operating outside the norm of what men were biologically programmed to look for in a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 12:24 PM
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More or less, this. There are some pretty high quality BluePill posters but honestly not many new blood sticks around. They'll come in, make a few of the same tired posts that have been done a million times before, get hand waved by reds and purple's, then fail to contribute anything of substance to legitimate debates and leave after realizing not everybody here is a total idiot that can be stumped with conventional feminist wisdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 12:07 PM
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The more radical guys don't seem to stick around too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:12 AM
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Why does it matter though? Dehumanizing women works fine for redpillers apparently. If it was failing to get results then I would agree with you. If people are so convinced there are much better ways then they should start their own sub. But no one will do that, so until then it's just a bunch of gibber gabber that seems more geared to stop terpers from having success and mocking them. Terper: Wow, TRP is great, I'm already having more success than I did before. Bluepiller: You can get laid with…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 11:55 AM
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This is it exactly. A man responding to this question is going to automatically assume the stance of "No, don't do it" because he doesn't want a woman to fake an orgasm, and then contextualize that 'No' from his perspective. He will never accept any other answer besides 'No.' I think he might be able to give a really good and valid reason, but objective discussion is pointless and impossible. Women could probably give some very good reasons for faking orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 10:22 AM
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I was extrapolating from your last response. If you are only worried about others judging you unfairly, then are you only debating TRP because how they deal with women could affect you? Fair enough. Talking about muslims is side-tracking the original point, which is that if a bigot judges my character for participating on a message board it isn't my job to change their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 05:03 AM
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I care about it happening to me only tbh. Is that why you're on PPD, to keep redpillers from getting you? Going by alreadyredschool's figure... if 25% of Muslims were terrorists I'd be scared of them too. Around 30% of black males under age 30 are criminals/in jail. Are you scared of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 04:55 AM
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The redpill's only argument against the prevalence of equality based relationships has been to claim they don't exist. I would agree with them that no relationship is exactly equal. Someone always holds more power, whether it be only slightly or vastly. I don't think anyone at TRP says no relationship besides strict hierarchy exists. Some would prefer fuck buddies they can at least trust. Trust to do what? You need to talk to more. I've been told too many times that it's how sexual strategy work…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 04:52 AM
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Of course people mind, because these idiots are the ones spreading false messages and influencing perception. Nobody wants to be slandered. Nobody wants people to say things about them that aren't true, no matter what ideological group you're part of. If you know this will happen, as you keep saying, then in order to better promote goodwill you should be in TBP letting bloopers know that all redpillers aren't one particular way. My point is it's not on redpillers to convince anyone that they're …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:35 AM
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Sure. But just because some Christians believe in god but still purposefully sin doesn't mean that millions of Christians don't do their best to avoid temptation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:32 AM
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Do you deny that the redpill is running into way more of these women than everyone else is? "Everyone else." You're doing it again. You have no idea if you are the majority here. Do you deny that the redpill's plate spinning strangers they hook up with in bars/nightclubs/parties gives them a higher than average chance of meeting these women? No, that sounds right. If so, I'd love to hear your theories about why the rest of us aren't having the problems finding good women You're running in differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:29 AM
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Which isn't my problem, or your problem, or TRP's. It just makes those people idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:24 AM
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Ok. Christianity then. You're not a Christian if you don't believe in god. Besides, the ideology sets the rules of who gets the title.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:23 AM
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Compared to what they would be making in villages, yeah. It is a lot. Some women go overseas a couple times every few months ad make enough to buy new houses in their home countries. but I bow to your superior knowledge of male prostitution. Male prostitution and female prostitution, since you have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:22 AM
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I think it's still stupid. No different from assuming anyone who posts on BluePill is a beta loser or hamstering even if many display those qualities, or that women who post on feminist subs are all fat with dyed hair because many of them are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 01:48 AM
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First of all, its not my community so don't make assumptions. Second of all, no, it shouldn't be. Should people who don't like basketball get called out on r/NBA? Should people who are fat get called out on r/bodybuilding? Just for being there? What kind of logic is that? If someone is making a self-help post then the assumption is they are following the theory. If they aren't then they are lying, which is unpreventable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 01:44 AM
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You are talking about the quality of followers of the theory, and you are suggesting that someone would find the theory of TRP to be lacking if the userbase doesn't abide by it's rules, and then judge it's followers based on this. Anyone who believes that is, quite simply, an idiot. This like if a tennis sub is full of unathletic people who don't play tennis, and then a person who thinks of tennis takes into account people on the tennis sub are unathletic people and then believes anyone who play…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 01:40 AM
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I'm not sure why you're bringing up treating every man as a rapist. Where did I mention anything like that? What I said was that if something takes place on a massive scale then it is a trend that is likely being caused by something, and it should be examined rather than writing it off as individual failure and dismissing over-arching problems altogether. You [for some reason] are imagining that my solution to rape being an epidemic is to treat every man as a rapist, which I don't agree with. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 01:02 AM
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This is like a feminist arguing about tumblrinas not being real feminists. No, because feminists have made it such that you can literally believe anything and do anything and still call yourself a feminist. This doesn't work in other groups. If you are a gamer you actually have to play videogames. If you are forever alone you actually have to be alone. This is mind bogglingly obvious, but feminism is so shitty that now anybody can be anything as long as they feel like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 12:57 AM
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Whether you like it or not their shortcomings will be associated with you. If most of those subscribes were overweight, the sub would lose what little prestige it managed to build. No it wouldn't. That's insane. You could look at other people doing bodyweight fitness ad clearly see they are jacked and successful. It's the same with TRP. You can look at guys using these strategies in other places and watch them having success. What the userbase does is absolutely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 12:51 AM
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Completely untrue. Women make a shit ton more money than men. They have countless clients that pay in the hundreds to of thousands of dollars. You don't have to be in shape or good looking. The sex is way easier as well because they just lube up, go until the dude busts then leave. Unlike you I'm guessing, I actually know prostitutes because I've lived for years in South East Asia, and these women earn enough money to stay in condos and be extremely selective with their clientel. There are reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 12:52 PM
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No, but if something is happening in the millions it's worth actually looking at and asking why instead of writing it off as problematic individuals. Maybe one crazy guy wakes up and decides to rape. Maybe even five guys. maybe even 10. But millions? Whether the answer is biological or cultural, something happening on a large scale means it goes beyond simple individual choice and is a reflection of our environment or our genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 12:49 PM
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Except that's not true at all. Redpillers have no problem plating women 5 and above, if their own SMV is low. They want 8's and 9's, probably in the same way women want a perfect boyfriend, whatever perfection is to them. An ideal isn't reality. Some women do have poor impulse control and maturity. I'm not sure what your point is? I have plenty of empathy. I think you'd be surprised how well redpillers can understand and even relate to women with poor impulse control/maturity. They just choose n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 12:43 PM
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That's interesting take on Plato's cave, which, while not exactly true to the original intent is still a good point. but if dehumanizing half the population get twerp to take pussy off the pedestal and value themselves more or at least equal to women then what the fuck do i care. This is the question I think most bluepillers need to really ask themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 12:30 PM
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Sounded like you were saying bluepillers were the individuals who got out of the cave and now have the responsibility to go back and educate the uninformed masses.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 08:24 AM
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What an egotistical statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 02:04 AM
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Haha, see you just can't help it. You're still trying to minimalize the amount of women TRP works on and completely proving my point. I'm not sure why you slipped into this bizarre Tumblr-poetry writing style either. It's weird. And I worry about you, more than you will ever know. That's sweet of you. But because you lack empathy and don't know me, you only pretend to know me and assume things about my life that aren't true based on a few internet comments and your vapid interpretation of them. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 12:32 AM
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Having abundance mentality doesn't somehow keeps flake from existing. It still happens to other people, the world does not revolve around you. Neither of those comments were tips.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 12:25 AM
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Male prostitution is much harder than female prostitution. You make exponentially less money than women, you have to be handsome and ripped to even get a few calls, and you actually have to be able to have sex multiple times a day after busting a nut. It's actually a really fucking difficult job with almost no benefits. This thread is about innately having opportunities that make your life easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 12:23 AM
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No, it's that you're denying very real TRENDS. You are looking at these individuals as though it isn't a representation of larger issues, and terpers have experienced these same issues time and time again, and in fact many men have. To say "Those are just shitty women" is the equivalent of bringing up the rape epidemic and some guy going "Those are just shitty men." Wouldn't that piss you off? Doesn't it completely downplay the larger problems women deal with? This is why terpers react to bluepi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 03:33 PM
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Probably because it's illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 03:14 PM
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I get why they do it. I don't endorse lying about it and leading people on. That's just shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 03:02 PM
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So many blatant lies in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 02:55 PM
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So the correct response is lying and leading people on? Jesus Christ this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 02:44 PM
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Deafening silence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 02:26 PM
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I live in a universe where flaking happens more to men than vice versa. What about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 02:19 PM
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Isn't that what social circles are?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 02:14 PM
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Absolutely spot on. This is where so much of RedPill frustration comes from. Men KNOW women, a LOT of women really are like the way they describe, and bluepill adamantly says that is simply not true. That causes redpillers to dig their heels in even further and scream "you're denying reality/hamstring!" Bloops aren't denying reality. But they are completely unempathetic and incapable of understanding there's a whole other world out there. It's the same reason why liberals are so baffled trump is…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 02:14 PM
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This is the second time you've warned me in this thread and didn't say anything to the person who actually started it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 12:04 AM
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If flaking was as big a problem among men as it is among women you would hear about it more often. Type in "flaking on dates" on google, and see the results. Observe who the majority of flakers actually are. The evidence will speak for itself Women deal with this typically on a "case by case" basis. One guy will flake on them. Men deal with it on a constant basis with all types of women. It isn't just a matter of perspective at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 11:49 PM
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Women flake more. Pointless comment is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 11:45 PM
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That is such a ridiculous point. Do you realize that the whole point of a hypothetical is that it is intended to simulate reality based on past actions? Second, the hypothetical I made wasn't even the counter-point in the first place so what are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 11:43 PM
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Fucking kek.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 12:39 PM
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You didn't actually read the OP, did you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 12:25 PM
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AUTO RESPONSE: Please read the OP next time and have a nice day. Men flake too [I know, I know, every bluepiller has a story of a guy who flaked on them right?] but in my experience, and it seems the experience of most men, flaking is most commonly a female trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 12:14 PM
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Being late is being late. Flaking is flaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 12:10 PM
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No, OP [me] said women aren't called out for flaking. Which you did not do. You were called out for being late, which you were. And besides, I was talking more about the cultural basis than your individual personal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 11:48 AM
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And how do you think he got there? Teleportation? I'm not saying there are no assholes in the world, I just don't see how this is relevant to women who flake.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 11:44 AM
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Getting called flakey by the dude you flaked on isn't the same as culture refusing to force women to own up to lying. Type in "women flake" on google. It's all articles aimed at men to prevent it and get over it. It's a blatant lie and nobody calls it that. Type in "men objectify" or something similar and it's all about how men suck and are at fault and need to change. See the difference, or are you ignorant of reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 11:35 AM
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Who knows? Maybe he didn't decide until you were there. Point is, petty or not, he made a plan with you, kept to it, showed up when and where you had agreed, and waited for you. Not the same as lying and no showing. Imagine how much more pissed you would have been if you had taken that cab through traffic, got there, and he never even bothered to come.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 11:22 AM
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I mean you asked me what I would like people to do. If everyone who flaked got murdered it would be awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 10:28 AM
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What would you like people to do about flakey women? Kill them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 10:22 AM
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AUTO RESPONSE: Please read the OP next time and have a nice day. Men flake too [I know, I know, every bluepiller has a story of a guy who flaked on them right?] but in my experience, and it seems the experience of most men, flaking is most commonly a female trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 09:47 AM
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The guy doesn't like it when people are late. You were late. He stayed until you got there, brought up what his problem was, and then left. Totally fine, and he respected you enough to wait and then actually explain why he wasn't interested. If he was female he probably would have left without saying anything then not responded to your texts asking "Where are you???"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 09:35 AM
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Write one OP. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 09:29 AM
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No they're not. Your move.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 04:41 AM
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Nope. You responded after he clarified. Where is this clarification? What are you talking about? I don't believe six of his friends (all women) said something that nobody here is saying. Dude, come on for the love of god. Women here also think the guy from 50 shades of gray is a rapist and that ripped guys are ugly. Is it really that much of a stretch? Besides, his core concept is right anyway. Here's what I found on male gaze [lol] male gaze occurs when the camera puts the audience into the per…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 11:32 PM
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The ideal is irrelevant if men will still date the non-ideal. Like that is a totally worthless point to me in the context of "pressure." There is no pressure to be slim. Because women aren't slim and dudes still fuck them / date / marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 11:18 PM
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So you're admitting your post was built around a strawman. OK. Moving on then... Nope, that's not the male gaze. It's close, not there yet. I know it's not your job to educate me, but could you please do so my feminist overlord?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 04:30 PM
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Maybe? I've never heard a man in real life ever use the term thigh gap. I mean, if we went by reddit standards everyone and their mother would be a Bernie Sanders die hard...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 01:50 PM
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10's are variable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 01:48 PM
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Absolutely. For years I've been saying the whole idea that men hold women to any sort of beauty standard is absolutely ridiculous. Where are these so called men with stupidly high standards that everyone is talking about? Where is all this pressure from men to be "thin?" Who is saying this? Go to any facebook page of a fit woman and 90% of the negative comments like "Eat a hamburger" and "she looks disgusting" are from women, while all the men are jacking off or drooling or both. The media knows…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 08:46 AM
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Total bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 01:46 AM
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Is there a reason you can't take ownership of your own thoughts and actions? What do you mean by this? How is having sex without an emotional connection not taking ownership of your thoughts or actions? Are you saying you can't partake in daily activities such as cleaning or exercising without having an emotional connection?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 01:44 AM
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All men can have sex without emotional connection. Whether they dislike it or catch feelings afterwards is a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 01:42 AM
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Why? Unlike natural substances they can be designed specifically with dependency fostering in mind. It's common in almost every industry, from medicine to food. Source? http://psychedelics.com/psychedelic-drug-addiction/the-dangers-of-a-psychological-addiction-to-psychedelics/ http://psychedelics.com/dangers-of-psychedelics-abuse/ As I said, it's a non-physiological danger, so you aren't going to die from it. But the physiological dependency creates it's own set of very serious problems. Well no…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:07 AM
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Yes or no: Most women want to date men shorter than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:43 AM
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Designer drugs, yes. I discourage all forms of mind-altering substance abuse though, including shrooms and marijuana, but chemical products are much worse. No. The two are not analogous because smoking carries well established serious health risks, while eating shrooms carries, well, hippie connotations Why are you so obsessed with shrooms? Firstly, yes. They are analogous. Shrooms, marijuana, and other "non addictive" drugs still create imbalances in the brain that develop into strong dependenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:38 AM
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It doesn't matter what he meant, because people have such a flawed view of what the dangers of addiction actually are. Sugar is more dangerous and addictive than heroine. Mind altering substances can be incredibly damaging to a person's mental health and emotional stability, but everyone says "They're ok because it's not physiologically addictive!" and then try to downplay the risks by comparing it to water-tubing. Any substance you ingest, ESPECIALLY artificial substances which messes with your…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 03:14 AM
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I mean you're right. Do EC's disagree with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 02:16 AM
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Do they say everything has to be alpha all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 12:48 AM
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It's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 12:31 AM
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Who said it was alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 12:27 AM
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Anything that chemically alters brain patterns or mood states can be incredibly psychologically addictive if done enough times.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 12:27 AM
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Not completely accurate. Egyptians are the highest, followed by Nigerians when it comes to owning college diplomas, and that's reversed when it comes to owning graduate degrees [1. Nigerian 2. Egyptian]. At least 80% of Immigrants from Kenya, Nigeria, Botswana, Ghana, and Malawi had a high school degrees or higher which still out-performed Asians and European immigrants. Kenyans have the highest high school completion rate in the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 04:10 AM
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There are very few cold approaches such as those you describe. But they happen occasionally. Even excluding cold approaches, most women [and men] will make split second judgments on character or looks without getting to know anything about compatibility. That's not something you can find out from a 20 second introduction. So there's very little you can do to control someone not liking your personality. Lifting weights only goes so far. Correct, that is the point of the post. You cannot control f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 03:48 AM
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I can't open that file, but is that definitive statement based on America/Western IQ rates? Because I live in China and 99% of the people here are dumb as a brick, whereas African immigrants have the highest percentage of degree holders in the US even compared to Asian born and European born immigrants.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 03:38 AM
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He did mention that taste is part of what you can't control, which is separate from having a defect or some personality flaw. That part wasn't too clear if you didn't understand his meaning. Not whether or not someone had a period. You're oversimplifying, but he's correct. I would say the majority of times women are approached is in an place or time that isn't conducive to getting to know someone like at the store, or while they are walking down the street. Or maybe she doesn't want to get invol…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 03:09 AM
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You seemed to be implying OP was somehow incorrect, and your comment also implied you missed the point of the post altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 09:14 AM
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This is the definition of misogyny. No it's not. There is nothing hateful about the statement "All women are hypergamous" regardless of factual accuracy. There is no value judgement. It's no different from saying all men are tall. This is incorrect, but not hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 01:03 AM
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You said the internet wasn't overwhelmingly anti-builder which I think is false, you said this matches reality which I think is false, you have an idea redpillers think every woman is getting wet for every cut guy which is false, and you're using yourself as an example to disprove a trend which is the wrong way of arguing. I think I've been very clear about what I'm arguing about, so I dunno why you're being all huffy and puffy about it like I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 12:14 AM
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That isn't misogyny. That isn't even close to misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 12:07 AM
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You don't have to hate women to be a misogynist "misogyny: a hatred of women." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 12:02 AM
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Could you seriously not pick up my entire reply to you was dripping with sarcasm? Seriously? Secondly, why do you operate with this system, in which you exchange gifts for affection? I don't. Is that the type of relationship you typically have? No. Do you equate your monetary investment with a girl's given personal/sexual enthusiasm? No. Do you normally communicate better than "I don't like gifts," as far as letting the girl know your expectations? No. Because the women I date aren't autistic an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 07:26 AM
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And FYI, it's not "overwhelming", it's just that women who actually do openly admit they like muscular dudes get shouted down, called shallow, told that's why they'll never find a man, that their standards are too high, etc, etc so they just shut the fuck up about it. Agree to disagree. I haven't seen a single sub where this is discussed [with exceptions to r/fit and r/bodybuilding] where bodybuilders types aren't called meatheads, jocks, narcissistic, disgusting, etc. Anytime I see a yahoo ques…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 07:21 AM
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I would hope that buying the gift for her, knowing she'd enjoy it, is something you would also do with enthusiasm. No I totally hate it. Even though I literally say I buy gifts just to see her happy, what I actually meant was is that I have a regimented system where we go tit-for-tat in terms of reciprocation and are only happy and enjoy each other in these moments. I only do this for my own benefit and my benefit alone, which is the opposite of what I said, but I can see how you could take it t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 04:23 AM
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Of course they do. But come on, you can't deny there is an overwhelmingly anti-bodybuilder vibe from the internet and this sub in particular which doesn't match reality. How do you explain that? I think it's a cop out to try and sweep that under the rug and chalk it all up to "Everybody is different after all."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 04:08 AM
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If someone doesn't like you for you, it is 100% about you. This is like saying, if water is wet then it is wet. The whole point of the OP is that there are many other situations where men approach women where they are turned down for reasons out of their control such as periods or a recent break-up or they are in a relationship [which is very true, regardless of your personal experiences]. In addition to that, most men don't get turned down because they are assholes or mess up the conversation. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 04:02 AM
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I am a man. When I buy things for my SO it is not because I place any value on the gift itself. I am giving because my hope is that my gift makes her happy, and that she appreciates my intent to do something nice for her. I don't even want gifts. I want my SO to reciprocate the happiness she felt, not the money. She can do that in hundreds of different ways, but mainly by fucking me [with enthusiasm] going places I want to go [with enthusiasm] and generally enjoying my presence. If you are unabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 03:35 AM
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I personally think it's an acknowledgement they won't be anything more than mediocre, so they justify what they are able to get as what they want to get. People do it all the time with their jobs and lives and whatnot as well. "I want to be a server at the Cheesecake factory. It's easy, it's fun to socialize with people, and I don't have to work too hard so I can spend more time with my friends."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 03:21 AM
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You called him a walking sex trophy even though he has a girlfriend. You're the one that sounds insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 03:15 AM
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I think that's a bit of a stretch. If bodybuilder level muscles really were 2nd place, you'd still expect them to get more votes than 1%. Every post on PPD that brings this up also has women saying the same thing: Muscles are gross, it's too much, etc. And yet in real life, bodybuilder guys are getting laid more than any other body type. Even more than Brad Pitt in Fight club. Plenty of men on this very board can attest to having similar builds and rarely being approached/publicly admired for it…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 03:04 AM
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It's a defense mechanism. People justify their mediocrity by pretending it was a choice never to acquire it in the first place. It's the same reason poor people say things like "I don't value money, so that lifestyle of being rich and famous doesn't interest me." Yes it does. It interests everybody, because that lifestyle is fucking amazing. You just know you will never attain it, so to keep from feeling like a failure you make it seem like it was a deliberate choice on your part not to go after…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 12:56 AM
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But this contradicts what women say on the internet and in the survey listed. Muscular bodies are apparently the LEAST attractive body type. So if your assumption was true, wouldn't the list go more like this: Brad Pitt in Fight Club Ottermode Slight upper body muscle 4: Slight muscle with no definition Anorexic guy Bodybuilder Wouldn't this mean from a physical standpoint the majority of women would be least interested in body-builders? That they would get less attention than even anorexic guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 12:42 AM
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I would say that of the 1000's of reasons a woman might reject a guy, only about 5% have anything to do with him, and only 2-3% have to do with 'defects' and him, rather than just matters of taste. This is about having control over rejection. You can't control someone's taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 02:18 AM
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How does it violate Rule Zero? Everything in that post still seems very RedPill to me, if not TRP to the letter. Second, being wrong about the theory isn't violating Rule Zero. Are you saying it isn't even allowed to have a different interpretation of the literature? Not a mod, but I can speculate. Easiest explanation is that nobody has time to get into it over the matter. Post a sticky at the top of the post explaining DGAF then move on with your life. Doesn't sound that hard to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 01:55 AM
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That's your interpretation of what is unintelligent, boring, awkward, etc. You have a standard that a man must meet. It's not under his control whether he measures up to the limits you have in place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 01:33 AM
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Except TRP is always talking about "We're just here throwing ideas at the wall" and "It's a discussion among bros to find what works" and "It's a place to vent" So now you're saying because it doesn't line up with DGAF it isn't fit for the sub? Since when was "being a mess" qualification for getting something removed? How about this, why didn't you or some other mod comment and correct his interpretation of DGAF instead of taking it down completely and shutting off all dialogue?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 12:26 AM
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I mean, the sub is called PPD, not RPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:29 PM
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When dealing with the problems of others, women would be more likely to deal with it using emotion. Men would be more likely to deal with it without emotion, or at least with less overt displays. I'm not making a value judgement on which is better, only that they are different approaches and men seem to more often partake in the latter. I can sense this conversation going off the rails so I'm going to just bow out now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 09:19 AM
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Like I said, celibate is not a strict definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 09:12 AM
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You could argue that. But my point was that overt displays of emotion are overwhelmingly female slanted, which reinforces my original statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 09:00 AM
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Celibacy is not a strict definition. Most incels are involuntarily abstinent from sex but still masturbate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 08:58 AM
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But the incel label is entirely about choosing to abstain from masturbation combined with sexual frustration and poor mental health, self esteem, and a lack of social abilities. Since when do incels not masturbate?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 08:40 AM
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Working abroad solidified this for me. Usually the term "white privilege" makes my skin crawl, but after living in northern Africa and southeast Asia for many years it becomes glaringly obvious just how much an advantage being white is when it comes to the opposite sex. It's the racial equivalent of being over six feet. TRP gives minorities and short guys similar advice because they are genetically disadvantaged. Suck it up, get over it, and do the best you can with what you've got.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 07:52 AM
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Sure, because you know that is what women expect. That's the point I was making. Women have an expectation of emotional support, men have an expectation of honesty [even if it doesn't make them happy to hear it].
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 07:43 AM
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I think the majority of people would agree that women give emotional support more and expect it more often than men do on average. There are plenty of articles with titles like "Why can't men just listen instead of trying to solve every problem" which speaks to the different methods men and women use when encountering problems. There's also proof women are more emotionally overt than men, to a pretty significant degree, which can and does logically manifest itself in problem solving. This is ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 07:32 AM
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Nah. It's not untrue. It doesn't mean men don't hold pity parties too or women don't give solid advice, but there is a general trend for men to give helpful active information and for women to give emotional support. It gets annoying responding to these types of posts over and over again. You should know be now how it works when we are discussing patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 07:07 AM
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I would totally do studies on all this if I had money or actually cared.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 06:26 AM
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Women are very maternal when loser guys come to them with pity. If you're already bad at reading social cues, it's easy to take that to mean something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 06:06 AM
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Yeah, that's true. It's whining, and whining isn't very attractive in anyone. It's mainly a misunderstanding of intent. When I was in college there was a guy who lived on my floor that was always coming around and saying things like this. Most of the time guys were pretty straight with him. A general shrug and a "I dunno man," was about as close as it got to comfort. But the women were so sweet and nice to him. "You're a great guy, etc." So he systematically developed a crush on whoever was nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:51 AM
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Yeah, I think so. Also doh I deleted my original response while trying to edit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:20 AM
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I think this comes down to the way men and women differ in how they view these types of questions. If a female friend asks you if a dress looks bad on her, she expects to be told it does not. You are inherently aware of this, so you are actually doing your best to make her feel confident and happy. If a male asks if a suit looks bad on him, I would tell him honestly. "It looks like the sleeves are a bit long. The pants sag a bit as well." I'd the help him try to get the thing to look better or p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:16 AM
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I've heard women give other men advice like that both in person and online. A texting conversation would look something like this. Him: No women like me. Her: Aww, that's not true. There's someone out there for everyone. You're a great guy. Him: Yea, I guess. But women don't want skinny nerds who like anime and DOTA. I'm thinking about going to the gym more often and lifting weights. I know a football player who said he would help me. Her: No! You don't need to do that, just be yourself. You're …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 01:47 AM
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I think it's good for setting your personal foundation which will help you appeal to more people in general. All women like looks, confidence, a good job, etc., it's just some aspects like personality or humor can take precedence in LTR's. So TRP's point is basically all these things that make-up SMV can never hurt you if you have them in spades, it can only help you. Things being exactly even a woman would probably take a attractive man over a non attractive one. But most people are NOT exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 01:16 AM
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Yes and no. Chad is a representation of high SMV for certain women. These women are interested in casual sex. They go to bars, clubs, etc because they are looking to show off their body and be around hot guys. Chad is the ideal man for these women. TRP wants to get laid, so obviously they want to craft the ideal SMV for the purpose of getting laid. Someone like dragoness who doesn't care much about looks will probably not be in nightclubs wearing a tight miniskirt or having lots of casual sex. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:40 AM
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That's not true. Feminism was making hundreds of thousands of dollars in the 1970's by charging membership fees for women's organizations. And besides, life has changed. The world is dominated by social media and the internet. Social change starts and ends online. Look at Black Lives Matter, the gay rights movement, 3rd wave feminism, and basically every other cause you've heard of for the last ten years. Everything began grassroots, tapped into the internet [or government funding] and then expl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:31 AM
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It isn't for lack of trying. Marketing takes money. They aren't getting government funding so it has to come from donations. Since feminism has demonized MRA's there's only a small amount of people who spare a few dollars and the majority won't support or ignores them. Organizing large public events take public support. Trying to get twitter hashtags going for a cause inevitably leads to backlash. It's a no win scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 02:40 PM
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SMV isn't just looks though. It's the value he adds to the life of the opposite sex and your life in particular. So being able to make you laugh, feel good, and get you off would be higher on your personal SMV scale than looks. I think that's what some people have been trying to get across in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 02:05 PM
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Did you read the actual post? You're more or less repeating the general idea back to me with a few additions about otterbodies. The whole point was that discussing elite level bodies is pointless because redpillers will never achieve this without becoming professionals. You, like most average guys, are basically a loser. I'm a former professional athlete.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 01:40 PM
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I don't think that's entirely correct. There are tons of male rights communities trying to advance civil liberties, but feminists still take a giant dump on them at every turn. They're the voice of the mainstream activist movement right now, so their word is law. Sad but true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 01:35 PM
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Ok, that's pretty interesting. Why commit to someone if you feel/know you can do better? Personality is definitely a part of SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 01:31 PM
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Feminists turned the MRA movement into a big joke that no takes seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 06:51 AM
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Do you find anyone with lower SMV than you attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 06:44 AM
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Where do you think redpillers are trying to pick up women? The library of congress? No one said they are looking to plate michelle obama...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 06:31 AM
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The idea anyone does anything out of "male fear" is ridiculous. BluePill is always going on and on about individual choice and differentiation and subjectivity, but apparently that only applies to non-redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:28 PM
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I know how many shoes I own and how many apartments I've lived in and how many relationships I've had. It seems weird to be strangely ignorant of my own life...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:13 PM
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It seems the conversation went down a different path from the one I initially started on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 04:07 PM
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lol XD
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:54 PM
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I was mainly talking about sex and online dating. I still think monogamous attraction works differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:46 PM
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Even if society didn't put value on it, male humans will still react accordingly to their biology. If weird is defined as outside the norm, it is the polar opposite of weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:44 PM
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You've got to admit it's pretty relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:41 PM
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I wasn't talking about monogamous relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:34 PM
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Just knowing how many people you've slept with is immature?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:31 PM
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I guess. I don't know all that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 12:53 PM
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You guys are all about "the truth." I'm not RedPill. I objectively read the literature. I don't post on the sub. I also separate the ideology from it's user base. I do the same with Feminism, Christianity, etc. If you want to discuss the user base it's a different topic altogether. It's not contextual to the situation. At least my point about high n counts isn't. Either it is or it isn't inconsistent. Why are you avoiding the question? Pick a position. It's consistent. You are framing it as thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 12:44 PM
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I have issues with there applications the way they are portrayed on this sub. Can't control that. Yes, it's the epitome of inconsistent to say women are sluts who have high n counts but men should aspire to have high n counts. Contextual to the situation. Men who have higher n counts get laid more. The goal is to get laid more. "TRP only says that about women in LTRs" but we both know that isn't the case. It literally is. That's literally the whole point. Literally. Yes, spinning plates, the way…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 05:31 AM
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This doesn't just apply to n-counts either. Anyone has the potential to lie about anything. Like you said, we have to hope the partners we picked our honest and that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 04:33 AM
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I don't care what the theory says. I'm going off what I see on this sub. Like anything else, TRP has it's idiots. Talking about the low hanging fruit doesn't really have a purpose in my opinion. It only serves to demonize the relevant ideas of the theory. Regardless what "RP theory" is, that's not an argument against the contradiction. Saying "this is a man's perspective" doesn't make it any less inconsistent. It isn't inconsistent though. It would be inconsistent if they said: "Men who sleep ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 04:25 AM
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Maybe some men on TRP say that, but the theory doesn't say that sluts are bad people. Just that they make bad partners. Which is statistically true. advocates vastly different standards for men vs women when it comes to the RPers who just want to spin plates. Well...yes. That's what I said. RP exists to help men. It doesn't care about what women go through. It doesn't care that men are more likely to cheat if they are promiscuous. It's about maximizing the sex and minimizing the chances of being…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:45 AM
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Because TRP doesn't care about LTR's or male infidelity. They actually advise men NOT to go into LTR's. But IF they do, promiscuous women should be avoided because there is a greater chance they'll cheat. TRP is advice for men. Not women. RPW advises avoiding player types.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:17 AM
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Sure I do. Haha, you do? Where did we meet? You've had a bad experience and you think that for some reason, most people are like this. No? Obviously, you don't have enough good people surrounding you, or good relationships, to counter this impression. No? All my relationships have been very good. I think my friends are good people. I work in a international company with a bunch of smarty pants'. I'm not invalidating your experiences, that's what terpers do You're not invalidating them, you're ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:15 AM
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Men find having sex very difficult, so anyone who is able to do it regularly is looked at in a positive light by other men. Women are able to have sex easily, so other women don't look at women getting laid every night as some amazing or impressive feat. Promiscuous men and women should BOTH be shamed by the opposite sex considering the correlation to infidelity, but for whatever reason women don't find it as important.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 02:22 AM
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Because we want to believe we're dating honest people. This question is pointless. You can't know anything for sure about anyone. "Do you have kids?" "No" [he does] "Do you do drugs?" "No" [he does] "Do you have HIV?" "No" [He does] Are you saying we shouldn't ask important questions just because someone might lie about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 01:22 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 01:10 AM
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You've got a very negative view of people, Believing them to be incredibly stupid and/or shallow. You don't know me. Since my family and friends do not behave this way, my conclusion is that you don't hang around with people that are all that great. So if someone has a different worldview experiences, it means their experiences are bad and I think people are stupid? Either that, or you yourself are shallow and are looking to excuse it by saying everyone is that way. You've never seen a hot woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 01:06 AM
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I dunno, you see a lot of otterbodies in MMA and other sports. So I don't think it's inherently a confidence or ethics thing, it just depends on how you get that body in the first place. Something like Muay Thai classe 4 days a week are just as good as lifting if the guy takes it seriously. Otterfags don't even squat and if your afraid of squats women will fuck you up. This is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:24 PM
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Women date men who are conventionally unattractive, men date women who are conventionally attractive. So this comment is pretty meaningless to the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:16 PM
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I think the majority of guys are that shallow. Most men [not all...most] would not kick a woman out of bed even if she had some very obvious flaws. Many men would even date a LTR who has very obvious flaws. Ever heard the term gold-digger? Some women wanting an arrogant meathead does not mean all women want an arrogant meathead. I didn't say that. Perhaps you should hang out with better people if that's how you think 7 billion people behave. Can you have an opinion without insulting someone or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:14 PM
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That would make you the exception to the rule then, and you went through the same process most men do. I don't think this affects men literally all their lives, but there is a pretty fundamental difference in the way men and women look at partners for most of their time on earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:12 PM
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Are they specifically going for bimbos? Probably not. Have they mostly all had a relationships, sexual or otherwise with a bimbo at some point? Probably. The divorce rate isn't ridiculously high among celebrities for no reason. I think they are plenty of male bimbos out there, but a fortune 500 executive or the best basketball player in the state with millions of dollars isn't a bimbo, the real concrete talents and abilities that make them special. It's a comparison. You don't see this much on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:10 PM
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Of course it doesn't apply to everyone, but do you think Bon Jovi, Tom Sawyer, and other 10/10 men haven't had their fair share of bimbos?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 11:07 PM
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I don't follow your point. If a rich famous man romances a woman he will get shot down or used? What? That doesn't even follow redpill logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 07:34 AM
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Mentally healthy people with options won't put up with bitches. Well that's just not true at all. Just because a bitch is a bitch in some areas at some times doesn't mean she still can't be a good partner. That isn't how relationships work. People don't get together based on compartmentalized attitudes like that. If someone is attractive it means you overlook certain crappy parts of their personality. It doesn't mean every day is a nightmare or that this person is a psychopath. I don't think I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 07:28 AM
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I don't think so. There might be some men who do this, but certainly not the majority. As I've said elsewhere in this post, look at the differences in dating strategies in celebrities, aka men and women who have the most potential selection out of all humans. It is not uncommon to see the top 1% of men dating strippers, porn stars, trophy wives, models, etc. This is what the most desirable men in the world look for when given ultimate choice. Of course there is variation within anything, but it …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 07:15 AM
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I disagree. I think women really are attracted to the men they say they are. I don't think anyone is lying to feel better about themselves. The issue is that the expectation of who that man is and how he acts in comparison to a better looking socially dynamic man is not the reality. None of this is a conscious process. Let the fisherman tell you what they use to attract fish, not the fish. Except non-Chad men still get laid and have relationships. Chad gets laid because he is the peak of the mou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 04:05 AM
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Sure, I can agree with that to a point. But look at celebrities. These are men who have their choice of almost any woman on the planet and they choose the bimbos. They could easily find a hot woman with a great personality. Why don't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 03:56 AM
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Because they think it is. It's that simple. It's not something women do, it's something individuals do. I get that. My point is that this is not something men do nearly as often. You're not really disagreeing with me. I'm just pointing out the obvious. as if all men actually do that, and no women do. You're making shit up, pure and simple. Another strawman. I never said all women do this and all men don't. I'm saying women do it more than men. Just look around on this very sub. If I say that, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 03:38 AM
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It happens ALL the time. This isn't an isolated incident. It's every time there is any discussion about the male body on PPD. Some women will come out and call a ripped figure "disgusting" or something. You must just think that all women are hot, or something Strawman. I wasn't saying ALL body types should be appreciated. Of course I think certain body types are gross. Fat women are disgusting as are anorexics. But those are NOT aesthetic body types. They aren't trying to look good. Do you under…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 03:10 AM
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Being physically attractive is not the same as being arousing, otherwise women would be having sex with whoever they think is moderately good looking. A man could still want to date a woman with unappealing qualities if she is hot. Look at 90% of male celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 02:53 AM
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I'm a 5'9" bi-racial guy. Most people think I'm either middle eastern, Hispanic, or a light skinned black person. I'm pretty muscular/wide from my time as an athlete, so I think I make old white people and white women uncomfortable in tight spaces. I don't really care what anyone thinks and I don't mind the staring. Doesn't affect me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 02:41 AM
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Not for men. A man will have sex with a woman he knows is a complete bitch if he finds her physically appealing. LTR's are a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 02:34 AM
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I personally don't take it much to heart, but I could DEFINITELY see how it would affect others. I think it could and does affect Redpillers for obvious reasons, but it takes its toll on Bluepill as well. Once you start hearing certain key points coming up over and over again you associate that thing you dislike with the terms. For example, I have seen bluepillers that have said things like: "If he asks me about my n-count I'm going to assume he's a redpiller." "I heard this guy mocking and teas…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 01:11 AM
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just see things from a different perspective Don't tell me what to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:47 AM
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TRP as teaching clueless men about the reality of the social world, and the sane BPers are teaching clueless TRPers about the same tactics being used on them by TRP (groupthink, encouragement of anger, lack of reading things fully and just taking the OPs word for it/circlejerking, etc.), and the denialist BPers are denying that TRP can help clueless men. Pretty much this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:46 AM
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It does in the context of TRP vs. TBP. Many Bluepillers will call TRP ideals gross, icky, disgusting, meatheads, and so on. It shows no appreciation for the male form. I'm just pointing out reality, that's all. Remember we are discussing TRP here. It's fine if the TBP has preferences, but when guys are like "I'm going to go lift and get cut" and women on TBP say "That's gross and the body you want is disgusting," it's no different from the shaming TRP is accused of themselves. My point in writin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:34 AM
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Yes. I referenced this in like, the first few sentences of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:26 AM
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But whether or not there's pressure, at least in terms of dating and relationships, it's still easier for women because men are more open minded and accepting of all body types and figures. Men out there will find women attractive no matter what they look like. It's like saying there's pressure on me, a man, to be a provider and care-giver but all the women I meet don't care about that and want to split responsibility equally. In that case the pressure is in your mind, not in reality. The realit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:23 AM
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the more obsessed someone is with lifting, the more it seems that 'bodybuilder' is their goal Yes, I addressed that. That isn't the fault of the guy going to the gym though, that is faulty public perception which I am trying to rectify. it's also why some women don't lift weights; they fear they'll get huge and 'manly' even though that's pretty unlikely without significant effort. Yes, that is correct. it doesn't just happen to men, so, to be blunt... shrug it off. you'll be better off for it. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:14 AM
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That's the point. Everyone is different. Everyone builds muscle in different ways. Only bluepillers seem to be unable to comprehend this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:09 AM
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Another day, another "I don't understand how words work and make no attempt to comprehend them."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:09 AM
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Sure, and I agree that otterbodies are good looking and if guys can do it they should go for it. No question there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:08 AM
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Nope, I disagree. I think men value women's body shapes far more than the other way around. A woman who doesn't even work out that isn't fat will still have a "hot body." Bare minimum effort suffices to be good looking. All men really require is that you aren't a ridiculous lard ass. Just being a normal sized human will mean close to 85% of men in any room will want to sleep with you inherently, but with men that is certainly not the case. There is no "expectation" on appearance for women. What …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 12:03 AM
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So what? Women do the same thing, they can appreciate that men who are huge and bulky No, they don't. Most women will say the physique they don't like is "gross." Which is EXACTLY what you did, and what almost all the women from TBP do as well. If women like big muscular men they'll compare skinny guys to corpses or say they are all bones. This VERY common. Your OP is about the type of physique women want, not what they can appreciate. But now we're talking about what they appreciate. That's the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 11:58 PM
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Yes. That was the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 11:49 PM
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But there are also posts that frequently say "You don't need to be big, all you need is a little muscle."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 11:40 PM
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Maybe because the post you were responding to was in response to someone saying that anybody who asks about sexual partners is low quality and insecure? I dunno. I think you've got something different in your head than what RP guys are talking about. I think you're making some assumptions about the flow of conversation in an unrealistic way. Like, of course it would be weird to ask about sex right off the bat. And yeah it would also be weird if there were no follow up questions or explanations o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 07:34 AM
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No, I'm not misinterpreting it. Men appreciate fitness and low body fat bulk as well. Nobody is going to say Tyler Durden looks like crap. But men ALSO appreciate guys who look like Captain America, and they ALSO appreciate guys who look like minotaurs. It's the same with how they view women. Guys appreciate skinny women, thick curvy women, larger but fit women, women with big thighs women with abs, women with muscle, crossfit women, etc. Like one guy might appreciate all those different physiqu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 07:07 AM
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No. It makes him a badass who has so much sex available he doesn't put any value in it. This means he can focus on making his life better instead of obsessing over vagina like men are ought to do. Doesn't sound like a problem to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 06:59 AM
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Nah. Ottermode is more like Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Those guys are all top heavy typical gym bros, except maybe the black guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 06:51 AM
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It seemed like you were making the parallel to his statement "women don't appreciate male aesthetics" that "men don't accept women want different body types" as though they were opposites in this regard. But the more accurate wording is: Women don't appreciate male aesthetics, men appreciate male aesthetics and female aesthetics, men struggle to accept that women prefer body types other than their own, although women struggle with this more. So overall I'd say that men appreciate the figure more…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 06:47 AM
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I'm convinced that most men are incapable of appreciating that most women aren't attracted to the body types they want for themselves. Women struggle with that way worse than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 06:30 AM
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Biebs looks skinnyfat in that pic, not ottermode. Does he? Fair enough, I have no idea what qualifies as upper end skinny fat or lower end ottermode. Wrapping this all up, I'm convinced that most women, and many people in general, are incapable of appreciating the finer details of bodybuilding and the male physique. I agree. I think men are better at appreciating the aesthetic value of bodies in general, including women's. I also think women's perception plays a big role in what they find attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 06:24 AM
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This is a comment from a user in this very thread. that aside, TRP pushes lifting pretty hard, and idolizes muscleheads. it's not unusual for someone to think that a person who places such high importance on gaining muscle will eventually become a huge brute. So. Yeah. Not an uncommon sentiment. You talk as if its never ripped enough. No? I didn't say that, or anything close to that effect. In any case I'm not sure what point you are making or want to discuss. I made multiple points, but I inclu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 05:57 AM
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Didn't you say building muscle and having it is better than none at all. If you are ugly as fuck and shooting for vapid 10's than yea you might put in hard work and come up short but fi your goal is just to get girls to notice and be receptive to than ugly dudes are quite in luck. What are you talking about? I personally like thin body but maybe is was subconscious awareness of my own attraction compared to theirs. Cool. I stated in my first paragraph I'm not talking about what individuals find …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 05:35 AM
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It matters because the typical response to RP wanting to gain mass is "You should get the otterbody instead. Its more preferable." But it isn't always a choice. You're able to do it or you're not. Thicker body types can't. Bringing up what is preferable in that context is pointless, because if the goal is helping men look and feel better then pointing out shit they can't naturally achieve is useless. it's not unusual for someone to think that a person who places such high importance on gaining m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 05:18 AM
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I'm not telling people they're wrong about what they want or what they find attractive, I'm explaining WHY having a slim body is very difficult/impossible for some men, and also why wanting to gain mass doesn't mean you'll look like a roided out freak [which is usually the assumption, it seems]. The goal isn't to look cute for one person on a message board, the goal is to find the best physique that fits your body type.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 05:00 AM
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Maybe that was your perception. I wasn't implying you said sex was weird. My statement was that BECAUSE sex is an important part of our lives, then it isn't weird to talk about it. Is that not what you could imply from the comment? You can feel free to disagree with that, maybe saying "No, even though sex is an important part of life I still find the question weird" but that is not a strawman. There is still a direct relation to the statement you made. On here, then, it is a loaded question. Is …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:28 AM
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Definitely. I don't take coffee for that exact reason. Caffeine is only the tip of the iceberg. I really wish more people would start honestly looking at what they put into their bodies and how it can affect your mental state. Take sugar for example. Sugar is EIGHT TIMES more addictive than cocaine. Eight fucking times. It is one of the most addictive substances on the planet. Does anybody here about it? Nope. And why not? Because the F&B industry wants people to keep consuming it so they feed i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 01:39 PM
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Where? I think strawman might be the most incorrectly used term on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 10:42 AM
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That's true, but there are certain things that create a more serious dependency than others. A marijuana dependency can be serious because it is a mood altering substance, and having your mood dependent on a drug is bad news. It's something that isn't talked about much, that's all. I'm not saying weed is the devil or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 10:39 AM
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It's the opposite actually, my view of addiction is really broad. When most people talk about addiction they are bringing up physiological addiction like alcohol or nicotine, but often times psychological addictions are just as powerful. Gambling is one example. Sex addiction is another one. Marajuana can be a super destructive psychological addiction, especially in people who are depressed. It creates an artificial feeling of euphoria and happiness. Use it enough times and your brain will be co…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 09:43 AM
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You know what else is staggering? Trying to walk in a bouncey castle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 09:15 AM
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I think TRP makes a lot of good points and has a unique perspective on dating I haven't heard before. I also appreciate that they have a welcoming environment for incels, when most other places on the internet [or in real life] treat them very poorly. I think a lot of their ideas have merit and are usually unfairly judged as being sexist or misogynist when they are really accurate observations of what life is actually like for men. But I will never be a supporter of any place that doesn't allow …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 08:30 AM
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A Red Pill man wouldn't see it as a bonafide hate group. The same way you don't see TBP as a hate group, but I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 07:50 AM
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By BluePill I mean the sub, The Blue Pill. How am I being disingenuous? Nah, you're exaggerating. TRP is only infamous on reddit and even then most casual users have no clue what it is. No one I've dated has ever even heard of reddit before.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 07:42 AM
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So if you don't tell men you're BluePill it's a lie by omission as well? I think it's a bit bizarre to expect a man to give you a checklist of all the obscure internet forums he's a part of without being asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 06:20 AM
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Why do you think he'd be lying? What would he lie about, for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 04:06 AM
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Even smoking weed everyday and needing it to relax is a red flag. Exactly. I keep saying this. If you need weed to relax or calm down or sleep or be creative, then you have a mental dependency on a foreign substance which is no different than addiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 04:02 AM
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Those are two of the most popular fitness model accounts on instagram. Paige Hathaway has over 3 million followers I think. Men have a really wide range of what they consider hot. I'd say for most guys, Hathaway and Renner are both still considered very attractive and have abs. Not many guys I know would turn down sex with this. But that's still mainly due to their genetics. A woman can have abs like that and look terrible. It's more about fitting your body proportions. Jen Selter has less defin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 03:41 AM
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Paige Hathaway and Brittany Renner are the ideal, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:36 AM
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That's crazy, I would totally bang a woman who was taller than me. In fact I've tried and failed multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:24 AM
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It's not that weird. Sex is an important part of being a human being and being in a relationship. If you have no problem with it, then there's no reason not to answer it, whether it's in the forefront of your mind or not. It would be no different from answering "So where did you grow up?" or "How many relationships have you been in?" or "How many tattoos do you have?" If you think it's a weird question, then that's your problem. There is nothing inherently weird or bizarre about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 11:52 PM
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I don't think that's true. I think most men would be fine with their partner regardless of what the count was [as long as it isn't something dramatically high, in which case some worry may be legitimate]. It's the male equivalent of "So how many relationships have you had" which I've noticed is super common question from women. Unless he says some ridiculous number like 30 or 0, it isn't cause for alarm.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 11:48 PM
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I don't disagree with you there. The unbreakable circle-jerk is one of the more harmful parts of RedPill. But if one end of the spectrum is harmful, then doing the exact same thing with opposing beliefs is harmful as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 11:39 PM
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Why would I want to be with a guy that thought women lost value when they had sex? Why do you think a man who asks how many times you've had sex is automatically going to slut-shame you? I dont to know anyone that fixates on n count in real life or asks. Who does that really?. I've asked in every relationship. Never had anyone refuse to tell me, and it was never an issue later. I've had women ask me how many relationships I've been in on FIRST dates. Never turned them down or decided not to answ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 10:06 AM
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If you honestly believe the man you're with is going to slut shame you if he finds out your partner count, why would you want to be with that person in the first place? Men are insecure about something that doesn't happen Actually, in my experience men are usually fine with their girlfriends no matter what their n-count is. It's the fact women are hiding something or lying that starts making them paranoid. That's not "masculinity" or whatever. That's human nature. We all do it in different ways.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 09:28 AM
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So you admit that women are insecure about revealing their partner count then? Good. It's my whole point. I don't care why you're scared of being honest. I don't care what your experiences were in the past. I am talking about what actually happens in the world we live in. If you act insecure towards your partner, your partner will be insecure towards you. Period. That's it. Too weird. Too insecure. As I said: low quality. That's fine. But any woman who is too insecure or ashamed to talk about he…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 09:06 AM
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I agree. But these men would have no reason to obsess over and be threatened by it if women would just be open and honest. Her insecurity is what leads to his insecurity. If a woman asked a man "Have you ever been to jail?" and he said "Who do you think you are asking me something like that?" or "I don't know, stop obsessing over it" don't you think that would lead to the woman starting to worry? Why wouldn't he just say yes or no? Why is he being secretive? I don't like putting all the blame on…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:51 AM
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I've noticed most of these highly sarcastic and angry bluepill types mellow out after they participate for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:11 AM
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What about the previous relationships example I mentioned? I've gotten asked that multiple times by women on first dates and I never had any problem answering or saw it as juvenile. Asking for a sexual partners number is no different. Saying that a man is juvenile and slut shamey for asking a simple question seems like insecurity. Why not just tell him? The reason it's difficult is because you're insecure about that number. You feel like you will be judged for what you have done. So you turn it …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:03 AM
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But if a guy asked me and seemed really serious about it Id be honest Right? Why wouldn't you be honest? I honestly do not get why this question is such a big deal in the first place. Why do women care so much? I think men get more upset at the fact women refuse to answer it than what the actual answer is. If you sleep around so much that this would be a deal-breaker for a guy then you weren't compatible ANYWAY. It's not the guy's fault you have certain traits he doesn't like. Imagine if you ask…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 07:37 AM
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I think the majority of Redpillers on PPD disagree with EC's on a lot of issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 03:55 AM
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Sure. It sounded like you were speaking in general and not from your own preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 03:28 AM
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I'm here because I like arguing. This is one of the only subs on reddit where I can do so frequently and the subject matter is relevant to pretty much everyone. I'm subscribed to a few of the other debate forums like r/debatereligion, but the debate there is more or less pointless. Nobody is even trying to empathize or alter their belief patterns. PPD is different. Even though TRP and TBP both say that this place is useless and no one will ever change, I've felt the opposite is true. People are …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 03:25 AM
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I mean, I think insecurity is a real thing and it's totally natural to be insecure about certain elements of yourself or things you've done. I am, definitely. The problem is when people are ashamed of their own actions [like sleeping around a lot] withhold information, and then when their partner gets upset push the blame to them as "insecurity." I have some dark secrets, but if I ever get asked about them I'll just lie and accept that lying is a shitty thing and that I'm a shitty person. I won'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 02:49 AM
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That's fine. But I think it's unfair to say that men who do care are somehow unworthy of a relationships and you somehow are. Anyone who purposefully withholds information about their past usually does so because of insecurity. Otherwise there'd be no reason not to divulge it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 02:34 AM
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There are so many fish in the sea a dude who is obsessed with my sexual past is a very low value man in my opinion and definitely not LTR worthy. It goes the same way for you though. There are so many fish in the sea, and a woman who is insecure about her past and refuses to divulge information about herself upon request is likely insecure and definitely not LTR worthy. It doesn't make you or them a bad person. But you are no more LTR ready than they are. Don't look down on others or insult them…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 02:19 AM
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I never understand this rationale. How is it insecurity to want to know your partners sexual history? Is it insecurity to want to know anything about your partners past? What about how many previous relationships they had, is that off limits too? What if they may have an STD, should we refrain from asking that as well or is it insecurity? The truth of the matter is that your sexual history, like your actual history, says something about who you are as an individual. If you want to have an honest…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 02:14 AM
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I think religious people are wrong. I think pro-lifers are wrong. I think Hilary Clinton supporters are wrong. But I'm not going to create a circle-jerk antagonist echo chamber sub just to validate my own beliefs and mock others. That reeks of deep insecurity, which is OP's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 02:02 AM
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I think this is fascinating, and it explains so much why there is such a feminist push-back to sexualized women in videogames, on TV, and on posters. It isn't some kind of cultural imperative OR anything inherently harmful, just the natural female reaction to what appears to be the devaluation of sex which is construed as a devaluation of their personal worth. It makes so much sense! This is why feminists can never explain WHY sexual objectification is such a bad thing, and can only counter it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 01:27 AM
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Interesting. I hadn't thought about it that way. Do you think that's a result of a victim mentality and varies depending on culture, or is it something inherently female and men and women will always be at odds over it, or is it something that can be overlooked/ignored/seen in a positive light if the attraction is high enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 03:35 AM
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So would you say that the definition of "controlling" someone in that way isn't necessarily a bad thing? More like a result of the inevitable? After all, I personally think the statement: "I need you to change A, B, C or else this relationship is over" is a good way to stand up for yourself and draw a line in the sand for either sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 02:04 AM
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That's my point. How on earth would he accomplish that? "I want all women to simultaneously leave their partners, line up single file in a row that stretches across the world, and suck my dick, one after another until the end of time." This is what I want with all my heart. I will do everything in my power to make this dream a reality. Terrified yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 02:36 PM
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I think it prevents people from talking about real issues that affect minority communities that need to be resolved internally. My mom is black, my dad is an American Indian and my childhood/teenage years was split between two ethnically homogenous cities [black and indian]. Black and Native culture have some SERIOUSLY harmful cultural practices that come from within and can't be resolved by government intervention and welfare benefits alone. There is such a need to deflect criticism from minori…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 02:01 PM
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I am. Political correctness can be good and it can bad. I think everyone makes a bigger deal out of it than it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 09:46 AM
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Yes, many feminists are bullies. I would say the majority of online feminists. The problem is that most of these people have no idea what they are doing is bullying and because feminism is a protected class in the West they get a free pass to act however they want with no consequences. Trying to get people fired for saying things you don't like? Bullying. Labeling others as misogynistic, sexist, or homophobic based on limited knowledge of that individual and then openly mocking them as a group w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 11:51 PM
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But it isn't. So it shouldn't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 04:06 PM
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Good job on having the maturity to notice the negativity and get out before it started affecting you. I don't post on Red or Blue pill for this exact reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 01:27 PM
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Just my [limited] knowledge from things I've read. I'd definitely pick up a book like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 06:44 AM
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You mean ancient history? Greece? Rome? Orgies aren't exactly a modern invention. Babylonians and Assyrians used to have them as well. In the Byzantine Empire there was a famous emperor's wife who'd go fuck like 30 men at once. Let's not even talk about the popularity of courtesans all over the world. If you want to bring up America, they weren't called the Roaring 20's for no reason. Chicks were getting boned left and right. I believe there was plenty of piping happening during the Enlightenmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 04:51 AM
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Being bullied and shamed stops people from doing it. Nobody wants that. There's a difference between being able to do something, and facing unjust consequences for doing something. In this case, the consequences of speaking out about real things that real people do [being labeled as a misogynist] does not match the action. It's the equivalent of calling a woman a slut because she wears revealing clothing. She certainly might be a slut, just like OP might certainly be a misogynist. But wanting to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 04:23 AM
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Feminism existed long before TRP. It has no dependency on RedPill at all. Most Feminists have no idea RedPill even exists. Feminism does not need TRP. Women were promiscuous before Feminism. Men could have sex with multiple women before Feminism. Feminism did not give women the right to have sex. RedPill does not have any issue with equal rights, equal pay, anything else first wave feminists fought for. RedPill pushes back against Modern Feminism because, to them, it no longer represents the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 04:13 AM
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The majority of Cultures, Races, and Genders do negative shit from time to time. The idea that you can't talk about observable facts at the group level without being [INSERT FEMINIST BUZZWORD HERE] is absurd and stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 02:24 AM
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Another quick note involving weight: Only comment on a woman's weight if you are in a serious relationship with her and only if you are very concerned for her health (ex: she puts on 30 pounds in a month). Why? I think being fat is grotesque and unhealthy, and the food industry has tricked people into believing fat bodies are OK and that addiction is personal choice. Why should we not talk about serious problems that end up debilitating and killing people at alarming rates just because it makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 02:20 AM
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No, that's your interpretation. RedPill does believe AMALT. They just do not talk about these characteristics in men because RedPill is sexual strategy to get laid with the opposite sex. This has been repeated time and time and time again, and it seems like it just goes in one ear and out the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 02:13 AM
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lol at this comment chain
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 05:39 AM
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Western society and the US in particular is one of the most scientifically, medically, and artistically productive societies in human history. So yeah. Hyper-sexuality is nothing but marketing. Asking it to be put back in the closet is like asking companies to make less money. Never gonna happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 05:37 AM
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I was giving an example, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:26 PM
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Your dom/sub relationship example wasn't accurate. That's not a relationship. That's a babysitting service. An actual dom/sub relationship is one where the man makes most decisions. His word is law. The woman is his support. They both contribute to the family in different ways, the man as a leader and a provider, the woman as a child raiser and emotional/moral compass. Both respect and love each other. You might not agree with this type of relationship dynamic yourself, but your first example wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:15 PM
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Holy shit. Is that a serious thing? That's amazing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:27 AM
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So then breaking up with anyone for any reason is disloyalty then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 07:16 AM
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A relationship demands loyalty. Casual sex does not. This isn't rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 07:11 AM
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Plate-spinning doesn't mean you aren't loyal. Dumping women for being rape victims has nothing to do with loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 07:10 AM
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Slut shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 06:59 AM
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It's what people do. I'm sure you think something. First impressions are largely unconscious. But to decide what someone's nationality is and accent and what they do in their spare time? Those are VERY specific things that don't just pop into your head when you look at a photo. Edit: Look at this photo. It came up when I googled 'selfie.' Here So what are you automatically drawing from this? Accent? What she enjoys doing on the weekend? Personality type? Her country of origin? Whether she's nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:23 AM
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Like if you see someone with dreads and a Bob Marley shirt you don't assume they they smoke weed? No? Maybe you can chalk that up to life experiences. I've known way too many people in too many countries to make assumptions. Plus my job has me working with really unusual people who have really surprising thoughts and stories. Assuming things about someone for no reason just seems...basic. It's like a secret language. If you say so man, it's still a secret to me. They don't dress like they want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:22 PM
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Unconscious. Like if I see a girl that reminds me of my gf I want to hug her, but if she reminds me of my ex I automatically hate her. That's just really odd to me. Like very foreign and bizarre sounding. It's good you're conscious of it at least. Embrace that feeling. I mean, I don't need it, but I do think that's good advice for low SMV men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:14 PM
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Decide, get a feeling, whatever. It seems crazy to me. I have never in my life looked at a neutral photo of a woman and thought she was a bitch, or nice, or rude, or interesting. Never. Literally never. I just thought she was attractive. Even if I just see someone that looks and dresses like someone I know I get the feeling that they are very much alike personality wise and it often comes as a surprise when they behave in their unique way. How do you get a feeling like that? Is it a conscious th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 03:35 PM
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That's not the same though. That's a very specific instance with something very specific happening. Of-fucking-course if you've got a guy posed next to a dirty truck you're going to make assumptions about off-roading, and if they're holding a dog they're going to make assumptions you like dogs. That's NOT what I'm talking about. I'm talking about neutral photos where guys are just standing or sitting and smiling or staring and women will still work out entire life stories for these people. I'm l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 03:31 PM
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I'm not trying to explain it. I'm sure you're right. But women still do that shit to insane levels. They will make assumptions and connections that logically don't make sense. I've had girls make assumptions about my height or weight when it is stated clearly right there. I've had girls assume I had an accent or assume I was from a certain country or assume I didn't laugh often. It's crazy shit. If we're talking online dating I'm not assuming shit. She can have the most stereotypical feminist lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 02:38 PM
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Good thing I didn't say that at all then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 02:31 PM
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You're saying when you see someone's photo you decide if they are a nice or mean person, what activities they enjoy, whether they are funny or not, etc? I honestly don't think it's rare to say. "She's pretty." And leave it at that. And besides my main point was how these thoughts informed womens opinions so I dunno why bothered responding with "biotruths" when it wasnt the focus of the argument
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 02:24 PM
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Yeah, speak for yourself "buddy." When I see a picture the only thing I'm imagining is what they look like, not how their voice sounds or what they do for fun. You know, because it would be retarded to make unfounded assumptions about someone I don't even know and then base my opinion of them on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 11:22 AM
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We [as in people] really need to stop looking at these gender issues as if they are tit-for-tat. They aren't. Men and women value different things in different amounts and both genders can be hypocritical. Men put a higher value on sex than women. Giving out sex to many men is seen as a red flag, even if the same standards don't apply to themselves. Women put a higher value on commitment. Giving out relationships to many women is seen as a red flag, even if the same standards don't apply to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 11:08 AM
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Sure, I don't disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 10:57 AM
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if she likes you, you're good, if she doesn't, you're an asshole. It goes even further than that. Women often times judge whether people are assholes or not before they even meet them. They can judge whether you're an asshole based solely off a photo! Women will construct entire backgrounds to a guy, including how they think he acts, what he talks like, what his hobbies are, etc., before they even meet him! Even on this very forum, some women will rate guys higher or lower depending on what they…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 10:49 AM
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It confuses the dialogue and protects those who hate conflict but actually want to change minds. Makes the debator appear as a lover of shared understanding when they're actually out to win. This is exactly how I've felt about the (TM) but was unable to put it as succinctly as you did. It basically categorizes all the negativity inherent in any cause as the doing of just a few radicals and simplifies it to: "Oh yeah. The guys who do that are evil. Definitely. Not even worth talking about. But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 10:42 AM
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Yeah, probably. ONS get pretty boring after a while and too many short term relationships are a pain the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 08:06 AM
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Even if Redpillers want you to abandon everything that makes you proud of who you are, why do you care? How does it affect you? Are you forced to date a Redpiller or give in to their whims? Is there a state mandated dating/marriage policy now? There are plenty of guys out there that want someone like you, so stop wasting time being mad at RedPill when they won't want anything to do with you anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 03:11 AM
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I'm not struggling...or typing out essays based on bullshit for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 03:06 AM
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It was one of my saved articles. I haven't looked through my folders in a while, so it may not have explained left and right brained differences the way I remembered. Here's a better article anyway. http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20060719/men-women-use-brain-differently
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 03:05 AM
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As a whole, the young men had stronger connections within cerebral hemispheres while the young women had stronger connections between hemispheres, the study, detailed today (Dec. 2) in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found. However, the cerebellum, a part of the brain below the cerebrum that plays a role in coordinating muscle movement, showed the opposite pattern, with males having stronger connections between hemispheres. Roughly speaking, the back of the brain han…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 02:57 AM
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Food and Sex are literally on the same level of the pyramid itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 02:54 AM
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I said I could see why people would feel that way, not that it's what would actually happen. Here's the point: Sex is really important to some people. It's a physiological need. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 02:53 AM
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He's giving an anecdote. He's explaining that you can be a legitimate nice person and still not get laid. This isn't a 9th grade literature class. There is no hidden meaning so stop looking for one and take the words at face value. If he's such a good writer, he could have easily said he was shamed because he was nice. But he didn't do that. Because it wasn't his point. You came up with this bizarre, complicated reasoning because I pointed out you incorrectly assessed the OP, and now you're desp…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 02:51 AM
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Why yes, yes I do. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-mens-brains-are-wired-differently-than-women/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 02:42 AM
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It's crazy to me so many people don't consider that much muscle "a lot." Cover models are typically professional body-builders. They spend most of their free time in the gym sculpting their figure. Most men will never come close to a body like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 02:35 AM
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Troll post. Nothing to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 02:30 AM
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I agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 12:39 AM
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I was arguing against the claim that not getting sex literally kills yo Well that claim doesn't exist. Heck, some girl was claiming she would rather be homeless or even die than not get sex Sex does come before shelter on the pyramid, so yeah I could see that people might feel that way. Being homeless doesn't mean you'll die.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 11:42 PM
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You are bizzarely obsessed with comparing food to sex. It's on the same level because they are both physiological needs, not because you'll die without sex, Einstein.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:57 PM
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So what about anything you mentioned invalidates the point about sex being an essential part of life and not getting it can make someone psychologically desperate? If your whole point is: Food is more important than sex because you'll die without it...Yeah. duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:56 PM
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Alright? What's your point? Because starving sucks worse than not getting laid it invalidates something I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:01 PM
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This is a pre-recorded message. u/TheKickboxingGuy is currently not taking any requests for pointless debates at this time. He wishes you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:54 PM
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Men and women express emotions equally. The scenarios where these expressions of emotions come out are different. Like you said, women are more likely to cry than men, while men are more likely to flip out and start hitting things. There are biological explanations for this [men have smaller tear ducts, less of the chemical found in tear production, testerone, etc], and it is one of the great lies feminism has told in order to advance the idea men are somehow emotionally stymied robots. Women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:45 PM
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I think sex and emotional bonding are both important to both sexes, but in inverse proportions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:23 PM
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I'm not going to get sucked into a pointless debate. This is obviously targeted at Redpillers. Moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:20 PM
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Are we not discussing RedPill?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:58 PM
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That's why you don't make laws based on individuals. Nothing would ever get done because everyone's experiences are too different. You have to look at trends and averages to figure out the best and most fair solution for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:12 PM
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Whether it's official or not, they do have opinions about how women should conduct themselves. Having an opinion isn't the same as giving advice. I think everyone has opinions on things. Where she's essentially coerced into killing/giving up a life that's often chemically bonded to her vs. struggling on her own, without any assistance? Guess what? She had literally the exact same option. SHE chose not to take it. SHE chose to have the child against the father's wishes. SHE chose to try and raise…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 12:52 PM
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That may be so. But it doesn't really matter in this context since we're talking about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 11:59 AM
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"Don't get pregnant, slut." advice it frequently offers young mothers forced to raise children alone This is your first problem. TRP gives approximately zero advice to women. You might be confusing that for the advice it gives men, which is "avoid single mothers like the plague." Because there's no scenario where life is fair to everyone involved. I think you're misusing the word fair. It doesn't always mean "easy." Here is an example of a fair scenario. A couple get pregnant. The male does not …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 11:57 AM
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I get that. I agree incels aren't spinning plates. I was addressing this comment: It's more like criticizing someone for eating 16 hours a day when there are more levels to Maslow's hierarchy than just eating. So if we both agree incels aren't spinning plates, then the only people doing it are those who already sexually active. Which is why I compared it to criticizing someone who enjoyed going out to different restaurants or was focused on cooking. Eating is low on the pyramid, but I don't thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 11:38 AM
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Is that really what is happening though? Are redpillers really trying to get laid 24/7 or is that how constant exposure to the sub has you imagining them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 09:09 AM
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Sure. Plate-spinning isn't targeted at virgin incels. Nothing wrong with maximizing your enjoyment of an activity. That'd be like criticizing someone for enjoying to go out to eat or learning how to cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 08:46 AM
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The goal of TRP isn't to become alpha. It's to use alpha qualities in order to have sex without being reduced to a subservient relationship. Very few, if any, betas or omegas will ever become alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 07:34 AM
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That's great it doesn't bother you, but it bothers most virgins. It bothers some people so much they lose their minds or become severely depressed. Putting aside the fact that the rumors of all those men being virgins are just that, rumors [because really, how can we know?] being born in a first world country automatically entitles you to several levels on Maslow's pyramid which means you are capable of ascending even without something like sex. However. Just because many men are capable of asce…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 07:30 AM
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But that's the point isn't it? It doesn't try to be. So I'm not sure how it can be pseudo-actualization where it doesn't even pretend to offer itself as that in the first place. It just focuses on one aspect of Maslow's pyramid. Nothing wrong with that, in theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 07:14 AM
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For the love of God. Everything is not about sex if you are having it. Everything is not about food if you are eating it. Everything is not about breathing if you can do it. RedPill does not exist to hold a man's hand through his life and tell him how to live. Men are free to choose their own path, they are free to take whatever information they want from RP and leave the rest. This is overtly and plainly stated. TRP is sexual strategy. It is designed to help men achieve the base of Maslow's Pyr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 07:10 AM
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TRP is not a guide on life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:56 AM
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Morality isn't at the top because it is the best. There is no best. There is only what drives us to happiness and self-fulfillment once certain conditions have been met. Notice that self-confidence, intimacy, sex, and achievement all come before morality on the pyramid. These are all things that men who need TRP do not have. RedPill gives [or at least attempts to give] men the tools necessary to acquire the ground level needs necessary for actualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:48 AM
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It isn't if you have it or can get it freely. I highly suggest you familiarize yourself with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. I'm assuming you live in a first world country. Because you have access to forms of safety and security that many/most people do not, your brain is capable of focusing on aspects of self-actualization, like morality, creativity, and so on. From there you can reason what should be given the highest values in your life. If you're a refugee from Sudan however, and you can barely…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:36 AM
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But if you don't have sex, you can't focus on the "more" part. That is what Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is. In order to take steps towards self-actualization we must first have all the qualifying needs that allow us to focus on the value of immaterial things like creativity and intimacy. Sex is a qualifying need. It is the base of the pyramid. Saying that sex is low on the totem pole and that there's a lot more to life is like trying to get a starving man to see the value of feminism. He won't c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:21 AM
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Sex IS on the pyramid. It's literally at the bottom, along with breathing, food, and sleep as an essential part of living and existing as a human being. It is a NEED. See for yourself If you are incapable of having sex, it creates unconscious desperation akin to being unable to get food, or unable to breathe [except without the dying part]. When we are denied a fundamental aspect of existing on earth as a human, our brains [or at least the male brain] places a MASSIVE interest on acquiring it th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:10 AM
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Of course! Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs places sex at the bottom of the pyramid as an essential aspect of life, along with food, water, and sleep. if you are incapable of having sex for upwards of 1/4 of 1/3 of your life-span, desperation will completely rule your brain on a biological level.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:04 AM
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Isn't that a contradiction then? If you think the literature results in the spread of damaging ideas, then don't the aspects which aren't evil [Like, 'Always be honest with plates'] have to be considered with just as much validity? Posters are racist, sexist, idiots everywhere on the internet. I don't think that's unique to TRP or even regular everyday life. I think among BP there's a pretty good amount of selectively choosing which aspects of TRP gets talked about. Like almost every thread I se…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:58 AM
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I don't think anyone in this thread is talking about welfare dads though. Just single fathers in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:47 AM
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I mean, probably. But if the literature doesn't matter I don't see the point in being opposed to TRP specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:12 AM
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Then it isn't RedPill you have a problem with, but just douchebags in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:07 AM
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TRP literature is not the same as redpillers though, in the same way the Bible is not the same as Christians.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 02:03 AM
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TRP always stresses to be honest about intentions and actions though. MRP is an extreme response to an extreme situation. It's a last resort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:54 AM
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"You do it too" is not an appropriate response to valid criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:34 AM
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Where have women been getting flack for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:26 AM
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Anyone who gives in to an idealogy will say the same thing though, whether it be Feminism, religion, or whatever. TRP isn't any different. The point r/lukebeajeditonight is making is that just because something works on a superficial level doesn't mean its good for you, or that there aren't better ways of accomplishing the same goal. I work in the combat sports business and I see similar marketing programs ALL the time. Fake black belts who say they are giving you the keys to defend yourself and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:18 AM
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You sir, get it. Bravo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 01:32 PM
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Great post. RP will likely become highly monetized at the top, just like Feminism, with the messages changing in order to keep more money flowing in the more popular it gets. It's typical in ideologies marketed at the weak minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 01:30 PM
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But he doesn't say that. He doesn't even infer it. He literally outright says why he came to TRP, and why he was shamed, and it wasn't because he was a nice guy. He outright states the following: He was a nice guy. This didn't get him laid. This was upsetting. When he expresses what he wants in a relationship and from women, he is shamed and called misogynist. He never claimed, inferred, or implied women shamed him because he was nice. Also, I did use the word correctly. But feel free to post a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 10:33 AM
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I asked for a quote. You then provided the entire post knowing full well I wanted a specific quote. That was a sarcastic response. He spent the entire post talking about how being a genuinely nice guy led him to be shamed If he spent the whole post talking about it, it should be easy to find a quote then. You come across as having some issues, son. I just want a quote.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 03:08 PM
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You could have fooled me. The internet is not reality. By all means, tell me what is not positive and supportive about this advice. Looks like pretty good feedback. to me. Probably gave a number of lurkers something to think about, and even the one negative response still admitted you had some good ideas. I did. Look at the first few posts. Where? Your HS post was pretty good, but other than that everything seems to be targeted at bluepillers and constantly mentioning GLO. I didn't see any examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 03:04 PM
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I don't see where he said he was shamed for being nice. Please quote the specific sentence where this is mentioned. Or you can stop while you're ahead, because you and I both know that it doesn't exist, and your only hope of continuing the discussion is making sarcastic remarks that fail to address the point like you have just done.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 02:36 PM
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Nope. I went through it. Just because you went through it doesn't make you any less of a bully for doing it to others. Even making my own subreddit just so I had a place to brain dump. Every post on the front page of your sub is mocking TRP. "Brain dump." Come on. I'm not mocking you for struggling with identity issues. I'm mocking you for not listening to better fucking advice. Irrelevant. I mean I only graduated from STEM... You may be surprised by this, but not all TRP'ers hate their lives. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 04:58 AM
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That's a good point and I think you're right on the money in your analysis. The problem is that none of those other strategies are laid bare like the Chad strategy is. Individuals will offer their own person advice, but to a non well-adjusted incel, a single opinion on a message board holds just as much weight as "Be yourself." I think it would be interesting to see the formulation of other well rounded strategies for beta guys. I've always said that this would be the best way to lure men away f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 12:45 AM
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Being beta doesn't mean you have failed in life. It doesn't mean you make less money or are less successful than an alpha. It simply means you have a different set of inherent qualities and characteristics. For example, I would classify myself as a high/medium-high beta. I am a former professional fighter, I've had pretty great experiences with many women, and I have an awesome job that takes me all across the world. But I am not alpha. I am still soft-spoken, introspective, and introverted. Red…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 12:37 AM
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Being an asshole isn't over the top. It isn't a reflection of reality. Check my post history. It didn't start that way. "I wasn't a bully at first, but now I am." I've been around here for a while myself, and the moment I give up and feel the need to start insulting others is the moment I quit PPD and RedPill. I'm not going to sympathize with insulting other people because you tried not being a bully for a while. I'm not going to start a new sub because of some bizarre sense of validation I get …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:57 PM
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NO ONE HELPED US No one helped me either and I'm not complaining, but I also have enough empathy to recognize that sometimes other people weren't as fortunate to have the group of friends and upbringing that I did. I've tried to offer plenty of alternative non TRP advice. Go back and read the comment again. And? They called us "Nerds", but then 'nerds' became cool. Welcome to life. What? What does this mean? This doesn't make sense. Are you saying you should take advice from someone who insults …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:11 PM
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No, I'm not ignoring context. OP just simply never said that. If he did then quote it and prove me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:05 PM
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No one "shames" actual nice guys. This is what you said in your original comment. Now you are changing the argument to this: No one shames people for being actually nice...My claim isn't that nice guys will never get shamed. Yes it is! That's almost word for word what you said. But whatever. The OP's claim is that nice guys get shamed for being nice That isn't even OP's argument and I'm not sure where you are getting it from. OP said that when men try to discuss their problems of failing to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:41 PM
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You, like most bluepillers, seem to have difficulty looking at an incel's situation from anyone's perspective but your own. Their entire lives, incels are mocked by EVERYONE. Men, women, everyone. Even the social do-gooders on the internet who espouse the virtues of equality and non-judgement. As an incel, you have no success with women. No one attempts to help you. Then you find a resource that DOESN'T call you a piece of shit. That IS trying to help you. That has a community of like-minded sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:59 AM
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No one "shames" actual nice guys, that wouldn't make any sense. You're wrong. Women do shame nice guys. Men shame nice guys. The problem is that these people are so far below you on the social ladder that you probably don't do much but giggle at how socially retarded they are. Every high school class, every job, every get-together, has that one weird guy. Someone who wears his pants too high, or eats lunch away from the group, or is never invited to hang-outs, or makes awkward off-collar remarks…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 12:29 AM
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I understand, but my point was that the morality of the situation is grey. There is almost never an instance as simple as "I tricked a girl for three years on purpose just to have sex with her." Humans typically don't work that way. Again, I don't think it's good to make blanket statements like "a real friend would be understanding," as if someone who gets upset at ending a friendship, or a relationship, or not turning a friendship into a relationship, is any less of a friend or a good person be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 02:18 AM
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Arguments from an evolutionary perspective is one that in my opinion, should at least be considered. It is not necessarily specific comparisons to animals that holds weight, but the idea that human beings are animals and therefore follow many unconscious and primal instincts that most animals share, and that these instincts have become the basis in modern culture. The reason feminists hate this line of thought is because it goes against the idea that the ills of society are caused by culture, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 12:34 AM
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That's a black and white way of looking at things. Most people don't "pretend" to be someone's friend for years just to get in their pants without developing any real feelings of friendship. Relationships are not stagnant, they can transform the same way people do. You can start off being someone's friend but are attracted to them, become incredibly attracted to them, and then become attracted to them to the point that going back to a regular friendship isn't possible. Women oftentimes see the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 12:20 AM
3

Hence why a tinder 8 can be a 5 in real life. Pro headshots and make-up can make anyone look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 12:04 AM
1

Is it hypocritical for a short girl to want a tall boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:03 AM
2

Nice post. Would be interested to see r/RedPillDetox respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 11:41 PM
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You can't predict the future. You cannot know ahead of time what actions will cause harm and which will not. Having sex with a married woman causes harm, but if you do not know she is married, how could you possibly predict this possibility? You cannot retroactively make something impermissible. Your example is extremely silly. If someone is getting drunk with the intent to have sex with a married woman and he believes that causes harm, it would violate my example. If someone gets drunk without …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 09:10 AM
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Not only does it work, it's not even that hard. I think everybody enjoys someone being nice to them and starting a conversation. Sadly, no. I broke my hand too many times and I can't breathe out of the left side of my nose anymore. I prefer the job I have now. Less getting punched in the face repeatedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:55 PM
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For me, IRL is much easier. Online dating skews perception of what is normal and turns the unique [muscular bodies, interesting life experiences] into the mundane. For example, I was once a professional kickboxer. This information isn't anything special on the internet, but in real life it gets a significantly better response from women. Online dating is mainly good for older men and women who don't socialize as much or have a small circle of friends. The need to be attractive/interesting is muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:25 PM
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No, you're not doomed. Internet dating reduces a person to a photo and some generic lines of text that may or may not be valid depending on how they are interpreted. It ends up leaving men feeling desperate and women feeling bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 10:30 AM
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He doesn't care. The world doesn't care. The only opposition is in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:01 AM
1

But what do you think you're going to accomplish by responding to a post like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 08:54 AM
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I don't really have a perspective worth sharing. As far as relationships go, I tell other guys what's worked for me and I analyze things as objectively and fairly as possible, but in practice I end up interacting with women [and men] from my gut instead of my brain. I think RedPill can be right at times, and wrong at times. I'm sure I interact with the two sexes differently, but I don't see the value in analyzing my actions to the letter and becoming paranoid when I haven't had any issues so far…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 08:52 AM
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My personal perspective of women in general, or specifically when it comes to sexual strategy?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 08:20 AM
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Sure? Why not? Running around in a Batman costume waving a tree branch and screaming "THE BRITISH ARE COMING" is justified if it got you laid more. I have three rules when it comes to analyzing sexual strategy: Are you breaking any laws? Are you deliberately hurting anyone? Are you stripping someone of their agency [as in, are they still choosing to have sex with you out of their own free will]? If the answer to all three of those questions is no, then it simply becomes a matter of one individua…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 07:33 AM
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A is muscular.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 07:00 AM
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The problem, I think, is that women are often pretty clueless in regards to what men see as muscular. I can't open photo B, but photo A is DEFINITELY very muscular. The guy's veins are popping in his arms, he's filling out his shirt sleeves and his chest is well defined. He lifts. A lot. Nobody, besides maybe someone absurdly obese, would describe Kit Harrington as skinny. A body like that is the result of months of hard work in the gym, proper nutrition, and dedication. This isn't "slightly" mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 04:46 AM
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Do red pillers share this inability to think or examine the world they live in for themselves? This isn't exactly a common trait, even though the internet makes it seem like everyone has the capacity to critically analyze their own beliefs. Around 75% of Americans are religious. How many trust corporations? How many people listen to celebrities? I think it's a bit unfair to look down on RedPillers for trusting what others tell them and then to seek out alternative sources of guidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 02:11 AM
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Individuals will individual. I don't think anyone denies that RedPill is a beacon for many unfavorable people to congregate around. But if the literature is in direct opposition to the actions of people on the sub, it's just as silly to blame RedPill for those individuals as it is to blame Feminism for the radicals who openly state men are inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:29 AM
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No point in particular, but you've had some great responses in this thread. Good stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:27 AM
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Considering one of RedPill's most important tenants is being upfront and honest about your intentions from the very beginning, why do you consider yourself a Red Pill Opponent then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:16 AM
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I think that's your interpretation. Plenty of redpillers have become more liberal in their definitions of dread game, negging, the wider interpretations of RedPill, the fact EC's and Vanguards don't necessarily speak for the group, the demonization of betas, etc, while many blues have come to accept the reality of SMV, shit tests, the existence of incels and that RP caters to them, that plate spinning doesn't make one an asshole, and that not all redpillers are bad or even misguided people. Both…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 11:58 PM
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This is compartmentalization. It's a defense mechanism that happens unconsciously in order to prevent cognitive dissonance. If we believe very strongly in a particular ideology, like Feminism for example, it is very difficult to accept that a self-proclaimed anti-feminist can be an equally good, equally right, and equally fair person. To reduce the mental stress that accompanies these sorts of vastly differentiating ideas, especially those integral to our self-worth and personal identity, we [as…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 06:15 AM
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I don't think RP men are ugly. Only that a man who is so attractive his personality literally does not matter will probably not have a problem having sex whenever he wants. That's what the comment I was responding to was implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 10:21 AM
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If you are attractive enough to make a woman do the things listed in the OP, I don't think social awkwardness would have any impact on whether or not women were interested in you. It should go both ways. Even putting pussy on a pedestal as an attractive man will result in relationships and sex, which eliminates the need for RedPill. While I'm sure they exist, I have never met a man who was attractive enough for women to throw away their self worth for their affection and still be hopeless and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 10:13 AM
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What do you think the purpose of TRP is? Serious question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 01:53 AM
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If it’s just something you kind of think you should be or like the sound of then it’s not a big part of your life and so it’s just one influence among many others and likely not even the main one. Everyone does that. People who watch the Superbowl and kind of follow the playoffs say that they are football fans. Is that accurate? Yes. Are they as dedicated as someone who bets, religiously, watches every game, and attends multiple games through the year? No. Are they still fans? Yes. In the case o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 01:52 AM
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If any of it works, it's definitely really limited to people who want nothing more than sex. What do you think TRP is, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 01:42 AM
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I highly doubt men who are that attractive would need to use RedPill in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 01:37 AM
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I think it does qualify. The meaningful aspect of feminism or Christianity is only the belief/faith. A Christian who never goes to Church but believes Jesus died for their sins is still a Christian. In the same way, a Feminist who doesn't blog on the internet but believes in Patriarchy Theory and the historic oppression of women is still a Feminist. Being Christian or Feminist also influences your ideas, your political party and voting patterns, circle of friends, career, and so on. These lifest…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 04:49 PM
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Same reason people call themselves Christians even though the closest they get to God is saying a prayer before dinner. Personal identity, especially a personal identity that's very closely affiliated with morality can be an important thing to people who put high value on being a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 03:55 PM
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Why not? People talk about the things that matter to them. Just talking about something once in a while and not vigorously ramming it down someone's throat sounds pretty reasonable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 03:35 PM
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I would say there's a notable difference between feminists who have the time and energy to write extensive articles on the internet, and the majority of women who consider themselves as feminists because they believe women should have equal rights and the wage gap is a bad thing [whether or not it exists]. I think the mistake is assuming the average feminists are that much more radical or myopic than anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 03:30 PM
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Most women on a college campus. Went to one or two gender studies classes or read a blog, believe in "women's rights," probably think some old white men were to blame, sensitive to racism and sexism, don't really care enough to do anything about it besides bring it up at parties once in a while, don't have any idea what 'MRA' stands for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 02:32 PM
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You were joking, but I'm all for progress pictures. It's the only measurable way you can tell guys aren't completely talking out of their ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 02:24 PM
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I would say most feminists are reasonable. The internet blows the idiots of proportion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 02:14 PM
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There's nothing wrong with feminism when it is used as a tool to help others in dire need. The problem is that during the 1970's feminism started making absurd amounts of money from women's society donations and government funding. It has since become a multi-million dollar business. Feminism is not taught in schools in order to inspire young men and women to help poverty stricken third world country residents, but to instill a sense of pervasive social dogma that manifests in the form of dollar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 05:35 AM
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If a woman is obsessively reliant on internet dating in the first place it means they are either extremely ugly [in which you can't be enormously selective] emotionally unbalanced [see above] or desperately craves validation. I suspect the woman in question is the latter. As for the original question, the amount of dates varies. I go on very few. I will very rarely go out on a date with someone unless I am already pretty attracted to them and they have a tolerable personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:10 AM
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As someone who has worked in all three countries you mentioned and currently lives in China, this is absolutely correct. Even for a non-white guy such as myself it's still ridiculously simple. Asia is sex/relationships on easy mode for western men, and elite hard mode for women. Good luck getting a foreigner to stay faithful when he can get laid any day out of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 05:30 AM
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Any sub that is based solely around encouraging mockery or outrage towards a specific group of people, whether that be their ideas, personality traits, behaviors, or looks, is inherently harmful. It creates a sense of moral superiority and discourages empathy. Certain words, phrases, or actions become "hard lines" that illustrate the complete picture of someone's personality. If you want a captain/first-mate relationship, you must hate women. If you criticize certain social movements it means yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 11:46 AM
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That's called doxxing, and it is illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 11:50 PM
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Bro. I'm an inch taller than you and used to date women that actually stood over me when they wore heels. I know 5'6" guys with smoking hot girlfriends. The last date I had from OKCupid was with a very pretty girl whose first comment on my looks was "you're shorter than I thought." She has not stopped messaging me since then. Don't let the mindset limit you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 07:38 AM
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Look where you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 06:57 AM
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This is so bizarre. Almost everyone in this thread says they don't care about what other people do as long as it doesn't affect them, and yet the reason we are here is exactly because people DO care what others do even if it doesn't affect them. Some people in here are either lying or aren't being very honest with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 06:55 AM
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A lot more than PUA types are cocky. I grew up in a low income minority community and that was a common attitude in literally every high school class I attended and every neighborhood I lived in. To me, that attitude is a defense mechanism to protect standing in a group as well as a method of getting women's attention. Most of these guys tick every box on a TRP/PUA checklist but almost none of them post frequently to a place like reddit. For me personally, I work around businessmen and athletes,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 06:50 AM
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I don't have a problem with either power imbalance if both choose it. This is the core of my comment. Anything else is just personal preference in your personal relationships. There isn't too much point in discussing preference because it varies so much depending on the individual and there is never one correct solution. There is nothing inherently wrong or right with male dominated or female dominated relationships. Even if a man wants to make every single decision, there is absolutely no probl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:42 PM
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In some healthy relationships hierarchy is fluid. In others it is more rigid. In some the authority goes with the man, in others it goes with the woman. There are both successful outliers and averages. RedPill pursues an extreme, or an ideal. There is no problem with this power dynamic as long as the women who enter into it are happy and are treated honestly, both of which are core RedPill teachings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:34 PM
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We are not discussing whether power exists in relationships or not. The discussion, or rather my comment, is on why bluepill rejects the TRP theory of power, regardless of if it is true or not. I am not debating the validity of the theory in the first place, so there is nothing for me to "miss."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 04:32 PM
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Multiple bluepillers I've talked to have no problem if the relationship follows a captain/first-mate dynamic wherein the captain is female and the first mate is male. They see this as progressive and acceptable if the woman wants to have a career while the man stays at home. Several male Bluepillers have admitted they live a similar lifestyle and enjoy being stay at home husbands. The problem Bluepill has is not the power dynamics. It is that RedPill believes it is only the male/captain female/f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 12:46 PM
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But who cares if TRP is wrong about that? Do human beings not have free will? If women are not children, can't they choose what type of man they like or don't like? Doesn't this mean that any woman who is with a RP man DOES want this, and therefore the relationship is valid and desired on both sides?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 12:01 AM
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I never really understand why people are opposed to the captain/first-mate dynamic. That's just personal relationship model preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 09:07 AM
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If I knew which lottery numbers were picked at Bilderberg meetings maybe I could give you a clue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 08:29 AM
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It is, or else he wouldn't be running for President. The job of a politician is literally influencing the perception of the masses. They are figureheads, who use their charisma as a marketing tool in order to put the right people in decision making positions. Anyone who is running under the Democratic or Republican platform is a sock puppet for corporations, and that includes Trump. No one who isn't money hungry would ever run for the position of President.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 08:28 AM
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You don't have to apologize to me for what you want to support. You were the one who made the statement that feminists aren't the ones targeting male violence shelters and other male advocacy programs. You are wrong. You would be wrong if you were talking about 1981, you would be wrong if you were talking about 2015. It's nothing personal. I don't care what you think the solution is. I don't care why you think MRA's could do a better job marketing themselves. I don't care if you think MRA's are …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 08:23 AM
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They're all money hungry politicians. The American political system is so corrupt the presidential campaign is just a beauty pageant and special interest groups are the judges. As long as the Bilderberg meetings exist I will never vote. Hilary will win the election as planned.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 01:25 AM
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I think the only one getting pissy in here is you, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 12:31 AM
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I respectfully disagree with your assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 03:02 PM
1

Death by firing squad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 12:21 AM
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Yes. Everyone shit tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 06:53 AM
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All the people you referenced seemed to put themselves against feminism first They didn't do that. I don't know what else to say besides that is incorrect. Several of these women were well known feminists before becoming male rights advocates. It's simply a false statement on your part. But it doesn't make feminists (in general) anti-male advocacy. I'm not talking about in general. I'm talking about feminists who are the ones opposed to male violence shelters, who partake character assassination…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 03:15 AM
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She stopped working with feminists because of the blowback she received from her book. I mentioned two other prominent male advocates in my earlier posts. I've given you names and specific events. If you'd like anything more detailed, it's a simple matter to do a bit of looking on google. None of these individuals speak out against feminists until they are attacked because of their work. "Good" feminists refuse to acknowledge this aspect of feminism exists, that it's only a small minority doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 02:23 AM
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Erin Pizzey calls feminists mental patients as a result of what happened to her. They did not kill her dog because she called them mental patients. She WAS a feminist. And not just Erin, many others as well. You are victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 01:52 AM
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Regardless of if it's preferable or not, as you said, people don't act on complexity. Humans beings are hardwired to follow the clearest and most simple solutions whether or not they actually work. Telling an incel their problems are based on women, and the result is a healthier more active lifestyle, hobbies, and an increased social life solves multiple issues with one solution. Giving incels simple targets actually motivates them to do something about their lives. Waxing poetically about the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 01:46 AM
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Well, that's the thing with depression. Some people never realize what it is, or even that they have a problem. In fact most people don't. It's hard to not feel bad for those who have just accepted depression as an everyday part of life, in the same way men and women in abusive relationships oftentimes don't realize what they are doing is something that can even be corrected with medication or rehabilitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 07:20 PM
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It's almost impossible to resolve subconscious mental issues on your own. It would be like asking someone to just get over chronic depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 06:55 PM
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Yes. I don't disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 06:54 PM
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You are wrong. Notable feminists have received death threats, have been attacked, had their dogs killed, and other horrible things for merely suggesting men and women are equally abusive. Feminists also often block speakers who are male violence advocates, and have purposefully defamed male violence advocates who were WOMEN and never spoke out against traditional feminists. Feminists have campaigned under the banner "ONLY MEN ARE ABUSIVE" in response to the raising of these shelters. You are sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 06:51 PM
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Abuse is a cycle. Men who are abused as children are more likely to be physical abusers, women who are abused are more likely to enter and provoke abuse onto themselves, and engage in emotional abuse. It's a mental health issue. There's no so much conscious choice involved as people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 06:41 PM
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I love my life. My job sends me across the world and I get to be a part of something I feel is important. I love women. I've had some great relationships, and I prefer them to one night stands. I'm not angry at anyone. I support RedPill because they cater to incels and offer them guidance when no one else cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 06:37 PM
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are they constantly pitting themselves against feminism?? Regardless of what the MRA marketing process is, feminists have been opposed to male violence shelters and other male focused assistance spaces which is contrary to what you originally stated. I am not here to have a debate with you on MRA's, just correcting your factual inaccuracies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 05:44 AM
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I'm not wrong. I'm not even making an assertion, besides correcting your flawed interpretation of the above comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:41 PM
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Feminists have been the primary opposition in the opening of male violence shelters. Please look at commentary from feminist and male violence advocate Erin Pizzey, owner of the first [and subsequently closed] Canadian male violence shelter, the late Earl Silverman, and male violence advocate Anne Cools who have all battled with feminists over these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:29 PM
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Wrong. It was a comparison for being judged and condemned by the university system as in the cases of Mattress Girl without a defense. The point was that this is not the way the justice system operates, and no college should take it upon themselves to prescribe guilt without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 03:18 PM
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There are a lot more feminists in the world than just your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 12:19 AM
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I'd like to see more redpillers share details of their personal lives and their current relationships with women beyond the typical Captain/First Mate talking points. Bluepillers have an image of what a redpill relationship is like, and redpill constantly says you wouldn't be able to differentiate a RP lifestyle from a normal one. I'd like more physical, concrete examples of this without the pill language. It would help paint a better picture of what life is actually like for redpillers and not …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 09:25 AM
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Very true. Most sluts end up mentally broken and generally unstable. Wealthy, stable, but ugly guys end up divorced and depressed. Two pretty crappy roads to go down.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 07:50 AM
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That is what RedPill theory states, yes. Did you have a point?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 04:11 AM
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Being an average white person in the Philippines will get you sex easier than anything short of being a Filipino celebrity or rich. Local men have resentment towards foreigners for that exact reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 03:52 AM
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The Kurdish Peshmerga military is made up of 250,000 people. Less than 1% of them are women. Congrats on your talent for running.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 03:48 AM
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Replace Ukraine with "literally anywhere" and the message still gets across.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 03:23 AM
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There is a very wide gulf between hot and ugly that the majority of human beings fall into. If you lived in the Philippines for any period of time you should know that an average white man and the average Filipino have very different dating experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 03:14 AM
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Men want to have sex with porn stars, not marry or date them. No one is saying being promiscuous makes you a bad person, only that it is not a quality men want in a long term relationship. Also, if a porn star is your role model that says more about you as an individual than "society."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 03:09 AM
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Horny young men want to have sex with nearly anything that moves. Young women are quick to develop an incredibly strong emotional attachment to these men regardless of their character that deepens intensely after losing their virginity. This can and does often lead to teen-pregnancy, dependency, abortion, and other traumatizing experiences. Fathers understand this. They want to protect their daughters not because men are untrustworthy, but predictable, young, and sometimes very stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 04:26 PM
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Bizarre. As a man, C1 looks absolutely vomit inducing. Like human roadkill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 04:05 PM
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I used to believe that happiness stemmed from the happiness of others. Then I made a lot of money in a third world country and realized that sentiment was just shitty line rich people tell poor people to keep them from understanding how crap their lives are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 03:58 PM
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Interesting. In my experience this is BluePill debating tactics 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:50 PM
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That's called taking the pussy off the pedestal. It's one of the first key steps RedPill beginners must take in order to have any success in with the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:49 PM
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Wrong. As usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:42 PM
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Domestic violence shelters are not medical centers. But aside from that...Yes. That's the point. None of these points are suspicious or surprising. All businesses do these things. You asked how feminism made money. I explained. You thought feminism did not make money. You were wrong. Next, it is not paranoid to treat a business like a business. Do you think McDonald's doesn't have a board of directors? Walmart? Amazon? The Red Cross? And that these directors make decisions based on financial rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 01:40 PM
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There's a difference between spending your money on a family that loves and supports you, and giving 50% of your income to a woman fucking other men in a house you paid for but she now owns.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:15 AM
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Because they're black, and anyone PC enough to care would never call out a minority for being "toxic."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 03:43 AM
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ding ding ding
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 03:40 AM
2

That is my actual name, in real life. One of the most surreal parts of reading TRP for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 01:44 PM
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Go check out the list of national feminist organizations, and then check how much a yearly membership fee is, along with the numbers of members in the program already. Usually this fee is around $50 per year with options for $1000 lifetime memberships, and the larger organizations have easily half a million to over a million members worldwide. Additionally, for a presence on campuses these organizations also charge a fee [Something like $100-$200] to set up satellite branches at universities whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 12:17 AM
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Feminists are mainly good people trying to help others. Feminism is a hundred million dollar business. The entity of feminism's goal is to make money, not help people. Feminists become indoctrinated because they are tricked into believing people cannot do good things for women without the help of feminism. It is a trick and a scam. No organization that makes millions of dollars gives a fuck about helping anyone but themselves. That's just business.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 04:47 PM
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Go back and read the first sentence of the post you responded to. I never said the responsibility of having the disorder rests on them but the responsibility to control it solely rests on that person. Do you understand how mental illness works? Do you understand severe mental illness is not the same as wanting to eat cheeseburgers? Would you rather we imprison pedophiles because according to you having self control is ineffective and useless? Go back and read the first sentence of my last post. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 04:06 PM
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You're saying they need to control their urges as if they should be all the responsibility for a debilitating mental disease, but you can't even control your urge to eat less cheeseburgers. You are incapable of using empathy to understand the difficulty of applying self restraint when your brain is telling you otherwise. I don't believe you should condemn pedophiles to a social death sentence and jail as long as the sex they have with teenagers isn't abduction or rape. I think they should be giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 04:01 PM
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Because you know their relationship dynamics enough to make that call, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 03:34 PM
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I really don't think it does. I've never met anyone who knows TRP exists. Or uses reddit, for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 07:36 AM
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Not at all. Hilary doesn't give a fuck about women. She's a politician chasing money just like the rest of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 07:29 AM
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Thats ridiculous a huge part of handling a mental illness is self discipline. I would say a bigger part is actually getting the proper treatment for a mental condition and not being treated as though being attracted to children is a choice people make. Stop acting like I'm saying people don't need to exercise self-control at all. I said it's not right to put all the responsibility on the person with a mental issue. whether that be an urge to think negatively about everything, steal, hurt childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 07:28 AM
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The fact you are referring to the manosphere like it has any sort of real world support is a sign maybe we all need a break from redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 07:24 AM
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And yet you do eat sometimes yes? And you do have sex sometimes yes? And you do get anxious sometimes yes? So how good at you at you never giving in to your urges, ever? Do you think a pedophile is raping children every second of every day, or do you think they are primarily trying to resist an urge for 99% of their lives? That is useless, stupid, completely pointless advice, and it's that sort of inability to look at the mentally disabled empathetically that's led to such a fucked up mental hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 07:21 AM
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Being an athlete has nothing to do with the health of her baby. Genetics, how do they work?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 06:58 AM
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The only place I've seen that happen is TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:17 AM
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r/wombatinaburrow is sticking up for the mother a few posts down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:14 AM
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Pretty sure TRP doesn't represent any sort of larger collective.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:12 AM
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And I'm saying asking a pedophile to just "control their urges" is like asking a kleptomaniac not to steal. If you know anything about mental illness, you know that it is not as easy as simply controlling yourself. You probably aren't compelled 24/7 to do something that is illegal, so I'm sure it's very easy to say "Control yourself." Society should take the initiative to help these people, and not put all the responsibility on the person with a mental disorder not to act how their brain is tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 01:57 AM
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I'm sure they told that to the gay community as well. I'm not saying it's okay for these people to have sex with children, only that it's no so black and white when they act on a natural urge with a consenting teenager that is capable of making their own sexual choices with others. Instead of being demonized pedophiles should be looked at as normal people with mental disorders that need help.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 01:38 AM
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I think it is something genetic, yes. Most people aren't attracted to 15 and 16 year olds specifically, they're attracted to the adult qualities those girls have. A very pretty 16 year old could probably pass for an 18 year old. That's fine. It's just a recognition of attractive qualities. But being attracted to girls because of a youthful appearance instead of an older, sexy appearance...well that's a bit different. It's the opposite of what evolution has programmed men to look for in a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 04:37 PM
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No. I think they have a mental issue. You can't control who you're attracted to. I'm sure none of those men want to be attracted to little kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 04:30 PM
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Who qualifies as a child? 15 and 16 year olds? They're having sex already most of the time. If they have consensual sex with a 30 year old man should he be put to death? I think that's a fine tightrope to walk. Anything pre-puberty is rape until defined otherwise in my opinion, but when teenagers are capable of making their own sexual choices and an older man is attracted to these girls because of a genetic mutation, and he neither harms them or abuses them against their will...like I said, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 11:52 AM
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Yeah, I pretty much agree. Increasing SMV is number one. I actually wish RP went into more detail about this as well, because it's not just about having a skill, it's about being good at that skill and then being confident in your ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 10:25 AM
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That's actually a great point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 09:57 AM
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Yeah I agree with that, I argue it a lot here. They say repeatedly, RedPill is not for LTR's. Yet the most common complaint I see is that it's bad for relationships. Well duh...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 09:55 AM
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I wasn't talking about the 19th century, though it still somewhat applies. Human history is pretty long. I believe you can prepare your way or plan your way into almost anything. If you plan that much then it isn't really an extreme risk, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 08:38 AM
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I'm not a great looking guy. "Different looking" is about the best compliment I get. But I've never been in a relationship with a woman who didn't find me very attractive, and wasn't very attractive herself. Being attractive overall is one way to have success with the opposite sex, but I believe actions are a much larger part of the formula. RedPill is like the McDonalds of sex. There is no love or passion in a McDonalds burger. It is cheap, it is good, and it is easy to find. Like RedPill, McDo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 08:32 AM
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Game is just another word for appearing charming. It looks weird when it's written down because normally these are social cues everyone understands instinctively, but it really isn't much more than what categorizing what successful people already do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 08:10 AM
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Yeah, I realize that. But I'm saying without machines and technology, the amount of actual labor a child or woman can do is limited. And because it's limited, it cuts off options. Most of the merchants and business minded non-nobles started off as laborers and rose through the ranks. So it's a bit of a vicious cycle. A woman in that period doesn't have the ability to do hard labor and raise children at the same time, so the men do the hard labor and the tasks are split. Men rise and women stay a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 08:06 AM
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How is an 8 year old going to till soil? How is a 10 year old going to care for a newborn baby? The infant morality rate pre modern medicine is already staggering. I don't think you're thinking this through, or have any real understanding of what it is like to struggle on a physical level.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 07:11 AM
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And right before those women died horrendously in their first battle, they realized what a huge mistake they had made.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 07:07 AM
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Helping out is different from doing the lion's share of the labour on a farm, in an era without machines and other technological advances. The work women did could also typically be done by children. Farmwork and similar labour required strength, endurance, and was often times extremely physically exhausting and frequently ended up killing much larger, stronger men. If a child needs to be raised, and soil needs to be tilled, why have the weaker of two people do the job that requires the most mus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 07:05 AM
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There were very, very, very few. There were fewer men who passed as women. Guess why? They were incapable of having children and hence it was impossible for them to collect the benefits of being a woman. Do you honestly think men wanted to leave their families and die on a battlefield? Do you think that was something they enjoyed doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 06:57 AM
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You have a 21st century first-world perspective. Really working, as in out in a field or making concrete or other forms of intensive labour [That which was most common pre industrial era] is not fun. It is not enjoyable. Most women in these situations would rather be provided for than toil, even in the modern era. That might upset you, but it's the truth. Business opportunities don't magically fall in your lap just by having a penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 06:54 AM
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Would you rather have good business opportunities, but also have a high chance of being called out on a battlefield and potentially violently killed, or have bad business opportunities, and never have to pick up a weapon? Neither option is any worse. Both suck. No one had it easier, historically, besides the rich men and the rich women who married them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 06:42 AM
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I gave up when I saw "CMV: Opera is Redpill."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 06:35 AM
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Historically, men marched hundreds of miles wearing armor to get murdered in the most gruesome way possible while the women stayed at home with the children. Not too sure using the past is a good metric for comparison if you're only telling half the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 02:20 AM
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East Asian woman probably on par with black men. They're still definitely below "normal", european woman. East Asian women are literally the most desirable woman, even in the US. They get more attention than any other race in online dating. I think you're letting your personal bias get in the way of objectivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 02:15 AM
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Prostitutes- they're illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 02:24 PM
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If you think a hot Asian or Hispanic woman is ranked lower than normal men and women....bruh. Get outside more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 02:18 PM
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Really? Man I'd take the money any day. Fuck these hoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 02:15 PM
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And it's not shaming or laughing at his virgin status, but questioning where his hate is coming from and saying that maybe if had more interaction with women.... Yes. That's what's a bluepiller is doing when they call someone a 'virgin neckbeard.' Not mocking his virginity or weight, but questioning. Come on. Don't try to sugar coat it. It's an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 04:54 AM
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Do you understand how a discussion works? If we are talking about what restaurant in town to eat at and you bring up restaurants in the next state over, that is a completely irrelevant point which is of no use to anyone. Bringing up the same subject matter in a different context from what is being discussed has no bearing or purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 02:35 AM
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How is not liking a certain accent racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 02:09 AM
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That's completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 01:59 AM
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It has to do with what you are raised around. If you are an Asian man who has been raised in a traditional Asian family in an Asian neighborhood, you will probably prefer Asian women. If you are an Asian man who has gone to a primarily white school, had white friends, and white neighbors, you will probably have an attraction to white women. I know Asian men from the south that have a preference for black women. I've dated Asian women who had a preference for minorities. Preference isn't random a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 01:29 AM
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A simple observation is a clear statement of your point, which as you said in your last post is in opposition to my own. You have not made any sort of oppositional point in this discussion. All you've done is use sarcasm, which coincidentally proves my original assertion that when bluepillers have no argument they fall back on sarcasm without attempting any sort of legitimate discussion. I would say that now, we're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:12 AM
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What is your simple observation?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:55 AM
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You don't need statistics when you have simple observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:47 AM
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Actually, I find the Redpillers are usually the ones who are primarily doing the discussing, explaining, and critical examination of their own beliefs, while bluepillers like yourself are more likely to use sarcasm and belittlement for more or less no reason. There are plenty of redpillers who do the same, but numerically it's a more common trend on the other foot. Your response is typical of a bluepiller.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:35 AM
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But why are you being sarcastic then? Honest question. I see this often from bluepillers or people leaning blue. It's adding nothing to the discussion, it isn't clever or interesting, it's a response with no point or purpose. In my opinion it seems like a way out of arguments you don't want to have anymore. Sort of like when you ask someone why they failed to graduate and they insult your shoes instead of answering. When bluepill is on the backfoot it's much easier for them to insult and use sar…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:14 AM
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Why? Internet points?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:55 AM
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Is the Domestic violence against women page "fairly balanced?"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:54 AM
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You're coming off as really pathetic right now, honestly. I'd stop while I was ahead, if I were you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:41 AM
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That doesn't make sense though. There has to be someone enforcing it to be a role that is forced onto others, yes? If it's not forced onto others, or even implied to be the norm, then the word loses all meaning and becomes a stand in for "This is the way people act." In fact, I would say in this day and age it is actually the opposite that is true. Gender roles are actively denounced by nearly everyone. So why is it after years of feminist thinking, feminist presidents, children being raised as …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:12 AM
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Who exactly is enforcing this gender role?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 05:19 PM
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That isn't a strawman. It's a question using the exact same wording you used in your reply. Please stop misusing the term strawman as a quick way to get out of arguments you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 12:52 AM
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Correct. Just to elaborate on your point, Alpha bux is not a strong, family minded provider. Alpha bux is a man who has tons of money, is at the top of the social food chain, and couldn't care less about the women around him. Drug dealers and pimps are Alpha bux as well. Beta fux can be anyone from a traditional husband to the independent artist described in the OP. The difference between "bux" and "fux" is that the former is desired primarily for their money and status, and the other is desired…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 02:34 AM
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There is no proof that any of the women, besides possibly 3, had anything less than an average body type.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 01:30 AM
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It's a general guide for Christ sakes. The photos are just examples of the writer's personal preferences. The writing on each side clearly communicates what the value for each number is supposed to be. You guys need to stop being so overly invested in little details like the race of the women used on an SMV scale. Use your own brain! Make your own list!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 01:15 AM
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I think we've finally the point where there is literally nothing left to talk about on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 03:58 PM
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You PC bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:28 PM
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Agreed. I think too many people honestly are only judging off the upper end of the scale without realizing just how ugly people on the lower end of the scale can be. This is the chart I use in my mind while making scores. http://i.imgur.com/EsOwgTg.jpg I don't think any of these women are 4's, definitely not 3's. The "average" face is truly a very wide distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 03:44 AM
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5 6 5 5 5 6 I'm not much to white people, so none of these women interest me. But objectively this is how I see their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 03:33 AM
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You too Xemnas!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 07:27 AM
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I'd personally go with AIDS, but to each his own I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 05:49 AM
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I'm not saying it's advanced TRP. I'm saying an incel is not going to be able to open r/seduction and have success, whereas a high-beta can do exactly that. An incel needs a starting point to deal with much deeper issues before even attempting game.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 05:40 AM
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As someone who is neither a low beta, incel, or otherwise have-not, I do agree with you that plenty of other people from all walks of life can and do use TRP for a variety of different ends. That being said, I think TRP does PRIMARILY appeal to betas, incels, and have-nots, and the kicker is I think that is a GOOD thing. Most people who find RedPill do so because they are searching out sexual strategy for beginners. That "beginners" is key. An experienced alpha is more likely to go somewhere lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 05:00 AM
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how about you just figure out the type of girls who are attracted to you right now and only ask those girls out on dates? What if someone isn't happy with their selection of the girls that are attracted to them right now? What if they want to attract better looking women? Why not just be yourself Because hot girls don't like out of shape slobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 03:37 AM
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Honestly? Because of feminism and how it's framed traditional gender roles to be a bad thing. I know so many intelligent, educated women who love dominant, decision making, sexually aggressive men, but would utterly pull back if any of those men admitted they were dominant decision makers who were sexually aggressive. Feminism has created a huge cognitive dissonance in this way, and it sucks for pretty much everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 04:10 PM
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You've been on this sub a long time and this is common knowledge. Honest question, why are you still posting here?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 03:05 AM
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You've got to remember that the people who are compelled to oppose TRP on a daily basis usually have some personal experience with rape, abuse, bad relationships, or are corrupted by feminism and are therefore battling RP out of a sense of self-preservation. TRP merely existing makes them genuinely upset, so any story about rape, fictional or not, stranger or not, is all the evidence they need to justify their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 03:01 AM
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Of course I would call the police! I wouldn't call the police.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 02:54 AM
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Because TRP doesn't care about LTR's and actually suggest men avoid them altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 02:45 AM
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I could agree with that in theory, but in practice saying "I want a submissive woman" probably wouldn't work out so well, even with submissive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 09:04 AM
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I don't think it would set the wrong tone. In all of my long term relationships except one the women have been the approachers, not the approachees. And in all those relationships the women took the submissive role. One thing I make very clear is that I want a woman to tell me what she wants in the beginning. I think it's stupid to do this back-and-forth game of perception and angling and dropping subtle hints. Just be upfront about what you like. You can literally say, "I want my boyfriend to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:07 AM
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I think most people who claim to be leaders of idealogical movements without being elected to those positions by the will of the people through demonstrable results is trying to take advantage and make money. PUA guys are the worst. I've never seen a single PUA guy on Youtube that has ever done anything more than talk and fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:18 PM
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My assertion is that TRP is generally correct but very difficult to achieve for the vast majority of men. I could agree with that. I think the majority of what TRP users take away that categorically improves their lives is advice on lifting and developing a more healthy lifestyle. SMV is the basis of attraction, and like you said, your nature isn't something that can be altered so easily. I wish TRP was presented in a healthier way, because what it seems to me is that most men would rather focus…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:22 AM
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Thanks for the advice! I think I've got a decent handle on things though. Take it easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:05 AM
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Haha yeah. Well, that was over ten years ago. I trained in Thailand a bit and fought as a professional kickboxer since then. Now I work on the production end of MMA events. Decent money and significantly less brain trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:50 AM
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Would love to see you being a tough guy with a real mma fighter. MMA fighters work for me, so fortunately I get to be a tough guy and still not get my ass kicked.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:29 AM
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How does wanting to date an attractive woman prove these men are ignoring large parts of the female population? I want a lot of things. I want a Lamborghini. It doesn't mean I won't take an old busted pick-up truck to work if that's all I have available. I also know enough about male behaviour to know that none of us go around hitting on the least attractive women. I really suggest you look at some of the fake profiles that are made on OKCupid. People have proven even female 1's get messaged on …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:55 PM
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Yes. During my college years I was the captain of the university Taekwondo team. One of my students was a yellow belt who had a very attractive girlfriend that was a more experienced martial artist. She started taking my class alongside him. In that class there were maybe 100 odd people, spread out over the course of 3-4 days. There were plenty of other black belts and experienced fighters. It was well known I was on top. I'm honestly not bragging. I had won the junior Olympics twice at that poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:47 PM
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Do you actually have any proof of self proclaimed incels ignoring large swathes of the female population? Because there is actual, physical proof of extremely ugly, overweight women being messaged courteously and thoughtfully by non overweight/average looking men on dating sites. Where are you getting your ideas from?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:29 PM
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HAHA yeah LMAO, it's such a good point that transsexuals have by far the highest HIV rates by demographic because fucking people for money is the only work they can get because no legitimate business will hire them. Why wouldn't any man want to face a near lifetime of abuse walking the earth as some abomination that isn't attractive to anyone besides as some bizarre fetish!! HAHA FUCK you sure got those idiot redpillers!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:11 PM
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Can you read? Where did I say bodybuilding is like a professional sport? I literally said they are like athletes in the sense they are trying to be the best in the world at what they do. Do you understand what that means or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 05:00 PM
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who can't do shit in terms of competition Sure they can. What, do you think they grew into their muscles overnight?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:59 PM
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Professional bodybuilders are no different from professional athletes in other sports, in the sense that they are trying to be the best in the world at their particular brand of athletics [weight-lifting over a long period of time]. I know many body builders. A lot of them come into combat sports and end up getting their asses kicked, but for the most part some are cool and some are dicks, like anything else. As far as the alpha/beta dichotomy goes most are low alphas or high betas. But again, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 09:10 AM
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So it's okay to make fun of neckbeards because some redpillers are neckbeards?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 02:59 AM
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Completely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 02:36 AM
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"haha you are a fat, unkempt guy who lives with his mom and still have a smug superiority complex that manifests itself into heavy handed internet sexism". But is it really though? Let's take a look at the top posts on r/justneckbeardthings , to see if your argument holds up, shall we? http://i.imgur.com/FSTNysa.jpg : At worst, this guy is socially awkward and introverted, but more than likely he and the others are chatting with someone visa Skype who cannot attend the gathering. Anyway, top com…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 11:22 AM
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Then...you're mocking a point I didn't make, which makes you not only stupid, but illiterate? Again, typical BluePill response. Has nothing to say, so responds with sarcasm that makes zero sense and doesn't address the point. The reason is that you compare humans to lions to paint a pretty picture of why nature has assigned human men and women specific roles. Unsurprisingly, this depiction has the female in the subordinate role. Is reading a strenuous task for you? I literally said: I'm not agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:19 AM
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No, it's all men. It's all people. AWALT qualities apply to men as well. What varies is the amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:08 AM
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Go actually read RedPill before commenting and find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 12:23 AM
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As usual, BluePill completely misses the point. This is one of the reasons I have to cut back posting here, because the echo chamber is unfathomably thick on both ends of the stick. I am not literally comparing humans to lions. I am not saying humans should act like ANY animals. My point is that just because RedPill believes men should be the leaders in relationship does not automatically mean women are viewed as lesser for that reason. My lion example was to demonstrate how there are animals th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 12:19 AM
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Tried it. Failed. That site is a nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:07 PM
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Yes they have. That's dark triad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 09:46 AM
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But RP is more like calling the male lion the pack leader, and the female lions his pride. Because it is. As in that is actually how that biological system operates. Calling a female lion part of a male lion's pride doesn't mean people see a lioness as "lesser." She just has a different role within the group and it doesn't involve leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 09:45 AM
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I don't need an excuse to bash feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 09:43 AM
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This sub can't decide what side it's on 90% of the time. RP argues BP points when the argument suits it and vice versa. It's mainly about disagreeing for the sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 07:34 AM
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I wouldn't mind. I'd rather do that than post on PPD in the first place. This place gets frustrating after a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 06:10 AM
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What's an irc?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 06:09 AM
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I highly doubt most women would like to be brought food and then called fat on a first date, joke or not. In fact it's a bit weird this is upvoted, considering if TRP said to do something similar they would get insulted for it on BluePill.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 01:20 AM
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She can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 03:14 AM
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If he's really close to you then making you Mac n Cheese is irrelevant. Try to think of someone you aren't close to, who you don't know well, making you Mac n' Cheese, taking a big bite out of it and saying you don't need the calories as a joke. Same or different situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 03:12 AM
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He was your boyfriend. You were already attracted to him. Whether he cooked or not was irrelevant, it was the act of him doing something for YOU that he didn't have to that was attractive. Right now we are talking about men who are not in relationships, who are not even around first base, and who women are not even attracted to you yet. Of COURSE if a woman is a attracted to a man and he cooks for her then its a great thing. Bluepillers spend so much time pointing out and upvoting the obvious re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 03:08 AM
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No, that isn't the point. They are saying that the trait of making a woman food she didn't ask for is only attractive quality if she is attracted to the man already for other reasons. Would a man you are unattracted to or do not like making you mac n cheese win your heart, or increase your urge to fuck him? No, of course not. That's ridiculous, right? You might even find it super creepy that someone who you're not interested you in is bringing you food to eat like it's some kind of offering. TRP…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 03:05 AM
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Well, laying around watching anime and eating food is pretty easy. I do that too, when I have time for it. Going to the gym and exercising is really, really difficult by comparison, and the results sometimes take weeks before they start showing themselves. It's a matter of instant gratification vs. delayed gratification. Honestly, once you get over the initial hump of breaking out of your comfort zone exercising and eating right becomes just as fun as sitting around watching anime. Most ugly guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 02:35 PM
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There are many women out there who value a toned body more than a face. If you're fit and you can find those women then there's no problem. Many of those women are very attractive. I know this, because I'm not conventionally attractive and I've been in relationships/had sex with extremely attractive people who had a wide range of what faces they find attractive, but the common factor with each of them was that they were turned on by a six pack and a wide back. Being fit also raises your confiden…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 01:53 PM
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It's not fair to make the comparison between hot faces with average bodies and ugly faces with hot bodies. You need to use the equivalent body of an ugly face, which is to say, morbidly obese as opposed to average. Would I rather pursue an ugly girl with a hot body or a cute morbidly obese girl? Personally, I'd find the one with the ugly face more sexually appealing. is it worth working out or doing that kid of self improvement if you are clearly ugly. Yes? I'd rather be an ugly guy with a hot b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 01:19 PM
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Huh? You think the only people who get abortions are rape victims?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 07:15 AM
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If I had to chose between a girl with an average face and a crazy hot body, and a girl with a hot face and an average body, I would consider either choice a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 07:11 AM
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I'm in a country which has blocked Youtube so I can't watch the video, but I'll respond to your last bit of the question. I think most feminists are great people. This may come as a surprise to anyone who has read my posts on this board, because I am one of the largest [if not the largest] anti-feminist that regularly posts here. But overall, feminists are usually made up of a pretty awesome group of individuals: Compassionate, intelligent, thoughtful, kind, and generous. Most of the people I kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 12:44 PM
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But it doesn't go against survival instincts or else animals wouldn't do it. I'm not sure you understand evolution. Anything action that occurs in the wild, whether it's rape, murder, child abuse, domestic violence, or cannibalism is evolution. Even if it seems contradictory to survival, it's evolution. Even if it defies common sense, it's evolution. I'm not a scientist nor do I know anything about animals. But I do know what evolution is. And like I said in my last response to you, the only pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 12:26 PM
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Sure it does, otherwise animals wouldn't do it. You're applying a current cultural mindset to evolution. Certain species kill, severely injure, or traumatize their partners just during sexual reproduction alone. This all has a purpose in evolution just like anything else. Do you believe early humans never hit their mates or children? That's a recent phenomena in your mind? Violence towards women, other than rape So rape is fine then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 10:02 AM
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Third wave feminism doesn't care about women. It doesn't care about homosexuals. It doesn't care about minorities. It cares about money. It's not trying to help people, it wants to cause outrage, and through that outrage line their own pockets. The movement will continue flitting from one victimized group to the next as long as it keeps those memberships fees rolling by the millions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:53 AM
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Say goodbye to abortions for people who consent to sex. Better?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:47 AM
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Plenty of animals solve problems through violence, including domestic violence. How isn't it supported by evolution?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:45 AM
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Good post. Well written and well reasoned. I disagree on some points, but they're more or less inconsequential in the overall gist of things. Nice work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:39 AM
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Biology also supports men beating the shit out of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 07:52 AM
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I don't understand this logic. Women can't afford something so men have to pay for it? If a woman can't pay for a kid it needs to go to a parent who can. How about this, whoever pays more gets the kid. If the mother can't afford it off to child services it goes. Why should idiot mothers be rewarded with money because theyre shitty parents? Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 07:47 AM
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Let's make it a law that if a man gets a woman pregnant she must have the child if he wants it, no matter what. The world isn't an ideal place, we just have to work with what we've got. Thats why the goal is to fix inequities! This is a fixable inequity! Why are you so deadset about keeping men hostage of a broken system? I guess you shrug your shoulders at saudian arabian rape law too right? I mean thats just how it is right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 07:39 AM
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The better suggestion is that if a woman chooses to have a child and the father doesnt consent to parenthood then she pays HERSELF. Can't afford it? Don't have the kid. Kid is starving? Hello child services. You keep ignoring this point. No. It's just an irrelevant point. Why should what you personally believe lock me into an eighteen year comittment? How about this, women can't legally get abortiins without say so from their husbands. Fair right? Goes both ways right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 07:34 AM
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It IS that way. Ok. And the reality is in India women get battery acid thrown in their face. So...what, that should stay the same? Generally people aren't okay with leaving innocent children to fend for themselves Abort. I see no reason, unless there is a serious health risk or no finances, why you can't abort a child. If the man has money to abort and the women chooses not to take, that's on her now. He made the choice to have unprotected sex with her. Let's not completely vest him of responsib…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:33 PM
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YOU can't get an abortion. Women get abortions. Remember how life isn't fair? The person with the fetus inside them gets veto power. Sorry. Then men shouldn't have to finance raising a child they don't want. Duh. You don't get all the power, none of the downsides, and all the money too just because you feel like it. Unfairness should go both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:29 PM
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It's a really, really tricky subject. It shouldn't be. If two people agree to have a child, they both pay. If only one person agrees, one person pays. Again, that's why I think the best rule of thumb is just to use a condom Sure, but no point talking about safe sex really, we're more focused on the repercussions of unsafe sex, and whether the laws in place are fair. but like I said: it's the ultimate price of having sex. For men. Women can have an abortion at any time. Women can also choose to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:25 PM
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I think that's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:37 PM
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But at the same time, it's just an unfortunate reality. Well, yes. That's the point. It doesn't have to be this way, and it shouldn't be this way. It's unfair and wrong. The law should change. Yes, they do. But some don't, and then we have a problem. It should be the mother's problem. It's her choice, not his. If you make a choice on parenthood together, you bear the consequences together. If you make a choice on parenthood alone, you should bear the consequences alone. Men can't force women to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:36 PM
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Ok, that's fair. Let's say the male then offers to pay for an abortion. That's him taking accountability, yes? If the mother refuses, it's no longer his responsibility. You cannot be held accountable for another person's choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:32 PM
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What if the father wants it but the mother doesn't? Does he get a check from the mother worth the amount of the baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:16 PM
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Another irrelevant comment. You're essentially saying men must accept potentially legally binding parenthood anytime they have sex [with or without a condom] but women aren't required to do that. Is that fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:14 PM
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Then consent to sex is consent to motherhood. Say goodbye to abortions!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:10 PM
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Sure can. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:05 PM
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His decision to have unprotected sex with her seems like a good enough reason to me. Why? How is a single instance of unprotected sex somehow equal to an 18 year financial burden? Those two things don't seem very equitable to me. if you create a life you don't get to walk away from it. Yes you can. It's called abortion. Women do it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:01 PM
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"You knew what you were getting into" is an irrelevant phrase that has no meaning. You cannot control another human being and you should not be held accountable for someone else's choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:00 PM
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Why did you add on "no external support?" I think the obvious solution here is to hire a sitter/nanny.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:40 PM
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No, they want neither. If a woman wants to have a child and raise it and the man does not, that is her choice to do so. However, I see no reason why a man has to financially support her selfishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:37 PM
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Making a child and having/raising are child are two very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:35 PM
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Oh, I missed that. AMALT isn't as structured as AWALT, as TRP will say pretty often since "they aren't trying to date men." But AMALT is normally seen as valuing beauty over personality, desire for sexual variety [multiple sexual partners at once], dark triad traits like narcissism and psychopathy, and so on. And just like AWALT, AMALT says that while not all men have these traits in the same amount or degree, that all men do possess these characteristics to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 01:50 PM
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Hypergamy, solipsism, etc. It's TRP 101, you should probably know this if you're interested in being an informed debater. There's plenty of threads on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 01:35 PM
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If the meaning of a shittest is so broad it is not useful. Why not? An apple is food. Ice cream is food. A 50 foot tall jello castle is food. Why would a term applying to many things somehow invalidate the term? Basically your saying everyone tests everyone else just the same, we named it "shittests" to sound edgy LOL. Sure, if that's how you want to look at it. I'm not very interested in discussing the history of the nomenclature, only correcting your factual inaccuracies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:58 AM
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Not necessarily. Even men can use shit tests against other men. A shit test is only the act of using words or actions in order to gauge another person's response. Here's a helpful paragraph from "Everything you need to know about shit tests" that sums things up nicely. Why are they called shit tests? Well when somebody "gives you shit" and fucks around with your head to see how you will react, what you are experiencing is typically a (series of) shit test(s). Everyone has been shit tested, gets …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:41 AM
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Some feminists disagree on the interpretation of patriarchy. Some Christians disagree on the interpretation of Gensis. Some literature enthusiasts disagree on the interpretation of Ernest Hemingway's "For Whom the Bell Tolls." Some redpillers disagree on the interpretation of AWALT. This isn't exactly a stunning revelation. Just because you believe in a core theory: "All women share certain traits in varying degrees." [And I should clarify, TRP also believes AMALT] - doesn't mean that phrase isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:29 AM
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I would disagree with that based on personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 07:48 AM
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I think that really says something about the mindset of these women. They are not remotely interested in actually preventing their own rape. It's like they accept the rape is going to happen, welcome it even, just so they have they have an incredibly small chance to make sure the rapist is caught and put behind bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 01:21 AM
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Uh...jail?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 01:50 PM
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But you did misunderstand the point, whether it was a joke or not, as has been demonstrated multiple times in this thread. Not sure why the joke part matters when it's your thought process I'm responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 03:46 AM
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I can agree with your idea on the surface level, but I think your concept is more or less inconsequential to the success of TRP. Deep, underlying truth isn't particularly relevant to most redpillers. They say they are interested in truth, as in getting to the heart of what makes relationships tick, but what they really want is what works, regardless of if there are deeper meanings to that truth or not. You also have to understand what people are looking for on TRP: Sexual strategy that can be ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 03:36 AM
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Hard to tell when so many people on this thread are going off on their own incorrect assumption of what is being said when the meaning in the OP is stated very clearly. Also, are you really saying that now we aren't allowed to interject in reddit conversations we aren't a part of? Is that a new site wide rule I missed somewhere, or are you just trying to add something snarky for the sake of it without putting any thought into what you're writing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 03:22 AM
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Yeah, not what the conversation is about at all. It's like speaking to a wall sometimes, I swear.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:32 AM
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And that is what the discussion is about. Many people say, yes obviously all women want men with pleasing features but men have twisted that along the way, and people like you say, no pleasing features are not important. All that's important is that you as an individual find someone attractive. Which proves my point. There is no consensus among women whether pleasing features is necessary, when with men there is. This is what leads to confusion, as you aren't even able to grasp the concept of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:30 AM
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Typical Bluepill. Has nothing to say or actually address the argument so responds with sarcasm that isn't funny and doesn't even make sense. Why are you even on this board?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:26 AM
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Yeah, absolutely. I just meant I could believe this unstable chick said something like that when pushed into a corner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 02:01 PM
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I've had women say similar things in moments of teary breakdowns. You'd be surprised how cruel and honest someone can be when they're pushed into a corner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 01:43 PM
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No. He isn't saying that you should have given him advice as it pertains to salvaging that relationship. But clearly he has some personal issues to resolve, and your advice didn't give him anything to work on within himself or change so that he doesn't find himself in this type of relationship again in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 01:42 PM
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Attractiveness here refers to a series of physical qualities that most people would agree are "good looking."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 12:39 PM
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You completely ignored my last post. I've noticed this is a common trend in TRP. My point, for the last time, is that it was NEVER a question whether or not women need to be physically attracted to their partners. Literally no one was making that argument, because it's so obvious. The debate is whether or not women are more attracted to a man with attractive features [as I clarified above] or whether those features are not as important because of a man's other qualities, such as her ability to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 12:31 PM
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Men are stupid because they don't embark on a complex journey of philosophy and history when they hear women call them pigs for wanting beautiful women? I'm a bit astounded how your argument has become framed in such a manner, and how you don't see how incredibly weak and silly it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 12:24 PM
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But semantics is important in this case, because it's the crux of your argument. Attraction to a person, and attractive features are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 12:22 PM
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I think all women find attractiveness important, it's just that what is attractive varies greatly by woman. You are using the general term of attractiveness, which is more or less useless in these sorts of discussions as it's unquantifiable. I am using the term attractiveness as it refers to certain features most women would find pleasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 12:20 PM
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No, then they are attractive to YOU. It's possible to find a 350 pound hentai-addict neckbeard attractive. That doesn't mean they are attractive individuals to the rest of society. A person being attractive means that most people would recognize they are physically eye pleasing in some way, whether it's their face, body , or overall physical composition. Being attractive means your looks can stand on their own without any other factors present. Being found attractive by a partner, and actually b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 12:12 PM
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You link to a cracked article and use that as evidence of it being a non-feminist idea? You're quite literally proving my point. So.... you're saying men are not bright enough to assess the why? They only react to the present? Intelligence is irrelevant in this discussion. Although I do find it interesting that you jumped towards assuming I was saying men are stupid, out of all the possible ways to interpret and respond to that sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 12:03 PM
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There's a very big difference between finding someone attractive and a person being attractive. The argument you seem to be missing is that men [and feminists] believe physically unattractive men have an easier time being loved by women due to their other traits than compared to unattractive women have being loved by men due to their other traits. Feminists have pounded this idea into people's heads over and over again. The term 'beauty standard' almost exclusively applies to women whenever used…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:58 AM
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My idea is based on keen observation. Right. I'm sure it's just coincidence that the concept of television and movies affecting culture is a critical feminist idea then. That's due to the history of men and women. I'm not discussing why that's the case. I'm simply informing you that IS the case, and the demonization of attractiveness by women has an effect on how men perceive what women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:41 AM
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It's beta behavior. People are not categorically split into alpha or beta personalities in the same way people are not split into good or bad characters. There is a mix of both, with high-alphas having primarily alpha traits, and low betas having primarily beta traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:24 AM
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It was not commenting at all on how men and women get treated differently for drooling over looks. You missed the point of the statement. Men underestimate the importance women place on looks BECAUSE men and women get treated differently for how they evaluate looks. If men are always being chastised for focusing too much on beauty, isn't the implication then that women are NOT focusing so much on beauty? How many times have you heard some variation of "men only want so and so for her body?" How …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 11:09 AM
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It's not a good point. It's more baseless feminist nonsense. Objectively, there is more negative feedback from women against men who drool over attractive women than from men against women who drool over attractive men. You can't explain that with a handwave blaming "the media." If women openly valued attractiveness as much as men do the concepts of objectification and beauty standards wouldn't even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 05:56 AM
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I would have to disagree. Things like beauty standards are always referred to as inherently male. TV shows and advertising is irrelevant. Studies have proven people do not change or alter their lives to conform to fictional programming. Your idea follows the typical feminist pattern of thought, which is unscientific and harmful. Make a general observation on media or culture Conclude society is influenced by this media or culture Your idea is based on nothing. I haven't seen any scientific liter…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 05:52 AM
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No. That is just what they would personally want in a relationship. I swear no one on this board actually READS RedPill. It's a preference. And they don't just want any stay at home mom, they want a stay at home mom that equally contributes to the household and does it without complaining or resentment. TRP as a whole is not against women working, and it is not against feminism because it gave women more rights in the workplace. In fact, most RedPillers applaud 1st wave feminists for doing exact…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 12:49 AM
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Not under the law they aren't. And? Divorce laws are legal too, I guess that makes it right. What does being married have to do with getting knocked up and having children with deadbeat dads? That pesky logic, amirite? How do you figure that single mothers getting knocked up are married? Are you illiterate? It literally says this in the title.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:16 PM
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Again with the TRP elites. How many times do we have to go over this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:14 PM
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lol, "That guy."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:08 PM
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As usual, you miss the entire point. Redpillers have no issue with women working. That is not the aspect of feminism they dislike. The comparisons to communism stem from the modern applications of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:05 PM
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Not when it comes to sexual activity. Are you a dunce? They are still treated very differently. Older men marrying/dating 18 year olds are called perverts, pedophiles, etc. Yes it is. You're a dunce. Word? I see, I guess my eyes must have some issues because I could swear that older women have a way lower unmarried pregnancy rate than younger women. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/single-motherhood-increases-census-report_n_3195455.html Those pesky facts, amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 04:34 PM
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Well, usually people mean that as in "you changed in a way I don't like." It's not the act of changing that's a bad thing, obviously. I don't think any woman would be complaining if their husband lost weight, got a six pack, and started screwing her senseless every night.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 04:12 PM
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racism is bad for business How? I'd like to see a metric on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 04:09 PM
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Change the number 17 to 18 and your entire argument falls apart, because then they are treated no differently than 30 or 40 year olds. They are literally treated different in multiple, legal ways. Are you a dunce? Bullshit, that happens all the time It's not even comparable. You're a dunce.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 04:07 PM
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Sorry, but no. You're wrong and are being argumentative for the sake of it. You are fully aware that while you might like low rated movies, the majority of them have qualities you can at least acknowledge are not good. The same applies for high reviews. I hate it when people pretend to live in a fantasy land where most low rated movies are actually good and high rated movies are bad. You know that's bullshit. So why even try making that point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 04:06 PM
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Just because you can do something and get away with it doesn't make it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 05:08 PM
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Do you think because someone said a racial slur over 20 years ago it means they are still a racist? That's stupid. You're stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 05:05 PM
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Can you read? Do you understand context? A 17 year old is much less likely to have experience with sex and relationships than people who are much older than them, so their decision making won't be as good. Do you think 17 year olds would be able to make good decisions when it comes to things like healthcare, long term financial stability, and taxes? Of course not, because they're in high school and have barely experienced the real world. It isn't 30 and 40 year old women most likely getting knoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:23 AM
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There's a chart out there somewhere of how SMV works. Very few guys have "dealbreakers" like voice, body shape, height, hair length, and eye color. It's more about general features of attractiveness like weight, symmetry, etc. So, it's understood that anyone 7 and above isn't going to be a fatass. They also are going to have symmetrical features. The higher in score you go, the more healthy they become with more symmetrical features. It's no different than looking on Imbd and seeing a movie is r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 02:34 AM
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Just because someone is capable of making their own decisions doesn't mean they are capable of making well informed decisions. The younger a woman [or man] is the less experience they have with relationships, and the more likely they are to be subject to manipulation. A 17 year old girl who is also a virgin or sexually inexperienced might lose her head for an older guy who knows how to make her feel good. I've personally known several young women who were willing to throw their lives away for ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 02:27 AM
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Nah. You phrased that question a certain way on purpose and are now trying to renege on what is the obvious intent by resorting to semantics because it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about and it makes you look foolish. BluePill 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 01:13 PM
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I haven't. As long as feminism is a hundred million dollar business I will never consider them anything more than that. Gamergate wasn't that long ago at all, and feminists were the driving opposition. They are also the root cause of America's current racial tension, they take credit for battles they weren't needed for, and they've convinced people that just being a feminist is not so different from just being a good person. Feminists are fine usually. Brainwashed, but fine people. But feminism …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 10:33 AM
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I think modern feminism is trash and anyone who identifies as one is brainwashed by corporations. I think our biology dictates most of our thoughts and actions to culture. This led me to trp. I don't contribute there because most redpillers aren't worth talking to and most bluepillers are brainless. I post here primarily to figure out my own thoughts and construct arguments to opposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:28 AM
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Reviews are still a meaningful way of comparing subjective experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:09 AM
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Guys who are smv 8 would not be on redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:08 AM
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The breakdown is understood. They do compare.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:08 AM
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No.I'm not. You're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:07 AM
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Wtf? Often times it didn't matter if there were other women who were more beautiful, they wanted to date the girl that everyone else had validated as both cool and pretty. And here It's about the desire to be with the hottest girl in the room even if you are already dating a sufficiently hot girl. Do you understand why these two statements are at odds? In the first you're saying it's not about how attractive they are, it's about how cool and pretty other people say they are. Then in the second i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:03 AM
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See, here you have a totally different argument! Being with the hottest of the hottest elevates his ego, pride, because it's social validation. What the actual fuck?? Yes, you are 100% correct here. Do you not realize this is contrary to your original statement? Jesus Christ, this is why I can't stand debating people like you. You will argue a point just because I disagreed, then turn around and say something totally different in the SAME thread. So when you were talking with me it's about socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 03:56 AM
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No, I'm saying the reasons you think he is seeking them out are wrong. You are saying that it has to do with her perceived "status." My point, is that the reason she has that status in the first place is because she is hot [usually very openly] and extroverted. She is a very hot girl who has put herself front and center on full display. THIS is why men want her. Because they can all SEE her. This was my whole point in my reply to you. [That you ignored]. You are doing something most feminists do…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 03:51 AM
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You're saying it's irrelevant to rate preference on a numerical scale. So I suppose we can say goodbye to movie reviews, restaurant reviews, and so on. A numerical opinion scale is the best way to represent attractiveness to others in the same way the stars in a restaurant review is the best way to represent the quality of the food. But, like with all things, it only works well when the person is attempting to be as objective as possible. The issue is that on RP, many people exaggerate their own…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 03:43 AM
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Most feminists believe in patriarch theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 03:29 AM
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Nothing in this thread indicated OP was fearing for her safety in this encounter. Don't make things up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 03:00 AM
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Wanting to be with someone? What is it you think that entails, playing hopscotch?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:05 AM
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Believing in Patriarchy theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:02 AM
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Often times it didn't matter if there were other women who were more beautiful, they wanted to date the girl that everyone else had validated as both cool and pretty. The hierarchy of high school you keep banging on about is social status. They want the popular chick because her high status "cute and popular" validates him as perhaps "cute and popular." And every little boy wants to be the cool kid. Here you literally say status in the argument. Can't keep your story straight?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:58 AM
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It does. You said men lust after certain women because of their status, not because they are attractive. I said they lust after these women because these women are simply more visible and extroverted, as well as being attractive. A man would still prefer a less well known, hotter woman than a popular girl any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:47 AM
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Fatties, two bit prostitutes, and Hilary Clinton. I've got the libido of a 15 year old and I've got no shame about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 06:52 PM
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Why does he care about her being the center of attention? Why not court the equally pretty girl who isn't the center of attention? I addressed that exact point. Did you read the comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 06:51 PM
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But starting from Kindergarten, boys seemed to only want to date the popular girl. Because the popular girl is usually very attractive and she is at the center of attention. Often times it didn't matter if there were other women who were more beautiful, they wanted to date the girl that everyone else had validated as both cool and pretty. They wanted to date the popular girl because these women are usually good looking and at the center of attention. It's like going shopping for a new toy, and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 04:11 PM
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Type in cuckold on google. Tell me what definition comes up most frequently. Tada.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 01:50 PM
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To deny that BP commonly and constantly mischaracterizes TRP is not an accurate statement, and it directly leads to people like OP making the sort of comments that they did. There is a difference between having an unpopular opinion and being factually incorrect. TRP is most often of the former, BP is most often the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 01:40 PM
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Why would I be talking about the last 500 years? Clearly I'm talking about right now. Whether or not you can find outdated terms is irrelevant. Common usage does matter It matters when you are discussing which aspect of the term is more commonly understood.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 12:31 AM
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There is a very distinct different between what a word means in the dictionary and how it is commonly understood. Most people understand "cuckold" to mean a sexually submissive man, and you can verify this by typing the word into any search engine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:29 PM
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I wasn't aware the language used in the Canterbury Tales was the linguistic standard of 2015.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:16 PM
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I think we can all agree it isn't the most commonly understood definition of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 02:30 PM
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IMO the cuck insult is a good example of toxic masculinity. It implies that the man is consenting to his wife cheating on him, and that it is his fault he is not controlling his wife. I think that comes down to the differences in how men and women cheat. Most male cheating is only physical impulse. It's seeing someone hot and attractive and wanting sex with them based on no other qualifications. A woman can be a super wife, faithful, loving, kind, and provide great sex, and it's still possible f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 02:27 PM
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Of course you can't guarantee someone will act a certain way, but there are actions you can take to minimize or maximize the likelihood that action will occur. If you want to make friends with someone what should you do? Be nice to them, ask about their interests, be supportive, make interesting conversation, don't be a pest...right? Conversely there are things you can do that might cause someone to dislike you. Treat them poorly, make jokes at their expense, insult them, talk about them behind …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 01:56 PM
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That's not really how it works though, is it? People frame their understanding of others based on what they want themselves. Men are constantly horny, so they think women who can get sex whenever they want are always out having sex. Women place less value on sex so they feel men should do the same. Have you ever thought about why men send pictures of their dick so often? That seems stupid right? Who would want that? Well...they would. Not dicks, but most men would LOVE it if a woman opened up a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:44 AM
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The second option. He probably didn't even know who Holm was prior to this fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:30 AM
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The first post you linked has two upvotes and the poster has no flair. The second post you listed was sitting at -8. I see this a lot from people who contend with RedPill ideas. Which I mean is to take some random posts by some random people that have gotten no support and pass it off as common RedPill ideology. I don't understand it. But more to your point. The term "cuckolding" used on RP isn't being used literally. They are not referring to actual cuckold relationships where the man arranges …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:29 AM
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Since you are a MRA, I would expect you to know that. You keep saying this? I'm genuinely confused as to why. Judging by the votes (around 50/50%) women suffrage seems to be a very controversial topic in TRP which I think is absolutely hilarious. I said, and I will repeat this once more, because I genuinely think you have some kind of disorder: Being against women's voting is not RedPill literature. There are other threads where the creators got 0 upvotes. These threads aren't even that common i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:24 PM
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Well, because he's an asshole. Everyone wants to see him get beat, but they don't necessarily want any specific fighter to beat him. Same with Ronda. Holly Holm is more or less irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. She'll probably get a decent boost in popularity, but the real story here is "Ronda Rousey loses" not "Holly Holm wins." And when the rematch inevitably comes around at UFC 200, all eyes will be on Ronda a second time. Even if Holly Holm beats the snot out of Ronda and goes on to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 11:56 AM
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Not in combat sports it isn't. Trust me on this one. It's quite literally my job.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 10:48 AM
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''> A modest underdog proves more popular than a trash talking defending champion; what a shock. Actually, that's completely false in every conceivable way. The modest underdog is almost NEVER more popular than a trash talking defending champion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 08:26 AM
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Companionship exists without marriage. It's called being friends. The only aspect of friendship that would change in a non sexual marriage are the legal benefits both parties receive. It's illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 08:23 AM
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Just saying something in a thread does not mean it is TRP literature. What is so difficult to understand about this? If a famous preacher says: "Jesus hated black people" does that mean it's now a part of the Bible because he said it? If Gloria Steinheim says "All men deserve to die" does that then become a crucial aspect of Feminism? Answer this question. The majority what you linked wasn't even supported within the context of the post. Do you have some kind of learning disorder?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:03 AM
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On the side-bar there is the literature of TRP, as in the tenants of what RedPill actually is. This is much different from a random opinion. Anyone can hold a belief, but to say TRP enforces that belief is silly when there is nothing of the sort mentioned in any of the required reading material. It would be just as stupid to quote some radical feminists comment on a subreddit about killing male children, and then using that as evidence of what feminism believes. It's moronic. Please stop shit-po…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:44 AM
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Do you understand the difference between literature and opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:04 AM
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Hmm, I don't seem to see any RP literature in that post, just a bunch of RedPillers with vastly different ideas. Good job failing to grasp the concept yet again!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 01:59 AM
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That's irrelevant to the statement "Pretty much all TRPers think this way." You are wrong. The end.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 11:00 AM
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Please find me the RedPill literature that says women shouldn't vote. Oh wait, you can't. Because it doesn't exist. TRP, like anything else is interpretation. You can read the Bible and have a million different interpretations on how to live your life. There is NOTHING in TRP that you must believe or have a requirement to believe. People are free to draw their own conclusions from it, and they are free to disagree with the conclusions of others. You are too thick-headed to understand that, even …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 10:54 AM
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Pretty much all of TRPillers think this This is what you said. Very few people think that women shouldn't vote Here is what I said. I would say the fact these posts are all downvoted to oblivion supports my statement more than yours, wouldn't you say? Pretty much all of the Vanguards think that women shouldn't vote. So now the vanugards are "Pretty much all TRPillers?" Nice try.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 10:42 AM
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Prove it. Edit: Because here are some threads that say otherwise. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1dok0q/womens_suffrage_is_the_worst_thing_to_happen_to/? https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1klifn/divorce_rates_just_1_reason_why_women_should_have/? https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3mbjib/women_are_solopsistic_men_are_cooperational_women/? Each of these threads has a 50% upvote rate or less, with the highest voted comments, and the majority of all comments disag…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 10:28 AM
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You, like feminists, are focusing on the "swimming in pussy" aspect as the common denominator here, when really the more important bit is "Join us, follow our values and soon I promise you'll be ____" Religion, feminism, politics, terrorism, RP, Social justice, whatever. It's all the same, regardless of whether or not lusting after women is the core principle, what separates the harmful ideologies from the non-harmful ones is what the message is and how people act upon it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 09:47 AM
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The thing to recognize here is that most men who do that aren't aware every other man is doing the same thing. If you are talking to someone on tinder, especially as a male, you are probably not actively thinking "This girl is likely talking to ten other men besides me." It's cognitive dissonance, but it doesn't make it any less true that men simply don't think along that plane. I think there's nothing wrong with making a fake dating profile just to observe what attractive women go through in or…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:06 AM
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How are you supposed to observe something you aren't around to see?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:03 AM
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Very few people think that women shouldn't vote, and creating a fake dating profile harms no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:00 AM
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Of course you're non representative. You're on the internet discussing gender politics and feminism. You have deep convictions about gender roles. The top highest post in this thread is shitting on 50 shades of gray. How on earth do you believe you are the type of person RedPill is interested in? Like that's mind boggling to me and it's something almost all feminists do. Because you personally don't agree with TRP, it invalidates the fact that millions of other women fantasize about men like Chr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 05:01 AM
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lol, so the only reason women don't have sex with fat guys is because they might get smothered and not because they aren't attracted to them? That is some mighty round about thinking my friend. You score more points if you go above that, but in the end that is all you need to reach. Whatever you need to tell yourself in order to keep avoiding that gym buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 04:19 AM
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Yup. That's what I said. That women weren't harassed. Are you trolling me at this point or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 07:28 PM
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Yeah, let me know when all those responsible, trustworthy, short, fat, nerds get laid with DOMINANCE. Here's the point: You look good, more women take notice. Women look good, more men take notice. This isn't exactly some kind of rocket science here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 07:26 PM
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TRP theory clearly works on the type of women who aren't going to get on the internet to spend hours discussing gender politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 07:13 PM
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TRP is one way to do it, if you work out and maintain yourself you will have the tools to put to use when the time comes and you "get it". Dominance that is. The point of working out is to be seen as attractive to these women in the first place. Dominance is something you do once you are already in the relationship. You are inadvertently preaching RedPill theory here and it's pretty amusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 07:08 PM
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Haha this thread is hilarious. It must be a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 06:57 PM
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It's certainly my place to say it isn't harassment when it isn't. You don't get to make up definitions for words because it suits you. Stop constructing false arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 06:32 PM
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Comparison, analogy, doesn't make one bit of difference in this case. Yes it does. You don't understand what an analogy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 06:31 PM
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Why are you speaking to me as if I do this, or speak for people that do? Using 'you' in an attempt to paint me in the same light as a cat-caller is immature and silly, and proves you have no logical argument whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 04:40 PM
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Yet another person that doesn't understand the difference between a comparison and an analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 11:12 AM
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Yes. Either make your argument or I'm going to assume you have none.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 04:53 AM
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Female sexual objectification by a male involves a woman being viewed primarily as an object of male sexual desire, rather than as a whole person. Although opinions differ as to which situations are objectionable, some feminists see objectification of women taking place in the sexually oriented depictions of women in advertising and media, women being portrayed as weak or submissive through pornography, images in more mainstream media such as advertising and art, stripping and prostitution, men …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 01:34 AM
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No. That's not how it works. You can't say it's intimidation just because you feel intimidated, that's ridiculous. I'm sure some feel intimidated by their local librarian saying good morning, it isn't harassment. Jesus fucking Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 01:20 AM
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Sure. I don't want anything that makes me uncomfortable to happen either. It still doesn't mean that things that make me uncomfortable are inherently harassment. Qualify your argument instead of generalizing and you will get much more support.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 07:41 PM
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There's a difference in something being shitty and something being harassment. That's the problem people have. You and others are grouping guys yelling "Hey pretty girl" and stalking/groping women in the same category. that's stupid and disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 07:23 PM
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I'm sure you're just trolling me, but... Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture. Rape culture is perpetuated through the use of misogynistic language, the objectification of women's bodies, and the glamorization of sexual violence, thereby creating a society that disregards women's rights and safety. http://www.marshall.edu/wcenter/sexual-assault/rape-culture/ And from the OP:…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 07:17 PM
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Yeah, there's a few. The different IKO's, WKF, WAKKA. IKO1 is Shohei Matsui's sect, right? I'm a huge fan of Lechi Kurbanov and Francisco Filho. I was in Japan when Filho lost the K-1 finals against Mark Hunt. That sounds crazy political. Kyokushin is great, but the politics seem even worse than BJJ. WAKO is really good, I've heard, but I've mainly worked with ISKA. Well good luck with that, kick some ass. BTW there's a really badass Kyokushin manga called Garouden. It's a bit old, but a pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 03:08 PM
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Nice! Are you under ISKA or a different organization? KB + Kyokushin in one gym would be a super rare combination in the US. Sadly even rarer where I live now, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 02:44 PM
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Which martial arts? Usually 'nationals' means TKD or Karate but I don't want to make any assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 02:37 PM
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Whether or not a crime happens does not mean there is a culture of that crime. There is no proof that television shows, sexualized objectification of women, and glorification of sexual violence is any way shape or form related to an increase in sexual abuse. Rape is at it's lowest point in history, and the proliferation of sexual media is at it's highest. You can throw out whatever numbers you want, whatever figures you want, whatever ratios you want, it doesn't change the fact that rape is decr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:45 AM
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I don't know, I think street harassment is an excellent example of disregard for women's right to walk down the street safely. Disregard from who? "Culture?" "Media?" "Men?" Who is sticking up for street harassers and saying what they are doing is a good thing? There is a huge difference between whistling at a woman as she walks by or asking for her number, and following her down the street and touching her body. I have never seen any group of people that would support the latter. Secondly, ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:36 AM
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Pretty much. It's like what they really want is for women to get online and say "Noooo, you guys are such great men, woman-hood as a whole would suffer without you." The men who really go their own way are priests and recluses and shit like that, who literally cut off all connection to women and go live in the woods or in a cave somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 05:57 PM
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She honestly believed that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 04:48 PM
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Integrity of what? Sommers has been preaching the exact same message since the early 90's. The only difference is now she's applying that same rhetoric to youth movements like Gamergate and MRM. Oh, and if you think the majority of feminist leaders and groups don't value cash more than integrity, I've got some bad news for you...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 12:52 PM
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It's a satire post. It isn't meant to paint an accurate picture or to sum up collective arguments. It has no real merit in any form other than as something to have a laugh at, and it paints no broad or accurate picture of anti-feminists I don't see how something like this is even worth discussing in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 08:47 AM
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Guess who's richer, feminists who pander to women or feminists who pander to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 08:29 AM
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Just quote it or something dude. I can't play Where's Waldo in this huge thread looking for your relevant comments. Edit: Ah, nevermind, I see it. I thought it was a post not a separate thread entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:30 PM
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How does supporting some but not all parts of RedPill sevice the female imperative? I would say the people that identify as purple pill can have pretty radically different beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:18 PM
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No. RedPill is always wanting to hark back to the good ole days when "men were men and women were women." They've stated many many times that there wouldn't even be a RedPill if women acted like they did in the 1950's. That is what they want. A 1950's woman is their unicorn, and they valued what that woman did. I've never ever heard the consensus "women from that era were lazy." Judging by how long you've been on this board, I can't help but think you're starting to engineer arguments for the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:13 PM
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I'm sick of seeing Red Pillers saying that in the past women were lazy parasites. This is literally the opposite of the way TRP sees women of the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:47 AM
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I've been kind of resentful lately about how easy women have it in regards to getting sex...am I right to be? Yes, you are right that women can have sex easier, but you are wrong to be resentful about it. Just because women can have sex as much as they want does not mean that is something that drives them. It's simply a difference in motivation. Men want to have sex purely for the physical release. And we want to have sex with hot women because that makes the physical release more enjoyable. As …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 12:05 PM
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I'm crazy because I repeat things that have been repeated over and over again by feminist media? I know you're probably a troll post, but here we go. Having racial preferences means you are racist: http://www.rolereboot.org/sex-and-relationships/details/2013-11-if-you-wont-date-people-of-a-certain-race-youre-raci Not attracted to certain races? You're a racist: http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/11/racial-preferences-are-racist/ Porn is rape http://www.womanist-musings.com/2009/10/sorry-men-and-fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 10:47 AM
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I literally listed around 10 sources in another comment chain that tried the same "It's a strawman" argument. I can show you an enormous range these articles come from, from BBC to Gawker to Feminist websites like XO-Jane to Reutgers to facebook posts to tumblr. See what you did just then, making something up about my point without taking the time to do a shred of research beyond your own misguided worldview? THAT, is a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 10:07 AM
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To be fair, I grabbed articles I had already saved in my bookmarks. The Kareem article may not have been the best example, but I did very clearly post more than one. I would say the articles saying sports are the last bastion of white males, and sports are sexist are very clearly attributing a certain culture as being toxic. The porn article you linked also seems to have the exact opposite conclusion you're drawing. I linked about six. You ignored the feminist group titled: Porn is toxic. My poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 06:06 AM
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he's the main mod and the God of MRP. Mods are THE outliers. They are the guys who have become so obsessed by TRP that their lives revolve around it. 99% of people who use or read RedPill will never, ever reach that level of crazy. His position does not entitle his beliefs to anymore validity. Mods also believe women shouldn't vote. Not a commonly help RP idea. Then you are solipsistic. I’m not just mad at the mod who wrote the abovementioned comment. Being mad at a username is stupid; being ang…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 06:01 AM
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Yes, I think that is my primary critique. TRP is a lot like Communism. A great idea, but when put into the hands of people who might be trying to help but ultimately are not good leaders, it can become something grotesque and twisted. I do believe TRP has a lot of information wrong, or more commonly that it's simply incomplete theory. But I wouldn't necessarily say that much of it is harmful to men across the board, except maybe demonizing LTR's which I feel most people are naturally drawn to so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 04:42 AM
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Regardless, it doesn't change what the result is. It's putting the blame for someone's sexual problems on someone else, which inherently causes anger, us vs. them mentality, and reductionism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 04:40 AM
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Yes. But I wouldn't say that makes men any less mad at Feminism, or blames Feminism any less for their current predicament.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 04:39 AM
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Doxxing is taking information, public or private, and broadcasting it through various personal channels. You can absolutely doxx someone who has their personal information online already. And he actually raised a bunch of money due to the backlash. Source? I haven't read anything like that. Yes, it was an overreaction. But that's the age we live in now. I stuck up for Palmer on the worldnews sub when the story broke and was downvoted to oblivion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:48 PM
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Toxic masculinity is the idea that certain aspects of being a man are inherently harmful to themselves or women. That can include how men speak, the media they like to consume, how they perceive others, or how they act. If something is toxic, and it is seen as a large part of masculine culture such as sports or pornography, it stands to reason that these things are an aspect of toxic masculinity. Is your point that sports and porn are not part of masculine culture? Do you believe that masculinit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:42 PM
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Sure. Walter Palmer, the guy who killed Cecil the Lion. Got doxxed, business had to be shut down, had to move out of the state, and he wasn't even extradited. Even the first lady of Zimbabwe said he did nothing wrong. Coincidentally he was an older white man. Was there any recompense? Nope! Fuck that guy! He's old and white so let's destroy his life. The internet is littered with "White Privilege" articles.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:31 PM
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Well that would make sense, considering I didn't say toxic masculinity was discussed as a concept in any of them. I said they were attributed as being toxic. I would suggest going back and reading my post again, and instead of rushing to reply actually think about the content and how it relates to the text. This is the third time you've come to me with completely unrelated "Gotcha" responses that have utterly failed to address anything of significance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:27 PM
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Yeah, see the difference is if a feminist gets doxxed society collectively comes to their aid, gives them money, and interviews them about the evils of the internet. Anybody else gets doxxed, particularly old white people, and they're told to go fuck off somewhere. Not exactly the same scenario homeslice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:16 PM
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Well you didn't pick one, so I'll go with sports and porn since I can get to them easily. Sports are sexist and misogynistic: http://time.com/2853780/kareem-abdul-jabbar-we-need-to-stamp-out-misogyny-in-sports/ NFL is the last bastion of white male conservatives http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/30/nfl-last-sports-bastion-of-white-male-conservatives/ Are sports sexist? http://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/29242699 Are men and women treated equally in America? http://stfumras.tumblr.com/post…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:14 PM
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Are you trolling me or is that a serious answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:36 PM
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No. Anyone who spends their time getting angry and focusing on negative things they can't change is wasting their life for some outrage porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:34 PM
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There's an echo in here. Please, enlighten me which part is a strawman. I know I said I was going, but I'd really, really love to help educate you about feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:28 PM
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This entire thread is an "I'm making shit up off the top of my head" extravaganza.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:25 PM
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You're so busy defending your fragile ego that you still haven't even grasped the basic point in the OP. No, I grasp it. I think they are wrong. I think it IS a direct attack on masculinity, and by extension an attack on men. I don't think the fact femininity comes up is proof that it isn't. Here is my post from elsewhere in this thread, because I'm tired of having the same argument again and again. Feminism attacks all aspects of masculinity. It decides on it's own what is toxic and what isn't.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:07 PM
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You literally missed the entire crux of my last post just, so I'm going to go ahead and bow out of this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:28 PM
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Ok. How about this: If you get on TV and call any old white man a racist or a homophobe or a bigot, regardless of proof, chances are probably nothing will happen to you. You like the value system that rewards that? You feel that's Ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:07 PM
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I wasn't speaking specifically to his situation, but these situations as a whole. It's not uncommon for someone to get fired or doxxed for having unpopular opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:07 PM
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The entire point of OP's comment is that feminism does not target masculinity unfairly. Their evidence for this was that it also targeted femininity. My point, yet again, is that this still comes back to being MEN'S fault. Trying to somehow separate femininity and masculinity is pointless when men are still the ones blamed in the end. Also my "all or nothing" comment was about culture in general. Gender norms are one aspect of culture You know just as well as I do that Feminism blames toxic masc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:03 PM
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Sure, but it only means "without consequences" for some people. If you get on TV and call any old white man a racist or a homophobe or a bigot, regardless of proof, chances are probably nothing will happen to you. If you get on TV and say you don't believe breastfeeding is natural, you lose your job, are publicly disgraced, and probably doxxed by the internet. I wish people would just stop for a moment and look at that situation and realize maybe our values have shifted in the wrong direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 04:13 PM
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It doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition. It does if toxic masculinity isn't real. You didn't actually counter anything in the OP and your objection is stupid. Yes I did. My objection to what? Making up another argument, are we?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:56 PM
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Yup, and all that culture is Patriarchy and toxic masculinity, am I right? Are you keeping track of the context of the discussion here, or are you more interested in having your own little arguments just to win them? Judging by your other response to me, I'm going to guess it's the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:36 PM
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They were specifically talking about rape. just the vast majority are by men and that culture can explain part of this. No it can't. You think it can, but you have no proof. You guys are like religious nuts saying everything we don't know about the universe can be explained by Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:05 PM
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Your comment implies patriarchy is a myth. Which is completely irrelevant. I should ask how your comment is relevant to the OP, though, hypocrite. OP said that feminism does not attack masculinity any more than femininity. I responded that when feminism attacked femininity, it was really attacking the patriarchal structures which created the idea of femininity. And because men are inherently linked to this patriarchy, it is the same as an attack on masculinity/men. Why you think I care about arg…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:02 PM
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the larger and stronger thing doesn't change the amount of date rape which uses drugs to incapacitate or basically springing up on a girl unawares and incapacitating her Dude, use your brain for like, half a second. Do you honestly believe a woman in her right mind is going to get a gun or a knife and go around threatening large men to fuck her? What is she going to do with the gun while they're having sex? Do you see ludicrous that is? Do you know who it is easier for women to rape than men? Ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:57 PM
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How is anything you said relevant to the topic I was addressing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:37 PM
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No, I didn't. Both women and men who are abused are more likely to become criminals, more likely to end up in abusive relationships, and more likely to abuse children. That is so obvious I didn't feel the need to address it, but apparently some people believe traumatized and emotional imbalanced women are model citizens. Men are more likely to RAPE because they have a significant advantage in size and strength. They are more capable of rape than women, hence these psychologically unbalanced men …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:36 PM
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I guess toxic masculinity is also at fault for making men more athletic, larger, and stronger than women as well. I wasn't aware that's how culture worked. Do you think it's good that men are so afraid of being seen unmasculine that they would rather blow their own brains out than show weakness? That's pretty ironic phrasing, considering that more men are committing suicide than ever before in an era of unabashed feminism. I guess toxic masculinity was pretty fucking awesome since "blowing your …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:07 PM
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Which part? Name any point I mentioned and I'll find an article written by a feminist attacking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:31 PM
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Surprisingly, I'm not actually mad at anyone. I think Feminism is a corrupt business, Bluepillers confuse me and I think they lead a rather pointless existence, RedPillers hearts are in the right place but they're often misguided trying to act as a counter to Feminism...but I'm not mad. I have no personal stake in all this in slightest bit. It wouldn't upset me if RedPill, BluePill, or PPD vanished from the face of the Earth tomorrow. I post here because I like debating. So you can throw a few m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:27 PM
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I don't think there's a such thing as toxic masculinity or femininity. I think it's all bullshit made up to sell books and has little to no impact on our society. What feminists do is look at a problem and go: "Wow, rape! Most rapists are men, therefore that's toxic masculinity!" Really? That's where you're going to stop? Only men do it therefore it's masculinity's fault? You don't think there's probably something just a tad bit deeper to the underlying problems of society than "masculinity?" Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:15 PM
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But it also says the only reason men thought "beta" was a valid strategy in the first place was because feminism lied to society. The entire beginning of the introduction to TRP is putting blame on Feminism for beta men being unable to sleep with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:04 PM
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It caters to a group of men who are disenfranchised, alone, and oftentimes emotionally brittle [Lonely victim]. It tells these men that very little was their fault, and their lack of success/happiness was caused by feminism/feminized society not giving them an honest strategy to succeed [demonization of feminism/ "Your suffering is by design."] They then open a "bro" community where guys can be "themselves," as if it's inherently male to talk like they are unintelligent. Differing opinions aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:53 AM
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"roll her onto her back and force it in" I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, but every community has nasty outliers. There are atheists who say shit like "The world would be a better place if all religious people just died." Are you going to get online and make a forum for every nasty comment on the internet? You're going to have a rough life. And you can hardly disagree with that last sentence. I don't disagree. I just think it's a waste of time to get online and write furiously …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:31 AM
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Feminism attacks all aspects of masculinity. It decides on it's own what is toxic and what isn't. Sports are toxic. Videogames are toxic. Wanting to have sex with women all the time is toxic. Finding women who wear barely any clothing sexually attractive is toxic. Wanting to be the primary breadwinner is toxic. Wanting a stay-at-home wife is toxic. Not showing weakness is toxic. Being stoic is toxic. Being sexually forward is toxic. Loving to have sex with sluts is toxic. Not wanting to have sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:21 AM
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Every single point in your post still faults the Patriarchy. Submissive women? Patriarchy's fault. Non-competitive women? Patriarchy again. Women are sluts? What could be to blame...oh wait, Patriarchy. However, when we see feminists point out that there are some negative aspects of masculinity, it is seen as a direct attack on men. Because it always men's fault. Men are responsible for all the world's problems. Men uphold the imaginary Patriarchy even when they don't know it exists. Men are sil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:13 AM
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There are many, many men who approach a particular woman over the course of their lives. Because of this they have to be selective, or else some women would be sleeping with hundreds upon hundreds of decent looking men with average social skills. Even if there is initial attraction, a man still has to prove himself to be more sex-worthy than decent looking guy number 2,3,4 and 5 who are also in the bar and making eyes at this woman. "Not fucking up" is just the bare minimum to even be considered…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:59 AM
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It fosters laughter within the group and, I've noticed, specifically protects each BPer from falling too far into believing that Red Pill's more offensive beliefs are disproportionately embraced by society. You make it sound like they are abuse victims. TBP has become the equivalent of TumblrInAction: Just a group of angry, bitter people getting high on outrage together and blowing things out of proportion under the guise of "let's have a laugh." I'll never understand communities that revolve ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 02:22 PM
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RedPill is sexual strategy. That is the entire point of the sub. If men were not looking for sexual strategy, they would not come to RedPill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 07:30 PM
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Young RPers are often blamed for the behaviors exhibited by the entire community A community is not the same as the ideology itself. TRP doesn't state all LTR's are doomed to fail by seem to take the position that anyone not following RP tenants into a relationship will fail. TRP is not a hard science and has never claimed to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 07:16 PM
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This is not really true. RP can improve basically any relationship. In theory, yes. But no one who is getting laid frequently or in frequent happy relationships is going to be doing internet searches that lead them to RedPill in the first place. It's pretty clear who the target audience is. But just because it can help you doesn't mean we're trying to convince you to use it. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 06:13 PM
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It's the same way a lot of new atheists and atheist+ members act after coming to their big revelation. The same happens in Feminism. If you strongly believe your way of doing things is right and there is no other subjective truth, you are going to be more likely to respond negatively to those who oppose you. TRP has never stated that all LTR's are doomed to fail and all women will cheat. Only that all women [and all men] have certain predispositions that will make them more likely to cheat in ce…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 05:03 PM
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You're deliberately choosing only to acknowledge the comments that fit your bias. The most upvoted comments on this post more or less said there is no reason for you to change. Those comments in the middle didn't add much to the discussion, but commented that long distance LTR's very rarely work out in the end, which is a factual statement [though it doesn't say much on TRP as a whole]. What you're doing is looking for an excuse to justify your belief that TRP is insecure and immature, instead o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 04:47 PM
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Each case is different and varies, but sports stars and male celebrities in particular are one of the largest targets for false sexual abuse charges. The narrative of big, famous, rich, hulking men taking advantage of weak, timid little girls is one case prosecutors drool over, especially if the man is an outspoken minority. I grew up during the heyday of Mike Tyson. He had so many false sexual assault claims filed against him it would boggle your mind. He settled out of court hundreds of times,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 04:12 PM
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Why is it cringey? He's absolutely correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 12:11 PM
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Are there any people here who suspect that cultural warfare is just something we do to pass the time, and our lives are really influenced by technology and capitalism, with culture as just a distraction and stupidity? Both TRP and Feminism are perfect examples of a failure to properly understand correlation equals causation. Feminism is most guilty of this in my opinion, but that can be explained by looking at it as a business instead of an ideology. Since the late 60's when the National Organiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 10:55 AM
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It is so difficult for me to understand why BP cannot grasp this ridiculously simple concept. These threads are repeated over and over again and will probably never stop. 'Convince me of this!" "Well my relationship is fine!" "I'm married and I don't need to do that!" RedPill is for people who are UNABLE to have frequent happy relationships or get laid with any consistency. It's for the guys who are more or less losers and want to turn their lives around. If you are with an SO you like and are h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 07:10 AM
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